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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 20, 2010, 04:51:38 AM
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Tiger baiting
MARK HAWTHORNE
May 20, 2010
DON'T kick a dog while it's down - words that aren't in the repertoire of many politicians.
During his jaunt to China, Victorian Premier John Brumby addressed the Australian Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai and was quizzed about the role of Chinese women in sport.
The premier recalled his visit to Jiangwan Stadium, where he watched some children in an Auskick program.
''Some of those girls could get a game for Richmond,'' he quipped. ''Get a game, in fact they'd make the whole team.''
Strike off a few votes along the Yarra's north bank, but the remark did bring howls of laughter.
Which means news of how bad the Tigers are has made it all the way to China.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/hawks-cash-in-on-fans-expertise-20100519-vf9r.html
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And right now, the labour party wouldn't win a seat for the red shirts if there was an election in Thailand.
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Bracks was a dead duck anyway,with the ongoing Myki fiasco,the upsurge in violent crime around the CBD, and the obvious kickbacks in pushing through the paperwork for the vandalising of the historic Windsor Hotel.
These comments were the famous last words for this arrogant Collingwood scumbag.
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Bracks was a dead duck anyway,with the ongoing Myki fiasco,the upsurge in violent crime around the CBD, and the obvious kickbacks in pushing through the paperwork for the vandalising of the historic Windsor Hotel.
These comments were the famous last words for this arrogant Collingwood scumbag.
Funny though, that was the case before the last election and you silly Victorians still voted the flogbag and his corrupt cronies back in. :o
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BRUMBY IS A FARQIN WANKER AND HE CAN SUCK MY BALLS FOR ALL I CARE. THOSE LABOUR idiots HAVER SCREWED THIS STATE OVER.
Where do i sign up Ted.
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Bracks was a dead duck anyway,with the ongoing Myki fiasco,the upsurge in violent crime around the CBD, and the obvious kickbacks in pushing through the paperwork for the vandalising of the historic Windsor Hotel.
These comments were the famous last words for this arrogant Collingwood scumbag.
Funny though, that was the case before the last election and you silly Victorians still voted the flogbag and his corrupt cronies back in. :o
I AGREE, IVE ALWAYS FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHY NOT ONLY VICTORIANS BUT ALL AUSTRALIANS ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO VOTE ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT IN....... :banghead
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HISTORY WOULD HAVE TAUGHT US SOMETHING. :help
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Bracks was a dead duck anyway,with the ongoing Myki fiasco,the upsurge in violent crime around the CBD, and the obvious kickbacks in pushing through the paperwork for the vandalising of the historic Windsor Hotel.
These comments were the famous last words for this arrogant Collingwood scumbag.
Funny though, that was the case before the last election and you silly Victorians still voted the flogbag and his corrupt cronies back in. :o
I AGREE, IVE ALWAYS FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHY NOT ONLY VICTORIANS BUT ALL AUSTRALIANS ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO VOTE ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT IN....... :banghead
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HISTORY WOULD HAVE TAUGHT US SOMETHING. :help
agree, just shows how dumb many aussies are
they think the ALP are the best but they are a bunch or wankers
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Bracks was a dead duck anyway,with the ongoing Myki fiasco,the upsurge in violent crime around the CBD, and the obvious kickbacks in pushing through the paperwork for the vandalising of the historic Windsor Hotel.
These comments were the famous last words for this arrogant Collingwood scumbag.
Funny though, that was the case before the last election and you silly Victorians still voted the flogbag and his corrupt cronies back in. :o
I AGREE, IVE ALWAYS FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHY NOT ONLY VICTORIANS BUT ALL AUSTRALIANS ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO VOTE ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT IN....... :banghead
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HISTORY WOULD HAVE TAUGHT US SOMETHING. :help
Unfortunately, many of those who did are not yet old enough to have experienced the wanton destruction associated with those type of governments throughout our history. They are learning their lesson as we speak.
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Bracks was a dead duck anyway,with the ongoing Myki fiasco,the upsurge in violent crime around the CBD, and the obvious kickbacks in pushing through the paperwork for the vandalising of the historic Windsor Hotel.
These comments were the famous last words for this arrogant Collingwood scumbag.
Funny though, that was the case before the last election and you silly Victorians still voted the flogbag and his corrupt cronies back in. :o
I AGREE, IVE ALWAYS FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHY NOT ONLY VICTORIANS BUT ALL AUSTRALIANS ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO VOTE ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT IN....... :banghead
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HISTORY WOULD HAVE TAUGHT US SOMETHING. :help
Unfortunately, many of those who did are not yet old enough to have experienced the wanton destruction associated with those type of governments throughout our history. They are learning their lesson as we speak.
I HOPE SO :pray
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Make you a deal, keep your liberal wankfest to yourselves and ill keep my brand to myself. Fair deal? Go Greens. :thumbsup stuff the nazi party
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Make you a deal, keep your liberal wankfest to yourselves and ill keep my brand to myself. Fair deal? Go Greens. :thumbsup eff the nazi party
GREENS!!!! CLASSIC. ALL JUST A BUNCH OF POOFTERS ARENT THEY?
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I know that I will never vote Labour here in Victoria and nor will my wife, as I tell her how to vote.
And this has also extended to the Mother inlaw to.
They still cry about what Kennet has done, give us a break.
they have had plenty of time to fix crap up but rather pass the buck and blame other.
Labour are a mob of spineless morons. :banghead
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SORRY...AM I ALLOWED TO SAY POOFTERS? ...I'LL SAY HAWTHORN SUPPORTERS INSTEAD. :thumbsup
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If Victoria vote that idiot Bracks back in to power later this year I may have to move
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SORRY...AM I ALLOWED TO SAY POOFTERS? ...I'LL SAY HAWTHORN SUPPORTERS INSTEAD. :thumbsup
Say what you want but FFS we can read your posts without your capslock on you know. :shh ;)
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If Victoria vote that idiot Bracks back in to power later this year I may have to move
Looks like you'll have to stay. He resigned in 2007.
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Bob Brown is admittedly homosexual, but what that has to do with anything I do not know. He has proven to have integrity and acted honestly and with dignity throughout his career. I believe John Howard is heterosexual, I wonder what effect that had on his decisions... :sleep Who gives a stuff. As far as making your missus vote for who you want her to Bushranger, how the stuff can you do that? Voting is supposed to be done in a booth by yourself so she should be able to cast her vote without your interference at the end of the day right? Unless I blinked and I am in Afghanistan and you walk around with your hand on the back of her neck.. The funny thing is there were some good Liberal leaders, honest blokes with integrity who stood up for what their party really meant, but they got screwed over. Malcom Frasier was one of them. The Liberal party has become a cynical, right wing mob who openly oppresses working class people. If you own a business or are involved in big business, they are your friend, if not your a mug to vote for them, simple. Labor in reality are not much better. They have betrayed a large chunk of their traditional supporter base and this has gone over to the Greens party. The liberal party also helped create the downfall of the Democrats. All the Demo's have gone over to the Greens and swelled there ranks and they did have some seasoned campaigners in there ranks. The Greens now have effectively doubled in size and power. They are not to be sniffed at and have picked up union support and funding that traditionally went to Labor. This has infuriated Labor but Labor kept shafting them on issues and tried to play hardball too many times.
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i struggle with politics.
the identity of the politician has become more important than party objectives. As jackstar would say, the "nuffers" think of elections as popularity contests. They are also completely unaccountable for promises that are made.
to be honest, its not the individual that is flawed but the archaic system for which they have to work in/with. we are but slaves in this monetary system, thankfully we are allowed respite with the greatest game on the planet!
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Bob Brown is admittedly homosexual, but what that has to do with anything I do not know. He has proven to have integrity and acted honestly and with dignity throughout his career. I believe John Howard is heterosexual, I wonder what effect that had on his decisions... :sleep Who gives a eff. As far as making your missus vote for who you want her to Bushranger, how the eff can you do that? Voting is supposed to be done in a booth by yourself so she should be able to cast her vote without your interference at the end of the day right? Unless I blinked and I am in Afghanistan and you walk around with your hand on the back of her neck.. The funny thing is there were some good Liberal leaders, honest blokes with integrity who stood up for what their party really meant, but they got screwed over. Malcom Frasier was one of them. The Liberal party has become a cynical, right wing mob who openly oppresses working class people. If you own a business or are involved in big business, they are your friend, if not your a mug to vote for them, simple. Labor in reality are not much better. They have betrayed a large chunk of their traditional supporter base and this has gone over to the Greens party. The liberal party also helped create the downfall of the Democrats. All the Demo's have gone over to the Greens and swelled there ranks and they did have some seasoned campaigners in there ranks. The Greens now have effectively doubled in size and power. They are not to be sniffed at and have picked up union support and funding that traditionally went to Labor. This has infuriated Labor but Labor kept shafting them on issues and tried to play hardball too many times.
Were'nt the Demo's a bunch of Lezzo's?
And you said they all crossed over to the Greens... Does that mean they can all carpet munch in the trees then? They'll Love it. :lol :lol
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KEVIN O7!!!!! more like Mistake 08 :banghead
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KEVIN O7!!!!! more like Mistake 08 :banghead
Meh, when there is Abbott on the opposite bench it's better the devil you know imho.
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Bob Brown is admittedly homosexual, but what that has to do with anything I do not know. He has proven to have integrity and acted honestly and with dignity throughout his career. I believe John Howard is heterosexual, I wonder what effect that had on his decisions... :sleep Who gives a eff. As far as making your missus vote for who you want her to Bushranger, how the eff can you do that? Voting is supposed to be done in a booth by yourself so she should be able to cast her vote without your interference at the end of the day right? Unless I blinked and I am in Afghanistan and you walk around with your hand on the back of her neck.. The funny thing is there were some good Liberal leaders, honest blokes with integrity who stood up for what their party really meant, but they got screwed over. Malcom Frasier was one of them. The Liberal party has become a cynical, right wing mob who openly oppresses working class people. If you own a business or are involved in big business, they are your friend, if not your a mug to vote for them, simple. Labor in reality are not much better. They have betrayed a large chunk of their traditional supporter base and this has gone over to the Greens party. The liberal party also helped create the downfall of the Democrats. All the Demo's have gone over to the Greens and swelled there ranks and they did have some seasoned campaigners in there ranks. The Greens now have effectively doubled in size and power. They are not to be sniffed at and have picked up union support and funding that traditionally went to Labor. This has infuriated Labor but Labor kept shafting them on issues and tried to play hardball too many times.
Were'nt the Demo's a bunch of Lezzo's?
And you said they all crossed over to the Greens... Does that mean they can all carpet munch in the trees then? They'll Love it. :lol :lol
Ahh Tigra you are a budding example for the intelligentsia of the modern political right I take it ? Abbot would be proud of you I am sure, such devastating point scoring will have your opposition scattered to the four winds, who needs issues? Go for slurs, works every time. And of course it makes you look good too.
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Politics, eh. KRudd vs Abbott, a bit like the Blooze vs Pies - Pity they both can't lose.
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That's why you keep the bastards honest in the senate.
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I AGREE, IVE ALWAYS FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHY NOT ONLY VICTORIANS BUT ALL AUSTRALIANS ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO VOTE ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT IN....... :banghead
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HISTORY WOULD HAVE TAUGHT US SOMETHING. :help
How to insult half the posters on a forum in one easy lesson.
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I AGREE, IVE ALWAYS FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHY NOT ONLY VICTORIANS BUT ALL AUSTRALIANS ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO VOTE ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT IN....... :banghead
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HISTORY WOULD HAVE TAUGHT US SOMETHING. :help
How to insult half the posters on a forum in one easy lesson.
GOLD Gordon :thumbsup :thumbsup :rollin :lol :lol :lol
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Bob Brown is admittedly homosexual, but what that has to do with anything I do not know. He has proven to have integrity and acted honestly and with dignity throughout his career. I believe John Howard is heterosexual, I wonder what effect that had on his decisions... :sleep Who gives a eff. As far as making your missus vote for who you want her to Bushranger, how the eff can you do that? Voting is supposed to be done in a booth by yourself so she should be able to cast her vote without your interference at the end of the day right? Unless I blinked and I am in Afghanistan and you walk around with your hand on the back of her neck.. The funny thing is there were some good Liberal leaders, honest blokes with integrity who stood up for what their party really meant, but they got screwed over. Malcom Frasier was one of them. The Liberal party has become a cynical, right wing mob who openly oppresses working class people. If you own a business or are involved in big business, they are your friend, if not your a mug to vote for them, simple. Labor in reality are not much better. They have betrayed a large chunk of their traditional supporter base and this has gone over to the Greens party. The liberal party also helped create the downfall of the Democrats. All the Demo's have gone over to the Greens and swelled there ranks and they did have some seasoned campaigners in there ranks. The Greens now have effectively doubled in size and power. They are not to be sniffed at and have picked up union support and funding that traditionally went to Labor. This has infuriated Labor but Labor kept shafting them on issues and tried to play hardball too many times.
Were'nt the Demo's a bunch of Lezzo's?
And you said they all crossed over to the Greens... Does that mean they can all carpet munch in the trees then? They'll Love it. :lol :lol
Ahh Tigra you are a budding example for the intelligentsia of the modern political right I take it ? Abbot would be proud of you I am sure, such devastating point scoring will have your opposition scattered to the four winds, who needs issues? Go for slurs, works every time. And of course it makes you look good too.
Mr Owl you flatter me. ;D
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LABOUR = STUFF UP THE COUNTRY
COALITION = FIX UP THE MESS AND PROSPER
BOB BROWN = sissy = HAWTHORN SUPPORTER
HAWTHORN SUPPORTER = LIKES TO SUCK DICK
TERRY WALLETT = HAWTHORN SUPPORTER = STUFF UP RICHMOND = LABOUR = HE CAN SUCK MY DICK
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Bob Brown is admittedly homosexual, but what that has to do with anything I do not know. He has proven to have integrity and acted honestly and with dignity throughout his career. I believe John Howard is heterosexual, I wonder what effect that had on his decisions... :sleep Who gives a eff. As far as making your missus vote for who you want her to Bushranger, how the eff can you do that? Voting is supposed to be done in a booth by yourself so she should be able to cast her vote without your interference at the end of the day right? Unless I blinked and I am in Afghanistan and you walk around with your hand on the back of her neck.. The funny thing is there were some good Liberal leaders, honest blokes with integrity who stood up for what their party really meant, but they got screwed over. Malcom Frasier was one of them. The Liberal party has become a cynical, right wing mob who openly oppresses working class people. If you own a business or are involved in big business, they are your friend, if not your a mug to vote for them, simple. Labor in reality are not much better. They have betrayed a large chunk of their traditional supporter base and this has gone over to the Greens party. The liberal party also helped create the downfall of the Democrats. All the Demo's have gone over to the Greens and swelled there ranks and they did have some seasoned campaigners in there ranks. The Greens now have effectively doubled in size and power. They are not to be sniffed at and have picked up union support and funding that traditionally went to Labor. This has infuriated Labor but Labor kept shafting them on issues and tried to play hardball too many times.
As a small business owner I cant quite agree with the part about the libs being my friend. Both major political parties, but in particular the libs, will always look primarily to the interests of big business, often at the expense of small business. Just look at how many family businesses and farms have disappeared, to be replaced by a small number of large corporations in the last 50 years.
On top of that, what the liberal party will always try to do is screw the working man and woman. When the average Joe has less disposable income, it is the small business who eventually lose out, as this is where their income mainly comes from.
Besides that I agree with your sentiments.
The best policy is;
"Don't vote - it only encourages the bastards"
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TERRY WALLETT = HAWTHORN SUPPORTER = STUFF UP RICHMOND = LABOUR = HE CAN SUCK MY DICK
Therefore Mr Tigra = POOFTER ?? :P ;)
Just don't tell Aka, he doesn't want to know. :rollin
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:lol :lol
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Bob Brown is admittedly homosexual, but what that has to do with anything I do not know. He has proven to have integrity and acted honestly and with dignity throughout his career. I believe John Howard is heterosexual, I wonder what effect that had on his decisions... :sleep Who gives a eff. As far as making your missus vote for who you want her to Bushranger, how the eff can you do that? Voting is supposed to be done in a booth by yourself so she should be able to cast her vote without your interference at the end of the day right? Unless I blinked and I am in Afghanistan and you walk around with your hand on the back of her neck.. The funny thing is there were some good Liberal leaders, honest blokes with integrity who stood up for what their party really meant, but they got screwed over. Malcom Frasier was one of them. The Liberal party has become a cynical, right wing mob who openly oppresses working class people. If you own a business or are involved in big business, they are your friend, if not your a mug to vote for them, simple. Labor in reality are not much better. They have betrayed a large chunk of their traditional supporter base and this has gone over to the Greens party. The liberal party also helped create the downfall of the Democrats. All the Demo's have gone over to the Greens and swelled there ranks and they did have some seasoned campaigners in there ranks. The Greens now have effectively doubled in size and power. They are not to be sniffed at and have picked up union support and funding that traditionally went to Labor. This has infuriated Labor but Labor kept shafting them on issues and tried to play hardball too many times.
As a small business owner I cant quite agree with the part about the libs being my friend. Both major political parties, but in particular the libs, will always look primarily to the interests of big business, often at the expense of small business. Just look at how many family businesses and farms have disappeared, to be replaced by a small number of large corporations in the last 50 years.
On top of that, what the liberal party will always try to do is screw the working man and woman. When the average Joe has less disposable income, it is the small business who eventually lose out, as this is where their income mainly comes from.
Besides that I agree with your sentiments.
The best policy is;
"Don't vote - it only encourages the bastards"
LOL fair call AL it is true. I folded mine up when they brought in the GST crap, I couldn't be stuffed collecting their taxes for them and doing their paper work etc. I had enough work to keep up all hours of the night let alone do all that crap.
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Labor has stuffed up the country both state and federally. I love the latest "Super Profits Tax" that only taxes the resources sector, a sector which pretty much kept this country afloat during the GFC and who already pay hefty royalties. Now, investors are running scared and future mining projects are being halted. Good one Wayne Swan (or is that Goose). And don't get me started on Kevin Kyoto-Copenhagen or the Ginger Ninja. Clowns the lot of them. :banghead
As for a vote for the greens....Might as well flush my ballot form down the toilet...same result. Open your eyes, stop using Chernobyl as an excuse, and start looking at the logic of modern Nuclear Power.
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Labor has stuffed up the country both state and federally. I love the latest "Super Profits Tax" that only taxes the resources sector, a sector which pretty much kept this country afloat during the GFC and who already pay hefty royalties. Now, investors are running scared and future mining projects are being halted. Good one Wayne Swan (or is that Goose). And don't get me started on Kevin Kyoto-Copenhagen or the Ginger Ninja. Clowns the lot of them. :banghead
As for a vote for the greens....Might as well flush my ballot form down the toilet...same result. Open your eyes, stop using Chernobyl as an excuse, and start looking at the logic of modern Nuclear Power.
Fantastic post tiga, I have just finished, well temporarily after 25 years in mining and mate people do not realise the impact of this 40% tax. It will kill this country and many lives.
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The mining giants may baulk and carry on at the moment but at the end of the day they will suck it and absorb it. The extra costs and dangers of running mining operations in many other countries will still make Australia an attractive investment option.
If they do decide to leave our resources in the ground a little longer, then these resources will only become more valuable over time. The worlds resources are finite and as they diminish in volume those left behind become more valuable.
This super tax proposal is only part of a wider range of changes to the tax system, as recommended by the Henry Report, that is meant to reduce the tax burden on the rest of us.
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Labor has stuffed up the country both state and federally. I love the latest "Super Profits Tax" that only taxes the resources sector, a sector which pretty much kept this country afloat during the GFC and who already pay hefty royalties. Now, investors are running scared and future mining projects are being halted. Good one Wayne Swan (or is that Goose). And don't get me started on Kevin Kyoto-Copenhagen or the Ginger Ninja. Clowns the lot of them. :banghead
As for a vote for the greens....Might as well flush my ballot form down the toilet...same result. Open your eyes, stop using Chernobyl as an excuse, and start looking at the logic of modern Nuclear Power.
Fantastic post tiga, I have just finished, well temporarily after 25 years in mining and mate people do not realise the impact of this 40% tax. It will kill this country and many lives.
Sooo true WAT. Mining is this country's lifeblood and to have companies like Moody's forcasting a downgrading in our credit rating because of this tax alone speaks volumes. Also because of this tax we will immediately lose our competitive advantage on the world resources market for our existing offerings. Countries like Brazil will be laughing all the way to the bank!!
There are now no window seats available on the hand basket to hell!! :banghead
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The mining giants may baulk and carry on at the moment but at the end of the day they will suck it and absorb it.
At whose cost? At the cost of a couple of workers that puts more pressure on the workers that leads to shortcuts to get the job done and extra pressure that may lead to accidents?
The extra costs and dangers of running mining operations in many other countries will still make Australia an attractive investment option.
Compared to which contries? The big wigs care about reputation and efficiency. Mining operations pretty well do what they want in some countries, particularly Africa and Asia. Australia would be one of the most costly regions for operations I would think.
If they do decide to leave our resources in the ground a little longer, then these resources will only become more valuable over time. The worlds resources are finite and as they diminish in volume those left behind become more valuable.
It's not bad logic but it's still a kick in the pants for current mining workers who will be wondering about the longevity of their jobs.
This super tax proposal is only part of a wider range of changes to the tax system, as recommended by the Henry Report, that is meant to reduce the tax burden on the rest of us.
But will it equal tax relief for the average Joe, really?
THat all said I don't pretend to be an expert, these are my impressions from someone who has never worked at a mine.
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al, don't get me started on the Henry report. Overall a very good report but the super profits tax recommendation was one of the few that I disagreed with. Why did the government choose to ignore the majority of the very worthy recommendations?? Because they are clueless...totally clueless. They saw the SPT as an express lane cash cow to reduce the deficit by 3 years but bugger the side effects!!! From memory they government only went for 3 of the recommendations. Sure made a smart man like Henry look like a complete fool.
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Labor has stuffed up the country both state and federally. I love the latest "Super Profits Tax" that only taxes the resources sector, a sector which pretty much kept this country afloat during the GFC and who already pay hefty royalties. Now, investors are running scared and future mining projects are being halted. Good one Wayne Swan (or is that Goose). And don't get me started on Kevin Kyoto-Copenhagen or the Ginger Ninja. Clowns the lot of them. :banghead
As for a vote for the greens....Might as well flush my ballot form down the toilet...same result. Open your eyes, stop using Chernobyl as an excuse, and start looking at the logic of modern Nuclear Power.
The genuine argument against this is that a lot of peoples superannuation is sunk into these industries, hitting it with taxes will slow the super down, including mine. However, there are other issues at stake that are not being talked about. The fact is that the resources sector needs to be slowed down a tad for a few reasons. Flogging our national resources to Communist China that is in the middle of a massive military modernisation / expansion program. There is also the issue of foreign investment. Basically China is determined to gain controlling interests in mining operations in one company or other. They failed the first time because of conflict of interests but they will try again via proxies. Mega taxes will ensure there is no escape from paying for our resources.
Regarding Chernobyl Population was around 50,000, city uninhabitable for six hundred years.... effects felt across a huge area, pretty good excuse imo. Despite that, they have a massive problem storing all the crap left over from Nuclear power plants. They were trying to dump it on Australia for a while but we said no, they have basically got no where to put it and it has a half life of forever and is as toxic as the contents of my kitty litter tray. Politicians in the country are in bed with Coal so we won't see Nuclear or alternative energy in a big way anyway. For some reason our elected representatives don't do what we want them to.
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TERRY WALLETT = HAWTHORN SUPPORTER = STUFF UP RICHMOND = LABOUR = HE CAN SUCK MY DICK
Therefore Mr Tigra = POOFTER ?? :P ;)
Just don't tell Aka, he doesn't want to know. :rollin
TA,
Twas speaking mataphorically.
I aint no Hawthorn supporter neither :P
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TERRY WALLETT = HAWTHORN SUPPORTER = STUFF UP RICHMOND = LABOUR = HE CAN SUCK MY DICK
Therefore Mr Tigra = POOFTER ?? :P ;)
Just don't tell Aka, he doesn't want to know. :rollin
TA,
Twas speaking mataphorically.
I aint no Hawthorn supporter neither :P
You can't spell it and you obviously don't know what it means.
'65 (part time grammar NAZI)
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TERRY WALLETT = HAWTHORN SUPPORTER = STUFF UP RICHMOND = LABOUR = HE CAN SUCK MY DICK
Therefore Mr Tigra = POOFTER ?? :P ;)
Just don't tell Aka, he doesn't want to know. :rollin
TA,
Twas speaking mataphorically.
I aint no Hawthorn supporter neither :P
You can't spell it and you obviously don't know what it means.
'65 (part time grammar NAZI)
metaphor definition meta·phor (met′ə fôr′)
noun
a figure of speech containing an implied comparison, in which a word or phrase ordinarily and primarily used of one thing is applied to another (Ex.: the curtain of night, “all the world's a stage”)
Origin: Fr métaphore < L metaphora < Gr < metapherein, to carry over < meta, over (see meta-) + pherein, to bear
Related Forms:
•metaphoric met′a·phor′ic adjective or metaphorical met′a·phor′i·cal
•metaphorically met′a·phor′i·cally adverbhttp://www.yourdictionary.com/metaphorically (http://www.yourdictionary.com/metaphorically)
sorry i missed the e
my bad
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TERRY WALLETT = HAWTHORN SUPPORTER = STUFF UP RICHMOND = LABOUR = HE CAN SUCK MY DICK
Therefore Mr Tigra = POOFTER ?? :P ;)
Just don't tell Aka, he doesn't want to know. :rollin
TA,
Twas speaking mataphorically.
I aint no Hawthorn supporter neither :P
You can't spell it and you obviously don't know what it means.
'65 (part time grammar NAZI)
metaphor definition meta·phor (met′ə fôr′)
noun
a figure of speech containing an implied comparison, in which a word or phrase ordinarily and primarily used of one thing is applied to another (Ex.: the curtain of night, “all the world's a stage”)
Origin: Fr métaphore < L metaphora < Gr < metapherein, to carry over < meta, over (see meta-) + pherein, to bear
Related Forms:
•metaphoric met′a·phor′ic adjective or metaphorical met′a·phor′i·cal
•metaphorically met′a·phor′i·cally adverbhttp://www.yourdictionary.com/metaphorically (http://www.yourdictionary.com/metaphorically)
Fair enough, now explain what the metaphor was.
:thumbsup
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TERRY WALLETT = HAWTHORN SUPPORTER = STUFF UP RICHMOND = LABOUR = HE CAN SUCK MY DICK
Therefore Mr Tigra = POOFTER ?? :P ;)
Just don't tell Aka, he doesn't want to know. :rollin
TA,
Twas speaking mataphorically.
I aint no Hawthorn supporter neither :P
You can't spell it and you obviously don't know what it means.
'65 (part time grammar NAZI)
metaphor definition meta·phor (met′ə fôr′)
noun
a figure of speech containing an implied comparison, in which a word or phrase ordinarily and primarily used of one thing is applied to another (Ex.: the curtain of night, “all the world's a stage”)
Origin: Fr métaphore < L metaphora < Gr < metapherein, to carry over < meta, over (see meta-) + pherein, to bear
Related Forms:
•metaphoric met′a·phor′ic adjective or metaphorical met′a·phor′i·cal
•metaphorically met′a·phor′i·cally adverbhttp://www.yourdictionary.com/metaphorically (http://www.yourdictionary.com/metaphorically)
Fair enough, now explain what the metaphor was.
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he can suck my dick isnt what i meant literally.
just hate the guy.
are you splitting hairs '65?
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TERRY WALLETT = HAWTHORN SUPPORTER = STUFF UP RICHMOND = LABOUR = HE CAN SUCK MY DICK
Therefore Mr Tigra = POOFTER ?? :P ;)
Just don't tell Aka, he doesn't want to know. :rollin
TA,
Twas speaking mataphorically.
I aint no Hawthorn supporter neither :P
You can't spell it and you obviously don't know what it means.
'65 (part time grammar NAZI)
metaphor definition meta·phor (met′ə fôr′)
noun
a figure of speech containing an implied comparison, in which a word or phrase ordinarily and primarily used of one thing is applied to another (Ex.: the curtain of night, “all the world's a stage”)
Origin: Fr métaphore < L metaphora < Gr < metapherein, to carry over < meta, over (see meta-) + pherein, to bear
Related Forms:
•metaphoric met′a·phor′ic adjective or metaphorical met′a·phor′i·cal
•metaphorically met′a·phor′i·cally adverbhttp://www.yourdictionary.com/metaphorically (http://www.yourdictionary.com/metaphorically)
Fair enough, now explain what the metaphor was.
:thumbsup
he can suck my dick isnt what i meant literally.
just hate the guy.
are you splitting hairs '65?
At work waiting for a lift home (just getting bored, sorry)
65
PS You really don't understand what a metaphor is.
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Labor has stuffed up the country both state and federally. I love the latest "Super Profits Tax" that only taxes the resources sector, a sector which pretty much kept this country afloat during the GFC and who already pay hefty royalties. Now, investors are running scared and future mining projects are being halted. Good one Wayne Swan (or is that Goose). And don't get me started on Kevin Kyoto-Copenhagen or the Ginger Ninja. Clowns the lot of them. :banghead
As for a vote for the greens....Might as well flush my ballot form down the toilet...same result. Open your eyes, stop using Chernobyl as an excuse, and start looking at the logic of modern Nuclear Power.
The genuine argument against this is that a lot of peoples superannuation is sunk into these industries, hitting it with taxes will slow the super down, including mine. However, there are other issues at stake that are not being talked about. The fact is that the resources sector needs to be slowed down a tad for a few reasons. Flogging our national resources to Communist China that is in the middle of a massive military modernisation / expansion program. There is also the issue of foreign investment. Basically China is determined to gain controlling interests in mining operations in one company or other. They failed the first time because of conflict of interests but they will try again via proxies. Mega taxes will ensure there is no escape from paying for our resources.
Regarding Chernobyl Population was around 50,000, city uninhabitable for six hundred years.... effects felt across a huge area, pretty good excuse imo. Despite that, they have a massive problem storing all the crap left over from Nuclear power plants. They were trying to dump it on Australia for a while but we said no, they have basically got no where to put it and it has a half life of forever and is as toxic as the contents of my kitty litter tray. Politicians in the country are in bed with Coal so we won't see Nuclear or alternative energy in a big way anyway. For some reason our elected representatives don't do what we want them to.
Owl I referred to modern Nuclear power not "cold war" nuclear power. So much has changed in fact the whole process has changed. waste has been reduced massively and efficiency increased. Take Japan for example, they have over 50 Nuclear power plants built on modern technology and not even a whisper of a meltown. Times have changed. Maybe you need to visit a Nuclear reactor and get in touch with modern methods. I have been to ANSTO for a tour and the information I gathered from that visit was invaluable and really opened my eyes to nuclear power as a genuine alternative to fossil fuels. Its clean, cheap and now undoubtedly SAFE!!
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ok '65
maybe I used the wrong word then.
If I said "You can suck my dick", but I don't mean literally but I literally mean, "You can go and get stuffed".
what is it that I am doing if not speaking metaphorically?
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The mining giants may baulk and carry on at the moment but at the end of the day they will suck it and absorb it.
At whose cost? At the cost of a couple of workers that puts more pressure on the workers that leads to shortcuts to get the job done and extra pressure that may lead to accidents?
Most probably at the cost of shareholders. In Australia miners are pretty heavily regulated in terms of OH&S, plus the unions still seem to have some clout, so I doubt it will be at the expense of on site numbers
The extra costs and dangers of running mining operations in many other countries will still make Australia an attractive investment option.
Compared to which contries? The big wigs care about reputation and efficiency. Mining operations pretty well do what they want in some countries, particularly Africa and Asia. Australia would be one of the most costly regions for operations I would think.
Yet they still heavily invest here. the one thing where we have a huge advantage is politcal stability.
As you point to, in many countries things such as wages and royalities are lower as is the value of the currency, which makes exporting much more appealing, and politicians are much easier bribed, yet these companies still invest heavily in Australia. Perhaps you could argue that this will be straw that breaks the camels back, but I doubt it
If they do decide to leave our resources in the ground a little longer, then these resources will only become more valuable over time. The worlds resources are finite and as they diminish in volume those left behind become more valuable.
It's not bad logic but it's still a kick in the pants for current mining workers who will be wondering about the longevity of their jobs. Pretty sure I heard that the tax will not apply to current ventures, so no jobs should be lost.
This super tax proposal is only part of a wider range of changes to the tax system, as recommended by the Henry Report, that is meant to reduce the tax burden on the rest of us.
But will it equal tax relief for the average Joe, really?
Good question, which is why i used the term 'meant to'. One of the other elements is a cut to the company tax rate. The reality is that this will probably just increase the profits for larger business without any real price drops, but it will still benefit a lot of small businesses, as there are quite a number that are actually a company rather that a sole trader.
The other aspect to this is will it prevent a tax hike somewhere else? Sadly that can probably never be quantified one way or the other.
THat all said I don't pretend to be an expert, these are my impressions from someone who has never worked at a mine.
Tiga, it is disconcerting that they only adopt part of the review. Politicians just love to cherry pick. Like the govt dismissing out of hand the study that has shown there has been no decrease in sales of "unhealthy" items or increase in sales of "healthy" items at community stores and therefore welfare quarantining is not working.
All governments do this sort of poo, and the problem is that when it happens a large number of people ignore it because it's their side, and another large group of people want to jump up and down and make a scene because it gives them a chance to bag the other side. When the government changes the roles reverse.
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Labor has stuffed up the country both state and federally. I love the latest "Super Profits Tax" that only taxes the resources sector, a sector which pretty much kept this country afloat during the GFC and who already pay hefty royalties. Now, investors are running scared and future mining projects are being halted. Good one Wayne Swan (or is that Goose). And don't get me started on Kevin Kyoto-Copenhagen or the Ginger Ninja. Clowns the lot of them. :banghead
As for a vote for the greens....Might as well flush my ballot form down the toilet...same result. Open your eyes, stop using Chernobyl as an excuse, and start looking at the logic of modern Nuclear Power.
The genuine argument against this is that a lot of peoples superannuation is sunk into these industries, hitting it with taxes will slow the super down, including mine. However, there are other issues at stake that are not being talked about. The fact is that the resources sector needs to be slowed down a tad for a few reasons. Flogging our national resources to Communist China that is in the middle of a massive military modernisation / expansion program. There is also the issue of foreign investment. Basically China is determined to gain controlling interests in mining operations in one company or other. They failed the first time because of conflict of interests but they will try again via proxies. Mega taxes will ensure there is no escape from paying for our resources.
Regarding Chernobyl Population was around 50,000, city uninhabitable for six hundred years.... effects felt across a huge area, pretty good excuse imo. Despite that, they have a massive problem storing all the crap left over from Nuclear power plants. They were trying to dump it on Australia for a while but we said no, they have basically got no where to put it and it has a half life of forever and is as toxic as the contents of my kitty litter tray. Politicians in the country are in bed with Coal so we won't see Nuclear or alternative energy in a big way anyway. For some reason our elected representatives don't do what we want them to.
Owl I referred to modern Nuclear power not "cold war" nuclear power. So much has changed in fact the whole process has changed. waste has been reduced massively and efficiency increased. Take Japan for example, they have over 50 Nuclear power plants built on modern technology and not even a whisper of a meltown. Times have changed. Maybe you need to visit a Nuclear reactor and get in touch with modern methods. I have been to ANSTO for a tour and the information I gathered from that visit was invaluable and really opened my eyes to nuclear power as a genuine alternative to fossil fuels. Its clean, cheap and now undoubtedly SAFE!!
Granted Chernobyl was a pre-1980 soviet design but three mile island was a western design with fail safes.
They have definately improved the technology but there is still nasty waste, though reduced. Some of the stuff they are working on now like the Caeser and thorium reactors look impressive. Gen V stuff is sci fi but wow if they can get it going...sign me up and call me glowy
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sorry i missed the e
by the quality of your posting I thought you'd taken one.:)
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The mining giants may baulk and carry on at the moment but at the end of the day they will suck it and absorb it. The extra costs and dangers of running mining operations in many other countries will still make Australia an attractive investment option.
If they do decide to leave our resources in the ground a little longer, then these resources will only become more valuable over time. The worlds resources are finite and as they diminish in volume those left behind become more valuable.
This super tax proposal is only part of a wider range of changes to the tax system, as recommended by the Henry Report, that is meant to reduce the tax burden on the rest of us.
Sorry Al I can not agree with your comments saying the Mining Giants will suck it up, Rio Tinto (who I worked for) have just pulled the plug on an 11.2 Billion Dollar upgrade of their Brockman 4 Mine in the Pilbara, as has Andrew Forest and another Queensland Billion Dollar company. I can tell you mate they will not just suck it and absorb it, they do not work like that.
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Tigra, yr speaking figuratively, not metaphorically. And rather rudely too.
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That tax is only a pipe dream atm it still has to get through the cockblocked senate. So if Rio Tinto have put the kaibosh on something it must be for other reasons smells of shop stewards calling strike basically. The irony is delicious. My old man mined iron ore near Dampier for years, think it was Tom Price. I wonder what will happen to us when all our resources are gone offshore? No manufacturing, no resources, nothing else going for us, I would say we would be bout stuffed. Not even the goods to recycle lol.
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That tax is only a pipe dream atm it still has to get through the cockblocked senate. So if Rio Tinto have put the kaibosh on something it must be for other reasons smells of shop stewards calling strike basically. The irony is delicious. My old man mined iron ore near Dampier for years, think it was Tom Price. I wonder what will happen to us when all our resources are gone offshore? No manufacturing, no resources, nothing else going for us, I would say we would be bout stuffed. Not even the goods to recycle lol.
Owl, Brockman 4 was all go, I was there as well as all other Rio Tinto sites throughout the Pilbara, as well as that Unions are no longer a part of Mining over here as they are in the East (Queenslad in particular). There are about 3-4 unionised members on each Rio site and they say nothing, it's not like it was in the 80's & 90's.
I was based in Paraburdoo which is 80kmh from Tom Price, No Unions here anymore mate. They pulled out (of the expansions) because of the proposed tax and I can tell you a lot lot lot of jobs will be lost if the tax is passed.
Off shore companies are now rubbing their dirty little hands together because they can now force the price of Iron Ore down in China and in turn sell more of their crap off. Rio, BHP, FMG and the like up until this point in time have controlled Iron Ore prices world wide and that is why this Country has flourished..... watch what happens if the tax comes in.
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Unfortunately, many of those who did are not yet old enough to have experienced the wanton destruction associated with those type of governments throughout our history. They are learning their lesson as we speak.
Through my love of Australian history and my own research I would argue strongly that the greatest Prime Minister this country IMHO has ever had came from the Labour side of politics not the Liberals
His name = JOHN CURTAIN.
Simply a brillant & great man IMHO.
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Unfortunately, many of those who did are not yet old enough to have experienced the wanton destruction associated with those type of governments throughout our history. They are learning their lesson as we speak.
Through my love of Australian history and my own research I would argue strongly that the greatest Prime Minister this country IMHO has ever had came from the Labour side of politics not the Liberals
His name = JOHN CURTAIN.
Simply a brillant & great man IMHO.
Gough Whitlam too! Establishing the no fault fault divorce law, family law court, medicare, free tertiary education etc! A man well and truly before his time!
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The mining giants may baulk and carry on at the moment but at the end of the day they will suck it and absorb it. The extra costs and dangers of running mining operations in many other countries will still make Australia an attractive investment option.
If they do decide to leave our resources in the ground a little longer, then these resources will only become more valuable over time. The worlds resources are finite and as they diminish in volume those left behind become more valuable.
This super tax proposal is only part of a wider range of changes to the tax system, as recommended by the Henry Report, that is meant to reduce the tax burden on the rest of us.
Sorry Al I can not agree with your comments saying the Mining Giants will suck it up, Rio Tinto (who I worked for) have just pulled the plug on an 11.2 Billion Dollar upgrade of their Brockman 4 Mine in the Pilbara, as has Andrew Forest and another Queensland Billion Dollar company. I can tell you mate they will not just suck it and absorb it, they do not work like that.
I think we will all find that the mining giants are not pulling the pin on new projects due to the new tax but more so because of the financial crisis in Greece and Spain. It is thought by many economist to have the potential to cause a financial crisis worse than the last one! That is why the resources shares are losing value, not just in Australia, but world wide!
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The mining giants may baulk and carry on at the moment but at the end of the day they will suck it and absorb it. The extra costs and dangers of running mining operations in many other countries will still make Australia an attractive investment option.
If they do decide to leave our resources in the ground a little longer, then these resources will only become more valuable over time. The worlds resources are finite and as they diminish in volume those left behind become more valuable.
This super tax proposal is only part of a wider range of changes to the tax system, as recommended by the Henry Report, that is meant to reduce the tax burden on the rest of us.
Sorry Al I can not agree with your comments saying the Mining Giants will suck it up, Rio Tinto (who I worked for) have just pulled the plug on an 11.2 Billion Dollar upgrade of their Brockman 4 Mine in the Pilbara, as has Andrew Forest and another Queensland Billion Dollar company. I can tell you mate they will not just suck it and absorb it, they do not work like that.
I think we will all find that the mining giants are not pulling the pin on new projects due to the new tax but more so because of the financial crisis in Greece and Spain. It is thought by many economist to have the potential to cause a financial crisis worse than the last one! That is why the resources shares are losing value, not just in Australia, but world wide!
No GR12 sorry but not true, I havent even been out a year and I still communicate with many friends and work associates throughout mining. I can assure the financial crisis is over in mining, it just hasn't been a big as issue as when the down turn occured.
At Christmas time last year I was instructed to lay off 15 contract personnel as the global crisis was about to or was occuring, directly after Christmas in less than 2 weeks I was instructed to employ 16 contract employees and it has never ramped down. What people dont understand is that within the Pilbara we have the best crap (so to speak) Iron Ore in the world, we can combine that product with top grade Iron Ore from our other Pilbara deposits to come out with the best grade for export that is mixed with other Ore from around the word that in turn goes even further. In short, our ore is just about the highest demanded ore in the world.
The mining giants are not stupid, they are biding their time, but that time will never come if the 40% tax comes in.
But believe what you will, all I am trying to say is that I have jsut lived it for 25 years.. :thumbsup
P.S we used to have a laugh at what the so called econimists were saying, because most of the time nothing they said happened.
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Through my love of Australian history and my own research I would argue strongly that the greatest Prime Minister this country IMHO has ever had came from the Labour side of politics not the Liberals
His name = JOHN CURTAIN.
Simply a brillant & great man IMHO.
A man for the moment WP, nothing more, nothing less. Wartime politics transcended left vs right more than at any other time in our history and for all his leftist background and sympathies, his Achilles heel during the war were his own unions.
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Unfortunately, many of those who did are not yet old enough to have experienced the wanton destruction associated with those type of governments throughout our history. They are learning their lesson as we speak.
Through my love of Australian history and my own research I would argue strongly that the greatest Prime Minister this country IMHO has ever had came from the Labour side of politics not the Liberals
His name = JOHN CURTAIN.
Simply a brillant & great man IMHO.
great post.
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Australian mining companies have never had it so good as they did when their cheersquad the Liberal Party was in charge. The good times can't last forever, everyone with even a basic education in economics would know this. So it is time that the industry was looked at.
Rio posted a 33% increase in profit (of nearly $5billion!) last year. BHP posted a $6.5 billion profit in the last 6 months of 2009 alone.
Nearly half of this profit is taken directly off shore, how exactly does that benefit Australia?
I'm all for it, in fact I don't think it goes far enough.
Rio Tinto (who I worked for) have just pulled the plug on an 11.2 Billion Dollar upgrade of their Brockman 4 Mine in the Pilbara, as has Andrew Forest and another Queensland Billion Dollar company. .
WAT I think these are just idle threats being made by the mining bosses to try and scare Canberra. And going by the full page ads placed by them in the age and the hun today it looks like they are trying on the scare campaign to the general public.
I can tell you mate they will not just suck it and absorb it, they do not work like that
Spot on WAT
This tax is an impost on the wealthy, but unfortunately it is them who will make everyone else pay for it, in the form of charging higher rates for it's minerals, sacking innocent workers and paying the existing ones less.
Because there is no way known that these fatcats are gunna let these commo bastards steal what's rightfully theirs!
makes Australia da
sorry i missed the e
by the quality of your posting I thought you'd taken one.:)
Post of the year so far
To all of you Andrew Bolt loving, SUV driving, stockmarket watching wannabes on OER, who probably stand to lose a couple of dollars off the value of their portfolio/super fund, I salute you for your greed and ignorance. In fact I would like to apologise for being a mere worker on award wages, I must be such a drain on you all for asking for a 3% pay rise each year. Maybe I can cut back on some things and accept the 2.5% offer instead ::)
DallasCrane
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Gough Whitlam too! Establishing the no fault fault divorce law, family law court, medicare, free tertiary education etc! A man well and truly before his time!
Please GR12! He was the greatest loose cannon our country has ever had as Prime Minister. All action and no thought - not the way I want my country governed, regardless of political persuasion.
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Australian mining companies have never had it so good as they did when their cheersquad the Liberal Party was in charge. The good times can't last forever, everyone with even a basic education in economics would know this. So it is time that the industry was looked at.
Rio posted a 33% increase in profit (of nearly $5billion!) last year. BHP posted a $6.5 billion profit in the last 6 months of 2009 alone.
Nearly half of this profit is taken directly off shore, how exactly does that benefit Australia?
I'm all for it, in fact I don't think it goes far enough.
Rio Tinto (who I worked for) have just pulled the plug on an 11.2 Billion Dollar upgrade of their Brockman 4 Mine in the Pilbara, as has Andrew Forest and another Queensland Billion Dollar company. .
WAT I think these are just idle threats being made by the mining bosses to try and scare Canberra. And going by the full page ads placed by them in the age and the hun today it looks like they are trying on the scare campaign to the general public.
I can tell you mate they will not just suck it and absorb it, they do not work like that
Spot on WAT
This tax is an impost on the wealthy, but unfortunately it is them who will make everyone else pay for it, in the form of charging higher rates for it's minerals, sacking innocent workers and paying the existing ones less.
Because there is no way known that these fatcats are gunna let these commo bastards steal what's rightfully theirs!
Forget the percentages of profit or where the profit goes, I will tell you that the jobs created by mining companies benifit this Country and that will dry up, in turn housing development and first home buyers will suffer, families will suffer. Business outside of mining that miners support will suffer. Aboriginal employment and development will suffer. You need to be in it to see the way mining companies support communities and employees. It's a massive snowball that could potentially roll over this Country. Most of our comodities and resources go off shore and then are re-sold to us, so I don't think focusing on Mining alone is the way to go.
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I agree, the banks should be next. They haven't even got a leg to stand on.
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I agree, the banks should be next. They haven't even got a leg to stand on.
Gee don't even get me started on banks....I..... please don't get me going... :thumbsup
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Australian mining companies have never had it so good as they did when their cheersquad the Liberal Party was in charge. The good times can't last forever, everyone with even a basic education in economics would know this.
Anyone with a substantially less than basic education in economics would also know that the way to deal with an economic crisis is not to splash out and spend your hard-earned savings in one fell swoop and expose yourself to the influences and vagaries of every other 2-bit economy in the world. If our government had managed our country's savings prudently 18 months ago then they would have no need to consider imposing such a debilitating and worker-unfriendly tax.
So it is time that the industry was looked at.
Rio posted a 33% increase in profit (of nearly $5billion!) last year. BHP posted a $6.5 billion profit in the last 6 months of 2009 alone.
Nearly half of this profit is taken directly off shore, how exactly does that benefit Australia?
I'm all for it, in fact I don't think it goes far enough.
Do you have any idea how much capital investment it takes to produce this type of profit? Where do you think all the flow on from the billions and billions of dollars spent earning this profit goes? Into the pockets of everyday workers like yourself though all the infrastructure expenditure needed to support the industry, all over the country. You should be very mindful of the wise old adage regarding biting the hand of the one that feeds you.
Rio Tinto (who I worked for) have just pulled the plug on an 11.2 Billion Dollar upgrade of their Brockman 4 Mine in the Pilbara, as has Andrew Forest and another Queensland Billion Dollar company. .
WAT I think these are just idle threats being made by the mining bosses to try and scare Canberra. And going by the full page ads placed by them in the age and the hun today it looks like they are trying on the scare campaign to the general public.
Nope, they will close a mine down as quick as you can snap your fingers. My son works in a mine in the NT and they closed it down almost overnight for nearly 12 months recently because the price of resources dropped below their acceptable margin. Don't kid yourself, they will only play bluff to a certain point. After that it's every man for himself and it costs them a pittance to leave their 'gold' in the ground, it ain't going anywhere and they will just bide their time......dare I say it.....until a new government comes in?
This tax is an impost on the wealthy, but unfortunately it is them who will make everyone else pay for it, in the form of charging higher rates for it's minerals, sacking innocent workers and paying the existing ones less.
Because there is no way known that these fatcats are gunna let these commo bastards steal what's rightfully theirs!
What a cliche, so Neanderthal it's funny. I suppose they will use some of their mega-wealth to pay someone (on under award wages of course) to check the underneath of their beds for commies each night. :lol
Post of the year so far
To all of you Andrew Bolt loving, SUV driving, stockmarket watching wannabes on OER, who probably stand to lose a couple of dollars off the value of their portfolio/super fund, I salute you for your greed and ignorance. In fact I would like to apologise for being a mere worker on award wages, I must be such a drain on you all for asking for a 3% pay rise each year. Maybe I can cut back on some things and accept the 2.5% offer instead ::)
DallasCrane
I also work for a wage that I negotiated individually with my employer and both parties are happy with the arrangement. And I refuse to tow any union-driven party line that directs me to accept conditions that support lazy sloths in my company and industry that bludge on the hard work of others. And I will go to my boss to ask for a rise that I think is fair when I think its time. And I don't own a car, or own shares, or even have a super portfolio that would support me for a year, let alone a lifetime. So don't trot out your soapbox of the ages and proclaim it's the rich industrialist world against us workers - it's dated, it's irrelevant and it's demeaning to you as an adult capable of choices - free and individual thought.
And as for Andrew Bolt? He has only ever worked for one political party in this country - I'll leave it to you to guess which one.
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Australian mining companies have never had it so good as they did when their cheersquad the Liberal Party was in charge. The good times can't last forever, everyone with even a basic education in economics would know this. So it is time that the industry was looked at.
Rio posted a 33% increase in profit (of nearly $5billion!) last year. BHP posted a $6.5 billion profit in the last 6 months of 2009 alone.
Nearly half of this profit is taken directly off shore, how exactly does that benefit Australia?
I'm all for it, in fact I don't think it goes far enough.
Rio Tinto (who I worked for) have just pulled the plug on an 11.2 Billion Dollar upgrade of their Brockman 4 Mine in the Pilbara, as has Andrew Forest and another Queensland Billion Dollar company. .
WAT I think these are just idle threats being made by the mining bosses to try and scare Canberra. And going by the full page ads placed by them in the age and the hun today it looks like they are trying on the scare campaign to the general public.
I can tell you mate they will not just suck it and absorb it, they do not work like that
Spot on WAT
This tax is an impost on the wealthy, but unfortunately it is them who will make everyone else pay for it, in the form of charging higher rates for it's minerals, sacking innocent workers and paying the existing ones less.
Because there is no way known that these fatcats are gunna let these commo bastards steal what's rightfully theirs!
makes Australia da
sorry i missed the e
by the quality of your posting I thought you'd taken one.:)
Post of the year so far
To all of you Andrew Bolt loving, SUV driving, stockmarket watching wannabes on OER, who probably stand to lose a couple of dollars off the value of their portfolio/super fund, I salute you for your greed and ignorance. In fact I would like to apologise for being a mere worker on award wages, I must be such a drain on you all for asking for a 3% pay rise each year. Maybe I can cut back on some things and accept the 2.5% offer instead ::)
DallasCrane
LOL Andrew Bolt now there's a prick who can do with some hot grease in his lap. Good post Dallas. You can't walk past those profits going offshore.
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"Nope, they will close a mine down as quick as you can snap your fingers. My son works in a mine in the NT and they closed it down almost overnight for nearly 12 months recently because the price of resources dropped below their acceptable margin. Don't kid yourself, they will only play bluff to a certain point. After that it's every man for himself and it costs them a pittance to leave their 'gold' in the ground, it ain't going anywhere and they will just bide their time......dare I say it.....until a new government comes in?"
DEAD RIGHT SMOKEY, when you are in it like your son you understand it a lot more, great post!!
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Through my love of Australian history and my own research I would argue strongly that the greatest Prime Minister this country IMHO has ever had came from the Labour side of politics not the Liberals
His name = JOHN CURTAIN.
Simply a brillant & great man IMHO.
A man for the moment WP, nothing more, nothing less. Wartime politics transcended left vs right more than at any other time in our history and for all his leftist background and sympathies, his Achilles heel during the war were his own unions.
I have to disagree smokey.
Firstly, I don't buy this constant inference regarding Labor Govts & Unions. It seems every Labor government in history at every level of government has this "union control/interference" issue thrown up. Granted in some cases it is and has been justified but on other occasions it seems to be something put up simply because it makes "good copy" and the opposition of the day has no credible policies of its own. For example in Victoria in the 1980's who was the government of the day that de-registered the thug Union the BFL? As I said in some cases the inference is justified but I don’t believe it is reasonable to apply it to all Labor Govts.
Back to Curtain: I think he was more than a man for the moment. Why?
There are a couple of reasons for mine. I don’t think anyone should underestimate the mess he inherited from the previous government. That mess in a way resulted in a country that was lost and looking for leadership and hope. He managed to bring this country back together as one. I think also the fact that he was prepared to say “no” to England and Churchill shows that he was a leader as opposed to a follower. And I don’t think we can ever undervalue his contribution to this country’s relationship to the USA. His decision to approach the Yanks when the Japanese were threatening should not be lost on anyone.
When I was younger and I was on my Australian History study/research kick I used to sit down with my Mum and talk about the depression and WW2. I also had similar conversations with her older brother. What is interesting from those conversations is that my Uncle who is a staunch Liberal voter (my Mother was the complete opposite and was a lifetime Labor voter) said to me that in his opinion Curtain was the best Prime Minster this country has ever had without question.
I don’t have much time for politicians on either side of the politic fence to be honest. Actaully as I get older I have less respect for them because none of them seem to be willing to actually make a tough decision, rather they seem to spend most of their time finger pointing and complaining
But the exception for me is and has always been John Curtain. I have a helluva lot of time and respect for him. As I said brilliant & great man
There was a doco/movie made for the ABC a couple of years back about Curtain – aprt from being very well made it is a good history leasson :thumbsup
Finally, the discussion going on through this thread has been sensational - no name calling, sniping jsut great debating . Well done all :bow :clapping :clapping
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Through my love of Australian history and my own research I would argue strongly that the greatest Prime Minister this country IMHO has ever had came from the Labour side of politics not the Liberals
His name = JOHN CURTAIN.
Simply a brillant & great man IMHO.
A man for the moment WP, nothing more, nothing less. Wartime politics transcended left vs right more than at any other time in our history and for all his leftist background and sympathies, his Achilles heel during the war were his own unions.
I have to disagree smokey.
Firstly, I don't buy this constant inference regarding Labor Govts & Unions. It seems every Labor government in history at every level of government has this "union control/interference" issue thrown up. Granted in some cases it is and has been justified but on other occasions it seems to be something put up simply because it makes "good copy" and the opposition of the day has no credible policies of its own. For example in Victoria in the 1980's who was the government of the day that de-registered the thug Union the BFL? As I said in some cases the inference is justified but I don’t believe it is reasonable to apply it to all Labor Govts.
Back to Curtain: I think he was more than a man for the moment. Why?
There are a couple of reasons for mine. I don’t think anyone should underestimate the mess he inherited from the previous government. That mess in a way resulted in a country that was lost and looking for leadership and hope. He managed to bring this country back together as one. I think also the fact that he was prepared to say “no” to England and Churchill shows that he was a leader as opposed to a follower. And I don’t think we can ever undervalue his contribution to this country’s relationship to the USA. His decision to approach the Yanks when the Japanese were threatening should not be lost on anyone.
When I was younger and I was on my Australian History study/research kick I used to sit down with my Mum and talk about the depression and WW2. I also had similar conversations with her older brother. What is interesting from those conversations is that my Uncle who is a staunch Liberal voter (my Mother was the complete opposite and was a lifetime Labor voter) said to me that in his opinion Curtain was the best Prime Minster this country has ever had without question.
I don’t have much time for politicians on either side of the politic fence to be honest. Actaully as I get older I have less respect for them because none of them seem to be willing to actually make a tough decision, rather they seem to spend most of their time finger pointing and complaining
But the exception for me is and has always been John Curtain. I have a helluva lot of time and respect for him. As I said brilliant & great man
There was a doco/movie made for the ABC a couple of years back about Curtain – aprt from being very well made it is a good history leasson :thumbsup
Finally, the discussion going on through this thread has been sensational - no name calling, sniping jsut great debating . Well done all :bow :clapping :clapping
Isn't it just, very good, great points of view from all!! :clapping. Sounds like you are a real Political History buff WP, good on you.
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If Victoria vote that idiot Bracks back in to power later this year I may have to move
Looks like you'll have to stay. He resigned in 2007.
I can't believe I did that, I even thought to myself "don't put down Bracks' name, you'll look like a idiot if you do"
The fact I thought of his name probably made me type it out
:wallywink :wallywink :wallywink
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A man for the moment WP, nothing more, nothing less. Wartime politics transcended left vs right more than at any other time in our history and for all his leftist background and sympathies, his Achilles heel during the war were his own unions.
I have to disagree smokey.
Firstly, I don't buy this constant inference regarding Labor Govts & Unions. It seems every Labor government in history at every level of government has this "union control/interference" issue thrown up. Granted in some cases it is and has been justified but on other occasions it seems to be something put up simply because it makes "good copy" and the opposition of the day has no credible policies of its own. For example in Victoria in the 1980's who was the government of the day that de-registered the thug Union the BFL? As I said in some cases the inference is justified but I don’t believe it is reasonable to apply it to all Labor Govts.
Back to Curtain: I think he was more than a man for the moment. Why?
There are a couple of reasons for mine. I don’t think anyone should underestimate the mess he inherited from the previous government. That mess in a way resulted in a country that was lost and looking for leadership and hope. He managed to bring this country back together as one. I think also the fact that he was prepared to say “no” to England and Churchill shows that he was a leader as opposed to a follower. And I don’t think we can ever undervalue his contribution to this country’s relationship to the USA. His decision to approach the Yanks when the Japanese were threatening should not be lost on anyone.
When I was younger and I was on my Australian History study/research kick I used to sit down with my Mum and talk about the depression and WW2. I also had similar conversations with her older brother. What is interesting from those conversations is that my Uncle who is a staunch Liberal voter (my Mother was the complete opposite and was a lifetime Labor voter) said to me that in his opinion Curtain was the best Prime Minster this country has ever had without question.
I don’t have much time for politicians on either side of the politic fence to be honest. Actaully as I get older I have less respect for them because none of them seem to be willing to actually make a tough decision, rather they seem to spend most of their time finger pointing and complaining
But the exception for me is and has always been John Curtain. I have a helluva lot of time and respect for him. As I said brilliant & great man
There was a doco/movie made for the ABC a couple of years back about Curtain – aprt from being very well made it is a good history leasson :thumbsup
Finally, the discussion going on through this thread has been sensational - no name calling, sniping jsut great debating . Well done all :bow :clapping :clapping
I stick by my opinion WP - he was the a man for the moment, nothing more, nothing less. He was the right man to lead us through WWII, even though the stresses of it killed him before the war's end, and he did a fine job of that while he was alive. He stood up to the British government as much as he could and as you say, sought the help of the US when we stood to be left high and dry after England's promises to it's allies turned to dust - yet again. But up until the war he as was a non-descript politician who was not comfortable in the limelight and who had little or no impact on our country as a leader of vision or strength. Just like the shy and mild-mannered clerk can step up in times of severe adversity like war and become a VC winner, then just as quietly fade away at war's end, so Curtin stepped up in our hour of need and made the right decisions to lead us through the war - a man for the moment.
As for his Achilles heel being the unions? Sadly, when he turned to his fellow countrymen for support in those most trying of times it wasn't big business that let him down, it wasn't housewives that let him down, it was the unions who continued to call strikes in support of their own selfish agenda that prevented this country supporting it's troops as best it could, the same unions that he had been a leader of in his younger days and the same unions that supplied the very very large percentage of Labor politicians in those days. My inference? It's not an inference, it's a firm belief garnered over the years of my life from watching politics with a largely apolitical bent. I have voted for both sides of politics in my time - even the Democrats at some point - but I know a spade when I'm looking at a spade, and the Labor party has a measure of influence over the unions that the Liberals and others will never have, and did so much more back in the mid 1900's. They let him down badly in the war and as a student of this period in our history you should know that only too well - Curtin's continual frustrations with, and laments over, his union 'mates' are a sad byplay to the last years of his life.
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Fair enough smokey - we will agree that we have differing opinions :thumbsup
And just on my comment about "the inference". I wasn't talking about it being "your inference" I was refering the "general inference" regaridng Labor Govts & Unions. Sorry if I didn't make that clear
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Fair enough smokey - we will agree that we have differing opinions :thumbsup
And just on my comment about "the inference". I wasn't talking about it being "your inference" I was refering the "general inference" regaridng Labor Govts & Unions. Sorry if I didn't make that clear
No worries WP. As you mentioned earlier - I can't believe the forum has debated this vexed topic so well - it's been very enjoyable to read, regardless of the differing opinions. And on Curtin, I'm not talking down the impact or importance of his role in our war effort - the saying "cometh the hour, cometh the man" could not be applied more aptly here. I just think we have had a few great leaders in our country in it's short history and he does not stand above the others to me, more that he stands beside them. :thumbsup
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Through my love of Australian history and my own research I would argue strongly that the greatest Prime Minister this country IMHO has ever had came from the Labour side of politics not the Liberals
His name = JOHN CURTAIN.
Simply a brillant & great man IMHO.
A man for the moment WP, nothing more, nothing less. Wartime politics transcended left vs right more than at any other time in our history and for all his leftist background and sympathies, his Achilles heel during the war were his own unions.
I have to disagree smokey.
Firstly, I don't buy this constant inference regarding Labor Govts & Unions. It seems every Labor government in history at every level of government has this "union control/interference" issue thrown up. Granted in some cases it is and has been justified but on other occasions it seems to be something put up simply because it makes "good copy" and the opposition of the day has no credible policies of its own. For example in Victoria in the 1980's who was the government of the day that de-registered the thug Union the BFL? As I said in some cases the inference is justified but I don’t believe it is reasonable to apply it to all Labor Govts.
Back to Curtain: I think he was more than a man for the moment. Why?
There are a couple of reasons for mine. I don’t think anyone should underestimate the mess he inherited from the previous government. That mess in a way resulted in a country that was lost and looking for leadership and hope. He managed to bring this country back together as one. I think also the fact that he was prepared to say “no” to England and Churchill shows that he was a leader as opposed to a follower. And I don’t think we can ever undervalue his contribution to this country’s relationship to the USA. His decision to approach the Yanks when the Japanese were threatening should not be lost on anyone.
When I was younger and I was on my Australian History study/research kick I used to sit down with my Mum and talk about the depression and WW2. I also had similar conversations with her older brother. What is interesting from those conversations is that my Uncle who is a staunch Liberal voter (my Mother was the complete opposite and was a lifetime Labor voter) said to me that in his opinion Curtain was the best Prime Minster this country has ever had without question.
I don’t have much time for politicians on either side of the politic fence to be honest. Actaully as I get older I have less respect for them because none of them seem to be willing to actually make a tough decision, rather they seem to spend most of their time finger pointing and complaining
But the exception for me is and has always been John Curtain. I have a helluva lot of time and respect for him. As I said brilliant & great man
There was a doco/movie made for the ABC a couple of years back about Curtain – aprt from being very well made it is a good history leasson :thumbsup
Finally, the discussion going on through this thread has been sensational - no name calling, sniping jsut great debating . Well done all :bow :clapping :clapping
great summation WP i personally dont really want to get involved this thread as politics
tends to get me riled up.
and to think we have another election soon x2, when both sides of the fence really need a foot up the arse, especially through these boom times
that this country is in such disarray whether it be infrastrcture, education, hospitals the list goes on.
these blokes on both sides have wasted OUR money, again and again.
when did we have a visionary as a leader, have we really had one?
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The mining giants may baulk and carry on at the moment but at the end of the day they will suck it and absorb it. The extra costs and dangers of running mining operations in many other countries will still make Australia an attractive investment option.
If they do decide to leave our resources in the ground a little longer, then these resources will only become more valuable over time. The worlds resources are finite and as they diminish in volume those left behind become more valuable.
This super tax proposal is only part of a wider range of changes to the tax system, as recommended by the Henry Report, that is meant to reduce the tax burden on the rest of us.
Sorry Al I can not agree with your comments saying the Mining Giants will suck it up, Rio Tinto (who I worked for) have just pulled the plug on an 11.2 Billion Dollar upgrade of their Brockman 4 Mine in the Pilbara, as has Andrew Forest and another Queensland Billion Dollar company. I can tell you mate they will not just suck it and absorb it, they do not work like that.
I think we will all find that the mining giants are not pulling the pin on new projects due to the new tax but more so because of the financial crisis in Greece and Spain. It is thought by many economist to have the potential to cause a financial crisis worse than the last one! That is why the resources shares are losing value, not just in Australia, but world wide!
No GR12 sorry but not true, I havent even been out a year and I still communicate with many friends and work associates throughout mining. I can assure the financial crisis is over in mining, it just hasn't been a big as issue as when the down turn occured.
At Christmas time last year I was instructed to lay off 15 contract personnel as the global crisis was about to or was occuring, directly after Christmas in less than 2 weeks I was instructed to employ 16 contract employees and it has never ramped down. What people dont understand is that within the Pilbara we have the best crap (so to speak) Iron Ore in the world, we can combine that product with top grade Iron Ore from our other Pilbara deposits to come out with the best grade for export that is mixed with other Ore from around the word that in turn goes even further. In short, our ore is just about the highest demanded ore in the world.
The mining giants are not stupid, they are biding their time, but that time will never come if the 40% tax comes in.
But believe what you will, all I am trying to say is that I have jsut lived it for 25 years.. :thumbsup
P.S we used to have a laugh at what the so called econimists were saying, because most of the time nothing they said happened.
The reason why nothing happened that the economist predicted was due to the stimulus! If Australia has proposed a new mining tax which will make it the most expensive place to mine in the world, then why are resource stocks falling in all stock exchanges! I agree that mining companies have gone gun shy since the new tax was proposed but don't under estimate jittery world markets due to the Europrean financial crisis! Greeces economy has totally collapsed and Spain is not too far away and the EU bail out has everyone nervous! It will impose similar conditions as the Treaty of Versailles upon them!
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The reason why nothing happened that the economist predicted was due to the stimulus! If Australia has proposed a new mining tax which will make it the most expensive place to mine in the world, then why are resource stocks falling in all stock exchanges! I agree that mining companies have gone gun shy since the new tax was proposed but don't under estimate jittery world markets due to the Europrean financial crisis! Greeces economy has totally collapsed and Spain is not too far away and the EU bail out has everyone nervous! It will impose similar conditions as the Treaty of Versailles upon them!
The only thing the economic stimulus did was move our country's hard-earned savings into the bank accounts of licenced clubs and wealthy retailers - the very types of organizations that prey on the the people who received it. We had an economy strong enough to withstand very severe external pressures - indeed, most of the economies that we deal with in the world would have collapsed before ours, but our government made a knee jerk reaction and spent our entire surplus like it was the last Christmas. As a result we are NOW exposed to the global financial crisis like never before. And what is our government's reaction to the realisation it has a bare cupboard? Well, lets just whack the biggest of taxes on the ONLY commodity we have to export that is capable of carrying our economy through these tough global times - let's not just bite the hand of the one that feeds us, let's gnaw it's whole bloody arm off! Yes, the world markets are jittery and resource stocks are falling - all the more reason that we should have reined in our spending last year and protected our country's single biggest income stream, not blown it in a few months of madness and then turned to the resource sector to bail it out. The resources and those that mine them are not a bottomless pit and for our own protection and financial health the whole sector needs our government to nurture and protect them in our hour of crisis. Of course mining companies are gun shy - they don't become successful profit making businesses over many many years on the back of their financial stupidity. Our government would do very very well to listen to them and learn from them but unfortunately listening and learning does not appear to be one of it's strong points. This current government are proving more and more eerily similar to the government that holds the mantle as the most financially irresponsible and incompetent in our country's history - Gough Whitlam's bunch of ragtag incompetents - all action and no thought.
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Andrew Bolt is a very clever man and a Richmond supporter. :thumbsup
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Andrew Bolt is a very clever man and a Richmond supporter. :thumbsup
oh stuff me dead, you believe in santa clause too don't ya :santa lol
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Andrew Bolt is a very clever man and a Richmond supporter. :thumbsup
There is only one word to describe to describe Bolt.
a big CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
sorry Mods but it is the only word to describe such a piece of .poo
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Andrew Bolt is a very clever man and a Richmond supporter. :thumbsup
There is only one word to describe to describe Bolt.
a big CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
sorry Mods but it is the only word to describe such a piece of .poo
what has he done Dan that has you so riled.. besides maybe when he was working for the ALP?
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Andrew Bolt is a very clever man and a Richmond supporter. :thumbsup
There is only one word to describe to describe Bolt.
a big CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
sorry Mods but it is the only word to describe such a piece of .poo
what has he done Dan that has you so riled.. besides maybe when he was working for the ALP?
Andrew Bolt is the Terry Wallace of journalism.
All i used to read in his columns is his continual bias crap that shoots from his mouth. He is blinded by the real truth
if you like him good luck to you
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The reason why nothing happened that the economist predicted was due to the stimulus! If Australia has proposed a new mining tax which will make it the most expensive place to mine in the world, then why are resource stocks falling in all stock exchanges! I agree that mining companies have gone gun shy since the new tax was proposed but don't under estimate jittery world markets due to the Europrean financial crisis! Greeces economy has totally collapsed and Spain is not too far away and the EU bail out has everyone nervous! It will impose similar conditions as the Treaty of Versailles upon them!
The only thing the economic stimulus did was move our country's hard-earned savings into the bank accounts of licenced clubs and wealthy retailers - the very types of organizations that prey on the the people who received it. We had an economy strong enough to withstand very severe external pressures - indeed, most of the economies that we deal with in the world would have collapsed before ours, but our government made a knee jerk reaction and spent our entire surplus like it was the last Christmas. As a result we are NOW exposed to the global financial crisis like never before. And what is our government's reaction to the realisation it has a bare cupboard? Well, lets just whack the biggest of taxes on the ONLY commodity we have to export that is capable of carrying our economy through these tough global times - let's not just bite the hand of the one that feeds us, let's gnaw it's whole bloody arm off! Yes, the world markets are jittery and resource stocks are falling - all the more reason that we should have reined in our spending last year and protected our country's single biggest income stream, not blown it in a few months of madness and then turned to the resource sector to bail it out. The resources and those that mine them are not a bottomless pit and for our own protection and financial health the whole sector needs our government to nurture and protect them in our hour of crisis. Of course mining companies are gun shy - they don't become successful profit making businesses over many many years on the back of their financial stupidity. Our government would do very very well to listen to them and learn from them but unfortunately listening and learning does not appear to be one of it's strong points. This current government are proving more and more eerily similar to the government that holds the mantle as the most financially irresponsible and incompetent in our country's history - Gough Whitlam's bunch of ragtag incompetents - all action and no thought.
Sorry Smokey but i will disagree as i obviously come from a different political perspective (Keynesian)!
Australia's stimulus is and was a fraction per capita in Australia to the rest of the world and is hailed world wide as a responsible economic measure. The minimal loss of jobs saved people's dignity, kept GST rolling in and reduced welfare payments! Gough may have been to radical but lets face it, what he has introduced has remained even though we have had conservative goverments since then! The US has only just bought in it's equivalent to Medicare and the US has a user pays health system that further marginalises poor people! Conservative governments have sold all our utilities in the interests of competition yet these utilities have become incredibly inefficient to the point where it is costing more lives than insulation ever will. People in the country are losing children to asthma attacks as no-one from Telstra will fix their land lines or they live in areas that recieves no coverage (98 per cent coverage, what a joke! Everyone in the bush knows what a joke that is!)
As Australians we are incredibly conservative as compared to, say, European countries such as Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland and France! It is not too much different to footy, to spend is to create money!
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Andrew Bolt is a very clever man and a Richmond supporter. :thumbsup
There is only one word to describe to describe Bolt.
a big CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
sorry Mods but it is the only word to describe such a piece of .poo
what has he done Dan that has you so riled.. besides maybe when he was working for the ALP?
Andrew Bolt is the Terry Wallace of journalism.
All i used to read in his columns is his continual bias crap that shoots from his mouth. He is blinded by the real truth
if you like him good luck to you
You didn't answer the question Dan! What has he done to deserve such a stinging criticism?
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Andrew Bolt is a very clever man and a Richmond supporter. :thumbsup
There is only one word to describe to describe Bolt.
a big CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
sorry Mods but it is the only word to describe such a piece of .poo
what has he done Dan that has you so riled.. besides maybe when he was working for the ALP?
Andrew Bolt is the Terry Wallace of journalism.
All i used to read in his columns is his continual bias crap that shoots from his mouth. He is blinded by the real truth
if you like him good luck to you
You didn't answer the question Dan! What has he done to deserve such a stinging criticism?
I listen to MTR 1377 every morning @ 8am just to here 2 good Richmond supporters find more holes in the swiss cheese policies of the DUDD government.... and the Brumby government.
Recommended radio.
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Ill be your huckleberry. He has never won a debate, he gets dismantled by facts every time and resorts to crude insults and labels which reduces me to belly laughter so he does have entertainment value as a clown. He spews right wing dogma and drivel non stop along with racist and other bigoted agendas that he conveniently backs up with inferred facts and no actual facts. The bloke is a stuffing joke, lacks any sort of balance or objectivity and therefore cannot be a journalist, he is just an extension of the political apparatus pretending to be media which is dirty pool. Journalism is supposed to be an unbiased and objective representation of the facts not political manipulation of the plebescite and what better word to describe those who let themselves be manipulated by this idiot. :lol
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Ill be your huckleberry. He has never won a debate, he gets dismantled by facts every time and resorts to crude insults and labels which reduces me to belly laughter so he does have entertainment value as a clown. He spews right wing dogma and drivel non stop along with racist and other bigoted agendas that he conveniently backs up with inferred facts and no actual facts. The bloke is a effing joke, lacks any sort of balance or objectivity and therefore cannot be a journalist, he is just an extension of the political apparatus pretending to be media which is dirty pool. Journalism is supposed to be an unbiased and objective representation of the facts not political manipulation of the plebesciteand what better word to describe those who let themselves be manipulated by this idiot. :lol
Never has been, never will be. Don't kid yourself.
The word "unbiased" should be defined as a theoretical concept only.
:thumbsup
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Gough Whitlam too! Establishing the no fault fault divorce law, family law court, medicare, free tertiary education etc! A man well and truly before his time!
Please GR12! He was the greatest loose cannon our country has ever had as Prime Minister. All action and no thought - not the way I want my country governed, regardless of political persuasion.
How many times smokey have you been to the Doctors over the last 35 years using a medibank/medicare card and not have to pay?
For that one initiative, for that sole program Whitlam needs to be thanked by all of us who get cheap healthcare- And thats coming from someone who has voted for the Libs regularly over the last 15 years.
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How many times smokey have you been to the Doctors over the last 35 years using a medibank/medicare card and not have to pay?
For that one initiative, for that sole program Whitlam needs to be thanked by all of us who get cheap healthcare- And thats coming from someone who has voted for the Libs regularly over the last 15 years.
I do have to pay Ramps. The furphy that Medicare = "free" is just that - a furphy. I get a Medicare levy taken out of my tax, just like everyone else, so when I attend a doctor and the account is bulk-billed or I pay a gap, I am still paying. And the sad fact is that the level of care I receive is usually directly related to the level of reliance of the said medical establishment on Medicare for it's income. In addition I maintained private health insurance through that entire period because I had no faith in the Medicare system as it is (and still don't) to provide for me or my family in a period of medical necessity. It's a bandaid measure that has fooled the masses into thinking they were getting quality medical support for free. Nothing could be further from the truth at all levels. And before this becomes misconstrued as an anti-Labor rant, I believe the Liberal party have been just as gutless in not implementing a fairer system that provides true quality care and in which we all pay our fair share. Medicare has not been dismantled not because it works, but because the succession of governments since it's inception have not had any intestinal fortitude to tackle the real issues surrounding the provision of health services in this country. Same as our taxation system.
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Australian mining companies have never had it so good as they did when their cheersquad the Liberal Party was in charge. The good times can't last forever, everyone with even a basic education in economics would know this.
Anyone with a substantially less than basic education in economics would also know that the way to deal with an economic crisis is not to splash out and spend your hard-earned savings in one fell swoop and expose yourself to the influences and vagaries of every other 2-bit economy in the world. If our government had managed our country's savings prudently 18 months ago then they would have no need to consider imposing such a debilitating and worker-unfriendly tax.
So it is time that the industry was looked at.
Rio posted a 33% increase in profit (of nearly $5billion!) last year. BHP posted a $6.5 billion profit in the last 6 months of 2009 alone.
Nearly half of this profit is taken directly off shore, how exactly does that benefit Australia?
I'm all for it, in fact I don't think it goes far enough.
Do you have any idea how much capital investment it takes to produce this type of profit? Where do you think all the flow on from the billions and billions of dollars spent earning this profit goes? Into the pockets of everyday workers like yourself though all the infrastructure expenditure needed to support the industry, all over the country. You should be very mindful of the wise old adage regarding biting the hand of the one that feeds you.
Rio Tinto (who I worked for) have just pulled the plug on an 11.2 Billion Dollar upgrade of their Brockman 4 Mine in the Pilbara, as has Andrew Forest and another Queensland Billion Dollar company. .
WAT I think these are just idle threats being made by the mining bosses to try and scare Canberra. And going by the full page ads placed by them in the age and the hun today it looks like they are trying on the scare campaign to the general public.
Nope, they will close a mine down as quick as you can snap your fingers. My son works in a mine in the NT and they closed it down almost overnight for nearly 12 months recently because the price of resources dropped below their acceptable margin. Don't kid yourself, they will only play bluff to a certain point. After that it's every man for himself and it costs them a pittance to leave their 'gold' in the ground, it ain't going anywhere and they will just bide their time......dare I say it.....until a new government comes in?
This tax is an impost on the wealthy, but unfortunately it is them who will make everyone else pay for it, in the form of charging higher rates for it's minerals, sacking innocent workers and paying the existing ones less.
Because there is no way known that these fatcats are gunna let these commo bastards steal what's rightfully theirs!
What a cliche, so Neanderthal it's funny. I suppose they will use some of their mega-wealth to pay someone (on under award wages of course) to check the underneath of their beds for commies each night. :lol
Post of the year so far
To all of you Andrew Bolt loving, SUV driving, stockmarket watching wannabes on OER, who probably stand to lose a couple of dollars off the value of their portfolio/super fund, I salute you for your greed and ignorance. In fact I would like to apologise for being a mere worker on award wages, I must be such a drain on you all for asking for a 3% pay rise each year. Maybe I can cut back on some things and accept the 2.5% offer instead ::)
DallasCrane
I also work for a wage that I negotiated individually with my employer and both parties are happy with the arrangement. And I refuse to tow any union-driven party line that directs me to accept conditions that support lazy sloths in my company and industry that bludge on the hard work of others. And I will go to my boss to ask for a rise that I think is fair when I think its time. And I don't own a car, or own shares, or even have a super portfolio that would support me for a year, let alone a lifetime. So don't trot out your soapbox of the ages and proclaim it's the rich industrialist world against us workers - it's dated, it's irrelevant and it's demeaning to you as an adult capable of choices - free and individual thought.
And as for Andrew Bolt? He has only ever worked for one political party in this country - I'll leave it to you to guess which one.
Now this is the post of the year!! Well Done Smokey! :bow :clapping I think DCrane will think twice in future about making ridiculous and inaccurate mass generalisations. Brought me back to the old propaganda posters from WWI with German Gorilla's raping and pillaging.
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How many times smokey have you been to the Doctors over the last 35 years using a medibank/medicare card and not have to pay?
For that one initiative, for that sole program Whitlam needs to be thanked by all of us who get cheap healthcare- And thats coming from someone who has voted for the Libs regularly over the last 15 years.
I do have to pay Ramps. The furphy that Medicare = "free" is just that - a furphy. I get a Medicare levy taken out of my tax, just like everyone else, so when I attend a doctor and the account is bulk-billed or I pay a gap, I am still paying. And the sad fact is that the level of care I receive is usually directly related to the level of reliance of the said medical establishment on Medicare for it's income. In addition I maintained private health insurance through that entire period because I had no faith in the Medicare system as it is (and still don't) to provide for me or my family in a period of medical necessity. It's a bandaid measure that has fooled the masses into thinking they were getting quality medical support for free. Nothing could be further from the truth at all levels. And before this becomes misconstrued as an anti-Labor rant, I believe the Liberal party have been just as gutless in not implementing a fairer system that provides true quality care and in which we all pay our fair share. Medicare has not been dismantled not because it works, but because the succession of governments since it's inception have not had any intestinal fortitude to tackle the real issues surrounding the provision of health services in this country. Same as our taxation system.
The Gap you talk about Smokey is the extra amount the doctors put on top of the rebate and the they can live without that! It has nothing to with inadequate cover! Even private health insurance has a "Gap".The other thing is that Medicare is not about being "free" it is about a minimum level of health care that everyone can access regardless of wealth and not having to pay up front fees before you are cared for such as they have to in the U.S.
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The Gap you talk about Smokey is the extra amount the doctors put on top of the rebate and the they can live without that! It has nothing to with inadequate cover! Even private health insurance has a "Gap".The other thing is that Medicare is not about being "free" it is about a minimum level of health care that everyone can access regardless of wealth and not having to pay up front fees before you are cared for such as they have to in the U.S.
I know exactly what it is GR12, my wife works in the health industry and has done (public and private) for many years so I have a fair insight into it's workings, impacts and deficiencies. I dare you to debate the "they can live without that" comment with any doctor. Would you accept being told by a government department what your earning capacity will be? Doctors spend nearly 10 years of their young lives as students, training to be medical professionals and when they pass they get to take the human responsibility of life and death of those who seek their knowledge and skills, accepting the financial risks associated with such advice in our 'modern' litigious society. And you seriously believe that "they can live without that" is fair recompense for that effort and risk? Talk to a doctor one day and ask him/her if Medicare is the best possible way for our government to provide quality - please note the emphasis on the word quality - health care for all Australians. Accept some responsibility for your own health care and penalise a government who refuses to do the unpopular hard yards in fixing our current system.
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Gough got me through Uni for free!! Couldn't afford it these days.
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Gough got me through Uni for free!! Couldn't afford it these days.
Everything under Gough was free CR. Trouble was, someone had to pay and that someone was our economy which unfortunately for Gough had no spare cash to pay for it with. No problem to Gough - offshore we go and borrow, borrow, borrow. Hocking our children's and our country's future to the hilt. Took us years and years of belt tightening, diverting funds from areas that really needed the assistance in those years like health and education. Economic lunacy and incompetence at it's best, even if some of us could selfishly say "I did all right out of it". Was not in our country's best interests, in fact it nearly broke us. Sound familiar anyone?
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Gough years was pretty bad i think history shows that. just as i think history will show rudd's 1st term if he wins the next election as a term of massive blow outs money wise.
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Paul Keating = Hawthorn supporter
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1968-1983 was a forgettable period for Aussie politicians - Vietnam, OPEC oil crisis, constitutional crisis, and finally a government who refused to reform our economy. By the end of Fraser's reign the economy had grounded to a halt with unemployment almost double that than under Whitlam which says it all about how poorly the country was being governed :P. The only good thing about those 15 years was Richmond winning flags ;D.
Back to the thread title, Collingwood could have done with those little Chinese girls last night :lol. Karma is sweet Mr Premier :wallywink.
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Collingwood played Richmond in 6 finals in that time. Richmond won every one of them, including 2 Prelims and a Grand.
No wonder Johnny boy is keen to sink the boots in.
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Collingwood played Richmond in 6 finals in that time. Richmond won every one of them, including 2 Prelims and a Grand.
No wonder Johnny boy is keen to sink the boots in.
A few footy journos have been traumatised for life as well :yep :nopity
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Gough years was pretty bad i think history shows that. just as i think history will show rudd's 1st term if he wins the next election as a term of massive blow outs money wise.
will be pretty lucky to show that seeing we just rode through one of the worst worldwide economic crisis without a scratch...be a pretty brave historian that could make that argument...perhaps Andrew Bolt could spin that for ya lol
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Gough years was pretty bad i think history shows that. just as i think history will show rudd's 1st term if he wins the next election as a term of massive blow outs money wise.
will be pretty lucky to show that seeing we just rode through one of the worst worldwide economic crisis without a scratch...be a pretty brave historian that could make that argument...perhaps Andrew Bolt could spin that for ya lol
Yeah but some prefer Abbott! Send the unemployed to the mines? If they can't work in the city how will they go in the mines? I am threatened by homosexuals? I tell verbal lies but not written ones?
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The Dudd is dead. :ROTFL :ROTFL Even his own party axed him. Worst prime minister ever!!!!
And for all those supporters who think the unions don't run the ALP.... You are in denial.
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Who do you think started the labor movement TIgra? It was started by unions and the working class to represent them so that the Tories and rich didn't get to dictate terms. Of course they have some influence, they also funded its creation, it is not a big secret that they created the labor party. The sad thing is that the labor RIGHT have overrun it and destroyed everything it stood for. Just like the original concept of the Liberal party was not originally to be hardcore right wing facist nutters. Blokes like Fraser are probably the last of the true liberals. Liberal thinking is dead in that joint it is overrun with little ratbags. The unions however do not run the ALP, they do get some votes when it comes to elections.
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Blokes like Fraser are probably the last of the true liberals.
:rollin
He was the biggest hardcore right wing fascist nutter of the whole damn lot when he was PM.
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The Dudd is dead. :ROTFL :ROTFL Even his own party axed him. Worst prime minister ever!!!!
And for all those supporters who think the unions don't run the ALP.... You are in denial.
And who runs the Liberals?
Rich mining & newspaper magnates & their mates.
Boo hoo poor little us they're going to tax our billions of $$ of profits.
"It will cost jobs"... they trot this out all the time when what they really mean is it will cost us profits so we'll cut jobs to make sure we don't lose.
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"It will cost jobs"... they trot this out all the time when what they really mean is it will cost us profits so we'll cut jobs to make sure we don't lose.
Umm, how else do you propose to run a profitable business? You increase my costs, then for me to stay in business (remain profitable) I have to reduce my costs the best way I can and if cutting jobs is the best way or one of the best ways then so be it - not really rocket science. Would you rather they give no warning of possible repercussions - just waited until the tax comes in and then start cutting jobs?
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:'(
Is it because your one time hero has been stabbed in the back by the same party that stood by his backflips and money wasting? Are you all upset because you supported a dud of the highest order and now it's proven by his own party that he was a dud?
You all most probably cried when that bipolar Latham lost his leadership. :lol
"......I'm proud of......." what a tool!!!
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The premier recalled his visit to Jiangwan Stadium, where he watched some children in an Auskick program.
''Some of those girls could get a game for Richmond,'' he quipped. ''Get a game, in fact they'd make the whole team.''
Those girls could easily kick better for goal than Travis "I missed again" Cloke :wallywink
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Out: Rudd
In: Gillard
next
...... Out Brumby :pray :pray
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Has there ever been a Richmond supporting Prime Minister?
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Has there ever been a Richmond supporting Prime Minister?
Not sure Ramps but if I recall correctly Lindsay Thompson was our #1 ticket holder for a number of years.