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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tiger101 on September 24, 2009, 03:00:43 PM
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hey im new here been following the forum for a little while just signed up though and was wondering in peoples opinion on how well we will go next year. will we finish higher on the ladder then the dee's?
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Hi and welcome tiger101. Yes, we will finish higher than the Dees. We will actually finish higher than a lot of people expect - we aren't as bad (ability-wise) as our finishing position this year suggests.
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Gawd I hope so :thumbsup
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We'll finish higher next year but given the talented youth the Dee's are bring onto their list, I doubt we will be as successful as them in the long run. :'(
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disagree with all of the above, no chance we will finish higher than the dee's.
happy to be proven wrong of course, but they will finish in that 9th-13th range. i cant see us finishing out side the bottom three.
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disagree with all of the above, no chance we will finish higher than the dee's.
happy to be proven wrong of course, but they will finish in that 9th-13th range. i cant see us finishing out side the bottom three.
Prepare to be made happy then CV. :)
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disagree with all of the above, no chance we will finish higher than the dee's.
happy to be proven wrong of course, but they will finish in that 9th-13th range. i cant see us finishing out side the bottom three.
Demons are a joke of a club. They don't try, the coach is unproven, their best player left the club disillusioned, they have no money and no facilities.
When their highest profile "living legend" Gary Lyon wills them to lose you just know that the problems at the Demons run even deeper than those at the tigers.
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I see both us and the Dees finishing around the same mark in the bottom 3. It won't surprise me if we are favourites for the spoon with the bookies. A step back clearing out a number of mature (but not up to it) players before going forward with youth.
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I think we'll finish higher than the Demons next year, especially now their best midfielder is about to get traded
May depend on injuries though
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A midfield of Scully, Trengove, Morton, Sylvia, Jones, Grimes, Petterd, Valenti along with perhaps Moloney, Bartram and Cheney will be what the Dees will be counting on to build their side around. Davey is their current best player and midfielder. McLean was played in a forward pocket when they were in full tanking mode which is what ticked him off.
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Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured
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yes.
:)
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Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured
The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.
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Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured
The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.
Maybe a chance then for Thomson to reward the club for trading for him and stick him at the bottom of the packs to feed the ball out to our better ball uses. I get the impression though from Hardwick that every player, including our young midfielders, will be expected to win their own ball next year.
Stripes
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We'll finish higher next year but given the talented youth the Dee's are bring onto their list, I doubt we will be as successful as them in the long run. :'(
After there debt demolition fails, we'll absorb them.
Stick a little demon logo on the back of our jumpers to appease their small number of supporters.
Watts, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Scully, Deledio, Trengove, Grimes, Vickery, Collins would be hard to stop. :rollin
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Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured
you think so??
try telling that to Daniel Rich and the Lions this year.
he made a difference that kid as im sure one of those 2 mids will, make no mistake about that
Jack Grimes is a star and a future leader of the club. He wins his own ball and proved that week after week after week this year. You forget about him did you?
They are coming along beautifully and a finish somewhere between 10-14 is where the Dees should finish in 2010.
They are the Hawks, Buldogs of a few years back. All they need is a Key Forward and they are a show for finals post next year
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I think that we will, and I am thinking that we will be around the 9 to 12 mark next year.
While the Demons will be in the 16 to 14 area.
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So obvious that the threadstarter is an excited little Dees fan.
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So obvious that the threadstarter is an excited little Dees fan.
nah im just asking seeing how they finished below us probly this year due to probly tanking a few games.
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I think it all depends on injuries.
If Richardson and Cousins can play a significant part of 2010 we might win enough games to finish above Melbourne :clapping
Problem is they are ageing champions and may only be only a short term "band aid" solution.
Melbourne on the other hand appears to have gone down the "short term pain for long term gain" path and they might go roaring past us in 2011 .
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Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured
The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.
Taggers are still inside mids, especially Jackson with his bigger body. Jackson, Foley, Thomson & Hislop are all our inside mids, or will be played there to find out if theyre going to make it or not. Lids can play ruck rover and is winning more and more football all the time. Cotchin has been playing a s a centreman too.
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Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured
you think so??
try telling that to Daniel Rich and the Lions this year.
he made a difference that kid as im sure one of those 2 mids will, make no mistake about that
Jack Grimes is a star and a future leader of the club. He wins his own ball and proved that week after week after week this year. You forget about him did you?
They are coming along beautifully and a finish somewhere between 10-14 is where the Dees should finish in 2010.
They are the Hawks, Buldogs of a few years back. All they need is a Key Forward and they are a show for finals post next year
Rich is the exception, not the rule.
Grimes will be a gun, but was playing half back flank last year, will be played more in the middle next year but hardly a full timer.
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Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured
The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.
Taggers are still inside mids, especially Jackson with his bigger body. Jackson, Foley, Thomson & Hislop are all our inside mids, or will be played there to find out if theyre going to make it or not. Lids can play ruck rover and is winning more and more football all the time. Cotchin has been playing a s a centreman too.
Fair enough Infamy about the bigger body with Jacko but Hislop plays more HF and Thomson isn't AFL standard and should never have been traded for in the first place. Cotch can play play inside (win the clearance) and outside (breakaway from stoppage) but we don't want to wreck his body by the time he's 23-24 y.o. if he has little help inside winning the ball.
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I don't think so. Melbourne started their rebuild fully in 2007 and with four picks in the first 18 they will only add to that.
Next year Melbourne will be 8-12 and we will be bottom 3.
2011 Melbourne should be pushing for top 8 and we will be attempting to get competitive and finish 10-12 .
Hardwick at least if he can walk the walk and delist our list cloggers and take this rebuild fully rather than trying to cut corners should get the patience from the club and the fans where by 2012 we hopefully will be pushing for top 8 status and our premiership window should be opening.
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Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured
The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.
Taggers are still inside mids, especially Jackson with his bigger body. Jackson, Foley, Thomson & Hislop are all our inside mids, or will be played there to find out if theyre going to make it or not. Lids can play ruck rover and is winning more and more football all the time. Cotchin has been playing a s a centreman too.
Fair enough Infamy about the bigger body with Jacko but Hislop plays more HF and Thomson isn't AFL standard and should never have been traded for in the first place. Cotch can play play inside (win the clearance) and outside (breakaway from stoppage) but we don't want to wreck his body by the time he's 23-24 y.o. if he has little help inside winning the ball.
Hislop has played HF due to us playing Tuck, Cogs, Jackson & Foley (even Thomson at the end of the year) as our inside mids. Next year with Tuck & Cogs gone we will need to give Hislop the opportunity to play in the middle to see if he can play the role. As for Thomson, the guy massively struggled with a sternam injury all year, yet still played some pretty handy football at the end of the year. I won't write him off just yet.
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Melbourne are going down the complete rebuild road, trading away good/star players for early draft picks with the hope they pick up some real superstars that can all learn together. The only real way to do a rebuild. I just hope we do the same. That said we should finish last next year and Melbourne should finish anywhere between 10 to 14. All depends on how quick some of there young star come on.
If we are to compete with the likes of Melbourne in years to come we need to bite the bullet now and trade away the likes of Foley, Tambling and maybe Newman and finish bottom for a couple more years and build our list properly. Short term pain for long term gain. We need Hardwick to come out and say to the supporters we are going to struggle for a couple of years and be strong and not get bullied into trying to win games that will do NOTHING to help the RFC long term.
You can say whatever you like about Melbourne, and they may not be cashed up but what they have done is stick to a plan and will reap the rewards sooner than we will.
Sad but true!
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Scully & Trengove will hardly be the difference in their first year. I'm sure they'll play, but they'll be lucky to play 22 games and if they do it will be at 50-60% game time, even less of that in the starting midfield.
Davey is a gun, but not an inside ball winner, he's a receiver and a beautiful kick, you wouldn't want to waste him at the bottom of packs
Jones is the only genuine inside mid in that bunch, wouldn't want him to get injured
The same could be said of us though next year. If we trade Tucky we'll have Foley as our only genuine inside mid. We wouldn't want Cotch doing all the heavy work at 20 y.o. when he's yet to play a full season while Jacko is more our tagger.
Taggers are still inside mids, especially Jackson with his bigger body. Jackson, Foley, Thomson & Hislop are all our inside mids, or will be played there to find out if theyre going to make it or not. Lids can play ruck rover and is winning more and more football all the time. Cotchin has been playing a s a centreman too.
Fair enough Infamy about the bigger body with Jacko but Hislop plays more HF and Thomson isn't AFL standard and should never have been traded for in the first place. Cotch can play play inside (win the clearance) and outside (breakaway from stoppage) but we don't want to wreck his body by the time he's 23-24 y.o. if he has little help inside winning the ball.
Hislop has played HF due to us playing Tuck, Cogs, Jackson & Foley (even Thomson at the end of the year) as our inside mids. Next year with Tuck & Cogs gone we will need to give Hislop the opportunity to play in the middle to see if he can play the role. As for Thomson, the guy massively struggled with a sternam injury all year, yet still played some pretty handy football at the end of the year. I won't write him off just yet.
I know Thomson was carrying a sternum injury this year but he's a poor kick. He was at Port before we got him. You can't afford to carry players with poor footskills no matter how tough they are in and under.
Hislop was still playing HF when Tucky and Cogs were in the VFL and Foley was out injured. He's got to show first if he has the endurance, speed and skill for a midfield role. He's still only 20 so he'll be given time but he's got a long long way to go before he shows he is up to AFL standard.
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Bailey said today the Demons won't finish last
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85976/default.aspx
They have also started preseason training today after a 6 week break.
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What Bailey said and what Bailey gets are two different thing's.
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In 2010 no teams will tank given that the reward for finishing last is far diminished due to the GC draft concessions. It will be more than it has for many years a true indication of where teams really are at. So given the lack of incentives and the huge negatives that will come with the wooden spoon this year we are bound to finish last. No doubt, no question.
I just hope next years draft is a deep one with pick 4 a ripper!
Stripes
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I know Thomson was carrying a sternum injury this year but he's a poor kick. He was at Port before we got him. You can't afford to carry players with poor footskills no matter how tough they are in and under.
Hislop was still playing HF when Tucky and Cogs were in the VFL and Foley was out injured. He's got to show first if he has the endurance, speed and skill for a midfield role. He's still only 20 so he'll be given time but he's got a long long way to go before he shows he is up to AFL standard.
MT you are saying Thomson is a poor kick but (and I am only going off TV vision here) what I saw of him in the two last games this year his kicking wasn't that bad. Maybe I was just preconditioned not to expect much but he seemed better than Tuck in that his kicks where not up and unders and were more precise.
Only two games so I need to see more but I am just questioning the basis of your poor rating
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Has Melbourne suddenly become the media darling? For a club that's won back to back wooden spoons they are getting plenty of media friendly stories about their list without showing anything on-field to back up their claims.
No doubt they'll improve next year (they can't finish any lower) and will most likely bypass us :-\ but how can any club be certain they'll thrive in the expanded competition especially one that hasn't won a flag in the past 45 years and is financially at the bottom end of the scale.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86275/default.aspx
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I think a lot of it has a lot to do with Jim Stynes.
And I'm not trying to be nasty here either.
It is just what I think is helping generate more interest in that club.
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They're going to have some top talent on their list, but as for a rise up the ladder next year... well it won't be far.
Watts isn't ready yet, and they have no other forwards.
McLean is a big loss for them, his mature body would help out the kids. We'll see some ripper games from Scully and Trengove, but guys like Jones, Bruce, Green and McDonald will need a blinder of a year.
They have terrible rucks.
Their backline though shows promise, but as with ours, if they have no help from the midfield, they'll be swamped.
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I think a lot of it has a lot to do with Jim Stynes.
And I'm not trying to be nasty here either.
It is just what I think is helping generate more interest in that club.
Fair enough too when it comes to Jimmy.
I was moreso meaning the attitude of the media towards their list as though the Dees are just destined to become a strong side. It's as though Melbourne's deliberate tanking in the last 2 months of the season has convinced every journo that Melbourne weren't as pathetic as 15th, 16th and 16th in the 3 past years. I guess having Lyon and Mike as supporters as well as leading commentators also gives the Dees sympathetic voices in the media.
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A comparision of lists although Melbourne are still yet to finalise their delistings. We haven't yet either officially but I've gone with the rumoured delistings.
Melbourne - start of 2010 season
33: McDonald (235)
30: Bruce (203)
29: Green (198 )
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26: Davey (119), Jamar (73), Miller (127), Moloney (90), Warnock (38 )
25: Bell (66), Johnson (61), Rivers (90)
24: Sylvia (87)
23: Martin (27), Meesen (6), Newton (21), Hughes# (-)
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22: Bartram (59), Bate (68 ), Dunn (52), Garland (20), Jones (70)
21: Bail (1), Frawley (40), Jurrah (9), Pettard (29), Wonaeamirri (18 )
20: Cheney (12), Jetta (15), Maric (11), McNamara (3), Morton (40), Healy# (-), Spencer# (6), Zomer# (-)
19: Bennell (16), Blease (-), Grimes (12), Strauss (-), Watts (3), McKenzie# (3)
18: 2009 draftees (Scully, Trengove, ...)
Oldies: 3
Prime: 13
Youth: 24 + 2009 newbies
Rucks (5): Spencer# (203), Meesen (200), Johnson (199), Jamar (198), Martin (198)
Big-Talls (3): Watts (196), Zomer# (196), Miller (194)
Talls (8 ): Frawley (193), Newton (193), Dunn (192), Rivers (192), Warnock (192), Garland (191), Jurrah (191), McNamara (190)
Tall-mids (8 ): Bate (192), Morton (192), Bruce (190), Grimes (187), Bell (186), Sylvia (186), Hughes# (186), McKenzie# (186)
Midsize-mids (9): Pettard (185), Strauss (185), Healy# (185), Blease (184), Cheney (184), Green (184), Bail (183), Moloney (182), Bartram (181)
Small-mids (7): Jetta (180), Jones (180), McDonald (180), Bennell (179), Maric (178), Davey (177), Wonaeamirri (176)
Richmond
35: Richo (282)
31: Cousins (253), Simmonds (190)
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28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: McMahon (148 ), King (41), Moore (65)
25: -
24: Foley (84)
23: Jackson (69), Polo (52), Thomson (30), Thursfield (53), McGuane (54), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas# (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46)
20: Post (7), Rance (15), Farmer (3)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Browne# (1), Gilligan# (-)
18: 2009 draftees (Martin, ...)
Oldies: 3
Prime: 13
Youth: 16 + 2009 newbies
Rucks (4): Browne# (205), Graham (200), Vickery (200), Simmonds (197)
Big Talls (2): Richo (195), Post (194)
Talls (5 ): Rance (192), Riewoldt (192), McGuane (191), Thursfield (191), Moore (189)
Tall-mids (5 ): Deledio (189), Jackson (187), Polo (187)
Midsize-mids (7): Cotchin (185), Hislop (185), Morton (185), Collins (184), Connors (184), Thomson (184), Newman (183)
Small-mids (8 ): Edwards (180), Farmer (180), Tambling (180), White (179), Foley (177), Gilligan (177), Nahas (176), King (174)
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I think a lot of it has a lot to do with Jim Stynes.
And I'm not trying to be nasty here either.
It is just what I think is helping generate more interest in that club.
Fair enough too when it comes to Jimmy.
I was moreso meaning the attitude of the media towards their list as though the Dees are just destined to become a strong side. It's as though Melbourne's deliberate tanking in the last 2 months of the season has convinced every journo that Melbourne weren't as pathetic as 15th, 16th and 16th in the 3 past years. I guess having Lyon and Mike as supporters as well as leading commentators also gives the Dees sympathetic voices in the media.
What is hapenning to Jimmy is tragic as it would be for anybody in any vocation.
He is showing courage and the likeability of Jimmy and what is going through will be newsworthy until he beats this which I hope he does as anyone who is diagnosed with this awful disease. :pray
This will therefore deflect attention way from Melbourne's financial predicament and the fact they have won the last two spoons. I do get the feeling that the Dees will finish above us next year and that our 9th place in 2008 has kept us back a year or two in development compared to the Dees and then supplement that with us remaining on or near the bottom for the next few years with compromised drafts until we hopefully start climbing the ladder.
In hindsight our ninth placed finish in 2008 and those winning culture victories in rd 17 and 18 where we only have 1 pick inside the first round rather than two or three have will see us looking up at the Dees on the ladder rather than looking down on them. At least for the next two year the Dees will have our measure. The question that cannot be answered is whether the Dees kids will take the next step first or will the development of our kids taking the next step occur quicker. Right know the Dees are in front due to their more advanced rebuild alone.
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They're going to have some top talent on their list, but as for a rise up the ladder next year... well it won't be far.
Watts isn't ready yet, and they have no other forwards.
McLean is a big loss for them, his mature body would help out the kids. We'll see some ripper games from Scully and Trengove, but guys like Jones, Bruce, Green and McDonald will need a blinder of a year.
They have terrible rucks.
Their backline though shows promise, but as with ours, if they have no help from the midfield, they'll be swamped.
you summed it up well, their aspirations are based on some high R draft picks that have yet to demonstrate any form at the levl in watts and blease...cleve hughes looked more advanced in Year one than watts did...this draft will be a telling one for both clubs , right now I would have thought we have a few more mature players in the likes of Lids, Foley and Cuz to complement our youth that will give sides a bit to think about
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I can just imagine the papers next year after a Melbourne win compared to a Richmond win.
After a Melbourne win:
Melbourne's young guns look exciting, Melbourne has a bright future, Look out for the Demons in 2011.
After a Richmond win:
The opposition had a down day, the opposition really missed injured star, the opposition kicked themselves out of the game.
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we play them in round 4 at MCG.
hopefully we get a win if we dont could hurt confidence of supports for the 2010 season.
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any new views on the issue now draft is over well the national draft
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The further away from last season we get, the more optimistic i become... I don't really rate their "exciting" players (i.e Jurrah, Sylvia Wonaeamerri) as they go missing for entire quarters/games. The have the worst captain in the comp- dont know how that enters into the equation, i just like to state that as often as possible.
I think my optimism comes from the unknown of what a fully fit Cotchin, Foley & Collins can bring to the side. Couple that with a new game plan and some likely type kids and we may finish higher than expected. I don't care as long as it is hard, team-orientated football!
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i think they will really regret not taking tall forwards this draft (gawn and fitzpatrick are rucks and their remaining 2 rookie spots are appparently promised to newton and meeson so they get the same rubbish back to their club).
apart from watts and jarrah (not enough), they have nothing of substance in the forwardline.
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A comparision of lists although Melbourne are still yet to finalise their delistings. We haven't yet either officially but I've gone with the rumoured delistings.
Melbourne - start of 2010 season
33: McDonald (235)
30: Bruce (203)
29: Green (198 )
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26: Davey (119), Jamar (73), Miller (127), Moloney (90), Warnock (38 )
25: Bell (66), Johnson (61), Rivers (90)
24: Sylvia (87)
23: Martin (27), Meesen (6), Newton (21), Hughes# (-)
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22: Bartram (59), Bate (68 ), Dunn (52), Garland (20), Jones (70)
21: Bail (1), Frawley (40), Jurrah (9), Pettard (29), Wonaeamirri (18 )
20: Cheney (12), Jetta (15), Maric (11), McNamara (3), Morton (40), Healy# (-), Spencer# (6), Zomer# (-)
19: Bennell (16), Blease (-), Grimes (12), Strauss (-), Watts (3), McKenzie# (3)
18: 2009 draftees (Scully, Trengove, ...)
Oldies: 3
Prime: 13
Youth: 24 + 2009 newbies
Rucks (5): Spencer# (203), Meesen (200), Johnson (199), Jamar (198), Martin (198)
Big-Talls (3): Watts (196), Zomer# (196), Miller (194)
Talls (8 ): Frawley (193), Newton (193), Dunn (192), Rivers (192), Warnock (192), Garland (191), Jurrah (191), McNamara (190)
Tall-mids (8 ): Bate (192), Morton (192), Bruce (190), Grimes (187), Bell (186), Sylvia (186), Hughes# (186), McKenzie# (186)
Midsize-mids (9): Pettard (185), Strauss (185), Healy# (185), Blease (184), Cheney (184), Green (184), Bail (183), Moloney (182), Bartram (181)
Small-mids (7): Jetta (180), Jones (180), McDonald (180), Bennell (179), Maric (178), Davey (177), Wonaeamirri (176)
Richmond
35: Richo (282)
31: Cousins (253), Simmonds (190)
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28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: McMahon (148 ), King (41), Moore (65)
25: -
24: Foley (84)
23: Jackson (69), Polo (52), Thomson (30), Thursfield (53), McGuane (54), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas# (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46)
20: Post (7), Rance (15), Farmer (3)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Browne# (1), Gilligan# (-)
18: 2009 draftees (Martin, ...)
Oldies: 3
Prime: 13
Youth: 16 + 2009 newbies
Rucks (4): Browne# (205), Graham (200), Vickery (200), Simmonds (197)
Big Talls (2): Richo (195), Post (194)
Talls (5 ): Rance (192), Riewoldt (192), McGuane (191), Thursfield (191), Moore (189)
Tall-mids (5 ): Deledio (189), Jackson (187), Polo (187)
Midsize-mids (7): Cotchin (185), Hislop (185), Morton (185), Collins (184), Connors (184), Thomson (184), Newman (183)
Small-mids (8 ): Edwards (180), Farmer (180), Tambling (180), White (179), Foley (177), Gilligan (177), Nahas (176), King (174)
If Miller keeps playing CHF we should beat these wankers
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Has Melbourne suddenly become the media darling? For a club that's won back to back wooden spoons they are getting plenty of media friendly stories about their list without showing anything on-field to back up their claims.
They're welcome to the attention MT.
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you can bag them all you like but they had a plan and stuck to it and lucky we got Hardwick or we would been stuffed for another 5 years.
The Dees are so far in front of us at the minute its not funny.
Those meaningless games that they so innocently "Lost" were very smart acts from a very a smart club.
Anyone see Jack Watts in the paper. 1 year in the system and his body is bigger than most of our players...lol
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you can bag them all you like but they had a plan and stuck to it and lucky we got Hardwick or we would been stuffed for another 5 years.
The Dees are so far in front of us at the minute its not funny.
Those meaningless games that they so innocently "Lost" were very smart acts from a very a smart club.
Anyone see Jack Watts in the paper. 1 year in the system and his body is bigger than most of our players...lol
Meh.
I remember not so long ago they lost a first quarter to Geelong with the score something like 60-0.
Good at tanking yes. Not there yet.
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They're welcome to the attention MT.
Volvo is a new sponsor of theirs. I'm not sure why that makes me laugh. Maybe because I can imagine Dee supporters with their thermos, blanket across their knees and barely being able to see over the steering wheel oblivious to what is going around them ;D.
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They're welcome to the attention MT.
Volvo is a new sponsor of theirs. I'm not sure why that makes me laugh. Maybe because I can imagine Dee supporters with their thermos, blanket across their knees and barely being able to see over the steering wheel oblivious to what is going around them ;D.
Don't forget the plaid fedora on the rear parcel shelf :lol
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They're welcome to the attention MT.
Volvo is a new sponsor of theirs. I'm not sure why that makes me laugh. Maybe because I can imagine Dee supporters with their thermos, blanket across their knees and barely being able to see over the steering wheel oblivious to what is going around them ;D.
Don't forget the plaid fedora on the rear parcel shelf :lol
:rollin
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I feel we are better placed mainly because of our first 2 picks whilst Martin adds a lot of class to our mid section and yes the Ds got a couple of fantastic young players, we got Griffiths. As far as forward lines go, we are in a better position. Ben Griffiths is a very important player for us. If he turns out ok, then we should have a better side than Melbourne.
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I feel we are better placed mainly because of our first 2 picks whilst Martin adds a lot of class to our mid section and yes the Ds got a couple of fantastic young players, we got Griffiths. As far as forward lines go, we are in a better position. Ben Griffiths is a very important player for us. If he turns out ok, then we should have a better side than Melbourne.
I wouldn't expect to see griffiths playing for Ricmond in 2010 Ramps. I believe the shoulder surgery he had is a reconstruction which means that he probably wont be playing footy until around may/june.
http://injuryupdate.com.au/injuries/shoulder/shoulder_reconstruction.php
We are going to have to be patient with this kid.
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surely we will improve in 2010..In 2009 we had a coaching staff who appeared to have lost the plot,a whole stack of gun players who were injured for large parts of the season(foley,Richo,cotch,).
Things can only improve ..how much worse than 2009 can things get
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I feel we are better placed mainly because of our first 2 picks whilst Martin adds a lot of class to our mid section and yes the Ds got a couple of fantastic young players, we got Griffiths. As far as forward lines go, we are in a better position. Ben Griffiths is a very important player for us. If he turns out ok, then we should have a better side than Melbourne.
I wouldn't expect to see griffiths playing for Ricmond in 2010 Ramps. I believe the shoulder surgery he had is a reconstruction which means that he probably wont be playing footy until around may/june.
http://injuryupdate.com.au/injuries/shoulder/shoulder_reconstruction.php
We are going to have to be patient with this kid.
It wasn't a full reco in the end, just a clean up
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I feel we are better placed mainly because of our first 2 picks whilst Martin adds a lot of class to our mid section and yes the Ds got a couple of fantastic young players, we got Griffiths. As far as forward lines go, we are in a better position. Ben Griffiths is a very important player for us. If he turns out ok, then we should have a better side than Melbourne.
I wouldn't expect to see griffiths playing for Ricmond in 2010 Ramps. I believe the shoulder surgery he had is a reconstruction which means that he probably wont be playing footy until around may/june.
http://injuryupdate.com.au/injuries/shoulder/shoulder_reconstruction.php
We are going to have to be patient with this kid.
It wasn't a full reco in the end, just a clean up
Yeah, had seen that. It is good news :thumbsup
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yes we will!
15th!
:)
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I think we will finish between 12th and 14th.
And with luck the Pies and Blues below that.
But I think the Blue's won't be there so place in the Dee's.
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I feel we are better placed mainly because of our first 2 picks whilst Martin adds a lot of class to our mid section and yes the Ds got a couple of fantastic young players, we got Griffiths. As far as forward lines go, we are in a better position. Ben Griffiths is a very important player for us. If he turns out ok, then we should have a better side than Melbourne.
I wouldn't expect to see griffiths playing for Ricmond in 2010 Ramps. I believe the shoulder surgery he had is a reconstruction which means that he probably wont be playing footy until around may/june.
http://injuryupdate.com.au/injuries/shoulder/shoulder_reconstruction.php
We are going to have to be patient with this kid.
It wasn't a full reco in the end, just a clean up
Yeah, had seen that. It is good news :thumbsup
Without big noting myself - I know a bit about shoulder problems having had to give up cricket when I was in my mid 20's because of a stuffed shoulder.
I was speaking to young Ben at Club 80. ;D (very impressive kid by the way :thumbsup)
Just to confirm again.
It was definitely only a clean up and the reports from the surgeon after was that his shoulder wasn't as bad as first thought, hence the clean up as opposed to a full reco.
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I feel we are better placed mainly because of our first 2 picks whilst Martin adds a lot of class to our mid section and yes the Ds got a couple of fantastic young players, we got Griffiths. As far as forward lines go, we are in a better position. Ben Griffiths is a very important player for us. If he turns out ok, then we should have a better side than Melbourne.
I wouldn't expect to see griffiths playing for Ricmond in 2010 Ramps. I believe the shoulder surgery he had is a reconstruction which means that he probably wont be playing footy until around may/june.
http://injuryupdate.com.au/injuries/shoulder/shoulder_reconstruction.php
We are going to have to be patient with this kid.
It wasn't a full reco in the end, just a clean up
Yeah, had seen that. It is good news :thumbsup
Without big noting myself - I know a bit about shoulder problems having had to give up cricket when I was in my mid 20's because of a stuffed shoulder.
I was speaking to young Ben at Club 80. ;D (very impressive kid by the way :thumbsup)
Just to confirm again.
It was definitely only a clean up and the reports from the surgeon after was that his shoulder wasn't as bad as first thought, hence the clean up as opposed to a full reco.
Yep WP that's what I heard. Great news :thumbsup
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Dees do not have the midfield yet. Our midfield is superior. Believe should finish on top of them. Disgraceful if don't
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McLean will be a short-term loss of experience but the Dees midfield will be built around Davey, Jones, Sylvia, Morton, Pettard, Grimes, Moloney and yet to debut Scully, Trengove and Blease.
Our midfield will be built around Lids, Cotch, Martin, Foley, Blingers, Jacko, Collo and maybe Connors with a preseason finally under his belt. We still lack quality midfield depth.
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alright now were into season 2010 after just losing to the demons in round 4. what do people think?
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alright now were into season 2010 after just losing to the demons in round 4. what do people think?
nope, we will not finish higher than the dees. but that's perfectly fine for this season. we need to get another high draft pick
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whats the point in getting a high draft pick, we usually bugger the selection up anyway ::)
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alright now were into season 2010 after just losing to the demons in round 4. what do people think?
I think it goes to show we really are in the real rebuilding proccess.
So wins for us will be hard to come by this year.
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Scully is a gun :'(
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Scully is a gun :'(
Another Luke Hodge
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reminds me more of marc murphy / scott west
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Scully is a gun :'(
Another Luke Hodge
Will be at Richmond within 4 years IMHO.
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whats the point in getting a high draft pick, we usually bugger the selection up anyway ::)
so u want to give away the pick do u??
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might as well give it to gold coast
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Scully is a gun :'(
Another Luke Hodge
Will be at Richmond within 4 years IMHO.
hope u're right. hopefully via free agency due to his love for the tiges, not via a trade.
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whats the point in getting a high draft pick, we usually bugger the selection up anyway ::)
so u want to give away the pick do u??
we should be lobbying the commission behind the scenes for a special compensatory pick to add to pick 4 as well as asking to be allowed to sign 2 uncontracted players. 99% chance itll get rejected but theres no harm in asking.
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whats the point in getting a high draft pick, we usually bugger the selection up anyway ::)
so u want to give away the pick do u??
we should be lobbying the commission behind the scenes for a special compensatory pick to add to pick 4 as well as asking to be allowed to sign 2 uncontracted players. 99% chance itll get rejected but theres no harm in asking.
or we should have drafted Higgins or Hurn or Grimes instead of JON McMahon etc.
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whats the point in getting a high draft pick, we usually bugger the selection up anyway ::)
so u want to give away the pick do u??
we should be lobbying the commission behind the scenes for a special compensatory pick to add to pick 4 as well as asking to be allowed to sign 2 uncontracted players. 99% chance itll get rejected but theres no harm in asking.
or we should have drafted Higgins or Hurn or Grimes instead of JON McMahon etc.
thats also correct but whats happened has happened. Benny Gale should be working behind the scenes to get the commission to give us some assistance.
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whats the point in getting a high draft pick, we usually bugger the selection up anyway ::)
so u want to give away the pick do u??
we should be lobbying the commission behind the scenes for a special compensatory pick to add to pick 4 as well as asking to be allowed to sign 2 uncontracted players. 99% chance itll get rejected but theres no harm in asking.
or we should have drafted Higgins or Hurn or Grimes instead of JON McMahon etc.
thats also correct but whats happened has happened. Benny Gale should be working behind the scenes to get the commission to give us some assistance.
Totally agree, we will need compensation at the end of the year, it's just not fair honestly that we should suffer because of the new teams coming in.
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whats the point in getting a high draft pick, we usually bugger the selection up anyway ::)
so u want to give away the pick do u??
we should be lobbying the commission behind the scenes for a special compensatory pick to add to pick 4 as well as asking to be allowed to sign 2 uncontracted players. 99% chance itll get rejected but theres no harm in asking.
or we should have drafted Higgins or Hurn or Grimes instead of JON McMahon etc.
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thats also correct but whats happened has happened. Benny Gale should be working behind the scenes to get the commission to give us some assistance.
Totally agree, we will need compensation at the end of the year, it's just not fair honestly that we should suffer because of the new teams coming in.
we wonte get any compensation from the afl.
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Totally agree, we will need compensation at the end of the year, it's just not fair honestly that we should suffer because of the new teams coming in.
We're not suffering because of the new teams coming in, we're suffering because of our own ineptitude over so many years. Up to us to fix, not the AFL.
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Totally agree, we will need compensation at the end of the year, it's just not fair honestly that we should suffer because of the new teams coming in.
We're not suffering because of the new teams coming in, we're suffering because of our own ineptitude over so many years. Up to us to fix, not the AFL.
Yes we are smokey, but on the other hand the Blues and Dees bottomed out in successive years and they were compensated for it, we will not have that same compensation. Regardless of previous recruiting mistakes we should be compensated the same as the Dees and Blues were. So IMO the AFL do need to fix it, then it is up to us NOT to make the same mistakes as we did in the past.
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Totally agree, we will need compensation at the end of the year, it's just not fair honestly that we should suffer because of the new teams coming in.
We're not suffering because of the new teams coming in, we're suffering because of our own ineptitude over so many years. Up to us to fix, not the AFL.
Yes we are smokey, but on the other hand the Blues and Dees bottomed out in successive years and they were compensated for it, we will not have that same compensation. Regardless of previous recruiting mistakes we should be compensated the same as the Dees and Blues were. So IMO the AFL do need to fix it, then it is up to us NOT to make the same mistakes as we did in the past.
They were compensated because they failed to win 5 games in a season - we did, so not the AFL's fault or problem. Let's fix it ourselves and control our own destiny - if we take the route of complaining and asking for assistance then we have already admitted we aren't up for the battle. And if we aren't up for the battle off the field, then we most certainly aren't up for it on the field.
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Totally agree, we will need compensation at the end of the year, it's just not fair honestly that we should suffer because of the new teams coming in.
We're not suffering because of the new teams coming in, we're suffering because of our own ineptitude over so many years. Up to us to fix, not the AFL.
Yes we are smokey, but on the other hand the Blues and Dees bottomed out in successive years and they were compensated for it, we will not have that same compensation. Regardless of previous recruiting mistakes we should be compensated the same as the Dees and Blues were. So IMO the AFL do need to fix it, then it is up to us NOT to make the same mistakes as we did in the past.
Fair call WAT, however all Clubs have known for 2 years now what has been on offer with these new teams coming in, so I tend to take the view that we got into this mess we have to get ourselves out of it. Further to that all Clubs initially agreed to what the AFL put on the table; so I don't think anyone can expect it to be changed now
And I reckon so far this year Nason has shown; as has Barlow for Freo that the talent is there deep in the draft you just have to find it
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Totally agree, we will need compensation at the end of the year, it's just not fair honestly that we should suffer because of the new teams coming in.
We're not suffering because of the new teams coming in, we're suffering because of our own ineptitude over so many years. Up to us to fix, not the AFL.
Yes we are smokey, but on the other hand the Blues and Dees bottomed out in successive years and they were compensated for it, we will not have that same compensation. Regardless of previous recruiting mistakes we should be compensated the same as the Dees and Blues were. So IMO the AFL do need to fix it, then it is up to us NOT to make the same mistakes as we did in the past.
They were compensated because they failed to win 5 games in a season - we did, so not the AFL's fault or problem. Let's fix it ourselves and control our own destiny - if we take the route of complaining and asking for assistance then we have already admitted we aren't up for the battle. And if we aren't up for the battle off the field, then we most certainly aren't up for it on the field.
To finish last on the ladder (if we do this year) and only recieve pick 4......... fair, I think not. The AFL need to consider this IMO and they haven't, they have only considered the new teams coming in and it's not good enough. We can't control our destiny when it is being controled for us by the AFL. How can we fight the battle of field when we battle is one sided to begin with. Without the battle being evened up we won't be up for it on field because we won't have the army.
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Podsiadly
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Totally agree, we will need compensation at the end of the year, it's just not fair honestly that we should suffer because of the new teams coming in.
We're not suffering because of the new teams coming in, we're suffering because of our own ineptitude over so many years. Up to us to fix, not the AFL.
Yes we are smokey, but on the other hand the Blues and Dees bottomed out in successive years and they were compensated for it, we will not have that same compensation. Regardless of previous recruiting mistakes we should be compensated the same as the Dees and Blues were. So IMO the AFL do need to fix it, then it is up to us NOT to make the same mistakes as we did in the past.
Fair call WAT, however all Clubs have known for 2 years now what has been on offer with these new teams coming in, so I tend to take the view that we got into this mess we have to get ourselves out of it. Further to that all Clubs initially agreed to what the AFL put on the table; so I don't think anyone can expect it to be changed now
And I reckon so far this year Nason has shown; as has Barlow for Freo that the talent is there deep in the draft you just have to find it
Yeah true WP, it's a shame we didn't have a crystal ball when the clubs agreed to the picks the new teams were going to have. If they knew we would be 0-4 I am sure they would not have been so hasty to agree.
Lets just hope we can pull a few Smokey's out late in the Draft then.
On Podsaidly, IMO he has been ok but would we bother with a player of that age in the next draft, I doubt it.
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Mature Rookie, thats why
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Mature Rookie, thats why
I thought you wanted youth, why wouldn't we rookie youth??
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Yeah true WP, it's a shame we didn't have a crystal ball when the clubs agreed to the picks the new teams were going to have. If they knew we would be 0-4 I am sure they would not have been so hasty to agree.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the clubs had any say in it. The AFL Commission run the game and make the rules and I think it was them who came up with the GC/GWS situation. Not that it would matter- we would have been a lone voice of dissent anyway. You go cap in hand and you hand over control - if there's one thing we can't afford to do, that's hand over control to anyone. We must control our own destiny to maintain our identity and ensure our longevity - it can't happen any other way. And when we next hold that cup on high, I don't want any squeeze-bag whingeing low life from the media or any other club taking the gloss of our premiership by saying we got a hand up. We all puff up and beat our chests talking about true tiger spirit - well now is the very time when true tiger spirit will shine through - and those without it will stand out like the proverbial sore thumb.
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Go cap in hand begging for charity and the AFL are likely to suggest you move to Tassie and they'll give all the help you need.
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whats the point in getting a high draft pick, we usually bugger the selection up anyway ::)
so u want to give away the pick do u??
we should be lobbying the commission behind the scenes for a special compensatory pick to add to pick 4 as well as asking to be allowed to sign 2 uncontracted players. 99% chance itll get rejected but theres no harm in asking.
or we should have drafted Higgins or Hurn or Grimes instead of JON McMahon etc.
thats also correct but whats happened has happened. Benny Gale should be working behind the scenes to get the commission to give us some assistance.
You cannot get extra picks because your club is rubbish.
We fcked up twice by allowing Melbourne and Carlton to have picks ahead of us in the Kruzer / Scully drafts.
We (Wallace / Miller) fcked up by trying to play finals in 05-07/08 instead of tanking and rebuilding and we lost many years of draft talent they is going to hurt us for the next 10+ years.
Melbourne now have:
- Trengrove, Scully, Morton, Tapscott, Grimes, Wonaeamirri, Jones, Petterd
- Watts, Jurrah, Gawn, Frawley
etc. and appear to have a better list for the next decade than Richmond.
:'(
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whats the point in getting a high draft pick, we usually bugger the selection up anyway ::)
so u want to give away the pick do u??
we should be lobbying the commission behind the scenes for a special compensatory pick to add to pick 4 as well as asking to be allowed to sign 2 uncontracted players. 99% chance itll get rejected but theres no harm in asking.
or we should have drafted Higgins or Hurn or Grimes instead of JON McMahon etc.
thats also correct but whats happened has happened. Benny Gale should be working behind the scenes to get the commission to give us some assistance.
Totally agree, we will need compensation at the end of the year, it's just not fair honestly that we should suffer because of the new teams coming in.
Richmond have had since the end of 2003 to rebuild.
7 years.
That is enough time. we should have used the system the same way other teams did.
fair or otherwise.
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Podsiadly
pods is ok, but hey anyone can look good in that geelong team
imagine pods at our club, poo no1 draft picks cant even look good 4 us , pods would be crap in our team
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would rather Pods @ FF than Rance
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would rather Pods @ FF than Rance
rance will be gone next yr and is not our ff
griffiths will be and is better than pods
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Rance was rated as a top 10 pick in the '07 draft. Delisted him would be another poor move by Richmond.
Griffs is 10 years younger than Pods. not sure if u can compare the 2
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The draft was put into place to even up the comp. With us finishing last this year we are entitled to pick 1 just like Melbourne last year and teams before them. Sure we have f@#ked up in the past with picks but that is beside the point. The rules since the draft came in is the bottom team gets first pick. (simply put) The AFL wants new teams in the AFL not us, we have the worst list and should be given the same oppotunities other struggling clubs have had before us when finishing bottom.
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The draft was put into place to even up the comp. With us finishing last this year we are entitled to pick 1 just like Melbourne last year and teams before them. Sure we have f@#ked up in the past with picks but that is beside the point. The rules since the draft came in is the bottom team gets first pick. (simply put) The AFL wants new teams in the AFL not us, we have the worst list and should be given the same oppotunities other struggling clubs have had before us when finishing bottom.
Thank the good Lord, finally someone that understands what I was getting at....... :clapping :clapping
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Rance was rated as a top 10 pick in the '07 draft. Delisted him would be another poor move by Richmond.
Griffs is 10 years younger than Pods. not sure if u can compare the 2
Sorry, but Rance will be out the door :thumbsup
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Rance was rated as a top 10 pick in the '07 draft. Delisted him would be another poor move by Richmond.
Griffs is 10 years younger than Pods. not sure if u can compare the 2
Sorry, but Rance will be out the door :thumbsup
Well I hope he stays, look at how Rains a Rodan have ended up and I didn't wan't to see either of them go. We can't keep just getting rid of these young players. Rance and Rodan were unlucky with injuries, they got their bodies right and gee do we need them now, lets hope we dont have to say the same about YOUNG Rance.
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The draft was put into place to even up the comp. With us finishing last this year we are entitled to pick 1 just like Melbourne last year and teams before them. Sure we have f@#ked up in the past with picks but that is beside the point. The rules since the draft came in is the bottom team gets first pick. (simply put) The AFL wants new teams in the AFL not us, we have the worst list and should be given the same oppotunities other struggling clubs have had before us when finishing bottom.
Thank the good Lord, finally someone that understands what I was getting at....... :clapping :clapping
Problem is what you are getting at is misguided.
the AFL is not going to award charity picks to Richmond for being poohouse.
the club should have tanked over the last 5-6 years instead of waiting for 2010.
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Rance was rated as a top 10 pick in the '07 draft. Delisted him would be another poor move by Richmond.
Griffs is 10 years younger than Pods. not sure if u can compare the 2
Sorry, but Rance will be out the door :thumbsup
Sorry but Rance has another year left on his contract. Are we going to pay him out?
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Would be better served seeing if he gets any better IMO over the next two seasons.
Still young for a KPP
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The draft was put into place to even up the comp. With us finishing last this year we are entitled to pick 1 just like Melbourne last year and teams before them. Sure we have f@#ked up in the past with picks but that is beside the point. The rules since the draft came in is the bottom team gets first pick. (simply put) The AFL wants new teams in the AFL not us, we have the worst list and should be given the same oppotunities other struggling clubs have had before us when finishing bottom.
Thank the good Lord, finally someone that understands what I was getting at....... :clapping :clapping
Problem is what you are getting at is misguided.
the AFL is not going to award charity picks to Richmond for being poohouse.
the club should have tanked over the last 5-6 years instead of waiting for 2010.
Correct Bentleigh-esque.. people seem to be pretending that some how the AFL will save a dead club but there wrong!! no offence .. the new clubs always need another club to beat in the season to get supporters and on there side
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stuff Melbourne. 37 goals
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Geelong defeated melbourne
37.11. 233
7.5. 47
Well what could anyone say?? I feel sorry for them to be honest but then again........ Theyre supporters are priks
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Just seen this score and honestly thought it wa a misprint...bloody hell...what was the record that the Cats nearly did us by but never did..have they done it this time??
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Geelong defeated melbourne
37.11. 233
7.5. 47
Well what could anyone say?? I feel sorry for them to be honest but then again........ Theyre supporters are priks
Exactly, fairweather supporters who live in their own little worlds and buy met tickets using their American Express cards on faulty machines for themselves and their 2.3 kids taking 3 minutes purchase one ticket while the train is at the platform and there is a queue of 5 fans waiting to buy their own tickets holding their loose change and five dollar notes hurling abuse at them for doing so while he conveniently chooses not to look respond or retaliate knowing he is a moron and the abuse is justified.
All in all while their kids in jacquard Melbourne scarves wearing Chelsea soccer guernseys stand aloof next to the ticket validation machine with their mother named either Megan Samantha Emily or Jane and they eventually board the train with their tartan rugs denim shirts Katmandu jackets and back pack with three thermos, bakers delight bread rolls with bocconcini cheese wholegrain mustard wild rocket and capsicum.
While blokes who go to the footy week in and week out have to adjust their footy habits have to adapt to their effing once a year pilgrimage to the G and have to deal with them at the game and on the train back while they decide whether they will take the Range Rover or the Volvo to Bec and Brocks house for dinner to discuss their so called Alpha male Supremacy over every one else whilst the kids use the country road table cloth as a bib and that bloke in the number 2 guernsey the number 9 guernsey and the number 8 guernsey are real good players and Brad Green and Jack Watts would make great acquisitions to the Human Resources departments at their jobs at one of the four Major Banks next to people called Cameron, Eliza, Heather and Brady.
I say eff them and their footy club. I hope the Scum beat them by at least half of what Saturday's defeat ended up. Here here here.
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That bag seems to be covering a chip on your shoulder there, Tucker. :whistle
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That bag seems to be covering a chip on your shoulder there, Tucker. :whistle
:lol