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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on March 27, 2011, 08:08:26 PM
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Ok Damien we know you read this forum.. :lol
Now, when Wallace was in control he made one mistake with Deledio and one great move with another player that perhaps should have been made many many years ago.
As we all know Deledio, under the Wallace reign was moved into the forward line, with, in my opinion bad results.
Ok, now we also know wht happened when he moved Richo to the wing in the Freo game!!!!! Enough said.
So in a nutshell, honestly Dima, move Deledio the centre and LEAVE HIM THERE!!! Forget the back line, put Connors, Thursty.......whoever in there but MOVE HIM NOW!!
He really needs the heat put on him and the likes of Thursty and Connors can't just keep coming along for the ride.
We are really wasting Deledio in the backline, for God's sake move him aad lets see what happens!!
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WA, Dimma wouldnt waste his time reading rubbish from nuffers ::)
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He's got u there WAT...
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will say that Lids should play as a permanent winger.
Instead of Edwards :thumbsup
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will say that Lids should play as a permanent winger.
nuffers the lot of you us
:thumbsup :lol
In Dimma we trust
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word of advice re football clubs, trust NOBODY
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word of advice re football clubs, trust NOBODY
I'm sorry but...
:sleep
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Asleep at the wheel again :sleep
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Great responses guys, lets not look outside the box, it's really helped us so far.
I have put it out there for CONSTRUCTIVE feedback (being a forum and all.. ::)) and unfortunately sarcasm is all that has transpired so far.
Ok brains of the forum, what do we do with Deledio because he, IMO, he is wasted where he is...Jacktheexpert?????????
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play him on the wing, and use him they way the use Edwards,
Pushing through the corridor.
Must be the release player and would like to see him as the "'inside F 50 "" player,
he is a great kick, club havent forgotten about that it seems.
"If " i coached him, the simple instruction would be is to "'play between the arcs""
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play him on the wing, and use him they way the use Edwards,
Pushing through the corridor.
Must be the release player and would like to see him as the "'inside F 50 "" player,
he is a great kick, club havent forgotten about that it seems.
"If " i coached him, the simple instruction would be is to "'play between the arcs""
:clapping, Now thats what I am talking about!!!!!
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"If " i coached him, the simple instruction would be is to "'play between the arcs""
That's the way I'd go as well
I'd have him playing of the HB flank but not taking kick-ins.
At kick-ins I'd have him placed at HB in the hope that either our ruckman or another tall would mark and fire off a quick h/ball to Lids so he could break the lines and drive it into our F50. Alternatively, if our talls fail to mark we'd still be able to create at contest, bring it to ground and feed it out to Lids.
At opposition kick-ins I'd then have him floating around HF for the same scenario, thereby putting him a position to take a few shots AT goal. He can kick the thing 50+ metres. I reckon he is ready made for some long bombs :thumbsup
I'd also have him pinch hit in the middle every now and then but not permanantly
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Great ideas WP, totally agree with the idea of having him taking more shots at goal......and kicking them!!
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Great responses guys, lets not look outside the box, it's really helped us so far.
I have put it out there for CONSTRUCTIVE feedback (being a forum and all.. ::)) and unfortunately sarcasm is all that has transpired so far.
Ok brains of the forum, what do we do with Deledio because he, IMO, he is wasted where he is...Jacktheexpert?????????
any other player you want my thoughts on ??
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Great responses guys, lets not look outside the box, it's really helped us so far.
I have put it out there for CONSTRUCTIVE feedback (being a forum and all.. ::)) and unfortunately sarcasm is all that has transpired so far.
Ok brains of the forum, what do we do with Deledio because he, IMO, he is wasted where he is...Jacktheexpert?????????
any other player you want my thoughts on ??
Edwards... :lol
Nahas
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keeping it real simple, you cant play both in the starting 18
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Great responses guys, lets not look outside the box, it's really helped us so far.
I have put it out there for CONSTRUCTIVE feedback (being a forum and all.. ::)) and unfortunately sarcasm is all that has transpired so far.
Ok brains of the forum, what do we do with Deledio because he, IMO, he is wasted where he is...Jacktheexpert?????????
any other player you want my thoughts on ??
Edwards... :lol
Nahas
Go to jail. Do not past punt road. Do not collect $200.
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LOL, was playing Monopoly the other night :thumbsup
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"If " i coached him, the simple instruction would be is to "'play between the arcs""
That's the way I'd go as well
I'd have him playing of the HB flank but not taking kick-ins.
At kick-ins I'd have him placed at HB in the hope that either our ruckman or another tall would mark and fire off a quick h/ball to Lids so he could break the lines and drive it into our F50. Alternatively, if our talls fail to mark we'd still be able to create at contest, bring it to ground and feed it out to Lids.
At opposition kick-ins I'd then have him floating around HF for the same scenario, thereby putting him a position to take a few shots AT goal. He can kick the thing 50+ metres. I reckon he is ready made for some long bombs :thumbsup
I'd also have him pinch hit in the middle every now and then but not permanantly
I agree WP. Lids is wasted taking the kick-ins. As I said in the other thread he should be used as one of a few mobile marking tall-midfielder targets from the kick-in from which he can play on quickly and kick the ball over the opposition zone to a teammate running into space.
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Great responses guys, lets not look outside the box, it's really helped us so far.
I have put it out there for CONSTRUCTIVE feedback (being a forum and all.. ::)) and unfortunately sarcasm is all that has transpired so far.
Ok brains of the forum, what do we do with Deledio because he, IMO, he is wasted where he is...Jacktheexpert?????????
you thinking swapping deledio with thursfield we
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going to lose nothing in regards to kicking quailty.
Personally I think deledio would be a great option in the forward line along the like of reiwoldt, griffiths, king, Taylor.
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Agree with Jackstar would like to see him on the wing. He is a very good kick. His delivery into the forwardline would create more scoring opportunities
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Like has been said - release player in the middle of the arcs and resting as a HF. He's done his apprenticeship down back now. Teams will continue to play through his man this season to hurt him/us bc he's so focused on being the release player
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I agree that I would prefer to see Lids moved up the ground to give us his marking capabilities out of kick-ins (great idea MT!) and delievery into our F50. The only problem I have is the reasoning he was moved to the HB in the first place and his replacement if he did move and the motivation for the change.
The main reason Lids was moved to the half backline was because Dimma was following the Hawthorn (among others) model whereas you have your best ball users positioned behind the ball to set up the play. Hodge is a damaging ultility (as is Goddard) who would be sensational running through the middle but Hawthorn (and Saints) predominately choose to play him in this role. Lids had his best year in 2011 and was instrumental in setting up many of our wins we achieved throughout the year.
If Lids is to be moved then who would replace him in this role. The player would need to be an excellent ball carrier and desposer of the ball. For mine this leaves very few players. Thursfield is a stopper only so he would not cut it. Connors is a poor man's Lids in this regard but could step up. Batchelor and Conca are young but both seems to possess the poise and footskills to execute the role but do they have the defensive understanding and strength to fufill the role?
I don't think we should use the Carlton game as motivation for this move. Lids was heavily tagged, underdone fitness-wise and our midfield destroyed by Carlton. Would Lids have made a difference in the middle...probably but not excessively. Lids never handled a tag well and still doesn't. We have far more players of improving capabilites in the center now days but he would still be the number one target. While this would help the other mids it would take Lids out of the game. Cotch seems to still find the ball even when tagged.
So I think Lids should be moved, sooner or later, but first we should see how our midfield copes over the next couple of games and who steps up across the HB line to take the position.
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LMAO
some of you are pretentious stuffwits.
Deledio has won a B&F from the midfield. Playing him there isn't something new. He was good off HB last year...move him back into the middle if he's struggling
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I think Damien knows what he's doing.
If after next season we are still bottom 4 then maybe we can let Dimma know how he should coach. Hopefully by then he has an alternative to Deledio at half back so Lids can go somewhere else we need him.
In Dimma we trust.
Eat 'em Alive.
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I think Damien knows what he's doing.
Damien Hardwick played his footy as a team player and remains a team oriented coach.
I am sure that he is still trying to teach teamwork to some of his players who appear to put getting an easy kick ahead of protecting the player with the ball.
I can only assume that anyone who continues to roam the backline in an unaccountable manner will find themselves playing at Craigeburn in a very short time.
No names, no pack drill, every Tiger player faces the same situation if they continue to put themselves before the team.
We all love watching high end skills, but its the G&D that brings us to our feet and creates the mighty Tiger Roar during tight footy contests.
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LMAO
some of you are pretentious effwits.
Deledio has won a B&F from the midfield. Playing him there isn't something new. He was good off HB last year...move him back into the middle if he's struggling
2 best and fairest playing in the midfield isn't it?
I personally think he should be rotated through the midfield. As we saw the other night, when we won the ball out of the middle (third quarter)we looked good, and we were being pro-active rather than re-active. Put your best players where the ball is.... Conners and Newey to half back.
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Put your best players where the ball is.... Conners and Newey to half back.
I am sure that is just what Dimma is doing.
Anyone that wanders around the backline in an unaccountable manner does not deserve to play in a critical and disciplined midfield chasing kicks.
Any player who can't follow team rules will end up at Craigeburn or GWS.
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Move will probably happen when Dan Connors regains some match fitness. ;)
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Surely we need more than 2 good ball users off half back. Currently the team has three at minimum unless matchups require additional tall defenders.
I agree that Newman and Connors are the obvious selections but the third small back would need to found to assist with midfield rotations, deliever the ball off half back and be able to shut down an opponent - no easy task. Conca and Batchelor could both fill this role (Batchelor particulary as he was recruited specifically for this role) but at this stage of the season and given their extrodinary lack of experience, is now the time to do this???
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Surely we need more than 2 good ball users off half back. Currently the team has three at minimum unless matchups require additional tall defenders.
I agree that Newman and Connors are the obvious selections but the third small back would need to found to assist with midfield rotations, deliever the ball off half back and be able to shut down an opponent - no easy task. Conca and Batchelor could both fill this role (Batchelor particulary as he was recruited specifically for this role) but at this stage of the season and given their extrodinary lack of experience, is now the time to do this???
Webberley made a fair fist of it last season in his first year and that was the position/role he was drafted for. Any of the Coburg watchers know what his current status is? He didn't play at all in the pre-season that I can recall?
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play him on the wing, and use him they way the use Edwards,
Pushing through the corridor.
Must be the release player and would like to see him as the "'inside F 50 "" player,
he is a great kick, club havent forgotten about that it seems.
"If " i coached him, the simple instruction would be is to "'play between the arcs""
Agree with Jack 100%. Lids is a ripper of a kick and he has plenty of toe so it seems logical that he'd be best suited on the wing.
Jack who would you replace him with in the backline? Connors? Morton? someone else??
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Dimma has Connors and Morton to play on wings it seems.
Injuries have played a big part on the structure of the back 6. with Farmer and Moore unavailable.
Would possibly use Houli off half back. Farmer to play on opposition small forward with tall backs being Moore,Astbury,Thursfield, McGaune and Grimes, take your pick. Newman to marshall the troops with Batchelor playing off half back as well.
Why then play Lids in D50 ????????????? :banghead :banghead :banghead
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I agree, he can't keep playing in D50, we need some drive up the ground.
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Surely we need more than 2 good ball users off half back. Currently the team has three at minimum unless matchups require additional tall defenders.
I agree that Newman and Connors are the obvious selections but the third small back would need to found to assist with midfield rotations, deliever the ball off half back and be able to shut down an opponent - no easy task. Conca and Batchelor could both fill this role (Batchelor particulary as he was recruited specifically for this role) but at this stage of the season and given their extrodinary lack of experience, is now the time to do this???
Webberley made a fair fist of it last season in his first year and that was the position/role he was drafted for. Any of the Coburg watchers know what his current status is? He didn't play at all in the pre-season that I can recall?
On saturday he did OK. Got involved a fair bit without doing anything spectacular - good or bad.
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Think if you go back a year or 2 may find I raised this issue, thing was at the time we needed someone to shore up down back even though I still didn't like it. This year is the time to start moving him around. Play him centre moving forward we have another 20 odd goalkicker and he can move back in games where/as needed.
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Was a superstar at HB last year. Maintain the status quo and hope he plays better this week.
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wouldn't be too hard
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So he was obviously moved going by his stats, BOG and a goal....amazing that. Unfortunately he may find himself back there next week thanks to McGuane, I hope not, he needs to play up the ground now regardless.
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Jet
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Hats off Brett, takes a good player to play a great game. Takes a great player to play a bad game cop stick from all sorts and come out and play a great game.
I expect a lot from Lids, maybe to much at times but he was sensational tonight. Gave Goddard a bath, that is a massive scalp.
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Cracks me up when people bag Lids
The guy has been our #1 player for 3 years now
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Cracks me up when people bag Lids
The guy has been our #1 player for 3 years now
Dead right..!! :thumbsup
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Cracks me up when people bag Lids
The guy has been our #1 player for 3 years now
PPL bag him sometimes bc they know he's capable of that, if he displays that form he'll be in the top 5 players in the AFL by seasons end - where he belongs! 30 touches, clutch goal and shutdown of prob the leagues best player all at once is pretty special. Step it up Brett and become a star
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Cracks me up when people bag Lids
The guy has been our #1 player for 3 years now
I'm a culprit for a bit to much 'Lid' love but his criticism for last week was warranted.
All class tonight hitting back at the critics.
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Lids hadn't played a single game in the preseason, just a couple of quarters towards the end
Was always going to struggle in Round 1
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Dimma must have been reading OER during the week ;D. One of Lids' best games for the club. Defensively kept Goddard in check while also proving very dangerous with the ball when we were attacking. His attitude was very proactive tonight and his workrate was way up from last week. That 65m bomb from the centre square where he backed his ability was great stuff :thumbsup.
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Good players hit back at their critics. Lids did this tonight.
More performances like these at a much more regular interval and he will be a great. :thumbsup
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Dimma must have been reading OER during the week ;D. One of Lids' best games for the club. Defensively kept Goddard in check while also proving very dangerous with the ball when we were attacking. His attitude was very proactive tonight and his workrate was way up from last week. That 65m bomb from the centre square where he backed his ability was great stuff :thumbsup.
Told you he was reading this forum... :lol
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played the game of his life, tore goddard a new ahole, hope he stays in th emidfield now and compete with cotch for the brownlow :santa
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Good call. I think he has the quality around him now to make a real impact on the ball.
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Footy Classified put up the head-to-head between Lids and Goddard
Disposals 25 - 13
Clearances 6 - 1
Lyon said Lids had been criticised for racking up cheap possessions off half-back and he needed to play on big name player and not just claim a scalp but to dominate him which he did against Goddard.
Thomas said Lids would've loved it when Dimma wanted him to play on Goddard in such a crucial position. Smart move by Dimma as that makes a player want to play for his coach.
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Footy Classified put up the head-to-head between Lids and Goddard
Disposals 25 - 13
Clearances 6 - 1
Lyon said Lids had been criticised for racking up cheap possessions off half-back and he needed to play on big name player and not just claim a scalp but to dominate him which he did against Goddard.
Thomas said Lids would've loved it when Dimma wanted him to play on Goddard in such a crucial position. Smart move by Dimma as that makes a player want to play for his coach.
Great to hear isn't it, now he needs to back that performance up against Hodge.. :thumbsup
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Footy Classified put up the head-to-head between Lids and Goddard
Disposals 25 - 13
Clearances 6 - 1
Lyon said Lids had been criticised for racking up cheap possessions off half-back and he needed to play on big name player and not just claim a scalp but to dominate him which he did against Goddard.
Thomas said Lids would've loved it when Dimma wanted him to play on Goddard in such a crucial position. Smart move by Dimma as that makes a player want to play for his coach.
Hopefully this is the making of Deledio. Just about to enter his prime and has all the tools to be considered a top 10 player in the league.
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Disposals 25 - 13
Clearances 6 - 1
He should be doing this every week against lesser opponents and putting on some scoreboard pressure too
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Seems to play better against strong opposition where his role is to beat them rather than when he needs to be the proactive playmaker and has someone else doing a role on him. :-\
I think it would be a great idea to put him on Hodge this week. I think he would be up for the challenge.
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I think it would be a great idea to put him on Hodge this week. I think he would be up for the challenge.
Bring out his best. :thumbsup
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Lids captures the ‘Stewie’
By Tony Greenberg
Tue 05 Apr, 2011
Dual Jack Dyer Medallist, Brett Deledio, is now an Ian Stewart Medallist.
Deledio won the annual Ian Stewart Medal after being judged best-on-ground, in last Friday night’s epic draw with St Kilda at the MCG, by the Channel 7 commentary team.
“Winning the game was what we were all striving so hard for, and it was bitterly disappointing not to come away with the four points after the effort we put in,” Deledio said.
“From an individual perspective, though, I’m honored to win a medal named after a player recognised as one of the greatest players in the game’s history.”
Past winners of the Ian Stewart Medal
2004 - Austinn Jones, St Kilda Football Club
2005 - Nick Dal Santo, St Kilda Football Club
2006 - Lenny Hayes, St Kilda Football Club
2007 - Leigh Montagna, St Kilda Football Club
2008 - Stephen Milne, St Kilda Football Club
2009 - Brendon Goddard, St Kilda Football Club
2010 - Jack Riewoldt, Richmond Football Club
2011 - Brett Deledio, Richmond Football Club
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/110895/default.aspx
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After 6 years of Saints dominance, it is great to see two of our stars win the award - Jack and now Lids! Sign of the future :thumbsup
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Here's the video of Lids' press conference today....
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/344235/brett-deledio-press-conference/
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OK, time to make the call again and make it for good. MOVE DELEDIO TO THE CENTRE and bloody well leave him there.
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No point in LIds plugiing holes here and there based on the lack of depth of our list. Play him in the midfield and keep him there. I would think if we ever challenge or were a challenger he will play there.
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No point in LIds plugiing holes here and there based on the lack of depth of our list. Play him in the midfield and keep him there. I would think if we ever challenge or were a challenger he will play there.
Dead right, play him in the centre...leave him there, plug the holes with frindge dwellers who can either stand up or leave the club.
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No point in LIds plugiing holes here and there based on the lack of depth of our list. Play him in the midfield and keep him there. I would think if we ever challenge or were a challenger he will play there.
Dead right, play him in the centre...leave him there, plug the holes with frindge dwellers who can either stand up or leave the club.
He actually spent time in the middle on Saturday night. First went in the middle in the 1st qtr and guess what happened? It worked :o :o Equally strange we won that first qtr ;D
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Prefer him at HB myself.
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His disposal is extremely good. If in the backline he can break the lines but I agree it would great if he played in the centre but our backline is not good enough without him
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got scared after he copped one over the ears
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Prefer him at HB myself.
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It took 4.5 coaches to realise where Richo should have played..........lets hope it doesnt take as long for Deledio.
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It took 4.5 coaches to realise where Richo should have played..........lets hope it doesnt take as long for Deledio.
We were a crap side with Richo and we are in the lower reaches with Lids until we start winning regularly and consistently and thus the selected side is settled he will be moved here there and everywhere to fill holes.
It's robbing Peter to pay Paul unfortunantely.
I still think midfield. Half backs are a dime a dozen nowadays stellar midfielders which is what Lids can be are just a little harder to find and develop. Batchelor with some more experience can play off half back easily. Kid is tough and has excellent disposal. Newman/Houli can play the other Half Back Flank.
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It took 4.5 coaches to realise where Richo should have played..........lets hope it doesnt take as long for Deledio.
Batchelor with some more experience can play off half back easily. Kid is tough and has excellent disposal. Newman/Houli can play the other Half Back Flank.
I like Batch and I basically agree with you. But im not sure that his disposal can be classed as 'excellent'. Not yet, at least.
His lofty ball drop concerns me. Definitely impressed me this year nonetheless.
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Has Lids been wearing a hairband of late?