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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: yellowandback on September 11, 2011, 09:38:45 AM
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Does anyone have a list of players that have been booked in for post season surgery and if so, what injury is being treated?
It seems that a player having a full pre season is a key factor in a successful year playing. - with some pressure on our team and Dimma next year, I would've thought this will be relevamt
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The ones I know that are confirmed ;D
McGuane - grion (OP)
Browne - hip
Moore - hip
Conca - ????
Griffiths - shoulder (arthroscope only)
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The ones I know that are confirmed ;D
McGuane - grion (OP)
Browne - hip
Moore - hip
Conca - ????
Griffiths - shoulder (arthroscope only)
Not an expert in this but that doesn't seem a huge list or too much to worry about for start of pre-season. Good news depending on what Conca's is. Can't wait to see him after a pre-season.
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Nason was in at the Epworth last week
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Whats the go with Griffiths was overseas for 2 months I left when he was playing? Did he do his shoulder again?
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The ones I know that are confirmed ;D
McGuane - grion (OP)
Browne - hip
Moore - hip
Conca - ????
Griffiths - shoulder (arthroscope only)
You can add to that - Rance (knee) :shh
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Whats the go with Griffiths was overseas for 2 months I left when he was playing? Did he do his shoulder again?
Nope. Got dropped to the ressies to find form. Just getting a clean out to get full-mobility back i believe.
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You can add to that - Rance (knee) :shh
Yes you can - knew there was one I'd forgotten about ;D
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Nope. Got dropped to the ressies to find form. Just getting a clean out to get full-mobility back i believe.
That's correct - just a clean out :thumbsup very common 12 mths after a shoulder reco
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You can add to that - Rance (knee) :shh
Yes you can - knew there was one I'd forgotten about ;D
Just a tidy up for those who maybe concerned.
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Whats the go with Griffiths was overseas for 2 months I left when he was playing? Did he do his shoulder again?
Nope. Got dropped to the ressies to find form. Just getting a clean out to get full-mobility back i believe.
According to Craig Cameron at the Fan Forum night, Griffs has not been right with his shoulder all season. When his shoulder is right (next year obviously) he'll play ahead of Miller.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13949.0
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I heard Nahas is having penile reduction surgery to help improve his mobility
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Just a tidy up for those who maybe concerned.
On the money again Dooks :thumbsup
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Also add Cotchin with a hip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn6He7Xprkc
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Also add Cotchin with a hip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn6He7Xprkc
Amazing the number of hip problems in the AFL these days
Wonder if it has anything to do with the hardness of the grounds these days... ???
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Also add Cotchin with a hip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn6He7Xprkc
Amazing the number of hip problems in the AFL these days
Wonder if it has anything to do with the hardness of the grounds these days... ???
The grounds AFL players play on are soft as butter ;D
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The grounds AFL players play on are soft as butter ;D
Dont think Etihad is as soft as butter Monk ;D
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The grounds AFL players play on are soft as butter ;D
Dont think Etihad is as soft as butter Monk ;D
was on it recently WP & your would be firmer ;D
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I'm pretty positive I saw Jack Riewoldt at Chadstone Shopping Centre on Saturday.
He was on crutches. :-\
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Trent Cotchin arrived on crutches, after hip surgery,...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/brad-and-pia-miller-are-mellow-in-black/story-e6frf96o-1226136263268
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Cotch & Moore on crutches
Rance hobbling around, BrownE limping, Conca slight limp after surgery as well
And BTW Conca had a hip clean out like Cotch :thumbsup
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Well Benny Nason has been in for surgery....
... to have his tonsils out.
bNason47 ben nason
"4 days after having my tonsils out, in the worst pain of life!!! #sosore #endone #cripple"
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Whats the Kel Moore situation anybody know? Is he gone for good? When will we know? I suppose list lodgement date.
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Nason in hospital today.
http://lockerz.com/s/139660987
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With JAck having his ankle in plaster - it doesnt look great from a pre season perspective.
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Andrew Browne going under the knife right now....
http://twitter.com/#!/abrowne34
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Andrew Browne going under the knife right now....
http://twitter.com/#!/abrowne34
yep other hip
Why did they play him :banghead
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With JAck having his ankle in plaster - it doesnt look great from a pre season perspective.
fantastic isnt it - just heaps of cudos to the richmond medical team :rollin
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You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?
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Whats the Kel Moore situation anybody know? Is he gone for good? When will we know? I suppose list lodgement date.
Off crutches and saw him in the gym this morning.
Astbury also running laps as well as John Heslin.
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You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?
Not anymore. The umpies think Nick Riewoldt, Judd etc are playing touch footy. tackle them and that effing whistle will be going off.
poo i hate benders. getting old :(
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You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?
What's that got to do with it :-\ that's not the issue here IMHO
The issue I have and I think few others may as well is that once our season was OVER the Club continued to play players who were clearly injured and required surgery.
Why? What was the point? Why not put them in cotton wool and get the surgeries done ASAP rather than playing them in games that meant nothing but could have caused greater harm
Jack's got to have count 'em 4 not 1 but 4 operations. Why did we wait?
Luke McGuane has been carrying severe OP for most of the season - they did they keep playing him why exactly instead of having surgery?
BrownE - is onto op number 2
Griffiths - again what was the point
Conca's had surgery, ditto Cotch & Rance
As I said why did we play them
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You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?
What's that got to do with it :-\ that's not the issue here IMHO
The issue I have and I think few others may as well is that once our season was OVER the Club continued to play players who were clearly injured and required surgery.
Why? What was the point? Why not put them in cotton wool and get the surgeries done ASAP rather than playing them in games that meant nothing but could have caused greater harm
Jack's got to have count 'em 4 not 1 but 4 operations. Why did we wait?
Luke McGuane has been carrying severe OP for most of the season - they did they keep playing him why exactly instead of having surgery?
BrownE - is onto op number 2
Griffiths - again what was the point
Conca's had surgery, ditto Cotch & Rance
As I said why did we play them
I'd say it's because they are not major surgeries, more 'clean-ups'. Cotch is already off crutches, Jack will be off shortly, Conca is already off them. I can't answer them all but those are the ones I know.
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You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?
What's that got to do with it :-\ that's not the issue here IMHO
My point is that players play with injuries its part of the game. They need to learn how to play with injuries. If they stopped playing players every time they hurt themselves simply because finals are out of reach, the players would not learn to cope with niggles and duress when we cannot afford to have them sitting on the sidelines.
I don't advocate playing players that have injuries that will get worse without rest, but I do think the idea of protecting players simply because playing them does not mean much in the context of the season, is harmful in the long run and detrimental to their footballing education.
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You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?
What's that got to do with it :-\ that's not the issue here IMHO
The issue I have and I think few others may as well is that once our season was OVER the Club continued to play players who were clearly injured and required surgery.
Why? What was the point? Why not put them in cotton wool and get the surgeries done ASAP rather than playing them in games that meant nothing but could have caused greater harm
Jack's got to have count 'em 4 not 1 but 4 operations. Why did we wait?
Luke McGuane has been carrying severe OP for most of the season - they did they keep playing him why exactly instead of having surgery?
BrownE - is onto op number 2
Griffiths - again what was the point
Conca's had surgery, ditto Cotch & Rance
As I said why did we play them
I'd say it's because they are not major surgeries, more 'clean-ups'. Cotch is already off crutches, Jack will be off shortly, Conca is already off them. I can't answer them all but those are the ones I know.
Cheers RFCO, my thinking exactly.
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You guys do realise AFL is a contact sport?
I do, if all are ready for day 1 of pre season to do full sessions then no problems.
if not, why play meaningless games at the end of the season.
I'd say that once you are getting to the tailend of the season you work back from the 1st session of pre season not the following round.
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Matt Hornsby video talking about the boys off-season and surgeries. Most guys having minor surgeries which will have them right by the start of preseason in early November. Matt said Jack will probably to take the longest to recover out of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUu8xCFgB7E&feature=player_profilepage
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My point is that players play with injuries its part of the game. They need to learn how to play with injuries. If they stopped playing players every time they hurt themselves simply because finals are out of reach, the players would not learn to cope with niggles and duress when we cannot afford to have them sitting on the sidelines.
I don't advocate playing players that have injuries that will get worse without rest, but I do think the idea of protecting players simply because playing them does not mean much in the context of the season, is harmful in the long run and detrimental to their footballing education.
I appreciate players play with injuries all the time. If we were a chance for the finals I really can understand it but when you are no chance .... er ...sorry NO
When your season is over, there is no point and to say they are "just clean ups" is a cop out
To have 1 player needing 4 surgeries is not smart no matter how you look at or try to justify it.... Jack struggled for an extended period they played him while clearly injured, he couldn't run, he couldn't jump and then there's the other minor little point that he is one of top 5 players - you simply don't risk them under any circumstances
I don't think you can say McGuane's surgery was just a clean out - major OP surgery with the hope he will be ready for pre-season isn't "just a clean out"
Finally I would have thought the Club would have learnt their lesson after 2010 when they played a clearly "not right" Moore in the 2nd half of 2010 who had a crook hip & hasn't played since he went in for "just a clean up"
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Matt Hornsby video talking about the boys off-season and surgeries. Most guys having minor surgeries which will have them right by the start of preseason in early November. Matt said Jack will probably to take the longest to recover out of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUu8xCFgB7E&feature=player_profilepage
i now know what to play when my 7 month old won't sleep
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Matt Hornsby video talking about the boys off-season and surgeries. Most guys having minor surgeries which will have them right by the start of preseason in early November. Matt said Jack will probably to take the longest to recover out of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUu8xCFgB7E&feature=player_profilepage
i now know what to play when my 7 month old won't sleep
Haha, true. Bit hard to do some cut aways when there's no-one else around.
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Matt Hornsby video talking about the boys off-season and surgeries. Most guys having minor surgeries which will have them right by the start of preseason in early November. Matt said Jack will probably to take the longest to recover out of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUu8xCFgB7E&feature=player_profilepage
Tony Greenburg's summary of what Matt Hornsby said....
Jack will probably be the slowest in terms of his return to training once we start pre-season, just because of the number of surgeries he’s had. But none of them are issues that will concern us, or him, long-term,” said the Club’s Elite Performance Manager Matt Hornsby.
Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/123715/default.aspx
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Thanks for the updates. 8)
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My point is that players play with injuries its part of the game. They need to learn how to play with injuries. If they stopped playing players every time they hurt themselves simply because finals are out of reach, the players would not learn to cope with niggles and duress when we cannot afford to have them sitting on the sidelines.
I don't advocate playing players that have injuries that will get worse without rest, but I do think the idea of protecting players simply because playing them does not mean much in the context of the season, is harmful in the long run and detrimental to their footballing education.
I appreciate players play with injuries all the time. If we were a chance for the finals I really can understand it but when you are no chance .... er ...sorry NO
When your season is over, there is no point and to say they are "just clean ups" is a cop out
To have 1 player needing 4 surgeries is not smart no matter how you look at or try to justify it.... Jack struggled for an extended period they played him while clearly injured, he couldn't run, he couldn't jump and then there's the other minor little point that he is one of top 5 players - you simply don't risk them under any circumstances
I don't think you can say McGuane's surgery was just a clean out - major OP surgery with the hope he will be ready for pre-season isn't "just a clean out"
Finally I would have thought the Club would have learnt their lesson after 2010 when they played a clearly "not right" Moore in the 2nd half of 2010 who had a crook hip & hasn't played since he went in for "just a clean up"
Well that's where you and I differ in opinion. Each case is different and I don't believe you can make a blanket rule based on the experience of one or so players.
The trouble with making decisions purely based on observation is you often find that an analysis of the underlying data suggests a quite different conclusion.
Your observations may be correct but my experience tells me that things are normally not that simple. Unless, of course, you have access to more information than the average RFC observer.
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If all the players in for surgery had gone when injured we couldn't have put 22 players out in the ;ast few rounds. We do actually have an obligation to field a team.
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If all the players in for surgery had gone when injured we couldn't have put 22 players out in the ;ast few rounds. We do actually have an obligation to field a team.
Yeah we could have - we could have promoted rookies ;D
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If all the players in for surgery had gone when injured we couldn't have put 22 players out in the ;ast few rounds. We do actually have an obligation to field a team.
There were also situations where we rested people. Dylan Grimes was basically in full training last few weeks of the season and also Newy was put in cotton wool as well. It's not all craziness down here.
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If all the players in for surgery had gone when injured we couldn't have put 22 players out in the ;ast few rounds. We do actually have an obligation to field a team.
There were also situations where we rested people. Dylan Grimes was basically in full training last few weeks of the season and also Newy was put in cotton wool as well. It's not all craziness down here.
Thanks RFC_O! Good news RE Grimes. :gotigers
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There were also situations where we rested people. Dylan Grimes was basically in full training last few weeks of the season and also Newy was put in cotton wool as well. It's not all craziness down here.
Thats true and that's good
But to find out that one of your top players (Jack) requires 4 operations now after being told mid season he wasn't playing injured when blind freddy could see he was you have to ask why did they keep playing him? What was the point?
Why didn't they put Jack in cotton wool? It's 4 operations for crying out loud
Ditto McGuane; to hear Luke explain at a pre-match function about his OP the effect it has had on his ability to play, the subsequent surgery to try and fix it and then that he had been carrying it since last season you are again left wondering what was the point?
Conca played in Perth and he could barely run? Why?
I just don't get or agree with it
And sorry no you wont change my thinking on this
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Was it ever said that he wasn't playing injured?
I thought the stock standard response to such enquiries was there are not too many players carrying some sort of injury at this time year?
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Was it ever said that he wasn't playing injured?
For memory al, I think in a press conference Dimma was asked if Jack was injured and he said "no he is fine". think it might have been after the Carlton debacle
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Fair enough
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I thought Dimma said yes he severl niggles but its no different to as all players play with some sort of injuries after Round 1?
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cheats!
Cheats!!
If all the players in for surgery had gone when injured we couldn't have put 22 players out in the ;ast few rounds. We do actually have an obligation to field a team.
There were also situations where we rested people. Dylan Grimes was basically in full training last few weeks of the season and also Newy was put in cotton wool as well. It's not all craziness down here.
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I thought Dimma said yes he severl niggles but its no different to as all players play with some sort of injuries after Round 1?
Yep it was portrayed as just a typical in-season niggle that every AFL footballer has and has to play through even though we all saw he was clearly playing injured. Jack was suffering to the point in the Gold Coast game he was a liability as his direct opponent just continually ran off him. Just dumb of the Club to not put Jack in cotton wool, get the four operations done while in-season and make sure he was 100% right to go for the start of the upcoming preseason. You don't risk your A-graders when there's nothing left in the season to play for.
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Just dumb of the Club to not put Jack in cotton wool, get the four operations done while in-season and make sure he was 100% right to go for the start of the upcoming preseason. You don't risk your A-graders when there's nothing left in the season to play for.
Nope it would seem we are both wrong on this
As you clearly should and do ;D
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WP :cuddles MT
:lol
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Knee worry behind Newman
by Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Thu 22 Sep, 2011
Richmond captain Chris Newman will hit the upcoming pre-season campaign at full pace after recovering fully from a knee injury.
It is a similar situation for another of Richmond’s long-term injury casualties this season, Dylan Grimes.
David Astbury and Tom Derickx are also well on the road to recovery, undertaking extra running sessions with a view to being ready for the start of the pre season.
Richmond spearhead Jack Riewoldt, who has undergone several minor surgeries in the off season, is also expected to be on the training track in early November.
Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/123938/default.aspx
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Knee worry behind Newman
by Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Thu 22 Sep, 2011
Richmond captain Chris Newman will hit the upcoming pre-season campaign at full pace after recovering fully from a knee injury.
It is a similar situation for another of Richmond’s long-term injury casualties this season, Dylan Grimes.
David Astbury and Tom Derickx are also well on the road to recovery, undertaking extra running sessions with a view to being ready for the start of the pre season.
Richmond spearhead Jack Riewoldt, who has undergone several minor surgeries in the off season, is also expected to be on the training track in early November.
Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/123938/default.aspx
Why is the headline "Knee worry"? What is worrying about it? lol :banghead
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i think its a terrible pun.