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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tiger till i die on January 19, 2010, 10:11:18 PM
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Do you guys reckon that we will have a similar turnout as we did last year to our first game?
Ill be there :gotigers
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Do you guys reckon that we will have a similar turnout as we did last year to our first game?
Ill be there :gotigers
Crowd down a bit but many more than most will expect. And yes, I'll be there too.
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73,000 to see Judd's first game
86,000 to see Cuz's first game
91,000 to see Richo's farewelll
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Richo will pull a fair crowd.
The game doesn't have the football hype of last year, which could change if we have a good showing in the NAB cup. Silly bet i know but given the unknown effect that Hardwick has had on the players, what are our odds to take out the NAB cup?
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Ratten saying he expects Murphy and Waite to play. I wonder if they will.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/88862/default.aspx
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Both Ratten and Waite would be underdone.
If Ratten is starting with this crap three weeks before NAB Cup you know the Filth are well short of their best 22 come March 25.
As for the crowd I would say somewhere betwen 75 and 80K.
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If Murphy and Waite played for Richmond and that was a RFC website article then after last year you could virtually right both off for the whole season :-X :yep. At Punt Rd "we reckon he'll be right to play round 1" translates into you won't see that player until round 10 at best :P.
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Sadly,2010 for me,signifies the pinnacle of loss of interest in the game and the RFC.
I'm over being over it.
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Sadly,2010 for me,signifies the pinnacle of loss of interest in the game and the RFC.
I'm over being over it.
I'll be there but this post could not have put it better. My sentiments exactly.
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I'll be there for Richo
Expecting to leave at half time lol
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If I could suffer through to the end of last year's debacle then there is no way I can't suffer whatever they decide to throw up this year. Having said that, I am expecting a far different Richmond side - literally and in attitude - to the one that turned up last year. And I WILL be there - the trip down for the first game is a bit of a tradition as a father and sons boys weekend - wouldn't miss it for quids.
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I will be there as always...
;D
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I'll be there - stuff knows why :banghead It is one of my lifetime habits that will die hard, but it's starting to stink to high heaven.
I don't have any feeling towards the start of this season yet (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused009.gif).
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I'll be there and I'm looking forward to it.
Win, lose or draw I love the opportunity to see the Tigers. Last year I sat in the stands with my mouth open and a sinking feeling in my heart more often than I care to remember. Even so I was always up and excited for the next week. I hated the mid season break and I was impatient for next season by the first week of the 2009 practice matches ... errr I mean finals.
Bring on 2010!!! :thumbsup
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I don't know his name but did anyone else here one of the fill-in SEN commentators this morning say the Carlton-Richmond rivalry doesn't really exist these days?!
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I don't know his name but did anyone else here one of the fill-in SEN commentators this morning say the Carlton-Richmond rivalry doesn't really exist these days?!
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86,000 round 1 last year???
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Umm doesn't exist.
The biggest crowd for the H and A all season last year?
Too many younguns on the radio. ;D
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REVENGE!
:)
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Marc Murphy admits he'll be underdone for round 1 and with only be used in "short, sharp bursts"
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89248/default.aspx
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From the Sunday Herald-Sun ......
YOU can almost smell the anticipation building about the fast-approaching footy season. On Thursday, March 25, about 80,000 Richmond and Carlton fans will pack the MCG for the opening game of what for many is a six-month religious festival.
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From the Sunday Herald-Sun ......
YOU can almost smell the anticipation building about the fast-approaching footy season. On Thursday, March 25, about 80,000 Richmond and Carlton fans will pack the MCG for the opening game of what for many is a six-month religious festival.
It would again show our amazing pulling power despite being crap if we did get 80k but it's hard to see us reaching that high this time around without the hype of Cuz vs Judd and our low expectations this year. Even Blues fans may drop off given Fev is gone and no Judd. A crowd of 70k would be a good result for mine.
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JUST WIN!
:)
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Just Boozeing BF and amazed at how many rate Carlton not only a finals chance but top 4.
I Don't! Which for mine makes round 1 all the more important for us, an average side with Major doubts on it's scoring power - LOL at Setanta as the great white hope. Missing it's money bags I am greater than thou leader.
Man I am real nervous, if we dont win ! I think a poster on BF summed it up with -
I will be going home crying, either tears of joy - OR oh no here we far ken go again
Tears of joy you may ask? - Because I hate the nuts and would love to shove it up there rsoles with a season opener from hell.
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Just Boozeing BF and amazed at how many rate Carlton not only a finals chance but top 4.
I Don't! Which for mine makes round 1 all the more important for us, an average side with Major doubts on it's scoring power - LOL at Setanta as the great white hope. Missing it's money bags I am greater than thou leader.
Man I am real nervous, if we dont win ! I think a poster on BF summed it up with -
I will be going home crying, either tears of joy - OR oh no here we far ken go again
Tears of joy you may ask? - Because I hate the nuts and would love to shove it up there rsoles with a season opener from hell.
I am blown away every time I read on many forums and in the papers and on the web how highly people rate the Blues. I really don't rate them and think last year was a fluke. Without Judd they are nothing, sure Gibbs is excellent and so is Murphy but Judd kills the pig in their side. Fev is gone and really they are just a basic side with no real standouts other than what I have mentioned.
At least we have Deledio, Cousins, Future Cotch and future Martin to get excited about. Add to that Griffiths, Taylor..... the list goes on for us IMO, the list is short for the scum IMO.
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Blues missing Fev big time based on that first quarter. Really struggling for a forward target. Henderson has offered them nothing as has Kreuzer.
LOL at the dopey ump thinking the train going past the ground was the siren :rollin
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Bower's been good, though. Joseph, Davies and Anderson, too.
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If rumours were correct, we went pretty hard at trying to acquire Brock McLean a couple of seasons back.....
All I can say is PHEW.
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Bower's been good, though. Joseph, Davies and Anderson, too.
Bower is a very underrated footballer. Was very good last year for the Blues as a midsized defender.
Apart from that though the Blues have been very ordinary. Just 4 goals in 3 quarters and making a heap of basic mistakes. Even Walls has called them a rabble :lol
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Bower's been good, though. Joseph, Davies and Anderson, too.
Bower is a very underrated footballer. Was very good last year for the Blues as a midsized defender.
Apart from that though the Blues have been very ordinary. Just 4 goals in 3 quarters and making a heap of basic mistakes. Even Walls has called them a rabble :lol
hes hardly a mid sized defender. at 192cm and 92kg hes as big as any kpd we have. hes a tall running defender who will probably get the likes of franklin because of his running ability.
i saw a bit of him at peel and liked him as a junior. watching him match up on the likes of josh kennedy was worth going to watch.
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Carlton fans already spitting the dummy ;D
Yikes. Richmond are gonna give us a smashing. :(
Fevola made Ratten look good. Fevola made Carlton look good. Ratten doesn't have Fevola. Carlton doesn't have Fevola.
Fin.
Fev or no Fev... we didnt even control the game... chip chip chip.. poohouse gameplan... poohouse structures.. players didnt have a clue what to do.... more of the same.. except Fevolaless......
Fev made Ratts look ok..to the unobservnt me thinks.....
Everyones players come on and look like they have a grasp of the game except our own....
In my opinion youre going to really see Ratts exposed as the coach hes pretending to be this year.
I dont understand all the negativity. The game i saw tonight was a total triumph and an obvious change of gameplan. As many on here have speculated, the key is obviously being unpredictable!!!! I sat 10 mins ago and thought the game through and clearly the highlight for me was exactly that, the unpredictableness of it. Many of the players carried this off to a T. Heath Scotland in particular was very unpredictable especially with his marking. Brock McLean was so unpredictable there were entire quarters of the game when I couldnt tell if he was even on the park, for a bloke touted as a major part of our team and someone needing close attention from the opposition, this was a strategic master-stroke and must have seemed entirely unpredictable to the Swans. Our forward line was also a highlight, most would have expected all of our tall players to mark the ball and kick a score, that they managed to avoid that would have come as a total surprise to the Swans. Thank goodness we got rid of that Fevola bloke, I can now see how a dominant forward demanding the ball inside our forward 50 would have totally upset the unpredictability of our forward line tonight. Imagine if he had kicked 4 or 5 goals tonight, what would that have done to our unpredictability...pfft!!! As for recruiting, thank goodness we avoided that Jetta kid in the draft, it looks almost predictable that he will be a star with pace and a thumping accurate kick, there would be no place for him at the blues!
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27479&start=140
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Bower's been good, though. Joseph, Davies and Anderson, too.
Bower is a very underrated footballer. Was very good last year for the Blues as a midsized defender.
Apart from that though the Blues have been very ordinary. Just 4 goals in 3 quarters and making a heap of basic mistakes. Even Walls has called them a rabble :lol
hes hardly a mid sized defender. at 192cm and 92kg hes as big as any kpd we have. hes a tall running defender who will probably get the likes of franklin because of his running ability.
i saw a bit of him at peel and liked him as a junior. watching him match up on the likes of josh kennedy was worth going to watch.
'Midsized' was the wrong word although what I meant by that was Bower didn't play as a strict KP backman as yet (he may in the future). As you say he was more a tall rebounder. Jamison is their FB while Thorton and Waite before he did his knee helped out as 3rd man up against opposition key forwards. Fisher who did his ACL last night is also 192cm tall but I wouldn't say he was a tall forward.
Interesting to see what changes the Blues make going into round 1. As bad as they were last night there'll be at least half a dozen changes for their round one 22. Judd (susp.) and Fisher (ACL) are out. Betts, Walker and Houlihan will come in presumably after their booze cruise holiday. Murphy and Waite possibly as well although they'll be underdone. Simpson and Armfield back too. Nothing there to help out their forward line structure though.
I hope Carrazzo and Russell play. We need all the help from their dodgy footskills we can get.
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Carlton fans already spitting the dummy ;D
Yikes. Richmond are gonna give us a smashing. :(
Fevola made Ratten look good. Fevola made Carlton look good. Ratten doesn't have Fevola. Carlton doesn't have Fevola.
Fin.
Fev or no Fev... we didnt even control the game... chip chip chip.. poohouse gameplan... poohouse structures.. players didnt have a clue what to do.... more of the same.. except Fevolaless......
Fev made Ratts look ok..to the unobservnt me thinks.....
Everyones players come on and look like they have a grasp of the game except our own....
In my opinion youre going to really see Ratts exposed as the coach hes pretending to be this year.
I dont understand all the negativity. The game i saw tonight was a total triumph and an obvious change of gameplan. As many on here have speculated, the key is obviously being unpredictable!!!! I sat 10 mins ago and thought the game through and clearly the highlight for me was exactly that, the unpredictableness of it. Many of the players carried this off to a T. Heath Scotland in particular was very unpredictable especially with his marking. Brock McLean was so unpredictable there were entire quarters of the game when I couldnt tell if he was even on the park, for a bloke touted as a major part of our team and someone needing close attention from the opposition, this was a strategic master-stroke and must have seemed entirely unpredictable to the Swans. Our forward line was also a highlight, most would have expected all of our tall players to mark the ball and kick a score, that they managed to avoid that would have come as a total surprise to the Swans. Thank goodness we got rid of that Fevola bloke, I can now see how a dominant forward demanding the ball inside our forward 50 would have totally upset the unpredictability of our forward line tonight. Imagine if he had kicked 4 or 5 goals tonight, what would that have done to our unpredictability...pfft!!! As for recruiting, thank goodness we avoided that Jetta kid in the draft, it looks almost predictable that he will be a star with pace and a thumping accurate kick, there would be no place for him at the blues!
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27479&start=140
How funny is all that. Almost like an average day on OER! :lol
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Bower's been good, though. Joseph, Davies and Anderson, too.
Bower is a very underrated footballer. Was very good last year for the Blues as a midsized defender.
Apart from that though the Blues have been very ordinary. Just 4 goals in 3 quarters and making a heap of basic mistakes. Even Walls has called them a rabble :lol
hes hardly a mid sized defender. at 192cm and 92kg hes as big as any kpd we have. hes a tall running defender who will probably get the likes of franklin because of his running ability.
i saw a bit of him at peel and liked him as a junior. watching him match up on the likes of josh kennedy was worth going to watch.
A whopping 2kg bigger than Mcguane who's the same height 8)
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Bower's been good, though. Joseph, Davies and Anderson, too.
Bower is a very underrated footballer. Was very good last year for the Blues as a midsized defender.
Apart from that though the Blues have been very ordinary. Just 4 goals in 3 quarters and making a heap of basic mistakes. Even Walls has called them a rabble :lol
hes hardly a mid sized defender. at 192cm and 92kg hes as big as any kpd we have. hes a tall running defender who will probably get the likes of franklin because of his running ability.
i saw a bit of him at peel and liked him as a junior. watching him match up on the likes of josh kennedy was worth going to watch.
A whopping 2kg bigger than Mcguane who's the same height 8)
yep and hes a running defender not kp.do you think mcguane a better running defender than bower.as i said hes bigger than any kpd we have and hes a runner.
your trouble is you keep confusing height weight issues with ability and the skills required to play certain positions.
and i know its splitting hairs but mcguame has been listed at 191 basically his whole career. the last time i looked he was still under 90kg and he looks it.
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Am I correct in remembering Bower being a terrible kick?
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Bower's been good, though. Joseph, Davies and Anderson, too.
Bower is a very underrated footballer. Was very good last year for the Blues as a midsized defender.
Apart from that though the Blues have been very ordinary. Just 4 goals in 3 quarters and making a heap of basic mistakes. Even Walls has called them a rabble :lol
hes hardly a mid sized defender. at 192cm and 92kg hes as big as any kpd we have. hes a tall running defender who will probably get the likes of franklin because of his running ability.
i saw a bit of him at peel and liked him as a junior. watching him match up on the likes of josh kennedy was worth going to watch.
A whopping 2kg bigger than Mcguane who's the same height 8)
yep and hes a running defender not kp.do you think mcguane a better running defender than bower.as i said hes bigger than any kpd we have and hes a runner.
your trouble is you keep confusing height weight issues with ability and the skills required to play certain positions.
and i know its splitting hairs but mcguame has been listed at 191 basically his whole career. the last time i looked he was still under 90kg and he looks it.
Mcguane>Bower. He plays KPP on better opponents every week. If he got the chance to play as a recieving flanker, I'm sure he'd do a decent job of it too 8)
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MT, Bower is better than McGuane. He's extremely under-rated.
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Well we won't have to worry about Fisher playing he has done his ACL.....
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89738/default.aspx
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Bower's been good, though. Joseph, Davies and Anderson, too.
Bower is a very underrated footballer. Was very good last year for the Blues as a midsized defender.
Apart from that though the Blues have been very ordinary. Just 4 goals in 3 quarters and making a heap of basic mistakes. Even Walls has called them a rabble :lol
hes hardly a mid sized defender. at 192cm and 92kg hes as big as any kpd we have. hes a tall running defender who will probably get the likes of franklin because of his running ability.
i saw a bit of him at peel and liked him as a junior. watching him match up on the likes of josh kennedy was worth going to watch.
A whopping 2kg bigger than Mcguane who's the same height 8)
yep and hes a running defender not kp.do you think mcguane a better running defender than bower.as i said hes bigger than any kpd we have and hes a runner.
your trouble is you keep confusing height weight issues with ability and the skills required to play certain positions.
and i know its splitting hairs but mcguame has been listed at 191 basically his whole career. the last time i looked he was still under 90kg and he looks it.
Mcguane>Bower. He plays KPP on better opponents every week. If he got the chance to play as a recieving flanker, I'm sure he'd do a decent job of it too 8)
and here i was thinking there was some sort of consensus on several threads about mcguane not being a kp.so hes a kp now. or should i say again so what kpds is he in front of.he must be right up there apparently he plays on all the good players.
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Mcguane>Bower. He plays KPP on better opponents every week. If he got the chance to play as a recieving flanker, I'm sure he'd do a decent job of it too 8)
and here i was thinking there was some sort of consensus on several threads about mcguane not being a kp.so hes a kp now. or should i say again so what kpds is he in front of.he must be right up there apparently he plays on all the good players.
Read the post Claw. The poster didn't say he should be a KPP - just that he has been playing as a KPP. A big difference. I discussed that very thing yesterday - the Wallace regime's ineptitude saw him forced to play that role even though it meant he was boxing out of his weight division many times. Apples for apples.
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Mcguane>Bower. He plays KPP on better opponents every week. If he got the chance to play as a recieving flanker, I'm sure he'd do a decent job of it too 8)
and here i was thinking there was some sort of consensus on several threads about mcguane not being a kp.so hes a kp now. or should i say again so what kpds is he in front of.he must be right up there apparently he plays on all the good players.
Read the post Claw. The poster didn't say he should be a KPP - just that he has been playing as a KPP. A big difference. I discussed that very thing yesterday - the Wallace regime's ineptitude saw him forced to play that role even though it meant he was boxing out of his weight division many times. Apples for apples.
Correct. He does a pretty good job as KPP too.
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Mcguane>Bower. He plays KPP on better opponents every week. If he got the chance to play as a recieving flanker, I'm sure he'd do a decent job of it too 8)
and here i was thinking there was some sort of consensus on several threads about mcguane not being a kp.so hes a kp now. or should i say again so what kpds is he in front of.he must be right up there apparently he plays on all the good players.
Read the post Claw. The poster didn't say he should be a KPP - just that he has been playing as a KPP. A big difference. I discussed that very thing yesterday - the Wallace regime's ineptitude saw him forced to play that role even though it meant he was boxing out of his weight division many times. Apples for apples.
geez i have to be a mind reader now. i read the post and he didnt say he wasnt a kpp. in fact the inference was he was. how did it go oh yeah. he plays kp on better players every week.
i still dont see anywhere your assertion that people on here dont think mcguane a kp.
lets simplify this. the rfc has played all of moore, mcguane, and thursfield in the key posts. my opinion is only one of those players could become a long term kp for us who regularly meets the required standard.and imo hes also in the gun.
its also my opinion only one has the tools to be a decent tall running defender and he too needs to extract a digit.
it leaves one out in the cold because he doesnt have the tools to do either at the required standard even though he has put together some good games as a kp. no money for guessing who is out in the cold imo.
to make it even more simple all three of mcguane moore and thursfield cannot play in the one team as negating kpds.especially not if post gourdis and rance are to get games.
imo rance mcguane and gourdis are the last ones you want with ball in hand coming out of the backline. even if all three were half dcent kicks and they are not they still lack precision and penetration with their footkills. they just dont stack up to other players in this regard and they are part of a problem that has plagued the club for far to long.
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What is this thread about again?? Fair enough talking about our backline against the Blues forward line come round one but it seems to have digressed into a McGuane debate.
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well we can thank the imbecilic mt2010 for that. some have to defend their favorites no matter what.
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i watched first 3/4s of Sydney v Carlton last night.
Carlton forward line is an abortion. if we cannot beat these spastics i will cry
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Carlton forward line is an abortion. if we cannot beat these wackos i will cry
How good is our defence?
Weakened or not Carlton will start favourites.
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Weakened or not Carlton will start favourites.
Good.
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Our task will be to contain Carlton's small forwards and half-forwards because once again today they were the only avenue to goal for the Blues. 14 goals but only 3 of them kicked by talls. SEN had Carlton fans at half-time wanting Ratten sacked by the Blues were crabbing around the boundary line.
Goals: E Betts 3 M Robinson 2 C Yarran 2 L Henderson 2 A Carrazzo S O'hAilpin H Scotland K Simpson C Judd
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brendan-fevola-kicks-two-but-lions-lose/story-e6frf9jf-1225834901738
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Carlton set to go into round one with six changes
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-set-to-go-into-round-one-with-six-changes-20100308-psxw.html
Jake Niall's forgotten Waite and Jamison played round 1 last year while Nick Stevens didn't.
http://www.stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2009/031420090326.html
In: McLean, Warnock, Henderson, Yarran and O'hAilpin
Out: Fevola, Judd, C.Cloke, ?, ?
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Membership and Ticketing: Round 1
richmondfc.com.au
11:03 AM Tue 09 March, 2010
For members wishing to receive their membership prior to Round 1, please note the below Key Dates.
*All memberships purchased up until 5pm Thursday 18th March will receive their full membership package in the mail prior to Round 1.
*Members who purchase their membership after 18th March and up until 11am Wednesday 24th March will have their membership card only available for collection at Gate 3.
*All memberships purchased after 11am Wednesday will need to collect a ticket from the Collections Marquee at Gate 3. (Access Members Please note: General Admission tickets will not be available for pick up should the game be announced a sell out and you will be required to upgrade your membership to a reserved seat to guarantee entry).
Important Ticket Information
Please take note of the following ticketing information for our Round 1 clash against Carlton on Thursday 25th March at 7.10pm.
Tickets are currently on sale through Ticketek: 132 849, www.ticketek.com, or via any Ticketek agency.
The Richmond Football Club recommends to all our 2010 Richmond members who do not have a season reserved seat to upgrade their membership and ensure themselves a prime seat to farewell Tiger Champion Matthew Richardson. Should the match be announced a sell out, Access (GA) members will be refused entry to the MCG.
There are two options to guarantee you entry into the match:
• Upgrade to a season reserved seat by calling 1300 RICHMOND (742 466)
• Upgrade your membership to a single reserve seat for our clash against Carlton, please contact Ticketek with your 12 digit barcode on hand which can be found on the back of your membership:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/90328/default.aspx
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I'm only a 17 games GA member of richmond, so does that mean i cant get in?
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I'm only a 17 games GA member of richmond, so does that mean i cant get in?
Nope, you will be fine.
Just go to the gate and scan the barcode on your membership card and you'll be in. :thumbsup
They are just saying it in case the game sells out before the night, as you will then not be able to get entry, but in my opinion it definitely will not sell out this year.
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This is the Carlton squad for their last practice match. Take out Judd who is suspended for round 1 and a couple of fringe players it'll be pretty close to their would-be 22 for round 1.
1. Andrew Walker, 2. Jordan Russell, 3. Marc Murphy, 4. Bryce Gibbs, 5. Chris Judd, 6. Kade Simpson, 7. Brock McLean, 8. Matthew Kreuzer, 10. Richard Hadley, 11. Robert Warnock, 12. Mitch Robinson, 13. Chris Yarran, 15. Steven Browne, 16. Shaun Grigg, 17. Setanta O’hAilpin, 18. Paul Bower, 19. Eddie Betts, 23. Lachie Henderson, 26. Joe Anderson, 29. Heath Scotland, 30. Jarrad Waite, 31. Marcus Davies, 32. Bret Thornton, 33. Ryan Houlihan, 34. Simon Wiggins, 39. Sam Jacobs, 40. Michael Jamison, 44. Andrew Carrazzo, 45. Aaron Joseph.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/90394/default.aspx
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Carlton set to go into round one with six changes
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-set-to-go-into-round-one-with-six-changes-20100308-psxw.html
Jake Niall's forgotten Waite and Jamison played round 1 last year while Nick Stevens didn't.
http://www.stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2009/031420090326.html
In: McLean, Warnock, Henderson, Yarran and O'hAilpin
Out: Fevola, Judd, C.Cloke, ?, ?
Wow and what about our changes??????
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Carlton have lost their last NAB Challenge game to the Crows by a point to end a not so fruitful pre season with a solitary win over the Lions.
Of the talls O'Halpin kicked 3 and Waite kicked 1.
Here's to that struggle continuing against us come round 1.
Scum 11 16 82 Crows 12 11 83
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Carlton have lost their last NAB Challenge game to the Crows by a point to end a not so fruitful pre season with a solitary win over the Lions.
Of the talls O'Halpin kicked 3 and Waite kicked 1.
Here's to that struggle continuing against us come round 1.
Scum 11 16 82 Crows 12 11 83
Good luck to them relying on Sentanta being their main key forward. He's very good at kicking behinds :lol.
All through the preseason the Blues have had to rely on their small forwards and mids pushing forward to kick goals. If we turn up to play this time around and not get stagefright ::) we'll be in with a definite show. Up to us to apply enough pressure across the whole ground.
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While I am not feeling too confident at all about the season I think we are a real chance for this first game.
Should come down to two young midfields against each other. Can't wait to see how Lids, Cotch and Martin go against Murphy and Gibbs.
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While I am not feeling too confident at all about the season I think we are a real chance for this first game.
Should come down to two young midfields against each other. Can't wait to see how Lids, Cotch and Martin go against Murphy and Gibbs.
Yep Carlton are ripe for the taking. It's whether our young side can have a night out to exploit it. For our sake I hope we've got a bad couple of weeks out of the way and a good one is due next Thursday night week.
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While I am not feeling too confident at all about the season I think we are a real chance for this first game.
Should come down to two young midfields against each other. Can't wait to see how Lids, Cotch and Martin go against Murphy and Gibbs.
Yep Carlton are ripe for the taking. It's whether our young side can have a night out to exploit it. For our sake I hope we've got a bad couple of weeks out of the way and a good one is due next Thursday night week.
Dont think Carlton think so,
Seen Robert Harvey walk out and not return 5 mins in the 3rd quarter
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While I am not feeling too confident at all about the season I think we are a real chance for this first game.
I think we are too even if I don't expect to win.
I don't read too much into today's game at all.
Hardwick is still getting to know players strengths and weaknesses and solidifying game plans.
It is VERY early days people.
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While I am not feeling too confident at all about the season I think we are a real chance for this first game.
Should come down to two young midfields against each other. Can't wait to see how Lids, Cotch and Martin go against Murphy and Gibbs.
Yep Carlton are ripe for the taking. It's whether our young side can have a night out to exploit it. For our sake I hope we've got a bad couple of weeks out of the way and a good one is due next Thursday night week.
Dont think Carlton think so,
Seen Robert Harvey walk out and not return 5 mins in the 3rd quarter
Huh? I can't understand that. :-[
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Dont think Carlton think so,
Seen Robert Harvey walk out and not return 5 mins in the 3rd quarter
Gonna look like a putz if they lose. Carlscum have hardly set the world on fire this pre season either.
We've beaten Geelong, who have they beat?
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Dont think Carlton think so,
Seen Robert Harvey walk out and not return 5 mins in the 3rd quarter
Gonna look like a putz if they lose. Carlscum have hardly set the world on fire this pre season either.
We've beaten Geelong, who have they beat?
We beat half of Geelong and we had a near full strength side, not much to go on IMO.
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We beat half of Geelong and we had a near full strength side, not much to go on IMO.
You can say that about much of pre season.
Doesn't stop folks teeing off when we lose. :P
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We beat half of Geelong and we had a near full strength side, not much to go on IMO.
You can say that about much of pre season.
Doesn't stop folks teeing off when we lose. :P
Yeah true man, we will get there, we all get a bit excited with the pre season don't we, at least we are passionate I suppose... :thumbsup
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According to the Ticketek site
"General public allocation exhausted"
http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/Show.aspx?sh=RICHM0110 (http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/Show.aspx?sh=RICHM0110)
Looks like you'll have to reserve a seat for round 1 if you don't already have one.
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According to the Ticketek site
"General public allocation exhausted"
http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/Show.aspx?sh=RICHM0110 (http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/Show.aspx?sh=RICHM0110)
Looks like you'll have to reserve a seat for round 1 if you don't already have one.
Doubtful.
Just more Ticketek games because they don't release enough seats at a time.
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I'm safe - upgraded mine to Premium Reserved on Friday. Can't wait.
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you are kidding right?
have to reserve a seat?
:)
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When your group of 4 is flying down from Qld/NT for their annual 'boys weekend away' then yes, you do reserve seats. For that particular game, those few dollars make all the difference.
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When your group of 4 is flying down from Qld/NT for their annual 'boys weekend away' then yes, you do reserve seats. For that particular game, those few dollars make all the difference.
They honestly do :thumbsup
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Not on the web so I scanned it in....
Bucks flow in for Blues
By NICK QUINN
FRI 19 MAR 2010, Page 116
LAST year Carlton opened the AFL season belting Richmond by 83 points, and punters believe it will be a case of deja vu when the pair meet in Round 1 at the MCG on Thursday night.
Carlton has been backed from $1.70 into $1.45, with Richmond drifting from $2.10 to $2.70, with Sportsbet.com.au
``We opened the Blues at $1.63, they got out to $1.70 before the punters really stepped in,'' Sportsbet.com.au's Matthew Campbell said.
``We haven't taken any leviathan bets, but a heap of $1000 and $2000 bets on Carlton. The biggest bet we have taken on the Tigers has been just $50.''
It is a similar story at TAB Sportsbet, with Carlton the only team the punters want.
``We are holding $4900 on the game and just $200 of that is on Richmond,'' TAB Sportsbet's Gary Davies said.
Davies said Blues admirers who want to take the $1.40 should act soon as the market is heading in one direction.
``With the sheer weight of money you'd expect Carlton's price to shorten; they are well backed and will be anchored in a stack of multi bets,'' he said.
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I'll just wait until closer to the bounce before having a little flutter on the Tigers. Not overly confident of the result but good odds considering the state of Carlton's team compared to a fairly unchanged Tigers side. :pray
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I'll just wait until closer to the bounce before having a little flutter on the Tigers. Not overly confident of the result but good odds considering the state of Carlton's team compared to a fairly unchanged Tigers side. :pray
Come to think about it ... im a bitscared to come up from sydney to watch the tigers if its gonnna be a repeat of last year :-[ .... BUT what if we WIN by one point or cotchin gets a screamer in the last min and kicks a goal to win!!! ... i can only dream :pray
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A crowd of 73,000 expected
http://www.mcc.org.au/Events%20at%20the%20MCG/Calendar%20of%20Events/Event%20Details.aspx?eid=c1ebd613-f053-4a64-9c10-420f9a59c011
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THERE IS no way u have to reserve a seat, we will not get 90k plus, they are just after revenue. even if we get what they expect 73k or even lets say 80k, thats no reason to reserve seating. only games that need reserve seating at the g are anzac day and finals
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Blues wary of in-your-face Tigers charge
SAM LIENERT
March 21, 2010
CARLTON coach Brett Ratten has warned his team to brace for an ultra-aggressive Richmond when the two clubs clash in Thursday night's AFL season-opener at the MCG.
Ratten said new Tigers coach Damien Hardwick's combativeness had been his hallmark as a player and that would be mirrored in his team. ''They'll be coming out swinging. I know Damien very well through playing days … they'll be hell-bent on every possession and making us fight for everything,'' the Blues boss said.
Carlton burst Richmond's bubble in the opening round of last season, inflicting an 83-point belting to spark a chain of losses that led to the eventual dismissal of then-coach Terry Wallace and ultimately Hardwick's appointment.
Ratten forecast this year's Tigers would be out to prove from the outset they were up for the fight.
''They'll be in our face, I'd say, straight from the first bounce,'' he said. ''Every play will be a contest and nothing will change from probably the way [Hardwick] played to the team that he coaches.''
Ratten will also be urging his own charges to quickly stamp themselves on the game physically.
''If you sit out and think you can just run round the edges and hopefully get a possession, I think when you get in it and roll your sleeves up and cop a bump or a tackle you feel a part of the game,'' he said.
Jarrad Waite and Marc Murphy will both play, after finalising their build-ups by playing half of a practice match with VFL affiliate the Northern Bullants on Friday.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-wary-of-inyourface-tigers-charge-20100320-qnbo.html
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Give those certain of missing for the Blues are a few, hopefully Waite and Murphy are being rushed in and are a little under done.
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CARLTON coach Brett Ratten has warned his team to brace for an ultra-aggressive Richmond when the two clubs clash in Thursday night's AFL season-opener at the MCG.
they better ;D
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Round 1 2009
Richmond 3.4 22 (7) 6.7 43 (6) 8.10 58 (5) 9.13 67 (4)
Carlton 8.4 52 (12) 13.5 83 (6) 18.9 117 (9) 23.12 150 ( 8 )
Richmond Team:
Bowden, Browne, Brown, Cousins, Deledio, Edwards, Foley, Jackson, McGuane, McMahon, Moore, Morton, Newman, Raines, Richardson, Riewoldt, Schulz, Simmonds, Tambling, Thursfield, Tuck, White.
Out's: 7
In's: ?
Carlton Team:
Betts, Bower, Cloke, Fevola, Garlett, Gibbs, Hadley, Houlihan, Jacobs, Jamison, Johnson, Joseph, Judd, Kreuzer, Murphy, Robinson, Russell, Scotland, Simpson, Thornton, Waite, Wiggins.
Out's: 3
In's: ?
Round 15 2009
Carlton 3.3 21 (6) 9.8 62 (11) 13.9 87 (5) 16.13 109 (7)
Richmond 3.4 22 (7) 6.6 42 (5) 7.14 56 (9) 12.17 89 ( 8 )
Carlton Team:
Anderson, Armfield, Bentley, Betts, Carrazzo, Fevola, Fisher, Garlett, Gibbs, Grigg, Hampson, Hartlett, Houlihan, Jamison, Johnson, Joseph, Judd, Kreuzer, Murphy, Russell, Simpson, Thornton.
Out's: 3
In's: ?
Richmond Team:
Cotchin, Cousins, Deledio, Edwards, Graham, Hislop, Jackson, King, McGuane, Moore, Morton, Nahas, Newman, Polo, Post, Rance, Riewoldt, Tambling, Thursfield, Tuck, Vickery, White.
Out's: 2
In's: ?
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crossing out the definate "Out's", closer to Wednesday's night release of the teams, i will analyse the "In's" and "Out's".
just to see the difference between Wallace, Rawlings and Hardwick's thinking.
the (brackets) are scoring shots in each quarter, which is interesting, in the 2nd match against Carlton, we "Out-Shot" Carlton, 3-1.
our inability to not kick straight during important moments, probably was the difference, and add Fevola's 9 goals too.
:)
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LOL
Carlton Blues better placed than '09 - Andrew Carrazzo
Carrazzo, who celebrates his 100th game against Richmond at the MCG, said the inclusion of mature draftees Brock McLean, Lachie Henderson and Robbie Warnock will offset the loss of Brendan Fevola.
"If anything we're in a stronger position than Round 1 last year. Fev came in carrying an injury and didn't really play well. So we're in a better position physically than this time last year," Carrazzo said today.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-blues-better-placed-than-09-andrew-carrazzo/story-e6frf9jf-1225843903005
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It's going to be 29 degrees on Thursday.
So a warm one for the players and will test their fitness and what stage of preparation they are at being round 1.
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Tigers must fire up
23/03/2010 12:12 PM
Paul Gough
Sportal
Richmond owes its long-suffering fans plenty when it kicks off the 2010 AFL home-and-away season against Carlton on Thursday night.
Full article at:
http://sportal.com.au/afl-opinion-display/tigers-must-fire-up-88132
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Caro on 3aw tonight didn't think we'll get belted on Thursday night unlike most. Healy thought people are swaying towards Richmond. Rarely you'll get Carlton so undermanned. Caro stated the obvious that Fev is a massive loss.
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General Admission areas according to the Carlton website.....
Southern Stand
Q1 – Q15 and Q28
Ponsford Stand
Q29 – Q36
Olympic Stand
Q49 – Q57 rows P to the back
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Caro on 3aw tonight didn't think we'll get belted on Thursday night unlike most. Healy thought people are swaying towards Richmond. Rarely you'll get Carlton so undermanned. Caro stated the obvious that Fev is a massive loss.
What a load of..... Really Carro, so undermanned are they the Blues, rubbish, they will have a full strenghth side bar Judd. Please stop bringing up Fev, do we keep going on about the 14 players we turned over... poo.
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This isn't on the web....
Tigers' actions speak louder than words
By Daryl Timms and Jackie Epstein
Wed 24 March 2010, Page 77
WILL they get to sing the song?
Richmond will wear black armbands in tomorrow night's clash against Carlton to honour Jack Malcomson, who penned the Tigers' rousing theme song, regarded as the best in the AFL.
Malcomson was 86 when he died in September. Although he penned the song nearly 50 years ago, the Tigers did not know Malcomson had written the song until his daughter contacted the club in the late 1980s.
A club investigation confirmed that the retired entertainer and tap dancer, who lived with his wife, Aileen, at Chadstone, wrote the song in the 1960s.
A regular entertainer at Punt Rd "smoke nights, pleasant Sunday mornings'' and other club functions, Malcomson was asked in the 1960s to write a catchy song.
He started work on the song during a trip to Tasmania, and settled on a tune called Row, Row Row.
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Does anyone know if there's going to be a live telecast to Queensland? So far, all I'm getting is a delayed telecast starting around 11pm
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Preview: Richmond v Carlton
Where and when: MCG, Thursday, March 25, 7.10pm
Head to head: Richmond 84 wins, Carlton 117 wins, two draws
Last time: Carlton 16.13 (109) d Richmond12.17 (89), round 15, 2009 at the MCG
MISSING IN ACTION
Richmond
Nathan Foley (ankle) - indefinite
Ben Griffiths (shoulder) - 4 weeks
Jake King (suspended) - 1 week
Carlton
Mark Austin (hip) - test
Brad Fisher (knee) - TBA
Chris Judd (suspended) - 3 weeks
Simon Wiggins (knee) - test
SUMMARY
Ah, the joys of the first game of the season. Supporters' hearts have hope springing anew, the trauma of the previous year is dead and buried and the new one is unsullied by loss.
Unfortunately, wonderful as all that is, for half of the competition it's unlikely to survive the first game. Form shown in the NAB Cup competition doesn't always translate into the home-and-away season, which makes it tough when that's all you've really got to look at.
Based on last year, Carlton - even with captain Chris Judd suspended - is the favourite here. However, the Tigers provide a cautionary tale when it comes to basing one year's form predictions on the previous season. They had been tipped to have a cracking 2009 after finishing 2008 like a train, but they crashed and burned, sacking the coach and finishing 15th rather than seeing the predicted finals.
Carlton made the finals, but suffered a straight exit with a loss to the Lions and dumped goalkicking machine Brendan Fevola after one indiscretion too many.
Both teams have had variable pre-season success, including the Tigers beating the Cats, but that result should be viewed with extreme scepticism as a form guide.
PLAYER TO WATCH
Is Ben Cousins fit? The Tiger has been hospitalised twice in recent weeks with a mystery gastric complaint, but has trained well in the last few days. He played 15 games last season for a successful return despite being hampered by injury. The Tigers need his midfield experience, especially with Nathan Foley out of the side.
Setanta O'hAilpin copped Brendan Fevola's knee in the kidneys - and a spray as he lay on the ground trying to recover - for entering his teammate's leading path early in 2009, but the Blues are hoping he'll stand up as one of their key targets this season. The Irishman had started last year on the sidelines after a scratch-match punch-up, but was recalled to play 12 games. However, he only kicked 12 goals, and more than one on just one occasion. The 27-year-old needs to take his game to the next level.
QUESTION MARKS
How will Damien Hardwick go in his first game in charge? Hardwick snared the top job at the Tigers after moving from the Hawks, where he was an integral part of the coaching staff for their 2008 premiership.
Can Richmond put up a better show than the corresponding match last year when the Blues embarrassed them by 83 points?
Who will kick Carlton's goals? With Fevola packed off to Brisbane, the Blues are promising a 'share-it-around' approach to scoring, which one suspects is created by necessity rather than desire.
WHO WILL WIN AND WHY
Despite advice to not take too much notice of demonstrated form from the previous year, it's hard to see the Tigers winning this one. The Blues beat them twice in 2009 and made the finals, while the Tigers finished 15th. Hardwick has cleaned out his list, bringing in 14 new players, while the Blues have continued to build and have experience in their corner.
PREDICTION
Carlton by 46 points
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=90923
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Four to debut in Round 1
Four Richmond youngsters will make their debut for the Club in the Round 1 clash with Carlton at the MCG tomorrow.
Dustin Martin, Mitch Farmer, Ben Nason and Relton Roberts were selected in the team after impressing in the pre season.
Martin was the Tigers’ first pick in last year’s National Draft and was among the Club’s most prolific ball winners in the NAB Cup and Challenge series.
Farmer already has some AFL experience, having played three games for Port Adelaide, and has proven his credentials as a hard-nosed, running defender over the summer months.
Nason’s speed and strong foot skills were on display in his limited game time in Richmond’s practice matches, despite suffering a leg injury in the NAB Cup loss to Hawthorn.
Roberts, an exciting small forward from the Northern Territory, has been arguably the biggest success story of the summer, slotting into the forward line and thrilling the fans with his goalkicking ability and evasive skills.
The full Richmond team will be announced this afternoon, and will be available at richmondfc.com.au.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/default.aspx?newsid=90927
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Does anyone know if there's going to be a live telecast to Queensland? So far, all I'm getting is a delayed telecast starting around 11pm
Couldn't find news of it anywhere Julz however.......................... I did get this email from the QRSC:
This Thursday Night @ 6:10pm @ the MCG
The game is Live in Brissy on Fox Sports Main Event @ 6:00pm.
Come an join your fellow Richmond Supporters for some fun at the Hotel Broadway.
Cnr of Logan Rd. & Balaclava St., Woolloongabba.
It doesn't say this on the AFL site so your guess is as good as mine but Foxtel Ch518 usually does all the Fri night games into Brisbane and the Gold Coast.
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Thanks smokey.
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Match Day Information - Round 1
Membership Marquee Locations on Match Day v Carlton:
Our Sales Marquees will be located at both Gate 3 and at Gate 5 and will be open from 4pm.
Our Collections Marquee will be located at Gate 3 and will also be open from 4pm.
Key Sign up Dates:
*All memberships purchased up until 9am Friday 19th March will receive their full membership package in the mail prior to Round 1. If you have not received your membership package in the mail by Thursday, Please contact Member and Supporter Services on 1300 RICHMOND (742 466).
*Members who have purchased their membership after 9am Friday 19th March and up until 11am Wednesday 24th March will have their membership card only available for collection on match day at Gate 3 from 4pm. Membership fulfillment items will be mailed separately.
*All members who purchase their membership after 11am Wednesday 24th March will need to collect a paper ticket from the Collections Marquee at Gate 3. Members who purchase their membership on game day will also receive a paper ticket at the time of their purchase. (Access Members Please note: General Admission tickets will not be available for pick up should the game be announced a sell out and you will be required to upgrade your membership to a reserved seat to guarantee entry).�
Important Ticket Information
Please take note of the following ticketing information for our Round 1 clash against Carlton on Thursday 25th March at 7.10pm.
Tickets are currently on sale through Ticketek: 132 849, www.ticketek.com, or via any Ticketek agency.
The Richmond Football Club recommends to all our 2010 Richmond members who do not have a season reserved seat to upgrade their membership and ensure themselves a prime seat to farewell Tiger Champion Matthew Richardson. Should the match be announced a sell out, Access (GA) members will be refused entry to the MCG.
There are two options to guarantee you entry into the match:
• Upgrade to a season reserved seat by calling 1300 RICHMOND (742 466)
• Upgrade your membership to a single reserve seat for our clash against Carlton, please contact Ticketek with your 12 digit barcode on hand which can be found on the back of your membership: �
Social Club access Round 1
Please note the Social Club facilities for Round 1 Only will now be in the Harrison Room located behind the goals on level 2 of the Ponsford Stand, not the Yarra Park Room at the MCG as previously advertised.
Entry is free for all Social Club members by presenting their 2010 membership medallion or temporary pass. As the Social Club function for Round 1 is classified as a premium functions all Social Club members wishing to bring along a guest/s will be required to pay a fee of $20. Guest passes may be purchased by contacting Member and Supporter Services on 1300 RICHMOND (742 466).
Entry to the Harrison Room is subject to capacity.
Merchandise:
Exclusive Richo memorabilia will be available from Punt Rd Oval (Brunton avenue side). This is this only place you can purchase Richo memorabilia such as footballs, tees and sports prints. Official Richmond merchandise will also be available at Punt Rd Oval and inside Gate 4 outlet. Remember these are the only two Official Richmond outlets and all 100% of profits go straight back into your club!
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/season2010/matchdayinfo/tabid/15875/default.aspx
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Round One Carlton Team
B. Thornton, Jamison, Joseph
HB. Bower, Waite, Russell
C. Houlihan, Murphy, Scotland
HF. Carrazzo, Henderson, Simpson
F. O’hAilpin, Kreuzer, Betts
R. Warnock, Gibbs, McLean
INT. Anderson, Robinson, Walker, Yarran
Emerg. Grigg, Jacobs, Lucas
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Less fanfare, but season opener retains intrigue
JAKE NIALL
March 25, 2010
Instead of rock-star recruits, tonight's game is as much about who's not playing.
IN 2008, Chris Judd's first game in navy blue caused an avalanche of interest in the season opener, which drew more than 72,000 to a game between teams that had filled the bottom two spots on the ladder six months earlier.
Last year, the Richmond-Carlton balloon was further inflated, on the back of Ben Cousins joining the Tigers and the expectation - ridiculous as it now seems - that Carlton and Richmond might play finals. The match filled the MCG, bettered the Anzac Day attendance and delivered more than tidy ratings for Channel 10.
This year's first game hasn't had the fevered build up of the past two and certainly won't draw the same kind of numbers as 2009. Yet, it should still attract more than 60,000 to a game between the wooden spoon favourite and a team that, despite 13 wins last year, was picked for this year's final eight by just one AFL captain.
Carlton and Richmond have earned the right to keep the fixture for the forseeable future; they are creating an occasion that will withstand fluctuations in form and weather. Football needs events that transcend ladder position.
The previous two openers were about rock-star recruits (and one's rock-star lifestyle). This one is more noteworthy for who isn't playing. Carlton is temporarily without Judd and has traded Brendan Fevola with extreme prejudice. The Tigers will enter this season without their own outsized figure, Matthew Richardson.
Richo's absence arguably represents a greater challenge to the Tigers off the field than on it. For perhaps 15 of his 17 seasons at Punt Road, he was the club's premier player and his most crucial contribution to the club was to entertain and sustain supporter interest in dark times. Richmond has maintained a large following, in spite of a quarter-century of failure. Richo is as responsible for that achievement as anyone.
But replacing Richo is less of an issue for Damien Hardwick and his football department than Fevola's exit represents to Brett Ratten and the Blues. Richardson played only six games in 2009 and the Tigers have already learnt to live without their magnetic forward, who, in any case, played as a hybrid wingman/forward in 2008 when he nearly won the Brownlow.
Richmond started the process of forging a different forward structure, built around multiple options, such as Jack Riewoldt and Mitch Morton, some time ago. It has not succeeded without Richo, but it is more accustomed to kicking to others. The Blues, at this stage, do not have a forward even with Riewoldt's track record.
The widespread view that Carlton will find it difficult to maintain its position in the eight this year is based primarily on the loss of Fev and an unconvincing preseason. Even Jeanne Pratt, the club patron and widow of its great benefactor, asked how the club would replace a 90-goal full-forward when Fev was on the trading block. One doubts that Mrs Pratt would be questioning that call now.
Carlton is fielding a vastly different team to the one that was pipped by the Brisbane Lions in the finals. It has regained Jarrad Waite, best afield in this game last year, and Michael Jamison, while adding three seasoned recruits - Brock McLean, Robert Warnock and ex-Lion Lachie Henderson. Fevola's position in the goal square is likely to be filled tonight by Setanta O'hAilpin (who also didn't play in the Gabba final), with Henderson playing across half-forward.
The deployment of Waite, who is recovering from a knee reconstruction, is a major decision for Ratten; he was used in defence in training drills this week, but Carlton may be tempted to play him as a deep forward. The Carlton forward line will be somewhat experimental, and the Blues will rely heavily on a winning midfield to win this and indeed most games. The Tigers, thus, have struck Carlton at the right moment. That Judd is suspended and Marc Murphy underdone (due to a pre-season groin injury) should even up midfield contests that were horribly lopsided 12 months ago.
Jamison, as the best negating tall defender, is an underrated inclusion. Carlton would surely have beaten Brisbane last September had he been there (he missed the last eight matches). The Blues have confidence in their nascent back line, which inspires more confidence than the other end.
For Richmond, the most important question won't be individual players - though the Tigers have four fresh faces - so much as the collective system devised by Hardwick. The former Hawthorn assistant has inherited a team that finished 15th, lost several experienced players and stands to lose much from the draft picks reserved for Gold Coast and GWS. His dive into senior coaching has a high degree of difficulty.
His game style will be heavily influenced by his most recent employer and perhaps Port. Richmond, on pre-season sneak previews, does not have the kicking skills to execute it with consistency. Snap judgments, thus, should be withheld and we should try to imagine how Hardwick's plan would function with better stock.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/less-fanfare-but-season-opener-retains-intrigue-20100324-qwpd.html
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Carlton Blues and Richmond Tigers looking to turn the page
* Stephen Rielly
* The Australian
* March 25, 2010
THE AFL season opens tonight with a match at the MCG between two sides hoping, in different ways, to put the recent past behind them.
One, Carlton, will mercifully begin life without Brendan Fevola. The other, Richmond, has turned yet another page and with a new coach, Damien Hardwick, and a style of game that may move football back into the trenches, is looking to finally stand for something.
This idea was given expression last night by selection of the teams. Both coaches selected a clutch of newcomers for the encounter.
Carlton, rid of "Fev", without captain Chris Judd for three matches and the retired Nick Stevens, named Lachie Henderson, Robert Warnock and Brock McLean for their first matches in navy blue.
Richmond chose Dustin Martin, Relton Roberts, Ben Nason and Mitch Farmer in its 22, a squad that, incidentally, includes Ben Cousins.
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The former Demon McLean aside, there is only 39 games of experience between the other six, three of whom (Martin, Roberts and Nason) will play their first AFL games.
What this intention to start over also does, though, is pit a side unsure about how it will function in Fevola's absence - a state of mind basically understood by asking how 80-goal-a-season full-forwards are seamlessly replaced - against another determined to forge a reputation for closing the opposition down.
A team hard of scoring, perhaps, against one that, in the name of laying a foundation for the years ahead, intends to be above all hard to score against. Nil-all draw, anyone?
Other than Visy Park being a quieter and less distracted place these days, Carlton simply doesn't know yet how it might replace its former spearhead's goals.
"We don't exactly know, but what we do know is that we are a lot less predictable," was Carlton assistant coach Brett Montgomery's take on the situation yesterday.
The Blues scored at will in last year's fateful season opener between the teams, with little more than a two-goal contribution from Fevola. But Richmond was then still kidding itself that the mediocre and frequently horrible first four years of Terry Wallace's five year scheme were, as the Victorian government likes to say, all part of the plan.
The Tigers never made the finals under Wallace, but did win 10 or more games in three of his seasons, something like fools silver that disguised the fact that the side not once fought through a winter and emerged with a percentage better than 100.
Percentages don't lie. New-Age statistics in football are given more attention than the Hubble space telescope can bring to a star but the basic percentage is still the most reliable snapshot assessment of how well a side scores and defends. Wallace's Richmond never defended well. Hardwick's Richmond intends to.
"We've put a big emphasis, a huge emphasis, on our defensive structures throughout the summer," Tiger captain Chris Newman said yesterday. "It was an area where we needed to improve on. We all knew that."
Hardwick was an artfully brutal defender as a player. As a two-time premiership player, he was also a successful one. Later, as an assistant coach, he was involved with Hawthorn when its grid-like defensive zone was created, in 2008.
Hardwick sacked or, in the case of Matthew Richardson lost, a dozen players and went straight to the draft for teenage replacements. Players of tomorrow, not today. He opted for surgery instead of a couple of Panadol and a good lie down.
Having done so, tonight isn't as important to him or Richmond as it was to Wallace and the club last year. It is the start, not the end, of an odyssey. One that, clearly will be guided by two simple principles: defence and constancy.
"Our game plan will stay the same throughout the year. With a young group, if you swap and change it they lose confidence," Hardwick said.
"We've got to instil in them the belief that this is a game plan that will take us to where we need to go. That it will stand up to the rigours of an AFL final, which is what we're out to achieve.
"We won't waver."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/blues-tigers-looking-to-turn-the-page/story-e6frg7mf-1225844968570
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Today 'Finally' ! I am a lttle excited.
Know it's going to be a long year and a victory tonight will not necessarily be the light at the end of the tunnel, but it would be as sweet as any win to get one up on the tankers tonight.
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Preview: Richmond v Carlton
WILL BRODIE
March 25, 2010
Carlton v Richmond
MCG tonight, 7.10pm
(Matthew Richardson tribute before the game)
LAST TIME Rd 15, 2009, Carlton 16.13 (109) d Richmond 12.17 (89) at the MCG
PAST FIVE: Carlton 4, Richmond 1
PAST TEN: Carlton 6, Richmond 4
RECORD OVERALL Richmond 84, Carlton 117, drawn 2
AT THIS GROUND Richmond 36, Carlton 27
IN THE 2000s Richmond 6, Carlton 10
COACHES Hardwick 0, Ratten 0
BETTING Richmond $2.90, Carlton $1.40
UMPIRES 8 Rosebury, 14 H Ryan, 25 S Ryan
TV Channel Ten, 7.30pm RADIO 3AW, Triple M, 774 ABC, SEN
PRO-TIPPING PERCENTAGES:
Crowd: Richmond 14%, Carlton 86%
Experts: Richmond 10%, Carlton 90%
Why Richmond will win: will play with freedom because of low expectations; Blues forward woes, absence of Blue midfield ace Chris Judd; exciting young kids; strong midfield.
Why Carlton will win: better overall skill levels; wider spread of goalkicking options; underrated defence; deeper, more experienced midfield.
What we think: Carlton by 15 points
The footy world remembers round one last year, when they pumped-up Tigers were humiliated by 83 points in front of 87,043 fans at the MCG, and boom Tiger recruit Ben Cousins hurt his hamstring.
But for clues to the outcome of tonight’s match, we might be better advised to revisit the last time these two teams played. On that occasion, round 15, 2009, the Blues won by only 20 points, and their best two players were Chris Judd (29 possessions, three Brownlow Medal votes) and Brendan Fevola (nine goals, two Brownlow Medal votes).
Fevola is now with Brisbane, and Judd is out suspended.
Richmond have lost few players of note from that round 15 line-up, (they were already without veterans Bowden, Richardson, Johnson and Brown) and they have added exciting midfield draftee Dustin Martin, speedy flanker Ben Nason, livewire forward Relton, and former Port Adelaide defender Mitch Farmer.
Carlton is busy trying to construct a new, multi-pronged forward line, and has promised a more patient style of play, leaving it less open to counter-attacks.
Richmond is aiming to rebuild their team from its current ground zero, with a defence-first mentality.
These works-in-progress may make tonight’s match a dour affair, with both teams trying to retain possession with switching of play across the ground, until a gilt-edged attacking opportunity presents itself for two smallish, inexperienced attacks.
Richmond appears to be following the model Hawthorn used to reconstruct their list from the bottom of the ladder. (Tiger coach Damien Hardwick worked at Hawthorn for the four years prior to taking up the clipboard at Punt Road).
The problem with such rebuilding campaigns is that coaches require players to execute their skills with a precision that often does not emerge for a couple of years – the Hawks were ridiculed in the first years of the Alistair Clarkson regime, when they often looked chaotic as they imprinted a finnicky zone defence. They won five games the first year, 2005, and nine in 2006, but there were some ungainly moments early on.
Both teams have question marks over their forward lines. If anything the Tigers appear to have more goalkicking potential, with Riewoldt, Morton and Nahas amongst their first-picked players. Inexperienced Blues Yarran, Robinson and O’hAilpin have yet to prove they can combine to good effect.
But the match is likely to be decided by two factors further up the ground. Firstly, the team which wins the midfield battle, providing the easiest scoring opportunities for their forwards, will grab the ascendancy.
But given the potentially grungy style of the match, the game-breaker should be skill execution.
Simply put, the team which commits the fewest turnovers will win.
The midfield competition could be very close, with Richmond’s Deledio, Cotchin, Cousins, Martin, Tambling and Jackson leading the charge against Carlton’s Gibbs, Murphy, McLean, Carazzo, Simpson and Joseph.
But on what we have seen in pre-season, the cohesion, confidence and decision-making of the Tiger lesser lights is not up to that of the Blues. In what should be a tight match, Richmond seems more likely to 'win' the clanger count, and give Carlton the counter-attacking opportunities to fashion a winning score.
By round 20, when these two teams again meet at the MCG, things might be different, the Tigers more able to carry out their coach’s wishes and less prone to disastrous turnovers. But tonight, the more settled and seasoned Blues should just prevail.
Key players, Richmond:
Jack Riewoldt is the key to the forward line. No man-mountain, he is nonetheless a powerful figure in the making, fast for a tall forward and capable of taking a big mark. He needs to do just that to give the Tiger forward line some structure.
Kelvin Moore looked like becoming an elite backman until his disappointing 2009 season. Agile, possessing good judgement and courageous, he must become a rebounding force to ensure Richmond’s back half is creative, as well as defensive.
Brett Deledio is a great player to watch – fast, aware, a lovely kick. But now he must become an imposing force. Young fellow on-ballers Cotchin and Martin have great skills and attitudes, but their bodies are not ready for the constant battering of the AFL midfield. Deledio, only 22, but a veteran of 106 games, must demand a tagger, then remain effective once one is assigned.
Key Players, Carlton:
Paul Bower is a quiet achiever, but Carlton know just how effective this half-back has become after only 45 games. If he can become an attacking force running from defence, the nippy Tigers flankers will be forced further from goal and more pressure will fall to young target Tiger Riewoldt.
Bryce Gibbs. In the absence of Chris Judd, and with Marc Murphy coming off an interrupted pre-season, the classy midfielder must lead the Blues running brigade and give them the ascendancy at the stoppages.
Eddie Betts. In career-best form and fitness following a club suspension during pre-season, Betts, already a fine small forward, must continue to demand more of himself. He has the capacity to use his pace to be a leading option, as well as a crumber, and he should be setting his sights on kicking a minimum of two goals per game.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/preview-richmond-v-carlton-20100325-qxzr.html
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I am so @#$% pumped for tonights game. :gotigers
Had trouble sleeping last night I was so pumped.
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Had trouble sleeping last night I was so pumped.
:lol
I slept ok mat, but I dreamt about footy.
We won 40 - 22. We kicked a goal after the siren.
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Actually even though I have to wait until 7.30pmWST for the game I am very excited too, can't wait infact.
One thing I would like to put to the forum though is this. Why have I see all the footy shows, read all the acticles, read the forums and continually heard most saying that this is the best chance of us beating Carlton because they are undermanned.. :banghead :banghead :banghead.
Honestly WTF, Judd is out THAT IS IT, they can't keep saying Fev is out otherwise we could chirp in with wel Richo, Brown, Bowden... and so on. We also have Foley out, what gives I am sick of hearing how undermanned they are. They have a full strength side bar Judd FFS enough.
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Actually even though I have to wait until 7.30pmWST for the game I am very excited too, can't wait infact.
One thing I would like to put to the forum though is this. Why have I see all the footy shows, read all the acticles, read the forums and continually heard most saying that this is the best chance of us beating Carlton because they are undermanned.. :banghead :banghead :banghead.
Honestly WTF, Judd is out THAT IS IT, they can't keep saying Fev is out otherwise we could chirp in with wel Richo, Brown, Bowden... and so on. We also have Foley out, what gives I am sick of hearing how undermanned they are. They have a full strength side bar Judd FFS enough.
Forgot someone else who usually runs riot against us - Nick Stevens
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Actually even though I have to wait until 7.30pmWST for the game I am very excited too, can't wait infact.
One thing I would like to put to the forum though is this. Why have I see all the footy shows, read all the acticles, read the forums and continually heard most saying that this is the best chance of us beating Carlton because they are undermanned.. :banghead :banghead :banghead.
Honestly WTF, Judd is out THAT IS IT, they can't keep saying Fev is out otherwise we could chirp in with wel Richo, Brown, Bowden... and so on. We also have Foley out, what gives I am sick of hearing how undermanned they are. They have a full strength side bar Judd FFS enough.
Forgot someone else who usually runs riot against us - Nick Stevens
But he is gone so they are still full strength.
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That was actually a pretty well considered article for a change. :gotigers
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Well this is my last post before the game as I am turning off all communication devices as I do not want to know the score until I watch it at 7.30pmWST. Good luck boys all the best and lets hope we can have a win first up as I believe you are more than capable of it. If we do happen to lose though, please do it with dignity... :thumbsup
GO TIGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Few bits of tumbleweed rolling through this thread.....
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Hmmm.
It IS going to be a tough year.
Absolutely smashed in the middle. The only actual clearance of ours I noticed was Thomson in the third to Cousins for a goal.
Heaps of fumbling and dropped marks.
Stupidity of some players trying to keep the ball alive in the defensive 50 when they need to learn to kill the contest.
The ball coming out of our foward line much to easily.
Ruck contests where we had NO ruckman ???
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Oh dear. It's going to be a long year :help
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i know were pretty poor at the moment but surely the ruckmen can make it to the contest to give us a chance.
On the plus side cant see demons being much better so bring on the dee's in a few weeks.
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Troy Simmpnds looks slow and old.
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Troy Simmpnds looks slow and old.
Troy actually put in.
It was Vickery who refused to take the ruck on several occassions
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And Simmonds is the best we got at the moment. Can you imagine if we delisted him and had Graham and Vickery rucking tonight!! :o
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Graham wont get a game
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the most surprising thing about this game is the fact that Hardwick couldnt find room for Post ahead of some those midgets who played tonight.
Newman gee whiz and this bloke is our captain!! What a disgrace he is to be wearing Number 17. He deserves number 71 for Coburg and thats about it.
As usual left to very few. Lids, Jack, Jackson & Cuz if only you had more friends, we might have actually come close.
Hislop should never wear the jumper again.
Tambling & Edwards are shy little boys who should be playing little league. Weak as pee those 2.
Roberts and Nason were okay. Martin is class.
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Graham > Vickery
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I have said this all along , why recruit midgets?? :banghead
Nahas, is like playing with one player less.
Doesnt stand front and centre and is too easily pushed off the ball.
Nahas should get a tape of Eddie Betts and watch it for a week,
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I have said this all along , why recruit midgets?? :banghead
Nahas, is like playing with one player less.
Doesnt stand front and centre and is too easily pushed off the ball.
Nahas should get a tape of Eddie Betts and watch it for a week,
just when i thought it could get any worse i look to our forward 50 and i see Nahas, Nason, Hislop and Jack.
ladies and Gentleman that is our forward line. FFS we have a genuine kpp in Post so what the stuff r they doing playing little league with these midgets.
Was it hailing or rainy...uum no.. it was a balmy night perfect for big players.
People should never bag Jack R because i tell you right now if he had mates who could help him out that were over 6ft he would kick 60 goals plus. Each week he is pitted against all the best defenders yet still tries hard.
What chance has he got when his fellow forwards are the cast members from fantasy island.
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dont know why morton started on the bench abit of a surprise. Our number 1 goal kicker from last year.
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here we go again. a game against a team with minimal forward strength still has 30 scoring shots against us. hmm...
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bit strange to have Cuz and Lids running in off the wings at centre bounces
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the most surprising thing about this game is the fact that Hardwick couldnt find room for Post ahead of some those midgets who played tonight.
Agree 100% Daniel. The forward line might have actually looked half decent with Post and Astbury in it, instead of those spuds Hislop and Tambling.
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sad to see tambling is only this far in his career after watching tonights performance.
especially being a number 4 draft pick :-\
hopefully he lifts for next weeks game.
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post isnt in bc they want him to work on his power running more, he'll get a go as will astbury/griffiths gourdis. i'm glad they are going abt it like this, - everyoe will get a shot but everyone needs to work on their shortcomings as well
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It doesn't help giving sides 5 goal starts. It's hard enough for a young side as it is without being forced to play catch-up footy all night. We were simply non-competitive in the first 10-15 minutes. I thought he we go again :help. We then pushed numbers back and somehow got a zone structure right to plug the burst dam wall and we finally got our hands on the footy and had the play for the last 10 mins kicking 4 goals with all the mometum. Just as we got back to within 10 points Mr OPSM in Carlton's forward pays a Richmond mark (or at worst it should had been play-on or ball-up) to Betts :banghead. Umps were as poor as we were. Some very odd decisions last night ???.
Second quarter was a repeat of the first. Blues running all over us in the first 10 mins and us fighting back in the last 10. Could have been closer is we could actually kick straight (misses from Thomson, Jacko, Blingers) and if Jack had spotted a free Thomson or Morton rather than trying to grubber a goal along the ground from 70m out ???. Still only 19 points down at half-time with the momentum and more scoring shots. Game on I thought :P.
The third quarter I thought was our most even quarter in effort even if Hardwick thought it was "diabolical". Controlled the general play for most of it but our first 4 forays forward in the first 5-10 minutes ended up in one brainfade turnover after brainfade turnover as we were streaming through the centre corridor in open space towards goal. The Blues kicked a couple of goals from them and went into 3/4 time 5 goals up and game over.
Last quarter was a repeat of the last two practice matches. Dropped our heads, became uncompetitive and a rabble. Some laughable goals conceded 10-15 out from the Carlton goal which belong more in the little league. Kicking just 2 goals in a half in such an open free flowing game is just not good enough no matter what.
Decent: Thursty, Lids, Cotch, Jack, Nason
Okay: Morton, Thomson (not a great sign if he is in our best 10), Martin, Roberts (okay for a debutant - mixture of good and not so good), Simmo (although our rucks seemed to get the tap but tap it down to the Carlton mids ??? ), Edwards (I'm no fan and he's no small defender but I thought he wasn't too bad)
Poor: McGaune, Moore, Newy, Tambling, Farmer, Nahas, Hislop, Vickery, Connors, Jacko (no point getting the ball a lot if you're going to just give it straight back to the opposition), Cuz (was crouched down looking not right in the huddle - shouldn't have played)
Shocking last quarter after a mostly and relative competitive first 3 quarters. I guess no surprise but if we stayed within 4-5 goals by the final siren we would have walked away with some positives. The media now will only focus on the near 10 goal loss or just ignore us on-field for the rest of the season.
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Pics from the game last night:
http://images.slatterymedia.com/photography/results/?q=collection:AFL 2010 Rd 01 - Richmond v Carlton&sub_code=all&per_page=100 (http://images.slatterymedia.com/photography/results/?q=collection:AFL 2010 Rd 01 - Richmond v Carlton&sub_code=all&per_page=100)
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post isnt in bc they want him to work on his power running more, he'll get a go as will astbury/griffiths gourdis. i'm glad they are going abt it like this, - everyoe will get a shot but everyone needs to work on their shortcomings as well
Fair enough Tony. But I think the selectors gave us no chance with the way they structured the forward line. Absolutely not enough marking options. Besides, if working on shortcomings is a criteria for being left out of the side,then why isn't Hislop told to go away and work on his kicking and self-discipline? Or Tambling (after five years) sent away to learn how to get involved?
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Skills last night were woeful. Thought Farmer and Marten were a bit quiet but Nason & Roberts at least tried. Couldn't believe that mark they awarded to Betts? Hello?????
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post isnt in bc they want him to work on his power running more, he'll get a go as will astbury/griffiths gourdis. i'm glad they are going abt it like this, - everyoe will get a shot but everyone needs to work on their shortcomings as well
Fair enough Tony. But I think the selectors gave us no chance with the way they structured the forward line. Absolutely not enough marking options. Besides, if working on shortcomings is a criteria for being left out of the side,then why isn't Hislop told to go away and work on his kicking and self-discipline? Or Tambling (after five years) sent away to learn how to get involved?
What surprised me for such a small forward line was the lack of crumbers. Have a look at the size of Carlton's multiple goal kickers, most of those goals weren't from set shots either.
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post isnt in bc they want him to work on his power running more, he'll get a go as will astbury/griffiths gourdis. i'm glad they are going abt it like this, - everyoe will get a shot but everyone needs to work on their shortcomings as well
Fair enough Tony. But I think the selectors gave us no chance with the way they structured the forward line. Absolutely not enough marking options. Besides, if working on shortcomings is a criteria for being left out of the side,then why isn't Hislop told to go away and work on his kicking and self-discipline? Or Tambling (after five years) sent away to learn how to get involved?
What surprised me for such a small forward line was the lack of crumbers. Have a look at the size of Carlton's multiple goal kickers, most of those goals weren't from set shots either.
Yeah I know. Going into the game I was concerned that our undersized backline would struggle against their talls, but they didn't dominate til the floodgates opened. It was the crumbers who killed us. We had no answer for Betts and co.
We didn't get anywhere near enough from Nahas by comparison.
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It doesn't help giving sides 5 goal starts. It's hard enough for a young side as it is without being forced to play catch-up footy all night. We were simply non-competitive in the first 10-15 minutes. I thought he we go again :help. We then pushed numbers back and somehow got a zone structure right to plug the burst dam wall and we finally got our hands on the footy and had the play for the last 10 mins kicking 4 goals with all the mometum. Just as we got back to within 10 points Mr OPSM in Carlton's forward pays a Richmond mark (or at worst it should had been play-on or ball-up) to Betts :banghead. Umps were as poor as we were. Some very odd decisions last night ???.
Second quarter was a repeat of the first. Blues running all over us in the first 10 mins and us fighting back in the last 10. Could have been closer is we could actually kick straight (misses from Thomson, Jacko, Blingers) and if Jack had spotted a free Thomson or Morton rather than trying to grubber a goal along the ground from 70m out ???. Still only 19 points down at half-time with the momentum and more scoring shots. Game on I thought :P.
The third quarter I thought was our most even quarter in effort even if Hardwick thought it was "diabolical". Controlled the general play for most of it but our first 4 forays forward in the first 5-10 minutes ended up in one brainfade turnover after brainfade turnover as we were streaming through the centre corridor in open space towards goal. The Blues kicked a couple of goals from them and went into 3/4 time 5 goals up and game over.
Last quarter was a repeat of the last two practice matches. Dropped our heads, became uncompetitive and a rabble. Some laughable goals conceded 10-15 out from the Carlton goal which belong more in the little league. Kicking just 2 goals in a half in such an open free flowing game is just not good enough no matter what.
Decent: Thursty, Lids, Cotch, Jack, Nason
Okay: Morton, Thomson (not a great sign if he is in our best 10), Martin, Roberts (okay for a debutant - mixture of good and not so good), Simmo (although our rucks seemed to get the tap but tap it down to the Carlton mids ??? ), Edwards (I'm no fan and he's no small defender but I thought he wasn't too bad)
Poor: McGaune, Moore, Newy, Tambling, Farmer, Nahas, Hislop, Vickery, Connors, Jacko (no point getting the ball a lot if you're going to just give it straight back to the opposition), Cuz (was crouched down looking not right in the huddle - shouldn't have played)
Shocking last quarter after a mostly and relative competitive first 3 quarters. I guess no surprise but if we stayed within 4-5 goals by the final siren we would have walked away with some positives. The media now will only focus on the near 10 goal loss or just ignore us on-field for the rest of the season.
Would totally agree :thumbsup
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Wow didn't expect that but what the hey, just goes to show how bad we really are, at least now I can stop deluding myself that we might win a game. BTW anyone wan't to blow Edwards trumpet now........ what a terrible player, he honestly has nothing going for him, why the hell Tuck didn't play is beyond me. Don't tell me Edwards is the future.... :o
One more question, do we have a game plan, I am sure that Wallace would have done better last night with the core group of players he had at his disposal. I am not knocking Hardwick but geez, what the hell was going on???? I don't even think the players knew.
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Wow didn't expect that but what the hey, just goes to show how bad we really are, at least now I can stop deluding myself that we might win a game. BTW anyone wan't to blow Edwards trumpet now........ what a terrible player, he honestly has nothing going for him, why the hell Tuck didn't play is beyond me. Don't tell me Edwards is the future.... :o
One more question, do we have a game plan, I am sure that Wallace would have done better last night with the core group of players he had at his disposal. I am not knocking Hardwick but geez, what the hell was going on???? I don't even think the players knew.
all preseason the players have been banging on about how excited they are about the gameplan and that they really believe in it. Obviously a rehearsed answer but will make them look silly if we keep looking like lost sheep out there.
As for the game plan the main thing we need to keep working on is defensive pressure, where to run to and when, we leak goals far too easily, blues had 11 goals on the board 10 mins into the 2nd quarter, and it was similar in the preseason games. gotta harden up and run harder!
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rebehinded?
Jeez, why on earth is the word ars.e on the swear list, ass isn't
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Wow didn't expect that but what the hey, just goes to show how bad we really are, at least now I can stop deluding myself that we might win a game. BTW anyone wan't to blow Edwards trumpet now........ what a terrible player, he honestly has nothing going for him, why the hell Tuck didn't play is beyond me. Don't tell me Edwards is the future.... :o
One more question, do we have a game plan, I am sure that Wallace would have done better last night with the core group of players he had at his disposal. I am not knocking Hardwick but geez, what the hell was going on???? I don't even think the players knew.
Do not suggest Wallace would have done better. Hardwick changed the structure and got numbers back after Carlton were smashes us in the middle. Got numbers back and played mroe man on man for a bit and then got the Zone pretty well done for mine. The Hardwick Zone is mile sbetter than Wallaces imitation. It was so obvious Hardwick knew the ins and out of the Zone defence compared to seasons where Wallace tried to copy it. The players clearly knew where to stand and what spots were thinner than others. On many occasions the blues coffed it up because of teh zone. In previous years we'd have been lucky for it to happen twice in a game under Wallace.
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Wow didn't expect that but what the hey, just goes to show how bad we really are, at least now I can stop deluding myself that we might win a game. BTW anyone wan't to blow Edwards trumpet now........ what a terrible player, he honestly has nothing going for him, why the hell Tuck didn't play is beyond me. Don't tell me Edwards is the future.... :o
One more question, do we have a game plan, I am sure that Wallace would have done better last night with the core group of players he had at his disposal. I am not knocking Hardwick but geez, what the hell was going on???? I don't even think the players knew.
Do not suggest Wallace would have done better. Hardwick changed the structure and got numbers back after Carlton were smashes us in the middle. Got numbers back and played mroe man on man for a bit and then got the Zone pretty well done for mine. The Hardwick Zone is mile sbetter than Wallaces imitation. It was so obvious Hardwick knew the ins and out of the Zone defence compared to seasons where Wallace tried to copy it. The players clearly knew where to stand and what spots were thinner than others. On many occasions the blues coffed it up because of teh zone. In previous years we'd have been lucky for it to happen twice in a game under Wallace.
"Do Not", how about you don't tell me to "do not"pal!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't agree with your comments anyway and if Hardwick knew the in's and out's surely he should not have selected EDWARDS!!! If the game plan was that good why the hell did we get flogged????? Could you imagine the margin had Fev and Judd been in the side????? We would have been been flogged by more than last year, wake up, we have not progressed anyware other than "younger players"!!!!
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said it before teams are built around the CHF / FF
No target no reward
Forwards are the the most valid position on the ground
1, always got someone to target up forward
2, Forwards kicking goals builds confidence & brings other players up a level.
3, Puts scoreboard preasure on the opposition, making them work harder & setting doubt in thier minds & ability of their own players.
4, Good Forwards take preasure off the midfielders who become very dangerous moving forward to add attack & more scoring options
5, Gives defenders required rest & more time to focus on the game plan of the opposition moving forward
could add much more
so all goes back too you can have the best midfielders in the league but if your forwards are useless & small start buying some wooden spoon hooks cause we be getting some
Cotchin is not 100% & cannot run at full pace " shouldnot be playing
Deledio overated
Tambling chicken & over rated
Edwards as above reminds me of FIORA the chicken boy, ;D oh please shoot me now his VFL player at best
McMAHON our special draft & POLAK the tram conductor, why keep them if they cant even make the team round 1
It only happens at Tigerland :lol Build the team backwards is thier thinking.
We been buying midfielders for years now
Chris Newman, sorry mate but that game was shocking for a leader
Now it will take weeks for this club to sort its team out & get the players working together so the result was above expected from most of us
Hardwick will take action after round 1 & you will see some changes
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said it before teams are built around the CHF / FF
No target no reward
Forwards are the the most valid position on the ground
1, always got someone to target up forward
2, Forwards kicking goals builds confidence & brings other players up a level.
3, Puts scoreboard preasure on the opposition, making them work harder & setting doubt in thier minds & ability of their own players.
4, Good Forwards take preasure off the midfielders who become very dangerous moving forward to add attack & more scoring options
5, Gives defenders required rest & more time to focus on the game plan of the opposition moving forward
could add much more
so all goes back too you can have the best midfielders in the league but if your forwards are useless & small start buying some wooden spoon hooks cause we be getting some
Cotchin is not 100% & cannot run at full pace " shouldnot be playing
Deledio overated
Tambling chicken & over rated
Edwards as above reminds me of FIORA the chicken boy, ;D oh please shoot me now his VFL player at best
McMAHON our special draft & POLAK the tram conductor, why keep them if they cant even make the team round 1
It only happens at Tigerland :lol Build the team backwards is thier thinking.
We been buying midfielders for years now
Chris Newman, sorry mate but that game was shocking for a leader
Now it will take weeks for this club to sort its team out & get the players working together so the result was above expected from most of us
Hardwick will take action after round 1 & you will see some changes
Would agree.
I am really worried about Hardwick views in regards to defense.
Reason being that he resigned to the fact that we aint going to win the centre clearances, there lies a huge problem
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Jack l cant remember a worse game when we had lots of small players in the forward line,
but when the ball was moved forward there was not 1 crumber within 10 metres of the ball at most times
This really concerns me at the ease & time clubs have to regroup to reattack
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Jack l cant remember a worse game when we had lots of small players in the forward line,
but when the ball was moved forward there was not 1 crumber within 10 metres of the ball at most times
This really concerns me at the ease & time clubs have to regroup to reattack
What forward line.. :help. Polak and Tuck should of been that side.
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Its pretty clear they are waiting on the development of Griffiths and Astbury as the 2 key forwards. Until then we are stranded with what we have at the moment.
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Wow didn't expect that but what the hey, just goes to show how bad we really are, at least now I can stop deluding myself that we might win a game. BTW anyone wan't to blow Edwards trumpet now........ what a terrible player, he honestly has nothing going for him, why the hell Tuck didn't play is beyond me. Don't tell me Edwards is the future.... :o
One more question, do we have a game plan, I am sure that Wallace would have done better last night with the core group of players he had at his disposal. I am not knocking Hardwick but geez, what the hell was going on???? I don't even think the players knew.
Do not suggest Wallace would have done better. Hardwick changed the structure and got numbers back after Carlton were smashes us in the middle. Got numbers back and played mroe man on man for a bit and then got the Zone pretty well done for mine. The Hardwick Zone is mile sbetter than Wallaces imitation. It was so obvious Hardwick knew the ins and out of the Zone defence compared to seasons where Wallace tried to copy it. The players clearly knew where to stand and what spots were thinner than others. On many occasions the blues coffed it up because of teh zone. In previous years we'd have been lucky for it to happen twice in a game under Wallace.
"Do Not", how about you don't tell me to "do not"pal!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't agree with your comments anyway and if Hardwick knew the in's and out's surely he should not have selected EDWARDS!!! If the game plan was that good why the hell did we get flogged????? Could you imagine the margin had Fev and Judd been in the side????? We would have been been flogged by more than last year, wake up, we have not progressed anyware other than "younger players"!!!!
::) embarrassing. I'm not your enemy WAT. relax.
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Jack l cant remember a worse game when we had lots of small players in the forward line,
but when the ball was moved forward there was not 1 crumber within 10 metres of the ball at most times
This really concerns me at the ease & time clubs have to regroup to reattack
Either two things need to happen with Nahas..
Three actually,
Needs to put his head over the ball. ::)
If he wanders outside F50, he is dragged (Not rotated ) and doesnt play the next 20 minutes. ::)
And please, some brainwave down at Punt Road give him a copy of Eddie Betts or Milne video tape to see how its done, otherwise,just another postage stamp who is a waste of a spot on our list
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I am sure that Wallace would have done better last night with the core group of players he had at his disposal. I am not knocking Hardwick but geez, what the hell was going on???? I don't even think the players knew.
Round 1 last year ring any bells? Wallace didn't do too well, and he had Richo, Brown and Bowden in the side.
If Wallace was coaching, it would be his 6th year. It was Hardwicks first game. So it's not really fair to make that comparison.
I couldn't say with any confidence that Wallace would have done any better anyway.
Our first half was ok, the second half wasn't.
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absolutely ridiculous call to be passing judgement on Hardwick in his first game as coach. There are things going on behind the scenes that most have no idea about. When clarko was accused for 2 years of not having a clue, did he just magically learn how to coach? ::) Bit more credit and realism, these guys know how to coach and know the best formations, but for a few seasons hardwick will be trying some (what seem) unorthodox tactics/selections/formations to get a good look at players out of their comfort zones, what strengths and weaknesses are etc etc.
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l want to know why a bunch of player / coaches cant play man on man football
no forward line for weeks now
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l want to know why a bunch of player / coaches cant play man on man football
no forward line for weeks now
Whats really disappointing about last night is this.
We never play the game on OUR terms, we lose structure and push players back behind the ball. not a good sign.
In a previous life ;)it was always a win for us ,when for instance we played Collingwood and Didak and Davis were chasing kicks outside F 50, why ? As they were never going to win the game with those blokes forced to play up the ground.
I am referring to our win against the Pies in 2004 ;) The game was played on our terms, one of the few over the past 5-6 years.
Leave it at that shell we.
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Its pretty clear they are waiting on the development of Griffiths and Astbury as the 2 key forwards. Until then we are stranded with what we have at the moment.
One of the more sensible posts on this thread.
Toughen up ladies until the draftees develop we are stuck with the same old same old and putting one dud in for another will do jacksh!t for us. The scary thing is we needed to be here two years ago.
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Its pretty clear they are waiting on the development of Griffiths and Astbury as the 2 key forwards. Until then we are stranded with what we have at the moment.
One of the more sensible posts on this thread.
Toughen up ladies until the draftees develop we are stuck with the same old same old and putting one dud in for another will do jacksh!t for us. The scary thing is we needed to be here two years ago.
There are no excuses. Richmond is a AFL Professional football club who failed, & failed in all departments over & over & over again.
Those draftees should be getting developed while other players are well into there careers doing the job in all positions playing AFL top quality football with the best skills
Too many people who never played football or at a high standard running a football club with no idea, which has cost the club too many years. it will never recover in my lifetime.
The real problem at Richmond & why they continue to draft skinny skilless players is some are lining there pockets & less is going into the club & players FACT
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Its pretty clear they are waiting on the development of Griffiths and Astbury as the 2 key forwards. Until then we are stranded with what we have at the moment.
One of the more sensible posts on this thread.
Toughen up ladies until the draftees develop we are stuck with the same old same old and putting one dud in for another will do jacksh!t for us. The scary thing is we needed to be here two years ago.
There are no excuses. Richmond is a AFL Professional football club who failed, & failed in all departments over & over & over again.
Those draftees should be getting developed while other players are well into there careers doing the job in all positions playing AFL top quality football with the best skills
Too many people who never played football or at a high standard running a football club with no idea, which has cost the club too many years. it will never recover in my lifetime.
The real problem at Richmond & why they continue to draft skinny skilless players is some are lining there pockets & less is going into the club & players FACT
Totally agree :thumbsup :clapping
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just as a side note here..should roberts be carrying what appears to me excess luggage?...
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just as a side note here..should roberts be carrying what appears to me excess luggage?...
NO
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Wow didn't expect that but what the hey, just goes to show how bad we really are, at least now I can stop deluding myself that we might win a game. BTW anyone wan't to blow Edwards trumpet now........ what a terrible player, he honestly has nothing going for him, why the hell Tuck didn't play is beyond me. Don't tell me Edwards is the future.... :o
One more question, do we have a game plan, I am sure that Wallace would have done better last night with the core group of players he had at his disposal. I am not knocking Hardwick but geez, what the hell was going on???? I don't even think the players knew.
Do not suggest Wallace would have done better. Hardwick changed the structure and got numbers back after Carlton were smashes us in the middle. Got numbers back and played mroe man on man for a bit and then got the Zone pretty well done for mine. The Hardwick Zone is mile sbetter than Wallaces imitation. It was so obvious Hardwick knew the ins and out of the Zone defence compared to seasons where Wallace tried to copy it. The players clearly knew where to stand and what spots were thinner than others. On many occasions the blues coffed it up because of teh zone. In previous years we'd have been lucky for it to happen twice in a game under Wallace.
"Do Not", how about you don't tell me to "do not"pal!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't agree with your comments anyway and if Hardwick knew the in's and out's surely he should not have selected EDWARDS!!! If the game plan was that good why the hell did we get flogged????? Could you imagine the margin had Fev and Judd been in the side????? We would have been been flogged by more than last year, wake up, we have not progressed anyware other than "younger players"!!!!
::) embarrassing. I'm not your enemy WAT. relax.
Sorry PL, my bike ride sorted me out... :thumbsup
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Sorry PL, my bike ride sorted me out... :thumbsup
:lol
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Sorry PL, my bike ride sorted me out... :thumbsup
:lol
:whistle :whistle
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Sorry PL, my bike ride sorted me out... :thumbsup
:lol
Motorbike BTW, with the boys, they would love to meet you.... :shh
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:lol
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Not in the way you are either Davey... ;)
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Gee, I'm glad i haven't been able to get online until now.
While disappointed, no real surprises in what i saw Thursday night.
Except one.
Just before half time we had posession in the back pocket. Deledio was standing on the edge of the square on the wing, right in front of me. There was space for him to lead to but he just stood there with his hands on his hips and looking at the ground. He didn't even look at the man with ball.
Given his second half performance (or lack of), i suppose he may have been crook, but geez, very very ordinary for someone regarded as a senior player with so much natural ability.
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Gee, I'm glad i haven't been able to get online until now.
While disappointed, no real surprises in what i saw Thursday night.
Except one.
Just before half time we had posession in the back pocket. Deledio was standing on the edge of the square on the wing, right in front of me. There was space for him to lead to but he just stood there with his hands on his hips and looking at the ground. He didn't even look at the man with ball.
Given his second half performance (or lack of), i suppose he may have been crook, but geez, very very ordinary for someone regarded as a senior player with so much natural ability.
Totally agree, Gave nothing all night. We played too short, Post, Polo, Polack, Rance should have played as should had Tucky & McTurnover. A little bit more experience goes a long way
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finished watching the replay.
a lot of positives i took out of, but a lot of negatives too.
it is not all horrible.
i think we needed another target.
our midfield got smashed, but the midfield 75% of the time, were: Daniel Jackson, Adam Thomson and Dustin Martin.
Adam Thomson is a tryer and needs more time in the midfield. Hardwick said that our quick improvement will come from the 2nd-4th year players and this is what i could see.
Thomson got a chance to play in the midfield with Daniel Jackson. Dustin Martin i thought was very good!
1st match, he would of been very nervous, and slowly got into the match but most importantly, tackled and put his head over the football.
Brett Deledio ... ... ... Terry Wallace is right, he will be a Robert Murphy. Deledio will be that player who will never be the elite!
in the third quarter, Deledio was never seen, he had two touches, 90 seconds from three quarter time.
Richard Tambling, he is never played in the one position and he tried. Even though, Jackson, Thomson and Martin were in the midfield, Tambling should be there.
I think Tambling should be played as a lead up half-forward!
Shane Edwards, fudges up too many times, DELIST thank you, play Matthew Dea or Webberley!
Interesting that Morton started the third quarter on the bench! Didn't get on untill the 10 minute mark!
:)
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Contact between Carlton’s Jarrad Waite and Richmond’s Daniel Connors from the first quarter of Thursday’s match was assessed. The impact was below that required to constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/91255/default.aspx
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Contact between Carlton’s Jarrad Waite and Richmond’s Daniel Connors from the first quarter of Thursday’s match was assessed. The impact was below that required to constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/91255/default.aspx
He threw the punch & should be suspended regardless, even throwing the punch should be deemed reckless
A set of rules for certain clubs yet Richmond players get cursed when it comes to being sited :banghead :banghead
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Channel 10 Sport showed footage of the incident. They suggested that charges weren't pursued because Waite threw a punch at Jackson,missed him, and clocked Connors instead. Seems like bizarre reasoning to me. I'm with you TigerMonk.Jake King can get suspended for something that wasn't picked up by the cameras and not even the umpire at the time saw. Yet our players seem to be fair game. :banghead
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Waite was lucky there was footage of him punching Connors in the jaw. He might have been in trouble if there wasn't any film of the incident as happened to Kingy ???.
Seriously what was the difference?! ???. The tribunal basing their decisions on player reputation and history.
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Double standards at its best.
If anything wasn't there intent even if Waite missed his intended target. ::)
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Wait a sec, if your swinging a clenched fist around, isn't that intent to punch someone? FFS what sort of crack are these AFL clowns smoking?