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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: wayne on May 27, 2010, 05:03:04 PM
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Richmond
B: Kelvin Moore, Luke McGuane, Chris Newman
HB: Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, Shane Edwards
C: Richard Tambling, Ben Cousins, Jeromey Webberley
HF: Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt, Ben Nason
F: Robin Nahas, Graham Polak, Matt White
Foll: Angus Graham, Trent Cotchin, Jake King
I/C: Mitch Farmer, Ben Griffiths, David Astbury, Andrew Collins
Emg: Tyrone Vickery, Alex Rance, Will Thursfield
In: Polak, Tambling, Collins, Griffiths
Out: Nathan Foley (leg), Will Thursfield, Alex Rance, Tyrone Vickery
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Richmond
B: Kelvin Moore, Luke McGuane, Chris Newman
HB: Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, Shane Edwards
C: Richard Tambling, Ben Cousins, Jeromey Webberley
HF: Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt, Ben Nason
F: Robin Nahas, Graham Polak, Matt White
Foll: Angus Graham, Trent Cotchin, Jake King
I/C: Mitch Farmer, Ben Griffiths, David Astbury, Andrew Collins
Emg: Tyrone Vickery, Alex Rance, Will Thursfield
In: Polak, Tambling, Collins, Griffiths
Out: Nathan Foley (leg), Will Thursfield, Alex Rance, Tyrone Vickery
New: Ben Griffiths (Eastern Ranges)
PORT ADELAIDE v RICHMOND
Port Adelaide
B: Jacob Surjan, Alipate Carlile, Troy Chaplin
HB: Paul Stewart, Chad Cornes, Steven Salopek
C: Danyle Pearce, Domenic Cassisi, Travis Boak
HF: Matt Thomas, Justin Westhoff, David Rodan
F: Brett Ebert, Jackson Trengove, Tom Logan
Foll: Dean Brogan, Josh Carr, Kane Cornes
I/C: Matthew Broadbent, Cameron Hitchcock, Jay Nash, Daniel Stewart
Emg: Danny Meyer, Nick Salter, Jay Schulz
In: Broadbent, Carr, D.Stewart
Out: Jason Davenport (susp), Daniel Motlop (club susp), Jay Schulz
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95131/default.aspx
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That's three talls out, two talls in. We're going for a team of mini-me's ....
You'd have to think that Polly is there to help out in the ruck, so that would mean Astbury would have to play back??
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what is the matter with Axel???
i would of kept Vickery in the team!
why did they drop Thursfield for?
i can't believe Farmer, King, Nason is still in the team!
Polak has to play Ruck.
i hope they play Astbury in the forward line with Riewoldt!
GRIFFITHS!
"OUR NEXT PREMIERSHIP FULL FORWARD"
keep him in the team for the rest of the season!
our three tall forwards are finally playing together, Round 10!
:)
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Axel didnt come up, was ruled out earlier this week
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Alex didnt come up, was ruled out earlier this week
Alex or Axle ?
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Even assuming that it might be wet in Adelaide, I'd be looking for a late change. A tall in for a small. Can't imagine Shane Tuck playing CHB.
Thursty being out signals the likely rookie elevation of the Goo after round 11.
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Sorry Axel
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Thursty out was probably for matchups. The fact that it'll be wet and they've just come back from sweltering conditions in Darwin means they'll be tired. We're trying to run them off their feet.
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Bad about Nathan. Why was Will dropped? Can't believe that. Would have kept Vickery in. Glad brought in Griffiths.
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Farmer WTF?????????????????????
This will be a smashing to end all smashings!
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Absolutely staggered that Nahas (in particular) & Farmer have survived. Equally as staggered that Collins has been selected :gobdrop :gobdrop
i would of kept Vickery in the team!
Why?
So he can cop another battering, have is confidence further dented and then cop a barrage of criticism on fan forums by people sayng his isn't up to it? Because that owuld be the only reason you'd keep playing him
Needs a break and an opportunity to get some confidence and form back
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I think they are managing Foley, this is the second time they have pulled him out using leg as the reason. Does anyone know for sure or are they finally starting to manage our players returning from injujry properly??
Polak good inclusion for mine, can slot back to cover Thursty's position when Griffiths comes on and goes forward.
Not sure about Collins, has he deserved it?? Not from reports on this forum, maybe he has, we will see.
I would have kept Rance in over King and Farmer, they just can't keep playing these players in the same team. Really we lose Vickery and Thursty height wise and include Polak and Griffiths for height but we keep the smalls, so nothing has changed. I would have brought in Browne instead of Collins.
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Will Thursfield be at the club next year? It's hard for someone who is purely negative in "modern" football, I like him but I think Kel has gone past him as full back and I doubt he can hold down CHB, where will he be this time next year?
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Will Thursfield be at the club next year? It's hard for someone who is purely negative in "modern" football, I like him but I think Kel has gone past him as full back and I doubt he can hold down CHB, where will he be this time next year?
Did you mean Will Thursfield be at the club next year or Will... Will Thursfield be at the club next year.... :thumbsup ;)
Great point though and probably a player that has really escaped the trade and delisting rumors. I have always had a lot of time for this kid but I am not sure if he will ever be anymore than an average backman. He really showed some great signs a couple of years ago but apparently he had personal issues and he hasn't seem to of recovered.
Jury still out for mine, give him to the end of the year IMHO.
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I was always told repeating words was bad english, ;D
but I could have been clearer, I'm just wondering where his place is I guess.
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as an after thought I wonder if he would even have any currency on the trade table?
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as an after thought I wonder if he would even have any currency on the trade table?
Yeah I was thinking the same, thats why I am prepared to make the call at the end of the year. I think we would pick up a very late pick for him at the moment.
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I guess the logic on Farmer he is playing his old side. :-\
Logic on Nahas possibly, he kicked 5 against them in the wet in Adelaide last year. :-\
Griffiths coming in although great I question wet day interstate personally I would have waited till the following week for the biggest stage in Friday Night Footy. Would have been a great marketing tool, out with the Simmonds in with the Griffiths.
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Shultz out :lol
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oh deary me its runtsville again.what are they thinking.
height size and structure is what enables you to compete . king nason farmer webberley cousins white edwards tambling and nahas. throw in a still very undersized collins. in a way we can thank our lucky stars foley is injured.
ya know if these blokes were high quality you might get away with it but sheesh.
anyway good news griffiths is getting a taste. good to see vickery get dropped for his own good, disappointing we could not give browne a game or 3 in his place.
the brain fade king mcguane in front of thursfield and at fb bloody hell. moore the only othe genuine tall well hes a flanker anyway. what a backline how undersized is it.
angus the hack graham the sole ruckman .
im starting to wonder if anyone at the club actually looks at structures that work at other clubs.
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Cousins in the centre and King named rover is interesting, not really long term solutions, maybe Newman should have a run on the ball?
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hmm polak in good move for structure. astbury on the bench. no second ruckman yet here we have a 200cm 105kg bloke named on the bench as well. i wonder are they going to play griffiths in the ruck.
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hmm polak in good move for structure. astbury on the bench. no second ruckman yet here we have a 200cm 105kg bloke named on the bench as well. i wonder are they going to play griffiths in the ruck.
Playing Griffiths in the ruck would be an incredible injustice. Hope to hell they are not that stupid!
I'm not expected much from Griffiths, in fact I think Astbury is more likely to step up this game rather than Griffiths. Griffiths could be a star in the future but I think it is unrealistic to hope a first year, under developed and inexperienced KPP will be our forward savour. If he gets a few touches and takes a grab or two I will be happy.
Polak will be our utility for the game, acting as our 2nd ruck who drifts forward or back depending on need. I think this is a good move. I hope Collins takes this opportunity with both hands because his Coburg form has not warranted this call up.
I can only speculate that Danog is on the money and we will attempt to run them off their feet given the toughness of last weeks game and conditions. We can only hope :pray
Stripes
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Richmond's chance of breaking the ice this year took a turn for the worse with class midfielder Nathan Foley ruled out against the Power with achilles soreness. The club expects him to miss just one match.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/damien-hardwick-calls-in-new-blood-for-richmond/story-e6frg7mf-1225872271191
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Richmond's chance of breaking the ice this year took a turn for the worse with class midfielder Nathan Foley ruled out against the Power with achilles soreness. The club expects him to miss just one match.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/damien-hardwick-calls-in-new-blood-for-richmond/story-e6frg7mf-1225872271191
i think the fact that we know it's for 1 week and it's been labeled as 'leg' suggests he's been rested rather than having an injury. we've used this ploy many times this season with the likes of cotchin and martin etc.
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achilles injuries arent good, have had one for 3 months, still cant get rid of it
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oh deary me its runtsville again.what are they thinking.
height size and structure is what enables you to compete . king nason farmer webberley cousins white edwards tambling and nahas. throw in a still very undersized collins. in a way we can thank our lucky stars foley is injured.
ya know if these blokes were high quality you might get away with it but sheesh.
anyway good news griffiths is getting a taste. good to see vickery get dropped for his own good, disappointing we could not give browne a game or 3 in his place.
the brain fade king mcguane in front of thursfield and at fb bloody hell. moore the only othe genuine tall well hes a flanker anyway. what a backline how undersized is it.
angus the hack graham the sole ruckman .
im starting to wonder if anyone at the club actually looks at structures that work at other clubs.
Do you really think Hardwick is making selections based soley on the best chance of winning?
No chance that he is basing selections on first and foremost, those that follow the 20 team rules?
He wouldn't be setting some players a big task to see what they are made of? To challenge them?
Do you know why thursfield was dropped? If not how can you question the decision?
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TV not named in the Burger squad. Must be out for a rest. Seeing that the word is that Simmo gets his farewell against the Sainters next week, then it looks like TV is out for at least two weeks. Probably not a bad thing the way he has been playing.
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First time we see David and Goliath (Griff) together.
Let's hope we see it many more times.
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TV not named in the Burger squad. Must be out for a rest. Seeing that the word is that Simmo gets his farewell against the Sainters next week, then it looks like TV is out for at least two weeks. Probably not a bad thing the way he has been playing.
Ty V is being rested, just like scully and trengrove
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Going by the selected sides the match ups in terms of height aren't quite as bad as some would think. Their backline, overall, is taller than our forward line, which is not necessarily a bad thing in the wet, particularly if the tall forwards can ensure the ball comes to ground if they don't mark, while we have two KPF on the bench to rectify that if needed.
Obviously we lack a backman to match up with the taller forwards, in terms of height, but we all know that's a problem at the moment anyway (cue for the rants about how the Goo should have been elevated)
B: Kelvin Moore(190), Luke McGuane(193), Chris Newman(183)
F: Brett Ebert(179), Jackson Trengove(197), Tom Logan(183)
HB: Shane Tuck(189), Brett Deledio(188), Shane Edwards(180)
HF: Matt Thomas(184), Justin Westhoff(198),David Rodan(172)
C: Richard Tambling(180), Ben Cousins(179), Jeromey Webberley(181)
C: Travis Boak(183), Danyle Pearce(179), Domenic Cassisi(184)
HF: Dustin Martin(186), Jack Riewoldt(193), Ben Nason(179)
HB: Paul Stewart(193), Chad Cornes(192), Steven Salopek(184)
F: Robin Nahas(176), Graham Polak(194), Matt White(179)
B: Jacob Surjan(180), Alipate Carlile192), Troy Chaplin(192)
Foll: Angus Graham(201),Jake King(178),Trent Cotchin(185)
Foll: Dean Brogan(200), Josh Carr(179), Kane Cornes(183)
I/C: Mitch Farmer(180), Ben Griffiths(199), David Astbury(195), Andrew Collins(186)
I/C: Cameron Hitchcock(175), Daniel Stewart(199), Matthew Broadbent(189), Jay Nash(188)
It wouldnt take much tinkering with the selected positions to get the height matchups pretty much right across the ground
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what are you guys gonna expect from him this game ? i meen its not like he is gonna kick 4 goals or something and take high flyers ... but i could be wrong he he :gotigers
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oh deary me its runtsville again.what are they thinking.
height size and structure is what enables you to compete . king nason farmer webberley cousins white edwards tambling and nahas. throw in a still very undersized collins. in a way we can thank our lucky stars foley is injured.
ya know if these blokes were high quality you might get away with it but sheesh.
anyway good news griffiths is getting a taste. good to see vickery get dropped for his own good, disappointing we could not give browne a game or 3 in his place.
the brain fade king mcguane in front of thursfield and at fb bloody hell. moore the only othe genuine tall well hes a flanker anyway. what a backline how undersized is it.
angus the hack graham the sole ruckman .
im starting to wonder if anyone at the club actually looks at structures that work at other clubs.
Do you really think Hardwick is making selections based soley on the best chance of winning?
No chance that he is basing selections on first and foremost, those that follow the 20 team rules?
He wouldn't be setting some players a big task to see what they are made of? To challenge them?
Do you know why thursfield was dropped? If not how can you question the decision?
pppffftt whos talking about winning. just being competetive will do for starters.
surely you want some structures in place that will enable us to compete and not get bullied on the park. if you think 8 10 or so midgets each week will enable us to compete your kidding.and thats just it its not just this week its every week surely we are trying to build a structure that will work every week.
if you think going in with so many average small players is the way to go or just one ruckman or just one genuine kp backman is good structure good onya.
without size strength structure adequate height and a decent sprinkling of good skills hardwick can have one hundred 20 point rules. it wont do us any good.
the real trouble though is we dont have he medium types available atm or in the system to replace the very ordinary runts. but we could have done better than we have.
all i can say is white nahas king farmer tambling and possibly cousins dont deserve a game atm. yet we play them. can you tell me what 20 point rule tambling met to get back in. if they can justify him being selected under this rule i would argue the rule itself is worthless.you could ask the same thing for the rest of those mentioned as well.
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The only conclusions I can get from that post is;
You don't have a grasp of what Hardwick is trying to achieve, which makes you think he is wrong or stupid.
You would rather see something short term than put up with short term pain for long term gain.
Just one question;
Who do you bring in to replace those you want to drop and on what criteria do you you judge they deserve to replace the 6 aforementioned players?
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Farmer WTF?????????????????????
This will be a smashing to end all smashings!
another hack of a recruit.
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Farmer WTF?????????????????????
This will be a smashing to end all smashings!
another hack of a recruit.
from what I've seen so far Farmer is no good.
He must be a great team man or great on the training track because he is really poor on field. Can't even win the ball in space.
It's got me baffled. Don't understand why he's still in the side.
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Im disappointed in Farmer to. We needed someone who could shut down opposition small forwards. Unfortunately this one seems like it hasnt worked out. Anyone know what Scott Selwood is up to these days ;D
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Must admit i too am disappointed with farmer,however i'm prepared to cut him some slack..first year at a new club with very limited senior footy,he wasnt going to dominate anyway
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farmer was not worst on ground
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Must admit i too am disappointed with farmer,however i'm prepared to cut him some slack..first year at a new club with very limited senior footy,he wasnt going to dominate anyway
He did some good things today although playing off his bloke when Port kicked their 2nd goal. Punted on the ball going to the square and his man marked 40 out. Nevertheless massive improvement from last week.
Next week new challenge the runty smelly weasel in the 44 guernsey.
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thought he did some good things but also some things of concern ... anyway we won so thats what counts!
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As for Griffiths ... 1st game all you wanna see is glimpses of talent ... anyone notice how this kid whose 199cm and 98kgs runs and picks the footy of the ground. This kid has got alot of talent and Hardwick did the right thing bringing him off when he got a corky.
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he only played the 1st half in those conditions but showed enough to say he will be a super A grade elite fwd.
what a mark and so good below the knees
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he only played the 1st half in those conditions but showed enough to say he will be a super A grade elite fwd.
what a mark and so good below the knees
hf: Taylor - Griffiths - Astubry/Tambling
ff: Nahas - Riewoldt - Nason
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he only played the 1st half in those conditions but showed enough to say he will be a super A grade elite fwd.
what a mark and so good below the knees
hf: Taylor - Griffiths - Astubry/Tambling
ff: Nahas - Riewoldt - Nason
To me that would be the best fwd line in the comp!! You could even put nason on the wing and chuck post in there.
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he only played the 1st half in those conditions but showed enough to say he will be a super A grade elite fwd.
what a mark and so good below the knees
hf: Taylor - Griffiths - Astubry/Tambling
ff: Nahas - Riewoldt - Nason
To me that would be the best fwd line in the comp!! You could even put nason on the wing and chuck post in there.
Not yet.. but soon
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My hope is that in time we see
Riewoldt Astbury Morton
Nason Griffiths Taylor
Although some people on some forums are peddling this story that Morton is out at the end of the year ::)
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mindless ill informed gossip.
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Very impressive debut from young Ben.
Not sure if it showed on the TV but his willingness to make a contest and bring the ball to ground and then back it up with 2nd & 3rd efforts was the thing that impressed me...
Glad we didn't risk him in the 2nd half
But saw enough to believe with time will be a very good KP forward
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Great first up game... well half, some of our players that we have picked up this year are really really doing all the right things when they come in.
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Draft Wise: It seems
Martin :cheers
Griffiths :cheers
Astbury :cheers
Dea :pray
Taylor :pray
Nason :cheers
Webberley :cheers
So compared to other years its been a good draft so far
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The only conclusions I can get from that post is;
You don't have a grasp of what Hardwick is trying to achieve, which makes you think he is wrong or stupid.
You would rather see something short term than put up with short term pain for long term gain.
Just one question;
Who do you bring in to replace those you want to drop and on what criteria do you you judge they deserve to replace the 6 aforementioned players?
from that reply i can only assume you think it okay to go into games with 10 or more midgets who are undersized and lack skill. i take it you also think it okay to go with one ruckman, well port went without one at all. one genuine key defender cmon man blind fredyy can see that sort of overall structure will win you few games.
hmm what sort of structure do i want to see.
in an ideal world assuming all are available and fit.
b/ dea thursfield connors
hb/ deledio post moore.
c/ collins martin newman.
hf/ taylor jack cotchin
f / astbury griffiths nason.
r/ graham tuck foley
int/ browne cousins jackson and then take your pick depending on needs. in that team there are just three midgets possibly four. it has heaps of height. lots of pace. plenty of size and a shedload of players in development. it also contains the majority of our better senior players. it also contains very few shocking kicks.
also if youngsters like dea and taylor are not ready they have obvious replacements in morton and mcguane.
all im saying is looking at most sides 4 thru 6 smalls is plenty 3 tall forwards seems to be the norm 3 tall backs and two ruckman. teams do not deviate from this very much its been a constant with the vast majority of successful sides for a long time now. big bodies is almost the be all end all if you want to win premierships.but we all know its just not big bodies its an over all balance.
ya know i come across all negative but im quietly confident with a lot of our younger players. i am confident we have the right coach and we are implementing good processes. bloody right we are on the right track but we have much to learn. all i have ever done is try to learn from those who have been successful.
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oh and al based on the earlier debate about structures and size going into the port game.
yep i was wrong. :o with the weather so poor, playing so many shorter players was the right way to go. so kudos to the selection committee.
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:cheers
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:cheers
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I reckon you will add Relton the Barunga Bullet in there too, he will come good. :thumbsup :cheers