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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 27, 2010, 12:31:28 PM
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Coming up after the ad break on Ch 9's TAC Future Stars with Hutchy, Sheehan and Dixon.
ps. Yes I know! ;D
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Started with reminding everyone about his 2011 statement 18 months ago and that he got canned for. So he didn't think we were in such a bad state as everyone said we were at the beginning of the year.
He felt that the squad wasn't going to move forward until our young players gained ownership of the team which wasn't likely to occur until the older players moved on.
Positives of list now
* Age of squad - Most between 18-24. 2-3 years away from maturing
* Quality midfield base for the future - a couple of young ruckman coming on and genuine quality mids - Cotch, Martin, Foley
* Genuine stars at both ends - Jack at FF and Lids at HB (fantastic move by Dimma and AA form. Becoming a A-grader).
We've got enough mids to take Lids out of the midfield to HB. Dimma coming from Hawthorn obviously using Lids in that Luke Hodge-type role.
Would keep Cuz next year - experience and education for youngsters.
Tigers to look out for in the future:
* Post
* Rance - at the moment a question on where's he going to play. Sets standards at training. Dixon asked if he could become a tagger as Ling did (Ling was a junior FF who became a midfield tagger) and Plough said yes. Club needs to find out where to play him.
* Plough wouldn't go out and draft any more tall defenders and just stick with our athletic defenders McGaune, Moore and Thursty for now. Post and Rance to becme our bigger body defenders in time.
* Morton - needs to work harder. Push up the ground
* Griffiths and Astbury will be vital. One needs to stand up as you don't want to be going back into the draft for KP forwards. Both standing will be a bonus.
Needs:
1. Class wingers - Need another Lids. Dal Santo, Montagna type. We've got enough inside mids.
2. Backline kicker - another Newman who only has 3-4 years left.
Kids that Richmond will look at:.
* All around the 187cm tall mark who play inside/outside
* Kevin Sheehan reckons we'll finish with pick 8-10 so obviously thinks we'll finish above the Eagles and Crows.
1. Shaun ATLEY 13-Sep-92 187 82 Murray/Wodonga Bulldogs
X-factor is his step and pace. Have opponents left reaching to grab his jumper. BOG against WA at Subi for Vic C. Exceptional vision and awareness. Strong athletically.
others.....
2. Jayden PITT 07-Oct-92 187 70 Geelong/St Albans
3. Jared POLEC 12 Oct 92 188 77 Woodville West Torrens/Seaton Ramblers
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Started with reminding everyone about his 2011 statement so he didn't think we were in such a bad state as everyone said we were at the beginning of the year.
Positives of list now
* Age of squad - Most between 18-24. 2-3 years away from maturing
* Quality midfield base for the future - a couple of young ruckman coming on and genuine quality mids - Cotch, Martin, Foley
* Genuine stars at both ends - Jack at FF and Lids at HB (fantastic move by Dimma and AA form. Becoming a A-grader).
We've got enough mids to take Lids out of the midfield to HB.
Would keep Cuz next year - experience and education for youngsters.
Tigers to look out for in the future:
* Post
* Rance - at the moment where's he goung to play. Sets standards at training. Dixon asked if he could become a tagger and Plough said yes. Club needs to find out where to play him.
* Plough wouldn't go out and draft any more tall defenders and stick to our athletic defenders. Post and Rance to becme ou r bigger body defenders in time.
* Morton - needs to work harder.
* Griffiths and Astbury will be vital. One needs to stand up as you don't want to be going back into the draft for KP forwards. Both standing will be a bonus.
Needs:
1. Class wingers - Need another Lids. Dal Santo, Montagna type. We've got enough inside mids.
2. Backline kicker - another Newman who only has 3-4 years left.
Kids that Richmond will look at:.
* All around the 187cm tall mark who play inside/outside
* Kevin Sheehan reckons we'll finish with pick 8-10 so obviously thinks we'll finish above the Eagles and Crows.
1. Shaun ATLEY 13-Sep-92 187 82 Murray/Wodonga Bulldogs
X-factor is his step and pace. BOG against WA at Subi for Vic C. Exceptional vision and awareness. Strong athletically.
others.....
2. Jayden PITT 07-Oct-92 187 70 Geelong/St Albans
3. Jared POLEC 12 Oct 92 188 77 Woodville West Torrens/Seaton Ramblers
Thankyou OE
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Asking Terry Wallace to assess our list in 2010 is a bit like asking Hitler in 1946 how he would go about re-building Eastern Europe ;D
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Yep i reckon Adolph did need more talls in key positions.De listing Rommel early on was a huge mistake and the draft picks he got were squandered on the Russian front.
Predicting the 1000 year Reich also didnt go according to plan akin like terrys 2011 prediction.
Although there is a striking resemblnce between Albert speers monstrous monuments and whats being erected at Punt road at the mommnet
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Started with reminding everyone about his 2011 statement 18 months ago and that he got canned for. So he didn't think we were in such a bad state as everyone said we were at the beginning of the year.
He felt that the squad wasn't going to move forward until our young players gained ownership of the team which wasn't likely to occur until the older players moved on.
Positives of list now
* Age of squad - Most between 18-24. 2-3 years away from maturing
* Quality midfield base for the future - a couple of young ruckman coming on and genuine quality mids - Cotch, Martin, Foley
* Genuine stars at both ends - Jack at FF and Lids at HB (fantastic move by Dimma and AA form. Becoming a A-grader).
We've got enough mids to take Lids out of the midfield to HB. Dimma coming from Hawthorn obviously using Lids in that Luke Hodge-type role.
Would keep Cuz next year - experience and education for youngsters.
Tigers to look out for in the future:
* Post
* Rance - at the moment a question on where's he going to play. Sets standards at training. Dixon asked if he could become a tagger as Ling did (Ling was a junior FF who became a midfield tagger) and Plough said yes. Club needs to find out where to play him.
* Plough wouldn't go out and draft any more tall defenders and just stick with our athletic defenders McGaune, Moore and Thursty for now. Post and Rance to becme our bigger body defenders in time.
* Morton - needs to work harder. Push up the ground
* Griffiths and Astbury will be vital. One needs to stand up as you don't want to be going back into the draft for KP forwards. Both standing will be a bonus.
Needs:
1. Class wingers - Need another Lids. Dal Santo, Montagna type. We've got enough inside mids.
2. Backline kicker - another Newman who only has 3-4 years left.
Kids that Richmond will look at:.
* All around the 187cm tall mark who play inside/outside
* Kevin Sheehan reckons we'll finish with pick 8-10 so obviously thinks we'll finish above the Eagles and Crows.
1. Shaun ATLEY 13-Sep-92 187 82 Murray/Wodonga Bulldogs
X-factor is his step and pace. Have opponents left reaching to grab his jumper. BOG against WA at Subi for Vic C. Exceptional vision and awareness. Strong athletically.
others.....
2. Jayden PITT 07-Oct-92 187 70 Geelong/St Albans
3. Jared POLEC 12 Oct 92 188 77 Woodville West Torrens/Seaton Ramblers
LOL about most of what he said -especially the stuff about what he said about the state of list that he left etc etc. Didnt Dimma have to make 14 changes first up? Or do I remember that wrong! Hardwick will probably have to make another 10 changes to clear out once and for all the cloggers that Wallace left behind.
I agree that Atley does seem to be one that could help us for what we need and he seems to have moved in front of Jacobs and afew others that were at the same level. I disagree that we shouldnt draft a key defender, I wouldnt be trusting our current 3 when we reach finals. Rance as a tagger could work and should be tried.
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lmao at terry patting himself on the back talking up how we r developing nicely thanx to him as it all started 18 months ago
what a total stuffhead wallet is
and the bastard was going on how our 2 most exciteable prospects are post and rance what a toss, martin and friffiths are by a mile, martin for reasons we know , and griffiths will be a gun
oh yeah but wallet didnt recruit them lol, but his recruits in post and rance cant even get a game lol
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I would like to see Rance tried as a tagger before we fling him
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I would like to see Rance tried as a tagger before we fling him
he has been tried as a tagger already
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I would like to see Rance tried as a tagger before we fling him
he has been tried as a tagger already
I must have missed it. Hes been a disappointing player IMHO. I expected him to have done much better than what he has done and what he has shown so far.
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I would like to see Rance tried as a tagger before we fling him
he has been tried as a tagger already
I must have missed it. Hes been a disappointing player IMHO. I expected him to have done much better than what he has done and what he has shown so far.
agree he has been a dissppointment
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When and who did he tag?
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he played as a tagger v sydney, and 2 other games, he even mentioned it on the show today as he was a guest on there, said he has had roles this yr fwd back and run with, he prefers playing back
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187cm outside mid..
Bit like Jon ?
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Here's the youtube video for those that missed it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48SlR3rPyIc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48SlR3rPyIc)
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I don't see why we would go after Pitt early on in the draft if at all. At just 70kg he's going to need to put on 10-15kgs to play AFL at his height.
I hope Francis and Craig don't go for need with our first pick and stick to best available. If there's anything we can learn from Lids being moved to HB is that if you have a surplus of quality mids then you can move them out to the flanks. On the other hand you can't turn a skinny flanker into a genuine ballwinning midfielder. No more Jordie's or JON's thanks Richmond.
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Plough still has a thing for nimble outside mids/flankers by the looks of it.
Still, its nice that he is positive about our future, unlike Spud who would rather submit to a screaming eagle from Burkie, Stewie, Harvs and Nicky W than admit he buggered our list.
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I don't see why we would go after Pitt early on in the draft if at all. At just 70kg he's going to need to put on 10-15kgs to play AFL at his height.
I hope Francis and Craig don't go for need with our first pick and stick to best available. If there's anything we can learn from Lids being moved to HB is that if you have a surplus of quality mids then you can move them out to the flanks. On the other hand you can't turn a skinny flanker into a genuine ballwinning midfielder. No more Jordie's or JON's thanks Richmond.
From the video Atley looks like a real good player, only highlites mind you, but he has a 2nd gear and looks like he finds time with the footy. If kicking is good then hes right up there for us in my opinion.
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yes yes plough how does go ? ? yourself sound.
listening to his love for young skinny flankers makes me sick in the guts, but no suprises as he is an A grade loser.
a thread should never be created if it concerns anything that comes out of his mouth
Edited for avoiding the swear filter.You're lucky I've just got back from holidays and I have to shoot off to wrok - you've been banned once for use of the "C" word. Do it again and 48 hours on the swear bench awaits. For the final time the use of the "C" word in ANY form is totally unacceptable
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Terry should just not talk about us. Shock jock value. His opinion is outdated. Fancy starting with his 2011 comment and raising that first up like his management was the reason it may come to pass. IF it was he'd still be in the job. I'm starting to sympathise more with Spud at least he took us to a token finals spot. :-\
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yes yes plough how does go x x x yourself sound.
listening to his love for young skinny flankers makes me sick in the guts, but no suprises as he is an A grade loser.
a thread should never be created if it concerns anything that comes out of his mouth
Were you going to call him a sargent?
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even if hardwick sacks another 10 at the end of the year, taking his total to 24 changes in about 13 months ... when we have success Wallace will come out and claim he was a major part of it i reckon :lol
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even if hardwick sacks another 10 at the end of the year, taking his total to 24 changes in about 13 months ... when we have success Wallace will come out and claim he was a major part of it i reckon :lol
It's in his character and I am certain he will even if by 2012-13 possibly 75% of the list that was at the club in his last game will be gone from RFC. Can hear the gloating and self adulation from now. It's quite disturbing and sickening to say the least. Can anyone in the football world believe him now?
Of course it was his plans trades and selections coaching..............
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even if hardwick sacks another 10 at the end of the year, taking his total to 24 changes in about 13 months ... when we have success Wallace will come out and claim he was a major part of it i reckon :lol
It's in his character and I am certain he will even if by 2012-13 possibly 75% of the list that was at the club in his last game will be gone from RFC. Can hear the gloating and self adulation from now. It's quite disturbing and sickening to say the least. Can anyone in the football world believe him now?
Of course it was his plans trades and selections coaching..............
plain and simple he is a sargent of the highest order.
there aint no word in the dictionary that best describes this rat.
"if im to take credit for the recruiting at RFC then im also to take credit for the recruiting at the Buldogs"
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Plough still has a thing for nimble outside mids/flankers by the looks of it.
Still, its nice that he is positive about our future, unlike Spud who would rather submit to a screaming eagle from Burkie, Stewie, Harvs and Nicky W than admit he buggered our list.
I don't know about that Jake. I remember Spud admitting he tried to top up the list after making finals in 2001 because he thought we were close. He excepted that he made the wrong choice.
Unlike Wallet, he has NEVER stated he was responsible for our problems but has deflected blame to everyone from the president to the kid on work experience in the Tigers den.
I can't stand that Charlatan.
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Terry should just not talk about us. Shock jock value. His opinion is outdated. Fancy starting with his 2011 comment and raising that first up like his management was the reason it may come to pass. IF it was he'd still be in the job. I'm starting to sympathise more with Spud at least he took us to a token finals spot. :-\
Absolutely spot on this post.
Wallace on list management?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I think it is spelled Sergeant, WP, not Sargent. Sargent was an American painter who painted landscapes. My favourite landscape artists were John Constable and William Turner, who really captured the gloomy beauty of the newly industrialized English countryside.
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I think it is spelled Sergeant, WP, not Sargent. Sargent was an American painter who painted landscapes. My favourite landscape artists were John Constable and William Turner, who really captured the gloomy beauty of the newly industrialized English countryside.
:thumbsup :thumbsup
I was thinking Sargent's Pies jake ;) That's my take and I am sticking to it ;D
A pie inthe eye for Tezza perhaps
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The main deficiency in our game is our uncontested possession. We are doing fine on contested possession. So, first and foremost, we need blokes that can dispose effectively. That is what our recruiters will be largely focussing on in the next two drafts.
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The main deficiency in our game is our uncontested possession. We are doing fine on contested possession. So, first and foremost, we need blokes that can dispose effectively. That is what our recruiters will be largely focussing on in the next two drafts.
Isn't there someone running around for Coburg with good disposal :o
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I'm looking forward to him getting a game soon. The Richmond forums will go feral. :lol :lol
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Turner was famous for his amazing atmospheric paintings, huge skies, clouds with the sun behind breaking through and that stuff.
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The main deficiency in our game is our uncontested possession. We are doing fine on contested possession. So, first and foremost, we need blokes that can dispose effectively. That is what our recruiters will be largely focussing on in the next two drafts.
Isn't there someone running around for Coburg with good disposal :o
Jimmy O'Rielly ?
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Plough was on SEN this arvo talking about how Richmond stuffed up their recruiting prior to his arrival as coach.
1998: Traded first pick away for Biddiscombe. Pick ended up being used by Sydney to select Jude Bolton.
2001: First pick in the super draft wasn't until selection 33 which was David Rodan which admitted is no longer there.
2002: Traded first pick away again and only had one pick in the top 50.
2003: Traded first pick away again [Ed. Terry must have forgot that pick was used to get Browny].
So that's four years in six Richmond failed to bring in any top talented kids. That doesn't just cripple you for 4 years it ends up being like 8 years.
That's why when he came in we made a pact to never trade away our first pick each year. These first picks - Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin and Martin (which he admitted he didn't have anything to do with) are now leading the Tigers resurgence with a crop of others around them supporting them.
Plough also said Richmond is two years ahead of Melbourne in their rebuild. Our better players are now 21-22 y.o. whereas Scully and Trengove and alike are 19-20 y.o.
Of the current bottom six sides Richmond are now the most attractive to coach for the future.
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Atley will be a magnificent pick up even for pick 4. Hard worker with his successful athletic background in hurdles. Will be a really good player in the carnival seemed to always have a heap of time with his possessions. Only negative is his willingness for contact was a bit touchy at stages where I thought he could have gone a bit harder. Alongside, Jacko, Cotch, Martin and I don't think that would be needed anyway.
Id be very happy for us to use our first pick on Atley.
Pitt is too small and doesn't seem to have Atley's skill, pace wise he's up there.
Polec looks bigger, stands a bit taller and has good hip strength compared to the other 2. Skill wise not as god as Atley, but positioning is very very good. Is always where he should be as an outside mid for a handball recieve, never ball hunts.
Im a big wrap for Gaff if we can get him but if we can't, Atley would be a great pick up.
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Atley will be a magnificent pick up even for pick 4. Hard worker with his successful athletic background in hurdles. Will be a really good player in the carnival seemed to always have a heap of time with his possessions. Only negative is his willingness for contact was a bit touchy at stages where I thought he could have gone a bit harder. Alongside, Jacko, Cotch, Martin and I don't think that would be needed anyway.
Id be very happy for us to use our first pick on Atley.
Pitt is too small and doesn't seem to have Atley's skill, pace wise he's up there.
Polec looks bigger, stands a bit taller and has good hip strength compared to the other 2. Skill wise not as god as Atley, but positioning is very very good. Is always where he should be as an outside mid for a handball recieve, never ball hunts.
Im a big wrap for Gaff if we can get him but if we can't, Atley would be a great pick up.
The way we're going, we wont have a pick till maybe pick 10 or 12 and probably miss out on both Atley and Gaff.
GO TIGES!!!
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Atley was the one I was looking at too.
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Can't think of any good recruits we have got from Geelong in recent times. Neeld, Biddiscombe and kent Kingsley were not good pick ups
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Plough was on SEN this arvo talking about how Richmond stuffed up their recruiting prior to his arrival as coach.
1998: Traded first pick away for Biddiscombe. Pick ended up being used by Sydney to select Jude Bolton.
2001: First pick in the super draft wasn't until selection 33 which was David Rodan which admitted is no longer there.
2002: Traded first pick away again and only had one pick in the top 50.
2003: Traded first pick away again [Ed. Terry must have forgot that pick was used to get Browny].
So that's four years in six Richmond failed to bring in any top talented kids. That doesn't just cripple you for 4 years it ends up being like 8 years.
That's why when he came in we made a pact to never trade away our first pick each year. These first picks - Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin and Martin (which he admitted he didn't have anything to do with) are now leading the Tigers resurgence with a crop of others around them supporting them.
Plough also said Richmond is two years ahead of Melbourne in their rebuild. Our better players are now 21-22 y.o. whereas Scully and Trengove and alike are 19-20 y.o.
Of the current bottom six sides Richmond are now the most attractive to coach for the future.
what about the "pact" to trade away for duds like mclovin
you forgot about that did you Loser
Kinglsy
JON
Hislop
Thomson
the list of duds under the tanned one goes on and on and on
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Wallace is now like John Elliot.
Nothing pertinent to say, cannot be trusted and well past it in the public eye.
Credibility has long gone. Ignorance is bliss.
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As much as the Tiger faithful hates Plough, he was right about the recruiting during the late 90s and early 2000s. Our list was decimated with very few kids coming through. Thanks Beck, Geisch and Spud ::). The problem though with Terry's response is although most of current side was recruited under his reign he failed to mention the flip-flop recruiting during his tenure where as a club we couldn't decide from year to year whether we were in full-on rebuild mode or gunning for finals and in the end did neither. It's one of the two main reasons why he is no longer our coach.
A newly arrived coach has to make the most of his honeymoon period to turnover the list while fans will still tolerate loses for the good of the cause in the long-term.
The way we're going, we wont have a pick till maybe pick 10 or 12 and probably miss out on both Atley and Gaff.
Agree Mikee. The stupidity of the draft system penalising bottom sides who win games in the back end of season even though they have no chance of finals. The GC hogging the draft makes this penalty even worse this year. Why I still believe we should aim for a bottom 3 finish.
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Plough also said Richmond is two years ahead of Melbourne in their rebuild. Our better players are now 21-22 y.o. whereas Scully and Trengove and alike are 19-20 y.o.
Of the current bottom six sides Richmond are now the most attractive to coach for the future.
great, last time he said this about our list vs Hawthorn the other mob won a GF and we're still rebuilding :banghead
:lol :lol
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Melbourne will be screwed in a couple of years when Adelaide targets Trengove and Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon target Scully.
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he had his chance an blew it, he needs to be :shh
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Melbourne will be screwed in a couple of years when Adelaide targets Trengove and Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon target Scully.
Sometime in 2016 ...
"Back-to-back premiers Richmond have secured the services of Tom Scully who crosses to the Tigers as a free agent. I grew up barracking for the Tigers and it's great to finally be able to play for a big successful club like Richmond in front of a packed MCG crowd"
We can dream Ramps :lol
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Melbourne will be screwed in a couple of years when Adelaide targets Trengove and Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon target Scully.
Sometime in 2016 ...
"Back-to-back premiers Richmond have secured the services of Tom Scully who crosses to the Tigers as a free agent. I grew up barracking for the Tigers and it's great to finally be able to play for a big successful club like Richmond in front of a packed MCG crowd"
We can dream Ramps :lol
I just dont believe that Melbourne will keep hold of the players. They have 0 chance of holding Trengove for the length of his career and Scully is at best a 30% to 40% chance. Both players will eventually leave Melbourne FC.
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I would like to see Rance tried as a tagger before we fling him
he has been tried as a tagger already
I must have missed it. Hes been a disappointing player IMHO. I expected him to have done much better than what he has done and what he has shown so far.
agree he has been a dissppointment
Gee he is an athlete though. Got a cousins like body for fitness but yes a bit of a disappointment, may still come good.
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As much as the Tiger faithful hates Plough, he was right about the recruiting during the late 90s and early 2000s. Our list was decimated with very few kids coming through. Thanks Beck, Geisch and Spud ::). The problem though with Terry's response is although most of current side was recruited under his reign he failed to mention the flip-flop recruiting during his tenure where as a club we couldn't decide from year to year whether we were in full-on rebuild mode or gunning for finals and in the end did neither. It's one of the two main reasons why he is no longer our coach.
A newly arrived coach has to make the most of his honeymoon period to turnover the list while fans will still tolerate loses for the good of the cause in the long-term.
The way we're going, we wont have a pick till maybe pick 10 or 12 and probably miss out on both Atley and Gaff.
Agree Mikee. The stupidity of the draft system penalising bottom sides who win games in the back end of season even though they have no chance of finals. The GC hogging the draft makes this penalty even worse this year. Why I still believe we should aim for a bottom 3 finish.
Spot on. Plough did have a patchy recruiting record. Particularly poor in his first two drafts, which killed his career at Richmond, if we had picked players of the likes of Buddy and Roughhead instead Plough might still be at the club. One issue I have with the drafting during his era was the redrafting of duds using our bottom picks.
In support of Plough I will note we didn't have much a drafting budget during his first two years either. But was the drafting Plough or the recruiting dept or lack thereof we had.
He definitely had his flaws, recruiting, development coaching, general game plan but he also had his strengths, media, specific match day tactics.
I wonder if Hardwick is doing the wrong thing ala Plough, Mathew Knights and a whole host of coaches before him by using up his honeymoon period and creating a false dawn. We aren't finals material yet and we definitely aren't premiership material so why try? Draft instead.
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hes winning with kids, he cant tell them to lose and theres really no point in tanking now...its full steam ahead :gotigers