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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 02, 2011, 12:36:15 AM
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Jack is questionable due to his concussion?
McGuane may get an enforced holiday?
Fire away ......
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Would be happy to drop houli.
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McGuane for Thursfield if forced.
Derickx for Graham maybe but Hawthorn don't have a great ruckman.
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Derickx not named for Coburg so obviously still injured.
Gourdis named CHB, Thirsty BP.
Will be interesting to watch Coburg on ABC.
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Out McGuane susp
In Thursfield
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Agree with TB, but too early to call, if they dindn't drop Helbig this week they won't drop Houli this week and neither they should. Maybe Gourdis will be the sub.
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I'll be watching to see how Tucky goes.
:thumbsup
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out mguane suspendend
in grimes/thursty
out nahas - sick of him taking on the world and always getting caught, he needs to know when to go or dish a handball off
in tuck/nason i prefer truck though
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out mguane suspendend
in grimes/thursty
out nahas - sick of him taking on the world and always getting caught, he needs to know when to go or dish a handball off
in tuck/nason i prefer truck though
You may sick of him taking on the world, as i am too, but i think he is playing under those instructions! Nahas will stay in, his pace troubles teams! I think Dimma is clearly focussing on pace and the forward pressure it creates and it worked last night!
Thirst for macca, only change!
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Derrickx will not play. he said at the social club function after the game we was still a few weeks away from resuming.
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Out McGuane susp
In Thursfield
Only change
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out nahas - sick of him taking on the world and always getting caught, he needs to know when to go or dish a handball off
That's what Hardwick has told him to do although I think the licence needs to be tightened when Robbie gets the ball in defense.
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Just watched the replay again ( 2nd time ) once when I got home from the game last night and and again this morning.
A real worry is one Daniel Connors
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Just watched the replay again ( 2nd time ) once when I got home from the game last night and and again this morning.
A real worry is one Daniel Connors
Yep same with me. Still doesnt know how to get position on his opponent and after a short run he is blowing up.
The second can be explained on the stop and start preseason from him but he needs to learn and quick to keep in touch with his opponent.
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out nahas - sick of him taking on the world and always getting caught, he needs to know when to go or dish a handball off
That's what Hardwick has told him to do although I think the licence needs to be tightened when Robbie gets the ball in defense.
i dont but that crap, sure he has a licence but effing common sense must come first, when he snapped at goal to be a hero and kicked oof, he had 3 tiger players infront of him facing the goals who had a better shot , yet he had to be a hero and stuff it up
thats being selfish and thinking u r better than u r, he hasnt a licence for that
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out nahas - sick of him taking on the world and always getting caught, he needs to know when to go or dish a handball off
That's what Hardwick has told him to do although I think the licence needs to be tightened when Robbie gets the ball in defense.
i dont but that crap, sure he has a licence but effing common sense must come first, when he snapped at goal to be a hero and kicked oof, he had 3 tiger players infront of him facing the goals who had a better shot , yet he had to be a hero and eff it up
thats being selfish and thinking u r better than u r, he hasnt a licence for that
Yep spot on, I was more referring to him taking on the traffic so much.
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Nason for Edwards
Thursfield/Grimey for mcGone
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Just watched the replay again ( 2nd time ) once when I got home from the game last night and and again this morning.
A real worry is one Daniel Connors
hmm, the three players that need to be under notice with varying degrees of sub par performance are
Connors...not winning the one on ones he did last year and use of the pill is ridiculously poor, has he hit a target yet in 2011
Astbury...His confidence looks to be shot right now, has he taken an overhead mark this year, punches when he should swallow a sitter and is too easily out namourvered...needs a spell in ressies to get some leather poisoning and confidence back
Edwards...he's just hanging on, did a couple of things later in the game that counted apart from that he's a shadow of what he showed us in 2010...must and can do better
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Just watched the replay again ( 2nd time ) once when I got home from the game last night and and again this morning.
A real worry is one Daniel Connors
hmm, the three players that need to be under notice with varying degrees of sub par performance are
Connors...not winning the one on ones he did last year and use of the pill is ridiculously poor, has he hit a target yet in 2011
Astbury...His confidence looks to be shot right now, has he taken an overhead mark this year, punches when he should swallow a sitter and is too easily out namourvered...needs a spell in ressies to get some leather poisoning and confidence back
Edwards...he's just hanging on, did a couple of things later in the game that counted apart from that he's a shadow of what he showed us in 2010...must and can do better
Totally agree.
Astbury really struggling in 2011.
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Astbury is really no different to the journey Conca is on.
Not easy being a KP Defender on a team when you just turned 20.
I think given the circumstances he's doing okay and there is no point playing him at Coburg. Nothing to be gained for him there.
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Mcguane
Edwards OUT
Grimes
Thursfield IN
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I think Astbury is struggling with his extra size, he put on a massive amount this preaseaon and he doesn't look anywhere near as agile as he was
Shame as he looked really good in the first NAB Cup games against the filth & the scum
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Astbury is really no different to the journey Conca is on.
Not easy being a KP Defender on a team when you just turned 20.
I think given the circumstances he's doing okay and there is no point playing him at Coburg. Nothing to be gained for him there.
Agree TA. Let's not forget that Hardwick has stated on many occasions now that this year will still be about learning and getting many more games into young legs, regardless of the state or outcome of the game.
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Astbury = second year blues, he will come good.
Nahas = Don't believe he is selfish, just think he had trouble managing the intensity of situations he found himself in and made poor decisions. needs to get better under pressure.
Edwards = Same boat as Nahas. The intensity at times clearly inhibits his ability to kick effectively, games and time should fix this, as he will learn to relax and give himself a little more time with his disposal.
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watched a bit of the Coburg game today.
Nason and Webberly
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Nahas and Edwards
They were both in the play quite a bit from what i saw.
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out nahas - sick of him taking on the world and always getting caught, he needs to know when to go or dish a handball off
That's what Hardwick has told him to do although I think the licence needs to be tightened when Robbie gets the ball in defense.
i dont but that crap, sure he has a licence but effing common sense must come first, when he snapped at goal to be a hero and kicked oof, he had 3 tiger players infront of him facing the goals who had a better shot , yet he had to be a hero and eff it up
thats being selfish and thinking u r better than u r, he hasnt a licence for that
should have been dragged for that
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Astbury is really no different to the journey Conca is on.
Not easy being a KP Defender on a team when you just turned 20.
I think given the circumstances he's doing okay and there is no point playing him at Coburg. Nothing to be gained for him there.
not entirely the same, conca I see as a mini Newy..in a month or so I reckon we will see some decent strides taken by the lad...as for astbury we are in the unusual position of having a number of tall defenders in our ranks...much the same age and TBH shades variance in ablity. Thursty, Gourdis or GRIMES could be given Astburys time...in particular grimes that looks to be putting quality game time together at VFL level
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Astbury has been given bigger roles this year compared to 2010. He was effectively a 3rd tall/rebounder lasy year; this year he's now meant to hold down a key defensive post. The added responsibility (he's also allowed to sit in on our leadership group meetings) will take time to adjust to.
As for changes - Grimes was our best defender yesterday for Coburg but I don't reckon he had the body yet to play on a Franklin or Roughhead. Thursty will probably come in now for McGuane.
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Just watched the replay again ( 2nd time ) once when I got home from the game last night and and again this morning.
A real worry is one Daniel Connors
hmm, the three players that need to be under notice with varying degrees of sub par performance are
Connors...not winning the one on ones he did last year and use of the pill is ridiculously poor, has he hit a target yet in 2011
Astbury...His confidence looks to be shot right now, has he taken an overhead mark this year, punches when he should swallow a sitter and is too easily out namourvered...needs a spell in ressies to get some leather poisoning and confidence back
Edwards...he's just hanging on, did a couple of things later in the game that counted apart from that he's a shadow of what he showed us in 2010...must and can do better
Totally agree.
Astbury really struggling in 2011.
Did a Kane Johnson last nite backing into a marking situation and making it appear he was unaware he could have taken the mark,instead allowing the pill to deflect off his one handed,scared effort at marking.
Gutless.
Not committed.
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Foley out.
Spongehead Bob in.
Wats the point ?
He's surfing on the talent around him and they have al passed him by.
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Foley out.
Spongehead Bob in.
Wats the point ?
He's surfing on the talent around him and they have al passed him by.
While that is true I still think it i worth giving him a few weeks to see whether he can make the step back up again.
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Grigg mentioned Thursty as the obvious option to replace McGuane if he gets rubbed out.
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I dont think Astbury has been that bad.
He has been pretty quiet in terms of possessions, but he still has poise in tight situations down back.
Definitely wouldn't drop him. Nor Nahas, he has been a spark.
i dont mind if our kids get caught holding the ball every now and then. At least they are trying to create movement. So much better than watching them chip it around until we cough it up.
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I dont think Astbury has been that bad.
He has been pretty quiet in terms of possessions, but he still has poise in tight situations down back.
Definitely wouldn't drop him. Nor Nahas, he has been a spark.
i dont mind if our kids get caught holding the ball every now and then. At least they are trying to create movement. So much better than watching them chip it around until we cough it up.
:yep
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I dont think Astbury has been that bad.
He has been pretty quiet in terms of possessions, but he still has poise in tight situations down back.
Definitely wouldn't drop him. Nor Nahas, he has been a spark.
i dont mind if our kids get caught holding the ball every now and then. At least they are trying to create movement. So much better than watching them chip it around until we cough it up.
:yep X2
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I dont think Astbury has been that bad.
He has been pretty quiet in terms of possessions, but he still has poise in tight situations down back.
Definitely wouldn't drop him. Nor Nahas, he has been a spark.
i dont mind if our kids get caught holding the ball every now and then. At least they are trying to create movement. So much better than watching them chip it around until we cough it up.
I agree totally. Much rather players who are creative, exciting, running and carrying, taking on the oponent. Better than boring chipping backwards and going nowhere.
Nahas stays IMO.
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Thursfield and Tuck in.
Unfortunately believe McGuane is gone. Connors out.
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OUT: McGuane (susp.)
Edwards
Nahas
Connors
IN: Thursfield
Grimes
Webberley
Tuck
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OUT: McGuane (susp.)
Edwards
Nahas
Connors
IN: Thursfield
Grimes
Webberley
Tuck
You're kidding yourself
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OUT: McGuane (susp.)
Edwards
Nahas
Connors
IN: Thursfield
Grimes
Webberley
Tuck
You're kidding yourself
Why am I kidding myself? Luke will be rubbed out,and Thursfield is an obvious replacement. Grimes, Webberley and Tuck all played very well for Coburg, as did Nason, who I couldn't quite fit in. Connors did nothing as usual. He may be a commentators favourite, but he aint mine. Nahas continues to run around in tight circles before falling over and coughing it up. Have another look at the replay, and take note of just how few of his posessions actually found a teammate. It's one thing to be encouraged to take the game on. It's another thing to actually have some awareness and make the right decisions. And Edwards was hardly sighted, and when he was his kicks were still dribbling along the ground. He must be skating on thin ice.
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funny thing is I reckon Connors is showing more signs of being an afl footballer this season than last and believe you me I am no fan of his. His body looks leaner, stronger and signs are he looks like he's trying to think team first. Even though he's clearly underdone he runs more than he did last season! I'd stick with him at this stage let him build into the season.
Nahas out? give me a break hes the only one trying to break lines (and doing it) he's not even close to being dropped.
McGuane out Thursty in. Cant see too many more changes
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OUT: McGuane (susp.)
Edwards
Nahas
Connors
IN: Thursfield
Grimes
Webberley
Tuck
forgot contin to come in also
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1. You don't make 4 changes after a draw against last year's grand finalists
2. Nahas is doing what Dimma is telling him too, try to take the game on and break the lines
3. Edwards was tagged by Baker, got to ask why this was the case, clearly Saints rate him, only Richmond supporters don't
4. Tuck won't be in the side while Grigg & Jackson are playing so well. Tuck wasn't that good against Sandy, he did his typical bullocking bomb it long to no one trick he's always done. Connors is still under done but won't be dropped on his performance against the Saints, they need to find out if he's a long term player, not Tuck who we know isn't.
No one stood out enough in the Coburg game to demand selection so after such a close result against a top team there is no way that many changes will be made. Only changes will be forced and for matchups.
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out nahas - sick of him taking on the world and always getting caught, he needs to know when to go or dish a handball off
That's what Hardwick has told him to do although I think the licence needs to be tightened when Robbie gets the ball in defense.
i dont but that crap, sure he has a licence but effing common sense must come first, when he snapped at goal to be a hero and kicked oof, he had 3 tiger players infront of him facing the goals who had a better shot , yet he had to be a hero and eff it up
thats being selfish and thinking u r better than u r, he hasnt a licence for that
should have been dragged for that
Another brainfade it would seem ;D :police:
BTW I have finally sat down and watch the replay of rd 1 (dvd delivered Friday) and my views of the Nahas game has not changed ;D but I digrese back to Friday night's effort. I will admit I had a chuckle as people around me were calling for him to be sent to oblivion after that kick for goal in the final qtr ;D
Despite that I can't see Nahas being dropped. I'd drop him but can't see it happening
Agree that Astbury is really struggling but they will persist with him - can actually see him getting either Buddy or Roughie
Ins: Thursfield
Out: McGuane
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out nahas - sick of him taking on the world and always getting caught, he needs to know when to go or dish a handball off
That's what Hardwick has told him to do although I think the licence needs to be tightened when Robbie gets the ball in defense.
i dont but that crap, sure he has a licence but effing common sense must come first, when he snapped at goal to be a hero and kicked oof, he had 3 tiger players infront of him facing the goals who had a better shot , yet he had to be a hero and eff it up
thats being selfish and thinking u r better than u r, he hasnt a licence for that
should have been dragged for that
Another brainfade it would seem ;D :police:
BTW I have finally sat down and watch the replay of rd 1 (dvd delivered Friday) and my views of the Nahas game has not changed ;D but I digrese back to Friday night's effort. I will admit I had a chuckle as people around me were calling for him to be sent to oblivion after that kick for goal in the final qtr ;D
Despite that I can't see Nahas being dropped. I'd drop him but can't see it happening
Agree that Astbury is really struggling but they will persist with him - can actually see him getting either Buddy or Roughie
Ins: Thursfield
Out: McGuane
gee, i hope he wouldnt mark buddy, doubt he would, more like roughy..and he might go ok
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I think Nahas has been okay after 2 rounds. At least he is having a dip :thumbsup
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Astbury had a few weak efforts. Nahas selfish son of a whore. Mitch Morton seems to have gone under the radar :shh Is this bloke going to put in more than 1 or 2 quarters a game?
The return of the Gloveman :cheers
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I think Nahas has been okay after 2 rounds. At least he is having a dip :thumbsup
I'm not a fan of Nahas but he is clearly doing exactly what's asked of him. Take them on and run. He may get caught at times but it seems to spark the rest of the team into action.
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Rioli out for 2 :birthday
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Riokibout for 2 :birthday
pardon?
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Riokibout for 2 :birthday
pardon?
fixed
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Mcguane out for 3. 2 with early plea
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out nahas - sick of him taking on the world and always getting caught, he needs to know when to go or dish a handball off
That's what Hardwick has told him to do although I think the licence needs to be tightened when Robbie gets the ball in defense.
i dont but that crap, sure he has a licence but effing common sense must come first, when he snapped at goal to be a hero and kicked oof, he had 3 tiger players infront of him facing the goals who had a better shot , yet he had to be a hero and eff it up
thats being selfish and thinking u r better than u r, he hasnt a licence for that
should have been dragged for that
Another brainfade it would seem ;D :police:
BTW I have finally sat down and watch the replay of rd 1 (dvd delivered Friday) and my views of the Nahas game has not changed ;D but I digrese back to Friday night's effort. I will admit I had a chuckle as people around me were calling for him to be sent to oblivion after that kick for goal in the final qtr ;D
Despite that I can't see Nahas being dropped. I'd drop him but can't see it happening
Agree that Astbury is really struggling but they will persist with him - can actually see him getting either Buddy or Roughie
Ins: Thursfield
Out: McGuane
Stubborn bugger :thumbsup
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Sorry. Rioli out for 1. :birthday :gotigers
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Stubborn bugger :thumbsup
:eyebrow :eyebrow :eyebrow
But check out the Gus Graham expectations thread and you might be pleasantly surprsied big tone ;D
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Yep Rioli misses one week
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/110834/default.aspx
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one is enough for us :santa
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one is enough for us :santa
lol :birthday
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In: Thursfield
Out: McGuane
McGuane played a stopping role against Riewoldt, Thursty can do the same so it wont hurt our structure. We may need to bring in an extra defender to play on Roughead, unless Astbury can go with him all game.
Thursty looked OK at Coburg.
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agree with Pope
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In the mix: round three
4:15 PM Tue 05 Apr, 2011
RICHMOND
The Tigers are struggling to find enough big men to fill their key defensive posts for Saturday night's meeting with Hawthorn after Luke McGuane copped a two-match suspension from the match review panel. McGuane joins another suspended defender, Alex Rance, on the sidelines, while fellow backman Kel Moore continues to be dogged by a hip injury and won't play for at least a month. Will Thursfield, Dylan Grimes and David Gourdis are in contention for a call up, with Grimes rated the favourite at this stage.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/110924/default.aspx
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Wouldn't mind giving Grimes a go actually.
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Wouldn't mind giving Grimes a go actually.
:thumbsup
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Still too skinny to match it with the big boys, i reckon.
looks a good prospect, though.
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Still too skinny, too match it with the big boys, i reckon.
looks a good prospect, though.
He's about 1-2 KGs heavier then Willy T.
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he may be but i doubt he would have the condition/strength of thursty.
it would be a big ask for him to play on franklin or roughhead at this stage of his career.
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There's always the risk Grimes could be "Zac Dawsoned" by Buddy or Roughead but if he did even a reasonable job it would be a huge confidence booster for him. I thought our of himself, Will and Goo, Grimesy had the better game in defence for Coburg.
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Still too skinny, too match it with the big boys, i reckon.
looks a good prospect, though.
He's about 1-2 KGs heavier then Willy T.
is that right?
Thats interesting. He still looks like a twig. I suppose it's not like Willy T, is an effing Goliath!
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OUT: McGuane (susp.)
Edwards
Nahas
Connors
IN: Thursfield
Grimes
Webberley
Tuck
You're kidding yourself
why makes perfect sense.
edwards has been absolute poo and nahas not far behind. mcguane is suspended and connors just wont be accountable and is lazy.
surely graham has to go as well.what a spud yet supporters fall over themselves because hes a battler.. we are supposed to be building a top 4 side not persevering with duds.
the ins well look at the teams strengths and weaknesses over the last 2 weeks and then look at structure and match ups. as a group what has our 7 smalls contributed what do we expect how have they fared in comparison to opposition smalls. as a group they have been lousy.
are wein a ne hardwick era or are we still in the wallace era.
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5 changes to a side that drew to last years runner up.... Admittedly one forced. To bring who in. What continuity do you expect the side to have. You called for 6 changes last week. No way to settle a side that way.
Claw you are out of your mind. There's a darkside and there's a "darkside."
Changes this week will come in to combat the Hawk talls to compensate for McGuane's suspension and if it rains expect the smalls to stay in the side which they will anyway even if its dry like the Birdsville track.
To compare Hardwick to Wallace is just plain out there also. The turnover on the list from round 22 09 has been dramatic and I am sure more is to come this year. At the end of 05 Wallace topped up and last year Hardwick once again went to the draft. Getting Miller in the PSD hardly constitutes topping up.
Now you have put 5 players on the outer for this week. I wouldn't even call what you are proposing a knee jerk reaction. Overanalysis stop worrying about what others are thinking or you perceive are thinking to base an argument on Graham, Derickx is injured and Browne is not as good a player as Graham not that GRaham is very good but he is the best we have at this point in time. Vickery is not a full time ruckman.
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It won't be a surprise if Dimma brings in two talls this week as Hale can push forward next to Franklin and Roughead to try and stretch us for height. Last week we got away with going short down back as, after Riewoldt, the Saints had just a first gamer down there and even then it was Milne who was the major threat. This week with Rioli missing it's the Hawk tall forwards and midfielders pushing forward who are the main scoring threat rather than any small forwards.
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It won't be a surprise if Dimma brings in two talls this week as Hale can push forward next to Franklin and Roughead to try and stretch us for height. Last week we got away with going short down back as, after Riewoldt, the Saints had just a first gamer down there and even then it was Milne who was the major threat. This week with Rioli missing it's the Hawk tall forwards and midfielders pushing forward who are the main scoring threat rather than any small forwards.
That makes good sense to me, MT :thumbsup
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Need to watch out for Burgoyne. Suggest putting White on him
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are wein a ne hardwick era or are we still in the wallace era.
Is this Scottish? I keep wanting to read it with a Scottish accent. lol.
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are wein a ne hardwick era or are we still in the wallace era.
Is this Scottish? I keep wanting to read it with a Scottish accent. lol.
A Scottish claw?
:lol
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big decision to be made on the replacement for Mcguane
Thursfield will be purely a defensive player, while Grimes will provide some attack and needs a blooding.
Problem is if Grimes comes in we will have a very very inexperienced backline.
Maybe Miller may be an option ;)
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Problem is if Grimes comes in we will have a very very inexperienced backline.
We have a very inexperienced team fullstop.
Seems to be going ok so far & might as well continue with it rather than bring in 'experience' which has previously been found short of the mark.
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Important to tag Burgoyne STRAIGHT AWAY! have Deledio playing on him or Hodge. Jackson might need to tag Hodge or Burgoyne.
Martin, Cotchin to go head to head with Sewell and Mitchell. Add Foley too.
That is what I would be planning firstly! Grigg too!
I find the problem with Astbury is that he doesn't actually punch the football away. Astbury seems weak with his positioning for the football.
Conca should be playing in the midfield, not "run with roles" with small forwards.
I would play Grimes ASAP as he has the ability to punch the football away.
OUT:
Edwards (has played badly two weeks in a row, has shown NO leadership and does not take the match on like Nahas ... just a waste of space)
McGuane (the obvious reason)
IN:
Grimes
Thursfield
TEAM:
Newman, Thursfield, Batchelor
Grigg, Astbury, Grimes
Houli, Deledio, Conca
King, Morton, White
Vickery, Riewoldt, Nahas
Graham
Foley
Cotchin
Martin, Jackson, Helbig
Connors (Sub)
Would have Astbury move to CHF to realise Vickery in the Ruck and provide Graham some time to rest.
Deledio plays in the midfield!
White to tag Hawthorn's most creative defender or get him sitting on Hodge, Burgoyne ...
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I must admit, I think we need to bring in at least two talls for match up purposes, otherwise we'll be playing someone 6" shorter than Hale as his opponent.
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OUT:
Edwards ....... just a waste of space
:banghead :wallywink
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Geez you're annoying Kel.
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more rehab less internets
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I must admit, I think we need to bring in at least two talls for match up purposes, otherwise we'll be playing someone 6" shorter than Hale as his opponent.
Would have to agree and if we are looking at dropping off a small unfortunately that may just be Edwards..
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more rehab less internets
yus
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wonder if PRO is a wifi hotspot? they should make it one so Kel can post for free while watching everyone else train.
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more rehab less internets
10-4.