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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on January 24, 2005, 04:55:57 AM
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Royal mentioned on SEN on the weekend that the choice of captain was out of the following 4 - Bowden, Brown, Johnson and Richo. Who should and/or will get it?
I'll still stick with Johnno as although he arguably isn't the superstar footballer of the four, he has shown over a number of years he is the most consistent quality performer out of all of them IMO.
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I'll go for Bowden - winning the B&F last year and turning his form around hasn't hurt his chances.
Plus he's a pretty good communicator - his interviews on tellie are always good - and represents the club well.
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Forget exactly where and when, but I think it might’ve been Greg Miller who was being interviewed at some stage late last year and he mentioned that we didn’t really have anyone who was the whole package, as far as a Captain goes. I guess, meaning someone who was an on-field leader, who could inspire his teammates, can work well in the media and be a good communicator and have the necessary maturity to match the role.
Having someone like TW as coach, who works really well in the media, probably places less priority on the Captain needing to gain a high media profile, so the emphasis on Captain could probably be geared towards the on-field side of things, seeing as the media side is pretty much handled and our biggest weakness is on-field leadership anyway.
Because we don’t see what goes on behind the scenes, of the 4 mentioned, it’s hard to know who the players look up to and how they relate to their teammates and all the other areas that will decide who the Captain will be.
So all we have to go on is probably not much. Whoever is chosen will obviously need to earn the role first and all of them could probably do the job justice. Of the 4 though, the one with the most obvious potential to grow in the role is Bowden. To me, he seems the most likely to get something different out of himself by being Captain, if he put his mind to it.
So I’ll go Bowden as well.
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With no standout candidate I'd be happy with Johnson or Bowden. Brown may also be captain material, but I think there could be a favouritism perception with a TW - Brown combination, however unfair that might be.
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I reckon it will be out of Johnson or Richo.
I reckon Richo is a big show.
Also, I heard on them say on 3AW on Saturday that Tezza is due to be on Sports Tonight this week - Dwayne Russell said it was probably going to be tonight. maybe tezza will shed some light on it
I'll keep an ear out for it :thumbsup
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Brown wants to be Tiger captain
24 January 2005 Herald Sun
Rebecca Williams
A MORE mature attitude has Nathan Brown convinced he is ready to take on the Richmond captaincy.
The 26-year-old forward has revealed he will put his hand up to lead the Tigers in only his second year at Punt Rd.
Brown is one of four players who have been told they are in contention to replace Wayne Campbell, who stood down as captain at the end of last season.
Midfielder Kane Johnson, full-forward Matthew Richardson and 2004 best-and-fairest Joel Bowden are understood to be the other contenders.
Brown, whose TV role as a gay doctor on Footy Show spoof Bulger MD came under scrutiny by the club last year, said he had a lot to offer as captain.
"There's four of us who have been told that we're up for captaincy nomination," Brown said. "I'll definitely put my hand up.
"Two or three years ago, I wouldn't have thought that (I'd want to captain). But in the last two or three years, I guess I've matured and grown up a bit.
"At a club with so many young blokes now, I feel like I've got a lot to offer and a fairly good football brain.
"If that (captaincy) came my way, I'd grab it with two hands."
Despite the Tigers' woes last season, Brown is confident the new captain will be taking on the role in a stable environment.
Brown said new coach Terry Wallace, his former mentor at the Western Bulldogs, had already made a big impression.
"We've got a good relationship and it's just good to be reunited again," said Brown, who helped play a role in luring Wallace to the club.
"I can see after two years apart how good a coach he is, what he has to say and his ideas on football. I don't want to offend anyone else, but in my view he's easily the best coach I've played under.
"But he doesn't play any favourites. He's very hard on me as he always has been."
Like all at Punt Rd, Brown is desperate to make amends for a horror 2004, in which the Tigers finished last with just four wins.
"It was probably the worst season team-wise that I've ever had," Brown said.
"I finished on the bottom with the Bulldogs, but that was nothing compared to last year. We really hit rock-bottom.
"It's a very lonely place, football, when you're not winning and everyone wants to have a shot at you.
"Everyone was having a shot at us last year, and rightly so. We were terrible and we've got to try and gain respect back from the football world."
Brown is confident the Tigers can bounce back in 2005.
He said the injection of fresh blood, which included five of the top 20 draft picks, had already made a difference.
"We're not going to get ahead of ourselves and aim for anything ridiculous, but with a new coach and a new game style, it's been a fantastic summer to get our confidence back," Brown said.
"New guys really get the enthusiasm up around the club."
Brown said he felt fit and had added bulk this pre-season, but was aware "there are no heroes made in January".
He said he was prepared to take on whatever playing role Wallace required of him.
"I think under Terry it's going to be different," he said.
"It will probably go back to where I played at the Bulldogs. I'll probably spend 60 per cent of my time up forward and then releasing up the ground as Terry sees fit."
Despite the Dr Pink issue last year, Brown said he planned to continue his work in the media.
"Dr Pink has hit the skids now. I think he's in jail somewhere," he joked.
"But I'll continue to do my media work . . . there's got to be a balance there and you've got to be able to enjoy yourself outside of football, too."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,12030593%255E20322,00.html
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Brown for me.
Brown has as big a reputation ( meaning spectator and supporters alike) as any of them.
Brown is as good if not a better player than any of them.
Kane Johnson is carrying an injury.
Brown communicates to the media off the field better than any of them.
Brown is ready for the job, wants the job and knows what Wallace needs and wants better than any of them other than Royal and Royal is a coach and not a player so can't be captain.
Brown will better direct the game plan on the ground having played under Wallace before.
I just think he is the logical choice (all emotion aside) If Kane was 100% fit then he might have a bit more of a chance but doesn't match it with Brown (experiance wise) on other factors.
Now having posted this, they'll Pick Richo for the job. ;D
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"I can see after two years apart how good a coach he is, what he has to say and his ideas on football. I don't want to offend anyone else, but in my view he's easily the best coach I've played under.
"It was probably the worst season team-wise that I've ever had," Brown said.
"I finished on the bottom with the Bulldogs, but that was nothing compared to last year. We really hit rock-bottom.
Not a tough choice for best coach after back to back wooden spoons for Browny under Peter Rhode and then Spud :P.
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If Kane was 100% fit then he might have a bit more of a chance
Yeah that's the main negative against Johnno although he appears to be able to stay healthy moreso now than he did a few years ago with his hamstring problems.
I don't necessarily see that your best player has to be captain. Mark Bickley won back to back flags as captain and although he was a good player he was no superstar compared to the likes of Macleod and Riccuito.
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Also, I heard on them say on 3AW on Saturday that Tezza is due to be on Sports Tonight this week - Dwayne Russell said it was probably going to be tonight. maybe tezza will shed some light on it
I'll keep an ear out for it :thumbsup
Well from what i heard there was no Tezza on 3AW - some tennis match going on until about 7.45pm ::) ::)
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We shouldn't have a captain if we don't have a suitable candidate.
But as deficient as everyone is, I think Johnson has the least deficiencies.
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I don't necessarily see that your best player has to be captain. Mark Bickley won back to back flags as captain and although he was a good player he was no superstar compared to the likes of Macleod and Riccuito.
Pls forgive my ignorance MT but why did Bickley lose the Crows captaincy?
(i was in the UK at the time.)
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Pls forgive my ignorance MT but why did Bickley lose the Crows captaincy?
(i was in the UK at the time.)
IIRC he did a Cambo. The crows missed the finals so he stepped down to play the last year or so of his career as just a player and passed the baton onto someone younger.
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Bowden would be my choice for captain. Richo vice-captain.
Harshly judged by many Richmond supporters, more harshly than by opposition supporters. Along with Brown, the players who would be walk-up starters at any club.
Apparently both dropped from the leadership group in an unfair manner by Spud but still regarded as leaders by the players.
Bowden grew up in the NT where being laconic seems to be second nature, and I think many mistake this as laziness. He is a class act on and off the field and comes across very well in the media. I think he would handle all aspects of the captaincy and be distinguished in the job. Out of all the Richmond players he is the one I would actually feel proud to have as the captain.
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Tigers test leadership hopefuls
The Age
By Melissa Ryan
Mildura
February 3, 2005
Richmond's captaincy candidates get the chance to display their credentials under match conditions.
Richmond's captaincy choice will be forged "in the heat of battle" during the pre-season competition.
Tigers coach Terry Wallace will decide which of the four heirs apparent - Matthew Richardson, Nathan Brown, Kane Johnson or Joel Bowden - will lead the club into its new era after testing each one's leadership and performance.
Each of the four will have a trial game as captain in Richmond's Wizard Cup and practice match series, with Wallace hoping to name Wayne Campbell's replacement "deep into the Wizard Cup".
"We're very much in a situation where I said to the football club that I wanted to see the blokes in the heat of battle before I made my decision," Wallace said. "I always believe at this time of year, although it's physically hard, it's managed more.
"You follow instructions, you're told when to get there, what to do and everything's pretty much managed."
Two weeks ago, Wallace asked the playing group to rank the four players in a private vote, with their ballots to be seen only by the coach. He will also consult the board, the match committee and "I will probably ask a couple of people I respect outside the footy club" before making his final decision.
Neither Richardson - whose leadership prospects have previously been questioned after outbursts against teammates and towards opposition fans - nor Bowden were part of Richmond's leadership group last year, but both enjoyed superb individual seasons despite the team's poor showing.
Richardson booted 65 goals at full-forward and the often-maligned Bowden blossomed at centre half-back to claim the club's best-and-fairest award.
Johnson has been a model of consistency since crossing from Adelaide while Brown's impact after only a year with the Tigers has been sizeable.
"Those four will be the team leaders of the club," Wallace said. "Matthew's won best and fairests and is a top-level player, you've got Nathan who was vice-captain of Australia this year.
"You've got Joel who's a best-and-fairest winner and has history at the club, and you've got Kane who's been a really solid performer over a long period of time and a premiership player."
Young star Mark Coughlan, touted as a future club captain, and former vice-captain Darren Gaspar were not considered by Wallace, who opted to let them concentrate on overcoming groin and knee injuries respectively.
The four players were yesterday keen to play down any competition between them and reinforced their support for each other no matter who got the nod.
"Terry was in the media last year and the year before, and as an opposition coach, and to have him come in straight away and say, 'I see you as a strong consistent good player at this club and I think you can lead us into the future' is a boost for my aspirations to do that," Bowden said.
Johnson said: "All along we've said to each other we'll support who gets it. We don't really care which one - obviously we'd all like to do it - but at the end of the day whoever gets it will be the best man for the job and we'll be supporting who it is."
Richardson has longed for the captaincy "so if the opportunity came up, it would be fantastic".
Brown, meanwhile, said it was a "great honour" to be in the running after only a year and said he would be humbled if chosen. As well as an exciting batch of youngsters, he said, the club had "a great new coach, we've got two new ruckmen now so it would be a good time to be captain now".
CAPTAINCY CANDIDATES
Joel Bowden
Age 26
Debut 1996
Games 170
"The four of us are all very good friends and I think that's a positive. Regardless of who's annointed it will be a group of four who work together."
Kane Johnson
Age 26
Debut 1996 (Adelaide, joined Richmond in 2003)
Games 143
"It would mean a lot to me and I suppose it would mean a lot to all the boys ... If it came along I'd be more than happy and delighted to do it."
Nathan Brown
Age 26
Debut 1997 (Western Bulldogs, joined Richmond in 2004)
Games 157
"I'd be quite humbled and very excited at the same time ... If I get the opportunity to, I'll take it with both hands and do it to the best of my ability."
Matthew Richardson
Age 29
Debut 1993
Games 194
"Like anyone if you get the opportunity to captain an AFL team you'd love to take it, so if the opportunity came up it would be fantastic."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/02/02/1107228768709.html?oneclick=true
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Having read the above article I think the captaincy is out of Bowden and Johnson. I'm quite impressed by Bowden's comments.
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"Those four will be the team leaders of the club," Wallace said. "Matthew's won best and fairests and is a top-level player
How many Terry?
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"Those four will be the team leaders of the club," Wallace said. "Matthew's won best and fairests and is a top-level player
How many Terry?
LOL
Terry must have meant the Devonport U14's ;).
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Richo for me too - I think with a bit more freedom roaming up the ground with not all the pressure being a sole forward target and the responsibility of captain may be just the tonic he & Richmond need. :cheers
NB: I am going to have a bit of a go at him in the Brownlow too :shh
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Bowden for me....I think the responsibility will be good for him. Even though not in the official leadership group last year he was definitely the leader in the back line. Quite often you could see him helping the younger guys out with directions and positions etc.
I think both Richo & Bowden will relish not playing under the dud.
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This is the current results of the poll from the official RFC site:
Kane Johnson 40%
Joel Bowden 28%
Matthew Richardson 14%
Nathan Brown 18%
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How we’ll pick the next Tiger captain
4:54:38 PM Fri 11 February, 2005
Richmond coach Terry Wallace
richmondfc.com.au
When you consider names such as Jack Dyer, Percy Bentley, Roger Dean and Royce Hart, who have led Richmond into the field of battle with such distinction, the job of selecting the next Tiger captain needs to be given very serious consideration.
Wayne Campbell stood down as captain at the end of the 2004 season after four years in the role and his successor will be given the task of helping to turn around the on-field fortunes of the Club.
Every Richmond member and supporter would have their own favorite for the captaincy, but from a Club aspect, the captain will be required to fit the specifications set in place.
With the development of the game, each AFL club now needs their leader to be multi-skilled.
The most important criteria will be their ability to lead the team on match day and provide guidance to what is now a young playing group, to ensure that all players realise their potential. A team captain does this by setting the example, both playing and training-wise, as well as being a good communicator.
Successful clubs are well led, both on and off the field, and you only have to look at the influence that the likes of Michael Voss and James Hird have had on their respective teams, to realise how important a good captain is.
Off the field, the captain’s responsibilities have increased dramatically in recent years. He now must be available to members, supporters, coteries, and corporate sponsors. Also, his public profile drives him to be a solid media performer and confident public speaker.
It is not essential for the captain to be the best performer in the team, but the senior coach must be able to rely on this player to give his best efforts, particularly in a crisis situation.
When our match committee sat down and started discussing the captaincy role, we decided to gain some outside assistance from a company who deals with leadership in both a corporate and sporting sense.
The first task was to determine exactly what we, as a club, wanted from our captain, as there are many forms of leadership. We categorised exactly what was important to us, and four players, who we believed best fitted our leadership criteria, were selected – Joel Bowden, Nathan Brown, Kane Johnson and Matthew Richardson.
The next step was to canvass all areas of the club to get their opinions, as the captain will be the strongest player representative to the other departments at Tigerland.
We then asked the players who they believed should lead them into the 2005 season. No single player’s vote would be a determining factor, instead we will put all parts of the jigsaw puzzle together, until we feel we have the right leader.
Next week, the players will fill in a questionnaire that will allow us to determine the strengths and weaknesses of the captaincy candidates from the key leadership areas determined by the match committee.
The final process for me is watching the players first-hand in the heat of battle. I have perceptions from the outside of how resilient each candidate may be, but sometimes there is a huge difference between perception and reality.
It is only fair to allow each player to show their mettle on game-day, before we make our final decision.
The Club’s Family Day is set down for Sunday, March 13, and I believe the timing would be right then for Wayne Campbell to hand over the baton to our new leader on that day. From a media perspective, we may hold a press conference late the week before, so that the captain’s first official function would be speaking to the Tiger fans on Family Day at Punt Road.
I have enormous respect for all four candidates, to select them over and above everyone else at the Club at this stage. The four will be our on-field leaders in some capacity for the ’05 season.
Here’s my brief assessment of their credentials for the captaincy role . . .
* Joel Bowden has a fine understanding of Richmond’s history and tradition through his family background. He has always been a quality player and showed good leadership skills when the team was struggling last season. Joel also has a strong sense of community, and presents himself well with his ability to communicate publicly.
* Nathan Brown has a style of play on the field that can turn a game, which is important as a leader. He has a high public profile, enabling him to spread the Richmond message nationwide. Selected as vice-captain for the All-Australian tour of Ireland late last year, he has been able to develop his leadership skills alongside some of the best players in the land.
* Kane Johnson leads by example and trains the way we want every player to play. He is an honest self-assessor and has a really strong work ethic. Kane comes from a successful premiership background and knows what it takes for a team to win the ultimate prize.
* Matthew Richardson has so many demands placed on him, both on and off the field, which make him a leader in my eyes. Once again, he has a strong sense of Richmond with his family background. Importantly, he gives 100% of himself on game-day and at training. Nobody at the Club does more for supporters and charity.
The following are some of the points in relation to leadership criteria that were presented to the players in more detail:
* Communication skills
* Credibility
* Accountability
* Initiative
* Decisiveness
* Time Management
* Motivation
* Judgment
* Integrity
* Loyalty
* Selflessness
* Dynamics
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=184935
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lol, he loves Browny. Must be tempting for him to pick him.
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lol, he loves Browny. Must be tempting for him to pick him.
lol
So in summarizing Wallace said - Johnno is good. So is Joel. Richo is pretty good also. Browny is a @$%& legend ;D
To be fair Browny's quarter and 3/4 time speeches in the huddle were impressive. Showed he has a strong knowledge of the game Terry wants us to play as well as pointing out the good things the probables did and what certain guys should have done and do next time when they made an error. Wallace was in the huddle listening on.
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I am the only one that voted for Brown and I reckon he's an absolute shoe in. Bowden or Richo will be the Vice Captain.
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lol, he loves Browny. Must be tempting for him to pick him.
lol
So in summarizing Wallace said - Johnno is good. So is Joel. Richo is pretty good also. Browny is a @$%& legend ;D
To be fair Browny's quarter and 3/4 time speeches in the huddle were impressive. Showed he has a strong knowledge of the game Terry wants us to play as well as pointing out the good things the probables did and what certain guys should have done and do next time when they made an error. Wallace was in the huddle listening on.
LOL, I have a feeling Terry will let Brown be trial-captain in the game we are most likely to win.
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I am leaning more towards Richo.
Tezza is the first person I've ever heard say "Richo is a leader in my eyes" and then more importantly explain why. ;)
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had disco on the 9 news tonite he stated he would like richo also...
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Tigers' corporate captain
By Jonathan Horn
The Age
February 14, 2005
Richmond's search for its new captain will be more akin to deciding on a company chief executive than a football team skipper and is set to be an exhaustive process involving players, select football identities and even the corporate world.
Ever the innovator, Terry Wallace will consult all departments of the club and has asked players to fill out a secret ballot, listing their preferred choices to take over from Wayne Campbell. He also has sought opinions from a management company specialising in business leadership.
The candidates - Matthew Richardson, Joel Bowden, Nathan Brown and Kane Johnson - will have almost a month to prove their mettle, with an announcement expected in the week leading up to Richmond's family day on March 13.
"When you consider names such as Jack Dyer, Percy Bentley, Roger Dean and Royce Hart, who have led Richmond into the field of battle with such distinction, the job of selecting the next Tiger captain needs to be given very serious consideration," Wallace said.
If the quartet needed any tips on the finer points of leadership, they didn't have to look far yesterday as the club's life members and heroes of a more glorious past huddled up for a photograph with the current players to raise money for tsunami relief.
Although Kevin Bartlett was again nowhere to be seen, the Tigers of old mingled with what is the youngest playing squad in the AFL - more than half of whom are under 21.
Earlier, the senior list had a short, crisp hitout, which, while far from being the kind of "torture" session for which Wallace has become renowned, was still an indicator of an intense and physical training regime.
Several of the players, most noticably Mark Coughlan, Tom Roach and Andrew Raines, seemed to have reaped the benefits of a greater emphasis placed on gym work, particularly leg weights and programs designed by fitness coaches Matt Hornsby and Warren Koeford.
Richmond's rigorous summer, reminiscent of Footscray under Wallace in 1997, has included three-hour-plus sessions, physical clashes and even impromptu boxing bouts. Yesterday's tune-up was tame by comparison, though the emphasis on tackling, running with the ball and kicking long to position did not go unnoticed by the Tiger faithful, whose numbers yesterday were extraordinary, given that it was a Sunday morning in the middle of February.
Nor did the trackwork of highly touted No. 1 draft pick Brett Deledio, whose sublime skills and presence of mind have had him earmarked for a midfield role this Friday in the opening Wizard Cup clash against Collingwood at Telstra Dome. Others in the mix include second-year players Daniel Jackson and Shane Tuck.
Richmond's unavailable list is relatively slim, with only Rory Hilton (knee), Shane Morrison (groin) and Ray Hall (hip) likely to miss.
Writing on the club's website, Richmondfc.com.au, Wallace said the Tigers' process of selecting a captain would be more lengthy, and involved, than normal but ultimately would produce the right man. "The most important criteria will be their ability to lead the team on match day and provide guidance to what is a young playing group, to ensure that all players reach their potential," he said.
"Successful clubs are well led, both on and off the field, and you only have to look at the influence that the likes of Michael Voss and James Hird have had on their respective teams to realise how important a good captain is."
Former Crow Johnson is thought to be the frontrunner, despite having the lowest media profile of the four. "Kane comes from a successful premiership background and knows what it takes for a team to win the ultimate prize," Wallace said.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/02/13/1108229853725.html?oneclick=true
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"Successful clubs are well led, both on and off the field, and you only have to look at the influence that the likes of Michael Voss and James Hird have had on their respective teams to realise how important a good captain is."
Voss and Hird have respect and presence on a footy field. Which don’t seem to have come into public calculation with our selection of a Captain. The four candidates are all experienced players but, to me, seem to either possess one or the other, but not both. Is that an issue and does it matter?
Or is it more relevant how players are viewed within a Club, rather than outside of it?
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Voss and Hird have respect and presence on a footy field. Which don’t seem to have come into public calculation with our selection of a Captain. The four candidates are all experienced players but, to me, seem to either possess one or the other, but not both. Is that an issue and does it matter?
Or is it more relevant how players are viewed within a Club, rather than outside of it?
You need players with presence who can turn a game off their own boot to be a top side but I don't believe they necessarily need to be the captain. When you look at the premiership captains since we last won a flag :-[ for every Voss, Hird, Carey and Matthews there's been a Bickley, Worsfold, Tuck and Daniher. More consistently good and hard-working type footballers. The main thing they all have/had in common was they had earned the total respect of those within and outside their Club. Our blokes still have to prove themselves in the role and earn that respect. When you think of Cambo and Knights in their time as captains they copped criticism from certain sections of our own supporters. Compare that to Flea where I don't remember hearing a single negative comment despite being captain in a crap side.
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Or is it more relevant how players are viewed within a Club, rather than outside of it?
In the case of the RFC captain for 2005 I think it is going to have more to do with how they are viewed from within the Club rather than from the outside.
There are some so called experts and even our own supporters who are scratching their collective heads about Richo being in the final four. The perception being (IMHO) how could he be considered when you look at how he has conducted himself on the field over the years (body language etc). It's never ceased to amaze me how the cameras have pciked up every little everything the blokles done on the field but missed a few of our other "stars" give their team mates a spray.
But what happens behind the closed doors? In the rooms - the things we don't see? We only get to see what happens on the field or on the training track, we don't see what happens in the gym, at recovery or pre-game.
I would think that those sort of things will have a great impact on the final choice.