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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WilliamPowell on March 15, 2005, 12:20:49 PM
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The Tigers will hold a press conference at 2.30pm today to announce the 2005 Captain
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i think most of us know but on the weekend a reliable source told me that kane will have a memorable bday today, he has the captaincy signed sealed and delivered!
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i think most of us know but on the weekend a reliable source told me that kane will have a memorable bday today, he has the captaincy signed sealed and delivered!
That's the vibe I am getting too ;)
Welcome to OER letsgetiton!
:cheers
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thanx wp! i hope i can be of value with my contributions to this site
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lmfao! Imagine Richo gets it. :rollin :rollin
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its official kane has it
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Johnson to lead Tigers
2:30:14 PM Tue 15 March, 2005
Paul Gough
Sportal for afl.com.au
Kane Johnson was handed the ultimate birthday gift on Tuesday after being named the new Richmond captain.
On the day he celebrated his 27th birthday, the dual Adelaide premiership player also celebrated becoming the Tigers' new on-field leader at the start of only his third season with the club.
Johnson beat reigning best and fairest winner Joel Bowden as well as Matthew Richardson and Nathan Brown in the race to replace Wayne Campbell as Richmond skipper.
And it's clear he will have the support of the players, who had a major hand in the decision after all the Tigers' players were asked to list their preferred captain from one to four in a secret ballot.
All four players captained the Tigers in one game during the pre-season, and it's believed Johnson was the clear top pick to take over as captain by the players.
Johnson, a lifelong Richmond supporter who even admitted to closely following the Tigers' results while he was starring in Adelaide's 1997 and 1998 premiership wins, has played 143 matches since debuting in 1996.
And while only 39 of those matches have been in the yellow and black, the tough midfielder has already made a big impression in his short time at Punt Road after finishing runner-up in the best and fairest in both his seasons at Richmond to date.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=190166
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Congrats to Kane. Well deserved :) :birthday. Now just have to get use to him wearing No. 17.
Any news on the VC(s)? Would think Joel would be a good deputy.
btw welcome aboard OER letsgetiton :).
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Congrats to Kane. Well deserved :) :birthday. Now just have to get use to him wearing No. 17.
Any news on the VC(s)? Would think Joel would be a good deputy.
btw welcome aboard OER letsgetiton :).
thanx bud!
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* Great to now captain the club he supported as a kid.
* VC (Browny) and two deputies (Richo, Joel)
* Responsibility to the kids to lead the way and not let them get into bad habits. Added our kids are excellent and it doesn't look like they will fall into bad habits.
* A bit of surprised after only 39 games but after Cambo he realised pretty early on after coming to Tigerland there wasn't much behind Wayne.
* Played under 3 captains - Bickley, Riccuito, Cambo. Said Cambo taught him the most - great nouse for the game.
* Lead the boys the way we want to play with a bit of flair. An extension of Plough on the field. He's laid down the law before so nothing new there if it needs to be done.
* Was very realistic about our preseason (some opponents were reserves side). Said the good thing was we got to play Terry wants us to play.
* Family Day - 2 x 30min quarters.
* Confident we'll be competitive against the Cats
* Cambo handed over 17 to Johnno at the press conference. Very honoured to wear Jack Dyer's number.
Wallace on SEN after 4pm news.
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Safe choice, but not the most inspired one IMO. I think Kane will be a good ordinary captain.
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Forgot to say Johnno mentioned in passing being captain for the next 12 months or 2 years.
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* Wanted to see the 4 guys in action so always planned to wait til the end of Wiz Cup to make decision.
* Johnno told an hour before becoming public (Wallace didn't trust it being kept secret knowing the media). Playing group told 30mins before.
* Other 3 took it well. All were promoted in some way - Browny to VC and Joel and Richo back into the leadership group as deputies.
* Had a player vote. Also got an outside firm (Medal? group) to cement what things we were looking form in terms of leadership characteristics. Came down to 22 leadership areas - responsibility assertiveness responsiveness etc
* Kane can be rely upon, leads by example, best trainer, crosses i's and t's. Thing he needed to improve on is in the media- good at it but has never had to do it.
* Not taking much notice of preseason form in regards to the Cats (Went up to watch Geelong). Wallace also realistic of our games - Bombers, Freo reserves. Real stuff will determine how much we've improved.
* Main goals (1) to be supercompetitive this year. We weren't last year. Similar to Carlton. (2) We're young so we'd expect to get better with every game.
SEN boys then cut off Wallace to go to an ad ::)
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how pathetic was it by sen to cut him off the way they did! no respect and no organisation1 they should have been better prepared and at least have him come back after the break to finish what he had to say. then he have to listen to that fat arse neil balme talk crap about the skunks!
as if we give a toss josh fraser has a cartilage injury and is out for 8 weeks
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Well done to him and just reward for having put three really solid and consistent seasons together, unlike Richo or Bowden. Well done to Brown getting the VC as well.
2 or 3 years as captain seems to be about right.
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how pathetic was it by sen to cut him off the way they did! no respect and no organisation1 they should have been better prepared and at least have him come back after the break to finish what he had to say. then he have to listen to that fat behind neil balme talk crap about the skunks!
There was a bit of sucking up towards Wallace after the break. They could have waited til Terry had finished what he had to say. 30 seconds wasn't going to kill them. They asked him the question then cut him off in the middle of answering it ??? ::).
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Would have preferred Bowden, but happy with Johnston.
Don't know what Brown's done to deserve the vice captaincy ahead of the other two.
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Forgot to say Johnno mentioned in passing being captain for the next 12 months or 2 years.
Yes, and by 2 years Coughlan should be ready, if the injuries are kept at bay.
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Well done to him and just reward for having put three really solid and consistent seasons together, unlike Richo or Bowden. Well done to Brown getting the VC as well.
2 or 3 years as captain seems to be about right.
he has only been here 2 years not 3! joel 10, and pretty nuch has been a solid performer with many bad coaches during that time,
i felt at the press conference joel seemed really down, i hope it does not affext his season as he was by far our best player last year.
he was my fav choice, well spoken, intelligent and good blood lines, but saying that i willl respect the decision made and support sugar, but i would reassess after this year. would not guarantee terms and conditions.
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Don't know what Brown's done to deserve the vice captaincy ahead of the other two.
Got Wallace to Tigerland lol ;)
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but i would reassess after this year. would not guarantee terms and conditions.
That should be the case no matter who's captain. From the interview I'd reckon Johnno knows nothing is guaranteed.
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Don't know what Brown's done to deserve the vice captaincy ahead of the other two.
Got Wallace to Tigerland lol ;)
so true!
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Just a reminder that Wallace has taken us to one loss so far :shh
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Would have preferred Bowden, but happy with Johnston.
Don't know what Brown's done to deserve the vice captaincy ahead of the other two.
From the outside consultants point of view (those employed by the club) Brown was probably the best, I know, I thought he was the best candidate in the beginning,( I am a Business, Management Consultant myself so I know a fair bit about how these guys think) Brown has a hell of alot going for him, he's an excellent player, he's very well known, he's a great communicator, he has media presences. He would have had about 80% of the criteria to be captain but the last quarter against the Pies in the wizard cup being televised to thousands would have hurt his aspirations a great deal, he didn't stand up in a crunch time, he went missing when we should have won that game from the position we were in and he was caught on film getting a mouthful from Wallace. Wallace to his credit, took note, didn't play favourites, looked at that performance realistically and acted accordingly :thumbsup No doubt Brown would have been Wallace's pick for the captaincy before this game.
Being at a club one year, two years or ten years isn't a valid criteria. Ability in the key areas of performance as a leader is all that matters and Brown has these in spades. Kane has alot of them too but his weak point is the media and it is one of Browns strengths. In the end as far as captaincy goes what really matters is what happens on the ground during the game and Brown shot himself in the foot and Kane didn't and that's what REALLY matters.
Brown was the logical choice as Vice Captain because he can compensate for the deficiencies of Kane off the field in Media work, he is constantly in the medias eye and he can represent the Richmond Football Club as its Vice Captain in these capacities.
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Brown seems like a professional player and we need a few like that.
Just disappointed for Richo and Bowden in particular. He has good presence as well, and if you've ever heard him speak, he speaks from the heart and very well.
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Would have preferred Bowden, but happy with Johnston.
Don't know what Brown's done to deserve the vice captaincy ahead of the other two.
From the outside consultants point of view (those employed by the club) Brown was probably the best, I know, I thought he was the best candidate in the beginning,( I am a Business, Management Consultant myself so I know a fair bit about how these guys think) Brown has a hell of alot going for him, he's an excellent player, he's very well known, he's a great communicator, he has media presences. He would have had about 80% of the criteria to be captain but the last quarter against the Pies in the wizard cup being televised to thousands would have hurt his aspirations a great deal, he didn't stand up in a crunch time, he went missing when we should have won that game from the position we were in and he was caught on film getting a mouthful from Wallace. Wallace to his credit, took note, didn't play favourites, looked at that performance realistically and acted accordingly :thumbsup No doubt Brown would have been Wallace's pick for the captaincy before this game.
Being at a club one year, two years or ten years isn't a valid criteria. Ability in the key areas of performance as a leader is all that matters and Brown has these in spades. Kane has alot of them too but his weak point is the media and it is one of Browns strengths. In the end as far as captaincy goes what really matters is what happens on the ground during the game and Brown shot himself in the foot and Kane didn't and that's what REALLY matters.
Brown was the logical choice as Vice Captain because he can compensate for the deficiencies of Kane off the field in Media work, he is constantly in the medias eye and he can represent the Richmond Football Club as its Vice Captain in these capacities.
I know and understand what u r saying and are coming from, im a business man too, but i dont think one quarter of footy in a wiz cup cost brown th ecaptaincy. if u put itthat way i can point many quarters and games where kane has gone missing, and in that wiz game in the 1st half esp, kane hardly hit a target.
also about that game, brown missed most of the previous practice matches through injury , thus his fitness was down and tw put hm in th forward pocket in that last q which went 10 minutes overtime! the ball rarely got to him, but it was his magic and class which helped us get so far in front , not kanes!
also a pont to note , joel was captain that night and played the game out with fractured intercostals! kane would have most likely stayed on the bench.
brown , and joel were better candidates but tw could not appoint brown, would make him look lik ehe picks favs
could not pick richo as his mind is weak
and to change the clubs culture and start fresh , joel unfortunately missed out.
this left kane , and the one only reason tw picked kane was because he has tasted the ultimate prize and knows what it takes to get there.
give him 1, 2 years max, then we will have cogs, jackson, hartigan, hyde and deledio fighting 4 the gig! what a future we have!
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thanx bud!
How did you know his first name? ;D
Kane's only been at the club 2 years JohnF. They've been 2 solid years but I still favoured Joel. I'm sure him being my favourite player didn't sway me. ;)
Congratulations to Kane and good luck. I can see that a part of changing the unsuccessful culture is to make decisions like this.
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Well done to him and just reward for having put three really solid and consistent seasons together, unlike Richo or Bowden. Well done to Brown getting the VC as well.
2 or 3 years as captain seems to be about right.
he has only been here 2 years not 3! joel 10, and pretty nuch has been a solid performer with many bad coaches during that time,
i felt at the press conference joel seemed really down, i hope it does not affext his season as he was by far our best player last year.
he was my fav choice, well spoken, intelligent and good blood lines, but saying that i willl respect the decision made and support sugar, but i would reassess after this year. would not guarantee terms and conditions.
I know he's been here for two years but he had a good year in his final year at adelaide plus two good good years for us, hence 3 years of consecutive good football.
Joel has had a few good years at the club, 2001 and 2004 being the best but he has been disappointing for quite a few years as well.
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Well done to him and just reward for having put three really solid and consistent seasons together, unlike Richo or Bowden. Well done to Brown getting the VC as well.
2 or 3 years as captain seems to be about right.
he has only been here 2 years not 3! joel 10, and pretty nuch has been a solid performer with many bad coaches during that time,
i felt at the press conference joel seemed really down, i hope it does not affext his season as he was by far our best player last year.
he was my fav choice, well spoken, intelligent and good blood lines, but saying that i willl respect the decision made and support sugar, but i would reassess after this year. would not guarantee terms and conditions.
I know he's been here for two years but he had a good year in his final year at adelaide plus two good good years for us, hence 3 years of consecutive good football.
Joel has had a few good years at the club, 2001 and 2004 being the best but he has been disappointing for quite a few years as well.
joel did have a severe shoulder reco, which took him a while to recover from, he cant be blamed for that
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Would have preferred Bowden, but happy with Johnston.
Don't know what Brown's done to deserve the vice captaincy ahead of the other two.
Statistically this is what Brown has done.
2001 : 22 games, 32 goals, 21 touches per game
2002 : 22 games, 57 goals, 18 touches per game
2003 : 22 games, 56 goals, 15 touches per game
2004 : 20 games, 26 goals, 23 touches per game
4 years of very good footy IMO back to back
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joel did have a severe shoulder reco, which took him a while to recover from, he cant be blamed for that
More than anything though, Joel wasn't restricted by a shoulder injury but by his woeful use of the football. He was the clanger king before 2004 and that's what hampered him in games more than anything else.
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My only problem with Brown is one year at RFC vs 10 or so from Joel.
I wonder what the appointment means to him other than another line on his CV, as opposed to Joel's luv of the club.
I basically don't care - either of them will make good captains, with Richo being the exception. I reckon he can be satisfied he was one of the four in contention.
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My only problem with Brown is one year at RFC vs 10 or so from Joel.
I wonder what the appointment means to him other than another line on his CV, as opposed to Joel's luv of the club.
I basically don't care - either of them will make good captains, with Richo being the exception. I reckon he can be satisfied he was one of the four in contention.
My biggest worry for Brown is that he is a bit of a show-offy type, and I prefer grounded footballers to do the leading.
But about Bowden, seriously, there has been such a backflip on this bloke it borders on rediculous. Before 2004 serious questions were being asked about whether he should be in the top 22, and he plays 2/3's of a great season and automatically he should be a chance at the captaincy?
2002 and 2003 were bad years for Joel, (even though statistically they were solid) and even though he has been at the club for a long time, i can't say he's been that good for more than a couple of seasons.
Maybe I am a little harsh on him, I admit he isn't amongst my favourites.
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I was probably one of Joel's biggest baggers, John, so i know what you're getting at.
But i was really impressed with the way he went about it after he was dropped last year and to win the B&F after such bad form showed a lot of grit to me.
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joel did have a severe shoulder reco, which took him a while to recover from, he cant be blamed for that
More than anything though, Joel wasn't restricted by a shoulder injury but by his woeful use of the football. He was the clanger king before 2004 and that's what hampered him in games more than anything else.
bit harsh on joel! he di dhave his fair of clangers, but take note, brownie and esp kane miss their targets regularly also! kane for some reason kicks very bad at times and gets away with it! this year he will be scrutenised more and we will see how he also kicks some shockers.
kane is the captain, we support him but get real , 10 years of mostly gr8 service should have gotten joel over the line, they say kane grew up a tiger supprter , wow, joel is the son of a tiger champ!
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Tis a good position we're in that we can argue the merits of 3 players, when only a couple of years we only had Cambo :thumbsup
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I remember seeing Bowden's 2002 stats a while back JohnF. They weren't "solid". They were sensational. I was surprised by how good they were, 5th in the entire comp for kicks from memory.
I'm not a stats person so I go more on what I see. I've seen only one ordinary year from Joel - 2003. (even then he was fantastic in a few games) Around that I've seen 3 excellent years - 2001, 2002, 2004. Prior to that he showed what he could do but suffered serious collarbone breaks that threatened to end his career.
As for 2/3's of a good season, try 19 great games out of 22. He was dropped from the senior team and the leadership group by Frawley when he had played a couple of bad games while being far from our worst and when we were basically bereft of leaders. I view his axing as just another bad judgement in a long line of mistakes by the coach and his staff. I think this mistake has unfairly tainted Bowden's reputation and what irks me about it is that people who are puzzled by things that Frawley did have embraced this decision by him as though it was a good one.
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I didn't think Joel was our worst player, but he got me the maddest because i thought he could have been better than just an average player. He's got good skills, but to me he lacked "intensity", which is another way of me saying he didn't go in hard enough. That may or may not have had something to do with his shoulder not having the confidence to go in, but it didn't look good to a lot of us. But to me, he redeemed himself in the best way possible last year to show us that he is better than the average player and got rewarded for it.
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Tis a good position we're in that we can argue the merits of 3 players, when only a couple of years we only had Cambo :thumbsup
Exactly :thumbsup
I think Kane was the wise choice - Richo and his tantrums dont send the right message - Personally I dont really mind them as people show thier passion in different ways and Richo Definitely wears his heart on his sleeve :thumbsup Bowden as mentioned here finished the season perfect but was a bit inconsistent here and there before that. needs to just concentrate on maintaing that form :thumbsup
Browny - well we all know what a great player he is but after only 1 year - it would have been a big kick in the guts to a few and like others have mentioned TW might not want to be seen playing favs (doubtful BUT) :thumbsup
And with Cog's and then any of deledio hyde hartigan jackson etc etc waiting in the wings to take us into the future - well as one song says
My future's so bright I gotta wear shades :cheers
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I remember seeing Bowden's 2002 stats a while back JohnF. They weren't "solid". They were sensational. I was surprised by how good they were, 5th in the entire comp for kicks from memory.
I'm not a stats person so I go more on what I see. I've seen only one ordinary year from Joel - 2003. (even then he was fantastic in a few games) Around that I've seen 3 excellent years - 2001, 2002, 2004. Prior to that he showed what he could do but suffered serious collarbone breaks that threatened to end his career.
As for 2/3's of a good season, try 19 great games out of 22. He was dropped from the senior team and the leadership group by Frawley when he had played a couple of bad games while being far from our worst and when we were basically bereft of leaders. I view his axing as just another bad judgement in a long line of mistakes by the coach and his staff. I think this mistake has unfairly tainted Bowden's reputation and what irks me about it is that people who are puzzled by things that Frawley did have embraced this decision by him as though it was a good one.
If he has been so fantastic, then why prior to last year had he only registered a third in the Richmond best and fairest after all his years at Richmond?
Why weren't the club acknowledging how many disposals he was amassing every week?
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They were too busy acknowledging how many Campbell was amassing. ;D
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I can't speak for how the club thought. I can only speculate that maybe they thought along the lines of how many supporters appear to, that being to rate him on playing to a standard expected of him because of his obvious talent rather than rating him as he was playing which was below what he could but still way better than most mere AFL standard footballers.
I think in 2001 & 2002 he should have been in the top few of our B&F. I presume he wasn't from your question. Campbell was clearly our best in those years (I'm assuming he won both). Coughlan was clearly best in 2003 and Bowden in 2004, so they get that right. The players that make up the minor placings often surprise me though.
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Johnson 'rapt' with captaincy
3:30:14 PM Tue 15 March, 2005
Paul Gough
Sportal for afl.com.au
On his fourth birthday a young Kane Johnson received his first Richmond jumper, complete with the number three then worn by Tigers' legend Dale Weightman.
And on Tuesday exactly 23 years later Johnson received yet another Rchmond jumper on his 27th birthday - this time with the number 17 on it to signify he is the new Tigers' skipper.
The lifelong Richmond fan, who was a member of Adelaide's 1997 and 1998 premiership teams, takes over from Wayne Campbell, who handed the Tigers' most famous guernsey - the same number worn by the club's greatest player, Jack Dyer and which is now always assigned to the Tigers' skipper - to Johnson to signify the changing of the guard at Punt Road.
Johnson's rise to the captaincy comes at the start of only his third year at the club while former Bulldog Nathan Brown, who is about to start his second season at Punt Road, is the new vice-captain.
The other two captaincy candidates in veteran pair Matthew Richardson and Joel Bowden - whose fathers were both premiership players for Richmond - were named the joint deputy vice-captains.
But while Johnson might still be a relative newcomer to Punt Road, even though he has been runner-up in the best and fairest in both his seasons in the yellow and black to date, there was little doubt how much the captaincy honor meant to him on Tuesday.
"I did barrack for the club from day one and got my first Richmond guernsey on my fourth birthday with Dale Weightman's number on it," he said.
"I've still got the photo of it at home and I have always had a soft spot for Richmond, even when I was at Adelaide."
But even Johnson cannot believe how quickly he has become captain of his beloved Tigers.
"When it was time to come home (from Adelaide) it was a huge day for me and I never thought I would be sitting here (as captain) two years later."
"I'm rapt to be in this position and I am looking forward to being captain for the next 12 months and then hopefully longer."
While Richmond coach Terry Wallace stressed the leadership appointments were for this year only, he said he saw Johnson as a long-term Richmond captain.
And Wallace said the fact that Johnson - the only premiership player on the Tigers' list - had been part of Adelaide's climb to premiership glory in the 1990's was a factor in making him captain.
"Kane is someone who has been to the mountain top, he is a dual premiership player and he was at Adelaide when they were down and was part of the resurgence over there," Wallace said.
Johnson vowed the Tigers would improve enormously in 2005 after last year's wooden spoon finish, vowing the club would be "competitive" in all its matches.
And he harked back to his early years at Adelaide as to how quickly the fortunes of an AFL club can change.
In Johnson's first year in 1996 the Crows finished 12th, yet in the next two years won the premiership as new coach Malcolm Blight transformed the club in much the same way as Wallace is hoping to transform the Tigers.
"Every game we go into now, the main aim to be competitive, play with flair and take opposition and that's what I have to instill into our young kids," said Johnson, who was believed to be the clear top choice of the Richmond players to take over as captain.
"I've already seen a massive change in the boys since when we came back to (pre-season) training in November."
"It's now similar to when we I started at Adelaide, we had finished 12th then but then we had a fresh start with young players, a new coach and a new game plan and we went to first the next year."
"Back then we just aimed to be competitive in each game and if you are competitive in each game then you don’t know what will happen."
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=190267
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Captaincy choice a statement: Wallace
3:23:47 PM Tue 15 March, 2005
Paul Gough
Sportal for afl.com.au
Richmond coach Terry Wallace has a message for those questioning his decision to give the Tigers' two top on-field positions to two players who between them have played for the club for just three years… remember Stephen Kernahan.
The Tigers announced on Tuesday that dual Adelaide premiership player Kane Johnson would be the club's new captain while former Bulldog star Nathan Brown would be vice-captain in 2005.
The pair beat off the challenge of two long-serving Tigers in Matthew Richardson and Joel Bowden - whose fathers were both Richmond premiership players - in the four-man race for the captaincy with that pair instead named as deputy vice-captains.
Johnson has been with the Tigers just two years while Brown has played just one season at Punt Road since leaving the Bulldogs.
However new Tigers coach Wallace said leadership was not about how long a player had been at the club, reminding fans that some of the best captains in league history had taken on the job while relative newcomers at their clubs.
"You go back to the leaders of the past and you don’t necessarily get success by picking people who have been around (the club) for a while," he said.
"Certainly Stephen Kernahan wasn’t around a long time when he was captain of that (Carlton) footy club and then there was (former Essendon player) Barry Davis going to North Melbourne and becoming captain."
Kernahan took over the Carlton captaincy in 1987, at the start of only his second season with the Blues, and immediately led the club to the flag and to another in 1995 and by the time he stood down as captain at the end of 1997 was the longest-serving club captain in the history of the game.
And Davis led the Roos into a grand final in only his second year with the club in 1974 and then led the Kangas to their historic first premiership the following season.
Wallace described the Tigers' leadership appointments as 2005 and "a mixture of old and new" and admits it was tough finding a balance between newcomers Brown and Johnson and club stalwarts Bowden and Richardson.
"What one club needs is not necessarily what another club needs," he said.
"One of the hardest things we had to deal with was we had two guys (Bowden and Richardson) who were heart and soul boys, whose fathers played for Richmond, and the two guys who are now captain and vice-captain haven't spent as much time at the footy club."
"We took that into calculations and whether that would be perceived as a snub of the Richmond of old, but it's not meant to be that way."
"We needed to make a statement of where the footy club was headed and we needed to make a loud, strong statement - whether that offended people or not."
While admitting to being surprised at getting the captaincy after only two years, Johnson - who was the clear top pick to take over as captain by the Richmond players - said the more experienced Richmond players would still have a huge on-field role this year.
"I can assure you we have all been working together," he said of the captaincy contenders.
"And it's not just about the four of us, there are also people like Greg Stafford and Darren Gaspar that can stand up as leaders and that's what you need."
"Look at Brisbane, they have ten or 11 (on-field) leaders, it's not just about (skipper) Michael Voss and that is where we have got to get to as a club."
And for his part, Richardson - the Tigers' highest profile and most loved player - is far from disappointed at missing out on the captaincy to Johnson after last year not even being part of the club's leadership group.
"I was just rapt to be in the running to be captain and rapt to be back in the leadership group," he said.
"I wasn't in it last year and it's good to be back and I am looking forward to supporting Johnno."
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=190281
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I can't speak for how the club thought. I can only speculate that maybe they thought along the lines of how many supporters appear to, that being to rate him on playing to a standard expected of him because of his obvious talent rather than rating him as he was playing which was below what he could but still way better than most mere AFL standard footballers.
I think there's alot in that FF although it could be said that is/was systematic of a club that consistently overrated its players by basing its ratings on potential rather than reality.
The rapts on Joel when he was young was that he would be our Hird. The collarbone injuries hindered him alot as he appeared from afar that he would avoid certain contests for self-protection (that one arm attempt at a mark in front of the members in 2003 an example). Even in 2001 he particularly go in to win the hard ball. Prior to the shoulder injuries when he was starting out he was developing that inside ballgetting role in his game. I can't think of a game since where he dominated out of the centre. He typically played more as a skillful flanker before 2004. IMO this and his percieved laconical behaviour on field with the typical brain explosion are where the "soft" perception comes from. His infamous play-on kick-ins that resulted in turnovers and goals to the opposition in 2003 just made you want to wring his neck.
Once a player even a young one reaches a certain level of performance and gets supporter expectations up then falls back below that in some way he'll cop it from the stands. When Joel went to CHB last year he wasn't expected to do so well so expectations were much lower so it was easier for him to reach them. In fact along with what appeared a higher intensity and a more focused attitude he exceeded them by a mile so everyone got off his back. One stat that stands out is he turned a usual negative free kick count into a positive 28-5 one last year. Probably shows he was more disciplined last year.
Statistically Joel's raw stats leave Kane and everyone else at the club except Cambo for dead. Roughly 500 possies from 22 games per year. It was just that Bowden's turnovers were frustratingly dumb rather than as a result of a skill error. Perfect passes straight to the opposition costing us goals. I remember a friday night game against the Crows at the 'G in 2001 where in the first quarter we were killing them from the start and they never looked like scoring. Joel having taken a mark 30m out could have put our 3rd or 4th goal on the board by the 10min mark. Instead he tried to run around the mark and made a mess of it. From the turnover the Crows ran it up the other end for an easy and their first goal. Instead of having all the momentum and wrapping up the game at 1/4 time the Crows got back into the game and then ran over us in the second half. He then did exactly the same thing a few weeks later against the Hawks from memory. It's these sort of braindead acts that made Joel second to Daffy as the supporters' scapegoat before 2004.
Just on Kane. His tackle rate has doubled since he's been at Tigerland and as John pointed out he's averaged roughly 450 possies from 19/20 games the past 3 years. Before 2002 he kept suffering from hammies. He only played 13 and 18 games in the Crows' premiership years yet was argubly second to Macleod in both GF wins. He's stood up in the big games which is something our core players over the last decade have been accused of not doing. This IMHO is why Wallace emphasized Johnno's 2 flags as a major reason he got the gig.
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Model citizen Kane
16 March 2005
Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan
CERTAIN people recognised Kane Johnson's subtle leadership qualities early on.
The new Richmond skipper led the Victorian Metro team that played South Australia in the final of the 1995 national under-17 title in Albury.
It was a team that included Lance Whitnall, Brent Harvey, Paul Licuria, Mark Johnson, Chad Morrison, Heath Black, David Wirrpunda and Simon Prestigiacomo. "Kane was quiet and unassuming, but he certainly got the job done," said Kevin Sheehan, AFL national talent manager.
That's exactly what Richmond wanted in its captain, a strong, consistent on-field presence, an organised, stable individual off the ground.
He won't be a Wayne Carey; he'll be closer in demeanour to Mark Bickley, who was his captain in Adelaide's 1997-98 premiership teams.
Bickley described it last night as a great appointment.
"He's the perfect role model for Richmond and where they're at. He's a ruthless, uncompromising player, and a hard trainer, and he expects the same of his teammates.
"He was as thick as thieves with `Roo' (Mark Ricciuto), Goody (Simon Goodwin) and Andrew McLeod in Adelaide; he was always destined to be in a leadership group."
Bickley said Malcolm Blight acknowledged Johnson's maturity when he assigned him to Robert Harvey in the 1997 Grand Final.
"Harvey was probably the premier player in the league at the time and Kane was 19," Bickley said.
"He's probably blossomed at Richmond, given the extra responsibility he's had. He's better, having experienced a few more things; being a pivotal player in a team, having experienced a bit of adversity."
Johnson does seem the right choice. He is the solitary premiership player on the Tigers' list, has been runner-up in the best-and-fairest in each of his two years at Richmond, and is a lifelong supporter. Yes, "is".
In his own words, he "still had a massive feeling for Richmond" during seven seasons with the Crows. "When the time came to come home, it was a huge day for me," he said.
Johnson was born into a Richmond family and wore Dale Weightman's No. 3 on his black and yellow jumper.
He didn't make any outlandish statements yesterday, yet there was one that should titillate all Richmond fans.
"In the last six months, I've seen a massive change in the boys . . . pretty similar to when I started in Adelaide."
The Crows finished 12th in his first year and won the next two premierships.
Terry Wallace said the appointment of Johnson and Nathan Brown as vice-captain should not be seen as a slap in the face to "old" Richmond, represented by Matthew Richardson and Joel Bowden.
"It's not meant to be seen that way . . . it's mixing the old and the new," Wallace said.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,12560696%255E19771,00.html
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Quiet Johnson talk of Tigerland
16 March 2005
Herald Sun
Mark Stevens
KANE Johnson would have taken life in a Humphrey B. Bear suit ahead of facing the Adelaide media.
For all his on-field heroics, including two premierships, Johnson was barely quoted in his seven years with the Crows.
"Put it this way, we never got to find out if he had a Victorian accent or not," long-time Adelaide football scribe Michelangelo Rucci said last night.
But it was a different person who fronted the cameras on his 27th birthday as Richmond skipper yesterday.
Johnson – who won the job ahead of more-renowned media performers Nathan Brown, Matthew Richardson and Joel Bowden – came prepared with a speech, but had no need to glance down as he eyeballed the media pack.
"Probably the weakness has been this sort of stuff. I've never sort of done a lot of this," Johnson said.
"It's something I'll be working on over the next 12 to 18 months to get right.
"I know I've got Browny and the other boys that love their media to help out there."
Johnson said his general reluctance to walk media street was not a factor when he was weighing up whether to put his hand up for the job.
When Johnson arrived at Punt Rd two years ago, he soon realised the different environment demanded he be more accessible.
"I don't know whether it's the intense media that's over there (Adelaide) that turned me away from it.
"There were a couple of incidents early on that sort of shied me right away from media and I decided not to go down that path.
"It's only when I decided to come to Richmond that I realised you have to market the Richmond Football Club whereas in Adelaide it marketed itself – you didn't have to out yourself out there.
"I think I've come out of myself a little bit and obviously need to come out a little bit more. I'll be doing the best I can to accommodate all media."
Brown, a multi-media star in his second year at Richmond, was named vice-captain after coach Terry Wallace decided to go for the "outsiders".
Career Tigers Bowden and Richardson, whose fathers both played at Punt Rd, are on the next rung as joint deputy vice-captains.
Wallace said one of the hardest things to deal with was the issue of overlooking "heart and soul" players such as Bowden and Richardson.
"How would that be seen from outside . . . would it be seen as a snub of the Richmond of old?" Wallace said.
"It's not the way that we see things. We see this as being a fresh start for the footy club. Each of the four individuals are here in their own right . . . not for history or anything else.
"It doesn't necessarily mean you get success by picking people who have been around a long while. Stephen Kernahan wasn't around Carlton very long when he was put into a captaincy role.
"We believe we needed to make a statement about where our footy club was heading. Whether that offended people or didn't offend people, we just believed we needed to make as strong and loud a statement as we could."
Wallace said Johnson needed to change little.
"He got the captaincy because of who he is," he said.
Johnson will wear the No. 17 guernsey made famous by Jack Dyer, handed over by former skipper Wayne Campbell.
"It's going to be a massive thing for me. I have worn 28 all my life and it's going to be a bit different to have 17 on the back, but I couldn't think of a better number," he said.
Johnson's passion for the Tigers started at the age of four, when he was given his first Tigers guernsey complete with Dale Weightman's number.
"Even when I was playing for Adelaide, I still had a massive feeling for Richmond," Johnson said.
"It's every kid's dream to play AFL football, then it's premierships and probably captaincy after that."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,12560834%255E19771,00.html
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kane is the captain, we support him but get real , 10 years of mostly gr8 service should have gotten joel over the line, they say kane grew up a tiger supprter , wow, joel is the son of a tiger champ!
So was David Bourke ;D.
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I can't speak for how the club thought. I can only speculate that maybe they thought along the lines of how many supporters appear to, that being to rate him on playing to a standard expected of him because of his obvious talent rather than rating him as he was playing which was below what he could but still way better than most mere AFL standard footballers.
I think there's alot in that FF although it could be said that is/was systematic of a club that consistently overrated its players by basing its ratings on potential rather than reality.
The rapts on Joel when he was young was that he would be our Hird. The collarbone injuries hindered him alot as he appeared from afar that he would avoid certain contests for self-protection (that one arm attempt at a mark in front of the members in 2003 an example). Even in 2001 he particularly go in to win the hard ball. Prior to the shoulder injuries when he was starting out he was developing that inside ballgetting role in his game. I can't think of a game since where he dominated out of the centre. He typically played more as a skillful flanker before 2004. IMO this and his percieved laconical behaviour on field with the typical brain explosion are where the "soft" perception comes from. His infamous play-on kick-ins that resulted in turnovers and goals to the opposition in 2003 just made you want to wring his neck.
Once a player even a young one reaches a certain level of performance and gets supporter expectations up then falls back below that in some way he'll cop it from the stands. When Joel went to CHB last year he wasn't expected to do so well so expectations were much lower so it was easier for him to reach them. In fact along with what appeared a higher intensity and a more focused attitude he exceeded them by a mile so everyone got off his back. One stat that stands out is he turned a usual negative free kick count into a positive 28-5 one last year. Probably shows he was more disciplined last year.
Statistically Joel's raw stats leave Kane and everyone else at the club except Cambo for dead. Roughly 500 possies from 22 games per year. It was just that Bowden's turnovers were frustratingly dumb rather than as a result of a skill error. Perfect passes straight to the opposition costing us goals. I remember a friday night game against the Crows at the 'G in 2001 where in the first quarter we were killing them from the start and they never looked like scoring. Joel having taken a mark 30m out could have put our 3rd or 4th goal on the board by the 10min mark. Instead he tried to run around the mark and made a mess of it. From the turnover the Crows ran it up the other end for an easy and their first goal. Instead of having all the momentum and wrapping up the game at 1/4 time the Crows got back into the game and then ran over us in the second half. He then did exactly the same thing a few weeks later against the Hawks from memory. It's these sort of braindead acts that made Joel second to Daffy as the supporters' scapegoat before 2004.
Just on Kane. His tackle rate has doubled since he's been at Tigerland and as John pointed out he's averaged roughly 450 possies from 19/20 games the past 3 years. Before 2002 he kept suffering from hammies. He only played 13 and 18 games in the Crows' premiership years yet was argubly second to Macleod in both GF wins. He's stood up in the big games which is something our core players over the last decade have been accused of not doing. This IMHO is why Wallace emphasized Johnno's 2 flags as a major reason he got the gig.
Well said MT.
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kane is the captain, we support him but get real , 10 years of mostly gr8 service should have gotten joel over the line, they say kane grew up a tiger supprter , wow, joel is the son of a tiger champ!
So was David Bourke ;D.
roflmaoo! David Bourke also gave many years of great service - to the opposition :banghead
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I think the right bloke got the job and that is not a citicism of the other 3.
I always had a feeling that the approach was going to be go for those who don't have those long established links to the "old" Richmond - go for the fresh blood. In a way it is unfortunate that both Richardson and Bowden have been around the Club for the last 10 year or so - they are sort of "tarnished" if you like by our "mediocrity".
The only decision that has generally surprised me was Brown getting the Vice Captaincy. I didn't expect that one.
I'm not a stats person so I go more on what I see. I've seen only one ordinary year from Joel - 2003. (even then he was fantastic in a few games) Around that I've seen 3 excellent years - 2001, 2002, 2004. Prior to that he showed what he could do but suffered serious collarbone breaks that threatened to end his career.
Over the years I have been one of Joel's biggest critics. That stats argument is an interesting one. I like looking at stats but I like to go on what I see.
Stats are so misleading.
My argument has always been a bloke can have 30 kicks but it is what happens with those 30 kicks that should determine how well a player goes. If you player A has 30 kicks and 20 of them go to the opposition, or a 1 on 2 contest results in a turnover what value are those kicks to the team? Player B has only 12 kicks and 10 hits the target and the other 2 are goals - what value do you put on those possessions?
Who's hurt the opposition more player A or B?
That's been my biggest criticism of Joel - his stats IMO have been misleading. But that to a large extent is in the past....
He won me over in the second half of last season after he came back from being dropped. Perhaps it was the "kick up the backside" he needed because from what I saw he was a very different player when he came back. Kudos to him for that :thumbsup
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I think the right bloke got the job ...
Have to agree there WP. I was hoping maybe someone might surprise and get the role, but the man most likely won out. And the longer the whole thing went, Johnson just proved the most consistent candidate, both on and off the field.
Good luck to Kane. I’m sure he’ll do a great job. :thumbsup
I don’t think that things such as length of time at a Club and any family links are relevant. Really, why are they even mentioned? Especially if someone else proves the better option?
The right decision was made based on relevant criteria, rather than emotion.
The other good thing is that it seems to have been a worthwhile experience for the players to have gone through and they will have got something out of it all, regardless of what their role is now.
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Johnno's interview as captain on Sport 927 yesterday:
http://www.sport927.com.au/gateway/Daily_Audio/Sound%20Grabs/KJ_160305.asx
First official duty was in Ballarat after this interview. Wonder if he said hi to Spud as they passed Bungaree lol.
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The new breed of skipper
Rohan Connolly
The Age
March 19, 2005
Rohan Connolly looks at what makes a captain in the era of consultants and psychology tests for leaders.
In the rebuilding of Richmond that has gone on since Terry Wallace was appointed coach, few issues have consumed as much time, energy and resources as that of the captaincy.
Kane Johnson's appointment to the post this week was the culmination of a process not only exhaustive, but unheard of in AFL football only a few years ago. "We did so much work. Who knows? Maybe we went overboard," Wallace said.
The Tigers took on management consultants the Mettle Group to help them choose the right man not only to lead the team on the field this year, but a whole club through what Wallace hopes is a cultural as well as football revolution.
"They came in and said, 'What are you looking for in a leader?', and as a match committee, we all had different answers, so we went through 22 traits of quality leaders," Wallace said.
"They held up a flash card which explained what each trait is about, and we had to categorise in importance and rank them one to 22, so we actually got a much stronger opinion of what we were looking for.
"They took that, and then did some testing with the guys on who could actually deliver the sort of things we as a match committee were requiring."
The process took about one month, about 30 days longer than the same search would have consumed of any club's time only a decade ago.
Perhaps that increased diligence is beginning to unearth a new type of AFL club captain. Not necessarily the game-busting superstar such as Wayne Carey, James Hird or Michael Voss, but a man whose pure leadership abilities make him just as indispensable. Players such as Johnson, new Hawthorn skipper Richie Vandenberg or Sydney veteran Stuart Maxfield.
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Vandenberg's appointment led more uncharitable (and a tad optimistic) Hawk supporters to recall former Richmond premiership captain Bruce Monteath, who by the time he accepted the 1980 cup was only a borderline selection and spent the better part of the grand final on the interchange bench.
Monteath, who played 118 games for the Tigers over six seasons between 1975-80, was a handy West Australian ruck-rover dwarfed in terms of status by the likes of Royce Hart, Kevin Bartlett, Francis Bourke and Kevin Sheedy.
But by 1980, after a few leaner years than a great team had become used to, there were sharp divisions between senior Tigers and a younger emerging core. "I interviewed all the players at the end of 1979," said then Tiger coach Tony Jewell, "and it was interesting that all the young blokes in the side, like Dale Weightman, Terry Smith, Greg Strachan, who'd all played in a premiership in our thirds, all had the feeling the older blokes didn't think they were good enough. Funny enough, when we spoke to the senior blokes, they didn't really feel the young blokes had stepped up to the plate.
"The view came through that the side wasn't jelling, so we decided to try to move away from the Bourkes and Clokes and Woods, and have someone perhaps halfway who could lead the lot of them.
"Bruce was a pretty good player whose reputation suffered because he sat on the bench for the grand final, but even the story behind that shows what sort of captain he was.
"His form was terrible coming into the finals, and he had a bad ankle. We told him his position in the side was shaky, and he came to us and, rather than have us cop flak about dropping the captain, offered to say his ankle was crook so the press wouldn't make a big thing of it. That was why he was captain."
During Richmond's search for the appropriate replacement for Wayne Campbell, Wallace, besides the consultancy's view, polled his senior list, who each voted 4-3-2-1 for final candidates Johnson, Nathan Brown, Matthew Richardson and Joel Bowden, separate from a match committee poll, with all six members casting similar votes.
But Wallace also went back more than 30 years, to the successful rebuilding of North Melbourne in the early 1970s, for inspiration, reflected in the eventual appointment of Johnson and Brown, who have been at Punt Road only two and one seasons respectively.
"We wanted to make a whole change within our club, and we had a look at when Barry Davis (Essendon captain) and John Rantall (South Melbourne great) arrived at North (under the 10-year-rule, along with coach Ron Barassi) as team leaders. They had almost a whole culture change. I know it's 30 years later, but we sort of see ourselves in the same position.
"That wasn't saying that the Bowdens and 'Richos' weren't great people, but that just because people had only been around the club two years didn't mean they weren't the right leaders. Davis and Rantall hadn't been around North at all but had come from solid backgrounds.
"You might say Brown hadn't with the Western Bulldogs, but he was part of successful sides when he first arrived, and Kane of course played in two premiership sides (with Adelaide). We just thought it was an opportunity to change the whole outlook of where we were headed."
Johnson, says his new coach, sets an example "you'd want every kid coming into your footy club to follow". "It's just the manner in which he does everything, plays the game, puts his head over the ball when he has to, trains the house down, he's as good a trainer as anyone we have, he just does all the right things."
Of the four candidates for the captaincy, Johnson was the least "flashy" on-field, a trait Wallace notes in Manchester United's long-running success. "Look at the history of modern sport, captains like Mark Bickley (Adelaide) and John Worsfold (West Coast). Blokes like that you follow because you know in the trenches they're going to do whatever it takes to get the job done. I see Kane as that type of person."
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With Richmond's great captaincy search finally ended, Wallace is comfortable the Tigers definitely have the right man, and that the process has been worthwhile. "It's about the direction of your whole footy club . . . If you haven't got someone who is going to direct it from within the playing group, your core is going to be splintered pretty quickly."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/03/18/1111086013829.html