Sounds like the official opening date of the ME Bank Centre?
is that the start ofthe footy season r 1 v The BluesRound 1 is the Thursday after (March 24) so WP may be right about this being the part of the season launch.
Wouldn't mind seeing the Tigers entire face, its no snarl without the sharp teeth and whiskers
They have only allowed credit card donations on the fighting fund site. What happens if someone doesnt use credit cards? Maybe the club needs to consider how supporters can get around this issue and make it easy for them to donate.
Ie. Does the club operate Bpay where each member has a corresponding Bpay number
Can the club open a bank account or trust account that would allow people to send cheques
The club needs to work on opening up the avenues for donations IMHO.
The club needs to work on opening up the avenues for donations IMHO.
Not sure how long this will run for & I assume they have put an end date on it so why not have a rolling option whereby you can contribute from your credit card an amount per week or month , similar to Rolling Tiger option on memberships
A real call to arms from Benny Gale in that video. Basically we need to generate $$$ now or we can forget ever seeing another flag when we are 14th when it comes to dollars invested in football. That also means we are currently at least one below a Bulldogs, Melbourne or North :P which is just embarrassing although they are also on the AFL drip ::).
Interesting that we should promote wanting our own reserves side before we have even started collecting the funds towards it. Selfishly it would be great to have curtainraisers back at Punt Rd but it also tells Coburg that the affiliation is temporary at best. They wouldn't survive without us either.
Not sure why the reconfiguration of the Punt Rd oval surface is part of this. I would've thought that was included in the $20m redevelopment monies?
I'm a bit disappointed that the only thing that's been announced is that the club is holding out their hand to the supporters again
I was under the impression that there was meant to be far more to this plan than just asking for donations
Can I say I am a little disappointed with how this has been launched
To me this should come out to the memebers first or at least at the same time it appears in the newspapers and on the web-site whether this is via an email or a letter.
If we (members & supporters) come first as we keep being told then IMHO we should have been told first
Just my take
Fire away ;D
I'm a bit disappointed that the only thing that's been announced is that the club is holding out their hand to the supporters again
I was under the impression that there was meant to be far more to this plan than just asking for donations
I'm a bit disappointed that the only thing that's been announced is that the club is holding out their hand to the supporters again
I was under the impression that there was meant to be far more to this plan than just asking for donations
Two questions:
How did the $4million debt happen?
What safeguards are in place to prevent a recurrence?
Two questions:
How did the $4million debt happen?
What safeguards are in place to prevent a recurrence?
this happened in the final 2-3 years of Casey's tenure when he increased expenditure without income increasing - i recall in one year we were about 2.5 in the red
Two questions:
How did the $4million debt happen?
What safeguards are in place to prevent a recurrence?
this happened in the final 2-3 years of Casey's tenure when he increased expenditure without income increasing - i recall in one year we were about 2.5 in the red
What expenditure? Your statement explains nothing.
Gee we spent more than we had, wow that would create a debt.
Was that 2-3 years while March was Vice president and Cameron was Treasurer?
Can I say I am a little disappointed with how this has been launched
To me this should come out to the memebers first or at least at the same time it appears in the newspapers and on the web-site whether this is via an email or a letter.
If we (members & supporters) come first as we keep being told then IMHO we should have been told first
Just my take
Fire away ;D
having just returned from the fan night, that was the original plan however they weren't assured of the front and back page on Herald Sun had they waitied...easy choice huh
I'm a bit disappointed that the only thing that's been announced is that the club is holding out their hand to the supporters again
I was under the impression that there was meant to be far more to this plan than just asking for donations
yes I concur TM, a blight on our recent history was the CC era, set the club back in more ways than one
Can I say I am a little disappointed with how this has been launched
To me this should come out to the memebers first or at least at the same time it appears in the newspapers and on the web-site whether this is via an email or a letter.
If we (members & supporters) come first as we keep being told then IMHO we should have been told first
Just my take
Fire away ;D
having just returned from the fan night, that was the original plan however they weren't assured of the front and back page on Herald Sun had they waitied...easy choice huh
Beat me to it bj17 - I 've only just got home
Yes it was clearly explained that the plan was to go to the members first but that plan got de-railed. Fair enough tooI'm a bit disappointed that the only thing that's been announced is that the club is holding out their hand to the supporters again
I was under the impression that there was meant to be far more to this plan than just asking for donations
He's my Hero as covered it well
There is going to be a very detailed and professional campaign for this.
We have only seen the first part. The first part as Benny explained was the club wanted to go to the membership first because we deserve that, they aren't forcing people to donate just asking people to consider it. The corporates etc will be approached. There will be a number of functions during the course of the season. there's still plenty to come
Next stage is a full mail out and people should receive that by Monday
They also acknowledged that there had been problems with the web-site and the ability to lodge donations. Apologies were made and the club has spent all day trying to get this sorted and it all should be done by tomoroow morning
I have a copy of the donation form that can be returned to the club - anyone not a member who wants to contribute send me a PM and I will email you a copy of the donation form if that helps
So where were you sitting WP?
So where were you sitting WP?
At the table stripes ;D
Hopefully the next time they have one of these things they will be able to use the new venue. The boardroom was a little cramped don't you think
yes I concur TM, a blight on our recent history was the CC era, set the club back in more ways than one
whatever it's done and it's dusted
As Benny said tonight he's not interested in the past and pointing fingers of blame he and his team & the CLub are about the now and the future
"Right here; right now" was his motto
After the club gets this cash and pays out the debts it needs to consider where it can find recurring non core business revenues from. Richmond needs to consider investing in some outside businesses that will provide annual revenue streams. The club will get 50,000 members this year probably, in time 75,000 members with a supporter base in excess of 500,000 people across the nation, they need to work out what type of services they can supply to this market and monetise all those ideas.
The donation website needs to be fixed ASAP! you shouldn't have to create an account to donate you should just be able to give your card details and the amount you want to give and BANG all done! I have now tried twice and I cant because my email address is already registered and I have forgot my password! Twice I have clicked on the forgot password lint to be told an new one will be emailed but I have seen nothing as yet??
Also a mate who is a member of another club was going to throw a few bucks toward the plight but backed out after he saw he had to create an account, he said he was happy to donate but didn't want the club to hassle him with email's once his address was in the system :banghead :bangheadI will go around there and tomorrow and grab some cash from him now he has comited, but thats not the point.....
Fine for me. I was sitting in a comfy chair like yourself but I agree, if they have that sort turnout again, they may need to move the meeting elsewhere. Did you pick who I was? :whistle
Two questions:
How did the $4million debt happen?
What safeguards are in place to prevent a recurrence?
this happened in the final 2-3 years of Casey's tenure when he increased expenditure without income increasing - i recall in one year we were about 2.5 in the red
What expenditure? Your statement explains nothing.
Gee we spent more than we had, wow that would create a debt.
Was that 2-3 years while March was Vice president and Cameron was Treasurer?
TM's statement summarises very well what actually happened. Casey was well known for being autocratic in getting his own way with the board and he publicly stated his intention to spend up on the football department. As you succinctly pointed out - we spent more than we had, yes, that would create a debt. Just as well the current incumbents (March and Cameron included) have a better idea hey.
Just arrived back from the Fan Night too. Firstly I was very impressed by the new board room we were ushered into. The Premiership Cups were on diplay along with other significant memorabila. The balcony that the room spilled out onto was a source of inspiration for one of Benny's passionate visions where he said our next cup will be presented to the jubulant fans who would look up from the new Punt Rd ground below.I should have looked at this thread before typing out that long post in the fan night thread lol.
We were all given drinks and food (who was served by a remarkably attractive blond lass - morale lifter perhaps :shh ;) ) and we were presented a broucher which outlined the new 'Fighting Tiger Fund' (sent to all members early next week). Benny spoke to us about the club vision and rationale behind the push.
The first step is to draw donations from the rank and file ($10, $20, $50 or $100 etc). The next step is to invite our wealthy backers to the opening of the new facilities. It is hoped that these more financially capable personalities will be inspired by what the common supporters were willing to give and collectively donate the remainder of the debt balance.
From this point the club will then evaluate the next steps which will include a large fundraiser revolving around the Carlton game plus other events throughout the year.
The reason why we were invited were because of our use of the digital media ie Tiger Forums. They wanted our support and suggestions on such mediums use. I made a few suggestions (time will tell whether these will be adopted) and others also offered suggestions plus asked questions about the use of the raised money, punt roads redevelopment, etc
If you have any questions I, plus any others who attended i'm sure, would be more than willing to reply.
Thanks
Stripes
Since Wright left the debt has again increased, albeit only by a half million or so.
The Club has a new website for donations
https://secure.memberdesq.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main&OrgID=1751
The Club has a new website for donations
https://secure.memberdesq.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main&OrgID=1751
The Club has a new website for donations
https://secure.memberdesq.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main&OrgID=1751
DOES IT allow for people to make a donation without using a credit card?
The Club has a new website for donations
https://secure.memberdesq.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main&OrgID=1751
What do you think tonight's results will do for the Fighting Fund?
I thought it was strange that we'd release it the week we decide to play such an inexperenced side without our name players to excite supporters. As expected we got thrashed. I hope that first half of the first game when our energy levels and fitness were the highest and we could maintain a high intensity and run gives supporters enough faith to donate and belief that in a few years the cubs will be okay with a few more preseasons under their belt. There's talent there coming through at the youth end that needs to be developed but we are still carrying a lot of deadwood. Just shows we need this plan to invest heavily in all areas of the footy dept. as we are daylight behind the best.
I think its a stupid article. A lot of our issues are brought on by ourselves noone else. If we build it, it will come.
Eliminate the debt yes, but ask the league to start salary capping assistant coaches, well im sorry thats effin wrong.
The only reason the RFC is still going around is because of us, the people who poor $$ into that club when it has delivered us very little.
Ramps the day clubs are privatized is the day football becomes like that rubbish EPL where the same teams win every year
ooh yeah and being compared to North really annoys the crap out of me.
ooh yeah and being compared to North really annoys the crap out of me.
what are you guys coomplaining about this blokes rant? He's one of us for goodness sake.
Haven't we all complained and moaned about something Richmond has done?
Sounds like he is venting to me.
what are you guys coomplaining about this blokes rant? He's one of us for goodness sake.
Haven't we all complained and moaned about something Richmond has done?
Sounds like he is venting to me.
The problem is his article is more discouraging than encouraging in regards to people donating, so for that he can get stuffed sideways. :police:
what are you guys coomplaining about this blokes rant? He's one of us for goodness sake.It's uneducated venting. He should probably do his research a bit more to find out what the entire FTF program is about rather than just asking members for cash
Haven't we all complained and moaned about something Richmond has done?
Sounds like he is venting to me.
This fellow is under the false belief that the club is demanding money from its supporters where the club should be taking money from the AFL, memberships and other revenues streams. What he fails to note is the purpose of this venture. The AFL give money to struggling clubs to make them competitive with the other struggling clubs of the competition. Richmond is asking for donations to become more than this.
From every message the club has passed on, the FTF is about become great again. It's about becoming the best, the biggest, the most envied. The fund is about winning premierships instead of just being perpetually stuck in 9th place. It's about giving the club the funds to eradicate the debt which anchors our club down and the funds to pour into our players, staff and operations.
If this bloke is happy to keep pretending he can't help and its not his problem but then in the same breath demand success and even a refund on his money then he is missing the point entirely. We can't all pull on a jumper and fight on the field for what we all crave for but we can find some money to help those that do.
I was more than happy to donate money because I can see the reason, I can see the vision and I can see the purpose. I believe in what they are selling and I can finally see some light at the end of the tunnel.
Richmond is a great club, we are a big club and its time we start helping the club and players realize this. I want a flag and if a bit of cash is going to help that then I say we do it.
Time to stop doing nothing and put our money where our mouth and heart is. People who want the world but are not willing to offer anything in return deserve nothing and at Tigerland I'm sick of getting nothing. It's time to hear us roar once more and time to show the likes of Collingwood and Carlton that it is time to fear us once more! :gotigers
Stripes
Is that my cue '65? ;D
We will all put whatever we can in ... I will put in $200 when the paperwork arrives but I ask this ... and its more than just about us as a club.
When does it stop? How many members does a club need? How much revenue? When the membership sales growth stops ie. because there are no more members to get or the stadiums can no longer provide enough facility's - where will the new revenue come from? And if football department costs go up say $1 million to $2 million a year - where will the supporters get the money from to fund the clubs?
My view is that we should fund our club but lets be truthful about this when any club can get 50,000 members and then asks it supporters for $6 million on top - then something isn't right about the business model in operation.
The way we are going all the clubs will get privatised to rich owners within 20 years.
When does it stop? How many members does a club need? How much revenue? When the membership sales growth stops ie. because there are no more members to get or the stadiums can no longer provide enough facilitys - where will the new revenue come from? And if football department costs go up say $1 million to $2 million a year - where will the supporters get the money from to fund the clubs?
My view is that we should fund our club but lets be truthful about this when any club can get 50,000 members and then asks it supporters for $6 million on top - then something isnt right about the business model in operation.
The way we are going all the clubs will get privatised to rich owners within 20 years.
Dude, it will stop when we reach 6 millionI'm sure they won't stop accepting donations after they hit 6 million, but I'm sure the campaign will stop once the target has been reached
I'm sure they won't stop accepting donations after they hit 6 million, but I'm sure the campaign will stop once the target has been reached
It definitely will be interesting. I think there's a few things they could put in place to encourage more donations of around $1-2000. The rewards are set at a very high mark and would be out of range for people on what would even be considered a decent salary.I'm sure they won't stop accepting donations after they hit 6 million, but I'm sure the campaign will stop once the target has been reached
they've siad it will run for 12 months
It will be interesting to see if they get the $6 mil, go over it or fall short
I reckon they will get the $4.5mil for the debt easlity the rest I'll be honest I am not so sure about
i ask supporters this.I've already donated through the GFG, they can take that and pay off their fines, or maybe give it to a nice plush coterie dinner or something ::)
Why donate money?
The night before B. Gale announces to the masses at Crazyburn the fighting fund.
RFC were fined for being late on the ground for the NAB match against Collingwood and also fined for not having submitted team sheets to umpires and opposition clubs before commencement of play.Note usual fine is $10,000 for being late.
Feel sorry for supporters donating money, might as well stand out in the wind and throw it away.
:banghead
i ask supporters this.If true (hard to ever know with you)
Why donate money?
The night before B. Gale announces to the masses at Crazyburn the fighting fund.
RFC were fined for being late on the ground for the NAB match against Collingwood and also fined for not having submitted team sheets to umpires and opposition clubs before commencement of play.Note usual fine is $10,000 for being late.
Feel sorry for supporters donating money, might as well stand out in the wind and throw it away.
:banghead
i ask supporters this.
Why donate money?
The night before B. Gale announces to the masses at Crazyburn the fighting fund.
RFC were fined for being late on the ground for the NAB match against Collingwood and also fined for not having submitted team sheets to umpires and opposition clubs before commencement of play.Note usual fine is $10,000 for being late.
Feel sorry for supporters donating money, might as well stand out in the wind and throw it away.
:banghead
i ask supporters this.because we are SUPPORTERS , so what if we copped a piddly fine for a minor issue
Why donate money?
The night before B. Gale announces to the masses at Crazyburn the fighting fund.
RFC were fined for being late on the ground for the NAB match against Collingwood and also fined for not having submitted team sheets to umpires and opposition clubs before commencement of play.Note usual fine is $10,000 for being late.
Feel sorry for supporters donating money, might as well stand out in the wind and throw it away.
:banghead
i ask supporters this.
Why donate money?
The night before B. Gale announces to the masses at Crazyburn the fighting fund.
RFC were fined for being late on the ground for the NAB match against Collingwood and also fined for not having submitted team sheets to umpires and opposition clubs before commencement of play.Note usual fine is $10,000 for being late.
Feel sorry for supporters donating money, might as well stand out in the wind and throw it away.
:banghead
Are you seriously telling people not to donate to the FTF?
Whats the matter? afraid that if the club becomes sucessful you will have nothing to post about?
i will enighten you more.
the sirens at the ground go off at intervals.
Collingwood were on the ground long before we were, as were the umpires.
the siren went off twice , meaning 2 minutes the start of play.
it then went off once to signal a minute to go.
No sign of the tigers.
I explained to my 8YO daughter the signfigance of the sirens etc,.
can tell you that my information on the night about the team sheets,was from the opposition team and they were peeed right off as no team sheets were handed in.
AFL steward reported all this to the match supervisor, result RFC were fined.
Does anyone know when the paperwork will go out for donations- I havent received any papers yet!
i ask supporters this.
Why donate money?
The night before B. Gale announces to the masses at Crazyburn the fighting fund.
RFC were fined for being late on the ground for the NAB match against Collingwood and also fined for not having submitted team sheets to umpires and opposition clubs before commencement of play.Note usual fine is $10,000 for being late.
Feel sorry for supporters donating money, might as well stand out in the wind and throw it away.
:banghead
Are you seriously telling people not to donate to the FTF?
Whats the matter? afraid that if the club becomes sucessful you will have nothing to post about?
Does anyone know when the paperwork will go out for donations- I havent received any papers yet!
It was all supposed to be sent out this week Flagman
Maybe Mr RFC_O can shed some light on things
i will enighten you more.
the sirens at the ground go off at intervals.
Collingwood were on the ground long before we were, as were the umpires.
the siren went off twice , meaning 2 minutes the start of play.
it then went off once to signal a minute to go.
No sign of the tigers.
I explained to my 8YO daughter the signfigance of the sirens etc,.
can tell you that my information on the night about the team sheets,was from the opposition team and they were peeed right off as no team sheets were handed in.
AFL steward reported all this to the match supervisor, result RFC were fined.
I think as a reuslt of this we've clearly bought the game into disrepute and the fine was completely warrantedTotal care factor about this earth changing event = 0
who is this clownster called Jackstar.. :lol
same old same old. :banghead
Thats the reason the club is in 6m debt,
far be it for me to be all over Jack but that is bloody sloppy if true...people are employed to do their jobs right, someone needs a decent kick up the behind for that
far be it for me to be all over Jack but that is bloody sloppy if true...people are employed to do their jobs right, someone needs a decent kick up the behind for that
you are correct,heard from the Collingwood camp as last years premiers couldnt beleive what a mess the tiges were last sat night.
By the way, Drank wine( not beer ) with the Tiger Prawns for dinner tonite, bottle is now empty, now to sit back and watch the footy
Look here idiot , I gave alot in the save or skins campaign.you are correct,heard from the Collingwood camp as last years premiers couldnt believe what a mess the tiges were last sat night.
By the way, Drank wine( not beer ) with the Tiger Prawns for dinner tonite, bottle is now empty, now to sit back and watch the footy
please dont donate jack
know for a fact that the club dont wany you, or your money ;) ;) ;)
PS we will raise $6 million quite easily, we dont need to carry passengers like you anymore jack ;)
Jack's money is as good as anyone else's!
Even if they hate his guts, it's not their club -they don't own it - it's everyone's
Jack's money is as good as anyone else's!
Even if they hate his guts, it's not their club -they don't own it - it's everyone's
Jack's money is as good as anyone else's!
Even if they hate his guts, it's not their club -they don't own it - it's everyone's
Thanks FNM. :thumbsup a vote of confidence from you :lol
I only tell it how I see it, if they hate the truth, thats there issue
you are correct,heard from the Collingwood camp as last years premiers couldnt beleive what a mess the tiges were last sat night.
according to this post it seems that the team manager here is to blame. We should sack him and bring in Neil Balme. :cheersfar be it for me to be all over Jack but that is bloody sloppy if true...people are employed to do their jobs right, someone needs a decent kick up the behind for that
The club is given a schedule from the AFL Ground manager in regards to times they are to enter the ground, warm up times etc.
The team manager is given this and checks his watch to the AFL time.
The team manager then keeps the coach and his staff up to date with the time.
Signalling to the coach how the time is going during the coaches last minute address.. AFL is extremely strict in regards to teams entering the grounds and games starting on time due to TV commitments etc.
the team sheet issue is inexcusable.. as the team sheets needs to be submitted to the opposition team managers and the AFL before the game is started. usual rules for normal season game is 45 minutes, NAB I dont know, although Richmond did not have a team sheet to hand over to Collingwood last week. the AFL steward game Collingwood staff the numbers of the players as the ball was bounced, fact !
that would be "their" issue (not there)
:lol
that would be "their" issue (not there)
:lol
Look here idiot , I gave alot in the save or skins campaign.you are correct,heard from the Collingwood camp as last years premiers couldnt believe what a mess the tiges were last sat night.
By the way, Drank wine( not beer ) with the Tiger Prawns for dinner tonite, bottle is now empty, now to sit back and watch the footy
please dont donate jack
know for a fact that the club dont wany you, or your money ;) ;) ;)
PS we will raise $6 million quite easily, we dont need to carry passengers like you anymore jack ;)
And was amongst the 3000 loyal supporters who turned up at the G on a sunday morning to hear Jack Dyer speech.
.And I will give what i can to this campaign.
Even to the extent that my company will be involved corporately.
I'll give you a tip nobody cares anymore ;) ;)That's not entirely true
I'll give you a tip nobody cares anymore ;) ;)That's not entirely true
Jack does
Look here idiot , I gave alot in the save or skins campaign.you are correct,heard from the Collingwood camp as last years premiers couldnt believe what a mess the tiges were last sat night.
By the way, Drank wine( not beer ) with the Tiger Prawns for dinner tonite, bottle is now empty, now to sit back and watch the footy
please dont donate jack
know for a fact that the club dont wany you, or your money ;) ;) ;)
PS we will raise $6 million quite easily, we dont need to carry passengers like you anymore jack ;)
And was amongst the 3000 loyal supporters who turned up at the G on a sunday morning to hear Jack Dyer speech.
.And I will give what i can to this campaign.
Even to the extent that my company will be involved corporately.
You wouldnt know the first thing about loyalty Jack.
You are a disgruntled EX-employee and a rabble rowser. We don't need you or your money do everyone a favour and go away, the club has moved on in leaps and bounds, but you won;t, perhaps you could invest that money in some therapy for yourself to get over it, I'll give you a tip nobody cares anymore ;) ;)
Blaisee and Infamy, get a life boys.I was 8 and living in London at the time, decent excuse for not attending I think
I moved on years ago :birthday
Question clowns, where you 2 at the Save our Skins meeting ??? I think not
Any word on the donation total to date?
That's not that muchAny word on the donation total to date?
It's over $100k according to an article on RFC.com
Only got the papers for making a donation this afternoon. I imagine everyone else is in the same boat. Donations should go up from now Id reckon.I received the pamphlet in the post today as well. It's the one that was handed out at the fan night.
At the fan night, Benny Gale said based on other past fundraising events he expects the majority of the money to come from our big end of town supporters and corporates (eg: the March 17 gala night). Your average supporters won't generate that much in truth. It was more an act of courtesy to ask members and supporters first to get involved given we have propped up the club for the past 30 years for little in return onfield to be honest.That's not that muchAny word on the donation total to date?
It's over $100k according to an article on RFC.com
Just wondering if the players are giving up any money?
Maybe they could give up a weeks match payment.
Hopefully the tally gets a real kick along at and after the gala night on March 17 when the big donations come in.
whats a realistic figure to be raised on the 17th March? 3mill? From memory the dees raised 4 mill in one massive night? but i stand to be corrected on that.
whats a realistic figure to be raised on the 17th March? 3mill? From memory the dees raised 4 mill in one massive night? but i stand to be corrected on that.
add 1mill.
add 1mill.Guess who's just won tattslotto! ;D
Perhaps they are only reporting money received rather than money pledged
Perhaps they are only reporting money received rather than money pledged
could be the case,
big pledges/donations
to be announced on the 17th
Looks like about 95%+ of the members probably havent made any contribution at all at this stage and thats pretty disappointing IMHO.
This would not come about until after the next broadcast rights agreement and would not be retrospective
Where's that being held? Wondering how many numbers can fit. 300 people?
How much do you have to pledge just to get an invite? $3000?That was what the email said. It read that they were expecting those attending to pledge "a minimum of $3k"
Should be pushing over $1M before the doors even open.
:clapping :cheers
That was what the email said. It read that they were expecting those attending to pledge "a minimum of $3k"Is that on top of the $3k+ they spent to get an invite or is this for those big ticket supporters who were just invited to come?
That was what the email said. It read that they were expecting those attending to pledge "a minimum of $3k"Is that on top of the $3k+ they spent to get an invite or is this for those big ticket supporters who were just invited to come?
I think if you're invited it's around $300 but if you donate over $3k to the FTF you also get a ticket if you want oneHow much for a ticket?That was what the email said. It read that they were expecting those attending to pledge "a minimum of $3k"Is that on top of the $3k+ they spent to get an invite or is this for those big ticket supporters who were just invited to come?
I think if you're invited it's around $300 but if you donate over $3k to the FTF you also get a ticket if you want oneHow much for a ticket?That was what the email said. It read that they were expecting those attending to pledge "a minimum of $3k"Is that on top of the $3k+ they spent to get an invite or is this for those big ticket supporters who were just invited to come?
If you donate over $3k you get an invite to the March 17th function at the ME Bank centre (if you want it)I think if you're invited it's around $300 but if you donate over $3k to the FTF you also get a ticket if you want oneHow much for a ticket?That was what the email said. It read that they were expecting those attending to pledge "a minimum of $3k"Is that on top of the $3k+ they spent to get an invite or is this for those big ticket supporters who were just invited to come?
Not sure what you mean Infamy
My understanding of the night is it is by invitation only, it doesn't cost anything to go as the people who are attending are (as I mentioned) are expected to pledge a minimum of $3k. On the night how much people pledge/donate is up to them
But my understading is you cannot buy a ticket to night
If you donate over $3k you get an invite to the March 17th function at the ME Bank centre (if you want it)
It's part of the incentives program they have for larger donations
VIP Donor Entitlements (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals/0/richmond_docs/RFC302%20FTF%20Entitlements.pdf)
Sorry, I just read it somewhere before, I may be completely wrong though. I think there are some invites sent out to people who haven't donated yet but they will be expected to pay upfront for attending. I'm sure the club has a register of who has made some significant donations before and wants them to come along to lean on them to make a decent contribution on the night.If you donate over $3k you get an invite to the March 17th function at the ME Bank centre (if you want it)
It's part of the incentives program they have for larger donations
VIP Donor Entitlements (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals/0/richmond_docs/RFC302%20FTF%20Entitlements.pdf)
Exactly what I was saying Infamy - so I am not sure where you got it this it is/was $300 for a ticket to go from ??? because my understanding is there are NO tickets on sale for this event - invite only
Sorry, I just read it somewhere before, I may be completely wrong though. I think there are some invites sent out to people who haven't donated yet but they will be expected to pay upfront for attending. I'm sure the club has a register of who has made some significant donations before and wants them to come along to lean on them to make a decent contribution on the night.If you donate over $3k you get an invite to the March 17th function at the ME Bank centre (if you want it)
It's part of the incentives program they have for larger donations
VIP Donor Entitlements (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals/0/richmond_docs/RFC302%20FTF%20Entitlements.pdf)
Exactly what I was saying Infamy - so I am not sure where you got it this it is/was $300 for a ticket to go from ??? because my understanding is there are NO tickets on sale for this event - invite only
Edited because I WP's crap typing ;D
Haha, if I won Tatts maybe.Sorry, I just read it somewhere before, I may be completely wrong though. I think there are some invites sent out to people who haven't donated yet but they will be expected to pay upfront for attending. I'm sure the club has a register of who has made some significant donations before and wants them to come along to lean on them to make a decent contribution on the night.If you donate over $3k you get an invite to the March 17th function at the ME Bank centre (if you want it)
It's part of the incentives program they have for larger donations
VIP Donor Entitlements (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals/0/richmond_docs/RFC302%20FTF%20Entitlements.pdf)
Exactly what I was saying Infamy - so I am not sure where you got it this it is/was $300 for a ticket to go from ??? because my understanding is there are NO tickets on sale for this event - invite only
Edited because I WP's crap typing ;D
You must be a man of mean Infamy...how many million's are you donating on the night? :shh
C'mon Inf, surely you can trade the Z3 down to an MX5 ?Haha, no Z3 in my garage mate
Ah, upgraded. Nice. Hope you got a good price for the Z3 ;DNever had one, I've never owned a BMW. You must have me confused with someone else.
Major League® style.
Have a Pia cardboard cutout and for every million we get, a piece of clothing is removed. :thumbsup
We'll make billions.
Major League® style.
Have a Pia cardboard cutout and for every million we get, a piece of clothing is removed. :thumbsup
We'll make billions.
:lolMajor League® style.
Have a Pia cardboard cutout and for every million we get, a piece of clothing is removed. :thumbsup
We'll make billions.
Shhhh apparently Caro reads this forum. The smelly bag of sardines might write a story that will get Ricky Nixon and Fev off the back pages.
Major League® style.
Have a Pia cardboard cutout and for every million we get, a piece of clothing is removed. :thumbsup
We'll make billions.
Major League® style.
Have a Pia cardboard cutout and for every million we get, a piece of clothing is removed. :thumbsup
We'll make billions.
Or apply reverse psychology. Have a Caro cutout and for every million we don't get, remove an article of clothing. Reckon it will be a dead heat which method wins! And just to spice it up, Sam Newman can do the removing for the Caro cutout. :o
got a little certificate of recognition for my donation. nice touch from the club.Did you donate a significant amount to get the certificate? :thumbsup
Mick Molloy donated 5 grand towards the FTF and handed it over to Benny Gale on MMM this morning.
Pope,Not sure why this is surprising, there are only 300ish seats and apparently its already close to being full
I rang the club and offered 3k donation so I could attend the gala on thursday. But I insisted that my wife come along. Simply put, my wife stated, "if you are going to donate 3k to the fund, I want to come to the dinner".
I ring the club and state, "im willing to donate 3k, but I want a ticket for the two of us. Basically, I cant afford 6k, but will pump in 3k if you give me two seats".
Reply, "sorry, but you would need to put in 6k".
So I have now given zip and wont be attending with my wife.
Pope,Not sure why this is surprising, there are only 300ish seats and apparently its already close to being full
I rang the club and offered 3k donation so I could attend the gala on thursday. But I insisted that my wife come along. Simply put, my wife stated, "if you are going to donate 3k to the fund, I want to come to the dinner".
I ring the club and state, "im willing to donate 3k, but I want a ticket for the two of us. Basically, I cant afford 6k, but will pump in 3k if you give me two seats".
Reply, "sorry, but you would need to put in 6k".
So I have now given zip and wont be attending with my wife.
I don't particularly want to go by myself, but I am
I think there should be far more incentives to encourage donations between $500-3000 and perhaps more levels of incentives. I would like my Round 17 jumper framed but I can't afford $20k, I would be happy to donate more to the club for it as I'll have to pay for it anyway. Either way that's been the way its done and the proof will be at the end of the year.
What happened with Damo is wrong in my opinion. But some of the criticisms are abit tough IMHO. When you donate, you shouldnt really expect anything in return. Donate what you can, donate it with your heart and if you get something in return its a bonus, if not, you can be pleased in the knowledge that you did the best you could and you made a contribution.
Pope,
I rang the club and offered 3k donation so I could attend the gala on thursday. But I insisted that my wife come along. Simply put, my wife stated, "if you are going to donate 3k to the fund, I want to come to the dinner".
I ring the club and state, "im willing to donate 3k, but I want a ticket for the two of us. Basically, I cant afford 6k, but will pump in 3k if you give me two seats".
Reply, "sorry, but you would need to put in 6k".
So I have now given zip and wont be attending with my wife.
My last post wasn't a whinge at not having incentives it was highlighting how poorly IMO it's been marketed to the public.Even the incentives for big donations hasn't been publicised much. It was mentioned in The Age once and if you ask the club will send you the PDF but there's no mention of these on the FTF page.
The club who I'll forever defend in 99% of cases have just opened up a bank and said, please transfer funds. And thats it.
Just don't agree with the way they launched it.
Sure we can all be fine citizens and bow our heads and say I give and don't expect anything in return, go home and night and pat ourselves on the back and feel good about ourselves, or we could ask our club for a better organised, marketed and proposed debt demolition.
But the fact is that not everyone works that way. In fact the majority of people don't.
All the passionate member fork our yet more money for the cause of the RFC, (for nothing.. again). Yet we haven't branched out to target other demographics. The, not so passionate Richmond supporters, the non members, the fair weather supporters, supporters of other clubs etc. If there is something there for these groups then the club obviously gets more money and he club also doesn't pull the heart string of us die hards... again.
I'm on both our local footy and cricket committees and it's near impossible getting sponsors on board each year unless we offer something in return. A few club legends that own their own business donate money to the club but without a tiered sponsorship structure you'd get nothing in return if you hold out your hands and simple just say "please donate...."
It could have had more thought put in thats all. The club would have benefited from it.
My last post wasn't a whinge at not having incentives it was highlighting how poorly IMO it's been marketed to the public.
The club who I'll forever defend in 99% of cases have just opened up a bank and said, please transfer funds. And thats it.
Just don't agree with the way they launched it.
Sure we can all be fine citizens and bow our heads and say I give and don't expect anything in return, go home and night and pat ourselves on the back and feel good about ourselves, or we could ask our club for a better organised, marketed and proposed debt demolition.
But the fact is that not everyone works that way. In fact the majority of people don't.
All the passionate member fork our yet more money for the cause of the RFC, (for nothing.. again). Yet we haven't branched out to target other demographics. The, not so passionate Richmond supporters, the non members, the fair weather supporters, supporters of other clubs etc. If there is something there for these groups then the club obviously gets more money and he club also doesn't pull the heart string of us die hards... again.
I'm on both our local footy and cricket committees and it's near impossible getting sponsors on board each year unless we offer something in return. A few club legends that own their own business donate money to the club but without a tiered sponsorship structure you'd get nothing in return if you hold out your hands and simple just say "please donate...."
It could have had more thought put in thats all. The club would have benefited from it.
Pope,Not sure why this is surprising, there are only 300ish seats and apparently its already close to being full
I rang the club and offered 3k donation so I could attend the gala on thursday. But I insisted that my wife come along. Simply put, my wife stated, "if you are going to donate 3k to the fund, I want to come to the dinner".
I ring the club and state, "im willing to donate 3k, but I want a ticket for the two of us. Basically, I cant afford 6k, but will pump in 3k if you give me two seats".
Reply, "sorry, but you would need to put in 6k".
So I have now given zip and wont be attending with my wife.
I don't particularly want to go by myself, but I am
I think there should be far more incentives to encourage donations between $500-3000 and perhaps more levels of incentives. I would like my Round 17 jumper framed but I can't afford $20k, I would be happy to donate more to the club for it as I'll have to pay for it anyway. Either way that's been the way its done and the proof will be at the end of the year.
can tell you not full at all, am in the process of organising a table
Pope,Not sure why this is surprising, there are only 300ish seats and apparently its already close to being full
I rang the club and offered 3k donation so I could attend the gala on thursday. But I insisted that my wife come along. Simply put, my wife stated, "if you are going to donate 3k to the fund, I want to come to the dinner".
I ring the club and state, "im willing to donate 3k, but I want a ticket for the two of us. Basically, I cant afford 6k, but will pump in 3k if you give me two seats".
Reply, "sorry, but you would need to put in 6k".
So I have now given zip and wont be attending with my wife.
I don't particularly want to go by myself, but I am
I think there should be far more incentives to encourage donations between $500-3000 and perhaps more levels of incentives. I would like my Round 17 jumper framed but I can't afford $20k, I would be happy to donate more to the club for it as I'll have to pay for it anyway. Either way that's been the way its done and the proof will be at the end of the year.
can tell you not full at all, am in the process of organising a table
organising a table?
leaving it a bit late arent you jack?
i heard that you werent welcome
My last post wasn't a whinge at not having incentives it was highlighting how poorly IMO it's been marketed to the public.
The club who I'll forever defend in 99% of cases have just opened up a bank and said, please transfer funds. And thats it.
Just don't agree with the way they launched it.
Sure we can all be fine citizens and bow our heads and say I give and don't expect anything in return, go home and night and pat ourselves on the back and feel good about ourselves, or we could ask our club for a better organised, marketed and proposed debt demolition.
But the fact is that not everyone works that way. In fact the majority of people don't.
All the passionate member fork our yet more money for the cause of the RFC, (for nothing.. again). Yet we haven't branched out to target other demographics. The, not so passionate Richmond supporters, the non members, the fair weather supporters, supporters of other clubs etc. If there is something there for these groups then the club obviously gets more money and he club also doesn't pull the heart string of us die hards... again.
I'm on both our local footy and cricket committees and it's near impossible getting sponsors on board each year unless we offer something in return. A few club legends that own their own business donate money to the club but without a tiered sponsorship structure you'd get nothing in return if you hold out your hands and simple just say "please donate...."
It could have had more thought put in thats all. The club would have benefited from it.
Why would fair weather supporters or supporters from other clubs give money? I cant see it myself. The fact is Richmond people have to make this project a success not outsiders or people who only support when it suits them.
If you need some incentive, then your better off going to the club, buying a 1980 Richmond jumper signed by players for just under $2000 or buying that piece of Jack Riewoldt memorabilia thats available. Theres also afew Richo peices available.
My last post wasn't a whinge at not having incentives it was highlighting how poorly IMO it's been marketed to the public.
The club who I'll forever defend in 99% of cases have just opened up a bank and said, please transfer funds. And thats it.
Just don't agree with the way they launched it.
Sure we can all be fine citizens and bow our heads and say I give and don't expect anything in return, go home and night and pat ourselves on the back and feel good about ourselves, or we could ask our club for a better organised, marketed and proposed debt demolition.
But the fact is that not everyone works that way. In fact the majority of people don't.
All the passionate member fork our yet more money for the cause of the RFC, (for nothing.. again). Yet we haven't branched out to target other demographics. The, not so passionate Richmond supporters, the non members, the fair weather supporters, supporters of other clubs etc. If there is something there for these groups then the club obviously gets more money and he club also doesn't pull the heart string of us die hards... again.
I'm on both our local footy and cricket committees and it's near impossible getting sponsors on board each year unless we offer something in return. A few club legends that own their own business donate money to the club but without a tiered sponsorship structure you'd get nothing in return if you hold out your hands and simple just say "please donate...."
It could have had more thought put in thats all. The club would have benefited from it.
Why would fair weather supporters or supporters from other clubs give money? I cant see it myself. The fact is Richmond people have to make this project a success not outsiders or people who only support when it suits them.
If you need some incentive, then your better off going to the club, buying a 1980 Richmond jumper signed by players for just under $2000 or buying that piece of Jack Riewoldt memorabilia thats available. Theres also afew Richo peices available.
A friend of mine gave the Melbourne football club $50,000 for debt demolition. He barracks for Carlton.
My last post wasn't a whinge at not having incentives it was highlighting how poorly IMO it's been marketed to the public.
The club who I'll forever defend in 99% of cases have just opened up a bank and said, please transfer funds. And thats it.
Just don't agree with the way they launched it.
Sure we can all be fine citizens and bow our heads and say I give and don't expect anything in return, go home and night and pat ourselves on the back and feel good about ourselves, or we could ask our club for a better organised, marketed and proposed debt demolition.
But the fact is that not everyone works that way. In fact the majority of people don't.
All the passionate member fork our yet more money for the cause of the RFC, (for nothing.. again). Yet we haven't branched out to target other demographics. The, not so passionate Richmond supporters, the non members, the fair weather supporters, supporters of other clubs etc. If there is something there for these groups then the club obviously gets more money and he club also doesn't pull the heart string of us die hards... again.
I'm on both our local footy and cricket committees and it's near impossible getting sponsors on board each year unless we offer something in return. A few club legends that own their own business donate money to the club but without a tiered sponsorship structure you'd get nothing in return if you hold out your hands and simple just say "please donate...."
It could have had more thought put in thats all. The club would have benefited from it.
Why would fair weather supporters or supporters from other clubs give money? I cant see it myself. The fact is Richmond people have to make this project a success not outsiders or people who only support when it suits them.
If you need some incentive, then your better off going to the club, buying a 1980 Richmond jumper signed by players for just under $2000 or buying that piece of Jack Riewoldt memorabilia thats available. Theres also afew Richo peices available.
As far as fair weather and other club supporters go, your question is spot on, why would they donate?
There is no reason.
We should give them one.
Offer 20 hour kick to kick sessions with Jack Riewoldt for the first 20 people that donate 10k. etc.
As of March 15, 2011
$219,687
My last post wasn't a whinge at not having incentives it was highlighting how poorly IMO it's been marketed to the public.
The club who I'll forever defend in 99% of cases have just opened up a bank and said, please transfer funds. And thats it.
Just don't agree with the way they launched it.
Sure we can all be fine citizens and bow our heads and say I give and don't expect anything in return, go home and night and pat ourselves on the back and feel good about ourselves, or we could ask our club for a better organised, marketed and proposed debt demolition.
But the fact is that not everyone works that way. In fact the majority of people don't.
All the passionate member fork our yet more money for the cause of the RFC, (for nothing.. again). Yet we haven't branched out to target other demographics. The, not so passionate Richmond supporters, the non members, the fair weather supporters, supporters of other clubs etc. If there is something there for these groups then the club obviously gets more money and he club also doesn't pull the heart string of us die hards... again.
I'm on both our local footy and cricket committees and it's near impossible getting sponsors on board each year unless we offer something in return. A few club legends that own their own business donate money to the club but without a tiered sponsorship structure you'd get nothing in return if you hold out your hands and simple just say "please donate...."
It could have had more thought put in thats all. The club would have benefited from it.
Why would fair weather supporters or supporters from other clubs give money? I cant see it myself. The fact is Richmond people have to make this project a success not outsiders or people who only support when it suits them.
If you need some incentive, then your better off going to the club, buying a 1980 Richmond jumper signed by players for just under $2000 or buying that piece of Jack Riewoldt memorabilia thats available. Theres also afew Richo peices available.
As far as fair weather and other club supporters go, your question is spot on, why would they donate?
There is no reason.
We should give them one.
Offer 20 hour kick to kick sessions with Jack Riewoldt for the first 20 people that donate 10k. etc.
So who from here are the lucky ones going on Thursday night to the gala evening?
So who from here are the lucky ones going on Thursday night to the gala evening?
Me I've wormed my way in ;D :rollin
So who from here are the lucky ones going on Thursday night to the gala evening?
Me I've wormed my way in ;D :rollin
Full Report expected from you WP. :cheers
So who from here are the lucky ones going on Thursday night to the gala evening?
Me I've wormed my way in ;D :rollin
Full Report expected from you WP. :cheers
Yep especially as I am interestd what the night raised in terms of the Fighting Tiger Fund WP. :thumbsup
Brian Taylor on 3aw reckons $3-4 million will be raised after tomorrow night's gala. Him and Caro are going apparently.
Brian Taylor on 3aw reckons $3-4 million will be raised after tomorrow night's gala. Him and Caro are going apparently.
Brian Taylor on 3aw reckons $3-4 million will be raised after tomorrow night's gala. Him and Caro are going apparently.
Damn that would be nice. There goes the debt. Even if we don't manage a fighting fund that would put us well ahead.
BT is the MC for the night
Brian Taylor on 3aw reckons $3-4 million will be raised after tomorrow night's gala. Him and Caro are going apparently.
Brian Taylor on 3aw reckons $3-4 million will be raised after tomorrow night's gala. Him and Caro are going apparently.
Damn that would be nice. There goes the debt. Even if we don't manage a fighting fund that would put us well ahead.
BT is the MC for the night
RFCO said the number attending is closer to 200That's disappointing then as when the gala was first announced they said it was for over 300
Together? Sardines on a Barge.
Remind Caro from us all - "there is no Dana, only Zoul".
I guess it depends on how much is being donated by each.RFCO said the number attending is closer to 200That's disappointing then as when the gala was first announced they said it was for over 300
RFCO said the number attending is closer to 200That's disappointing then as when the gala was first announced they said it was for over 300
That makes senseRFCO said the number attending is closer to 200That's disappointing then as when the gala was first announced they said it was for over 300
If you take 200 "fans" add the entire playing list (46), all the staff, board, sponsors, former players you easily get 350.
I know the new social club is big but we don't want to be sitting on each others lap, though I am sure there is a few blokes I know who wouldn't mind having Pia Mill sitting on their laps ;D
Looking forward to it :thumbsup
I don't want to be a spoil sport but it's the worst timing in the history of time to have this fundraiser.
Don't kill me for saying this but I think it's the worst time to be having a 6 million debt demolition when there are other world events which would be more worthy of a cash injection.
now that I've got it off my chest I'm sure these people attending have probably contributed in some way to many worthy charities.
I am not condemning anyone just highlighting the bad timing of the event
I don't want to be a spoil sport but it's the worst timing in the history of time to have this fundraiser.
Don't kill me for saying this but I think it's the worst time to be having a 6 million debt demolition when there are other world events which would be more worthy of a cash injection.
now that I've got it off my chest I'm sure these people attending have probably contributed in some way to many worthy charities.
I am not condemning anyone just highlighting the bad timing of the event
Just waiting for the taxi to pick me upHave a great night WP and all OERites going :thumbsup
Really looking forward to; tonight ;D
Just waiting for the taxi to pick me up
Really looking forward to; tonight ;D
Just waiting for the taxi to pick me up
Really looking forward to; tonight ;D
have a good night WP.
looking forward to hearing how the night is going on the footy show tonight
3aw just said before one individual has donated $1.5m tonight :o:clapping :clapping :clapping
3aw just said before one individual has donated $1.5m tonight :o:woohoo :bow
Whaaaaaaaat!
I wonder if they'll keep the running total under wraps on the night until the end (we might raise more than $6 mill!)
Whaaaaaaaat!
I wonder if they'll keep the running total under wraps on the night until the end (we might raise more than $6 mill!)
Was thinking that too. Imagine we get past $6 mil and raised something closer to $10mil. :clapping
Whaaaaaaaat!
I wonder if they'll keep the running total under wraps on the night until the end (we might raise more than $6 mill!)
Was thinking that too. Imagine we get past $6 mil and raised something closer to $10mil. :clapping
Thats what should happen $6 million isnt enough. $8 million to $10 million sets up the club so that it doesnt have to do this again. $1.5 million from 1 person is amazing if its true.
3aw just said before one individual has donated $1.5m tonight :o
WP just txted me and said the new building is amazing.
Group photo with players in tomorrow's Age.
Good stuff Danog :thumbsupWP just txted me and said the new building is amazing.
Group photo with players in tomorrow's Age.
Here's a low quality version.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/259100963.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1300354432&Signature=g2i5S6YKEIwCPjOZvaUpFtbtW9w%3D)
http://twitpic.com/4a9fkz
3aw just said before one individual has donated $1.5m tonight :o
3aw just said before one individual has donated $1.5m tonight :o
dumb question but are these donations going to be made public. If so OE can we get an update from WP if that rumour about 1.5 Mil is correct.I've tweeted RFCO about it. Dopey me didn't realise my mobile needed refilling of $ so I can only receive messages from WP.
If so i have that is unbelievable news...Good stuff.
Cotch at the Gala tonight will be on SEN at around 9.40pm.
Other than those who have given cheques the donations during the night haven't started yet.
Players have just arrived in the social club
$250K from players, board and staff according to WP :thumbsup
$250K from players, board and staff according to WP :thumbsup
3aw just said before one individual has donated $1.5m tonight :o
$250K from players, board and staff according to WP :thumbsup
$250K from players, board and staff according to WP :thumbsupGreat stuff! :clapping
Other than those who have given cheques the donations during the night haven't started yet.
Players have just arrived in the social club
Are you at the event Inf or are you getting updates?
The plan for the funds raised is a 50-50 split between debt reduction and infrastructure spend, not debt first and then infrastructurethey must be aiming for 8-9 mil then?
KB speaking now
The plan for the funds raised is a 50-50 split between debt reduction and infrastructure spend, not debt first and then infrastructurethey must be aiming for 8-9 mil then?
KB speaking now
Players are still in their team meeting so that's why Cotch hasn't been on yet.
The Boys are on stage being interviewed at the moment. Cotch will be on SEN as soon as that is finished.Bloody Scots, put some money in your phone :rollin
So far or is that the final tally?Raised tonight
I was hoping for more than 2.3 mill...I tried to ring that number - it would have been if they answered the phone :help
So far or is that the final tally?So far or is that the final tally?Raised tonight
if 1 person donated 1-1.5mill + the 3k x200 guests, then I find that figure a little dissapointingMaybe that donation will be saved to the end of the night
I'm figuring that was raised tonightSo far or is that the final tally?So far or is that the final tally?Raised tonight
if 1 person donated 1-1.5mill + the 3k x200 guests, then I find that figure a little dissapointing
if 1 person donated 1-1.5mill + the 3k x200 guests, then I find that figure a little dissapointing
I'm figuring that was raised tonight
Text message said:
2.3 mil 2night
There was an anonymous donation from a group of $1.08 million. This brought the total to $2.3G but I'm not sure if that includes the $250k from players and board.If the players figure isn't included then $2.3m + $250k from players/staff/board + $220k raised already is getting the tally up close to $3m. Not a bad start.
I've asked the question, but no answer as of yet
I'm figuring that was raised tonight
Text message said:
2.3 mil 2night
what we're trying to say is are the donations over for the evening or are they still coming in?
Give the crowd more alcohol and then blank cheques to sign ;D
Looks like we don't have that many wealthy supporters like some other clubs. I think some of the posts hoping for 10 million was crazy talk.I remember 20 years ago it took a month to raise a million
I would have thought knocking of half the debt would be a great achievement.
Thankful for the dough but considering there was a rumour of a 1.5 million dollar donation early on it paved the way for some optimism that we may eradicate the debt in one hit and have some left over to go to the local milk bar and get some mixed lollies!
Mixed lollies aint as cheap as they used to be 20 years ago either :screamYeah, I've been meaning to write to the ACCC over that lol
Thankful for the dough but considering there was a rumour of a 1.5 million dollar donation early on it paved the way for some optimism that we may eradicate the debt in one hit and have some left over to go to the local milk bar and get some mixed lollies!
Mixed lollies aint as cheap as they used to be 20 years ago either :scream
i guess you just wonder if this is meant to be THE night, where will the rest come from?
I reckon the club will be disappointed at least internally, externally they will say its a great start and the rest, but if the rich and powerful supporters can only come up with $2.3 million then we will have a real challenge to get to $6 million.
Sounds like the pledges have finished as they were done all at once according to Infamy.The million dollar donation came from a anonymous benefactors group with a major chunk coming from one individual.
The FTF tally is now $2.5m after starting the night at $200k.
Brayshaw was impressed as he was saying it (and probably envious as well).
So is it still going?
Firstly they did a mock commentary of the 2014 Grand Final done by BT (and someone else I don't remember). Obviously it was meant to get the emotions stirring, but they did it with the players in the room and it felt a bit weird to me. If they were going to do it they should have done it without the players there. For the record they had Astbury taking a mark on the siren from Griffiths' kick and kicking the goal to win the flag. If it comes true, ask whoever wrote the script for the following week's tattslotto numbers.
Next was the donations process on the night. Having everyone stand up to show how much they were donating I thought wasn't great. Pretty much half the room sat down after the first round at $3k and almost everyone else after the $5k mark. This kinda reinforces my belief that they should have been offering more incentives for people to donate at certain increments. Those that donate $19k get the same as someone who donated $5k. The reason I didn't like this bidding process is two fold. Those bowing out early look bad and those still standing at the end are posing a bit. I have much more respect that donate large sums without needing to stand up in front of the crowd for acknowledgement. Perhaps this was done to try and pressure people into donating more, but I wonder if it had the opposite effect. There was also a bit of confusion on the bidding process in regards to whether it was on top of your existing donation (if you had one) or including it... I included it.
Also other than the existing incentives for donation levels, there was nothing on the night to try and get people to part with their money except for the old TAC jumper signed by 25 of the Richmond great and this went for $7000. I would have thought on a night which is trying to generate money that there would be a lot more things to try and generate donations than just this one big bidding process thorugh a keypad. Sure selling the future of the club is one thing, but I think more should have been done to try and give people more of a reason to part with their money. Something could have come up that people wanted more than the incentives that you already know you get for your donation.
I still think the club should be doing more to try and encourage more donations of the $500-3000 range. The handful of big donations are great, but it only would take 1500 donations of $2000 to wipe out the remaining $3 million.
Oh and one last point, other than the players I felt like I was by far the youngest in the room. Very old crowd there, but I guess that is to be expected.
If the club has only reached 2.3 million in the fighting fund and the supporters had already raised $200k, the board $200k, and the players $125k, that means that only $1.775 million was raised last night from the supposed luminaries, the rich and others. PS - Just reported on SEN only $1.5 million raised last night.only a tiger could put down 1.775 million minimum of free $$. ::) :wallywink
If the club has only reached 2.3 million in the fighting fund and the supporters had already raised $200k, the board $200k, and the players $125k, that means that only $1.775 million was raised last night from the supposed luminaries, the rich and others. PS - Just reported on SEN only $1.5 million raised last night.only a tiger could put down 1.775 million minimum of free $$. ::) :wallywink
Just remember the article said understood so who knows what tom, Dick and harry made the figure and what clauses are in the contract for extra payments.If the club has only reached 2.3 million in the fighting fund and the supporters had already raised $200k, the board $200k, and the players $125k, that means that only $1.775 million was raised last night from the supposed luminaries, the rich and others. PS - Just reported on SEN only $1.5 million raised last night.only a tiger could put down 1.775 million minimum of free $$. ::) :wallywink
I wasn't putting anyone or anything down, having this money is better than not having it and its a good start but the club would have been hoping for double the amount raised, even though they will deny it- as they should!
PS - Im more concerned with the reported $850k from Chrysler/Jeep. Theres no way we can compete with other big clubs if we're so far behind in terms of the cash we get from our major sponsors.
Given the Queensland & Vic floods, Christchurch earthquake & Japan earthquake all looking for donations, I think it makes this contribution even more impressive. These are things the club couldn't control.Precisely, great effort :thumbsup
Yes it was very male dominated. I'm 32 and while I didn't walk around the room it appeared that all were 40+Oh and one last point, other than the players I felt like I was by far the youngest in the room. Very old crowd there, but I guess that is to be expected.Steady on I thought I was one of the youngest in the room. Actually I didn't think the crowd was that old; what I was surprised about was there wasn't many ladies there last night.... Seems the blokes left the partners at home at a 2 x $3k I am not surprised ;D
Yes it was very male dominated. I'm 32 and while I didn't walk around the room it appeared that all were 40+
I realise that, but it appeared other than myself that that was about the youngest age in the room. Definitely more in the 55+ bracket.Yes it was very male dominated. I'm 32 and while I didn't walk around the room it appeared that all were 40+
40+ aint old ;D
Trust me :thumbsup
this isnt a one off, this is a year long strategy.
just cant seem to please some. :sleep
Yes well you would think those with more senior positions with thoae dollars to spare would be 40+.I realise that, but it appeared other than myself that that was about the youngest age in the room. Definitely more in the 55+ bracket.Yes it was very male dominated. I'm 32 and while I didn't walk around the room it appeared that all were 40+
40+ aint old ;D
Trust me :thumbsup
If the club has only reached 2.3 million in the fighting fund and the supporters had already raised $200k, the board $200k, and the players $125k, that means that only $1.775 million was raised last night from the supposed luminaries, the rich and others. PS - Just reported on SEN only $1.5 million raised last night.only a tiger could put down 1.775 million minimum of free $$. ::) :wallywink
I agree, that's why I wrote it was to be expected. Just one of the things I noticed, that's all.Yes well you would think those with more senior positions with thoae dollars to spare would be 40+.I realise that, but it appeared other than myself that that was about the youngest age in the room. Definitely more in the 55+ bracket.Yes it was very male dominated. I'm 32 and while I didn't walk around the room it appeared that all were 40+
40+ aint old ;D
Trust me :thumbsup
[KB's speech was the the most inspirational one I have heard since Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream"
spine tingling stuff
If the club has only reached 2.3 million in the fighting fund and the supporters had already raised $200k, the board $200k, and the players $125k, that means that only $1.775 million was raised last night from the supposed luminaries, the rich and others. PS - Just reported on SEN only $1.5 million raised last night.only a tiger could put down 1.775 million minimum of free $$. ::) :wallywink
absolutely spot on.
The club has raised $2.5 million it never had last night, yet some arent happy.
It was an amazing effort and an amazing night.
KB's speech was the the most inspirational one I have heard since Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream"
spine tingling stuff
If the club has only reached 2.3 million in the fighting fund and the supporters had already raised $200k, the board $200k, and the players $125k, that means that only $1.775 million was raised last night from the supposed luminaries, the rich and others. PS - Just reported on SEN only $1.5 million raised last night.only a tiger could put down 1.775 million minimum of free $$. ::) :wallywink
absolutely spot on.
The club has raised $2.5 million it never had last night, yet some arent happy.
It was an amazing effort and an amazing night.
KB's speech was the the most inspirational one I have heard since Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream"
spine tingling stuff
You two blokes are having a lend of us all! You can you also stop taking my post out of context. I have clearly said that the money raised last night was a good start but that we have a long way to go and that there are people at the club who expected much more to be pledged.
I dont have any problem with what happened yesterday and Id appreciate it if you didnt take my quotes out of context. My only concern is with the numbers being quoted in regards to the Jeep sponsorship. On that issue, yes you can say that I am not pleased or happy with that result because that would be true but this other stuff your spouting about my views on the fighting fund result last night is simply not correct and you know that. :cheers
If the club has only reached 2.3 million in the fighting fund and the supporters had already raised $200k, the board $200k, and the players $125k, that means that only $1.775 million was raised last night from the supposed luminaries, the rich and others. PS - Just reported on SEN only $1.5 million raised last night.only a tiger could put down 1.775 million minimum of free $$. ::) :wallywink
absolutely spot on.
The club has raised $2.5 million it never had last night, yet some arent happy.
It was an amazing effort and an amazing night.
KB's speech was the the most inspirational one I have heard since Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream"
spine tingling stuff
You two blokes are having a lend of us all! You can you also stop taking my post out of context. I have clearly said that the money raised last night was a good start but that we have a long way to go and that there are people at the club who expected much more to be pledged.
I dont have any problem with what happened yesterday and Id appreciate it if you didnt take my quotes out of context. My only concern is with the numbers being quoted in regards to the Jeep sponsorship. On that issue, yes you can say that I am not pleased or happy with that result because that would be true but this other stuff your spouting about my views on the fighting fund result last night is simply not correct and you know that. :cheers
Gee I am really glad you don't have a problem with what happened yesterday, god forbid you would.
We raised $2.5 million dollars. I dont think people understand how amazing that actually is. The club has $2.5 m it didnt have , what a proud and passionate fan base we have, we should all be proud of that, and not denigrating it in any way.
It is very easy to sit behind a keyboard and take pot shots and "be dissapointed" in people who give their life to the club.
The sponsorship money coming into the club will be at least 10% more than what it was last year. 5 new major corporate sponsors were unearthed.
In the prevailing economic climate and the fact that we are the worst performed club in the afl in the last 30 years, I would say that it was an outstanding result.
TBenny Gale has been sent to richmond from God
In Ben we trust
If the club has only reached 2.3 million in the fighting fund and the supporters had already raised $200k, the board $200k, and the players $125k, that means that only $1.775 million was raised last night from the supposed luminaries, the rich and others. PS - Just reported on SEN only $1.5 million raised last night.only a tiger could put down 1.775 million minimum of free $$. ::) :wallywink
absolutely spot on.
The club has raised $2.5 million it never had last night, yet some arent happy.
It was an amazing effort and an amazing night.
KB's speech was the the most inspirational one I have heard since Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream"
spine tingling stuff
You two blokes are having a lend of us all! You can you also stop taking my post out of context. I have clearly said that the money raised last night was a good start but that we have a long way to go and that there are people at the club who expected much more to be pledged.
I dont have any problem with what happened yesterday and Id appreciate it if you didnt take my quotes out of context. My only concern is with the numbers being quoted in regards to the Jeep sponsorship. On that issue, yes you can say that I am not pleased or happy with that result because that would be true but this other stuff your spouting about my views on the fighting fund result last night is simply not correct and you know that. :cheers
Gee I am really glad you don't have a problem with what happened yesterday, god forbid you would.
We raised $2.5 million dollars. I dont think people understand how amazing that actually is. The club has $2.5 m it didnt have , what a proud and passionate fan base we have, we should all be proud of that, and not denigrating it in any way.
It is very easy to sit behind a keyboard and take pot shots and "be dissapointed" in people who give their life to the club.
The sponsorship money coming into the club will be at least 10% more than what it was last year. 5 new major corporate sponsors were unearthed.
In the prevailing economic climate and the fact that we are the worst performed club in the afl in the last 30 years, I would say that it was an outstanding result.
TBenny Gale has been sent to richmond from God
In Ben we trust
I haven't said that raising 2.3 million in one month isnt amazing Blaisee. I agree with you about the supporter base. No one has denigrated anything and you know it. I have not taken pot shots from the cheap seats today and I havent said Im disappointed in anyone. Those are your words not mine. Although Im interested in this view you have of " people who give their life to the club" Who are these people? If 10% is the net rise in sponsorship income then its good although again I expected it to be higher. And finally yes times are tough, yes weve been poo for 30 years but we are still Richmond, we are still a big club with a huge supporter base and I cant support the view that we should be lowering expectations, lowering ambition or anything else. And one more thing, one of our big problems has been this messiah type syndrome that has enveloped Richmond. I respect Brendon Gale, I believe he's doing a top job but saying things like hes been sent to Richmond from God is well and truly over the top.
im sure the total will double soon. :rollin
im sure the total will double soon. :rollin
Did you win Powerball or something :lol
im sure the total will double soon. :rollin
Did you win Powerball or something :lol
so you dont think we are able to double that total.
considering the shift in professionalism within the Punt rd
i would expect us to reach this target and perhaps even exceed
our target.
if one group of wealthy supporters are able to raise over 1m
im sure several others will be seen to be doing the same. :thumbsup
So a rough guessimate of the breakdown is ....
220,000 ............ supporters' donations (pre-gala night)
600,000 ............ gala attendees' entrance donations (200 people x $3000)
1,080,000 ............ anonymous benefactors group' donation
250,000 ............ board, staff and players' donations
150,000 ............ remainder of combined gala night donations (in excess of $3000 entry)
----------------------
2,300,000
I realised that blaisee. I just put it that way roughly to get to the tally we have now.So a rough guessimate of the breakdown is ....
220,000 ............ supporters' donations (pre-gala night)
600,000 ............ gala attendees' entrance donations (200 people x $3000)
1,080,000 ............ anonymous benefactors group' donation
250,000 ............ board, staff and players' donations
150,000 ............ remainder of combined gala night donations (in excess of $3000 entry)
----------------------
2,300,000
it wasnt a ticket of 3k to come, there were no tickets.
It was just an expectation that each person that attended would contribute a minimum of 3k. Some contributed more, some contributed 3k
A bit disappointing that it seems the gala night didn't get a mention on either Seven or Nine newses as I was flicking between them. At least Ch 10 showed some decent vision of the night including KB and Neville Crowe sitting together and having what looked like a good friendly chat. Good to see any old differences finally put to bed for the good of the Club :).
Ramps i think we done well considering where we are as a club, and world events.Benny Gale is the new Greame Richmond maybe even better :gotigers
A win in Rd 1 and IMO the money will come. i will donate another few hundred if we top the Blues and thats just me. Im sure there are a hell of a lot of people waiting to see if we can show something this year before digging into our pockets.
Gale should be commended for what he has one so far. I always said recruit him and we well on our way.
I think Gale's vision for our club is better than anyone we have had at the club before
win a few games would be a good plan
David King on 3aw just said $2.3m is a touch disappointing. Dwayne Russell replied it's still pretty good although Richmond were expecting about $2.5 - 3.0 million on the night. Russell then said 3aw got word last night of a $1.5m donation but it turned out it was $1m instead. King then acted as though a $1m donation wasn't such a big a deal for such a event ??? and Russell said you don't knock someone writing a seven figure cheque.
A bit disappointing that it seems the gala night didn't get a mention on either Seven or Nine newses as I was flicking between them. At least Ch 10 showed some decent vision of the night including KB and Neville Crowe sitting together and having what looked like a good friendly chat. Good to see any old differences finally put to bed for the good of the Club :).
So is this money immediately being thrown on the debt? They should, as we will save ourselves 2-300k in interest immediately.
It has been reported by a couple people that were in attendance on the night that the Club will put 50% into the Football Department and 50% to service the debt.
Big footy have a bit of a good fundraiser going:-
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=72dcf098805dd3cba78d19aa50c8fe25&t=796828&page=12
Basically, you nominate what ever you want to donate, but tie it to our performance over the year. Eg:-
$10 per win, $5 per cotch brownlow vote, 20c per tuck kick etc etc.
We havent really done anything as a group yet.
Wondering if people would be interested?
eff it, why not.?
considering we should keep our expectations low in terms of wins though, personally i think per win is not such such a good idea. I'm sure we can be more imaginative than that.
I'll kick start it.
$10 for every time we do better than a 5 goal loss.
$2.00 for each brad miller goal ;D
and the real long shot - $1000 if mitch morton wins the brownlow.
eff it, why not.?
considering we should keep our expectations low in terms of wins though, personally i think per win is not such such a good idea. I'm sure we can be more imaginative than that.
I'll kick start it.
$10 for every time we do better than a 5 goal loss.
$2.00 for each brad miller goal ;D
and the real long shot - $1000 if mitch morton wins the brownlow.
eff it, why not.?
considering we should keep our expectations low in terms of wins though, personally i think per win is not such such a good idea. I'm sure we can be more imaginative than that.
I'll kick start it.
$10 for every time we do better than a 5 goal loss.
$2.00 for each brad miller goal ;D
and the real long shot - $1000 if mitch morton wins the brownlow.
I take it you are including Coburg games? ;D
Before this can be done, can the powers that be confirm they can set up a bsb number that we can pay into?
$2000 if Jack wins the coleman
$3000 if we play finals
$2000 if Jack wins the coleman
$3000 if we play finals
why dont u just eff off mate
I'm a uni student so the numbers will be a bit less for me. :P
20c for each Will Thursfield kick. ;D
I'm a uni student so the numbers will be a bit less for me. :P
20c for each Will Thursfield kick. ;D
ok you're a uni student and understandably funds are tight (been there done that!) but the thursfield stat is tightbehind central even for a student! LOL :lol
Buy 1 less coffee this season and you'll still probably see some change out of it ;D
$2000 if Jack wins the colemanWhat odds did you get?
$3000 if we play finals
why dont u just eff off mate
i thought you were back at school? :lol effing 15 year old :thumbsup
why dont u just eff off mate
i thought you were back at school? :lol effing 15 year old :thumbsup
Do you have any idea 'who I am'? :-*
Wait a second - Who is this? >:(
Too many 15 year olds bringing down standards on this site :police:
Wait a second - Who is this? >:(
Too many 15 year olds bringing down standards on this site :police:
Good point
Back to the topic people :thumbsup
Wait a second - Who is this? >:(
Too many 15 year olds bringing down standards on this site :police:
Good point
Back to the topic people :thumbsup
You put up with it.
:bow
I'll go a $1 for every goal
Updated today to $2.46 million.
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals/0/richmond_docs/ftf2804.jpg)
I'll go a $1 for every goalTally: $13
BTW I think our new major sponsor Jeep could help us here - a nice raffle prize is the go I reckon
i dunno, but I reckon a 200 farrle ticket is pretty steep. i have already donated a decent whack...and would be prepared to spend up to 50 on a raffle ticket but 200 is a fair ask. Not sure how they'll go on that one
Did anyone get a FTF survey in their email today? The Club says the FTF is now more than $2.6 million.
How did we go raising money at the Carlton game? Nothing has been mentioned in the wake of that debacle. Couple of half eaten cold pies? I thought that was one of the big days for the FTF.... :nope
$3 million by seasons end would be a good result.
Halfway mark? Is that right?
$3 million by seasons end would be a good result.
Halfway mark? Is that right?
Yeah launched late Feb
I still reckon they will struggle to get the $6mil now because of what's happened in the last 8-9 weeks. Really hope I am wrong
$3 million by seasons end would be a good result.
Halfway mark? Is that right?
Yeah launched late Feb
I still reckon they will struggle to get the $6mil now because of what's happened in the last 8-9 weeks. Really hope I am wrong
Final FTF push
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 22 May, 2012
Richmond is now about to embark on the significant final phase of its push to reach the target. The upcoming Fighting Tiger Fund function, on Saturday, June 2, will be a major driving factor in achieving this.
Club players and coaching staff will be in attendance on what shapes as a pivotal night in Tigerland history, with the opportunity to finish the job that was started last year, and return Richmond to the path leading to greatness.
So far, in excess of $3.2 million has been pledged, which means the Club is more than halfway towards its overall objective of $6 million.
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/136576/default.aspx
Final FTF push
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 22 May, 2012
Richmond is now about to embark on the significant final phase of its push to reach the target. The upcoming Fighting Tiger Fund function, on Saturday, June 2, will be a major driving factor in achieving this.
Club players and coaching staff will be in attendance on what shapes as a pivotal night in Tigerland history, with the opportunity to finish the job that was started last year, and return Richmond to the path leading to greatness.
So far, in excess of $3.2 million has been pledged, which means the Club is more than halfway towards its overall objective of $6 million.
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/136576/default.aspx
Lets wipe that debt clean on June 2! :gotigers :gotigers
So when will we be debt free?
If we raise the $6 mil then any remaining debt should be gone within 12 months IMHO. Cash savings in interest payments frees up cash to retire debt.
Acctg 105 :cheers ;D
1/2 of $6M target equals $3M
$4.5M minus $3M leaves $1.5M
Annual Interest payments on $4.5M was $300K.
$1.5M divided by $300K equals 5 years.
Basic arithmetic :cheers :bow
If we raise the $6 mil then any remaining debt should be gone within 12 months IMHO. Cash savings in interest payments frees up cash to retire debt.
Acctg 105 :cheers ;D
1/2 of $6M target equals $3M
$4.5M minus $3M leaves $1.5M
Annual Interest payments on $4.5M was $300K.
$1.5M divided by $300K equals 5 years.
Basic arithmetic :cheers :bow
If we raise the $6 mil then any remaining debt should be gone within 12 months IMHO. Cash savings in interest payments frees up cash to retire debt.
Acctg 105 :cheers ;D
Prior to the FTF the club paid down $500k of the debt and was paying approx $300k of interest.
Increased cash flows from increased revenues should mean your target is to pay off the debt sooner rather than later
BTW see that you and al are also :wallywink for claiming a $300K figure.
..front end contracts so we could pay 100 per cent of the salary cap so we were in a good position for free agency which we now are.says to me it was meant we could protect our interests rather than poach anyone else, initially anyway.
What's amazing is that this thread was started at 1am and has already had 60 views. There are tigers roaming everywhere!!! :shh
yep they are doing a fair bit right at last.
yep they are doing a fair bit right at last. would like some extra money go into recruiting and list management. matt rendell to go with jackson who imo has only been average.
at least someone who can keep an eye on craig cameron if not replace him when it comes to list management.. some of his re-signings have been mind boggling.
What's amazing is that this thread was started at 1am and has already had 60 views. There are tigers roaming everywhere!!! :shh
whoa :shh
quite easily hes only been average in fact his success rate with 2nd and third round picks is appalling.yep they are doing a fair bit right at last. would like some extra money go into recruiting and list management. matt rendell to go with jackson who imo has only been average.
How can you say Jackson has "Only been average"?? 13 kids of the 22 that played on the weekend Jackson had a hand in recruiting, the other 9 are all that's left from an era of badly handled trades and Bungled draft picks. The Core of this club going forward is based around Jacksons picks and considering most of them are aged 24 and under it would be hard to see our list going backwards from here :huh
If we win a Flag in the next 5 years you will only have Jackson to thank but I supose that still wont be good enough for some :help
lol im berated for being too negative and when you acknowledge they have got a bit right you are berated. ah well theres no pleasing some.yep they are doing a fair bit right at last.
I think you should contact the club and let them know this. I'm sure it would be a massive sigh of relief!
sheesh only 13 of 22 after 7 yrs with very early picks all yrs and we have opnly 13. lol at that rate perhaps we can look forward to gf in 2020.
quite easily hes only been average in fact his success rate with 2nd and third round picks is appalling.yep they are doing a fair bit right at last. would like some extra money go into recruiting and list management. matt rendell to go with jackson who imo has only been average.
How can you say Jackson has "Only been average"?? 13 kids of the 22 that played on the weekend Jackson had a hand in recruiting, the other 9 are all that's left from an era of badly handled trades and Bungled draft picks. The Core of this club going forward is based around Jacksons picks and considering most of them are aged 24 and under it would be hard to see our list going backwards from here :huh
If we win a Flag in the next 5 years you will only have Jackson to thank but I supose that still wont be good enough for some :help
the only area that saves him as far as nd picks go is the 1st rounders its an area even you would get right 90% of the time.
05 - none left only matt white a dud whos a psd pick.
06 - riewoldt the only proven consistent player from that draft. edwards has been ordinary and should be cut at 26 with his weaknesses that pick is a fail. connors probably gone hardly done a thing in 6 yrs.
07- cotchin pick 2 only utter idiots and there werent many had him not at 2 behind kruezer. rance is a decent player and continues to improve he is nowhere near as good as our supporters make him out to be but a pass.
08 - vickery at 8 has not established himself in fact hes been deplorable id go so far as to question if he will make it. post well hes in the gun and may even be cut has done nothing to date other than show glimpses.
09 - martin another one even you would have got. there were 4 montys we did the obvious and got one. griffiths at 19 has played one good game in 2 1/2 yrs. had injury there is no way hes a consistent proven player yet. we took him to fill a forward need on that basis to date this pick is a failure. so its potential you rate him on.
astbury a bit like griffiths not done a thing but like hundreds of other kids has shown the odd glimpse of potential. had injury and like griffiths to early to call either way.
dea is another is not proven is not doing a lot atm but has potential. webberley probably gone come seasons end. do we really expect these kids to have made it yet though.
ive said this on numerous posts to rate jackson you should only go up to 08. 2 1/2 yrs is a bit early to be judging his picks. thats just being fair to jackson and the kids he picked. 7 nd picks in 09 two and a half yrs in you would expect the majority to still be there unless we totally blew it. 5 of 7 are there and 3 maybe 4 look the goods.
wont even go look at 10 and 11 except to say theres likely 3 you can pencil in.
jacksons been there since 05 cameron sinse 07 its been one step forward and one step back with these two they have got just as much wrong as right if not more and it has dramatically slowed our progress.
when i judge jackson i judge him from 05 to 08 there are just 7 players left from those drafts and 4 of them look ordinary atm.
sheesh only 13 of 22 after 7 yrs with very early picks all yrs and we have opnly 13. lol at that rate perhaps we can look forward to gf in 2020.
quite easily hes only been average in fact his success rate with 2nd and third round picks is appalling.yep they are doing a fair bit right at last. would like some extra money go into recruiting and list management. matt rendell to go with jackson who imo has only been average.
How can you say Jackson has "Only been average"?? 13 kids of the 22 that played on the weekend Jackson had a hand in recruiting, the other 9 are all that's left from an era of badly handled trades and Bungled draft picks. The Core of this club going forward is based around Jacksons picks and considering most of them are aged 24 and under it would be hard to see our list going backwards from here :huh
If we win a Flag in the next 5 years you will only have Jackson to thank but I supose that still wont be good enough for some :help
the only area that saves him as far as nd picks go is the 1st rounders its an area even you would get right 90% of the time.
05 - none left only matt white a dud whos a psd pick.
06 - riewoldt the only proven consistent player from that draft. edwards has been ordinary and should be cut at 26 with his weaknesses that pick is a fail. connors probably gone hardly done a thing in 6 yrs.
07- cotchin pick 2 only utter idiots and there werent many had him not at 2 behind kruezer. rance is a decent player and continues to improve he is nowhere near as good as our supporters make him out to be but a pass.
08 - vickery at 8 has not established himself in fact hes been deplorable id go so far as to question if he will make it. post well hes in the gun and may even be cut has done nothing to date other than show glimpses.
09 - martin another one even you would have got. there were 4 montys we did the obvious and got one. griffiths at 19 has played one good game in 2 1/2 yrs. had injury there is no way hes a consistent proven player yet. we took him to fill a forward need on that basis to date this pick is a failure. so its potential you rate him on.
astbury a bit like griffiths not done a thing but like hundreds of other kids has shown the odd glimpse of potential. had injury and like griffiths to early to call either way.
dea is another is not proven is not doing a lot atm but has potential. webberley probably gone come seasons end. do we really expect these kids to have made it yet though.
ive said this on numerous posts to rate jackson you should only go up to 08. 2 1/2 yrs is a bit early to be judging his picks. thats just being fair to jackson and the kids he picked. 7 nd picks in 09 two and a half yrs in you would expect the majority to still be there unless we totally blew it. 5 of 7 are there and 3 maybe 4 look the goods.
wont even go look at 10 and 11 except to say theres likely 3 you can pencil in.
jacksons been there since 05 cameron sinse 07 its been one step forward and one step back with these two they have got just as much wrong as right if not more and it has dramatically slowed our progress.
when i judge jackson i judge him from 05 to 08 there are just 7 players left from those drafts and 4 of them look ordinary atm.
sheesh only 13 of 22 after 7 yrs with very early picks all yrs and we have opnly 13. lol at that rate perhaps we can look forward to gf in 2020.
Bloody tough on Jackson including the '05 draft given that he was only assisting the recruiting dept on a part time basis at the time. Was appointed full time Recruiting Manager in Feb '06 so in all fairness you should remove all reference to '05 from his CV. And FWIW I think he has been one of the better recruiters in the league since he came on full time. His ratio of hits and misses is at the top end of his peer group and the quality/number of his successful selections seem to be holding up with each passing year. If you want to pass judgment on him as substandard or a failure, or even rate his results compared to his peers adversely, then you must acknowledge the culpability of the club in his early years, given the lack of funds and personnel support he had up until 2010. IMHO he is one of the reasons why this club is showing all the signs of being on the track to sustained success.
Bloody tough on Jackson including the '05 draft given that he was only assisting the recruiting dept on a part time basis at the time. Was appointed full time Recruiting Manager in Feb '06 so in all fairness you should remove all reference to '05 from his CV.
ha ha. So true. He made a real blunder there.Bloody tough on Jackson including the '05 draft given that he was only assisting the recruiting dept on a part time basis at the time. Was appointed full time Recruiting Manager in Feb '06 so in all fairness you should remove all reference to '05 from his CV.
Heard that excuse a LOT and it still sounds like crap.
He was the Recruiter but shouldn't be judged on his recruiting?
Especially as a part timer one would think you look at AIS lists OR State Lists OR All Australian lists.
No, you totally overlook AIS members, All Australians and State Captains in Hurn and Swallow and recommend this bloke at pick 8: Jarrod Oakley-Nichols
Another lot of piffle from claw, everyone gets first rounders right hey, yeah right,
Exhibit A tigers pre jackson
Exhibit B some of hawthorns howlers, thorp muston dowler ellis
Exhibit C melbourne, howzabout the two slected before martin...but hey everyone gets them right :lol
Bloody tough on Jackson including the '05 draft given that he was only assisting the recruiting dept on a part time basis at the time. Was appointed full time Recruiting Manager in Feb '06 so in all fairness you should remove all reference to '05 from his CV.
Heard that excuse a LOT and it still sounds like crap.
He was the Recruiter but shouldn't be judged on his recruiting?
Especially as a part timer one would think you look at AIS lists OR State Lists OR All Australian lists.
No, you totally overlook AIS members, All Australians and State Captains in Hurn and Swallow and recommend this bloke at pick 8: Jarrod Oakley-Nichols
Bloody tough on Jackson including the '05 draft given that he was only assisting the recruiting dept on a part time basis at the time. Was appointed full time Recruiting Manager in Feb '06 so in all fairness you should remove all reference to '05 from his CV.
Heard that excuse a LOT and it still sounds like crap.
He was the Recruiter but shouldn't be judged on his recruiting?
Especially as a part timer one would think you look at AIS lists OR State Lists OR All Australian lists.
No, you totally overlook AIS members, All Australians and State Captains in Hurn and Swallow and recommend this bloke at pick 8: Jarrod Oakley-Nichols
Bloody tough on Jackson including the '05 draft given that he was only assisting the recruiting dept on a part time basis at the time. Was appointed full time Recruiting Manager in Feb '06 so in all fairness you should remove all reference to '05 from his CV.
Heard that excuse a LOT and it still sounds like crap.
He was the Recruiter but shouldn't be judged on his recruiting?
Especially as a part timer one would think you look at AIS lists OR State Lists OR All Australian lists.
No, you totally overlook AIS members, All Australians and State Captains in Hurn and Swallow and recommend this bloke at pick 8: Jarrod Oakley-Nichols
A was a miller special iv heard, but stand to be corrected
he was bought in in 05 to assist with recruiting even though he was only doing part time for the rfc.quite easily hes only been average in fact his success rate with 2nd and third round picks is appalling.yep they are doing a fair bit right at last. would like some extra money go into recruiting and list management. matt rendell to go with jackson who imo has only been average.
How can you say Jackson has "Only been average"?? 13 kids of the 22 that played on the weekend Jackson had a hand in recruiting, the other 9 are all that's left from an era of badly handled trades and Bungled draft picks. The Core of this club going forward is based around Jacksons picks and considering most of them are aged 24 and under it would be hard to see our list going backwards from here :huh
If we win a Flag in the next 5 years you will only have Jackson to thank but I supose that still wont be good enough for some :help
the only area that saves him as far as nd picks go is the 1st rounders its an area even you would get right 90% of the time.
05 - none left only matt white a dud whos a psd pick.
06 - riewoldt the only proven consistent player from that draft. edwards has been ordinary and should be cut at 26 with his weaknesses that pick is a fail. connors probably gone hardly done a thing in 6 yrs.
07- cotchin pick 2 only utter idiots and there werent many had him not at 2 behind kruezer. rance is a decent player and continues to improve he is nowhere near as good as our supporters make him out to be but a pass.
08 - vickery at 8 has not established himself in fact hes been deplorable id go so far as to question if he will make it. post well hes in the gun and may even be cut has done nothing to date other than show glimpses.
09 - martin another one even you would have got. there were 4 montys we did the obvious and got one. griffiths at 19 has played one good game in 2 1/2 yrs. had injury there is no way hes a consistent proven player yet. we took him to fill a forward need on that basis to date this pick is a failure. so its potential you rate him on.
astbury a bit like griffiths not done a thing but like hundreds of other kids has shown the odd glimpse of potential. had injury and like griffiths to early to call either way.
dea is another is not proven is not doing a lot atm but has potential. webberley probably gone come seasons end. do we really expect these kids to have made it yet though.
ive said this on numerous posts to rate jackson you should only go up to 08. 2 1/2 yrs is a bit early to be judging his picks. thats just being fair to jackson and the kids he picked. 7 nd picks in 09 two and a half yrs in you would expect the majority to still be there unless we totally blew it. 5 of 7 are there and 3 maybe 4 look the goods.
wont even go look at 10 and 11 except to say theres likely 3 you can pencil in.
jacksons been there since 05 cameron sinse 07 its been one step forward and one step back with these two they have got just as much wrong as right if not more and it has dramatically slowed our progress.
when i judge jackson i judge him from 05 to 08 there are just 7 players left from those drafts and 4 of them look ordinary atm.
sheesh only 13 of 22 after 7 yrs with very early picks all yrs and we have opnly 13. lol at that rate perhaps we can look forward to gf in 2020.
Bloody tough on Jackson including the '05 draft given that he was only assisting the recruiting dept on a part time basis at the time. Was appointed full time Recruiting Manager in Feb '06 so in all fairness you should remove all reference to '05 from his CV. And FWIW I think he has been one of the better recruiters in the league since he came on full time. His ratio of hits and misses is at the top end of his peer group and the quality/number of his successful selections seem to be holding up with each passing year. If you want to pass judgment on him as substandard or a failure, or even rate his results compared to his peers adversely, then you must acknowledge the culpability of the club in his early years, given the lack of funds and personnel support he had up until 2010. IMHO he is one of the reasons why this club is showing all the signs of being on the track to sustained success.
Francis Jackson has also learnt the caper as time has gone on. No different to any other job. It is rare that someone comes in from day 1 and stars unless he was a star elsewhere.
Just like our players, coaches, administrators and the like are learning form their mistakes, so is Francis. And isn't that all we can expect?
You're doing a great job mate. Keep it up!
at the end of the day you will defend his record becausse hes at richmond me i will be critical because i think over all hes been pretty average.
his first rnd picks are
05 - jon fail and this was his pick. i know for a fact greg miller wanted varcoe at 5 so theres no blaming him.
Francis Jackson has also learnt the caper as time has gone on. No different to any other job. It is rare that someone comes in from day 1 and stars unless he was a star elsewhere.
Just like our players, coaches, administrators and the like are learning form their mistakes, so is Francis. And isn't that all we can expect?
You're doing a great job mate. Keep it up!
Spot on and a point not discussed ot acknowledged up to this point. CC, BH and FJ are developing metrics and ratings system that take much of the "guesswork" out of the process. Some of this is league wide practise, some of it is RFC IP. (Note: Some clubs aren't anywhere near as scientific as us.) But building that mountain of data takes time. It is also a progression. If your decisions improve over time then the empirical data you have gathered is working.
We're also drafting for different needs. In 2006 we were drafting for "now". Clearly stated by the club. We preferred Jack over Reid becaus we would get a footballer in 2008 and not 2010. And yes I know Collingwood took Reid first but we weren't going to take Reid unless Jack and one or two others were gone first. We had a clear ranking and Jack was #1 by so much it wasn't funny. In 2011 we drafted one player, B. Ellis, for now. O'Hanlon and Elton were clearly drafted for 2013/14 and beyond. Plus the rookies where we clearly drafted 4 gusy for development. We managed the other players for "now" with Morris and Maric. As TfT states we ahve a higher ratio of recently drafted players in our side (hence our youth).
Anyone who thinks that the club has just stopped "managing the list" isn't actually watching what's happening. Look at the evidence not some jibber-jabber from years ago.
Do we rate our older blokes with this rating system?How does a player like Jake King rate on this system? There would be blokes with more natural ability playing in state leagues. Not having a whack at Kingy (quite happy to have him at the club, especially when he plays like he did saturday)but surely sometimes you just watch a bloke play football and decide whether or not he's any good. You don't need a rating system to see if a bloke is lazy, can get a kick or put his head over it.
Just asking you HK because you keep a close eye on this sort of thing.
Well summed up smokeBloody tough on Jackson including the '05 draft given that he was only assisting the recruiting dept on a part time basis at the time. Was appointed full time Recruiting Manager in Feb '06 so in all fairness you should remove all reference to '05 from his CV.
Heard that excuse a LOT and it still sounds like crap.
He was the Recruiter but shouldn't be judged on his recruiting?
Especially as a part timer one would think you look at AIS lists OR State Lists OR All Australian lists.
No, you totally overlook AIS members, All Australians and State Captains in Hurn and Swallow and recommend this bloke at pick 8: Jarrod Oakley-Nichols
Crap? He was a part time recruiter who was also full time Sports Master at Brighton Grammar at the same time. He was appointed to this part time role in Feb '05 and part of his charter was to oversee 3 administrative and 6 field recruiters, all in part time roles themselves, as well as having an individual responsibility of forward scout. This was all then managed by Greg Miller in his full time role as Recruiting Manager as well as Director of Football, with significant input (no doubt) from the senior coach Terry Wallace. All this part time work so the club could compete at the highest level of professional AFL football. And the failure to identify the best recruits in the 2005 draft was all Jackson's fault? His jobs as public school house master and AFL talent scout would have demanded high public scrutiny and professional output, and I can't even begin to think how he made that happen at any level, let alone to a standard deemed satisfactory by his peers and employers. And the club gets it's pick #8 wrong in the National Draft and you find Jackson wholly and totally to blame? Just as well for our club that you're not doing the hiring and firing I think.
Francis Jackson has also learnt the caper as time has gone on. No different to any other job. It is rare that someone comes in from day 1 and stars unless he was a star elsewhere.
Just like our players, coaches, administrators and the like are learning form their mistakes, so is Francis. And isn't that all we can expect?
You're doing a great job mate. Keep it up!
Spot on and a point not discussed ot acknowledged up to this point. CC, BH and FJ are developing metrics and ratings system that take much of the "guesswork" out of the process. Some of this is league wide practise, some of it is RFC IP. (Note: Some clubs aren't anywhere near as scientific as us.) But building that mountain of data takes time. It is also a progression. If your decisions improve over time then the empirical data you have gathered is working.
We're also drafting for different needs. In 2006 we were drafting for "now". Clearly stated by the club. We preferred Jack over Reid becaus we would get a footballer in 2008 and not 2010. And yes I know Collingwood took Reid first but we weren't going to take Reid unless Jack and one or two others were gone first. We had a clear ranking and Jack was #1 by so much it wasn't funny. In 2011 we drafted one player, B. Ellis, for now. O'Hanlon and Elton were clearly drafted for 2013/14 and beyond. Plus the rookies where we clearly drafted 4 gusy for development. We managed the other players for "now" with Morris and Maric. As TfT states we ahve a higher ratio of recently drafted players in our side (hence our youth).
Anyone who thinks that the club has just stopped "managing the list" isn't actually watching what's happening. Look at the evidence not some jibber-jabber from years ago.
Do we rate our older blokes with this rating system?How does a player like Jake King rate on this system? There would be blokes with more natural ability playing in state leagues. Not having a whack at Kingy (quite happy to have him at the club, especially when he plays like he did saturday)but surely sometimes you just watch a bloke play football and decide whether or not he's any good. You don't need a rating system to see if a bloke is lazy, can get a kick or put his head over it.
Just asking you HK because you keep a close eye on this sort of thing.
A few points.
....... I have doubts about calling it "empirical" data however.
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Getting beat up about a future event when all indicators are that the club is successfully continuing a process is bordering on bizarre. twisiting facts to suit your own view, when there is no support for such a view is beyond bizarre.
Francis Jackson has also learnt the caper as time has gone on. No different to any other job. It is rare that someone comes in from day 1 and stars unless he was a star elsewhere.
Just like our players, coaches, administrators and the like are learning form their mistakes, so is Francis. And isn't that all we can expect?
You're doing a great job mate. Keep it up!
Spot on and a point not discussed ot acknowledged up to this point. CC, BH and FJ are developing metrics and ratings system that take much of the "guesswork" out of the process. Some of this is league wide practise, some of it is RFC IP. (Note: Some clubs aren't anywhere near as scientific as us.) But building that mountain of data takes time. It is also a progression. If your decisions improve over time then the empirical data you have gathered is working.
We're also drafting for different needs. In 2006 we were drafting for "now". Clearly stated by the club. We preferred Jack over Reid becaus we would get a footballer in 2008 and not 2010. And yes I know Collingwood took Reid first but we weren't going to take Reid unless Jack and one or two others were gone first. We had a clear ranking and Jack was #1 by so much it wasn't funny. In 2011 we drafted one player, B. Ellis, for now. O'Hanlon and Elton were clearly drafted for 2013/14 and beyond. Plus the rookies where we clearly drafted 4 gusy for development. We managed the other players for "now" with Morris and Maric. As TfT states we ahve a higher ratio of recently drafted players in our side (hence our youth).
Anyone who thinks that the club has just stopped "managing the list" isn't actually watching what's happening. Look at the evidence not some jibber-jabber from years ago.
Do we rate our older blokes with this rating system?How does a player like Jake King rate on this system? There would be blokes with more natural ability playing in state leagues. Not having a whack at Kingy (quite happy to have him at the club, especially when he plays like he did saturday)but surely sometimes you just watch a bloke play football and decide whether or not he's any good. You don't need a rating system to see if a bloke is lazy, can get a kick or put his head over it.
Just asking you HK because you keep a close eye on this sort of thing.
OK I'll bite. But yes apparently we rank/rate every player in the league this way. The Hawks definitely did this as well. In 2008 Pelchen knew they had a "points" score that would allow them to win the flag. He revealed this, admittedly after the fact, at a Canberra function according to the verbatim report posted on BF (and subsequently pulled).
But it will also allow us to identify the Houli's and Maric's of the AFL. Something I suggest that we have got right in the past 2 years. And given how that has improved on Thomson, Hislop and Farmer is pretty tellimg in my opinion. But that would indicate that CC has learnt, applied lessons and improved. As well as now administering a concept he understood but could not adequately undertake. So he appointed the right guy, BH to do the job. But that would mean giving CC credit. A concept not allowed here as I understand it.
Thanks and agree. But that is a red rag to a claw I would believe. :lol :lol :lol
Getting beat up about a future event when all indicators are that the club is successfully continuing a process is bordering on bizarre. twisiting facts to suit your own view, when there is no support for such a view is beyond bizarre.
Dead right HKT. I've added a word to your quote just to indulge myself! :)
at the end of the day you will defend his record becausse hes at richmond me i will be critical because i think over all hes been pretty average.
No, I'll defend his record because it stacks up. I'll have a crack at Richmond as good as anyone if I think we deserve it but I don't think your witch hunt on Jackson is fair or justified.
claw,you dont get ny better information than someone who was on our table in 2005. i can categotically say fj wanted jon and miller wanted varcoe. miller even went over to the geelong table later and spoke about varcoe.
you go on and on about FJ and 2005. What knowledge do you have of when he was appointed and what his role was.
I have been informed that FJ was approached in mid-2005 to assist Miller. He came on board in August/September 2005 to review tapes and provide advice. That is what he did. No more. You have some different role for him that I have had categorically stated is not correct.
In 2006 when he started, we had no data. Repeat NO DATA. FJ working with Hayden Hill started compiling the data. In spreadsheets. By all accounts we were 10 years behind the league in such areas.
So apart from recruiting FJ started the building of basic processes and measurements to support his recruiting. Despite that he got Jack and Edwards. And your rating of Edwards is not shared by anyone at the club so live with teh fact that you're wrong.
In 2007 he lined up Cotch (no brainer all will concede) Rance and Selwood. The fact that Wallace had forced the issue of McMahon when Miller and FJ were against it (again on public record) does not discredit FJ as a draft lead. In 2008/9 the club reviewed the Footy Dept. processes (remember that) appointed CC as head, identified process gaps and appointed BH. (At that tiem one of teh first clubs to identify teh role and hire someone to it.) So in 5 years from a nearly dysfunctionaly Footy Dept, with respect fo development and recruiting we are probably at "standard". In some ways, given our improvement vs our age and experience levels, we are close to leading. Our blend of trade, recruit and draft is working. We're even now discarding players quicker.
You keep harping on about guys in the 22. They're not the problem. It's players 23 to 30 that are the problem. when they force themselves past the bottom 6 in the 22 then the problem is solved. Darrou, O'Hanlon, Helbig, Arnot, Elton indicate that the club knows that as well.
Getting beat up about a future event when all indicators are that the club is continuing a process is bordering on bizarre. twisiting facts to suit your own view, when there is no support for such a view is beyond bizarre.
Ahh, read the above post dipstick! Makes you look like a fool once again :lol :lol :loldo you always randomly abuse posters and call em names. really shows your intelligence off to a point. calling people names does not mean your right.i expect that from posters who are beaten when in debate and have to resort to the last option.
Claw you can't blame Jackson for some prior to 2010.why cant we blame jackson they are his choices. fair enough there may be some good excuses why but at the end of the day they are his choices.
Wallet was coach and he had a different plan with regards to the list.
Trading for blokes like Kingsley, Patrick Bowden, Thompson, McMahon, Hislop all relics from the Wallet era.
If anything you can blame Jackson in your opinion and lay claim to the fact that even our Granny could have picked Martin but the Wallet era's legacy was signed when they picked Tambling at 4 and the used duds and draft duds have still maligned our list to this day.
Jackson at least in Dimma's tenure at the least has done more than well IMHO given that Dimma has a clear plan with some sort of blueprint.
Ahh, read the above post dipstick! Makes you look like a fool once again :lol :lol :loldo you always randomly abuse posters and call em names. really shows your intelligence off to a point. calling people names does not mean your right.i expect that from posters who are beaten when in debate and have to resort to the last option.
i have a difference of opinion to you and most on here when it comes to rating how well jackson has done. just because i differ i do not deserve you following me around call ing me names. if cant show a little respect and restraint you will cop more than you dish out i can guarantee it.
now do you want to debate the topic or do you just want to look like another illiterate poster which is exactly what you come across as when you have to resort to childish names.
it really is amazing just how bitter and twisted people get at others who dare have an opposing opinion.
Agreed, Claw. The way TFT has been hounding you is pathetic and bordering on all out stalking.
claw,you dont get ny better information than someone who was on our table in 2005. i can categotically say fj wanted jon and miller wanted varcoe. miller even went over to the geelong table later and spoke about varcoe.
you go on and on about FJ and 2005. What knowledge do you have of when he was appointed and what his role was.
I have been informed that FJ was approached in mid-2005 to assist Miller. He came on board in August/September 2005 to review tapes and provide advice. That is what he did. No more. You have some different role for him that I have had categorically stated is not correct.
In 2006 when he started, we had no data. Repeat NO DATA. FJ working with Hayden Hill started compiling the data. In spreadsheets. By all accounts we were 10 years behind the league in such areas.
So apart from recruiting FJ started the building of basic processes and measurements to support his recruiting. Despite that he got Jack and Edwards. And your rating of Edwards is not shared by anyone at the club so live with teh fact that you're wrong.
In 2007 he lined up Cotch (no brainer all will concede) Rance and Selwood. The fact that Wallace had forced the issue of McMahon when Miller and FJ were against it (again on public record) does not discredit FJ as a draft lead. In 2008/9 the club reviewed the Footy Dept. processes (remember that) appointed CC as head, identified process gaps and appointed BH. (At that tiem one of teh first clubs to identify teh role and hire someone to it.) So in 5 years from a nearly dysfunctionaly Footy Dept, with respect fo development and recruiting we are probably at "standard". In some ways, given our improvement vs our age and experience levels, we are close to leading. Our blend of trade, recruit and draft is working. We're even now discarding players quicker.
You keep harping on about guys in the 22. They're not the problem. It's players 23 to 30 that are the problem. when they force themselves past the bottom 6 in the 22 then the problem is solved. Darrou, O'Hanlon, Helbig, Arnot, Elton indicate that the club knows that as well.
Getting beat up about a future event when all indicators are that the club is continuing a process is bordering on bizarre. twisiting facts to suit your own view, when there is no support for such a view is beyond bizarre.
the rookie club night that used to be run with miller we had lots of highlights and footage on jon and others personally i groaned out loud when i heard his name any blind fool could see he was not a first rnd pick.
the talk was hurn would slip and he was my choice at that pick. the knock on him was he was a boy in a mans body playing against boys trouble was he could bloody play. give me big and skillful over skinny and whatever it was jon had any day.
i made a comment that outside of 1st rnd picks jacksons nd picks have been average at best. not too many clubs get first rounders wrong and even fewer with the early 1st rounders like we have had.
on edwards im sorry mate but ive never ever worried about who the club rates and with justification. edwards for a real good second round pick has battled for consistency his performances mostly not good enough and he has glaring weaknesses that he has never overcome or bought something to the table to compensate them. i dont need the club to tell me who is performing and who is not i can see very well for myself. i wonder where shane edwards is rated in the scheme of things something that i have done with our players over the yrs.
on cameron i have to ask what has players like jackson ever done to warrant more than one yr contracts and there is a string of these types. surely if tuck can be kept on 1 yr deals these others who mostly underperform can also.
since 05 jackson has just 3 second rounders that are lets say proven and that includes edwards who is ordinary. so if you asked me it would be just 2. hughes, edwards, rance, post, griffiths, batchelor, elton. granted some of the later picks are promising but you can hardly put em in the bank, and that been the trouble with supporters they show a glimpse they are stars. a glimpse does not mean proven.
since 05 jackson has no third rounders that are proven, casserly, dea, macdonald, helbig, arnot, again some promise there but only dea who has played a a dozen games or so.
since 05 jackson has no fourth rounders that are proven. connors, peterson, putt, hislop, taylor, derickx,
since 05 jackson has no fifth rounders that are proven collins, webberley nason,
as i said hes done okay with first rounders but from there average at best is being kind imo. for sure
we can do psd picks if you like young psd picks he must have a say in.these drafts start at 06 because ie thursfield while taken in the 05 rookie draft was taken at the start of 05 not the end.
06 white lol. 07 kingsley, 08 gourdis, 09 cousins, 10 grimes hooray we got one, 11 houli hooray we got another but we know hes one of hartleys.12 o hanlon.
rookie picks
06 graham, humm, howat.
07 clingan king.
08 collard, sivester, cartledge, howat lol.
09 gourdis, browne, gilligan,
10 hicks, contin, roberts, westhoff, polak,orielly.
11 jakobi, miller, hislop lol,
12 a maric, darrou, verrier, turner, wright, heslin.
yep i reckon im well within my rights to question what jackson has done especially after the first round. not a lot of first rounders get stuffed up. theres no hiding with draft picks. you take em you live or die on how they perform.
jackson is now heavily reliant on picks from 09 10 and 11 to make it to even get a pass mark.
while i think we are getting better at it i really would like to see someone like rendell in there as well to help jackson out if you like. your recruiters are the life blood of your on field success what possible harm would another like rendell cause.
as i said i give as good as i get after awhile. dish it out and i will return fire. having you follow me around id say ive been very restrained.Ahh, read the above post dipstick! Makes you look like a fool once again :lol :lol :loldo you always randomly abuse posters and call em names. really shows your intelligence off to a point. calling people names does not mean your right.i expect that from posters who are beaten when in debate and have to resort to the last option.
i have a difference of opinion to you and most on here when it comes to rating how well jackson has done. just because i differ i do not deserve you following me around call ing me names. if cant show a little respect and restraint you will cop more than you dish out i can guarantee it.
now do you want to debate the topic or do you just want to look like another illiterate poster which is exactly what you come across as when you have to resort to childish names.
it really is amazing just how bitter and twisted people get at others who dare have an opposing opinion.
There is nothing to debate Claw, you are wrong FACT!
As for the random abusing of posters, how's the little gem you popped in there last week about penis size ;D so its o.k for you to start abusing posters but they cant fire back :lol Na'h your not a hypocrit at all are you :wallywink
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as i said i give as good as i get after awhile. dish it out and i will return fire. having you follow me around id say ive been very restrained.
thing is i have no wish to go down the abusive path and will not unlees someone starts it. more than happy to debate point for point weather im right or wrong. the fact you feel the need to follow me around and be derogatory says it all.
you think im wrong. not fact but your entitled to your opinion and thats fine just leave the name calling out and i can guarantee you will not have a problem with me calling you names in return.
jackson has got how many nd picks after the first rnd right how many are proven players. how many rookie picks has he got right. you think hes got plenty i think hes been average. its only opinion and neither is fact.
me i put it out there that i think hes been poor from 05 to 08. and its a bit early to be calling 09 10 and 11 apart from a couple of obvious ones both ways.
suggesting we could do better than jackson or at the least getting him more help does not warrant the name calling no matter what you think.
me i put it out there that i think hes been poor from 05 to 08. and its a bit early to be calling 09 10 and 11 apart from a couple of obvious ones both ways.
Tiger-from-Tas
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And yet he keeps replying to everything I write apparently. What a freak :lol
thats just it though isnt it. im arguing about his overall performance and it doesnt make for pretty reading. pretty hard to judge what hes done in the last few yrs wouldnt you think.just a bit early to be calling it one way or the other.claw,you dont get ny better information than someone who was on our table in 2005. i can categotically say fj wanted jon and miller wanted varcoe. miller even went over to the geelong table later and spoke about varcoe.
you go on and on about FJ and 2005. What knowledge do you have of when he was appointed and what his role was.
I have been informed that FJ was approached in mid-2005 to assist Miller. He came on board in August/September 2005 to review tapes and provide advice. That is what he did. No more. You have some different role for him that I have had categorically stated is not correct.
In 2006 when he started, we had no data. Repeat NO DATA. FJ working with Hayden Hill started compiling the data. In spreadsheets. By all accounts we were 10 years behind the league in such areas.
So apart from recruiting FJ started the building of basic processes and measurements to support his recruiting. Despite that he got Jack and Edwards. And your rating of Edwards is not shared by anyone at the club so live with teh fact that you're wrong.
In 2007 he lined up Cotch (no brainer all will concede) Rance and Selwood. The fact that Wallace had forced the issue of McMahon when Miller and FJ were against it (again on public record) does not discredit FJ as a draft lead. In 2008/9 the club reviewed the Footy Dept. processes (remember that) appointed CC as head, identified process gaps and appointed BH. (At that tiem one of teh first clubs to identify teh role and hire someone to it.) So in 5 years from a nearly dysfunctionaly Footy Dept, with respect fo development and recruiting we are probably at "standard". In some ways, given our improvement vs our age and experience levels, we are close to leading. Our blend of trade, recruit and draft is working. We're even now discarding players quicker.
You keep harping on about guys in the 22. They're not the problem. It's players 23 to 30 that are the problem. when they force themselves past the bottom 6 in the 22 then the problem is solved. Darrou, O'Hanlon, Helbig, Arnot, Elton indicate that the club knows that as well.
Getting beat up about a future event when all indicators are that the club is continuing a process is bordering on bizarre. twisiting facts to suit your own view, when there is no support for such a view is beyond bizarre.
the rookie club night that used to be run with miller we had lots of highlights and footage on jon and others personally i groaned out loud when i heard his name any blind fool could see he was not a first rnd pick.
the talk was hurn would slip and he was my choice at that pick. the knock on him was he was a boy in a mans body playing against boys trouble was he could bloody play. give me big and skillful over skinny and whatever it was jon had any day.
i made a comment that outside of 1st rnd picks jacksons nd picks have been average at best. not too many clubs get first rounders wrong and even fewer with the early 1st rounders like we have had.
on edwards im sorry mate but ive never ever worried about who the club rates and with justification. edwards for a real good second round pick has battled for consistency his performances mostly not good enough and he has glaring weaknesses that he has never overcome or bought something to the table to compensate them. i dont need the club to tell me who is performing and who is not i can see very well for myself. i wonder where shane edwards is rated in the scheme of things something that i have done with our players over the yrs.
on cameron i have to ask what has players like jackson ever done to warrant more than one yr contracts and there is a string of these types. surely if tuck can be kept on 1 yr deals these others who mostly underperform can also.
since 05 jackson has just 3 second rounders that are lets say proven and that includes edwards who is ordinary. so if you asked me it would be just 2. hughes, edwards, rance, post, griffiths, batchelor, elton. granted some of the later picks are promising but you can hardly put em in the bank, and that been the trouble with supporters they show a glimpse they are stars. a glimpse does not mean proven.
since 05 jackson has no third rounders that are proven, casserly, dea, macdonald, helbig, arnot, again some promise there but only dea who has played a a dozen games or so.
since 05 jackson has no fourth rounders that are proven. connors, peterson, putt, hislop, taylor, derickx,
since 05 jackson has no fifth rounders that are proven collins, webberley nason,
as i said hes done okay with first rounders but from there average at best is being kind imo. for sure
we can do psd picks if you like young psd picks he must have a say in.these drafts start at 06 because ie thursfield while taken in the 05 rookie draft was taken at the start of 05 not the end.
06 white lol. 07 kingsley, 08 gourdis, 09 cousins, 10 grimes hooray we got one, 11 houli hooray we got another but we know hes one of hartleys.12 o hanlon.
rookie picks
06 graham, humm, howat.
07 clingan king.
08 collard, sivester, cartledge, howat lol.
09 gourdis, browne, gilligan,
10 hicks, contin, roberts, westhoff, polak,orielly.
11 jakobi, miller, hislop lol,
12 a maric, darrou, verrier, turner, wright, heslin.
yep i reckon im well within my rights to question what jackson has done especially after the first round. not a lot of first rounders get stuffed up. theres no hiding with draft picks. you take em you live or die on how they perform.
jackson is now heavily reliant on picks from 09 10 and 11 to make it to even get a pass mark.
while i think we are getting better at it i really would like to see someone like rendell in there as well to help jackson out if you like. your recruiters are the life blood of your on field success what possible harm would another like rendell cause.
Being a person that posts on every and all footy forums you can get a hold of Mr Claw, i have often wondered why?? Is there a grudge for not being listened to by the club? You seem to drop the fact you sat on the draft table once quite a bit over several forums.. What is it that bothers you so much about CC and FJ? Did they not want your input and have instead switched to a more professional recruiting system?
Also having read many of your recruiting edicts i would prefer the picks of CC and FJ.. one that comes to mind is your choice of Bradshaw over Grimes in the PSD. But there are many more over the years that you, just as all clubs, have got wrong..
i for one am very happy on how our recruiting has gone in the past few years..
No wonder Benny looked so relieved after the siren. Tonight's dinner will be so much easier after the the two wins on the trot.Benny was probably relieved to have survived sitting amongst our
No wonder Benny looked so relieved after the siren. Tonight's dinner will be so much easier after the the two wins on the trot.Benny was probably relieved to have survived sitting amongst ourferalssupporters jumping all over him and each other ;D.
All Benny needs to say tonight at the dinner is "The $2m plus you all donated last year is now bearing fruit as you saw last night. Now Dimma and the boys need your support to help them have the additional football resources needed to gain the ultimate prize".
How much did last years dinner raise? was it 1.7mill or 2.1? cant quite remember. Another couple of mill tonight would just be hugeTony I'm quite sure it was over 2 million
How much did last years dinner raise? was it 1.7mill or 2.1? cant quite remember. Another couple of mill tonight would just be hugeTony I'm quite sure it was over 2 million
Aaron Black sure is gunning it today, claw.
There's some pretty good mail that plenty has been lopped off the balance of that debt :shhGot some inside info from half a world away Sam, like my mates
Less than 1Mill left I think
claw, can't be bothered and wont read your posts. RFCO clearly set you straight but you're still in some form of denial. I called it bizarre originally. Given I stood with GM and FJ and they told me to my face what FJ's involvement in the 2005 draft was, you have no/zero/nil/nada credibility in what you are claiming,lol rfco wouldnt know his right foot from his left. no credability at all when all you talk is the positives. lets face it thats all we get from him spin.
claw, can't be bothered and wont read your posts. RFCO clearly set you straight but you're still in some form of denial. I called it bizarre originally. Given I stood with GM and FJ and they told me to my face what FJ's involvement in the 2005 draft was, you have no/zero/nil/nada credibility in what you are claiming,lol rfco wouldnt know his right foot from his left. no credability at all when all you talk is the positives. lets face it thats all we get from him spin.
whats bizarre is you all just follow blindly. there was a totally independent person on the draft table that yr was rfco on the table. and i can tell you he was adamant miller was upset about us not taking varcoe. if miller didnt want jon who did. there was only two who had a say. who went to perth to have a look at him i can tell you now it was not greg miller.
we all know the procees they went thru and some of us acknowledge whos recommendation jon was.
seeing as how you dont read my posts seems a common thing on here lately you wont be replying.
Less than 1Mill left I thinkGreat news if true :thumbsup
Less than 1Mill left I thinkGreat news if true :thumbsup
hey hey hey calm down. i have the right of reply dont i. sheesh how silly of me im wrong if you criticise you have no rights.claw, can't be bothered and wont read your posts. RFCO clearly set you straight but you're still in some form of denial. I called it bizarre originally. Given I stood with GM and FJ and they told me to my face what FJ's involvement in the 2005 draft was, you have no/zero/nil/nada credibility in what you are claiming,lol rfco wouldnt know his right foot from his left. no credability at all when all you talk is the positives. lets face it thats all we get from him spin.
whats bizarre is you all just follow blindly. there was a totally independent person on the draft table that yr was rfco on the table. and i can tell you he was adamant miller was upset about us not taking varcoe. if miller didnt want jon who did. there was only two who had a say. who went to perth to have a look at him i can tell you now it was not greg miller.
we all know the procees they went thru and some of us acknowledge whos recommendation jon was.
seeing as how you dont read my posts seems a common thing on here lately you wont be replying.
whats this got to do with us reducing the club debt tonight by a massive amount! Nuffin thats what!
He's saying, take it to another thread.hey hey hey calm down. i have the right of reply dont i. sheesh how silly of me im wrong if you criticise you have no rights.claw, can't be bothered and wont read your posts. RFCO clearly set you straight but you're still in some form of denial. I called it bizarre originally. Given I stood with GM and FJ and they told me to my face what FJ's involvement in the 2005 draft was, you have no/zero/nil/nada credibility in what you are claiming,lol rfco wouldnt know his right foot from his left. no credability at all when all you talk is the positives. lets face it thats all we get from him spin.
whats bizarre is you all just follow blindly. there was a totally independent person on the draft table that yr was rfco on the table. and i can tell you he was adamant miller was upset about us not taking varcoe. if miller didnt want jon who did. there was only two who had a say. who went to perth to have a look at him i can tell you now it was not greg miller.
we all know the procees they went thru and some of us acknowledge whos recommendation jon was.
seeing as how you dont read my posts seems a common thing on here lately you wont be replying.
whats this got to do with us reducing the club debt tonight by a massive amount! Nuffin thats what!
hmm have i mentioned i think our money should go into list management and recruiting.
Does that mean 500k more and we will be debt free ?Approximately half of what was raised last night will go towards paying down the debt. So that's another $1.15m taken off.
Wasn't our debt only 4 mil?
This is shaping up to be a defying year for us - on and off field :thumbsup
This is shaping up to be a defining year for us - on and off field :thumbsup
I know I have been told not to, but some typos are just too hard to resist a comment.
:lol
Continue to reduce the burden of debt to allow us to pay 100% of the salary cap and be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency.again this says to me we are looking to protect what we have rather than gaining someone, initially anyway.
lol rfco wouldnt know his right foot from his left. no credability at all when all you talk is the positives. lets face it thats all we get from him spin.
lol rfco wouldnt know his right foot from his left. no credability at all when all you talk is the positives. lets face it thats all we get from him spin.
Yes I do, my left foot is the one that can't kick.
lol rfco wouldnt know his right foot from his left. no credability at all when all you talk is the positives. lets face it thats all we get from him spin.
Yes I do, my left foot is the one that can't kick.
Welcome to OER Robbie ;)
From the RFC website...it's great news by the club.
Tonight, Richmond held its second Fighting Tiger Fund Dinner. The Club took another enormous step forward, and is now within touching distance if its $6 million target.
A further $2.3 million was raised, thanks to the outstanding support of several key donors, and the 150 people in the room. The FTF tally now sits at $5.5 million.
The Richmond board identified a number of key investments the Club needed to make when it launched the Fighting Tiger Fund. The Club needed to:
• Continue to invest in its recruiting and list analysis structure, so we can continue to build the depth of our playing list.
• Build its financial muscle to allow us to effectively manage total player payments and, in turn, ensure we are well-positioned for free agency.
• Invest in its high-performance program, which required an investment in equipment and coaching and development staff.
• Develop its second-tier structure to fast-track the development of younger players.
• Continue to reduce the burden of debt to allow us to pay 100% of the salary cap and be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency.
“All of this was about building a Club that can develop an era of sustained success and, of course, all of this requires financial support,” March said.
“I am very pleased that we are drawing so close to our final target.
“We had some individuals make some very significant donations tonight. They don’t wish to be identified, but they know who they are, and we will be forever grateful for the magnificent contribution they have made.”
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/137605/default.aspx
lol rfco wouldnt know his right foot from his left. no credability at all when all you talk is the positives. lets face it thats all we get from him spin.
Yes I do, my left foot is the one that can't kick.
Welcome to OER Robbie ;)
From the RFC website...it's great news by the club.
Tonight, Richmond held its second Fighting Tiger Fund Dinner. The Club took another enormous step forward, and is now within touching distance if its $6 million target.
A further $2.3 million was raised, thanks to the outstanding support of several key donors, and the 150 people in the room. The FTF tally now sits at $5.5 million.
The Richmond board identified a number of key investments the Club needed to make when it launched the Fighting Tiger Fund. The Club needed to:
• Continue to invest in its recruiting and list analysis structure, so we can continue to build the depth of our playing list.
• Build its financial muscle to allow us to effectively manage total player payments and, in turn, ensure we are well-positioned for free agency.
• Invest in its high-performance program, which required an investment in equipment and coaching and development staff.
• Develop its second-tier structure to fast-track the development of younger players.
• Continue to reduce the burden of debt to allow us to pay 100% of the salary cap and be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency.
“All of this was about building a Club that can develop an era of sustained success and, of course, all of this requires financial support,” March said.
“I am very pleased that we are drawing so close to our final target.
“We had some individuals make some very significant donations tonight. They don’t wish to be identified, but they know who they are, and we will be forever grateful for the magnificent contribution they have made.”
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/137605/default.aspx
The only criticism is the continuation of our association with coburg.
In light of the goal to fast track development for our young players I would of thought going with our own VFL team was of high priority.
I know it is but signing a new deal with coburg was a real shock. The pies have their own team as do the cats and now the bombers will have their own team ahead if us also.
Not the case , pay off 3m of debt if we raised 6mYep - be debt free by 2014.
3-0-75 said debt free at end of 2013 IIRC
There's no confusion, we're locked into a 3 year deal with Coburg until 2014.
At the beginning of 2011 one of our goals was a VFL stand alone team, but come the end of 2011 that changed.
We decided to do that due to A) The AFL saying they would raise fees associated with going it along re: VFL side and B) AFL Victoria saying they were looking at the future of the competition.
Coburg Head Coach Adam Potter is very much close to the senior coaches and he spends the off-season in our big sessions, he knows the way we want to play and is pretty accommodating.
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There's no confusion, we're locked into a 3 year deal with Coburg until 2014.
At the beginning of 2011 one of our goals was a VFL stand alone team, but come the end of 2011 that changed.
We decided to do that due to A) The AFL saying they would raise fees associated with going it along re: VFL side and B) AFL Victoria saying they were looking at the future of the competition.
Coburg Head Coach Adam Potter is very much close to the senior coaches and he spends the off-season in our big sessions, he knows the way we want to play and is pretty accommodating.
Thanks for clearing up that up. Looks like the AFL are looking at another way to raise more money by increasing fees which means they don't have spend so much propping up the VFL comp.
Saw Potts in the rooms before the game on the TV coverage :thumbsup
And can I just say perhaps they would have gotten more that 150 people if they didn't charge $600 per head
thanks for the reply.From the RFC website...it's great news by the club.
Tonight, Richmond held its second Fighting Tiger Fund Dinner. The Club took another enormous step forward, and is now within touching distance if its $6 million target.
A further $2.3 million was raised, thanks to the outstanding support of several key donors, and the 150 people in the room. The FTF tally now sits at $5.5 million.
The Richmond board identified a number of key investments the Club needed to make when it launched the Fighting Tiger Fund. The Club needed to:
• Continue to invest in its recruiting and list analysis structure, so we can continue to build the depth of our playing list.
• Build its financial muscle to allow us to effectively manage total player payments and, in turn, ensure we are well-positioned for free agency.
• Invest in its high-performance program, which required an investment in equipment and coaching and development staff.
• Develop its second-tier structure to fast-track the development of younger players.
• Continue to reduce the burden of debt to allow us to pay 100% of the salary cap and be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency.
“All of this was about building a Club that can develop an era of sustained success and, of course, all of this requires financial support,” March said.
“I am very pleased that we are drawing so close to our final target.
“We had some individuals make some very significant donations tonight. They don’t wish to be identified, but they know who they are, and we will be forever grateful for the magnificent contribution they have made.”
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/137605/default.aspx
The only criticism is the continuation of our association with coburg.
In light of the goal to fast track development for our young players I would of thought going with our own VFL team was of high priority.
I know it is but signing a new deal with coburg was a real shock. The pies have their own team as do the cats and now the bombers will have their own team ahead if us also.
There's no confusion, we're locked into a 3 year deal with Coburg until 2014.
At the beginning of 2011 one of our goals was a VFL stand alone team, but come the end of 2011 that changed.
We decided to do that due to A) The AFL saying they would raise fees associated with going it along re: VFL side and B) AFL Victoria saying they were looking at the future of the competition.
Coburg Head Coach Adam Potter is very much close to the senior coaches and he spends the off-season in our big sessions, he knows the way we want to play and is pretty accommodating.
thanks for the reply.
so does that mean we are going to have a stand alone VFL team for the 2015 season?
Was aimed at corporate though wp, not sure they would have raised 2.5mn had they filled the room with tickets at $25 a head :shh
CEO of OER Inc. ;D :thumbsupWas aimed at corporate though wp, not sure they would have raised 2.5mn had they filled the room with tickets at $25 a head :shh
Aimed at corporates? Then why did send me an invite and then the ring me? I'm no corporate.
CEO of OER Inc. ;D :thumbsupWas aimed at corporate though wp, not sure they would have raised 2.5mn had they filled the room with tickets at $25 a head :shh
Aimed at corporates? Then why did send me an invite and then the ring me? I'm no corporate.
CEO of OER Inc. ;D :thumbsupWas aimed at corporate though wp, not sure they would have raised 2.5mn had they filled the room with tickets at $25 a head :shh
Aimed at corporates? Then why did send me an invite and then the ring me? I'm no corporate.
Access to lots of funds.
:lol
CEO of OER Inc. ;D :thumbsupWas aimed at corporate though wp, not sure they would have raised 2.5mn had they filled the room with tickets at $25 a head :shh
Aimed at corporates? Then why did send me an invite and then the ring me? I'm no corporate.
Access to lots of funds.
:lol
Me?
I'm currently unemployed :rollin
CEO of OER Inc. ;D :thumbsupWas aimed at corporate though wp, not sure they would have raised 2.5mn had they filled the room with tickets at $25 a head :shh
Aimed at corporates? Then why did send me an invite and then the ring me? I'm no corporate.
Access to lots of funds.
:lol
Me?
I'm currently unemployed :rollin
Because you had access to lots of funds?
:police:
CEO of OER Inc. ;D :thumbsupWas aimed at corporate though wp, not sure they would have raised 2.5mn had they filled the room with tickets at $25 a head :shh
Aimed at corporates? Then why did send me an invite and then the ring me? I'm no corporate.
Access to lots of funds.
:lol
Me?
I'm currently unemployed :rollin
Because you had access to lots of funds?
:police:
LOL :thumbsup
Nope just tired ;D
Was that tired or retired?
:cheers
Is the clubs intention to wipe out all debt?
WP have they said anything in all this time how they will replace the lost revenue from the pokies venue they lost to carlton interests?
WP have they said anything in all this time how they will replace the lost revenue from the pokies venue they lost to carlton interests?
Club should get a picture of this banner and turn it into a memorabilia piece that someone could stick on their wall at home. Get Cotch or Lids to sign afew and the club could get some decent dollars.
Should have sold plots of the old punt rd grass off as 'tiger turf'.
$100 per square foot
Should have sold plots of the old punt rd grass off as 'tiger turf'.
$100 per square foot
how many times can you sell the same thing lol. ;D
Wonder whats on the menu :shh
what do we do after 6m.
what do we do after 6m.
Start making finals would be a start.
Another 10,000 members would have to be plus $1.5 mill at least, depending on the type.
A lot better performance for the FTF game than what we dished up against carlscum
A lot better performance for the FTF game than what we dished up against carlscum
So who cares pal.
We didn't get the four points.
It's still shattering to the fans who invested in the betterment of the club.
If this was North's day they would have wiped the floor clean with our jumpers.
Our jumpers would have been all black with no yellow sash.
It's the fans GF last two years and we lost them both.
Bump.
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Under $200k to go :clapping
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Under $200k to go :clapping
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I will be glad to see the end of the FTF,
I will be glad to see the end of the FTF,
I am also tiring of Tiger-From-Tas.
I will be glad to see the end of the FTF,
I am also tiring of Tiger-From-Tas.
:(I will be glad to see the end of the FTF,
I am also tiring of Tiger-From-Tas.
Relax....
:(I will be glad to see the end of the FTF,
I am also tiring of Tiger-From-Tas.
Relax....
just joshin, babes.
You know i lub chuuuu :-*
Update: Sept 4. 2012
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Do you reckon they already had $6m, and they're just putting some excitement into the countdown?Probably.
in all honesty, absolutely fantastic effort by all :clapping :bow :thumbsup :cheers :gotigers
Vice President Maurice O'Shanassay tonight said we've past the $6 million mark :thumbsup :clapping
So what will our debt level be at now? How much of the $6mill went to retiring debt?
Yep that sounds right. We had already paid $2m from memory and O'Shanassay tonight said as a result of reaching the $6 million target another million of debt would be retired. So we are on track to wipe out all our debt by 2014 as planned if not sooner if the FTF is continued on next year as alluded to in the last members survey.So what will our debt level be at now? How much of the $6mill went to retiring debt?
3mill went on debt
Yep that sounds right. We had already paid $2m from memory and O'Shanassay tonight said as a result of reaching the $6 million target another million of debt would be retired. So we are on track to wipe out all our debt by 2014 as planned if not sooner if the FTF is continued on next year as alluded to in the last members survey.So what will our debt level be at now? How much of the $6mill went to retiring debt?
3mill went on debt
lets crank it up again. :shh
50% of $6m equals $2m.
50% of $6m equals $2m.
Last time I checked 50% of $6mil is $3mil not $2mil :-\
50% of $6m equals $2m.
Bitch time.
It's a tremendous effort from supporters to help the club raise this money but now that this target has been achieved, I really hope that it's the last we hear for some time that the club asks supporters to contribute financially beyond memberships.
I think it's bloody ridiculous that the AFL landscape has become so expensive to run a football side that clubs have to squeeze extra dollars out of their supporters hard earned just so as they can be 'competitive'.
Somethings gone very wrong with the game if that's the way things have to continue from here on.
The AFL comp has to run itself. Not ask for charity handouts, otherwise I'd rather watch local football.
Think Redan is referring to comments we retired $1m of debt last year, and now, with the full $6m pledged, we will be wiping off another $1m.
He is saying that the fund was meant to be a 50-50 split on debt and resources, 50% of the $6m would be $3m, however we are only wiping off $2m :huh Not sure if this is the case or not, but I believe that is what Redan was alluding to.
So is Richmond debt free???
I'm guessing we'll be down to about $1.5m owing? Starting at $4.5m, we had a million paid off it last year then another million budgeted to be paid down this year and a further million now as a result of reaching the $6m FTF target. We want to be debt free by 2014 which is only 16 months away.So is Richmond debt free???
I dont think so. Not Yet.
that idea was floated a while back and rejected by the powers that be.
It has some merit, but medical, fitness and rehab staff probably should be excluded.
At the bare minimum, the head coach should be included in the overall salary cap.
Should just rotate who wins the flag each year to make it fair
::)
Dont start with this arse again
The only worrying trend is hippies and pinkos trying to ruin the game by taking away the competitive edges
FFS
Each year the Company undertakes fundraising initiatives. In 2012 these activities were undertaken as part of the Fighting Tiger Fund. The operation of the Fighting Tiger Fund will continue in 2013.
http://win-cdn220-is-3.se.bptvpd.ngcdn.telstra.com/pd_afltigers0/concisereport2012.pdf
ill be a lot happier if the club shows it can post big operating profits ie without the FTF, until that happens, whats to say that having our own vfl side, a bigger FD etc is sustainable long term?
The FTF may run each year but supporters will gradually give less and less. The FTF was such a success because supporters believed it was a short term shot in the arm and with a clear achievable objective. If there is no end in sight and the yard stick keeps moving the fund raising revenue will quickly dry up.
Absolutely. I was very generous initially in believing that this was a short term venture.
Very exciting reading all this. Must be time for another fund raiser drive :P
All jokes aside, we all just want our club to keep improving and claw back to its rightful place above the pretenders - Carlton and Hawthorn. Time for us to become the biggest club in the league again and I think we are certainly on the right track at the moment for this to happen. :thumbsup
Its not gonna raise $6 million in a short time again but if it raises $500k to $1 million a year on going then that would be a worthwhile excercise.
It's not a "business model"
I would also have concerns if the club is budgeting for this money as though its part of normal operations. Isnt it possible to have this sort of fund operating but not included in the normal statements of cash flows etc and balance sheets.
Didn't think a bit of extra cash hurt anyone
I would also have concerns if the club is budgeting for this money as though its part of normal operations. Isnt it possible to have this sort of fund operating but not included in the normal statements of cash flows etc and balance sheets.
Absolutely not!
Legally bound (coprs law & acctg standards) to include it in all financial statements just like they have funds for the JDF over the years. Granted the JDF money can only be used for one purpose but it is/must included in all financial statements/disclosures
Besides the Club now views the FTF as part of it's normal operations, they said so in last year's Financial reports.
But I understand your concern Ramps, I share itDidn't think a bit of extra cash hurt anyone
Agree and I've been a supporter of the FTF, have been since it was launched. But I just think it is frought with danger to expect supporters to keep kicking in year after year. And it is all level of members & supporters that have funded the thing
Said it before it's gone from being a 1-2 year special fundraiser to something that appears now to have no end, can't keeping going back to the same well, eventually it will dry up ;D
Great example is over a 7 week period, we had the FTF jumper offer thing ($300), then a few later trying to sell tickets to the HoF ($390 for a 2 tkts) and then 2 weeks after that they start selling the FTF Scratch 'n' Win tickets for $200. That's just on $1k over 7 weeks. Would think that's a bit much for most people
Great example is over a 7 week period, we had the FTF jumper offer thing ($300), then a few later trying to sell tickets to the HoF ($390 for a 2 tkts) and then 2 weeks after that they start selling the FTF Scratch 'n' Win tickets for $200. That's just on $1k over 7 weeks. Would think that's a bit much for most people
Did you want the jumper for free and a free night out? lmao shock footy clubs sell merch and put on functions and charge for them :o
That's not sticking an empty hand out, that's offering a tangible product in return for money
Don't think the club expect anyone to take them all up anyway ::)
There was a recent article discussing the Charity Fatigue Syndrome where donors where bombarded with charitable requests becuase they had given once.
The requests were accompanied with messages & cheap gifts to play on guilt so that the donors would recompense out of obligation.
Sometimes marketeers will focus on the existing rather than do the hard yards and gain new customers to diversify the funding base.
see there you go whinging again
i thought it was about the well drying up, now it's the timing and someone making you feel bad
:'( :'( :'(
my view on it is that every year Ill just get my membership and stick an extra $100 on top for the fighting fund and maybe buy some merchandise but thats as far as the budget goes for me so thatll be how I continue to contribute.That is the best way for it to work IMO.
see there you go whinging again
i thought it was about the well drying up, now it's the timing and someone making you feel bad
:'( :'( :'(
Ultimately it is about the well drying up because they keep putting there hands out saying "please sir can I have some more...... but this time you get a jumper, or this time you get a chance at winning $30k or and by the way sir for something completely different want to come to a dinner"
Eventually people will say no and the $2mil they got last year will be $1.5mil this year and then $900k the next and they'll think "hmm what's happening here? why aren't they kicking in $$$ to us for the FTF"
And BTW I reckon I'm allowed to have whinge. Get bombarded with emails, txts and then phone calls and you say no and you become the worst person in the world. But at least I can take comfort in knowing "they pass the feedback on"
Would think it was good to get that extra 2.4mil in the next year until the well dries up. No point declaring it dry already
Would think it was good to get that extra 2.4mil in the next year until the well dries up. No point declaring it dry already
I didn't declare it "dry already"
I said it will eventually dry up
"Eventually people will say no and the $2mil they got last year will be $1.5mil this year and then $900k the next and they'll think "hmm what's happening here? why aren't they kicking in $$$ to us for the FTF"
And they will wonder why?
So registering a Trademark automatically means that you're going to use it. Didn't know that. Good to learn.
I would have thought registering a trademark and protecting some IP for something that you may use regularly, intermittently or as needed is just good sensible business practice.
Apart from the Patron's fund I've seen no Fighting Tiger utterances this year.
But i do see a well organized club, sensibly protecting a good marketing term/trademark.
Of course the club is going to continue its fund raising efforts and so it should. I doubt we will see such a large scale campaign again or at least for a very long time. Hopefully never again.
And seriously, do we really think the club is going to rely on the influx of money we have seen from the FTF over the past few years? I know some people think the staff who run the club are a bunch of idiots but they are not complete morons. We're not Melbourne people.
Apart from the Patron's fund I've seen no Fighting Tiger utterances this year.
Apart from the Patron's fund I've seen no Fighting Tiger utterances this year.
then you are very lucky indeed. I have a a few
And BTW Are you saying you didn't receive anything about the Rd20 Jumper where you could have you name printed on it for $299 or for Patron's I think the price was only $250 odd?
Because all the $$$ from that was/is for the FTF fund and I believe every member got an email about it - so I reckon that qualifies as an "utterance" ;D
Correct me if I'm wrong here but I have heard nothing from the club ,from where its going to replace the revenue lost from losing the pokies venue to Mathieson and co.I think its been about 12 months now since this happened.I hope the club is not putting all its eggs into the FTF basket
Will the guarantee reserve s at PRO? :banghead
Yep 110% sure thing
$100 on the blues in round 1. Il donate the winnings to the FTF.
They wont get a cent out of my own pocket. 2 memberships for 10 plus years time they showed us the money.
Yep 110% sure thingThey usually slap Port at Etihad. Money well spent if you ask me. :clapping
$100 on the blues in round 1. Il donate the winnings to the FTF.
They wont get a cent out of my own pocket. 2 memberships for 10 plus years time they showed us the money.
I want a refund.Me too. Reckon they'll give me one. I only used the piece of poo once. :lol
Great work showing the FTF ad "Are you giving 110%?" during the 3rd quarter :facepalm. The poor timing reminiscent of the old ad with Spud saying if you don't turn up why should we. Well we are still turning up; it'd be nice if the team turned up more than once a decade with above U12s skills ::).
Great work showing the FTF ad "Are you giving 110%?" during the 3rd quarter :facepalm. The poor timing reminiscent of the old ad with Spud saying if you don't turn up why should we. Well we are still turning up; it'd be nice if the team turned up more than once a decade with above U12s skills ::).
Great work showing the FTF ad "Are you giving 110%?" during the 3rd quarter :facepalm. The poor timing reminiscent of the old ad with Spud saying if you don't turn up why should we. Well we are still turning up; it'd be nice if the team turned up more than once a decade with above U12s skills ::).Groans in N51 too...... >:(
Great work showing the FTF ad "Are you giving 110%?" during the 3rd quarter :facepalm. The poor timing reminiscent of the old ad with Spud saying if you don't turn up why should we. Well we are still turning up; it'd be nice if the team turned up more than once a decade with above U12s skills ::).