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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 26, 2009, 06:58:55 PM
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Ben is our boy.
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Welcome aboard Ben. :thumbsup
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Very happy so far :clapping
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Ben Griffiths
D.O.B: 17-Sep-1991
Club: Eastern Ranges
State: VIC
Height: 198cm
Weight: 99kg
Position: Forward
Key position prospect who is rarely beaten in the air. Quick with clean hands below his knees and is an exceptional long kick for goal. Vic Metro U18 representative in 2009. From Blackburn FC.
Video: http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=114442 (http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=114442)
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anyone have his stats or anything?
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don't worry i just saw the link :)
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don't worry i just saw the link :)
The bloke on sen seemed a big wrap for Ben, said if he had of played this season could easily have featured in the top half dozen picks. Makes me feel slightly better bc I haven't been big on picking him up, i really hope i am poven flat out WRONG!
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apparently will be the next PLUGGER if he can get on the park :shh
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2009 National Draft - Ben Griffiths (Pick 19)
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals/0/richmond_docs/ben%20griffiths%20web.jpg)
Ben Griffiths highlights: http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/226072
DOB: 17/09/91
Height: 198.5cm
Weight: 97.6kg
Club: Eastern Ranges, TAC Cup
What the recruiters say:
Ben is a powerful key position forward from the Eastern Ranges TAC club. Ben is an AFL-AIS Academy graduate of 2008 and as an underage player for his TAC club, played 4 games in 2007 and 8 games in 2008. Due to an injury interrupted 2009, Ben managed 10 games for Eastern and 4 games for the Vic Metro side in the NAB U18 National Championships.
Ben went into the U18 Championships with a very limited preparation but performed very well in his 1st game against NSW with 5 goal haul from full forward. In following games he was used higher up the ground at CHF and in the ruck to good effect. In the TAC Cup, Ben had goal hauls of 6 in round 17 against eventual TAC premier the Calder Cannons and in the 1st qualifying final against top side the Geelong Falcons, he had 10 marks and 4 goals in their upset win.
Ben has the speed and size to play as genuine power forward at AFL level. He has the acceleration to break free from opponents as a leading forward but also the size and strength to mark the ball one out in a contested situation. Ben also has great power and depth in his kicking and showed great composure in 2009 to kick long clutch goals. The club is excited about the prospect of developing Ben into a key forward who will demand the footy on the Richmond forward line in years to come.
Ben Griffiths in his own words:
What type of player are you?
A tall key forward, who provides a good option on the lead and good below the knees.
Which AFL player do you feel you resemble, and why?
Justin Koschitzke, because I'm big, athletic and try to break the packs similar to the way he breaks them, and I'm a pretty good mark.
What are your strengths as a footballer?
I would say my cleanness below my knees, my kicking, and I'm pretty quick over the ground.
What parts of your game would you like to improve?
I really want to improve my endurance and agility for getting through traffic.
Which AFL team do you support and how did you come to barrack for them?
I follow Hawthorn, I came about this because my mum goes for them and so does her whole family.
Who has been the biggest influence on your career so far, and why?
Wayne McCraw, ex-Eastern Ranges coach. He showed a lot of faith in me in under-16s when I wasn't sure about whether to play footy or not. He gave me a lot of advice about my game and really helped me develop.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2010/2009NationalDraft/BenGriffiths/tabid/15506/Default.aspx
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Griffiths isn't so much a question of ability but whether he can get on the park. If he can overcome his injuries :pray then we've got a bargain here that fills a massive need. Griffiths, Reiwoldt, Morton with Vickery and Post as third talls is the making of a strong forward line. I guess we think we'll be crap for the next 2 years minimum so we can allow Griffs the time to get his body right.
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Will need time to condition his body to play as a key forward but, as long as he can remain injury free, he will the full forward we have been crying out for for years to compliment Jack, Mitch and little Rob!
Stripes
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Griffiths isn't so much a question of ability but whether he can get on the park. If he can overcome his injuries :pray then we've got a bargain here that fills a massive need. Griffiths, Reiwoldt, Morton with Vickery and Post as third talls is the making of a strong forward line. I guess we think we'll be crap for the next 2 years minimum so we can allow Griffs the time to get his body right.
hmmmmm? i believe we will win more then 5 and a half matches in 2010.
Question:
i heard it is his Shoulder? he had surgery two days ago? has anyone else heard this?
and obviously, how bad is his injuries?
hopefully he will be fit after Round 11, 2010.
:pray
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He's going to be a huge unit this lad.
What are his injuries? and how bad are they?
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Injuries have been varied, nothing the same twice I don't think
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Just watched the video, geez, great kicking action, great second efforts and below the knees, know's where to lead into open spaces, great mark (contested) and a lovely long kick. WELCOME to Tigerland Ben!!
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Griffiths isn't so much a question of ability but whether he can get on the park. If he can overcome his injuries :pray then we've got a bargain here that fills a massive need. Griffiths, Reiwoldt, Morton with Vickery and Post as third talls is the making of a strong forward line. I guess we think we'll be crap for the next 2 years minimum so we can allow Griffs the time to get his body right.
hmmmmm? i believe we will win more then 5 and a half matches in 2010.
Question:
i heard it is his Shoulder? he had surgery two days ago? has anyone else heard this?
and obviously, how bad is his injuries?
hopefully he will be fit after Round 11, 2010.
:pray
On Griffiths yep that's what I heard was happening to. He was going in for his shoulder operation two days before the draft. In my mind we'll allow him 2010 to get right rather than rush him to play Richmond seniors next year. IIRC Nick Riewoldt missed a lot of his first year due to injury. In the long run it doesn't matter if he plays much in his first year as long as we allow his body the time and preparation to get right.
On us I can't see us winning too many games than 5.5 next year. We'll have a very young side and list and we'll lack of mature spine until the young talls develop in a few years time. A few injuries over the marathon 22 rounds and we'll struggle. I didn't mean it as a negative as youth is the way we need to go. It's just supporters will need to be patient with this group.
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Just watched the video, geez, great kicking action, great second efforts and below the knees, know's where to lead into open spaces, great mark (contested) and a lovely long kick. WELCOME to Tigerland Ben!!
which video?
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Our very own man mountain, awesome. Injuries aside :pray Perfect addition to the forward line.
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Just watched the video, geez, great kicking action, great second efforts and below the knees, know's where to lead into open spaces, great mark (contested) and a lovely long kick. WELCOME to Tigerland Ben!!
which video?
I reckon Ben has the potential to be the best of all the key positions that were available in this draft. Must get his injuries right. A forward line consisting Griffiths Riewoldt and Morton isnt a bad start at all.
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This is from his schools newsletter -
Congratulations Ben!
Ben Griffiths, Whitefriars 2009 Football Captain, was drafted to the Richmond Football Club with pick No. 19 at the 2009 AFL Draft. During 2009 Ben was selected in the Under 18’s Victorian Metro Team and was a member of the Australian Institute of Sport in 2007-08. He played TAC Cup football at the Eastern Rangers. Ben is a highly talented footballer, who has had some bad luck with injuries, and will no doubt excite the Yellow and Black army for years to come.
Earlier in the year our College Sport Captain, Julian Petracca, sat down with Ben and asked him a few questions about his career and experiences.
What’s some of the experiences and knowledge you have gained from being an elite footballer and a member of the AIS?
I have gained a massive amount of knowledge in the last few years like the right sorts of foods to eat before and after games, the importance of recovery after training and games, and how to set good goals to work towards throughout the year. Probably the greatest experience was the trip to South Africa as part of the AIS squad. It was such a wake up call to see how lucky we are here in Australia to have this quality of life.
Being coached by Michael Voss, Nathan Buckley and Luke Darcy, how did they help you in your football life.?
It made me realise that they are just human beings like us; initially I was a bit star struck, but after getting to know them they became really good mentors to ask them anything about life and what to do on the football field.
Your favourite position and why?
I would have to say full forward because I like the 1 on 1 contests and being the option up forward to kick to.
Your favourite AFL player and why?
Chris Judd, just because of the way in which he goes about everything on and off the field, it is something that I really look up to.
Greatest football memory, whilst playing (can be WFC)?
Representing my country against South Africa as well as the Year 10 grand final against De La Salle.
Some advice you have for young students at WFC and how they go about their sport?
Make the most of playing football at Whitefriars with your mates because there’s nothing like running out on the ground with people you enjoy being around. And also have fun!
Stripes
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Just watched the video, geez, great kicking action, great second efforts and below the knees, know's where to lead into open spaces, great mark (contested) and a lovely long kick. WELCOME to Tigerland Ben!!
which video?
At the start of this thread.
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Still cant get over the size of the boy.....starting to get very excited.
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l like his kicking action. He dont change it no matter what distance from goal.
His a type of player we need badly
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At last get our power forward.
:cheers
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i've seen articles written on everyone of our draftees except big ben griffiths. still waiting. c'mon, journos out there, get to work!!!!
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Meet him on Tuesday night at Club80
Impressive kid
Wants to start training and is likely to be on the bike next week
Full contact training sometime in the new year
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Meet him on Tuesday night at Club80
Impressive kid
Wants to start training and is likely to be on the bike next week
Full contact training sometime in the new year
good to hear. It was also quite reassuring from the club 80 reports that he in fact didn't have a shoulder reco, rather, just had a clean out.
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Griffiths to debut
richmondfc.com.au
Thu 27 May, 2010
Ben Griffiths will make his much-anticipated AFL debut with Richmond in Saturday afternoon’s Round 10 match against Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium.
The 198cm, 97kg, key forward was taken by the Tigers at pick 19 overall in the 2009 National Draft.
Griffiths attracted the attention of Tiger talent scouts while playing for Eastern Ranges in the TAC Cup competition last year, due to his size, agility and accurate long kicking.
His good form with the Eastern Ranges earned him selection in the Vic Metro team at the under-18 national championships, where he impressed with a five-goal display against NSW.
Although he has had an injury-interrupted start to his league football career, the Tigers rate him a special talent, and were keen to provide him with a senior opportunity.
He becomes the eighth player to make his senior league debut with Richmond in 2010, joining Dustin Martin, Ben Nason, David Astbury, Matt Dea, Troy Taylor, Relton Roberts and Jeromey Webberley.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/95162/default.aspx
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Good decision. Wishing him a long and successful career at Richmond.
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Good luck Ben.
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hat's all that this year was about - That's 8 - Gotta be close/if not a record ? :clapping :gotigers
Hey and they all show potential, no real spuds ....
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Wonder when Grimey will get his turn... Round 19 against Melbourne, maybe?
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Wonder when Grimey will get his turn... Round 19 against Melbourne, maybe?
grimes has been injured
he will debut this year no doubt
quite a talented player with tremendous athletic ability
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Hell, I am in shock, just finished up for the day and read this, I hope the hell we are not rushing him any by the way everyone.
PLEASE DO NOT EXPECT A SUPERHUMAN 10 GOAL, 20 POSSESSION, 18 MARKS, 10 TACKLE GAME OUT OF THE BOY!!!!!
;D ;D
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Hell, I am in shock, just finished up for the day and read this, I hope the hell we are not rushing him any by the way everyone.
PLEASE DO NOT EXPECT A SUPERHUMAN 10 GOAL, 20 POSSESSION, 18 MARKS, 10 TACKLE GAME OUT OF THE BOY!!!!!
;D ;D
I agree, 7-8 would be enough
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Hell, I am in shock, just finished up for the day and read this, I hope the hell we are not rushing him any by the way everyone.
PLEASE DO NOT EXPECT A SUPERHUMAN 10 GOAL, 20 POSSESSION, 18 MARKS, 10 TACKLE GAME OUT OF THE BOY!!!!!
;D ;D
I agree, 7-8 would be enough
:lol ;)
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If he stays fit and does not look out of his depth at the top level play him for thre rest of the year.
Forward line just looks a little taller and a little more structured.
Good luck Ben.
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Great news...cant wait for Saturday.
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All Seven 2009 National draft picks will have now played this year :thumbsup.
Damien Hardwick calls in new blood for Richmond
Greg Denham
The Australian
May 28, 2010
NEW coach Damien Hardwick's metamorphosis at Richmond continued last night at the selection table with the inclusion of first-gamer Ben Griffiths, against Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium tomorrow.
Amazingly, the teenage key forward will complete the introduction to the elite level of all seven of Richmond's selections in last year's national draft.
Griffiths, 18 and almost 200cm tall, is a quick, powerful athlete and thumping kick, according to the Tigers. He will be Richmond's eighth AFL debutant under Hardwick and the 37th player used at senior level this season.
Griffiths was the Tigers' second selection in the November draft at pick No 19 overall, and will follow in the footsteps of Dustin Martin, David Astbury, Matt Dea, Troy Taylor, Jeromey Webberley and Ben Nason, to have all made their AFL debut in the first 10 rounds of the season.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/damien-hardwick-calls-in-new-blood-for-richmond/story-e6frg7mf-1225872271191
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Anyone who thinks HArdwick can't coach and will place us in a worst position as a club and list than he started with is delusionary. The fact that he has blooded so many young recruits and he, his assistants and specialists are not developing the players game only need look at the quality and quantity of the first gamers that have and are playing for us. Besides perhaps one, every player that we have recruited last year has shown they potentially have what it takes.
For a long time we have not recruited or developed our list well and this is Hardwicks number one priority not winning meaningless games. We are also resting players and ensuring they are not played so niggles become long term injuries.
I for one think we are finally heading down the right path and have made a smart choice with Hardwick!
Stripes
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Strap them shoulders up & cut him loose ;D
Good Luck & hope he survives. Having a 200cm forward & thumping kick is what we need :pray ;D
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Good Luck Griff, make every post a winner :pray :clapping :pray
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Could Ben Griffiths be the new Matthew Richardson?
Michael Horan
Herald Sun
May 29, 2010
BEFORE he sets foot on the AAMI Stadium surface against Port Adelaide today, Richmond's newest senior player Ben Griffiths has heavy baggage.
Tall, dark and talented, the 18-year-old key position player who was a prolific goalkicker in junior ranks, is already being hailed the Tigers' new Matthew Richardson.
The club's second pick in the 2009 draft and taken 19th overall, there is no doubt Richmond has great hope and expectations, but coach Damien Hardwick warned the agile, long-kicking Griffiths had a long way to go in his development.
"It's a big call given he still hasn't played a (senior) game," when asked about the Richo tag.
"We just want to get games into him. He's a big boy - he's 198cm and about 100kg already. He's just a guy we're going to put out there and see how he goes.
"There's no pressure on him, we just want to get a game into him and get as many as we can into him this year.
"We feel he's going to be a good player for our football club, but the Richo comparison is maybe a tad early."
Griffiths follows Dustin Martin, Ben Nason, David Astbury, Matt Dea, Troy Taylor, Relton Roberts and Jeromey Webberley as senior Tiger debutants this season, making the club's tally of 36 players used already in 2010 the most of any AFL club.
"From our point of view its's about seeing which players can take us forward and what positions they're suited to," Hardwick said.
"Sides at the bottom of the ladder generally turn over their players more than top sides - its just a statistical thing you can back up.
"So from our point of view we're just seeing how players go in certain positions and come 2011 we'll settle our side somewhat as well."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/could-ben-griffiths-be-the-new-matthew-richardson/story-e6frf9jf-1225872774142
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Holy snappin duck poop, he hasn't run out on the field and he is already our Richodunstallcareylockethall lol
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Holy snappin duck poop, he hasn't run out on the field and he is already our Richodunstallcareylockethall lol
:lol
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ONLY 2 PAGES
Jarred Sylvester got nearly 10 pages of good wishes and he was an old hack.
Here is an hopefully upcoming key position future star :pray ...and where are all the posts?
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great news! we could do with a big bloke up forward to kick to other than just Riewoldt. i hope he goes well this afternoon.
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ONLY 2 PAGES
Jarred Sylvester got nearly 10 pages of good wishes and he was an old hack.
Here is an hopefully upcoming key position future star :pray ...and where are all the posts?
I think as supporters we have all learned (actually had it bashed into us) to sit back and see what happens, rather than proclaim each and every recruit and 5 year plan as the next big thing. Yep, I wish him well but I have zero expectations from him in either his first game or whole career.
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ONLY 2 PAGES
Jarred Sylvester got nearly 10 pages of good wishes and he was an old hack.
Here is an hopefully upcoming key position future star :pray ...and where are all the posts?
I think as supporters we have all learned (actually had it bashed into us) to sit back and see what happens, rather than proclaim each and every recruit and 5 year plan as the next big thing. Yep, I wish him well but I have zero expectations from him in either his first game or whole career.
yes I understand. But I would of thought there would be a tad more excitement from an up and coming young key position player.
The fact that he is taller than 175cm is already a cause for celebration. :birthday :cheers
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Given they were the worst conditions for a tall to make a debut Griff's showed some nice marks in the wet.
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clean hands, moves well, solid debut in appalling conditions for a big big man. well done griff, hope his injury is a slight one, weeks rest then back for the eagles game :thumbsup
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Given they were the worst conditions for a tall to make a debut Griff's showed some nice marks in the wet.
Showed a few good signs all round MT. Not unhappy at all with what I saw from him. And on the subject of 'talls' - I thought Astbury's game was far and away his best so far, especially given the totally unsuited conditions. Really really happy with these two today.
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Happy with him.
Looks to me as he could be something.
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trade for seaby ;D
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For a big fella in the wet he was very good at ground level. I like what I saw of him
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Lookin good shame he copped a corky but hopefully he pulls up good for the St's game.
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Griffs' nickname is 'Biggy'
http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/videoid/54911/deledio+grills+griffiths/default.aspx#VideoPlayerB
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Posted by someone on PRE that he failed the fitness test today
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yep late change
griff out morton in
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dammit quite disappointed not to see griff.
it's alright, just the corky. we'll unleash him in front of the home crowd at the G next week.
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dammit quite disappointed not to see griff.
it's alright, just the corky. we'll unleash him in front of the home crowd at the G next week.
i see this as being good player management. no risks with griffiths. next week he will be 2 from 2 as we notch up another win.
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dammit quite disappointed not to see griff.
it's alright, just the corky. we'll unleash him in front of the home crowd at the G next week.
i see this as being good player management. no risks with griffiths. next week he will be 2 from 2 as we notch up another win.
i agree Ramps! win number two next match, just hope Martin is not suffering from that corkie! however, i was disappointed griffiths was not playing last night, only because the excitement about this boy is massive! if astbury can be that leading tall forward and riewoldt and griffiths in the forward line, i am thinking of serious damage ahead!
:)
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riewoldt griffiths and astbury need to be developed in the forward line as a group. there the 3 that can take us to the next level up forward.
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riewoldt griffiths and astbury need to be developed in the forward line as a group. there the 3 that can take us to the next level up forward.
Totally agree with this..... Just like Thursie,Moore and McGuane in the backline two years back.
If one of Griffiths/Astbury is struggling should be no harm to send him down back.
Just don't wanna see them crash into eachother all the time. It can happen when you have too many tall fowards.
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riewoldt griffiths and astbury need to be developed in the forward line as a group. there the 3 that can take us to the next level up forward.
Yep excluding injuries all three must play for the rest of the season to let the boys gel playing together. Really like Astbury too. Has a great work ethic just needs to work on his kicking for goal.
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riewoldt griffiths and astbury need to be developed in the forward line as a group. there the 3 that can take us to the next level up forward.
Yep excluding injuries all three must play for the rest of the season to let the boys gel playing together. Really like Astbury too. Has a great work ethic just needs to work on his kicking for goal.
Agree with you for sure on this. Gotta get some games in these fellas. Astbury got the yips I reckon, Daly should get him into Reiwoldts ipod routine.
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I talked to Astbury at Richo's farewell who is a really nice bloke, he's a Ballarat boy where my family come from and played cricket with my cousin. He mentioned after the win against Port that Ben Griffiths is becoming a pest and he's going around at training saying "No Griffiths, No Richmond - 1 from 1 baby" lol
Completely tongue in cheek if it doesn't sound like it is. Glad to hear he's feeling apart of the club and has a bit of swagger.
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I talked to Astbury at Richo's farewell who is a really nice bloke, he's a Ballarat boy where my family come from and played cricket with my cousin. He mentioned after the win against Port that Ben Griffiths is becoming a pest and he's going around at training saying "No Griffiths, No Richmond - 1 from 1 baby" lol
Completely tongue in cheek if it doesn't sound like it is. Glad to hear he's feeling apart of the club and has a bit of swagger.
hes gonna be 2 from 2 at the end of next week lol
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haha thats gold, gonna be hilarious with two big nutters in the forward line....
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He seems to be on the outside at this stage, skirting the packs - hes a 99kg KFWD whose 198cm tall. He needs to find more contests he needs to use his pace and make some leads, basically he just needs to find the footy IMHO. Just not in the game at the moment, but shows 1 or 2 things a game that gives major hope that he can be real good. Pick up of the ground, below his knees his really good, put metres into a defensive players in short sprint yesterday...if he can learn to find the ball then he'll be a real good player.
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He seems to be on the outside at this stage, skirting the packs - hes a 99kg KFWD whose 198cm tall. He needs to find more contests he needs to use his pace and make some leads, basically he just needs to find the footy IMHO. Just not in the game at the moment, but shows 1 or 2 things a game that gives major hope that he can be real good. Pick up of the ground, below his knees his really good, put metres into a defensive players in short sprint yesterday...if he can learn to find the ball then he'll be a real good player.
Maybe they need to find him too!
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He seems to be on the outside at this stage, skirting the packs - hes a 99kg KFWD whose 198cm tall. He needs to find more contests he needs to use his pace and make some leads, basically he just needs to find the footy IMHO. Just not in the game at the moment, but shows 1 or 2 things a game that gives major hope that he can be real good. Pick up of the ground, below his knees his really good, put metres into a defensive players in short sprint yesterday...if he can learn to find the ball then he'll be a real good player.
Maybe they need to find him too!
thats also true
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Dont forget guys this kid has missed alot of footy,not just this year but last year also...he need time ,and i mean time at the top
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More game time the better
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The delivery to Griffiths last night was not good too. He made many leads and created space for himself but they could only grubber the ball to him, kick it short or over his head.
He is busting packs and allowing Jack more freedom as the opposition teams can't double team them both. I am more than happy with him at the moment and look forward to him being a huge part of our forward line and he will be once he has a decent lead into the season.
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The delivery to Griffiths last night was not good too. He made many leads and created space for himself but they could only grubber the ball to him, kick it short or over his head.
He is busting packs and allowing Jack more freedom as the opposition teams can't double team them both. I am more than happy with him at the moment and look forward to him being a huge part of our forward line and he will be once he has a decent lead into the season.
I agree WAT! If Griffo is up forward, his size demands a decent defender and therefore frees up Jack from double teaming!
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Pick on the kids thread - this year was all about game time and that is what the 19 yr old kid is getting.
I get what ur saying but let's put things in perspective, he is getting a game! more than a lot of draftees his age. Gunna be a good playa, playa! ;D
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Are you starting up a trade Griffiths thread are you Ramps
Worked wonders for Riewoldt hopefully it will for Griffiths
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Have a mate who know his football coach at underage school boy level - the kid is a freak, rest assured if the body holds up he will be a superstar.
Relax Ramps, he's a good one.
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Are you starting up a trade Griffiths thread are you Ramps
Worked wonders for Riewoldt hopefully it will for Griffiths
Unlike about 80% of the people in here I admit it when I get it wrong, most of you blokes were on the Rawlings bandwagon last year lol ... hahahahahaha
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Doesn't need to get touches he is our lucky charm, we are undefeated with him in the side.
This Jacks fourth year in the system, and well you know how that story is going.
Ben hasn't even played 4 games. He plays in a position where you don't pick up cheap stats.
I have zero expectations of the kid this year, after the incident at casey fields i was sure he was done for the year. Every game he plays is a bonus.
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Probably a fair call, isn't getting a heap of it although Patful is a handy defender.
We have to take into account Griffiths like the rest is learning the game plan.
His size stats are super impressive but mentally and experience wise he's as raw as a baby. He also needs to build confidence in his shoulders.
With the juggernaut Riewoldt ongoing its not easy to demand the football lol
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Are you starting up a trade Griffiths thread are you Ramps
Worked wonders for Riewoldt hopefully it will for Griffiths
Dud...Delist-FACT ;)
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They're protecting him.
Hardwick said on Fox Sports after the game that Astbury was forced to into a role that he didn't want a first year player to play when McGuane went down. I would say that Griffiths is also playing a role that protects him a fair bit.
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BS thread title...Griffiths is just getting miles or should I say kms into his legs...game minutes which are invaluable....
I don't think anyone expected much from Griffiths this year...given where he was coming from after his shoulder surgery last year...the fact is, he hasnt played alot of footy for a while..didnt spend much time at coburg...and is getting a gig at senior level...Is he taking a spot that say Polak would otherwise take ? Answer probably yes..but look long term...given this year is all about development, nothing wrong in his development in the seniors...picks up the speed of the game, and learns where to position himself ...
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LOl Mat
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Early days.
Jack has only hit real form this season.
Griffiths has played 3 games.
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Griffs is gonna be a champ. Big, smart, fast and when they start sending the pill his way, he will be kicking some bags for us.
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Griffs is gonna be a champ. Big, smart, fast and when they start sending the pill his way, he will be kicking some bags for us.
agree
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I would't mind Jack as he did last weekend push up the ground at times and give the Griffiths periods during a game to be the main tall target to go long to. Jack took 4 years as someone said so there's no rush for Griffs but we saw how Richo moving out of the forward line helped speed up Jack's development.
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I would't mind Jack as he did last weekend push up the ground at times and give the Griffiths periods during a game to be the main tall target to go long to. Jack took 4 years as someone said so there's no rush for Griffs but we saw how Richo moving out of the forward line helped speed up Jack's development.
So play Jack at FB to give Griff a go up foward?
:lol
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I would't mind Jack as he did last weekend push up the ground at times and give the Griffiths periods during a game to be the main tall target to go long to. Jack took 4 years as someone said so there's no rush for Griffs but we saw how Richo moving out of the forward line helped speed up Jack's development.
So play Jack at FB to give Griff a go up foward?
:lol
I like your thinking '65! ;)
Drawing two backman up the ground so our other forwards, including big Giff, has more room to lead into and crumb the ball is a smart move from Jack and the coaches imho. Last week Jack kicked 3 goals but played beautifully, getting plenty of the ball upfield and opeing the way for our small forwards and midfielders to spread the load. It's about the overall team score not one player so if we can feed the ball more to Griff to build up his confidence and find other goal scoring options along with Jack then our forwardline future is looking bright indeed.
Stripes
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Drawing two backman up the ground so our other forwards, including big Giff, has more room to lead into and crumb the ball is a smart move from Jack and the coaches imho. Last week Jack kicked 3 goals but played beautifully, getting plenty of the ball upfield and opeing the way for our small forwards and midfielders to spread the load. It's about the overall team score not one player so if we can feed the ball more to Griff to build up his confidence and find other goal scoring options along with Jack then our forwardline future is looking bright indeed.
Bingo! :thumbsup
Whereas an opposition can double team one dominant key forward, they can't shut down multiple targets working together. We don't want our mids to get into the habit of lazily going to Jack all the time as happened when we were Richo-centric. The target should be the best forward option whoever that is - Jack, Griffs, Vickery, Collo, Nason, .... whoever!
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Dimma is happy with Griffiths....
"Even though Ben Griffiths hasn’t seen a lot of the ball in his three games to date, we believe he is coming along nicely and will develop into a very good key forward for us. Three wins from three games is certainly a great way to start your AFL career"
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/ARCHIVEPAGES/SecureSignonTest/GreenbergsGrabs/tabid/15918/Default.aspx
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4 wins from 4 for Biggy. Talk about our lucky charm ;D
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4 wins out of 4 is lucky.
Going bald at 18 is quite unfortunate though ;D
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was involved more today, kicked a real nice goal, improving, so he should stay in the side.
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Going bald at 18 is quite unfortunate though ;D
Yep the poor kid will be Gary Ablett jnr bald by his mid 20s.
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Going bald at 18 is quite unfortunate though ;D
Yep the poor kid will be Gary Ablett jnr bald by his mid 20s.
He should do what i have finally done and go the number 2 and retain some dignity!
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Going bald at 18 is quite unfortunate though ;D
Yep the poor kid will be Gary Ablett jnr bald by his mid 20s.
He should do what i have finally done and go the number 2 and retain some dignity!
theres no dignity in Number 2 jobs, go straight to the No 1 trim and get it over and done with. I started at 5 and ended up at 1 within about 4 months. Griffiths should go the No 1 for mine.
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most impressive thing about him is his agility and ability to get the ball at ground level , he is 200cm tall but plays beloes his knees like a rover. when his confidence is up he will be a freak m the next richo, he will wear no 12 next yr
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did some clever work yesterday which was impressive
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Surgery to end Griffiths’ season
richmondfc.com.au
5:27 PM Mon 12 July, 2010
Richmond rising star Ben Griffiths will miss the remainder of the 2010 season with a shoulder injury.
Griffiths will have surgery later this week to stabilise his right shoulder, after colliding with Adam McPhee during the second quarter of last Saturday’s win over Fremantle.
“It was in Ben’s best interests that he has the surgery now, to give him the opportunity to have a full pre season and be ready for next year,” Richmond Football Operations Manager Ross Monaghan said.
“We are taking the long-term view with Ben, because we see him as an important part of our future.”
Griffiths was Richmond’s second pick overall (pick 19) in the 2009 National Draft, and made his debut against Port Adelaide in Round 10.
He has played in all five of the Tigers’ victories this season.
Meanwhile, midfielder Adam Thompson will also miss the remainder of the season with a groin injury.
The 23-year-old has been hampered by the injury in the past few weeks and will undergo surgery this week.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/blogarticle/tabid/14215/newsid/98056/default.aspx
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Surgery to end Griffiths’ season
richmondfc.com.au
5:27 PM Mon 12 July, 2010
Richmond rising star Ben Griffiths will miss the remainder of the 2010 season with a shoulder injury.
Griffiths will have surgery later this week to stabilise his right shoulder, after colliding with Adam McPhee during the second quarter of last Saturday’s win over Fremantle.
“It was in Ben’s best interests that he has the surgery now, to give him the opportunity to have a full pre season and be ready for next year,” Richmond Football Operations Manager Ross Monaghan said.
“We are taking the long-term view with Ben, because we see him as an important part of our future.”
Griffiths was Richmond’s second pick overall (pick 19) in the 2009 National Draft, and made his debut against Port Adelaide in Round 10.
He has played in all five of the Tigers’ victories this season.
Meanwhile, midfielder Adam Thompson will also miss the remainder of the season with a groin injury.
The 23-year-old has been hampered by the injury in the past few weeks and will undergo surgery this week.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/blogarticle/tabid/14215/newsid/98056/default.aspx
Tanking or good list management?
:lol
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good move , he is vital for our future , big agile and can kick
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Tanking or good list management?
:lol
Good tank management?
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Tanking or good list management?
:lol
Good tank management?
Now come on you two, did you really have to mention the 'T' word? :lol
Seriously though i think he should have been dropped anyway for list management reasons! Those weeks he has played have been invaluable for his development, trouble is we wont win another game as he is our lucky charm! At least he'll finish the season undefeated!
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No tanking at Punt Road.
We will win again this week :gotigers
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No tanking at Punt Road.
We will win again this week :gotigers
exactly , not in hardwicks vocab tanking!!!
all about transformation and development
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good move , he is vital for our future , big agile and can kick
Yep his kicking style is one of the best I've seen for quite a while
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Interesting that they said it's surgery just to stabilise it rather than reconstruct it. May not be too serious and we're just playing it safe.
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Does the Griffiths injury change the draft for us- Do we go with a big forward like Gorringe to make sure we have future cover?
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Young Griff is 5 from 5....A fact he will remind his team mates about all summer.
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Surgery to end Griffiths’ season
richmondfc.com.au
5:27 PM Mon 12 July, 2010
Richmond rising star Ben Griffiths will miss the remainder of the 2010 season with a shoulder injury.
Griffiths will have surgery later this week to stabilise his right shoulder, after colliding with Adam McPhee during the second quarter of last Saturday’s win over Fremantle.
“It was in Ben’s best interests that he has the surgery now, to give him the opportunity to have a full pre season and be ready for next year,” Richmond Football Operations Manager Ross Monaghan said.
“We are taking the long-term view with Ben, because we see him as an important part of our future.”
Griffiths was Richmond’s second pick overall (pick 19) in the 2009 National Draft, and made his debut against Port Adelaide in Round 10.
He has played in all five of the Tigers’ victories this season.
Meanwhile, midfielder Adam Thompson will also miss the remainder of the season with a groin injury.
The 23-year-old has been hampered by the injury in the past few weeks and will undergo surgery this week.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/blogarticle/tabid/14215/newsid/98056/default.aspx
Tanking or good list management?
:lol
Clear tank. Who do we have on the list 6ft 7 that can swoop the ball on the run and kick a goal 50 out post high? :whistle
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disappointing, because the next seven matches would help his development (obvisouly).
however, get him 100% fit and strong in those shoulders in 2011.
good management!
not sure how bad Foley is, but get them 100% fit and healthy for 2011.
:)
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Great move by the club with any of our structural players for the future. Put them under ice whenever any player has any injury concerns that may hurt their output next season. :clapping Also allows the clubs to tial other players in other positions or in the side in general. :thumbsup
We are not tanking. We are looking to win every week. Can't stop the group now no matter what changes are made. :cheers
Stripes
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Young Griff is 5 from 5....A fact he will remind his team mates about all summer.
Which is why he will front up at round one next year against Carlton in front of 80,000 were he'll go 6 from 6. :thumbsup
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Interesting that they said it's surgery just to stabilise it rather than reconstruct it. May not be too serious and we're just playing it safe.
It's the same type of surgery he had last year on the other shoulder - not a full reco
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A real shame. Hoping for a speedy recovery
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Interesting that they said it's surgery just to stabilise it rather than reconstruct it. May not be too serious and we're just playing it safe.
It's the same type of surgery he had last year on the other shoulder - not a full reco
In the circumstances, that's great news.
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It's the same type of surgery he had last year on the other shoulder - not a full reco
In the circumstances, that's great news.
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what great news ::) his missing the rest of the year, oh yeah thats gonna help the club.
This better not be another Coughlan case of good talent but payed to stay off the oval. :banghead
must of been a pinched sub lax :lol
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Hope foley & griff in our starting 18 round 1 2011
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if griff is another coughlan I look forward to him winning the b&f next season
It's the same type of surgery he had last year on the other shoulder - not a full reco
In the circumstances, that's great news.
what great news ::) his missing the rest of the year, oh yeah thats gonna help the club.
This better not be another Coughlan case of good talent but payed to stay off the oval. :banghead
must of been a pinched sub lax :lol
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Under the circumstances, that's great news.
what great news ::) his missing the rest of the year, oh yeah thats gonna help the club.
This better not be another Coughlan case of good talent but payed to stay off the oval. :banghead
must of been a pinched sub lax :lol
What part of "Under the circumstances" is so hard for you to understand?
We know the guy is going in for surgery, so given we know this a clean up is a far better result than needing a full reco
I swear you just argue with posts of mine for the sake of it
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Under the circumstances, that's great news.
what great news ::) his missing the rest of the year, oh yeah thats gonna help the club.
This better not be another Coughlan case of good talent but payed to stay off the oval. :banghead
must of been a pinched sub lax :lol
What part of "Under the circumstances" is so hard for you to understand?
We know the guy is going in for surgery, so given we know this a clean up is a far better result than needing a full reco
I swear you just argue with posts of mine for the sake of it
no l dont understand your posts. & its more than a clean up Doctor Imfamy ;D so get your facts right
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I just hope we don't start wrecking too many bodies this year... It isn't worth destroying bodies for a ninth finish. I am spewing about Griff he really is an awesome kick, he will be a scary proposition when he starts smashing packs and taking marks. Teams will be dreading us on the fixture between him and Jack alone lol
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Under the circumstances, that's great news.
what great news ::) his missing the rest of the year, oh yeah thats gonna help the club.
This better not be another Coughlan case of good talent but payed to stay off the oval. :banghead
must of been a pinched sub lax :lol
What part of "Under the circumstances" is so hard for you to understand?
We know the guy is going in for surgery, so given we know this a clean up is a far better result than needing a full reco
I swear you just argue with posts of mine for the sake of it
no l dont understand your posts. & its more than a clean up Doctor Imfamy ;D so get your facts right
It was reported at the time of his last shoulder surgery that they went to do a reco and found that they didn't need to do the full procedure. So if they are doing the same thing this time then it means they don't need a full reco. Not sure how hard that is to understand.
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It was reported at the time of his last shoulder surgery that they went to do a reco and found that they didn't need to do the full procedure. So if they are doing the same thing this time then it means they don't need a full reco. Not sure how hard that is to understand.
you really do need to stop beleiving the media, they are speculators. ;D
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It was reported at the time of his last shoulder surgery that they went to do a reco and found that they didn't need to do the full procedure. So if they are doing the same thing this time then it means they don't need a full reco. Not sure how hard that is to understand.
you really do need to stop beleiving the media, they are speculators. ;D
How the hell would something of that detail just get made up?
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TM get your facts right its a clean up same operation as last year, no-one is hiding some fantasy story lol.
The fact your suggesting the club and media are "lying" about his operation is hilarious. Please humour us on your reasons why this would do anyone any good? You're stupidity always comes through to entertain us, so thank you.
Considering he wont be playing a game until the earliest Round 1 next year lets short cut his comeback to 4-5 weeks instead of 10 lol, thats a great idea lol.
You've out done yourself again old man. :lol
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It's the same type of surgery he had last year on the other shoulder - not a full reco
In the circumstances, that's great news.
what great news ::) his missing the rest of the year, oh yeah thats gonna help the club.
This better not be another Coughlan case of good talent but payed to stay off the oval. :banghead
must of been a pinched sub lax :lol
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I love internet doctors.
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It was reported at the time of his last shoulder surgery that they went to do a reco and found that they didn't need to do the full procedure. So if they are doing the same thing this time then it means they don't need a full reco. Not sure how hard that is to understand.
you really do need to stop beleiving the media, they are speculators. ;D
So TM if I said to you that the Griffiths himself told me that he didn't have a full reco last year but the procedure that stabilises the joint etc whould he be lying too
Because I can tell you that's what he said earlier in the year when I meet him at a Club function
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It was reported at the time of his last shoulder surgery that they went to do a reco and found that they didn't need to do the full procedure. So if they are doing the same thing this time then it means they don't need a full reco. Not sure how hard that is to understand.
you really do need to stop beleiving the media, they are speculators. ;D
So TM if I said to you that the Griffiths himself told me that he didn't have a full reco last year but the procedure that stabilises the joint etc whould he be lying too
Because I can tell you that's what he said earlier in the year when I meet him at a Club function
l not even talking about his operation last time so dont know what the other 2 bozos are on about.
l said its not a clean up this time. The current shoulder injury
go ask him for yourselves what damage is done to his shoulder
As for you Popelord your the biggest cocksmoker on this forum & some of the poo you come out with about me
If you want to lay your cards on the table then meet me & show your cards otherwise shut your stuffing trap ok
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It was reported at the time of his last shoulder surgery that they went to do a reco and found that they didn't need to do the full procedure. So if they are doing the same thing this time then it means they don't need a full reco. Not sure how hard that is to understand.
you really do need to stop beleiving the media, they are speculators. ;D
So TM if I said to you that the Griffiths himself told me that he didn't have a full reco last year but the procedure that stabilises the joint etc whould he be lying too
Because I can tell you that's what he said earlier in the year when I meet him at a Club function
l not even talking about his operation last time so dont know what the other 2 bozos are on about.
l said its not a clean up this time. The current shoulder injury
go ask him for yourselves what damage is done to his shoulder
As for you Popelord your the biggest cocksmoker on this forum & some of the poo you come out with about me
If you want to lay your cards on the table then meet me & show your cards otherwise shut your effing trap ok
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Your a broken old man that knows nothing about football, stop making up rubbish.
Meeting up with you is about the last thing I'd want to do, that's even including watching an A-League game live.
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[l not even talking about his operation last time so dont know what the other 2 bozos are on about.
l said its not a clean up this time. The current shoulder injury
go ask him for yourselves what damage is done to his shoulder
TMonk - I beleive this time round (well how's been explained to me) they are going in with the hope of only having to the structural clean up but may need to do a full reco. The surgeon needs to get in there first have a look, assess and they will go from there
As I said that's how it was explained to me
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I though he was getting an operation to tighten up the ligaments and stabalise the shoulder, so that it doesn't dislocate so easy.
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Stop embarrassing yourself.
Your a broken old man that knows nothing about football, stop making up rubbish.
Meeting up with you is about the last thing I'd want to do, that's even including watching an A-League game live.
Popelord you embarrass yourself, you raving on about something l never even said in my posts :rollin your a centrelink fool
btw this old man who is so broken is still getting a senior game, while you watch Terry Wallace on the TAC TV :rollin
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I though he was getting an operation to tighten up the ligaments and stabalise the shoulder, so that it doesn't dislocate so easy.
yep his getting more than a clean up AL
did you get my secret message ;D
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How many senior games are you up to now TM 950 or so :)
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Griffs misses due to injury and all of a sudden we lose. Talk about a lucky charm for us when he's playing :yep. He'll end the season with an undefeated record too which is something rare for a Tiger over the past 30 years. Hopefully the op went well and he's right for a full preseason and the start of 2011 :pray.
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From 'seenitall' on Y&B:
Griffo's surgery has been declared a complete success & he is already well ahead of the expected recovery schedule.
It seems he developed a fair bit after last year's operation & this put everything out of alignment again.
http://yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=339081&postcount=1240
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well he has 6 months to strengthen the shoulders, h opefully the win ratio can continue when he starts playing again.
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An interesting post on BF about Griffiths ......
Dimma mentioned a few things recently about Big Ben. Basically he said :
The only reason we got BB is he had dodgy shoulders.
The RFC knew he was going to do his shoulders at some point, just not when.
This meant they knew he was basically destined for reconstructions.
DH said that young players who have this injury, generally are able to adapt to the re-construction (presumably reduced mobility???) and are able to play well. In a nutshell it's unlikely he will have any further problems from them.
As a result they just wanted to get as many senior games into him last year before he did them so he could get his mind around playing senior footy.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19459608&postcount=5
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If griffsdid not have injury worries he would have not lasted to pick 19
long ten this could work out v well with griff and Martin being as strong as scully and trengrove.
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or he could continue to have shoulder probs.
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or he could continue to have shoulder probs.
The next Foley ? ... He is freakishly tall but hasent proved him self on AFL level like his fellow youngsters ... so far he is not in my good books
And for him to be the "next richo" (doubt it) he has got a mountian to climb with shows that dont fit that he needs to fill :thumbsup
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The next Foley
Hopefully Axe is over his probs. :pray
Griffo looks ok on the snippets we have seen of him, but a player that height who relies on his power marking certainly does not want weak shoulders.
We wouldn't even be taking Miller if they thought that Ben might have an impact this season.
If they have decided to cotton wool him fine but it ain't great for his or the team's development.
I'll start talking him up when he's back fit & healthy and making an impact. Not before.
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The next Foley
Hopefully Axe is over his probs. :pray
Griffo looks ok on the snippets we have seen of him, but a player that height who relies on his power marking certainly does not want weak shoulders.
We wouldn't even be taking Miller if they thought that Ben might have an impact this season.
If they have decided to cotton wool him fine but it ain't great for his or the team's development.
I'll start talking him up when he's back fit & healthy and making an impact. Not before.
Yes we would. Miller is insurance if either Jack or Griff get injured.
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or he could continue to have shoulder probs.
that's the gamble you have to take.
How else do you expect Richmond to attempt to make picks 3 & 19 as important as 1 & 2?
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Yes we would. Miller is insurance if either Jack or Griff get injured.
I think this is a ridiculous argument.
Insurance for what?
So we can play finals?
Just keep exposing kids.
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Yes we would. Miller is insurance if either Jack or Griff get injured.
I think this is a ridiculous argument.
Insurance for what?
So we can play finals?
Just keep exposing kids.
I think its to have depth to keep the structure consistent.
We can rest/rotate Jack and Griffo if they are injured, burnt out or out of form and not risk distablising a backline by pushing a settled Astbury or Post to fill a spot up forward.
Miller wont take precedence over promoting youth.
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Yeah it's not like we wont have enough kids running round anyway.
We're like a bloody under 13's side.
I have no problem using a rookie pick on Miller.
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I think its to have depth to keep the structure consistent.
That sums it up perfectly.
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If BG can get those shoulders 100% stable, BG will do massive damage!
:gotigers
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Griffiths plots his return
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 18 Jan, 2011
If Richmond wants to get the ball rolling in season 2011 with a first-up win, they’ll want to have Ben Griffiths on the park.
The 198cm forward played five games in his debut season last year, and the Tigers won every one of them.
Everything was going to plan early in the Griffiths career, making his debut against Port Adelaide in Round 10 after being selected with pick 19 in the 2009 National Draft.
But against Fremantle in Round 15, the 19-year-old landed awkwardly on his right shoulder, and four days later he was in hospital having a shoulder reconstruction.
“It felt like I was just starting to get used to the standard of AFL, and when I did the injury it was pretty disappointing,” Griffiths said.
“Dimma was really good in reinforcing that I’ve still got plenty of time, and it could be a blessing in disguise that I’m recovering now, rather than doing an injury in the pre season.
“I’ve been lucky enough to get five games under my belt, and that’s probably put me in better shape for this year.
“Hopefully I can play more games and improve on what I did last year.”
Griffiths spent the final weeks of the 2010 season, and the first portion of the current pre season, in the rehab group, working back the strength he lost from having surgery.
“It was slow initially, because it was a significant operation,” he said.
“It was pretty hard early on, because I couldn’t really move my arm for a while, and it probably took about eight weeks to get full motion back, but since then it’s been a lot quicker.
“It’s just really frustrating. You sit at home, and you can’t really sleep properly.
“Matt Hornsby (Elite Performance Manager) and Terry Condon (Rehab coach) have been really good in mapping out my program, and Kim Stephens (psychologist) has been really good to talk to.”
Last week, Griffiths joined his team-mates for his first competitive hitout on the training track, with a Round 1 return firmly in his sights.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/106777/default.aspx
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When he's played a dozen more games without any further shoulder issues I will start to get excited..
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
I'll be happy if we beat Carlton sure but I'll be a lot happier knowing Griffiths troublesome shoulder problems are behind him.
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
:lol
there will be a lot of ejaculate filled underwear at the MCG that night if that happens
:jump
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We all know that Grif is 5 wins from 5 games.......Tambling was 6 from 6 (not to open a can of worms).
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
:lol
there will be a lot of ejaculate filled underwear at the MCG that night if that happens
:jump
There'll be plenty before the first bounce with all those wanker ****ton supporters there
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
and Post and Taylor kick 2 each too 8)
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
and Post and Taylor kick 2 each too 8)
And Grigg bagging a lazy 5 in a 30+ possession game will top that all off nicely thanks! :gotigers
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I'd rather Griffs miss round 1 and take however long he needs to get his shoulder fully right than rush him back to play. We need him to be a 10-year player for us.
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When he's played a dozen more games without any further shoulder issues I will start to get excited..
When he's played a dozen games and he is still undefeated i will start to get excited!
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
and Post and Taylor kick 2 each too 8)
the best orgasm we would have! ... :rollin
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
I'l spray my man-tears all over Steven Kernihan's dawoo Lanos if that happens Girks! :thumbsup
:police:
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Ill do a jackson pollock on Twiggleys back if that happens, I will call it 'white poles' on a twig
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Ill do a jackson pollock on Twiggleys back if that happens, I will call it 'white poles' on a twig
The POV is always in the eye of the beholder
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
:lol
there will be a lot of ejaculate filled underwear at the MCG that night if that happens
:jump
There'll be plenty before the first bounce with all those wanker ****ton supporters there
When we win and when Grifo kicks 3 or 4 I'm going to grab the closest carlton supporter to me by the hair, ram my nob down his'her throat and say "i effing hate u ##*#s"
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Ill do a jackson pollock on Twiggleys back if that happens, I will call it 'white poles' on a twig
Just when you think you've read a funny post, along comes Brackets.........................
When we win and when Grifo kicks 3 or 4 I'm going to grab the closest carlton supporter to me by the hair, ram my nob down his'her throat and say "i effing hate u ##*#s"
:rollin :rollin
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:lol
i think the Caligula squad sit next to the grog squad yeah?
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
:lol
there will be a lot of ejaculate filled underwear at the MCG that night if that happens
:jump
There'll be plenty before the first bounce with all those wanker ****ton supporters there
When we win and when Grifo kicks 3 or 4 I'm going to grab the closest carlton supporter to me by the hair, ram my nob down his'her throat and say "i effing hate u ##*#s"
Ill capture the footage on my phone and put it on You Tube!
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:lol
all class ox :thumbsup
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was a big nite.......
lmao@ posting at 5.45 am.
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geez i will just be pleased if we play him, he can then manage more than 3 or 4 possesions a game and make a reasonable contribution.which is about all we have got from him so far.
if not let him learn at coburg.
geez his games have been very ordinary and imo he did very well to get the 5 games he did.
to me he was given a taste of the big time and he should continue to get the odd game for his development.
but in the main we should be making him earn a game and when he does play he must do enough to warrant keeping him in the side.
there is no hurry with this kid dodgy shoulders two ops and not a huge amount of footy says lets go slow. surely riewoldt post astbury and miller can hold the fort while he proves he is ready to make some sort of contribution at the level.
theres a lot of hype surrounding this kid and to be honest i cant really see what hes done to deserve it.
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198cm,solid,good hands - whats not to like.
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198cm,solid,good hands - whats not to like.
you could add quick for his size agile and a pretty good kick.
like most young draftees there is lots to like. didnt say he has no potential just quering what hes achieved thus far to warrant all the hype.
his 5 games thus far have been very ordinary. hes barely got those good hands on the pill.
the thing is we should not be expecting big things from him especially after another shoulder prob.
there is nothing wrong with him proving his worth and showing he deserves a senior game by performing well at coburg and getting more than 3 possesions.
whats better for his development 3 or 4 possesion games at richmond or a good solid block of 15 20 possession games with 2 or 4 goals a game thrown in at coburg.
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You'll cream your dacks if he kicks 3 and we beat ****ton R1
:lol
there will be a lot of ejaculate filled underwear at the MCG that night if that happens
:jump
There'll be plenty before the first bounce with all those wanker ****ton supporters there
When we win and when Grifo kicks 3 or 4 I'm going to grab the closest carlton supporter to me by the hair, ram my nob down his'her throat and say "i effing hate u ##*#s"
Great use of words and Mods im sorry no other word perfectly describes those pieces of scum down at princess park
bad batch of disco biscuits again Brackets.. Funny poo
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I love you guys :thumbsup
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was a big nite.......
lmao@ posting at 5.45 am.
thats funny! I hope your not on facey! Dangerous site to post at 5-45 am!
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198cm,solid,good hands - whats not to like.
you could add quick for his size agile and a pretty good kick.
like most young draftees there is lots to like. didnt say he has no potential just quering what hes achieved thus far to warrant all the hype.
his 5 games thus far have been very ordinary. hes barely got those good hands on the pill.
the thing is we should not be expecting big things from him especially after another shoulder prob.
there is nothing wrong with him proving his worth and showing he deserves a senior game by performing well at coburg and getting more than 3 possesions.
whats better for his development 3 or 4 possesion games at richmond or a good solid block of 15 20 possession games with 2 or 4 goals a game thrown in at coburg.
Agree Claw. Good post.
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Next up is Big Ben. Not big on stats yet but he finished his debut year with a 100% winning record.
What are your expectations for Griffs in 2011 and what would be a good year for him?
Career so far:
Games Kicks Hballs Disp. Marks Tackles G.B In50 1%ers
2010 5 1.6 2.2 3.8 0.8 1.2 3.0 1.2 1.6
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2026
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2010019
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2011 Richmond Player Countdown - 38 Ben Griffiths
http://fightingfury.tumblr.com/
Richmond picked Griffiths in the 2009 draft knowing that he had shoulder problems, but also knowing that this big lump of a kid had huge potential. Both were on display in Ben’s 2010 season.
It took until round 10 against Port Adelaide for Griffiths to make his long awaited debut. He managed only 5 disposals in the wet conditions before injuring his shoulder. He came back in the Round 12 match against West Coast and managed to hold his spot until he injured his shoulders again in the Round 15 clash against Fremantle. This time the Tigers booked Ben in for surgery, ending his season prematurely. In that short time however, Griffths managed to show the Richmond faithful that he may very well be the answer to their long term CHF problem. An interesting side note in Griffiths appearances is that in the 5 games he played for Richmond in 2010, his team won every single one. Let’s hope that’s a sign for the future!
With his booming kicks and solid grabs it would appear that Ben is set to play a very prominent role in future Richmond sides. I would expect that we will see much more of Griffiths in 2011 as Damien Hardwick looks to get as much experience into his young key forwards as possible. Hopefully Ben’s shoulders have healed up well and we can see plenty more of his long bomb goals for years to come.
http://fightingfury.tumblr.com/
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Hell just to stay injury free.
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Hell just to stay injury free.
That's obvious. We can only hope the shoulders are right.
Assuming he's fit I'd like to see greater involvement and more physicality up forward this year from Griff.
He's young but he's a huge lad and can really influence contests if he throws himself around up forward.
Also the word is that they're hoping he can pinch hit in the ruck. How his shoulders will go with that is yet to be seen.
20 goals from 14 games for Ben is not unreasonable to hope for this year.
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I'd be happy with 10-12 games and 10-15 goals
Really can't expect a 198cm kid in his 2nd year to offer much more than that, if he did he would be miles ahead of schedule
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Mr Magic I think you would be on the money...14 games and 20 goals with the odd bag of 4 goals...is realistic.
Ideally 22 games and his body (read shoulders) holding up is what we would be after. But very few key forwards play all 22 games.
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If he stays fit 15+ games
But considering he probably wont be match ready by round 1 I'd be happy with 10-12 games with say 2 goals a game
Will be a very good player at FF for us over the next decade :thumbsup
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Would be great if he played more than 12 games and kicked 20 plus goals for the season.
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Would just be great if he played at this stage.
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Would just be great if he played at this stage.
Exactly, some of the expectations listed here are ridiculous
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He will probably be inconsistent in 2011 like all second year players.
If he stays fit there is no reason why he cant have a "break out" game this year.
Back in 2008, Jack Riewoldt kicked a "bag" of 5 in just his 19th game of AFL football. It would be fantastic to see Ben Griffiths do something similar.It would also give us supporters great hope for the future too.
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Would just be great if he played at this stage.
Exactly, some of the expectations listed here are ridiculous
I would hardly call the following "Ridiculous expectations"
Staying fit & injury free
12 to 15 games
14 to 20 goals
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Would just be great if he played at this stage.
Exactly, some of the expectations listed here are ridiculous
I would hardly call the following "Ridiculous expectations"
Staying fit & injury free
12 to 15 games
14 to 20 goals
For a 2nd year 199cm key forward coming off a shoulder reco, yes they are
Anything over a goal a game is optimistic, especially 2 goals a game, some career key forwards are lucky to average 2 goals a game
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Id be happy if he just kicked his 2 or 3 ea week to support JR8, he might tear a side a new one every now and then
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Id be happy if he just kicked his 2 or 3 ea week to support JR8, he might tear a side a new one every now and then
2 goals a week would would be an incredible effort.
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A wonder if Vickery starts to constently perform as a tall forward how this will effect Griffith's? We are more than likely going to have three talls in the forwardline from this point on - FF, CHF and resting/2nd ruck - so perhaps there is room for both Vickery and Griffiths. Will be an interesting year to see how our forwardline develops and who ends up cementing their place in the F50. I hope Griffiths is one.
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I'm still hoping Vickery develops into the Spida Everitt type player who can ruck for much of the game then rest in the forward pocket. With the new substitute rule this will be very beneficial to the rotations also if he can play out a full game this way.
I see Riewoldt, Griffiths & Taylor being our more permanent forwards as they are all very different types and should compliment each other
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I have zero expectations for him at senior level. Don't care if he spends the year at Coburg. Any senior games at this stage of his development is a bonus as far as I'm concerned. I'd be rapt if he gets another 5-10 games into him and averaged a goal a game. Very early days for Big Ben.
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I'll be happy if the kid stays injury free plays a minimum of about 15 games with a long continuous stint in the senior team and shows improvement on what he showed us from last year. :thumbsup
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I'll be happy if the kid stays injury free plays a minimum of about 15 games with a long continuous stint in the senior team and shows improvement on what he showed us from last year. :thumbsup
first of all him to be given games. but i fully expect him to be dropped if he can only find the ball 3 or 4 times a game at the level.
at richmond this yr i hope we start to make the kids no all players earn a spot and not be gifted games when struggling.
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I'll be happy if the kid stays injury free plays a minimum of about 15 games with a long continuous stint in the senior team and shows improvement on what he showed us from last year. :thumbsup
first of all him to be given games. but i fully expect him to be dropped if he can only find the ball 3 or 4 times a game at the level.
at richmond this yr i hope we start to make the kids no all players earn a spot and not be gifted games when struggling.
I think he was given games last season despite his low possesion numbers because of how he helps our forward structure and frees up Jack a little more. :thumbsup Having said that I think if he stays healthy, he will be given more games in the seniors and will show a lot more this season in the games he plays than he did last year.
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I agree with JV. He was an excellent foil for Jack. The opposition knew he could take a good grab and they knew he is dangerous from 60 out with his massive boot so that in itself is a real bonus to the team even if he only gets single figure stats.
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A wonder if Vickery starts to constently perform as a tall forward how this will effect Griffith's? We are more than likely going to have three talls in the forwardline from this point on - FF, CHF and resting/2nd ruck - so perhaps there is room for both Vickery and Griffiths. Will be an interesting year to see how our forwardline develops and who ends up cementing their place in the F50. I hope Griffiths is one.
reiwoldt. Vickery. Griffiths. Should turn into a John brown. Lynch. Bradshaw trio.
8)
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The Club is being cautious with Ben given his history of having two shoulder reconstructions. Issues with them last year; he had significant surgery done at end of last season. We always said we are not going by a timeframe but by measurables; certain criteria he needs to reach before playing. It's pleasing to see he has ticked most of those boxes. It just means more confidence his body will stand up when we throw him back into full body contact.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/343016/default.aspx
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Good to hear we are being cautious. 2011 isn't that important as we are still a young developing side likely to finish bottom 4. The key for us is to get his shoulders right for AFL intensity and become a 10 year player for us hopefully.
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Put him in cotton wool, and a body builders diet for the next 12 months ready for Round 1 next season. Who cares about Griffo this year pack on some kgs and have a monster, strengthening those shoulders for 2012 lol
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It may be that nobody is able to answer this question, but what are the chances of Griff getting over his shoulder problems, enough for him to play consecutive seasons?
I dont know much about his problems or the surgery he has had.
I've just got a bad feeling that he is just gonnna be one of those 'potential' players that spends their whole career on the sidelines.
Fingers crossed, im wrong. :pray
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It may be that nobody is able to answer this question, but what are the chances of Griff getting over his shoulder problems, enough for him to play consecutive seasons?I dont know much about his problems or the surgery he has had.
I've just got a bad feeling that he is just gonnna be one of those 'potential' players that spends their whole career on the sidelines.
Fingers crossed, im wrong. :pray
History tells me that Wayne Carey was just as good if not better after he had his shoulder recos. Judd had shoulder problems when he started (recos in his TAC days IIRC) - look at him now, winning brownlows, not getting pinged for holding the ball
Not for a minute am I saying Griffiths is Carey or Judd but players can recover but it is a slow process.
I think I've mentioned this before (probably on this thread) but I know someone who plays footy and has had a shoulder reco and they've said to me that it really takes 2 season to get over a shoulder reco. The first season after the op is all about getting full movement back in the shoulder joint & regaining confidence in it especially overhead marking. Season 2 means you've had another year to get extra strength in it meaning full confidence in the shoulder
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Thanks WP. I feel a little better now.
Has Griff had surgery before?
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Thanks WP. I feel a little better now.
Has Griff had surgery before?
I remember talking to him last year (beginning of 2010) just after he had some surgery to his shoulder and I asked him that question. He said then that NO he hadn't had a shoulder reco and that the surgery like a clean-ups of the joint.
this time round he has had a full shoulder reco
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thats good to know. :thumbsup
hopefully this surgery can sought it right out, long-term.
thanks mate.
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This kid and the success of this kids development holds so much hope in the future of the RFC .
Right now we are predictable and we are scoring goals every 3 or so forays forward. A fit and firing Griffiths will almost halve that ratio make us slightly less predictable and bring other players into the game in our forward line. Unless trends go back to flooding if Griff develops and with Jack firing at FF we could be kicking on avg 15-20 goals a game.
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Judd had shoulder problems when he started (recos in his TAC days IIRC) - look at him now, winning brownlows, not getting pinged for holding the ball
;D
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I think I've mentioned this before (probably on this thread) but I know someone who plays footy and has had a shoulder reco and they've said to me that it really takes 2 season to get over a shoulder reco. The first season after the op is all about getting full movement back in the shoulder joint & regaining confidence in it especially overhead marking. Season 2 means you've had another year to get extra strength in it meaning full confidence in the shoulder
Yerah well lets wait and see. Every case is different.
I know a guy who's had his shoulder reconstructed too and it will pop virtually pop out again when he coughs.
Had to give away footy it was so chronic.
Fingers crossed for the big Griff.
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Judd had shoulder problems when he started (recos in his TAC days IIRC) - look at him now, winning brownlows, not getting pinged for holding the ball
;D
Maybe the shoulder is not quite right and that allows him to go around in a 360.
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How soon do we forget? Bet the football public has! In for a big shock when this monster joins a confident young team on the rise.
Don't let the door hit you on the rs on the way out Miller
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How soon do we forget? Bet the football public has! In for a big shock when this monster joins a confident young team on the rise.
Don't let the door hit you on the rs on the way out Miller
Not that I'm a fan but I think Miller will be in the seniors for a while as Griffiths has only just came back and played a half in the VFL ressies. If Miller is forced out sooner it'll be more due to Postie finding consistently good form up forward at Coburg. Miller still can't kick straight although it's probably why he kicked the hard one from the pocket lol.
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Miller is going ok! Is it four games for three wins for Brad? We have recruited worse in the past!
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Think Miller has been good
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Miller is going ok! Is it four games for three wins for Brad? We have recruited worse in the past!
True he is going ok but he's not a long-term solution. Eventually he's need to be moved aside for one of our young tall forwards to come in and play his role.
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Should be Post's spot, only has himself to blame, Miller gives what he has, Jayden could learn.
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Don't understand the point of this thread after the win today
Miller has been a key part of our forward line functioning so well in our 3 straight wins
I am sure he will step aside when someone is demanding his spot, but until then he stays, there is no rush to get Griffiths playing, we just need to make sure his body is 100% ready
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Miller has straightened us up and he has demanded a defender which has freed up Jack.
Dare I say it we may have had an extra win if MIller was in the side from Round 1.
That's the beauty of it he knows once Post, Griifiths, Astbury whoever makes CHF their own he is in the side and that has enabled him to be himself and contribute.
As someone posted we have done worse with our drafting from players from other clubs over the years.
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stuff post.
Miller is working nicely,
Cant kick but working nicely ;D
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Get him 110% at Coburg.
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Miller deserves his spot - theres little doubt he has given our fwd line much needed structure which has brought TV and the smalls into it. Leave him in and let Griffiths/Post and co watch and learn
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Don't understand the point of this thread after the win today
Miller has been a key part of our forward line functioning so well in our 3 straight wins
I am sure he will step aside when someone is demanding his spot, but until then he stays, there is no rush to get Griffiths playing, we just need to make sure his body is 100% ready
It was in the main on how well Griffiths will fit in when he gets back.
Couldn't help myself had to have a dig at Miller to finish off.
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Don't understand the point of this thread after the win today
Miller has been a key part of our forward line functioning so well in our 3 straight wins
I am sure he will step aside when someone is demanding his spot, but until then he stays, there is no rush to get Griffiths playing, we just need to make sure his body is 100% ready
It was in the main on how well Griffiths will fit in when he gets back.
Couldn't help myself had to have a dig at Miller to finish off.
Would have had no problem with the thread if you only made it about Griffiths, the dig at Miller was completely unnecessary
He's a Richmond player now, he's playing well, bloody support him as he's not holding any of our kids back and we are playing much better with him in the side
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may not be the most talented footballer but he's got some smarts has Miller.
at one stage his opponent had a free kick/mark and the ball was at Millers feet. Three times he acted as if he was going to pick it up before the freo bloke woke up that he had no intention of picking it up and went and got it himself.
A smart ploy that bought the team time to set up their defensive patterns. :thumbsup
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agree with comments that miller deserves his spot and that he has straightened us up. He makes a contest
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Fair enough he holds his spot 'Just' at the moment doesn't mean I have to like him.
And I support the whole team every Bloody week, in Melbourne at least! and a couple away.
Griffiths will be an excellent inclusion I reckon.
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Miller has straightened us up and he has demanded a defender which has freed up Jack.
Dare I say it we may have had an extra win if MIller was in the side from Round 1.
That's the beauty of it he knows once Post, Griifiths, Astbury whoever makes CHF their own he is in the side and that has enabled him to be himself and contribute.
As someone posted we have done worse with our drafting from players from other clubs over the years.
Spot on :thumbsup
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I know this thread is about Griff but since we are talking about Miller, did anyone see yesterday when Miller kicked that goal in the last quarter, Jack came up to him and gave him advice on kicking for goal. It was just something short and simple and I think it was something to do with his drop of the footy to his foot, but it worked. Jack is more than just a star full forward, he is a leader and lives and breaths this wonderful club.
With blokes like Newey, Cotch and Jack leading this club, we are in great hands.
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Big Ben is back :)
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Big Ben is back :)
surely cat & mouse
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Let him play
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Sub??
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Thanks WP. I feel a little better now.
Has Griff had surgery before?
I remember talking to him last year (beginning of 2010) just after he had some surgery to his shoulder and I asked him that question. He said then that NO he hadn't had a shoulder reco and that the surgery like a clean-ups of the joint.
this time round he has had a full shoulder reco
I remember you saying this WP.
Good signs
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Ben Griffiths was subbed off in the second quarter after running into Jeremy Laidler in a marking contest and suffering bruised ribs.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/117644/default.aspx
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Ben Griffiths was subbed off in the second quarter after running into Jeremy Laidler in a marking contest and suffering bruised ribs.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/117644/default.aspx
Reckon, by the look of him sitting on the bench on the replay, that Ben's ribs might have been bruised by all the loose bones rattling around in his chest.
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Griffiths fine if no internal bleeding will be right for essendon
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Griffiths fine if no internal bleeding will be right for essendon
Yep Doc Larkins said the same thing on the Sunday Footy Show yesterday. No mention of Griffiths on our updated injury list so fingers crossed he's okay :pray
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Griffiths fine if no internal bleeding will be right for essendon
Yep Doc Larkins said the same thing on the Sunday Footy Show yesterday. No mention of Griffiths on our updated injury list so fingers crossed he's okay :pray
Herald-Sun website has "Ben Grifiths (ribs) test".
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RFC site has Ben Griffiths (Ribs) TBA
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So does anyone know how Griff is???
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So does anyone know how Griff is???
Hornsby said Griffs had a scan after the game and got the 'all clear'. Trained well today and is not a unrealistic chance to play this weekend. They'll see how he trains later in the week and they're hoping he'll get himself right to play.
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So does anyone know how Griff is???
Hornsby said Griffs had a scan after the game and got the 'all clear'. Trained well today and is not a unrealistic chance to play this weekend. They'll see how he trains later in the week and they're hoping he'll get himself right to play.
Cheers OE
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it appears this boy is a bit soft
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it appears this boy is a bit soft
I would have thought more "unlucky" than soft.....
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it appears this boy is a bit soft
At least he aint a pathetic piece of spam hey ?
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you must be joking, he get injured because he puts his body on the line.
Griff will be a very good player for the Tiges sooner rather than later
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it appears this boy is a bit soft
At least he aint a pathetic piece of spam hey ?
..or a troll.
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it appears this boy is a bit soft
Soft because he copped a kick/knee to the the ribs
I don't think so
Could have suffered some serious damage.
Good to hear that he hasn't got busted ribs - they can be bloody painfully (speaking from experience)
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That sniper Waite needs to be repaid in the same way his old man was Balmey, McGhie and McLean little b1atch.
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it appears this boy is a bit soft
Soft because he copped a kick/knee to the the ribs
I don't think so
Could have suffered some serious damage.
Good to hear that he hasn't got busted ribs - they can be bloody painfully (speaking from experience)
scans revealed nothing
sure he may have been winded, maybe even bruised, but u suck it up and keep going
he stayed down like he was shot. but he was just winded, he was kneed in the abs and never came back\
francis bourke and jack dyer would have laughed it off
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scans revealed nothing
sure he may have been winded, maybe even bruised, but u suck it up and keep going
he stayed down like he was shot. but he was just winded, he was kneed in the abs and never came back\
francis bourke and jack dyer would have laughed it off
doctors made the call to sub him off
I reckon considering the imjury problems he has had they did the right thing
And let's be honest would you have wanted to go back on the ground to be part of "that" :rollin
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scans revealed nothing
sure he may have been winded, maybe even bruised, but u suck it up and keep going
he stayed down like he was shot. but he was just winded, he was kneed in the abs and never came back\
francis bourke and jack dyer would have laughed it off
doctors made the call to sub him off
I reckon considering the imjury problems he has had they did the right thing
And let's be honest would you have wanted to go back on the ground to be part of "that" :rollin
lol
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I must say,throughout the day (after reading he was a possible starter this week),I questioned his inability to get up as well.
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I must say,throughout the day (after reading he was a possible starter this week),I questioned his inability to get up as well.
as i said he has no ticker, soft
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You can bruise/injure them and the tissue around and between them and when you do it hurts like stuff to breath and raise your arm etc. so how bout you cut the poor bastard a bit of slack you rotten sodomites.
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I just want to say I trust the medical staff, coaches, players, supporters, past players, catering staff and boot studders, in fact anyone who has every seen or heard of the RFC to make the exact right decision on each and every issue that comes up. Ever.
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I just want to say I trust the medical staff, coaches, players, supporters, past players, catering staff and boot studders, in fact anyone who has every seen or heard of the RFC to make the exact right decision on each and every issue that comes up. Ever.
i dont trust the med staff, can tell u many times when they have messed up too
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I just want to say I trust the medical staff, coaches, players, supporters, past players, catering staff and boot studders, in fact anyone who has every seen or heard of the RFC to make the exact right decision on each and every issue that comes up. Ever.
i dont trust the med staff, can tell u many times when they have messed up too
Yeah, most of the time in the past when they have messed up has been playing players when they shouldnt have.
But dont let that stop you. continue with your foolish ways
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Griffiths has been named so he's okay and playing this week :thumbsup.
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Griffiths has been named so he's okay and playing this week :thumbsup.
Late change for Gus.....
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gus in, thursfield out
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gus in, thursfield out
Is that your thoughts peggles or do you know something?
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gus in, thursfield out
Is that your thoughts peggles or do you know something?
that's purely my thoughts/wish MT
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gus in, thursfield out
Is that your thoughts peggles or do you know something?
that's purely my thoughts/wish MT
Has pure merit that wish, thought hunch call it what you will. :thumbsup
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Played a great game Griffiths ;D Just what l expected weak as pee that lad
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Played a great game Griffiths ;D Just what l expected weak as pee that lad
What makes you say that TM?
He was knocked out the week before when playing for the Burgers! Do you think this may have been part of the reason why he was subbed off? Or the fact that he has had two shoulders ops?
He lasted longer out there than most ordinary people would!
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Played a great game Griffiths ;D Just what l expected weak as pee that lad
give him a break monk , he had a sore tummy
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Played a great game Griffiths ;D Just what l expected weak as pee that lad
What makes you say that TM?
He was knocked out the week before when playing for the Burgers! Do you think this may have been part of the reason why he was subbed off? Or the fact that he has had two shoulders ops?
He lasted longer out there than most ordinary people would!
but the poor boy does have a weak tummy, i have no doubt that he has great potential and ability but seriously, he does appear very soft
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who's that trip trapping over my bridge?
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Played a great game Griffiths ;D Just what l expected weak as pee that lad
What makes you say that TM?
He was knocked out the week before when playing for the Burgers! Do you think this may have been part of the reason why he was subbed off? Or the fact that he has had two shoulders ops?
He lasted longer out there than most ordinary people would!
but the poor boy does have a weak tummy, i have no doubt that he has great potential and ability but seriously, he does appear very soft
He is a skinny kid in his second year! I am glad you said he does appear soft!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, we all have one and in time you may be proven correct but i'll wait for some concrete evidence before i'll label a kid!
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who's that trip trapping over my bridge?
:lol I should know better!
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His weak as pee as l said, that was a soft knock.
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who's that trip trapping over my bridge?
I'll take the bait, the magpie troll is back
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seen him go back with the flight into massive packs too many times to question this kid's courage or fortitude
few sad old eunuch keyboard warriors that are weak as
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Played a great game Griffiths ;D Just what l expected weak as pee that lad
Save it for Pope TM. ;D
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who's that trip trapping over my bridge?
3 Billy Goats Gruff Al.
Don't know whether it was the first or second but hoping it was the third. ;)
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Keep going Piemonk and you might even win the Andrew Bolt award for general coksuckery.
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might? :lol
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He'd be a monty for the Steve Price Hand Shandy trophy too
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He'd be a monty for the Steve Price Hand Shandy trophy too
Where do you guys come up with this crap? :lol :rollin :lol
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His weak as pee as l said, that was a soft knock.
Two words. Penis envy.
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:laugh:
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Yep Big Ben is weak. That's why he's playing tonight after being crunched in ribs last week :wallywink.
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gus in, thursfield out
Is that your thoughts peggles or do you know something?
that's purely my thoughts/wish MT
Has pure merit that wish, thought hunch call it what you will. :thumbsup
Agree Tucky. That's why I asked peggles. It's a worthy wish given we have Rance, McGaune and Batchelor as well in defence. Thursty could be surplus.
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showed a fair bit tonight. one of the few positives.
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showed a fair bit tonight. one of the few positives.
Agree Ramps. Moves well for a 198cm bloke and has good hands and footskills for his size. Not his fault the ball didn't come down to the forward line in the final 40 minutes.
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One of the few positives
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showed a fair bit tonight. one of the few positives.
He is freakishly good. Just needs games and luck with injury.
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Great game by Benny G.
Future is bright with some luck.
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Looks pretty majestic when he meets the ball out in front. Not a defender in the game will be able to stop that on the lead
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Turned me on tonight with a couple of big grabs, then helped me find relief with his one hand mark and goal.
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jim jess
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I love that he takes marks with one grab with both feet off the ground. Big and sure hands. :thumbsup
Remember his first game against Port last year in the mud took some real classy one grab marks.
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Looked great just need to get games into him,but gez we seen glimpes.
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Great game. Marking a highlight
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Not his fault the ball didn't come down to the forward line in the final 40 minutes.
Or that he was actually on the pine after being subbed. ;D
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Not his fault the ball didn't come down to the forward line in the final 40 minutes.
Or that he was actually on the pine after being subbed. ;D
:rollin
You know it took until the 17 min mark of the last Qtr to announce he had been subbed?
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Not his fault the ball didn't come down to the forward line in the final 40 minutes.
Or that he was actually on the pine after being subbed. ;D
:rollin
You know it took until the 17 min mark of the last Qtr to announce he had been subbed?
Yeah, pretty sure it was early in the last quarter as I vaguely remember Hislop getting a mention early on but the commentators didn't mention it until much later.
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I have a bit of a "don't bad Hardwick" mentality as 18 months into a rebuild he's sort of off limits for me. His critisms will come into his 3rd year.
But..
Who ever made the decision to put Griffiths into the ruck should be hung out to dry.
I'm not suggesting putting the kid in cotton wool. But after 2 Shoulder Recos and all the hype around that hes injury prone, and has all the talent in the world. What planet would anyone think it would be a good idea to put the kid in the ruck..
I'm more than happy for the coaching staff to make wrong decisions by having a gamble, ie Helbig down back, Post in ruck, even selecting Hislop.
But the decision to put a currently fragile Rolls Royce into the ruck against a dirty Ryder and physical Hille was about the stupidest decision the coaching panel has made in 2 seasons.
Very lucky he didn't re injure his ribs or shoulder. Would have been hell to pay.
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I have a bit of a "don't bad Hardwick" mentality as 18 months into a rebuild he's sort of off limits for me. His critisms will come into his 3rd year.
But..
Who ever made the decision to put Griffiths into the ruck should be hung out to dry.
I'm not suggesting putting the kid in cotton wool. But after 2 Shoulder Recos and all the hype around that hes injury prone, and has all the talent in the world. What planet would anyone think it would be a good idea to put the kid in the ruck..
I'm more than happy for the coaching staff to make wrong decisions by having a gamble, ie Helbig down back, Post in ruck, even selecting Hislop.
But the decision to put a currently fragile Rolls Royce into the ruck against a dirty Ryder and physical Hille was about the stupidest decision the coaching panel has made in 2 seasons.
Very lucky he didn't re injure his ribs or shoulder. Would have been hell to pay.
According to Tigermonk, he is not fragile, but soft!
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He has elite speed for a big bloke - example: he runs them down from behind ( got another free kock last light)
Courage has never been an issue with Ben its alway been having too much of it. The reason he has had so many weeks off is because of how hard he smashed in as a junior.
I for one was proud of his game and hope its the start of many for the Tiges - who was up against again - was it a first gamer ;D
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Was staggered he got subbed off to be honest
Jackson should have been subbed ;D
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one thing was bloody obvious, as soon as he was subbed off for that eff head herslop, we lost our structure and could not score
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Was staggered he got subbed off to be honest
Jackson should have been subbed ;D
100% agree.
Looked to have cramped in the 3rd qtr though, looking forward to a hopeful injury free pre season for Big BG
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one thing was bloody obvious, as soon as he was subbed off for that eff head herslop, we lost our structure and could not score
rubbish we had poor forward structure all night.
how many of our goals were not opportunist or from free kicks ( some dubious)?
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Our coaches are FUDGING MUPPETS!
Griffiths can play! Kick the FUDGING football high to Griffiths.
But NOOOOOOO!
We don't play direct!
We like to Substitute him for a piece of planket like Tom Hislop who is H-Wick's favourite!
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;D
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Looks like Griff can mark, Griff can kick and Griff can run.
Fair enough, he was playing on Harry Taylor on the weekend and the delivery out of the back half was woeful, but, as Captain Blood would have said, "He was getting where the ball weren't!" Taylor was also blocking him out of contests he did get to, pretty easily.
It's clear he will benefit from a pre-season where he can build some muscle rather than concentrate on rehab. Can you build a tank and muscle at the same time?
Run Griff, Run!
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The reincarnation of David Bourke :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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The reincarnation of David Bourke :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
David Bourke didnt have 1/10th the talent of this boy. Griffiths can play IMHO.
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Griffith can play. Give him time.
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agree
don't put guff anywhere near the ruck
I have a bit of a "don't bad Hardwick" mentality as 18 months into a rebuild he's sort of off limits for me. His critisms will come into his 3rd year.
But..
Who ever made the decision to put Griffiths into the ruck should be hung out to dry.
I'm not suggesting putting the kid in cotton wool. But after 2 Shoulder Recos and all the hype around that hes injury prone, and has all the talent in the world. What planet would anyone think it would be a good idea to put the kid in the ruck..
I'm more than happy for the coaching staff to make wrong decisions by having a gamble, ie Helbig down back, Post in ruck, even selecting Hislop.
But the decision to put a currently fragile Rolls Royce into the ruck against a dirty Ryder and physical Hille was about the stupidest decision the coaching panel has made in 2 seasons.
Very lucky he didn't re injure his ribs or shoulder. Would have been hell to pay.
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The reincarnation of David Bourke :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Embarrassing...
What do you have against Ben? Did he sleep with your daughter or mrs?
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it IS his mrs.
plus 'm backing Griffo in,so long as he puts in the hard yards.
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A full pre season and I'm hoping this kid will come on nicely.
I like the fact he takes one grab marks. Has very strong hands.
Remember a speccy he took in his first game against Port in the mud. :thumbsup
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Just needs time. Has the tools to be more than handy.
I dont agree with some that our list is that dire at the moment. Few glaring holes, yes, but when players like Griff, Concs and Batch really step up and join our other young guns, which im confident will happen in time, then I think we'l be OK. Clearly still a lot to turn over, but many of the building blocks are there.
Waiting blows though...
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A full pre season and I'm hoping this kid will come on nicely.
I like the fact he takes one grab marks. Has very strong hands.
Remember a speccy he took in his first game against Port in the mud. :thumbsup
Along with his run down tackles and booming kick.
The kid could be a gun, just needs luck with injuries.
Can confirm is a great kid so attitude shouldnt be an issue at all.
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The reincarnation of David Bourke :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Embarrassing...
What do you have against Ben? Did he sleep with your daughter or mrs?
your not very intelligent are you with your cheap shots but thats what l expect when l caught you out liar haha
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David Bourke took some great screamers & played a hand full of good games ;D
But had weak wings not even KFC could fix :rollin
Jumpin Jack fool Rewoldt will destroy Griffiths shoulders by jumping all over him :help because he thinks the forward line is all his.
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The reincarnation of David Bourke :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
you are kidding right Tigermonk? lol!
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The reincarnation of David Bourke :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
you are kidding right Tigermonk? lol!
watch this space for future updates ;D
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Griffith can play. Give him time.
Well said.
Needs to build his engine to get to more contests and continue to build his strength. Those things can be worked on.
However this guy has the footballing tools to be elite.
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The reincarnation of David Bourke :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
you are kidding right Tigermonk? lol!
watch this space for future updates ;D
The pearls of wisdom from a stunted mind?
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Probably will follow a similiar development time line to Vickery. Has another couple of years to even start to show consistency. Just needs a chance to have a season injury free where he can build up his size, endurance, understanding and confidence but as MM said, he has what can't be taught or developed - ability.
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Probably will follow a similiar development time line to Vickery. Has another couple of years to even start to show consistency. Just needs a chance to have a season injury free where he can build up his size, endurance, understanding and confidence but as MM said, he has what can't be taught or developed - ability.
Great post, i think he will a super player in years to come.
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Probably will follow a similiar development time line to Vickery. Has another couple of years to even start to show consistency. Just needs a chance to have a season injury free where he can build up his size, endurance, understanding and confidence but as MM said, he has what can't be taught or developed - ability.
He shows a lot more natural skill than Vickers though. Moves very nicely, that massive kick, and despite his shakey start with the shoulders, a solid mark.
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Griff is a very brave (sometimes wreckless) player and has plenty of talent but his development has been very badly handled, should never have played AFL last year or proberbley this year, his smarts, positioning and self preservation are a long way off ( 3 years behind a player like Jack Watts and he is still struggling) , we should all hope his poor development doesn't hinder his future
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Griff is a very brave (sometimes wreckless) player and has plenty of talent but his development has been very badly handled, should never have played AFL last year or proberbley this year, his smarts, positioning and self preservation are a long way off ( 3 years behind a player like Jack Watts and he is still struggling) , we should all hope his poor development doesn't hinder his future
Yor your theory on development is to not play the players at all? FFS dude get a grip!
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Griff is a very brave (sometimes wreckless) player and has plenty of talent but his development has been very badly handled, should never have played AFL last year or proberbley this year, his smarts, positioning and self preservation are a long way off ( 3 years behind a player like Jack Watts and he is still struggling) , we should all hope his poor development doesn't hinder his future
Hm.. I'd have to disagree. Griffiths is now and will continue to be superior in the air than someone like Watts. Watts is a full rounded player who is also dangerous on the ground, similar to Jack Riewoldt, that is where his value will be A Grade in the air and A Grade on the ground, where as Griffiths will grow to hopefully be Elite in the Air with C-B Grade at ground level. Not sure how you'd put a figure of 3 years behind someone, what is that based off?
Watts is also a number 1 draft pick and a year ahead of Griffiths in age. So you'd expect him to be further developed anyway. Not mentioning the fact tha Griffiths has been injured about 50% of the time of being an AFL player compared to Watts injury free career.
Griffiths development is fine, great set of hands and beat Fletcher one on one a few times. He's going nicely.
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I have heard (non big footy, pre etc) that this may happen and Carlton are red hot for it. Kane Lucas linked perhaps?
I sure hope not
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maybe his shoulder is stuffed and we know he wont play much in future :shh
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Or maybe he will never reach his potential and his currency is high.I say trade
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If true maybe DT is on the money. Lucas goes to WC, Brown/Stevens to Richmond, Griff to Carlton. Should try get Brown and Stevens otherwise keep Griff. ;D
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I have heard (non big footy, pre etc) that this may happen and Carlton are red hot for it. Kane Lucas linked perhaps?
I sure hope not
Gotta love rumours :lol
Re this one - hmmmm don't think so unless we intend to keep Brad Miller for the next 5 years ;D
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Going to play Posty CHF instead ;D
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On another note I heard Astbury will be CHF next year. Griff to be tried down back.
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We're developing some good young talls so wouldn't be surprised. Though apart from Posty and Griffo I haven't seen any of them take exciting pack marks or crash packs etc. I like this fella but I guess you can't be too sentimental with these things. As long as we get an upgrade.
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Griffiths will be used as part of the trade for Z Clarke ;) ;)
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Griffiths will be used as part of the trade for Z Clarke ;) ;)
Sauce?
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LMAO @ Gimme posting here as TigerfromTas. nice goat. whats ya sauce
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I would spew up - Why would you put 2 years into someone with so much potential then bargain them off - I don't believe it for a second.
He is exactly the type of player we need to boot......... :scream
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Griff isn't going anywhere, is one of the clubs 'untouchables' due to plans for him and team/forward line going forward.
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LMAO @ Gimme posting here as TigerfromTas. nice goat. whats ya sauce
Thats "OctoGoat" to you buddy.......
Sauce, no thanks, i'm just making crap up to keep in with the credibility of this thread, Sounds good though :thumbsup :thumbsup ;D
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rumour going around we are after GWS to pre-list a player Braydon Goatse 203cm 98kg KPF/Ruck from South Adelaide Panthers
22yrs old, played college basketball in the States, also did some MMA
maybe the Griff trade has some legs?
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Sound like one big Goat :lol Cant seem to find anything on the lad??
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rumour going around we are after GWS to pre-list a player Braydon Goatse 203cm 198kg KPF/Ruck from South Adelaide Panthers
22yrs old, played college basketball in the States, also did some MMA
maybe the Griff trade has some legs?
198kgs :o
Who is he, Andre the Giant?
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:lol
sorry 98kgs
bloke on the right
(http://images.whereilive.com.au/images/uploads/2009/01/13/7edd84023fbba127543fa7c099ebc9c8_resized.JPG)
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he has his own website. just type Goatse in on google
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Looks like he could be the Gay icon for all the Bears out there :o :o :lol
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Beefcake will not be happy with this >:(
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he has his own website. just type Goatse in on google
Tried that, all I could come up with was something called the "Reverse Goatse" :o :o :o :o
There were photo's but I thought they may be a little in appropriate for this thread ;D ;D
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he has his own website. just type Goatse in on google
haha not falling for that trick. :lol
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No chance of this happening. Close thread 8)
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he has his own website. just type Goatse in on google
haha not falling for that trick. :lol
lol...I did :whistle :whistle
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he has his own website. just type Goatse in on google
haha not falling for that trick. :lol
lol...I did :whistle :whistle
haha how was that for u? :lol
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LMAO @ Gimme posting here as TigerfromTas. nice goat. whats ya sauce
Thats "OctoGoat" to you buddy.......
Sauce, no thanks, i'm just making crap up to keep in with the credibility of this thread, Sounds good though :thumbsup :thumbsup ;D
LOL Davey thought you were an 80+ year old goat we knew called Gimme coz you had the octo goat as your avatar ROFL Ill pay him 10 for lateral thinking
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prick scarred me for life with that and I spent the next 48 hours scanning my computer to purge it.
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I have heard (non big footy, pre etc) that this may happen and Carlton are red hot for it. Kane Lucas linked perhaps?
I sure hope not
Gotta love rumours :lol
Re this one - hmmmm don't think so unless we intend to keep Brad Miller for the next 5 years ;D
Tell you what WP, why don't you ask Chutney about whether a. How desperate we are for a ruck and b. If b Griffith is an unconditional untouchable
Hopefully this is all bs but not what I've heard if the price is right
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prick scarred me for life with that and I spent the next 48 hours scanning my computer to purge it.
some of your posts hurt me so much. you have no idea how worried i was about you. you can't just come back here and pretend that everything is okay. :( It's not ok
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Beefcake will not be happy with this >:(
I worry for our main man. I hope he goes all in @ pre-season.
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Oh ffs, gee it really slows down over there after the footy has stopped and the crap starts, Griffiths traded.....yeah and Ox was the man on the grassy knowl...please. :lol
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Dan Jackson was the man on the grassy knoll.
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Hope this is BS.
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Hope this is BS.
There you go again, disregarding my feelings like they don't exist. You're BS, homo.
Griff is here to stay :thumbsup
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Dan Jackson was the man on the grassy knoll.
Or was he on the Shannon noll. ;D
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Dan Jackson was the man on the grassy knoll.
Or was he on the Shannon noll. ;D
What about me?? ;D
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Dan Jackson was the man on the grassy knoll.
Or was he on the Shannon noll. ;D
What about me?? ;D
Now seriously .... that well isn't..........
it isn't fair
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Dan Jackson was the man on the grassy knoll.
Or was he on the Shannon noll. ;D
What about me?? ;D
Now seriously .... that well isn't..........
it isn't fair
I've had enough....
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Bah Ive had my share
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Bah Ive had my share
Can't you see?
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Bah Ive had my share
Can't you see?
What?...... It Isn't fair!
:lol
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SNIP!!! This thread is giving me a headache ;D
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Dan Jackson was the man on the grassy knoll.
But the guy on the grassy knoll hit his target. How could that be Jackson ? ? ;D ;D ;D
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:lol
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Dan Jackson was the man on the grassy knoll.
But the guy on the grassy knoll hit his target. How could that be Jackson ? ? ;D ;D ;D
* bravo sir, bravo *
and for the record/relevance to thread - Griff isn't going anywhere...
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Oh ffs, gee it really slows down over there after the footy has stopped and the crap starts, Griffiths traded.....yeah and Ox was the man on the grassy knowl...please. :lol
You have insulted the intelligence of my state. Haven't you got some coal to go dig up so I can increase my standard of living ?
For Shame 8)
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Dan Jackson was the man on the grassy knoll.
But the guy on the grassy knoll hit his target. How could that be Jackson ? ? ;D ;D ;D
:lol
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Oh ffs, gee it really slows down over there after the footy has stopped and the crap starts, Griffiths traded.....yeah and Ox was the man on the grassy knowl...please. :lol
You have insulted the intelligence of my state. Haven't you got some coal to go dig up so I can increase my standard of living ?
For Shame 8)
If we start digging up coal here all the Geoligists will be sacked....
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Griffs is a big solid boy in the upper body now. Good to see he's also free of any shoulder strapping as well.
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/375914_10150382722503276_298686323275_8312241_951640074_n.jpg)
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Now if only he could get a kick
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If his shoulders are now right and finally with a full preseason he can build up his fitness base and get some continuity in his footy then the rest should take care of itself.
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One word.."whoa"...with Grigg, TV and JR8 inside 50 that aint a forward line, its a dynasty :shh
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here's hoping that the shoulders stay solid - big things expected/required of Griff as he would make a massive difference to our forward structure...has shown glimpses of his undoubted potential, think if he can get a couple of proper preseasons under his belt & stay on the park then he has a big future ahead of him...
...agree it's good to see though shoulders without strapping - not so sure I agree with the "dynasty" theory just yet (especially with Grigg??)... but here's to hoping
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Now if only he could get a kick
He will be better than Royce Hart, so how about being positive and dropping the attitude?
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Who the hell do you think you are? I know people that know people at the club that tell me how to think, thank you very much >:(
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I hope Benny shaves his head for the 2012 season opener. Would look like a monster. :bow
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have said it a few times now. hes the most overhyped player ive seen at richmond in a while.all this love for a player who to date has done zilch nought nothing.
i liked carlisle and black as talls better than him and for now i will stick to that. have said a few times also with that pick i would have taken bastinac.
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I hope Benny shaves his head for the 2012 season opener. Would look like a monster. :bow
I reckon he's got a Deledio + Mick Molloy going about his whole head.
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have said it a few times now. hes the most overhyped player ive seen at richmond in a while.all this love for a player who to date has done zilch nought nothing.
i liked carlisle and black as talls better than him and for now i will stick to that. have said a few times also with that pick i would have taken bastinac.
Agree has had a bit of hype but there have been far bigger hypes than Griffiths.
Tambling for one. Nathan Brown was the messiah when he came to the club. Lets not forget Ben Cousins.
Anyone with potential rightly has anticipation from fans hanging off them, its been happening for decades and will continue to do so.
Hope Benny plays injury free this year.
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Well excuse us for getting excited about a man mountain KPP with, speed, good hands and a big long hoof!
What are his odds for the coleman next year?
im going all in.
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He looks fat
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One word.."whoa"...with Grigg, TV and JR8 inside 50 that aint a forward line, its a dynasty :shh
His name is Griff, partner. ;)
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To say a lot rest on his shoulders is an under statement. :lol
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Just wondering, would any player have should strapping for a skills session?
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Some blokes are bigger buzz kills than Buzz Killington!
Looking forward to a fit Griiffffsstteeerrrr.
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have said it a few times now. hes the most overhyped player ive seen at richmond in a while.all this love for a player who to date has done zilch nought nothing.
i liked carlisle and black as talls better than him and for now i will stick to that. have said a few times also with that pick i would have taken bastinac.
He has shown glimpses but looks the goods.
Not hard to get excited about at 6ft 7 kpp who can mark, kick, chase down tackle and shows Footy smarts.
It's okay to look forward, the game is as much about the potential as it's about the end result, ask a cats supporter
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have said it a few times now. hes the most overhyped player ive seen at richmond in a while.all this love for a player who to date has done zilch nought nothing.
By 'most overhyped player ive seen at richmond in a while', I guess you mean a short while.
The way I see it, Griffiths has fallen off the radar with the emergence of Vickery as a power forward.
He's got some work to do to make an impact at AFL level.
BTW I too was an advocate for Bastinac but wish Big Ben lots of luck. He's got the tools.
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Here we go...Griffs turn, he has been injured since he came to the club, never had a decent preseason or continuity regarding games played......write him off.......
Good luck Maric and Morris, like I said during trade week, better perform or yor threads will change into this!!!!! :banghead
I reckon this kid will be one of the power forwards in the comp in 2-3 years if he can get that shoulder right and a few preseasons. He plays better than Edwards does now and he hasnt been on the park.... :lol
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Didn't Griff play about 8 games in the two seasons prior to us drafting him?
and Maric better perform :thumbsup 25 years old and we didn't trade for him to play like ass. Don't write off the Beef you muppets :shh
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Don't see anyone here has written him off.
That would be dumber than saying that he will be one of the power forwards in the comp.
We have very little to go by apart from odd glimpses from Ben in his first 2 years to see how it will pan out for him.
A bit of water to go under the bridge yet.
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We have very little to go by apart from odd glimpses from Ben in his first 2 years
Its his physical attributes that get people excietd MM, not his underwhelming performances thus far.
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Here's the Big G talking about his goals for 2012
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/417622/default.aspx
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Here's the Big G talking about his goals for 2012
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/417622/default.aspx
Why is Ben in the rehab group RFCO?
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Here's the Big G talking about his goals for 2012
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/417622/default.aspx
Why is Ben in the rehab group RFCO?
He wasnt in that group at the training I went to 2 weeks ago...has something happened since?
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He wasnt in that group at the training I went to 2 weeks ago...has something happened since?
Pretty certain he was at the last open session on the 18th. Your next question is one for RFCO.
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He wasnt in that group at the training I went to 2 weeks ago...has something happened since?
Pretty certain he was at the last open session on the 18th. Your next question is one for RFCO.
RFCO, has he injured himself after the 11th of Jan?
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He has bloody pointy shoulders! :o
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Here's the Big G talking about his goals for 2012
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/417622/default.aspx
Why is Ben in the rehab group RFCO?
A little knock I believe, nothing major. He's out on the ground kicking around atm.
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Here's the Big G talking about his goals for 2012
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/417622/default.aspx
Why is Ben in the rehab group RFCO?
A little knock I believe, nothing major. He's out on the ground kicking around atm.
Good to hear thanks. Better to be safe than sorry.
Hopefully no more setbacks for Ben.
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Griffiths ready for action
by Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Wed 25 Jan, 2012
“At the moment I’m probably feeling as strong as I have since I’ve been here, and strength wise I think I’m a lot bigger,” Griffiths said.
“I want to start pushing it a bit more, so I can get out there quicker.
“I want to get the continuity in my training, which I haven’t had over the last two years. Hopefully it’s a sign of good things to come.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/128210/default.aspx
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Straight swap for butcher otherwise delist
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He wasnt in that group at the training I went to 2 weeks ago...has something happened since?
yeah he took his cotton wool off but has a locker full of it for his next wrapping session ;D
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Straight swap for butcher otherwise delist
LOL.
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Straight swap for butcher otherwise delist
you may well delist him now cause Butcher aint coming ;D
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Straight swap for butcher otherwise delist
C'mon Chuck.......after how long in the system.......please....wake up. Many were calling for the same regarding Vickery.....they now live in the ground....
I cant understand why so many are willing to get rid if the youth..that havent had a chance, yet they are content to keep players on our list that have underperformed for many many years????? Bemuses me.
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Any players that immediately spring to mind WAT? ;)
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Any players that immediately spring to mind WAT? ;)
You know I cant go there....... :lol
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Griffiths should get 10 years on the list based on what he has shown so far.
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How can he show anything when he has not completed one full preseason since joing the club and look how young he is.... :banghead
It took Cotch 3-4 seasons to grow into his body and get over his injuries and have one full preasason before he had his best year last year.
Gee all the rumblings then from people.......he won't get over his injuries, injuries will plauge him for life, he will never reach his potential....stuff me...
Give this young fellla a go...
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Griffiths should get 10 years on the list based on what he has shown so far.
You should get 10 years for posting such audacious crap
:(
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Griffiths should get 10 years on the list based on what he has shown so far.
You should get 10 years for posting such audacious crap
:(
If White has had 7, Griffiths one handed mark was worth 5 and his 70 metre point was worth the other 5.
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Griffiths should get 10 years on the list based on what he has shown so far.
You should get 10 years for posting such audacious crap
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If White has had 7, Griffiths one handed mark was worth 5 and his 70 metre point was worth the other 5.
Hadn't thought of it in that way. Fair call.
:thumbsup
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I can feel the start of something beautiful here.
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I can feel the start of something beautiful here.
Are your pants squishy too?
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I'm way ahead of you.
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I'm way ahead of you.
I'd expect no less.
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I hope like heck this guy's shoulders stay together because with confidence in body & mind he'd be a genuine weapon but the jury is out on whether he'll reach the potential. :P
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Groin issues now according to the skipper on SEN this morning.
He's our Gumbleton atm. :banghead
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lol
*shakes head*
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Lot of talk about Ben last year, How is he looking at the moment?
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just start a new thread if you want
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http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=10351.330
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saw him cathcing balls on the recent training vid. looked ripped and upbeat. Not sure if he's back to full training yet tho.
Would love to see him play Geelong in the last nab game.
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More importantly, how is he going up top?
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saw him cathcing balls on the recent training vid. looked ripped and upbeat. Not sure if he's back to full training yet tho.
Would love to see him play Geelong in the last nab game.
Thanks Willy, sounds good, hopefully his shoulder has come good.
Would also like to see him play a game or two before the season, provided he is up to it.
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http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=10351.330
MM I imagine you linked us to this thread to remind everyone of the moment TBR and I fell for each other.
It is a rare thing to witness 2 young shmucks at the point where they connect for life
:nope
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Ben Griffiths resumed from a hip injury when he played in defence in the VFL last weekend. Recruited as a key forward, where he has played nine games in his first two injury riddled seasons, Griffiths is being groomed as a key defender, but will have to start the new season working his way up from the second-tier competition.
Source: The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/no-risks-by-richmond-with-star-brett-deledio/story-fnca0u4y-1226291092720)
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Can't understand why we would recruit him as a forward then without trying him there for any period of time he is now considered a back man and his shoulders have not even been tested yet.
FFS, what is the story?
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Must admit, I would love to see him take the kick ou duties in the seniors. He could kick the ball to the centre and break the defensive zones of the opposition teams.
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Can't understand why we would recruit him as a forward then without trying him there for any period of time he is now considered a back man and his shoulders have not even been tested yet.
FFS, what is the story?
Chill old boy. Would be handy to teach him how to play down back. Will be a key forward in the long run
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At least he aint a pathetic piece of spam hey ?
O Blacky, Blacky! wherefore art thou Blacky?
Deny thy father and refuse thy other forums;
Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
And I'll no longer be a straight man.
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If Ben Griffiths can get the body right, so he can get a good run at it, he be a very good player for Ricmond.
You dont lose your ability and from what I've seen he is quick, good below his knees, spring heeled with good hands. brave and can kick 70 metres. Big blokes always seem to take a bit longer and I cant really think of any that have domininated in their first or second season.
It must be a hard / disapointing to suffer set backs in your development but blokes like Cotchin kept at it and even when Richo was still around they rated Jack below a C grade bit is now very good.
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Have to say 2 or 3 years on from drafting this guy, as much as I hope he succeeds it looks like he wont due to injuries.
Massive question marks over injuries and his body before being drafted, and to date nothing but ongoing injury problems.
Looks like a failed roll of the dice by the club for selecting him.
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The kid still has plenty of time on his hands, has played more games than Butcher who you could say has had similar issues, I wouldn't be putting a line through him just yet. Lets not forget it took Cotch 2 or 3 seasons to get up and running ;)
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Can't understand why we would recruit him as a forward then without trying him there for any period of time he is now considered a back man and his shoulders have not even been tested yet.
FFS, what is the story?
His shoulders are the problem. Defenders are the ones that do the chopping, not the ones getting chopped. i.e, his shoulders are safer as a defender than as a forward.
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Can't understand why we would recruit him as a forward then without trying him there for any period of time he is now considered a back man and his shoulders have not even been tested yet.
FFS, what is the story?
His shoulders are the problem. Defenders are the ones that do the chopping, not the ones getting chopped. i.e, his shoulders are safer as a defender than as a forward.
This
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He has some amazing strengths to his game. Would be a real shame not to see that talent realised.
Come on Griffo!
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Can't understand why we would recruit him as a forward then without trying him there for any period of time he is now considered a back man and his shoulders have not even been tested yet.
FFS, what is the story?
His shoulders are the problem. Defenders are the ones that do the chopping, not the ones getting chopped. i.e, his shoulders are safer as a defender than as a forward.
So when he is getting crunched as a defender from behing, the side and the front, or having hangers taken on his shoulders.... its better than being out on a lead 10-15 mtrs in front of your opponent???? Or coming over the pack from behind to take a grab????
Agree with Davey, part of his growth, lets hope he does end up forward.
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:clapping
What danog said
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Playing CHF or backline makes you accountable for your opponent and the ball and makes you disciplined. Won't mind him learning that or playing in the backline if that means getting some footy and some confidence in him.
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I'll repost the stuff about Griff's knee injury here so it doesn't get lost within the Coburg game thread and it can be updated when we here more after any scans ...
@CoburgFC - "he was getting some work done on his knee before. no indications of diagnosis or seriousness yet"
@Britt_Shanahan - "Griffiths injured his knee - having it iced."
(https://p.twimg.com/AsHNA5pCIAAu0ju.jpg)
https://twitter.com/#!/Britt_Shanahan/status/198665273933438976/photo/1
As for griff a mate close by reckons he heard someone say we will send him for scans Monday.the same mate reckons the ice was applied to the side of the knee which might suggest a medial rather than the more severe cruciate etc
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15441.msg296226#msg296226
Heard the physio tell Griffiths there was nothing structurally wrong with his knee. Just to ice it and see how it felt when he got home. HE also seemed to roll his ankle in the 2nd quarter but kept playing
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24100126&postcount=332
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This guy has the worst effing luck I swear...
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This guy has the worst effing luck I swear...
Either that or he's made of plastic. He's meant to be the great white hope at CHF for us.
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Someone posed the question a while back, is he our gumbleton?
Starting to appear he may be
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Someone posed the question a while back, is he our gumbleton?
Starting to appear he may be
Not showing good signs for his longevity. Cue Monk for a comment.............. ;D
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Hopefully his luck will turn. He is a talent. We don't have many in his size!
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Bastinac :nope
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Bastinac :nope
This :yep :yep
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I'd go as far stating put a line through his name.
His talent isn't disputed but then that dh Connors has heaps of talent too. Problem is griff from memory only played 15 or so games in his last 2 years of junior footy, and hasn't played much more in his time at Richmond. You miss that many games of footy over a four year period and it catches up with you. Missed too much game development imo
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Same old boring story. Body not upto League football
move on
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There is enough potential upside id give griff another year if not 2 or more to come good.
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There is enough potential upside id give griff another year if not 2 or more to come good.
you cant be serious, This is the type of downfall RFC have gone down many times in the past.
Every scout on the planet knew he was a risk before he even joined the draft.
this is a dead topic
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There is enough potential upside id give griff another year if not 2 or more to come good.
you cant be serious, This is the type of downfall RFC have gone down many times in the past.
Every scout on the planet knew he was a risk before he even joined the draft.
this is a dead topic
Griff should get longer. Still only a kid.
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Griffo & Moore along with Edwards & Jackson can help each other walk out the door, the most talented one out of those 4 can close the door. :lol
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The problem I have with Griff is that even when he played those 4 or 5 games, he hardly touched the footy. Hardly got the ball at all. He has got a big reputation for someone who cant get on the ground or even get lots of the footy when he does play.
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Griff is our version of Gumbleton. Just does not get onto the park to play some footy. :-\
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Griff is not the same age as moore.
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Cant delist a 21 yo old 200cm KP player with a 60m kick and good hands.
Especially when you experiment with irish recruits and rugby league players. There is a spot on any AFL list for Ben Griffiths, injured or not.
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Griffo & Moore along with Edwards & Jackson can help each other walk out the door, the most talented one out of those 4 can close the door. :lol
Is that the same door McDonald opened and ran out of before the season even started?? Least Griff has the Balls to stick about ;)
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Had hopes he would be a massive forward target for us, reality is he can't string games together and is injury prone (not only to his shoulders). Starting to accept we will not get any return for investment.
Can't play a full game of footy without some sort of scare, and when he does, just doesn't generate enough touches to impact the game. Why they wouldn't just park all 200cm and 100+kgs in the goal square is beyond me? Enough of this rubbish trying him down back. :banghead :banghead
Drop Vickery for him, put Jack and Griff deep and see what happens with Miller still performing his cameo. Surely he can win a one on one contest at his size, doesn't have to be mobile, just kick it long to the bloke. :police:
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i take it you are happy to continually give away height in the backline?
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Give him 1 more year. There are others that need immediate replacing before him.
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i take it you are happy to continually give away height in the backline?
Not happy to, but this kid is a forward, not a defender. I can see the benefit of him playing down back, but what is the point if he continually gets injured down there and isn't any good as a KPD? In all honesty, I though they had Astbury to come in as a KPD. I think there comes a point where you let him prove himself in his natural position, as opposed to trying to reinvent him as something he isn't.
I agree, he will more than likely be given another year and every possible chance to make it (as either a FWD or DEF), but really needs to show some big things sooner rather than later.
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There is enough potential upside id give griff another year if not 2 or more to come good.
Give him 5 years :banghead :banghead :banghead
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The problem I have with Griff is that even when he played those 4 or 5 games, he hardly touched the footy. Hardly got the ball at all. He has got a big reputation for someone who cant get on the ground or even get lots of the footy when he does play.
correct
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There is enough potential upside id give griff another year if not 2 or more to come good.
Give him 5 years :banghead :banghead :banghead
could be here 10 seasons like Skipper from the Dogs
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looks like jackie may have found himself a new gimp to pay out on.
this bodes well for griff to go on to an illustrious career in the yellow and black
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Griffo & Moore along with Edwards & Jackson can help each other walk out the door, the most talented one out of those 4 can close the door. :lol
Is that the same door McDonald opened and ran out of before the season even started?? Least Griff has the Balls to stick about ;)
McDonald has been given time off from the club due to personal reasons, ( Put on long term injury list ) due to death in the family, not liking city life, & things you dont need to know so you can bang him up all you like you poor excuse for a person.
His in the gym working hard & training everyday & will returnwhen he feels like it.
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He tried to get a clearance to play for his local club. Gone at seasons end.
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Yep. Won't be back.
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Not a big loss, we move on and hopefully the kid who replaces him on the list becomes a gun. :thumbsup
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Yep won't be back and should never have been drafted. The kid is clearly mentally weak and has a pee poor attitude. Maybe "When he feels like it" he can somehow get the draft pick back we wasted on him ::) ::) you can bag out Griff all you like but least he has the balls to hang in there and try and repay the faith the club has put in him...
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Griffiths has had bad luck with injury. He has been knocked out in one game this year. He needs a period where he is injury free. He needs to get a couple of games under him in a row. I think he should play in the forward line. Forwards tend to take more time to develop and I believe he can develop into a good player but just needs a bit of luck
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looks like jackie may have found himself a new gimp to pay out on.
this bodes well for griff to go on to an illustrious career in the yellow and black
This !
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Griffo & Moore along with Edwards & Jackson can help each other walk out the door, the most talented one out of those 4 can close the door. :lol
Is that the same door McDonald opened and ran out of before the season even started?? Least Griff has the Balls to stick about ;)
so you can bang him up all you like you poor excuse for a person.
Unbelievable given the bashing you give out to players like Griff. Nothing peees me off more than hypocrits.
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Griffo & Moore along with Edwards & Jackson can help each other walk out the door, the most talented one out of those 4 can close the door. :lol
Is that the same door McDonald opened and ran out of before the season even started?? Least Griff has the Balls to stick about ;)
so you can bang him up all you like you poor excuse for a person.
Unbelievable given the bashing you give out to players like Griff. Nothing peees me off more than hypocrits.
McDonald is not injured so l dont know what any of you are on about. Its obvious some dont read what is written. So l will say it again. He has been given time off from the club for personal reasons which started with a death in his family. But some here just dont want to read the truth & make up there own BS. He is on the long term injury list for these reasons. He is home training & will decide what he wants to do when the time comes to return.
Not everyone likes the stinky city life & many have decided not to play AFL because they dont want to live in the city.
l can real off 50+ footballers who have done this & there will be many many more in the future. Not their fault Richmond drafts them lol. They are talked into going & promised the world. AFL life is harder than many of you know, but some of you would never understand & think its all money & glory. Well wake up cause its not.
Griffiths on the other hand l have said before he has alot of talent but his body cant cope with AFL football let alone handle VFL football. Scouts from all clubs knew this & Richmond took the risk & FAILED. But some of you think you know more than people who have been in the game for 40 years and still beleive this lad is gunna save Richmond. :rollin
You call me a hypocrit lol. yet l just delivered the facts that l stated before the guy got drafted. RISK look it up if you dont understand it.
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Monk
100% correct on the Griffths.
Griffths wont make it
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ok lets say he wont make it....the question then needs to be asked what did we see in him that allegedly all other clubs didnt..that made us think he will make it..If most other clubs thought he was a croc why did we reject this and draft him?
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ok lets say he wont make it....the question then needs to be asked what did we see in him that allegedly all other clubs didnt..that made us think he will make it..If most other clubs thought he was a croc why did we reject this and draft him?
well paying other players huge contracts & trying to fill gaps would be most common ;D
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McDonald will be delisted.
He lacks the heart and the mental strength to make it in the afl and has effectively allready been delisted. He won't be back even if he wants to come back as he is no longer welcome
As for griffiths he is a 20 yr old kp player with plenty of time on his side to make it.
The good news is jackstar has allready written him off and due to his amazing track record of getting it wrong , he must be considered a better than even money chance of becoming a hall of famer.
Seriously though, 20 yr old with pace and kicking ability like griff at 200 cm tall will be given every opportunity to get over their injuries. Very early days in his career yet.
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so are you suggesting griff at pick 19 might have been picked because of salary cap restrictions elsewhere on our list?..if so thats amazing.
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so are you suggesting griff at pick 19 might have been picked because of salary cap restrictions elsewhere on our list?..if so thats amazing.
No l'm saying Richmond tryed to get a KPP on the cheap
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McDonald will be delisted.
He lacks the heart and the mental strength to make it in the afl and has effectively allready been delisted. He won't be back even if he wants to come back as he is no longer welcome
As for griffiths he is a 20 yr old kp player with plenty of time on his side to make it.
The good news is jackstar has allready written him off and due to his amazing track record of getting it wrong , he must be considered a better than even money chance of becoming a hall of famer.
Seriously though, 20 yr old with pace and kicking ability like griff at 200 cm tall will be given every opportunity to get over their injuries. Very early days in his career yet.
When have I got it wrong ?
When was the last time we played finals?
That's right Blaisee.i forgot we are on top of the ladder and flag favorites
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You call me a hypocrit lol. yet l just delivered the facts that l stated before the guy got drafted. RISK look it up if you dont understand it.
Did you actually laugh out loud when someone called you a hypocrite? that's odd.
Anyway your long-winded post gave absolutely no information or insight into anything other than the fact that you think your top poo. You have no problem relentlessly bagging players like Griff and Jack , yet you find all the excuses in the world for DMAC who has straight up walked out on the club. Explain yourself.
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ok lets say he wont make it....the question then needs to be asked what did we see in him that allegedly all other clubs didnt..that made us think he will make it..If most other clubs thought he was a croc why did we reject this and draft him?
somebody would have pulled the trigger and taken the risk eventually, we were the first. His talent and upside isnt disputed by any club, its what we're seeing now that was the issue.
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question I ask, what talent?
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its hard for us here to pass any judgement on Griff the player,we just havent seen him on the park often enough..in this case we(supporters) have to hope the club got this right,what other choice do we have?
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Honestly, has played 9 AFL with averages disposals of 5 per game (2.6 kicks a game ) ::)
Other club get players like Crameri at Essendon who stamp there mark on the game.( averages from first game -17 disposals a game )
43rd pick in rookie draft as well, say no more
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as i keep harping ..this lad just needs to stay on the park.let him play half a season for the magoos before we can pass any judgement..there in is the problem though he isnt on the park often enough or long enough
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McDonald will be delisted.
He lacks the heart and the mental strength to make it in the afl and has effectively allready been delisted. He won't be back even if he wants to come back as he is no longer welcome
Is this your opinion blaisee or should we assume that this is the inside word from the club?
And back on topic, 2013 with an option for 2014 would be suitable with Griff imo
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Say he didn't get a game in seniors because of injury before contract finished. Would you think he might be better suited as a rookie? Would Moore be a factor like if he still was rookied and not playing there wouldn't be room or if he was delisted would it make you think Griff isn't worth the risk?
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Honestly, has played 9 AFL with averages disposals of 5 per game (2.6 kicks a game ) ::)
Other club get players like Crameri at Essendon who stamp there mark on the game.( averages from first game -17 disposals a game )
43rd pick in rookie draft as well, say no more
then our recruiting department is obviously still substandard compared to the better ones. We should be poaching a great recruiter from elsewhere. Or even giving a job to Rendell given his currently unemployed and hasn't done a bad job in Adelaide i'm sure he knows more than good old FJ.
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question I ask, what talent?
Kicked a bag of 6 or somin the u18 carnival, and that wasnt the first time, mugs dont do that :shh
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Honestly, has played 9 AFL with averages disposals of 5 per game (2.6 kicks a game ) ::)
Other club get players like Crameri at Essendon who stamp there mark on the game.( averages from first game -17 disposals a game )
43rd pick in rookie draft as well, say no more
then our recruiting department is obviously still substandard compared to the better ones. We should be poaching a great recruiter from elsewhere. Or even giving a job to Rendell given his currently unemployed and hasn't done a bad job in Adelaide i'm sure he knows more than good old FJ.
seriously one example means eff all. you could make similar examples for every club.
no surprise to see you roll in jack's miserable excrement at all
as for rendell well,n hindsight, we made a mistake in tambling, but he was a highly fancied junior. By the the time adelaide gave us about 5 times his worth, every knew what a hack he was, except rendell, it seems.
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question I ask, what talent?
Kicked a bag of 6 or somin the u18 carnival, and that wasnt the first time, mugs dont do that :shh
Yep and I watched Richard Tambling get 40 possesions and kick 4 goals in the Under 18 Carnival as well, ::)
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And I presume our membership money paid you to fly up have a free feed suck back a couple of beers and do eff all but whinge
Lucky we sacked you whiny boy backside
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question I ask, what talent?
Kicked a bag of 6 or somin the u18 carnival, and that wasnt the first time, mugs dont do that :shh
Yep and I watched Richard Tambling get 40 possesions and kick 4 goals in the Under 18 Carnival as well, ::)
Yep, then after we discarded him Matt Rendell who has done a cracker Job for Adelaide though he would be a good pick up for them ::) It's all swings and roundabouts people, you hit some you miss some regardless who is in charge ;) IMO Griffiths is not to dis similar to Tom Hawkins apart from his shocking run with injury! It has taken Hawkins 5 years on that list being feed but the Best Mid field over that period to finally get to the level hes playing at this year! Hawkins over his career is only averaging 6 Kicks 5 handballs and 1.5 goals a game but I would still love to have him running round in our forward line any day.
lol @ you again Jackstar, Crameri was a pick from way left field, he was over weight and had a pee poor atitude when he played for Bendigo! Essendon Rookied him because of this and wow guess what, there gamble paid off! I could only imagine if we had recruited Crameri and he turned out to be a dud what you would be saying :lol :lol :lol
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But you miss the point.
They rookied him, not drafted him initially
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question I ask, what talent?
Anyone who's seen Ben play can see he has the tools. Hasn't has a sustained run without injury to develop those raw skills.
His development has been curtailed.
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But you miss the point.
They rookied him, not drafted him initially
So what your saying is Griffiths would have made it through to the Rookie draft without being picked up by another club??
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question I ask, what talent?
Anyone who's seen Ben play can see he has the tools. Hasn't has a sustained run without injury to develop those raw skills.
His development has been curtailed.
Yep, seem him play 9 AFL games and heaps of VFL games
Looks a bit timid to me
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But you miss the point.
They rookied him, not drafted him initially
So what your saying is Griffiths would have made it through to the Rookie draft without being picked up by another club??
YES!
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I agree the kid has ability just his body ahs let him down.
Next 18 months is critical. I'd go as far to say if he doesn't play senior footy this year although he will stay on the list he may be gone at the end of next year.
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Griffiths on the other hand l have said before he has alot of talent but his body cant cope with AFL football let alone handle VFL football. Scouts from all clubs knew this & Richmond took the risk & FAILED. But some of you think you know more than people who have been in the game for 40 years and still beleive this lad is gunna save Richmond.
The above was posted by Tigermonk and is so close to 100% correct, it aint funny
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But you miss the point.
They rookied him, not drafted him initially
So what your saying is Griffiths would have made it through to the Rookie draft without being picked up by another club??
YES!
lol Now you really are showing how little you actually know :lol :lol :lol
Below are a few links of what others (Who have a clue) thought of Griffiths before the draft, let me guess, they are all as daft as the club is :wallywink :wallywink
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/11/ben-griffiths-2009-afl-draft-prospect/
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86984/default.aspx
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87451/default.aspx
You could troll through the internet for hours, no one had him going past pick 35 let a loan making it through to the rookie draft :lol :lol It further goes to show how little clue or credibility you actually have :lol
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Really hopes Griff makes it, him along with Vickery, surely if Vicks, Jack and Griff got it together we would have one of the best forward lines in the comp, one of the best centre lines in the comp.....just the back line then.....pick a a top back man or 2 through free agency, one more ruck man .....
Whoa... ;D
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
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In at least one game this season griffs has got injury - due to being on his hands and knees trying to win a loose ball. A great sign for a bloke that size.
To cope a knee cap to back of head bad luck. Not weak injury prone body
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Honestly, has played 9 AFL with averages disposals of 5 per game (2.6 kicks a game ) ::)
Other club get players like Crameri at Essendon who stamp there mark on the game.( averages from first game -17 disposals a game )
43rd pick in rookie draft as well, say no more
then our recruiting department is obviously still substandard compared to the better ones. We should be poaching a great recruiter from elsewhere. Or even giving a job to Rendell given his currently unemployed and hasn't done a bad job in Adelaide i'm sure he knows more than good old FJ.
seriously one example means eff all. you could make similar examples for every club.
no surprise to see you roll in jack's miserable excrement at all
as for rendell well,n hindsight, we made a mistake in tambling, but he was a highly fancied junior. By the the time adelaide gave us about 5 times his worth, every knew what a hack he was, except rendell, it seems.
What are you on about? I'm the one that wants Griff in the seniors now at the expense of Miller. I think having Miller in the team is pointless in terms of player and team development.
Let's put him in the deep end and see how he swims. Geelong did it with Hawkins. West coast have done it with Darling. Hawks with buddy and roughead. Essendon with Hurley. But we continually waste valuable time with a big forward in the magoos which may even ruin his development.
No point finding out in 2 years he can't cut it and then we have a dud like Graham clogging the list.
As for recruitment I think we are still a long way off the better clubs ( I mean clubs that spend more time playing finals than not).
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Honestly, has played 9 AFL with averages disposals of 5 per game (2.6 kicks a game ) ::)
Other club get players like Crameri at Essendon who stamp there mark on the game.( averages from first game -17 disposals a game )
43rd pick in rookie draft as well, say no more
then our recruiting department is obviously still substandard compared to the better ones. We should be poaching a great recruiter from elsewhere. Or even giving a job to Rendell given his currently unemployed and hasn't done a bad job in Adelaide i'm sure he knows more than good old FJ.
seriously one example means eff all. you could make similar examples for every club.
no surprise to see you roll in jack's miserable excrement at all
as for rendell well,n hindsight, we made a mistake in tambling, but he was a highly fancied junior. By the the time adelaide gave us about 5 times his worth, every knew what a hack he was, except rendell, it seems.
What are you on about? I'm the one that wants Griff in the seniors now at the expense of Miller. I think having Miller in the team is pointless in terms of player and team development.
Let's put him in the deep end and see how he swims. Geelong did it with Hawkins. West coast have done it with Darling. Hawks with buddy and roughead. Essendon with Hurley. But we continually waste valuable time with a big forward in the magoos which may even ruin his development.
No point finding out in 2 years he can't cut it and then we have a dud like Graham clogging the list.
As for recruitment I think we are still a long way off the better clubs ( I mean clubs that spend more time playing finals than not).
Que the "Flooging a dead horse" emicon ::) ::)
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And the reason we have been a failure as a footy club for so long is that we have recruited poorly
FACT
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But you miss the point.
They rookied him, not drafted him initially
So what your saying is Griffiths would have made it through to the Rookie draft without being picked up by another club??
YES!
lol Now you really are showing how little you actually know :lol :lol :lol
Below are a few links of what others (Who have a clue) thought of Griffiths before the draft, let me guess, they are all as daft as the club is :wallywink :wallywink
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/11/ben-griffiths-2009-afl-draft-prospect/
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86984/default.aspx
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87451/default.aspx
You could troll through the internet for hours, no one had him going past pick 35 let a loan making it through to the rookie draft :lol :lol It further goes to show how little clue or credibility you actually have :lol
Thanks for that
Your links say it all
4 kicks average per game ::) thats a great impact on a game of footy in your own age group :banghead
Yes, what a superstar, you blokes have no idea ::)
Even says he is injury prone then
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The question needs to be asked.why would a struggling footy club pick up an injury prone player(according to the links posted ) who averages 4 kicks a game?
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Agree with comments"Anyone who's seen Ben play can see he has the tools. Hasn't has a sustained run without injury to develop those raw skills.His development has been curtailed."
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question I ask, what talent?
Anyone who's seen Ben play can see he has the tools. Hasn't has a sustained run without injury to develop those raw skills.
His development has been curtailed.
Yep, seem him play 9 AFL games and heaps of VFL games
Looks a bit timid to me
This highlights the depths you will sink to just to sink the boots in. It is either an outright lie or plain stupidity. Either way you are talking pure crap as griffiths has played about a dozen games of VFL in total.
But you miss the point.
They rookied him, not drafted him initially
So what your saying is Griffiths would have made it through to the Rookie draft without being picked up by another club??
YES!
:lol and you wonder why no one takes what you say seriously
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Honestly, has played 9 AFL with averages disposals of 5 per game (2.6 kicks a game ) ::)
Other club get players like Crameri at Essendon who stamp there mark on the game.( averages from first game -17 disposals a game )
43rd pick in rookie draft as well, say no more
then our recruiting department is obviously still substandard compared to the better ones. We should be poaching a great recruiter from elsewhere. Or even giving a job to Rendell given his currently unemployed and hasn't done a bad job in Adelaide i'm sure he knows more than good old FJ.
seriously one example means eff all. you could make similar examples for every club.
no surprise to see you roll in jack's miserable excrement at all
as for rendell well,n hindsight, we made a mistake in tambling, but he was a highly fancied junior. By the the time adelaide gave us about 5 times his worth, every knew what a hack he was, except rendell, it seems.
What are you on about? I'm the one that wants Griff in the seniors now at the expense of Miller. I think having Miller in the team is pointless in terms of player and team development.
Let's put him in the deep end and see how he swims. Geelong did it with Hawkins. West coast have done it with Darling. Hawks with buddy and roughead. Essendon with Hurley. But we continually waste valuable time with a big forward in the magoos which may even ruin his development.
No point finding out in 2 years he can't cut it and then we have a dud like Graham clogging the list.
As for recruitment I think we are still a long way off the better clubs ( I mean clubs that spend more time playing finals than not).
what am i on about? the fact that you pick up on the lunatic ramblings of a bloke who makes stuff up, makes ridiculous one off comparisons and mixes irrelevant facts in with utter stupidity just to foster his self loathing need to stick the boots in at any time, so you can have you own little whine.
as i have posted previously all those other names showed more than ben in their first 9 or so games and none of them missed the footy he has.
to expect player A to do something just because player B has is plain stupidity. you manage each player according to their individual circumstances.
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The question needs to be asked.why would a struggling footy club pick up an injury prone player(according to the links posted ) who averages 4 kicks a game?
If he was injury free he would have gone top 5 in the draft. To have him there at 19, they considered it worth the risk in hoping he came good. I don't see a problem with the pick we used on him, it's just a darn shame he is so injury prone and cant string a long line of consecutive games together.
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FWIW, I recall talk of us taking Luke Tapscott with Pick 19, if he was still around.
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The question needs to be asked.why would a struggling footy club pick up an injury prone player(according to the links posted ) who averages 4 kicks a game?
If he was injury free he would have gone top 5 in the draft. To have him there at 19, they considered it worth the risk in hoping he came good. I don't see a problem with the pick we used on him, it's just a darn shame he is so injury prone and cant string a long line of consecutive games together.
This is the most laughable post ever
what drugs you on ?
how on earth would a player who averages 4 kicks a game in the TAC go top 5 is beyond belief. :o :o :o :o
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
we would have taken tapscott at 19 if griff was not available
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question I ask, what talent?
Anyone who's seen Ben play can see he has the tools. Hasn't has a sustained run without injury to develop those raw skills.
His development has been curtailed.
Yep, seem him play 9 AFL games and heaps of VFL games
Looks a bit timid to me
This highlights the depths you will sink to just to sink the boots in. It is either an outright lie or plain stupidity. Either way you are talking pure crap as griffiths has played about a dozen games of VFL in total.
But you miss the point.
They rookied him, not drafted him initially
So what your saying is Griffiths would have made it through to the Rookie draft without being picked up by another club??
YES!
:lol and you wonder why no one takes what you say seriously
well well geniuses
there is a reason why we are the worst performed melbourne based club in the past 20 years
as our selection of recruits have been very poor.
If you want to disagree, thats fine, whats the problem then if not player selection
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McDonald will be delisted.
He lacks the heart and the mental strength to make it in the afl and has effectively allready been delisted. He won't be back even if he wants to come back as he is no longer welcome
As for griffiths he is a 20 yr old kp player with plenty of time on his side to make it.
The good news is jackstar has allready written him off and due to his amazing track record of getting it wrong , he must be considered a better than even money chance of becoming a hall of famer.
Seriously though, 20 yr old with pace and kicking ability like griff at 200 cm tall will be given every opportunity to get over their injuries. Very early days in his career yet.
When have I got it wrong ?
Are you for real?
Well just off the top of my head
you thought Tambling was a champion and you thought that Jack was a hack that wouldnt make it.
Thats just two off the top of my head.
The next one that is going to make you look real stupid is Dea, big big future has Dea, not that you would know, because you have no idea.
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Never said Jack was a hack.
Dea, one fair game doesnt make a career.
Had six kicks waxing it up between team mates and you think he has a career,
Thats whats wrong with the RFC, fall in love with DUDS !
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My issue with Griffiths is that in the games he did play he didnt show that he knew how to get the footy. Hardly touched the footy at all in any of the games.
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My issue with Griffiths is that in the games he did play he didnt show that he knew how to get the footy. Hardly touched the footy at all in any of the games.
Thank you.
At thats the same train of thought that was discussed at TAC levels
And the links that have been posted prove that
4 kicks a game :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
No wonder we dont play finals :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Not sure how the bloke is meant to find his own footy as a KPF, would think that job is up to the mids. Those averages are better than what TV is dishing up at the minute anyway.
He did what he had to in his junior games, took contested marks and kicked straight and long.
If he had no injury concerns, he would have been swooped up long before pick 19 end of story. Your a fool to talk as if he would have slipped to the rookie draft. Griffiths (fit) would have gone in the first round guaranteed.
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My issue with Griffiths is that in the games he did play he didnt show that he knew how to get the footy. Hardly touched the footy at all in any of the games.
Thank you.
At thats the same train of thought that was discussed at TAC levels
And the links that have been posted prove that
4 kicks a game :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
No wonder we dont play finals :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
So we don't play finals because Griffiths averaged 4 kicks a game genius? :rollin
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My issue with Griffiths is that in the games he did play he didnt show that he knew how to get the footy. Hardly touched the footy at all in any of the games.
Thank you.
At thats the same train of thought that was discussed at TAC levels
And the links that have been posted prove that
4 kicks a game :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
No wonder we dont play finals :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
So we don't play finals because Griffiths averaged 4 kicks a game genius? :rollin
Yeah, if only he averaged 5 kicks a game like Hawkins he could he could win us a grand final off his own boot (Like Hawkins) :wallywink
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My issue with Griffiths is that in the games he did play he didnt show that he knew how to get the footy. Hardly touched the footy at all in any of the games.
Thank you.
At thats the same train of thought that was discussed at TAC levels
And the links that have been posted prove that
4 kicks a game :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
No wonder we dont play finals :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
So we don't play finals because Griffiths averaged 4 kicks a game genius? :rollin
Yeah, if only he averaged 5 kicks a game like Hawkins he could he could win us a grand final off his own boot (Like Hawkins) :wallywink
Dammit, why didn't the nuffers draft someone who could average 5 kicks, even 6, no wonder we dont play finals :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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My issue with Griffiths is that in the games he did play he didnt show that he knew how to get the footy. Hardly touched the footy at all in any of the games.
Fair criticism. I think that this is why they have looked to play him in defence so he is forced to get involved in the game. Fair strategy too.
He's looked very good in the Coburg games I have seen this year. Tremendous kick, strong mark and good at ground level.
Was starting to make real inroads and felt as senior birth was close.
I am very disappointed to read that he's out again for a prolonged period.
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Why all the hate for Big Benny at the moment. Still an infant is the system given his height and injury concerns. Griffiths was a gamble which could pay off handsomely or fail miserably. The difference from this situation to past drafting bungles is that the club has a backup plan with Elton.
Give the kid time. We don't need to rush him in like we would have with a second round pick in the past. Our depth is beginning to grow so our reliance on unproven draftees is diminishing too.
Patience. :thumbsup
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My issue with Griffiths is that in the games he did play he didnt show that he knew how to get the footy. Hardly touched the footy at all in any of the games.
Thank you.
At thats the same train of thought that was discussed at TAC levels
And the links that have been posted prove that
4 kicks a game :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
No wonder we dont play finals :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
So we don't play finals because Griffiths averaged 4 kicks a game genius? :rollin
You miss the point once again.
we have had and currently have too many non performers on our list. Tell when Tom Derrikkx is going to get a game, he is very similiar to Griffiths as well, yet another non perfomer
I feel sorry for the likes of Cotch, Lids and co,
They carry players each week.
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and thats why Vickery keeps getting a game.
Hardly any pressure from Coburg for players deserving a game !!
Might also add pre season form poor as well from Griffiths and Derrickx
If they were any good, they would of played round 1
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BG is only out for a week.
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BG is only out for a week.
Good news, best he come back and put in some big performances.
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good news here is hoping for a long period free from injury so he can really develop and gain confidence
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I dont have a problem with Griffiths, on the surface he looks like he has all the tools to big a big key forward, height, strength, pace and speed of the mark. In the games that he played I just wanted to see him get the footy say 15 times but alas he wasnt getting near it. I hope he can do it. I hope he can show us he can get on the park and get the footy. If he does that then we may have a player - until then, questions remain.
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The word fragile comes to mind here.
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The word fragile comes to mind here.
Correct !
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and thats why Vickery keeps getting a game.
Hardly any pressure from Coburg for players deserving a game !!
Might also add pre season form poor as well from Griffiths and Derrickx
If they were any good, they would of played round 1
Jack, i have seen every Coburg game to date this year and Derickx has shown absolutly nothing.
He shouldnt even be playing in the Seniors for Coburg, its a total disgrace that Coburg have someone like Rowan Hore who played well at senior level last year and cant get a game coz a Richmond Spud like this guy is keeping him out.
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Derrickx has been given every oppurtunity. They played him in the ones for Richmond in every practice game from memory. He does one or two nice things a game and that's it. And people want him to replace Vickery....
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and thats why Vickery keeps getting a game.
Hardly any pressure from Coburg for players deserving a game !!
Might also add pre season form poor as well from Griffiths and Derrickx
If they were any good, they would of played round 1
Jack, i have seen every Coburg game to date this year and Derickx has shown absolutly nothing.
He shouldnt even be playing in the Seniors for Coburg, its a total disgrace that Coburg have someone like Rowan Hore who played well at senior level last year and cant get a game coz a Richmond Spud like this guy is keeping him out.
I agree
You can put Griffiths in the same category as well
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and thats why Vickery keeps getting a game.
Hardly any pressure from Coburg for players deserving a game !!
Might also add pre season form poor as well from Griffiths and Derrickx
If they were any good, they would of played round 1
Jack, i have seen every Coburg game to date this year and Derickx has shown absolutly nothing.
He shouldnt even be playing in the Seniors for Coburg, its a total disgrace that Coburg have someone like Rowan Hore who played well at senior level last year and cant get a game coz a Richmond Spud like this guy is keeping him out.
I agree
You can put Griffiths in the same category as well
Disagree on the that one, Griff's form has been reasonable when he has played and i have no doubt the kid can play.
He just cant get through a game without getting a knock to the head or an injury.
I think we agree that he wont make it.
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you'd think jack would know how griff has gone because he has seen him play heaps at VFL level, even though he has only played a dozen or so games in 2 and bit years.
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you'd think jack would know how griff has gone because he has seen him play heaps at VFL level, even though he has only played a dozen or so games in 2 and bit years.
Also watched him at Eastern Rangers, no thanks
Wasting drafts picks on potential is a huge risk
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Might further add he is a great kick. and thats about it
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jack if we hadnt picked him up at 19 .what draft postion do you think he would have gone?
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Despite the gloom on this thread re. Griffiths, the club has announced that he might play this week. :clapping
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Despite the gloom on this thread re. Griffiths, the club has announced that he might play this week. :clapping
It's very good news. :)
Hope he can now build on the promising form he's played at Coburg and push for senior selection.
Might further add he is a great kick. and thats about it
He's also very good below his knees, a strong contested mark, good decision maker and quick.
However the knocks on his ball winning ability and durability are valid.
I really hopes he makes it because if he does it fills a glaring requirement in our team.
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MM shows balance, jack shows why he was sacked, who in their right mind would employ that let alone keep it festering in the club
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MM shows balance, jack shows why he was sacked, who in their right mind would employ that let alone keep it festering in the club
Mate.i Am. about reality.not rubbish!
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Mate.i Am. about reality.not rubbish!
Your opinion does not make it fact.
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MM shows balance, jack shows why he was sacked, who in their right mind would employ that let alone keep it festering in the club
Mate.i Am. about reality.not rubbish!
More the attitude than opinion. No one can win with an attitude like that :help
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Dont you just love a good thread ;D
l dont hate the player or the ability of the player. l hate the fact RFC recruit players who dont give anything on the field. Its been a problem for many years. Griffiths is proving to be another one of these players. How long is the list.
There is no excuses at all. Miller gets through the games every week & kicks goals. He will need replacing at years end & nobody is ready to take over. This is a concern.
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Broken down Ben> Butcher
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Broken down Ben> Butcher
your a real form flogger.
Butcher has made a reputation already in the AFL. If you think his a dud than your simply wasting your time with me & l just add you to my ignore list cause l'm over people like you.
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Hey monk.
Explain how the ignore list works
I have about 6 of the clowns that will be instantly added
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1. Go to your profile page.
2. Click on "private messaging preferences".
3. You should see a box called "IgnoreList". Type in the username of the person(s) who's posts you wish to ignore. Click Save.
4. Click on "home" at the top of the forum to return to the mainpage or go back to the page you were on and Refresh the page.
5. You should now see the ignored user's post(s) replaced with the statement "<<you have blocked this message>>
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l added those like Popelord long ago ;D
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Thanks for the reminder, just go and add as well ;)
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haha.
What a team you guys are!!! :bow
Good to see you answering your own questions Jackstar. :thumbsup
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haha.
What a team you guys are!!! :bow
Good to see you answering your own questions Jackstar. :thumbsup
am multiskilled, thanks for the complement
Its better than having a discussion with some of the nuffers on here, :birthday
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Broken down Ben> Butcher
On what I have seen of both players I would say Griffiths has better tools to work with but hey I've got a shed full of them, doesn't make me a carpenter.
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haha.
What a team you guys are!!! :bow
Good to see you answering your own questions Jackstar. :thumbsup
am multiskilled, thanks for the complement
Its better than having a discussion with some of the nuffers on here, :birthday
Maybe you should just start your own forum and post to yourself all day. You wouldn't have to deal with the nuffers here at OER anymore. You've got all the inside mail anyways.
Food for thought...
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This thread is pure gold.
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1. Go to your profile page.
2. Click on "private messaging preferences".
3. You should see a box called "IgnoreList". Type in the username of the person(s) who's posts you wish to ignore. Click Save.
4. Click on "home" at the top of the forum to return to the mainpage or go back to the page you were on and Refresh the page.
5. You should now see the ignored user's post(s) replaced with the statement "<<you have blocked this message>>
Pointless post, god you love yourself
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yet another one gets added ;D ;)
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jackoffstar just dont bother coming on here and u wont ever need to ignore everyone , facts are 99% of us here cant stand u and the poo u dribble
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Thread is going nowhere. JJ and Monky have said their bit and fair enough. Then there's others defending everything Richmond (and Chucky being Chucky ;D) Chances are Griff's body won't stand up to AFL footy. Has talent though.
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Thread is going nowhere. JJ and Monky have said their bit and fair enough. Then there's others defending everything Richmond (and Chucky being Chucky ;D) Chances are Griff's body won't stand up to AFL footy. Has talent though.
All bow to the coach :bow :bow :bow
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Thread is going nowhere. JJ and Monky have said their bit and fair enough. Then there's others defending everything Richmond (and Chucky being Chucky ;D) Chances are Griff's body won't stand up to AFL footy. Has talent though.
Well i'm hanging round to see what Monkey does next: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX5PY14S9zc
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
we would have taken tapscott at 19 if griff was not available
Tapscott went at 18? But yes you are right we would have done that if he had of slid through. I meant if both them were gone.
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Tapscott is poo. Griff has far more potential.
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I really wanted us to draft Fyfe, but thought that he'd last til our Astbury pick. :-[
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I really wanted us to draft Fyfe, but thought that he'd last til our Astbury pick. :-[
Glad we didn't take Fyfe. Dodgy shoulders. ;)
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I really wanted us to draft Fyfe, but thought that he'd last til our Astbury pick. :-[
Glad we didn't take Fyfe. Dodgy shoulders. ;)
: :ROTFL
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Ben Griffiths to miss Coburg game with knee ligament strain.
Source: RFC twitter.
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Griffiths gets his chance
By Tony Greenberg
Fri 25 May, 2012
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick believes young Tiger ‘tall’, Ben Griffiths, has the necessary attributes to make a decent fist of a key defensive post.
Read full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/136800/default.aspx
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Griffiths gets his chance
By Tony Greenberg
Fri 25 May, 2012
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick believes young Tiger ‘tall’, Ben Griffiths, has the necessary attributes to make a decent fist of a key defensive post.
Read full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/136800/default.aspx
Plays like Ben Reid. Could be a great developing tick by the club if it pays off since he was drafted as a Forward.
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was bastinac for me followed by talls with every pick after. if we were to take a tall at 19 i had carlisle and black in front of griffiths. would really like to see if we cant get our hands on black.
i know its dragging up old crap but i still think we should have found a way to finish with 4 wins in 09. picks 3 18 and 19 would have been great.
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was bastinac for me followed by talls with every pick after. if we were to take a tall at 19 i had carlisle and black in front of griffiths. would really like to see if we cant get our hands on black.
i know its dragging up old crap but i still think we should have found a way to finish with 4 wins in 09. picks 3 18 and 19 would have been great.
Jordan McMahon hit a target. Typically for Jordy he hit the target after the siren. Alas for us it still counted. Terrible day for football.
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thats right Tuckerbag, McMuffin never did anything right. All the Demons fans were cheering his goal that fateful day :banghead
But today will tell of other costly mistakes ;D
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big Ben has the potential to be the best big man in competition! Good mark, huge kick and clever. :shh
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Big Ben has massive potential, he just has a bit of natural grace and skill about him that other big fellas don't seem to have, if he can put in the hard yards, stay fit, I am with sabartooth
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Big Ben has massive potential, he just has a bit of natural grace and skill about him that other big fellas don't seem to have, if he can put in the hard yards, stay fit, I am with sabartooth
His talent has never been a talking point with me. l have said before he has talent but its the staying on the arena has always been my point. His played 1 game this season in the RFC side & has been injured numerous times at Coburg. He has not played alot of football over the years & some players do get injured is the slower leagues. Lets hope he stay injury free & we all get to see what he is capable of. l want to see Richmond players playing & giving something back to the club than sitting in rehab. Nothing more & nothing less.
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
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did we gift him a game and if so id say we should gift one or two others a game.
i see tyrone was straight back in not asked to perform at coburg and performed like a witches hat again. do we gift him more games or god forbid try someone else just like we did with griffiths. will say again i can give the club no credit for playing griffiths because if grimes had not got hurt he would not have played despite the structure being on the short side when grimes was there.
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did we gift him a game and if so id say we should gift one or two others a game.
i see tyrone was straight back in not asked to perform at coburg and performed like a witches hat again. do we gift him more games or god forbid try someone else just like we did with griffiths. will say again i can give the club no credit for playing griffiths because if grimes had not got hurt he would not have played despite the structure being on the short side when grimes was there.
disagree , spoke to ppl at the club early this season and the grimes injury was unfortunate but griffs was always gonna come in .. they have been working on him as a chf and were just being cautious waiting to see how his body held up, his concussion earlier in the season did not help him
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
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Claw, STFU.
Black wasn't rated half as highly as Griffiths. He's played 2 AFL games till now. Who cares.
Carlisle whilst rated highly still wasn't as highly as Griffiths and has played equal amount of games due to injury.
Stop posting slop that is pointless.
P.S Bastinac and Fyfe wouldn't get a game in our midfield. :wallywink :gotigers
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But for shoulder concerns Griff would have been top ten in his year. We rightfully took the chance and now will reap the benefits.
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As i said before thought this kid needed more game time in the magoos,however he did enough yesterday to suggest he is more than comfortable playing in the seniors...Not sure what the club does to keep him on the park,whether they adopt the same philosophy they did with cotch several years back and restrict his training ,or whether we just let him loose and cross our fingers
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Actually Pope I feel if we had gone Bastinac he would have been a gun in our midfield.
Thing is IMHO at Nought they aren't developing as well as they are at us and hence I feel that Nought are struggling right now. Thing with Nought is they have a good defensive and forward structure with some nice ruckmen but Harvey is virtually the only mid they have that can break the lines and he is from a by gone era. All they have now is a slowish in and under type midfield. All their mids are virtually the same type of player.
Having said that I am not disappointed at all we went for Griff. Griff filled a need and yesterday he proved to us what that despite his frailties how much we need him in our 22 week in week out and 100% fit. Hindsight is used at the end or when things are beyond repair. Right now all Griff needs is to play every game till the end of the year injury free and we'll be right.
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
There was also a guy named McMillan who I understand we were looking at but I think he went to Norf.
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But for shoulder concerns Griff would have been top ten in his year. We took rightfully took the chance and now will reap the benefits.
Correct
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Actually Pope I feel if we had gone Bastinac he would have been a gun in our midfield.
Thing is IMHO at Nought they aren't developing as well as they are at us and hence I feel that Nought are struggling right now. Thing with Nought is they have a good defensive and forward structure with some nice ruckmen but Harvey is virtually the only mid they have that can break the lines and he is from a by gone era. All they have now is a slowish in and under type midfield. All their mids are virtually the same type of player.
Having said that I am not disappointed at all we went for Griff. Griff filled a need and yesterday he proved to us what that despite his frailties how much we need him in our 22 week in week out and 100% fit. Hindsight is used at the end or when things are beyond repair. Right now all Griff needs is to play every game till the end of the year injury free and we'll be right.
Yeah spot on post. Bastinac and Fyfe comment was tongue in check lol
When we picked up Griffiths, Richo was on the otehr side of 30, Jack hadn't come on we were desperate for KP forwards. If we went another midfielder and Jack never came on, we never would have picked up Martin and would have gone tall in that draft..
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Actually Pope I feel if we had gone Bastinac he would have been a gun in our midfield.
Thing is IMHO at Nought they aren't developing as well as they are at us and hence I feel that Nought are struggling right now. Thing with Nought is they have a good defensive and forward structure with some nice ruckmen but Harvey is virtually the only mid they have that can break the lines and he is from a by gone era. All they have now is a slowish in and under type midfield. All their mids are virtually the same type of player.
Having said that I am not disappointed at all we went for Griff. Griff filled a need and yesterday he proved to us what that despite his frailties how much we need him in our 22 week in week out and 100% fit. Hindsight is used at the end or when things are beyond repair. Right now all Griff needs is to play every game till the end of the year injury free and we'll be right.
Yeah spot on post. Bastinac and Fyfe comment was tongue in check lol
When we picked up Griffiths, Richo was on the otehr side of 30, Jack hadn't come on we were desperate for KP forwards. If we went another midfielder and Jack never came on, we never would have picked up Martin and would have gone tall in that draft..
Well Jack had not had his break out year yet but Dimma and the coaching staff would have been of the thinking that going forward Jack was going to occupy a KPP post so we had a hand in both the mid and the tall basket in 2009 going rightly for Martin at 3 but getting Griffiths and Astbury as potential KPP's also.
When you have pick 3 as we did you go for the best available and for us that was Dustin. We get Griff and David up and running solves a hell of a lot of issues down our spine and makes us look much more formidable.
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did we gift him a game and if so id say we should gift one or two others a game.
i see tyrone was straight back in not asked to perform at coburg and performed like a witches hat again. do we gift him more games or god forbid try someone else just like we did with griffiths. will say again i can give the club no credit for playing griffiths because if grimes had not got hurt he would not have played despite the structure being on the short side when grimes was there.
Claw, again why do you keep saying Griffiths was gifted the game? He has clearly been our best preformed backman for Coburg this season! Post has also played well down back but unfortunately he showed his hand in round one, soft as butter! When grimes went down Griffiths was always next in line to come in.
As for Vickery what part of "He is our second Ruckman" don't you understand??? Unfortunately we can't play without him! As poor as he had been as a forward his chop out in the ruck is priceless. Who in your opinion should be in for Vickery to play as a forward and help in the ruck??
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Jeebus the bloke can move! His lateral running and movement looked better than I remember. Could hold down chb long term...
and Vickery showed how important he is to our structure, unfortunately we don't have anybody else who could play his role so going to have to cop his crap form for the time being - the chop out he gives big Ivarn is priceless.
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Erm elton = tyronek 2
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Actually Pope I feel if we had gone Bastinac he would have been a gun in our midfield.
Thing is IMHO at Nought they aren't developing as well as they are at us and hence I feel that Nought are struggling right now. Thing with Nought is they have a good defensive and forward structure with some nice ruckmen but Harvey is virtually the only mid they have that can break the lines and he is from a by gone era. All they have now is a slowish in and under type midfield. All their mids are virtually the same type of player.
Having said that I am not disappointed at all we went for Griff. Griff filled a need and yesterday he proved to us what that despite his frailties how much we need him in our 22 week in week out and 100% fit. Hindsight is used at the end or when things are beyond repair. Right now all Griff needs is to play every game till the end of the year injury free and we'll be right.
Yeah spot on post. Bastinac and Fyfe comment was tongue in check lol
When we picked up Griffiths, Richo was on the otehr side of 30, Jack hadn't come on we were desperate for KP forwards. If we went another midfielder and Jack never came on, we never would have picked up Martin and would have gone tall in that draft..
more utter b/s trengove scully martin and morabito were out and out stand outs in that draft. not even jackson could stuff that up and not take one of them.
sydney went to the extent where they offered us picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 to get a crack at either martin or morabito.
dunno what your going on about not taking martin. martin and griffiths were taken in the same draft so i dont see how not taking griffiths at 19 would mean we would not have taken martin at 3. we didnt even know if griffiths would still be there at 19. at 3 we took one of the two most outstanding prospects that were left.if you think we were not going to take one of them you are delusional.
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I am wondering whether any NFL scouts have heard any whispers about Ben Griffiths, feel he would be a sensation in the US given that from what i can see he averages around 60-65 metres each time he kicks the ball. Also had me thinking why yesterday was Newman kicking out during the rain when Griffiths would have kicked it to the centre square.
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Was a good ploy to kick it long down the middle to break open their zone. I just hope that every time he kicks it out he doesn't do the same thing otherwise it will be too easy to predict and defend. Was beautiful to see all the same. I think he loved hearing the crowd too whenever he roosted the ball :thumbsup
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
mate its garbage your trying to tell me we would have taken astbury at 19 if griffiths was not there. i pointed out two kpps who were much much better options than astbury and highly rated, both were touted to go first round. and i pointed out the fact that two potential A grade mids were also available at that pick. if it wasnt going to be griffiths at 19 it most certainly was not going to be astbury i can tell you now.
on bastinac hes done as much as any player from that draft to date and he missed most of last yr with a serious knee injury.
bartlett well he was an outstanding pick brisbane must have been beside themselves getting him where they did. trouble is you need a crystal ball to be able to foresee two knee reconstructions.
black well if possible hes had as much injury as griffiths has, he will be a player. he was a skinny kid unlike griffiths and was going to take a little time anyway.was good against men before getting drafted.
carlisle sheesh hes only played about 15 20 games what is there to not like about him. of the talls mentioned he is the best performed to date.
okay our boy.
griffiths. was a huge risk he only played about 10 games in two yrs before we drafted him he only showed glimpses. and we took him knowing he had serious shoulder probs.
athletically he was the best tall available at pick 19, but performance wise there were others in front of him with no risk.
there was also two potential A grade mids available as well. again we were not going to take astbury at 19.
not against us getting him and not against him. but i did and still do query the risk with such a pick.
with what he showed against hawthorn he will be a player.
i have always said i would have taken one of carlisle or black before him if we were to go tall, both will be players. but my preference was bastinac because i felt he could be elite. there was nothing to prevent us targeting tall areas with picks 35 onwards.
i have never been against griffiths or said he wont make it or had no talent ive always said i prefered those others for the reasons ive given.
just a question we targeted two kpfs in griffiths and astbury yet it seems neither will play as forwards atm. did we fail to address our forward needs or a better way to ask it did we get it wrong or fail to address those forward needs if neither become forwards.
taking todd elton last yr at pick 26 sort of says perhaps the club thinks we did.also with griffiths playing back perhaps astbury will now go to his rightful position at chf when he returns from injury.
anyway heres hoping we have found a big piece to the puzzle weather that be at chb or ff. would still like to see him in the forward line. for me he is a developing player rather than an established player and has a awful lot to prove before i will call him an afl player.
the rest of the yr playing every week weather that be all games at richmond or some time back at coburg is what he needs. his kicking and movement look to be real weapons if he can start clunking his fair share of contested marks and find his fair share of ball on a regular basis we will indeed have a player.
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Claw are you an idiot? We're they both recruited as forwards? Do you know that for fact? I would doubt it. The thing is we haven't had an issue with our forward line sinc recruiting both these guys! Maybe we drafted both of them with the thought of playing them forward but since our forwards then stepped up we shifted bothe these guys down back where we had major defincies. Astbury has played all his games as a backman and yes Griffiths did start his career up forward but was forced to start playing down back because the forward line was full! So in hind site I would say No we didn't fail recruiting two KPP forwards because we haven't needed two KPP forwards!
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Ben Reid board, leppitsch board... Smetimes players morph into something not expected, Reid was recruited as a fwd, looked a dud, went back and gee whiz.... A golden or unwritten rule about drafting young developing KPP, most play fwd at junior level bc that's where the best or most talented are usually played so usually the best talls taken are fwds.. from there clubs then decide where they will end up as they evaluate their development over the yrs. Hence Astbury, Post and now Griff are played and tried down back, just bc they are fwds initially doesn't mean they have to be fwds or can be fwds.
As for black and Carlisle, I've seen a bit of Carlisle, Griff showed more tricks and upside in yesterday's 1 match than I've seen from Carlisle. Carlisle is pretty slow and lumbering, stick him on an athletic fwd and he is toast, in the contest he is good though. Griff just needs to stay fit and on the bloody park, if he does then our gamble in drafting him will pay off jackpot style, if not then we take it on the chin, from what I saw the risk is worth it. Aybody who questions his upside or talent has little idea, if you question his body and longevity fair enough
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
There was also a guy named McMillan who I understand we were looking at but I think he went to Norf.
I could very well have my Norf players mixed up at pick 35 there. They are both average anyway.
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
mate its garbage your trying to tell me we would have taken astbury at 19 if griffiths was not there. i pointed out two kpps who were much much better options than astbury and highly rated, both were touted to go first round. and i pointed out the fact that two potential A grade mids were also available at that pick. if it wasnt going to be griffiths at 19 it most certainly was not going to be astbury i can tell you now.
on bastinac hes done as much as any player from that draft to date and he missed most of last yr with a serious knee injury.
bartlett well he was an outstanding pick brisbane must have been beside themselves getting him where they did. trouble is you need a crystal ball to be able to foresee two knee reconstructions.
black well if possible hes had as much injury as griffiths has, he will be a player. he was a skinny kid unlike griffiths and was going to take a little time anyway.was good against men before getting drafted.
carlisle sheesh hes only played about 15 20 games what is there to not like about him. of the talls mentioned he is the best performed to date.
okay our boy.
griffiths. was a huge risk he only played about 10 games in two yrs before we drafted him he only showed glimpses. and we took him knowing he had serious shoulder probs.
athletically he was the best tall available at pick 19, but performance wise there were others in front of him with no risk.
there was also two potential A grade mids available as well. again we were not going to take astbury at 19.
not against us getting him and not against him. but i did and still do query the risk with such a pick.
with what he showed against hawthorn he will be a player.
i have always said i would have taken one of carlisle or black before him if we were to go tall, both will be players. but my preference was bastinac because i felt he could be elite. there was nothing to prevent us targeting tall areas with picks 35 onwards.
i have never been against griffiths or said he wont make it or had no talent ive always said i prefered those others for the reasons ive given.
just a question we targeted two kpfs in griffiths and astbury yet it seems neither will play as forwards atm. did we fail to address our forward needs or a better way to ask it did we get it wrong or fail to address those forward needs if neither become forwards.
taking todd elton last yr at pick 26 sort of says perhaps the club thinks we did.also with griffiths playing back perhaps astbury will now go to his rightful position at chf when he returns from injury.
anyway heres hoping we have found a big piece to the puzzle weather that be at chb or ff. would still like to see him in the forward line. for me he is a developing player rather than an established player and has a awful lot to prove before i will call him an afl player.
the rest of the yr playing every week weather that be all games at richmond or some time back at coburg is what he needs. his kicking and movement look to be real weapons if he can start clunking his fair share of contested marks and find his fair share of ball on a regular basis we will indeed have a player.
So what I said we would have done is garbage because you personally think it wasn't the right option? lol ok then. Didn't read the rest of the jibberish after the highlighted part. :shh :lol
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
mate its garbage your trying to tell me we would have taken astbury at 19 if griffiths was not there. i pointed out two kpps who were much much better options than astbury and highly rated, both were touted to go first round. and i pointed out the fact that two potential A grade mids were also available at that pick. if it wasnt going to be griffiths at 19 it most certainly was not going to be astbury i can tell you now.
on bastinac hes done as much as any player from that draft to date and he missed most of last yr with a serious knee injury.
bartlett well he was an outstanding pick brisbane must have been beside themselves getting him where they did. trouble is you need a crystal ball to be able to foresee two knee reconstructions.
black well if possible hes had as much injury as griffiths has, he will be a player. he was a skinny kid unlike griffiths and was going to take a little time anyway.was good against men before getting drafted.
carlisle sheesh hes only played about 15 20 games what is there to not like about him. of the talls mentioned he is the best performed to date.
okay our boy.
griffiths. was a huge risk he only played about 10 games in two yrs before we drafted him he only showed glimpses. and we took him knowing he had serious shoulder probs.
athletically he was the best tall available at pick 19, but performance wise there were others in front of him with no risk.
there was also two potential A grade mids available as well. again we were not going to take astbury at 19.
not against us getting him and not against him. but i did and still do query the risk with such a pick.
with what he showed against hawthorn he will be a player.
i have always said i would have taken one of carlisle or black before him if we were to go tall, both will be players. but my preference was bastinac because i felt he could be elite. there was nothing to prevent us targeting tall areas with picks 35 onwards.
i have never been against griffiths or said he wont make it or had no talent ive always said i prefered those others for the reasons ive given.
just a question we targeted two kpfs in griffiths and astbury yet it seems neither will play as forwards atm. did we fail to address our forward needs or a better way to ask it did we get it wrong or fail to address those forward needs if neither become forwards.
taking todd elton last yr at pick 26 sort of says perhaps the club thinks we did.also with griffiths playing back perhaps astbury will now go to his rightful position at chf when he returns from injury.
anyway heres hoping we have found a big piece to the puzzle weather that be at chb or ff. would still like to see him in the forward line. for me he is a developing player rather than an established player and has a awful lot to prove before i will call him an afl player.
the rest of the yr playing every week weather that be all games at richmond or some time back at coburg is what he needs. his kicking and movement look to be real weapons if he can start clunking his fair share of contested marks and find his fair share of ball on a regular basis we will indeed have a player.
So we're just ignoring the fact that Bartlett had dodgy knees before being drafted, are we? ;)
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
mate its garbage your trying to tell me we would have taken astbury at 19 if griffiths was not there. i pointed out two kpps who were much much better options than astbury and highly rated, both were touted to go first round. and i pointed out the fact that two potential A grade mids were also available at that pick. if it wasnt going to be griffiths at 19 it most certainly was not going to be astbury i can tell you now.
on bastinac hes done as much as any player from that draft to date and he missed most of last yr with a serious knee injury.
bartlett well he was an outstanding pick brisbane must have been beside themselves getting him where they did. trouble is you need a crystal ball to be able to foresee two knee reconstructions.
black well if possible hes had as much injury as griffiths has, he will be a player. he was a skinny kid unlike griffiths and was going to take a little time anyway.was good against men before getting drafted.
carlisle sheesh hes only played about 15 20 games what is there to not like about him. of the talls mentioned he is the best performed to date.
okay our boy.
griffiths. was a huge risk he only played about 10 games in two yrs before we drafted him he only showed glimpses. and we took him knowing he had serious shoulder probs.
athletically he was the best tall available at pick 19, but performance wise there were others in front of him with no risk.
there was also two potential A grade mids available as well. again we were not going to take astbury at 19.
not against us getting him and not against him. but i did and still do query the risk with such a pick.
with what he showed against hawthorn he will be a player.
i have always said i would have taken one of carlisle or black before him if we were to go tall, both will be players. but my preference was bastinac because i felt he could be elite. there was nothing to prevent us targeting tall areas with picks 35 onwards.
i have never been against griffiths or said he wont make it or had no talent ive always said i prefered those others for the reasons ive given.
just a question we targeted two kpfs in griffiths and astbury yet it seems neither will play as forwards atm. did we fail to address our forward needs or a better way to ask it did we get it wrong or fail to address those forward needs if neither become forwards.
taking todd elton last yr at pick 26 sort of says perhaps the club thinks we did.also with griffiths playing back perhaps astbury will now go to his rightful position at chf when he returns from injury.
anyway heres hoping we have found a big piece to the puzzle weather that be at chb or ff. would still like to see him in the forward line. for me he is a developing player rather than an established player and has a awful lot to prove before i will call him an afl player.
the rest of the yr playing every week weather that be all games at richmond or some time back at coburg is what he needs. his kicking and movement look to be real weapons if he can start clunking his fair share of contested marks and find his fair share of ball on a regular basis we will indeed have a player.
So we're just ignoring the fact that Bartlett had dodgy knees before being drafted, are we? ;)
Lol should have kept reading. :lol
Griff has had less shoulder injuries than Bartlett has had knee reco's :lol
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Might further add he is a great kick. and thats about it
Like I said to you Jack, he's a lot more than just that.
Really pleased with his performance in his first game back on the weekend. Looked at ease.
So much to work with. :)
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a) griffiths was the only player left in the draft at 19 that was said to have
Been 'top 5 in the draft pool if not for injury`. With the rebuilding melbourne with so many high picks taking griff was the risk we needed to take.
b) with rance. Grimed. Griff looking like our 3 long term large defenders. Along witg vickery ruck
\ forward. It looks to me astbury is the perfect 3rd tall forward option.
Black was not highly rated draft day.
If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
mate its garbage your trying to tell me we would have taken astbury at 19 if griffiths was not there. i pointed out two kpps who were much much better options than astbury and highly rated, both were touted to go first round. and i pointed out the fact that two potential A grade mids were also available at that pick. if it wasnt going to be griffiths at 19 it most certainly was not going to be astbury i can tell you now.
on bastinac hes done as much as any player from that draft to date and he missed most of last yr with a serious knee injury.
bartlett well he was an outstanding pick brisbane must have been beside themselves getting him where they did. trouble is you need a crystal ball to be able to foresee two knee reconstructions.
black well if possible hes had as much injury as griffiths has, he will be a player. he was a skinny kid unlike griffiths and was going to take a little time anyway.was good against men before getting drafted.
carlisle sheesh hes only played about 15 20 games what is there to not like about him. of the talls mentioned he is the best performed to date.
okay our boy.
griffiths. was a huge risk he only played about 10 games in two yrs before we drafted him he only showed glimpses. and we took him knowing he had serious shoulder probs.
athletically he was the best tall available at pick 19, but performance wise there were others in front of him with no risk.
there was also two potential A grade mids available as well. again we were not going to take astbury at 19.
not against us getting him and not against him. but i did and still do query the risk with such a pick.
with what he showed against hawthorn he will be a player.
i have always said i would have taken one of carlisle or black before him if we were to go tall, both will be players. but my preference was bastinac because i felt he could be elite. there was nothing to prevent us targeting tall areas with picks 35 onwards.
i have never been against griffiths or said he wont make it or had no talent ive always said i prefered those others for the reasons ive given.
just a question we targeted two kpfs in griffiths and astbury yet it seems neither will play as forwards atm. did we fail to address our forward needs or a better way to ask it did we get it wrong or fail to address those forward needs if neither become forwards.
taking todd elton last yr at pick 26 sort of says perhaps the club thinks we did.also with griffiths playing back perhaps astbury will now go to his rightful position at chf when he returns from injury.
anyway heres hoping we have found a big piece to the puzzle weather that be at chb or ff. would still like to see him in the forward line. for me he is a developing player rather than an established player and has a awful lot to prove before i will call him an afl player.
the rest of the yr playing every week weather that be all games at richmond or some time back at coburg is what he needs. his kicking and movement look to be real weapons if he can start clunking his fair share of contested marks and find his fair share of ball on a regular basis we will indeed have a player.
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Ill prove it to u claw#
Batch. Grimes. Dea.
Griff. Rance. Morris.
Ellis. Deledio. Grigg.
Astbury. Vickery. Conca.
Cotchin. Riewoldt. Martin.
I.Maric. Tuck. Foley.
Newman. Edwards. King. Nahas
Next in line talls: OHanlon. Elton. Post. Moore? Browne. Derickx.
Mids: Helbig. Aarnot. A Maric. Jacko etc.forgot houli*
At the least rfc would have a tallish team with 2 ruckman size bookends +imaric.
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
mate its garbage your trying to tell me we would have taken astbury at 19 if griffiths was not there. i pointed out two kpps who were much much better options than astbury and highly rated, both were touted to go first round. and i pointed out the fact that two potential A grade mids were also available at that pick. if it wasnt going to be griffiths at 19 it most certainly was not going to be astbury i can tell you now.
on bastinac hes done as much as any player from that draft to date and he missed most of last yr with a serious knee injury.
bartlett well he was an outstanding pick brisbane must have been beside themselves getting him where they did. trouble is you need a crystal ball to be able to foresee two knee reconstructions.
black well if possible hes had as much injury as griffiths has, he will be a player. he was a skinny kid unlike griffiths and was going to take a little time anyway.was good against men before getting drafted.
carlisle sheesh hes only played about 15 20 games what is there to not like about him. of the talls mentioned he is the best performed to date.
okay our boy.
griffiths. was a huge risk he only played about 10 games in two yrs before we drafted him he only showed glimpses. and we took him knowing he had serious shoulder probs.
athletically he was the best tall available at pick 19, but performance wise there were others in front of him with no risk.
there was also two potential A grade mids available as well. again we were not going to take astbury at 19.
not against us getting him and not against him. but i did and still do query the risk with such a pick.
with what he showed against hawthorn he will be a player.
i have always said i would have taken one of carlisle or black before him if we were to go tall, both will be players. but my preference was bastinac because i felt he could be elite. there was nothing to prevent us targeting tall areas with picks 35 onwards.
i have never been against griffiths or said he wont make it or had no talent ive always said i prefered those others for the reasons ive given.
just a question we targeted two kpfs in griffiths and astbury yet it seems neither will play as forwards atm. did we fail to address our forward needs or a better way to ask it did we get it wrong or fail to address those forward needs if neither become forwards.
taking todd elton last yr at pick 26 sort of says perhaps the club thinks we did.also with griffiths playing back perhaps astbury will now go to his rightful position at chf when he returns from injury.
anyway heres hoping we have found a big piece to the puzzle weather that be at chb or ff. would still like to see him in the forward line. for me he is a developing player rather than an established player and has a awful lot to prove before i will call him an afl player.
the rest of the yr playing every week weather that be all games at richmond or some time back at coburg is what he needs. his kicking and movement look to be real weapons if he can start clunking his fair share of contested marks and find his fair share of ball on a regular basis we will indeed have a player.
So what I said we would have done is garbage because you personally think it wasn't the right option? lol ok then. Didn't read the rest of the jibberish after the highlighted part. :shh :lol
lol so what you ask. you dont read peoples posts because your and ignorant nuff nuff i would never be that discouteous to a fellow poster. if you cant read posts dont answer them.
well you talked rubbish astbury before any of those mentioned was not going to happen any fool with half a brain knows it. you only had to loosly folow the kids thru the yr to know that. the fact the lot of em went before astbury says it all.
dont talk rubbish and you wont get pulled up for it. difference between you and me is i know they would not have taken astbury in front of any of those mentioned you only think you know. does any one around here use common sense . did astbury remotely look like he had elite written all over him or even A grader of course he didnt. silly thing is i had him pencilled in at 35 or 44 depending who was available.
ive had people call me an idiot because ive said both astbury and griffiths were taken as key forwrds sheesh griffiths was touted the next plugger and astbury was a pure hit up forward. they were drafted on the back of playing forward and supposedly would address the gaping holes in the forward half.
those same holes that were created by delisting and trading schulz, polak, hughes and pattison. leaving just a steadily improving riewoldt and post.
again if astbury and griffiths are defenders did we fail to address our needs did we assess those players wrong when we drafted them.
today the only key forwards on the list are todd elton first yr. , riewoldt the only truly established up to afl standard tall forward we have., miller who is a hack, post who we no longer know what he is because hes been pulled from pillar to post.
his preseason was geared up as a defender and his one game he played defense. so is post a forward or not? it may all be irrelevant as it seems his papers have been stamped the way hes been treated.
finally and people will insist hes a kpf vickery who to date has had 3 very odinary seasons in 4 . the only saving grace with vickery to date has been 36 goals in a season he looks ordinary in most other aspects of the game to date.
the 09 draft
3 martin/morabito were the only options we were all over martin from get go. im sure if we had the choice between martin scully and trengove we would have taken martin.
19 if not griffiths and we were to go tall it most certainly would have been one of carlisle or black. black was tipped to go at around pick 12 and was probably the most inform tall going into that draft he went so well he broke into peels seniors late in the season and did well. he also tested very well at the draft camp in some critical areas. carlisle was rated along with talia.
griffiths had hardly played a game in two seasons before the draft about 10 i think.
if we went small bastinac would have been the man fyfe was under most peoples radar and bartlett while coming off a knee was regarded as one of the best kids in the country before he did it.
ive heard rubbish like we would not have taken martin if we didnt take griffiths ffs how does that work and ive heard we would have taken astbury in front of a fair few players who quite frankly everyone knew were better credentialled players than astbury. ffs you people cant even get the draft picks right we had pick 35 and that is where we took astbury.
noone is disagreeing with griffiths potential no one is saying he cant play but some of us had others in front of him. every single club overlooked griffiths and there was talk he would last to the 30s because of his shoulder. its the same reason why bartlett slipped with a knee.
its typical richmond supporters though. griffiths has now played one decent game for us . yes he did nothing in his previous 9 apart from a glimpse of his kicking and movement.
while not my choice in the draft i think he will probably turn out to be a good pick but i for one wont be acclaiming him a player until he actually puts the runs on the board with good consistent performances.
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If Griff wasnt available we would have gone:
3: Martin
19: Astbury
35: Ayden Kennedy
43: Dea
51: Taylor
Griff has played more games than Kennedy. :whistle
what rubbish.
we had the option at pick 19 of talls carlisle, black, and griffiths. easily the best 3 talls available at that pick. smalls bastinac fyfe and bartlett were also available.
What's rubbish about it? And lol Griff>Bastinac. :wallywink
mate its garbage your trying to tell me we would have taken astbury at 19 if griffiths was not there. i pointed out two kpps who were much much better options than astbury and highly rated, both were touted to go first round. and i pointed out the fact that two potential A grade mids were also available at that pick. if it wasnt going to be griffiths at 19 it most certainly was not going to be astbury i can tell you now.
on bastinac hes done as much as any player from that draft to date and he missed most of last yr with a serious knee injury.
bartlett well he was an outstanding pick brisbane must have been beside themselves getting him where they did. trouble is you need a crystal ball to be able to foresee two knee reconstructions.
black well if possible hes had as much injury as griffiths has, he will be a player. he was a skinny kid unlike griffiths and was going to take a little time anyway.was good against men before getting drafted.
carlisle sheesh hes only played about 15 20 games what is there to not like about him. of the talls mentioned he is the best performed to date.
okay our boy.
griffiths. was a huge risk he only played about 10 games in two yrs before we drafted him he only showed glimpses. and we took him knowing he had serious shoulder probs.
athletically he was the best tall available at pick 19, but performance wise there were others in front of him with no risk.
there was also two potential A grade mids available as well. again we were not going to take astbury at 19.
not against us getting him and not against him. but i did and still do query the risk with such a pick.
with what he showed against hawthorn he will be a player.
i have always said i would have taken one of carlisle or black before him if we were to go tall, both will be players. but my preference was bastinac because i felt he could be elite. there was nothing to prevent us targeting tall areas with picks 35 onwards.
i have never been against griffiths or said he wont make it or had no talent ive always said i prefered those others for the reasons ive given.
just a question we targeted two kpfs in griffiths and astbury yet it seems neither will play as forwards atm. did we fail to address our forward needs or a better way to ask it did we get it wrong or fail to address those forward needs if neither become forwards.
taking todd elton last yr at pick 26 sort of says perhaps the club thinks we did.also with griffiths playing back perhaps astbury will now go to his rightful position at chf when he returns from injury.
anyway heres hoping we have found a big piece to the puzzle weather that be at chb or ff. would still like to see him in the forward line. for me he is a developing player rather than an established player and has a awful lot to prove before i will call him an afl player.
the rest of the yr playing every week weather that be all games at richmond or some time back at coburg is what he needs. his kicking and movement look to be real weapons if he can start clunking his fair share of contested marks and find his fair share of ball on a regular basis we will indeed have a player.
So what I said we would have done is garbage because you personally think it wasn't the right option? lol ok then. Didn't read the rest of the jibberish after the highlighted part. :shh :lol
lol so what you ask. you dont read peoples posts because your and ignorant nuff nuff i would never be that discouteous to a fellow poster. if you cant read posts dont answer them.
well you talked rubbish astbury before any of those mentioned was not going to happen any fool with half a brain knows it. you only had to loosly folow the kids thru the yr to know that. the fact the lot of em went before astbury says it all.
dont talk rubbish and you wont get pulled up for it. difference between you and me is i know they would not have taken astbury in front of any of those mentioned you only think you know. does any one around here use common sense . did astbury remotely look like he had elite written all over him or even A grader of course he didnt. silly thing is i had him pencilled in at 35 or 44 depending who was available.
ive had people call me an idiot because ive said both astbury and griffiths were taken as key forwrds sheesh griffiths was touted the next plugger and astbury was a pure hit up forward. they were drafted on the back of playing forward and supposedly would address the gaping holes in the forward half.
those same holes that were created by delisting and trading schulz, polak, hughes and pattison. leaving just a steadily improving riewoldt and post.
again if astbury and griffiths are defenders did we fail to address our needs did we assess those players wrong when we drafted them.
today the only key forwards on the list are todd elton first yr. , riewoldt the only truly established up to afl standard tall forward we have., miller who is a hack, post who we no longer know what he is because hes been pulled from pillar to post.
his preseason was geared up as a defender and his one game he played defense. so is post a forward or not? it may all be irrelevant as it seems his papers have been stamped the way hes been treated.
finally and people will insist hes a kpf vickery who to date has had 3 very odinary seasons in 4 . the only saving grace with vickery to date has been 36 goals in a season he looks ordinary in most other aspects of the game to date.
the 09 draft
3 martin/morabito were the only options we were all over martin from get go. im sure if we had the choice between martin scully and trengove we would have taken martin.
19 if not griffiths and we were to go tall it most certainly would have been one of carlisle or black. black was tipped to go at around pick 12 and was probably the most inform tall going into that draft he went so well he broke into peels seniors late in the season and did well. he also tested very well at the draft camp in some critical areas. carlisle was rated along with talia.
griffiths had hardly played a game in two seasons before the draft about 10 i think.
if we went small bastinac would have been the man fyfe was under most peoples radar and bartlett while coming off a knee was regarded as one of the best kids in the country before he did it.
ive heard rubbish like we would not have taken martin if we didnt take griffiths ffs how does that work and ive heard we would have taken astbury in front of a fair few players who quite frankly everyone knew were better credentialled players than astbury. ffs you people cant even get the draft picks right we had pick 35 and that is where we took astbury.
noone is disagreeing with griffiths potential no one is saying he cant play but some of us had others in front of him. every single club overlooked griffiths and there was talk he would last to the 30s because of his shoulder. its the same reason why bartlett slipped with a knee.
its typical richmond supporters though. griffiths has now played one decent game for us . yes he did nothing in his previous 9 apart from a glimpse of his kicking and movement.
while not my choice in the draft i think he will probably turn out to be a good pick but i for one wont be acclaiming him a player until he actually puts the runs on the board with good consistent performances.
I didn't need to read the rest of your post. It's the same stuff all the time. I'm not saying I agree we should have taken Astbury at 19 but it would have happened. Our recruiters don't follow the Phantom Drafts. Conca/Batchelor/Helbig the year after. Were they as highly rated as where we took them?
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I forgot about Sydney offering us picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 that year.
Not saying I would have done it then or even now (very happy with our lot) - but in hindsight we could have had a Fyfe at #6 and a Bastinac at #14 instead of Martin (assuming our recruiters rated them they way they have now turned out).
Imagine that midfield with Cotch Lids Foley Tuck hmmmm ;D
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You go to confession then wash your mouth out with soap.
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a) griffiths was the only player left in the draft at 19 that was said to have
Been 'top 5 in the draft pool if not for injury`. With the rebuilding melbourne with so many high picks taking griff was the risk we needed to take.
b) with rance. Grimed. Griff looking like our 3 long term large defenders. Along witg vickery ruck
\ forward. It looks to me astbury is the perfect 3rd tall forward option.
Black was not highly rated draft day.
[/quote]A] you have to be kidding i would argue every day of the week you do not take unneccesary risks with top 20 picks or even top 30 picks. can you imagine the anger if griffiths had totally broken down. black and carlisle had no risk involved and neither did bastinac. they all looked like they would be very good players and had the form on the board. you do realise while griffiths was rated on his athletic ability he played little footy for two yrs leading up to the draft. i may well end up pleased that we took the risk but i would never want them to take it under those circumstances not with such a valuable pick. go have a look at any tapes you can get on griffiths leading up to the draft there was nothing to write home about i can tell you. very few contested marks only got it on the lead a man mountain against boys and lacked the physicality to dominate them. to be honest i was underwhelmed but he gave the odd glimpse with his pace his agility and the odd leap and contested mark. for sure he had ability but just too many questions for me with that pick.
dont know what you are going on about with melbourne they had 4 picks inside 18 and took 4 mids. the only three talls taken in the top 20 were butcher talia and griffiths. butcher at 7, carlisle went 24 and black at 25.
melbourne indeed stuffed up by not taking at least one tall with the 4 picks inside 20 that they had.
B) lol black not being rated taken at pick 25 and just the 5th tall taken that draft says he was highly rated. again his form leading into the draft was the best of any tall imo. he showed at age 18 that he had the tools playing against men. the talk was he could go at around pick 12 only butcher and talia were in front of him at one stage.great pair of hands fantastic kick dual sided and brilliant vertical leap. and clean only ever needed one touch. while skinny had a body that looked like it would bulk up.
to be honest im not sure what we are arguing about here. i think we all agree griffiths looks to be a player but imo those mentioned all look to be players as well. my main gripe is not really about griffiths but the risk involved in taking him with that pick. i would never ever take a risk with such a valuable pick as pick 19.
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Ill prove it to u claw#
Batch. Grimes. Dea.
Griff. Rance. Morris.
Ellis. Deledio. Grigg.
Astbury. Vickery. Conca.
Cotchin. Riewoldt. Martin.
I.Maric. Tuck. Foley.
Newman. Edwards. King. Nahas
Next in line talls: OHanlon. Elton. Post. Moore? Browne. Derickx.
Mids: Helbig. Aarnot. A Maric. Jacko etc.forgot houli*
At the least rfc would have a tallish team with 2 ruckman size bookends +imaric.
i can totally live with team apart from the interchange bench.
next in line talls. ohanlon is a medium i suppose he can play tall hasnt played a game but theres potential hes a long way to go. elton is a first yr player has potential would hope with such a good pick at 26 he makes it.. post there has to be doubts about him now. may not be there next yr. moore well he should retire no guarantee he will get back is pushing 29 30 next yr wont be around long even if he gets back.
browne now cmon we havr to say its unlikely he will make it. derickx is 25 will have had two yrs to get a game and failed. atm the tall options are very limited. miller not the way forward. mcguane dud. it leaves just a few rookies.
even those in the 22 asbury griffiths vickery have not done a lot and its more a potential thing than performance.
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Mr Claw, you still havent answered my question as to why you think Griffiths was gifted a game and to whom you would have given the game to instead??
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Mr Claw, you still havent answered my question as to why you think Griffiths was gifted a game and to whom you would have given the game to instead??
you ain't getting an answer TFT
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Checkmate TFT :clapping
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Mr Claw, you still havent answered my question as to why you think Griffiths was gifted a game and to whom you would have given the game to instead??
you ain't getting an answer TFT
I get that feeling......Its been 5 days ;D
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just as if you ask him what personal traits all these guns we overlooked in the draft would bring to the club.
[cue sounds of crickets]
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Claw are you an idiot? We're they both recruited as forwards? Do you know that for fact? I would doubt it. The thing is we haven't had an issue with our forward line sinc recruiting both these guys! Maybe we drafted both of them with the thought of playing them forward but since our forwards then stepped up we shifted bothe these guys down back where we had major defincies. Astbury has played all his games as a backman and yes Griffiths did start his career up forward but was forced to start playing down back because the forward line was full! So in hind site I would say No we didn't fail recruiting two KPP forwards because we haven't needed two KPP forwards!
Griffith and Astbury were recruited in 2009.
In 2009 Pattison, Hughes and Putt were delisted, Schulz was traded, Richo retired and Polak was demoted to the rookie list.
That's SIX forwards off the senior list and TWO possibles on.
"We haven't had an issue with our forward line" and "the forward line was full".
WHY did we recruit MILLER then and play him for 14 games last year?
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Some nice signs by Ben - great kicking, neat skills, very good decision making. Offensively a very good game by Ben.
However the key concerns with Ben on his intensity, durability and physicality remain.
Ben has had the rose glasses treatment because of our win but he flew often one handed and didn't straight linemarking contests, dropped his head and marks in marking contests and actually didn't take a mark in the game.
On the occassions where he was one out with Hale he was outbodied and outmarked easily.
I'd be concerned if he was earmarked to play on Kosi next week
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First week is hard to come back after a long layoff.
Second can be harder especially mentally having to overcome fatigue and the pace of the game.
I feel he is up to the challenge though.
He'll be right, once he gets his confidence up he'll be a rock in our D50. :thumbsup
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Have always been a big fan, but was getting increasingly worried with the injuries he was copping in the VFL and also was not keen on his move to the backline . . . but credit where it's due, Ben played a very handy game over the weekend and showed he has the smarts and size to be a key player for us. He has a standard now that he should meet week in week out when he plays . . . gotta say, big fan of the 'rooost'! :cheers :bow
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I forgot about Sydney offering us picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 that year.
Not saying I would have done it then or even now (very happy with our lot) - but in hindsight we could have had a Fyfe at #6 and a Bastinac at #14 instead of Martin (assuming our recruiters rated them they way they have now turned out).
Imagine that midfield with Cotch Lids Foley Tuck hmmmm ;D
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I forgot about Sydney offering us picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 that year.
Not saying I would have done it then or even now (very happy with our lot) - but in hindsight we could have had a Fyfe at #6 and a Bastinac at #14 instead of Martin (assuming our recruiters rated them they way they have now turned out).
Imagine that midfield with Cotch Lids Foley Tuck hmmmm ;D
Personally would prefer Martin. Especially when chances are we wouldn't have got Fyfe at 6 seems we ignored him at 19. Not a Bastinac fan either TBH. Pretty average kick like the rest of the Kangas midfield.
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Some nice signs by Ben - great kicking, neat skills, very good decision making. Offensively a very good game by Ben.
However the key concerns with Ben on his intensity, durability and physicality remain.
Ben has had the rose glasses treatment because of our win but he flew often one handed and didn't straight linemarking contests, dropped his head and marks in marking contests and actually didn't take a mark in the game.
On the occassions where he was one out with Hale he was outbodied and outmarked easily.
I'd be concerned if he was earmarked to play on Kosi next week
We have to be careful not to crucify this kid in his first year as a CHB. Most 'keys' take a couple of years to develop ala Grimes and Rance. I'd be more than happy if he breaks even in 50% of games.
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Some nice signs by Ben - great kicking, neat skills, very good decision making. Offensively a very good game by Ben.
However the key concerns with Ben on his intensity, durability and physicality remain.
Ben has had the rose glasses treatment because of our win but he flew often one handed and didn't straight linemarking contests, dropped his head and marks in marking contests and actually didn't take a mark in the game.
On the occassions where he was one out with Hale he was outbodied and outmarked easily.
I'd be concerned if he was earmarked to play on Kosi next week
We have to be careful not to crucify this kid in his first year as a CHB. Most 'keys' take a couple of years to develop ala Grimes and Rance. I'd be more than happy if he breaks even in 50% of games.
Yep, I'd be more than happy if we can put him back to the 3rd tall spot minding the resting rucks as soon as Grimes is fit again.
Will be able to run off and collect scraps at that possie and then use his cannon to put the pill over the forward press and deep to the forwards particularly the resting mids like Martin, Cotchin and Deledio.
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I hate to say it, but this guy could be the difference between just getting into the 8 and a real premiership threat.
He is THAT good.
Any 20 year old 200cm 100kg+ agile, quick coordinated player that can kick 70m provides so much x factor, it's not funny.
Imagine him in 3 years!
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I hate to say it, but this guy could be the difference between just getting into the 8 and a real premiership threat.
He is THAT good.
Any 20 year old 200cm 100kg+ agile, quick coordinated player that can kick 70m provides so much x factor, it's not funny.
Imagine him in 3 years!
Only one thing wrong with going to Tiger Forums and reading posts like that.
Especially after a good win.
The fact i have to continually re-adjust myself. LOL ;D :gotigers
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Mr Claw, you still havent answered my question as to why you think Griffiths was gifted a game and to whom you would have given the game to instead??
and here i was thinking i had answered it when we argued over his form at coburg .
they have to earn it is basically the mantra.
the 4 games leading up to this week. he got knocked out 1st q week 1, did nothing week 2. probably still affected from the head knock.
hurt his knee and only played a half week 3 and scraped into the best plaers week 4. hardly earnt a game id say.
others have been in the best players two or three weeks in a row at coburg and they dont get a game. this while hacks like nahas jackson king and edwards have all performed poorly along with vickery.
ben got a game because the structure was poo. there was no one else. so we played him and look what happened.we gave a kid a chance and he showed a bit.
this all leads us back to actually dropping underperformers. we dont. we persevere with them. griffiths is a good example of why we should not be gifting blokes games who are currently in the team. there are other options and you just dont know what you will get.
id give derickx a game and post in front of vickery who has played 7 games and been in our worst two players in all 7 games hes played. the only reason he missed playing was because he got injured so he didnt get dropped despite shocking performances. there was no going back to coburg for him and earning a spot nope hes a favorite.
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Claw are you an idiot? We're they both recruited as forwards? Do you know that for fact? I would doubt it. The thing is we haven't had an issue with our forward line sinc recruiting both these guys! Maybe we drafted both of them with the thought of playing them forward but since our forwards then stepped up we shifted bothe these guys down back where we had major defincies. Astbury has played all his games as a backman and yes Griffiths did start his career up forward but was forced to start playing down back because the forward line was full! So in hind site I would say No we didn't fail recruiting two KPP forwards because we haven't needed two KPP forwards!
lol this has to be one of the funniest most ill informed posts ive ever read on these boards. ain't delusion grand.
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Grimes and batch got injured, a backman had to come in. Who would of you rathered get the spot?
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Grimes and batch got injured, a backman had to come in. Who would of you rathered get the spot?
griffiths was fine for me or give post another crack. im all for peeing off out of the team those who regularly under perfrom and giving the kids more games.
as i said most of this debate is a lead up to vickery and how pee poor hes been in all 7 games hes played. go read my posts in the last 3 or 4 pages.
part of the argument was griffiths had earnt his spot and that is patently false. he basically missed 6 quarters in his last 4 games from being hurt. he did nothing in one and scraped into the best players in another. he did not earn a game which is what the club has been saying all the young players must do. just a point that others on here wont acknowledge. if we can gift griffiths a game surely we can some others as well. look what happens when you give talented kids a game.
me i disagree with this and think we should drop underperforming players in the 1sts for players just like griffiths. vickery is the case in point. without a doubt in his 7 games this yr hes been in our worst 2 players each week.
unbelievable that he was not made to find form at coburg and EARN a spot. allowing us to give a bloke like derickx a game or bring post back in after kicking 5 goals in similar circumstances to what we did with griffiths, that is just give him a game .
vickery had a lousy preseason and only what he did last yr got him a game. then had a lousy 6 games in a row, then missed two weeks with injury and hey presto straight back in to perform bloody poorly again. why arent we making him earn a game and dont give me the structure b/s there are options to get around the problem.
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lol Mr Claw once again you are the king of contradicting yourself :lol
Let's have another look a Griffiths form shall we and go back one more game than you cared to mention earlier......his form looks like this, round 5 BOG, R6 injured conclusion, R7 did very little in a age where we got flogged and as you said probably still suffering from the conclusion R8 hurt his knee, and round 9 back to form with another BOG. Considering the time he had off that's not a bad effort hardly the poor form you say he was in?
You also mention the OTHERS that got BOG 2 pr 3 weeks in a row do you want to name them perhaps because I'm not exactly sure who your talking about :huh
You then try and deflect away from your Griffiths mistake by bringing up Vickery saying he should be dropped for Derickx :lol WTF has Derickx done to deserve a game? NOTHING! But because it suites your flawed argument its ok to bring in a guy who played in the VFL development squad only 2 rounds ago and hasn't even looked like getting a BOG for Coburg!
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Claw are you an idiot? We're they both recruited as forwards? Do you know that for fact? I would doubt it. The thing is we haven't had an issue with our forward line sinc recruiting both these guys! Maybe we drafted both of them with the thought of playing them forward but since our forwards then stepped up we shifted bothe these guys down back where we had major defincies. Astbury has played all his games as a backman and yes Griffiths did start his career up forward but was forced to start playing down back because the forward line was full! So in hind site I would say No we didn't fail recruiting two KPP forwards because we haven't needed two KPP forwards!
lol this has to be one of the funniest most ill informed posts ive ever read on these boards. ain't delusion grand.
Ill informed how? I would love to hear your version, please do tell....
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Grimes and batch got injured, a backman had to come in. Who would of you rathered get the spot?
griffiths was fine for me or give post another crack. im all for peeing off out of the team those who regularly under perfrom and giving the kids more games.
as i said most of this debate is a lead up to vickery and how pee poor hes been in all 7 games hes played. go read my posts in the last 3 or 4 pages.
part of the argument was griffiths had earnt his spot and that is patently false. he basically missed 6 quarters in his last 4 games from being hurt. he did nothing in one and scraped into the best players in another. he did not earn a game which is what the club has been saying all the young players must do. just a point that others on here wont acknowledge. if we can gift griffiths a game surely we can some others as well. look what happens when you give talented kids a game.
me i disagree with this and think we should drop underperforming players in the 1sts for players just like griffiths. vickery is the case in point. without a doubt in his 7 games this yr hes been in our worst 2 players each week.
unbelievable that he was not made to find form at coburg and EARN a spot. allowing us to give a bloke like derickx a game or bring post back in after kicking 5 goals in similar circumstances to what we did with griffiths, that is just give him a game .
vickery had a lousy preseason and only what he did last yr got him a game. then had a lousy 6 games in a row, then missed two weeks with injury and hey presto straight back in to perform bloody poorly again. why arent we making him earn a game and dont give me the structure b/s there are options to get around the problem.
Claw, with the Vickery situation it's pretty straight forward why he plays and gets a game even though output is horrible. Derickx can ruck but is a lumberer, his fwd pressure would be nil, same goes for those calling for beefcake to get a game.Vickery has been woeful but he is agile, quick and covers the territory required of a big fwd that needs to apply frontal pressure. He is also doing a lot of things off the ball that you don't see from the armchair, put on numerous blocks and led well on the weekend, can confidently say that Post and derickx could not do this in the same role. We don't have anybody else who can play fwd and relieve Maric in the ruck and u can't play 2 ruckmen these days unless they can both do the job up fwd. Yes He's a lucky young man as we don't have a Leigh brown or a roughead type waiting in the wings but I saw the first signs of him turning the corner on Saturday IMO.
Agree about the rest though, one of my pet hates has been that players like Jackson and Edwards just wouldn't be given a rest, who knows a kid may have done a griffiths if given an opportunity, but there's one problem with that, we don't have any, Arnott is still building a tank who else is there? we should have had another 3-4 developing midfield kids in the wings but hopefully we'll address that this year by getting rid of more deadwood.
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Watching last weeks game, on Ben's first kick in he reached the middle of the G, commentators didn't pick it up, but wow, if he can do that what a huge advantage as the opposition will need to spread pretty wide to cover the length of kick and options it opens up. For me, I liked Ben's game and thought he did pretty well. Hope he gets a lot more this season
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Let's just hope he can string a few games togetherbandvreally get some confidence in both his body and ability. He will be a very handy player for us in the long term if we can keep him on the park. Fingers crossed :pray
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Watching last weeks game, on Ben's first kick in he reached the middle of the G, commentators didn't pick it up, but wow, if he can do that what a huge advantage as the opposition will need to spread pretty wide to cover the length of kick and options it opens up. For me, I liked Ben's game and thought he did pretty well. Hope he gets a lot more this season
Imagine if he was able to play on 10m from the kick in....makes it very hard to zone up when you are not sure if he is kicking it 15m or potentially 70m+ :o
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Mr Claw, you still havent answered my question as to why you think Griffiths was gifted a game and to whom you would have given the game to instead??
and here i was thinking i had answered it when we argued over his form at coburg .
they have to earn it is basically the mantra.
the 4 games leading up to this week. he got knocked out 1st q week 1, did nothing week 2. probably still affected from the head knock.
hurt his knee and only played a half week 3 and scraped into the best plaers week 4. hardly earnt a game id say.
others have been in the best players two or three weeks in a row at coburg and they dont get a game. this while hacks like nahas jackson king and edwards have all performed poorly along with vickery.
ben got a game because the structure was poo. there was no one else. so we played him and look what happened.we gave a kid a chance and he showed a bit.
this all leads us back to actually dropping underperformers. we dont. we persevere with them. griffiths is a good example of why we should not be gifting blokes games who are currently in the team. there are other options and you just dont know what you will get.
id give derickx a game and post in front of vickery who has played 7 games and been in our worst two players in all 7 games hes played. the only reason he missed playing was because he got injured so he didnt get dropped despite shocking performances. there was no going back to coburg for him and earning a spot nope hes a favorite.
Why are you whinging about this. We took a gamble and it paid off.
Facts are in any sporting clubs players get games when otehr are more worthy, for team make up and structure reasons, for experience reasons and many others.
Who cares, we gambled and it paid off. Griffiths has spent to long on the sidelines and playing Coburg which everyone would agree is rubbish development. Get your best players for the future into the AFL system. Post, Graham, McGuane and co have had endless opportunities.
Club made the right call.
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Watching last weeks game, on Ben's first kick in he reached the middle of the G, commentators didn't pick it up, but wow, if he can do that what a huge advantage as the opposition will need to spread pretty wide to cover the length of kick and options it opens up. For me, I liked Ben's game and thought he did pretty well. Hope he gets a lot more this season
Imagine if he was able to play on 10m from the kick in....makes it very hard to zone up when you are not sure if he is kicking it 15m or potentially 70m+ :o
Ben Griffiths kicked the ball so far it exploded the asteroid that was heading for earth in the Armageddon movie.
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Watching last weeks game, on Ben's first kick in he reached the middle of the G, commentators didn't pick it up, but wow, if he can do that what a huge advantage as the opposition will need to spread pretty wide to cover the length of kick and options it opens up. For me, I liked Ben's game and thought he did pretty well. Hope he gets a lot more this season
Imagine if he was able to play on 10m from the kick in....makes it very hard to zone up when you are not sure if he is kicking it 15m or potentially 70m+ :o
Ben Griffiths kicked the ball so far it exploded the asteroid that was heading for earth in the Armageddon movie.
Maybe that will free up Bruce Willis for another role??
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was bastinac for me followed by talls with every pick after. if we were to take a tall at 19 i had carlisle and black in front of griffiths. would really like to see if we cant get our hands on black.
i know its dragging up old crap but i still think we should have found a way to finish with 4 wins in 09. picks 3 18 and 19 would have been great.
this was my first post in reply to some one saying they prefered fyfe. all i did was mention who i prefered and the defenders of all things richmond have been yipping away since.
from the coaches reports for coburg. games played by griffiths.
24/3 northern blues inj 1st q took no further part.
31/3 casey scorpions - injured dnp
8/4 sandrigham - reasonable return from injury.
22/4 frankston - was beaten at fb but did some good things kicking a feature.
28/4 box hill - concussion did not play after 1/2 time.
5/5 werribee - poor first half hurt knee early third.
12/5 did not play injured.
20/5 good game named in best players but not bog.
28/5 played for richmond.
did he earn a game ? not by that he didnt.
there really are some who stick their heads up their arses and defend everything and anything.anyone who dares have a view that remotely sounds different to what the club says is pounced upon and ridiculed.
the above is griffiths form line accoding to the coburg coaches did he knock the door down and demand a game no way. but we played him and he played well im not complaining he got a game i advocated we play blokes like him in the place of those who cant get a kick.
there are others who have performed better than griffiths and we refuse to play them. instead we continue to GIFT games to consistent under performers. i say those under performers have cost us 3 or 4 games they are the reason we have had close losses.
while not in the best players some of the reports on derickx have been took 5 contested marks and his forward pressure was good these are things that vickery has not given us at least derickx wont wimp out of a contest. griffiths gave little at coburg but gave us something at richmond. we can do the same with derickx and stop rewarding vickery ghames based on a poo house season to date.
imo dericks will give more in the ruck and no less than vickery has up forward.just think griffiths people.
the only thing im dirty about griffiths has nothing to do with him. hes played one decent game in 10 his previous 9 were very poor. hype takes richmond players a long way it seems.but i will always be dirty that we could risk such a valuable pick he was high risk we are talking a top 20 pick here we should never be taking risks with such picks.
if the risk pays off well and good but there was safe options available that would have netted us a very good player.
finally not convinced about big ben in the air or as a defender we will see before i go putting any of our players on a pedestal they will have to earn it not just play one passable game which it seems is enough for most on here. seems some never learn a thing.
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None of our forward/rucks are 'earning' a game through form at Coburg, so anyone who plays this position will be 'gifted' a game. Your perpetual bitch cycle cannot be broken. Give it a rest.
And while he is not getting his hands on it enough around the ground, Vickery always contests well in the ruck.
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Graham has been extremely good for the reserves but there's a gun in front of him.
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was bastinac for me followed by talls with every pick after. if we were to take a tall at 19 i had carlisle and black in front of griffiths. would really like to see if we cant get our hands on black.
i know its dragging up old crap but i still think we should have found a way to finish with 4 wins in 09. picks 3 18 and 19 would have been great.
this was my first post in reply to some one saying they prefered fyfe. all i did was mention who i prefered and the defenders of all things richmond have been yipping away since.
from the coaches reports for coburg. games played by griffiths.
24/3 northern blues inj 1st q took no further part.
31/3 casey scorpions - injured dnp
8/4 sandrigham - reasonable return from injury.
22/4 frankston - was beaten at fb but did some good things kicking a feature.
28/4 box hill - concussion did not play after 1/2 time.
5/5 werribee - poor first half hurt knee early third.
12/5 did not play injured.
20/5 good game named in best players but not bog.
28/5 played for richmond.
did he earn a game ? not by that he didnt.
there really are some who stick their heads up their behinds and defend everything and anything.anyone who dares have a view that remotely sounds different to what the club says is pounced upon and ridiculed.
the above is griffiths form line accoding to the coburg coaches did he knock the door down and demand a game no way. but we played him and he played well im not complaining he got a game i advocated we play blokes like him in the place of those who cant get a kick.
there are others who have performed better than griffiths and we refuse to play them. instead we continue to GIFT games to consistent under performers. i say those under performers have cost us 3 or 4 games they are the reason we have had close losses.
while not in the best players some of the reports on derickx have been took 5 contested marks and his forward pressure was good these are things that vickery has not given us at least derickx wont wimp out of a contest. griffiths gave little at coburg but gave us something at richmond. we can do the same with derickx and stop rewarding vickery ghames based on a poo house season to date.
imo dericks will give more in the ruck and no less than vickery has up forward.just think griffiths people.
the only thing im dirty about griffiths has nothing to do with him. hes played one decent game in 10 his previous 9 were very poor. hype takes richmond players a long way it seems.but i will always be dirty that we could risk such a valuable pick he was high risk we are talking a top 20 pick here we should never be taking risks with such picks.
if the risk pays off well and good but there was safe options available that would have netted us a very good player.
finally not convinced about big ben in the air or as a defender we will see before i go putting any of our players on a pedestal they will have to earn it not just play one passable game which it seems is enough for most on here. seems some never learn a thing.
Once again you continue to twist the facts to suit your story. Fair go, your flogging this dead horse to death ::)
the only thing im dirty about griffiths has nothing to do with him. hes played one decent game in 10 his previous 9 were very poor.
He has only played 6 games to begin with (Not 10) and he has made the Best's twice in those 6! Round 5 and round 9. Can you not count or somthing??
24/3 northern blues inj 1st q took no further part.
31/3 casey scorpions - injured dnp
8/4 sandrigham - reasonable return from injury.
22/4 frankston - was beaten at fb but did some good things kicking a feature.
28/4 box hill - concussion did not play after 1/2 time.
5/5 werribee - poor first half hurt knee early third.
12/5 did not play injured.
20/5 good game named in best players but not bog.
28/5 played for richmond.
Above is your summery of the coaches report, once again you seem to have conveniently left a few things out, let me fill in the spaces for you...
22/4 frankston - was beaten at fb but did some good things kicking a feature.....Ben Griffiths
A very encouraging performance from Ben. Took some strong marks in the key defensive post and used the ball well to set up some strong offensive moves. Was named 2nd Best on ground
5/5 werribee - poor first half hurt knee early third....The team’s defensive set-ups weren’t great, so that didn’t allow the tall defenders to be used on the spread.
20/5 good game named in Bests but not BOG... Ben Griffiths
Returned from injury and had a good game as a key defender. Showed that his decision-making and kicking skills are elite. Is an important player in Richmond’s future plans. Was named 5th best on ground.
there are others who have performed better than griffiths and we refuse to play them.
Again you keep mentioning this but fail to name these Others??
while not in the best players some of the reports on derickx have been took 5 contested marks and his forward pressure was good these are things that vickery has not given us at least derickx wont wimp out of a contest
Again, compleatly contradicting you theory :lol So Griffiths get in the bests even though its not BOG and still doesn't deserve a game in your opinion but Derickx who has never been close to the bests and has actually been demoted from the VFL seniors to the development side deserves a game :lol :lol Are you an effing hypocrite or what :lol :lol
there really are some who stick their heads up their behinds and defend everything and anything.anyone who dares have a view that remotely sounds different to what the club says is pounced upon and ridiculed.
Mate the only person around here with there head up there behind is you! You either cant read or just love to make crap up to suit the fanciful story's you conn your brain into believing :wallywink
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claw u r an idiot
it has nothing to do with form, but the ability to know the game plan, understand the structures and play accordingly
with griffiths they were just waiting for his body to be right not his form
u have to remember coburg is not the tigers, they do not play the same way
you have no idea
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surely anyone offering just an opinion cant be an idiot..its just an opinion after all..something we all offer here in spades..LOL
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surely anyone offering just an opinion cant be an idiot..its just an opinion after all..something we all offer here in spades..LOL
Fair point. A lot of blokes on here thinking they are in the know and others shouldn't question them. Maybe they should have their own forum.
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None of our forward/rucks are 'earning' a game through form at Coburg, so anyone who plays this position will be 'gifted' a game. Your perpetual bitch cycle cannot be broken. Give it a rest.
And while he is not getting his hands on it enough around the ground, Vickery always contests well in the ruck.
ppppfffffttt hes a softie in the ruck.ive never seen a scairder player than him.
7 in a row absolute shockers and theres no one to replace him yet you all talk as if we have arrived as a force. not even gws or gc would tolerate such mediocrity. no let up from me bud he should not be getting a game. lets do a be griffiths and give another bloke a chance to show what he can do rather than play a girls blouse who cant get a touch.
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from the coaches reports for coburg. games played by griffiths.
24/3 northern blues inj 1st q took no further part.
31/3 casey scorpions - injured dnp
8/4 sandrigham - reasonable return from injury.
22/4 frankston - was beaten at fb but did some good things kicking a feature.
28/4 box hill - concussion did not play after 1/2 time.
5/5 werribee - poor first half hurt knee early third.
12/5 did not play injured.
20/5 good game named in best players but not bog.
28/5 played for richmond.
did he earn a game ? not by that he didnt.
there really are some who stick their heads up their behinds and defend everything and anything.anyone who dares have a view that remotely sounds different to what the club says is pounced upon and ridiculed.
the above is griffiths form line accoding to the coburg coaches did he knock the door down and demand a game no way.
Forget the brief 'reports' sprinkled for the global media masses and use your eyes.
Just curious but do you ever get down to Coburg and watch claw?
I'm assuming you don't but forgive me if I'm wrong.
I do and ben was excellent in a few of those games down back. A clear standout of the Burgers talent wise.
No surprises from me that he took it to the bigger stage and yes no doubt in my mind he deserved a game.
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lets do a be griffiths and give another bloke a chance to show what he can do rather than play a girls blouse who cant get a touch.
Who?? O'h thats right, you dont have the answer....again :lol :lol :lol And don't Say Derickx because that contradicts your argument that you need to be BOG multiple times to earn your spot.
Also I keep asking you the question abut these Other's who are supposedly getting regular BOG's for Coburg and are not being looked at for the senior side, do you care to answer that at some stage???
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The players put 40 to 50 hours in a week. 3 hours of that are public on gameday. Pretty sure the club knows who can do what and is doing the right thing and has the skills and wins contests and gets the game plan and can hit passes and lay tackles, etc. etc. etc. in the other 30 to 40 hours a week.
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While i somewhat agree with your logic Santa i do have to say that i prefer a youngster over BJ Miller any day and thats no disrespect to Brad he has been worth his weight in gold he brings the ball to ground well and tries to drag defenders from the corridor of the forward line... I had the same problem with shane tuck people bitching about why dimma wouldnt play him last year the fact was he wanted to get games into our core group for the long term the dividends are paying off the only reason Tuck came back last year was to to better the year befores win loss ratio and relieve media pressure down at tigerland. When Tuck retires we will have Conca coming in to fill his shoes I don't care if Griffiths takes a year or 2 to play consistant footy they are still in my opinion grooming him for CHF they are just teaching him the defensive side of his game like Conca and Ellis are doing for their later midfield roles ... He will be poo most likely a fair bit this year but by Geez he is going to be good if his body holds up and will be pivitol on the last day in September a few years down the track if all goes to plan well that's the way i think anyway mate
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claw u r an idiot
it has nothing to do with form, but the ability to know the game plan, understand the structures and play accordingly
with griffiths they were just waiting for his body to be right not his form
u have to remember coburg is not the tigers, they do not play the same way
you have no idea
Craw doesn't put much credence in such things. he comes from the terry wallace school of coaching
"all you need is the cattle and the rest will take care of itself, almost"
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thats it now i understand lol
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Sorry Username and Claw i was on BF and most posters over there don't understand Hardwicks reasoning for dropping Tuck which boggles me a little and i carried it over here sorry not trying to preach or be a smartbehind
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was bastinac for me followed by talls with every pick after. if we were to take a tall at 19 i had carlisle and black in front of griffiths. would really like to see if we cant get our hands on black.
i know its dragging up old crap but i still think we should have found a way to finish with 4 wins in 09. picks 3 18 and 19 would have been great.
this was my first post in reply to some one saying they prefered fyfe. all i did was mention who i prefered and the defenders of all things richmond have been yipping away since.
from the coaches reports for coburg. games played by griffiths.
24/3 northern blues inj 1st q took no further part.
31/3 casey scorpions - injured dnp
8/4 sandrigham - reasonable return from injury.
22/4 frankston - was beaten at fb but did some good things kicking a feature.
28/4 box hill - concussion did not play after 1/2 time.
5/5 werribee - poor first half hurt knee early third.
12/5 did not play injured.
20/5 good game named in best players but not bog.
28/5 played for richmond.
did he earn a game ? not by that he didnt.
there really are some who stick their heads up their behinds and defend everything and anything.anyone who dares have a view that remotely sounds different to what the club says is pounced upon and ridiculed.
the above is griffiths form line accoding to the coburg coaches did he knock the door down and demand a game no way. but we played him and he played well im not complaining he got a game i advocated we play blokes like him in the place of those who cant get a kick.
there are others who have performed better than griffiths and we refuse to play them. instead we continue to GIFT games to consistent under performers. i say those under performers have cost us 3 or 4 games they are the reason we have had close losses.
while not in the best players some of the reports on derickx have been took 5 contested marks and his forward pressure was good these are things that vickery has not given us at least derickx wont wimp out of a contest. griffiths gave little at coburg but gave us something at richmond. we can do the same with derickx and stop rewarding vickery ghames based on a poo house season to date.
imo dericks will give more in the ruck and no less than vickery has up forward.just think griffiths people.
the only thing im dirty about griffiths has nothing to do with him. hes played one decent game in 10 his previous 9 were very poor. hype takes richmond players a long way it seems.but i will always be dirty that we could risk such a valuable pick he was high risk we are talking a top 20 pick here we should never be taking risks with such picks.
if the risk pays off well and good but there was safe options available that would have netted us a very good player.
finally not convinced about big ben in the air or as a defender we will see before i go putting any of our players on a pedestal they will have to earn it not just play one passable game which it seems is enough for most on here. seems some never learn a thing.
Once again you continue to twist the facts to suit your story. Fair go, your flogging this dead horse to death ::)
the only thing im dirty about griffiths has nothing to do with him. hes played one decent game in 10 his previous 9 were very poor.
He has only played 6 games to begin with (Not 10) and he has made the Best's twice in those 6! Round 5 and round 9. Can you not count or somthing??
24/3 northern blues inj 1st q took no further part.
31/3 casey scorpions - injured dnp
8/4 sandrigham - reasonable return from injury.
22/4 frankston - was beaten at fb but did some good things kicking a feature.
28/4 box hill - concussion did not play after 1/2 time.
5/5 werribee - poor first half hurt knee early third.
12/5 did not play injured.
20/5 good game named in best players but not bog.
28/5 played for richmond.
Above is your summery of the coaches report, once again you seem to have conveniently left a few things out, let me fill in the spaces for you...
22/4 frankston - was beaten at fb but did some good things kicking a feature.....Ben Griffiths
A very encouraging performance from Ben. Took some strong marks in the key defensive post and used the ball well to set up some strong offensive moves. Was named 2nd Best on ground
5/5 werribee - poor first half hurt knee early third....The team’s defensive set-ups weren’t great, so that didn’t allow the tall defenders to be used on the spread.
20/5 good game named in Bests but not BOG... Ben Griffiths
Returned from injury and had a good game as a key defender. Showed that his decision-making and kicking skills are elite. Is an important player in Richmond’s future plans. Was named 5th best on ground.
there are others who have performed better than griffiths and we refuse to play them.
Again you keep mentioning this but fail to name these Others??
while not in the best players some of the reports on derickx have been took 5 contested marks and his forward pressure was good these are things that vickery has not given us at least derickx wont wimp out of a contest
Again, compleatly contradicting you theory :lol So Griffiths get in the bests even though its not BOG and still doesn't deserve a game in your opinion but Derickx who has never been close to the bests and has actually been demoted from the VFL seniors to the development side deserves a game :lol :lol Are you an effing hypocrite or what :lol :lol
there really are some who stick their heads up their behinds and defend everything and anything.anyone who dares have a view that remotely sounds different to what the club says is pounced upon and ridiculed.
Mate the only person around here with there head up there behind is you! You either cant read or just love to make crap up to suit the fanciful story's you conn your brain into believing :wallywink
lol havent twisted a thing. the facts are the facts hes had two decent games at coburg ALL YR, HOW DOES THAT MEET THE CLUBS MANTRA OF EARNING A GAME.
im not contradicting myself at all ive said going by the mantra griffiths has not earnt a game. my personal preference is to play him and others in a similar boat instead of hacks like vickery who cant get a kick in a footy factory atm. but yeah you just go ahead and put what ever spin on what i say like.
its black or white hes missed thru injury or been hurt in a game how many times this yr, how many times in how many games did he scrape into the best players. no bog at all. didnt hardwick very puplicly state that the kids will have to earn a game if you think two decent games ALL YR is banging the door down good onya others are not that deluded.
hes now played 10 games. 5 in 2010, 4 in 2011 and 1 this yr. sheesh you are an idiot.
hes played one good game in those 10 and you would think hes the best player going around the way you people talk him up. done nothing to date other than show potential. but he has potential and should get a game in front of underperformers just like others should. geez i hope thats clear enough for you this time. i havent said anything different.
in the frankston game how did his opponent go he was ordinary defensively. we got smashed by the bottom team that day no little thanks to poor performances by nearly all our players.
are you really so stupid that you cant comprehend a post or are you just trying to move the posts again as you always do.
Two that have been in the bests are webberley and graham. we refuse to play em instead persevere with vickery getting 3 touches a game or watch nahas and edwards butcher the ball.sheesh webberley got it 32 times and laid 7 tackles and could not get in the bests in one game what a joke. arnot like griffiths has been named in the bests why didnt we give him a game when jackson was deplorable only thing thats changed there is jacksons gone from deplorable to just plain ordinary a marked improvement lol.
what else is there oh me contradicting myself. i will say it one more time real slow just for you. the club mantra is they have to earn a game thru good consistent performance but griffiths has not done this. me im all for giving him a game and others like him instead of rewarding consistent pee poor performances like vickery has dished up. you your obviously okay with them being inconsistent not sticking to what they say and rewarding abject mediocrity that occurs for 7 weeks in a row.
as i said there are some who stick their head up their arses and defend every single thing the club does regardless. not pointing a finger but if the shoe fits.
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lol havent twisted a thing. the facts are the facts hes had two decent games at coburg ALL YR, HOW DOES THAT MEET THE CLUBS MANTRA OF EARNING A GAME.
He earned a game.
Facts?
I'll ask again. Do you watch these games or just go by what you read on the interwebz?
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lol havent twisted a thing. the facts are the facts hes had two decent games at coburg ALL YR, HOW DOES THAT MEET THE CLUBS MANTRA OF EARNING A GAME.
im not contradicting myself at all ive said going by the mantra griffiths has not earnt a game. my personal preference is to play him and others in a similar boat instead of hacks like vickery who cant get a kick in a footy factory atm. but yeah you just go ahead and put what ever spin on what i say like.
its black or white hes missed thru injury or been hurt in a game how many times this yr, how many times in how many games did he scrape into the best players. no bog at all. didnt hardwick very puplicly state that the kids will have to earn a game if you think two decent games ALL YR is banging the door down good onya others are not that deluded.
hes now played 10 games. 5 in 2010, 4 in 2011 and 1 this yr. sheesh you are an idiot.
hes played one good game in those 10 and you would think hes the best player going around the way you people talk him up. done nothing to date other than show potential. but he has potential and should get a game in front of underperformers just like others should. geez i hope thats clear enough for you this time. i havent said anything different.
in the frankston game how did his opponent go he was ordinary defensively. we got smashed by the bottom team that day no little thanks to poor performances by nearly all our players.
are you really so stupid that you cant comprehend a post or are you just trying to move the posts again as you always do.
Two that have been in the bests are webberley and graham. we refuse to play em instead persevere with vickery getting 3 touches a game or watch nahas and edwards butcher the ball.sheesh webberley got it 32 times and laid 7 tackles and could not get in the bests in one game what a joke. arnot like griffiths has been named in the bests why didnt we give him a game when jackson was deplorable only thing thats changed there is jacksons gone from deplorable to just plain ordinary a marked improvement lol.
what else is there oh me contradicting myself. i will say it one more time real slow just for you. the club mantra is they have to earn a game thru good consistent performance but griffiths has not done this. me im all for giving him a game and others like him instead of rewarding consistent pee poor performances like vickery has dished up. you your obviously okay with them being inconsistent not sticking to what they say and rewarding abject mediocrity that occurs for 7 weeks in a row.
as i said there are some who stick their head up their behinds and defend every single thing the club does regardless. not pointing a finger but if the shoe fits.
lol havent twisted a thing. the facts are the facts hes had two decent games at coburg ALL YR, HOW DOES THAT MEET THE CLUBS MANTRA OF EARNING A GAME.
No mate, The facts are THE CLUB CLEARLY THOUGHT HE DID ENOUGH IN THOSE GAMES TO BE SELECTED AS A WORTHY REPLACEMENT FOR GRIMES! and they haven't been proven wrong to date!
my personal preference is to play him and others in a similar boat instead of hacks like vickery who cant get a kick in a footy factory atm. but yeah you just go ahead and put what ever spin on what i say like.
Then why BANG ON that he was gifted a game if that WAS YOUR PREFERENCE ALL ALONG :huh :huh
its black or white hes missed thru injury or been hurt in a game how many times this yr, how many times in how many games did he scrape into the best players. no bog at all. didnt hardwick very puplicly state that the kids will have to earn a game if you think two decent games ALL YR is banging the door down good onya others are not that deluded.
So in your opinion you have to not only be in the BEST'S but be BOG in a string of games to warrant selection in the senior side?
hes now played 10 games. 5 in 2010, 4 in 2011 and 1 this yr. sheesh you are an idiot.
hes played one good game in those 10 and you would think hes the best player going around the way you people talk him up. done nothing to date other than show potential. but he has potential and should get a game in front of underperformers just like others should. geez i hope thats clear enough for you this time. i havent said anything different.
So one minute you have to be BOG in a string of games to warrant selection but the next minute if you show potential you should be a walk up start?? Nah, you don't contradict yourself at all :lol :lol
in the frankston game how did his opponent go he was ordinary defensively. we got smashed by the bottom team that day no little thanks to poor performances by nearly all our players.
Then why was Griffiths named second best on the day? He must have been doing something right :huh :huh
Two that have been in the bests are webberley and graham. we refuse to play em instead persevere with vickery getting 3 touches a game or watch nahas and edwards butcher the ball.sheesh webberley got it 32 times and laid 7 tackles and could not get in the bests in one game what a joke. arnot like griffiths has been named in the bests why didnt we give him a game when jackson was deplorable only thing thats changed there is jacksons gone from deplorable to just plain ordinary a marked improvement lol.
Both Webberly and Graham have allready shown there not up to AFL standard but hey why not throw them both back into the fire so we can see than NOTHING HAS CHANGED for either player. I cant believe we didnt bring in Weberley to replace Grimes :huh What were we thinking :banghead
As for Arnot, the one thing the boy lacks is a tank, at least Jackson can run the game out! But hey, lets throw the lad into the fire as well so you have another reason to take pot shots at Francis Jackson for missing another pick :lol
what else is there oh me contradicting myself. i will say it one more time real slow just for you. the club mantra is they have to earn a game thru good consistent performance but griffiths has not done this. me im all for giving him a game and others like him instead of rewarding consistent pee poor performances like vickery has dished up. you your obviously okay with them being inconsistent not sticking to what they say and rewarding abject mediocrity that occurs for 7 weeks in a row.
This ones a Ripper :lol After all the contradicting you have done you then contradict your self again but this time REAL SLOW for everyone else to see once again :lol :lol :lol :lol
as i said there are some who stick their head up their behinds and defend every single thing the club does regardless. not pointing a finger but if the shoe fits.
:lol Where has anyone in this thread defended what the club has done regardless?? you cant even make your own mind up weather a player shoud be givin a game because he shows potential of because he needs to be BOG in a string of games :lol :lol Ever though that because your head might be stuck up your own behind :lol :lol
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Sheesh tiger from tas, you have more patience than I !!!
Well done
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The risk was -
Black small risk decent potential.
Carilse similar.
Grigg. Big risk. (Injury) massive upside.
Griff is bigger faster? And kicks like a boss.
Due to melbourne stockpile so many high draft picks similar to now. I felt we needed a edge so they wouldnt go. Past us
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Sorry Username and Claw i was on BF and most posters over there don't understand Hardwicks reasoning for dropping Tuck which boggles me a little and i carried it over here sorry not trying to preach or be a smartbehind
we all know why he was dropped and it was well worth it, dont u agree
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Another top game from Griff :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Another top game from Griff :clapping :clapping :clapping
Was very good I thought.
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Some great releasing handballs under pressure
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Didn't get allot of it but didsome good things when he had it! looks to be gaining confidence wich can only be a good thing :thumbsup
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Didn't get allot of it but didsome good things when he had it! looks to be gaining confidence wich can only be a good thing :thumbsup
Had the second highest 1%'s behind Rancey :gotigers
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Had important touches, has pace and showed poise and vision - clearly shows why they have big raps. Must continue to play, we need his size down back.
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He's athletic so he can keep up with any of the opposition tall forwards on the lead and his height enables him to get his hand in to spoil either the lead or in a wrestling situation. The bonus is playing in defence on the best forwards will also educate further about forward line play so he could eventually be switched forward mid-game if need be for tactical reasons or say when Grimes comes back and we don't need 3 tall defenders against sides with small forward lines.
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Good on ya Griffo.
Shut up all you muppets that whinge about his injuries and selections you are pigs and we are winners! :gotigers :gotigers
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we know he has what it takes
all the numbnuts have no idea
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I was amazed at his kicking accuraccy he is going to be a hard match up for opposition sides if he continues to stick around at senior level can play anywhere down the spine imo
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Bloke is 2m tall and can kick half the ground. Bit.of weapon.
With griff. Vickery. Imaric. We are no longer a small side. More so if we get grimes back.
Astbury i hope knocks at the door. If coburg ever play again
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was great to see him get through the game again. Can roost the ball but they were ready for it when he did & Kosy was there to meet the ball. That type of football turns the ball over & cant be a tactic unless you have players contesting & players at the back. Played a important role none the less.
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yeah, the saints were definately ready for that long kickout. They didn't persist with it, which was good to see
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Solid game Griff :clapping
A mate reckons we haven't EVER lost a game when Griff has played. I thought we may have lost 1 or 2 in previous years....
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Gee he has really taken the chance given to him, with Grimes coming back Newy and Batch could drift up the ground more easily...even Rance!!!!!
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Solid game Griff :clapping
A mate reckons we haven't EVER lost a game when Griff has played. I thought we may have lost 1 or 2 in previous years....
Has played 10 games in 3 seasons and we have won every game. Woops, reread my source and should read won 6, lost 4. :-[
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Thanks Smokester :thumbsup
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Well done Ben Griffiths (old Whitefriars Boy) , - Got the body right and got to showthat he has the ability to match it with the best ( Hawthorn and StKilda hav aurably the best key forwards)
Cant wait to see Grimes in there as well!!
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I can see Whitefriars must be strong in English and grammar! Not sure where Grimes will play now Griff has made CHB his own.
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its all about getting continous games into him now.
lets see what happens when Grimes comes back.
nice little ace to have up our sleeves i reckon.
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Griff grimes rance must be same back 6.
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Grimes and Rance can play on smaller opponents too. Griff, Grimes and Rance is a perfect mix of talls. :thumbsup
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thats the makings of a premiership backline.
reads a truck load better than thursfield mcguane and moore
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Al you dont think moore(if fit and going) is good enough to slot into our backline?
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this probably doesnt exactly answer your question, but I dont think he is the future of our backline.
fully fit and at his best I wouldnt be playing him ahead of anyone in our current backline (including grimes in this) as long as their form holds, but i suspect his best footy is way past him anyway.
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I see us playing a back 6 of.
Rance. Grimes. Newman.
Batchelor. Griffiths. Dea.
We play a back 7 and Morris would the next.
Houli next if line winger/defender.
Moore wont find it easy
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Moore couldn't crack that backline, I prefer batchelor as that medium who links out, is smarter nd has much better disposal, I rate rance and grimes ahead, there's no way I'd drop Morris, u couldn't drop the captain and I like griffiths in the backline. We still rotate houli, Ellis, Dea through there too, nah reckon he'd struggle fully fit
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gunna acknowledge the griffiths move back. we needed to find a big body and i suppose we found one.
would still like to see griffiths at ff but vhey you cant have everything you want.
would still be going after a real big kpd but with griffiths back there it isnt so pressing a need.we will need depth especially if mcguane moore and post are gone.
really hope one of darrou or wright can make a fist of it but they are rookies and not many do make it. the other one is astbury but im adamant hes a forward and in the short term our best hance at chf.
just on chris newman hes 30 and i reckon hes battling in a lot of games, imo wont be around for any premiership success would say one more season two at best.
for me our best back 6 for the rest of the yr would be
b/ grimes - rance - morris
hb/ dea - griffiths - batchelor.
with newman the #7 if we go that way.
really good size and structure and a lot of accountability and toughness.
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I reckon thats it Claw & i think thats what Dimma reckons also
Get Bachar on a wing with Newy 7th defender
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Moore couldn't crack that backline, I prefer batchelor as that medium who links out, is smarter nd has much better disposal, I rate rance and grimes ahead, there's no way I'd drop Morris, u couldn't drop the captain and I like griffiths in the backline. We still rotate houli, Ellis, Dea through there too, nah reckon he'd struggle fully fit
Sure id love to see it but i reckon moore is going to struggle big time....good luck with his return..but there is a quality queue in front of him at the mo
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Post is young. I doubt he will be delisted.
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Post is young. I doubt he will be delisted.
He could request a trade though
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Post is young. I doubt he will be delisted.
He could request a trade though
His family love the Dogs and they (WB) need a swingman with height. Could be an opportunity to do a good deal for us.
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Anyone reckon that Griff could play a Richo style Wingman type role?
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Anyone reckon that Griff could play a Richo style Wingman type role?
Would have to have a massive pre season, build his tank up and then maybe.
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moore lmao, wont play again and if he does will not make the cut, he is another mguane type dont need him when we have rance grimes griff and other younger talls we are developimg
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Any fool can see Griffiths is a lot more than just a big kick of the ball.
We're all aware of his natural gifts but he also has a very smart footy brain.
Extremely instinctive under pressure and takes the first option. Knows just when to go.
We've got a ripper here.
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Pity he seems to be made of glass because he can play
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Agree with Magic. His disposal under pressure was very good
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There are only two things that will stop Griffiths from becoming a richmond great
1. Injuries
2. NFL scouts
This kid has it all. great hands, ground skills, body positioning, great pace and is 200cm and has a 75m drop punt in his ar-senal.
Can imagine him going forward in a big final ( if required ) and turning the game
Massive cieling this kid, a much more dangerous version of the great West coast premiership player, Adam Hunter, star in the making
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Just wondering claw if you still think Ben's undeserving of a game? ;)
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watched him twice
seems a much more natural and composed player compared to post
skills are good & under pressure, gets to the right spots, doesn't drop his head :thumbsup
thanks,
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There are only two things that will stop Griffiths from becoming a richmond great
1. Injuries
2. NFL scouts
This kid has it all. great hands, ground skills, body positioning, great pace and is 200cm and has a 75m drop punt in his ar-senal.
Can imagine him going forward in a big final ( if required ) and turning the game
Massive cieling this kid, a much more dangerous version of the great West coast premiership player, Adam Hunter, star in the making
and i remember hunters first few games, he was shyte and even dermie said hunter would never make it lol
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Radio said he went for a kick and looked to pull up sore? Any news of an injury? This was just before they shifted him forward
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I believe he is fine. Took him off as we were too top heavy in the conditions. :thumbsup
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Just wondering claw if you still think Ben's undeserving of a game? ;)
are you asking did he earn a game the answer is no. yet we gave him one and he went okay. ive asked we do similar with others. ie arnot. would like to see post derickx and elton get a game.
on griffiths i still think hes a ff. and i still think he has done little to warrant all the wraps on him. let him prove himself but give him every opportunity to do so.
have to laugh at all the angst at a maric. whats the point of giving him just one full game and then out again. does post ring a bell. give him 3 or 4 in a row and let him find his feet.
o hanlon should not get dropped he showed enough give him a block of games as well regardless of how well he goes. dont think maric is out of his depth just needs to find his feet.
hes not the way forward but i can tell ya as far as i can see big graham has actually earnt a game. surely we have to reward good consistent performances regardless of who it is. especially if theres plenty in the ones not performing.
imo the only player who ive been critical of who should keep his spot atm is edwards hes actually made good contributions for 4 weeks in a row. keep him forward and have him kick his two or three each week hes more value there atm than in the midfield. to be blunt imo hes not the answer ive seen it all before but i will acknowledge decent games from him
just my opinion but we cant play all of nahas, king, edwards, maric, houli, theres room for just two. ive always thought this. not enough skill size or quality for a group of smalls. none play well when in the middle but at least maric has the skills and vision to play thru there. i shudder to think what will happen if we add king to the 4 who played today. to top it all off i read on here posters bemoaning white cant get a game he just exacerbates the problem.
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Who does deserve a game on the back of 2012 coburg form claw? ::)
Im afraid the miss graham lovers are delusional.
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Just wondering claw if you still think Ben's undeserving of a game? ;)
are you asking did he earn a game the answer is no. yet we gave him one and he went okay. ive asked we do similar with others. ie arnot. would like to see post derickx and elton get a game.
on griffiths i still think hes a ff. and i still think he has done little to warrant all the wraps on him. let him prove himself but give him every opportunity to do so.
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Ever think that maybe, just maybe, what players show on the training track, you know the other 45 hours they're at the club may contribute in any way to how they're viewed by the MC. It's a novel thought but maybe if you're towelling guys up on the training track the coach may just believe you can play footy.
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Who does deserve a game on the back of 2012 coburg form claw? ::)
Im afraid the miss graham lovers are delusional.
not a lover of him in fact think he should be delisted. but surely as a club we have to show those at coburg they will be rewarded with a game if they perform. as far as i can see big angus has been among our best for weeks now just reward him he cant do any worse than vickery who really does need a rocket put up him.
9 games for 9 poor games surely we have to do something about that. vickery thinks hes immune from scrutiny he thinks he can just walk into the team he knows he will get a game next week no matter what he does and it shows in the way he plays.
atm id take big angus every day of the week in those circumstances.
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Just wondering claw if you still think Ben's undeserving of a game? ;)
are you asking did he earn a game the answer is no. yet we gave him one and he went okay. ive asked we do similar with others. ie arnot. would like to see post derickx and elton get a game.
on griffiths i still think hes a ff. and i still think he has done little to warrant all the wraps on him. let him prove himself but give him every opportunity to do so.
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Ever think that maybe, just maybe, what players show on the training track, you know the other 45 hours they're at the club may contribute in any way to how they're viewed by the MC. It's a novel thought but maybe if you're towelling guys up on the training track the coach may just believe you can play footy.
lol ive heard every kind of excuse under the sun now. i can name a few who train the house down but dont get a game.
so in your infinate wisdom at what point does performance take over from training. are you telling me all those at coburg dont train hard sheesh we are pathetic in our defense of under performing players.
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Just wondering claw if you still think Ben's undeserving of a game? ;)
are you asking did he earn a game the answer is no. yet we gave him one and he went okay. ive asked we do similar with others. ie arnot. would like to see post derickx and elton get a game.
on griffiths i still think hes a ff. and i still think he has done little to warrant all the wraps on him. let him prove himself but give him every opportunity to do so.
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Ever think that maybe, just maybe, what players show on the training track, you know the other 45 hours they're at the club may contribute in any way to how they're viewed by the MC. It's a novel thought but maybe if you're towelling guys up on the training track the coach may just believe you can play footy.
lol ive heard every kind of excuse under the sun now. i can name a few who train the house down but dont get a game.
so in your infinate wisdom at what point does performance take over from training. are you telling me all those at coburg dont train hard sheesh we are pathetic in our defense of under performing players.
So now Griffiths is underperforming. What are you on about ? It's clear to anyone that has attended any training at all that Griff and Dea were being groomed for first 22 roles due to their athletic and footy attributes. But you talk endlessly about Coburg form and use that as the be all and end all of judging form. Of games you haven't even seen.
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Just wondering claw if you still think Ben's undeserving of a game? ;)
are you asking did he earn a game the answer is no. yet we gave him one and he went okay. ive asked we do similar with others. ie arnot. would like to see post derickx and elton get a game.
on griffiths i still think hes a ff. and i still think he has done little to warrant all the wraps on him. let him prove himself but give him every opportunity to do so.
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Ever think that maybe, just maybe, what players show on the training track, you know the other 45 hours they're at the club may contribute in any way to how they're viewed by the MC. It's a novel thought but maybe if you're towelling guys up on the training track the coach may just believe you can play footy.
lol ive heard every kind of excuse under the sun now. i can name a few who train the house down but dont get a game.
so in your infinate wisdom at what point does performance take over from training. are you telling me all those at coburg dont train hard sheesh we are pathetic in our defense of under performing players.
So now Griffiths is underperforming. What are you on about ? It's clear to anyone that has attended any training at all that Griff and Dea were being groomed for first 22 roles due to their athletic and footy attributes. But you talk endlessly about Coburg form and use that as the be all and end all of judging form. Of games you haven't even seen.
do i and here i was thinking i advocated we should give blokes like griffiths arnott post derickx a game regardless of coburg form. oh well back to the drawing board
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ive also said i think it would be astute if they reward some of those who have performed at coburg especially when we have similar players in the team who have done nothing for weeks on end.
what do i cop the most ridiculous comment about players who train well. so as long as they train well they dont have to play well is that it.
nice try bud but your looking sillier every minute.
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What richmond listed players are
A) not have injury
B) not already in senior team
C) got good coburg form
Looking forward to the answer
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Just wondering claw if you still think Ben's undeserving of a game? ;)
are you asking did he earn a game the answer is no. yet we gave him one and he went okay. ive asked we do similar with others. ie arnot. would like to see post derickx and elton get a game.
on griffiths i still think hes a ff. and i still think he has done little to warrant all the wraps on him. let him prove himself but give him every opportunity to do so.
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Ever think that maybe, just maybe, what players show on the training track, you know the other 45 hours they're at the club may contribute in any way to how they're viewed by the MC. It's a novel thought but maybe if you're towelling guys up on the training track the coach may just believe you can play footy.
lol ive heard every kind of excuse under the sun now. i can name a few who train the house down but dont get a game.
so in your infinate wisdom at what point does performance take over from training. are you telling me all those at coburg dont train hard sheesh we are pathetic in our defense of under performing players.
So now Griffiths is underperforming. What are you on about ? It's clear to anyone that has attended any training at all that Griff and Dea were being groomed for first 22 roles due to their athletic and footy attributes. But you talk endlessly about Coburg form and use that as the be all and end all of judging form. Of games you haven't even seen.
do i and here i was thinking i advocated we should give blokes like griffiths arnott post derickx a game regardless of coburg form. oh well back to the drawing board
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ive also said i think it would be astute if they reward some of those who have performed at coburg especially when we have similar players in the team who have done nothing for weeks on end.
what do i cop the most ridiculous comment about players who train well. so as long as they train well they dont have to play well is that it.
nice try bud but your looking sillier every minute.
OK I'm silly. I have no stuffing idea what you're talking about.
This is the Ben Griffiths thread. You talk about gifted games. Something, given what I have seen and heard I disagree with. You raise no counter points, but I'm silly. Ohh and by the way it's not about training well per se, but what they show and how. The structures, the individual match ups and then seeing if they replicate that in isolation at Coburg, Knowing that at AFL level you have better quality teammates to rely on and a more cohesive plan.
Ohh I forgot. Your opinion is all that counts.
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Agree with HK. Some of the blokes at Coburg are stiff but as a tall defender you don't need to get BOGs in the magoos to earn a game with Richmond. The MC just need to be confident that you can do a job. They have that confidence in Griffo and Dea. I personally think they've both been handy down back.
If you have a midfielder playing average footy in the twos and he gets a game then that's different.
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Whos in the 2nd boat?
White. Whos had 84 chances.
I cannot think of anyone outside aarnot whod id like given a go.
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Griff was the best option to replace an injured player. Thats not being gifted a game.
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Griff was the best option to replace an injured player. Thats not being gifted a game.
No you're wrong. claw said so.
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Need Grimes back
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He is a forward! That is all!
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listen, Im prepared to accept the conditions didnt exactly suit TALLS...Griff certainly didnt show his best hand....wouldnt go to town on him on that performance, Ivan was ordinary also...time to recharge and go again next week, he's in the team until grimesys abck at least and then some
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Griff was the best option to replace an injured player. Thats not being gifted a game.
no he was the only option.
all im saying is and everyone knows it. is griffiths did not earn a game thru good performances at coburg. this after the club had loudly said no young players would be gifted games unless they performed. if need hadnt arisen he would probably still be languishing at coburg.
griff got a game and he hadnt done much you can argue all you like over that but thems the facts.
if we can give big ben a game give others a go as well especially when we get insipid performances week in week out from players. thats all ive said arnot was one i wanted them to give a game to. ohanlin has hardly torn it up for weeks on end yet look what happens when they surround him with some decent players and give him a game he performs. elton post astbury dericks just play em when fit like griffiths they will give a bit.
i have repeatedly said i dont have a problem with them gifting griffiths a game just that i wish they would do the same with others. but that goes against what people think on here they prefer to see players like vickery stink it up week after week and make the others earn a game at coburg. has anyone seen coburg play bloody hell cotchin would struggle to dominate week after week they are terrible.
fine people dont think he was gifted a game but thats all we arguing here its not worth getting your knickers in a knot ladies. you can keep the attitude of they dont get things wrong at richmond.
just to finish ive also said and asked shouldnt they be giving those who have played well a game as well webberley is one who comes to mind how many times has graham been in the best players the last 6 weeks. matt white is another what do all of the players think when they see these blokes never being given a chance.
but why do i bother it seems you lot dont want contemplate the novel idea that just perhaps they have got some things wrong.
im sick to death of hearing the excuse that we dont have options well we bloody do we just choose to persevere with hacks and you lot defend em to the hilt.
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Agree with HK. Some of the blokes at Coburg are stiff but as a tall defender you don't need to get BOGs in the magoos to earn a game with Richmond. The MC just need to be confident that you can do a job. They have that confidence in Griffo and Dea. I personally think they've both been handy down back.
If you have a midfielder playing average footy in the twos and he gets a game then that's different.
Looking more and more like a player each week. Clean hands yesterday while the others played with soap. Woahhhhh :shh
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Griff was the best option to replace an injured player. Thats not being gifted a game.
no he was the only option.
....blah blah blah....
im sick to death of hearing the excuse that we dont have options well we bloody do we just choose to persevere with hacks and you lot defend em to the hilt.
:huh
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Agree with HK. Some of the blokes at Coburg are stiff but as a tall defender you don't need to get BOGs in the magoos to earn a game with Richmond. The MC just need to be confident that you can do a job. They have that confidence in Griffo and Dea. I personally think they've both been handy down back.
If you have a midfielder playing average footy in the twos and he gets a game then that's different.
Looking more and more like a player each week. Clean hands yesterday while the others played with soap. Woahhhhh :shh
I think it was the second quarter, weaved really well through some traffic across the back of the square. I can't remember the disposal though :laugh:
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griff got a game and he hadnt done much you can argue all you like over that but thems the facts.
if we can give big ben a game give others a go as well especially when we get insipid performances week in week out from players. thats all ive said arnot was one i wanted them to give a game to. ohanlin has hardly torn it up for weeks on end yet look what happens when they surround him with some decent players and give him a game he performs. elton post astbury dericks just play em when fit like griffiths they will give a bit.
i have repeatedly said i dont have a problem with them gifting griffiths a game just that i wish they would do the same with others. but that goes against what people think on here they prefer to see players like vickery stink it up week after week and make the others earn a game at coburg. has anyone seen coburg play bloody hell cotchin would struggle to dominate week after week they are terrible.
fine people dont think he was gifted a game but thats all we arguing here its not worth getting your knickers in a knot ladies. you can keep the attitude of they dont get things wrong at richmond.
just to finish ive also said and asked shouldnt they be giving those who have played well a game as well webberley is one who comes to mind how many times has graham been in the best players the last 6 weeks. matt white is another what do all of the players think when they see these blokes never being given a chance.
but why do i bother it seems you lot dont want contemplate the novel idea that just perhaps they have got some things wrong.
im sick to death of hearing the excuse that we dont have options well we bloody do we just choose to persevere with hacks and you lot defend em to the hilt.
You complain about Griffiths being gifted a game because we had no choice, but then want other people to be gifted. Difference is we had an injury therefore no choice. And when griffiths has played his been ok, maybe when Derickx elton or post do something they will get a chance, not likely due to injury becuase we have Miller.
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claw buy yourself a clue and read the article in the link.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/its-a-game-within-a-game-20120608-201sv.html#ixzz1xLV0sEX0
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On right now.
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l'm happy that Griffiths body is holding up to AFL at present & he is giving some value to the club by being out there playing football. As l said before l dont like injured players hanging around the club giving nothing back & then being delisted several years down the track. This pushes us backwards. Why he was not pushed into CHF against Adelaide stumps me. Lets hope he continues to get games into him & a injury free full pre-season.
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Good that he's finally getting some games into him and not having any interruptions.
He did a good job on Tippet.
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Needs to bomb it 70 metres from the kick in more often.
He should be practicing it at training over and over.
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Needs to bomb it 70 metres from the kick in more often.
He should be practicing it at training over and over.
He should just line up the big sticks on the kick out I reckon, make our life easy haha! :cheers
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He needs to break away (has good pace) and deliver it past defensive zones.
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Watched him during the warm up a few weeks back and he kicks them to the square off a step
Reckon he could kick 80m if he wanted to
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Great another injury :-\. Let's hope it isn't a bad one :pray. Dimma doesn't think it's too bad so let's hope he is right.
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His been travelling pretty well too. Like alot of his handball work as well lately. Developing really well. Hopefully the injury aint to bad.
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Using Griffs' ability to bang it almost to the centre circles from the full-back kick-in is a handy weapon provided we use it sparingly so opposition sides aren't prepared for it. Worked a treat again today.
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He said on twitter its all good. The club were just being cautious which is good.
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Love the fella will be a weapon when he truly clicks
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Using Griffs' ability to bang it almost to the centre circles from the full-back kick-in is a handy weapon provided we use it sparingly so opposition sides aren't prepared for it. Worked a treat again today.
Pity Edwards didn't run another ten metres and break the record of Dusty's goal against Hawthorn.
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Falling in love with this bloke :cheers
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From Griffs' twitter last night...
Ben Griffiths @bgriffo24 - "yeah all good they were just being cautious! "
Let's hope that means he's okay :pray.
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His set play bomb to Maric yesterday was a classic. He is combining his short and long game well and I have to say that, although I would love to have hime at CHF, he could become a game changing CHB.
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Love the fella will be a weapon when he truly clicks
Absolutely.
The continuity of games this year will be doing him wonders.
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I would love to see Griff at CHF.
Imagine running up the ground and kicking goals from 60 out :bow
Although he is that missing tall in defense right now.. But he is a natural forward and I think he should play there
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I would love to see Griff at CHF.
Imagine running up the grand and kicking goals from 60 out :bow
Although he is that missing tall in defense right now.. But he is a natural forward and I think he should play there
Agree, wasted down back IMO!
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From Griffs' twitter last night...
Ben Griffiths @bgriffo24 - "yeah all good they were just being cautious! "
Let's hope that means he's okay :pray.
That's good news can't afford to lose the big fella.
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I would love to see Griff at CHF.
Imagine running up the grand and kicking goals from 60 out :bow
Although he is that missing tall in defense right now.. But he is a natural forward and I think he should play there
Agree, wasted down back IMO!
while different to my own opinion, i can understand people's view that he may be better utilised up forward, but to say he is wasted down back is mind boggling, particularly from someone constantly moaning about needing a tall backman to counter the enemy monster forwards.
His set play bomb to Maric yesterday was a classic. He is combining his short and long game well and I have to say that, although I would love to have hime at CHF, he could become a game changing CHB.
This is how i see it. The idea of a tall option from the kickout that can then bomb the ball into our forward line or hit up a short target with equal aplomb gives me a fat
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I would love to see Griff at CHF.
Imagine running up the grand and kicking goals from 60 out :bow
Although he is that missing tall in defense right now.. But he is a natural forward and I think he should play there
Agree, wasted down back IMO!
while different to my own opinion, i can understand people's view that he may be better utilised up forward, but to say he is wasted down back is mind boggling, particularly from someone constantly moaning about needing a tall backman to counter the enemy monster forwards.
His set play bomb to Maric yesterday was a classic. He is combining his short and long game well and I have to say that, although I would love to have hime at CHF, he could become a game changing CHB.
This is how i see it. The idea of a tall option from the kickout that can then bomb the ball into our forward line or hit up a short target with equal aplomb gives me a fat
Yeah I don't think he wasted but I think he would be a lot more beneficial to the team up forward. I do also love his kickouts though ! :bow
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Oh ffs, ok not wasted, but IMO, he would be better used as a forward.....ok, thats wat I meant.
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Oh ffs, ok not wasted, but IMO, he would be better used as a forward.....ok, thats wat I meant.
Is that a sorry?.....hmmmmm
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we cannot move griffiths out of defense atm.
we need to find someone capable of performing his role before hand.
would really like to see moore join him and rance down back along with dea batchelor and morris. kelvin is only 28 and if he can get back to his best it would be a real bonus.
hopefully astbury can run himself into some form at coburg and come into the team as a forward. if not maybe a straight swap astbury chb griffiths to chf but we cant do either until astbury is ready.
the only other real option we have is post and he really does seem to be on the outer.
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Glad. not injured. Played well. Couldn't afford to lose him. Need him more in the backline than in forward line. Agree the bomb he did against Melbourne was great pitty didn't get a goal out of it just got yet another point
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Missed two games now for a "tight calf". It sounded like Matt Hornsby expected him back earlier in the week. On Talking Tigers, they said, more or less, that he'd be back this week. Wonder what is really up with him?
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While in only a salesman i can tellya that calf injuries really linger.....1 week off would be ridiculous. Id expect him to be cherry ripe next round :shh
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It could be a corked calf which can be a bugger to get rid of.
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Acl ? :p
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While in only a salesman i can tellya that calf injuries really linger.....1 week off would be ridiculous. Id expect him to be cherry ripe next round :shh
It could be a corked calf which can be a bugger to get rid of.
Agree with both of these
Have to be really careful with calf injuries.
In a lot of cases it is a case or train and then see how it is after cooling down. If it gets really tight then you are better not to risk it because if you tear it you are looking up to 6-8 weeks for a bad one. Strains can take anywhere from a week to 3 weeks depending on how severe the strain
Not worth the risk IMV
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cotton wool is his middle names i believe
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was just wondering where is the cotton wool boy. l have not noticed him missing cause he has hardly played since coming to Tigerland :lol Has he escaped the cage again ;D
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Wonder how Butcher is going
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was just wondering where is the cotton wool boy. l have not noticed him missing cause he has hardly played since coming to Tigerland :lol Has he escaped the cage again ;D
Problem is monky that when Griff plays we mostly win :cheers
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was just wondering where is the cotton wool boy. l have not noticed him missing cause he has hardly played since coming to Tigerland :lol Has he escaped the cage again ;D
Problem is monky that when Griff plays we mostly win :cheers
Thats true 10 flagon's ;D Rarely does he play & rarely do we win hahahaha :thumbsup
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Thats true 10 flagon's ;D Rarely does he play & rarely do we win hahahaha :thumbsup
That reminds me of the beach parties we use to have in the seventies.
A fire on the beach and everybody bought a flagon that got passed around the circle.
Good times and really really bad hangovers.
:lol
edit to fix quotes
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The decision to take him to Cairns that week baffles me when his return has been delayed so long.
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No point risking him now.
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That reminds me of the beach parties we use to have in the seventies.
A fire on the beach and everybody bought a flagon that got passed around the circle.
Good times and really really bad hangovers.
:lol
edit to fix quotes
yeah well we were lucky in them days cause now if you lit a fire & had booze on the beach you be locked up & fined heavy.
Can thank the new generation for bringing them laws in.
Can gladly say we all did the same :thumbsup
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No point risking him now.
Thats funny, very funny.
How can someone be a risk when they have hardly played a game for the club. He aint made a name for himself yet & you talk like his some champion cause he can kick bombs. Most players at the club can bomb the ball. Its what thier oppanants do that hurt.
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No point risking him now.
Thats funny, very funny.
How can someone be a risk when they have hardly played a game for the club. He aint made a name for himself yet & you talk like his some champion cause he can kick bombs. Most players at the club can bomb the ball. Its what thier oppanants do that hurt.
Griffiths is clearly a talent and has shown some very good signs this year. Surprised you can't see that.
Important part of our future.
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Ben Griffiths twitter: @bgriffo24
"Due to popular demand here is my mogress update #Movember #whatmogress? Donate at http://mobro.co/Griffo24"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7diSCYCEAEzeVY.jpg)
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Hope they play him forward this :pray
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Hope they play him forward this :pray
I second that!
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Big Ben's pet cat Lenny has gone missing in Richmond ...
https://twitter.com/bgriffo24/status/280049445104668672/photo/1
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Big Ben's pet cat Lenny has gone missing in Richmond ...
https://twitter.com/bgriffo24/status/280049445104668672/photo/1
Go have a beer OE....are you bored..... :lol
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Dim Sim by Now.
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Dim Sim by Now.
Tasted good. :lol
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And I just got myself a pair of fur leggins, assless in fact... :shh
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Big Ben's pet cat Lenny has gone missing in Richmond ...
https://twitter.com/bgriffo24/status/280049445104668672/photo/1
Go have a beer OE....are you bored..... :lol
I've been down to Bunnings to get a "super wall-mate" so I could hang a heavy-ish print on a plasterboard wall. So yes it has been excitement plus at my household today :lol.
Anyway Griffs has found his pet cat so all ends well :thumbsup
Ben Griffiths @bgriffo24 - "Lenny has been found, there still are some good people out there!! Thanks for all the retweets! #lennyontheloose 😼 "
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And I just got myself a pair of fur leggins, assless in fact... :shh
Pics or it never happened. ;D
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Those ragdoll cats are worth a mint and are a 24/7 indoor cat. Must belong to his missus or something.
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Big Ben's pet cat Lenny has gone missing in Richmond ...
https://twitter.com/bgriffo24/status/280049445104668672/photo/1
Go have a beer OE....are you bored..... :lol
I've been down to Bunnings to get a "super wall-mate" so I could hang a heavy-ish print on a plasterboard wall. So yes it has been excitement plus at my household today :lol.
Anyway Griffs has found his pet cat so all ends well :thumbsup
Ben Griffiths @bgriffo24 - "Lenny has been found, there still are some good people out there!! Thanks for all the retweets! #lennyontheloose "
Lookout you party animal, no holding you back...well, nothing but your new wall.. ;)
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VIDEO: Griffiths pre-season update ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-01-16/griffiths-preseason-update
Griffiths eyes opening round
By Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
4:33pm AEDT Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Developing Richmond tall Ben Griffiths has set his sights on a Round 1 senior spot after a promising but injury interrupted 2012 season.
On the back of a consistent pre-season campaign so far – his first injury free lead-up to a season since arriving at Tigerland – the 21-year-old has high hopes of cementing a position in the Tigers’ best 22.
“I’m feeling very good at the moment. I’ve had a lot of continuity, and I’ve pretty much done everything,” Griffiths told Roar Vision.
“I had a very big focus for myself to put on a lot of muscle over the break, and I’ve done that.
“I think that’s probably helped me durability wise, and I’ve been able to get through all of the sessions.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-01-16/griffiths-eyes-opening-round
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If his body holds up, I like the idea of him pinch hitting with Vickery in the ruck
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Fingers crossed. He's a big piece of the puzzle..
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Fingers crossed for an injury free season.
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Go Griff! Good luck mate, get in that forward line!
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Has this guy taken any scalps in the back line?
All i've seen from him is his monster kick.
I'm not sure if he's a defender's ahole
Needs to take more marks too, i'm not buying the hype ;D
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He's a forward
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He's a forward
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Has this guy taken any scalps in the back line?
All i've seen from him is his monster kick.
I'm not sure if he's a defender's ahole
Needs to take more marks too, i'm not buying the hype ;D
Did very well against the Saints.
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Has this guy taken any scalps in the back line?
All i've seen from him is his monster kick.
I'm not sure if he's a defender's ahole
Needs to take more marks too, i'm not buying the hype ;D
Didnt he do well against the Saints. One game doesn't make a player but its a start
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He's a forward
x 2
I would suggest that the Footy Dept has probably a combined total of what say 150 years experience @ the top level , they would know where Griff is best suited I reckon :)
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Has this guy taken any scalps in the back line?
All i've seen from him is his monster kick.
I'm not sure if he's a defender's ahole
Needs to take more marks too, i'm not buying the hype ;D
This is beautiful work from the cucumber. Your work in here lately has been a joy to watch. Keep up the good work. You will soon be inducted into OER's Trolling Hall of Fame! :clapping
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Fingers crossed. He's a big piece of the puzzle..
Agreed. Top 4 almost impossible without a fit Ben Griffiths! If he plays 22 we will make the eight!
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He's a forward
x 2
I would suggest that the Footy Dept has probably a combined total of what say 150 years experience @ the top level , they would know where Griff is best suited I reckon :)
Like they did with Richo???? :whistle......Deledio too for that matter until last year?
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He's a forward
x 2
I would suggest that the Footy Dept has probably a combined total of what say 150 years experience @ the top level , they would know where Griff is best suited I reckon :)
Like they did with Richo???? :whistle......Deledio too for that matter until last year?
What when he played on the wing? He was a monster on the wing, not coaching fault he got unjured. Deledio also couldn't handle being the man people go to in the centre, now he doesn't have to worry about it.
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Plodde... Errmmm gun :D
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He's a forward
x 2
I would suggest that the Footy Dept has probably a combined total of what say 150 years experience @ the top level , they would know where Griff is best suited I reckon :)
Like they did with Richo???? :whistle......Deledio too for that matter until last year?
What when he played on the wing? He was a monster on the wing, not coaching fault he got unjured. Deledio also couldn't handle being the man people go to in the centre, now he doesn't have to worry about it.
Yep you said it, so why did it take all of Richo's career for them to realise where he played best, 150 years of experience couldn't figure that out earlier?????
Can't understand your logic behind your Deledio comment or even what you mean.. :huh
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He's a forward
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I would suggest that the Footy Dept has probably a combined total of what say 150 years experience @ the top level , they would know where Griff is best suited I reckon :)
Like they did with Richo???? :whistle......Deledio too for that matter until last year?
What when he played on the wing? He was a monster on the wing, not coaching fault he got unjured. Deledio also couldn't handle being the man people go to in the centre, now he doesn't have to worry about it.
Yep you said it, so why did it take all of Richo's career for them to realise where he played best, 150 years of experience couldn't figure that out earlier?????
Can't understand your logic behind your Deledio comment or even what you mean.. :huh
Possibly because when Lids first went into the midfield there was no Cotchin therefore he attracted the best tagged and struggled - this obviously now isn't relevant as we have Cotch, Dusty etc and they cannot tag them all which takes pressure of Lids time in the midfield
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He's a forward
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I would suggest that the Footy Dept has probably a combined total of what say 150 years experience @ the top level , they would know where Griff is best suited I reckon :)
Like they did with Richo???? :whistle......Deledio too for that matter until last year?
What when he played on the wing? He was a monster on the wing, not coaching fault he got unjured. Deledio also couldn't handle being the man people go to in the centre, now he doesn't have to worry about it.
Yep you said it, so why did it take all of Richo's career for them to realise where he played best, 150 years of experience couldn't figure that out earlier?????
Can't understand your logic behind your Deledio comment or even what you mean.. :huh
Possibly because when Lids first went into the midfield there was no Cotchin therefore he attracted the best tagged and struggled - this obviously now isn't relevant as we have Cotch, Dusty etc and they cannot tag them all which takes pressure of Lids time in the midfield
I also think Lids has improved immensely as well!
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If his body holds up, I like the idea of him pinch hitting with Vickery in the ruck
U don't risk top shelf in the ruck
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I've got a feeling Griffs would have started up forward this year if Grimesy was right. One the BF training reports a week or so ago mentioned him training with the forwards and doing 2nd ruck duties as a follower. However with Grimes still doubtful and with what Griffs said in the article, it looks he with remain in defence for the time being alongside Rance and Chaplin. I'm guessing that means Aaron Edwards could start round 1 as the 3rd forward :-\.
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If i was developing BG, I would make him the 2013 version of Jim Jess.
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If i was developing BG, I would make him the 2013 version of Jim Jess.
Interesting idea, not Jimmy Jess backside on toughness but kicking and marking perhaps?
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Sure.
Give him a visual at least, of a blueprint that could develop his natural game
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I'd love him to play, but what will the team look like with him in it? Will he be starting on the bench with Vickery at CHF ?
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RFCO on BF said he believes Griffiths will stay in defence this year.
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Ben will be played as a forward in 2013 ;)
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:shh
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Ben will be played as a forward in 2013 ;)
He better not get injured this season! :police:
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Ben will be played as a forward in 2013 ;)
It makes cents
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Ben will be played as a forward in 2013 ;)
Caddy to the Kangaroos. :shh
3 year deal
This needed a bump
not reported in media but will happen
Same source?? :lol :lol
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God I'm sick of the keyboard tough men on this site.
:banghead
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To be honest I doubt even Dimma has a good idea of where Griff will play the majority of 2013. Could start forward but he may be required down back at some stage. Schulzy played most of the 2009 pre-season as a defender before the Wallet started him forward in the games he played in during the real season.
I don't know why people feel the need jump on here and wink ;) with their info. Coaches change their minds all the time and chances are Griff will spend time down back
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;)
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God I'm sick of the keyboard tough men on this site.
:banghead
Please don't leave us women out of it
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Schulzy played most of the 2009 pre-season as a defender before the Wallet started him forward in the games he played in during the real season...
I don't know why people feel the need jump on here and wink ;)...
I dont know why people feel the need to jump on here and talk about Port players. :-*
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Poor attempt at a wind up, Slick. Pretty good comparison I would have thought. Except Griffo hasn't had 7 kicks yet let alone 7 goals against the best team of all time :outtahere
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If i was developing BG, I would make him the 2013 version of Jim Jess.
Beard?
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/1zgt2xz.jpg)
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All indications are that Griff will remain for the most part in the back line and help out in the ruck there. I reckon that his position is as an attacking CHB.
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Ben will be played as a forward in 2013 ;)
I hope your on the money :thumbsup
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All indications are that Griff will remain for the most part in the back line and help out in the ruck there. I reckon that his position is as an attacking CHB.
i think you might be on to it.. Sounds like a good plan having a ruck option forward (Ty) mid (Ivan) and back (Griff) and as far as height and build, they're all capable of doing the job. Also means that if they're playing well its very hard to match up on 3 200cm+ mobile players..
Having a bloke in defence that can kick it into the centre and be mobile enough to run forward and bang it into the goal square from near the wing.. WOW! he could be a huge weapon..
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All indications are that Griff will remain for the most part in the back line and help out in the ruck there. I reckon that his position is as an attacking CHB.
i think you might be on to it.. Sounds like a good plan having a ruck option forward (Ty) mid (Ivan) and back (Griff) and as far as height and build, they're all capable of doing the job. Also means that if they're playing well its very hard to match up on 3 200cm+ mobile players..
Having a bloke in defence that can kick it into the centre and be mobile enough to run forward and bang it into the goal square from near the wing.. WOW! he could be a huge weapon..
Ben will be played as a forward in 2013 ;)
I hope your on the money :thumbsup
Two men say they're Geez, One of them must be wrong. ;D
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bang it into the goal square from near the wing.. WOW! he could be a huge weapon..
bang it through post high from the wing ;)
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Griff should lose the hairpiece and go the razor :shh
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bald with a massive beard would be good
need at least two beards, one baldy, and a black brother to win a grand final
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and a black brother to win a grand final
Whoa, what is this man?
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and a black brother to win a grand final
Whoa, what is this man?
you know brother
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aye brudda
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Get a room you two..... ::)
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If i was developing BG, I would make him the 2013 version of Jim Jess.
Beard?
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/1zgt2xz.jpg)
Hmmm....I need to see her with longer hair.
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Poor attempt at a wind up, Slick. Pretty good comparison I would have thought. Except Griffo hasn't had 7 kicks yet let alone 7 goals against the best team of all time :outtahere
My apologies. Shulzy is a great comparison for all players. Just wouldn't be right to have a football conversation on here without him.
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Poor attempt at a wind up, Slick. Pretty good comparison I would have thought. Except Griffo hasn't had 7 kicks yet let alone 7 goals against the best team of all time :outtahere
My apologies. Shulzy is a great comparison for all players. Just wouldn't be right to have a football conversation on here without him.
Two guys who had injuries troubles, play/played for Richmond, had been around a while and have played at both ends. Nup, no comparison there. Clearly a stack of other Richmond 1st round talls who were in the same position as Griff :lol :outtahere
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Poor attempt at a wind up, Slick. Pretty good comparison I would have thought. Except Griffo hasn't had 7 kicks yet let alone 7 goals against the best team of all time :outtahere
My apologies. Shulzy is a great comparison for all players. Just wouldn't be right to have a football conversation on here without him.
Two guys who had injuries troubles, play/played for Richmond, had been around a while and have played at both ends. Nup, no comparison there. Clearly a stack of other Richmond 1st round talls who were in the same position as Griff :lol :outtahere
Touche' old boy. :thumbsup You've still got it. In fact, that comeback reminds me of a time when me and Shulzy were out fishing...... :sleep
:laugh:
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Year Type Statistic
2013 Richmond One Percenters Per Game Leaders
Rank Name Games Average
1 Alex Rance 1 9.00
2 Benjamin Griffiths 1 6.00
3 Brandon Ellis 1 4.00
4 Ivan Maric 1 3.00
4 Jake Batchelor 1 3.00
4 Jack Riewoldt 1 3.00
4 Luke McGuane 1 3.00
8 Jake King 1 2.00
8 Troy Chaplin 1 2.00
8 Brett Deledio 1 2.00
8 Bachar Houli 1 2.00
12 Trent Cotchin 1 1.00
12 Reece Conca 1 1.00
12 Shane Tuck 1 1.00
12 Tyrone Vickery 1 1.00
12 Chris Newman 1 1.00
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I would like to see Ben at FF or CHF for the 2's.
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Interesting rumour lately that Sydney Swans are having a close look at Griffiths this season and may come knocking on the door at the end of the year. Considering hes not getting a regular game how do people see this?
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Touted as the new tony Lockett predraft.
IF he goes to Sydney he will fulfill this potential.
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Interesting rumour lately that Sydney Swans are having a close look at Griffiths this season and may come knocking on the door at the end of the year. Considering hes not getting a regular game how do people see this?
Depends on the offer
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No Deal!
Griffiths should be playing at FF!
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Griff for Reid? :shh
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Griff for Reid? :shh
You reckon Vickery has soft hands in a marking contest? Have a close look at Reid.
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Griff for Reid? :shh
You reckon Vickery has soft hands in a marking contest? Have a close look at Reid.
Reid looked like he was going to be a star a couple of years ago and still reckon he will be. Has been a squid lately
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Griff for Reid? :shh
You reckon Vickery has soft hands in a marking contest? Have a close look at Reid.
Reid looked like he was going to be a star a couple of years ago and still reckon he will be. Has been a squid lately
Agree. I've watched him closely in a couple of games this year and he is really soft and weak in his efforts in the marking contest. If he gets that touch of 'mongrel' in to him then he will be a very good player but if he doesn't then I think he will be another wasted talent (very very very much like I think of Vickery).
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Trained today with the forwards out of the goal square.
Maybe his days as a backman are finally numbered! :cheers :pray
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Trained today with the forwards out of the goal square.
Maybe his days as a backman are finally numbered! :cheers :pray
:pray
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Wouldn't be trading Griff
Reid would be the biggest whipping boy at Richmond, soft, lacks intensity, kicks like drunk girl - great hands though
I'm sure the plan was to play Griff back so he could get some continuity of games without re-injuring his shoulders. Club and Ben obviously have got to the point where it's time to go forward and test the body out :clapping
CHF :birthday
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Come on big Griffo. HOw many sausage rolls we predicting for tomorrow? I'll go 13. :clapping
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NEEDS TO GO FORWARD..... :banghead :banghead :banghead
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NEEDS TO GO FORWARD..... :banghead :banghead :banghead
Sounds like he is going forward. So.......
....NEEDS TO GO BACK FFS END THIS FARCE :banghead :banghead :banghead
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NEEDS TO GO FORWARD..... :banghead :banghead :banghead
Sounds like he is going forward. So.......
....NEEDS TO GO BACK FFS END THIS FARCE :banghead :banghead :banghead
Don't be silly.
In all honesty, we have tried him back last year and now this year, it's quite obvious it's not working!! He was recruited as a forward, he needs to go forward. Give him 6 games forward, then we will know or at least have an indication of his worth.
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NEEDS TO GO FORWARD..... :banghead :banghead :banghead
Sounds like he is going forward. So.......
....NEEDS TO GO BACK FFS END THIS FARCE :banghead :banghead :banghead
Don't be silly.
In all honesty, we have tried him back last year and now this year, it's quite obvious it's not working!! He was recruited as a forward, he needs to go forward. Give him 6 games forward, then we will know or at least have an indication of his worth.
All good. I agree with you. If we're going to turn forwards into defenders it's gotta be Astbury and/or Elton. They at least played as swingmen as juniors. Griff never did that as far as I know. If Griffo can mark the ball 3 times a game within range we can pencil in 3 goals.
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Great news. Now he will have to compete with McGuane and A.Edwards for a game going forwards.
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Agree with playing Griff in forwardline. See how he goes.
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At what point does the team just play him and see what he offers?
Like so many on OER, I want to see him up forward.
There's so many question marks on our pick 19 player.
I know he's had some injuries and has taken a while but I'd like to think that he'd start showing something in the senior side by now.
He's a big boy that can roost the footy and is very skillful from what we've seen thus far.
I can remember Tom Hawkins getting senior games even though he was struggling, then one day he just clicks and he becomes a one of the most dominating imposing forwards in the league.
So many others of similar size or age getting games is becoming increasingly frustrating because Griff lies stagnant in the twos.
I'm sure the club has a plan but I'm losing patience with waiting for it to manifest.
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should be in mcgaunes position.
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An excellent recent example is Majak Daws. I don't think he was dominating in the twos but look at him in the seniors. Helps when you are a focal point though.
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should be in mcgaunes position.
Err NO
Drop a bloke who's playing well more importnatly playing his team role extremely well for a bloke who's been struggling to play consistent footy at VFL level
Yep that makes perfect sense
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Shouldn't come in for someone who is doing the job asked of them. Could come in for Vickery if he continues to play poorly. Keep the big O as our second ruck.
I've always felt that if Griff was given the same opportunities as Ty, he would be an upgrade.
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should be in mcgaunes position.
Err NO
Drop a bloke who's playing well more importnatly playing his team role extremely well for a bloke who's been struggling to play consistent footy at VFL level
Yep that makes perfect sense
Your right. Griffiths should be delisted without having been given an extended run in the forward line or the senior team in general. In place of McGaune and Jackson will be be grand final winning players.
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should be in mcgaunes position.
Err NO
Drop a bloke who's playing well more importnatly playing his team role extremely well for a bloke who's been struggling to play consistent footy at VFL level
Yep that makes perfect sense
Your right. Griffiths should be delisted without having been given an extended run in the forward line or the senior team in general. In place of McGaune and Jackson will be be grand final winning players.
Not suggesting for 1 second he should be de-listed. I think he has a lot of upside but I don't believe in just gifting him games because of his age
Based purely on form to suggest McGuane should be dropped right now for Griffiths is laughable
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should be in mcgaunes position.
Err NO
Drop a bloke who's playing well more importnatly playing his team role extremely well for a bloke who's been struggling to play consistent footy at VFL level
Yep that makes perfect sense
Your right. Griffiths should be delisted without having been given an extended run in the forward line or the senior team in general. In place of McGaune and Jackson will be be grand final winning players.
Not suggesting for 1 second he should be de-listed. I think he has a lot of upside but I don't believe in just gifting him games because of his age
Based purely on form to suggest McGuane should be dropped right now for Griffiths is laughable
I'd rather gift games to guys that I can see have the skill set to be very good players than continue to play guys who will never win us a final. But I guess that's just me. Jackson can have three stinkers and can remain in the team. A guy like Griff was given one lousy game before he was dropped!
Please explain WP!
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should be in mcgaunes position.
Err NO
Drop a bloke who's playing well more importnatly playing his team role extremely well for a bloke who's been struggling to play consistent footy at VFL level
Yep that makes perfect sense
Your right. Griffiths should be delisted without having been given an extended run in the forward line or the senior team in general. In place of McGaune and Jackson will be be grand final winning players.
Not suggesting for 1 second he should be de-listed. I think he has a lot of upside but I don't believe in just gifting him games because of his age
Based purely on form to suggest McGuane should be dropped right now for Griffiths is laughable
I'd rather gift games to guys that I can see have the skill set to be very good players than continue to play guys who will never win us a final. But I guess that's just me. Jackson can have three stinkers and can remain in the team. A guy like Griff was given one lousy game before he was dropped!
Please explain WP!
Perhaps confidence? Jackson seems to have his head tucked right up in there so he'll continue to fluff it and not care where Griff is young and maybe can't handle dudding it up
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I'd rather gift games to guys that I can see have the skill set to be very good players than continue to play guys who will never win us a final. But I guess that's just me. Jackson can have three stinkers and can remain in the team. A guy like Griff was given one lousy game before he was dropped!
Please explain WP!
Firstly, we are not talking about Jackson. I have not mentioned Jackson in this discussion and don'' intend to because he isn't relevant to it
The discussion originally started by Bents was that McGuane should be dropped solely so Griffiths can play. I argued that McGuane should not be dropped as he is playing his role at the moment and doing it extremely well.
BTW on this point I am pretty sure you agreed with me earlier ;D
Refer:
Shouldn't come in for someone who is doing the job asked of them. Could come in for Vickery if he continues to play poorly. Keep the big O as our second ruck.
I've always felt that if Griff was given the same opportunities as Ty, he would be an upgrade.
(BTW I agree with your ppint re Vickery)
Bents then throw in the red herring of Jackson which I will repeat is not relevant to this argument/debate. People know my thoughts on the Football Butcher ;D
This disccussion is about McGuane -v- Griffiths. And I stand by what I wrote which was: currently based on purely on form you cannot drop McGuane. He doesn't deserved to be dropped
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I'd rather gift games to guys that I can see have the skill set to be very good players than continue to play guys who will never win us a final. But I guess that's just me. Jackson can have three stinkers and can remain in the team. A guy like Griff was given one lousy game before he was dropped!
Please explain WP!
Firstly, we are not talking about Jackson. I have not mentioned Jackson in this discussion and don'' intend to because he isn't relevant to it
The discussion originally started by Bents was that McGuane should be dropped solely so Griffiths can play. I argued that McGuane should not be dropped as he is playing his role at the moment and doing it extremely well.
BTW on this point I am pretty sure you agreed with me earlier ;D
Refer:
Shouldn't come in for someone who is doing the job asked of them. Could come in for Vickery if he continues to play poorly. Keep the big O as our second ruck.
I've always felt that if Griff was given the same opportunities as Ty, he would be an upgrade.
(BTW I agree with your ppint re Vickery)
Bents then throw in the red herring of Jackson which I will repeat is not relevant to this argument/debate. People know my thoughts on the Football Butcher ;D
This disccussion is about McGuane -v- Griffiths. And I stand by what I wrote which was: currently based on purely on form you cannot drop McGuane. He doesn't deserved to be dropped
I know I agreed with you on McGuane. No argument there. I have moved on from that. What I am asking is why we play certain types who can have howlers but don't get dropped (football butcher) but a guy like Griff who has the tools to win us big games has his confidence destroyed by being dropped after one game! A guy like that is worth persisting with because ultimately he is the future. Football butchers are not!
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I know I agreed with you on McGuane. No argument there. I have moved on from that. What I am asking is why we play certain types who can have howlers but don't get dropped (football butcher) but a guy like Griff who has the tools to win us big games has his confidence destroyed by being dropped after one game! A guy like that is worth persisting with because ultimately he is the future. Football butchers are not!
I cannot explain why certain players continue to get games over others. Have never understood it and probably never will. Clear as day though that all coaches have favourites and it shines like a beacon at the selection table far too often ;D
Think I was pretty clear after the Geelong game who should have got the chop. Unfortunately, it isn't going to happen this week because those very players (Grigg, Newman) were very good against Port, even Jacko did his job well
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... even Jacko did his job well
WP I think you might find that Jacko has done his job well in most of the games this season.
At last week's player sponsor's dinner, my sponsored player said to me that if Jacko keeps going the way he is going, he is a chance to win the B&F.
Now I have digressed, I completely agree with your comments re: Griffiths.
If there was a spot open in the fwd line, perhaps he might get a game. But he simply doesnt get enough of the ball. He looks sublime when he has it, but just not enough possessions for me at the moment.
I think Hampson showed him up in defence - he isnt overly quick off the mark and his closing speed that night wasnt great.
If his shoulders would stand up to it, why not try playing him in the ruck at Coburg?
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surely a players performance at coburg has to be at least as good as the players performance for richmond, that he is replacing?
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surely a players performance at coburg has to be at least as good as the players performance for richmond, that he is replacing?
Yes, Griff needs to earn it even if it was a but premmy to drop him after r1
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... even Jacko did his job well
WP I think you might find that Jacko has done his job well in most of the games this season.
At last week's player sponsor's dinner, my sponsored player said to me that if Jacko keeps going the way he is going, he is a chance to win the B&F.
Now I have digressed,
Funny I was at the dinner and got told something similar. All about them doing the roles they are given well. Interesting those dinners finding out what certain players roles are ;D
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surely a players performance at coburg has to be at least as good as the players performance for richmond, that he is replacing?
Yes, Griff needs to earn it even if it was a but premmy to drop him after r1
No problems with that if you apply the same rule to everyone.
How many stinkers does Vickery have to play this year before he gets dropped? Some players in the seniors get games gifted to them. Shouldn't they have to earn the right to play senior football too?
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... even Jacko did his job well
WP I think you might find that Jacko has done his job well in most of the games this season.
At last week's player sponsor's dinner, my sponsored player said to me that if Jacko keeps going the way he is going, he is a chance to win the B&F.
Now I have digressed,
Funny I was at the dinner and got told something similar. All about them doing the roles they are given well. Interesting those dinners finding out what certain players roles are ;D
A new role in football must be butchering the ball. Jacko would be way ahead if that was his role!
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Ben needs to find the footy more....simple
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... even Jacko did his job well
WP I think you might find that Jacko has done his job well in most of the games this season.
At last week's player sponsor's dinner, my sponsored player said to me that if Jacko keeps going the way he is going, he is a chance to win the B&F.
Now I have digressed,
Funny I was at the dinner and got told something similar. All about them doing the roles they are given well. Interesting those dinners finding out what certain players roles are ;D
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Any chance of finding the plan on Griffiths at one of those dinners WP?
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Ben needs to find the footy more....simple
Round 6 4th May Geelong Loss 87-131 5 4 9 3 1 0 3 4 0 2 0 2 48 38
Round 5 26th Apr Fremantle Loss 80-81 4 6 10 3 2 0 2 0 0 1 0 4 41 46
Round 4 20th Apr Collingwood Loss 79-113 8 2 10 3 2 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 52 68
McGaune is hardly bringing his own footy to games...
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:sleep
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Magoo might not be setting the world on fire ,but I cant see how, currently ben is beating the door down to boot him out........A Edwards yes
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... even Jacko did his job well
WP I think you might find that Jacko has done his job well in most of the games this season.
At last week's player sponsor's dinner, my sponsored player said to me that if Jacko keeps going the way he is going, he is a chance to win the B&F.
Now I have digressed,
Funny I was at the dinner and got told something similar. All about them doing the roles they are given well. Interesting those dinners finding out what certain players roles are ;D
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Any chance of finding the plan on Griffiths at one of those dinners WP?
:lol :lol
Not my sponsored player so I didn't talk to Ben :thumbsup
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... even Jacko did his job well
WP I think you might find that Jacko has done his job well in most of the games this season.
At last week's player sponsor's dinner, my sponsored player said to me that if Jacko keeps going the way he is going, he is a chance to win the B&F.
Now I have digressed,
Funny I was at the dinner and got told something similar. All about them doing the roles they are given well. Interesting those dinners finding out what certain players roles are ;D
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Any chance of finding the plan on Griffiths at one of those dinners WP?
:lol :lol
Not my sponsored player so I didn't talk to Ben :thumbsup
Who do you sponsor? Or is that another sworn secret :shh
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Who do you sponsor? Or is that another sworn secret :shh
A player :shh :shh ;D
Actually it was good this year had 3 players on our table. They were all great company
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BOT
Get a kick BEN :banghead
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McGaune is hardly bringing his own footy to games...
Never let the stats get in the way of a good story, how about all of McGuane's stats this year, not just the last few games:
2013 Games Log for Luke McGuane (Richmond Tigers)
Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 FF FA DT SC
Round 7 11th May Port Adelaide Win 114-73 8 3 11 8 1 1 1 0 1 2 0 0 65 62
Round 6 4th May Geelong Loss 87-131 5 4 9 3 1 0 3 4 0 2 0 2 48 38
Round 5 26th Apr Fremantle Loss 80-81 4 6 10 3 2 0 2 0 0 1 0 4 41 46
Round 4 20th Apr Collingwood Loss 79-113 8 2 10 3 2 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 52 68
Round 3 14th Apr Western Bulldogs Win 135-68 10 4 14 5 3 1 2 0 2 4 1 3 72 78
Round 2 5th Apr St Kilda Win 99-82 10 5 15 4 2 3 1 1 0 1 2 0 74 87
Round 1 28th Mar Carlton Win 106-101 6 6 12 3 2 1 4 0 0 2 1 2 63 101
So McGuane has kicked 13 goals in 7 games which if he keeps that average up equates to around 39 plus goals for the season. Not bad for your third tall who is also athletic and gives a contest in the fwd line.
Take Griffs best year - 2012, footywire has him as having the following:
2012 Games Log for Benjamin Griffiths (Richmond Tigers)
Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 FF FA Brownlow
Round 21 18th Aug Fremantle Loss 72-94 2 1 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Round 20 12th Aug Western Bulldogs Win 150-80 3 1 4 2 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 2
Round 19 4th Aug Brisbane Win 132-84 4 2 6 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Round 15 7th Jul Melbourne Win 101-78 7 5 12 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1
Round 14 30th Jun Adelaide Loss 87-106 11 6 17 7 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 0
Round 12 16th Jun GWS Win 86-74 4 3 7 1 0 0 2 0 0 2 0 2
Round 11 9th Jun Fremantle Loss 66-78 1 7 8 2 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0
Round 10 1st Jun St Kilda Win 121-113 3 7 10 2 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0
Round 9 26th May Hawthorn Win 137-75 6 10 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 1
and in the win over carlton Griff had 6 disposals - so in his last 4 afl games (selective stats here too, last 3 from 2012 plus carlton this year0 he has had 19 disposals.
As I said in an earlier post, I think he looks sublime - his kicking is sensational- he just doesnt get it enough. He doesnt really exert himself on the contest.
A couple of weeks ago at Coburg, the coaches instructions to the players were that they wanted to get him into the game more. If Griff ran by them, they were to pass it to him. Only problem, as I understand it from the observer who heard these instructions, Griff just never ran by them to get/receive the ball. Pity.
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I think they will continue to play Griffith as a backman this year but over the preseason they will change his role to forward. I thing I want to see Griffiths doing is taking a grab. When he has the ball in his hands he is an elite disposer of the ball either launching it 70m or pinpointing a pass to a short option. He is no backman though.
His shoulders have obviously worried the coaches and medical staff. Couple that with the general consensus that tall forwards should learn their smarts learning from the defenders perspective and you have all the justification you require to make him a short term defender.
With his speed, height and kick he would make an amazing CHF pushing up the wings and taking big grabs. Confidence is probably an issue now too. If he hasn't the strength yet to out-muscle opponents or the ability to stick a mark though, then he would just be taking up space in the team.
Hope he can develop his game :pray
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Who do you sponsor? Or is that another sworn secret :shh
A player :shh :shh ;D
Actually it was good this year had 3 players on our table. They were all great company
How is Billy Nicholls WP? ;D ;)
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How is Billy Nicholls WP? ;D ;)
Will admit I had a laugh tiga,
I can't remember where I was when he was arrested on the street so didn't know about until that night when it was on the news.
Family look to me and say "didn't you sponsor that guy". I said "yep for 12 months". Next comment from family "you know how to pick 'em don't you"
Touche ;D
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McGaune is hardly bringing his own footy to games...
Never let the stats get in the way of a good story, how about all of McGuane's stats this year, not just the last few games:
2013 Games Log for Luke McGuane (Richmond Tigers)
Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 FF FA DT SC
Round 7 11th May Port Adelaide Win 114-73 8 3 11 8 1 1 1 0 1 2 0 0 65 62
Round 6 4th May Geelong Loss 87-131 5 4 9 3 1 0 3 4 0 2 0 2 48 38
Round 5 26th Apr Fremantle Loss 80-81 4 6 10 3 2 0 2 0 0 1 0 4 41 46
Round 4 20th Apr Collingwood Loss 79-113 8 2 10 3 2 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 52 68
Round 3 14th Apr Western Bulldogs Win 135-68 10 4 14 5 3 1 2 0 2 4 1 3 72 78
Round 2 5th Apr St Kilda Win 99-82 10 5 15 4 2 3 1 1 0 1 2 0 74 87
Round 1 28th Mar Carlton Win 106-101 6 6 12 3 2 1 4 0 0 2 1 2 63 101
So McGuane has kicked 13 goals in 7 games which if he keeps that average up equates to around 39 plus goals for the season. Not bad for your third tall who is also athletic and gives a contest in the fwd line.
Take Griffs best year - 2012, footywire has him as having the following:
2012 Games Log for Benjamin Griffiths (Richmond Tigers)
Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 FF FA Brownlow
Round 21 18th Aug Fremantle Loss 72-94 2 1 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Round 20 12th Aug Western Bulldogs Win 150-80 3 1 4 2 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 2
Round 19 4th Aug Brisbane Win 132-84 4 2 6 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Round 15 7th Jul Melbourne Win 101-78 7 5 12 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1
Round 14 30th Jun Adelaide Loss 87-106 11 6 17 7 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 0
Round 12 16th Jun GWS Win 86-74 4 3 7 1 0 0 2 0 0 2 0 2
Round 11 9th Jun Fremantle Loss 66-78 1 7 8 2 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0
Round 10 1st Jun St Kilda Win 121-113 3 7 10 2 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0
Round 9 26th May Hawthorn Win 137-75 6 10 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 1
and in the win over carlton Griff had 6 disposals - so in his last 4 afl games (selective stats here too, last 3 from 2012 plus carlton this year0 he has had 19 disposals.
As I said in an earlier post, I think he looks sublime - his kicking is sensational- he just doesnt get it enough. He doesnt really exert himself on the contest.
A couple of weeks ago at Coburg, the coaches instructions to the players were that they wanted to get him into the game more. If Griff ran by them, they were to pass it to him. Only problem, as I understand it from the observer who heard these instructions, Griff just never ran by them to get/receive the ball. Pity.
I look forward with baited breath to your next statistical analysis. :whistle
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those at the club know best. or how about i trust francis jackson over hacks like you.
i have just two words when it comes to talls that draft . black, carlisle. yet im a mug.and why not pull my own chain all most on here want vto do is have a crack.
is it too early to be crowing, for sure but what the hell? i cop crap from everyone on most sites because i stick to my guns. when your right no one ever comes back and acknowledges it.
ben should always have been developed as a forward and he should have spent his time mostly at coburg in that role with bklocks of games here and there for the experience. im wondering have we done a posty on ben.
i basically got banned on pre over the 09 draft.almost every criticism i had on us drafting ben has come home to roost.
silly thing is i reckon hes got a lot of talent like most do. its getting close to the time where ben needs to show some sort of improvement and stop living off the potential tag.
does anyone know if hes getting a kick at coburg. 200cm players are there to dominate in the air is he clunking marks or at least bringing iot to ground constantly at coburg.,
people dont want to admit it but we continue to have real problems with most of our talls. tyrone vikery and luke mcguane say high up forwrd and i dont need mention the bloke down back.
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Sydney bound is what Im hearing.
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Sydney bound is what Im hearing.
Tony Lockett the 2nd. :bow
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I look forward with baited breath to your next statistical analysis. :whistle
Just so that I won't disappoint you:
As to Ben Griffiths:
Go to sporting pulse and look at the stats for Ben Griffiths -
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192151205&client=1-118-10471-253880-18717695
As to Luke McGuane:
see Dimma's video from the previous week and Luke's smother and second effort that resulted in Knights' goal (when he did his patella).
There may be a reason for McGuane's effort yesterday than has been reported - as others have said in the McGuane thread - gastro possibly.
:)
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Going to stick my neck out here. Does anybody else think that it is time for Griff to play in the Ruck with the view of a long term forward ruck role?
He is 200cm which is the same as Maric and Vickery but he is heavier. One strenth he has over the other two is his leap. His shoulders are fine now why not try it? We are getting smashed in the ruck every week so we need to try something. He is not a defender clearly so why not re-invent him.
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Going to stick my neck out here. Does anybody else think that it is time for Griff to play in the Ruck with the view of a long term forward ruck role?
He is 200cm which is the same as Maric and Vickery but he is heavier. One strenth he has over the other two is his leap. His shoulders are fine now why not try it? We are getting smashed in the ruck every week so we need to try something. He is not a defender clearly so why not re-invent him.
Are his shoulders fine though? Quite often they never come back the same
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Going to stick my neck out here. Does anybody else think that it is time for Griff to play in the Ruck with the view of a long term forward ruck role?
He is 200cm which is the same as Maric and Vickery but he is heavier. One strenth he has over the other two is his leap. His shoulders are fine now why not try it? We are getting smashed in the ruck every week so we need to try something. He is not a defender clearly so why not re-invent him.
No he is doing fine at Coburg.
He might be a backline player in 2020.
Why stifle his development on that and play him in pea heart Vickery's role?
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Year Type Statistic
2013 Richmond One Percenters Per Game Leaders
Rank Name Games Average
1 Alex Rance 1 9.00
2 Benjamin Griffiths 1 6.00
3 Brandon Ellis 1 4.00
4 Ivan Maric 1 3.00
4 Jake Batchelor 1 3.00
4 Jack Riewoldt 1 3.00
4 Luke McGuane 1 3.00
8 Jake King 1 2.00
8 Troy Chaplin 1 2.00
8 Brett Deledio 1 2.00
8 Bachar Houli 1 2.00
12 Trent Cotchin 1 1.00
12 Reece Conca 1 1.00
12 Shane Tuck 1 1.00
12 Tyrone Vickery 1 1.00
12 Chris Newman 1 1.00
Bump
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Got to be worth a try in the ruck. Honestly Stephenson and Derickx aren't up to it.
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This is simple.
Kick Jack out of Full Forward and stick him at Centre Half Forward
Stick Griffiths in the Full Forward Spot and
Vickery can play the third tall role.
End.
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We need a new whipping boy lets get chicken wings in da side
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PUT GRIFF FORWARD FOR 6 WEEKS..FFS HARDWICK!
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But we play A. Edwards.
And we wonder why we are the laughing stock of the AFL.
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Griff could make us look like a laughing stock again if he is traded, fair dinkum he needs a decent crack at it, then at least we will see.
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The worst bit about this is, although Griff is young and can kick a country mile, he hasent got much else. A. Edwards is older and likes a beer to much but he is a much better player than Griff.
Forward, back, at the moment he is VFL standard, sorry to say. Don't think he has improved in his 3 years at the club.
How bad must DH rate him if he cannot even get a game in our side, let alone a forwardline that is non existent..
Earn your spot for your ability not your age bracket.
Don't even get me started on Astbury. :banghead
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The worst bit about this is, although Griff is young and can kick a country mile, he hasent got much else. A. Edwards is older and likes a beer to much but he is a much better player than Griff.
Forward, back, at the moment he is VFL standard, sorry to say. Don't think he has improved in his 3 years at the club.
How bad must DH rate him if he cannot even get a game in our side, let alone a forwardline that is non existent..
Earn your spot for your ability not your age bracket.
Don't even get me started on Astbury. :banghead
BT, we wouldn't really know how much Griff has mate at FF, we haven't had the balls to play him there long enough. Sydney will though...... :banghead
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The worst bit about this is, although Griff is young and can kick a country mile, he hasent got much else. A. Edwards is older and likes a beer to much but he is a much better player than Griff.
Forward, back, at the moment he is VFL standard, sorry to say. Don't think he has improved in his 3 years at the club.
How bad must DH rate him if he cannot even get a game in our side, let alone a forwardline that is non existent..
Earn your spot for your ability not your age bracket.
Don't even get me started on Astbury. :banghead
BT, we wouldn't really know how much Griff has mate at FF, we haven't had the balls to play him there long enough. Sydney will though...... :banghead
If Sydney get their grubby mits on Griff then they will make him a star and Richmond FC will have no one else to blame but themselves.
WTF has happened over the last 12 months - Petterd, Edwards, Stephenson, Lonergan etc etc etc. Its all rubbish. Richmond never learns its just Recycle Recycle Recycle. Just so that afew people can say they did a job and found a moneyball recruit. As Tucker likes to say - MALAKIES!
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The worst bit about this is, although Griff is young and can kick a country mile, he hasent got much else. A. Edwards is older and likes a beer to much but he is a much better player than Griff.
Forward, back, at the moment he is VFL standard, sorry to say. Don't think he has improved in his 3 years at the club.
How bad must DH rate him if he cannot even get a game in our side, let alone a forwardline that is non existent..
Earn your spot for your ability not your age bracket.
Don't even get me started on Astbury. :banghead
BT, we wouldn't really know how much Griff has mate at FF, we haven't had the balls to play him there long enough. Sydney will though...... :banghead
If Sydney get their grubby mits on Griff then they will make him a star and Richmond FC will have no one else to blame but themselves.
WTF has happened over the last 12 months - Petterd, Edwards, Stephenson, Lonergan etc etc etc. Its all rubbish. Richmond never learns its just Recycle Recycle Recycle. Just so that afew people can say they did a job and found a moneyball recruit. As Tucker likes to say - MALAKIES!
They have Tippett and Sam Reid.
Griff will be an excess.
Perfect fit for Brisbane as help to an ageing Brown and deal in something like Polec or Rich.
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I bet my left nut - if griffo goes Sydney he will kill it.
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I bet my left nut - if griffo goes Sydney he will kill it.
If Griff goes anywhere he will kill it.
If he stays at Richmond he will be remembered fondly like other big blokes like
Richard Lounder
Robert Schaefer
Ty Esler
David Honybun
Wayne Thornborrow
Stephen Jurica
Shane Morrison
Luke Weller
Mark Stockdale
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PUT GRIFF FORWARD FOR 6 WEEKS..FFS HARDWICK!
HERE HERE!!!
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I bet my left nut - if griffo goes Sydney he will kill it.
I will add my right one to that mix and make it a pair!!!
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Mitch Morton says hi
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The worst bit about this is, although Griff is young and can kick a country mile, he hasent got much else. A. Edwards is older and likes a beer to much but he is a much better player than Griff.
Forward, back, at the moment he is VFL standard, sorry to say. Don't think he has improved in his 3 years at the club.
How bad must DH rate him if he cannot even get a game in our side, let alone a forwardline that is non existent..
Earn your spot for your ability not your age bracket.
Don't even get me started on Astbury. :banghead
BT, we wouldn't really know how much Griff has mate at FF, we haven't had the balls to play him there long enough. Sydney will though...... :banghead
If Sydney get their grubby mits on Griff then they will make him a star and Richmond FC will have no one else to blame but themselves.
WTF has happened over the last 12 months - Petterd, Edwards, Stephenson, Lonergan etc etc etc. Its all rubbish. Richmond never learns its just Recycle Recycle Recycle. Just so that afew people can say they did a job and found a moneyball recruit. As Tucker likes to say - MALAKIES!
What did we give up for these malakies Ramps?
How many more 18 yos should we have picked up in last years draft?
How do we prevent further global warming
Did FJ hear the sound of one hand clapping when taking a dump in the forest during the 2009 draft?
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The worst bit about this is, although Griff is young and can kick a country mile, he hasent got much else. A. Edwards is older and likes a beer to much but he is a much better player than Griff.
Forward, back, at the moment he is VFL standard, sorry to say. Don't think he has improved in his 3 years at the club.
How bad must DH rate him if he cannot even get a game in our side, let alone a forwardline that is non existent..
Earn your spot for your ability not your age bracket.
Don't even get me started on Astbury. :banghead
BT, we wouldn't really know how much Griff has mate at FF, we haven't had the balls to play him there long enough. Sydney will though...... :banghead
If Sydney get their grubby mits on Griff then they will make him a star and Richmond FC will have no one else to blame but themselves.
WTF has happened over the last 12 months - Petterd, Edwards, Stephenson, Lonergan etc etc etc. Its all rubbish. Richmond never learns its just Recycle Recycle Recycle. Just so that afew people can say they did a job and found a moneyball recruit. As Tucker likes to say - MALAKIES!
What did we give up for these malakies Ramps?
How many more 18 yos should we have picked up in last years draft?
How do we prevent further global warming
Did FJ hear the sound of one hand clapping when taking a dump in the forest during the 2009 draft?
F. J will look back on 2009 and cringe.
I wouldn't be suprised if he wakes up at night with the sweats on how bad his 2009 has turned out for him.
The club should thank him for his services with a Mickey Mouse watch and pay some coin for a decent recruiting manager that can choose beyond the first round.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that he isn't up to it.
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I bet my left nut - if griffo goes Sydney he will kill it.
I will add my right one to that mix and make it a pair!!!
That makes you and Bents a pair of nuts? Is that what you mean? ;D
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I'm regards to Griff not kicking bags of goals in the 2s.
Not many would given the lack of quality in Coburg midfield
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The worst bit about this is, although Griff is young and can kick a country mile, he hasent got much else. A. Edwards is older and likes a beer to much but he is a much better player than Griff.
Forward, back, at the moment he is VFL standard, sorry to say. Don't think he has improved in his 3 years at the club.
How bad must DH rate him if he cannot even get a game in our side, let alone a forwardline that is non existent..
Earn your spot for your ability not your age bracket.
Don't even get me started on Astbury. :banghead
BT, we wouldn't really know how much Griff has mate at FF, we haven't had the balls to play him there long enough. Sydney will though...... :banghead
If Sydney get their grubby mits on Griff then they will make him a star and Richmond FC will have no one else to blame but themselves.
WTF has happened over the last 12 months - Petterd, Edwards, Stephenson, Lonergan etc etc etc. Its all rubbish. Richmond never learns its just Recycle Recycle Recycle. Just so that afew people can say they did a job and found a moneyball recruit. As Tucker likes to say - MALAKIES!
What did we give up for these malakies Ramps?
How many more 18 yos should we have picked up in last years draft?
How do we prevent further global warming
Did FJ hear the sound of one hand clapping when taking a dump in the forest during the 2009 draft?
F. J will look back on 2009 and cringe.
I wouldn't be suprised if he wakes up at night with the sweats on how bad his 2009 has turned out for him.
The club should thank him for his services with a Mickey Mouse watch and pay some coin for a decent recruiting manager that can choose beyond the first round.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that he isn't up to it.
lol so i take it hes already cringing at 05, 06, 07, 08 and now 09.
a sneak peak at 2010 and its looking shakey as well.
i cant believe people defend jackson.
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I bet my left nut - if griffo goes Sydney he will kill it.
I will add my right one to that mix and make it a pair!!!
That makes you and Bents a pair of nuts? Is that what you mean? ;D
No he was speaking metaphorically, referring to testicle so that would make them a pair of testicles
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I'm regards to Griff not kicking bags of goals in the 2s.
Not many would given the lack of quality in Coburg midfield
McBean has kicked a few, as a first year player. In fact from memory he's kicked a couple even when we've been flogged. Stop making excuses for Griff. All he needs to do is string a couple of strong and hungry games together in the twos. Not that hard for a player of his size, talent and experience.
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I bet my left nut - if griffo goes Sydney he will kill it.
I will add my right one to that mix and make it a pair!!!
That makes you and Bents a pair of nuts? Is that what you mean? ;D
No he was speaking metaphorically, referring to testicle so that would make them a pair of testicles
;D
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McBean has kicked a few, as a first year player.
:yep
In fact from memory he's kicked a couple even when we've been flogged.
Yes from the little I have seen McBean has been very efficient given the lack of forward entries and the low quality of ball to him.
Stop making excuses for Griff.
I am not. I am simply pointing out the facts.
From the little of Coburg I have said Griffo has been playing full back and has down a reasonable job.
Infact I believe after round one he had the most 'one percenters' and he seemed to carry this over to VFL, some good closing speed for a big guy and Grimes-like punches when following the full forward on a lead.
He has played at least some of the VFL season in the backline. So to kick goals when this is the scenario is tough. Last game against Collingwood he showed aggression but was only moved to the forward line in the latter part of the game when the situation was unattainable.
Vlastuin, Knights etc. no longer play for Coburg so if Griffiths does play forward he will be presented the ball by the like of Verrier and Abdullah whos kicking abilities is are below top rate.
All he needs to do is string a couple of strong and hungry games together in the twos. Not that hard for a player of his size, talent and experience.
Griff has played 19 games of AFL. 21 years old.
At 2 meters tall he is genuine ruck height. Some people say a ruckman wont reach his best untill 24-26 if not later...
At the end of the day we are pumping games into McGaune and Aaron Edwards. Proven middle (to lower) ablity players. We have some talented prospects in; Griffiths, McBean, Elton, Astbury, OHanlon. From the hardwick perspective we are winning games so playing kids who might be worse in the short term but turn into top liners doesn't worry him :-\
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You make some interesting points and I don't think we differ too much in our analysis. I just don't think Griff is doing enough to warrant senior selection atm and I don't think it will necessarily hinder his development to fight it out for a bit in the twos.
Maguane and Edwards are necessary 'bridging' players until our more talented talls are ready. Azza has earnt a chance in the seniors, despite a very quiet game on a day that was tough for marking players.
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He will take a while to reach his peak but 4 touches is stuffing pathetic.
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There's no reason why Griff shouldn't stand out at VFL level. As a forward he should be flogging his opponent in one on ones and as a defender you'd hope he'd beat his man and rack up plenty of footy at the same time. That's what the good KPPs do at the lower level. Even the Richmond fella who does the player reports can't even write something positive about Griffo. He is a full time footballer, it's his profession. He is playing against part time drunks and hacks
Is he sooking?
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There's no reason why Griff shouldn't stand out at VFL level.
It is common for some players to go better at AFL than VFL level believe it or not.
Strange as it sounds sometimes playing with highly talented team mates instead of plodders benefits their game. There must be other reasons too I am not aware of.
as a defender you'd hope he'd beat his man and rack up plenty of footy at the same time.
I thought Morris was our best handful of players vs. Adealide. And yet only finshed with six touches.
Tradionality some full backs have played well without getting much of the pill themselves. Shane Walkin for example. However I believe Griffiths is being played out of his natural position.
From radio account he was not sooking but punching collingwood people :cheers
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There's no reason why Griff shouldn't stand out at VFL level. As a forward he should be flogging his opponent in one on ones and as a defender you'd hope he'd beat his man and rack up plenty of footy at the same time. That's what the good KPPs do at the lower level. Even the Richmond fella who does the player reports can't even write something positive about Griffo. He is a full time footballer, it's his profession. He is playing against part time drunks and hacks
Is he sooking?
:clapping If we get offered anything useful based on his talent and rating as a junior I hope we've learnt from the Schulz debacle. Knock back pick 28 and a year later get 2 packets of stale twisties. :banghead :banghead
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And now the J-German is playing wel... hmm...
Only at 25 did Jay Schulz start to play well...
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There's no reason why Griff shouldn't stand out at VFL level.
It is common for some players to go better at AFL than VFL level believe it or not.
Strange as it sounds sometimes playing with highly talented team mates instead of plodders benefits their game.
Agree. Although playing with better players at AFL level hasn't helped Griff get more than a couple of kicks.
as a defender you'd hope he'd beat his man and rack up plenty of footy at the same time.
I thought Morris was our best handful of players vs. Adealide. And yet only finshed with six touches.
Tradionality some full backs have played well without getting much of the pill themselves. Shane Walkin for example. However I believe Griffiths is being played out of his natural position.
From radio account he was not sooking but punching collingwood people :cheers
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No doubt. But Griff is mobile and a beautiful, long kick of the footy. At VFL level you'd want him to provide plenty of rebound as well as stopping his man. At AFL level I couldn't care less if he only had 3 touches as long as he kept a good player fairly quiet.
There's no reason why Griff shouldn't stand out at VFL level. As a forward he should be flogging his opponent in one on ones and as a defender you'd hope he'd beat his man and rack up plenty of footy at the same time. That's what the good KPPs do at the lower level. Even the Richmond fella who does the player reports can't even write something positive about Griffo. He is a full time footballer, it's his profession. He is playing against part time drunks and hacks
Is he sooking?
:clapping If we get offered anything useful based on his talent and rating as a junior I hope we've learnt from the Schulz debacle. Knock back pick 28 and a year later get 2 packets of stale twisties. :banghead :banghead
A lot of people thought those twisties were tasty for one season
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And now the J-German is playing wel... hmm...
Only at 25 did Jay Schulz start to play well...
The German had played good footy for Richmond before and also dominated at the lower level. poo coaching and development (and perhaps a lack of motivation towards the end) is what finished his RFC chapter.
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They were stuffing delicious. Nason's golden locks flowing down the wing until we upgraded him with Grigg, who we probably now need to look at upgrading on.
And that pass by Farmer against Sydney at the MCG was amazing.
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He is playing against part time drunks and hacks
Is he sooking?
You're a full time drunk and you're not that bad
He's sooking, and has offers on the table
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He is playing against part time drunks and hacks
Is he sooking?
You're a full time drunk and you're not that bad
He's sooking, and has offers on the table
Not bad? I was brilliant.
Don't reveal any info from Club80 please. Loose lips sink ships
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Quality person with wonderful skills, 200cm and runs like a sprinter
Give him a year and he will be staring for the seniors
Had something off the field that upset him this year which is his business
All big blokes take a bit longer than mids
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And now the J-German is playing wel... hmm...
Only at 25 did Jay Schulz start to play well...
The German had played good footy for Richmond before and also dominated at the lower level. poo coaching and development (and perhaps a lack of motivation towards the end) is what finished his RFC chapter.
Are you joking Coach?
He had one good game against the bears in Brisbane and we were all talking about it for 3 years.
I think your right about development though as Wallet was clearly far too technical for the someone like Shultz that, let's face it, isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
With all the info he was receiving from the tanned one the poor kid was running in circles with absolutely no idea what he was supposed to do.
Like the game against Brisbane, Port obviously kept it pretty simple for him with very slow speaking and clear, easy words.....
Lead for ball, mark the ball, kick the goal.
Obviously that's all the info the boy needed. ;D
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Griffins not getting a go.
Is that poon development coaching also?
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Griffins not getting a go.
Is that poon development coaching also?
He can get a go if he can get more than 5 touches at the burgers
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Quality person with wonderful skills, 200cm and runs like a sprinter
Give him a year and he will be staring for the seniors
Had something off the field that upset him this year which is his business
All big blokes take a bit longer than mids
Do we pick one of those reasons or are they all applicable?
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The German had played good footy for Richmond before and also dominated at the lower level. poo coaching and development (and perhaps a lack of motivation towards the end) is what finished his RFC chapter.
Agree. Well said.
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Had something off the field that upset him this year which is his business
Is that legit? If so, would explain why he's been so bad. Rance obviously had his off-field issue and as soon as it was sorted he started playing well the very next day. Hopefully big Griffo can turn it around.
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Is that poon development coaching also?
love a bit of poon
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Is that poon development coaching also?
love a bit of poon
Soft or hard core?
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As mentioned in the Coburg thread, Griffiths copped another hit to the head and went off with concussion.
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Kid just can't take a trick. :help
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He got pooned
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Kid just can't take a trick. :help
Or get a kick, have to move on at end of season
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Here I was thinking he could play CHF against the Hawks if Vickery is out. Then I find out he's been injured again. :banghead
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Here I was thinking he could play CHF against the Hawks if Vickery is out. Then I find out he's been injured again. :banghead
Is it too much to ask to leave Griffo for 6 weeks at full forward when he is fit?
Even @ Coburg ffs
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Here I was thinking he could play CHF against the Hawks if Vickery is out. Then I find out he's been injured again. :banghead
Is it too much to ask to leave Griffo for 6 weeks at full forward when he is fit?
Even @ Coburg ffs
Um the 2 key forwards edwards and mcbean kicked 12 between them yesterday and nine last week. Is an embarrasment of riches at punt rd right now, we re gonna need to work overtime locking down this veritable warehouse of talent :shh
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Here I was thinking he could play CHF against the Hawks if Vickery is out. Then I find out he's been injured again. :banghead
Is it too much to ask to leave Griffo for 6 weeks at full forward when he is fit?
Even @ Coburg ffs
Um the 2 key forwards edwards and mcbean kicked 12 between them yesterday and nine last week. Is an embarrasment of riches at punt rd right now, we re gonna need to work overtime locking down this veritable warehouse of talent :shh
No we're not. McBean is contracted and Edwards will not get a gig at another AFL club.
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Here I was thinking he could play CHF against the Hawks if Vickery is out. Then I find out he's been injured again. :banghead
Is it too much to ask to leave Griffo for 6 weeks at full forward when he is fit?
Even @ Coburg ffs
Um the 2 key forwards edwards and mcbean kicked 12 between them yesterday and nine last week. Is an embarrasment of riches at punt rd right now, we re gonna need to work overtime locking down this veritable warehouse of talent :shh
Aaron must be delisted. Clearly not up to AFL standard. Blocking the way of promising kids at both AFL and VFL level.
Now, maybe he will kick a bag against a GWS. but can he do it vs a top four team? :cheers ;)
Coburg key forward set up should be:
HF - OHanlon. Elton. McBean.
FF - x - Griffiths - x
If McGaune has someone looking at him must be traded for list management reasoning, surely...
McGaune is good at forward line pressure but hes not a good footballer. Cant see us being a top 4 side as Lukas the the CHF or FF. Would love to be wrong but the development of Elton, Griffiths, McBean is at stage, each potentially a proper AFL standard forward.
Jack is a good players and we must find the best forward line set up. Seeing as we will be playing final it will not happen until next year.
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Rumour on BF that the Saints are interested in Griffs.
This is at odds with what Dan Richardson said on 3aw on the weekend before the Giants game. He said we would continue to develop Griffs over the next 12-18 months.
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just because we want to keep developing him doesnt mean that someone else would not be interested in him
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I foresee him kicking 50 at the saints and jack doing an injury :o
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First round pick :shh
Get it done Tigers!!
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Trade him for Tom Lee :cheers
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Trade him for Tom Lee :cheers
Stop trying trying to please Claw and start thinking about where this list will be in 3 years time FFS :banghead
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Stick with him
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Stick with him
+1
Have seen something in both him and Asbury to give them another year at least.
6'4" plus guys dont grow on trees and take time.
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Stick with him
+1
Have seen something in both him and Asbury to give them another year at least.
6'4" plus guys dont grow on trees and take time.
:yep
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This is at odds with what Dan Richardson said on 3aw on the weekend before the Giants game. He said we would continue to develop Griffs over the next 12-18 months.
Could be 'sleight of hand' in order to boost his value. If I was at the doggies I would move Heaven and Earth to get him.
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Mcgaune + Aaron Edwards :banghead
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Give him another 2 years is my call and a big pass on Tom Lee.
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Trade for early pick or Tom Hickey :shh (very unlikely ;D)
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keep the griff one more season.
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#standbygriffiths
+2
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Would get concussed at least 3 times on the journey from Melbourne to Seaford.
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#standbygriffiths
+2
:lol
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#standbygriffiths
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Would get concussed at least 3 times on the journey from Melbourne to Seaford.
I think they have good docs for that at Seaford. Kosi is up for his 200th this week. :whistle
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Would get concussed at least 3 times on the journey from Melbourne to Seaford.
I think they have good docs for that at Seaford. Kosi is up for his 200th this week. :whistle
Listened to him on MMM this arvo. Pretty sure he didn't even know what day it was.
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Would get concussed at least 3 times on the journey from Melbourne to Seaford.
I think they have good docs for that at Seaford. Kosi is up for his 200th this week. :whistle
Listened to him on MMM this arvo. Pretty sure he didn't even know what day it was.
Looks like it too. :cheers
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Stick with him
+1
Have seen something in both him and Asbury to give them another year at least.
6'4" plus guys dont grow on trees and take time.
Stick with him
+1
Have seen something in both him and Asbury to give them another year at least.
6'4" plus guys dont grow on trees and take time.
Except that Griffiths is 6'6".
Stick with him. They're pretty much all bean poles at his age.
We need talls.
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He's a fair lump of lad. Not really beanpole
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RFC aren't trying to get rid of him FWIW. :whistle
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Rehab leadership group :clapping
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:lol :lol he'd knock himself out trying to do that.
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played two good games in a row. Needs to keep it up.
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Coburg season is over...
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Tigers key position player Ben Griffiths, who played just one game this year, is likely to be attainable for clubs seeking tall timber.
Small forward Robbie Nahas will also be on the trade table given he was overlooked for selection for most of the year.
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martins-former-manager-ricky-nixon-advises-young-tiger-to-stay-at-richmond/story-fndv7pj3-1226721281762)
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Get something before clubs realise he's stuffing terrible. :shh
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Doubt we'd get anything worth bothering to actually trade him for.
Not worth getting a 4th round or whatever. Just give him some roids and pop him at CHF
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Batchelor too apparently
Fine Eyes :clapping
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Sydney have shown interest havent they over the years.
Mumford for Griff and throw in a draft pick???
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Sydney had interest early but I dont think they have now. I posted interest from other clubs months ago and now it seems its about to happen. Wasted talent at Richmond. Its a shame coz he had the athletic ability to be a top player.
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I could never understand how this guy was never given a shot at it in 2013.
After we give spuds like grigg, Edwards x 2, and mcguane a go surely we couldve given this a guy a game or 2 in the seniors against the bottom teams.
Ive said this numerous times we don't blood enough youngsters. Hardwick seems hell bent on aiming for a finals birth instead of looking at the bigger picture.
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Sydney had interest early but I dont think they have now. I posted interest from other clubs months ago and now it seems its about to happen. Wasted talent at Richmond. Its a shame coz he had the athletic ability to be a top player.
Saints I think maybe interested
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Will be a great addition to any rehab group.
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Will be a great addition to any rehab group.
:lol
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I cannot understand why we did't give him more senior time.
I have always felt that if we gave him as many chances as Vickery, he'd be a much better player than Vickery. Smarter and a better kick would be two attributes that he would have over Vickery.
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Will be a great addition to any rehab group.
:clapping
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Sydney had interest early but I dont think they have now. I posted interest from other clubs months ago and now it seems its about to happen. Wasted talent at Richmond. Its a shame coz he had the athletic ability to be a top player.
Saints I think maybe interested
He will be the perfect replacement for Kosi, great kid with great ability.
Suffers atleast 6 concussions a season.
No chance to make it.
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Will be a great addition to any rehab group.
:rollin :rollin I just choked on my Toasted Cheese Sambo.
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I cannot understand why we did't give him more senior time.
I have always felt that if we gave him as many chances as Vickery, he'd be a much better player than Vickery. Smarter and a better kick would be two attributes that he would have over Vickery.
no room buster
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Luke+McGuane+Richmond+v+Indigenous+Stars+Press+8TP6JfYddPjl.jpg)
2014 AA CHF lukas :shh
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I cannot understand why we did't give him more senior time.
I have always felt that if we gave him as many chances as Vickery, he'd be a much better player than Vickery. Smarter and a better kick would be two attributes that he would have over Vickery.
no room buster
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Luke+McGuane+Richmond+v+Indigenous+Stars+Press+8TP6JfYddPjl.jpg)
2014 AA CHF lukas :shh
If you think Luke will become an AA CHF, you need to see a shrink fast!!!
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Don't hurt yourself getting on and off the table Ben
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Give him one more year!
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Give him one more year!
no! :banghead
he will hinder the development of McGaune and Aaron Edwards
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I can't See McGuane developing any more than he has. He still has legs like Jennifer Hawkins.
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Give him one more year!
Agree
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Trade him. I could really go a can of coke and a mars bar right now
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would be safer becoming a umpire if he wants to be involved in football. Gone to the dogs has Griffiths. Spends more of his time worrying about lost dogs.
& just to think some of you said l was wrong ;D
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trade him to port for john butcher
someone used to rave about that guy
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trade him to port for john butcher
someone used to rave about that guy
You going to compare this 2 players. John Butcher wins all over this guy, only have to ask anyone who knows their football ;D ring up SEN & ask them live on air. they might ask you who Griffiths is :lol
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Its a shame really that Griff hasn't shown much to this point.The lad is a monster and kicks like a mule(in fact his one kick is equal to 2 for the team).he is agile and has good clean skills,unfortunately he needs a good dose of aggro...
if I remember correctly one of the magoos coaches constant themes about griff was....needs to get involved
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trade him to port for john butcher
someone used to rave about that guy
You going to compare this 2 players. John Butcher wins all over this guy, only have to ask anyone who knows their football ;D ring up SEN & ask them live on air. they might ask you who Griffiths is :lol
:fishing
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Will be a great addition to any rehab group.
hahaha!! That's good :thumbsup
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I can't See McGuane developing any more than he has. He still has legs like Jennifer Hawkins.
:lol
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Schultz and attend were no good too according to many rfx experts
Lack of heart broken bodeis
BradleyOttens
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Chappy snaffled griffs spot, don't worry he ll find a home, certainly no shame in failing to break into the RFC dream team defense in 2013 :shh... #walkupstartanywhereelse
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I can't see us getting much for him, maybe some other club wants to project player him. I can see us dropping him, pity waste of a 19th draft pick and geez I just noticed Nathan Fyfe went at 20 right after him.
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Chappy snaffled griffs spot, don't worry he ll find a home, certainly no shame in failing to break into the RFC dream team defense in 2013 :shh... #walkupstartanywhereelse
Yeah
Let's play the former top five rated draft pick, natural full forward, comparison in junior to Tony Lockett...
Only in defense
Or better yet don't play him in favor mcgaunr/Edwards/orren
:clapping
Whoops I forgot. Can't play youth. We are finals team :clapping
Even took em months to play Michael Voss aka vlastuin
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Chappy snaffled griffs spot, don't worry he ll find a home, certainly no shame in failing to break into the RFC dream team defense in 2013 :shh... #walkupstartanywhereelse
Yeah
Let's play the former top five rated draft pick, natural full forward, comparison in junior to Tony Lockett...
Only in defense
Or better yet don't play him in favor mcgaunr/Edwards/orren
:clapping
Whoops I forgot. Can't play youth. We are finals team :clapping
Even took em months to play Michael Voss aka vlastuin
Totally agree with you. Never got a decent chance up forward in the seniors. When he did in his first year he looked like he could be anything.
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Chappy snaffled griffs spot, don't worry he ll find a home, certainly no shame in failing to break into the RFC dream team defense in 2013 :shh... #walkupstartanywhereelse
Yeah
Let's play the former top five rated draft pick, natural full forward, comparison in junior to Tony Lockett...
Only in defense
Or better yet don't play him in favor mcgaunr/Edwards/orren
:clapping
Whoops I forgot. Can't play youth. We are finals team :clapping
Even took em months to play Michael Voss aka vlastuin
Totally agree with you. Never got a decent chance up forward in the seniors. When he did in his first year he looked like he could be anything.
:clapping agree
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Chappy snaffled griffs spot, don't worry he ll find a home, certainly no shame in failing to break into the RFC dream team defense in 2013 :shh... #walkupstartanywhereelse
Yeah
Let's play the former top five rated draft pick, natural full forward, comparison in junior to Tony Lockett...
Only in defense
Or better yet don't play him in favor mcgaunr/Edwards/orren
:clapping
Whoops I forgot. Can't play youth. We are finals team :clapping
Even took em months to play Michael Voss aka vlastuin
Totally agree with you. Never got a decent chance up forward in the seniors. When he did in his first year he looked like he could be anything.
:clapping agree
Couldn't agree less, showed absolutely nothing nowhere
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So you keep saying. ;)
#standbyGriffiths
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Keep ol' Chicken wings.
How's his wishbone shoulders coming along?
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Chappy snaffled griffs spot, don't worry he ll find a home, certainly no shame in failing to break into the RFC dream team defense in 2013 :shh... #walkupstartanywhereelse
Yeah
Let's play the former top five rated draft pick, natural full forward, comparison in junior to Tony Lockett...
Only in defense
Or better yet don't play him in favor mcgaunr/Edwards/orren
:clapping
Whoops I forgot. Can't play youth. We are finals team :clapping
Even took em months to play Michael Voss aka vlastuin
Totally agree with you. Never got a decent chance up forward in the seniors. When he did in his first year he looked like he could be anything.
:clapping agree
Couldn't agree less, showed absolutely nothing nowhere
Thats crap! Look at highlights of just his seventh game!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du8HM1VhpGw
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Keep ol' Chicken wings.
How's his wishbone shoulders coming along?
His shoulders are fine. I know the surgeon who fixed them. He told me they are great now.
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H played back half of vfl season at ff and would have been lucky to get a kick walking through the Bart Cummings stable...Mcbean and Elton are that far ahead it isn't funny, lucky we are blessed with gilt edged talls, we should get a sec rounder for him, bare n mind if we were as useless as st kilda he would have played 22 games, diff story trying to break into side that wins 15 :shh
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Keep ol' Chicken wings.
How's his wishbone shoulders coming along?
Aod + tb4 right to go
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Chappy snaffled griffs spot, don't worry he ll find a home, certainly no shame in failing to break into the RFC dream team defense in 2013 :shh... #walkupstartanywhereelse
Yeah
Let's play the former top five rated draft pick, natural full forward, comparison in junior to Tony Lockett...
Only in defense
Or better yet don't play him in favor mcgaunr/Edwards/orren
:clapping
Whoops I forgot. Can't play youth. We are finals team :clapping
Even took em months to play Michael Voss aka vlastuin
i sort of agree with the sentiments. but geez he couldnt vget a kick at coburg his form says he could not get a kick in a footy factory. even when playing seniors he struggled to find the ball.
as juniors you stay on a list by actually improving simply put hes shown nothing. good on the club for making the call. cant have it both ways. we growl because they hang onto players for too long. and we growl when they make a decision after 4 ys on a playuer who has not done a thing.
my only concern is hes just 22. for a 200cm player that is very young it could take another two yrs before he shows something. but that is the only concern.
well done richmond.
based on time at the club and performances the following like griffiths have to be in the gun. im not talking about strengths and weaknesses here.
astbury
batchelor
darrou
dea
derickx
edwards
elton
grigg
helbig
king
lonergan
mcguane
nahas
ohanlon
petterd
stephenson
verrier
would it really surprise anyone to see any of these p[layers delisted or offered up for trade in the hope of getting something for them. theres others i could name but wont as it will only detract from the question being asked.
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Will not be happy to lose griffindoor
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As I posted before. Look at his seventh AFL game. That is more than many of our players have shown in their career!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du8HM1VhpGw
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FFs even Tigermonk showed more in his career at Bendigo division 5 side with his 40 metre power kicks
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FFs even Tigermonk showed more in his career at Bendigo division 5 side with his 40 metre power kicks
Any youtube highlights?
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FFs even Tigermonk showed more in his career at Bendigo division 5 side with his 40 metre power kicks
Any youtube highlights?
Nah but he will tell you about it repeatedly
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Chappy snaffled griffs spot, don't worry he ll find a home, certainly no shame in failing to break into the RFC dream team defense in 2013 :shh... #walkupstartanywhereelse
Yeah
Let's play the former top five rated draft pick, natural full forward, comparison in junior to Tony Lockett...
Only in defense
Or better yet don't play him in favor mcgaunr/Edwards/orren
:clapping
Whoops I forgot. Can't play youth. We are finals team :clapping
Even took em months to play Michael Voss aka vlastuin
i sort of agree with the sentiments. but geez he couldnt vget a kick at coburg his form says he could not get a kick in a footy factory. even when playing seniors he struggled to find the ball.
as juniors you stay on a list by actually improving simply put hes shown nothing. good on the club for making the call. cant have it both ways. we growl because they hang onto players for too long. and we growl when they make a decision after 4 ys on a playuer who has not done a thing.
my only concern is hes just 22. for a 200cm player that is very young it could take another two yrs before he shows something. but that is the only concern.
well done richmond.
based on time at the club and performances the following like griffiths have to be in the gun. im not talking about strengths and weaknesses here.
astbury
batchelor
darrou
dea
derickx
edwards
elton
grigg
helbig
king
lonergan
mcguane
nahas
ohanlon
petterd
stephenson
verrier
would it really surprise anyone to see any of these p[layers delisted or offered up for trade in the hope of getting something for them. theres others i could name but wont as it will only detract from the question being asked.
I guess it depends what you really expect to get for them. Elton is a tall, shown a little in VFL and is still young (only 20). Deserved 4 years if Griff does :lol
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As I posted before. Look at his seventh AFL game. That is more than many of our players have shown in their career!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du8HM1VhpGw
That's all his ever done, had to move in to backline to take kick outs because he never got a kick after that. 3 marks in 4 years ain't good enough
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FFs even Tigermonk showed more in his career at Bendigo division 5 side with his 40 metre power kicks
Bendigo :rollin
Griffiths was always going to be struggling judging by the limited time he spent on the ground due to injury even before coming to Richmond. Injury has a huge impact on your game. Fitness, Timing, Confidence, Awareness, & Mentally. When your fighting with everyone else being a potential KPP in the team can all go against you. His had a lot of bad luck being knocked out. Some he done himself ;D But its also the fault of the staff around him to prepare him better. Its obvious he can be a AFL player as he has played just under 20 games. He may not be happy playing in the backline ? l always believed he needed to be played & kept at CHF where it would suit him & the team better. It would also give the team another game plan by going to him if needed as CHF is really not a huge part in football this days with ugly boundry line footy.
My overall thoughts is he is 21 years old. We have kept him this long. Give him another year to get him fit & body strong. Put a head guard on him & give him the chances at CHF & get his confidence back to the level he believes in himself. If his shoulders are good you will soon find out, But seriously, Its rubbish someone here saying they know the doctor who done his op & they told him he is ok. Doctors don't tell people about anyone else as it only takes 1 idiot on a public forum to bring him down :lol Griffiths may survive the cull. We have a Reserves side to build & we need all the luck we can get to push forward. For the young bloke l hope he makes it. Good Luck Griffo but the knife is razor sharp ;D
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never seen anyone perform so well so consistently as ben and not get a game ::)
FFS, Mcbean, a first year stick insect did more in one year than ben has in his whole career.
LMAO at whining he should get a game coz some bozo once claimed he was the Locket Mk 11
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never seen anyone perform so well so consistently as ben and not get a game ::)
FFS, Mcbean, a first year stick insect did more in one year than ben has in his whole career.
LMAO at whining he should get a game coz some bozo once claimed he was the Locket Mk 11
Who was it Al that's said he was going to be a Lockett MK11 :rollin
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never seen anyone perform so well so consistently as ben and not get a game ::)
FFS, Mcbean, a first year stick insect did more in one year than ben has in his whole career.
LMAO at whining he should get a game coz some bozo once claimed he was the Locket Mk 11
Who was it Al that's said he was going to be a Lockett MK11 :rollin
I can answer that. It was Shifter Sheehan. A very good judge of young players.
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1 more year.
Have heard a couple of times that we has been battling off field poo this year. Has talent.
Last chance.
Kisses, from Texas.
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Willy B :cheers
Thought you were dead dog
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Hitchin round the states, bra. Had to watch the final from a frat house in Flagstaff, Arizona.
Still furious.
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Hitchin round the states, bra. Had to watch the final from a frat house in Flagstaff, Arizona.
Still furious.
Sounds sick you animal. You could have told us, Blacky and I bumrushed the MCC to look for you and got booted. Stole some sausage rolls though and so it wasn't all bad.
Get to an NFL game or GTFO
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Hitchin round the states, bra. Had to watch the final from a frat house in Flagstaff, Arizona.
Still furious.
Get to an NFL game or GTFO
:clapping
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griffs would kick ass at nfl
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griffs would kick ass at nfl
Lots of padding
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griffs would kick ass at nfl
Lots of padding
:lol
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and little chance of contact nor having to win your own ball for a kick, as a kicker.
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Helmets too. They help with avoiding concussion.
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Has signed a 1 year deal
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Has signed a 1 year deal
did he ;D well post it up so we can all have a look
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Has signed a 1 year deal
Great. Put him at FF instead of Tyrone and watch this guy play.
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let him perform at vfl first. on performance the beanstalk is in front of him, at this point in time.
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Has signed a 1 year deal
Really hope so, don't ask why just a feeling! Gunna be tough all the same!
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Only because every other club realises he's stuffing terrible. :shh :lol
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Hitchin round the states, bra. Had to watch the final from a frat house in Flagstaff, Arizona.
Still furious.
Sounds sick you animal. You could have told us, Blacky and I bumrushed the MCC to look for you and got booted. Stole some sausage rolls though and so it wasn't all bad.
Get to an NFL game or GTFO
Haha.
I thought i told you to stay out of the MCC after you spilt what i thougt to be creamy herb mayo on my new pink Ralph Lauren during the big Dees vs Tiges clash of yesteryear???
College ball is on the cards, mon frere.
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Hitchin round the states, bra. Had to watch the final from a frat house in Flagstaff, Arizona.
Still furious.
Sounds sick you animal. You could have told us, Blacky and I bumrushed the MCC to look for you and got booted. Stole some sausage rolls though and so it wasn't all bad.
Get to an NFL game or GTFO
Haha.
I thought i told you to stay out of the MCC after you spilt what i thougt to be creamy herb mayo on my new pink Ralph Lauren, during the big Dees vs Tiges clash I yesteryear???
College ball is on the cards, mon frere.
"mon frère?"
Careful the Yanks don't hear that, you know what they think of the Frog limp?
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Key position player Ben Griffiths will also sign a one-year deal.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-will-be-welcome-back-at-richmond/story-fndv8t7m-1226724710997
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One year? Hardly a ringing endorsement. Having said that, glad he is not on the trade table anymore, I think we need to give more time.
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:clapping
#standbyGriff
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:clapping
#standbyGriff
X2
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:clapping
#standbyGriff
X2
Don't let no one desert you....
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Bit surprised to hear we signed griff, would have astbury signed first.
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Hopefully he gets a full pre-season training as a ruckman
This is his only chance of saving his career
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Big Benny G
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Bit surprised to hear we signed griff, would have astbury signed first.
The weapon is already signed.
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Bit surprised to hear we signed griff, would have astbury signed first.
The weapon is already signed.
Dean Robinson????
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GREAT!
#believeingriffithsplayingchf
x 3
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Reckon Fine Eyes has agreed to pay his wage after watching Nat Fyfe last night
Embarrassing
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Bit surprised to hear we signed griff, would have astbury signed first.
The weapon is already signed.
Dean Robinson????
:clapping
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glad signed him up. I hope he has a really good pre season to set him up for a big year
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Reckon Fine Eyes has agreed to pay his wage after watching Nat Fyfe last night
Embarrassing
:facepalm
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If only he was CHF we would have won the flag
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If only he was CHF we would have won the flag
FFS even Coach can see it :banghead
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If only he was CHF we would have won the flag
I know you are being sarcastic but in reality if Griffiths had been given the same number of chances as Vickery he'd be ahead of Vickery at the moment.
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If only he was CHF we would have won the flag
I know you are being sarcastic but in reality if Griffiths had been given the same number of chances as Vickery he'd be ahead of Vickery at the moment.
The only thing he would need to be ahead of then is the payments on his ambulance cover
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If only he was CHF we would have won the flag
I know you are being sarcastic but in reality if Griffiths had been given the same number of chances as Vickery he'd be ahead of Vickery at the moment.
The difference is in the amount of head knocks he gets & goes off to the doc.
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If only he was CHF we would have won the flag
I know you are being sarcastic but in reality if Griffiths had been given the same number of chances as Vickery he'd be ahead of Vickery at the moment.
The difference is in the amount of head knocks he gets & goes off to the doc.
True. I think he would be knocked around less in the seniors!
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If only he was CHF we would have won the flag
I know you are being sarcastic but in reality if Griffiths had been given the same number of chances as Vickery he'd be ahead of Vickery at the moment.
The only thing he would need to be ahead of then is the payments on his ambulance cover
Griffiths has a card that they punch each time he gets a ride. Every 10th one he gets a free trip to the hospital and a 6inch sub.
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True. I think he would be knocked around less in the seniors!
How many times did he see the doctor in the seniors haha ;D game is getting harder. he needs to tuffen up or chop chop no more contract after 2014
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Very good, now get him training in the forward line.
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Everyone was bagging Schultz here too!
Short memories.
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True
Most on here thought Judd and Buddy were crap
but Schulz dominated VFL so wouldn't compare him with Benny
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Everyone was bagging Schultz here too!
Short memories.
He was being coached by a bunch of idiots. Most of the players that were left have made improvement even Jackson. l said most. S.Edwards is still a softy ;D
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Everyone was bagging Schultz here too!
Short memories.
I still bag him, but mainly to stir up Coach
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Everyone was bagging Schultz here too!
Short memories.
I still bag him, but mainly to stir up Coach
Coach gets jealous when you teabag Schulz. ;D
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here i was thinking at last the club was going to make a tough decision on a chronic underperformer. before he gets to long service leave :o.
ah well the more things change the more they stay the same sometimes.
im just wondering is craig cameron still there.
whats wrong with cutting him from the list proper and placing him on the rookie list. thats about where hes at.
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He's 21 200cm you mong
You don't think its hypocritical to blow your load over the same age state league players every year and dismiss griff
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here i was thinking at last the club was going to make a tough decision on a chronic underperformer. before he gets to long service leave :o.
ah well the more things change the more they stay the same sometimes.
im just wondering is craig cameron still there.
I think he deserves one more year. He is only 22, 200cm, clean below his knees and can kick the ball 70m. He has had personal issues this year and of course the odd concussion.
I think he deserves more time than many on our list. If only he was Hardwick's lovechild like some at the club. Give him a month in the seniors in the forward half and say we will play you to see if you are good enough.
People say he is uncompetitive but in his only game this season he led the team in 1%ers which means although he got beaten by Hampson (who had a night out) he did all the other little things and showed desperation.
He possesses more football smarts than Vickery and is definitely a better kick. All he has to do is stand just off the 50m line and if someone would pass it to him, he would dob it from there.
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stuff personal issues, should stop sooking and get a kick
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He's 21 200cm you mong
and done not one thing to warrant keeping him not one.
they were looking to get something for him thru trades for a reason.
i added in my post why not delist him and then rookie him and free up a spot on the list proper. you may have missed it.
at some stage he has to stop living off the potential tag and actually show some improvement.
it would be great if he was combative and just a little competetive and showed some hunger at coburg but he cant even get a kick.
at 200cm and just 21 id love for him to give a good reason to keep him but hes failed abymally at it.
hanging onto players for inordinate amounts of time who have done little or nothing is one reason why we have wallowed outside of finals for 30 yrs.
the troble is if he has a similar yr next yr there will be people saying exactly what your saying now. you know what you earn your place it shoulkd never be constantly gifted.
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He's 21 200cm you mong
and done not one thing to warrant keeping him not one.
they were looking to get something for him thru trades for a reason.
i added in my post why not delist him and then rookie him and free up a spot on the list proper. you may have missed it.
at some stage he has to stop living off the potential tag and actually show some improvement.
it would be great if he was combative and just a little competetive and showed some hunger at coburg but he cant even get a kick.
at 200cm and just 21 id love for him to give a good reason to keep him but hes failed abymally at it.
hanging onto players for inordinate amounts of time who have done little or nothing is one reason why we have wallowed outside of finals for 30 yrs.
the troble is if he has a similar yr next yr there will be people saying exactly what your saying now. you know what you earn your place it shoulkd never be constantly gifted.
Buddy hardly got a kick at Box Hill Hawks. If you were in charge he would have been delisted from Hawthorn. Instead he became one of the most sought after players in the game.
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He's 21 200cm you mong
and done not one thing to warrant keeping him not one.
they were looking to get something for him thru trades for a reason.
i added in my post why not delist him and then rookie him and free up a spot on the list proper. you may have missed it.
at some stage he has to stop living off the potential tag and actually show some improvement.
it would be great if he was combative and just a little competetive and showed some hunger at coburg but he cant even get a kick.
at 200cm and just 21 id love for him to give a good reason to keep him but hes failed abymally at it.
hanging onto players for inordinate amounts of time who have done little or nothing is one reason why we have wallowed outside of finals for 30 yrs.
the troble is if he has a similar yr next yr there will be people saying exactly what your saying now. you know what you earn your place it shoulkd never be constantly gifted.
Saints would have taken him. ;)
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I think its 2014 or bust for griff. He needs to find some position he is good at, ruck, CHF, CHB wherever. He is big enough and his highlights reel looks great, marks, %1 but clearly people at the club aren't in love with him for one reason or another. I'd like to see him Ruck as we are pretty short of ruck backup.
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Everyone was bagging Schultz here too!
Short memories.
Everyone? I think not ;D
Everyone was bagging Schultz here too!
Short memories.
I still bag him, but mainly to stir up Coach
It doesn't work though. But me and Tony get you every time when we give Rooboy a bake
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He's 21 200cm you mong
and done not one thing to warrant keeping him not one.
they were looking to get something for him thru trades for a reason.
i added in my post why not delist him and then rookie him and free up a spot on the list proper. you may have missed it.
at some stage he has to stop living off the potential tag and actually show some improvement.
it would be great if he was combative and just a little competetive and showed some hunger at coburg but he cant even get a kick.
at 200cm and just 21 id love for him to give a good reason to keep him but hes failed abymally at it.
hanging onto players for inordinate amounts of time who have done little or nothing is one reason why we have wallowed outside of finals for 30 yrs.
the troble is if he has a similar yr next yr there will be people saying exactly what your saying now. you know what you earn your place it shoulkd never be constantly gifted.
Buddy hardly got a kick at Box Hill Hawks. If you were in charge he would have been delisted from Hawthorn. Instead he became one of the most sought after players in the game.
lol when did buddy ever spend inordinate amounts of time at box hill. the simple answer was never.
buddys first and worst yr is infinately better than anything griffiths has produced in 4yrs. franklin had every yr while developing steadily improved. it is most certainly something you cant say about griffiths so no you are pulling your pud suggesting that id want franklin cut. you are certainly putting words in my mouth and id appreciate it if you didnt.
id say having a go at me is nothing more than deflecting from the topic of griffiths and his performances and non improvement over the last 4 yrs .
get it right and stop having a go at others just because you dislike the truth, which is. griffiths has hardly done a thing in 4 yrs and his place on the list should rightly be questioned because of a total lack of improvement.
i can honestly say i have rarely ever called for a richmond players head inside of 4 yrs especially talls. griffiths has had 4yrs why is it so wrong to say hes been terrible and his place on the list should be bought into question.
i have never called for griffiths head ever not until now after his 4th yr. the only reason im prepared to call for his head is the total lack of improvement and the shocking performances he cant get a kick in the magoos.
even then ive put some consideration into his age and size and said we should rookie him rather than cut him completely.
if the club actually cut griffiths or managed to trade him out could anyone justifiably criticise em given the total lack of improvement and the terrible performances.in many ways if they could get something decent for him you would say they are crazy not to take it.
nearly every man and his dog acknowledges we need to improve on our tall players and then whinge when its suggested we do something about it by cutting/trading a non performer.
id be happy if they cut him id also not be put out if they kept him.
you go on about schulzy. we had schulz for 7 yrs and he struggled. a key forward and the most we ever got out of him was 16 goals in his 4th yr. he was regularly laconic, down right lazy and inconsistent. he gave a fair bit more in his first 4 yrs than griffiths has to date though. now that is saying something.
thing is after 7 yrs with what we got out of schulz who can blame the club for cutting him.
jay needed to be cut it was the only thing that would make him sit up take stock and work hard for his afl life. he said as much himself.
you know the real shame of schulz was we had a chance to get something decent for him and declined. then two yrs later got as good as nothing for him.
i started calling for schulzys head in 2007 his 5th yr and there is not one thing you can say that would make me think that call was unjustified then or now given the same circumstances.
i cant believe your whining about us cutting a player who gave us very little for 7 whole yrs apart from the odd cameo. the club really is on a hiding to nothing with some people. if on the rare occasion we do cut underperformers we shouldnt. if we hang onto them we shouldnt. its unbelievable.
i know one thing for sure, hanging onto unskilled or underperforming players for inordinate amounts of time has killed this club for 30 yrs. id rather see us regularly turn over players and risk losing the odd decent one than do what we have done for 30 yrs.
you know
i have rarely called for one of our players heads inside of 4 yrs for sure i have been critical highly critical at times. theres a difference.
i have rarely called for players under 22 to be cut especially talls.and most certainly not players with good attributes to play afl.
i have /never called for a young players head who has shown steady improvement with good skills and good pyhsical attribures.
i have rarely called for players heads who have good skills and good physical attributes to play afl inside of 4 yrs. ben griffiths is one. after 4yrs do you really need to ask why.at what stage do you expect young players to show improvement any improvement.
... accusing me of calling for player heads too quickly. i have some pretty decent criteria and it has served me well..
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how has it served you well?..do tell
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Claw, if you called for him to be cut in 07 when he was 22 you would have looked quite silly in 2008 when Schulz had a very decent season in the backline. Then the club looked quite silly in 2009 when they left him out in favour of duds. Then all who bagged him have looked like absolute muppets since he went to Port. He's a stand up guy so takes all the blame. He should take some but he also got treated like garbage for a long time. Probably one of the most poorly coached players in history
The kid was never lazy. You've made that call and I doubt you saw him play live. Richo even defended his work rate at Richmond when he was commentating a Port game during finals
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He's 21 200cm you mong
and done not one thing to warrant keeping him not one.
they were looking to get something for him thru trades for a reason.
i added in my post why not delist him and then rookie him and free up a spot on the list proper. you may have missed it.
at some stage he has to stop living off the potential tag and actually show some improvement.
it would be great if he was combative and just a little competetive and showed some hunger at coburg but he cant even get a kick.
at 200cm and just 21 id love for him to give a good reason to keep him but hes failed abymally at it.
hanging onto players for inordinate amounts of time who have done little or nothing is one reason why we have wallowed outside of finals for 30 yrs.
the troble is if he has a similar yr next yr there will be people saying exactly what your saying now. you know what you earn your place it shoulkd never be constantly gifted.
Buddy hardly got a kick at Box Hill Hawks. If you were in charge he would have been delisted from Hawthorn. Instead he became one of the most sought after players in the game.
lol when did buddy ever spend inordinate amounts of time at box hill. the simple answer was never.
buddys first and worst yr is infinately better than anything griffiths has produced in 4yrs. franklin had every yr while developing steadily improved. it is most certainly something you cant say about griffiths so no you are pulling your pud suggesting that id want franklin cut. you are certainly putting words in my mouth and id appreciate it if you didnt.
id say having a go at me is nothing more than deflecting from the topic of griffiths and his performances and non improvement over the last 4 yrs .
get it right and stop having a go at others just because you dislike the truth, which is. griffiths has hardly done a thing in 4 yrs and his place on the list should rightly be questioned because of a total lack of improvement.
i can honestly say i have rarely ever called for a richmond players head inside of 4 yrs especially talls. griffiths has had 4yrs why is it so wrong to say hes been terrible and his place on the list should be bought into question.
i have never called for griffiths head ever not until now after his 4th yr. the only reason im prepared to call for his head is the total lack of improvement and the shocking performances he cant get a kick in the magoos.
even then ive put some consideration into his age and size and said we should rookie him rather than cut him completely.
if the club actually cut griffiths or managed to trade him out could anyone justifiably criticise em given the total lack of improvement and the terrible performances.in many ways if they could get something decent for him you would say they are crazy not to take it.
nearly every man and his dog acknowledges we need to improve on our tall players and then whinge when its suggested we do something about it by cutting/trading a non performer.
id be happy if they cut him id also not be put out if they kept him.
you go on about schulzy. we had schulz for 7 yrs and he struggled. a key forward and the most we ever got out of him was 16 goals in his 4th yr. he was regularly laconic, down right lazy and inconsistent. he gave a fair bit more in his first 4 yrs than griffiths has to date though. now that is saying something.
thing is after 7 yrs with what we got out of schulz who can blame the club for cutting him.
jay needed to be cut it was the only thing that would make him sit up take stock and work hard for his afl life. he said as much himself.
you know the real shame of schulz was we had a chance to get something decent for him and declined. then two yrs later got as good as nothing for him.
i started calling for schulzys head in 2007 his 5th yr and there is not one thing you can say that would make me think that call was unjustified then or now given the same circumstances.
i cant believe your whining about us cutting a player who gave us very little for 7 whole yrs apart from the odd cameo. the club really is on a hiding to nothing with some people. if on the rare occasion we do cut underperformers we shouldnt. if we hang onto them we shouldnt. its unbelievable.
i know one thing for sure, hanging onto unskilled or underperforming players for inordinate amounts of time has killed this club for 30 yrs. id rather see us regularly turn over players and risk losing the odd decent one than do what we have done for 30 yrs.
you know
i have rarely called for one of our players heads inside of 4 yrs for sure i have been critical highly critical at times. theres a difference.
i have rarely called for players under 22 to be cut especially talls.and most certainly not players with good attributes to play afl.
i have /never called for a young players head who has shown steady improvement with good skills and good pyhsical attribures.
i have rarely called for players heads who have good skills and good physical attributes to play afl inside of 4 yrs. ben griffiths is one. after 4yrs do you really need to ask why.at what stage do you expect young players to show improvement any improvement.
... accusing me of calling for player heads too quickly. i have some pretty decent criteria and it has served me well..
You're just a rude man who has an over inflated opinion of yourself! Shame on you!
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:lol
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*sigh* The more things stay the same the more they stay the same.
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I think RFC tried to gauge any trade interest in BG and when there wasn't any decided to keep him.
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I think RFC tried to gauge any trade interest in BG and when there wasn't any decided to keep him.
Around these parts if you have an opinion you don't say "i think" you say "my mail is". Please fix this in the future
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:lol
My mail is that's funny.
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:lol
My mail is that's funny.
Mail is I laughed at your post
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I think RFC tried to gauge any trade interest in BG and when there wasn't any decided to keep him.
Around these parts if you have an opinion you don't say "i think" you say "my mail is". Please fix this in the future
Thanks for the heads up. How about "my spies tell me....."
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I think RFC tried to gauge any trade interest in BG and when there wasn't any decided to keep him.
Around these parts if you have an opinion you don't say "i think" you say "my mail is". Please fix this in the future
Thanks for the heads up. How about "my spies tell me....."
Hey, hey, hey, don't be coming on here changing the way we do business. Some of the folks on here are very set in their ways and to introduce new terminology or processes would be tantamount to cruelty. You need to relax, do your time, watch how the older heads go about their business and then in about 10 years you MIGHT think about MAYBE suggesting just the most subtle of incremental change. At that point it might take the mods another year or 3 to consider and approve the change but you get the picture.
;D
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I think RFC tried to gauge any trade interest in BG and when there wasn't any decided to keep him.
Around these parts if you have an opinion you don't say "i think" you say "my mail is". Please fix this in the future
Thanks for the heads up. How about "my spies tell me....."
Hey, hey, hey, don't be coming on here changing the way we do business. Some of the folks on here are very set in their ways and to introduce new terminology or processes would be tantamount to cruelty. You need to relax, do your time, watch how the older heads go about their business and then in about 10 years you MIGHT think about MAYBE suggesting just the most subtle of incremental change. At that point it might take the mods another year or 3 to consider and approve the change but you get the picture.
;D
Ok, my mail is you're right. Thanks.
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:thumbsup
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I'm glad Griffo has been given another chance but I don't see what role he can take in the team? He is really just a back up in case someone gets injured, right?
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Yes
Mcgaune '14. AA. CHF :cheers
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Ben Griffiths in focus
richmondfc.com.au
October 25, 2013
Tim Clarke says: He’s going to have to find something going forward because he offers too much for the output that he provided this year.
I expect a big pre-season and a big year from Ben in 2014.
You look at the guy and you think he can play anywhere, but we need him as a forward.
He can kick the ball well, he can get space on his defender opponent, so I think it’s super-important he locks down the role.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-25/ben-griffiths-in-focus
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Shifter said he could be the next Plugger.
He not only has to extract a digit, but his entire fist! :pray
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Shifter said he could be the next Plugger.
He not only has to extract a digit, but his entire fist! :pray
Didn't plugger kick goals though ?
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Ben Griffiths in focus
richmondfc.com.au
October 25, 2013
Tim Clarke says: He’s going to have to find something going forward because he offers too much for the output that he provided this year.
I expect a big pre-season and a big year from Ben in 2014.
You look at the guy and you think he can play anywhere, but we need him as a forward.
He can kick the ball well, he can get space on his defender opponent, so I think it’s super-important he locks down the role.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-25/ben-griffiths-in-focus
About stuffing time....put him there, leave him there!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shifter said he could be the next Plugger.
He not only has to extract a digit, but his entire fist! :pray
Didn't plugger kick goals though ?
Details, details, details. .... ;D
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Shifter said he could be the next Plugger.
He not only has to extract a digit, but his entire fist! :pray
Didn't plugger kick goals though ?
Not from fb
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Shifter said he could be the next Plugger.
He not only has to extract a digit, but his entire fist! :pray
Didn't plugger kick goals though ?
Not from fb
Plugger didn't leave his team with 17 on the field when he played in the forward line though
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can we read anything in the comment "we need him as a forward?(as opposed to want him as a forward."
if this is not an off the cuff remark, but a deliberate choice of words, then that seems more as a reflection of our structure rather than the individual. Where does that leave our forward structure?
do they expect maric to break down permanently and vickery to take on more ruck duties?
what plans do they have for mcbean?
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Perhaps it is clear to not just me *m- the Aaron Edwards / mcgaune third forward structure is inadequate
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I don't think its a case of putting Griff up forward and leaving him there.he needs to show a desire to get involved.Thats his one big downside as far as I am concerned.
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I don't think its a case of putting Griff up forward and leaving him there.
??
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Isn't that what many posters over a long period of time have suggested..put him up forward and leave him there?
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Shifter said he could be the next Plugger.
He not only has to extract a digit, but his entire fist! :pray
Didn't plugger kick goals though ?
didnt plugger play in the forward line.
hilarious they want him to be a forward but play him in defense.
i always chuckle when our supporters mention richmond and development in the same sentence.
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Shifter said he could be the next Plugger.
He not only has to extract a digit, but his entire fist! :pray
Didn't plugger kick goals though ?
Not from fb
Plugger didn't leave his team with 17 on the field when he played in the forward line though
No but he left plenty of other teams one short ;D
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why do you chuckle?
Are you trying to say there is no development happening at Richmond?
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He did that consistantly Y&B..lol
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Perhaps it is clear to not just me *m- the Aaron Edwards / mcgaune third forward structure is inadequate
dont go half way the second tall and third tall set up has been inadequate.
aaron edwards is a medium sized player and should play as such.
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Shifter said he could be the next Plugger.
He not only has to extract a digit, but his entire fist! :pray
Didn't plugger kick goals though ?
Not from fb
Plugger didn't leave his team with 17 on the field when he played in the forward line though
No but he left plenty of other teams one short ;D
I would even take that as a sign from Big Benny G if he could manage that at least he would show some mongrel
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why do you chuckle?
Are you trying to say there is no development happening at Richmond?
thats a good question especially when it comes to talls we have taken in the nd. perhaps its good material for a thread on the subject.
id say with talls our so called development has been poor.
go back 10 yrs and ask which young talls we have taken have become very good consistent players.
morrison, archibald - none left
weller, moore - none left
pattison, mcguane, limbach, - none left as mcguane is gone. mcg played 100 games that were mostly poor and leaves with exactly the same flaws he started with.
thursfield, hughes - none left.
riewoldt. - hooray one.
rance, putt.graham. - just one left and he has his knockers.
gourdis, vickery, post. - one left and has failed as a ruckman and has his knockers.
griffiths, astbury, browne. two left bth have done little to date.
grimes, derickx. - grimes has stagnated and derickx is gone i think.
elton - too early to say has good and poor attributes
mcintosh, mcbean. - see elton.
thats the young tall players we have taken in the last 10 yrs im asking what development.
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so claw ..you are prepared to wipe vickery off as a ruck option ?
Grimes hasn't stagnated for crying out loud he has been injured.
Rance has knockers ,but surely his good points far outweigh his bad,and you have to acknowledge the great strides he has made in ironing out those "Alex Rance moments" as Dimma put them.
I would hardly say mc bean has poor attributes at this stage more underdeveloped attributes.
Since you seem to be going back a few years then surely you must mention the great development that took place in players such as Richo, Benny Gale,Brad Ottens(until he was traded)
And surely k moore was culled by imjury rather than being a poor footballer
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Maybe if Rance and Vickery both had a double masectomy in the off season it would transform their careers.
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why do you chuckle?
Are you trying to say there is no development happening at Richmond?
thats a good question especially when it comes to talls we have taken in the nd. perhaps its good material for a thread on the subject.
id say with talls our so called development has been poor.
go back 10 yrs and ask which young talls we have taken have become very good consistent players.
morrison, archibald - none left
weller, moore - none left
pattison, mcguane, limbach, - none left as mcguane is gone. mcg played 100 games that were mostly poor and leaves with exactly the same flaws he started with.
thursfield, hughes - none left.
riewoldt. - hooray one.
rance, putt.graham. - just one left and he has his knockers.
gourdis, vickery, post. - one left and has failed as a ruckman and has his knockers.
griffiths, astbury, browne. two left bth have done little to date.
grimes, derickx. - grimes has stagnated and derickx is gone i think.
elton - too early to say has good and poor attributes
mcintosh, mcbean. - see elton.
thats the young tall players we have taken in the last 10 yrs im asking what development.
Would be interesting to compare our track record with other clubs. At a guess I'd say we wouldn't be worse than most and better than some.
We all know quality talls are a dime a dozen and certainties when taken with early picks ::) ;D ;D
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why do you chuckle?
Are you trying to say there is no development happening at Richmond?
thats a good question especially when it comes to talls we have taken in the nd. perhaps its good material for a thread on the subject.
id say with talls our so called development has been poor.
go back 10 yrs and ask which young talls we have taken have become very good consistent players.
morrison, archibald - none left
weller, moore - none left
pattison, mcguane, limbach, - none left as mcguane is gone. mcg played 100 games that were mostly poor and leaves with exactly the same flaws he started with.
thursfield, hughes - none left.
riewoldt. - hooray one.
rance, putt.graham. - just one left and he has his knockers.
gourdis, vickery, post. - one left and has failed as a ruckman and has his knockers.
griffiths, astbury, browne. two left bth have done little to date.
grimes, derickx. - grimes has stagnated and derickx is gone i think.
elton - too early to say has good and poor attributes
mcintosh, mcbean. - see elton.
thats the young tall players we have taken in the last 10 yrs im asking what development.
Would be interesting to compare our track record with other clubs. At a guess I'd say we wouldn't be worse than most and better than some.
We all know quality talls are a dime a dozen and certainties when taken with early picks ::) ;D ;D
Case in point being Geelong, what quality talls have they developed in the last ten years
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ottens ;D
f / s top 5 pick the got free
pods
;D
the had balls to draft Egan
you dont needs great talls when you have Bartel-Selwood-Corey-Kelly... good signs for richmond?
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Isn't that what many posters over a long period of time have suggested..put him up forward and leave him there?
The problem is that he does get to play there. He does nothing so they put him down back so a decent player can lead him to the footy. But the problem with that is that the decent player beats him every time. So I guess the problem is... apart from being able to kick 70m, Griffiths (so far) has shown he is a fairly poo player.
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Isn't that what many posters over a long period of time have suggested..put him up forward and leave him there?
The problem is that he does get to play there. He does nothing so they put him down back so a decent player can lead him to the footy. But the problem with that is that the decent player beats him every time. So I guess the problem is that apart from being able to kick 70m, Griffiths (so far) has shown he is a fairly poo player.
Post of the month :clapping
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At the risk of sounding like Robert Walls - chuck him the ruck where he'll have no choice but to be aggressive and if that doesn't put hairs on his chest, nothing will.
I also didn't mind the idea of trying him down back for development, but it should've just been for a quarter a game. It's not as if results were ever important at Coburg, and they won't be in the first few years of the stand alone side either.
Personally though, I think we should've traded him this year while KPF's are at a premium - suspect we may have got overs.
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Isn't that what many posters over a long period of time have suggested..put him up forward and leave him there?
The problem is that he does get to play there. He does nothing so they put him down back so a decent player can lead him to the footy. But the problem with that is that the decent player beats him every time. So I guess the problem is... apart from being able to kick 70m, Griffiths (so far) has shown he is a fairly poo player.
:clapping
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so claw ..you are prepared to wipe vickery off as a ruck option ?
Grimes hasn't stagnated for crying out loud he has been injured.
Rance has knockers ,but surely his good points far outweigh his bad,and you have to acknowledge the great strides he has made in ironing out those "Alex Rance moments" as Dimma put them.
I would hardly say mc bean has poor attributes at this stage more underdeveloped attributes.
Since you seem to be going back a few years then surely you must mention the great development that took place in players such as Richo, Benny Gale,Brad Ottens(until he was traded)
And surely k moore was culled by imjury rather than being a poor footballer
id say the club has wiped vickery of as a ruck option as well. we just gave up pick 28 on hampson. if they had faith in vickery they would back him in. 24yr old 70 odd games should really be hitting his straps as a ruckman around about now. he should at least be able to give ADEQUATE COVER to ivan. yet all we get is well i wont say it. hamson actually has a better record than vickery in the role.
vickery and the word development. well he has not developed as a ruckman. lets hope he makes it as a forward.
imo grimes has stagnated and yes hes had some injuries which may or may not explain why he has not come on. i still think the only way he will make it as a good consistent player is as a tall running defender. the game has progressed beyond third up defenders who do little more than spoil.
rance will continue to have his knockers for as long as he regularly does what he does. sick of naming his weaknesses and the inevitable barrage of abuse that follows. lets just say some rate him some dont.those that do are mainly tiger supporters.
the club list is in desperate need of a young quality kpd that looks like he will make it.atm if chaplain goes down we are up the creek without a paddle.
mcbean well ive been told on this site a few times now he doesnt take overhead marks when ive called for him to get a game.. people cant have it both ways , hes either the next big thing or he does indeed have weaknesses atm at least, and as such he will have to be developed.
the club has said they drafted him as a long term ruckman i just dont see it at this stage. im happy to just say its too early to say on him. hes 202 and 86kg it will take probably 3 yrs before he gets to the stage where he can hold down a kp or compete properly in the ruck.
finally i went back 10 yrs, gale was drafted in 87, richo was drafted early 90s, and ottens in 97. how far back do you go. these three are probably the only decent tall players we got to the club as kids and thru the nd since the start of nd in 1986 up to 2002.
kelvin moore i mentioned and he couldnt even gain weight yet alone be developed properly. what a joke 190cm 85kg bloke regularly asked to play kpd. he did play some decent footy at times but he was also inconsistent injured and poor a lot of the time as well.
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Riddle me this Claw: if we can't develop players, which is essentially what you have said in your last tree posts, then how do you explain our steady rise up the ladder under Hardwick? It can't be our recruiting because you think that's been poor too. So what's it been? Luck?
Three years improvement for RFC tells me that you have real problems 'developing' accurate opinions. You might want to think about an overhaul of your opinion development processes.
Oh boy! Already having a go at Bean and saying Grimes has 'plateaued' when he has been out injured for the best part of two years. :lol You're a hoot!
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i always chuckle when our supporters mention richmond and development in the same sentence.
Someone get this guy a job at an afl club!
He is that good!!
:bow
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mcbean well ive been told on this site a few times now he doesnt take overhead marks when ive called for him to get a game.. people cant have it both ways , hes either the next big thing or he does indeed have weaknesses atm at least, and as such he will have to be developed.
Buddy can't mark either, McBean seems good on a lead though and great at ground level.
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Interesting if true ...
Chocco has a new project this preseason. Working very very closely with him on and off field.
Ben Griffiths.
https://twitter.com/TigerlandTone
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Interesting if true ...
Chocco has a new project this preseason. Working very very closely with him on and off field.
Ben Griffiths.
https://twitter.com/TigerlandTone
Very nice Choco....very nice!!!! :clapping
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Is Chocco a qualified surgeon? Because he'd need to perform a heart transplant operation.
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Is Chocco a qualified surgeon? Because he'd need to perform a heart transplant operation.
He has an injectable form of courage he sources from shady sources!
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Is Chocco a qualified surgeon? Because he'd need to perform a heart transplant operation.
He has an injectable form of courage he sources from shady sources!
Are they sourcing from the Dark and Dank corners of the globe? :shh
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Is Chocco a qualified surgeon? Because he'd need to perform a heart transplant operation.
He has an injectable form of courage he sources from shady sources!
Gee, that must make him some sort of weapon!
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charlie chaplins everywhere
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Giff has extreme courage - how do you think he gets those shoulder injuries, not from typing on the computer is my guess.
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From putting on his guernsey.
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I heard in the off-season he's has Mr Mister's song "Broken wings" on high rotation in his iPod so he can learn to fly again.
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I heard in the off-season he's has Mr Mister's song "Broken wings" on high rotation in his iPod so he can learn to fly again.
I think Beck's ' Paper Tiger ' might be getting a run on the old ipod too.
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Funniest thing l read in weeks :lol
Ride him Chocco but be careful he breaks easy lol. :santa
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Make him do some ruck work even if it's only at training, at least then he'll have no choice but to learn to impose himself on a contest. It almost worked with Post but we didn't persist with it.
Then again, it didn't work with Angus Graham.
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Riddle me this Claw: if we can't develop players, which is essentially what you have said in your last tree posts, then how do you explain our steady rise up the ladder under Hardwick? It can't be our recruiting because you think that's been poor too. So what's it been? Luck?
Three years improvement for RFC tells me that you have real problems 'developing' accurate opinions. You might want to think about an overhaul of your opinion development processes.
Oh boy! Already having a go at Bean and saying Grimes has 'plateaued' when he has been out injured for the best part of two years. :lol You're a hoot!
so what young players on our list have developed as we would wish.
arnot - 2011 - a sml mid has he developed adequately. 50/50 chance to be cut.
astbury - 2009. yep had injury but if he has a poor yr in 2014 theres every likely hood he will be cut. good chance to be cut still.
batchelor - 2010, bloody hell if anything hes gone backwards. he has deficiencies that will see him struggle. but its only my opinion. 50/50 chance to be cut imo.
chaplain - 2003/2012 certainly looks exactly the same player he was at port to me.
conca - pick 6 2010 3 yrs in where exactly do you expect these so called top echelon players to be at.
cotchin - pick 2 hes where he should be at for such a talented player. lets talk development with him though. if he has a weakness its really been his kicking have we improved that area.
darrou 2012 - well no high hopes here hes a rookie pick and hes managed to get a 3rd yr as a rookie. im asking though how have we developed him. needs to step up or hes gone.
dea - 2009 will concede he was a bit of a long term development. but after 4 yrs exactly what brilliant development have we put into him. hes on thin ice.
derickx - spent 3 yrs with us and did what. where was the development.
a edwards - 2013 29yo same player with us he was at north.
s edwards. - 2006 jeezuz hes given probably 2 seasons at the utmost of decent footy the same problems return to bite us every time.
ellis - 2011 - sml player who has progressed okay. a solidly built 1st rounder who was going to play early. is his development any better than any other clubs? or is it nothing more than where it should be .
elton - 2011. a kppwho should take time. but where is he at what edevelopment has there been to even suggest its worth mentioning.
griffiths - 2009 well again a pick 19 and hes done exactly what.
grigg - 2007/2010 a mature recruit. hes exactly the same player with us as he was with carlton.
grimes - 2010 really what development. yeah hes had more than his fair share of injuries which doesnt help. but where has this one dimensional skinny tall defender developed.
helbig - 2010 another whos had injury. despite the injury his development has been that good hes lucky to still bo on the list.
houli - 2006/ 2011psd. please tell me what deficiencies have improved since hes been at richmond. hes almost the exact same player we got from essendon.
jackson 2003 geez a player who has taken 10 yrs to learn to play within his limitations and even then we ask will he revet back to normal.
king 2007 mature recruit who is still the same player he was when we got him what weaknesses has he overcome.
knights - 2004/2012 played good footy at the crows but injuries kept on hitting. same at richmond. what development can we claim.
maric - 2004/2011 we got him as a 26yo he was devolped. he just needed opportunity.
martin - 2009 pick 3 ready to go player who straight away played at a good standard. he is slowly developing his game and overcoming his weaknesses. development or just raw talent.
mcbean - 2012 well we will see how he develops and what he turns into. bit rich to claim we have developed anything.
mcdonough - 2012 see mcbean.
mcintosh - see mcbean.
morris - 2011 24yo ready to go recruit. we all love and his attack on the ball him but to claim development he needs to improve some basic areas of his game.he does have his knockers.
nahas - 2009 yep in his 5 yrs he really developed didnt he not. those basics that we talk about with so many on our list just came back and bit us. development pppffft.
ohanlon - 2012 psd hes done what to date . what development has occured to suggest hes improved enough to even be kept.
vickery - well again what development 6 yrs in and hes developed into what exactly. not a ruckman thats for sure.
cmon i cant be bothered going on it seems to me the only players that have really improved in the main and thus developed are the first rounders we have taken. is that development or just an indicator of the talent they have and where we took em.
cmon show me players outside of those first rounders and ready to go mature recruits who have truly developed and improved.
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Agree in the main claw,
but the ones that have improved Houli, Maric, Grigg as well as Jackson and some others you've put excuses down for why the club shouldn't get credit.
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Riddle me this Claw: if we can't develop players, which is essentially what you have said in your last tree posts, then how do you explain our steady rise up the ladder under Hardwick? It can't be our recruiting because you think that's been poor too. So what's it been? Luck?
Three years improvement for RFC tells me that you have real problems 'developing' accurate opinions. You might want to think about an overhaul of your opinion development processes.
Oh boy! Already having a go at Bean and saying Grimes has 'plateaued' when he has been out injured for the best part of two years. :lol You're a hoot!
so what young players on our list have developed as we would wish.
arnot - 2011 - a sml mid has he developed adequately. 50/50 chance to be cut.
astbury - 2009. yep had injury but if he has a poor yr in 2014 theres every likely hood he will be cut. good chance to be cut still.
batchelor - 2010, bloody hell if anything hes gone backwards. he has deficiencies that will see him struggle. but its only my opinion. 50/50 chance to be cut imo.
chaplain - 2003/2012 certainly looks exactly the same player he was at port to me.
conca - pick 6 2010 3 yrs in where exactly do you expect these so called top echelon players to be at.
cotchin - pick 2 hes where he should be at for such a talented player. lets talk development with him though. if he has a weakness its really been his kicking have we improved that area.
darrou 2012 - well no high hopes here hes a rookie pick and hes managed to get a 3rd yr as a rookie. im asking though how have we developed him. needs to step up or hes gone.
dea - 2009 will concede he was a bit of a long term development. but after 4 yrs exactly what :gotigerso brilliant development have we put into him. hes on thin ice.
derickx - spent 3 yrs with us and did what. where was the development.
a edwards - 2013 29yo same player with us he was at north.
s edwards. - 2006 jeezuz hes given probably 2 seasons at the utmost of decent footy the same problems return to bite us every time.
ellis - 2011 - sml player who has progressed okay. a solidly built 1st rounder who was going to play early. is his development any better than any other clubs? or is it nothing more than where it should be .
elton - 2011. a kppwho should take time. but where is he at what edevelopment has there been to even suggest its worth mentioning.
griffiths - 2009 well again a pick 19 and hes done exactly what.
grigg - 2007/2010 a mature recruit. hes exactly the same player with us as he was with carlton.
grimes - 2010 really what development. yeah hes had more than his fair share of injuries which doesnt help. but where has this one dimensional skinny tall defender developed.
helbig - 2010 another whos had injury. despite the injury his development has been that good hes lucky to still bo on the list.
houli - 2006/ 2011psd. please tell me what deficiencies have improved since hes been at richmond. hes almost the exact same player we got from essendon.
jackson 2003 geez a player who has taken 10 yrs to learn to play within his limitations and even then we ask will he revet back to normal.
king 2007 mature recruit who is still the same player he was when we got him what weaknesses has he overcome.
knights - 2004/2012 played good footy at the crows but injuries kept on hitting. same at richmond. what development can we claim.
maric - 2004/2011 we got him as a 26yo he was devolped. he just needed opportunity.
martin - 2009 pick 3 ready to go player who straight away played at a good standard. he is slowly developing his game and overcoming his weaknesses. development or just raw talent.
mcbean - 2012 well we will see how he develops and what he turns into. bit rich to claim we have developed anything.
mcdonough - 2012 see mcbean.
mcintosh - see mcbean.
morris - 2011 24yo ready to go recruit. we all love and his attack on the ball him but to claim development he needs to improve some basic areas of his game.he does have his knockers.
nahas - 2009 yep in his 5 yrs he really developed didnt he not. those basics that we talk about with so many on our list just came back and bit us. development pppffft.
ohanlon - 2012 psd hes done what to date . what development has occured to suggest hes improved enough to even be kept.
vickery - well again what development 6 yrs in and hes developed into what exactly. not a ruckman thats for sure.
cmon i cant be bothered going on it seems to me the only players that have really improved in the main and thus developed are the first rounders we have taken. is that development or just an indicator of the talent they have and where we took em.
cmon show me players outside of those first rounders and ready to go mature recruits who have truly developed and improved.
The club hasn't been in a position to develop players and this has been duly recognized. Benny is now putting in place new structures to deal with this problem. The stand alone VFL team and more coaching are good examples.
We have been down the bottom for 32 years for many reasons. Player development is one of the main ones.
So far we have:
1. Redeveloped the training facilities at PRO
2. Resurfaced the ground.
3. Hired new fitness staff
4. Hired many new assistant coaches including Mark Williams
5. Hired an experienced recruiting officer that worked with one of the best for many years.
6. Created a standalone reserves team
Now this means the club is doing everything it possibly can to fast track success.
What else claw? Now that they have got their finances under control, don't you think they are making strides in the right direction?
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Didn't I see an article suggesting we had improved our recruiting out of sight recently
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Riddle me this Claw: if we can't develop players, which is essentially what you have said in your last tree posts, then how do you explain our steady rise up the ladder under Hardwick? It can't be our recruiting because you think that's been poor too. So what's it been? Luck?
Three years improvement for RFC tells me that you have real problems 'developing' accurate opinions. You might want to think about an overhaul of your opinion development processes.
Oh boy! Already having a go at Bean and saying Grimes has 'plateaued' when he has been out injured for the best part of two years. :lol You're a hoot!
so what young players on our list have developed as we would wish.
arnot - 2011 - a sml mid has he developed adequately. 50/50 chance to be cut.
astbury - 2009. yep had injury but if he has a poor yr in 2014 theres every likely hood he will be cut. good chance to be cut still.
batchelor - 2010, bloody hell if anything hes gone backwards. he has deficiencies that will see him struggle. but its only my opinion. 50/50 chance to be cut imo.
chaplain - 2003/2012 certainly looks exactly the same player he was at port to me.
conca - pick 6 2010 3 yrs in where exactly do you expect these so called top echelon players to be at.
cotchin - pick 2 hes where he should be at for such a talented player. lets talk development with him though. if he has a weakness its really been his kicking have we improved that area.
darrou 2012 - well no high hopes here hes a rookie pick and hes managed to get a 3rd yr as a rookie. im asking though how have we developed him. needs to step up or hes gone.
dea - 2009 will concede he was a bit of a long term development. but after 4 yrs exactly what brilliant development have we put into him. hes on thin ice.
derickx - spent 3 yrs with us and did what. where was the development.
a edwards - 2013 29yo same player with us he was at north.
s edwards. - 2006 jeezuz hes given probably 2 seasons at the utmost of decent footy the same problems return to bite us every time.
ellis - 2011 - sml player who has progressed okay. a solidly built 1st rounder who was going to play early. is his development any better than any other clubs? or is it nothing more than where it should be .
elton - 2011. a kppwho should take time. but where is he at what edevelopment has there been to even suggest its worth mentioning.
griffiths - 2009 well again a pick 19 and hes done exactly what.
grigg - 2007/2010 a mature recruit. hes exactly the same player with us as he was with carlton.
grimes - 2010 really what development. yeah hes had more than his fair share of injuries which doesnt help. but where has this one dimensional skinny tall defender developed.
helbig - 2010 another whos had injury. despite the injury his development has been that good hes lucky to still bo on the list.
houli - 2006/ 2011psd. please tell me what deficiencies have improved since hes been at richmond. hes almost the exact same player we got from essendon.
jackson 2003 geez a player who has taken 10 yrs to learn to play within his limitations and even then we ask will he revet back to normal.
king 2007 mature recruit who is still the same player he was when we got him what weaknesses has he overcome.
knights - 2004/2012 played good footy at the crows but injuries kept on hitting. same at richmond. what development can we claim.
maric - 2004/2011 we got him as a 26yo he was devolped. he just needed opportunity.
martin - 2009 pick 3 ready to go player who straight away played at a good standard. he is slowly developing his game and overcoming his weaknesses. development or just raw talent.
mcbean - 2012 well we will see how he develops and what he turns into. bit rich to claim we have developed anything.
mcdonough - 2012 see mcbean.
mcintosh - see mcbean.
morris - 2011 24yo ready to go recruit. we all love and his attack on the ball him but to claim development he needs to improve some basic areas of his game.he does have his knockers.
nahas - 2009 yep in his 5 yrs he really developed didnt he not. those basics that we talk about with so many on our list just came back and bit us. development pppffft.
ohanlon - 2012 psd hes done what to date . what development has occured to suggest hes improved enough to even be kept.
vickery - well again what development 6 yrs in and hes developed into what exactly. not a ruckman thats for sure.
cmon i cant be bothered going on it seems to me the only players that have really improved in the main and thus developed are the first rounders we have taken. is that development or just an indicator of the talent they have and where we took em.
cmon show me players outside of those first rounders and ready to go mature recruits who have truly developed and improved.
ok you win
we haven't developed a single player.
Seriously claw, you take a point that a fair few people (me included) by and large agree with you on and then stretch it to ridiculous proportions. Give it a rest pal
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king 2007 mature recruit who is still the same player he was when we got him what weaknesses has he overcome.
Bit harsh on King, he has gone from Tim Fleming mk2 to a handy little player.
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Kingy has improved 10 fold since he arrived at the club...sad to see people not appreciating this.
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Kingy is my hero. he goes straight at the contest. He gives & he takes punches & crunches. Kicks goals & defends the inside 50. Gives 100% & he don't cringe to the media & he don't kiss the bosses ass. Wish a few others like Shane Edwards, Foley, Griffiths would learn something.
scrap what l said about Edwards & Foley. you cant teach Stupid :santa
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Riddle me this Claw: if we can't develop players, which is essentially what you have said in your last tree posts, then how do you explain our steady rise up the ladder under Hardwick? It can't be our recruiting because you think that's been poor too. So what's it been? Luck?
Three years improvement for RFC tells me that you have real problems 'developing' accurate opinions. You might want to think about an overhaul of your opinion development processes.
Oh boy! Already having a go at Bean and saying Grimes has 'plateaued' when he has been out injured for the best part of two years. :lol You're a hoot!
so what young players on our list have developed as we would wish.
arnot - 2011 - a sml mid has he developed adequately. 50/50 chance to be cut.
astbury - 2009. yep had injury but if he has a poor yr in 2014 theres every likely hood he will be cut. good chance to be cut still.
batchelor - 2010, bloody hell if anything hes gone backwards. he has deficiencies that will see him struggle. but its only my opinion. 50/50 chance to be cut imo.
chaplain - 2003/2012 certainly looks exactly the same player he was at port to me.
conca - pick 6 2010 3 yrs in where exactly do you expect these so called top echelon players to be at.
cotchin - pick 2 hes where he should be at for such a talented player. lets talk development with him though. if he has a weakness its really been his kicking have we improved that area.
darrou 2012 - well no high hopes here hes a rookie pick and hes managed to get a 3rd yr as a rookie. im asking though how have we developed him. needs to step up or hes gone.
dea - 2009 will concede he was a bit of a long term development. but after 4 yrs exactly what :gotigerso brilliant development have we put into him. hes on thin ice.
derickx - spent 3 yrs with us and did what. where was the development.
a edwards - 2013 29yo same player with us he was at north.
s edwards. - 2006 jeezuz hes given probably 2 seasons at the utmost of decent footy the same problems return to bite us every time.
ellis - 2011 - sml player who has progressed okay. a solidly built 1st rounder who was going to play early. is his development any better than any other clubs? or is it nothing more than where it should be .
elton - 2011. a kppwho should take time. but where is he at what edevelopment has there been to even suggest its worth mentioning.
griffiths - 2009 well again a pick 19 and hes done exactly what.
grigg - 2007/2010 a mature recruit. hes exactly the same player with us as he was with carlton.
grimes - 2010 really what development. yeah hes had more than his fair share of injuries which doesnt help. but where has this one dimensional skinny tall defender developed.
helbig - 2010 another whos had injury. despite the injury his development has been that good hes lucky to still bo on the list.
houli - 2006/ 2011psd. please tell me what deficiencies have improved since hes been at richmond. hes almost the exact same player we got from essendon.
jackson 2003 geez a player who has taken 10 yrs to learn to play within his limitations and even then we ask will he revet back to normal.
king 2007 mature recruit who is still the same player he was when we got him what weaknesses has he overcome.
knights - 2004/2012 played good footy at the crows but injuries kept on hitting. same at richmond. what development can we claim.
maric - 2004/2011 we got him as a 26yo he was devolped. he just needed opportunity.
martin - 2009 pick 3 ready to go player who straight away played at a good standard. he is slowly developing his game and overcoming his weaknesses. development or just raw talent.
mcbean - 2012 well we will see how he develops and what he turns into. bit rich to claim we have developed anything.
mcdonough - 2012 see mcbean.
mcintosh - see mcbean.
morris - 2011 24yo ready to go recruit. we all love and his attack on the ball him but to claim development he needs to improve some basic areas of his game.he does have his knockers.
nahas - 2009 yep in his 5 yrs he really developed didnt he not. those basics that we talk about with so many on our list just came back and bit us. development pppffft.
ohanlon - 2012 psd hes done what to date . what development has occured to suggest hes improved enough to even be kept.
vickery - well again what development 6 yrs in and hes developed into what exactly. not a ruckman thats for sure.
cmon i cant be bothered going on it seems to me the only players that have really improved in the main and thus developed are the first rounders we have taken. is that development or just an indicator of the talent they have and where we took em.
cmon show me players outside of those first rounders and ready to go mature recruits who have truly developed and improved.
The club hasn't been in a position to develop players and this has been duly recognized. Benny is now putting in place new structures to deal with this problem. The stand alone VFL team and more coaching are good examples.
We have been down the bottom for 32 years for many reasons. Player development is one of the main ones.
So far we have:
1. Redeveloped the training facilities at PRO
2. Resurfaced the ground.
3. Hired new fitness staff
4. Hired many new assistant coaches including Mark Williams
5. Hired an experienced recruiting officer that worked with one of the best for many years.
6. Created a standalone reserves team
Now this means the club is doing everything it possibly can to fast track success.
What else claw? Now that they have got their finances under control, don't you think they are making strides in the right direction?
i have never ever said we arent improving in a lot of areas.
the purpose of my post was to merely point out we dont have any current claim to development fame. in fact our record would suggest we take players with as few deficiencies as possible because we have been so poor.
look if you draft turds you may well manage to put a high polish on the odd one . but in the main if you keep on drafting those turds no matter how good your polish is and how hard you work at it the majority are just going to fail.
i for one would dearly love to know what the recruiting prosesses are and more importantly what the criteria are for drafting players.
i have always advocated and said you put the horse in front of the cart. that is you first recruit really well and then you develop what you have. ive maintained for as long as i can remember that a poor kick at 18 will always be a poor kick. this skill never improves or very rarely. what does happen and players can do is learn to operate within their limitations and team structures. have too many players with basic limitations though and you get picked to pieces by skillful sides.
a poorly skilled player imo must bring some other really outstanding attribute to the table an attribute that your team probably lacks.
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Riddle me this Claw: if we can't develop players, which is essentially what you have said in your last tree posts, then how do you explain our steady rise up the ladder under Hardwick? It can't be our recruiting because you think that's been poor too. So what's it been? Luck?
Three years improvement for RFC tells me that you have real problems 'developing' accurate opinions. You might want to think about an overhaul of your opinion development processes.
Oh boy! Already having a go at Bean and saying Grimes has 'plateaued' when he has been out injured for the best part of two years. :lol You're a hoot!
so what young players on our list have developed as we would wish.
arnot - 2011 - a sml mid has he developed adequately. 50/50 chance to be cut.
astbury - 2009. yep had injury but if he has a poor yr in 2014 theres every likely hood he will be cut. good chance to be cut still.
batchelor - 2010, bloody hell if anything hes gone backwards. he has deficiencies that will see him struggle. but its only my opinion. 50/50 chance to be cut imo.
chaplain - 2003/2012 certainly looks exactly the same player he was at port to me.
conca - pick 6 2010 3 yrs in where exactly do you expect these so called top echelon players to be at.
cotchin - pick 2 hes where he should be at for such a talented player. lets talk development with him though. if he has a weakness its really been his kicking have we improved that area.
darrou 2012 - well no high hopes here hes a rookie pick and hes managed to get a 3rd yr as a rookie. im asking though how have we developed him. needs to step up or hes gone.
dea - 2009 will concede he was a bit of a long term development. but after 4 yrs exactly what :gotigerso brilliant development have we put into him. hes on thin ice.
derickx - spent 3 yrs with us and did what. where was the development.
a edwards - 2013 29yo same player with us he was at north.
s edwards. - 2006 jeezuz hes given probably 2 seasons at the utmost of decent footy the same problems return to bite us every time.
ellis - 2011 - sml player who has progressed okay. a solidly built 1st rounder who was going to play early. is his development any better than any other clubs? or is it nothing more than where it should be .
elton - 2011. a kppwho should take time. but where is he at what edevelopment has there been to even suggest its worth mentioning.
griffiths - 2009 well again a pick 19 and hes done exactly what.
grigg - 2007/2010 a mature recruit. hes exactly the same player with us as he was with carlton.
grimes - 2010 really what development. yeah hes had more than his fair share of injuries which doesnt help. but where has this one dimensional skinny tall defender developed.
helbig - 2010 another whos had injury. despite the injury his development has been that good hes lucky to still bo on the list.
houli - 2006/ 2011psd. please tell me what deficiencies have improved since hes been at richmond. hes almost the exact same player we got from essendon.
jackson 2003 geez a player who has taken 10 yrs to learn to play within his limitations and even then we ask will he revet back to normal.
king 2007 mature recruit who is still the same player he was when we got him what weaknesses has he overcome.
knights - 2004/2012 played good footy at the crows but injuries kept on hitting. same at richmond. what development can we claim.
maric - 2004/2011 we got him as a 26yo he was devolped. he just needed opportunity.
martin - 2009 pick 3 ready to go player who straight away played at a good standard. he is slowly developing his game and overcoming his weaknesses. development or just raw talent.
mcbean - 2012 well we will see how he develops and what he turns into. bit rich to claim we have developed anything.
mcdonough - 2012 see mcbean.
mcintosh - see mcbean.
morris - 2011 24yo ready to go recruit. we all love and his attack on the ball him but to claim development he needs to improve some basic areas of his game.he does have his knockers.
nahas - 2009 yep in his 5 yrs he really developed didnt he not. those basics that we talk about with so many on our list just came back and bit us. development pppffft.
ohanlon - 2012 psd hes done what to date . what development has occured to suggest hes improved enough to even be kept.
vickery - well again what development 6 yrs in and hes developed into what exactly. not a ruckman thats for sure.
cmon i cant be bothered going on it seems to me the only players that have really improved in the main and thus developed are the first rounders we have taken. is that development or just an indicator of the talent they have and where we took em.
cmon show me players outside of those first rounders and ready to go mature recruits who have truly developed and improved.
The club hasn't been in a position to develop players and this has been duly recognized. Benny is now putting in place new structures to deal with this problem. The stand alone VFL team and more coaching are good examples.
We have been down the bottom for 32 years for many reasons. Player development is one of the main ones.
So far we have:
1. Redeveloped the training facilities at PRO
2. Resurfaced the ground.
3. Hired new fitness staff
4. Hired many new assistant coaches including Mark Williams
5. Hired an experienced recruiting officer that worked with one of the best for many years.
6. Created a standalone reserves team
Now this means the club is doing everything it possibly can to fast track success.
What else claw? Now that they have got their finances under control, don't you think they are making strides in the right direction?
i have never ever said we arent improving in a lot of areas.
the purpose of my post was to merely point out we dont have any current claim to development fame. in fact our record would suggest we take players with as few deficiencies as possible because we have been so poor.
look if you draft turds you may well manage to put a high polish on the odd one . but in the main if you keep on drafting those turds no matter how good your polish is and how hard you work at it the majority are just going to fail.
i for one would dearly love to know what the recruiting prosesses are and more importantly what the criteria are for drafting players.
i have always advocated and said you put the horse in front of the cart. that is you first recruit really well and then you develop what you have. ive maintained for as long as i can remember that a poor kick at 18 will always be a poor kick. this skill never improves or very rarely. what does happen and players can do is learn to operate within their limitations and team structures. have too many players with basic limitations though and you get picked to pieces by skillful sides.
a poorly skilled player imo must bring some other really outstanding attribute to the table an attribute that your team probably lacks.
And all I've said is that we have made huge strides in the last 18 months to correct our past problems. Give the new system some time. Give Gordon and Lioyd time to show if they were better choices than those chosen after them. Nobody does things perfectly. We are not alone.
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He won't even get any opportunities in 2014. Might play 3 senior games max. Why give him a contract extension if his papers are already signed?
They're gone delist him at the end of 2014.
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who ben?
will be starting #18 player
aka plugger lockett
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Its a shame claw. I'm getting to a point where I just skim over your posts because they are like I'm reading another language. You have made some excellent points in the past but this constant negative attitude you have towards our players and recruiting is bs. We finished 5th. Our young players have and are improving. I don't care how you dress it up but we are a better side than we have been in decades. Could we be better - sure but credit where credit is due, we are doing well.
When I start to see a more balanced perspective from you claw I'll take more credence to your opinion. Until then I'll keep skimming until I grow tired of even this and stop reading your posts all together. :(
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VIDEO: Benny Griffiths interview ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-01-16/griffiths-caring-for-canines
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Griffiths primed for form upgrade
richmondfc.com.au
January 16, 2014 8:51 PM
"I’ve done a lot of work with ‘Choc’ this pre-season, with extra contested sessions after training,” Griffiths said.
"My goal is to play every game (in 2014), and not just to play games and get through, but have a real impact for the team.
"I feel like this pre-season I’ve put myself in a pretty good position to do that.”
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-01-16/griffiths-primed-for-form-upgrade-
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Its a shame claw. I'm getting to a point where I just skim over your posts because they are like I'm reading another language. You have made some excellent points in the past but this constant negative attitude you have towards our players and recruiting is bs. We finished 5th. Our young players have and are improving. I don't care how you dress it up but we are a better side than we have been in decades. Could we be better - sure but credit where credit is due, we are doing well.
When I start to see a more balanced perspective from you claw I'll take more credence to your opinion. Until then I'll keep skimming until I grow tired of even this and stop reading your posts all together. :(
Yep, I am the same Stripes. And he really has not improved since you posted this
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VIDEO: Benny Griffiths interview ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-01-16/griffiths-caring-for-canines
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Griffiths primed for form upgrade
richmondfc.com.au
January 16, 2014 8:51 PM
"I’ve done a lot of work with ‘Choc’ this pre-season, with extra contested sessions after training,” Griffiths said.
"My goal is to play every game (in 2014), and not just to play games and get through, but have a real impact for the team.
"I feel like this pre-season I’ve put myself in a pretty good position to do that.”
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-01-16/griffiths-primed-for-form-upgrade-
Could be the real smokey for us this year!!! ;)
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Altohugh I reckon it's admirable that he says his goal is to play ever game this year
I reckon his focus should be:
1/ getting fit, staying fit and more importantly simply staying on the paddock
2/ CONSISTENCY of effort & performance at whatever level he plays
which will mean the number of games he plays will take care of itself
Think if he was to play 6-12 AFL games this year it would be a massive improvement on not only 2013 but all previous years
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injured?
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injured?
He isn't at the moment
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I think to play every game his focus would have to be your 1st and 2nd point to achieve his goal. In that interview he mentions that he is the fittest he has ever been so focus on point 1 seems to be under control.
He also mentioned that he's training as a Forward/Ruck.
The only time I have ever talked to him was when he was playing defense in the seniors. At the time what he said made it quite clear that he wanted to play forward.
Seems he's got his wish so hopefully he'll grab his chance with both hands. He'll need to be good because there's a lot more competition for positions than there was 2 or 3 years ago. Standards are higher.
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Ben's best position is FF. He should be played there. He was compared to Plugger as a junior. Imagine if we had recruited plugger and tried making him a backman!
FFS leave him forward and see what he can do! If he flops then delist him. I think if given some reasonable delivery he could cause a lot of headaches for opposition backmen.
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:clapping
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Can someone please clarify if hes injured?
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i can't get a straight answer around here these days dooks
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But I did answer and it was a straight answer
He isn't injured at the moment ;D
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But I did answer and it was a straight answer
He isn't injured at the moment ;D
Hmmmmmm.....well ill take that with a grain of salt
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We're trying to turn him into a ruck now ? :banghead
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Can only play at Full Forward. Can Jack Riewoldt play at CHF? Where will the Hampstar play? And what about SuperMac the Bean where will SuperMac play?
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Can we turn him into a footballer who gets the pill?
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Why would you want to :huh
Ff sposed to led mark goal , not get 25 possession
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Surprised they gave this guy another year when they dropped Post after what I considered to be a promising run of form towards the end of his last year.
Gotta wonder how much time you give these guys, Astbury too.
Hopefully he puts on some muscle and Choco puts some fire in his belly...
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Surprised they gave this guy another year when they dropped Post after what I considered to be a promising run of form towards the end of his last year.
72 goals for Altona last season suggests that poor old Jayden has now found a level at which he can perform consistently. The AFL was just too hot for him.
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Why would you want to :huh
Ff sposed to led mark goal , not get 25 possession
Stuff 25 I would be happy if you drop the 2 and he just gave us five possies per game, would be a huge improvement
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(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2014/01/17/310918.jpg) (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2014/01/17/310907.jpg)
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2014/01/17/310907.jpg
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:shh
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Surprised they gave this guy another year when they dropped Post after what I considered to be a promising run of form towards the end of his last year.
72 goals for Altona last season suggests that poor old Jayden has now found a level at which he can perform consistently. The AFL was just too hot for him.
well stuff me posty is playing forward and kicking goals.
whod have thought it? certainly not the rfc..
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For Altona...
Vs deer park...
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lmao
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(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2014/01/17/310918.jpg) (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2014/01/17/310907.jpg)
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2014/01/17/310907.jpg
He looks like Gus
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So Claw you're equating kicking goals for Altona to doing the same in the AFL?
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Surprised they gave this guy another year when they dropped Post after what I considered to be a promising run of form towards the end of his last year.
72 goals for Altona last season suggests that poor old Jayden has now found a level at which he can perform consistently. The AFL was just too hot for him.
well stuff me posty is playing forward and kicking goals.
whod have thought it? certainly not the rfc..
He was tried forward many times.. seniors and reserves. It never clicked for him. Matter of fact neither did defense. Hence why he's playing for Altona..
i thought he was a chance to make it, he had the tools, not the passion..
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So Claw you're equating kicking goals for Altona to doing the same in the AFL?
nope just continuing to make the point how we misdevelop our talls by playing them out of position. ive never seen a tall player pulled from pillar to post as much as jayden was. and people continue to talk up development at richmond. its hilarious.
on griffiths, he has been almost entirely dveloped down back, but now all of a sudden hes going to play forward is this an admission of getting it wrong.
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So Claw you're equating kicking goals for Altona to doing the same in the AFL?
nope just continuing to make the point how we misdevelop our talls by playing them out of position. ive never seen a tall player pulled from pillar to post as much as jayden was. and people continue to talk up development at richmond. its hilarious.
on griffiths, he has been almost entirely dveloped down back, but now all of a sudden hes going to play forward is this an admission of getting it wrong.
Post was tried everywhere coz he was poop everywhere
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FFS, even mrakov can see it :banghead
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For Altona...
Vs deer park...
;D ;D ;D
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Surprised they gave this guy another year when they dropped Post after what I considered to be a promising run of form towards the end of his last year.
Gotta wonder how much time you give these guys, Astbury too.
Hopefully he puts on some muscle and Choco puts some fire in his belly...
Astbury played okay towards end of year. Unfortunately got injured. Need a big year from him but is not a lost cause
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He doesn't run, he lumbers - if he can fix that for starters it will help. From the sounds of things, it's a focus for him this pre season.
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He doesn't run, he lumbers - if he can fix that for starters it will help. From the sounds of things, it's a focus for him this pre season.
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can he ruck then?
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He doesn't run, he lumbers - if he can fix that for starters it will help. From the sounds of things, it's a focus for him this pre season.
Who griffs?
I don't remember tony lockett gliding like a gazelle either
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Stop comparing Griff to Lockett FFS. :banghead Plugga had more shots at goal per quarter than Griffiths gets touches per season.
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I know he kicks far but even the like of Griff and plugger will struggle to kick bags from full back
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Jayden Post once kicked 5 in a quarter for Coburg. Griffiths has played forward and done SFA at AFL level and VFL level. at 23/24 or however old he is now, it's time to deliver this year.
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Bit of a pity but I doubt he or Astbury will make it at all.
You generally know by this stage. They're fringe players and may serve a back-up purpose if Rance and Chaplin both go down at the start of the season but that's probably it IMO.
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Astbury and Griffiths need to step up this year for sure. Hopefully they will. Some players take longer to develop than others and both players have had injury problems. I am hoping for an injury free season for both. If going to play Griffiths play him up forward. If going to play Astbury play him on a flank not as a key position player.
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If going to play Astbury play him on a flank not as a key position player.
At 6' 3" or 4" he's too tall and not mobile enough for a flank.
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He's definitely been doing more training as a forward/ruck and also saw him doing some work on his own after training yesterday, hoping for great things from the big G.
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He's definitely been doing more training as a forward/ruck and also saw him doing some work on his own after training yesterday, hoping for great things from the big G.
:clapping
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He doesn't run, he lumbers - if he can fix that for starters it will help. From the sounds of things, it's a focus for him this pre season.
Who griffs?
I don't remember tony lockett gliding like a gazelle either
Asbury
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How is he meant to come of age if he won't be getting a game? Who will he force out. Will be delisted at the end of the year or traded for pick 600.
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Talk is that Ben has seriously injured his left shoulder and will have scans tomorrow
Anyone heard similar?
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Where u hear dat
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Educated guess I would say
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Ffs
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Bit of a pity but I doubt he or Astbury will make it at all.
You generally know by this stage. They're fringe players and may serve a back-up purpose if Rance and Chaplin both go down at the start of the season but that's probably it IMO.
do you think it possible the club has had similar thoughts. if so gotta ask why have we not done anything about it in drafts and trades.
i understand they have been trying him in the ruck. bit of a worry playing a bloke who runs from contact and is always injured in the most confronting position on the ground.
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Educated guess I would say
:lol
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Where u hear dat
News from someone who should know, but its 3rd hand so im not taking it as definate.
Anyone heard anything similar?
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Where u hear dat
News from someone who should know, but its 3rd hand so im not taking it as definate.
Anyone heard anything similar?
That would be "definite", FFS which school did you go to?
:lol :cheers
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Where u hear dat
News from someone who should know, but its 3rd hand so im not taking it as definate.
Anyone heard anything similar?
If it's true then he's a goner
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Straight to the glue factory :banghead
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Or dookie is creating lies again
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Talk is that Ben has seriously injured his left shoulder and will have scans tomorrow
Anyone heard similar?
This morning he is out on the track doing full training with no strapping.
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Great new then :thumbsup Thanks for clearing that up RFC_Offical :cheers
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thanks for the troll dooks !
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Talk is that Ben has seriously injured his left shoulder and will have scans tomorrow
Anyone heard similar?
This morning he is out on the track doing full training with no strapping.
:clapping
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i understand they have been trying him in the ruck. bit of a worry playing a bloke who runs from contact and is always injured in the most confronting position on the ground.
Where did you hear this claw? Interesting if this eventuates. With his height and leap he could make a great forward/ruck but as you say he is incredibly injury prone. :-\ Hope he steps up this year and carves out a spot forward. I always imaged him as a CHF using that hoof of his to kick 60m goals and launching it into the forwardline from the wing.
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i understand they have been trying him in the ruck. bit of a worry playing a bloke who runs from contact and is always injured in the most confronting position on the ground.
Where did you hear this claw? Interesting if this eventuates. With his height and leap he could make a great forward/ruck but as you say he is incredibly injury prone. :-\ Hope he steps up this year and carves out a spot forward. I always imaged him as a CHF using that hoof of his to kick 60m goals and launching it into the forwardline from the wing.
Playing him in the ruck might at least force him to learn how to contest, if nothing else.
(http://www.fact.co.uk/media/494868/a_clockwork_orange_3.jpg)
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Playing him in the ruck might at least force him to learn how to contest, if nothing else.
Didn't work for Graham. :'(
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Indeed - hence the operative word in my post was "might".
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;D
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Talk is that Ben has seriously injured his left shoulder and will have scans tomorrow
Anyone heard similar?
This morning he is out on the track doing full training with no strapping.
Thanks for the clarification :thumbsup
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Talk is that Ben has seriously injured his left shoulder and will have scans tomorrow
Anyone heard similar?
This morning he is out on the track doing full training with no strapping.
Except for the strapping across his face, he and evy playing pin the mules arse on the tail
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Yep, BF reports i've read suggest that he's been training as a ruck. People have also noted his aggression during contact drills. I suspect he's been given a wee bit of a rocket. Chocco's work perhaps.
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Go Big Benny G
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Why didnt Ben go to Warnambool with the rest of the side?
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Why didnt Ben go to Warnambool with the rest of the side?
Training (running laps) at Punt Rd with others who didn't head down to Warrnambool apparently.
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Apparently.
Still the question stands
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Dooks P.I :police:
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Nobody wants to answer the questions that need to be answered.
And we are STILL waiting
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He's injured again obviously
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He's injured again obviously
Well, what I say to the fans is dont listen to us to form your view
Listen to the silence.
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Griffs played in the ruck in the scratch match today :thumbsup.
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Griffs played in the ruck in the scratch match today :thumbsup.
How did he go mate?
I still cant understand the philosophy behind this unless they are preparing him for a forward ruck role, otherwise why did we keep the Big O and recruit Hampson if we are going to play Griff in the ruck.. :huh
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Griffs played in the ruck in the scratch match today :thumbsup.
How did he go mate?
I still cant understand the philosophy behind this unless they are preparing him for a forward ruck role, otherwise why did we keep the Big O and recruit Hampson if we are going to play Griff in the ruck.. :huh
I didn't see it, WAT. Griffs is in some of the pics in RFCO's flippagram in the training thread.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/griffiths-training-1.jpg)
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/griffiths-training-2.jpg)
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Griffs played in the ruck in the scratch match today :thumbsup.
How did he go mate?
I still cant understand the philosophy behind this unless they are preparing him for a forward ruck role, otherwise why did we keep the Big O and recruit Hampson if we are going to play Griff in the ruck.. :huh
it's called options and versatility.
Not important to some, as I understand.
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He will never ever be a good ruckman. He's a forward
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Griffs played in the ruck in the scratch match today :thumbsup.
How did he go mate?
I still cant understand the philosophy behind this unless they are preparing him for a forward ruck role, otherwise why did we keep the Big O and recruit Hampson if we are going to play Griff in the ruck.. :huh
it's called options and versatility.
Not important to some, as I understand.
Thanks OE, gee he's a big unit.
al, versatility didn't do him much good down back did it.
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He will never ever be a good ruckman. He's a forward
Good to see some are onto it! Not important to some though.
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Griffs played in the ruck in the scratch match today :thumbsup.
How did he go mate?
I still cant understand the philosophy behind this unless they are preparing him for a forward ruck role, otherwise why did we keep the Big O and recruit Hampson if we are going to play Griff in the ruck.. :huh
it's called options and versatility.
Not important to some, as I understand.
Thanks OE, gee he's a big unit.
al, versatility didn't do him much good down back did it.
:lol did he have any versatility down back?
Edit: text inside quote edited
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Griffs played in the ruck in the scratch match today :thumbsup.
How did he go mate?
I still cant understand the philosophy behind this unless they are preparing him for a forward ruck role, otherwise why did we keep the Big O and recruit Hampson if we are going to play Griff in the ruck.. :huh
it's called options and versatility.
Not important to some, as I understand.
Thanks OE, gee he's a big unit.
al, versatility didn't do him much good down back did it.
:lol did he have any versatility down back?
Did he? :Rollin, his crap play down there does not make him versatile.
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:huh3
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:huh3
Sorry, when they played him between forward and back. Forward very little.
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I'd suggest you read what i said.
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He will never ever be a good ruckman. He's a forward
if he can get the ball five times in the center square and kick it 75 meters towards goal that unique 8)
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He will never ever be a good ruckman. He's a forward
if he can get the ball five times in the center square and kick it 75 meters towards goal that unique 8)
Are those five times in the one game or for the whole season
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three kicks a game = 200+ meters gained :shh
richmond is keeping the nfl at bay :shh
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ah versatility. fine trying it if your players can master at least one position.
lets at least have em at afl level in the one position they are most likely to succeeed at before we try to turn em into something else.
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Should sell him to an NFL club for a few million.
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What did we all think of Griffiths' game last night?
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Doesn't look like he wants to stamp his presence on the game, which is a shame.
I'm actually part player sponsor of griff, having hopes but that didn't do much for them!
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Went ok in a ridiculously flooded overcrowded forward line.
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I reckon he would have been one of the better players for us. Interesting to see how he plays with better people around him eg, Jackson, Riewoldt, Maric, Conca, Grimas
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I thought he'll be delisted at the end of the year.
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Doesn't look like he wants to stamp his presence on the game, which is a shame.
I'm actually part player sponsor of griff, having hopes but that didn't do much for them!
You should ask for your money back
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Played a serviceable game and fingers crossed he gets better. Looked like he moved around the ground well but a few more overhead marks would be nice.
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Held his own in the ruck an clunked a few.
I thought he was ok
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Held his own in the ruck an clunked a few.
I thought he was ok
agree. Something to build on. Showed intent for first time in his life.
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Held his own in the ruck an clunked a few.
I thought he was ok
agree. Something to build on. Showed intent for first time in his life.
My thoughts too. Still needs more grunt, but he's not going to sell me on that as long as I'm watching with the missus as she always says "it's the puppy guy" after watching that video on Roar Vision
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Held his own in the ruck an clunked a few.
I thought he was ok
agree. Something to build on. Showed intent for first time in his life.
My thoughts too. Still needs more grunt, but he's not going to sell me on that as long as I'm watching with the missus as she always says "it's the puppy guy" after watching that video on Roar Vision
Perhaps 2e need to infect him with the rage virus and watch him gooooooooo :shh
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It's a start. Would play him ahead of Hampspud.
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Should be played as third forward before Edwards and ruckman forward before Hampson.
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Just get him to take it out of the centre bounce and hoof it 70 and sack the midfield
All the money saved can go into a new bar at punt road
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Great game :bow
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When he rucked at a throw in, he has happy to take back position and try and reach over the top of their ruckman. Didn't want to fight for front possi because he is as weak as water.
IMO he will not make it.
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Great game :bow
Career high possessions. Get around him.
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He kicked a nice goal but dont judge a team thats going in half hearted. Nab Cup is just a training run ;D
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Played a good game. Could have kicked half a dozen if he took his chances. Looked surprisingly good in the ruck too. May make it yet
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When he rucked at a throw in, he has happy to take back position and try and reach over the top of their ruckman. Didn't want to fight for front possi because he is as weak as water.
IMO he will not make it.
Yeo. Long history of ruck work the Griff. I was expecting his ruck work to be akin to Polly farmer in his first go at it
:facepalm
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When he rucked at a throw in, he has happy to take back position and try and reach over the top of their ruckman. Didn't want to fight for front possi because he is as weak as water.
IMO he will not make it.
Yeo. Long history of ruck work the Griff. I was expecting his ruck work to be akin to Polly farmer in his first go at it
:facepalm
Ruck work 101, fight for front position at a boundary throw in, that way you may have a chance of getting your hand first to the pill. You don't have to have played in the ruck all your life to know that.
Even trying to get to the front would have been good enough, but happy to play from behind IMO isn't. Just my take, you obviously saw it different?
Does anyone else think we cut these guys to much slack on just the simple things of AFL footy. Some seem to think just because they haven't racked up 100 games of AFL that they don't know anything about it. Most kids have played for 10 years before they even hit an AFL list. And for the last 4 of those years, if they are any good, they get some pretty good coaching through the systems. Unlike days gone by. Expecting a 200cm, 100kg kid to fight for front position is not asking to much!!
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Agree with comments should play as third tall. Glad played well on Friday but the real test is when the season starts.
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When he rucked at a throw in, he has happy to take back position and try and reach over the top of their ruckman. Didn't want to fight for front possi because he is as weak as water.
IMO he will not make it.
Yeo. Long history of ruck work the Griff. I was expecting his ruck work to be akin to Polly farmer in his first go at it
:facepalm
Ruck work 101, fight for front position at a boundary throw in, that way you may have a chance of getting your hand first to the pill. You don't have to have played in the ruck all your life to know that.
Even trying to get to the front would have been good enough, but happy to play from behind IMO isn't. Just my take, you obviously saw it different?
Does anyone else think we cut these guys to much slack on just the simple things of AFL footy. Some seem to think just because they haven't racked up 100 games of AFL that they don't know anything about it. Most kids have played for 10 years before they even hit an AFL list. And for the last 4 of those years, if they are any good, they get some pretty good coaching through the systems. Unlike days gone by. Expecting a 200cm, 100kg kid to fight for front position is not asking to much!!
Ive noticed especially with our supporters that its either black or white, they are either cut way too much slack by supporters, or, they are stamped as soft duds from day dot
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Not sure if it would be supporters in general, but amongst those that come on the interweb there definitely does seem to be a trend for that
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i got the idea from a poster many yrs ago who had done the homework of time frames for each type. it seemed to run true in most cases so i have applied it myself and it still seems to run true most of the time.
its a loose guide of when players of differing sizes click. of course there are many variables some are players coming from different back grounds ie basketball as a junior. size hamish hartlett was always going to be a very good player at worst but he was going to take longer to click than most because he was 6o comething kg wringing wet when drafted. mcbean will take time to really hit his straps in certain areas. it may be hes 24 before we see something close to his full potential. players must have enough good attributes as well you know all the basics are there.
anyway it goes
smalls by 20
medium/tall by 22.
talls above 195 by 24.
all players if circumstances permit should show some sort of improvement each yr as they go. it isnt a hard process to go thru and it gives a general idea of when players should have for want of a better word clicked.
its this process combined with a few other things that rarely sees me call for a players head inside of 4 yrs. if there hasnt been enough improvement or they have too many weaknesses i certainly criticise as they go but i tend to give em plenty of time before calling for a cull.
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i got the idea from a poster many yrs ago who had done the homework of time frames for each type. it seemed to run true in most cases so i have applied it myself and it still seems to run true most of the time.
its a loose guide of when players of differing sizes click. of course there are many variables some are players coming from different back grounds ie basketball as a junior. size hamish hartlett was always going to be a very good player at worst but he was going to take longer to click than most because he was 6o comething kg wringing wet when drafted. mcbean will take time to really hit his straps in certain areas. it may be hes 24 before we see something close to his full potential. players must have enough good attributes as well you know all the basics are there.
anyway it goes
smalls by 20
medium/tall by 22.
talls above 195 by 24.
all players if circumstances permit should show some sort of improvement each yr as they go. it isnt a hard process to go thru and it gives a general idea of when players should have for want of a better word clicked.
its this process combined with a few other things that rarely sees me call for a players head inside of 4 yrs. if there hasnt been enough improvement or they have too many weaknesses i certainly criticise as they go but i tend to give em plenty of time before calling for a cull.
Did you see any improvement in Ben from just the one practice game?
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joe daniher had 7 touches and kicked 2 goals and has been hailed as a messiah, a superstar, a gun, the next simon madden, and been handed a lucrative clearasil endorsement
griff not far behind then, someone call regaine :cheers :clapping
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:lol :clapping
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Gives against the grain of peoples comments hebisnlucky to br on the list... innit
:huh
Bents, for the love of all things comprehensible, get off your 'smart'phone and go back to a PC with a proper keyboard and large letters!
;D
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He is on a PC.
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joe daniher had 7 touches and kicked 2 goals and has been hailed as a messiah, a superstar, a gun, the next simon madden, and been handed a lucrative clearasil endorsement
griff not far behind then, someone call regaine :cheers :clapping
:lol :lol :lol
He is on a PC.
:lol :lol :lol
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lmao
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joe daniher had 7 touches and kicked 2 goals and has been hailed as a messiah, a superstar, a gun, the next simon madden, and been handed a lucrative clearasil endorsement
griff not far behind then, someone call regaine :cheers :clapping
At least Big Ben can kick. Daniher is quite possibly the worst kick in senior footy! :lol
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joe daniher had 7 touches and kicked 2 goals and has been hailed as a messiah, a superstar, a gun, the next simon madden, and been handed a lucrative clearasil endorsement
griff not far behind then, someone call regaine :cheers :clapping
At least Big Ben can kick. Daniher is quite possibly the worst kick in senior footy! :lol
Was quite an achievement to get the ball to land further from goal than where he kicked it from with that shot in the 2nd quarter. :lol
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If we are going to believe what you say, Mr claw -
195+ 24 (griffonaught 200/22)
Griff should be given another two season honey moon period :huhu
It does go against the grain of peoples comments is. Should have been delisted @21/200
Oh dear oh dear. What tangled webs we weave.
Gerks mate but did plugger have flowing locks? Nae but he could kick 60m+
#StandByGriffiths
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I am pro baldness you racist ****
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Gives against the grain of peoples comments hebisnlucky to br on the list... innit
:huh
Bents, for the love of all things comprehensible, get off your 'smart'phone and go back to a PC with a proper keyboard and large letters!
;D
:lol
Present for Judge Bents
(http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/toys/detail-page/B0015KVW56-1-lg.jpg)
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:lol
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i got the idea from a poster many yrs ago who had done the homework of time frames for each type. it seemed to run true in most cases so i have applied it myself and it still seems to run true most of the time.
its a loose guide of when players of differing sizes click. of course there are many variables some are players coming from different back grounds ie basketball as a junior. size hamish hartlett was always going to be a very good player at worst but he was going to take longer to click than most because he was 6o comething kg wringing wet when drafted. mcbean will take time to really hit his straps in certain areas. it may be hes 24 before we see something close to his full potential. players must have enough good attributes as well you know all the basics are there.
anyway it goes
smalls by 20
medium/tall by 22.
talls above 195 by 24.
all players if circumstances permit should show some sort of improvement each yr as they go. it isnt a hard process to go thru and it gives a general idea of when players should have for want of a better word clicked.
its this process combined with a few other things that rarely sees me call for a players head inside of 4 yrs. if there hasnt been enough improvement or they have too many weaknesses i certainly criticise as they go but i tend to give em plenty of time before calling for a cull.
Did you see any improvement in Ben from just the one practice game?
who judges players on practice games.
simply put the criticism of griffiths is hes now 22 hes in yr 5 and in his first 4 yrs couldnt get a kick at coburg and showed little improvement as hes gone. i think what criticism hes copped is deserved.
yep there are some compelling excuses for him the least of which is injury. imo based on what has gone before and at age 22 and in yr 5 i think its fair to ask he he take it up a notch or two and actually shows he belongs at the level.
hes done so little in 4 yrs who could blame the club if they had cut him.
what to expect from him. for me id like to see him taking plenty of contested marks crashing packs and kicking goals at coburg and forcing his way into the seniors. he needs to play probably 10 senior games this yr and show the needed improvment in those games.
its funny i wanted to give post one more yr because of that process i posted. as low as i rate griffiths atm im certainly not one who advocated we cut him.
what none can deny is hes on thin ice and he has to go up a gear or two to justify his spot.
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Hmm I don't want to see Griff crashing packs as I fear he will break into a thousand pieces
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Hmm I don't want to see Griff crashing packs as I fear he will break into a thousand pieces
if the club actually thinks that way they would have cut him.
at his size to be a really effective afl player he just has to find some aggression, start taking marks and competing for everything. if he cant do this he will fail. he has 12mnths to show he can do it and his body can stand up to the rigours of this level.
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Hmm I don't want to see Griff crashing packs as I fear he will break into a thousand pieces
cutting the pricks in the pack into a thousand :shh
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Encouraging performance. Still has a long way to go but tap work showed that he's coming along ok.
Has time yet..
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Hmm I don't want to see Griff crashing packs as I fear he will break into a thousand pieces
As long as he reforms like T-X (Terminator 3) Its all good! ;D
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Another decent effort from Big Griffs today as a ruck/forward - 12 possies (6 cont.) at 83% eff., 2 marks, 16 hitouts, 2 tackles, 2 clearances, 3 inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s, 1 goal, 2 behinds.
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http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/quinten-lynch-of-collingwood-and-ben-griffiths-of-richmond-news-photo/474111255
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Another decent effort from Big Griffs today as a ruck/forward - 12 possies (6 cont.) at 83% eff., 2 marks, 16 hitouts, 2 tackles, 2 clearances, 3 inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s, 1 goal, 2 behinds.
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http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/quinten-lynch-of-collingwood-and-ben-griffiths-of-richmond-news-photo/474111255
Has a real opportunity now
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Another decent effort from Big Griffs today as a ruck/forward - 12 possies (6 cont.) at 83% eff., 2 marks, 16 hitouts, 2 tackles, 2 clearances, 3 inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s, 1 goal, 2 behinds.
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/474111255-quinten-lynch-of-collingwood-and-ben-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QXd%2bcmCrVyjo0pxtnTYsnLV3oK%2fjfJTCR4fkdwiA1P6PN8kRYwGZnsiaic%2baKwg%2b8g%3d%3d)
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/quinten-lynch-of-collingwood-and-ben-griffiths-of-richmond-news-photo/474111255
Has a real opportunity now
Grab it Bennie grab it...........
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Go Big Benny G
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Griff will be a gun, will become a Roughhead.
Might even be as good a CHF as Wayne Carey Luke McGuane, circa Southport days.
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Great result and probably the biggest positive out of the game for mine..well done to the big G. I really hope he keeps this up. :clapping
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It's amazing what a few games does
Only a practice game with no real pressure, but looks promising
If only he had been given opportunities like Edwards and co.
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Yes good to see, he may take a while but the signs are there.
One of the reasons I part sponsored the man, keep it up Benny :clapping
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Encouraging signs the last few weeks - choco :clapping
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Was the first time I have seen enough in a whole game to suggest he might make it. A much improved game from him. :clapping
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Was the first time I have seen enough in a whole game to suggest he might make it. A much improved game from him. :clapping
Cant wait to get home and watch this game.. :yep
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one swallow doesn't make a summer....lets wait and see on Griff.....pre season means diddly squat
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I have said this many times before.
If Griff had been given as many chances as Vickery, he would be a better player than him by now.
Imagine if Vickery was payed down back, down forward, in the ruck, dropped to the magoos after one bad game……
The guy has been poorly handled by the RFC. He has oodles of ability but just needs consistency and faith shown in him.
I guess the best thing is we can have both. They are just so important to our structure and flexibility now.
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Early days but has come out determined.
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I have said this many times before.
If Griff had been given as many chances as Vickery, he would be a better player than him by now.
Imagine if Vickery was payed down back, down forward, in the ruck, dropped to the magoos after one bad game……
The guy has been poorly handled by the RFC. He has oodles of ability but just needs consistency and faith shown in him.
I guess the best thing is we can have both. They are just so important to our structure and flexibility now.
This.... :clapping
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I have said this many times before.
If Griff had been given as many chances as Vickery, he would be a better player than him by now.
Imagine if Vickery was payed down back, down forward, in the ruck, dropped to the magoos after one bad game……
The guy has been poorly handled by the RFC. He has oodles of ability but just needs consistency and faith shown in him.
I guess the best thing is we can have both. They are just so important to our structure and flexibility now.
This.... :clapping
Nah needs to stay on the paddock and get some mongrel
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Was very good yesterday
Lots of 2nd efforts, seems to be growing in confidence; especially in not worrying about those much maligned shoulders of his ;D
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he came out on the ground with a mongrel yesterday
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he came out on the ground with a mongrel yesterday
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Spot on Owl
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what are you blokes looking at his crotch for? :huh3
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he came out on the ground with a mongrel yesterday
He ran out with Eddie McGuire?
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Griff has basically been useless until now. He played round 1 last year and blew that opp.
Playing him forward and back shouldn't impact his ability to compete - I reckon the club have thrown him around just to find a way to get him involved. It's good to see the penny finally dropping.
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he came out on the ground with a mongrel yesterday
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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Cmon Benny!!! Tight to kick arse!
http://youtu.be/qztuEucrNBc
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Griff will be a gun, will become a Roughhead.
Might even be as good a CHF as Wayne Carey Luke McGuane, circa Southport days.
Southport? McG is a Broadbeach man you gobbler. Never mention the great mans name again.
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How was his kick that Hampson fluffed in the goal square.
Kicked it from the wing and landed it in the square :o
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How was his kick that Hampson fluffed in the goal square.
I laughed at that - thought we had re-drafted McGuane for a minute!
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Was the biggest noticeable improvement to structure on the weekend. He competed surprisingly well in the ruck with his height, size and leap and will only get better with more experience. He also offered a huge amount around the ground with his speed, marking and massive roost. Then rest him forward and he is a weapon off the HF line. He still needs to work on his contested marking but I was very impressed with what he offers.
If Maric needs a clean up in the first part of the season Griffiths will fill the role of the 2nd ruck/resting forward extremely well and will only grow into the position with increased confidence and time.
The best thing for Griff if this comes to fruition is that he won't have the pressure or fear of being dropped after one poor game.
I hope we play him because I think he will be a huge weapon for us.
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in all honsesty it was a praccie game. even then i didnt see anything that i havent seen before. this bloke has miles to go the best we can hope for is decent vimprovement most likely that improvement will come at coburg whoops i mean the twos.
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in all honsesty it was a praccie game. even then i didnt see anything that i havent seen before. this bloke has miles to go the best we can hope for is decent vimprovement most likely that improvement will come at coburg whoops i mean the twos.
How did you rate Vickers game and four goals?
For mine he was the major focus with no JR but for such a big unit I don't think he uses his frame well and needs to develop his hands into BJ's steel traps as I think opposition spoil him to easy.
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One thing Vicks does do is make the most of his opportunities. He finishes well.
Still frustrates me though.
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in all honsesty it was a praccie game. even then i didnt see anything that i havent seen before. this bloke has miles to go the best we can hope for is decent vimprovement most likely that improvement will come at coburg whoops i mean the twos.
How did you rate Vickers game and four goals?
For mine he was the major focus with no JR but for such a big unit I don't think he uses his frame well and needs to develop his hands into BJ's steel traps as I think opposition spoil him to easy.
4 goals covered over the cracks. was almost totally unsighted in the first half.
there will be plenty of games where the cheap goals dont come and with that sort of output will be a total liability.
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in all honsesty it was a praccie game. even then i didnt see anything that i havent seen before. this bloke has miles to go the best we can hope for is decent vimprovement most likely that improvement will come at coburg whoops i mean the twos.
How did you rate Vickers game and four goals?
For mine he was the major focus with no JR but for such a big unit I don't think he uses his frame well and needs to develop his hands into BJ's steel traps as I think opposition spoil him to easy.
4 goals covered over the cracks. was almost totally unsighted in the first half.
there will be plenty of games where the cheap goals dont come and with that sort of output will be a total liability.
Yeh although I hold out big hopes for him though
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Is this the Griffiths thread or the Vickery thread? :help
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Is this the Griffiths thread or the Vickery thread? :help
Sorry I will put my hand up for going off topic this once
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I graciously accept your apology! ;D
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in all honsesty it was a praccie game. even then i didnt see anything that i havent seen before. this bloke has miles to go the best we can hope for is decent vimprovement most likely that improvement will come at coburg whoops i mean the twos.
Lol
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Another good game from Griffs by all reports kicking 2 goals. Hopefully a sign the lightbulb has finally flicked on in his head and he can take this form into the real stuff :pray.
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/316086-tlsgallerylandscape.jpg
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Well maybe the lightbulb has finally clicked in the coaching team and they will leave him in the forward line.
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Watched big Benny up close today. Thought that he was one of our best. Good forward and back and very handy in yhe ruck.
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I'm a griff supporter.
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Ben Griffiths had ten contested possessions.
https://twitter.com/kristianpisano
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Who is Kristina PutanO?
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Who is Kristina PutanO?
Self explanatory.
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I'm a griff sponsor ) getting there
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I watched the entire game apart from drop outs.
It was griffs best game by far. The man has a sudden bout of self belief.
Contested mRks in the fwd line and plenty of good work in the ruck. Ruckwork is already ahead of Vickery and stephenson
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Common Big Benny G!!! :bow :bow :bow :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Ben Griffiths had ten contested possessions.
https://twitter.com/kristianpisano
:o na change that to ::) your kidding aint ya. actually if hes spending time in the ruck c/ps will go up a fair bit.
just two questions.
1/ is he imposing himself on contests
2/ is he taking contested marks
anyway good to see hes really having a dip and good on him. you never know.
still i will reserve judgement for the real stuff and when i actually see him play.
I watched the entire game apart from drop outs.
It was griffs best game by far. The man has a sudden bout of self belief.
Contested mRks in the fwd line and plenty of good work in the ruck. Ruckwork is already ahead of Vickery and stephenson
not hard to be in front of vickery when it comes to ruck work. for that matter i dont think it would be too hard to jump past him as a kpf. cmon griffo cmon.
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Yes and yes
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Watched big Benny up close today. Thought that he was one of our best. Good forward and back and very handy in yhe ruck.
agree he was good both forward and back although I thought he was quiet early but went back and took a couple of strong grabs which seemed to lift his confidence.
showed that he can influence a game from both ends with goals when forward as well strong defensive grabs and then giving drive with his kicking from the back line. how good was that 70m kick from half back to martin who then found jack for a goal?
still a way to go , but the signs are a bit more promising now.
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Yay Big Bad Benny G :clapping
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Ben Griffiths had ten contested possessions.
https://twitter.com/kristianpisano
:o na change that to ::) your kidding aint ya. actually if hes spending time in the ruck c/ps will go up a fair bit.
just two questions.
1/ is he imposing himself on contests
2/ is he taking contested marks
anyway good to see hes really having a dip and good on him. you never know.
still i will reserve judgement for the real stuff and when i actually see him play.
I watched the entire game apart from drop outs.
It was griffs best game by far. The man has a sudden bout of self belief.
Contested mRks in the fwd line and plenty of good work in the ruck. Ruckwork is already ahead of Vickery and stephenson
not hard to be in front of vickery when it comes to ruck work. for that matter i dont think it would be too hard to jump past him as a kpf. cmon griffo cmon.
1 Yes
2. Not really
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Well maybe the lightbulb has finally clicked in the coaching team and they will leave him in the forward line.
Funny cause he's spending a fair amount of time rucking and it's finally switched
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i understand they have been trying him in the ruck. bit of a worry playing a bloke who runs from contact and is always injured in the most confronting position on the ground.
Where did you hear this claw? Interesting if this eventuates. With his height and leap he could make a great forward/ruck but as you say he is incredibly injury prone. :-\ Hope he steps up this year and carves out a spot forward. I always imaged him as a CHF using that hoof of his to kick 60m goals and launching it into the forwardline from the wing.
Playing him in the ruck might at least force him to learn how to contest, if nothing else.
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“I was cured all right.”
“Ben like groweth up, oh yes.”
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Looked better than Hampson in the ruck.
If he stays in injury free he could have a big year.
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Never lost faith. Couldnt be bothered going back and finding post saying that our improvement this year will come from the likes of Big Ben (and a couple of others). Like it or not guys but he is one of the Keys to us taking the next step.
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Never doubted him and knew he would come through
Actually that's a lie, I will go post on the help thread
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:clapping :clapping Seems to have lost that jack Watts/Richard tambling timid footballer look and just wants to OWN it.
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Don't want to sound like a wet blanket guys,but pre season form aint worth jack....Lets wait until the real stuff starts before we say anyone has arrived or not
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Don't want to sound like a wet blanket guys,but pre season form aint worth jack....Lets wait until the real stuff starts before we say anyone has arrived or not
True but it's much better to playing well in these games rather than being an uncompetitive amorphous blob!
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Don't want to sound like a wet blanket guys,but pre season form aint worth jack....Lets wait until the real stuff starts before we say anyone has arrived or not
True but it's much better to playing well in these games rather than being an uncompetitive amorphous blob!
Yeah wasn't it fun five years ago smashed from the start of the season right to the end of it
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I hope Ben makes it.He would add so much to this team.But over the years I have seen so many March champions not give a yelp during the season
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just good to see him heading in the direction
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Holy smokes. What a game
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How old is she?
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just good to see him heading in the right direction
Settle down, he's no Kane Johnson.
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still i will reserve judgement for the real stuff and when i actually see him play.
i wonder if folks will take this as literally as they did in the mcdonough thread.
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still i will reserve judgement for the real stuff and when i actually see him play.
i wonder if folks will take this as literally as they did in the mcdonough thread.
Of course they will....it's the internet....
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still i will reserve judgement for the real stuff and when i actually see him play.
i wonder if folks will take this as literally as they did in the mcdonough thread.
draw that bow a little bit more :clapping :clapping what you said in the McDonough thread was pretty stupid, not my problem if you cant man up and say yeah I could've worded it better, instead you choose to go on a predictable off tangent rant
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just good to see him heading in the right direction
Settle down, he's no Kane Johnson.
huh?
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How old is she?
22
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Always been a Griffo fan. Still hasn't done anything yet, lets keep it simple and still nervous about his shoulders but ge I hope he has a good season and gets another year. Would be an enormous waste of talent if he doesn't get the most out of himself.
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Always been a Griffo fan. Still hasn't done anything yet, lets keep it simple and still nervous about his shoulders but ge I hope he has a good season and gets another year. Would be an enormous waste of talent if he doesn't get the most out of himself.
Me too Pope, being saying for years that he is one good pre season away from a break out year.
There will be some serious egg on peoples faces over this.
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Or if he duds it up - Clawski will be smearing egg on your faces like Stevie J smeared poo on him in jail all those years ago. That said, I hope he makes it
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Me too Pope, being saying for years that he is one good pre season away from a break out year.
First things first Chucky - he needs his break-in year before he has his break-out year.
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whats a break- in year?
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Sad thing about Griff is that he could beak his ankle trying to take off his shoe this arvo and it would be game over.
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funny thing is he almost killed possible drug cheat carlise yesterday
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still i will reserve judgement for the real stuff and when i actually see him play.
i wonder if folks will take this as literally as they did in the mcdonough thread.
draw that bow a little bit more :clapping :clapping what you said in the McDonough thread was pretty stupid, not my problem if you cant man up and say yeah I could've worded it better, instead you choose to go on a predictable off tangent rant
oh i have no need to draw that bow a little more tony. i have never gone down that path because i think its small minded and childish and shows your grasping at straws to others.
i have no need to run with a pack either.
seems its more important for some of you to attack and belittle a poster for punctuation rather than debate what is being said.
clearly by the above you understood what was being said but chose to act like well a fool. oh by the way i have admitted twice on thread that yes my wording was incorrect, as it likely will be quite often.
i also said in my reply to you yes you Tony, ( quote /maybe i should have said without seeing more of himi cant put my finger on it). which in itself is an admission of wording my post wrong.
cmon lets be honest here you ignored what was said and went with the pack. you were looking for any little mistake so you could point score. now that is weak.
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Stop bullying me you pack of small-minded d'heads!
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ok on topic. and calling it as it is.
whats he done to date. stuff all.
to date hes been a hack hes lucky to be on the list. lol at all the joy over a praccie match.
lets see when the real stuff begins if this hack can improve. and he better improve or he will be gonski.
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still i will reserve judgement for the real stuff and when i actually see him play.
i wonder if folks will take this as literally as they did in the mcdonough thread.
draw that bow a little bit more :clapping :clapping what you said in the McDonough thread was pretty stupid, not my problem if you cant man up and say yeah I could've worded it better, instead you choose to go on a predictable off tangent rant
oh i have no need to draw that bow a little more tony. i have never gone down that path because i think its small minded and childish and shows your grasping at straws to others.
i have no need to run with a pack either.
seems its more important for some of you to attack and belittle a poster for punctuation rather than debate what is being said.
clearly by the above you understood what was being said but chose to act like well a fool. oh by the way i have admitted twice on thread that yes my wording was incorrect, as it likely will be quite often.
i also said in my reply to you yes you tony, ( quote /maybe i should have said without seeing more of himi cant put my finger on it). which in itself is an admission of wording my post wrong.
cmon lets be honest here you ignored what was said and went with the pack. you were looking for any little mistake so you could point score. now that is weak.
I think you're in no position to be having a crack about attacking and belittling posters. In your last few posts in another thread you've managed to call me dick head, coward, idiot, small minded, literal idiot amongst other things.
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In other news, Big Bad Benny G is set for a great year as long as he keeps his body fit and healthy! :gotigers
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I just assumed.. :huh3
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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:banghead :banghead
SNIP: stick to discussion without the insults and name calling.
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Snip Again :banghead
What is staggering is the very people who in the past have complained about posts getting hijacked are now complaining when we snip.
Can't have it both way folks
And have a re-read of this as well
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=17325.0
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ok on topic. and calling it as it is.
whats he done to date. stuff all.
to date hes been a hack hes lucky to be on the list. lol at all the joy over a praccie match.
lets see when the real stuff begins if this hack can improve. and he better improve or he will be gonski.
Was it not only a couple days ago you said
My mate has a theory 200cms are not sposed to come good until 24
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Couple of days ago he said Nathan Jones was elite
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Snip Again :banghead
What is staggering is the very people who in the past have complained about posts getting hijacked are now complaining when we snip.
Can't have it both way folks
And have a re-read of this as well
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=17325.0
Can't we even have a bit of fun WP? :huh
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Snip Again :banghead
What is staggering is the very people who in the past have complained about posts getting hijacked are now complaining when we snip.
Can't have it both way folks
And have a re-read of this as well
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=17325.0
Can't we even have a bit of fun WP? :huh
No problems with people having a bit of fun.
But when it disintegrates to cheap name calling (eg constantly referring to posters as d'heads, morons, idiots, wankers, which has been the case over the last couple of days then it's unacceptable.
Also the rules about the crude, childish comments have been in place for 12 months. They were introduced for a reason. Which was/is clearly explained
A bit banter and fun is one thing but when comments are simply crude for the sake of being crude and it takes over entire discussions and people have to wade through pages of "crap" (for want of a better term) then it gets snipped
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You guys need to wake up to yourselves
Also Big Benny G will be the new Wayne Carey
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Plugger mk2
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Plugger mk3
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MKR
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MKR
Big Benny = Manu??? :lol
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ok on topic. and calling it as it is.
whats he done to date. stuff all.
to date hes been a hack hes lucky to be on the list. lol at all the joy over a praccie match.
lets see when the real stuff begins if this hack can improve. and he better improve or he will be gonski.
Was it not only a couple days ago you said
My mate has a theory 200cms are not sposed to come good until 24
and that has exactly what to do with what ive said here.
its a theory about blokes clicking at 24 it also means they should show something as they go.its a guide and it should be used with common sense and in conjunction with all other factors. its not there to justify backing in blokes who have shown nothing over 4 yrs..
besides im over having to justify my comments on here. you can either take em as they are meant, or read into em what you like as is the wont of posters around here.. theres also the option to ignore em alltogether i dont care.
me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
truth is with what hes shown hes lucky to survive the cut this yr. they did shop him around and there was no takers.
if i had one word to sum up his career to date it would be dud/ or hack. and he damn well better show some decent improvement and consistency if he wants to survive.
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claw in fairness to people here .what they have seen and what I have seen,are glimpses of a man able to move over the ground like a gazelle(someone who is over 200cm).
An ability to kick a football like no other I have seen in 20 years,and certainly not at our club since jimmy jess.
Yes we have only seen glimpses of these attributes but thats what we are hanging our hats on.whether he can pull it all together is up to him.
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See Jay Schultz
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jay is a a good and accurate kick but I would class griffs kicking as amazing
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See Jay Schultz
as poor as schulzys first 4 or 5 yrs were he showed much more than griffiths in some ways they are chalk and cheese thats how bad griffiths has been.
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me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
I cut him some slack because although he's been on the list 4 years, he was injured for the first 18 months. Shoulder recos take a while to get over. Can't show much when you're not on the park
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me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
I cut him some slack because although he's been on the list 4 years, he was injured for the first 18 months. Shoulder recos take a while to get over. Can't show much when you're not on the park
Griff can run. Griff can jump. Griff can catch. Griff can kick.
Griff gets where the ball aint, although he has improved over the summer.
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ok on topic. and calling it as it is.
whats he done to date. stuff all.
to date hes been a hack hes lucky to be on the list. lol at all the joy over a praccie match.
lets see when the real stuff begins if this hack can improve. and he better improve or he will be gonski.
Was it not only a couple days ago you said
My mate has a theory 200cms are not sposed to come good until 24
and that has exactly what to do with what ive said here.
its a theory about blokes clicking at 24 it also means they should show something as they go.its a guide and it should be used with common sense and in conjunction with all other factors. its not there to justify backing in blokes who have shown nothing over 4 yrs..
besides im over having to justify my comments on here. you can either take em as they are meant, or read into em what you like as is the wont of posters around here.. theres also the option to ignore em alltogether i dont care.
me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
truth is with what hes shown hes lucky to survive the cut this yr. they did shop him around and there was no takers.
if i had one word to sum up his career to date it would be dud/ or hack. and he damn well better show some decent improvement and consistency if he wants to survive.
He is save for at least two more years regardless, remember? :whistle
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Best 22
Eos haters
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Hugely important if we are going to take the next step and be a top four side. Both Griffiths and Elton fall into that category so I hope they both come along…. :pray
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me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
I cut him some slack because although he's been on the list 4 years, he was injured for the first 18 months. Shoulder recos take a while to get over. Can't show much when you're not on the park
Also played mainly in the backline and I think he is a more natural forward and that's where his heart is and where he wants to play. Seems he's got his chance now so it's up to him to grab it.
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me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
I cut him some slack because although he's been on the list 4 years, he was injured for the first 18 months. Shoulder recos take a while to get over. Can't show much when you're not on the park
Also played mainly in the backline and I think he is a more natural forward and that's where his heart is and where he wants to play. Seems he's got his chance now so it's up to him to grab it.
My observation is that he lacks confidence, he needs to take them on, has plenty of talent 2014 is Big Benny G's year....... Go for it mate....
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:clapping
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Over to you, big Ben...
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He just needs to grow the stuff up... But so do a lot of them. Jacky, Vicky....
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Griffiths' need to grow down, not up....
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Griff has gone missing at times in the past so having him play for periods in the ruck will be great for his confidence and force him into the action where his speed, leap and boot can be a weapon. I'm not expecting a massive amount from him up forward for his first game but hope he can outscore the opposition in the ruck and around the ground. I have high hopes. Keep up the preseason for Griffo! :thumbsup
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got a good feeling he will be the man this year
SO LET IT BE WRITTEN
so let it be done
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got a good feeling he will be the man this year
SO LET IT BE WRITTEN
so let it be done
:clapping
I never doubted him for a minute
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me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
I cut him some slack because although he's been on the list 4 years, he was injured for the first 18 months. Shoulder recos take a while to get over. Can't show much when you're not on the park
So our medical staff played him injured during his first season did they? FMD. Did Chutney tell you that.
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me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
I cut him some slack because although he's been on the list 4 years, he was injured for the first 18 months. Shoulder recos take a while to get over. Can't show much when you're not on the park
So our medical staff played him injured during his first season did they? FMD. Did Chutney tell you that.
Where did I say the medics played him injured :huh
I didn't . Claw said he'd shown nothing in 4 years
Just pointed out He had shoulder surgery during his first season. A Shoulder reco and then the other one the following year
So considering he didn't play much in his the first couple of years because of injury, I don't buy the "he's shown nothing in 4 years"
As I said bit hard to show anything when you're not able to get the park
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me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
I cut him some slack because although he's been on the list 4 years, he was injured for the first 18 months. Shoulder recos take a while to get over. Can't show much when you're not on the park
So our medical staff played him injured during his first season did they? FMD. Did Chutney tell you that.
Where did I say the medics played him injured :huh
I didn't . Claw said he'd shown nothing in 4 years
Just pointed out He had shoulder surgery during his first season. A Shoulder reco and then the other one the following year
So considering he didn't play much in his the first couple of years because of injury, I don't buy the "he's shown nothing in 4 years"
As I said bit hard to show anything when you're not able to get the park
You said he was injured for the first 18 months. He played football for Coburg and Richmond in his first season. Therefore you think the medical team said he could play even though he was injured. If he was injured 'for the first 18 months' then he shouldn't have played or trained.
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me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
I cut him some slack because although he's been on the list 4 years, he was injured for the first 18 months. Shoulder recos take a while to get over. Can't show much when you're not on the park
So our medical staff played him injured during his first season did they? FMD. Did Chutney tell you that.
Where did I say the medics played him injured :huh
I didn't . Claw said he'd shown nothing in 4 years
Just pointed out He had shoulder surgery during his first season. A Shoulder reco and then the other one the following year
So considering he didn't play much in his the first couple of years because of injury, I don't buy the "he's shown nothing in 4 years"
As I said bit hard to show anything when you're not able to get the park
You said he was injured for the first 18 months. He played football for Coburg and Richmond in his first season. Therefore you think the medical team said he could play even though he was injured. If he was injured 'for the first 18 months' then he shouldn't have played or trained.
He didn't play late in his first season after he did his shoulder
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me i wouldt be defending a bloke who in 4 yrs has done virtually nothing, with little or no improvement. to date hes been a hack struggling to get a kick at coburg. not sure what you think is wrong with that comment. its a fact. and yes im cynical about praccie match form.
I cut him some slack because although he's been on the list 4 years, he was injured for the first 18 months. Shoulder recos take a while to get over. Can't show much when you're not on the park
So our medical staff played him injured during his first season did they? FMD. Did Chutney tell you that.
Where did I say the medics played him injured :huh
I didn't . Claw said he'd shown nothing in 4 years
Just pointed out He had shoulder surgery during his first season. A Shoulder reco and then the other one the following year
So considering he didn't play much in his the first couple of years because of injury, I don't buy the "he's shown nothing in 4 years"
As I said bit hard to show anything when you're not able to get the park
You said he was injured for the first 18 months. He played football for Coburg and Richmond in his first season. Therefore you think the medical team said he could play even though he was injured. If he was injured 'for the first 18 months' then he shouldn't have played or trained.
He didn't play late in his first season after he did his shoulder
So his first 18 months at Richmond started after he had already played plenty at Coburg and 5 games for Richmond? Or did his first 18 months start in his second year? But that can't be right because he played at both VFL & AFL level that year too.
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he done nothing!
well i seen him kick the ball half the ground more than once
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Griffiths Park.
Got the tools.
Get on board.
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All eyes will be on this lad this season. Lets hope he has a breakout season & gives the fans something to cheer about. Goodluck dog ;D
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thought he did okay no complaints here. maybe the penny is dropping. still a long way to go though.
what amazes me is hardwick subbed him out instead of that uber dud vickery. damien sure has his favorites.
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thought he did okay no complaints here. maybe the penny is dropping. still a long way to go though.
what amazes me is hardwick subbed him out instead of that uber dud vickery. damien sure has his favorites.
:clapping :clapping
:bow
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Yep couldn't believe that. Massive kick in the guts to a guy who was at least trying and had played a reasonable game to that point.
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l agree l would have thought Griiffo would have stayed on & subbed the whining Vickery who has taken over cursing his teammates from Jack
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dont know why he was taken off whilst that tool Vickery got to stay on Vickery was stuff.i.n.g poo all night long.
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cos damien has NFI
CLEARLY
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Glad he got a run at least. Could see the effort was there, leading and chasing. Needs to keep playing.
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l agree l would have thought Griiffo would have stayed on & subbed the whining Vickery who has taken over cursing his teammates from Jack
This is what gets me the most and I noticed it multiple times.
Reckon Lids had noticed it as well
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Vickerys dad hands out the red vest yeh? Keep up guys FFS. All bow to claw. Vickery is a stuffing limp dick. :bow
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wtf Damien >:(
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thought he did okay no complaints here. maybe the penny is dropping. still a long way to go though.
what amazes me is hardwick subbed him out instead of that uber dud vickery. damien sure has his favorites.
I am worried Claw, I am coming around to your dark side way of thinking about big Ty. Think he would have looked a bit more competitve if he at least played in front.
Taking Griffiths off instead of Vickery though, thoughts at the time were WTF
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:clapping
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My main man Big Benny G delivered
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My main man Big Benny G delivered
:clapping
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:clapping
The only guy out there that looked like taking a mark. (except for that sitter) ;D
Great game.
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After he dropped that sitter which cost us a goal, he really stood up as the game went on, took some towering grabs. On ya BBBG
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Big Bad Benny G, take a bow! :clapping
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Really responding well to some faith.
Kid played really well. Rapt for him.
Should be CHF. Can run, lead and kick long. This is his year IMO.
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Impressed. Took another step forward. Keep playing him..
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After he dropped that sitter which cost us a goal, he really stood up as the game went on, took some towering grabs. On ya BBBG
Yep can take the bad with the good when you get the effort and application that this guy gives. Did some really nice things and has matured as a player.
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That mark in the last 47 seconds was the match saver
Well done young man :clapping :clapping
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One of the few on the ground who was taking contested grabs. He played a very good game.
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Like a new recruit :clapping
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Did I mention im part sponsor :whistle
Stupid umpires just about did him a nasty injury :banghead
Big Benny G, could be a real key for us.
Who goes when Maric comes back? which he will!
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that play on call was bewildering.
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that play on call was bewildering.
Awful awful umpiring
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Was the kick touched or something? I couldn't work it out at the ground. Surely it wasn't a play on call?
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pretty sure the mark was payed but the umpire was just a stuffwit with his desire to get the game moving.
Even the grandmaster flog BT questioned it, and he was fapping over carlton all night.
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Big Griff is finally starting to develop into the player we all wanted him to be. Well done to him. He was excellent last night.
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Very good game, best to date.
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StandbyGriffiths
StandbyRoughneck
Best I have seen him play by a long way.
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that play on call was bewildering.
Nearly cost us the stuffing game. Horrible.
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Now we all know l have been a critic of Griffo & last night l seen him play a very good game. He still hears a few footsteps but he is being developed in the right direction. A few games in this fellow will lift his confidence in his body & bring out his ability & it wont be mixed up with his capabilities.
l pay credit when it is dew & Griffiths played a very supportive role last night :clapping
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Now we all know l have been a critic of Griffo & last night l seen him play a very good game. He still hears a few footsteps but he is being developed in the right direction. A few games in this fellow will lift his confidence in his body & bring out his ability & it wont be mixed up with his capabilities.
l pay credit when it is dew & Griffiths played a very supportive role last night :clapping
A bit of a wet comment there Monkie.
:lol
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Now we all know l have been a critic of Griffo & last night l seen him play a very good game. He still hears a few footsteps but he is being developed in the right direction. A few games in this fellow will lift his confidence in his body & bring out his ability & it wont be mixed up with his capabilities.
l pay credit when it is dew & Griffiths played a very supportive role last night :clapping
And that last mark of his saved the game for us.
:cheers
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Just caught the final quarter on Fox. BBBG™ was massive at times and kept us in it :cheers
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Just caught the final quarter on Fox. BBBG™ was massive at times and kept us in it :cheers
I was afraid that we went in too tall.
But Griff and Vickery helped win the game in the last five minutes.
When Rance and Maric are available, bring them in and drop a couple of little blokes.
:thumbsup
:lol
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Just caught the final quarter on Fox. BBBG™ was massive at times and kept us in it :cheers
I was afraid that we went in too tall.
But Griff and Vickery helped win the game in the last five minutes.
When Rance and Maric are available, bring them in and drop a couple of little blokes.
:thumbsup
:lol
I have always felt that we have been going in to games too short! We are now getting a better balance. We just need to get more from the little guys in the team. Guys like Conca, Foley and Shed need to impact on the scoreboard more.
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Now we all know l have been a critic of Griffo & last night l seen him play a very good game. He still hears a few footsteps but he is being developed in the right direction. A few games in this fellow will lift his confidence in his body & bring out his ability & it wont be mixed up with his capabilities.
l pay credit when it is dew & Griffiths played a very supportive role last night :clapping
A bit of a wet comment there Monkie.
:lol
;D
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thought his game better than vickerys despite vickery kicking 4 goals. was a good game but that is about the minimum standard we want from him. still needs to find a bit more ball and impact the scoreboard imo. so far this yr so good.
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Best game he has played. Good on you kid. Keep it up. :thumbsup
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Bloke leaped at everything and took good contested grabs. Can't wait until he kicks a bag!
Must persist with him.
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Geez, just watched the reply and saw all his contested marks. He is finally showing something. Few marks where I thought, geeh I havent seen a big man do that for richmond for a while. If he keeps attacking the ball like this and improving he could easily get better than Vickery and maybe even take his spot. He has nice foot skills too for a big guy ( and a much better than attitude than Vickery from what I have seen )
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reminded me a little bitof when brendon gale first went from CHF to play in the ruck and then started taking some nice grabs around the ground and then became a really good player taking grabs around the ground. needs to keep up the hard work. griff has the tools to succeed.
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I think he has been really impressive and is growing in confidence. His role is obviously as a link player pushing up the wings but I'm like most here and would love to see him begin to take some grab closer to goal. At the moment I think he is trying to play his role and not get in the way of Jack or Ty around the F50. Was also good in the ruck too.
Has a lot of upside this lad. Just wondering what will happen to him once Maric returns......?
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Just read he laid another 5 tackles. If I'm not mistaken Cotchin didn't lay any. Busting his ass for change :thumbsup
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Brain, heart and body in synch?
If that happens look out..
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Bloke leaped at everything and took good contested grabs. Can't wait until he kicks a bag!
Must persist with him.
I the belief keep growing it won't be long.
Can't ignore he crucial marks in defence either.
Hope we've been in touch again with his manager because other clubs will be.
Stocks on the rise..
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Just wondering what will happen to him once Maric returns......?
good questions Stripes - cant see tham playing Maric, Hampson, Vickery and Griffiths - one may miss out - could be Hampson and use Griff as a chop out ruckman.
Intersting dilemma for match committee to have.
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Always liked the Griff, would like to see him go the hoof a bit more instead of the dinky chip kicks though, he can kick long and accurate but seems to be kicking 'handballs' after taking nice grabs for some reason, I mean stuff, he has a boot like a gazelles hoof with a steel trap on it ffs!
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Always liked the Griff, would like to see him go the hoof a bit more instead of the dinky chip kicks though, he can kick long and accurate but seems to be kicking 'handballs' after taking nice grabs for some reason, I mean stuff, he has a boot like a gazelles hoof with a steel trap on it ffs!
Couldn't agree more O wise one, has always been a fave of mine too
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Gunna wear my griff top sat :thumbsup
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Yep one of my faves too!
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I would love to see big Ben make it.and so far so good..With the tiges saying Maric is probably 3 weeks away he's ceretainly going to get time to show his wares..fingers crossed for the boy
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Club needs to be smart right about now and give the young man a 2 year extension to his contract. He is coming along in leaps and bounds and we are seeing big signs. Well done to the young bloke. :clapping
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Him and Flash can hold their heads high today....
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Fantastic, getting better and better
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BBBG! Silencing your critics! :clapping :clapping
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Nice hands off his bootlaces to Titch in the last qtr to set up a goal.
One of the bright spots today.
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BBBG! Silencing your critics! :clapping :clapping
No critics here :shh
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Nice hands off his bootlaces to Titch in the last qtr to set up a goal.
One of the bright spots today.
Yep totally agree. even better game than last week from Big Griff
can clearly recall at least 3 great plays in the last quarter.
- The goal he kicked from 55m out after a good lead and mark.
- the great hands off the bootlaces and quick give to titch to set up the grigg goal as you said.
But by far and away my favourite is actually the least spectacular but is one which you would not be expecting griff to do 3 weeks ago. In the play which lead to the Jack goal to put us in front, griff went back with the flight of the ball in the centre, created a contest and made 2nd and 3rd efforts on the ground to get his hands on the ball to eventually get to ball out to titch who gave it to conca to set up jack with the goal.
coming along in leaps and bounds, keep it up griffo.
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Continues to impress with second efforts and chasing. His long kicking is a weapon.
Has football smarts.
BBBG, keep up the good work. :cheers
Much better value than Tyrone. :shh
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Looking really good in the ruck. Love his second efforts and tackling. Ahead of Vickery by a mile. The kid actually wants to play football. Can't say the same for Ty...
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THOUGHT he was really good in the second half, some of his efforts are going unnoticed by the commentators but often they are resulting in pressure that lead to goals for us. Well done to Griff.
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not knocking him but the next step for him is to find a bit more ball and stay in games a bit more. still has a long way to go but sheesh compared to previous seasons hes looking okay.
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Was reasonably ok in the ruck, far from cementing his spot, he has to be played out of the side to lose his spot and no one is putting up their hand, ...possibly Elton soon
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Is better than Hampson in the ruck. Still has a long way to go but has tools.
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surprised to see he only had 11 touches, seemed to have far more impact on the game than his stats suggest. Thought he worked into it and did some very nice things in the 2nd half
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surprised to see he only had 11 touches, seemed to have far more impact on the game than his stats suggest. Thought he worked into it and did some very nice things in the 2nd half
reckon what you see is him competing and having a go so he seems to be getting bigger stats. would really like to see him on the lead a bit more and really hitting packs more in the fwd 50.
when ivan comes back he should play chf.
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Chrysalis to butterfly. This guy is truly developing.
He and Astbury give some hope.
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Still needs to get involved in the game more.he has very good skills that need to be imposed on a game more
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Maybe but he's getting better every week. 6 tackles last night, some good contested marking and great agility - thought he was cooked mentally before this season.
He's delivering what Dimma expected from Vickery in the ruck/forward role and who knows maybe Elton can do the same in that key forward post.
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Would think Ben is well ahead of Vickery after last night
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Miles ahead. Probably just because he wants to play. We seem to have stolen Ty's motivation by giving him a 2-year contract.
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Maybe but he's getting better every week. 6 tackles last night, some good contested marking and great agility - thought he was cooked mentally before this season.
He's delivering what Dimma expected from Vickery in the ruck/forward role and who knows maybe Elton can do the same in that key forward post.
Yep a classic example of how to stay involved in games when you don't have it on a string, lay tackles, chase, harass take some big grabs at key moments. Isn't leaving anything out there which I love.
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I've always been a huge Griffiths fan. Good White Friars lad.
I like the idea of him rucking, he has a bigger leap than Hampson but tap work not as good. I think with the new Ruck rule with less contact with each other allowing a jump at the ball had allowed Griffiths to add his ruck work to his belt. Has huge potential as a Ruck/KPF for mine.
Think I counted on 3 occasions, Griffiths putting pressure on Jordan Lisle in the back D50 and caused a mistake by Lisle, 1 was out on the full, one was a turn over kick and the other was a tackle where Lisle dropped the ball over the boundary line after having prior opportunity which should have been holding the ball.
Love Benny G. Keep it up son
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This guy actually wants to be a footballer well done to the Big Griff :clapping
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Really enjoying watching the improvement in Griffiths
Just prepared to make contests and give 2nd, 3rd efforts
Still along way to go but great signs
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love his contested marking and line breaking kicks. More important too us than Vickery or even Hampson when Maric returns IMHO.
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Protecting jacks run....
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Have enjoyed seeing his development this year,however one of the criticisms last year,that being that he needs to get involved more still stands at this stage
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Have enjoyed seeing his development this year,however one of the criticisms last year,that being that he needs to get involved more still stands at this stage
He is gradually.....hell, compared to his previous output, he's practically getting leather poisoning.....
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In a year where we have nothing to be proud of, Griff has performed very well
and where are all of those who called for his sacking gone
Probably the same guys who magically appear when titch tambling has his once a year breakout game
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Have enjoyed seeing his development this year,however one of the criticisms last year,that being that he needs to get involved more still stands at this stage
Stats for the game on Thursday…..
6 tackles and 24 pressure acts, 5 I50s.
BBBG - :clapping
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Have enjoyed seeing his development this year,however one of the criticisms last year,that being that he needs to get involved more still stands at this stage
Stats for the game on Thursday…..
6 tackles and 24 pressure acts, 5 I50s.
BBBG - :clapping
Always been a fan of BBBG :clapping
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Can't wait for his next poo game so the chicken little can vickeriah him
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BBBG! Silencing your critics! :clapping :clapping
Yes l'm one of his biggest critics & l'm happy with the way he is going at present. ;D
The best part of his game is, He is now aware of his surroundings & not a danger to himself. He still puts his body in the line of fire, But not like the way he was going about it in previous seasons. His getting smarter & if he gets any smarter ;D He will take Vickery's spot in the team which will force a contest between the 2 big men which is even better for the club ;D
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Richo on Griffs ....
Ben Griffiths made another important team contribution.
Although Griffiths finished with only 11 disposals for the match, he managed to have a significant impact in his role up forward and providing ruck back-up for Shaun Hampson. He had an equal team-high five inside-50 entries, a team-high three goal assists, four marks, and a highly impressive total of 24 pressure acts. I really liked his follow-up efforts at the centre bounces after competing for the hit-outs. On several occasions, he provided the team with a much-needed spark through his athleticism and impressive kicking skills. Griffiths seems to be growing in confidence each time he steps out on the field these days, which is great to see because he clearly has all the tools required to become a key player for the Tigers.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-21/richos-sixpointers-round-5
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2 things that impressed me with Griffo's game on Thursday were his 2nd and 3rd efforts at ruck contests once the ball came to ground, and his intent to make his presence felt in marking contests. Good signs if he continues to show improvement like he has so far this season.
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2 things that impressed me with Griffo's game on Thursday were his 2nd and 3rd efforts at ruck contests once the ball came to ground, and his intent to make his presence felt in marking contests. Good signs if he continues to show improvement like he has so far this season.
Smokey, agreed but I also would say his goal assists were critical - I thought it was 4 goal assists not 3, that big hoof is an definite X factor.
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Can't wait for his next poo game so the chicken little can vickeriah him
Ssshhhh :shh don't tell anyone but I'm hanging around like Jackstar on a RFC four run trot just biding my time
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2 things that impressed me with Griffo's game on Thursday were his 2nd and 3rd efforts at ruck contests once the ball came to ground, and his intent to make his presence felt in marking contests. Good signs if he continues to show improvement like he has so far this season.
Smokey, agreed but I also would say his goal assists were critical - I thought it was 4 goal assists not 3, that big hoof is an definite X factor.
For sure Y&B. That's what's frustrating about Vickery's form this season - Griff improves so to offset that Vickery goes backwards! :banghead
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2 things that impressed me with Griffo's game on Thursday were his 2nd and 3rd efforts at ruck contests once the ball came to ground, and his intent to make his presence felt in marking contests. Good signs if he continues to show improvement like he has so far this season.
Smokey, agreed but I also would say his goal assists were critical - I thought it was 4 goal assists not 3, that big hoof is an definite X factor.
For sure Y&B. That's what's frustrating about Vickery's form this season - Griff improves so to offset that Vickery goes backwards! :banghead
has he really gone backwards or is it people are seeing him for what he is at last. not much has changed from last yr to this yr with vickery. in fact kpis are similar right across his career even 2011 when he kicked 36 goals.
in nearly every area of the game the word for vickery is plateau. unfortunately hes plateaued well below what is good enough.
griffiths has improved but hes at a level where he doesnt want to slip back. any slip backwards will see his game become unacceptable. has to trend upwards, with what he does right now as a minimum.
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Yeah, could be what it is Claw.
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Should've never drafted Vickory and should've played Griffith at CHF and 2nd ruck from the start
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I think Griff is finally reaping the rewards of having that lengthy stint in the Backline in previous seasons. Its made him tougher, stronger and more keen for the footy. I know there are plenty of critics of Dimma's theory of throwing players into the defensive half to grow their defensive skills before focusing on their attack, but I think it has really helped Griff to develop into a pretty decent player.
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I think Griff is finally reaping the rewards of having that lengthy stint in the Backline in previous seasons. Its made him tougher, stronger and more keen for the footy. I know there are plenty of critics of Dimma's theory of throwing players into the defensive half to grow their defensive skills before focusing on their attack, but I think it has really helped Griff to develop into a pretty decent player.
OMG a positive spin on something Hardwick might have done?! :thumbsup
Reverts to 'should have played him at CHF all the time...' blah blah..
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OMG a positive spin on something Hardwick might have done?! :thumbsup
Yeah fancy thinking that The Coach might have a clue.
The arm chair experts on here sometimes need to ...
:cheers
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OMG a positive spin on something Hardwick might have done?! :thumbsup
Yeah fancy thinking that The Coach might have a clue.
The arm chair experts on here sometimes need to ...
:cheers
would have thought as a teacher you would have told your students to finish their sentences. :shh
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Just watching the game again against the Lions, Griff is very important to this side now, really got involved with everything. Must be kept in the side when Maric returns.
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Let's be honest it's not that Griffiths has been that great, in fact he was pretty poor last week against the Hawks.
It's purely that others have had shocking seasons. Week after week, game after game and are still in the side.
I feel for the young bloke a bit was finally getting a run at it but has been dropped again.
Hope he's got some skata in him and has a blinder in the VFL and says FU Dimma.
Let's see..
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Let's be honest it's not that Griffiths has been that great, in fact he was pretty poor last week against the Hawks.
It's purely that others have had shocking seasons. Week after week, game after game and are still in the side.
I feel for the young bloke a bit was finally getting a run at it but has been dropped again.
Hope he's got some skata in him and has a blinder in the VFL and says FU Dimma.
Let's see..
Or he just goes stuff it what's the point. :whistle
But agree that the frustrating part is that he can play one bad game and get dropped whilst others have thrown in 6 and don't even look like getting the arse.
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Let's be honest it's not that Griffiths has been that great, in fact he was pretty poor last week against the Hawks.
It's purely that others have had shocking seasons. Week after week, game after game and are still in the side.
I feel for the young bloke a bit was finally getting a run at it but has been dropped again.
Hope he's got some skata in him and has a blinder in the VFL and says FU Dimma.
Let's see..
:clapping
BINGO!
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Or he just goes stuff it what's the point. :whistle
Well if he does that it would be disappointing from him.
Crazy thing is that the Hawks were clearly the best side we have played so far this year and the delivery i50 by our 'talented' midfield was a combination of bombs and helicopters. Hard for any key forward to have much impact but I hope Griff had a good hard look at how hard Jack worked cause that's where he needs to be.
The Hawks had a picnic running the ball out of the back half and cleared the footy with ease.
I often saw Ben trotting away from the contest in no man's land which has been a problem in the past.
Too often where the ball isn't and not focussed enough on trapping the ball in..
He and Dusty were criminal in this regard. Very poor defensively.
They can't let the Cats do the same so somehow have to restructure the forward line but Vickery is not the answer either..
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Does Vickery have photos or something :banghead Teachers pet or what
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Does Vickery have photos or something :banghead Teachers pet or what
To be fair he was at least dropped for a couple of games.
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Does Vickery have photos or something :banghead Teachers pet or what
To be fair he was at least dropped for a couple of games.
If he has a stinker on Sunday, will he be dropped again?
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Does Vickery have photos or something :banghead Teachers pet or what
To be fair he was at least dropped for a couple of games.
Took close to 2 years but it did happen ;D
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Bloody Pettard should've been dropped
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Bloody Pettard should've been dropped
Chaplin, Petterd and S. Edwards should have been dropped before Griffiths, Grimes and Arnott.
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Does Vickery have photos or something :banghead Teachers pet or what
He has the entire album
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Watching Ben last week and his non chasing.knew he would be dropped
Have no issue with Ben or Arnott going
Although
Grigg and Edwards getting games is a disgrace
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Watching Ben last week and his non chasing.knew he would be dropped
Have no issue with Ben or Arnott going
Although
Grigg and Edwards getting games is a disgrace
as opposed to hampson and chaplin who were chasing heroically?
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No one was chasing last week Jacko. Putting together the whole season for Griff so far, I think he has been hard done by. There have been others who have been crap all season.
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Wondering whether as a result of your Griffiths, Arnots etc getting dropped when they clearly see teammates performing poorly but still getting rewarded its the crux of the culture issue with discontent amongst the squad. I know in a work situation you then are happy to see the "golden boys" fail which really isn't an ideal environment in a team situation
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Wondering whether as a result of your Griffiths, Arnots etc getting dropped when they clearly see teammates performing poorly but still getting rewarded its the crux of the culture issue with discontent amongst the squad. I know in a work situation you then are happy to see the "golden boys" fail which really isn't an ideal environment in a team situation
more jobs for the boys than kim jong un
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Does Vickery have photos or something :banghead Teachers pet or what
To be fair he was at least dropped for a couple of games.
If he has a stinker on Sunday, will he be dropped again?
Quite possibly.
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Watching Ben last week and his non chasing.knew he would be dropped
Have no issue with Ben or Arnott going
Although
Grigg and Edwards getting games is a disgrace
as opposed to hampson and chaplin who were chasing heroically?
Actually Hampson and Chaplin did chase last week
You want to watch Shaun Grigg chase and tackle
He should be dropped as well
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Dropping one player after one poor match and retaining others who have performed badly over an extended period of time is a poor decision which is bound to exacerbate the already poor culture at the club.
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Nothing anyone will say will shed light on the disgrace that is dropping Griffiths.
Did he have a good game last weekend? No. He had a bad game without it being a shocker. Against the Hawks mind you.
Griffiths has had probably 3 very good games 2 good games and 1 bad game. How does that make sense to a dropping?
If we were a top 4 side you'd be saying, stiff Griffo but better players are coming back, he'll get another chance. We are a bottom 8 side 2 and 4 with a side full of pretenders and 1 way runners.
Picking a well out of form, heart not in it, Vickery and a recycled dud in Aaron Edwards over a kid that could be our future CHF is an absolute outrage.
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Unlucky to be dropped but the reaction is akin to Putins invasion. Relax people.
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BBBBBG.
Bring back big bad Benny Griffiths.
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Unlucky to be dropped but the reaction is akin to Putins invasion. Relax people.
Come on! Putin's invasion wasn't that bad!
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Its actually ridiculous.
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Nothing anyone will say will shed light on the disgrace that is dropping Griffiths.
Did he have a good game last weekend? No. He had a bad game without it being a shocker. Against the Hawks mind you.
Griffiths has had probably 3 very good games 2 good games and 1 bad game. How does that make sense to a dropping?
If we were a top 4 side you'd be saying, stiff Griffo but better players are coming back, he'll get another chance. We are a bottom 8 side 2 and 4 with a side full of pretenders and 1 way runners.
Picking a well out of form, heart not in it, Vickery and a recycled dud in Aaron Edwards over a kid that could be our future CHF is an absolute outrage.
Agree 100%
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Stupid , hopefully it doesn't kill his confidence again - I thought Griff and Ashby are the only improvements on last year
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(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/02/13/1226005/143803-hardwick.jpg)
:banghead
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Nothing anyone will say will shed light on the disgrace that is dropping Griffiths.
Did he have a good game last weekend? No. He had a bad game without it being a shocker. Against the Hawks mind you.
Griffiths has had probably 3 very good games 2 good games and 1 bad game. How does that make sense to a dropping?
If we were a top 4 side you'd be saying, stiff Griffo but better players are coming back, he'll get another chance. We are a bottom 8 side 2 and 4 with a side full of pretenders and 1 way runners.
Picking a well out of form, heart not in it, Vickery and a recycled dud in Aaron Edwards over a kid that could be our future CHF is an absolute outrage.
sorry pope but i disagree.
griffiths showed improvment and a willingness to have a real go. most of his games have been barely passable lets say servicable.
he had to be in some sort of strife if he dropped away.
dont get me wrong here. apart from last week i think hes shown enough to be played and we continue to get games into him and hope he continues to trend up in the main. i dont think one stinker should see him dropped. but i dont think hes been some great revelation either like most are making him out to be.
im against bringing vickery back in as well he hasnt improved a thing or really earnt a recall. some may argue this based on last week and a few nice stats.
personally, knowing we will atm get less out of him, id play elton instead of vickery. keep griffiths and structure up with the three talls and have azza edwards play as a marking medium who will be tough to match up on. im happy to lose a little now to gain hopefully a lot down the track.
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Nothing anyone will say will shed light on the disgrace that is dropping Griffiths.
Did he have a good game last weekend? No. He had a bad game without it being a shocker. Against the Hawks mind you.
Griffiths has had probably 3 very good games 2 good games and 1 bad game. How does that make sense to a dropping?
If we were a top 4 side you'd be saying, stiff Griffo but better players are coming back, he'll get another chance. We are a bottom 8 side 2 and 4 with a side full of pretenders and 1 way runners.
Picking a well out of form, heart not in it, Vickery and a recycled dud in Aaron Edwards over a kid that could be our future CHF is an absolute outrage.
sorry pope but i disagree.
griffiths showed improvment and a willingness to have a real go. most of his games have been barely passable lets say servicable.
he had to be in some sort of strife if he dropped away.
dont get me wrong here. apart from last week i think hes shown enough to be played and we continue to get games into him and hope he continues to trend up in the main. i dont think one stinker should see him dropped. but i dont think hes been some great revelation either like most are making him out to be.
im against bringing vickery back in as well he hasnt improved a thing or really earnt a recall. some may argue this based on last week and a few nice stats.
personally, knowing we will atm get less out of him, id play elton instead of vickery. keep griffiths and structure up with the three talls and have azza edwards play as a marking medium who will be tough to match up on. im happy to lose a little now to gain hopefully a lot down the track.
I am finding I am agreeing with you more and more claw. Not sure if that's a worry or not!
But hey, I would love them to bring in Elton too and give him half a dozen games to see if we can improve him. He and Griffiths and McBean are our talls and need to be played to develop them although the latter needs more body development time before he plays seniors. Happy to go backwards to go forwards too. :thumbsup
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Just my 2 cents worth here.I think Griff has shown significant improvement on last year,however I think he has some glaring faults .One being his intensity .Two his willingness to get involved.This kid has all the skills and more ,he just needs to get hungry .At this stage I aint sure he has that in his DNA
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Funny how we all see things differently Gigantor. Up until the end of last season I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you, but I've seen a big improvement fro Griff in the intensity stakes thus far this season.
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Amen to that Tony(that we see things differently)
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Players can be dropped for a reason off the football field. It happens at Richmond ;D
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Just my 2 cents worth here.I think Griff has shown significant improvement on last year,however I think he has some glaring faults .One being his intensity .Two his willingness to get involved.This kid has all the skills and more ,he just needs to get hungry .At this stage I aint sure he has that in his DNA
The thing the that shytes me - is the like of Chaplin hampson Vickery types playing with high intensity
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Just my 2 cents worth here.I think Griff has shown significant improvement on last year,however I think he has some glaring faults .One being his intensity .Two his willingness to get involved.This kid has all the skills and more ,he just needs to get hungry .At this stage I aint sure he has that in his DNA
The thing the that shytes me - is the like of Chaplin hampson Vickery types playing with high intensity
the only high intensity they are on, is from the goanna oil the rub on themselves ;D
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:bow
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Good response by BBBG! :cheers :clapping :clapping
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If Vickery can get a recall for a 3 goal purple patch then Griff is a shoe in this week!
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It's the culture of rewarding mediocrity which has put the club where it is today, Griffiths should be picked, unless of course Vickery plays a blinder which is highly unlikely.
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Well done Griffo. Vindicates everyone's opinion that it was a joke a an omission.
Vickery and Edwards would both wanna kick 5 each.
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Well done Griffo. Vindicates everyone's opinion that it was a joke a an omission.
Here's certainly let the coaches/selectors know it was a mistake in the best possible way. Well done Griffs.
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Good on ya griff showing them all what a ridicvulous decision it was to get dropped.
Don't hold your breath, but if he is not recalled I will go into meltdown after Vickery was recalled for a lot less.
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Shouldn't have been dropped!
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Shouldn't have been dropped!
Agree. We might have won if he'd played ahead of Azwards.
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Gee whiz
Mark of the year page 53 on the hun
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Gee whiz
Mark of the year page 53 on the hun
Watch it here http://t.co/aTA4L5n8Ua
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Whoah.
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This is why he needs to play. Clearly a better lead up forward than Vickery. Just doesn't get targeted enough IMO.
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Ben 'Royce' Griffith
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Joke that Vickery gets games and this bloke doesn't. :banghead
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-05-05/vfl-highlights-griffiths (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-05-05/vfl-highlights-griffiths)
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Joke that Vickery gets games and this bloke doesn't. :banghead
Lets just say there will be fireworks if he's not recalled straight after the bye in lieu of vickery getting recalled for less.
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He ll come in for azza I'd say :shh
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He ll come in for azza I'd say :shh
Jumping off Az so quickly bo? ;D
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"Bring Back the Griff!!"
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"Bring Back the Griff!!"
Yesssssss :bow
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BBBBBG!!!!
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If he isn't recalled then they're a pack of clueless shitmen
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Most score assists :clapping
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Richmond/Files/Rd6VFLstats.pdf
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How many opposition managers will be in this guy's ear?
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Jake carlse stats
0 0 0 0 0 0
8)
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If there is a day for a player to make his mark on the game its Today.
Today you get your chance to prove your talent. No excuses anymore. :gotigers
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If there is a day for a player to make his mark on the game its Today.
Today you get your chance to prove your talent. No excuses anymore. :gotigers
Should play FF. Jack up the ground as high HF. Give the guy room. Dees don't have defender to match.
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Hopeless yesterday
Gave absolute nothing
Even players like Max Gawn beat him in contests
Looks like Tarzan .plays like Jane
His shot at goal in the last quarter on the run summed up his ability
Not up to AFL level
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What happened to the VFL form shown last week? This guy is a head case and more commonly known as a coach killer.
Must really doubt his ability to play at the top level.
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he was shocking yesterday.
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5 kicks one handball says enough
Just play McBean each week
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Funny how we all see things differently Gigantor. Up until the end of last season I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you, but I've seen a big improvement fro Griff in the intensity stakes thus far this season.
Seen no improvement
Max Gawn who can't play beat him easily yesterday
Forget about him
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He had a bad game but still shows a lot more than vickery. persist with him
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If you watched the VFL game yesterday then you will realise McBean is a long way from senior footy.
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Unlike hampson Chaplin who are solid :clapping
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How did you rate him compared to Jack and Vickery? Personally think he was better than both. Vickery can't hold a mark and is soft. Jack really needs to have a good think about the way he cans the delivery he gets as his highballs to the opposition were horrible.
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Unlike hampson Chaplin who are solid :clapping
Last time I looked .this thread is named Ben Griffiths
Not Chaplin and Hampson
For my 2 cents .chaplin lost the plot .and Hampson needs a knee op
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He needs to be left in the side, in the forward line and ruck (limited time) for the rest of the season!!!!!
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Unlike hampson Chaplin who are solid :clapping
Last time I looked .this thread is named Ben Griffiths
Not Chaplin and Hampson
For my 2 cents .chaplin lost the plot .and Hampson needs a knee op
Its all related
Which kpp
Is least awful
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How did you rate him compared to Jack and Vickery? Personally think he was better than both. Vickery can't hold a mark and is soft. Jack really needs to have a good think about the way he cans the delivery he gets as his highballs to the opposition were horrible.
Vickery hopeless
Should of subbed him off
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He needs to be left in the side, in the forward line and ruck (limited time) for the rest of the season!!!!!
Cannot possibly get a game next week
Play Elton
Play anyone
Can't play Griffiths
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Griffiths is no worse than Chaplin or hampson
Try and argue to me he is
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How did you rate him compared to Jack and Vickery? Personally think he was better than both. Vickery can't hold a mark and is soft. Jack really needs to have a good think about the way he cans the delivery he gets as his highballs to the opposition were horrible.
Vickery hopeless
Should of subbed him off
But how did you rate him compared to the other two tall fowards?
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What other 2 forwards..what forwardline?
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Unlike hampson Chaplin who are solid :clapping
Last time I looked .this thread is named Ben Griffiths
Not Chaplin and Hampson
For my 2 cents .chaplin lost the plot .and Hampson needs a knee op
dont make up excuses for hampson he has been poo and has been a complete waste of space on richmonds list
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Griffiths was poor yesterday but he had plenty of mates. He didn't deserve to be dropped he lost his spot to Aaron Edwards and Vickery who are both soft cheats.
He nails 2 of those goals and we probably win and we sing his praises again and how good his season is being. He was given the burden of the ruck duties because of the failure of Hampson. Vickery gave nothing.
Think we are being a bit harsh on Griffiths, wasn't a good game but when Hardwick plays 'YO-YO' with your career do you blame him being a bit inconsistent. If Griffths was given the ride Vickery has had he'd be on par with Taylor Walker or Chris Mayne in my opinion.
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Griffiths needs to roam that forward line by himself. Vickery has no idea how to be a forward as he is always behind the pack. Melbourne players taking marks in front of them was a joke. Paul Roos would have been telling them to get in front & cut him off by marking the ball.
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l cant remember seeing Vickery get the ball yesterday
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l cant remember seeing Vickery get the ball yesterday
I can remember him getting near it.
If Sickery gets lucky he might touch it next week.
Griff disappointed me by having a few shots at goal where he kicked like he was chipping out of bunker rather than kicking the skin off the footy and using his strength. Could have ended up with 3 goals from limited opportunities that could have made his game more acceptable and possibly changed the result. I am in no way blaming him for the loss but the way he took a few shots at goal in the last quarter he looked confused and unsure and that overall is what is lost on a lot of players is they are thinking unnaturally to their footy abilities. Don't know if its instructive or just a confidence thing.
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Vickery 12 disposals
Griffiths 6
Surely you can remember Vickery kicking the ball to the opposition in the last quarter when there wasn't a Richmond player inside F 50
Laughable
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Vickery 12 disposals
Griffiths 6
Surely you can remember Vickery kicking the ball to the opposition in the last quarter when there wasn't a Richmond player inside F 50
Laughable
No l never seen that, l had left before the 3/4 time siren ;D
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Got a theory about playing as a forward
If you can't get more than 12 possessions you shouldn't get a game
It isn't hard to get involved in the game when playing forward of the ball
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Got a theory about playing as a forward
If you can't get more than 12 possessions you shouldn't get a game
It isn't hard to get involved in the game when playing forward of the ball
Most forwards lead their defenders to the contest. Somehow our's tend to think its better to be at the back of the pack.
don't think l ever seen a game in my life at any level where the backline totally dominated the air. further more our players are scared of being hurt & don't wanna crash the packs let alone get under the ball. l wouls really like to see Griffiths given the FF position & let alone to roam the forward with the likes of Martin, Lennon, & Miles under him. Change the whole forward line.
Rewoldt well l would drop him also. got nothing to lose he ain't kicked many this last month
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Griffiths is no worse than Chaplin or hampson
Try and argue to me he is
reckon thats the problem judge.
jvickery was again poor jriewoldt hardly touched it griffiths imo was better than vickery even though he didnt get as much ball but its not that chaplin continues to make simple errors rance while having a dip as usual makes too many errors of judgment hampson isnt doing a thing around the ground but he continues to ruck well. we got belted in stoppages when we subbed him out.
our talls as a collective are the problem its not just one its a collective. go compare the work rate to pederson and dawes. they dont have huge numbers but they worked their butts off and competed and gave contests all day.
the troubling thing is there are very few options for us to change things this is why i have been going on about list managment so much, its not the regular 22 its the 2nd 22 where list management counts. sadly we dont have the ability to change too much structurally because we have been negligent in the management of player types.
it will get worse now as well astbury gone and there is only grimes to come in.
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he was crap yesterday but the club has ruined his confidence. Bunch of wankers
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he was crap yesterday but the club has ruined his confidence. Bunch of wankers
He looks like a superstar in the VFL previous week
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Made seven tackles, as for his possession count, don't really care, he's not a midfielder - he game was poo because he didn't convert his chances. Had he kicked 3.0 rather than 0.3 he would've done his job. Keep playing him.
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Made seven tackles, as for his possession count, don't really care, he's not a midfielder - he game was poo because he didn't convert his chances. Had he kicked 3.0 rather than 0.3 he would've done his job. Keep playing him.
:clapping
Should have had another shot in the first and got himself in trouble trying to be unselfish. Bring on more selfish Griff. Shame it didn't come off.
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I'd keep him in ahead of Vickery thats for sure.
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Guess what
World record game of stoppages yesterday which means stacks on the mill tackles are total garbage
Wasn't a free paid in first 12 mins but had 25 ball ups
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Guess what
World record game of stoppages yesterday which means stacks on the mill tackles are total garbage
Wasn't a free paid in first 12 mins but had 25 ball ups
chris dawes only had 10 possesions for the game yet his game was excellent. both vickery and griffiths were very guilty of going missing for huge chunks of the game. at least griffiths worked without the ball.
the team is screaming out for a chris dawes a bloke who just presents and works and competes all the time you know even if he doesnt get the ball he will give a contest and chase.daws is no world beater but hes a damn better player than the two mentioned.
simply put we cant go with both vickery and griffiths for me id take griffiths every day of the week atm.
we need a kpf and we need a tall fwd as well like jack gunston. i believe in the 3 tall structure that most sides go with but not if the players are statues and that is what vickery is most of the time.
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Guess what
World record game of stoppages yesterday which means stacks on the mill tackles are total garbage
Wasn't a free paid in first 12 mins but had 25 ball ups
What is a tackle?
There is a reason for this.
Stats have Ben Lennon having NO TACKLES.
THIS IS A FARCE.
I saw him lay multiple tackles.
The stats have now lost me forever, they arent remotely accurate.
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Jack star.
I know this is the Griffiths thread. But we only have 45 odd players to pick from. Not an a unlimited amount. Hence it is important to compare the like of Chaplin (griff can play back) or Hampson (griff can pay ruck) in order to work out who I the most shyte and what effect such people will have on the long term future of the club
Made seven tackles, as for his possession count, don't really care, he's not a midfielder - he game was poo because he didn't convert his chances. Had he kicked 3.0 rather than 0.3 he would've done his job. Keep playing him.
Griffs tackles and 'pressure acts' are always very high and off the charts for a kPp
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Guess what
World record game of stoppages yesterday which means stacks on the mill tackles are total garbage
Wasn't a free paid in first 12 mins but had 25 ball ups
What is a tackle?
There is a reason for this.
Stats have Ben Lennon having NO TACKLES.
THIS IS A FARCE.
I saw him lay multiple tackles.
The stats have now lost me forever, they arent remotely accurate.
Lennon laded at least one very good tackle but the umpires seems to not enforce certain rules ie. correct dispels of the ball, prior opportunity to before being tackled
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He was really disappointing yesterday. Half arsed token efforts to chase and tackle. For someone who has so much to prove, he gave very little. What give me the sh$ts is these blokes are playing for their futures and they give that sort of effort. They seem just to be waiting for someone else to do it.
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He was really disappointing yesterday. Half arsed token efforts to chase and tackle. For someone who has so much to prove, he gave very little. What give me the sh$ts is these blokes are playing for their futures and they give that sort of effort. They seem just to be waiting for someone else to do it.
Freo celebrate Pavlich's 300th game victory and Fyfe is killing it and will be an elite player of the competition.
Whilst we lament what might have been with Pavlich, at Richmond we also get enjoy the contrasting careers of Griffiths (pick 19 '09) & Fyfe (pick 20 '09).
It's always exciting at Richmond. We get to see the great strides players make that we didn't pick whilst we get to see first hand the indifferent careers of the would've-been stars at our great club.
There's never a dull moment. :rollin
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Punt road. Regional Breeding of mediocrity and potentiality incapacitation
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He was really disappointing yesterday. Half arsed token efforts to chase and tackle. For someone who has so much to prove, he gave very little. What give me the sh$ts is these blokes are playing for their futures and they give that sort of effort. They seem just to be waiting for someone else to do it.
Freo celebrate Pavlich's 300th game victory and Fyfe is killing it and will be an elite player of the competition.
Whilst we lament what might have been with Pavlich, at Richmond we also get enjoy the contrasting careers of Griffiths (pick 19 '09) & Fyfe (pick 20 '09).
It's always exciting at Richmond. We get to see the great strides players make that we didn't pick whilst we get to see first hand the indifferent careers of the would've-been stars at our great club.
There's never a dull moment. :rollin
I'm sure Griff would be a giant of the comp now if he were at Freo and Fyfe would be a hack who can't hit targets at Richmond.... >:(
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Richmond needed a tall in 2009 & had plenty of mid type players to choose from. We had Shane Edwards, & Foley, ;D
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Reckon a few guys including griff would indeed be better under Ross Lyon.
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Griff was going OK, but went totally missing in the last quarter. Did anyone see him on the ground?
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Playing better than Vickery. Like him a lot.
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Playing better than Vickery. Like him a lot.
Yep, but Vickery wasn't all that bad today. Took some nice grabs and a goal assist if i remember.
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Playing better than Vickery. Like him a lot.
Yep, but Vickery wasn't all that bad today. Took some nice grabs and a goal assist if i remember.
:gobdrop
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Playing better than Vickery. Like him a lot.
Yep, but Vickery wasn't all that bad today. Took some nice grabs and a goal assist if i remember.
:gobdrop
Vickery's game was not as bad as the others this year, maybe watch the game again. Not saying we shouldn't drop him because his year has been pathetic but i am saying watch it again. What i saw were some nice tackles and grabs. 2 goals not bad either.
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Was happy with what i saw from benny g today.
Will do some damage when he kicks straight +50.
Backline kick out every 4th - 5th time would be a risk worth taking. massive kick in him!
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Griffiths booming goal is what everyone wants to see most weeks :thumbsup
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Fast Fact: Ben Griffiths is ranked equal sixth in the competition for contested marks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-30/richmond-v-essendon-preview
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Fast Fact: Ben Griffiths is ranked equal sixth in the competition for contested marks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-30/richmond-v-essendon-preview
That's pretty impressive, something we definitely need in our side.
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will bag 4 tonight
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From CHF
Lennon - Griff
Morris - jack - maric
Firepower forward line :shh
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From CHF
Lennon - Griff
Morris - jack - maric
Firepower forward line :shh
Will also find it hard to keep the ball in the fwd line..
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From CHF
Lennon - Griff
Morris - jack - maric
Firepower forward line :shh
Will also find it hard to keep the ball in the fwd line..
True, but that is where Morris and the midfield group that float forward come in.
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From CHF
Lennon - Griff
Morris - jack - maric
Firepower forward line :shh
Will also find it hard to keep the ball in the fwd line..
With Shane Edwards and griggster swoopin in from the wings like Diego Costa and Russell Westbrook I envision no such issues
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Would prefer Lloyd in the forward over Shed
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Would prefer Banfumbles over Shankwards.
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Honestly
Isn't and never will be a good afl player
He can't even get to the ball to make a turnover
At least other duds get near it
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Go back to Essendon you idiot
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Just sit him in the square and bomb it long, Tom Hafey style.....
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10 minutes to go in the last and that was the worst effort I have seen all night. Griffiths you are hard to like.
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Wont make it at Richmond. Needs to go to a new club IMHO.
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Had a decent start to the year.
Will be a decent forward structure and game plan
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Went missing today but then entire team did too.
| Players | D | K | M | H | CP | UP | T | G | B | GB | FF | FA | HO | CL |
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| Ben Griffiths | 6 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0 |
6 disposals, 1 mark. For a guy who is the 6th best contested mark he didn't have a good night.
I think it highlights how bad we need a half forward and why Travis Cloke playing as bad as he is is worth $1m, because he gives them an out kick and he's strong enough to handle 2 defenders. This forces defences to adjust around him, we don't have that and Jack had 2 or 3 defenders on him whenever it did come in to him, until junk time.
Griff or TV need to toughen up.
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By far our worst tonight. Just didn't seem interested.
Hope he gets dropped. Efforts like this shouldn't be tolerated.
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By far our worst tonight. Just didn't seem interested.
Hope he gets dropped. Efforts like this shouldn't be tolerated.
And yet Grigg & Hampson play every week. The deleivery to the forwards was the worst I have ever seen from any footy club :banghead
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By far our worst tonight. Just didn't seem interested.
Hope he gets dropped. Efforts like this shouldn't be tolerated.
And yet Grigg & Hampson play every week. The deleivery to the forwards was the worst I have ever seen from any footy club :banghead
Grigg did an ok job on Heppell. Kept him to 15 odd touches.
Hampson is a dud.
But the EFFORT tonight of Griff was pathetic. Soft as a marshmallow!
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Agreed, i've been a supporter but he was awful tonight. No intensity. Needs to be dropped. Bring in Elton.
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By far our worst tonight. Just didn't seem interested.
Hope he gets dropped. Efforts like this shouldn't be tolerated.
And yet Grigg & Hampson play every week. The deleivery to the forwards was the worst I have ever seen from any footy club :banghead
Grigg did an ok job on Heppell. Kept him to 15 odd touches.
Hampson is a dud.
But the EFFORT tonight of Griff was pathetic. Soft as a marshmallow!
Yes he was very poor tonight but has shown something this season. Spare me with the Grigg did an ok job tonight on Heppell. Only plays for himself if you watch his game closely. You need a run with player to still work for the team and get the ball when its his turn to go or tackle players when he has a chance, not just run next to Heppell all night and say at the end, look I kept him to 21 today, did my job, please...
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By far our worst tonight. Just didn't seem interested.
Hope he gets dropped. Efforts like this shouldn't be tolerated.
And yet Grigg & Hampson play every week. The deleivery to the forwards was the worst I have ever seen from any footy club :banghead
Grigg did an ok job on Heppell. Kept him to 15 odd touches.
Hampson is a dud.
But the EFFORT tonight of Griff was pathetic. Soft as a marshmallow!
Yes he was very poor tonight but has shown something this season. Spare me with the Grigg did an ok job tonight on Heppell. Only plays for himself if you watch his game closely. You need a run with player to still work for the team and get the ball when its his turn to go or tackle players when he has a chance, not just run next to Heppell all night and say at the end, look I kept him to 21 today, did my job, please...
Grigg was ok. Griff was putrid. I don't like either. Griff needs to be dropped after that effort. And Vickory shouldn't come in either. Play Elton like someone else said.
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Very poor tonight and a step back to previous seasons. Having said that I was surprised he wasn't given a lengthy run in the ruck to at least get him in the play but Hampson had that 2nd ruck role tonight with Maric back.
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Very poor tonight and a step back to previous seasons. Having said that I was surprised he wasn't given a lengthy run in the ruck to at least get him in the play but Hampson had that 2nd ruck role tonight with Maric back.
Griffiths best footy is a 2nd ruck option in my opinion.
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Griffiths is no worse than Chaplin or hampson
Try and argue to me he is
reckon thats the problem judge.
jvickery was again poor jriewoldt hardly touched it griffiths imo was better than vickery even though he didnt get as much ball but its not that chaplin continues to make simple errors rance while having a dip as usual makes too many errors of judgment hampson isnt doing a thing around the ground but he continues to ruck well. we got belted in stoppages when we subbed him out.
our talls as a collective are the problem its not just one its a collective. go compare the work rate to pederson and dawes. they dont have huge numbers but they worked their butts off and competed and gave contests all day.
the troubling thing is there are very few options for us to change things this is why i have been going on about list managment so much, its not the regular 22 its the 2nd 22 where list management counts. sadly we dont have the ability to change too much structurally because we have been negligent in the management of player types.
it will get worse now as well astbury gone and there is only grimes to come in.
how poor were our talls again as a collective group.
griffiths imo has been better than vickery but in saying that hes barely been passable. this is the problem right across the board.
griffiths has not had a big drop off in form its been a slight drop off from the very low barely passable form he was displaying. didnt take much for him to become a total liability.
the lack of aggression and intensity in his game continues to be alarming.
who do we play with riewoldt.
vickery,griffiths elton, reckon its time to give elton a go if for no other reason than to get a game into him. play azza edwards as well and plonk griffiths on the pine as the second ruck.
our trouble is we dont have one viable option to bring into the team. list management eh.
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Shocking tonight but wasn't alone
But was a lot better when Hampson was subbed out and they opened up the F50
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Very poor tonight and a step back to previous seasons. Having said that I was surprised he wasn't given a lengthy run in the ruck to at least get him in the play but Hampson had that 2nd ruck role tonight with Maric back.
Wrong
He played to his ability
He is very very limited
No tackle pressure
Not footy smart
Useless below his knees
Not good enough
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Very poor tonight and a step back to previous seasons. Having said that I was surprised he wasn't given a lengthy run in the ruck to at least get him in the play but Hampson had that 2nd ruck role tonight with Maric back.
Wrong
He played to his ability
He is very very limited
No tackle pressure
Not footy smart
Useless below his knees
Not good enough
back to where l said he is not up to AFL football. He don't use his brain cause he don't know
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Very poor tonight and a step back to previous seasons. Having said that I was surprised he wasn't given a lengthy run in the ruck to at least get him in the play but Hampson had that 2nd ruck role tonight with Maric back.
Wrong
He played to his ability
He is very very limited
No tackle pressure
Not footy smart
Useless below his knees
Not good enough
Ito say Griffiths have no tackle pressure using the season as a whole is incorrect.
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Didn't you watch last night
Fletcher made him look stupid
He clearly isn't up to it
CLEARLY
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Truth be told I did not.
Hence I am using the season thus far as my base to form my opinion as a big man, griffs tackling and pressure is above average
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Griffith has had his head chopped off ;D back to the FVFL (Failed Victorian Footballers League) ;D
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No coincidence he didn't really get involved until Hamspud was subbed. (Not that he was any good when he did , but still....) Seems to have lost all confidence in his kicking too....a bloke with a 70 m boot passing it off within 50 off goal? IIRC Had at least two kick-outs as well and only kicked it 20 towards the boundary both times.
Like lobbing hand grenades at tanks when you're carrying a panzerfaust.
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No coincidence he didn't really get involved until Hamspud was subbed. (Not that he was any good when he did , but still....) Seems to have lost all confidence in his kicking too....a bloke with a 70 m boot passing it off within 50 off goal? IIRC Had at least two kick-outs as well and only kicked it 20 towards the boundary both times.
Like lobbing hand grenades at tanks when you're carrying a panzerfaust.
Our development of smalls is average and the less said about the talls the better. I think we should all resign ourselves to the fact we will be poo forever, no matter who works at the club. Something stinks.
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He had a bad game and was coached badly -he was on his own against three many times. Should have but on the ball or played him up the ground
Disappointing but IMHO has more than enough ability to make it at AFL level. He might need a couple of weeks in the 2's to learn to do the 1%ers again.
The great negative - They Come, They Come
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He has had plenty of chances Griffiths, still think he's worth persisting but we have handled him poorly. He has had his best season so far, yet in 9 round he'll be dropped for a 2nd time.
We are a basketcase.
Deserves to be dropped after last night, but his axing after the game against Hawthorn was a joke, can't blame him for being mentally weak because we have the muppets running our football department.
Some players have to play perfect games of football week in week out to string 3-4 games together yet players like Grigg, Edwards, Houli, Vickery (up until recently) can have poor month after poor month with no accountability.
#basketcase
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Tigeritis development in full swing.
It's been worth every cent the money that's been kindly donated to the FTF by loyal fans.
:clapping :clapping
:gotigers
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Was very poor last night.
Love what he can bring to the table but just doesn't show it often enough. Having the likes of Grigg and co. zig zagging the ball down to you doesn't help.
Needs to play in a winning team - our VFL team!!
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The delivery into the forward line was horrible...not surprised Ben ( and jack) struggled to get a kick.
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I still think it's worth persevering with him because the club hasn't developed him properly and he's having to experience the steep learning curve of figuring stuff out himself. We kicked 3 goals up until 3/4 time so it's not like he had his chances. As someone mentioned earlier, he probably should be thrown in the ruck to get him a bit involved when there's zero supply to the F50 because he's not a bad ruckman
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If the kid is fit play him regardless.
Have to work out 100% whether the kid has what it takes at AFL level one way or another.
I say play him for the rest of the year.
Sickery has had his chances.
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I agree, play him every game in, or else next year hell be playing for sydney or geelong
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I reckon give him a crack down back to fill Astbury's spot and see how he goes. Season is over, time to start experimenting with kids. If they don't make that move, bring in Elton to fill Astbury.
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I agree we need to keep playing him but if he wants to be the man at CHF he has got to lift his work rate by about 250%.
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I agree we need to keep playing him but if he wants to be the man at CHF he has got to lift his work rate by about 250%.
I hope he reads comments like these because they hit the nail on the head. :clapping
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Frustrating thing is when the forwards do lead for the ball the midfields give off a extra 2-3 handballs before they even think about kicking it forward. vy that time that ball is going back the other way turned over. How the hell is any player meant to read poo like that. Frustrating watching it at the game cause when l see it on the replay it don't show what's happening up the ground.
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Sure he had a stinker on sat night, but I find talk of him not working hard enough puzzling. Regularly lays tackles, chases harasses more than any other tall fwd we have
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Sure he had a stinker on sat night, but I find talk of him not working hard enough puzzling. Regularly lays tackles, chases harasses more than any other tall fwd we have
Agree Tony. He was far from the worst this week and has shown he is willing to do the chasing. Some on here just seem to pick particular players and never let up on them despite there being many that are way down on the standards that should be set. You only hear form these posters when we loose or the player they dislike has a bad one. To me he has been our best foward this year and that includes Jack. Some forget that it was game number 28 for Ben, and that he is 200cm tall. These guys take time.
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Sure he had a stinker on sat night, but I find talk of him not working hard enough puzzling. Regularly lays tackles, chases harasses more than any other tall fwd we have
well he didn't do much in the 1st half from what l seen l big kick to lalallalalalalas
best forward Fluffy Tiger ;D How many goals has he kicked in the seniors. Why was he dropped. He has no idea in that brain of his on Saturday night. He was found out by not doing the hard work required to by a AFL forward. his standard at present is VFL
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I said better for the year, Jack has had one game but apart from that I think Ben has been better than Jack in more games. It not just goals Tigermonk. Who has been better in the foward line?
Now thats sad, "Who has been better than Ben?" is a question that makes me sad.
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I said better for the year, Jack has had one game but apart from that I think Ben has been better than Jack in more games. It not just goals Tigermonk. Who has been better in the foward line?
Now thats sad, "Who has been better than Ben?" is a question that makes me sad.
Don't be sad :'( ;D They all dopey down the forward end but if l had to say who has tryed the hardest & stood out l would have to say Shane Edwards :lol
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Sure he had a stinker on sat night, but I find talk of him not working hard enough puzzling. Regularly lays tackles, chases harasses more than any other tall fwd we have
Defensively I'd agree he's ok. Where Ben needs to improve dramatically is his offensive work rate.
Just doesn't push to anywhere near enough contests and his willingness to present time and time again with fast leads to open space just isn't there yet.
Needs to look at guys like Nick R, Cloke and Richo to see how hard they work to win the footy,
Hopefully will come with time. We have to persevere with him. He certainly has the tools to do it.
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Agree needs to lift his work rate. Definitely worth persisting. Have too many talls in side at moment. Would drop Hampson. Have Maric in ruck and Griffiths goes into ruck when resting Maric in forwardline.
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Has potential
Vast untapped resources of potential
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Games games games
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Sure he had a stinker on sat night, but I find talk of him not working hard enough puzzling. Regularly lays tackles, chases harasses more than any other tall fwd we have
Agree Tony. He was far from the worst this week and has shown he is willing to do the chasing. Some on here just seem to pick particular players and never let up on them despite there being many that are way down on the standards that should be set. You only hear form these posters when we loose or the player they dislike has a bad one. To me he has been our best foward this year and that includes Jack. Some forget that it was game number 28 for Ben, and that he is 200cm tall. These guys take time.
Probably the stupidest thing I have read on this forum for awhile. Some people can debate whether player A is better than player B and there would be positives for both sides of the debate, but no one with even the tiniest bit of a brain could say Ben Griffiths has been our best forward this year. I would bet that he has never even been in our best players in any game he has played this year. And the guy who you are judging him directly against is leading the Coleman medal. Not even in the same ball park.
Let me guess, he just needs to be given a run of games and he will turn it around!
He is only young!
He has been injured!
He has no confidence!
He is not one of Dimma's favourite!
He is only in his 28 game!
He is 200cm!
Just pathetic excuses for a lazy, soft, 200cm wimp that doesn't even deserve to be in the same forward line as Jack.
It's not players like 'money ballers' Thomas and Chaplin that make the Richmond FC poo, it's blokes like Griffiths that spend 4 years on our list to give what they did against Essendon. He takes a few marks in a practice match and a few against boys from GWS and some think he is the next Royce Hart.
The one decent thing he can do is kick the footy and what does he do when he eventually gets it against Essendon, is kick it short! Well f()k me!!!
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Sure he had a stinker on sat night, but I find talk of him not working hard enough puzzling. Regularly lays tackles, chases harasses more than any other tall fwd we have
Agree Tony. He was far from the worst this week and has shown he is willing to do the chasing. Some on here just seem to pick particular players and never let up on them despite there being many that are way down on the standards that should be set. You only hear form these posters when we loose or the player they dislike has a bad one. To me he has been our best foward this year and that includes Jack. Some forget that it was game number 28 for Ben, and that he is 200cm tall. These guys take time.
Probably the stupidest thing I have read on this forum for awhile. Some people can debate whether player A is better than player B and there would be positives for both sides of the debate, but no one with even the tiniest bit of a brain could say Ben Griffiths has been our best forward this year. I would bet that he has never even been in our best players in any game he has played this year. And the guy who you are judging him directly against is leading the Coleman medal. Not even in the same ball park.
Let me guess, he just needs to be given a run of games and he will turn it around!
He is only young!
He has been injured!
He has no confidence!
He is not one of Dimma's favourite!
He is only in his 28 game!
He is 200cm!
Just pathetic excuses for a lazy, soft, 200cm wimp that doesn't even deserve to be in the same forward line as Jack.
It's not players like 'money ballers' Thomas and Chaplin that make the Richmond FC poo, it's blokes like Griffiths that spend 4 years on our list to give what they did against Essendon. He takes a few marks in a practice match and a few against boys from GWS and some think he is the next Royce Hart.
The one decent thing he can do is kick the footy and what does he do when he eventually gets it against Essendon, is kick it short! Well f()k me!!!
Good rant
I think the comment on the dumbest thing on here in a while is a big call though
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Tone I think Griff is blessed with more talent than most,however at this stage like many in the team he is not producing.In fact his inability to get to contests is rather worrying.....might show a lack of desire
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don't think its a lack of desire, I see him chasing hard and tackling most weeks - a hell of a lot more than ive ever seen Tyrone do or any other tall do tbh. How many times have we seen Tyrone or any other tall lay 5-6 tackles a game? Griff has laid 5 or more tackles 5 times out of his 9 games this season. That for mine, shows he's neither lazy nor lacking in desire.
Think the fact hes only played 28 games may have something to do with how many touches hes currently getting. The fact he's pretty high up in contested marks shows that he needs to also learn how to get off the leash a bit more to find space and get some cheap ball - that will come. Lack of desire or lazy? I don't think so
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Sure he had a stinker on sat night, but I find talk of him not working hard enough puzzling. Regularly lays tackles, chases harasses more than any other tall fwd we have
Agree Tony. He was far from the worst this week and has shown he is willing to do the chasing. Some on here just seem to pick particular players and never let up on them despite there being many that are way down on the standards that should be set. You only hear form these posters when we loose or the player they dislike has a bad one. To me he has been our best foward this year and that includes Jack. Some forget that it was game number 28 for Ben, and that he is 200cm tall. These guys take time.
Probably the stupidest thing I have read on this forum for awhile. Some people can debate whether player A is better than player B and there would be positives for both sides of the debate, but no one with even the tiniest bit of a brain could say Ben Griffiths has been our best forward this year. I would bet that he has never even been in our best players in any game he has played this year. And the guy who you are judging him directly against is leading the Coleman medal. Not even in the same ball park.
Let me guess, he just needs to be given a run of games and he will turn it around!
He is only young!
He has been injured!
He has no confidence!
He is not one of Dimma's favourite!
He is only in his 28 game!
He is 200cm!
Just pathetic excuses for a lazy, soft, 200cm wimp that doesn't even deserve to be in the same forward line as Jack.
It's not players like 'money ballers' Thomas and Chaplin that make the Richmond FC poo, it's blokes like Griffiths that spend 4 years on our list to give what they did against Essendon. He takes a few marks in a practice match and a few against boys from GWS and some think he is the next Royce Hart.
The one decent thing he can do is kick the footy and what does he do when he eventually gets it against Essendon, is kick it short! Well f()k me!!!
Pls
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Sure he had a stinker on sat night, but I find talk of him not working hard enough puzzling. Regularly lays tackles, chases harasses more than any other tall fwd we have
Agree Tony. He was far from the worst this week and has shown he is willing to do the chasing. Some on here just seem to pick particular players and never let up on them despite there being many that are way down on the standards that should be set. You only hear form these posters when we loose or the player they dislike has a bad one. To me he has been our best foward this year and that includes Jack. Some forget that it was game number 28 for Ben, and that he is 200cm tall. These guys take time.
Probably the stupidest thing I have read on this forum for awhile. Some people can debate whether player A is better than player B and there would be positives for both sides of the debate, but no one with even the tiniest bit of a brain could say Ben Griffiths has been our best forward this year. I would bet that he has never even been in our best players in any game he has played this year. And the guy who you are judging him directly against is leading the Coleman medal. Not even in the same ball park.
Let me guess, he just needs to be given a run of games and he will turn it around!
He is only young!
He has been injured!
He has no confidence!
He is not one of Dimma's favourite!
He is only in his 28 game!
He is 200cm!
Just pathetic excuses for a lazy, soft, 200cm wimp that doesn't even deserve to be in the same forward line as Jack.
It's not players like 'money ballers' Thomas and Chaplin that make the Richmond FC poo, it's blokes like Griffiths that spend 4 years on our list to give what they did against Essendon. He takes a few marks in a practice match and a few against boys from GWS and some think he is the next Royce Hart.
The one decent thing he can do is kick the footy and what does he do when he eventually gets it against Essendon, is kick it short! Well f()k me!!!
What the hell are you talking about?
Do you watch the games? Was terrible on Saturday but so were 20 others.
Before last week was 6th in the league for contested marks. In the league not Richmond. Is close to the highest rated player at Richmond when it comes to pressure acts.
Nearly won the game for us against he bulldogs with a goal nobody else in the side could have kicked. Set shot 55m out on the boundary.
Yeah he is only 22 with only 28 games. Theses are facts not excuses.
All the statistics point to the fact he is anything but lazy.
But hey you can rant and rave all you like. You blame our position on this guy? He is one of the few that has talent in the team. He actually can hit a man with a pass and can take a grab.
Big Tone, there are many others in the team that deserve that rant but not Griffiths. Yes he will get dropped because he is the sacrificial lamb, we all know that, but he needs to be persisted with.
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Sure he had a stinker on sat night, but I find talk of him not working hard enough puzzling. Regularly lays tackles, chases harasses more than any other tall fwd we have
Agree Tony. He was far from the worst this week and has shown he is willing to do the chasing. Some on here just seem to pick particular players and never let up on them despite there being many that are way down on the standards that should be set. You only hear form these posters when we loose or the player they dislike has a bad one. To me he has been our best foward this year and that includes Jack. Some forget that it was game number 28 for Ben, and that he is 200cm tall. These guys take time.
Probably the stupidest thing I have read on this forum for awhile. Some people can debate whether player A is better than player B and there would be positives for both sides of the debate, but no one with even the tiniest bit of a brain could say Ben Griffiths has been our best forward this year. I would bet that he has never even been in our best players in any game he has played this year. And the guy who you are judging him directly against is leading the Coleman medal. Not even in the same ball park.
Let me guess, he just needs to be given a run of games and he will turn it around!
He is only young!
He has been injured!
He has no confidence!
He is not one of Dimma's favourite!
He is only in his 28 game!
He is 200cm!
Just pathetic excuses for a lazy, soft, 200cm wimp that doesn't even deserve to be in the same forward line as Jack.
It's not players like 'money ballers' Thomas and Chaplin that make the Richmond FC poo, it's blokes like Griffiths that spend 4 years on our list to give what they did against Essendon. He takes a few marks in a practice match and a few against boys from GWS and some think he is the next Royce Hart.
The one decent thing he can do is kick the footy and what does he do when he eventually gets it against Essendon, is kick it short! Well f()k me!!!
What the hell are you talking about?
Do you watch the games? Was terrible on Saturday but so were 20 others.
Before last week was 6th in the league for contested marks. In the league not Richmond. Is close to the highest rated player at Richmond when it comes to pressure acts.
Nearly won the game for us against he bulldogs with a goal nobody else in the side could have kicked. Set shot 55m out on the boundary.
Yeah he is only 22 with only 28 games. Theses are facts not excuses.
All the statistics point to the fact he is anything but lazy.
But hey you can rant and rave all you like. You blame our position on this guy? He is one of the few that has talent in the team. He actually can hit a man with a pass and can take a grab.
Big Tone, there are many others in the team that deserve that rant but not Griffiths. Yes he will get dropped because he is the sacrificial lamb, we all know that, but he needs to be persisted with.
Im glad Im not the only one that thinks this talk of griff not working hard is off the mark. High tackle count, high in pressure acts and contested marks paints a pretty obvious picture and it isn't one of a soft, lazy player lacking desire.
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For someone who's just spent the past week defending Grigg, "big tone" sure calls a lot of players soft and lazy....
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Big Tony Grigg :clapping
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
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I ink he question posed was what forward has been better than griffs
Lennon hasn't done much
King is awful
Tyrone keeps getting dropped for shyte ness
Jack has been poo outside of gws
Llyod has only had good patches
I'm not hearing many arguments in regards to the original question...
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I ink he question posed was what forward has been better than griffs
Lennon hasn't done much
King is awful
Tyrone keeps getting dropped for shyte ness
Jack has been poo outside of gws
Llyod has only had good patches
I'm not hearing many arguments in regards to the original question...
This was my original point and I was very careful to restrict it to this year only. I'm not going to go game by game to justify my opinion but rants are not really going to change my mind on it. It is my opinion and im just entitled to it as anybody else. As far as the stupidest comment on this forum, , well that's a huge call, in fact it might in itself be up there in the race for the tittle.
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
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Personally I hoping he would be on course for his 4th all Australian by now
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I ink he question posed was what forward has been better than griffs
Lennon hasn't done much
King is awful
Tyrone keeps getting dropped for shyte ness
Jack has been poo outside of gws
Llyod has only had good patches
I'm not hearing many arguments in regards to the original question...
This was my original point and I was very careful to restrict it to this year only. I'm not going to go game by game to justify my opinion but rants are not really going to change my mind on it. It is my opinion and im just entitled to it as anybody else. As far as the stupidest comment on this forum, , well that's a huge call, in fact it might in itself be up there in the race for the tittle.
Well my opinion is that your opinion is the stupidest thing I have read on here for a while.
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
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I ink he question posed was what forward has been better than griffs
Lennon hasn't done much
King is awful
Tyrone keeps getting dropped for shyte ness
Jack has been poo outside of gws
Llyod has only had good patches
I'm not hearing many arguments in regards to the original question...
So judge, as you said the original question was "what forward has been better than Griff"
So in your opinion, you think Griff has been the best forward? Simple question. Yes or no?
And that goes for anyone to answer- HAS GRIFF BEEN THE BEST FORWARD WE HAVE HAD THIS YEAR?
Not who has had the most pressure acts, not who has had the most contested marks, which are all good thing but BUT HAS GRIFF BEEN THE BEST FORARD WE HAVE HAD?
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
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I must be going to the wrong games each and every week
The reason we are at the bottom of the ladder is the insipid efforts of guys like Ben
Sorry he can't play at AFL
Goes ok in VFL level actually stars .his shoulders or any other injury doesn't seen to stop him there
Just maybe he has a heart condition ;)
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
They probably wont reply, I mean who wants to be called stupid if they have a different opinion to you. I don't blame them. I have already given my view, Jack has been poo this year and don't give me leading the Coleman please. If you are going to discount contested mark and pressure acts, as things that don't count in being the best forward, then don't give me Goals only.
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If you remove the aberration against gws* what do you make Of jacks year?
Has he been clearly the best forward from the pool.of remaining games in 2014?
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Yes. Solid against Carl and Bris. Got us back in the game against Dogs.
Worked harder than most against Dons.
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I ink he question posed was what forward has been better than griffs
Lennon hasn't done much
King is awful
Tyrone keeps getting dropped for shyte ness
Jack has been poo outside of gws
Llyod has only had good patches
I'm not hearing many arguments in regards to the original question...
So judge, as you said the original question was "what forward has been better than Griff"
So in your opinion, you think Griff has been the best forward? Simple question. Yes or no?
And that goes for anyone to answer- HAS GRIFF BEEN THE BEST FORWARD WE HAVE HAD THIS YEAR?
Not who has had the most pressure acts, not who has had the most contested marks, which are all good thing but BUT HAS GRIFF BEEN THE BEST FORARD WE HAVE HAD?
No Mr Tone he has not been the best forward, not even close as we are talking about performance not potential
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
They probably wont reply, I mean who wants to be called stupid if they have a different opinion to you. I don't blame them. I have already given my view, Jack has been poo this year and don't give me leading the Coleman please. If you are going to discount contested mark and pressure acts, as things that don't count in being the best forward, then don't give me Goals only.
Fluffy Tiger, I said it was a stupid comment, not that you are stupid. The rest can talk for themselves.
It's still by far the stupidest comment I have read on hear for some time. That's my opinion.
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I ink he question posed was what forward has been better than griffs
Lennon hasn't done much
King is awful
Tyrone keeps getting dropped for shyte ness
Jack has been poo outside of gws
Llyod has only had good patches
I'm not hearing many arguments in regards to the original question...
So judge, as you said the original question was "what forward has been better than Griff"
So in your opinion, you think Griff has been the best forward? Simple question. Yes or no?
And that goes for anyone to answer- HAS GRIFF BEEN THE BEST FORWARD WE HAVE HAD THIS YEAR?
Not who has had the most pressure acts, not who has had the most contested marks, which are all good thing but BUT HAS GRIFF BEEN THE BEST FORARD WE HAVE HAD?
No Mr Tone he has not been the best forward, not even close as we are talking about performance not potential
:thumbsup
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If you remove the aberration against gws* what do you make Of jacks year?
Has he been clearly the best forward from the pool.of remaining games in 2014?
You didn't answer the question? Simple question. Yes or no?
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Griffiths has the most pressure acts of the forwards, perhaps the team? (Foorywire doesn't have this statistic)
First for one Percenter's
Top 3 in clearances in front of riewoldt.
#1 contested mark - number one in the afl at one point if not still
Double the hit outaverage of Vickery
Also took a match saving mark ala lance whitnal when the season still had hope..
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If you remove the aberration against gws* what do you make Of jacks year?
Has he been clearly the best forward from the pool.of remaining games in 2014?
You didn't answer the question? Simple question. Yes or no?
In don't know boss im of the thinking they are all reasonably shyte.
However in don't think its as clear cut as you thinknor is there a sstand out.
For long periods of games we have scored only 2-3,goals with more coming in junk time in reality meaningless.
Griff has been of the disadvantage he is the youngest. Had injury history. Was not played as a forward in the 2s. Has lost development time cause of mcgaune/aedwards/being dropped wtx.
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
They probably wont reply, I mean who wants to be called stupid if they have a different opinion to you. I don't blame them. I have already given my view, Jack has been poo this year and don't give me leading the Coleman please. If you are going to discount contested mark and pressure acts, as things that don't count in being the best forward, then don't give me Goals only.
Fluffy Tiger, I said it was a stupid comment, not that you are stupid. The rest can talk for themselves.
It's still by far the stupidest comment I have read on hear for some time. That's my opinion.
Maybe you should read "Should the Club fold" thread or any of the 100's of "my mail" posts. Stupid comments abound on this forum so it was a huge leap to call opinion on the best forward this year the stupidest. BTW looks like the "Should the club fold" tread has gone I cant find it to link it, that's how stupid that was. EDIT here is the link I found it :) http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=20118.0
I'm clearly not alone on this either. You say Jack by a longshot, I say Jack has been crap this season. Who has been the second best forward if Jack is so far in front ?
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
I don't give excuses. I'm stating fact!!!!!
With the best forward question I hesitate to answer as how do you define "best forward"?
If its just goals kicked, he has not been the best forward.
If it is pressure acts by a KPP in the forward half, he has been our best.
If it is looked at in contested marking, he has been our best.
If it is flexibility (playing forward, back, ruck) he has been our best.
If you don't agree write down your definition and categories.
Thanks.
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
They probably wont reply, I mean who wants to be called stupid if they have a different opinion to you. I don't blame them. I have already given my view, Jack has been poo this year and don't give me leading the Coleman please. If you are going to discount contested mark and pressure acts, as things that don't count in being the best forward, then don't give me Goals only.
Fluffy Tiger, I said it was a stupid comment, not that you are stupid. The rest can talk for themselves.
It's still by far the stupidest comment I have read on hear for some time. That's my opinion.
Maybe you should read "Should the Club fold" thread or any of the 100's of "my mail" posts. Stupid comments abound on this forum so it was a huge leap to call opinion on the best forward this year the stupidest. BTW looks like the "Should the club fold" tread has gone I cant find it to link it, that's how stupid that was. EDIT here is the link I found it :) http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=20118.0
I'm clearly not alone on this either. You say Jack by a longshot, I say Jack has been crap this season. Who has been the second best forward if Jack is so far in front ?
The sad answer is there is no second best, they can all be lumped together as shyte Vickers, Griffith, Hampson, LLoyd, Gordon = Plop Plop Plop
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
I don't give excuses. I'm stating fact!!!!!
With the best forward question I hesitate to answer as how do you define "best forward"?
If its just goals kicked, he has not been the best forward.
If it is pressure acts by a KPP in the forward half, he has been our best.
If it is looked at in contested marking, he has been our best.
If it is flexibility (playing forward, back, ruck) he has been our best.
If you don't agree write down your definition and categories.
Thanks.
There is only one statistic that surpasses the rest as forwards go ; goals
The Coleman is not for forward pressure acts, contested marks or whatever it is for goals
Jack by a couple of country miles
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Yea but it the BEST question not most goals question
If the browlow medal was for beat Richmond forward - jack would get 3 votes vs gws. Not 11 votes.
Ie. Say the question is who is the best GC mid. Say ablett gets 100 touches vs gws. Say swallow has got 4o touches each game. One would usethe season as a whole toncompare the two. NNot instantly say 'ablett cause a MIDs jobs is to get the ball and 100 is more than 40'
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The AFL recognises the best forward as he who kicks the most goals
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The afl also wants to introduce netball rules so don't put too much value of them
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
I don't give excuses. I'm stating fact!!!!!
With the best forward question I hesitate to answer as how do you define "best forward"?
If its just goals kicked, he has not been the best forward.
If it is pressure acts by a KPP in the forward half, he has been our best.
If it is looked at in contested marking, he has been our best.
If it is flexibility (playing forward, back, ruck) he has been our best.
If you don't agree write down your definition and categories.
Thanks.
There is only one statistic that surpasses the rest as forwards go ; goals
The Coleman is not for forward pressure acts, contested marks or whatever it is for goals
Jack by a couple of country miles
He didn't ask who has kicked the most goals Chucky. He said who has been the best forward and as you know that encompasses many things. If you take his GWS haul out of it and then look at how many times the ball is directed to a particular forward as a ratio of goals kicked you will find that Jack does not do very well at all.
They hardly ever kick the ball to Griff and I have seen him present as an option but not be acknowledged by his team mates several times this year. So if they're not kicking it to you it's hard to score goals. That's why he is left to concentrate on his pressure acts etc to keep in the game.
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The AFL recognises the best forward as he who kicks the most goals
The Coleman medal is awarded to the forward that has kicked the most goals, not the best forward. You shouldn't get the two confused.
Even worse, it's awarded to the forward that's kicked the most goals in total. In other words you could be injured for half the season but score 100 goals in 11 games by which your definition makes you the best forward, only to be beaten by someone who kicked just one more goal in 22 games!
That is an award then that isn't given to the best forward even by your definition. You just have to kick the most goals in the home and away season, that is all.
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Most Goals = Coleman = Best Forward
Keep it simple boys as it was a really simple question he asked
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Most Goals = Coleman
Keep it simple boys as it was a really simple question he asked
EFA and even simpler!
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Talk of getting rid of Griffiths is premature.
The same people probably wanted to get rid of Schulz.
You don't get rid of near 200cm 22 year olds with great skills..
Development.
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Talk of getting rid of Griffiths is premature.
The same people probably wanted to get rid of Schulz.
You don't get rid of near 200cm 22 year olds with great skills..
Development.
Exactly this. We don't want to pull a Josh Kennedy here.
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Most Goals = Coleman = Best Forward
Keep it simple boys as it was a really simple question he asked
You're correct in the simple question. I would of obviously not said Ben has been the best foward if I was using goals as the definition.
Ok I have probably had enough of arguments about who has been better as really they have all been pretty rubbish. Let's hope we can have this argument again at the end of season when Jack has won the Coleman and Griff has taken the most contested marks. (As if either are going to happen the way we are playing. )
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I must be going to the wrong games each and every week
The reason we are at the bottom of the ladder is the insipid efforts of guys like Ben
Sorry he can't play at AFL
Goes ok in VFL level actually stars .his shoulders or any other injury doesn't seen to stop him there
Just maybe he has a heart condition ;)
l will give him some of my Atenolol ;D But he will have to get a TUE from ASADA as it is a banned substance in & out of comp. l can always borrow him my ASADA letter & card & put his name on it ;D
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Kid is better than Vickery hands down. More upside too. :thumbsup
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Neither are any good
McBean will take there position
Just a matter of time
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Neither are any good
McBean will take there position
Just a matter of time
From the games I have seen McBean will be a very good player but he need more time because we cant replace a big forward who takes marks with a 200cm player who plays like a flanker. When he puts some size on and starts taking contested marks will be the time he should come into the team and play. He will end up being a great player.
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we cant replace a big forward who takes marks with a 200cm player who plays like a flanker.
This.
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Griffiths has been Ok before Saturdays game. Wasnt he second in the league for contested marks before last week? You dont get that spudding it up, and take into account how many games he has played....
But where has Griffiths been taking these marks?
Around the ground, particularly dropping back into defence, while rucking, or when in the forward 50?
Then on the weekend we bring back Maric and he plays predominately as a forward and stinks it up ( Lack of supply didnt help )
Then, as has been pointed out, when hampson was subbed and he got to play on the ball he started to get involved in the game a bit.
No coincidence to me.
The notion of playing him at CHB has a bit merit to it, with perhaps the added bonus that it may help alleviate the situation where Chaplin stands by and watches Dea trying to spoil 200cm+ opposition forwards.
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
I don't give excuses. I'm stating fact!!!!!
With the best forward question I hesitate to answer as how do you define "best forward"?
If its just goals kicked, he has not been the best forward.
If it is pressure acts by a KPP in the forward half, he has been our best.
If it is looked at in contested marking, he has been our best.
If it is flexibility (playing forward, back, ruck) he has been our best.
If you don't agree write down your definition and categories.
Thanks.
There is only one statistic that surpasses the rest as forwards go ; goals
The Coleman is not for forward pressure acts, contested marks or whatever it is for goals
Jack by a couple of country miles
You would agree Grigg
Is the fifth best player / midfielder
This year. Cause he has the fifth most disposals
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I think a forward should be judged in goals + direct goal assists (and to a lesser extent being part of a possession chain that leads to a goal).
With those 2 stats I think Jack is up there against the other forwards in the league. Benny G has a similar average with goal assists as JR but where I think the key difference is that his marks inside 50 aren't remotely close to Jack's and consequently this leads to less goals. I'm not saying this is benny G's fault because he also does the selfless thing of clearing the F50 and drawing his opponent with him so Jack is unobstructed (as opposed to TV who congests the F50).
Someone earlier mentioned that Ben needs to work on his offensive aspect of the game because he doesn't do a bad job in pressure acts, laying tackles etc. Just needs to run to spaces in a smarter way or back himself and use that cannon that other members of this forum have highlighted.
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What about tackles and similar things
For many years coaches have crapped on about the importance of this
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Yes it's crap
I want goals
I forget the number that is required as a minimum per game per one of WATs crap threads, think it was 18 or so.
Not effn three or so to 3/4 qtr time plus some junk ones in the last qtr
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Richo was 197cm, Ben is 198cm.
Not much in it but just goes to show that Richo was a complete freak given his work rate when you compare the 2.
I don't think some of them get it these days how much work guys like Matthew had to do to win just one possession.
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Said 4 weeks ago he can't play and never will
So you wait until he plays a howler to post this? I could legitimately say nobody can play on our list after Saturday and it would be hard for anyone to argue!
Tell me in the past 4 years what has he done
He has played only 28 games. He is only 22. He has has seriously big shoulder operations that involved bone grafting.
They take a long time to come right. This year his stats are very good for a KPP. The only thing he hasn't done is kick a lot of goals. Nobody said he is starring. The development curve is heading up. That's what we were all looking for. He has the skill set to be a very handy player. Just like all forwards he needs good delivery. That is more of an issue at our club than anything else. Our mids are poor and are getting destroyed.
Has Griff been our best forward this year? No need to give me the excuses why he hasn't been because I already gave them.
Just answer me that simple question.
One of our forwards is leading the Coleman the other one will get dropped this week for the second time in ten games.
I don't give excuses. I'm stating fact!!!!!
With the best forward question I hesitate to answer as how do you define "best forward"?
If its just goals kicked, he has not been the best forward.
If it is pressure acts by a KPP in the forward half, he has been our best.
If it is looked at in contested marking, he has been our best.
If it is flexibility (playing forward, back, ruck) he has been our best.
If you don't agree write down your definition and categories.
Thanks.
There is only one statistic that surpasses the rest as forwards go ; goals
The Coleman is not for forward pressure acts, contested marks or whatever it is for goals
Jack by a couple of country miles
You would agree Grigg
Is the fifth best player / midfielder
This year. Cause he has the fifth most disposals
No, what's the association or club award for the player with the most disposals
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If best forward= most goal s
I had assumed if your mind best mid = most possession
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If best forward= most goal s
I had assumed if your mind best mid = most possession
Nope the discussion was in regards to on what basis the AFL awards the best forward
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Best forwards cannot be compared to best MIDs.
Got it.
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#standbyGriffiths
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For all the posters on here that stick up for this clown
Please spare me
No more
That's it
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No problem
I really don't think anyone cares anymore
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Yep tone probably your most accurate post ever
Jack they're all poo
Club is skata mate
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For all the posters on here that stick up for this clown
Please spare me
No more
That's it
hey clown, you were.the.one trumpeting a 11 goal win in the 2nd quarter and backing in the hacks.
keep your preach ing to yourself
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SNIP
Understand people are angry but keep the personal insults off the forum or you can all enjoy a holiday :banghead
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SNIP
Understand people are angry but keep the personal insults off the forum or you can all enjoy a holiday :banghead
You paying?
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Just watching replay now
Know wonder he was subbed out
Never again
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people in this thread have sort of hung their hats on contested marks with this bloke and yep hes taken more than riewoldt and vickery.
but i can tell ya as far as marks inside 50 goes riewoldt up to tonights game had taken 43 vickery who we really criticise had taken 14 and griffiths 11.
riewoldt had double the marks 1/50 of the other two combined.
when it comes to contested marks griffiths 16 had taken one more than jack with 15. thing i ask is where is most of griffiths contested marks being taken. id say few have been in the f/50.
to me griffiths has done okay as a back up ruckman but really struggled when forward hes struggled as much as vickery imo.
imo i dont think either vickery or griffiths are the answer fwd both have been ordinary.and would like to see the club organise the list accordingly.
even though we have 5 potential tall fwds the reality for me is we have just 2. riewoldt as a proven player and elton a junior in early development. as such id be targeting some tall fwds inexpectation of us having to cut both vickery and griffiths.
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Was glad to see him being physical but his complete lack of output peeed me off towards the end of the first half. Even when we were dominating he was doing nothing.
Back to the VFL and send Vickery with him.
Bring in Elton and McBean, see what they're made of. Give them a taste.
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Was poor, again where is the instruction. How does a forward have 2 possessions. 1 from a mark that he took off the kick out and his 2nd was a free kick from out of bounds.
He didn't once recieve the ball from a team mate. How does that happen to a forward when his team is up by 6 goals at half time. 2 possessions. 2!
Something is wrong there. Does he know where to run, do our players know where to look? He had a decent start to the year now seems lost. Another failure thanks to our development coaches. Will be Ports leading goal kicker in a few years
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Drop Chaplin & play him down back....stuff me, there's two things I would never have said a year ago....hell, not even a couple of months ago...
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people in this thread have sort of hung their hats on contested marks with this bloke and yep hes taken more than riewoldt and vickery.
but i can tell ya as far as marks inside 50 goes riewoldt up to tonights game had taken 43 vickery who we really criticise had taken 14 and griffiths 11.
riewoldt had double the marks 1/50 of the other two combined.
when it comes to contested marks griffiths 16 had taken one more than jack with 15. thing i ask is where is most of griffiths contested marks being taken. id say few have been in the f/50.
to me griffiths has done okay as a back up ruckman but really struggled when forward hes struggled as much as vickery imo.
imo i dont think either vickery or griffiths are the answer fwd both have been ordinary.and would like to see the club organise the list accordingly.
even though we have 5 potential tall fwds the reality for me is we have just 2. riewoldt as a proven player and elton a junior in early development. as such id be targeting some tall fwds inexpectation of us having to cut both vickery and griffiths.
I think you will find princess jack also has twice the delivery
To not put jack or griff back when norf got the run on was shocking coaching
As soon as Petrie went back when rfc got the last sniff it was cheakmate
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people in this thread have sort of hung their hats on contested marks with this bloke and yep hes taken more than riewoldt and vickery.
but i can tell ya as far as marks inside 50 goes riewoldt up to tonights game had taken 43 vickery who we really criticise had taken 14 and griffiths 11.
riewoldt had double the marks 1/50 of the other two combined.
when it comes to contested marks griffiths 16 had taken one more than jack with 15. thing i ask is where is most of griffiths contested marks being taken. id say few have been in the f/50.
to me griffiths has done okay as a back up ruckman but really struggled when forward hes struggled as much as vickery imo.
imo i dont think either vickery or griffiths are the answer fwd both have been ordinary.and would like to see the club organise the list accordingly.
even though we have 5 potential tall fwds the reality for me is we have just 2. riewoldt as a proven player and elton a junior in early development. as such id be targeting some tall fwds inexpectation of us having to cut both vickery and griffiths.
I think you will find princess jack also has twice the delivery
To not put jack or griff back when norf got the run on was shocking coaching
As soon as Petrie went back when rfc got the last sniff it was cheakmate
Agree , you cannot blame griff, just keep playing him as sydney is doing with derickx, if we delist griff gee or sydney will pick him up and turn him into a better player. We just have to work out his best game. Plus to sub him out was a huge mistake, he could have gone to petrie, lennon, while he needs as much game time as possible, was not the answer. And dont go on about stats, at the end of the day whild they are an indication that is all they are
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Not having near enough impact at CHF. Have another rest Ben, time to give Elton a crack.
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I think Griff and Ty should actually give up football ,they seem more than disinterested.
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Agree he wasn't great, even good but gee he showed more aggression at the contest in a half than Ty did for the entire game
Perhaps why they keep playing him :-\
And that's the problem in a nutshell
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With all the pointing jack and Ty do out there....traffic management might be more their thing
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I think Griff and Ty should actually give up football ,they seem more than disinterested.
The whole club seems to be having no fun with their football atm.
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Mr magic you are absolutely right.
But frankly I don't care if they are having fun or not.All I went to see at the moment is this simple philosophy......see ball get ball
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They'll probably trade him and keep Vickery
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With all the pointing jack and Ty do out there....traffic management might be more their thing
Instead of the cops fresh out of the academy doing traffic management on a weekday on the corner of Collins and Queen, yep Jack, Ty, Grigg and Chappy. Take a corner each boys and strut your stuff. :wallywink
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Grigg standing on a corner directing traffic?.....would you be able to resist hurtling a big custard tart at him
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Big Ben is a 2nd ruckman at best in AFL football. Cant impact up forward and cant play down back. Seems ok as a back up to Ivan Maric though and I prefer Griff to Hampson in this role anyway. Hampson is a dead set spud.
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Grigg standing on a corner directing traffic?.....would you be able to resist hurtling a big custard tart at him
No I'd jadewalk and disobey the road rules where Grigg is. He'll just point to me where to go, won't chase or get his hands dirty much like an RFC game. You can count on that. :lol :rollin :lol
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I think he has potential as a CHB that occasionally drifts forward. He seems to have an instinct of rather laying tackles and pressure acts then to lead in the F50 and take a grab near the big sticks
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If Chaplin's not going to try should be chb
Until astbury/Grimes/ ARance are fit or darrou is tried
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No surprises that Griffiths has been dropped after his 2 possession game. Has trouble getting into the game but finds it quite easy to get out of it..
Would like to have seen Elton get the chance in his spot but no. :huh
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Drop Chaplin & play him down back....stuff me, there's two things I would never have said a year ago....hell, not even a couple of months ago...
fully agree with this.
you simply don't get to have the second most contested marks in the league if you are no good and Id bet if someone could access the stats to where he takes most of his contested marks it would not be in F50.
worst game for the year was the one where he hardly left the F50.
Naturally, taking all this into consideration, the obvious thing to do would be drop him
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Hopefully we have seen the last of Griffiths
Promised a lot .delivered donuts
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Yeah pee him off and get around orren and hampson
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I can't help thinking that if they kicked the ball to him he would have had a better chance. I've watched him play all his games since he thrashed a nephew of mine in schoolboy football years ago, a several weeks ago I saw Cothchin kick the ball to him - In 5 years this is the first time I've seen Cotchin kick the ball to him. Martin, Newman and the "better" players don't look for him at all. A classic example was 2 weeks ago Griff was on his own in the square calling for the ball and they kicked it to Jack who had 2 players on him. When Griff has been in the F50, they don't look for him - they kick the ball over his head despite him leading and calling for the ball that's why he hasn't done well there - have a look at the replays.
In a way I hope he does move on at the end of the year to a new club and to where he's got a better chance of success, but I'd rather him stay and get some respect
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Yeah pee him off and get around orren and hampson
Yeah, big upside and our future there, nice one Judge. I don't understand the hate for this Griffiths. For the first 4 or 5 weeks of this season the big uspside in the losses we had was the form of Griffiths and Ashbury. He was poor the last two weeks but he was far from the worst as far as having a go. There is no future in these two other bigs (orren and hampson), Keep Griff in please.
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Agree with keeping but needs to work harder. Agree players need to kick it to him. He is a good mark and is usually a good kick Usual Richmond mentality kick it to a player who has at least two opponents on him rather than to the unmarked team mate.
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Yeah pee him off and get around orren and hampson
Yeah, big upside and our future there, nice one Judge. I don't understand the hate for this Griffiths. For the first 4 or 5 weeks of this season the big uspside in the losses we had was the form of Griffiths and Ashbury. He was poor the last two weeks but he was far from the worst as far as having a go. There is no future in these two other bigs (orren and hampson), Keep Griff in please.
AGREE 100 %, delivery to him is pitiful. A bit like Jay Shulz Richo scenario. Other clubs would be salivating on picking him up and converting him into a top player. We are just too dumb and have a woeful development and management structure.
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Yeah pee him off and get around orren and hampson
Yeah, big upside and our future there, nice one Judge. I don't understand the hate for this Griffiths. For the first 4 or 5 weeks of this season the big uspside in the losses we had was the form of Griffiths and Ashbury. He was poor the last two weeks but he was far from the worst as far as having a go. There is no future in these two other bigs (orren and hampson), Keep Griff in please.
AGREE 100 %, delivery to him is pitiful. A bit like Jay Shulz Richo scenario. Other clubs would be salivating on picking him up and converting him into a top player. We are just too dumb and have a woeful development and management structure.
Second rounder?
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I'd trade Vickery before Griffiths, but if we received a good enough offer.....
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I'd trade Vickery before Griffiths, but if we received a good enough offer.....
What would you want for each of them?
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I'd trade Vickery before Griffiths, but if we received a good enough offer.....
What would you want for each of them?
3rd rounder would be fair in an uncompromised draft, if we did really well maybe even a low second (I'd honestly even take a 4th rounder for Vickery at this point) or if they went to good club with quality depth, a good young player from that club who's not getting a game.
If we trade them to say the Bulldogs or Carlton, we won't get much because, though desperate for talls they won't give up high picks, particularly in a draft that's supposed to be rich in tall talent, and don't have quality players or depth, if for argument's sake someone like Hawthorn or Collingwood came knocking however.... the new clubs also have talent they can afford to shed, though I doubt GWS are that desperate for talls ...unless they want to use them as rucks (Mumford isn't getting any younger).
This is where the list managers earn their keep. Though I'd be more confident if we have new list managers come trade week.
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LOL - you all said the same about Rance and Jack not long ago. Most knowledgable people know he has the goods to be a good player but needs to keep developing
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LOL - you all said the same about Rance and Jack not long ago. Most knowledgable people know he has the goods to be a good player but needs to keep developing
+1
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LOL - you all said the same about Rance and Jack not long ago. Most knowledgable people know he has the goods to be a good player but needs to keep developing
Have you got special mail on that
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How did Ben go yesterday in the Curtain Raiser
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vickery wont go anywhere hes contracted until 2016 ??. griffiths is out of contract probably hasnt done enoughh to be retained.
happy to give him another yr as long as we dont say to ourselves, geez we have griffiths elton vickery and riewoldt mcbean we have have of tall fwds. we need to look at it not in pure numbers but in what each player is likely to become and what the chances are of them making it.
when looked at this way the list is absolutely screaming out for for a big strong marking kpf and a quick agile well rounded third tall.
keep all the tall fwds if need be in hope but ffs add to them in anticipation of most of em going by the wayside.
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Claw it appears we cannot develop key position players to save ourselves.I think we need to bite the bullet on this one and go out and get ourselves an established one
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Claw it appears we cannot develop key position players to save ourselves.I think we need to bite the bullet on this one and go out and get ourselves an established one
if we cant recruit and develop our own we may as well just shut up shop. take a mature tall fwd if need be but for sure and certain we must look to find real quality in the nd.
look at the fwds and the way we have gone about it even with the talls we have.
vickery ruckman, we now want him to be a permanent kpf. he aint the answer imo. would definately be looking to trade him.
mcbean ruckman. the club keep on saying we have taken him as a long term ruckman. we currently develop him fwd because i presume of size issues.
riewoldt chf, he is really the only pure tall fwd we have.
griffiths 200cm f/f cum ruckman. was originally a f/f and pure fwd. struggles big time fwd and now we try him as a fwd/ruck. i have to ask once again how many 200cm players have become good kpfs.
elton fwd/ruck. hes a fwd who can pinch hit in the ruck. hasnt done a lot to date. has nice hands.
we desperately need to find a few outside of riewoldt who we can categorically say will be good to very good tall fwd options. if that means in the short term we load up with 7 or 8 tall fwds allowing for a good percentage of failures so be it. we just have not ever done this and we wonder why we cant find good kpps.
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I think the harsh reality about Ben Griffiths is he isn't very good. We all want him to be but.....
He is tall and strong and can kick the footy a long way but he doesn't have the desire to make it as a decent AFL footballer.
The club finally realized it with J. Post a few years back and I recon they will with Ben at the end of this year.
I personally think Post was a better footballer the Ben.
This game is tough, Ben Griffiths just doesn't have what it takes IMO.
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I think the harsh reality about Ben Griffiths is he isn't very good. We all want him to be but.....
He is tall and strong and can kick the footy a long way but he doesn't have the desire to make it as a decent AFL footballer.
The club finally realized it with J. Post a few years back and I recon they will with Ben at the end of this year.
I personally think Post was a better footballer the Ben.
This game is tough, Ben Griffiths just doesn't have what it takes IMO.
Agree eight posts are enough
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I think the harsh reality about Ben Griffiths is he isn't very good. We all want him to be but.....
He is tall and strong and can kick the footy a long way but he doesn't have the desire to make it as a decent AFL footballer.
The club finally realized it with J. Post a few years back and I recon they will with Ben at the end of this year.
I personally think Post was a better footballer the Ben.
This game is tough, Ben Griffiths just doesn't have what it takes IMO.
Should be played as a Ruck/Forward rather than a forward with a little bit of ruck. Would rather him than Hampson currently as at least Griff can kick and can take a grab.
It seems that he needs to be in the game and doesn't do well with long stints in the forward line with the ball not coming down or coming down haphazardly.
I agree he needs to show more intensity but earlier this year he had shown improvement. A player that plays better with good players around him. Would be a star at Hawthorn.
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I think the harsh reality about Ben Griffiths is he isn't very good. We all want him to be but.....
He is tall and strong and can kick the footy a long way but he doesn't have the desire to make it as a decent AFL footballer.
The club finally realized it with J. Post a few years back and I recon they will with Ben at the end of this year.
I personally think Post was a better footballer the Ben.
This game is tough, Ben Griffiths just doesn't have what it takes IMO.
Agree eight words are usually enough for me.
efa
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I'm not convinced he has what it takes to be a good big man at afl,level, looks pretty good at times at vfl, then gets elevated and has his normal paltry 3-4 touches , picks and chooses his contests rather than steam roll ea pack
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I'm not convinced he has what it takes to be a good big man at afl,level, looks pretty good at times at vfl, then gets elevated and has his normal paltry 3-4 touches , picks and chooses his contests rather than steam roll ea pack
I really think that that is purely a confidence thing. We mustn't forget he has been in and out of the team and even though he has been there 4 years has only played around 30 games.
Last couple of games he has been poor but prior to that was doing ok. Hard to rack up possessions in a forward line not seeing the ball and when it finally does come in they almost always look for Jack.
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Not going to waste my time commenting on Ben anymore
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Will it be Sydney or Port that make a player of him?
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Not going to waste my time commenting on Ben anymore
Good decision, I'd stick to bagging Miles if I were you ;D
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Reports are he s holding out on re signing a contract with RFC with a bit of interest about from rivals :shh
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Reports are he s holding out on re signing a contract with RFC with a bit of interest about from rivals :shh
If this is true, what do rival teams see in him that many here do not?
I certainly can see it.
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Reports are he s holding out on re signing a contract with RFC with a bit of interest about from rivals :shh
If this is true, what do rival teams see in him that many here do not?
I certainly can see it.
My guess is given the career about face turnarounds of sarge and matt white at another level, clubs will all be thinking sheesh , the only way is up after a stint at tigerland, I think most would be amazed at the interest griff and particularly Tv would generate. Vickery is very agile, most would see him as a permanent ruck
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Would both be restricted FA's?
Take what we can for both and bring in some big blokes with mongrel.
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Reports are he s holding out on re signing a contract with RFC with a bit of interest about from rivals :shh
Give me a break
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if shaun hampson can garner pick 28 after 7 yrs of nothing at age 26, surely griffiths after just 4 yrs of nothing and the ripe old age of 22 can garner a pick 20 - 25. trouble is theres a good pool of talls this draft.
geez pick 3, 21, 25, 39, 57. a good recruiting team could do some real damage with those sort of picks. im already drooling at the prospect. throw in a good psd pick and one or two free agents and things could be turned around quite quickly.
Reports are he s holding out on re signing a contract with RFC with a bit of interest about from rivals :shh
If this is true, what do rival teams see in him that many here do not?
I certainly can see it.
My guess is given the career about face turnarounds of sarge and matt white at another level, clubs will all be thinking sheesh , the only way is up after a stint at tigerland, I think most would be amazed at the interest griff and particularly Tv would generate. Vickery is very agile, most would see him as a permanent ruck
lol vickery wont make it as a ruckman. pea hearts struggle in that role.
its not his attributes or his ability its the lack of ticker mongrel heart call it what you want but vickery is weak as pee.
weather it comes back to bite you or not sometimes you have to make a hard call. we should be looking to trade vickery 6 yrs in and he looks further away than ever.
ffs griffiths was very close to being cut last yr after doing absolutely nothing at afl level. even this yr his best has been hardly passable.
its maybe one yr too early to cut him but id be up for trading him. just as long as we targeted a well credentialled tall fwd kid to replace him. how about griffiths to gws and jaksch to us.
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Reports are he s holding out on re signing a contract with RFC with a bit of interest about from rivals :shh
Give me a break
He'd be lucky to have an AFL career when his current contract is up yet the suitors are lining up. :ROTFL
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I can see some coaches thinking they have something to work with..
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Reports are he s holding out on re signing a contract with RFC with a bit of interest about from rivals :shh
Give me a break
He'd be lucky to have an AFL career when his current contract is up yet the suitors are lining up. :ROTFL
Well so far he s prob achieved about as much as sarge ever did at RFC and he s a chance for the Coleman this year.....still laughing ::) :wallywink :banghead :whistle
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Reports are he s holding out on re signing a contract with RFC with a bit of interest about from rivals :shh
Give me a break
He'd be lucky to have an AFL career when his current contract is up yet the suitors are lining up. :ROTFL
Well so far he s prob achieved about as much as sarge ever did at RFC and he s a chance for the Coleman this year.....still laughing ::) :wallywink :banghead :whistle
When reading your posts I'll never stop. ;D
The original post is drivel at best and then to counteract the drivel you present something that has nothing remotely to do with what we are originally talking about. Would shudder to think if there is any source you get your mail from and what source it would be. Keep playing that card its getting tiresome. Anyway keep up the good work and I hope Jack wins a third Coleman. :thumbsup
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Claw,
unfortunately we can't trade with ourselves otherwise we'd easily get pick 20-25 for anyone we wanted. ;D
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Melbourne Vixens are interested in signing him up for there mixed team on Tuesday Nights
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Will do some damage at a freo or port
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I think the harsh reality about Ben Griffiths is he isn't very good. We all want him to be but.....
He is tall and strong and can kick the footy a long way but he doesn't have the desire to make it as a decent AFL footballer.
The club finally realized it with J. Post a few years back and I recon they will with Ben at the end of this year.
I personally think Post was a better footballer the Ben.
This game is tough, Ben Griffiths just doesn't have what it takes IMO.
Agree eight posts are enough
FO
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Griffiths doesn't win enough of the footy. I remember reading when we recruited him that he averaged sub 10 possessions a game at junior level as well. His reserve performances have been at this level. Great long kick but if you can't hold a mark as a key tall, I can't see a future.
Maybe you could give him another year if you could get him to do some weights and get some muscle in his upper body so that he could hold his marks. If you thought his frame could fill out. He is not quick or athletic enough to get the ball on the lead.
If another club offered something for Griffiths, you would have to take it. Sarge was a good player at Richmond that was played out of position and had to take what scraps Richo left for him. He looked exciting but never peaked at the tigers. I don't get a sense of excitement when I watch Griffiths, I don't get much of anything at all. Two possessions in a game of footy when you know your position is on the line is awful.
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If another club offered something for Griffiths, you would have to take it. Sarge was a good player at Richmond that was played out of position and had to take what scraps Richo left for him. He looked exciting but never peaked at the tigers. I don't get a sense of excitement when I watch Griffiths, I don't get much of anything at all. Two possessions in a game of footy when you know your position is on the line is awful.
Yeah he's been disappointing for sure. Remember the season Schulz spent at half back and even though played out of position he had a couple of 20+ possession games. Alternatively Griffiths inability to find the ball has been as you say a problem for a long time. His season high disposals this year is 11 from 10 games. He averages just over 7 after 5 years on the list..Just not enough.
Is it fitness or lack of hunger for the contest? Leaning towards the latter unfortunately..
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Griffiths doesn't win enough of the footy. I remember reading when we recruited him that he averaged sub 10 possessions a game at junior level as well. His reserve performances have been at this level. Great long kick but if you can't hold a mark as a key tall, I can't see a future.
Maybe you could give him another year if you could get him to do some weights and get some muscle in his upper body so that he could hold his marks. If you thought his frame could fill out. He is not quick or athletic enough to get the ball on the lead.
If another club offered something for Griffiths, you would have to take it. Sarge was a good player at Richmond that was played out of position and had to take what scraps Richo left for him. He looked exciting but never peaked at the tigers. I don't get a sense of excitement when I watch Griffiths, I don't get much of anything at all. Two possessions in a game of footy when you know your position is on the line is awful.
What are your thoughts on his contested marking, tackles, pressure acts? How many possession are you expecting per game given his size/age and the fact he's been thrown around forward/backmiddle ones/ttwos?
Do you believe he has the potential to do well for a hawthron or Geelong?
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The problem is with the midfielders who constantly twist & turn & kick sideways & just dont move the ball quickly enough. The forwards have no chance to lead & thats why they are caught at the back of the pack. You have players like Foley who just want to run out of the centre to do it all on his own which he gets right once every few seasons l think maybe 4 times for memory.
There lays the problem of not scoring goals & why Jack only has 35 to date.
When you have 200 cm players reaching fingertip to mark a ball is another problem & another problem is our smaller players allows the opposition to gang up on our forwards & block their lead & have done for a decade. You don't have to be a clever forward coach to work that out. Just have to be at the game to watch it unfold outside of the camera view.
We have the tools but they are not being shown how to play properly
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Will do some damage at a freo or port
please elaborate judge. we have a 4 year sample and there is absolutely nothing to suggest at afl he will do some serious damage.
if a club were to pick him up the risk factor would be exactly the same sort of risk we took with hampson.
if he leaves and manages to turn things around so be it. our focus should be on if he goes finding a better propusition. that should not be hard based on what hes dished up to date.
when this club is finally prepared to take the risk of letting what may become a decent player go to find hopefully better then we will start to find real improvement.
for starters the club needs to stop proclaiming players before they have done a thing. our supporters would not be so bitter if they did the same thing.
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Poor Griff......seems hes injured once again
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Doggies loading up big offer
Two other clubs also
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Will be the next Jay Schulz ... will become a decent player somewhere else.
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Doggies loading up big offer
Two other clubs also
define big
will it be trade or can he walk for peanuts?
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one criticism I just dont get about griff is the he doesnt want it enough accusation.
What is this based on? When I see a big man that lays 5-6 tackles a game to me that doesnt show a lack of desire or commitment - actually the opposite. The low possession count is concerning but it baffles me hearing this criticism.
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Based on his ridiculously high: contested marking, pressure acts, tackle statistics it seems
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one criticism I just dont get about griff is the he doesnt want it enough accusation.
It's not his fault if they don't kick it to him either. We have another Schulz situation on our hands with Griffiths (minus the TAC sponsorship thing) If he stays at Richmond they will always go to Jack instead of him ala Richo/Schulz. If he goes to another club he will more than likely prosper.
I'd like to see Richmond experiment with a couple of things in the remainder of the season, one of them would be pushing Jack up to CHF and Griffiths at a true FF for a few games.
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Agree
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one criticism I just dont get about griff is the he doesnt want it enough accusation.
What is this based on? When I see a big man that lays 5-6 tackles a game to me that doesnt show a lack of desire or commitment - actually the opposite. The low possession count is concerning but it baffles me hearing this criticism.
I tended to agree with that criticism although this year he does seem a lot better. In previous years he just didn't look like getting near it.
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Doggies loading up big offer
Two other clubs also
listening to SEN too were you , that's good there's demand means better currency :shh
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Doggies loading up big offer
Two other clubs also
listening to SEN too were you , that's good there's demand means better currency :shh
Whens he contracted to bojo?
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Griffiths out of contract end of this year
Was only re-signed for 1 year
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Griffiths out of contract end of this year
Was only re-signed for 1 year
There you go, as good as gone to the dogs and will kick 3 against us in our next encounter and towel up Chaplin...
Did I miss anything?
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one criticism I just dont get about griff is the he doesnt want it enough accusation.
What is this based on? When I see a big man that lays 5-6 tackles a game to me that doesnt show a lack of desire or commitment - actually the opposite. The low possession count is concerning but it baffles me hearing this criticism.
Doesn't get to enough contests TM, doesn't clunk enough contested marks, once or twice a game he ll take a towering mark over a garlett or zorco, for mine dosent look to have the appetite ....like others he ll prob make fools of us and become a decent ruck option, that's where I feel his future may be rather than kpp
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one criticism I just dont get about griff is the he doesnt want it enough accusation.
What is this based on? When I see a big man that lays 5-6 tackles a game to me that doesnt show a lack of desire or commitment - actually the opposite. The low possession count is concerning but it baffles me hearing this criticism.
Doesn't get to enough contests TM, doesn't clunk enough contested marks, once or twice a game he ll take a towering mark over a garlett or zorco, for mine dosent look to have the appetite ....like others he ll prob make fools of us and become a decent ruck option, that's where I feel his future may be rather than kpp
I agree he doesn't get to the right spots enough, however don't agree with not enough contested marks, wasn't he top 5 or 10 in the league for most of the games he played? Add to that high tackle count and high pressure acts and to me that paints a different picture. The weakness in his game for mine is he doesn't get enough cheap uncontested possessions, most of his are contested - this is because of 1 of 2 reasons - 1) he doesn't work hard enough to get free or 2) combination of him not being used enough by teammates and/or not being smart enough or fit enough with his running patterns.
If he didn't lay a tackle like Vickery I'd say yeah he's probably lazy and doesn't work hard enough like Vickery, but the fact he does all the hard stuff suggests he still needs to learn how to get off the leash a bit more which will just take time (and hopefully a new forward line coach)
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doesnt take enough contested marks?
Fast Fact: Ben Griffiths is ranked equal sixth in the competition for contested marks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-30/richmond-v-essendon-preview
please explain?
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If we could get a late second rounder for him we would be winning IMO.
Had long enough. Showed a little in spurts like J. Post but is never going to be what we want, and that's a big, hardworking CHF to make a contest and bring the ball to the deck.
So sick of soft big blokes like this on our list for too long.
He is no J. Schulz.
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Had long enough. 200cms are sposed to be a grade at 22,years old is it
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Had long enough. 200cms are sposed to be a grade at 22,years old is it
A grade :lol
He cannot even get a regular game in our sh/7 side screaming out for a KPF..
Yer it's Dimma's fault.
Give him another 5 years to cement his spot.
And we all wonder why we have been pathetic for so long.
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I agree haas had a heap of chances and no one to blame but himself , just once I'd like to see him grab the stuffen game by the horns , his last two games he had a miserable 3 possies , marvelous ::)
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My mistake big tone.
Playing mcgaune as first choice. Was the best scenario for long term development of the Richmond football club forward line.
As is playing him behind Aaron bloody Edwards
Bojangles I though you were getting at his game saving mark when the season was still alive
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McGuane is long gone and Edwards hasn't played much in the ones this year, what's his excuse for this year
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The pointis when he was ssposed to be developed in the ones in the forward line he wasplaying sevounds out of pposition.
So. What the forward line looking like 2015... :whistle
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My mistake big tone.
Playing mcgaune as first choice. Was the best scenario for long term development of the Richmond football club forward line.
As is playing him behind Aaron bloody Edwards
Says more about Ben than the other two IMO..
Do you genuinely think he will make it as an AFL footballer? Or is it hope because of his size?
I'll tell you right now, he will never make it.. Hasn't got the 'kill or be killed' attitude. And a few tackles doesn't hide that. It takes more than just a few good grabs occasionally.
Just my opinion and I'd be wrapt to be wrong. :cheers
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Will be part of a trade for Higgins who Richmond have been into for a while.
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McGuane is long gone and Edwards hasn't played much in the ones this year, what's his excuse for this year
Hampson (pushing Maric forward) and now injury. Also the fact is last few games were poo
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My mistake big tone.
Playing mcgaune as first choice. Was the best scenario for long term development of the Richmond football club forward line.
As is playing him behind Aaron bloody Edwards
Says more about Ben than the other two IMO..
Do you genuinely think he will make it as an AFL footballer? Or is it hope because of his size?
I'll tell you right now, he will never make it.. Hasn't got the 'kill or be killed' attitude. And a few tackles doesn't hide that. It takes more than just a few good grabs occasionally.
Just my opinion and I'd be wrapt to be wrong. :cheers
I reckon he's a better forward option than aedwards
Ruck hampson
Back Chaplin
I think you will find few 200cm in afl biw and hhistoricaly come good by 22.
I also reckon he will make it at another team
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Will be part of a trade for Higgins who Richmond have been into for a while.
Another injured player coming to Richmond. What a joke :banghead
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one criticism I just dont get about griff is the he doesnt want it enough accusation.
What is this based on? When I see a big man that lays 5-6 tackles a game to me that doesnt show a lack of desire or commitment - actually the opposite. The low possession count is concerning but it baffles me hearing this criticism.
Doesn't get to enough contests TM, doesn't clunk enough contested marks, once or twice a game he ll take a towering mark over a garlett or zorco, for mine dosent look to have the appetite ....like others he ll prob make fools of us and become a decent ruck option, that's where I feel his future may be rather than kpp
I agree he doesn't get to the right spots enough, however don't agree with not enough contested marks, wasn't he top 5 or 10 in the league for most of the games he played? Add to that high tackle count and high pressure acts and to me that paints a different picture. The weakness in his game for mine is he doesn't get enough cheap uncontested possessions, most of his are contested - this is because of 1 of 2 reasons - 1) he doesn't work hard enough to get free or 2) combination of him not being used enough by teammates and/or not being smart enough or fit enough with his running patterns.
If he didn't lay a tackle like Vickery I'd say yeah he's probably lazy and doesn't work hard enough like Vickery, but the fact he does all the hard stuff suggests he still needs to learn how to get off the leash a bit more which will just take time (and hopefully a new forward line coach)
Agree
Edited to correct quote
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Broken again. FRAGILE handle with care ;D plop plop plop how many years he been at the club. Superstar
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He's playing this week.
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Don't want Higgins. Spent most of his career injured. Was a very good player once upon a time but constantly breaks down. Griffiths injured again, hope we can finally get rid of this dud. Don't know how he lasted for so long. Non competitive.
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Don't want Higgins. Spent most of his career injured. Was a very good player once upon a time but constantly breaks down. Griffiths injured again, hope we can finally get rid of this dud. Don't know how he lasted for so long. Non competitive.
What about in a straight swap for Cotchin?
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Prefer Ross Higgins from Kingswood Country....would put a rocket up those bloody wogs Deledio & Conca and Miss Smarty Pants Emu Legs Edwards....
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Don't want Higgins. Spent most of his career injured. Was a very good player once upon a time but constantly breaks down. Griffiths injured again, hope we can finally get rid of this dud. Don't know how he lasted for so long. Non competitive.
Who said he's injured again? I thought he was back this week.
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Don't want Higgins. Spent most of his career injured. Was a very good player once upon a time but constantly breaks down. Griffiths injured again, hope we can finally get rid of this dud. Don't know how he lasted for so long. Non competitive.
Who said he's injured again? I thought he was back this week.
He has been named in the side but he was also on the injury list as 'Hip- test'
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Don't want Higgins. Spent most of his career injured. Was a very good player once upon a time but constantly breaks down. Griffiths injured again, hope we can finally get rid of this dud. Don't know how he lasted for so long. Non competitive.
Who said he's injured again? I thought he was back this week.
He has been named in the side but he was also on the injury list as 'Hip- test'
Thanks BT. :thumbsup
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He's playing this week.
yep sure is playing in the VFL where he belongs ;D
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Nice one Chris rock
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for the griffiths lovers, are there any left i have a question.
if in charge of the list would you be planning the future around ben griffiths and i will throw vickery in as well, or would you be hedging your bets,
on exposed form and time in the system a person would be crazy to do so.
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for the griffiths lovers, are there any left i have a question.
if in charge of the list would you be planning the future around ben griffiths and i will throw vickery in as well, or would you be hedging your bets,
on exposed form and time in the system a person would be crazy to do so.
I would always keep a 22 yo 200cm KPP that shows glimpses of talent rater than a 30+ year old has been. Many of these guys don't blossom till 24-25.
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On the 26th November 2009 two players careers held in the balance. At approximately 6:45pm the fortunes of both players were decided
Griffith to Richmond and Fyfe to Fremantle.
Would Fyfe be the player he is now if he was picked by us?
No doubt we'd be kicking ourselves yet again for picking a soft, pansy outside mid instead of a key position forward that's a solid mark and a booming kick.
RFC... the wreckers of the AFL, ruining players careers and breaking hearts for 32 years.
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On the 26th November 2009 two players careers held in the balance. At approximately 6:45pm the fortunes of both players were decided
Griffith to Richmond and Fyfe to Fremantle.
Would Fyfe be the player he is now if he was picked by us?
No doubt we'd be kicking ourselves yet again for picking a soft, pansy outside mid instead of a key position forward that's a solid mark and a booming kick.
RFC... the wreckers of the AFL, ruining players careers and breaking hearts for 32 years.
While I agree we are bad at developing our own, Griffiths was a dud at junior level. Fyfe at Richmond would still be on par with Dusty. Unfortunately, he would have developed a bad habit of going backwards and sideways.
If we recruited Fyfe, Pavlich, Franklin, Roughhead, Heppell, even with the dud coaches and development team, we would be playing finals. We have had our chances. Great players don't need a lot of coaching, its the average ones that need everything to go their way to make it.
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for the griffiths lovers, are there any left i have a question.
if in charge of the list would you be planning the future around ben griffiths and i will throw vickery in as well, or would you be hedging your bets,
on exposed form and time in the system a person would be crazy to do so.
Yep l would take the challenge & have both them firing as solid KPF & have them kicking goals. Rewoldt would come down the ground & l would load up the forward line with solid body medium sized players to protect the leads & be right under them. That's how you build a team like l said years ago when we took Lids & Tambo. Hawks proved it by building around Franklin & Roughy & won 2 premierships while years later we found out we have the mids but lack good forwards apart from Junk Time Jack who misses the easiest goals. We still have a problem in the forward line but we also now have older midfielders as well. The problem with our forwards is they are all demanding the ball when they should be getting in the way of the defenders to stop the 2 or 3 on 1 contests. Happens year after year week after week. Its basic football. trash all this zoning crap. Griffiths at CHF with some confidence would nail goals 55 out. why go right into goals when you have a huge kicker to go over the top. l have only watched up to half way through the secnd quarter of last week & Richmond went down the guts & played great footy. l would have Vickery at FF & Griffiths at CHF & JR running free around the forward line. Laeve them there all year & make them work & they will learn what to do & gain confidence. No use dropping them & switching them to ruck or down back. make them permanent & keep them there. Roach & Cloke worked. The CHF spot is very important. 1 quick kick out of the centre to a leading Griffith he would bang the ball easy. We must persist with Vickery & Griffiths & the most important is too draft a very young TAC ruck. Ellis & Martin roaming that forward 50 while Cotchin, Miles, Jackson, Vlaustin, Conca & a few others carry the ball. We have the players but they must work harder together. You will never win a premiership with a unstable team. Give them each 2 years to get it right or off with my head ;D
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He's playing this week.
yep sure is playing in the VFL where he belongs ;D
Maybe but would rather Griff than some of the other spuds
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for the griffiths lovers, are there any left i have a question.
if in charge of the list would you be planning the future around ben griffiths and i will throw vickery in as well, or would you be hedging your bets,
on exposed form and time in the system a person would be crazy to do so.
Would persevere with Griffiths over Vickery. At least Griffiths lays tackles, takes contested marks and has a crack and I believe he can still be educated to offer something up forward - Vickery looks disinterested half the time and for the amount of time, faith and perseverance put into him by the caching staff Im very concerned by what he's dished up to date.
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We have the players but they must work harder together.
The single biggest reason we have dropped off this year - the difference in work rate and effort between this year and last is huge to say the least.
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We have the players but they must work harder together.
The single biggest reason we have dropped off this year - the difference in work rate and effort between this year and last is huge to say the least.
x 2
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Yep, it's simplistic to say we overachieved last year - can you really over achieve by that much? List has holes no doubt but we ain't the Saints.
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for the griffiths lovers, are there any left i have a question.
if in charge of the list would you be planning the future around ben griffiths and i will throw vickery in as well, or would you be hedging your bets,
on exposed form and time in the system a person would be crazy to do so.
I would always keep a 22 yo 200cm KPP that shows glimpses of talent rater than a 30+ year old has been. Many of these guys don't blossom till 24-25.
Ill put my name to this too, Its amazing how many people wrote Rance, Ashbury etc off. Im guilty of it too at times but these guys you need to give time. Compare the time and games Vickery has been given compared to Griffiths. Lets hope we are correct not you Claw with this one.
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So how's the forward line shaping up 2015
Newman a Edwards grigg
King reiwoldt thomas
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for the griffiths lovers, are there any left i have a question.
if in charge of the list would you be planning the future around ben griffiths and i will throw vickery in as well, or would you be hedging your bets,
on exposed form and time in the system a person would be crazy to do so.
Would persevere with Griffiths over Vickery. At least Griffiths lays tackles, takes contested marks and has a crack and I believe he can still be educated to offer something up forward - Vickery looks disinterested half the time and for the amount of time, faith and perseverance put into him by the caching staff Im very concerned by what he's dished up to date.
would agree with that. prefer to give griffiths another season than vickery. long term we must look to replace both of em though. the attitude based on what we have had for 6 and 4yrs respectively has to be they wont be good enough and we load up with tall fwds accordingly.so what im saying is yeah keep one or even both if need be would trade vickery, but do something about the real possibility of neither of them making it.
where will we be at if in all likelyhood both fail in 2 or 3 yrs time. i keep saying load up with tall fwds until we are sure we have what we need.
unfortunately for us vickery has just had a contract extension and wont be going anywhere until the end of 2016. ah list management.we have 3 200cm ruck/fwds
me i cant see how we can hang on to all three mcbean, griffiths, and vickery, one of em has to go and griffiths is out of contract. see ya ben you make way for a pure kpf like mccartin..and yeah i know this contradicts in some ways what i said above.i dont think you can hang onto 3 players of the same type based purely on hope and a prayer. you have to address the deficiencies.
Yep, it's simplistic to say we overachieved last year - can you really over achieve by that much? List has holes no doubt but we ain't the Saints.
you sure can. you see it all the time. bloody hell our own past history says so.look at 2001/2002. sometimes the simple things are the true and right reasons.
last yr we were a 5th thru 14th side.in this i mean there was little difference between those 10 sides fighting for the bottom 4 spots in the 8. we had a lot of things go our way in fact we could not have asked for such a dream run. in this context i ask did we greatly over achieve to me the answer is no.it was never ever going to take much to derail our yr. or take much improvement from sides around us to go past us.
my gut feel last yr was melbourne before roos was even appointed could potentially finish above us this yr or be close., wb was another.the only two teams i felt who had no chance this yr was stkilda and brisbane.this was done based on some pretty simple criteria.thats how even i thought the competition.
i think people forget there are 17 other teams all striving for what we are. we arent stkilda atm but continue to fail in key areas and we soon will be.
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Fair call claw, when you look at contract scenarios and where they're at, Ben is looking the most likely to get the a.
and spot on about there being 8 or so sides who could finish anywhere between 5-14 depending on extenuating circumstances like draw, injuries and most importantly form/confidence. There isn't much between sides these days, doesn't take much to yoyo dramatically
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From BF:
"He [Griffiths] doesn't like the fact that he was made to run out a game (vs. Bulldogs) while injured and he doesn't like the way he is being made to push up the ground because the ball gets kicked over his head to constantly.
Hes had a few one on ones with the coaching staff and leadership group re: his sustained efforts during training. "
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/where-will-ben-griffiths-go.1062259/page-17#post-34173754
"The only interest in Griffiths last year was Pick #48 from St Kilda (which they eventually used to get Josh Bruce).
If he does leave, thanks to his early exposed form you may get a better return on that (albeit maybe not much) from any club that isn't St. Kilda or Brisbane. "
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/where-will-ben-griffiths-go.1062259/page-17#post-34174360
1. He doesn't like the role he is being made to play in the forward line (he is being made to push up the ground and drag his opponent out of the forward 50) because it means that more often than not, the play bypasses him and the ball is kicked over his head into the forward 50.
2. He has been pulled up at training on a number of occasions due to his lack of effort and intensity on the training track.
Has a contract (from May) sitting in front of him, the word from my source inside the club is that his management is stalling in signing it (similar to Betts last year) because he has a deal at another club already, or is sourcing a better deal elsewhere.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/where-will-ben-griffiths-go.1062259/page-18#post-34176692
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Again with Ben the elephant in the room...his efforts on the park rears its ugly head
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He sounds pretty lazy for a player who has achieved very little.
Typical Gen Y? Needs to grow the farq up.
Had every opportunity to grasp a forward spot this year but didn't.
Is so often miraculously where the ball isn't..
Ben simply isn't fit enough, not hard enough and doesn't want it enough.
Basically whilst he has some skills his workrate is nowhere near where it needs to be to be a success in the AFL as a key forward.
Until he gets that through his head he won't ever make it.
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He sounds pretty lazy for a player who has achieved very little.
Typical Gen Y? Needs to grow the farq up.
Had every opportunity to grasp a forward spot this year but didn't.
Is so often miraculously where the ball isn't..
Ben simply isn't fit enough, not hard enough and doesn't want it enough.
Basically whilst he has some skills his workrate is nowhere near where it needs to be to be a success in the AFL as a key forward.
Until he gets that through his head he won't ever make it.
Sounds like that's by the coaches instructions so can't blame him for being away from the ball (if you believe what those big footy posters say which obviously you do)
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He sounds pretty lazy for a player who has achieved very little.
Typical Gen Y? Needs to grow the farq up.
Yep Gen Y are certainly not team players.
:lol
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He sounds pretty lazy for a player who has achieved very little.
Typical Gen Y? Needs to grow the farq up.
Yep Gen Y are certainly not team players.
:lol
There is no difference between generations. There are bad/good, greedy/selfless people from each and every generation. All generations have suffered and prospered at different times, relative to the times. All speculation of the 'character' of different generations is horse poo.
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Yes Dimma get rid of Ben just like you got rid of Matty and only reluctantly gave Miles a game.
Your judgement of a good football player is impeccable. :huh :huh :huh
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He sounds pretty lazy for a player who has achieved very little.
Typical Gen Y? Needs to grow the farq up.
Yep Gen Y are certainly not team players.
:lol
There is no difference between generations. There are bad/good, greedy/selfless people from each and every generation. All generations have suffered and prospered at different times, relative to the times. All speculation of the 'character' of different generations is horse poo.
One thing is for certain - all generations have DH's and all have many in them who don't understand other generations....
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Yes Dimma get rid of Ben just like you got rid of Matty and only reluctantly gave Miles a game.
Your judgement of a good football player is impeccable. :huh :huh :huh
Matt White is crap, what's your point
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if we aren't getting the best from Griff or maybe this is as good as it gets with him.What do we do to see him blossom,undoubtedly he has all the skills and then some.
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Huge first q in the twos
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if we aren't getting the best from Griff or maybe this is as good as it gets with him.What do we do to see him blossom,undoubtedly he has all the skills and then some.
I reckon he has vast reserves to tap into to. I'd play him ruck full time and flog him on the training track, could be anything and tbh I don't think he's very far off a break out game
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was good in the twos today. Should come in for Vix.
Please no Hampson.
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Yeah give him one last crack. Even if he is intent on leaving, a couple of good performances may at least bump up his trade value a smidgen.
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Yeah give him one last crack. Even if he is intent on leaving, a couple of good performances may at least bump up his trade value a smidgen.
Problem is if he a few half decent games (or kicks a ball 60m) he will be proclaimed as the saviour for our CHF woes
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if as a club we continue to fail to make hard calls on terribly underperforming players we will continue to fail as a club.
it has nothing to do with weather griffiths goes to another club and becomes a good player. at richmond hes been terrible and we just cant afford to hang onto these types for 6 0r 7 yrs of practically nothing.
if we insist on hanging onto him in hope then we had damn well better have plenty of younger options in our system for when the likely delisting does occur down the track.
im going to say it one more time, 200cm tall players dont make for great kpfs in most cases.
jack dyers ild saying of, he plays where the ball aint really does sum up both vickery and in particular griffiths.
surely supporters and the club have seen at least enough of both these players to know we need some sort of contingency plan in place for the very real possibility that both will fail.
what i want to know is even if all three of our so called 200cm kpfs mcbean,vickery,griffiths somehow show enough to be played how the hell do you play them with the not very quick 195cm riewoldt.
as a club we have too many of the wrong type good list structure and management imo says we have to cut at least one of em and replace em with a more conventional type of kpf.
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Don't let me down you big galah. Have publicly backed you in on oer
reckon this guy is not too far off a break out game. Has all the tools: moves really well, big leap, strong hands, kicks like a mule - and I reckon he wants it bad enough. Just needs to put it together in one game so that he can believe that he belongs.
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Waiting Ben
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Disagree Claw ..Vickerys body is where the ball is but alas not his brain
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if as a club we continue to fail to make hard calls on terribly underperforming players we will continue to fail as a club.
it has nothing to do with weather griffiths goes to another club and becomes a good player. at richmond hes been terrible and we just cant afford to hang onto these types for 6 0r 7 yrs of practically nothing.
if we insist on hanging onto him in hope then we had damn well better have plenty of younger options in our system for when the likely delisting does occur down the track.
im going to say it one more time, 200cm tall players dont make for great kpfs in most cases.
jack dyers ild saying of, he plays where the ball aint really does sum up both vickery and in particular griffiths.
surely supporters and the club have seen at least enough of both these players to know we need some sort of contingency plan in place for the very real possibility that both will fail.
what i want to know is even if all three of our so called 200cm kpfs mcbean,vickery,griffiths somehow show enough to be played how the hell do you play them with the not very quick 195cm riewoldt.
as a club we have too many of the wrong type good list structure and management imo says we have to cut at least one of em and replace em with a more conventional type of kpf.
This is what I say to all my friends - has all the tools but always is where the ball aint!
Having said that, he has been asked to play as a decoy many times to bring kpd's out of our forward line for Jack and Tyrone, so the plan is not to kick it to him.
He needs to step up. Plays better on the ball/ruck.
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I'm glad we picked him ahead of Fyfe. :clapping
:gotigers :rollin :thumbsup
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Disagree Claw ..Vickerys body is where the ball is but alas not his brain
vickery becomes extinct in just about every game he plays.so i suppose we disagree.
have said this before if you could combine both vickery and griffiths you might get a good player. but even then that player would lack hunger and competetiveness he would still only play the game on his terms.
look the point im making here is not so much aimed at griffiths or vickery.
it more about the shocking processes we go thru as a club. no one can argue we have regularly constantly and repetetively hung onto far too players for far too long who have been down right ordinary and shown little or no improvement in performances.
this kind of list management is killing us and has killed us for the last 30 yrs.
i understand that in trading out or cutting players with talent like vickery and griffiths you may give away what becomes a decent player. but from list management point of view we must be prepared to take that risk.
in turning over players it will happen not just to us but all clubs it comes with the territory.we will also trade out players that never do a thing.
for me we are at a stage where we cant afford to rely on these blokes becoming very good players we must at the least have a plan B in place.
all ive really said up to now is they dont look likely, lets load up on talls, so we are in a position to cut these underperformers if need be.
its only this yr that ive actually called for vickerys head. that is for us to trade or delist him. yes ive been highly critical and will remain so. ive always advocated we keep him but ffs in keeping him get some GENUINE kpfs tall fwds into our sytem thru the nd.
my view is we have mcbean, vickery, and griffiths, all 200cm players and fair dinkum no one can say if we have a genuine kpf among the 3 of em. imo we have 3 fwd/rucks or ruck/fwds we dont need that number. we are in a position to trade one out and we should. lets go out and draft a cameron type or gunston or cloke type lets get one of these types big natural fwds and cut one of underperformers that atm is neither a good enough fwd or good enough ruckman. of the three ive mentioned griffiths is by far the worst performed trade him out and lets go search for that badly need second kpf.
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Agree. We need to make a call on a lot of guys this year but I reckon we will hang onto them.
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Claw if you bothered to check this years stats you would find that Vickery and Griffiths are almost on a par for their overall stats.
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Played ok today.....needs to smash em next week
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went ok today ... just ok
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Took a fair few marks but went missing for long periods as well
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Would of looked 10x better if he nailed at least one more
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Putrid as always. I watched him really closely today and I hate to say it but he hates body contact. Not an ideal sport for someone who does. Couldn't even tackle boys today. Not once ..
I hope I never see this imposter ever again in a Tigers jumper. I just can't have him.
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Took a fair few marks but went missing for long periods as well
Agree Chucky. 7 marks is a decent return overall but there were periods where he went missing. Mind you TV does the same.
If Griffs had dobbed the couple of long goals he missed then his impact on the game would've been more substancial.
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I'd put Big Ben on Jakey Carlisle and let's see what he can do - versitility wise. I'd bring in the string beaner to take his place in the forward line and ask Eeeevan to take up the on onouros task of basically rucking the entire match.
The key to winning next week is stopping Carlisle. Rance has been amazing this year but isn't big enough to beat him one on one.
Chaplain will need to be at his "3rd man in" best to help Big Ben.
If it's wet, then I'd bring in McDonuts to crumb up forward.
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I thought he went fine. Was serviceable in the ruck, provided a get out kick it down the line target, took some nice marks, chased and tackled. Increase his possessions by half dozen and we have a winner.
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Took some good marks. Pity missed two gettable shots for him.
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when he gets the ball he should put it into orbit every time rather than these half assed controlled kicks
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He need to always lead , no good trying to take on 2or 3 defenders in a pack situation. - poor coaching ?
But played a pretty good game overall.
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Yes frustrating seeing him call for it over the top.
Leads straight and marks.
And FFS why do we keep kicking to the pockets? Seems only Shedwards can jag them from that angle...somehow...
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I thought he went fine. Was serviceable in the ruck, provided a get out kick it down the line target, took some nice marks, chased and tackled. Increase his possessions by half dozen and we have a winner.
Didn't have a tackle according to the stats. :whistle
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
Probably should have said serviceable. He did make a tackle that led to a turnover for us through the pressure it caused but because it didn't "dispossess" the opponent it wasn't counted as a stat.
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
In fairness big tone, he wasn't the only bloke to drop sitters yesterday
I thought he was OK, wasn't good, wasn't terrible like a couple of others, just went OK
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
In fairness big tone, he wasn't the only bloke to drop sitters yesterday
I thought he was OK, wasn't good, wasn't terrible like a couple of others, just went OK
In fairness WP, none other stood out to me like that one.
But is that really the point? You have a guy trying to save his career and he drops sitters, misses goals and doesn't have a tackle in his first game back after getting two touches for an entire game.
Sorry mate, it's not good enough for a bloke in season 5.
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
Also he took a critical grab in either 3 or 4th quarter in the back half.
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
dont think anyone has suggested he be dropped. yes riewoldt had a shocker and deserves criticism as well. thing is riewoldt has runs on the board and has actually played a lot of footy at the required level.
griffiths has hardly played a game at the required level in 5 yrs.
anyway you wont have to worry about griffiths being dropped. ATM THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER OPTION AND THAT IS ELTON. Ist a sad state of affairs duds playing in the seniors and no juniors or reserves to put pressure on em and take their place.
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Don't think there are many clubs where if a key position players goes down or in this case suspended and theres a ready made replacement
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
Also he took a critical grab in either 3 or 4th quarter in the back half.
We were playing GWS, there was nothing "critical" in the game. :lol
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
dont think anyone has suggested he be dropped. yes riewoldt had a shocker and deserves criticism as well. thing is riewoldt has runs on the board and has actually played a lot of footy at the required level.
griffiths has hardly played a game at the required level in 5 yrs.
anyway you wont have to worry about griffiths being dropped. ATM THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER OPTION AND THAT IS ELTON. Ist a sad state of affairs duds playing in the seniors and no juniors or reserves to put pressure on em and take their place.
Big tone suggested we drop him in the changes for the bombers thread. :whistle
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
Also he took a critical grab in either 3 or 4th quarter in the back half.
We were playing GWS, there was nothing "critical" in the game. :lol
Did you see how close they came to beating us. We played crap and were lucky. It was a critical mark in the context of the game. Suggest you have another look at it..
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His long kicking is a brilliant weapon when playing ruck / when he's around backline
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I can understand the frustration by some as he has ability to do play tall and small.
Did anyone notice he took 7 marks and had 10 possessions - that's not bad
We just need to keep playing him , one mistake is just that, one mistake.
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In fairness WP, none other stood out to me like that one.
Thought Grimes was worse ;D
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
dont think anyone has suggested he be dropped. yes riewoldt had a shocker and deserves criticism as well. thing is riewoldt has runs on the board and has actually played a lot of footy at the required level.
griffiths has hardly played a game at the required level in 5 yrs.
anyway you wont have to worry about griffiths being dropped. ATM THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER OPTION AND THAT IS ELTON. Ist a sad state of affairs duds playing in the seniors and no juniors or reserves to put pressure on em and take their place.
Big tone suggested we drop him in the changes for the bombers thread. :whistle
I would drop him never to be seen again.
Griffith will never make it at AFL level.
We should start a 'put your balls on the line and say who you think will or will not make it thread' and revisited it every year. I'm happy to start with Griff.
It may sort out the posters that vote with their heart as opposed to the ones that don't. :gotigers
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In fairness WP, none other stood out to me like that one.
Thought Grimes was worse ;D
Once again I think you are missing the point. Now you are comparing a player that is putrid with a guy that had a putrid game.
You think Grimes had a shocker and he did, and you're saying Griff wasn't as bad. Not a great vote of confidence for Griff really.
Do you think Griff will make it at AFL level?
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
dont think anyone has suggested he be dropped. yes riewoldt had a shocker and deserves criticism as well. thing is riewoldt has runs on the board and has actually played a lot of footy at the required level.
griffiths has hardly played a game at the required level in 5 yrs.
anyway you wont have to worry about griffiths being dropped. ATM THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER OPTION AND THAT IS ELTON. Ist a sad state of affairs duds playing in the seniors and no juniors or reserves to put pressure on em and take their place.
Big tone suggested we drop him in the changes for the bombers thread. :whistle
I would drop him never to be seen again.
Griffith will never make it at AFL level.
We should start a 'put your balls on the line and say who you think will or will not make it thread' and revisited it every year. I'm happy to start with Griff.
It may sort out the posters that vote with their heart as opposed to the ones that don't. :gotigers
In all fairness, it's hard to make calls on big guys as some take much longer to improve for various reasons. Schultz could play at Richmond. We all saw it. However, he never applied himself and thus failed. Given another chance, he has blossomed. Griff has all the tools except he does go out of games and his mental toughness is questionable. Whether he can improve that aspect of his game is debatable. I just feel that we have duds with half of his ability and have wrongly kept them for longer. Big guys that have his skills are in short supply. I just feel he maybe close to a break out game if we persist with him. The way we played earlier in the year didn't help him either.
I don't agree that he was putrid on Saturday. I watched him closely. He influenced the game with his marking and a couple of booming kicks. Serviceable without being anything special is a fair assessment which most posters here would agree with. Putting it another way, he has improved this year - his stats show that. If he continues this improvement he will become a handy player for us.
Look what he has had to cope with in his short career:
- drafted with a wonky shoulder that was operated on
- dirty essendon player then dislocates it by force in a game and needs a total reconstruction with bone graft
- not given games like others by Dimma as the coach favours putting games into Vickery
- left to wallow in a putrid reserves team called Coburg and stagnates like most of our juniors
- gets one game last year and gets dropped immediately never to return which shoots his confidence to bits
- has a great preseason and starts off the season well (was fifth in the AFL for contested marks after a few games and first at Richmond for pressure acts)
- our chip chip chip style means that he never gets the ball as the only time it makes to the forward line it is directed at Jack
I think the above reasons means he should be given another year IMHO. He may not make it, but hell, he needs to be given a good chance to show what he has to offer.
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if the coaching staff had half a brain they would be play griff for the rest of the season,that would give the club a clearer picture of whether hes worth persevering with
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
dont think anyone has suggested he be dropped. yes riewoldt had a shocker and deserves criticism as well. thing is riewoldt has runs on the board and has actually played a lot of footy at the required level.
griffiths has hardly played a game at the required level in 5 yrs.
anyway you wont have to worry about griffiths being dropped. ATM THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER OPTION AND THAT IS ELTON. Ist a sad state of affairs duds playing in the seniors and no juniors or reserves to put pressure on em and take their place.
Big tone suggested we drop him in the changes for the bombers thread. :whistle
I would drop him never to be seen again.
Griffith will never make it at AFL level.
We should start a 'put your balls on the line and say who you think will or will not make it thread' and revisited it every year. I'm happy to start with Griff.
It may sort out the posters that vote with their heart as opposed to the ones that don't. :gotigers
im happy to participate in that thread. i reckon i do it anyway.
with the talls i always refrain from calling for their heads until after yr 4. im probably vickerys harshest critic but ive only called for us to cut our losses with him this yr.
im happy to make a call on em earlier based purely on weaknesses and performance.
i reckon my first nomination would be vickery.
also i think people are missing one critical aspect of what i was saying with fjs drafts. we can argue about who is just a player edwards for instance but where is the quality outside of the top 5 picks. its not just about the ones who have made it and become decent players wheres the b and a graders outside of those top 5 picks.
having to have this debate with people sums up our club as well. we know we have to raise the bar even on okay players but when someone points this out noone it seems wants to acknowledge the need. deficient players are good enough it seems when people ask for the bar to be raised just a bit higher. surely people realise if we dont aim higher set the bar higher we will do what we always do and that is see sides shoot straight past us.
if juniors are safe in the short term we need to turn over at least half the list ffs we will turn over 18 20 players in the next 3 yrs as a normal practice.
its not hard to see the likes of jackson, chaplin, edwards, newman stephenson, foley, maric, knights, king, will have to be replaced in that time frame just from age alone.
we have a list that can only take us so far we have to turn over the likes of houli grigg edwards etc, the fact that a lot of these blokes are in the top 22 or 25 players just emphasises the amount of players we need to turn over.
if we aim high we may just accomplish something but we fail as supporters and a club to set the bar at a decent level and demand the best.
im sorry end of rant, this yr is likely to be my last so i carry on a bit. if they cant do the basics do what is needed at the end of this yr i wont be going around again im over supporting an organisation that continually sticks its head in the sand and fails to learn pretty simple lessons.
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claw how can you possibly put in all this effort disecting,discussing,probing,the club and then wash your hands of it ....Nope you owe it to yourself and the club you support to keep at them demanding success,whether that takes 1 or 100 years
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Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
dont think anyone has suggested he be dropped. yes riewoldt had a shocker and deserves criticism as well. thing is riewoldt has runs on the board and has actually played a lot of footy at the required level.
griffiths has hardly played a game at the required level in 5 yrs.
anyway you wont have to worry about griffiths being dropped. ATM THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER OPTION AND THAT IS ELTON. Ist a sad state of affairs duds playing in the seniors and no juniors or reserves to put pressure on em and take their place.
Big tone suggested we drop him in the changes for the bombers thread. :whistle
I would drop him never to be seen again.
Griffith will never make it at AFL level.
We should start a 'put your balls on the line and say who you think will or will not make it thread' and revisited it every year. I'm happy to start with Griff.
It may sort out the posters that vote with their heart as opposed to the ones that don't. :gotigers
im happy to participate in that thread. i reckon i do it anyway.
with the talls i always refrain from calling for their heads until after yr 4. im probably vickerys harshest critic but ive only called for us to cut our losses with him this yr.
im happy to make a call on em earlier based purely on weaknesses and performance.
i reckon my first nomination would be vickery.
also i think people are missing one critical aspect of what i was saying with fjs drafts. we can argue about who is just a player edwards for instance but where is the quality outside of the top 5 picks. its not just about the ones who have made it and become decent players wheres the b and a graders outside of those top 5 picks.
having to have this debate with people sums up our club as well. we know we have to raise the bar even on okay players but when someone points this out noone it seems wants to acknowledge the need. deficient players are good enough it seems when people ask for the bar to be raised just a bit higher. surely people realise if we dont aim higher set the bar higher we will do what we always do and that is see sides shoot straight past us.
if juniors are safe in the short term we need to turn over at least half the list ffs we will turn over 18 20 players in the next 3 yrs as a normal practice.
its not hard to see the likes of jackson, chaplin, edwards, newman stephenson, foley, maric, knights, king, will have to be replaced in that time frame just from age alone.
we have a list that can only take us so far we have to turn over the likes of houli grigg edwards etc, the fact that a lot of these blokes are in the top 22 or 25 players just emphasises the amount of players we need to turn over.
if we aim high we may just accomplish something but we fail as supporters and a club to set the bar at a decent level and demand the best.
im sorry end of rant, this yr is likely to be my last so i carry on a bit. if they cant do the basics do what is needed at the end of this yr i wont be going around again im over supporting an organisation that continually sticks its head in the sand and fails to learn pretty simple lessons.
The problem at Richmond for so long has been development claw. I'm sure if we got Fyfe he would be a dud at the tiges who couldn't kick.
Our reserves have been a problem for many years. This is only our first with our own. We must give it time to influence our progress. We definitely need a better reserves coach to assist this progress.
This year is a perfect example of where development can influence results big time. According to the players, our standard of training was poor earlier on. We played poorly as a result. We have picked up the standard and we have started to win. This is an example of a development of sorts. We have never been able to push the envelope of excellence at training at Richmond. Probably not since the Hafey days. Our club has been the refuge for the player after the good life - a fat pay check each week without ever having to give 100% every week. With the adulation of the fans enough for them they have never needed to demand excellence from themselves and their teammates.
You might think it's FJ's fault, but I think it's the culture that has been engrained into the very fibre of the club for so long that it never lets players go to the next level.
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In fairness WP, none other stood out to me like that one.
Thought Grimes was worse ;D
Once again I think you are missing the point. Now you are comparing a player that is putrid with a guy that had a putrid game.
You think Grimes had a shocker and he did, and you're saying Griff wasn't as bad. Not a great vote of confidence for Griff really.
Do you think Griff will make it at AFL level?
First of all regarding Grimes, I was talking about his dropped sitter, thought it was worse than Griffs ;D
And yes yesterday I thought overall Grimes' games was worse than Griffiths. Yesterday I thought our worst player was Newman with Grimes next... Griffiths was as I said just OK
In answer to your question about whether I think Griffiths will make it AFL level?
First few rounds of the season I would have argued strongly yes, now I think it is clear he will not make it at the RFC but will could make it at another Club if he got to a good one with the right development program in place.
So short answer is NO at Richmond but possibly YES at another Club
And that's in part an indictment on the RFC and it's poor development of players that's been the norm for far too long
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Still going to back this guy in - was serviceable yesterday
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:clapping
Thought he had a good game. Played up and down the ground. Kicked a beautiful goal from a good mark. Set two others up with two thumping kicks deep into the forward zone.
What about the sitter he dropped from a kick in from GWS? 10m clear and sh/7 himself.
If you think that was a good game, I feel sorry for ya. And did I mention he didn't have a tackle.
there was 10 players who only had 1 or fewer tackles in this game. what a disgrace.
typical griffiths game where he shows the odd glimpse but there is little substance to his game. those glimpses keep on reeling them in.
Did more than Riewoldt for the game. Nobody is suggesting we drop Jack. So he should be given another chance.
dont think anyone has suggested he be dropped. yes riewoldt had a shocker and deserves criticism as well. thing is riewoldt has runs on the board and has actually played a lot of footy at the required level.
griffiths has hardly played a game at the required level in 5 yrs.
anyway you wont have to worry about griffiths being dropped. ATM THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER OPTION AND THAT IS ELTON. Ist a sad state of affairs duds playing in the seniors and no juniors or reserves to put pressure on em and take their place.
Big tone suggested we drop him in the changes for the bombers thread. :whistle
I would drop him never to be seen again.
Griffith will never make it at AFL level.
We should start a 'put your balls on the line and say who you think will or will not make it thread' and revisited it every year. I'm happy to start with Griff.
It may sort out the posters that vote with their heart as opposed to the ones that don't. :gotigers
In all fairness, it's hard to make calls on big guys as some take much longer to improve for various reasons. Schultz could play at Richmond. We all saw it. However, he never applied himself and thus failed. Given another chance, he has blossomed. Griff has all the tools except he does go out of games and his mental toughness is questionable. Whether he can improve that aspect of his game is debatable. I just feel that we have duds with half of his ability and have wrongly kept them for longer. Big guys that have his skills are in short supply. I just feel he maybe close to a break out game if we persist with him. The way we played earlier in the year didn't help him either.
I don't agree that he was putrid on Saturday. I watched him closely. He influenced the game with his marking and a couple of booming kicks. Serviceable without being anything special is a fair assessment which most posters here would agree with. Putting it another way, he has improved this year - his stats show that. If he continues this improvement he will become a handy player for us.
Look what he has had to cope with in his short career:
- drafted with a wonky shoulder that was operated on
- dirty essendon player then dislocates it by force in a game and needs a total reconstruction with bone graft
- not given games like others by Dimma as the coach favours putting games into Vickery
- left to wallow in a putrid reserves team called Coburg and stagnates like most of our juniors
- gets one game last year and gets dropped immediately never to return which shoots his confidence to bits
- has a great preseason and starts off the season well (was fifth in the AFL for contested marks after a few games and first at Richmond for pressure acts)
- our chip chip chip style means that he never gets the ball as the only time it makes to the forward line it is directed at Jack
I think the above reasons means he should be given another year IMHO. He may not make it, but hell, he needs to be given a good chance to show what he has to offer.
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claw how can you possibly put in all this effort disecting,discussing,probing,the club and then wash your hands of it ....Nope you owe it to yourself and the club you support to keep at them demanding success,whether that takes 1 or 100 years
sorry mate i suppose the older you get the less important footy becomes. other priorities take place. its not just the rfc and the constant mistakes but the state of the game itself. for us older types its hardly footy any more so its a combination of things that has me disinchanted not just with the tiges who will alwys be in the blood but the game itself.
and to, yellowandblackblood. for sure development has been a big problem. but my stance on it is. if you recruit too many with basic deficiencies you can be the best development team in the world it wont help.
for me recruiting comes first. get good yougsters with all the basics and physical attributes in place and then let your teachers go to work. we just dont do this.
the head of the snake is the recruiters god damn fix it and all else will become much easier to achieve.
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It's either Griffiths or Hampson for the end of the year.
Bellchambers and Ryder will kill us next week.
Chance to see if Griff will stand up. Need to kick it to this guys chest straight in front. None of this pocket crap.
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He did pretty good the BBBG
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Yes.
All those morons riding Griffiths and Vickery take note.
They will be very good players in time.
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Griff will take a lot out of that, stood up and was telling in some big contests
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Great game from BG
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Played a real solid game.....hopefully will get better.....just clunks marks better than vickers......Hampson should never ever be allowed to play again
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Imagine what he'd be like if he had some urgency about him!!!
Neck on the line here but we'll be mad if we get rod of him yet.
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Hampson should be sacrificed in the middle of the MCG at halftime in the Grand Final we will be in this year.
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Great call, I'll suply the kindling, mart it down as this years donation to the FTF ;)
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Big Bad Bustling Bruising Benny G
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His marking on the wing and leaping ruck work is a clear strength
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Damn this kid..he just shows snipets of what am awesome talent he could be.
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Maybe just maybe this was a watershed game for him, time to become an integral part of the side and stamp his authority in ganes. Has every attribute a player could hope to have other than really believing in his own ability. Promising signs and hopefully a long term player for us, may also put the pressure on Vickery to lift himself too.
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His marking on the wing and leaping ruck work is a clear strength
Agree
Thought he was good last night. Crashed packs, took contested marks, gave good chip out in the ruck
Played his role well.
Damn this kid..he just shows snipets of what am awesome talent he could be.
Agree with this too :thumbsup
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Shame he's out of contract at year's end.
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Played a good game tonight. I think hes best position is as a 2nd ruckman playing around the ground. I think we should keep him on beyond this season but rumour has it that he will be leaving and that will be a shame coz he has all the tools to be a good player for the Richmond Football Club.
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VIDEO: Griffs post-match interview ....
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-09/round-20-griffiths-post-match
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Has a better offer from a rival club apparently. Surely we could match it if Newman stops being selfish and retires.
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Played a very good game, really imposed himself, if we lose him now it would be completely irresponsible of the RFC.
Griff will be a major part of the team next year IMO!!
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Played a very good game, really imposed himself, if we lose him now it would be completely irresponsible of the RFC.
Griff will be a major part of the team next year IMO!!
Agree, played well and looks better than Ty in this role.
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Maybe just maybe this was a watershed game for him, time to become an integral part of the side and stamp his authority in ganes. Has every attribute a player could hope to have other than really believing in his own ability. Promising signs and hopefully a long term player for us, may also put the pressure on Vickery to lift himself too.
He had a couple of games close to this at the start of the season but everybody seened to forget when he had a couple of bad ones (along with most of the team). I said any improvement this season would come from the 3 and 4 year bigs like Ashbury and Griff. I hope we keep him as I think he will make it and will be important part of our team. As far as effort goes I think he is one of those players that just looks like he is taking it easy at times but is not, there have been plenty of good players over the years like that. I saw (most of the year) him chasing and putting pressure or spoiling when he cant mark but others were not seing this. Good game Ben , stay with the Tigers
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Maybe just maybe this was a watershed game for him, time to become an integral part of the side and stamp his authority in ganes. Has every attribute a player could hope to have other than really believing in his own ability. Promising signs and hopefully a long term player for us, may also put the pressure on Vickery to lift himself too.
He had a couple of games close to this at the start of the season but everybody seened to forget when he had a couple of bad ones (along with most of the team). I said any improvement this season would come from the 3 and 4 year bigs like Ashbury and Griff. I hope we keep him as I think he will make it and will be important part of our team. As far as effort goes I think he is one of those players that just looks like he is taking it easy at times but is not, there have been plenty of good players over the years like that. I saw (most of the year) him chasing and putting pressure or spoiling when he cant mark but others were not seing this. Good game Ben , stay with the Tigers
I could see it too. There are a couple of posters on this forum that lambast him on every occasion. All I have said is give the guy the same opportunities as they have Vickery and he will be a very good player for us.
Can influence a game with his marking and kicking and is very good on the ground for a 200cm guy. Must be persevered with.
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Played a very good game, really imposed himself, if we lose him now it would be completely irresponsible of the RFC.
Griff will be a major part of the team next year IMO!!
Agree. Played a good game. Needs to continue working hard. Is a very good kick.
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Maybe just maybe this was a watershed game for him, time to become an integral part of the side and stamp his authority in ganes. Has every attribute a player could hope to have other than really believing in his own ability. Promising signs and hopefully a long term player for us, may also put the pressure on Vickery to lift himself too.
He had a couple of games close to this at the start of the season but everybody seened to forget when he had a couple of bad ones (along with most of the team). I said any improvement this season would come from the 3 and 4 year bigs like Ashbury and Griff. I hope we keep him as I think he will make it and will be important part of our team. As far as effort goes I think he is one of those players that just looks like he is taking it easy at times but is not, there have been plenty of good players over the years like that. I saw (most of the year) him chasing and putting pressure or spoiling when he cant mark but others were not seing this. Good game Ben , stay with the Tigers
I could see it too. There are a couple of posters on this forum that lambast him on every occasion. All I have said is give the guy the same opportunities as they have Vickery and he will be a very good player for us.
Can influence a game with his marking and kicking and is very good on the ground for a 200cm guy. Must be persevered with.
A couple of pickups at full pace were most impressive for a guy his size.
You guys are right about the whacking he cops from some tiger fans
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Has a better offer from a rival club apparently. Surely we could match it if Newman stops being selfish and retires.
The rival club aint stupid. This guy is a natural CHF imo. You need a CHF to offer a chop out deep on the wings a kick down from play and he's the only guy on our list who does this. Vickery (who I don't think is much of a fwd anyhow) is incidentally better closer to goal so hes not a CHF and I don't think you can play all 3 talls in the same team.
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Griff was great last night took some big grabs from the kick up the line and brought the ball to ground for our mids to get the ball.
Let's not undersell his clean pick up of the half volley in the last just kept the ball for us in close . Great to watch. Still think he can be better than Vickery.
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Has a better offer from a rival club apparently. Surely we could match it if Newman stops being selfish and retires.
Not a FA is he ?
Would have to seek a trade
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l thought he played a great role last night & can see improvement with every game he plays. l think he realises now what is needed to become a AFL player & not just a back up player & being afraid of making mistakes. This lad is starting to get confidence & is mixing his ability with his capabilities ;D
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Fractured his proximal phalanx in his hand.
Will probably need surgery (k wire).
Played on despite injuring it during the game.
Definitely not soft.
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Fractured his proximal phalanx in his hand.
Will probably need surgery (k wire).
Played on despite injuring it during the game.
Definitely not soft.
Can he play out the season with it or is he done?
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Fractured his proximal phalanx in his hand.
Will probably need surgery (k wire).
Played on despite injuring it during the game.
Definitely not soft.
Ahh, I thought it was just dislocated. :banghead
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Fractured his proximal phalanx in his hand.
Will probably need surgery (k wire).
Played on despite injuring it during the game.
Definitely not soft.
Poor bloke. Hopefully it's just a crack and doesn't need surgery, can't they just splint the fingers? That's all they did with my pinky when I broke mine (broke laterally so is still crooked to this day, but was middle phalanx). What's the recovery time with a k-wire? Those sorts of things irk me. When I broke my 5th metacarpal a few years ago they said I may need a k-wire. After youtubing some videos on the process I said no way. Luckily after I met the surgeon he said it was a clean break and needed a plate and screws. Recovery time was less because once they were in and out it was just healing time where as the wire would have needed healing time both when the wire was in and after it was out.
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Fractured his proximal phalanx in his hand.
Will probably need surgery (k wire).
Played on despite injuring it during the game.
Definitely not soft.
Can he play out the season with it or is he done?
If he avoids surgery he can play out the season. Can often get away with a finger splint. If a k wire is needed to align the bones, he will miss 2 to three and then splint.
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Fractured his proximal phalanx in his hand.
Will probably need surgery (k wire).
Played on despite injuring it during the game.
Definitely not soft.
Where'd you hear what he broke?
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VIDEO: Griffs post-match interview ....
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-09/round-20-griffiths-post-match
He is most definitely not comfortable in front of the camera!!
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Yeah give him one last crack. Even if he is intent on leaving, a couple of good performances may at least bump up his trade value a smidgen.
Problem is if he a few half decent games (or kicks a ball 60m) he will be proclaimed as the saviour for our CHF woes
Just saying
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Played pretty well. Good on him. Needs to play like that every week. That should be the norm not the exception. Maybe one day he might even get in our best players. :shh
Nar good on him.
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VIDEO: Griffs post-match interview ....
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-09/round-20-griffiths-post-match
He is most definitely not comfortable in front of the camera!!
That was difficult to watch smokey
Sounds like a very timid fella and plays like it at times
Has played some descent games this year though. Give him another year
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VIDEO: Griffs post-match interview ....
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-09/round-20-griffiths-post-match
He is most definitely not comfortable in front of the camera!!
That was difficult to watch smokey
Sounds like a very timid fella and plays like it at times
Has played some descent games this year though. Give him another year
Yep, thought the same thing Dan. I was all for getting rid of him mid-season after he dropped off again but he's come back well and keeps teasing with enough to say he MIGHT make it. But watching that made me think he might just have very serious confidence issues that could be causing much of his inconsistency. You would think the club could do a lot off-field and out of season to help with that.
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And we call that "development" smokey.
How to make Tarzan play like Tarzan.
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Griffiths grasps his chance
richmondfc.com.au
August 11, 2014
Griffiths - “I needed to get back to playing footy. I became a little bit too robotic . . . I have to simplify things a bit, and I’m doing that really well at the moment.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-08-11/griffiths-grasps-his-chance
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Played pretty well. Good on him. Needs to play like that every week. That should be the norm not the exception. Maybe one day he might even get in our best players. :shh
Nar good on him.
this. still think he vickery and mcbean have value and we dont need all three. would be looking to trade at least one of em.
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Played pretty well. Good on him. Needs to play like that every week. That should be the norm not the exception. Maybe one day he might even get in our best players. :shh
Nar good on him.
this. still think he vickery and mcbean have value and we dont need all three. would be looking to trade at least one of em.
I thought our list had massive KPP holes?
Cant have your cake and eat it
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Played pretty well. Good on him. Needs to play like that every week. That should be the norm not the exception. Maybe one day he might even get in our best players. :shh
Nar good on him.
this. still think he vickery and mcbean have value and we dont need all three. would be looking to trade at least one of em.
I thought our list had massive KPP holes?
Cant have your cake and eat it
oh we do. but how hard is it to take a small leap in logical thinking and say hey if we cut a tall we need to replace him with a tall. cmon judge stop acting like a child im sure you have a brain tucked away inside that head of yours somewhere.
so we have kpp holes but cant cut haccks, gotta why not. just replace em with a like player or even better real kpps. ive no time for your 6 of one half a dozen of the other types.
we dont need 3 200cm ruck/fwds one of em needs to be played either in a pcket or off the bench each week. we need to stop pretending what roles they can perform.
gotta ask why you think we cant replace talls with talls, why cant you grasp the simple fact that we can trade or delist a useless tall , and we can replacce em with a like player at the least. hopefully one that can become a good player.
while im asking questions how the hell do you play all of vickery, mcbean, and griffiths in the one fwd line alongside riewoldt. last time i looked all three are ruck/fwds and none of em are any good at either role.
yep we sure need kpps not inbetweeners like the hacks you adore so much.
oh just one more question as a refernce point. can you tell me just how many 200cm players have become very good stay at home kpfs. i can tell you now you will struggle to go past tippett.
to put it in very simple terms for you we dont need and cant play 3 200cm ruck/fwds. we play one on game day and have one in the wings playing reserves.
we need genuine fwds and theres plenty we could take in the nd who would be better options than the three mentioned.
im asking myself is this typical delusion from posters, a player has a passable game and finally plays at the required standard and hes suddenly a champion.
i for one would not hesitate to trade griffiths or vickery out and replace em with blokes who can play as permanent fwds god knows we are screaming out for one, and fit into our srtructure a lot better.
lets see if possible this yr id take lamb poick 9 ish and kietel pick 27ish. both tall fwds very different to the 200cm dinosaurs we have. id certainly be looking at sully a mature kpd with a rookie pick and id go after frawley as a f/a. if we traded griffiths or vickery we would then have a decent pick to use on a mid. it aint hard if you try judge, you just have to get over being so emotional about your favorite hacks,
yep we have kpp problems keeping hacks wont fix that problem.cutting hacks and replacing em with talent and in adequate numbers will.
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Essentially you'd like Griffiths and Vickery done away with
Replaced with two or three 18 year old kPp
That'll you will be asking to delist if they not shown enough after 24 months
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Big talls are the future. It's no handy cap having three on the list
I do reckon talls can be replaced with talls. But if its from the draft it's going take a long time for them to come to the prime. Or it's going to be a Frawley like dud. If u want pattons or natanui it's going cost sheepstations
Given the sub rules playing ruck and key forward is a valuable attribute. Not a negative
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Claw, you've got so caught up in your own list management BS that you're losing the plot.
Griff, is unproven, unfulfilled yes, but he ain't a hack. He still has the potential to be a very handy KPP. He's just one of those players that you've got it in for, like Rance, although you've gone quiet on him now.
You're prepared to defend Thomas, but then crap on and on about others being 'glass half fulls' or hacks, with too many deficiencies. You play favorites more than Dimma. I think you need to relax and just enjoy the footy for a bit.
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Fractured his proximal phalanx in his hand.
Will probably need surgery (k wire).
Played on despite injuring it during the game.
Definitely not soft.
Hopefully he'll play.
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Kicked a nice goal early, contested well as 2nd ruckman but I thought he came to the fore in the last 10 minutes with a couple of important plays that helped the team.
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Agreed.
Just wish he'd bag another goal or two each week.
That long goal was just pure awesome. Opposition clubs will be circling for sure.
I50 delivery was quite poor at times tonight. And slippery too. Hope he kicks a bag vs St Kilda.
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Needs to practice his goalkicking, , from 60 he makes the distance so easily but needs to nail more goals, could be a real weapon.
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I'd just have him kick 50 shots each day from the arc. 10 from in front, the wide pockets and half way between either side. Every single day. This guy's range should be a massive weapon.
On the other hand it was good to see him back himself to take those shots. Often he looks to dish off.
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Kicking over the zone from the hbf is an equally big weapon
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It's a pitty his timing was out because that leap could of been mark of the year.
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just rewatched his kick in the last qtr from the centre square.
Landed it in the goal square and Gordon kicked the goal.
You can hear his boot smacking the ball as he hits it.
Effortlessly.
How's the leap too ;D
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Reckon that was a vgood game from griff in those conditions, dropped a couple of marks and missed a couple of goals which would've been an exclamation mark on a solid game. You can almost see the belief in himself growing.
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Heaps better than Vickery IMHO. Adds more in the ruck with pack marking too and that booming kick. :thumbsup
Some more consistency at this level and he can be a 40-50 goal forward with his long range kicking. :thumbsup
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Heaps better than Vickery
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Yep, I would play him ahead of Vickery. Moves around the ground better, takes pack marks, kicks it 60+, rucks work is ok and tackles. Trade Vickery and keep Griff would be my call.
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wouldn't mind betting that over the next few years as Ivan slowly sails into the sunset,that Sideshow Bob and griff take over in a tandem act
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I'd keep both of them
They both have potential.
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Can we play all of Reiwoldt, Griff, Vickery and Maric?
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Griffo played well last night getting all around the ground. His long kicking made all the difference against the Crows. He is maturing & getting confidence. His still a danger to himself at times trying to body surf across the packs. He should leave doing that at pop concerts ;D
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Can we play all of Reiwoldt, Griff, Vickery and Maric?
No
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Just rewatched that goal from 65m out in the first quarter. What a weapon!!!
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Can we play all of Reiwoldt, Griff, Vickery and Maric?
No
Agree, I like the two talls + Maric + a medium like Gordon. Three talls has never worked for us
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It would be good if he improved his ruck work. He has quite some potential id keep him but id still look for another kpf in the draft.
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Can we play all of Reiwoldt, Griff, Vickery and Maric?
No
Agree, I like the two talls + Maric + a medium like Gordon. Three talls has never worked for us
Riewoldt griff McBean Maric will work :shh
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Can we play all of Reiwoldt, Griff, Vickery and Maric?
No
Agree, I like the two talls + Maric + a medium like Gordon. Three talls has never worked for us
Yep agree, and now with Lids playing across HF he also adds something as a medium/high HF
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Yes to the Awesome Foursome.
Shades of Edwards, Jurica, Richardson, Gale, Charles, Dear in the mix in 1995.
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Lids will win Coleman of played forward all season (75/80%. '15
Got a lot of weapons
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Lids = Nick Daffy
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Lids = koutafides :shh
Got more tools than robbieGray brust guns ton etc
Just needs the team to win th ball enough he isn't required back or mid
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Lids = koutafides :shh
Got more tools than robbieGray brust guns ton etc
Just needs the team to win th ball enough he isn't required back or mid
If he keeps doing what he's been doing the past 8 weeks off HF, i'll be very happy. That's his best position from his junior days, no coincidence he's taken to it like a duck to water. Will go to a new level if he settles there.
Daffy lol
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Contract wise he got a 1 year deal, need to offer him at least a couple I'd go 3. The kind of player that can really break open the ugly skirmish with a big grab and bigger kick. I'll stuffen spit if we lose him!
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This guy is very important to this side, must keep him, sign him for 3, we cant let a big man like this go...
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He owes the club.
Stuck by him through 3 or so injury plagued years.
Give him 2 years and renegotiate then
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Agree Ben owes the club.
Geelong are interested as a fwd ruck. We need to keep him and he needs to commit to us.
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Yes to the Awesome Foursome.
Shades of Edwards, Jurica, Richardson, Gale, Charles, Dear in the mix in 1995.
nearly 20 years down the track :lol think the game has change alot don't you think ;D
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Can we play all of Reiwoldt, Griff, Vickery and Maric?
No
Hf: Martin. Griffiths Cotchin
Ff. deledio. Riewoldt. McBean
Rotating - Lennon. Gordon petard sedwards
That would work
I think Vickery could fill in no worries
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The bean has shown glimpses of being a star,but icertainly wouldn't pencil him in my starting line up yet ,for he hasnt played a senior game yet and is therefore an unknown quantity at that level
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Small article in today's HUN that a number of clubs are interested Griffiths and that the Tigers are likely going to need to offer him a 2 year deal.
Article also said that they club had improved their offer to Astbury by increasing it from a 1 year deal to 2 year deal
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We would be completely neglectful and irresponsible not to sign this bloke up again. Honestly, who wouldn't want a player that can drop punt goals from 65 out in the wet and take the contested marks he does. He is one of the big improvers this year for mine, well since finally being giving the opportunity since Vicks went out he has been great. He is also very accurate and he has a excellent kicking style.
Must re-sign!!!!!
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2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
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2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
Yep...not me!!!
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2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
Not me!
I've always said that you cannot easily find 200cm players that can kick it 70m and are good below the knees and can take a mark.
The guy has never been given an extended chance to cement his place in the side. Still has much to learn but has the tools to make it. :cheers
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2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
Can I quote a few general silly statements on RFC matters on here? ;D
Back then Vickery couldn't hit a target the size of an A380 and Dusty apparently ran just one way.
Winners are grinners that's for sure. ;D
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Dusty still runs one way.
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Dusty still runs one way.
Thankfully it's toward our goal! ;D
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Dusty still runs one way.
Thankfully it's toward our goal! ;D
Absolutely.
When has Sheds has a game like Dusty did against Nought at the Dome in 2011?
Titch plays 5 great quarters in 8 seasons ...... Contract extension time beyond 2016. :thumbsup
Sheds is just a soldier that's it nothing more nothing less Dusty is currently a Brigadier with prospects of being promoted to Army General. Pretty good for a one way runner compared to someone whose played over 100 games and ran inconspicuously in small circles in 95% of them like a chicken without a head.
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2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
I did and if he leaves I wouldn't loose 1 minute of sleep.
He played ok on Saturday night but let's not get carried away. Still yet to be in our best players.
His good is passable but his average is putrid still.
A 1 year contract on a low base and higher match payments is all they should offer considering his first 6 years on our list.
IMO it's his turn to put faith in himself and his ability rather than us to have to show the faith.
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Five years.
Four point something, as this season isn't over :shh
Some might say four full seasons isn't that long a time span,for a guy 6'6
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2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
I did and if he leaves I wouldn't loose 1 minute of sleep.
He played ok on Saturday night but let's not get carried away. Still yet to be in our best players.
His good is passable but his average is putrid still.
A 1 year contract on a low base and higher match payments is all they should offer considering his first 6 years on our list.
IMO it's his turn to put faith in himself and his ability rather than us to have to show the faith.
6 Years ??? This is the end of his 5th year. He has played a total of 32 games of which only 19 were before this year (less than a season). Was very restricted by injuries and was tried to be converted to back man. Has shown more improvement this season than most (Astbury and Ellis trump him). Most forget that in the first part of the year Griff and Astbury's improvements were the only shining lights. Definite keeper in my books, 2 years and 3 if we need to do that to keep him.
Draft history: 2009 NAB AFL Draft 2nd round selection (Richmond) No. 19 overall.
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Five years.
Four point something, as this season isn't over :shh
Some might say four full seasons isn't that long a time span,for a guy 6'6
Beat me to the point but I wasn't going to change my whole post :)
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I'd be happy to give him 2 years at a lowish wage.
Kid is clearly about to come into his own a la Hawkins.
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Robbo - Your thoughts on Ben Griffiths - Worth another contract?
Mark Robinson - Yes, can't cut him now. Put too much time into him...Thought his final quarter was strong.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/check-out-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21-plus-the-tweets-of-the-week/story-fndv7pj3-1227027657780
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2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
I did and if he leaves I wouldn't loose 1 minute of sleep.
He played ok on Saturday night but let's not get carried away. Still yet to be in our best players.
His good is passable but his average is putrid still.
A 1 year contract on a low base and higher match payments is all they should offer considering his first 6 years on our list.
IMO it's his turn to put faith in himself and his ability rather than us to have to show the faith.
100% agree. griffiths is still all potential that the supporters gleefully buy into but in fact has to date produced very little substance with a huge chasm between his best and worst.his best so far has been barely passable. with as you say his worst just deplorable.
even if we keep all three of vickery, griffiths and mcbean all ruck fwd types, which i have regularly said that i believe there is no need for three of such similar type and role, yep in keeping all 3 we must imo look to add to the list and get our hands on a gunston type lamb or kietel, and a cloke walker type.
because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
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Is McBean a ruck-FWD is he? Didn't know he played ruck at all.
Stephenson is too old now. Hampson is terrible. I'd be using Maric, Griffiths and Vickery only. Hampson as backup/VFL player.
IMO Griffiths > Vickery. Vickery doesn't compete in the air, whereas Griffiths takes more and better marks, and can boot a wet ball 60+ meters.
If you insist on trading one, trade Vickery. I think we've seen his potential. I think Griffiths has some improvement in him.
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2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
I did and if he leaves I wouldn't loose 1 minute of sleep.
He played ok on Saturday night but let's not get carried away. Still yet to be in our best players.
His good is passable but his average is putrid still.
A 1 year contract on a low base and higher match payments is all they should offer considering his first 6 years on our list.
IMO it's his turn to put faith in himself and his ability rather than us to have to show the faith.
100% agree. griffiths is still all potential that the supporters gleefully buy into but in fact has to date produced very little substance with a huge chasm between his best and worst.his best so far has been barely passable. with as you say his worst just deplorable.
even if we keep all three of vickery, griffiths and mcbean all ruck fwd types, which i have regularly said that i believe there is no need for three of such similar type and role, yep in keeping all 3 we must imo look to add to the list and get our hands on a gunston type lamb or kietel, and a cloke walker type.
because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
Seriously claw, Ben is exactly the player you would want us to target if he was playing at another team. Your summary would be something like this..."We should be looking at guys with good football skills who haven't been given a chance at their club. Someone like Ben Griffiths. The guy is 200cm tall, a good contested mark and a thumping 70m kick. He is also competent when the ball hits the ground. Hasn't been given much opportunity at his club because others have been played ahead of him. Is still only 22 but has only played 32 games. Has been played all over the place as he was a forward as a junior and was initially moulded as a backman at his current club. Looks good in the ruck switching up forward. He would be perfect for us and probably wouldn't cost us much."
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because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
22 years old, just starting to click after 4 years development and you'd trade Griff for a pick around the mark we selected him at?
Madness.
Thought you might have learned something after Schulz. Evidently not.
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Is McBean a ruck-FWD is he? Didn't know he played ruck at all.
Stephenson is too old now. Hampson is terrible. I'd be using Maric, Griffiths and Vickery only. Hampson as backup/VFL player.
IMO Griffiths > Vickery. Vickery doesn't compete in the air, whereas Griffiths takes more and better marks, and can boot a wet ball 60+ meters.
If you insist on trading one, trade Vickery. I think we've seen his potential. I think Griffiths has some improvement in him.
if the club is to be believed they think his future role is ruckman. they sure as hell drafted him for the ruck role but his size has meant they have had to play him fwd for the moment.
my preference would be to trade vickery but hes contracted for another two or is it three freakin yrs. griffiths is out of contract.
2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
I did and if he leaves I wouldn't loose 1 minute of sleep.
He played ok on Saturday night but let's not get carried away. Still yet to be in our best players.
His good is passable but his average is putrid still.
A 1 year contract on a low base and higher match payments is all they should offer considering his first 6 years on our list.
IMO it's his turn to put faith in himself and his ability rather than us to have to show the faith.
100% agree. griffiths is still all potential that the supporters gleefully buy into but in fact has to date produced very little substance with a huge chasm between his best and worst.his best so far has been barely passable. with as you say his worst just deplorable.
even if we keep all three of vickery, griffiths and mcbean all ruck fwd types, which i have regularly said that i believe there is no need for three of such similar type and role, yep in keeping all 3 we must imo look to add to the list and get our hands on a gunston type lamb or kietel, and a cloke walker type.
because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
Seriously claw, Ben is exactly the player you would want us to target if he was playing at another team. Your summary would be something like this..."We should be looking at guys with good football skills who haven't been given a chance at their club. Someone like Ben Griffiths. The guy is 200cm tall, a good contested mark and a thumping 70m kick. He is also competent when the ball hits the ground. Hasn't been given much opportunity at his club because others have been played ahead of him. Is still only 22 but has only played 32 games. Has been played all over the place as he was a forward as a junior and was initially moulded as a backman at his current club. Looks good in the ruck switching up forward. He would be perfect for us and probably wouldn't cost us much."
hes been given every opportunity. ffs he hasnt performed well even at reserves level and that is the main reason why hes played so few games. . his situation reminds me very much of hampsons at carlton and now us. under performing is indeed an under statement.
its unbelieveable the way people talk up barely passable games if he could get us a top 15 pick id do it asap. from what i read around here we have the messiahs in mcbean and vickery this makes him expendable.
me i cant say with any confidence at all that griffiths will improve, hes performed poorly, we have plenty of his type and thuis his role covered and thank Geez id say he still has value as id say other clubs like a lot of people around here see glimpses of [potential. i think that is all we are gunna get little cameos and glimpses.
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Is McBean a ruck-FWD is he? Didn't know he played ruck at all.
Stephenson is too old now. Hampson is terrible. I'd be using Maric, Griffiths and Vickery only. Hampson as backup/VFL player.
IMO Griffiths > Vickery. Vickery doesn't compete in the air, whereas Griffiths takes more and better marks, and can boot a wet ball 60+ meters.
If you insist on trading one, trade Vickery. I think we've seen his potential. I think Griffiths has some improvement in him.
if the club is to be believed they think his future role is ruckman. they sure as hell drafted him for the ruck role but his size has meant they have had to play him fwd for the moment.
my preference would be to trade vickery but hes contracted for another two or is it three freakin yrs. griffiths is out of contract.
2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
I did and if he leaves I wouldn't loose 1 minute of sleep.
He played ok on Saturday night but let's not get carried away. Still yet to be in our best players.
His good is passable but his average is putrid still.
A 1 year contract on a low base and higher match payments is all they should offer considering his first 6 years on our list.
IMO it's his turn to put faith in himself and his ability rather than us to have to show the faith.
100% agree. griffiths is still all potential that the supporters gleefully buy into but in fact has to date produced very little substance with a huge chasm between his best and worst.his best so far has been barely passable. with as you say his worst just deplorable.
even if we keep all three of vickery, griffiths and mcbean all ruck fwd types, which i have regularly said that i believe there is no need for three of such similar type and role, yep in keeping all 3 we must imo look to add to the list and get our hands on a gunston type lamb or kietel, and a cloke walker type.
because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
Seriously claw, Ben is exactly the player you would want us to target if he was playing at another team. Your summary would be something like this..."We should be looking at guys with good football skills who haven't been given a chance at their club. Someone like Ben Griffiths. The guy is 200cm tall, a good contested mark and a thumping 70m kick. He is also competent when the ball hits the ground. Hasn't been given much opportunity at his club because others have been played ahead of him. Is still only 22 but has only played 32 games. Has been played all over the place as he was a forward as a junior and was initially moulded as a backman at his current club. Looks good in the ruck switching up forward. He would be perfect for us and probably wouldn't cost us much."
hes been given every opportunity. ffs he hasnt performed well even at reserves level and that is the main reason why hes played so few games. . his situation reminds me very much of hampsons at carlton and now us. under performing is indeed an under statement.
its unbelieveable the way people talk up barely passable games if he could get us a top 15 pick id do it asap. from what i read around here we have the messiahs in mcbean and vickery this makes him expendable.
me i cant say with any confidence at all that griffiths will improve, hes performed poorly, we have plenty of his type and thuis his role covered and thank Geez id say he still has value as id say other clubs like a lot of people around here see glimpses of [potential. i think that is all we are gunna get little cameos and glimpses.
His performances in 2012 as a backman were reasonable. Played the majority of the season. Last season was given one game and banished. He lost confidence and belief. This year he has been more than handy. If you can't see that you are blind. Is right up there in the whole league for contested marks. His last few games have been strong. Gives Maric a chop out in the ruck and has booted some important goals. He is a very handy big man.
Not sure what else you want for a 22 y.o. 200cm player.
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Is McBean a ruck-FWD is he? Didn't know he played ruck at all.
Stephenson is too old now. Hampson is terrible. I'd be using Maric, Griffiths and Vickery only. Hampson as backup/VFL player.
IMO Griffiths > Vickery. Vickery doesn't compete in the air, whereas Griffiths takes more and better marks, and can boot a wet ball 60+ meters.
If you insist on trading one, trade Vickery. I think we've seen his potential. I think Griffiths has some improvement in him.
if the club is to be believed they think his future role is ruckman. they sure as hell drafted him for the ruck role but his size has meant they have had to play him fwd for the moment.
my preference would be to trade vickery but hes contracted for another two or is it three freakin yrs. griffiths is out of contract.
2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
I did and if he leaves I wouldn't loose 1 minute of sleep.
He played ok on Saturday night but let's not get carried away. Still yet to be in our best players.
His good is passable but his average is putrid still.
A 1 year contract on a low base and higher match payments is all they should offer considering his first 6 years on our list.
IMO it's his turn to put faith in himself and his ability rather than us to have to show the faith.
100% agree. griffiths is still all potential that the supporters gleefully buy into but in fact has to date produced very little substance with a huge chasm between his best and worst.his best so far has been barely passable. with as you say his worst just deplorable.
even if we keep all three of vickery, griffiths and mcbean all ruck fwd types, which i have regularly said that i believe there is no need for three of such similar type and role, yep in keeping all 3 we must imo look to add to the list and get our hands on a gunston type lamb or kietel, and a cloke walker type.
because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
Seriously claw, Ben is exactly the player you would want us to target if he was playing at another team. Your summary would be something like this..."We should be looking at guys with good football skills who haven't been given a chance at their club. Someone like Ben Griffiths. The guy is 200cm tall, a good contested mark and a thumping 70m kick. He is also competent when the ball hits the ground. Hasn't been given much opportunity at his club because others have been played ahead of him. Is still only 22 but has only played 32 games. Has been played all over the place as he was a forward as a junior and was initially moulded as a backman at his current club. Looks good in the ruck switching up forward. He would be perfect for us and probably wouldn't cost us much."
hes been given every opportunity. ffs he hasnt performed well even at reserves level and that is the main reason why hes played so few games. . his situation reminds me very much of hampsons at carlton and now us. under performing is indeed an under statement.
its unbelieveable the way people talk up barely passable games if he could get us a top 15 pick id do it asap. from what i read around here we have the messiahs in mcbean and vickery this makes him expendable.
me i cant say with any confidence at all that griffiths will improve, hes performed poorly, we have plenty of his type and thuis his role covered and thank Geez id say he still has value as id say other clubs like a lot of people around here see glimpses of [potential. i think that is all we are gunna get little cameos and glimpses.
His performances in 2012 as a backman were reasonable. Played the majority of the season. Last season was given one game and banished. He lost confidence and belief. This year he has been more than handy. If you can't see that you are blind. Is right up there in the whole league for contested marks. His last few games have been strong. Gives Maric a chop out in the ruck and has booted some important goals. He is a very handy big man.
Not sure what else you want for a 22 y.o. 200cm player.
Totally disagree. Worth persisting with. Has a the ability to take a contested mark and his ability to kick long distances accurately sets him apart from others.
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Is McBean a ruck-FWD is he? Didn't know he played ruck at all.
Stephenson is too old now. Hampson is terrible. I'd be using Maric, Griffiths and Vickery only. Hampson as backup/VFL player.
IMO Griffiths > Vickery. Vickery doesn't compete in the air, whereas Griffiths takes more and better marks, and can boot a wet ball 60+ meters.
If you insist on trading one, trade Vickery. I think we've seen his potential. I think Griffiths has some improvement in him.
if the club is to be believed they think his future role is ruckman. they sure as hell drafted him for the ruck role but his size has meant they have had to play him fwd for the moment.
my preference would be to trade vickery but hes contracted for another two or is it three freakin yrs. griffiths is out of contract.
2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
I did and if he leaves I wouldn't loose 1 minute of sleep.
He played ok on Saturday night but let's not get carried away. Still yet to be in our best players.
His good is passable but his average is putrid still.
A 1 year contract on a low base and higher match payments is all they should offer considering his first 6 years on our list.
IMO it's his turn to put faith in himself and his ability rather than us to have to show the faith.
100% agree. griffiths is still all potential that the supporters gleefully buy into but in fact has to date produced very little substance with a huge chasm between his best and worst.his best so far has been barely passable. with as you say his worst just deplorable.
even if we keep all three of vickery, griffiths and mcbean all ruck fwd types, which i have regularly said that i believe there is no need for three of such similar type and role, yep in keeping all 3 we must imo look to add to the list and get our hands on a gunston type lamb or kietel, and a cloke walker type.
because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
Seriously claw, Ben is exactly the player you would want us to target if he was playing at another team. Your summary would be something like this..."We should be looking at guys with good football skills who haven't been given a chance at their club. Someone like Ben Griffiths. The guy is 200cm tall, a good contested mark and a thumping 70m kick. He is also competent when the ball hits the ground. Hasn't been given much opportunity at his club because others have been played ahead of him. Is still only 22 but has only played 32 games. Has been played all over the place as he was a forward as a junior and was initially moulded as a backman at his current club. Looks good in the ruck switching up forward. He would be perfect for us and probably wouldn't cost us much."
hes been given every opportunity. ffs he hasnt performed well even at reserves level and that is the main reason why hes played so few games. . his situation reminds me very much of hampsons at carlton and now us. under performing is indeed an under statement.
its unbelieveable the way people talk up barely passable games if he could get us a top 15 pick id do it asap. from what i read around here we have the messiahs in mcbean and vickery this makes him expendable.
me i cant say with any confidence at all that griffiths will improve, hes performed poorly, we have plenty of his type and thuis his role covered and thank Geez id say he still has value as id say other clubs like a lot of people around here see glimpses of [potential. i think that is all we are gunna get little cameos and glimpses.
His performances in 2012 as a backman were reasonable. Played the majority of the season. Last season was given one game and banished. He lost confidence and belief. This year he has been more than handy. If you can't see that you are blind. Is right up there in the whole league for contested marks. His last few games have been strong. Gives Maric a chop out in the ruck and has booted some important goals. He is a very handy big man.
Not sure what else you want for a 22 y.o. 200cm player.
Totally disagree. Worth persisting with. Has a the ability to take a contested mark and his ability to kick long distances accurately sets him apart from others.
???Sounds like you agree with me????
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Thing is, if he were at the bombers, his recent form, height, leg and leap would warrant Richmond "looking into" his availability.
Point being we have him !
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I know he's been on the list for a few years (5 after this seasons done)
But didn't he miss a fair whack of his first 2 seasons because of injury?
Personally at a minimum I consider his first season and a half as write offs because of injury.
I am not sure how anyone can say he's been given "every opportunity" when the longest stretch of consecutive games he's had is what 6 perhaps 7?
Yes there are things he needs to improve but gee for a 200cm bloke who can kick 60+ metres without much effort, good contested mark there is a lot and I mean a lot of upside.
His game on Saturday night was very good (haven't watched the replay just going by what I saw on the night) but I reckon his final qtr on Saturday night was excellent. If folks aren't prepared to acknowledge that then there's no point in debating his worth at all IMHO.
Thing is, if he were at the bombers, his recent form, height, leg and leap would warrant Richmond "looking into" his availability.
Point being we have him !
Exactly
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Exactly! ^ ;D
An opportunity to show how they have learnt from the Jay Schulz incident
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Exactly! ^ ;D
An opportunity to show how they have learnt from the Jay Schulz incident
Once painted into a corner, some can't see a way out. I do see small signs of leaving a small path out though. Let hope Ben repays our faith and makes them take it.
Btw to me Mcbean doesn't seem to be a ruck/fwd. Have they been playing him there or just because he is tall its assumed he for the Ruck?
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Exactly! ^ ;D
An opportunity to show how they have learnt from the Jay Schulz incident
Once painted into a corner, some can't see a way out. I do see small signs of leaving a small path out though. Let hope Ben repays our faith and makes them take it.
Btw to me Mcbean doesn't seem to be a ruck/fwd. Have they been playing him there or just because he is tall its assumed he for the Ruck?
Exactly the point I have made in the past, just because someone is tall doesnt mean they are a ruck, I seriously believe jake King would have done better in the ruck than Hampson
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Five years.
Four point something, as this season isn't over :shh
Some might say four full seasons isn't that long a time span,for a guy 6'6
My mistake, 5 years. There is two games left :thumbsup
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Five years.
Four point something, as this season isn't over :shh
Some might say four full seasons isn't that long a time span,for a guy 6'6
My mistake, 5 years. There is two games left :thumbsup
Two of which have been destroyed by injury…...
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Why the stuff would anyone want to trade Griffiths?
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right
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Is McBean a ruck-FWD is he? Didn't know he played ruck at all.
Stephenson is too old now. Hampson is terrible. I'd be using Maric, Griffiths and Vickery only. Hampson as backup/VFL player.
IMO Griffiths > Vickery. Vickery doesn't compete in the air, whereas Griffiths takes more and better marks, and can boot a wet ball 60+ meters.
If you insist on trading one, trade Vickery. I think we've seen his potential. I think Griffiths has some improvement in him.
if the club is to be believed they think his future role is ruckman. they sure as hell drafted him for the ruck role but his size has meant they have had to play him fwd for the moment.
my preference would be to trade vickery but hes contracted for another two or is it three freakin yrs. griffiths is out of contract.
2 months ago most here wanted to get rid of him.
I did and if he leaves I wouldn't loose 1 minute of sleep.
He played ok on Saturday night but let's not get carried away. Still yet to be in our best players.
His good is passable but his average is putrid still.
A 1 year contract on a low base and higher match payments is all they should offer considering his first 6 years on our list.
IMO it's his turn to put faith in himself and his ability rather than us to have to show the faith.
100% agree. griffiths is still all potential that the supporters gleefully buy into but in fact has to date produced very little substance with a huge chasm between his best and worst.his best so far has been barely passable. with as you say his worst just deplorable.
even if we keep all three of vickery, griffiths and mcbean all ruck fwd types, which i have regularly said that i believe there is no need for three of such similar type and role, yep in keeping all 3 we must imo look to add to the list and get our hands on a gunston type lamb or kietel, and a cloke walker type.
because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
Seriously claw, Ben is exactly the player you would want us to target if he was playing at another team. Your summary would be something like this..."We should be looking at guys with good football skills who haven't been given a chance at their club. Someone like Ben Griffiths. The guy is 200cm tall, a good contested mark and a thumping 70m kick. He is also competent when the ball hits the ground. Hasn't been given much opportunity at his club because others have been played ahead of him. Is still only 22 but has only played 32 games. Has been played all over the place as he was a forward as a junior and was initially moulded as a backman at his current club. Looks good in the ruck switching up forward. He would be perfect for us and probably wouldn't cost us much."
hes been given every opportunity. ffs he hasnt performed well even at reserves level and that is the main reason why hes played so few games. . his situation reminds me very much of hampsons at carlton and now us. under performing is indeed an under statement.
its unbelieveable the way people talk up barely passable games if he could get us a top 15 pick id do it asap. from what i read around here we have the messiahs in mcbean and vickery this makes him expendable.
me i cant say with any confidence at all that griffiths will improve, hes performed poorly, we have plenty of his type and thuis his role covered and thank Geez id say he still has value as id say other clubs like a lot of people around here see glimpses of [potential. i think that is all we are gunna get little cameos and glimpses.
His performances in 2012 as a backman were reasonable. Played the majority of the season. Last season was given one game and banished. He lost confidence and belief. This year he has been more than handy. If you can't see that you are blind. Is right up there in the whole league for contested marks. His last few games have been strong. Gives Maric a chop out in the ruck and has booted some important goals. He is a very handy big man.
Not sure what else you want for a 22 y.o. 200cm player.
Totally disagree. Worth persisting with. Has a the ability to take a contested mark and his ability to kick long distances accurately sets him apart from others.
???Sounds like you agree with me????
Sorry agree with you. Do not agree with Claw
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I know he's been on the list for a few years (5 after this seasons done)
But didn't he miss a fair whack of his first 2 seasons because of injury?
Personally at a minimum I consider his first season and a half as write offs because of injury.
I am not sure how anyone can say he's been given "every opportunity" when the longest stretch of consecutive games he's had is what 6 perhaps 7?
Yes there are things he needs to improve but gee for a 200cm bloke who can kick 60+ metres without much effort, good contested mark there is a lot and I mean a lot of upside.
His game on Saturday night was very good (haven't watched the replay just going by what I saw on the night) but I reckon his final qtr on Saturday night was excellent. If folks aren't prepared to acknowledge that then there's no point in debating his worth at all IMHO.
Thing is, if he were at the bombers, his recent form, height, leg and leap would warrant Richmond "looking into" his availability.
Point being we have him !
Exactly
:clapping
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because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
22 years old, just starting to click after 4 years development and you'd trade Griff for a pick around the mark we selected him at?
Madness.
Thought you might have learned something after Schulz. Evidently not.
Let's be honest the comparison shouldn't be with Schulz it should be against Cleve Hughes. Schulz always had the ability, he just needed to work harder.
Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date. Let's not keep every KPF just because one came good after he left us.
My point is he has done sweet FA so don't reward that with a big contract. Give him 1 years and if he is any good and earns a better contract then all good for all. And if he wants to walk then all good too, we might get a decent pick for him.
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because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
22 years old, just starting to click after 4 years development and you'd trade Griff for a pick around the mark we selected him at?
Madness.
Thought you might have learned something after Schulz. Evidently not.
Let's be honest the comparison should with Schulz it should be against Cleve Hughes. Schulz always had the ability, he just needed to work harder.
Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date. Let's not keep every KPF just because one came good after he left us.
My point is he has done sweet FA so don't reward that with a big contract. Give him 1 years and if he is any good and earns a better contract then all good for all. And if he wants to walk then all good too, we might get a decent pick for him.
TBH I can't remember Cleve playing like Ben has in the last two weeks. Cleve was a totally different player. He was purely a lead up forward. Nowhere near as versatile as Ben. Did Cleve play in the ruck and down back? I seriously can only remember him in the forward zone.
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Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date.
Disagree. Different types but Griffiths has shown oodles more potential than Hughes. Cleve was a one trick pony.
Griffiths has shown the ability to play back, forward and in the ruck.
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because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
22 years old, just starting to click after 4 years development and you'd trade Griff for a pick around the mark we selected him at?
Madness.
Thought you might have learned something after Schulz. Evidently not.
Let's be honest the comparison should with Schulz it should be against Cleve Hughes. Schulz always had the ability, he just needed to work harder.
Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date. Let's not keep every KPF just because one came good after he left us.
My point is he has done sweet FA so don't reward that with a big contract. Give him 1 years and if he is any good and earns a better contract then all good for all. And if he wants to walk then all good too, we might get a decent pick for him.
TBH I can't remember Cleve playing like Ben has in the last two weeks. Cleve was a totally different player. He was purely a lead up forward. Nowhere near as versatile as Ben. Did Cleve play in the ruck and down back? I seriously can only remember him in the forward zone.
What has versatility got to do with anything? It's about output! :banghead
Cleave was a KPF and so is Griff.
Cleave kicked about 6 or 7 in game against Port one day, Biff cannot even get in our best players.
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Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date.
Disagree. Different types but Griffiths has shown oodles more potential than Hughes. Cleve was a one trick pony.
Griffiths has shown the ability to play back, forward and in the ruck.
:lol
Biff has shown the ability to get two touches in an entire game.
He played a roll on Saturday night and nothing more. He has shown potential in short spurts but I would hardly say he has made it.
A 1 year deal at best.
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because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
22 years old, just starting to click after 4 years development and you'd trade Griff for a pick around the mark we selected him at?
Madness.
Thought you might have learned something after Schulz. Evidently not.
Let's be honest the comparison should with Schulz it should be against Cleve Hughes. Schulz always had the ability, he just needed to work harder.
Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date. Let's not keep every KPF just because one came good after he left us.
My point is he has done sweet FA so don't reward that with a big contract. Give him 1 years and if he is any good and earns a better contract then all good for all. And if he wants to walk then all good too, we might get a decent pick for him.
TBH I can't remember Cleve playing like Ben has in the last two weeks. Cleve was a totally different player. He was purely a lead up forward. Nowhere near as versatile as Ben. Did Cleve play in the ruck and down back? I seriously can only remember him in the forward zone.
What has versatility got to do with anything? It's about output! :banghead
Cleave was a KPF and so is Griff.
Cleave kicked about 6 or 7 in game against Port one day, Biff cannot even get in our best players.
Versatility has a lot to do with it. How can you say that Cleve kicked 6 or 7 in one game while Griff has rarely played in that role. You cannot kick 7 from the backline (2012) and it's pretty hard to do when 80% of the kicks into our forward line are directed to Jack. Even Jack is finding it hard to kick more than 2 goals per game and all the kicks are going to him!!!!
The game has changed since Cleve played too. Forwards just don't kick big bags frequently anymore. Just look at the Coleman leaderboard and the average goals per game of the top players.
Griff contributes in other ways. He helped win the game on Saturday night. He kicked ten percent of our goals and the goal that put us in front was from a booming kick from the centre into the dangerous position at the top of the goal square where it made its way to Gordon who snapped truly.
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should model part of his game on brad ottens's
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because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
22 years old, just starting to click after 4 years development and you'd trade Griff for a pick around the mark we selected him at?
Madness.
Thought you might have learned something after Schulz. Evidently not.
Let's be honest the comparison should with Schulz it should be against Cleve Hughes. Schulz always had the ability, he just needed to work harder.
Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date. Let's not keep every KPF just because one came good after he left us.
My point is he has done sweet FA so don't reward that with a big contract. Give him 1 years and if he is any good and earns a better contract then all good for all. And if he wants to walk then all good too, we might get a decent pick for him.
TBH I can't remember Cleve playing like Ben has in the last two weeks. Cleve was a totally different player. He was purely a lead up forward. Nowhere near as versatile as Ben. Did Cleve play in the ruck and down back? I seriously can only remember him in the forward zone.
What has versatility got to do with anything? It's about output! :banghead
Cleave was a KPF and so is Griff.
Cleave kicked about 6 or 7 in game against Port one day, Biff cannot even get in our best players.
Versatility has a lot to do with it. How can you say that Cleve kicked 6 or 7 in one game while Griff has rarely played in that role. You cannot kick 7 from the backline (2012) and it's pretty hard to do when 80% of the kicks into our forward line are directed to Jack. Even Jack is finding it hard to kick more than 2 goals per game and all the kicks are going to him!!!!
The game has changed since Cleve played too. Forwards just don't kick big bags frequently anymore. Just look at the Coleman leaderboard and the average goals per game of the top players.
Griff contributes in other ways. He helped win the game on Saturday night. He kicked ten percent of our goals and the goal that put us in front was from a booming kick from the centre into the dangerous position at the top of the goal square where it made its way to Gordon who snapped truly.
You are clearly an intelligent man doing what you do but seriously you go on with a lot of crap. I'm sorry but I just shake my head at times at what you post. No offense :shh
Anyone would think Biff has been a star the way you are going on. Give it a rest man!
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At 22 and 200cm i would say the best of Griff is ahead of him, we have seen how the KPPs take longer to develop and most don't reach their peak until 24/25. So basically do you try and recruit a player at his peak and then pay top dollar and in addition lose some players to get him or do you draft a Griff type player early and just help him to grow into the player you want him to be.
I firmly believe patience is the key here and whilst it might upset a few i think perseverance is imperative otherwise he becomes another clubs gain and we end up the loser again. An analogy might be buying stockmarket shares, yes they have their ups and downs but ultimately in the majority of cases over the long term you get your money back and more, panic and sell when the market dips and not only do you do your money but you also miss out on further gains.
Griff's improvement is incremental, he wont become a champion overnight but i still believe the glimpses he has shown should provide people with enough confidence to stick by him and get some reward in the future for the club's investment to date.
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6 month contract and a kick up the ass as well
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The bloke is just about to ripen FFS. :banghead
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because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
22 years old, just starting to click after 4 years development and you'd trade Griff for a pick around the mark we selected him at?
Madness.
Thought you might have learned something after Schulz. Evidently not.
Let's be honest the comparison should with Schulz it should be against Cleve Hughes. Schulz always had the ability, he just needed to work harder.
Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date. Let's not keep every KPF just because one came good after he left us.
My point is he has done sweet FA so don't reward that with a big contract. Give him 1 years and if he is any good and earns a better contract then all good for all. And if he wants to walk then all good too, we might get a decent pick for him.
TBH I can't remember Cleve playing like Ben has in the last two weeks. Cleve was a totally different player. He was purely a lead up forward. Nowhere near as versatile as Ben. Did Cleve play in the ruck and down back? I seriously can only remember him in the forward zone.
What has versatility got to do with anything? It's about output! :banghead
Cleave was a KPF and so is Griff.
Cleave kicked about 6 or 7 in game against Port one day, Biff cannot even get in our best players.
Versatility has a lot to do with it. How can you say that Cleve kicked 6 or 7 in one game while Griff has rarely played in that role. You cannot kick 7 from the backline (2012) and it's pretty hard to do when 80% of the kicks into our forward line are directed to Jack. Even Jack is finding it hard to kick more than 2 goals per game and all the kicks are going to him!!!!
The game has changed since Cleve played too. Forwards just don't kick big bags frequently anymore. Just look at the Coleman leaderboard and the average goals per game of the top players.
Griff contributes in other ways. He helped win the game on Saturday night. He kicked ten percent of our goals and the goal that put us in front was from a booming kick from the centre into the dangerous position at the top of the goal square where it made its way to Gordon who snapped truly.
You are clearly an intelligent man doing what you do but seriously you go on with a lot of crap. I'm sorry but I just shake my head at times at what you post. No offense :shh
Anyone would think Biff has been a star the way you are going on. Give it a rest man!
I don't think for one moment that he is a star. He shows signs that he can be an important player in our team. I just think that at 22 his best years are ahead of him and he has more upside to him than so many we have kept for much longer.
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I think big Benny is a little over rated ("a little?" I hear the craw saying :rollin)
Not sure if there is a stat for how many contests a big man gets to but I'd love to understand how many marking contest Big Ben gets to in comparison to Nick Riewoldt.
He seems to operate in 2nd gear - an odd trait for a man in the last year of his contract in his 5th year on an afl list.
Looks the goods but where is the big break out streak of games?
Maybe he knows more about his contract status at another club than we do?
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most supporters are all chicken littles.
most can see we have to give up something to get something but steadfastly refuse to offer up a player who may become a decent player.a player who has some potential but has shown only the odd good sign here or there after 5 seasons.
people continually ignore his performances lock in on his potential and poo their pants at the thought of him becoming a decent player at another club. who gives a toss what he does at another club hes nothing but a means to an end to me.
me i couldnt give a toss if he stays or goes. his performances have been in the main lousy.whilst i would prefer to keep him over vickery that is not possible.i would happily trade him and our second rounder to carlton for theuir first rounder which would be a top 10 pick.the only trouble with trading for picks is i have little faith in our recruiters but i believe we need to go thru the process despite their lousy records.
we dont need 3 200cm ruck / fwds one is expendable, what we need is a genuine power fwd, a jtall agile gunston type and a high quality super quick crumbing sml fwd. we also need a replacement combative ruckman for ivan in our system.
its unbelievable people scared of losing an under performing player because they may one day become a good player. seems most have not learnt a thing about what this club has got so wrong for so many yrs on end. no wonder edwards king newman and so so many others have played so many games for us for so little return.
me i want a decent pick to actually address a serious list deficiency we have 3 players who can never ever play in the same team ffs playing two of them is fraught with danger. one of em is expendable take your pick i really dont care which one goes my preference would be to foist vickery onto some unsuspecting club. but hey the chicken littles around here dont want to lose him either in fact they dont want to lose anyone who has some sort of worth. as long as they show some sort of potential all is good. its laughable.
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most supporters are all chicken littles.
most can see we have to give up something to get something but steadfastly refuse to offer up a player who may become a decent player.a player who has some potential but has shown only the odd good sign here or there after 5 seasons.
people continually ignore his performances lock in on his potential and poo their pants at the thought of him becoming a decent player at another club. who gives a toss what he does at another club hes nothing but a means to an end to me.
me i couldnt give a toss if he stays or goes. his performances have been in the main lousy.whilst i would prefer to keep him over vickery that is not possible.i would happily trade him and our second rounder to carlton for theuir first rounder which would be a top 10 pick.the only trouble with trading for picks is i have little faith in our recruiters but i believe we need to go thru the process despite their lousy records.
we dont need 3 200cm ruck / fwds one is expendable, what we need is a genuine power fwd, a jtall agile gunston type and a high quality super quick crumbing sml fwd. we also need a replacement combative ruckman for ivan in our system.
its unbelievable people scared of losing an under performing player because they may one day become a good player. seems most have not learnt a thing about what this club has got so wrong for so many yrs on end. no wonder edwards king newman and so so many others have played so many games for us for so little return.
me i want a decent pick to actually address a serious list deficiency we have 3 players who can never ever play in the same team ffs playing two of them is fraught with danger. one of em is expendable take your pick i really dont care which one goes my preference would be to foist vickery onto some unsuspecting club. but hey the chicken littles around here dont want to lose him either in fact they dont want to lose anyone who has some sort of worth. as long as they show some sort of potential all is good. its laughable.
how was the footy Satdee night?
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I think big Benny is a little over rated ("a little?" I hear the craw saying :rollin)
Not sure if there is a stat for how many contests a big man gets to but I'd love to understand how many marking contest Big Ben gets to in comparison to Nick Riewoldt.
He seems to operate in 2nd gear - an odd trait for a man in the last year of his contract in his 5th year on an afl list.
Looks the goods but where is the big break out streak of games?
Maybe he knows more about his contract status at another club than we do?
He can kick a 60 metre goal every half a season and that's plenty enough for me thank you kindly
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because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
22 years old, just starting to click after 4 years development and you'd trade Griff for a pick around the mark we selected him at?
Madness.
Thought you might have learned something after Schulz. Evidently not.
Let's be honest the comparison should with Schulz it should be against Cleve Hughes. Schulz always had the ability, he just needed to work harder.
Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date. Let's not keep every KPF just because one came good after he left us.
My point is he has done sweet FA so don't reward that with a big contract. Give him 1 years and if he is any good and earns a better contract then all good for all. And if he wants to walk then all good too, we might get a decent pick for him.
TBH I can't remember Cleve playing like Ben has in the last two weeks. Cleve was a totally different player. He was purely a lead up forward. Nowhere near as versatile as Ben. Did Cleve play in the ruck and down back? I seriously can only remember him in the forward zone.
What has versatility got to do with anything? It's about output! :banghead
Cleave was a KPF and so is Griff.
Cleave kicked about 6 or 7 in game against Port one day, Biff cannot even get in our best players.
Versatility has a lot to do with it. How can you say that Cleve kicked 6 or 7 in one game while Griff has rarely played in that role. You cannot kick 7 from the backline (2012) and it's pretty hard to do when 80% of the kicks into our forward line are directed to Jack. Even Jack is finding it hard to kick more than 2 goals per game and all the kicks are going to him!!!!
The game has changed since Cleve played too. Forwards just don't kick big bags frequently anymore. Just look at the Coleman leaderboard and the average goals per game of the top players.
Griff contributes in other ways. He helped win the game on Saturday night. He kicked ten percent of our goals and the goal that put us in front was from a booming kick from the centre into the dangerous position at the top of the goal square where it made its way to Gordon who snapped truly.
You are clearly an intelligent man doing what you do but seriously you go on with a lot of crap. I'm sorry but I just shake my head at times at what you post. No offense :shh
Anyone would think Biff has been a star the way you are going on. Give it a rest man!
I don't think for one moment that he is a star. He shows signs that he can be an important player in our team. I just think that at 22 his best years are ahead of him and he has more upside to him than so many we have kept for much longer.
thing is with vickery and mcbean its not critical we keep him. for the very reasons you state makes him a tradeable commodity that would net us a very valuable pick.
for god sakes this situation is exactly what ive gone on about over the yrs. load up with tals load up with a particular type find 3 decent ones and trade one of em out for a very good pick. use that pick on a real need.
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because we have 3 ruck fwds im happy to see one of em traded and atm that one is griffiths because hes uncontracted. overall mcbean is safe because hes a junior. but vickery and griffiths imo have been very ordinary for the greater part of their careers. id shop one of em around and if a club was silly enought to offer a top 15 pick id grab it gleefully.
22 years old, just starting to click after 4 years development and you'd trade Griff for a pick around the mark we selected him at?
Madness.
Thought you might have learned something after Schulz. Evidently not.
Let's be honest the comparison should with Schulz it should be against Cleve Hughes. Schulz always had the ability, he just needed to work harder.
Griff has shown about as much as Cleve did to date. Let's not keep every KPF just because one came good after he left us.
My point is he has done sweet FA so don't reward that with a big contract. Give him 1 years and if he is any good and earns a better contract then all good for all. And if he wants to walk then all good too, we might get a decent pick for him.
TBH I can't remember Cleve playing like Ben has in the last two weeks. Cleve was a totally different player. He was purely a lead up forward. Nowhere near as versatile as Ben. Did Cleve play in the ruck and down back? I seriously can only remember him in the forward zone.
What has versatility got to do with anything? It's about output! :banghead
Cleave was a KPF and so is Griff.
Cleave kicked about 6 or 7 in game against Port one day, Biff cannot even get in our best players.
Versatility has a lot to do with it. How can you say that Cleve kicked 6 or 7 in one game while Griff has rarely played in that role. You cannot kick 7 from the backline (2012) and it's pretty hard to do when 80% of the kicks into our forward line are directed to Jack. Even Jack is finding it hard to kick more than 2 goals per game and all the kicks are going to him!!!!
The game has changed since Cleve played too. Forwards just don't kick big bags frequently anymore. Just look at the Coleman leaderboard and the average goals per game of the top players.
Griff contributes in other ways. He helped win the game on Saturday night. He kicked ten percent of our goals and the goal that put us in front was from a booming kick from the centre into the dangerous position at the top of the goal square where it made its way to Gordon who snapped truly.
You are clearly an intelligent man doing what you do but seriously you go on with a lot of crap. I'm sorry but I just shake my head at times at what you post. No offense :shh
Anyone would think Biff has been a star the way you are going on. Give it a rest man!
I don't think for one moment that he is a star. He shows signs that he can be an important player in our team. I just think that at 22 his best years are ahead of him and he has more upside to him than so many we have kept for much longer.
thing is with vickery and mcbean its not critical we keep him. for the very reasons you state makes him a tradeable commodity that would net us a very valuable pick.
for god sakes this situation is exactly what ive gone on about over the yrs. load up with tals load up with a particular type find 3 decent ones and trade one of em out for a very good pick. use that pick on a real need.
So how was the footy
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most supporters are all chicken littles.
most can see we have to give up something to get something but steadfastly refuse to offer up a player who may become a decent player.a player who has some potential but has shown only the odd good sign here or there after 5 seasons.
people continually ignore his performances lock in on his potential and poo their pants at the thought of him becoming a decent player at another club. who gives a toss what he does at another club hes nothing but a means to an end to me.
me i couldnt give a toss if he stays or goes. his performances have been in the main lousy.whilst i would prefer to keep him over vickery that is not possible.i would happily trade him and our second rounder to carlton for theuir first rounder which would be a top 10 pick.the only trouble with trading for picks is i have little faith in our recruiters but i believe we need to go thru the process despite their lousy records.
we dont need 3 200cm ruck / fwds one is expendable, what we need is a genuine power fwd, a jtall agile gunston type and a high quality super quick crumbing sml fwd. we also need a replacement combative ruckman for ivan in our system.
its unbelievable people scared of losing an under performing player because they may one day become a good player. seems most have not learnt a thing about what this club has got so wrong for so many yrs on end. no wonder edwards king newman and so so many others have played so many games for us for so little return.
me i want a decent pick to actually address a serious list deficiency we have 3 players who can never ever play in the same team ffs playing two of them is fraught with danger. one of em is expendable take your pick i really dont care which one goes my preference would be to foist vickery onto some unsuspecting club. but hey the chicken littles around here dont want to lose him either in fact they dont want to lose anyone who has some sort of worth. as long as they show some sort of potential all is good. its laughable.
Trouble is there is no guarantee that anyone we will pick up will be any better! You clearly cannot see any improvement in Griff. Many here can. I'd rather trade Vickery TBH. He might even get you a better pick.
Also look at Melbourne. They've had oodles of top ten picks. Where the hell has it got them?
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I think big Benny is a little over rated ("a little?" I hear the craw saying :rollin)
Not sure if there is a stat for how many contests a big man gets to but I'd love to understand how many marking contest Big Ben gets to in comparison to Nick Riewoldt.
He seems to operate in 2nd gear - an odd trait for a man in the last year of his contract in his 5th year on an afl list.
Looks the goods but where is the big break out streak of games?
Maybe he knows more about his contract status at another club than we do?
He can kick a 60 metre goal every half a season and that's plenty enough for me thank you kindly
Right you are, hadn't thought about it that way. Play on.....
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most supporters are all chicken littles.
most can see we have to give up something to get something but steadfastly refuse to offer up a player who may become a decent player.a player who has some potential but has shown only the odd good sign here or there after 5 seasons.
people continually ignore his performances lock in on his potential and poo their pants at the thought of him becoming a decent player at another club. who gives a toss what he does at another club hes nothing but a means to an end to me.
me i couldnt give a toss if he stays or goes. his performances have been in the main lousy.whilst i would prefer to keep him over vickery that is not possible.i would happily trade him and our second rounder to carlton for theuir first rounder which would be a top 10 pick.the only trouble with trading for picks is i have little faith in our recruiters but i believe we need to go thru the process despite their lousy records.
we dont need 3 200cm ruck / fwds one is expendable, what we need is a genuine power fwd, a jtall agile gunston type and a high quality super quick crumbing sml fwd. we also need a replacement combative ruckman for ivan in our system.
its unbelievable people scared of losing an under performing player because they may one day become a good player. seems most have not learnt a thing about what this club has got so wrong for so many yrs on end. no wonder edwards king newman and so so many others have played so many games for us for so little return.
me i want a decent pick to actually address a serious list deficiency we have 3 players who can never ever play in the same team ffs playing two of them is fraught with danger. one of em is expendable take your pick i really dont care which one goes my preference would be to foist vickery onto some unsuspecting club. but hey the chicken littles around here dont want to lose him either in fact they dont want to lose anyone who has some sort of worth. as long as they show some sort of potential all is good. its laughable.
Trouble is there is no guarantee that anyone we will pick up will be any better! You clearly cannot see any improvement in Griff. Many here can. I'd rather trade Vickery TBH. He might even get you a better pick.
Also look at Melbourne. They've had oodles of top ten picks. Where the hell has it got them?
and theres no guarantee griffiths will improve in fact his record says its not likely to much if any. ffs there are no guarantees in footy mate just go ask jon patton. so with the melbourne comment what are you saying, lets not participate in the nd at all because theres no guarantees. ::)
yes hes improved a little this yr but hardly enough to warrant all the optimism in him. hes gone from a permanently deplorable player to a player who plays the odd passable game with mostly very poor games still mixed in. hes no world beater in fact hes a battler to date who like many has potential.
its his potential and relative youth that sees him have currency in two yrs time if he continues in the same way that currency will be zilch.
ffs probably his best game for us at the weekend yet he found the ball just 11 times didnt manage a contested mark but in saying this i thought he played fairly well. can you see what im saying his best to date is pretty average and barely up to the standard. yet i could believe if i listened to posters on here that hes the next lockett lol.
look all im saying is we have more than enough of a particular type of player trade one out for a good pick that then can be used to address a real list need.
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most supporters are all chicken littles.
most can see we have to give up something to get something but steadfastly refuse to offer up a player who may become a decent player.a player who has some potential but has shown only the odd good sign here or there after 5 seasons.
people continually ignore his performances lock in on his potential and poo their pants at the thought of him becoming a decent player at another club. who gives a toss what he does at another club hes nothing but a means to an end to me.
me i couldnt give a toss if he stays or goes. his performances have been in the main lousy.whilst i would prefer to keep him over vickery that is not possible.i would happily trade him and our second rounder to carlton for theuir first rounder which would be a top 10 pick.the only trouble with trading for picks is i have little faith in our recruiters but i believe we need to go thru the process despite their lousy records.
we dont need 3 200cm ruck / fwds one is expendable, what we need is a genuine power fwd, a jtall agile gunston type and a high quality super quick crumbing sml fwd. we also need a replacement combative ruckman for ivan in our system.
its unbelievable people scared of losing an under performing player because they may one day become a good player. seems most have not learnt a thing about what this club has got so wrong for so many yrs on end. no wonder edwards king newman and so so many others have played so many games for us for so little return.
me i want a decent pick to actually address a serious list deficiency we have 3 players who can never ever play in the same team ffs playing two of them is fraught with danger. one of em is expendable take your pick i really dont care which one goes my preference would be to foist vickery onto some unsuspecting club. but hey the chicken littles around here dont want to lose him either in fact they dont want to lose anyone who has some sort of worth. as long as they show some sort of potential all is good. its laughable.
Who are the two players that are in the team that shouldn't be in, IYO?
If Griffiths was to be traded, 2nd round pick? What would you want to get for that?
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I'd keep Griff over Vickery. Better mark, better contested mark, better kick and can ruck. :thumbsup
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I'd keep Griff over Vickery. Better mark, better contested mark, better kick and can ruck. :thumbsup
:yep
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:lol
Biff has shown the ability to get two touches in an entire game.
Now you're just being facetious.
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most supporters are all chicken littles.
most can see we have to give up something to get something but steadfastly refuse to offer up a player who may become a decent player.a player who has some potential but has shown only the odd good sign here or there after 5 seasons.
people continually ignore his performances lock in on his potential and poo their pants at the thought of him becoming a decent player at another club. who gives a toss what he does at another club hes nothing but a means to an end to me.
me i couldnt give a toss if he stays or goes. his performances have been in the main lousy.whilst i would prefer to keep him over vickery that is not possible.i would happily trade him and our second rounder to carlton for their first rounder which would be a top 10 pick.the only trouble with trading for picks is i have little faith in our recruiters but i believe we need to go thru the process despite their lousy records.
we dont need 3 200cm ruck / fwds one is expendable, what we need is a genuine power fwd, a jtall agile gunston type and a high quality super quick crumbing sml fwd. we also need a replacement combative ruckman for ivan in our system.
its unbelievable people scared of losing an under performing player because they may one day become a good player. seems most have not learnt a thing about what this club has got so wrong for so many yrs on end. no wonder edwards king newman and so so many others have played so many games for us for so little return.
me i want a decent pick to actually address a serious list deficiency we have 3 players who can never ever play in the same team ffs playing two of them is fraught with danger. one of em is expendable take your pick i really dont care which one goes my preference would be to foist vickery onto some unsuspecting club. but hey the chicken littles around here dont want to lose him either in fact they dont want to lose anyone who has some sort of worth. as long as they show some sort of potential all is good. its laughable.
Who are the two players that are in the team that shouldn't be in, IYO?
If Griffiths was to be traded, 2nd round pick? What would you want to get for that?
not naming names but nearly half of those who played on saturday night i would be looking to upgrade on over the next 3 yrs.
depending on pick and whos available id want to address any of, power kpf/tallfwd, kpd, real big inside mid, outside mid, sml med running defender sml/med classy quick fwd. . combative ruckman. we lack depth imo in too many areas. what we do have is three 200cm fwd/rucks with no chance in the world of playing them all together yet alone playing 2 together.
heres a question for you how many do we need.
FF/ #### - Riewoldt 195cm/92kg - griffiths 200/202
HF/ #### - vickery 200/98 - mcbean 202/93 eventually 100kg
fair dinkum it aint going to happen ever.
even if you take out mcbean it is too top heavy and cumbersome.
now here is the sort of fwd structure id like for us to use. this is all about structure player type and player dimensions if you like.. this is what id be chasing in up coming drafts the next 2 or 3 yrs.
FF/ #### - cloke 196/108 - gunston 193/85
hf/ #### - roughhead 193/100 - ####
R/ MARIC 200CM/ 102 BIG TOUGH COMBATIVE RUCKMAN
INT/ RYDER 197/92 MORE A RUCK ROVER BUT YOU DONT LOSE ANYTHING WHEN HE RUCKS. CAN GO FWD AND CAN COVER FOR INJURY THRU A GAME.
now i can think of a good junior prospect for each of these positions fairly early in the draft.
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:lol
Biff has shown the ability to get two touches in an entire game.
Now you're just being facetious.
may be hes being what you said but ffs you cant handle the truth and what he said is very close to the truth.
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I'd keep Griff over Vickery. Better mark, better contested mark, better kick and can ruck. :thumbsup
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If we lose this guy because he wants a second year and we only offer him one (a la Matty White) it will bite us in the ass massively.
He's not going to be on a lot of money.
And offers a shizzload more than Hampson.
Stephenson too old to ever be in our first 22.
So you have Maric, Hampson, Vickery and Griffiths.
Surely you rather ditch at least Hampson and maybe Vickery before Griffiths...?
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Would be very silly to not re-sign this bloke
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:lol
Biff has shown the ability to get two touches in an entire game.
Now you're just being facetious.
may be hes being what you said but ffs you cant handle the truth and what he said is very close to the truth.
Ben has averaged 9 disposals a game this year not 2. Just pointing out the slight inaccuracies…...
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:lol
Biff has shown the ability to get two touches in an entire game.
Now you're just being facetious.
may be hes being what you said but ffs you cant handle the truth and what he said is very close to the truth.
Ben has averaged 9 disposals a game this year not 2. Just pointing out the slight inaccuracies…...
2 or 9 its abysmal get it. sheesh his record in the seconds over the entire journey wouldnt be much better.it wouldnt take much a couple of games to massively improve his ave poss per game they have been that low. 2 5 7 9 11 which ever number does it matter they are poor.
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:lol
Biff has shown the ability to get two touches in an entire game.
Now you're just being facetious.
may be hes being what you said but ffs you cant handle the truth and what he said is very close to the truth.
Ben has averaged 9 disposals a game this year not 2. Just pointing out the slight inaccuracies…...
2 or 9 its abysmal get it. sheesh his record in the seconds over the entire journey wouldnt be much better.it wouldnt take much a couple of games to massively improve his ave poss per game they have been that low. 2 5 7 9 11 which ever number does it matter they are poor.
Jack averages 13 this year and the ball is almost always kicked to him inside 50. Should we delist him too?
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Judging a developing tall fwd/ruckman on the number of possessions they get.. sheesh.
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most supporters are all chicken littles.
most can see we have to give up something to get something but steadfastly refuse to offer up a player who may become a decent player.a player who has some potential but has shown only the odd good sign here or there after 5 seasons.
people continually ignore his performances lock in on his potential and poo their pants at the thought of him becoming a decent player at another club. who gives a toss what he does at another club hes nothing but a means to an end to me.
me i couldnt give a toss if he stays or goes. his performances have been in the main lousy.whilst i would prefer to keep him over vickery that is not possible.i would happily trade him and our second rounder to carlton for their first rounder which would be a top 10 pick.the only trouble with trading for picks is i have little faith in our recruiters but i believe we need to go thru the process despite their lousy records.
we dont need 3 200cm ruck / fwds one is expendable, what we need is a genuine power fwd, a jtall agile gunston type and a high quality super quick crumbing sml fwd. we also need a replacement combative ruckman for ivan in our system.
its unbelievable people scared of losing an under performing player because they may one day become a good player. seems most have not learnt a thing about what this club has got so wrong for so many yrs on end. no wonder edwards king newman and so so many others have played so many games for us for so little return.
me i want a decent pick to actually address a serious list deficiency we have 3 players who can never ever play in the same team ffs playing two of them is fraught with danger. one of em is expendable take your pick i really dont care which one goes my preference would be to foist vickery onto some unsuspecting club. but hey the chicken littles around here dont want to lose him either in fact they dont want to lose anyone who has some sort of worth. as long as they show some sort of potential all is good. its laughable.
Who are the two players that are in the team that shouldn't be in, IYO?
If Griffiths was to be traded, 2nd round pick? What would you want to get for that?
not naming names but nearly half of those who played on saturday night i would be looking to upgrade on over the next 3 yrs.
depending on pick and whos available id want to address any of, power kpf/tallfwd, kpd, real big inside mid, outside mid, sml med running defender sml/med classy quick fwd. . combative ruckman. we lack depth imo in too many areas. what we do have is three 200cm fwd/rucks with no chance in the world of playing them all together yet alone playing 2 together.
heres a question for you how many do we need.
FF/ #### - Riewoldt 195cm/92kg - griffiths 200/202
HF/ #### - vickery 200/98 - mcbean 202/93 eventually 100kg
fair dinkum it aint going to happen ever.
even if you take out mcbean it is too top heavy and cumbersome.
now here is the sort of fwd structure id like for us to use. this is all about structure player type and player dimensions if you like.. this is what id be chasing in up coming drafts the next 2 or 3 yrs.
FF/ #### - cloke 196/108 - gunston 193/85
hf/ #### - roughhead 193/100 - ####
R/ MARIC 200CM/ 102 BIG TOUGH COMBATIVE RUCKMAN
INT/ RYDER 197/92 MORE A RUCK ROVER BUT YOU DONT LOSE ANYTHING WHEN HE RUCKS. CAN GO FWD AND CAN COVER FOR INJURY THRU A GAME.
now i can think of a good junior prospect for each of these positions fairly early in the draft.
2 tall forwards i would have imo, with 2 half forwards, 1 lead up mid forward and 1 classy, quick small
forward ...
i agree playing McBean, Griffiths, Vickery, Reiwoldt is too tall. it is interesting that the club said it will
go for two things, a midfielder and a tall forward. we just need one of McBean, Vickery, Griffiths to start taking marks and kicking big goals ... McBean is very skinning with great skills. IMO Vickery is better in the Ruck and around the ground!
Retruiting Hampson was horrible! could never mark a football! so there is a ruckman gone! Vickery for him IMO.
but like you are saying, one of those three may need to
be traded. I am a Griffiths fan, but can see your point and i think it is a fair call too.
I would honestly don't know who to let go?
Funny how Alex Rance On The Couch said that Choco calls Griff a "tease"
just like a cute girl at a bar!
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Would be very silly to not re-sign this bloke
agree
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Trade the bum and instead sign Chris knights huggins to another 3 years
Money better spent on the likes of him and matt Thomas
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:lol
Biff has shown the ability to get two touches in an entire game.
Now you're just being facetious.
may be hes being what you said but ffs you cant handle the truth and what he said is very close to the truth.
Ben has averaged 9 disposals a game this year not 2. Just pointing out the slight inaccuracies…...
He got 2 touches in round 12 against Nth, and then got rightly dropped. :whistle
And in his 13 games this year he is yet to be in our best players. :lol
He has improved this year, from being putrid to doing ok at times. :clapping
I agree with Claw, we don't need all 3.
For once I'd like to see our club put their balls on the line and make a call that might come back to bite them BUT might also put us ahead of where we are. Picking up one decent kid each year in the draft just isn't enough to catch the top sides. That's why also I'd like us to take a FA as well. We are so far behind we need to be bold!!! Surely you can understand that?
Our drafting lately has been safe, picking players that if they fail in one position could maybe play in another. Bits and pieces players, glass half full types. If we think we need an on-baller, draft a genuine on-baller, one that is dominating at TAC level. Not a halfback flanker that we think maybe can turn into an on-baller.
Same goes for our ruckman and forwards. No more guys that are ok at both. Pick them for the potential of being stars in their position.
It's embarrassing seeing genuine ruckman coming through each year in other sides and we have struggle to pick/develop a decent young ruckman since Mark Lee.
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:lol
Biff has shown the ability to get two touches in an entire game.
Now you're just being facetious.
may be hes being what you said but ffs you cant handle the truth and what he said is very close to the truth.
Ben has averaged 9 disposals a game this year not 2. Just pointing out the slight inaccuracies…...
He got 2 touches in round 12 against Nth, and then got rightly dropped. :whistle
And in his 13 games this year he is yet to be in our best players. :lol
He has improved this year, from being putrid to doing ok at times. :clapping
I agree with Claw, we don't need all 3.
For once I'd like to see our club put their balls on the line and make a call that might come back to bite them BUT might also put us ahead of where we are. Picking up one decent kid each year in the draft just isn't enough to catch the top sides. That's why also I'd like us to take a FA as well. We are so far behind we need to be bold!!! Surely you can understand that?
Our drafting lately has been safe, picking players that if they fail in one position could maybe play in another. Bits and pieces players, glass half full types. If we think we need an on-baller, draft a genuine on-baller, one that is dominating at TAC level. Not a halfback flanker that we think maybe can turn into an on-baller.
Same goes for our ruckman and forwards. No more guys that are ok at both. Pick them for the potential of being stars in their position.
It's embarrassing seeing genuine ruckman coming through each year in other sides and we have struggle to pick/develop a decent young ruckman since Mark Lee.
i dont mind this as long as they dont sign up spuds like knights and thomas and then get rid of your griffiths types.
be consistent and get rid of all the list cloggers and trade out some players who have genuine currency like edwards and co, then grab a young star as well as a big FA.
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He got 2 touches in round 12 against Nth, and then got rightly dropped. :whistle
He was subbed out during the third term so didn't play an entire game at all.
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He got 2 touches in round 12 against Nth, and then got rightly dropped. :whistle
He was subbed out during the third term so didn't play an entire game at all.
Dang, right before he was about to explode
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Clawsy doesnt rate Griff but he hasnt rated Rance as well so for me Id like to see Griff stay. He has only played 30 games or something, for me 2 years on about $200k a year is fair enough for big bad Benny.
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Pick up Hampson then trade Griffiths.
L M A O
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Clawsy doesnt rate Griff but he hasnt rated Rance as well so for me Id like to see Griff stay. He has only played 30 games or something, for me 2 years on about $200k a year is fair enough for big bad Benny.
* still doesn't rate rance
Wants him replaced by rutten or 'rutten type
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I was moved when I heard Rance's comments about Griffiths, how the players went to him we believe in you so now you have to believe in yourself.
I think a turning point could be in the 1st quarter when he backed himself to kick it from 60m out taking only 3 steps.
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Dang, right before he was about to explode
Could have gotten us over the line against North. Pretty even when he went off, we ended up losing by 4 goals. ;D
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I wouldn't lose any sleep if we got a decent return for him because unfortunately I don't see him making it. Has a lot of weapons but doesn't seem like he'll put it all together.
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I wouldn't lose any sleep if we got a decent return for him because unfortunately I don't see him making it. Has a lot of weapons but doesn't seem like he'll put it all together.
I know claw and bt also say that, but many of us rightly or wrongly think he is on the verge of being a more than handy player for us.
I look back this year and note that he has been able to lift and save the side a few times, a quality that often gets ignored. Whilst his overall numbers are low, just think about the quality of his work.
Round 2. Match saving mark in the backline with 34 seconds left in the last quarter. Ball goes forward from his booming kick and Dusty seals it.
Round 3. Kicks a goal in the last quarter from 55m on the boundary line to put us within a kick under enormous pressure.
Round 20. Takes some great down the line marks to relieve pressure. Great half volley pick up and give off almost unheard of for a 200cm player. Passes the ball importantly to Maric to seal the win.
Round 21. Apart from his 65m goal his booming kick from the centre sets up Gordon to put us in from. Another crunch time piece of play that helps us win.
Sure they are not huge in number, but for all the posters who bag disposals that are nothing disposals like little hand passes or kicks back and forth, those disposals or marks occurred at times when we needed someone to stand up. That fact Griff could stand and deliver makes him more valuable than just his numbers suggest.
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not naming names but nearly half of those who played on saturday night i would be looking to upgrade on over the next 3 yrs.
depending on pick and whos available id want to address any of, power kpf/tallfwd, kpd, real big inside mid, outside mid, sml med running defender sml/med classy quick fwd. . combative ruckman. we lack depth imo in too many areas. what we do have is three 200cm fwd/rucks with no chance in the world of playing them all together yet alone playing 2 together.
heres a question for you how many do we need.
FF/ #### - Riewoldt 195cm/92kg - griffiths 200/202
HF/ #### - vickery 200/98 - mcbean 202/93 eventually 100kg
fair dinkum it aint going to happen ever.
even if you take out mcbean it is too top heavy and cumbersome.
now here is the sort of fwd structure id like for us to use. this is all about structure player type and player dimensions if you like.. this is what id be chasing in up coming drafts the next 2 or 3 yrs.
FF/ #### - cloke 196/108 - gunston 193/85
hf/ #### - roughhead 193/100 - ####
R/ MARIC 200CM/ 102 BIG TOUGH COMBATIVE RUCKMAN
INT/ RYDER 197/92 MORE A RUCK ROVER BUT YOU DONT LOSE ANYTHING WHEN HE RUCKS. CAN GO FWD AND CAN COVER FOR INJURY THRU A GAME.
now i can think of a good junior prospect for each of these positions fairly early in the draft.
Gunston rarely plays in the pocket.
That is the spot that Clarkson uses for the resting ruckman - you know like a Griffith.
In the past it has been largely Hale but this year he has also used McEvoy and Ceglar as that ruck/forward.
"fair dinkum it aint going to happen ever.
even if you take out mcbean it is too top heavy and cumbersome"
Seemed to work pretty well for the Hawks last year when they won the premiership with Roughead, Hale, Franklin and Gunston all playing forward.
But you think that, taking our McBean, it is too top heavy and cumbersome even with only Riewoldt, Griffith and Vickery.
Edit: Sorry Judge.
My initial failed first post canvassed the same topics before I reposted.
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Grand final winning:
Franklin
Roughed
Gunston
Hale
Bailey
I am fairly sure there were times four of them were in the same forward line
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I wouldn't lose any sleep if we got a decent return for him because unfortunately I don't see him making it. Has a lot of weapons but doesn't seem like he'll put it all together.
I know claw and bt also say that, but many of us rightly or wrongly think he is on the verge of being a more than handy player for us.
I look back this year and note that he has been able to lift and save the side a few times, a quality that often gets ignored. Whilst his overall numbers are low, just think about the quality of his work.
Round 2. Match saving mark in the backline with 34 seconds left in the last quarter. Ball goes forward from his booming kick and Dusty seals it.
Round 3. Kicks a goal in the last quarter from 55m on the boundary line to put us within a kick under enormous pressure.
Round 20. Takes some great down the line marks to relieve pressure. Great half volley pick up and give off almost unheard of for a 200cm player. Passes the ball importantly to Maric to seal the win.
Round 21. Apart from his 65m goal his booming kick from the centre sets up Gordon to put us in from. Another crunch time piece of play that helps us win.
Sure they are not huge in number, but for all the posters who bag disposals that are nothing disposals like little hand passes or kicks back and forth, those disposals or marks occurred at times when we needed someone to stand up. That fact Griff could stand and deliver makes him more valuable than just his numbers suggest.
I believe it was his effort that set up either our last or second last goal (the one he didn't kick that resulted in Gordons goal) to seal the game and it's part of the reason I would keep him if we couldn't get anything decent for him, but he did start the year off well and died back down again and that's a concerning factor because will that happen again because as others said his games have only been passable - solid but I wouldn't call them good. FWIW I reckon the comparing him to Vickery and Bean are a bit unfair as they seem more of a deep forward who would swap into the ruck whereas Griff can cover the ground well and take down the line marks playing as a CHF, which we don't have any players that can do.
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Removing the sub, returning to 4 on the bench but with limited rotations, could we afford to take an extra tall into games?
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Removing the sub, returning to 4 on the bench but with limited rotations, could we afford to take an extra tall into games?
A good one yes a bad one no
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Clawsy doesnt rate Griff but he hasnt rated Rance as well so for me Id like to see Griff stay. He has only played 30 games or something, for me 2 years on about $200k a year is fair enough for big bad Benny.
wrong again. ive argued pretty strongly over a few areas of rances game. ive never ever called for his head just that he be given more a third tall rebounding role and we go out and find a player capable of always competing one v one against the bigger blokes.
i rated rance enough to want us to take him at pick 18 in his draft yr. the debate for me has been the role we have him play. i still have issues but am happy to admit he is getting better in them.
my comments on griffiths are mostly based on his actual performances and out put which is very poor if we are honest with our selves. like most i see the potential yet i see potential in most players. at the end of the day they live or die by what they can consistently do on the footy field.
unlike rance i have been happy to see us trade griffiths out and ive given good reasons i think. personally id rather trade vickery but hes contracted but the club love him and it wont happen.
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Grand final winning:
Franklin 196cm hff flanker thats how he plays. is as quick agile and tackles as well as most medium sized players if not netter. they lose nothing with his height this is what makes him special.
Roughed 193cm power fwd
Gunston 193 88kg third tall who this yr has had to play in the key post great on the lead and hits up very well.
Hale played of the interchange and ruck and rests fwd at times. giving buddy and roughead a break.
Bailey played as a ruckman and went for as long as he could before being subbed out of most games.
they played 3 tall fwds and two ruckmen
you propose we play one tallfwd riewoldt at 195cm and whos slow 3 ruck/fwds at 200cm and 1 ruckman in ivan. lol it is dramatically a different set up to hawthorns,
I am fairly sure there were times four of them were in the same forward line
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Another game that showed some tantalising talent.....
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Another game that showed some tantalising talent.....
Agree Doc. That goal on the run to burn off his opponent then at full pace banana it through was sublime. This kid has skill and can play. That was not easy given his size. Consistency will come from confidence and knowing he can play the game at this level given he can do stuff like that. :thumbsup
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Another game that showed some tantalising talent.....
:cheers fonally showing what I thought he had
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What he does is good, I'm biased.....maybe Lennon for the big girl next week and go tall.
Btw Lennon been really tough......
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7 very tantalizing touches. :lol
Looked extremely lazy at times. Refuses to chase his opponent out of our forwardline. No tackles again today.
We have a guy in the twos who has more ability but lacks a defensive side to his game. :whistle
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Another game that showed some tantalising talent.....
Agree Doc. That goal on the run to burn off his opponent then at full pace banana it through was sublime. This kid has skill and can play. That was not easy given his size. Consistency will come from confidence and knowing he can play the game at this level given he can do stuff like that. :thumbsup
Yep
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Is clearly improving and gaining confidence. Was very good today, stats don't paint a true picture. does things most big guys can't, 20-30 more games and he'll be setting the league alight.
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Griffo has to stay at CHF. We throw Ty into a forward pocket as a decoy tall. Griffo then has 2 great options to kick to. How simple is that guys?
We have a great long kick in our side who can hit a long or short target.
With Ty or Jack providing to great options on the goal line for Griffo to kick to we will be able to exploit Sydney's defence and create many a goal through these avenues. If these options are not there then we have players streaming forward to create goals but have the targets in key spots on the field as back up options.
C'mon Hardwick you need to play these 3 talls up forward with this type of structure...
We will blitz them this way with Lids and Martin roaming to crumb.
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Typo to was meant to be 2
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Is clearly improving and gaining confidence. Was very good today, stats don't paint a true picture. does things most big guys can't, 20-30 more games and he'll be setting the league alight.
Agree. Hoping he can expose Sydney's weakness in Ruck division when goes in to relieve Maric during game.
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Was he sighted in the third quarter?
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Was he sighted in the third quarter?
I thought he took that great mark 25m out and kicked truly from there Chucky.
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Was he sighted in the third quarter?
I thought he took that great mark 25m out and kicked truly from there Chucky.
Yeah, thought there was one quarter he didnt get near the ball
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7 very tantalizing touches. :lol
Looked extremely lazy at times. Refuses to chase his opponent out of our forwardline. No tackles again today.
We have a guy in the twos who has more ability but lacks a defensive side to his game. :whistle
He laid a massive tackle at a stoppage. Buried the guy in the turf
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Straight out for Vix
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Kicked 2 goals and went well. If he can maintain 2 goals per game then that's 44 goals from CHF. That's a very good return for the season proper.
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you propose we play one tallfwd riewoldt at 195cm and whos slow 3 ruck/fwds at 200cm and 1 ruckman in ivan. lol it is dramatically a different set up to hawthorns,
Incorrect.
I am saying playing three of them, there is no reason it wont work.
ie.
hf - Cotchin - Griffiths/Vickery - Martin
ff - McBean - Reiwoldt - Deledio
ob - Maric - Miles - Vlastuin/Conca/Foley
McBean is a tantalizing prospect.
With have played 3 (tall) forwards and a ruck before. Infact, there have been occasions where we have played 3 tall forward and two rucks.
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If we lose this bloke bc we offered him way less than other clubs you can thank Newman and the brightsparks who re-signed him
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ffs did we not sign him for one season, yet?? (
my wanker saints friends told me they have offereed griff big money
ontracts List:
2014: Arnot, Astbury, Batchelor, Dea, A.Edwards, Elton, Griffiths, Helbig, Knights, McBean, McDonough, McIntosh, Newman, O'Hanlon, Petterd
2015: Cotchin, Ellis, Foley, Gordon, Grigg, Grimes, Jackson, Lennon, Lloyd, Martin, Rance
2016: Chaplin, Conca, S.Edwards, Hampson, Houli, Maric, Riewoldt, Vickery, Vlastuin
2017: Deledio, Morris
:banghead :banghead :banghead
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I don't agree with this but if he isn't going to ever be played ahead of Vickery and with McBean coming through we may as well trade him while we can get something for him.
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I don't agree with this but if he isn't going to ever be played ahead of Vickery and with McBean coming through we may as well trade him while we can get something for him.
his value will go up not down
Don't see why he cannot go past Vickery in say two years , if not sooner
I rate them both , both have upside
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only an imbecile would trade him now.
The same imbecile who gave Oldman another year
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but if he isn't going to ever be played ahead of Vickery
I dont think that is set in stone, Dwaino.
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As tony said, you can't re-sign Newman and get rid of one of the most talented big men we have had at Richmond for years. Needs to be coached on how to demand the ball more and his teammates need to honour his leads more often. Huge potential.
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Give him two years on medium money
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Trade Vickery, keep Griffiths.
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Trade Vickery, keep Griffiths.
Agreed. But Ol' Slugger is contracted.
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Needs to be coached on how to demand the ball more and his teammates need to honour his leads more often.
Great call.
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but if he isn't going to ever be played ahead of Vickery
I dont think that is set in stone, Dwaino.
Sure seems that way though. Only comes in when sideshow bob is injured or suspended :-[
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With have played 3 (tall) forwards and a ruck before. Infact, there have been occasions where we have played 3 tall forward and two rucks.
And we never look as good as we do when we only play 2 talls and a ruckman
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Griff v Vicki
Better Presenter, mark, leap, pack splitting attitude, ruckman.
Longest kick in the competition by a long shot.
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Based on averages this year
Vickery - more disposals, goals, marks inside 50 and clearances
Griff - more marks, tackles, hit outs, inside 50's, contested possessions, double the contested marks, one %'s and of course effective disposals.
Have to account for different roles played but it paints a bit of a picture the better player. Probably the take home stat for me is games played. Griff - 33 and Vicks - 87. Oh and where I got these stats have them listed at same height but has Griffiths as 7kg heavier (104-97)
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I wonder if he can torp
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:lol
Biff has shown the ability to get two touches in an entire game.
Now you're just being facetious.
may be hes being what you said but ffs you cant handle the truth and what he said is very close to the truth.
Ben has averaged 9 disposals a game this year not 2. Just pointing out the slight inaccuracies…...
He got 2 touches in round 12 against Nth, and then got rightly dropped. :whistle
And in his 13 games this year he is yet to be in our best players. :lol
He has improved this year, from being putrid to doing ok at times. :clapping
I agree with Claw, we don't need all 3.
For once I'd like to see our club put their balls on the line and make a call that might come back to bite them BUT might also put us ahead of where we are. Picking up one decent kid each year in the draft just isn't enough to catch the top sides. That's why also I'd like us to take a FA as well. We are so far behind we need to be bold!!! Surely you can understand that?
Our drafting lately has been safe, picking players that if they fail in one position could maybe play in another. Bits and pieces players, glass half full types. If we think we need an on-baller, draft a genuine on-baller, one that is dominating at TAC level. Not a halfback flanker that we think maybe can turn into an on-baller.
Same goes for our ruckman and forwards. No more guys that are ok at both. Pick them for the potential of being stars in their position.
It's embarrassing seeing genuine ruckman coming through each year in other sides and we have struggle to pick/develop a decent young ruckman since Mark Lee.
wow your after me heart tone.
dont know how long ive been saying similar for.
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Another fine game from Ben. That mark in the last minute was the clincher.
Great to see him coming of age.
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Another fine game from Ben. That mark in the last minute was the clincher.
Great to see him coming of age.
His pressure acts and littke tap ons when he was on the ground were great too. I thought his first quarter was very good and help set up the 33 point break which ultimately won us the game.
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With have played 3 (tall) forwards and a ruck before. Infact, there have been occasions where we have played 3 tall forward and two rucks.
And we never look as good as we do when we only play 2 talls and a ruckman
Maybe caus we were using spuds like McGaune Aaron Edwards hampsons orrens
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Whenever he marks and kicks long to Jack we are very dangerous . he gave off to Jack a couple of his goals.
His 1% ers were great, I had him as best on the ground in the first and one of our best overall.
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Ralphy tweeted that Dan Richardson says they are close to doing a deal with Griff. Astbury too.
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Ralphy tweeted that Dan Richardson says they are close to doing a deal with Griff. Astbury too.
:pray :clapping
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Griff is the man. get the deal done ASAP.
For my money I would put Vicks Vapo Rub up for trade. Griff has excelled and IMHO is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better option.
I think we handball Vickery and maybe get something for him, keep developing Elton, keep Stephenson on the Rookie list as a backup and we are sweet. As an aside there may be a discarded Ruck at GWS who is waiting in the wings BUT I think we have done very well with Maric and there is no reason we can't identify a similar beastie out there. Saying that Maric is not only a quality player but is also a quality individual, which we need quality people before quality players.
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I would love to keep both Vickery and Griff competing for the spot. Eventually I think Vickery could make a strong ruckman in his own right. If could very well become an excellent aggressive ruckman when Maric in injured or retires. He is very mobile and I can see growing in strength and ability every year. Working with Griff, we would be a tough team in compete against in the ruck.
Griff has been a revaluation this half year. He is finally attacking the ball and has the confidence to use his weapons to the teams benefit. When he can begin to take more grabs in and around the F50 he will be hard to stop
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There is a place for both of them in the team. Need to sign up Griffiths pronto. He has shown he is on the right path.
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Ralphy tweeted that Dan Richardson says they are close to doing a deal with Griff. Astbury too.
Superb.
Would consider trading Vickery and Grimes if we could get maybe 2nd round picks.
Anything less I'd rather keep them. Would be great if we could find a way for Jack, Griff and Vickery to all play in the F50. All 3 are exceptional at ground level for their heights. I'd even be happy for Griff and Jack to play up the wing a bit more. Griff's marking/long kicking and Jack's inside 50 delivery are sensational.
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Just have to ask when is he going to start kicking goals? For our second tall kicking less than 1 a game isn't good enough IMO
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Just have to ask when is he going to start kicking goals? For our second tall kicking less than 1 a game isn't good enough IMO
If he creates goal that is good enough for me. Gave one off to Jack in the first quarter. Kick over the zone in the first resulted in a goal to Jack too when Richards fumbled going back with the flight.
The guy creates goals with his long kicking. He does kick them too though and he kicks them under pressure. I remember he kicked one 55m out on the boundary at Etihad this year against the Doggies to put us within a goal of them deep in the last quarter.
Don't forget he is also spending significant chunks of the game in the ruck and he often goes down back in that role.
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Just have to ask when is he going to start kicking goals? For our second tall kicking less than 1 a game isn't good enough IMO
They seem to be playing him very much up the wings at present and clearing out the forward line. I think this is a definite strategy to either isolate Jack, Cotch or Dusty or to allow space for our midfielders to run into. Griff is really being used as a transitional/link player. If they play him deep and he found space to leap he would cause all sorts of problems though.
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Ralphy tweeted that Dan Richardson says they are close to doing a deal with Griff. Astbury too.
Superb.
Would consider trading Vickery and Grimes if we could get maybe 2nd round picks.
Anything less I'd rather keep them. Would be great if we could find a way for Jack, Griff and Vickery to all play in the F50. All 3 are exceptional at ground level for their heights. I'd even be happy for Griff and Jack to play up the wing a bit more. Griff's marking/long kicking and Jack's inside 50 delivery are sensational.
TRADE GRIMES??????? IMVHO he is finally coming good, to trade Grimes would be a tragedy, he is excellent, second efforts fantastic, speed and play reading very good. I would like to know who you would consider we would get for him. He is on my do not trade list
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& what happens when Griffiths breaks down & we don't have another good option like Vickery to back the others up. We need to keep all of them. need to fine tune the skills of some players.
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Just have to ask when is he going to start kicking goals? For our second tall kicking less than 1 a game isn't good enough IMO
They seem to be playing him very much up the wings at present and clearing out the forward line. I think this is a definite strategy to either isolate Jack, Cotch or Dusty or to allow space for our midfielders to run into. Griff is really being used as a transitional/link player. If they play him deep and he found space to leap he would cause all sorts of problems though.
He does go deep at times for a rest and that's when he goes missing when really it would be nice for him to kick a few goals. Don't want to detract from what has been a good few weeks for the big fella who continues to improve, but if it wasn't for his abnormally long kick he wouldn't contribute to so many goals and I feel he still needs to get involved more a kick a few more.
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Just have to ask when is he going to start kicking goals? For our second tall kicking less than 1 a game isn't good enough IMO
If he creates goal that is good enough for me. Gave one off to Jack in the first quarter. Kick over the zone in the first resulted in a goal to Jack too when Richards fumbled going back with the flight.
The guy creates goals with his long kicking. He does kick them too though and he kicks them under pressure. I remember he kicked one 55m out on the boundary at Etihad this year against the Doggies to put us within a goal of them deep in the last quarter.
Don't forget he is also spending significant chunks of the game in the ruck and he often goes down back in that role.
if hes spending significant amounts of time in the ruck and being freed up he should be getting a significant amount more ball.
look ithought he had a decent game against sydney but ffs he needs to ge his hands on the ball much more and he needs to hit the scoreboard.
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Notable that it was said (by Jack I think) that Vickery is training the house down and is very eager to get back into the team.
Maybe with Big Gun Ben Griffith halting his automatic place, cruising in the forward line and half hearted efforts in the ruck Ty might get back to being a ruckman who has to work for a living.
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Was very important in the first quarter getting 6 touches but fell away after that to finish the game with 11. Even thought he chased well early but seemed to lumber around after that first quarter.
5 touches of the footy in 3 quarters isn't great. At least he had a tackle this week.
Also thought his decision making in that first quarter wasn't great. Kicked long to Gordon one on one in the pocket when he should have kicked it to 20 out from goal.
Also had Petterd short on another occasion but bombed it long again. Needs to pick when it's time to use that long kick.
Is definitely improving but unlike some still think he is a long way away from cementing his spot. The fact that Dimma is even talking about him means he feels the same.
We need him this week for an entire game otherwise it's like we play one short for big periods of the game. A few goals would be nice too. :gotigers
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Just have to ask when is he going to start kicking goals? For our second tall kicking less than 1 a game isn't good enough IMO
They seem to be playing him very much up the wings at present and clearing out the forward line. I think this is a definite strategy to either isolate Jack, Cotch or Dusty or to allow space for our midfielders to run into. Griff is really being used as a transitional/link player. If they play him deep and he found space to leap he would cause all sorts of problems though.
He does go deep at times for a rest and that's when he goes missing when really it would be nice for him to kick a few goals. Don't want to detract from what has been a good few weeks for the big fella who continues to improve, but if it wasn't for his abnormally long kick he wouldn't contribute to so many goals and I feel he still needs to get involved more a kick a few more.
Had to read that again, for a minute I thought you were talking about Robbie Nahas!
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Had to read that again, for a minute I thought you were talking about Robbie Nahas!
:lol :clapping
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Richmond were great on Saturday afternoon, overcoming ladder-leaders Sydney, to win their ninth straight game, booking a spot in the finals. The Tigers' Ben Griffiths joins Chrisso & McGuane for a chat about the win.
AUDIO: https://soundcloud.com/rsn-racing/ben-griffiths-richmond-tigers-afl
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“He’s athletic, he’s 200cm, he can run, he can kick it a mile . . . he’s just got that belief he’s now an AFL-quality player, and we’re very happy that he’s started to find that form because he’s really important to us. ‘Griff’ has obviously secured a spot . . . absolutely. Ty is a selection decision we’ll make. Griff, to his credit, has played consistent footy since Ty’s gone out. Once you’re in the side, it’s hard to go out, if you’re playing a good, consistent brand of footy.” - Damien Hardwick.
* I’ve put in a lot of hard work, so to get that sort of feedback from coach Hardwick is really good to hear. I’ve been thrown around a bit. I’ve played down back and now I think I’ve started to secure that spot in the ruck/forward role which really suits me I think.
* Over the pre-season, I worked really hard with Choco and did extra sessions after training, just working on one-on-one stuff, which is where I needed to improve my game. I just found that if I based my game on that, the rest sort of came. Without putting on too much more weight, I sort of got stronger. I think I matured a bit into my body and obviously being able to have the consistent training over the pre-season’s really helped me do that.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-09-02/big-ben-making-up-for-lost-time
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Just have to ask when is he going to start kicking goals? For our second tall kicking less than 1 a game isn't good enough IMO
They seem to be playing him very much up the wings at present and clearing out the forward line. I think this is a definite strategy to either isolate Jack, Cotch or Dusty or to allow space for our midfielders to run into. Griff is really being used as a transitional/link player. If they play him deep and he found space to leap he would cause all sorts of problems though.
He does go deep at times for a rest and that's when he goes missing when really it would be nice for him to kick a few goals. Don't want to detract from what has been a good few weeks for the big fella who continues to improve, but if it wasn't for his abnormally long kick he wouldn't contribute to so many goals and I feel he still needs to get involved more a kick a few more.
If Bradman wasnt so good at making runs he would not even have that high an average
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Just have to ask when is he going to start kicking goals? For our second tall kicking less than 1 a game isn't good enough IMO
They seem to be playing him very much up the wings at present and clearing out the forward line. I think this is a definite strategy to either isolate Jack, Cotch or Dusty or to allow space for our midfielders to run into. Griff is really being used as a transitional/link player. If they play him deep and he found space to leap he would cause all sorts of problems though.
He does go deep at times for a rest and that's when he goes missing when really it would be nice for him to kick a few goals. Don't want to detract from what has been a good few weeks for the big fella who continues to improve, but if it wasn't for his abnormally long kick he wouldn't contribute to so many goals and I feel he still needs to get involved more a kick a few more.
If Bradman wasnt so good at making runs he would not even have that high an average
Not your best work Judge.
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Do you get the point?
To judge on non existant hypotheticals is pretty rough on griff
Like saying if cotchin wasnt good at getting the ball he wouldnt be as good
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Do you get the point?
To judge on non existant hypotheticals is pretty rough on griff
Like saying if cotchin wasnt good at getting the ball he wouldnt be as good
My point is that he does nothing special with his kicking or have really good kicking, he can just get it that extra 10 meters and put it in the dangerous spot more often than others. Reckon he's progressed really well this year but needs to do more
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Just have to ask when is he going to start kicking goals? For our second tall kicking less than 1 a game isn't good enough IMO
They seem to be playing him very much up the wings at present and clearing out the forward line. I think this is a definite strategy to either isolate Jack, Cotch or Dusty or to allow space for our midfielders to run into. Griff is really being used as a transitional/link player. If they play him deep and he found space to leap he would cause all sorts of problems though.
He does go deep at times for a rest and that's when he goes missing when really it would be nice for him to kick a few goals. Don't want to detract from what has been a good few weeks for the big fella who continues to improve, but if it wasn't for his abnormally long kick he wouldn't contribute to so many goals and I feel he still needs to get involved more a kick a few more.
If Bradman wasnt so good at making runs he would not even have that high an average
Not your best work Judge.
I actually think he said it well. If it wasn't for his abnormally long kick.....Guess what, one of his weapons is his kicking. He may not kick many goals but he creates them. Dimma finally has realised this as he said it himself.
He just has to get the ball more. If he gets 20 possessions one day, look out!
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Do you get the point?
To judge on non existant hypotheticals is pretty rough on griff
Like saying if cotchin wasnt good at getting the ball he wouldnt be as good
My point is that he does nothing special with his kicking or have really good kicking, he can just get it that extra 10 meters and put it in the dangerous spot more often than others. Reckon he's progressed really well this year but needs to do more
That's what I thought your point was. :thumbsup
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You are delusional
He repeatedly kicks 60 meters over the zone to set up goals. Massive weapon
If it were ice hockey its be going down as assists
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Do you get the point?
To judge on non existant hypotheticals is pretty rough on griff
Like saying if cotchin wasnt good at getting the ball he wouldnt be as good
My point is that he does nothing special with his kicking or have really good kicking, he can just get it that extra 10 meters and put it in the dangerous spot more often than others. Reckon he's progressed really well this year but needs to do more
Define good kicking...
Richo has said on a few occasions that he is the best kick in the side.
Just because he can kick an extra 10m.... Well that extra 10m clears defensive zones and creates scoring opportunities.
FFS this is one of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on this site!
We know the guy is not a champion but he has a unique set of tools that if we can develop will give the team a player that opposition sides will poot themselves in the future.
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He's more a required player than Newman or conca and they've been gifted matches
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Just to recap: "If footballers didn't have their best attributes they wouldn't be as good."
Stunning insight there - truly revelatory.
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Just to recap: "If footballers didn't have their best attributes they wouldn't be as good."
Stunning insight there - truly revelatory.
Profound
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
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Must keep, end of story. Close thread. ;D
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
what Owl said
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
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Trade Vickery for Higgins.
Griffs going nowhere
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If he only got five possessions per game but kicked them 100 metres on average each would that be OK?
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If he only got five possessions per game but kicked them 100 metres on average each would that be OK?
if they were forward of the centre and accurate, a resounding yes!!!!! ;D
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
Maybe you could do me a favour bt. Find out the average tackle count of 200cm+ players in the league and compare it to Griffs.
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And make it KPP's not ruckman.
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
Maybe you could do me a favour bt. Find out the average tackle count of 200cm+ players in the league and compare it to Griffs.
Nick Nat- 26 tackles in his last 20 quarters. Griff must work harder when he hasn't got the footy and that's a LOT.
Anything else you need while I'm handing out favours?
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It's not apples and apples for mine, ruckman have more tackles than most big men cause they are around repeat stoppages often.
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
Maybe you could do me a favour bt. Find out the average tackle count of 200cm+ players in the league and compare it to Griffs.
Nick Nat- 26 tackles in his last 20 quarters. Griff must work harder when he hasn't got the footy and that's a LOT.
Anything else you need while I'm handing out favours?
Nic Nat is not a KPP. You could only come up with one example?
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
Maybe you could do me a favour bt. Find out the average tackle count of 200cm+ players in the league and compare it to Griffs.
Nick Nat- 26 tackles in his last 20 quarters. Griff must work harder when he hasn't got the footy and that's a LOT.
Anything else you need while I'm handing out favours?
Cos Nic Nat has been as starved of opportunity as Griff.....
Would be fairer to compare nat to Vivkery
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
Maybe you could do me a favour bt. Find out the average tackle count of 200cm+ players in the league and compare it to Griffs.
Nick Nat- 26 tackles in his last 20 quarters. Griff must work harder when he hasn't got the footy and that's a LOT.
Anything else you need while I'm handing out favours?
I'll help you then...
Ben Griffiths average tackle count 2014: 2.9
Vickery : 2.2
Taylor Walker: 1.6
Lachie Henderson: 1.9
Jake Carlisle: 2.0
Joe Daniher: 1.3
Cloke: 1.7
Jesse White: 2.1
Aaron Black: 2.0
Drew Petrie 2.6
Schultz: 2.4
David Hale: 2.2
Kurt Tippett: 1.0
In fact the only KPPs that have a higher average tackle count in 2014 is Josh Kennedy from the eagles with 3.1, Lance Franklin with 3.2 and Jarryd Roughhead with 3.0!!!! And none of them are that far ahead either...
SO THESE ARE THE FACTS. YOU CANNOT SAY GRIFF DOES NOT TACKLE ENOUGH!!!!!!
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:clapping
*gets popcorn
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
Maybe you could do me a favour bt. Find out the average tackle count of 200cm+ players in the league and compare it to Griffs.
Nick Nat- 26 tackles in his last 20 quarters. Griff must work harder when he hasn't got the footy and that's a LOT.
Anything else you need while I'm handing out favours?
I'll help you then...
Ben Griffiths average tackle count 2014: 2.9
Vickery : 2.2
Taylor Walker: 1.6
Lachie Henderson: 1.9
Jake Carlisle: 2.0
Joe Daniher: 1.3
Cloke: 1.7
Jesse White: 2.1
Aaron Black: 2.0
Drew Petrie 2.6
Schultz: 2.4
David Hale: 2.2
Kurt Tippett: 1.0
In fact the only KPPs that have a higher average tackle count in 2014 is Josh Kennedy from the eagles with 3.1, Lance Franklin with 3.2 and Jarryd Roughhead with 3.0!!!! And none of them are that far ahead either...
SO THESE ARE THE FACTS. YOU CANNOT SAY GRIFF DOES NOT TACKLE ENOUGH!!!!!!
On one hand you want to compare him with KPF's when it suits you then when it doesn't he is a forward/ruckman.
10 of the players you mention are KPF's, is that what Biff is?
If so and you are comparing him to KPF, how many goals has he kicked this year? I'll tell you, 11. At .7 a game.
I bet you everyone on your list has a better goal average than Biff this year. Even young Joe. But I may be wrong?? :whistle
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
Maybe you could do me a favour bt. Find out the average tackle count of 200cm+ players in the league and compare it to Griffs.
Nick Nat- 26 tackles in his last 20 quarters. Griff must work harder when he hasn't got the footy and that's a LOT.
Anything else you need while I'm handing out favours?
I'll help you then...
Ben Griffiths average tackle count 2014: 2.9
Vickery : 2.2
Taylor Walker: 1.6
Lachie Henderson: 1.9
Jake Carlisle: 2.0
Joe Daniher: 1.3
Cloke: 1.7
Jesse White: 2.1
Aaron Black: 2.0
Drew Petrie 2.6
Schultz: 2.4
David Hale: 2.2
Kurt Tippett: 1.0
In fact the only KPPs that have a higher average tackle count in 2014 is Josh Kennedy from the eagles with 3.1, Lance Franklin with 3.2 and Jarryd Roughhead with 3.0!!!! And none of them are that far ahead either...
SO THESE ARE THE FACTS. YOU CANNOT SAY GRIFF DOES NOT TACKLE ENOUGH!!!!!!
Also writing in capital letters makes you look like a baby that's throwing a tantrum. :sleep
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Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
Maybe you could do me a favour bt. Find out the average tackle count of 200cm+ players in the league and compare it to Griffs.
Nick Nat- 26 tackles in his last 20 quarters. Griff must work harder when he hasn't got the footy and that's a LOT.
Anything else you need while I'm handing out favours?
I'll help you then...
Ben Griffiths average tackle count 2014: 2.9
Vickery : 2.2
Taylor Walker: 1.6
Lachie Henderson: 1.9
Jake Carlisle: 2.0
Joe Daniher: 1.3
Cloke: 1.7
Jesse White: 2.1
Aaron Black: 2.0
Drew Petrie 2.6
Schultz: 2.4
David Hale: 2.2
Kurt Tippett: 1.0
In fact the only KPPs that have a higher average tackle count in 2014 is Josh Kennedy from the eagles with 3.1, Lance Franklin with 3.2 and Jarryd Roughhead with 3.0!!!! And none of them are that far ahead either...
SO THESE ARE THE FACTS. YOU CANNOT SAY GRIFF DOES NOT TACKLE ENOUGH!!!!!!
On one hand you want to compare him with KPF's when it suits you then when it doesn't he is a forward/ruckman.
10 of the players you mention are KPF's, is that what Biff is?
If so and you are comparing him to KPF, how many goals has he kicked this year? I'll tell you, 11. At .7 a game.
I bet you everyone on your list has a better goal average than Biff this year. Even young Joe. But I may be wrong?? :whistle
When I looked at rucks he was better than most as well! Nic Nat and Matthew Lobe were the two big exceptions.
Your argument was far more biassed and selective than mine.
You found games where he tackled less and then found just one player in the league that was better over that time.
Look just face it, you cannot say you were wrong with Ben. Look at 99% of the posters. They share my view.
You are just waiting and hoping that he has a poor game to pounce. At 22 and 34 games that might be this week but he has shown enough to say that he is worth persevering with.
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Griff will tell you himself that he has room for improvement as IMHO he has amazing ability, but isn't it great that we are comparing him against multiple positions - how's he go against wingers
Hats off to him though, been playing some good footy lately.
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Ignoring factual evidence also makes one look unprofessional (tackle stats)
While people are interested in such things as tackles. I recommended looking into Griff one Percenter's too. Might be pleasantly surprised
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For me Griff has stood up when it counted. Taking clutch marks when the game is in the balance for me is more powerful than black and white stats can ever tell.
I'm not a fan of fox footy commentary but in the final 2 minutes of the Swans game I think the commentary from the kick in was pretty spot on. "it's kick to kick at the moment. it's back to the school yard. and he's a school yard hero Ben Griffiths."
Benny G dropped the mark there was a good chance the Swans could've roved it and slot through a goal. On paper it was just 1 contested mark. But in the context of the game it was huge. And its not the first time he's taken clutch marks or kicked clutch goals.
For me this is the true value of Benny G and that is why we must re-sign him ASAP
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Rank Name Games Average
1 M. Thomas 13 5.92
2 R. Conca 18 5.22
3 A. Miles 12 4.33
4 D. Jackson 10 4.30
5 N. Foley 17 4.18
6 T. Cotchin 22 4.14
7 R. Petterd 16 3.94
8 S. Lloyd 8 3.50
9 S. Edwards 22 3.36
10 N. Vlastuin 19 3.11
11 B. Griffiths 15 2.8
Griff is also pretty stuffing accurate, we just need to get the ball to him more, bring him into the game a bit more. At the moment he has been trying to win a lot of his own like a midfielder, and has been positively mugged by defenders in the last few games, which is good. It tells us they know he is the real deal and is going have to start dealing with it, freeing up other forwards to pull the marks down. This bloke is awesome, there isn't even a debate to be had, he is plucking marks, taking two defenders, moving round the map like a dirt bike and sending cruise missile in to advantage, what isn't to like?
Ask big tone and claw. Both want to trade him!
He is a highlight reel at the moment. A few good things a game. Then goes missing for massive chucks of the game. Not even Y&BB could disagree with that.
He has had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of footy since he has come back in. Not great however you try and spin that.
I'd trade him for any pick under 20 especially in this draft when you could pick up a gem at any pick in the first 20.
A few long kicks and a few big marks haven't changed my opinion of him yet.
Let's hope he isn't the one to let us down this week.
I'd only trade him for a top 15 pick.
I agree that he needs to get the ball more but he'll never be a high possession guy. If he can average 15 possessions a game he will be an excellent player for us. I guess I look at it like this. One 65m kick from him is worth more than 6 back and forth handballs. Yet those handballs give a player an inflated possession count. One game saving pack mark is worth 10+ marks that are obtained from short chip kicks in the backline. So you see, stats don't tell us the whole story.
3 tackles in 20 quarters tells me a pretty telling story.
Maybe he should take up punting in the US. That would be perfect for him. Sit on his arse for massive chunks of the game then get up and kick it a long way. And 99% of the time he doesn't have to touch anyone. :lol perfect!!
It looks like we don't agree on this one, but I hope you are right, the RFC need it. :gotigers
Maybe you could do me a favour bt. Find out the average tackle count of 200cm+ players in the league and compare it to Griffs.
Nick Nat- 26 tackles in his last 20 quarters. Griff must work harder when he hasn't got the footy and that's a LOT.
Anything else you need while I'm handing out favours?
I'll help you then...
Ben Griffiths average tackle count 2014: 2.9
Vickery : 2.2
Taylor Walker: 1.6
Lachie Henderson: 1.9
Jake Carlisle: 2.0
Joe Daniher: 1.3
Cloke: 1.7
Jesse White: 2.1
Aaron Black: 2.0
Drew Petrie 2.6
Schultz: 2.4
David Hale: 2.2
Kurt Tippett: 1.0
In fact the only KPPs that have a higher average tackle count in 2014 is Josh Kennedy from the eagles with 3.1, Lance Franklin with 3.2 and Jarryd Roughhead with 3.0!!!! And none of them are that far ahead either...
SO THESE ARE THE FACTS. YOU CANNOT SAY GRIFF DOES NOT TACKLE ENOUGH!!!!!!
On one hand you want to compare him with KPF's when it suits you then when it doesn't he is a forward/ruckman.
10 of the players you mention are KPF's, is that what Biff is?
If so and you are comparing him to KPF, how many goals has he kicked this year? I'll tell you, 11. At .7 a game.
I bet you everyone on your list has a better goal average than Biff this year. Even young Joe. But I may be wrong?? :whistle
Griff has the most tackles at Richmond
For everyone, outside MIDs
To word it another way - of every non short player, Griff average most tackles.
11th overall for 1℅ers
The Griff does tackle enough argument is almost as poor as the if Griff didn't have he ability to kick long, he would be less good.
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Yes but if he didn't lay tackles and apply 1%ers, and couldn't kick long, there wouldn't be much there to work with in my opinion.
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Yes but if he didn't lay tackles and apply 1%ers, and couldn't kick long, there wouldn't be much there to work with in my opinion.
Outside of his outstanding contested marking, and considerable ruck development - he would really not be much of a prospect.
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But he has only had 3 tackles in 20 quarters of football!
Dud. Delist. :huh
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Do you get the point?
To judge on non existant hypotheticals is pretty rough on griff
Like saying if cotchin wasnt good at getting the ball he wouldnt be as good
My point is that he does nothing special with his kicking or have really good kicking, he can just get it that extra 10 meters and put it in the dangerous spot more often than others. Reckon he's progressed really well this year but needs to do more
Define good kicking...
Richo has said on a few occasions that he is the best kick in the side.
Just because he can kick an extra 10m.... Well that extra 10m clears defensive zones and creates scoring opportunities.
FFS this is one of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on this site!
We know the guy is not a champion but he has a unique set of tools that if we can develop will give the team a player that opposition sides will poot themselves in the future.
Richo says that about someone new every week. All Griff does is get it and bang it 60m and yes it's a weapon but no one has really addressed my original point. This wouldn't be an argument if people didn't argue the fact that he needs to find a way to kick more goals.
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Do you get the point?
To judge on non existant hypotheticals is pretty rough on griff
Like saying if cotchin wasnt good at getting the ball he wouldnt be as good
My point is that he does nothing special with his kicking or have really good kicking, he can just get it that extra 10 meters and put it in the dangerous spot more often than others. Reckon he's progressed really well this year but needs to do more
Define good kicking...
Richo has said on a few occasions that he is the best kick in the side.
Just because he can kick an extra 10m.... Well that extra 10m clears defensive zones and creates scoring opportunities.
FFS this is one of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on this site!
We know the guy is not a champion but he has a unique set of tools that if we can develop will give the team a player that opposition sides will poot themselves in the future.
Richo says that about someone new every week. All Griff does is get it and bang it 60m and yes it's a weapon but no one has really addressed my original point. This wouldn't be an argument if people didn't argue the fact that he needs to find a way to kick more goals.
I think people have to think a little deeper than "if he kick more goals". Last Saturday he handed a goal to Jack and them ajack kicked one directly after Richards had spilt a long range kick from Griff. So in a space of a few minutrs he helped the team directly to two goals. Does it matter how many he kicks himself if it means others are finishing off his good work?
The main thing is that when the ball is in his hands something positive happens for our team. At the moment this is happening. As I said we just need to get the ball in his hands more often. We need to honour his leads more and not be totally Jack conscious when going forward.
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For me his lack of goals shows me his lack of influence when playing deep, I don't think it's unfair to question when he might start having an influence deep?
Just to recap: "If footballers didn't have their best attributes they wouldn't be as good."
Stunning insight there - truly revelatory.
Okay maybe you need things spelled out for you. Take long kick off Griff and he has practically 0 impact apart from his one nice mark a game. Take long kick off Deledio he'll still hit you on the chest lace out and kick goals (granted a few less).
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For me his lack of goals shows me his lack of influence when playing deep, I don't think it's unfair to question when he might start having an influence deep?
Just to recap: "If footballers didn't have their best attributes they wouldn't be as good."
Stunning insight there - truly revelatory.
Okay maybe you need things spelled out for you. Take long kick off Griff and he has practically 0 impact apart from his one nice mark a game. Take long kick off Deledio he'll still hit you on the chest lace out and kick goals (granted a few less).
Do watch our games? Serious question. Griffiths is 15th in the whole league for contested marks. He doesn't take one nice mark a game. You are showing a complete lack of knowledge in this area.
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okay what should a person expect from a fwd /ruck . the bloke who plays second ruck is freed up for 30 40 minutes a game. the bloke who plays as your kpf for big chunks of games.
for me cm, mi 50, one stat id like to see is cm i50, tackles, 1%, h/o, goals. and disposals are all important when talking about this type of player.
it seems to me your tall defenders should be right up there in 1% ers just spoiling your direct opponent would boost this stat enormously. your inside mids should have big tackle counts, tall fwds should have high marking stats weather they be contested or hitting up into space.
just common sense.
lets see big ivan
he takes 3.3 marks a game nothing special probably a bit low, of those 3.3 mks he averages just o.69 contested mks a game this yr. and further more just 0.23 are marked inside 50.
ivan lays 2.84 tackles a game this yr again imo a smidge low but combined with the blocks and bullocking work its okay. he has 3.38 1%ers a game but he does find the ball on ave 14.62 times a game hence he winning ball and handballing with second and third efforts at stoppages.
hes the main ruckman and spends most time in the role and he ave 25.8 h/o a game probably a tad low as well. to finish hthis yr hes ave just 0.3 goals a game this needs to be more imo.
when i do the same sort of exercise with griffiths vickery and hampson all are satisfactory in some areas and poor in others'
people talking about griffiths here the stats back up what i see.
and that is he doesnt find anywhere near enough ball. while he takes his share of marks and his stats are okay id say for the role we expect of him this is down a tad as well.
he doesnt take enough marks inside 50 and he certainly does not impact the scoreboard anywhere near enough. as a back up ruckman he doest win enough hit outs .
this is not criticism its reality and just pointing out what the bloke really needs to work on and improve.
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And that is why claw I judge by what I see players do not just by what is written on the stats sheet. Stats don't cover everything, just the highlights.
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And that is why claw I judge by what I see players do not just by what is written on the stats sheet. Stats don't cover everything, just the highlights.
Eggzakry. Riv in the now. Forget pas. Who care future.
(http://yellow-face.com/images/yellowface-smiley.jpg)
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Trade Vickery for Higgins.
Griffs going nowhere
I like your thinking.
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Griff has re signed BTW😉
http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-09-04/emerging-quartet-resigns
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For me his lack of goals shows me his lack of influence when playing deep, I don't think it's unfair to question when he might start having an influence deep?
Just to recap: "If footballers didn't have their best attributes they wouldn't be as good."
Stunning insight there - truly revelatory.
Okay maybe you need things spelled out for you.
That's rich from someone constantly seems to require posts expanded upon and explained to them in detail.
Take long kick off Griff and he has practically 0 impact apart from his one nice mark a game. Take long kick off Deledio he'll still hit you on the chest lace out and kick goals (granted a few less).
Ergo wouldn't be quite as good would he? QED.
Besides the comment about Griffiths marking is factually wrong. FWIW I'm not 100% on his bandwagon yet either. That I'd keep him over Vickery isn't exactly what I'd regard as a ringing endorsement.
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Ok that second quote, I need to hit my head with a hammer a few times and reduce my IQ to understand it better.
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Trade Vickery for Higgins.
Griffs going nowhere
I like your thinking.
wtf higgins?
aim higher
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Trade Vickery for Higgins.
Griffs going nowhere
I like your thinking.
wtf higgins?
aim higher
Don't worry Bents. Nobody would trade for Higgins anyway. He is a free agent.
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i dont know why richmond fans would want vickery to leave unless it was an exceptional deal
to me seems almost the perfect back up ruck / forward
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It's great we have depth now, don't believe I'm saying this but vickery is a keeper.
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The Best of Benny Griffiths ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-09-04/griffiths-the-great
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:cheers :) :cheers
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For me his lack of goals shows me his lack of influence when playing deep, I don't think it's unfair to question when he might start having an influence deep?
Just to recap: "If footballers didn't have their best attributes they wouldn't be as good."
Stunning insight there - truly revelatory.
Okay maybe you need things spelled out for you. Take long kick off Griff and he has practically 0 impact apart from his one nice mark a game. Take long kick off Deledio he'll still hit you on the chest lace out and kick goals (granted a few less).
Do watch our games? Serious question. Griffiths is 15th in the whole league for contested marks. He doesn't take one nice mark a game. You are showing a complete lack of knowledge in this area.
By nice I was referring to the ones that look good, he's game savers, speckies, any spectacular looking ones which he's pretty good for at least one a game.
people talking about griffiths here the stats back up what i see.
and that is he doesnt find anywhere near enough ball. while he takes his share of marks and his stats are okay id say for the role we expect of him this is down a tad as well.
he doesnt take enough marks inside 50 and he certainly does not impact the scoreboard anywhere near enough. as a back up ruckman he doest win enough hit outs .
this is not criticism its reality and just pointing out what the bloke really needs to work on and improve.
No point mate they'll just ignore the main point of the argument and bang on about how many marks he takes and how he has a long kick.
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For me his lack of goals shows me his lack of influence when playing deep, I don't think it's unfair to question when he might start having an influence deep?
Just to recap: "If footballers didn't have their best attributes they wouldn't be as good."
Stunning insight there - truly revelatory.
Okay maybe you need things spelled out for you.
That's rich from someone constantly seems to require posts expanded upon and explained to them in detail.
Take long kick off Griff and he has practically 0 impact apart from his one nice mark a game. Take long kick off Deledio he'll still hit you on the chest lace out and kick goals (granted a few less).
Ergo wouldn't be quite as good would he? QED.
Besides the comment about Griffiths marking is factually wrong. FWIW I'm not 100% on his bandwagon yet either. That I'd keep him over Vickery isn't exactly what I'd regard as a ringing endorsement.
1. I'd like to see one example of when someones needed to expand and explain something in detail to me.
2. Yes which is my whole point about him having to add more strings to his bow in particular kicking goals :banghead. At least no matter how out of form he is he'll always (maybe not when father time catches up) have the big hoof on him.
Yeah I was in a rush and didn't explain it well but I explained what I meant in my previous post, I'll wear that. I think everyone likes him and would keep him over Vickery, me included.
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Griffiths opts to stay at Tigerland
Jake Niall
The Age
September 5, 2014
Richmond's vastly improved key forward Ben Griffiths will remain at Tigerland, spurning offers from rival clubs to sign with the Tigers.
Griffiths, who had attracted interest from four or five clubs, including bottom-placed St Kilda, is set to sign a two-year contract, after arguably the most productive period of his career in the past five or six weeks.
The Tigers have also re-signed young gun Brandon Ellis for another two years once his current contract, which runs to the end of 2015, expires.
At one point earlier this season, Griffiths' future at Richmond seemed clouded. The Tigers had shown a preference for playing two big forwards, rather than three, and he was consigned to the VFL for seven weeks while they had Jack Riewoldt supported by Tyrone Vickery.
But the four-match suspension to Vickery for felling Dean Cox gave Griffiths an opportunity to resume in the seniors in round 19 against Greater Western Sydney.
Since then, he has cemented his position in the side, to the point that the more experienced Vickery wasn't brought back for last weekend's game against the Swans.
Griffiths, who turns 23 this month, took some important marks against the Swans, and while his numbers over the past five weeks have been modest – 11disposals, six marks and a one goal per game – he has filled an important structural role as the tall target and part-time ruck assisting Ivan Maric.
The difficulty most clubs have in finding key forwards ensured that there was interest in Griffiths as an out-of-contract player in the latter stage of the season. St Kilda, as the club with first pick in the pre-season draft for uncontracted players, shaped as the most worrisome suitor for the Tiger, since the Saints could take him without giving up anything in return.
The 200-centimetre Griffiths has a powerful boot and was regarded as an excellent prospect when drafted in 2009, but he was held back by injuries.
Griffiths was shifted to defence by Damien Hardwick in 2012. Last year, he fell out of favour and played only one senior game for a modest career tally of just 19, but the Tigers opted to hang on to him and this year sent him into to the forward line.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/griffiths-opts-to-stay-at-tigerland-20140904-10cmvu.html
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Last few weeks probably proved to Griff that he isn't just around for backup when someone is injured, but if he is good enough he will hold his own spot.
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Sydney successfully play;
Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.
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Sydney successfully play;
Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.
I said this in the Sydney game thread when we played them. No reason we cant play Vicks, Griff, Reiwoldt and Maric!! Should be done!! Regardless of the win against Sydney we should of done it then or at least against Port.
Damien was too scared.
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Sydney successfully play;
Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.
They also have the best 2 way running midfield in the comp. Plus Franklin has the agility of a medium tall - not many franklins around
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Sydney successfully play;
Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.
I said this in the Sydney game thread when we played them. No reason we cant play Vicks, Griff, Reiwoldt and Maric!! Should be done!! Regardless of the win against Sydney we should of done it then or at least against Port.
Damien was too scared.
Vickery + Riewoldt + McBean + Griffiths + Maric
:shh
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Sydney successfully play;
Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.
I said this in the Sydney game thread when we played them. No reason we cant play Vicks, Griff, Reiwoldt and Maric!! Should be done!! Regardless of the win against Sydney we should of done it then or at least against Port.
Damien was too scared.
Vickery + Riewoldt + McBean + Griffiths + Maric
:shh
x2... :thumbsup
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that fwd line would get absolutely smashed on the rebound - be realistic fellas, Vickery, griff and Reiwoldt are hardly known for their hard running
edit:(throw McBean in that too - one of the criticisms I hear is his defensive work is not up to scratch)
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Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin
Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either
Sydney successfully play;
Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.
They also have the best 2 way running midfield in the comp. Plus Franklin has the agility of a medium tall - not many franklins around
Perhaps then stop drafting / playing one way runners then
Thomas
Griggs
Our lack of fitness as opposed to a port or Sydney is poor form.
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Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin
Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either
shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -
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And we play McGaune, a Edwards, Hampson, orren. :help
Jack is a multiple Coleman winner.
Maric is satisfactory.
Vickery McBean Griffiths will get better
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Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin
Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either
shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -
He is correct TM. The biggest difference is that their mids and small forwards work 10 times harder than ours running both ways. This gives their big forwards the look of being good defensively.
If you look at average tackle stats per game for 2014 for the big guys as a marker of defensive actions then:
Tippett: 1.0
Reid: 2.4
Goodes: 1.5
Franklin: 3.1
Riewoldt: 2.1
Vickery: 2.2
Griffiths: 2.8
Maric: 2.9
So our guys on average are better tacklers overall!!!!
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Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin
Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either
shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -
Or shedloads better coached and positioned at the right time???
Or shedloads better developed, tried and put faith into????
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Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin
Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either
shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -
He is correct TM. The biggest difference is that their mids and small forwards work 10 times harder than ours running both ways. This gives their big forwards the look of being good defensively.
If you look at average tackle stats per game for 2014 for the big guys as a marker of defensive actions then:
Tippett: 1.0
Reid: 2.4
Goodes: 1.5
Franklin: 3.1
Riewoldt: 2.1
Vickery: 2.2
Griffiths: 2.8
Maric: 2.9
So our guys on average are better tacklers overall!!!!
The difference is
The syd mid group run both ways
The richmond.. Only cotchin does it
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that fwd line would get absolutely smashed on the rebound - be realistic fellas, Vickery, griff and Reiwoldt are hardly known for their hard running
edit:(throw McBean in that too - one of the criticisms I hear is his defensive work is not up to scratch)
agree. ive for yrs advocated at least 3 genuine tall fwds but not three or 4 dinosaurs and certainly not part time fwds.
lets face it sydney play franklin an over sized super athletic quick hff, at 196/100kg hes kpp size which makes him one of the most difficult players in the comp to match up on.people have to realize the franklins of this world are once in a generation players and its his presence that enables sydnet to play 4 talls and not lose much in pace run and agility.
reid is a 196/95 kpp similar size to riewoldt but quicker and more agile. i dont think hes been a good player very over rated imo.
goodes is only 191cm but 100kg used to be super agile and had good pace imo hes being carried in most games.
tippett at 201/105 is their fwd /ruck, hes agile and reasonably quick for his size. hes shown himself to be a good fwd and a handy back up 2nd ruck nothing more. mike pyke rucks 80% 90% of games hes their ivan maric.
only one of their 4 tall fwds is 200plus cm and hes the one who is the poorest defensively but hes the one who gives em a chop out in the ruck.
i keep on saying it very few 200cm players have ever become very good kpfs. there are one or two exceptions one being tippett. but in saying that imo tippett has been nothing special just a good solid player and is streets behind many more traditionally sized kpfs.
me i think we need to structure up this way. taking just 3 tall hypothetical players from this yrs draft.
ff/ #### - mccartin 194/95 - griffiths 200/102. replace griffiths with mcbean if you wish. mccartin is a quality key fwd first and foremost.
ff/ #### - goodes 191/100 - tippett 201/105.
hf/ #### - riewoldt 195/95 - lamb 192/in time 92kg. lamb is athletic and quick like buddy just not as big few players of this type are.
hf/ #### - ried 196/95 - franklin 196/102.
in the wings kietel 194/94 kpf in time. elton 197/100 must develop, mcbean 200cm hopefully 100kg ruck/fwd in time.
what im saying is sydney do have a tall fwd set up but apart from tippett height wise its fairly normal.
finally sydneys set up is nothing new they played a similar sized fwd line in the 2012 gf. with goodes ried and roberts - thompson 194/94. they played two first rucks in mumford and pyke .
hawthorn last yr had gunston franklin, roughead with hale fwd ruck and bailey as starting ruck. its tall but its not abnormally tall.
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that fwd line would get absolutely smashed on the rebound - be realistic fellas, Vickery, griff and Reiwoldt are hardly known for their hard running
edit:(throw McBean in that too - one of the criticisms I hear is his defensive work is not up to scratch)
agree. ive for yrs advocated at least 3 genuine tall fwds but not three or 4 dinosaurs and certainly not part time fwds.
lets face it sydney play franklin an over sized super athletic quick hff, at 196/100kg hes kpp size which makes him one of the most difficult players in the comp to match up on.people have to realize the franklins of this world are once in a generation players and its his presence that enables sydnet to play 4 talls and not lose much in pace run and agility.
reid is a 196/95 kpp similar size to riewoldt but quicker and more agile. i dont think hes been a good player very over rated imo.
goodes is only 191cm but 100kg used to be super agile and had good pace imo hes being carried in most games.
tippett at 201/105 is their fwd /ruck, hes agile and reasonably quick for his size. hes shown himself to be a good fwd and a handy back up 2nd ruck nothing more. mike pyke rucks 80% 90% of games hes their ivan maric.
only one of their 4 tall fwds is 200plus cm and hes the one who is the poorest defensively but hes the one who gives em a chop out in the ruck.
i keep on saying it very few 200cm players have ever become very good kpfs. there are one or two exceptions one being tippett. but in saying that imo tippett has been nothing special just a good solid player and is streets behind many more traditionally sized kpfs.
me i think we need to structure up this way. taking just 3 tall hypothetical players from this yrs draft.
ff/ #### - mccartin 194/95 - griffiths 200/102. replace griffiths with mcbean if you wish. mccartin is a quality key fwd first and foremost.
ff/ #### - goodes 191/100 - tippett 201/105.
hf/ #### - riewoldt 195/95 - lamb 192/in time 92kg. lamb is athletic and quick like buddy just not as big few players of this type are.
hf/ #### - ried 196/95 - franklin 196/102.
in the wings kietel 194/94 kpf in time. elton 197/100 must develop, mcbean 200cm hopefully 100kg ruck/fwd in time.
what im saying is sydney do have a tall fwd set up but apart from tippett height wise its fairly normal.
finally sydneys set up is nothing new they played a similar sized fwd line in the 2012 gf. with goodes ried and roberts - thompson 194/94. they played two first rucks in mumford and pyke .
hawthorn last yr had gunston franklin, roughead with hale fwd ruck and bailey as starting ruck. its tall but its not abnormally tall.
Agree with some of that but Reid IMO is not quicker and more agile than Jack. Jack could play at half forward he moves so well. Plus he is smart and a great field kick.
Also Goodes is taller than 191cm IMO, more like 195.
Agreed though you cannot play players like Griff and Vickery with Jack in the forward line. Jack, McBean and Vickery/Griff maybe but you would want to have some extra speed when the ball hits the ground- Gartlett maybe??
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I'll tell you something.
They don't get any shorter.
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Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin
Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either
shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -
Plus they are shedloads of shedloads offensively better than the RFC group put up.
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Sydney successfully play;
Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.
They also have the best 2 way running midfield in the comp. Plus Franklin has the agility of a medium tall - not many franklins around
Add to that they have some small forwards than can do damage.
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Pretty fair point
Jetta. McVeigh jack etc. Offer more protection to the kpps
Than grigg. Newman Thomas etc
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Pretty fair point
Jetta. McVeigh jack etc. Offer more protection to the kpps
Than grigg. Newman Thomas etc
would not give you two bob for lewis jetta what an over rated player.mcveigh who i think for yrs went under the radar is on the slippery slope down. jack well i wouldnt mind him at our club.
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That was just off the top of my head
I can't spell mcglenn so i left him out
In general - the non KPP forward half pressure at Sydney, is top shelf.
Unlike that currently surrounding: jack, Griff, Vickery and one day mcbean
Similar to freo with Walters types; As opposed to Newmans and griggs
Hence if Griff was at a top club his development would not follow an identical track / sliding doors
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That was just off the top of my head
I ccan't spell mcglenn so i left him out
In general - the non kpp forward half pressure at Sydneyiis top shelf
Unlike that currently surrounding jack, Griff, Vickery and one day mcbean
Similar to freo with Walters types. As opposed to Newman's and griggs
Hence if Griff was at a top club his development would not follow an identical track
Hit, Nail, Head.
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That was just off the top of my head
I ccan't spell mcglenn so i left him out
In general - the non kpp forward half pressure at Sydneyiis top shelf
Unlike that currently surrounding jack, Griff, Vickery and one day mcbean
Similar to freo with Walters types. As opposed to Newman's and griggs
Hence if Griff was at a top club his development would not follow an identical track
I like your posts Judge but you are too simplistic with your anti-Newman,Grigg, Thomas poo.
You are now blaming them for our forward line woes. At least have a crack at Flash and Shedwards here.
Our guns like Cotch and Dust let us down massively in the elim. Take Newman and Grigg out of that team and replace them with decent players and we still would have been pansed. Stop playing them for everything.
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That was just off the top of my head
I ccan't spell mcglenn so i left him out
In general - the non kpp forward half pressure at Sydneyiis top shelf
Unlike that currently surrounding jack, Griff, Vickery and one day mcbean
Similar to freo with Walters types. As opposed to Newman's and griggs
Hence if Griff was at a top club his development would not follow an identical track
I like your posts Judge but you are too simplistic with your anti-Newman,Grigg, Thomas poo.
You are now blaming them for our forward line woes. At least have a crack at Flash and Shedwards here.
Our guns like Cotch and Dust let us down massively in the elim. Take Newman and Grigg out of that team and replace them with decent players and we still would have been pansed. Stop playing them for everything.
He is right overall though. Our on ballers just do not work hard enough running both ways. It's what differentiates us from Sydney, Hawthorn, Port and Freo.
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That was just off the top of my head
I ccan't spell mcglenn so i left him out
In general - the non kpp forward half pressure at Sydneyiis top shelf
Unlike that currently surrounding jack, Griff, Vickery and one day mcbean
Similar to freo with Walters types. As opposed to Newman's and griggs
Hence if Griff was at a top club his development would not follow an identical track
I like your posts Judge but you are too simplistic with your anti-Newman,Grigg, Thomas poo.
You are now blaming them for our forward line woes. At least have a crack at Flash and Shedwards here.
Our guns like Cotch and Dust let us down massively in the elim. Take Newman and Grigg out of that team and replace them with decent players and we still would have been pansed. Stop playing them for everything.
You are probably right but it could be the case our bottom six are especially poor? Grigg plays hff tagger / tagger / one way running winger so to me that counts as forward line ppressure player. Newman has been 'reinvented' as a forward. I'm prettysure they are playing where other teams have jets
I agree the 'star' players could pull the finger out when forward. Its doesn't help playing them hurt.
For mine Shane Edwards harrases / chases better than most. Gorodns running stats are sposed to be good.
All the guys I love are a bit fat and slow unfortunately; Samuel Lloyd, arnot, mcdonuts,
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That was just off the top of my head
I ccan't spell mcglenn so i left him out
In general - the non kpp forward half pressure at Sydneyiis top shelf
Unlike that currently surrounding jack, Griff, Vickery and one day mcbean
Similar to freo with Walters types. As opposed to Newman's and griggs
Hence if Griff was at a top club his development would not follow an identical track
I like your posts Judge but you are too simplistic with your anti-Newman,Grigg, Thomas poo.
You are now blaming them for our forward line woes. At least have a crack at Flash and Shedwards here.
Our guns like Cotch and Dust let us down massively in the elim. Take Newman and Grigg out of that team and replace them with decent players and we still would have been pansed. Stop playing them for everything.
You are probably right but it could be the case our bottom six are especially poor? Grigg plays hff tagger / tagger / one way running winger so to me that counts as forward line ppressure player. Newman has been 'reinvented' as a forward. I'm prettysure they are playing where other teams have jets
I agree the 'star' players could pull the finger out when forward. Its doesn't help playing them hurt.
For mine Shane Edwards harrases / chases better than most. Gorodns running stats are sposed to be good.
All the guys I love are a bit fat and slow unfortunately; Samuel Lloyd, arnot, mcdonuts,
Agreed that our bottom six are poor. Also agree that our forward line pressure and overall defensive effort is not good enough. But this is a coaching thing as much as a talent thing. You place too much of the blame on Newman, Grigg etc. Yes they need to be upgraded but they are not the root of all our problems. Sometimes i wonder if our top six are good enough. I certainly wonder if our coaching panel are good enough.
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That was just off the top of my head
I ccan't spell mcglenn so i left him out
In general - the non kpp forward half pressure at Sydneyiis top shelf
Unlike that currently surrounding jack, Griff, Vickery and one day mcbean
Similar to freo with Walters types. As opposed to Newman's and griggs
Hence if Griff was at a top club his development would not follow an identical track
I like your posts Judge but you are too simplistic with your anti-Newman,Grigg, Thomas poo.
You are now blaming them for our forward line woes. At least have a crack at Flash and Shedwards here.
Our guns like Cotch and Dust let us down massively in the elim. Take Newman and Grigg out of that team and replace them with decent players and we still would have been pansed. Stop playing them for everything.
gotta agree and what a tangent. why not mention the snl/med fwds if we are having a discusion aboput protection for the tall fwds and our ability to defend in the fwd half. newman thomas and grigg have nothing to do with it.
those mids best equipped to help out are deledio, martin ellis and they are lousy defensively to go with a few others.ffs deledio and martin spend plenty of time fwd.
one thing for suure we dont have a rioli who is much maligned but would be the best sml fwd in the comp when it comes to tackles and pressure.
our talls are 200cm and slow or both our sml/med fwds just dont defend or work both ways and for the role are slow. yet judge blames newman thomas and grigg. an inside mid expected to win and dish the ball out in thomas who should not be expected to continuously go both ways and do his job , a defender newman and ffs our latest run with player in the midfield grigg who actually has had to be accountable to a player. weather hes done a godd job or not is another debate altogether.
finally ive posted up twice now what i would consider a high quality tall fwd set with plenty of pace and agility and not one person has made comment on it. the only conclusion i can come to with thats is people think we have a good enough tall fwd set up or they just dont want to acknowledge what needs to be done.
for the life of me who would not be over the moon with a tall fwd set up of riewoldt lamb and mccartin with griffiths or mcbean as a ruck/fwd. that is the sort of tall fwd set up we need to aspire to to get on level terms with a lot of clubs quality wise and be able to defend adequately in the back half.. yet deathly silence.
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Congratulations to Benny Griffiths for winning the most improved player award.
Hope he can demand the ball more next year and be consistent and silence his critics. :clapping
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Congratulations to Benny Griffiths for winning the most improved player award.
Hope he can demand the ball more next year and be consistent and silence his critics. :clapping
totally agree
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Surprised he didnt poll more votes due to the fact he can kick 65 metres
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Congratulations to Benny Griffiths for winning the most improved player award.
Hope he can demand the ball more next year and be consistent and silence his critics. :clapping
Well deserved :clapping. Hopefully he can win it again next year :shh
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gotta agree and what a tangent. why not mention the snl/med fwds if we are having a discusion aboput protection for the tall fwds and our ability to defend in the fwd half. newman thomas and grigg have nothing to do with it.
wot ?
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oh hes really improved
hes now going at
9 disposals a game,
0.75 goals a game
3.1 mks a game with 1.09 of em contested.
3.7 h/o a game
1.83 tackles a game
3.8 cps
1.6 i50s a game
yep phenomenal performance makes one ponder the improvement of others.
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oh hes really improved
hes now going at
9 disposals a game,
0.75 goals a game
3.1 mks a game with 1.09 of em contested.
3.7 h/o a game
1.83 tackles a game
3.8 cps
1.6 i50s a game
yep phenomenal performance makes one ponder the improvement of others.
This seasons stats are better claw. Average tackle count is 2.8 (best of our forwards), HO were 7.5 per game. Marks were up to 4.4 per game.
These stats don't show that he stood up in crunch moments in the year - match saving mark against the blues; goal from 55m out on the boundary to put us within a goal of the bulldogs in the last; match saving mark against the swans in the last game to help us sneak into the finals were just some that I can remember off the top of my head. If you can't see any improvement in his game I suggest you go out and buy a labrador mate. :whistle
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
Let's not make this a considered discussion. ;D
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
No diss but are you the person who recommended we draft fiora and tambling? He is a young tall who has finally been given a go, he is going ok and has a lot of upside. He has been a big plus for this season IMHO.
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
FFS claw. The guy had two shoulder recos in 2 years including one that required bone grafting. He was then in and out the side. Then he was played in defense and then dropped like a hot potato. Finally he gets a reasonable go this year and becomes the number one contested mark in the side. Why don't you look at things more deeply than looking at a few isolated stats and years since drafted. You are far too simplistic.
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
No diss but are you the person who recommended we draft fiora and tambling? He is a young tall who has finally been given a go, he is going ok and has a lot of upside. He has been a big plus for this season IMHO.
ive been attributed with a lot of things lambsy, but tambling and fiora are not among them.
just for you on pre just two weeks out from the nd i went deledio, franklin, lewis , and monfries. in that order with our picks . went off buddy because i listened to the bad attitude allegations mind you being in the west they were real. i have rarely picked a a player under 180cm inside the first two rounds especially skinny smls just a waste of time imo.
some players i really liked who did nothing. post yep i thought he could be a real good aerialist. ash sampi bjust loved this bloke. have to say i dont go for many indiginous types but sampi was one. i actually liked casserley great foot skills and was very happy we took him. chris yarran was another alex rance was another. people go mad at me because i continue to criticise him but i was over the moon he slipped to us. in fact i thought he would go top 10 despite the kicking. i still dont see alex in the role that most rfc people do in fact i was close to wanting us to delist him.
i liked dave gourdis as a kid not his sklls or bfooty smarts just his athleticism.we god thompson from p/a knew he had weaknesses but thought he could adapt. ffs theres lots ive been wrong about but the point is i think ive got far more right,
i used to say outright so and so is a dud after a short period at times.i wont do that anymore because there are plenty of small minded posters who want nothing more than to see you get it wrong and never ever let you forget it. i dont claim to get everything right no one in footy does . the key is to get a decent percent more right than wrong and i reckon i do that.
theres kids at gcs id like to rookie they have been cut. if i said there names and they didnt make it i would never live it down so i do pick my targets to comment on. when you think about oit its sad in a way cant talk about kids because its not worth the hassle.small minded people just looking for any old mistake ignoring religiously what you do ghet right.
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oh hes really improved
hes now going at
9 disposals a game,
0.75 goals a game
3.1 mks a game with 1.09 of em contested.
3.7 h/o a game
1.83 tackles a game
3.8 cps
1.6 i50s a game
yep phenomenal performance makes one ponder the improvement of others.
This seasons stats are better claw. Average tackle count is 2.8 (best of our forwards), HO were 7.5 per game. Marks were up to 4.4 per game.
These stats don't show that he stood up in crunch moments in the year - match saving mark against the blues; goal from 55m out on the boundary to put us within a goal of the bulldogs in the last; match saving mark against the swans in the last game to help us sneak into the finals were just some that I can remember off the top of my head. If you can't see any improvement in his game I suggest you go out and buy a labrador mate. :whistle
Feel like there was another clutch goal in there too
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
lazy, yet you admit you dont know how they stack up against others, yet continue to say his are not up to scratch.
perhaps then, to make it simpler, you could tell us what sort of stats you would regard as being up to scratch for a tall who has played less than 50 games?
and on that, do you really believe that age is more important than games played in terms of development, particularly when injury has played a big part in not playing?
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
lazy, yet you admit you dont know how they stack up against others, yet continue to say his are not up to scratch.
perhaps then, to make it simpler, you could tell us what sort of stats you would regard as being up to scratch for a tall who has played less than 50 games?
and on that, do you really believe that age is more important than games played in terms of development, particularly when injury has played a big part in not playing?
as i said your lazy iwont be doing any leg work for you. you want to find out how he compares do it yourself.
i dont need to look at stats too hard a blind man can see his output to date is poor.
all im saying is he has to improve one hell of a lot still, if you cant handle that its your problem.
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Dr Craw
agree with you re our happy hunting ground is probably GWS or GC.
There is a ruckman Jonathon Griffin who has played a handful of games for Freo but has been overshadowed by Turf Toe and now Zac Clarke
He is 28 , may be too old, but gee he played a few wonderful games for freo.
Like you say it is hard to put a name up as you get shot down, but we all should feel the love and know we are one happy family of Tiger supporters.
Personally I like your comments, if everyone said the same it wouldn't be a forum.
Controversy - love it...Claw bring it on.
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Lets not lose sight of the fact he can kick 66 metres
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Lets not lose sight of the fact he can kick 66 metres
It's actually 80 metres according to Dimma! :lol
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Pyongyang apparently interested in trading for Griff to launch their missiles.
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Pyongyang apparently interested in trading for Griff to launch their missiles.
Chuck in Hampson as a lauch pad
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oh hes really improved
hes now going at
9 disposals a game,
0.75 goals a game
3.1 mks a game with 1.09 of em contested.
3.7 h/o a game
1.83 tackles a game
3.8 cps
1.6 i50s a game
yep phenomenal performance makes one ponder the improvement of others.
This seasons stats are better claw. Average tackle count is 2.8 (best of our forwards), HO were 7.5 per game. Marks were up to 4.4 per game.
These stats don't show that he stood up in crunch moments in the year - match saving mark against the blues; goal from 55m out on the boundary to put us within a goal of the bulldogs in the last; match saving mark against the swans in the last game to help us sneak into the finals were just some that I can remember off the top of my head. If you can't see any improvement in his game I suggest you go out and buy a labrador mate. :whistle
Feel like there was another clutch goal in there too
How about those match winning / saving contested mark stats? :whistle
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
So you can rant for decades on end
But when you are asked to compare appleswith apples, in the nAME of fairness
Na CBF
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
lazy, yet you admit you dont know how they stack up against others, yet continue to say his are not up to scratch.
perhaps then, to make it simpler, you could tell us what sort of stats you would regard as being up to scratch for a tall who has played less than 50 games?
and on that, do you really believe that age is more important than games played in terms of development, particularly when injury has played a big part in not playing?
as i said your lazy iwont be doing any leg work for you. you want to find out how he compares do it yourself.
i dont need to look at stats too hard a blind man can see his output to date is poor.
all im saying is he has to improve one hell of a lot still, if you cant handle that its your problem.
i understand you are not prepared to provide stats to back up your rants. you made that abundantly clear.
all im asking is that you provide the benchmark and i will then go and find how many players in the league fulfill those requirements.
so once again, what sort of stats would you call acceptable for a big man with less than 50 games under his belt?
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
So you can rant for decades on end
But when you are asked to compare appleswith apples, in the nAME of fairness
Na CBF
na wrong as usual. i cant be bothered doing als leg work for him id rather cut off my right arm. i wouldnt pee on the bloke if he was on fire. you get the picture .
ive made a statement saying for a bloke in yr 5 regardless of the number of games hes played his performances dont stack up. if you or the anyone want to prove me wrong do your own legwork.
SNIP: keep the insults/name calling to yourself :banghead
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I would have liked to have read the unedited edition
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Wouldhave liked yo have read the uunedited edition
On the turps Bents?
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
So you can rant for decades on end
But when you are asked to compare appleswith apples, in the nAME of fairness
Na CBF
na wrong as usual. i cant be bothered doing als leg work for him id rather cut off my right arm. i wouldnt pee on the bloke if he was on fire. you get the picture .
ive made a statement saying for a bloke in yr 5 regardless of the number of games hes played his performances dont stack up. if you or the anyone want to prove me wrong do your own legwork.
SNIP: keep the insults/name calling to yourself :banghead
are you really saying that a blokes football should be developing, even when he isnt playing due to injury?
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how do those stats compare against other talls with less than 50 games under their belt?
what a lazy bugger work em out for yourself.
id hazard a guess and say they are comparable with most 1st and 2nd yr players who have been given a go. yet ben is what in yr 5 or 6.
all im doing is keeping peoples feet on the ground here. bens yr is hardly anything worth hanging your hat on now is it. statistically and imo input wise hes barely up to scratch in fact hes not.
hes gone from deplorable to what exactly ?????? yet he wins our most improved.
he goes into yr freakin 6 next yr will those stats be acceptable. imo they arent for yr 5. those stats show hes not good enough to play kpf and hes not there to play ruck.
ah defend em like your life depends on it. even when all the indicators say long long way to go.
now if we were to talk potential and possible upside th injury and other external factors i might join ya , but for me to date based purely on performance my eyes and statistically hes been very ordinary.
So you can rant for decades on end
But when you are asked to compare appleswith apples, in the nAME of fairness
Na CBF
na wrong as usual. i cant be bothered doing als leg work for him id rather cut off my right arm. i wouldnt pee on the bloke if he was on fire. you get the picture .
ive made a statement saying for a bloke in yr 5 regardless of the number of games hes played his performances dont stack up. if you or the anyone want to prove me wrong do your own legwork.
SNIP: keep the insults/name calling to yourself :banghead
:'(
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Ben improved out of sight this year, he really had no shot at it before then. Some of us can see the improvement and rate him, some cant, Some have painted themselves into a corner and arent comming out in a hurry. Lets all agree that it would be best for the RFC that the ones that see the improvement and potential are correct. I said before the year, any improvement from our list would come from the likes of Griffiths and Asbury. Watch this space next year, both will grow another leg.
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Ben improved out of sight this year, he really had no shot at it before then. Some of us can see the improvement and rate him, some cant, Some have painted themselves into a corner and arent comming out in a hurry. Lets all agree that it would be best for the RFC that the ones that see the improvement and potential are correct. I said before the year, any improvement from our list would come from the likes of Griffiths and Asbury. Watch this space next year, both will grow another leg.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Ben improved out of sight this year, he really had no shot at it before then. Some of us can see the improvement and rate him, some cant, Some have painted themselves into a corner and arent comming out in a hurry. Lets all agree that it would be best for the RFC that the ones that see the improvement and potential are correct. I said before the year, any improvement from our list would come from the likes of Griffiths and Asbury. Watch this space next year, both will grow another leg.
dont think anyone has said he has not improved. the amount of improvement and exactly where hes at is being debated.out of sight i dont think so. that is an over the top statement.
im arguing hes gone from pee poor down right deplorable to barely passable in fact i would not give him a pass mark. but yes hes shown some improvement.its the sort of incremental improvement he should have been showing each yr.
ive said he needs to continue to improve and continue to improve a fair bit to become a good player.it was no coincidence that he was shopped around last yr. he showed just enough this yr to save himself. imo.
i watch him play and my eyes tell me he does nowhere near enough he goes missing for huge chunks and has no influence on games. all the stats back up exactly these things.
yet we get the excuse oh hes only played so many games what 35 ignoring hes had 5 yrs in an afl system and there has been damn good reasons other than injury as to why hes played so few games..its excuse making for what is ordinary performances. why people feel the need to make excuses for players is beyond me.
they are either at an acceptable level or they are not. griffeths is still nowhere near it despite some improvement. clearly the hope has to be he can improve some more.
i keep asking this about vickery it is the same for griffiths.
as a kpf what is you expect them to do well and consistently well. as a ruckman what do you expect them to do well and consistently well.
when i read things like ben improved out of sight this yr i shake my head in wonder. he improved some to get somewhere close to where he should be. but needs to improve a damn sight more.
dunno about others but backed up from my eyes after 5 yrs regardless of number of games
9 disposals is not good enough.especially for a bloke who gets freed up in games by getting a run in the ruck.
4 marks for a 200cm kpf is not good enough especially for a bloke who relies on marks to gain half of his possesions.
1 mark inside 50 per game is not good enough
1.5 contested mks a game for a bloke his size is not good enough.
o.75 goals a game is nowhere near enough for one of your kpfs.
7.5 h/o a game for your second ruck is not good enough.
i could do em all thats his stats in a lot of categories this yr. it just shows how far he has to go. my eyes tell me when i watch him play hes doing nowhere near enough and the stats back me up to the hilt.
5 yrs in fully developed physically and has been for the last 4 yrs he has at no stage in his career delivered anywhere near enough either at afl level or vfl level. yet people defend and defend to what end i have no idea perhaps ite the idea he has and is taking so long or the idea that maybe he wont make it. we all hope he becomes a good player but to just ignore how poor hes been is stupidity and putting your head in the sand.
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Ben improved out of sight this year, he really had no shot at it before then. Some of us can see the improvement and rate him, some cant, Some have painted themselves into a corner and arent comming out in a hurry. Lets all agree that it would be best for the RFC that the ones that see the improvement and potential are correct. I said before the year, any improvement from our list would come from the likes of Griffiths and Asbury. Watch this space next year, both will grow another leg.
dont think anyone has said he has not improved. the amount of improvement and exactly where hes at is being debated.out of sight i dont think so. that is an over the top statement.
im arguing hes gone from pee poor down right deplorable to barely passable in fact i would not give him a pass mark. but yes hes shown some improvement.its the sort of incremental improvement he should have been showing each yr.
ive said he needs to continue to improve and continue to improve a fair bit to become a good player.it was no coincidence that he was shopped around last yr. he showed just enough this yr to save himself. imo.
i watch him play and my eyes tell me he does nowhere near enough he goes missing for huge chunks and has no influence on games. all the stats back up exactly these things.
yet we get the excuse oh hes only played so many games what 35 ignoring hes had 5 yrs in an afl system and there has been damn good reasons other than injury as to why hes played so few games..its excuse making for what is ordinary performances. why people feel the need to make excuses for players is beyond me.
they are either at an acceptable level or they are not. griffeths is still nowhere near it despite some improvement. clearly the hope has to be he can improve some more.
i keep asking this about vickery it is the same for griffiths.
as a kpf what is you expect them to do well and consistently well. as a ruckman what do you expect them to do well and consistently well.
when i read things like ben improved out of sight this yr i shake my head in wonder. he improved some to get somewhere close to where he should be. but needs to improve a damn sight more.
dunno about others but backed up from my eyes after 5 yrs regardless of number of games
9 disposals is not good enough.especially for a bloke who gets freed up in games by getting a run in the ruck.
4 marks for a 200cm kpf is not good enough especially for a bloke who relies on marks to gain half of his possesions.
1 mark inside 50 per game is not good enough
1.5 contested mks a game for a bloke his size is not good enough.
o.75 goals a game is nowhere near enough for one of your kpfs.
7.5 h/o a game for your second ruck is not good enough.
i could do em all thats his stats in a lot of categories this yr. it just shows how far he has to go. my eyes tell me when i watch him play hes doing nowhere near enough and the stats back me up to the hilt.
5 yrs in fully developed physically and has been for the last 4 yrs he has at no stage in his career delivered anywhere near enough either at afl level or vfl level. yet people defend and defend to what end i have no idea perhaps ite the idea he has and is taking so long or the idea that maybe he wont make it. we all hope he becomes a good player but to just ignore how poor hes been is stupidity and putting your head in the sand.
l'm putting this into the dribble files. The lad has improved greatly. l have watched him closely even before coming to Tigerland & his 2014 season was a pass. He has grabbed the bull by the horns forcing Vickery to fight for his place. His confidence has grown since working with Choco & he is teachable & is prepared to learn from those who offer great advise. His reading of the game has improved greatly. His marking has improved. His ability to get around the ground has improved & his courage has grown. think you need to re-watch the whole season including the VFL games. :lol
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lol its what i expected people lauding mediocrity.i suppose its all some know.
yes i think we all agree hes imroved but in ypour words some are just plain dribbling if they insisst hes at an acceptable level.lol a bloke who can manage just 9 disposals a game and still way below an acceptable level can win our most improved. what does that say about our players.
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would it be fair to say that contested marks are the most crucial of stats, if taken singularly for a big man?
Grfiffiths averaged 1.6 in 2014, but that is not good enough.
tippet 1.8
petrie 1.8
sandilands 1.8
shultz 1.7
pavelich 1.7
cloke 1.6
walker 1.5
Nick Riewoldt 1.5
westoff 1.4
Jarryd Roughead 1.3
Jack Riewoldt 1.2
Hansen 1.2
dean cox 0.9
Scott Lycett 0.9
Scott Lycett, now theres a name that we have repeatedly been told we should get. how do his stats compare to Bens, having only 1 less year in the system (without the missed football due to injury)
grithiths v lycett
disp 9 - 12 (kicks 6.3 - 5.7)
marks 4.4 - 3.8
c marks 1.6 - 0.9
m i50 1.1 - 1
goals 0.8 - 1.1 (behinds 0.9 - 0.4)
goal assists 0.4 - 0.1
I 50s 2.3 - 1.7
h/o 7.5 -13.7
1%ers 2.6 - 1.9
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would it be fair to say that contested marks are the most crucial of stats, if taken singularly for a big man?
Grfiffiths averaged 1.6 in 2014, but that is not good enough.
tippet 1.8
petrie 1.8
sandilands 1.8
shultz 1.7
pavelich 1.7
cloke 1.6
walker 1.5
Nick Riewoldt 1.5
westoff 1.4
Jarryd Roughead 1.3
Jack Riewoldt 1.2
Hansen 1.2
dean cox 0.9
Scott Lycett 0.9
Scott Lycett, now theres a name that we have repeatedly been told we should get. how do his stats compare to Bens, having only 1 less year in the system (without the missed football due to injury)
grithiths v lycett
disp 9 - 12 (kicks 6.3 - 5.7)
marks 4.4 - 3.8
c marks 1.6 - 0.9
m i50 1.1 - 1
goals 0.8 - 1.1 (behinds 0.9 - 0.4)
goal assists 0.4 - 0.1
I 50s 2.3 - 1.7
h/o 7.5 -13.7
1%ers 2.6 - 1.9
All about comparing like for like - great post al :thumbsup
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would it be fair to say that contested marks are the most crucial of stats, if taken singularly for a big man?
Grfiffiths averaged 1.6 in 2014, but that is not good enough.
tippet 1.8
petrie 1.8
sandilands 1.8
shultz 1.7
pavelich 1.7
cloke 1.6
walker 1.5
Nick Riewoldt 1.5
westoff 1.4
Jarryd Roughead 1.3
Jack Riewoldt 1.2
Hansen 1.2
dean cox 0.9
Scott Lycett 0.9
Scott Lycett, now theres a name that we have repeatedly been told we should get. how do his stats compare to Bens, having only 1 less year in the system (without the missed football due to injury)
grithiths v lycett
disp 9 - 12 (kicks 6.3 - 5.7)
marks 4.4 - 3.8
c marks 1.6 - 0.9
m i50 1.1 - 1
goals 0.8 - 1.1 (behinds 0.9 - 0.4)
goal assists 0.4 - 0.1
I 50s 2.3 - 1.7
h/o 7.5 -13.7
1%ers 2.6 - 1.9
Don't let truth get in the way of a claw rant! :lol :thumbsup
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Watch this space next year, both will grow another leg.
We don't need another Nahas :banghead
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would it be fair to say that contested marks are the most crucial of stats, if taken singularly for a big man?
Grfiffiths averaged 1.6 in 2014, but that is not good enough.
tippet 1.8
petrie 1.8
sandilands 1.8
shultz 1.7
pavelich 1.7
cloke 1.6
walker 1.5
Nick Riewoldt 1.5
westoff 1.4
Jarryd Roughead 1.3
Jack Riewoldt 1.2
Hansen 1.2
dean cox 0.9
Scott Lycett 0.9
Scott Lycett, now theres a name that we have repeatedly been told we should get. how do his stats compare to Bens, having only 1 less year in the system (without the missed football due to injury)
grithiths v lycett
disp 9 - 12 (kicks 6.3 - 5.7)
marks 4.4 - 3.8
c marks 1.6 - 0.9
m i50 1.1 - 1
goals 0.8 - 1.1 (behinds 0.9 - 0.4)
goal assists 0.4 - 0.1
I 50s 2.3 - 1.7
h/o 7.5 -13.7
1%ers 2.6 - 1.9
This looks fun, let's compare Griff to one of Claws other fav boys from over there in WA... Tom Lee. First of all Griff is 9 months younger and been in the system only a year longer and we all know games don't matter so I won't bother commenting on games played. Tom is a KPF fully not a part time ruck so we'll excuse the hit out stats.
Griff v Lee
Disposals 9.0 v 8.0
Marks 4.4 v 3.7
Goals 0.8 v 0.3 (Boy oh boy wowee, that's a bit of an advantage from the part time ruckman)
Behinds 0.9 v 0.3 (so more scoring shots, isn't that interesting?)
Goal assists 0.4 v 0 (tisk tisk Mr Lee looks like you never give it off and still manage less shots than BBBG)
Tackles 2.8 v 2.3
Inside 50's 2.3 v 1.3
Contested poss 5.1 v 3.7
Uncontested poss 4.4 v 4.7
Contested marks 1.6 v 0.7
Marks I50 1.1 v 1.0 (May not look like much but let's not forget who is and who's not the full time forward)
1% 2.6 v 2.0
And just for fun hit outs 7.5 v 1.0.
But let's trade Griff for Tom Lee we all know Claw doesn't get them wrong
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I take my hat off to Al and Yeahright.
Great work guys and it is refreshing to let the facts speak for themselves
:thumbsup
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Who needs facts when you have subjective bias?
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Fellas you do realise claw will hit back hard.....so man up quickly
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Fellas you do realise claw will hit back hard.....so man up quickly
My guess it will be a badly punctuated rambling rant that doesn't address the subject matter
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would it be fair to say that contested marks are the most crucial of stats, if taken singularly for a big man?
Grfiffiths averaged 1.6 in 2014, but that is not good enough.
tippet 1.8
petrie 1.8
sandilands 1.8
shultz 1.7
pavelich 1.7
cloke 1.6
walker 1.5
Nick Riewoldt 1.5
westoff 1.4
Jarryd Roughead 1.3
Jack Riewoldt 1.2
Hansen 1.2
dean cox 0.9
Scott Lycett 0.9
Scott Lycett, now theres a name that we have repeatedly been told we should get. how do his stats compare to Bens, having only 1 less year in the system (without the missed football due to injury)
grithiths v lycett
disp 9 - 12 (kicks 6.3 - 5.7)
marks 4.4 - 3.8
c marks 1.6 - 0.9
m i50 1.1 - 1
goals 0.8 - 1.1 (behinds 0.9 - 0.4)
goal assists 0.4 - 0.1
I 50s 2.3 - 1.7
h/o 7.5 -13.7
1%ers 2.6 - 1.9
This looks fun, let's compare Griff to one of Claws other fav boys from over there in WA... Tom Lee. First of all Griff is 9 months younger and been in the system only a year longer and we all know games don't matter so I won't bother commenting on games played. Tom is a KPF fully not a part time ruck so we'll excuse the hit out stats.
Griff v Lee
Disposals 9.0 v 8.0
Marks 4.4 v 3.7
Goals 0.8 v 0.3 (Boy oh boy wowee, that's a bit of an advantage from the part time ruckman)
Behinds 0.9 v 0.3 (so more scoring shots, isn't that interesting?)
Goal assists 0.4 v 0 (tisk tisk Mr Lee looks like you never give it off and still manage less shots than BBBG)
Tackles 2.8 v 2.3
Inside 50's 2.3 v 1.3
Contested poss 5.1 v 3.7
Uncontested poss 4.4 v 4.7
Contested marks 1.6 v 0.7
Marks I50 1.1 v 1.0 (May not look like much but let's not forget who is and who's not the full time forward)
1% 2.6 v 2.0
And just for fun hit outs 7.5 v 1.0.
But let's trade Griff for Tom Lee we all know Claw doesn't get them wrong
The really sad thing about the comparison is how close they are. And Tom Lee is a dud and plays for the worst side in the league.
I think you just backed Claws argument up with your post.
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would it be fair to say that contested marks are the most crucial of stats, if taken singularly for a big man?
Grfiffiths averaged 1.6 in 2014, but that is not good enough.
tippet 1.8
petrie 1.8
sandilands 1.8
shultz 1.7
pavelich 1.7
cloke 1.6
walker 1.5
Nick Riewoldt 1.5
westoff 1.4
Jarryd Roughead 1.3
Jack Riewoldt 1.2
Hansen 1.2
dean cox 0.9
Scott Lycett 0.9
Scott Lycett, now theres a name that we have repeatedly been told we should get. how do his stats compare to Bens, having only 1 less year in the system (without the missed football due to injury)
grithiths v lycett
disp 9 - 12 (kicks 6.3 - 5.7)
marks 4.4 - 3.8
c marks 1.6 - 0.9
m i50 1.1 - 1
goals 0.8 - 1.1 (behinds 0.9 - 0.4)
goal assists 0.4 - 0.1
I 50s 2.3 - 1.7
h/o 7.5 -13.7
1%ers 2.6 - 1.9
This looks fun, let's compare Griff to one of Claws other fav boys from over there in WA... Tom Lee. First of all Griff is 9 months younger and been in the system only a year longer and we all know games don't matter so I won't bother commenting on games played. Tom is a KPF fully not a part time ruck so we'll excuse the hit out stats.
Griff v Lee
Disposals 9.0 v 8.0
Marks 4.4 v 3.7
Goals 0.8 v 0.3 (Boy oh boy wowee, that's a bit of an advantage from the part time ruckman)
Behinds 0.9 v 0.3 (so more scoring shots, isn't that interesting?)
Goal assists 0.4 v 0 (tisk tisk Mr Lee looks like you never give it off and still manage less shots than BBBG)
Tackles 2.8 v 2.3
Inside 50's 2.3 v 1.3
Contested poss 5.1 v 3.7
Uncontested poss 4.4 v 4.7
Contested marks 1.6 v 0.7
Marks I50 1.1 v 1.0 (May not look like much but let's not forget who is and who's not the full time forward)
1% 2.6 v 2.0
And just for fun hit outs 7.5 v 1.0.
But let's trade Griff for Tom Lee we all know Claw doesn't get them wrong
I know Claw will pick you up on this crap you posted, I would hardly say he has been in the system only one year less than Biff. Didn't Tom play at Clarmont in 2010, '11 and '12?
Then played 2013 and 2014 at the Saints.
If you are going to try to be funny I would get your facts right first.
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Stats and other BS aside I look at Griffiths' year and I think he has the potential to be a good contributer on the field.
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I know Claw will pick you up on this crap you posted, I would hardly say he has been in the system only one year less than Biff. Didn't Tom play at Clarmont in 2010, '11 and '12?
Then played 2013 and 2014 at the Saints.
If you are going to try to be funny I would get your facts right first.
You know what, I did make a mistake. I saw he was drafted in 2008 but didn't realise he had a stint at Adelaide and got delisted :lol. Still keep my point though because it shows that Claws "systematic approach" to players doesn't mean he is right.
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I know Claw will pick you up on this crap you posted, I would hardly say he has been in the system only one year less than Biff. Didn't Tom play at Clarmont in 2010, '11 and '12?
Then played 2013 and 2014 at the Saints.
If you are going to try to be funny I would get your facts right first.
You know what, I did make a mistake. I saw he was drafted in 2008 but didn't realise he had a stint at Adelaide and got delisted :lol. Still keep my point though because it shows that Claws "systematic approach" to players doesn't mean he is right.
Schultz might be a better comparison?
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I know Claw will pick you up on this crap you posted, I would hardly say he has been in the system only one year less than Biff. Didn't Tom play at Clarmont in 2010, '11 and '12?
Then played 2013 and 2014 at the Saints.
If you are going to try to be funny I would get your facts right first.
You know what, I did make a mistake. I saw he was drafted in 2008 but didn't realise he had a stint at Adelaide and got delisted :lol. Still keep my point though because it shows that Claws "systematic approach" to players doesn't mean he is right.
Schultz might be a better comparison?
Wasn't he delisted too? Sorry, I meant traded away! :lol
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Ben improved out of sight this year, he really had no shot at it before then. Some of us can see the improvement and rate him, some cant, Some have painted themselves into a corner and arent comming out in a hurry. Lets all agree that it would be best for the RFC that the ones that see the improvement and potential are correct. I said before the year, any improvement from our list would come from the likes of Griffiths and Asbury. Watch this space next year, both will grow another leg.
dont think anyone has said he has not improved. the amount of improvement and exactly where hes at is being debated.out of sight i dont think so. that is an over the top statement.
im arguing hes gone from pee poor down right deplorable to barely passable in fact i would not give him a pass mark. but yes hes shown some improvement.its the sort of incremental improvement he should have been showing each yr.
ive said he needs to continue to improve and continue to improve a fair bit to become a good player.it was no coincidence that he was shopped around last yr. he showed just enough this yr to save himself. imo.
i watch him play and my eyes tell me he does nowhere near enough he goes missing for huge chunks and has no influence on games. all the stats back up exactly these things.
yet we get the excuse oh hes only played so many games what 35 ignoring hes had 5 yrs in an afl system and there has been damn good reasons other than injury as to why hes played so few games..its excuse making for what is ordinary performances. why people feel the need to make excuses for players is beyond me.
they are either at an acceptable level or they are not. griffeths is still nowhere near it despite some improvement. clearly the hope has to be he can improve some more.
i keep asking this about vickery it is the same for griffiths.
as a kpf what is you expect them to do well and consistently well. as a ruckman what do you expect them to do well and consistently well.
when i read things like ben improved out of sight this yr i shake my head in wonder. he improved some to get somewhere close to where he should be. but needs to improve a damn sight more.
dunno about others but backed up from my eyes after 5 yrs regardless of number of games
9 disposals is not good enough.especially for a bloke who gets freed up in games by getting a run in the ruck.
4 marks for a 200cm kpf is not good enough especially for a bloke who relies on marks to gain half of his possesions.
1 mark inside 50 per game is not good enough
1.5 contested mks a game for a bloke his size is not good enough.
o.75 goals a game is nowhere near enough for one of your kpfs.
7.5 h/o a game for your second ruck is not good enough.
i could do em all thats his stats in a lot of categories this yr. it just shows how far he has to go. my eyes tell me when i watch him play hes doing nowhere near enough and the stats back me up to the hilt.
5 yrs in fully developed physically and has been for the last 4 yrs he has at no stage in his career delivered anywhere near enough either at afl level or vfl level. yet people defend and defend to what end i have no idea perhaps ite the idea he has and is taking so long or the idea that maybe he wont make it. we all hope he becomes a good player but to just ignore how poor hes been is stupidity and putting your head in the sand.
Well "Your Eyes" might be telling you one thing but "My Eyes" like what they saw as far as progress from a 35 game player. Enjoy your corner, it must be a fun, happy and positive place.
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so everyone thinks ben is a very good afl player when not one thing backs that up. thats fine explains a lot about just how precious and deluded most on here are.
its not worth replying everyone thinks hes made it. everyone thinks hes at an afl level.
may as well go out and draft more like him. how about tom lee hes a dud right but not far off griffiths. but wait we got hamspud hes not too far off ben either.what about the other one on our list that a lot here praising griffiths are quite happy to see the back of in vickery. easily a better performer to date but hey its okay if we trade him out.
as i said you lot are in love with mediocrity and put em on pedestals before they have achieved a thing. im happy to cop the b/s because quite frankly i couldnt give a poo about your opinions i never have. im here to voice an opinion and i will damn well voice it weather you lot like it or not.
lol falling in love with a bloke who cant get a kick and cant kick a goal who quite simply seems as soft as butter mentally.its golden and expected.
im happy to sit back and cop the derision but you had better be prepared to put up with the criticisms i will just go harder.
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so everyone thinks ben is a very good afl player when not one thing backs that up. thats fine explains a lot about just how precious and deluded most on here are.
its not worth replying everyone thinks hes made it. everyone thinks hes at an afl level.
may as well go out and draft more like him. how about tom lee hes a dud right but not far off griffiths. but wait we got hamspud hes not too far off ben either.what about the other one on our list that a lot here praising griffiths are quite happy to see the back of in vickery. easily a better performer to date but hey its okay if we trade him out.
as i said you lot are in love with mediocrity and put em on pedestals before they have achieved a thing. im happy to cop the b/s because quite frankly i couldnt give a poo about your opinions i never have. im here to voice an opinion and i will damn well voice it weather you lot like it or not.
lol falling in love with a bloke who cant get a kick and cant kick a goal who quite simply seems as soft as butter mentally.its golden and expected.
im happy to sit back and cop the derision but you had better be prepared to put up with the criticisms i will just go harder.
Rubbish claw.
Not many are saying he is a very good AFL player. However, many see the potential of becoming a good AFL player. If you can't see it, but see more in a dud like Tom Lee then you need to see an optometrist.
The guy is improving and in the last few games in the year played an important role in the victories. Sure he's been in the system 5 years. The first two were injury riddled and the third was played out of position down back. In 2013 he was poor but improved so much this year that he won the club's most improved player award.
Bloody hell, guys like Choco Williams can see it (spoke to him at the B&F) so I don't care if you don't.
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I would like the stats gurus to gather the first 5 years of Sam Reid versus Ben Griffiths please ....
Just for comparison review & analysis.
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Snip! >:(
Cut out the personal insults, baiting and all the infighting crap :banghead and get back to discussing the topic. That goes for all threads.
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I would like the stats gurus to gather the first 5 years of Sam Reid versus Ben Griffiths please ....
Just for comparison review & analysis.
Here you go DT. Both picked up in the 2009 draft.
Stats comparison: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=17&pid1=3381&tid2=15&pid2=3332&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=17&pid1=3381&tid2=15&pid2=3332&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C)
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Snip! >:(
Cut out the personal insults, baiting and all the infighting crap :banghead and get back to discussing the topic. That goes for all threads.
LOL >:(
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I would like the stats gurus to gather the first 5 years of Sam Reid versus Ben Griffiths please ....
Just for comparison review & analysis.
Here you go DT. Both picked up in the 2009 draft.
Stats comparison: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=17&pid1=3381&tid2=15&pid2=3332&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=17&pid1=3381&tid2=15&pid2=3332&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C)
Griffiths' stats from 2014 are better than Reids!
Hahaha!
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they are also not too far behind one of the premier big men in hawkins stats at five years, specially if you take into account hawking had played 90 odd games. probably the biggest difference would be contested marks, although he averaged 1.6 contested marks in 2013, which as we know is unacceptable
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I would like the stats gurus to gather the first 5 years of Sam Reid versus Ben Griffiths please ....
Just for comparison review & analysis.
Here you go DT. Both picked up in the 2009 draft.
Stats comparison: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=17&pid1=3381&tid2=15&pid2=3332&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=17&pid1=3381&tid2=15&pid2=3332&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C)
Griffiths' stats from 2014 are better than Reids!
Hahaha!
The point I was making earlier was that Jay Schultz in his first 6 years was no better statistically than BBG and we all know what has happened subsequently.
In fact, I'd back Benny Gales first 5 years to be no better either before having a great career.
Vision, faith, development and a willingness to apply talent are a potent mix between club and player.
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lol no where have i said he hasnt improved. what i have said is to date hes not at afl level that hes gone from horrid to not quite there.i asked if with his performances and stats if he won the most improved what did the juniors and other battlers do. they must have been horrid.
yet a posse of posters get their backs up because the truth is being spoken.
ben has just one attribute to hang a hat on atm and boy have people latched onto it with their hot little hands. its like a life line.c/m he takes 1.5 a game and that is not good enough.
lets talk marks then shall we.
4.4 a game it isnt enough its never been enough. needs to improve in this. 1mark i50 for a kpf its a pitiful return and explains why riewoldt is always double and triple teamed.
ah the hat hanger 1.5 c/m how many c/m s are inside 50, i dont have that stat but my eyes say very few.but hey its close to other fwds so lets hang our hat on this one eh.
while we hang our hat on c/ps lets ignore all the other stats hes lousy in which is most. he has so many areas he has to be better in to become a decent player it is not funny.
but dont anyone dare focus on this its un richmond like.
i did a post on sam read a few days ago. said hes not worth chasing and very over rated to date and has little substance to his game atm. bit like griffiths eh.
at least someone around here is consistent.
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lol no where have i said he hasnt improved. what i have said is to date hes not at afl level that hes gone from horrid to not quite there.i asked if with his performances and stats if he won the most improved what did the juniors and other battlers do. they must have been horrid.
yet a posse of posters get their backs up because the truth is being spoken.
Who do you think improved more than him? Please give one or two names with tops a succinct description of why. No rambling that doesn't answer the question and instead takes a different tangent mixed in with some insults
while we hang our hat on c/ps lets ignore all the other stats hes lousy in which is most. he has so many areas he has to be better in to become a decent player it is not funny.
but dont anyone dare focus on this its un richmond like.
I think you should read my posts a few pages back, you aren't the first to focus on the need for improvement.
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lol no where have i said he hasnt improved. what i have said is to date hes not at afl level that hes gone from horrid to not quite there.i asked if with his performances and stats if he won the most improved what did the juniors and other battlers do. they must have been horrid.
yet a posse of posters get their backs up because the truth is being spoken.
ben has just one attribute to hang a hat on atm and boy have people latched onto it with their hot little hands. its like a life line.c/m he takes 1.5 a game and that is not good enough.
lets talk marks then shall we.
4.4 a game it isnt enough its never been enough. needs to improve in this. 1mark i50 for a kpf its a pitiful return and explains why riewoldt is always double and triple teamed.
ah the hat hanger 1.5 c/m how many c/m s are inside 50, i dont have that stat but my eyes say very few.but hey its close to other fwds so lets hang our hat on this one eh.
while we hang our hat on c/ps lets ignore all the other stats hes lousy in which is most. he has so many areas he has to be better in to become a decent player it is not funny.
but dont anyone dare focus on this its un richmond like.
i did a post on sam read a few days ago. said hes not worth chasing and very over rated to date and has little substance to his game atm. bit like griffiths eh.
at least someone around here is consistent.
So you agre he has improved. Draw a graph and you will see that this improvement will more than likely continue. We will have a very versatile 200cm player who has a unique set of skills playing for us. WTF is wrong with that?
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lol no where have i said he hasnt improved. what i have said is to date hes not at afl level that hes gone from horrid to not quite there.i asked if with his performances and stats if he won the most improved what did the juniors and other battlers do. they must have been horrid.
yet a posse of posters get their backs up because the truth is being spoken.
ben has just one attribute to hang a hat on atm and boy have people latched onto it with their hot little hands. its like a life line.c/m he takes 1.5 a game and that is not good enough.
lets talk marks then shall we.
4.4 a game it isnt enough its never been enough. needs to improve in this. 1mark i50 for a kpf its a pitiful return and explains why riewoldt is always double and triple teamed.
ah the hat hanger 1.5 c/m how many c/m s are inside 50, i dont have that stat but my eyes say very few.but hey its close to other fwds so lets hang our hat on this one eh.
while we hang our hat on c/ps lets ignore all the other stats hes lousy in which is most. he has so many areas he has to be better in to become a decent player it is not funny.
but dont anyone dare focus on this its un richmond like.
i did a post on sam read a few days ago. said hes not worth chasing and very over rated to date and has little substance to his game atm. bit like griffiths eh.
at least someone around here is consistent.
ben reid won aa chb
and i dont think sam reid is a 100% different player...
reid>chaplin
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Tall Tiger trimming down for new aerobic role
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
January 28, 2015 5:14 PM
RICHMOND forward Ben Griffiths is training for a new role up the ground in 2015 as he looks to build on the most encouraging period of his short career.
Griffiths, who impressed in the final six games of the Tigers' season last year, has taken momentum into this pre-season, stripping weight and building his engine.
The 23-year-old was a regular inside-50 target last year, leading Richmond for contested marks, but he managed just 12 goals in 16 games.
He is preparing for a changed role in 2015, which could allow him to utilise his aerial strengths more often.
"This season I'm going to be playing a bit higher up the ground, so I just need to increase my aerobic capacity," Griffiths told the club's website.
"I feel like I'm moving a lot better than I was last year. I've lost a bit of weight so my mobility is a bit higher.
"I was playing at 104kg last year, which I needed, but I think the way the game's going and the role that I'm playing, I needed to lose a bit and run a bit better."
Griffith's improved mobility will also help him in the ruck, where he was regularly used as a back-up option last season.
As a tall forward, he will again be in competition with Tyrone Vickery, whose four-game suspension opened the door for Griffith's return to the team in round 19 last year.
"Although we're fighting for the spot we're helping each other to get better," Griffiths said.
"We all want the club to succeed and the best way of doing that is for us to get better … the competition for talls especially is really good."
Roughly half of Richmond's list, including Griffiths and Vickery, took part in the final time trial of their pre-season at Princes Park on Wednesday.
Griffiths said it was a relief to get the 3km test out of the way and move into more match-based training.
"We've all got a bit of a taste for it … we've started some 13-on-13 [games] in the last couple of weeks and that's been really good," he said.
"Now we can get stuck into the football phase and start playing some intra-club games."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-28/tall-tiger-trimming-down
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:lol
relief to get a 3km time trial out of the way? :nopity
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Think he meant the pre season running..
Griffiths showed a lot of promise in the back half of last season but he's still got a lot of work ahead of him.
I don't think I've seen him look fitter or hungrier since he's been at the club.
Break out season ahead methinks..
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Will be like a new recruit
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Will be like a new recruit
The way we're going we are going to have a team of new recruits! :lol
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:facepalm
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Because he was looking fat? lol
Surely this means Jack will stay forward while Griffiths runs up the wings to help with the rebounding.
And then I suppose Vickery will be staying in the F50 too.
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He couldn't really use his weight anyway. Wrong move imo
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He needs the stamina to play forward and then run all the way back just to take the kick-ins then run up forward again and also play 2nd/3rd ruck.
Seriously though, like many, I often fall into that "should play on the wing like Richo" trap with certain talls (Riewoldt, McBean, and in particular, Vickery)...until I remember what an absolute freak Richo was athletically and aerobically and that not many blokes his size apart from other freaks like Franklin could probably do what he did in 2008.(and I say that as someone who wasn't a raving Richo fanboy over the journey.)
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He hasn't ever had the stamina to get to enough contests. If this helps him pump the ball inside 50 on more occasions it will increasing our scoring potential
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His ability to take a contested mark is a real strength. The more contests he gets to the better. Would rather Griff play further up the ground than Jack. It opens up the forward line for Jack.
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He couldn't really use his weight anyway. Wrong move imo
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Guaranteed to be a huge success then :)
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Which player from your club will cut a different shape in 2015?
Ben Broad
Herald-Sun
March 03, 2015 10:01AM
ANOTHER pre-season is coming to an end with footy fans casting their eyes on their favourite stars for the first time over the coming weeks.
With pre-season matches now under way, the NAB Challenge means players will put the weight and running sessions behind them.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the fence, fans will get to see the fruit of their stars’ long, arduous summers — not only with how their players perform but with how they look.
The transformation in players from one season to another can sometimes, especially with youngsters, be pronounced.
SuperFooty has been scouting every AFL club as to which man has made the biggest transformation to his body over the summer.
So here’s who may catch the eye in coming weeks:
RICHMOND — BEN GRIFFITHS
Griffiths started to believe and belong at the top level in 2014, showing he’s more than a one-trick pony. While his booming right leg has wowed the Tiger faithful, footy fans may also notice a leaner key forward this season. The benefit? Look for Griffiths to get up and down the ground in better time and more frequently in 2015, which can only make him a tougher opponent for anyone who crosses him.
The official AFL Season Guide lists Ben Griffiths at 101kg in 2015, as opposed to 102kg a year ago.
http://www.news.com.au/national/which-player-from-your-club-will-cut-a-different-shape-in-2015/story-e6frfkp9-1227244687088
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lol a whole 1 kg?
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Must've had a haircut....
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.....or a good dump
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1kg LMFAO.
Does his mean that nobody put any weight ON?
Seriously if any midfielder put on 1kg it would be proportionally more weight than Griffiths lost and therefore technically a bigger 'change'. Surely somebody like Lennon found a few KG's...?
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Thanks Jenny Craig :thumbsup
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That 1 kilo will allow to play more around the ground
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1kg LMFAO.
Does his mean that nobody put any weight ON?
Seriously if any midfielder put on 1kg it would be proportionally more weight than Griffiths lost and therefore technically a bigger 'change'. Surely somebody like Lennon found a few KG's...?
Lost 5kg fat put on 4kg muscle
Most of us do it the other way around
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good call
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1kg LMFAO.
Does his mean that nobody put any weight ON?
Seriously if any midfielder put on 1kg it would be proportionally more weight than Griffiths lost and therefore technically a bigger 'change'. Surely somebody like Lennon found a few KG's...?
Lost 5kg fat put on 4kg muscle
Most of us do it the other way around
How were his skinfolds at the end of 2014? lol
You'd think he was a tall Conca...
Still, I hope you're right!
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so we are going to compare the bum to hawkins. lets see what do we expect from griffiths in yr 6 if we are to compare.after all theres those who are super keen to compare when it suits.
at least 60 goals, 13 disposals, 6.5 marks a game, 2.5 contested marks, with close enough to 4 marks inside 50. that will do for now.
i realise this will be a massive jump from from his current
12 goals, 9 disposals, 4.5 marks, 1.5 contested marks and 1 mark inside 50 ratio that he turned out last yr which was by far and away his best ever season and what a season it was lol.it compares rather favoroubly to hawkins first yr.
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I'd like 70 goals
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comparisons to johnno brown or wayne carey would be more apt i think
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70 goals please.
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I would be happy with 60 goals with an average 27 hit outs per game. ;D
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I would be happy with 60 goals with an average 27 hit outs per game. ;D
Maybe some of those hit outs could be to himself and he could kick a few goals from 75 metres out
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I'd like him to run 20kms per game, mark his own kick out or his inside 50 so he can add some versitility to his game.
He also neither gets enough hit outs or taps to advantage - particularly when roving his own ruck work.
I also cannot work out why he isn't getting enough contested marks - particularly to his inside 50 kicks. He needs to kick the ball higher in order to drop it on his own head
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If he hasn't broken Pratt & Hudson's record by round 12 he should be out the door so we can elevate Soldo.
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Is Soldo over 200cm, if so we need to consider carefully as there is credible proof out there that 200+ cm dudes can not be successful AFL players
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Is Soldo over 200cm, if so we need to consider carefully as there is credible proof out there that 200+ cm dudes can not be successful AFL players
:lol
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I would be happy with 60 goals with an average 27 hit outs per game. ;D
Maybe some of those hit outs could be to himself and he could kick a few goals from 75 metres out
If only Dimma could think out the square like this
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Anyone know how Ben is going injury wise, I have heard he is having shoulder trouble, although it's minor.
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Anyone know how Ben is going injury wise, I have heard he is having shoulder trouble, although it's minor.
I expect Griffiths to play this week
Have said all along I expect this weeks NAB side to be as close to our round 1 team as possible, only exception IMO will be Cotchin. Can't see him playing this week
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Anyone know how Ben is going injury wise, I have heard he is having shoulder trouble, although it's minor.
I expect Griffiths to play this week
Have said all along I expect this weeks NAB side to be as close to our round 1 team as possible, only exception IMO will be Cotchin. Can't see him playing this week
So has he had injury concerns, if he does play do you think he will replace Ty or will they rest Ivan?
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Anyone know how Ben is going injury wise, I have heard he is having shoulder trouble, although it's minor.
I expect Griffiths to play this week
Have said all along I expect this weeks NAB side to be as close to our round 1 team as possible, only exception IMO will be Cotchin. Can't see him playing this week
So has he had injury concerns, if he does play do you think he will replace Ty or will they rest Ivan?
I am not aware of any injury concerns
Reckon Ivan will play and Ty ..well who knows
I just don't think we can play Griffiths & Vickery in the same side, it just doesn't work IMHO
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Ok, well let's hope there is no concerns and he plays.
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Anyone know how Ben is going injury wise, I have heard he is having shoulder trouble, although it's minor.
I expect Griffiths to play this week
Have said all along I expect this weeks NAB side to be as close to our round 1 team as possible, only exception IMO will be Cotchin. Can't see him playing this week
So has he had injury concerns, if he does play do you think he will replace Ty or will they rest Ivan?
I am not aware of any injury concerns
Reckon Ivan will play and Ty ..well who knows
I just don't think we can play Griffiths & Vickery i the same side, it just doesn't work IMHO
Most of the time they played together we were missing Ivan in the ruck so that already is unfair as substituting him for Hampson is like a 100kg handicap in the Cup!
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A super-lean Ben Griffiths is ready to slot straight into the Tigers' forward structure.
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Wow he has leaned out, wonder if his speed has improved as a result, looks in great shape.
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I feel he's not conditioned enough to play round 1. Will be TV
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I feel he's not conditioned enough to play round 1. Will be TV
Well there we have it - the expert assessment from Phil Burgess....
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Looks like he has lost at least 1kg
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Looks like he's thickened up in the thighs, where it counts most, which is great to see.
Good luck to him.
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Looks like he's thickened up in the thighs, where it counts most, which is great to see.
Good luck to him.
Should be able to kick 75m + then
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Looks like he's thickened up in the thighs, where it counts most, which is great to see.
Good luck to him.
Should be able to kick 75m + then
80m +, 30 hit outs and average 4 goals per game!
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Looks like he's thickened up in the thighs, where it counts most, which is great to see.
Good luck to him.
Should be able to kick 75m + then
80m +, 30 hit outs and average 4 goals per game!
Yeah sounds good
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I hope we give Griffiths a licence to just go for goal if in range. Get him in the habit of kicking through the ball no matter how close or far out. He could have kicked at least 3 today instead of 1.3 if he stuck to the same kicking action even when closer to goal.
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should be told every kick = 50m MINUMUM!
not sure he knows how to read the game, needing a SuperGoal in the dying minutes, he's 60-65 out and chips it short & turns it over...... i don't know...
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One day he will be a gun. But he probably will never get there
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should be told every kick = 50m MINUMUM!
not sure he knows how to read the game, needing a SuperGoal in the dying minutes, he's 60-65 out and chips it short & turns it over...... i don't know...
Supergoals don't apply in real footy - really confident he was applying team rules and it didn't come off.
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still should have had a shot though.
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Only if there is a team rule saying to. Happy with them having a licence to make a call in play and he did just that.
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just needs to line himself up properly at goal and kick through the footy and he'll kick 50 goals in a season from CHF
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Griffiths' interview post-match yesterday ....
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-03-22/preseason-round-3-griffiths-postmatch
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Should have had a set shot 3 min to go 60 out, don't stuff around , kick it
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should be told every kick = 50m MINUMUM!
not sure he knows how to read the game, needing a SuperGoal in the dying minutes, he's 60-65 out and chips it short & turns it over...... i don't know...
That's more a sign of clueless coaches stuffing up his original game and inadvertently stealing his confidence.
stuffn assholes.
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I hope we give Griffiths a licence to just go for goal if in range. Get him in the habit of kicking through the ball no matter how close or far out. He could have kicked at least 3 today instead of 1.3 if he stuck to the same kicking action even when closer to goal.
I'm a believer of a different kind of kick for different distances so I disagree on changing his routine just to make it consistent
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sometimes, you have to say stuff the team rules and take the game by the scruff of the neck to win it. Your brain has to switch on, feel how the tide flows, and without panicking make a constructive decision, not act out a set of commands like a stuffing robot.
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sometimes, you have to say stuff the team rules and take the game by the scruff of the neck to win it. Your brain has to switch on, feel how the tide flows, and without panicking make a constructive decision, not act out a set of commands like a stuffing robot.
Good point.
Problem is this bloke always thinks he's in the gun so he's probably jumpy about rolling the dice.
I bet Newman would've had a shot
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I reckon he knew he didn't have the leg and didn't want to put it on the line so they could punch it through and get the footy back.
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Griffiths' interview post-match yesterday ....
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-03-22/preseason-round-3-griffiths-postmatch
* It was really good to get back out there and have a really good hit-out. I thought I moved pretty well. I got my hands on it a lot, I was just that last sort of one percent, I just needed to clunk them. But I was really pleased with getting to the contest and getting my hands on it a bit. I just need to kick some more goals. I started to slow down towards the end, but expected that, being the first game I’ve really had in a while. So, took some positives out of it. I just need to finish my work and hopefully I can put a really good foot forward for Round 1.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-23/big-bens-timely-display
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If he clunked the ones he should have and kicked more accurately he would of been in for a big haul
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High hopes for him this year has to take the next step now more involvement looks lean and fitter.
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wouldn't be surprised if he kicks 4 sausage rolls tonight :thumbsup
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hmm what should we expect from this bloke on a consistent basis. anyone.
how many marks inside 50.
how many c/m and how many of em inside 50.
how many goals
how many 1%ers
how many tackles
how many crashed packs
how many h/o
how many disposals.
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hmm what should we expect from this bloke on a consistent basis. anyone.
how many marks inside 50.
how many c/m and how many of em inside 50.
how many goals
how many 1%ers
how many tackles
how many crashed packs
how many h/o
how many disposals.
That all depends on how many goals he kicks. If he say kicks 10 goals, I wouldn't care if he only had 10 disposals, 10 marks (contested or uncontested).
Of course if he kicks no goals you would want him to influence the game more.
Franklin last year averaged 3.6 goals with 17 disposals and 3 tackles. He didn't ruck at all though but did take 2.3 contested marks and almost had a goal assist a game.
When Matthew Pavlich became AA-CHF in 2005, he averaged 3 goals also but 17 disposals, 1.1 tackles. I couldn't retrieve data on goal assists and contesteted marks though.
Is Benny G going to be in AA CHF form overnight? No. But seeing as we need a second forward option ASAP, I'd be happy with him helping out JR with 2-3 goals and taking the clutch marks in CHB or CHF.
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If he kicked 5 goals and had 5 disposals and 3 marks - is that good? I would have thought so.
If he kicks no goals but has 20 disposals and 8 marks is that good? I would have thought so too.
It just shows that if you don't contribute in one area then you must in another.
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I reckon Benny G will have a big year. He knows that Ty is maligned by many and he has a massive chance of being a big dog of the tiger faithful.
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If he kicked 5 goals and had 5 disposals and 3 marks - is that good? I would have thought so.
If he kicks no goals but has 20 disposals and 8 marks is that good? I would have thought so too.
It just shows that if you don't contribute in one area then you must in another.
not sure i agree you need to consistently contribute in all areas. take vickery ave 2 goals a game last yr its about where you want your 2nd kpf to be. yet vickery copped plenty of criticism simply because most other areas were not where they should be.does kicking a few cheap goals save your game?? not imo.
lets see griffiths kicks 5 of which 3 are sodas he makes little contribution in any other area imo hes had a poor game. they are not there just to kick goals.
your second scenario would mean a good game especially if 3 or 4 of those disposals result in team mates scoring. continually hitting packs and good work rate presenting etc chasing tackling have to be a part of a tall fwds game all the time. yep there will be games when they dont kick a goal and dont get much ball but these things means they contribute in a way.
riewoldt in the wider footy community isnt rtaed elite despite kicking 60 odd goals a yr for what 4 or 5 yrs in a row. hes not rated because a lot of games if you took the goals away he would be a spectator. imo there are some areas of jacks game that really need to improve.
our talls will have plenty of days where they wont kick goals, that wont matter if they have rounded games and contribute in areas they really should contribute in.
for me to call griffiths a good footballer the following needs to become the norm.
5 - 6 marks a game minimum. a 200cm bloke who is reliant at marking the ball for ben this has to happen.
15 disposals a game. not a big ask from a bloke who plays high fwd and is released into the ruck. he needs to be more involved and he needs to become a constant reliable source to goal.its an area that he has to improve a fair bit.
1 - 2 c/m a game. stats would suggest this a big ask but imo its not, not for the second stringer who has the lesser key defenders on him. and hes got a bit of freedom and good runs at the ball when in the ruck.
2 goals a game he needs to boot around 40 - 45 a yr. id expect this from any kpf.
2 marks inside 50 a game. to give himself a chance at 2 goals a game this will have to happen.
h/o dependent on the time he spends in the ruck and the opponent. no reason why he cant take h/o in the 50m arc either a good way of easing the load on ivan.
1% and tackles. hes actually pretty close to where he needs to be. he does tackle, reckon he could hit a few more packs than he does, and he needs to block shepherd knock on the ball and present a bit more but not to bad to date. they are small things but are things that keep him in the game and making a contribution even if he doesnt get the ball.
he needs to do all this and more consistently. he has a long way to go in many of those areas.
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had a decent first half i was praying he would maintain the standard but alas he dropped away again. has to find consistency thru games,
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Yep went missing, disappointing. Glad he jagged 3 but really should have been 4+.
Good signs though certainly not losing his spot to Vicks.
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In Griff we trust.........
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Clunked a few. Already better than Ty.
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Clunked a few. Already better than Ty.
thats not saying a lot now is it.
i still think he did his best work onball. he sure is a bastard to watch hes always tantalising and showing glimpses but he just cant put it together for a whole game. is he un fit because he just drops away is it an aerobic problem.
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He's just stupid.
Like lids.
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Clunked a few. Already better than Ty.
thats not saying a lot now is it.
i still think he did his best work onball. he sure is a bastard to watch hes always tantalising and showing glimpses but he just cant put it together for a whole game. is he un fit because he just drops away is it an aerobic problem.
Claw did you complain when the MCG dropped it's food prices?
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Sorry craw can't hear you, too busy celebrating winning.
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Sorry craw can't hear you, too busy celebrating winning.
dont worry son im celebrating beating that lot. how dare you imply i wouldnt be. thing is winning ordinary games doesnt cloud my judgement. the simple truth is he fell away badly in the second half. the exact same type of thing hes been guilty of all his career.
to be honest im used to the sugar coating that comes from blokes like you. you will be the first one kicking him next week if we lose and he drops off like tonight.
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Sorry craw can't hear you, too busy celebrating winning.
oh by the way its claw. ive just been suspended for having a go back at childish insults. be warned to not be suspended again get it right because i will repiort it back to the mods.
id rather return fire with fire but you arent worth the hassle.
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Sorry craw can't hear you, too busy celebrating winning.
dont worry son im celebrating beating that lot. how dare you imply i wouldnt be. thing is winning ordinary games doesnt cloud my judgement. the simple truth is he fell away badly in the second half. the exact same type of thing hes been guilty of all his career.
to be honest im used to the sugar coating that comes from blokes like you. you will be the first one kicking him next week if we lose and he drops off like tonight.
Im not.
Couldn't give a stuff.
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Unbelievable, did anyone notice the good work he did in the ruck as well as his forward work - Oh well OMHO I thought he played a very good game for a big bloke and made Carlton honest as they couldn't double team Jack.
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Oh, I like griff.
Just not excited over the win.
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Unbelievable, did anyone notice the good work he did in the ruck as well as his forward work - Oh well OMHO I thought he played a very good game for a big bloke and made Carlton honest as they couldn't double team Jack.
Yes I did.
Was good, made contests and puts in 2nd efforts
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Great game by Griffiths. Only played one NAB game and is slowly getting touch.
Weapon.
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Can Tyrone make it as the ruckman post Maric? Will he be happy to wait around that long? Geelong will offer us pick #3 so it should not matter. :gotigers
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Great game by Griffiths. Only played one NAB game and is slowly getting touch.
Weapon.
That's the prognosis I have too Doc. :thumbsup
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wouldn't be surprised if he kicks 4 sausage rolls tonight :thumbsup
should have kicked 4 but of he kicks 3 a game Ill be very happy for him. He is coming along really well. Vickery is in trouble if he thinks he'll play ahead of Griffiths.
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wouldn't be surprised if he kicks 4 sausage rolls tonight :thumbsup
should have kicked 4 but of he kicks 3 a game Ill be very happy for him. He is coming along really well. Vickery is in trouble if he thinks he'll play ahead of Griffiths.
I'd add we are in trouble if Vickery plays ahead of Griffiths. Poles apart.
Need to play Griff week in week out and adds a chop out in the ruck. :thumbsup
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Had a hand in nearly all our first 5 goals and as such was a big part us staying in the game. Sure he dropped off but still competed hard in the ruck and any marking contests. Hard to critize that performance
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Griff is the man. Kicked 3. Strong overhead mark. Can play roaming chf with perpetrating kick.
See you later Viceroy
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Very good but he must takes the marks he flies for or just crash the pack going for the mark instead of trying to fly and missing all together. Very good though.
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If Griffiths plays like this every week he will be AA
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Had a hand in nearly all our first 5 goals and as such was a big part us staying in the game. Sure he dropped off but still competed hard in the ruck and any marking contests. Hard to critize that performance
spot on ft, as his conditioning improves that 2nd half drop off will become less pronounced
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If he'd just snagged that one shot he missed it would have been the difference for me between a reasonable game and a pretty damned good one.
Can't miss opportunities like that.
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Unbelievable, did anyone notice the good work he did in the ruck as well as his forward work - Oh well OMHO I thought he played a very good game for a big bloke and made Carlton honest as they couldn't double team Jack.
Yes I did.
Was good, made contests and puts in 2nd efforts
Was chalk and cheese compared to the effort I would have expected from Vickery. I reckon he's putting a lot of daylight between himself and Vickery in terms of being first picked for the role and with more continuity and exposure I think he has a lot of upside.
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Coincidently his 'drop off' occurred when he had to help out Maric in the ruck later in the game. I reckon as the season progresses, and both Maric and Griffiths become more accustomed to game time and running out matches, we will see him sitting deep for longer and offer up more of what we saw early last night. He'll start to dominate games late as well, is a beast of a bloke.
Barring injury he should be played for all 22 games + finals this year. I don't care if he has the occasional stinker, TV should not be seen over this bloke, ever, period.
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I would like him playing exclusively at CHF as that is where he looks most comfortable and where he can have the biggest impact.
I'm still hoping Vickery can be that spare parts kpp which alternates between forward and ruck.
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If Griffiths plays like this every week he will be AA
If he plays like that every week he'll kick 70 goals for the year, and I'll tell you what, that would be just about enough for me to turn for him
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If Griffiths plays like this every week he will be AA
If he plays like that every week he'll kick 70 goals for the year, and I'll tell you what, that would be just about enough for me to turn for him
The daylight between Griff and Vickery is expansive and getting bigger by the game.
Griff has become real important to our structure and a key cog in our wheel.
It's small steps now but the strides are getting bigger by the game little by little for now.
Will have a 5 or 6 goal game this year mark it down. :thumbsup
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Played a good game. It will make Vickery perform harder & the battle of the big men will continue. That is exactly what is needed down at Tigerland. Just like the Roach, Cloke, Taylor, Jackson, Lane era of the 80's. Big men win flags :gotigers
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is this the time for the haters to come forward or do we wait until mid season.
FWIW i still have hopes for vickery. Anyone know how many years vickery has left?
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is this the time for the haters to come forward or do we wait until mid season.
FWIW i still have hopes for vickery. Anyone know how many years vickery has left?
Vickery is only a young fella who has 7 or more years left
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who will ruck after maric?
tyrone would be excellent depth if he can be retained
chances are he will crack the sads if he doesnt play this year much and pee off
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Good match.
who will ruck after maric?
tyrone would be excellent depth if he can be retained
chances are he will crack the sads if he doesnt play this year much and pee off
Agree.
Vickery is a ruckman.
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If Griffiths plays like this every week he will be AA
If he plays like that every week he'll kick 70 goals for the year, and I'll tell you what, that would be just about enough for me to turn for him
The daylight between Griff and Vickery is expansive and getting bigger by the game.
Griff has become real important to our structure and a key cog in our wheel.
It's small steps now but the strides are getting bigger by the game little by little for now.
Will have a 5 or 6 goal game this year mark it down. :thumbsup
could be next week if he gets a hold of the bulldogs defence.
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is this the time for the haters to come forward or do we wait until mid season.
FWIW i still have hopes for vickery. Anyone know how many years vickery has left?
Vickery is only a young fella who has 7 or more years left
years left in his contract i meant?
Think he should be given at least another year after this to prove himself.
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is this the time for the haters to come forward or do we wait until mid season.
FWIW i still have hopes for vickery. Anyone know how many years vickery has left?
Vickery is only a young fella who has 7 or more years left
years left in his contract i meant?
Think he should be given at least another year after this to prove himself.
Is contracted until the end of 2016
See
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=20680.msg457186#msg457186
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thats enough time to persist with and probably too generous in fact. His cause is only helped due to our lack of depth in the forward line.
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thats enough time to persist with and probably too generous in fact. His cause is only helped due to our lack of depth in the forward line.
what more do you want? I think he is going really well, i would think plenty of clubs would take him, ffs he is a tiger, is mobile, can take a grab, can kick goals, if we wanted to recruit a CHF, without paying millions...and i leave myself open here... Who else would you want?? We have been patient with Ben, grooming him nicely, he will improve with seniors game time, i would be signing him up for for 2 years if his contract was due. He is ++++> vickery IMHO
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Quite a few fans were quaking in their boots when it was rumoured at one point that he may not renew his contract, i think a lot of people know that the talent is definitely there and that with the bigger bodied players they do take that much longer to mature. Would be nothing worse to have lost him given the investment of time the club has made with him, in my mind he is now providing some reward for that time and if he can maintain some consistency therefore gaining self confidence in the process then i think his very best is something to look forward to in the next few seasons to come.
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thats enough time to persist with and probably too generous in fact. His cause is only helped due to our lack of depth in the forward line.
what more do you want? I think he is going really well, i would think plenty of clubs would take him, ffs he is a tiger, is mobile, can take a grab, can kick goals, if we wanted to recruit a CHF, without paying millions...and i leave myself open here... Who else would you want?? We have been patient with Ben, grooming him nicely, he will improve with seniors game time, i would be signing him up for for 2 years if his contract was due. He is ++++> vickery IMHO
Pretty sure angus was talking about vickerys contract not Griff
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Sorry mint should have been clearer
TM is right I was talking about Vickery. No issues with Griffiths
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Sorry mint should have been clearer
TM is right I was talking about Vickery. No issues with Griffiths
no problemos, i think TV,s time at rfc is done, trade him, no ifs buts or maybeeeees
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Cotch talking about Griffo on SEN:
* It was a great game for Ben’s confidence. He took some really good marks and finished his work off accordingly which is what we’ve been looking for out of our key forwards. It was really important for Ben to step up and play that role for us because not only does he play that key forward role, he also gives big Ivan a chop-out in the ruck which is really beneficial for him especially as the year goes on.
* We think he’s got a lot to offer from a talent point of view. He’s done a lot of work on his body making sure that it’s fit to play and it’s strong enough in the contest. We’re just looking for him taking big steps forward every week and hopefully he has a really consistent year for us.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-07/griffiths-grows-in-confidence
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Progressing well. Still needs to pluck a few more contested marks but his upside is still there. Exciting times.
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I think Benny G is on the right trajectory. It took Nick Riewoldt until his 4th season (with two full 22 game seasons prior) before he cracked 50 goals a season. Franklin needed consistent game time as well to find his feet.
I have faith in Benny G and I strongly feel natural improvement will come as weeks go by. With the Dogs next, Lions afterwards, then the Demons, I think this is a good run of games for us to properly assess the progress of Big Ben
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Can Ben Griffiths fill the hole in Richmond's attack?
Garry Lyon
The Age
April 10, 2015 - 12:50PM
Richmond aren't going to seriously contend for a premiership unless they provide Jack Riewoldt with a legitimate, tall, key-position running mate in the forward half of the ground.
Damien Hardwick has tried to share the scoring load as best he can, given the resources at his disposal, to the point that Riewoldt has spent increasing amounts of time as anything but their focal point when they go forward.
But, as was proved again in the opening round of the season, Jack is at his most dangerous when he is roaming the forward 50 and hitting the scoreboard. The fact that he got support from Sam Lloyd was encouraging, and Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Shane Edwards and Dustin Martin will all make meaningful contributions along the way, but the most encouraging sign to come out of the win over Carlton was the continued emergence of Ben Griffiths as the partner in crime Riewoldt, and Richmond, so desperately crave.
It's fair to say Griffiths hasn't exploded on to the scene in the manner of Jeremy Cameron, Buddy Franklin or Jarryd Roughead. He has had issues with injuries and consistency, and has oscillated between defence and attack, with cameo appearances in the ruck.
He has both teased and titillated as a footballer, who, at 200 centimetres and 101 kilograms, with athleticism and the ability to take pack marks and kick prodigious distances, would seem genetically predisposed to provide far more than he has delivered.
And that is a problem that many clubs have had to, and continue to, wrestle with when faced with decisions on key-position forwards who promise plenty but deliver below expectation.
The competition is littered with such players. Liam Jones, Levi Casboult, Rhys Stanley, Jesse White, Shaun McKernan, Shane Kersten, Josh Walker, Jack Fitzpatrick, Cameron Pederson, John Butcher, Tom Lee, Jarrad Grant,
Griffiths once sat in this pack and, to be honest, hasn't done enough to ensure that, after a quiet month, he won't be quickly reinstated. And there is some irony in the fact that while he maintains his position in the side, he is keeping Tyrone Vickery out, one of the poster boys for big forwards who, despite plenty of opportunity, haven't been able to marry potential with performance on a consistent basis.
Vickery has been supported at Richmond, yet there comes a time when a decision has to be made on just how long you persevere with someone in, admittedly the most difficult position to play, and when you look elsewhere.
The fact that so many of the above-mentioned players have been given another chance at a second AFL home tells you how desperate clubs are to fill this critical role. Carlton appear to have put their faith in Jones to become the player that he wasn't able to be at the Bulldogs. The reasonable question to be asked is why Jones couldn't maintain his position in a side, such as the Bulldogs, who were so bereft of key forwards.
Similarly, Collingwood continue to maintain hope that Jesse White can produce the consistency that will allow him to free Travis Cloke, a role that Quentin Lynch, another journeyman key forward, was unable to fulfil. Patience is a virtue, but it eventually runs out.
The promising thing for Richmond is that Griffiths' curve has been ever-so-steadily on the rise. Sixteen games last year and glimpses of what he is capable of. And last Thursday he built on that momentum and produced a three-goal performance that helped steer the Tigers out of a potentially sticky predicament.
What we await is whether Griffiths has arrived and is ready to make the centre half-forward position his own, or is he just visiting on the way through to mediocrity. Maybe with some continuity in his football, his best is yet to come.
He does have a presence as a key forward, and that is half the battle. It's not a Wayne Carey-like presence at the moment but it will build as his teammates gain more confidence in him, and perhaps he gains more confidence in himself.
Turning those spectacular "nearly" pack marks into contested one-on-one "clunks", swapping those "nearly" 60-metre bombs at goal into solid 45-metre conversions, exposing less mobile opponents by winning ground balls and getting involved in more scoring chains; these are the sort of acts from which presence grows.
One of the key narratives coming out of round one is that success and strong key forwards remain one of the game's non-negotiables. Taylor Walker slaughtered North, Jarryd Roughead followed up his five-goal grand final performance with another imposing display, Buddy and Kurt Tippett got rolling for the Swans when it mattered most, Jeremy Cameron kicked four goals for the Giants, Matthew Pavlich won the game for Freo and young Jesse Hogan helped the Demons to a rare first-round victory.
In Jack Riewoldt, the Tigers have one half of the puzzle well and truly covered. He is a star. In Ben Griffiths they have their best chance of producing a combination that may carry them beyond week one of September.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/can-ben-griffiths-fill-the-hole-in-richmonds-attack-20150410-1mi86g.html
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Nothing in that article to disagree with.
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Ben needs to make another statement tomorrow. 3 or 4 goals tomorrow and the confidence will really start to grow. Hope he nails them tomorrow.
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Nothing in that article to disagree with.
agree smokey its almost exactly what ive been saying.
only thing i ve said different is we should have had more talls on the list and stopped hoping with the likes of vickery and griffiths. the planning or list management should have been with the view these players are likely to fail and as such if they did we werent going to start from scratch but had others already in our system. i still think this needs to happen.
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Nothing in that article to disagree with.
agree smokey its almost exactly what ive been saying.
only thing i ve said different is we should have had more talls on the list and stopped hoping with the likes of vickery and griffiths. the planning or list management should have been with the view these players are likely to fail and as such if they did we werent going to start from scratch but had others already in our system. i still think this needs to happen.
I respectfully disagree with this claw. You have said he is crap and is a dud many many times. I could go and dig them up if required but your not going to be able to do a Rance on this guy.
Ben showed plenty last year which you continuely failed to see and in fact claimed the opposite. Cant hide behind the "list management" arguements, this is not about that. The question is "Can Ben fill our CHF role?" Many of us that have watched him closely have said yes, what do you say claw?
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claw says that Alex Rance cant hold his feet so we should switch him to the forward pocket and send big Griff to full back ;D
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Nothing in that article to disagree with.
agree smokey its almost exactly what ive been saying.
only thing i ve said different is we should have had more talls on the list and stopped hoping with the likes of vickery and griffiths. the planning or list management should have been with the view these players are likely to fail and as such if they did we werent going to start from scratch but had others already in our system. i still think this needs to happen.
I respectfully disagree with this claw. You have said he is crap and is a dud many many times. I could go and dig them up if required but your not going to be able to do a Rance on this guy.
Ben showed plenty last year which you continuely failed to see and in fact claimed the opposite. Cant hide behind the "list management" arguements, this is not about that. The question is "Can Ben fill our CHF role?" Many of us that have watched him closely have said yes, what do you say claw?
what do you disagree with. in no way am i pumping up griffiths tyres and i stand by my statements that hes underperformed and his best games have hardly reached the standard.
i was all for trading one of vickery or griffiths last yr preferably vickery but they went and and re signed the big girls blouse.
so what does that article say about griffiths that i have.
he certainly hasnt exploded like others. he has oscillated between defense ruck fwd, thats something ive disagreed with. im adamant we play him as a 2nd ruck/fwd.
he has both teased and titillated. or shown glimpses which is all and its not been enough and i have said so. he does have the [potential to do better but he hasnt hes been mostly below par.
the comp is littered with the jones whites vickery etc and he rightly is lumped in with em none have established themselves some have given more than griffiths which is a worry.
griffiths sits in that group and while hes improved his barely at afl standard and has no margin for error.
when he says vickery has been supported but there comes a time when you ask how long do you persevere ive asked that question constantly about both hence icontinue to plead for different types and more talls to be in our system
the bloke says griffiths curve has been ever so slowly on the rise i agree with it and have said as much, trouble is for me he risen to barely up to afl standard and still regularly below
yes we are waiting to see if he will arrive or if hes going to slip back to horrid. he has a long way to go to even be considered a half decent player a sml drop off and hes back to dud status.
mate i dont see that article as a positive for griffiths its negative and its correct.
oh to finish ive constantly said i stand by my comments on rance. to me its only been the last 2 yrs that hes become elite. along the way he had many weaknesses and was at times down right ordinary.
if griffiths becomes a very good player i will go with it but so far the journey for ben has been very very ordinary.
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naturally any player worth their salt is elite right from the start.........
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naturally any player worth their salt is elite right from the start.........
good for you thinking that way. fortunately most of us dont.
sarcasm aside, all ive basically done is comment on griffiths performances and his weaknesses right thru out. this is his 6th yr and we are still getting articles like the one in this thread.
the critiques are warranted they will remain warranted until griffiths goes up a few levels if he goes up that is.
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he's played less than 50 games and you have in the past compared him to blokes who have played more than 100.
somehow you think blokes should be getting better while spending their time in the medical room rather than playing, which is as stupid as it gets
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Great article Gazza :thumbsup Griffith is a soft girl. Bring in Throne
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lmao at getting wet over anything lyon writes you desperate old slapper
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he's played less than 50 games and you have in the past compared him to blokes who have played more than 100.
somehow you think blokes should be getting better while spending their time in the medical room rather than playing, which is as stupid as it gets
lol at the stupidity. dont try and speak for me or put words in my mouth. if you had any sort of clue i could live with it but you dont.
ijuries or no injuries he had 6 yrs. and hes only played 50 games for a reason. the thing you like to ignore is that theres maybe 4 or 5 of those 50 games that have come remotely close to an acceptable standard.
its simple if you think they have been good and it sure seems that way, good for you it must be bliss being so deluded.
most of us still waiting for him show he truly belongs at the level.
anyway where have you been ive been missing my laugh fix reading your nonsense.
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Still an issue with conditioning, thought all the talk coming out of punt road this preseason was he was so fit he could potentially play up the ground. Once again fanciful pie in the sky BS from the club propaganda machine.
Having said that, Im a fan and reckon he presented better than any other fwd we had, just disappointing to see him dropping off and fatiguing so badly late in the game
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he's played less than 50 games and you have in the past compared him to blokes who have played more than 100.
somehow you think blokes should be getting better while spending their time in the medical room rather than playing, which is as stupid as it gets
lol at the stupidity. dont try and speak for me or put words in my mouth. if you had any sort of clue i could live with it but you dont.
ijuries or no injuries he had 6 yrs. and hes only played 50 games for a reason. the thing you like to ignore is that theres maybe 4 or 5 of those 50 games that have come remotely close to an acceptable standard.
its simple if you think they have been good and it sure seems that way, good for you it must be bliss being so deluded.
most of us still waiting for him show he truly belongs at the level.
anyway where have you been ive been missing my laugh fix reading your nonsense.
the reason he has less than 50 is largely due to injury, so you can laugh all you want, but you are only laughing at yourself, like the rest of us.
and yes, i have put it to you directly, and you yourself said that time in the system is more important than games played, even if much of that time is spent injured. so yeah, keep laughing.
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We've missed the point here.
The question shouldn't be Vickery or Griffiths.
It should be Vickery or Maric.
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We've missed the point here.
The question shouldn't be Vickery or Griffiths.
It should be Vickery or Maric.
na the question was and remains can he fill the hole in our fwd line. thast is no closer to being resolved as when we drafted him.
look i didnt see the game today but i bet griffiths had about 10 12 possies. probably took 5 marks maybe two contested and if we are lucky maybe kicked a goal. spent a little time in the ruck where he did okay but i bet he went missing for big chunks.
now rinse and repeat with probably even less impact in games.
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LMFAO
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2. Jumping Jack and Big Ben look the goods up front
If the Tigers were looking for more avenues to goal than Jack Riewoldt, they got it. In all they had 12 goalkickers and looked a multi-dimensional forward line capable of kicking a good score. Riewoldt himself was superb, working hard all over the ground to finish with 12 disposals and four goals. Big forward foil Ben Griffiths was just as important. Now in his sixth season, the 200cm Griffiths looks to have gone to another level in 2015. His numbers were terrific - 19 disposals, 2.2 and a team-high 10 marks, but more importantly he took the heat off Jumping Jack.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-18/big-ben-rings-true-for-tigers
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oh dear oh dear. it is funny.
it really is swings and roundabouts on sites. they win and all is rosy they lose and all is doom and gloom. the feel good crowd are out in force and it is funny.
yes griffiths had a good game tonight as did 99% of his team mates good on him. lets talk up newman lets talk up houli morris batchelor grigg etc etc .
people if he couldnt get a kick tonight he never would. now lets see what happens when there is some real competition.
in fairness to him he had a decent game you cant ask much else in the circumstances but ffs why hang your hat on it.
yes in the past even in a big win we would get little out of him so its good he made a good contribution its a positive now he needs to produce against a good opponent and consistently.
mcguire was their best defender on the park with a first gamer and another 20 21 yr old kid ffs if ben didnt play well tonight he would never play well.
so much for perspective eh.
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Claw, I think you are the one being reactionary bro.
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lot to like about griffiths tonight
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Improving more and more though it seems the better he gets at football the worse he gets at goal kicking. Used to be a Dead-Eye Dick.
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Claw, I think you are the one being reactionary bro.
Somebody has to be.
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Good game.
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He is very close to having really good games now. If the set shot he missed from 20 metres goes through and the goal he kicked wasn't disallowed, then he would have had 4 sausage rolls and an excellent game. Improving. Cant be put out of the side with performance like that.
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Griffo played his part last night. Lets see how hard Vickery wants that spot back
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If Big Ben can have a 50+ season then like whoa , Look Out :o that spells Danger
Hey claw,,,how's Tom Lee going :ROTFL
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Just his numbers really doesnt show his game. He was involved in so many of our scores. He was showing what he could do last season too. Some couldnt (or wouldnt) see it but this has been gone over many times. Somebody said that Vickery might be more fighting for Marics spot than Griffs and from what we have seen so far this season that could be the case.
His best game so far but will get even better. I think now he is getting confident and more importantly his team mates are getting more confident to kick it to him (that wasnt happening last year).
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I think hes making steady progress,but not completely sold on him yet
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Just his numbers really doesnt show his game. He was involved in so many of our scores. He was showing what he could do last season too. Some couldnt (or wouldnt) see it but this has been gone over many times. Somebody said that Vickery might be more fighting for Marics spot than Griffs and from what we have seen so far this season that could be the case.
His best game so far but will get even better. I think now he is getting confident and more importantly his team mates are getting more confident to kick it to him (that wasnt happening last year).
good post ;D
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Just wish he wouldn't miss the easy ones. One against Carlton he should have nailed and that easy one last night.
He's jagged 6 in 3 games. Should have been 8-9 easily.
Hopefully he starts putting them away. Can't wait to see this guy kick his first proper bag. Always had faith in him!
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Just wish he wouldn't miss the easy ones. One against Carlton he should have nailed and that easy one last night.
He's jagged 6 in 3 games. Should have been 8-9 easily.
Hopefully he starts putting them away. Can't wait to see this guy kick his first proper bag. Always had faith in him!
2 goals a game gets him 44 for the season. That's a pretty good return IMHO.
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Just wish he wouldn't miss the easy ones. One against Carlton he should have nailed and that easy one last night.
He's jagged 6 in 3 games. Should have been 8-9 easily.
Hopefully he starts putting them away. Can't wait to see this guy kick his first proper bag. Always had faith in him!
Agree totally. Those sitters could cost a game one day. I think it seems to be a problem because he can kick so far that he doesnt kick it like he normally would. Not that I would know that as I couldn't kick it over a jam tin.
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I agree 100%.
But I want him to iron out the yips he seems to have.
44 is great. 50-60 even better.
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if i had an area id want him to work hard on its his strength, especially core strength thru the hips plus legs.id like to find a way to get into his head to get him playing with more aggression.
i also want him to work hard on his ruck work.
i know most want him playing kpf me i want us to find another good kpf and play griffiths as a ruck fwd.
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if i had an area id want him to work hard on its his strength, especially core strength thru the hips plus legs.id like to find a way to get into his head to get him playing with more aggression.
i also want him to work hard on his ruck work.
i know most want him playing kpf me i want us to find another good kpf and play griffiths as a ruck fwd.
I reckon hes going OK, confidence is blooming each week
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if i had an area id want him to work hard on its his strength, especially core strength thru the hips plus legs.id like to find a way to get into his head to get him playing with more aggression.
i also want him to work hard on his ruck work.
i know most want him playing kpf me i want us to find another good kpf and play griffiths as a ruck fwd.
Be great if he could eventually make the transition to fwd/ruck clawsy but right at this point of his development I think he just needs to focus on establishing himself as a key forward with small stints in the ruck.
Work in progress really good signs that he's improving. The graph is moving upwards.
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I agree with all who say hes showing improvement .However would I say hes looking like developing into the power forward we want,probably not at this stage...but he is a work in progress
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I would love to see Benny G kick a 70m torpedo through the big sticks.
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I would love to see Benny G kick a 70m torpedo through the big sticks.
id like him to kick long more often
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I want to see 74 m kicks
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80m or bust!
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Calf injury so missed the last half, vickery in next week :banghead
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Calf injury so missed the last half, vickery in next week :banghead
From missing those sitters?
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Very disappointed in him tonight. Missing easy shots for goal. Very disappointed but hope he gets back quick.
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Lost up the game really, we had good early momentum and he never took advantage of it.
There's nothing more demoralizing for a side when a bloke takes and hanger and kicks a goal. He missed, then missed again after missing with his first shot.
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dissapointed he didnt finish, but played well besides that. no coincidence we got butt stuffed when he went off injured
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Griffo out for a couple of weeks according to Mark Stevens on Ch 7 tonight.
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Great. Looks like we'll get Vickery back to face up to Geelong then...
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Griffiths set to return
richmondfc.com.au
May 5, 2015
Emerging Richmond tall forward Ben Griffiths is recovering well from the calf injury that sidelined him last weekend and expects to be available for the Round 6 clash with North Melbourne in Hobart on Saturday.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-05-05/griffiths-set-to-return
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Good news.
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Good news.
Great news for RFC :cheers, bad news for Vickery :banghead
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Good news.
Great news for RFC :cheers, bad news for Vickery :banghead
Can't see Vickery being dropped after Dimma's comments earlier in the week. Suspect we will play both Griff and Vickery and both could be used to give Maric a chop out in the ruck.
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Vickery will play. Certainty.
If Griff has one bad game, alas curtains for him.
Vickery is four years into the abyss and he still gets a call up. :help
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Dimwit will hve Vickery solo in the forward 50.
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Another player with mental issues. Ben Griffiths
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Another player with mental issues. Ben Griffiths
Is your calf your brain?
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Another player with mental issues. Ben Griffiths
He hasn't won a Brownlow nor a Coleman, must be mentally weak.
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Another player with mental issues. Ben Griffiths
He hasn't won a Brownlow nor a Coleman, must be mentally weak.
I think Phil has a point. I sense that Ben (based on interviews) lacks confidence. He doesn't know how good he could be and for me he doesn't realise how good that booming kick of his can be.
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He could be more confident but I don't think he lacks it anymore. More just modest and wants to play his role to win games. Knows he is important to our structure and doesn't have much pressure on him for his spot
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Dimwit will hve Vickery solo in the forward 50.
"actually, we are playing Sam Lloyd as a tall forward" :banghead
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He could be more confident but I don't think he lacks it anymore. More just modest and wants to play his role to win games. Knows he is important to our structure and doesn't have much pressure on him for his spot
Does still have confidence issues kicking for goals. Needs to rectify these soon but i think he's starting to feel pretty good about his work around the ground. Has become critical for us which I find quite worrying as he has only performed like a competent AFL player this year and does have a history of injuries.
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Bloke needs a rocket in the ass regarding his short-range kicking for goal.
Missed a total sitter VS Carlton, another VS Footscray, and at least two VS Melbourne.
Unacceptable for a KPF!
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Bloke needs a rocket in the ass regarding his short range kicking for goal.
Missed a total sitter VS Carlton, another VS Footscray, and at least two VS Melbourne.
Unacceptable for a KPF!
Its been our problem for 20 years. Richo was a shocker, Jack will kick around a corner or pass it 20 meters backwards and Griff had a howler versus Melbourne. The captain can't kick a set shot and nail a goal.
The only bloke who has proven he can kick a goal under immense pressure was Jordan Mc Mahon and that cost us Jack Watts.
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Bloke needs a rocket in the ass regarding his short range kicking for goal.
Missed a total sitter VS Carlton, another VS Footscray, and at least two VS Melbourne.
Unacceptable for a KPF!
Its been our problem for 20 years. Richo was a shocker, Jack will kick around a corner or pass it 20 meters backwards and Griff had a howler versus Melbourne. The captain can't kick a set shot and nail a goal.
The only bloke who has proven he can kick a goal under immense pressure was Jordan Mc Mahon and that cost us Jack Watts.
I thought Jordan McMahons goal enabled us 2nd pick, we got Dusty instead of Scully??
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Bloke needs a rocket in the ass regarding his short range kicking for goal.
Missed a total sitter VS Carlton, another VS Footscray, and at least two VS Melbourne.
Unacceptable for a KPF!
Its been our problem for 20 years. Richo was a shocker, Jack will kick around a corner or pass it 20 meters backwards and Griff had a howler versus Melbourne. The captain can't kick a set shot and nail a goal.
The only bloke who has proven he can kick a goal under immense pressure was Jordan Mc Mahon and that cost us Jack Watts.
I thought Jordan McMahons goal enabled us 2nd pick, we got Dusty instead of Scully??
This is what I don't like about people who post facts, it shoots down other people's stories.
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Bloke needs a rocket in the ass regarding his short range kicking for goal.
Missed a total sitter VS Carlton, another VS Footscray, and at least two VS Melbourne.
Unacceptable for a KPF!
Its been our problem for 20 years. Richo was a shocker, Jack will kick around a corner or pass it 20 meters backwards and Griff had a howler versus Melbourne. The captain can't kick a set shot and nail a goal.
The only bloke who has proven he can kick a goal under immense pressure was Jordan Mc Mahon and that cost us Jack Watts.
I thought Jordan McMahons goal enabled us 2nd pick, we got Dusty instead of Scully??
This is what I don't like about people who post facts, it shoots down other people's stories.
I liked your version better too. :thumbsup
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If you stop Big Benny Griffiths run at the footy for a mark he hasn't got much else. For a bloke that is 200cm and 100kg and has been on an AFL list for 6 years he isn't real strong when competing one on one for a mark. That also goes for his ruck work.
It will be interesting to see him this weekend on Hansen, Thompson, Firrito or even Tarrant, all guys that like body contact and take away your run at the footy.
Don't get me wrong I want this guy to succeed, it may not sound like it but I can see past the one big grab a week or the long goal. He needs to get involved more than he does for a player of his size and time on our list.
I'll be watching closely this weekend.
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if you stop anyones run at the footy they havent got anything else. mainly because you have stopped them getting to the footy
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Yeah that's generally how it works....
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:lol
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if you stop anyones run at the footy they havent got anything else. mainly because you have stopped them getting to the footy
As a key forward at 200cm and 100kg you would hope he could actually hold his ground and take a contested mark. Not sure how much running is involved in that?
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Maybe we need someone who can leap 2 metres high from a standing start
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if you stop anyones run at the footy they havent got anything else. mainly because you have stopped them getting to the footy
As a key forward at 200cm and 100kg you would hope he could actually hold his ground and take a contested mark. Not sure how much running is involved in that?
in that case you havnt stopped his run at the ball.
if you stop someones run at the ball you stop them getting to the ball, by definition.
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holding your ground is also completely different to running at the ball.
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holding your ground is also completely different to running at the ball.
What if your running up and down on the spot? ;D
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holding your ground is also completely different to running at the ball.
What if your running up and down on the spot? ;D
This thread's about Griffiths, not Vickery....
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If you stop Big Benny Griffiths run at the footy for a mark he hasn't got much else. For a bloke that is 200cm and 100kg and has been on an AFL list for 6 years he isn't real strong when competing one on one for a mark. That also goes for his ruck work.
It will be interesting to see him this weekend on Hansen, Thompson, Firrito or even Tarrant, all guys that like body contact and take away your run at the footy.
Don't get me wrong I want this guy to succeed, it may not sound like it but I can see past the one big grab a week or the long goal. He needs to get involved more than he does for a player of his size and time on our list.
I'll be watching closely this weekend.
Yet you said Vickery is still young in another thread and we need to persevere with him! And he's been far more putrid than Griffiths this year. And Griffiths is a year younger....
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Aaaaand Griff has had injuries. Vickery has had some but not to the extent of Griff
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:rollin
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If you stop Big Benny Griffiths run at the footy for a mark he hasn't got much else. For a bloke that is 200cm and 100kg and has been on an AFL list for 6 years he isn't real strong when competing one on one for a mark. That also goes for his ruck work.
It will be interesting to see him this weekend on Hansen, Thompson, Firrito or even Tarrant, all guys that like body contact and take away your run at the footy.
Don't get me wrong I want this guy to succeed, it may not sound like it but I can see past the one big grab a week or the long goal. He needs to get involved more than he does for a player of his size and time on our list.
I'll be watching closely this weekend.
Yet you said Vickery is still young in another thread and we need to persevere with him! And he's been far more putrid than Griffiths this year. And Griffiths is a year younger....
I said Vickery was still young for a tall- I didn't say he was worth persevering with. Haven't said that for a while.
Vickery has only played one game this year too and it was putrid but Griff hasn't been much better.
If you read my post again I didn't mention Tyrone, it was about Griff. Maybe comment on that?
If you stop his leap at the footy he struggles to take a mark one on one. Thoughts?
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If you stop Big Benny Griffiths run at the footy for a mark he hasn't got much else. For a bloke that is 200cm and 100kg and has been on an AFL list for 6 years he isn't real strong when competing one on one for a mark. That also goes for his ruck work.
It will be interesting to see him this weekend on Hansen, Thompson, Firrito or even Tarrant, all guys that like body contact and take away your run at the footy.
Don't get me wrong I want this guy to succeed, it may not sound like it but I can see past the one big grab a week or the long goal. He needs to get involved more than he does for a player of his size and time on our list.
I'll be watching closely this weekend.
Yet you said Vickery is still young in another thread and we need to persevere with him! And he's been far more putrid than Griffiths this year. And Griffiths is a year younger....
I said Vickery was still young for a tall- I didn't say he was worth persevering with. Haven't said that for a while.
Vickery has only played one game this year too and it was putrid but Griff hasn't been much better.
If you read my post again I didn't mention Tyrone, it was about Griff. Maybe comment on that?
If you stop his leap at the footy he struggles to take a mark one on one. Thoughts?
Griff has played quite a bit around the ground this year and has been ok. I have been to all our games this year and have watched him closely. When he went off at half time against Melbourne, the game changed significantly. He was creating all sorts of headaches for their backs. He just converted poorly which let them off the hook. If you block Vickery's run at the ball you also take him out of the contest so I'm not sure what you are trying to say. This applies to many of the younger KPF's in the league until they work out how to use their bodies to get themselves back into the contest.
I've said many times that I would love both Vickery and Griffiths to succeed because that is vital to our success. They should be kicking the ball to one another and creating a chemistry between them. The way Hardwick has set them up, he has them fighting for the same spot. This has become detrimental to both their development.
However, if you did a poll on who people think offers more between the two, I would be pretty certain that the vast majority would pick Griffiths. You seem to be the poster that has the opposite view which is fine but you must apply the same rules to both. I watched Vickery against Geelong and off the ball he was pathetic. No effort at all in running hard and creating options or putting any pressure on the opposition backs. The guy has the attributes to be a very good player but his lack of effort is why he is not getting a game.
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I pray to god griff doesn't miss one from the goal square today or I may drive off station pier
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_TEXkfgYCQ
Few good contested marks in there, most of them with people taking his run away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qhGAEOP59w
VFL but there a couple in there too.
Of course taking his run is going to make it harder for him to mark the ball, it's the same with every single player. But I don't see where you base this opinion that he can't take contested marks from.
Oh and who remembers him getting the buzz cut :lol
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i see stopping his run at the ball has now changed to stopping his leap at the ball.
are there actually any players in the league that can be prevented from leaping at the ball and still out mark someone who has an unimpeded leap at the ball?
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i see stopping his run at the ball has now changed to stopping his leap at the ball.
are there actually any players in the league that can be prevented from leaping at the ball and still out mark someone who has an unimpeded leap at the ball?
Fair call. I probably should have worded my first post better. I did mean stop his leap at the footy. IMO he just isn't very good in a one on on dual.
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If you stop Big Benny Griffiths run at the footy for a mark he hasn't got much else. For a bloke that is 200cm and 100kg and has been on an AFL list for 6 years he isn't real strong when competing one on one for a mark. That also goes for his ruck work.
It will be interesting to see him this weekend on Hansen, Thompson, Firrito or even Tarrant, all guys that like body contact and take away your run at the footy.
Don't get me wrong I want this guy to succeed, it may not sound like it but I can see past the one big grab a week or the long goal. He needs to get involved more than he does for a player of his size and time on our list.
I'll be watching closely this weekend.
Yet you said Vickery is still young in another thread and we need to persevere with him! And he's been far more putrid than Griffiths this year. And Griffiths is a year younger....
I said Vickery was still young for a tall- I didn't say he was worth persevering with. Haven't said that for a while.
Vickery has only played one game this year too and it was putrid but Griff hasn't been much better.
If you read my post again I didn't mention Tyrone, it was about Griff. Maybe comment on that?
If you stop his leap at the footy he struggles to take a mark one on one. Thoughts?
Griff has played quite a bit around the ground this year and has been ok. I have been to all our games this year and have watched him closely. When he went off at half time against Melbourne, the game changed significantly. He was creating all sorts of headaches for their backs. He just converted poorly which let them off the hook. If you block Vickery's run at the ball you also take him out of the contest so I'm not sure what you are trying to say. This applies to many of the younger KPF's in the league until they work out how to use their bodies to get themselves back into the contest.
I've said many times that I would love both Vickery and Griffiths to succeed because that is vital to our success. They should be kicking the ball to one another and creating a chemistry between them. The way Hardwick has set them up, he has them fighting for the same spot. This has become detrimental to both their development.
However, if you did a poll on who people think offers more between the two, I would be pretty certain that the vast majority would pick Griffiths. You seem to be the poster that has the opposite view which is fine but you must apply the same rules to both. I watched Vickery against Geelong and off the ball he was pathetic. No effort at all in running hard and creating options or putting any pressure on the opposition backs. The guy has the attributes to be a very good player but his lack of effort is why he is not getting a game.
Just got home from golf. How did your man go today?
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I'm starting to think big Ben is made of glass
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Always early sub against Norf. Last year was Vlastuin now Griffiths.
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If you stop Big Benny Griffiths run at the footy for a mark he hasn't got much else. For a bloke that is 200cm and 100kg and has been on an AFL list for 6 years he isn't real strong when competing one on one for a mark. That also goes for his ruck work.
It will be interesting to see him this weekend on Hansen, Thompson, Firrito or even Tarrant, all guys that like body contact and take away your run at the footy.
Don't get me wrong I want this guy to succeed, it may not sound like it but I can see past the one big grab a week or the long goal. He needs to get involved more than he does for a player of his size and time on our list.
I'll be watching closely this weekend.
Yet you said Vickery is still young in another thread and we need to persevere with him! And he's been far more putrid than Griffiths this year. And Griffiths is a year younger....
I said Vickery was still young for a tall- I didn't say he was worth persevering with. Haven't said that for a while.
Vickery has only played one game this year too and it was putrid but Griff hasn't been much better.
If you read my post again I didn't mention Tyrone, it was about Griff. Maybe comment on that?
If you stop his leap at the footy he struggles to take a mark one on one. Thoughts?
Griff has played quite a bit around the ground this year and has been ok. I have been to all our games this year and have watched him closely. When he went off at half time against Melbourne, the game changed significantly. He was creating all sorts of headaches for their backs. He just converted poorly which let them off the hook. If you block Vickery's run at the ball you also take him out of the contest so I'm not sure what you are trying to say. This applies to many of the younger KPF's in the league until they work out how to use their bodies to get themselves back into the contest.
I've said many times that I would love both Vickery and Griffiths to succeed because that is vital to our success. They should be kicking the ball to one another and creating a chemistry between them. The way Hardwick has set them up, he has them fighting for the same spot. This has become detrimental to both their development.
However, if you did a poll on who people think offers more between the two, I would be pretty certain that the vast majority would pick Griffiths. You seem to be the poster that has the opposite view which is fine but you must apply the same rules to both. I watched Vickery against Geelong and off the ball he was pathetic. No effort at all in running hard and creating options or putting any pressure on the opposition backs. The guy has the attributes to be a very good player but his lack of effort is why he is not getting a game.
Just got home from golf. How did your man go today?
How'd you hit them bt?
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If you stop Big Benny Griffiths run at the footy for a mark he hasn't got much else. For a bloke that is 200cm and 100kg and has been on an AFL list for 6 years he isn't real strong when competing one on one for a mark. That also goes for his ruck work.
It will be interesting to see him this weekend on Hansen, Thompson, Firrito or even Tarrant, all guys that like body contact and take away your run at the footy.
Don't get me wrong I want this guy to succeed, it may not sound like it but I can see past the one big grab a week or the long goal. He needs to get involved more than he does for a player of his size and time on our list.
I'll be watching closely this weekend.
Yet you said Vickery is still young in another thread and we need to persevere with him! And he's been far more putrid than Griffiths this year. And Griffiths is a year younger....
I said Vickery was still young for a tall- I didn't say he was worth persevering with. Haven't said that for a while.
Vickery has only played one game this year too and it was putrid but Griff hasn't been much better.
If you read my post again I didn't mention Tyrone, it was about Griff. Maybe comment on that?
If you stop his leap at the footy he struggles to take a mark one on one. Thoughts?
Griff has played quite a bit around the ground this year and has been ok. I have been to all our games this year and have watched him closely. When he went off at half time against Melbourne, the game changed significantly. He was creating all sorts of headaches for their backs. He just converted poorly which let them off the hook. If you block Vickery's run at the ball you also take him out of the contest so I'm not sure what you are trying to say. This applies to many of the younger KPF's in the league until they work out how to use their bodies to get themselves back into the contest.
I've said many times that I would love both Vickery and Griffiths to succeed because that is vital to our success. They should be kicking the ball to one another and creating a chemistry between them. The way Hardwick has set them up, he has them fighting for the same spot. This has become detrimental to both their development.
However, if you did a poll on who people think offers more between the two, I would be pretty certain that the vast majority would pick Griffiths. You seem to be the poster that has the opposite view which is fine but you must apply the same rules to both. I watched Vickery against Geelong and off the ball he was pathetic. No effort at all in running hard and creating options or putting any pressure on the opposition backs. The guy has the attributes to be a very good player but his lack of effort is why he is not getting a game.
Just got home from golf. How did your man go today?
How'd you hit them bt?
Played to my handicap which was pleasing considering the wind was up. Do you play?
I IQ'ed the game and will watch it later. Did you watch? Sounds like the same old same old!
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Was knocked out and subbed off very early. Are you going to criticise him for that too?
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Was knocked out and subbed off very early. Are you going to criticise him for that too?
We seemed to immediately lose our structure once he went out. As I've said before its concerning how we seem to be quiet reliant upon him at the moment.
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We need another tall and possibly two. The team structure is all wrong.
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If you stop Big Benny Griffiths run at the footy for a mark he hasn't got much else. For a bloke that is 200cm and 100kg and has been on an AFL list for 6 years he isn't real strong when competing one on one for a mark. That also goes for his ruck work.
It will be interesting to see him this weekend on Hansen, Thompson, Firrito or even Tarrant, all guys that like body contact and take away your run at the footy.
Don't get me wrong I want this guy to succeed, it may not sound like it but I can see past the one big grab a week or the long goal. He needs to get involved more than he does for a player of his size and time on our list.
I'll be watching closely this weekend.
Yet you said Vickery is still young in another thread and we need to persevere with him! And he's been far more putrid than Griffiths this year. And Griffiths is a year younger....
I said Vickery was still young for a tall- I didn't say he was worth persevering with. Haven't said that for a while.
Vickery has only played one game this year too and it was putrid but Griff hasn't been much better.
If you read my post again I didn't mention Tyrone, it was about Griff. Maybe comment on that?
If you stop his leap at the footy he struggles to take a mark one on one. Thoughts?
Griff has played quite a bit around the ground this year and has been ok. I have been to all our games this year and have watched him closely. When he went off at half time against Melbourne, the game changed significantly. He was creating all sorts of headaches for their backs. He just converted poorly which let them off the hook. If you block Vickery's run at the ball you also take him out of the contest so I'm not sure what you are trying to say. This applies to many of the younger KPF's in the league until they work out how to use their bodies to get themselves back into the contest.
I've said many times that I would love both Vickery and Griffiths to succeed because that is vital to our success. They should be kicking the ball to one another and creating a chemistry between them. The way Hardwick has set them up, he has them fighting for the same spot. This has become detrimental to both their development.
However, if you did a poll on who people think offers more between the two, I would be pretty certain that the vast majority would pick Griffiths. You seem to be the poster that has the opposite view which is fine but you must apply the same rules to both. I watched Vickery against Geelong and off the ball he was pathetic. No effort at all in running hard and creating options or putting any pressure on the opposition backs. The guy has the attributes to be a very good player but his lack of effort is why he is not getting a game.
Just got home from golf. How did your man go today?
How'd you hit them bt?
Played to my handicap which was pleasing considering the wind was up. Do you play?
I IQ'ed the game and will watch it later. Did you watch? Sounds like the same old same old!
Save yourself the perforated ulcer mate, was putrid.
Nice work playing to cap in todays conditions :thumbsup yeah I play, member at growling frog, although haven't played much recently. If you ever want a hit out my way, give us a yell :thumbsup
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Was knocked out and subbed off very early. Are you going to criticise him for that too?
I'll wait to see it first but he is a Marshmallow!
I just hope he misses next week too. McBean deserves his spot.
Happy for you to do a poll if that makes you happy to have people on your side. :thumbsup
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Was knocked out and subbed off very early. Are you going to criticise him for that too?
I'll wait to see it first but he is a Marshmallow!
I just hope he misses next week too. McBean deserves his spot.
Happy for you to do a poll if that makes you happy to have people on your side. :thumbsup
Don't need people on my side. If he is a marshmallow, Vickery is one too. Just a lazier version that you seem to like. Neither have set the house on fire but the whole football world knows who has more upside. And it isn't Tyrone.
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Was knocked out and subbed off very early. Are you going to criticise him for that too?
I'll wait to see it first but he is a Marshmallow!
I just hope he misses next week too. McBean deserves his spot.
Happy for you to do a poll if that makes you happy to have people on your side. :thumbsup
Don't need people on my side. If he is a marshmallow, Vickery is one too. Just a lazier version that you seem to like. Neither have set the house on fire but the whole football world knows who has more upside. And it isn't Tyrone.
They breed 'em tough at Punt road. :rollin
This weeks training.... :pillowfight
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Was knocked out and subbed off very early. Are you going to criticise him for that too?
I'll wait to see it first but he is a Marshmallow!
I just hope he misses next week too. McBean deserves his spot.
Happy for you to do a poll if that makes you happy to have people on your side. :thumbsup
Don't need people on my side. If he is a marshmallow, Vickery is one too. Just a lazier version that you seem to like. Neither have set the house on fire but the whole football world knows who has more upside. And it isn't Tyrone.
Neither are very good mate. But comparing the two doesn't make Griff any better.
Would trade the both of them at years end. Along with Ellis, Conca, Grigg Houli, Batchelor and a few others..
If we could get picks in the late 20's to 30's for any of them I'd take it.
None of those players would get a regular game in a decent side.
Griff and Conca to WC for Darling would be the trade of the century.
Ellis and Vickery might get you pick a 25 odd and Conca maybe pick 30 odd.
Grigg, Houli and Batch a pick in the 40's maybe.
So we would have Darling, 5 picks in the first 30, and another 4 in the 40's. Surely a decent recruiter could do something pretty special with that.
Anyway mate the club has a fair bit of work to do. Only wish they had some balls to make some tough calls on players, coach and FJ.
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Don't reckon his concussion today was the result of marshmellowing
Made a great contest and copped a whack.
Losing him stuffed us up completely, structure wise.
No chop out for Ivan, and Astbury as the 2nd tall forward who gave us nothing
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yes. to be fair. he normally gets hurt doing the right thing
contesting the ball, or today chasing
a few of the other guys can take notes
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Was knocked out and subbed off very early. Are you going to criticise him for that too?
In all seriousness it didn't look like much. His face hit the Noths guys BACK. No cut, no blood and probably no bruise. How hard can someone's back be?? :whistle
As for Rance, has a head clash, huge amount of blood, gets patched up and is back on in 5 minutes.
I'm thinking Griff failed the concussion test not because he was concussed but because he is a dill.
:cheers
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Was knocked out and subbed off very early. Are you going to criticise him for that too?
I'll wait to see it first but he is a Marshmallow!
I just hope he misses next week too. McBean deserves his spot.
Happy for you to do a poll if that makes you happy to have people on your side. :thumbsup
Don't need people on my side. If he is a marshmallow, Vickery is one too. Just a lazier version that you seem to like. Neither have set the house on fire but the whole football world knows who has more upside. And it isn't Tyrone.
Neither are very good mate. But comparing the two doesn't make Griff any better.
Would trade the both of them at years end. Along with Ellis, Conca, Grigg Houli, Batchelor and a few others..
If we could get picks in the late 20's to 30's for any of them I'd take it.
None of those players would get a regular game in a decent side.
Griff and Conca to WC for Darling would be the trade of the century.
Ellis and Vickery might get you pick a 25 odd and Conca maybe pick 30 odd.
Grigg, Houli and Batch a pick in the 40's maybe.
So we would have Darling, 5 picks in the first 30, and another 4 in the 40's. Surely a decent recruiter could do something pretty special with that.
Anyway mate the club has a fair bit of work to do. Only wish they had some balls to make some tough calls on players, coach and FJ.
Those are terrible picks and even good recruiters would be lucky to get 3 good players from that
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Don't reckon his concussion today was the result of marshmellowing
Made a great contest and copped a whack.
Losing him stuffed us up completely, structure wise.
No chop out for Ivan, and Astbury as the 2nd tall forward who gave us nothing
Reckon if he didn't lose his feet originally it wouldn't of went down the way it did. Sick of our players falling over all the time.
Also, I thought Astbury looked okay as the 3rd tall. Not damaging but for someone out as much as him and his training being focused as a defender he lead up well. But as soon as he became the 2nd tall he went to poo
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Don't reckon his concussion today was the result of marshmellowing
Made a great contest and copped a whack.
Losing him stuffed us up completely, structure wise.
No chop out for Ivan, and Astbury as the 2nd tall forward who gave us nothing
Reckon if he didn't lose his feet originally it wouldn't of went down the way it did. Sick of our players falling over all the time.
Also, I thought Astbury looked okay as the 3rd tall. Not damaging but for someone out as much as him and his training being focused as a defender he lead up well. But as soon as he became the 2nd tall he went to poo
2nd, 3rd effort was in part his gut running to make the pcntest, horribly out numbered, grab by the jumper, not sure what showed up on the TV, but at the game it looks good.
Ashbury problem IMHO is he is far too slow not just by foot but slow decision making wise throw in constantly playing from behind doesn't help either
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Spare me, the bloke was giving his all and gets knocked out, but still not good enough , maybe he can kill himself next time so he can show love and respect for those who need someone to hate but I guess he knows they will find someone else to hate. That fat kid in the little league is looking for some haters last I heard -
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2nd, 3rd effort was in part his gut running to make the pcntest, horribly out numbered, grab by the jumper, not sure what showed up on the TV, but at the game it looks good.
Ashbury problem IMHO is he is far too slow not just by foot but slow decision making wise throw in constantly playing from behind doesn't help either
He did well to put the pressure on but he tried pushing a much smaller bloke off the ball and 1. didn't even do it and 2. fell over. So he had to resort to diving when he got collected and knocked out but if he was on his feet I doubt a much smaller man in Thomas wouldn't of got him head high and knocked him out
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Spare me, the bloke was giving his all and gets knocked out, but still not good enough , maybe he can kill himself next time so he can show love and respect for those who need someone to hate but I guess he knows they will find someone else to hate. That fat kid in the little league is looking for some haters last I heard -
He'd had 2 kicks in a quarter of footy mate, hardly giving his all. Get a grip!
Maybe we should just give him the McDonalds award for best trier and move on.
It's the AFL, he is not a kid and doesn't need your mothering.
You are aloud to question players and the club, both aren't doing that well to just be silent.
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Two kicks is irrelevant Mate, he was was putting himself in and was tackling hard which caused him to clash heads, not an act of a soft player!
By attacking him only shows your frustration by taking it out on someone is obviously trying his best and was obviously missed once he went off. His value in the forward is at least competes which helps keep the ball in.
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Stats should not be a measure of whether a player is giving his all or not.
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As with morro in the first game of the season stats can be misleading ,however at the end of the day if a player continually does not get the pill,he will be judged on that
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As with morro in the first game of the season stats can be misleading ,however at the end of the day if a player continually does not get the pill,he will be judged on that
Fair point, people will always point to stats to measure ones output. However, 'giving his all' implies effort. To say someone hasn't given his all because he has only had two kicks is not an accurate measure.
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Cost us the game, we were playing champagne football in the first half :clapping
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i dont think you know the difference between a bottle of champers and a goon bag......
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Can play
BUT
There is a huge gap between his worst footy and best footy
Seen him miss easy shots against Brisbane and Melbourne that makes me think he isn't real smart between the ears
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wtf?
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wtf?
Its a part of a revamped IQ test. Take 10 shots on goal, miss 6 and your dumb stuff.
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Well if you watched him closely in all missed shots from inside 30
His run up was completely different to that of a normal shot
Surely his kicking routine after 5 years in the system would be worked out by now
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Common problem across the board, not sure why you'd pin that to BG
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His misses were bad
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wtf?
Its a part of a revamped IQ test. Take 10 shots on goal, miss 6 and your dumb stuff.
lmao
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Two kicks is irrelevant Mate, he was was putting himself in and was tackling hard which caused him to clash heads, not an act of a soft player!
By attacking him only shows your frustration by taking it out on someone is obviously trying his best and was obviously missed once he went off. His value in the forward is at least competes which helps keep the ball in.
I hardly think I'm attacking him. I just don't rate him. I think he is soft. And yes that is frustrating.
A few things for the record though, there was no head clash, Biff's head hit Thomas' back or shoulder. And not sure you can say he was tackling hard either, he lost his feet and went to ground. No tackle recorded on the stat sheet either so it's not just my opinion.
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As with morro in the first game of the season stats can be misleading ,however at the end of the day if a player continually does not get the pill,he will be judged on that
Fair point, people will always point to stats to measure ones output. However, 'giving his all' implies effort. To say someone hasn't given his all because he has only had two kicks is not an accurate measure.
I recon you can "give your all" after playing 4 quarters, not 25minutes.
I'm not a huge fan for stats either as Dimma continually shows they can be manipulated to however you want to read them. But 2 kicks is 2 kicks. Not bad for a tall forward in 25 minutes of footy but hardly giving your all.
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How the hell did he knock himself out by connecting with Lindsay "I'm a big bitch" Thomas. Sorry Griffo but that was just a little bit soft
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
Got to say Doc, we were sitting up above the interchange area and coming off Griffiths looked in a very bad way. It was a nasty one no doubt. Even in the 3rd when he came back to the bench he looked shocking
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
What medical facts are there Doc?
Don't use your position as a doctor to assume you know about every collision that happens the the footy field.
All I said it looked soft, and it does. Maybe we should do a poll as you need to feel more comfortable with people backing your opinion. :thumbsup
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
Got to say Doc, we were sitting up above the interchange area and coming off Griffiths looked in a very bad way. It was a nasty one no doubt. Even in the 3rd when he came back to the bench he looked shocking
He always looks like that WP.
Have you had a chance to look at it on TV? Innocuous is just a nice way of saying soft.
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
What medical facts are there Doc?
Don't use your position as a doctor to assume you know about every collision that happens the the footy field.
All I said it looked soft, and it does. Maybe we should do a poll as you need to feel more comfortable with people backing your opinion. :thumbsup
"Concussion is a brain injury and is defined as a complex physiological process affecting the brain, induced by biomechanical forces. Concussion may be caused by either a direct or indirect blow to the head, face, neck or body causing an impulsive force transmitted to the head."
http://sma.org.au/resources-advice/concussion/
In other words you don't need a direct blow. You only need to have the force transmitted to the head which is what happened to Ben. Now big tone, I don't know what you do for a living, but I would hesitate to say you know a lot more than I do about your area of work. So don't pretend you know anything about neurology and neuroscience because you clearly do not. I am not using my position here to do anything but just state facts.
Concussion is still an area where we a increasing our knowledge. What we don't need is armchair experts saying players are "soft" when all they can see is a distorted view through a TV lens that does not give you a 360 degree view of the incident. Sorry but that is just bulldust.
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Griffiths got hit under the chin area. If you do a search on the best place to hit someone to knock them out, it's under the chin/cheek area.
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BT would probably drop like a sack of potatoes from a blow half the force of the one that concussed Griffiths.
It's like depression BT. There is no measuring stick, and presuming to know is just ignorant and insensitive.
Even Mike Tyson got concussed once by Buster Douglas. Only takes one perfectly placed hit, not even too hard.
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Unlucky, miles ahead of others when it comes to efforts and throwing himself around.
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
Got to say Doc, we were sitting up above the interchange area and coming off Griffiths looked in a very bad way. It was a nasty one no doubt. Even in the 3rd when he came back to the bench he looked shocking
So he copped a broken nose, big deal, tape it up and play on
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
Got to say Doc, we were sitting up above the interchange area and coming off Griffiths looked in a very bad way. It was a nasty one no doubt. Even in the 3rd when he came back to the bench he looked shocking
He always looks like that WP.
Have you had a chance to look at it on TV? Innocuous is just a nice way of saying soft.
Lots of things look innocuous on BT by definition concussion can't be the result of an innocuous hit.
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
Got to say Doc, we were sitting up above the interchange area and coming off Griffiths looked in a very bad way. It was a nasty one no doubt. Even in the 3rd when he came back to the bench he looked shocking
So he copped a broken nose, big deal, tape it up and play on
A stiff breeze let alone a stiff arm would probably drop you on your arse and you probably cry whenever you break a nail....
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
Got to say Doc, we were sitting up above the interchange area and coming off Griffiths looked in a very bad way. It was a nasty one no doubt. Even in the 3rd when he came back to the bench he looked shocking
He always looks like that WP.
Have you had a chance to look at it on TV? Innocuous is just a nice way of saying soft.
Lots of things look innocuous on BT by definition concussion can't be the result of an innocuous hit.
Correct. What looks innocuous really isn't. That was my point.
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seriously, calling someone soft because they have been knocked out.
FMD.
Perhaps you so called tuff guys could explain how ( and it is shown to be the case) that wearing a mouth guard can reduce the severity of concussion when taking a blow to the jaw if you think you need a solid blow to the head to cop brain injury
You clearly have no idea what you are on about and you dont understand what happens when knock to the head area happens. The medical profession itself is still catching up to just how much damage occurs to the brain from head knocks
It just purile vitriol to be condemning a player because he has been knocked out
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In fairness, he has been calling Griff soft long before this concussion
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In fairness, he has been calling Griff soft long before this concussion
To be honest "fairness" is not a word I would use here. This is what big tone said in another thread about Vickery:
I think we need to persevere with Tyrone for this year anyway.
He needs to be sat down and look at what Brodie Grundy is doing at Collingwood. They are very similar size, body type and athletic ability. . Gundy in his second year of AFL footy just jumps at every bounce, tries to get in front in every throw in giving him the best chance to get his hands on the ball first and tries to help out around the ground when he can. He is not doing anything special just doing the simple things that ANY ruckman shoud do, well.
Big Tyrone is better than he is producing at present. He is a reasonable mark and kick, moves ok and pretty good when the ball is on the ground. He just needs to be instructed to jump all day long, no more run in, stop, walk around the ruckman and try and tap it to our advantage.. Just run in, jump, put your knee into the other ruckman and KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.
IMO he needs more time in the ruck, we have tended to try and protect him but he just needs to crack in and complete, he is not a boy anymore.
Collingwood have done that with Grundy and he has done really well.
Time to give big Tyrone some responsibility.
Yet, he always lists Griff as a dud. This is a player who is one year younger than Tyrone who was originally plagued with shoulder issues that required reconstructions and bone grafting. The guy has had a poor start to his AFL career consequently. He has caught up and surpassed Tyrone in many aspects (not all) of the game.
I just think it is unfair to personally denigrate one player who has been less than stellar but support another similar type who has been even more putrid.
If you want to bag players, and some deserved to be bagged, don't make it personal. BT is doing just that because on most measures he seems unreasonable in his support of one player while denigrating another who on face value has performed better of late. That is all.
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This doesn't have anything to do with TV. He's being calling Griffiths soft and he also mentioned the incident looked soft and it seems you've jumped on that as the be all end all of the argument.
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This doesn't have anything to do with TV. He's being calling Griffiths soft and he also mentioned the incident looked soft and it seems you've jumped on that as the be all end all of the argument.
So you think it is ok to have certain standards for some players and others of similar ilk to be judged by different standards? That is my point.
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
What medical facts are there Doc?
Don't use your position as a doctor to assume you know about every collision that happens the the footy field.
All I said it looked soft, and it does. Maybe we should do a poll as you need to feel more comfortable with people backing your opinion. :thumbsup
"Concussion is a brain injury and is defined as a complex physiological process affecting the brain, induced by biomechanical forces. Concussion may be caused by either a direct or indirect blow to the head, face, neck or body causing an impulsive force transmitted to the head."
http://sma.org.au/resources-advice/concussion/
In other words you don't need a direct blow. You only need to have the force transmitted to the head which is what happened to Ben. Now big tone, I don't know what you do for a living, but I would hesitate to say you know a lot more than I do about your area of work. So don't pretend you know anything about neurology and neuroscience because you clearly do not. I am not using my position here to do anything but just state facts.
Concussion is still an area where we a increasing our knowledge. What we don't need is armchair experts saying players are "soft" when all they can see is a distorted view through a TV lens that does not give you a 360 degree view of the incident. Sorry but that is just bulldust.
Thanks for your definition of concussion. You don't need to be a doctor to google that but thanks for letting us all know again that you are a doctor. I'm sure your family are really proud of you but on here you are just another poster with an opinion.
When I asked for facts I meant regarding the slight bump that Griff took. Not a definition on what it was and how you can get it.
What I will say as an armchair expert, I'm allowed to think someone is soft if I see it that way. I don't need you because you have a degree telling me what I see and don't see. I have said I think Biff is soft basically from day one of seeing him and watching him again go off on the weekend from what looked like an innocuous bump didn't change my mind. He missed last week with something else, but after 1 week he is right to play again.
I don't just think he is a bit soft because he has missed more games than he has played since being at the footy club but the way he plays. I feel he lacks desperation at the footy and at the man with the footy. When he hasn't got the footy and that's a lot, he is basically a liability to our side.
IMO he is a highlights package, he generally takes a nice mark a game and sometimes kicks a goal but he doesn't do much else to help the team. We have too many guys that are just not prepared to pay the price of what it takes to make us a great team again.
If I had my way I'd get rid of Biff and TV but if I had to keep one I'd keep TV. I see more in him than I see in Biff that would contribute to us being a better side. He is not as flashy but he hits the scoreboard and the last time I checked that is the name of the game.
Anyway I hope Griff is recovering well but I also hope he misses this week so we can see McBean.
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I don't get to watch our two's very often but when looking at the results McBean seems to kick a few goals but rarely gets named in the best. What is his upside compared to Griff and Tyrone? Is he just a younger version.
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McBean has a bit of an X factor
Very very good below the knees and very mobile
Downside and reason he hasn't been played is his defensive skills
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The problem with McBean is he plays small. He doesn't take pack marks or use his height to advantage. That said, the opposition probably haven't cottoned on to this and would put a tall on him that is less agile which may play into his hands.
Anything is better than what we are getting form our talls. One of the problems is they can easily double team them because we play one or two too few talls in our team.
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McBean is ok as a lead up forward so in that respect he plays tall. But yeah hardly your contested marking machine
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Whether we think he is soft or not is irrelevant , personaly I belive anyone who plays AfL has a level of courage.
What is relevant is The club sees Griff as a long way ahead of Vickery as a ruck / forward , just a beter all round player . Took some courageous marks last year to save us in few games l
Vickery has had his chances and probably needs to be developed as Ruckman imho.
All the experts all said we lost our structure once he went down, which just goes to show , whether he's captain couragous or not he is very important to our side and is the best ruck / forward we have by miles., pity he has been missing easy shots this year.
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
What medical facts are there Doc?
Don't use your position as a doctor to assume you know about every collision that happens the the footy field.
All I said it looked soft, and it does. Maybe we should do a poll as you need to feel more comfortable with people backing your opinion. :thumbsup
"Concussion is a brain injury and is defined as a complex physiological process affecting the brain, induced by biomechanical forces. Concussion may be caused by either a direct or indirect blow to the head, face, neck or body causing an impulsive force transmitted to the head."
http://sma.org.au/resources-advice/concussion/
In other words you don't need a direct blow. You only need to have the force transmitted to the head which is what happened to Ben. Now big tone, I don't know what you do for a living, but I would hesitate to say you know a lot more than I do about your area of work. So don't pretend you know anything about neurology and neuroscience because you clearly do not. I am not using my position here to do anything but just state facts.
Concussion is still an area where we a increasing our knowledge. What we don't need is armchair experts saying players are "soft" when all they can see is a distorted view through a TV lens that does not give you a 360 degree view of the incident. Sorry but that is just bulldust.
Thanks for your definition of concussion. You don't need to be a doctor to google that but thanks for letting us all know again that you are a doctor. I'm sure your family are really proud of you but on here you are just another poster with an opinion.
When I asked for facts I meant regarding the slight bump that Griff took. Not a definition on what it was and how you can get it.
What I will say as an armchair expert, I'm allowed to think someone is soft if I see it that way. I don't need you because you have a degree telling me what I see and don't see. I have said I think Biff is soft basically from day one of seeing him and watching him again go off on the weekend from what looked like an innocuous bump didn't change my mind. He missed last week with something else, but after 1 week he is right to play again.
I don't just think he is a bit soft because he has missed more games than he has played since being at the footy club but the way he plays. I feel he lacks desperation at the footy and at the man with the footy. When he hasn't got the footy and that's a lot, he is basically a liability to our side.
IMO he is a highlights package, he generally takes a nice mark a game and sometimes kicks a goal but he doesn't do much else to help the team. We have too many guys that are just not prepared to pay the price of what it takes to make us a great team again.
If I had my way I'd get rid of Biff and TV but if I had to keep one I'd keep TV. I see more in him than I see in Biff that would contribute to us being a better side. He is not as flashy but he hits the scoreboard and the last time I checked that is the name of the game.
Anyway I hope Griff is recovering well but I also hope he misses this week so we can see McBean.
You can tell SFA from the television set bt. How many games have you gone to this year if you don't mind me asking? Unless you have been going you have no idea how hard any of our players work off the ball. If you saw how hard Tyrone worked against Geelong you would not be wanting him back in the team at all. Griff kills him for work rate and one of the biggest problems with our side (and there are many) is that they just don't work hard enough. I believe this is one of McBeans biggest issues. However, I agree I'd rather he played this week just for the change.
One thing we both agree on though is that both Griff and Tyrone will be upgraded with Reece McKenzie, at least as a forward. Would love them to play both Reece and McBean this week. :thumbsup
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I agree. Throw Reece in the deep end and see how he goes. Won't be worse than Astbury.
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Griff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vickery.
That is all. :thumbsup
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
What medical facts are there Doc?
Don't use your position as a doctor to assume you know about every collision that happens the the footy field.
All I said it looked soft, and it does. Maybe we should do a poll as you need to feel more comfortable with people backing your opinion. :thumbsup
"Concussion is a brain injury and is defined as a complex physiological process affecting the brain, induced by biomechanical forces. Concussion may be caused by either a direct or indirect blow to the head, face, neck or body causing an impulsive force transmitted to the head."
http://sma.org.au/resources-advice/concussion/
In other words you don't need a direct blow. You only need to have the force transmitted to the head which is what happened to Ben. Now big tone, I don't know what you do for a living, but I would hesitate to say you know a lot more than I do about your area of work. So don't pretend you know anything about neurology and neuroscience because you clearly do not. I am not using my position here to do anything but just state facts.
Concussion is still an area where we a increasing our knowledge. What we don't need is armchair experts saying players are "soft" when all they can see is a distorted view through a TV lens that does not give you a 360 degree view of the incident. Sorry but that is just bulldust.
Thanks for your definition of concussion. You don't need to be a doctor to google that but thanks for letting us all know again that you are a doctor. I'm sure your family are really proud of you but on here you are just another poster with an opinion.
When I asked for facts I meant regarding the slight bump that Griff took. Not a definition on what it was and how you can get it.
What I will say as an armchair expert, I'm allowed to think someone is soft if I see it that way. I don't need you because you have a degree telling me what I see and don't see. I have said I think Biff is soft basically from day one of seeing him and watching him again go off on the weekend from what looked like an innocuous bump didn't change my mind. He missed last week with something else, but after 1 week he is right to play again.
I don't just think he is a bit soft because he has missed more games than he has played since being at the footy club but the way he plays. I feel he lacks desperation at the footy and at the man with the footy. When he hasn't got the footy and that's a lot, he is basically a liability to our side.
IMO he is a highlights package, he generally takes a nice mark a game and sometimes kicks a goal but he doesn't do much else to help the team. We have too many guys that are just not prepared to pay the price of what it takes to make us a great team again.
If I had my way I'd get rid of Biff and TV but if I had to keep one I'd keep TV. I see more in him than I see in Biff that would contribute to us being a better side. He is not as flashy but he hits the scoreboard and the last time I checked that is the name of the game.
Anyway I hope Griff is recovering well but I also hope he misses this week so we can see McBean.
You can tell SFA from the television set bt. How many games have you gone to this year if you don't mind me asking? Unless you have been going you have no idea how hard any of our players work off the ball. If you saw how hard Tyrone worked against Geelong you would not be wanting him back in the team at all. Griff kills him for work rate and one of the biggest problems with our side (and there are many) is that they just don't work hard enough. I believe this is one of McBeans biggest issues. However, I agree I'd rather he played this week just for the change.
One thing we both agree on though is that both Griff and Tyrone will be upgraded with Reece McKenzie, at least as a forward. Would love them to play both Reece and McBean this week. :thumbsup
I go every Melbourne game and usually do a couple of interstate trips, mostly to Perth or Adeliade. With a wife that works at the AFL level 2 on the wing is a pretty good vantage point to watch footy. Sometimes behind the glass by half time the way we go mostly these days. :cheers
I do watch a lot of footy and not just the Tigers, I don't rely on stats to form an opinion and I recon I can see something that others may not.
From day one, and WP can attest to this I haven't like the way Ellis plays, he gets heaps of footy but just isn't IMO a player that will take a club to where it wants to go.. I feel that way about Griff and even Astbury too.
But I do like what I see of Dea, he has improved his kicking and decision making, just like Rance did, is a terrific mark and spoil, is desperate and is as hard as a cats head. Some don't like Grimes but I think he is a real player and love the way Vlastuin goes about it. I love that Jack doesn't carry on like a twobob watch anymore when he kicks a goal and I think Morris is definitely in our best 22 as a lockdown small backman. Since he has been at the club not many small forwards have gotten a hold of us. We all know he isn't skillful, he doesn't get much footy but if he played on Thomas last week he doesn't kick 5 goals.
I see something in George in the twos and think McBean is a natural lead, mark forward. I'd be interested to know how many games of two's footy you have seen to say McBean plays small. Sure he is good at ground level but he is still a very good marking forward. He is definitely not a big pack mark but neither is your man Griff. Even Dunstall wasn't a big pack mark.
I was massive on us taking Jeff Gartlett about the middle of last year even before Carlton decided to get rid of him.
Watching Corey Ellis and Nathan Drummond the other day I'm not afraid to say i didn't see anything that got me excited about how they may turn out, but I didn't see anything I thought that showed they wouldn't.
I'm not sure what I see is the same as everyone else but it's what I see. Only time proves us right or wrong on these opinions but without sounding to cocky I'd back myself in most times when it comes to footy. :thumbsup
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oh dear oh dear. it is funny.
it really is swings and roundabouts on sites. they win and all is rosy they lose and all is doom and gloom. the feel good crowd are out in force and it is funny.
yes griffiths had a good game tonight as did 99% of his team mates good on him. lets talk up newman lets talk up houli morris batchelor grigg etc etc .
people if he couldnt get a kick tonight he never would. now lets see what happens when there is some real competition.
in fairness to him he had a decent game you cant ask much else in the circumstances but ffs why hang your hat on it.
yes in the past even in a big win we would get little out of him so its good he made a good contribution its a positive now he needs to produce against a good opponent and consistently.
mcguire was their best defender on the park with a first gamer and another 20 21 yr old kid ffs if ben didnt play well tonight he would never play well.
so much for perspective eh.
the difference is:
griffiths is 23 which is not old for a 200cm player. bachelor is a bit of a plodder, but at 23 there is some room for improvement?
Newman and Grigg are in the latter part of the football life hence there is little to no room for improvement. Thats the upsetting bit
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
What medical facts are there Doc?
Don't use your position as a doctor to assume you know about every collision that happens the the footy field.
All I said it looked soft, and it does. Maybe we should do a poll as you need to feel more comfortable with people backing your opinion. :thumbsup
"Concussion is a brain injury and is defined as a complex physiological process affecting the brain, induced by biomechanical forces. Concussion may be caused by either a direct or indirect blow to the head, face, neck or body causing an impulsive force transmitted to the head."
http://sma.org.au/resources-advice/concussion/
In other words you don't need a direct blow. You only need to have the force transmitted to the head which is what happened to Ben. Now big tone, I don't know what you do for a living, but I would hesitate to say you know a lot more than I do about your area of work. So don't pretend you know anything about neurology and neuroscience because you clearly do not. I am not using my position here to do anything but just state facts.
Concussion is still an area where we a increasing our knowledge. What we don't need is armchair experts saying players are "soft" when all they can see is a distorted view through a TV lens that does not give you a 360 degree view of the incident. Sorry but that is just bulldust.
Thanks for your definition of concussion. You don't need to be a doctor to google that but thanks for letting us all know again that you are a doctor. I'm sure your family are really proud of you but on here you are just another poster with an opinion.
When I asked for facts I meant regarding the slight bump that Griff took. Not a definition on what it was and how you can get it.
What I will say as an armchair expert, I'm allowed to think someone is soft if I see it that way. I don't need you because you have a degree telling me what I see and don't see. I have said I think Biff is soft basically from day one of seeing him and watching him again go off on the weekend from what looked like an innocuous bump didn't change my mind. He missed last week with something else, but after 1 week he is right to play again.
I don't just think he is a bit soft because he has missed more games than he has played since being at the footy club but the way he plays. I feel he lacks desperation at the footy and at the man with the footy. When he hasn't got the footy and that's a lot, he is basically a liability to our side.
IMO he is a highlights package, he generally takes a nice mark a game and sometimes kicks a goal but he doesn't do much else to help the team. We have too many guys that are just not prepared to pay the price of what it takes to make us a great team again.
If I had my way I'd get rid of Biff and TV but if I had to keep one I'd keep TV. I see more in him than I see in Biff that would contribute to us being a better side. He is not as flashy but he hits the scoreboard and the last time I checked that is the name of the game.
Anyway I hope Griff is recovering well but I also hope he misses this week so we can see McBean.
You can tell SFA from the television set bt. How many games have you gone to this year if you don't mind me asking? Unless you have been going you have no idea how hard any of our players work off the ball. If you saw how hard Tyrone worked against Geelong you would not be wanting him back in the team at all. Griff kills him for work rate and one of the biggest problems with our side (and there are many) is that they just don't work hard enough. I believe this is one of McBeans biggest issues. However, I agree I'd rather he played this week just for the change.
One thing we both agree on though is that both Griff and Tyrone will be upgraded with Reece McKenzie, at least as a forward. Would love them to play both Reece and McBean this week. :thumbsup
I go every Melbourne game and usually do a couple of interstate trips, mostly to Perth or Adeliade. With a wife that works at the AFL level 2 on the wing is a pretty good vantage point to watch footy. Sometimes behind the glass by half time the way we go mostly these days. :cheers
I do watch a lot of footy and not just the Tigers, I don't rely on stats to form an opinion and I recon I can see something that others may not.
From day one, and WP can attest to this I haven't like the way Ellis plays, he gets heaps of footy but just isn't IMO a player that will take a club to where it wants to go.. I feel that way about Griff and even Astbury too.
But I do like what I see of Dea, he has improved his kicking and decision making, just like Rance did, is a terrific mark and spoil, is desperate and is as hard as a cats head. Some don't like Grimes but I think he is a real player and love the way Vlastuin goes about it. I love that Jack doesn't carry on like a twobob watch anymore when he kicks a goal and I think Morris is definitely in our best 22 as a lockdown small backman. Since he has been at the club not many small forwards have gotten a hold of us. We all know he isn't skillful, he doesn't get much footy but if he played on Thomas last week he doesn't kick 5 goals.
I see something in George in the twos and think McBean is a natural lead, mark forward. I'd be interested to know how many games of two's footy you have seen to say McBean plays small. Sure he is good at ground level but he is still a very good marking forward. He is definitely not a big pack mark but neither is your man Griff. Even Dunstall wasn't a big pack mark.
I was massive on us taking Jeff Gartlett about the middle of last year even before Carlton decided to get rid of him.
Watching Corey Ellis and Nathan Drummond the other day I'm not afraid to say i didn't see anything that got me excited about how they may turn out, but I didn't see anything I thought that showed they wouldn't.
I'm not sure what I see is the same as everyone else but it's what I see. Only time proves us right or wrong on these opinions but without sounding to cocky I'd back myself in most times when it comes to footy. :thumbsup
WOWEE talk about tickets on oneself. The great guru who sees all, the guru who backs in the softest of the soft in Vickery but cant see it. the bloke who has one standard for players he likes and a differing one for others. Unbelievable the dribble some sprout. Why are so many people so full of themselves.
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
What medical facts are there Doc?
Don't use your position as a doctor to assume you know about every collision that happens the the footy field.
All I said it looked soft, and it does. Maybe we should do a poll as you need to feel more comfortable with people backing your opinion. :thumbsup
"Concussion is a brain injury and is defined as a complex physiological process affecting the brain, induced by biomechanical forces. Concussion may be caused by either a direct or indirect blow to the head, face, neck or body causing an impulsive force transmitted to the head."
http://sma.org.au/resources-advice/concussion/
In other words you don't need a direct blow. You only need to have the force transmitted to the head which is what happened to Ben. Now big tone, I don't know what you do for a living, but I would hesitate to say you know a lot more than I do about your area of work. So don't pretend you know anything about neurology and neuroscience because you clearly do not. I am not using my position here to do anything but just state facts.
Concussion is still an area where we a increasing our knowledge. What we don't need is armchair experts saying players are "soft" when all they can see is a distorted view through a TV lens that does not give you a 360 degree view of the incident. Sorry but that is just bulldust.
Thanks for your definition of concussion. You don't need to be a doctor to google that but thanks for letting us all know again that you are a doctor. I'm sure your family are really proud of you but on here you are just another poster with an opinion.
When I asked for facts I meant regarding the slight bump that Griff took. Not a definition on what it was and how you can get it.
What I will say as an armchair expert, I'm allowed to think someone is soft if I see it that way. I don't need you because you have a degree telling me what I see and don't see. I have said I think Biff is soft basically from day one of seeing him and watching him again go off on the weekend from what looked like an innocuous bump didn't change my mind. He missed last week with something else, but after 1 week he is right to play again.
I don't just think he is a bit soft because he has missed more games than he has played since being at the footy club but the way he plays. I feel he lacks desperation at the footy and at the man with the footy. When he hasn't got the footy and that's a lot, he is basically a liability to our side.
IMO he is a highlights package, he generally takes a nice mark a game and sometimes kicks a goal but he doesn't do much else to help the team. We have too many guys that are just not prepared to pay the price of what it takes to make us a great team again.
If I had my way I'd get rid of Biff and TV but if I had to keep one I'd keep TV. I see more in him than I see in Biff that would contribute to us being a better side. He is not as flashy but he hits the scoreboard and the last time I checked that is the name of the game.
Anyway I hope Griff is recovering well but I also hope he misses this week so we can see McBean.
You can tell SFA from the television set bt. How many games have you gone to this year if you don't mind me asking? Unless you have been going you have no idea how hard any of our players work off the ball. If you saw how hard Tyrone worked against Geelong you would not be wanting him back in the team at all. Griff kills him for work rate and one of the biggest problems with our side (and there are many) is that they just don't work hard enough. I believe this is one of McBeans biggest issues. However, I agree I'd rather he played this week just for the change.
One thing we both agree on though is that both Griff and Tyrone will be upgraded with Reece McKenzie, at least as a forward. Would love them to play both Reece and McBean this week. :thumbsup
I go every Melbourne game and usually do a couple of interstate trips, mostly to Perth or Adeliade. With a wife that works at the AFL level 2 on the wing is a pretty good vantage point to watch footy. Sometimes behind the glass by half time the way we go mostly these days. :cheers
I do watch a lot of footy and not just the Tigers, I don't rely on stats to form an opinion and I recon I can see something that others may not.
From day one, and WP can attest to this I haven't like the way Ellis plays, he gets heaps of footy but just isn't IMO a player that will take a club to where it wants to go.. I feel that way about Griff and even Astbury too.
But I do like what I see of Dea, he has improved his kicking and decision making, just like Rance did, is a terrific mark and spoil, is desperate and is as hard as a cats head. Some don't like Grimes but I think he is a real player and love the way Vlastuin goes about it. I love that Jack doesn't carry on like a twobob watch anymore when he kicks a goal and I think Morris is definitely in our best 22 as a lockdown small backman. Since he has been at the club not many small forwards have gotten a hold of us. We all know he isn't skillful, he doesn't get much footy but if he played on Thomas last week he doesn't kick 5 goals.
I see something in George in the twos and think McBean is a natural lead, mark forward. I'd be interested to know how many games of two's footy you have seen to say McBean plays small. Sure he is good at ground level but he is still a very good marking forward. He is definitely not a big pack mark but neither is your man Griff. Even Dunstall wasn't a big pack mark.
I was massive on us taking Jeff Gartlett about the middle of last year even before Carlton decided to get rid of him.
Watching Corey Ellis and Nathan Drummond the other day I'm not afraid to say i didn't see anything that got me excited about how they may turn out, but I didn't see anything I thought that showed they wouldn't.
I'm not sure what I see is the same as everyone else but it's what I see. Only time proves us right or wrong on these opinions but without sounding to cocky I'd back myself in most times when it comes to footy. :thumbsup
WOWEE talk about tickets on oneself. The great guru who sees all, the guru who backs in the softest of the soft in Vickery but cant see it. the bloke who has one standard for players he likes and a differing one for others. Unbelievable the dribble some sprout. Why are so many people so full of themselves.
Welcome back Claw.
Still sore about me calling you out on Rance I see. :shh
On what I wrote it was more about saying what I see, it does sound cocky and I did say in my post it was but I think by naming players and what I think about them opens me up for criticism but I'm ok with that. You do the same and I don't agree with much you say but at least you put yourself out there. Some spineless jellyfish on here post under different names to avoid being called out.
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Griff was the only ruckman to match / nullify NickNat in the centre bounces , it was too late but at least when he was in the centre bounces the opposition didn't just have a free run- good effort really
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Griff was the only ruckman to match / nullify NickNat in the centre bounces , it was too late but at least when he was in the centre bounces the opposition didn't just have a free run- good effort really
Agreed, thought he could've been moved earlier.
Ivvy looks broken again
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Sometimes the most innocuous blows can give you concussion. Some people on this forum are just plain ignorant on what this is all about.
Softness has NOTHING to do with it.
If the guy was jumping up and down and writhing in agony because someone slapped him, that would be "soft".
Just get your medical facts correct before you all make ridiculous comments.
What medical facts are there Doc?
Don't use your position as a doctor to assume you know about every collision that happens the the footy field.
All I said it looked soft, and it does. Maybe we should do a poll as you need to feel more comfortable with people backing your opinion. :thumbsup
"Concussion is a brain injury and is defined as a complex physiological process affecting the brain, induced by biomechanical forces. Concussion may be caused by either a direct or indirect blow to the head, face, neck or body causing an impulsive force transmitted to the head."
http://sma.org.au/resources-advice/concussion/
In other words you don't need a direct blow. You only need to have the force transmitted to the head which is what happened to Ben. Now big tone, I don't know what you do for a living, but I would hesitate to say you know a lot more than I do about your area of work. So don't pretend you know anything about neurology and neuroscience because you clearly do not. I am not using my position here to do anything but just state facts.
Concussion is still an area where we a increasing our knowledge. What we don't need is armchair experts saying players are "soft" when all they can see is a distorted view through a TV lens that does not give you a 360 degree view of the incident. Sorry but that is just bulldust.
Thanks for your definition of concussion. You don't need to be a doctor to google that but thanks for letting us all know again that you are a doctor. I'm sure your family are really proud of you but on here you are just another poster with an opinion.
When I asked for facts I meant regarding the slight bump that Griff took. Not a definition on what it was and how you can get it.
What I will say as an armchair expert, I'm allowed to think someone is soft if I see it that way. I don't need you because you have a degree telling me what I see and don't see. I have said I think Biff is soft basically from day one of seeing him and watching him again go off on the weekend from what looked like an innocuous bump didn't change my mind. He missed last week with something else, but after 1 week he is right to play again.
I don't just think he is a bit soft because he has missed more games than he has played since being at the footy club but the way he plays. I feel he lacks desperation at the footy and at the man with the footy. When he hasn't got the footy and that's a lot, he is basically a liability to our side.
IMO he is a highlights package, he generally takes a nice mark a game and sometimes kicks a goal but he doesn't do much else to help the team. We have too many guys that are just not prepared to pay the price of what it takes to make us a great team again.
If I had my way I'd get rid of Biff and TV but if I had to keep one I'd keep TV. I see more in him than I see in Biff that would contribute to us being a better side. He is not as flashy but he hits the scoreboard and the last time I checked that is the name of the game.
Anyway I hope Griff is recovering well but I also hope he misses this week so we can see McBean.
You can tell SFA from the television set bt. How many games have you gone to this year if you don't mind me asking? Unless you have been going you have no idea how hard any of our players work off the ball. If you saw how hard Tyrone worked against Geelong you would not be wanting him back in the team at all. Griff kills him for work rate and one of the biggest problems with our side (and there are many) is that they just don't work hard enough. I believe this is one of McBeans biggest issues. However, I agree I'd rather he played this week just for the change.
One thing we both agree on though is that both Griff and Tyrone will be upgraded with Reece McKenzie, at least as a forward. Would love them to play both Reece and McBean this week. :thumbsup
I go every Melbourne game and usually do a couple of interstate trips, mostly to Perth or Adeliade. With a wife that works at the AFL level 2 on the wing is a pretty good vantage point to watch footy. Sometimes behind the glass by half time the way we go mostly these days. :cheers
I do watch a lot of footy and not just the Tigers, I don't rely on stats to form an opinion and I recon I can see something that others may not.
From day one, and WP can attest to this I haven't like the way Ellis plays, he gets heaps of footy but just isn't IMO a player that will take a club to where it wants to go.. I feel that way about Griff and even Astbury too.
But I do like what I see of Dea, he has improved his kicking and decision making, just like Rance did, is a terrific mark and spoil, is desperate and is as hard as a cats head. Some don't like Grimes but I think he is a real player and love the way Vlastuin goes about it. I love that Jack doesn't carry on like a twobob watch anymore when he kicks a goal and I think Morris is definitely in our best 22 as a lockdown small backman. Since he has been at the club not many small forwards have gotten a hold of us. We all know he isn't skillful, he doesn't get much footy but if he played on Thomas last week he doesn't kick 5 goals.
I see something in George in the twos and think McBean is a natural lead, mark forward. I'd be interested to know how many games of two's footy you have seen to say McBean plays small. Sure he is good at ground level but he is still a very good marking forward. He is definitely not a big pack mark but neither is your man Griff. Even Dunstall wasn't a big pack mark.
I was massive on us taking Jeff Gartlett about the middle of last year even before Carlton decided to get rid of him.
Watching Corey Ellis and Nathan Drummond the other day I'm not afraid to say i didn't see anything that got me excited about how they may turn out, but I didn't see anything I thought that showed they wouldn't.
I'm not sure what I see is the same as everyone else but it's what I see. Only time proves us right or wrong on these opinions but without sounding to cocky I'd back myself in most times when it comes to footy. :thumbsup
WOWEE talk about tickets on oneself. The great guru who sees all, the guru who backs in the softest of the soft in Vickery but cant see it. the bloke who has one standard for players he likes and a differing one for others. Unbelievable the dribble some sprout. Why are so many people so full of themselves.
Welcome back Claw.
Still sore about me calling you out on Rance I see. :shh
On what I wrote it was more about saying what I see, it does sound cocky and I did say in my post it was but I think by naming players and what I think about them opens me up for criticism but I'm ok with that. You do the same and I don't agree with much you say but at least you put yourself out there. Some spineless jellyfish on here post under different names to avoid being called out.
Never left BT. Just refuse to be around here as much putting up with those spineless jellyfish as you put it.
Sore about Rance?? na just thought id return fire.If you dish it out you should expect a bit back. Like you i write about what i see. I went thru the whole Rance thread and there was just one comment i regret, i made hundreds of them. I stand by what i have said about him, in fact to big note myself i reckon ive been almost totally right as ive gone along.
Any way you still over rate him and think him the best defender in the league. Me i still have some issues with him.
It is good to see someone else willing to put it out there regardless of the nuffies. At the end of the day all we post is opinions, people can agree or disagree who gives a toss they can like it or lump it.
Reckon with me ONLY posting once a month or so, someone else will become the new target. Good luck with that.
Any way happy posting i will keep an eye out for your posts when im in here. I may think you get plenty wrong but you at least put it all on the line.
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Griff was the only ruckman to match / nullify NickNat in the centre bounces , it was too late but at least when he was in the centre bounces the opposition didn't just have a free run- good effort really
I noticed that too, why the bleedin heck didn't we leave him in the ruck then ::)
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:lol
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A match made in heaven....
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I went thru the whole Rance thread and there was just one comment i regret,
I'd love to know what it was that you admit to getting wrong
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I went thru the whole Rance thread and there was just one comment i regret,
I'd love to know what it was that you admit to getting wrong
That he wouldn't jump into the sack with big tone unless he conceded Rance was a hack ;D
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What did we think of Ben's game last night?
Another poor game IMO. I don't even remember seeing him to be honest. His last 2 weeks have been even below his moderate standards.
He just doesn't seem to be able to get involved enough.
In his last 7 games he averages less than a goal a game and only touches the pill 10 times a game.
He has averaged 3 marks a game and under 2 tackles a game also.
Is he doing enough?
People criticize Vickery and he isn't half the athlete than Ben is but seems to get involved in games more and for longer.
Are we better off playing someone smaller and more agile if we continue to let teams have an extra backman in our forward line?
I'm happy to admit I don't think much of Griff but I don't think anyone can defend his lack of output of late.
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Very average last night. But he is not as versatile and nimble as Vickery and Jack and he struggled with the conditions. He did try but he couldn't get anything going.
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Was moved to the wing to change things up which opened up the forward line. Played his role :clapping
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His form has tailed off the last two weeks but the third tall exposed Sydney's lack of big bodied defenders thus leaving Jack on Rampe for much of the game. The third tall option is working well though and that has been one of the factors that has turned our season around.
I'd give him another go or two and if he struggles could be time for McBean for a block of matches.
We have got through Vickery's struggles. We'll get through Griff's.
We'll be better for it. :thumbsup
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Some might want to watch the game again.
Griff played on Reid for a lot of the night. Anyone remember seeing Reid at all? Jack was able to dominate because Griff took Reid away from him leaving only Grundy and Rampe to go with Jack. Did the team thing.
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Some might want to watch the game again.
Griff played on Reid for a lot of the night. Anyone remember seeing Reid at all? Jack was able to dominate because Griff took Reid away from him leaving only Grundy and Rampe to go with Jack. Did the team thing.
Yes good point actually. Reid was around in the first and a bit in the second but disappeared afer that.. :thumbsup
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Some might want to watch the game again.
Griff played on Reid for a lot of the night. Anyone remember seeing Reid at all? Jack was able to dominate because Griff took Reid away from him leaving only Grundy and Rampe to go with Jack. Did the team thing.
Great point
The other thing is part of his job, ditto Tyrone and Jack is that if they pent mark the thing they are to bring it to ground, create a contest. He that last night and then kept Ried away from said pcntest
His first half was awful (wasn't alone there) but his 2nd half was solid. Played his role and when he and Ty rotated through the middle it worked a treat
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Trade for Carlisle.
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Some might want to watch the game again.
Griff played on Reid for a lot of the night. Anyone remember seeing Reid at all? Jack was able to dominate because Griff took Reid away from him leaving only Grundy and Rampe to go with Jack. Did the team thing.
Spot on. Played his role very well indeed :clapping
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Agree.
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Another injury!
Enough said really!!
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Was up and about before it happened
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Another injury!
Enough said really!!
yeah, nearly as soft as Phil Hughes.
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I'm not sure he tries to get injuries, but who knows, some like to feel a bit of self inflicted pain from time to time, so I have heard!
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Another injury!
Enough said really!!
yeah, nearly as soft as Phil Hughes.
If we'd blooded McKenzie for this easy victory, we would've had it wrapped up even sooner....
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:lol
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Dr Larkins reckons he's been carrying a shoulder problem all year, yesterday made it worse with the "sub-luxing" (or whatever they call it - Dr YBBB" hellp please) of his AC joint
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Dr Larkins reckons he's been carrying a shoulder problem all year, yesterday made it worse with the "sub-luxing" (or whatever they call it - Dr YBBB" hellp please) of his AC joint
Subluxation is a term that is used to describe a partial dislocation of the joint WP. I heard Griff re-injured one of his shoulders over the summer and as such, has become "loose". He has done well to come this far without medical intervention. It is a little like Steve Morris last year. He'll probably need it "tightened up" sooner or later. The problem he has is that both shoulders have already been reconstructed. One required bone grafting. So operating again is not that straight forward. I may be able to talk to his surgeon, who I know personally but haven't seen for a while, for more information.
Edit: As long as the information is such that I am allowed to divulge it! ;)
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Bean :shh
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His wings are clipped.
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Doc Larkins reckons Griffs could still play this week with strapping on the crook shoulder.
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Richmond forward Ben Griffiths was substituted out of the Tigers' win over Greater Western Sydney in the third quarter on Saturday after suffering a partial dislocation, or subluxation, of his shoulder.
Larkins said Griffiths had been carrying a shoulder problem for some time and should be not be sidelined by Saturday's injury.
“It's a condition that Richmond knows about. They might do some extra scans to see if he's done any additional damage but it's likely he'll be able to continue playing with strapping," Larkins said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-06/doc-larkins-injury-update-round-14
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In Newmans press conference it sounded like big Ben will have a few weeks off with his shoulder :thumbsdown
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Griff to miss 2-3 weeks
See
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-07-07/griffiths-to-miss-carlton-clash
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Plasticine man
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Rate the following scenarios from "best case" to "worst case":
A)WADA appeal succeeds.
B)WADA appeal fails but we trade Griffiths for Carlisle.
C)WADA appeal succeeds after we trade Griffiths for Carlisle.
D)WADA appeal fails but we don't trade Griffiths for Carlisle.
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was just starting to come good
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We're not getting rid of him.
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We should for Carlisle
They need a forward, we need a backman. Match made in heaven
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Griff won't be traded , we will chase midfielders and a class ruckman if available
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Broken again :snidegrin
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We should for Carlisle
They need a forward, we need a backman. Match made in heaven
LMAO
They need a team and a coach.
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Even I wouldn't trade Hardwick for Hird.
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We should for Carlisle
They need a forward, we need a backman. Match made in heaven
LMAO
They need a team and a coach.
Not in Hirds opinion :shh
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Doc Larkins said the Tigers might have to put Griffiths in for a major operation later this year.
"Griffiths had a subluxation of his shoulder and had a minor clean-up, they didn't do a reco of his shoulder. It is quite an unusual operation to do that," Larkins said.
"But it means they were happy for him not to have the full reco which would have seen him miss three months. They're going to see how he trains over the next three weeks with a view to playing, maybe they need a bigger job at the end of the year.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-10/late-mail-live-round-15
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Will play next week
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Actually missed Griff tonight. Nobody to take pack marks. Vickery was weak all night in attack.
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Vickery was weak all night in attack.
I don't agree with that. I thought Vickery's game was reasonable and he worked well when up forward and on the ball.
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Vickery was weak all night in attack.
I don't agree with that. I thought Vickery's game was reasonable and he worked well when up forward and on the ball.
I agree, considering he had s tooth knocked out I though he held it together and played well all things considered....
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Vickery was very good no doubt about it :clapping
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vickery got better as the game wore on.
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Vickery was horrid most of the game. Last quarter he did some good stuff but that was it. Some of his "Marking Attempts" well Im not sure how to describe them.
But this thread is about Griff and we did miss him tonight, as Hardwick said in his post match. He straightens them up. Hope he is back soon.
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I've liked him since he came back in the side, he gets involved in the game for longer periods now and has more impact, rather than the typical 1-2 cheapies in junk time, he demands the ball and clunks some big grabs now. Liking his ruck work
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hardly a night for tall forwards last night
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Delay his return and get him primed for finals when conditions are generally dryer and better suited for talls :shh
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I would like:
Griff chb. Tell him to kick it 80 metres
Chaplin out
Astbury or McKenzie. Or mcbean. Fwd
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I would like:
Griff chb. Tell him to kick it 80 metres
That worked so well last time ::)
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I would like:
Griff chb. Tell him to kick it 80 metres
That worked so well last time ::)
Chaplin ain't working now son
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Like it or not, despite all his deficiencies, he is providing us with something that no one else has shown they can and that's being our 2nd tall back who can hold his own (at times).
Definitely need an upgrade though
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Chaplin is doing enough.
Anybody who thought Vickery was effective when isolated in the F50 was clearly fondling themselves instead of watching the game. He was weak, slow and disinterested for about 80% of the night.
Needed Griffiths. He's a better pack mark.
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Which players are missing most in front of goal at your club in 2015?
Lauren Wood
Herald-Sun
July 22, 2015
Who are the culprits when it comes to wastefulness at your club? You know, the blokes that leave you with your heart in your mouth every time they have a shot at the big sticks.
With the help of the stats experts at Champion Data, we’ve analysed players from every club who have had 20 or more shots at goal this season for the lowest return.
You might be surprised by the results.
RICHMOND
Ben Griffiths
Games — 11
Return — 12.10 from 28 shots
Accuracy — 43%
http://www.news.com.au/national/which-players-are-missing-most-in-front-of-goal-at-your-club-in-2015/story-e6frfkp9-1227452593075
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What the stuff is wrong with this bloke? Dies anyone know?
Takes a mark and goes does like his been shot. Gets tackled and coked up holding his head like his been wounded.
Il say this IMO he seems like the biggest softie currently in our team. 200 cms is he?
Can't kick can't mark, his spot so far only saved by his age
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What the stuff is wrong with this bloke? Dies anyone know?
Takes a mark and goes does like his been shot. Gets tackled and coked up holding his head like his been wounded.
Il say this IMO he seems like the biggest softie currently in our team. 200 cms is he?
Can't kick can't mark, his spot so far only saved by his age
Mummy's boy that always got a band-aid for a boo-boo.
Just a big mummy's boy baby that needs to toughen up.
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No confidence at set shots, has completely lost it when shooting for goals. Need to bring in Vickery for Griff and get Griff back to the basics in the two's. Wont happen now with Hampson hurt.
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If McBean was giving the same output people would be saying he isn't ready, yet this bloke jogs around without doing much but nothing is said. He just doesn't contribute enough consistently.
Trade him and hopefully get something good in return.
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His run up when shooting for goal is too short. He gets to close too the man on the mark. Yesterday he was diabolical all day. One of our worst yesterday. I would drop him for yesterdays effort. You cant play league footy if you don't want to impose yourself on the game and yesterday he was MIA. I have rated Griff for what he could bring but yesterday he was just a lamp post on the ground. Shocking performance.
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Looks like Tarzan , plays like Jane .
Mechanically looks like he has a fantastic technique - but this is one guy I wouldn't want kicking for my life.
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Was poor yesterday. Looked underdone. Was often putting one arm up to take a mark. Clearly still favouring his shoulder.
I was saying during the game that a fit McBean would have been a much better option yesterday. He needs time to get his body right. It didn't look right yesterday.
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Was poor yesterday. Looked underdone. Was often putting one arm up to take a mark. Clearly still favouring his shoulder.
I was saying during the game that a fit McBean would have been a much better option yesterday. He needs time to get his body right. It didn't look right yesterday.
Agree with this. He clearly wasn't moving like he normally would and he wasn't going for his marks with any confidence.
:pray he improves this week as he is very important for us!
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Disappointing match!
If he isn't 100% play Astbury!
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He didnt look right at all, but he's a crap set shot regardless.
Vickery or Mcbean please.
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Was poor yesterday. Looked underdone. Was often putting one arm up to take a mark. Clearly still favouring his shoulder.
I was saying during the game that a fit McBean would have been a much better option yesterday. He needs time to get his body right. It didn't look right yesterday.
thanks for reminding me and not for the first time either he has done this.
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He didnt look right at all, but he's a crap set shot regardless.
Used to be a dead eyed dick. What's happened?
We desperately need to invest in a decent forwards coach.
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Was poor yesterday. Looked underdone. Was often putting one arm up to take a mark. Clearly still favouring his shoulder.
I was saying during the game that a fit McBean would have been a much better option yesterday. He needs time to get his body right. It didn't look right yesterday.
Though thought when he went into the ruck, due to his leap he gave us first use a fair bit
Actually really liked him as the ruck chop out yesterday
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Takes a mark and goes does like his been shot.
Did his ankle earlier in the game much the same as Hampson, only one of them was tough enough to play through it :shh
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Should be dropped for Mcbean , does it every week
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Looks like he'll miss the rest of the season.....
http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-07-28/surgery-for-griffiths-ellis
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Gorrrrrrn
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Send him up to Uncle Leppa.
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Dud
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Dud
Why hold back bt? Tell us what you really think!!!! ;D
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From Benny Griffiths' interview from up in Cairns:
* "The way I’m going at the moment, I’m definitely pushing myself to new levels. I’ve trimmed down a little bit just to try and increase my endurance base. But, for me, the main thing’s contested marking, as it is for most of the taller guys".
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-12-17/its-big-ben-time
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From Benny Griffiths' interview from up in Cairns:
* "The way I’m going at the moment, I’m definitely pushing myself to new levels. I’ve trimmed down a little bit just to try and increase my endurance base. But, for me, the main thing’s contested marking, as it is for most of the taller guys".
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-12-17/its-big-ben-time
Less talk more walk.
Get it done on the field
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Should have been traded out. Lacks intensity and aggression. and how to say it lacks the ability to get involved enough lacks mongrel for want of a better way to say it.
His contested marking in particular when out of the fwd line has always been pretty decent.Has shown hardly anything as a fwd but when pinch hitting in the ruck has shown glimpses around the ground.
He needs a real good year there can be no more excuses, it really is time to deliver or pee off.
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She's going well, claw.
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She's going well, claw.
lol when hasnt she.
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I think we need to play him on the wing, if the RFC had the balls to do the right thing and drop McIntosh for being an under performing mediocre slug a spot would be open and BBBG would be our wing swing man
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Ruck or new Chaplin
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Should've been traded for Cokelisle. :shh
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Needles
Rance
Grimes
Sigh
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I think we need to play him on the wing, if the RFC had the balls to do the right thing and drop McIntosh for being an under performing mediocre slug a spot would be open and BBBG would be our wing swing man
Can't tell if you're being serious or not.
But JIC, you think he has the tank to play on the wing? Sure Richo managed it as a big man, but then he could have made the Olympics as a 400/800m runner.
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I think we need to play him on the wing, if the RFC had the balls to do the right thing and drop McIntosh for being an under performing mediocre slug a spot would be open and BBBG would be our wing swing man
Can't tell if you're being serious or not.
Not sure which post is funnier here - Chucky's or Dougey's.
:lol
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Claw hacked him :lol
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I think we need to play him on the wing, if the RFC had the balls to do the right thing and drop McIntosh for being an under performing mediocre slug a spot would be open and BBBG would be our wing swing man
Can't tell if you're being serious or not.
Not sure which post is funnier here - Chucky's or Dougey's.
:lol
I just read through the K Mac thread before. Touche.... :lol
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;D :thumbsup
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Video of the Sandilands incident:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=830037070458819
Watching that replay, Sandilands has to cop a suspension. He turned and looked at Griffs and then decided to bump with the shoulder which hit Griffs in the head. Given Griffs didn't play the rest of the game then contact was forceful enough to warrant a suspension for Sandilands.
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Never like to see someone get hurt. However, I thought Ben was particularly unimpressive in the time he was out there.
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pee this spud off and unleash The Bean!
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Video of the Sandilands incident:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=830037070458819
Watching that replay, Sandilands has to cop a suspension. He turned and looked at Griffs and then decided to bump with the shoulder which hit Griffs in the head. Given Griffs didn't play the rest of the game then contact was forceful enough to warrant a suspension for Sandilands.
x2, I called this last night. If he doesn't go it will be a farce.
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Never like to see someone get hurt. However, I thought Ben was particularly unimpressive in the time he was out there.
x2. Keeps recieving opportunities. Im not sure why
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Was poor pre-injury. Worrying player.
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I thought he was poor too.
However he was rucking against Sandilands and he is too short and now too lean to do that.
IMHO he needs to do less running and put on more muscle and impose himself up forward. I think the match committee has erred in his role in the team. Because of this he has gone backwards.
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Video of the Sandilands incident:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=830037070458819
Watching that replay, Sandilands has to cop a suspension. He turned and looked at Griffs and then decided to bump with the shoulder which hit Griffs in the head. Given Griffs didn't play the rest of the game then contact was forceful enough to warrant a suspension for Sandilands.
x2, I called this last night. If he doesn't go it will be a farce.
Must get weeks for that as it was deliberate, high and resulted in Ben getting concussion. 2 - 3 weekd for mine.
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Should (and will are two different things) get a few weeks for that.
It looks to me like he knew Dawson was going 3rd man up and his only intention was to bump Griffiths out of the contest, got him high as he turned his head at the last moment but made sure he made enough contact.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-22/fremantles-aaron-sandilands-set-to-miss-one-match-after-bump-on-ben-griffiths
FREMANTLE ruckman Aaron Sandilands could miss the Dockers' round one clash against the Western Bulldogs after being found guilty of rough conduct by the Match Review Panel on Monday.
Despite the offence occurring in the first round of the NAB Challenge against Richmond, Sandilands must serve the penalty in the regular season after his bump was classified careless conduct with medium impact to the head.
The ruckman made high contact to key forward Ben Griffiths' head during a ruck duel in the third quarter of the clash in Mandurah last Friday night.
He moved to his left to block Griffiths' run, with the Tigers using a third-man up in the contest.
The original penalty was two matches, but Sandilands has no applicable record, giving him a one-match discount.
In the first case examined by the Match Review Panel this season, a medical report from the Tigers was used in settling the final penalty.
There were no other incidents assessed from the first round of NAB Challenge matches
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Griffs to also undergo a concussion test. Needs to tick the necessary boxes before being in the selection mix for Saturday’s NAB Challenge match against Hawthorn at Beaconsfield.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-02-23/key-forwards-to-face-tests-as-astbury-misses
Btw, Sandilands has accepted the one-week suspension for his high bump on Griffs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-23/fremantles-aaron-sandilands-set-to-miss-one-match-after-bump-on-ben-griffiths
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Ross Lyon not happy with Sandilands getting suspended for his high bump on Griffs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-24/thirdman-ruck-tactic-should-leave-afl-uncomfortable-lyon
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Ross Lyon not happy with Sandilands getting suspended for his high bump on Griffs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-24/thirdman-ruck-tactic-should-leave-afl-uncomfortable-lyon
Lyon perfected the 3rd man up. He used it to beat us at Subiaco 3 years ago when Maric was held back by one ruckman and the other thumped the ball forward unopposed leading to a Freo goal on the buzzer to sink us.......
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From Benny Griffiths' interview from up in Cairns:
* "The way I’m going at the moment, I’m definitely pushing myself to new levels. I’ve trimmed down a little bit just to try and increase my endurance base. But, for me, the main thing’s contested marking, as it is for most of the taller guys".
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-12-17/its-big-ben-time
Less talk more walk.
Get it done on the field
:pray
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From Benny Griffiths' interview from up in Cairns:
* "The way I’m going at the moment, I’m definitely pushing myself to new levels. I’ve trimmed down a little bit just to try and increase my endurance base. But, for me, the main thing’s contested marking, as it is for most of the taller guys".
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-12-17/its-big-ben-time
Nothing has changed a couple of good moments and then nothing.He has absolutely no intensity or mongrel.
Less talk more walk.
Get it done on the field
:pray
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From Benny Griffiths' interview from up in Cairns:
* "The way I’m going at the moment, I’m definitely pushing myself to new levels. I’ve trimmed down a little bit just to try and increase my endurance base. But, for me, the main thing’s contested marking, as it is for most of the taller guys".
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-12-17/its-big-ben-time
Nothing has changed a couple of good moments and then nothing.He has absolutely no intensity or mongrel.
Less talk more walk.
Get it done on the field
:pray
Contested marks round 1 - 0
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Took 1 mark from 47 1v1 contests last year. Didn't show anything last night to make me think he's improved that. We need to upgrade.
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Thought he played okay but maybe that's just comparing him to the rest of the junk
What was with the helmet?
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stop the idiot from getting knocked out, perhaps?
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He has a complex relating to his receding hairline
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Clearly fancies himself as the next Dunstall....
Was ok but didn't change my opinion one bit that we'll be far better served in the long run playing McBean, with Vickery in the ruck....
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He was ok
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On the negative side, he just didn't take enough marks, didn't impose himself on contests and was beaten in the ruck.
On the positive side, his field kicking was just great. Set up 3 of our goals with beautifully weighted kicks.
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On the negative side, he just didn't take enough marks, didn't impose himself on contests and was beaten in the ruck.
On the positive side, his field kicking was just great. Set up 3 of our goals with beautifully weighted kicks.
Agree. His field kicking is brilliant and could be a real weapon. Just gets the yips close to goal.
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Should've taken a few of the kick ins.....if you have a bloke who can easily clear the forward press then ffs at least use him occasionally...
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Should've taken a few of the kick ins.....if you have a bloke who can easily clear the forward press then ffs at least use him occasionally...
Fair point but I think the plan is for him to be on the end of a kick in ( as opposed to a Freo player).
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Should've taken a few of the kick ins.....if you have a bloke who can easily clear the forward press then ffs at least use him occasionally...
Fair point but I think the plan is for him to be on the end of a kick in ( as opposed to a Freo player).
He can't take a contested mark so not much point kicking it to him in that scenario
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Should've taken a few of the kick ins.....if you have a bloke who can easily clear the forward press then ffs at least use him occasionally...
Fair point but I think the plan is for him to be on the end of a kick in ( as opposed to a Freo player).
He can't take a contested mark so not much point kicking it to him in that scenario
Yes he can. He just hasn't done it in his last two games.
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Thought he played okay but maybe that's just comparing him to the rest of the junk
What was with the helmet?
Advised by the medicos to wear the helmet after the latest concussion compliments of Sandilands
He has had a fair few concussions over the course of his footy career (seniors & juniors)
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Should've taken a few of the kick ins.....if you have a bloke who can easily clear the forward press then ffs at least use him occasionally...
Fair point but I think the plan is for him to be on the end of a kick in ( as opposed to a Freo player).
He can't take a contested mark so not much point kicking it to him in that scenario
Yes he can. He just hasn't done it in his last two games.
He averaged less than one contested mark a game last year (well below AFL average for KPF) and marked 1 of the 47 1 v 1 contests he was involved in (worst in the league for KPF).
For someone who's a physical specimen these are damning statistics
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Should've taken a few of the kick ins.....if you have a bloke who can easily clear the forward press then ffs at least use him occasionally...
Fair point but I think the plan is for him to be on the end of a kick in ( as opposed to a Freo player).
He can't take a contested mark so not much point kicking it to him in that scenario
Yes he can. He just hasn't done it in his last two games.
He averaged less than one contested mark a game last year (well below AFL average for KPF) and marked 1 of the 47 1 v 1 contests he was involved in (worst in the league for KPF).
For someone who's a physical specimen these are damning statistics
That's what makes him so frustrating I guess. Stats vs visual proof that it can be done maligns him
http://youtu.be/LpDN1D5FXV8
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If I recall correctly - after Benny took that spectacular mark - he missed the relatively easy shot at goal.
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Benny is one of the best kicks in the side from a technical point of view. His field kicking on Thursday showed that.
What is obvious to me is that he has not been taught a constant routine when lining up for goal. He then gets the yips and has nothing to fall back on. The best shots at goal go through exactly the same routine every time they have a shot. Same distance from the man on the mark and same number of steps taken prior to the ball drop.
Maybe they should hire someone like Matthew Lloyd just to take him through a routine and learn it well.
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Benny is one of the best kicks in the side from a technical point of view. His field kicking on Thursday showed that.
What is obvious to me is that he has not been taught a constant routine when lining up for goal. He then gets the yips and has nothing to fall back on. The best shots at goal go through exactly the same routine every time they have a shot. Same distance from the man on the mark and same number of steps taken prior to the ball drop.
Maybe they should hire someone like Matthew Lloyd just to take him through a routine and learn it well.
We don't want Matthew Lloyd anywhere near the Tigers camp. Slap yourself & give yourself some medication :snidegrin
Disco would be ideal to give him some advice. Practice makes perfect.
l thought that was one of Griffiths better games :clapping
:gotigers
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If I recall correctly - after Benny took that spectacular mark - he missed the relatively easy shot at goal.
Yup, he did.
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alot of the senior players miss easy shots. Fatigue is the major factor.
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alot of the senior players miss easy shots. Fatigue is the major factor.
That was in the first quarter.
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alot of the senior players miss easy shots. Fatigue is the major factor.
It's all between the ears. Even Jack has days where he starts getting the yips and then tends to pass off the ball rather than have a shot himself.
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His best game in 12 months , most influential big man/follower on the ground :clapping
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His best game in 12 months , most influential big man/follower on the ground :clapping
Troll
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Played well from what i witnessed at the ground. Provided a contest when in the ruck unlike Hampson :whistle
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Played well from what i witnessed at the ground. Provided a contest when in the ruck unlike Hampson :whistle
^^^^^ :clapping
Yep
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Played well from what i witnessed at the ground. Provided a contest when in the ruck unlike Hampson :whistle
^^^^^ :clapping
Yep
Shh, Dont want everybody to know he is not crap and can play. That would give them one less player to complain about.
Even when watched on TV he was Ok and was far far from our worst. They just cant see it as they are predisposed with thier list of "crap players" that they want dropped and traded out.
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Played well from what i witnessed at the ground. Provided a contest when in the ruck unlike Hampson :whistle
^^^^^ :clapping
Yep
Shh, Dont want everybody to know he is not crap and can play. That would give them one less player to complain about.
Even when watched on TV he was Ok and was far far from our worst. They just cant see it as they are predisposed with thier list of "crap players" that they want dropped and traded out.
We are predisposed to wanting to put the best team on the park and improving the list so we can win a flag.
It could easily be argued that by potting posters who do this that you don't want to improve the list or be successful.
But we know the short sightedness of the rank and file don't have the presence of mind to comprehend the bigger picture.
And for the record, he went generally 'ok' Thurs night but needs to improve IMHO
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Should've taken a few of the kick ins.....if you have a bloke who can easily clear the forward press then ffs at least use him occasionally...
Been praying for years they would flip him to do kick outs. Barrel it 50% of the time and when the opposition loosens the press to accommodate, lead into space and kick it 30
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Played well from what i witnessed at the ground. Provided a contest when in the ruck unlike Hampson :whistle
^^^^^ :clapping
Yep
Shh, Dont want everybody to know he is not crap and can play. That would give them one less player to complain about.
Even when watched on TV he was Ok and was far far from our worst. They just cant see it as they are predisposed with thier list of "crap players" that they want dropped and traded out.
We are predisposed to wanting to put the best team on the park and improving the list so we can win a flag.
It could easily be argued that by potting posters who do this that you don't want to improve the list or be successful.
But we know the short sightedness of the rank and file don't have the presence of mind to comprehend the bigger picture.
And for the record, he went generally 'ok' Thurs night but needs to improve IMHO
Can't see where I potted any poster that wants to put the best team on the park as I think we all do. I just think posting "So and So" is crap or "????" should be traded is not only a pretty pontless exersise but simply wrong. Some of the pots this guy takes are just plain stupid and sometimes I think some of these posters dont watch the games at all. Sure he didnt kick 3 like Vickery but he had a hand in 3, got more or the ball than Vickery and handled the ruck much better yet he gets blasted. I didnt say he was brilliant just that he was ok and far from our worst. Sure he can improve but that not these guys are saying. We all have our favorites and ones we dont think should be in the team but all I ask is people watch the games and make base thier comments on the game not just some predesposed feeling about players. You dont have to be here long to realise that most of the comments are negative about players and I find that is sad for a board that is suposed for Tiger supporters.
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Played well from what i witnessed at the ground. Provided a contest when in the ruck unlike Hampson :whistle
^^^^^ :clapping
Yep
Shh, Dont want everybody to know he is not crap and can play. That would give them one less player to complain about.
Even when watched on TV he was Ok and was far far from our worst. They just cant see it as they are predisposed with thier list of "crap players" that they want dropped and traded out.
We are predisposed to wanting to put the best team on the park and improving the list so we can win a flag.
It could easily be argued that by potting posters who do this that you don't want to improve the list or be successful.
But we know the short sightedness of the rank and file don't have the presence of mind to comprehend the bigger picture.
And for the record, he went generally 'ok' Thurs night but needs to improve IMHO
Can't see where I potted any poster that wants to put the best team on the park as I think we all do. I just think posting "So and So" is crap or "????" should be traded is not only a pretty pontless exersise but simply wrong.
You did pot posters for wanting to put the best team on the pArk. Inherently, your quote:-
"they are predisposed with thier list of crap players that they want dropped and traded out."
Many posters want rubbish players out and better players in. Pretty simple. Pretty honest.
You take offence to this and had a go. If you're going to take cheap shots at posters calling actually rubbish players rubbish (which is a right of any poster) then be prepared to cop it back.
And by the way, perhaps if the club and players were actually good enough they wouldn't have to put the fans and members in the position to critique them so robustly. Honesty hurts.
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Perpetuators of misery.
FTL. :shh
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I think he's bit of a girl and needs to harden up.
But I do like him significantly more than the spud we got from the cheats. He can leap, mark, hand pass and kick the footy.
I think there is merit in having him as second ruck with Maric considering we don't have any other options. Hopefully we don't have to see the Hamspud again.
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Is he capable of playing first ruck ?
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Is he capable of playing first ruck ?
I think he is now too slim to compete against the big gorillas like Sandilands.
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Is he capable of playing first ruck ?
As has been said on numerous occasions no one could be worse than Hampson so yes I believe he would be able to play first ruck given the options we have available. Could be the making of him to be honest, get him involved in the game and build some confidence.
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Is he capable of playing first ruck ?
cant be worse than megan ?
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I reckon he went ok last week. I would keep playing him in the ruck.
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Thought had an okay game. His long kicking is a real asset.
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Five Griffiths long 70m kicks in the ruck
Is more useful than zero Megan kicks
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I reckon he went ok last week. I would keep playing him in the ruck.
^^^ x 2
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I reckon he went ok last week. I would keep playing him in the ruck.
^^^ x 2
I'm in
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Helmet the right fit for Griffiths
Herald-Sun
April 1, 2016
RICHMOND big man Ben Griffiths is expected to wear a helmet again against Collingwood to help protect himself from another concussion injury.
Griffiths, 24, wore the helmet for the first time in the narrow win over Carlton last week, believing he feels more comfortable with it on after suffering a head knock in the preseason.
The Herald Sun understands he planned to keep it on against the Pies at the MCG but was unsure whether it will stay in the long term.
The key forward missed two preseason games after suffering a bout of concussion, along with goalkicking teammate Ty Vickery, in Richmond’s first NAB Challenge game against Fremantle.
He joins Western Bulldogs’ Caleb Daniel as the only two current players to wear a helmet.
Former AFL club doctor Rohan White was at St Kilda when he encouraged Nathan Burke to wear a helmet after a series of significant head knocks.
Dr White said he advocated the use of helmets as something that could help lessen the impact of minor head knocks or glancing blows.
But he said they were unable to prevent concussions in the case of severe blows or heavy falls.
“I think they (helmets) work in certain circumstances,” White said.
“The official view of the AFL Doctors’ Association is that helmets will not stop a concussion if it is going to happen.
“If you are belted hard enough in the head, a helmet won’t necessarily assist you.
“The brain has a jelly-like consistency and when it smashes up against the front or back wall of your cranium, that’s what gives you the concussion injury.
“Where helmets are good is that they can help lessen the impact and the discomfort and pain of minor head knocks or glancing blows.
“Jimmy Bartel came off on Monday after copping a knee to the head from ‘Hodgey’ (Luke Hodge), and that’s probably one example where a helmet probably would have lessened the pain and discomfort for him in that situation.
“And they also help prevent lacerations and abrasions.”
Some experts believe helmets disadvantage players as they increase the surface area of their head, effectively making the target bigger.
The aesthetics of helmets has also been debated, with some claiming they can make players look less athletic.
But White said he believed Burke’s helmet assisted him throughout the five seasons he wore one towards the latter stages of his stellar 323-game career at St Kilda.
“He definitely thought it was helpful for him, but whether it reduced his number of significant head knocks is hard to determine,” he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/ben-griffiths-to-wear-helmet-against-collingwood-to-protect-against-further-head-knocks/news-story/3a5ee57fe1542d7f447bb7ad0f7f81d3
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Joel Selwood needs to wear a helmet too. :shh
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Keep it
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Needs a full body helmet
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I've never seen a bloke so physically 'strong' have less of a presence on the field. Astounding.
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Needs a full body helmet
More like he needs a full metal jacket!
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Can they wire in some form of electric shock therapy for when he squibs a contest or drops a mark, his head would most likely spontaneously combust by quarter time.
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FHO sick of his ineptness or seeming apathy
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I've always hoped that Griff could make it, but he lost me last night. I saw him squib three contests that ended badly for the team.
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four!
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Well I think he went well last night, definitely looked a better side with him in, another tall we need to keep.
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Drops too many marks for my liking. Does get his arms chopped a lot without getting a free but needs to put on more size as he is too easily pushed aside for a man of his height.
Would probably get us a second rounder.
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Has had one game back in the seniors probably due for an injury
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Yeah ain't that the truth..
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Thought he sucked.
Same as Vickery in that he is 200cm/100kg and can't smash a pack or knock a bloke over.
Was far bigger than his direct opponent all night and hardly got a statistic worth mentioning. Maybe 1 contested grab and junk time goal?
He tries more than Vickery I'll give him that but unfortunately he's not half the footballer Vickery has the talent to be.
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both he and vickery are useless, pee them off and reload
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This guy wears panties.
He is a big girl and someone should tell him to his face.
That's the problem at punt road. Too many back slappers that arent prepared to tell players they aren't good enough and that the standard of achievement is so low that anything that normally is expected of a modern day footballer is lauded with best on ground acheivements.
This bloke must have got the maccas voucher every weekend.
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Like the rest of them, He is also clearly not fit enough for the modern game too.
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Cant take a contested mark even when he is repeatedly in the best position and the tallest bloke in the pack.
Getting sick of it.
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1st one I'd have on the trade table,some one will bite.Built like Tarzan ... you know the rest.
He's been Hardwicked so its pointless to even bother anymore.
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:snidegrin
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Play for the rest of the year. Sick of Vickery ATM.
Get some trade currency!
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5. Ben Griffiths benefitted from a style change
The 24-year-old kicked five goals, three of them in the tense last quarter and one on the run with Ted Richards hot on his heels. It was a big moment for the much-maligned Griffiths, who stood tall when his team needed him. He benefitted from the Tigers' change in style after quarter-time, after they had 63 handballs and just 48 kicks in the first term, overusing the ball in tight against a team who knows how to pressure the opposition when in close. In the second quarter, the Tigers changed their approach and began to kick the ball, racking up 80 kicks and just 32 handballs as they drove the ball forward from clearances and spread the Swans defence. At times it went back and forth across the defensive 50, but the tactic drove the Sydney Swans mad and Richmond took 19 marks inside 50.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-14/five-talking-points-richmond-v-sydney-swans
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Super stuff Benny G helmet man!
Few pretty silly recent posts recently. Needs to string a few top games together now!
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Top 10 pick?
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Super stuff Benny G helmet man!
Few pretty silly recent posts recently. Needs to string a few top games together now!
He's deserves every post he gets that includes all the critical ones and all the praise he will get after tonight's performance. He's been a bloody disappointment and tonight performance showed us why. He needs to atleast try to maintain this level as a standard every week.
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Well I think he went well last night, definitely looked a better side with him in, another tall we need to keep.
:snidegrin :snidegrin :snidegrin :snidegrin
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Top 10 pick?
:cheers
Even Cleave Hughes had one decent game.
I'm not getting too excited just yet.
I recon there wouldn't be many on here that wanted him in the side, including his biggest fan YBB.
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Shows he can play at this level. Needs to be consistent. Played a good game. Clearly benefited from quicker delivery into forward line
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Top 10 pick?
:cheers
Even Cleave Hughes had one decent game.
I'm not getting too excited just yet.
I recon there wouldn't be many on here that wanted him in the side, including his biggest fan YBB.
You're right bt. Loved his performance last night but he needs to do this many more times to win me back.
He is the biggest tease down at the club. 200cm . Kicks 60m drop punts with ease. A very good hand baller for his size. Can take a grab.
However, he doesn't do it anywhere near enough. And that's an understatement!!!!!
At least DH gave him the forward line and gave him a chance though. Would like that forward set up a bit more in the future. Maybe this game will give him self belief. :cheers
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Best game last night for the helmeted one but can he continue to play at that level or will we see a return to softer stuff?
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Confidence player. Usually he looks shot, doesn't trust his own hands marking or his own foot to kick. Last night after a few cheap touches he started to believe he could actually do it and was attacking packs and pulled a couple down. Hopefully he doesn't go back into his shell after another bad game.
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Hopefully this is the game he needs to play with confidence.
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Confidence player. Usually he looks shot, doesn't trust his own hands marking or his own foot to kick. Last night after a few cheap touches he started to believe he could actually do it and was attacking packs and pulled a couple down. Hopefully he doesn't go back into his shell after another bad game.
Agree totally. Obviously belief is something our footy department are poor at instilling. That and a game plan that utilises the strengths in the team.
It's as if we need a Rudi Webster type back at the club. :whistle
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Super stuff Benny G helmet man!
Few pretty silly recent posts recently. Needs to string a few top games together now!
He's deserves every post he gets that includes all the critical ones and all the praise he will get after tonight's performance. He's been a bloody disappointment and tonight performance showed us why. He needs to atleast try to maintain this level as a standard every week.
X 2
Benefited from a couple of cheap frees that got his confidence up. Still don't think he's strong enough 1 v 1 but he looks much better on the lead at the moment.
Credit to him was very good for the last 2.5 quarters last night
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#StandByGriff
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Confidence player. Usually he looks shot, doesn't trust his own hands marking or his own foot to kick. Last night after a few cheap touches he started to believe he could actually do it and was attacking packs and pulled a couple down. Hopefully he doesn't go back into his shell after another bad game.
Agree totally. Obviously belief is something our footy department are poor at instilling. That and a game plan that utilises the strengths in the team.
It's as if we need a Rudi Webster type back at the club. :whistle
Just goes to show you don't need 22 superstars to win it. Coaches like Malthouse when he was at Collingwood, Clarkson, even Longmire manage to get that out of their plodders and second tier almost every week.
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I hope last night put his goal kicking yips to bed too.
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Well about time Griffiths showed what he can do on the big stage. Bring it every week from this point forward :thumbsup
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Great game playing on that gun Heath Grundy - reminded me of that time The Big Steamer bagged 6..... :clapping
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Interesting how a win suddenly changes everything about your list.
Maybe Griffiths is worth it after all. Plays like this for the rest of the year, BEllis finds more contested footy, Cotchin to come back in, Conca to find his 2013 form and start playing well, Yarran to start killing it off the half back, Vlastuin to start getting more gametime in the middle and be that hard contested body we've needed the whole time.
I dunno. Last night was definitely a tease. He was the player we've all been praying for but if he does that for the rest of the year, maybe he's worth a top 10 pick but I'd sure as hell be wanting to keep him.
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Cherry ripe for the taking?
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:lol
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I dunno. Last night was definitely a tease. He was the player we've all been praying for but if he does that for the rest of the year, maybe he's worth a top 10 pick but I'd sure as hell be wanting to keep him.
If he gets us a top 10 pick I'd take it and absolutely bolt. I'd rather keep him than Vickery but sadly I don't see us getting rid of him.
Cherry ripe for the taking?
More like he popped his cherry. Finally showed some balls
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If griff kicks a few more bags he will be worth top ten pick.
Isn't that right claw?
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Ben Griffiths has revealed a return to football fundamentals was the catalyst for him producing the best performance of his seven-season AFL career with Richmond, against Sydney at the MCG last Saturday night.
He went back to the basics in a bid to turn his form around, and it’s starting to pay dividends.
“I just had to worry about getting to the contest and winning them,” Griffiths told Triple M.
“For me, it’s all about the contest.
“That’s all I’m worried about, and then everything goes from there.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-05-18/big-ben-strikes
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needs to prove it wasnt a once off fluke
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What are the odds of him returning to his pre-sydney form?
$1.01?
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Benny G was building on some good form from the latter rounds in 2014. He was starting to get his hands on the ball give Maric a chop out in the ruck and jagged a few goals. Then poo happened and 2015 he kinda stunk it up. I hope to dear god he is able to build from the syd match
Todd Goldstein didn't really explode into the player he is until he was 25/26 so hoping to dear god it's just a case of big men taking longer to develop
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needs to prove it wasnt a once off fluke
Agreed .
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Tiger tall overcomes the self-doubt
Nathan Schmook
AFL.com.au
May 20, 2016
RICHMOND forward Ben Griffiths says he is starting to believe he can be an important part of his team after his breakout performance last Saturday night breathed life into the Tigers' season.
Griffiths, whose confidence has wavered this year, kicked a career-best five goals in Richmond's one-point win over the Sydney Swans, playing a match-winning role.
It was just his second game back after a stint in the VFL, and the 24-year-old said he now knew what he had to do to become the consistent forward the Tigers were desperate for him to be.
"I'm just starting to really believe how important I can be to the team," Griffiths told AFL.com.au.
"With a lot of injuries can come some self-doubt, and when you're not performing to the level you know you can, it can get frustrating.
"Everyone goes through a bit of self-doubt at times.
"I saw getting dropped as a really good opportunity to go back and really work on the basics."
Griffiths was arguably the most important player on the ground against the Swans, kicking three of his five goals in the fourth quarter to get his team into a position to win the game.
He said confidence and getting to as many contests as he could was the key to his performance.
"You've got to have that confidence and belief in your own ability to perform at the highest level," Griffiths said.
"Early on this season it (confidence) was pretty up and down, but I went back and I saw it as a really good opportunity to fine-tune a few things and really earn my spot back, which I feel like I did.
"It's about finding out what I did and doing it week-in, week-out from now on.
"For me it's all about the contest. I got to as many as I could and my game all flows from there."
Much like Griffiths individually, the Tigers as a team know that their win against the Swans will only have meaning if they can back it up against the winless Fremantle on Saturday night at Domain Stadium.
Griffiths said the Tigers took half an hour to enjoy last week's team-bonding win before moving into recovery mode.
"We can either rest on our laurels or work with what we've done," he said.
"We've had a solid block of training and we're seeing it come out in games now.
"We've got to take that into this week.
"We know Fremantle is incredibly good defensively and we need to come out with the right attitude and build on the momentum we gained last week."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-20/tiger-griffiths-overcomes-selfdoubt-to-believe-in-his-importance
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Different role tonight but good to Griffs back up last week with a decent game tonight. Not a night for talls but he lead up and marked well as a CHF and contested well in the ruck while giving Hampson a chop out. Hopefully, a sign he's now got some confidence and belief in himself at AFL level.
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Was solid. Can tell his attacking the footy with more conviction. Good to see in a difficult night for talls he backed up last week with a solid performance.
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Did the 1% ers well which to shows he's in form
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Was good actaully very good last night
Hardest I've ever seen him work off the contests and to get to contests
Great follow up from the week before
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His breaking out of his shell like the baby Dinosaur. ;D
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Typical Ben Griffiths.
In career best form .....taken off on a stretcher with a serious injury.
Could be a blessing if it finally forces Hardwick to play Mcbean.
Will just about abandon Richmond for the rest of the year if Chaplin is used as a forward. .
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He'll bring back Maric before McBean....hell, we probably see Chaplin, Astbury & Elton all tried forward before McBean....
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LMAO
2016 is a car wreck but dimmer won't admit it
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Made of glass ...
He almost went of hurt the game he kicked 5 old griff
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Made of glass ...
He almost went of hurt the game he kicked 5 old griff
Seriously you post rubbish
You spoil it for many with your comments
Guarantee you would say that to Bens face ?
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He's more injury prone the liverpool #9
The worst lies, are the ones you tell to yourself
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He's more injury prone the liverpool #9
The worst lies, are the ones you tell to yourself
Oh dear ::)
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It's not about what you would say to player x face
No doubt from a foot away griff looks like a man mountain
He's injury prone as they come. That's hardly controversial
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It's not about what you would say to player x face
No doubt from a foot away griff looks like a man mountain
He's injury prone as they come. That's hardly controversial
Pull your head in
Was severely concussed in NAB cup game
Gives his all
Even though Nuffers don't think so
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You bleat a lot
Essendon-like
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If they can't stay on the park them there is no point keepng them.
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"Pull your head in"
"If you don't like it support someone else"
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It's not about what you would say to player x face
No doubt from a foot away griff looks like a man mountain
He's injury prone as they come. That's hardly controversial
Pull your head in
Was severely concussed in NAB cup game
Gives his all
Even though Nuffers don't think so
Griffiths gives his all??
Even the Doc who was a massive fan has given up on this 200cm mash mellow.
It's ok to be positive mate but cut the crap. You are stating to sound like BoJo.
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If they can't stay on the park them there is no point keepng them.
Agreed - trade him & Grimes while they're still worth something....
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If jack is a genuine troll it's a brilliant effort annoying as buggery
the worse scenario is he is genuine
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Made of glass ...
He almost went of hurt the game he kicked 5 old griff
Seriously you post rubbish
You spoil it for many with your comments
Guarantee you would say that to Bens face ?
I'd tell him to his face he's a big girls blouse!
I'd tell Sideshow he's the dumbest & laziest footballer I've ever seen
I'd tell Chaplin to retire for the good of the club.
I'd tell Ellis that everyone hates him because he's soft.
I'd tell Jack to lift his work rate to an elite level because he can achieve it if he's willing to work harder.
I'd tell the coach the honourable thing to do is resign considering he lied and we haven't really improved in 7 years despite having more resources than Frawley & Wallace combined.
I'd tell Cotchin he should give the captaincy to Rance.
I'd tell Rance that JWs is a cult and easily prove it to him.
I'd have no problems with any of this at all.
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Made of glass ...
He almost went of hurt the game he kicked 5 old griff
Seriously you post rubbish
You spoil it for many with your comments
Guarantee you would say that to Bens face ?
I'd tell him to his face he's a big girls blouse!
I'd tell Sideshow he's the dumbest & laziest footballer I've ever seen
I'd tell Chaplin to retire for the good of the club.
I'd tell Ellis that everyone hates him because he's soft.
I'd tell Jack to lift his work rate to an elite level because he can achieve it if he's willing to work harder.
I'd tell the coach the honourable thing to do is resign considering he lied and we haven't really improved in 7 years despite having more resources than Frawley & Wallace combined.
I'd tell Cotchin he should give the captaincy to Rance.
I'd tell Rance that JWs is a cult and easily prove it to him.
I'd have no problems with any of this at all.
Why haven't you already done it then? ::)
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Made of glass ...
He almost went of hurt the game he kicked 5 old griff
Seriously you post rubbish
You spoil it for many with your comments
Guarantee you would say that to Bens face ?
I'd tell him to his face he's a big girls blouse!
I'd tell Sideshow he's the dumbest & laziest footballer I've ever seen
I'd tell Chaplin to retire for the good of the club.
I'd tell Ellis that everyone hates him because he's soft.
I'd tell Jack to lift his work rate to an elite level because he can achieve it if he's willing to work harder.
I'd tell the coach the honourable thing to do is resign considering he lied and we haven't really improved in 7 years despite having more resources than Frawley & Wallace combined.
I'd tell Cotchin he should give the captaincy to Rance.
I'd tell Rance that JWs is a cult and easily prove it to him.
I'd have no problems with any of this at all.
Why haven't you already done it then? ::)
If I meet any of them I will, no problem. It's not like I haven't said anything to players or coaches before :rollin
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Typical Ben Griffiths.
In career best form .....taken off on a stretcher with a serious injury.
Could be a blessing if it finally forces Hardwick to play Mcbean.
Will just about abandon Richmond for the rest of the year if Chaplin is used as a forward. .
Lmfao career best form is one good game against Sydney three or four weeks ago. It is typical Ben Griffiths alright ,Typical mediocrity.
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:dancing man thats funny
This week its bellis and conca's turn to hit career best form against the mighty GC. im tipping 30 plus each and 3 goals to vickers.
All will be forgotten again aye. :santa :santa
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Griffs' stats today:
16 disposals (8 kicks, 8 hballs) @ 81.3% efficiency. 8 of which were contested possessions.
8 marks (4 contested)
3 marks inside F50
5 hitouts
4 tackles
1 clearance
2 inside 50s
2 goals
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2016/12/rich-v-gcfc
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Feel like saying this is why I backed this guy for so long - second standout performance of the season (and his career) but its too little too late, he lost me earlier this season. All he's doing now is bumping up his trade value hopefully
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Was excellent today.
Offers so much more than Vickery
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He is just getting to right age a big bloke starts consistently performing, he was very very good for us today.
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Wouldn't give a stuff if we lost vickery or Hampson, would be a bit worried griff would bite us if we offloaded him though!
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Yep, always had the faith in this bloke.
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He's having a purple patch ..... much like Vickery did last year.
Hope it continues.
Vickery is definitely stinking up the joint at the moment.
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Trade value increasing..... :clapping
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Trade value increasing..... :clapping
Yeah, classic, trade out one of our only talls and the best one at the moment, great idea... :whistle ::)
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No I get rid of Vickery too.....
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He has got daylight on Vickery.
Could be a very good player in a good side and just starting to believe he belongs.
You can see a big difference in how he attacks the ball.
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Grown in confidence. Played a good game. Took some good grabs.
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#StandByGriff
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Very constructive with his handball too. :shh
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Very constructive with his handball too. :shh
Thought he was competitive in the ruck when relieving Hampson.
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He has got daylight on Vickery.
Could be a very good player in a good side and just starting to believe he belongs.
You can see a big difference in how he attacks the ball.
Damo speaks sensibly
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It is a shame though, that he doesnt just stand by watching after competing in the ruck, as our rucks are supposedly instructed to do
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His body is too soft for my liking
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Another soft weak prick. Plays a couple of decent games and suddenly he has arrived LOL.
There was nothing special about his game on sunday. Trouble is he suddenly plays to a decent acceptable level and it is so much better than what is the norm he becomes the second coming all over again.
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It is a shame though, that he doesnt just stand by watching after competing in the ruck, as our rucks are supposedly instructed to do
Yep. Not doing his job in that respect.
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Another soft weak prick. Plays a couple of decent games and suddenly he has arrived LOL.
There was nothing special about his game on sunday. Trouble is he suddenly plays to a decent acceptable level and it is so much better than what is the norm he becomes the second coming all over again.
He has played 50 odd injury interrupted ganes.
His game was better than anything dished up by the sun's rucks. Has to maintain this standard now he has got there. If he does he would have played his role.
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His body is too soft for my liking
as is his mentality.
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Another soft weak prick. Plays a couple of decent games and suddenly he has arrived LOL.
There was nothing special about his game on sunday. Trouble is he suddenly plays to a decent acceptable level and it is so much better than what is the norm he becomes the second coming all over again.
I don't have a problem with him for playing an acceptable game.
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Vote for Big Ben's speckie :thumbsup.
https://markoftheyear.afl.com.au/vote/round/12?cid=MOTY_Fanzone_votenowstatic
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Which one do we vote for
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Took some great contested marks this week. l hope this lad turns into a great CHF
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Took some great contested marks this week. l hope this lad turns into a great CHF
Who was he playing on, Dea? Gwilt?
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Took some great contested marks this week. l hope this lad turns into a great CHF
Who was he playing on, Dea? Gwilt?
Do you take strong meds ? Gwilt was on the bench out of the game early :lol
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I didn't watch it yet Shirley that's why I asked
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Took some great contested marks this week. l hope this lad turns into a great CHF
Agree. He is a very good mark. If his consistency improves he will become a very good player.
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Heard an interesting Timor today from a guy who is on the know saying that Hawthorn have been in Griffiths ear for some time now and are a very good chance to lure him across.
I for one am certainly keen to see him re signed asap.
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Heard an interesting Timor today from a guy who is on the know saying that Hawthorn have been in Griffiths ear for some time now and are a very good chance to lure him across.
I for one am certainly keen to see him re signed asap.
Get Vickery to cut his hair and put a helmet on him and pass him off as griffiths
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...and wear a shyte load of padding....
...not fussed if Griffith goes.....especially if it indirectly helps us get someone like Patton or Tomlinson across.... :shh
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Heard an interesting Timor today from a guy who is on the know saying that Hawthorn have been in Griffiths ear for some time now and are a very good chance to lure him across.
I for one am certainly keen to see him re signed asap.
You never know with the Hawks might be inclined to part with their 1st with the right deal.
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...and wear a shyte load of padding....
...not fussed if Griffith goes.....especially if it indirectly helps us get someone like Patton or Tomlinson across.... :shh
I'd definitely get rid of him.
It's players like Griff that hold this club back.
He takes some nice marks against Essendon but then goes missing for another few weeks. Same with Vickery. We must move forward from players like these two. We need guys that are at least willing to work hard when they might not be having a great day getting the footy. It's like playing two short most games with these two up forward.
These two epitomise the bad culture of this club IMO.
Griff is a highlight package and Vickery doesn't know what he has until it's gone.
Another couple of wasted draft picks, let's try and at least upgrade on them while we can.
Vickery to Carlton
Griff to Hawthorn.
Now who else can we get rid of??
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Heard an interesting Timor today from a guy who is on the know saying that Hawthorn have been in Griffiths ear for some time now and are a very good chance to lure him across.
I for one am certainly keen to see him re signed asap.
Get Vickery to cut his hair and put a helmet on him and pass him off as griffiths
:lol
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...and wear a shyte load of padding....
...not fussed if Griffith goes.....especially if it indirectly helps us get someone like Patton or Tomlinson across.... :shh
I'd definitely get rid of him.
It's players like Griff that hold this club back.
He takes some nice marks against Essendon but then goes missing for another few weeks. Same with Vickery. We must move forward from players like these two. We need guys that are at least willing to work hard when they might not be having a great day getting the footy. It's like playing two short most games with these two up forward.
These two epitomise the bad culture of this club IMO.
Griff is a highlight package and Vickery doesn't know what he has until it's gone.
Another couple of wasted draft picks, let's try and at least upgrade on them while we can.
Vickery to Carlton
Griff to Hawthorn.
Now who else can we get rid of??
I'd move both on too, would add Edwards, Bwandon, Conca and Houli if there was any chance of a good deal in there.
Should be amassing as many early picks and then dangling them in front of clubs to pry an elite player or 2 our way,then worry about the money side of things.
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
Agree
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
What about bigs who we've put 7 years into (almost). Because that's where Griff is at
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To me it's who we get to replace him with. If it's a skinny 200cm player who is 18 and have to wait 4 more years to see if he's any good, it is a NO.
If it means we get a Tomlinson and Steele in, it's a yes.
We've invested a lot in Griffiths. The rest of the year will also help with decision making.
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
What about bigs who we've put 7 years into (almost). Because that's where Griff is at
Sorry, we have put 5 years into him not 4. He is half way though his 6th season as is Astbury. Drafted Nov 2009. Both have missed large amounts of those seasons though injury. My point is that we have spent this time, can see the rewards coming (well I can) so keep for me. Actually if you look at that draft there are some interesting things.
Fyfe at 20, but every other club missed him.
Dusty at 3, think he is only really coming into his best this year.
Gawn at 34, again only really coming into his best this year. Would of be considered a bust pick until mid last year when he busted out.
Infact there are not many in that draft that have really shown great form until this year and many that have shown no form at all. Not the deepest pool that year and not many of the Bigs have had a great impact yet but can see there is something there (Vardy, Black, etc).
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All depends on what we can get for em.
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All depends on what we can get for em.
Exactly.
Good picks or player on offer, sell.
Ordinary picks or player on offer,keep.
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
What about bigs who we've put 7 years into (almost). Because that's where Griff is at
Sorry, we have put 5 years into him not 4. He is half way though his 6th season as is Astbury. Drafted Nov 2009. Both have missed large amounts of those seasons though injury. My point is that we have spent this time, can see the rewards coming (well I can) so keep for me. Actually if you look at that draft there are some interesting things.
Fyfe at 20, but every other club missed him.
Dusty at 3, think he is only really coming into his best this year.
Gawn at 34, again only really coming into his best this year. Would of be considered a bust pick until mid last year when he busted out.
Infact there are not many in that draft that have really shown great form until this year and many that have shown no form at all. Not the deepest pool that year and not many of the Bigs have had a great impact yet but can see there is something there (Vardy, Black, etc).
In 6 weeks time we have put 7 seasons into him.
Do the math!
With the return of about a half dozen better than average games.
He is the perfect example of how this club is run.
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I don't doubt that Griff bleeds yellow and black and from my point of view I think he always attacks the ball and has a dip. The biggest issue for me is his body is made of balsa wood and he can never string together enough games to take his game to the next level. if I were to use a crude analogy it this were a game of monopoly Ben is pretty much always going to jail and never passing go.
Unfortunately if your body can't stand up to the rigours of AFL football the club should off load him. It's a shame for me because talent/ability wise I think he has it but his body for whatever reason can't take the knocks.
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
What about bigs who we've put 7 years into (almost). Because that's where Griff is at
Sorry, we have put 5 years into him not 4. He is half way though his 6th season as is Astbury. Drafted Nov 2009. Both have missed large amounts of those seasons though injury. My point is that we have spent this time, can see the rewards coming (well I can) so keep for me. Actually if you look at that draft there are some interesting things.
Fyfe at 20, but every other club missed him.
Dusty at 3, think he is only really coming into his best this year.
Gawn at 34, again only really coming into his best this year. Would of be considered a bust pick until mid last year when he busted out.
Infact there are not many in that draft that have really shown great form until this year and many that have shown no form at all. Not the deepest pool that year and not many of the Bigs have had a great impact yet but can see there is something there (Vardy, Black, etc).
In 6 weeks time we have put 7 seasons into him.
Do the math!
With the return of about a half dozen better than average games.
He is the perfect example of how this club is run.
Yes you at correct, this is his 7th season. I still don't think we should trade him as I can see him tacking that next step. He has only played 59 games, about half of what Vickery has been given and to me has shown more upside. You can't see that, I do. Np we all see things differently. Not going to get into the running of the club as I have no information as to what happens behind the scenes.
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
What about bigs who we've put 7 years into (almost). Because that's where Griff is at
Sorry, we have put 5 years into him not 4. He is half way though his 6th season as is Astbury. Drafted Nov 2009. Both have missed large amounts of those seasons though injury. My point is that we have spent this time, can see the rewards coming (well I can) so keep for me. Actually if you look at that draft there are some interesting things.
Fyfe at 20, but every other club missed him.
Dusty at 3, think he is only really coming into his best this year.
Gawn at 34, again only really coming into his best this year. Would of be considered a bust pick until mid last year when he busted out.
Infact there are not many in that draft that have really shown great form until this year and many that have shown no form at all. Not the deepest pool that year and not many of the Bigs have had a great impact yet but can see there is something there (Vardy, Black, etc).
In 6 weeks time we have put 7 seasons into him.
Do the math!
With the return of about a half dozen better than average games.
He is the perfect example of how this club is run.
Yes you at correct, this is his 7th season. I still don't think we should trade him as I can see him tacking that next step. He has only played 59 games, about half of what Vickery has been given and to me has shown more upside. You can't see that, I do. Np we all see things differently. Not going to get into the running of the club as I have no information as to what happens behind the scenes.
Fair enough.
But for me he has only played 59 games out of a possible 160 odd because he is soft mentally and physically. And even when he was fit during his time, his form wasn't at AFL standard hence him not getting a game. A guy that kicks the footy 60m and is 200cm will get picked on potential unles he is doing something drastically wrong.
I blame DH for a lot of stuff but not the lack of development of Griffiths.
7 years is more than enough time to make the spot his in the side.
We need competitive animals in every position on the ground and Griff hasn't got an aggressive bone in his body.
Trade!
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Trade vickery but keep Griffiths Is the same as sacking hackson and keeping hartley
All 4 have been pathetic
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
What about bigs who we've put 7 years into (almost). Because that's where Griff is at
Sorry, we have put 5 years into him not 4. He is half way though his 6th season as is Astbury. Drafted Nov 2009. Both have missed large amounts of those seasons though injury. My point is that we have spent this time, can see the rewards coming (well I can) so keep for me. Actually if you look at that draft there are some interesting things.
Fyfe at 20, but every other club missed him.
Dusty at 3, think he is only really coming into his best this year.
Gawn at 34, again only really coming into his best this year. Would of be considered a bust pick until mid last year when he busted out.
Infact there are not many in that draft that have really shown great form until this year and many that have shown no form at all. Not the deepest pool that year and not many of the Bigs have had a great impact yet but can see there is something there (Vardy, Black, etc).
Drafted him Nov 2009 and he started training late 2009. How does that equate to 5 years?
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In okay with getting rid of vickery, McBean, b Ellis, Houli and these types because I think they've well and truely reached their ceiling. However I don't think griff has. He could really become something. Give him 1 more year.
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
What about bigs who we've put 7 years into (almost). Because that's where Griff is at
Sorry, we have put 5 years into him not 4. He is half way though his 6th season as is Astbury. Drafted Nov 2009. Both have missed large amounts of those seasons though injury. My point is that we have spent this time, can see the rewards coming (well I can) so keep for me. Actually if you look at that draft there are some interesting things.
Fyfe at 20, but every other club missed him.
Dusty at 3, think he is only really coming into his best this year.
Gawn at 34, again only really coming into his best this year. Would of be considered a bust pick until mid last year when he busted out.
Infact there are not many in that draft that have really shown great form until this year and many that have shown no form at all. Not the deepest pool that year and not many of the Bigs have had a great impact yet but can see there is something there (Vardy, Black, etc).
Drafted him Nov 2009 and he started training late 2009. How does that equate to 5 years?
Maybe read the full thread before commenting. You will see where I have acknowledged the error.
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
What about bigs who we've put 7 years into (almost). Because that's where Griff is at
Sorry, we have put 5 years into him not 4. He is half way though his 6th season as is Astbury. Drafted Nov 2009. Both have missed large amounts of those seasons though injury. My point is that we have spent this time, can see the rewards coming (well I can) so keep for me. Actually if you look at that draft there are some interesting things.
Fyfe at 20, but every other club missed him.
Dusty at 3, think he is only really coming into his best this year.
Gawn at 34, again only really coming into his best this year. Would of be considered a bust pick until mid last year when he busted out.
Infact there are not many in that draft that have really shown great form until this year and many that have shown no form at all. Not the deepest pool that year and not many of the Bigs have had a great impact yet but can see there is something there (Vardy, Black, etc).
Drafted him Nov 2009 and he started training late 2009. How does that equate to 5 years?
Maybe read the full thread before commenting. You will see where I have acknowledged the error.
Good on ya Fluffy, some on here have not only made innocent errors but outright lies and have refused to admit it when called out on it. You know who you are.
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Im of the opinion that you dont trade out bigs that you have put 4 years into and are just starting to see the fruits of keeping them. He and Astbury are both keys to us going forward. Sign them and keep them for me.
What about bigs who we've put 7 years into (almost). Because that's where Griff is at
Sorry, we have put 5 years into him not 4. He is half way though his 6th season as is Astbury. Drafted Nov 2009. Both have missed large amounts of those seasons though injury. My point is that we have spent this time, can see the rewards coming (well I can) so keep for me. Actually if you look at that draft there are some interesting things.
Fyfe at 20, but every other club missed him.
Dusty at 3, think he is only really coming into his best this year.
Gawn at 34, again only really coming into his best this year. Would of be considered a bust pick until mid last year when he busted out.
Infact there are not many in that draft that have really shown great form until this year and many that have shown no form at all. Not the deepest pool that year and not many of the Bigs have had a great impact yet but can see there is something there (Vardy, Black, etc).
Drafted him Nov 2009 and he started training late 2009. How does that equate to 5 years?
Maybe read the full thread before commenting. You will see where I have acknowledged the error.
It took someone else correcting you on top of me already trying to correct you from your original comment of 4 years. Why am I supposed to assume to keep reading because maybe he'll listen to someone else
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I made a error, and corrected it. Best I can. Dont think it deserves any more comments on it as my real point has sort of been lost in it.
I think we should keep a tall player that has just started to show what he can do after 59 games. Trading him now would be a mistake IMHO. Same goes for Astbury
When do people expect talls to show what they can do? 20 Games, 50 games, 80 Games or like Vickery 119 games.
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I made a error, and corrected it. Best I can. Dont think it deserves any more comments on it as my real point has sort of been lost in it.
I think we should keep a tall player that has just started to show what he can do after 59 games. Trading him now would be a mistake IMHO. Same goes for Astbury
When do people expect talls to show what they can do? 20 Games, 50 games, 80 Games or like Vickery 119 games.
You showed what you could do straight away Fluffy some others never ever own up to a downright lie let alone an simple error
You know who you are
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I made a error, and corrected it. Best I can. Dont think it deserves any more comments on it as my real point has sort of been lost in it.
I think we should keep a tall player that has just started to show what he can do after 59 games. Trading him now would be a mistake IMHO. Same goes for Astbury
When do people expect talls to show what they can do? 20 Games, 50 games, 80 Games or like Vickery 119 games.
Don't let a few good games fool you Fluff.
True he has only played 59 games but as already said more importantly he has been on our list nearly 7 years. How much longer do you give a guy?
What if this time next year he has teased you with the same output as this year? Does he then get another year??
This year he has played 11 games for 14 goals and 5 of those were in one game. A KPF after 7 years should have a better record than that surely.
Last year 13 games for 12 goals.
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I made a error, and corrected it. Best I can. Dont think it deserves any more comments on it as my real point has sort of been lost in it.
I think we should keep a tall player that has just started to show what he can do after 59 games. Trading him now would be a mistake IMHO. Same goes for Astbury
When do people expect talls to show what they can do? 20 Games, 50 games, 80 Games or like Vickery 119 games.
Don't let a few good games fool you Fluff.
True he has only played 59 games but as already said more importantly he has been on our list nearly 7 years. How much longer do you give a guy?
What if this time next year he has teased you with the same output as this year? Does he then get another year??
This year he has played 11 games for 14 goals and 5 of those were in one game. A KPF after 7 years should have a better record than that surely.
Last year 13 games for 12 goals.
I have always been bullish about him, not just the "few good" games. I know he has many injuries and so people say he is made of paper. I know some say he is soft. I know some say he doesn't kick enough goals. I just have watched him carefully. I like what I see when he rucks, I like how he pairs very well with who ever is the main ruck. I like the positions he gets too. I like his contest at the ball, like his hands and like his boot. Too me I see everything we need as a 2nd kpf/ruck. Maybe I am wrong but for me I would be loathed to see that talent and the amount of time we have put into him wasted or even worse kicking some goals against us.
Now Vickery is a different story, don't see any of that in him
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Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability
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Let's see how the rest of his year pans out. Average less than say 3 marks and a goal a game he should be tossed. IF he maintains his form throughout the rest of the year. Chuck him a bone (1 year) but he'd have to damn well perform next year
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Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability
I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.
But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.
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Not our decision anyway thank goodness , it will be intestering to see who's closer to the mark but most tiger supporters would take griff over vickery
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Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability
I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.
But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.
100%. Whilst I don't rate either, it still baffles me how some think Griffiths is a better prospect
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Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability
I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.
But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.
100%. Whilst I don't rate either, it still baffles me how some think Griffiths is a better prospect
I guess it's because he can play in the ruck and around the ground without collapsing in a blubbering mess. Vickery's endurance is putrid rendering him useless. So unless he's ducking out the back for a cheapie or outmarking a midget and then shooting for goal, he contributes very little to the team.
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Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability
I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.
But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.
100%. Whilst I don't rate either, it still baffles me how some think Griffiths is a better prospect
I guess it's because he can play in the ruck and around the ground without collapsing in a blubbering mess. Vickery's endurance is putrid rendering him useless. So unless he's ducking out the back for a cheapie or outmarking a midget and then shooting for goal, he contributes very little to the team.
Ill add to that, that Vickery actually avoids contact in ruck contests. Not always but maybe 1 in 6 or so.
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Griff will stay , TV with go, you don't let players go when the start to live up to their potential
Remember when people wanted to trade Rance and even Jack
Vickery needs to go because shows no endeavour and spirt not because he hasn't got the ability
I don't think Griff shows endeavour or spirit either. Far from it.
They both need to be shown the door.
But if you are going on records Vickery has got him well and truely covered.
100%. Whilst I don't rate either, it still baffles me how some think Griffiths is a better prospect
I guess it's because he can play in the ruck and around the ground without collapsing in a blubbering mess. Vickery's endurance is putrid rendering him useless. So unless he's ducking out the back for a cheapie or outmarking a midget and then shooting for goal, he contributes very little to the team.
your saying griffiths hasnt done this before. LMFAO.
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Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.
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Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.
True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.
One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.
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Once Cyril gotin his head after that slip in the 2nd, he was done for the day. Till then he was alright, after that crap
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Still waiting for that sequel to Sydney....(http://r31.imgfast.net/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3849830529.gif)
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Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.
True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.
One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.
Did you watch him carefully today Fluff?
The couple of good things he does do get overshadowed by the crap stuff he does.
I also thought his ruck work today was pi55 weak. He never fought for front position at boundary throw ins. Happy to try and lean over the ruckman in front.
He is passionless
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TheGirlGriff, the first hermaphrodite AFL player. :clapping
Just waiting for the red wog & the scared blonde to come out of the closet so we can celebrate the colours of the rainbow. :rollin
Richmond FC, the most all inclusive, PC team in the AFL. :birthday
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Trade
Never ever going to get any better
Has been promising for 8 years but rarely delivers
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Poor. Missed some gettable shots.
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TheGirlGriff, the first hermaphrodite AFL player. :clapping
Just waiting for the red wog & the scared blonde to come out of the closet so we can celebrate the colours of the rainbow. :rollin
Richmond FC, the most all inclusive, PC team in the AFL. :birthday
This
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Another career destroyed by the RFC.
Unbelievable.
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How come he used to kick 70 now can't kick 40
Wtf
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Classic griff
thats why we need to get rid of him and Vickery this offseason - restart/reload the forward line and find others to build around reiwoldt
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Another career destroyed by the RFC.
Unbelievable.
Think it's more to do with his pee weak mentality but ah well
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Amazing, rank all the players that played better than Griff or better still worse
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Ps , it was not an ideal day for big blokes
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Excluding all the Hawk ones
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Only if it's the team you support
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I'm thinking of switching
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Congrats four peat -
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Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.
True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.
One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.
Did you watch him carefully today Fluff?
The couple of good things he does do get overshadowed by the crap stuff he does.
I also thought his ruck work today was pi55 weak. He never fought for front position at boundary throw ins. Happy to try and lean over the ruckman in front.
He is passionless
Yes I did because I knew this would come up. He didn't give me much to hang my hat on this week but he was far from the worst. I disagree with you "passionless" comment but you are entilled to your opinion. In will also pull Jackstar up with his 8 year comment as I got pulled up on my 5 year statement. I guess he has 5 weeks to show why he should stay. I hope he does.
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Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.
True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.
One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.
Did you watch him carefully today Fluff?
The couple of good things he does do get overshadowed by the crap stuff he does.
I also thought his ruck work today was pi55 weak. He never fought for front position at boundary throw ins. Happy to try and lean over the ruckman in front.
He is passionless
Yes I did because I knew this would come up. He didn't give me much to hang my hat on this week but he was far from the worst. I disagree with you "passionless" comment but you are entilled to your opinion. In will also pull Jackstar up with his 8 year comment as I got pulled up on my 5 year statement. I guess he has 5 weeks to show why he should stay. I hope he does.
He plays with no passion at all.
I get that you think he has potential and fair enough but please don't tell me he has passion.
Did you like when he fell over in Hawthorn's goal square and handballed it straight to Breust so he didn't have to body contact? At the very least take the ball to the ground with you, wait for body contact and rush it through for a point. Umpire would probably give you the beniefit of the doubt due to the slip.
200cm marshmallow. And nearly 7 years of it.
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Apart from Rance which big bloke did better than Griff.
Even Hawthorns big blokes struggled until the heat was off.
He made a big mistake, but looking at the stats did more than most.
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Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.
True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.
One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.
Did you watch him carefully today Fluff?
The couple of good things he does do get overshadowed by the crap stuff he does.
I also thought his ruck work today was pi55 weak. He never fought for front position at boundary throw ins. Happy to try and lean over the ruckman in front.
He is passionless
Yes I did because I knew this would come up. He didn't give me much to hang my hat on this week but he was far from the worst. I disagree with you "passionless" comment but you are entilled to your opinion. In will also pull Jackstar up with his 8 year comment as I got pulled up on my 5 year statement. I guess he has 5 weeks to show why he should stay. I hope he does.
He plays with no passion at all.
I get that you think he has potential and fair enough but please don't tell me he has passion.
Did you like when he fell over in Hawthorn's goal square and handballed it straight to Breust so he didn't have to body contact? At the very least take the ball to the ground with you, wait for body contact and rush it through for a point. Umpire would probably give you the beniefit of the doubt due to the slip.
200cm marshmallow. And nearly 7 years of it.
Actually I was going to use that exact play to show the opposite. Did you see his reaction after making that mistake. Only would react that way if was passionate about the game.
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Plenty worse than Griff
When confidence is high he goes good. He needs continuation in his footy.
Till now his body has held together like a soggy flamonge.
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Trade to Fremantle ( In the womans league )
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Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.
True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.
One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.
Did you watch him carefully today Fluff?
The couple of good things he does do get overshadowed by the crap stuff he does.
I also thought his ruck work today was pi55 weak. He never fought for front position at boundary throw ins. Happy to try and lean over the ruckman in front.
He is passionless
Yes I did because I knew this would come up. He didn't give me much to hang my hat on this week but he was far from the worst. I disagree with you "passionless" comment but you are entilled to your opinion. In will also pull Jackstar up with his 8 year comment as I got pulled up on my 5 year statement. I guess he has 5 weeks to show why he should stay. I hope he does.
He plays with no passion at all.
I get that you think he has potential and fair enough but please don't tell me he has passion.
Did you like when he fell over in Hawthorn's goal square and handballed it straight to Breust so he didn't have to body contact? At the very least take the ball to the ground with you, wait for body contact and rush it through for a point. Umpire would probably give you the beniefit of the doubt due to the slip.
200cm marshmallow. And nearly 7 years of it.
:facepalm
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-18/rushed-behind-free-kick-against-firrito-given-allclear
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Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.
True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.
One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.
Did you watch him carefully today Fluff?
The couple of good things he does do get overshadowed by the crap stuff he does.
I also thought his ruck work today was pi55 weak. He never fought for front position at boundary throw ins. Happy to try and lean over the ruckman in front.
He is passionless
Yes I did because I knew this would come up. He didn't give me much to hang my hat on this week but he was far from the worst. I disagree with you "passionless" comment but you are entilled to your opinion. In will also pull Jackstar up with his 8 year comment as I got pulled up on my 5 year statement. I guess he has 5 weeks to show why he should stay. I hope he does.
He plays with no passion at all.
I get that you think he has potential and fair enough but please don't tell me he has passion.
Did you like when he fell over in Hawthorn's goal square and handballed it straight to Breust so he didn't have to body contact? At the very least take the ball to the ground with you, wait for body contact and rush it through for a point. Umpire would probably give you the beniefit of the doubt due to the slip.
200cm marshmallow. And nearly 7 years of it.
Actually I was going to use that exact play to show the opposite. Did you see his reaction after making that mistake. Only would react that way if was passionate about the game.
I totally agree. He thumped the ground in pure anger at his mistake. At least it shows he cares unlike some other players in the team.
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Gifted Hawthorn to easy goals and back to missing easy set shots.
A day to forget for big benny.
True. A day to forget for about 18 of the 22. And for all us supporters.
One thing I will say is that those that think he should play back should have a look at this game. He is not a natural defender.
Did you watch him carefully today Fluff?
The couple of good things he does do get overshadowed by the crap stuff he does.
I also thought his ruck work today was pi55 weak. He never fought for front position at boundary throw ins. Happy to try and lean over the ruckman in front.
He is passionless
Yes I did because I knew this would come up. He didn't give me much to hang my hat on this week but he was far from the worst. I disagree with you "passionless" comment but you are entilled to your opinion. In will also pull Jackstar up with his 8 year comment as I got pulled up on my 5 year statement. I guess he has 5 weeks to show why he should stay. I hope he does.
He plays with no passion at all.
I get that you think he has potential and fair enough but please don't tell me he has passion.
Did you like when he fell over in Hawthorn's goal square and handballed it straight to Breust so he didn't have to body contact? At the very least take the ball to the ground with you, wait for body contact and rush it through for a point. Umpire would probably give you the beniefit of the doubt due to the slip.
200cm marshmallow. And nearly 7 years of it.
Actually I was going to use that exact play to show the opposite. Did you see his reaction after making that mistake. Only would react that way if was passionate about the game.
He makes the mother of all stuff ups and because he hits the ground, that is passion? Give me a spell!
It was Gunstun to, not Brurst, my mistake.
Anyway he is one of the reasons this club is where it is. AAnd he is not alone. Nearly 7 years of absolute crap.
I wonder what this club has paid this guy all up for his 7 years with seriously only a half dozen half decent games.
Vickery and Astbury the same.
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He plays with no passion at all.
I get that you think he has potential and fair enough but please don't tell me he has passion.
Did you like when he fell over in Hawthorn's goal square and handballed it straight to Breust so he didn't have to body contact? At the very least take the ball to the ground with you, wait for body contact and rush it through for a point. Umpire would probably give you the beniefit of the doubt due to the slip.
200cm marshmallow. And nearly 7 years of it.
Actually I was going to use that exact play to show the opposite. Did you see his reaction after making that mistake. Only would react that way if was passionate about the game.
Have to agree with Fluff here.
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plays a good game then goes missing for 7 then plays another good game then goes missing for god knows how long rinse and repeat.
Is he not to be a fwd if so i have to ask how many of those glimpses that are contested marks are marks inside 50.
Fair dinkum how long do we tolerate such a huge gap between his best and worst. How long do we tolerate such a small prsence in his main role.
We are way past the cameo or potential role that this bloke offers.
Imo the only thing that saves him this year is the fact we can not off load 4 or 5 or 6 talls we dont have enough as it is and already maric, chaplin mckenzie and vickery are likely to be gone.
What a sad state of affairs but hey some will tell me mids are needed more.
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I wish he would use his massive kick more often
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I agree, he should be getting the ball fed to him from out of defense to launch a stuffing big skud missile into our forward line Jim Jesse style,
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Agree....stuff me it's his one major weapon....if other clubs want him reckon that'd be a big reason and they'd make damn sure he uses it...the amount of times I see him get it in the ideal situation to unleash one and he just dabs it 20 metres -often sideways- or even worse, handballs, drives me nuts...
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Agree....stuff me it's his one major weapon....if other clubs want him reckon that'd be a big reason and they'd make damn sure he uses it...the amount of times I see him get it in the ideal situation to unleash one and he just dabs it 20 metres -often sideways- or even worse, handballs, drives me nuts...
Agree X2
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Halfstep just refuses to recognise or encourage our player's biggest strengths.
Remember that coast-to-coast goal we kicked in about 12 seconds v Hawthorn in 2012 or 13- Griffiths from the kick in to Maric in the centre square to Martin who booted it from outside 50? Will we ever see anything like that again? Martin will barely shoot from outside 35 these days, let alone 50.
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Halfstep just refuses to recognise or encourage our player's biggest strengths.
Remember that coast-to-coast goal we kicked in about 12 seconds v Hawthorn in 2012 or 13- Griffiths from the kick in to Maric in the centre square to Martin who booted it from outside 50? Will we ever see anything like that again? Martin will barely shoot from outside 35 these days, let alone 50.
I do and i think of it often.
Benny looks too intimidated to kick long, instead he second guesses his natural instinct and talent...
all because dimmer has told him to just stick to his process.
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Halfstep just refuses to recognise or encourage our player's biggest strengths.
Remember that coast-to-coast goal we kicked in about 12 seconds v Hawthorn in 2012 or 13- Griffiths from the kick in to Maric in the centre square to Martin who booted it from outside 50? Will we ever see anything like that again? Martin will barely shoot from outside 35 these days, let alone 50.
I do and i think of it often.
Benny looks too intimidated to kick long, instead he second guesses his natural instinct and talent...
all because dimmer has told him to just stick to his process.
Have to agree totally with here. Think it's the first time I have said that
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Agree....stuff me it's his one major weapon....if other clubs want him reckon that'd be a big reason and they'd make damn sure he uses it...the amount of times I see him get it in the ideal situation to unleash one and he just dabs it 20 metres -often sideways- or even worse, handballs, drives me nuts...
Agree. Same situation with Martin and Jack. Hardwick tries to curtail these players' strengths by instilling a game plan that goes against any attacking instincts.
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Agree....stuff me it's his one major weapon....if other clubs want him reckon that'd be a big reason and they'd make damn sure he uses it...the amount of times I see him get it in the ideal situation to unleash one and he just dabs it 20 metres -often sideways- or even worse, handballs, drives me nuts...
Agree. Same situation with Martin and Jack. Hardwick tries to curtail these players' strengths by instilling a game plan that goes against any attacking instincts.
but guys, "the supporters perhaps take a simplistic view and dont understand that theres a whole lot more to it than just attacking, like being able to setup behind the ball quickly in case of a turnover" as per dimmas words earlier this season on the round table discussion on fox footy.
wow what a thinker, us supporters never wouldve thought about that one :rollin
maybe it goes beyond that and that the supporters can see kicking to the pockets purposely to minimise the chances of being scored against via slingshot and heading to the boundary to force stoppages, is a gameplan that has been rendered null and void by the deliberate rule you numpty
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Agree....stuff me it's his one major weapon....if other clubs want him reckon that'd be a big reason and they'd make damn sure he uses it...the amount of times I see him get it in the ideal situation to unleash one and he just dabs it 20 metres -often sideways- or even worse, handballs, drives me nuts...
Agree. Same situation with Martin and Jack. Hardwick tries to curtail these players' strengths by instilling a game plan that goes against any attacking instincts.
but guys, "the supporters perhaps take a simplistic view and dont understand that theres a whole lot more to it than just attacking, like being able to setup behind the ball quickly in case of a turnover" as per dimmas words earlier this season on the round table discussion on fox footy.
wow what a thinker, us supporters never wouldve thought about that one :rollin
maybe it goes beyond that and that the supporters can see kicking to the pockets purposely to minimise the chances of being scored against via slingshot and heading to the boundary to force stoppages, is a gameplan that has been rendered null and void by the deliberate rule you numpty
Maybe this is why we take all stuffing day to move the damned ball forwards, going sideways and backwards etc - to give our opposition an opportunity to setup defensively and flood our F50 lmao
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hes a stuffing knob
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Halfstep just refuses to recognise or encourage our player's biggest strengths.
Remember that coast-to-coast goal we kicked in about 12 seconds v Hawthorn in 2012 or 13- Griffiths from the kick in to Maric in the centre square to Martin who booted it from outside 50? Will we ever see anything like that again? Martin will barely shoot from outside 35 these days, let alone 50.
I do and i think of it often.
Benny looks too intimidated to kick long, instead he second guesses his natural instinct and talent...
all because dimmer has told him to just stick to his process.
Have to agree totally with here. Think it's the first time I have said that
I feel special
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stuff me sideways, we have an accord...
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:lol
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I learnt today that we are a better side with Griff in it and Vickery needs another club as he has lost confidence and Richmond should have lost confidence that his heart is with the Tigers
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Yeah nah pee 'em both off....
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I'm sick of these big men who have such fragile confidence. Harden up you fairies.
Be like Jonathan Brown not Tinkerbell.
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I am surprised that Ben hasn't copped more flack today than Hampson....oh, hang on, no I am not, the BB can't see past Hampson can they.
Well IMO Griff was terrible last night, quite possibly the worst in our team. Ruck work was dreadful and so was his marking or lack of, no pressure and really was not involved at all.
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I am surprised that Ben hasn't copped more flack today than Hampson....oh, hang on, no I am not, the BB can't see past Hampson can they.
Well IMO Griff was terrible last night, quite possibly the worst in our team. Ruck work was dreadful and so was his marking or lack of, no pressure and really was not involved at all.
Well we saw different games. Didnt beat Grundy but nullified him. Did really well when the ball went to ground. Had a lot of ball that was kicked to him like 3 metres to short so he couldnt get a run at it.
Wasnt great. Not all from his own doing though.
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I am surprised that Ben hasn't copped more flack today than Hampson....oh, hang on, no I am not, the BB can't see past Hampson can they.
Well IMO Griff was terrible last night, quite possibly the worst in our team. Ruck work was dreadful and so was his marking or lack of, no pressure and really was not involved at all.
Ok I will bite
Grab a copy of the game. I'll give you one centre square ball up situation tthat actually highlighted why his efforts in the mididle last night were better than Hampson's
Go to about the 20 minute mark, he goes up against Grundie, he wins the tap it goes straight to a pie mid. He then actually lays the tackle that causes another stoppage, ball up. At the 2nd ball up he doesn't win the tap but again lays the tackle that causes the ball free and we then clearance
That's what he did well and what Hampson simply doesnt do,
So if you are going to bag a blokes ruck work make sure that what you are whacking him for is accurate and that the person you use to compare him to actually bothers to do the same.
In this case Griffiths efforts read 2nd & 3rd efforts highlights what Hampson doesnt do, so thanks for bringing it up :thumbsup
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Still suffering from a groin injury.... :shh
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I am surprised that Ben hasn't copped more flack today than Hampson....oh, hang on, no I am not, the BB can't see past Hampson can they.
Well IMO Griff was terrible last night, quite possibly the worst in our team. Ruck work was dreadful and so was his marking or lack of, no pressure and really was not involved at all.
In this case Griffiths efforts read 2nd & 3rd efforts highlights what Hampson doesnt do, so thanks for bringing it up :thumbsup
And what Vickery doesn't do either.
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All three of them were shyte.
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I am surprised that Ben hasn't copped more flack today than Hampson....oh, hang on, no I am not, the BB can't see past Hampson can they.
Well IMO Griff was terrible last night, quite possibly the worst in our team. Ruck work was dreadful and so was his marking or lack of, no pressure and really was not involved at all.
Ok I will bite
Grab a copy of the game. I'll give you one centre square ball up situation tthat actually highlighted why his efforts in the mididle last night were better than Hampson's
Go to about the 20 minute mark, he goes up against Grundie, he wins the tap it goes straight to a pie mid. He then actually lays the tackle that causes another stoppage, ball up. At the 2nd ball up he doesn't win the tap but again lays the tackle that causes the ball free and we then clearance
That's what he did well and what Hampson simply doesnt do,
So if you are going to bag a blokes ruck work make sure that what you are whacking him for is accurate and that the person you use to compare him to actually bothers to do the same.
In this case Griffiths efforts read 2nd & 3rd efforts highlights what Hampson doesnt do, so thanks for bringing it up :thumbsup
I have a copy thanks, watched it twice and saw enough of Griff to come to that conclusion. Are you sure you are not watching last years game... ;D
If you watch last night's game you will also see that Grundy tapped the ball to our players quite a bit too.
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I am surprised that Ben hasn't copped more flack today than Hampson....oh, hang on, no I am not, the BB can't see past Hampson can they.
Well IMO Griff was terrible last night, quite possibly the worst in our team. Ruck work was dreadful and so was his marking or lack of, no pressure and really was not involved at all.
Ok I will bite
Grab a copy of the game. I'll give you one centre square ball up situation tthat actually highlighted why his efforts in the mididle last night were better than Hampson's
Go to about the 20 minute mark, he goes up against Grundie, he wins the tap it goes straight to a pie mid. He then actually lays the tackle that causes another stoppage, ball up. At the 2nd ball up he doesn't win the tap but again lays the tackle that causes the ball free and we then clearance
That's what he did well and what Hampson simply doesnt do,
So if you are going to bag a blokes ruck work make sure that what you are whacking him for is accurate and that the person you use to compare him to actually bothers to do the same.
In this case Griffiths efforts read 2nd & 3rd efforts highlights what Hampson doesnt do, so thanks for bringing it up :thumbsup
I have a copy thanks, watched it twice and saw enough of Griff to come to that conclusion. Are you sure you are not watching last years game... ;D
If you watch last night's game you will also see that Grundy tapped the ball to our players quite a bit too.
Watched it 3 times. Dont know how any rational or logical mind could come to the same conclusion as yours.
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I am surprised that Ben hasn't copped more flack today than Hampson....oh, hang on, no I am not, the BB can't see past Hampson can they.
Well IMO Griff was terrible last night, quite possibly the worst in our team. Ruck work was dreadful and so was his marking or lack of, no pressure and really was not involved at all.
Ok I will bite
Grab a copy of the game. I'll give you one centre square ball up situation tthat actually highlighted why his efforts in the mididle last night were better than Hampson's
Go to about the 20 minute mark, he goes up against Grundie, he wins the tap it goes straight to a pie mid. He then actually lays the tackle that causes another stoppage, ball up. At the 2nd ball up he doesn't win the tap but again lays the tackle that causes the ball free and we then clearance
That's what he did well and what Hampson simply doesnt do,
So if you are going to bag a blokes ruck work make sure that what you are whacking him for is accurate and that the person you use to compare him to actually bothers to do the same.
In this case Griffiths efforts read 2nd & 3rd efforts highlights what Hampson doesnt do, so thanks for bringing it up :thumbsup
I have a copy thanks, watched it twice and saw enough of Griff to come to that conclusion. Are you sure you are not watching last years game... ;D
If you watch last night's game you will also see that Grundy tapped the ball to our players quite a bit too.
Watched it 3 times. Dont know how any rational or logical mind could come to the same conclusion as yours.
Watch it for the 4th with your blinkers off.
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Some people :facepalm
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The Tigers are expected to re-sign Ben Griffiths, who has been preferred over Vickery lately as a forward supporting Jack Riewoldt.
Source: Foxsports (http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dion-prestia-will-sign-fiveyear-contract-at-richmond-if-gold-coast-and-tigers-agree-to-a-trade/news-story/0895aea6667e3742f357de409068d8b4)
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Arse.
No doubt another three-year deal and another three years of nothing until he's worth nothing.... :gotigers
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Sounds like vickery is a done deal then
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Phew thank god I was getting worried.
Let's move on to Vickerys signature now dimwit
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You can't get rid of everyone and being a team of midgets griff so keeper for mine!
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You can't get rid of everyone and being a team of midgets griff so keeper for mine!
Not a huge fan of Griff but i kinda agree for now. Even if we drafted a Patton you need a backup fwd if there are injuries and the cupboard looks pretty bare in the 2nds.
So id give him a 2 year deal.
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His biggest problem is his body is made of tissue paper. He also can't play with injury. Loses confidence quickly too.
I'd trade him for Majak Daw as he can play ruck better and could help out Mabior in the gym. :laugh:
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His biggest problem is his body is made of tissue paper. He also can't play with injury. Loses confidence quickly too.
I'd trade him for Majak Daw as he can play ruck better and could help out Mabior in the gym. :laugh:
What would you pay for Majak? Pick in the 30s?
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His biggest problem is his body is made of tissue paper. He also can't play with injury. Loses confidence quickly too.
I'd trade him for Majak Daw as he can play ruck better and could help out Mabior in the gym. :laugh:
What would you pay for Majak? Pick in the 30s?
I think a straight swap with Griff and a small upgrade like our 4th rounder for their 3rd rounder would be fair.
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You can't get rid of everyone and being a team of midgets griff so keeper for mine!
Why wouldn't we replace him? Doesn't matter how many talls you have if they're shyte.
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Great News, if he can keep injury free he will be an good for Richmond
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Great News, if he can keep injury free he will be an good for Richmond
The problem is exactly that - IF he can stay injury free.....
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So closest to pin on contract length? He's an injury prone-hack so it's a safe bet Danny Boy will give him more than one year...I'll stick with my earlier prediction and say three years....
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one thing I will say that, apart from constantly getting injured all year, he has been getting more physical and holding onto some pack grabs. If that keeps trending, I am gonna get a griffy
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Expected to sign huh, more like no other club wants him.
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Expected to sign huh, more like no other club wants him.
Like dimmer expects to MAKE finals next year
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His next jumper presentation he will except his blouse :lol
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His next jumper presentation he will except his blouse :lol
Like it
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Hampson 2 years.
Astbury 3 years
Griff must be looking at 5 :clapping
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Played one decent game in his career.
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Hampson 2 years.
Astbury 3 years
Griff must be looking at 5 :clapping
Please don't say that. His manager could be reading this forum & tell him his worth 5 years.
He is worth 2 years & that is pushing it. Vickery was on some rank $$$ so that will free up the nest egg unless they offers him a 9 year contract ;D
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geez.
i wonder what kind of input he would have if dimmers structures, for want of a better word, allowed him to kick long......yeh look......so....hmmmm
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So if we are planning this big shake up and the end of the year, and we keep signing D grade players, who do we plan on getting rid of?
Probably Maric, McKenzie, Chapin and a couple of rookies would be their rationale.
I personally would get rid of 20 of them. Trade or delist.
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I will raise you to 25
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Yeah but him & Hamspud are our ruck division going forward.... :gotigers
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I will raise you to 25
Seriously?
Who?
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Just name the 19 players we should keep.
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Played one decent game in his career.
Harsh, its actually 3, :shh
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Played one decent game in his career.
Harsh, its actually 3, :shh
When was the 3rd? 😜
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Played one decent game in his career.
Harsh, its actually 3, :shh
When was the 3rd? 😜
now you have me stumped, i cant recall :huh3
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Wouldn't go as far as Chucky....I'd only pee off 24 players* and keep the following:
Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Riewoldt, Rance
Vlastuin, C.Ellis, Menadue, Lennon, McIntosh
Rioli, Chol, C.Moore, Short, Markov
Miles, Grimes, Lloyd, Yarran, Castagna
*contracts notwithstanding
EDIT: Maybe keep Lambert for depth and give Elton one more year to prove himself.....
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Played one decent game in his career.
Harsh, its actually 3, :shh
When was the 3rd? 😜
now you have me stumped, i cant recall :huh3
Can we just give him the benefit of the doubt? Maybe there was a game in there that wasn't for goal kickers?
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EDIT: Maybe give Elton one more year to prove himself.....
How stupid is it that a dude on our list has to be given ANOTHER year just so we can see if he's any good? Talk about poor management
And yes, I know you said contracts notwithstanding and all that so I'm not arguing with you saying this.
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Lambert was a good player before getting injured. Taking him time to get his confidence back.
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Just like in the movie Moneyball, the club should just trade players like Griff so the coach has no choice and cannot play him. FHO!
Give Harfwit no option other to play the kids.
Same goes for Houli, Ellis, Hunt, Grigg.
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EDIT: Maybe give Elton one more year to prove himself.....
How stupid is it that a dude on our list has to be given ANOTHER year just so we can see if he's any good? Talk about poor management
And yes, I know you said contracts notwithstanding and all that so I'm not arguing with you saying this.
Well I said "maybe" and already got rid of at least 22 players, think in that scenario we could afford to give one or two stragglers the benefit of the doubt for one more season....finally showed some glimpses -albeit small ones- last week....one year only though and if he doesn't take real & notable steps, pee him off....
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EDIT: Maybe give Elton one more year to prove himself.....
How stupid is it that a dude on our list has to be given ANOTHER year just so we can see if he's any good? Talk about poor management
And yes, I know you said contracts notwithstanding and all that so I'm not arguing with you saying this.
Well I said "maybe" and already got rid of at least 22 players, think in that scenario we could afford to give one or two stragglers the benefit of the doubt for one more season....finally showed some glimpses -albeit small ones- last week....one year only though and if he doesn't take real & notable steps, pee him off....
Yeah, wasn't really arguing with you saying he deserves one more year as such. More so the fact that we should already know but instead we throw him around the place and don't give him a solid string of games :banghead
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Wouldn't go as far as Chucky....I'd only pee off 24 players* and keep the following:
Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Riewoldt, Rance
Vlastuin, C.Ellis, Menadue, Lennon, McIntosh
Rioli, Chol, C.Moore, Short, Markov
Miles, Grimes, Lloyd, Yarran, Castagna
*contracts notwithstanding
EDIT: Maybe keep Lambert for depth and give Elton one more year to prove himself.....
So you'd delist 24 players?
How would you go about replacing them?
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Well firstly I'd obviously trade a few, but it was more a demonstration -in response to a question from BT about a joke by Chucky- of how many duds & expendable players we still have on our list IMO, than a realistic scenario - for a start, half the players I axed are still contracted for next year at least ...hell, two of them just signed extensions in the last fortnight..hence why I added the "contracts notwithstanding" asterisk...
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Let's get a whole lot of players who can't get a game at the club they are currently playing for. It hasn't worked ever before but what does history prove.
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GWS NEAFL side would beat Richmond and probably make the 8 ahead of North... :shh
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Wouldn't go as far as Chucky....I'd only pee off 24 players* and keep the following:
Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Riewoldt, Rance
Vlastuin, C.Ellis, Menadue, Lennon, McIntosh
Rioli, Chol, C.Moore, Short, Markov
Miles, Grimes, Lloyd, Yarran, Castagna
EDIT: Maybe keep Lambert for depth and give Elton one more year to prove himself.....
I'd agree with all that and there's only one other player I'd give a life line to and thats Drummond, purely because he is a quick type who
probably needs another preseason to get over that knee injury before making a final decision on.
With Prestia and hopefully Yarran playing next year Hardwick has absolutely no reason to play his crap SLOW football game plan.
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Not sold on Drummond......forgot Butler - would definitely keep him...also forgot McBean....still rate him and think he deserves at least another dozen or so games to show his wares, which still only gives him about an eighth of the amount of chances Vickery's been afforded and a quarter of Griffiths' opportunities....
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Just signed a two year contract
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I guess we needed to keep a couple of talls. That is the worst hole in a very leaky boat called the RFC.... :banghead
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Great ....Griff might even kick 15 goals next season . Fullbacks beware.
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If he stays injury free (yes I know most think he cant) he could just prove he is worth the contract. My opinion is well known in the Griff thread. Oh btw you should probably merge this mods :)
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Great ....Griff might even kick 15 goals next season . Fullbacks beware.
:lol
Not bad when "TheGirlGriff" takes a speccy and hurt his pinky toenail on the way down then 10 weeks on the sidelines with a sore pinky toenail and cleared for another crack in the second half of the season when mummy says it's ok. :rollin
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Hamspud, Astbury, Grigg, Houli, Griffiths - securing all the guns.... :clapping
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Good News
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All merged
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not before time either
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not before time either
Very underrated post...
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not before time either
Comedian
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Just signed a two year contract
LMFAO at two years. they just never learn at the rabble footy club.
Two years to a bloke who if we had a half decent list of talls should probably be delisted.
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I dont like this - Ive been a fan of Griff's skillset in the past and felt he had a high ceiling - fact is though, hes been very underwhelming and there comes a point where you just need to move on. I would prefer he was let go so we can start again. He's not a matchwinner and certainly has never shown he has the consistency of effort required to become a legit contributor. Just because he fills a list need is not good enough.
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Griff just needs to watch a few eighties films you know the ones where they tell you to close your eyes and believe and then trade his body in for one that doesn't fall apart
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needs to hook up with Dorothy and find the wizard
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Griff just needs to watch a few eighties films you know the ones where they tell you to close your eyes and believe and then trade his body in for one that doesn't fall apart
I think between closing his eyes and finding the wizard, the body might miraculously start to come good
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I had hopes for big Griff, think he has more natural talent than Vickery, both lacked belief and seemed to be wary of getting in amongst it for some reason. Griff has turned a corner on this a bit in his most recent games I reckon. Vickery, dunno, good set shot, crap pack mark and not much chop around the ground. Griff needs to be taking his shots outside fifty because he gets inaccurate if he is too close LOL
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I we must persist with Balsa Wood Benny then he should at least be instructed use his big boot more often......otherwise he's just going to continue to be another pointless footballer clogging the list....
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We just need a video montage of Ben training ... it worked for Team America! ;D
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If he trains well he'll be here until he's at least 30.... :shh
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Needs a good beating.
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(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzk0c3bpmA1ro2c2ro8_r2_400.gif)
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After watching his highlights tape, Betamax thinks this bloke could be anything & overlooks a future Brownlow medalist to secure him before anyone else can.
Before the coach can change his natural footy instincts, TheGirlGriff tantalises us all with some hangers in wet conditions and a superboot no-one has seen since Bernie Quinlan.
Dumma Halfwit & his merry band of back slappers realise the kid could be anything so work feverishly to make sure all his natural ability is a thing of the past & make sure he only kicks 20 meters because they don't want him to over exert himself or crash any packs.
Realising he's a little soft skinned, the coaches start massaging the boys feminine side & let him cry to mummy every time he gets a broken fingernail.
After explaining why the boundary is essential to the "BlueprintofSuccess" gameplan they all ensure him they'll call him off the ground if the team was getting too badly beaten. :rollin
.......Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83.
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Pretty much. Next year is a write off
Dimwit and Griffiths- what a pair.
But...we're getting Prestia :lol :lol
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Griffiths focused on consistency.
Ben Griffiths speaks to Roar Vision about the key people influencing his game ahead of the 2017 season.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-01-13/griffiths-excited-by-key-talls
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Griffiths focused on consistency.
Ben Griffiths speaks to Roar Vision about the key people influencing his game ahead of the 2017 season.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-01-13/griffiths-excited-by-key-talls
"Lessen the gap between my good games and my bad games" FMD he has had 5 good games in 6 years. And I'm being generous.
How skinny does this like look now? He gets outmuscled in most marking contest unless he has a run and jump and we decide to slim him down??
I hope he proves me wrong but this guy is a massive pretender IMO.
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He speaks Orwellian.
They're a pack of brainwashed monkeys down there.
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Griffiths focused on consistency.
Ben Griffiths speaks to Roar Vision about the key people influencing his game ahead of the 2017 season.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-01-13/griffiths-excited-by-key-talls
"Lessen the gap between my good games and my bad games" FMD he has had 5 good games in 6 years. And I'm being generous.
How skinny does this like look now? He gets outmuscled in most marking contest unless he has a run and jump and we decide to slim him down??
I hope he proves me wrong but this guy is a massive pretender IMO.
I made this comment about a year ago. The club has tried to make him into an aerobic beast and have made him too skinny. His major attributes as a junior were his size and booming kick. Both have been dialled out of him..... :banghead
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Thanks Mr Hardwick
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Each year under hardwick, they seem to just stagnate more and more mentally.
If the club was a country it would be Syria
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Each year under hardwick, they seem to just stagnate more and more mentally.
If the club was a country it would be Syria
Nah Oxxy, it would be North Korea with our Dear Leader.
Fast fact:- Did you know that according to insiders at the club, Hardwick once hit 18 holes in one in a row?
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Each year under hardwick, they seem to just stagnate more and more mentally.
If the club was a country it would be Syria
Nah Oxxy, it would be North Korea with our Dear Leader.
Fast fact:- Did you know that according to insiders at the club, Hardwick once hit 18 holes in one in a row?
Are we talking golf? :shh
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Each year under hardwick, they seem to just stagnate more and more mentally.
If the club was a country it would be Syria
Nah Oxxy, it would be North Korea with our Dear Leader.
Fast fact:- Did you know that according to insiders at the club, Hardwick once hit 18 holes in one in a row?
Are we talking golf? :shh
Whats golf?
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Each year under hardwick, they seem to just stagnate more and more mentally.
If the club was a country it would be Syria
Nah Oxxy, it would be North Korea with our Dear Leader.
Fast fact:- Did you know that according to insiders at the club, Hardwick once hit 18 holes in one in a row?
He truly is amazing.
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Each year under hardwick, they seem to just stagnate more and more mentally.
If the club was a country it would be Syria
Nah Oxxy, it would be North Korea with our Dear Leader.
Fast fact:- Did you know that according to insiders at the club, Hardwick once hit 18 holes in one in a row?
Are we talking golf? :shh
Whats golf?
Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden?
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Each year under hardwick, they seem to just stagnate more and more mentally.
If the club was a country it would be Syria
Nah Oxxy, it would be North Korea with our Dear Leader.
Fast fact:- Did you know that according to insiders at the club, Hardwick once hit 18 holes in one in a row?
Are we talking golf? :shh
Whats golf?
Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden?
Griffiths Off, Lazy Footballer?
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aw cmon you lot leave poor benny alone. He's only had 7 yrs and according to rfc dogma he has at least another three yrs to click.
Seriously though there is literally no other option unless we are prepared to throw blokes like Chol and Moore in the deepend because in 5 yrs Elton has done stuff all and now only goes back to playing fwd after another successful dimma experiment down back lol.
Grin and bear it people your gunna see heaps of jane ah sorry ben.
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Griffiths focused on consistency.
Ben Griffiths speaks to Roar Vision about the key people influencing his game ahead of the 2017 season.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-01-13/griffiths-excited-by-key-talls
Richmond key forward Ben Griffiths has set his sights on a more consistent year in 2017.
Griffiths played 13 senior matches last year, before an ongoing groin issue kept him on the sidelines.
“The ongoing thing for me is consistency – it’s something I’ll always be working on and it’s something I really want to get better,” Griffiths said.
“Lessen the gap between my good games and my bad games - that’s what I’m working towards.”
Griffiths, 25, is currently working his way back into pre-season training after undergoing a minor procedure to help relieve the groin injury.
“I’m tracking really well and I’m really optimistic about getting back into the main group and the full ground stuff pretty soon,” he said.
The towering forward spoke about the noticeable changes at Richmond ahead of season 2017.
He has a new mentor this year, after former Brisbane senior coach Justin Leppitsch returned to Punt Road Oval.
Leppitsch is in charge of Richmond’s forward line, and Griffiths said the change had already had a positive impact on the playing group.
“He’s created an environment where everyone is encouraged to speak up and it’s a really educating environment,” he said.
“It’s been really good to have that little bit of change and from his experiences as a head coach, he’s got some really good learning tools and he’s been super for the younger guys.”
Griffiths said he also looked to Tigers’ star defender Alex Rance for guidance, as he pushes to establish himself as a key target in the Tigers’ forward line.
“It’s definitely one thing I try and do, always match up on (Rance) at training,” Griffiths said.
“He’s really good at providing feedback on the ground – telling us what makes him uncomfortable, what he thinks our movements could be to catch the defenders off guard.
“It’s somewhat of a luxury to have him – he’s a good teacher, a good educator and he’s a really good guy to learn off.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-01-16/griffiths-looking-to-lessen-his-consistency-gap
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Tiger tall nearing return as Vickery replacement
AFL.com.au
17 January 2017
GROIN surgery late last year for Richmond key forward Ben Griffiths means he is yet to return to full training.
It was an issue that forced Griffiths to miss four of the final five games of 2016.
The upcoming season looms as a critical one for Griffiths. He will likely be the permanent replacement for Ty Vickery as the side's second marking target, behind Jack Riewoldt.
Vickery left for Hawthorn as a restricted free agent and while he was often maligned, he averaged close to two goals a game over the past three years.
"I had a little bit of a setback at the start of pre-season but I'm slowly integrating back into the main group," Griffiths told richmondfc.com.au.
"I had an ongoing groin problem towards the end of the season last year and then we ended up deciding to go in for an adductor release, just to release the pressure from the area and off the adductor tendon.
"It's very minor and I've just been progressing from then. I'm really optimistic about getting back into the main group and the full ground stuff pretty soon."
Griffiths lined up in 13 games last season and has never played more than 16 in a year.
Despite Vickery's departure, Griffiths predicted he would play a similar role.
"I'll still be a key forward target that pinch-hits in the ruck," he said.
"I don't mind floating through the ruck at stages. It's a pretty good role to lock down, which is why I'm so eager to get back into the main group. Then we've got guys like 'Nank' (Toby Nankervis) who's come in and is training really well."
However, the big man said he needed to improve to help the side. Richmond finished 13th last year after three consecutive finals appearances and was the fourth-lowest scoring team in the competition.
"The ongoing thing for me is consistency. It's something I'll always be working on and something I really want to get better," he said.
Griffiths said the Tigers could change their forward set-up to cater for Vickery's absence.
"It opens up a door for more hybrid types. We've got young Callum Moore coming through. He's been training really well and he's that mid-sized role," he said.
Moore, 20, was listed at 193cm and played the final two games of last season.
The Tigers kick off their pre-season campaign on Friday, February 24, against Adelaide at Etihad Stadium.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-01-16/tiger-tall-edging-closer-to-return-as-vickerys-replacement
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Wouldn't it just be the ducks nuts if our talls work out just a little.
Nankervis turns out to be a diamond in the rough.
Griffiths finally lives up to his potential and backs up Jack with a solid 30-40 goal season.
Astbury finds his balls and becomes a decent defender.
Moore becomes a legitimately useful swing man, playing 3rd tall both ends.
Honestly though the bookends are weak AF and we will be exposed this year...
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Forward Ben Griffiths has returned to full training after his 2016 season was ended by a groin injury after Round 20.
“He’s finally got back from his groin surgery,” Leppitsch said.
“And it’s good to have him out there because he’s got an important role to play.”
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jack-riewoldt-is-leading-from-the-front-during-richmond-preseason/news-story/0e86a21513be93daf075a6c976a5fa80)
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Wouldn't it just be the ducks nuts if our talls work out just a little.
Nankervis turns out to be a diamond in the rough.
Griffiths finally lives up to his potential and backs up Jack with a solid 30-40 goal season.
Astbury finds his balls and becomes a decent defender.
Moore becomes a legitimately useful swing man, playing 3rd tall both ends.
Honestly though the bookends are weak AF and we will be exposed this year...
We are in big trouble.
Astbury is slow and immobile.
Griffiths averaged 1 goal per game. 25 yo.
Moore - way too early and hasnt really shown.much.
Nankervis - will be a solid contibutor and first 22. Has a crack and may oust Hampson. Will hit the scoreboard with maybe 12-18 goals.
No Chf or chb of afl standard. Only substandard options. Will leak goals and struggle to kick them ourselves.
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Wouldn't it just be the ducks nuts if our talls work out just a little.
Nankervis turns out to be a diamond in the rough.
Griffiths finally lives up to his potential and backs up Jack with a solid 30-40 goal season.
Astbury finds his balls and becomes a decent defender.
Moore becomes a legitimately useful swing man, playing 3rd tall both ends.
Honestly though the bookends are weak AF and we will be exposed this year...
We are in big trouble.
Astbury is slow and immobile.
Griffiths averaged 1 goal per game. 25 yo.
Moore - way too early and hasnt really shown.much.
Nankervis - will be a solid contibutor and first 22. Has a crack and may oust Hampson. Will hit the scoreboard with maybe 12-18 goals.
No Chf or chb of afl standard. Only substandard options. Will leak goals and struggle to kick them ourselves.
So otherwise we're good?
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Wouldn't it just be the ducks nuts if our talls work out just a little.
Nankervis turns out to be a diamond in the rough.
Griffiths finally lives up to his potential and backs up Jack with a solid 30-40 goal season.
Astbury finds his balls and becomes a decent defender.
Moore becomes a legitimately useful swing man, playing 3rd tall both ends.
Honestly though the bookends are weak AF and we will be exposed this year...
We are in big trouble.
Astbury is slow and immobile.
Griffiths averaged 1 goal per game. 25 yo.
Moore - way too early and hasnt really shown.much.
Nankervis - will be a solid contibutor and first 22. Has a crack and may oust Hampson. Will hit the scoreboard with maybe 12-18 goals.
No Chf or chb of afl standard. Only substandard options. Will leak goals and struggle to kick them ourselves.
So otherwise we're good?
Just warming up doc ;D
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We're at the mercy of Peggy's, Hillary-esque running of the club.
Lock her up! :snidegrin
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We're at the mercy of Peggy's, Hillary-esque running of the club.
Lock her up! :snidegrin
HHHaarrgghhhhh thats freakin hilarious.
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Crooked Peggy..
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Peggy O'$hill....
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Balmey talking about Ben Griffiths . . .
“Ben has got so much talent. He really came on last year, at times, but he’s just got to be more consistent about it. He can jump at the ball beautifully, he’s a magnificent kick, he can actually play in the ruck, he knows where the ball’s going . . . He’s just got to have the belief . . .”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-02-16/a-tale-of-two-tiger-bens
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Balmey talking about Ben Griffiths . . .
“Ben has got so much talent. He really came on last year, at times, but he’s just got to be more consistent about it. He can jump at the ball beautifully, he’s a magnificent kick, he can actually play in the ruck, he knows where the ball’s going . . . He’s just got to have the belief . . .”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-02-16/a-tale-of-two-tiger-bens
Spot on for me believe is the thing and confidence and going missing in games.
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I expect Ben to improve on last year and kick a bag of 5 goals in 2 games this year instead of doing it in 1 in the last 5 years. .
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I expect Ben to improve on last year and kick a bag of 5 goals in 2 games this year instead of doing it in 1 in the last 5 years. .
That's a 100% improvement! :clapping
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I expect Ben to improve on last year and kick a bag of 5 goals in 2 games this year instead of doing it in 1 in the last 5 years. .
That's a 100% improvement! :clapping
yep and we all know that means a 2 year extension :banghead
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I predict Vickery to kick 40 plus goals at Hawthorn.
Benny to kick 15 this year for the tigers .
Rock n Roll.
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Should've got rid of both of them...
..Stewart looked good for the Pedsophiles last night....traded for pick 77.... :shh
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The sooner the club realise that Ben is just a highlight package the better. You cannot build a decent side with players like Ben Griffiths in it unfortunately.
It's being pretty harsh I know but he just haven't got what it takes to be a consistent AFL player. He is a peaheart.
Give him first crack at it if he is fit but I wouldn't play him for the sake of it, play the kids and fast track them if he is not preforming at a consistent level.
He has had long enough to be gifted games.
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I predict Vickery to kick 40 plus goals at Hawthorn.
Benny to kick 15 this year for the tigers .
Rock n Roll.
So what?
He used to kick 30 goals per year with us (based on averages) but he did stuff all else.
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I predict Vickery to kick 40 plus goals at Hawthorn.
Benny to kick 15 this year for the tigers .
Rock n Roll.
So what?
He used to kick 30 goals per year with us (based on averages) but he did stuff all else.
Ill tell you what, the foxtel commentators were going the hard spruike on Vickery 2 minutes into last nights game. King and Brereton. Literally the quotes were
"Hes a premium tap ruckman, Vickery"
"Look at the ground he covered. Yep works hard does Vickery"
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I predict Vickery to kick 40 plus goals at Hawthorn.
Benny to kick 15 this year for the tigers .
Rock n Roll.
So what?
He used to kick 30 goals per year with us (based on averages) but he did stuff all else.
Ill tell you what, the foxtel commentators were going the hard spruike on Vickery 2 minutes into last nights game. King and Brereton. Literally the quotes were
"Hes a premium tap ruckman, Vickery"
"Look at the ground he covered. Yep works hard does Vickery"
How about that arsey pass in the 2nd qtr "Richmond fans will tearing their hair out" yeah right, over a random 15 metre kick that happened to fall into someone's arms
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I predict Vickery to kick 40 plus goals at Hawthorn.
Benny to kick 15 this year for the tigers .
Rock n Roll.
So what?
He used to kick 30 goals per year with us (based on averages) but he did stuff all else.
Ill tell you what, the foxtel commentators were going the hard spruike on Vickery 2 minutes into last nights game. King and Brereton. Literally the quotes were
"Hes a premium tap ruckman, Vickery"
"Look at the ground he covered. Yep works hard does Vickery"
How about that arsey pass in the 2nd qtr "Richmond fans will tearing their hair out" yeah right, over a random 15 metre kick that happened to fall into someone's arms
Notice after quarter time he did sweet fa as he was buggered?
So much for buliding his endurance at the hawks. I reckon it will be more of the same old Vickery in 2017. Cheapies out the back and sucking in the big ones
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The sooner the club realise that Ben is just a highlight package the better. You cannot build a decent side with players like Ben Griffiths in it unfortunately.
It's being pretty harsh I know but he just haven't got what it takes to be a consistent AFL player. He is a peaheart.
Give him first crack at it if he is fit but I wouldn't play him for the sake of it, play the kids and fast track them if he is not preforming at a consistent level.
He has had long enough to be gifted games.
Top post Tone. :thumbsup :clapping
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The sooner the club realise that Ben is just a highlight package the better. You cannot build a decent side with players like Ben Griffiths in it unfortunately.
It's being pretty harsh I know but he just haven't got what it takes to be a consistent AFL player. He is a peaheart.
Give him first crack at it if he is fit but I wouldn't play him for the sake of it, play the kids and fast track them if he is not preforming at a consistent level.
He has had long enough to be gifted games.
Would agree unfortunately. It's odd, I have seen him do some courageous things but too often he doesn't show enough tenacity. As a big man he's got to set the standard when it comes to attacking the footy. When your big blokes aren't intimidating, and ours aren't, you're in trouble.
Our KPF depth is horrible. 1 good forward
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Opposition supporters wouldn't even know who he was - and hes from the same draft as Dusty.
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The sooner the club realise that Ben is just a highlight package the better. You cannot build a decent side with players like Ben Griffiths in it unfortunately.
It's being pretty harsh I know but he just haven't got what it takes to be a consistent AFL player. He is a peaheart.
Give him first crack at it if he is fit but I wouldn't play him for the sake of it, play the kids and fast track them if he is not preforming at a consistent level.
He has had long enough to be gifted games.
Thats a pretty good summation. But im asking what kids are better than him?
What your asking and i agree with you whole heartedly for several reasons is we throw the very limited options we have in the deep end.
The only options we have are Elton, Chol, Moore in anyones language it is slim pickings despite the attributes all three have but dont display.
We remain in a horrid place when it comes to talls in general.
With out a doubt Riewoldt and Griffiths will play we can only hope they have enough sense to play and look at one or all of the the others on a regular basis.
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What attributes does Elton have?
He's been here 17 years and played 3 games.
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What attributes does Elton have?
He's been here 17 years and played 3 games.
Attributes - hes tall and he has a contract.
The same attributes as Cleve Hughes and Adam Pattinson had but the club has nfi
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What attributes does Elton have?
He's been here 17 years and played 3 games.
Attributes - hes tall and he has a contract.
The same attributes as Cleve Hughes and Adam Pattinson had but the club has nfi
:lol
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What attributes does Elton have?
He's been here 17 years and played 3 games.
I still recon if he was given 20 games this year as a forward he would kick more goals than Griff.
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And there we go with the old he's poo but better than another poo player argument
FFS no wonder we have wallowed in the pits of mediocrity for the last 35 years
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And there we go with the old he's poo but better than another poo player argument
FFS no wonder we have wallowed in the pits of mediocrity for the last 35 years
I actually think Elton has a chance as a forward, I don't think he will be Wayne Carey but he is a good size, agile and is a very good mark. And if he was well coached and given a decent crack at it, I think he would be ok as a third tall.
I just think it is more stupid to go with someone we already know hasn't got the balls for it.
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And there we go with the old he's poo but better than another poo player argument
FFS no wonder we have wallowed in the pits of mediocrity for the last 35 years
I actually think Elton has a chance as a forward, I don't think he will be Wayne Carey but he is a good size, agile and is a very good mark. And if he was well coached and given a decent crack at it, I think he would be ok as a third tall.
I just think it is more stupid to go with someone we already know hasn't got the balls for it.
The trouble is, Griff actually can ruck a bit. Elton can't. They really need to give Elton a decent crack at it at senior level this year. Why have him on the list if you are never going to play him?
The club has never developed Griff properly. He was better early on when he was bigger. They made him thinner and thus with more aerobic capacity but then robbed him of strength which was tied to his bulk. Add to that a paper mâché body that got injured frequently and mental weakness and you end up with the player we have now. :banghead
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Brad Miller and Aaron Edwards were more consistant than Griff.
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Brad Miller and Aaron Edwards were more consistant than Griff.
Haha!
Easily....
Sad isn't it!
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And there we go with the old he's poo but better than another poo player argument
FFS no wonder we have wallowed in the pits of mediocrity for the last 35 years
I actually think Elton has a chance as a forward, I don't think he will be Wayne Carey but he is a good size, agile and is a very good mark. And if he was well coached and given a decent crack at it, I think he would be ok as a third tall.
I just think it is more stupid to go with someone we already know hasn't got the balls for it.
5 years, 4 games. I hope your right but this kid has Paddy Steinfort written all over him
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When it comes to debating the merits of Elton, all i say is, if he gets the boot at the end of the year, after we persisted for so long, then I want those at the helm who persisted with him, to following him out...pretty simple
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Upgrade Soldo or Chol ASAP please....hell - can Elton ruck?
Unfortunately his ability (and I use he term loosely) to play second ruck wlll keep him in the side for far longer than it should.
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Upgrade Soldo or Chol ASAP please....hell - can Elton ruck?
Unfortunately his ability (and I use he term loosely) to play second ruck wlll keep him in the side for far longer than it should.
How many times did he engage in a wrestle while the footy was in the air to not even get his hands out to try and mark it. He was WOG for me.
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Hunt was worse. But griff was poor. Again. 8 years in the system. Tic toc
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One of Astbury or Griffiths have to go for Elton, probably wont be any better but cant do much worse until we restock our KP players
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TheBigGirlGriff was outmuscled and outplayed for most of the game.
I liked it when he was beaten and then got up and limped......Classic BigGirlGriff. :rollin
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TheBigGirlGriff was outmuscled and outplayed for most of the game.
I liked it when he was beaten and then got up and limped......Classic BigGirlGriff. :rollin
t@s on a bull is Griff.
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Graham on the LTIL.
Time to get somebody else to replace Griff and Astbury.
Chol, Elton, anybody. Heck even C Moore I'd give a shot.
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I see more of the same which when push comes to shove amounts to very little from this bloke ah well with no other options i suppose we are stuck with hi.
Personally we would be better off getting games into all three of Chol, Moore and Elton pee pip squeak off and play two of the others lets at least start looking for an alternative who cares if they dont work out they can hardly do worse than the current pea heart.
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The biggest spud this bloke. Made vickery look like an actual footballer.
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lets not go nuts
He stuck some marks in a pack. When did Vickery ever do that? LOL
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Vickery hasn't played a game for his new club and already his legend is growing
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well chuck, we have to concede no-one marked a ball with his face quite like Vickery
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True oh wise one
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theres nothing left to say about this dog of a footballer...vfl level at best...chol or soldo surely...at least they have potential
otherwise go lennon or bolton or stengle...small yes but they can use eachother as a prop and still launch at high balls and crumb at the same time
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Vickery hasn't played a game for his new club and already his legend is growing
I wouldn't have it any other way
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I wondering who the new whipping boy would be ,I thought his game was serviceable
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This guy is just about dead to me.
8 seasons in the system.
Has only looked interested in being out there in about 2 of his career games.
Any chance he will EVER take a contested mark despite playing on guys 3-6 cm shorter than him?
Averages just 0.65 goals per game.
Mentally fragile.
Pooman.
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I wondering who the new whipping boy would be ,I thought his game was serviceable
I must have missed the memo which said 0 goals, 5 kicks and 3 free kicks given away was a pass mark for a key forward, against inexperienced kids no less.
Can someone hit me up?
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I not sure where you're figures are coming from? Have a look at the AfL and by the way did you notice his rucckwork
If you didn't go to the match you wouldn't have noticed that the small blokes crumbling the packs as the Carlton defenders couldn't take easy marks
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yeah nah...Griffiths was arse...
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Let's cut him some slack :lol
It's not his fault he was picked up immediately before Nathan Fyfe.Obviously the comparison are taking its toll on the fellow.
And it's not his fault he's made of biscuits and crumbles at the slightest touch. :rollin
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Let's cut him some slack :lol
It's not his fault he was picked up immediately before Nathan Fyfe.Obviously the comparison are taking its toll on the fellow.
And it's not his fault he's made of biscuits and crumbles at the slightest touch. :rollin
Was he?
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Yep pick 19 for Fyfe pick 18 for Griff. Next National draft we need to get a key position player but I'd replace Astbury first.
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Lets cut him some slack - so were 18 other players, Andrew Moore went a full 10 spots before (and also somehow made it onto our list). Fyfe desperately wanted to come to Richmond though :banghead :banghead.
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I wondering who the new whipping boy would be ,I thought his game was serviceable
Had a "purple patch" where he took a couple marks on the lead in a short time but that is literally all he provided. Those kicks ended up just being big up and unders hoping for the best
I not sure where you're figures are coming from? Have a look at the AfL and by the way did you notice his rucckwork
If you didn't go to the match you wouldn't have noticed that the small blokes crumbling the packs as the Carlton defenders couldn't take easy marks
What, 8 hit outs (none to advantage) which was the lowest of any ruckman on the field. P.S his figures are the same as those listed on the AFL site. But good on him for bringing the ball to the ground because we desperately need forwards who wrestle and don't get their hands to the ball so the defenders easily punch it away :clapping
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Time to give Chol and Moore a fair crack at it now, griff has had more than enough chances to take the next step. His output is simply unacceptable
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Softo Griffo
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Apart from that mark Griff was useless. Bring in a bono fide ruckman and rest Nank forward. He is a much better forward option in any case.
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Soldo
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Typical Griff
Goals 0
Concussions 1
True to form .
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Typical Griff
Goals 0
Concussions 1
True to form .
His pure garbage let's not beat around the bush here. I find it hard to believe we can't find anyone better than this spud
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If the new mantra is 'play on instincts' then I hope Griff starts having a few pot shots from 60m out, when he actually gets it and is not concussed.
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If we're going to insist on playing him every week then it really should be his prime directive as it's pretty much his only real weapon....
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Would prefer we have kept Vickery
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I'd prefer we'd got rid of them both....
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Trade to Brisbane with our first rounder for Schache.
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Wanted to see Maric play instead of Griffiths last night. Likely wet outfield, lot of stoppages. Needed a tough ruck to help Nank.
Hope he doesn't play for a while, gets himself right for some VFL footy.
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At least we know we can't do any worse
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True. I don't see much of Elton at vfl but he too must be that putrid if he can't get a gig ahead of the big girl
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Elton Struggled makes Jayden Post look like Wayne Carey.
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Typical Griff
Goals 0
Concussions 1
True to form .
His pure garbage let's not beat around the bush here. I find it hard to believe we can't find anyone better than this spud
what would you know about his garbage? do you go through his rubbish bins?
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Well why does our coaching staff rate Griffiths so highly
Why don't they read these pages and listen to the jurnos
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Typical Griff
Goals 0
Concussions 1
True to form .
His pure garbage let's not beat around the bush here. I find it hard to believe we can't find anyone better than this spud
what would you know about his garbage? do you go through his rubbish bins?
:lol
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Well why does our coaching staff rate Griffiths so highly
Why don't they read these pages and listen to the jurnos
Let me guess, you were also defending the inclusion of Hunt when we all called for him to get dropped. Guess what... he got dropped :lol. Maybe most on here do have a bit of a clue.
P.S he's in purely through lack of choice and structure. Coaches and fans alike know that
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Oh and I've never heard a journo talk him up either :lol
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Our kPP stocks are absolute bollocks. That's why.
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Well why does our coaching staff rate Griffiths so highly
Why don't they read these pages and listen to the jurnos
Oh cmon. Really?
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Well why does our coaching staff rate Griffiths so highly
Because he is the best trainer at the club
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Probably won't play next week because of concussion.
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Probably won't play next week because of concussion.
The players should make sure he gets a concussion everyweek at training.
Keep him off the park.
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The question is who comes in for him?
Soldo? Too green?
Maric? Too cooked?
Elton? Too crap?
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The question is who comes in for him?
Soldo? Too green?
Maric? Too cooked?
Elton? Too crap?
Soldo for mine. Reward form.
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The question is who comes in for him?
Soldo? Too green?
Maric? Too cooked?
Elton? Too crap?
How good was that mark :bow
If he doesn't come up i would look to Elton. I don't think we can play two lumbering rucks but we have no confidence in Elton but we keep that mobile structure by playing him. Elton can take on Vardy in the ruck and if we play a small forward line we must lower our eyes and not bomb the ball long and high.
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Is Chol a ruck option?
He is more athletic, his weight is listed at 93kgs, height 198, he would have to be better than Griffiths listed height 200
We have to give nank a chop out or else he will get injured/burnt out.
Can we use soldo, chol and nank in the same team?
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Is Chol a ruck option?
He is more athletic, his weight is listed at 93kgs, height 198, he would have to be better than Griffiths listed height 200
We have to give nank a chop out or else he will get injured/burnt out.
Can we use soldo, chol and nank in the same team?
Like Griff Choi was concussed Thursday so he might not be available. I would like to develop Chol and perhaps Moore at some stage this year in the senior team.
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Griff was just starting to take those great grabs I remember we picked him up for, if he could do that further back on the field and send those booming big kicks straight back down the other end again, he would be a Jim Jesse awesome. He has a massive boot, I reckon all the dinky poo ruined his game, he looks like he is getting back to more natural instincts a bit.
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Richmond will struggle if Griff does not play forward/ruck against WC
He's one of the only players with size who has a great leap
Let's see who the replacement and compare the marks ,tackles ,knock ons acts of courage the replacement player brings to the game. Unfortunately I'm guessing I'm going to have a big laugh at all the experts. I hope I'm wrong but let see!!
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Richmond will struggle if Griff does not play forward/ruck against WC
He's one of the only players with size who has a great leap
Let's see who the replacement and compare the marks ,tackles ,knock ons acts of courage the replacement player brings to the game. Unfortunately I'm guessing I'm going to have a big laugh at all the experts. I hope I'm wrong but let see!!
"Acts of courage" give me a spell!
The guys is a peaheart that knocks himself out without even hiting his head. He did the same against North over in Tassie a year or so ago.
I like that our players are allowed to play with a bit more natural instinct this year but if you are going to try and take a hanger, at the very least don't give away a free kick doing so. Nothing that makes me angrier!!
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I may be mistaken but in the relplay of his fall it looks like he doesn't even hit his head ?
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Dunno how he hit his head as it looked very innocuous.
But he looked white as a ghost after the game.
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I may be mistaken but in the relplay of his fall it looks like he doesn't even hit his head ?
My understanding is with a long history of concussion he doesn't actually need a whack direct to his scone to suffer another concussion
That's how sensitive his head is to concussion. He landed awkwardly on his back and shoulders, could easily cause it via some sort of jarring
People will laugh and ridicule but that's how it was explained to me by someone who copped a few concussion playing another sport
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Time for Ben to throw the towel in methinks.
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I may be mistaken but in the relplay of his fall it looks like he doesn't even hit his head ?
My understanding is with a long history of concussion he doesn't actually need a whack direct to his scone to suffer another concussion
That's how sensitive his head is to concussion. He landed awkwardly on his back and shoulders, could easily cause it via some sort of jarring
People will laugh and ridicule but that's how it was explained to me by someone who copped a few concussion playing another sport
Thought something like that might be the case. If so i reckon it really is time to throw in the towel.
Can't expect him to compete and crash packs knowing he can get concussed just by landing hard.
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Agree - time to throw in the towel. This could also happen if he cops a solid bump when hes not expecting it, whats going to happen when he deadset cops a heavy one to the head?
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Which is the reason I believe he is courageous,been knocking himself out for a while.
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Time for Ben to throw the towel in methinks.
Yep. Bye bye Benny. Had so much potential like all the KPFs before you
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I kind of feel a bit sorry for him but I am happy not to see him again too.
In all seriousness, he has had ample time on our list only to be getting KO"ed without even hitting his head.
I think Ben's body is unfortunately not made for AFL footy.
I just hope we learn our lesson and move on and try someone else up forward.
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I kind of feel a bit sorry for him but I am happy not to see him again too.
In all seriousness, he has had ample time on our list only to be getting KO"ed without even hitting his head.
I think Ben's body is unfortunately not made for AFL footy.
I just hope we learn our lesson and move on and try someone else up forward.
I think Ben did get hit by an elbow to the temple?
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I may be mistaken but in the relplay of his fall it looks like he doesn't even hit his head ?
My understanding is with a long history of concussion he doesn't actually need a whack direct to his scone to suffer another concussion
That's how sensitive his head is to concussion. He landed awkwardly on his back and shoulders, could easily cause it via some sort of jarring
People will laugh and ridicule but that's how it was explained to me by someone who copped a few concussion playing another sport
Yep. A whiplash sort of effect. Shows how weak his body is though. Martin smashes into a bloke, breaks his jaw and plays the rest of the game. Griffiths lands on his arm and jolts his shoulder and spends the rest of the game concussed.
It's a big reason why he doesn't jump into contests as much and prefers the wrestle. Protecting his noggin because he doesn't have the courage to fly for those marks
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It's a bit harsh to say he doesn't have "the courage". If there's a risk of getting concussion every time he flies for a grab, it highlights his courage as opposed to his lack of it when he doesn't.
Having said that, it bothers me that there's a risk in the first place. I hope the club know what they're doing as it's playing with a young mans long term health
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^^I agree
He took a took a contested mark which suggests he is not afraid of flying for the ball and he flew for a Mark when he got concussed. Courage is not an issue.
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Should've of off loaded this bloke 2 years ago.
Or maybe if we dreamed of having a decent recruiter that called out Fyfes name instead. :rollin
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It's a bit harsh to say he doesn't have "the courage". If there's a risk of getting concussion every time he flies for a grab, it highlights his courage as opposed to his lack of it when he doesn't.
Having said that, it bothers me that there's a risk in the first place. I hope the club know what they're doing as it's playing with a young mans long term health
I worded that wrong so I sort of agree with what you're saying if I take that into consideration. However what I meant was he's gone completely the other way. He's a flight risk when he goes for the high flying speccies so instead of even leading at the ball and jumping into it he would rather wrestle. There's no reason he can't jump up and take it out in front, it doesn't have to be over everyones head
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It's a bit harsh to say he doesn't have "the courage". If there's a risk of getting concussion every time he flies for a grab, it highlights his courage as opposed to his lack of it when he doesn't.
Having said that, it bothers me that there's a risk in the first place. I hope the club know what they're doing as it's playing with a young mans long term health
I worded that wrong so I sort of agree with what you're saying if I take that into consideration. However what I meant was he's gone completely the other way. He's a flight risk when he goes for the high flying speccies so instead of even leading at the ball and jumping into it he would rather wrestle. There's no reason he can't jump up and take it out in front, it doesn't have to be over everyones head
I find myself agreeing with you lately which is very unnerving.. I would add that leading hard for the ball time and time again shows the courage to 'gut bust'.
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I think a key issue is that he seems to be physically weak for his size. He gets pushed around too easily and can't seem to get into prime position in marking contests.
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It's a bit harsh to say he doesn't have "the courage". If there's a risk of getting concussion every time he flies for a grab, it highlights his courage as opposed to his lack of it when he doesn't.
Having said that, it bothers me that there's a risk in the first place. I hope the club know what they're doing as it's playing with a young mans long term health
I worded that wrong so I sort of agree with what you're saying if I take that into consideration. However what I meant was he's gone completely the other way. He's a flight risk when he goes for the high flying speccies so instead of even leading at the ball and jumping into it he would rather wrestle. There's no reason he can't jump up and take it out in front, it doesn't have to be over everyones head
I find myself agreeing with you lately which is very unnerving.. I would add that leading hard for the ball time and time again shows the courage to 'gut bust'.
You've always had a crush on me :-*
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His problem is he is easily spoiled in the contest.
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He won't be going any where this year.
Anyone look at what else he's been doing on the field apart from high marking
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He won't be going any where this year.
Anyone look at what else he's been doing on the field apart from high marking
Like kicking goals? Laying tackles? Racking up disposals?
Is Griff shining in those areas?
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It's not hard to look at stats for each of his games this year.
Yes check the tackles and taps to small forwards as per the coaches direction
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Does Ben have a family relative who posts on this site ?
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no but I had money on the bum coming good for this year
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:lol
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no but I had money on the bum coming good for this year
I take offense to that. You should never put money on a bum
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no but I had money on the bum coming good for this year
I take offense to that. You should never put money on a bum
Or in a bum
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Richmond forward Ben Griffiths is adamant he is not considering retirement despite his latest knock
GILBERT GARDINER and JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
35 minutes ago
BEN Griffiths is adamant he is not considering retirement despite his latest hit and an “extremely scary” history of concussions.
Tigers forward Griffiths was rattled after landing heavily in a marking contest during the third quarter of last week’s MCG win over Collingwood.
He did not hit his head on the ground, instead concussed in a jarring or whiplash-style incident.
He will miss this weekend’s game but at this stage is hopeful of returning in Round 4 to make the trip north to take on Brisbane.
Another concussion this year would be cause for extreme concern given the cumulative nature of the hits.
But while Sean Dempster is the latest AFL player to retired because of concussions, it is understood 25-year-old Griffiths is not at that stage yet.
His teammate Jack Riewoldt said the Tigers were worried about his concussion history, after concussions in four of the past five seasons.
The 200cm forward, whose head did not hit the ground in the innocuous incident, was laid out for several minutes before coming off the ground under his own steam.
He did not return to the field.
Despite a nine-day break between games, Griffiths was ruled out of Saturday’s game against West Coast at the earliest opportunity.
Richmond vice-captain Jack Riewoldt said Griffiths’ welfare is the priority.
“With his history it’s extremely scary,” Riewoldt told RSN 927.
“(Griffiths) has had multiple, multiple concussions. Definitely over five.
“We just need to make sure that certainly his welfare is the thing that is put first and our doctors are certainly going to do that.”
The AFL continues to recommend to players with serious concussions they undergo brain scans at Melbourne’s Florey Institute.
After an encouraging 2016 season he signed a contract extension locking him away until the end of 2018.
Griffiths missed two preseason games last year with concussion after copping an elbow to the head from Fremantle ruckman Aaron Sandilands.
Sandilands was suspended for one game for the knockout blow.
Griffiths returned in time for Round 1, and wore a protective helmet which he has continued to use.
He has played just 63 games and kicked 42 goals in eight seasons at Punt Rd.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-forward-ben-griffiths-is-adamant-he-is-not-considering-retirement-despite-his-latest-knock/news-story/e5fbb7cac5de6c8b514933f0b22f3ea7
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C'mon Ben, it's for the best.....can't run a lost dog's home if you're senile...
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Am I missing something ? Where's the quote of Ben saying anything ?
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:lol :lol good ol HS
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P.S he probably should consider it...seriously
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Given the way (whiplash) he was concussed I reckon there is some susceptibility there. But maybe Y&B could comment on that. I agree with others, he should consider retirement.
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Given the way (whiplash) he was concussed I reckon there is some susceptibility there. But maybe Y&B could comment on that. I agree with others, he should consider retirement.
I actually have no issue with the how he suffered this concussion, absolutely true from what I've had explained to me
I posted earlier in the week that someone I know who had suffered a number of concussion playing a number of sports & they were adamant that you don't need to be whacked in the scone to suffer a concussion. It can be caused by something else, they used as an example a jarring motion through the back can cause it. Which in Griffiths case is what is likely to have happened
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Given the way (whiplash) he was concussed I reckon there is some susceptibility there. But maybe Y&B could comment on that. I agree with others, he should consider retirement.
I actually have no issue with the how he suffered this concussion, absolutely true from what I've had explained to me
I wasn't inferring that it is fake?..Not sure how you could draw that conclusion. I was wondering if he has a concussion predilection. If so he should retire ASAP.
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Yeah I've seen rugby players also concussed just from taking a hit to the torso. If it's big enough it happens.
Problem is Benny gets concussed all the time, and even when he's not he plays like poo and gives us about one noteworthy game per year.
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In reality, and due deference to Ben, it would make no difference to our flag aspirations if he did retire
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Should trade to GWS who are our trade bunnies
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He should reconsider retiring.
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Stay away from trams
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My question is, is there somebody trying to send Benny a message some how :shh
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Some people go into packs and burst out unhurt Unbruised and other bump into the dunny door and break an arm. He is just not made to bash n crash I guess.
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Another head blow for Griffiths
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
25 April 2017
BEN Griffiths’ career is set to again be interrupted by concussion with the Richmond forward suffering a head knock on his return from concussion on Saturday.
Teammate Jack Riewoldt said this month that Griffiths had already suffered more than five concussions and his history of blows was “extremely scary”.
Griffiths, 25, suffered the injury in the Tigers’ VFL win on Saturday — his first appearance since a nasty concussion sustained against Collingwood in Round 2.
Tigers football boss Neil Balme said the club had to be over conservative managing the 200cm forward.
“It’s hard work — it’s not looking good for him, but we’re not quite sure where that will go either,” Balme said on 3AW on Monday night.
“We’re probably over conservative but I think that’s the way we need to be.
“They’re almost subjective things, concussions. That’s the hard thing with it.”
Tigers utility Nick Vlastuin sat out last night’s match against Melbourne with concussion.
“We encourage our doctor to be really conservative,” Balme said.
“So in reality five years ago he (Vlastuin) probably would’ve played, but he was a little bit tender or ginger after it so we didn’t even put any sort of pressure on him to play.”
Griffiths, who wears a helmet, has suffered concussion injuries in four of the past five seasons.
“With his history it’s extremely scary,” Riewoldt said.
“(Griffiths) has had multiple, multiple concussions. Definitely over five.
“We just need to make sure that certainly his welfare is the thing that is put first and our doctors are certainly going to do that.”
Melbourne hard nut Angus Brayshaw suffered yet another head knock in the VFL on Saturday while St Kilda warrior Sean Dempster retired this month due to a history of head knocks.
Two Demons have also retired in recent seasons due to blows to the head — Rohan Bail and Heritier Lumumba.
Balme was hopeful Vlastuin would be fit for Sunday’s trip to face Adelaide.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/ben-griffiths-suffers-another-head-knock-in-comeback-game/news-story/c50b38f9d503b9236dcb96bc758fe9bb
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I think he's gotta hang up the boots. I always was a believer in him but concussions really are a scary thing, so much unknown about them and in a sport like afl he can't be expected to compete properly with the weakness of being concussed so quickly. Shame really.
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If you've had one are you more likely to have another anybody know?
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Supposedly you are more prone.
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He wouldn't of lasted 5 minutes in the old days. Imagine him playing footy in the 80's when defenders actually punched or elbowed the head on purpose.
He's definitely a better option than Elton but how can anyone be sure he's not going to go down with the first marking contest in the game, then we are always a key position player down from then.
I really don't think we can take the risk with him.
I guess most players can take the hits but some just aren't cut out for it.
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Reckon he might be done. He was putting on a decent show this year before that too, was actually using his body on the packs and getting some air for marks, using his big kick more.. just our friggen luck
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Hopefully hes done. For his sake and the sake of the team moving fwd.
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:lol
Done & dusted? Took me a while but I am a little slow. :rollin
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Good way to offload a bloke, that's for sure.
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Good way to offload a bloke, that's for sure.
Come on with all due respect players welfare is number one priority no need for that.
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Player welfare needs to come first. It looks a real possibility he will retire due to injury.
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That he actually doesn't need a direct knock to the head to suffer an concussion (like what a happened against the pies) is the scariest thing
Personally, I think it's time to seriously consider giving it away. Ben's long term health is paramount here
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Maybe one of the resident docs on here can confirm but my understanding is once you cop a concussion that brain trauma is visible in cat scans for life. Imagine copping 5
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Needs to retire. Too many head knocks. Dents the confidence and mental state with the possibility of getting another one. Give him an off field role. For his lon term well being.
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Griff takes his helmet off and hangs the boots up
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I must say the helmets that Griffiths wears are pretty useless and not doing their job.
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Go the full face motorbike helmet you reckon?
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I must say the helmets that Griffiths wears are pretty useless and not doing their job.
Helmets do nothing for jarring sustained from big bumps and falling to the ground from great heights.
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I must say the helmets that Griffiths wears are pretty useless and not doing their job.
Helmets do nothing for jarring sustained from big bumps and falling to the ground from great heights.
Maybe an airbag around his head might help
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Actually there are varying differences of opinion in regards to wearing helmets
Wearing one obviously increases the circumstances of the head making it more likely to get more hits
Players find them strange to wear thus the reluctance to wear one
It different to a motor bike helmet where you are sitting stationary
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Maybe one of the resident docs on here can confirm but my understanding is once you cop a concussion that brain trauma is visible in cat scans for life. Imagine copping 5
Not (usually) correct
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Maybe one of the resident docs on here can confirm but my understanding is once you cop a concussion that brain trauma is visible in cat scans for life. Imagine copping 5
Sorry missed this question tm.
The answer is no for CT scans. A special type of MRI called DTI-MRI may be able to show micro trauma in the brain. However that is not widely available I believe.
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hmm they just told me head trauma was character building
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Hope the kid retires, this is surely the best thing for his health long-term.
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Ben Griffiths out indefinitely after suffering second concussion this year
Jon Ralph,
Herald Sun
April 27, 2017
RICHMOND will be forced to rely upon VFL regular Todd Elton as it seeks expert opinions on Ben Griffiths’ concussion management.
Griffiths is out of football indefinitely after a second concussion this year, an elbow to the head was only of moderate force.
With a concussion history that Jack Riewoldt says is “extremely scary”, Griffiths will visit concussion specialists.
It means he will spend an extended time on the sidelines, with Elton the last man left standing to support Riewoldt as a key position tall.
The No.26 pick in the 2011 national draft has played seven games in his six seasons at Richmond and kicked only one goal as a forward who can help out in the ruck.
Tyrone Vickery left for Hawthorn over the summer and rookie Mabior Chol is not yet ready, but the forward line continues to thrive.
The Tigers have averaged a league-high 10.3 goalkickers per match this year in their unbeaten run, with Adelaide second on an average of 10 per game.
Richmond will take on fellow 5-0 side Adelaide on Sunday at Adelaide Oval with Dustin Martin fully recovered from his groin issue despite a six-day break.
But head of football Neil Balme said Griffiths’ next step was in the hands of experts.
“It was a reasonable collision but it probably wouldn’t have affected nine out of 10 blokes,’’ he said.
“It is a concern so will work out what is going to happen with him.
“We will put him in mothballs and get a few more opinions on it but it’s not considered career-threatening at the moment.”
The Tigers are yet to determine an exact time for Griffiths to spend on the sidelines.
Griffiths is contracted until the end of 2018 and is determined to return to the game if he can get medical approval and it is deemed safe.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/ben-griffiths-out-indefinitely-after-suffering-second-concussion-this-year/news-story/49a8a5348eb52302261346528968252b
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Maybe one of the resident docs on here can confirm but my understanding is once you cop a concussion that brain trauma is visible in cat scans for life. Imagine copping 5
Sorry missed this question tm.
It's alright bro I already answered it
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Elton has played seven games in his six seasons at Richmond and kicked only one goal
:lol :lol FMD
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Fellow big man Ben Griffiths will have an extended break suffering more than five concussions throughout his career, the most recent of which occurred in the VFL last Saturday. Richmond football boss Neil Balme has said the hit wouldn't have injured most players.
"He’ll have some testing done. We're still very confident with Ben that he'll be available to play at some stage this year. We'll give him an extended break just to make sure we tick all the boxes with that. When that is, that’s up to Ben and the doctor to decide. We’ve just got to support Ben and make sure his welfare is first and foremost," Hardwick said.
Sources:
RFC website (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-04-28/setback-for-tiger-hampson)
Herald-Sun website (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-doesnt-want-a-shootout-against-attacking-adelaide-crows/news-story/2ca02909699b4aea2d94dc4e974b0a5e)
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Key forward Ben Griffiths was running laps at training as he continues to recover from another concussion. Hardwick remained confident Griffiths would return once given the all-clear from medicos after several serious head knocks.
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-10/prestia-only-a-slim-chance-of-facing-fremantle)
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Why take the risk honestly. Doesn't even need a direct knock to be concussed. Could end up like one of those old boxers from the 70's. So much unknown with concussion and the effects on the brain
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From President Peggy O'Neal's column today:
What is the Club’s position on Ben Griffiths and his on-going concussion issues?
I’m sure all members and supporters would agree that the most important thing is Ben’s health and playing football is very much secondary at the moment. The Club is doing everything we can to work with Ben, and the medical staff, to understand the nature of his concussions. Until such time as we have some clarity around his medical condition we are unable to shed any light on his short-to-mid-term future. Ben is a fine young man and we will continue to give him every support and take an understandably cautious approach.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-05-19/from-the-president-may-19-2017
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We know Francis is an excellent recruiter and think his track record speaks for itself. That's why we are confident that in time we know that the selection of Ben over Nathan will be justifiable.
We will be offering Francis a lucrative extension on his current contract to reflect the confidence we have in his excellent abilities that will continue to find those decent well respected boys the other clubs just aren't looking for and don't want.
:rollin
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Yes Peggy Sue bens health is important as is ours so put us out of our misery and send him on his way to retirement
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How many games have Richmond won since Griff went down?
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He went down in Round 2 -v- Collingwood
So won 3 lost 4
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So we're 1.5 and 0 with Griff? We need him back ASAP
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Meanwhile, Hardwick said the club were still seeking answers on key forward Ben Griffiths' concussion management.
Griffiths is out of football indefinitely after a second concussion this year, an elbow to the head which was only of moderate force.
"We're no closer at this stage so he will still continue to go through that process and we'll support him as best we can," Hardwick said.
Source: West Australian (https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-on-winning-track-hardwick-ng-s-1729172)
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Is this guy playing again this year?
He won't suddenly be over his concussion issue in a few weeks time will he?
Or is it all over for him?
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damo has he ever played? Lets be honest here.
The fact we went into a season with this bloke and soldo as our next talls is a classic example of why dimwit has nfi.
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The fact we went into a season with this bloke and soldo as our next talls is a classic example of why dimwit has nfi.
Can't see how you blame the coach here. This is poor list management 101, and while Dimma would have some input into it, I can't see that he would have the ultimate responsibility.
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Blair Hartley is to blame.....
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Blair Hartley is to blame.....
Enter Buckenara...
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Extraordinary that Hartley, Jackson & Richardson are still employed by our club.
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Extraordinary that Hartley, Jackson & Richardson are still employed by our club.
Agree. Particularly Hartley.
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Extraordinary that Hartley, Jackson & Richardson are still employed by our club.
They have all done a better job than Dimma.
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Back training after a break.....
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Back training after a break.....
:thumbsup great news. Thanks Y&BB.
Any indication of next steps toward playing?
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Back training after a break.....
:thumbsup great news. Thanks Y&BB.
Any indication of next steps toward playing?
From what I heard last night, still a long way off. All up to the experts in the field
Even if was given the ok to resume full training and playing would need a least a month of full training to play VFL
I walked away thinking he won't play again this year. Think they will be very conservative with him as they should
My personal view (opinion) hasn't changed and that is he should give the game away. His long term health is the most important thing
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Extraordinary that Hartley, Jackson & Richardson are still employed by our club.
They have all done a better job than Dimma.
Really?
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No way.
Was at the club yesterday and just passing on what Hardwick told us.
Or would people prefer me not to say anything because I'm happy to oblige?
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Concussion issues could not have come at a worse time.
If he played every game there would be no defending the spud for what he is a spud.
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Concussion issues could not have come at a worse time.
If he played every game there would be no defending the spud for what he is a spud.
as opposed to being a gutless sniping POS
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Put him in a motorbike helmet and throw him out there.
stuff him
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Concussion issues could not have come at a worse time.
If he played every game there would be no defending the spud for what he is a spud.
as opposed to being a gutless sniping POS
Truth hurts i see.
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Griff was injury prone throughout his junior years. It's not his fault we selected him, it is ours. We have a duty of care to retire him regardless of his worth as a player.
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Griff was injury prone throughout his junior years. It's not his fault we selected him, it is ours. We have a duty of care to retire him regardless of his worth as a player.
In hindsight Fyfe could've been a handy pickup. :lol
But let's give our recruiting team a contract extension for participating. :clapping :rollin
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Ben is a good chance of playing this week. If so good luck and i will be watching with interest.
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Ben is a good chance of playing this week. If so good luck and i will be watching with interest.
Player Sponsor dinner on tomorrow night im sure everyone will ask him
So we should get an asnwer :thumbsup
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Has he even done a contact training ?
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Tiger tall nearing return after long concussion layoff
afl.com.au
11 July 2017
RICHMOND tall Ben Griffiths could return to football as soon as this Saturday, with the key forward passing all necessary concussion tests after a two-and-a-half month lay-off.
Griffiths is set to train with the Tigers' VFL team this week with a view to lining up against Werribee on Saturday, pending final fitness tests.
The 25-year-old has been unavailable for selection since round six after suffering his second head knock for the season, prompting a series of scans and tests.
Griffiths has been wearing a helmet since early last season after suffering repeated problems and the Tigers took an extremely cautious approach with his recovery from the latest setback.
"Ben has been training well and we hope to see him play this weekend," football manager Neil Balme said on the club's website.
"He needs to get through this week, but the signs are looking very promising at this stage.
"We have taken a conservative approach with Ben, given his history with concussion, and his welfare has always been paramount.
"The club’s medical staff have done a great job managing him."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-11/tiger-tall-nearing-return-after-long-concussion-layoff
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But it's not an elimination final.
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(http://motorcyclemama.uk/ekmps/shops/mamasan/images/dmd-handmade-old-select-size-xl-59-60cm-2310-p.png)
Don't take any unnecessary risks,big fella.
It's just a game.
Ask Trent #InsaneCorrection
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You know you are a you know what but stuff me sideways I snorted when I saw that post
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Well, let's see what happens
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when are we going to make the distinction between concussion, and lets face it none of us want ben to suffer from this, and his appalling 8 yr record.
What concerns me is we will make a passionate call based on exactly what when we should be making a FOOTY CALL based on what has gone before.
IMO if concussion had not come into it we would all still be discussing weather we should get rid of him and thats because as a player he has been poo.
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when are we going to make the distinction between concussion, and lets face it none of us want ben to suffer from this, and his appalling 8 yr record.
What concerns me is we will make a passionate call based on exactly what when we should be making a FOOTY CALL based on what has gone before.
IMO if concussion had not come into it we would all still be discussing weather we should get rid of him and thats because as a player he has been poo.
With all respect you can't make a call on Benny and concussion without the rest of the pic ture. Cmon.
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when are we going to make the distinction between concussion, and lets face it none of us want ben to suffer from this, and his appalling 8 yr record.
What concerns me is we will make a passionate call based on exactly what when we should be making a FOOTY CALL based on what has gone before.
IMO if concussion had not come into it we would all still be discussing weather we should get rid of him and thats because as a player he has been poo.
Correct.
We need to draft new KP forwards or invest more time in Moore or Chol?
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Neither him nor Hamspud wll retire, even though they both clearly should....Richmond - home of the selfish footballer.....
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Neither him nor Hamspud wll retire, even though they both clearly should....Richmond - home of the selfish footballer.....
Speaking of Hampson, what's happened to Jackstar? I miss his musings.,,,
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when are we going to make the distinction between concussion, and lets face it none of us want ben to suffer from this, and his appalling 8 yr record.
What concerns me is we will make a passionate call based on exactly what when we should be making a FOOTY CALL based on what has gone before.
IMO if concussion had not come into it we would all still be discussing weather we should get rid of him and thats because as a player he has been poo.
With all respect you can't make a call on Benny and concussion without the rest of the pic ture. Cmon.
you miss the point. we have all seen the picture and he has been poo as a footballer and all the concussion talk is doing is muddy the waters.
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Agree Claw, he was pee poor before this happened. Despite what we think of him as a footballer or of him continuing his career, it'll be good for the bloke if he can get up and play this weekend
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Disagree. He was playing decent football before the injury and has been really missed since. It would be a pitty if he couldn't come back and show some of what he is capable of. I'm sure everybody would love to see that.
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He was playing decent football before the injury
No he wasn't.
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He was playing decent football before the injury
No he wasn't.
Not even close...
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The issue is our lack of a key forward and we are relying on a cooked below average player to just make a contest.
For Ben'd health, i hope he is OK!
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Richmond's Ben Griffiths set to return in VFL after concussion scares
Scott Spits
The Age
14 July 2017
Richmond are buoyed by the return of high-flying forward Ben Griffiths who is set to play in the VFL this weekend after some serious concussion fears.
Griffiths has been sidelined since April when he was concussed for a second time this year. He was playing his comeback game in the VFL after copping a heavy knock against Collingwood in an AFL match in March.
The 200cm forward has a history of concussions over multiple seasons and there were fears his career could be prematurely ended by the repetitive head knocks.
Richmond football manager Neil Balme admitted the Tigers were worried about the 25-year-old's future due to his history.
"He had had several before and these were a couple quite close together," Balme said.
"We were really quite worried about it, obviously.
"The one - he copped - he suffered in the VFL game looked relatively innocuous; he didn't get a big whack in the head or he didn't land on his head."
Richmond's VFL team play Werribee in Frankston on Saturday.
"He's been training well the last couple of weeks; he's done all the work he has to do. He's cleared, right now, from a concussion point of view," Balme said.
"We're quite confident he'll be fine. He feels good. He feels very confident. He's really looking forward to it.
"You've got to look after the kid, which we've done. But he's now feeling really really positive, really confident. We're confident that he's certainly in a good place to at least test it all out and see how he goes."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmonds-ben-griffiths-set-to-return-in-vfl-after-concussion-scares-20170713-gxav3v.html
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He fell on his hip against Collingwood
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Neither him nor Hamspud wll retire, even though they both clearly should....Richmond - home of the selfish footballer.....
Yeah. I remember when I was a professional athlete on the cusp of making it but decided to quit coz someone on a fanboy forum claimed it was selfish, so I retired.
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Hamspud & Griffiths "on the cusp of making it"....haha stuff...
You totally missed the point.
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Snip! Leave out the insults, ppl!
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Ben Griffiths concussion Richmond Tigers, AFL concussions, VFL Werribee v Richmond
JON RALPH
Herald Sun
14 July 2017[/i]
RICHMOND says it is confident Ben Griffiths can make a full recovery from repeated concussions after passing him fit to take on Werribee on Saturday.
Tigers football boss Neil Balme said the key position tall would play in the VFL this week after 12 weeks out of the game.
He remains Richmond’s missing link this year, the club keen to play a second key forward despite battling valiantly with only Jack Riewoldt and a fleet of smaller players.
The Tigers will put no pressure on Griffiths after a series of concussions that Riewoldt himself described as “scary” early this year.
He hasn’t played senior football since Round 2, concussed in an incident that saw his shoulder hit the ground and yet Griffiths still suffer concussion.
Balme told the Herald Sun Griffiths had passed a battery of concussion tests and undertaken competitive work at training.
Ben Griffiths in the hands of trainers after being concussed in Round 2.
Balme said the Tigers had fingers crossed about Griffiths’ return to senior football after two concussions this year.
“We expect him to play in the VFL this week. He’s pretty bright and upbeat at the minute, he’s really confident of where he is,’’ he said.
“He has done all the neuro psycho testing stuff and they are pretty confident he is in a good position. He has done all the competitive training and he has run pretty hard and worked pretty hard.
“We probably won’t play him a full game but we are confident he will play.”
If Griffiths suffers another serious concussion this year he would seem long odds to play again in 2017, one of a long list of players battling serious concussion issues.
Even Royce Hart at centre half-forward wouldn’t have helped Richmond in last weekend’s massacre against St Kilda.
But as the Tigers prepare for a potential finals campaign they will need a second tall forward for the bailout kick forward and the more pressurised football September provides.
Todd Elton is also back from a month-long shoulder injury but was only a stop-gap solution during his six AFL games early in the year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/ben-griffiths-returns-to-football-richmond-confident-he-can-overcome-concussions/news-story/2a5c9dad877d20d3fb5d24e3177c02e4
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Forget about concussion. People need to judge him on his footy nothing more nothing less.
In anybodys language his footy has been pee poor. We should not be contemplating playing this bloke again based purely on his performances in games of footy over the 8 yrs we have had him.
And those who think he was going alright this yr if possible he was worse than he has been.
He is a freakin dud or has been and the club and supporters need to wake up to themselves and do something about it it continues to kill us this hanging onto such chronic underperformers.
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Do you think it's permissible to play him based purely on the 3 tall set up?
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He hasn't lived up to the hype through injury or other things yet he is the best back up ruckman we have. He also provides structure as a viable target when we kick down the line. I agree that he hasn't performed but we look a better balanced side when he is in it. A good way to start after a long lay off with 2 goals and no concussion. :clapping :gotigers
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He hasn't lived up to the hype through injury or other things yet he is the best back up ruckman we have. He also provides structure as a viable target when we kick down the line. I agree that he hasn't performed but we look a better balanced side when he is in it. A good way to start after a long lay off with 2 goals and no concussion. :clapping :gotigers
Looked good today and agree we are better when he is playing as he provides structure.
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He hasn't lived up to the hype through injury or other things yet he is the best back up ruckman we have. He also provides structure as a viable target when we kick down the line. I agree that he hasn't performed but we look a better balanced side when he is in it. A good way to start after a long lay off with 2 goals and no concussion. :clapping :gotigers
Looked good today and agree we are better when he is playing as he provides structure.
We all forget pretty quickly, that is all I will say.
He is a hight package and doesn't work anywhere near hard enough. We are on the road to no where if people think we are better with him in the side.
I hope he stays healthy but he is part of the problem.
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He hasn't lived up to the hype through injury or other things yet he is the best back up ruckman we have. He also provides structure as a viable target when we kick down the line. I agree that he hasn't performed but we look a better balanced side when he is in it. A good way to start after a long lay off with 2 goals and no concussion. :clapping :gotigers
Looked good today and agree we are better when he is playing as he provides structure.
We all forget pretty quickly, that is all I will say.
He is a hight package and doesn't work anywhere near hard enough. We are on the road to no where if people think we are better with him in the side.
I hope he stays healthy but he is part of the problem.
We desperately need him in the team as he gives structure. Better player then Elton who provided snippets of this and a player you wanted back in as he provided small amounts of strutted. I agreed with this BTW. We need Griff as he really is the only option we have currently.
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He hasn't lived up to the hype through injury or other things yet he is the best back up ruckman we have. He also provides structure as a viable target when we kick down the line. I agree that he hasn't performed but we look a better balanced side when he is in it. A good way to start after a long lay off with 2 goals and no concussion. :clapping :gotigers
Looked good today and agree we are better when he is playing as he provides structure.
We all forget pretty quickly, that is all I will say.
He is a hight package and doesn't work anywhere near hard enough. We are on the road to no where if people think we are better with him in the side.
I hope he stays healthy but he is part of the problem.
We desperately need him in the team as he gives structure. Better player then Elton who provided snippets of this and a player you wanted back in as he provided small amounts of strutted. I agreed with this BTW. We need Griff as he really is the only option we have currently.
Unfortunately they both are not the answer. Comparing garbage with garage isn't going to make any of them not only AFL standard but make us a better side. Just because they are tall doesn't make us a better side with them in it.
What do you think of Moore as a lead up/roaming tallish forward? What is he like when the hall hits the ground?
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He hasn't lived up to the hype through injury or other things yet he is the best back up ruckman we have. He also provides structure as a viable target when we kick down the line. I agree that he hasn't performed but we look a better balanced side when he is in it. A good way to start after a long lay off with 2 goals and no concussion. :clapping :gotigers
Looked good today and agree we are better when he is playing as he provides structure.
We all forget pretty quickly, that is all I will say.
He is a hight package and doesn't work anywhere near hard enough. We are on the road to no where if people think we are better with him in the side.
I hope he stays healthy but he is part of the problem.
We desperately need him in the team as he gives structure. Better player then Elton who provided snippets of this and a player you wanted back in as he provided small amounts of strutted. I agreed with this BTW. We need Griff as he really is the only option we have currently.
Unfortunately they both are not the answer. Comparing garbage with garage isn't going to make any of them not only AFL standard but make us a better side. Just because they are tall doesn't make us a better side with them in it.
What do you think of Moore as a lead up/roaming tallish forward? What is he like when the hall hits the ground?
He performed well in the tall forward second ruck role today. He can take a grab and is good below his knees. The things he does well is run and jump at the footy. Is he ready? Not sure but for me Griff is a better option well at least for the remainder of the year. Moore next year could impact.
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Would play Moore ahead of Balsa Wood Benny right now....
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Would play Moore ahead of Balsa Wood Benny right now....
Yes me too.
From the little I have seen of Moore he has a pretty big upside. He is althetic, quick, really good hands and seems to know how to get the footy. It's unfortunate that he got injured earlier in the year otherwise I think he would have been given the opportunity to play that second forward role. He is probably still a couple of decent twos games from getting that opportunity now.
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Would play Moore ahead of Balsa Wood Benny right now....
Yes me too.
From the little I have seen of Moore he has a pretty big upside. He is althetic, quick, really good hands and seems to know how to get the footy. It's unfortunate that he got injured earlier in the year otherwise I think he would have been given the opportunity to play that second forward role. He is probably still a couple of decent twos games from getting that opportunity now.
Yep agreed. Exciting prospect and would love him to get some gametime this year.
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“Ben was really good. Got through a half, kicked a couple of goals, and looked really lively, too,” Hardwick said.
“He looked a class above VFL level, which was really important for both Ben, and us, as well . . .
“It’s really exciting that he’ll come back into our mix at some stage.
“He’ll play again this week.
“He’s probably a game or two away (from a senior return), but he’s back playing, which is a real positive for him and us.
“We’re really excited for him.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-07-17/big-bens-timely-return
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Still right on schedue for another big Elimination Final return.... :clapping
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Conca should be due back then too
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Vision of Griff's game:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-07-17/vfl-r13-griffiths-return
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Vision of Griff's game:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-07-17/vfl-r13-griffiths-return
Unlike most here I rate big Ben but on that vision he looks a bit tentative and has a long way to go. Still its good to see him back on the ground , it would be awesome to have another tall forward option as we have really missed that.
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
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Probably delayed....
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
Thanks for the clarification because I didn't see the game I was only going by the vision shown. :thumbsup
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
Thanks for the clarification because I didn't see the game I was only going by the vision shown. :thumbsup
No problems...interesting to note Elton also beat Durdin in some one on ones in the second half. Like most of the team he looked above the level.
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Vision of Griff's game:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-07-17/vfl-r13-griffiths-return
Unlike most here I rate big Ben but on that vision he looks a bit tentative and has a long way to go. Still its good to see him back on the ground , it would be awesome to have another tall forward option as we have really missed that.
he definitely was not tentative, flew for a mark in the first that saw him sail over the pack & just fail to haul it in
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
He mustn't be to highly rated if he is still playing twos after being drafted 13 years ago??
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
He mustn't be to highly rated if he is still playing twos after being drafted 13 years ago??
2014 draft, obviously a typo
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
He mustn't be to highly rated if he is still playing twos after being drafted 13 years ago??
2014 draft, obviously a typo
Thanks for clearing that up. ;)
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
He mustn't be to highly rated if he is still playing twos after being drafted 13 years ago??
2014 draft, obviously a typo
Thanks for clearing that up. ;)
Yes an error :wallywink
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
He mustn't be to highly rated if he is still playing twos after being drafted 13 years ago??
2014 draft, obviously a typo
Thanks for clearing that up. ;)
Yes an error :wallywink
I hope for the both of us you could see I was only kidding?
I would say lighten up but going off your match report and comments from both games everyone's a winner at Tigerland this week.
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
He mustn't be to highly rated if he is still playing twos after being drafted 13 years ago??
2014 draft, obviously a typo
Thanks for clearing that up. ;)
Yes an error :wallywink
I hope for the both of us you could see I was only kidding?
I would say lighten up but going off your match report and comments from both games everyone's a winner at Tigerland this week.
Yes - I was calling myself :wallywink and we did win both games so we are winners at Tigerland this week. Seriously our VFL team looked fantastic much better ten the AFL side that's for sure.
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Is that Tyler Durdin's brother?
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The opponent looked half his size.
I'm surprised he didn't no get concussion when all his teammates were congratulating him.
His opponent was highly rated Sam Durdin 198cm 95kg pick 16 2004 draft. Also played minutes on Hanson and towelled them both up.
He mustn't be to highly rated if he is still playing twos after being drafted 13 years ago??
2014 draft, obviously a typo
Thanks for clearing that up. ;)
Yes an error :wallywink
I hope for the both of us you could see I was only kidding?
I would say lighten up but going off your match report and comments from both games everyone's a winner at Tigerland this week.
Yes - I was calling myself :wallywink and we did win both games so we are winners at Tigerland this week. Seriously our VFL team looked fantastic much better ten the AFL side that's for sure.
Yep, we have some decent kids coming through. I cannot wait for the day these kids remove the Griggs and Houli's of this world. We will be a better club for it and hopefully won't be stuck in that middling group of AFL clubs.
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I cannot wait for the day these kids remove the Griggs and Houli's of this world.
Yes I also cannot wait for the day Halfstep gets the arse....
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I cannot wait for the day these kids remove the Griggs and Houli's of this world.
Yes I also cannot wait for the day Halfstep gets the arse....
It's the only way this club can actually move forward IMO.
I think most of us know how this season will end and it's nothing new.
8 years is surely long enough.
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It's time for a new messiah
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It's time for a new messiah
Is that because Dimma is a naughty boy?
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I cannot wait for the day these kids remove the Griggs and Houli's of this world.
Yes I also cannot wait for the day Halfstep gets the arse....
It's the only way this club can actually move forward IMO.
I think most of us know how this season will end and it's nothing new.
8 years is surely long enough.
But it's more important that we are a stable club!
Can't be seen as sacking coaches willy-nilly just because they lose a few games can we?
After all the bombers kept Sheeds for 27years so we can't expect to be so short sighted and just give our coach the arse after a measly eight years in the job!
Let's be realistic fellas!
The most important thing is STABILITY!
As long as the boys are having fun and are trying their best. :rollin
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I cannot wait for the day these kids remove the Griggs and Houli's of this world.
Yes I also cannot wait for the day Halfstep gets the arse....
You do understand that play finals and he doesn't get the flick
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I cannot wait for the day these kids remove the Griggs and Houli's of this world.
Yes I also cannot wait for the day Halfstep gets the arse....
You do understand that play finals and he doesn't get the flick
Of course, but lose a final and he won't coach beyond next year IMO.
Losing finals is something Benny and sue won't be able to ignore if it happens for a 4th time, though they have shown to pretty clueless so he may get another 4 years
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I cannot wait for the day these kids remove the Griggs and Houli's of this world.
Yes I also cannot wait for the day Halfstep gets the arse....
You do understand that play finals and he doesn't get the flick
So he doesn't even need to win a final now? Was that part of his cunning plan - sign the extension then play so badly last year that people will forget about the winning finals expectation that he had going into '15 &' 16 and just making finals will seem like an amazing achievement again this year, like it was in '13 & '14? A halfstep back to the future! Genius! :clapping
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He isn't a patch on Buckley, he can lead a team from 4th to 15th over 6 years and get a contract extension
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Yes but we do have Buckley's chance with him in charge.....
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Balme said concussion-prone forward Ben Griffiths was progressing well. Griffiths has suffered numerous concessions over the past four years, the last coming in 2017 round two against Collingwood at the MCG.
That came in April with Griffiths then returning to football, in the VFL, in July.
Source: The Age website (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/daniel-rioli-likely-to-miss-round-one-of-richmond-tigers-2018-afl-season-20171207-h00rp6.html)
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Great to catch up with the great man @bgriffo24
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