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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 26, 2009, 07:25:58 PM
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Welcome Troy :)
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Troy Taylor
D.O.B: 12-Sep-1991
Club: NT Thunder
State: NT
Height: 188cm
Weight: 75kg
Position: Forward
Agile footballer with clean skills by both hand and foot. Second efforts, ball winning ability and marking are also features of his game. NT U18 representative in 2009. From South Alice Springs FC.
Video: http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=116030 (http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=116030)
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Taller than I expected. Thought he was a small forward but at 188 cm pleasantly surprised. :thumbsup
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pick of the bunch they are saying.
looks the goods
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his skills, ball handling and marking are a feature, looks very slow, probably nowhere near conditioned right? Hope his work ethic is strng, has the goods to be a real player looking at footage
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Absolutely rapt with this selection :thumbsup
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2009 National Draft - Troy Taylor
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals/0/richmond_docs/troy%20taylor%20web.jpg)
Troy Taylor highlights: http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/226075
DOB: 12/09/91
Height: 188.7cm
Weight: 76.5kg
Club: Northern Territory U18, NT Thunder-QAFL
What the recruiters say:
Troy is an exciting indigenous talent from the Northern Territory who came to notice in a warm up match for the NT Thunder U18 team in their TAC Cup against Dandenong in round 5. Troy put his special talent on display with 2 exceptional goals and 6 tackles.
Troy was in good form at the start of the U18 National Championships with a 3 goals against Tasmania in game 1 at Visy Park and then followed up with 3 goals against NSW on a rain soaked oval at Telstra Stadium in Sydney.
Troy has tremendous athletic ability to jump at the footy and mark from all angles. He has the great ability to win contested possession in tight situations with amazing ball handling and deft touch to his own advantage. His contested possession ratio to uncontested was 7:5 over the carnival while having 9 contested marks to 8 uncontested.
Troy will continue to be developed as a medium forward as the club looks to add more exciting, unpredictable talent to its forward structures.
Troy Taylor in his own words:
What type of player are you?
Physical and strong.
Which AFL player do you resemble, and why?
Daryl White and Jared Brennan – I feel I have the skills that they have.
What are your strengths as a footballer?
Marking, jumping, kicking and a team player.
What parts of your game would you like to improve?
Fitness.
Which AFL team do you support and how did you come to barrack for them?
St. Kilda, because my father barracks for them.
Who has been the biggest influence on your career so far, and why?
Mum, coaches, team members and uncles. They have supported me mentally and have been positive at all times.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2010/2009NationalDraft/TroyTaylor/tabid/15512/Default.aspx
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http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/226079 (http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/226079)
some good footage, his tempo looks good in parts. like the fact he mentions fitness as what he needs to work on, afl fit, he wll be one hell of a player
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his skills, ball handling and marking are a feature, looks very slow, probably nowhere near conditioned right? Hope his work ethic is strng, has the goods to be a real player looking at footage
Got a feeling he may be a bit deceptive here. looking at some footage he looked to be cruising but the chaser was running his guts out but not getting any closer.
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watch and :gobdrop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5iS6YXmZ8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5iS6YXmZ8)
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And Burgan had him going 18-34. We picked him up at 51. Another example of how hopeless Jackson is.
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Some artilces on Taylor....
Fantastic month for 17-y-o Troy Taylor
Max Bennett
17Jul09
IN a matter of weeks Troy Taylor, 17, has gone from playing for South in the Ngurratjuta Cup competition at Traeger Park to appearing on national television at the AFL under-18 championships.
Taylor made his Thunder senior debut in the QAFL last weekend and hopes he can cement a spot in the side ahead of a double-header in Alice Springs, an opportunity that excites the AFL hopeful.
He said: "It's going to be great to play in front of my family and friends here.
"I'm really looking forward to hopefully playing those games if I get picked.
''Along the way he has been compared to Port Adelaide superstar Daniel Motlop by no less than AFL recruiting manager Kevin Sheehan and AIS-AFL Academy head coach Jason McCartney.
Taylor said: "I don't really think its true.
"I do a bit of freaky stuff but I don't think I'm like Daniel Motlop but it's good for them to say I'm like him because he's an AFL star.
''Still getting his head around it all, Taylor admitted it was nice to be back in familiar surrounds, hanging out with friends and enjoying the school holidays.
He said: "It's a bit of a shock to be playing for South, then to be playing at the under-18 championships and get a game in the Thunder senior side."It's been pretty crazy but I'm coping with it all.
''Taylor played the final two games of the championships in Melbourne as part of the NT side that ultimately defeated Queensland in the final match telecast on Fox Sports with every recruiter in the country watching his every move.
Admitting he was feeling the nerves, Taylor said he had to push all the other things going on out of his mind and concentrate on doing his bit for the team.
He said: "I try to do my best because I do know the recruiters are watching, so I try and do well for them and the team."But the team is the main focus.''
http://www.centralianadvocate.com.au/article/2009/07/17/3975_sport.html
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Troy Taylor
Age: 18
Statistic averages in the Under 18 Championships:
Team NT
Matches 5
Kicks 9.6
Kicking Efficiency % 45.8
Handballs 3.4
Disposals 13
Disposal Efficiency % 47.7
Marks 3.4
Contested Possessions 7.2
Uncontested Possessions 5.4
Clearances 1.2
Tackles 3.2
Goals 1.4
Behinds 1.6
Position: Forward Pocket/Third Forward
Troy Taylor is an X-Factor player who has regularly been likened to Motlop in terms of the way he plays his football. Capable of the freakish Taylor has shown a capacity to influence games with a handful of touches, something which has a lot of people excited about his potential AFL career.
Many expected Troy Taylor to end up at the Gold Coast, who chased him heavily, but the lure of playing at an AFL club next year has seen him decline that route.
There are a few question marks that may keep Taylor out of the first round of the draft in that his attitude and work rate have been questioned in the past. I suspect much of this stems from a couple run-ins with the law he has had for robberies and assault but it has been suggested that he is actually a terrific bloke who mixed with the wrong crowd. Whatever the case the recruiters put potential draftees through a lot of tough questions at draft camp and I’m sure most clubs will be able to look past previous indiscretions.
Personally I have Taylor going late second round but that has me in the minority as most expect a late first/early second round pick to be used. Whilst Troy Taylor has amazing hands, agility and vision I worry about his kicking, fitness and attitude which caused him to slide, full of potential though and exciting to watch.
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/11/troy-taylor-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html
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Taylor the prize in tug-of-war
The Age
October 4, 2009
THE Sunday Age first met Troy Taylor on a Wednesday afternoon in July. The teenager had just played his final game for the Northern Territory's under-18 football team, attracting attention yet again with his clean pick-ups and sweet skills. Recruiters were speaking of him in terms of a possible first-round pick, but the Gold Coast was intent on signing him outside the draft, as part of its concessions.
Taylor wasn't quite sure what to make of all the fuss, and this choice he never knew he had. Only a few months earlier, he had been in a juvenile detention centre in Darwin; a potential AFL career was the last thing on his mind.
Taylor and his mother Tania spoke openly about the trouble he had got into: latching onto the wrong mates, helping them rob a service station in Darwin, breaching a good-behaviour bond by sneaking out at night and getting into fights, the last of which resulted in him being placed in the detention centre for four months. He walked out in February determined to never go back and since then has moved to Alice Springs with his mum, been welcomed back into the Territory team, starred, played a handful of games for the senior Territory team in the Queensland league and been invited to last week's draft camp in Canberra.
Now, the 17-year-old has essentially become caught in a tug of war.
The Gold Coast, which has first call on Queensland and NT players this year and next, wanted him. Almost straight after the championships, the club's coaches, Guy McKenna, Shaun Hart and Marcus Ashcroft, showed Troy, Tania and Troy's older brother Corey around their club and the district, delivering an impressive sales pitch.
''They showed us the beaches and the club, and they took me to the school where I'd be going with some of the other Gold Coast boys if I went up there,'' said Taylor, who has gone back to year 11 this year. ''It looked heaps good. It looked awesome, actually. I thought it would be pretty good.''
Since then, though, he has had Collingwood, Fremantle, Port Adelaide and North Melbourne visit him. Speaking to them, he started to imagine what it would be like to be at an AFL club next year, not having to wait until 2011, when the Gold Coast will play its first game. At 17, 2011 feels like ages away.
Troy spoke to his mum, who, when all this talk started, had no idea what to make of it. He found a manager, Justin Dover, from Stride's Perth office, who, as an independent voice, tried to present Troy with all the information he needed, and encourage him to make his own choice.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/taylor-the-prize-in-tugofwar/2009/10/03/1254418753752.html
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Let's hope he's now got his act together for good.
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Welcome to the club Troy, can't wait to see you in action!!
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Good article on the Age site today. Really liked the bit at the bottom with the players getting in touch. Also interesting about the lack of welfare/development resources - Casey really did screw our club over big time. >:(
New horizons
EMMA QUAYLE
November 28, 2009
Troy Taylor at Alice Springs.
Troy Taylor at Alice Springs. Photo: Steve Strike
TROY Taylor work up early on Thursday morning and stayed in bed for a while, staring up at the ceiling. This was the day he had been waiting for. Which club would call his name out in the draft? Would any club call his name out? Taylor knew he would be moving to a new city this weekend, but which one would it be? 'This is strange,' thought the teenager, 'but I don't really feel too nervous here.'
The calm didn't last. As the draft telecast started, Taylor felt confident, if not entirely convinced, that he would be picked. Then the names started to roll from the recruiters' lips.
He wasn't in the first round. He wasn't called in the second. He wasn't there in the third, and then he started to wonder: will someone pick me? His legs starting twitching and his mother Tania - who knew nothing about football until a few months ago, let alone the drafting process - reminded him that Adam Goodes had been a late pick.
''I was waiting, waiting and waiting,'' he said. ''I was nervous when it started, then I got 100 times more nervous. My mum just kept telling me: calm down.''
For the clubs, deciding whether to draft Troy Taylor was not merely a matter of deciding whether he could be a good player for them - whether or not they liked him, whether or not he suited them.
They also had to determine whether they were a place that could bring out the best of his speedy feet, quick hands and instinctive eye for the impossible goal. They had to decide whether they suited him, in a sense.
Four months ago, The Age met Taylor at the end of the national under-18 championships. Having only just joined the Northern Territory team in April, he had caught some major eyes throughout the six-week tournament.
Managers wanted to speak with him, the Gold Coast wanted to sign him and Taylor wasn't entirely sure what to make of all the fuss. A few months earlier, in February, he had been sitting inside Darwin's Don Dale youth detention centre completing a four-month stay, the result of helping his mates rob a convenience story as a 16-year-old, regularly breaking his curfew and some assaults.
Then, the teenager would never have imagined playing in front of AFL scouts, let alone being drafted, but he shared his story because he wanted the clubs to know he understood what he had done and was absolutely certain that he didn't want any more trouble.
By the draft camp in October he had knocked back an offer to join the Gold Coast and been interviewed by Collingwood, Port Adelaide and the even-more-interested Fremantle and North Melbourne, who flew to Alice Springs to meet him.
Being convinced by Fremantle that it had the players, off-field mentors and structure to look after Troy was the major factor in his decision to enter the draft: initially concerned at the prospect of her son ending up in Perth, Tania felt more comfortable with the idea by the end of their meeting. And so, Troy began the long wait that ended at pick 51 on Thursday night, with Richmond the club to call his name out.
Like everyone, the Tigers had done their research. Like every club, they had been emailed the list of basic probation conditions that Troy's manager Jason Dover had worked hard with the Northern Territory Department of Justice, the AFL and the Players Association to draw up, so that he could transfer interstate. They'd taken time to wonder whether they would be a good fit for Troy, too.
Francis Jackson, the Richmond recruiting manager, has no doubt some clubs were put off by Troy's past. He believes that three or four years ago, the Tigers would not have been in a position to offer Taylor both the on and off-field support he knows he will need to settle in and become what he is capable of. But in calling his name, he had no doubt Punt Road would be a place where he could thrive. ''There was no question on his footy ability. He doesn't fully understand the requirements of professional footy yet and patience will be a virtue, but I think we're in a far better position to give Troy the support and development he needs than we would have a few years ago,'' said Jackson, pointing out that when he started at Richmond three and a half years ago, the club had no fully-devoted welfare or development staff.
Now, there are four. ''I think we're far better resourced in that area now, and we're in a good position to give Troy the help he needs not just to succeed in footy, but with every other part of his life,'' Jackson said. ''He'll do the AFLPA traineeship, but we've talked about him continuing his education and through our indigenous centre we think there will be some opportunities for Troy to be involved in some indigenous community stuff here at the club, which is another positive. He'll have a good role model in Richard Tambling and, of course, we needed to take everything into account when we drafted him. Everyone deserves a chance. It's going to take him some time to understand what professional footy is - I'm sure he doesn't understand that yet - but he's a very talented player and we're willing to put a lot of effort into making sure that we bring that talent out.''
Dover, who has looked after Troy for the past few months, will now start working with the Tigers to help both parties make the transition. Grateful for the Department of Justice's enthusiasm for Taylor's draft prospects, he believes a football club is the ideal place for him to be.
''Everyone associated with Troy has always thought that if we could get him into the system - any club within the system - it was going to be the best thing for him to get his life back on track,'' Dover said.
''It's structured, it's disciplined, and his peers are going to help get him on the right track simply through living the lifestyle they live.
''Whereas previously he's been misled, now we're hoping he'll be well led. We were saying the other day, if he gets good people around him, who lead him in the right direction, it can only be a positive.
''It's exciting, because this is where it all starts for him now. He's been given an opportunity and I don't think he underestimates that. There are plenty of kids who miss out, and he understands that.''
Taylor wasn't even looking when his name flashed up on the television screen: the screaming of his family and friends let him know something had happened, and before long he was holding simultaneous conversations on two or three different phones. He had a call from his new coach Damien Hardwick, another from Tambling, another from Brett Deledio, another from fellow Centralian Liam Jurrah and one from his uncle: Ernie Dingo. Later, text messages from numerous other Tigers, Jack Riewoldt and Ben Cousins among them, came through.
Weird? Yes. ''Ben was just saying good on you Troy, I'm glad you're at the Tigers and look forward to having a kick with you,'' Taylor said.
''I didn't have any of their numbers, so I was always getting to the bottom of the message, seeing their name and thinking: what?
''I'm just happy now that it's happened. I can't wait to get down to the big footy town and get stuck into it, start working hard.
''I never thought it would happen to me so this is a good chance and I'm looking forward to it. I just hope I can get a game next year now. I'll be trying my hardest to.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-horizons-20091127-jwzs.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-horizons-20091127-jwzs.html)
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Welcome to the club Troy, hope you reach your full potential and have a long and great career at the TIGERS
:gotigers
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This is probably a soft/big call, but i reckon this kid will debut round 1 with The Aston.
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This is probably a soft/big call, but i reckon this kid will debut round 1 with The Aston.
would be nice to see but i doubt it. simply not fit enough. only joined NT thunder around april so only had about 7 months of formal organised training. Hence obviously talented and skillful but engine not there yet. more likely later in the season.
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This is probably a soft/big call, but i reckon this kid will debut round 1 with The Aston.
would be nice to see but i doubt it. simply not fit enough. only joined NT thunder around april so only had about 7 months of formal organised training. Hence obviously talented and skillful but engine not there yet. more likely later in the season.
ahhhh fair fair, i was just making a baseless prediction for the fun of it! Do you think any of the other draftees will debut round 1?
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This is probably a soft/big call, but i reckon this kid will debut round 1 with The Aston.
would be nice to see but i doubt it. simply not fit enough. only joined NT thunder around april so only had about 7 months of formal organised training. Hence obviously talented and skillful but engine not there yet. more likely later in the season.
ahhhh fair fair, i was just making a baseless prediction for the fun of it! Do you think any of the other draftees will debut round 1?
round 1, apart from martin, probably no one else. Due to the lack of tall forward depth, it could be possible that astbury gets a run if he impresses pre-season (not griffiths as i think due to his recent surgery, he simply wouldn't have had enough of a pre-season).
other than that, if you count mitch farmer as a new recruit, then he's another who could play round 1
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If Webberley shows something in the NAB cup then he would be a chance - he is more conditioned than the younger draftees - as in Liam Anthony, Greg Broughton, Robin Nahas etc.
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Was very happy listening to SEN when his name came out @ pick #51
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New cub meets Tigers
Max Bennett
01Dec09
CENTRAL Australia's newest AFL star Troy Taylor was welcomed to his new home at Punt Road Oval and has wasted no time impressing his teammates.
Taken at pick 51 by Richmond in last week's AFL National Draft, Taylor has enjoyed a whirlwind couple of days that saw him fly down to Melbourne on Saturday.
He said it has been a full-on experience since he set foot in Melbourne but that he has thoroughly enjoyed every moment.
Taylor said: "It's all happened pretty quickly.
"One minute I'm in Alice celebrating with my friends and family, the next I'm in Melbourne meeting all the players.
"We've been meeting all the staff around the club and meeting sponsors, which has been good, and meeting the leadership group too.
"It's been busy but I've really enjoyed it.''
Meeting with the club's leadership group, club officials and sponsors has been part and parcel of Taylor's short time at Richmond but he was finally given the chance to strut his stuff yesterday at training.
taying with Tiger Will Thursfield until a more settled living arrangement is organised, Taylor is enjoying Melbourne and the unique weather patterns that go with it.
He said: "I'm staying with Will at the moment and he's been really helpful.
"Melbourne's been pretty good but the weather's always changing.
"One minute it's raining, then it's windy and then it gets really hot.''
Today Taylor will meet his new coach Damien Hardwick, with the two likely to discuss future plans for the talented 18-year-old.
He said: "I'll sit down with the coach and discuss what he wants me to do and see what I'll be be doing for the pre-season.''
Taylor will stay in Melbourne until Christmas before returning to Alice Springs for a short break, after which he will head back to Victoria to resume training.
http://www.centralianadvocate.com.au/article/2009/12/01/5471_sport.html
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Sounds like he is going to be fine, as long as he keeps out of strife when he goes home for holidays. He is keen as mustard, and damn talented, what a coup! :thumbsup
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Sounds like he is going to be fine, as long as he keeps out of strife when he goes home for holidays. He is keen as mustard, and damn talented, what a coup! :thumbsup
It was up here in Darwin that he was in with the wrong crowd an got into trouble. I believe his mum moved them to Alice to get away from that so it shouldnt be a problem. (Smart woman)
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Fair enough. He has a dedicated mum there trying to look out for him, big move from Darwin to Alice. I doff my cap to her and hope it pays off.
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Today Taylor will meet his new coach Damien Hardwick, with the two likely to discuss future plans for the talented 18-year-old.
He said: "I'll sit down with the coach and discuss what he wants me to do and see what I'll be be doing for the pre-season.''
I like this new initiative from the Tigers, the senior coach actually talking to the young kids.
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How footy freed a troubled teen
Emma Quayle | July 12, 2009
Meet Troy Taylor, a once-troubled 17-year-old with a big future ahead of him. As Emma Quayle learns, he's come a long way already.
THEY saw him for the first time in May, early one Saturday morning. The Northern Territory's under-18 football team was playing the Dandenong Stingrays in a warm-up match for the national championships, and scattered around the cold, suburban oval in Melbourne's south-east was a small group of parents, friends and AFL recruiters, looking for the next big thing.
First, Troy Taylor scooped the ball cleanly off the ground, while running at full pace. He sidestepped an opponent, sliding by him. He kicked two smart, skilful goals. All day, he crunched opponents to the ground, laying six fierce tackles. Within just a few minutes, the recruiters' heads had turned. "There were a group of us, all looking around," said Kevin Sheehan, the AFL's talent manager, "asking: 'Where has this kid been?' "
This time last year, Troy Taylor didn't want to be the next big thing. All of a sudden, football had become boring to him. Growing up in Darwin, the teenager had made the territory's under-14 and under-15 teams, but after he was picked in the under-16 squad, he stopped showing up for training. At school, Taylor had made a couple of new friends, and they had other thoughts on how he should be spending his spare time. On a Saturday night two years ago, when one of them suggested they rob a service station near their homes, Taylor wondered: why would you want to do that? But he was bored, and frustrated. He wanted to fit in, to do what his mates were doing.
When he walked into the store, he turned and walked back out. "It was pretty scary," he said. "Every time I walked in I was thinking: I don't want to do this. But in the end I turned around and thought, let's just do it. I don't know why. There was a lady in there and my mate just told her to give us the money, really, and she did what he said and we took off."
It was scary, but also a rush. "I was pretty happy, you know," Taylor said. "I got a bit of money out of it, so I was sort of happy, just to get a bit of money. I wasn't even thinking properly, but then after a while I got pretty scared. I was just looking at myself, thinking: why would you go and do that?"
Taylor was placed on a good behaviour bond when he was eventually caught three months later. He was placed on a nightly curfew, but this wasn't where his story began to turn around. Instead, he became more angry, more frustrated, more bored. "I kept thinking: I'm missing out on a bit of fun here, so I'd better take off," he says. "And every time I'd take off, the police would come around, and I wouldn't be there." After a while, the teenager's behaviour began to drain the energy of the people who cared about him.
Taylor's mother, Tania, had his siblings to look after at home, and no car. She had also reached a point where she no longer knew what to say to him.
"He didn't listen to anything, to anyone, except for his mates," she told The Sunday Age.
"He didn't want to listen - he was too busy having a good time, getting into trouble. With the police, he sort of knew their pattern, when they'd be around. I kept telling him: 'I'm going to go in and tell them they need to be checking you every day of the week, twice a night.' He said, 'Why would you do that?' and I said, 'Troy, no one knows how to help you any more'."
Taylor found himself in more trouble. He spent a weekend in a detention centre early last year and did a few more weeks here and there. He found himself in court again after "a couple of assaults" and found out there was a final straw.
Where was he, two months before that match against Dandenong? Taylor was sitting in a jail cell, nearing the end of a four-month stay in Darwin's Don Dale Youth Detention Centre after another late, drunken night with his mates ended in another fight.
Even before he was sentenced, the 17-year-old had come to realise this was not, really, how he wanted to live his life. "I was pretty scared about it," he admitted, "but mostly I thought: 'I don't want to be like this any more'." Inside, he started some classes; since his release, he has gone back to repeat year 11, and stuck at it.
His mum found him more willing to listen, and tried to help him look ahead. "I kept saying, 'you've got to come out of here and take your chance,' " she said. "He knew if he messed up another time, he'd be looking at the big place and everyone kept saying to him, 'you just need to come out, do the right thing and have another go at it.' "
She believes that even when she couldn't be there, the same message was pushed. "It was good because a lot of the officers in there were football players as well," she said. "Troy found it hard because his father wasn't around, he didn't have many male role models. But some of those officers had a good influence on him."
For Taylor, a low point came when one of his junior teammates turned up at the centre to host a football clinic. "It was really embarrassing, you know, to see one of my football mates come in and see me locked up," he said. "He looked at me, like: 'What the hell is he doing in here?' I tried to hide myself, I didn't want him to see me."
The four months were long: Taylor felt depressed at times, homesick all the time, and at other points optimistic. "I'd go to court and I'd just be hoping I'd get bail to go home and stay home. I really wanted to go home," he said. "It was a bit scary in that place. I reckon it was the scariest part of my life."
On February 28, he finally walked out. "Just waking up that morning was so good. I couldn't really sleep the night before," he said. "It was good to go outside and see my mum and take off out of the gates. After all that, all my trouble, I was really thinking to myself: I'm just going to change my whole life now and move on and leave all that stuff in the past."
Football has helped him. Taylor moved with his brother Corey and mother to Alice Springs when he was released. Mrs Taylor had got a new teaching job. She wanted to take him away from the negative influences in Darwin, and his guardian, a family friend, Jason Bell, lived there.
He started playing footy for South Alice Springs and, like that Saturday morning in Dandenong, he was noticed within a few minutes. Coaching against Souths in an Easter carnival match, Brett Hand, the territory's under-18 coach, watched Taylor play in the ruck and star. Later, he and Jarrod Chipperfield, the AFL's NT talent manager, sat with the teenager and asked if he wanted to rejoin the program.
Taylor was surprised: "I never thought they'd want me." But to write a kid off at 17, said Hand, was ridiculous. "We sat with Troy and asked him how things were going, and we said: 'What do you want to do?'
"He said, 'I want to go as far as I can with my footy. I see it as a pathway out of trouble.' So he started training with a squad we have in Alice, and he hasn't set a foot wrong since. He's a good kid, a really nice kid. He's done a really good job."
Taylor has come a long way. He starred for the territory at the national championships, a five-match series that finished in Melbourne last week.
Now he has some decisions to make.
Turning 18 later this year, he is able to enter the November player draft and potentially get picked by any AFL club, in any state. But as a Territorian, he is also eligible to sign with the new Gold Coast club, as part of its draft concessions. He met Gold Coast officials after the territory's final game, and flew there yesterday with his mum and Corey. Today, he will debut for the senior NT side in a Queensland state league match against Mount Gravatt.
"He's had a lot to get used to and it's happened in a big hurry," said Chipperfield. "We'll make sure that he gets a good manager and gets some good advice. The kid's head is spinning, but we'll make sure he's clear on all the options."
Taylor's mum has seen her kid's confidence shine in the past few weeks. "It's been such a big turnaround," she said. "I'm pretty proud of him."
Hand has come to know him as a quiet, respectful man who likes to ask questions and follow instructions. "Troy's had a tough life and he's got a long way to go. He knows that, but he's doing well and he's got some good people in his life . . . I just really hope this kid makes it."
And Taylor? He has started over. He wanted to tell his story because he wants people to know where he's been and that he won't be going back. "Footy's the big thing for my life now. It's my path now," he said. "Footy's turned me right around."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/07/12/1247337016523.html
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Today Taylor will meet his new coach Damien Hardwick, with the two likely to discuss future plans for the talented 18-year-old.
He said: "I'll sit down with the coach and discuss what he wants me to do and see what I'll be be doing for the pre-season.''
I like this new initiative from the Tigers, the senior coach actually talking to the young kids.
Better policy than Wallace 'i talk to 1st and 2nd year players once every 2 months'
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hope Taylor turns out to be a superstar!
and please do the right things!
:)
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This is probably a soft/big call, but i reckon this kid will debut round 1 with The Aston.
would be nice to see but i doubt it. simply not fit enough. only joined NT thunder around april so only had about 7 months of formal organised training. Hence obviously talented and skillful but engine not there yet. more likely later in the season.
ahhhh fair fair, i was just making a baseless prediction for the fun of it! Do you think any of the other draftees will debut round 1?
round 1, apart from martin, probably no one else. Due to the lack of tall forward depth, it could be possible that astbury gets a run if he impresses pre-season (not griffiths as i think due to his recent surgery, he simply wouldn't have had enough of a pre-season).
other than that, if you count mitch farmer as a new recruit, then he's another who could play round 1
Mitch Farmer bloody well better debut early. I don't want him to be another fringe player pick up like Tom Hislop. If he doesn't (barring injury) it would show a lack of drafting credibility for Hardwick as he must have known Farmer before.
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Mitch Farmer bloody well better debut early. I don't want him to be another fringe player pick up like Tom Hislop. If he doesn't (barring injury) it would show a lack of drafting credibility for Hardwick as he must have known Farmer before.
Why would he have known him before?
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Mitch Farmer bloody well better debut early. I don't want him to be another fringe player pick up like Tom Hislop. If he doesn't (barring injury) it would show a lack of drafting credibility for Hardwick as he must have known Farmer before.
Why would he have known him before?
Apparently Farmer was at Port when Dimma was there also.
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Mitch Farmer bloody well better debut early. I don't want him to be another fringe player pick up like Tom Hislop. If he doesn't (barring injury) it would show a lack of drafting credibility for Hardwick as he must have known Farmer before.
Why would he have known him before?
Apparently Farmer was at Port when Dimma was there also.
Don't think so. Hardwick went to Hawthorn in 2005 and Farmer was drafted in 2007
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Mitch Farmer bloody well better debut early. I don't want him to be another fringe player pick up like Tom Hislop. If he doesn't (barring injury) it would show a lack of drafting credibility for Hardwick as he must have known Farmer before.
Why would he have known him before?
Apparently Farmer was at Port when Dimma was there also.
Don't think so. Hardwick went to Hawthorn in 2005 and Farmer was drafted in 2007
Yeah, that's why I asked the question. I thought Hardwick was long gone before Farmer arrived so wasn't sure if I had missed something.
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Mitch Farmer bloody well better debut early. I don't want him to be another fringe player pick up like Tom Hislop. If he doesn't (barring injury) it would show a lack of drafting credibility for Hardwick as he must have known Farmer before.
I think Adam Thomson may have been a better comparison than Hislop. He played in 12 games and showed a bit. Thomson only started in two.
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Thomson was the better recruit imo but got that nasty sternum injury
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Thompson and Hislop are both rubbish players. Face facts people
Choco has an eye for talent and if he didn't see anything in Farmer i dont hold much hope for F.J picking a hidden gem
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Choco has an eye for talent and if he didn't see anything in Farmer i dont hold much hope for F.J picking a hidden gem
Fact is Farmer wanted to come home.
Port wanted him to stay and he wanted to come home, one reason being lack of opportunities at Port.
Mitch had some very interesting things to say at Club80 when he was asked about the biggest difference between the 2 Clubs... he suggested that Port isn't big on giving young blokes a go.. Choco likes to stick with his older established blokes when things go pear shaped
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Thompson and Hislop are both rubbish players. Face facts people
Choco has an eye for talent and if he didn't see anything in Farmer i dont hold much hope for F.J picking a hidden gem
I have faced the facts Daniel- they are both poo! Both to slow and cannot kick.
Farmer is a little different at this stage, still have hope for him but will only have to see 1 or 2 games to be able to tell.
Also WP, on Choco not giving young blocks a game, if this kid was dominating in the twos he would pick himself. Port aint that good!
I truely hope he becomes a star, as i have said before, we are due for a change of luck!!!!! :pray
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In Thomsons second game for us he was spearing some beautiful long kicks straight out of the guts down the forwards throats, he did it twice so it was no fluke. I was surprised considering he was supposedly such a poo kick. He is a hard at it player and wins hard ball, I wouldn't write him off just yet, he was on the wrong end of a nasty injury which kept him out all year.
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Also WP, on Choco not giving young blocks a game, if this kid was dominating in the twos he would pick himself. Port aint that good!
I truely hope he becomes a star, as i have said before, we are due for a change of luck!!!!! :pray
Only going by what the kid said. If you check out Con65's report from Club80 you'll see it's called the 100 game club.
Also in the 2nd half of the seaosn he did star in the SANFL but it made no difference. His first half of the year he had problems at his first SANFL club - the coach wouldn't play a number of AFL players
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he suggested that Port isn't big on giving young blokes a go.. Choco likes to stick with his older established blokes when things go pear shaped
Sounds like Wallace... :whistle
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Mitch Farmer bloody well better debut early. I don't want him to be another fringe player pick up like Tom Hislop. If he doesn't (barring injury) it would show a lack of drafting credibility for Hardwick as he must have known Farmer before.
Why would he have known him before?
Apparently Farmer was at Port when Dimma was there also.
Don't think so. Hardwick went to Hawthorn in 2005 and Farmer was drafted in 2007
Eh I eat my words Oh well. I thought he had been drafted earlier and Hardwick moved later.
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Thompson and Hislop are both rubbish players. Face facts people
Choco has an eye for talent and if he didn't see anything in Farmer i dont hold much hope for F.J picking a hidden gem
Does he now? Then why are Port going down the gurgler?
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Tiger Troy Taylor accused of assault
* Matt Cunningham, Darwin
* From: Herald Sun
* January 07, 2010
A RICHMOND draftee has been accused of assaulting three people in Alice Springs on New Year's Eve.
Troy Taylor, 18, was taken by Richmond with pick 51 in the 2009 national draft.
But his AFL future is in in doubt after his alleged involvement in an incident in which one man was taken to hospital and another two injured.
Northern Territory police last night confirmed they were investigating the alleged assault of three men aged 33, 39 and 47, at a party in Alice Springs about 12.30am on New Year's Day.
One of the alleged victims told the Herald Sun Taylor was among a group of teenagers that gatecrashed the street party just after midnight.
Barry Parkinson said the young men were letting off firecrackers. He claimed when he approached Taylor and asked him to leave the party, Taylor slapped him in the face.
Mr Parkinson said he then grabbed Taylor by the shirt and marched him on to the road.
"I let him go and just as I let go of him he hit me in the jaw and knocked me to the ground," he alleged. "As I tried to get off the ground he hit me in the face and nearly knocked my teeth out."
Witnesses told the Herald Sun that Taylor then hit another man who ran over to help Mr Parkinson.
The 47-year-old was knocked unconscious and had to be taken to Alice Springs Hospital for treatment. A third man was also allegedly assaulted.
Police spokeswoman Theresa Kuilboer said the incident was being investigated but no arrests had been made.
"Police received reports from the victims and other witnesses that the three were assaulted after asking another group of uninvited guests to leave the area," she said.
Taylor and the Richmond Football Club did not return calls last night.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-troy-taylor-accused-of-assault/story-e6frf9io-1225816762245
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Should I say it ??? better not
What a loser f him off :banghead
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Didn't the club say he had left his past behind him. Oh boy we have a time bomb here, maybe the change of scene to Melbourne will help him.
His highlight tape showed he could play footy, so it'd be a pity for him to be a waste
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let's wait for it to be confirmed before we make any harsh judgements
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As peggles suggests will wait until we know all the facts from the investigation but if the alleged story is true and he can't stay out of trouble off the field then he's wasting everyone's time at the Club.
There goes our low profile preseason btw :P
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
>:(
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As peggles suggests will wait until we know all the facts from the investigation but if the alleged story is true and he can't stay out of trouble off the field then he's wasting everyone's time at the Club.
There goes our low profile preseason btw :P
if he was a model citizen, he maybe goes 1st or 2nd round. We rolled the dice and will find out if his number is up in a few days.
Might be 2 players(lovett the other) booted out of the comp before 2010 even starts!!!
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The kid is not going to get a better oppertunity to develop himself and those around him if he is to become a succesful AFL player. You can't rob him of that chance for I'm guessing a drunken fracas. Get him in and around the club with good people and he will be fine.
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Assuming he doesn't go to jail because of his prior convictions (he's on parole), we should ban him from leaving Melbourne. If his family wants to see him, they can come here.
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Well lets do the right thing and support him eh folks or are we turning into the eat your own brigade AGAIN?????? Geezus is that the full story..... must be because you all want to hang him at the moment. The Carlton supporters at least stuck by their 4 clowns but no not some of you lot!!!!! Lets just judge him by rule .303.... amazing, simply amazing!! :banghead
I am sure Hardwick will deal with it, regardless of which way it goes support for a change would be nice!!
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Well lets do the right thing and support him eh folks or are we turning into the eat your own brigade AGAIN?????? Geezus is that the full story..... must be because you all want to hang him at the moment. The Carlton supporters at least stuck by their 4 clowns but no not some of you lot!!!!! Lets just judge him by rule .303.... amazing, simply amazing!! :banghead
I am sure Hardwick will deal with it, regardless of which way it goes support for a change would be nice!!
The thing that makes it worse for him is he has priors and this time last year was in a youth detention centre as a result of brawling in Darwin so it looks bad. But as we've said we should wait for the full police investigation and get the whole story. So far we've only heard one side of the story that alleges he gatecrashed a street party (can you gatecrash a street party as opposed to a house party? ) and as an 18 year old he was allegedly able to beat up 3 blokes at least twice his age despite initially the first bloke allegedly by himself being able to drag Troy out by the collar with what appears little resistance until let go. One for the police to sort out first. Until he's found otherwise you're right WAT he has the presumption of innocence.
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Hold your horses folks....
A. how do you crash a 'street party', if your holding it in the street there are no gates to crash.
B. who were these dudes taking it upon themselves to police the streets on behalf of the NT anyway? What was the initial alleged crime? Fireworks? And then some hero tried to frogmarch them over the road ? I tell you what, I would of cut up nasty too. The real problem is that TT, to his misfortune, actually knows what he's doing when he does cut loose so people get very embarrassed and upset and want to ensure he is punished by the law for making them look ordinary.
All we have is the tabloid beat up side of the story anyway. Lets not condemn the bloke just yet.
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What a loser f him off :banghead
How about we wait until ALL the facts are on the table and the investigations are over before we hang the kid out to dry
And I reckon the bloke sproutng off to the newspapers is a bit of a loser too to be honest.
Shouldn't be making accusations in the press while it's being investigated, I would think that is prejudicial to the investigation
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Hold your horses folks....
A. how do you crash a 'street party', if your holding it in the street there are no gates to crash.
B. who were these dudes taking it upon themselves to police the streets on behalf of the NT anyway? What was the initial alleged crime? Fireworks? And then some hero tried to frogmarch them over the road ? I tell you what, I would of cut up nasty too. The real problem is that TT, to his misfortune, actually knows what he's doing when he does cut loose so people get very embarrassed and upset and want to ensure he is punished by the law for making them look ordinary.
All we have is the tabloid beat up side of the story anyway. Lets not condemn the bloke just yet.
And he managed to drop three blokes! Sounds a little far fetched to me!
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(/quote)The thing that makes it worse for him is he has priors and this time last year was in a youth detention centre as a result of brawling in Darwin so it looks bad.
Actually, I think he was in youth detention for tagging along with some mates in a service station robbery.
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Well lets do the right thing and support him eh folks or are we turning into the eat your own brigade AGAIN?????? Geezus is that the full story..... must be because you all want to hang him at the moment. The Carlton supporters at least stuck by their 4 clowns but no not some of you lot!!!!! Lets just judge him by rule .303.... amazing, simply amazing!! :banghead
I am sure Hardwick will deal with it, regardless of which way it goes support for a change would be nice!!
Are people not allowed to have an opinion here? If he did do it, then he's a piece of scum. If not, maybe people will have some apologising to do to him. With his past this doesn't sound all that unlikely to me. Hopefully this isn't true.
I for one won't be backing him or bagging him just yet. We'll wait and see......
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This is not a good situation at all. As others have said we do need to wait untill the facts come out before passing judgment as all we have now is a report from a sensationalist shitrag tabloid and some of the 'facts' dont seem quite right. In saying that more often than not where's smoke there's fire. Just by putting himself into that situation shows a lack of judgement on the kids behalf, but that in its self is not a hanging offence and there wouldnt be too many people who could say they havn't been guilty of that at some stage in their life, particulary when they were younger.
If he is charged and found guilty then it's game over for him as he is on probation which would be a shame. Footy was probably his way out, so to speak, and too loose that could disastrous. Ben cousins said the enforced layoff while trying to beat his addiction was the time he realy needed to be involved in footy the most.
The club needs to address the situation with him in a clear and concise manner and perhaps consider moving his mum to melbourne. She moved to Alice to get away from bad influences so may have to do it again. The problem is its a bit harder to move interstate when you work in the education system. He is obviously a follower rather than a leader so hopefully if he escapes charges, someoene at Punt Road can take him under their wing and keep him on the straight and narrow. He really is at the crossroads here, not just in terms of a football career, but life in general.
If we was to muck up again perhaps they could trade him for Casboult :D
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Regardless if this claim is true or not, I agree with those calling for him to be restricted in his travel to Darwin for a time to remove him from the obvious bad influences he has in the area. The education system is one of the easiest to find work in around the country and world for that matter (after all there are kids everywhere!), so the mum could certainly find work in Melbourne especially with the help of the Richmond Football Club. This would mean all the positive influences and support is in Melbourne.
Whether this accusation is correct or otherwise, Darwin is obvious a dangerous place for Taylor but unless he is made to see that he will only resent the club so this needs to be done with care.
Anyhow, Lets wait and see how this pans out but I think, given his record and past, the club needs to be very careful how they manage Taylor in the future because his onfield form appears the least of his problems at the moment.
Stripes
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The story seems to have a lot of holes in it and if we do have a player on our list who at 18 can drop 3 blokes, then instead of getting rid of him, we should consider given him a contract extension. Theres been 2 many softies at RFC for a long time. I congratulate the kid for sticking up for himself.
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Ge welcome to the Public Eye Troy!
First of all a 18 year old "skinny" kid can't take out 3 30-40 year old blokes. And if he did, shouldn't we be welcoming some fire in the belly at RFC?
I think we've jumped the gun for starters the media will always be media and any incident involving an AFL listed paper is going to draw headlines. If Troy wasnt an AFL player it wouldn't have been news worthy and unfortunatly may not have even been police worthy. There is no description of injuries as more than likely there werent any except a concussion which could have been simple soreness. The journo would have investigated this and more than likely the outcome of teh concussion was a full bill of health and if reported would have diluted the story.
If he didn't have any priors we'd be laughing it off. Hoping for Troy the charges are dropped and his trips back home are strictly monitored, not banned, you can't ban from seeing family and friends.
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Some of u sound like drag queens with faux period pain.
FTR,He's a baby,he's in the territory and someone grabbed him and i doubt it was tenderly.
The kid doesnt take sh it and u all want to delist him. :wallywink
u baitches are as soft as our list for the last 20 years.
u make me laugh in between vomits.
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Richmond FC statement
11:14 AM Thu 07 January, 2010
The Richmond Football Club is aware of an alleged incident involving 2009 draftee Troy Taylor on New Years Eve in Alice Springs.
The Club takes any allegation of player misbehaviour very seriously.
Richmond has been in contact with the AFL and has informed it of the Club's knowledge of the matter.
As the matter is currently being investigated by the Northern Territory Police, the Club will make no further comment until this investigation is complete.
for richmondfc.com.au
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/88532/default.aspx
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Go the Cypo :banghead
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He might be a tidy little bastard with his fists. I am willing to bet, that mister frog march decided he would shuffle firecracker youngsters along by collaring one TT and got a bit more than he bargained for as did his mates. The 'slap' sounds like a concoction to justify why they were manhandling him in the first place (once the police became involved). Stinks of horsepoo to me. I mean, 'can you please leave' ooh I slap your face for asking that... i'm not buying it. If anything by frog marching him that bloke is up for assault too so he might want to consider dropping his charges if he intends on pressing any.
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New nicknames?
The Barunga Bruiser
The Ngandi Knuckle
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I thought Troy had done his time but people are saying Troy is on probation based on this Age article?
Like everyone, the Tigers had done their research. Like every club, they had been emailed the list of basic probation conditions that Troy's manager Jason Dover had worked hard with the Northern Territory Department of Justice, the AFL and the Players Association to draw up, so that he could transfer interstate. They'd taken time to wonder whether they would be a good fit for Troy, too.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-horizons-20091127-jwzs.html
New nicknames?
The Barunga Bruiser
The Ngandi Knuckle
Wrong new kid Jake. Relton Roberts is from Barunga/Ngandi ;)
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Wrong new kid Jake. Relton Roberts is from Barunga/Ngandi ;)
Oh schit, of course.
We'll just call him gatecrasher then.
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if i was man-handled for being on street that was being used by the public to get peeed on,i would smack the prick in the mouth too.
Only weak pricks get in the ambulance after a tap.
LMAO@ One guy going to hospital.
Payout Pete-king of the NT doll bludgers.
I have a theory-if it's one on 3,then go the one!!!
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A slap to the face seems a strange thing to do when asked to leave a party. Wonder what was said to the kid to get such a reaction?
Thinking about it it was a week ago and no charges have been laid, even though witnesses have had statements taken. Doesn't seem to be as cut and dried as the article tries to make out.
This story came from the local rag, and I know of one recent story where they only got one side of the story. They printed that a man was attacked with a brick and was also threatened with a samurai sword. According to the accused, he was threatened with the sword and used a shovel to defend himself. The paper never even tried to interview him. It really is a poor excuse for a paper.
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if i was man-handled for being on street that was being used by the public to get peeed on,i would smack the prick in the mouth too.
Only weak pricks get in the ambulance after a tap.
LMAO@ One guy going to hospital.
Payout Pete-king of the NT doll bludgers.
I have a theory-if it's one on 3,then go the one!!!
Our supporters are attacking our player for no reason at all. I support Brackets on this. RFC has been full of softies for 3 decades. Its about time we had afew players with mongrel. :gotigers
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A slap to the face seems a strange thing to do when asked to leave a party. Wonder what was said to the kid to get such a reaction?
Thinking about it it was a week ago and no charges have been laid, even though witnesses have had statements taken. Doesn't seem to be as cut and dried as the article tries to make out.
This story came from the local rag, and I know of one recent story where they only got one side of the story. They printed that a man was attacked with a brick and was also threatened with a samurai sword. According to the accused, he was threatened with the sword and used a shovel to defend himself. The paper never even tried to interview him. It really is a poor excuse for a paper.
Thats rite big Al.
It's largely media driven and mostly sparked by an epson printer newspaper.
Aussie media are such fu cken dogs.
Interesting watching,as Ramps highlighted,how many off,"Us" are taking the other side.
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I have been thinking about this "story" alot during the course of the day. Due to work commitments I haven't been able to get on the board until now.
We all have a view but as I said this morning - let's get all the facts before we hang the kid out to dry.
Before I go on I want to make it very clear I do not condone any violence, actually my family will tell you I absolutely abhor violence and have no tolerance to it and believe that our society is not tough on the thuggish behaviour that appears to the norm rather than the exception these days.
Having said that I have read the article a number of times and my reaction to it has not change at all from when I first read it this morning.
My very first reaction when I read the article was that something just doesn't seem right with the allegations. Why? There just appears to be so many holes in the alledged events that it just doesn't make sense.
One of the alledged victims (Parkinson) claims that he was slapped by Taylor when he asked him to leave?
Sorry blokes don't slap other blokes. And I agree Al it seems a strange thing to do if you've been asked to leave a party
Then he (Parkinson) reckons he grabbed Taylor by the shirt and marched him onto the road and only once he let him go did Taylor hit him. What the? Sorry that doesn't make sense - got to be more to it than that
That hit supposedly sent Parkinson to the ground and then it wasn't until after he got up did he get hit again.
Ever seen some of the fights in the city? I have sadly and I don't recall seeing teenage thugs throw punches and then wait for someone to get up until they throw another one.
And the obvious one - what a coincidence it is must be that the one person that Mr Parkinson decided to approach from the gatecrashers was Troy Taylor - truly amazing
And finally and Al has mentioned this - why after a week haven't the police charged anyone? If this was such an open and shut case surely they would have charged someone?
As far as I am concerned Troy Taylor is innocent until proven otherwise and he is a Richmond player that has my support. If it turns out that the allegations are true - then the law will determine the kids future
:gotigers
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3 vs 1
this kid is a ninja 8)
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lol and he showed em the pill while he did it... :whistle wonder if Hardwick will tell him off for showboating.
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I have been thinking about this "story" alot during the course of the day. Due to work commitments I haven't been able to get on the board until now.
We all have a view but as I said this morning - let's get all the facts before we hang the kid out to dry.
Before I go on I want to make it very clear I do not condone any violence, actually my family will tell you I absolutely abhor violence and have no tolerance to it and believe that our society is not tough on the thuggish behaviour that appears to the norm rather than the exception these days.
Having said that I have read the article a number of times and my reaction to it has not change at all from when I first read it this morning.
My very first reaction when I read the article was that something just doesn't seem right with the allegations. Why? There just appears to be so many holes in the alledged events that it just doesn't make sense.
One of the alledged victims (Parkinson) claims that he was slapped by Taylor when he asked him to leave?
Sorry blokes don't slap other blokes. And I agree Al it seems a strange thing to do if you've been asked to leave a party
Then he (Parkinson) reckons he grabbed Taylor by the shirt and marched him onto the road and only once he let him go did Taylor hit him. What the? Sorry that doesn't make sense - got to be more to it than that
That hit supposedly sent Parkinson to the ground and then it wasn't until after he got up did he get hit again.
Ever seen some of the fights in the city? I have sadly and I don't recall seeing teenage thugs throw punches and then wait for someone to get up until they throw another one.
And the obvious one - what a coincidence it is must be that the one person that Mr Parkinson decided to approach from the gatecrashers was Troy Taylor - truly amazing
And finally and Al has mentioned this - why after a week haven't the police charged anyone? If this was such an open and shut case surely they would have charged someone?
As far as I am concerned Troy Taylor is innocent until proven otherwise and he is a Richmond player that has my support. If it turns out that the allegations are true - then the law will determine the kids future
:gotigers
very sensible post WP. I agree with you wholeheartedly. the story has more holes than stale swiss cheese
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is the matter is true we should drop him club doesnt want bad press. and it'll show all our other youngsters if you muck up and break the law we wonte have you at our club.
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Tigers wait and see on Troy Taylor
Bruce Matthews
Herald Sun January 08, 2010
RICHMOND will await a report from a police investigation before deciding whether to take any action against teenage draftee Troy Taylor.
Taylor, who is back training with the Tigers this week, will have to return to Alice Springs if he is charged and ordered to face court for a New Year's Eve incident.
Richmond yesterday told the AFL that Taylor, pick No. 51 in the national draft, was being investigated for alleged assault at a party in Alice Springs in which one man was taken to hospital.
"The Richmond Football Club takes any allegation of player misbehaviour very seriously," a club statement said yesterday.
"Richmond has been in contact with the AFL and has informed it of the club's knowledge of the matter. As the matter is currently being investigated by the Northern Territory police, the club will make no further comment until this investigation is complete."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/racing/tigers-wait-and-see-on-troy-taylor/story-e6frfg96-1225817153351
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Are people not allowed to have an opinion here?
Fool, what I said has SWA to do with opinions, it has to do with us as supporters changing our culture and supporting our players.... clearly you haven't!!!!!
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Are people not allowed to have an opinion here?
Fool, what I said has SWA to do with opinions, it has to do with us as supporters changing our culture and supporting our players.... clearly you haven't!!!!!
You come out and call me a fool because I ask you a question? No wonder why you're the joke of this forum. ;D Every time I come on here you're having a go at someone for not supporting the club or the players. Why tell people how to post? Hey WAT, need I remind that you hang poo on Shane Edwards all the time? Should I go and find some of your posts saying he's not fit to wear the jumper or saying he's useless? Not that I have a problem with you saying that, it's your opinion. I won't tell you what to think (nor will I tell anyone else how to think), so why do you keep bitching and moaning when someone doesn't think your way? If this story does turn out to be true, then would you expect everyone to come out and support Taylor and back him? Would you back Troy if he belted a family member of yours?
I expect you will never, ever criticise a player harshly ever again. That might hurt their feelings ;) ;D
Hypocritical tosser.
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Stop with the personal insults ppl :banghead and stick to the topic!
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Tiger pick may be in more strife
Martin Boulton
January 8, 2010
RICHMOND's gamble on teenage recruit Troy Taylor could be in danger of backfiring even before the pacy forward's first pre-season at Punt Road.
Taylor, 18, is the subject of a police investigation in the Northern Territory after an incident in Alice Springs on New Year's Eve.
Police spokeswoman Theresa Kuilboer said yesterday that no arrests had been made, but police were investigating an incident "involving several people" in which three males aged 33, 39 and 47 were injured.
Richmond has told the AFL about the matter and released a statement saying it "takes any allegation of player misbehaviour very seriously", but would not comment until after the police investigation.
Taylor was taken by the Tigers with pick 51 in last year's national draft after interest was also shown by Collingwood, Fremantle, Port Adelaide and North Melbourne.
The Gold Coast, which for the moment has first option on young Queensland and NT players, was also interested, but Taylor opted to try his luck in the draft.
He was picked up by the Tigers less than a year after spending four months in a juvenile detention centre in Darwin.
Before the draft he spoke to The Sunday Age about the night he helped some friends rob a service station, being placed on a good-behaviour bond and getting into fights, which ultimately led to him being locked up.
Taylor was still on parole when he entered the November national draft and his management worked with the AFL and AFL Players' Association to help facilitate his transfer interstate.
His athleticism, ball handling and ability to win contested possession caught the eye of recruiters.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-pick-may-be-in-more-strife-20100107-lwsc.html
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Great post WP :clapping.
Sorry blokes don't slap other blokes.
Unless your name is John "Sammy" Newman on Billy Barrot :wallywink
Then he (Parkinson) reckons he grabbed Taylor by the shirt and marched him onto the road and only once he let him go did Taylor hit him. What the? Sorry that doesn't make sense - got to be more to it than that
That's the one that doesn't make sense to me either ???. Makes out Troy goes from some feeble kid who can be dragged away easily by the collar into suddenly some ultimate fighter in a scene from a Steven Seagal movie who can down 3 blokes twice his size in 30 seconds without getting a scratch on him.
Manhandling someone is assault in itself is it not? Perhaps that may have something to do as to why charges haven't been laid in over a week? The incident maybe being viewed as just a run-of-the-mill fight at a party when both sides are at fault. Who knows! We'll have to wait until the police investigation is completed to find out.
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I just keep wondering if something was said to Troy that upset him. I suppose it will all come out in the wash.
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Stop with the personal insults ppl :banghead and stick to the topic!
Peesonal insults on an internet forum are like richmond and losing - it's part of the territory.
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we finally find a kid that takes no poo and has balls and some of u want him out, we are the weakest club in history we need more like him!
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Our supporters are attacking our player for no reason at all. I support Brackets on this. RFC has been full of softies for 3 decades. Its about time we had afew players with mongrel. :gotigers
Krakouer also beat the poo out of someone, but he was never a mongrel on the field.
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Our supporters are attacking our player for no reason at all. I support Brackets on this. RFC has been full of softies for 3 decades. Its about time we had afew players with mongrel. :gotigers
Krakouer also beat the poo out of someone, but he was never a mongrel on the field.
Yeah but Krakouer was 2-on-1 IIRC.
This bloke has taken on all-comers and put them on their arse.
His nickname should be Chuck, i.e. Chuck Norris. Chuck Taylor. Make it happen.
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A Barry Hall in the making maybe ?
We do need a tough nut I think.
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Are people not allowed to have an opinion here?
Fool, what I said has SWA to do with opinions, it has to do with us as supporters changing our culture and supporting our players.... clearly you haven't!!!!!
You come out and call me a fool because I ask you a question? No wonder why you're the joke of this forum. ;D Every time I come on here you're having a go at someone for not supporting the club or the players. Why tell people how to post? Hey WAT, need I remind that you hang poo on Shane Edwards all the time? Should I go and find some of your posts saying he's not fit to wear the jumper or saying he's useless? Not that I have a problem with you saying that, it's your opinion. I won't tell you what to think (nor will I tell anyone else how to think), so why do you keep bitching and moaning when someone doesn't think your way? If this story does turn out to be true, then would you expect everyone to come out and support Taylor and back him? Would you back Troy if he belted a family member of yours?
I expect you will never, ever criticise a player harshly ever again. That might hurt their feelings ;) ;D
Hypocritical tosser.
:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep
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The fish has bitten, reel him in. ;)
:shh
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On SEN this morning they said Taylor's version of what happened on NYE is different to what has been reported.
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On SEN this morning they said Taylor's version of what happened on NYE is different to what has been report.
A great philosopher once said that there are two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
(okay,okay,so the great philosopher was Maureen Robinson from "Lost In Space." :lol)
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On SEN this morning they said Taylor's version of what happened on NYE is different to what has been report.
well great to hear.
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Amongst all the mindless drivel on BF there was this post by someone going by the name golddust.
ACTUALLY spoke to someone connected with our great club last night, so take this for what it's worth.
The club WILL stand-by young Troy and offer him all the support it can.
The club WILL NOT delist him if charges are actually laid (and there is some feeling that charges won't result).
His mentor (all players have a mentor) is privately fuming.
And the only reason Troy was available to us at pick 51 was that MOST clubs avoided him like the plague because of his past, but make no mistake, this boy CAN play.
And unrelated ........
The player revolt meeting regarding Wallace DID happen .... and no Jake King WAS NOT the instigator or heavily involved!!!
Enjoy your day!
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16631596&postcount=166
How much truth there is to it ? Your guess is as good as mine but you'd like to think that is the club's attitude.
Also the local pox rag ran a small syndicated piece about the club being aware of the allegations, but also added this at the end,
"Taylors Friend rallied around on his facebook page yesterday where he had listed his status as homesick
'keep your head up troy you are becoming a better man don't doubt yourself. We all love you regardless!' wrote Hayley Webb. Nikitta Dingo-Thorne wrote 'Hey brother just lettn you know we all love you and ...support you, you will always have people trying to bring you down.' "
So the low life scum have gone looking on face book just for more dirt to add to the story that "The NT News yesterday revealed"
The same paper that published this editorial,
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/11/20/102701_ntnews.html
now seem hell bent on screwing him over. As far as I know no other media outlet has run anything more than a short article about troy taylor facing allegations of assault.
no wonder this was in the Chairman's Foreword of The Australian Press Council Annual Report 2009
Regrettably, Press Council research has shown that Australian newspapers rely far too frequently on a single source for a story, and do so more often than is the case in comparable countries.
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On SEN this morning they said Taylor's version of what happened on NYE is different to what has been report.
A great philosopher once said that there are two sides to every story, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
(okay,okay,so the great philosopher was Maureen Robinson from "Lost In Space." :lol)
That follows the line that there are actauly three sides to every story, the two opposing views and then there is the truth :)
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well ... from the reports, i am amazed at how an 18 year old can knock out a 30-something year old and assualt another two men over the age of
40-something???
i don't believe everything that is written and i don't condome violence, but if Troy Taylor can put his "spunk" into Richmond on the field ... we will have a
Gem! however, he must of done something wrong for it to be reported about!
:)
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Nothing to do with this incident but punch ons are hardly rare in the NT apparently...
Top End tops for copping it on the chin
Nadja Hainke
Northern Territory News
January 08, 2010
A NORTHERN Territory surgeon says Darwin is the world's capital of broken jaws.
Oral and maxillofacial surgeon Mahiban Thomas told the Northern Territory News that Royal Darwin Hospital saw more patients with broken jaws than any other capital.
He said booze was a main factor for most injuries.
"Royal Darwin Hospital treats 350 broken jaws a year, putting the rate at 17 per 10,000 population, which is well above anywhere else in the world," he said.
"The injuries are mostly sustained outside pubs and clubs in the city centre Thursday and Friday nights.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/the-other-side/top-end-tops-for-copping-it-on-the-chin/story-e6frfhk6-1225817250895
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Amongst all the mindless drivel on BF there was this post by someone going by the name golddust.
ACTUALLY spoke to someone connected with our great club last night, so take this for what it's worth.
The club WILL stand-by young Troy and offer him all the support it can.
The club WILL NOT delist him if charges are actually laid (and there is some feeling that charges won't result).
His mentor (all players have a mentor) is privately fuming.
And the only reason Troy was available to us at pick 51 was that MOST clubs avoided him like the plague because of his past, but make no mistake, this boy CAN play.
And unrelated ........
The player revolt meeting regarding Wallace DID happen .... and no Jake King WAS NOT the instigator or heavily involved!!!
Enjoy your day!
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16631596&postcount=166
How much truth there is to it ? Your guess is as good as mine but you'd like to think that is the club's attitude.
Also the local pox rag ran a small syndicated piece about the club being aware of the allegations, but also added this at the end,
"Taylors Friend rallied around on his facebook page yesterday where he had listed his status as homesick
'keep your head up troy you are becoming a better man don't doubt yourself. We all love you regardless!' wrote Hayley Webb. Nikitta Dingo-Thorne wrote 'Hey brother just lettn you know we all love you and ...support you, you will always have people trying to bring you down.' "
So the low life scum have gone looking on face book just for more dirt to add to the story that "The NT News yesterday revealed"
The same paper that published this editorial,
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/11/20/102701_ntnews.html
now seem hell bent on screwing him over. As far as I know no other media outlet has run anything more than a short article about troy taylor facing allegations of assault.
no wonder this was in the Chairman's Foreword of The Australian Press Council Annual Report 2009
Regrettably, Press Council research has shown that Australian newspapers rely far too frequently on a single source for a story, and do so more often than is the case in comparable countries.
The MAIN thing this post tells me is that we STILL have leaks in the club. Benny Gale you have got to stop these leaks.
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Were there any injuries to Troy? If anyone has hit someone before they know it bloody hurts your wrist, especially if you knock them out. Surely Troy would have a sprained wrist at best especially after belting 3 blokes.
There will always be leaks in any organisation that has casual employees that come on for marketing jobs, sponsorship off season the membership off season etc. Just have to make sure when things happen at board level they stay that way, everything else is impossible to keep in house.
Apparently the club is still trying to find a "foster" house for Troy. I'd be happy to do it but I live 45 mins away from Punt Road. Be great to have your own personal body guard lol.
I think he's my new favorite player.
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Amongst all the mindless drivel on BF there was this post by someone going by the name golddust.
ACTUALLY spoke to someone connected with our great club last night, so take this for what it's worth.
The club WILL stand-by young Troy and offer him all the support it can.
The club WILL NOT delist him if charges are actually laid (and there is some feeling that charges won't result).
His mentor (all players have a mentor) is privately fuming.
And the only reason Troy was available to us at pick 51 was that MOST clubs avoided him like the plague because of his past, but make no mistake, this boy CAN play.
And unrelated ........
The player revolt meeting regarding Wallace DID happen .... and no Jake King WAS NOT the instigator or heavily involved!!!
Enjoy your day!
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16631596&postcount=166
How much truth there is to it ? Your guess is as good as mine but you'd like to think that is the club's attitude.
Also the local pox rag ran a small syndicated piece about the club being aware of the allegations, but also added this at the end,
"Taylors Friend rallied around on his facebook page yesterday where he had listed his status as homesick
'keep your head up troy you are becoming a better man don't doubt yourself. We all love you regardless!' wrote Hayley Webb. Nikitta Dingo-Thorne wrote 'Hey brother just lettn you know we all love you and ...support you, you will always have people trying to bring you down.' "
So the low life scum have gone looking on face book just for more dirt to add to the story that "The NT News yesterday revealed"
The same paper that published this editorial,
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/11/20/102701_ntnews.html
now seem hell bent on screwing him over. As far as I know no other media outlet has run anything more than a short article about troy taylor facing allegations of assault.
no wonder this was in the Chairman's Foreword of The Australian Press Council Annual Report 2009
Regrettably, Press Council research has shown that Australian newspapers rely far too frequently on a single source for a story, and do so more often than is the case in comparable countries.
There is a bit of mindless drivel in this thread. Juiced up rock apes get involved in street violence not hard at it afl footballers. How anyone can link the allegation against TT to being a legitimate AFL footballer in any capacity is laughable. At worst, I hope it was self defence.
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Mongrel as opposed to fcukwit are like chalk and cheese ...
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certainly not a good start to his career. i'm sure this has been blown out of proportion, but then again, they wouldn't report something like this if he hadn't have done something in the first place. the last thing we need while we try and re-build as a club is the media hounding the club about the off-field behaviour, and adding further distractions. there's no doubt that Taylor has brilliant potential as a footballer, i just hope the club can tame him off the field.
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10 days since the alleged incident occurred and still no final police report or charges. I know Troy is back in Melbourne training which would delay things but it still makes you think if it was as clear cut as the Hun reported we would've heard something by now.
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something tells me there was a fair bit of boozin going on and this gatecrash S T O R Y has a liberal amount of mayo on it....Piecing together the story from what I know, it was more likely an ambush of three fellas onto one...when TT came out trumps, out comes the BS.....TT will walk on this :shh
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have been away on holidays and read with interest all your views.
This kid should never of been drafted in the first place.
Yet another waste of a drfat pick
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have been away on holidays and read with interest all your views.
This kid should never of been drafted in the first place.
Yet another waste of a drfat pick
Ah Jackstar.......... :lol, welcome back and straight into form..... :rollin
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have been away on holidays and read with interest all your views.
This kid should never of been drafted in the first place.
Yet another waste of a drfat pick
Why because he can't play?
Or he is a live wire who can't control his temper (or so it appears at this stage)?
I haven't seen him play except a few highlights but he may be able to control his temper on the field, particularly with the change of scene. If he can't it'll show up pretty soon and we will get rid of him. The jury still is out on that one.
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have been away on holidays and read with interest all your views.
This kid should never of been drafted in the first place.
Yet another waste of a drfat pick
hmm, pretty sure that was the line we took in neglecting Franklin and choosing Bling ::)
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have been away on holidays and read with interest all your views.
This kid should never of been drafted in the first place.
Yet another waste of a drfat pick
hmm, pretty sure that was the line we took in neglecting Franklin and choosing Bling ::)
all too hard .
why does the club do it too themselves.
Was speaking to a couple of recent ""ex players"" on holidays,
Footy is a bit harder than most of you think.
We just take players out of one enviroment and think they can be transformed into an AFL player.
In this instance, complete waste of a draft pick. Huge risk by the club.
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Would have thought a bit of $%^& in a player would be your type of "old school" that you'd love to be drafted jack?
Huge risk by the club? Thats what the draft is jack, a lottery, a gamble.
You roll the dice on players you've seen from ages 16-18 that 100 billion things can happen between now and the ripe age of 20 that can make or break careers.
Apparently the club is still trying to find a place for Troy to stay full time, I'd be happy to have my own personal body guard.
Good luck to him, just hope he gets a chance.
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spot on Popelord :thumbsup
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all too hard .
why does the club do it too themselves.
Was speaking to a couple of recent ""ex players"" on holidays,
Footy is a bit harder than most of you think.
We just take players out of one enviroment and think they can be transformed into an AFL player.
In this instance, complete waste of a draft pick. Huge risk by the club.
the entire history of football is built on taking players out of one environment and into another. If I had a dollar everytime I heard or read about players adjusting to "city life" whether it was in the 70s or today, from country Victoria or outback WA, I'd be a wealthy man. In so many different ways (including moving states or cities) success in the AFL is about adapting.
Edited to correct quote
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have been away on holidays and read with interest all your views.
This kid should never of been drafted in the first place.
Yet another waste of a drfat pick
hmm, pretty sure that was the line we took in neglecting Franklin and choosing Bling ::)
all too hard .
why does the club do it too themselves.
what's that, make the same mistake twice, these were the precise reasons we overlooked Franklin, yeah that really catapulted us forward :o
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have been away on holidays and read with interest all your views.
This kid should never of been drafted in the first place.
Yet another waste of a drfat pick
hmm, pretty sure that was the line we took in neglecting Franklin and choosing Bling ::)
all too hard .
why does the club do it too themselves.
Was speaking to a couple of recent ""ex players"" on holidays,
Footy is a bit harder than most of you think.
We just take players out of one enviroment and think they can be transformed into an AFL player.
In this instance, complete waste of a draft pick. Huge risk by the club.
Huge risk by the club? Pick number 51? Skinny draft?
There is absolutely nothing to lose with a pick 51 player who does actually have talent and could of would of been taken higher if not for his PAST!
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HUGE RISK.
Causes divisions in the playing group.
Can tell you this, we have had serious problems in the past with players not getting on and being in there own little group. FACT
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No doubting that jack, but put 40 odd people together and that will always happen. I don't think I ever played in a footy club that didn't have different 'groups'. Yeah, sometimes individuals or a small number of players can cause problems -sometimes you can see it coming sometimes you cant, but in my experience it's not necessarily those that get into trouble outside of the club that are problem. I'd be pretty sure that all clubs have to manage that problem and it probably often plays a part in why some players are traded, just we the public just don't get inside goss.
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Can tell you this, we have had serious problems in the past with players not getting on and being in there own little group. FACT
Sh it senior leadership.
Should i name them......
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HUGE RISK.
Causes divisions in the playing group.
Can tell you this, we have had serious problems in the past with players not getting on and being in there own little group. FACT
Have you played footy before jack or been involved in a team environment?
If our lads are on the right track they'll band behind him and show support. To be honest most of them wont even bat an eye lid as it's so irrelevant to the team and what they are trying to achieve. It's not primary school jack, grown men wont be divided over an individual's issue of an apparent altercation on the other side of the country.
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Can tell you this, we have had serious problems in the past with players not getting on and being in there own little group. FACT
Good to see FACT(S) making an appearance in 2010 :rollin :rollin
Seriously though - IN THE PAST is the key words here i would think. What happened in the past is just that the PAST (even though some struggle to let go ;D)
As for the HUGE RISK - all draft picks are risk, later ones usually a bigger risk, that's the nature of the beast. So there isn't any great surprise there
Seeing we don't have all the FACTS I think it is a little early to be saying it is a waste of a pick. As I said day let's just see what happens first before we hang the kid out to dry
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Marty McGrath, Alex Gilmour ring a bell
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Marty McGrath, Alex Gilmour ring a bell
Hope not.. :-\
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Marty McGrath, Alex Gilmour ring a bell
I dont seem to recall clubs lining those two fellas up prior to the draft, remembering TT was talked out of joing GC
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Marty McGrath, Alex Gilmour ring a bell
I dont seem to recall clubs lining those two fellas up prior to the draft, remembering TT was talked out of joing GC
Gilmore they did, but the real point is they both had a history of priors before coming the club.
RFC think they have this miracle wand that they wave and cure teenagers problems :banghead
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Marty McGrath, Alex Gilmour ring a bell
I dont seem to recall clubs lining those two fellas up prior to the draft, remembering TT was talked out of joing GC
Gilmore they did, but the real point is they both had a history of priors before coming the club.
RFC think they have this miracle wand that they wave and cure teenagers problems :banghead
Lions and Dogs must have the mature age wand then, got to take risks in life man.
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Marty McGrath, Alex Gilmour ring a bell
Mute point as it is the past.
Let's deal with the NOW
Let's just wait and see what happens once the police conclude their investigations. ;)
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Lions and Dogs must have the mature age wand then, got to take risks in life man.
Yep, there is risk management and there is not wanting to die wondering. I don't ever want Richmond to die wondering.
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Thats right Smokey, what happens if this kid becomes a superstar, will the GC17 be ridiculed for not pushing harder for him like we always do. Hey if he doesn't work then so be it, not like we arn't used to that.
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Sports Tonight showed Troy sitting at the Richmond table at the AFL Induction Camp today (and they mentioned his "indiscretion" in passing as something the AFL wanted to avoid). It looked all the Tiger newbies were sitting in the front row of the audience when the talks were on.
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From "RockyBalboa" on BF:
Spoke to a parent of one of the current players last night who told me that Taylors charges have been dropped and that he hasn't been charged with anything.
IS this true?
If so, then shouldn't this be in the press just like the allegations were?
Can anyone confirm or otherwise?
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16656504&postcount=253
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From "RockyBalboa" on BF:
Spoke to a parent of one of the current players last night who told me that Taylors charges have been dropped and that he hasn't been charged with anything.
IS this true?
If so, then shouldn't this be in the press just like the allegations were?
Can anyone confirm or otherwise?
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16656504&postcount=253
Don't be silly OE, of course we won't hear about it and it won't go to press if the allagations/charges are dropped. We are Richmond not Carlton.... :scream
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From "RockyBalboa" on BF:
Spoke to a parent of one of the current players last night who told me that Taylors charges have been dropped and that he hasn't been charged with anything.
How can charges be dropped when he hasn't been charged with anything? :-\
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it's a "Big Footy" thing. :lol
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At the risk of drifting off topic, a prime example of the the poor journalism constantly displayed by the rag that bought us the Troy Taylor story.
HUNTERS have illegally shot and decapitated a pig at a Territory national park.
And they left the headless hog on the roadside for tourists to see.
From the same article
Litchfield senior park ranger Julie Trembath said she was not sure if the pig was shot or whether it was hit by a car and then interfered with.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2010/01/12/114881_ntnews.html
The author also shares the surname Cavenagh with the author of the Troy Taylor article.
Regarding whether we hear anything more publicly if there are no charges laid, possibly not. The media that reported it may not want to bring it up again as it highlights their incompetent one sided reporting, unless there is 'woe is me he got away with it' angle from one of the supposed victims and the RFC may be just happy to let the incident drift into the never never rather than dredge it up again.
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Well we all know how the papers and Law work up their don't we, remember a lady by the name of Lindy Chamberlin??
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Interfering with dead pigs hey
There sure are some sicko's out there
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Interfering with dead pigs hey
There sure are some sicko's out there
Yeah..there's far more action to be had with a live one!! ;D
Sorry..bad joke :P
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Interfering with dead pigs hey
There sure are some sicko's out there
Moe all over again!?
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This isn't on the web so I typed it out.....
Tigers keep Taylor on training track
By Matt Cunningham
Thurs 14 Jan 2010, Page 004
TERRITORY AFL draftee Troy Taylor trained with Richmond yesterday as he awaits the outcome of a police investigation into an alleged assault on New Year's Eve.
Taylor joined fellow Territorians Richard Tambling and Barunga rookie Relton Roberts as the Tigers went through their paces at Punt Rd.
It was the first time 18-year-old Taylor has hit the track since allegations surfaced of his involvement in the alleged assault in Alice Springs. Police are investigating claims Taylor assaulted three people at a street party in the Territory town.
Rumours had been circulating on footy web forums that police had dropped their investigation.
But police spokeswoman Theresa Kuilboer yesterday confirmed police were still investigating the alleged assault after midnight on New Year's Day.
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This isn't on the web so I typed it out.....
Tigers keep Taylor on training track
By Matt Cunningham
Thurs 14 Jan 2010, Page 004
TERRITORY AFL draftee Troy Taylor trained with Richmond yesterday as he awaits the outcome of a police investigation into an alleged assault on New Year's Eve.
Taylor joined fellow Territorians Richard Tambling and Barunga rookie Relton Roberts as the Tigers went through their paces at Punt Rd.
It was the first time 18-year-old Taylor has hit the track since allegations surfaced of his involvement in the alleged assault in Alice Springs. Police are investigating claims Taylor assaulted three people at a street party in the Territory town.
Rumours had been circulating on footy web forums that police had dropped their investigation.
But police spokeswoman Theresa Kuilboer yesterday confirmed police were still investigating the alleged assault after midnight on New Year's Day.
What a joke of a journo this bloke is...
Article is dated 14/1/2010, it says that Taylor hit the track for the frist time yesterday - well NO WRONG. FACT he has been training since the guys came back on the 4th.
He reports we trained at Punt Road - NEWSFLASH - we trained at Craigieburn yesterday
He clearly surfs footy forums for news ...... here's a suggestion try spending some more time studying the concept of accurate and responsible journalism rather gathering gossip of footy forums
Have a nice day ;D
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Any new news on Troy? It's nearly been a whole month and nothing has been mentioned since. The way the Herald-Sun wrote their story they made out it was a clear cut case against Troy ::).
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Interfering with dead pigs hey
There sure are some sicko's out there
On the contrary,if it's already dead....... :shh :lol
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Any new news on Troy? It's nearly been a whole month and nothing has been mentioned since. The way the Herald-Sun wrote their story they made out it was a clear cut case against Troy ::).
took a few months before they charged hurley
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Any new news on Troy? It's nearly been a whole month and nothing has been mentioned since. The way the Herald-Sun wrote their story they made out it was a clear cut case against Troy ::).
took a few months before they charged hurley
That's true Y&B. It'd be nice though if this can be sorted out fairly quickly so the Club can move on without this popping up again during the footy season.
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Tigers stick with Centralian recruit Taylor
By SAM EDMUND in Melbourne
FRI 29 JAN 2010, Page 046
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick says he is willing to give Troy Taylor a second chance, with the troubled indigenous recruit still under police investigation for assault.
Taylor, who was placed on a good behaviour bond in 2008 for his part in a service station robbery and has served time in youth detention centres for other incidents, stands accused of injuring three men at a street party in Alice Springs on New Year's Eve.
The 18-year-old (pictured), who was taken by the Tigers with pick 51 in the 2009 national draft, will have to return to the Northern Territory if he is charged and ordered to face court.
But Hardwick said yesterday that the club would stand by the player.
``He's an exceptional talent, Troy,'' Hardwick said. ``Richmond is probably known as one of the clubs who give those sort of players a second chance.
``As a kid we all make mistakes and Troy admits that.
``He is willing to accept the consequences of his actions, but he's a player we think we can have an enormous future with.''
Hardwick also admitted he was caught off guard by the retirement of club great Matthew Richardson in November, barely two months after he took the coaching job.
Asked if he was expecting Richardson to call it quits, Hardwick said: ``No, it was a sad day, not only for Richmond but the AFL in general.
``He's one of those guys we all love watching and I would have loved to have coached. We did gather wind that something wasn't right with him. He did probably withdraw himself a little bit and he was a little bit concerned so it was a disappointing day, no doubt.''
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Richo did us all proud.
Thanks Matty.
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And here i was thinking we had already given him a second chance by taking him in the ND.
I think Hardwick meant we will give him his third and final chance surely.
I wonder if he was so talented would he be out the door.
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And here i was thinking we had already given him a second chance by taking him in the ND.
I think Hardwick meant we will give him his third and final chance surely.
I wonder if he was so talented would he be out the door.
if wasnt a top shelf talent he wouldnt have been drafted at all.
Super talented kids always have more opportunities the list of examples is endless
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might as well have gone for Fev in that case.
The kid is an idiot weather or not he can play. Send him back to where he came from i say
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might as well have gone for Fev in that case.
The kid is an idiot weather or not he can play. Send him back to where he came from i say
The word is "whether" not "weather" FFS.
Can we send you back as well?
:wallywink
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might as well have gone for Fev in that case.
The kid is an idiot weather or not he can play. Send him back to where he came from i say
The word is "whether" not "weather" FFS.
Can we send you back as well?
:wallywink
weather, whether, care facter, care factor
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If he plays in his first match at some point in the season and kicks 2 or 3 half you blokes will be calling him our next champion. Give the boy a chance. The story as given by the other mob had so many holes in it it could have passed for a siv.
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a fev comparison?? please...
an alledged indiscretion and you want the "idiot" kid to go back to "where he came from"?
i wonder if you can see whats wrong with that thought pattern?
Talented or not everyone has a right to the innocent till proven guilty system, even more so when it is written in a newspaper, during the offseason. Hope the kid comes out of it all in a position to improve himself and do the yellow and black proud.
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If he plays in his first match at some point in the season and kicks 2 or 3 half you blokes will be calling him our next champion. Give the boy a chance. The story as given by the other mob had so many holes in it it could have passed for a siv.
Well said Ramps. What a joke.
Huge opinions on someone you don't even know and basing it on a bunch of here-say from a Herald Sun beat up.
Sort it out. Its been nearly a month with no charges laid. Lets move on and let him play footy.
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a fev comparison?? please...
an alledged indiscretion and you want the "idiot" kid to go back to "where he came from"?
i wonder if you can see whats wrong with that thought pattern?
Talented or not everyone has a right to the innocent till proven guilty system, even more so when it is written in a newspaper, during the offseason. Hope the kid comes out of it all in a position to improve himself and do the yellow and black proud.
I totally agree cranny,
I was involved in an incident last April just after Barry Hall belted Brent Staker. As a first Aider for one of the local rugby teams I was running onto attend an injured player when a small altercation broke out between the two teams. As a result of the Referee trying to regain control of the game I was red carded. All proper reports were forwarded to the VRU but they decided that nothing more should come of it as both me and the ref were doing what we were meant to be doing. During the next week one of the fathers from my team called me and said I should turn to " A local radio station" they were talking about the B Hall incident then proceeded to say that it was happening in local competitions also saying a father ran onto the field and started the brawl. The father that called me rang the station to get the correct message across. Needles to say, although he spoke to the DJ it wasn’t played on air.
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I'm no saint and couldn't give a shyt what this kid did new years eve but i think it's safe to say he is an idiot!
The kid gets drafted and a month after crashes a party and whacks some old bloke. I know no chargers have been layed but the way DH was speaking he has made some sort of mistake.
He held up a service station for f@#ks sake!!
I know we took a chance on Cuz last year but that was with a bloke who had won a Brownlow and been a captain of a club, where this time we have taken a chance on a kid that is 18 years old and already spent time inside a correction centre.
All i hope is he can get a kick and keep his head out of trouble. He owes a lot to the RFC already for even taking that chance on him. This club does not need any reason to be in the papers this year other than to say we are improving.
I hope that DH makes an example of any player that does not do what is best for the team and club this year. It's time this club was seen as more than just a joke!
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Kid is young.
Who on here has not gatecrashed a party at 18?
Ok many of us have not got priors with the cops either but the kid is 18.
Give the kid a chance. With the way Damian Hardwick is and his no frills attitude I am sure this kid will be back in the desert soon if one or more incidents occur.
Furthermore the Hun newspaper is about as scurrilous as they come.
The term mountains and mould hills comes to mind.
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If he plays in his first match at some point in the season and kicks 2 or 3 half you blokes will be calling him our next champion. Give the boy a chance. The story as given by the other mob had so many holes in it it could have passed for a siv.
im looking forward to him playing rnd 1. but that still doesnt make him any less of a idiot and idiot.
he couldnt even keep out of trouble for 5 minutes after nearly getting time. what this says about him i will leave for others to determine for themselves. but for me he is a idiot with no brains and probably little respect for anyone or anything.
it also has me asking has he the discipline and work ethic to play afl.and it has me asking how likely is this sort of thing going to happen again
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I'm no saint and couldn't give a shyt what this kid did new years eve but i think it's safe to say he is an idiot!
The kid gets drafted and a month after crashes a party and whacks some old bloke.
Let's not forget it was a STREET party - not quite sure how you gate crash a street party.
"Whacks some old bloke" - ease up there I am not quite sure 3 fully grown men (remember the bloke speaking to the press said Taylor allegedly "whacked" or assulted not 1 but a total 3 blokes) aged between 38 and late 40's qualifies as "old".
As I posted when I first read the article there are so many holes in the story it would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.
There are 2 sides to this story and so far we've heard one side. Fortunately, unlike the bloke who spoke to the press (which btw appears to be a way to cover his own backside) Taylor has wisely said nothing while the investigation takes it course.
I know no chargers have been layed but the way DH was speaking he has made some sort of mistake.
He held up a service station for f@#ks sake!!
That's interesting because I didn't take it mean he was specifically talking about New Years but about the service station thing as well.
All i hope is he can get a kick and keep his head out of trouble. He owes a lot to the RFC already for even taking that chance on him. This club does not need any reason to be in the papers this year other than to say we are improving. I hope that DH makes an example of any player that does not do what is best for the team and club this year. It's time this club was seen as more than just a joke!
I think he knows he owes the RFC and I reckon he is worth the punt, just like every other kid we've taken in the draft
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according to HUN
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BREAKING NEWS: RICHMOND draftee Troy Taylor has been charged with assault over an incident in Alice Springs on New Year’s Eve.
Northern Territory police today charged Taylor, 18, with one count of assault over his alleged involvement in the incident at a street party just after midnight on New Year’s Day.
He has been summonsed to appear in the Alice Springs Magistrates Court on February 18.
The Herald Sun revealed last month that Taylor had allegedly assaulted three men aged 33, 39 and 47 at the street party in Campbell St.
Taylor was selected by the Tigers with pick 51 in the 2009 AFL Draft.
Richmond Football Club chief executive Brendon Gale is expected to issue a statement this afternoon.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/young-tiger-troy-taylor-facing-assault-charge/story-e6frf9jf-1225825551896
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Richmond FC Statement - Troy Taylor
richmondfc.com.au
4:23 PM Mon 01 February, 2010
The Richmond Football Club can confirm that Troy Taylor has been charged with assault over an incident in Alice Springs on New Years Eve. He has been summonsed to appear in the Alice Springs Magistrates Court on February 18.
“We knew Troy had a number of issues he was dealing with when we drafted him,” Richmond CEO Brendon Gale said.
“The Richmond Football Club has a professional network of support helping Troy address his issues but we have also advised Troy that he needs to take personal responsibility for the decisions he makes,” Gale said.
Due to legal reasons there will be no further comment from the club until after Troy has been to court on February 18.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/89097/default.aspx
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well thats unfortunate...
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at least he raped no one
Edit: To save OER from getting into any legal trouble let's leave out other allegations at other clubs that are still to go before court.
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Oh well looks like one or all of the accused probably has a bee in his bonnet about Troy making it to an AFL club and wants to bring him down. At least he gets to play in the first NAB cup game if selected..... :whistle
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at least he raped no one
LOL !
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at least he raped no one
Geeeezus man, might want to remove that, nothing proven yet!!!! :o
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Oh well looks like one or all of the accused probably has a bee in his bonnet about Troy making it to an AFL club and wants to bring him down. At least he gets to play in the first NAB cup game if selected..... :whistle
I don't think I'd be telling everyone that I got beaten by an eighteen year old and I had help from my mates.
They usually only charge the winner with assault no matter who starts it[from past experience]
Good to see the club is right behind him.
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Am interested to see if Troy contests the charges or pleads guilty, hoping for leniency.
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at least he raped no one
LOL !
and why is that funny?
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BECAUSE HE DIDN'T RAPE ANYONE - read it again.
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Oh ok, I see, that is why it is funny, gee stupid me.
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All in the "'too hard basket "" one would think.
Dont know why the club do it to themselves
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BREAKING NEWS: RICHMOND draftee Troy Taylor has been charged with assault over an incident in Alice Springs on New Year’s Eve.
Northern Territory police today charged Taylor, 18, with one count of assault over his alleged involvement in the incident at a street party just after midnight on New Year’s Day.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/young-tiger-troy-taylor-facing-assault-charge/story-e6frf9jf-1225825551896
Well knock me over ...
ONE COUNT of ASSAULT after allegedly taking on 3 fully grown adult men... still seems all a bit wishy washy to me
Rightie O then ::)
All in the "'too hard basket "" one would think.
Dont know why the club do it to themselves
What are you talking about
You haven't got a clue (like most of us) what happened
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We all know of his past so this could be disaterous for him.
Lets all just hope that the RFC back him all the way and IF found guilty the judge takes his potential career at Richmond into consideration. Which is well within his powers for a minor infingement.
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Assault isnt a minor afringement
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Assault isnt a minor afringement
Jack doesn't it seem to you just a little strange that after all the huff & puff in the HUN about this case and accusations made by the bloke who spoke to HUN that the kid has been charged wiyh just ONE count of assault ???
I am not saying it isn't serious but something just isn't right here
The other thing is if it was so "serious" don't you think they'd come and got and taken him back to Alice by now
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Assault isnt a minor afringement
Jack doesn't it seem to you just a little strange that after all the huff & puff in the HUN about this case and accusations made by the bloke who spoke to HUN that the kid has been charged wiyh just ONE count of assault ???
I am not saying it isn't serious but something just isn't right here
The other thing is if it was so "serious" don't you think they'd come and got and taken him back to Alice by now
Dont think its strange at all.
Club will be trying to save there investment.
Something they shouldnt of invested in, in the first place
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Dont think its strange at all.
Club will be trying to save there investment.
Something they shouldnt of invested in, in the first place
You really should do some digging, speak to a few people and you may learn something ;D ;) ;)
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Dont think its strange at all.
Club will be trying to save there investment.
Something they shouldnt of invested in, in the first place
You really should do some digging, speak to a few people and you may learn something ;D ;) ;)
Already done some digging last october, pass
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Might also say this, the RFC are not in a postion to have "'spectative picks"' in National Drafts. Irrelevant if pick 51 or 101
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Assault isnt a minor afringement
Can tell you from past experience.
Assault has varying dergrees as we all know. From what i have read this will be classed as a minor infringement. Nothing more than a group of people that have had a few too many ale's getting into a scuffle.
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AFL players shouldnt be getting themselves into any scuffle.
Look at Carltons culture and they mess there in.
Footy clubs dont need ""bad eggs"".
The game is hard enough how it is, you dont need ANY distractions
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AFL players shouldnt be getting themselves into any scuffle.
Look at Carltons culture and they mess there in.
Footy clubs dont need ""bad eggs"".
The game is hard enough how it is, you dont need ANY distractions
I agree Jack but the point i was making was that it has happened.
Now we should all hope for some leniency from the judge who is hearing the case for the best possible outcome for Troy and the club.
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all i will say this guy has got abit of history.
Shouldnt be a two or three strike policy at punt rd either.
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all i will say this guy has got abit of history.
So has the world, but despite all that, people still try to make it a better place....and Michael Jackson said that!!! :P
Give the kid a break. Dump him now and a promising football career could turn into something much much worse. You can throw a paper napkin at someone and be charged with assault.
I don't know the full extent of the incident but I'm backing the kid anyway! Too many yobbo's attack AFL players through jealousy and knowing that they are an easy target for some adverse publicity. After all, you can't hurt a nobody's reputation!
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its not that he has gone no 1 pick in the draft. ::)
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Might also say this, the RFC are not in a postion to have "'spectative picks"' in National Drafts. Irrelevant if pick 51 or 101
Come on Jack, every pick that late in the Draft is speculative, actually nearly every pick is, just some more so than others.
Richmond knew the kid's history and took a risk, but from all accounts one with a potential high reward.
This isn't a culture thing either. Gale's wording of the media release leaves no doubt that they have reinforced the fact that Troy (or anyone else ) needs to accountable for their own actions. I think drawing a comparison to Carlton and the cancerous culture destroying their club is a long bow to draw.
The kid has found out that as an AFL footballer you need to be even more select in your decision making. Hopefully he has learned that, if he stays out, that is.
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Hmmm now it's down to a single count of assault rather than three. Amazing what happens when both sides of the story are heard rather than just one dodgy version in the Herald-Sun. Oh well nothing the club can do now until the case is heard in court and a verdict given.
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Tigers punt on teen
By Michael Warner
Herald-Sun
Tue 02 Feb 2010, Page 005
RICHMOND has vowed to stand by troubled draftee Troy Taylor after he was charged over a New Year's Eve assault.
Taylor, 18, will face a Northern Territory court on February 18 for his alleged involvement in an incident at an Alice Springs street party.
Three men -- aged 33, 39 and 47 -- were allegedly injured in the dispute.
Taylor, taken by the Tigers with pick 51 in last November's AFL national draft, has been charged on summons with one count of assault.
"We knew Troy had a number of issues he was dealing with when we drafted him,'' Tiger CEO Brendon Gale said last night.
"The Richmond Football Club has a professional network of support helping Troy address his issues but we have also advised Troy that he needs to take personal responsibility for the decisions he makes.''
Taylor has impressed club chiefs with his attitude and training performances since shifting to Melbourne.
Tiger coach Damien Hardwick said last week he was willing to give Taylor a second chance.
"As a kid we all made mistakes and Troy admits that and is willing to accept the consequences of his actions,'' he said.
"He's a player we think we can have an enormous future with.''
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Already done some digging last october, pass
Digging last October.... Hmmmm I suppose it depends on who you dig with or supplies you with the dirt ;D
I wouldn't ask any journo what's going on but there would be others hmmmmmmm.... :shh :shh ;) ;) ;D
It's a pity the HUN hasn't bothered to report who else has been charged over this "alleged" incident
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Just hope its petty stuff and a slap on the wrist so this lad can get on with it, from all reports he has got some talent.
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Already done some digging last october, pass
It's a pity the HUN hasn't bothered to report who else has been charged over this "alleged" incident
Well then Willy P, it's up to you. Spill the beans. :cheers
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Already done some digging last october, pass
Digging last October.... Hmmmm I suppose it depends on who you dig with or supplies you with the dirt ;D
I wouldn't ask any journo what's going on but there would be others hmmmmmmm.... :shh :shh ;) ;) ;D
It's a pity the HUN hasn't bothered to report who else has been charged over this "alleged" incident
hey willie
I believe the club expect young troy to get out of this predicament relatively unscathed, is that your impression as well?
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Already done some digging last october, pass
Digging last October.... Hmmmm I suppose it depends on who you dig with or supplies you with the dirt ;D
I wouldn't ask any journo what's going on but there would be others hmmmmmmm.... :shh :shh ;) ;) ;D
It's a pity the HUN hasn't bothered to report who else has been charged over this "alleged" incident
Spoke to three recruiters last October, they said big pass on this kid
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I could name 2 draftees that have a known social drug problem in this years draft that went top 30.
Everyone has a problem of some sort jack.
Not everyone is Matthew Richardson. Who cares he punched some bloke, pay for his crime what ever fit and come back and play footy.
Simple as that.
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Spoke to three recruiters last October, they said big pass on this kid
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15 recruiters past on Cuz and Richmond did not want Buddy because of some concerns. Also the last time I checked his football life at the tigers is not over , or his court case for that matter.
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Already done some digging last october, pass
Digging last October.... Hmmmm I suppose it depends on who you dig with or supplies you with the dirt ;D
I wouldn't ask any journo what's going on but there would be others hmmmmmmm.... :shh :shh ;) ;) ;D
It's a pity the HUN hasn't bothered to report who else has been charged over this "alleged" incident
Spoke to three recruiters last October, they said big pass on this kid
Hope you're prepared to name them Jack
Would love to see this kid prove them wrong and them make diks out of themselves ;D
You will give us their names won't you?
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first mistake by Hardwick recruiting this loser
should send him back to where he came from we have enough idiots in Melbourne who go around assaulting people
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first mistake by Hardwick recruiting this loser
should send him back to where he came from we have enough idiots in Melbourne who go around assaulting people
Don't be so hard on yourself Daniel..... ::). How do you feel about Cousins being at our club then, you must hate giving people another go so you would not agree with recruiting Cousins.
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first mistake by Hardwick recruiting this loser
should send him back to where he came from we have enough idiots in Melbourne who go around assaulting people
Not Guilty to proven Daniel, come on lets stick with our own for once.
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Spoke to three recruiters last October, they said big pass on this kid
15 recruiters past on Cuz and Richmond did not want Buddy because of some concerns. Also the last time I checked his football life at the tigers is not over , or his court case for that matter.
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Comparing and unknown draftee to a premiership player and ex captain. ::)
This kid might be worth the trouble full stop, can he actually play football ????
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Spoke to three recruiters last October, they said big pass on this kid
So 3 clubs out of 17 (remember GC17 wanted to sign him) said they'd pass on him
That leaves 14 clubs ....
And BTW YES he can play footy
Well then Willy P, it's up to you. Spill the beans. :cheers
I have no beans to spill....
But logic tells me that there has to be more charges than those against Troy Taylor. Remember he was "allegedly" one of a "group of youths".
I would expect more to have been charged but media being media haven't reported that
I was just trying to make a point that the HUN has only mentioned part of the story when blind freddie can see that there is alot more to it
I believe the club expect young troy to get out of this predicament relatively unscathed, is that your impression as well?
blaisee I dont' know what the clubs views are on this.
But speaking to someone last night with a bit of knowledge in these things they reckon it was odd if things are bad as the HUN made out then why has the kid only been charged with ONE count of assult.
And I have to agree
first mistake by Hardwick recruiting this loser
should send him back to where he came from we have enough idiots in Melbourne who go around assaulting people
He is innocent until proven guilty daniel or has that part of our legal system gone out the window.
And just as an aside to show how grey this term assault can be.
The fellow who spoke to the press originally well under the letter of the law it could be argued that he "allegedly" assaulted Taylor when he grabbed him by the shirt ....
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am amazed the people say he can play. ::)
So could Alex Gilmour.
So could Marty McGrath.
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am amazed the people say he can play. ::)
So could Alex Gilmour.
So could Marty McGrath.
How do you know he can't play?
Have you watched him play before? ::)
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am amazed the people say he can play. ::)
So could Alex Gilmour.
So could Marty McGrath.
How do you know he can't play?
Have you watched him play before? ::)
No, but everyone on here thinks he is a superstar, oh please, get a grip people.
We are just going down the same path as other times .
Players should be 100% dedicated or out the door.
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all i will say this guy has got abit of history.
Shouldnt be a two or three strike policy at punt rd either.
Thew whole comp is run by shifty dogs who at the end of the day only give a farq about their bank account$
And, u can't form opinions on innuendo Jak.
In a year,maybe all the fickle haters will be able to stand justified,but for right now,go for a run or something....... :thumbsup
Edited for legal reasons. We cannot allow in any form assumptions of which players allegedly have strikes against their names when it hasn't been confirmed - legally it's not on; on a public forum
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Jackstar removing all doubt about the large quantity of manure in his head.
Collingwood were the team who talked him out of signing for GC17 and go into the draft so they could pick him.
As much as I hate them, they have the best recruiters in the land.
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Infamy, at least I have something in my head, LOL .unlike your empty space, LOL :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No, but everyone on here thinks he is a superstar, oh please, get a grip people.
We are just going down the same path as other times .
Players should be 100% dedicated or out the door.
Who said he's a superstar? You are the only one who has mentioned the word
FACTS are and the club have said this he has been nothing but dedicated since he got here.
Here's an idea let's just wait and see what happens when the kid fronts court and let the justice (legal) system take its course.
In the meantime let's hope the kid playes next week in the NAB cup so we can debate whether he play footy ;D
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i think life is getting a bit precious
the kid has been in trouble big deal, now he beat up 3 grown men and he is still a kid
who cares if he is guilty , this is the kind of player we need, tough no fear and head strong
how many past greats had troubled pasts and upringing
we do not want a team that produces great moral citizens, i dont give a rats arse if he have a team full of hard core crims
we want a team that is tough strong uncomprimising and wins premierships
for far too long we have been the weakest softest team in the comp, its about time we got thugs back in the team
jack dyer may have been a gentleman but he was also a thug
the kid may get charged , he may not so what
he is still a kid and growing up
we dont even know if it was a case of self defence or not yet
cant wait til he shows some of this aggresion on the field
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Well if some of you reckon this kid is a problem you would probably wat to execute Mathew Stokes if he were on our team wouldnt you.!!
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Yep - These people need to realise the oppurtunity they have to play the biggest sport in the country, set themselves up for life and pretty much screw any good looking scrub they want , most of us would give our left nut for!
If they can't appreciate it enough to stay away from drugs and/or trouble, sympathy factor = 0.
That said I must agree with TTII, I wouldn't care if the whole Richmond team were underbelly 4 if they could win us a flag ;D
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Well if some of you reckon this kid is a problem you would probably wat to execute Mathew Stokes if he were on our team wouldnt you.!!
smashing 3 blokes vs having a gram of coke
what is worse?
:cheers
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Well if some of you reckon this kid is a problem you would probably wat to execute Mathew Stokes if he were on our team wouldnt you.!!
smashing 3 blokes vs having a gram of coke
what is worse?
:cheers
1 bloke. There was only 1 count of assault.
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smashing 3 blokes vs having a gram of coke
what is worse?
:cheers
Well a decent gram of coke can probably get 3 people smashed so using simple maths its about even
1 bloke. There was only 1 count of assault.
In that case a bag of coke is much worse
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It didn't take long for the media to link Stokes and Cousins ::) ....
Geelong to act early in troubling times for the AFL
JAKE NIALL
February 5, 2010
AT GEELONG, Mathew Stokes is in trouble. Within St Kilda, Andrew Lovett is seen as trouble, while the third AFL player facing career-threatening criminal charges, Richmond teenager Troy Taylor, is perhaps viewed as troubled.
That last ''d'' makes a hell of a difference to a kid facing the football gallows. A club owes a duty of care to a player who is ''troubled'' - as Lovett, who suffered from depression, was once regarded - but if he is merely big Trouble than he will be cut little slack. Ben Cousins covered both categories, hence the agonising of clubs about whether he deserved that second chance.
This off-season has been an unpleasant one for the AFL hierarchy, which must be weary of expressing its ''disappointment'' that a player has been ''implicated in a charge of this nature'' - the well-worn words football operations manager Adrian Anderson trotted out on Wednesday when the Stokes-coke story detonated.
Drug trafficking, sexual assault and an assault by a kid on probation (Taylor) aren't a good look for an organisation that has worked so diligently to make its players good corporate citizens, having launched ambitious programs aimed at preventing drug and alcohol abuse and encouraging respectful treatment of women. This off-season of strife began with Essendon's emerging star Michael Hurley's alleged assault of a cab driver and included the Carlton booze cruise, which seems like a tea party in comparison with what has transpired since.
Social responsibility has been a cornerstone of the Andrew Demetriou regime, almost as much as northern expansion. The AFL, thus, will be hovering over Geelong, St Kilda and Richmond, like George Orwell's Big Brother, watching and ready to step in if they don't see ''appropriate'' action. The fate of Richmond's Taylor, who is 18 and yet to play, will be largely determined by the Northern Territory's courts, the kid having served a short stretch in juvenile detention for robbery and assault offences before he was drafted.
Full article at:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/geelong-to-act-early-in-troubling-times-for-the-afl-20100204-ng4e.html
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the obvious extension and question to this is should we be putting players up as role models or should they be treated as just a cross section of society which in fact they are.
thieves gamblers druggies wife bashers boozers brawlers rapists and it goes on, all are represented in clubs footy lists.as is proven by the incessant court appearances of afl players. imo its naieve to think that a percentage of players wont find trouble or that it can be controlled. its a nonsense.
we know it will happen but act all incensed when it does it really is ludicrous.
what parent in their right mind would want their kids useing sportsmen, or rock stars actors as role models for that matter.
no unfortunately the role model should be coming from the home but parents everywhere are forgoing this responsibility and blaming all and sundry when things get out of hand.
in all honesty i expect young footballers to shag and chase young women i expect them to party hard when they get the chance i expect they will make poor decisions along the way its all part of the growing cycle. just like kids in society footballers are no different.hence the constant headlines.
tp be putting such ordinary people on pedestals and making them act and be something they are not is fraught with folly.
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the obvious extension and question to this is should we be putting players up as role models or should they be treated as just a cross section of society which in fact they are.
thieves gamblers druggies wife bashers boozers brawlers rapists and it goes on, all are represented in clubs footy lists.as is proven by the incessant court appearances of afl players. imo its naieve to think that a percentage of players wont find trouble or that it can be controlled. its a nonsense.
we know it will happen but act all incensed when it does it really is ludicrous.
what parent in their right mind would want their kids useing sportsmen, or rock stars actors as role models for that matter.
no unfortunately the role model should be coming from the home but parents everywhere are forgoing this responsibility and blaming all and sundry when things get out of hand.in all honesty i expect young footballers to shag and chase young women i expect them to party hard when they get the chance i expect they will make poor decisions along the way its all part of the growing cycle. just like kids in society footballers are no different.hence the constant headlines.
tp be putting such ordinary people on pedestals and making them act and be something they are not is fraught with folly.
'From an old fellow like me well said' :)
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what parent in their right mind would want their kids useing sportsmen, or rock stars actors as role models for that matter.
no unfortunately the role model should be coming from the home but parents everywhere are forgoing this responsibility and blaming all and sundry when things get out of hand.
'From an old fellow like me well said' :)
:clapping Here, here.
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He has been summonsed to appear in the Alice Springs Magistrates Court on February 18.
A reminder the Court hearing is today for Troy.
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Community service hopefully. :pray
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Here's the court list. All listings start at 10am.
C1 TAYLOR Troy
21002626 10.00 AM Mention
1 Aggravated assault
2 Aggravated assault
3 Aggravated assault
4 Unlawfully damage Property
5 Engage in violent conduct
http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/mctlist/today/crim/ras.html
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Booze ban for Tigers rookie
Richmond AFL draftee Troy Taylor has been banned from drinking alcohol while aggravated assault charges are pending.
Taylor, 18, appeared via video link from Melbourne in the Alice Springs Magistrates Court this morning.
He has been charged with three counts of aggravated assault as well as unlawfully damaging property and engaging in violent conduct.
He has been bailed on condition he provide a cash surety and not drink alcohol.
The matter has been adjourned for six weeks.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/18/2823486.htm?site=idx-nt
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He shouldn't be drinking alcohol in the pre-season anyway
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Yep danog, any serious AFL player shouldn't drink alcohol during the preseason and season.
Didn't the Herald-Sun say a few weeks or so ago it was only one count of assault? ???. No mention of property damage either :-\.
Six weeks means he'll be able to play all the practice games and be available for round 1. A pain in the neck though that our judicial system drags every case out for months :scream.
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AFL draftee Troy Taylor granted bail over alleged assault
February 18, 2010 - 2:59PM
Richmond draftee Troy Taylor has appeared via video link in Alice Springs Magistrates Court accused of aggravated assault over an alleged New Year's Eve incident.
Melbourne solicitor Paul Horvath, representing Taylor, requested the court's leniency over a $5000 surety demanded by police and a bail stipulation Taylor not be at premises where alcohol is served.
Stipendiary Magistrate John Neil said that Taylor would honour his court appearances in Alice Springs and set bail at $5000.
Mr Neil also concurred that seasonal commitments to the Richmond Football Club would be such that Taylor would be present in locations where alcohol was available.
"Bail is allowed on a surety of $5000 subject to the surety that he will not consume alcohol," Mr Neil said.
The matter has been adjourned to the Alice Springs Magistrates Court on March 30.
Taylor will have to appear in person at the hearing and dispensation has been given to his Melbourne legal team to represent him in the Northern Territory court.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draftee-troy-taylor-granted-bail-over-alleged-assault-20100218-oh79.html
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Troy Taylor case adjourned
richmondfc.com.au
Thu 18 February, 2010
Richmond draftee Troy Taylor appeared via video link earlier today to answer an assault charge arising from an incident in Alice Springs on New Years Eve.
The case has been adjourned until 30 March 2010.
As this is an on-going case the Richmond Football Club will not make any further comment until legal proceedings have been resolved.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/89677/default.aspx
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What? No pre-judgement of guilt? No banning from training? No protection of delicate team mate sensitivities? No cancellation of contract?
How uncommonly decent of RFC. Clearly the club doesn't belong in the current day AFL.
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What? No pre-judgement of guilt? No banning from training? No protection of delicate team mate sensitivities? No cancellation of contract?
How uncommonly decent of RFC. Clearly the club doesn't belong in the current day AFL.
Did you not see the game Saturday night? :ROTFL
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He shouldn't be drinking alcohol in the pre-season anyway
I dont think he was Robinson Cursoe on that one.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find too many who didn't have a drink on New Years Eve or over the holidays
Yep danog, any serious AFL player shouldn't drink alcohol during the preseason and season.
More do than don't
Didn't the Herald-Sun say a few weeks or so ago it was only one count of assault? ???. No mention of property damage either :-\.
What i found interesting is that the charge (now 3 charges) is "aggravated assault" as opposed to "assault". Last time I checked "aggravated" implied provocation ...
Also I come back to what I said previously. I would really like to know who if anyone else has been charged over this "incident". I cannot believe Taylor is the only one
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one count of aggravated assault,
...the circumstance of aggravation being that "the Defendent" caused "the Complainant" harm. To succeed the prosecution must prove the elements of assault and negative any authorisation, justification or excuse beyond reasonable doubt. The prosecution must also prove the aggravated circumstance (harm) beyond reasonable doubt if that part of the charge is to be made out.
http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/ntmc/docs/judgements/2008/20080304ntmc019.html
What the Law states - Aggravated assault..... (this is in Victoria)
Summary Offences Act 1966 - SECT 24
Aggravated assault
24. Aggravated assault
(2) Any person who in company with any other person or persons assaults another person shall be liable to imprisonment for twelve months and any person who by kicking or with any weapon or instrument whatsoever assaults another person shall be liable to imprisonment for two years.
(2)
1. Assault
2. In company with another
or
1. Assault
2. Involving kicking
or
1. Assault
2. With a weapon
Possible Defences - Aggravated assault
* Self defence
* Wrong identification
* Factual dispute
* Duress
* Necessity
http://criminal-lawyers.com.au/web/page/VIC_Aggravated_assault
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Going by the above it's up to the prosecution to prove this beyond reasonable doubt. So if Troy's lawyer can show some doubt in that Troy was provoked or acted out of defence then the aggravated assault will be dismissed. The original newspaper article had the guy dragging Troy by the collar and it's still hard to believe 3 grown men would get beaten up by one skinny 18 year old unless they are claiming Troy was part of a group.
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from today's Australian.....
The Tigers said yesterday they remained undecided on what penalties they would impose on Taylor, who is yet to play a senior practice match, under the AFL players' code of conduct.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/veterans-12-year-career-ended-by-injury/story-e6frg7mf-1225831954365
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When I read the initial story, I felt it was a bit off. I think the only reason this got to court is that he had priors. Does anyone know if he has priors for brawling or was it just the break in thing? I think the Tiges have stuck by him because he has a solid case to be honest. Just hope we can keep him out of the clink, get him looking to what he can make of himself and on the paddock playing some excellent footy. I think the prosecution is going to find it hard to make a case that a young aboriginal bloke who had just been rough housed and then menaced by grown men couldn't make a case for feeling threatened enough to claim self defense.
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I think the prosecution is going to find it hard to make a case that a young aboriginal bloke who had just been rough housed and then menaced by grown men couldn't make a case for feeling threatened enough to claim self defense.
If that's what happened.
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Now the poo rag that first brought us this story has sunk even lower;
"Footy star's bail allows for pub nights"
This is the headline used by the NT News in regards to Troys hearing yesterday.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2010/02/18/125251_ntnews.html
Not even any good for wiping your bum with, this rag.
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I think the prosecution is going to find it hard to make a case that a young aboriginal bloke who had just been rough housed and then menaced by grown men couldn't make a case for feeling threatened enough to claim self defense.
If that's what happened.
Well one of the blokes Troy has allegedly assaulted admitted in his interview with the NT news paper that he grabbed the kid by the shirt and marched him down the street and Troy ended up on the ground...
Also, I still reckon that the bloke who gave the interview has prejudiced this case
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I think the prosecution is going to find it hard to make a case that a young aboriginal bloke who had just been rough housed and then menaced by grown men couldn't make a case for feeling threatened enough to claim self defense.
If that's what happened.
Well one of the blokes Troy has allegedly assaulted admitted in his interview with the NT news paper that he grabbed the kid by the shirt and marched him down the street and Troy ended up on the ground...
Also, I still reckon that the bloke who gave the interview has prejudiced this case
Yeah, for sure WP. My point was more about 'none of us really knows 2 parts of 5/8ths of stuff-all about what really happened' and until it all comes out in court then there is no point in trying to find any sort of moral indicator as to the outcome. As an interesting aside, I have just finished a very good book (read for the 2nd time) about Breaker Morant - "Shoot Straight, You Bastards" by Nick Bleszynski - that looks at the events leading up to and including the executions, and subsequent public comment and hearsay since. It is a very good example of what I meant re: Taylor.
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I think that the facts that he was allowed to 'attend' this hearing via video link, the prosecution did not oppose bail and the magistrate realised that to not be attendance where alcohol was served is impracticle are all good signs.
If we make an assumption that he pleads, or is found guilty i see it like this.
The magistrate has two options;
Give him a non custodial sentence, allowing him to be part of an organistaion that has vested interest in steering his life in the correct direction. One that will actively (hopefully) have in place a structure to help troy. He will have a clear purpose in life for his immediate future and he will be in company of role models.
Or,
Send him to gaol, an institution that basically doesn't give a damn, has very little interest/structure in place for rehabilitation and surrounds him with criminals. This would also take away what in reality, is probably his best chance of becoming something resembling a contributing member of society, leaving him without too many aspirations in life.
You would really hope that sanity prevails.
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I think that the facts that he was allowed to 'attend' this hearing via video link, the prosecution did not oppose bail and the magistrate realised that to not be attendance where alcohol was served is impracticle are all good signs.
If we make an assumption that he pleads, or is found guilty i see it like this.
The magistrate has two options;
Give him a non custodial sentence, allowing him to be part of an organistaion that has vested interest in steering his life in the correct direction. One that will actively (hopefully) have in place a structure to help troy. He will have a clear purpose in life for his immediate future and he will be in company of role models.
Or,
Send him to gaol, an institution that basically doesn't give a damn, has very little interest/structure in place for rehabilitation and surrounds him with criminals. This would also take away what in reality, is probably his best chance of becoming something resembling a contributing member of society, leaving him without too many aspirations in life.
You would really hope that sanity prevails.
Too true Al. I just wish I had that much faith in our legal system.
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Spot on Al.
Common sense, if there is any left in the legal system will see him lving in Victoria in a stabilised environment with a clear promoised future ahead of him.
Sending him to jail will not help his development as a member of society any better than keeping him in Victoria playing AFL.
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It appears the club is holding off enforcing its own punishment for Troy until after the case. Maybe the Club will argue to the magistrate that this punishment as al said from an organistaion that has vested interest in steering his life in the correct direction will be of more positive long-term benefit for Troy and his future to become a positive contributing citizen to society rather than having him in the clink with zero future job prospects.
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I think the prosecution is going to find it hard to make a case that a young aboriginal bloke who had just been rough housed and then menaced by grown men couldn't make a case for feeling threatened enough to claim self defense.
If that's what happened.
Well one of the blokes Troy has allegedly assaulted admitted in his interview with the NT news paper that he grabbed the kid by the shirt and marched him down the street and Troy ended up on the ground...
Also, I still reckon that the bloke who gave the interview has prejudiced this case
Agree WP. His account of what happened was very suss.
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I think the prosecution is going to find it hard to make a case that a young aboriginal bloke who had just been rough housed and then menaced by grown men couldn't make a case for feeling threatened enough to claim self defense.
If that's what happened.
Well one of the blokes Troy has allegedly assaulted admitted in his interview with the NT news paper that he grabbed the kid by the shirt and marched him down the street and Troy ended up on the ground...
Also, I still reckon that the bloke who gave the interview has prejudiced this case
Agree WP. His account of what happened was very suss.
Or maybe the guy was a good bloke trying to remove a drunken troublemaker and the troublemaker got violent.
Just me call me Mr D. Advocate, Devils that is!! ;)
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It appears the club is holding off enforcing its own punishment for Troy until after the case. Maybe the Club will argue to the magistrate that this punishment as al said from an organistaion that has vested interest in steering his life in the correct direction will be of more positive long-term benefit for Troy and his future to become a positive contributing citizen to society rather than having him in the clink with zero future job prospects.
Yep, that would make sense. Hang on to a couple of trump cards to play when the time is right.
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Make sure he gets his head in the right place! Is gunna be allright :clapping
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Troubled Troy Taylor highly rated at Richmond Tigers
* Jon Ralph
* Herald Sun
* March 04, 2010
MARK down Troy Taylor's imminent debut as one of the game's more improbable feats.
Just 12 months ago the teenager was serving the last days of a four-month term in a youth detention facility for a drunken brawl.
Two months ago the new Richmond recruit was allegedly involved in an Alice Springs incident and he was charged with assault.
And yet despite all the setbacks and controversy, a debut for 18-year-old Taylor in the early rounds of the season is not out of the question.
If Taylor can continue to display the kind of magic he exhibited against Geelong in Yea on Saturday, coach Damien Hardwick might have no choice but to pick him.
His cause is helped by the club's new direction: force-feed the most talented juniors AFL games then sit back and see who flourishes.
Taylor is due in court in Alice Springs on March 30, five days after Richmond's season opener against Carlton.
With the AFL's permission, the Tigers have chosen to allow him to continue playing rather than exclude him from action.
A clear first-round talent who slipped to pick 51 in last year's draft, Taylor has already shown in training and pre-season games he has something special.
The Tigers say Taylor could flourish at Punt Rd as both a person and footballer.
The Tigers do not have another forward like him - a silky lead-up target capable of brilliance - and he is every chance to break into an eager young side.
"He is going well. He is really making progress," manager Tom Petroro said.
"He is settling in and making friends around the club.
"We have our fingers crossed it works out for him because he has got amazing ability."
Tigers football manager Craig Cameron said the league had been constantly kept informed about developments relating to Taylor.
"The AFL know what is happening, but there has been no directive from them," he said.
A rival AFL recruiter said yesterday the Tigers could discover an elite footballer.
"He has enough talent to play for a long time," he said.
"He is very, very talented. He has a bit of Daryl White about him - he can do the unexpected. He was a great pick at 51 in terms of talent."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/troubled-troy-taylor-highly-rated-at-richmond-tigers/story-e6frf9ix-1225836741742
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Good article and thanks for posting but it would be nice if this thread title was just 'Troy Taylor'.
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Its good to to a bit of common sense prevail re letting him play rather than excluding him from the action. I believe to do other wise would be do harm than good, so kudos to the RFC and the AFL on this one
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Its good to to a bit of common sense prevail re letting him play rather than excluding him from the action. I believe to do other wise would be do harm than good, so kudos to the RFC and the AFL on this one
Also helps with his case also showing that he has a strong new support network and focus to succeed in society rather than become a hindrance to it by remaining out of goal and focusing on life as an elite sportsman.
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i am tipping Troy Taylor will debut against Carlton!
:)
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Spot on Al.
Common sense, if there is any left in the legal system will see him lving in Victoria in a stabilised environment with a clear promoised future ahead of him.
Sending him to jail will not help his development as a member of society any better than keeping him in Victoria playing AFL.
hmm justice would probably see him behind bars. without justice you end up with anarchy where every man and his dog takes the law into his own hands.
its simple hes done the crime he has to do the time if found guilty.. there are no excuses. hes already gone thru a shedload of excuses and chances.
oh i know what when he does it for the billzillionth time perhaps some will say enough. or perhaps the next time he loses control he maims someone or worse kills them.
he would be in a power of trouble if he hurt one of my kids or killed them i would gladly put a bullet in him and put my hand up and say hey i did it, do your worst. yep anarchy looking better every day.
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hmm justice would probably see him behind bars.
You were there and saw it all then?
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Spot on Al.
Common sense, if there is any left in the legal system will see him lving in Victoria in a stabilised environment with a clear promoised future ahead of him.
Sending him to jail will not help his development as a member of society any better than keeping him in Victoria playing AFL.
hmm justice would probably see him behind bars. without justice you end up with anarchy where every man and his dog takes the law into his own hands.
its simple hes done the crime he has to do the time if found guilty.. there are no excuses. hes already gone thru a shedload of excuses and chances.
oh i know what when he does it for the billzillionth time perhaps some will say enough. or perhaps the next time he loses control he maims someone or worse kills them.
he would be in a power of trouble if he hurt one of my kids or killed them i would gladly put a bullet in him and put my hand up and say hey i did it, do your worst. yep anarchy looking better every day.
quit with the sanctimonious spray, there have been victims of assault that have been killed and been acquitted..letalone this parody of hoppo bumpo on NYE...keep your advocacy of a kangaroo court where it belongs :o
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Spot on Al.
Common sense, if there is any left in the legal system will see him lving in Victoria in a stabilised environment with a clear promoised future ahead of him.
Sending him to jail will not help his development as a member of society any better than keeping him in Victoria playing AFL.
hmm justice would probably see him behind bars. without justice you end up with anarchy where every man and his dog takes the law into his own hands.
its simple hes done the crime he has to do the time if found guilty.. there are no excuses. hes already gone thru a shedload of excuses and chances.
oh i know what when he does it for the billzillionth time perhaps some will say enough. or perhaps the next time he loses control he maims someone or worse kills them.
he would be in a power of trouble if he hurt one of my kids or killed them i would gladly put a bullet in him and put my hand up and say hey i did it, do your worst. yep anarchy looking better every day.
Talk about guilty before proven innocent. That is one of your most disgraceful posts ever and there's been plenty.
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Spot on Al.
Common sense, if there is any left in the legal system will see him lving in Victoria in a stabilised environment with a clear promoised future ahead of him.
Sending him to jail will not help his development as a member of society any better than keeping him in Victoria playing AFL.
hmm justice would probably see him behind bars. without justice you end up with anarchy where every man and his dog takes the law into his own hands.
its simple hes done the crime he has to do the time if found guilty.. there are no excuses. hes already gone thru a shedload of excuses and chances.
oh i know what when he does it for the billzillionth time perhaps some will say enough. or perhaps the next time he loses control he maims someone or worse kills them.
he would be in a power of trouble if he hurt one of my kids or killed them i would gladly put a bullet in him and put my hand up and say hey i did it, do your worst. yep anarchy looking better every day.
Sanctimonious people like perpetuate this xenophobic drivel all of the time. You do not know the facts or extenuating circumstance. Yet you saddle up your high horse and unleash nonsense that the Today Tonight team would be proud of. Please stop your posts are infuriating!
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Good article and thanks for posting but it would be nice if this thread title was just 'Troy Taylor'.
Done! :)
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No one here knows what truly happened. The only public report on what happened was that Herald-Sun article a day or so after NYE based on one of the 3 guys mouthing off to the media and his version had more holes in it than swiss cheese. Nothing we can do but let the legal process take its course and then deal with whatever the outcome is.
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Good article and thanks for posting but it would be nice if this thread title was just 'Troy Taylor'.
Done! :)
Ta cyclops.
hes already gone thru a shedload of excuses and chances. oh i know what when he does it for the billzillionth time perhaps some will say enough.
That makes him just an ordinary bloke doesn't it? ;)
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Spot on Al.
Common sense, if there is any left in the legal system will see him lving in Victoria in a stabilised environment with a clear promoised future ahead of him.
Sending him to jail will not help his development as a member of society any better than keeping him in Victoria playing AFL.
hmm justice would probably see him behind bars. without justice you end up with anarchy where every man and his dog takes the law into his own hands.
its simple hes done the crime he has to do the time if found guilty.. there are no excuses. hes already gone thru a shedload of excuses and chances.
oh i know what when he does it for the billzillionth time perhaps some will say enough. or perhaps the next time he loses control he maims someone or worse kills them.
he would be in a power of trouble if he hurt one of my kids or killed them i would gladly put a bullet in him and put my hand up and say hey i did it, do your worst. yep anarchy looking better every day.
You really do come from a dark place. Most rational people understand that to lock him up and take away his best chance in life now would more than likely result in yet another person in and out of jail, draining from society rather than contributing, but you can't see past retribution and punishment.
You are not here here for intelligent conversation, but just to argue and attempt to drag everyone else down to your level of misery. Seek professional help or crawl back into your dark space and spare the rest of us from your vitriol.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however Claw's recent post would suggest that he is more focused on provocation rather than common sense. Troy Taylor is someone who has the opportunity to turn the corner in a new and supportive environment, something which has probably been lacking for most of his life.
Go to youtube, you will see millions of troll based comments similar to Claw's. Actually here is a really funny clip that may be appropriate in this current context.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg
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troy was in red neck country
we dont know what happened
he may have been confronted by these 3 men and he could have simply been protecting himself
i doubt very much he went looking for trouble and im glad he can hold his own at such a young age, this is the player we need
players with no fear
good luck troy keep at it
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troy was in red neck country
we dont know what happened
he may have been confronted by these 3 men and he could have simply been protecting himself
i doubt very much he went looking for trouble and im glad he can hold his own at such a young age, this is the player we need
players with no fear
good luck troy keep at it
With this I agree with.
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looks the goods :cheers
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Spot on Al.
Common sense, if there is any left in the legal system will see him lving in Victoria in a stabilised environment with a clear promoised future ahead of him.
Sending him to jail will not help his development as a member of society any better than keeping him in Victoria playing AFL.
hmm justice would probably see him behind bars. without justice you end up with anarchy where every man and his dog takes the law into his own hands.
its simple hes done the crime he has to do the time if found guilty.. there are no excuses. hes already gone thru a shedload of excuses and chances.
oh i know what when he does it for the billzillionth time perhaps some will say enough. or perhaps the next time he loses control he maims someone or worse kills them.
he would be in a power of trouble if he hurt one of my kids or killed them i would gladly put a bullet in him and put my hand up and say hey i did it, do your worst. yep anarchy looking better every day.
What a load of BS. For a start, He dropped some rude prick who collared him and man handled him on a public street, I would of popped him as well. Secondly, unlike some of the charming turds we have down here in Melbourne, he wasn't tooled up with a shiv or a cudgel and nor did he go to work on him once he was on the deck by sinking the slipper in, so making out he is some sort of dangerous animal that could hurt one of your kids is just absolute crap mate. WTF is this Andrew Bolts outrage column all of a sudden? He gets his day in court just like 'whitey', and I reckon he is innocent until proven otherwise. Talking about stuffing shooting him?...what the stuff is wrong with you? How do you come up with stupid scenarios that he is a threat to your stuffing kids?
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lol @ Claw saying Troy Taylor is going to kill his kids.
finally lost the plot
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well said owl, lety me paint a picture, was NYE, trudging thru town and a smart alec tells TT crew sorry partner it's invite only...WTF, to a NYE pee up in the middle of alice springs, from what I can gather it was fairly provocative stuff and then to be frog marched , well the rest is history now...I hope we have engaged a fine lawyer and get the kid a decent start at life in the BIG smoke :thumbsup
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IMHO, the real issue is not his actions this time as it is easy to defend, its that he was on parole.
I also hope we get the best legal team together as from what I have seen he is worth it - I just hope he appreciates and repays Richmond!
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IMHO, the real issue is not his actions this time as it is easy to defend, its that he was on parole.
I also hope we get the best legal team together as from what I have seen he is worth it - I just hope he appreciates and repays Richmond!
I don't think he is on parole
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Spot on Al.
Common sense, if there is any left in the legal system will see him lving in Victoria in a stabilised environment with a clear promoised future ahead of him.
Sending him to jail will not help his development as a member of society any better than keeping him in Victoria playing AFL.
hmm justice would probably see him behind bars. without justice you end up with anarchy where every man and his dog takes the law into his own hands.
its simple hes done the crime he has to do the time if found guilty.. there are no excuses. hes already gone thru a shedload of excuses and chances.
oh i know what when he does it for the billzillionth time perhaps some will say enough. or perhaps the next time he loses control he maims someone or worse kills them.
he would be in a power of trouble if he hurt one of my kids or killed them i would gladly put a bullet in him and put my hand up and say hey i did it, do your worst. yep anarchy looking better every day.
This ladies and gentlemen is a perfect example of a brain explosion.
That post is genuine dishwater claw, I'll have what ever your having...
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lol @ Claw saying Troy Taylor is going to kill his kids.
:lol :lol :lol
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Collingwood recruit Ryan Cook fined, avoids conviction over assault
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-recruit-ryan-cook-fined-avoids-conviction-over-assault/story-e6frf9jf-1225843898116
A different assault charge and different state/territory to Troy's but Cook got off because the judge said the other guy that was hit despite his injuries had to be held "partially account for his own situation" because he was taunting Cook and had been drinking. Interesting to see when Taylor's case is heard what the full story is and whether the "assault" was one-way. One of the 3 older blokes allegedly hit by Troy admitted to the Herald-Sun just a few days after the NYE's incident that he dragged Troy out by the collar.
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Yeah was thinking the same thing and Cook did A crapload of damage to this bloke into the bargain, bunch of facial fractures, TT did nothing like that, just rattled his ego and dropped his aspirations a few pegs. Hope the Law up there sees it the same way, Cook had no priors though.
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How's the difference between that article and one in the Sydney Morning Herald?
They even tell you who threw the first punch. The Herald Scum mustn't of thought that was very relevant.
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Isn't it Troy's day in court today? The court list from Alice Springs says,
C2 TAYLOR Troy
21002626 10.00 AM Mention
1 Aggravated assault
2 Aggravated assault
3 Aggravated assault
4 Unlawfully damage Property
5 Engage in violent conduct
Does a "mention" mean it's the actual hearing or will it be adjourned to another future date?
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Taylor to contest assault charge
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2010/03/30/135831_ntnews.html (http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2010/03/30/135831_ntnews.html)
Mr Horbath told the court his client would plead not guilty to all five charges and would return in August for a hearing.
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Thanks for the update, Hoover. Now the kid has it hanging over his head till August. I guess that in order to put it out of his mind for some time, he needs to concentrate on his footy.
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Tiger Troy Taylor will contest assault charge
* Staff writer
* From: Herald Sun
* March 30, 2010 2:42PM
RICHMOND recruit Troy Taylor has told a court he will defend charges he gatecrashed an Alice Springs party and assaulted three men.
Taylor, 18, appeared in Alice Springs Magistrates Court this morning.
He flew in from Melbourne with his lawyer Paul Horvath and a Richmond development officer, the Northern Territory News reports.
Mr Horbath told the court his client would plead not guilty to all five charges and would return in August for a hearing.
It is alleged Taylor assaulted three men at a New Years Eve party in the early hours of January 1.
He was released on bail and the case was adjourned to August 9, when four days have been set aside to hear the case.
The Tigers have not suspended Taylor but it is likely to cost him at least one game - the case is scheduled to start the day after the Tigers play Melbourne at the MCG in Round 19.
Taylor was drafted by Richmond last December, just weeks before the alleged assault.
The Tigers have strongly supported Taylor and he was close to making his debut against Carlton in Round 1.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-troy-taylor-will-contest-assault-charge/story-e6frf9jf-1225847510779
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Four days set aside for the trial? Sounds like it is no small matter. Both sides must have the odd witness lined up to give evidence and be cross examined.
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Great a further 5 months wait and we're up to what our 3rd court appearance with nothing happening yet ::). Our judicial system is so archaic it's a joke.
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For something that seemed so trivial it is really getting drawn out.
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maybe someone smelt some big compo in the air and is pushing their envelope.
"That's right ya Honah, he slapped me, mah man and mah bitch in da mouth....1 million dollars" :rollin
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Tigers' Taylor goes to court claiming self-defence
AAP
WED 31 MAR 2010, Page 32
Richmond first-year forward Troy Taylor will argue he was acting in self-defence when he contests assault charges.
Taylor, 18, pleaded not guilty to five charges in the Alice Springs Magistrates Court yesterday -- three of assault, one of criminal damage and one of lighting firecrackers. He remains on bail with a hearing scheduled to start on August 9, for which four days have been set aside.
Taylor has not been sanctioned by the Tigers, who plan to let the court proceedings run their course. But the case will be hanging over Taylor's head for almost the entire season.
The charges relate to the alleged aggravated assault of three men at a New Year's Eve celebration.
He has already told police he was acting in self-defence.
Melbourne solicitor Paul Horvath represented Taylor, who was also accompanied to court by a Richmond player development manager.
The club's decision not to sanction Taylor differs from the stance taken by several others with players facing court over criminal charges.
St Kilda sacked Andrew Lovett last month, a day after he was charged with rape.
Geelong's Mathew Stokes was suspended until round eight after he was charged with trafficking and possessing cocaine.
And Essendon's Michael Hurley, whose case relates most closely to Taylor's, as he is also charged with assault, has been suspended by the Bombers until round four.
The Tigers believe there are mitigating circumstances in Taylor's case.
But the legal situation is expected to cost Taylor at least one potential AFL appearance.
His hearing is due to begin the morning after Richmond's round 19 match with Melbourne at the MCG, meaning Taylor would be unable to play in that match and reach Alice Springs in time.
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And Essendon's Michael Hurley, whose case relates most closely to Taylor's, as he is also charged with assault, has been suspended by the Bombers until round four.
Except the biggest difference, that Taylor is pleading not guilty and Hurley has admitted his guilt. ::) ::)
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Strife-torn Tigers could turn to strife-prone teenager
JAKE NIALL
April 14, 2010
RICHMOND, forced to make four compulsory changes due to player misdeeds, is considering promoting strife-prone teenager Troy Taylor for what would be his first game.
The Tigers are weighing up whether to give Taylor, an exciting mid-sized forward, his first taste of football at the highest level against Melbourne, with a decision likely to be made today.
Richmond, forced to deal with the fall-out from the suspension of four players this week, has to balance not only team structure, but also whether Taylor - who was charged with an assault in the Northern Territory over summer - has done enough to warrant a game.
Taylor, selected at No. 51 in the 2009 national draft, is 189 centimetres and a highly agile forward capable both in the air and at ground level.
While he has not been starring at Coburg in the VFL, he has shown enough exciting flashes and promise to put him under consideration for Sunday's game against the improving Demons.
Unlike Geelong, St Kilda and Essendon - which took punitive action against miscreant players (Mathew Stokes, Andrew Lovett and Michael Hurley) even before they had been dealt with by the legal system, Richmond chose not to take action against Taylor after he was charged with assault, waiting on the outcome in court and allowing him to train and play.
Taylor's case has been adjourned until August, meaning his legal issues should not prevent him from playing until almost the end of the season.
The 18-year-old from Alice Springs is a nephew of television personality Ernie Dingo.
Tom Hislop, who performed well for Coburg after being demoted, is a strong chance to return to the seniors this weekend. Jake King is another seasoned player who could be in the mix, while 195-centimetre youngster David Astbury is an outside chance to play his first game.
Robin Nahas, who has struggled thus far in 2010 at senior level after an impressive debut season, is another possible inclusion.
The suspensions mean the Tigers will lose three relatively experienced players in Ben Cousins, Luke McGuane and Dean Polo, with Daniel Connors, the player most culpable for the late night antics, was suspended for the next eight matches and fortunate to remain on the club list.
Importantly for the Tigers, three of those are mid-sized or small - only McGuane filling a key position - which gives them more options for replacements.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/strifetorn-tigers-could-turn-to-strifeprone-teenager-20100413-s7l8.html
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Taylor tipped to debut against Demons
GREY MORRIS
NT News
April 15th, 2010
RICHMOND is poised to give former Wanderers, South Alice Springs and Territory Thunder forward Troy Taylor his first taste of senior football on Sunday.
Backed into a corner by player bans from last week's post-match celebrations in Sydney, the Tigers are looking to Taylor as one of four replacement players in what will be his AFL debut.
Ben Cousins, Luke McGuane and Dean Polo were suspended for one week for bad behaviour at a post-match function following Saturday night's loss to the Swans.
Another Tiger, Daniel Connors, was banned for eight matches for unsociable behaviour, including being drunk.
Taylor's Thunder coach in Alice Springs and the region's talent development manager Tim Lawrence said his young charge was ready for senior football.
"They've (Richmond) been really pleased with him," Lawrence said. "Like a lot of young fellas, going to the big smoke was something new for him.
"But he's settled in well and he's playing some good footy, he's done all that's been asked of him."
Taylor was charged with assault after a New Year's Eve incident involving three other men in Alice Springs.
That case has been adjourned to Alice Springs in August when he will defend five charges relating to the same incident.
Lawrence said the court case was entirely separate to the playing side in Taylor's case.
"The management of that (court case) is important, but so is getting out and playing footy and seeing what Troy does best."
On the field the Tigers have seen him produce flashes of brilliance for Richmond's VFL affiliate Coburg.
At 189cm tall and blessed with great skills on the ground and in the air, Taylor would seem the perfect mix for coach Damien Hardwick's youth policy.
Another Territorian, Relton Roberts, could miss the game after being knocked out against the Swans.
Roberts was feeling OK last night, but he did complain of headaches the day after the match.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2010/04/15/139611_ntsport.html
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Take a risk. Play Taylor. Could be the spark we need against the Demons.
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Taylor tipped to debut against Demons
GREY MORRIS
NT News
April 15th, 2010
RICHMOND is poised to give former Wanderers, South Alice Springs and Territory Thunder forward Troy Taylor his first taste of senior football on Sunday.
Backed into a corner by player bans from last week's post-match celebrations in Sydney,
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2010/04/15/139611_ntsport.html
:ROTFL :wallywink
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Taylor must play!
we need another option up forward!
:)
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Taylor-made for Tigers project
GREY MORRIS
April 17th, 2010 [/i
RICHMOND'S football operations manager Ross Monaghan has earmarked Territorian Troy Taylor as a long-term project at the AFL Tigers.
The former Wanderers, South Alice Springs and Territory Thunder goalkicker makes his league debut against Melbourne at the MCG tomorrow.
"We've been really pleased with Troy, his summer training program was good," Monaghan said.
"That also applied in the practice match series where we were pleased with certain aspects of his game. He's an exciting young player and we're looking forward to him having an exciting future at Richmond."
He said the forward line was the most likely destination for Taylor's skills.
"He's good overhead and has worked really hard on his game where he's gradually learning the gameplan and what coach Damien's (Hardwick) requirements are," he said.
He's convinced the Melbourne game will be the first of many in a Tiger jumper for Taylor.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2010/04/17/140481_ntsport.html
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"We've been really pleased with Troy, his summer training program was good," Monaghan said.
I wish the club wouldnt make statements like that.
David King said the same last year about JON :banghead
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Good luck to Troy.
He'll certainly need to step up his laconic style at AFL level.
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"We've been really pleased with Troy, his summer training program was good," Monaghan said.
I wish the club wouldnt make statements like that.
David King said the same last year about JON :banghead
adding to that
similar comments i heard
richie tambling gee whiz he has been training the house down all summer :banghead :banghead
lets just hope Taylor is nothing compared to those 2 hacks
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tambling ffs, grow up
he was our best player last yr, and this yr we r just 3 rounds in
ffs u r all a bunch of shortsighted morons
tamblling is winning our tackle count, he is obv playing a different role this yr, one which u do not understand
ffs, open ur eyes and stop being a stuffing sheep
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tambling ffs, grow up
he was our best player last yr, and this yr we r just 3 rounds in
ffs u r all a bunch of shortsighted morons
tamblling is winning our tackle count, he is obv playing a different role this yr, one which u do not understand
ffs, open ur eyes and stop being a effing sheep
Tambling should be traded simple as that.
we have too many of his type on our list. These average midfielders who cant kick goals and cant win us games.
He is a nothing footballer much like Daniel Wells but at least Wells has a go.
If you think he was our best player last year well maybe you should watch the tapes again.
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tambling ffs, grow up
he was our best player last yr, and this yr we r just 3 rounds in
ffs u r all a bunch of shortsighted morons
tamblling is winning our tackle count, he is obv playing a different role this yr, one which u do not understand
ffs, open ur eyes and stop being a effing sheep
lmaoo
eff you are a 1st rate dh NFI
tambling is poo
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stuff u guys are blind arse morons
would not know a good footy player even if he opened up ur mouth and shat right down it
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lol you really are one dumb
But truth be told don't know who is dumber, you for truly believing what you write on tambling, or me for even wasting my time replying to an obvious simpleton
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Enough with the namecalling :banghead.
Stick to the issue(s) with your opinion and don't personally attack someone and call them names just because they disagree with your opinion on a issue.
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eff u guys are blind behind morons
would not know a good footy player even if he opened up ur mouth and shat right down it
This particular footy player would play for Collingwood I reckon. They practice that strange move at training. Eddie likes to be the receiver!
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eff u guys are blind behind morons
would not know a good footy player even if he opened up ur mouth and shat right down it
This particular footy player would play for Collingwood I reckon. They practice that strange move at training. Eddie likes to be the receiver!
:lol :rollin :rollin
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A reminder Troy's court case is coming up this week
He was released on bail and the case was adjourned to August 9, when four days have been set aside to hear the case.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-troy-taylor-will-contest-assault-charge/story-e6frf9jf-1225847510779
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A reminder Troy's court case is coming up this week
He was released on bail and the case was adjourned to August 9, when four days have been set aside to hear the case.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-troy-taylor-will-contest-assault-charge/story-e6frf9jf-1225847510779
Four days set aside for an assualt case!!?? Some murder trials don't go that long!
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Young Tiger to contest charges
SAMANTHA LANE
August 9, 2010
RICHMOND'S Troy Taylor will argue he was acting in self-defence when he contests three assault charges in the Alice Springs Magistrates Court today.
The first-year Tiger was due to fly north this morning for his hearing, accompanied by Richmond's football manager Craig Cameron and welfare manager Lauren Cooper.
Taylor, 18, has already pleaded not guilty to five charges - three of assault, one of criminal damage and one of lighting firecrackers.
It is alleged Taylor assaulted three men at a New Year's Eve party in the early hours of January 1.
Taylor was released on bail and had his case adjourned after he appeared in Alice Springs Magistrates Court in March.
Four days have been set aside for his court hearing this week, though a club spokesman told The Age last night that he did not expect it would go beyond one day.
Taylor has played two matches for Richmond, in rounds four and five this season, and coach Damien Hardwick last night named him among the forwards he believed were keys to the club's future development.
Taylor played for Richmond's VFL affiliate side Coburg yesterday, kicking a goal and having six disposals.
''He had a very good frame of mind and he was very positive in the way he went about his footy today … he's acquitted himself very well over the last couple of weeks,'' said Richmond development coach and Coburg coach David Newett.
''He didn't have a massive game in terms of possessions, but his defensive work was very good.
''It was a hard day for the forwards in the windy conditions.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/young-tiger-to-contest-charges-20100808-11qaa.html
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/09/2977802.htm?site=sport§ion=afl (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/09/2977802.htm?site=sport§ion=afl)
Young Richmond forward Troy Taylor has pleaded guilty in the Alice Springs Magistrates Court to assaulting two men on New Year's Eve.
The court heard 18-year-old Taylor and his friends were among a large group of youths who turned up to an Alice Springs street party uninvited.
After being asked to leave by the host and her stepson, it is alleged Taylor slapped the stepson and then punched him twice.
Taylor also admitted to punching another man who came to the assistance of the first man, knocking him unconscious.
The plea hearing continues.
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Taylor free to continue career
richmondfc.com.au
5:21 PM Mon 09 August, 2010
Exciting Richmond youngster Troy Taylor is free to continue his AFL career after today being handed a suspended sentence in Alice Springs Magistrates’ Court.
Taylor appeared in court on assault charges relating to an incident that occurred in December last year.
He pleaded guilty and was convicted of assault. He was given a three-month suspended sentence.
“Troy is extremely remorseful and understands fully that he has done the wrong thing,” Richmond General Manager of Football Craig Cameron said after the court hearing.
“The Club will continue to support Troy and assist him in making better decisions in the future.
“Troy has a wonderful opportunity being a part of the AFL system and we will be working with him to make the most of that opportunity.”
Taylor was selected by Richmond with pick 51 overall in the 2009 National Draft, and played the first of his two AFL games against Melbourne in Round 4.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/99997/default.aspx
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3 month suspended sentence, great news :clapping :clapping :clapping
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3 month suspended sentence, great news :clapping :clapping :clapping
Yes good news
Good deal, well handled by his legal team :thumbsup
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Is he still eligible for the rising star? ;)
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Is he still eligible for the rising star? ;)
It's much funnier this time.........................mainly because I didn't get it the first time!! :lol
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Id play him again before the end of the season definately play him in r22.
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Is he still eligible for the rising star? ;)
It's much funnier this time.........................mainly because I didn't get it the first time!! :lol
Yeah Smokey, this WAS funnier but the 1st one was pretty good as well :thumbsup
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Lucky boy. Hopefully Troy makes the most of his second chance and puts his head down from now on. Credit also to the RFC for the way they handled this and supported Troy.
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Is he still eligible for the rising star? ;)
:scream
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are we going to see him this week?
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are we going to see him this week?
I would say no given the interrupted preparation flying up there and back.
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Tigers back Taylor
The Age
RICHMOND: The Tigers have pledged their full support for Troy Taylor after the first-year AFL forward was convicted of assault.
Taylor, 18, appeared in the Alice Springs Magistrates Court yesterday, where he pleaded guilty to two counts of assault relating to an altercation on New Year's Eve.
Three other charges against Taylor were dropped.
Taylor was sentenced to 2½ months' jail, suspended with the rising of the court. Magistrate David Bamber also placed Taylor on a two-year good behaviour bond.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/gieschen-admits-blues-20100809-11u1c.html
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Time for a big pre-season now with a clear mind. Then explode onto the scene next year!!
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'Loophole' sees Tiger dodge prison
DAN MOSS
August 10th, 2010
RICHMOND footballer Troy Taylor was yesterday spared a jail sentence over a serious assault in Alice Springs on New Year's Eve.
Magistrate David Bamber sentenced Taylor, 18, to two weeks in prison but suspended the sentence for two years after he pleaded guilty yesterday.
Mr Bamber told the Alice Springs Magistrates Court he didn't want to be the person to cut Taylor's talented career short.
The former NT Thunder junior was charged over the assault just weeks after being picked up by Richmond in the 2009 AFL draft.
Taylor's defence Michael Tovey QC said his client had the support of the Tigers and was working through alcohol and anger issues.
Under Northern Territory law anyone convicted of a serious assault must serve time in custody.
But a loophole in the law allowed Mr Bamber to let Taylor walk free at the rising of the court yesterday afternoon.
The prosecution, led by Steve Robson, charged Taylor with two counts of aggravated assault, and dropped three charges of unlawfully damaging property, engaging in violent conduct and aggravated assault.
The court heard Taylor went with friends to a New Year's Eve street party on Campbell St, Alice Springs, hosted by Heather Parkinson. The court heard about 150 people were at the party, not all of them invited.
After the party appeared to get out of hand, Ms Parkinson asked Taylor and others who were not invited to leave.
The court heard Taylor said: "Who do you think you are, you don't own Campbell St."
She reportedly replied: "I know I don't own Campbell St but this is my party and I don't even know who you are. I'm nearly 50. Why would you want to come to a 50-year-old's party?"
After Taylor refused to leave, Ms Parkinson's stepson Barry Parkinson approached Taylor.
The court heard Taylor slapped Mr Parkinson hard enough "to gain his attention." Mr Parkinson then grabbed him by the collar and pushed him outside.
The court heard Taylor hit Mr Parkinson twice to the jaw and mouth, loosening his front teeth.
Another man, Brian Thompson, then approached Taylor.
The court heard Taylor punched him to the ground leaving him unconscious.
Taylor then left the party, but went to the Alice Springs Police Station on January 9 to make a statement where he admitted the assaults and said he thought he was being attacked.
Mr Tovey submitted references for Taylor which Mr Bamber said were impressive and honest.
Taylor has played two senior games for the Tigers this year.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2010/08/10/170891_ntnews.html
(http://www.ntnews.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2010/08/09/TROYTAYLOR_TOP_IMAGE_650PX_KJ104671_155186.JPG)
Richmond footballer Troy Taylor, left, leaves court yesterday with, from left, Lauren Cooper, Richmond Football Club welfare manager, his brother Corey and mother Tania Dudgeon. Picture: JUSTIN BRIERTY
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Hasn't got huge stats but very impressed so far. His got footy smarts and awareness to tap the ball amongst bodies to himself or to teammates. Nice bump on Goddard as well.
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He should be in jail. He's a very lucky man.
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He should be in jail. He's a very lucky man.
GET OVER IT
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He should be in jail. He's a very lucky man.
no he should not
he should be in the rfc forward line u flog
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He should be in jail. He's a very lucky man.
I never realised how ahead of my time I was calling you an oxygen theif
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He should be in jail. He's a very lucky man.
Pfft thanks Judge Judy.
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Troy was great today has huge potential.
Very Liam Jurrah like with a bigger tank.
Big pre season and a free mind, wish him all the best.
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Still just glimpses and a long way to go but as Pope said the potential is huge with his touch of magic. A Tiger to get very excited about once 10 possies turns regularly into 20 and he builds up his tank in 2-3 years time. Very impressive.
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Troy was great today has huge potential.
Very Liam Jurrah like with a bigger tank.
Big pre season and a free mind, wish him all the best.
Thought he was ordinary.
had trouble reading the play and has a long way to go.
Would get rid of the yellow boots for starters :banghead
Talk about getting ahead of yourself :banghead
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He should be in jail. He's a very lucky man.
if he was white there would not even be any charges or trouble
the other bastards sghould have been charged because the whole fiasco was racially motivated and the wasp ended up with his ass kicked and could not handle it
taylor has star qualities, he just has that bit of magic about him
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Troy was great today has huge potential.
Very Liam Jurrah like with a bigger tank.
Big pre season and a free mind, wish him all the best.
Thought he was ordinary.
had trouble reading the play and has a long way to go.
Would get rid of the yellow boots for starters :banghead
Talk about getting ahead of yourself :banghead
he wasnit ordinary and he wasnt lost
have no idea who u were looking at
all taylor lacked was fitness and codition needed for this level but that will come
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The kid has football brain. If he makes it he will be very good. Got the impression he was overly conscious of making head contact if he was second to ball, but that's the way "they" seem to want the game played.
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He should be in jail. He's a very lucky man.
JFC,what a lagging dog of an attitude.
Troy - could be HUGE !
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He should be in jail. He's a very lucky man.
when was the last time someone was imprisoned for punching another person when there no injuries sustained, get off the loony soup ya bloody dill, bush justice went out the door with the white australia policy :o
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Troy was great today has huge potential.
Very Liam Jurrah like with a bigger tank.
Big pre season and a free mind, wish him all the best.
Thought he was ordinary.
had trouble reading the play and has a long way to go.
Would get rid of the yellow boots for starters :banghead
Talk about getting ahead of yourself :banghead
Lower your expectations.
His 3rd and 4th efforts before his first goal was great to see. The kid has as much talent as any young KP Forward, its the work rate I'm looking at which was great today.
10 possessions, 5 marks 8 tackles and a goal.
Watch the replay.
Poor call Jack for mine. In fact horrible call.
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i thought he was ok for where he is at in his career. still plenty of time for taylor.
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Yep plenty of time for development with this kid but definitely shows that he has the quality to play at this level.
LMAO at our new draftees getting bagged after two or three games, talk about picking an easy target. A lot of the draftees on show this year wouldn't have even debuted in a competitive side.
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Troy was great today has huge potential.
Very Liam Jurrah like with a bigger tank.
Big pre season and a free mind, wish him all the best.
Thought he was ordinary.
had trouble reading the play and has a long way to go.
Would get rid of the yellow boots for starters :banghead
Talk about getting ahead of yourself :banghead
he wasnit ordinary and he wasnt lost
have no idea who u were looking at
all taylor lacked was fitness and codition needed for this level but that will come
Did you go to the game X?
he continually ran under the ball.
his shot on goal from 20 metres wehere he missed the lot
Get rid of the yellow boots would be a huge start
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Troy was great today has huge potential.
Very Liam Jurrah like with a bigger tank.
Big pre season and a free mind, wish him all the best.
Thought he was ordinary.
had trouble reading the play and has a long way to go.
Would get rid of the yellow boots for starters :banghead
Talk about getting ahead of yourself :banghead
he wasnit ordinary and he wasnt lost
have no idea who u were looking at
all taylor lacked was fitness and codition needed for this level but that will come
Did you go to the game X?
he continually ran under the ball.
his shot on goal from 20 metres wehere he missed the lot
Get rid of the yellow boots would be a huge start
he is just symbolizing our colours jack :thumbsup
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Impressed by his marking and Tackling. Could have a kicked a couple. Happy with his second efforts.
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Would get rid of the yellow boots for starters :banghead
Talk about getting ahead of yourself :banghead
You wear what your sponsors gives you Jack ;D
But seriously, I thought he was OK in patches but as I posted somewhere else I thought defensively he struggled, very slow to react when he doesn't have the ball therefore making it very easy for the opposition to run off. But he isn't the first kid to come through the system with that problem in their game and he wont be the last
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Nah, Jack is right. Change the color of his boots he will instantly become a better player. Every one knows that.
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You nuffer Al ur kidding urself I want him gone now, 3 games is enough to be proving he is a gun
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what? without even giving him a game in different colored boots to see how he goes? don"t you know anything about football? :banghead
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Stupid topic who cares what colour your boots are, no1 wears black anymore.
Everyone wears white boots. Yellow is fine, if it was pink or red or oranges I'd have an issue.
He has Yellow and Black boots... whats the difference if someone wears a yellow and black mouth guard?
Storm - Tea cup.
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Troy had a very very ordinary game against the saints, however it is only either his second or third game at this level plus he has had a very unsettling time since he has been with us for a young aboriginal boy. Good on Morten for lending a helping hand. If the boy settles and works hard then he's got a future.
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Emma Quayle's view on Troy.....
Q. Also, has she [Emma Quayle] been following the progress of Troy Taylor? Did late season form justify her similarly high rating, and is he now aware of what he has to do to realise his potential?
I think he’s just starting to. Someone explained it to me the other day that he is starting to feel attached to the group and sense the responsibility he has to them. Troy has a long way to go and Richmond are probably also still figuring out the best way to work with him. But I think we all saw a bit of his raw talent this year. It’s such an important time in his life because footy starts to really work out for him, it could change the whole course of his life. That sounds a bit clichéd, but I can’t think of a better way to put it. He’s another one I really want to see make it.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19312383&postcount=1
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Very important that these indigenous kids (though i guess with relton, bling and alroy gone he and shane are our only two on the list) feel a part of the team and the club. Know that Bling was important for this so hope the club still has a good structure in place for this issue as there is no doubt that Troy has immense talent and if his head is in the right place he could be a real X factor for the team.
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Let's hope Troy uses the chance he has been given by footy. A positive sign if Emma is correct about him feeling closer to the playing group and the team first creed. With the new facilities including the indigenous centre and more resources being pumped into recruiting and player development hopefully we are now drafting far more kids who'll make it at AFL level than don't and that all our cubs now have the development help those in the past didn't receive.
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Let's hope Troy uses the chance he has been given by footy. A positive sign if Emma is correct about him feeling closer to the playing group and the team first creed. With the new facilities including the indigenous centre and more resources being pumped into recruiting and player development hopefully we are now drafting far more kids who'll make it at AFL level than don't and that all our cubs now have the development help those in the past didn't receive.
we must thank mitch morton for this too, mitch took him under his wing mid season , iirc troy lives with mitch now and mitch has been a huge positive influence for troy
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I've got very high hopes for TT.
Reckon he's gonna be a jet, which is why i bought his badge.
Gives our forward line some much needed unpredictability.
great stuff from Morts to take him under his wing. :thumbsup
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I'm going to buy a badge and put it on my beanie
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Showed some real promise in the St Kilda and Port Adelaide games in round 21 and 22. Lets hope that his performances there are a launching pad for an undisturbed pre season and start of a promising on field 2011 for him. :thumbsup
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Would love to see this guy step up next year, how good would that be... :thumbsup :thumbsup
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we must thank mitch morton for this too, mitch took him under his wing mid season , iirc troy lives with mitch now and mitch has been a huge positive influence for troy
Correct X :thumbsup
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we must thank mitch morton for this too, mitch took him under his wing mid season , iirc troy lives with mitch now and mitch has been a huge positive influence for troy
Correct X :thumbsup
That was the feeling I got too. Getting the court case out of the way would have helped as well.
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I've got very high hopes for TT.
Reckon he's gonna be a jet, which is why i bought his badge.
Gives our forward line some much needed unpredictability.
great stuff from Morts to take him under his wing. :thumbsup
they live just up the road positive influence as well, what the kid needs is some guidence
MM right bloke for it. :thumbsup
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Has more (raw) ability than many on our list.
If he gets the 'tude right we may have a genuine X-Factor footballer, if not he joins the scrapheap of talented players that didn't want it.
Up to Troy what he wants to do..
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Would love to see this guy step up next year, how good would that be... :thumbsup :thumbsup
i reckon if we get 5 to 10 games out of him it will be a bonus next yr. not expecting a lot hes got a lot of size to put on.
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Taylor to miss pre-season start
Young Richmond forward Troy Taylor will be absent from the early stages of the Tigers’ pre-season training for personal reasons.
“The Club is aware that Troy has some personal issues he is dealing with at the moment. We have been in constant contact with Troy and his family while he works through those issues.” Richmond General Manager of Football Craig Cameron said.
“We are hopeful that Troy will return to the club in the near future, and we will continue to support him through this period.”
There will be no further comment from the Club at this time.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/default.aspx?newsid=104823
Hmmm.... All those with high hopes for Troy next year (me included), might have to lower their expectations a little.
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terrible news. :(
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Incredibly frustrating news, has had a different upbringing and you just hope the world for the kid.
As a Caucasian Australian it's a hard pill to swallow that so many Indigenous players find it hard to deal with a culture change. Are the 2 cultures that different? What are we doing wrong? It's a culture issue I'd love resolved, not only for a football benefits but a wider community as well.
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pity, hope he comes good later in the year then.
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Young Tiger Troy Taylor may quit AFL
* Sam Edmund
* From: Herald Sun
* November 03, 2010 5:58PM
TROUBLED Richmond forward Troy Taylor could walk out on the club, believed to be disillusioned by the demands of AFL life.
Taylor, who was to start pre-season training with teammates last week, has instead returned home to Alice Springs to be with family and friends as he ponders his future.
The Tigers remain hopeful they can convince the talented 19-year-old to stay at Punt Rd, but have been forced to give him space as they begin preparations for the 2011 season.
"The club is aware that Troy has some personal issues he is dealing with at the moment," Richmond football operations manager Craig Cameron said today.
"We have been in constant contact with Troy and his family while he works through those issues.
"We are hopeful that Troy will return to the club in the near future, and we will continue to support him through this period."
Taylor's walkout comes less than three months after he was spared a jail sentence over a serious assault last New Year's Eve.
Taylor was sentenced to two weeks in prison, but had it suspended for two years after pleading guilty to two counts of aggravated assault.
Magistrate David Bamber said he didn't want to be the person to cut short Taylor's talented career.
Richmond stood by the teenager, who initially impressed club officials with his attitude and training performances after moving to Melbourne.
"As a kid we all made mistakes and Troy admits that and is willing to accept the consequences of his actions," coach Damien Hardwick said earlier this year.
"He's a player we think we can have an enormous future with."
The Tigers' battle to retain Taylor comes after the club delisted Alroy Gilligan and Relton Roberts, with the latter also struggling to embrace the demands of life as an AFL player.
Carl Peterson was delisted by Hawthorn last month after frustrating the club with his unprofessional attitude.
Peterson excited in 17 games this year, but fell out of contact with the Hawks for several weeks and didn't attend the club's best-and-fairest count.
Taylor was taken with pick No.51 in last year's national draft, with Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale declaring the club was aware Taylor "had a number of issues" when it recruited him.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/young-tiger-troy-taylor-may-quit-afl/story-e6frf9jf-1225947430735
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>:( Gees this would be dissapointing. I know the cultural change for young indiginous kids coming down to Melbourne from the territory must be significant but i do feel that Troy owes a good deal to the club after it has stood by him for the last year or so depite his family/legal issues. The magistrates "leniency" towards him was also partly due to his promising afl career so i feel he would be letting down the courts as well as he has been given a 2nd chance in a situation where many wouldnt by both the club and the courts and he could well be throwing it away. Don't want to sound to harsh on the kid but if issues like this continue with Richmond and other clubs it would not suprise me if many of the promising indiginous players are bypassed in the ND and picked up as rookies as clubs will not be prepared to take the risk that these players will go home after a year or 2.
Hopefully Troy can sort out this problem as i think he plenty of potential but there comes a point where the club has to be ruthless whether the player is indignous or not. This is a business and to treat player A differently to player B can create a dangerous environment. Richmond must always do what is best for Richmond!!
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Let him quit or pee him off. This is rubbish, hes just lazy and doesnt want to put in the work this industry demands nothing more nothing less. Sick and tired of the moaning and soul searching about what we can do to make him(& other indigenous players) more welcome. The answer is NOTHING, we do everything we can but bottom line is, u can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink, ame deal with Troy and roberts - dont want it? well pee off so we can draft a kid who does!
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What is the last date he can be delisted so that we can replace him with another pick in the draft?
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What a waste of picks.
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i cannot beleive the club would pick up these guys.
there are kids out there ''busting there gut '' to play AFL and we waste 2 picks now it seems on players that are ""in the too hard basket "
from what I have seen at AFL level, it is way too hard for most of these players who come from different backrounds.
Have a look at Hawthorns delistings,
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i cannot beleive the club would pick up these guys.
there are kids out there ''busting there gut '' to play AFL and we waste 2 picks now it seems on players that are ""in the too hard basket "
from what I have seen at AFL level, it is way too hard for most of these players who come from different backrounds.
Have a look at Hawthorns delistings,
so he can go go back Alice springs and live of Center link rather than being apart of a massive AFL club that will win a premishpe making him alot of money ????
... by the way teh NRL has exactly the same problem ...i just dont get it ??? hopfully we learn from Roberts, Taylor ect ect
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What is the last date he can be delisted so that we can replace him with another pick in the draft?
Wednesday November 10, 2pm - List lodgement two. (National Draft on Nov 18)
Wednesday November 24, 2pm - List lodgement three and TPP estimates. (PSD on Dec 7)
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i cannot beleive the club would pick up these guys.
there are kids out there ''busting there gut '' to play AFL and we waste 2 picks now it seems on players that are ""in the too hard basket "
from what I have seen at AFL level, it is way too hard for most of these players who come from different backrounds.
Have a look at Hawthorns delistings,
so he can go go back Alice springs and live of Center link rather than being apart of a massive AFL club that will win a premishpe making him alot of money ????
... by the way teh NRL has exactly the same problem ...i just dont get it ??? hopfully we learn from Roberts, Taylor ect ect
They find it hard in a team enviroment
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What is the last date he can be delisted so that we can replace him with another pick in the draft?
Wednesday November 10, 2pm - List lodgement two. (National Draft on Nov 18)
Wednesday November 24, 2pm - List lodgement three and TPP estimates. (PSD on Dec 7)
But he is contracted so I cannot see him being delisted
And in fairness we don't know (neither does the media most probably) what these "personal issues" are so until we do I dont think we should be shunting him off just yet :-\
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i cannot beleive the club would pick up these guys.
there are kids out there ''busting there gut '' to play AFL and we waste 2 picks now it seems on players that are ""in the too hard basket "
from what I have seen at AFL level, it is way too hard for most of these players who come from different backrounds.
Have a look at Hawthorns delistings,
spot on
an absolute waste. Clubs are picking up your Barlow and J Pod's and we have a crack at 2 players who were a massive risk.
I hope we have learnt our lesson
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i cannot beleive the club would pick up these guys.
there are kids out there ''busting there gut '' to play AFL and we waste 2 picks now it seems on players that are ""in the too hard basket "
from what I have seen at AFL level, it is way too hard for most of these players who come from different backrounds.
Have a look at Hawthorns delistings,
spot on
an absolute waste. Clubs are picking up your Barlow and J Pod's and we have a crack at 2 players who were a massive risk.
I hope we have learnt our lesson
What happens if he comes back ???
We change the locks on the building and not let him in :-\ :help
;D
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he'll be back in February or March, probably just doesnt want to do the preseason lol. Personally Id sack him. Not worth the effort. Also showed no respect for what the club did for him with his legal issues.
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what a shame considering the talent this kid has, i wonder with the other two indiginoues players leaving in bling and gilligan that he felt very much alone...hope it can be worked through...the off season must be excruciating for these guys
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stuff
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The alarm bells rang when he wore the "lime boots"" at his first game
talk about getting ahead of yourself
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He won't be reading but I say, please come back Troy.
The Tigers need a talent like you. Shame to see your gift wasted.
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so he can go go back Alice springs and live of Center link rather than being apart of a massive AFL club that will win a premishpe making him alot of money ?
Yes, darn those crazy Aboriginals, don't they realise that money means everything in life!
::)
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Some threads you just know are going to be full of narrow minded, ill informed, bigoted crap.
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The alarm bells rang when he wore the "lime boots"" at his first game
talk about getting ahead of yourself
classic.
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why ? the kid should have been pulled into line there and then.
Its a team game , not an individual game.
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Yep spot on Jack.
Wait till you at least know how to play the game at the highest level before you start parading around in lime aqua or whatever coloured boots.
Good bye. Next
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Yep spot on Jack.
Wait till you at least know how to play the game at the highest level before you start parading around in lime aqua or whatever coloured boots.
Good bye. Next
tossers nfi
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Some threads you just know are going to be full of narrow minded, ill informed, bigoted crap.
absolute rubbish. If you dont put in the hard yards doesnt matter what you look like you should be shown the door.
The facts are we recruited one hamburger eating bloke who never made anywhere near an ideal playing weight and now this bloke.
We helped save his career and possibly his life by assisting him with his legal issues up there and he decides its all to hard so he wants out.
Now if its something more serious then like family health issues etc then i take it all back cause families number 1 but i just feel he thought its all too hard for him.
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Common theme here
Ask the Hawks how Ryan Hooper and Carl Peterson are going, Oh thats right, there been delisted ::)
Year before , they couldnt ship Mark Williams out of the club quick enough.
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if any player wants to go, let him. that motto shouldn't apply just to Taylor, but to any player who isn't 100% committed to their football career or their club. in this case, if he struggles to adapt to life as a footballer, too bad. football is a harsh game sometimes, which is why only the most hard-working and most determined ever get anywhere. if he's not willing to put in the hard yards, why should he reap the rewards?
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if any player wants to go, let him. that motto shouldn't apply just to Taylor, but to any player who isn't 100% committed to their football career or their club. in this case, if he struggles to adapt to life as a footballer, too bad. football is a harsh game sometimes, which is why only the most hard-working and most determined ever get anywhere. if he's not willing to put in the hard yards, why should he reap the rewards?
correct!!! got nothing to do with colour or background as some here are suggesting.
you are either 100% committed or your not, pretty simple
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Let him quit or pee him off. This is rubbish, hes just lazy and doesnt want to put in the work this industry demands nothing more nothing less. Sick and tired of the moaning and soul searching about what we can do to make him(& other indigenous players) more welcome. The answer is NOTHING, we do everything we can but bottom line is, u can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink, ame deal with Troy and roberts - dont want it? well pee off so we can draft a kid who does!
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I agree TM. This peees me off, but why do we draft outback indigenous players NT or Alice 30 odd Deg heat, and expects them too fit right at home in the biggest city in Australia cold and wet. We say that because we have given them the chance they should be grateful suck it up and get on with it. These guys are huge talents that we are mismanaging. We need to understand there culture and try to accommodate them a little otherwise do not bother trading them at all. There is so many others who would love the chance.
Having said that i hope he stays and displays his skills and talents for us all to see.
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if any player wants to go, let him. that motto shouldn't apply just to Taylor, but to any player who isn't 100% committed to their football career or their club. in this case, if he struggles to adapt to life as a footballer, too bad. football is a harsh game sometimes, which is why only the most hard-working and most determined ever get anywhere. if he's not willing to put in the hard yards, why should he reap the rewards?
correct!!! got nothing to do with colour or background as some here are suggesting.
you are either 100% committed or your not, pretty simple
that approach has done wonders for Man Utd coach Sir Alex Ferguson with players like David Beckham and Cristiano Ronaldo not being 100% focused on the team over there in probably the biggest domestic football league in the world with probably both the best players in the world at the time, so i don't see why the Tigers shouldn't use that approach with players like Taylor if they can't show that their #1 priority is the jumper they wear on the field. not saying that Taylor's ego is at all the problem, i wouldn't have a clue about his ego, but the simple concept of a player's attitude towards the club they represent is identical.
to me, no player is ever above the team, and if they're playing for any club, not just the Tigers, they shouldn't be there unless their ultimate goal is to win a premiership with that team.
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Mark Williams had a chronic injury; Essendon were just dumb to trade for him.
There's plenty of naturally talented footballers of all creeds and colours running around at lower levels across Australia who aren't playing AFL because they doesn't have the commitment, drive and self-discipline required to match-it at the elite level. If Troy doesn't come back he won't be the first and he won't be the last.
what a shame considering the talent this kid has, i wonder with the other two indiginoues players leaving in bling and gilligan that he felt very much alone...hope it can be worked through...the off season must be excruciating for these guys
Apparently Troy was fairly close to Relton so that probably does have something to do with it. Btw I can't see the Club leaving him alone back home if he's still wanted. You'd expect Dimma, Newy, Lids and perhaps one or two of his 2009 peers like Dusty to go keep in regular contact and remind him he has the chance of a lifetime to stick with those who stuck by him.
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Gone walkabout.
How can people just walk away from the world at there feet.
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Gone walkabout.
How can people just walk away from the world at there feet.
He may not have the passion and desire for it. Hopefully after some think time away he realises he does, he's wanted and returns.
Wasn't Troy staying at Morton's place or at least under his guidance? Mitch must be a lousy cook lol.
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Yeah, this was a little disappointing to hear, never mind, he will do what is best for him ans so he should. We didn't invest too much in him so nothing lost other than potential and COULD have been, but hey he may come back.
I suppose if he leaves and then tries to go to another club next year we will get some compo..
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Gone walkabout.
How can people just walk away from the world at there feet.
you dont get it do u
and walkabout is a racist term, if u know anything about aboriginal culture and customs, u will know that they do not go walkabout, that was a term made up by white racists
he has gone hone for personal reasons, going home is not "walkabout"
u have to reason they have different values to anglo saxons their family and their land mean so much to them, more than money fame assetts
we dont even know what has happened. for him to go back home it must be important
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Common theme here
Ask the Hawks how Ryan Hooper and Carl Peterson are going, Oh thats right, there been delisted ::)
Year before , they couldnt ship Mark Williams out of the club quick enough.
and how are Cyril rioli, chance bateman and lance Franklin going?
Oh that's right they're aboriginal it's about to come to an end with them walking on the club because somehow your colour means you just can't handle the pressure of the afl. What is it, 10% of the comp are aboriginal?
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Common theme here
Ask the Hawks how Ryan Hooper and Carl Peterson are going, Oh thats right, there been delisted ::)
Year before , they couldnt ship Mark Williams out of the club quick enough.
and how are Cyril rioli, chance bateman and lance Franklin going?
Oh that's right they're aboriginal it's about to come to an end with them walking on the club because somehow your colour means you just can't handle the pressure of the afl. What is it, 10% of the comp are aboriginal?
For those in the know, common knowledge all 3 have had issues, if it wasnt for Buddys girlfriend, Buddy would be on the scrapheap
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Mark Williams had a chronic injury; Essendon were just dumb to trade for him.
There's plenty of naturally talented footballers of all creeds and colours running around at lower levels across Australia who aren't playing AFL because they doesn't have the commitment, drive and self-discipline required to match-it at the elite level. If Troy doesn't come back he won't be the first and he won't be the last.
what a shame considering the talent this kid has, i wonder with the other two indiginoues players leaving in bling and gilligan that he felt very much alone...hope it can be worked through...the off season must be excruciating for these guys
Apparently Troy was fairly close to Relton so that probably does have something to do with it. Btw I can't see the Club leaving him alone back home if he's still wanted. You'd expect Dimma, Newy, Lids and perhaps one or two of his 2009 peers like Dusty to go keep in regular contact and remind him he has the chance of a lifetime to stick with those who stuck by him.
mark Williams is a nutcase
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Gone walkabout.
How can people just walk away from the world at there feet.
you dont get it do u
and walkabout is a racist term, if u know anything about aboriginal culture and customs, u will know that they do not go walkabout, that was a term made up by white racists
he has gone hone for personal reasons, going home is not "walkabout"
u have to reason they have different values to anglo saxons their family and their land mean so much to them, more than money fame assetts
we dont even know what has happened. for him to go back home it must be important
They did go walk about actually.
usually between Nov to march each year.
Go to cairns and learn abit about culture X.
The highlands are full of them.
Also big issue in the aboriginal society at the presnt time is they have no leader.
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Poor little didums - Getover it
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They did go walk about actually.
usually between Nov to march each year.
Go to cairns and learn abit about culture X.
The highlands are full of them.
Also big issue in the aboriginal society at the presnt time is they have no leader.
There's more poo in this thread than a Werribee duck.
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Common theme here
Ask the Hawks how Ryan Hooper and Carl Peterson are going, Oh thats right, there been delisted ::)
Year before , they couldnt ship Mark Williams out of the club quick enough.
and how are Cyril rioli, chance bateman and lance Franklin going?
Oh that's right they're aboriginal it's about to come to an end with them walking on the club because somehow your colour means you just can't handle the pressure of the afl. What is it, 10% of the comp are aboriginal?
For those in the know, common knowledge all 3 have had issues, if it wasnt for Buddys girlfriend, Buddy would be on the scrapheap
spot on. Even Sewell once told me a few years back that Hodge was a permanent minder of Buddy thats how bad it was.
he was asked by the club to be with him everywhere he went.
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some of the ignorant racist comments made on this thread are a disgrace.
Amazing that some 'intelligent" people are so naive, proposing that the clubs bans drafting aboriginal players is just absurd.
Taylor is a special case, and lucky for him he is a very special talent, the club will try and nurture him through this as his potential is enormous, and he can fill a need at richmond as a forward that we desperately need.
Taylor has had a troubled past. The club knew that when he was drafted, it was a calculated risk and he still is, this isnt over yet, I expect him to come back closer to game time. Dimma and the coaching staff have the job ahead of them to keep him motivated, he is worth the effort as he may furnish into a young MickY O
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some of the ignorant racist comments made on this thread are a disgrace.
Here here.
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some of the ignorant racist comments made on this thread are a disgrace.
Amazing that some 'intelligent" people are so naive, proposing that the clubs bans drafting aboriginal players is just absurd.
Taylor is a special case, and lucky for him he is a very special talent, the club will try and nurture him through this as his potential is enormous, and he can fill a need at richmond as a forward that we desperately need.
Taylor has had a troubled past. The club knew that when he was drafted, it was a calculated risk and he still is, this isnt over yet, I expect him to come back closer to game time. Dimma and the coaching staff have the job ahead of them to keep him motivated, he is worth the effort as he may furnish into a young MickY O
Yep!
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if nason or connors left unexpectedly to go home what would happen? i don't think they would receive the same treatment as an aboriginal player they should be treated like every other player in the team.. he wants to go home and not play pre - season? dont let the door hit ya on the way out
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Fan it
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if nason or connors left unexpectedly to go home what would happen? i don't think they would receive the same treatment as an aboriginal player they should be treated like every other player in the team.. he wants to go home and not play pre - season? dont let the door hit ya on the way out
nason would be cut, but connors, well he has been given heaps of chances and it looks like its going to pay off.
Basically the AFL, and all professional sport works like this, the greater the athletes talent, the more opportunities he gets. Taylor is super talented and hence he will get heaps of opportunities to turn his life around, because the potential is huge.
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Gone walkabout.
How can people just walk away from the world at there feet.
you dont get it do u
and walkabout is a racist term, if u know anything about aboriginal culture and customs, u will know that they do not go walkabout, that was a term made up by white racists
he has gone hone for personal reasons, going home is not "walkabout"
u have to reason they have different values to anglo saxons their family and their land mean so much to them, more than money fame assetts
we dont even know what has happened. for him to go back home it must be important
They did go walk about actually.
usually between Nov to march each year.
Go to cairns and learn abit about culture X.
The highlands are full of them.
Also big issue in the aboriginal society at the presnt time is they have no leader.
dont give me that poo jackstar
u think u know it all but u know jack poo
i am married to an aboriginal, i know a fair effin lot about their culture and history
they do not go walk about its a racist remark made up by white ppl
they are not nomads, they have reasons why they may go places but it aint walk about
how many effin white pricks go off to places we dont say they go walk about hey
get ur facts straights , i know many greeks who have stuffed off, do we say they go walk about
i know many greeks in jail too, what do we say about that
facts are u have nfi
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Gone walkabout.
How can people just walk away from the world at there feet.
you dont get it do u
and walkabout is a racist term, if u know anything about aboriginal culture and customs, u will know that they do not go walkabout, that was a term made up by white racists
he has gone hone for personal reasons, going home is not "walkabout"
u have to reason they have different values to anglo saxons their family and their land mean so much to them, more than money fame assetts
we dont even know what has happened. for him to go back home it must be important
They did go walk about actually.
usually between Nov to march each year.
Go to cairns and learn abit about culture X.
The highlands are full of them.
Also big issue in the aboriginal society at the presnt time is they have no leader.
dont give me that poo jackstar
u think u know it all but u know jack poo
i am married to an aboriginal, i know a fair effin lot about their culture and history
they do not go walk about its a racist remark made up by white ppl
they are not nomads, they have reasons why they may go places but it aint walk about
how many effin white pricks go off to places we dont say they go walk about hey
get ur facts straights , i know many greeks who have stuffed off, do we say they go walk about
i know many greeks in jail too, what do we say about that
facts are u have nfi
My best advice is - "DONT DROP THE SOAP" ;D
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Common theme here
Ask the Hawks how Ryan Hooper and Carl Peterson are going, Oh thats right, there been delisted ::)
Year before , they couldnt ship Mark Williams out of the club quick enough.
For those in the know, common knowledge all 3 have had issues, if it wasnt for Buddys girlfriend, Buddy would be on the scrapheap
That's a poor reflection on so many fronts Jack. I suppose we can condone Fevola, Carey, Tuck, Didak, Hall, Cousins, Chick, Mainwaring, Milne, Gardiner, Hay, Schwarze, Goodwin, Hurley, Angwin, etc etc etc who all had issues of varying natures because they don't have a "common theme"? Oh, hang on, they do. They're white.
Poor comment Jack.
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Delist immediately.
Goodbye and goodluck pal
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just de list him, all too much trouble,
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Gone walkabout.
How can people just walk away from the world at there feet.
you dont get it do u
and walkabout is a racist term, if u know anything about aboriginal culture and customs, u will know that they do not go walkabout, that was a term made up by white racists
he has gone hone for personal reasons, going home is not "walkabout"
u have to reason they have different values to anglo saxons their family and their land mean so much to them, more than money fame assetts
we dont even know what has happened. for him to go back home it must be important
They did go walk about actually.
usually between Nov to march each year.
Go to cairns and learn abit about culture X.
The highlands are full of them.
Also big issue in the aboriginal society at the presnt time is they have no leader.
dont give me that poo jackstar
u think u know it all but u know jack poo
i am married to an aboriginal, i know a fair effin lot about their culture and history
they do not go walk about its a racist remark made up by white ppl
they are not nomads, they have reasons why they may go places but it aint walk about
how many effin white pricks go off to places we dont say they go walk about hey
get ur facts straights , i know many greeks who have stuffed off, do we say they go walk about
i know many greeks in jail too, what do we say about that
facts are u have nfi
Go to Kuranda in North Queensland, I say no more
yet another waste of a pick for the RFC.... Alroy, Roberts and now Taylor.
3 complete wasted picks
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Pretty embarrassing to be the club with the Indigenous Institute yet not have a single aboriginal player on our list :o
I hope he comes back. Has as much to do with his age and lifstyle before he became a professional athlete as it does with his culture. The writing was ont he wall with this fellow as soon as Roberts decided to head back home. Mitch said as much in an interview he had earlier in the year. We need to attach these players with respectablea nd supportive Aboriginal families in the community. They may not be of the same people or have family connections but these young boys are still very much reliant upon their support networks and do not have the confidence or life skills to deal with such a dramatic move all in one hit. Being linked to an aboriginal family may help give them a tie to the community and club.
My other quiery lies with the club. Were they giving the young kids the support he needed? I bet they gave Quinn special treatment moreson than Taylor. If you have 3 aboriginal players all leave a club in one year then perhaps we need to spend less time blaming the individual and spend more time correcting the cause.
I don't give a rats a$#% what culture a Tiger players originated from. I'm not going to be holding there hands or making lifelong friendships with them but what I do want is the best out of them onfield. If this means focusing on each players individual needs and prioritising what each players really needs to perform at their peak, wether it be on field or off field, the club needs to do it.
The aboriginal boys from remote communities can't be treated the same as the others because they need more help adjusting to general life in our city before they need help developing their game. If this means they will be overlooked in the future on draft day then so be it but unless clubs spend more time focusing on supporting players such as Taylor then any pick, money and time they use on them is a complete waste of time.
Give him space now but the clubs needs to evaluate if he is worth the effort in the long run if these issues can not be properly addressed. :-\
Stripes
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My other quiery lies with the club. Were they giving the young kids the support he needed? I bet they gave Quinn special treatment moreson than Taylor.
Who's Quinn man ? That Essendon dude ?
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Pretty embarrassing to be the club with the Indigenous Institute yet not have a single aboriginal player on our list :o
Edwards and Nason?
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Pretty embarrassing to be the club with the Indigenous Institute yet not have a single aboriginal player on our list :o
Edwards and Nason?
Nason ???
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Gone walkabout.
How can people just walk away from the world at there feet.
you dont get it do u
and walkabout is a racist term, if u know anything about aboriginal culture and customs, u will know that they do not go walkabout, that was a term made up by white racists
he has gone hone for personal reasons, going home is not "walkabout"
u have to reason they have different values to anglo saxons their family and their land mean so much to them, more than money fame assetts
we dont even know what has happened. for him to go back home it must be important
They did go walk about actually.
usually between Nov to march each year.
Go to cairns and learn abit about culture X.
The highlands are full of them.
Also big issue in the aboriginal society at the presnt time is they have no leader.
dont give me that poo jackstar
u think u know it all but u know jack poo
i am married to an aboriginal, i know a fair effin lot about their culture and history
they do not go walk about its a racist remark made up by white ppl
they are not nomads, they have reasons why they may go places but it aint walk about
how many effin white pricks go off to places we dont say they go walk about hey
get ur facts straights , i know many greeks who have stuffed off, do we say they go walk about
i know many greeks in jail too, what do we say about that
facts are u have nfi
My best advice is - "DONT DROP THE SOAP" ;D
never drop the soap lol
and ramps im not having a go at greeks, just making a point , could be italian , coation, whatever
just facts are walkabout does not exist in aboriginal culture
i suggest jackstar take a visit to IKE , indigenous koori education faculty at deaking uni here in geelong and do his research properly
lets see if he walks out alive with his racist bs
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Look here D/head
Why dont you go to place like Kuranda in nth queensland and have an look
They actually do go missing for 3 months in the year in the tableland areas. FACT!
but hey, what would you know, you live in sleepy hollow geelong ::)
Am not being racist at all, just stating facts
In a recent trip to Kuranda, i was appalled
hey X , I have met you remember, pull your head
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Look here
Why dont you go to place like Kuranda in nth queensland and have an look
They actually do go missing for 3 months in the year in the tableland areas. FACT!
but hey, what would you know, you live in sleepy hollow geelong ::)
Am not being racist at all, just stating facts
In a recent trip to Kuranda, i was appalled
hey X , I have met you remember, pull your head
Sorry to weigh in to it....i believe i read or was taught that walkabout syndrome does exist! Its not racist but more an observation that indigenous people do have an urge to roam. It has nothing to with escaping responsibilty but some genetic thing that can be traced to when indigenous tribes were always on the move due to their hunter and gatherer lifestyle. Indigenous tribes never built huts and the like as a result hence why the English settled Australia under the terra nullias law.... or uninhabited land. Buildings were seen as eveidence of habitation!
Edit: fixed quote
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Thanks Go Richo
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My other quiery lies with the club. Were they giving the young kids the support he needed? I bet they gave Quinn special treatment moreson than Taylor.
Who's Quinn man ? That Essendon dude ?
Sorry buddy. I had a mental blank when thinking of our Irish recruit and Quinn came to mind - I meant O'Rielly but of course you knew that didn't you Piperman :P
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Pretty embarrassing to be the club with the Indigenous Institute yet not have a single aboriginal player on our list :o
Edwards and Nason?
Are some of the relatives white or somthing? not fully native?
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Exactly you and Jackstar are right. White man keeps building these homes for them and they use them for firewood. They don't wont them the land is there home. But we assume we know better.
They do go walk about, because there home is so big, they are not restricted by a backyard four walls and a mortgage, and good on them. So we recruit them into mayhem being the biggest city in Australia, a lot wetter and colder and expect them too be role models within minutes. So i ask who has got it all wrong?
They are fantastic footballers Relton and Troy would be fantastic for our club, but our Aboriginal sporting facility aint going to fix this problem, it will help but we need to learn their culture and understand their way of life to keep them here. At the end of the day they just want to play footy.
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Exactly you and Jackstar are right. White man keeps building these homes for them and they use them for firewood. They don't wont them the land is there home. But we assume we know better.
They do go walk about, because there home is so big, they are not restricted by a backyard four walls and a mortgage, and good on them. So we recruit them into mayhem being the biggest city in Australia, a lot wetter and colder and expect them too be role models within minutes. So i ask who has got it all wrong?
They are fantastic footballers Relton and Troy would be fantastic for our club, but our Aboriginal sporting facility aint going to fix this problem, it will help but we need to learn their culture and understand their way of life to keep them here. At the end of the day they just want to play footy.
David Gulpilil is the perfect non- football analogy to this, Wayne! He was built a home as payment for a movie or something similar and he sleeps rough outside it instead! Also, family bonds are much stronger for indigenous people and this is why the urge to go home is very strong! I get the feeling we recruited indigenous players in order to get the grant for our new facilities, cynical of me maybe i know!
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Exactly you and Jackstar are right. White man keeps building these homes for them and they use them for firewood. They don't wont them the land is there home. But we assume we know better.
They do go walk about, because there home is so big, they are not restricted by a backyard four walls and a mortgage, and good on them. So we recruit them into mayhem being the biggest city in Australia, a lot wetter and colder and expect them too be role models within minutes. So i ask who has got it all wrong?
They are fantastic footballers Relton and Troy would be fantastic for our club, but our Aboriginal sporting facility aint going to fix this problem, it will help but we need to learn their culture and understand their way of life to keep them here. At the end of the day they just want to play footy.
David Gulpilil is the perfect non- football analogy to this, Wayne! He was built a home as payment for a movie or something similar and he sleeps rough outside it instead! Also, family bonds are much stronger for indigenous people and this is why the urge to go home is very strong! I get the feeling we recruited indigenous players in order to get the grant for our new facilities, cynical of me maybe i know!
it makes you wonder but if they are going to recruit indigenous players for the sake of a grant for our facilities, then at least recruit indigenous players that all ready live in cities that have chosen to live there. They might actually stick around and stop wasting draft picks.
If they recruit from the bush we need to do the work to help them stick around.
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Wayne,totally agree with your posts :thumbsup
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I totally understand why some of the indigenous boys want to go home
If you took me out of Melbourne put me int the bush and I couldn't see my family and friends for months on end.In addition, if money wasn't that important and the weather was the opposite to what I was used to; YES I would want to go home.
I would like to see us pay ( extra incentives) to have a house mother ( maybe a relative) and have the boys live together (if they want to) and give them extra life coaching support so they at least feel they belong.
Other sides like Melbourne and Essendon don't seem to have issues like us. Its either we are picking the wrong boys or I suspect we are just not doing enough to make sure they are comfortable.
We either decide to embrace the boys or cut them loose because we are just waiting our picks if we continue the way we currently are. I really hope Troy Taylor comes back but we need to work out why and how we can fix it. Possibly a visit by the right people would be a start.
PS: the Indigenous boys from the top end are very different from the Koori's people.
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Gone walkabout.
How can people just walk away from the world at there feet.
you dont get it do u
and walkabout is a racist term, if u know anything about aboriginal culture and customs, u will know that they do not go walkabout, that was a term made up by white racists
he has gone hone for personal reasons, going home is not "walkabout"
u have to reason they have different values to anglo saxons their family and their land mean so much to them, more than money fame assetts
we dont even know what has happened. for him to go back home it must be important
They did go walk about actually.
usually between Nov to march each year.
Go to cairns and learn abit about culture X.
The highlands are full of them.
Also big issue in the aboriginal society at the presnt time is they have no leader.
dont give me that poo jackstar
u think u know it all but u know jack poo
i am married to an aboriginal, i know a fair effin lot about their culture and history
they do not go walk about its a racist remark made up by white ppl
they are not nomads, they have reasons why they may go places but it aint walk about
how many effin white pricks go off to places we dont say they go walk about hey
get ur facts straights , i know many greeks who have stuffed off, do we say they go walk about
i know many greeks in jail too, what do we say about that
facts are u have nfi
My best advice is - "DONT DROP THE SOAP" ;D
never drop the soap lol
and ramps im not having a go at greeks, just making a point , could be italian , coation, whatever
just facts are walkabout does not exist in aboriginal culture
i suggest jackstar take a visit to IKE , indigenous koori education faculty at deaking uni here in geelong and do his research properly
lets see if he walks out alive with his racist bs
Walk a bouts is a short version of Aboriginal discovering self and personal autonomy you can thank year 12 religion for that !!! plain and simple .. he has supposedly gone to discover him self ...something spiritually all indigenous australians have within them selves.. we and myself fully dont understand and never will !
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hey l'm back :thumbsup been walkabout ;D
You found your self? ,, aww good for you !!
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:rollin
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does anyone know the nub of the problem or is just a decent bout of homesickness ???
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hey l'm back :thumbsup been walkabout ;D
Been abit worried about you,
At least your GPS got you out of the wilderness, LOL
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Some of the comments in this thread absolutely disgusting. Troy is a human being FFS. Nobody here is privy to what is actually going in his life at this time so show a little compassion and give the kid a break.
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Some of the comments in this thread absolutely disgusting. Troy is a human being FFS. Nobody here is privy to what is actually going in his life at this time so show a little compassion and give the kid a break.
if your referring to any of my comments ????
You're a big boy, I'm sure you can work it out... ::)
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hey l'm back :thumbsup been walkabout ;D
Been abit worried about you,
At least your GPS got you out of the wilderness, LOL
yes the CLK350 has a very good one ;D even digital TV :thumbsup when the blacks sneak across the road in front of me the headlights follow them haha
have to ask,is the CLK350 on Diesel or petrol ?
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3.5 litre petrol 2009 Avantgarde.
no more football posts for me had a gutful dont know why l bothered
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3.5 litre petrol 2009 Avantgarde.
no more football posts for me had a gutful dont know why l bothered
Dont spit it man. Keep posting
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Richmond to wait on Taylor
Michael Gleeson
November 5, 2010
RICHMOND still expects Troy Taylor to return to the club this pre-season despite the player remaining in Alice Springs and missing the resumption of training while dealing with indigenous cultural issues.
Taylor, who is contracted for next year, remained in the Northern Territory after returning home in the off-season.
A family friend, Tim Lawrence, released a brief statement yesterday to confirm Taylor had taken an extended break from pre-season training due to ''an indigenous cultural issue''.
''Troy hopes to return to Melbourne so he can prepare for the 2011 AFL season and be with his teammates as soon as this is possible,'' Lawrence said.
''We ask that all football followers, in particular the media and the Tiger faithful, give Troy the understanding, respect and space that he needs at this current time.''
Richmond has committed to give the player the time he needs to work through his issues but still wants to have a clear indication that Taylor intended to return before the pre-season draft at the end of the month.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-to-wait-on-taylor-20101104-17ftb.html
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Hell be back the clan will be all over him not to blow it. They need to get his old lady down here.
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Look here
Why dont you go to place like Kuranda in nth queensland and have an look
They actually do go missing for 3 months in the year in the tableland areas. FACT!
but hey, what would you know, you live in sleepy hollow geelong ::)
Am not being racist at all, just stating facts
In a recent trip to Kuranda, i was appalled
hey X , I have met you remember, pull your head
Sorry to weigh in to it....i believe i read or was taught that walkabout syndrome does exist! Its not racist but more an observation that indigenous people do have an urge to roam. It has nothing to with escaping responsibilty but some genetic thing that can be traced to when indigenous tribes were always on the move due to their hunter and gatherer lifestyle. Indigenous tribes never built huts and the like as a result hence why the English settled Australia under the terra nullias law.... or uninhabited land. Buildings were seen as eveidence of habitation!
Edit: fixed quote
written by white man
get ur facts straight
white man for yrs said the stolen generation never existed
they dont go walkabout , they may travel for a reason, dont we all
get ur facts straight
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Look here
Why dont you go to place like Kuranda in nth queensland and have an look
They actually do go missing for 3 months in the year in the tableland areas. FACT!
but hey, what would you know, you live in sleepy hollow geelong ::)
Am not being racist at all, just stating facts
In a recent trip to Kuranda, i was appalled
hey X , I have met you remember, pull your head
wrong
come back to sleepy hollow then, i will take u to ike, u may learn something and some truths
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Look here
Why dont you go to place like Kuranda in nth queensland and have an look
They actually do go missing for 3 months in the year in the tableland areas. FACT!
but hey, what would you know, you live in sleepy hollow geelong ::)
Am not being racist at all, just stating facts
In a recent trip to Kuranda, i was appalled
hey X , I have met you remember, pull your head
Sorry to weigh in to it....i believe i read or was taught that walkabout syndrome does exist! Its not racist but more an observation that indigenous people do have an urge to roam. It has nothing to with escaping responsibilty but some genetic thing that can be traced to when indigenous tribes were always on the move due to their hunter and gatherer lifestyle. Indigenous tribes never built huts and the like as a result hence why the English settled Australia under the terra nullias law.... or uninhabited land. Buildings were seen as eveidence of habitation!
Edit: fixed quote
written by white man
get ur facts straight
white man for yrs said the stolen generation never existed
they dont go walkabout , they may travel for a reason, dont we all
get ur facts straight
X, i believe i have got my facts straight! I have studied and i work with indigenous people! i empathise with indigenous people, are mates with quite a few and in no way criticise them. What i am saying is that it was of utter importance that indigenous people live a nomadic lifestyle so as to follow their food source! That is fact! This nomadic lifestyle is the reason why Europeans thought the country was devoid of human habitants and therfore invaded it! Sorry but it is fact!
Whilst i agree it is risky to draft indigenous kids, it is very important that we continue to do so! There are risks in drafting anyone. It seems that the heirarchy will remain sensitive to Troy's issues and good on them for that!
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I totally understand why some of the indigenous boys want to go home
If you took me out of Melbourne put me int the bush and I couldn't see my family and friends for months on end.In addition, if money wasn't that important and the weather was the opposite to what I was used to; YES I would want to go home.
I would like to see us pay ( extra incentives) to have a house mother ( maybe a relative) and have the boys live together (if they want to) and give them extra life coaching support so they at least feel they belong.
Other sides like Melbourne and Essendon don't seem to have issues like us. Its either we are picking the wrong boys or I suspect we are just not doing enough to make sure they are comfortable.
We either decide to embrace the boys or cut them loose because we are just waiting our picks if we continue the way we currently are. I really hope Troy Taylor comes back but we need to work out why and how we can fix it. Possibly a visit by the right people would be a start.
PS: the Indigenous boys from the top end are very different from the Koori's people.
Great post :clapping
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Idgaf what race u are, this s h it is just not on.
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Some of the comments in this thread absolutely disgusting. Troy is a human being FFS. Nobody here is privy to what is actually going in his life at this time so show a little compassion and give the kid a break.
the kid can get pricked. If he didn't want to play afl why put him self for the draft? L
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Some of the comments in this thread absolutely disgusting. Troy is a human being FFS. Nobody here is privy to what is actually going in his life at this time so show a little compassion and give the kid a break.
the kid can get pricked. If he didn't want to play afl why put him self for the draft? L
Never made a choice and then decided later that its not what you really wanted Bents?
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Idgaf what race u are, this s h it is just not on.
thats the bottom line oxx, unacceptable - just pee him off, there are plenty of kids out there who will bust a nut for the opp
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yes but not with his talent and not with our picks cept our first one. the bottom line is, it would be good to sort it out and talk him around. Life is NOT black and white like you guys are making out, s hit happens and if you don't flex with the wind you will be snapped in half. It's a business after all, and our business is winning. TT has the potential to be a very good player and this may be just a hiccup, lets not write him off or jump on the myopic, racist, stereotyping bandwagon just yet hey? We don't even know what has happened, just some third hand news reports.
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Well said Owl! :clapping :clapping
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yes but not with his talent and not with our picks cept our first one. the bottom line is, it would be good to sort it out and talk him around. Life is NOT black and white like you guys are making out, s hit happens and if you don't flex with the wind you will be snapped in half. It's a business after all, and our business is winning. TT has the potential to be a very good player and this may be just a hiccup, lets not write him off or jump on the myopic, racist, stereotyping bandwagon just yet hey? We don't even know what has happened, just some third hand news reports.
Oh please, lets give the race card flogging a rest....
I'm not basing my persective on racial or bigotted connotations . Its about a kid with a very questionable commitment and attitude. Has already been involved in a very serious incident not long after being in the slammer, now this. I've seen enough, there are plenty of other capable and hungry kids that deserve a go.
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yes but not with his talent and not with our picks cept our first one. the bottom line is, it would be good to sort it out and talk him around. Life is NOT black and white like you guys are making out, s hit happens and if you don't flex with the wind you will be snapped in half. It's a business after all, and our business is winning. TT has the potential to be a very good player and this may be just a hiccup, lets not write him off or jump on the myopic, racist, stereotyping bandwagon just yet hey? We don't even know what has happened, just some third hand news reports.
with the greatest respect thats a load of crap.
I repeat for you losers who cant understand english
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE, COLOUR OR BACKGROUND.
If the bloke doesn't have the desire to play at this level then why stop him let him go and be where he wants with his family or to deal with whatever issues he has
We are not a charity case where we have to chase players. You either want to or you dont and to quote the current premiership coach "if a player comes to me and says my heart is not in it anymore then i will NOT try to force his hand in any way shape or form"
You idiots are the only ones bringing this up as a racial thing. Facts are if it was Connors, Schulz, JON, Mcmahon or any other half eaten battler then the same rule applies.
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Then why was his race brought up over and over again in this thread? Don't make me stuffing quote coz it would be bloody tedious and demeaning for everyone. I am not going to point the finger, there was a bunch of poo said so don't come the innocent at this late stage of the dance its not even funny, well maybe a little in its raw outrageousness...
As for plenty of 'hungry kids' that might be true but my point is that they might not be as talented. I also pointed out that we don't actually know what is going on and everyone is crucifying the poor bastard before the facts are on the table. Lets see how it pans out, if he ditches us, then we can give him heaps. If he comes back and turns into a star im gonna haunt you bastards.
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Very frustrating to read
Dumb comments..
At the end of the day if this was Dustin Martin everyone would be saying give him a rest let him see his family and can't wait to him fresh..
If it were Hislop he'd be delisted
Taylor is in the middle, common sense persist with the raw kid and who knows we may win out.
Anyone that wants him cut is either an idiot or a racist. It's called talent management and RFC are one of the best in the comp with dealing with these sorts of things now days. The club will make the right decision persist and give him every chance.
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Then why was his race brought up over and over again in this thread? Don't make me effing quote coz it would be bloody tedious and demeaning for everyone. I am not going to point the finger, there was a bunch of poo said so don't come the innocent at this late stage of the dance its not even funny, well maybe a little in its raw outrageousness...
As for plenty of 'hungry kids' that might be true but my point is that they might not be as talented. I also pointed out that we don't actually know what is going on and everyone is crucifying the poor bastard before the facts are on the table. Lets see how it pans out, if he ditches us, then we can give him heaps. If he comes back and turns into a star im gonna haunt you bastards.
go back on my posts and you will find i said if it was family reasons or something serious then thats a different ball game right there
However, lets not kid ourselves there are many more Relton, JON, Schulz and Taylor's out there that do what to play for our club so to Troy i say thanks for the memories enjoy yourself with whatever you choose to do.
Waste of selection and waste of time.
Next
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Very frustrating to read
Dumb comments..
At the end of the day if this was Dustin Martin everyone would be saying give him a rest let him see his family and can't wait to him fresh..
If it were Hislop he'd be delisted
Taylor is in the middle, common sense persist with the raw kid and who knows we may win out.
Anyone that wants him cut is either an idiot or a racist. It's called talent management and RFC are one of the best in the comp with dealing with these sorts of things now days. The club will make the right decision persist and give him every chance.
hahaha he is not dustin martin so why compare a lamb to a Tiger ? Racist? yeh if he was white very one wouldnt care thats it ayee :banghead
Treat him LIKE EVERY young footy player that struggels in making final teams thats all dosent matter wether your black or white
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Then why was his race brought up over and over again in this thread? Don't make me effing quote coz it would be bloody tedious and demeaning for everyone. I am not going to point the finger, there was a bunch of poo said so don't come the innocent at this late stage of the dance its not even funny, well maybe a little in its raw outrageousness...
As for plenty of 'hungry kids' that might be true but my point is that they might not be as talented. I also pointed out that we don't actually know what is going on and everyone is crucifying the poor bastard before the facts are on the table. Lets see how it pans out, if he ditches us, then we can give him heaps. If he comes back and turns into a star im gonna haunt you bastards.
Here you go Owl:
"Sick and tired of the moaning and soul searching about what we can do to make him(& other indigenous players) more welcome."
"from what I have seen at AFL level, it is way too hard for most of these players who come from different backrounds."
"so he can go go back Alice springs and live of Center link rather than being apart of a massive AFL club that will win a premishpe making him alot of money"
"They find it hard in a team enviroment"
"Common theme here"
"but why do we draft outback indigenous players NT or Alice 30 odd Deg heat, and expects them too fit right at home in the biggest city in Australia"
"Gone walkabout."
"i don't think they would receive the same treatment as an aboriginal player"
"The aboriginal boys from remote communities can't be treated the same as the others"
"So we recruit them into mayhem being the biggest city in Australia, a lot wetter and colder and expect them too be role models within minutes. So i ask who has got it all wrong?"
"I get the feeling we recruited indigenous players in order to get the grant for our new facilities, cynical of me maybe i know!"
"then at least recruit indigenous players that all ready live in cities that have chosen to live there."
"I totally understand why some of the indigenous boys want to go home"
"Whilst i agree it is risky to draft indigenous kids, it is very important that we continue to do so!"
Snippets from both sides of the argument. Nah, this thread has nothing to do with race, colour or background.
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Then why was his race brought up over and over again in this thread? Don't make me effing quote coz it would be bloody tedious and demeaning for everyone. I am not going to point the finger, there was a bunch of poo said so don't come the innocent at this late stage of the dance its not even funny, well maybe a little in its raw outrageousness...
As for plenty of 'hungry kids' that might be true but my point is that they might not be as talented. I also pointed out that we don't actually know what is going on and everyone is crucifying the poor bastard before the facts are on the table. Lets see how it pans out, if he ditches us, then we can give him heaps. If he comes back and turns into a star im gonna haunt you bastards.
Here you go Owl:
"Sick and tired of the moaning and soul searching about what we can do to make him(& other indigenous players) more welcome."
"from what I have seen at AFL level, it is way too hard for most of these players who come from different backrounds."
"so he can go go back Alice springs and live of Center link rather than being apart of a massive AFL club that will win a premishpe making him alot of money"
"They find it hard in a team enviroment"
"Common theme here"
"but why do we draft outback indigenous players NT or Alice 30 odd Deg heat, and expects them too fit right at home in the biggest city in Australia"
"Gone walkabout."
"i don't think they would receive the same treatment as an aboriginal player"
"The aboriginal boys from remote communities can't be treated the same as the others"
"So we recruit them into mayhem being the biggest city in Australia, a lot wetter and colder and expect them too be role models within minutes. So i ask who has got it all wrong?"
"I get the feeling we recruited indigenous players in order to get the grant for our new facilities, cynical of me maybe i know!"
"then at least recruit indigenous players that all ready live in cities that have chosen to live there."
"I totally understand why some of the indigenous boys want to go home"
"Whilst i agree it is risky to draft indigenous kids, it is very important that we continue to do so!"
Snippets from both sides of the argument. Nah, this thread has nothing to do with race, colour or background.
Unfortunately Smokey, race will be involved! If the kid was italian would it get the same coverage? No! On the other hand, if Relton, JON and Blingers were stars would it get the same coverage? No!
Lets wait and see, the kid may return and i hope he does!
I went overseas for six months and the first 2 and a half months were without the family! It was a trip of a life time to Sweden but after two weeks i wanted to go home so badly that if someone bought me a plane ticket then i wouldve been on the next plane! I am not Aboriginal! I empathise with the kid, family means more than stardom!
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Then why was his race brought up over and over again in this thread? Don't make me effing quote coz it would be bloody tedious and demeaning for everyone. I am not going to point the finger, there was a bunch of poo said so don't come the innocent at this late stage of the dance its not even funny, well maybe a little in its raw outrageousness...
As for plenty of 'hungry kids' that might be true but my point is that they might not be as talented. I also pointed out that we don't actually know what is going on and everyone is crucifying the poor bastard before the facts are on the table. Lets see how it pans out, if he ditches us, then we can give him heaps. If he comes back and turns into a star im gonna haunt you bastards.
Here you go Owl:
"Sick and tired of the moaning and soul searching about what we can do to make him(& other indigenous players) more welcome."
"from what I have seen at AFL level, it is way too hard for most of these players who come from different backrounds."
"so he can go go back Alice springs and live of Center link rather than being apart of a massive AFL club that will win a premishpe making him alot of money"
"They find it hard in a team enviroment"
"Common theme here"
"but why do we draft outback indigenous players NT or Alice 30 odd Deg heat, and expects them too fit right at home in the biggest city in Australia"
"Gone walkabout."
"i don't think they would receive the same treatment as an aboriginal player"
"The aboriginal boys from remote communities can't be treated the same as the others"
"So we recruit them into mayhem being the biggest city in Australia, a lot wetter and colder and expect them too be role models within minutes. So i ask who has got it all wrong?"
"I get the feeling we recruited indigenous players in order to get the grant for our new facilities, cynical of me maybe i know!"
"then at least recruit indigenous players that all ready live in cities that have chosen to live there."
"I totally understand why some of the indigenous boys want to go home"
"Whilst i agree it is risky to draft indigenous kids, it is very important that we continue to do so!"
Snippets from both sides of the argument. Nah, this thread has nothing to do with race, colour or background.
got nothing to do with racism if you ask me and shouldnt.
Gee if you think its being racist then lets look through all of the Schulz, Mcmahon, Patterson or JON threads and then everyone here is guilty of racism.
Bottom line he wants to play or doesnt. WE SHOULD NOT BE CHASING ANYONE TO PLAY I COULDNT CARE LESS WHERE THEY FROM.
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Very frustrating to read
Dumb comments..
At the end of the day if this was Dustin Martin everyone would be saying give him a rest let him see his family and can't wait to him fresh..
If it were Hislop he'd be delisted
Taylor is in the middle, common sense persist with the raw kid and who knows we may win out.
Anyone that wants him cut is either an idiot or a racist. It's called talent management and RFC are one of the best in the comp with dealing with these sorts of things now days. The club will make the right decision persist and give him every chance.
hahaha he is not dustin martin so why compare a lamb to a Tiger ? Racist? yeh if he was white very one wouldnt care thats it ayee :banghead
Treat him LIKE EVERY young footy player that struggels in making final teams thats all dosent matter wether your black or white
Exactly treat him like every young player that has potential, give him a chance to settle into AFL. He has enough potential to give hima bit of slack. Delisting him cause he's home sick is stupid. Not every player has to be Trent Cotchin off field.
Rubbish thread.
Let him go and come back with a positive mind and we're a chance of reaping the benefits, delisting him is just a waste of everyones time.
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I have a point here, who said he has talent
Hardly seen him perform to a level that is acceptable at AFL.
And his last game of the year he made basic mistakes.
:banghead
he wouldnt be in our best 22 , lets all move on and hopefully he will as well.
he can play alongside Relton Roberts
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Just a shame both hardwicks forward pockets in Roberts and Taylor have gone back home
Some of the comments in this thread absolutely disgusting. Troy is a human being FFS. Nobody here is privy to what is actually going in his life at this time so show a little compassion and give the kid a break.
:santa
the kid can get pricked. If he didn't want to play afl why put him self for the draft? L
Never made a choice and then decided later that its not what you really wanted Bents?
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I must say I lost interest in the thread topic ages ago, I am just enjoying reading this thread now because you guys are funny
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I have a point here, who said he has talent
Hardly seen him perform to a level that is acceptable at AFL.
And his last game of the year he made basic mistakes.
:banghead
he wouldnt be in our best 22 , lets all move on and hopefully he will as well.
he can play alongside Relton Roberts
the same people who say he has talent are the same people i'm guessing who still thought Schulz had talent even after 6 years, cause he kicked 6 goals against Brisbane.
Better value in our best 22 than this bloke
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Raines is a talent
Voss has a good eye for talent
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Raines is a talent
Voss has a good eye for talent
I just spat out my beer. :lol :lol :lol
What is important here is whether the club feels Taylor is worth persevering with or not in terms of talent and upside.
I personally think he is. Has more raw talent than just about anyone on our list IMO. Best indigenous draftee for 20 years.
Get over your dramas and get out there and play footy TT. 8)
The Tiges need your skills and the doubters will soon be screaming your name when you turn it on..
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Raines is a talent
Voss has a good eye for talent
What this got to do with the topic ??? ::)
Your boring to say the least
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the same people who say he has talent are the same people i'm guessing who still thought Schulz had talent even after 6 years, cause he kicked 6 goals against Brisbane.
Schulz was a revelation at Port after Tredrea retired. He is not done with yet.
Meanwhile we are drafting Brad Miller.
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the same people who say he has talent are the same people i'm guessing who still thought Schulz had talent even after 6 years, cause he kicked 6 goals against Brisbane.
Schulz was a revelation at Port after Tredrea retired. He is not done with yet.
Meanwhile we are drafting Brad Miller.
and wasting a pick on Hislop while we're at it ;D
Could be worse. Imagine if we drafted Laycock to boost our ruck stocks :whistle
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I have a point here, who said he has talent
Hardly seen him perform to a level that is acceptable at AFL.
And his last game of the year he made basic mistakes.
:banghead
he wouldnt be in our best 22 , lets all move on and hopefully he will as well.
he can play alongside Relton Roberts
This is very stupid.
He's 19 years old Jack.
Expectations here are embarrasing, give him the pre season to make a decision whether he wants it or not. To sack him would be insane.
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and wasting a pick on Hislop while we're at it ;D
Don't get me started on that.
Ok you have... :rollin
WTF are they thinking re-rookeying the biggest dud since Tim Fleming?!?!
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I have a point here, who said he has talent
Hardly seen him perform to a level that is acceptable at AFL.
And his last game of the year he made basic mistakes.
:banghead
he wouldnt be in our best 22 , lets all move on and hopefully he will as well.
he can play alongside Relton Roberts
the same people who say he has talent are the same people i'm guessing who still thought Schulz had talent even after 6 years, cause he kicked 6 goals against Brisbane.
Better value in our best 22 than this bloke
Good Post
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I have a point here, who said he has talent
Hardly seen him perform to a level that is acceptable at AFL.
And his last game of the year he made basic mistakes.
:banghead
he wouldnt be in our best 22 , lets all move on and hopefully he will as well.
he can play alongside Relton Roberts
the same people who say he has talent are the same people i'm guessing who still thought Schulz had talent even after 6 years, cause he kicked 6 goals against Brisbane.
Better value in our best 22 than this bloke
Good Post
You don't think Taylor has any talent worth persevering with Pope?
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I certainly dont.
His last game against Port just showed that he is a long way off the mark. (missed easy shots thats Auskick kids would kick )
Guys like O;Reilly and Griffiths etc have a future at Punt Road.
not some show pony who wear lime boots at his first game.
You would think some posters like to see the tiges on the bottom, I DONT
As a club we need to be RUTHLESS!
Keep turning the list over.
I will tell you all something, BREAKOUT YEAR 2011. J. POST !
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Unfortunately Smokey, race will be involved! If the kid was italian would it get the same coverage? No! On the other hand, if Relton, JON and Blingers were stars would it get the same coverage? No!
Lets wait and see, the kid may return and i hope he does!
I went overseas for six months and the first 2 and a half months were without the family! It was a trip of a life time to Sweden but after two weeks i wanted to go home so badly that if someone bought me a plane ticket then i wouldve been on the next plane! I am not Aboriginal! I empathise with the kid, family means more than stardom!
Race is only involved because we chose to make it involved GR12 and that is the whole crux of the issue. All that has been reported about Troy Taylor is that he has some "personal cultural issues" that he is trying to sort out. We know that Relton Roberts couldn't deal with the demands of life as a professional sportsman living thousands of kms from his partner and child. We know that Rhan Hooper has lifestyle issues that conflict with life as a professional footballer. We know that Richard Tambling has confidence issues that stemmed from the way the draft panned out in his year. We know that Lance Franklin is reported to have lifestyle issues that have potentially sailed him very close to the wind of personal career disaster. We know that Michael O'Loughlin was a very successful premiership player and Life Member of the Swans, and is now a hard working ambassador for players from an indigenous background. We know that Andrew McLeod was a champion premiership player and Norm Smith medallist with Adelaide. We know that Andrew Krakouer ruined his career by committing a serious crime of assault. We know that Andrew Lovett has ruined his career by being charged with the very serious crime of rape. We know that Darryl White was a very successful premiership winning player with Brisbane. We know that David Wirrpanda was a very successful premiership winning player with West Coast and has now established a foundation in his name to assist indigenous youth. Not one of these players has succeeded or failed because of circumstances unique to race - they have all made their mark as a success or failure by common human traits. No GR12, it is not about race until we (the football public) choose to make it so.
Every single kid that puts himself up for the draft has his own unique set of personal circumstances that will require varying levels of understanding and management from the club that drafts him. The club that does a good job of that has the best chance of extracting the maximum potential from it's draftee and the club that pays lip service to it will most likely see it's draftee fail and/or walk. Dare I say that if West Coast had been more focused and pro-active in developing their draftees then Ben Cousins and Michael Gardiner might well have been lifelong and multiple premiership players of their club. That club was derelict in it's duty of managing and developing all aspects of it's young draftees and paid the price ultimately. And yet, this same club was able to produce such a fine person as David Wirrpanda. Interestingly, he is related to Robert Muir, Andrew Lovett, Sean Charles and Pastor Sir Doug Nicholls - such a diverse range of successes and failures in the football scene and life in general. I think all this points to the fact that race has nothing to do with it and that human characteristic has everything. I haven't heard anyone blame Bachar Houli's religious and ethnic background for his failure to cement his future but I have heard how Dustin Martin's Maori heritage and 'hard' upbringing has been responsible for his singular and determined mindset. Yet it becomes so quick and easy for us public to trot out "aboriginal" as the single reason for blame when discussing failure in our indigenous draftees. It has nothing to do with race, colour or background and should not be mentioned or considered when discussing if a player is worth drafting, keeping or trading. The day we stop looking at the colour of our skin and start looking at the human inside then we may finally get it. And the club that starts to do that will be rewarded with a fine group of young players.
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I certainly dont.
His last game against Port just showed that he is a long way off the mark. (missed easy shots thats Auskick kids would kick )
Lewis Jetta?
Guys like O;Reilly and Griffiths etc have a future at Punt Road.
not some show pony who wear lime boots at his first game.
Michael Hurley?
Don't let ingrained prejudices blind you Jack. Taylor may or may not make it but the end of his first season that was severely hampered by injury and preceding personal circumstances is not the time to make that call.
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I have a point here, who said he has talent
Hardly seen him perform to a level that is acceptable at AFL.
And his last game of the year he made basic mistakes.
:banghead
he wouldnt be in our best 22 , lets all move on and hopefully he will as well.
he can play alongside Relton Roberts
This is very stupid.
He's 19 years old Jack.
Expectations here are embarrasing, give him the pre season to make a decision whether he wants it or not. To sack him would be insane.
precisely, would have been the same boofheads that wrote off Phar lap after being unplaced in first few starts :lol
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I certainly dont.
His last game against Port just showed that he is a long way off the mark. (missed easy shots thats Auskick kids would kick )
Guys like O;Reilly and Griffiths etc have a future at Punt Road.
not some show pony who wear lime boots at his first game.
You would think some posters like to see the tiges on the bottom, I DONT
As a club we need to be RUTHLESS!
Keep turning the list over.
I will tell you all something, BREAKOUT YEAR 2011. J. POST !
correct. good post
Ruthless we need to be like Malthouse and his charges.
e.g Jimmy Clement. "Hey mick i dont think i can go on next year i have family issues i need to deal with"
off you go thanks for the good times good luck.
We dont need to be chasing anyone. Either they are committed to the cause 100% or they are not. Simple.
I dont care for half hearted average players like Taylor who besides what most on here are suggesting hasn't proved much at all this year aside from his colour cordination. Next he will be doing a Leon Davis or Alan Didak and pointing to the crowd if he scores a major again.
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Unfortunately Smokey, race will be involved! If the kid was italian would it get the same coverage? No! On the other hand, if Relton, JON and Blingers were stars would it get the same coverage? No!
Lets wait and see, the kid may return and i hope he does!
I went overseas for six months and the first 2 and a half months were without the family! It was a trip of a life time to Sweden but after two weeks i wanted to go home so badly that if someone bought me a plane ticket then i wouldve been on the next plane! I am not Aboriginal! I empathise with the kid, family means more than stardom!
Race is only involved because we chose to make it involved GR12 and that is the whole crux of the issue. All that has been reported about Troy Taylor is that he has some "personal cultural issues" that he is trying to sort out. We know that Relton Roberts couldn't deal with the demands of life as a professional sportsman living thousands of kms from his partner and child. We know that Rhan Hooper has lifestyle issues that conflict with life as a professional footballer. We know that Richard Tambling has confidence issues that stemmed from the way the draft panned out in his year. We know that Lance Franklin is reported to have lifestyle issues that have potentially sailed him very close to the wind of personal career disaster. We know that Michael O'Loughlin was a very successful premiership player and Life Member of the Swans, and is now a hard working ambassador for players from an indigenous background. We know that Andrew McLeod was a champion premiership player and Norm Smith medallist with Adelaide. We know that Andrew Krakouer ruined his career by committing a serious crime of assault. We know that Andrew Lovett has ruined his career by being charged with the very serious crime of rape. We know that Darryl White was a very successful premiership winning player with Brisbane. We know that David Wirrpanda was a very successful premiership winning player with West Coast and has now established a foundation in his name to assist indigenous youth. Not one of these players has succeeded or failed because of circumstances unique to race - they have all made their mark as a success or failure by common human traits. No GR12, it is not about race until we (the football public) choose to make it so.
Every single kid that puts himself up for the draft has his own unique set of personal circumstances that will require varying levels of understanding and management from the club that drafts him. The club that does a good job of that has the best chance of extracting the maximum potential from it's draftee and the club that pays lip service to it will most likely see it's draftee fail and/or walk. Dare I say that if West Coast had been more focused and pro-active in developing their draftees then Ben Cousins and Michael Gardiner might well have been lifelong and multiple premiership players of their club. That club was derelict in it's duty of managing and developing all aspects of it's young draftees and paid the price ultimately. And yet, this same club was able to produce such a fine person as David Wirrpanda. Interestingly, he is related to Robert Muir, Andrew Lovett, Sean Charles and Pastor Sir Doug Nicholls - such a diverse range of successes and failures in the football scene and life in general. I think all this points to the fact that race has nothing to do with it and that human characteristic has everything. I haven't heard anyone blame Bachar Houli's religious and ethnic background for his failure to cement his future but I have heard how Dustin Martin's Maori heritage and 'hard' upbringing has been responsible for his singular and determined mindset. Yet it becomes so quick and easy for us public to trot out "aboriginal" as the single reason for blame when discussing failure in our indigenous draftees. It has nothing to do with race, colour or background and should not be mentioned or considered when discussing if a player is worth drafting, keeping or trading. The day we stop looking at the colour of our skin and start looking at the human inside then we may finally get it. And the club that starts to do that will be rewarded with a fine group of young players.
Smokey, you are preaching to the converted! Thats why i put in my own experience of home sickness and the italian kid analogy! I just didn t say it as loudly as you!
If Lids wanted some personel time off we all would be saying,'give him space, let him sort it out etc.! As TT is Koori we take the view that he is not committed and will be a liabilty! Well Schultz was a liabilty for years that cost us a lot of money!
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Smokey, you are preaching to the converted! Thats why i put in my own experience of home sickness and the italian kid analogy! I just didn t say it as loudly as you!
If Lids wanted some personel time off we all would be saying,'give him space, let him sort it out etc.! As TT is Koori we take the view that he is not committed and will be a liabilty! Well Schultz was a liabilty for years that cost us a lot of money!
Yep, knew I was GR12, just needed to reply to your comments to make my point. We do ourselves a great disservice in community as a whole by looking at the skin and not through it. :thumbsup
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We do ourselves a great disservice in community as a whole by looking at the skin and not through it. :thumbsup
Spot on = FANTASTIC statement
:clapping :clapping
Thank you smokey; exactly what I think but didn't know how to put it in words without writing novel to try and make the point :)
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whats funny is this
The good clubs just cut them, eg hawthorn , Collingwood etc
we give them 2nd and 3rd chances.
Would of axed Connors as well
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For X. Don't get hung up on terminologies, mate. Walkabout is not a racist word. Aborigines use the word themselves. Here's the Macquarie dictionary meaning, they usually say it's racist terminology if it is. Sally Morgan, an Aboriginal, gives an example :P
walkabout
// (say 'wawkuhbowt)
noun 1. a period of wandering as a nomad, often as undertaken by Aboriginal people who feel the need to leave the place where they are in contact with white society, and return for spiritual replenishment to their traditional way of life: *In some regions, as in the Kimberleys, the off-season in the yearly routine of station work could be so adjusted as to fit in with the need to visit the sacred places, perform the initiation ceremonies, and the like – the `walkabout'. –c.d. rowley, 1970.
2.
a. a short walk or inspection, often to see what is going on: I'll just take a walkabout and see what I can find.
b. a short walk undertaken by a public celebrity in a crowded place to meet the people informally: a royal walkabout.
3. Colloquial an itinerant swagman or traveller.
4. → walkabout disease.
–phrase 5. go walkabout,
a. to wander around the country in a nomadic manner: *After my people had worked for so long on the station, they were allowed to go walkabout. –sally morgan, 1987.
b. to be misplaced or lost.
c. Colloquial to go on a holiday.
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Agree with every sentiment smokey. Plenty of talented white kids haven't handled the pressures of AFL.
Alex Gilmour wasn't black.
Heck, if Dan Connors hadn't copped a black eye who knows...
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Maurice Rioli was Aboriginal, we embraced him, we LOVED him!
Why, because he was a champion player and a great guy
Not every Aboriginal player is going to be as great as him football wise, but you have to wonder what is it in a person who can love Maurice, but have racist feelings for dud ones!
I don't understand people like that, don't want to understand, but if people treated everyone that was different like people have embraced Maurice, the world would be a better place.
Never happen though!
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I will tell you all something, BREAKOUT YEAR 2011. J. POST !
From all reports Post seems lazy at training so far.
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I will tell you all something, BREAKOUT YEAR 2011. J. POST !
From all reports Post seems lazy at training so far.
they have only been back for 8 days, oh dear, how deluded are some people
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whats funny is this
The good clubs just cut them, eg hawthorn , Collingwood etc
we give them 2nd and 3rd chances.
Would of axed Connors as well
Bullsh!t of the highest order!
Wasn't the reason we overlooked Franklin because of his personal issues? Who took him?
What about Chad Morrison, heath Shaw, Didack, Ben Johnston and Chris Tarrant, Wellingham?
Travis tuck from Hawthorn is another that comes to mind, plus the unnamed players from Hawthorn with recreational drug issues? Just got rid of them, or a court injunction to prevent them from being named?
Your reactionary, ill informed, generalisations are bad enough without resorting to utter crap in an attempt to justify yourself.
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Maurice Rioli was Aboriginal, we embraced him, we LOVED him!
Why, because he was a champion player and a great guy
Not every Aboriginal player is going to be as great as him football wise, but you have to wonder what is it in a person who can love Maurice, but have racist feelings for dud ones!
I don't understand people like that, don't want to understand, but if people treated everyone that was different like people have embraced Maurice, the world would be a better place.
Never happen though!
We go Ireland and look for recruits, eg. Marty Clarke, and bang! off home he goes! Apparantly homesickness was an issue, not a lack of committment to the AFL brand!
The Indigenous people of this nation are an almost infinite source of talent and skill, lets keep exploring that and get the structures within clubs for these kids that they need! Not just rooming with Mitch Morton either!
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We know there is a long history of Aboriginal players wanting to go home yet we keep on recruiting them in the hope that one in five of them will stay the distance.
I've gotta say that if I was in their shoes, I might feel the same
It's a big ask to drag shy kids (most of them) away from their folks and everything they know, to go back to where they can play footy for fun, be with people who don't look at them as though they have two heads, and away from "cold" Melbourne.
Is money a motivator for them to play in the big league? I doubt it. They earn their hundred grand or more by playing a couple of years and they're happy, but home beckons. Weigh up a more than likely "lonely" existence in Melbourne after a couple of years versus "home", I'd be off too if I was them.
It's the clubs' fault for picking them
I would love to see a Northern Territory team full of them - that would be my second club. They are wonderful footballers and the AFL should sponsor a club up there - and Tassie for that matter - before they go for any more clubs in states where they couldn't care less!
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I will tell you all something, BREAKOUT YEAR 2011. J. POST !
From all reports Post seems lazy at training so far.
they have only been back for 8 days, oh dear, how deluded are some people
If he's only been back for 8 days then he shouldn't be fatigued.
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I will tell you all something, BREAKOUT YEAR 2011. J. POST !
From all reports Post seems lazy at training so far.
they have only been back for 8 days, oh dear, how deluded are some people
If he's only been back for 8 days then he shouldn't be fatigued.
is he fatigued cos he didnt do much fitness work in the off season and it has caught up with him back at training?
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Pretty embarrassing to be the club with the Indigenous Institute yet not have a single aboriginal player on our list :o
Edwards and Nason?
Good to see you make an appearance on the best Richmond forum on the net, Gracie. Should stop by more often
Hows Beige treating you? Looks like a ghost town to me these days ;D
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whats funny is this
The good clubs just cut them, eg hawthorn , Collingwood etc
we give them 2nd and 3rd chances.
Would of axed Connors as well
That's crap they gave Peterson another chance after we already gave him a couple
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I certainly dont.
His last game against Port just showed that he is a long way off the mark. (missed easy shots thats Auskick kids would kick )
Guys like O;Reilly and Griffiths etc have a future at Punt Road.
not some show pony who wear lime boots at his first game.
You would think some posters like to see the tiges on the bottom, I DONT
As a club we need to be RUTHLESS!
Keep turning the list over.
I will tell you all something, BREAKOUT YEAR 2011. J. POST !
Blind Freddy could see tt has talent, quiet simply he is a raw football talent. The issue is whether his potential can be developed due to the issues he has with the desire and commitment to play at the top level.
No wonder you got the rs from recruiting.
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wasnt recruiting dick brain
taylor is unproven, what has he done
He is NIL defensive skills
And is a POOR kick, dont you go to the games, eg Last round against Port
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we have wasted 3 picks in recent times.
Alroy Gilligan, Relton Roberts and now Troy Taylor, move on shell we
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I certainly dont.
His last game against Port just showed that he is a long way off the mark. (missed easy shots thats Auskick kids would kick )
Guys like O;Reilly and Griffiths etc have a future at Punt Road.
not some show pony who wear lime boots at his first game.
You would think some posters like to see the tiges on the bottom, I DONT
As a club we need to be RUTHLESS!
Keep turning the list over.
I will tell you all something, BREAKOUT YEAR 2011. J. POST !
Blind Freddy could see tt has talent, quiet simply he is a raw football talent. The issue is whether his potential can be developed due to the issues he has with the desire and commitment to play at the top level.
No wonder you got the rs from recruiting.
Might further add there is a reason we havent been successfull for a long period of time.
POOR RECRUITING, and here is a perfect example
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Might further add there is a reason we havent been successfull for a long period of time.
POOR RECRUITING, and here is a perfect example
So it has nothing to do with Wallace's coaching? Or our ability to physically and mentally develop our players? Or our lack of funds to fill our rookie spots? Or our over-rated and under achieving list? Or our lack of funds to supply modern and professional training facilities?
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wasnt recruiting dick braintaylor is unproven, what has he done
He is NIL defensive skills
And is a POOR kick, dont you go to the games, eg Last round against Port
Cutting the oranges up at quarter time?
:lol
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major problem, we have recruited poorly, that i would of thought is obvious.
Have a look at the crap players we have had ,and KEPT !
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wasnt recruiting dick braintaylor is unproven, what has he done
He is NIL defensive skills
And is a POOR kick, dont you go to the games, eg Last round against Port
Cutting the oranges up at quarter time?
:lol
Oranges went out 30 years ago ::)
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wasnt recruiting dick braintaylor is unproven, what has he done
He is NIL defensive skills
And is a POOR kick, dont you go to the games, eg Last round against Port
Cutting the oranges up at quarter time?
:lol
Oranges went out 30 years ago ::)
Cantaloupes or maybe watermelon?
:rollin
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wasnt recruiting dick braintaylor is unproven, what has he done
He is NIL defensive skills
And is a POOR kick, dont you go to the games, eg Last round against Port
Cutting the oranges up at quarter time?
:lol
Oranges went out 30 years ago ::)
I distinctly remember eating them 10 years ago in under 11s
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Jack if you think recruiting Troy Taylor at Pick 51 is poor recruiting you'd take the cake for the biggest goose on the forum, your not worthy of this award so don't stray down that path.
Recruiting TT at 51 was an absolutely bargain. A risk worth taking and if a negative result eventuates I'll be happy to have support the club that took the punt on TT.
TT without off field issues would have been picked up in the Top 10, maybe Top 5 last year absolute certainty.
The kid has talent and needs to be managed, so what? Soft clubs would delist him and say he's not worth the hassle.
Dogs kept Aker after 10 chances, Carlton kept Fev after a million chances, Lions have kept Fev after 2 stuff ups in 1 year, Freo have kept M.Johnson after his drug incident as have Geelong with Stokes. Essendon kept Dean Rioli after he returned home for an extended stay. Adelaide kept Bock after he belted his Mrs.
Players across the league in all teams make mistakes and stuff up yet stay on lists.
We have a potentially a extremely talented 19 year old, that is home sick.
All you extremists, pull your heads in.
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has no defensive skills and isnt a good kick.
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has no defensive skills and isnt a good kick.
He turned 19 a month ago Jack, give him the chance to improve, unfortunately he may let us down on the way but if we persist we may have a very handy player on our hands.
For mine cop the short term disappointments on the chin for long term profit.
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cant carry passengers i am afraid
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cant carry passengers i am afraid
im amazed u r not an afl coach ::)
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cant carry passengers i am afraid
im amazed u r not an afl coach ::)
I should be, am back in the system in 2011 :thumbsup
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cant carry passengers i am afraid
im amazed u r not an afl coach ::)
And you should be working at Coles :thumbsup
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;D
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:o ;D
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He's been spending time with the neesh ,I was told.
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He's been spending time with the neesh ,I was told.
Yep Ox, Greg Denham said the same thing on KB's show last Friday morning.
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the who the what now, Taylor is hangin out with Neesh?
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are we talking about Gerard Neesham here?
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are we talking about Gerard Neesham here?
Yes!
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Okay, I'll ask the dumb question
Why would he be with Neesham?
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Thanks FNM, was about to ask the same thing myself. What's the news or relevance of him being with Neesham?
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neesham looks after a prorgam for Aborginal footballers
He mentored Krak in his early years
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Thanks Jack. Are there any stories around the traps about how successful or otherwise his program is?
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Have a look under Clontaff Foundation for Aborginal kids
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Good stuff. Seems like it is an organization that has as much chance as any of resonating with Troy and helping him sort out life's issues and priorities. His first priority is to recognize and aim for what's best for himself.
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neesham looks after a prorgam for Aborginal footballers
He mentored Krak in his early years
that went well didn't it
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I hope he stays at the club. He is a good mark and he has some flair about him
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neesham looks after a prorgam for Aborginal footballers
He mentored Krak in his early years
correct.
Apparently TT has come up all the better for this last trip.
Didnt hear KB on SEn - any audio of it?
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cant carry passengers i am afraid
im amazed u r not an afl coach ::)
And you should be working at Coles :thumbsup
not there anymore
that was just a holiday, back into my property development again
;)
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neesham looks after a prorgam for Aborginal footballers
He mentored Krak in his early years
that went well didn't it
Yeah but Krak was a quiet bloke who didn't put a foot wrong apart from going berko on that bloke who picked a blue with him. He just shoulda eased up on the maiming bit.
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neesham looks after a prorgam for Aborginal footballers
He mentored Krak in his early years
that went well didn't it
Yeah but Krak was a quiet bloke who didn't put a foot wrong apart from going berko on that bloke who picked a blue with him. He just shoulda eased up on the maiming bit.
that guy copped what he deserved, his family and kraks family had a history and he picked on krak one too many times
basically the bully got bashed
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POS like that isn't worth going to jail for though. Put the him on his arse and leave it at that imo. Once you start monkey stompin some limp prick on the deck, your doing bird.
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POS like that isn't worth going to jail for though. Put the him on his behind and leave it at that imo. Once you start monkey stompin some limp prick on the deck, your doing bird.
revenge anger rage adrenaline all mixed in together can make you do some crazy nasty stuff
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I dont think anybody should be defending what Krak did to that bloke.
I dont care what what history they had.
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I dont think anybody should be defending what Krak did to that bloke.
I dont care what what history they had.
one day u will understand, but then again u probably wont
lets say if anybody hurts me or any of my family , i would do alot worse than what krak did and i would not think twice about it
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I dont think anybody should be defending what Krak did to that bloke.
I dont care what what history they had.
one day u will understand, but then again u probably wont
Will I, or wont I?
lets say if anybody hurts me or any of my family , i would do alot worse than what krak did and i would not think twice about it
righto, Rambo. :weights :thumbsup
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I dont think anybody should be defending what Krak did to that bloke.
I dont care what what history they had.
one day u will understand, but then again u probably wont
Will I, or wont I?
lets say if anybody hurts me or any of my family , i would do alot worse than what krak did and i would not think twice about it
righto, Rambo. :weights :thumbsup
lol
working beautifully Willy B ;D
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I get a rager when I read Willys posts. ;D
Love you babe.
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I dont think anybody should be defending what Krak did to that bloke.
I dont care what what history they had.
one day u will understand, but then again u probably wont
Will I, or wont I?
lets say if anybody hurts me or any of my family , i would do alot worse than what krak did and i would not think twice about it
righto, Rambo. :weights :thumbsup
dont forget it
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rambo ::)
Oh dear
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I get a rager when I read Willys posts. ;D
Love you babe.
:cuddles :o
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I get a rager when I read Willys posts. ;D
Love you babe.
:cuddles :o
:thumbsup
:outtahere
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by the way Davey, what the eff is goin on in your display pic?
is that you at home watching the tiges?
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by the way Davey, what the eff is goin on in your display pic?
is that you at home watching the tiges?
Nearly...
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Pretty stupid X.
Do it by the book and stay on the right side of the vertical bars.
If everyone had your view we'd have 6 billions terrorist walking the earth, thank fully most people have their screws tightened properly.
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oh my!
tehehehe.
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I get a rager when I read Willys posts. ;D
Love you babe.
:cuddles :o
if you love someone set them free willy free free set them free willy
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I'm with X. If someone hurt any of my neices, missus, mother, Ill cut their stuffin heads off. If they hurt males in the family, depends on how stupid it was. Fair fight, then they gotta wear it. Take your lumps. If it was fairdinkum silly poo, then we start gettin tooled up and vengeful. Blow torch and pliers time. PAPPY! we need another 44 gallon drum!
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It's fantastic to know that some people are still bothered by old JT. ;)
Fair enough Owl. You are a crazy bastard :thumbsup
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What is the last date he can be delisted so that we can replace him with another pick in the draft?
Wednesday November 10, 2pm - List lodgement two. (National Draft on Nov 18)
Wednesday November 24, 2pm - List lodgement three and TPP estimates. (PSD on Dec 7)
Is there any updates on whats happening before tomorrow about if his staying or quiting.
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Hope he is stayin, hope someone hasn't shafted us, is he contracted for next year?
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is he contracted for next year?
yep
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we have wasted 3 picks in recent times.
Alroy Gilligan, Relton Roberts and now Troy Taylor, move on shell we
hmm can add collard and peterson to that list.
i have to laugh every time a criticism is aimed at blacks its racist.
troy taylor comes from the out back geez and here i was thinking he came from darwin one of the bigger cities in the country.
the simple facts are we knew he was high risk not because of his skin colour but his background. we are talking about troy taylor here are we not. sheesh he lasted to pick 51 which by the way is a very valuable pick. he lacked discipline was running wild and clearly showed he did not have the mental attributes needed to pursue and make an afl career. when some of us said as much we were, yep you guessed it labeled racists immediately.
why did a top 20 pick on talent alone slip so far and god knows how much farther he would have slipped if we had not taken him when we did. does anyone ever stop to ask these questions.
as for the racist component in this thread. its typical dont you dare ever speak your mind about blacks in this country,because you are labelled straight away. ya know what i couldnt give a stuff about what people call me. i call a spade a spade and if people dont like it and label me a racist well thanks im happy to be called one.
me i have a simple philosphy you treat each individual how you would like to be treated yourself i suppose that makes me racist.
as an observation, and keeping in mind aboriginals make up just 2% of the population. also keeping in mind over 10% of gdp is spent on them i think in general far to many aboriginals are on the dole and not even looking to work, drunks, or heavily represented in our court and jail systems.and this happens despite the enormous amount of resources we throw at such a small minority. but i suppose in making this observation im racist.
as for the stolen generation i have not heard once ever that perhaps a good percentage of removals was warranted. kids were living in squalor being abused by drunken parents and half starved to death.this still happens in many remote places to this day and i an mot afraid to say many children in these circumstances shpould be removed from the horrible situation they find themselves in. it wont happen today far to many are gun shy and afraid of copping the nasty white man just uprooted these kids for no reason.
i for one am sick and tired of the guilt trip it seems the dogooders have earmarked for us. it seems the more we pander to the minorities the more they put their hands out for.
i have to ask at what stage are these people going to get of their lazy arses utilise what is being thrown at them, and what is being thrown at them is mind blowing and do something to help themselves. as far as im concerned i dont owe them a thing not an apology not anything. in fact on a personal level the way i have been treated by them i have every reason to dislike them. im sick of the waste and im sick of not being able to speak the truth or call it as i see it.
its about time the excuses stopped and our indigenous friends got themselves into the 21st century.
theres an old saying you cant help those who wont help themselves and i reckon far to many aboriginals fall into this category.
yep according to some fools im a racist and im proud of it at least i speak my mind.
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ok .....
now enough of the generalisations and more about TT.
TT has the talent - does he have the application to build a career and also improve his delivery via foot, cos if he can grasp the opportunity there is huge upside for RFC.
Just hope that Dimma can inspire the belief and spark the mental hardness required to develop the latent talent.
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why did a top 20 pick on talent alone slip so far and god knows how much farther he would have slipped if we had not taken him when we did. does anyone ever stop to ask these questions.
Does that question also apply to another Tiger who was drafted in similar circumstances? ......hmmm alleged incident in his country home town before he was drafted and then well-documented issues with alcohol. We must have missed the full-on political post about his race when he was suspended by the Club :whistle.
Footballers arrive at Clubs from all different backgrounds (good/tough/city/bush) and these days mostly at 18 years of age with still a lot to learn about life. It's up to the Club to provide an environment and support structures for the players to get the best out of themselves and for each individual player to be committed, work hard and make the most of the opportunity to succeed.
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we have wasted 3 picks in recent times.
Alroy Gilligan, Relton Roberts and now Troy Taylor, move on shell we
hmm can add collard and peterson to that list.
i have to laugh every time a criticism is aimed at blacks its racist.
troy taylor comes from the out back geez and here i was thinking he came from darwin one of the bigger cities in the country.
the simple facts are we knew he was high risk not because of his skin colour but his background. we are talking about troy taylor here are we not. sheesh he lasted to pick 51 which by the way is a very valuable pick. he lacked discipline was running wild and clearly showed he did not have the mental attributes needed to pursue and make an afl career. when some of us said as much we were, yep you guessed it labeled racists immediately.
why did a top 20 pick on talent alone slip so far and god knows how much farther he would have slipped if we had not taken him when we did. does anyone ever stop to ask these questions.
as for the racist component in this thread. its typical dont you dare ever speak your mind about blacks in this country,because you are labelled straight away. ya know what i couldnt give a stuff about what people call me. i call a spade a spade and if people dont like it and label me a racist well thanks im happy to be called one.
me i have a simple philosphy you treat each individual how you would like to be treated yourself i suppose that makes me racist.
as an observation, and keeping in mind aboriginals make up just 2% of the population. also keeping in mind over 10% of gdp is spent on them i think in general far to many aboriginals are on the dole and not even looking to work, drunks, or heavily represented in our court and jail systems.and this happens despite the enormous amount of resources we throw at such a small minority. but i suppose in making this observation im racist.
as for the stolen generation i have not heard once ever that perhaps a good percentage of removals was warranted. kids were living in squalor being abused by drunken parents and half starved to death.this still happens in many remote places to this day and i an mot afraid to say many children in these circumstances shpould be removed from the horrible situation they find themselves in. it wont happen today far to many are gun shy and afraid of copping the nasty white man just uprooted these kids for no reason.
i for one am sick and tired of the guilt trip it seems the dogooders have earmarked for us. it seems the more we pander to the minorities the more they put their hands out for.
i have to ask at what stage are these people going to get of their lazy behinds utilise what is being thrown at them, and what is being thrown at them is mind blowing and do something to help themselves. as far as im concerned i dont owe them a thing not an apology not anything. in fact on a personal level the way i have been treated by them i have every reason to dislike them. im sick of the waste and im sick of not being able to speak the truth or call it as i see it.
its about time the excuses stopped and our indigenous friends got themselves into the 21st century.
theres an old saying you cant help those who wont help themselves and i reckon far to many aboriginals fall into this category.
yep according to some fools im a racist and im proud of it at least i speak my mind.
Oh eff me Andrew Claw Bolt is here, he has been studying the world hard from his armchair on 'today tonight', be outraged in 30 mins flat lol. If I meet you, and you slag off aboriginals, I will crack you so effin hard in the head, one of your eyes will pop out, my (half) brother and sister are aboriginal. Each person makes their own mistakes and way in life. Some people live in places and circumstances that put them at a disadvantage. I lived in Darwin for years, I was posted there. My PettyOfficer and his family were aboriginal, they were awesome, big clan, looked after all of us all the time like we were family, I will never forget that. A lot of the other poor buggers up there live by the roadside or in pooty accommodation or camps, are not educated and are in impoverished conditions. Darwin is not a big city, its like a bunch of suburbs. It is cosmopolitan but not for most aboriginals, they aren't part of the main stream up there. They live on the fringes and in palmerston. All your generalisations are horsesh!t and your a halfwit. Admit it, your a bitter, nasty little right wing prick, I bet your into eugenics you twisted eff lol What race are you claw? Post prison stats for your race you wanker, lets have a comparison! Anglo Saxon? Celt? Italian? Greek? Lebanese? Chinese? Indian? African? How would we all feel with these stats being hucked up alongside dole numbers being brandished as to why our particular heritage is inferior? Anyone? And furthermore, whats it got to do with football, all he has done is gone back to sort out something with family, he committed no crime or anything....Your a pee poor excuse for a human being Claw, whatever race you are, someone p!ssed in your gene pool because you havn't evolved from the reptile stage.
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Each person makes their own mistakes and way in life. Some people live in places and circumstances that put them at a disadvantage. I lived in Darwin for years, I was posted there. My PettyOfficer and his family were aboriginal, they were awesome, big clan, looked after all of us all the time like we were family, I will never forget that. A lot of the other poor buggers up there live by the roadside or in pooty accommodation or camps, are not educated and are in impoverished conditions. Darwin is not a big city, its like a bunch of suburbs. It is cosmopolitan but not for most aboriginals, they aren't part of the main stream up there. They live on the fringes and in palmerston. All your generalisations are horsesh!t and your a halfwit.
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What race are you claw? Post prison stats for your race you wanker, lets have a comparison! Anglo Saxon? Celt? Italian? Greek? Lebanese? Chinese? Indian? African? How would we all feel with these stats being hucked up alongside dole numbers being brandished as to why our particular heritage is inferior? Anyone? And furthermore, whats it got to do with football, all he has done is gone back to sort out something with family, he committed no crime or anything....
:clapping
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we have wasted 3 picks in recent times.
Alroy Gilligan, Relton Roberts and now Troy Taylor, move on shell we
hmm can add collard and peterson to that list.
i have to laugh every time a criticism is aimed at blacks its racist.
troy taylor comes from the out back geez and here i was thinking he came from darwin one of the bigger cities in the country.
the simple facts are we knew he was high risk not because of his skin colour but his background. we are talking about troy taylor here are we not. sheesh he lasted to pick 51 which by the way is a very valuable pick. he lacked discipline was running wild and clearly showed he did not have the mental attributes needed to pursue and make an afl career. when some of us said as much we were, yep you guessed it labeled racists immediately.
why did a top 20 pick on talent alone slip so far and god knows how much farther he would have slipped if we had not taken him when we did. does anyone ever stop to ask these questions.
as for the racist component in this thread. its typical dont you dare ever speak your mind about blacks in this country,because you are labelled straight away. ya know what i couldnt give a stuff about what people call me. i call a spade a spade and if people dont like it and label me a racist well thanks im happy to be called one.
me i have a simple philosphy you treat each individual how you would like to be treated yourself i suppose that makes me racist.
as an observation, and keeping in mind aboriginals make up just 2% of the population. also keeping in mind over 10% of gdp is spent on them i think in general far to many aboriginals are on the dole and not even looking to work, drunks, or heavily represented in our court and jail systems.and this happens despite the enormous amount of resources we throw at such a small minority. but i suppose in making this observation im racist.
as for the stolen generation i have not heard once ever that perhaps a good percentage of removals was warranted. kids were living in squalor being abused by drunken parents and half starved to death.this still happens in many remote places to this day and i an mot afraid to say many children in these circumstances shpould be removed from the horrible situation they find themselves in. it wont happen today far to many are gun shy and afraid of copping the nasty white man just uprooted these kids for no reason.
i for one am sick and tired of the guilt trip it seems the dogooders have earmarked for us. it seems the more we pander to the minorities the more they put their hands out for.
i have to ask at what stage are these people going to get of their lazy behinds utilise what is being thrown at them, and what is being thrown at them is mind blowing and do something to help themselves. as far as im concerned i dont owe them a thing not an apology not anything. in fact on a personal level the way i have been treated by them i have every reason to dislike them. im sick of the waste and im sick of not being able to speak the truth or call it as i see it.
its about time the excuses stopped and our indigenous friends got themselves into the 21st century.
theres an old saying you cant help those who wont help themselves and i reckon far to many aboriginals fall into this category.
yep according to some fools im a racist and im proud of it at least i speak my mind.
Claw, you would be surprised at how much aboriginal people are doing to rectify the problems bought onto them by the introduction of European people! This is an ill informed post, where i work i see so many people who allegedly have their hand out for a free ride and not many are aboriginal! In fact none are and i live in area with relatively high indigenous demographic! Europeans are the biggest scabs of all time when it comes to welfare rorts and tax evasion!
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we have wasted 3 picks in recent times.
Alroy Gilligan, Relton Roberts and now Troy Taylor, move on shell we
i call a spade a spade
Oh the irony ;D
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Oops I just accidentally stepped into a pile of dog poo.
Here was me thinking that this was a football board.
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we have wasted 3 picks in recent times.
Alroy Gilligan, Relton Roberts and now Troy Taylor, move on shell we
hmm can add collard and peterson to that list.
i have to laugh every time a criticism is aimed at blacks its racist.
troy taylor comes from the out back geez and here i was thinking he came from darwin one of the bigger cities in the country.
the simple facts are we knew he was high risk not because of his skin colour but his background. we are talking about troy taylor here are we not. sheesh he lasted to pick 51 which by the way is a very valuable pick. he lacked discipline was running wild and clearly showed he did not have the mental attributes needed to pursue and make an afl career. when some of us said as much we were, yep you guessed it labeled racists immediately.
why did a top 20 pick on talent alone slip so far and god knows how much farther he would have slipped if we had not taken him when we did. does anyone ever stop to ask these questions.
as for the racist component in this thread. its typical dont you dare ever speak your mind about blacks in this country,because you are labelled straight away. ya know what i couldnt give a stuff about what people call me. i call a spade a spade and if people dont like it and label me a racist well thanks im happy to be called one.
me i have a simple philosphy you treat each individual how you would like to be treated yourself i suppose that makes me racist.
as an observation, and keeping in mind aboriginals make up just 2% of the population. also keeping in mind over 10% of gdp is spent on them i think in general far to many aboriginals are on the dole and not even looking to work, drunks, or heavily represented in our court and jail systems.and this happens despite the enormous amount of resources we throw at such a small minority. but i suppose in making this observation im racist.
as for the stolen generation i have not heard once ever that perhaps a good percentage of removals was warranted. kids were living in squalor being abused by drunken parents and half starved to death.this still happens in many remote places to this day and i an mot afraid to say many children in these circumstances shpould be removed from the horrible situation they find themselves in. it wont happen today far to many are gun shy and afraid of copping the nasty white man just uprooted these kids for no reason.
i for one am sick and tired of the guilt trip it seems the dogooders have earmarked for us. it seems the more we pander to the minorities the more they put their hands out for.
i have to ask at what stage are these people going to get of their lazy behinds utilise what is being thrown at them, and what is being thrown at them is mind blowing and do something to help themselves. as far as im concerned i dont owe them a thing not an apology not anything. in fact on a personal level the way i have been treated by them i have every reason to dislike them. im sick of the waste and im sick of not being able to speak the truth or call it as i see it.
its about time the excuses stopped and our indigenous friends got themselves into the 21st century.
theres an old saying you cant help those who wont help themselves and i reckon far to many aboriginals fall into this category.
yep according to some fools im a racist and im proud of it at least i speak my mind.
Oh eff me Andrew Claw Bolt is here, he has been studying the world hard from his armchair on 'today tonight', be outraged in 30 mins flat lol. If I meet you, and you slag off aboriginals, I will crack you so effin hard in the head, one of your eyes will pop out, my (half) brother and sister are aboriginal. Each person makes their own mistakes and way in life. Some people live in places and circumstances that put them at a disadvantage. I lived in Darwin for years, I was posted there. My PettyOfficer and his family were aboriginal, they were awesome, big clan, looked after all of us all the time like we were family, I will never forget that. A lot of the other poor buggers up there live by the roadside or in pooty accommodation or camps, are not educated and are in impoverished conditions. Darwin is not a big city, its like a bunch of suburbs. It is cosmopolitan but not for most aboriginals, they aren't part of the main stream up there. They live on the fringes and in palmerston. All your generalisations are horsesh!t and your a halfwit. Admit it, your a bitter, nasty little right wing prick, I bet your into eugenics you twisted eff lol What race are you claw? Post prison stats for your race you wanker, lets have a comparison! Anglo Saxon? Celt? Italian? Greek? Lebanese? Chinese? Indian? African? How would we all feel with these stats being hucked up alongside dole numbers being brandished as to why our particular heritage is inferior? Anyone? And furthermore, whats it got to do with football, all he has done is gone back to sort out something with family, he committed no crime or anything....Your a pee poor excuse for a human being Claw, whatever race you are, someone p!ssed in your gene pool because you havn't evolved from the reptile stage.
ill ignore the emotional clap trap hole and answer one question. im indiginous australian i was born here.i have a simple motto in life regardless of race religion or gender treat all as you would like to be treated yourself.
ya know if experience in life counts for anything and shapes us my experiences since living on the mainland for the last 30 yrs with blacks has been nothing short of abysmal. when you are regularly robbed bashed looked down upon by a certain group one is not want to have a high opinion of that group as a whole dont you think. ive done nothing but speak the truth and will continue to call it as i see it and have experienced it.
im not racist but i will admit i probably have little tolerance for the plight of many who refuse to help themselves this goes for others as well. black brown white or brindle if your a drunk your a drunk if you are lazy you are lazy, if you have no respect for others you have no respect unfortunately far to many blacks are these things we live in the age of the aboriginal industry where self interest groups rule sadly far to many of those self interest groups are black themselves. the simple facts are aboriginals are disproportionately represented in the leagal system the welfare system the prison system. ah why go on you dont want to hear or acknowledge all you want to do is blame it on the white man.
i will finish by saying nowhere in the world has so much been thrown at such a small minority in an attempt to help. if we keep going the way we are there will develop the menatality amongst the majority of them against us.
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do we all agree on if he dosent want to be apart of the prep for next season (Hard work) than he will not play for us until he makes a serious effort ?
He shoudlnt be treated any diffrently if he is black or white ..can i get a Amen?
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Man, I stayed in Palmerston for a couple of weeks when up in Darwin - Yeah different kinda place but was pretty cool from memory.
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Geez Claw. what a deeply concerning post. ???
How would u be if 300 odd years ago your ancestor's country was invaded and your people were nearly wiped out, before being thrown into a hierarchical, greed-driven society where they start at the bottom of the food-chain?
Do u expect the ancestors of Indigenous genocide and the stolen generation to just fit right in?
throwing money at them is never going to fix these problems, so dont expect it to.
Many people portray Aboriginals as a primitive people. But they lived sustainably for thousands of years in communities based on shared wealth and respect for accumulative knowledge. We live in a society fueled by greed and materialism.
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Geez Claw. what a deeply concerning post. ???
How would u be if 300 odd years ago your ancestor's country was invaded and your people were nearly wiped out, before being thrown into a hierarchical, greed-driven society where they start at the bottom of the food-chain?
Do u expect the ancestors of Indigenous genocide and the stolen generation to just fit right in?
throwing money at them is never going to fix these problems, so dont expect it to.
Many people portray Aboriginals as a primitive people. But they lived sustainably for thousands of years in communities based on shared wealth and respect for accumulative knowledge. We live in a society fueled by greed and materialism.
spot on :clapping
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you're a drunk and a vagabond wilbur and i watched you sleep unprotected with two thai prostitutes you greedy materialistic bastard
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Well I must say I am very concerned.
Were those two prostitutes female or those boy-girl things.
Fess up Wilbur.
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we have wasted 3 picks in recent times.
Alroy Gilligan, Relton Roberts and now Troy Taylor, move on shell we
hmm can add collard and peterson to that list.
i have to laugh every time a criticism is aimed at blacks its racist.
troy taylor comes from the out back geez and here i was thinking he came from darwin one of the bigger cities in the country.
the simple facts are we knew he was high risk not because of his skin colour but his background. we are talking about troy taylor here are we not. sheesh he lasted to pick 51 which by the way is a very valuable pick. he lacked discipline was running wild and clearly showed he did not have the mental attributes needed to pursue and make an afl career. when some of us said as much we were, yep you guessed it labeled racists immediately.
why did a top 20 pick on talent alone slip so far and god knows how much farther he would have slipped if we had not taken him when we did. does anyone ever stop to ask these questions.
as for the racist component in this thread. its typical dont you dare ever speak your mind about blacks in this country,because you are labelled straight away. ya know what i couldnt give a stuff about what people call me. i call a spade a spade and if people dont like it and label me a racist well thanks im happy to be called one.
me i have a simple philosphy you treat each individual how you would like to be treated yourself i suppose that makes me racist.
as an observation, and keeping in mind aboriginals make up just 2% of the population. also keeping in mind over 10% of gdp is spent on them i think in general far to many aboriginals are on the dole and not even looking to work, drunks, or heavily represented in our court and jail systems.and this happens despite the enormous amount of resources we throw at such a small minority. but i suppose in making this observation im racist.
as for the stolen generation i have not heard once ever that perhaps a good percentage of removals was warranted. kids were living in squalor being abused by drunken parents and half starved to death.this still happens in many remote places to this day and i an mot afraid to say many children in these circumstances shpould be removed from the horrible situation they find themselves in. it wont happen today far to many are gun shy and afraid of copping the nasty white man just uprooted these kids for no reason.
i for one am sick and tired of the guilt trip it seems the dogooders have earmarked for us. it seems the more we pander to the minorities the more they put their hands out for.
i have to ask at what stage are these people going to get of their lazy behinds utilise what is being thrown at them, and what is being thrown at them is mind blowing and do something to help themselves. as far as im concerned i dont owe them a thing not an apology not anything. in fact on a personal level the way i have been treated by them i have every reason to dislike them. im sick of the waste and im sick of not being able to speak the truth or call it as i see it.
its about time the excuses stopped and our indigenous friends got themselves into the 21st century.
theres an old saying you cant help those who wont help themselves and i reckon far to many aboriginals fall into this category.
yep according to some fools im a racist and im proud of it at least i speak my mind.
Oh eff me Andrew Claw Bolt is here, he has been studying the world hard from his armchair on 'today tonight', be outraged in 30 mins flat lol. If I meet you, and you slag off aboriginals, I will crack you so effin hard in the head, one of your eyes will pop out, my (half) brother and sister are aboriginal. Each person makes their own mistakes and way in life. Some people live in places and circumstances that put them at a disadvantage. I lived in Darwin for years, I was posted there. My PettyOfficer and his family were aboriginal, they were awesome, big clan, looked after all of us all the time like we were family, I will never forget that. A lot of the other poor buggers up there live by the roadside or in pooty accommodation or camps, are not educated and are in impoverished conditions. Darwin is not a big city, its like a bunch of suburbs. It is cosmopolitan but not for most aboriginals, they aren't part of the main stream up there. They live on the fringes and in palmerston. All your generalisations are horsesh!t and your a halfwit. Admit it, your a bitter, nasty little right wing prick, I bet your into eugenics you twisted eff lol What race are you claw? Post prison stats for your race you wanker, lets have a comparison! Anglo Saxon? Celt? Italian? Greek? Lebanese? Chinese? Indian? African? How would we all feel with these stats being hucked up alongside dole numbers being brandished as to why our particular heritage is inferior? Anyone? And furthermore, whats it got to do with football, all he has done is gone back to sort out something with family, he committed no crime or anything....Your a pee poor excuse for a human being Claw, whatever race you are, someone p!ssed in your gene pool because you havn't evolved from the reptile stage.
ill ignore the emotional clap trap behindhole and answer one question. im indiginous australian i was born here.i have a simple motto in life regardless of race religion or gender treat all as you would like to be treated yourself.
ya know if experience in life counts for anything and shapes us my experiences since living on the mainland for the last 30 yrs with blacks has been nothing short of abysmal. when you are regularly robbed bashed looked down upon by a certain group one is not want to have a high opinion of that group as a whole dont you think. ive done nothing but speak the truth and will continue to call it as i see it and have experienced it.
im not racist but i will admit i probably have little tolerance for the plight of many who refuse to help themselves this goes for others as well. black brown white or brindle if your a drunk your a drunk if you are lazy you are lazy, if you have no respect for others you have no respect unfortunately far to many blacks are these things we live in the age of the aboriginal industry where self interest groups rule sadly far to many of those self interest groups are black themselves. the simple facts are aboriginals are disproportionately represented in the leagal system the welfare system the prison system. ah why go on you dont want to hear or acknowledge all you want to do is blame it on the white man.
i will finish by saying nowhere in the world has so much been thrown at such a small minority in an attempt to help. if we keep going the way we are there will develop the menatality amongst the majority of them against us.
Nice ruse Claw, you might suck some in with your wording there mate. Anyone would think those stories happened to you instead of you watching them on 'today tonight' during Howards big intervention. They might even believe your face saving attempt that your indiginous, but I don't buy it for a second, it just adds to your disgusting behaviour that you would try and lay that crap on everyone.
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im not racist but...
I love this line. It's almost as good as "No offence, but..."
No offence, but you're a complete f-wit
See how that works? Just because you say you're a racist, doesn't mean you're not
Given you stereotype negativity to an entire race, you're a racist
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Geez Claw. what a deeply concerning post. ???
How would u be if 300 odd years ago your ancestor's country was invaded and your people were nearly wiped out, before being thrown into a hierarchical, greed-driven society where they start at the bottom of the food-chain?
Do u expect the ancestors of Indigenous genocide and the stolen generation to just fit right in?
throwing money at them is never going to fix these problems, so dont expect it to.
Many people portray Aboriginals as a primitive people. But they lived sustainably for thousands of years in communities based on shared wealth and respect for accumulative knowledge. We live in a society fueled by greed and materialism.
Lets not forget that after the trouble with the natives in many other English colonies the powers that be learned their lessons well and over time systematically and deliberately created a welfare or nanny state amongst the indigenous people of Australia. This is how they attempted to keep the natives in check and is in no small part a reason why we have the situation we do today.
In the early/middle part of last century a bloke by the name of Weston A Price traveled the world seeking out indigenous cultures that still lived traditional ways and compared their health and well being to those that had been "influenced" by westerners. These places included Africa, Switzerland, New Hebrides, Polynesia, Arctic regions and Australia. What he said about the aborigines i find interesting.
Eg.
While these evidences of superior physical development command our most profound
admiration, their ability to build superb bodies and maintain them in excellent condition in so
difficult an environment commands our genuine respect. It is a supreme test of human
efficiency. It is doubtful if many places in the world can demonstrate so great a contrast in
physical development and perfection of body as that which exists between the primitive
Aborigines of Australia who have been the sole arbiters of their fate and those aborigines who
have been under the influence of white man.
Nutrition And Physical Degeneration, p171
I must point out the use of the term "primitive" is by no means meant meant to be a derogatory term here, but merely a description of those that had not yet had "modern" ways forced upon them at the time. (The use of this term is explained in the forward of the latest editions of his book.) Some of these "primitive" people he studied were in fact white.
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we have wasted 3 picks in recent times.
Alroy Gilligan, Relton Roberts and now Troy Taylor, move on shell we
hmm can add collard and peterson to that list.
i have to laugh every time a criticism is aimed at blacks its racist.
troy taylor comes from the out back geez and here i was thinking he came from darwin one of the bigger cities in the country.
the simple facts are we knew he was high risk not because of his skin colour but his background. we are talking about troy taylor here are we not. sheesh he lasted to pick 51 which by the way is a very valuable pick. he lacked discipline was running wild and clearly showed he did not have the mental attributes needed to pursue and make an afl career. when some of us said as much we were, yep you guessed it labeled racists immediately.
why did a top 20 pick on talent alone slip so far and god knows how much farther he would have slipped if we had not taken him when we did. does anyone ever stop to ask these questions.
as for the racist component in this thread. its typical dont you dare ever speak your mind about blacks in this country,because you are labelled straight away. ya know what i couldnt give a stuff about what people call me. i call a spade a spade and if people dont like it and label me a racist well thanks im happy to be called one.
me i have a simple philosphy you treat each individual how you would like to be treated yourself i suppose that makes me racist.
as an observation, and keeping in mind aboriginals make up just 2% of the population. also keeping in mind over 10% of gdp is spent on them i think in general far to many aboriginals are on the dole and not even looking to work, drunks, or heavily represented in our court and jail systems.and this happens despite the enormous amount of resources we throw at such a small minority. but i suppose in making this observation im racist.
as for the stolen generation i have not heard once ever that perhaps a good percentage of removals was warranted. kids were living in squalor being abused by drunken parents and half starved to death.this still happens in many remote places to this day and i an mot afraid to say many children in these circumstances shpould be removed from the horrible situation they find themselves in. it wont happen today far to many are gun shy and afraid of copping the nasty white man just uprooted these kids for no reason.
i for one am sick and tired of the guilt trip it seems the dogooders have earmarked for us. it seems the more we pander to the minorities the more they put their hands out for.
i have to ask at what stage are these people going to get of their lazy behinds utilise what is being thrown at them, and what is being thrown at them is mind blowing and do something to help themselves. as far as im concerned i dont owe them a thing not an apology not anything. in fact on a personal level the way i have been treated by them i have every reason to dislike them. im sick of the waste and im sick of not being able to speak the truth or call it as i see it.
its about time the excuses stopped and our indigenous friends got themselves into the 21st century.
theres an old saying you cant help those who wont help themselves and i reckon far to many aboriginals fall into this category.
yep according to some fools im a racist and im proud of it at least i speak my mind.
Oh eff me Andrew Claw Bolt is here, he has been studying the world hard from his armchair on 'today tonight', be outraged in 30 mins flat lol. If I meet you, and you slag off aboriginals, I will crack you so effin hard in the head, one of your eyes will pop out, my (half) brother and sister are aboriginal. Each person makes their own mistakes and way in life. Some people live in places and circumstances that put them at a disadvantage. I lived in Darwin for years, I was posted there. My PettyOfficer and his family were aboriginal, they were awesome, big clan, looked after all of us all the time like we were family, I will never forget that. A lot of the other poor buggers up there live by the roadside or in pooty accommodation or camps, are not educated and are in impoverished conditions. Darwin is not a big city, its like a bunch of suburbs. It is cosmopolitan but not for most aboriginals, they aren't part of the main stream up there. They live on the fringes and in palmerston. All your generalisations are horsesh!t and your a halfwit. Admit it, your a bitter, nasty little right wing prick, I bet your into eugenics you twisted eff lol What race are you claw? Post prison stats for your race you wanker, lets have a comparison! Anglo Saxon? Celt? Italian? Greek? Lebanese? Chinese? Indian? African? How would we all feel with these stats being hucked up alongside dole numbers being brandished as to why our particular heritage is inferior? Anyone? And furthermore, whats it got to do with football, all he has done is gone back to sort out something with family, he committed no crime or anything....Your a pee poor excuse for a human being Claw, whatever race you are, someone p!ssed in your gene pool because you havn't evolved from the reptile stage.
ill ignore the emotional clap trap behindhole and answer one question. im indiginous australian i was born here.i have a simple motto in life regardless of race religion or gender treat all as you would like to be treated yourself.
ya know if experience in life counts for anything and shapes us my experiences since living on the mainland for the last 30 yrs with blacks has been nothing short of abysmal. when you are regularly robbed bashed looked down upon by a certain group one is not want to have a high opinion of that group as a whole dont you think. ive done nothing but speak the truth and will continue to call it as i see it and have experienced it.
im not racist but i will admit i probably have little tolerance for the plight of many who refuse to help themselves this goes for others as well. black brown white or brindle if your a drunk your a drunk if you are lazy you are lazy, if you have no respect for others you have no respect unfortunately far to many blacks are these things we live in the age of the aboriginal industry where self interest groups rule sadly far to many of those self interest groups are black themselves. the simple facts are aboriginals are disproportionately represented in the leagal system the welfare system the prison system. ah why go on you dont want to hear or acknowledge all you want to do is blame it on the white man.
i will finish by saying nowhere in the world has so much been thrown at such a small minority in an attempt to help. if we keep going the way we are there will develop the menatality amongst the majority of them against us.
Nice ruse Claw, you might suck some in with your wording there mate. Anyone would think those stories happened to you instead of you watching them on 'today tonight' during Howards big intervention. They might even believe your face saving attempt that your indiginous, but I don't buy it for a second, it just adds to your disgusting behaviour that you would try and lay that crap on everyone.
as i said you dont want to hear you just want to blame the white man. yep you have your head up your arse. like i said robbed bashed abused and on a rgular basis. house 4 times car twice bashed twice and ya knowe what there are plenty i know who have suffered similar at the hands of those so called poor down trodden aboriginals.
like i said you treat people the same way they treat you.
these problems arent the domain of a small minority of blacks but a large percentage of the whole. you put your head up your arse and pretend it aint so thats fine by me kid yourself. ya know all the do gooders blaming every one else except blaming those who wont help themselves. 10% of gdp going to a paltry 2% of the population geez we dont do anything for our blacks or so the industry would have all believe.
ah well bring on another abusive post it what i come to expect from the so called do gooder lot.
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saying i will bash your head in till your eyes pop out is not helping teh sterotype mate.
people need to stop living in the past .. not forget it !! but try an look towards the future
The Jews have forgivin the Nazis dont see how this is worse
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Stfu everone.
Is he playing nxt year or not?
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Well I must say I am very concerned.
Were those two prostitutes female or those boy-girl things.
Fess up Wilbur.
lets just say that I reached the end of the rainbow that night.
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Willy and The Gerk got married. :congrats
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married to your mum's fat black ar$e
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Stfu everone.
Is he playing nxt year or not?
I do hope so
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saying i will bash your head in till your eyes pop out is not helping teh sterotype mate.
people need to stop living in the past .. not forget it !! but try an look towards the future
The Jews have forgivin the Nazis dont see how this is worse
You need a dictionary dopey. ::)
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Does anyone know when Taylor's deadline is? Have Richmond set a date?
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Does anyone know when Taylor's deadline is? Have Richmond set a date?
ask x, I believe he has a direct line into tt
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Does anyone know when Taylor's deadline is? Have Richmond set a date?
No
and
NO
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saying i will bash your head in till your eyes pop out is not helping teh sterotype mate.
people need to stop living in the past .. not forget it !! but try an look towards the future
The Jews have forgivin the Nazis dont see how this is worse
You need a dictionary dopey. ::)
On which word mate ? sterotype?
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saying i will bash your head in till your eyes pop out is not helping teh sterotype mate.
people need to stop living in the past .. not forget it !! but try an look towards the future
The Jews have forgivin the Nazis dont see how this is worse
You need a dictionary dopey. ::)
On which word mate ? sterotype?
Or "the" or "forgiven" or "and".
;)
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saying i will bash your head in till your eyes pop out is not helping teh sterotype mate.
people need to stop living in the past .. not forget it !! but try an look towards the future
The Jews have forgivin the Nazis dont see how this is worse
You need a dictionary dopey. ::)
On which word mate ? sterotype?
Or "the" or "forgiven" or "and".
;)
ahh i do that because i type fast and some times my key board gets slow.. so yeh not my fault
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ahh i do that because i type fast and some times my key board gets slow.. so yeh not my fault
:) I have the same problem - I also blame the keyboard. Nothing to do with old age and the onset of Alzheimer's! :-[
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married to your mum's fat black ar$e
;D
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married to your mum's fat black ar$e
;D
What the stuff are you grinning at pal?
I am latest husband of your ex. I will take good care of the kids ;)
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You need a dictionary dopey. ::)
you need a basement baited with vienna schintzel you old sock
seriously, who gives a stuff about the kid's spelling?
you're not married to 1965 are you?
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you idiot. don't you realise there's nothing more important than grammar on a forum?
:scream
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you idiot. don't you realise there's nothing more important than grammar on a forum?
:scream
I thought it was the Richmond Tigers who were the most important thing on this fourm
P.s if thats joke then it dosent really get across when its typed :thumbsup fun tip of the day
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you idiot. don't you realise there's nothing more important than grammar on a forum?
:scream
I thought it was the Richmond Tigers who were the most important thing on this fourm
P.s if thats joke then it dosent really get across when its typed :thumbsup fun tip of the day
Yeah mate, just me taking the pee :thumbsup
The Gerk would know. He and I know each other well and we now know who a certain bloke on this forum is ;)
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Back on topic ppl
Does anyone know when Taylor's deadline is? Have Richmond set a date?
the future of Troy Taylor remains unclear, with the mid-sized forward remaining in Alice Springs and working through indigenous cultural issues.
''He has obviously got some cultural issues he is working through and we are prepared to give him the time he needs,'' Hardwick said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/finger-surgery-for-tiger-riewoldt-20101113-17rxy.html
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we have wasted 3 picks in recent times.
Alroy Gilligan, Relton Roberts and now Troy Taylor, move on shell we
hmm can add collard and peterson to that list.
i have to laugh every time a criticism is aimed at blacks its racist.
troy taylor comes from the out back geez and here i was thinking he came from darwin one of the bigger cities in the country.
the simple facts are we knew he was high risk not because of his skin colour but his background. we are talking about troy taylor here are we not. sheesh he lasted to pick 51 which by the way is a very valuable pick. he lacked discipline was running wild and clearly showed he did not have the mental attributes needed to pursue and make an afl career. when some of us said as much we were, yep you guessed it labeled racists immediately.
why did a top 20 pick on talent alone slip so far and god knows how much farther he would have slipped if we had not taken him when we did. does anyone ever stop to ask these questions.
as for the racist component in this thread. its typical dont you dare ever speak your mind about blacks in this country,because you are labelled straight away. ya know what i couldnt give a stuff about what people call me. i call a spade a spade and if people dont like it and label me a racist well thanks im happy to be called one.
me i have a simple philosphy you treat each individual how you would like to be treated yourself i suppose that makes me racist.
as an observation, and keeping in mind aboriginals make up just 2% of the population. also keeping in mind over 10% of gdp is spent on them i think in general far to many aboriginals are on the dole and not even looking to work, drunks, or heavily represented in our court and jail systems.and this happens despite the enormous amount of resources we throw at such a small minority. but i suppose in making this observation im racist.
as for the stolen generation i have not heard once ever that perhaps a good percentage of removals was warranted. kids were living in squalor being abused by drunken parents and half starved to death.this still happens in many remote places to this day and i an mot afraid to say many children in these circumstances shpould be removed from the horrible situation they find themselves in. it wont happen today far to many are gun shy and afraid of copping the nasty white man just uprooted these kids for no reason.
i for one am sick and tired of the guilt trip it seems the dogooders have earmarked for us. it seems the more we pander to the minorities the more they put their hands out for.
i have to ask at what stage are these people going to get of their lazy behinds utilise what is being thrown at them, and what is being thrown at them is mind blowing and do something to help themselves. as far as im concerned i dont owe them a thing not an apology not anything. in fact on a personal level the way i have been treated by them i have every reason to dislike them. im sick of the waste and im sick of not being able to speak the truth or call it as i see it.
its about time the excuses stopped and our indigenous friends got themselves into the 21st century.
theres an old saying you cant help those who wont help themselves and i reckon far to many aboriginals fall into this category.
yep according to some fools im a racist and im proud of it at least i speak my mind.
Oh eff me Andrew Claw Bolt is here, he has been studying the world hard from his armchair on 'today tonight', be outraged in 30 mins flat lol. If I meet you, and you slag off aboriginals, I will crack you so effin hard in the head, one of your eyes will pop out, my (half) brother and sister are aboriginal. Each person makes their own mistakes and way in life. Some people live in places and circumstances that put them at a disadvantage. I lived in Darwin for years, I was posted there. My PettyOfficer and his family were aboriginal, they were awesome, big clan, looked after all of us all the time like we were family, I will never forget that. A lot of the other poor buggers up there live by the roadside or in pooty accommodation or camps, are not educated and are in impoverished conditions. Darwin is not a big city, its like a bunch of suburbs. It is cosmopolitan but not for most aboriginals, they aren't part of the main stream up there. They live on the fringes and in palmerston. All your generalisations are horsesh!t and your a halfwit. Admit it, your a bitter, nasty little right wing prick, I bet your into eugenics you twisted eff lol What race are you claw? Post prison stats for your race you wanker, lets have a comparison! Anglo Saxon? Celt? Italian? Greek? Lebanese? Chinese? Indian? African? How would we all feel with these stats being hucked up alongside dole numbers being brandished as to why our particular heritage is inferior? Anyone? And furthermore, whats it got to do with football, all he has done is gone back to sort out something with family, he committed no crime or anything....Your a pee poor excuse for a human being Claw, whatever race you are, someone p!ssed in your gene pool because you havn't evolved from the reptile stage.
ill ignore the emotional clap trap behindhole and answer one question. im indiginous australian i was born here.i have a simple motto in life regardless of race religion or gender treat all as you would like to be treated yourself.
ya know if experience in life counts for anything and shapes us my experiences since living on the mainland for the last 30 yrs with blacks has been nothing short of abysmal. when you are regularly robbed bashed looked down upon by a certain group one is not want to have a high opinion of that group as a whole dont you think. ive done nothing but speak the truth and will continue to call it as i see it and have experienced it.
im not racist but i will admit i probably have little tolerance for the plight of many who refuse to help themselves this goes for others as well. black brown white or brindle if your a drunk your a drunk if you are lazy you are lazy, if you have no respect for others you have no respect unfortunately far to many blacks are these things we live in the age of the aboriginal industry where self interest groups rule sadly far to many of those self interest groups are black themselves. the simple facts are aboriginals are disproportionately represented in the leagal system the welfare system the prison system. ah why go on you dont want to hear or acknowledge all you want to do is blame it on the white man.
i will finish by saying nowhere in the world has so much been thrown at such a small minority in an attempt to help. if we keep going the way we are there will develop the menatality amongst the majority of them against us.
Nice ruse Claw, you might suck some in with your wording there mate. Anyone would think those stories happened to you instead of you watching them on 'today tonight' during Howards big intervention. They might even believe your face saving attempt that your indiginous, but I don't buy it for a second, it just adds to your disgusting behaviour that you would try and lay that crap on everyone.
as i said you dont want to hear you just want to blame the white man. yep you have your head up your behind. like i said robbed bashed abused and on a rgular basis. house 4 times car twice bashed twice and ya knowe what there are plenty i know who have suffered similar at the hands of those so called poor down trodden aboriginals.
like i said you treat people the same way they treat you.
these problems arent the domain of a small minority of blacks but a large percentage of the whole. you put your head up your behind and pretend it aint so thats fine by me kid yourself. ya know all the do gooders blaming every one else except blaming those who wont help themselves. 10% of gdp going to a paltry 2% of the population geez we dont do anything for our blacks or so the industry would have all believe.
ah well bring on another abusive post it what i come to expect from the so called do gooder lot.
lol claw, I have lived in outback North WA, NT, Far North Queensland and yet, the only blue I have seen is a few black fellas going at it between themselves over some family poo. Your madmax stories would make a good movie bloke. Your a puckin pilm star! IMO they probably heard all your rubbish stats and decided to give you a good floggin to teach you a lesson, but your a stubborn bastard lol
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OK ... so after Thursday Night we will either have one pick left or none (we take Houli with Pick 69 or whatever it is).
Do YOU think Richmond will delist Taylor to get a player in the Pre-Season Draft? Or do YOU think Richmond will keep him on the list?
???
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OK ... so after Thursday Night we will either have one pick left or none (we take Houli with Pick 69 or whatever it is).
Do YOU think Richmond will delist Taylor to get a player in the Pre-Season Draft? Or do YOU think Richmond will keep him on the list?
???
Houli hasn't nominated for the National Draft so he can't be picked up on Thursday. He'll nominated for the PSD in December. On draft day we'll use 5 of our picks (6, 30, 47, 51 an 63) on kids; we'll say 'pass' at pick 79 so we have a pick in the PSD (Houli); and our final ND pick #94 we'll call out Gourdis' name as a promoted rookie.
As for Taylor - he is contracted so he can't be just delisted. He would need to be paid out of his contract if we were to cut him. However Hardwick has said the other day that he plans to work with Troy and give him the time he needs.
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Do YOU think Richmond will delist Taylor to get a player in the Pre-Season Draft? Or do YOU think Richmond will keep him on the list?
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For the final time he WILL NOT be de-listed
I think the Club has made that perfectly clear
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This still going ::)
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As for Taylor - he is contracted so he can't be just delisted. He would need to be paid out of his contract if we were to cut him.
MT I think that is ordinarily the case.
However, if TT walks and doesnt return, then the club can hardly be said to be required to pay a player who doesnt provide his football services to them. Also there is the Carl Peterson precedent. He had a 2 year deal and the Tigers went to the AFLPA and negotiated out of the contract to delist him.
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Is part of his contract turning up for training?
OK ... so after Thursday Night we will either have one pick left or none (we take Houli with Pick 69 or whatever it is).
Do YOU think Richmond will delist Taylor to get a player in the Pre-Season Draft? Or do YOU think Richmond will keep him on the list?
???
Houli hasn't nominated for the National Draft so he can't be picked up on Thursday. He'll nominated for the PSD in December. On draft day we'll use 5 of our picks (6, 30, 47, 51 an 63) on kids; we'll say 'pass' at pick 79 so we have a pick in the PSD (Houli); and our final ND pick #94 we'll call out Gourdis' name as a promoted rookie.
As for Taylor - he is contracted so he can't be just delisted. He would need to be paid out of his contract if we were to cut him. However Hardwick has said the other day that he plans to work with Troy and give him the time he needs.
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Is part of his contract turning up for training?
I would have thought so and I would have also thought we have the grounds to delist him now if we wanted for breaches of contract.
But the feeling I get is we will persevere with him for a while yet.......
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Is part of his contract turning up for training?
Given we've publically allowed him leave to deal with personal issues, I'm not sure if that can be used against him
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Rumour has it Troy may not be coming back. RFC to confirm news on Troy by Wednesday.
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Dam it
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Rumour has it Troy may not be coming back. RFC to confirm news on Troy by Wednesday.
If true, should Richmond delist him?
We could draft six new players and then Houli in the Pre-Season!
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Rumour has it Troy may not be coming back. RFC to confirm news on Troy by Wednesday.
If true, should Richmond delist him?
We could draft six new players and then Houli in the Pre-Season!
What delist him before Thursday?
We can't.
List lodgements due pre ND are in and cannot be changed
Only chance we have of de-listing him (which I cannot see them doing) is after the ND and before the PSD
Bottom line is he has currency - why would you de-list him now even if he chooses not to come back.
Keep him on the list for 2010 and then try to trade him at the end of 2011...
And beofre everyone jumps up and down and says it is wasting on spot on our list we did it 2010 with Jordie McMahon ;D
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We could put him on the LTIL (Long Term Indecisive List) ;D
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Rumour has it Troy may not be coming back. RFC to confirm news on Troy by Wednesday.
If true, should Richmond delist him?
We could draft six new players and then Houli in the Pre-Season!
What delist him before Thursday?
We can't.
List lodgements due pre ND are in and cannot be changed
Only chance we have of de-listing him (which I cannot see them doing) is after the ND and before the PSD
Bottom line is he has currency - why would you de-list him now even if he chooses not to come back.
Keep him on the list for 2010 and then try to trade him at the end of 2011...
And beofre everyone jumps up and down and says it is wasting on spot on our list we did it 2010 with Jordie McMahon ;D
what currency would he possibly have WP? another pick in the 60's? :lol he was seen with too much baggge pre draft, since then hes been on assault charges and turned his back on afl, we'd be lucky to get 3 magic bans for him this time next yea, just delist and move on, should have been done a month ago
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We could put him on the LTIL (Long Term Indecisive List) ;D
I think there is provisions to do such thing depending on circumstances, with the AFL's approval.
Is there any way he could be dropped to the rookie list?
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We could put him on the LTIL (Long Term Indecisive List) ;D
:lol
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what currency would he possibly have WP? another pick in the 60's? :lol
Hypothetical: If he turns around and says I want to go to the Giants ;D (Sheeds would pull a stunt like that BTW) then you hold onto him so the only way he can get there is via trade.
BTW we are assuming he is only on a standard 2 year contract. What happens if he is on a 3 year deal ;D
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BF poster 'Tiger Fanatic' says Troy's gone.....
It seems he is leaving.
I talked to him on Facebook :(.
I can understand people not believing me. But that is what was said, and I am sure that is him.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19589405&postcount=217
He didn't I asked him if the rumour's were true and he said that he was leaving. I wished him all the best and then I didn't get a response.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19589755&postcount=221
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BF poster 'Tiger Fanatic' says Troy's gone.....
It seems he is leaving.
I talked to him on Facebook :(.
I can understand people not believing me. But that is what was said, and I am sure that is him.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19589405&postcount=217
He didn't I asked him if the rumour's were true and he said that he was leaving. I wished him all the best and then I didn't get a response.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19589755&postcount=221
lol whatever trevor
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Yeah he fired up his apple laptop out at Mt marmarangbong jangaringi burunji camp plugged it into the wireless modem next to the big Eucalyptus while contemplating the milky way and said stuff it im gonna get on face book and talk to some prick I don't know and tell him my thoughts on giving up footy. Im shy but, stuff it.
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Troy taylor is an 19 year old kid.
You don't think goes on facebook?
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Troy taylor is an 19 year old kid.
You don't think goes on facebook?
and speak to strangers .......................no way
But that is what was said, and I am sure that is him.
lol he isnt sure in other words
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In that case you might be in for a shock
Troy taylor is an 19 year old kid.
You don't think goes on facebook?
and speak to strangers .......................no way
But that is what was said, and I am sure that is him.
lol he isnt sure in other words
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According to Caro....
Troy Taylor returned from his extended off-season break to resume training with Richmond yesterday.
Link (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-to-claw-out-of-debt-20101117-17xkx.html)
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Not trying to be a smart arse but in the other thread I said he'd be back although I expected him to be back in February. Was always gonna come back IMHO.
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Old mate on BF has just highlighted the perils and stupidity of believing anything you read on Facebook hasn't he! :wallywink :rollin
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Not trying to be a smart behind but in the other thread I said he'd be back although I expected him to be back in February. Was always gonna come back IMHO.
No Ramps, you are not being a smart behind! Smart behinds say i told you so when negative news is confirmed! This is positive news and shows that TT's heart is more likely to be in it than not!
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Not trying to be a smart behind but in the other thread I said he'd be back although I expected him to be back in February. Was always gonna come back IMHO.
:thumbsup :thumbsup
Ditto Ramps
I thought he'd be back Jan/Feb but always knew he was likely to come back and posted it
Always knew he wasn't going to be de-listed too :rollin :rollin
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ramps we both knew he would be back
all u wankers out there go dig a hole and shove ur head in it
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Good that he hasn't missed too much training also. He'll have pretty much a full pre-season.
Hope his issues are all sorted now. For his sake and ours. :)
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In that case you might be in for a shock
Troy taylor is an 19 year old kid.
You don't think goes on facebook?
and speak to strangers .......................no way
But that is what was said, and I am sure that is him.
lol he isnt sure in other words
well he is back at training so ...... OFF!
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When I lived in the NT, it was hard enough to find shops that sold anything you wanted and if they had it, you multiply the price by 10. Oh yeah and when you finish polishing X off, im waiting lol
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Excellent news!! :thumbsup :thumbsup Really feel for the kid. I remember leaving home at a young age to take on a Job in another state with no family around and it was very difficult and takes time to adjust.
Good on him for sticking with it and I believe that the time he took off will be an excellent investment into his overall attitude of playing footy and coping with living away from home.
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Great news. Now need the club to be very pro-active and very smart about how it deals with him going forward. Not treat him on any elevated level, just be aware of the need to nurture and develop each of it's players in the best possible and unique way.
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Great news. Now need the club to be very pro-active and very smart about how it deals with him going forward. Not treat him on any elevated level, just be aware of the need to nurture and develop each of it's players in the best possible and unique way.
Dito, it is good news. We now need to work out how we handle the indiginous boys better than we have in the past.
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Welcome back Troy.
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Fantastic news :thumbsup
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tremendous news :gotigers
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Who is Richmond forward line coach?
He'd be happy
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I know im wrapt, I hope he bogs in now and just focuses on being the best he can, and he can buy his mum something nice when he is pulling in the big bucks when he is a superstar.
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I know im wrapt, I hope he bogs in now and just focuses on being the best he can, and he can buy his mum something nice when he is pulling in the big bucks when he is a superstar.
And he could also afford to get Julia to connect that eucalyptus up to ADSL2 so his mates can talk to him via video on Facebook. No confusion then as to who is doing the talking. ::)
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Excellent news
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lol, its an optus Eucalypt, Telstra always muffs it up.
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how does training training again have anything to do with ?
It could well Have been my inspirational facebook message which got him to return. 8)
In that case you might be in for a shock
Troy taylor is an 19 year old kid.
You don't think goes on facebook?
and speak to strangers .......................no way
But that is what was said, and I am sure that is him.
lol he isnt sure in other words
well he is back at training so ..... OFF!
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WOW there is alot of Trained keyboard warriors on this fourm :whistle
Welcome back Troy hopfully you got ur poo sorted :thumbsup
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Tell me bout it! but theres no stoppin some people lol
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Snip snip :banghead
Enough with the insults and trash talk and back to the topic
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We could put him on the LTIL (Long Term Indecisive List) ;D
you bitch l just spat coke all over the place laughing ;D :thumbsup
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BF poster 'Tiger Fanatic' says Troy's gone.....
It seems he is leaving.
I talked to him on Facebook :(.
I can understand people not believing me. But that is what was said, and I am sure that is him.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19589405&postcount=217
He didn't I asked him if the rumour's were true and he said that he was leaving. I wished him all the best and then I didn't get a response.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19589755&postcount=221
OMG this is too much for me hahaha call the ambo's my old heart is pumping from the stuff l read, thank god l dont use any other forums
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Snip snip :banghead
Enough with the insults and trash talk and back to the topic
Bump!
and Snip again ::)
A reminder too there's the 'report to moderator' button to help make us mods aware of a post(s) especially on busy days such as now around the draft.
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Anyone actually have any legit information?
Didn't Caro say he was back training?
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Anyone actually have any legit information?
Didn't Caro say he was back training?
Yep he's back at training.
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Thrilled he back. :D
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genuinely hope that TT become a solid man & citizen and let his footy develop around growth in his character.
Best wishes that he is an environment for personal stability & career excellence.
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Hope the conditioning staff give it to him both barrels, nice little rubbish holiday whie eveyrone else was busting their ass, very very lucky to still be on the list
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Hope the conditioning staff give it to him both barrels, nice little rubbish holiday whie eveyrone else was busting their ass, very very lucky to still be on the list
Correct - If he wants it make him prove it.
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Hope the conditioning staff give it to him both barrels, nice little rubbish holiday whie eveyrone else was busting their ass, very very lucky to still be on the list
That will really make him want to stick around
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If he doesn't want to do hard work then that proves he shouldn't be here
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Good to see people still judging even though we still don't know why.he left.::) I'm just glad he is back.
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Is it true he is 192cm?
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Good to see people still judging even though we still don't know why.he left.::) I'm just glad he is back.
Good to see a bit of blind faith too :thumbsup
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Is it true he is 192cm?
yes
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Good to see people still judging even though we still don't know why.he left.::) I'm just glad he is back.
Good to see a bit of blind faith too :thumbsup
Yep rather have blind faith with the club and Troy with dealing with the issue than wanting to hang the kid for something you and I know nothing about. :thumbsup
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Good to see people still judging even though we still don't know why.he left.::) I'm just glad he is back.
Good to see a bit of blind faith too :thumbsup
Yep rather have blind faith with the club and Troy with dealing with the issue than wanting to hang the kid for something you and I know nothing about. :thumbsup
No one wants to hang the kid, TA. They just want to see him bust his ar$e and show a bit of commitment to our club. It's not that much to ask. Most kids would kill to be in his position.
:thumbsup
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Yep rather have blind faith with the club and Troy with dealing with the issue than wanting to hang the kid for something you and I know nothing about. :thumbsup
Great post.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/taylor-back-in-tiger-den/story-e6frf9jf-1225960959785
TROUBLED Tiger Troy Taylor is back in Melbourne training for next year's AFL season.
The 19-year-old forward missed the start of pre-season training earlier this month, returning to Alice Springs to ponder his future.
Richmond president Gary March said today Taylor, pick 51 in last year's draft, did not fly to Auckland with the rest of the team for a training camp yesterday, but his future at Richmond looked positive.
"Troy is back at the club and is training today," March said in a chat with fans on the Tigers website.
"He didn't make the trip to NZ due to some visa issues, but we are hopeful over the coming weeks he will be back to full fitness."
March answered concerns about the club's management of its indigenous players, with three - Richard Tambling, Relton Roberts and rookie Alroy Gilligan - leaving the Tigers at the end of last season, and Taylor in doubt, despite a new indigenous talent academy being built at Punt Rd.
"It's true the club parted company with four (sic) Indigenous players this year. Three (sic) of those were purely based on football ability and list management decisions," March said.
"In the case of Richard Tambling he sought a trade as he felt it would be best for his football and the club agreed.
"It's something we are addressing and indeed is an entire AFL issue as 22 Indigineous players were delisted in 2010."
In the wide-ranging chat, March said the Tigers had no plans to play games in Hobart, and an ambitious program to wipe the club's $4.5 million debt within 12 months would be launched in February.
He said axed Essendon coach Matthew Knights would be welcomed back at the club where he played 279 games if he chose to return.
"That's a football department decision, however as a past player he would be welcome in a player mentoring role."
March said the club was on track to achieve its ambitious goal of three top-eight finishes by 2014.
And asked if former Essendon midfielder Bachar Houli would become "a Tiger for sure" in the pre-season draft, March answered: "Yes."
He also confirmed the club would recruit former Demon Brad Miller as a mature-age rookie.
And the Tigers president jumped at an opportunity to take a dig at rival Carlton, which this week announced a $2.2 million profit.
"Interestingly, in their financial results they trumpetted a $2.2m profit when actually after stripping out government grants they made an operating loss of $125k. So it will be even sweeter when we smash them Round 1 (next year)."
Well that confirms a loss in Round 1 next year
Gary Marsh just STFU will you and let the players do the talking on the field
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Terrific news about Taylor.
The kid is an enormous talent so I really hope he puts his head down from here on in as I think he's an important part of the puzzle.
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Well that confirms a loss in Round 1 next year
Gary Marsh just STFU will you and let the players do the talking on the field
LMAO
Can you tell me the score? I'm over the cricket.
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Wanted to start a new thread for what hopefully is a fresh new beginning or branch for Troy.
Anyone got any updates to how he's going, training?
Only thing I've heard is that his family are coming down to Victoria to live with him.
He's back training at Punt Road right?
All the best to TT.
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He's grown to 192cm :thumbsup
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192cm and 83kg and with a massive leap he's possibly a key position type. Considering Melbourne's KP forwards apart from Watts were 192cm height eg. Bate and Dunn. Jurrah was only 188cm btw. If Taylor happens to grow another 1-2cm or even more look out. Imagine a 193-195cm Taylor running around 8)
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obvious he has a lot of talent but will mean stuff all unless he increases his work ethic and intensity
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192cm and 83kg and with a massive leap he's possibly a key position type. Consdering Melbourne's KP forwards apart from Watts were 192cm height eg. Bate and Dunn. Jurrah was only 188cm btw. If Taylor happens to grow another 1-2cm or even more look out. Imagine a 193-195cm Taylor running around 8)
I dont want to imagine it, i want to see it! :gotigers
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obvious he has a lot of talent but will mean eff all unless he increases his work ethic and intensity
was tackling with ferocity yesterday
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192cm and 83kg and with a massive leap he's possibly a key position type. Consdering Melbourne's KP forwards apart from Watts were 192cm height eg. Bate and Dunn. Jurrah was only 188cm btw. If Taylor happens to grow another 1-2cm or even more look out. Imagine a 193-195cm Taylor running around 8)
I dont want to imagine it, i want to see it! :gotigers
He's only recently turned 19, so there's a decent chance he'll get there 8)
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If Taylor happens to grow another 1-2cm or even more look out. Imagine a 193-195cm Taylor running around 8)
Could we get some nutter backyard doctor to mess with his pituitary gland and get him to 240cm+.
Imagine a 7'8" Taylor running around.
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If Taylor happens to grow another 1-2cm or even more look out. Imagine a 193-195cm Taylor running around 8)
Could we get some nutter backyard doctor to mess with his pituitary gland and get him to 240cm+.
Imagine a 7'8" Taylor running around.
yeeees! :gotigers
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Reprieve for Tiger Taylor
abc.net.au
By Rob Cross
Richmond footballer Troy Taylor has avoided further penalty for breaching sentencing conditions.
Taylor had been ordered to stay out of trouble for four months, after breaching an existing Supreme Court sentence.
The 19-year old failed to meet the conditions when he was convicted by the Alice Springs Magistrates Court for two assaults on New Year's Eve 2009.
The Northern Territory Supreme Court today decided against further penalties, saying it was satisfied Taylor had taken positive steps towards rehabilitation.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/11/3110486.htm?section=justin
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High hopes for this kid. Shows plenty and could be anything if he wants it enough.
GO TIGES !
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i want him to be my favorite player.......
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Maybe he can do a "Richo" type midfield role? What do people reckon?
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Maybe he can do a "Richo" type midfield role? What do people reckon?
Perhaps but needs more bulk. Needs to get up around 88-90Kgs I reckon
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It's funny how we pile expectations on these kids and then rip them down when it goes haywire. It wasn't so long ago that some 'supporters' were calling for Troy to be:
jailed
left in the NT to rot
the last indig player to be drafted, ever
get his marching orders
And now, cos he has put on a couple of cms, which is something way out of his control, we are talking him up.
He needs to get on the track, push himself to his limits and present himself as being physically and mentally ready to play senior football.
Then he needs to be a consistent player. Forget about the x-factor excitement stuff. Too many players are cursed with this. I want him to bust a gut and be the best he can be. If this means he takes one less speccy a week and gets five more hard ball gets then I will applaud him.
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I want him to be a cross between Adam Goodes, Buddy Franklin & Jimmy Krakouer and if he doesn't achieve this R1 2011 then delist the spud
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Thats just unrealistic gerk. He's too tall to be anything like Jimmy Krakouer.
Daryl White would be a more realistic option.
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excuses.
dud. delist.
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I want him to be a cross between Adam Goodes, Buddy Franklin & Jimmy Krakouer and if he doesn't achieve this R1 2011 then delist the spud
I thought Taylor was Goodes twin brother, now your confusing me ??? ??? ???
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Interesting the comparisons with some other players regarding his height:
Goodes - 194cm
Lockett - 191cm
Lloyd - 192cm
Lucas - 192cm
Roughead - 193cm
Bradshaw - 191cm
Lynch - 193cm
Hall - 194cm
At 192cm it certainly won't be height that stops him from becoming a KPP.
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I thought Taylor was Goodes twin brother, now your confusing me ??? ??? ???
That's the guy we didn't draft instead of Hislop ;)
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Has showed promise. Played well in Port game. Believe he can make it as a player just need to be patient
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Has showed promise. Played well in Port game. Believe he can make it as a player just need to be patient
:thumbsup :thumbsup
Absolutely. Has enormous raw talent.
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Has showed promise. Played well in Port game. Believe he can make it as a player just need to be patient
:thumbsup :thumbsup
Absolutely. Has enormous raw talent.
Exactly raw. Need to find a way to extract it for benefit of player club and supporters vocal in their support of him. Well worth keeping the faith at this point in time. Cashing in on our investment won't be too far away.
Kicked the goal that would have put us in front in that Port game last year until the maggots intervened. ::)
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Taylor made for round one
richmondfc.com.au
By Nat Edwards
1:54 PM Thu 03 Feb, 2011
RICHMOND forward Troy Taylor looks set to be available for round-one selection following his return to the club after missing several weeks of the pre-season.
Battling personal issues, the 19-year-old returned home to Alice Springs at the beginning of November last year, with the club unsure whether he would return.
After an absence of three weeks, Taylor returned to the club and since then has impressed coach Damien Hardwick and earned a spot in Friday night's clash with the Indigenous All-Stars.
"He had a couple of things he needed to sort out," Hardwick said on Thursday morning from Punt Road Oval.
"We're more than confident that he'll be right and put himself in a good place to hopefully make a game in round one.
"He's had a terrific pre-season and he's been very, very impressive in the games he's had with us thus far."
Despite falling behind the rest of the group in fitness, Hardwick was confident Taylor would be able to catch up in time for the start of the home and away season and was making positive steps towards adapting to the demands of AFL life.
"The one thing we like is that he's really settled at the moment," Hardwick said.
"It does take some players, indigenous or not, time to settle into a new environment, but he's in a really good spot at the moment and we're really happy with the way he's going."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/107279/default.aspx
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Inspired Troy Taylor to try again
Sam Edmund
Herald Sun
February 04, 2011
RICHMOND forward Troy Taylor says he has been energised in the lead-up to a make-or-break season by a week spent at his first AFL Indigenous Camp.
In his first interview as a Tiger, the teenager revealed he had been buoyed by the interaction with indigenous greats Adam Goodes and Michael O'Loughlin.
"It inspires me to see how far guys like 'Micky O' and Andrew McLeod have gone in their careers," Taylor said. "Anything is possible after you hear what they have to say."
Taylor, 19, arrived at Richmond through the 2009 draft, with the club aware he had a range of complex personal issues. The latest bubbled to the surface in October, when he failed to show for training.
"I knew what I needed to do to get back on track and that was really the only hiccup I had. It was just family issues," Taylor said.
Taylor, out of contract at the end of the year, said he was grateful to Richmond for giving him breathing space at a difficult time.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said yesterday Taylor had been "very, very impressive" in the past month and was in the mix for Round 1 against Carlton.
Taylor will tonight play for Richmond against the indigenous team.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/inspired-troy-taylor-to-try-again/story-e6frf9jf-1225999877854
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Just had a dream he was bog in tonites game. :pray
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Just had a dream he was bog in tonites game. :pray
that would be some effort since its been cancelled ;D
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Just had a dream he was bog in tonites game. :pray
that would be some effort since its been cancelled ;D
Or dead easy if he's the only one that runs out. ;D
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Just had a dream he was bog in tonites game. :pray
that would be some effort since its been cancelled ;D
Or dead easy if he's the only one that runs out. ;D
Dang.
For the record, we went on to be 10 and 1 at round 11, then capitulated. :help
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Just had a dream he was bog in tonites game. :pray
I had a dream about a car last night.
Woke up with a horn.
Boom Tish :woohoo
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2011 Richmond Player Countdown - 44 Troy Taylor
This kid a serious potential. We only saw a glimpse of Troy’s talent in 2010 but what we saw in his four games left fans asking for more. The mid-sized forward seemed to have very sticky hands for a player of his size and he definitely has the ability to kick a goal. The problem for Richmond will be harnessing this potential. Troy had a much publicised court case during the 2010 season and was a late starter to the 2011 pre-season training due to personal reasons back in the Northern Territory.
With the court case now a thing of the past and his close family now living in Melbourne it would be hoped that Troy can focus fully on his football in 2011. I foresee a bright future at Richmond Football Club for young Taylor and I’m hoping we will see plenty more of this kid playing in the yellow and black this year. As a forward there is no doubt he provides that X-Factor that the team so sorely needs. With a near full pre-season under his belt I can see no reason why Troy can’t play in nearly all of the Richmond games in 2011.
http://fightingfury.tumblr.com/
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Richmond's renegade teen Troy Taylor back on track after crisis
Sam Edmund
Herald Sun
February 25, 2011
RICHMOND teenager Troy Taylor quit footy during a tumultuous off-season, before his career was saved by a last-ditch visit from social workers.
Taylor was loaded into a car outside the West Australian town of Geraldton and driven five hours south to Perth.
The 19-year-old had missed the start of pre-season training at Punt Rd, with club officials fearing their gamble on the precocious talent had backfired.
Speaking for the first time about his troubled off-season, Taylor told the Herald Sun he had pulled the pin.
"Yeah, about a month before the start of pre-season I had a few ups and downs where I wasn't sure if I was going to come back here or not," Taylor said.
The young forward had gone to visit his estranged father in an indigenous community outside Geraldton about four months ago. Already homesick, he reached the point where he had given up on an AFL career.
He would not return calls from his family, friends, manager or exasperated Richmond officials, and refused to board flights booked for him as the situation became desperate.
Taylor's mum, Tania Dudgeon, said her son was caught in a negative environment.
"He had a fight with his father and just went really silly and did a lot of drinking," she said.
"There was a stage where I was ready to jump on the plane from Alice Springs and go down and pick him up myself, because he just wasn't listening to anybody."
So serious was the situation that officers from indigenous behavioural change program, Clontarf, were called upon to extricate Taylor.
Complicating matters was the personal issue that required urgent attention in Alice Springs and was the main reason behind his late start to training at Punt Rd.
While Taylor is still a huge challenge for Richmond, the AFL and his family, he could yet become the game's greatest success story.
Those who know him well say he's as confident and settled in Melbourne as he's ever been.
Close friend and confidant Tim Lawrence admitted he was unsure how Taylor's story would end, but said the outlook got brighter all the time.
"Each day we go through, each game he plays, each training session he gets through and each meeting he attends you just feel like he's taking another step away from that former life," Lawrence said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-renegade-teen-troy-taylor-back-on-track-after-crisis/story-e6frf9jf-1226011646415
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Those who know him well say he's as confident and settled in Melbourne as he's ever been.
Close friend and confidant Tim Lawrence admitted he was unsure how Taylor's story would end, but said the outlook got brighter all the time.
"Each day we go through, each game he plays, each training session he gets through and each meeting he attends you just feel like he's taking another step away from that former life," Lawrence said.
Positive signs given the obvious low depths he was at prior to the preseason. Hopefully Football helps Troy find inner happiness as well give him the opportunity of a successful/positive life if he works hard at it.
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A number of these communities are truly dysfunctional and as his mum said negative environments for varied reasons. Not a great environment for someone already with issues to spending any great amount of time, if any all.
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Troy interviewed after lasty night's game....
Video on the mainpage of the RFC website - http://richmondfc.com.au
* First game back in a while. Hurt his knee in round 4 and then did it properly in round 5 so missed most of last year. Played last two games.
* Traegar Park ground a bit different to Melbourne but got use to it after a couple of quarters.
* He spent 9 months in Alice Springs. Darwin home but has family and cousins in Alice. Had mum and brothers watching the game.
* Like having a crack at a mark.
* Aim this year is to play as many games as he can. Doesn't have any injuries at the moment. Likes play half forward/forward pocket.
* Been settled (at Richmond) for a while. Like home for him now. Morton and Dusty are his closest mates at the club.
* Really hard to move away from home. Struggled for the whole of the first year. Injury made it tougher as you're not playing or training with the boys. When you're fit it makes it easier. Takes time to eventually get use to it.
* Training with indigenous All-Stars was good. Got a lot out of it especially from the older boys like Goodesy.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/108453/default.aspx
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According to club. He's back in NT indefinetly. :(
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Taylor returns home indefinitely
Richmond player Troy Taylor has returned to the Northern Territory for an indefinite period, for personal reasons.
"The Club will continue to support Troy as he deals with these issues," Richmond General Manager of Football Craig Cameron said.
"He will spend this time away from the Club and make a decision on whether he wants to continue his AFL career."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/110461/default.aspx
Cut him loose I say and promote Contin.
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yep, if true. Enough is enough
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goodbye good luck
shut the door on your way out pal
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Just sad :(
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Just sad :(
agree an obvious talent but seems to much going through his head...
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Just sad :(
agree an obvious talent but seems to much going through his head...
Really hope he can settle himself, leaving for a second time is not a good sign though. He is an obvious talent and has increased strength and size from last year, much taller this season also. Would have been good to see him play! :-[
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FFS :banghead
How hard is it to develop some indigenous talent?
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I wouldnt cut him from the list. Just keep him on for now. Its pretty obvious he doesnt like Melbourne but that doesnt mean that he wouldnt like another city like Perth. So in that instance, we keep him on the list and we trade him for a decent pick in return. Its a real shame IMHO, he's got tremendous ability and could have set himself up for life at Richmond.
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Life is simpler for some than others.
Has talent so I hope he sorts himself out.
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I know he was back playing at Coburg in the last week or so but didn't Troy cop an injury about month ago from memory?
Just curious as he said after coming back to Melbourne last time he got very down on himself when he was out injured. As JVT says he really needs to settle himself.
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Very disappointing.
I just don't understand it. He seemed happy weeks ago when interviewed. Reasons he wanted to go home was because he was injured couldn't train and was just stuck in Melbourne with nothing to do except rehab which he hated.
Now he's fit flying and done all the hard work in the Pre Season. Maybe he expected to play Seniors straight away and doesn't want to pay his dues in the 2's for a few years.
Shame for us, the club and Troy
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What your mum used to say :shh
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Hopefully we can long term injury list him and elevate another rookie
(Although we only elevated one before the season when we could do two so perhaps we feel none of the others are ready)
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Just hope we don't cut this kid, get nothing for him and he comes back for another team and explodes!! (sound familiar to anyone :banghead)
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Just hope we don't cut this kid, get nothing for him and he comes back for another team and explodes!! (sound familiar to anyone :banghead)
Dean Polo?
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ramps we both knew he would be back
all u wankers out there go dig a hole and shove ur head in it
bump.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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wasnt recruiting dick brain
taylor is unproven, what has he done
He is NIL defensive skills
And is a POOR kick, dont you go to the games, eg Last round against Port
Bump
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ramps we both knew he would be back
all u wankers out there go dig a hole and shove ur head in it
bump.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
X would know more than me about what could happen next. Suffice to say, I wouldnt be surprised once again if he comes back although this time its more problematic. Lets hope for his own sake, whatever he decides turns out for the best for him. Hes just a kid thats all.
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Takes a real wanker to want a kid to fail jackstar
You are a proper tool
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If we cut him Collingwood will pick him up straight away
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had the opportunity, doesnt want to work hard enough, yet another "Carl Petersen"
Kicking is suspect as well
Also , anyone who wears bright green boots in the first game loses me straight away
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Just hope we don't cut this kid, get nothing for him and he comes back for another team and explodes!! (sound familiar to anyone :banghead)
Peterson (for half a year)
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Takes a real wanker to want a kid to fail jackstar
You are a proper tool
mate, i dont want anyone to fail
reality is that his kicking is suspect and doesnt want to work hard enough.
Footy clubs have to be "brutal "' to succeed.
Similar to what Collingwood did with Chris Egan, straight out the door.
No room for passengers on lists.
Sorry if that offends people, but bad luck, we aint a charity.
You shouldnt find the RFC under C for Charitys in the yellow pages.
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had the opportunity, does want to work hard enough, yet another "Carl Petersen"
Kicking is suspect as well
Also , anyone who wears bright green boots in the first game loses me straight away
You really do have a problem with boots dont ya ;D ;D
Hopefully we can long term injury list him and elevate another rookie
(Although we only elevated one before the season when we could do two so perhaps we feel none of the others are ready)
How can we long term injury list him if he isn't injured
And btw I find it funny how everyone is carrying on about this and what the club should do when none of us have a clue as to what the personal reasons are....
Would love to know what would be deemed to be acceptable personal reasons for people on here
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Takes a real wanker to want a kid to fail jackstar
You are a proper tool
mate, i dont want anyone to fail
reality is that his kicking is suspect and doesnt want to work hard enough.
Footy clubs have to be "brutal "' to succeed.
Similar to what Collingwood did with Chris Egan, straight out the door.
No room for passengers on lists.
Sorry if that offends people, but bad luck, we aint a charity.
You shouldnt find the RFC under C for Charitys in the yellow pages.
Its gotta be them bright coloured boots :rollin :lol
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i blame no one but our club for failing yet another Indigenous boy. What the hell is wrong with us :banghead :banghead :banghead
This is becoming a problem now, one we need to look at. its a farce how we are home to the indigenous centre yet every single one of them wants to leave our club
Facts are if we are to become a success we cant let guys like this hang around and dictate terms.
We should wait till years end and see if anyone else wants him, if not cut him loose.
In the mean time plenty more players who want to play footy for our club. Goodbye
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dont like players getting ahead of themselves, really bright green boots ::)
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i blame no one but our club for failing yet another Indigenous boy. What the hell is wrong with us :banghead :banghead :banghead
There is nothing wrong with us.
To say the club has failing another indigenous boy is just rubbish we have bent other backward sfor this boy and he would be injail now if it was not for us. So get off your high horse.
By the way which other kids have we failed?
The kid has no idea what he wants to do and has gone walk about again.
After all there is a reason he was taken late in the draft.
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Takes a real wanker to want a kid to fail jackstar
You are a proper tool
mate, i dont want anyone to fail
reality is that his kicking is suspect and doesnt want to work hard enough.
Footy clubs have to be "brutal "' to succeed.
Similar to what Collingwood did with Chris Egan, straight out the door.
No room for passengers on lists.
Sorry if that offends people, but bad luck, we aint a charity.
You shouldnt find the RFC under C for Charitys in the yellow pages.
Chris Egan was at Collingwood for 4 years, hardly straight out the door
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How can we long term injury list him if he isn't injured
Pretty sure we can, more like an "Inactive" list, which means they simply cannot play for at least 8 weeks
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i blame no one but our club for failing yet another Indigenous boy. What the hell is wrong with us :banghead :banghead :banghead
There is nothing wrong with us.
To say the club has failing another indigenous boy is just rubbish we have bent other backward sfor this boy and he would be injail now if it was not for us. So get off your high horse.
By the way which other kids have we failed?
The kid has no idea what he wants to do and has gone walk about again.
After all there is a reason he was taken late in the draft.
how do you explain within 2 months we have had 2 players go walk about. Roberts being the other.
Wasnt he living on his own before Morton took him under his wing. Great move that one.
Facts are we have had 2 great indigenous boys over the last 30 years. The rest have gone walk about or havent been that good.
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i blame no one but our club for failing yet another Indigenous boy. What the hell is wrong with us :banghead :banghead :banghead
There is nothing wrong with us.
To say the club has failing another indigenous boy is just rubbish we have bent other backward sfor this boy and he would be injail now if it was not for us. So get off your high horse.
By the way which other kids have we failed?
The kid has no idea what he wants to do and has gone walk about again.
After all there is a reason he was taken late in the draft.
how do you explain within 2 months we have had 2 players go walk about. Roberts being the other.
Wasnt he living on his own before Morton took him under his wing. Great move that one.
Facts are we have had 2 great indigenous boys over the last 30 years. The rest have gone walk about or havent been that good.
Reasonably naive post daniel.
There are plenty of players that give up and can't handle football life, indigenous or not.
Both players arent in the best 22. Alot of the 'going home' stories are on the back of players thinking they should be playing AFL instead of reserves and are sick of trying to make it and just give up. Relton believed he would play 22 games at Richmond. He played a couple and was clearly not upto it, so he gave up. Troy maybe in the same boat, wants to play Senior footy but isn't willing to do the extra hard work.
Our other Indigenous boys Tambling and JON were cut and traded. Edwards is still playing and arguably is in our best 22.
None are Cyril Riolis or Liam Jurrahs but hardly the clubs fault that a couple of Indigenous boys fail to make the grade and quit.
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Takes a real wanker to want a kid to fail jackstar
You are a proper tool
mate, i dont want anyone to fail
reality is that his kicking is suspect and doesnt want to work hard enough.
Footy clubs have to be "brutal "' to succeed.
Similar to what Collingwood did with Chris Egan, straight out the door.
No room for passengers on lists.
Sorry if that offends people, but bad luck, we aint a charity.
You shouldnt find the RFC under C for Charitys in the yellow pages.
Jackstar is right, however the delivery could be posted better.
The kid just needs to get into his head that he has the chance to have the next 10-12 years as a footballer not everything has to come at once and be patient.
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he has no long term future in melbourne Im afraid, would appear to me his personal issues seem overwhelming compared to the lure of a career as an elite athlete, shame but it happens cut him loose and move on :-\
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Fcking prick.
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If we cut him Collingwood will pick him up straight away
Yep, this was the first thing that popped into my head when I heard the news. They were super keen on him in that years draft.
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i blame no one but our club for failing yet another Indigenous boy. What the hell is wrong with us :banghead :banghead :banghead
There is nothing wrong with us.
To say the club has failing another indigenous boy is just rubbish we have bent other backward sfor this boy and he would be injail now if it was not for us. So get off your high horse.
By the way which other kids have we failed?The kid has no idea what he wants to do and has gone walk about again.
After all there is a reason he was taken late in the draft.
Depends how far you want to go back. Think this is our biggest problem - welfare and development, which feeds the culture of the club.
Players I think we have failed since 2000:
Krak, McGrath, Rodan, Sipthorp, Schulz, Weller, Raines, Hartigan, Roach, Gilmore, Limbach, Polo, Pattison, Meyer, Tambling, Humm, Casserley, Hughes, JON, Collins, Peterson, Collard, Putt, Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan.....
Think all those players could have made the grade but did not get the support to reach their peak.
And this is the thing that freaks me about the FTF.
First we deal with the oval, then the TPP, then the seconds team and lastly the area of development (if we have any money left for that).
We are losing players and failing to develop others and we worry about the surface of Punt Road. Scary prioritizing.
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footy clubs need to be brutal
No passengers allowed
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I bet you if Richmond had just won a flag,he wouldn't have left.
We have a bad image and it bloody will not improve until we start winning bloody games and EARN RESPECT from players.
Last week 14 points in front,everything to play for,a chance of 5 k extra members,more money coming into the FTF and we throw the game away.
stuff.
I say give the bloke another chance.
At least we can protect our investment.
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jack has a point..our club needs to tuffen up here.
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stiff skata,
cya!
If the club is serious about getting better they will pull together and cut loose anyone who isnt 100% committed to the cause Troy obviously isnt. The kids obviously got issues, we've helped out plenty but it's just not going to work, cya later and good luck. We've got a couple of kids on the rookie list that would take a bullet for their chance to make an AFL list, give em a go and be done with it. Send a msg to the playing list we need to pull together, all in or all out no grey areas, your either in or eff off!
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how do you explain within 2 months we have had 2 players go walk about. Roberts being the other.
Newsflash for you daniel;
1. He didn't walk out - FACT
2. He was released in July/August 2010 by the club - which btw the majority on here thought was the right call by the club
Wasnt he living on his own before Morton took him under his wing. Great move that one.
NO he wasn't. He was with a host family when he first came to Melb and he moved out to move in with Mitch
But hey don't let a few facts get in the way of a good rant :thumbsup
And btw I find it funny how everyone is carrying on about this and what the club should do when none of us have a clue as to what the personal reasons are....
Would love to know what would be deemed to be acceptable personal reasons for people on here
Isn't anyone going to answer this one ;D
Lot of assuming going on here as to why he has asked to be allowed to go home.
Reality is no one here knows the reasons and until we do the ranting is based on guess work
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poo effort, Troy.
i supported you after the last runaway, but not this time. How about repaying the club that has kept you out of the slammer and given you the opportunity to set yourself and your family up for life?
'Cultural issues' my ass.
This is why he sliped so low in the draft. Foolish and lazy.
I can see it now, he'l bugger off for a couple of years, and then come back and dominate for effing Collingwood. :banghead
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poo effort, Troy.
i supported you after the last runaway, but not this time. How about repaying the club that has kept you out of the slammer and given you the opportunity to set yourself and your family up for life?
'Cultural issues' my ass.
This is why he sliped so low in the draft. Foolish and lazy.
I can see it now, he'l bugger off for a couple of years, and then come back and dominate for effing Collingwood. :banghead
agree, although he wont come back.
most other clubs knew about the issues, thus he went late in the draft, Total waste of a pick
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how do you explain within 2 months we have had 2 players go walk about. Roberts being the other.
Newsflash for you daniel;
1. He didn't walk out - FACT
2. He was released in July/August 2010 by the club - which btw the majority on here thought was the right call by the club
Wasnt he living on his own before Morton took him under his wing. Great move that one.
NO he wasn't. He was with a host family when he first came to Melb and he moved out to move in with Mitch
But hey don't let a few facts get in the way of a good rant :thumbsup
And btw I find it funny how everyone is carrying on about this and what the club should do when none of us have a clue as to what the personal reasons are....
Would love to know what would be deemed to be acceptable personal reasons for people on here
Isn't anyone going to answer this one ;D
Lot of assuming going on here as to why he has asked to be allowed to go home.
Reality is no one here knows the reasons and until we do the ranting is based on guess work
WP thats not being answered bc really who gives an eff? He seems to be the only player that needs to go home and sort stuff out, once for extenuating circumstances one can accept, twice in 6 months smells rotten. Not worth the hassle, sounds cold but I really dont give a stuff anymore. Waste of time, he's grossly overated anyhow
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WP thats not being answered bc really who gives an eff? He seems to be the only player that needs to go home and sort stuff out, once for extenuating circumstances one can accept, twice in 6 months smells rotten. Not worth the hassle, sounds cold but I really dont give a stuff anymore. Waste of time, he's grossly overated anyhow
Look I have idea why he has gone this time but everyone is assuming the reasons why...
Simply the only reason I am asking tony_m is what happens this time round if he has gone home because there is something seriously wrong (eg a severely ill family member) isn't the kid allowed to go home for that?
Last year Alroy Gilligan went home indefinitely because his grandmother was gravely ill (she did pass away) and alot of people on here were scathing on him saying he had walked on the club because the club said he gone home for "personal reason" and gave (rightly IMHO) no definitive explaination. Then rumour mongers started suggesting he had simply walked out. So based on rumours rather than fact because no on at the time knew why he'd gone the criticism directed at him was so far off the mark it wasn't funny
As I said we don't know the real reason why he's gone this time but it seems to me that it would matter what the reasons are they wouldn't be valid anyway
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WP thats not being answered bc really who gives an eff? He seems to be the only player that needs to go home and sort stuff out, once for extenuating circumstances one can accept, twice in 6 months smells rotten. Not worth the hassle, sounds cold but I really dont give a stuff anymore. Waste of time, he's grossly overated anyhow
Look I have idea why he has gone this time but everyone is assuming the reasons why...
Simply the only reason I am asking tony_m is what happens this time round if he has gone home because there is something seriously wrong (eg a severely ill family member) isn't the kid allowed to go home for that?
Last year Alroy Gilligan went home indefinitely because his grandmother was gravely ill (she did pass away) and alot of people on here were scathing on him saying he had walked on the club because the club said he gone home for "personal reason" and gave (rightly IMHO) no definitive explaination. Then rumour mongers started suggesting he had simply walked out. So based on rumours rather than fact because no on at the time knew why he'd gone the criticism directed at him was so far off the mark it wasn't funny
As I said we don't know the real reason why he's gone this time but it seems to me that it would matter what the reasons are they wouldn't be valid anyway
Is it really that hard(or bad) for the club to come out and say a family member is gravely ill etc? I dont think there would be one person who wouldn't sympathise in those type of circumstances, msgs of support would come in thick and fast and show Troy what being part of the tiger family is all about(would actually help lift the spirits imo). Until then people will assume the worst especially if the said person has history like TT. Maybe I should put down "if its what i think it is, ie just too bloody lazy to fully commit to AFL footy, then I will be ropable that the club is even giving him the chance". ;)
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how do you explain within 2 months we have had 2 players go walk about. Roberts being the other.
Newsflash for you daniel;
1. He didn't walk out - FACT
2. He was released in July/August 2010 by the club - which btw the majority on here thought was the right call by the club
Wasnt he living on his own before Morton took him under his wing. Great move that one.
NO he wasn't. He was with a host family when he first came to Melb and he moved out to move in with Mitch
But hey don't let a few facts get in the way of a good rant :thumbsup
And btw I find it funny how everyone is carrying on about this and what the club should do when none of us have a clue as to what the personal reasons are....
Would love to know what would be deemed to be acceptable personal reasons for people on here
Isn't anyone going to answer this one ;D
Lot of assuming going on here as to why he has asked to be allowed to go home.
Reality is no one here knows the reasons and until we do the ranting is based on guess work
WP thats not being answered bc really who gives an eff? He seems to be the only player that needs to go home and sort stuff out, once for extenuating circumstances one can accept, twice in 6 months smells rotten. Not worth the hassle, sounds cold but I really dont give a stuff anymore. Waste of time, he's grossly overated anyhow
Grossly overated :thumbsup
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I'm disappointed but not gutted.
The boy barely played senior footy in the last 12 months and although he showed flashes of glimpses the kid was still 19 or so. Yeah if he stayed he would have been worth the risk. Lets keep the kid on the list and see what we can get out of it in terms of a trade if indeed it is determined it is the our club that is the issue or its another club that he wants to be at e.g in S.A or W.A.
I would not think it is our club personally as we have stood by the boy and all the issues but maybe in the long run this may be a good thing as him staying when he does not want to be here may bring down morale at the club.
Lets worry how we can benefit from this from now on and if he does not want to be here goodbye and good luck.
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i blame no one but our club for failing yet another Indigenous boy. What the hell is wrong with us :banghead :banghead :banghead
There is nothing wrong with us.
To say the club has failing another indigenous boy is just rubbish we have bent other backward sfor this boy and he would be injail now if it was not for us. So get off your high horse.
By the way which other kids have we failed?The kid has no idea what he wants to do and has gone walk about again.
After all there is a reason he was taken late in the draft.
Depends how far you want to go back. Think this is our biggest problem - welfare and development, which feeds the culture of the club.
Players I think we have failed since 2000:
Krak, McGrath, Rodan, Sipthorp, Schulz, Weller, Raines, Hartigan, Roach, Gilmore, Limbach, Polo, Pattison, Meyer, Tambling, Humm, Casserley, Hughes, JON, Collins, Peterson, Collard, Putt, Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan.....
Think all those players could have made the grade but did not get the support to reach their peak.
And this is the thing that freaks me about the FTF.
First we deal with the oval, then the TPP, then the seconds team and lastly the area of development (if we have any money left for that).
We are losing players and failing to develop others and we worry about the surface of Punt Road. Scary prioritizing.
complete disgrace that the money is used on development as a last resort. I just cant understand that i really cant.
we have a serious problem, a problem thats been around for 30 years, that only money can fix
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i blame no one but our club for failing yet another Indigenous boy. What the hell is wrong with us :banghead :banghead :banghead
There is nothing wrong with us.
To say the club has failing another indigenous boy is just rubbish we have bent other backward sfor this boy and he would be injail now if it was not for us. So get off your high horse.
By the way which other kids have we failed?The kid has no idea what he wants to do and has gone walk about again.
After all there is a reason he was taken late in the draft.
Depends how far you want to go back. Think this is our biggest problem - welfare and development, which feeds the culture of the club.
Players I think we have failed since 2000:
Krak, McGrath, Rodan, Sipthorp, Schulz, Weller, Raines, Hartigan, Roach, Gilmore, Limbach, Polo, Pattison, Meyer, Tambling, Humm, Casserley, Hughes, JON, Collins, Peterson, Collard, Putt, Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan.....
Think all those players could have made the grade but did not get the support to reach their peak.
And this is the thing that freaks me about the FTF.
First we deal with the oval, then the TPP, then the seconds team and lastly the area of development (if we have any money left for that).
We are losing players and failing to develop others and we worry about the surface of Punt Road. Scary prioritizing.
complete disgrace that the money is used on development as a last resort. I just cant understand that i really cant.
we have a serious problem, a problem thats been around for 30 years, that only money can fix
You really just kick off on any issue you can
Please point out where the club has said the FTF money put development last?
Without looking it up, the words the club used for the remaining funds if they raised the target $6mil was "elite performance", I'd hardly consider them putting development coaches last on the list based on the use of that term
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how do you explain within 2 months we have had 2 players go walk about. Roberts being the other.
Newsflash for you daniel;
1. He didn't walk out - FACT
2. He was released in July/August 2010 by the club - which btw the majority on here thought was the right call by the club
Wasnt he living on his own before Morton took him under his wing. Great move that one.
NO he wasn't. He was with a host family when he first came to Melb and he moved out to move in with Mitch
But hey don't let a few facts get in the way of a good rant :thumbsup
And btw I find it funny how everyone is carrying on about this and what the club should do when none of us have a clue as to what the personal reasons are....
Would love to know what would be deemed to be acceptable personal reasons for people on here
Isn't anyone going to answer this one ;D
Lot of assuming going on here as to why he has asked to be allowed to go home.
Reality is no one here knows the reasons and until we do the ranting is based on guess work
sorry WP if he didnt go home then where did he go. He has left and with Roberts 2 completely wasted draft picks
We are not in a position to waste draft picks and those 2 have been a waste.
Throw in Hislop and you have to wonder what the hell were we thinking. The risks were there for all to read and see yet we took him in and left him with a host family to adjust to life in Melbourne
We have a serious development and IMO is why we constantly fail as a football club
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They were known to be risky picks which is why they didn't use early ones on them
For Geez sake you would think Roberts & Taylor were picks 1 & 2 the way you are reacting
Name one club who has a 100% success rate with their picks?
It was being conservative with our picks and not wanting a player that could be a complete bust which caused us to take Tambling over Franklin. He had massive question marks over his attitude which is why he slipped to Pick 5.
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They were known to be risky picks which is why they didn't use early ones on them
For Geez sake you would think Roberts & Taylor were picks 1 & 2 the way you are reacting
Name one club who has a 100% success rate with their picks?
It was being conservative with our picks and not wanting a player that could be a complete bust which caused us to take Tambling over Franklin. He had massive question marks over his attitude which is why he slipped to Pick 5.
Listen mate i want this club to be the best, but to lose 2 blokes so early in their short careers is a waste.
Last time i checked we dont have depth so every pick is crucial and e dont need to take risks like we did here.
We recruited one bloke who was eating hamburgers at Coburg and another who has gone home for the second time in 3 months.
You think we dont have a problem in development, well your in denial
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Both guys have been fringe players at best Daniel.
It is unfortunate both players have gone back home but I would rather have kids who want to be here than kids who are off back home every few months. I thought the club handled this well and did what they have to do.
I wouldn't let a few kids who just did not want to follow the straight and narrow path to tarnish the Hardwick regime in terms of selection. Lets just wait and see how Nason Webberley Martin Dea Astbury Griffiths Batchelor Derickx Conca Helbig and anyone elese who I have failed to mention develop over the next few years before we start bringing out old chestnuts from the past that have defined the RFC.
I am positive not every kid that has been selected in the draft or Dimma has brought in post the end of the 2009 season will play 200 games. Would be nice but I do not think so. Let's just wait and see and lets not black mark a bloke 23 games into a 66 game contract who hasn't done much wrong in the first 23 games IMHO.
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we knew the risk when we drafted him its why he dropped to 51 and us. i wonder if we dont regularly take players too early. its not just taylor but some much earlier picks as well.
personally for me craig cameron should go so should francis jackson. i dont say this lightly but ive seen enough of cameron at both melbourne and richmond. want to win a premiership we have to upgrade. just like we do with half our list.
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i blame no one but our club for failing yet another Indigenous boy. What the hell is wrong with us :banghead :banghead :banghead
There is nothing wrong with us.
To say the club has failing another indigenous boy is just rubbish we have bent other backward sfor this boy and he would be injail now if it was not for us. So get off your high horse.
By the way which other kids have we failed?The kid has no idea what he wants to do and has gone walk about again.
After all there is a reason he was taken late in the draft.
Depends how far you want to go back. Think this is our biggest problem - welfare and development, which feeds the culture of the club.
Players I think we have failed since 2000:
Krak, McGrath, Rodan, Sipthorp, Schulz, Weller, Raines, Hartigan, Roach, Gilmore, Limbach, Polo, Pattison, Meyer, Tambling, Humm, Casserley, Hughes, JON, Collins, Peterson, Collard, Putt, Roberts, Taylor, Gilligan.....
Think all those players could have made the grade but did not get the support to reach their peak.
And this is the thing that freaks me about the FTF.
First we deal with the oval, then the TPP, then the seconds team and lastly the area of development (if we have any money left for that).
We are losing players and failing to develop others and we worry about the surface of Punt Road. Scary prioritizing.
Punt Rd Oval surface is a paddock and needs a complete resurfacing. We can't have players missing 6 weeks of preseason training as Postie did just because the oval surface is a injury-trap. We were so far behind in every area that every area needed revamping from the 1970s into the 21st century.
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Well it's a real shame, lets hope he gives it one more go at least. Unfortunately I feel can't let his family go, or they won't let him go....I could be wrong though.
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And btw I find it funny how everyone is carrying on about this and what the club should do when none of us have a clue as to what the personal reasons are....
Would love to know what would be deemed to be acceptable personal reasons for people on here
Isn't anyone going to answer this one ;D
Lot of assuming going on here as to why he has asked to be allowed to go home.
Reality is no one here knows the reasons and until we do the ranting is based on guess work
Yep us on the outside can only guess.
Danny Daly provided some answers just over a week ago to some of the questions repeated in this thread. Given these responses were only a week back we can only guess something has happened or changed in the past 7 days for Troy to leave again.
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just how good could troy taylor be if he gets his head right ?
First of all, Troy's mental state is not of a concern to the football club. Troy has the capabilities to be a very good player for us in the future. Over the past month he has really got back to training hard and has gotten over a couple of injury concerns he had and you'll find that he will be in our senior side in the coming weeks.
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Is their any reason why the club stopped recruiting Indigenous players
The club doesnt have a philosophy of not recruiting indigenous players, if anything our recruiting staff spend a lot of time searching for indigenous players throughout the Northern Territory and Australia. Unfortunately this year any players that were of interest were grabbed before we had the opportunity to take them, but moving forward I think you'll see that there will be further indigenous players drafted.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12700.0
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They were known to be risky picks which is why they didn't use early ones on them
For Geez sake you would think Roberts & Taylor were picks 1 & 2 the way you are reacting
Name one club who has a 100% success rate with their picks?
It was being conservative with our picks and not wanting a player that could be a complete bust which caused us to take Tambling over Franklin. He had massive question marks over his attitude which is why he slipped to Pick 5.
wrong there Infamy. Hawthorn knew that we didn't want Franklin because he was "hard to handle". Hawthorn knew we wanted Roughead and not Franklin.
Hawthorn wanted both and also knew that Franklin was the supreme player due to their recruiting team actually watching games these boys played. Richmond was basing all their faith on draft talk and media speculation at the time.
On draft day the hawks work it to perfection by picking roughead first so we are forced then to pick Tambling because in our great wisdom and smarts we never wanted to recruit Franklin under any circumstances.
The talk is that Franklin interviewed very badly when our so-called expert recruiter interviewed him. He played the bad boy perfectly and we said no way to him there and then. I think he may have been coached by the hawks to do this.
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When Troy was just out of court & excaped conviction, I made the observation at the time that he should be in jail he is a very lucky boy.
Many people on this site ripped into me for saying that.
Fact is that he gate crashed a party he wasn't invited to and when confronted about it punched the -**/@ out of him. In NT there is a zero tolerance policy. Many indigenous boys don't have the luxury of an AFL club and a potential career as an AFL player to fall back on he was released because of this reason.
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maybe he decided that jail was a better option than playing for the Tigers,besides,he has more mates in there :police:
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Door open as Troy Taylor walks out on Tigers again
Sam Edmund
Herald Sun
April 01, 2011
TROUBLED forward Troy Taylor has stunned family and friends and left Richmond dumbfounded by walking out on the club again.
Taylor played in a VFL practice match for Coburg last weekend, but flew to Darwin without notice on Tuesday.
The Tigers, who have invested countless hours trying to settle the teenager in Melbourne have again left the door open for him. His mother, Tania Dudgeon, said she had been unable to contact Taylor.
"I don't know what's happening. He hasn't said anything, he won't answer his phone. That's what he does," Ms Dudgeon said.
"I'm flying up to Darwin tomorrow. We're going to get a few people talking to him, like (former Footscray and Brisbane player) Michael McLean. We'll find out more tomorrow, hopefully."
Taylor's manager Tom Petroro said it was too early to tell what the future held.
"Troy making the transition to AFL was tougher for him than most kids. We've just had a tough run," Petroro said.
"Troy's got more natural ability than any kid, or most kids, in the competition."
Richmond released a statement yesterday saying Taylor had returned to the Northern Territory for an "indefinite period, for personal reasons".
"He will spend time away from the club and make a decision on whether he wants to continue his AFL career," football manager Craig Cameron said.
It's the second time in five months Taylor has quit football after his career was saved by a last-ditch visit from social workers in Western Australia in October.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/door-open-as-troy-taylor-walks-out-on-tigers-again/story-e6frf9jf-1226031633520
RICHMOND is unsure if forward Troy Taylor will play in the AFL again after returning to the Northern Territory for personal reasons.
Taylor, 19, played four matches in his debut season last year after being picked at No.51 in the 2009 national draft. But he has continued to struggle to adjust to the Melbourne lifestyle and commitment required to be an AFL player.
While some family members want him to pursue his football career, the lure of friends at home in Alice Springs remains strong.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-taylor-returns-to-the-alice-20110331-1cnf5.html
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Very Sad. Has real potential. Hopefully will come back to us
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1. He didn't walk out - FACT
2. He was released in July/August 2010 by the club - which btw the majority on here thought was the right call by the club
sorry WP if he didnt go home then where did he go. He has left and with Roberts 2 completely wasted draft picks
We are not in a position to waste draft picks and those 2 have been a waste.
Throw in Hislop and you have to wonder what the hell were we thinking. The risks were there for all to read and see yet we took him in and left him with a host family to adjust to life in Melbourne
We have a serious development and IMO is why we constantly fail as a football club
daniel, I am not disputing that both blokes have gone home what I was disputing was your assertion that Roberts "walked out on the club" .. Fact is he didn't walk out on the club the club released aka "gave him the flick"
I would think there is a difference :thumbsup
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Maybe there's a party he's not invited to that he feels he has a right to attend, is the reason for the unexpected sudden departure.
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Hawthorn wanted both and also knew that Franklin was the supreme player due to their recruiting team actually watching games these boys played.
How come Hawthorn took a time out straight after Richmond took Tambling at 4 then? Surely they would have selected Franklin without hesitation instead of looking perplexed and needing to have a discussion.
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When Troy was just out of court & excaped conviction, I made the observation at the time that he should be in jail he is a very lucky boy.
Many people on this site ripped into me for saying that.
Fact is that he gate crashed a party he wasn't invited to and when confronted about it punched the -**/@ out of him. In NT there is a zero tolerance policy. Many indigenous boys don't have the luxury of an AFL club and a potential career as an AFL player to fall back on he was released because of this reason.
should check your facts tigra.
It was a street party, not on private residence.
The zero tolerance, or mandatory sentencing, went out about 7 years ago
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footy clubs need to be brutal
No passengers allowed
Showing your true colors there JJ?
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Hawthorn wanted both and also knew that Franklin was the supreme player due to their recruiting team actually watching games these boys played.
How come Hawthorn took a time out straight after Richmond took Tambling at 4 then? Surely they would have selected Franklin without hesitation instead of looking perplexed and needing to have a discussion.
the fact is that the recruiting guy or the football department head can't remember which, went to then president Lord and told him how he was gonna get the 2 best talls in the draft. Heard it on a radio interview.
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When Troy was just out of court & excaped conviction, I made the observation at the time that he should be in jail he is a very lucky boy.
Many people on this site ripped into me for saying that.
Fact is that he gate crashed a party he wasn't invited to and when confronted about it punched the -**/@ out of him. In NT there is a zero tolerance policy. Many indigenous boys don't have the luxury of an AFL club and a potential career as an AFL player to fall back on he was released because of this reason.
should check your facts tigra.
It was a street party, not on private residence.
The zero tolerance, or mandatory sentencing, went out about 7 years ago
ok. But ask how many young indigenous boys would get away with what he did. Now let's analyse this.
Was it a private new years eve party? Yes
Were Taylor and his mates invited? No
Was he asked to leave? Yes
Did he and his mates leave? No
Did he physically assault 3 people? Yes
Was he charged by police? Yes
Was he found guilty? Yes
Did he get off lighly? Yes
Was it because he was at an AFL club & had potential? Yes
Would other indigenous boys have got off so lighlty? I doubt it.
If Infamy had a party and some gate crashers decided to attend & cause trouble would Infamy step in and ask them to leave? I think so
if they kicked his head in, would he be upset and want them to be punished for the crime?
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:lol
Troy Taylor, Relton Roberts :lol
Get a stuffing clue Richmond
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When Troy was just out of court & excaped conviction, I made the observation at the time that he should be in jail he is a very lucky boy.
Many people on this site ripped into me for saying that.
Fact is that he gate crashed a party he wasn't invited to and when confronted about it punched the -**/@ out of him. In NT there is a zero tolerance policy. Many indigenous boys don't have the luxury of an AFL club and a potential career as an AFL player to fall back on he was released because of this reason.
should check your facts tigra.
It was a street party, not on private residence.
The zero tolerance, or mandatory sentencing, went out about 7 years ago
ok. But ask how many young indigenous boys would get away with what he did. Now let's analyse this.
Was it a private new years eve party? Yes
Were Taylor and his mates invited? No
Was he asked to leave? Yes
Did he and his mates leave? No
Did he physically assault 3 people? Yes
Was he charged by police? Yes
Was he found guilty? Yes
Did he get off lighly? Yes
Was it because he was at an AFL club & had potential? Yes
Would other indigenous boys have got off so lighlty? I doubt it.
If Infamy had a party and some gate crashers decided to attend & cause trouble would Infamy step in and ask them to leave? I think so
if they kicked his head in, would he be upset and want them to be punished for the crime?
Interesting that you ask how many indigineous boys, rather than just young boys in general.
The thing is we dont know the full story, but from what was reported troy was physically handled before he retaliated.
Would this had happened if he was white? Was there other people of a different skin color that were univited? It was after all a party in the street.
There is a strong belief that Alice is a racist town and i dont hear too much to contradict this view and plenty to back it up
On the other hand he could have been acting like a total prat, we just will never know.
Is there anything in your beliefs about passing judgment on others? ('specially when you dont know all the facts)
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They were known to be risky picks which is why they didn't use early ones on them
For Geez sake you would think Roberts & Taylor were picks 1 & 2 the way you are reacting
Name one club who has a 100% success rate with their picks?
It was being conservative with our picks and not wanting a player that could be a complete bust which caused us to take Tambling over Franklin. He had massive question marks over his attitude which is why he slipped to Pick 5.
wrong there Infamy. Hawthorn knew that we didn't want Franklin because he was "hard to handle". Hawthorn knew we wanted Roughead and not Franklin.
Hawthorn wanted both and also knew that Franklin was the supreme player due to their recruiting team actually watching games these boys played. Richmond was basing all their faith on draft talk and media speculation at the time.
On draft day the hawks work it to perfection by picking roughead first so we are forced then to pick Tambling because in our great wisdom and smarts we never wanted to recruit Franklin under any circumstances.
The talk is that Franklin interviewed very badly when our so-called expert recruiter interviewed him. He played the bad boy perfectly and we said no way to him there and then. I think he may have been coached by the hawks to do this.
That is 100% Grade A bullsh!t. Even the interview with Gary Buckenara (who was the Hawthorn recruitment manager at the time) right after the 2004 draft they admitted that they tried to force Richmond into taking a tall with one of their picks. There was a real chance that Richmond could have taken Franklin at Pick 4 on the day, if they knew that Franklin was going to be as good as he is then there is no way they would have risked him sliding.
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Hawthorn wanted both and also knew that Franklin was the supreme player due to their recruiting team actually watching games these boys played.
How come Hawthorn took a time out straight after Richmond took Tambling at 4 then? Surely they would have selected Franklin without hesitation instead of looking perplexed and needing to have a discussion.
the fact is that the recruiting guy or the football department head can't remember which, went to then president Lord and told him how he was gonna get the 2 best talls in the draft. Heard it on a radio interview.
That is just the Hawks changing the facts after the event, they not only took a time out but they almost read out the wrong players name.
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can tell you geniuses at the time, there were hesistations on Buddy due to issues..
I seen Richard play at the time and I believed he was the best choice( at the time ).
Richard never went on for various reasons.
Club also had an issue of where to play him, forward back who knows
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Hawthorn wanted both and also knew that Franklin was the supreme player due to their recruiting team actually watching games these boys played.
How come Hawthorn took a time out straight after Richmond took Tambling at 4 then? Surely they would have selected Franklin without hesitation instead of looking perplexed and needing to have a discussion.
the fact is that the recruiting guy or the football department head can't remember which, went to then president Lord and told him how he was gonna get the 2 best talls in the draft. Heard it on a radio interview.
That is just the Hawks changing the facts after the event, they not only took a time out but they almost read out the wrong players name.
So it was the perfect charade by Hawthorn knowing all the time they were going to pick Buddy and Roughy and stooging us in the process and our comeback was to Wallet to start crowing that we had the best players and we were happy with the draft.
That was over 6 years ago and I could not care less anyway. We have a gun forward in Jack and we have a compensation pick for Tambling. Good luck to all parties concerned and lets worry about current issues and tonights game.
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Hawthorn wanted both and also knew that Franklin was the supreme player due to their recruiting team actually watching games these boys played.
How come Hawthorn took a time out straight after Richmond took Tambling at 4 then? Surely they would have selected Franklin without hesitation instead of looking perplexed and needing to have a discussion.
the fact is that the recruiting guy or the football department head can't remember which, went to then president Lord and told him how he was gonna get the 2 best talls in the draft. Heard it on a radio interview.
That is just the Hawks changing the facts after the event, they not only took a time out but they almost read out the wrong players name.
So it was the perfect charade by Hawthorn knowing all the time they were going to pick Buddy and Roughy and stooging us in the process and our comeback was to Wallet to start crowing that we had the best players and we were happy with the draft.
That was over 6 years ago and I could not care less anyway. We have a gun forward in Jack and we have a compensation pick for Tambling. Good luck to all parties concerned and lets worry about current issues and tonights game.
Believe what you like, doesn't make it any more true.
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Troy's dilemma
By Grey Morris
NT News
April 1st, 2011
RICHMOND and former South Alice Springs, Wanderers and NT Thunder utility Troy Taylor's AFL career is again on hold.
The gifted Centralian is staying with family in the Top End as he takes time out to re-assess his AFL aspirations. Taylor has found life in Melbourne and the spotlight placed on him as an AFL footballer a tough assignment.
Possessed with all the skills required to succeed at the elite level, the 19-year-old has battled homesickness and the absence of family since the Tigers selected him at No.51 in the 2009 national draft.
Taylor made his debut with the Tigers last season, playing four games in the black and gold jumper.
Off the field, the fallout from an incident in Alice Springs 15 months ago where he was handed a two-year suspended sentence by the courts, and continued homesickness, has Taylor contemplating his future in the game.
Richmond said Taylor was away for an "indefinite period" while he decided if he would continue playing in the AFL.
"The club will continue to support Troy as he deals with these issues," general manager of football Craig Cameron said.
"He will spend this time away from the club and make a decision on whether he wants to continue his AFL career."
A source close to Richmond said the club had done everything in its power to assist Taylor's transition to Melbourne and the pressures associated with AFL football.
"We're very aware of Troy's prestigious talent and want him to continue to play with Richmond," the source said. "But in the end it is Troy's decision on whether he wants to play in the AFL, he is the person who must say yes or no."
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/04/01/221591_ntsport.html
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get stuffed
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I think it's obvious unless some issues are seriously addressed, and things change for Troy if he does return he's going to go AWOL again.
Something needs drastic change for him to have a long AFL career
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It's a shame the judge didn't put a condition on his suspended sentence that he needed to stay in the AFL environment that helped keep him out of jail in the first place
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It's a shame the judge didn't put a condition on his suspended sentence that he needed to stay in the AFL environment that helped keep him out of jail in the first place
spot on. :thumbsup
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Is there anything in your beliefs about passing judgment on others? ('specially when you dont know all the facts)
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do you really want me to answer this question?
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He's a poofter and hasn't come out yet.
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And btw I find it funny how everyone is carrying on about this and what the club should do when none of us have a clue as to what the personal reasons are....
Would love to know what would be deemed to be acceptable personal reasons for people on here
WP while no-one here knows exactly and fully the reasons why Troy has left and how or if it could be remedied, the article here that was posted in the other Troy Taylor thread does quote his mother saying he was being silly.
Taylor's mum, Tania Dudgeon, said her son was caught in a negative environment.
"He had a fight with his father and just went really silly and did a lot of drinking," she said.
"There was a stage where I was ready to jump on the plane from Alice Springs and go down and pick him up myself, because he just wasn't listening to anybody."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-renegade-teen-troy-taylor-back-on-track-after-crisis/story-e6frf9jf-1226011646415
Note that this was after the club said he was dealing with "cultural issues".
Think this is why so many have little patience for him.
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It's a shame the judge didn't put a condition on his suspended sentence that he needed to stay in the AFL environment that helped keep him out of jail in the first place
spot on. :thumbsup
Yeah, agree with this too.
Is there anything in your beliefs about passing judgment on others? ('specially when you dont know all the facts)
do you really want me to answer this question?
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;D
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Thunder: No move on Taylor
Grey Morris
NT News
April 17th, 2011
TERRITORY Thunder is yet to talk to troubled Richmond forward Troy Taylor, the club's chief executive Stuart Totham said last night.
Taylor was given more time off by the Tigers last month to prioritise his football future.
"We haven't spoken to him," Totham told the Sunday Territorian yesterday.
"He's up here (Darwin) somewhere, isn't he?"
The former Wanderers and South Alice Springs footballer has not adjusted to Melbourne's hectic lifestyle since arriving at Punt Rd via the 2009 AFL draft.
Off the field, the fallout from an incident in Alice Springs 15 months ago in which he was handed a two-year suspended sentence by the courts and continued homesickness, has Taylor contemplating his future in the game.
"Agreed! Surely another aspiring NT lad can be given a chance at the big time. Give Taylor a wide berth."
Richmond says Taylor, 19, is away for an "indefinite period" while he decides if AFL football and all the scrutiny that goes along with it is for him.
Taylor was part of the Thunder program before Richmond picked him at No.51 in the '09 national draft.
He has played four league games in a Tiger jumper and booted three
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/04/17/225491_ntsport.html
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-troy-taylor-unlikely-to-return-to-melbourne/story-e6frf9jf-1226042463557
"He's just up there and he's doing nothing," Dudgeon said.
"I went up there (Darwin) and we had a few people speak to him, like Michael McLean and a couple of his uncles.
"He's been telling people that he's coming back, but he's still there.
"I tried to have a talk to him but he was just saying, 'I'm not going back Mum, they don't do what they're supposed to do for me.
" 'I want a house ... they haven't helped me and how many times do I have to ask them?' "
It is well known Taylor has suffered home sickness in Melbourne without his siblings and he is staying with his older brother in Darwin. But he, too, is urging Taylor to get back to Punt Rd.
"Everyone is trying to get him back, but he has to make that move," Dudgeon said. "I still think he can still come back."
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/04/15/1225854/045096-troy-taylor.jpg)
Good riddance you selfish little twerp.
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Just a kid....... No idea. Atleast he isn't in jail.....for now.
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It just goes to show the onus is squarely on Troy. Commit to AFL or it's over! Right now it looks like it's over.
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Just pee him off and be done with it! With that type of character and his questionable kicking skills I doubt he would have made it anyway
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Very Sad. Hope he comes back but ultimately it is solely in his hands. THe club have n=been very good in handling the situation
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Please. Why bother wasting our clubs resources by flying up there. Let him be to go walkabout with his mates.
Was a mistake by the club and i could never see talent wise why he was such a catch.
These are the picks that make clubs and we gave it away by going for a loose cannon.
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Just a kid....... No idea. Atleast he isn't in jail.....for now.
Sadly i think you may be spot on.
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He wants a house lol. I'm assuming that the club has rented him a house to live in whilst he was here. So is he saying that he wants the club to buy him a house lol. I supported him till now but he can get stuffed. You dont get houses given to you, you actually got work to buy one. Thats how it works in society unless you win tattslotto. Trade him out for whatever we can get at years end. The boy doesnt have a hope with an attitude like that.
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He wants a house lol. I'm assuming that the club has rented him a house to live in whilst he was here. So is he saying that he wants the club to buy him a house lol. I supported him till now but he can get stuffed. You dont get houses given to you, you actually got work to buy one. Thats how it works in society unless you win tattslotto. Trade him out for whatever we can get at years end. The boy doesnt have a hope with an attitude like that.
Baseless accusations there. For all you know he may have just wanted to live by himself rather than just staying at another players house.
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I love you Troy :-*
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He wants a house lol. I'm assuming that the club has rented him a house to live in whilst he was here. So is he saying that he wants the club to buy him a house lol. I supported him till now but he can get stuffed. You dont get houses given to you, you actually got work to buy one. Thats how it works in society unless you win tattslotto. Trade him out for whatever we can get at years end. The boy doesnt have a hope with an attitude like that.
Baseless accusations there. For all you know he may have just wanted to live by himself rather than just staying at another players house.
Either way its rubbish. A house wasnt part of his contract, do what a normal person does and rent one!!
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He wants a house lol. I'm assuming that the club has rented him a house to live in whilst he was here. So is he saying that he wants the club to buy him a house lol. I supported him till now but he can get stuffed. You dont get houses given to you, you actually got work to buy one. Thats how it works in society unless you win tattslotto. Trade him out for whatever we can get at years end. The boy doesnt have a hope with an attitude like that.
Baseless accusations there. For all you know he may have just wanted to live by himself rather than just staying at another players house.
Either way its rubbish. A house wasnt part of his contract, do what a normal person does and rent one!!
With his history he would have a lot of trouble getting a rental agreement by himself, perhaps the club thought it was too risky to give him his own place.
At the end of the day the only people who know the truth are the club and Troy
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See ya Taylor , good riddance and thanks for nothing
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He wants a house lol. I'm assuming that the club has rented him a house to live in whilst he was here. So is he saying that he wants the club to buy him a house lol. I supported him till now but he can get stuffed. You dont get houses given to you, you actually got work to buy one. Thats how it works in society unless you win tattslotto. Trade him out for whatever we can get at years end. The boy doesnt have a hope with an attitude like that.
Baseless accusations there. For all you know he may have just wanted to live by himself rather than just staying at another players house.
who in their right mind would allow this troubled kid to live on his own? He comes from a troubled background and is homesick - living by himself is probably the worst thing to do - borderline negligent if we allowed that. Nah no point playing devils advocate here - not hard to join the dots
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I guess he was worth a punt, but obviously it didn't pay off. Now let's get rid of him at the end of the season and give his spot to someone who will actually work hard and not come into the side with this "the world owes me everything" mentality that Taylor seems to possess.
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He wants a house lol. I'm assuming that the club has rented him a house to live in whilst he was here. So is he saying that he wants the club to buy him a house lol. I supported him till now but he can get stuffed. You dont get houses given to you, you actually got work to buy one. Thats how it works in society unless you win tattslotto. Trade him out for whatever we can get at years end. The boy doesnt have a hope with an attitude like that.
Baseless accusations there. For all you know he may have just wanted to live by himself rather than just staying at another players house.
Either way its rubbish. A house wasnt part of his contract, do what a normal person does and rent one!!
With his history he would have a lot of trouble getting a rental agreement by himself, perhaps the club thought it was too risky to give him his own place.
At the end of the day the only people who know the truth are the club and Troy
I think that is a fair call Infamy - clearly he is a troubled and most likely immature young man. Getting these types of situations to work relies on both the player and the clubs persistence.
Was it the bulldogs who picked up one of their players from near Fitzroy CReek and drove him down to Bunbury for a praccy match during the pre season?
Having said that, this one appears to be too much flowing under the bridge (and it ain't water!)
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he was given a job and career.
he could have bought his own house once he was established., not hard
Obviously he chooses to now live in a tent, his call
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Agree with points made by Infamy and Tony
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He wants a house lol. I'm assuming that the club has rented him a house to live in whilst he was here. So is he saying that he wants the club to buy him a house lol. I supported him till now but he can get stuffed. You dont get houses given to you, you actually got work to buy one. Thats how it works in society unless you win tattslotto. Trade him out for whatever we can get at years end. The boy doesnt have a hope with an attitude like that.
Baseless accusations there. For all you know he may have just wanted to live by himself rather than just staying at another players house.
who in their right mind would allow this troubled kid to live on his own? He comes from a troubled background and is homesick - living by himself is probably the worst thing to do - borderline negligent if we allowed that. Nah no point playing devils advocate here - not hard to join the dots
Don't worry, I agree with you 100%, I was just pointing out that he probably wasn't asking the club to buy him a house
It would have to be included in the salary cap if the club did, and that's a pretty massive bonus for a kid in his 2nd year when he's getting paid about $60k a year. I don't think this is what he was asking... although if he was...
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If he didnt ask for a house then I apologise but the article gives the impression that that is what happened. If he wanted a house to rent then the club probably should have helped him if they didnt. In all instances its up to him to be able to afford it whether its renting or buying.
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He wants a house lol. I'm assuming that the club has rented him a house to live in whilst he was here. So is he saying that he wants the club to buy him a house lol. I supported him till now but he can get stuffed. You dont get houses given to you, you actually got work to buy one. Thats how it works in society unless you win tattslotto. Trade him out for whatever we can get at years end. The boy doesnt have a hope with an attitude like that.
Baseless accusations there. For all you know he may have just wanted to live by himself rather than just staying at another players house.
who in their right mind would allow this troubled kid to live on his own? He comes from a troubled background and is homesick - living by himself is probably the worst thing to do - borderline negligent if we allowed that. Nah no point playing devils advocate here - not hard to join the dots
Don't worry, I agree with you 100%, I was just pointing out that he probably wasn't asking the club to buy him a house
It would have to be included in the salary cap if the club did, and that's a pretty massive bonus for a kid in his 2nd year when he's getting paid about $60k a year. I don't think this is what he was asking... although if he was...
So paying for his lawyers and keeping him out of jail wasn't enough?
Getting him the best counsellors to help him through his troubles wasn't enough?
Moving his family down to Melbourne wasn't enough?
The only reason this selfish little prick isn't in jail is because of RICHMOND, he owes RICHMOND, RICHMOND owe him nothing, he put his hand up to go to the ND to form some sort of AFL career, and now he comes out with this rubbish?
Selfish little stuff, what did he expect? Do nothing but expect people to hand everything out to him on a silver platter?
This is the real world, like it or not people actually have to work for things to get what they want, we have people in this world working crappy 12 hour jobs 7 days a week just to put a roof and some food on the table for there families.
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Well said Tiger4life.
For the last month we have been told hang on we don't know his problems so let's find out what they are before we judge. Well we now know that he is 1 spoilt brat that should've been locked up cause then maybe he would understand what life is all about. Krak got locked up and look at his outlook on life.
It was a wasted pick and i hope we learnt our lesson.
LMFAO at his coloured boots. Who the f... did he think he was?
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So paying for his lawyers and keeping him out of jail wasn't enough?
Getting him the best counsellors to help him through his troubles wasn't enough?
Moving his family down to Melbourne wasn't enough?
The only reason this selfish little prick isn't in jail is because of RICHMOND, he owes RICHMOND, RICHMOND owe him nothing, he put his hand up to go to the ND to form some sort of AFL career, and now he comes out with this rubbish?
Selfish little eff, what did he expect? Do nothing but expect people to hand everything out to him on a silver platter?
This is the real world, like it or not people actually have to work for things to get what they want, we have people in this world working pooty 12 hour jobs 7 days a week just to put a roof and some food on the table for there families.
:clapping well said!
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he lost me when he wore the boots in game one
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'I'm not going back Mum, they don't do what they're supposed to do for me.
.........for me - LMAO
WTF are you ?
You were also,supposed to do something,u mentally challenged bozo - Play good football!
" 'I want a house ... they haven't helped me and how many times do I have to ask them?' "
stuffing SHITMAN
Edit: avoid swear filter
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apparently he knocked back the tent with the annexe the club had offered
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We all have to start somewhere,Troy.....
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but i can see why he was peeed off.
I like the holes in the front for his hands,feet and nob.
Brendon Gale is a real details man. :thumbsup
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Should talk to thr kid who has a spine injury at collingwood ad will never play again.
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Troy, you can suffer as far as I'm concerned. Forget about this little cock knocker
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Should talk to thr kid who has a spine injury at collingwood ad will never play again.
Yeah young Tommy Hunter a terrific young bloke he is
And kudos for what th ePies are doing for him too :thumbsup
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Just another kid who is peeing away an amazing future. What sh.its me is that there are some many kids out their busting their guts to make it and would do anything to get a chance yet here is another kid who has all the talent in the world but not a braincell in his hollow cranium to rub together.
Kids like these are always a risk and if they come good you look like a genius (Hawks and Buddy for example), but if they don't....
Hope this kid has a moment of clarity, gets some sense knocked into him or some other type of epiphany and comes back to the club to become a champion....otherwise he will become another 'one that got away' story :banghead
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Just another kid who is peeing away an amazing future. What sh.its me is that there are some many kids out their busting their guts to make it and would do anything to get a chance yet here is another kid who has all the talent in the world but not a braincell in his hollow cranium to rub together.
Kids like these are always a risk and if they come good you look like a genius (Hawks and Buddy for example), but if they don't....
Hope this kid has a moment of clarity, gets some sense knocked into him or some other type of epiphany and comes back to the club to become a champion....otherwise he will become another 'one that got away' story :banghead
sorry Stripes i have to seriously ask what makes you or anyone think this kid has serious talent as you and others have constantly mentioned.
He has proved nothing. Zero. He didnt seem like anything special when i saw him play at Coburg/Richmond.
To compare him and Buddy is quite comical. Yes he had issues but the Franklin family come from a sporting background so he had a good chance. Plus we are comparing Richmond to Hawthorn and quite frankly our history with the indigenous boys is far from impressive.
I put the blame squarely on Troy but dont kid yourself im sure we played a part in it too.
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The problem is we are recruiting the aboriginal boys who have wrong attitudes Relton Roberts spent more time trying to find himself a nicname before the season started, I dont know what he ended with but something storm was one being bandied, the only problem was he was only storming towards the local Maccas outlets, Taylor wants a house lol. If you recruit blokes who dont understand the requirements you get nowhere.
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Just another kid who is peeing away an amazing future. What sh.its me is that there are some many kids out their busting their guts to make it and would do anything to get a chance yet here is another kid who has all the talent in the world but not a braincell in his hollow cranium to rub together.
Kids like these are always a risk and if they come good you look like a genius (Hawks and Buddy for example), but if they don't....
Hope this kid has a moment of clarity, gets some sense knocked into him or some other type of epiphany and comes back to the club to become a champion....otherwise he will become another 'one that got away' story :banghead
sorry Stripes i have to seriously ask what makes you or anyone think this kid has serious talent as you and others have constantly mentioned.
He has proved nothing. Zero. He didnt seem like anything special when i saw him play at Coburg/Richmond.
To compare him and Buddy is quite comical. Yes he had issues but the Franklin family come from a sporting background so he had a good chance. Plus we are comparing Richmond to Hawthorn and quite frankly our history with the indigenous boys is far from impressive.
I put the blame squarely on Troy but dont kid yourself im sure we played a part in it too.
Daniel, Emma Quale (SP?) and plenty of other recruiters rated Taylor within the top10-15 most talented players in his draft pool alone, only circumstances and attitude meant he would slip all the way down the draft.
Pretty much the same thing with Briffiths, rated top10 for KPP talent that year, but because of the question marks around his shoulders meant he would also slide down the draft.
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I'm a little sadened to think that this time he may have gone back for good. Dimma repeatedly said that this kid had so much talent, talent you just couldnt teach.
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I'm a little sadened to think that this time he may have gone back for good. Dimma repeatedly said that this kid had so much talent, talent you just couldnt teach.
Yeah. Being a passionate tiger I'm more upset that we are missing out on a potential quality player. Most of the replies in here lack that 'I love being at every game and cheering on the boys' passion 8). I sense a bit of 'I'm not going to etihad, it takes an extra 10 minutes to get to than the G' or 'I'm not going to the game, I refuse to pay an extra $5 for parking at etihad' kind of half hearted fair weather feel to some of the replies in here. I know you really like the tiges but they aren't that important that an extra $5 or 10 minutes is enough to watch the game on tv instead :)
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be quiet ffs :shh
:lol
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sorry Stripes i have to seriously ask what makes you or anyone think this kid has serious talent as you and others have constantly mentioned.
He has proved nothing. Zero. He didn't seem like anything special when i saw him play at Coburg/Richmond.
To compare him and Buddy is quite comical. Yes he had issues but the Franklin family come from a sporting background so he had a good chance. Plus we are comparing Richmond to Hawthorn and quite frankly our history with the indigenous boys is far from impressive.
I put the blame squarely on Troy but don't kid yourself I'm sure we played a part in it too.
daniel, tiger4life answered your question already but was identified as one of the most talented players of the draft by many 'experts' before the draft but his attitude/character was what kept clubs from taking him early (and obviously correctly so). Collingwood was very interested in taking him which is why we took him with Pick 54 before they had a chance. As I said, if he did (or a miracle occurs and he still does) fulfil his potential then we look like hero's but it was a very risky move at best.
My Hawthorn analogy refers to the negatives on Buddy during the draft. Before the TAC Cup he was clearly the No 1 Pick but his lackluster performance during the Carnival, terrible psychological testing and huge question marks whether he would even stay in the game (sound familiar?) saw his drift to No 5. Even Hawthorn took Roughhead before him because of this and we took the safe options of Lids and Bling because of their impeccable attitudes and midfield potential. This is why I use the Buddy example, not to stick to our club but to show how Taylor and Buddy had similar question marks on them before they were drafted. Taylor had far larger baggage and had shown less on the field but they are comparative nonetheless IMHO.
I agree with you though regarding our clubs recent history working with Indigenous players compared to other teams. We are recruiting the wrong personalities firstly and not providing the sufficient support or environment to bring the best out of them. This is particularly embarrassing given our new Indigenous Institute. :shh
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my guess is it was the decision process that effectively ruled our buddy haunted the club to a point that they convinced themselves they wouldn't let lightening strike twice...rolled the dice, failed , move on
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my guess is it was the decision process that effectively ruled our buddy haunted the club to a point that they convinced themselves they wouldn't let lightening strike twice...rolled the dice, failed , move on
At least we didn't lose pick 1 or 5 in doing so. 50-something? These are the picks you can take a risk with.
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my guess is it was the decision process that effectively ruled our buddy haunted the club to a point that they convinced themselves they wouldn't let lightening strike twice...rolled the dice, failed , move on
At least we didn't lose pick 1 or 5 in doing so. 50-something? These are the picks you can take a risk with.
True in this case as it could be looked at from the point of view that we in a roundabout way effectively used the pick we gained from offloading Rainesy on Troy. We used that traded 3rd round pick (#44) on Dea and then 7 selections later our normal 4th rounder (#51) on Troy. If Dea makes it in the long run then we will have still gained a player from that part of the draft.
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Thunder has eye on the Tiger
Grey Morris
NT News
April 27th, 2011
TERRITORY Thunder's chief executive Stuart Totham is keeping a close eye on the welfare of former player Troy Taylor.
Drafted by AFL club Richmond in 2009, Taylor's playing future at the top level is in doubt after just four senior games in three seasons with the Tigers.
A combination of homesickness and problems getting permanent accommodation in Melbourne are believed to be behind two walkouts this year.
But Totham is not getting involved, despite Taylor's involvement with the Thunder program before he was drafted.
"We don't feel we have any responsibility towards Troy at this stage," Totham said.
"He played with us and that's great, but he is a Richmond player now."
Your Say
"If we have a justice system that worked he would be having no problems with accommodation for the next couple of years."
David
Richmond has given Taylor time to contemplate his future, saying any decision to return to the club had to come from him.
"Once Troy works out what he wants to do with his footy, obviously we could be part of his playing future," Totham said. "But to talk about Thunder at this stage is probably not in his best interest."
Totham said Taylor's return to the Thunder program was not completely out of the question.
"That might happen," he added. "It depends whether he is receptive to that and who it is.
"Troy's got some close mentors he's working with. If we can help with that at any time, obviously we will."
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/04/27/227921_ntsport.html
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3 seasons at tigers?
1 season & 5 weeks
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3 seasons at tigers?
1 season & 5 weeks
Dont ruin a good story with facts...it sounds better if you say 3 years...
Actually the 3 years can be as follows: 2009 November draft - year 1, 2010, and 2011 = 3 years...now that was inventive just like the journo.
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Tigers president Gary March said the club hoped troubled forward Troy Taylor would return.
He is in the Northern Territory after leaving Richmond for a second time, but March said the door was open.
Richmond has a rich history of indigenous stars, with Punt Rd housing the Australian Institute for Indigenous Learning and Skills Development.
March said several factors had contributed to the lack of indigenous representation at the Dreamtime game.
"Shane is out for a couple of weeks, but ... the door is open for (Taylor) and we are in constant contact with him. The door is always open but he has to make the decision that he wants to come back," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/shane-edwards-to-miss-dreamtime-clash-against-essendon/story-e6frf9jf-1226057032515
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WGAF
Spoiled little stuff
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This is the door.....
(http://visualparadox.com/images/linking-not-allowed/outhouse-wide.jpg)
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Coburg crying out for Troy taylor @ chf
Jstar would like to see him at Richmond full back vs resting ruckman. :thumbsup
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He's done his dash.
stuff him off
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Tigers president Gary March said the club hoped troubled forward Troy Taylor would return.
He is in the Northern Territory after leaving Richmond for a second time, but March said the door was open.
Richmond has a rich history of indigenous stars, with Punt Rd housing the Australian Institute for Indigenous Learning and Skills Development.
March said several factors had contributed to the lack of indigenous representation at the Dreamtime game.
"Shane is out for a couple of weeks, but ... the door is open for (Taylor) and we are in constant contact with him. The door is always open but he has to make the decision that he wants to come back," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/shane-edwards-to-miss-dreamtime-clash-against-essendon/story-e6frf9jf-1226057032515
Nice article in Dreamtime game week.
Gotta hand it to Gary M
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X can you find a bigger picture mate, I can't seem to make out the graphics in that one.
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Kick the efftard to the kerb
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Why stay in contact - f him and all for that matter that don't take their chance.
If we badger him to come back and he does, I would gather from his attitude he wont put in what is necessary to become anything apart from also coming back with a my sh|t doesn't stink attitude.
Cut ties Tigers! After all, this fuss is only because he is dark brown.
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why ruin an accurate post with that statement at the end CUB?
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why ruin an accurate post with that statement at the end CUB?
Apart from how it's been worded (which I don't agree with BTW) isn't the statement at the end relevant in this discussion?
What I mean is this; is the fact that we are talking about an indegenious player here one of the reason the kid is being given so much time to make up his mind? If that makes sense ???
Would the club be handling things different if he wasn't?
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Too many tiger supporters in here being too thoughtless. I'm glad the club are still persisting with him. He has problems which we are giving him time to overcome. He could be a huge talent and this type of player is worth all the work the club are doing. The club should consider rookie listing him next year too if he still hasn't worked himself out in 6 months. He could be an amazing talent and at only 19 he could take 12 months to get his head right. If some of you were in charge of the club you'd let him go in a flash and 12 months later down the track he'd be so regretfull and with his head finally right Collingwood would pick him up and they'd have a superstar on their hands. Some of you would look like complete knobs ;D
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Perhaps the clubs knows more than we do?
Which is why the club is sticking by him..... I for one love the player support mentality.
This kid could get it together and we will be thrilled that the club stuck with him.
In the meantime... we are going ok and developing a number of youngsters.... so his absence is not hurting the club at this point.
I for one appreciate that AFL clubs still see players as people first ,employees second.
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with getting behind the youngsters that we pick and giving them every chance to succeed,
Good on the tigers for doing so.
Makes it a club worth playing for as far as I am concerned.
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Then the club should not beat around the bush and just buy him his house. And not just an ordinary house either I talking about a nice big house in Toorak so it's not too far from Punt rd.
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Too many tiger supporters in here being too thoughtless. I'm glad the club are still persisting with him. He has problems which we are giving him time to overcome. He could be a huge talent and this type of player is worth all the work the club are doing. The club should consider rookie listing him next year too if he still hasn't worked himself out in 6 months. He could be an amazing talent and at only 19 he could take 12 months to get his head right. If some of you were in charge of the club you'd let him go in a flash and 12 months later down the track he'd be so regretfull and with his head finally right Collingwood would pick him up and they'd have a superstar on their hands. Some of you would look like complete knobs ;D
Yeah, ok. But you look like a knob with every post you make
8)
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Racism.... still alive and strong I see
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If anyone thinks Troy is getting special consideration because of his skin colour then they're an idiot.
His situation isn't great, similar to Ben Cousins, has issues and only a soft club would turf him on the curb. AFL talk about duty of care on field, I'm proud the club is showing duty of care off field with Troy. Without us he'd be in jail.
If this was Ben Griffiths I can't see anything being different.
If Dustin Martin went on a break to country New South Wales with off field issues it would be no different.
The kid is part of our future and we want him to reach his potential. He's most likely run out of chances, but nothing has anything to do with his skin colour, it's about his football potential.
What would we be saying about Tom Hislop if he was indigenous and we gave him the huge lifeline at 22/23?
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Spot on Popelord
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Buying Troy a house.. does that allude to Indigenous Australians getting a free ride?
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:sleep :banghead :scream
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Wow,
intelligent response Davey.... brilliant,
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It's the way she goes
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It's the way what goes?
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Davey,
can you claim a perfect life?
Have you always done what the teacher told you... your parents told you? Did you ace every school test?
Please everyone in your life?
Have you made the most of every opportunity given to you?
Me... I have stuffed up countless times. Made mistakes daily... let alone all my life.
We all have baggage mate.... all sorts of backgrounds.
Maybe the kid has had it tough?
Maybe he wants to succeed... but struggles with his past?
Nothing new to me,
Have failed many times in life,
Give the kid a go
We all deserve second and maybe third chances..... maybe many chances before we succeed,
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A reminder to discuss the topic without the insults and sniping ppl
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Sorry One Eyed... not my intention.
Just feel that Troy may be misunderstood, thats all.
We have all had challenges in life.... I am the first to admit my mistakes.
it does not mean we are ungrateful or stupid. Sometimes we struggle with our destiny.
I have no grudge at all... just wish to point out that none of us are perfect.
I have a feeling that Troy wishes that it would be easier than it is.
Doesn't mean he is a bad person or ungrateful for the opportunity.And just because he is Indigenous does not mean that he should understand more than anyone else.
Innumerable people of all backgrounds don't make it. I was drafted at 16... had a car accident and my chance was done.
Sometimes... life is not what we would hope it to be,
Race has nothing to do with it,
I hope he makes it
No personal insult intended at all... just pointing out that none of us are perfect
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Would be fair enough if the game this week was called "white blokes at the g"
If anyone thinks Troy is getting special consideration because of his skin colour then they're an idiot.
His situation isn't great, similar to Ben Cousins, has issues and only a soft club would turf him on the curb. AFL talk about duty of care on field, I'm proud the club is showing duty of care off field with Troy. Without us he'd be in jail.
If this was Ben Griffiths I can't see anything being different.
If Dustin Martin went on a break to country New South Wales with off field issues it would be no different.
The kid is part of our future and we want him to reach his potential. He's most likely run out of chances, but nothing has anything to do with his skin colour, it's about his football potential.
What would we be saying about Tom Hislop if he was indigenous and we gave him the huge lifeline at 22/23?
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I would love to know how many of us had it all figured at 19....... black or white.
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The club really has nothing to lose by staying in contact with him for the remainder of the year.
From my personal experience Troy is a terrific kid, he has enourmous ability and could be anything. The club know this and that is why they are keeping the door open. With any luck he may come back and commit.
I am sure that you will find its entirely up to Troy now, he has to want it.
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Sorry One Eyed... not my intention.
That's okay Shiner. I wasn't having a go at your post before mine. It was more a general reminder to everyone to discuss the topic and express your opinion without resorting to insults and namecalling because another poster may have a different viewpoint.
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No worries
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why ruin an accurate post with that statement at the end CUB?
Because its the ttttruth.
It's all ok when we praise the "blackfellas" (as they refer to themselves) for having special talents in the game - eg "gee those brothers are awesome" :lol
But if we make similar reference from the other side of the bridge,It's wrong -HTF Does that work ?
Suck an ars.
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why ruin an accurate post with that statement at the end CUB?
Apart from how it's been worded (which I don't agree with BTW) isn't the statement at the end relevant in this discussion?
What I mean is this; is the fact that we are talking about an indegenious player here one of the reason the kid is being given so much time to make up his mind? If that makes sense ???
Would the club be handling things different if he wasn't?
I think the his untapped raw talent has more to do with it than the color of skin WP
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Davey,
can you claim a perfect life?
Have you always done what the teacher told you... your parents told you? Did you ace every school test?
Please everyone in your life?
Have you made the most of every opportunity given to you?
Me... I have stuffed up countless times. Made mistakes daily... let alone all my life.
We all have baggage mate.... all sorts of backgrounds.
Maybe the kid has had it tough?
Maybe he wants to succeed... but struggles with his past?
Nothing new to me,
Have failed many times in life,
Give the kid a go
We all deserve second and maybe third chances..... maybe many chances before we succeed,
I defended Troy on this forum and BF quite a bit shiner, but stuff me, how many times you give someone another chance?
If he wasnt on an AFL list he would most probably be in jail now.
Unlike most indigenous kids from up this way he actually has good role models in his life. His mum works in the education department, his uncle, ernie dingo keeps in contact and tries to point him right.
His mum moved from Darwin to Alice in an attempt to get him away from the bad influences that saw him spend time inside, in the first place and to be near family that hopefully would guide him.
When he first joined the club you could get a good insight from his facebook page. The thing that concerned me was the constant desire to get back up to Darwin. He got leave of absence last year and now he just goes awol. It all gets a bit hard so he leaves town and shoots back up here. Just to hang out with the same stuffwits that saw him end up in the clink?
He didn't even answer calls from his mum or the club. " He goes like this every now and then" or similar was what his mum said at the time.
He has the world at his feet and he simply peees on it.
To make the grade in AFL requires an enormous strength of character, something it is starting to seem Troy just hasnt got. He needs to show he wants it and he aint doing that at the moment. FFS, sooking the club wont give him a house.
Time to shut that page on this chapter and give someone else a go IMO, but perhaps the fact that the talent pool is shallow due to GWS may see him given yet another chance. If that happens then good luck to him and hopefully he takes the chance with both hands.
I'd be betting we dont see him again though and sometime in the near future he gets a mention in the old footballers thread about being locked up again.
I do hope I'm wrong on this one.
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I think the his untapped raw talent has more to do with it than the color of skin WP
I actually agree with you al but clearly some people dont' see it that way.
I thought the point originally raised was valid and is an interesting view but unfortuantely the point may have got lost because of the the wording used to make the point is probably viewed by some as being imflammatory. And not wanting to speak for CUB but my personal view was that wasn't his intent
All I was trying to point out was is that it is clear people are viewing this as a indigenous issue as opposed to a footy only issue issue so to raise the question is reasonable as long as the discussion stays focussed on the question/topic.
I have no problems with the club staying in contact with him I think they should because as TFL said the club has nothing to lose and only something to gain
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Final reminder
There has been some very good discussion throughout this thread, let's stick to that and.........
Stick to the topic & keep the racial taunts & personal sniping off the board
WP & Mr OE
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I think we need to face it on this one.
Troy has gone, he won't be back and even if he does come back he won't make it, he doesn't have the drive or desire to make it at an AFL level.
Troy it appears is content to be back home, playing local footy being a home town hero and hanging out with his mates, as was the same case with Relton.
It dosn't matter what his past was like, his present is, or what the club does for him, unfortunately as is the case with many people of his nature...he just doesn't wan't to do it.
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This is how it works.
Someone peees you off with selfish,petulant behaviour and someone/thing you love has invested emotion,time and money into them and they choose to return to a lifestyle clearly lesser than possible here is an annoyance.
Add to that the games track record with the race in question and you are gonna get comments that some will interpret as racist.
personally,racism to me is reality - It's everywhere.
If Burying your head in the sand and suppressing such emotions is how u want to live your life,good luck.
I prefer to indulge in the occasional forbidden banter as well as treat everyone as equals...we nearly everyone ;D
It's all a croc of poo
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Donuts :cheers
Tayls never fails
Saw a photo of him planking on his facebook
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This is how it works.
Someone peees you off with selfish,petulant behaviour and someone/thing you love has invested emotion,time and money into them and they choose to return to a lifestyle clearly lesser than possible here is an annoyance.
Add to that the games track record with the race in question and you are gonna get comments that some will interpret as racist.
personally,racism to me is reality - It's everywhere.
If Burying your head in the sand and suppressing such emotions is how u want to live your life,good luck.
I prefer to indulge in the occasional forbidden banter as well as treat everyone as equals...we nearly everyone ;D
It's all a croc of poo
Fair call Ox - good post :thumbsup
Fixed quote
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Ox
Was that Forbidden or
Forsaken????? LMAO :shh :shh :whistle
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Ox
Was that Forbidden or
Forsaken????? LMAO :shh :shh :whistle
Yes TFL,Troy has returned to the Forsaken land! ;D
PS- Who did u used to be (Handle wise) ?
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Let's just say IF he comes back and ends up one of the AFL's elite, I would sleep easier at night knowing all we did was 'keep the door open' as opposed to trading away 2 first rounders and a player for him. ;)
What exactly do we have to lose? We can't replace the kid mid year? :whistle
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he'll' never make it.
A special mix of Ego and stupidity will assure this outcome
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perhaps it would be a good gesture to have TT toss the coin, he owes us at least that much seeing he is one of two indig players on the list
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perhaps it would be a good gesture to have TT toss the coin, he owes us at least that much seeing he is one of two indig players on the list
My thoughts...
There's one coin we'll never see again................
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:lol
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:lol
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;D
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why ruin an accurate post with that statement at the end CUB?
Because its the ttttruth.
It's all ok when we praise the "blackfellas" (as they refer to themselves) for having special talents in the game - eg "gee those brothers are awesome" :lol
But if we make similar reference from the other side of the bridge,It's wrong -HTF Does that work ?
Suck an ars.
The club is only keeping the door open for him because he is black?
On what basis do make that call?
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Buying Troy a house.. does that allude to Indigenous Australians getting a free ride?
it only refers to Troy complaining that the club hadn't bought him one yet. It seemed it was one of the reasons he went back home.
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Buying Troy a house.. does that allude to Indigenous Australians getting a free ride?
it only refers to Troy complaining that the club hadn't bought him one yet. It seemed it was one of the reasons he went back home.
That comment could very easily be taken out of context, we have no idea if he meant buy an actual house or if he needed assistance finding a house he could rent by himself. With his history it would have been difficult to get approval on a lease.
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On the issue of racism if you use colour or race in a derogatory manner it's racism. You can never understand it unless you are in a position of minority or oppression. It's offensive and a completely unacceptable.
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The club is only keeping the door open for him because he is black?
On what basis do make that call?
I didnt realise i did ?
If that was the case then the new indigenous centre would be nothing more than a Hostel for "unsettled" aboriginal footballers,free to come and go as they wished.
The door aint open for him.
It's just more combative propaganda on the eve of the dreamtime game.
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On the issue of racism if you use colour or race in a derogatory manner it's racism
All those years of study have really paid off.
You can never understand it unless you are in a position of minority or oppression. It's offensive and a completely unacceptable.
Why dont u share your pain or STFU!!
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On the issue of racism if you use colour or race in a derogatory manner it's racism
All those years of study have really paid off.
You can never understand it unless you are in a position of minority or oppression. It's offensive and a completely unacceptable.
Why dont u share your pain or STFU!!
Why edit your first hate filled post?
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perhaps it would be a good gesture to have TT toss the coin, he owes us at least that much seeing he is one of two indig players on the list
My thoughts...
There's one coin we'll never see again................
:lol :thatsgold
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The club is only keeping the door open for him because he is black?
On what basis do make that call?
I didnt realise i did ?
If that was the case then the new indigenous centre would be nothing more than a Hostel for "unsettled" aboriginal footballers,free to come and go as they wished.
The door aint open for him.
It's just more combative propaganda on the eve of the dreamtime game.
Perhaps as WP alluded, this is along the lines of what CUB actually meant.
I just interpreted it differently.
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On the issue of racism if you use colour or race in a derogatory manner it's racism. You can never understand it unless you are in a position of minority or oppression. It's offensive and a completely unacceptable.
Conversly, are you implying that its less offensive to be racist towards people who form part of societies 'majority' or non-oppressed? If so, why?
If so, your just feeding everyone the typical PC, bull plop
And in your opinion, who are the 'oppressed' in this country and why? Who is oppressing who? How and why? Through what institutions and means, and societal systems?
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On the issue of racism if you use colour or race in a derogatory manner it's racism. You can never understand it unless you are in a position of minority or oppression. It's offensive and a completely unacceptable.
But how do you define "derogatory manner"? It's a catch 22 at times - seriously and it all comes back to ones own moral compass doesn't it?
Why? because someone may make a comment that to them is made innocently and someone else will decree or imply that is derogatory and therefore racist, when it wasn't meant that way at all.
I seen examples of it throughout this thread.
Clearly there are things that are out of bounds for a reason and so they should be. They cannot be disputed
But then there are things that fall into the grey areas; which are usually comments that are misconstrued as being racist when they are not.
So do you deem the person who makes a comment innocently but has it construed by someone else a certain way as a racist? We shouldn't but we do. Is that right, accapetable? One would hope NO but sadly it appears at times it doesn't work like that
I've said it before and I will say it again what one person finds offensive another wont; so who's right and who's wrong?
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Get Cyril to toss the coin in honour of his unc
should be playing with us :(
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Anything to add,Mr T...?...cliche-wise of course
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Buying Troy a house.. does that allude to Indigenous Australians getting a free ride?
it only refers to Troy complaining that the club hadn't bought him one yet. It seemed it was one of the reasons he went back home.
That comment could very easily be taken out of context, we have no idea if he meant buy an actual house or if he needed assistance finding a house he could rent by himself. With his history it would have been difficult to get approval on a lease.
Well said Infamy
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I don't understand why its such a grey area, if you describe someone labeling them for their colour of their skin, its racism?
Whether you say I love that black guy or I hate that black guy, its irrelevant.
You can't say that turban head is my best friend in the world.
Common sense, don't understand the difficulty of some people grasping that.
Big men with keyboards, walk down Harlem street and shout out in a positive way "Come on black fellers lets party"
It'd be the last thing you do.
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what are you on about? it's definitely not racist to say Obama is the first Black President.
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what are you on about? it's definitely not racist to say Obama is the first Black President.
Have to agree with you there, Gerk. It's not racist, not even colourist, probably more like being shade-ist. :thumbsup
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what are you on about? it's definitely not racist to say Obama is the first Black President.
It can be argued it is.
There are boring text book after text book about English Language that makes this clearer.
There is a small acceptance that has evolved over time in languages that suggest non-social tongue accepts racism. For instance stating that Obama is the first Black President or Aborigines are black or Nelson Mandela is black or the man I saw robbing the bank had a black complexion. Its factually / non socio speaking and is ethically accepted.
Saying "I love that black guy in the white house" or "The black pres is doing a good job" is racist, even though its factual and positive it's racist.
It's hard to explain.
When you talk in the first person labeling someone for their race or religion its racist. There will be exceptions as there are with everything in the English language.
Not being a d!ck just clearing it up.
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i'm not sure what the english language has to do with anything
and calling someone a Catholic **** is not racist
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It's really very simple.
If you call someone that's black, "a black #$##!" than it's racist because you use their colour to demean the person. If you use their race it's much the same. Eg lazy Moari prick etc. Again you demean the race. Now that person may very well be those things you want to call them but just don't bring colour or race into the picture.
Now if your praising someone it's completly different because we are celebrating the acheivements of someone especially if in a minority. That's why you can say first black president etc. Fact is it's not demeaning the colour.
Now I'm not perfect but we have come along way in our society. What was acceptable years ago isn't acceptable now. If you think you are above it than why was buddy so upset when abused by a spectator? Do you think he would have been if it wasn't racial in it's delivery? I'm sure he gets alot of people berating him but that one hurt. Why because when you include colour or race you demean the colour and the race.
Ask dippa why he will never say abo aver again.
It's not acceptable so don't do it.
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From what i understand its this way..the AFL/Richmond is in the business of making money/winning permierships. Therefore players like Ben Cousins with a proven champion track record are given chances. Players with an unproven track record and essentially a risk to the bottom dollar and the chance at a premiership are given a token consideration and a small amount of leeway before they are given their marching orders. UNLESS they are of a minority group, and the Afl/Richmond have to be seen as doing the right thing. I am NOT a racist, just an average supporter, I understand that minority groups have to fight harder for things that others find easy, but I dont think its fair in elite sports that your minorities get an easier run than others. 100% effort should get 100% reward regardless of race colour or creed :gotigers
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Who really gives a poo honestly ;D
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It can be argued it is.
After i read this,I STOPPED READING :lol
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From what i understand its this way..the AFL/Richmond is in the business of making money/winning permierships. Therefore players like Ben Cousins with a proven champion track record are given chances. Players with an unproven track record and essentially a risk to the bottom dollar and the chance at a premiership are given a token consideration and a small amount of leeway before they are given their marching orders. UNLESS they are of a minority group, and the Afl/Richmond have to be seen as doing the right thing. I am NOT a racist, just an average supporter, I understand that minority groups have to fight harder for things that others find easy, but I dont think its fair in elite sports that your minorities get an easier run than others. 100% effort should get 100% reward regardless of race colour or creed :gotigers
Great post buti maintain that Dan Connors is white, lazy trash that gets gifted games yet he is not a part of a minority, Gus Graham the same. :police:
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From what i understand its this way..the AFL/Richmond is in the business of making money/winning permierships. Therefore players like Ben Cousins with a proven champion track record are given chances. Players with an unproven track record and essentially a risk to the bottom dollar and the chance at a premiership are given a token consideration and a small amount of leeway before they are given their marching orders. UNLESS they are of a minority group, and the Afl/Richmond have to be seen as doing the right thing. I am NOT a racist, just an average supporter, I understand that minority groups have to fight harder for things that others find easy, but I dont think its fair in elite sports that your minorities get an easier run than others. 100% effort should get 100% reward regardless of race colour or creed :gotigers
:clapping :clapping
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The tyranny of distance of indigeneous football talent
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
May 20, 2011
ANYONE who saw Troy Taylor play would reel off his attributes with giddy enthusiasm - an athletic forward blessed with cat-like reflexes, good in the air and sharp on the ground.
His vision was advanced for his age and his skills, particularly by foot, were sublime. Perhaps most impressively in today's game, he had an appetite for chasing and tackling.
Taylor was recruited by Richmond in the 2009 AFL National Draft and played four senior games in his first season in 2010.
Then he was gone.
Taylor left the Tigers and flew to Darwin without warning on March 29. It was the second time in five months he had quit the club.
While he was persuaded back the first time, he now appears unwilling to resuscitate a career that promised so much.
Corey Taylor slowly shakes his head. Asked whether his brother will return to Punt Rd, he just says: "F----ed if I know."
It's an exasperation shared by all who know Troy Taylor. His mother and brothers have no idea what to do next in what is a train wreck they can't stop happening.
Indeed, Taylor spends more time talking about bottle shop opening hours than opening up AFL defences. Richmond continues to leave the door ajar but, in what is the last year of Taylor's contract, he will be another indigenous talent lost to the system.
His freakishly gifted former Richmond teammate, Relton Roberts, was sent home halfway through last year after suffering transitional issues in Melbourne without his partner and young son.
Roberts returned to Darwin but, caught in the grip of drinking and smoking, struggled to get a game for former club Wanderers FC.
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Full article here:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/the-tyranny-of-distance/story-e6frepf6-1226059270400
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Tigers refuse to give up on Taylor
Jon Pierik
May 20, 2011
AS RICHMOND prepares to celebrate Dreamtime at the 'G against Essendon and the contribution the indigenous have made to the sport, the Tigers are working to help one of their own preserve his football career.
Troy Taylor, 19, returned to the Northern Territory for personal reasons in March and is unlikely to rejoin the Tigers this year. He played four matches in his debut season last year. But he continued to struggle to adjust to life in Melbourne and the commitment required to be an AFL player.
While his mother wants him to pursue his football career, the lure of friends at home in Alice Springs remains strong.
The Tigers are keen for him to remain in a football environment, provided he is also, and perhaps play with the Northern Territory Thunder in the North East Australian Football League in a bid to ensure his talent is not wasted.
''We are working with the key people from Darwin to help support Troy,'' Tigers general manager of football Craig Cameron said last night. ''Part of that support involves speaking to the AFL to request they allow Troy to play in another competition which we think would be an important outcome for him in the short term.''
As Taylor remains on the Tigers' list, he will need approval from the AFL to play elsewhere. He is out of contract at the end of the year.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said motivation was the primary issue for Taylor. ''Troy has to make a decision whether he wants to commit to AFL footy,'' he said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-refuse-to-give-up-on-taylor-20110519-1euyf.html#ixzz1MoozTmNR
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From what i understand its this way..the AFL/Richmond is in the business of making money/winning permierships. Therefore players like Ben Cousins with a proven champion track record are given chances. Players with an unproven track record and essentially a risk to the bottom dollar and the chance at a premiership are given a token consideration and a small amount of leeway before they are given their marching orders. UNLESS they are of a minority group, and the Afl/Richmond have to be seen as doing the right thing. I am NOT a racist, just an average supporter, I understand that minority groups have to fight harder for things that others find easy, but I dont think its fair in elite sports that your minorities get an easier run than others. 100% effort should get 100% reward regardless of race colour or creed :gotigers
Great post buti maintain that Dan Connors is white, lazy trash that gets gifted games yet he is not a part of a minority, Gus Graham the same. :police:
And then there's Fev - a 30 year who came to footy with baggage and has never has grown up.
For me the issue has nothing to do with race. It's not right but naturally-gifted footballers are given a hell a lot more leeway to continually screw up, stuff around and be self-absorbed (Wayne Carey was another) than a footballer who has had to scratch and claw his way up each level to reach the AFL knowing one slip up will get him the flick. If Troy didn't have so much natural talent no one at the Club would give a stuff about him. Sadly Troy is too immature and is carrying too much baggage to realise the opportunity he is throwing away. He's not the first and he won't be the last.
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From what i understand its this way..the AFL/Richmond is in the business of making money/winning permierships. Therefore players like Ben Cousins with a proven champion track record are given chances. Players with an unproven track record and essentially a risk to the bottom dollar and the chance at a premiership are given a token consideration and a small amount of leeway before they are given their marching orders. UNLESS they are of a minority group, and the Afl/Richmond have to be seen as doing the right thing. I am NOT a racist, just an average supporter, I understand that minority groups have to fight harder for things that others find easy, but I dont think its fair in elite sports that your minorities get an easier run than others. 100% effort should get 100% reward regardless of race colour or creed :gotigers
Great post buti maintain that Dan Connors is white, lazy trash that gets gifted games yet he is not a part of a minority, Gus Graham the same. :police:
And then there's Fev - a 30 year who came to footy with baggage and has never has grown up.
For me the issue has nothing to do with race. It's not right but naturally-gifted footballers are given a hell a lot more leeway to continually screw up, stuff around and be self-absorbed (Wayne Carey was another) than a footballer who has had to scratch and claw his way up each level to reach the AFL knowing one slip up will get him the flick. If Troy didn't have so much natural talent no one at the Club would give a stuff about him. Sadly Troy is too immature and is carrying too much baggage to realise the opportunity he is throwing away. He's not the first and he won't be the last.
Great Post
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From what i understand its this way..the AFL/Richmond is in the business of making money/winning permierships. Therefore players like Ben Cousins with a proven champion track record are given chances. Players with an unproven track record and essentially a risk to the bottom dollar and the chance at a premiership are given a token consideration and a small amount of leeway before they are given their marching orders. UNLESS they are of a minority group, and the Afl/Richmond have to be seen as doing the right thing. I am NOT a racist, just an average supporter, I understand that minority groups have to fight harder for things that others find easy, but I dont think its fair in elite sports that your minorities get an easier run than others. 100% effort should get 100% reward regardless of race colour or creed :gotigers
Great post buti maintain that Dan Connors is white, lazy trash that gets gifted games yet he is not a part of a minority, Gus Graham the same. :police:
And then there's Fev - a 30 year who came to footy with baggage and has never has grown up.
For me the issue has nothing to do with race. It's not right but naturally-gifted footballers are given a hell a lot more leeway to continually screw up, stuff around and be self-absorbed (Wayne Carey was another) than a footballer who has had to scratch and claw his way up each level to reach the AFL knowing one slip up will get him the flick. If Troy didn't have so much natural talent no one at the Club would give a stuff about him. Sadly Troy is too immature and is carrying too much baggage to realise the opportunity he is throwing away. He's not the first and he won't be the last.
Agree MT, great post. :thumbsup
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On the issue of racism if you use colour or race in a derogatory manner it's racism. You can never understand it unless you are in a position of minority or oppression. It's offensive and a completely unacceptable.
Pipe down Peckerwood >:(
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yeh,STFU! :cheers
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Wheres cracker?
:lol
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Don't be so stuffing rude. Get out.
Both of you.
>:(
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What? Who is this?
How very dare you!
Do you know who I am? >:(
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Yes, I know very well who you are! You're my son! Now get to bed.
>:(
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Yes, I know very well who you are! You're my son! Now get to bed.
>:(
Uh, ok. Sorry Dad.
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LOL
They're a flock of fresh air.....little Darls
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You know I love you. You could run over my chicken shed and I still love you....
Bed time
>:(
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If I remember correctly,
Gary Ablett struggled at hawthorn early in his career because he could not live in the city.... preferred the bush.
He was 23/ 24 before he went to Geelong and became the greatest footballer to ever put the boots on.
Nathan Ablett had the footy World at this feet after winning a flag with the cats..... and discovered that it wasn't for him.
My point is..... there are countless footballers with all the talent to make it..... who find that as much as it seems like the ultimate dream, they find that it isn't theirs..... again it has nothing to do with race.
It happens with movie stars, rock stars etc etc. of all cultures and backgrounds.
Troy is 19 years old.... How many of us had a clue at 19?
As Joseph Campbell once said... "What happens when you get to the top of the ladder, only to discover it's against the wrong wall."
We may be angry at Troy for not wanting our dream, but it might not be his.
He may have thought so at the time... but now is unsure.
It takes courage to way away from something... even it it seems like the wrong thing to do to everyone else and draws criticism and even hatred.
He is trying to find himself and his identity... just like all of us.
I hope he finds and lives his dream, whatever that may be.
Personally I would love to see him make it as i am excited by his potential.
Maybe, just maybe.... he like Gary Ablett, will realize that footy and playing AFL is his dream and becomes one of the greatest ever.
Only time will tell and only Troy knows what his path in life maybe.
Whatever it is... I wish him all the best,
Good luck to you brother
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That's all fine but he expected a house.....on top of a wall he didnt want to climb,to use your analogy.
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does Melbourne have an equivalent to Redfern? or did you herd all your aborigines off a cliff? where's the local indigenous community? in a laneway drinking coffee?
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Snip!!!!!!!!
Enough with the sniping and pot shots at one another :banghead :banghead
Debate the issue in other words play the ball and not the man ->>>> EVERYONE
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If I remember correctly,
Gary Ablett struggled at hawthorn early in his career because he could not live in the city.... preferred the bush.
He was 23/ 24 before he went to Geelong and became the greatest footballer to ever put the boots on.
Nathan Ablett had the footy World at this feet after winning a flag with the cats..... and discovered that it wasn't for him.
My point is..... there are countless footballers with all the talent to make it..... who find that as much as it seems like the ultimate dream, they find that it isn't theirs..... again it has nothing to do with race.
It happens with movie stars, rock stars etc etc. of all cultures and backgrounds.
Troy is 19 years old.... How many of us had a clue at 19?
As Joseph Campbell once said... "What happens when you get to the top of the ladder, only to discover it's against the wrong wall."
We may be angry at Troy for not wanting our dream, but it might not be his.
He may have thought so at the time... but now is unsure.
It takes courage to way away from something... even it it seems like the wrong thing to do to everyone else and draws criticism and even hatred.
He is trying to find himself and his identity... just like all of us.
I hope he finds and lives his dream, whatever that may be.
Personally I would love to see him make it as i am excited by his potential.
Maybe, just maybe.... he like Gary Ablett, will realize that footy and playing AFL is his dream and becomes one of the greatest ever.
Only time will tell and only Troy knows what his path in life maybe.
Whatever it is... I wish him all the best,
Good luck to you brother
Really well said. :cheers
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That's all fine but he expected a house.....on top of a wall he didnt want to climb,to use your analogy.
I'll say it before and I'll say it again, people keep acusing him of this but you have no idea exactly the context of the comment was.
You have no way of possibly knowing that he wanted an actual deed to a property
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That's all fine but he expected a house.....on top of a wall he didnt want to climb,to use your analogy.
I'll say it before and I'll say it again, people keep acusing him of this but you have no idea exactly the context of the comment was.
You have no way of possibly knowing that he wanted an actual deed to a property
You are correct
My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want them to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
The other point you made earlier which I reckon is totally on the money is that with his record it would was always going to be harder and in effecy take longer to organise
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does Melbourne have an equivalent to Redfern? where's the local indigenous community?
Nah Melbourne doesn't, at least when compared to Italians of Lygon St (Carlton), Greeks along Sydney Rd (Northern suburbs) or Chinese in Little Bourke St (Chinatown). There's a local indigenous community (Wurundjeri) but you wouldn't relate a specific suburb to them like a Redfern. Maybe it has something to do with Melbourne being founded via a treaty unlike other parts of Australia. Anyway if you walk the streets of Melbourne you're more likely to bump into every nationality before you bump into a full-blooded aborigine. It would be a culture shock if you had grown up in a mostly indigenous area and population in northern Australia. Some people can adapt to the new surroundings and thrive while others can't for whatever reason. Troy is one of the latter. As I said not the first and won't be the last.
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
Hate to break this to you FNM ;D but all AFL clubs do it; that is assist interstate/country players in find a house to rent when they move out from thier host families :thumbsup
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does Melbourne have an equivalent to Redfern? or did you herd all your aborigines off a cliff? where's the local indigenous community? in a laneway drinking coffee?
Fitzroy is probably the closest urban equivalent to Redfern, but only a small pocket or two.
Other regional centers have a higher proportion of our non-reflective cousins. Lakes Entrance/Lake Tyers for example.
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
Hate to break this to you FNM ;D but all AFL clubs do it; that is assist interstate/country players in find a house to rent when they move out from thier host families :thumbsup
So why didn't they help him?
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So why didn't they help him?
They were but these things take time and lets not forget he only came back to Melb in Jan
IIRC they were even helping to arrange for his brother & sster-in-law to move to Melb to live with him
It would seem it wasn't quick enough for Troy
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So why didn't they help him?
They were but these things take time and lets not forget he only came back to Melb in Jan
IIRC they were even helping to arrange for his brother & sster-in-law to move to Melb to live with him
It would seem it wasn't quick enough for Troy
FHO
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Wheres the Geez Man??
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So why didn't they help him?
They were but these things take time and lets not forget he only came back to Melb in Jan
IIRC they were even helping to arrange for his brother & sster-in-law to move to Melb to live with him
It would seem it wasn't quick enough for Troy
There are kids out there would give their you know whats to play AFL and we babysit people who don't want to be here.
Get rid of him and give his spot to someone who wants to be here :thumbsup
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But FMN, weren't you confused when you were 19? Didn't you make mistakes? If you did, were you given a 2nd chance?
LMFAOOOOOOOOO
:lol
Agreed. FHO. little poo
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
How easy do you think it is for someone with a criminal record to get a lease on property when he has no previous history in renting a property?
The rental market is hard enough as it is, without the club's help there is no way he would have got a place by himself
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
How easy do you think it is for someone with a criminal record to get a lease on property when he has no previous history in renting a property?
The rental market is hard enough as it is, without the club's help there is no way he would have got a place by himself
Then he should have stayed with a host family
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But FMN, weren't you confused when you were 19? Didn't you make mistakes? If you did, were you given a 2nd chance?
LMFAOOOOOOOOO
:lol
Agreed. FHO. little poo
I'd go one further.
Set him up so he goes to Jail until he's 32
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LMAO @ Toy Trailer :rollin
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
How easy do you think it is for someone with a criminal record to get a lease on property when he has no previous history in renting a property?
The rental market is hard enough as it is, without the club's help there is no way he would have got a place by himself
Then he should have stayed with a host family
HE WAS!! He was staying with a family and then moved in with Mitch Morton
However he wanted to live by himself!! That was what people are making such a big deal about thinking he wanted the club to buy him a house when it was never the case. Not sure how this is hard to comprehend.
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
How easy do you think it is for someone with a criminal record to get a lease on property when he has no previous history in renting a property?
The rental market is hard enough as it is, without the club's help there is no way he would have got a place by himself
Then he should have stayed with a host family
HE WAS!! He was staying with a family and then moved in with Mitch Morton
However he wanted to live by himself!! That was what people are making such a big deal about thinking he wanted the club to buy him a house when it was never the case. Not sure how this is hard to comprehend.
Then he goes to another host family, likes it or just go home
He's too hard. If he doesn't want it, just leave!
Don't draft any more of them either, over it :banghead
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PS: Happy Indigneous Week lol :rollin
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
How easy do you think it is for someone with a criminal record to get a lease on property when he has no previous history in renting a property?
The rental market is hard enough as it is, without the club's help there is no way he would have got a place by himself
Then he should have stayed with a host family
HE WAS!! He was staying with a family and then moved in with Mitch Morton
However he wanted to live by himself!! That was what people are making such a big deal about thinking he wanted the club to buy him a house when it was never the case. Not sure how this is hard to comprehend.
Then he goes to another host family, likes it or just go home
He's too hard. If he doesn't want it, just leave!
Don't draft any more of them either, over it :banghead
FFS, I was not defending him for his reasoning, I think it's perfectly justified given his history that the club would want to make sure he's around a positive role model who will make sure he gets to training, eats well, stays off the booze etc.
I was simply pointing out that he wasn't asking to be given a property, which most of the keyboard warriors in this thread seem to think is the case.
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Froarsy unleashing :lol
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Anybody remember the Coori band,"No Fixed Address" ?
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stuff!
@ the G and as soon as the lights went out I copped a spear in the leg!
Pricks.
Rotten music too :rollin
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
How easy do you think it is for someone with a criminal record to get a lease on property when he has no previous history in renting a property?
The rental market is hard enough as it is, without the club's help there is no way he would have got a place by himself
Then he should have stayed with a host family
HE WAS!! He was staying with a family and then moved in with Mitch Morton
However he wanted to live by himself!! That was what people are making such a big deal about thinking he wanted the club to buy him a house when it was never the case. Not sure how this is hard to comprehend.
Then he goes to another host family, likes it or just go home
He's too hard. If he doesn't want it, just leave!
Don't draft any more of them either, over it :banghead
What a stuffing puerile post.
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Tiges can call in an say hello to TTT next week in Darwin can't they?
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
How easy do you think it is for someone with a criminal record to get a lease on property when he has no previous history in renting a property?
The rental market is hard enough as it is, without the club's help there is no way he would have got a place by himself
Then he should have stayed with a host family
HE WAS!! He was staying with a family and then moved in with Mitch Morton
However he wanted to live by himself!! That was what people are making such a big deal about thinking he wanted the club to buy him a house when it was never the case. Not sure how this is hard to comprehend.
Then he goes to another host family, likes it or just go home
He's too hard. If he doesn't want it, just leave!
Don't draft any more of them either, over it :banghead
What a effing puerile post.
Im taking a stab here, but i think you will find she may have meant no more of them being no more of "hard basket type of risky players"
Not everything has to do with race FFS
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
Hate to break this to you FNM ;D but all AFL clubs do it; that is assist interstate/country players in find a house to rent when they move out from thier host families :thumbsup
Yeah and Dusty already had the room at March's.
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Anybody remember the Coori band,"No Fixed Address" ?
I know the band you are thinking of. They were actually called 'No Fixed Doors'...
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Im taking a stab here, but i think you will find she may have meant no more of them being no more of "hard basket type of risky players"
Not everything has to do with race FFS
Spot on. We're talking footy on this site, that's what I'm talking about.
Any suggestion otherwise is offensive
I think you need some HRT, mate. Calm down ::)
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LM AO ;D
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you laugh :police:
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
How easy do you think it is for someone with a criminal record to get a lease on property when he has no previous history in renting a property?
The rental market is hard enough as it is, without the club's help there is no way he would have got a place by himself
Then he should have stayed with a host family
HE WAS!! He was staying with a family and then moved in with Mitch Morton
However he wanted to live by himself!! That was what people are making such a big deal about thinking he wanted the club to buy him a house when it was never the case. Not sure how this is hard to comprehend.
Then he goes to another host family, likes it or just go home
He's too hard. If he doesn't want it, just leave!
Don't draft any more of them either, over it :banghead
What a effing puerile post.
Im taking a stab here, but i think you will find she may have meant no more of them being no more of "hard basket type of risky players"
Not everything has to do with race FFS
Given most of this thread has become about race it is hard to distinguish what is about race and what is;t.
Anyway, FNM if that is what you meant, my apologies.
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Im taking a stab here, but i think you will find she may have meant no more of them being no more of "hard basket type of risky players"
Not everything has to do with race FFS
Spot on. We're talking footy on this site, that's what I'm talking about.
Any suggestion otherwise is offensive
I think you need some HRT, mate. Calm down ::)
Like I wrote in the last post - read this thread, where is the footy?
BTW, perfectly calm - would think what i wrote if you meant what I thought!
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
How easy do you think it is for someone with a criminal record to get a lease on property when he has no previous history in renting a property?
The rental market is hard enough as it is, without the club's help there is no way he would have got a place by himself
Then he should have stayed with a host family
HE WAS!! He was staying with a family and then moved in with Mitch Morton
However he wanted to live by himself!! That was what people are making such a big deal about thinking he wanted the club to buy him a house when it was never the case. Not sure how this is hard to comprehend.
Then he goes to another host family, likes it or just go home
He's too hard. If he doesn't want it, just leave!
Don't draft any more of them either, over it :banghead
What a effing puerile post.
Im taking a stab here, but i think you will find she may have meant no more of them being no more of "hard basket type of risky players"
Not everything has to do with race FFS
Given most of this thread has become about race it is hard to distinguish what is about race and what is;t.
Anyway, FNM if that is what you meant, my apologies.
Thank you :thumbsup
Now, back to the issue, is there a problem with coo... Indigenous players, that sometimes they're just not worth the effort if there isn't a want by them to really want to play the game? Wouldn't you prefer (after this example) to go for someone else (regardless of nationality, religion, race) who wants to play, wants to leave his home, mum, dad, humpy, whatever?
What I'm saying is I'm sick and tired of nurturing babies who can't handle the big time.
The AFL should set up schools for all young kids to let them know what they're in for, teach them how to look after themselves - how to handle money, media, finding houses, schools, whatever it takes to make them independent, confident.
Is it racist to say we're dealing with a group who have problems more than most? That is what I'm saying. I'm just saying, is it worth it to continually try and baby them in the hope that one time they might come good? I would have said yes plenty of times, but after numerous problems, numerous times when someone just can't handle the basics of life, you have to scratch your head and say just FHO, let him go home and give some other kid who would give his eye teeth to play.
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There was an interesting article in the local rag yesterday about the problems indigenous players from the territory have making the adjustments. A big part of the problem is how their family structure works.
The same article mentioned how Liam jurrah is currently under immense pressure from his clan to return home and help them in a year old family feud.
That sort of poo is just stuffed.
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Get a new family.
Marry a white chick.
Build a stuffing fridge.
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
he comes from the desert.
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There was an interesting article in the local rag yesterday about the problems indigenous players from the territory have making the adjustments. A big part of the problem is how their family structure works.
The same article mentioned how Liam jurrah is currently under immense pressure from his clan to return home and help them in a year old family feud.
That sort of poo is just stuffed.
Yeah, it was an interesting read, actually both parts the first bit in Friday's HUN & then yesterday
There was also a really interesting article/interview with Carl Peterson in the Age, talking about the problems he had adjusting to the demands of footy and the way he was bought up to deal with things compared to how "we" (main stream society) deal with things. It was interesting - and let me stress he wasn't in anyway making excuses for stuffing things up just trying to explain why he did some of the things he did
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Tigers confident Taylor will return to AFL
Larine Statham
May 27, 2011 - 7:19PM
AAP
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is confident absent recruit Troy Taylor "will come to the right decision" and rejoin his teammates.
Taylor, who made his AFL debut with the Tigers last season, walked out on the club in March to return to the Northern Territory after battling various problems, including an assault charge and homesickness.
Hardwick, ahead of Saturday night's clash with Port Adelaide, told reporters Richmond's football general manager Craig Cameron would meet with Taylor while the ninth-placed club was in Darwin.
"Our thing with Troy is that he's got to make up his mind about whether he's willing to commit to AFL footy," Hardwick said.
"I've no doubt he's got the talent.
"I think eventually he will come to the right decision."
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale said the club had spent a lot of time with the 19-year-old forward.
"It's probably fair to say we've already made a lot of compromises," Gale said.
"AFL football is tough, it can be uncompromising and we will do whatever we can to support our players to rise to the challenge.
"At this stage if he is prepared to accept the responsibility that comes with being an AFL footballer we'd be happy to talk with Troy, that's for sure.
"He's still a listed AFL player."
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/tigers-confident-taylor-will-return-to-afl-20110527-1f89w.html
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Well done the the RFC for going all out to help this kid succeed and realise the chance he has, although I do not completely agree with the club that they have ''made a lot of comprimises''.
Troy, you may wan't to realise the opportunity you have been given, get back to the club, knuckle down and repay the club the same respect they have offered you!! :thumbsup
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My understanding is this - he didn't/doesn't want him to buy a house. Assitance with finding one/leasing one yep but buy one NO.
Why can't he find a house to rent or buy himself like most others do.
Is this for real? lol
He needs assistance? :rollin
he comes from the desert.
some desert its a big cosmopolitan city called darwin. where it seems all tt has learnt is how to rob service stations and gate crash parties and punch people. i suppose aboriginals dont live in houses up darwin way.
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Troy Taylor still welcome at Richmond: Hardwick
Grey Morris in Darwin
From: Herald Sun
May 28, 2011
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has again put out the welcome mat for Troy Taylor - on the proviso he conforms to standards required of an AFL player.
Hardwick was asked about Taylor, who has walked out on the Tigers twice, while in Darwin to prepare his players for tonight's Round 10 game against Port Adelaide.
"Troy's up here and (football manager) Craig Cameron will catch up with him," the coach said.
"Our thing with Troy is, he's got to make up his mind on whether he commits to AFL footy. I've got no doubts he has got the talent. It's whether he's prepared to commit to an AFL standard that we set as a footy club.
"I think eventually he will come to the right decision. It's just a matter of taking some time.
"We've put in a submission to the AFL that he can play with NT Thunder, we think it's beneficial for his footy that he keeps involved with the game."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/troy-taylor-still-welcome-at-richmond-hardwick/story-e6frf9mx-1226064480332
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I have a question.
If the person wasnt Troy Taylor and had the same unconfirmed potential and lived in Melbourne, lets the kids name was Joe Bloggs who came from Broadmeadows, and Joe walked out of the RFC, would RFC keep offering the opportunity to return???
NO !.
Many players have walked away or have been told to not come back.
I wonder why this case is different ???
New faciliites at Punt Rd, Government funded . :shh
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The club showed the same compassion to Polak as well.
Some injuries are physical... the more subtle and quite harder ones to overcome are mental issues.
Often a more lonely struggle... where the right choices are harder to see and make.
Beyond race and culture... depression affects individuals across the spectrum of life.
It saddens me to see such hatred toward another culture or race..... such intolerance and unwillingness to walk in another persons shoes.... or understand their ways.
We are all people... trying to find our way in this crazy World.
He is a kid (19)..yeah he might not make it.... but i am proud of the way the club is handling it all.... especially in this age where money rules sports and athletes are regarded as assets in a business.
Well done Tigers... it just makes me love the club all the more..... now doubt it makes the players play for the jumper more too... knowing that the club cares about them as people as well as employees.
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the club have not shown the same compansion to several players I know
Especially the player who had the gambling issues.
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I think jack the question that needs to be asked this season is ''is he keeping anyone of the rookies out of the side"
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Jackstar, is it a fair comparison to compare what the club does now compared to what they did pre last year?
It's a different coaching regime with a different outlook. Surely doing things different to how it was done is a good thing, considering there was not too much we have got right in the last three decades?
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I have a question.
If the person wasnt Troy Taylor and had the same unconfirmed potential and lived in Melbourne, lets the kids name was Joe Bloggs who came from Broadmeadows, and Joe walked out of the RFC, would RFC keep offering the opportunity to return???
NO !.
Many players have walked away or have been told to not come back.
I wonder why this case is different ???
New faciliites at Punt Rd, Government funded . :shh
i bet if dustin martin went awol they would treat dustin the same
as grimes
as helbig
as conca
as bachelor
as jack
everyone
i think u r wrong jackstar
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the club have not shown the same compansion to several players I know
Especially the player who had the gambling issues.
thats the risk they take , gambling is for fools , and fools alone
troys issues are not self inflicted , i have no sympathy at all for gamblers
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I have a question.
If the person wasnt Troy Taylor and had the same unconfirmed potential and lived in Melbourne, lets the kids name was Joe Bloggs who came from Broadmeadows, and Joe walked out of the RFC, would RFC keep offering the opportunity to return???
NO !.
Many players have walked away or have been told to not come back.
I wonder why this case is different ???
New faciliites at Punt Rd, Government funded . :shh
i bet if dustin martin went awol they would treat dustin the same
as grimes
as helbig
as conca
as bachelor
as jack
everyone
i think u r wrong jackstar
You are dead right X. Compassion comes in many forms, knowing how to handle different personalities with the right amount of caring, support and toughness depending on the circumstances. This has already happened in a very significant way with one of the names you mentioned and it is 'enlightening' to say the least reading some of the posts choosing no support or further chances for Taylor. If only they knew.........................
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the club have not shown the same compansion to several players I know
Especially the player who had the gambling issues.
Was that the only reason? If you're talking about who I think you are the kid was on the list for a couple of years and only ever had one good game in the reserves.
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I have a question.
If the person wasnt Troy Taylor and had the same unconfirmed potential and lived in Melbourne, lets the kids name was Joe Bloggs who came from Broadmeadows, and Joe walked out of the RFC, would RFC keep offering the opportunity to return???
NO !.
Many players have walked away or have been told to not come back.
I wonder why this case is different ???
New faciliites at Punt Rd, Government funded . :shh
You are right, he is black - that is the only reason. Black money is the reason he is on our list, that is why we have a set quota on our list.
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thats the risk they take , gambling is for fools , and fools alone
troys issues are not self inflicted , i have no sympathy at all for gamblers
Ignorance is bliss.
Isnt it funny how people preach without having any clue about the topic they are discussing.
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Wondering if there was any outcome to this following CC's visit to Darwin or whether it was all just spin?
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You are right, he is black - that is the only reason. Black money is the reason he is on our list, that is why we have a set quota on our list.
That's just wrong.
Black doesn't have any money, he is just a down on his luck closet Bulldog supporter.
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Wonaeamirri gone on indefinite leave back home again.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/115177/default.aspx
Black doesn't have any money, he is just a down on his luck closet Bulldog supporter.
with a massive soft spot for North and loose chicks on welfare
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Black doesn't have any money, he is just a down on his luck closet Bulldog supporter.
Eff you Big Fella ;D
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with a massive soft spot for North and loose chicks on welfare
hahaa! .....and eff you too Gerk
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thats the risk they take , gambling is for fools , and fools alone
troys issues are not self inflicted , i have no sympathy at all for gamblers
Ignorance is bliss.
Isnt it funny how people preach without having any clue about the topic they are discussing.
What's even funnier are those who carry on,thinking they know better but offer nothing other than ideals in the debate....
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thats the risk they take , gambling is for fools , and fools alone
troys issues are not self inflicted , i have no sympathy at all for gamblers
Ignorance is bliss.
Isnt it funny how people preach without having any clue about the topic they are discussing.
What's even funnier are those who carry on,thinking they know better but offer nothing other than ideals in the debate....
once again gambling is for morons and morons alone
only idiots throw away their money or money they have scammed from others to feed their bs behavior
i know ppl and yes some of them family who have lost their homes due to gambling, wgaf, its their own fault and they deserve their loss like all gamblers do
can think of a milliion things to do to enjoy my life than gamble
anyone who gambles or uses drugs made their choice . eff them
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Black doesn't have any money, he is just a down on his luck closet Bulldog supporter.
Eff you Big Fella ;D
:rollin
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Disgruntled Richmond and former Wanderers, South Alice and Territory Thunder forward Troy Taylor has been linked with SANFL club Sturt.
Taylor, who has walked out on the Tigers twice this season, would join several NT players in a double blue jumper.
Sturt's football manager Duane Massey knew nothing of the Taylor link with his club.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/06/08/238811_ntsport.html
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didnot like our Victorian grubs
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I couldn't find this on the net so I scanned it in.....
Eagles clinch Troy, Relton
By Grey Morris
NT News - Football
Thurs 6 OCT 2011, Page 40
RELUCTANT Richmond recruit Troy Taylor and discarded AFL Tiger Relton Roberts will line up for Wanderers in Saturday's NTFL season opener against Nightcliff.
Taylor trained with the reigning premiers on Tuesday and told coach Paul Motlop he was keen to play footy again.
The NTFL Eagles need a clearance from Richmond before Taylor can renew his Top End career with the club.
"Troy told me he was ready to go and to get the paperwork done, so we're moving quickly in that direction,'' Motlop said last night.
"He looks in good shape for a bloke who hasn't played any footy for a long while.''
The story of Troy Taylor can be retold in households across the country.
The kid from the bush thrown on to Australian sport's biggest stage and into life in the big smoke.
Some adapt immediately, others falter slightly. Taylor joined that list when he quit the AFL Tigers twice, despite the promise of a glamour lifestyle and the envy of several young Australians.
A suspended sentence for assault followed and several months in the football wilderness, but now he is back doing what he does best.
"It's been three years since Troy played for Wanderers and we're just glad to have him back,'' Motlop said.
"We'll play him up forward where he can do the most damage for us.
"We're talking to Richmond and are confident we'll get his clearance in time for the Nightcliff game.''
Roberts is another playing enigma Motlop would love to find the right formula for.
"We'd love to have Relton back in a Wanderers jumper and I'm sure he wants to play for us again,'' he said.
"But he knows he has to train with us and I expect him at Jingili Oval tonight.''
Roberts is coming off a best on ground performance for Big Rivers Football League premiers Arnhem Crows.
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So does that mean we're keeping him? Or does giving a clearance mean we're letting him go?
This whole Troy Taylor thing seems a bit weird. If we're keen to keep him on the list (are we ???) I can only think the kid has incredible talent. Pity he hasn't stuck around long enough so any of us can see it. :-\
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So does that mean we're keeping him? Or does giving a clearance mean we're letting him go?
This whole Troy Taylor thing seems a bit weird. If we're keen to keep him on the list (are we ???) I can only think the kid has incredible talent. Pity he hasn't stuck around long enough so any of us can see it. :-\
He is contracted to the RFC until 31 October so he cannot play anywhere before then or until he is removed from the RFC's list unless the RFC grants permission and releases him
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So do you reckon we're just going to let his contract run out and delist him or do you think we're still holding out some hope for him?
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Given he has no trade value, I find it very strange that the club did not delist him along with the other 3 that went a few weeks back.
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something smells fishy bout this whole friggen thing. We let him go and we will get borked, bet on it.
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Its interesting that he is returning to footy now. Just in time to start a preseason somewhere I imagine.
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stuff him, let him go..sick to death of this saga
:o
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So do you reckon we're just going to let his contract run out and delist him or do you think we're still holding out some hope for him?
I have no nope that he will come back the RFC and quite frankly he doesn't deserve another chance from the RFC
I think he will be de-listed after trade week
Club's policy last season & this season has been to not to announce de-listings off the senior list until after trade week.
Sure the club would put his name up next week & sure no clubs will be interested
Personally care factor for me regarding Troy Taylor = ZERO
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Its interesting that he is returning to footy now. Just in time to start a preseason somewhere I imagine.
Apparently Richmond's request to allow him to train and play with NT Thunder was rejected by the AFL.
You're right in regards to being pre season, but the season proper starts this month, not next year.
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something smells fishy bout this whole friggen thing. We let him go and we will get borked, bet on it.
Reading too much into it I reckon Owl. Don't think this kid wants to (and will ever) do much more in football than the local grades.
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reckon you are bang on the money there smokey.
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stuff. this thread shows its ugly face again.
eff it all
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Why didn't he just stuffing say so then instead of hanging round like a rotten fart
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68 pages :scream
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Why didn't he just stuffing say so then instead of hanging round like a rotten fart
Agree with you but young, immature, messed up, starry-eyed, blah blah blah. Probably plenty of the dream being poles apart from the reality when it all became real.
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something smells fishy bout this whole friggen thing. We let him go and we will get borked, bet on it.
Reading too much into it I reckon Owl. Don't think this kid wants to (and will ever) do much more in football than the local grades.
Spot on Smokey. :thumbsup
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He's n ars crack
Taylor still has dreams of AFL
GREY MORRIS | NT News | October 7th, 2011
RECLUSIVE recruit Troy Taylor's AFL dream is far from over.
The 20-year-old forward delisted Tiger told the NT News last night he wanted to play AFL football again - at another club.
Taylor was officially delisted by Richmond yesterday after four games in two traumatic seasons at Punt Road.
He joined two other Territory footballers who spent the 2010 season at AFL clubs - Shane Thorne and Relton Roberts - at NTFL club Wanderers last night.
"That's good I'm delisted, it frees me up now to do what I want to do," he said.
"I'm going to play a full season with my mates at (NTFL club) Wanderers and see what happens from there."
"How are the recruits????????? Have they been playing for other NTFL clubs?????????"
DT
Part of his comeback plans include a season with the Northern Territory Thunder, who were premiers in the Brisbane-based NEAFL competition this year Thunder also won the cross-conference final by beating Canberra side Ainslie a week later.
"If Thunder want me I'd love to play there next year before nominating for the (2012) AFL draft," Taylor said.
But his playing days at Richmond are definitely over after two years of discontent when he walked out on the club twice when he felt the club was not supporting him.
"There's no more Tigers, I'll just wait and see what happens next year and go from there," he said.
"But the AFL dream's not over. Personally I felt they didn't help me as much as I would have liked and I didn't have anyone down there as a mentor type, which didn't help as well."
Taylor's demeanour changed from disappointment to excitement when asked why he was back at Wanderers, the club he had a brief stint with in 2008.
"It's my old club before I left Darwin and I've got a lot of brothers and cousins here," he said.
"Shane Thorne, Ali Bond, Relton Roberts, Jared Erlandson, all my good mates are at Wanderers and I know everyone else down here. If it goes well for me here I'll put myself back in the draft. A good season here, see what happens with Thunder in their season (April to September) and who knows from there."
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/10/07/265051_ntsport.html
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Knew it.
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Money is on him landing in the slammer before landing back at another club
I'll go up there and bait him into hitting me
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12 months of hanging around with the same mates that saw him get locked up to start with?
good luck with being a free man when the 2012 draft comes along.
if anyone takes a risk on him in the so called superdraft it would be a rookie at best.
On another note,
with both him and relton leaving the club with similar sentiments it begs the question, has the club still not got it right with dealing with indigenous players or did they just get their assessments of their character wrong?
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stuffing wrongun, blames everyone else for his rubbish. Hope no-one gives him the time of day.
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WANKERRR
Anyone remember the "I want a house mum" line?
ahahahaha
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stuffing wrongun, blames everyone else for his rubbish. Hope no-one gives him the time of day.
No clocks on the walls inside?
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I don't think Relton had anything bad to say about us, he said he regretted that he didn't make the most of his opportunity while he had it.
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He stole poo while he was at Richmond. What a moron. All our other 2009 recruits hate him so no chance us picking him back up.
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lol and finally the saga is put to bed - dont worry about him playing afl elsewhere - will never make it
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I don't think Relton had anything bad to say about us, he said he regretted that he didn't make the most of his opportunity while he had it.
He made some comment about being disappointed with the communication from the club. I cant remeber the exact quote, but it was a small dig.
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yeah he said there was static coming out of our talking sticks
maybe because his head was submerged in a bucket of chocolate milk?
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He stole poo while he was at Richmond. What a moron. All our other 2009 recruits hate him so no chance us picking him back up.
say what now?
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RECLUSIVE recruit Troy Taylor's AFL dream is far from over.
The 20-year-old forward delisted Tiger told the NT News last night he wanted to play AFL football again - at another club....
HRT - can you please supply a proper web link to this article please
We are required to link news articles
Thanks
WP
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He stole poo while he was at Richmond. What a moron. All our other 2009 recruits hate him so no chance us picking him back up.
say what now?
From the people helping him. He's a grade-a wanker. Few grand worth as well.
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Cleary wants his arse wiped for him and handed to a club who has done all the hard yards and building blocks in place, and not want to lay em himself. P-O then and thanks for wasting the clubs time and money
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Time to send Stafford up there to sort this pathetic little poo out
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Time to send Stafford up there to sort this pathetic little poo out
Bugger Stafford, this sound like a job for the "Gussinator", least he'll go all in ;D ;D
Edit: edited quote
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Beefy :bow :santa
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"That's good I'm delisted, it frees me up now to do what I want to do," he said.
Professional football is a team effort Troy. To have the ability to play a role that may negate your own game and glory so you gain team success which is what playing footy is all about. Selfish attitudes don't cut it. You still don't get it. You didn't get picked up until late in the draft because of your attitude problems and these quotes will just reinforce in the minds of AFL clubs that your poor attitude hasn't changed. Go sing on Australian Idol if it's all "what about me!" to you.
Personally I felt they didn't help me as much as I would have liked and I didn't have anyone down there as a mentor type, which didn't help as well."
The Club only helped you to not end up in jail and give you a chance of a better well-payed life and this is the thanks it gets ::). Oh I forgot you sooked and went AWOL because you said we didn't buy you a house :wallywink.
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give Troy a chance ffs :banghead
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give Troy a chance ffs :banghead
Why :-\
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give Troy a chance ffs :banghead
"a" chance?
He's had about 7 chances and blown them.
I rate his talent highly but the kid doesn't want it.
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give Troy a chance ffs :banghead
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Maybe he could get a job in demolition as he sure is good at burning bridges. :wallywink
His attitude sure does remind me of a particular film....
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4306/money21d.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4562/cgjr.jpg)
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give Troy a chance ffs :banghead
I hope that is sarcasm, Ronnie.
This spoilt little turd deserves nothing.
I just had a great mental image of beefcake stepping off the plane in Darwin and slapping TT right across the chops.
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give Troy a chance ffs :banghead
I did go back through this thread & I backed him
But not now when he comes out with crap like this"
"Personally I felt they didn't help me as much as I would have liked and I didn't have anyone down there as a mentor type, which didn't help as well"
Sorry but that is absolute garbage, he had a mentor type, whether the person was any good is another point but as for not getting the help he would have liked..please... :banghead :banghead
Aside from keeping him out of jail there was....
Mitch Morton who took him in when he made the choice to leave his host family, the Club made allowances for him, hell they did it all this year. Kept in contact with him after he walked out
Ungrateful little Sod :banghead
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12 months of hanging around with the same mates that saw him get locked up to start with?
good luck with being a free man when the 2012 draft comes along.
if anyone takes a risk on him in the so called superdraft it would be a rookie at best.
On another note,
with both him and relton leaving the club with similar sentiments it begs the question, has the club still not got it right with dealing with indigenous players or did they just get their assessments of their character wrong?
Al, do you seriously think Relton and Troy are worth contracts at any other club?
Carl Peterson got a second chance and was found to be an ars crack - and I got that quote from the coach.
Ars cracks are ars cracks - doesn't matter what colour they are.
Maybe we recruit badly in this area or perhaps we are having a bad run but the above bozos are poo blokes
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RFC should never do anything ever to help this bloke - he can get stuffed.
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Maybe we recruit badly in this area or perhaps we are having a bad run but the above bozos are poo blokes
After we recruited Taylor, Jackson was quoted in an interview talking about Taylor's problems and said Richmond backed in that we now had the right resources to bring out his best.
"He doesn't fully understand the requirements of professional footy yet and patience will be a virtue, but I think we're in a far better position to give Troy the support and development he needs than we would have a few years ago,'' Jackson said.
"He'll have a good role model in Richard Tambling and, of course, we needed to take everything into account when we drafted him."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-horizons-20091127-jwzs.html#ixzz1a5KEfATF
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12 months of hanging around with the same mates that saw him get locked up to start with?
good luck with being a free man when the 2012 draft comes along.
if anyone takes a risk on him in the so called superdraft it would be a rookie at best.
On another note,
with both him and relton leaving the club with similar sentiments it begs the question, has the club still not got it right with dealing with indigenous players or did they just get their assessments of their character wrong?
Al, do you seriously think Relton and Troy are worth contracts at any other club?
Carl Peterson got a second chance and was found to be an ars crack - and I got that quote from the coach.
Ars cracks are ars cracks - doesn't matter what colour they are.
Maybe we recruit badly in this area or perhaps we are having a bad run but the above bozos are poo blokes
No I don't, and after reading my post several times i still cant work out how you deduced that from what I wrote?
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His rolemodel was Tambling,who couldnt be stuffed either but was sneakier about it.
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His rolemodel was Tambling,who couldnt be stuffed either but was sneakier about it.
This ^^^^^
Couldn't be buggered performing on the field; bt was happy to be known as an off field ambassador.
The self promoting, coaxer
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On another note,
with both him and relton leaving the club with similar sentiments it begs the question, has the club still not got it right with dealing with indigenous players or did they just get their assessments of their character wrong?
Al, do you seriously think Relton and Troy are worth contracts at any other club?
No I don't, and after reading my post several times i still cant work out how you deduced that from what I wrote?
Al, after reading your post a million times, at all different angles including standing on my head I don't know wtf you expect people to think a comment on "dealing with indigenous players" can't somehow link to a view that maybe Troy and Relton would possibly have been better off at other clubs.
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give Troy a chance ffs :banghead
Another one after the last few he has been given? Yeah, right, that's how the real world works.
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:lol
you'd be good at cryptic crosswords
i'll make it more concise.
two players leave with similar sentiments.
We got something wrong.
did we get how we handled them wrong, or did we get our judgment on their character wrong?
or i suppose, they may not be related at all?
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Bye bye loser. Go ps your career up a wall in Darwin.
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FU TT :wallywink :wallywink
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:lol
you'd be good at cryptic crosswords
i'll make it more concise.
two players leave with similar sentiments.
We got something wrong.
did we get how we handled them wrong, or did we get our judgment on their character wrong?
or i suppose, they may not be related at all?
How about we got the pick wrong?
I reckon the character of either left a lot to be desired - one on the basis of discipline and the other on the basis of being self centered.
We risked on both and came up short - it only cost a low pick and a rookie spot so no biggie.
Both are where they truly belong.
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I agree with 10 Flags, this is all Daniel Jackson fault.
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Al I think we were wrong to select them. I was a supporter of the pick 51 risk as you never know whats going to happen. 51 rarely succeeds into a match winning type player. Troy had that ability to develop into, unfortunatly he didn't have the head on his shoulders to do so.
Relton was just never going to be AFL standard, he was never fit.
Looking back both probably should have stayed home in NT and save our time and theirs.
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I agree with 10 Flags, this is all Daniel Jackson fault.
:huh
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Taylor still has dreams of AFL
GREY MORRIS | NT News | October 7th, 2011
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/10/07/265051_ntsport.html
No idea who this Grey Morris journo is but I'm sure glad this crap from Troy was only run in a local rag and not picked up by the Hun or Age.
If every disgruntled ex spud player had the forum to voice their displeasure at being delisted you'd fill a paper from front to back every off season.
Sour grapes because your career went down the toilet does not make for good reading.
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I agree with 10 Flags, this is all Daniel Jackson fault.
:huh
Sorry Flags, read the wrong line.
I actually agree with Redan Tiger.
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What a stuck up little prick.
Once in a lifetime chance to have cotchin. Deledio. Martin. Conca. Give you the pill. Play at the feet of J8. Griff. Vickery.
In front of passion fans.
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Didn't want to do any hard work plain and simple. Wanted to be with his mates and booze up. What a waste of talent...what a fool...He has more chance of joining as a future inmate rather than an AFL team. ::)
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What a whining sook - Not totally unexpected from here!
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What a pack of savages you all are! >:( Were you not once a young boy? Give him a bloody chance!
Leave him alone!
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What a pack of savages you all are! >:( Were you not once a young boy? Give him a bloody chance!
Leave him alone!
Leave Brittany alone.....leave Brittany alone....PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
He had more than one chance mate and he didn't take them!!!
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Leave him alone!
Leave him alone why?? C'mon Wonnie, you put it out there, give us a good reason why all tigers supporters shouldn't be peeved with the attitude and the way this kid has handled himself at the club?????
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(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lot9smZGdD1qdemeu.jpg)
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Fev could end in the NTFL playing against Troy Taylor.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-14/20111014-fevola-plays-nt-afl/3571764
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ohhh Poor wittle Twoy just wants a fair go..... :'(
Maybe we should give him a 7th chance?
::)
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Taylor plays for Wanderers
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Taylor plays for Wanderers
My bad. I've edited my post.
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What a pack of savages you all are! >:( Were you not once a young boy? Give him a bloody chance!
Leave him alone!
He's not a young boy, he's 20 mate. When your in a professional environment like the AFL guys like Taylor are a waste of space.
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What am I missing? 20 is a kid, and this kid has talent to burn.
Surely someone at the club with their head screwed on will give him a second chance
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What am I missing? 20 is a kid, and this kid has talent to burn.
Surely someone at the club with their head screwed on will give him a second chance
You have GOT to be kidding mate...
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I beg your pardon?
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What am I missing? 20 is a kid, and this kid has talent to burn.
Surely someone at the club with their head screwed on will give him a second chance
They gave gim a 2nd chance, and then a 3rd, 4th and 5th . . . Sorry but if he doesn't want to be here then forget him.
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People on this site assume that, but how do we know?
Answer is you don't. Period.
So give the guy (and yourselves) a break. It's getting old.
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People on this site assume that, but how do we know?
Answer is you don't. Period.
So give the guy (and yourselves) a break. It's getting old.
We know it by the amount of times he has left . . . then come back . . . then left again . . . then come back . . . then left again . . . . then come back . . . then left again . . .
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That's it. I'm sick of arguing with all you fools. I'm going back to the other pub.
Good riddance
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Good riddance
You'l be right at home in the gimp hole. :thumbsup
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both fev and lovett have approval to play up here.
just heard it on local ABC
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both fev and lovett have approval to play up here.
just heard it on local ABC
Al is that play up or "Play up"? because that latter is a foregone conclusion..
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:laugh:
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He will have his ginger beer and chocolate eclairs over at famous five head quarters then he will be right back here when he is ready to pop someone for boring him to death.
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I look forward to having a laugh when Troy Taylor gets rejected by every single AFL club for being an ungrateful idiot then he ends up in jail where he belongs if not for us :lol
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Delete this thread. TT is a piece of poo.
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Clubs falling over themselves to pick Troy,grade a bunghole
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Whats that?
wachoo talkin bout willis?
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Clubs falling over themselves to pick Troy,grade a bunghole
Did he even nominate?
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Clubs falling over themselves to pick Troy,grade a bunghole
Did he even nominate?
probably ran out time because he was busy
looking for a house ;D
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Clubs falling over themselves to pick Troy,grade a bunghole
Did he even nominate?
probably ran out time because he was busy
looking for a house ;D
:lol :thatsgold
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"I want a house mum, they wont even get me a house, but mummy I want it nowwwwwwwwwww"
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Stupid guy.
Will end up in Jail 100% with that attitude.
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Herald-Sun claims the club's door is still ajar for Troy and he's still contracted. A lost cause though ...
Feeling the pulse of footy's red heart
by: Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
March 09, 2012 3:25PM
ANYONE who saw Troy Taylor play would reel off his attributes with giddy enthusiasm - an athletic forward blessed with cat-like reflexes, good in the air and sharp on the ground.
His vision was advanced for his age and his skills, particularly by foot, were sublime. Perhaps most impressively in today's game, he had an appetite for chasing and tackling.
Taylor was recruited by Richmond in the 2009 AFL National Draft and played four senior games in his first season in 2010.
Then he was gone.
Taylor left the Tigers and flew to Darwin without warning on March 29. It was the second time in five months he had quit the club.
While he was persuaded back the first time, he now appears unwilling to resuscitate a career that promised so much.
Corey Taylor slowly shakes his head. Asked whether his brother will return to Punt Rd, he just says: "F----ed if I know."
It's an exasperation shared by all who know Troy Taylor. His mother and brothers have no idea what to do next in what is a train wreck they can't stop happening.
Indeed, Taylor spends more time talking about bottle shop opening hours than opening up AFL defences. Richmond continues to leave the door ajar but, in what is the last year of Taylor's contract, he will be another indigenous talent lost to the system.
His freakishly gifted former Richmond teammate, Relton Roberts, was sent home halfway through last year after suffering transitional issues in Melbourne without his partner and young son.
Roberts returned to Darwin but, caught in the grip of drinking and smoking, struggled to get a game for former club Wanderers FC.
Full article at: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cc/story-e6frf9jf-1226295084517
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Corey Taylor slowly shakes his head. Asked whether his brother will return to Punt Rd, he just says: "F----ed if I know."
:lol
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The article brings up nothing new to say his even thinking about returning to punt road so I'm not surprised by his brothers reaction. I would say the same if some old employer of my brother called and asked if he wanted his job back.
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:lol played with cory a few games this year.
does amazing things for a big overweight fella.
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:sleep :sleep :sleep
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Corey Taylor slowly shakes his head. Asked whether his brother will return to Punt Rd, he just says: "F----ed if I know."
:lol
:rollin
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Very sad stuff really.
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Very sad stuff really.
It is indeed Willy. Alcoholism is self-medication for a broken soul.
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Herald-Sun claims the club's door is still ajar for Troy and he's still contracted. A lost cause though ...
Feeling the pulse of footy's red heart
by: Sam Edmund
COntracted eh?
He was DE-LISTED Sam means if he was contracted it becomes null & void and he has no ties to the RFC. Only way he can get back to any AFL club is via the draft :wallywink :wallywink and BTW my understanding was he was out of contract
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:sleep :sleep :sleep
How dare you treat Al's football career in this way >:(
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:lol
Why should he be any different to everyone else?
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Exactly I was of the thinking he was signed for two years on his drafting and that contract expired at the end of 2011.
Didn't take his chance goodbye and good-luck.
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Troy Taylor is now going to be playing in the Hume Football League (Albury region) for Walla Walla Hoppers ...
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=0-1039-0-0-0&sID=61063&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=18877881
Delisted Richmond excitement machine Troy Taylor will weave his magic with Hume Football League club Walla this season.
Only six months after being cut from the AFL club's list, Taylor trained trained with the Hoppers on Tuesday night and will be rushed into the Hoppers' team to play Osborne at Walla tomorrow.
His signing came about through contacts of Walla coach Merv Neagle who spent time at the helm of Northern Territory club St Marys.
Taylor, 20, said yesterday he was looking forward to helping the Hoppers back up the ladder.
"It's good to get here," Taylor said.
"I trained the other night and it's good."
Taylor played four matches in two tumultuous seasons at Punt Road after being picked up by Richmond in the fourth round of the 2009 draft.
He twice walked out on the Tigers, citing homesickness, before coach Damien Hardwick delisted him last October.
Taylor returned to the Northern Territory late last year and played seven matches for Wanderers as they charged into the preliminary final before bowing out of the premiership race with a 52-point loss to Nightcliff.
He has been joined at Walla by fellow Wanderers player Brentley Moreen, while at least two other NT players are poised to join the club soon.
Walla is confident of climbing serveral rungs up the ladder with the signing of Taylor, Moreen and Merbein key position player Brody Harris.
The club collected last year's wooden spoon.
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What the hell does this mean and based on what???? These comments in the press really poo me...gee was he that good...
"Delisted Richmond excitement machine Troy Taylor "
Just like;
Disgraced former Eagle
Mecurial former Bulldog
Maligned ex Bomber
:banghead
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What the hell does this mean and based on what???? These comments in the press really poo me...gee was he that good...
"Delisted Richmond excitement machine Troy Taylor "
Just like;
Disgraced former Eagle
Mecurial former Bulldog
Maligned ex Bomber
:banghead
Machete-man former demon?
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What the hell does this mean and based on what???? These comments in the press really poo me...gee was he that good...
"Delisted Richmond excitement machine Troy Taylor "
Just like;
Disgraced former Eagle
Mecurial former Bulldog
Maligned ex Bomber
:banghead
Machete-man former demon?
:laugh:
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Former Melbourne Gorillagram Gaddy Lyon has graduated from 24 hr idiot to 24 hr malaka.
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Former Melbourne Gorillagram Gaddy Lyon has graduated from 24 hr idiot to 24 hr malaka.
He has donated his hairy coat and public mane to the homeless. Stay warm kids.
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essendon pick up next year?
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essendon pick up next year?
Port... :thumbsup
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I would like to know why we can't draft 1 decent indigenous player yet me must watch Carlscum flourish with the likes of Betts, Yarran, Gartlett & I think Walker. Hawthorn with Franklin & Rioli (why isn't he playing with us?)
Other clubs seem to be able to pick, develope & keep great indigenous players but we always seem to have trouble in this area despite having the new indigenous center right in our building.
I want answers & I want to know what the club is doing about it.
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Rioli was pick 12 in 2007. I'm happy with Cotchin who was our pick prior to Rioli.
Hawthorns 1st indigenous recruit was Chance Bateman (I think).
It changes pretty quickly and can be attributed to luck as much as anything.
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Luck :lol :rollin
You would have to be joking
Clubs have to do a lot of "homework " then have the support structure
Some clubs do it well.some don't
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its a reasonable question tigra but also ridiculous, it has no more or less relevance than why havent we got more players of european descent on our list or even asian. Ive got a good idea, hold the prejudice and simply go after BEST available talent...now thats novel :shh
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Luck :lol :rollin
You would have to be joking
Clubs have to do a lot of "homework " then have the support structure
Some clubs do it well.some don't
So are you saying this homework and support structure made Cyril and Buddy the players they are today?
If so, why did Carl Peterson get de-listed?
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Cyril was attending a private school in Melbourne at the age of 14
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Carl was never going to make it as a long career player sorry to say
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And my mail on Buddy is that he cannot sneeze these days without the club knowing about
It's all about protecting your assests
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And my mail on Buddy is that he cannot sneeze these days without the club knowing about
It's all about protecting your assests
So Buddy doesn't make it at Richmond because we don't have private investigators?
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its a reasonable question tigra but also ridiculous, it has no more or less relevance than why havent we got more players of european descent on our list or even asian. Ive got a good idea, hold the prejudice and simply go after BEST available talent...now thats novel :shh
look I know that you should pick the best available but it may include an indigenous players but what it looks like to me is that we have trouble in two areas when it comes to this issue. We can't develop properly and we don't have the right support network as to keep them happy so they want to stay and flourish. I don't see the same issues at Essendon, Sydney, carlscum, hawthorn & collingwood.
If u want to be a great club I think it's important to be the best in all aspects.
And let's face it the indigenous boys are exciting when they are at their peek it's exciting for footy the club & exciting for the footy public. It's what brings people thru the gates. I would love see it at Richmond.
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it an interesting question, do we have a problem in managing the indigineous players we draft or are we simply drafting players that aren't cut out to make it at an elite level...Id suggest the latter considering just how far these lads have to come to become professional footballers. Im not sure we need to diver resources to address this other than continue to focus on best talent, if they are indigineous then so be it , if not then so be it also :thumbsup
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True BJ. Not sure how much more we could have done to get the likes of RT and TT to play good footy.
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Generally our picks are later in the draft too which adds to the chances of them not making it. Most that make it are picked up quite high because they arnt at greater risk of leaving.
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Troy Taylor a what player :lol mythical walkabout champion. may he break his neck ;D
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Cyril was attending a private school in Melbourne at the age of 14
exactly. was accustomed to the melbourne lifestyle from a very early age.
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Troy Taylor a what player :lol mythical walkabout champion. may he break his neck ;D
would have flourished at hawthorn.
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Over hyped and over rated talent, couldn't kick
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Over hyped and over rated talent, couldn't kick
you'll never know..... They might have bought him a house & he may have been a star. Who knows?
My point is the tigers have a terrible record and our only indigenous player in Edwards isn't much loved on this forum. I for one hope this changes in the future. I would love to see some indigenous stars in the yellow & Black.
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Mr Tigra, you must been on pilgrimage when the shitstorm broke over Matt Rendells comments.
He was trying to make a point about the high attrition rate of indinginous players, and he didnt mention Richmond specifically.
Of the player you mentions in your eariler post;
Rioli attended boarding school prior to being drafted.
Betts went through a scholarship program before being drafted
yarran was playing senior footy in WA and gartlett was also playinng at a WAFL club.
They all had stepping stones , so to speak rather just being taken from a remote community and thrown into the deep end of AFL football, which again comes back to what rendell wanted to be set up.
Taylor was bought up within the system, so to speak. His mother was a school teacher and he lived in Darwin. He was just an eff up who didn't have the discipline required, just as many before him and I'm sure many still to come. His heritage played no part in his problems.
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Troy Taylor is now going to be playing in the Hume Football League (Albury region) for Walla Walla Hoppers ...
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=0-1039-0-0-0&sID=61063&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=18877881
Delisted Richmond excitement machine Troy Taylor will weave his magic with Hume Football League club Walla this season.
Only six months after being cut from the AFL club's list, Taylor trained trained with the Hoppers on Tuesday night and will be rushed into the Hoppers' team to play Osborne at Walla tomorrow.
His signing came about through contacts of Walla coach Merv Neagle who spent time at the helm of Northern Territory club St Marys.
Taylor, 20, said yesterday he was looking forward to helping the Hoppers back up the ladder.
"It's good to get here," Taylor said.
"I trained the other night and it's good."
Taylor played four matches in two tumultuous seasons at Punt Road after being picked up by Richmond in the fourth round of the 2009 draft.
He twice walked out on the Tigers, citing homesickness, before coach Damien Hardwick delisted him last October.
Taylor returned to the Northern Territory late last year and played seven matches for Wanderers as they charged into the preliminary final before bowing out of the premiership race with a 52-point loss to Nightcliff.
He has been joined at Walla by fellow Wanderers player Brentley Moreen, while at least two other NT players are poised to join the club soon.
Walla is confident of climbing serveral rungs up the ladder with the signing of Taylor, Moreen and Merbein key position player Brody Harris.
The club collected last year's wooden spoon.
According to sporting pulse
http://www.sportingpulse.com/round_info.cgi?a=MATCH&fixture=123714803&c=1-1039-0-209915-0&pool=1
Troy didnt play today
1QG 1QB Q1PTS 2QG 2QB Q2PTS 3QG 3QG Q3PTS 4QG 4QB PTS
Walla 2 0 12 2 0 12 4 3 27 5 3 33
Osborne 4 3 27 11 10 76 15 11 101 21 17 143
Walla
Goal Kickers: B. Harris 3, J. MURRAY 2
Best Players: D. Spicer, A. Wood, J. QUINLIVAN, J. Hills, M. WHITE, G. Webb Osborne
Goal Kickers: D. McAlister 4, T. Perczyk 4, L. Schneider 2, R. Muggivan 2, N. O''Connell 2, L. Adams 2, J. Kennedy , S. Creasy , M. BAHR , L. Heyme , S. CROWHURST
Best Players: S. CROWHURST, R. Muggivan, J. Kennedy, N. O''Connell, M. BAHR, A. CLARKE
Walla Player Name G BST
Guy Webb 0 6
Martin White 0 5
Jarrod Hills 0 4
Jayden Quinlivan 0 3
Andrew Wood 0 2
Damien Spicer 0 1
Bradley Wooten 0 0
Scott Brunnenmeyer 0 0
Ashley Paech 0 0
Brad Webb 0 0
Darren Lieschke 0 0
Kris Milosta 0 0
Justin Carter 0 0
Dean Webb 0 0
Josh Oster 0 0
Harry Trezise 0 0
Mitchell O'Brien 0 0
Jason Murray 2 0
Brody Harris 3 0
Osborne Player Name G BST
Andrew Clarke 0 6
Thomas O'Connell 0 0
Hayden Gleeson 0 0
Andrew White 0 0
Matthew Clarke 0 0
James Creasy 0 0
Jamie Parr 0 0
Benjamin Davis 0 0
Daniel O'Connell 0 0
Simon Lane 0 0
Martin Bahr 1 5
James Kennedy 1 3
Steven Crowhurst 1 1
Stace Creasy 1 0
Luke Heyme 1 0
Nicholas O'Connell 2 4
Rory Muggivan 2 2
Leigh Schneider 2 0
Luke Adams 2 0
Trent Perczyk 4 0
Daniel Mcalister 4 0