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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 20, 2011, 02:39:09 AM
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This Saturday's game is your classic 8-pointer with both sides on 22 points and out of the top 8 on %. Melbourne is building this up as "the biggest game of the year".
The betfair bookies have us slight favourites: Richmond $1.77 to Melbourne $1.91
Melbourne Demons turn up heat for Richmond Tigers
Courtney Walsh
From: The Australian
June 20, 2011
THE MCG will be rattling on Saturday in what, for some, will be a trip down memory lane.
A match of importance on a Saturday afternoon at the home of football - how quaint.
Melbourne versus Richmond with, for the first time in a while, much at stake. Traditional inner-city rivals, once so powerful, both showing signs of a resurgence.
Richmond, so gritty in overcoming Brisbane on its third interstate trip in succession. Melbourne, ruthless in thrashing Fremantle 22.17 (149) to 8.12 (60), though admittedly the Dockers are vastly undermanned.
Barring Essendon upsetting Hawthorn on Friday night, the victor will be in the eight. It is a long time since that has been the case for either this far into a season.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/melbourne-demons-turn-up-heat-for-richmond-tigers/story-e6frg7mf-1226078125077
"We have got a big game next week, probably the biggest game of the year, against Richmond, so we want to get everything right and get ourselves up for next week," Scully said.
"Richmond are in great form.
"It's a real challenge for us; we love playing Richmond, and we are really amped to get up for next week."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbournes-tom-scully-plays-it-cool-on-where-his-future-lies/story-e6frf9jf-1226078103193
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Melbourne may play 3 ruckmen this week - Jamar, Martin and Gawn
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/rising-teams-melbourne-and-richmond-go-head-to-head/story-e6frf9jf-1226078511992
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Please just flog these guys - Dont know what it is but i have a real dislike for this team that likes to play bruise free footy.
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Simply must beat the tanking team of the century, we owe them, they have the wood on us and they manipulated the draft to get the players they have. I hope Martin rips Scully another arse hole too.
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Always enjoy the games against Melb. Its a good game to see how we're developing along against another team thats also trying to build into a finals team.
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I think we are a big show in this game however if I was a bookie I would have the odds reversed.Melbourne slight favourites.
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The MCG is expecting a crowd of 55,000.
http://www.mcg.org.au/Events/Upcoming%20Events/Event%20Details.aspx?eid=4ed090ae-0e0e-40d7-92d1-29805f73fed5
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I think we are a big show in this game however if I was a bookie I would have the odds reversed.Melbourne slight favourites.
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This is one game where our first quater will decide the match imo
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Simply must beat the tanking team of the century, we owe them, they have the wood on us and they manipulated the draft to get the players they have. I hope Martin rips Scully another behind hole too.
be careful what you wish for
Every win edges us closer to a 9th place finish :rollin
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Looks like White will come in for King. Hopefully Gourdis a game and Miller is the one who makes way
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Please just flog these guys - Dont know what it is but i have a real dislike for this team that likes to play bruise free footy.
I agree tony_ montana. These guys remind me of teachers pets I used to remember at school. Would dob you in at the drop of a hat smiling while doing so but they had skeletons in the closet of their own and you took more than great pleasure in dishing it out to them in return. To me Melbourne Footy Club is the type of kid you always wanted to beat up because they did nothing until they played you and then they were nice and fired up. Just like their supporters they belong to a bygone era. Beat these ski chalet freaks.
Jack Watts is that kid. Dopey smile, geeky looking and just waiting to get his fragile body bruised just like his skipper Brad clench my jumper when we are 90 points up. I would love Lukey to do what he did to Farren Ray to the former and make sure that little crapola doesn't get up for a few minutes.
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yeah if mcguane isn't going to get dropped i could handle him copping a suspension for denting a few toboggans
:pray please only be playing him to raise his GWS compo
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I think we are a big show in this game however if I was a bookie I would have the odds reversed.Melbourne slight favourites.
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This is one game where our first quater will decide the match imo
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A chance to stand up as a team in a 8-point game whereas in the past we haven't given a yelp in these sorts of season do-or-die matches.
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This is one game where we have to win contested possession especially out the middle. Considering the midfield we have we should be doing better in this area but i feel against Melbourne especially if we win contested ball we win the game. The Dees midfield will basically try to out muscle us, we have to find a way to counter this.
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Please just flog these guys - Dont know what it is but i have a real dislike for this team that likes to play bruise free footy.
I agree tony_ montana. These guys remind me of teachers pets I used to remember at school. Would dob you in at the drop of a hat smiling while doing so but they had skeletons in the closet of their own and you took more than great pleasure in dishing it out to them in return. To me Melbourne Footy Club is the type of kid you always wanted to beat up because they did nothing until they played you and then they were nice and fired up. Just like their supporters they belong to a bygone era. Beat these ski chalet freaks.
Jack Watts is that kid. Dopey smile, geeky looking and just waiting to get his fragile body bruised just like his skipper Brad clench my jumper when we are 90 points up. I would love Lukey to do what he did to Farren Ray to the former and make sure that little crapola doesn't get up for a few minutes.
:rollin :rollin :lol :rollin :rollin
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Please just flog these guys - Dont know what it is but i have a real dislike for this team that likes to play bruise free footy.
I agree tony_ montana. These guys remind me of teachers pets I used to remember at school. Would dob you in at the drop of a hat smiling while doing so but they had skeletons in the closet of their own and you took more than great pleasure in dishing it out to them in return. To me Melbourne Footy Club is the type of kid you always wanted to beat up because they did nothing until they played you and then they were nice and fired up. Just like their supporters they belong to a bygone era. Beat these ski chalet freaks.
Jack Watts is that kid. Dopey smile, geeky looking and just waiting to get his fragile body bruised just like his skipper Brad clench my jumper when we are 90 points up. I would love Lukey to do what he did to Farren Ray to the former and make sure that little crapola doesn't get up for a few minutes.
:cheers
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The AFL site tipping us to win by 11 :pray
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SUMMARY
Such has been the poor form of Essendon and Fremantle - the teams sitting seventh and eighth on the ladder - in recent weeks, Richmond and Melbourne are just a few percentage points outside the top eight, despite each having won only five of their 12 games in 2011. And with the Bombers expected to be beaten by the highly-rated Hawks this weekend, the clash between the Tigers and Demons shapes as a battle to see which of them is a genuine finals contender.
Richmond is delighted to be finally preparing for a game in Melbourne. The Tigers were beaten by Port Adelaide in Darwin in round 10 (it was their 'home' game, which they played in the Northern Territory), then had the bye in round 11. They subsequently lost to the Swans at the SCG in round 12 (and had to travel home by bus due to the volcanic ash), before they returned to the winners' list with a gutsy win over the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba last Saturday night (they were able to fly home after that one).
What to make of Melbourne? The Demons' form-line has been up and down like a yo-yo. In the past month, they've been flogged by Carlton, had an impressive win over Essendon, gone down to Collingwood by 88 points and beaten Fremantle by 15 goals. It is any wonder Dean Bailey seems to do a lot of head-shaking in the coach's box?
QUESTION MARKS
Is Dustin Martin proving to be the best player chosen in the 2009 NAB AFL Draft? A tough and skilful midfielder, Martin was taken behind Melbourne duo Tom Scully and Jack Trengove. But he has been among Richmond's best players almost every week since debuting in round one last year. He was again in dazzling touch against the Lions last Saturday night, booting five goals including one that featured his trademark fend-off.
Is Jack Watts now the real deal? The No.1 pick in the 2008 NAB AFL Draft, Watts struggled to impose himself on matches in his first two seasons. This year, he's produced a number of impressive performances, including a three-goal, 25-possession haul in Melbourne's huge win over Fremantle in round 13.
PREDICTION
Richmond by 11 points.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/116746/default.aspx
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I'm concerned about our forward line being a little slow with King and White out.
Anyone else share this concern?
I think we need to bring in some pace. Is Helbig quick?
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QUESTION MARKS
Is Dustin Martin proving to be the best player chosen in the 2009 NAB AFL Draft?
Question mark ? :lol No contest !
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Please just flog these guys - Dont know what it is but i have a real dislike for this team that likes to play bruise free footy.
I agree tony_ montana. These guys remind me of teachers pets I used to remember at school. Would dob you in at the drop of a hat smiling while doing so but they had skeletons in the closet of their own and you took more than great pleasure in dishing it out to them in return. To me Melbourne Footy Club is the type of kid you always wanted to beat up because they did nothing until they played you and then they were nice and fired up. Just like their supporters they belong to a bygone era. Beat these ski chalet freaks.
Jack Watts is that kid. Dopey smile, geeky looking and just waiting to get his fragile body bruised just like his skipper Brad clench my jumper when we are 90 points up. I would love Lukey to do what he did to Farren Ray to the former and make sure that little crapola doesn't get up for a few minutes.
:clapping
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I'm concerned about our forward line being a little slow with King and White out.
Anyone else share this concern?
I think we need to bring in some pace. Is Helbig quick?
Helbig is pretty quick Wilbur. Played his best VFL game of the season last week.
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I'm concerned about our forward line being a little slow with King and White out.
Anyone else share this concern?
I think we need to bring in some pace. Is Helbig quick?
Helbig is pretty quick Wilbur. Played his best VFL game of the season last week.
He might be the go then Gerks. King and to a lesser extent White, apply a great deal of pressure on opposition defenders. I think we'l need to cover their absence.
Maybe Hislop can play a defensive forward role. He's not overly quick, but seems to be a competent tackler.
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Please just flog these guys - Dont know what it is but i have a real dislike for this team that likes to play bruise free footy.
tony, just letting you know that you have been quoted on the site "demonland"
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Please just flog these guys - Dont know what it is but i have a real dislike for this team that likes to play bruise free footy.
I agree tony_ montana. These guys remind me of teachers pets I used to remember at school. Would dob you in at the drop of a hat smiling while doing so but they had skeletons in the closet of their own and you took more than great pleasure in dishing it out to them in return. To me Melbourne Footy Club is the type of kid you always wanted to beat up because they did nothing until they played you and then they were nice and fired up. Just like their supporters they belong to a bygone era. Beat these ski chalet freaks.
Jack Watts is that kid. Dopey smile, geeky looking and just waiting to get his fragile body bruised just like his skipper Brad clench my jumper when we are 90 points up. I would love Lukey to do what he did to Farren Ray to the former and make sure that little crapola doesn't get up for a few minutes.
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Here fycking here!
Smash the stuff out of the little upstarts.
What a joke-They hold the name of our entire city and they're little faggitos.
Bad for bizness if we ge trounced by the private schooled pedos in waiting.
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Most of my old mans side of the family follow Melbourne.
Which i have always thought to be strange, as they are mostly working class Sh1 t for brains.
But I guess they fit into the demographic of being total meat wands. They'd always be carrying on after win about how Lyon and Tingay were the best players ever to play the game. And they truly believed it.
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ROFL @ TINGAY
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Melbourne are like North Melbourne - IRRELEVANT! Neither club stand for anything North are Gypsies of the AFL and Melbourne doesnt stand for anything, what is Melbourne, Melbourne is the name of a city- Big deal. Melbourne is made up of suburbs like Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond - therefore rendering "Melbourne" in a football context IRRELEVANT! The suburbs have their representation thats why Melbourne is not needed. If they had any brains theyd change there club name to represent Berwick and Cranbourne areas and get a future but they are too thick to do that. There supporters are pee poor bunch of range rover driving, snow skiing yuppies. They have no place in the AFL - Im not surprised that Scully wants to leave them. Scully will leave and then Trengove will leave and itll be all she wrote for the snow skiing yuppies from nowhere.
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Teams like north and melbourne simply 'exist'.
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Sportal is another media outlet tipping us ...
WE THINK:
The prize for the winner of this match will be a place in the top eight should the Hawks defeat the Bombers on Friday night. At the very least, the winner will remain thereabouts while the loser must revert to playing catch-up.
The Demons have won three of their past four against Richmond including both of last year's contests decisively. Melbourne's form has fluctuated wildly this season compared to Richmond's. It took the Tigers five rounds to bring up their first win but they've been fairly consistent since. On paper at least, the Tigers match up well, especially in the midfield.
This will be the first Saturday afternoon match to be played at the MCG since Round 4 and the first for these teams at their home ground this season. Expect the Tigers to be celebrating around about five o'clock on Saturday. It's Richmond by 8 points.
Full article at: http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/preview-richmond-v-melbourne-127313
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Three articles on tiges in herald sun this morning, The press has already started.
Im sure there will be plenty on us in the lead up to the game to form a distraction.
I would love for us to win this game more than any other :gotigers
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I want to win just to make kids that barrack for melboure cry
"but everyone on bigfooty said if we tanked for draft picks we'd play finals, waaaaahhhh waaaaaahhhh waaaaaahhhhh i want to kiss my sister" :'(
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I still remember those Melbourne hags with horror on their withered and saggy faces on t.v in 1987 after the siren when Buckenara was lining up in the Prelim final and then the tears that flowed.
I want to see their grandkids those Stewarts, Davids Samanthas Megans Elizabeths Jane Lukes Emilys Daniels Stefans and Antons with those same looks on their faces on Saturday between quarter to five and five o'clock.
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Tigers feeling fresh
23/6/2011 3:36 PM
Angus Morgan
Sportal
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick doesn't expect the Tigers' recent gruelling travel schedule to have any bearing on their performance in Saturday's crucial clash with Melbourne at the MCG.
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Hardwick said the ongoing refinement of the Tigers' game plan remains his priority rather than the more immediate goal of winning on Saturday which could elevate the club into the top eight.
"There's certain areas of our game that we need to concentrate on and get better so effectively it's a battle against ourselves to get those results," he said.
"Every game within the AFL at the moment is a big game ... but for our guys we've just got to keep going about the things we do well."
"Offensively we've got some issues, defensively we have also, we've just got to nail those and get those right and the result will take care of itself."
Full article at: http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tigers-feeling-fresh-127429
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I'll hopefully be there, but Metro can go and stick their track works.
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Tigers freshened after travel
By Adam McNicol
Thu 23 Jun, 2011
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick is confident a reduced training load has helped his players shake off any fatigue resulting from their recent travel burden.
The Tigers, who play Melbourne at the MCG on Saturday afternoon, have been to Darwin, Sydney and Brisbane in the past month.
The Sydney trip was particularly arduous as they had to return home by bus due to the volcanic ash cloud.
"They're ok," Hardwick said after being asked whether his players were tired.
"We have recovery sessions and all that sort of thing. We've only trained once this week.
"This time of year is generally pretty hard. It's cold, it's wet, it's miserable.
"We're probably like most other sides in that our training has gone down somewhat and we're just trying to survive for the remainder of the year.
"The injury lists are starting to grow and ours is no different."
If Essendon loses to Hawthorn at the MCG on Friday night, the clash between the Tigers and Demons will become a battle for a place in the top eight.
But Hardwick doesn't want to hear any talk of finals.
"Ninth and 10th, who would've thought it would be this big a game?" he said, with a wry chuckle, on Thursday afternoon.
"It's a big game when two Melbourne side come together. Obviously the week after we've got Carlton, so it's going to be another big game.
"When things start to go ok then our crowd and our supporters get out there and it's a terrific atmosphere.
"But for us, it's all about getting our process right."
Richmond moved level on points with eighth-placed Essendon by defeating the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba last weekend.
As a result, the Tigers are on the verge of entering the top eight for the first time since round two, 2008.
However, the excitement of the fans has not rubbed off on the coach, who has become a very disciplined press-conference performer.
"Every week there's four points up for grabs," Hardwick told the media at the ME Bank Centre. "Every game within the AFL at the moment is a big game.
"I know people will try and build it up to be something, and the crowd will probably be bigger than normal, but for our guys we've just got to keep going about the things we do well."
Melbourne's erratic form means it's hard for opposition clubs to predict how they'll play.
In the past month, the Demons have been trashed by Carlton, comfortably beaten Essendon, gone down to Collingwood by 88 points and defeated Fremantle by 15 goals.
"Watching them against Fremantle last week, their ability to move the ball and move the ball with relative ease and at pace was probably concerning for us," Hardwick said.
"We've got to manage to slow them down and curtail their forward line. Brad Green had an outstanding game last week and he's an outstanding leader.
"They've got a number of players who can jump up and hurt you. Their forward line of Jurrah, Sylvia, even Petterd, these types of players, they can kick three or four goals at the drop of a hat.
"The task is there for us to see how we manage that, but we're very much looking forward to it."
Richmond will take on Melbourne without rugged forward Jake King, who was suspended for striking Brisbane Lion Ash McGrath.
"We are disappointed [with the tribunal's decision], but Jake has got to stop putting himself in those situations," Hardwick said.
"Ash McGrath and Jake probably went at it a little bit together at the start, but the thing with Jake is that he's a fiery bloke by nature.
"He's usually pretty good in those situations, so we're disappointed. He's become a quality player for us and he's going to be a huge loss on the weekend.
"He's a guy that is able to kick goals, puts enormous defensive pressure on sides, and also gives off a couple as well."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/116937/default.aspx
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One thing I don't like about Hardwick is the lack of leadership he shows regarding blokes getting suspended.
Now fair enough, King was probably unlucky but he is just another in the string of suspensions we have had under Hardwick and most have been for dumb acts.
I'd like to see him take a harder line on it.
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This game to me is dejavu of the Essendon game at Dreamtime.
Melbourne going in taller than us and using ruckmen in the fwd line to stretch us defensively.
One can hope the result will replicate from our last MCG home game.
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I'll hopefully be there, but Metro can go and stick their track works.
I'll be there behind the Richmond goals somewhere with the other ferals ;D.
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Damien Hardwick is concerned the Tigers will have a let-down against Melbourne
Courtney Walsh
From: The Australian
June 24, 2011
RICHMOND sits on the verge of the eight, has just posted a rare interstate win and boasts a player apparently capable of matching arguably the league's greatest ever.
A membership tally in its reception sits just a couple of thousand shy of 50,000 members, construction around its new headquarters continues without pause, and tomorrow it is guaranteed a windfall given it hosts Melbourne in a match that could thrust the victor into the eight.
Exciting times, right? Maybe not, according to Richmond coach Damien Hardwick, who is clearly anxious about the possibility of a let-down against the Demons, let alone any mention of the dreaded f-word. The irony in his voice yesterday was apparent when addressing a question as to whether he would raise with his players the prize at stake tomorrow.
"Yeah, four points. It is amazing. Every week there is four points up for grabs," he said.
"Every week in the AFL is a big game. I know people will try and build it up to be something, (but) ninth and 10th, who would've thought, hey, it would be this big a game?
"It's a big game when two Melbourne sides come together. Obviously the week after we've got Carlton, so it's going to be another big game.
"When things start to go OK then our crowd and our supporters get out there and it's a terrific atmosphere. But for us, it's all about getting our process right and worrying about the result at the end of it."
The tempered talk comes despite the talent the Tigers boast. Dual best and fairest Brett Deledio is in career-best form at half-back. Trent Cotchin is relishing consistent match time, his skills coming to the fore through the middle and in attack. Then there is Dustin Martin, who received all manner of accolades this week after booting five goals to steer his side to a gritty interstate win over Brisbane.
It prompted former Kangaroo and Swans star Wayne Schwass to compare him with the great Leigh Matthews. Others have likened him to former Collingwood hardman Darren Millane and Kangaroos premiership player Sam Kekovich.
Even ex-Crow and Brownlow medallist Mark Ricciuto sees a little of himself in Martin, which is enough to give any opponent a quickened heart.
Not that the support crew has been shabby, either. Jack Riewoldt, after all, has a chance to regain the lead in his defence of his Coleman Medal given the absence through suspension of leader Lance Franklin.
Why, then, the reluctance to spruik Richmond's prospects tomorrow? In part it is because Richmond is still to establish itself and to produce consistent football.
Hardwick rated its past three efforts, against Port Adelaide in Darwin, the Swans in Sydney and the Lions in Brisbane, as poor, OK and a great experience given they "came away with the four points". There is, he said, considerable room for improvement.
"We are still trying to implement things that we have in place and we are still not doing it to the level we'd require to consistently win footy games and that is a big thing for us at the moment," he said.
"We have got a number of trends that we are trying to get onwards and upwards and a number of those we are still not meeting. We just concentrate . . . on the certain areas of our game that we need to get better, so effectively it is a battle against ourselves to get those results."
There is, too, an opponent with similarities. One need only look at the past three weeks to ascertain how inconsistent Melbourne is: a five-goal defeat of Essendon, a thumping from Collingwood, a thrashing of Fremantle. It is the latter match that most concerned Hardwick, who had fewer worries about talking up Richmond's opponent.
"Last week I went and watched them and they were terrific," he said. "They looked like a side that is well and truly entrenched in the eight, so it is going to be a big test for our guys this week.
"Melbourne, when they are up and going, I don't think there is a better side that spreads. They spread hard and they use the ball very, very well."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/damien-hardwick-is-concerned-the-tigers-will-have-a-let-down-against-melbourne/story-e6frg7mf-1226080875413
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RICHMOND sits on the verge of the eight, has just posted a rare interstate win
I thought our interstate record was ok recently ? Could be wrong but we've won in Perth and Adelaide in recent seasons and haven't lost in Brisbane for a few years now.
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RICHMOND sits on the verge of the eight, has just posted a rare interstate win
I thought our interstate record was ok recently ? Could be wrong but we've won in Perth and Adelaide in recent seasons and haven't lost in Brisbane for a few years now.
Your on the money there Mr Black, pretty sure we won every interstate game we played last season??
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RICHMOND sits on the verge of the eight, has just posted a rare interstate win
I thought our interstate record was ok recently ? Could be wrong but we've won in Perth and Adelaide in recent seasons and haven't lost in Brisbane for a few years now.
Your on the money there Mr Black, pretty sure we won every interstate game we played last season??
Great record in 2010 agaisnt interstate teams as they are the only ones we beat ;D
However, I think you will find we only won 2 games interstate last season Port & Brisbane, got pounded by Syd, lost to Freo and lost against Adel
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However, I think you will find we only won 2 games interstate last season Port & Brisbane, got pounded by Syd, lost to Freo and lost against Adel
So that's a 37.5% success rate interstate over the past 2 years. Not too shabby considering where we finished in 2010.
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This game may be won up forward (as most of them are) with Garland nursing a sore ankle and Frawley having problems with his shoulders.
Need Reiwoldt, Miller or Tyrone to have a big influence. I'm tipping Brad Miller to have a huge game with 4 goals?
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Demons seem to have the wood on us lately.
Never forget the infamous "Jordie McMahon match" where a team deliberately trying to lose came so close to victory.
I would be more confident about tomorrow if Push up were playing.....we may miss the energy that the mongrel dog ( i mean that as a compliment) brings to the forward line.
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I'm tipping Brad Miller to have a huge game with 4 goals?
He'll need about 10 shots on goal :lol
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Richo and Danny Daly preview the Melbourne game:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/366579/default.aspx (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/366579/default.aspx)
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Hopefully Jamar's rusty coz that could be a problem matchup for us when he goes forward. McGuane will probably have to stand him :help
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Look everyone time to get serious here. This is the third opportunity we have had this year to jump into the top 8 courtesy of the Bombers getting thumped today.
No excuses again in this game, we let ourselves down badly against the Dogs, we then did the same against Port, these games we must win and we must start winning them this weekend against the Dons....NO EXCUSES boys!!!
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feels like a final today.
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Not many at the ground yet for it to feel like a final. :-)
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Stream anyone?
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feels like a final today.
It does, I think it's because it's a nice day and it's Saturday arvo.
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Again we trail at quarter time. :banghead
Same amount of shots, but Demons have dominated the last 15 minutes.
We've made a couple of bad mistakes that have cost goals and Newy holds his ground and gets pinged for a shepard!! :banghead
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chucked away a good start from 2 turnovers that got them into the game and then they went on with it. we dont have a defence and JR doing zip up forward. very disappointing 1st quarter.
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listening to it on triple M. Sounds like umpires are being inconsistent on our half behalf.
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They're about to bust us open....
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no defence, no rucks, and some very average players around the flanks - not surprised really we are 3 or 4 class players away from doing anything. we couldnt afford to chuck away our lead but we did, when that happened they got their tails up. anyway ... life goes on.
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what are these gentlemen doing today Hislop, Miller, Gouris, McGuane, Nahas and Browne? Any chance any of these guys will do anything useful?
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Bring on 14th position.
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Not looking good. Farmer and hislop have been absolute liabilities. Theres no effing two ways about it. You can add Miller to that. :banghead
Too many errors.
We are losing the game in the centre. Not being accountable enough. And once it heads into Melbs forward line our defense is weak.
Jones is killing us. Martin needs to break his tag.
Add to that Melbournes straight kicking and the umpires not paying frees to us and thats why we are 5 goals down.
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take the umpiring out of it, if we were any good the umpiring would not be an issue. We just are not there yet and thats it in a nutshell.
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take the umpiring out of it, if we were any good the umpiring would not be an issue. We just are not there yet and thats it in a nutshell.
Not having a go at you WA tige
But when will we'll be there?? It must be a mental thing, They are capable of beating teams like this.
However they cower and hide in the shadows, I clearly dont understand- excuse my stupidity
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take the umpiring out of it, if we were any good the umpiring would not be an issue. We just are not there yet and thats it in a nutshell.
Not having a go at you WA tige
But when will we'll be there?? It must be a mental thing, They are capable of beating teams like this.
However they cower and hide in the shadows, I clearly dont understand- excuse my stupidity
Totally agree with your comments and thats what I meant, we just are not there!!! It's just becoming stupid that we can't stand up in these games and win.
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stuff it, that hurts
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Tired bodies tired minds, just no run today and as a result we are stationary targets, making it easy for the Dees. We have see terrible turnovers by some of our best skilled players, put in the mix Gourdis, McGuane Hisflop and we just are way off challenging against teams in the 8.
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Again getting smashed at the clearances and have turned it over under pressure.
Should change it up with TV to the ruck and a smaller more mobile forward line with Jack deep in the goal sqare in the last 1/4.
Miller off, Goo to CHF as the lead up for structural purposes.
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McGuane has to go, i reckon he has cost us 5 goals
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People who think brad miller gives us "structure" have their heads up their effin backsides. He is a dead set idiot.
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well :(
back to the club rooms for more pure blondes i guess. cyas
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::) Carlton next week :-\ then essendon who have lossed six straight ::)
1st quarter disappointing.
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Can't fault the effort. That last quarter was like a final.
We just can't keep letting teams get head starts. :banghead
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6 or 7 players kill us every week with errors. its losses like today that kill your club spirit.
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Typical us to get Jurrah into some form. Lazy effin prick.
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We had no run today no doubt but totally out of our control is the umpiring. Can anybody explain the holding the ball rule? What i dont get is if you are in possession get tackled as you kick and miss the ball the it appears to be instantly holding the ball. Why is the rule different when you get tackled and attempt to handball? I dont know how many times today we tackled players who just missed the ball with their hands and its play on.
Also on a coaching level i think the coaches have to have a serious look at our methods of ball possession in packs. Not sure if there are stats on it but we must get penalized more times for diving on the ball than any other teams. Its got to be something we are doing compared to other teams who seem to be able to bottle things up without infringing. Conca would have to have the most infringements in this area
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Typical us to get Jurrah into some form. Lazy effin prick.
stuff mcgaune Is a cancer
as is miller
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Could not get thE ball into our half enough.
Scully. Moloney. Jones rape us in the middle.
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I liked the fact we never gave up but it has become evident that Melbourne's list runs much deeper than ours.
The Dees had too much polish for us.We looked really tired in the second half.
Frawley has owned Riewoldt the last couple of encounters .
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WHAT REALLY poos ME TO PIECES IS THAT I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME A RICHMOND PLAYER TOOK OUT AN OPPOSITION PLAYER FROM THE GAME. WE ARE TOO SOFT IMHO. THAT AND THAT OUR BOTTOM 6 OR 7 SEVEN PLAYERS ARE CRAP AND DESTROY OUR WEEKENDS WITH THERE rubbish PERFORMANCES. THATS ALL.
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WHAT REALLY pooS ME TO PIECES IS THAT I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME A RICHMOND PLAYER TOOK OUT AN OPPOSITION PLAYER FROM THE GAME. WE ARE TOO SOFT IMHO. THAT AND THAT OUR BOTTOM 6 OR 7 SEVEN PLAYERS ARE CRAP AND DESTROY OUR WEEKENDS WITH THERE rubbish PERFORMANCES. THATS ALL.
Jackson took out Ballentine last year
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People are totally underestimating Melbourne. Every week I thank the lord that Melbourne keep persisting with Dean Bailey as he is the weak link in their football department. Melbourne has the capacity to be better than the geelong side of the last 5 years, they are teeming with talent and ability and they haven't even realized it yet, a few outsiders around the club have. Melbourne should actually be well intrenched in the 8 right now and challenging the likes of Carlton and the Hawks for top 4 positions. Make no mistake, they are good enough, they are just very poorly lead, a Thompson, Malthouse, Worsfold would take them over the top.
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People are totally underestimating Melbourne. Every week I thank the lord that Melbourne keep persisting with Dean Bailey as he is the weak link in their football department. Melbourne has the capacity to be better than the geelong side of the last 5 years, they are teeming with talent and ability and they haven't even realized it yet, a few outsiders around the club have. Melbourne should actually be well intrenched in the 8 right now and challenging the likes of Carlton and the Hawks for top 4 positions. Make no mistake, they are good enough, they are just very poorly lead, a Thompson, Malthouse, Worsfold would take them over the top.
Have to admit they have players like Frawley and Trengove who are wonderful players. Hadnt seen Frawley for a while, hes become an outstanding player from what I saw today.
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McGone can't kick, Miller is useless and Herslop is an oxygen thief
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McGone can't kick, Miller is useless and Herslop is an oxygen thief
What does that trifecta pay?
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Just got back.
Missed the push up.
'65
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McGone can't kick, Miller is useless and Herslop is an oxygen thief
What does that trifecta pay?
If we trade them now, we might be able to get a half eaten pancake and a douche kit.
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McGone can't kick, Miller is useless and Herslop is an oxygen thief
Its not Hislops fault he is getting a game! They may not be up to it but to call someone an oxygen thief due to his percieved inabilty to play AFL is a bit harsh!
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McGone can't kick, Miller is useless and Herslop is an oxygen thief
Its not Hislops fault he is getting a game! They may not be up to it but to call someone an oxygen thief due to his percieved inabilty to play AFL is a bit harsh!
his effort to win the ball in the 4th was class.
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our decision making and effort was pathetic today
mguane herslops gourdis wtf
farmer is frustrating, does something really good, then reallly stupid, as nahas
and jackson, well if tuck cant get a game cos he cant kick well wtf is that ranga doing in the team
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McGone can't kick, Miller is useless and Herslop is an oxygen thief
Its not Hislops fault he is getting a game! They may not be up to it but to call someone an oxygen thief due to his percieved inabilty to play AFL is a bit harsh!
his effort to win the ball in the 4th was class.
His effort to win the ball and ability to use the ball in the other 3 quarters was 4th class.
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Another let down, really not good enough, we just can't seem to get up for these games can we. Players like Martin and Cotchin just can't compete when the pressure is on in these games....
How did Gourdis go, seems like he had a few possies.
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people people people.
we are just not good enough yet. thats it. Glorified wins against freo and Bombers without their best players just hides the fact that we are better off finishing at the lower end that finishing 9th and in no mans land again.
Our biggest liabilities are the following
browne or lack of ruck options
Mcguane
Hislop
Edwards
Farmer
Miller
my biggest concern is the lack of new ideas today when we had our backs against the wall.
Newy had kicked 2 why not throw him in the forward line and Farmer back.
What is wrong with our club is we give spuds like Hislop many chances to perform and he throws it back in our faces.
Browne. ooh dear me. Gus aside i doubt i have seen a more pitiful ruckman in my entire life. His hands on the hips when the ball is within 30 metres was cringe worth stuff. Its not his fault he gets selected its ours.
How Post is not tried ahead of Miller is another strange decision.
Now Jackson is he a tagger or is he a midfielder. Im confused. I have rarely see him defeat an opponent. Moloney smashed him today.
Bottom line is we still need 1 A grade midfielder, defender and a descent ruckman that dont ruck like Trent Knobel, if we are going to compete with the best.
Mcguane. Can anyone on here seriously say with a straight face that he is a descent defender. Should have offloaded him to GC or anyone for nothing.
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when does mcguanes contract run out?
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when does mcguanes contract run out?
end of the year.
Goodbye
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when does mcguanes contract run out?
end of the year.
Goodbye
well hes had a good run on a good contract, someone else can pay his wages from now on coz Richmond supporters are sick of paying him good money for his contract.
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Well today was definitely a trip back to the painful memories of the past 3 decades. Dropping marks, handballing straight to the opposition, pathetic opposition players having a day out (Jurrah, Petterd, Green, Jones and worst of all that tiara-wearing umpire's love child Watts were the duds who we gifted some form this time around) and maintaining that frustrating 5 goal deficit; just enough to use up all optimism on thinking that there's a possible comeback on the cards, but enough to make it near impossible for us to come back. Vickery, Newman and Foley were perhaps the only decent performers. Rance tried hard, but there's only so much you can do when you're up against umpires who will ping you for contact.
All in all, an embarrassing performance. Only positive was that I've now got 4 less hours to record in the Learner's log book as a result of watching that.
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when does mcguanes contract run out?
end of the year.
Goodbye
Incorrect. He is contracted for another year at the bargain price of 450k for the season. Woooohooooo! You stuffing beauty...thanks Craig Cameron.
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people people people.
Bottom line is we still need 1 A grade midfielder, defender and a descent ruckman that dont ruck like Trent Knobel, if we are going to compete with the best.
Um, ok daniel...so are Martin and Cotchin not considered "A Grade" midfielders??? What it is, they have to play more consistent football, instead of cameo games. Or did you mean we need at least 1 more A grade mid??
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You bastard JT.
Give us some good news for a change :police:
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Another let down, really not good enough, we just can't seem to get up for these games can we. Players like Martin and Cotchin just can't compete when the pressure is on in these games....
How did Gourdis go, seems like he had a few possies.
Martin and cotchin got 40 odd touches.
I think Its more they struggle to carry the poorest players in the side week after week at such a young age.
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when does mcguanes contract run out?
end of the year.
Goodbye
Incorrect. He is contracted for another year at the bargain price of 450k for the season. Woooohooooo! You effing beauty...thanks Craig Cameron.
is that 100%. i have heard from more than 1 person its the end of this year.
Surely we dont have to put up with another year from this pretender
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when does mcguanes contract run out?
end of the year.
Goodbye
Incorrect. He is contracted for another year at the bargain price of 450k for the season. Woooohooooo! You effing beauty...thanks Craig Cameron.
You bastard JT.
Give us some good news for a change :police:
Shut up dookie. >:(
is that 100%. i have heard from more than 1 person its the end of this year.
Surely we dont have to put up with another year from this pretender
Am 99% sure that he's got 2012 as well.
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people people people.
Bottom line is we still need 1 A grade midfielder, defender and a descent ruckman that dont ruck like Trent Knobel, if we are going to compete with the best.
Um, ok daniel...so are Martin and Cotchin not considered "A Grade" midfielders??? What it is, they have to play more consistent football, instead of cameo games. Or did you mean we need at least 1 more A grade mid??
of course they are potential A graders but we need depth.
We lose Lids, Dusty or Cotch for a year who will replace them. Edwards, Hislop. Come on lets be serious, we dont have enough depth. Fact
We need 1 more to add to complement them because you have to remember Lids is not even classified as a mid either so really we only have 2 A graders in Dusty and Cotch.
Pies. Pendlebury, Swan, Daisy
Dees. Scully, Trengove, Moloney
Cats, Ablett, Champman, Selwood, Bartel
Lions. Power, Black, Voss, Lappin, Aker
We still have some serious holes gents, that picture is becoming very clear which is why a mid table finish is pointless
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Who told me to shuddup? How VERY dare you >:(
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Another let down, really not good enough, we just can't seem to get up for these games can we. Players like Martin and Cotchin just can't compete when the pressure is on in these games....
How did Gourdis go, seems like he had a few possies.
Martin and cotchin got 40 odd touches.
I think Its more they struggle to carry the poorest players in the side week after week at such a young age.
40 odd....how about 19 each, way below what front line mids should be getting, and wen you look at the players gathering more possessions above them.....it's a concern!
41 N.Foley 27 14 13 1 0 5 107
14 B.Houli 27 17 10 0 0 4 84
3 B.Deledio 26 13 13 1 0 4 89
26 R.Nahas 23 10 13 0 0 2 77
10 S.Edwards 22 14 8 1 1 5 92
17 C.Newman 20 14 6 2 0 3 102
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We still have duds, yes, but we need games under belts.
Once the midfield plays together for another 40-50 games, they'll block for each other, protect each other and understand how each other plays better.
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Very disappointed in the result, I have a nagging doubt at the back of my mind that we have got into a situation where it has become so ingrained to fail when expectations rise that we may struggle to turn it around. A bit like the way St Kilda will never win a grand final no matter how well they are going.
Riewoldt got a bath, Cotchin and Martin both struggled to have influence which is always gonna hurt.
Our defence with Rance aside, is just ripped to shreds at the minute and looks incapable of holding any forward.
Once again I thought we were smashed in the coaches box, our kick out strategy was appalling - why when we don't have an option and have to go long do we so often go straight down the ground into a vunerable area, instead of the flank where we can reset at the boundary line?
Miller in the ruck was diabolical and I thought Martin and Cotchin should have spent time deep forward to break a tag. We lacked a ground presence up forward.
Wouldn't want to drive with Nahas, he takes 6 u-turns to travel 10 metres, Houli made plenty of poor decisions and I refuse to even acknowledge Hislop as an RFC player.
On the plus side Deledio took another step to being a week in week out gun, Vickery is probably a better forward than Jack right now and Foley continues to regain ground I thought he never would.
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Very disappointed in the result, I have a nagging doubt at the back of my mind that we have got into a situation where it has become so ingrained to fail when expectations rise that we may struggle to turn it around. A bit like the way St Kilda will never win a grand final no matter how well they are going.
Riewoldt got a bath, Cotchin and Martin both struggled to have influence which is always gonna hurt.
Our defence with Rance aside, is just ripped to shreds at the minute and looks incapable of holding any forward.
Once again I thought we were smashed in the coaches box, our kick out strategy was appalling - why when we don't have an option and have to go long do we so often go straight down the ground into a vunerable area, instead of the flank where we can reset at the boundary line?
Miller in the ruck was diabolical and I thought Martin and Cotchin should have spent time deep forward to break a tag. We lacked a ground presence up forward.
Wouldn't want to drive with Nahas, he takes 6 u-turns to travel 10 metres, Houli made plenty of poor decisions and I refuse to even acknowledge Hislop as an RFC player.
On the plus side Deledio took another step to being a week in week out gun, Vickery is probably a better forward than Jack right now and Foley continues to regain ground I thought he never would.
I hear ya big richo - I was 100% sure we would lose today bc it was a big game and invariably we fail every time we are in this position. Unfortunately I have one word to say
CULTURE
as well as Dimma is going we have an ingrained loser culture that is going to be monumentally hard to change
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Very disappointed in the result, I have a nagging doubt at the back of my mind that we have got into a situation where it has become so ingrained to fail when expectations rise that we may struggle to turn it around. A bit like the way St Kilda will never win a grand final no matter how well they are going.
Riewoldt got a bath, Cotchin and Martin both struggled to have influence which is always gonna hurt.
Our defence with Rance aside, is just ripped to shreds at the minute and looks incapable of holding any forward.
Once again I thought we were smashed in the coaches box, our kick out strategy was appalling - why when we don't have an option and have to go long do we so often go straight down the ground into a vunerable area, instead of the flank where we can reset at the boundary line?
Miller in the ruck was diabolical and I thought Martin and Cotchin should have spent time deep forward to break a tag. We lacked a ground presence up forward.
Wouldn't want to drive with Nahas, he takes 6 u-turns to travel 10 metres, Houli made plenty of poor decisions and I refuse to even acknowledge Hislop as an RFC player.
On the plus side Deledio took another step to being a week in week out gun, Vickery is probably a better forward than Jack right now and Foley continues to regain ground I thought he never would.
I hear ya big richo - I was 100% sure we would lose today bc it was a big game and invariably we fail every time we are in this position. Unfortunately I have one word to say
CULTURE
as well as Dimma is going we have an ingrained loser culture that is going to be monumentally hard to change
TM our list is simply not good enough. Honestly have a look at it mate. We lack serious depth.
We drew with a pathetic stkilda and beat a very undermanned Fremantle and Bummers. Our other wins were Lions x 2 and North.
Our list is not good enough to take us where we want to go. Our defence and ruck are a major concern. No depth in the midfield if you ask me
Dont let the ladder position fool you we still dont have enough talent. Culture is getting better and i dont think its a major problem anymore or we would've lost by 60 plus.
We never gave up today. The dees simply have more class
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No time to read the whole thread.
Simple facts of today:
- Didn't put scoreboard pressure from our opening 15 minute dominace. 12 inside 60 vs 1 and we were 8 points up. Not good enough.
- First half blunders resulted in turn over goals which stretched the margin to 5 goals, which we never got back
- Cotchin, Martin and Riewoldt were severly beaten.
- AFL stuff up with 3 inexperienced rookie umpires that were at sea in from of 60k in a big game. They were terrible, circus holding the ball rule is a joke. No-one likes it, get rid of it. The 3 umpires on the ground can't be consistant how can it be consistant over a round, over a season. Pathetic.
- Dees just wanted it more, worked harder and worked to space a lot better.
- Exposed in ruck again
- Exposed down back with lack of KP defender
In a nut shell really, not far off Melbourne, I think we'll be better long term, they relied heavily on Green to get them into the game in the first qtr. Green wont be in their next premiership.
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as well as Dimma is going we have an ingrained loser culture that is going to be monumentally hard to change
lol.....You have honestly lost the plot if you believe this ??? ??? We have had a looser culture for the last 20 year's Hardwick has been there for 18 month's of that time and the Cancer had been running wild long before he came along!
You can't 100% blame Hardwick for our culture, we have taken giant steps since he has been at the helm but there is still plenty of cancer that needs to be cut out and I think today it was really exposed so lets see at seasons end if it is finally dealt with or not.....
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The most annoying thing about yesterday's loss was we were made to look soft against one of the softest sides in the AFL. The number of tackles that Melbourne players were so easily able to avoid or breakout of was ridiculous. They wanted it more and we had just too many passengers to resist.
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as well as Dimma is going we have an ingrained loser culture that is going to be monumentally hard to change
lol.....You have honestly lost the plot if you believe this ??? ??? We have had a looser culture for the last 20 year's Hardwick has been there for 18 month's of that time and the Cancer had been running wild long before he came along!
You can't 100% blame Hardwick for our culture, we have taken giant steps since he has been at the helm but there is still plenty of cancer that needs to be cut out and I think today it was really exposed so lets see at seasons end if it is finally dealt with or not.....
I don't think TM is blaming Dimma moreso commenting on the culture of choking in big games has been at the club since the 80s and it is something that is still in the clubs pyshe today - for whatever reason. I knew we would lose too - in fact my multi of the round was hawks into dees paying 4:50. Easy money but can't bet against the tigers.
I can handle a loss but expect our big 4 or 5 to play well in these games - as Daniel said the list is still a problem and we need another 5 or 6 good players to get the depth necessary to provide the support cast to compete hard in big games
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The most annoying thing about yesterday's loss was we were made to look soft against one of the softest sides in the AFL. The number of tackles that Melbourne players were so easily able to avoid or breakout of was ridiculous. They wanted it more and we had just too many passengers to resist.
Best post of the week :clapping
And we have a few that clearly arent up to it, when the pressure is on.
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Positives- Foley played well, Brett played okay and Vickery continues to play well. Negatives- not clean with ball use, couldn't win it out of the middle, poor decision making - eg kicking out and handballing it to someoune under the pump. Houli, Conca, Batchelor all had really off days. Miller was poor. Missed king. I dont believe you can play Farmer Hislop and Webberley in the same team. It is either or not all. Farmer and Hislop lack speed and were basically ineffective yesterday. Until we get a good ruckman we will be continue to lose to sides like Melbourne. I think Gourdis played okay. McGuane is a very frustrating player-he does some good things and then undoes it with poor dispoal.
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we have got some significant injuries fellas and kingy out and we don't have the depth to cover it. I also want to know what is going on with Morton, he is a good footballer, is he back yet? As for our almost decent midfield Daniel.... most clubs would trample their stuffing grandmothers to sign them up. Yesterday we had a malfunctioning backline, and a whole team that looked like they had legs full of molasses. I don't know why, but they looked absolutely sluggish from the outset. Two of our kickouts they called for em to bunch up the guts and no bastard even moved or made a lead and it went straight to that ponce with crumpet burns twixt his arse cheeks, Watts. Riddle me this, why were they so buggered?
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Gonna stick up for Webbers here, he did alright.
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as well as Dimma is going we have an ingrained loser culture that is going to be monumentally hard to change
lol.....You have honestly lost the plot if you believe this ??? ??? We have had a looser culture for the last 20 year's Hardwick has been there for 18 month's of that time and the Cancer had been running wild long before he came along!
You can't 100% blame Hardwick for our culture, we have taken giant steps since he has been at the helm but there is still plenty of cancer that needs to be cut out and I think today it was really exposed so lets see at seasons end if it is finally dealt with or not.....
yeah that's what I'm saying, Dimma is the cause of a 30 year embedded loser culture ::)
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as well as Dimma is going we have an ingrained loser culture that is going to be monumentally hard to change
lol.....You have honestly lost the plot if you believe this ??? ??? We have had a looser culture for the last 20 year's Hardwick has been there for 18 month's of that time and the Cancer had been running wild long before he came along!
You can't 100% blame Hardwick for our culture, we have taken giant steps since he has been at the helm but there is still plenty of cancer that needs to be cut out and I think today it was really exposed so lets see at seasons end if it is finally dealt with or not.....
yeah that's what I'm saying, Dimma is the cause of a 30 year embedded loser culture ::)
lol, My bad Tony,I just read the post properly and noticed the part "we HAVE an ingrained loser culture" Sorry mateI completely miss read what you wefre saying.... :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Gonna stick up for Webbers here, he did alright.
Agreed. I'll ride shotgun with ya Hooter.
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Gonna stick up for Webbers here, he did alright.
Agreed. I'll ride shotgun with ya Hooter.
Looks like Dookie and I will throw you on the spit then Hootman.
Couple of other things I remembered from yesterday, our defenders lacked basic understandings yesterday. The number of time the old mantra of only going up if your man does wasn't followed was staggering. If Jurrah kicked straight it would have cost us plenty.
Also every man and his dog knew Moloney was their key to clearances, so why didn't someone go to him at the centre bounce?
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raped in another big game, no excuses yesterday. Melbourne came to play & the preasure forced us to make bad mistakes.
just shows the club has along way to go before playing finals
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raped in another big game, no excuses yesterday. Melbourne came to play & the preasure forced us to make bad mistakes.
just shows the club has along way to go before playing finals
Would totally agree.
Huge disappointments in the back half of the ground when being put under pressure.
Decision making where a kick was the option instead we handballed to players covered who were stationary time and time again.
Also need a ruckman who is a leader by his actions.
Interesting Martin for them led by example in ruck and up forward.( 2 goals )
They have a really good spread of players too.
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I've had a day to let the feeling sink in.
First point we were stuffed at the tribunal in contesting King's charge and came up with a lame defence. Missed his tackling and forward line pressure.
That pressure seeped in as King has a good ability to get those around him up. Our tackling yesterday was reminiscent of the Solarium Man's reign.
Turnovers Turnovers Turnovers. Melb's 1st two goals to Green were from Nahas and McGuane errors.
Got them back into the game and we never recovered.
Skills and too many passengers.
It's almost as if everyone wants us to get to these games only for us to fall away and lose and go back to oblivion. Happened three times this season Dogs Port and yesterday. Tony_Montana is spot on the culture is changing but until it fully changes we will stick in mid table mediocrity.
As for our bottom 6-8 plyaers. They have no skills and no impact and are well well short at this level in any AFL side let alone ours. We know who they are.
Even our descent players struggled yesterday. Which means with our lack of depth we have very few capable to step up to help ease pressure and then help those struggling come into the game.
Thing that peees me off is Melbourne who are soft had blokes like Jones and Moloney who are good in and under players who made our blokes look second rate and feel soft. Princesses like Green and Watts were made to look like superstars and we looked just so short of resources.
Jack needs to learn to play with TV and find a way to get his 4 or 5 while Vix gets his 2-3 rather than be petulent and try and fly for the speccy each time and kick impossible goals from half chances when there are options. Get back to basics. A stint in the twos just to show who is boss may be the tonic. Has been terrible four weeks in a row now since Dreamtime.
Carlton and Essendon next couple then GC17 in Cairns. Seaon is over need to develop a few kids.
Miller out and Post in the experiment is over. Let the kid play insurance has served its purpose now its overkill. Play Post regardless. Can't do the kids confidence any good in and out subbed. WTF.
Trade Draft KPP defender and ruckman and take it from there. We are so so so short it aint funny. Port we saw as an aberration Darwin etc etc, Sydney haven't won there since 2004 yada yada yada, yesterday against an inconsistent team who similar to us on the ladder but our form was more steady and they showed us up for the pretenders that we are. Dimma needs to cut another 8-9.
Start playing McDonald and give Derickx a go. Simple we are realistically from finals 2013 at the earliest. The job has begun and we need to follow through. Finals 2011 would have been a seduction of the highest order and we would have been raped on the big stage again. Possibly then we would not have been doing the job we needed to do and then by 2015 we would be talking about another token finals series. Keep doing the job DImma and get rid of another 8-10.
Sadly the sins of the Wallace era will play themselves out for a few more years and rather than blaming Dimma for culture which he and others have been trying to change point the finger at him. If he had any balls just like he likes to take credit for the kids running around when we are winning its his legacy especially and those of his predecessors that keep coming to the forefront in the post moretoms after another big game defeat. No responsibility from those in the go from the past .Life goes on deep breath and wait for 2013. :pray
At least we won't finish 9th with North Melbourne hovering. Essendon v Richmond in two weeks is for 12th and 13th spot. :thumbsup
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I've had a day to let the feeling sink in.
First point we were stuffed at the tribunal in contesting King's charge and came up with a lame defence. Missed his tackling and forward line pressure.
That pressure seeped in as King has a good ability to get those around him up. Our tackling yesterday was reminiscent of the Solarium Man's reign.
Turnovers Turnovers Turnovers. Melb's 1st two goals to Green were from Nahas and McGuane errors.
Got them back into the game and we never recovered.
Skills and too many passengers.
It's almost as if everyone wants us to get to these games only for us to fall away and lose and go back to oblivion. Happened three times this season Dogs Port and yesterday. Tony_Montana is spot on the culture is changing but until it fully changes we will stick in mid table mediocrity.
As for our bottom 6-8 plyaers. They have no skills and no impact and are well well short at this level in any AFL side let alone ours. We know who they are.
Even our descent players struggled yesterday. Which means with our lack of depth we have very few capable to step up to help ease pressure and then help those struggling come into the game.
Thing that peees me off is Melbourne who are soft had blokes like Jones and Moloney who are good in and under players who made our blokes look second rate and feel soft. Princesses like Green and Watts were made to look like superstars and we looked just so short of resources.
Jack needs to learn to play with TY and find a way to get his 4 or 5 while Vix gets his 2-3 rather than be petulent and try and fly for the speccy each time and kick impossible goals from half chances when there are options. Get back to basics. A stint in the two just to show who is boss may be the tonic.
Carlton and Essendon next couple then GC17 in Cairns. Seaon is over need to develop a few kids.
Miller out and Post in the experiment is over. Let the kid play insurance has served its purpose now its overkill. PLay him regardless. Can't do the kids confidence any good in and out subbed.
Trade Draft KPP defender and ruckman and take it from there. We are so sos o short it aint funny. Port we saw as an aberration Darwin etc etc, Sydney haven't won there since 2004 yada yada yada, yesterday against an inconsistent team who similar to us on the ladder but our form was more steady and they showed us up for the pretenders that we are. Dimma needs to cut another 8-9.
Start playing McDonald and give Derickx a go. Simple we are realistically from finals 2013 at the earliest. The job has begun and we need to follow through. Finals 2011 would have been a seduction of the highest order and we would have been raped on the big stage again. Keep doing the job DImma and get rid of another 8-10.
Sadly the sins of the Wallace era will play themselves out for a few more years and rather than blaming Dimma for culture which he and others have been trying to change point the finger at him. If he had any balls just like he likes to take credit for the kids running around when we are winning its his legacy especially and those of his predecessors that keep coming to the forefront in the post moretoms after another big game defeat. Life goes on deep breath and wait for 2013. :pray
cant disagree with any of that IMHO :thumbsup
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Well said Tuckerbag.
RFC have gotta take a deep breath and realise that we are a 10th to 14th ranked side and that we must cull the duds that are not up to it and continue to invest and harvest the draft.
Trading for stop gaps in any significant way is the epitomy of self-delusion which will limit any sustained tilt at the top 2 in the next 4 to 6 years.
No more excuses !!
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Jamar to moloney smashed us.
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Agree with Tuckerbag. We need a ruckman to really improve. Agree Jamar and Moloney killed us. Green is a very very average player we made him look like a superstar
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Jamar to moloney smashed us.
And that wasn't a surprise, it was even highlighted in the paper yesterday morning.
So the question is was it poor coaching to not shut Moloney down or did the players not execute?
From my observation we didn't seem to go to Moloney at the centre bounce so I'd suggest option A.
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Once again I thought we were smashed in the coaches box, our kick out strategy was appalling - why when we don't have an option and have to go long do we so often go straight down the ground into a vunerable area, instead of the flank where we can reset at the boundary line?
Agree with this - I thought the way the Dees manned up against Houli was a huge win for Bailey. They detemined that Houli has been our go to man to clear out of the HB line, they made sure where ever possible that there was some close to him to put him under extra pressure - great tactic. It came off in spades, Houli's output was down on the last 6 weeks and probably impacted on his decision in the frist qtr to pull out of the contest and stand back & wait to tackle. I don't think Houli will enjoy watching that piece of vision it looked bad and seeing it resulted in a goal it was bad.
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The most annoying thing about yesterday's loss was we were made to look soft against one of the softest sides in the AFL. The number of tackles that Melbourne players were so easily able to avoid or breakout of was ridiculous. They wanted it more and we had just too many passengers to resist.
Best post of the week :clapping
And we have a few that clearly arent up to it, when the pressure is on.
Totally agree MT that is why yesterday's "effort" and result is the most disappointing of the season for mine. That we got a close as we did when we didn't deserve too was a more Melb's awful conversion after half time than anything positive we did
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Tucker would have to say thats a very classy post pal. Absolutely spot on.
Not good enough and teams still build themselves up when they play like us.
Put the pressure on at the start and they will crush like an egg is what Lethal used to say to his charges pre game against us.
I was angry we got raped by the Dees but in hindsight its not all that bad. Glorified wins just hide the fact how far we still have left.
They have a better list, but more importantly much much better ruck and defence.
Our culture is improving dont believe any different. Tigers of old would've crumbled and lost by 60 plus points. Our bottom 6 are VFL standard and thats our achilles heal.
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as well as Dimma is going we have an ingrained loser culture that is going to be monumentally hard to change
lol.....You have honestly lost the plot if you believe this ??? ??? We have had a looser culture for the last 20 year's Hardwick has been there for 18 month's of that time and the Cancer had been running wild long before he came along!
You can't 100% blame Hardwick for our culture, we have taken giant steps since he has been at the helm but there is still plenty of cancer that needs to be cut out and I think today it was really exposed so lets see at seasons end if it is finally dealt with or not.....
yeah that's what I'm saying, Dimma is the cause of a 30 year embedded loser culture ::)
lol, My bad Tony,I just read the post properly and noticed the part "we HAVE an ingrained loser culture" Sorry mateI completely miss read what you wefre saying.... :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
lol all good mate, happens to all of us ;D
and Tuckerbag, love your post, although I'm still seething bc i hate losing to shallow downhill skiiing teaqms like melbourne that set themselves against us bc they dont respect us deep down.
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Agree with most of what others have said.
Its hard to stomach, but Melbourne have a very talented list across the park. I think we are comparable to them in the midfield and forward line, in terms of talent and potential. However, they have a backline and two good ruckman - quite frankly, we dont.
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE
I am one to get ahead of myself, but we are still a work in progress. I agree that it is time to start trying/developing players in different positions, starting with Post to center half forward.
Give Gourdis some time to adjust. He is athletic and talll. Worth persisting with.
Vickery is becoming a very good player as is Rance. Here, we have filled two massive holes on our list. Unfortunately, there are more holes to fill. Think about where this team was at the start of last year. Effing hopeless and very short on talent. IT IS COMING TOGETHER. There's just a little way to go yet.
keep supporting the boys, because this team will come good and its gonna be effing sweet. :thumbsup
Oh and Melbourne fans (particularly the c-bombs in the MCC) are the effing pitts. I had to restrain myself from going postal on this one knob who would not stop giving Jack poo the whole game, I want to bury his face in the snow at Mt. Buller and urinate on his French Poodle.
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l agree Tuckerbag, The player who has gone back to some old sloppy habits & not doing the team stuff should be put in the subs vest & made to watch the game.
forgot to add, McDonald has done nothing to even get a sniff at a senior game this year. Players need to be rewarded for playing good footy & not what they might do.
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Carlton and Essendon next couple then GC17 in Cairns. Seaon is over need to develop a few kids.
Could've quoted the whole post to be honest but seriously you have absolutely no idea at all do you ? Fairdinkum , if you're gonna post about AFL football at least get a single clue about the game first
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Carlton and Essendon next couple then GC17 in Cairns. Seaon is over need to develop a few kids.
Could've quoted the whole post to be honest but seriously you have absolutely no idea at all do you ? Fairdinkum , if you're gonna post about AFL football at least get a single clue about the game first
None whatsoever I just scratch my nuts on the train going to the game at the game and on the train home from the game. You are obviously the guru. :thumbsup
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hopefully you dont have sharp nails and it aint a long ride
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hopefully you dont have sharp nails and it aint a long ride
Nail biter Jack. Have been since I was a kid. :thumbsup
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hopefully you dont have sharp nails and it aint a long ride
Nail biter Jack. Have been since I was a kid. :thumbsup
Totally agree with your assessment of Jack Riewoldt.
Its seems it all about Jack .
Am sick of him taking the group to the goal square punt road end before the start of the game, too gimicky for my liking.
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His body language is off and has been for a month. Enough of the advertised pranks and get down to getting your mind right and play some footy we know you are capable off. Stop making excuses for yourself and being petulent. Play footy and get back to basics. The speccys and all the big goals will come when he is doing the basics right. When he will take a speccy it will be when he goes for it the first time rather than going for 20 and taking only one.
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First point we were stuffed at the tribunal in contesting King's charge.
Absolute rubbish ! we had nothing to lose contesting that charge
Melb's 1st two goals to Green were from Nahas and McGuane errors.
Got them back into the game and we never recovered.
LMAO.... ? that was the first qtr mate ? We had 3 more qtrs to rectify that
It's almost as if everyone wants us to get to these games only for us to fall away and lose and go back to oblivion.
Whaaat ? WTF ?
As for our bottom 6-8 plyaers. They have no skills and no impact and are well well short at this level in any AFL side let alone ours. We know who they are.
Oh my... this hole you're digging just keeps gettin deeper doesn't it :whistle
Even our descent players struggled yesterday. Which means with our lack of depth we have very few capable to step up to help ease pressure and then help those struggling come into the game.
What ? Oh yeh our descent players are descending lol
A stint in the twos just to show who is boss may be the tonic. Has been terrible four weeks in a row now since Dreamtime.
Did you just say drop Jack ? :lol Oh man.... you are brilliant !
Start playing McDonald and give Derickx a go
hahaha ! Derickxxx is injured and McDonald played Coburg seconds last week and didn't get a stuffing kick !! LMFAO.
Next time I a write a book about idiots you will fill up the first chapter
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wowsers
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Going to get popcorn, brb
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1. The argument they presented was laughable based on the evidence that contact was negligent rather than no video evidence of the incident. You were right we had nothing to lose but we presented a wrong argument.
2. We had 3 quarters to recover but fell deeper into the mire and were lucky to lose by 27 points. Did we recover from that, no. Melb kicked 7 of the last 8 goals of the first quarter and we were second best after that also. Nice try
3. It is well known there is a quite an anti Richmond sentiment within the print radio and TV media as well as a stigma from opposition teams and fans. Another lost opportunity another failure. Build you up only to knowck you down. Gary Lyon was blowing our trumpet all week.
4.Would you like me to name the bottom 8. Miller Farmer Grigg McGuane Hislop Browne Jackson and Nahas cost a few goals also. Real skillful, decision making at critical times is appauling ,cost goals and momentum, turnovers. The hole your digging is quite deep, hope you can get yourself out. Perhaps a slice of humble pie and a piece of reality just in case you can't get out and you get hungry. :whistle
5. Spelling errors oh our decent players. Wow did you crack a stiff when you saw that. Since when did spelling have anything to do with football. Lets push on shall we ::)
6. He has been playing well hasn't he. His uncompetitiveness has been great. Body language has been great and has kicked 7 goals in 4 games. Possibly need to change his attitude atm. Blind Freddie can see that. Obviously you can't but hey no wonder your name is black that's all you see black. Maybe you should change your name to Blind.
7. Play the kids none the less. Miller aint the answer and we aren't making finals. It's 2013 by the earliest and that's if we pick up some good kids in this years and next years draft that are based on our immediate needs.
If that strikes a raw nerve with you that 2011 should now be about development rather than finals then tough titties Block Black Blunt Bland or whatever your name is.
When you write a book about idiots and you find a publisher who wants to go ahead with it PM me and I'll sign it for you but until then learn about reality and the capabilities of some of our lesser footballers who are not quite up to scratch and then yap on about your so called footy nous. Oh and learn how to write. I find your style simplistic boring and oh so repetitive. Until your next banal reply.
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1. The argument they presented was laughable based on the evidence that cintact was negligent rather than no video evidence of the incident. You were right we had nothing to lose but we presented a wrong argument.
2. We had 3 quarters to recover but fell deeper into the mire and were lucky to lose by 27 points. DId we recover from that no. Melb kicked 7 of the last 8 goals of the quarter and we were second best after that.
Nice try.
3. It is well known there is a quite an anti Richmond sentiment within the print radio and TV media as well as a stigma from opposition teams and fans. Another lost opportunity another failure. Build you up only to knowck you down. Gary Lyon was blowing our trumpet all week.
4.Would you like me to name the bottom 8. Miller Farmer Grigg McGuane Hislop Browne Jackson and Nahas cost a few goals also. Real skillful, decision making at critical times appauling cost goals momentum turnovers. The hole your digging is quite deep hope you can get yourself out. Perhaps a slice of humble pie and a piece of reality just in case you can't get out and you get hungry and can't get out. :whistle
5. Spelling errors oh our decent players. Wow did you crack a stiff when you saw that moron. Since when did spelling have anything to do with football. Lets push on shall we ::)
6. He has been playing well hasn't he. His uncompetitiveness has been great. Body language has been great and has kicked 7 goals in 4 games. Possibly need to change his attitude atm. Blind Freddie can see that. Obviously you can't but hey no wonder your name is black that's all you see black. Maybe you should change your name to Blind.
7. Play the kids none the less. Miller aint the answer and we aren't making finals.
If that strikes a raw nerve with you that 2011 should now be about development rather than finals then tough titties Block Black Blunt Blunt or whatever your name is.
When you write a book about idiots and you find a publisher who wants to go ahead with it PM me and I'll sign it for you but until then learn about reality and the capabilities of some of our lesser footballers who are not quite up to scratch and then yap on about your so called footy nous. Oh and learn how to write. I find your style simplistic boring and oh so repetitive. Until your next banal reply.
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Some people are in denial Tucker. I thought there was nothing bitter about your post just hard facts
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McGone can't kick, Miller is useless and Herslop is an oxygen thief
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
Herslop. :thatsgold
I'll be using this name from now on.
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classical :thumbsup
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See you can be funny without resorting to puerile juvenile smut.
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wtf did you get that footage of me?
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See you can be funny without resorting to puerile juvenile smut.
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agree :cheers
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First point we were stuffed at the tribunal in contesting King's charge.
Absolute rubbish ! we had nothing to lose contesting that charge
Melb's 1st two goals to Green were from Nahas and McGuane errors.
Got them back into the game and we never recovered.
LMAO.... ? that was the first qtr mate ? We had 3 more qtrs to rectify that
It's almost as if everyone wants us to get to these games only for us to fall away and lose and go back to oblivion.
Whaaat ? WTF ?
As for our bottom 6-8 plyaers. They have no skills and no impact and are well well short at this level in any AFL side let alone ours. We know who they are.
Oh my... this hole you're digging just keeps gettin deeper doesn't it :whistle
Even our descent players struggled yesterday. Which means with our lack of depth we have very few capable to step up to help ease pressure and then help those struggling come into the game.
What ? Oh yeh our descent players are descending lol
A stint in the twos just to show who is boss may be the tonic. Has been terrible four weeks in a row now since Dreamtime.
Did you just say drop Jack ? :lol Oh man.... you are brilliant !
Start playing McDonald and give Derickx a go
hahaha ! Derickxxx is injured and McDonald played Coburg seconds last week and didn't get a stuffing kick !! LMFAO.
Next time I a write a book about idiots you will fill up the first chapter
Hey Blackie everyone in here reckons your talking crap man and they would be correct ;D
Edit: edited quote
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You dont speak for me on this.
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You dont speak for me on this.
Sorry dooks.
99% Of people reckon Blackie is talking crap. Dooks and afew others are not in this 99% lol ;D
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Nah black talks crap all the time lol
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Black is talking crap because he doesn't agree with dropping the Coleman medalist? Because he doesn't agree with giving a bloke who is battling in the 3rds a game? Because he doesnt think Derickx should play since he is injured (and has been poo apart from NAB Cup)? And also because he doesn't agree with this "It's almost as if everyone wants us to get to these games only for us to fall away and lose and go back to oblivion."?
Yeah, I don't think he's talking crap. Look in the mirror, dudes. This poo happens every time we lose.
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"Highlights" from the Demons game ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/367217/richmond-v-melbourne-highlights/
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"Highlights" from the Demons game ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/367217/richmond-v-melbourne-highlights/
No thanks. :rollin
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Snip!
Leave out the insults and stick to the topic ppl!
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Snip!
Leave out the insults and stick to the topic ppl!
Nothing I hate more than missing the pre-snip posts. :banghead
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Snip!
Leave out the insults and stick to the topic ppl!
Nothing I hate more than missing the pre-snip posts. :banghead
Yeh funny bout that. I had a go at someone for calling me a moron and I get snipped ? I notice the ' moron ' gibe still stands ? Double standards.... Effin joke !
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Yeah that's harsh you moron.
Relton Roberts. :whistle
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Just call him moron back.
Oh yeah, and RELTON ROBERTS
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Snip!
Leave out the insults and stick to the topic ppl!
Nothing I hate more than missing the pre-snip posts. :banghead
Yeh funny bout that. I had a go at someone for calling me a moron and I get snipped ? I notice the ' moron ' gibe still stands ? Double standards.... Effin joke !
Never called you a moron you called me a idiot after I called you a guru. You took it personally I really couldn't care.
You obviously are in denial Blackie. Obviously your book is an autobiography. Here's your title. Idiot in Denial.
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Nothing I hate more than missing the pre-snip posts. :banghead
That's because you're a purile, juvenile, smutty moron
Nice ass though mate :-*
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Here's your title. Idiot in Denial
Now that is funny ! :thumbsup
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Glad you liked it Black. I thought it was so you. :thumbsup
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That's because you're a purile, juvenile, smutty moron
Nice ass though mate :-*
You know it.
On both counts.
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Idiot in Denial.
Thinkin of going with this as the front cover Tucky...... Might call it 'Two idiots in da Nile '
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Anyone up for some high brow smut?
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Idiot in Denial.
Thinkin of going with this as the front cover Tucky...... Might call it 'Two idiots in da Nile '
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:clapping
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Please stop using this as a PM service >:(
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Please stop using this as a PM service >:(
No.... it's fun :rollin
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Snip!
Leave out the insults and stick to the topic ppl!
Nothing I hate more than missing the pre-snip posts. :banghead
:lol
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See you can be funny without resorting to puerile juvenile smut.
:thumbsup
That seriously looks phallic. Grow up.
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See you can be funny without resorting to puerile juvenile smut.
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That seriously looks phallic. Grow up.
Lighten up Tiger Adam ;D
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It's sensually hypnotic, don't you think?
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It's sensually hypnotic, don't you think?
:lol
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Idiot in Denial.
Thinkin of going with this as the front cover Tucky...... Might call it 'Two idiots in da Nile '
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Looks more like St.Kilda or Port Melbourne foreshore. :thumbsup
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...anyways, we lost on the weekend so best to put it behind us now.
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have just read this thread and have to say theres some damn funny stuff in there.
oh and tuckerbox a very good honest realistic summation maybe a tad on the optimistic side but still very good.
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Cotch and Browny review the Melbourne loss...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/367547/roar-review-round-14/
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Coaches' votes (Hardwick and Bailey)
Richmond v Melbourne
10 Brent Moloney (Melb)
6 James Frawley (Melb)
5 Jordie McKenzie (Melb)
3 Brett Deledio (Rich)
3 Colin Garland (Melb)
3 Jack Watts (Melb)
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Coaches' votes (Hardwick and Bailey)
Richmond v Melbourne
10 Brent Moloney (Melb)
6 James Frawley (Melb)
5 Jordie McKenzie (Melb)
3 Brett Deledio (Rich)
3 Colin Garland (Melb)
3 Jack Watts (Melb)
Reckon the coach's votes are a bit contrived. They always seem to be in synch ?
Frawley , McKenzie and Garland all did a job and all rated higher by both coaches than the media scribes ?
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Coaches' votes (Hardwick and Bailey)
Richmond v Melbourne
10 Brent Moloney (Melb)
6 James Frawley (Melb)
5 Jordie McKenzie (Melb)
3 Brett Deledio (Rich)
3 Colin Garland (Melb)
3 Jack Watts (Melb)
Reckon the coach's votes are a bit contrived. They always seem to be in synch ?
Frawley , McKenzie and Garland all did a job and all rated higher by both coaches than the media scribes ?
Surprised Jones didn't get a vote either - thought he was very good
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Thing that peees me off is Melbourne who are soft had blokes like Jones and Moloney who are good in and under players who made our blokes look second rate and feel soft. Princesses like Green and Watts were made to look like superstars and we looked just so short of resources.
Yep Tucky the Dees made us look like we were the ones who specialised in "bruise free footy" :P.
Huge disappointments in the back half of the ground when being put under pressure.
Decision making where a kick was the option instead we handballed to players covered who were stationary time and time again.
A sign of a player(s) who doesn't trust his footskills under pressure so he handballs instead. It's also a sign of a stagnant team further upfield not working hard enough to create space and an 'out' to escape out of the press. I couldn't see our key backs with their footskills short passing their way 20m at a time to bypass the press as say Hawthorn do while maintaining possession.