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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WilliamPowell on July 03, 2011, 09:38:25 AM
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This is the ONLY comment(s) I am going to make about yesterday.
I have been following this Club for nearly 40 years. I've been a member for 30 years
I have seen "highs" and I've seen so shocking "lows". I have seen some 100+ point thrashing
But Saturday 2nd July 2011 was for the WORST loss I have ever witnessed in my life.
It was the most PATHETIC, INSIPID, USELESS, SPINELESS, GUTLESS performace I seen in my life. But above all else in light of what the day was supposed to be about it was DISHONEST.
I am not going to sit here and bag individual players even though so many deserve it because simply it serves no purpose. Yesterday showed which of the long termers on the list need to be moved on and those relativley new to list, well just how far off some of them are to being consistent AFL players
I am gutted after yesterday and not just because of the result. I am also gutted because I saw people I've sat with for just on 20 years walk out of a game before it was finished for the first time ever. If only someone form the Cub was sitting with me to witness it - gut wrenching doesn't even seem to come close to how I felt.
Yesterday was supposed to be about getting people to put into the FTF. After yesterday our team have completely obliterated the FTF. I feel like ringing then up Monday morning and asking for my money back. I gave for a reason and it wasn't to witness crap like yesterday. First thing the players can do is give their match payments yesterday straight to the FTF to try and make up the $$$ THEY lost the club yesterday
As I was driving home I thought about how much I've given the CLub this year (m'ship, merch, FTF) and I just thought to myself, WHY do I do it, it's alot of $$$, why do I give them anything, when they refuse respect me and every other person who constantly gives year after year after year. Then I thought about the people who'd had joined this year for the first time - how must they be feeling
yesterday wasn't just about the FTF, god knows what damage it has done to the membership base for 2012 - how many do you reckon jump off now? Me I think it will be close to 8-10K
I now find myself totally disillusioned with our Club in a away that I havent for a very long long time.
I actaully thought were improving but after yesterday I don't know... for all the small steps forward we went back to square one yesterday. The RFC have 9 rounds or whatever it is to attempt to get my respect back.
So here's a tip RFC - I don't want to see players this week on media street. Only people I want to hear from the club this week are the Coach & CEO and only if absolutely necessary the Captain
I don't want apologies I want you to show me something, show me that this CLub means something to you, that you respect it like we as members & supporters respect it. That the jumper that you wear means something
Actions speak louder than words. SO next Saturday night the result isn't important the effort is.
I want to see players chasing, tackles that stick, fierce attacks on the footy and the oppostion when they have the ball, win the contested ball or at least create situations that make it a contest..do that and you earn perhaps an ounce of respect back
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Good Post
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great post WP.
Watched most of the game live in Fiji.
Was a total disgrace
The club seems like its going down the same path as Wallaces 2nd year, re the 100 point floggings at the lack of HEART :banghead
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I feel sad and sorry for;
-The volunteers who put in countless hours for the club on campaigns such as the FTF
-The kids I saw in their little tiger jumpers yesterday
-Despite their oligarchical structure, I feel for the Richmond Cheer squad
-Workers on award wages who have contributed over and above what they can probably afford for the FTF
-Other volunteers such as the mods on this site and the other Tiger chat rooms
These people are the very fabric of the club. They must wonder why they bother and I feel your pain WP.
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First thing the players can do is give their match payments yesterday straight to the FTF to try and make up the $$$ THEY lost the club yesterday
If this does not happen, then those players have lost me.
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Well said, what can I add but gutted and thought (Hoped) those performances were in the past. God help us. >:(
Actions speak louder than words RFC. SHOW ME
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This is the ONLY comment(s) I am going to make about yesterday.
I have been following this Club for nearly 40 years. I've been a member for 30 years
I have seen "highs" and I've seen so shocking "lows". I have seen some 100+ point thrashing
But Saturday 2nd July 2011 was for the WORST loss I have ever witnessed in my life.
It was the most PATHETIC, INSIPID, USELESS, SPINELESS, GUTLESS performace I seen in my life. But above all else in light of what the day was supposed to be about it was DISHONEST.
I am not going to sit here and bag individual players even though so many deserve it because simply it serves no purpose. Yesterday showed which of the long termers on the list need to be moved on and those relativley new to list, well just how far off to being consistent AFL players
I am gutted after yesterday and not just because of the result. I am also gutted because I saw people I've sat with for just on 20 years walk out of a game before it was finished for the first time ever. If only someone form the Cub was sitting with me to witness it - gut wrenching doesn't even seem to come close to how I felt.
Yesterday was supposed to be about getting people to put into the FTF. After yesterday our team have completely obliterated the FTF. I feel like ringing then up Monday morning and asking for my money back. I gave for a reason and it wasn't to witness crap like yesterday. First thing the players can do is give their match payments yesterday straight to the FTF to try and make up the $$$ THEY lost the club yesterday
As I was driving home I thought about how much I've given the CLub this year (m'ship, merch, FTF) and I just thought to myself, WHY do I do it, it's alot of $$$, why do I give them anything, when they refuse respect me and every other person who constantly gives year after year after year. Then I thought about the people who'd had joined this year for the first - how must they be feeling
yesterday wasn't just about the FTF, god knows what damage it has done to the membership base for 2012 - how many do you reckon jump off now? Me I think it will be close to 8-10K
I now find myself totally disillusioned with our Club in a away that I havent for a very long long time.
I actaully thought we ere improving but after yesterday I don't know... for all the small steps forward we went back to square one yesterday. The RFC have 9 rounds or whatever it is to attempt to get my respect back.
So here's a tip RFC - I don't want to see players this week on media street. Only people I want to hear from the club this week are the Coach & CEO and only if absolutely necessary the Captain
I don't want apologies I want you to show me something, show me that this CLub means something to you, that you respect it like we as members & supporters respect it. That the jumper that you wear means something
Actions speak louder than words. SO next Saturday night the result isn't important the effort is.
I want to see players chasing, tackles that stick, fierce attacks on the footy and the oppostion when they have the ball, win the contested ball or at least create situations that make it a contest..do that and you earn perhaps an ounce of respect back
I know how you feel WP.
The same thing happened to me about 10 years ago. I was gutted and decided NEVER go to a game expecting a WIN again. I goto the games just because I enjoy footy and I still love the club but Im void of any excitement or enthusiasm. Quite sad if you think about it.
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WP I feel exactly the same way.
Chin up we'll be there this week against the Bombers.
I feel cheated after yesterday and like you I didn't individually name any players just thought the club as whole let down all the fans who donated to the FTF went there as the 19th man and put their time and money every week every year to support this footy club.
I am more annoyed today than I was yesterday at the game.
Yep, Dishonest, Disgraceful, Disgusting, Debilitating, Disillusioned. :help
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So here's a tip RFC - I don't want to see players this week on media street. Only people I want to hear from the club this week are the Coach & CEO and only if absolutely necessary the Captain
I don't want apologies I want you to show me something, show me that this CLub means something to you, that you respect it like we as members & supporters respect it. That the jumper that you wear means something
Actions speak louder than words. SO next Saturday night the result isn't important the effort is.
I want to see players chasing, tackles that stick, fierce attacks on the footy and the oppostion when they have the ball, win the contested ball or at least create situations that make it a contest..do that and you earn perhaps an ounce of respect back
Well said :clapping
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Even Brackets couldn't be bothered to post his anger.
I think he is over it.
I put on 30 mins of the heaviest metal I could find to drill the anger out of me.
Our supporters don't deserve this.
The BS used car salesman talk.
"CMON HELP Richmond and become the 19th MAN"
HOW ABOUT THE PLAYERS RETURN THE FAVOUR?
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THERE are too many people at Richmond on big salaries from PLAYERS, ADMINISTRATORS and STAFF who DO NOT RESPECT THE SUPPORTERS!
I wrote this yesterday, Richmond supporters are probably people on $40 to $60k a year trying to look after their families, pay mortgages, pay increasing utilities and rising costs of living, they give to RFC because they love the club but the club treats the members and supporters like drop kicks.
The club spends more time devoting itself to rubbish PR like the 19th MAN bulldust.
Personally, I would get rid of most of the staff in that joint. They havent got a stuffen clue and thats the facts of it all. They havent got a stuffen clue!
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WP, Round 1 2009 was the darkest day since the late 80's/early 90's.
I actually believed the rhetoric and felt we were building something real at the end of 2008.
After Round 1, I swore the clubs success would be something I would reflect on - rather than look forward to.
Having this attitude makes days like yesterday tough but I don't expect much and I end up getting what I expect or a bit less.
I'm still annoyed but I don't have to stew on it for days like I used to and the family is affected.
While I can "bin it" - the club cannot.
"Binning it" will not fix the the ingrained culture of choking at the club..
"Binning it" is to stick ones head in the sand.
By "Binning it" I think Dimmo doesn't want to face the facts as to where the team and the club are at.
The problem goes way beyond list management and player development.
Teams like Geelong can "bin" a loss, Richmond cannot.
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THERE are too many people at Richmond on big salaries from PLAYERS, ADMINISTRATORS and STAFF who DO NOT RESPECT THE SUPPORTERS!
I wrote this yesterday, Richmond supporters are probably people on $40 to $60k a year trying to look after their families, pay mortgages, pay increasing utilities and rising costs of living, they give to RFC because they love the club but the club treats the members and supporters like drop kicks.
The club spends more time devoting itself to rubbish PR like the 19th MAN bulldust.
Personally, I would get rid of most of the staff in that joint. They havent got a effen clue and thats the facts of it all. They havent got a effen clue!
well said, you all know my thoughts , havent changed in past 5 years
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I feel sad and sorry for;
-The volunteers who put in countless hours for the club on campaigns such as the FTF
-The kids I saw in their little tiger jumpers yesterday
-Despite their oligarchical structure, I feel for the Richmond Cheer squad
-Workers on award wages who have contributed over and above what they can probably afford for the FTF
-Other volunteers such as the mods on this site and the other Tiger chat rooms
These people are the very fabric of the club. They must wonder why they bother and I feel your pain WP.
and the players want more money
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This thread pretty much sums up where the club is at and where its supporters are at.
To put in an effort like that on a massive day for the clubs supporters - who have ONCE AGAIN gone beyond the call of duty and given more on top of giving giving stuffing GIVING year in year out when deep down we know the club will just pee it away - is just about as low as it gets.
and reading that BS article on sick of waiting for finals on the morning of the game is just more laughable PR BS that has backfired.
I'm over this club
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what happens after acceptance lol
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what happens after acceptance lol
We get beaten by Carlton by over 100 points again.......Vicious Circle!
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what happens after acceptance lol
I think it's Richmond vs Essendon
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THERE are too many people at Richmond on big salaries from PLAYERS, ADMINISTRATORS and STAFF who DO NOT RESPECT THE SUPPORTERS!
I wrote this yesterday, Richmond supporters are probably people on $40 to $60k a year trying to look after their families, pay mortgages, pay increasing utilities and rising costs of living, they give to RFC because they love the club but the club treats the members and supporters like drop kicks.
The club spends more time devoting itself to rubbish PR like the 19th MAN bulldust.
Personally, I would get rid of most of the staff in that joint. They havent got a effen clue and thats the facts of it all. They havent got a effen clue!
well said, you all know my thoughts , havent changed in past 5 years
5 years? whats changed in 30 years?
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what happens after acceptance lol
Apathy
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great post WP.
Watched most of the game live in Fiji.
Was a total disgrace
The club seems like its going down the same path as Wallaces 2nd year, re the 100 point floggings at the lack of HEART :banghead
I would not have watched most of the game if i were in Fiji! Ruin the holidays that would!
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Yep yesterday was pathetic and mentally weak (moreso than physically) but it wasn't that surprising. I was expecting at least a 10 goal loss against a top 4 side. I can think of worse losses so that's saying something. Losing to North by 141 point on a Friday night in 1990, the Geelong loss by 167 or whatever it was, the Bulldogs loss in round 1 2006 by 20 goals, and the loss to Adelaide by 137 in Walls' last game were worse. That last one at the top of the list given we weren't a young side, had just lost to Essendon by over 100 points and we had beaten the Crows earlier that season.
But above all else in light of what the day was supposed to be about it was DISHONEST.
I could argue dishonesty off-field leads to dishonesty on-field. Also throw in the word deluded given comments both publicly and even privately :help by senior club officials including many by those still in charge at the Club :scream.
* Gary March yesterday publicly promising a flag under his reign.
* The Club blaming lack of money for our lack of success. Okay you can justifiy needing resources and money to achieve the ultimate success of a premiership these days so the FTF is important from that point of view. However, we've struggled to even make the finals in a competition where half the teams do each year and where poor club like North, Dogs and Melbourne have played finals on a semi-regular basis over the past 10 years. Sorry it's a cop out to blame lack of money for our lack of finals when the main reason is compounding incompetence - a failure to make smart long-term decisions many of which required no money to make.
* The Club publicly expecting 3 finals appearances by 2014 (3-0-75 plan). Just a total lack of comprehension of where our list is at and its capabilities.
* The Club publicly aiming for 3 flags by 2020. Ummm let's first try to put a team on the park that can have a semblance of being competitive with top sides and reach the finals before talking about even one flag let alone three.
* The numerous times over the years we've had club officials come out publicly in the media before a big game saying we want "respect" and then seeing us get embarrassingly flogged :P.
* The Club saying we don't need priority picks ::) which are a bonus and accelerate list rebuilding. Nah we stupidly win meaningless games against other bottom sides late in the season so we can tell ourselves we ain't really that bad even though we've won just 10 games out of 55 if you just look at the first 11 rounds of each of the past 5 years.
* We've cost ourselves a whole draft's worth of picks since Craig Cameron joined us in 2008 - missing out on two priority picks (4 and 19) for the sake of 3 extra meaningless late season wins over 2009-10 plus throwing away mid-range picks in 2008 on duds like Adam Thomson and Hislop just months after taking over from Greg Miller who got sacked for dumb recycle recruiting (ie. McMahon). Compare this to smart clubs like the Eagles who just 4 years after winning a flag knowing they had a young inferior list incapable of playing finals tanked last year to maximise their draft selections and gain an extra (priority) pick which got them Jack Darling. It doesn't always take money to make smart list management decisions; only smart people who understand how the AFL draft system works.
* A senior club official in 2009 about 4 weeks after the round 1 Carlton debacle telling me at training at Vic Park that we have the best crop of youngsters in the AFL. Remember this was well before the November 2009 (Martin, Griffs, Astbury,...) and 2010 (Conca, Batchelor, Houli) drafts. Seriously how deluded can you get!
The coach and players will cop the blame from supporters for yesterday and fair enough too but those in higher positions connected to the board and footy dept. should be held accountable as well for being deluded and dishonest in their comments and decisions about where our list and team is at which raises expectations well above the capabilities of our current list. As others have said in this thread actions speak louder than words. As many of us on OER have said over the years the Club needs to just shut up with the PR crap!
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I feel sad and sorry for;
-The volunteers who put in countless hours for the club on campaigns such as the FTF
-The kids I saw in their little tiger jumpers yesterday
-Despite their oligarchical structure, I feel for the Richmond Cheer squad
-Workers on award wages who have contributed over and above what they can probably afford for the FTF
-Other volunteers such as the mods on this site and the other Tiger chat rooms
These people are the very fabric of the club. They must wonder why they bother and I feel your pain WP.
and the players want more money
Players can get stuffed.
Wont be attending another game for the rest of the year. Would rather follow my supercoach side.
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Great post WP. I was very fortunate (again) in not seeing the game (working this time) so I have been spared the last 2 weeks of embarrassment and anger but I understand by the responses of the forum members what it must have been like. So disappointing for so many reasons.
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I'm over this club
Well eff off then and go follow the soccer.
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That's your solution is it. I am sure TM is entitled to his opinion and it has validaity.
Why do all these prima donna supporters I've been following RFC for 50 yrs and I've been through the bad times yada yada yada and if you are sick of it tell everyone else to leave. Good for you mate. If you accept things as they are good but there are many here who don't. The criticism directed at the club after yesterday is warranted and deserving. Fans must be allowed to vent after that. After the week the club put on building up this occasion and the on feld performance the club should honestly put every members name on the jumper let alone those who gave to the FTF.
For effs sake,look out for the wrath of a few to fall down on those who vilify the club after an effort like that sheesh. I'm with you Tony_Montana.
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I'm over this club
Well eff off then and go follow the soccer.
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That's your solution is it. I am sure TM is entitled to his opinion and it has validaity.
WHy do all these prima donna supporters I've been following RFC for 50 yrs and I've been through the bad times yada yada yada
I have been a supporter for 33 years, I'v ONLY seen the bad times :help :help
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I'm over this club
Well eff off then and go follow the soccer.
:wallywink
That's your solution is it. I am sure TM is entitled to his opinion and it has validaity.
WHy do all these prima donna supporters I've been following RFC for 50 yrs and I've been through the bad times yada yada yada
I have been a supporter for 33 years, I'v ONLY seen the bad times :help :help
You poor bastard
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I'm over this club
Well eff off then and go follow the soccer.
:wallywink
That's your solution is it. I am sure TM is entitled to his opinion and it has validaity.
WHy do all these prima donna supporters I've been following RFC for 50 yrs and I've been through the bad times yada yada yada
I have been a supporter for 33 years, I'v ONLY seen the bad times :help :help
I 'm 36 was 5 when we won a flag when I was in grade prep and am still waiting. If you waited 32 years for a root you'd be frustrated like hell. Had enough of the club saying we need this and that what about the members. Enough of these effin surveys and messages from Dimma Benny the bootstudder phone calls with pre recorded messages to my mobile Cotchins jock strap from round 3 framed and signed with his sperm. Only 200 available.
How about some effort committment application honesty and respect for the fans RFC.
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27 years old.
Seen 2 finals series.
Only ever seen 2 final wins, Vs Essendon in 95 and Carlton in 01.
What a joke.
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27 years old.
Seen 2 finals series.
Only ever seen 2 final wins, Vs Essendon in 95 and Carlton in 01.
What a joke.
Look on the bright side Pope...
You missed or were too young for the first decade of woe from 1983-93.
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I'm over this club
Well eff off then and go follow the soccer.
:wallywink
That's your solution is it. I am sure TM is entitled to his opinion and it has validaity.
WHy do all these prima donna supporters I've been following RFC for 50 yrs and I've been through the bad times yada yada yada
I have been a supporter for 33 years, I'v ONLY seen the bad times :help :help
:) Trust me, the good times are worth it. And will be much more so after this current stretch. :gotigers
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27 years old.
Seen 2 finals series.
Only ever seen 2 final wins, Vs Essendon in 95 and Carlton in 01.
What a joke.
38 years old.
Seen 2 flags if you count the one where i was only 5 months old! Can remember 80' just thanks to the grand final marathons!
Not sold on the idea that i will see another flag!
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I love the footy club like most here but I am not sold that the footy club will get to a GF let alone win a flag.
I think the path Dimma has us on is the right path but after efforts like yesterdays I look at the culture of the club and I think no way.
What pees me off is all the hard work and credibility we earned in the first half of the year has all been erased.
I can handle the team losing but not when they don't have a crack.
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I love the footy club like most here but I am not sold that the footy club will get to a GF let alone win a flag.
I think the path Dimma has us on is the right path but after efforts like yesterdays I look at the culture of the club and I think no way.
What pees me off is all the hard work and credibility we earned in the first half of the year has all been erased.
I can handle the team losing but not when they don't have a crack.
Understandable! We could just turn out to be like the Western Bulldogs! Both have been coached by the same man, both have been/ are broke!
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I was there at the '82 GF as a kid and that Carlton theme song still makes me what to grab a bucket :chuck.
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I was there at the '82 GF as a kid and that Carlton theme song still makes me what to grab a bucket :chuck.
My sister and my cousins are all Carlton fans and I still have yet to live it down. That game has remained ingrained on my concience forever. I have never forgiven the Scum Footy Club since and I made a decision to forever hate that footy club that day and I stand by it.
If my team is destined to get beaten by 100+ I am compelled to say anyone but Carlton Collingwood and Essendon. We should be the most competitive against them.
For me losses like yesterday hurt twice as much because of the opponent.
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27 years old.
Seen 2 finals series.
Only ever seen 2 final wins, Vs Essendon in 95 and Carlton in 01.
What a joke.
So you are the jinx Popelord. ;)
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I'm 50 years old.
I started following the Tigers as a 10 year old in '71, when I first moved to Melbourne. Royce Hart was my hero.I guess I was lucky enough to see the back to back flags in '73-'74. I was 19 when we won again in 1980. I remember after we flogged Collingwood so easily that year, commentators predicting that we would be the team of the decade. Like a lot of Tiger fans at the time, I guess I thought our glory days would just go on and on forever. Nobody could have known how completely and utterly it would all fall apart.
1982 was a bitter pill to swallow, and it still haunts me. I think a lot of Tiger fans of a similar vintage can understand these sentiments. The last 30 years have been nothing short of a NIGHTMARE. For our once great club to have been reduced to this kind of laughing stock is hard to bear. Everybody has enjoyed kicking us while we've been down for S-O-O long, yet even worse in some ways is the pity that a few of the kinder individuals out there feel for us.
What was so devastating about the last two weeks is that recently we were starting to believe that the Tigers were finally on the right track. The Melbourne loss was another example of Richmond letting a golden opportunity go begging when a spot in the 8 was there for the taking. Just like they have done so many times in similar situations over the last 20 years. The Carlton debacle was even more gut-wrenching, because to serve up that garbage on a day when the club was asking so much of its "19th man", who duly responded, showed nothing short of contempt for the jumper, and all the names printed on the sash.
I honestly believe our problems run far deeper than the lack of a few key playing personnel. What will be harder for any well-meaning administration and coach to eradicate, is the acceptance of mediocrity and failure which now appears to be deeply ingrained in our club culture.
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lol.....I think we need to change the name of this thread to "Tigers Anonymous" :lol :lol
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LOL yeah not a bad idea TFT! I am a Tigerholic!
grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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lol.....I think we need to change the name of this thread to "Tigers Anonymous" :lol :lol
Ahh! If only it took 12 steps.....
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........the acceptance of mediocrity and failure which now appears to be deeply ingrained in our club culture.
But the players and coaches haven't been around long enough to be part of your so called club culture.
I'm glad you don't have any part in the manufacture of jet engines RR.
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I feel sad and sorry for;
-The volunteers who put in countless hours for the club on campaigns such as the FTF
-The kids I saw in their little tiger jumpers yesterday
-Despite their oligarchical structure, I feel for the Richmond Cheer squad
-Workers on award wages who have contributed over and above what they can probably afford for the FTF
-Other volunteers such as the mods on this site and the other Tiger chat rooms
These people are the very fabric of the club. They must wonder why they bother and I feel your pain WP.
and the players want more money
Players can get stuffed.
Wont be attending another game for the rest of the year. Would rather follow my supercoach side.
Same, I wont be going to another game this year, they've got my money anyway, and we all found out the 19th man doesnt work >:(
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I feel sad and sorry for;
-The volunteers who put in countless hours for the club on campaigns such as the FTF
-The kids I saw in their little tiger jumpers yesterday
-Despite their oligarchical structure, I feel for the Richmond Cheer squad
-Workers on award wages who have contributed over and above what they can probably afford for the FTF
-Other volunteers such as the mods on this site and the other Tiger chat rooms
These people are the very fabric of the club. They must wonder why they bother and I feel your pain WP.
and the players want more money
Players can get stuffed.
Wont be attending another game for the rest of the year. Would rather follow my supercoach side.
Same, I wont be going to another game this year, they've got my money anyway, and we all found out the 19th man doesnt work >:(
But think of the rush you will miss out on when the boys all click at the same time and we look like a football club again.
:lol
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27 years old.
Seen 2 finals series.
Only ever seen 2 final wins, Vs Essendon in 95 and Carlton in 01.
What a joke.
So you are the jinx Popelord. ;)
Haha this is what the old man always says.
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........the acceptance of mediocrity and failure which now appears to be deeply ingrained in our club culture.
But the players and coaches haven't been around long enough to be part of your so called club culture.
I'm glad you don't have any part in the manufacture of jet engines RR.
It's a spirit that infuses a club. One day you have it, and another day you don't. Once we had it in spades, but now it's gone. And the longer you're down, the more failure becomes ingrained. Ask St. Kilda if you don't believe me. By the way, how did you know that I manufacture jet engines for a living? ;D
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I got so frustrated yesterday yelled the F word so loud the whole second level premium seating members would have heard me. I was so disappointed in myself and truly embarassed that I was expecting to be chucked out. The MCG officials must have felt sorry for me lol. It was just so horrible to watch such a gutless effort.
What troubles me the most is the fact that during the week the club was saying that there would be no free games for players after last week. There plenty of players in the side yesterday who were getting free games meanwhile Tuck stays at Coburg for no logical reason.
Hardwicks team of favorites failed horribly yesterday!
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I honestly believe our problems run far deeper than the lack of a few key playing personnel. What will be harder for any well-meaning administration and coach to eradicate, is the acceptance of mediocrity and failure which now appears to be deeply ingrained in our club culture.
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Thats it right there
The thing is, watching on from the crowd yesterday the players looked as though they had just recieved news they didnt like, and they reacted with a "who cares"attitude...
pfft I dunno just bloody lazy
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What pees me off is all the hard work and credibility we earned in the first half of the year has all been erased.
I can handle the team losing but not when they don't have a crack.
BINGO Tucker :clapping
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It's a spirit that infuses a club.
And is perpetualised in the way we post on this forum.
We stop the bad spirit by TALKING ABOUT THE GOOD SPIRIT....not the negative, whinging crap that is regularly posted on all forums.
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But the players and coaches haven't been around long enough to be part of your so called club culture.
That maybe the case but the facts are yesterday it was like a re-make a 2nd rate horror movie. The stars & director have different names to the orginal but the final product is just the same.
The other problem is we have been told by the current crop of players that they want to create their culture and era of success and then we get served up what was on show yesterday, which is what we've seen time and time again just makes you question what's really changed, what's differnet this time round? It's bloody hard to have any faith in what they say after that.
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It's bloody hard to have any faith in what they say after that.
Yes William. Let's hope they shut up for a while and let game day performance do the talking.
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It's bloody hard to have any faith in what they say after that.
Yes William. Let's hope they shut up for a while and let game day performance do the talking.
that's all I want Ekto as I said at the beginning it's all about actions now, words mean very little actually they mean nothing.
Saturday night against the Bombers it is all about actions, result is irrelevant, it's the effort and actions that matter to me
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I couldnt give a stuff if we win, lose or draw.
It's my club, my team and I love it no matter what.
If one of my kids stuff up then I still love them, if my footy club stuffs up then I do the same.
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I couldnt give a eff if we win, lose or draw.
It's my club, my team and I love it no matter what.
If one of my kids eff up then I still love them, if my footy club effs up then I do the same.
TBR, this is not about not loving the club anymore, this is about the club taking responsilibity for what've they done and earning the respect back that they clearly lost from a lot of us yesterday.
I will always love the club with a passion and I will always be a member of it.
But right at this moment this club needs to give me a reason to continue spending over $4k a year on memberships rather than me just buying a standard one.... the extra money I was planning to give the FTF later in the year - well they wont be getting it and I make no apologies for that. It's about respect now.
Abandon them? No. Stick with them going forward? Absolutely I will but right at this moment with how I am feeling this time my comittment to them will be on my terms....
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With all due respect WP and I mean that as I think you are a good bloke, I think changing your mind on your level of support based on a performance is a bit of a cop out.
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TBR this is how WP thinks and to be frank I think.
Just like my kids I love them but if I am thinking of rewarding my kids lets say with a computer game that they have been hankering me for but their report card is less than complimentary then I won't get them their computer game. I would be correct in doing that.
Same rules apply with RFC. If I wanted to donate more or go to games or buy merchandise from the club after an effort like that I don't have to. After what yesterday was billed FTF 19th man and Benny wanted us to break the Rich v Carl H&A attendance I see it as the exams my kids didn't study for and treat with the respect it deserved and therefore it left a sour taste in my mouth and left me upset and disappointed over a complete lack of respect and effort to those who spent their effort time and money to hopefully see them succeed.
RFC naughty naughty naughty children.
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With all due respect WP and I mean that as I think you are a good bloke, I think changing your mind on your level of support based on a performance is a bit of a cop out.
fair enough TBR - but as I said at the beginning yesterday driving home I thought about how much it has cost me. As a result I worked out how much I've given this club since October last year and it is a staggering amount of money. And by staggering I mean I was genuinely shocked by how much it is and I have never, ever been concerned or thought about it before. I have been more than happy to spend it without (obviously) a 2nd thought
But yesterday after watching "that" something inside me said "nope, this isn't right". I (we) deserve better. And right at this moment I reckon I am right in demanding better.
We all deserve better... they can't keep coming to us the members/supporters expecting us to "save" them with donations to things like the FTF when they show such a blatant disregard to the Club itself and more importantly to us the people who love this club. Players come and go but the supporters remain.
It is how I feel now. In 6 weeks when the dust has settled I will probably feel differently but right now the Richmond Football Club has given me the greatest kick in the guts I've ever got from it and simply feel they owe me something more than an apology
You disrespect something or someone then you have to earn that respect back - that is what the Club needs to and must do now
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TBR this is how WP thinks and to be frank I think.
Just like my kids I love them but if I am thinking of rewarding my kids lets say with a computer game that they have been hankering me for but their report card is less than complimentary then I won't get them their computer game. I would be correct in doing that.
Same rules apply with RFC. If I wanted to donate more or go to games or buy merchandise from the club after an effort like that I don't have to. After what yesterday was billed FTF 19th man and Benny wanted us to break the Rich v Carl H&A attendance I see it as the exams my kids didn't study for and treat with the respect it deserved and therefore it left a sour taste in my mouth and left me upset and disappointed over a complete lack of respect and effort to those who spent their effort time and money to hopefully see them succeed.
RFC naughty naughty naughty children.
youve been doing some of your better work lately Tucker, well done and keep up the good work :cheers
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Again mate, I understand you are hurting but I don't reckon keeping score about how much you have given vs what the club has given back is what you truly are about.
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TBR this is how WP thinks and to be frank I think.
Just like my kids I love them but if I am thinking of rewarding my kids lets say with a computer game that they have been hankering me for but their report card is less than complimentary then I won't get them their computer game. I would be correct in doing that.
Same rules apply with RFC. If I wanted to donate more or go to games or buy merchandise from the club after an effort like that I don't have to. After what yesterday was billed FTF 19th man and Benny wanted us to break the Rich v Carl H&A attendance I see it as the exams my kids didn't study for and treat with the respect it deserved and therefore it left a sour taste in my mouth and left me upset and disappointed over a complete lack of respect and effort to those who spent their effort time and money to hopefully see them succeed.
RFC naughty naughty naughty children.
youve been doing some of your better work lately Tucker, well done and keep up the good work :cheers
I'm just the resident OER Greek philosopher Flagman. :thumbsup
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Again mate, I understand you are hurting but I don't reckon keeping score about how much you have given vs what the club has given back is what you truly are about.
I don't see it as keeping score, being an accountant I see it as dealing with the facts as they stand right now.
But you are correct; normally I don't think that way; simply I usually don't care but this time it is so very different because this time for me it's about respect on the case of yesterday lack of respect
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Again mate, I understand you are hurting but I don't reckon keeping score about how much you have given vs what the club has given back is what you truly are about.
I don't see it as keeping score, being an accountant I see it as dealing with the facts as they stand right now.
But you are correct; normally I don't think that way; simply I usually don't care but this time it is so very different because this time for me it's about respect on the case of yesterday lack of respect
The only thing I would say is the mates that mean the most to me are the ones that were there in my darkest times, unconditionally.
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The only thing I would say is the mates that mean the most to me are the ones that were there in my darkest times, unconditionally.
True but some times that means forcing them to take responsibility for the crap they've got some into.
It doesn't mean walking away it just means taking a step back and making them take action to fix things rather patting them on the back and saying "it's OK, it'll be alright". Sometimes you have to be cruel to kind and sometimes people need to be forced to look in the mirror to help themselves...
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If the players need any sort of outside to motivation to regroup and show some spirit after that performance then they are truly stuffed. Self pride should be enough.
It's one poor game...no it's one absolutely poohouse spineless performance - the only one under hardwick so far. So, as dissapointed as i was on saturday, i'm prepared to cut them some slack and treat it as just an aberration, as long it remains an isolataed incident
If we talk about changing our level of support after one game, does the reverse apply if we come out and beat essendon by 6-7 goals on the weekend? After all, it wasn't that long agao we all had tizz in our jocks after the dreamtime game which just shows we should not get too carried away with one result, either way.
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and we all found out the 19th man doesnt work >:(
The 19th man could've worked but unfortunately he was the only one who turned up on Saturday.
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It's a spirit that infuses a club.
And is perpetualised in the way we post on this forum.
We stop the bad spirit by TALKING ABOUT THE GOOD SPIRIT....not the negative, whinging crap that is regularly posted on all forums.
Sorry Ekto, but to say that we the supporters are to blame for perpetuating this loser mentality that permeates the club is a cop out. We can only react to what we are given. It was only a few weeks ago when this and other Tiger forums were awash with "good spirit", as the team continued to take giant strides in its' improvement. But you can't expect anything but negativity from the fans after Saturday. Not just because of the performance, and the fact that it was against our old enemy. But also the context of the occasion with the FTF and the "19th man" e-mail that we all received. It was like the team wiped its' ass on all the names printed on the sash.
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and we all found out the 19th man doesnt work >:(
The 19th man could've worked but unfortunately he was the only one who turned up on Saturday.
LMAO at 19th man shouting from the Punt Road End," Where were you when we were s h i t?"
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LMAO at 19th man shouting from the Punt Road End," Where were you when we were s h i t?"
Yeh , they weren't singing it at the end of the match.
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With all due respect WP and I mean that as I think you are a good bloke, I think changing your mind on your level of support based on a performance is a bit of a cop out.
No it's not.
Richmond football club is like a son.
You love it, proud of it and live and die by it.
You'll defend it no matter the situation and stay loyal and love it no matter what
That doesn't mean you can't be disappointed, embarrassed and angry at it and needs to be disciplined.
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The Richmond Football club is a 14 year old school kid and Scotch College. Having an average family sacrifice most things to give their child the best education possible and a highly rated school. They want their kid to be the best and will support them no matter what.
Saturday was "Special Persons" day to show off the skills, teachings and development of all the kids at Scotch. As parents we all rocked up eager to see something. Not wanting "top of the class honours" or A+ results. We just wanted to see our kid be the best he can be. Low and behold our kid rocked up drunk and was found out in front of all the hard working Scotch students and shown he is unfortunately bottom of his class. Why have we wasted our time and money?
Embarrassed a parent of this kid I walk away from Saturday furious. I've sacrificed many things to let this ungrateful excuse of a son pee away the future I want so bad for him and worked so hard to give him the best chance I can give him.
However I'll always love the kid. But god give me strength if it was legal I'd get him in a padded cell and beat the leaving stick out of him, cause enough is enough. Pull your heads in and do. I sit back with a cold bourbon and think, is it all worth it? Would it be better off sending the kid to a public school and go on holidays and buy a new car.
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With all due respect WP and I mean that as I think you are a good bloke, I think changing your mind on your level of support based on a performance is a bit of a cop out.
No it's not.
Richmond football club is like a son.
You love it, proud of it and live and die by it.
You'll defend it no matter the situation and stay loyal and love it no matter what
That doesn't mean you can't be disappointed, embarrassed and angry at it and needs to be disciplined.
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The Richmond Football club is a 14 year old school kid and Scotch College. Having an average family sacrifice most things to give their child the best education possible and a highly rated school. They want their kid to be the best and will support them no matter what.
Saturday was "Special Persons" day to show off the skills, teachings and development of all the kids at Scotch. As parents we all rocked up eager to see something. Not wanting "top of the class honours" or A+ results. We just wanted to see our kid be the best he can be. Low and behold our kid rocked up drunk and was found out in front of all the hard working Scotch students and shown he is unfortunately bottom of his class. Why have we wasted our time and money?
Embarrassed a parent of this kid I walk away from Saturday furious. I've sacrificed many things to let this ungrateful excuse of a son pee away the future I want so bad for him and worked so hard to give him the best chance I can give him.
However I'll always love the kid. But god give me strength if it was legal I'd get him in a padded cell and beat the leaving stick out of him, cause enough is enough. Pull your heads in and do. I sit back with a cold bourbon and think, is it all worth it? Would it be better off sending the kid to a public school and go on holidays and buy a new car.
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Buy a new car pope :lol
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Again mate, I understand you are hurting but I don't reckon keeping score about how much you have given vs what the club has given back is what you truly are about.
I don't see it as keeping score, being an accountant I see it as dealing with the facts as they stand right now.
But you are correct; normally I don't think that way; simply I usually don't care but this time it is so very different because this time for me it's about respect on the case of yesterday lack of respect
The only thing I would say is the mates that mean the most to me are the ones that were there in my darkest times, unconditionally.
When something is dished up like "that" on the weekend everyone evaluates the investment they give to Richmond. Whne I say investment, it categorizes different things: money, time, travel etc. Its not all money, I work in Geelong every 2nd month and travel all the way up from Geelong when Richmond play.
I, for one will be pulling back certain "investments", I'll still invest but no way near as heavily as I have this year. I still will be supporting the club, I'll cheer barrack as loud as ever.
I've got the option to watch a mate of mine play VFL, catch up on work, go for a run, anything social or recreational, everything takes a back seat when Richmond play. I've turned down weekends away because I don't want to miss a Richmond game. I had a paid holiday to Echuca but didn't want to miss the game against Essendon next week. (Was decided after Dream Time at the G) I look like an absolute idiot now.
But when some of us invest what would be considered a "huge" amount you can't continue to do so after a performance like that.
It's not a lack of character, if thats what you are insinuating, it's just common sense.
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With all due respect WP and I mean that as I think you are a good bloke, I think changing your mind on your level of support based on a performance is a bit of a cop out.
No it's not.
Richmond football club is like a son.
You love it, proud of it and live and die by it.
You'll defend it no matter the situation and stay loyal and love it no matter what
That doesn't mean you can't be disappointed, embarrassed and angry at it and needs to be disciplined.
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The Richmond Football club is a 14 year old school kid and Scotch College. Having an average family sacrifice most things to give their child the best education possible and a highly rated school. They want their kid to be the best and will support them no matter what.
Saturday was "Special Persons" day to show off the skills, teachings and development of all the kids at Scotch. As parents we all rocked up eager to see something. Not wanting "top of the class honours" or A+ results. We just wanted to see our kid be the best he can be. Low and behold our kid rocked up drunk and was found out in front of all the hard working Scotch students and shown he is unfortunately bottom of his class. Why have we wasted our time and money?
Embarrassed a parent of this kid I walk away from Saturday furious. I've sacrificed many things to let this ungrateful excuse of a son pee away the future I want so bad for him and worked so hard to give him the best chance I can give him.
However I'll always love the kid. But god give me strength if it was legal I'd get him in a padded cell and beat the leaving stick out of him, cause enough is enough. Pull your heads in and do. I sit back with a cold bourbon and think, is it all worth it? Would it be better off sending the kid to a public school and go on holidays and buy a new car.
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Buy a new car pope :lol
Hahaha well said.
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With all due respect WP and I mean that as I think you are a good bloke, I think changing your mind on your level of support based on a performance is a bit of a cop out.
No it's not.
Richmond football club is like a son.
You love it, proud of it and live and die by it.
You'll defend it no matter the situation and stay loyal and love it no matter what
That doesn't mean you can't be disappointed, embarrassed and angry at it and needs to be disciplined.
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The Richmond Football club is a 14 year old school kid and Scotch College. Having an average family sacrifice most things to give their child the best education possible and a highly rated school. They want their kid to be the best and will support them no matter what.
Saturday was "Special Persons" day to show off the skills, teachings and development of all the kids at Scotch. As parents we all rocked up eager to see something. Not wanting "top of the class honours" or A+ results. We just wanted to see our kid be the best he can be. Low and behold our kid rocked up drunk and was found out in front of all the hard working Scotch students and shown he is unfortunately bottom of his class. Why have we wasted our time and money?
Embarrassed a parent of this kid I walk away from Saturday furious. I've sacrificed many things to let this ungrateful excuse of a son pee away the future I want so bad for him and worked so hard to give him the best chance I can give him.
However I'll always love the kid. But god give me strength if it was legal I'd get him in a padded cell and beat the leaving stick out of him, cause enough is enough. Pull your heads in and do. I sit back with a cold bourbon and think, is it all worth it? Would it be better off sending the kid to a public school and go on holidays and buy a new car.
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Buy a new car pope :lol
Hahaha well said.
And dont bother with the public school either - the kids a delinquent ;D
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I sit back with a cold bourbon
... and ponder your drunken son ?
Maybe that's the essence of the problem :thumbsup
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With all due respect WP and I mean that as I think you are a good bloke, I think changing your mind on your level of support based on a performance is a bit of a cop out.
No it's not.
Richmond football club is like a son.
You love it, proud of it and live and die by it.
You'll defend it no matter the situation and stay loyal and love it no matter what
That doesn't mean you can't be disappointed, embarrassed and angry at it and needs to be disciplined.
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The Richmond Football club is a 14 year old school kid and Scotch College. Having an average family sacrifice most things to give their child the best education possible and a highly rated school. They want their kid to be the best and will support them no matter what.
Saturday was "Special Persons" day to show off the skills, teachings and development of all the kids at Scotch. As parents we all rocked up eager to see something. Not wanting "top of the class honours" or A+ results. We just wanted to see our kid be the best he can be. Low and behold our kid rocked up drunk and was found out in front of all the hard working Scotch students and shown he is unfortunately bottom of his class. Why have we wasted our time and money?
Embarrassed a parent of this kid I walk away from Saturday furious. I've sacrificed many things to let this ungrateful excuse of a son pee away the future I want so bad for him and worked so hard to give him the best chance I can give him.
However I'll always love the kid. But god give me strength if it was legal I'd get him in a padded cell and beat the leaving stick out of him, cause enough is enough. Pull your heads in and do. I sit back with a cold bourbon and think, is it all worth it? Would it be better off sending the kid to a public school and go on holidays and buy a new car.
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Buy a new car pope :lol
Hahaha well said.
And dont bother with the public school either - the kids a delinquent ;D
I'm considering adoption.
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I predicted we would make the 8 before the Mlebourne game and I had pencilled both that game and the one against Cartltank as losses.
We are still in the mix, but % may be the killer after that effort.
Bombers and Suns 2 good games for a reply from the group and we are right back in there.
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I predicted we would make the 8 before the Mlebourne game and I had pencilled both that game and the one against Cartltank as losses.
We are still in the mix, but % may be the killer after that effort.
Bombers and Suns 2 good games for a reply from the group and we are right back in there.
Our % has IMHO killed any chance we had. Bombers are over 100% and Melb are closed to that, we are 14% off the pace which is equivalent to a win
We've got 5 wins, 11 will get most in, with our % we need 12 wins and based on Saturday it aint going to happen
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This year resembles 2006..we have been hopeless the last month and the 100 point flogging has alot of terry Wallace about the effort that was shown .reckon the players gave up on Saturday which is very 2006
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.reckon the players gave up on Saturday which is very 2006
We didn't give up coz we didn't turn up. I turned to my mate 5 minutes into the game on Sat and said " Oh Sh*t ! "
At that stage we hadn't touched the ball and had let weak Carlton players walk through tackles and dish off to any of 5 or 6 free teamates and then waltz into an open forward line to score. Game was fairdinkum gone at the 5 minute mark.
**** that was pox Tiges. :(
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Mate I watched in live in Fiji and seen more turnovers than you would see anywhere.no pressure, just nothing.half hearted efforts
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This year resembles 2006..we have been hopeless the last month and the 100 point flogging has alot of terry Wallace about the effort that was shown .reckon the players gave up on Saturday which is very 2006
Unfortunately agree, it's ho we respond that counts.
Melbourne were bloody good last week and we were just OK.
Wasn't a real "must respond" week, but close.
Carlton were good and we were pathetic.
If they weren't sure it's a "must respond" week, it is now.
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Just read the direct from dimma email
Im ready to bin it now- clearly we wont be given an explanation as to why for the performance- maybe they dont even know themselves
Im moving on, reflecting on a loss like that isnt doing any of us any good anyway
:P
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This year resembles 2006..we have been hopeless the last month and the 100 point flogging has alot of terry Wallace about the effort that was shown .reckon the players gave up on Saturday which is very 2006
Unfortunately agree, it's ho we respond that counts.
Melbourne were bloody good last week and we were just OK.
Wasn't a real "must respond" week, but close.
Carlton were good and we were pathetic.
If they weren't sure it's a "must respond" week, it is now.
IN 2006 we lost by 118 points to Sydney and the following week was the Joel and Paddy show to beat Adelaide by 3 points.
I want to see some committment effort application desire. it's all about how we go about our job.
Beating Essendon against the odds after they beat Geelong would be a good way to start repaying the fans after what they have done for the club.
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RFC naughty naughty naughty children.
They're not messiah's, they're just naughty boys.
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something wasnt right on saturday
it seemed only jack rance and king were the only players who wore the jumper, the rest all had carlscum jumpers on
cotchin proved on saturday he is not ready to be captain .......
newman showed and esp after his bs interview in the paper he should hand his captaincy in
i dont care if jack spits the dummy or not, he is richo mark II and he should be our captain
dimma has made a big mistake and seems he is following the spud blue print to coaching... he is becoming to friendly and matey with the players.....u r the coach dimma not the big brother
Edited: gutter talk keep it above the belt thanks refer warnings issued over the last few weeks
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cotchin proved on saturday he is not ready to be captain but .....
Ooooh yeh... his boyfriend Kruezer :thumbsup ... !
newman showed and esp after his bs interview in the paper he should hand his captaincy in
Ooooh yeh , Newman should hand in the captaincy... !
i dont care if jack spits the dummy or not, he is richo mark II and he should be our captain
Yep Jack should be captain... !
dimma has made a big mistake and seems he is following the spud blue print to coaching
Dimma is definitely following the Spud.....................!
Guessing you're a North supporter....:wallywink
Edited: snip - keep the personal insults off the forum
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cotchin proved on saturday he is not ready to be captain .......
frog crap
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I spoke to another richmond supporter on Monday. He said he didn't go to the Carlton match because of Richmond's performance against Melbourne. It seems that some supporters rightly or wrongly are resigned to the fact that we are a basket case. It seems to me that this post has shown how passionate supporters are about the club and that they have the best interests of the club at heart. Then to effect the necessary change call me crazy but someone on this website should run for a position in the board when one comes up and people on this site get behind them. It is time the club gets in touch with its supporters.
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someone on this website should run for a position in the board when one comes up and people on this site get behind them.
I believe Gerks is running for president ? That's the way , don't eff around ! Aim high Gerks :thumbsup
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stuff you you wooden t¡t :cheers
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I spoke to another richmond supporter on Monday. He said he didn't go to the Carlton match because of Richmond's performance against Melbourne. It seems that some supporters rightly or wrongly are resigned to the fact that we are a basket case. It seems to me that this post has shown how passionate supporters are about the club and that they have the best interests of the club at heart. Then to effect the necessary change call me crazy but someone on this website should run for a position in the board when one comes up and people on this site get behind them. It is time the club gets in touch with its supporters.
The club couldn't have done more to get and keep in touch with it's supporters this year. How will this supporter voice in the board improve things? What skills at a board level will this supporter bring? Are you suggesting that those on the board are less passionate about the club than us 'supporters' or don't have the best interests of the club at heart? Is the current problem (as you see it) a board issue or an employee issue (given that they are both completely different roles)?
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I spoke to another richmond supporter on Monday. He said he didn't go to the Carlton match because of Richmond's performance against Melbourne. It seems that some supporters rightly or wrongly are resigned to the fact that we are a basket case.
thats why only 59,000 turned up. If we had of beaten melbourne the week before or at the very least gone down playing like warriors instead of insecure little school girls, we wouldve got closer to 80k probably more. Think most tiger supports have finally cottoned on that something in our inate playing culture stinks, Dimma would do well to try and work out why a new list of players reacts the same way as every dud tiger lineup of the past 20 years. We just cannot turn up on the big occassions, ever, its incredible
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I spoke to another richmond supporter on Monday. He said he didn't go to the Carlton match because of Richmond's performance against Melbourne. It seems that some supporters rightly or wrongly are resigned to the fact that we are a basket case. It seems to me that this post has shown how passionate supporters are about the club and that they have the best interests of the club at heart. Then to effect the necessary change call me crazy but someone on this website should run for a position in the board when one comes up and people on this site get behind them. It is time the club gets in touch with its supporters.
The club couldn't have done more to get and keep in touch with it's supporters this year. How will this supporter voice in the board improve things? What skills at a board level will this supporter bring? Are you suggesting that those on the board are less passionate about the club than us 'supporters' or don't have the best interests of the club at heart? Is the current problem (as you see it) a board issue or an employee issue (given that they are both completely different roles)?
Do you think our board is doing a good job Smokey?
If so, where are they setting a standard in the comp?
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I spoke to another richmond supporter on Monday. He said he didn't go to the Carlton match because of Richmond's performance against Melbourne. It seems that some supporters rightly or wrongly are resigned to the fact that we are a basket case. It seems to me that this post has shown how passionate supporters are about the club and that they have the best interests of the club at heart. Then to effect the necessary change call me crazy but someone on this website should run for a position in the board when one comes up and people on this site get behind them. It is time the club gets in touch with its supporters.
The club couldn't have done more to get and keep in touch with it's supporters this year. How will this supporter voice in the board improve things? What skills at a board level will this supporter bring? Are you suggesting that those on the board are less passionate about the club than us 'supporters' or don't have the best interests of the club at heart? Is the current problem (as you see it) a board issue or an employee issue (given that they are both completely different roles)?
I always find this discussion about board members and their passion for the club and interesting one
Harsh reality is that the number 1 priority of board members is to run the club which happens to be whether we like it or not a business - they are overseeing the running of a business.
Sometimes and we as members/supporters might like it but they do have to temper the passion for the Club to make bloody tough decisions. Sometimes the passion has to take a back seat. Ultimately, a directors job is to do things that are in the best interest of the Club to ensure it survives, then thrives while covering off all the legal requirements. By extension sometimes things wont sit on top of the popularity stakes with members
IMHO to be on the board of a footy club (at any level) you need to be able to know when to be passionate and when to be business focussed. They can be and usually are two very seperate things. The goal of any Footy Club Board member should be to ensure the place is in better shape than when they arrived
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Oh and by the way - I have officially binned last weeks game ;D
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Oh and by the way - I have officially binned last weeks game ;D
i havent and the fact dimma said he will and dosnt even want to review it is a joke
that game must be reviewed and every player who made a weak arse attempt at tackling and chasing must be punished
each player must be told that running around the ground grabbing ur jumper means jack poo, its attitude while playing that shows
what the jumper means not pulling at it
each player must be told, u either want the jumper or eff off
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I hope people have calmed down and have begun to rationally look at the fact that we got well beaten by a top 4 side. TFTF or otherwise, it's not a big surprise given where we are coming from.
A win against the Dons would be the perfect tonic.
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I hope people have calmed down and have begun to rationally look at the fact that we got well beaten by a top 4 side. TFTF or otherwise, it's not a big surprise given where we are coming from.
A win against the Dons would be the perfect tonic.
p off
its not about being thrashed, i dont care if we get thrashed by a good team
but facts are its about the fricken EFFORT AND INTENSITY they played with
it was worse than pathetic, and quite frankly the blues are not that good ffs, yes they are better but not by that much
that game was played with no ticker no pride and no effort, onky rance king and jack put any effort in to hold a tackle
none of our mids put that extra bit to get numbers to the ball and break the lines
they were poo and i ever wanna see a performance like that again
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I hope people have calmed down and have begun to rationally look at the fact that we got well beaten by a top 4 side. TFTF or otherwise, it's not a big surprise given where we are coming from.
A win against the Dons would be the perfect tonic.
p off
its not about being thrashed, i dont care if we get thrashed by a good team
but facts are its about the fricken EFFORT AND INTENSITY they played with
it was worse than pathetic, and quite frankly the blues are not that good ffs, yes they are better but not by that much
that game was played with no ticker no pride and no effort, onky rance king and jack put any effort in to hold a tackle
none of our mids put that extra bit to get numbers to the ball and break the lines
they were poo and i ever wanna see a performance like that again
Yes we were a bit off but quite simply we were THRASHED in the midfield by a vastly superior unit who have the ability to challenge the leagues best.
If you think we're a lot better than what we showed at this stage of our development then I can only think you overrated us heading into the game.
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Oh and by the way - I have officially binned last weeks game ;D
i havent and the fact dimma said he will and dosnt even want to review it is a joke
that game must be reviewed and every player who made a weak behind attempt at tackling and chasing must be punished
The plan is to sit all those players in the Naughty corner during this weeks game! That will learn e'm :lol
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No Mr. Magic, we were not "a bit off", we were completely non-existent from the first bounce to the final siren. Of course Carlton are a couple of years ahead of us in their development. Nobody is disputing that.But I don't care what you say, the difference between us is NOT 100+ points.
The fact that the only players who could vaguely say even tried on the day were Rance,Nahas, Jack and to a lesser degree King is inexcusable.
As is the fact that we got virtually nothing out of Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Foley, Vickery, Newman, Houli, Batchelor,Grigg and a host of our other more talented and emerging players.
That Griffiths was knocked out with no retaliation was a disgrace. As was Waite, once again throwing his feet into opponents with impunity, and Betts running around at will, mocking and mouthing off to the Tiger supporters behind the Punt Road goal.
The Tigers collective lack of willingness to run, chase, support, tackle and basically COMPETE all day long was nothing short of appaling against a traditional enemy, and a team that in more recent times has stolen our draft picks and our pokies venue, as well as subjecting us to ritual humiliation in both our Centenary game, Ben Cousins first showing , and now our Fighting Tiger Fund day.
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"The club couldn't have done more to get and keep in touch with it's supporters this year. How will this supporter voice in the board improve things? What skills at a board level will this supporter bring? Are you suggesting that those on the board are less passionate about the club than us 'supporters' or don't have the best interests of the club at heart? Is the current problem (as you see it) a board issue or an employee issue (given that they are both completely different roles)?"
After a comprehensive thrashing like that on such an occasion when the club was expected to rise to the challenge questions need to be raised at all levels. Without any knowledge of the supporters on this website you assume they are not up to the task of being a director. Such an assumption is not warranted. The point is that if there is a cultural issue at the club then you need to look at all levels not just the playing group. For the record I am not saying that the borad members are not passionate about the club. It was just a suggestion.
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I spoke to another richmond supporter on Monday. He said he didn't go to the Carlton match because of Richmond's performance against Melbourne. It seems that some supporters rightly or wrongly are resigned to the fact that we are a basket case. It seems to me that this post has shown how passionate supporters are about the club and that they have the best interests of the club at heart. Then to effect the necessary change call me crazy but someone on this website should run for a position in the board when one comes up and people on this site get behind them. It is time the club gets in touch with its supporters.
The club couldn't have done more to get and keep in touch with it's supporters this year. How will this supporter voice in the board improve things? What skills at a board level will this supporter bring? Are you suggesting that those on the board are less passionate about the club than us 'supporters' or don't have the best interests of the club at heart? Is the current problem (as you see it) a board issue or an employee issue (given that they are both completely different roles)?
Do you think our board is doing a good job Smokey?
If so, where are they setting a standard in the comp?
Yes I do HRT. I think the direction they have set for the club and the charter they have given Benny Gale has been first class. In their role as Directors and Board they have charted a sound course that will lead to success if plans come to fruition. If the club doesn't succeed during their reign then it won't be the fault of good corporate governance on their behalf (unless circumstances change dramatically in the near future).
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After a comprehensive thrashing like that on such an occasion when the club was expected to rise to the challenge questions need to be raised at all levels. Without any knowledge of the supporters on this website you assume they are not up to the task of being a director. Such an assumption is not warranted. The point is that if there is a cultural issue at the club then you need to look at all levels not just the playing group. For the record I am not saying that the borad members are not passionate about the club. It was just a suggestion.
Why do questions need to be asked of the board after one thrashing? Where did I say any of the posters on this forum was not up to the task of being a Director? Did this cultural issue exist 4 weeks ago after we beat Essendon and were rolling towards the finals? I asked you some simple questions because I disagreed with your comments and in asking I gave you the opportunity to inform me and change my mind. Instead, I didn't get one answer to any question but instead accused of a false assumption! If it makes it easier I'll cut it down for you - please tell me how replacing a current Director with one of our own will change the on-field fortunes of the club and improve the performance of the current board?
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No Mr. Magic, we were not "a bit off", we were completely non-existent from the first bounce to the final siren. Of course Carlton are a couple of years ahead of us in their development. Nobody is disputing that.But I don't care what you say, the difference between us is NOT 100+ points.
The fact that the only players who could vaguely say even tried on the day were Rance,Nahas, Jack and to a lesser degree King is inexcusable.
As is the fact that we got virtually nothing out of Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Foley, Vickery, Newman, Houli, Batchelor,Grigg and a host of our other more talented and emerging players.
That Griffiths was knocked out with no retaliation was a disgrace. As was Waite, once again throwing his feet into opponents with impunity, and Betts running around at will, mocking and mouthing off to the Tiger supporters behind the Punt Road goal.
The Tigers collective lack of willingness to run, chase, support, tackle and basically COMPETE all day long was nothing short of appaling against a traditional enemy, and a team that in more recent times has stolen our draft picks and our pokies venue, as well as subjecting us to ritual humiliation in both our Centenary game, Ben Cousins first showing , and now our Fighting Tiger Fund day.
spot on and well said
the score has nothing to do with my anger it was the effing lack of effort
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I spoke to another richmond supporter on Monday. He said he didn't go to the Carlton match because of Richmond's performance against Melbourne. It seems that some supporters rightly or wrongly are resigned to the fact that we are a basket case. It seems to me that this post has shown how passionate supporters are about the club and that they have the best interests of the club at heart. Then to effect the necessary change call me crazy but someone on this website should run for a position in the board when one comes up and people on this site get behind them. It is time the club gets in touch with its supporters.
The club couldn't have done more to get and keep in touch with it's supporters this year. How will this supporter voice in the board improve things? What skills at a board level will this supporter bring? Are you suggesting that those on the board are less passionate about the club than us 'supporters' or don't have the best interests of the club at heart? Is the current problem (as you see it) a board issue or an employee issue (given that they are both completely different roles)?
Do you think our board is doing a good job Smokey?
If so, where are they setting a standard in the comp?
Yes I do HRT. I think the direction they have set for the club and the charter they have given Benny Gale has been first class. In their role as Directors and Board they have charted a sound course that will lead to success if plans come to fruition. If the club doesn't succeed during their reign then it won't be the fault of good corporate governance on their behalf (unless circumstances change dramatically in the near future).
I'm not convinced the board of an AFL club only take responsibility for good corporate governance. In fact, I'd argue that have to bring more to the table these days to stay ahead of the game - especially in Melbourne.
2 other q's - I know we have a members voting system but do you think the board seems a bit of a clique? By this I mean the candidates always seem "board endorsed" and where is our board setting a standard with the way it runs the club?
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In response to
"Why do questions need to be asked of the board after one thrashing? Where did I say any of the posters on this forum was not up to the task of being a Director? Did this cultural issue exist 4 weeks ago after we beat Essendon and were rolling towards the finals? I asked you some simple questions because I disagreed with your comments and in asking I gave you the opportunity to inform me and change my mind. Instead, I didn't get one answer to any question but instead accused of a false assumption! If it makes it easier I'll cut it down for you - please tell me how replacing a current Director with one of our own will change the on-field fortunes of the club and improve the performance of the current board?"
Firstly my initial comments were a suggestion given the comments I had previously read about supporters on this website being dissatisfied with the culture at the club. I was not saying that it was my position that the board should change. What I took from the underlying tone of your initial post was that supporters in particular supporters on this forum would not be capable of fulfilling the task of being a director. Thanking you for clarfying that that was not your intention. Please clarify whether you are saying that this was just an off game and therefore there is no need for any change. If there is an issue with the culture at the club and I say if you have to look at all areas of the club including at the board level as at the board level some of the important decisions are made regarding the club. Look at the Western Bulldogs this year and the reports in the media about concerns about the culture at that club and need for change at the board level to address the concern. To put it simply to you if there is and again I say if there is a cultural issue at the club don't you think that all areas of the club should be examined?
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No Mr. Magic, we were not "a bit off", we were completely non-existent from the first bounce to the final siren. Of course Carlton are a couple of years ahead of us in their development. Nobody is disputing that.But I don't care what you say, the difference between us is NOT 100+ points.
Well I really feared this game because the Blues got beaten the week before.
They are light years ahead of us in seasoned talent and I wasn't at all surprised that we were flogged if the Blues switched on.
60-80pts was my guess pre game. It was a little more than that obviously but a flogging is a flogging.
I thought we tried hard at first but fell away as the game went on. The 2nd half was no doubt disappointing.
Anyways, what's important is that we learn from it & put it behind us.
All will be forgiven pretty quicky if we beat the Bombers this week.
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i think what happens at the end of this yr will determine for me where they are truly at. i can live with what hppens on field because i have little expectation and indeed still expect to cop hidings not just this yr but next and probably the one after that. you must first rebuild properly before you can soar like an eagle for now we are turkeys but continue to turn over lots of players and continue primarily with youth and we will be okay in the long term. people forget it is early days as far as rebuild goes.
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people forget it is early days as far as rebuild goes.
Yep Cameron pretty well confirmed this today. We're still in development mode.
In saying that I have been surprised that Miller has received as many games as he has this year after wasting the spot on the rookie list.
That to me sent mixed messages. Fortunately they have now shelved that mistake.
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In saying that I have been surprised that Miller has received as many games as he has this year after wasting the spot on the rookie list.
That to me sent mixed messages. Fortunately they have now shelved that mistake.
Well we hope so but it's not 5pm yet :-\.
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It's funny, the loss on the weekend feels like it was the last game of the season and was very deflating.
I'm finding it hard to get excited about this weeks game, even though I am expecting us to win.
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It's funny, the loss on the weekend feels like it was the last game of the season and was very deflating.
I'm finding it hard to get excited about this weeks game, even though I am expecting us to win.
Reality hits hard doesn't it! :P
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It's funny, the loss on the weekend feels like it was the last game of the season and was very deflating.
I'm finding it hard to get excited about this weeks game, even though I am expecting us to win.
you expect us to win do you?
I dont, in fact i give us a very slim chance to get within 3 goals
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you expect us to win do you?
I dont, in fact i give us a very slim chance to get within 3 goals
Bombers at the G, of course I do.
They are one team we actually have the wood over. :gotigers
If we don't win though, I don't think we'll win again for the rest of the year.
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you expect us to win do you?
I dont, in fact i give us a very slim chance to get within 3 goals
Bombers at the G, of course I do.
They are one team we actually have the wood over. :gotigers
If we don't win though, I don't think we'll win again for the rest of the year.
I agree with wayne. It won't be surprising if we finally get off to a good start, regain our confidence as a young side and win this week and send Windy Hill into meltdown again lol. However if we get off to another bad start and don't win as the psychy of the team hasn't recovered from the Carlton loss then it won't surprise me if we lose to the Gold Coast next week up there in Cairns. We are sadly very predictable with our mentality :-\.
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No expectations this week, what happens; happens
Just going to the footy with my mate that's all I'm doing
Totally immune to it all ;D
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It's funny, the loss on the weekend feels like it was the last game of the season and was very deflating.
I'm finding it hard to get excited about this weeks game, even though I am expecting us to win.
you expect us to win do you?
I dont, in fact i give us a very slim chance to get within 3 goals
We will flog them....
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people forget it is early days as far as rebuild goes.
Yep Cameron pretty well confirmed this today. We're still in development mode.
In saying that I have been surprised that Miller has received as many games as he has this year after wasting the spot on the rookie list.
That to me sent mixed messages. Fortunately they have now shelved that mistake.
considering they did not fill all available rookie spots, one wasn't really wasted on miller.
nor have they "shelved that mistake". once griffiths was ready, miller made way for him, as was the plan all along.
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No expectations this week, what happens; happens
Just going to the footy with my mate that's all I'm doing
Totally immune to it all ;D
I've pretty much been like that since Round 1 2009, beers for a win, beers for a loss. Mmmm beer
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Yes I do HRT. I think the direction they have set for the club and the charter they have given Benny Gale has been first class. In their role as Directors and Board they have charted a sound course that will lead to success if plans come to fruition. If the club doesn't succeed during their reign then it won't be the fault of good corporate governance on their behalf (unless circumstances change dramatically in the near future).
I'm not convinced the board of an AFL club only take responsibility for good corporate governance. In fact, I'd argue that have to bring more to the table these days to stay ahead of the game - especially in Melbourne.
2 other q's - I know we have a members voting system but do you think the board seems a bit of a clique? By this I mean the candidates always seem "board endorsed" and where is our board setting a standard with the way it runs the club?
I agree that they should bring more to the table HRT but their first and over-riding priority should be to set the goals, direction and agenda for the club, and to oversee the performance of the paid employees in achieving those. Using their individual skillsets to guide and assist in this, as well as providing a conduit for networking to different areas of the club are other important facets board members could be expected to bring. At the end of the day a successful board will use all the tools it has available to ensure that the club succeeds on the path that has been set for it and I will argue that unless someone has extensive attributes and experience as a success in their chosen profession/field then their individual value as a board member on a modern dynamic board will be restrictive and most likely not allow the board to realise it's full potential. Just being a passionate supporter would come up a fair way short of what the board would need from any elected member.
In answer to your questions, I do think the board can be seen as a bit 'cliquey' (if that's a word) at times and that's why I fully endorse open/transparent board elections. I don't agree with appointments from the floor. And I believe the standard our board has set can be seen in the things our club has recently become focused on; primarily, on long term financial survival/stability as it's first priority, setting a higher level of professionalism in the staff it employs (evidenced by the appointment of Benny Gale and other recent additions), and not allowing the football department to get ahead of itself by rampant spending without a solid, fully costed plan for long term success.
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No expectations this week, what happens; happens
Just going to the footy with my mate that's all I'm doing
Totally immune to it all ;D
I've pretty much been like that since Round 1 2009, beers for a win, beers for a loss. Mmmm beer
Saturday to me was a loss of innocence. After Hardwick was appointed as a whole I was prepared to be philosophical and accept that we are in a rebuilding phase and forget about the previous regime. Look towards the future accept that there would be pain but at the same time enjoy going to the footy. The kids made it enjoyable and I was watching their progress their development with a sense of inner pride. Even the club in some way seemed to have gained some level of maturity and footy was enjoyable where every game could be a free hit to anyone where win lose or draw the future and our success was seen closer than it was at any time under Wallet.
I guess with results maturity and pride the bar raises and although in my heart of hearts I knew we were not going to win Saturday lamentably was a return to "Those Tigers of Old" that we all loathe in a game that meant something to the fans of the club it seems. I can only wish for a more concerted effort Saturday night and a win will be nice and help lifting the spirits of us but as others have mentioned and I am alluding to the free hit and I guess positivity and inner pride I have had since Dimma has been appointed and Round 1 2010 is somehow missing and only the deeds of the team on field can restore that over time. I am not going to say I believe they can but merely I hope they can.
As for the beer at the footy HRT that's a given. :thumbsup
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In response to
"Why do questions need to be asked of the board after one thrashing? Where did I say any of the posters on this forum was not up to the task of being a Director? Did this cultural issue exist 4 weeks ago after we beat Essendon and were rolling towards the finals? I asked you some simple questions because I disagreed with your comments and in asking I gave you the opportunity to inform me and change my mind. Instead, I didn't get one answer to any question but instead accused of a false assumption! If it makes it easier I'll cut it down for you - please tell me how replacing a current Director with one of our own will change the on-field fortunes of the club and improve the performance of the current board?"
Firstly my initial comments were a suggestion given the comments I had previously read about supporters on this website being dissatisfied with the culture at the club. I was not saying that it was my position that the board should change. What I took from the underlying tone of your initial post was that supporters in particular supporters on this forum would not be capable of fulfilling the task of being a director. Thanking you for clarfying that that was not your intention. Please clarify whether you are saying that this was just an off game and therefore there is no need for any change. If there is an issue with the culture at the club and I say if you have to look at all areas of the club including at the board level as at the board level some of the important decisions are made regarding the club. Look at the Western Bulldogs this year and the reports in the media about concerns about the culture at that club and need for change at the board level to address the concern. To put it simply to you if there is and again I say if there is a cultural issue at the club don't you think that all areas of the club should be examined?
All good Elim and yes, I do think it was an off game - one that was to be expected a couple of times this season just as a couple of unexpected wins, the 'classic' signs of a young developing side. I refuse to buy into the knee-jerk reactions of many supporters claiming the end of the world because of a couple of poor weeks. Not one of these was spruiking doomsday a month ago and nor will they again if we turn it around in the next few weeks. The only time to realistically and effectively judge our 2011 season will be after Round 22 (or later if the planets all line up spectacularly). That's why I don't buy into the culture thing at present. I do agree that in the past we have had a culture of not standing up in big games among a myriad of other football failings however that culture was never ever going to be changed or eradicated in 1 or 2 seasons and I have seen some signs this season that some of the bad cultural shortcomings have been improved or removed. That is all I need to see at present for me to be comfortable and satisfied in allowing the current regime (from top to bottom) the slack and charter to continue on as they are. Judgment Day will come soon enough but in my opinion it's far too early to start making calls for board reviews etc etc. I think everyone at the club combined have taken significant strides forward in a satisfactory manner to sate my current hunger for success. If it happens again at this time next year? Let's have a bit closer look at how all things are travelling then.
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Bin it ?? Bin it ??? They should have it an 24 hour rotation in the new 'world class media and lecture centre' and make every player undertake 48 hours of continuous watching and sleep deprevation !
That "performance" has just turned my guts all week cos it was lame, souless & completely unacceptable.
If that is the effort level RFC now provides when they ask the punters for coin, they can go heave.
The AFL is now an elite competition that has elevated itself beyond community reach, and I for one, will not invest emotionally in a competition or club that continues to pay lip service to the membership and supporter base.
Screw the AFL and the social club membership, I am off to the WAFL where you can have a kick of the footy on the oval, listen to the coach give an address, have a cold can, a chat with the canteen lady that is involved in the club, watch a contest between skilled footballers rather than glorified circle work and the kids can run around after easily finding parking that is $1 and available.
Darth Out.
For this season at least.
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Thank-you for your response Smokie
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All good Elim and yes, I do think it was an off game - one that was to be expected a couple of times this season just as a couple of unexpected wins, the 'classic' signs of a young developing side. I refuse to buy into the knee-jerk reactions of many supporters claiming the end of the world because of a couple of poor weeks. Not one of these was spruiking doomsday a month ago and nor will they again if we turn it around in the next few weeks. The only time to realistically and effectively judge our 2011 season will be after Round 22 (or later if the planets all line up spectacularly). That's why I don't buy into the culture thing at present. I do agree that in the past we have had a culture of not standing up in big games among a myriad of other football failings however that culture was never ever going to be changed or eradicated in 1 or 2 seasons and I have seen some signs this season that some of the bad cultural shortcomings have been improved or removed. That is all I need to see at present for me to be comfortable and satisfied in allowing the current regime (from top to bottom) the slack and charter to continue on as they are. Judgment Day will come soon enough but in my opinion it's far too early to start making calls for board reviews etc etc. I think everyone at the club combined have taken significant strides forward in a satisfactory manner to sate my current hunger for success. If it happens again at this time next year? Let's have a bit closer look at how all things are travelling then.
That's a bloody good post Smokey
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people forget it is early days as far as rebuild goes.
Yep Cameron pretty well confirmed this today. We're still in development mode.
In saying that I have been surprised that Miller has received as many games as he has this year after wasting the spot on the rookie list.
That to me sent mixed messages. Fortunately they have now shelved that mistake.
you see this is an area we disagree on.
i dont have a problem in getting and playing the odd mature player. the only criteria id place on an older player is they perform to a high level and are up to the standard.oh and as long as we dont trade out of early picks to get them.
miller imo is not up to standard but he was a big body who seved a purpose for a short while. when one starts questioning the value to the team of a player especially older types to me its time to try someone else. but that does not automatically mean a mature player cant be important to us going forward.miller brings a big body and experience two things we have greatly lacked.people think we can select 22 kids and throw them in the deep end it just doesnt and cant work like that. its all about a proper balance while making youth the no 1 priority.
i have no doubt we will target more experienced type players even if only as stop gaps. and we should be doing it. at some stage in the near future we need to get a winning culture into the kids we do have to at some stage expect winning will take over from development.
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:thumbsup
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Smokey 58, I hardly call reacting negatively as fans to thirty years of having our pride dragged through the mud in big, season defining games a "knee-jerk reaction". This is a deeply ingrained problem within the club, and in the collective psyche of its' supporters whether you care to admit it or not. The meek capitulation against Melbourne a couple of weeks ago, when the prize for a win was right there on offer before the ball was even bounced, has been a typical, predictable Richmond reaction for too long. It seems whenever the focus of the football world is on us, we freeze like timid rabbits in the headlights. And the less said about the insipid performance against Carlton the better.
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stuff Richmond :banghead
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eff Richmond :banghead
Hey relax :wallywink just kick back , have fun trolling , and worry bout your own team mate
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eff Richmond :banghead
Hey relax :wallywink just kick back , have fun trolling , and worry bout your own team mate
Yes ;D
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YES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
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Are we going to bin tonight's game as well?! :whistle
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Are we going to bin tonight's game as well?! :whistle
I think we should just bin reviewing losses!!!!
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Are we going to bin tonight's game as well?! :whistle
nah bc it wont hurt as much - will be easier :rollin
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Not this week. Bin a few of the players but not the review. :-\
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Not this week. Bin a few of the players but not the review. :-\
:thumbsup :lol
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Not this week. Bin a few of the players but not the review. :-\
:thumbsup :lol
Up until the 20 minute mark in the 3rd qtr there was plenty of positives to show so you don't bin it completely
But agree with others - certainly a numbe ro players need binning immediately ;D
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thanks to another engagement l missed the game. Collingwood won by 117 pts ;D
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certainly a number of players need binning immediately ;D
Name 'em Powelly , and who replaces them
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Collingwood won by 117 pts ;D
stuff Collingwood !
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thanks to another engagement l missed the game. Collingwood won by 117 pts ;D
Just made the weekend worse >:(
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certainly a number of players need binning immediately ;D
Name 'em Powelly , and who replaces them
Look at my ins and outs for the Suns game Black :thumbsup
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With North getting smashed by 117 points yesterday Brad Scott isn't going to "bin-it!"
While Richmond coach Damien Hardwick last week declared he thought it futile to review the Tigers' 103-point belting by Carlton, Scott instead said he and North's other coaches would not ignore the result.
''Absolutely not. We will break this down to the nth degree. We need to spend a lot of time on this review and we'll study it in detail.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/disgraceful-concedes-scott-after-record-loss-20110710-1h8wg.html#ixzz1Rj29glC2p
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weeeell I reckon I can analyse our issues pretty, we got a 2nd year player we all expect to be a match winning veteren in Martin, we got first year players like conca, helbig, batchelor etc trying to slot in, and they just don't have the experience or the tanks to go the distance yet. All considered, they have done alright in the cold hard light of day and so have our veteren players who are desperately trying to carry the bulk of the load.
Why is that pie troll allowed in here? He is giving me the irritable bowel syndrome.
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Bombers at the G, of course I do.
They are one team we actually have the wood over. :gotigers
If we don't win though, I don't think we'll win again for the rest of the year.
BUMP :banghead
What is the best pick we can get this season? Adelaide could overtake us.
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3 fatal errors by the coach this year (apart from selection issues)
1. Preparation for Darwin
2. Selection of players that are notbased on merit
3. Bin the review for Carlton game
Season has unravelled and coaches are primarily to blame by providing poor off field decisions.
2011 major setback.
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3 fatal errors by the coach this year (apart from selection issues)
1. Preparation for Darwin
2. Selection of players that are notbased on merit
3. Bin the review for Carlton game
Season has unravelled and coaches are primarily to blame by providing poor off field decisions.
2011 major setback.
totally agree, its the same as 2006