One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Loui Tufga on July 06, 2011, 11:10:56 AM
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I am off tomorrow for 2 weeks R&R in Cairns. The trip has been based around the tigers match with plenty of fishing in between ;D
Just wondering who else from here is making the voyage??
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Only game of season 2011 I will be missing
Busiest time of the year work wise
actually glad I am not going ;D
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I'm heading up next Thursday morning. Staying at the Tradewinds in town.
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I admire the dedication of some of our fans! I travel to about 5 or six games a year from the border region and i think i am dedicated but for some to travel to places like Darwin, Cairns, Brisabane etc shows true committment to the club! :clapping
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There's gotta be a few members going, because I couldn't get a spare ticket for Mrs Muscles (Skunks supporter). I had to buy one from Ticket Direct for her. We're both going, but not sitting together unless I can organise something at the ground on the night.
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There's gotta be a few members going, because I couldn't get a spare ticket for Mrs Muscles (Skunks supporter). I had to buy one from Ticket Direct for her. We're both going, but not sitting together unless I can organise something at the ground on the night.
I just got GA tickets in hope it won't be to full and the kids can just run amuck on the hill.
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I admire the dedication of some of our fans! I travel to about 5 or six games a year from the border region and i think i am dedicated but for some to travel to places like Darwin, Cairns, Brisabane etc shows true committment to the club! :clapping
Or it shows I need some therapy
Seriously though, I plan the trips as soon as the fixture comes. I actually enjoy the interstate games but this year I just thought NOPE I just can't do all of them. Cairns was the one that got the NOPE vote
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Cairns is a stuffing shi†hole anyway :shh
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In april i was very close to booking a 2 weeks break incl. the game.
Glad I didn't. :thumbsup
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Be very tempting to hook the boat up behind the motorbike and drag it up to cairns... all I need is a boat...
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Be very tempting to hook the boat up behind the motorbike and drag it up to cairns... all I need is a boat...
I have a boat you can borrow :thumbsup I doubt the bike will tow it though ;D
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HA! me too I havn't got a trailer!
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Hot Cairns beckons AFL Tigers
Brad Thompson
Thursday, July 7, 2011
The Cairns Post
THEY might be more accustomed to playing in the icy winter of Melbourne, but Matthew White says the temperature in Cairns will pose no problem for the Richmond Tigers.
White was in Cairns yesterday – spruiking the Tigers’ chances for their match against the Gold Coast Suns on July 16 – and in the process, lapping up the chance to escape a wintry Melbourne.
"The weather’s nice and warm here, that's for sure," he said. And he said his Tigers teammates would have no difficulty adjusting from the sometimes single-digit temperatures of Melbourne, to what could be close to 30C in just over a week’s time at Cazalys Stadium.
"We have a heat chamber at the club – we set it up to about 28C with 60 per cent humidity and slave away on a stationary bike," he said. "Then we get out of there and go into the freezing cold Melbourne weather."
White was adamant it would have his side well prepared for the Suns, who would be markedly more used to the warmer conditions – but he was well aware the newly established side warrants plenty of respect.
"They’re the ultimate underdogs," he said.
"They have one of best players in the AFL, a lot of good young talent and you can never write them off. They’ve
almost pushed some really good sides to breaking point."
Last week, the Tigers were demolished by 103 points by Carlton, a painful reminder they are still not completely there as a finals side.
"We’re not really looking at finals per se, for us we’re about development, I think we’ve got a lot to learn," White said.
It was just a quick stop-off in Cairns for White, talking up the game and having a light-hearted kick with a number of keen local AFL juniors, before heading back to Melbourne to put his bid forward for a spot in the side.
Earlier in the season, a knee injury curtailed White’s emergence as a handy midfielder, playing just six of his 38-game career this season. But as he nears peak fitness, and the injury behind him, he was hopeful of squeezing his way into the side.
Heath Molloy, 13, who co-captains the North Cairns under-14 side, couldn't hide his excitement for the much anticipated AFL fixture in Cairns.
"It's good for Cairns and AFL, and will be great for the junior players," he said.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/07/07/172725_local-sport-news.html
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Let's hope they allow sufficient time this time to get prepared, unlike the Darwin debarcle.
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Let's hope they allow sufficient time this time to get prepared, unlike the Darwin debarcle.
they should Julz, they are gong up a day earlier and will do their training at the same time of the day that they will be playing on the Saturday
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Once bitten twice shy hey boys.
Live and learn and never take anything for granted.
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What's the deal with functions Richmond Offal mentioned on BF there would be one the night before/of. Details anyone?
I'm at Novotel, it's got a bar in the pool. Do they have that dye in pools these days? ;D
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Betfair have us overwhelming favourites for this game btw :-\
Richmond $1.15
Gold Coast $6.40
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No Ablett.
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On our current form we will lose this.
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Richmond set for historic Cairns AFL game
Andrew Piva
Monday, July 11, 2011
The Cairns Post
AS much as winning, Richmond midfielder Daniel Jackson says this week's AFL match against the Gold Coast in Cairns is about bringing the Tigers' young playing list closer together.
The Tigers arrive in the Far North on Thursday for Saturday's historic showdown with the Suns at Cazalys.
The clash, which is a Richmond home match, is the first regular-season AFL fixture to be played in Cairns and has been locked in as an annual event until 2013.
Jackson, who is part of the Tigers’ leadership group, said the club would use the trip as a bonding exercise.
"We’re a good travelling group. We get on really well, everyone’s really good mates and it’s actually good to get away as a team for a couple of days," he said.
"Funnily enough, some teams don’t like travelling that further distance. But for us the further away it is, the earlier you have to go up, the more time you have to spend together, the more fun we have and it seems the better we play."
Despite the inexperience of their roster, the Tigers remain in contention for this season’s top eight.
Jackson, who is averaging more than 20 disposals in 2011, said the Tigers wanted to evolve into a side capable of making it deep into September.
"There’s probably been a few games this year we’ve let slip that’ve cost us being in the eight right now," he said.
"But we’re young and developing. Our main aim this year is to make sure we’ve got some continuous improvement and that we’re always moving forward.
"Once we have a bit of experience and maturity all the excuses go out the door and it’s going to be about cementing that position in the top eight."
A portion of the Tigers’ large southern fan base is set to travel to Cairns for the game and Jackson expects the black and gold army to make their voices heard.
"It’ll be interesting to see what the crowd distribution is, but I’m yet to go to a place where there haven’t been more Richmond supporters," he said.
"And if there wasn’t more of them, they were certainly the loudest and most passionate ones."
The Tigers will hold a public training session at Cazalys from 2.30pm-3.30pm on Friday.
Tigers and Suns players will then be involved in a free AFL super clinic from 3.30pm-5.30pm.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/07/11/173355_local-sport-news.html
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Gary Ablett has been cleared of any major damage to his knee and is a chance to take on Richmond in Cairns this weekend if he can get through Wednesday's main training session unscathed.
http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/ablett-could-face-tigers-129733
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AFL site is tipping us by 33 points....
SUMMARY
Richmond has tumbled from finals contender to also-ran in recent times. Last weekend's defeat at the hands of Essendon was the Tigers' fourth loss in their past five games.
The poor result against the Bombers came after Richmond had led by 23 points in the third quarter. But the Tigers conceded the final 10 goals of the game, a fade-out that infuriated their fans.
The Suns continue to turn over their players as they try and settle on a squad for next season. They kicked only four goals against the Sydney Swans at Metricon Stadium in round 16, but a key reason for that was the knee injury suffered by their inspirational skipper Gary Ablett.
The star midfielder had to be subbed out of the match against the Swans, and he must regain his fitness if Guy McKenna's men are to have any chance of upsetting the Tigers.
This is the first meeting between Richmond and Gold Coast and also the first home and away game to be played at Cazaly's Stadium in Cairns.
QUESTION MARKS
Richmond has received an estimated $1,000,000 for selling its home fixtures against Port Adelaide and Gold Coast, but is the money worth it? Given the Tigers were beaten by the lowly Power in Darwin, and have been a shadow of their former selves in the weeks since, the policy is becoming harder to defend.
Can Gold Coast hold the Tigers to a respectable score? With Jack Riewoldt and Tyrone Vickery forming a dangerous duo in Richmond's forward 50, the Suns' tall defenders could be in for a tough afternoon. However, Gold Coast does have two in-form small defenders who will pounce if the ball hits the turf. Jarrod Harbrow collected 25 disposals against the Swans, while Joel Wilkinson showed promise with 17 possessions in just his third game.
PREDICTION
Richmond by 33 points
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118379/default.aspx
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Former greats in Cairns supporter function
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 12 Jul, 2011
Richmond fans in Cairns this weekend will have the chance to rub shoulders with Club royalty before the Tigers take on the Gold Coast.
Richmond’s North Queensland Supporters Group will host a function this Friday July 15, from 7-9pm, at the North Cairns Tigers Australian Football and Sporting Club, corner McNamara and Behan Streets, Manunda.
The event will be hosted by Richmond Team of the Century member Dale Weightman, with special guests including 1980 premiership players Michael Roach and Jim Jess, and AFL games record holder Michael Tuck.
A Richmond assistant coach will also be on hand to preview Saturday’s match at Cazaly’s Stadium.
There will be raffles, auction items and giveaways, finger food will be supplied, and drinks are at bar prices.
Bookings are essential. The cost is $20 per head.
To secure your place, contact Richmond Member and Supporter Services on 1300 RICHMOND.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/118408/default.aspx
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Richmond hot for Cazalys clash
Andrew Piva
Wednesday, July 13, 2011
The Cairns Post
EMERGING Richmond back-man Alex Rance doesn't believe the Far North's heat will cause his team many problems during Saturday's AFL clash against the Gold Coast at Cazalys.
Maximum temperatures have been hovering around the mid-teens in Melbourne this week, but the thermometer is expected to top 20 degrees in Cairns for Saturday afternoon’s match.
The Tigers lost to Port Adelaide in warm conditions in Darwin earlier this season, but Rance said the club would handle Cairns’ climate better.
"We didn’t adapt as well as we should have (in Darwin). It was a little bit greasier than we originally thought it would be," he said.
"It made it difficult to handle the ball, but I think definitely this time we’re going to be a lot more prepared for it.
"We sort of know what to expect and have a lot more mechanisms that we can use to combat things like the slipperiness."
The Tigers are also battling a form slump that has seen them drop their past two games against Carlton and Essendon.
Rance said the Tigers’ young playing group was focused on becoming a more consistent unit.
"We’re an improving side, but there are going to be hiccups," he said.
"The positives we have coming out of this season is that our game style does work when we execute it right. The defeats have been good in a way because you can always learn a lot more from your mistakes than you can from a win.
"It’s been a good year in terms of learning a lot, but we’d like to consolidate a bit more form."
The Tigers will be desperate for victory against the Suns to steady their faltering season.
"I think they’ve exceeded a lot of people’s expectations," Rance said of the Suns. ‘‘They’ve got some genuine superstars and it’s going to be a pretty tough match."
The Tigers will hold an open training session at Cazalys from 2.30-3.30pm on Friday. Following that, a free AFL super clinic featuring Tigers and Suns players will be run between 3.30pm and 5pm.
Tickets for the game are on sale from Cazalys Social Club, www.ticketdirect.com.au or by phoning 1300 798 550.
For more information visit cairns.aflq.com.au or call 4042 3000.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/07/13/173681_local-sport-news.html
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The event will be hosted by Richmond Team of the Century member Dale Weightman, with special guests including 1980 premiership players Michael Roach and Jim Jess, and AFL games record holder Michael Tuck.
Michael and Fay go to all the games Shane plays at senior level... :whistle
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GOLD Coast captain Gary Ablett appears set to play against Richmond on Saturday after running freely at training today.
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Maybe he can run freely into Tucks elbow if he plays ;)
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Maybe he can run freely into Tucks elbow if he plays ;)
That would cause a family ruckus for sure!
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The event will be hosted by Richmond Team of the Century member Dale Weightman, with special guests including 1980 premiership players Michael Roach and Jim Jess, and AFL games record holder Michael Tuck.
Michael and Fay go to all the games Shane plays at senior level... :whistle
Yep thought that too Gerk. He'll probably be selected this week. :thumbsup
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where do they get 20 degrees from. I think they are confusing cairns with Sydney
Mid 20's onwards more like it
Im starting to become worried about this one. We drop this and Dimma will find out just what Richmond supporters are really like.
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Michael and Fay go to all the games Shane plays at senior level... :whistle
That's true but this was arranged (Tucky Snr going to Cairns) back around the Darwin game & Tucky Jnr was playing in the seniors then.
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Im starting to become worried about this one. We drop this and Dimma will find out just what Richmond supporters are really like.
If he's been reading this forum or listening to the talkback wireless stations he'd already know ;D ;D
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Im starting to become worried about this one. We drop this and Dimma will find out just what Richmond supporters are really like.
If he's been reading this forum or listening to the talkback wireless stations he'd already know ;D ;D
We should beat GC even in Cairns.
I don't know why people are expecting more from Dimma. His only been in the job for 2 years. Plus I think next year is the key year to see how our 2009 draft kids go. Besides for the obvious Martin. Im talking more for our later pick players. Like Webberley, Nason and would say Taylor but we know how that has ended.
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Who will they put on Jack? Will laugh if its Karmichael Hunt.
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where do they get 20 degrees from. I think they are confusing cairns with Sydney
Mid 20's onwards more like it
that my first thought too but looking at the BOM site it's only getting into the low twenties
Im starting to become worried about this one. We drop this and Dimma will find out just what Richmond supporters are really like.
It's just as well not everyone realises this before they take the job on, or no potential coach would come within a mile of the club
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where do they get 20 degrees from. I think they are confusing cairns with Sydney
Mid 20's onwards more like it
that my first thought too but looking at the BOM site it's only getting into the low twenties
Im starting to become worried about this one. We drop this and Dimma will find out just what Richmond supporters are really like.
It's just as well not everyone realises this before they take the job on, or no potential coach would come within a mile of the club
Not many coaches have coached Richmond and gone onto bigger and better things either!
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Tom Hafey is in a Jeep commercial
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Power loss spurs Tigers
By Adam McNicol
Thu 14 Jul, 2011
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick says the Tigers learned a number of lessons when they lost to Port Adelaide in Darwin earlier this season, and he is confident the same mistakes won't be repeated when they meet Gold Coast in Cairns on Saturday afternoon.
The Tigers were on the verge of breaking into the top eight when they travelled to the Northern Territory to play the Power back in May.
But they suffered an upset 15-point loss and have enjoyed just one win - over the Lions in Brisbane - in the weeks since.
"What we learned from Darwin was that the conditions, the humidity, were the things we didn't handle overly well with our use of ball," Hardwick said at the ME Bank Centre on Thursday morning.
"So we've put a few things in place to try and rectify that. We're going up a day earlier to help with our preparation and so we can train on the ground.
"We'll have a couple of training sessions up there, so that should do the job for us."
"It's a change of scenery and a change or temperature - I think it's 26 up there today.
"So it will be good to get out of the Melbourne cold for a couple of days and we're looking forward to an exciting challenge.
Like the match in Darwin, Saturday's clash in Cairns is also a Richmond home game that the club has sold for a sizeable return.
But unlike the contest with the Power, which was played at night, this one will take place in the afternoon because Cazaly's Stadium doesn't have AFL-standard lights.
It means the heat will be an even bigger factor.
"We'll pick the fittest team we can and hope to run out the game at full strength," Hardwick said.
With Gary Ablett a strong chance to shake off his knee injury and line up for the Suns, the Tigers know the AFL's bottom side won't be a pushover.
"They're a young football club, but they're certainly exciting to watch," Hardwick said.
"They're a side I enjoy to watch to see how the young talent of this country is going. It's still an enormous challenge for us."
Richmond is desperate for a good showing after suffering big losses to Essendon and Carlton in recent weeks.
The 39-point loss to the Bombers came after the Tigers had led by 23 points during the third quarter.
"We just couldn't get our hands on the ball in the last quarter," Hardwick explained.
"I think at one stage the possession-count was 32-2, and the game was done and dusted from there.
"We just have to make sure we get our hands on the ball and drive the ball forward.
"One of the key indicators in games at the moment is time spent in your forward half.
"One of the funny things is that we actually won that key indicators stat but a number of their goals came over the back because of our poor defensive set-up.
"So we learned a few things out of the weekend's game. As much as you can, you try and learn something from the bad results that you have."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/118513/default.aspx
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For those living in or heading up to Cairns for the game....
OPEN TRAINING: The boys will be training at Cazaly's Stadium from 2.30pm tomorrow (Friday) in Cairns and will be signing autographs.
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Sportal preview:
While both sides are experiencing moderate form, Richmond goes in as warm favourites by virtue of current ladder position and depth across the board.
This really looks the ideal game for the Tigers to find some much needed confidence after the poor losses to Carlton and Essendon in the past fortnight.
But Gold Coast will see it as a golden chance to end their eight match losing run and the Suns do boast a couple of hometown products in Jarrod Harbrow and Charlie Dixon.
Any hope the Suns have of notching win No.3 of the season rest on the knee of skipper Gary Ablett. If Ablett isn't fit, Gold Coast won't have enough to contain a Tigers line-up containing some match-winners in Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin.
Richmond needs to take heed of the lessons learned by their Darwin disaster early in the season to handle what will be warm conditions in the Far North Queensland afternoon sun. As for a prediction, look for Riewoldt to exploit the Suns' inexperienced defence and kick eight in a convincing victory.
Tigers by 32 points.
Read more at: http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/preview-richmond-v-gold-coast-130089
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Gold Coast really believe that they can win this one, their desperate to get Ablett into the game. We are a side that they think they can take down because of mental and physical weaknesses. We are going to have to be right on the ball to win this one, lets hope the coaching staff have the side primed and ready for action. This is a must win game for us, no excuses.
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Im starting to become worried about this one. We drop this and Dimma will find out just what Richmond supporters are really like.
What's that?
Patient, loyal, forgiving, willing to sit through 30 years of poo and still fork over their cash every year.
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Richo and Leppitsch preview the Gold Coast match:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/371972/roar-preview-round-17/
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Im starting to become worried about this one. We drop this and Dimma will find out just what Richmond supporters are really like.
What's that?
Patient, loyal, forgiving, willing to sit through 30 years of poo and still fork over their cash every year.
This is why it peees me off every time someone dares to call us "bandwagoners".
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BrownE, Conca and Postie living the high life in Cairns ;D
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg738/scaled.php?tn=0&server=738&filename=1ekl.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
http://yfrog.com/ki1eklj
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Gold Coast really believe that they can win this one, their desperate to get Ablett into the game. We are a side that they think they can take down because of mental and physical weaknesses. We are going to have to be right on the ball to win this one, lets hope the coaching staff have the side primed and ready for action. This is a must win game for us, no excuses.
Is it bad to hope that Ablett does a career threatening injury if they do rush him back in, thinking that they have to throw everything at us, and presuming we are easybeats? :-\
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BrownE, Conca and Postie living the high life in Cairns ;D
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg738/scaled.php?tn=0&server=738&filename=1ekl.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
http://yfrog.com/ki1eklj
That's funny. I don't think Posty is in Cairns.
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Is it bad to hope that Ablett does a career threatening injury if they do rush him back in, thinking that they have to throw everything at us, and presuming we are easybeats? :-\
Hell no soldier.
That thought is your Tiger Birthright.
Let it be :thumbsup
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BrownE, Conca and Postie living the high life in Cairns ;D
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg738/scaled.php?tn=0&server=738&filename=1ekl.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
http://yfrog.com/ki1eklj
Post is smoking crack and he sits like a big girl
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Although it will be Richmond's home game, Harbrow is hopeful the majority of locals will turn out in Gold Coast colours.
"The contract [to three games in the area] that we've got with Richmond for the next three years is massive for Cairns and Far North Queensland," he said.
"It's only going to expand the game. It means everything. I'd love to play up here as often as I can."
The weather forecast for the game is for isolated thunderstorms and a maximum temperature of 26 degrees, but Harbrow doesn't believe his team will gain any advantage over the Tigers who have been playing and training in the cold Melbourne winter.
Gold Coast skipper Gary Ablett will lead the team against Richmond after passing his final fitness test on Friday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118663/default.aspx
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Tigers warm up for Suns with heat chamber
Darren Cartwright
July 16, 2011
AAP
Richmond have used a heat chamber in an attempt to avoid a second half fade-out in their historic AFL clash with Gold Coast in Cairns on Saturday.
Richmond's rebounding half back Brett Deledio said the side used the heat chamber at least six times in the past fortnight to try to acclimatise to the warmer than usual winter playing conditions.
The Bureau of Meteorology is predicting a high of 26 and showers in Cairns on Saturday, which is 10 degrees warmer than Melbourne where the Tigers are based.
Deledio said the Tigers' training program has centered around aerobic work and has been slightly more intense than the lead-up to their 15-point loss to Port Adelaide in the stifling Darwin humidity in May.
On that occasion, the Tigers led by nine points at halftime, but faded in the final two quarters and were outscored six goals to 10 by the lowly Power.
The loss was put down to Port's ability to handle the extreme conditions much better.
"We've spent probably three sessions this week in the heat chamber and last week as well, to try and get ready for the different climate," Deledio told reporters on Friday.
"It's to get used to the humidity and we were on the (training) bikes.
"We had one twenty minute session and two thirty minute sessions (each week).
There have been pre-season AFL matches played at Cazaly Stadium over the past decade, but the Tigers-Suns clash is the first for premiership points.
Richmond have committed to playing one home game against the Suns at the venue until 2013.
The financially stricken club has been criticised for giving up their distinct home ground advantage and transferring games to Darwin and Cairns, especially after they lost to the Power.
Deledio said the Tigers had not only learned from the loss to Port Adelaide but needed to avenge their last quarter capitulation to Essendon last week.
"We were in the game up until three quarter time and we didn't fight it out," he said.
"You have to learn from your mistakes but we did a lot right for three quarters."
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/tigers-warm-up-for-suns-with-heat-chamber-20110715-1hhqw.html
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All about tigers in paper up here. Pretty overcast this morning, shouldn't affect game too much.
Had kick on ground yesterday, nice surface but very spongy
Would advice not too much bouncing and if balls short will skid though, even more so if light shower
Which is possible.
Anyway we will toast this mob on the ground just like we have
In the media up here!
GO TIGERS
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Tigers warm up for Suns with heat chamber
Darren Cartwright
July 16, 2011
AAP
Richmond have used a heat chamber in an attempt to avoid a second half fade-out in their historic AFL clash with Gold Coast in Cairns on Saturday.
Richmond's rebounding half back Brett Deledio said the side used the heat chamber at least six times in the past fortnight to try to acclimatise to the warmer than usual winter playing conditions.
The Bureau of Meteorology is predicting a high of 26 and showers in Cairns on Saturday, which is 10 degrees warmer than Melbourne where the Tigers are based.
Deledio said the Tigers' training program has centered around aerobic work and has been slightly more intense than the lead-up to their 15-point loss to Port Adelaide in the stifling Darwin humidity in May.
On that occasion, the Tigers led by nine points at halftime, but faded in the final two quarters and were outscored six goals to 10 by the lowly Power.
The loss was put down to Port's ability to handle the extreme conditions much better.
"We've spent probably three sessions this week in the heat chamber and last week as well, to try and get ready for the different climate," Deledio told reporters on Friday.
"It's to get used to the humidity and we were on the (training) bikes.
"We had one twenty minute session and two thirty minute sessions (each week).
There have been pre-season AFL matches played at Cazaly Stadium over the past decade, but the Tigers-Suns clash is the first for premiership points.
Richmond have committed to playing one home game against the Suns at the venue until 2013.
The financially stricken club has been criticised for giving up their distinct home ground advantage and transferring games to Darwin and Cairns, especially after they lost to the Power.
Deledio said the Tigers had not only learned from the loss to Port Adelaide but needed to avenge their last quarter capitulation to Essendon last week.
"We were in the game up until three quarter time and we didn't fight it out," he said.
"You have to learn from your mistakes but we did a lot right for three quarters."
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/tigers-warm-up-for-suns-with-heat-chamber-20110715-1hhqw.html
IF they get beat, forget about the heat chamber, it will be the GAS CHAMBER.LOL
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:lol
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No scrappy 15-25 point wins for me. Either win by 10goals or lose to keep it real and in perspective.
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No scrappy 15-25 point wins for me. Either win by 10goals or lose to keep it real and in perspective.
Preferably a loss for my multi. I have afew expenses that Id like to sought ;D
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No late changes to either side.
Conca is the sub.
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Cotch goal
Rich 2.3-15
GC 0.1-1
10 mins in
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Cotch another :gotigers
Rich 21
GC 1
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Tiges with the breeze. 14 mins Q1
Jacko long 55m out for a point.
Rich 23
GC 1
Jack kicked the first goal btw.
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Grigg good tackle gets holding the ball 75m out. Then gets 50m for protected area. Goal :gotigers
Rich 29
GC 1
Cotch on fire.
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Jacko out of the centre to Grigg to Lids who goes long over the head of Martin for a point.
Newy marks the kick-in. 70m out :o. Goal :gotigers
Rich 36
GC 1
SEN saying it's a 6 goal breeze.
Inside 50s: 15 - 6
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Jacko gets the clearance again by the kick is marked by McKenzie on HB which sets up a coast to coast goal by the Suns. Jack didn't chase.
Rich 36
GC 7
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Our forwards are continually playing behind :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Rance punched a ball that was going out on the full ???.
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GC turnover. Jack chips it to Cotch 52m out. Goal :gotigers
Rich 42
GC 8
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Free to Browne gives to Nahas a chain of handballs gets to Houli who goes long 70m out for a point.
Rich 43
GC 8
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Another point to us :P
Rich 44
GC 8
That's 14 shots to 3
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1/4 time
Richmond 6.8-44
Gold Coast 1.2-8
Goals: Cotchin 3, Riewoldt, Newman, Grigg
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Possies:
Nahas 13
Grigg 11
Cotch 9 + 3 goals
Houli 9
Lids 8
Edwards 8
Foley 7
Jacko 6
Newy 6
McGuane 5
Rance 5
King 4
Jack 4
Batch 3
Martin 3
Vickery 3
Griffiths 2
Thursty 2
Helbig 1
Browne 1
White 1
Conca 0 (sub)
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Still not a game to get excited about score wise, I would be assessing the individual match ups in particular who is playing on Ablett.
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We'll have to wait to half-time and see how we go against this strong breeze before judging the first qtr.
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Goal to Suns in first minute ::)
Rich 44
GC 14
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Dodgy free against us ::)
Another Suns goal
Rich 44
GC 20
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Another goal to Suns.
Rich 44
GC 26
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50m to the Suns. Lucky it's a point
Rich 44
GC 27
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Jacko gets a free. Kicks to Houli who drops the mark but he collects goes long to Jack. Whitey collects 20m directly in front but goes around the body and misses everything :banghead
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This quarter is exposing our dumbness and poor footskills :banghead
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Another Suns goal.
Rich 44
GC 34
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Time to embrace the horror :gobdrop
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5.2 to nil this qtr :P
Rich 44
GC 40
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Newy finds Jack on a nice lead. Should have been 50m of course no we don't get it. Point.
Rich 45
GC 40
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This quarter is exposing our dumbness and poor footskills :banghead
I'm sure the do gooders on this forum will suggest we have nothing to worry about
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Suns in front. We look stuffed already.
Rich 45
GC 46
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Our workrate is disgusting.......
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This quarter is exposing our dumbness and poor footskills :banghead
I'm sure the do gooders on this forum will suggest we have nothing to worry about
No HRT you have got it all wrong, its the umpires causing the Suns to be in front.
We lose this we will be the biggest joke in the AFL, even bigger than Port cause we actually have money and we still put up this rubbish
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one word
we are HOPELESS
Jake King hasnt been sighted for 6 weeks, Coburg bound at this rate.
Extremely disappointing
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This quarter is exposing our dumbness and poor footskills :banghead
More the decision making ....
that and how stupid we are in playing blokes who are either not match fit or carrying injuries
Fair dinkum Jack can barely run :banghead
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They are giving us a learn in workrate and run. Pathetic Richmond!
Half-time
Richmond 6.8 6.9-45
Gold Coast 1.2 7.6-48
Goals: Cotch 3, Jack, Newy, Grigg.
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Embarassing! 34 points up at quarter time and then to only kick one point against the bottom team to be down by 3 at half time. Not happy Jan!!!! :banghead
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This quarter is exposing our dumbness and poor footskills :banghead
More the decision making ....
that and how stupid we are in playing blokes who are either not match fit or carrying injuries
Fair dinkum Jack can barely run :banghead
Jack shouldn't be playing injured ::). Same old same old. The only people dumber than some of our players is those off-field who have no idea!
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This quarter is exposing our dumbness and poor footskills :banghead
More the decision making ....
that and how stupid we are in playing blokes who are either not match fit or carrying injuries
Fair dinkum Jack can barely run :banghead
Jack is seriously hurt.
Jogging around on the spot, never noticed it. Nathan Bock is going with him on the lead.. Jack is injured.
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If I were coaching against us, i'd tell the guys to let Edwards, Jackson, Nahas ... have the ball as much as they'd like, then sit back and wait for the turnover.
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I want to kill Tony Shaw.
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Jack shouldn't be playing injured ::). Same old same old. The only people dumber than some of our players is those off-field who have no idea!
Seriously Jack is clearly carrying an injury. When he tries to sprint his speed equals jogging pace. Couple with that he doesn't seem to have any jump
White, is clearly lacking match fitness after missing 3 weeks
and there's another one out there who's really stuggling as well, who seems to have padding on the area that was listed as the reason he was out injured last week...staggering stuff ::) :-\ :banghead
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Ok, so I predicted 14th on the ladder at years end...could be lower, honestly people we are bad, win lose or draw this.....we are bad.
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Jack shouldn't be playing injured ::). Same old same old. The only people dumber than some of our players is those off-field who have no idea!
Seriously Jack is clearly carrying an injury. When he tries to sprint his speed equals jogging pace. Couple with that he doesn't seem to have any jump
White, is clearly lacking match fitness after missing 3 weeks
and there's another one out there who's really stuggling as well, who seems to have padding on the area that was listed as the reason he was out injured last week...staggering stuff ::) :-\ :banghead
White should never have got a game
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Embarassing! 34 points up at quarter time and then to only kick one point against the bottom team to be down by 3 at half time. Not happy Jan!!!! :banghead
Was actually expecting it Julz with the wind and the fact we only kicked 6.8 when we should have been around 10.4
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On a side note Andrew Swallow is an effing gun
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Possies:
Grigg 18
Houli 18
Nahas 16 .... just 3 touches that qtr
Lids 14
Martin 13
Newy 13
Edwards 12
Cotchin 11 ...just 2 touches that qtr
McGuane 11
Foley 10
Jacko 10
Rance 10
Helbig 9
Batchelor 8
King 7
Reiwoldt 6
Vickery 5
White 4
Griffiths 3
Browne 3
Thursfield 3
Conca 0 (sub)
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Somebody needs to have a chat to our lazy midfield.
Set ups are very poor also!
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Helbig 9 possesions
4 have been straight to the opposition , lace up
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Helbig 9 possesions
4 have been straight to the opposition , lace up
yes a very disappointing game so far, that pass to Luke that resulted in a turnover was a shocker and that muppet Campbell said it was all because of McGuane's error :gobdrop :gobdrop
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Ok, so I predicted 14th on the ladder at years end...could be lower, honestly people we are bad, win lose or draw this.....we are bad.
Unfortunately we are going to finish higher than our list suggests :P. We are a bottom side.
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Big qtr needed..
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Good 2nd effort by Jack and found Foley for a goal. Couldn't beat Bock on the lead tho.. he's not right.
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Foley puts us back in front :gotigers
Rich 51
GC 48
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Browne hands off to Newy for a point.
Rich 52
GC 48
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Damn points!!!! arrgghhh :banghead :banghead :banghead
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We've got the breeze and players one-on-one up forward and we are kicking short :banghead
Another point to us.
Finally actually hit Jack on the lead. Another Point :scream.
Rich 54
GC 48
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Hopefully that was nothing more then a bad qtr and we smash them from here.
Nothings more confidence building going into a game against geelong(next week) then a big win the week before.
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Ok, so I predicted 14th on the ladder at years end...could be lower, honestly people we are bad, win lose or draw this.....we are bad.
Unfortunately we are going to finish higher than our list suggests :P. We are a bottom side.
Dead right mate, unfortunate but true. If we are not in front by 40 points at 3 qtr time expect a flogging.
We have to suffer two comprimised drafts and it will take another 5 years before we actually show promise. By then GWS and GCS should be playing finals.... :banghead
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Points are costing us :banghead
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1 goal 5 So far this quarter
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Make that 1 goal 7 >:(
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Somebody needs to have a chat to our lazy midfield.
Set ups are very poor also!
Here, here!
Yeah WP, I thought the wind might go against us but I expected us to still be competitive
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Gold Coast are $3.90 for a win get on them we are Gone.
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Points are costing us :banghead
So is having and average bunch of players in our team..
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They were $10 at quarter time!
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No forward structure, no game plan.
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Kicking points haven't cost us this match its the lack of intent.
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Jack nice soccer back and King goals :gotigers
Rich 64
GC 50
Q3 24 mins
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2 more :pray
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Kicking points haven't cost us this match its the lack of intent.
Bingo!
Since the Essendon dreamtime win it seems we believed the media and our own press and the intensity has been poor since.
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Poor kick to Jack but he gets the free. Stop being an idiot Robbo the free was there.
Jack's routine is not there today. Just kicking casually off 3 steps.
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Jack should of been subbed off.
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Is it still as windy?
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3/4 time
Richmond 6.8 6.9 8.16-64
Gold Coast 1.2 7.6 7.9-51
Goals: Cotchin 3, Reiwoldt, King, Foley, Newman, Grigg
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Kicking points haven't cost us this match its the lack of intent.
Bingo!
Since the Essendon dreamtime win it seems we believed the media and our own press and the intensity has been poor since.
Aint that the truth....always been our problem!!!! It's the cancer.
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Is it still as windy?
According to SEN yes. Gold Coast wanted that qtr closed down and we obliged :P.
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Ok, so I predicted 14th on the ladder at years end...could be lower, honestly people we are bad, win lose or draw this.....we are bad.
Unfortunately we are going to finish higher than our list suggests :P. We are a bottom side.
we are the Bottom Victorian Club , thats a fact
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Yeah WP, I thought the wind might go against us but I expected us to still be competitive
Agree Julz, but against the wind they just tried to limit the damage rather attacking = dumb footy
This qtr 2.8 = likely to cost us
Muppets on Fox are saying the wind is still 4-5 goals
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game plan is terrible, we have strong wind and we go sideways and backwards and slow the game down :banghead :banghead :banghead
Get Malthouse I say !!!!!!
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I want to lose every single game for the year and have the place explode so the dead wood peees off
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One could claim we are tanking... ???
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Possies:
Grigg 26
Lids 24
Houli 23
Nahas 21
Newy 21
Martin 18
Newman 17
Edwards 16
Cotchin 14
Foley 14
Riewoldt 14
McGuane 13
Jackson 12
Batchelor 10
King 10
Helbig 9
Thursfield 8
White 8
Griffiths 7
Vickery 6
Browne 4 (subbed off 3rd qtr)
Conca 3 (subbed on 3rd qtr)
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One could claim we are tanking... ???
We should!
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game plan is terrible, we have strong wind and we go sideways and backwards and slow the game down :banghead :banghead :banghead
Get Malthouse I say !!!!!!
Do you honestly think that's how they've been told to play - you are kidding yourself
Rather than blaming the coach; which has always bee the Richmond way and a cop out, blame the players
Far too many players gone missing again and playing for themselves rather than the team IMHO
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13 points to defend, 23 mins to go
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One could claim we are tanking... ???
We'd be more likely to win if we did!
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12 points in front....
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Blame the list manager(s) who have no idea how to rebuild a list by not going for priority picks in recent years :whistle
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Will Thursfield's efforts (read lack of) are disgraceful at times, why he is there instead of Post beggars belief IMO
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11 points up now. 7 mins Q4
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Get ready to embrace the horror :'(
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Suns goal
Rich 64
GC 59
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face palm
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Might as well lose. Nothing gained by winning this one.
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Here we go :P
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Are we going to bin this game as well?! :whistle
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Goneski :banghead :banghead :'(
Terrible decision that point
Very very poor effort by Deledio
FTF - over
My care factor - ZERO :banghead
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Time for Dimma to show no mercy
Bin the players Dimma, the usually suspects
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Another one
Game over
Shame Tigers Shame :banghead :banghead
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Another Suns goal.
No run, no care-factor!
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rock bottom
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Can't really do much else but laugh. :help
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Ugh....
Well on the positive side, we all had time to apply the lubricant
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Are we going to bin this game as well?! :whistle
Probably. And yet again, we'll learn NOTHING from it.
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Jack is playing injured Robbo because the Club won't rest him ::).
Game Over!
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C'mon guys might not be a great game but a win is a win. Hopefully we grind this out and get back infront.
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Sick of this poo....
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Utterly embarassing
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Guys like Jackson should NOT get another game for this club EVER
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Gary March wants another 3 years after his current term :lol who gave Craig Cameron a 5-year contract as head of our footy dept and list manager :lol. It's easy to blame the coach and dud players but the poor decision-making is made higher up the club and the effects flow through.
Nahas gets one back.
70 - 78
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Gary March can lick my ring
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C'mon guys might not be a great game but a win is a win. Hopefully we grind this out and get back infront.
what for?? 2/3 of the list must go. Still alot more building to do.
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Worst team ever. Spooky weak minded dogs with no leadership skills.
I'm enjoying watching them embarrass themselves.
I've not known a more insipid group.
stuff these idiots.
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Bin the game
Bin the team
Bin the rebuild
Bin the FTF
Bin the history
Bin the club
A 31 year joke that gets funnier each year.
Benny Gale should change 3-0-75 to 0-6 million debt and 40K members.
3 goals since quarter time to a group of kids. We should be ashamed.
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Disgraceful. Maybe Jack needs a spell in Coburg?
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Coaches are idiots
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Start the delist thread afresh, and tee off.
Weak effort for the jumper. Effing imposters.
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Sealer! :P
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ever thought the club sells these games to bottom out, bad decisions & bad selections, bogus injuries is all a big screen so that we are in the box seat come draft time. This is where the club is at. It will take us another 5 years to catch up to other clubs
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Can any of our players take a mark?
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Disgraceful. Maybe Jack needs a spell in Coburg?
The big Coleman medalist :rollin
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I don't want to hear Dimma say we'll have to improve.
I want to hear we have no leadership.
We have no direction.
As a club we fooled all our fans again and we have got what we wanted a couple of million dollars and 47K members. We're sorry but we fooled you again.
Club has lost all my respect in the last 3 weeks over all they built up in the first 13.
They can keep their FTF.
Geelong can beat us by 157 points again. I don't care.
May as well spend the 1 milllion they have earnt selling games in FNQ.
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I'm sure the do gooders would think that the sky is not falling in. Kidding yourselves folks. We are playing as badly as rounds 1-7 last year. And we can't blame tired bodies surely? The players are only part of the problem, the entire off field team must right now be held to account for what is being delivered from the president to the boot stuffer. Too much boys club about our club and far too comfortable with mediocrity.
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Gary March wants another 3 years after his current term :lol who gave Craig Cameron a 5-year contract as head of our footy dept and list manager :lol. It's easy to blame the coach and dud players but the poor decision-making is made higher up the club and the effects flow through.
Nahas gets one back.
70 - 78
Yep, its easy to blame the coach
reason being the game plan stinks,
Dimma has lost the plot
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Final Score:
Richmond 6.8 6.9 8.16 9.16-70
Gold Coast 1.2 7.6 7.9 12.13-85
Goals: Cotchin 3, Reiwoldt, King, Foley, Newman, Grigg, Nahas
3 goals to 11 after 1/4 time says it all.
Schwarz saying we've gone backwards this year ::). How can you go backwards from being a bottom side Ox. We are just a bottom side with the worst list along with Brisbane in the AFL. You were saying we had improved only 6 weeks ago ::).
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Worst team ever. Spooky weak minded dogs with no leadership skills.
I'm enjoying watching them embarrass themselves.
I've not known a more insipid group.
eff these idiots.
I agree...been a horrible month ,been a horrible decade.Laughing stock of AFL.
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I don't want to hear Dimma say we'll have to improve.
I want to hear we have no leadership.
We have no direction.
As a club we fooled all our fans again and we have got what we wanted a couple of million dollars and 47K members. We're sorry but we fooled you again.
Club has lost all my respect in the last 3 weeks over all they built up in the first 13.
They can keep their FTF.
Geelong can beat us by 157 points again. I don't care.
May as well spend the 1 milllion they have earnt selling games in FNQ.
Dimma=no idea
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Final Score:
Richmond 6.8 6.9 8.16 9.16-70
Gold Coast 1.2 7.6 7.9 12.13-85
Goals: Cotchin 3, Reiwoldt, King, Foley, Newman, Grigg, Nahas
3 goals to 11 after 1/4 time says it all.
Schwarz saying we've gone backwards this year ::). How can you go backwards from being a bottom side Ox. We are just a bottom side with the worst list along with Brisbane in the AFL. You were saying we had improved only 6 weeks ago ::).
we have gone backwards
EXACTLY like 2006
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Disgraceful. Maybe Jack needs a spell in Coburg?
Julz - Jack shouldn't be playing, he is clearly carrying an injury, can't run flat out, can't jump... Bock isn't qucik and he easily made ground on Jack ... Jack's been injured for weeks and we persist with playing him
Our season is shot to bits now
Time to stop playing all the blokes who are injured and book them in for their surgeries and play whoever's left and try and increase their trade value
And Benny Gale you need to have good hard look at yourself, you SOLD these 2 games, the board backed you, we've backed you and we get dished up this CRAP
Dont want to hear anymore excuses
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I don't understand why everyones so upset. That's what happens when you expect to win.
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Disgraceful. Maybe Jack needs a spell in Coburg?
Jack needs a spell for the rest of the year. He's not fit.
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No the team is doing fine.
This time last year we had 5 wins.
We are doing real good.
We have a great bunch of leader in Lids, Martin, Cotch, Jack
A ruckman of dexterity who inspires fear in Browne and Graham.
Yep we are great.
I still think Dimma is the man to take us forward. I just think the list needs a minimum of 10 changes.
2013 may seem a bit optimistic for finals.
I want Wallace head on a stake.
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No the team is doing fine.
This time last year we had 5 wins.
We are doing real good.
We have a great bunch of leader in Lids, Martin, Cotch, Jack
A ruckman of dexterity who inspires fear in Browne and Graham.
Yep we are great.
I still think Dimma is the man to take us forward. I just think the list needs a minimum of 10 changes.
2013 may seem a bit optimistic for finals.
I want Wallace head on a stake.
dont think Dimma is the man
Game plan is poor, way too many short kicks in D50
Smashed in clearances by kids
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I'll like to hear Dimma come out and put the players on notice that this wasn't an acceptable performance and back it up at the selection table for next weekend.
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I would have been better off having my nanna nap & watching "Gone with the Wind" than this rubbish. Sick of these sold games coming back to bite us. Hello - 4 premiership points reaps more = happy supporters = more money for the club. No point in raking the $$$$ if everyone, including the supporters lose respect fkr the club.
I'm shattered >:(
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No the team is doing fine.
This time last year we had 5 wins.
We are doing real good.
We have a great bunch of leader in Lids, Martin, Cotch, Jack
A ruckman of dexterity who inspires fear in Browne and Graham.
Yep we are great.
I still think Dimma is the man to take us forward. I just think the list needs a minimum of 10 changes.
2013 may seem a bit optimistic for finals.
I want Wallace head on a stake.
As I said season is shot book in those who need surgery and keeping playing those who despite how much it will frustrate us who may have some value at the trade table.
As for those who have no currency especially after today CYA and don't let the door hit you on the way out
Agree re Dimma, prepared to cut him some slack because over the first 10 rounds of the season we were showed what could be when all the ducks are lined up
The fact we have players who refuse to follwo team rules and play for themselves when things get tough is more a reflection of those players than the coach IMHO
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Schwarz saying we've gone backwards this year ::). How can you go backwards from being a bottom side Ox. We are just a bottom side with the worst list along with Brisbane in the AFL. You were saying we had improved only 6 weeks ago ::).
we have gone backwards
EXACTLY like 2006
You're overrating the players and 85% of the list. We have barely VFL standard footballers making up most of the side and list. Along with Brisbane we have the worst list in the AFL by miles and by far the dumbest footballers in the AFL. Many little leaguers know more about the basic principles of footy than our guys. We need help from the AFL as was suggested last year. We can't turn over the list as fast and by as much as we need to do to get us out of this hole. People say make changes. What changes? Who is going to come in from Coburg today who is part of our future and make a difference? Lucky to find anyone! :help
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we are the same as 2006, so how can you say we are going places :banghead
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Todays performance makes the 3 - 0 - 75 campaign a joke. We are a bottom side and most likely will be next year if we don't step up big time over the off-season this summer.
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Nahas - Average after a good first quarter
Grigg - No comment
Cotch - Great first and then very little
Houli - No comment
Lids - Average performance actually poor performance for what he can produce
Edwards - No comment
Foley - Average at best
Jacko - No comment
Newy - Very poor performance IMHO
McGuane - Average performace others were worse and thats saying something
Rance - tries hard has had better days but others were worse on the day
King - No comment
Jack - Injured and shouldnt be playing why risk him?
Batch - Good for a 1st year player
Martin - Nowhere today
Vickery -Average but only coz he contributed at times in the ruck, poor otherwise
Griffiths - Very good first quarter, nothing afterwards
Thursty - Did what he could, very average performance
Helbig - 1st year kid still learning. Cant expect more
Browne - No Comment
White - No comment
Conca - Contributed when he came on and did some ok things.
Overall just disgraceful.
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we are the same as 2006, so how can you say we are going places :banghead
Who is saying we are going places? Re-read my post.
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If this was a one-off shocker, I'd wait until tomorrow to calm down, and then post. But if our "efforts" against Melbourne, Carlton and Essendon weren't bad enough, this was, and it deserves all the rage it will no doubt get. Seriously, to think that we were "finals contenders" 3-4 weeks ago... Port Adelaide must now feel threatened for bottom spot. Utterly DISMAL performance, for the 4th week in a row.
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Mini-me's netball team play better than the Tigers - and they have won 3 straight Grand Finals!
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the lack of heart and guts across the board is stuffing frightening.
Lack of talent is a close second.
If Browne plays again Hardwick can go stuff himself.
Smug little accountant turd.
Some things he CAN control and picking the team is ONE of them.
His selections suggest he has NFI.
stuffing essendon loser.
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Todays performance makes the 3 - 0 - 75 campaign a joke. We are a bottom side and most likely will be next year if we don't step up big time over the off-season this summer.
The whole campaign was a joke from the beginning - u simply do not set public goals like this.
Next year when we're still skata these comments will b in the papaper every week - heat on hardwick and club will come bigtime
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Schwarz saying we've gone backwards this year ::). How can you go backwards from being a bottom side Ox. We are just a bottom side with the worst list along with Brisbane in the AFL. You were saying we had improved only 6 weeks ago ::).
we have gone backwards
EXACTLY like 2006
You're overrating the players and 85% of the list. We have barely VFL standard footballers making up most of the side and list. Along with Brisbane we have the worst list in the AFL by miles and by far the dumbest footballers in the AFL. Many little leaguers know more about the basic principles of footy than our guys. We need help from the AFL as was suggested last year. We can't turn over the list as fast and by as much as we need to do to get us out of this hole. People say make changes. What changes? Who is going to come in from Coburg today who is part of our future and make a difference? Lucky to find anyone! :help
in amongst all the hand wringing and blaming game at last a post that is correct. we are littered with glass half fulls we have easily20 to turn over. our kids in the main have proven nothing but are already on pedestals and the majority of seniors are crap.
and people think we have gone backwards what a joke, we have done what we always do beat a few ordinary sides the ferals get excited for a little bit but the lack of talent means we invariably fall back to mediocrity.
oh and just a bit of a defense for hardwick. id like to see any other coach in the land get the abundance of hacks that we have playing consistent footy. in fact what he does at the end of the season off field rather than any results on field will determine for me weather hes the right man for the job.
he can recognise he does not have the cattle and many of those we do have has to go. he can actually continue to do the hard yards, or he can do a wallace back in sub standard players and go nowhere.
it would be easy for them to say we can only go up and will improve, much harder to be honest and say there could well be more of the same next yr as we continue to cut and work out who can take us forward.
when hardwick took over the time frame was never going to be 2 or 3 yrs but more like 7 or 8. i honestly thought most of us who have seen it all for 30 yrs understood this but obviously with all the wrist slashing thats going on most have been living in cuckoo land.
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dont anyone mention ''our kids ""
Look at Gold Coast ::)
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dont anyone mention ''our kids ""
Look at Gold Coast ::)
they're already better than us and the gap will widen as their far superior talent base will develop a lot more than ours.
Its a hopeless situation - seriously what hope does this footy club have of ever being a serious player?
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dont anyone mention ''our kids ""
Look at Gold Coast ::)
they're already better than us and the gap will widen as their far superior talent base will develop a lot more than ours.
Its a hopeless situation - seriously what hope does this footy club have of ever being a serious player?
I dont think we will be able to be better than Gold Coast for at least 5 years probably longer. This generation of tiger players of some substance at least those with some ability like Martin and Cotchin will be lost just like Richo and Knights etc.
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dont anyone mention ''our kids ""
Look at Gold Coast ::)
they're already better than us and the gap will widen as their far superior talent base will develop a lot more than ours.
Its a hopeless situation - seriously what hope does this footy club have of ever being a serious player?
I dont think we will be able to be better than Gold Coast for at least 5 years probably longer. This generation of tiger players of some substance at least those with some ability like Martin and Cotchin will be lost just like Richo and Knights etc.
now thats a great point
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Martin has gone backwards since his Brisbane game.
Cotch is in and out of the game.
Lids is becoming lazy.
Jack is injured and as a result petulent.
Our middle tier players would be handy players running around in the ammos.
No ruckman.
No future key talls in defence.
Smashed in contested possessions.
Psychologically smashed and unable to raise a hand in defiance and pride.
Off field spectacular dreams and promises that have answers and time frames 3 or four years in the future.
Been listening to this since Miller in 2003 when he said we expect to be a finalist in 2007.
Club needs to change its culture its philosophy. Maybe eat em alive was fine in a by gone era but we need to establish something for the future. Can't keep living on the bygone past because the recent history the present and the future is grim. Club is in disarray on the field and Benny has to accept and come out and admit the job is greater than what we thought it was 2 years ago let alone 2 months ago. Reassessments required. Need some honesty from the club right now rather than philosophy fantasy and parody.
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Going by twitter Hardwick was very short at his post match presser.
Be interesting to read what he said.
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Just got back from the game. I was sitting just behind the bench.
The third quarter killed it for us. As a team, we are not fit enough to run out the games. Cotch was done in about halfway through the third quarter, same with Axel, Jacko and the other mids. We didn't run as hard as the Suns in both directions. In the 3rd, it looked like we thought the wind (which was worth 5-6 goals) would win it for us. Too many of our mids were just jogging along, while GC were running harder in both directions.
Just like the last three games, the opposition was more intense at the ball - faster and wanted it more, especially around the stoppages.
Why we never had players starting off the back of the centre square at bounces when the Suns had the wind, I'll never know. Also, our setup around stoppages in the defensive half needs a lot of work. It was too easy for the Suns to create space.
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ban the players from Twitter would be a start to change of culture
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If this was a one-off shocker, I'd wait until tomorrow to calm down, and then post. But if our "efforts" against Melbourne, Carlton and Essendon weren't bad enough, this was, and it deserves all the rage it will no doubt get. Seriously, to think that we were "finals contenders" 3-4 weeks ago... Port Adelaide must now feel threatened for bottom spot. Utterly DISMAL performance, for the 4th week in a row.
Is that avatar you, Dizza?
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Going by twitter Hardwick was very short at his post match presser.
Be interesting to read what he said.
Why ?
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If this was a one-off shocker, I'd wait until tomorrow to calm down, and then post. But if our "efforts" against Melbourne, Carlton and Essendon weren't bad enough, this was, and it deserves all the rage it will no doubt get. Seriously, to think that we were "finals contenders" 3-4 weeks ago... Port Adelaide must now feel threatened for bottom spot. Utterly DISMAL performance, for the 4th week in a row.
Is that avatar you, Dizza?
It is. Was on Ch10, Round 1 last year.
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Going by twitter Hardwick was very short at his post match presser.
Be interesting to read what he said.
Here's a snippet
You know (deep breath) and I'll keep emphasise with the group that we need to play out games.
It's bitterly disappointing for the footy club and its supporters if we keep dishing up up performances like that. (deep breath)
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too much spin
its not about playing out games Dimma
Its how you play the game.
Go and watch the Pies or the Cats and see how they play, hard fast footy
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All but about 5 who post on this site are living in la la land.
Claw has made more sense in the last 2 years than everyone else put together including veterans like WP.
Talk of the rebuild is over, we are on the way up are the most funniest things over read since the tanned one was in charge.
How can you possibly expect to win with these 10 duds getting walk up starts in our 22.
No one with half a brain can honestly expect without a shadow of a doubt that we would beat GC today. I know i didnt!!
I slapped a nice amount on GC in the 3rd at 3/1. Baby seat paid for.
Dimma has had a poor month but he needs to stay for 3 years at the least to see it through. We need to see if he can coach. the issue is if he cant we would possible let go a golden opportunity to get Malthouse.
Can he coach time will tell but we have gone backwards in 12 months?
My biggest concerns are our tackle count is down so players are not listening to him, he still recruits players who cant kick and Conca "the hidden gem" is too short IMO to be the player we all hope he will be. At best he will be a back pocket player. Waste of a pick said it from day one.
IMO the biggest mistake he made is to come to a club like RFC with no experience in his coaching team. Not all clubs need experience but RFC does.
The sooner some of you get it in your head that we wont be making finals for at least 2-3 years the better you will feel.
I feel good now. Free baby seat means more than expecting our pathetic team would win.
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We are a joke. To many pedestrians.
Swing the axe on mediocrity.
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Will Thursfield's efforts (read lack of) are disgraceful at times, why he is there instead of Post beggars belief IMO
Totally agree, we couldn't have played any worse having Post there.
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Thank the stuffing lord I am in Zambia.
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too much spin
its not about playing out games Dimma
Its how you play the game.
Go and watch the Pies or the Cats and see how they play, hard fast footy
Agree Jack but what else does he say to the media? I hope he has crack behind closed doors! I refuse to open his email this week it as they full of cliched crap i am afraid!
The Cats and $10 bets do play hard and fast footy because they have hard and fast footballers! We don't, unfortunately!But I'd like to see us try to at least!
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All but about 5 who post on this site are living in la la land.
Claw has made more sense in the last 2 years than everyone else put together including veterans like WP.
Talk of the rebuild is over, we are on the way up are the most funniest things over read since the tanned one was in charge.
How can you possibly expect to win with these 10 duds getting walk up starts in our 22.
No one with half a brain can honestly expect without a shadow of a doubt that we would beat GC today. I know i didnt!!
I slapped a nice amount on GC in the 3rd at 3/1. Baby seat paid for.
Dimma has had a poor month but he needs to stay for 3 years at the least to see it through. We need to see if he can coach. the issue is if he cant we would possible let go a golden opportunity to get Malthouse.
Can he coach time will tell but we have gone backwards in 12 months?
My biggest concerns are our tackle count is down so players are not listening to him, he still recruits players who cant kick and Conca "the hidden gem" is too short IMO to be the player we all hope he will be. At best he will be a back pocket player. Waste of a pick said it from day one.
IMO the biggest mistake he made is to come to a club like RFC with no experience in his coaching team. Not all clubs need experience but RFC does.
The sooner some of you get it in your head that we wont be making finals for at least 2-3 years the better you will feel.
I feel good now. Free baby seat means more than expecting our pathetic team would win.
Conca, now there is an interesting topic.
Overated and went before Heppell ::)
Is too small
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Francis Jackson, mmmmmmmmmmm
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Francis Jackson, mmmmmmmmmmm
Craig Cameron LMFAO HAHA
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If this was a one-off shocker, I'd wait until tomorrow to calm down, and then post. But if our "efforts" against Melbourne, Carlton and Essendon weren't bad enough, this was, and it deserves all the rage it will no doubt get. Seriously, to think that we were "finals contenders" 3-4 weeks ago... Port Adelaide must now feel threatened for bottom spot. Utterly DISMAL performance, for the 4th week in a row.
Is that avatar you, Dizza?
It is. Was on Ch10, Round 1 last year.
Fair gobful your giving! Although it was warranted!
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just watched Dimmas press conference
said the Gold Coast were too good. ::)
( werent we 6 goals up ).
Also said that we deliberatedly slowed the game down in the 3rd quarter quote, we wanted to hold onto the ball.
Sorry, we needed fast transition footy Dimma :banghead
Dimma, your not the answer son,
You havent the ability to get the club to go forward, sorry
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If he told the players to deliberately slow down the play then it shows a major lack of understanding. Very disappointing IMHO. Very disappointing. I was hoping he would do well as a coach but his reputation preceded him and he hasnt lived up to it to this point. I've been disappointed with some of his comments re jackson and edwards amongst other things, maybe this job was just too hard for Damien Hardwick.
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If this was a one-off shocker, I'd wait until tomorrow to calm down, and then post. But if our "efforts" against Melbourne, Carlton and Essendon weren't bad enough, this was, and it deserves all the rage it will no doubt get. Seriously, to think that we were "finals contenders" 3-4 weeks ago... Port Adelaide must now feel threatened for bottom spot. Utterly DISMAL performance, for the 4th week in a row.
Is that avatar you, Dizza?
It is. Was on Ch10, Round 1 last year.
Fair gobful your giving! Although it was warranted!
From memory it was an Eddie Betts free kick that wasn't there. Eddie Betts + Bad Umpiring = Me not happy!
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If he told the players to deliberately slow down the play then it shows a major lack of understanding. Very disappointing IMHO. Very disappointing. I was hoping he would do well as a coach but his reputation preceded him and he hasnt lived up to it to this point. I've been disappointed with some of his comments re jackson and edwards amongst other things, maybe this job was just too hard for Damien Hardwick.
Thats what I am thinking.
Club is at fault as well.
Bombers put inexperienced coach in and ""prop" him up with Bomber Thompson.
Who has Dimma got
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All but about 5 who post on this site are living in la la land.
Claw has made more sense in the last 2 years than everyone else put together including veterans like WP.
Talk of the rebuild is over, we are on the way up are the most funniest things over read since the tanned one was in charge.
How can you possibly expect to win with these 10 duds getting walk up starts in our 22.
No one with half a brain can honestly expect without a shadow of a doubt that we would beat GC today. I know i didnt!!
I slapped a nice amount on GC in the 3rd at 3/1. Baby seat paid for.
Dimma has had a poor month but he needs to stay for 3 years at the least to see it through. We need to see if he can coach. the issue is if he cant we would possible let go a golden opportunity to get Malthouse.
Can he coach time will tell but we have gone backwards in 12 months?
My biggest concerns are our tackle count is down so players are not listening to him, he still recruits players who cant kick and Conca "the hidden gem" is too short IMO to be the player we all hope he will be. At best he will be a back pocket player. Waste of a pick said it from day one.
IMO the biggest mistake he made is to come to a club like RFC with no experience in his coaching team. Not all clubs need experience but RFC does.
The sooner some of you get it in your head that we wont be making finals for at least 2-3 years the better you will feel.
I feel good now. Free baby seat means more than expecting our pathetic team would win.
well done on the baby seat Dan.
This thread is hilarious. So many people so irate at the loss as if we were ever a chance to win.
I haven't expected to win in over 10 years. My weekends are so much better with that mindset. ( although I still HATE losing to Carlscum).
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Our defence did not have the confidence when the pressure mounted to make the required risks to move the ball on quickly. This is a combination of incompetence and inexperience. This will improve over time but how do you instill confidence in the younger players in the backline while removing the poor/average defenders. Even when Grimes, Astbury and/or Moore returns it will take 'time' for them to get used to playing together and gain that confidence. At the moment though, our fear of failure is becoming our biggest reason for failure of all.
Our midfield is too young, too reliant on too few, too weak. Cotchin can not do it alone and at the moment he is. Dusty isn't a consistent performer at 19, Foley too small to fight out a season at the bottom of packs and Jackson an athlete not a footballer. Conca will make it as a dangerous outside player initially, inside player later. His size will make little difference - no more than it does/did for Harvey, Mitchell, Cousins, etc. We can't wite off anyone after one season. Helbig will join the group but it all comes down to time, Time, TIME!!! God I hate waiting withour garentees :banghead
I have been so disappointed over the last 3 weeks but the person I'm most angry at is the Board - 2 games we would have won sold. The moneys great for the club, but has &^%$#% our momentum and any chance we had to finally make finals this year. :nopity
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I am the general manager of a sporting organisation.
If my organisation produced an unacceptable performance then I would demand someone be held accountable for it.
That does't mean sack the coach but it does mean analysis of every aspect of the organisation and hard questions asked of everyone in it.
If you allow poor performances to become acceptable then they become the norm.
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At the moment though, our fear of failure is becoming our biggest reason for failure of all.
Great post Stripes agree wholeheartedly. I highlighted the part about fear of failure because it is a disease that has haunted us during the frawley/wallace era and quite frankly the foul stench of it has hit our club once again. Under TBR's formula, if anyone should be held accountable for this it is the coaching department.
People on OER are highlighting 10-12 players from our best 22 who should automatically be delisted and it is hard to argue against them. They have been poor. But guess what folks, you can't cut more than half of the firsts in one season. We are stuck with them. They just have to improve. It's our only hope. Just imagine, if collectively the groups confidence improved, 6-8 of these marked men could rescue their careers. Can Hardwick do it? (I am strongly tending towards no on that question) The coaching team are massively under scrutiny right now imo.
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I am the general manager of a sporting organisation.
Really? It hope it's not the Melbourne Tigers, who look like they are trying out a Washington Generals type line up this season.
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There was a thread about it not to long ago but maybe we need to look at getting an out of contract assistant coach over the off-season.
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Our defence did not have the confidence when the pressure mounted to make the required risks to move the ball on quickly. This is a combination of incompetence and inexperience. This will improve over time but how do you instill confidence in the younger players in the backline while removing the poor/average defenders. Even when Grimes, Astbury and/or Moore returns it will take 'time' for them to get used to playing together and gain that confidence. At the moment though, our fear of failure is becoming our biggest reason for failure of all.
Our midfield is too young, too reliant on too few, too weak. Cotchin can not do it alone and at the moment he is. Dusty isn't a consistent performer at 19, Foley too small to fight out a season at the bottom of packs and Jackson an athlete not a footballer. Conca will make it as a dangerous outside player initially, inside player later. His size will make little difference - no more than it does/did for Harvey, Mitchell, Cousins, etc. We can't wite off anyone after one season. Helbig will join the group but it all comes down to time, Time, TIME!!! God I hate waiting withour garentees :banghead
I have been so disappointed over the last 3 weeks but the person I'm most angry at is the Board - 2 games we would have won sold. The moneys great for the club, but has &^%$#% our momentum and any chance we had to finally make finals this year. :nopity
Generally agree with all of this, however, Jackson isnt an athlete either. The guy is as slow as a wet week and wouldn't win a sack jumping contest at a paraplegic fete.
The guy, whos supposedly our primary tagger, had 2 tackles yesterday in 120 minutes of football. TWO! Couldn't tag a loaf of bread. Delist immediatley.
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Pics from yesterday's game:
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There was a thread about it not to long ago but maybe we need to look at getting an out of contract assistant coach over the off-season.
David King is free.
;D
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Dean Laidley is the one people were asking to bring in to help Hardwick.
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This thread is hilarious. So many people so irate at the loss as if we were ever a chance to win.
I haven't expected to win in over 10 years. My weekends are so much better with that mindset. ( although I still HATE losing to Carlscum).
There in lies the problem. We're just so used to losing that we just accept dismal performances week in, week out because we've come to expect it. It's a losing culture that needs to change!
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This thread is hilarious. So many people so irate at the loss as if we were ever a chance to win.
I haven't expected to win in over 10 years. My weekends are so much better with that mindset. ( although I still HATE losing to Carlscum).
There in lies the problem. We're just so used to losing that we just accept dismal performances week in, week out because we've come to expect it. It's a losing culture that needs to change!
problem is dizza we've had promise after promise with no result. It's a virus that has been there since 1984.
I thought it might be frawley our last coach to bring us finals. But it wasn't to be. I thought it might be Wallace but we found him out 6 months in he was full of it. We now have Hardwick and the ONLY thing I remember him saying when he arrived was "IF YOU CANT WIN YOUR OWN BALL YOU CANT PLAY IN THIS JUMPER!".
I dunno but his selection criteria has changed somewhat.
It's a culture that needs a blowtorch to it. Burned up and eradicated. I don't see anyone doing this.
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This thread is hilarious. So many people so irate at the loss as if we were ever a chance to win.
I haven't expected to win in over 10 years. My weekends are so much better with that mindset. ( although I still HATE losing to Carlscum).
There in lies the problem. We're just so used to losing that we just accept dismal performances week in, week out because we've come to expect it. It's a losing culture that needs to change!
problem is dizza we've had promise after promise with no result. It's a virus that has been there since 1984.
I thought it might be frawley our last coach to bring us finals. But it wasn't to be. I thought it might be Wallace but we found him out 6 months in he was full of it. We now have Hardwick and the ONLY thing I remember him saying when he arrived was "IF YOU CANT WIN YOUR OWN BALL YOU CANT PLAY IN THIS JUMPER!".
I dunno but his selection criteria has changed somewhat.
It's a culture that needs a blowtorch to it. Burned up and eradicated. I don't see anyone doing this.
Dimma also said no more gifted games, well well well :banghead :banghead
How does Jackson and White get games then
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I agree with so many posters and their posts but the holes in our list are so palpable its not funny.
That's why blokes like White Jackson Edwards Browne etc get games week in week out.
Just a bit of hindsight for a second before we return back to our ranting Dimma game plan has gone to poo because we don't have the cattle on the park good enough to carry it out.
Yeah sure I agree the club is garbage poo brothel bent over and rammed up the anus but that aint Dimma's fault its the previous admin who has f a r k e d us and the off field team currently who are getting their tax breaks running the club. Craig Cameron is a Melbourne reject who is clearly incapable of scraping together an adequate list of footballers.
I see Martin in the last month and Martin in the first 30 games and the kid looks like he has been bereft of confidence is going backwards and has forgotten the basics of footy. Something is fishy at the club behind the iron curtain currently we just can't go from one level of intencity to another so soon................
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This thread is hilarious. So many people so irate at the loss as if we were ever a chance to win.
I haven't expected to win in over 10 years. My weekends are so much better with that mindset. ( although I still HATE losing to Carlscum).
There in lies the problem. We're just so used to losing that we just accept dismal performances week in, week out because we've come to expect it. It's a losing culture that needs to change!
problem is dizza we've had promise after promise with no result. It's a virus that has been there since 1984.
I thought it might be frawley our last coach to bring us finals. But it wasn't to be. I thought it might be Wallace but we found him out 6 months in he was full of it. We now have Hardwick and the ONLY thing I remember him saying when he arrived was "IF YOU CANT WIN YOUR OWN BALL YOU CANT PLAY IN THIS JUMPER!".
I dunno but his selection criteria has changed somewhat.
It's a culture that needs a blowtorch to it. Burned up and eradicated. I don't see anyone doing this.
Dimma also said no more gifted games, well well well :banghead :banghead
How does Jackson and White get games then
and how does Rejects like Hislop and Miller get brought off our rookie list?? We except rubbish players. We except below par performance. This mentality has obviously crept into Hardwicks thinking. He may have had great ideals but the virus is effecting his judgement now.
I reckon he should sit and have a coffee with Paul Roos. Maybe take a copy of the list with him. Roos will let him know who's up to it or not. New perspective a reality check from different eyes.
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Learn to spell
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Weather no issue: Grigg
By Jason Phelan
Sun 17 Jul, 2011
RICHMOND onballer Shaun Grigg has dismissed the warm and gusty conditions in Cairns as a factor in the Tigers' 15-point loss to Gold Coast.
The game was the first of a lucrative three-match deal the club signed to play home games in Far North Queensland that has drawn criticism after the Suns upset Richmond on Saturday.
Coach Damien Hardwick bristled when it was suggested after the match that the result could have been a lot different if played in Melbourne, and Grigg agreed.
"The warm conditions or the wind shouldn't be a factor," Grigg said.
"There's no doubt that we haven't been playing the sort of footy that we know we can.
"We can play good footy for a half or so, but in the AFL that's not good enough."
The small stadium allowed the strong wind from the south to have a huge influence on the contest. with 19 of the 21 goals scored at the end favoured by the breeze.
The Tigers used the wind to their advantage in the first quarter and opened up a 36-point lead, but could not stop the Suns scoring freely in the second term. Although that saw Richmond surrender its lead at half-time, it was the third quarter that proved pivotal.
"We didn't really take our opportunities in the third term when we had the wind and, credit to Gold Coast, they were able to suck some time off the clock and use the ball pretty well," Grigg said.
"We knew we had to score to win in the last quarter, so we tried to keep playing our way and try to lock the ball in our forward half, but we weren't able to."
The loss was Richmond's sixth in its last seven games, which led Hardwick to suggest his team had lost its 'mojo'.
Grigg was thankful for a little extra time to regroup before facing Geelong at Etihad Stadium.
"We've got an eight-day break now so we'll have the opportunity to get an extra session in work hard to turn this around," he said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/118724/default.aspx
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I have been so disappointed over the last 3 weeks but the person I'm most angry at is the Board - 2 games we would have won sold. The moneys great for the club, but has &^%$#% our momentum and any chance we had to finally make finals this year. :nopity
Firstly: Incorrect direction of blame here - blame the CEO for the selling of the games, it was Benny's call & benny's recommendation to the board, he admitted it today on 3AW. Rightly in this case the board backed their new CEO on this call.
Let's not foget that we all have said the Benny appointment has been a good one for the Club and the Board have backed all his recommendations thus far, which is what one expects for 1st year CEO who understands the comp. The CEO would have convinced them that it was the right decision from a financial perspective which must be their main focus when you are carryng a $4mil debt. And in light of Benny's comment today (again on 3AW) that the Footy Dept backed his recommensation as well the Board was always going to sign off on it.
Secondly, stripes it would appear you are like a lot of us (me inlcuded) in that you were "seduced" by some good wins against Freo & Essendon and got your hopes up about finals.... that hope isnt' in a way the Clubs fault that's "Our" fault for getting sucked up in the frenzy... Go back to the start of the year and if you hoesntly thought we were a chance for finals then I understand your disaapointment & frustration. Personally I've come to relaise that I didn't expect finals I just wanted to see us improve, granted the last 4 games have been diabolical but right at the monent when I am absolutely honest with myself the win/loss columns are about where i expected them to be before the season started
Finally, as I said after witnessing the disaster that was the Darwin game the harsh reality & bottom line is good teams win wherever & whenever they are fixtured to play. Blaming the the club for selling the games is an easy "get out of jail card" for the players & the coaches. Simply we are not a good team and all the last 4 games has highlighted is that we still have a bloody long way to go before we are
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Darwin was a debacle given our preparation but the selling of games is a cop out. WGAF.
We lost to GC, end of story. Location matters very little. No excuses we should've won that anywhere. Facts are when teams play us they get excited as they know there a real chance, always has been the case always will be. We are the joke of the AFL
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spot on daniel
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Firstly: Incorrect direction of blame here - blame the CEO for the selling of the games, it was Benny's call & benny's recommendation to the board, he admitted it today on 3AW. Rightly in this case the board backed their new CEO on this call.
I referred to the board generally because I didn't wish to individualise the blame. I believe Benny is doing a great job and is trying everything in his power to make us financially competitive. Despite the ability of the team, selling the games took away any advantage we would have gained playing in a Melbourne. Both sold games were to venues where conditions were foreign and detrimental to our normal game style. In retorspect this was a mistake regardless of the revenue raised. I'm glad Benny has taken responsibility for this.
Secondly, stripes it would appear you are like a lot of us (me inlcuded) in that you were "seduced" by some good wins against Freo & Essendon and got your hopes up about finals.... that hope isnt' in a way the Clubs fault that's "Our" fault for getting sucked up in the frenzy... Go back to the start of the year and if you hoesntly thought we were a chance for finals then I understand your disaapointment & frustration. Personally I've come to relaise that I didn't expect finals I just wanted to see us improve, granted the last 4 games have been diabolical but right at the monent when I am absolutely honest with myself the win/loss columns are about where i expected them to be before the season started
Interestingly my response on these boards despite my frustration has been fairly measured (well at least compared to most it seems :-X). I have never said that I blame the club or board for our current onfield woes. In fact most of our problems I feel are completely developmental. Confidence is built on success, repetition and understanding. Our young players just need to be continually educated individually, allowed consistency of role/position and understanding of how their team-mates play around them.
The Board has made a mistake but ultimately it is a minor error in the scheme of things. Our currently slump is more due to the age of the list and holes in our structure than our coaches or board. Many supporters aren't willing to accept this preferring to point the finger at individuals but unfortunately the answer is not that simple or easy to correct. If it was then after all the coaches we have sacked over the journey we would be the best club in the league by now :thumbsup
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You are gagging if you think selling games wasn't the right thing to do.
Were we ever going to win the Flag this year?
Were we ever going to do any more than maybe scrap into 8th?
Selling the games has kicked a million dollars into the kitty, not selling them probably means we are a million+ short as we would've lost money on the 2 games.
Simple fact is we need more cash to have the resources to compete with the Collingwoods of the comp.
Not many better ways to make easy cash than by selling a game like that, it is not the issue, the issue is the poor performance of the players whether on the MCG against Carlton and Essendon or in Darwin or Cairns.
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Spot on TBR.
In a twisted kind of way, the fact that we have lost the two games we sold highlights the bloody reason we sold them in the first place. We deperately need to strengthen the footy department.
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:yep
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people obviously dont watch the Dogs or the Kangas play
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The suggestion that we need to bolster the Football department is an admission that our coaching panel is not up to it.
How much money do the Roos have in their football dept? I bet it's less then ours.
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yet we beat the roos, who also lost by 100 + points in wet conditions
go figure.
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Kangas are a poor example, get smashed by top teams and will continue to finish mid range cause they can't afford not to.
They have as bright a future as the Thinking Man's Orange Tim Fleming.
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The suggestion that we need to bolster the Football department is an admission that our coaching panel is not up to it.
How much money do the Roos have in their football dept? I bet it's less then ours.
Kangas were senstaional tonight, irrelevant of the result ( yes they won )
More importantly, they had a CRACK !!!
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Kangas are a poor example, get smashed by top teams and will continue to finish mid range cause they can't afford not to.
They have as bright a future as the Thinking Man's Orange Tim Fleming.
at least they have a crack,
Pity our mob didnt
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What about the week before?
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You are gagging if you think selling games wasn't the right thing to do.
Were we ever going to win the Flag this year?
Were we ever going to do any more than maybe scrap into 8th?
Selling the games has kicked a million dollars into the kitty, not selling them probably means we are a million+ short as we would've lost money on the 2 games.
Simple fact is we need more cash to have the resources to compete with the Collingwoods of the comp.
Not many better ways to make easy cash than by selling a game like that, it is not the issue, the issue is the poor performance of the players whether on the MCG against Carlton and Essendon or in Darwin or Cairns.
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Agree
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You are gagging if you think selling games wasn't the right thing to do.
Were we ever going to win the Flag this year?
Were we ever going to do any more than maybe scrap into 8th?
Selling the games has kicked a million dollars into the kitty, not selling them probably means we are a million+ short as we would've lost money on the 2 games.
Simple fact is we need more cash to have the resources to compete with the Collingwoods of the comp.
Not many better ways to make easy cash than by selling a game like that, it is not the issue, the issue is the poor performance of the players whether on the MCG against Carlton and Essendon or in Darwin or Cairns.
Absolutely. :clapping
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You are gagging if you think selling games wasn't the right thing to do.
Were we ever going to win the Flag this year?
Were we ever going to do any more than maybe scrap into 8th?
Selling the games has kicked a million dollars into the kitty, not selling them probably means we are a million+ short as we would've lost money on the 2 games.
Simple fact is we need more cash to have the resources to compete with the Collingwoods of the comp.
Not many better ways to make easy cash than by selling a game like that, it is not the issue, the issue is the poor performance of the players whether on the MCG against Carlton and Essendon or in Darwin or Cairns.
Why stop at two games then? I'm happy to bring in more financials and thought the on sell of games was a good idea as a revenue raiser but it was an undeniably poor decision in terms of team success. I'm usually far more concerned with long term development but when people start to claim that the club's decision to move these games had no bearing on the result of the two contests then this is when I have a hard time accepting this. Whatever way you want to dress it up we sold those results to GC and Port for money, if not as a forgone conclusion, then certainly in a nice gift wrapped box. All advantage we would of had was stripped away by the foreign venue and conditions and while both opposition teams had to endure the same circumstances, they were conditions we would not of had to worry about if we had played in Melbourne.
Once again I understand the rationale behind the on-selling of games to help our long terms financial future, but please don't try and tell me it didn't hurt our chance of success during the encounters.
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Can't agree Stripes. If we had played with even a modicum of purpose and desire then we would have both games easily regardless of the venue.
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All advantage we would of had was stripped away by the foreign venue and conditions and while both opposition teams had to endure the same circumstances, they were conditions we would not of had to worry about if we had played in Melbourne.
Once again I understand the rationale behind the on-selling of games to help our long terms financial future, but please don't try and tell me it didn't hurt our chance of success during the encounters.
I have never been in favour of selling games, go back to when the draw came out and you'll find I made my views on it very very clear
However, I still reckon people saying if the games were played in Melb we would have won is a massive cop out.
Facts are it would not have mattered one iota where the games was played; if we dished up the crap we've dished up in these 2 games we would have still been beaten. Blaming the venue/conditions is a massive cop out IMHO, biggest "get out of jail card" you can give any team.
Yesterday when the game was on the line the Suns wanted it more, we had too many passengers and no one prepared to stand up and drag us to the line... that isn't the fault of Cairns or Darwin that is our biggest glaring weakness
And BTW if we our mindset was such that playing an interstate home game was going to "hurt our chance of success during the encounters" then we have bigger problems than the gapping holes in our list
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Can't agree Stripes. If we had played with even a modicum of purpose and desire then we would have both games easily regardless of the venue.
I'm not saying the venue was the only, or even, the main reason we last in both games but it is undeniable detrimental to the overall outcome. I hate the fact that we feel we have to hurt our on-field chances just to help our off-field bottom-line. Such a frustrating ferry-go-round that many other clubs just don't seem to need to ride.
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I have never been in favour of selling games, go back to when the draw came out and you'll find I made my views on it very very clear
However, I still reckon people saying if the games were played in Melb we would have won is a massive cop out.
Facts are it would not have mattered one iota where the games was played; if we dished up the crap we've dished up in these 2 games we would have still been beaten. Blaming the venue/conditions is a massive cop out IMHO, biggest "get out of jail card" you can give any team.
Yesterday when the game was on the line the Suns wanted it more, we had too many passengers and no one prepared to stand up and drag us to the line... that isn't the fault of Cairns or Darwin that is our biggest glaring weakness
And BTW if we our mindset was such that playing an interstate home game was going to "hurt our chance of success during the encounters" then we have bigger problems than the gapping holes in our list
We're really arguing semantics here WP. I agree with almost all of what you said. I stated early in the thread that I don't believe the venue was the only reason or even the main reason for our losses but I believe it is impossible to argue that the venue took away any advantage we may have had and in fact was negating to our normal strengths.
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We're really arguing semantics here WP. I agree with almost all of what you said. I stated early in the thread that I don't believe the venue was the only reason or even the main reason for our losses but I believe it is impossible to argue that the venue took away any advantage we may have had and in fact was negating to our normal strengths.
That maybe true stripes but at the end of the day it was a neutral venue so it was up us take make it our venue and utilise our strengths and we didn't.
6.8 in the 1st qtr is what killed us. If we are truly honest here we should have been 10.4 or 11.3 at the end of the 1st. TBH at 6.8 the arguemnt could be we had them by the throat and we let it slip and we reaped what we sowed
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We're really arguing semantics here WP. I agree with almost all of what you said. I stated early in the thread that I don't believe the venue was the only reason or even the main reason for our losses but I believe it is impossible to argue that the venue took away any advantage we may have had and in fact was negating to our normal strengths.
That maybe true stripes but at the end of the day it was a neutral venue so it was up us take make it our venue and utilise our strengths and we didn't.
6.8 in the 1st qtr is what killed us. If we are truly honest here we should have been 10.4 or 11.3 at the end of the 1st. TBH at 6.8 the arguemnt could be we had them by the throat and we let it slip and we reaped what we sowed
All true and if we had of won both games we would have been heralding the decision but we didn't and the slippery conditions in Darwin and wind in Cairns was enough to tip our fragile team over. Basically the venue had a negative bearing on the result. Now whether those two results would have had any bearing on our chances to make a finals appearance this year and whether if conditions such as these can make such a difference we therefore deserve that opportunity, is a whole other story but the effect was the same.
I'm not arguing that we should have won both games and it shouldn't have mattered where or when we played either team...but it did.
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But Stripes, you still haven't shown how it hurt us or changed the result. We played crap and crap at the 'G' or Etihad or Marrara or Cairns is just that - crap. We even had the majority of the crowd on our side in Darwin so we can't play the "nineteenth man" card either. Did playing in Melbourne make a difference to the way we played vs Carlton or Essendon?
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But Stripes, you still haven't shown how it hurt us or changed the result. We played crap and crap at the 'G' or Etihad or Marrara or Cairns is just that - crap. We even had the majority of the crowd on our side in Darwin so we can't play the "nineteenth man" card either. Did playing in Melbourne make a difference to the way we played vs Carlton or Essendon?
You're right smokey. If we had of served up what we did against Carlton we would have lost regardless of the venue but the venue's, while not the exclusive reason, we contributing factors to both our losses. If we were a good team we would have adapted and won regardless but as a young, mentally fragile and inconsistent team, we couldn't.
In Darwin we could not handle the slippery conditions and did not prepare adequately for them like our opponents did. Our game is a highly skilled and pace style where quick and, most importantly, clean ball use can cut opponents to pieces. From the start of the game we were fumbling the ball, dropping easy marks, crumbing and lost our link up play. Subsequently we lost the confidence to play our normal game. Port were better prepared and used to the venue having played their before, using gloves and training in the same conditions before the game. The conditions were no shock to them. If we were a stronger team the conditions would have been less of an influencing factor but for us they were enough to tip us off our game.
Similarly in Cairns, the conditions magnified our weaknesses and highlighted GC. The strong wind game us a great start with our long kicking to contests breaking the game apart but when the tide was turned our backline was serverly exposed. In particular our backlines ability to run the ball out of defence and have the confidence to take risks. Our inexperienced defenders were fearful of losing the game in the 2nd and 3rd quarters instead of trying to win it. Gold Coasts defence had no such fear and were far more experienced than our own. They had nothing to lose. As soon as I saw they had rested Hunt, I knew they believed they had a real chance against us and this would be a huge challenge for a Tiger side who was even younger than themselves.
As I have stated, the venue was not the only reason for the loss - far from it, but it was undeniably a contributing factor and may well have been a factor large enough to make a difference to both results.
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Maybe we should sell a game like the one coming up this week!
At least we will be thousands of klms when we get a hole rubbed into us! The crowd will be down this week so financially it wont hurt us!
I understand the theory behind selling games, it just hurts me to see it happen! I still believe however that the best way to become financially sound is to have sustained success on the field! I hope :pray that selling games does that and we never have to do it again. I want to be able to hang it on my North mates again for prostituting themselves!
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I have no doubt that it was that little three week road trip that killed our season. One week in the tropics, then off to Sydney, can't get a flight back because of the volcanic ash, so we have a 12 hour bus trip (which is a great bonding excercise apparently, because the team just looks so united doesn't it?) Then it's off to Brisbane.
Meanwhile the Magpies just continue to take a lazy stroll from Gosch's paddock to the G every week.
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I have no doubt that it was that little three week road trip that killed our season. One week in the tropics, then off to Sydney, can't get a flight back because of the volcanic ash, so we have a 12 hour bus trip (which is a great bonding excercise apparently, because the team just looks so united doesn't it?) Then it's off to Brisbane.
Meanwhile the Magpies just continue to take a lazy stroll from Gosch's paddock to the G every week.
i lol'd at the bus trip part of your post :lol
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What about the week before?
at least they bounced back, we dont bounce at all, we are like a squashed marshmellow
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"Highlights" from the Cairns game:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/372874/tiger-takes-round-17/
No MRP reports either.
Contact between Gold Coast's Danny Stanley and Richmond's Will Thursfield from the first quarter of Saturday's match was assessed. Stanley and Thursfield are both contesting a loose ball when contact was made. Stanley had his eyes on the ball at all times and it was the view of the panel that the Gold Coast player had no realistic alternative way to contest the ball. No further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118845/default.aspx
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Upgrade for Tigers v Suns AFL venue in Cairns
Murray Wenzel
The Cairns Post
Tuesday, July 19, 2011
A TWILIGHT or night game looks likely for next year's AFL clash in Cairns with work to start on a multi-million dollar lighting upgrade at Cazalys within a week.
After the success of Saturday’s inaugural AFL premiership match in Cairns between Richmond and Gold Coast, further investment will also increase the capacity of the stadium to almost 13,000.
Two more light poles, each containing 88 lights, will be erected at the ground at a cost of $2.7 million.
It means the AFL will have the option of scheduling a night game, or a late afternoon game that will finish under lights.
AFL Cairns boss Gary Young said a twilight game made sense because it would ensure families with young children – who made Saturday’s game so special – would still attend.
"It was so wonderful to see so many kids in their team’s colours showing so much emotion, you don’t want to lose that atmosphere by having it too late," Young said.
"But I’m sure they would want to use the lights in some way, considering $2 million of that is State Government money."
The towers will carry twice as many bulbs as the ones currently in place and will sit behind the grandstand and the hill on Tills St.
"You might need sunscreen at night it’ll be that bright," Young joked.
Nearly 11,000 people created an atmosphere never before seen at Cazalys but next year that number will be closer to 13,000 when the Tigers and Suns return to Cairns.
While there is talk of a grandstand one day expanding across and above the new player facilities, Young said other methods would be employed to increase the crowd size next year.
"Those aerial shots show best where you can fit more people or reposition things to best utilise the space," he said. "We’re working with all three levels of government to keep improving the facility and, even if it’s in small stages, increase the size of that grandstand."
Crews will start digging the foundations for the two new structures early next week and they hope to have the project completed before the wet season arrives.
The Tigers and Suns have a three-year deal to play in Cairns.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/07/19/174535_local-sport-news.html
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I would suggest this a good thing to raise our supporter base but based on what I saw last weekend, the Suns appear to already have a foothold in the region ???
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Coaches' votes (Hardwick and McKenna):
Richmond v Gold Coast
8 Nathan Bock (GC)
8 David Swallow (GC)
7 Gary Ablett (GC)
3 Campbell Brown (GC)
2 Chris Newman (Rich)
1 Trent Cotchin (Rich)
1 Danny Stanley (GC)
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I would suggest this a good thing to raise our supporter base but based on what I saw last weekend, the Suns appear to already have a foothold in the region ???
I was there and no doubt there were more Tigers fans than Sun's fans. It may have looked and sounded like there were more Suns fans because they had more to cheer about :chuck :chuck