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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on January 10, 2011, 09:58:36 AM
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It's less than 4 weeks until our first preseason game so a good time to look at individual players heading into 2011.
First up is Gus. He played 15 games in 2010 to take his total to 33 all up since being picked up in the 2005 rookie draft.
What are your expectations for Gus this year and what would be a good year from him?
Career so far:
Games K H D M HO T G.B
2006: -
2007: 2 1.5 1.5 3.0 1.0 8.5 2.0 0.0
2008: -
2009: 16 2.9 6.5 9.4 3.4 14.2 2.9 5.3
2010: 15 4.2 6.5 10.7 3.1 19.2 3.4 6.4
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1785&SeasonID=ALL
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22 games if fully fit. Push back to help the defenders a bit more ala Benny Gale and take at least 5 marks a game (he needs to get a lot better with his marking). Just needs to work his ar$e off basically :-\
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stay upright.
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I think he got too big last year and his leap and fitness suffered. But he has trimmed down now, so hopefully he jumps higher and runs further like he did in 2009. He does need to work on his body work and marking though
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to be fully afl fit and to be competitive at every contest he competes
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He needs to improve on 10.7 disposals per game, he really needs to improve on 19.2 hitouts per game and he really really needs to improve on 3.1 marks per game.
As Ed said "Just needs to work his ar$e off basically".
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He needs to improve on 10.7 disposals per game, he really needs to improve on 19.2 hitouts per game and he really really needs to improve on 3.1 marks per game.
As Ed said "Just needs to work his ar$e off basically".
Bingo :thumbsup
Outside of that needs to take more contested marks as well
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dud shouldnt be hard to find a better option but at richmond apparently its just to hard.
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So here we have a 23 years Old Ruckman in Angus Grahram
Career so far:
Games K H D M HO T G.B
2006: -
2007: 2 1.5 1.5 3.0 1.0 8.5 2.0 0.0
2008: -
2009: 16 2.9 6.5 9.4 3.4 14.2 2.9 5.3
2010: 15 4.2 6.5 10.7 3.1 19.2 3.4 6.4
And lets look at the the best big man for the last decade at the same age
2001: 17 3.6 4.1 7.7 2.2 10.8 1.1 2.2
2002: 19 5.1 5.1 10.2 4.3 16.2 0.9 7.1
2003 19 6.6 4.6 11.2 3.9 17.5 0.6 10.3
2004: 23 7.5 6.2 13.7 5.1 22.3 1.6 5.10
Now I am not saying big Gus will be a Dean Cox but if you must be able to see the trends for big guys. Give him a go , he has had injury which slowed him down and therefore has nowhere near the same number of games as Dean Cox but his stats are not far off at same age.
Wouldnt it be nice if he followed the same trend as big Cox. Ok I am dreaming but if he keeps improving he just might be our guy.
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dud shouldnt be hard to find a better option but at richmond apparently its just to hard.
Yeah ruckman should be able to run 10 second 100's, jump and reach of 3.5m and get 30 possessions a game 8)
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So here we have a 23 years Old Ruckman in Angus Grahram
Career so far:
Games K H D M HO T G.B
2006: -
2007: 2 1.5 1.5 3.0 1.0 8.5 2.0 0.0
2008: -
2009: 16 2.9 6.5 9.4 3.4 14.2 2.9 5.3
2010: 15 4.2 6.5 10.7 3.1 19.2 3.4 6.4
And lets look at the the best big man for the last decade at the same age
2001: 17 3.6 4.1 7.7 2.2 10.8 1.1 2.2
2002: 19 5.1 5.1 10.2 4.3 16.2 0.9 7.1
2003 19 6.6 4.6 11.2 3.9 17.5 0.6 10.3
2004: 23 7.5 6.2 13.7 5.1 22.3 1.6 5.10
Now I am not saying big Gus will be a Dean Cox but if you must be able to see the trends for big guys. Give him a go , he has had injury which slowed him down and therefore has nowhere near the same number of games as Dean Cox but his stats are not far off at same age.
Wouldnt it be nice if he followed the same trend as big Cox. Ok I am dreaming but if he keeps improving he just might be our guy.
Not having a crack at you Fluffy but personally I hate these stats comparing players when they were at the same age. Cox is a Cox, Gus is Gus. Gus will never have the ability of a Dean Cox (I know you didn't say that). Cox is athletic, is a good kick and has a nice pair of hands and he's an intelligent player. Gus isn't going to pick up those attributes anytime soon, IMO. He has improved a lot but I don't see him ever being much more than a depth player when we're challenging for top 4.
BrownE is a similar type to him, he's just a lot more talented. I reckon BrownE will play a fair few games next season if he's got his fitness up.
I think it is make or break for Gus next season. Might not seem like it but he's in strife if Vickery, the new dude and Browne get picked over him. Only 22 games is acceptable from Graham.
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As i keep saying ruckman don't have to be stars. As long as they are at least 2m tall and can compete in ruck, have reasonable skill, athletism and strength and compete around the ground then you are doing your job. If you find a superstar then thats a rare bonus 8)
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Contested marking is also very important. I don't think Gus offers anywhere near enough in that area...
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Not having a crack at you Fluffy but personally I hate these stats comparing players when they were at the same age. Cox is a Cox, Gus is Gus. Gus will never have the ability of a Dean Cox (I know you didn't say that). Cox is athletic, is a good kick and has a nice pair of hands and he's an intelligent player. Gus isn't going to pick up those attributes anytime soon, IMO. He has improved a lot but I don't see him ever being much more than a depth player when we're challenging for top 4.
BrownE is a similar type to him, he's just a lot more talented. I reckon BrownE will play a fair few games next season if he's got his fitness up.
I think it is make or break for Gus next season. Might not seem like it but he's in strife if Vickery, the new dude and Browne get picked over him. Only 22 games is acceptable from Graham.
You do know Cox was a rookie and wasn't always the athletic gun ruckman you've seen him turn into
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Not having a crack at you Fluffy but personally I hate these stats comparing players when they were at the same age. Cox is a Cox, Gus is Gus. Gus will never have the ability of a Dean Cox (I know you didn't say that). Cox is athletic, is a good kick and has a nice pair of hands and he's an intelligent player. Gus isn't going to pick up those attributes anytime soon, IMO. He has improved a lot but I don't see him ever being much more than a depth player when we're challenging for top 4.
BrownE is a similar type to him, he's just a lot more talented. I reckon BrownE will play a fair few games next season if he's got his fitness up.
I think it is make or break for Gus next season. Might not seem like it but he's in strife if Vickery, the new dude and Browne get picked over him. Only 22 games is acceptable from Graham.
You do know Cox was a rookie and wasn't always the athletic gun ruckman you've seen him turn into
No poo sherlock. :clapping I also know that Richo wasn't 100 kilos when we drafted him :shh Cox could hardly run a 400 when he first got to West Coast. Fact is though when fit he's always been a good athlete. Gus isn't and never will be.
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Contested marking is also very important. I don't think Gus offers anywhere near enough in that area...
Spot on
Also don't think from a defensive viewpoint he gets back to oppositions goal line as much as he should to protect that space and make a contest
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I think it is make or break for Gus next season. Might not seem like it but he's in strife if Vickery, the new dude and Browne get picked over him. Only 22 games is acceptable from Graham.
I do agree that is make or break for Gus this year but mainly because of the fact that we have 4 young rucks and the fact they changed the interchange rule. I have seen so many rucks get palmed off or traded just to go on and hit their straps at other teams, I am willing to give the big Guy a go for this season at least. Lets hope its his breakout year and we all wondered why we questioned him.
And BTW I am more worried about Vickery, Gus was a rookie, Vickery was our first round pick (pick 8 I think). He needs to show some improvement this season.
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Fair enough :thumbsup
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And BTW I am more worried about Vickery, Gus was a rookie, Vickery was our first round pick (pick 8 I think). He needs to show some improvement this season.
Vickery hs only two seasons under his belt and is over 4 years younger than Gus so stop worrying Fluffy and give him a couple more years.. :thumbsup
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I think it is make or break for Gus next season. Might not seem like it but he's in strife if Vickery, the new dude and Browne get picked over him. Only 22 games is acceptable from Graham.
I do agree that is make or break for Gus this year but mainly because of the fact that we have 4 young rucks and the fact they changed the interchange rule. I have seen so many rucks get palmed off or traded just to go on and hit their straps at other teams, I am willing to give the big Guy a go for this season at least. Lets hope its his breakout year and we all wondered why we questioned him.
And BTW I am more worried about Vickery, Gus was a rookie, Vickery was our first round pick (pick 8 I think). He needs to show some improvement this season.
is that right bloody hell no wonder we are all labelled as ferals and impatient.
just where do you think vickery should improve. to me at coburg hes a skinny yes very skinny kid whos 200cmplus and had just 2 yrs. have you even stopped to consider that just perhaps he has done well to get the games hes got.
i tell ya what unlike graham when hes 100 plus kg and played his fair share of games against men come and tell me hes no good. you may be right but until at the least he can compete physically and on an even footing with more experienced ruckman may i suggest patience is the catchcry.
and yep i have concerns about vickery but ffs where he was taken has absolutely nothing to do with those concerns. sheesh why is it people expect athletic skinny runts to compete against athletic monsters. shouldnt we wait until they at least have the physical attributes to even compete before we start demanding performance.
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All I said is he is more of a worry to me than Graham and that I think he needs to show some improvemnt this season, I didnt say I expect him to dominate or as you say "compete against athletic monsters". To me he hasnt shown so far what they must have saw in him to pick him at number 8. He looked lost up foward to me I will say it again "he needs to show some improvement".
Improvement is a fair request, even I think his coaches would be asking for that not just us ("Ferals")
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Contested marking is also very important. I don't think Gus offers anywhere near enough in that area...
Spot on
Also don't think from a defensive viewpoint he gets back to oppositions goal line as much as he should to protect that space and make a contest
Yep. Conceded plenty of goals last year from set shots where the ball fell short and the presence of a ruckman would have resulted in the ball being touched through, marked or at worse back into a contested situation in the field of play.
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I think that ruckmen are often under instruction not to get back to the goal line so they are ready to create an option for the kick out if there is a point. Now that they dont have wait for the flags to be waved there is not time for the ruckmen to run from the goal square to CHF (or there abouts) before the kick is taken.
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I think that ruckmen are often under instruction not to get back to the goal line so they are ready to create an option for the kick out if there is a point. Now that they dont have wait for the flags to be waved there is not time for the ruckmen to run from the goal square to CHF (or there abouts) before the kick is taken.
Good point Al. Bit of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'. Unless of course, you have the speed and stamina of a De Castella!!
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I think Gus is criticized unfairly. His season was at least 'serviceable' and he can definitely still improve. I like that he has trimmed down a little over summer.
I have seen enough snippets of skill and athleticism from Vicks to be patient with him. :pray
I dont get this argument that I hear sometimes about the ruck not being an important position, or 'you only need an average ruckman' argument.
Hog-wash! It is a pivotal position. A quality ruckman is akin to an extra midfielder.We wouldnt be happy if one of our midfielders was just 'average.' A ruckman that can take marks around the ground and kick a couple of sausage rolls is incredibly valuable.
Why do you think Collingwood went so hard after Jolly?
I feel that its a very important position and one in which we can use the rookie system to great advantage, if our scouts are proficient, a la Big Cox and hopefully Gus.
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(ps, If I dont reply its because im somewhere in India pooting fire-water, hoo-roo.)
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What the stuff are you doing here? Go back to you know where and play with the children
Yes, a quality ruckman is important...which is why we need the Big V and BrownE to develop quickly :shh
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I think Gus is criticized unfairly. His season was at least 'serviceable' and he can definitely still improve. I like that he has trimmed down a little over summer.
I have seen enough snippets of skill and athleticism from Vicks to be patient with him. :pray
I dont get this argument that I hear sometimes about the ruck not being an important position, or 'you only need an average ruckman' argument.
Hog-wash! It is a pivotal position. A quality ruckman is akin to an extra midfielder.We wouldnt be happy if one of our midfielders was just 'average.' A ruckman that can take marks around the ground and kick a couple of sausage rolls is incredibly valuable.
Why do you think Collingwood went so hard after Jolly?
I feel that its a very important position and one in which we can use the rookie system to great advantage, if our scouts are proficient, a la Big Cox and hopefully Gus.
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(ps, If I dont reply its because im somewhere in India pooting fire-water, hoo-roo.)
wtf said ruck isnt an important position??
They need to be tied up and peeed on. :police:
Most important role in a team which is why we got rodgered last year as we played our developing kid rucks.
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i think it may have been the MAD one who said that.
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All I said is he is more of a worry to me than Graham and that I think he needs to show some improvemnt this season, I didnt say I expect him to dominate or as you say "compete against athletic monsters". To me he hasnt shown so far what they must have saw in him to pick him at number 8. He looked lost up foward to me I will say it again "he needs to show some improvement".
Improvement is a fair request, even I think his coaches would be asking for that not just us ("Ferals")
if he were to play at coburg all season and have a very good yr would you call that improvement. because the reality is that is where he should have been thus far. and that is probably where he should play a half two thirds of his footy this season.
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I liked Gus's game last night. Continually was able to work his way to the front position against McEvoy for the clean-ish hitout (especially after 1/4 time) and gave our mids a fair chance of winning the footy. While 9 possies isn't much in itself, 30 hitouts and laying 6 tackles is a decent night's work from a ruckman.
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I thought he was okay too but he dropped that mark in the last quarter that got St Kilda the goal which levelled it up at 81-81 just as we were ready to pull the trigger and launch forward again.
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I actually thought it was one of the best games I've seen Gus play, granted a few times refused to follow McEvoy to either forward our down back but I thought overall he was very good
Thought the bump he laid in the 3rd qtr was an absolute gem and is one of the things he should do more of - use his size to intimidate the opposition. Would go as far as to say that bump was the best thing I've seen him do on a footy field :clapping :clapping
Friday night's game needs to become the norm rather than the expection. Do that and he will go a long long way in silencing his critics (including me ;D)
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Four years younger than jamer.
Won't be delisted.
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Angus did remove his finger out of his behind on Friday Night, needs to go on from here
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I actually thought it was one of the best games I've seen Gus play, granted a few times refused to follow McEvoy to either forward our down back but I thought overall he was very good
Thought the bump he laid in the 3rd qtr was an absolute gem and is one of the things he should do more of - use his size to intimidate the opposition. Would go as far as to say that bump was the best thing I've seen him do on a footy field :clapping :clapping
Friday night's game needs to become the norm rather than the expection. Do that and he will go a long long way in silencing his critics (including me ;D)
I would like to see that.... :lol
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I actually thought it was one of the best games I've seen Gus play, granted a few times refused to follow McEvoy to either forward our down back but I thought overall he was very good
Thought the bump he laid in the 3rd qtr was an absolute gem and is one of the things he should do more of - use his size to intimidate the opposition. Would go as far as to say that bump was the best thing I've seen him do on a footy field :clapping :clapping
Friday night's game needs to become the norm rather than the expection. Do that and he will go a long long way in silencing his critics (including me ;D)
I would like to see that.... :lol
Time will tell ;)
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He kicked four goals in the corresponding game against Hawthorn last year and hit a bit of a purple patch in form. Lets hope he can reproduce some of that form again this week and help us get over the line on Sat night. :gotigers
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Hold your marks Gus FFS. :banghead
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Thought the bump he laid in the 3rd qtr was an absolute gem and is one of the things he should do more of - use his size to intimidate the opposition. Would go as far as to say that bump was the best thing I've seen him do on a footy field
Yesssss
Angus did remove his finger out of his behind on Friday Night, needs to go on from here
Most def, along with a good few others
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he is weak as pee.
doesnt even bend a blade of grass when he runs, thats how weak the "'goose"' is.
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Was very poor against Hawks
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Just a matter of time before Derrickx gets a game in front of him.
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To GWS for a 3rd Round pick will be best result for us.
Gus is the worst player on our list IMHO.
Getting a game be default.
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extremely disappointing that we had to put up with the "very bad" Gus last night :banghead :banghead
Until Gus realises that one of his jobs is to go back the opposition's goal line and defend, he will continue to cop the whacks he deserves. This is a basic of being the ruckman, a basic of being 6ft bloody 8 or 9 :banghead
Does Gus do this no siree bob, Gus stands around the 50mtr arc watching proceedings
Result of the above: 2nd qtr, some Hawk took a mark (can't remember who) offloads to young Savage who kicks a low floating kick about 40mtrs, it just makes it over the goal line. Now if a smart ruckman was where he should have been there is fairly good chance that this kick would have been touched on the line and it becomes a point rather than a goal
After the goal is signalled Gus stands hands on hips and drops his head and then after a moment he starts to jog back to the centre circle....
In a nutshell folks, that one thing last night highlights why I get annoyed with him, why I get frustrated with him, why I am critical of him and why I cannot understand why he continues to get a game when he wont do the obligatory team first things that are the basics of the position he plays in the TEAM :banghead
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I thought i seen Gus sitting in N7 next to Ma Powell , ? was I wrong ;) :-\ :o
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he's bl;oody woeful, has he taken a mark yet...Browne wouldnt have to do much to improve on his pathetic efforts
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I thought i seen Gus sitting in N7 next to Ma Powell , ? was I wrong ;) :-\ :o
I wish Ma Powell was at the footy Jack but Ma Powell passed away just over 5 years ago :'( :'(
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I thought i seen Gus sitting in N7 next to Ma Powell , ? was I wrong ;) :-\ :o
I wish Ma Powell was at the footy Jack but Ma Powell passed away just over 5 years ago :'( :'(
Sorry, thought that was your Mum :( :-[ :-[ :-[
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I thought i seen Gus sitting in N7 next to Ma Powell , ? was I wrong ;) :-\ :o
I wish Ma Powell was at the footy Jack but Ma Powell passed away just over 5 years ago :'( :'(
Sorry, thought that was your Mum :( :-[ :-[ :-[
No dramas Jack
The lovely lady I was sitting with I met when we both started sitting in those reserved seats just on 20 years ago. Over the years we've become great friends. We even catch up over the summer these days - she a great lady :thumbsup
Actually that's why I love those seats there is another group in front who've been sitting there for at least 15 years and I've been mates with them all that time too. Don't see one another in the "off season" but footy season we all come back - it's one of the great things footy has givne me to be honest
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just a giant turtle!
trade to West Sydney ASAP!
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He's no good.
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The great "'angus "" should be at McDonalds
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Doesn't have the fitness required for AFL footy, that's why he can't get down to full back when the opposition is having shots from 50.
Everytime I looked at him Fri night he was huffing and puffing with his hands on his knees!
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Doesn't have the fitness required for AFL footy, that's why he can't get down to full back when the opposition is having shots from 50.
Everytime I looked at him Fri night he was huffing and puffing with his hands on his knees!
Yep, fitness or attitude..................and the combination makes him a big liability.
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We won't find a better ruck for a while and trading him will put us back even further. Need to get this Direct X bloke up and running.
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We won't find a better ruck for a while and trading him will put us back even further. Need to get this Direct X bloke up and running.
BrownE might not be any better at ruckwork but he is a lot more committed and competitive on the ground.
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I thought i seen Gus sitting in N7 next to Ma Powell , ? was I wrong ;) :-\ :o
I wish Ma Powell was at the footy Jack but Ma Powell passed away just over 5 years ago :'( :'(
Sorry, thought that was your Mum :( :-[ :-[ :-[
No dramas Jack
The lovely lady I was sitting with I met when we both started sitting in those reserved seats just on 20 years ago. Over the years we've become great friends. We even catch up over the summer these days - she a great lady :thumbsup
Actually that's why I love those seats there is another group in front who've been sitting there for at least 15 years and I've been mates with them all that time too. Don't see one another in the "off season" but footy season we all come back - it's one of the great things footy has givne me to be honest
buddy dont be so how does one put it without too much offense ah glib. get of your arse invite em around for a bbq or drinks or something. 15 stuffing yrs.
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oh in relation to the thread have i ever mentioned angus is a dud.
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buddy dont be so how does one put it without too much offense ah glib. get of your behind invite em around for a bbq or drinks or something. 15 effing yrs.
:cheers :cheers
onya claw
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our expectations for him this year should be that he at least puts in some effort at marking contests. the amount of times we lose the ball from a kick-in because he gets outmarked is just about reaching epidemic proportions.
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our expectations for him this year should be that he at least puts in some effort at marking contests. the amount of times we lose the ball from a kick-in because he gets outmarked is just about reaching epidemic proportions.
raped too many times like yourself, will come good in 12 months with Browne