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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 26, 2009, 07:11:41 PM
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welcome Dave :thumbsup
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Welcome aboard to young Astbury would of preferred him at a later pick though
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Described as a utility who can play forward and back and showed some glimpses by Leon Harris on SEN.
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welcome aboard, fills a muc needed list need, looks to have a cool head and solid footskills
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taken to early for mine
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taken to early for mine
Yep seems like a speculative pick for mine as player we probably wanted was taken.
Nevertheless good luck to the kid.
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David Astbury
D.O.B: 26-Feb-1991
Club: North Ballarat Rebels
State: VIC
Height: 193cm
Weight: 79kg
Position: Defender
Lead up forward or defender with a great set of hands. Good pace and endurance for his size with sounds skills by both hand and foot. Vic Country U18 representative in 2009. From Tatyoon FC.
Video: http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=115427 (http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=115427)
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taken to early for mine
Yep seems like a speculative pick for mine as player we probably wanted was taken.
Nevertheless good luck to the kid.
Matt Burgan had him going between 30 and 50 so 35 is probably about right. He is as tall as Nick/Jack Reiwoldt already and his bio says "great set of hands. Good pace and endurance for his size with sounds skills by both hand and foot.". What more do you want or expect from a #35 draft pick? Skills, pace, endurance, height - all things we have bemoaned on here as being light on in our forward line. Structure and options hey.
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taken to early for mine
Yep seems like a speculative pick for mine as player we probably wanted was taken.
Nevertheless good luck to the kid.
Matt Burgan had him going between 30 and 50 so 35 is probably about right. He is as tall as Nick/Jack Reiwoldt already and his bio says "great set of hands. Good pace and endurance for his size with sounds skills by both hand and foot.". What more do you want or expect from a #35 draft pick? Skills, pace, endurance, height - all things we have bemoaned on here as being light on in our forward line. Structure and options hey.
Good call smokey
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2009 National Draft - David Astbury
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals/0/richmond_docs/david%20astbury%20web.jpg)
David Astbury highlights: http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/226074
DOB: 26/02/91
Height: 194.5cm
Weight: 81.4kg
Club: North Ballarat Rebels, TAC Cup
What the recruiters say:
David originates from his family’s farm near Tatyoon in Victorias’ Ararat district. In 2007 and 2008 he was a boarder at Caulfield Grammar in Melbourne and in 2009 moved back to Ballarat to concentrate on his football with the Rebels where he carried the honour of co-captain.
David has been a member of the North Ballarat rebels U18 team for the past 2 seasons, playing 4 games in 2008 and 10 games in 2009. This year David played as his teams’ versatile “swingman”, playing in attack to provide a strong marking option as well as in defence to take the oppositions best forward. David was at his best up forward in round 5 against the Western Jets where he tallied 18 possessions, 12 marks and 3 goals from centre half forward. He was regularly thrown back and forward during the same game where he was needed to provide a strong presence for his team in a key position.
A member of the Vic Country side in the NAB U18 National Championships, David was again used in a mix of forward and defending roles where he averaged 14 possessions and 4 marks per game.
David is a very long and cool kick of the football and makes good decisions in the heat of battle. He has high kick efficiency and also an excellent long kick ratio to break lines and zones. He has very clean hands in the air and at ground level, highlighting his ability to be an option in defence or attack.
The club will be looking to further develop David in the key positions with a continued focus on his aerial ability and long kicking game.
David Astbury in his own words:
What type of player are you?
An athletic and mobile tall who can play at either end of the ground. Predominantly a leading half-forward.
Which AFL player do you feel you resemble, and why?
Nick Riewoldt because he's a hard-working half-forward who plays high up the ground similar to me when I play that position.
What are your strengths as a footballer?
Athleticism, versatility, endurance and agility for a tall.
What parts of your game would you like to improve?
Strength and power off the mark (speed) and consistency.
Which AFL team do you support and how did you come to barrack for them?
Melbourne Demons. My father has supported them for his entire life and encouraged me to follow them too.
Who has been the biggest influence on your career so far, and why?
Jack Ziebell because he gave me an understanding of what is required at a more elite junior level and we trained together with great professionalism.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2010/2009NationalDraft/DavidAstbury/tabid/15507/Default.aspx
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i wouldn't say astbury is a speculative pick.
certainly wasn't a smokie. quite well known prior to the draft and talked about.
very mobile kpp who continually leads up the field with a good and long pick. looks to have the frame to fill out as well.
i like it.
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David Astbury - Centre Half Forward
:)
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I'm impressed with the potential of Astbury. At the very least he adds competition for KP places and depth to the forwardline.
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Yep well another one I am happy with, loved that mark he took running back with the flight of the ball and he never took his eyes off the ball. Great kicking action as well, very good overhead and takes a great contseted mark.
Welcome Davo.. :thumbsup
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Ranked in the top 10 for kicking efficiency at the camp, 70%, so thats 2 players we picked up in the top 10 that are the best to come out of the draft camp at kicking.... :clapping
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From: New challenge for Rebels' trio
By David Brehaut
Ballarat Courier
27 Nov, 2009
Astbury from Tatyoon near Ararat was picked with selection number 35.
Rebels regional manager Phil Partington attended the draft in Melbourne and spoke to Richmond ... officials immediately after selections were completed.
"They're rapt," he said.
"Richmond was very keen on David Astbury. They thought he might have gone earlier.
[Astbury] followed the draft at home ... with father Craig, mother Kate, and sisters Claire, 20, and Zoe 13.
Astbury said he was overwhelmed.
"I was in the kitchen when my name came up.
"I left the room in an ad break and it came back quicker than I thought."
His mother broke the news.
Astbury said Richmond had telephoned him yesterday to inform him of its intention to draft him.
Astbury said getting the call was exciting, but he did not expect to be picked so early.
He said it was taking a while to sink in.
http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/new-challenge-for-rebels-trio/1689566.aspx?storypage=0
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I reckon he was a good selection just taken higher than what I would of hoped. Needs to put on some weight but should be ok down the track.
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He needs a few feeds but give him a chance he is still a young fella growing into his skin. :thumbsup
Think I was about 70kg round his age, joined the navy hit the weights and blossomed into 90kg of beautiful manswan :lol :gobdrop
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Think I was about 70kg round his age, joined the navy hit the weights and blossomed into 90kg of beautiful manswan :lol
Hmmm. Disturbing.
(http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15884/15884-h/images/062-1.png)
;D
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where do you guys find this poo ;D
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"Richmond was very keen on David Astbury. They thought he might have gone earlier.
Astbury said getting the call was exciting, but he did not expect to be picked so early.
:help ;D ;)
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I reckon he was a good selection just taken higher than what I would of hoped. Needs to put on some weight but should be ok down the track.
that's fair enough. i read on the chat from the recruitment officer today that we had mail that NM were keen on him with their 3rd round pick which is 37, 2 picks after ours. hence we had to swoop.
regardless i believe we're very high on astbury.
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Cannot be any worse than Mr Hughes or Mr Schultz 8)
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From today's Herald-Sun and Age.....
Astbury is a 195cm forward who had a dominant year with the North Ballarat Rebels in the TAC Cup.
He joked he was no quick replacement for Matthew Richardson."I am not sure if I can fill the shoes you are talking about just yet but give me time, I will see what I can do," he said.
"I got called out a little earlier than I expected so I was ecstatic.
"Richmond came to Ballarat before the draft camp and we had lunch and they asked me a few questions and then they went away and I hadn't heard a lot. Then on draft day they called to say that I was in their plans."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-continue-high-player-turnover-with-rookie-picks/story-e6frf9jf-1225805144643
David Astbury is a key-position player who hopes to make his name at Richmond as a lead-up half-forward.
There is a big vacancy for that sort of role at Richmond, following the retirement of club legend Matthew Richardson.
"I'm not sure I can fill the shoes you're talking about just yet - but give some time and I will see what I can do," he said with a grin.
Astbury said it was comforting that he was among so many first-year players at the Tigers.
Ben Griffiths, Troy Taylor, Jerome Webberley and Ben Nason were also recruited through Thursday's draft.
"Once you come through the doors, I guess you're all on the same level," Astbury said.
"To have other (newcomers), I reckon it's going to be terrific, we can all work together.
"It's an exciting time for the football club and hopefully in a few years, once the new facility is up and stuff like that, we can really surge.
"I just want to be a part of that."
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/tigers-put-the-work-into-recruiting-dea-20091129-jyps.html
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Astbury heads to Tigerland after National draft selection
Jessie Antonio
01 Dec, 2009
Tatyoon Football Club export David Astbury will be settling in at Tigerland this week after being selected by Richmond in the AFL's national draft.
The Astbury family has been caught up in a whirlwind of excitement since David's name was called at pick number 35 last Thursday evening.
The 18 year old said he watched the live coverage of the draft from his parent's loungeroom.
''We watched it on TV as a family,'' he said.
''It was pretty low key, but it got a bit ecstatic around the house when my name came up. It was an emotional moment.''
Astbury's father Craig said he was extremely proud of his son's achievements.
''It's been a bit tense over the past few weeks so it's just fantastic. We're over the moon for him,'' he said.
Astbury grew up on the family property at Tatyoon before moving to Caulfield to complete his final years of schooling.
After an impressive season for the North Ballarat Rebels and stellar performances in the 2009 NAB under 18 National Championship, few were surprised when AFL clubs began showing a keen interest in the tall teenager.
His versatility is a sought after trait in young recruits and allows Astbury to be used in a mix of forward and defending roles.
His kicking efficiency was also put in the spotlight after he ranked among the top 10 players in the kicking test at AFL draft camp.
While the camp gave Astbury the opportunity to prove himself, an injury sustained during testing left him disappointed.
''I got injured at the camp so I couldn't complete some of the testing,'' he said.
''I'm really fortunate that it didn't end up hindering my chances of being drafted.''
Richmond expressed a keen interest in Astbury during the lead up to last week's draft, however the modest youngster said he was shocked to be selected so early.
''I thought I was in with a chance, but I honestly didn't expect to get picked up in the top 40. It was really exciting.''
Richmond Head of Development, Tim Livingstone, met with the Astbury family last Friday to discuss the details of Astbury's relocation to Punt Rd.
Mr Livingstone said things moved quickly once a player was drafted.
''It's a massive move for a kid. Becoming a professional athlete is quite an adjustment,'' he said.
Astbury moved to Melbourne on Sunday and commenced training with the Richmond side yesterday.
Mr Livingstone said he would be eased into his new routine.
''We visit players at their homes so we can get a feel for their environment and see what their family life is like. It makes it easier for us to organise their living arrangements.'' he said.
''David will be hosted by a player for a week or two and then he will either move in with a host family or a player depending on the situation.''
Astbury said he could hardly wait to join the Tigers.
''I'm really looking forward to being part of an elite team environment and earning the respect of the people at the club.''
The Richmond playing group was quick to extend a warm welcome to Astbury, with high profile players including Ben Cousins, Trent Cotchin and Richard Tambling sending him congratulatory text messages last week.
''It really makes you feel part of it,'' Astbury said.
While he will now be living his AFL dream at Richmond, Astbury said he will always be grateful for the support of Tatyoon locals.
''I want to say thanks to everyone who has followed my football since I left Tatyoon,'' he said.
''I really appreciate the support from the community and the mentors that I have in this area.''
Two of Astbury's Ballarat Rebels' teammates were also picked up in the national draft.
Matt Dea will join Astbury at Richmond after being selected at pick number 44, while Josh Cowan was snapped up by Geelong with selection 56.
http://www.araratadvertiser.com.au/news/local/news/general/astbury-heads-to-tigerland-after-national-draft-selection/1692411.aspx?storypage=0
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Astbury is a 195cm forward who had a dominant year with the North Ballarat Rebels in the TAC Cup.
David Astbury is a key-position player who hopes to make his name at Richmond as a lead-up half-forward.
Interesting to see which position Astbury eventaully ends up mainly playing. I guess it depends on where we play Postie. If Postie ends up playing more as a forward then Astbury would be more useful down in defence especially if he's a good kick. You would think if all goes to plan Griffiths and Jack will be the mainstays talls up forward leaving one tall spot left where we could play one of Postie, Astbury or Vickery.
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http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/11/david-astbury-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html
David Astbury
Age: 18
Statistic averages in the 2009 TAC Cup for North Ballarat:
M 10
Last 6/09/2009
Gls 9
Bhd 10
HS 3
HSDate 3/05/2009
HSVenue Buninyong Recreation Reserve
HSOpp Western Jets
B 1
NB 1
GlsAv 1
KE 51
KIE 38
HE 25
HIE 5
HR 21
Mks 49
Tks 22
FF 7
FA 7
HO 7
CM 12
UCM 48
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=David%20Astbury&action=PSTATS&pID=188650932&client=0-3020-27610-0-8058800
Position: Key position forward or back
David Astbury is an agile tall who can kick goals and is a very good over-head mark. He has a good lead and will normally end up with the ball in his hands when the ball travels in the air to his area. Astbury sees himself as more of a leading half-forward in the Riewoldt mould than as a defender.
One weakness David Astbury has shown is that he doesn't wait for the right option and often resorts to just bombing it long to a contest which doesn't suit most modern game plans. He makes up for that though because of his above average pace, endurance and agility for his size of 193cm. At 79kg he is too light, as most of the tall draftees are.
David Astbury does have very strong hands; often out-marking opponents due to the cleanness of his hands. He also has a excellent read of the flight of the ball and often marks when the ball is coming over his shoulder comfortably. David Astbury is a good pack mark and seems to just float in to the flight of the ball at just the right moment with crisp hands.
David Astbury can also swing forward and kicks goals due to his marking ability. He possesses a simple kicking action which is pretty accurate. Unlike some of the other defenders he actually chases and tackles which is a real asset in a big man. His disposal by hand is adequate and he can kick on both sides of his body.
Astbury did the 3km time trial in 10.57 mins at NAB AFL Draft Camp, which for a player of his size is quite good. He also obtained a top ten ranking in the kicking test at Draft Camp with 70% efficiency. He doesn't have the best statistics though from when he was playing, but he does seem to have plenty of potential. I would expect him to go second or third round in the AFL draft, it's very hard to pick where the key positions are going to be taken in 2009.
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i would like to have Jayden Post and David Astbury develop into Centre Half Forwards.
i don't think having ...
F: Nahas/Gilligan/Nason/Taylor Griffiths Vickery/Gourdis/Simmonds
HF: Riewoldt Astbury/Post Morton/Cotchin/Deledio/Tambling/Martin
as our "6" Forwards 2010 - 2025 rotating those positions will not hurt!
i think we should draft an actual key defender who can play CHB!
:)
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I also think a 195cm-196cm key defender should be targetted. Whether its now or next year, we need a bigger sized key defender.
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When I hear Astbury, I for some reason think of this guy...
(http://unclee.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/rick-astley.jpg)
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I also think a 195cm-196cm key defender should be targetted. Whether its now or next year, we need a bigger sized key defender.
hopefully we're looking at kyle hartigan for the psd or rookie draft. he fits the bill.
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What postion do expect Astbury to play this season?
Coburg CHF ?
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What postion do expect Astbury to play this season?
Coburg CHF ?
from the club...
"David was at his best up forward in round 5 against the Western Jets where he tallied 18 possessions, 12 marks and 3 goals from centre half forward. He was regularly thrown back and forward during the same game where he was needed to provide a strong presence for his team in a key position.
A member of the Vic Country side in the NAB U18 National Championships, David was again used in a mix of forward and defending roles where he averaged 14 possessions and 4 marks per game.
David is a very long and cool kick of the football and makes good decisions in the heat of battle. He has high kick efficiency and also an excellent long kick ratio to break lines and zones. He has very clean hands in the air and at ground level, highlighting his ability to be an option in defence or attack.
The club will be looking to further develop David in the key positions with a continued focus on his aerial ability and long kicking game."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/david%20astbury/tabid/15507/default.aspx
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in his own words...
"David Astbury is an agile tall who can kick goals and is a very good over-head mark. He has a good lead and will normally end up with the ball in his hands when the ball travels in the air to his area. Astbury sees himself as more of a leading half-forward in the Riewoldt mould than as a defender."
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/11/david-astbury-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html
:cheers
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i agree with young david himself. CHF would be great
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Astbury didn't dominate by no means but both in the intra-club and last night he's shown some promising signs for the future as a KPP. A bonus that he has good footskills for a tall and seems to have a natural feel for the game. If he can turn snippets into 4 quarter efforts then at pick 35 he'll end up a steal.
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yep
and i think farmer will be a good get also
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yep
and i think farmer will be a good get also
Agree showed some good signs last night
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I liked the way Astbury went about it last night, offered a contest when ever he could and had some nice skills. Long way to go but at least he has size and the basic core of footballer!
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Our recruits all showed something last night. Maybe our recruiting is finally on track.
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The only way Astbury will learn is if he gets game time week in week out. Had some nice touches and that goal in the first quarter was classy.
Farmer too was okay. We need to persevere with these kids.
Astbury's disposal looked okay also. Something that senior footy will enhance over the season also. Need to get Griffiths into the senior side ASAP as the kids of the ilk of Taylor Griffiths Astbury are the future. Polak lamentably can't cut it. Fantastic and a great achievement he is where he is but we can't play him now for the sake of being humane and sympathetic. Time to be ruthless.
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Big fan of Astbury and thought he was a shining light last night. Seems to have a great feel for the game with lovely disposal. :thumbsup Needs to be placed in the forwardline as a 3rd/4th tall. I agree with people judgment on Polak - looks out of place.
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Astbury >> Polak
Gourdis looks like a goer as well.
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Astbury will be a good player, exactly what we need
In fact our best players last night were our latest recruits.
Its the older ones who make me sick with their rubbish. Newman/Sugar leading by example again
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Our recruits all showed something last night. Maybe our recruiting is finally on track.
i agree Ramps! Hardwick said before the match "to show our supporters what are new players have to offer!"
i think he could feel a smashing!
Wayne Campbell was coach on Saturday Night wasn't he?
Hardwick was at the back writting down notes.
:)
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Our recruits all showed something last night. Maybe our recruiting is finally on track.
i agree Ramps! Hardwick said before the match "to show our supporters what are new players have to offer!"
i think he could feel a smashing!
Wayne Campbell was coach on Saturday Night wasn't he?
Hardwick was at the back writting down notes.
:)
If at the end of this year we can say we found Astbury, Griffiths and Martin irrespective of where we finish it will have been a success. If any of the rest like Dae, Webberley, Nason et al come through, then it would be an enormous bonus and if we finish bottom so be it, we end up with another early pick and with some good trading we could get in new young blood. Anyway, we got flogged but the newbies all showed they could play a bit. Gourdis as well was a surprise, If he can come on as well then yep we should be pretty happy.
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Our recruits all showed something last night. Maybe our recruiting is finally on track.
i agree Ramps! Hardwick said before the match "to show our supporters what are new players have to offer!"
i think he could feel a smashing!
Wayne Campbell was coach on Saturday Night wasn't he?
Hardwick was at the back writting down notes.
:)
If at the end of this year we can say we found Astbury, Griffiths and Martin irrespective of where we finish it will have been a success. If any of the rest like Dae, Webberley, Nason et al come through, then it would be an enormous bonus and if we finish bottom so be it, we end up with another early pick and with some good trading we could get in new young blood. Anyway, we got flogged but the newbies all showed they could play a bit. Gourdis as well was a surprise, If he can come on as well then yep we should be pretty happy.
here here after all for where we are at as a club this is what its about,
what i hope for now is the club can actually make a decision on some of these kids not in 5 or 6 yrs but 2 or 3. we have to stop the list clogging.
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Going to be a very good player for us.
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Our recruits all showed something last night. Maybe our recruiting is finally on track.
I also think that we may also have a better player development team in place.
The Wallace 'avoid speaking with the youngsters' style of player development didn't seem to work.
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Has injury problem with his heel, will have cortezone injections next week, could be serious problem.
They were know until heel is injected and allowed to settle down
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You also said McGuane was unlikely to be fit for Round 1 and he played against Geelong, solidly beat Ottens too
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Has injury problem with his heel, will have cortezone injections next week, could be serious problem.
They were know until heel is injected and allowed to settle down
Bugger if true :(
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griffiths adtbury and riewoldt will make for good size and structure but patience is key. add taylor roberts and morton and in time the forward half if they all make it will look okay.my real concern is we have to few eggs in to few baskets.
it will only take one or two failures for us to be in trouble if we arent already.
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You also said McGuane was unlikely to be fit for Round 1 and he played against Geelong, solidly beat Ottens too
Only tell you what I was told.
Yesterday was only a practise match and Ottens hasnt had preseason either due to the boating accident
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Has injury problem with his heel, will have cortezone injections next week, could be serious problem.
They were know until heel is injected and allowed to settle down
Bugger if true :(
Very true.
It was his birthday last friday and he went to a Spanish restuarant in Fitzroy.
He basically had trouble walking in,
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It's not due to saving his sister from that falling tree, is it?
Also, jacko, are you hutchy? You seem to know a bit too much about our players' personal lives. ;)
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It's not due to saving his sister from that falling tree, is it?
Also, jacko, are you hutchy? You seem to know a bit too much about our players' personal lives. ;)
Not Hutchy,although I am sick to death of hiding in rubbish bins and wear dark glasses, LOL
Injury happened when his heel and leg went in different directions.
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give him as much time as he needs, good thing is he can hit the weights hard while the heel settles down
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bad if he has a injury.
i was hoping he would be in the forward line for round 1
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It's not due to saving his sister from that falling tree, is it?
Also, jacko, are you hutchy? You seem to know a bit too much about our players' personal lives. ;)
Well if he is he knows jackstarshit because he said McGuane wouldn't play and then he said he was underdone, well he played and he played very well so........
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Has injury problem with his heel, will have cortezone injections next week, could be serious problem.
They were know until heel is injected and allowed to settle down
Sounds like bone spurs! Very nasty, i had them and needed cortisone injections! Hurts like hell!
They can also get specially moulded heel supports and use anti inflamitaries! They are genarally caused by repetitive impact on hard surfaces or ligament tears and the bone grows from where the ligament tears from the heel!
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It's not due to saving his sister from that falling tree, is it?
Also, jacko, are you hutchy? You seem to know a bit too much about our players' personal lives. ;)
Well if he is he knows jackstarpoo because he said McGuane wouldn't play and then he said he was underdone, well he played and he played very well so........
All I said about Mcgaune was this, he spent a week in hospital after a knee in he groin.
Was behind in his preparation and had missed a bit of valuable training.
he did play on Brad ottens who has had basciallly NO pre season after a boating accident at Xmas time.
he wil play round 1 although might be a bit under done.
Source= Luke himself
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It's not due to saving his sister from that falling tree, is it?
Also, jacko, are you hutchy? You seem to know a bit too much about our players' personal lives. ;)
Well if he is he knows jackstarpoo because he said McGuane wouldn't play and then he said he was underdone, well he played and he played very well so........
All I said about Mcgaune was this, he spent a week in hospital after a knee in he groin.
Was behind in his preparation and had missed a bit of valuable training.
he did play on Brad ottens who has had basciallly NO pre season after a boating accident at Xmas time.
he wil play round 1 although might be a bit under done.
Source= Luke himself
So Ottens was underdone but Luke wasn't , even though this was his first hit out???? No thats not all you said about McGuane, you said he wouldn't play.. :thumbsup, remember.
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It's not due to saving his sister from that falling tree, is it?
Also, jacko, are you hutchy? You seem to know a bit too much about our players' personal lives. ;)
Well if he is he knows jackstarpoo because he said McGuane wouldn't play and then he said he was underdone, well he played and he played very well so........
All I said about Mcgaune was this, he spent a week in hospital after a knee in he groin.
Was behind in his preparation and had missed a bit of valuable training.
he did play on Brad ottens who has had basciallly NO pre season after a boating accident at Xmas time.
he wil play round 1 although might be a bit under done.
Source= Luke himself
So Ottens was underdone but Luke wasn't , even though this was his first hit out???? No thats not all you said about McGuane, you said he wouldn't play.. :thumbsup, remember.
Look.
He actually said he wouldnt play.
Believe what you want, he thought he at least needed an extra week of training.
Things change dont they.
Might also say we have a had a recent history of playing guys who have been injured or recovering from injury way too soon.
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It's not due to saving his sister from that falling tree, is it?
Also, jacko, are you hutchy? You seem to know a bit too much about our players' personal lives. ;)
Well if he is he knows jackstarpoo because he said McGuane wouldn't play and then he said he was underdone, well he played and he played very well so........
All I said about Mcgaune was this, he spent a week in hospital after a knee in he groin.
Was behind in his preparation and had missed a bit of valuable training.
he did play on Brad ottens who has had basciallly NO pre season after a boating accident at Xmas time.
he wil play round 1 although might be a bit under done.
Source= Luke himself
So Ottens was underdone but Luke wasn't , even though this was his first hit out???? No thats not all you said about McGuane, you said he wouldn't play.. :thumbsup, remember.
Look goose.
He actually said he wouldnt play.
Believe what you want, he thought he at least needed an extra week of training.
Things change dont they.
Might also say we have a had a recent history of playing guys who have been injured or recovering from injury way too soon.
Don't call me a goose you.... well I am not allowed to retaliate or I will be banned apparently.
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All I said about Mcgaune was this, he spent a week in hospital after a knee in he groin.
Was behind in his preparation and had missed a bit of valuable training.
he did play on Brad ottens who has had basciallly NO pre season after a boating accident at Xmas time.
he wil play round 1 although might be a bit under done.
Source= Luke himself
Luke should be careful who he talks to :whistle :whistle
Luke's a great bloke but I don't think when he told you that he thought you'd post it all over the WWW.... ;) ;)
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would think in general discussion with a group of people aint no big deal.
Especially when people who work in hospitals etc etc know who comes and goes as well.
All common knowledge.
Its like the little "'allercation between the Calder Cannons and the Tiges a few week ago.
There is a reason players were up at 4.30 in the morning, LOL :shh
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My sources tell me Astbury is fine and will play this week vs scumwood...
Also, worst case scenario (at this stage) for Foley is he will miss the first 6-8 weeks of the season propper...
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My sources tell me Astbury is fine and will play this week vs scumwood...
lol not doubting you Goo but for better or worse there's some bullcrap that flies around these forums.
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My sources tell me Astbury is fine and will play this week vs scumwood...
lol not doubting you Goo but for better or worse there's some bullcrap that flies around these forums.
Most of it comes from jackstar
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My sources tell me Astbury is fine and will play this week vs scumwood...
lol not doubting you Goo but for better or worse there's some bullcrap that flies around these forums.
Most of it comes from jackstar
Well, he had injection yesterday, wait and see
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Sorry for telling you Bozos the truth.
I will give David a clip of the ear for telling fibs, ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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My sources tell me Astbury is fine and will play this week vs scumwood...
lol not doubting you Goo but for better or worse there's some bullcrap that flies around these forums.
Most of it comes from jackstar
Well, he had injection yesterday, wait and see
An injection?
I find that extremely hard to believe that a developing KKP is given a jab to get up for a NAB Challenge game in his first season..
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No Astbury v Collingwood.
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My sources tell me Astbury is fine and will play this week vs scumwood...
Also, worst case scenario (at this stage) for Foley is he will miss the first 6-8 weeks of the season propper...
No Astbury this week.
As I told you , he has an injury .
Had cortezone injection this week, he wont play until the injury settles down, time frame , they dont know
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My sources tell me Astbury is fine and will play this week vs scumwood...
lol not doubting you Goo but for better or worse there's some bullcrap that flies around these forums.
Most of it comes from jackstar
Well, he had injection yesterday, wait and see
An injection?
I find that extremely hard to believe that a developing KKP is given a jab to get up for a NAB Challenge game in his first season..
they all have jabs, Astbury has had a cortezone to try and get him through his injury, if it doesnt clear up, its long term you will find
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Well done Jack. I had a feeling that you were more on the pulse with this one with the details you provided earlier. :thumbsup
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Be dissapointed if it is long term...
Injury aside your thoughts on David Astbury, Jack?
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Be dissapointed if it is long term...
Injury aside your thoughts on David Astbury, Jack?
Football wise= Real good.
Outside Football, really good kid.
he is living with his mentor, Graham Burgin.
This kid will make it, has his head "' screwed on "' unlike some
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In other news, Ben Nason is probably lining up against Collingwood on Friday. ;)
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In other news, Ben Nason is probably lining up against Collingwood on Friday. ;)
I have a question .
Why post about Ben Nason in the David Astbury thread??? ::)
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Danog please keep your source a secret and be discreet with your info. :thumbsup
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@Jack. We were talking about injuries. I thought it would be a nice change of pace to talk about one of our players coming back earlier than expected.
@al. What?
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Not picked to play this weekend either
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Not picked to play this weekend either
Is there any further news on how serious it is?
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Not picked to play this weekend either
Is there any further news on how serious it is?
Dont know, was only told about the injection to try and stablise the injury
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Not picked to play this weekend either
Is there any further news on how serious it is?
Dont know, was only told about the injection to try and stablise the injury
Eliminating heel pain with an injection plays a significant role in reducing the changes in a patient's gait.
http://www.coachr.org/heelpain.htm
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Not picked to play this weekend either
Is there any further news on how serious it is?
Dont know, was only told about the injection to try and stablise the injury
Eliminating heel pain with an injection plays a significant role in reducing the changes in a patient's gait.
http://www.coachr.org/heelpain.htm
He said the injury happened in Tassie, basically his leg went one way and his heel and foot twisted the other
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He said the injury happened in Tassie, basically his leg went one way and his heel and foot twisted the other
Ouch! :-\
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that would seem to indicate an ankle/Achilles problem you'd think.
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He said the injury happened in Tassie, basically his leg went one way and his heel and foot twisted the other
I've had that happen on the way home from the pub on a Friday night. :whistle
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Astbury makes his mark
richmondfc.com.au
By Murray Belkin
Mon 19 April, 2010
RICHMOND'S David Astbury could not have dreamed of a better AFL debut, kicking two goals in the first quarter of Sunday's match with Melbourne at the MCG.
One of them will be forever entrenched in his memory. Astbury was at the foot of a pack, and after somehow managing to find the ball in his hands, the youngster dribbled it through with the outside of his boot to the delight of the Tiger faithful.
But the youngster didn’t take all the credit for it.
“I think it was just though the hard work from the other boys and I was just lucky to be on the end of it,” the level-headed Tiger said after the game.
Astbury finished with three goals in an impressive debut, and while he only had seven possessions, he was pleased with his performance while being relieved to get game number one out of the way.
“It was obviously a little bit of disappointment with the result, but it was good to get the first one on the board and get a couple of kicks as well,” he said.
Taken at pick 35 in the 2009 NAB AFL Draft from the North Ballarat Rebels, Astbury showed glimpses that the Tigers' search for a key position forward to partner Jack Riewoldt may be over.
“I’ve got plenty of development in my body, but hopefully I’ll get a few more games under my belt," he said.
The 19-year-old was one of three Tiger players to make their debut in the yellow and black on Sunday, and Astbury was adamant this year was not all doom and gloom for Tiger supporters.
“We have got six or seven blokes that have played less than five games of footy for the club that were in today’s team,” he said.
“I suppose we can take plenty out of games like this, and moving forward I think we will be competitive. We’re not too far away."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/92615/default.aspx
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I'd love to think that Astbury will become one of our key position players in the future. Obviously is a better set shot than Jack already. Throw Griffiths into the mix and we may have an embarrassment of riches in the forwardline in a few year (dare to dream.... :pray)
Stripes
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I'd like to see him take a couple of strong grabs and bang through some 40-50 metre set shot goals in the next few weeks.
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I'd like to see him take a couple of strong grabs and bang through some 40-50 metre set shot goals in the next few weeks.
I think we need to start setting our expectations higher on our kids.
If he doesn't win the Coleman medal this year then we should trade him for a 3rd string ruckman from another club ;)
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I'd like to see him take a couple of strong grabs and bang through some 40-50 metre set shot goals in the next few weeks.
I think we need to start setting our expectations higher on our kids.
If he doesn't win the Coleman medal this year then we should trade him for a 3rd string ruckman from another club ;)
Lol. :clapping
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i think the last tiger player i saw kick a goal from that boundary and so deliberate was Michael Roach
astbury could be a gem
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watched the replay again
his 4th qtr goal was all class
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Here's the video highlights of Astbury's first game from the RFC site
http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/259029
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Gee what I really liked was the pressure from both Astbury and Jack working together to create those goals... good mojo together. Have to point out the first one was a nice drive forward from Simmonds from the middle that created the opportunity too..
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David debuts
SARAH SCULLY
Ararat Advertiser
23 Apr, 2010
TATYOON - David Astbury's debut for the Richmond Football Club impressed his coach, the Tiger faithful and media commentators, but the 19-year-old from Tatyoon remains remarkably down to earth.
Astbury was one of three Tiger cubs, along with Troy Taylor and fellow former-Rebel Matt Dea, to get his big break against Melbourne on Sunday after four Richmond regulars were suspended.
''It was good to get the first game out of the way. I probably got a bit lucky and kicked a few goals,'' Astbury said.
Astbury finished the match with seven disposals, three marks and three goals, including two in the first quarter.
Luck may have played a very small part, but it is Astbury's skill and composure that has coach Damien Hardwick grooming him for a key role in the club's future.
''Astbury I thought was very, very good (on debut) for a first year, key-position player,'' Hardwick said.
''His leadership, his ability to demand the ball and to tell other players when and where to go was outstanding.''
While Hardwick was disappointed by his side's 55-point loss, he said he would take a number of positives from the match.
''We've got some work to do with those boys (Astbury, Taylor and Dea). They have to build on those games. But from a Richmond football club point-of-view we are very happy with their performances today.''
Although Astbury is versatile enough to excel at either end of the ground, Hardwick has plans to make Astbury the club's future key forward once he gains experience and his body matures.
''He's got a little time for me,'' Astbury said of Hardwick.
''That's where I want to play long term.''
Things have moved quickly for Astbury since he was drafted to Richmond as the number 35 pick last November.
He now lives in Melbourne, with a supportive host family who understand the ups and downs of forging a career in football.
He is also adapting to a new schedule which requires him to train six days a week.
''The past few months have been really good,'' Astbury said.
''I've established a few very good relationships with players around the club and so far I've had a really good time.''
In addition to his football commitments, Astbury is studying a civil engineering and business degree at Swinburne University.
''I've started studying to take my mind off footy, as a bit of a release, and I have a whole other network of friends there as well.''
Astbury said his friends and family were all eagerly anticipating his debut.
''My family came to watch. I heard from a few of the people that were there that they were pretty excited,'' Astbury said.
His father Craig said the families and friends of the debutantes sat together for the match.
''The parents of the debutantes were invited to the rooms, into the inner sanctum, where Frances Bourke presented the boys with their jumpers,'' Mr Astbury, said.
''He talked about the significance of the jumper and how it will reward them over and over if they're prepared to put in the work. It was quite a moving presentation actually.''
Mr Astbury said the whole experience was very exciting.
''David didn't have a lot of possessions but he made the most of his opportunities, which has been the hallmark of his footy so far - his composure and his thinking,'' he said.
Although Richmond is yet to win a match, Mr Astbury believes there are some encouraging signs for the Tigers' long-term future, provided the boys work hard and stick to Hardwick's game plan.
''David's a good listener, he's quite coachable. He's been very committed to getting a game - I admire his commitment,'' he said.
''He's got a fair way to go but he's got to keep taking these steps to forge a regular spot in the team.''
Astbury is expected to line up for the Tigers on Sunday night as Richmond take on the Fremantle Dockers at Subiaco.
http://www.araratadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/david-debuts/1811262.aspx?storypage=0
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Not flashy stats or highlights but I liked Astbury's game today from the reason he showed he has clean hands and skills for tall and is capable of playing at either end of the ground. You felt assured when he had the footy that he'd do the right thing.
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Not flashy stats or highlights but I liked Astbury's game today from the reason he showed he has clean hands and skills for tall and is capable of playing at either end of the ground. You felt assured when he had the footy that he'd do the right thing.
Yep, fully agree MT. Astbury's game stood out to me in that he was one player I had very little expectations of given the conditions and he proved me very wrong. He was in every contest and contributed his fair share. A really encouraging game.
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Yep, fully agree MT. Astbury's game stood out to me in that he was one player I had very little expectations of given the conditions and he proved me very wrong. He was in every contest and contributed his fair share. A really encouraging game.
Agree smokey.
It also shows the value of holding onto your 3rd round picks. It's these picks that make a draft for any club. In the past it was this pick we would trade away for other clubs' fringe duds.
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So true, which only suggest that we could trade our duds for 3rd round picks now and again.
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i like the look of astbury in the backline along side Deledio, McGaune, Moore.
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Id rather we develop him up forward. Forwards are harder to find. Griffiths and Astbury could be sensational KPP forwards in time. :gotigers
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I dunno, I still think Post plays better forward, he kicked 4 goals on the weekend for Coburg and looked better as a forward for Richmond last year too. Astbury has played very well down back so far and would be a great CHB for us with his precise kicking and clean hands. For the team I think it could be a better structure moving forward.
With the exception of his first game, Astbury has looked better down back and got far more involved in the game.
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I think Astbury is a forward. Has shown alot in the forward line IMHO.
Reads the ball really well and has strong hands taking one grab marks.
Fwd line with Astbury, Griffiths and Riewoldt will cause headaches for any opposition defence.
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nice to know you have a forward than can go back if needed.
If he makes the grade he should be a good footballer.
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Not flashy stats or highlights but I liked Astbury's game today from the reason he showed he has clean hands and skills for tall and is capable of playing at either end of the ground. You felt assured when he had the footy that he'd do the right thing.
Agree
Actually I was very pleasantly surprised by how comfortable he looked down back. A very handy option to have these days
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this is not based on the port game.very hard for any tall in those conditions. imo he needs a break. hasnt had a lot of ball even though hes had a decent block of games. coburg for touch and confidence and then straight back in.
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this is not based on the port game.very hard for any tall in those conditions. imo he needs a break. hasnt had a lot of ball even though hes had a decent block of games. coburg for touch and confidence and then straight back in.
*delete member*
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this is not based on the port game.very hard for any tall in those conditions. imo he needs a break. hasnt had a lot of ball even though hes had a decent block of games. coburg for touch and confidence and then straight back in.
didnt he jsut have a break?
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this is not based on the port game.very hard for any tall in those conditions. imo he needs a break. hasnt had a lot of ball even though hes had a decent block of games. coburg for touch and confidence and then straight back in.
didnt he jsut have a break?
yep, play him for another block of games in the seniors(3 or 4) then give him 4-5 at coburg before fnishing the season in the seniors
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He did enough to hold his spot . If he needs a break give him a week off and then play him in the seniors again.
When he gets the ball he looks like he belongs.
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of course you would prefer Astbury (and all young KPP) to make it as a forward. its harder to be a AFL KPP than a backman.
however, Astbury height and kicking still is very handy in the back line at this stage //
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Early days but a first year tall raking up 21 possies at 86% disposal efficiency, 5 marks, 3 bounces (meaning he runs the ball) and two 1%ers is a great effort.
Possible chance to be the rising star nominee this week you'd think.
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i was thinking that, feel sorry for nason if he gets pipped by astbury, given nasons consistency!!
played very well today
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Early days but a first year tall raking up 21 possies at 86% disposal efficiency, 5 marks, 3 bounces (meaning he runs the ball) and two 1%ers is a great effort.
Possible chance to be the rising star nominee this week you'd think.
One would hope. I thought he was really impressive. We won the game and usually the candidate they select comes from a winning team. If that is the standard then him or Nason. I think Collo might take the prize this week based on his last quarter.
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Early days but a first year tall raking up 21 possies at 86% disposal efficiency, 5 marks, 3 bounces (meaning he runs the ball) and two 1%ers is a great effort.
Possible chance to be the rising star nominee this week you'd think.
Funny a couple of times against the bigger bodies he looked a bit lost today I thought
I actually think he needs a rest - couple of times looked really slow
Great prmosie though, IMHO I think he (& Griffiths for that matter) has bolted past Post
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supposedly the longest kick weve had at punt road in years......Kimmy Jess anyone?
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supposedly the longest kick weve had at punt road in years......Kimmy Jess anyone?
Those comments were about Griffiths, not Astbury
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supposedly the longest kick weve had at punt road in years......Kimmy Jess anyone?
Those comments were about Griffiths, not Astbury
sorry.
wheres the griffo thread?
lol @ kimmy jess
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A very good game by Astbury
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20 possies at 75% efficiency for a first year player in a side that got pumped. Not bad for 195cm tall cub selected at pick 35. Astbury obviously has a long way to go and still more to learn but we're learning who wants to stand up when times are tough.
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:thumbsup
Very happy with what I'm seeing in this kid
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Was the standout defender against the pies
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Astbury will be a guest on Ch 9's TAC Future Stars at 1pm today with Hutchy, Dixon and Kevin Sheehan.
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:thumbsup
Very happy with what I'm seeing in this kid
ditto. hopefully once he gets a couple more pre-seasons under his belt he'll be a top player at the club.
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Credti where credit is due
I thought he loked absolutely lost 10-15 minutes but then once he settled he was without doubt our best defender yesterday.
Which in a way is a sad indictment on our more senior key position backman from yesterday
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Credti where credit is due
I thought he loked absolutely lost 10-15 minutes but then once he settled he was without doubt our best defender yesterday.
Which in a way is a sad indictment on our more senior key position backman from yesterday
did we have any senior KPB yesterday?
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This ones a keeper.
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Credti where credit is due
I thought he loked absolutely lost 10-15 minutes but then once he settled he was without doubt our best defender yesterday.
Which in a way is a sad indictment on our more senior key position backman from yesterday
did we have any senior KPB yesterday?
I was referring to one in particular who refused to even stay remotely close to his opponent
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ass-berry is fast becoming fave
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Good chance for the Rising Star this week
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Going real good.
Skills belie his height.
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looks very cool/composed this lad
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Credti where credit is due
I thought he loked absolutely lost 10-15 minutes but then once he settled he was without doubt our best defender yesterday.
Which in a way is a sad indictment on our more senior key position backman from yesterday
Maybe he has his mind on a sunnier climate.
:thumbsup
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Well he's contracted for next year so GC Suns can't get him
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Astbury happy on the backline
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
Tue 27 July, 2010
RICHMOND forward-turned-defender David Astbury says he's gone back for the long-term.
Astbury was taken by the Tigers with pick 35 in the 2009 NAB AFL draft after playing all five games for Vic Country in the 2009 Under-18 championships, and has played 13 games this season.
Despite kicking three on debut against Melbourne in round four, he says he's enjoyed the move to the backline.
"Life as a forward is hard when you're not winning games, that’s when I started at the club," he said at Punt Rd Oval on Tuesday morning.
"Now that I've moved back, I think it's a role that I'll find myself in long-term.
"I'm not finding it hard at all - I've got a few good mates down there who are helping me improve, and I think that's where you'll see me long-term."
Richmond had put together a terrific run until a couple of weeks ago, winning five of six matches, and the defensive unit was a key part of the process. In that period, the Tigers were the team least likely to be scored against when the ball went inside 50.
The 19-year-old said the backline has quality, but it isn’t the only place the team has class, albeit young.
"We've got a terrific group - obviously we've got (captain) Chris Newman back there, and some seasoned players in Luke McGuane and Brett Deledio who have senior experience for the last five or six years, so we've got a group back there, and we're improving every week.
"We've got a young and talented group, but I think it was always just going to be a matter of time when we all started to gel together enough to start putting some points on the board.
"And once it happened, we went through a really good period, and we've had a little bit of a setback, but we'll bounce back.
"Obviously inconsistency was going to feature in our season, because we're such a young group.
"I suppose we've got a few tired bodies at the minute, but I think you'll find that we'll bounce back pretty well - we'll start to get on the up again, and show some more improvement."
He said the opportunity to possibly shape the final eight wasn't a thought heading into this weekend's clash with Adelaide.
"They're on the back of a pretty disappointing loss for their footy club, so I don't think it's about shaping the eight, that's not what we go out there to do.
"I think we just go out there to play our best football and improve."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/99074/default.aspx
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Love the look of this kid.
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Good chance for the Rising Star this week
He's still waiting despite playing 14 games in his debut year including 20 and 15 possies in the past fortnight ???. It's normally harder for the tall kids to have an impact right away yet Astbury has slotted nicely into our defence with the ability to have a spurt up forward.
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It looks like weve found our "big" CHB. Now we just need a similar 195cm to play at FB.
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It looks like weve found our "big" CHB. Now we just need a similar 195cm to play at FB.
Why? Since when has any premiership defence needed two defenders of 195cm+?
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It looks like weve found our "big" CHB. Now we just need a similar 195cm to play at FB.
Why? Since when has any premiership defence needed two defenders of 195cm+?
ramps is right
every fwd line needs at least 2 big men and every good defence needs at least 2 big back men
look at brisbane wgen they won the threepeat mal mishael and leppitsch
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It looks like weve found our "big" CHB. Now we just need a similar 195cm to play at FB.
Why? Since when has any premiership defence needed two defenders of 195cm+?
ramps is right
every fwd line needs at least 2 big men and every good defence needs at least 2 big back men
look at brisbane wgen they won the threepeat mal mishael and leppitsch
Justin Leppitsch - 191cm
Mal Michael - 190cm
Kelvin Moore - 190cm
Luke McGuane - 191cm
Will Thursfield - 191cm
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Cmon Smokey....put their weight as well. :o
Micheal and Leppitsch were real "gorilla keepers".....not sure you can say that about our trio.
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Cmon Smokey....put their weight as well. :o
Micheal and Leppitsch were real "gorilla keepers".....not sure you can say that about our trio.
Neither of them were 'gorillas' when they were young - Michael in fact was one of the skinniest guys going around when he was in his early 20's - in fact he weighed 68 kgs when he was drafted and 85kgs when he went to Brisbane in 2001 at 24 years of age. Both only grew bulk in their later years, as do most players. And I was only responding to the comments about needing 195+cm to play at fullback, citing Michael and Leppitsch as examples. As a comparison:
Moore is 26 and weighs 84kg
McGuane is 23 and weighs 86kg
Thursfield is 24 and weighs 85kg
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It looks like weve found our "big" CHB. Now we just need a similar 195cm to play at FB.
Why? Since when has any premiership defence needed two defenders of 195cm+?
ramps is right
every fwd line needs at least 2 big men and every good defence needs at least 2 big back men
look at brisbane wgen they won the threepeat mal mishael and leppitsch
Justin Leppitsch - 191cm
Mal Michael - 190cm
Kelvin Moore - 190cm
Luke McGuane - 191cm
Will Thursfield - 191cm
what they lacked in height
the gained in size they were very strong and could hold kp forwards
scarlet/harley another good combo
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Cmon Smokey....put their weight as well. :o
Micheal and Leppitsch were real "gorilla keepers".....not sure you can say that about our trio.
Neither of them were 'gorillas' when they were young - Michael in fact was one of the skinniest guys going around when he was in his early 20's - in fact he weighed 68 kgs when he was drafted and 85kgs when he went to Brisbane in 2001 at 24 years of age. Both only grew bulk in their later years, as do most players. And I was only responding to the comments about needing 195+cm to play at fullback, citing Michael and Leppitsch as examples. As a comparison:
Moore is 26 and weighs 84kg
McGuane is 23 and weighs 86kg
Thursfield is 24 and weighs 85kg
too light
i bet dustin weighs that much and is only 19
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Cmon Smokey....put their weight as well. :o
Micheal and Leppitsch were real "gorilla keepers".....not sure you can say that about our trio.
Neither of them were 'gorillas' when they were young - Michael in fact was one of the skinniest guys going around when he was in his early 20's - in fact he weighed 68 kgs when he was drafted and 85kgs when he went to Brisbane in 2001 at 24 years of age. Both only grew bulk in their later years, as do most players. And I was only responding to the comments about needing 195+cm to play at fullback, citing Michael and Leppitsch as examples. As a comparison:
Moore is 26 and weighs 84kg
McGuane is 23 and weighs 86kg
Thursfield is 24 and weighs 85kg
too light
i bet dustin weighs that much and is only 19
Did you think Michael was too light when he went to Brisbane and played fullback in a winning grand final side at 24 years of age?
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It looks like weve found our "big" CHB. Now we just need a similar 195cm to play at FB.
Why? Since when has any premiership defence needed two defenders of 195cm+?
ramps is right
every fwd line needs at least 2 big men and every good defence needs at least 2 big back men
look at brisbane wgen they won the threepeat mal mishael and leppitsch
Justin Leppitsch - 191cm
Mal Michael - 190cm
Kelvin Moore - 190cm
Luke McGuane - 191cm
Will Thursfield - 191cm
what they lacked in height
the gained in size they were very strong and could hold kp forwards
scarlet/harley another good combo
Harley 193cm
Scarlett - 192cm
Yet again, neither of them is over 195cm
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Tatyoon's tiger cub earns his stripes
Ararat Advertiser
19 Nov, 2010
TATYOON - Richmond footballer David Astbury has been rewarded for his impressive debut season with Matthew Richardson's famous number 12 guernsey.
Richardson, who wore number 12 throughout his entire 282-game, 800-goal career at Tigerland, presented the Tatyoon native with the jumper last Friday at the club's 2011 membership campaign launch.
The number 12 was previously worn by Richardson's father, Alan 'Bull' Richardson and goalkicking great Jack Titus.
Astbury said the honour came as a huge surprise.
"I was informed about half an hour before the formal presentation and press conference," he said.
Astbury, who wore number 39 this season, said he was aware numbers four and 12 would be presented to two of the club's younger members - although he had no indication he was in the running.
"I was very humble and thrilled to be given the opportunity to play in the number 12 jumper after such a champion," he said.
Astbury said his family was thrilled with the news.
"They're very proud of me," he said.
"Obviously the club holds me in reasonably high regard, to be given such an honour, so they're pretty proud."
Coach Damien Hardwick made it clear throughout the season he is grooming Astbury to play a key role in the club's future.
Astbury played 17 games for the season, impressing with his versatility, endurance and all-round skills.
He debuted in round four, finishing the match against Melbourne with seven disposals, three marks and three goals, including two in the first quarter.
Although Hardwick was disappointed by his side's 55-point loss to the Demons, he was pleased with the 19-year-old's performance.
''Astbury I thought was very, very good (on debut) for a first year, key-position player,'' Hardwick said.
''His leadership, his ability to demand the ball and to tell other players when and where to go was outstanding.''
Astbury played most of the year in defence, but Hardwick has plans to make him the club's future key forward - the new 'Richo' - once he gains experience and his body matures.
Tigers' Rising Star of 2010, Dustin Martin, was also honoured by the club, receiving the revered number four guernsey from four-time premiership coach, Tommy Hafey.
Passing on the prestigious guernseys, which were 'retired' in 2009, fits in with Harwick's philosophy of Tigers needing to earn their stripes before they are considered worthy of any of the numbers revered by the yellow and black faithful.
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Astbury dishes on debut season
Ararat Advertiser
21 Jan, 2011
TATYOON - Tatyoon's favourite son David Astbury enjoyed a rare trip back to his home town over Christmas after a successful debut season with the Richmond Football Club.
Despite a whirlwind 12 months which saw him play 17 senior matches, Astbury has remained the same down-to-earth teenager that was picked up at number 35 in the 2009 NAB National AFL Draft.
The 19-year-old admitted he was surprised to have been given so many opportunities in his first year and is keen to reward the club's faith in him.
He went a long way to doing so in the 2010 home and away season when he booted three goals on debut against Melbourne in round four.
Astbury's stand-out performance attracted plenty of praise from coach Damien Hardwick and cemented his spot in the Richmond line-up.
Since his debut match Astbury has settled into a defensive role where he expects to remain for the upcoming season.
The versatile tall will kick off his second year at the club in a new jumper after being entrusted with Matthew Richardson's famous number 12 guernsey.
In a further showing of the Tigers' belief in Astbury, he was presented with the jumper at Richmond's membership campaign launch at Punt Rd in November.
The honour capped of a dream year for the former Tatyoon player who hopes to further improve his game in 2011.
Ararat Advertiser journalist Jessie Antonio sat down with Astbury to find out what his first year in the AFL system was really like.
Jessie Antonio: What have the past 12 months been like for you?
David Astbury: It was a big thrill to be able to play senior footy early in the season and to be able to hold my spot throughout the whole year was pretty good as well. I suppose being a first year player I came across a few injuries and things like that but other than that it was a pretty successful year for me.
Was your first year of AFL what you expected?
Probably not. I didn't really expect to find myself in the senior team so much. It's always the story that when you're young and you're a tall player you normally take time to develop so I expected to be playing at Coburg a lot more.
Did it take you long to settle in at the club?
It was quite an easy thing actually. They'd just had a big clean out of a lot of older players so the group was pretty young. We naturally gelled together pretty early on so I was pretty lucky in that respect.
Who are some of the players you have become close with?
Guys like Alex Rance, Andrew Browne. I'm very close with Jack Reiwoldt as well. There is a pretty good mix of older and younger guys.
What have your living arrangements been like since moving to the club?
The club organised for me to move in with a host family in Coburg. They're terrific people and they're a great support network so I struck it really lucky with them. They help me a lot. When you've had a big day on the track or something like that and you're very tired it's good to come home to a home cooked meal. Also, if I've had a rough week or don't perform very well on the weekend they're always there to talk to and it's just good to have another support. I'm the first player they've had stay with them.
You're at university as well, how are you managing to balance football and study?
I'm studying civil engineering and commerce. Early it was a real struggle to fit in both. From my second and my sixth game or something we had three interstate trips. That takes a lot of time out of your week so I missed a few lectures and stuff. I deferred again for the second semester and I'm starting again this semester. We have a compulsory program being a first year player in the AFL, called the AFL Apprenticeship which is just like a Certificate III in sport so that takes a lot of time as well.
What would a typical week during the season involve?
Usually six days. The pre-season and the in-season programs are very different. The pre-season is just hard work, there is no other way to describe it really. You've just got to grit your teeth and get through it.
The in-season isn't so bad. You need a couple of days recovery (after a game) before you can do anything serious. During the in-season we would train five to six days a week. Wednesday afternoon and Friday afternoon is normally when I do the majority of my study.
Was it difficult to adjust to an AFL training program?
It was. When I was under 18 I did a lot of training but it was maybe an hour or two hours every day or every second day. In an AFL environment it's pretty much a full time occupation. I feel like I've started to get used to it now.
Last year obviously they had already done a month's training before we got to the club so everyone was really into the swing of things before we event got there. It took time adjusting that way but once you've got your first season under your belt and you've played a few games it's much easier to roll into the next season.
From an individual perspective you had a pretty successful debut season. How did you rate your performance?
Early it was very inconsistent which is something that a lot of people expected but I managed to kick a few goals on debut and then found myself playing in defence. Once I settled into a defensive role I averaged plenty more disposals during the second half of the season.
So, I think I played two different seasons in a way. Inconsistent for the first eight weeks and then for the next nine or so I was a bit more consistent which was more pleasing for me.
So you were happy with the opportunities that you got?
Yeah I was. I was very surprised but once the coach, Damien, realised that I was showing some signs at senior level he gave me a lot of opportunities and I was lucky enough to be able to showcase my skills.
What is your relationship with Damien Hardwick like?
It's very good. It's a very professional relationship and we get on well.
Was there any particular highlight that stood out for you in your first season?
The win against Sydney at the MCG in front of 60,000 people where we came from 33 points behind to win by less than a kick in the last quarter. Personally it was my best game for the season as well so it was a good week after that.
You mentioned you suffered a few injuries during the season, how are things looking now?
I had general groin soreness and stuff like that and I had a hip arthroscope at the end of the year just to sort a few things out.
What goals have you set yourself for 2011.
If can play another 15 or so games I think I will be very happy with that, and just try and hold down a key position in the back half. I think that's where I'm going to play the majority of the year so if I can play some consistent football at centre half back that's probably my main goal.
Have you had much free time since the end of last year's home and away season?
We had eight weeks off in between. I went under the knife on the 23rd of August for my hip arthroscope so I missed Round 22 and then we had eight weeks off after that where a few of us went to Thailand. It was really good to freshen up a bit.
We had 15 days off over Christmas and New Year so that was also good. I didn't have much of a chance to get back during the season. Last year I was away from home a lot so I intend to get home a bit more this season.
What do you like to do when you come home?
I've got three sisters so coming home it's a very different household to the one I live in at the moment. It's good to catch up with them. I do miss them a bit.
Did your family get to many games last year?
They got to almost every game apart from the interstate ones. It was good to know they were there.
You have been in the media quite a bit in your first season. Have people started recognising you in the street yet?
It's funny, lately I have been (recognised) a bit. Towards the end of the season when I was given Matthew Richardson's number that got a bit of media attention and people started to put a name to my face. I was in Noosa over New Years and I was recognised a little bit.
How do you handle the attention?
I'm not really sure. I don't go out of my way to say that I'm a footballer. You play it with a straight bat and try to be as conservative as you can. You don't try and make yourself a big deal in the public because you don't want to create a bad image for yourself.
You are living the dream of thousands of junior footballers but were there any sacrifices you had to make to get where you are today?
Probably the main sacrifice I made (to become an AFL player) was that I finished school as a 17 year-old and I always intended to go straight to university but I realised that I had an opportunity to play state level under 18 football and really focus on it, so I ended up deferring university and living in Ballarat for a year. I managed to get myself drafted but I was kind of living away from home and not living in Melbourne where I went to school and stuff so it was a bit isolating for me. I guess that was the biggest sacrifice but luckily it paid off.
What advice would you give this year's draft picks?
Just encourage yourself to be an extrovert or I guess express yourself because the sooner the guys can see what you're like the quicker they'll understand you and the better relationship you will have with them. Also be consistent with your training habits.
(http://www.araratadvertiser.com.au/multimedia/images/large/1081374.jpg)
South Australian visitors Michael and Andrew Jonas got a suprise to meet rising Richmond star David Astbury during a trip to Ararat over the holiday season. Picture: PETER PICKERING
http://www.araratadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/astbury-dishes-on-debut-season/2053923.aspx?storypage=0
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T-shirt tucked into shorts, had to be South Australian :lol
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Sounds like a future captain.
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Dave's got a sound head on those shoulders of his hasn't he :thumbsup.
He's also a good storyteller too embellishing the Sydney game crowd by an extra 20k :laugh:.
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He's also a good storyteller too embellishing the Sydney game crowd by an extra 20k :laugh:.
It probably seemed like that to the players of the field. Us Tigers make a lot of noise. One of the attractions for being a Richmond player. We don't win often but when we do the players must get a real buzz. I'd take one of our wins over a North Melbourne or Bulldogs win anyday. How depressing that must be.
North Melbourne wins. Players jumping up and down. Yay!!!! (Sound of crickets :sleep ). I know it happens, I've been there. :wallywink
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Norf Mel :sleep urk ah ohh sorry dozed off there for a sec.
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Astbury takes on famous No.12
richmondfc.com.au
By Nat Edwards
Tue 08 Feb, 2011
RICHMOND utility David Astbury says he will wear his new No.12 with pride as he runs out onto Etihad Stadium in round one of the NAB Cup on Saturday night.
Astbury was presented with the famous No.12 in November 2010 but has yet to don the jumper after match against the Indigenous All-Stars in Alice Springs was called off due to bad weather.
The famous Richmond No.12 jumper was most recently worn by Tigers champion Matthew Richardson.
Richardson handpicked the 19-year-old as his successor and while it's an honour for Astbury, the jumper does come with a responsibility.
"Richo himself having a say in who gets to wear the number [makes it] a real honour," Astbury said on Tuesday.
"I have a real obligation to represent it the best I can."
Richmond's goals record holder, Jack Titus (970), along with Richardson (800), also wore No.12, but Astbury found himself playing in defence at the back half of last season despite making his debut in the forward line and kicking three goals.
Astbury said he was yet to gain any pearls of wisdom from Richardson but will draw on his new mentor in the future.
"He gave me his phone number and that was about it," Astbury said.
"We've had a couple of chats and I caught up with him a fortnight ago at the golf day.
"He's going to be someone I'll turn to as a mentor, so he'll be very helpful."
Astbury is part of an inexperienced and young Tigers' list that has an average age of 22 and while they are on the up, the success of their season won't be based upon a win-loss ratio.
Instead, coach Damien Hardwick is after gradual improvement.
"We're not going to limit the number of wins and losses and have that as a yardstick," Astbury said.
"I think it's all going to be how we progress and we can see who can step up to the tee and perform in the big games. I don't think wins and losses is going to be a real focus point for us."
After an intense pre-season, the developing side will be put to the test when it comes up again two 2010 finalists, Carlton and Collingwood, in round one of the NAB Cup on Saturday night.
"We've got a young list at the minute and I suppose Saturday night is going to be a real opportunity to showcase the improvement we've made over the pre-season," the 19-year-old said.
"Building into the NAB Cup we're going to showcase a lot of young talent and hopefully we can show our gradual improvement, which has been a real focus for us over the pre-season."
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=107477
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Forget the Cho. Make the no12 yr own Dave. 8)
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David Astbury: A Tiger on the rise
AFL Record
By Callum Twomey
Round 1, 2011
David Astbury had a promising start to his career in 2010, playing 17 games and looking assured at the top level. But the young Richmond defender wasn't satisfied. The Tigers allowed the AFL Record's CALLUM TWOMEY to track Astbury over the pre-season as he worked to take his game to the next level.
David Astbury had a successful pre-season. He managed his body well enough to avoid injury, and progressively ticked off personal goals - he wanted to get bigger, faster and learn his craft as a defender - before round one of the season. His was a summer without glitch.
By monitoring Astbury's pre-season, we were given an insight into how a typical summer campaign unfolds: it is tough, relentless and tightly managed, often to the minute.
Astbury was able to cope. Last year, he started his career as a forward, but by the end of the season had cemented a spot as a tall defender. His hands are strong, his skills are better than good and, most importantly, he's smart.
That third quality is evident when we meet either in person, at the club or over lunch, or speak on the phone, to gauge his latest developments. Astbury, who turned just 20 last month and is studying for an engineering degree at Swinburne University, is careful to not get ahead of himself. He knows now the challenge is translating the work he did during pre-season by making an impact on the field.
Noticeably, the training has changed Astbury physically.
I had caught up with him last August, but by December, the next time we met, his body shape had changed significantly.
The laid-back demeanour and the blond hair remain, with fringe inclined from left to right - a trait that earned him the nickname 'Swoop' at the club after teammate Brett Deledio noticed Astbury's fringe swoops across his forehead - but he's built up remarkably.
Coach Damien Hardwick says he is looking forward to seeing how Astbury copes as a key defender, and Astbury spent every day of the pre-season -148 - working towards that aim. When he runs out against Carlton for the first match of the season in his first game in the No. 12 jumper, the rest of us will get a glimpse of how far he has progressed.
"I can't wait," he says.
OCTOBER-NOVEMBER, 2010
Sixty-seven days after Astbury played his last game of 2010, he was back at Punt Road Oval at the first training session of the 2011 campaign. Football never stops, so they say, but for more than two months Astbury was able to reflect on his first season at AFL level.
Reflection at top-level sport, however, can be dangerous if not handled well. For Astbury, and the other first-to-third year Tigers, the next challenge awaited. He knew what he wanted - and needed - to do.
Astbury's first month of training, from October 27 through to the end of November, was limited due to a hip arthroscopy, which meant his work on the track was restricted mainly to straight-line running.
"There was a fair bit of a volume I had to get into my legs before I could start training with the main group," he says.
The workload is nevertheless strenuous. Astbury is at the club every day, and on Richmond's main training days - Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays - he spends more than nine hours at the club.
Every day, bar Wednesdays, the players do weights, and on weekends cross-training, including swimming or bike riding, are instituted partly to help break the monotony.
With a focus on power-based running, strength, jumping and foot skills, Astbury is "pretty happy" with how his pre-season is going.
"Last year, my playing weight was about 85-86kg and at the moment I'm fluctuating between 91-92kg, so if I hang on to a lot of that weight and still move freely, I'll be tracking well," Astbury says when we meet at a St Kilda cafe.
Astbury's November was also marked by a key moment on an individual level, when Tigers icon Matthew Richardson announced to a packed gymnasium at Richmond's Punt Road headquarters that Astbury had been chosen to take over the No. 12 jumper Richardson wore until he retired at the end of 2009.
Humbled, Astbury told the crowd he has "an obligation now to represent the number as best I can".
The month's block of training ended overseas, with the club holding a five-day camp in Wellington, New Zealand. Players were split into six groups, doing daily challenges such as canoeing, cycling and even farming activities, something Astbury should have excelled at considering he grew up on a wheat farm in Tatyoon, a tiny country town in Victoria's west.
"My group actually won that challenge," he says with a laugh.
DECEMBER
After the New Zealand trip, the first week of December was used to get the players back into the routine of training and, the following two weeks, Astbury says, "were the two biggest loading weeks of the pre-season so far".
Through this period, the formula for the main training days is a 60-80-minute skills session followed by a 20-minute conditioning set. He manages to keep up with training, despite the hip setback.
"The biggest challenge was the mental battle of feeling I was falling behind being in the rehab group after the hip operation, but since I've come back, it's been really pleasing," he says.
Richmond uses its sessions with dual intentions: within its match simulation it embeds all its fitness work. No session is done without the game style as priority, and players spend most of December doing game-related drills. Emphasis is placed on efficient movement of the ball from one end of the ground to the other.
"On the flipside," Astbury says, "when we haven't got the ball, we've put a big focus on turning it over as early as we can."
In setting his sights on becoming a key position defender, Astbury has been learning his craft by partnering Coleman medallist Jack Riewoldt.
"Jack went to Ireland and thought he was a bit behind when he got in the gym, so he asked me if we could pair up and we've done that," he says.
"And when we're doing marking, he's always got pointers on how to manoeuvre your opponent or lose them in a contest."
The players finish their football commitments on December 21, and after spending 2010 living with a host family in Coburg in Melbourne's northern suburbs, Astbury heads back to Tatyoon to celebrate Christmas with his parents and three sisters. He spends several nights over the New Year period in Noosa.
He needs the break to recover from the tough two-week block, but still spends about 45 minutes each day keeping in shape.
Two months down, and Astbury has worked out a simple way of getting through the pain barrier: "I never look to the end of the session because I know it's just got to finish at some point."
JANUARY, 2011
Richmond returns from its break on January 5 with a set of time-trials, and though Astbury starts the day with an ear infection, he ranks among the best of the taller players.
He has improved his overall fitness and strength, in line with his aims at the start of the pre-season. In a live chat on richmondfc.com.au, the Tigers' elite performance manager Matt Hornsby says Astbury had put on more weight than any player at the club.
"He's really improved his strength and size, with the ambition of becoming a key position player," Hornsby says.
Astbury is pleased when the club officially lists him at 92kg, especially since his speed hasn't suffered.
"It was a big goal of mine to get above 90kg consistently, and putting on weight in my legs has helped me, but I don't think I've lost anything as a result of the extra weight," he says.
Astbury's improvement is underlined in late January when he is asked to play a role in the club's leadership group this year.
Although not an official member of the six-man team, captain Chris Newman requests Astbury sits in meetings after the youngster receives positive feedback from his peers.
"We did the voting and I sat outside the group of six after getting a few votes from the guys," Astbury says. "Newman said I'll be able to sit in and partake in particular meetings and get involved with the group, so it's something I'm really looking forward to."
With the club scheduled to play the Aboriginal All-Stars in Darwin on February 5, Astbury says the last two weeks of January are the toughest of the pre-season campaign to date, but remaining enthusiastic about the season to come is easy.
"In those last two weeks, we spent more time than any stage of the pre-season on the track and had a lot of running sessions," he says.
"The lead-up to Christmas is just a battle of getting through to the break, but once you get back to the club, you get yourself primed to play."
FEBRUARY-MARCH
Even though inclement weather leads to the All-Stars match being cancelled, Richmond gets back into game mode in February.
During the NAB Cup and NAB Challenge series, training is structured with a focus on games, the sessions tapering off as matches approach.
Astbury continues his build-up to round one with an impressive first-round NAB Cup effort against Collingwood and Carlton. He is particularly impressive against the Blues, when he picks up 12 touches in the 40-minute game. It's something he wants to continue.
"Moving to the backline, I knew there were a lot of flaws in my defensive game that I needed to iron out, and that has been a big focus for me over the pre-season," Astbury says.
"But now I've started to improve defensively, the coaches think I have the tools to play a more attacking role, so I'm hoping to get a lot more possessions this year.
"I have to find a bit more of a balance."
With an eye on fitness management, it's rare players take part in all pre-season fixtures. Astbury plays in three of Richmond's four hit-outs, having a well-earned rest for the Port Adelaide contest in Alice Springs.
A unique aspect of Richmond's pre-season is its head-to-head training with Hawthorn.
The clubs' younger players squared off at the Hawks' Waverley Park headquarters in February.
Astbury says the session was more about fine-tuning plans than playing full-on practice matches.
"We did set-ups at stoppages and then they (the Hawks) tried theirs and then we'd just play it out. The coaches gave us different scenarios, like what to do when we turn the footy over in the back half and what to do to move the ball out, while they had to try and shut us down," Astbury says.
"It was about seeing how our plans held up against theirs."
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Diet and sleep were keys
» In aiming to put on weight, David Astbury's diet was loaded with carbohydrates. On a normal day during pre-season, Astbury would have six meals, plus four protein shakes.
On rotation, his meals would consist of:
» Pasta
» Sandwiches
» Rice dishes
His sleeping patterns were also pivotal. Astbury would rise at 6.30am every day, having gone to bed before 10pm. Generally, he was exhausted after training and was able to get at least eight hours of sleep each night, keeping him fresh for the next day's session.
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This article is now up on the RFC site
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/110170/default.aspx
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David Astbury shows his true colours
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
April 15, 2011
THEY say one man's trash is another man's treasure and so it has proved for Richmond youngster David Astbury.
First, backline colleague Alex Rance was suspended for a high hit in Round 1. Luke McGuane then followed suit in Round 2.
Astbury, in his second season with the Tigers, was getting a game, but the two suspensions meant he was taking on far more responsibility.
Suddenly, the unassuming lad from Tatyoon - an hour east of Ballarat - had to go from rebounding defender to key stopper.
"Alex was suspended, then Luke, and it got a bit more worrying then," Astbury said.
"But I think to learn and compete against the best you've got to play against the best and if it didn't pan out that way I probably wouldn't have played on Jarryd Roughead on the weekend."
Astbury, 20, conceded 8kg to his more experienced Hawthorn rival, but only three goals, despite the Tigers' 63-point thumping.
"He's just a strong man. I had to make sure I took possession early and tried to hang on to it," Astbury said.
"The best part about it is that Jarryd is very easy to talk to. In the heat of the battle you don't talk to each other, but after the game he was good enough to come and tell me I did this well or I need to improve on this.
"I played on him in Shepparton in the NAB Challenge. He's a great player and I think I can really improve just from playing on him."
But the degree of difficulty will increase tonight when he is asked to subdue either Chris Dawes or Travis Cloke.
"You never compare yourself. When you get on the ground you never think you're a lesser opponent because then you're defeated before you even start," he said.
"That's something I never think of. I always expect to handle myself no matter who it is. There have been instances where I've been outplayed, particularly against (Adelaide's) Taylor Walker in the pre-season, but I definitely don't have the mindset I'm giving away anything."
It's that attitude that has seen Richmond put its faith in Astbury, who added 6kg in the off-season.
"I suppose people think, oh, he's got a bit of developing to do over the next couple of years, and I played at about 85kg last year," Astbury said.
"I just thought, 'I'm not going to wait around, I'm going to fast-track it as best I can'."
Such is the regard in which Richmond holds him that it was decided over summer he would inherit Matthew Richardson's No.12 jumper.
"It was pretty daunting. The first thing that popped into my head was the pressure and weight of expectation that comes with it, but slowly you understand having that (jumper) means the club and people believe in you," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/david-astbury-shows-his-true-colours/story-e6frf9jf-1226039334017
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Thought he took a step in the right direction last week. I know some ppl think "what has he done to justify the hype/good will from supporters", but he looks like a thinking footballer. Bit slow athletically, but reckon he has a future even at this early stage of his development.
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Great to see opposition players encouraging the younger players after the game and giving them advise....really good to see these days!
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Richmond keeps the door open for Ballarat's Astbury
BY Gav McGrath
Ballarat Courier
25 May, 2011 10:18 PM
THE door back into Richmond’s line-up is ajar for David Astbury, with injury striking down another Tiger key defender.
On Tuesday 19-year-old full back Dylan Grimes had surgery at the Epworth Hospital to repair his right hamstring, which he tore in Saturday night’s victory over Essendon.
Richmond conceded on its official website that Grimes would have an extended period on the sidelines while he recovers.
Grimes joins Kelvin Moore (hip) on the long-term injury list at Punt Road.
With Will Thursfield (calf injury) also out for a further two weeks the Tigers have a dearth of tall backmen ahead of their match against Port Adelaide at TIO Stadium in Darwin this Saturday.
Former North Ballarat Rebel Astbury, along with David Gourdis, would be in consideration for a return to the AFL after what was described as a “solid performance” for Coburg in the VFL against Frankston.
“(Astbury had) a solid performance in defence,” Richmond development coach David Newett said in his match report yesterday.
“(He) played to structures, took some good marks, and rebounded well.”
Gourdis kicked one goal in Coburg’s 19-point loss but also played mostly in defence against Frankston’s tall forwards. Astbury, 20, played the first four matches of the season but was dropped after the Tigers’ 71-point defeat at the hands of Collingwood.
Capable of playing both ends of the ground, he has lined up predominantly in defence for Coburg, priming him for a return sooner rather than later.
Fellow former Rebel Matt Dea is expected to return from a leg injury within the next two weeks.
http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/richmond-keeps-the-door-open-for-ballarats-astbury/2175136.aspx
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Remind me - what was Astbury doing (or not doing) that had him dropped in Round 5?
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Remind me - what was Astbury doing (or not doing) that had him dropped in Round 5?
I'm no expert, but in my opinion he didn't look to be the best judge of the incoming ball. Tended to watch his opponent more than he should which resulted in him being caught behind too often or just unable to make a contest as he should. I don't know what his performances at Coburg have been like, but hopefully he can time his jumps a little better and not be so orientated on his opponents position and focus more on the ball which should help him.
Astbury will be a good player, I am not convinced though that his best position is in the backline, well not yet anyway.
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Remind me - what was Astbury doing (or not doing) that had him dropped in Round 5?
playing very poorly hardly getting a touch. sent back to coburg to find form touch and confidence dont know if hes done a hell of a lot at coburg but circumstances says he will be promoted.
this is how we should develop our players give blocks of games and when they drop off the pace back to coburg to work on what they have learnt and find form.
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Dave interviewed on TAC Cup Future Stars about life outside of footy ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw0uxdUofFk&feature=player_profilepage
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Remind me - what was Astbury doing (or not doing) that had him dropped in Round 5?
playing very poorly hardly getting a touch. sent back to coburg to find form touch and confidence dont know if hes done a hell of a lot at coburg but circumstances says he will be promoted.
this is how we should develop our players give blocks of games and when they drop off the pace back to coburg to work on what they have learnt and find form.
This
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Astbury has a terrific character. My only concern is that he may be too smart to make a great footballer :whistle Has a strong outside focus and isn't making his complete focus football. Is a great thing for his future beyond football and will keep his level headed but will he do everything in his power to become a super footballer?!
Time will tell
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ONLY TIME....will tell.
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"David Astbury talks about the work @Richmond_FC players have been performing at the St Mary's House of Welcome"
http://aflpa.com.au/beyond_the_jumper/players_tv_video/
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Saw Astbury at the Lake Bolac/ Tatyoon grand final last weekend. Looked in good shape.
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Dave putting in the hard yards on the track post-surgery...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/391648/default.aspx
* Back at training the last couple of weeks. Still lacking full range in movement in his knee but expects that to right itself now he is back doing training exercises for strengthen his knee and running. Hoping to be back to 100% and full training with the boys within a week or two after the start of preseason (Oct 31).
* Heading off to Asia for a holiday on Thurs.
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Dave putting in the hard yards on the track post-surgery...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/391648/default.aspx
* Back at training the last couple of weeks. Still lacking full range in movement in his knee but expects that to right itself now he is back doing training exercises for strengthen his knee and running. Hoping to be back to 100% and full training with the boys within a week or two after the start of preseason (Oct 31).
* Heading off to Asia for a holiday on Thurs.
Ta :)
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Saw a pic on the Club Facebook page of David that reminded me so much of the old footy card poses that I had to turn it into one.
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4612/astburyscanlens.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/astburyscanlens.jpg/)
If anyone wants one done for their favorite player and knows of a good pic to use, send me a link to the pic and I'll try and whip one up for you. :thumbsup
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Thats really cool Tiga, mind if I use it?
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Thats really cool Tiga, mind if I use it?
Its Tiga/OER Copyright - Go get your own ideas champ or just get in behind and support the super dooper lets get our supporters to act like idiots by approaching celebrities idea the club is running with at the moment. ;D
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Thats really cool Tiga, mind if I use it?
Its Tiga/OER Copyright - Go get your own ideas champ or just get in behind and support the super dooper lets get our supporters to act like idiots by approaching celebrities idea the club is running with at the moment. ;D
Calling anyone by the word 'champ', the ultimate insult.
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Thats really cool Tiga, mind if I use it?
Its Tiga/OER Copyright - Go get your own ideas champ or just get in behind and support the super dooper lets get our supporters to act like idiots by approaching celebrities idea the club is running with at the moment. ;D
Calling anyone by the word 'champ', the ultimate insult.
Theres no need to take things so personally :cheers
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like getting uptight about a shjts and giggles competition the club is running?
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like getting uptight about a shjts and giggles competition the club is running?
Its not about the competition its about the waste of time and the stupidity of it, if thats the best they can do then the club is stuffed.
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you've spent too much time in uncle touchy's puzzle basement
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Thats really cool Tiga, mind if I use it?
Its Tiga/OER Copyright - Go get your own ideas champ or just get in behind and support the super dooper lets get our supporters to act like idiots by approaching celebrities idea the club is running with at the moment. ;D
Calling anyone by the word 'champ', the ultimate insult.
Theres no need to take things so personally :cheers
Wasnt taking it personally, just making an attempt at an observation!
All good here
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Thats really cool Tiga, mind if I use it?
No problems at all RFCO. Just mention my name if you show it to anyone important. :thumbsup
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Give some back RFCO, you don't have to put up with that abuse. :gotigers
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Give some back RFCO, you don't have to put up with that abuse. :gotigers
But I'm the whipping boy, that's my role here.
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what are you wearing right now?
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Give some back RFCO, you don't have to put up with that abuse. :gotigers
But I'm the whipping boy, that's my role here.
Dan Jackson wont give up that role without a fight.
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Woah!
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Saw a pic on the Club Facebook page of David that reminded me so much of the old footy card poses that I had to turn it into one.
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4612/astburyscanlens.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/astburyscanlens.jpg/)
If anyone wants one done for their favorite player and knows of a good pic to use, send me a link to the pic and I'll try and whip one up for you. :thumbsup
Brilliant stuff tiga :clapping :thumbsup
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like getting uptight about a shjts and giggles competition the club is running?
Check and mate
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What's a poo?
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What's a poo?
Fjcked if I know
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Give some back RFCO, you don't have to put up with that abuse. :gotigers
But I'm the whipping boy, that's my role here.
I can Coach you to be a champ. It won't be easy but I can do it if you're up to it? Give me a PM.
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Saw a pic on the Club Facebook page of David that reminded me so much of the old footy card poses that I had to turn it into one.
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4612/astburyscanlens.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/astburyscanlens.jpg/)
RFCO has used your pic on twitter tiga...
http://yfrog.com/oervzpqj
No source RFCO? ;)
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Saw a pic on the Club Facebook page of David that reminded me so much of the old footy card poses that I had to turn it into one.
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4612/astburyscanlens.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/astburyscanlens.jpg/)
No source RFCO? ;)
"How cool is this? One of the members of the Tiger Army, Tiga"
I thought about giving his DOB, height, weight etc but thought it might be too much.
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Saw a pic on the Club Facebook page of David that reminded me so much of the old footy card poses that I had to turn it into one.
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4612/astburyscanlens.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/astburyscanlens.jpg/)
No source RFCO? ;)
"How cool is this? One of the members of the Tiger Army, Tiga"
I thought about giving his DOB, height, weight etc but thought it might be too much.
LOL.
I don't use facebook unless you post a link to it from twitter (ie. training pics) :thumbsup. I followed the link to tiga's pic from twitter instead which just mentioned "one of our fans" ;).
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I'm cool with it, but a link to OER would have been a nice touch. :thumbsup
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as far far as forums go, I reckon OER would be the monster child chained to a bed in the attic that never gets talked about in public.
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as far far as forums go, I reckon OER would be the monster child chained to a bed in the attic that never gets talked about in public.
And then there's the squeaky clean kid next door who gags and rapes his siblings :whistle
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:lol
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You guys have been watching too much telly. Go out for a walk. :police:
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au contraire, i hardly watch any telly- although American Horror Story has been getting a guernsey of late ;).
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Astbury is now on twitter:
https://twitter.com/dastbury12
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I'm cool with it, but a link to OER would have been a nice touch. :thumbsup
that would be too much to ask...........
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Dave turns 21 today :birthday
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Shame he is going to miss most of the year with the knee.
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When I saw the Roar Vision video of him last year running and doing weights at Punt Road while the rest of the blokes were on holidays, I was under the impression he was good to go for round one :-\
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Should not have got Richos number so soon IMO. Anyone know when he will be available for selection and will he play forward or back?
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Should not have got Richos number so soon IMO. Anyone know when he will be available for selection and will he play forward or back?
Nothing against the kid, but imo no one should be wearing the Richo's number..... not yet anyway
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Shame he is going to miss most of the year with the knee.
really, whats the latest with him?
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Any indication how far away he is in joining the main group has be sidelined for longtime.
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Was at the Ballarat Family day and said he would not play until mid year.
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That's ages away, thanks for posting too
I hope he comes back bigger and stronger than ever
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I'm sure the kid will be back stronger and better.
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Excuse my ignorance, but did something else happen to him? I found the Roar Vision video from 5 months ago and he didn't seem too far off. At that stage he said he'd only spend a couple weeks with the rehab group before returning to the main group and was looking forward to NAB 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9pgjD4v06Y
So excuse my little "wtf? :huh" at this:
Was at the Ballarat Family day and said he would not play until mid year.
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Surprised he hasn't been added to the long term injury list.
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David Astbury - Under the Tigerscope ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/426184/default.aspx (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/426184/default.aspx)
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:lol
best yet
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Patience a virtue for Tiger Astbury
By Paul Daffey
Tue 20 Mar, 2012
RICHMOND key defender David Astbury, stricken by a knee injury midway through last season, is starting to emerge from the fog of rehabilitation and hopes to return to the field about round six.
Astbury, 21, dislocated his knee against the Sydney Swans at the SCG in round 12 last year.
He had a reconstruction and an arthroscope only to suffer further soreness in mid-November.
The result was another arthroscope to clean out fragments of cartilage, and it's only now that he's able to run without feeling soreness.
"I can see the light at the end of the tunnel," he said on Tuesday.
"The knee is starting to loosen up and I'm feeling lot better."
Astbury was taken at No.35 in the 2009 NAB AFL Draft. He's since played 22 matches, mostly as a key defender.
In round three last year, Astbury and Dylan Grimes had massive jobs when, in the absence of more experienced defenders, they tried to nullify Hawthorn duo Jarryd Roughead and Lance Franklin.
It was like a rite of passage for the Richmond duo, who concentrated on spoiling at every contest. Franklin kicked five on Grimes and Roughead kicked three on Astbury.
Astbury played against Collingwood the next week before spending six weeks in the VFL. The match against the Swans marked his return to the senior team.
The talented defender said the lowest point during his period of rehabilitation was the day he was told he needed a second operation.
The best news had been his improvement over the past fortnight.
For the first time he can see a life beyond doing endless laps with fellow key defender Kelvin Moore, who's nursing a long-term hip injury.
Off the field, he's worked with assistant coaches Wayne Campbell and Blair Hartley on match analysis and list management.
"They've helped me redirect my energy," Astbury said.
He's also been able to devote more time to his studies. He, along with Tigers ruckman Andrew Browne, is doing civil engineering and commerce at RMIT.
Astbury said he had learned plenty about himself in recent months. "I've learned that I'm pretty resilient," he said.
He's also impatient, as shown by his habit of pestering staff to let him fast-track his recovery.
The next test of his patience will come next Thursday when Richmond hosts Carlton in the opening round of the premiership season.
Astbury will be sitting in a stand in a club-issued suit, wondering just when he can return to the team — while acknowledging the difficulty of his task.
"It's a lot harder to get a game than when I first got here, which is healthy," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/131134/default.aspx
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So he had a reco?
He had a reconstruction and an arthroscope only to suffer further soreness in mid-November.
I thought it was just a knee cap dislocation.
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So he had a reco?
He had a reconstruction and an arthroscope only to suffer further soreness in mid-November.
I thought it was just a knee cap dislocation.
Yeah, but the dislocation can (usually?) cause damage to the whole knee structure.
Can damage all parts of the knee including cartledge, tendons, ligaments, muscle and even bone.
The most vivid demonstration of the effect of the damage that may be caused is the sight of Cresswell bashing his kneecap back into place.
The tendons and ligaments had been stretched to such an extent by dislocation that it was in danger of dislocating more easily and also being more easily pushed back into place.
The problems with Griffith's shoulders are another example where the surgeons have to go in to "tighten" the joint.
Think this "tightening" is what has happened initially with David and then they had to go in again to clean out the crap with another arthroscope.
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A setback for Dave. Quad soreness so he won't be playing for Coburg ressies today :(
David Astbury @dastbury12 twitter:
"Disappointed I'm not back on the park this week due to quad soreness. Medical staff don't think it's worth risking at this stage #gutted"
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better safe than sorry
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needs miles in the legs
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With miller inability to kick 40m astbury might be in with a show soon.
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With miller inability to kick 40m astbury might be in with a show soon.
Come on, ffs, at least he is presenting and contesting and he has two. Get off his back.
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He is right. Miller would be a good player if he could kick and take contested marks, but he can't.
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He is right. Miller would be a good player if he could kick and take contested marks, but he can't.
Do you want to give his two goals back Edwards can kick for poo.....
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He is right. Miller would be a good player if he could kick and take contested marks, but he can't.
Do you want to give his two goals back Edwards can kick for poo.....
if it were Astbury or Post kicking those shots they'd both have 4 goals. Missing those goals are unacceptable. It's not Brads fault he's a dud. He gives his all but he just can't kick.
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He is right. Miller would be a good player if he could kick and take contested marks, but he can't.
Do you want to give his two goals back Edwards can kick for poo.....
if it were Astbury or Post kicking those shots they'd both have 4 goals. Missing those goals are unacceptable. It's not Brads fault he's a dud. He gives his all but he just can't kick.
I don't thick he is hitting it right, if he is, play him closer to goal...square....10 out.. :lol
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David Astbury @dastbury12 twitter:
"Glad to get the first one out of the way! Body felt good and enjoyed getting my hands in the footy again. Thanks for the support #longroad"
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David Astbury's first steps after knee injury
Jonno Nash
From: Herald Sun
May 21, 2012
PROMISING Richmond utility David Astbury made an encouraging return from a serious knee injury in VFL affiliate Coburg's development side yesterday.
The 21-year-old spent almost 12 months on the sidelines after dislocating his patella and suffering extensive medial ligament damage in the Tigers' Round 12 clash against Sydney last season.
Astbury, who was bestowed with Tiger great Matthew Richardson's No.12 guernsey last year, had two surgeries to repair the injured joint.
"I guess without being in too many testing situations the knee felt strong and didn't hinder me at any point," said Astbury of his performance in his side's 14-point loss to Williamstown.
"Now it's about building up my game time and form in the VFL seniors and hopefully my AFL return isn't too far away."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/david-astburys-first-steps-after-knee-injury/story-e6frf9jf-1226361535723
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good news
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AFL: Astbury working his way back from injury
BY MELANIE WHELAN
Ballarat Courier
24 May, 2012
AT A GLANCE
David Astbury, 21
Richmond
Recruited from North Ballarat Rebels/Tatyoon
Games: 22
SLOWLY and steadily, athletic Richmond tall David Astbury has begun to work his way back in the game.
The 21-year-old had his first taste of match-play on Sunday, almost a year after knee surgery to repair damage from a twisted patella.
Astbury made his return in Williamstown where he stepped out in limited game-time for Richmond affiliate Coburg Tigers against Williamstown in the AFL Victoria development league.
Richmond development manager Greg Mellor yesterday wrote, via richmondfc.com.au, it was great to see Astbury in action after such a long absence from the playing field.
"Many of the Richmond players were there to watch their popular teammate play his first game in nearly a year," Mellor said.
"He played through the wing and midfield, during a modified three quarters of game time, just to run around and find the footy."
It is the first step for Astbury, who must still work his way back via the Victorian Football League for Coburg.
But it is a good start.
Astbury took to his personal Twitter account to say he enjoyed the challenge.
"Glad to get the first one out of the way! Body felt good and enjoyed getting my hands in the footy again. Thanks for the support #longroad," Astbury wrote.
A sickening collision with Sydney midfielder Ben McGlynn put Astbury's game on hold.
Astbury was stretchered from the field less than five minutes into the first term of the round 12 clash.
Tigers staff were forced to drive Astbury home to Melbourne amid the nation's aviation crisis with cut flights grounding the playing group in Sydney post-match overnight.
The bulk of the Tigers made their way back in a 10-hour bus ride the next day.
Astbury, from Tatyoon, was drafted to Richmond in the 2009 AFL National Draft from North Ballarat Rebels and impressed for Vic Country in the AFL national under-18 championships the same year.
The versatile tall stamped his mark in an impressive AFL debut in round four, 2010, in which he kicked three goals from seven disposals against Melbourne.
He played in the Tigers' opening four games last season and was moved back to Coburg for some fine-tuning before forcing his way back into the Richmond line-up.
http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/afl-astbury-working-his-way-back-from-injury/2567534.aspx
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David Astbury - Centre Half Forward
:)
:pray
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Thought he went ok last night, did some good work off the ball and contested well. First game back ......pass for mine.
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As a regular reader of this forum, I know that will mean a lot to him ;D
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He got through the game unscathed and kicked a goal. Really anything positive he does in the last few rounds is a bonus confidence wise for him. We can't really judge him until next year after he's had a preseason which he wouldn't have had coming into this year.
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Was never quick, now he looks pedestrian... :-\ hopefully it's just him not adjusting to the tempo after the knee rather than the injury physically slowling him down.... I was a fan when we drafted him, think he's a pretty smart footballer, but at the moment I'm struggling to see him in our side long term.
FF Jack
CHF Vickery
CHB Chaplin
FB Rance
3rd Tall Grimes and even Batchelor plays taller and can punch above his weight.
Slot Griffiths in somewhere too if you can, most likely fwd now. Pretty hard seeing him and Post forcing their way into the side as KPP. Elton is still too young to mention but athletically he has them covered easily and I love the way he attacks the ball. Should we look at trading one of Post and Astbury? If we can get anything for them
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Wouldn't really rate him based off this season's performances, as I feel they played him purely to get games into him.
Needs to make an impact next year and step up a couple to be worthy of that #12. I always felt when they gave that to him and the #4 to Dusty, that Astbury hadn't shown enough to warrant that.
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As a regular reader of this forum, I know that will mean a lot to him ;D
Surely not ;D
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Really needs a good pre season behind him. Wouldn't judge him too much on this season. Clearly can play the game. His goal against Port was good in the circumstances of the game. Hoping he has a good year next year.
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He showed a bit yesterday in patches. I think that with a bit of muscle and experience he will be ok.
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Prepared to give him the benefit of the massive doubt seeing he missed close to 18 months of footy
Because at the moment it clearly shows he's missed close to 18 months of footy
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Give him 2 more years to make it.
If by then he still hasn't, pee him off.
Ruthless Richmond.
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Prepared to give him the benefit of the massive doubt seeing he missed close to 18 months of footy
Because at the moment it clearly shows he's missed close to 18 months of footy
He didn't even miss a year of footy, WP. Got injured in July last year from memory, definitely played a game or two for us in the second half of 2011. He's been back playing for months as well now. Surely he reminds you of #37 with how he goes about his footy?
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He didn't even miss a year of footy, WP. Got injured in July last year from memory, definitely played a game or two for us in the second half of 2011. He's been back playing for months as well now. Surely he reminds you of #37 with how he goes about his footy?
Got injured round 12 last year when he dislocated his kneecap, never will forget being up in Sydney that game and seeing the mess his knee was.
Didn't play for the remainder of 2011 as the dislocation caused major damage to his knee ligaments (including the ACL) so he had a reco.
Didn't start playing again for Coburg until around June maybe July.
So I think it's fair to say he's missed over 12 months of footy and close to 15-16 months of AFL footy
Hence why I am prepared to give him some latitude but yeah the way he is moving at the moment it is certainly #37 like ;D
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I actually reckon he showed a bit. Needs a big pre-season.
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Definitely has the heart. Just doesn't have the legs.....
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There were several times yesterday that he crashed into a contest trying to assert himself.........and a couple of times he did.
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He didn't even miss a year of footy, WP. Got injured in July last year from memory, definitely played a game or two for us in the second half of 2011. He's been back playing for months as well now. Surely he reminds you of #37 with how he goes about his footy?
Got injured round 12 last year when he dislocated his kneecap, never will forget being up in Sydney that game and seeing the mess his knee was.
Didn't play for the remainder of 2011 as the dislocation caused major damage to his knee ligaments (including the ACL) so he had a reco.
Didn't start playing again for Coburg until around June maybe July.
So I think it's fair to say he's missed over 12 months of footy and close to 15-16 months of AFL footy
Hence why I am prepared to give him some latitude but yeah the way he is moving at the moment it is certainly #37 like ;D
Returned via the 3rds in May. ;D but certainly has missed a lot of AFL footy. Was better yesterday than last week.
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Returned via the 3rds in May. ;D but certainly has missed a lot of AFL footy. Was better yesterday than last week.
The 3rds? Isn't that a bit like playing kick to kick at the local park Coach :thumbsup ;D
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Returned via the 3rds in May. ;D but certainly has missed a lot of AFL footy. Was better yesterday than last week.
The 3rds? Isn't that a bit like playing kick to kick at the local park Coach :thumbsup ;D
Might have to ask Posty next year ;D
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VIDEO: Astbury on pre-season:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2012-12-24/astbury-on-preseason
Astbury leaves injury behind
By Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Monday, December 24, 2012
Versatile Richmond tall David Astbury is confident he is over a series of injuries which have cruelled the early part of his career.
The 21-year-old has been luckless through injury in the last two seasons, but has not missed a beat in the Tigers’ 2013 pre-season so far.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2012-12-24/astbury-leaves-injury-behind
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I expect king Davis to start CHF for the burgers
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Will not make it
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
So what? He's shown absolutely nothing.
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
So what? He's shown absolutely nothing.
FFS, He hasn't had the opportunity yet!,
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
So what? He's shown absolutely nothing.
FFS, He hasn't had the opportunity yet!,
Mark my words will be delisted
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
So what? He's shown absolutely nothing.
FFS, He hasn't had the opportunity yet!,
Mark my words will be delisted
Marked...thanks!
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
So what? He's shown absolutely nothing.
FFS, He hasn't had the opportunity yet!,
Mark my words will be delisted
Marked...thanks!
Good boy
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:lol
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
So what? He's shown absolutely nothing.
so lets look at the big picture and ask. are there good reasons why hes shown little to date?
remember most talls dont even get close to their full potential at 24.
yes theres been no incremental improvement as hes gone but thats hard to achieve when you have as many injuries as this bloke has had. these kids may put on size as they go that does not mean core strength that usually takes a fair while.
he should be developing at coburg hopefully at chf and with time on his hands. we should be patient and lower our expectations on these kids especially those who have had a lot of injury.
major concern for me with this kid is his pace and hes not done a lot in the air ie taking contested marks to date. for me improvement in these areas are the goal.
i would have thought given all the circumstances astbury is safe this yr even if its a poor yr. if hes where he is now at the end of 2014 well then maybe we need to look at cutting him.
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Rubbish.
Before.injury astbury.was.epic.
Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
So what? He's shown absolutely nothing.
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
So what? He's shown absolutely nothing.
FFS, He hasn't had the opportunity yet!,
Mark my words will be delisted
This will make or break the great Mrakski. I salute his bravery in the face of the bigot who gave Edwards less of a chance :clapping
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Will not make it
Crap, give him a go.....
How much longer should we keep him? Reckon there's a chance he'll be delisted at the end of 2013 possibly 2014.
He is 21.....
So what? He's shown absolutely nothing.
FFS, He hasn't had the opportunity yet!,
Mark my words will be delisted
This will make or break the great Mrakski. I salute his bravery in the face of the bigot who gave Edwards less of a chance :clapping
It will make me coz he's gawn
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Kid will be a gun :shh
Didn't get the 12 guernsey for his sense of humor
Makrov has had too much crackov :shh :rollin
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Kid will be a gun :shh
Didn't get the 12 guernsey for his sense of humor
Makrov has had too much crackov :shh :rollin
Vbkov
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Lol I can relate to that ov :shh
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Lol I can relate to that ov :shh
:shh
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Would solve a lot of dilemmas if he can come good.
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Would solve a lot of dilemmas if he can come good.
Would create some :shh
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Bet a slab he won't make it today
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Bet a slab he won't make it today
Love your positivity! :clapping
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Bet a slab he won't make it today
Love your positivity! :clapping
It's all in good fun
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Will not make it
Totally agree with Mrakov, will not make it.
By far the worst player on our list.
In most cases injuries are the worst thing that can happen to a young player, in Davids case it's been the best. Given him an extra year or two on our list.
If Posty got delisted than Astbury hasn't got a chance! At least Post had one good aspect to his game, his marking, David does not have anything in his game that is AFL standard. And for the record i didn't rate Post either.
It's sounds harsh from me but happy to put my name to it..... Time will tell.
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Will not make it
Totally agree with Mrakov, will not make it.
By far the worst player on our list.
In most cases injuries are the worst thing that can happen to a young player, in Davids case it's been the best. Given him an extra year or two on our list.
If Posty got delisted than Astbury hasn't got a chance! At least Post had one good aspect to his game, his marking, David does not have anything in his game that is AFL standard. And for the record i didn't rate Post either.
It's sounds harsh from me but happy to put my name to it..... Time will tell.
The big Toneski :clapping
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Astbury felt game was getting past him
Brent Diamond
Football Nation
Jan 7. 2013 4:03 pm
PROMISING Richmond defender David Astbury admits this pre-season has been “enormous” for him after finally going through his paces during pre-season injury-free.
Astbury said that he felt “the game had gears that I didn’t” at the end of last season, after having a taste of AFL footy playing the final couple of matches of the season.
“It’s been hard work but it’s my first one so far since being at the footy club, it’s definitely challenging but yeah I’m really enjoying it. I’m getting some training under my belt which I haven’t had in the past,” Astbury said.
“I suppose when you come out of rehab and you’re ready to go like I was last year to play a couple of games in the VFL, I felt fit and I felt like I was going Ok then once I stepped up to the AFL in the last couple of rounds, I just realised where I was at and how much work I had to do. I still felt like the game had gears that I didn’t so this pre-season has been enormous for me,” he said.
He said he was confident that he was over his knee problems in which he suffered from a dislocated kneecap before making his way back through the VFL ranks last season.
“Yeah I am. The last two months has been a huge progression for me, obviously the last couple of years I’ve had a few struggles with injuries particularly my knee. I’m looking forward to putting that behind me and continuing my pre-season and being fit for the season which would be nice.”
“It was really tough. Luckily I had Kel Moore at the time to get through session after session with but it is I suppose a pretty tough time and you can feel quite lonely in there but it does test you and hopefully it’s going to improve me long term,” he told Richmond’s website.
“I chipped away for probably six or seven weeks in the VFL. I hadn’t played footy for 12 months, I struggled . I think they were important to me to realise where I wanted to get to. I’ll be happy to get into the AFL side but still realise that I have a lot of work to do,” he said.
He said that he was hoping to prove “some value” on Richmond’s list this season.
“I just hope that being versatile is going to help me get more games. Probably at the minute, I’m training a little bit at both ends. I’m not really sure what Dimma (Damian Hardwick) has planned for me for the season. I just hope to get some game time and prove some value,” he said.
http://www.footballnation.com.au/afl/afl-clubs/astbury-felt-game-was-getting-past-him/
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Am I missing something here?
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Am I missing something here?
Probably
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Am I missing something here?
Clearly :wallywink
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Don't think he has the tools. Will be gone in 2-3 seasons. I make the big calls and I'm happy to cop it if I'm wrong.
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Don't think he has the tools. Will be gone in 2-3 seasons. I make the big calls and I'm happy to cop it if I'm wrong.
I think you were hanging it on Tucky year before last...or am I wrong??
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Don't think he has the tools. Will be gone in 2-3 seasons. I make the big calls and I'm happy to cop it if I'm wrong.
I think you were hanging it on Tucky year before last...or am I wrong??
Nah I've never said anything bad about Tucky
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Don't think he has the tools. Will be gone in 2-3 seasons. I make the big calls and I'm happy to cop it if I'm wrong.
I think you were hanging it on Tucky year before last...or am I wrong??
Nah I've never said anything bad about Tucky
Utmost apologies, lets see have Astbury goes, if he had as much mongrel in him as Jake then maybe he will be up to it. We can only hope for the best...In RFC we trust??
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Don't think he has the tools. Will be gone in 2-3 seasons. I make the big calls and I'm happy to cop it if I'm wrong.
I think you were hanging it on Tucky year before last...or am I wrong??
Nah I've never said anything bad about Tucky
Utmost apologies, lets see have Astbury goes, if he had as much mongrel in him as Jake then maybe he will be up to it. We can only hope for the best...In RFC we trust??
Correct
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Kid will be a gun :shh
Didn't get the 12 guernsey for his sense of humor
Makrov has had too much crackov :shh :rollin
hasnt really shown anything to suggest he will be a gun. yet again he hasnt really had a chance to show what hes got.
we seem to have two comments at opposite ends of the scale
. yours and mrakovs. hopefully the truth lies somewhere in between.
what i dont get is ben griffiths has not done any more than astbury and hes lauded as a champion by most.
i think we all need to remember that in the overall scheme of things these two are still babys in footy speak. i reckon we all need to temper our expectations and critiques until they have had a decent opportunity to show one way or the other what they can do.
imo with our talls in particular we are far too impatient. i also think when they do show a good glimpse of what may be we are far to ready to start calling them guns.
i suppose all im saying is give em time and let them prove themselves before we call for heads or put them up where they are not.
do we judge and cut the bloke based on 2011 and 2012 of course not injuries cruelled him.
do we call him a gun on the back of 2010 his first yr of course not. he played 17 games a very good return for a first yr tall, many of which were terrible as was to be expected.. he also played some pretty decent games amongst it showing some good glimpses of what may come.
i would be real happy if astbury played at coburg most of the yr and really started to dominate at that level. i really hope now hes over injury he can improve areas of his game that need work as well.
finally on where he plays. to me one of astbury or griffiths if not both must play and be developed as a forward .the list is screaming out for it. imo both are natural forwards.
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Too slow, shame bc he has a good footy brain.
Oh and claw, what's with the melodramatic, please show me one post just one where somebody has called Griff a champion. stuff me
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Have high hopes for him . He is a good mark and an accurate kick. Needs an injury free season to progress.
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Griffin was a boss in hawthorn game
Kid will be a gun :shh
Didn't get the 12 guernsey for his sense of humor
Makrov has had too much crackov :shh :rollin
hasnt really shown anything to suggest he will be a gun. yet again he hasnt really had a chance to show what hes got.
we seem to have two comments at opposite ends of the scale
. yours and mrakovs. hopefully the truth lies somewhere in between.
what i dont get is ben griffiths has not done any more than astbury and hes lauded as a champion by most.
i think we all need to remember that in the overall scheme of things these two are still babys in footy speak. i reckon we all need to temper our expectations and critiques until they have had a decent opportunity to show one way or the other what they can do.
imo with our talls in particular we are far too impatient. i also think when they do show a good glimpse of what may be we are far to ready to start calling them guns.
i suppose all im saying is give em time and let them prove themselves before we call for heads or put them up where they are not.
do we judge and cut the bloke based on 2011 and 2012 of course not injuries cruelled him.
do we call him a gun on the back of 2010 his first yr of course not. he played 17 games a very good return for a first yr tall, many of which were terrible as was to be expected.. he also played some pretty decent games amongst it showing some good glimpses of what may come.
i would be real happy if astbury played at coburg most of the yr and really started to dominate at that level. i really hope now hes over injury he can improve areas of his game that need work as well.
finally on where he plays. to me one of astbury or griffiths if not both must play and be developed as a forward .the list is screaming out for it. imo both are natural forwards.
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Too slow, shame bc he has a good footy brain.
good footy brain WTF, are you taking the pee or have you been overdosing on highlight reels again
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Too slow, shame bc he has a good footy brain.
good footy brain WTF, are you taking the pee or have you been overdosing on highlight reels again
Hes a smart player peanut, its unbelievable just how much of a nuffer you really are. nfi.... Im actually embarrassed for you :-[
edit: Ive noticed you never give your own POV on anything to do with footy on this forum, its always dumb trolling or a peepoor attempt at witty sarcasm, never a contribution of your own thoughts to a footy discussion. Pretty easy and sad just sitting there taking potshots bc your pride was wounded back at the GWS game. You are pathetic with even worse comprehension skills
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Too slow, shame bc he has a good footy brain.
good footy brain WTF, are you taking the pee or have you been overdosing on highlight reels again
Hes a smart player peanut, its unbelievable just how much of a nuffer you really are. nfi.... Im actually embarrassed for you :-[
edit: Ive noticed you never give your own POV on anything to do with footy on this forum, its always dumb trolling or a peepoor attempt at witty sarcasm, never a contribution of your own thoughts to a footy discussion. Pretty easy and sad just sitting there taking potshots bc your pride was wounded back at the GWS game. You are pathetic with even worse comprehension skills
Aaaw thats not true I like Jack Riewoldt, whats your view of him?
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Too slow, shame bc he has a good footy brain.
good footy brain WTF, are you taking the pee or have you been overdosing on highlight reels again
Hes a smart player peanut, its unbelievable just how much of a nuffer you really are. nfi.... Im actually embarrassed for you :-[
edit: Ive noticed you never give your own POV on anything to do with footy on this forum, its always dumb trolling or a peepoor attempt at witty sarcasm, never a contribution of your own thoughts to a footy discussion. Pretty easy and sad just sitting there taking potshots bc your pride was wounded back at the GWS game. You are pathetic with even worse comprehension skills
Aaaw thats not true I like Jack Riewoldt, whats your view of him?
That pretty much sums you up
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You have made some of the worst calls of all time, jack and cotch and now astburys good football brain LMAO
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You have made some of the worst calls of all time, jack and cotch and now astburys good football brain LMAO
You can talk flog, didnt you say Jeremy cameron is a hack? You also implied with that pathetic attempted humour of yours that the rfc medical staff somehow weren't to blame for allowing N.Brown to rush back from a horror leg break...
Show me the quotes? talk about over exaggerating and flat out flogging it to try and make somebody look bad. I dont mind a good troll but when someone flat out lies and invents stuff to make someone look bad, thats a pretty low effort.
What call did I make about Cotch? That rubbish gerks said? please.. Show me where I said I think he's poo ffs
What did I say about Jack? That he was playing like a lazy sod in 2012 and that in the GWS game a 10-12 gamer in Cameron showed him up with work ethic and outperformed him that game? wow yeah that was a bad call moron. I've never once had a crack about Jacks talent/ability, his work ethic thats another story, if you are seriously going to tell me there is nothing wrong with leading to pockets and trying to take speccies in pockets then you are even more clueless than I thought. Last season was poor by his standards.
Please say it one more time how you think Astbury does not show he is a smart and thinking footballer. Thats the one thing he has in his favour.
If I make a bad call I'll wear it, nobody is infallible, but I dont appreciate being called out on flat out rubbish, in fact its downright disgusting and weak. Face to face if anybody spoke to me like that I'd ask them to step outside. Check your pm and reply you gutless prick.
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I take it.TM and Chuck won,t be sending each other xmas cards next year? :shh :santa
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
Yeh you can never get anywere arguing with frumpy old gay dudes
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
If Im wrong I wear it, if not, not.
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
Yeh you can never get anywere arguing with frumpy old gay dudes
Once again deflects when hes called out on his lies until in another few months when he'll come out again with the same rubbish. Lowlife scum.
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
Yeh you can never get anywere arguing with frumpy old gay dudes
cmon chuck you have been called out, and the above is all you have.
what i would like to know is why you think he has no footy brain. at lwast give a reason for thinking that. what have you seen that would suggest this. you make a call and then refuse to back it up with any substance. when called out resort to abuse and deflection.
sometimes you have to put up or shut up. you do neither.
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
Yeh you can never get anywere arguing with frumpy old gay dudes
cmon chuck you have been called out, and the above is all you have.
what i would like to know is why you think he has no footy brain. at lwast give a reason for thinking that. what have you seen that would suggest this. you make a call and then refuse to back it up with any substance. when called out resort to abuse and deflection.
sometimes you have to put up or shut up. you do neither.
Dont hold your breath claw, the sum total of his contribution to a footy discussion is "i like Jack Reiwoldt" other than that his mantra is to play the man not the ball.
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
Yeh you can never get anywere arguing with frumpy old gay dudes
cmon chuck you have been called out, and the above is all you have.
what i would like to know is why you think he has no footy brain. at lwast give a reason for thinking that. what have you seen that would suggest this. you make a call and then refuse to back it up with any substance. when called out resort to abuse and deflection.
sometimes you have to put up or shut up. you do neither.
He hasnt played enough and when he has he hasn't got enough of the ball. I couldnt make a call yet whether he has a good footy brain or not or whether he is going to make it or not.
Please dont respond in a boring badly typed essay.
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
Yeh you can never get anywere arguing with frumpy old gay dudes
cmon chuck you have been called out, and the above is all you have.
what i would like to know is why you think he has no footy brain. at lwast give a reason for thinking that. what have you seen that would suggest this. you make a call and then refuse to back it up with any substance. when called out resort to abuse and deflection.
sometimes you have to put up or shut up. you do neither.
He hasnt played enough and when he has he hasn't got enough of the ball. I couldnt make a call yet whether he has a good footy brain or not or whether he is going to make it or not.
Please dont respond in a boring badly typed essay.
You couldnt make a call on whether he has a good footy brain or not, yet you come out saying my call is the worst call of all time... lmao
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My call stands
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My call stands
You must be with Telstra.
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He hasnt played enough and when he has he hasn't got enough of the ball. I couldnt make a call yet whether he has a good footy brain or not or whether he is going to make it or not.
Please dont respond in a boring badly typed essay.
I agree with both points
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My call stands
You must be with Telstra.
I'm with vodafone
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
Yeh you can never get anywere arguing with frumpy old gay dudes
cmon chuck you have been called out, and the above is all you have.
what i would like to know is why you think he has no footy brain. at lwast give a reason for thinking that. what have you seen that would suggest this. you make a call and then refuse to back it up with any substance. when called out resort to abuse and deflection.
sometimes you have to put up or shut up. you do neither.
He hasnt played enough and when he has he hasn't got enough of the ball. I couldnt make a call yet whether he has a good footy brain or not or whether he is going to make it or not.
Please dont respond in a boring badly typed essay.
lol. i suppose one could call that some sort of attempt at substance. so you ridicule a poster and bag the bejeezus out of a player for having no footy smarts, , but then admit you dont know either way or is that dont have the guts to say what you think.. thats pretty pee poor form imo.id say thats a troll if ive ever seen one.
you should try just a little substance in your posts you may not come across as the childish fool you do.
hes played 24 games and had a few 20 possesion games among them. he probably has another half dozen 15 plus possesion games.
i know he sure had plenty of footy smarts as a junior and he seems to read it alright in his short and injury riddled afl career to date.
you got one thing right its not clear yet weather he will make it or not. but that in itself is hardly enlightening now is it.
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
Yeh you can never get anywere arguing with frumpy old gay dudes
cmon chuck you have been called out, and the above is all you have.
what i would like to know is why you think he has no footy brain. at lwast give a reason for thinking that. what have you seen that would suggest this. you make a call and then refuse to back it up with any substance. when called out resort to abuse and deflection.
sometimes you have to put up or shut up. you do neither.
He hasnt played enough and when he has he hasn't got enough of the ball. I couldnt make a call yet whether he has a good footy brain or not or whether he is going to make it or not.
Please dont respond in a boring badly typed essay.
lol. i suppose one could call that some sort of attempt at substance. so you ridicule a poster and bag the bejeezus out of a player for having no footy smarts, , but then admit you dont know either way or is that dont have the guts to say what you think.. thats pretty pee poor form imo.id say thats a troll if ive ever seen one.
you should try just a little substance in your posts you may not come across as the childish fool you do.hes played 24 games and had a few 20 possesion games among them. he probably has another half dozen 15 plus possesion games.
i know he sure had plenty of footy smarts as a junior and he seems to read it alright in his short and injury riddled afl career to date.
you got one thing right its not clear yet weather he will make it or not. but that in itself is hardly enlightening now is it.
:bow :clapping :clapping....post of the month!!!!!
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Chuck I think You might want to let this one go through to the keeper. Tony is always willing to put his point of view forward and he owns it whether he is right or wrong. :thumbsup
Yeh you can never get anywere arguing with frumpy old gay dudes
cmon chuck you have been called out, and the above is all you have.
what i would like to know is why you think he has no footy brain. at lwast give a reason for thinking that. what have you seen that would suggest this. you make a call and then refuse to back it up with any substance. when called out resort to abuse and deflection.
sometimes you have to put up or shut up. you do neither.
He hasnt played enough and when he has he hasn't got enough of the ball. I couldnt make a call yet whether he has a good footy brain or not or whether he is going to make it or not.
Please dont respond in a boring badly typed essay.
lol. i suppose one could call that some sort of attempt at substance. so you ridicule a poster and bag the bejeezus out of a player for having no footy smarts, , but then admit you dont know either way or is that dont have the guts to say what you think.. thats pretty pee poor form imo.id say thats a troll if ive ever seen one.
you should try just a little substance in your posts you may not come across as the childish fool you do.hes played 24 games and had a few 20 possesion games among them. he probably has another half dozen 15 plus possesion games.
i know he sure had plenty of footy smarts as a junior and he seems to read it alright in his short and injury riddled afl career to date.
you got one thing right its not clear yet weather he will make it or not. but that in itself is hardly enlightening now is it.
:bow :clapping :clapping....post of the month!!!!!
Is that substance abuse?
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If I was abusing substances I would probably think I was some sort of internet crtique of the RFC and post really effn boring crap about list structure all the time.
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If I was abusing substances I would probably think I was some sort of internet crtique of the RFC and post really effn boring crap about list structure all the time.
:lol :cheers
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If I was abusing substances I would probably think I was some sort of internet crtique of the RFC and post really effn boring crap about list structure all the time.
:lol :cheers
not only als bum buddy but chuckys as well. you sure get around.
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If I was abusing substances I would probably think I was some sort of internet crtique of the RFC and post really effn boring crap about list structure all the time.
what you dont abuse substances well eff me, here i was thinking only someone out of his mind could post the crap you do.
i know your a computer nerd who has nfi and joins in to feel important. . hmm i think id rather be the boring one.
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not only als bum buddy but chuckys as well. you sure get around.
if you learned to kiss properly and weren't so selfish in the bedroom maybe we'd let you join in and then you wouldn't have to feel left out and be so down on the world
:-* :cuddles
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Al....keep going love to hear amorous chat prior to bed time..lol
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Bengal opens the Astbury post starts reading and quickly heads out hoping no-one saw him... :whistle
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:lol
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not only als bum buddy but chuckys as well. you sure get around.
if you learned to kiss properly and weren't so selfish in the bedroom maybe we'd let you join in and then you wouldn't have to feel left out and be so down on the world
:-* :cuddles
what i just posted wasnt allowed unfortunately. al hey thanks but no thanks but hey each to his own. . some of us just dont need to feel like they belong.
if you feel you need to bend to fit in so be it.
chucky dweebo and al not a pretty sight.
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The next Post is Astbury :shh
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The next Post is Astbury :shh
Maybe. Doesn't panic when the sweat isn't wicking away like Posty, and can hit a target. He's got an interesting year ahead of him.
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The next Post is Astbury :shh
Maybe. Doesn't panic when the sweat isn't wicking away like Posty, and can hit a target. He's got an interesting year ahead of him.
Was too drunk to remember any of his handful of games
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My call stands
What do you think about Crusoe the Water Horses chances of making it. Personally cant see him being any good in September when the grounds are a bit drier.
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Tony/Chuck debate - What a nasty exchange.
I love both posters. Chuck and I were good mates back in the day (we still are) and believe it or not, he was a good poster too. Sadly all we get out of him these days is Jack Riewoldt nut hugging and pee taking the angry Richmond fans. Tony is a brilliant poster and his views are often spot on. Riewoldt was a lazy gimp in a number of games last year and Jezza Cameron was playing quality footy for GWS. But young Chucky can't stand criticism of Rooboy ;D
To do a mrakov, inb4 "FFS Riewoldt should be kicking 150 goals a season" sarcastic comment
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Good summary and analysis CD
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Welcome back Coach :clapping we've been holding down the fort.
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Welcome back Coach :clapping we've been holding down the fort.
:clapping
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Crikey poo gets weird in here in the off-season. Good weird.
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Astbury ready for a big year at Tiger land
Ararat Advertiser
Feb. 1, 2013, midnight
TATYOON - David Astbury feels as though he is finally over a series of injuries that hampered his third season in the AFL and is ready for a big year ahead.
The Tatyoon export battled consistent setbacks during the 2012 season as he worked to comeback from a serious knee injury.
Astbury managed a recall into the Richmond lineup for the final two matches of the season against Port Adelaide and Essendon, but the 21-year-old said it was a long and at times frustrating journey.
"Basically what happen was when we began to build up my workload coming out of rehab I started to realise a few asymmetrics there - things weren't quite even on both sides - and I ended up getting a few soft tissue injuries come out of that," he said.
"I didn't get back into the VFL until round 12 of the AFL season, but then had an injury in my hip flexor that kept me out for a week or two and when I got back I suffered a hamstring strain which sidelined me for a few more weeks.
"It was a really slow road back, very frustrating at times, but that was something that was always going to come out of recovering from such a serious injury. I feel great now and I've grown into my body a bit more."
Despite the pain and punishment that comes with being an AFL player, during the summer Astbury is relishing his first full pre-season campaign.
He said the entire playing group hit the ground running when training resumed on November 1, with the list put through a number of tough cardio sessions.
"From day dot it was all pretty intense. We had had a few changes in our fitness department and so they were all keen to get going, so we were straight into it," he said.
"For about a month we did some really solid training in Melbourne and then in late November/early December we had a nine-day camp in Cairns which was all about heat acclimatisation. That was an experience, with the heat and humidity it was really tough going.
"We've come back now (from the Christmas/New Year break) and everyone is raring to go."
When Astbury finally made his way back into the Tigers' senior side in round 23 he was used as a floating player in both defence and as a tall forward.
The Richmond coaching panel are happy for the number 12 to find his niche at either end of the ground, and are focusing on improving specific elements of the versatile player's game.
"I have sat down with Damien (Hardwick) a couple of times during the pre-season and to be honest neither of us really know what area I am better suited to," Astbury said.
"So I am training at either end at the moment and really enjoying it, hopefully I find my spot in the NAB Cup and impress enough to get back into the senior side and be able to enjoy a big season in 2013.
"I haven't set too many goals just yet, I'm pretty much just trying to get on top of my body and get my head around pre-season training.
"I am just looking at getting through each session and I've been doing a lot of one on one work with Justin Leppitsch who is our defensive coordinator. We have been focusing on a lot of overhead stuff and it is going really well."
Plenty of faith has been shown in Astbury down at Tiger land during the early part of his career and in October he repaid that faith by signing a two-year contract extension.
Richmond football manager Craig Cameron said at the time of the announcement that he was very pleased to see the key-position prospect re-commit to the club.
"He is highly regarded, not only for his football ability, but also his excellent character," Cameron said.
"We expect him to come on in leaps and bounds throughout 2013."
The first focus for Astbury is the NAB Cup, which for Richmond kicks off with a double header against Melbourne and North Melbourne on February 22.
"The NAB Cup is just around the corner now and I am expecting to get some good minutes in those games and hopefully stake my claim for an early call up at the start of the season," Astbury said.
"We've got a game against the Indigenous All-Stars on February 8 in Alice Springs which will be a good lead in to the NAB Cup for us.
"I am really looking forward to getting up there for that and playing against some of the country's most talented indigenous players."
Much has been said in the media about Richmond following a busy AFL trading period which saw it select a number of mature age recruits.
Astbury said with new faces at the club, including Troy Chaplin, Aaron Edwards and Chris Knights, things look on the rise this year.
"The first thing I have noticed when training with more mature aged blokes is how competitive it is, even at training," he said.
"Everyone is vying for a spot and not many guys are certain starters this time around. A few years ago we probably had more of a set team which was fairly similar each week, but with the new guys coming in it is more competitive and that is a really good thing.
"There is a lot of expectation on the NAB Cup to secure spots come the start of the season, I think it's great for the club.
"The new blokes have all fitted in really well and we are going into this year feeling pretty optimistic about our chances."
http://www.araratadvertiser.com.au/story/1271137/astbury-ready-for-a-big-year-at-tiger-land/?cs=1642
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I'm not holding my breath. Don't have a lot of confidence in Astbury.
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Astbury for all his leadership and strong character is up against it to make the grade
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In a perfect world.he will blitz in and install.a astbury-grimes-rance. Backline that will reign for a decade.
Thus relegated Chaplin for the twos
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In a perfect world you don't have a guy in the reserves on a 4 year contract. Unless it's Daniel Jackson
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lol
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In a perfect world you don't have a guy in the reserves on a 4 year contract. Unless it's Daniel Jackson
:rollin
But we don't live in an ideal world, we live in a world where he is our best option for the time being,
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Probably need to turn this into the greatly qualities of David Astbury thread, so far;
- he is a good leader
- has good character
- has a good football brain
Any others ?
Sounds like the perfect footballer if only he good get his hands on the pill.
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Probably need to turn this into the greatly qualities of David Astbury thread, so far;
- he is a good leader
- has good character
- has a good football brain
Any others ?
Sounds like the perfect footballer if only he good get his hands on the pill.
how about we turn it into the comparison thread with other tiger talls.
lets see he certainly gets more ball than griffiths to date and just as much as vickery maybe we should cut them as well.
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who said anything about cutting him? :huh
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who said anything about cutting him? :huh
I just re-read my post and i didn't, in fact if iirc I have said in past posts I haven't seen enough of him to make a call yet
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Probably need to turn this into the greatly qualities of David Astbury thread, so far;
- he is a good leader
- has good character
- has a good football brain
Any others ?
Sounds like the perfect footballer if only he good get his hands on the pill.
how about we turn it into the comparison thread with other tiger talls.
lets see he certainly gets more ball than griffiths to date and just as much as vickery maybe we should cut them as well.
So Claw, Are you suggesting that Astbury is better than both Vickery and/or Griffiths?
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Claw can you prove he gets more ball than griff and Ty?...because if thats so I have way underestimated him
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Probably need to turn this into the greatly qualities of David Astbury thread, so far;
- he is a good leader
- has good character
- has a good football brain
Any others ?
Sounds like the perfect footballer if only he good get his hands on the pill.
One of best kicks / draft camp
*I think
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Probably need to turn this into the greatly qualities of David Astbury thread, so far;
- he is a good leader
- has good character
- has a good football brain
Any others ?
Sounds like the perfect footballer if only he good get his hands on the pill.
One of best kicks / draft camp
*I think
You made that up didn't you? Meh, good enough for me. :D
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Hey did Astbury play in any of our games, I have them taped, will watch them when I am home Wednesday??
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Hey did Astbury play in any of our games, I have them taped, will watch them when I am home Wednesday??
Yep the first one against the Dees; played down back
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Hey did Astbury play in any of our games, I have them taped, will watch them when I am home Wednesday??
Yep the first one against the Dees; played down back
Cheers, how did he go?
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Hey did Astbury play in any of our games, I have them taped, will watch them when I am home Wednesday??
Yep the first one against the Dees; played down back
Cheers, how did he go?
Ok, nothing special but he moved well which was a good sign.
But if they were picking round 1 after Friday night, he wouldn't get picked
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Hey did Astbury play in any of our games, I have them taped, will watch them when I am home Wednesday??
Yep the first one against the Dees; played down back
Cheers, how did he go?
Ok, nothing special but he moved well which was a good sign.
But if they were picking round 1 after Friday night, he wouldn't get picked
He held Hogan to no stats.
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Hey did Astbury play in any of our games, I have them taped, will watch them when I am home Wednesday??
Yep the first one against the Dees; played down back
Cheers, how did he go?
Ok, nothing special but he moved well which was a good sign.
But if they were picking round 1 after Friday night, he wouldn't get picked
He held Hogan to no stats.
Yeah true but he just didnt seem to get involved. Will be interesting to see how he goes in the next couple of rounds
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After watching his game again tonight I thought he did really well, however, his big test this year will be when he comes up against more seasoned bodies.
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I think davids biggest problem is his lack of pace.he seemed awfully slow to me Friday night
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Didnt really notice him, not necessarily bad as a key defender, but not good. Noticed Jackson take a nice strong grab, only for him to kick it down the throat of a north player hahaha
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Is he OK?
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Is he OK?
No mention of any injuries to us in the match reports so far. Hopefully it was nothing much (a rolled ankle?) and we just took him off as a precaution.
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Think he is struggling atm.
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Didnt really notice him, not necessarily bad as a key defender, but not good. Noticed Jackson take a nice strong grab, only for him to kick it down the throat of a north player hahaha
Didn't really notice Hurley either. :shh
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Hardwick after the game praised Astbury for his job on Hurley. Dimma also said there were no injuries from the game so Dave's ankle must be okay.
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Didnt really notice him, not necessarily bad as a key defender, but not good. Noticed Jackson take a nice strong grab, only for him to kick it down the throat of a north player hahaha
Didn't really notice Hurley either. :shh
Look, I'm hardly a prude. Hurls will be back. It's March
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How was his defensive work yesterday?
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Acoording to Dimma he beat Hurley......cant beat straight from the coaches mouth
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How was his defensive work yesterday?
Didn't really have a presence, did what he had to but wasn't noticeable.
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Didnt really notice him, not necessarily bad as a key defender, but not good. Noticed Jackson take a nice strong grab, only for him to kick it down the throat of a north player hahaha
Didn't really notice Hurley either. :shh
Look, I'm hardly a prude. Hurls will be back. It's March
Honestly, probably where he belongs. Would love him at CHB would be a gun. He's an average forward. Hope the Bummers leave him there. :pray
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To be prudish I would say it appeared Hurley was well padded
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To be prudish I would say it appeared Hurley was well padded
When doesn't he?
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To be prudish I would say it appeared Hurley was well padded
When doesn't he?
True
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Didnt really notice him, not necessarily bad as a key defender, but not good. Noticed Jackson take a nice strong grab, only for him to kick it down the throat of a north player hahaha
Didn't really notice Hurley either. :shh
That post was for the other game :shh
But thats my point about it not being bad. If you dont notice a shut down defender usually that means the forward they're playing on isnt noticed either, so he was doing his job
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Astbury advances
By richmondfc.com.au
Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Talented Tiger key-position prospect David Astbury took another important step on the comeback trail in Wangaratta last weekend.
Astbury was assigned the daunting task of curbing Essendon's star key forward Michael Hurley, when Richmond took on the Bombers in a round two clash of the AFL's pre-season competition.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-03-05/astbury-advances
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Didn't have to do much to stop Hurls. Just left a bucket of hot chips in the pocket and put his feet up.
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Didnt really notice him, not necessarily bad as a key defender, but not good. Noticed Jackson take a nice strong grab, only for him to kick it down the throat of a north player hahaha
Didn't really notice Hurley either. :shh
That post was for the other game :shh
But thats my point about it not being bad. If you dont notice a shut down defender usually that means the forward they're playing on isnt noticed either, so he was doing his job
Lol should have checked the date. :banghead
But agree he's been good at shutting down his man last couple of games.
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Didn't have to do much to stop Hurls. Just left a bucket of hot chips in the pocket and put his feet up.
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001162223/wonder_woman_xlarge.gif)
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Didn't have to do much to stop Hurls. Just left a bucket of hot chips in the pocket and put his feet up.
Go post that on bummerblitz :lol :lol
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Tiger Astbury cools his heels a little longer
March 6, 2013
Emma Quayle
David Astbury's comeback from a knee injury has been halted by a foot injury, which will keep the young defender out of the rest of Richmond's pre-season.
Astbury was one of his team's best players in the match against Essendon on Saturday in Wangaratta but discovered on Tuesday that he has a stress reaction in his left foot and will need to wear a moon boot for the next few weeks.
The 22-year-old was nearing the end of his first full pre-season since being drafted by Richmond in 2009, having spent more than a year working to overcome a serious knee problem.
He is hopeful he will need to spend just a week or two in the boot before continuing his comeback, having identified the problem reasonably early, but the setback will mean he most likely will miss out on a spot in the round one side.
''Clearly the selection process for round one is heating up and everyone will be doing their best to cement a spot in that team during the next few weeks,'' Astbury said.
''It's very frustrating that I'll miss the opportunity to do that, but hopefully I'll still be considered and get an opportunity soon.''
Astbury needed two operations to repair a dislocated kneecap and extensive damage to his medial ligament when he was injured five rounds into 2011, after an impressive debut season in 2010.
The defender battled further soft tissue problems before forcing his way into the Tigers' side for the final two games of last season.
Astbury did an excellent job on Essendon's Michael Hurley in Wangaratta, with coach Damien Hardwick optimistic that he could play an important role this season alongside Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes, Troy Chaplin and others.
Like Grimes, who is on his way back from serious hamstring problems, the defender has won his teammates over with his attitude and approach during such a long rehabilitation process. He signed a new two-year contract midway through last year, extending to the end of 2014.
''He's going to take a little bit of time. He did miss a significant amount of footy with the bad injury two years ago but he's only going to get better as the year progresses,'' Hardwick said last Saturday.
''He's still got to move the ball on a little bit faster at times, but we're really pleased with the way he's going.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-astbury-cools-his-heels-a-little-longer-20130305-2fj6b.html#ixzz2MhKarFxI
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:facepalm
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Said it numerous times, not convinced on Astbury. Don't think he was as good as what people are saying on Saturday either. Hopefully he can prove me wrong, will be more than glad to cop my fair whack if he does.
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Said it numerous times, not convinced on Astbury. Don't think he was as good as what people are saying on Saturday either. Hopefully he can prove me wrong, will be more than glad to cop my fair whack if he does.
Ditto.
How long until he takes his training wheels off? Giving him 12 was really premature.
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Said it numerous times, not convinced on Astbury. Don't think he was as good as what people are saying on Saturday either. Hopefully he can prove me wrong, will be more than glad to cop my fair whack if he does.
Ditto.
How long until he takes his training wheels off? Giving him 12 was really premature.
Agreed.
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Wonder how long he will actually be out for?
The club has a good record of not being completely upfront about these things.
I'm tipping round 4 at the earliest??
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Tiger Astbury cools his heels a little longer
March 6, 2013
Emma Quayle
David Astbury's comeback from a knee injury has been halted by a foot injury, which will keep the young defender out of the rest of Richmond's pre-season.
Astbury was one of his team's best players in the match against Essendon on Saturday in Wangaratta but discovered on Tuesday that he has a stress reaction in his left foot and will need to wear a moon boot for the next few weeks.
The 22-year-old was nearing the end of his first full pre-season since being drafted by Richmond in 2009, having spent more than a year working to overcome a serious knee problem.
He is hopeful he will need to spend just a week or two in the boot before continuing his comeback, having identified the problem reasonably early, but the setback will mean he most likely will miss out on a spot in the round one side.
''Clearly the selection process for round one is heating up and everyone will be doing their best to cement a spot in that team during the next few weeks,'' Astbury said.
''It's very frustrating that I'll miss the opportunity to do that, but hopefully I'll still be considered and get an opportunity soon.''
Astbury needed two operations to repair a dislocated kneecap and extensive damage to his medial ligament when he was injured five rounds into 2011, after an impressive debut season in 2010.
The defender battled further soft tissue problems before forcing his way into the Tigers' side for the final two games of last season.
Astbury did an excellent job on Essendon's Michael Hurley in Wangaratta, with coach Damien Hardwick optimistic that he could play an important role this season alongside Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes, Troy Chaplin and others.
Like Grimes, who is on his way back from serious hamstring problems, the defender has won his teammates over with his attitude and approach during such a long rehabilitation process. He signed a new two-year contract midway through last year, extending to the end of 2014.
''He's going to take a little bit of time. He did miss a significant amount of footy with the bad injury two years ago but he's only going to get better as the year progresses,'' Hardwick said last Saturday.
''He's still got to move the ball on a little bit faster at times, but we're really pleased with the way he's going.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-astbury-cools-his-heels-a-little-longer-20130305-2fj6b.html#ixzz2MhKarFxI
Club spinning it to sound less serious? Sounds like Foleys bruised heel :sleep
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Article about it on the RFC website:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-03-06/minor-setback-for-astbury
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Kids got some poo luck
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Kids got some poo luck
It's not bad luck, the kid is built like quentin. Fair dinkum if he sneezed his sternum would snap
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David Astbury ( @dastbury12 ) twitter:
"Shocked by the support I've received today - it's very much appreciated. It's a minor setback compared to my history."
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Hope for a speedy recovery. Hope in line for a recall in first couple of rounds
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I'm sure with his good footy brain he will be back in it quick smart
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Defender David Astbury has also been scheduled to return through the VFL next week after overcoming a pre-season foot complaint.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-04-09/tiger-resilience-grows-mcguane
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Great to see him training. Has he grown?
The boy is still only 22. His flexibility is a good assist for a reserve play. He can cover injury to forwards or defenders.
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David Astbury interview on the RFC website:
* Had 4-5 weeks off now. The injury (foot) is tracking well and he says he'll play this weekend against Williamstown. He'll play 70s mins (3 qtrs) this week and from there up it to full-games.
* Did 95% of the preseason and played 2 NAB games. Then the docs found a stress reaction in foot (2nd metatarsal) after the Wangaratta game . 10 week injury that was cut to 4-5 weeks because they found it and got to it early.
* Was well and truly in selection frame before the injury according to Dimma and coaching stuff. So it was frustrating to get injured but now there's still most of the season left to get back into it.
* As he did most of the preseason, Dave said he only needs one week restricted game-time before getting back into it fully.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-04-10/musashi-medical-update-astbury
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Great to see him training. Has he grown?
The boy is still only 22. His flexibility is a good assist for a reserve play. He can cover injury to forwards or defenders.
hes an ideal size for his height as he was last yr. its not all about the figures though its about maturity and for a better way to say it developing core strength thru maturity.. kids can have the size but lack in a big way the core strength.
not being a smart arse but i dont look upon him as a reserve player but a developing player who we need to step up and take a spot of the likes of vickery and mcguane. but hey thats not likely to happen as they seem hell bent on playing him back no matter what.
most of us harp on about the need for a hit up forward / chf. go and watch this kid as a junior. with the insistence of griffiths playing back surely we need to find key forwards if for no other reason than when injury hits. but the numbers and quality says we really have to develop more key forwards.
break it down and look at it from purely a list perspective.
tall defenders or those regularly being played and groomed there.
griffiths, darrou, mcintosh, rance, chaplin, grimes, astbury, not even i can complain about those numbers. simply put theres at the least one too many.
tall forwards or those regularly being developed or played as forwards.
riewoldt, elton. imo these are the only two who are being played developed purely as forwards. and are natural forwards.
then theres the compromised ones or those with genuine questions about what role they will ultimately play.
vickery. supposed to become our first ruck in time and that looks a pipe dream. atm and i repeat ATM his overhead work and aggresion in a contest is miles away.the question remains is he to be our first ruck or a kpp. if hes to be a kpp we need to have other options just in case.
mcguane, okay credit to him. in his two games thus far this yr. thing is a blind man can see the limitations.
derickx im not even sure he should be here but we sure as hell have not developed him as a ruckman. but he aint no forward.
mcbean - he like vickery is supposed to in time become a #1 ruckman instead hes more likely to become a kpp but where ? forward or back.
its a shame when our second best tall forward atm is a very limited mcguane. he at least competes seems we love the few we do have that do this despite a total lack of skills.
the point being made is we have reasonably well established tall defenders in rance grimes chaplin with a few development types in mcintosh and darrou.
we dont have ant decent tall forwards out side of riewoldt and we are only developing for the near future the next yr or two elton. i say agian plain old common sense dictates that we must start developing one of griffiths or astbury as a forward if not both.
when dave astbury is fit enough to play lets develop him as a kpf ffs.
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There is limited KPF spots in the senior side.
#1 forward
#2 2nd ruck.
#3 third tall.
Reiwoldt is one is the first name of the team sheet. Vickery and mcgaune with the following waiting in the wings; Griffiths.Elton. McBean. Astbury is a long way back.
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Dave just can't take a trick. He just comes back and he's injured again. Hyper-extended his knee early in the last qtr of the Coburg game.
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Dave just can't take a trick. He just comes back and he's injured again. Hyper-extended his knee early in the last qtr of the Coburg game.
That's just unreal... :banghead
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Cleary now saying the RFC/CFC docs have told him it's not too bad. So hopefully Dave just jarred it and is okay.
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Lets hope so, this kid has a heap of talent for a tall, just needs a decent run at it :shh
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RICHMOND suffered a blow with young defender David Astbury suffering a leg injury in his comeback match with Coburg on Saturday. But Astbury said it was a hyperextension of the leg and he was confident of playing next week.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hogan-shines-in-vfl-but-dees-will-have-to-wait-20130413-2hsk6.html
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Most hyperextensions I've seen usually just hurt a lot at the start but come the next week there was no sign of it happening. Hopefully his okay :thumbsup
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There is limited KPF spots in the senior side.
#1 forward
#2 2nd ruck.
#3 third tall.
Reiwoldt is one is the first name of the team sheet. Vickery and mcgaune with the following waiting in the wings; Griffiths.Elton. McBean. Astbury is a long way back.
griffiths and astbury are currently being developed in defense at coburg. mcbean is 20kg away from playing kp at afl level and elton is in just yr two. in effect we have no decent replacement tall forward to cover for injury or poor form.
theres is 3 spots at coburg.when we talk development it is not just about the seniors.only mcbean who is yrs away because of size and elton are being developed as forwards.nearly every one tells me neither are close to being ready.
at coburg there is nothing stopping us from going
#1 ff griffiths
#2 chf astbury/elton
#3 for/ruck elton/mcbean/derickx. . imo mcbean should play back he looked a real likely chb in his draft yr.
as i said at least one of griffiths or astbury if not both needs to be developed as a kpf at coburg.we dont do this. they are being developed as defenders. imo one of them griffiths right at this point in time should come in for vickery who continues to be very ordinary.
what happens if riewoldt does a knee who comes in? it should be one of griffiths or astbury they both have 3 or 4 preseasons behind them and they both have afl experience.
but to do this we need to play em in the forward line at coburg and develop them there.
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A.Edwards makes a headache of the situatio. On a windy day with a weakened midfiel, Coburg were far too tall on the weeken.
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A.Edwards makes a headache of the situatio. On a windy day with a weakened midfiel, Coburg were far too tall on the weeken.
reckon the lack of genuine mids on the list was shown up at coburg. imo we can and should go with 8 genuine talls at coburg, 3 back 3 forward 1 ruckman and 1 backup ruckman on the bench.7 is ideal but we need to develop all 8. where we play and develop the talls is the issue. the whole idea of a reserves side is to develop cover and depth FOR ALL POSITIONS IN THE SENIORS.
b verrier - DARROU - batchelor.
hb MCINTOSH - MCBEAN - dea
c nahas - vlastuin - helbig
hf white - ASTBURY - med for edwards/ohanlon. the lack of pace with these two makes it an issue.they need to do lots more at ground level and become more of a running type.
f. ELTON - GRIFFITHS - mcdonough. the last we need to develop as a mid. dont think he can play thru there yet.
r STEPHENSON - lonergan - foley. obviously when foley gets fully fit he will walk straight into the seniors.
int DERICKX - williams - arnot - mid we dont have another genuine one.
clearly at least one of griffiths or astbury should be developed as a forward. In its own way that team is a mirror of tall structure in the seniors. the only difference is the need to play the second ruckman from the bench or even as a sub.
mids to choose from who did not play today against the dogs.
arnot, foley, helbig, lonergan, nahas, vlastuin, white williams. just not enough depth and with foley helbig vlastuin not playing at all and nahas and white with questions about them being mids or forwards it made for real problems at coburg.
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Anyone see the whole Coburg game able to give much on Griffs game? I only caught the second part and he looked pretty disinterested.
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Played fullback! Kicked out and watched a lot go back over his head. particularly in the 2nd half :-\
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A.Edwards makes a headache of the situatio. On a windy day with a weakened midfiel, Coburg were far too tall on the weeken.
reckon the lack of genuine mids on the list was shown up at coburg. imo we can and should go with 8 genuine talls at coburg, 3 back 3 forward 1 ruckman and 1 backup ruckman on the bench.7 is ideal but we need to develop all 8. where we play and develop the talls is the issue. the whole idea of a reserves side is to develop cover and depth FOR ALL POSITIONS IN THE SENIORS.
b verrier - DARROU - batchelor.
hb MCINTOSH - MCBEAN - dea
c nahas - vlastuin - helbig
hf white - ASTBURY - med for edwards/ohanlon. the lack of pace with these two makes it an issue.they need to do lots more at ground level and become more of a running type.
f. ELTON - GRIFFITHS - mcdonough. the last we need to develop as a mid. dont think he can play thru there yet.
r STEPHENSON - lonergan - foley. obviously when foley gets fully fit he will walk straight into the seniors.
int DERICKX - williams - arnot - mid we dont have another genuine one.
clearly at least one of griffiths or astbury should be developed as a forward. In its own way that team is a mirror of tall structure in the seniors. the only difference is the need to play the second ruckman from the bench or even as a sub.
mids to choose from who did not play today against the dogs.
arnot, foley, helbig, lonergan, nahas, vlastuin, white williams. just not enough depth and with foley helbig vlastuin not playing at all and nahas and white with questions about them being mids or forwards it made for real problems at coburg.
I almost agree with you entirely in regards to the development of our young players via the reserves, or rather Coburg for this season.
- I worry about Verrier named in a back pocket as I think his kicking is iffy. Helbig seems to have all the attributes to be a good 'playmaker' Hodge type. But I am equally happy with him on a wing in the middle.
- I would play Astbury in the back line. - hopefully put pressure on Chaplins position in the senior team. Astbury/Mcintosh/Darrou + Helbig/Dea/Bachelor.
- like McBean as a forward. He has kicked 2 goals in a 100 point loss from strong leads and attacking the ball. He kicked four the week before that. He seems very skillful and at training when he is mucking around he does not miss the goals often. Snaps, set shots.
- White is starting to move into my delist pile.
- OHanlon is slow but he seems to have talent.
- I would start both Williams and Arnot in the side for developmental reasoning.
I do agree our list is not finished and needs move midfield options. hopefully big ones with proper pace. Until then in a worst case scenario I am confident the like of Mcintosh and Dea could do a job in a tagging role or on the wing. Young MCdonough played well last week too.
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mcdonough. the last we need to develop as a mid. dont think he can play thru there yet.
What happened to playing players where they played juniors?
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mcdonough. the last we need to develop as a mid. dont think he can play thru there yet.
What happened to playing players where they played juniors?
That only applies where it suits his cynicism. :shh
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So to clarify of claws most excellent point our 21/22 at moment is:
Chaplin. Grimes. Morris.
Houli. Rance. Petterd.
Newman. Cotchin. Knights.
Conca. Tuck. SEdwards.
Vickery. Reiwoldt. McGaune.
Maric. Deledio. Martin.
Jackson. Grigg. King.
Ellis.
If I were in charge I would follow claws ideology of structure and playing people in positions where they should perform at in the senior team eventually. I would play:
Astbury. Darrou. Dea.
Helbig. McIntosh. Bachelor.
Longeran. Foley. Nahas
OHanlon. Mcdonough. Williams.
Griffiths. Elton. McBean.
Orren. Vlastuin. Arnot.
Derickx. White. Verrier. GSimon. AEdwards.
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Anyone see the whole Coburg game able to give much on Griffs game? I only caught the second part and he looked pretty disinterested.
Williamstown player ran into Griffiths and gifted him a tackle. Needs to get more of the ball. Very few players could put up their hand to say they played well that day. Although Astbury had limited time he did some nice things eg took a good grab. Carnell must have the record for being caught holding the ball in the one game. I counted at least 4 times. Next year Coburg are in terrible trouble.
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As mentioned in the gameday thread, Dave has done a hammy. He just can't stay on the park without copping some injury.
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Thought Markovic was a good chance for Arsebury to find some form (if he has any), but couldn't even beat that potato. Dud.
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Yep dissapointing, club either backs him in for more games to see what he can do or back to burgers and question marks at seasons end....
Hope he dan prove em all wrong
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Dimma said Astbury had a tight hamstring (left leg). Doc Larkins said it was sore so we subbed him off and he sat on the bench with ice around the left thigh.
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Wonder if he got it running onto the field at the start
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LOL
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Last thing he needs is to be injured. Needs game time to see whether can make it at this level
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LOL
agree ;D
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Dave needs alot of improvement. He makes Rance look like Royce Hart.
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Wonder if he got it running onto the field at the start
Reckon the doc told the trainer to go stretch out the blonde dudes hammy. Wouldn't take no for an answer when Morris told them they had the wrong bloke
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Astbury will face a fitness test this week, after scans revealed a minor hamstring strain.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-23/tigers-to-monitor-defensive-duo
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Astbury will face a fitness test this week, after scans revealed a minor hamstring strain.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-23/tigers-to-monitor-defensive-duo
Minor, major if he has a strain then he doesn't play, far too risky - end of story
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Will probably strain the other one during the fitness test.
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Time for the Griff to come back for the next block of 4-6 games before he gets injured again.
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He made Markovic look like a superstar
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Still struggles with nerves. Whenever he has the ball and needs to kick it he will always choose the long option rather than pinpoint a pass - this clearly shows me he is fearful of making a mistake which of course means he makes plenty of them. I think he has the natural ability to make it but he is too intelligent for his own good - in other words he over thinks things. he needs to employ the KISS theory (Keep It Simple Stupid) and he will be fine.
Unfortunately for Dave now though, Batch will return and take his spot and then Grimes will return and he will be pushed further back down the priority list. Terrible time for him to injury himself. Hope he doesn't make the mistake of pretending his injury is fine so he can play only to play terribly and lose his spot for the year and possibly beyond.
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Don't know what the stuff you're on about to be honest. Why would you want one of your bigs (who is no better than a reasonable kick) to try and pin point a pass through traffic instead of going for the safe option has me stuffed. If he tries to be too cute then you'd be on here bagging him. As a KPD his job is to stop his opponent. It doesn't matter how he uses it as long as he's not kicking it down the throat of the opposition.
Gee you blokes get carried away.
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Bad luck for Dave, I don't rate him but would have ben nice for him to string a few games together.
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He made Markovic look like a superstar
Markovic was still crap. He ain't a forward.
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In good nick :clapping
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Played a great game for Coburg. Good news
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Played a great game for Coburg. Good news
great news :shh
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David Astbury
One of his best games this season. Played in defence on Werribee’s resting ruckmen, North Melbourne-listed pair Daniel Currie and Majak Daw. Was terrific in the hectic, final few minutes of the game, taking several timely marks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-23/coburg-report-round-14
:clapping
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Was wondering where bents had been the past few days. Must have finally been able to type his password in correctly :clapping
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David Astbury
One of his best games this season. Played in defence on Werribee’s resting ruckmen, North Melbourne-listed pair Daniel Currie and Majak Daw. Was terrific in the hectic, final few minutes of the game, taking several timely marks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-23/coburg-report-round-14
:clapping
4 yrs in, close to being fully developed physically id say he is at a stage where he should be performing consistently well at coburg at the very least.
it is time for some of the younger talls to at the least take some strides forward and actually improve. dave astbury and ben griffiths have become huge concerns.
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Dave is mostly injured so really cant make a call on him
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If we could get a first rounder id be all over it, expect saints and dogs to form a queue, otherwise im happy to see him develop in the punt rd finishing school :shh..has some talent, no doubt, injuries have set him back 18 months
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Maybe we could get Victor Frankenstein to piece together all the good working parts of Arsebury and Grimes to make some kind of super swamp hybrid player. All the left over parts we can chuck together and call it Ben Griffiths.
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Dwaino maybe you can add some Griff parts too
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If we could get a first rounder id be all over it, expect saints and dogs to form a queue, otherwise im happy to see him develop in the punt rd finishing school :shh..has some talent, no doubt, injuries have set him back 18 months
The weed they peddle these days is much more potent
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David Astbury
One of his best games this season. Played in defence on Werribee’s resting ruckmen, North Melbourne-listed pair Daniel Currie and Majak Daw. Was terrific in the hectic, final few minutes of the game, taking several timely marks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-23/coburg-report-round-14
:clapping
4 yrs in, close to being fully developed physically id say he is at a stage where he should be performing consistently well at coburg at the very least.
it is time for some of the younger talls to at the least take some strides forward and actually improve. dave astbury and ben griffiths have become huge concerns.
Not that many kpp at 22 year o age AFL stars
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David Astbury
One of his best games this season. Played in defence on Werribee’s resting ruckmen, North Melbourne-listed pair Daniel Currie and Majak Daw. Was terrific in the hectic, final few minutes of the game, taking several timely marks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-23/coburg-report-round-14
:clapping
4 yrs in, close to being fully developed physically id say he is at a stage where he should be performing consistently well at coburg at the very least.
it is time for some of the younger talls to at the least take some strides forward and actually improve. dave astbury and ben griffiths have become huge concerns.
Not that many kpp at 22 year o age AFL stars
i dont think i mentioned afl level or insisted they become stars. . i mentioned vfl and asked he improve enough to at least consistently play well at that level.
thing is he cant get a regular kick there after 4 yrs. surely that raises concerns. not saying cut him or anything just that he really is at a stage where he has to improve at least enough to show he belongs at afl level.
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Claw for crying out loud,hasnt this kid spent most of his football life either injured or coming back from injury..you have to give him a fair crack before making any judgement
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David Astbury
One of his best games this season. Played in defence on Werribee’s resting ruckmen, North Melbourne-listed pair Daniel Currie and Majak Daw. Was terrific in the hectic, final few minutes of the game, taking several timely marks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-23/coburg-report-round-14
:clapping
4 yrs in, close to being fully developed physically id say he is at a stage where he should be performing consistently well at coburg at the very least.
it is time for some of the younger talls to at the least take some strides forward and actually improve. dave astbury and ben griffiths have become huge concerns.
Not that many kpp at 22 year o age AFL stars
i dont think i mentioned afl level or insisted they become stars. . i mentioned vfl and asked he improve enough to at least consistently play well at that level.
thing is he cant get a regular kick there after 4 yrs. surely that raises concerns. not saying cut him or anything just that he really is at a stage where he has to improve at least enough to show he belongs at afl level.
You only as good as your last game and he was almost BOG
I thought he was far from our worst when playing seniors.
still young :)
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Agree with Claw, time to take some steps forward and he has done so this game.
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How does grimes get back in ?
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How does grimes get back in ?
if history repeats Astbury will get injured next week.
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was awesome today
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How does grimes get back in ?
They play short and tall so as long as their form holds both could be in our best 22.
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Was good today after finding the tempo of the game but I'm not sure he was awesome..................Rance was awesome!!
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Was pretty handy today just quietly, put the clamps on gunston wasn't it, ...he got a couple of cheap kicks once the sting went outa the game but when the whips were crackin early, nothing got through asters :clapping
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Was a solid citizen today. Well done to the kid. Something to build on. :thumbsup
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astbury was awesome today
did what he had to
played his role
won his position hands down
looked composed and steady
didn't stuff anything up
astbury was the quiet achiever in defence today
as Conca and ellis were in the midfield today
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Took a step fwd for sure, hope he builds on it
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Astbury Chaplin morris
Houli. ARance. Vlastuin.
Looks alright
Why can't i post in Essen Don thread >:(
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Astbury Chaplin morris
Houli. ARance. Vlastuin.
Looks alright
Why can't i post in Essen Don thread >:(
Lol it's hurts our brains interpretating your posts
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Very solid today, but I'd still like him to make way for Grimes and move to the F50 where I think he belongs.
Best game he's played in a long time.
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So easy to criticise your own, took steps and has a battle but that's what we need
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Astbury Chaplin morris
Houli. ARance. Vlastuin.
Looks alright
Why can't i post in Essen Don thread >:(
You need a time out Bents. Recharge your batteries and continue the onslaught once the content of the ASADA document starts leaking to the public. ;D
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Conditions suited him today. Not really a marking forwards game......however won his position hands down today......well done
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Astbury Chaplin morris
Houli. ARance. Vlastuin.
Looks alright
Why can't i post in Essen Don thread >:(
Lol it's hurts our brains interpretating your posts
:lol
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Add Dylan Grimes!
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Astbury Chaplin morris
Houli. ARance. Vlastuin.
Looks alright
Why can't i post in Essen Don thread >:(
Lol it's hurts our brains interpretating your posts
:lol
bullying is against forum rules ::)
Add Dylan Grimes!
Astbury Grimes. Chaplin.
Houli. ARance. Morris.
mid -> Vlastuin.
8)
very tall :shh
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Played a good game. Keep it up
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Like David down back, adds a little more height which we lacked against the swans.
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How slow is this guy?
The 2010's version of Ben Holland, minus the hands
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showing great composure and foot skills
nothing wrong with him so far
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Arsebury the dingleberry.
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I thought he was slow to move, slow to think, and weak at ground level when it was up to him to keep the ball in and wait for backup.
Kicked alright, decent in the air.
Didn't so enough for my liking. Only got a spot because Grimes isn't ready yet.
Maybe time to try him F50 again and rest Jack.
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Was listed in best and rightly so. Going in right direction.
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Good that we are playing him but yesterday we went too tall, didn't have the leg speed to match Carlton.
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Good that we are playing him but yesterday we went too tall, didn't have the leg speed to match Carlton.
Correct, unfortunately you can play both Astbury and Grimes along with Rance and Chaplin, one will miss out
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Chaplin should go
Slow and robotic
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Chaplin should go
Slow and robotic
Chaplin wont be dropped
Astbury will be
thought he was very average yesterday, to much coralling and not enough attacking the man with the ball from mine
Looked tentative, reactionary and indecisive
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Chaplin was near woeful yesterday
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Chaplin was near woeful yesterday
He had a lot of company that was as bad or worse
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Chaplin was near woeful yesterday
I think it was only once I saw him taking the game on with intent when he had the ball in his hands.
The rest of his efforts were limited to pedestrian like disposals and sedentary attempts at the contest.
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imo Astburys role as a defender should be to play on and stop the taller gorillas and the resting ruckmen. he needs more size and strength and aggression to perform this role. his lack of pace is a big concern.
imo we still lack a quality lock down full back like mcpharlin .we need to keep looking until we find one. imo we lack the numbers in defensive talls.
grimes imo is too small to play kp. he has good height but size is a real issue.
his role should be as a third man up type who gives run off hb.his strength is reading the ball in the air and making a spoil. He really needs to find enough ball and provide run and rebound to compliment his spoiling ability.if he cant add some strings to his bow i dont see a long term spot for him. it would be a huge bonus if dylan can perform this role.it would allow us to play a very tall backline.
kamdyn mcintosh should be developed in a grant birchall role, good height, has run and skills. he can also play accountable footy hes decent in the air in fact hes good in the air.
looking at the players we have next yr id like to see something like this. id like us to get in a player like james frawley if possible.
b/ morris - chaplin - grimes
hb/ mcintosh - rance/astbury - dea/vlaustin/ellis..
that includes realistically all of our tall defenders. it includes all 3 kpds chaplin,rance,and astbury and there are issues with all three.
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Astbury leaves injuries behind
By Maddy Jeffery
afl.com.au
Wednesday, August 21, 2013
Feeling fitter than ever, young Richmond defender David Astbury is intent on putting his challenging injury run behind him, and cementing a spot in the Tigers’ team.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-08-21/astbury-leaves-injuries-behind
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Cmon Smokey....put their weight as well. :o
Micheal and Leppitsch were real "gorilla keepers".....not sure you can say that about our trio.
Neither of them were 'gorillas' when they were young - Michael in fact was one of the skinniest guys going around when he was in his early 20's - in fact he weighed 68 kgs when he was drafted and 85kgs when he went to Brisbane in 2001 at 24 years of age. Both only grew bulk in their later years, as do most players. And I was only responding to the comments about needing 195+cm to play at fullback, citing Michael and Leppitsch as examples. As a comparison:
Moore is 26 and weighs 84kg
McGuane is 23 and weighs 86kg
Thursfield is 24 and weighs 85kg
too light
i bet dustin weighs that much and is only 19
Did you think Michael was too light when he went to Brisbane and played fullback in a winning grand final side at 24 years of age?
was just having a peruse thru this thread and came across this.
mal michael weighed 103kg at the start of the 2003 season and he held down f/b in the 2002 g/f and he was huge. reckon someones got their figures wrong somewhere.
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needs a run clear of injuries
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Leaves injuries behind, now out of the side for injury/soreness...
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David Astbury in focus
richmondfc.com.au
October 30, 2013
Tim Clarke says: “When Dave was in the VFL, he played a key defensive role for us, with the odd time moving to shut down a smaller opponent.
That was for his development . . . to prove to the senior coaching staff that he could match up on smaller opposition players.
Over the pre-season, Dave will be working on his footwork, defensive positioning and offensive decision-making/movement, to take his game to the next level.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-30/david-astbury-in-focus
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
X 2... :lol
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:lol
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if he plays again .......what a absolute disgrace of a footballer....if he was my brother id bash the poo out of him
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Still Arsebury.
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Did a hammy... wacko
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Did a hammy... wacko
FFS DIKC WAD watch the game, he was stuffed all night!
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not up to it. griff shows alot more and thats saying something.
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Plays in a state of malaise.
Would rather see what Darrou has got
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Plays in a state of malaise.
Would rather see what Darrou has got
Yep!
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Dud delist.
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Not a defender. Never was, never will be.
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Not a defender. Never was, never will be.
Not nothing. Wasting our time
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Turns up to training to eat the bread.
Pass
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Plays in a state of malaise.
Would rather see what Darrou has got
Where was Darou ?
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Plays in a state of malaise.
Would rather see what Darrou has got
Where was Darou ?
At Sexpo, followed up with a night out at the monster trucks
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Missing a chromosome
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Plays in a state of malaise.
Would rather see what Darrou has got
Where was Darou ?
At Sexpo, followed up with a night out at the monster trucks
Yesss :clapping
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Terrific, just terrific TM
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not up to it. griff shows alot more and thats saying something.
Unfortunately it's saying nothing
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Not sold on playing Astbury back or forward. From what I have seen Darrou has him covered in speed, agility, spoiling, kicking and aggression. I would love to see him given a chance at playing the 3rd tall in the back line which will allow Grimes to play a running half back on mid size forwards which in my opinion is his go.
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Did Astbury do his hammy? Another poster somewhere claims he did his hammy with that kick. Nothing has been reported however that I can see.
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faked it to cover up the unforced error
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Did Astbury do his hammy? Another poster somewhere claims he did his hammy with that kick. Nothing has been reported however that I can see.
Heard it was cramp.
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Heard it was a soft aorta
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#Duddelist
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Have said it for awhile, will not make it. Post was more talented.
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faked it to cover up the unforced error
:lol
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faked it to cover up the unforced error
I congratulate you on being a greek. Only a greek would come up with something like this. Its like when we watch the news and someones house has burnt down everyone in the community rallies and tries to help. Greeks watching on TV will say they did it to get the insurance and start applauding the innitiative shown by the family in question ;D
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:shh
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
So do the coaches actually see these things or just us the tormented supporter. To me it looks like he has been infected with Mcguanitis.
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
wow!
he stuffed his kick up because he watched the ball onto his boot?
If you were teaching someone to kick you would tell them not to watch the ball onto their boot?
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
wow!
he stuffed his kick up because he watched the ball onto his boot?
If you were teaching someone to kick you would tell them not to watch the ball onto their boot?
Are you for real? Did you actually watch the game? Did you actually see him doing what he did? Have you ever kicked a footy? Are you just baiting again????
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
So do the coaches actually see these things or just us the tormented supporter. To me it looks like he has been infected with Mcguanitis.
Good to see others noticed it....
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
WTF? What coaching manual did you get that from?
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
wow!
he stuffed his kick up because he watched the ball onto his boot?
If you were teaching someone to kick you would tell them not to watch the ball onto their boot?
Are you for real? Did you actually watch the game? Did you actually see him doing what he did? Have you ever kicked a footy? Are you just baiting again????
Yes i saw it.
no im not baiting
legitimate questions to one of the most staggering things i have read from you.
Do you really believe that he stuffed his kick because he watched the ball to his boot?
Do you really think that when kicking you should watch where you want it to go rather than the ball as you make impact? That watching the ball onto your boot will cause you to kick poorly? Is that what you would teach someone when teaching them to kick.
:huh3
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Staggering in this day and age that a player at this level cant connect his foot to the ball, under no direct pressure.
Meanwhile, young players from other clubs jag amazing goals out of their backsides under extreme pressure.
The two extremes in skills are heart breaking if your a Richmond supporter.
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Forget the poor turnover in the last quarter.
He is a player that is lacking confidence within himself.
Dropped marks, not timing the contest right and poor decisions.
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Forget the poor turnover in the last quarter.
I will not forget and I will not forgive
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
wow!
he stuffed his kick up because he watched the ball onto his boot?
If you were teaching someone to kick you would tell them not to watch the ball onto their boot?
Are you for real? Did you actually watch the game? Did you actually see him doing what he did? Have you ever kicked a footy? Are you just baiting again????
Yes i saw it.
no im not baiting
legitimate questions to one of the most staggering things i have read from you.
Do you really believe that he stuffed his kick because he watched the ball to his boot?
Do you really think that when kicking you should watch where you want it to go rather than the ball as you make impact? That watching the ball onto your boot will cause you to kick poorly? Is that what you would teach someone when teaching them to kick.
:huh3
You should look at both but it does look like Astbury spends a bit to much time looking at it hit his boot
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
wow!
he stuffed his kick up because he watched the ball onto his boot?
If you were teaching someone to kick you would tell them not to watch the ball onto their boot?
Are you for real? Did you actually watch the game? Did you actually see him doing what he did? Have you ever kicked a footy? Are you just baiting again????
Yes i saw it.
no im not baiting
legitimate questions to one of the most staggering things i have read from you.
Do you really believe that he stuffed his kick because he watched the ball to his boot?
Do you really think that when kicking you should watch where you want it to go rather than the ball as you make impact? That watching the ball onto your boot will cause you to kick poorly? Is that what you would teach someone when teaching them to kick.
:huh3
You should look at both but it does look like Astbury spends a bit to much time looking at it hit his boot
Thank you, good to see logical people understand what I meant.
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
wow!
he stuffed his kick up because he watched the ball onto his boot?
If you were teaching someone to kick you would tell them not to watch the ball onto their boot?
Are you for real? Did you actually watch the game? Did you actually see him doing what he did? Have you ever kicked a footy? Are you just baiting again????
Yes i saw it.
no im not baiting
legitimate questions to one of the most staggering things i have read from you.
Do you really believe that he stuffed his kick because he watched the ball to his boot?
Do you really think that when kicking you should watch where you want it to go rather than the ball as you make impact? That watching the ball onto your boot will cause you to kick poorly? Is that what you would teach someone when teaching them to kick.
:huh3
You should look at both but it does look like Astbury spends a bit to much time looking at it hit his boot
Thank you, good to see logical people understand what I meant.
Really? Correct kicking technique is that you watch the ball onto the boot. Just as in cricket you watch the ball on to the bat. to reiterate a question from before - have you ever kicked a footy?
FWIIW I thought Astbury played very well. Pansted Pedersen. Looked composed. Will play most of the year I would think.
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I can't believe what I have read here.
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You should look at both
WTF MkII. Seriously? Kicking A Football 101 - watch the ball onto the boot.
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Look at him when he kicks, he actually looks at the ball hitting his boot and not his target..
are you saying that's a good or bad thing?
Bad, he did it so much he actually kicked the bloody turf!
wow!
he stuffed his kick up because he watched the ball onto his boot?
If you were teaching someone to kick you would tell them not to watch the ball onto their boot?
Are you for real? Did you actually watch the game? Did you actually see him doing what he did? Have you ever kicked a footy? Are you just baiting again????
Yes i saw it.
no im not baiting
legitimate questions to one of the most staggering things i have read from you.
Do you really believe that he stuffed his kick because he watched the ball to his boot?
Do you really think that when kicking you should watch where you want it to go rather than the ball as you make impact? That watching the ball onto your boot will cause you to kick poorly? Is that what you would teach someone when teaching them to kick.
:huh3
You should look at both but it does look like Astbury spends a bit to much time looking at it hit his boot
Thank you, good to see logical people understand what I meant.
Seriously? if how the the stuff do you do both?
You pick your target and then watch the ball onto the boot as you kick it. Just like any sport where you strike a ball, with hand, foot, racquet or stick, you watch the ball untill contact is made
Basic poo you are taught from a kid.
I cant believe this even needs to spelled out, or that people would sprout that they know anything about sport without this basic knowledge, let alone have the gall to belittle me with "have you ever even kicked a ball" without this fundamental understanding of the basics, when I point out your ignorance.
This is truly amazing and has taken stupidity to a completely new level.
and don't come up with any crap about context, because the initial statement was that arseberry watched the ball onto his boot rather than looking at where he wanted to kick it, so that is pretty much cut and dried wrong, and I would severely hope that anyone that thinks that is never anywhere near any person that needs guidance in how to kick a football.
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Well one of you is wrong
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Its like the chicken and the egg
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Deledio also does it wrong:
(http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Richmond%2BTigers%2BTraining%2BSession%2BPVONsDNbOL2l.jpg)
..as does Martin:
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/09/17/1226720/566667-dustin-martin.jpg)
Ablett...pfft...not even close:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQw33EWgTOSpeHGSyXgpWejpkqBHO6324-UQlNT5xMk_y7KVrZ4)
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Hahahahahahahahahah ooohhhhh WAT you've done it again
Hahahahahahahahahahahahajajaj
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Again, first class entertainment on a Sunday night!
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Thanks WAT champagne comedy
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Not sure you experts get it, go watch the replay of the game. Those photos are poo, 1 second shots. Yes you always watch the drop onto your boot, but Astbury keeps looking at his boot after the ball has gone..
As per usual chuckhead you have nothing to say that adds value so stuff off.
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funnier than fred basset
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Not sure you experts get it, go watch the replay of the game. Those photos are poo, 1 second shots. Yes you always watch the drop onto your boot, but Astbury keeps looking at his boot after the ball has gone..
As per usual chuckhead you have nothing to say that adds value so stuff off.
He was still looking at his boot because he was in awe that he actually got a possession
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lmao.
he looked at his boot too long after ball is gone, and that was what caused him to kick the ground before the ball and thus shank his kick.?
:lol
This just gets better and better.
Keep digging sunshine, keep digging.
would it be fair to say you have taken your eye off the ball, on this one, and been found out big time? (a bit like Ryan McLaren actually)
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Not sure you experts get it, go watch the replay of the game. Those photos are poo, 1 second shots. Yes you always watch the drop onto your boot, but Astbury keeps looking at his boot after the ball has gone..
As per usual chuckhead you have nothing to say that adds value so stuff off.
He was still looking at his boot because he was in awe that he actually got a possession
:lol
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This is how you kick you mongs
(http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/n8A1sEXXduGi84C5vun11w--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDt3PTQyNDtoPTIzODtkeD0xO2R5PTE7Y3c9NjI5O2NoPTM1MztxPTcwO249MQ--/http://img.mos.aunz.yimg.com/img/-/140203/nonpremium_nocaptions_0203_1800_vic_sport_lrg-19eujhh.jpg)
FFS ::)
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You should look at both
WTF MkII. Seriously? Kicking A Football 101 - watch the ball onto the boot.
Look at the target, then watch the ball hit your boot. To me it looked like Astbury would glimpse at a target the watch his boot the whole time and not at the ball going to his boot. But WGAF what someone on the internet says
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Seriously? if how the the stuff do you do both?
You pick your target and then watch the ball onto the boot as you kick it. Just like any sport where you strike a ball, with hand, foot, racquet or stick, you watch the ball untill contact is made
I think you just answered the question you seemed to be stumped on ::). I guess I should've stated "not at the same time" but I thought that would be obvious
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Seriously? if how the the stuff do you do both?
You pick your target and then watch the ball onto the boot as you kick it. Just like any sport where you strike a ball, with hand, foot, racquet or stick, you watch the ball untill contact is made
I think you just answered the question you seemed to be stumped on ::). I guess I should've stated "not at the same time" but I thought that would be obvious
so would i have until someone stated that you should look to where you want to kick it rather than watch the ball, which put away any assumption that people who make out they know what they are talking about in regards to footy, understand the basics of kicking.
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You should look at both
WTF MkII. Seriously? Kicking A Football 101 - watch the ball onto the boot.
Look at the target, then watch the ball hit your boot. To me it looked like Astbury would glimpse at a target the watch his boot the whole time and not at the ball going to his boot. But WGAF what someone on the internet says
No-one GAF but it's an interesting point you make. Of course you might look at the target but that has nothing to do with the kicking action which is what was being discussed. It is quite possible and normal to kick 'blindly' - to a voice or on instinct rather than make visual contact but at no point ever in the kicking action should you be looking anywhere except ball onto the boot as you strike. And I would like to know how you can tell from either a TV screen or live at the ground, whether a player is actually looking at their boot or the ball during the kicking action. Some interesting theories and observations about the basics of football in this thread. :huh
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This is how you kick you mongs
(http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/n8A1sEXXduGi84C5vun11w--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDt3PTQyNDtoPTIzODtkeD0xO2R5PTE7Y3c9NjI5O2NoPTM1MztxPTcwO249MQ--/http://img.mos.aunz.yimg.com/img/-/140203/nonpremium_nocaptions_0203_1800_vic_sport_lrg-19eujhh.jpg)
FFS ::)
Jeepers. None of those 3 can kick with their eyes open. And Matty Dea coaching them how to with them blindfolded? :whistle
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You internet nuffers are over thinking it like usual, you just get out there and kick the effn thing.
And if you don't hit the target then you do push ups or run around the oval with a tyre strapped to your fat guts
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Seriously? if how the the stuff do you do both?
You pick your target and then watch the ball onto the boot as you kick it. Just like any sport where you strike a ball, with hand, foot, racquet or stick, you watch the ball untill contact is made
I think you just answered the question you seemed to be stumped on ::). I guess I should've stated "not at the same time" but I thought that would be obvious
so would i have until someone stated that you should look to where you want to kick it rather than watch the ball, which put away any assumption that people who make out they know what they are talking about in regards to footy, understand the basics of kicking.
Just because some nuffer said that doesn't mean everyone thinks that. My original and only point was he seems to stare at his foot for an abnormal amount of time
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You should look at both
WTF MkII. Seriously? Kicking A Football 101 - watch the ball onto the boot.
Look at the target, then watch the ball hit your boot. To me it looked like Astbury would glimpse at a target the watch his boot the whole time and not at the ball going to his boot. But WGAF what someone on the internet says
No-one GAF but it's an interesting point you make. Of course you might look at the target but that has nothing to do with the kicking action which is what was being discussed. It is quite possible and normal to kick 'blindly' - to a voice or on instinct rather than make visual contact but at no point ever in the kicking action should you be looking anywhere except ball onto the boot as you strike. And I would like to know how you can tell from either a TV screen or live at the ground, whether a player is actually looking at their boot or the ball during the kicking action. Some interesting theories and observations about the basics of football in this thread. :huh
Quick question, do you count the follow through as part of the kicking action, or once it hits the boot is that the end? In my mind I count the beginning (wind up and target spotting which as you said can be verbally but in this case he did look for the target), "the kicking action" and the follow through. I saw it live and on the TV and I could be wrong but as I said to me it looks like he stares at his foot.
A bit relevant to this debate about looking at the ball is this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSL-gPMPVXI from the 19.30 mark till whenever that bit finishes. Obviously a bit different and Ronaldo is a different kind of beast but its interesting and would recommend watching the whole thing if you have time :thumbsup
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That mark was gutsy as hell. Keep playing him. Showing plenty.
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In my mind has overtaken several in the back line with two very good games.
Well done son!
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That mark was gutsy as hell. Keep playing him. Showing plenty.
:yep
In my mind has overtaken several in the back line with two very good games.
Well done son!
Its his time now to cement himself in that backline with Rance out, what better opporunity.
Can only be a good thing if players are genuinely fighting for spots.
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I rate dave
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Jury still out for me. He might get there but I dont have alot of confidence.
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Jury still out for me. He might get there but I dont have alot of confidence.
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Jury still out for me. He might get there but I dont have alot of confidence.
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Me either, but he has been pretty good. Credit where credit is due.
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he is better than rance
rance should give it up and do more door knocking
:wallywink
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Get used to it , he has quickly become our most important defender, contests like a threshing machine and reads the play like he s a broadway director , developing nicely this kid, another one from the tiger nursery :shh
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Get used to it , he has quickly become our most important defender, contests like a threshing machine and reads the play like he s a broadway director , developing nicely this kid, another one from the tiger nursery :shh
Yesss :shh
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Is playing really good footy at the moment. Needs to keep it up. Was very solid under pressure against the Blues which is a great sign.
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Hope he's already studying Cloke.
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Would solve a heck of a lot of problems if he can make the position his own.
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Dingles played a corker
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i reckon i could make a good case to say we have gone backwards on last yr so far.
the saving grace has been the improvement in both astbury and griffiths.
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Astbury needs to do a bit more for mine, he hasn't really been tested. He needs a scalp like Cloke to show he has what it takes.
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Astbury needs to do a bit more for mine, he hasn't really been tested. He needs a scalp like Cloke to show he has what it takes.
To beat Cloke he needs those team mates in the midfield to pressure the kicker who is delivering to him.
If they put it lace out, the full back of the century would have no hope. He also needs a third man up and not to be left one out.
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Astbury needs to do a bit more for mine, he hasn't really been tested. He needs a scalp like Cloke to show he has what it takes.
To beat Cloke he needs those team mates in the midfield to pressure the kicker who is delivering to him.
If they put it lace out, the full back of the century would have no hope. He also needs a third man up and not to be left one out.
True but I want to see him win one on one, against another player, one on one in the square. Win a few of them and yes he has improved.
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Back to his best, missing the ball and not wanting it either!!!
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Been Hopeless today and sadly he is in the same boat with about 18 other blokes in yellow and black jumpers today.
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wacko
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Still think it's disgraceful he has No 12 on his back
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Had the look of Oakley Nichols yesterday I thought...lost in traffic
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Was brilliant on Cloke. A bright light on a dull night.
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He's a bit up and down Astbury but he's slowly getting there. Will have some bad games this year and be frustrating but we need to be patient and keep persisting.
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Went ok actually, still needs to improve his decision making but overall went well.
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Was impressed with that game, only positive of the night
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Played a great game last night on Cloke and did it on his own. Astbury has clearly been the best key defender for us this year :clapping
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Played a great game last night on Cloke and did it on his own. Astbury has clearly been the best key defender for us this year :clapping
agree
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Although I agree Astbury has really stood up in Rances absence, Cloke is terribly out of form and other than him he hasnt played on a quality key forward.
Really has improved a lot though, used to have 0 confidence.
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B: Mortis Astbury Rance
HB: Houli Chaplin Ellis
At least we have a bloke who can play on gorrilas now
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At least this kid has a crack
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Although I agree Astbury has really stood up in Rances absence, Cloke is terribly out of form and other than him he hasnt played on a quality key forward.
Really has improved a lot though, used to have 0 confidence.
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At least this kid has a crack
Not really the way I would sum Astbury up but he has done Ok this year. Don't go overboard though
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Have a look at the record in the last few years and see how may Cloke usually kicks against Richmond.
Even when out of form Cloke saves his best for us.
Keep it going Dave the Chemical Engineer
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I think theres a spot for him,but the worrying part for me is his lack of pace.On a few occasions 32 ,dodgy kneed Brown led him to the ball
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One of Brown's goals was on Chappy. And another should have been stopped by that pea heart Grigg. If Astbury played with team players that would have been hammered into the 10th row.
A couple of the others I don't know what he was doing. He got a fist in easily but missed the ball. :lol :lol
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Apparently last night was the first time a player has taken a contested mark against Astbury this year?
Astbury was fine IMO. Just needed some other blokes to plug holes in front of Brown. Petterd managed it. Grigg lowered his colours...
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One of Brown's goals was on Chappy. And another should have been stopped by that pea heart Grigg. If Astbury played with team players that would have been hammered into the 10th row.
A couple of the others I don't know what he was doing. He got a fist in easily but missed the ball. :lol :lol
Yeah saw that, both times he was all over it but fist missed the ball ;D
Is going well :clapping
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One of Brown's goals was on Chappy. And another should have been stopped by that pea heart Grigg. If Astbury played with team players that would have been hammered into the 10th row.
A couple of the others I don't know what he was doing. He got a fist in easily but missed the ball. :lol :lol
Yeah saw that, both times he was all over it but fist missed the ball ;D
Is going well :clapping
Fits in well at the Calamity Tigers. :shh
But on a serious note I think he's tracking well.
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Will have many frustrating games, as did Rance when he started. He'll be OK.
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Has been good so far, though last night he struggled at times.
Still think he is too slow in his decision making, one of the main offenders of the stop starts on the backline
Hopefully would have learnt a lot playing against big Jon Brown
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Has been good so far, though last night he struggled at times.
Still think he is too slow in his decision making, one of the main offenders of the stop starts on the backline
Hopefully would have learnt a lot playing against big Jon Brown
Good call WP, if you don't learn anything from being on King Brown, you never will learn anything, Browny has been awesome to watch over the years.
I think after he gets another year or so under his belt for experience, providing he doesn't play in the maggoos (not much experience there I'm afraid) like the last two years that he's been there, should see him become a valued player.
Looks to be going well and hope to see lots more of him down back.
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Very happy with Astbury this year after another solid performance. Well done!
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Played good today
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Played good today
did he play of the roughie
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Yes
Very solid and not scared to back his judgement
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Yes
Very solid and not scared to back his judgement
honestly thought if Roughie was kept quite which he was that we would have some sort of a go. Why Rioli was running around with no chain stumps me
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He is good defensively but as Hardwick was right to point out in the presser his attacking work is next to non existent. Quite the old school fullback but the modern game needs him to be more attacking as well.
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Showed pace I never thought he had by chasing Hill and not letting him get away (although Hill centred it to Rioli for a goal).
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A shining light
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Showed pace I never thought he had by chasing Hill and not letting him get away (although Hill centred it to Rioli for a goal).
I was thinking the exact same thing, pleasantly surprising seeing that
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At least he chased. Doubt chappy would
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He is good defensively but as Hardwick was right to point out in the presser his attacking work is next to non existent. Quite the old school fullback but the modern game needs him to be more attacking as well.
Uses the footy well so I think as he becomes comfortable playing at the level he will get better. And to Dimma saying he needs to work on his offensive game, well at least he's offering something defensively unlike half the team who offer nothing either way.
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Would be just about leading the B&F if I were voting. Has easily been in our top 10 players in every game and has been close to our best in a couple of those games. When was the last time one of our key backs pumped a powerhouse like Cloke or Roughie? Yes, Rancey has beaten Franklin but that doesn't seem to be all that challenging these days TBH. Get Rance back in this team to take the 2nd tall and we're looking a lot better down back. I don't care if Astbury gets less of the footy than Presti, he has been stuffing brilliant this year in 1v1s. Zac Dawson has played in 4-5 GFs and has no offensive side
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And to Dimma saying he needs to work on his offensive game, well at least he's offering something defensively unlike half the team who offer nothing either way.
Hardwick did praise his defensive game.
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Unusually poised & composed for a Richmond player. Particularly liked the play where he had the presence of mind to wait for Newman run around and get upfield to create a target for him to kick to instead of just rushing a handball to him in the goal square. Par for the course in most sides but a rare thing in ours.
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David slays goliath, but Tigers still fall short
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
April 28, 2014
HAVING entered the last couple of seasons fit and healthy and then breaking down with injury, David Astbury came into 2014 with a slight case of trepidation.
Again he had got through a summer with few physical hassles, and he felt good heading into the home and away year, but that wasn't a new feeling for Astbury, which taught him not to get his hopes up.
"It's a tough one because I've thought that the last couple of years would be my year," Astbury told AFL.com.au.
This time, though, things seem to have turned the way of the emerging Richmond defender. He has played the first six games of the season and on Sunday negated Hawthorn star Jarryd Roughead, despite Richmond's 66-point defeat.
Since Alex Rance's foot injury, Astbury has been given the responsibility of holding down the opposition's premier key forward, and has shown a zest for the role.
He studied for the Roughead role in much the same way as he did with Carlton's Jarrad Waite in round two.
"I've done a fair bit of homework on [Roughead] and I knew I had to check him closely. I think at stages I did a good job and then at other stages he got off a little bit," he said.
"There was a few times I thought I was done and he had me beat, but luckily the ball didn't come. He's really good at turning you and getting in behind you, so that's something I'll definitely be reviewing this week."
Roughead, who won last year's Coleman Medal, kicked only one goal in his team's big win, which came after a free kick in the last term.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick praised Astbury for his development so far this year.
"The one thing he does, he beats his opponent. He's got to work a little bit harder on his offensive game to get that up and going, but we've been really pleased with his form throughout the year," Hardwick said after the Hawthorn loss.
Injuries have curtailed the 23-year-old's career to this point, having played only 12 games from 2011-2013.
Through the pre-season he spent lots of time matched against Richmond's trio of tall forward – Jack Riewoldt, Ty Vickery and Ben Griffiths – and feels that's where his improvement has come from.
"I managed to not break down in the pre-season and now I've started to get a run of games in the home and away season. Things are starting to look a lot more positive. I know there's 16 rounds before finals, and I'm definitely looking at the moment to try to play every game," Astbury said.
Richmond will need to lift its standards if it is to return to September action this year, after falling to its fourth loss in the opening six rounds.
Astbury said Hardwick had put the responsibility on every player chipping in to turn the club's fortunes, and that approach needed to start against Geelong next Sunday.
"'Dimma' [Hardwick] was pretty strong on the fact we've got ourselves in a hole now and we need to dig ourselves out. It's not going to be a couple of players to do it, it's about the whole club pulling the chain in the one direction," he said.
"Hopefully we can prove to the football world we are a genuinely good side and really match it with [Geelong]."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-28/david-slays-goliath
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And to Dimma saying he needs to work on his offensive game, well at least he's offering something defensively unlike half the team who offer nothing either way.
Hardwick did praise his defensive game.
I know (through gritted teeth because he didn't want to play him in the first place) and then had a go at his offensive game. When there are blokes playing weekly who offer nothing from either side.
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And to Dimma saying he needs to work on his offensive game, well at least he's offering something defensively unlike half the team who offer nothing either way.
Hardwick did praise his defensive game.
I know (through gritted teeth because he didn't want to play him in the first place) and then had a go at his offensive game. When there are blokes playing weekly who offer nothing from either side.
Will be dropped when Roller Disco comes back.
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Our best defender :bow
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And to Dimma saying he needs to work on his offensive game, well at least he's offering something defensively unlike half the team who offer nothing either way.
Hardwick did praise his defensive game.
I know (through gritted teeth because he didn't want to play him in the first place) and then had a go at his offensive game. When there are blokes playing weekly who offer nothing from either side.
Will be dropped when Roller Disco comes back.
It's the only way of stopping him contracting Mr.Tigra's tigeritis is to not play him. :lol
Besides Chappy gets paid twice as much as Astbury. :shh
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He is good defensively but as Hardwick was right to point out in the presser his attacking work is next to non existent. Quite the old school fullback but the modern game needs him to be more attacking as well.
Uses the footy well so I think as he becomes comfortable playing at the level he will get better. And to Dimma saying he needs to work on his offensive game, well at least he's offering something defensively unlike half the team who offer nothing either way.
Agree. Work first on defensive game then work on offensive game. One of the few shining lights this season
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He is good defensively but as Hardwick was right to point out in the presser his attacking work is next to non existent. Quite the old school fullback but the modern game needs him to be more attacking as well.
Might be an idea for Dimma to actually look at a game in total.
The reason why the backs do not offer much offensively is because
A) There are NO strong repeated leads from players upfield (with the exception of Jack) to pass the ball.
B) with the lack of work effort the ball, if not delivered perfectly, will rebound at speed to catch the defender out of position.
Have a look at any game. Most of the run from defence comes from BEHIND the ball holder ie someone running past for handball or short kick or a switch of play. There is NOTHING coming from upfield.
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Only 7 RFC players had more ball than astbury. If his offensive game is poor I'd hate to think of the others. :shh
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Having a breakout season :clapping
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Only 7 RFC players had more ball than astbury.
u sure
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Only 7 RFC players had more ball than astbury.
u sure
pretty sure.
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Has done ok this year stopping his man but IMO is still part of the problem. There is a difference between getting 12 kicks (an receiving that first 15m kick out from full back surely shouldn't count or a sideways kick to a guy flat footed) and being attacking. Let's face it, we play one down in the backline with him in terms of getting some run out of our back half which has been our biggest problem this year.
It's all well and good for Dave to be getting games and keeping his man reasonably quiet and I'm sure his mum is proud but footy has changed from the Will Thurstfield days, if you want to be a great side you have to have 18 players that can create some run. It's no coincidence that we were better last year without him than this year with him.
I know we have been waiting for Dave to be able to compete at this level but that simply isn't enough from a team point of view.
I know we have bigger problems than Dave but IMO he needs to be upgrade too unless he can change. I finally agree with Dimma on something.
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If his offensive game is poor I'd hate to think of the others. :shh
Who said it was poor?
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This kid will only get better if he backs himself in......all the great defenders attack first cos they back themselves in to win the contest....win it...not halve it......the good ones are positive footballers.......this is where we fall over.....defend or negate before we attack is here we fail
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If his offensive game is poor I'd hate to think of the others. :shh
Who said it was poor?
poor/needs improving. Same poo. Either way he's better than most.
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No doubt the kid needs to keep improving and expanding on his game, but lets not expect too much too soon... has made massive inroads from where he was, he's doing something no one including Rance has been able to do and that's keep units like Cloke and Roughead quiet and out of the game when we were getting smashed through the middle. Im happy for him to really cement himself as a stopper first and foremost. Rnace will make up for the rebound when he gets back which in turn will free up all other defenders and give them an opponent one rung down in the pecking order. Baby steps guys, kid finally shows improvement and fills a need and we're already demanding he improves his rebound
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poor/needs improving. Same poo.
No it's not.
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No doubt the kid needs to keep improving and expanding on his game, but lets not expect too much too soon... has made massive inroads from where he was, he's doing something no one including Rance has been able to do and that's keep units like Cloke and Roughead quiet and out of the game when we were getting smashed through the middle. Im happy for him to really cement himself as a stopper first and foremost. Rnace will make up for the rebound when he gets back which in turn will free up all other defenders and give them an opponent one rung down in the pecking order. Baby steps guys, kid finally shows improvement and fills a need and we're already demanding he improves his rebound
well said tony. :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Another solid game from Astbury. Growing into his position nicely.
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Proving me wrong week after week. As was/is Griff. Small positive for 2014...
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I always said he had a good footy brain hey chuck :lol
I really liked him when we drafted him, saw what I thought were some really promising signs, then was cruelled by injury and subsequently looked slower than treacle... thought he was done by the end of last season. Good on him, really happy to see him improving and cementing himself as a player we desperately need ie a gorilla stopper!!
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
Well ahead of Chaplin atm. So much more accountable too. :thumbsup
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Going well. Can still get better.
Needs to take them on as well as being a close checking type.
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He has strength that Chappy and Rancer dont have.
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He has strength that Chappy and Rancer dont have.
Chappy is a paper tiger atm.
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
disagree astbury has a role to do that has nothing to do with chaplin.
we now need to find someone to replace chaplin a big body like chappy but capable of actually defending.
play the two big kpds astbury and chappys replacement and leave rance where he belongs playing as the third tall.
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not sure where this fallacy of your kpds having to provide lots of rebound comes from. astbury is our #1 tall stopper atm and his primary role is to nullify the oppositions best tall forwards hes doing that. at the same time he is getting his fair share of ball his stats stack up against nearly all kpds this yr.
if we lack run and rebound this yr dont blame astbury blame those around him he has his hands full with blokes likechaplin and grimes spudding it up.
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
disagree astbury has a role to do that has nothing to do with chaplin.
You miss the point. Astbury is now doing the role on the gorillas Rance was last year which moves Rance into a role more suited to that of what Chaplin has been doing. Might be near time to give young McIntosh a chance in that third tall role..
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not sure where this fallacy of your kpds having to provide lots of rebound comes from. astbury is our #1 tall stopper atm and his primary role is to nullify the oppositions best tall forwards hes doing that. at the same time he is getting his fair share of ball his stats stack up against nearly all kpds this yr.
if we lack run and rebound this yr dont blame astbury blame those around him he has his hands full with blokes likechaplin and grimes spudding it up.
:clapping what is this? You being the most positive on the thread? ;D :thumbsup
If we can get him and Rance a better mate down there then all will be well in the world. Then we can worry about the small guys in the back half.
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Going well. Can still get better.
Needs to take them on as well as being a close checking type.
^ Totally agree with this
Shown massive improvement but is one of the main offenders of not moving the ball quickly out of the back half.
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not sure where this fallacy of your kpds having to provide lots of rebound comes from. astbury is our #1 tall stopper atm and his primary role is to nullify the oppositions best tall forwards hes doing that. at the same time he is getting his fair share of ball his stats stack up against nearly all kpds this yr.
if we lack run and rebound this yr dont blame astbury blame those around him he has his hands full with blokes likechaplin and grimes spudding it up.
Good post, been extremely negative on Astbury in the past and couldn't be happier with how he is performing
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would say he is the best thing to happen to our club this year.
Imagine how much other talent is hidden in the VFL team if only they get a chance.
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would say he is the best thing to happen to our club this year.
Imagine how much other talen is hidden in the VFL team if only they get a chance.
Absolutely. Play them FFS.
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Leading the JD medal ?
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would say he is the best thing to happen to our club this year.
Imagine how much other talent is hidden in the VFL team if only they get a chance.
Exactly
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would say he is the best thing to happen to our club this year.
Imagine how much other talent is hidden in the VFL team if only they get a chance.
Miles, Lennon, MacBean, Elton........
FJ is getting a raw deal from the match selection committee. In the past they were left to stagnate at Coburg where they got zero development and we would vent our frustrations at him saying he's unable to pick anyone from 2nd to 5th rounds in the ND. I reckon he could have picked Royce Hart in the past and we would have called him dud delist!!
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Going well. Can still get better.
Needs to take them on as well as being a close checking type.
^ Totally agree with this
Shown massive improvement but is one of the main offenders of not moving the ball quickly out of the back half.
I actually believe he can do it, which is refreshing.
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Just shows what experience at the top level does. VFL is chump.
Don't waste our kids in the VFL and have recycled failures stealing cash from our TPP.
Get Petterd, Thomas, A.Edwards, Stephenson, Chaplin and co off our list and play the kids that we have drafted who are untried. Dea was a pretty average footballer until he played a dozen games in the seniors and started to look OK. Astbury was an very ordinary defender, as was Rance when they started. Rance has blossomed into a defender who if some things go his way and he improves a bit more will come into All Australian selection. Astbury another year under the belt and he will comfortably become our 2nd best defender and a lock in selection.
Stop stuffing up our rebuild by playing failed duds from other clubs. Play our kids and give them a chance.
#griffithsgate
#arnotgate
#etc.
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stuffn oath.
VFL just sucks their will to live
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Yep, I have to say after the past few weeks he has really improved, let's hope he keeps t up.
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
disagree astbury has a role to do that has nothing to do with chaplin.
You miss the point. Astbury is now doing the role on the gorillas Rance was last year which moves Rance into a role more suited to that of what Chaplin has been doing. Might be near time to give young McIntosh a chance in that third tall role..
mate i dont miss anything.
rance has never ever done a good job on the big key forwards. he was basically loose man in defence on sunday third tall is his go he is very ordinary in 1v 1 situations imo.
mcintosh is a tall running player think andrew mackie when you think of a like for like. so basically a flanker with the added bonus of height and accountability if needed. hes quick enough with a great motor and good disposal skills.
is grant birchall a third tall or a tall hbf. will schofield at the eagles is a tall running player yep in recent times hes been asked to play third tall and kpp at times. thats mcintosh.
letys just say ben rutten is on our list for the purpose of showing what i think would be the ideal set up in defense.
morris - rutten - rance
vlastuin - astbury - mcintosh if he makes the grade,
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yeah, maybe he aint the best one on one, but he's ok.
but he is willing to take risks and take the game on. he gives us drive from defence, something we have sorely missed while he was out.
you can highlight his deficiencies ( which all players have) all you want, but we are a much better side with him in.
bottom line!
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Lids and rance come in we improve..lids and rance out and we play like martha and the muffins
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
disagree astbury has a role to do that has nothing to do with chaplin.
You miss the point. Astbury is now doing the role on the gorillas Rance was last year which moves Rance into a role more suited to that of what Chaplin has been doing. Might be near time to give young McIntosh a chance in that third tall role..
mate i dont miss anything.
rance has never ever done a good job on the big key forwards. he was basically loose man in defence on sunday third tall is his go he is very ordinary in 1v 1 situations imo.
mcintosh is a tall running player think andrew mackie when you think of a like for like. so basically a flanker with the added bonus of height and accountability if needed. hes quick enough with a great motor and good disposal skills.
is grant birchall a third tall or a tall hbf. will schofield at the eagles is a tall running player yep in recent times hes been asked to play third tall and kpp at times. thats mcintosh.
letys just say ben rutten is on our list for the purpose of showing what i think would be the ideal set up in defense.
morris - rutten - rance
vlastuin - astbury - mcintosh if he makes the grade,
I know it's just an example but no team in history could have Rutten and Astbury in the same side. Both give absolutely nothing when it comes to rebound. And Out of those two Rutten gives more.
Mate, you are flat out wrong about Rance too, and you have been since day one. You are just not man enough to admit it.
I don't give two hoots if you say he is a good loose man or third back, the facts are he is one of the best backman going round. Pull your head out of your arse and stop trying to justify, you were wrong about him. Everyone has an opinion and everyone gets one wrong occasionally but most can say happily, I was wrong. You refuse too which makes me want to fly to Perth and knock you out. :thumbsup We are lucky to have this kid, he is a bloody star.
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
disagree astbury has a role to do that has nothing to do with chaplin.
You miss the point. Astbury is now doing the role on the gorillas Rance was last year which moves Rance into a role more suited to that of what Chaplin has been doing. Might be near time to give young McIntosh a chance in that third tall role..
mate i dont miss anything.
rance has never ever done a good job on the big key forwards. he was basically loose man in defence on sunday third tall is his go he is very ordinary in 1v 1 situations imo.
mcintosh is a tall running player think andrew mackie when you think of a like for like. so basically a flanker with the added bonus of height and accountability if needed. hes quick enough with a great motor and good disposal skills.
is grant birchall a third tall or a tall hbf. will schofield at the eagles is a tall running player yep in recent times hes been asked to play third tall and kpp at times. thats mcintosh.
letys just say ben rutten is on our list for the purpose of showing what i think would be the ideal set up in defense.
morris - rutten - rance
vlastuin - astbury - mcintosh if he makes the grade,
Never beaten big forward?
John brown
Franklin
N riewokdt
Cameron
Pls
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
disagree astbury has a role to do that has nothing to do with chaplin.
You miss the point. Astbury is now doing the role on the gorillas Rance was last year which moves Rance into a role more suited to that of what Chaplin has been doing. Might be near time to give young McIntosh a chance in that third tall role..
mate i dont miss anything.
rance has never ever done a good job on the big key forwards. he was basically loose man in defence on sunday third tall is his go he is very ordinary in 1v 1 situations imo.
mcintosh is a tall running player think andrew mackie when you think of a like for like. so basically a flanker with the added bonus of height and accountability if needed. hes quick enough with a great motor and good disposal skills.
is grant birchall a third tall or a tall hbf. will schofield at the eagles is a tall running player yep in recent times hes been asked to play third tall and kpp at times. thats mcintosh.
letys just say ben rutten is on our list for the purpose of showing what i think would be the ideal set up in defense.
morris - rutten - rance
vlastuin - astbury - mcintosh if he makes the grade,
Never beaten big forward?
John brown
Franklin
N riewokdt
Cameron
Pls
I can book a flight for two if you want to come to Perth and knock him out after I have :cheers
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
disagree astbury has a role to do that has nothing to do with chaplin.
You miss the point. Astbury is now doing the role on the gorillas Rance was last year which moves Rance into a role more suited to that of what Chaplin has been doing. Might be near time to give young McIntosh a chance in that third tall role..
mate i dont miss anything.
rance has never ever done a good job on the big key forwards. he was basically loose man in defence on sunday third tall is his go he is very ordinary in 1v 1 situations imo.
mcintosh is a tall running player think andrew mackie when you think of a like for like. so basically a flanker with the added bonus of height and accountability if needed. hes quick enough with a great motor and good disposal skills.
is grant birchall a third tall or a tall hbf. will schofield at the eagles is a tall running player yep in recent times hes been asked to play third tall and kpp at times. thats mcintosh.
letys just say ben rutten is on our list for the purpose of showing what i think would be the ideal set up in defense.
morris - rutten - rance
vlastuin - astbury - mcintosh if he makes the grade,
Never beaten big forward?
John brown
Franklin
N riewokdt
Cameron
Pls
I think he's got you there claw. I'd call that a TKO! :lol
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
disagree astbury has a role to do that has nothing to do with chaplin.
You miss the point. Astbury is now doing the role on the gorillas Rance was last year which moves Rance into a role more suited to that of what Chaplin has been doing. Might be near time to give young McIntosh a chance in that third tall role..
mate i dont miss anything.
rance has never ever done a good job on the big key forwards. he was basically loose man in defence on sunday third tall is his go he is very ordinary in 1v 1 situations imo.
mcintosh is a tall running player think andrew mackie when you think of a like for like. so basically a flanker with the added bonus of height and accountability if needed. hes quick enough with a great motor and good disposal skills.
is grant birchall a third tall or a tall hbf. will schofield at the eagles is a tall running player yep in recent times hes been asked to play third tall and kpp at times. thats mcintosh.
letys just say ben rutten is on our list for the purpose of showing what i think would be the ideal set up in defense.
morris - rutten - rance
vlastuin - astbury - mcintosh if he makes the grade,
I know it's just an example but no team in history could have Rutten and Astbury in the same side. Both give absolutely nothing when it comes to rebound. And Out of those two Rutten gives more.
Mate, you are flat out wrong about Rance too, and you have been since day one. You are just not man enough to admit it.
I don't give two hoots if you say he is a good loose man or third back, the facts are he is one of the best backman going round. Pull your head out of your arse and stop trying to justify, you were wrong about him. Everyone has an opinion and everyone gets one wrong occasionally but most can say happily, I was wrong. You refuse too which makes me want to fly to Perth and knock you out. :thumbsup We are lucky to have this kid, he is a bloody star.
Was going to say the same thing but you beat me to the punch. You simply cannot play 2 mack truck type defenders in the same team, would get crucified.. besides Rance is more than capable of playing on a second fwd.
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Astbury has been a real find this year. Keep hearing how we are missing xyz players and that's why the club is performing so badly. But internally, having someone like Astbury performing in the one on ones has been a real positive. That's something we were missing last year.
Makes the Chaplin trade fairly questionable. How many recycled players have we brought in that are taking or have taken the positions of better young players? Too many would be my estimate. What would the list look like now if we had promoted within?
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Astbury's knee blow
The Tigers' defensive unit is set to be further impacted, following the left knee injury to David Astbury. The much-improved backman went down clutching his left knee, after being side-stepped by Jack Viney late in the third quarter. The movement instantly sparked fears of a possible ACL tear, but those fears were somewhat allayed. Initial indications were that Astbury had instead dislocated his knee cap, an injury he has sustained in the past.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-17/talking-points-richmond-v-melbourne
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Astbury's knee blow
The Tigers' defensive unit is set to be further impacted, following the left knee injury to David Astbury. The much-improved backman went down clutching his left knee, after being side-stepped by Jack Viney late in the third quarter. The movement instantly sparked fears of a possible ACL tear, but those fears were somewhat allayed. Initial indications were that Astbury had instead dislocated his knee cap, an injury he has sustained in the past.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-17/talking-points-richmond-v-melbourne
Any idea how long he will be gone?
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Astbury's knee blow
The Tigers' defensive unit is set to be further impacted, following the left knee injury to David Astbury. The much-improved backman went down clutching his left knee, after being side-stepped by Jack Viney late in the third quarter. The movement instantly sparked fears of a possible ACL tear, but those fears were somewhat allayed. Initial indications were that Astbury had instead dislocated his knee cap, an injury he has sustained in the past.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-17/talking-points-richmond-v-melbourne
Really feel for the guy. Was one of our few positives this season.
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Should be right in 3 weeks provided there is no serious ligament damage,
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Astbury's knee blow
The Tigers' defensive unit is set to be further impacted, following the left knee injury to David Astbury. The much-improved backman went down clutching his left knee, after being side-stepped by Jack Viney late in the third quarter. The movement instantly sparked fears of a possible ACL tear, but those fears were somewhat allayed. Initial indications were that Astbury had instead dislocated his knee cap, an injury he has sustained in the past.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-17/talking-points-richmond-v-melbourne
Any idea how long he will be gone?
I'd say he's realistically gone for the season. At best a 8 to 10 week injury. Not sure where BJ got the 3 week info from.
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I'd say he got it from his ever reliable mail.
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Gutted
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5 weeks on average
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2-3 weeks for the next 8-12 weeks is my mail.
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2-3 weeks for the next 8-12 weeks is my mail.
^^^^i choose this mail over Jackstars^^^^
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Emotional Hardwick laments 'big loss' of Astbury
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
May 17, 2014 6:10 PM
ANOTHER knee injury to luckless Richmond defender David Astbury was enough to move coach Damien Hardwick to the brink of tears after the Tigers' 17-point loss to Melbourne on Saturday.
It was an emotional day for the Tigers, following the passing of club great Tommy Hafey on Monday and the pre-game tribute that celebrated his life.
Hardwick struggled to find words to explain the unexpected loss and just what had changed for the Tigers in the past 12 months.
But it was talking about Astbury, who was having his best season since being drafted in 2009, and his suspected dislocated right kneecap that saw the tough ex-defender choke up.
"You only have to see what it means to the kid - to see tears in his eyes at three-quarter time," Hardwick said.
"He knows what he's done and unfortunately he's going to be a big loss for us.
"We're not exactly sure of the extent."
The injury happened in red time in the third quarter when Astbury went to change direction when he tried to tackle Jack Viney in the Demons' attacking arc.
His left leg twisted and collapsed beneath him as Viney went on to kick a goal.
He appears to have suffered the same injury he sustained to his right knee in round 12, 2011 – a patella dislocation with medial ligament damage.
He needed two operations after that injury and missed nearly 12 months, not playing seniors again until round 22, 2012.
The brave backman joined his teammates at three-quarter time on the field, aided by crutches and with a bag on ice on his knee.
Just two weeks after regaining key defender and Astbury's good friend Alex Rance, the Tigers will again have to reshuffle their back six to cover the loss.
A shattered Hardwick acknowledged how influential Astbury had been this season after finally being able to put together a full pre-season.
"It's a real shame, he's been a very good player for us," he said.
"He's been one of the shining lights this year. He's kept a lot of good players goalless.
"To lose him in a similar manner to what he's done previously is really disappointing."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-17/Tiger-Astbury-injures-knee
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stuff off Hardwick.
Elevate Darrou!!
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Like all injuries at RFC, 2 -3 weeks Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat
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Crocodile tears from Dimma.
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Crocodile tears from Dimma.
Translation: "Cool I don't have to drop our marquee "moneyball" recruit Chaplin"
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he has been one of few improvements this yr. shame hes going to miss a fasir bit of footy just as he finds his feet.
the injury though is not the thing that peees me off. we should expect to cop them.
what really annoys me is the simple fact we dont have one genuine big bodied kpd who can come in and fill the hole. there isnt even a junior we can get games into.
list managment is a farce at richmond.
people need to realise the list is not about your best 22 buty your second 22. manage this right and you have a smooth transition for when injury or age or poor form hits.
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2nd time gone down, Body can't handle the rigors of AFL
It's time to go David Astbury >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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will he be back for round 1 2015?
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depends what damage has been done but l would say 7-8 weeks. it did look nasty
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depends what damage has been done but l would say 7-8 weeks. it did look nasty
isn't that what they said about Knights? Astbury is out for season
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2-3 weeks for the next 8-12 weeks is my mail.
:lol
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I hate hardwick.
Make him go away
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In-form defender David Astbury is thought to have dislocated a patella and is likely to miss the rest of the season.
Luckless Astbury spoke to reporters on Sunday after twisting his left knee, saying he expects scans to show the same injury he suffered to his right knee in round 12 of 2011.
Astbury didn't return until round 22 in 2012.
"There's obviously that pain and stuff you deal with initially, and then there's that emotion that washes over you," Astbury said.
Fellow defender Troy Chaplin told Channel 7 Astbury had been "our most consistent and best player this year".
"It's just terrible for him, he's just such a great person," Chaplin added.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cotchin-expects-to-be-fit-for-gws-clash-20140518-zrgby.html
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-18/cotch-confident-on-fitness
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stuff :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Must elevate Darrou or get Dea back in and leave him there, swim or sink!!
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Season's brightest light just got snuffed out.
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he has been one of few improvements this yr. shame hes going to miss a fasir bit of footy just as he finds his feet.
the injury though is not the thing that peees me off. we should expect to cop them.
what really annoys me is the simple fact we dont have one genuine big bodied kpd who can come in and fill the hole. there isnt even a junior we can get games into.
list managment is a farce at richmond.
people need to realise the list is not about your best 22 buty your second 22. manage this right and you have a smooth transition for when injury or age or poor form hits.
We can't even get our first 22 right so I wouldn't worry about the second yet
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Some good news
From Dave Astbury's twitter
@dastbury12: Great outcome with the surgery. Back running in 6 weeks. Thanks to all who made contact, it's greatly appreciated.
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Some good news
From Dave Astbury's twitter
@dastbury12: Great outcome with the surgery. Back running in 6 weeks. Thanks to all who made contact, it's greatly appreciated.
That's great WP. Thanks for the info!
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Great to hear!
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Should get a full pre season in at least
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Good news post surgery, clearly had loose knee caps , this should do the trick going forward :thumbsup
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Great news. Can we elevate darrou?
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Great news. Can we elevate darrou?
Not for Astbury at the moment
Astbury hasn't placed on the LTIL
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Prob keeping him Safe then just in case we make finals :shh
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David Astbury @dastbury12 twitter:
"Great outcome with the surgery. Back running in 6 weeks. Thanks to all who made contact, it's greatly appreciated."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoOkbEhIgAAUSXD.jpg)
https://twitter.com/dastbury12
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Good news. Hope he has a speedy recovery
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Great video on his progress...RFC using this for some strategic keep the faith dialogue to the fans. Anyway, we need him back ASAP.
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Get rid of Chaplin and houli and the backline doesn't look too bad
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Pause video at 1:49 when he stands up and see the difference in the size :gobdrop
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I think he has made Chaplin's position almost redundant. Been excellent.
disagree astbury has a role to do that has nothing to do with chaplin.
You miss the point. Astbury is now doing the role on the gorillas Rance was last year which moves Rance into a role more suited to that of what Chaplin has been doing. Might be near time to give young McIntosh a chance in that third tall role..
mate i dont miss anything.
rance has never ever done a good job on the big key forwards. he was basically loose man in defence on sunday third tall is his go he is very ordinary in 1v 1 situations imo.
mcintosh is a tall running player think andrew mackie when you think of a like for like. so basically a flanker with the added bonus of height and accountability if needed. hes quick enough with a great motor and good disposal skills.
is grant birchall a third tall or a tall hbf. will schofield at the eagles is a tall running player yep in recent times hes been asked to play third tall and kpp at times. thats mcintosh.
letys just say ben rutten is on our list for the purpose of showing what i think would be the ideal set up in defense.
morris - rutten - rance
vlastuin - astbury - mcintosh if he makes the grade,
Never beaten big forward?
John brown
Franklin
N riewokdt
Cameron
Pls
I think he's got you there claw. I'd call that a TKO! :lol
Claw my friend rance is rutten but a turbo charged newer version
You don't rate Astbury but I believe be is a better option than Chaplin. I hope a rance-Astbury- grimes back 3 can come good.
Fingers crossed on mcintosh. I'd be looking to mcdonuts and dea in the short term. Maybe also Lennon and McBean
I would like vlastuin in the middle. With miles and Conca. Deledio, Martin, cotchin are effective forwards
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Darrou will be the best of the lot.
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In the above scenario big Darrou is first cab off the rank to replace any of the three key defensive options.
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Must be rushed back ASAP as part of a finals charge.
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“David Astbury was probably winning our best and fairest before he went down. Dusty’s had an incredible season, Brandon Ellis has taken his game to the next level and we’ve found the young kid Miles, which is exciting for us,” Hardwick said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-31/development-a-positive-in-a-frustrating-season-hardwick
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I wouldn't go that far, but comfortably the most improved - didn't get a bag kicked on him and went through a patch where he kept Roughead, Cloke and someone else to a goal each whilst we were getting smashed. If he continues on in that vein it helps structure us up heaps
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I cant believe Dimma actually said this.David was playing ok,but leading our B&F..gee that's a big call
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Astbury is back on the training track ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-07/astbury-back-on-track
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Imagine if he was back in a 2 weeks. Vickery and Astbury plus Jackson and Conca. 4 very important players for Richmond.
Good bye to Thomas
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Astbury is back from injury and will play in the VFL this week :thumbsup.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-08-21/astbury-returns
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Astbury is back from injury and will play in the VFL this week :thumbsup.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-08-21/astbury-returns
Great news
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Astbury is back from injury and will play in the VFL this week :thumbsup.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-08-21/astbury-returns
Great news
Will be cherry ripe for week one of finals
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Will back the medicos as we never know the full details but seems a bit rushed
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Not sure of the logic behind it TBH
VFL season finishes this week, so he gets to play one game and then .....
Well it would be strange if they took him up to Sydney to play on the dodgy ANZ stadium surface after only one VFL game of limited game time
But then again. :whistle
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Drop Chaplin for astbury second week of finals
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David Astbury @dastbury12 twitter:
"Thanks for the well wishes for my first game back, it's been awesome. Got through unscathed, felt great, and have pulled up really well!"
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Morris talking about Astbury coming back from his knee injury ....
“For a big guy, his fitness is outstanding. He’s running the best times that he’s ever run, so that’s a great indication that his knee’s come back, and he’s back at the top of his game.
“Fingers crossed he can stay sound because he certainly is a big boy that can do extremely good things on the footy field.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-02-12/astbury-at-the-ready
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It's official then, having his best preseason ever.
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Going to be even more imoportant in 2016....
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Dave’s delight
richmondfc.com.au
February 17, 2015
“It’s been a long time since Round 9, 2014, when I dislocated my kneecap, but I think I’m on track to make a senior return early in the year.
“Physically I feel really good. I’ve got full confidence in my knee, I’ve been training with some of the best defenders in the competition, and playing on some of the best forwards in Jack (Riewoldt).
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-02-17/daves-delight
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Should be prepped for round one. If Rance is off then play him in the seconds and play Astbury in Rances role.
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Should be prepped for round one. If Rance is off then play him in the seconds and play Astbury in Rances role.
Good idea, if were tanking may as well play Hampson as ruck rover as well
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Should be prepped for round one. If Rance is off then play him in the seconds and play Astbury in Rances role.
Good idea, if were tanking may as well play Hampson as ruck rover as well
No way. Hampson should play pretty as a mid.
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Who does he take in round 1
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Who does he take in round 1
Henderson
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Should be prepped for round one. If Rance is off then play him in the seconds and play Astbury in Rances role.
Wha?
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David Astbury @dastbury12 twitter:
"I'm 100% good to go. Named a few guys that didn't play. See you NAB 2."
https://twitter.com/dastbury12/status/571603470567919616
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Who does he take in round 1
take your pick henderson jones but most likely casboult. rance will get henderson and chappy the easy task in jones.
me id play henderson at chb and go with jones casboult and jaksch fwd. out side of riewoldt their tall fwds are no worse than ours.
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This kid has real upside
Astbury - forward
Griffith's - CHB
Chaplin knackery
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I'm not a massive fan of Dave's but while Griff is out of the side, I'd play Astbury at CHF as he does hit up pretty well. I definitely think it's his best chance of getting a senior game.
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Wasn't he drafted as a forward?
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Yes he was drafted as a forward.
Griff at CHB, please, FFS, been tried didnt work.
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In the best again
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Yes he was drafted as a forward.
Griff at CHB, please, FFS, been tried didnt work.
astbury elton mcbean griff
Chaplin is a hack
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Arsebury makes Chaplin look like Jakovich....
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"look like rance"
:shh
get with the times
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Translation:
Having Chaplin in the side is like having two of Rance. :shh
:shh
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Deserves a go in the seniors. Has played consistently well in the VFL since return from injury.
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Chappy is a hack
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Chappy is a hack
He's a Hack happy Chappy with a slap happy Pappy😉
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Trade for Yarran
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Actually think Astbury is an obvious player to put up for trade
Not sure what you'd get but would certainly put his name up
Long term I think Elton is ahead of him now
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Actually think Astbury is an obvious player to put up for trade
Not sure what you'd get but would certainly put his name up
Long term I think Elton is ahead of him now
Have to disagree. Astbury is ahead of Elton. Astbury has shown that he can play at both ends and has shown at least last year that he is capable of playing AFL football. To date Elton has not shown that and I hope he does.
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Astbury is too slow I reckon. Not just moving but thinking and reading the play
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Looked real good for a patch last year, but he's looked awful in his brief time in the 1s this year.
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Not sure the deal with Elton. Not excited on him (admittedly based on the little I've seen) but somehow got a 2 year extension
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Was coming off extended time out from injury, was slow to come on early in the year , hitting his straps now, just isn't a spot for him. Important for depth to have a kpp back up :shh
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Not sure the deal with Elton. Not excited on him (admittedly based on the little I've seen) but somehow got a 2 year extension
i like Todd. Provides a tall option down back which we lack. If Chaplin is injured he should come in.
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Not sure the deal with Elton. Not excited on him (admittedly based on the little I've seen) but somehow got a 2 year extension
i like Todd. Provides a tall option down back which we lack. If Chaplin is injured he should come in.
Does that deserve two years though?
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Not sure the deal with Elton. Not excited on him (admittedly based on the little I've seen) but somehow got a 2 year extension
i like Todd. Provides a tall option down back which we lack. If Chaplin is injured he should come in.
Does that deserve two years though?
One year is nothing, so two is ok.
Has done everything asked of him and regularly has shut down opposition forwards in the VFL. Not his fault that the back six in the senior level has been fixed. He and Matt Dea have been unlucky not to be played this year. So I think the club has rewarded him for his commitment.
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yeah totally crrect I don't think Elton is what we need specially on a 2 year deal he has been in the system a while and u would think hed be pushing for selection but don't even think he has been mentioned as a emergency as yet.. For dea I think it is time we moved him on and id be very surprised he is still at the club next year.
GO U TIGERS :thumbsup :thumbsup
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One year is nothing,
Seems fitting for someone who has shown basically nothing.
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Improving Richmond defender David Astbury set for thumb surgery
AFL.com.au
February 23, 2016
RICHMOND defender David Astbury will undergo minor thumb surgery after suffering ligament damage during last Friday's NAB Challenge clash against Fremantle.
Astbury, who has been one of the Tigers' standout performers this pre-season, suffered the injury in a contest with Matthew Pavlich when he went to ground.
He will be sidelined at least for Saturday's clash Hawthorn, but the club is hopeful he will return shortly, likely before the Tigers' round one clash against Carlton on March 24.
"He had some ligament damage and will need minor surgery," physical performance manager Peter Burge told the club's website.
"He’ll definitely miss this weekend, but he should be back pretty soon.”
Astbury, who struggled for form and played just four games last season, has emerged as the club's best option to support Alex Rance in the key defensive posts this pre-season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-23/improving-richmond-defender-david-astbury-set-for-thumb-surgery
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Injured again . It's as if God wants Chapman to play.
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Aww god
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Injured again . It's as if God wants Chapman to play.
Mr. Positive - staunch supporter, backs our boys, can't remember their names... :shh
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Thanks Diocletian ,it's long been an ambition of mine to become someone's signature.
You have made my day ;D :thumbsup :cheers
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"Improving"
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Ligament damage can take a while to heal..... :shh
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This kid cannot take a trick :banghead :scream
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Injured again . It's as if God wants Chapman to play.
Mr. Positive - staunch supporter, backs our boys, can't remember their names... :shh
You come from such a position of credibility when posting sarcastically about ones optimism ::)
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Ligament damage can take a while to heal..... :shh
Just cut the thumb off
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Carlton would of won if Chaplin played
Serious
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not if he played for them
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Played very well last night and really supported Rance well.
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Played very well last night and really supported Rance well.
Really? :huh
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Played very well last night and really supported Rance well.
Really? :huh
:huh
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Played very well last night and really supported Rance well.
Really? :huh
really well... I think
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Had to be there I suppose. :snidegrin
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He was better than Chaplin....not that that's a ringing endorsement.....to be honest I barely noticed him....maybe, as with umpires, that's sometimes a good thing for a defender....
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Just watching the reply now. Even The commentators said he was good.
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Astbury needs to have a decent block of games but I'm not convinced he is a better option than Chaplin or Batchelor.
Happy to be proven wrong.
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Thought he took a couple of telling marks at crucial times in the game and for the most part didnt have many clangers compared to the rest of the team. The more he plays the better he will get but I fear he is another of these injury fragile players who never really reach their full potential. Chaplin on the other hand is passable on his good days but diabolical on his other days and basically costs us games with his clangers.
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Just watching the reply now. Even The commentators said he was good.
classic wat lol
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A positive from last's nights win!
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geez, drawing positives from a win?
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Astbury needs to have a decent block of games but I'm not convinced he is a better option than Chaplin or Batchelor.
Happy to be proven wrong.
but your a bit of a space monkey :laugh:
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Thought he was ok. Can someone who was at the game comment on whether he loses his man sometimes? Twice Casboult was all on his own in the forward 50. Might have been a case of poor zoning/ team defence.
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Thought he was ok. Can someone who was at the game comment on whether he loses his man sometimes? Twice Casboult was all on his own in the forward 50. Might have been a case of poor zoning/ team defence.
Was OK. I am not a fan but thought he was ok.
But yes lost his opponent a number times but also his decisions to zone off at times were poor. Times he didn't he should have. Times he did he shouldn't have
Also, showed a giant he is slow in making decisions and moving the ball
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Thought he was ok. Can someone who was at the game comment on whether he loses his man sometimes? Twice Casboult was all on his own in the forward 50. Might have been a case of poor zoning/ team defence.
Was OK. I am not a fan but thought he was ok.
But yes lost his opponent a number times but also his decisions to zone off at times were poor. Times he didn't he should have. Times he did he shouldn't have
Also, showed a giant he is slow in making decisions and moving the ball
I was at the game with a couple of mates on Thursday night and one is a bit of a wrap for Dave and every time he lost his man I'd nudge my mate and say "is that your man again?"
Fair to say my mate's side was a bit sore after the game.
But Dave also did some good stuff too and I got a few nudges myself.
While he is fit, play him and let's just see if he can improve. He could be important against teams with a Casboult or Cloke in them but should be left out of the side if he doesn't have a match up.
I also think the same about Morris, he should be played against sides with really dangerous small forwards like Adelaide and Freeo as he is by far our best stopper on these sorts of guys.
Dimma needs to not be afraid to drop or bring guys in for different sides and needs.
The thing that really stood out for me the other night is nothing really had changed with our game plan/style or even our set ups. All our forwards still all gather at the 50m arch at a goal or start of a quarter which frustrates the hell out of me. No other side I have watched does this. Spread them out FFS! Get some isolation!!
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Boost his trade value
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There was good and bad in his game, took a couple of telling intercept marks but also got caught ball watching and lost his man in traffic. Happy to give him the benefit of the doubt at this stage as it's his first senior game in a while and hope he improves as he gets more games under the belt
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I think TM and BT make good points.
I wonder why the big Assberry doesn't play forward?
He's a much better one on one mark that Ty or Big Benny.
I think the way our talls play in the forward line hurts our i50 disposal - we tend to bomb it in and Jack/Ty/Big Ben aren't naturally good at one n one contested marking.
Reckon the big Assberry could give us something there.
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Just to play Devils advocate...
IF IT AIN'T BROKE , WHY FIX IT ?
Last year Richmond had the 3rd best defence in the competition. Sure there are some individuals with limited capabilities but as a unit the backline was very effective.
The backline on Thursday lacked the same "chemistry" and looked incredibly suspect at times.
I think our chances of beating Collingwood are improved if Chaplin and Batchelor return to the backline.
I don't know where that leaves Astbury.
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Just to play Devils advocate...
IF IT AIN'T BROKE , WHY FIX IT ?
Last year Richmond had the 3rd best defence in the competition. Sure there are some individuals with limited capabilities but as a unit the backline was very effective.
The backline on Thursday lacked the same "chemistry" and looked incredibly suspect at times.
I think our chances of beating Collingwood are improved if Chaplin and Batchelor return to the backline.
I don't know where that leaves Astbury.
agree
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Coach has NFI
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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@Big Tone - the huddle on the F50 arc you pointed out is something I think is pretty clever actually! The fact that no other side does it doesn't make it a poor set up, if anything it makes us unique. Its the best way to combat the zone defence epidemic going on in the league. Gathering our forwards in a huddle also gathers up all the would-be 'zoners' which breaks up their defensive structure & opens up the whole F50. If we gain a centre break the huddle can split & offer up a number of options with each lead going into clear space instead of running into 'zoners'.
Our iffy execution of the plan is one thing we can talk about, it all falls down if we don't get a clean hit out & clear possession in the middle (which comes back to our rucks effectiveness), but the huddle plan itself has merit IMO.
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Was a tower of strength at Chb and will form a dynamic tandem duo with the best defender in the league rancer , :clapping
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Until we pee him and Chappy off and get Hurley & Tomlinson.... :clapping
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Until we pee him and Chappy off and get Hurley & Tomlinson.... :clapping
Or anyone else who is at least a half decent footballer
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I think TM and BT make good points.
I wonder why the big Assberry doesn't play forward?
He's a much better one on one mark that Ty or Big Benny.
I think the way our talls play in the forward line hurts our i50 disposal - we tend to bomb it in and Jack/Ty/Big Ben aren't naturally good at one n one contested marking.
Reckon the big Assberry could give us something there.
Jack's not naturally good at one on one contested marking?
Really?
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@Big Tone - the huddle on the F50 arc you pointed out is something I think is pretty clever actually! The fact that no other side does it doesn't make it a poor set up, if anything it makes us unique. Its the best way to combat the zone defence epidemic going on in the league. Gathering our forwards in a huddle also gathers up all the would-be 'zoners' which breaks up their defensive structure & opens up the whole F50. If we gain a centre break the huddle can split & offer up a number of options with each lead going into clear space instead of running into 'zoners'.
Our iffy execution of the plan is one thing we can talk about, it all falls down if we don't get a clean hit out & clear possession in the middle (which comes back to our rucks effectiveness), but the huddle plan itself has merit IMO.
All the huddle does is let the opposition get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th man up if there is a quick kick out of the middle and a chance to block our leads. There isn't many times if any in a game where we get a clean clearance and have time to wait for a lateral lead from this huddle. I cannot remember any from Thursday nights game.
All most key position forwards want is a one on one contest. And it's a coaches job IMO to try and create that.
Even if what you say is correct, why not have someone leading from the goal square with room in front of him. It gives us a second option to that sideways lead. Even if it only one forward and his opponent. If an opposition side want to drop an extra guy back in front of him it creates an even number in the huddle as we play one short in our forwardline.
And lastly, our forwardline has been a problem for a long time now, I think most would agree, maybe just maybe this isn't helping even if it is unique. 17 other teams coaches think that way and it's not like we have just started doing this. They have had time to analyze it and copy it if it was any good.
Anyway just my opinion.
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Just get Hurley .
Forget Astbury. Ship him off to Brisbane for pick 60 .
Forced retirement for Chappy at the end of the year.
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Just get Hurley .
Forget Astbury. Ship him off to Brisbane for pick 60 .
Forced retirement for Chappy at the end of the year.
Yep
Whatever it takes
Hurley and rance would be the best kpd duo in the league
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I think TM and BT make good points.
I wonder why the big Assberry doesn't play forward?
He's a much better one on one mark that Ty or Big Benny.
I think the way our talls play in the forward line hurts our i50 disposal - we tend to bomb it in and Jack/Ty/Big Ben aren't naturally good at one n one contested marking.
Reckon the big Assberry could give us something there.
Jack's not naturally good at one on one contested marking?
Really?
You really think he is?
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Ummmmmmm yeh
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If you're saying he's good when he can use his leap - maybe but when one out with a bigger defender then I'd disagree.
He's good at ground level, he's great when he leads and he is fantastic when leaping into a pack but I don't see him like I do a Taylor Walker when one out.
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when he won his first coleman they managed to isolate him one out for most of the season - he didnt crumb the majority of his goals like mcbean does.
if he engages in a wrestling match with a bigger bodied opponent before the ball gets into range he struggles, as do most players, and that is not what you specified.
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Just get Hurley .
Forget Astbury. Ship him off to Brisbane for pick 60 .
Forced retirement for Chappy at the end of the year.
package him with Griff and B Ellis for Jaeger or Dion..........
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In not sure if throwing more duds in the package is going to attract quality in return though
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when he won his first coleman they managed to isolate him one out for most of the season - he didnt crumb the majority of his goals like mcbean does.
if he engages in a wrestling match with a bigger bodied opponent before the ball gets into range he struggles, as do most players, and that is not what you specified.
It's pretty obvious though?
Do we need claw sized posts to over explain points made?
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no but if you are being specific, don't talk in general terms.
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no but if you are being specific, don't talk in general terms.
That's all relative, if you want to moderate a forum then set one up yourself
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lol
if you want people to understand what you mean, then write what you mean, not make vague statements and expect people to interpret it into something else
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:shh
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SNIP again
Enough to with the name calling and petty insults
Not interested who supposedly started it
Would also Suggest people keep their personal feuds off the forum
Or
All involved can take a forum enforced holiday
And finally a reminder accusing others of breaking posting rules eg accusing others of "trolling " is against the rules as well and those that continually do that face a suspension themselves
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funny stuff
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There was good and bad in his game, took a couple of telling intercept marks but also got caught ball watching and lost his man in traffic. Happy to give him the benefit of the doubt at this stage as it's his first senior game in a while and hope he improves as he gets more games under the belt
Fair comment.
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Vision of the incident that caused Astbury's ankle injury:
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2016-04-15/key-tiger-defenders-gruesome-injury
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Any news on him?
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Break
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Just get Hurley .
Forget Astbury. Ship him off to Brisbane for pick 60 .
Forced retirement for Chappy at the end of the year.
Yep
Whatever it takes
Hurley and rance would be the best kpd duo in the league
siunds good
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Astbury. What a dud
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Just get Hurley .
Forget Astbury. Ship him off to Brisbane for pick 60 .
Forced retirement for Chappy at the end of the year.
Yep
Whatever it takes
Hurley and rance would be the best kpd duo in the league
siunds good
Get grimes fit and it would be solid
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So what's the prognosis? Rolled ankle or worse?
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Worse
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Damn
Thanks yr
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Worse
Sorry, No going by ch7 news and the player himself likely to play this week
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Worse
Sorry, No going by ch7 news and the player himself likely to play this week
:bow
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He is certainly going better than what we have waiting in the wings and he is a tall that we need down back. He has at least had a go this year and supported Rance. Not far off clicking for him, the worst thing that could happen is that he gets dropped for one of Hardwicks clowns.
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Worse
Sorry, No going by ch7 news and the player himself likely to play this week
Yeah looks like my source was wrong on this one. Is usually pretty reliable when it comes to injuries ;D
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He is certainly going better than what we have waiting in the wings and he is a tall that we need down back. He has at least had a go this year and supported Rance. Not far off clicking for him, the worst thing that could happen is that he gets dropped for one of Hardwicks clowns.
That's shocking.
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Astbury. What a dud
totally agree
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> Chaplin
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Rance like :shh
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Great hands
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Played a great game but some will say he is the new Batchelor because of his shocking turnover in the 1st :shh
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Played very well tonight.
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Good signs tonight. I hope this becomes his base standard for here on in.
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:thumbsup solid
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Can he do it again and can he do it consistently? Playing for his career, very good game tonight
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I reckon he was a good defender before he was injured for ages, he just needs games to get there again
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Great game
Played to his strengths tonight
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Was ok, imroovement on what he normally delivers.
Needs to be the norm now, playing for his future I would think
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Astburys OK in my book needs some consistency of games
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Yes he did show better form tonight & went for the ball with confidence. Maybe that is what he was lacking before tonight game as he seemed to present & took some good telling marks. As long as his body holds up & he takes contested marks & moves the ball long & forward l'm happy. he was doing well befor injury & it does take some time for players to get back into playing the top level. Unlike some other clubs who pump their injured players with drugs & they comeback 1st game as superstars :snidegrin
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Hopefully increased his trrade value if only by a smidgen....if not...ok depth next year if one of Rance C.Moore or Hurley get injured...
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He won't get traded
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True. They have never tried it before aye??
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True. They have never tried it before aye??
Yep seriously injuries past few years
Back to where he should be now
Keep
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Sounds like Hurleys staying at bombers if little birdies speak true :(
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He won't get traded
He should be traded.
One good game every 3 years doesn't cut it, unless as some suggest you're T Cloke :snidegrin
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He won't get traded
He should be traded.
One good game every 3 years doesn't cut it, unless as some suggest you're T Cloke :snidegrin
His development was wrecked from giving Chaplin games week after week after week
Stability my ass
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He won't get traded
He should be traded.
One good game every 3 years doesn't cut it, unless as some suggest you're T Cloke :snidegrin
Thought he's played more okay games than bad, just no real good games
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If he was to leave the club
It was going to be last year
He is staying 😉
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Think he is getting better every game, took some very good marks last night.
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He won't get traded
He should be traded.
One good game every 3 years doesn't cut it, unless as some suggest you're T Cloke :snidegrin
Thought he's played more okay games than bad, just no real good games
Some very short memories here. Last year at the start when Rance and Lids were out both Griff and Astbury were the shinning lights as improvers. In fact there was talk that Astbury would be leading the B and f. Just getting back to that now. Keep for me.
Modify . I ment 2014 not last year.
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Wp has always been on his t@s
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He won't get traded
He should be traded.
One good game every 3 years doesn't cut it, unless as some suggest you're T Cloke :snidegrin
Thought he's played more okay games than bad, just no real good games
Some very short memories here. Last year at the start when Rance and Lids were out both Griff and Astbury were the shinning lights as improvers. In fact there was talk that Astbury would be leading the B and f. Just getting back to that now. Keep for me.
Modify . I ment 2014 not last year.
Totally agree
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He won't get traded
He should be traded.
One good game every 3 years doesn't cut it, unless as some suggest you're T Cloke :snidegrin
Thought he's played more okay games than bad, just no real good games
Some very short memories here. Last year at the start when Rance and Lids were out both Griff and Astbury were the shinning lights as improvers. In fact there was talk that Astbury would be leading the B and f. Just getting back to that now. Keep for me.
Modify . I ment 2014 not last year.
yes we all recall rnds 1-10 in 2014, was very good no denying that. But why has it taken until rnd 15 2016 to finally show that type of form again? and you cant use injury as an excuse, has had a good run at it the last 12 months playing plenty of vfl/afl games. For mine would need to play like this for the remiander of the season to survive the chop. Another injury and cut - cant have players taking 18 months to find their feet again, thats just crazy
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If he was to leave the club
It was going to be last year
He is staying 😉
Really?
If we are fair dinkum about improvement then the majority on our list shoild be on the trade table Astbury included
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He won't get traded
He should be traded.
One good game every 3 years doesn't cut it, unless as some suggest you're T Cloke :snidegrin
Thought he's played more okay games than bad, just no real good games
Some very short memories here. Last year at the start when Rance and Lids were out both Griff and Astbury were the shinning lights as improvers. In fact there was talk that Astbury would be leading the B and f. Just getting back to that now. Keep for me.
Modify . I ment 2014 not last year.
yes we all recall rnds 1-10 in 2014, was very good no denying that. But why has it taken until rnd 15 2016 to finally show that type of form again? and you cant use injury as an excuse, has had a good run at it the last 12 months playing plenty of vfl/afl games. For mine would need to play like this for the remiander of the season to survive the chop. Another injury and cut - cant have players taking 18 months to find their feet again, thats just crazy
Cause the moron coach dropped him all the time for his mate Chaplin year after year ...
Astbury has had some bad luck with injury and aggressive aquatic creatures yet you can hardly say he's been developed well. Like elton and McBean the long term planning is a shambles. Astbury getting towards his prime and we still don't know what we got , flirting to give him to leppa
... Almost 2017 and we are still looking for a full back , ruck , full forward let alone smalls
I Spose it's the fans fault - after all tey demanded a list full of list blockers that would scrap into 8th rather than build or a flag which could have taken somewhat longer.
Given the lack of quality an quantity KPP on the list (I reckon astbury good forward option)- talk of getting rid of him is bizarre IMO
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Its hard enough to come back from injury with out those stuffing aggressive aquatic creatures attacking you at your recovery sessions.
:lol
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Prefer to keep him but has to continue playing good football for rest of year otherwise I think the club will get rid of him. Last year played good football in VFL but was kept out of the side by the decision of the club to play Chaplin regardless of form.
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Been playing good football lately, look at his posessions
he didn't want to go last year when he was being pressured so unlikely to want to go this year
He's a terrific fellow and to trade a player when he's coming good doesn't make sense
The only knock for me on Dave he takes a lot of time to recover from injuries and get his confidence back. When he gets his confidence up he even looks quicker
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Good signs tonight. I hope this becomes his base standard for here on in.
agree
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Been playing good football lately, look at his posessions
he didn't want to go last year when he was being pressured so unlikely to want to go this year
He's a terrific fellow and to trade a player when he's coming good doesn't make sense
The only knock for me on Dave he takes a lot of time to recover from injuries and get his confidence back. When he gets his confidence up he even looks quicker
Off contract this year so he has no say on whether he stays. Club contorls whether he goes or stays (eg via delisitng)
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Yes, a contract is an agreement between two parties , I think we'll of Dave and he's just starting to come good again but it doesn't matter what I think as in the end, as the club and Dave will come to an agreement or they won't.
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Can anyone see him going on even if he went to another club?
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25 year old tall that's shown a bit from limited chance
Yeah I can see him goin on
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Agree
We won't get Hurley
Like the way he is playing at present
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Won't get hurley cause we will offer a money ball low offer
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Won't get hurley cause we will offer a money ball low offer
nah not lowball, we will offer market rate :clapping
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And then be shocked he went somewhere for an extra 100k
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Won't get hurley cause we will offer a money ball low offer
correct me if I'm wrong but I am sure he has resigned at Ess already
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Won't get hurley cause we will offer a money ball low offer
correct me if I'm wrong but I am sure he has resigned at Ess already
resigned or re-signed :rollin
I haven't heard anything to confirm. Blobbo reckons is likely #takeittothebank
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He won't get traded
He should be traded.
One good game every 3 years doesn't cut it, unless as some suggest you're T Cloke :snidegrin
Thought he's played more okay games than bad, just no real good games
Some very short memories here. Last year at the start when Rance and Lids were out both Griff and Astbury were the shinning lights as improvers. In fact there was talk that Astbury would be leading the B and f. Just getting back to that now. Keep for me.
Modify . I ment 2014 not last year.
yes we all recall rnds 1-10 in 2014, was very good no denying that. But why has it taken until rnd 15 2016 to finally show that type of form again? and you cant use injury as an excuse, has had a good run at it the last 12 months playing plenty of vfl/afl games. For mine would need to play like this for the remiander of the season to survive the chop. Another injury and cut - cant have players taking 18 months to find their feet again, thats just crazy
As a general rule, if a player misses a year/season due to injury, it will take a further year/season to get back to where they were when the injury happened.
An established player can still be passable in this time, but a kid who is trying to establish his spot is up against it particularly as he wont get a walk up start.
In daves case he doesnt seem to be able to get a run without injury, but i think he does offer something if he can remain fit. Another long term injury will probably be the end of him, though.
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with penelope, Arseberry was very good when in form and the freak only went past him due to injury. He will come good, has just been unlucky. Got some nice mitts.
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Got better as the game wore on, with repeated clunks.
Still needs to improve and be better under pressure when the ball is in general play
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Very good hands, took some excellent marks at telling times. Getting better and will be a key in the backline in future.
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The problem is we have 2 backmen prone to injury & a team can't carry that. Rance will breakdown at some stage as his body is getting battered holding the backline up. Dumbness comes with lack of game time & confidence & 1 player in Astbury is lacking the most confidence. Grimes goes in hard cause sometimes his brains go missing. So we have 2 dummies down there prone to injury. There comes a time when both of them are doing dumb things. Astbury does have very good hands. l'm on the fence with him as l'm 50/50 & beleive l have not seen his best football yet.
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Marked well - hoped Leppa was watching.....going ok but no Hurley.... :shh
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At least we know Astbury is never going to attempt to tap dance around a small nippy forward in an Elimination final.
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Love how he's learnt to not look at the ball when his kicking it. Now if only he'd do the same when marking he'd be a complete player
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Given Chaplin is gone I think we need to consider drafting another key position backman unless Elton proves he is good enough to play at an AFL level. Elton needs to be given a chance to see whether he is good enough. Astbury and Grimes are playing okay at the moment but if one of them becomes injured too much pressure will be placed on Rance.
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What's his kicking for goal like?
I'd play him in the forward line, he's almost our best mark behind Rance and Jack
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What's his kicking for goal like?
I'd play him in the forward line, he's almost our best mark behind Rance and Jack
Kicked 3 straight on debut,obviously still improving his defensive pressure in the backline.
:whistle
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What's his kicking for goal like?
I'd play him in the forward line, he's almost our best mark behind Rance and Jack
Think he's a better mark than Rance.
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Absolute liability
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Does some great things but his kicking action is like watching slow motion. Needs to use first option every single time.
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Unfortunately he's all thats left on the shelf.
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Has Chaplain been training him on how to stuff up a disposal or something? He is great at intercepting but the stuffs about, dithers and turns the thing over...
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Has Chaplain been training him on how to stuff up a disposal or something? He is great at intercepting but the stuffs about, dithers and turns the thing over...
:lol yeh he will take us to the promised land
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Time to give Reggie Dwight another run...ffs.....surely we can elevate Chol or Moore now too...
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He has been good but today he lacked confidence and was intimidated by the Hawks.
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All that was missing was the Benny Hill music.
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Terrific, just terrific TM
Proved today that against quality opposition he is ordinary, actually make that extremely poor.
He will get another contract but id trade him for anything
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Wouldn't have kicked it into the man on the mark if he'd remember not to look at the ball when kicking
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Terrific, just terrific TM
Proved today that against quality opposition he is ordinary, actually make that extremely poor.
He will get another contract but id trade him for anything
Agree
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Appauling.
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Was like so many in the team poor
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Went to water when the heat was on.
Trade.
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Terrific, just terrific TM
Proved today that against quality opposition he is ordinary, actually make that extremely poor.
He will get another contract but id trade him for anything
Agree
Is elton still alive?
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Terrific, just terrific TM
Proved today that against quality opposition he is ordinary, actually make that extremely poor.
He will get another contract but id trade him for anything
Agree
Is elton still alive?
Named in reserve's best..... :shh
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That Astbury "moment " on Sunday was right up there with the great Chaplin fiasco of 2015.
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That Astbury "moment " on Sunday was right up there with the great Chaplin fiasco of 2015.
Not even close. One game meant nothing win or lose the other game was a final, enough said.
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That Astbury "moment " on Sunday was right up there with the great Chaplin fiasco of 2015.
Not even close. One game meant nothing win or lose the other game was a final, enough said.
Correct.
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That Astbury "moment " on Sunday was right up there with the great Chaplin fiasco of 2015.
Not even close. One game meant nothing win or lose the other game was a final, enough said.
actually I agree with mat, it was a preview into how he would stand up(or not!) in finals pressure - not up to it
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That Astbury "moment " on Sunday was right up there with the great Chaplin fiasco of 2015.
Not even close. One game meant nothing win or lose the other game was a final, enough said.
Agree. Furthermore in the north gam we had a chance to win. Against the Hawks the only reason we were close at that stage was because Hawthorn were missing sitters.
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That Astbury "moment " on Sunday was right up there with the great Chaplin fiasco of 2015.
Not even close. One game meant nothing win or lose the other game was a final, enough said.
actually I agree with mat, it was a preview into how he would stand up(or not!) in finals pressure - not up to it
Seriously TM? I recall Lids doing the almost exact same thing to Luke Hodge I think one game last year but that didn't stop Hodge from performing come finals time.
That said I don't think Arsebury is the answer as a player but the incident is nowhere near the same because finals are where either legends are born ie Scotty turner & Matty Knights or still questioned ie. Cotchin
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That Astbury "moment " on Sunday was right up there with the great Chaplin fiasco of 2015.
Not even close. One game meant nothing win or lose the other game was a final, enough said.
actually I agree with mat, it was a preview into how he would stand up(or not!) in finals pressure - not up to it
Seriously TM? I recall Lids doing the almost exact same thing to Luke Hodge I think one game last year but that didn't stop Hodge from performing come finals time.
That said I don't think Arsebury is the answer as a player but the incident is nowhere near the same because finals are where either legends are born ie Scotty turner & Matty Knights or still questioned ie. Cotchin
Yep seriously, key difference being - it was an isolated incident with Hodge, whereas we've seen it from astbury before - multiple times... The hawks brought higher intensity than we've seen for a few weeks, astbury and griff were exposed, can only imagine what theyd be like in finals where the pressure and intenisty are even greater
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Send him forward. Good mitts and not a liability up there. Not to mention I don't agree with how tall we go. Don't think you can play with 3 200cm+ players (unless they are all exceptionally good)
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(https://s31.postimg.org/434muzw23/image.jpg)
He's gonna need a few new pairs after tonight :rollin
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:lol
Guys, hes not good enough. One thing you look for in players is whether they can stand up when the heat is on - he crumbles and goes to pieces, counted 5 massive blunders where he just crapped himself making comical unforced errors under pressure. We need a 2nd KPD and we need one badly bc this bloke isnt the answer
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The reality is this.
We have just two key backs - Rance and Astbury.
Before the game last night when Astbury was dodgy with a hammy you look at the options and it's just Grimes.
If either gets injured or plays poorly then we have no options except maybe Grimes or Batchelor before a totally immature Elton.
The same is true of key forwards (Jack) Ty, Ben and Liam all unworthy of selection on form.
Same is true of rucks. We have Hampson and a part time Griffith. Ivan is done and Ty is useless.
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The reality is this.
We have just two key backs - Rance and Astbury.
Before the game last night when Astbury was dodgy with a hammy you look at the options and it's just Grimes.
If either gets injured or plays poorly then we have no options except maybe Grimes or Batchelor before a totally immature Elton.
The same is true of key forwards (Jack) Ty, Ben and Liam all unworthy of selection on form.
Same is true of rucks. We have Hampson and a part time Griffith. Ivan is done and Ty is useless.
Fair and accurate I think
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Seemed as though nearly every play down back Rance wasn't involved was a heart in mouth shemozzle.....but yeah...who needs Hurley eh?
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Will get another contract
Simple as that really
Terrific, just terrificTM
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Reckon you can see enough of his good traits to ponder just where he'd be at if not for the unlucky run of injuries.
Some players won't ever be the same again once they've lost confidence in their body but Daves going OK IMO.
Made some ordinary decisions and shanked a couple of kicks but all in all is going well for a big bloke thats on the comeback from 2 knee injuries.
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Will get another contract
Simple as that really
Terrific, just terrificTM
Says more about the depth of our KPPs than anything else. :whistle
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Will get another contract
Simple as that really
Terrific, just terrificTM
Says more about the depth of our KPPs than anything else. :whistle
Yep
No point hating on astbury
Hands are tied with no other options outside elton who is not given a go
And c moore rookie listed player
The clubs done it to themself with rubbish list management
Would of be worth getting Carlisle for the long term cause. Or hurley.
Poor rance.
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Playing Chaplins role and doing it much better. That's a start isn't it :-\
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Aiming very low isn't it
Given the injury history of grimes and astbury - it makes the current KdP situation even more brain dead.
Don't agree with everything johno brown says - yet he's on te money with "the problem is .... Richmonds drafting key position player history "
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He can take a decent mark but that is about as good as it gets for Dave.
poo by foot and even worse with his decision making.
After 7 years he averages 8 games a year. Simply not good enough.
Trade IMO. Enough is enough.
I'd rather go with guys like Rance, Grimes, McIntosh, Broad and C. Moore as our backs next year. (And hopefully Hurley)
We need guys that can defend but we also need good decision makers and good kicks.
The Bulldogs are a good example of the way the game has gone with defenders. They are not overly tall down back but they all run and create. Dave unfortunately doesn't.
Time to move Dave on.
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14 marks against Collingwood is a very good to excellent!
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Know he's had stints forward at times but he should be given a chunk of games in the forward line. What's there to lose? Oh that's right, apparently our forwards have to be 200cm+ except for Jack :banghead
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He can take a decent mark but that is about as good as it gets for Dave.
poo by foot and even worse with his decision making.
After 7 years he averages 8 games a year. Simply not good enough.
Trade IMO. Enough is enough.
I'd rather go with guys like Rance, Grimes, McIntosh, Broad and C. Moore as our backs next year. (And hopefully Hurley)
We need guys that can defend but we also need good decision makers and good kicks.
The Bulldogs are a good example of the way the game has gone with defenders. They are not overly tall down back but they all run and create. Dave unfortunately doesn't.
Time to move Dave on.
spot on BT, this fear that we must keep X player bc we dont have anything else is the exact mindset that has been holding us back for years. Its this mindset that keeps us hanging onto players like grigg, Houli, Vickery, Griff etc and continuing to play them ahead of the kids. Buck the trend, do something different and see what happens, who knows we may just unearth a gem or two like castagna and Short this season
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Key defenders are different however
A spud like Chaplin can be disaster.
Why have c moore or elton not been tried...
Pruning year bollocks
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He can take a decent mark but that is about as good as it gets for Dave.
poo by foot and even worse with his decision making.
After 7 years he averages 8 games a year. Simply not good enough.
Trade IMO. Enough is enough.
I'd rather go with guys like Rance, Grimes, McIntosh, Broad and C. Moore as our backs next year. (And hopefully Hurley)
We need guys that can defend but we also need good decision makers and good kicks.
The Bulldogs are a good example of the way the game has gone with defenders. They are not overly tall down back but they all run and create. Dave unfortunately doesn't.
Time to move Dave on.
spot on BT, this fear that we must keep X player bc we dont have anything else is the exact mindset that has been holding us back for years. Its this mindset that keeps us hanging onto players like grigg, Houli, Vickery, Griff etc and continuing to play them ahead of the kids. Buck the trend, do something different and see what happens, who knows we may just unearth a gem or two like castagna and Short this season
Agree with both of you re Astbury, would trade in a millisecond
But reckon rather than doing that they will give him another contract
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The bloke has been out for ages with injury and needs a chance to get back into it. I reckon he has something to offer
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He can take a decent mark but that is about as good as it gets for Dave.
poo by foot and even worse with his decision making.
After 7 years he averages 8 games a year. Simply not good enough.
Trade IMO. Enough is enough.
I'd rather go with guys like Rance, Grimes, McIntosh, Broad and C. Moore as our backs next year. (And hopefully Hurley)
We need guys that can defend but we also need good decision makers and good kicks.
The Bulldogs are a good example of the way the game has gone with defenders. They are not overly tall down back but they all run and create. Dave unfortunately doesn't.
Time to move Dave on.
spot on BT, this fear that we must keep X player bc we dont have anything else is the exact mindset that has been holding us back for years. Its this mindset that keeps us hanging onto players like grigg, Houli, Vickery, Griff etc and continuing to play them ahead of the kids. Buck the trend, do something different and see what happens, who knows we may just unearth a gem or two like castagna and Short this season
When or if Broad and C. Moore can improve their kicking to a standard that is acceptable then they will improve our defense. C. Moore has so much upside and could be something next year and beyond.
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It's worrying so much of the future is staked on a rookie listed kid that's played zero games
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The bloke has been out for ages with injury and needs a chance to get back into it. I reckon he has something to offer
Agree. Very good mark. Needs to work on his decision marking but that can be improved upon with good coaching.
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He was a junior forward. His main strength is his contested marking. His weakness is his slow decision making to get the ball moving from defence. I wonder how long it will take Hardwick to realise he might add value as a deep forward?
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He was a junior forward. His main strength is his contested marking. His weakness is his slow decision making to get the ball moving from defence. I wonder how long it will take Hardwick to realise he might add value as a deep forward?
He's not 200cm+ so Dimma won't play him there
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The bloke has been out for ages with injury and needs a chance to get back into it. I reckon he has something to offer
Agree. Very good mark. Needs to work on his decision marking but that can be improved upon with good coaching.
After 7 seasons, if he haven't improved his decision making the best decision is to simply cut our loses.
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The bloke has been out for ages with injury and needs a chance to get back into it. I reckon he has something to offer
Agree. Very good mark. Needs to work on his decision marking but that can be improved upon with good coaching.
After 7 seasons, if he haven't improved his decision making the best decision is to simply cut our loses.
:clapping :clapping
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I don't mind Astbury. He has been absolutely crueller by injury.
I actually think he is not a key position back. If he plays back at all, he should be on the third tall. If there is no third tall, he either plays in the twos or we swing him forward. He is an excellent mark - something we lack quite a bit.
I just don't think we play him to his strengths and we definitely have not developed him well.
For all of that, I would trade him and make room for another guy who could do better. Just another career destroyed by Tigeritis. ;D
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7 years and still has no clue what to do.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
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give him another few years
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Worthy of a new thread
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Worthy of a new thread
Find the other thread. I couldn't.
Is as lost as David himself
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Give him a couple more years and this is how he repays us
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I have faith! Three years to not prove me wrong
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He did fight back well after being pantsed by Bruce early.
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WHAT he got a 3 year extension is this club for real. l not been following the club this week but if that is true this club is stuffed :banghead
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Astbury on RSN ...
There are high hopes with Richmond's David Astbury in 2017. The Tigers play their first game on Friday night against the Crows.
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/posts/5636741-david-astbury-richmond-fc
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Talented Richmond tall key defender Dave Astbury is approaching the 2017 season with renewed confidence, on the back of some long-awaited, sustained football last year.
Astbury managed to string together 19 games in 2016 – the most of his seven-year AFL career.
He had endured a horror injury run, after playing 17 senior games in an impressive 2010 debut season with the Tigers.
In the five seasons that followed, Astbury was restricted to just 24 appearances at the game’s highest level, primarily because of a spate of injuries.
Become a member before February 28 and you will BEAT THE PRICE RISE!
But in 2016, Astbury finally cast aside his injury woes, to become a valuable contributor in Richmond’s back half, averaging 13.5 disposals and 6.7 marks per game.
He was ranked fourth among the Tigers’ playing group for total marks, and 15th in the AFL competition for marks per game.
“The continuity that I got in 2016 was the most important thing,” Astbury said on RSN.
“Once you get a few games under your belt, you get a bit more confident.
“The back half of the year, I started to perform at the level I know I can.
“It was a big step forward, but now very much looking forward to 2017.”
Astbury, who turns 26 on Sunday (February 26), feels “in really good shape” to tackle the 2017 season . . .
“It is the first off-season, where I haven’t had to undergo surgery,” he said.
“It was really good to get a good off-season training block to prepare myself for the pre-season.
“So far this pre-season, touchwood, it’s been pretty seamless.
“I’ve had my best pre-season to date.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-02-24/all-good-for-astbury
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26 years old - and still waiting for him to play at an "average" AFL standard.
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26 years old - and still waiting for him to play at an "average" AFL standard.
And people wonder why we remain mediocre....
Nothing against David of course because it's not his fault he as been injured and also it's not his fault he has been retained by the club. However, to this point he hasn't showed the temperament of a premiership backman. He is a slow decision maker and his disposal and pace are not first class.
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I thought he was serviceable tonight. My main issue is with his decision making with ball in hand.
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I thought he was serviceable tonight. My main issue is with his decision making with ball in hand.
Better than serviceable he was fantastic tonight!
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Yep Arsenerry was really good tonight. Outmuscled Tex.
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Been waiting for this guy to get back to what he was before the injury. I just hope he takes this into the season proper.
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I'm not convinced.
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Still very much up the proverbial if Rance goes down....
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Good game. But geez he's slow. Slow reflexes in general play too. Worries me.
Hoping last nights effort in the new standard and he doesn't play on a more mobile fwd during the year.
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Classic negator who has the tools to play on a Tex type and do a shut down job, if and when the ball is coming into the FL like a ball comes into a FL in the JLT series. Unfortunately has been found out to many times when the whips a cracking and is just to slow of mind and foot to be able to be anything otherr than a servicable player who every now and then has a good game. Treading water with these types, but at this stage it is what it is. Its quite hilarious the amount of complete and utter FUs the brains trust has had to persist with to hide its ineptitude. I mean who on earth prematurely ejaculated and said this guy was the next Richo? lmaoooo FFS.
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Classic negator who has the tools to play on a Tex type and do a shut down job, if and when the ball is coming into the FL like a ball comes into a FL in the JLT series. Unfortunately has been found out to many times when the whips a cracking and is just to slow of mind and foot to be able to be anything otherr than a servicable player who every now and then has a good game. Treading water with these types, but at this stage it is what it is. Its quite hilarious the amount of complete and utter FUs the brains trust has had to persist with to hide its ineptitude. I mean who on earth prematurely ejaculated and said this guy was the next Richo? lmaoooo FFS.f
Wasn't it Richo himself? :shh
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Classic negator who has the tools to play on a Tex type and do a shut down job, if and when the ball is coming into the FL like a ball comes into a FL in the JLT series. Unfortunately has been found out to many times when the whips a cracking and is just to slow of mind and foot to be able to be anything otherr than a servicable player who every now and then has a good game. Treading water with these types, but at this stage it is what it is. Its quite hilarious the amount of complete and utter FUs the brains trust has had to persist with to hide its ineptitude. I mean who on earth prematurely ejaculated and said this guy was the next Richo? lmaoooo FFS.
You are spot on with what he can do.
But are we smart enough and brave enough to leave him out of the side when there isn't a "Tex" type match up? I think we all know the answer...
We need players that can defend but they also need to be able to contribute on the way out and unfortunately Dave is not good enough.
I'd try him forward again as he has reasonable hands when he has a bit of confidence. And I dont think he could be any worse than Griffiths.
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As someone said, he's a pretty good negator 1v1 but his zoning is pathetic.
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Astbury adapts
richmondfc.com.au
March 30, 2017
Key Richmond defender David Astbury has outlined how he’s adjusting to the Tigers’ new, attacking game plan.
“I suppose it’s all about playing to what your strengths are. Obviously, I’m probably never going to be Bachar Houli kicking it 60 metres out of the defensive-50, but I’ve got some framework that I work within,” Astbury said.
“Everyone needs to play by the team rules and keep the ball moving . . .
“Nothing really changes for me. I’m a defender first.
“I don’t think rebounding defender will ever be thrown up with my name . . .
“It’s about getting your head around moving the ball a little bit more fluidly, which is going to present more opportunities to score, and then that’s going to put more pressure on the opposition,” he said.
“So, as a backline, if we’re (the overall team) kicking goals, we’re going to stay happy.”
Astbury, who is coming off an AFL career-high 19 games last year, following a frustrating run of injuries previous to that, is feeling fit and fresh at the start of season 2017.
“I’m really happy to be healthy and part of the backline and part of this football side,” he said.
“It’s a really exciting, good place to be . . . I’m just enjoying playing senior footy at the moment.
“I’m definitely diligent with my body and making sure I front up each week . . .”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-03-30/astbury-adapts
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looks slow as poo to me
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looks slow as poo to me
Yep
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Amen to that. Hard to believe he is in the side and there isnt someone better. He just gets caught mentally behind the play.
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Hopefully grooming Moore to take his place.....otherwise - Jackson Trengove next year please.....need to add at least three or four KPP's to our list...
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Continued his stellar early season form :clapping :clapping
:sarcasm2
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Is no better than old man Chappy . At least he has youth on his side .
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Is no better than old man Chappy . At least he has youth on his side .
Chappy being old was an excuse for being slow.
Astbury is slower than treacle
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... but it was his unheralded partner-in-crime David Astbury who spent the day alongside the sharpshooting Eagle Josh Kennedy. Astbury did a solid job, too, restricting Kennedy to two majors from only three scoring shots.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-08/five-talking-points-richmond-v-west-coast
Rance after the game today called Astbury our "No.1 defender who gets the big forward" and that Dave allows Rance to do his thing.
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Is no better than old man Chappy . At least he has youth on his side .
Hahahaha
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Better today.
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Words that come to mind when I look at Astbury.
Imposing.
Courageous.
Intelligent.
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Stingray.
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As WP said in the game thread. Credit where it's due for Dave.
Still early days this season but he's been good so far.
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Been very good
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Dave was very good. Brisbane with arguably the weakest kpp stocks in the league though a this point.
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Breakdown looming. Playing well though. Still think he kicks terribly but he's been making good spoils and taking grabs.
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Breakdown looming. Playing well though. Still think he kicks terribly but he's been making good spoils and taking grabs.
Why is a breakdown looming?
All players risk injury when they play.
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Retract my comment that he was no better than Chaplin.
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Retract my comment that he was no better than Chaplin.
Don't retract too early , he hasn't played on a decent forward yet and we haven't played a decent side yet (apart from WC)
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He may just be the reason we beat Adelaide.
:thumbsup
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Retract my comment that he was no better than Chaplin.
Don't retract too early , he hasn't played on a decent forward yet and we haven't played a decent side yet (apart from WC)
Played on JK
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Once of Dave's best games I'd thought. Seems the stats back that up - 19 disp (8 contested, 94% eff), 10 marks (4 contested), 5 1%ers & 3 R50s.
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Very good
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Agree
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Very good tonight, my only criticism is that he sometimes seems to still be in 2016 mode and automatically goes back on his mark rather than looking to move it quickly. Other than that i think he is very solid and he and Rance have formed a formidable partnership at the back. Just a shame we don't have a Johannisen or someone similar who can cut through and make more of their intercept marking. Real shame about Yarran as that would have been his role but we need to find someone with some genuine pace to do the job, Markov could also be that player in the future.
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His lockdown work is sensational. He doesn't have a great deal of dash and dare which is the only knock on his game but the fact he does what he is meant to do and that is defend I think he was very servicable
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All this thread needs is claw to chip in with a
"lol, typical, a limited player who had a good game and all the gullible supporters lap it up, fact is hes a glass half full type that we must upgrade on" FFS its only taken him 8 years to play a good game"
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All this thread needs is claw to chip in with a
"lol, typical, a limited player who had a good game and all the gullible supporters lap it up, fact is hes a glass half full type that we must upgrade on" FFS its only taken him 8 years to play a good game"
i kinda agree. Still gives away goals
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Yeah he does although he seems to have cut that down this season. we are crying out for KPP players, this guy, whilst no world beater, is stepping up this season and giving us a genuine 2nd KPD behind Rance.
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Yeah he does although he seems to have cut that down this season. we are crying out for KPP players, this guy, whilst no world beater, is stepping up this season and giving us a genuine 2nd KPD behind Rance.
Yep. Goes ok.
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One of his better games
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Im still with holding the praise until he plays at this level for an extended time
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Agreed with chuck needs to be consistent but he did have a great game. Good to see him taking some marks with confidence. Still always looks unsure/scared.
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His game was OK
Again gave away stupid frees in the F50 with his constant looking at his opponent and not watching the ball. He actaully got away with a couple last night :clapping
My biggest knock on him however, continues to be his momentum killing, stopping propping and taking what seems to be forever in moving the ball on
Frustrates the hell out of me
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We are easily please if we think Astbury is going ok.
How many times does this idiot give away free kicks in a marking contest regardless of who his opponent is.
He is a decent mark of the footy so that means he is a good judge of the footy, just punch the thing- don't grad and give away stupid free kicks.
The most frustrating player in our side imo.
I would like to see him play forward and groom McIntosh to play a roll in defence like the roll Stratton does from Hawthorn.
Also like WP said, he is a real momentum killer. Just so slow to get back off the mark and make a decision.
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Astbury makes his mark
richmondfc.com.au
22 May 2017
David Astbury has built on the solid gains he made at the game’s highest level last year and become a quality, dependable key defender within the Richmond line-up this season.
He managed to put together an AFL career-high 19 games in 2016, avoiding significant injury for the first time since 2010, when he made his senior debut with the Tigers.
The confidence he gained from that continuity with his football seems to have been the catalyst for him taking a significant step forward in season 2017.
Astbury produced another first-rate defensive performance for the Tigers in last Saturday’s loss to Greater Western Sydney at Spotless Stadium.
He picked up 14 disposals and took 10 marks, including an equal game-high four intercept grabs.
The 26-year-old is averaging 14.4 disposals and 6.2 marks this season and is ranked 20th in the competition for total marks.
Astbury’s ability to repel opposition attacking thrusts through strong intercept marking has been a feature of his game.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-05-22/astbury-makes-his-mark
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Folks know I'm not a fan
But thought he was very good on Saturday
Actually gave him votes for the very first time ;D
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Still slow as balls but I don't think you can question his endeavour. Tries hard does Astbury and it's starting to pay off
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He will probably get injured now
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Astbury has played all 10 games so far and is averaging 14.5 disposals and 6.1 marks per match.
He is ranked No. 1 among Richmond players for total marks this season (61) and No. 2 for contested marks (15).
The 26-year-old veteran of 70 senior league games has been taking, and negating, the opposition’s key tall forward each week, enabling star Tiger key defender Alex Rance to have more freedom to utilise his attacking skills.
“He’s (Astbury) putting a very, very good season together,” Jack Riewoldt said.
“What he does is he allows Alex (Rance) to really excel at what he does.
“Being that assist player we need is really helping the backline . . .
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-05-31/rocksolid-astbury
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He will probably get injured now
keep him away from stingrays
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Hardly think we should be calling Astbury Rock Solid...
Stats show that he has conceded the most goals of any defender this year....
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Hardly think we should be calling Astbury Rock Solid...
Stats show that he has conceded the most goals of any defender this year....
Source?
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Hardly think we should be calling Astbury Rock Solid...
Stats show that he has conceded the most goals of any defender this year....
Source?
Wouldn't be surprised if its true as he has generally been playing on the oppositions best key forward
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I would back him in for a contested mark though
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I would be surprised given he's part of the 3rd stingiest defence in the comp. Brisbane leaked 50% more goals this year. Each of their defenders probably leaks more goals than our boy Assberry
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Hardly think we should be calling Astbury Rock Solid...
Stats show that he has conceded the most goals of any defender this year....
Heard this on SEN.
Misleading stat though. He plays on the best forward.
No star, but he's been good this year.
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I would back him in for a contested mark though
Rewatched Dreamtime game (for the second time) taking specific note of Astbury. Beaten in a contested marking duel once, all the others he either spoiled or took the mark. Sure he had one brain fade but I cant recall a single disposal that was a bad choice. Also had Zero clangers and played 95% game time, bloody good effort. Very underrated player for me but I have been saying that for long time.
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No doubt has improved heaps this season, overall Im very happy with him down back, does more good than bad and not everyone can be a star. Keep working on eliminating those gumby moments Dave
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Dave Astbury is okay until his opponent actually moves or leads.
Dave is a forward and watches the footy instead of watching his man first. He gets fought out ball watching all the time.
I hope the young kid Garthwaite gets a game soon and Astbury moves forward as his hands have been very good this year.
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Correct me if I am wrong but Rance took a while to become as good as he is, I recall he wasn't a standout at the start of his career
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Correct me if I am wrong but Rance took a while to become as good as he is, I recall he wasn't a standout at the start of his career
Those who know picked him early as a gun ;)
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Apparently Rance was worth only a six pack of Corona early on.....
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Rance was taken apart on this forum 2009 / 10 until his breakout game dreamtime at the G 2011.
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Correct me if I am wrong but Rance took a while to become as good as he is, I recall he wasn't a standout at the start of his career
Those who know picked him early as a gun ;)
I picked him at birth
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Correct me if I am wrong but Rance took a while to become as good as he is, I recall he wasn't a standout at the start of his career
Those who know picked him early as a gun ;)
I picked him at birth
I birthed him
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But you didn't pick him ;D
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Dave's having one hell of a season so far. Big test tonight based on past meetings against North and Astbury and Rance kept Brown & Waite quiet :clapping.
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BOG behind Martin. Was sensational. Martin was lucky he was forward of centre as Dave didn't get near it as much in the 2nd half :shh
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Playing great footy
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Vey impressed with Dave at the moment . Playing like a gun.
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Playing good consistent football.
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Best thing is Astbury being able to take the best forward while Rance can take a plodder to give Dave and everyone else a chop out.
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Dangerous Dave Astbury :clapping
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Assberry has been serviceable.
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Interesting last night North reluctant to kick inside F50 when Dave and Alex when sitting there waiting
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his ability to lock down a forward has been great. I don't think he has ever struggled in this aspect of the game. Just with ball in hand and launching an attack this is probably the part of his game which has a big scope for improvement. I am stoked the strategy of having Rance on 2nd best forward or sometimes absolute potatoes allows Rance to be an outlet.
But kudos to Astbury for improving in his defending to allow Rance to roam the ground more
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Assberry has been serviceable.
Assberry enables Rance
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Rance and assbury = Rassberry
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Gets the BP award....
Do they still give that? :lol
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Tigers' Mr Anonymous steps out of the shadows
afl.com.au
5 June 2017
RICHMOND'S most anonymous star allowed himself some credit, if only briefly, after playing a pivotal role on Saturday night in the Tigers disposing of the Kangaroos.
David Astbury had just added dangerous North Melbourne forward Jarrad Waite to his list of scalps, holding the Roo to 12 disposals and 1.3 while burning him for 20 possessions the other way.
On this night, Astbury was Richmond's main man in defence, rather than three-time All Australian Alex Rance, who was also excellent in curbing Ben Brown after the Kangaroo's strong start.
But even with the spotlight finally shining on Astbury – Channel 7 grabbed the 195cm defender post-match, too – his close mate Rance was still there to jokingly whisper sweet nothings to him.
Waite is not the first big task coach Damien Hardwick has entrusted him with. Astbury typically mans the opposition's No.1 forward, with Josh Kennedy, Jesse Hogan, Taylor Walker and Joe Daniher among his assignments this year.
"To be honest, (Rance) is a remarkable player and he can do anything," Astbury told AFL.com.au.
"We work in tandem. I'm really, really lucky I get to play with a player of his calibre and sometimes the shoe's on the other foot, where he relies on me to play his best footy.
"But we have a great working relationship and a great off-field relationship as well, so I just consider myself lucky."
Luck wasn't always in Astbury's favour. Only 41 games in six seasons to the end of 2015, including 24 in the previous five, owed plenty to a wretched injury run, and he finished that year in the VFL.
There was a run-in with a stingray that left him with a foot issue, and he spent extended time out with a dislocated knee. Astbury, 26, has sustained most football injuries you can think of: thumb, hamstring, ankle, quad.
He never commanded the fever-pitch level of interest his out-of-contract teammate Dustin Martin is right now, but had his own big decision to make at the end of 2015.
The Brisbane Lions were on another mature-age recruiting hunt and Astbury was in their sights. The North Ballarat junior's interest was piqued, but he chose to remain at Tigerland, knowing he would miss playing every other week at the MCG.
"I was 24 years of age and thought I was ready to play (regular) senior footy," he said.
"At the end of the day, it was my decision to stay at Richmond, and I'm really proud of that decision and I worked through a lot of deficiencies in my game.
"I was good at defending, but wasn't as good as I could be at winning the ball back, and I think I've addressed that.
"It has been a journey, and at different stages the game hasn't been kind to me with injuries and what not, but my body feels in tip-top shape. I'm in a state now where I'm really proud of the way I went about it and actually wouldn't change a thing."
Astbury played a career-high 19 games last year and all 11 matches this season, and has become one of the first picked for Hardwick's blossoming side.
"He's had a great year – he had a great year last year as well," Hardwick said.
"He missed two years of footy, really, but he's a player that was drafted the same year as Dustin and he's starting to come into his own, so he's been really important."
Astbury is buoyant about Richmond's chances of not only making the finals in 2017, but even winning its first post-season match since an 11-point victory over Carlton 16 years ago.
He is loving football again and the results are there for everyone to see.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-04/tigers-mr-anonymous-steps-out-of-the-shadows
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Was brilliant today. Has had a good season but even took it up another notch. Has had his critics (deservedly so at times) but he looks ready to hold down a kp spot in defence for years to come. Hope he can remain injury free.
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His kicking though...eek.
Still grabbed about 12 marks. Was very good and can hold his head up!
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Finally doing a good consistent job and being the main reason our defence is holding up so well (by giving Rance the freedom to do what he does). I got a briilliant (read brain dead) idea, let's put him forward!
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Finally doing a good consistent job and being the main reason our defence is holding up so well (by giving Rance the freedom to do what he does). I got a briilliant (read brain dead) idea, let's put him forward!
I've got an even better idea (read brain dead) let's keep things exactly the way they are as we are 2 wins from the last 7 games. And kicked over 100 points once in the last 8 games.
Nar, let's keep just doing what we have been. :wallywink
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Was brilliant today. Has had a good season but even took it up another notch. Has had his critics (deservedly so at times) but he looks ready to hold down a kp spot in defence for years to come. Hope he can remain injury free.
agree.
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Finally doing a good consistent job and being the main reason our defence is holding up so well (by giving Rance the freedom to do what he does). I got a briilliant (read brain dead) idea, let's put him forward!
Agree its probably not a good idea but boy could we do with a forward that can grab those contested marks like Dave can. Missing Griff has been a real problem, like him or not he was our best option up forward.
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Yep. You can call Griff soft etc etc but he gave us an option and he was rarely outmarked. He gave us structure.
We miss him.
That's why I think we should play Chol.
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Astbury finished with 19 touches against the Swans and took a season-high 13 marks, including a game-high seven intercept grabs. He also had an equal game-high 12 intercepts.
The 26 year old is averaging an AFL career-high 15.3 disposals this season, along with 6.5 marks.
He is ranked 19th in the competition for total marks and 20th for contested marks.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-06-19/astburys-admirable-advancement
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Finally doing a good consistent job and being the main reason our defence is holding up so well (by giving Rance the freedom to do what he does). I got a briilliant (read brain dead) idea, let's put him forward!
I've got an even better idea (read brain dead) let's keep things exactly the way they are as we are 2 wins from the last 7 games. And kicked over 100 points once in the last 8 games.
Nar, let's keep just doing what we have been. :wallywink
Or you know, look at some more viable options that are just as likely to work but less likely to result in us conceding massive scores? Lennon, Chol, Moore (when he isn't injured). It's not always one extreme or the other like you seem to enjoy jumping to. You need to get some clear thinking and balance in your life my friend
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I'd play him forward next year if we got someone like May or Lever ...he could even rotate with someone like Xavier Richards.... :shh
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Finally doing a good consistent job and being the main reason our defence is holding up so well (by giving Rance the freedom to do what he does). I got a briilliant (read brain dead) idea, let's put him forward!
I've got an even better idea (read brain dead) let's keep things exactly the way they are as we are 2 wins from the last 7 games. And kicked over 100 points once in the last 8 games.
Nar, let's keep just doing what we have been. :wallywink
Or you know, look at some more viable options that are just as likely to work but less likely to result in us conceding massive scores? Lennon, Chol, Moore (when he isn't injured). It's not always one extreme or the other like you seem to enjoy jumping to. You need to get some clear thinking and balance in your life my friend
But just on your suggestion for a "viable" second forward, you have come up with a kid that is injured, a kid that's still a rookie and is miles away from ready for AFL and another kid that isn't renound for his overhead marking ability at all.... Awesome!
We have Astbury that is catching everything at the minute, which is exactly what we are screaming out for, why not try him forward to try and actually kick a winning score. 70 points won't win you many games no matter how good your defence is.
We have Rance, Grimes and McIntosh to play tall in defence so why wouldn't you try Astbury forward??
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Astbury is the reason Rance is off the chain this season. He is playing a huge role.
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Astbury is the reason Rance is off the chain this season. He is playing a huge role.
Yep and some want to change that for the chance he'll be a potent forward (will more likely go missing imo)
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Hardwick wasn't keen on moving Astbury.
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Quote from Big Tone" We have Astbury that is catching everything at the minute, which is exactly what we are screaming out for, why not try him forward to try and actually kick a winning score. 70 points won't win you many games no matter how good your defence is.
We have Rance, Grimes and McIntosh to play tall in defence so why wouldn't you try Astbury forward??
« Last Edit: Today at 12:09:01 PM by one-eyed »
BT Know what you are saying but McIntosh at 188 and Astbury at 195, Grimes 193, are we asking a little too much from McIntosh?
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Macca is actually 192cm now
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I thought Astbury was very good again today.
We may need to think about playing him at CHF as Jack needs some help.
Rance, Grimes and McIntosh as our 3 talls down back and see how that goes??
Thought Astbury was outstanding so I'd leave him down bakc
Why not try McIntosh at CHF
Because he cannot mark the footy??
Pretty sure this would be also be an issue if you played him as a KPD....unless you expect him just to spoil every single marking contest.....
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I thought Astbury was very good again today.
We may need to think about playing him at CHF as Jack needs some help.
Rance, Grimes and McIntosh as our 3 talls down back and see how that goes??
Thought Astbury was outstanding so I'd leave him down bakc
Why not try McIntosh at CHF
Because he cannot mark the footy??
Pretty sure this would be also be an issue if you played him as a KPD....unless you expect him just to spoil every single marking contest.....
I think I'd prefer my forward to be the better mark of the two if I had to make the choice. Would you??
Many KPB aren't very good at marking the footy. Grimes is a good example and is seen as a very good defender by most.
All I'm saying is we don't really have an option to play tall forward other than Astbury who can actually mark the footy. But I think we have a few that could play in defence if Astbury was to go forward.
Not moving Astbury just because he is playing well down back is ridiculous.
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Quote from Big Tone" We have Astbury that is catching everything at the minute, which is exactly what we are screaming out for, why not try him forward to try and actually kick a winning score. 70 points won't win you many games no matter how good your defence is.
We have Rance, Grimes and McIntosh to play tall in defence so why wouldn't you try Astbury forward??
« Last Edit: Today at 12:09:01 PM by one-eyed »
BT Know what you are saying but McIntosh at 188 and Astbury at 195, Grimes 193, are we asking a little too much from McIntosh?
McIntosh hasn't been 188cm for about 5 years.
Vlastuin is about 188cm.
But it's not all about height, some players can play taller than they are. And untill this season I would have said McIntosh wasn't one of them but now he is but can also play on the medium forwards. As well as Rance and Grimes. Hawthorn also had players that played taller than they were but were able to contribute more on the way out.
That's why I'd like to see those 3 in defence. Add Vlastuin to that and we have a very good attacking defence that can move the ball out of our defence and into our forwardline.
Add a couple of quick ball movers to that off half back and we are in a pretty good position imo.
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Just to clear it up
Kam McIntosh
Ht: 192cm
Wt: 91kgs
From last week's footy record, RFC player list page (pg 39)
Still think he is worth consideration in the F50, great endurance, play him as a hit up target between the wing and just inside 50,
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Maybe instead of playing everyone in defence we can play everyone forward, Grimes, Assbury, Rance get them all up there
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Maybe instead of playing everyone in defence we can play everyone forward, Grimes, Assbury, Rance get them all up there
Let's through up there and he can turn it over with an across the ground pass 30 metres from goal
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While I understand the reasoning, the risk of moving Astbury around and potentially damaging his confidence and form is far greater than the potential benefit IMO.
Leave our defence alone for mine. It's our greatest strength right now.
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While I understand the reasoning, the risk of moving Astbury around and potentially damaging his confidence and form is far greater than the potential benefit IMO.
Leave our defence alone for mine. It's our greatest strength right now.
Exactly this. We finally have a 2nd tall defender who is giving Rance help down back and we want to move him around?
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All you can do is shake your head and say thank stuff some people are restricted to the keyboard
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Astbury is the reason Rance is off the chain this season. He is playing a huge role.
Gotta disagree. Rance is playing no different to what he has done in previous seasons and that is perform at AA level in most things, and Astbury is still doing what he did last yr and that is defend very well and get a bit of ball..
I hope none of us manage to look past the fact that we have just the two KPDS on the list and there is great need for two more.
Are We are in a place where we will have to rob peter to pay paul to address needs at the other end of the ground? Possibly.
We have two ways to go.
WE play Riewoldt and Astbury fwd and then play Rance 194cm Grimes 193cm McIntosh 192cm and Even Garthwaite 193cm down back. There are at lest tall defensive options even if they arent kpp size. If we keep it as is and there are good reasons why we should then surely we have to just throw what tall fwd options we have in the deep end, as bt says we need to do something different.
Why not
Small fwd - Chol - Garthwaite
Small fwd - Riewoldt - Small fwd
What i dont get is it seems its okay to keep playing Castagna Rioli Bolton Butler because we get a bit of defensive pressure but we get stuff all else out of them. as a collective they are not kicking a lot of goals, they are not getting a lot of ball they arent even laying a lot of tackles.In many ways we are just putting games into them and speeding up development so the question has to be asked why not do the same with a few talls.
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David is certainly doing the number 12 jumper proud this year .
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Given David Astbury’s consistency of performance across Richmond’s backline throughout the 2017 season, he must surely be a contender for selection in this year’s All-Australian squad.
The key Tiger defender is averaging 15.4 disposals and 6.6 marks per match this season. He’s ranked 11th in the competition for total marks, and has been repelling countless opposition attacking moves through his first-rate interception ability.
Astbury again was prominent for Richmond in its win against Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium last Saturday night.
He had 19 disposals, an equal game-high nine intercepts, six score involvements and took a team-high nine marks, including a game-high four intercept grabs.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-08-01/astbury-presses-claims-for-top-honour
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Top 5 for intercepts in AFL :shh
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I have always rated arseberry, even before he got taken out for a long spell, I had him above the weirdo. At the end of the day we got two good side kicks for Rance up there now in Weirdo and Dingles.
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Astbury to our defence is like dags to a sheeps arse - engrained and not going anywhere.
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Unless we get Lever then he's going forward.... :shh
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Unless we get Lever then he's going forward.... :shh
:pray
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Id argue we could play all 4 of Rance, Astubury, Lever and Grimes in the backline
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Rance to play as CHB/on baller/CHF and pinch hit in the ruck if we get Lever.
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Rance to play as CHB/on baller/CHF and pinch hit in the ruck if we get Lever.
I reckon Rance would make an awesome onballer :gotigers
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Bringing in Lever would give us the scope to do all those things.... :shh
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Rance to play as CHB/on baller/CHF and pinch hit in the ruck if we get Lever.
I reckon Rance would make an awesome onballer :gotigers
I seem to recall him being a go in the middle before by Dimma and it ended in tears.
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Rance to play as CHB/on baller/CHF and pinch hit in the ruck if we get Lever.
I reckon Rance would make an awesome onballer :gotigers
I seem to recall him being a go in the middle before by Dimma and it ended in tears.
Really?
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Rance to play as CHB/on baller/CHF and pinch hit in the ruck if we get Lever.
I reckon Rance would make an awesome onballer :gotigers
I seem to recall him being a go in the middle before by Dimma and it ended in tears.
Really?
Yeah, I am sure Dimma has played him in the middle to start a game before. It was a disaster.
Sorry, can't remember exactly when it was.
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There definitely was a period where Hardwick tried Rance in the midfield. It didn't work .
There was even a now famous Mrs Hardwick joke in the press conference , where she called him an idiot for moving Alex out of defense.
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Was against North in Hobart....we were getting flogged....
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Was against North in Hobart....we were getting flogged....
Might be worth trying again when the whole team isnt lubelessly bent over
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Im sure it was during that period in 2015 when we slumped to 2-4 .
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David Astbury on Brownlow Medal, Alex Rance, Damien Hardwick
Chris Cavanagh,
Herald Sun
6 August 2017
DAVID Astbury says Richmond players hope the huge boost in AFL player pay will help the club keep Dustin Martin.
And Astbury says the superstar midfielder won’t be affected by his move to outright Brownlow favouritism following the suspension of Patrick Dangerfield.
The revitalised fullback has also opened up on how close he came to leaving the Tigers to join Brisbane two years ago and the challenging times of pushing through repeated injuries including standing on a stingray.
And he says Richmond is much better placed than when it fell at the first hurdle in its most recent finals campaigns.
“I think in past years (the close losses Richmond suffered early in the season) would have been diabolical around the club. But with the culture that we’ve built, it just helped us grow from those experiences.”
A MINUTE WITH DAVID ASTBURY ...
What’s it like playing alongside Rance?
“I feel blessed on a weekly basis seeing what he can produce on the football field. I consider him to be one of the best players in the AFL and sometimes he makes my job a lot easier.”
Has Dangerfield’s suspension affected Dusty, the new Brownlow favourite?
“Dusty’s not affected by much at all. He’s just a consistent personality around the football club and we love him for that and I don’t think he’s someone that’s been looking for individual success, I think he’s just really driven by what the team’s producing at the moment.”
Did Jack Riewoldt really think his eye was going to pop out last week?
“Yeah. Sometimes Jack can make a scene because he’s such an emotional person but I could tell that he was really rocked straight away and I had to pick him up and take him off the oval. It wasn’t just a standard poke in the eye.”
How many times have you been down to Jake King’s tattoo parlour?
“No tattoos for me. I went down to the launch for him. I felt like a fish out of water but I went and did the right thing. Apparently the business is really successful but I don’t think he’s going to get much investment from me.”
How many guys have bought new cars since the 20 per cent pay rise came through?
“We’re just hoping that 20 per cent pay rise just helps us hold on to Dusty. We’ve got a pretty modest playing group so there’s not too many flashy cars getting around.”
Why does Damien Hardwick always talk about his wife in press conferences?
“I don’t know, it’s Dimma’s thing. He’s got a few analogies with Danielle and I’m not sure how she feels about it but he keeps driving it home. I think it’s just his way to relate to a day-to-day matter and a lot of them are pretty funny.”
Did the close losses earlier this year really bring the group together?
“Absolutely. I think in past years it would have been diabolical around the club. But with the culture that we’ve built, it just helped us grow from those experiences.”
What’s the best thing about being an AFL footballer?
“When you first get drafted it’s probably all shiny and glossy and you see the benefits from a selfish perspective of what it can offer you. But now I’m a little bit older I see the benefits of what I can offer someone else. We’ve got a lot of partnerships and there’s a lot of charity work that I enjoy sinking my teeth into so it’s probably those opportunities that I get that probably more worthwhile than anything.”
NO REGRETS AFTER FLIRTING WITH LIONS TRADE
IT WAS October 2015 and Richmond’s David Astbury had a big decision to make.
He sat down in the Brighton house of one of his close friends, a piece of paper in front of him and a pen in one hand.
A line was drawn down the middle of that piece of paper. On the left side, he penned in the word ‘Pros’ and on the right side, ‘Cons’.
Astbury still had one year left on his Richmond contract, but was weighing up a move to Brisbane.
He had flown north to meet with Lions officials in the weeks prior, frustrated by a career which was seemingly in a downward spiral and yielded just four AFL games in 2015.
“We’re in an industry where you’ve only got a certain amount of time and I felt like that was getting away from me,” Astbury said.
“I wanted the opportunity to play senior footy and I had a few hiccups along the way with my body but I felt that I was ready and I felt that I was worthy of selection at different stages but I found it difficult to break into the side.
“We looked into it (a Brisbane move) a bit and then I wrote down a list of pros and cons and essentially I thought that my passion for football wasn’t just the game — it was the Richmond Football Club as well and all the people involved.
“I think I had a good formula to improve my football and I think I went through the process pretty thoroughly and it all just came back to playing football here. I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to stay and I’m really proud that I made that decision.”
The decision was a sliding doors moment for Astbury, who in the four seasons between 2012 and 2015 managed just 19 games for the Tigers.
Last year alone the defender played the same number of games and he will line up for his 19th match of 2017 against Hawthorn today, having not missed a beat this season.
Now 26, Astbury is reaping the rewards of hard work and has learned to manage a body which at stages he feared was not up to playing AFL football.
A regular in the rehabilitation group during his first six seasons at Richmond, foot, knee, hamstring, leg and quad injuries continually got in the way of Astbury playing regular senior football.
The luckless Tiger even required surgery in 2015 to remove a stingray barb from his left foot after a recovery session gone wrong at Port Melbourne beach.
“I knew I had the ability to perform consistently at the top level but I thought at different stages my body robbed me of that opportunity which is something I really battled with,” Astbury said.
“It was not so much clear-cut depression but I was just dirty on missing out on opportunities to perform. But I got myself healthy, put an enormous amount of work in my body and now I’m able to back up performances week-to-week. I’m really proud that I went through those circumstances and came out a better footballer.”
Fellow defender Alex Rance was one of the biggest helps for Astbury during those tough times.
The pair both speak of each other as being like brothers, and now Astbury is back on the park on a regular basis, he is trying to give back to Rance in whatever way he can.
“I spent a lot of time in rehab and he (Rance) was enormously supportive to me and that’s something I can’t thank him enough for,” Astbury said.
“Dylan Grimes went through exactly the same thing and Rancey was always there to make sure there wasn’t a disconnect between us and the rest of the group and that’s something I’ll never forget through those adverse times. Now that we’re playing footy together, I love the opportunity to make sure his game keeps developing and if I can play any hand in that I get real pride in that. I wouldn’t say it’s anything short of a brotherhood really.”
Injuries ruled Asbury out of taking part in Richmond’s finals campaigns in 2013 and 2014 and his form did not see him picked the club’s elimination final against North Melbourne in 2015.
The Tigers had entered last year with high hopes, only to lose seven of their last nine games and finish 13th.
It seemed another rebuild was on the cards.
When coach Damien Hardwick fronted up on Fox Footy’s On the Couch program last August and firmly said: “I think we will be playing finals next year”, most of the football world scoffed.
But the comments piqued the interest of Astbury and the Richmond playing group, who saw them as the start of a wave of change which has proven to be fruitful this year.
“That was probably the start for me to be honest,” Astbury said of Hardwick’s comments.
“For me he was probably pretty vulnerable there saying that but it showed to me that he really believed in the process and he knew he had to make change but he firmly believed in the group.
“The turnaround in Dimma has probably been a catalyst in the change of our culture as well. I talk about our youth but he’s given them the opportunity to really grow.
“He’s a great coach, always has been, but now his relationships with the players have been further strengthened that’s gone a long way to us really enjoying our football and having that on-field success.”
Astbury grew up on a canola and wheat farm in Tatyoon, a small district 230km west of Melbourne which has a population of 110 people.
His down-to-earth country nature still shines through and being in the spotlight is far from his favourite thing about being an AFL footballer.
However, playing in front of big crowds at the MCG every second week was one of the key items on Astbury’s ‘Pros’ list when he was weighing up the move to Brisbane.
If he can do that in finals this September, the decision to stay at Punt Rd will only be further vindicated.
“At the Richmond Football Club we’re at the foot of the MCG and that’s where we want to be, playing finals at the MCG,” Astbury said.
“Hopefully I get that opportunity this year.”
ASTBURY BY THE NUMBERS
2017 Games: 18
SuperCoach average: 73 points
Average disposals: 15.4
Average marks: 6.6 (Ranked 4th in the competition)
Average intercept marks: 3 (Ranked 4th)
Average intercept possessions: 7.6 (Ranked 4th)
Has competed in 85 defensive one-on-one contests this year, losing just 20 per cent (Ranked 3rd)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-defender-david-astbury-loving-life-at-tigerland-after-almost-taking-up-an-offer-to-join-brisbane-in-2015/news-story/34f1ec22dc8469e5162fb8f734b419b0
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Great 1st half by the great man :clapping
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Rance to play as CHB/on baller/CHF and pinch hit in the ruck if we get Lever.
I reckon Rance would make an awesome onballer :gotigers
Didn't work when we tried it and TBH don't think it would work if we tried again...
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Was against North in Hobart....we were getting flogged....
Also against Collingwood. Was a disaster
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Our back six is the best in the league. Really well balanced. Don't tamper with it.
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Our back six is the best in the league. Really well balanced. Don't tamper with it.
Our back six has Houli and BEllis. :chuck :chuck
Grimes, Rance and Vlastuin are stars...
Astbury is getting better....
I'd just about give my left nut to see a backline without those first 2 in it.
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Our back six is the best in the league. Really well balanced. Don't tamper with it.
Our back six has Houli and BEllis. :chuck :chuck
Grimes, Rance and Vlastuin are stars...
Astbury is getting better....
I'd just about give my left nut to see a backline without those first 2 in it.
Sometimes the whole is better than the sum of the parts bt. Stats don't lie. They are brilliant together and our points against shows that.
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I am not saying we mess with Rance. As looking at Harry Taylor under Chris Scott's coaching makes me really feel for him.but on a purely hypothetical basis I think you could play Rance as an on baller. The times which he did start in the middle I think they had Riewoldt in the centre as well to try and mix it up and we got pantsed in the bounce.
I think a preseason with learning how to read ball ups and stoppages would.make him a gun on baller but we already have him as a gun rebounding/lock down/attacking key defender so I am happy for us to not mess with that.
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Astbury, Rance and Grimes were all very solid against the Hawks.
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Our back six is the best in the league. Really well balanced. Don't tamper with it.
Our back six has Houli and BEllis. :chuck :chuck
Grimes, Rance and Vlastuin are stars...
Astbury is getting better....
I'd just about give my left nut to see a backline without those first 2 in it.
Sometimes the whole is better than the sum of the parts bt. Stats don't lie. They are brilliant together and our points against shows that.
Stats do lie.
So let's get this straight, you dont think it at all possible to do better than two of the softest players in the comp?
I actually feel sorry for some of our supporters that we have been so poo for so long we are just happy to make the finals.... or win a final...
Aim for the stars mate, surely seeing The Bulldogs steel one last year gives you some hope we can do better than just making the finals....
And with BEllis and Houli we won't do much better than that.
They will both let us down when it counts.
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Yes they're soft. Houli is a panic merchant too.
Bellis has been much better this season as he is moving the ball on forward quickly much more often.
I'd rather play Short than Houli. I'd like to fit Markov in there too now that he has regained a little form in the twos.
However, we know that Dimma doesn't drop those two ever. So it isn't going to happen no matter how much I whinge on this site. Whilst we are winning and have the best defence in the league (currently) it's even more ridiculous to whine about it.
I'm just sitting back and enjoying the team effort that is occurring most weeks now. The pressure is amazing that our small forwards put on the opposition and that flows through the team. From a team that most site experts had finishing in the lower half of the ladder at the start of the year, it has been refreshing seeing a competitive attacking brand of footy.
I said that Rioli was tracking beautifully a couple of weeks ago and you bagged me. Since then he has been brilliant. Sure, he put in a few ordinary performances but his pressure has always been there and that kept him in the team. As a 20 year old you expect a few off games. But anyone who knows anything about football can see he oozes class and when the ball is in his hands we ALWAYS looks likely to score.
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Yes they're soft. Houli is a panic merchant too.
Bellis has been much better this season as he is moving the ball on forward quickly much more often.
I'd rather play Short than Houli. I'd like to fit Markov in there too now that he has regained a little form in the twos.
However, we know that Dimma doesn't drop those two ever. So it isn't going to happen no matter how much I whinge on this site. Whilst we are winning and have the best defence in the league (currently) it's even more ridiculous to whine about it.
I'm just sitting back and enjoying the team effort that is occurring most weeks now. The pressure is amazing that our small forwards put on the opposition and that flows through the team. From a team that most site experts had finishing in the lower half of the ladder at the start of the year, it has been refreshing seeing a competitive attacking brand of footy.
I said that Rioli was tracking beautifully a couple of weeks ago and you bagged me. Since then he has been brilliant. Sure, he put in a few ordinary performances but his pressure has always been there and that kept him in the team. As a 20 year old you expect a few off games. But anyone who knows anything about football can see he oozes class and when the ball is in his hands we ALWAYS looks likely to score.
The trouble is he doesn't get it enough.
Do you seriously think Rioli has been brilliant?
The last couple of weeks he has been better but far from brilliant.
Enjoy the wins mate but don't go overboard.
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Anyone who can't see Rioli's importance to the side clearly isn't watching properly....
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Anyone who can't see Rioli's importance to the side clearly isn't watching properly....
Yer... it's the stuff you don't see :shh
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Anyone who can't see Rioli's importance to the side clearly isn't watching properly....
Yer... it's the stuff you don't see :shh
But Lennon should be gifted games because no one has seen what hasn't been seen yet. :rollin
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Anyone who can't see Rioli's importance to the side clearly isn't watching properly....
Yer... it's the stuff you don't see :shh
Ner....it's the stuff most people see.... :shh :shh
But Lennon should be gifted games because no one has seen what hasn't been seen yet. :rollin
You mean has been seen by anyone who pays attention and actually watches the VFL rather than just believing Dorothy Dix match reports .....which is actually kind of amusing from someone who's supposedly sceptical about everything else the club says or does and makes that the basis of their whole schtick... :shh
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From a team that most site experts had finishing in the lower half of the ladder at the start of the year
Thanks for not including me with those plebs
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Our back six is the best in the league. Really well balanced. Don't tamper with it.
Our back six has Houli and BEllis. :chuck :chuck
Grimes, Rance and Vlastuin are stars...
Astbury is getting better....
I'd just about give my left nut to see a backline without those first 2 in it.
Grimes, Rance, Vlastuin, Astbury.... McIntosh, Broad.
Houli and Bellis are alright as rotation.
Astbury is a gun these days. Well done to him :shh
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Richmond great Matthew Richardson paid tribute to Astbury on this week’s edition of the Club’s official podcast ‘Talking Tigers’.
“He’s a really good guy and a great person around the Club . . . There’s a lot of great character in that playing group, and Dave’s one of those guys that brings the group together,” Richardson said.
“Playing-wise, to that back six, he’s really important.
“He allows (Alex) Rance to play the game that he plays because he can cover off the most dangerous, biggest forward for the opposition. And he doesn’t just shut them down, he wins the ball back.
“He’s a great contested mark. And the amount of times he can mark that long ball down the line – not just spoil it, but actually win it back for the team.
“Winning the ball back for your team is just about the most important thing now, and he does that regularly with his marking – intercept marking and contested marking.
“And when he gets it now – he gets it 15-20 times – he uses it well.
“I don’t reckon he tries to do too much with the ball. He knows what he needs to do, and he just does the predictable things, which is what your teammates want . . .
“He’s very predictable to his teammates and he’s just so reliable now – rock-solid.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-04-19/astbury-earns-accolades
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One of our best last night: 20 possies, 7 marks, 7 rebounds & 9 1%ers. Dave is having another good season so far.
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One of our best last night: 20 possies, 7 marks, 7 rebounds & 9 1%ers. Dave is having another good season so far.
Is shifting into AA contention at this rate
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One of our best last night: 20 possies, 7 marks, 7 rebounds & 9 1%ers. Dave is having another good season so far.
Is shifting into AA contention at this rate
:clapping
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Friday night’s big clash with Port Adelaide at Adelaide Oval will be Astbury’s 50th consecutive match.
At the midway mark of the 2018 home-and-away season, Astbury is averaging 15.1 disposals, 6.5 marks and 3.8 rebound-50s.
He is ranked 13th in the competition for intercepts and 17th for marks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-06-06/astbury-on-a-games-roll
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Meanwhile, Hardwick is hopeful defender David Astbury has avoided any serious damage to his ankle after he limped off in the second term.
The defender returned to play out the game, but will be monitored next week.
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-09/tigers-anticipating-dusty-will-return-to-face-cats)
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Walker – who was interestingly met with jeers from the Richmond faithful whenever he went near the ball – had just 11 and kicked one goal – including just three touches to his name at the main break. Comparatively, his opponent David Astbury had 18 possessions (13 to half-time) and 10 one percenters as the Crows' forward again struggled to find his feet on the big stage ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-06/five-talking-points-richmond-v-adelaide
On ya Dave :clapping.
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He gets jeered because, like Adam Goodes late in his career, he’s become a flog
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Richo acclaims the current #12 Dave Astbury:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-07-11/richo-acclaims-astbury
Astbury is averaging 15.6 disposals, 6.2 marks and 3.2 rebound-50s per game in season 2018 and is ranked 19th in the competition for intercepts.
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It's Dave's 100th this week :clapping.
Started off with 17 games in his debut season (2010) but could then only manage 24 over the next 5 years (2011-2015). He was almost traded to Brisbane but stayed and in the past 3 years he's played 54 games out of a possible 60 including last year's premiership.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/D/David_Astbury.html
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Time to start a family of 6 boys now Dave. :lol
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Go to the 1:00 mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1121336414409330689
Astbury arrived at Punt Rd today on crutches. Dave said the swelling is coming out now and he thinks he'll be right to play to the Dogs.
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Astbury rolled his ankle following a nasty landing during Richmond's Anzac Day Eve victory over Melbourne, with the 10-day break not aiding his cause to prove his fitness.
"He probably won't play," Hardwick said.
"He won't train today (Thursday). It was an incredible effort to play … the size of his ankle, he was lucky to get his boot back on.
"We had a conversation before and he's looking increasingly unlikely at this stage. It probably means he's really doubtful for the weekend's game.
"He's an important player for us – and we'll give him every chance – but it's not looking likely at this stage."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-02/dimma-praises-his-compost-as-tigers-injury-list-grows)
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Dave trained inside on the treadmill that takes your weight your legs
Wants to play
Club say have a rest this weekend
No obvious match up
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Dave trained inside on the treadmill that takes your weight your legs
Wants to play
Club say have a rest this weekend
No obvious match up
Alter G Machine
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Here’s how Astbury has performed in the past three games, playing alongside Garthwaite . . .
Round 8 v Fremantle: 17 disposals, six rebound-50s, 11 marks.
Round 9 v Hawthorn: 20 disposals, four rebound-50s, 12 marks.
Round 10 v Essendon: 16 disposals, eight rebound-50s, six marks.
Read the full article here: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-05-27/garthwaite-a-big-boost-for-astbury
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Astbury and the entire defence really took some time to adjust after rance went down but are looking a lot better over the past month.
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He and Grimes have really stepped up which is what we needed. I think they also work much better with Garthwaite as the extra tall.
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Richmond's David Astbury fined $2000 for striking Harrison Petty.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-05/mro-slaps-seven-gray-cops-2k-fine
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David Astbury – 7
Continued his consistent season with another solid performance in defence. Played his role in keeping the Cats' key forwards quiet and showed desperation and poise when under pressure.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/every-tiger-rated-from-the-preliminary-final
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Dave has quietly gone about his business very impressively since the bye. Seemed to suffer the most initially when we lost rance and he took a bit of time but he has readjusted superbly.
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Astbury, the not-so-Dusty Tiger
Michael Gleeson
The Age
26 September 2019
Astbury ended up in hospital on a drip the night before the game. No one knew.
In the preliminary final both Martin and Astbury played despite what soon became clear were physical limitations. The illness to Astbury was every bit as important in impact as the Martin corkie.
“To be honest, we are still not really sure what it was but it was really debilitating, it was some sort of bacterial infection. It came on me really quickly, after training during the week it presented itself and I thought, 'Oh, this will knock me about for a day.' But then it just hung on,” Astbury recalled.
“It was really tough. I thought, 'What are the chances of this coming on now?' I have been stung by a stingray in the bay and done all sorts of stuff. Luck has typically not been on my side so I just put it down to that.”
Indeed it has not. Astbury played 17 games in his first season then a combined 24 games over the next five years. He despaired and seriously contemplated an offer to move to Brisbane in 2015.
“I was 24 and I wanted to be playing senior footy. I looked into the opportunity of going to Brisbane and I still had a year of a contract to run and there was all sorts of moving parts to the football club at that stage – we had just lost another elimination final and they were looking to get something moving. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, as they say,” Astbury said.
“I was thinking if I went I would be doing it for the wrong reasons. I wanted to be good enough and I had to back myself that I would be good enough to do it here.
“It just takes emotional toll on you, being injured. There were different stages when I thought I am not really built to do this but I was just going to hang on for as long as my body could and now I am glad I did because now my body feels great.”
During a season when so many key Richmond players have been injured, Astbury has played most games. He missed a few with a tight hamstring - one week of which meant the Tigers were without nine of their top 13 from last year’s best and fairest. But save for Alex Rance being out, their back line has been consistent.
“I think we have got a really good mix in the back line that will serve us well. They [Greater Western Sydney] have a really challenging front six but I remember when we played Adelaide in 2017, they were considered the best forward line in the AFL," said Astbury, leaving unstated the additional line that Richmond beat them.
"The GWS guys definitely aren’t too far away from that," he said.
Astbury and Dylan Grimes' synergy has been fundamental to Richmond holding their season together and being back in the grand final.
The pair have a strong connection off the field; Astbury is off a farm in western Victoria and has bought a 20-hectare property near there where he runs cattle and Grimes has bought a vineyard at Mount Macedon.
"Grimesy spends more time on the phone with my old man than I do, which is funny. They have a funny relationship - they stir each other up but it doesn't take much of an excuse for them to get on the phone to each other," he said.
The vineyard and Grimes' role as manager has been the source of constant amusement to Tigers players.
"He is really passionate and really forward with the people he gets on-site to work for him. He has had a few disputes and we love them here at the footy club, we have to hear about them,'' Astbury said.
"He understands now he is running a business and he has to be hard on people at times. I thought he might struggle because he is such a nice guy and initially he was like that, but now he goes looking for opportunities to give someone a barrel.
"You will just see him, he throws his AirPods in, which is pretty floggish, and you can see him animated about something and it has clearly got something to do with the winery."
Astbury leads the charge of players needling Grimes about his regular blow-ups but former coach and now Essendon senior coach-in-waiting Ben Rutten still gets involved.
The regular source of amusement for Rutten is to find any funny vision of Grimes - such as his recent staging for a free kick when he flopped to the ground - and turning it into a GIF and putting it on the group chat.
"Anything we want to stir him up with goes straight into the group. He definitely copped it over that, but he reckons it was the best $1000 he ever spent because of the free kick," Astbury said.
"The best thing about him is he is the first person to poke fun at himself. He knows exactly how intense he is being at times in those conversations so it's good to get a rise out of him."
Intense but able to have a laugh at themselves might be the motto of the Richmond back line.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/astbury-the-not-so-dusty-tiger-20190924-p52uir.html
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David Astbury – 7
Part of a great defensive unit. Locked down on Jeremy Finlayson for most of the day, keeping the Giant to a paltry one touch. Dropping into the hole in front of Jeremy Cameron to take an intercept mark typified his performance.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-28/player-ratings-richmond
DAVID ASTBURY 7
Once stung by a stingray, he gave GWS a serious sting of his own. Wore Jeremy Finalyson like a glove, holding him touchless in the first half.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/afl-grand-final-player-ratings-dustin-martin-and-bachar-houli-shine-toby-green-phil-davis-flop/news-story/3b13f40fe020027c0e71ae275f356ff2
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Rance getting injured has elevated his game big-time.
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I have never really rated this bloke but he is a great role player and does so within that structure very well.
Definitely takes a good grab here and there and has been key since Tross went down.
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He’s very important for our structure. While he doesn’t have as many flashy moments like Rance and grimes or Vlastuin he is still essential for how the defence operates. He is a premiership hero in my eyes
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A good honest defender. Good mark, hard at it and rarely gets beaten one on one.
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He's like the Rock of Gibraltar down back. :clapping
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He was very good during the finals. A good footballer who I thought would struggle without Rance but he should be proud of his achievements. Well done to him.
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Very underated.
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David Astbury, 29, has spent the majority of time during football's pause due to COVID-19 back on his family's wheat farm in Tatyoon, a small town in western Victoria where he grew up.
He said the Tigers' focus on mental wellbeing and resilience had helped him adjust to the abnormal circumstances of this season, and the wait for games to recommence.
"I was quick to shift my perspective and be grateful for what I've got and that was, in these times, being able to get out of the city and get back to Tatyoon and have purpose back there, particularly helping my dad on the farm," he said.
"It's true absence does make the heart grow fonder, and certainly Melbourne and Australian society is crying out for football and I want to get the season going because I just want to get back around my people."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/392169/-enormous-upside-underrated-tiger-set-to-blossom-in-2020)
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Tiger Astbury finds purpose and connection in farm life lockdown
The Age/AAP
May 8, 2020
Richmond's David Astbury never expected to be drinking beer around a campfire after spending the day cutting wood.
Maybe during the off-season, but certainly not in mid-autumn.
The Tigers were supposed to be building towards back-to-back flags following their dominant 2019 grand final victory over GWS.
As some players struggle to find purpose without football, the two-time premiership defender has been more than content, 250 kilometres to the west of Punt Rd.
He didn't hesitate in heading back home the day after the competition's postponement in March.
It's allowed him to connect with family like never before.
While Astbury has since returned to Melbourne eyeing an imminent restart of the season, the trip away has been nothing but a positive experience.
The 29-year-old has based himself in western Victoria, spending plenty of time at his father Craig's 360-acre farm near the small town of Raglan.
Not far away is his mother Kate.
"I thought that I would always have a silver lining [during isolation] and it presented itself initially in some lifestyle habits," Astbury said.
"As time wore on, I spent more time with my mum at her block at the foot of the Grampians and my dad at his place in Raglan.
"That's turned out to be the best thing that happened to me over this period.
"My relationship with both of my parents individually has been awesome and I've loved the conversations that we've had."
Astbury has built up some farm fitness, while also managing a weights set-up the envy of plenty of footballers looking for motivation in lockdown.
One of Astbury's neighbours welded him a weights frame, squat rack and bench to keep up his strength work.
All his running sessions take place at the ground of his local club in Tatyoon, close to where he's purchased a property of his own.
While Astbury admits he's just a "townie" who's "never going to be a farmer", the 130-gamer has been able to learn some tricks of the trade.
"Doing some work with Dad, cutting some wood and doing some cattle work; then having a beer with him after a long day turned out to be a really special time for me," he said.
"It's been 14 or 15 years since I have spent an extended period of time where I'm from in autumn."
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-astbury-finds-purpose-and-connection-in-farm-life-lockdown-20200508-p54r3m.html
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How did we all see Astbury's comeback game?
14 disposals @ 71.4%
6 marks
9 intercepts
2 tackles
259m gained
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Solid return. Gives our backline better balance as he frees up grimes to either lock down a small or play loose.
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Ok. Looked very slow at times
Clearly I wasn't as impressed as Jono Brown
Who went on and on
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Had Tex who looked like a footballer for the first time in a long while.. :shh
Not a bad game tho. First one back, did some good things. Personally prefer Balta to get the Big jobs now
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David Astbury
Took the seven marks and mostly held his own in the backline. Also had the four tackles. Can’t be too upset with him.
Rating: 7
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-second-qualifying-final-reviews-stats-tigers-best-and-worst-players/news-story/156df1b76297836ac1f12af8237ff86c)
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David Astbury
Wasn’t given too much work given Richmond’s ample defensive numbers, with the tall occasionally throw into the ruck.
Rating: 5
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-st-kilda-second-semi-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/afdeaa6b7f13cced41d21c91e03b900e)
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Wasnt bad in ruck gave us a chop out.Against Port talls may be needed back in defence.
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Astbury & Broad backing up in the ruck won't cut the mustard against Lycett & Ladham.... :shh
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Astbury & Broad backing up in the ruck won't cut the mustard against Lycett & Ladham.... :shh
Cate went with Stanley and a backup how they go ?
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They lost.... :shh :shh
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Dave wasn't bad as backup ruck.
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Dave wasn't bad as backup ruck.
Agreed, did well on first watch.
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David Astbury
Five touches, four of which were intercepts. Didn’t do a whole heap.
Rating: 4
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-port-adelaide-first-preliminary-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/5a240d072bb6873234eb176397899eaf)
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David Astbury
Five touches, four of which were intercepts. Didn’t do a whole heap.
Rating: 4
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-port-adelaide-first-preliminary-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/5a240d072bb6873234eb176397899eaf)
Bet he would of felt like he did plenty after the game. Stats don't always tell the tale and his chopout in the ruck was vital.
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Astbury & Broad backing up in the ruck won't cut the mustard against Lycett & Ladham.... :shh
That didnt age all that well
Astbury was huge, allowed Nank to play 69% (53% @ 1/2 time) & Nank dominated the last
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Agree , just watched the replay Dave Astbury played a great team game that reflected on how well Nank played in the last quarter, he wasn’t exhausted.
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This week will suit him to against Bilavs or Hawkins.He actually has alot of strength gives a good contest.
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This week will suit him to against Bilavs or Hawkins.He actually has alot of strength gives a good contest.
Agree re Hawkins but not Biclavs. Biclavs far to mobile and quick
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This week will suit him to against Bilavs or Hawkins.He actually has alot of strength gives a good contest.
Agree re Hawkins but not Biclavs. Biclavs far to mobile and quick
Maybe Balta better option for Biclavs then does he take them in defence or centre square the ruck duty Biclavs.
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Two time premiership Tiger David Astbury admits he was lucky to be on the plane out of Melbourne, let alone lining up for a shot at a third flag. After making his name as a defender, the 29-year-old has answered the coach's call for a second ruckman. | @NickButler10 #AFLGF
Watch here: https://twitter.com/10NewsFirstMelb/status/1318446918943592450
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How tall is dave 195cm ? He has a decent leap to.
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Yeah 195.
Also noticed Nank had his leap back a bit last week too.
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David Astbury – 4
A fairly quiet game from Astbury, who was forced into a full-time defensive post after Nick Vlastuin was knocked out in the opening minutes. Held his position well without getting too much of the footy.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/521174/tigers-player-ratings-no-passengers-on-the-tiger-train)
David Astbury
Was hardly thrown into the ruck unlike previous weeks and was used as a key defender with Noah Balta shifting roles. When matched up on Hawkins, Astbury did well with the Coleman Medal winner booting just one goal.
Rating: 3
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-richmond-vs-geelong-dustin-martin-player-ratings-tigers-stats-best-and-worst-players-afl-finals-gabba/news-story/2c23bd9c6b85150e3f828938dc9c0006)
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Dave last 3 games has been solid.Big body and covers defence well yesterday when Balta moved took Hawkins.
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I thought Astbury and Bachar struggled this year. Should consider going out on top.
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Thought Dave was okay this year. Need to remember he was injured for a significant part of the year.
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I thought Astbury and Bachar struggled this year. Should consider going out on top.
Yeah nah. One more year for Bach and Astbury is our rock - has a few more good years in him.
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Keep Dave & Bachar. Particularly Dave who's only 29.
Maybe only play them for 14 games plus finals giving them a rest throughout the year so some youngsters can get a go.
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Here's the footage of the incident:
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2021/03/18/674d0e9d-192d-461f-abcb-915b7271a0d1/pZvBYnyh.jpg?width=1200&height=630) (https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1372493612005519371)
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1372493612005519371
All going to depend on how the MRO judges the level of force of contact/impact (?).
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Astbury only copped a fine so he is playing next week :thumbsup.
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David Astbury, Richmond, has been charged with Striking Lachie Plowman, Carlton, during the third quarter of the Round One match between Richmond and Carlton, played at the MCG on Thursday March 18.
In summary he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Conduct, Low Impact and High Contact. The incident was classified as a $3000 sanction as a first offence. The player can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/564731/match-review-tigers-defender-charged-over-stray-elbow
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How tall is dave 195cm ? He has a decent leap to.
lmfao.
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How tall is dave 195cm ? He has a decent leap to.
lmfao.
Loool 3 time premiership player part of the best back 6 in competition Claw facts speakers for themselves.
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DID THE AFL “LET THE GAME DOWN” NOT SUSPENDING ASTBURY AND DANIHER?
Andy Maher believes the AFL missed a trick when failing to suspend both David Astbury and Joe Daniher this week.
In Maher’s opinion, that does not line up with the AFL’s stance on protecting the head which saw Patrick Dangerfield banned for three matches for his head-high bump on Adelaide’s Jake Kelly.
“This is where the AFL let the game down a bit when Astbury and Daniher threw the elbows back,” he said on SEN’s Bob & Andy.
“Those blokes knew exactly what they were doing. They knew where the heads of the opposition players were.
“Ok, there’s been more violent elbows thrown in the history of footy than those two, but they knew what they were doing. That was deliberate.
“Deliberately made contact with an opposition player’s head and we’re just lucky that there was no serious damage done to either of the opposition players.
“If we’re going to be fair dinkum, there’s no fines for that. That d---head factor, the imbecile factor. You’re out for being a d---head, you’ve got a week for doing that, automatic.
“Then we’ll grade it up from there. Let’s get fair dinkum about the head.”
Former Western Bulldogs captain Bob Murphy agreed with that sentiment, suggesting Astbury and Daniher both knew exactly what they were doing.
“They’ve created that situation, the game didn’t put them in a situation where it’s, ‘what do you do now?’, split-second, bang, decide,” he said.
“It’s like, ‘get off me’, here we go, whack, cop that.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/24/did-the-afl-let-the-game-down-not-suspending-astbury-and-daniher/
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Wanted to find the David Astbury thread but couldn't find it. Such a underated player. Was huge for us tonight and has been since Rance left.
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Good game from Dave but I still think he should consider hanging up the boots at years end personally.
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Where's the fork? :shh
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Losing contests frequently.
Time to try Miller IMO. Astbury should retire at the end of the year, or before the MSD if Houli doesnt.
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Don't know why the criticism at Dave he was played out of position in the ruck he's a defender and that's it that's on Dimma that mistake putting him and Balta in the ruck and leaving our defence exposed play the second ruck for FFS.
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Don't know why the criticism at Dave he was played out of position in the ruck he's a defender and that's it that's on Dimma that mistake putting him and Balta in the ruck and leaving our defence exposed play the second ruck for FFS.
I agree. He didn't get beaten down back any more than any of our other defenders. He did have that one real shocker but he was far from online on that front.
He is no ruckman or on baller but that's more of a coaching/selection problem.
Far from the biggest problem in our side atm.
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Don't know why the criticism at Dave he was played out of position in the ruck he's a defender and that's it that's on Dimma that mistake putting him and Balta in the ruck and leaving our defence exposed play the second ruck for FFS.
I agree. He didn't get beaten down back any more than any of our other defenders. He did have that one real shocker but he was far from online on that front.
He is no ruckman or on baller but that's more of a coaching/selection problem.
Far from the biggest problem in our side atm.
Will watch the replay whe i get home but
My observations at the game when he was down back he looked slow, failed to get to contests and the opposition targeted getting the ball to his direct opponent
Don't forget he gifted them the safest goal in the 3rd when he ...ummm....err...tapped the ball forward instead of marking ( can't have call it a punch :banghead)
Personally have concerns rightmost.
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Anyone backing him in needs to watch the replay.
As I have said at least twice or three times before - he is consistently losing contests after the first handful of rounds. I don't think he can play out the full season.
He's slow to move, slow to think, and his kicking is suspect. He generally only kicks down the line and is lucky to go 40m or more.
A few people say Miller is coming along nicely. If that's the case then we should play him while Grimes is still around to mentor him. Balta looks like he is settled. Grimes is about to turn 30 so you'd hate to have both Astbury and Grimes retiring within the same 12 months or so. That would place too much pressure on a guy like Miller. Get games into miller between now and 2022 because we might only have 18 months of Grimes left for all we know.
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That's why we need to go after Sam Taylor..... :shh
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Don't know why the criticism at Dave he was played out of position in the ruck he's a defender and that's it that's on Dimma that mistake putting him and Balta in the ruck and leaving our defence exposed play the second ruck for FFS.
I agree. He didn't get beaten down back any more than any of our other defenders. He did have that one real shocker but he was far from online on that front.
He is no ruckman or on baller but that's more of a coaching/selection problem.
Far from the biggest problem in our side atm.
Will watch the replay whe i get home but
My observations at the game when he was down back he looked slow, failed to get to contests and the opposition targeted getting the ball to his direct opponent
Don't forget he gifted them the safest goal in the 3rd when he ...ummm....err...tapped the ball forward instead of marking ( can't have call it a punch :banghead)
Personally have concerns rightmost.
I would usually watch the replay again myself before commenting as I see things clearer then but I don't think I could put myself though that rubbish umpiring again. I do agree he has slowed a bit and is getting nearer to the end of his playing career but he never was a speedster and that's not what he is in the side for. I saw all of our backline being beaten in contests at various times not just Astbury.
That tap was the shocker I was referring too. But he was not alone in making errors. I feel he is far from the worst problem we have in the side. Small forwards not doing anything much, Tall forwards that cant kick straight and basically our midfield being out with some of the replacements not being up to it are more a problem the way I see it.
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Astbury is done! Been an excellent servant of our club but hes done imho. Time for Ben Miller to start getting games.
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Hardwick's update on Astbury:
“Dave’s been a little bit slower with regard to his achilles.
“He’ll be after the bye. He’s so just important to the way we play, but achilles’ can take a little bit of time.
Source: SEN (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/08/star-midfielder-a-chance-as-key-tigers-prepare-to-return/)
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Finito. Shame he didn't hang up the boots so we could take a second MSD.
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David Astbury
An unrestricted free agent at year’s end. Was curtailed by injury last year before coming back and performing in the finals. He’ll be 31 heading into next season, so a one-year deal is likely be on the cards if he opts to keep playing.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2021-richmond-out-of-contract-players-trade-period-shai-bolton-free-agents-list-changes-who-could-leave-at-end-of-year/news-story/e012bc0ab741abe7279d88757badcc95
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150th this week not that it matters much, given what they dished up in dustys 250th
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It's taken 11 years but Dave plays his 150th on Sunday :clapping.
2010 17 games
2011 5
2012 2
2013 5
2014 8
2015 4
2016 19
2017 25 ....... premiership
2018 22
2019 22 ....... premiership
2020 9 ....... premiership
2021 12*
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Total 150* games
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/D/David_Astbury.html
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I'd like to see how he plays out the season before pronouncing him 'finished'. Achilles injuries can make you look slow and past it, but if he gets that right, he might have another year in him. He's been very dependable over the past few years.
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Highlights: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/973748/150-games-for-astbury
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Hats off to him he's been a stalwart for about 5 years in a backline with blokes that have allowed him to play well but within his limits.
Has made the most of his 150 games and has 3 medals to show for it. Good on you mate and thank you.
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David Astbury on how his nickname 'Swoop' came about and his surprisingly detailed Wiki page, ahead of game 150.
https://twitter.com/BobandAndySEN/status/1413643126384648193
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That 5 year period of injuries defined me - David Astbury
Richmond defender David Astbury shed some light into his career ahead of 150 games.
Source: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=850071
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Dave has announced his retirement. Has been a fantastic triple premiership defender - thanks Dave!
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One of my favourite players started of slow with injuries , then looked like a rock played a big part in our flags.
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All class Dave :clapping
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Cheers Dave!
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Astbury calls time on 'absolute joy ride'
By Richmond Media - Just now
Veteran Richmond defender David Astbury has called time on his 154-game, 12-year AFL career.
Astbury, a triple premiership player, has been a key part of Richmond’s recent era of success as an important cog in the team’s first-choice back-line.
The 30-year-old said he was ready to move on from his 'absolute joy ride' of a football career.
“It really is a dream to be completely content with what my career consists of and be really proud of that,” he said.
“I am really humbled by the football club wanting to keep me around, but I know this decision is right for me and for the club going forward.
“I am so proud that I have fulfilled my career and my dream at one club, this club.
“People say it is just a game, and they have got a point. It is a game. But that is not the reason that you do it. This group has delivered hope, purpose, connection and joy to our people - the Richmond people. It is really special, and I am proud of that.”
Drafted No. 35 overall at the 2009 AFL National Draft, Astbury made his debut as a forward, booting a career-high three goals.
Injuries would then curtail the early parts of his career, as he managed just 24 senior games across a five-year span from 2011.
Astbury returned as a regular member of the team with 19 games in 2016 to finish 11th in the best and fairest.
The Tatyoon-product’s importance was underlined as his first uninterrupted campaign coincided with the Club’s drought-breaking 2017 premiership year.
Astbury played in all 25 games that year, averaging 15 disposals and six marks while often playing on the opposition's best tall forward.
Astbury again hardly missed through the successful 2018 (minor premiership) and 2019 (premiership) campaigns, playing in 22 games in each season.
The 195cm defender became a part of Tiger folklore in the 2019 Grand Final against GWS, holding his direct opponents to a single possession throughout the entire game.
Astbury would become one of 14 Richmond triple premiership players (2017-20) when he appeared in last year’s historic night Grand Final at the Gabba. After facing injuries throughout the year, the key defender played an important role throughout the finals series.
Off the field, Astbury has had a strong impact setting the Club’s culture. In 2020, Astbury received the David Mandie Community Award for his leadership and contributions throughout the Club and community.
The defender was particularly vocal and prominent in the playing group’s stance around the Black Lives Matter movement. He has held leadership roles throughout his time at the Club.
Astbury’s only coach in the AFL, Damien Hardwick, said that Astbury came into the organisation as an ‘incredible human’ but would leave an even better one and an all-time great of the football club.
“Dave is the epitome of the Richmond Man that we speak about all the time. The legacy that this man will leave is up there with the very best players at our footy club," Hardwick said.
“The legacy he leaves is one of selflessness and resilience. The man missed two years and has had 14 operations. Most people would have just given up. But not Dave Astbury.
“He has fought for 12 years for this footy club. He is one of the best Richmond Men I have ever seen.”
Astbury will line up for Richmond for the 155th and final time this Saturday against Hawthorn at the MCG.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1002713/astbury-calls-time-on-absolute-joy-ride-
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Well done David, congratulations and good luck.
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Absolute legend … a true Richmond man
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What a great story, I honestly thought he played more than 155 games.
Well done Dave.
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Well done Dave. Good time to go, although I thought 1 more year as depth wasn't unreasonable. Thanks for the good times.
Changing of the guard. I hope Houli follows your example.
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Champion player and person is Dave. Incredible retirement speech and someone who can be very proud of their career :cheers
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Here's the link to his speech.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1002759/astbury-announces-his-retirement?videoId=1002759&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1629158400001
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Premiership hero. All the best son
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Key cog in what was the backbone of our premiership sides and no doubt helped drive our culture.
Congrats on a great career :clapping
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Amazing speech .. not just a great player but a great human being too
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Did the #12 and RFC proud. Absolutely vital as the lockdown defender in our premiership run. Thank you for the service Dave
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I made my little daughter watch that speech. Loved it.
Great clubman who put himself second today.
Champion of our club, who goes out on a high.
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Will be remembered as one of the most underated figures.
What a speech. I'm not crying your crying.
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Go’s out a tiger legend
Thanks so much Dave
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Great speech. What a ripping bloke.
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Very moving, selfless and heartfelt speech. Well done and thanks Dave :clapping. It wasn't easy in the early days where injuries meant he only played 24 games in 5 years between his 2nd and 6th seasons. You got the best out of yourself Dave and earnt all your eventual success as a 3-time premiership player. As others have said you were a key component of our premiership backline. Congrats on a fantastic footy career and all the best for your post-footy future.
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An extremely selfless decision. Congratulations to him on a wonderful career. He fought through adversity with the injuries that plagued him early on and became a critical cog in the defence. His marking was a joy to watch and his ability to not get beaten one on one was also a highlight. Wish him all the best in retirement. A great servant of the club.
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Congrats on wonderful career. Brilliant speech
I much prefer players going out on their terms rather than being pushed.
Dave's been able to do that and at the same time do what's best for the Club he clearly loves.
That he understands how much the last 4 years have meant to us, the members, supporters and fans is a testament of the bloke he is.
Well done Dave and thank you
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What more can be said as he proved to be a solid contributor during our premiership era.
Loved the speech and all the tributes he made to those who were instrumental in not only his development but the success of the team
(Interestingly another player who failed to mention Chocco Williams :rollin)
I especially liked how he spoke of Rance too.
Wish him all the best. Well done. :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Very unrated as a player in a great backline, before he came along the monster forwards would have a field day against us, a smart bloke ( engineer) and a champion bloke. Hope he does something around the club.
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A 3 time premiership player makes him an immortal of the club.
1/6th of the best backline I’ve seen at Tigerland in the last 50 odd years.
With Rance also gone and Houli spent, it’s a backline that now needs work.
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He has the tools but I hope Balta looks at Astbury’s career and realises talent and athleticism only takes you so far. He got absolutely pantsed but a Josh Kennedy in his twilight years and should go over the tapes to see the amount of work and discipline Astbury put in to be an extremely underrated lockdown defender
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A 3 time premiership player makes him an immortal of the club.
1/6th of the best backline I’ve seen at Tigerland in the last 50 odd years.
With Rance also gone and Houli spent, it’s a backline that now needs work.
You got George down as an immortal too then?...
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A 3 time premiership player makes him an immortal of the club.
1/6th of the best backline I’ve seen at Tigerland in the last 50 odd years.
With Rance also gone and Houli spent, it’s a backline that now needs work.
You got George down as an immortal too then?...
He's had a bad year but was good until then.
Immortal for me
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A 3 time premiership player makes him an immortal of the club.
1/6th of the best backline I’ve seen at Tigerland in the last 50 odd years.
With Rance also gone and Houli spent, it’s a backline that now needs work.
You got George down as an immortal too then?...
100. 14 of them winning 3 flags. 20 years from now, that is how these boys will be judged.
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When he was young I was very much touch and go on him. Those injuries cruelled him but he recovered well. Well done on a great career.
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I saw him in a practice match at Shepperton in his first year (I think, long time ago) and he was matched against Buddy.He got to spanked as you would expect but I thought then that we had ourselves a long term Full Back to play on the big forwards. Pittty about the injuries and the super badluck (stingray injury) . A super important part of our stable premiership backline. Not everybody's favourite on these boards but certainly one of mine. Thanks Dave. You will be missed.
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Hope he gets the farewell game and a stint up forward to finish how he started... :shh
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Astbury on SEN today:
Listen here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=892819
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“I'M NOT JUMPING OFF THE GRAVY TRAIN“: TRIPLE-PREMIERSHIP TIGER SAYS THEY'LL BE BACK SOON
Nathan Jones
SEN
20 August 2021
Triple-premiership Tiger David Astbury believes Richmond are ready to rebound in the coming seasons.
With the Tigers trailing eighth-placed Essendon by four points and a tick under 10 per cent, five premiership players have made way for Saturday afternoon’s meeting with Hawthorn.
Plucked by Richmond from a wheat farm near the western Victorian town of Tatyoon back in 2009, Astbury will hang up the boots after 155 games in 12 seasons at Punt Road.
Despite the Tigers’ failure to qualify for the finals, he is insistent his retirement, along with Bachar Houli calling time, doesn’t signal the end of an era.
“I’m not jumping off the gravy train because I think it’s dried up or anything along those lines,“ he told SEN Breakfast on Friday morning.
“With the people at that football club in particular places, whether it be club administration, football department, other key players along the playing list and the developing youth…
“I really think they can - we can - rebound really strongly, really quickly.”
Young defender Sydney Stack has been re-integrated into the backline in the last six weeks, while triple-premiership forward Daniel Rioli has reignited his career behind the ball.
The key position stocks are promising; defensive linchpin Noah Balta will return to the team next season, while Callum Coleman-Jones has booted 11 goals in seven games.
In the midfield, coach Damien Hardwick has afforded opportunities to Thomson Dow, Will Martyn, Riley Collier-Dawkins, Jack Ross, none of whom are older than 21.
“I feel in the not too distant future, that team can be better,” Astbury continued.
“I certainly don’t think the Richmond supporters are going to be enduring a long stint of sparse joy.
“I feel it’ll continue, and the way the group has invested in it will ensure that too.”
As for Astbury, his cup is full.
“I’ve really enjoyed my humble role,” he reflected.
“I’ve always been conscious of not wanting to play for too long, or for the wrong reasons. I’ve been completely fulfilled with how my career has played out.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/20/im-not-jumping-off-the-gravy-train-triple-premiership-tiger-says-theyll-be/
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Retiring Richmond defender David Astbury has named his two most admired opponents.
“There’s two who I’ve played on who I really appreciate and admire, and that’s Josh Kennedy from the west, and Tommy Hawkins,” Astbury said on SEN Breakfast.
“They both keep you so honest, and they’re both such good people, they’re both so good for footy.
“It would be very difficult to split them, but they’re definitely the two guys I’ve always had my hands full with.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/retiring-tiger-names-his-two-most-admired-opponents/
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Great montage video on his insta.
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"Looks like my source was spot on.
Huge signings for Bundoora coming with Astbury and Ling Jong."
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/nfnl-div-1-2021.1253662/page-44#post-72221390
If this is true then Dave will be joining ex-Tiger Sam Lloyd at Bundoora.
https://www.facebook.com/bundooraFNC/posts/1718508718349784
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Richmond footballer David Astbury to headline Mininera and District Football League centenary celebrations
YELLOW AND BLACK: Richmond premiership player David Astbury will be guest speaker at a Mininera and District Football League function on Saturday.
https://www.standard.net.au/story/7752753/premiership-tiger-returning-home-for-centenary-celebrations/
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'This is your Journey - David Astbury'.
LISTEN HERE: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/NTETP5142225010?selected=NTETP1163100289
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David Astbury first played for Tatyoon before becoming a three-time Richmond premiership player. After retiring from the AFL at the end of 2021, he is heading home. Find out what is motivating his return to where it all started.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mininera-and-district-richmond-star-david-astbury-returns-to-tatyoon/news-story/289eea5def1518ec3b3ec0999fe0e921?amp