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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: MADTIGER2010 on December 21, 2010, 08:22:30 PM
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FB: connors mcguane newman
HB: deledio astbury gourdis
C: edwards cotchin conca
HF: houli post morton
FF: taylor reiwoldt griffiths
FOLL graham martin foley
INT: browne grigg webberley rance
EMER: vickery farmer thursfield nason
-Firstly i have aimed at having 3 forwards and 3 backs 192cm+ because I think it's a must in todays afl
-Mcguane is comfortably our best stopper at full back and now weighing 95kg at 192cm is a nice size
-Astbury obviously at CHB and Gourdis the 3rd tall defender either starting on the ground or on the bench with Webberley starting in his half back flank position depending on the oposition match ups
-That means that Moore doesn't make it being way too small to play key position and not providing as much skill as other smaller defenders. He only takes full back or the number 1 forward twice a year anyway. He tends to look better because he plays on 2nd or 3rd best forward and being further out from goal his possessions are under less pressure than deep in the goal square. He turns the ball over just as much as the unfairly maligned Mcguane anyway
-Graham and Browne probably could easily be replaced by Vickery or Derickx as the season goes on. Good competition
-I believe Webberley is our best 4th small defensive option from the bench to release Deledio into the midfield for maybe 5 minutes a quarter because of his skill
-If Conca is ready i'd like to see him get a run on the wing to give Morton a spot at half forward to boost our smaller forward options otherwise play Conca at half forward and Morton on the wing instead
-Houli being the other valuable experienced half forward flanker but in good competition with King(suspended Round 1) for the same position
-The promising Post given plenty of time at half forward with the Griffiths the 3rd tall in the pocket
-Taylor given a run in the other pocket but with good competition from Hicks, Helbig and Mcdonald
-I'd like to limit having only 1 of grigg, jacko or tuck in the team
-Reiwoldt in the obvious position and the ever improving Edwards on the wing
-Cotchin, Martin and Foley being our starting engine room and Deledio, Morton, Grigg, Houli, Edwards and Conca spreading the load
-Rance being the spare parts man playing forward, back and even midfield
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Gourdis will not play on the HBF over Tuck. Moore is not too small to play KPD. He's done good jobs on talls plenty of times and his skills are sound. If he ain't in the side then stuff me, we'll either have a brilliant backline or the coaches will have gone mad.
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Kel is one of our best defenders.
I'd have him in there over Maguanamo for sure.
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Kel is one of our best defenders.
I'd have him in there over Maguanamo for sure.
:thumbsup
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Kel is one of our best defenders.
I'd have him in there over Maguanamo for sure.
Completely over rated 8)
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Gourdis will not play on the HBF over Tuck. Moore is not too small to play KPD. He's done good jobs on talls plenty of times and his skills are sound. If he ain't in the side then eff me, we'll either have a brilliant backline or the coaches will have gone mad.
The only time Moore didn't look small was when he played on Steve Johnson and Mark Lecras
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Gourdis will not play on the HBF over Tuck. Moore is not too small to play KPD. He's done good jobs on talls plenty of times and his skills are sound. If he ain't in the side then eff me, we'll either have a brilliant backline or the coaches will have gone mad.
The only time Moore didn't look small was when he played on Steve Johnson and Mark Lecras
Where were you when he was toweling up forwards most weeks in 2008? Didn't see him matching it with the likes of Jonathan Brown? The dude can play and definitely isn't too small to compete with the big guys. If McGuane is our best stopper then we're in trouble. Moore finished 8th in the B&F, was McGuane even top 20? pretty sure Astbury finished ahead of him as well.
I was disappointed with Kel at times but he's still a better player than McGuane is. Moore will play round 1.
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Gourdis will not play on the HBF over Tuck. Moore is not too small to play KPD. He's done good jobs on talls plenty of times and his skills are sound. If he ain't in the side then eff me, we'll either have a brilliant backline or the coaches will have gone mad.
The only time Moore didn't look small was when he played on Steve Johnson and Mark Lecras
Where were you when he was toweling up forwards most weeks in 2008? Didn't see him matching it with the likes of Jonathan Brown? The dude can play and definitely isn't too small to compete with the big guys. If McGuane is our best stopper then we're in trouble. Moore finished 8th in the B&F, was McGuane even top 20? pretty sure Astbury finished ahead of him as well.
I was disappointed with Kel at times but he's still a better player than McGuane is. Moore will play round 1.
In 2008 Moore was usually 3rd tall behind Mcguane and Thursfield. He played on Fev in the centenary game when those 2 were out injured. Not sure why he's so highly rated. Makes a handy midsized defender but is pretty much a midget every week and is out sized and outplayed because of this. I've been waiting for 2 years to finally have a defence who matches the opposition for size and height. The best Moore can do as a key position is come out 50-50 with his bigger opponent, but usually he'll be beaten in 1 on 1s. If you compare Mcguanes goals against to opposition inside 50s, he's probably one of the best stoppers in the league. He has probably had to face more inside 50s than any full back in the league over the last 3 years. As for kicking, it was only this year he was a bit nervous with the occasional short pass. These errors will disappear. It's all about confidence because he's a lovely long kick
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No he wasn't. He played on the #1 forward quite often....I remember him playing on Fev, Brown, Franklin etc. In 08 Moore started off at FB with Schulz playing a fair bit at CHB, Mcguane didnt even play for the first month of the season (and I think he played about 15 games in total). Kel was beating most of the players he was playing on in 2008 which is why he is rated. I didn't rate his 09 but 2010 was pretty good for him.
Just out of curiosity, are you that bloke from BigFooty who thought Cleve Hughes was a gun? And holy poo, did you just say that it was only this season McGuane was a bit shakey with his kicks?
Regards,
big pete
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Pleaaasse, Mad one. The argument Moore V Mcguane is like listening to to two blokes arguing Mazda v Mitsubishi.
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More like two blokes arguing over who is hotter out of Pia Miller and Caroline Wilson.
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More like two blokes arguing over who is hotter out of Pia Miller and Caroline Wilson.
:rollin
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More like two blokes arguing over who is hotter out of Pia Miller and Caroline Wilson.
:lol
Just because I'm that sort of bloke, i'd let you take caro if the choice had to be made. :birthday
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I'd take Caro, only because i know she'd put out!
freaky deaky... :police:
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But in all seriousness Kel is superior player to Maguane. I actually like Luke but his kicking has always been shizenhouzen.
Even if Kel is slightly undersized for a true full back, what is the harm in having a versatile, mid-sized defender in the the team?
He is a quality ball user who provides good drive out of defense. I also believe he is solid in one on one situations, but i understand that some dont share this opinion.
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I'll have a crack -
FB: connors mcguane moore
HB: deledio astbury newman
C: edwards foley martin
HF: houli post morton
FF: farmer reiwoldt griffiths
FOLL graham cotchin jackson
INT: conca grigg webberley sub: tuck
I would have a more experienced side going into the clash against the Bluebaggers and Gourdis is still a protect players so I would have Morre as one of our leaders in the side at his expense.
Foley would go into the middle in his first game back and Marin and Edwards flanking him leaving Cotch our damaging follower. Jackson's importance in terms of our structure and defence is very under rated and I would have him shadowing Judd all day.
Farmer I would have in the forwardline as he is being trained in that role to utilize his penetrating kicking.
I have moved Conca to the bench as it will be his first game and I may even have left him out of the side completely in preference to an older campaigner at the moment until he earns his stripes.
Browne out as we have Post to act as our 2nd ruck and tuck as our sub as he can play anywhere.
Just my take
Stripes
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not many having a crack. any way here goes
fb farmer - gourdis - moore.
hb deledio - astbury - dea/orielly/batchelor.
c newman - martin - grigg.
hf morton - post - conca.
ff griffiths - riewoldt - houli.
r browne - cotchin - foley
int contin - connors - tuck - jackson/edwards/king
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not many having a crack. any way here goes
fb farmer - gourdis - moore.
hb deledio - astbury - dea/orielly/batchelor. :gobdrop
c newman - martin - grigg.
hf morton - post - conca.
ff griffiths - riewoldt - houli.
r browne - cotchin - foley
int contin :gobdrop - connors - tuck - jackson/edwards/king :o
Obviously looking at my gob drops i would have the last three alternatives on your bench easily filling the postions over dea, gourdis, batchelor and contin. Not saying they won't be good players but the others improved greatly greatly in 2010 and deserve their place in our best 22! Thats my opinion, it is not neccasarily correct :)
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okay lets see none of king jackson or edwards are backmen. and none are kpps either. so to me they are not in competition with dea orielly batchelor or gourdis.
i would have thought thursfield and mcguane in competition with gourdis.
king - for me is vieing with houli for a sml forward spot. the advantage of houli much better skills and can go into the midfield. downside is defense. you could make a case to play king in front of houli as a forward only.
jackson - have long advocated we can play only one of tuck or jackson i prefer tuck for his inside work. if jackson were to get a game it would be instead of tuck.
edwards - yep a bit stiff. likely in the 22. i have long wanted the club to play newman across the middle.and i believe grigg will get first dibs on a wing. i like bigger bodies.
titch is in competition with contin but they perform different roles. i reckon pat will tear the house down this yr.
connors - on the bench and out of the backline. i think its time for farmer to be given a proper go there hes a much better defensive type and does not squander the ball the way connors does. i think its also time connors in yr 5 found a motor.
finally none deserve a spot none. its a new season we are coming from 15th and you earn a place. i really hope more kids can put their hands up after all we are in rebuild and we need to find players who can take us above 15th.