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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Penelope on October 17, 2011, 03:15:32 PM
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i am taking the pee tony ;D
not sure what to make of this to be honest. will be interesting now to see who gets delisted.
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i am taking the pee tony ;D
not sure what to make of this to be honest. will be interesting now to see who gets delisted.
I think it's a brillant decision if true, so many on here will need a "whipping boy", "a dud to lash out at" etc during 2012 might as well start somewhere :rollin
But I do agree it will be very interesting to see who gets de-listed.
Taylor is a given, then who?
We've bought 2 players in on the senior list and let go 2 (taylor & morton) so we have to cull at least 3 :huh
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Farmer, Nason......Jackson ;D
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thursty is gone.
who else is uncontracted?
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Farmer, Nason......Jackson ;D
Farmer, Nason......Jackson ;D
Sadly no to Jackson I reckon :'( :'(
Think Thursfield maybe on shaky ground too, what about Webberly
Maybe it's call between Nason & Webberly
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i am taking the pee tony ;D
not sure what to make of this to be honest. will be interesting now to see who gets delisted.
I think it's a brillant decision if true, so many on here will need a "whipping boy", "a dud to lash out at" etc during 2012 might as well start somewhere :rollin
But I do agree it will be very interesting to see who gets de-listed.
Taylor is a given, then who?
We've bought 2 players in on the senior list and let go 2 (taylor & morton) so we have to cull at least 3 :huh
Plenty of choices for the new 'whipping boy' sadly. Jacko I think is still No.1 lol.
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nah, jacko will redeem himself and be embraced like the prodigal son.
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Plenty of choices for the new 'whipping boy' sadly. Jacko I think is still No.1 lol.
And bloody well deserved too based on his 2011 season ;D
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Farmer, Nason......Jackson ;D
Farmer, Nason......Jackson ;D
Sadly no to Jackson I reckon :'( :'(
Think Thursfield maybe on shaky ground too, what about Webberly
Maybe it's call between Nason & Webberly
Yeah I know but Jackson has really gotten on my t!ts over the last two years. Want him gawn.
Big G? Contracted I believe but they could pay him out if they really wanted to. Nase, Webbers, Farmer, Thursty are the main blokes who could get the ass
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Big G? Contracted I believe but they could pay him out if they really wanted to.
Big G = Gourdis :huh I would pay him out and send him on his way without hesitation
Sadly a list clogger if he stays
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Just separated the delisting talk from the Miller thread :).
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thursty is gone, didnt he need for mcguane to get traded to keep his spot?
I reckon webberly will get another year. he was playing good football consistently racking up possies at coburg.
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Big G? Contracted I believe but they could pay him out if they really wanted to.
Big G = Gourdis :huh I would pay him out and send him on his way without hesitation
Sadly a list clogger if he stays
Fair enough. Reckon he gets the Jordy Mac treatment if he is here next year? Line through his name no matter how well he plays for Coburg?(Jordy didnt do much for CB in 2010 tho ;D)
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From our Contracts List:
Out of contract: Astbury, Browne, Dea, Farmer, Griffiths, Nason, Newman, Thursfield, Webberley
Gone already: Morton, Taylor.
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I have to say I am confused to Hartley's repsonse during his "on-line chat" about the de-listings
He said they wouldn't be announced until mid November but the 1st lodgement date is 31st Oct, surely we have to make some sor tof allowance for at least 3 picks at that point :huh :-\
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Dea, Farmer, Nason, Thursfield,
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Dea, Farmer, Nason, Thursfield,
WAT: they will keep Dea (unfortunately)
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Dea, Farmer, Nason, Thursfield,
WAT: they will keep Dea (unfortunately)
Yeah thought they might..
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Dea, Farmer, Nason, Thursfield,
WAT: they will keep Dea (unfortunately)
Yeah thought they might..
at a finction hear the end of the season (can't remember which one :wallywink) one of the speakers said the rate Dea highly, see him as a natural leader....thought to myself at the time he aint going nowhere .... :-\
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Dea, Farmer, Nason, Thursfield,
WAT: they will keep Dea (unfortunately)
Yeah thought they might..
at a finction hear the end of the season (can't remember which one :wallywink) one of the speakers said the rate Dea highly, see him as a natural leader....thought to myself at the time he aint going nowhere .... :-\
Mmmm, well hopefully he can live up to the commments next year..
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Hopefully Webberley.
He is no good on and off the field.
Such an arrogant bloke, gets around like he has won a Brownlow.
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So 3 gone incl. Taylor, Farmer and Morton.
Reckon at least another 3-4.
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Well we picked up 2 players in Maric and Morris. We will use at least 3 of our draft picks this year (15, 26, 55) and probably pick 73 to upgrade a player off the rookie spot. Thus by my calculations, 6 players need to be gone. We've lost three in Farmer, Taylor and Morton. I would have thought Nason would go (in that twitter post by Farmer he seems to be talking to Ben Nason), so thats 4. The other two? Newman on the veteran list (I think that frees up a spot I aint too sure) is 5 and Thursfield is 6. Of the rest you would think the most likely to go would be Webberly.
Only other scenarios I can come up with is Kelvin Moore retiring, or the Tigers paying out the contracts of players like Gourdis, White or Conners.
So to conclude. Out: Farmer, Nason, Morton, Taylor, Thursfield and if Newman to the veterans list doesnt work/ Moore doesnt retire, Gourdis.
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i could see them paying out gourdis, not white. dunno about connors. it may be cheaper to pay him out than have him use up valuable medical resources for another 12 months?
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i could see them paying out gourdis, not white. dunno about connors. it may be cheaper to pay him out than have him use up valuable medical resources for another 12 months?
:lol
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http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=13543.msg258302#msg258302
As said previously, I think we'll be disappointed this year and we'll do the bare minimum delisting. Doubt we'll pay anyone out unfortunately.
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No need to be disappointed. Can wield the axe big time next year.
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holy ferk, totally forgot white was on our list.
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holy ferk, totally forgot white was on our list.
I keep forgetting we have Helbig.
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Traded: Morton
Delist: Taylor, Farmer, Nason, Webberley
Retire: Moore
That covers Maric + Morris
Picks 15,26,55
+ PSD pick (Hopefully Macaffer)
Of course if some idiot upgrades Miller, or Moore goes around again, then Thursfield gets the ass grapes.
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Full de-listings
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/125262/default.aspx
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So gone ...
Taylor, Nason, Farmer and Morton from the senior list.
O’Reilly, Hislop, Westhoff, Hicks, Contin and Jakob from the rookie list.
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Anymore to come?
Surprised Jakobi was delisted
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Anymore to come?
Surprised Jakobi was delisted
My question as well. That's two onto the list, four off the list, three picks minimum in the draft?
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Apart from Contin, the rest were expected for mine. Our rookie list was wasted with types who weren't up to AFL level. Hislop, Hicks and Jakobi should never have been rookied in the first place.
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So Thursfield and Webberley survived.
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abit rough on O'Reilly. Not as extensive as I thought would happen
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So Thursfield and Webberley survived.
For now......
Stil a couple more I reckons
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If we move Newman to outside veterans list would that give us another spot on the senior list
Fair to say come lucky blokes protected by contracts for 2012
And BTW so much for Hartley's comment yesterday about de-listings being announced mid Nov ;D
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If we move Newman to outside veterans list would that give us another spot on the senior list
Fair to say come lucky blokes protected by contracts for 2012
And BTW so much for Hartley's comment yesterday about de-listings being announced mid Nov ;D
I like it :thumbsup sends a clear msg that they know exactly where they're at, when you know just get on with it and be done with it.
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abit rough on O'Reilly. Not as extensive as I thought would happen
It was O'Reilly's decision, not the club's.
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Awww yes. The Greek and his middle finger remain for another year :bow Wow :bow
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I like it :thumbsup sends a clear msg that they know exactly where they're at, when you know just get on with it and be done with it.
^ agree mate...get into preseason with a clear & concise view of where we're at and going...if they've already made their mind up, no point dragging it out - plus it's fair on blokes being shunted that they can prepare for life after footy or for having another crack...
...no major surprises for me - pretty satisfied with how we've handled the last couple of weeks...got some upgrades in, made positive moves re drafting positions and got rid of some guys who obviously weren't up to it and/or part of our plans...
...also agree that there's a few fellers who are lucky they are contracted & they know who they are...
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Wonder if the Goo will go :huh
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Out: Thursty, Farmer, Morton, Nason, Taylor
In: Maric, Morris
So we're now down to the required 35 player (on senior list) cut off needed for the first list lodgement on Oct 31. It gives us 3 ND picks - 15, 26 & 55. We would need to offload another if we plan to promote Miller :P and use two picks in the ND and a PSD pick.
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Out: Thursty, Farmer, Morton, Nason, Taylor
In: Maric, Morris
So we're now down to the required 35 player (on senior list) cut off needed for the first list lodgement on Oct 31. It gives us 3 ND picks - 15, 26 & 55. We would need to offload another if we plan to promote Miller :P and use two picks in the ND and a PSD pick.
I dont think the plan is to promote Miller MT.
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Out: Thursty, Farmer, Morton, Nason, Taylor
In: Maric, Morris
So we're now down to the required 35 player (on senior list) cut off needed for the first list lodgement on Oct 31. It gives us 3 ND picks - 15, 26 & 55. We would need to offload another if we plan to promote Miller :P and use two picks in the ND and a PSD pick.
I dont think the plan is to promote Miller MT.
Thank god for that Magic. Given our vet list isn't full we can always promote a rookie at any time so there's no reason to promote Miller.
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I truly am surprized that Gourdis has not been axed as yet. Given he has played only a handful of games but been in the squad for years plus we appear to finally have some depth in the tall defender stocks - why is he still around???
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I truly am surprized that Gourdis has not been axed as yet. Given he has played only a handful of games but been in the squad for years plus we appear to finally have some depth in the tall defender stocks - why is he still around???
It's called a contract ;)
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I truly am surprized that Gourdis has not been axed as yet. Given he has played only a handful of games but been in the squad for years plus we appear to finally have some depth in the tall defender stocks - why is he still around???
It's called a contract ;)
pesky little things those contracts ;D
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It's why some question the Club's (Cameron) ability to judge players. Goo was never going to make it yet he's been on list since the 2007 PSD :P.
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I truly am surprized that Gourdis has not been axed as yet. Given he has played only a handful of games but been in the squad for years plus we appear to finally have some depth in the tall defender stocks - why is he still around???
There are other key defenders I'd give the flick to ahead of Goo. McGoofy springs to mind. At least he's been given many tries by the club to prove himself, and shown time and time again that he's utterly useless. Goo is bigger, stronger and quicker, and all the supposed knocks on his kicking are non-existent from what I've seen of him at Coburg. He plays one average game in the seniors and we never see him again all year. WTF is up with that? :huh
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during the year when lost tall backmen to long term injuries hardwick was asked about replacements. the first time listed all options except goo.
the second time when he ran through the names he actually said gourdis, then said ah, not gourdis.
supossedly he was the only player to get a negative wrap at some club80 thingy ma bob before the start of the season?
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during the year when lost tall backmen to long term injuries hardwick was asked about replacements. the first time listed all options except goo.
the second time when he ran through the names he actually said gourdis, then said ah, not gourdis.
supossedly he was the only player to get a negative wrap at some club80 thingy ma bob before the start of the season?
That's correct. Dimma and Leppa were certainly not be wraps on him after the preseason from where I sat ;)
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I truly am surprized that Gourdis has not been axed as yet. Given he has played only a handful of games but been in the squad for years plus we appear to finally have some depth in the tall defender stocks - why is he still around???
It's called a contract ;)
Well that makes sense then. What doesn't make sense though is why he was given that length of contract after not earning it. :scream
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I truly am surprized that Gourdis has not been axed as yet. Given he has played only a handful of games but been in the squad for years plus we appear to finally have some depth in the tall defender stocks - why is he still around???
It's called a contract ;)
Well that makes sense then. What doesn't make sense though is why he was given that length of contract after not earning it. :scream
I think they may have to give elevated rookies 2 year deals like first time draftees :-\
Every one of our rookies who have been promoted to the primary list have been given 2 year
deals
I would think that if we can afford it (ie salary cap room if you cut a contracted player) then in some cases you are better to cut your losses and de-list.
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wasn't goo doing alright then got himself suspended or something?
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No further delistings for us....
List lodgements announced
By Nathan Schmook
3:55 PM Mon 31 Oct, 2011
INITIAL club lists have been lodged with the AFL in preparation for November's NAB AFL Draft ... Clubs were required to submit their playing lists to the AFL by 2pm AEDT on Monday
RICHMOND
ADDITIONS
Ivan Maric - Traded from the Adelaide Crows
Steven Morris - Traded from the GWS Giants, as a player previously nominated for the Draft
DELETIONS
Mtich Farmer - Delisted
Mitch Morton - Traded to the Sydney Swans
Ben Nason - Delisted
Troy Taylor - Delisted
Will Thursfield - Retired
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/125687/default.aspx
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Welcome on board for another year, Daniel Jackson.
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yes,yes. welcome..welcome aboard
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Relax guys, it's only the FIRST list lodgment ;) plenty of time yet ;D
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I've just got a feeling that we won't be delistings anyone else from out senior list unless we are specifically chasing someone in the PSD. For example a potential rookie who we decide we want after that post-draft training session we've held in recent years and are afraid he'll be gone by our first rookie draft pick so we grab him in the PSD.
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I've just got a feeling that we won't be delistings anyone else from out senior list unless we are specifically chasing someone in the PSD. For example a potential rookie who we decide we want after that post-draft training session we've held in recent years and are afraid he'll be gone by our first rookie draft pick so we grab him in the PSD.
Think you're right on the money MT. Expect none changes imo.
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X2
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I've just got a feeling that we won't be delistings anyone else from out senior list unless we are specifically chasing someone in the PSD. For example a potential rookie who we decide we want after that post-draft training session we've held in recent years and are afraid he'll be gone by our first rookie draft pick so we grab him in the PSD.
Agree in principle
But...............
What if a player hasn't signed a new contract.... then they would dhave to be de-listed at what point 2nd list lodgement stage :huh
We had a lot of players coming out of contract but the club haven't announced many re-signings outside of Nahas & King
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I've just got a feeling that we won't be delistings anyone else from out senior list unless we are specifically chasing someone in the PSD. For example a potential rookie who we decide we want after that post-draft training session we've held in recent years and are afraid he'll be gone by our first rookie draft pick so we grab him in the PSD.
Agree in principle
But...............
What if a player hasn't signed a new contract.... then they would dhave to be de-listed at what point 2nd list lodgement stage :huh
We had a lot of players coming out of contract but the club haven't announced many re-signings outside of Nahas & King
So, WP, does that make the potential candidate list ..... Astbury, Browne, Dea, Griffiths, Newman & Webberley?
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Fair bit of talk at the other pub that there is going to be another 'surprise' delisting.
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A surprise delisting to them would be someone like Matt White FFS...
Anyhow, let's play along. who could it be? Dea ;D
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A surprise delisting to them would be someone like Matt White FFS...
Anyhow, let's play along. who could it be? Dea ;D
Someone with a contract, perhaps?
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If it isn't a contracted player it has to be Browne or Webberley I would have thought.
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It won't be VLC and no one will kick up a fuss about Webberley. It's gotta be Jacko :pray :clapping :whistle :lol
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Can't be, he has signed a new contract and the rules say you can't be ditched in the first year.
Could McGuane be gone?
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Why are we even talking about this? The bloke who said it gets all his rumours from PRE, twitter and Deepthroat 67.
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So, WP, does that make the potential candidate list ..... Astbury, Browne, Dea, Griffiths, Newman & Webberley?
I have no idea just throwing it out there = asking the question
What happens if someone out of contract end of 2011 and not re-signed by the 2nd list lodgement date - what does the club do. Do they have to de-list in time for the draft(s)?
Personally I'd be surprsied of we de-list anyone else but just asking the question
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So, WP, does that make the potential candidate list ..... Astbury, Browne, Dea, Griffiths, Newman & Webberley?
I have no idea just throwing it out there = asking the question
What happens if someone out of contract end of 2011 and not re-signed by the 2nd list lodgement date - what does the club do. Do they have to de-list in time for the draft(s)?
Personally I'd be surprsied of we de-list anyone else but just asking the question
I'm thinking that the only candidate could be Kel Moore, if he can't make it back from his hip condition.
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Gourdis for me, pay him out his final year & set him free
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If the rumour is true then it would be pretty pee poor if an out of contract player was cut late in the piece, denying them the chance to train with another club etc, so I would hope it is going to be a contract payout.
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If the rumour is true then it would be pretty pee poor if an out of contract player was cut late in the piece, denying them the chance to train with another club etc, so I would hope it is going to be a contract payout.
What rumour?
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Fair bit of talk at the other pub that there is going to be another 'surprise' delisting.
This one.
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From twitter:
sarah4nkotb
"are there going to be more delistings or have we completed them?"
Richmond_FC
"I think they're done."
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so much for the rumors, that will teach you for drinking shandies with your pinky in the air at the other pub.
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The poster that started it is so FOS its not funny. "ohhh my white crow tells me this" eff off :lol I can't keep count of the amount of things he's gotten wrong in the last 5 years
But here is to the Big G :cheers nearly 5 years and has nearly played 5 games.
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I am pretty confident we are not yet done. ;)
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I am pretty confident we are not yet done. ;)
Jackson :pray :pray :pray
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I am pretty confident we are not yet done. ;)
Jackson :pray :pray :pray
Not going to happen. Signed ;D
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I am pretty confident we are not yet done. ;)
Jackson :pray :pray :pray
Not going to happen. Signed ;D
Ohh FFS! Not you too :lol I warned you mate light beer can have a nasty effect on ones brain ;)
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Who will be the forced delistings next season?
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How about we wait a bit longer... Derickx would be one, but not sure after that.
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Who will be the forced delistings next season?
Strange bump bents?
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foley will quit
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Too soon .......??
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At the current there is no outstanding candidates? Is it ever too.early for list analysis?
If Derickx is gone our ruck stocks weaken substantially.
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At the current there is no outstanding candidates? Is it ever too.early for list analysis?
If Derickx is gone our ruck stocks weaken substantially.
Bents I reckon that we may be in a better position to trade later this year due to the better overall quality of our list. There may be a side out there looking for a goal sneak, or a versatile swing man/Ruck, or even a fast..ish mid/flanker....but I wont name names :shh
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At the current there is no outstanding candidates? Is it ever too.early for list analysis?
If Derickx is gone our ruck stocks weaken substantially.
It doesn't matter as our ruck stocks are crap right now, the xman and the Big O are not AFL standard, if Maric goes down making finals probably won't happen
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Each club has to make a minimum of 3 changes. For me the ones in trouble are:
David Astbury, Robin Nahas, Matty White and Tom Derrickx. For the first time in years we no longer have a huge list of future delistees. These four are are from the main list I havent looked at the rookies. It also seems that we have worked out that most national drafts only have up to about 35 decent players, so that means you dont have to take more than 3 kids usually. If we finish 8th that would give us pick 11 and 29 and that should get us 2 decent kids, Blair Hartley will probably pinch someone under free agency. So at this early stage thats how I see it.
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Each club has to make a minimum of 3 changes. For me the ones in trouble are:
David Astbury, Robin Nahas, Matty White and Tom Derrickx. For the first time in years we no longer have a huge list of future delistees. These four are are from the main list I havent looked at the rookies. It also seems that we have worked out that most national drafts only have up to about 35 decent players, so that means you dont have to take more than 3 kids usually. If we finish 8th that would give us pick 11 and 29 and that should get us 2 decent kids, Blair Hartley will probably pinch someone under free agency. So at this early stage thats how I see it.
I reckon the missing ingredient for us is that line breaking quick, purely outside, wingman. That's why I was so keen on Garlett last year. We have the 'soldiers' now it's time to look for the x factor IMO.
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your line breaking ,purely outside wingman is with us now...Grigg ;D
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your line breaking ,purely outside wingman is with us now...Grigg ;D
I foolishly left 'brilliant kick,both sides' out of the CV....my mistake :-[
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ah yes that changes the landscape and probably rules griggy out
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:lol
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There is a chance one of: Tuck, Newman, Orren, A.Edwards, King may retire.
Each club has to make a minimum of 3 changes. For me the ones in trouble are:
David Astbury, Robin Nahas, Matty White and Tom Derrickx. For the first time in years we no longer have a huge list of future delistees. These four are are from the main list I havent looked at the rookies. It also seems that we have worked out that most national drafts only have up to about 35 decent players, so that means you dont have to take more than 3 kids usually. If we finish 8th that would give us pick 11 and 29 and that should get us 2 decent kids, Blair Hartley will probably pinch someone under free agency. So at this early stage thats how I see it.
A bit rough.
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Why?