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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 24, 2011, 07:28:56 PM
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Ellis it is
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CRUMPET!
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Brandon ELLIS (Colder Cannons)
DOB: 3/8/93. Ht: 182cm. Wt: 83kg.
Pos: Medium defender.
"Brandon's got an outstanding workrate and was All Australian this year. His best position is probably half back where he sits behind the ball but he can also go into the midfield. I was saying to someone that when I talk to the summer training list next year, I'll say that if they want someone to model themselves on, then you should choose Brandon. He's a super talent and I reckon he's ready to play senior footy." - Calder Cannons coach Martin Allison.
Vic Metro representative 2011. All Australian 2011.
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9mlgowvmA8
U18 Champs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCSJRJMfSLY
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Go tiges!
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Welcome crumpet! ;D
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a 182 cm HBF?
Show me the money
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Ellis springs
By Callum Twomey
Tue 18 Oct, 2011
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/AFL/AFL%20A-E/ellis246b.jpg)
IT IS hard to imagine there was a more interesting, likeable character at this month's NAB AFL Draft Combine than Brandon Ellis.
Ellis looks likely to be selected in November's NAB AFL Draft after a stunning 2011 season with the Calder Cannons in the TAC Cup. No wonder when we meet he carries the wide grin of a boy on the cusp of achieving something he has been working towards for much of his life.
Ellis' draft chances catapulted after a superb season. After 13 games for the Cannons as a bottom-age player in 2010 - including their TAC Cup premiership win - Ellis played 16 games in 2011.
A tough and skillful medium-sized defender, he had a standout NAB AFL Under-18 Championships with Vic Metro and was named in the All-Australian Under-18 team. And, at last week's NAB AFL Draft Combine, Ellis only strengthened his claims with some brilliant testing.
His results reflected a player confident and comfortable. His standing vertical jump of 70cm put him in the top 11 per cent of those tested, and his running vertical jump (83cm) rocketed him into the top 4 per cent. He ran 3.05 seconds over 20m, 8.14 seconds for the agility test, and scored 15.4 in the shuttle run, placing him in the top 4 per cent.
He's not particularly big - he stands 181 cm (about the size of Geelong's Joel Selwood) - but he's strong and well-built and would seem ready to play next year if selected.
However, it is not just his football and his athleticism that have impressed many recruiters. His character is just as impressive.
Full article at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125249/default.aspx
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Looks more like an outside 'hard at it' mid than one with finess.
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so,181or 182?
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CRUMPET CRUMPET CRUMPET!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Cannon Brandon Ellis on target for AFL draft
by: Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
October 29, 2011
CALDER Cannons defender Brandon Ellis quit football to be with his ill father.
Dale Ellis had always been the biggest supporter of his son's AFL dream.
But when doctors said his odds of surviving a second cancer battle were slim two years ago, his son pulled out of the Calder program.
Football suddenly seemed irrelevant compared to his father's health.
"I didn't want to play any more, that's how much it affected me," Ellis said.
"All I wanted to do was spend time with him, because I didn't know how much longer he had left."
Dale Ellis, however, saw the situation differently.
While fighting the disease, he convinced his son to return to the game he loved.
For Ellis, the plea from his father was the "turning point" in his football journey.
One that has ultimately lifted the tough 181cm rebounding defender with a thumping kick into firstround calculations in next month's draft.
"Dad said 'this game has been the love of your life, don't quit. Do it for me'," Ellis said.
"It was all the motivation I needed and from then on I just completely dedicated myself."
Likened to Collingwood's Heath Shaw, Ellis's ability to shut down opposition small forwards with his stocky frame and repel with force has major appeal.
When the Cannons win the ball, they instantly look to Ellis to launch it upfield.
At the national championships, he averaged 76 per cent disposal efficiency, and was involved in more scores than any other defender, according to Champion Data, earning All-Australian honours.
Every club, except Carlton, is believed to have interviewed him.
On draft day, after his name is called out somewhere in the top 25, a special moment beckons with Ellis's dad and mother, Nancy.
The 18-year-old is grateful his family, with the help of a hospital counsellor, was able to turn him around.
"Dad is my right-hand man. He is the most supportive person you could imagine," Ellis said.
Which is why, when the pair used to kick in the park together, the big Roos’ fan, who grew up in North Melbourne, was able to develop a powerful kick on both sides of his body.
"Dad taught me not just to kick on my right. He said you had to be able to kick on both sides," Ellis said.
For Christmas, when Ellis needed to improve his endurance, he received a heart-rate monitor.
It paid dividends.
"You got to see how hard you were working so it was very beneficial for pre-season, and being able to push yourself harder," he said.
"In games, I was able to concentrate for longer periods and put in harder efforts for longer."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cannon-brandon-ellis-on-target-for-afl-draft/story-fnau1fjg-1226180132534
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Whats with the crumpet ! :-[
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Hot prospects: Brandon Ellis
By Jason Phelan
Sun 30 Oct, 2011
Club: Calder Cannons, Victoria
Date of birth: 03/08/93
Height: 181cm
Weight: 83Kg
Draft range: 12-20
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/Ellis316DTGa2.jpg)
NAB AFL Draft Combine: Ellis tested in the top 10 per cent in both the standing and running vertical jump, which is a big part of why he's so strong overhead. He also showcased his elite endurance by running a 15.4 beep test and a 10:32 3km time trial. He scored 25 out of 30 in the Nathan Buckley kicking drill, which placed him equal ninth overall.
Jason Phelan says: Ellis has the sort of competitive streak you love to see in a player. He reads the play well off half-back and has the smarts and the ability to find a teammate further up the field, but can also go into the centre square where his strength in the contest is a feature. In a display of his courage, durability and work rate, Ellis collided heavily with a goal post during the Cannons' semi-final win against the Jets, but recovered to take a strong mark running back with the flight of the ball just minutes later. Was named in the TAC Cup Team of the Year.
Kevin Sheahan says: Ellis averaged 18.2 disposals at 75.8 per cent effectiveness at the U18 championships. He is a well-built defender who reads the play well, is team-oriented, and an excellent kick. Was named U18 All-Australian. From West Coburg FC.
In his own words: I'm a hard-working, selfless, committed, strong and passionate player who will do anything for my teammates on the field while playing my role for the team.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=125508
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Whats with the crumpet ! :-[
Wondering the same thing?
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Whats with the crumpet ! :-[
Jack Riewoldt was put in charge of putting names on the back of the training shirts for the trip to Arizona. As he didn't know the name our of first draftee he said he was going to put "Crumpet" on it so the kid we picked up would be nicknamed 'Crumpet'.
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We need more height in defence. I would've liked a bit more height with a first draft pick but not being a draft expert I'm presuming that there was simply none on offer.
A watch of the youtube shows that Ellis will be a very welcome addition to the club.
My early tip is that Ellis will get his first game between Rounds 10-12.
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“He is an elite kick of the football and has a real weapon with his penetration and accuracy. He is also extremely brave with his attack on the ball, is an excellent decision-maker across half-back, and he possesses elite endurance.
“We are excited to have secured Brandon with our first pick and feel he has the attributes in his game to have a real impact at the highest level.
“He is also an outstanding young man, who is very driven, and we feel confident he will realise his significant potential with us.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/126486/default.aspx
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Looks and sounds like a gun
:thumbsup
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I am thinking this pick is used long term for an inside midfielder. Remember what Conca had to go through last season and what Martin had/ has been told to focus on? Defence. Looking at his highlights I think he could be a fantastic big bodied inside/ outside mid with the ability to defend. Like this pick a lot the more vision I see.
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A bit of an insight into the kid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJrQTy2bpHI
and some highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCSJRJMfSLY
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So from his own mouth he's played most of his juniors as a pure mid, a bit forward, then made to play as a defender. Doubt it will stop the hysterics though :lol
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Some pics:
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/10/29/1226180/131241-brandon-ellis.jpg) (http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brandon+Ellis+TAC+Cup+Rd+9+Northern+Knights+PcEKaoD_kQhl.jpg)
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brandon+Ellis+TAC+Cup+Rd+1+Oakleigh+Chargers+4NqE5g97Ce9l.jpg) (http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/10/05/1226159/217952-brandon-ellis.jpg)
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(http://www.bootleg.co.nz/crumpet.jpg)
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DNveCqTJz5o/TVB-BQ7-M9I/AAAAAAAAAmE/qIN55QusRCI/s1600/I-Love-Crumpet2.jpg)
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Bigfooty's phantom drafts summaries of Ellis:
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#18 North Melbourne – Brandon Ellis (VIC – Def)
Height: 181cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 03/08/1993
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Style: Heath Shaw
Range: 10-35
Profile: Good user of the ball. Has a bit of a weapon of a kick down back. Provides great rebound from defence. Wins the hard ball and really attacks it. Good reader of the play. Tackles hard. Shrugs tackles with ease. Has a stocky type build but interestingly tested very well in the sprints. Has been a big performer both throughout the year for Calder Cannons as throughout the U18 champs so should be a fairly immediate player based on production this year and body type + size. Interestingly had a very good draft combine and tested incredibly well in all categories.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843582
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#16 Fremantle - Brandon Ellis (181cm defender - Calder)
Tough, nuggety looking player who I'm assured will test very well athletically at the combine. He is a versatile player, and really you could play him in whatever position you wanted. Played mostly off half back, will no doubt be a part of midfield rotations too. I can see him developing into a handy small/medium defender in the mean time. AFL Comparison: Heath Shaw.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=883264
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# 16 Fremantle – Brandon Ellis (Calder Cannons / 181 / 83 / 93)
Ellis is one of my favourites and followed closely all year. Love watching this kid because I think he just oozes class and will step up into an AFL environment and make a really seamless transition. He just looks like a footballer and I suspect recruiters love his poise, strength on his feet, safe hands, kicking and decision making. He just doesn’t seem to make mistakes. Could well go into the middle as well in later years as he tested really well in sprint (albeit I never seem to think he looks quick), agility and endurance. In fact his endurance suggests he could play midfield so that may have him rising into mid first round. Lovely pick because he is that Chris Newman type who sits behind the footy and just controls the back half.
AFL Comparison – Chris Newman
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=885853
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Pick 28 – West Coast
After shooting for the stars at 23, WC go with a meat and potatoes guy here in Ellis. Ellis is Beau Waters without all the injury problems. A rock at the back on which the team can rely. Ellis could go a fair bit higher in the real thing and I am sure that WC would be very happy to get him here.
Brandon Ellis
DOB 3/8/93 Ht 181 Wt 83
Ellis is a powerfully built HBFer who should be able to step in and play AFL right away. He has all the physical tools to let him start from round 1 next year. He is physically mature and has an excellent engine as evidenced by his 15.4 in the beep test (4th overall) at Combine. He understands his position well and was a bit of an unsung hero for Metro at the Champs I think.
Time and again at the Champs he was the one at the back tidying up the mess. He covered an enormous amount of ground and was able to sniff out when there was a problem and got to the right place to clean it up. This was particularly evident at the end of games when everyone else seemed to be tiring. Defensively I think he reads the play very well and positions himself to influence the play. Going forward I am not so sure about his play reading ability.
In attack I think Ellis does not read how play is going to develop particularly well. He makes plays to guys who whilst open have few options open to them or who were open to make a play a short time before but by the time they receive the ball the chance has been shut down. That is not to say he takes bad options at junior level but I do have some concerns that these poor reads will be exploited more at AFL level. His option taking is usually fairly conservative and he works it out of the back half most often with short chip passes.
His kicking style is a little awkward particularly on the left but he is pretty good at hitting his targets off either foot most particularly with his short to medium range kicks. He has reasonable penetration with his long kicks and gets surprising distance with his non-preferred. He can sometimes overestimate his length and underestimate the time it will take to get there but I really don’t see much wrong with his kicking at all. He has pretty quick hands for a HBF in the contest and he can get a bit of zip on his handballs. Again he can go a little bit beyond his range with the handball on occasions forcing the receiver to wait but overall he is one of the better long handballers in this draft.
Athletically he is excellent except for one thing and that is his pace off the mark. From a standing start he is very slow but once he gets things moving he actually has a pretty good top end speed. In the sprints at Combine he was in the bottom 10% over the first 5 metres but he picked up speed on most others over the remaining 15 metres and ended up with a reasonable time of 3.05. This good top end speed was also borne out in the 30m repeat sprint where he managed a very good time to place him in the top 13% of those tested. That’s pretty good for a guy with significant pace concerns. In addition to the very good endurance tests he also was just outside the top 10 in the agility and both the standing and running jumps. The agility and jumping were great for a guy with his build and are important when assessing his ability to hold his own as a defender at AFL level.
Defensively he is not often a tight marker but that is a function of the way junior football is played. With his skill set I think he could play as either a HBFer at AFL level or could move into the midfield as a tagger who can win his own ball. Down the track I could easily see him being one of the better taggers in the game. At the moment he is a hard at it style of player but is not probably as physical as his physique would suggest. He can throw his weight around but he is not a big hitter in the tackles nor does he overplay the physical contests. He will try to break tackles but he does not get through them all that much but credit to him he is not caught holding the ball much even when he is caught. I like his tenacious style and the dependable nature of his work in the defensive half and I think whoever picks him could get a reasonable player who goes about his job quietly and does the little things which will help teams win.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=890556
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Seems like a mixture of Beau Waters and Joel Selwood.
#Happy
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Here are Ellis' TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Brandon%20Ellis&action=PSTATS&pID=192113022&client=1-3020-0-150804-14528497 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Brandon%20Ellis&action=PSTATS&pID=192113022&client=1-3020-0-150804-14528497)
Matches: 16
No. times in bests: 9 (including 2 B.O.Gs)
Disp: 371 (DE: 240, DIE: 131 = 64.5%) ..... avg: 23.2
Kicks: 221 (KE: 126, KIE: 95 = 57.0%) ..... avg: 13.8
Hballs:150 (HE: 114, HIE: 36 = 76.0%) ..... avg: 9.4
Marks: 75 (CM: 9, UM: 66) ........................ avg: 4.7
HR: 161 .................................................... avg: 10.1
Tkles: 42 ................................................... avg: 2.6
Goals: 7 ................................................... avg: 0.4
Bhds: 3
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Yep this kid will play round 1.... Just watching the footage, he will fit right in andshow some up...
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Like the fact he wins his own ball. Hope he develops into an elite player at Richmond
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I have a very good feeling about this one. Very good. :thumbsup
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But how many HBF'ers do we need. We have Lids, Newy, Batch, Grimes, Dea, Houli, Conners, Webberley, Morris, Conca, Grigg etc.
Does not seem well balanced to me, but I'm sure someone can explain! :-\
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Him and/or some others into the midfield
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But how many HBF'ers do we need. We have Lids, Newy, Batch, Grimes, Dea, Houli, Conners, Webberley, Morris, Conca, Grigg etc.
Does not seem well balanced to me, but I'm sure someone can explain! :-\
This will be the guy that finally puts Lids in the centre for good!!! Connors..... :huh
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From Twitter:
Richmond_FC Richmond FC
MEDIA ALERT: The Tigers' 1st pick in the 2011 Draft, Brandon Ellis, will join Gerard and Dwayne on 3AW at 6.35pm EDT tonight #TigerCubs
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Some more pics:
(http://cdn2.slatterymedia.com/thumbs/450/2011/07/06/236230.jpg) (http://cdn2.slatterymedia.com/thumbs/450/2011/06/11/233825.jpg) (http://cdn2.slatterymedia.com/thumbs/450/2011/06/04/232405.jpg)
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From Twitter:
Richmond_FC Richmond FC
MEDIA ALERT: The Tigers' 1st pick in the 2011 Draft, Brandon Ellis, will join Gerard and Dwayne on 3AW at 6.35pm EDT tonight #TigerCubs
Brandon coming on in a minute.
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Summary
* Getting picked up by Richmond is a bonus. To be with family and friends.
* First thing is to be fortunate to get a game. If he does get a game and it's against North (who he barracked for) then he's not going to take any "crap" lol.
* Use to be a Collingwood supporter up to 5 years old before a relative/cousin (Judy Francis) got him to switch to the Kangaroos.
* He's had a good kick throughout his junior career. Last preseason worked on the strength in his legs. Agreed with Russell that kicking is about timing and connecting properly.
* Looking forward to going overseas on Tuesday for 11 days. Been overseas before to China but going to Arizona with the group is going to be unreal. Good chance to get to know the guys who hopefully will be teammates for a long time.
* Got a tattoo but you can't see it. Likes Dusty's tatts. He's going to wait a few years and then see if he still wants to ink up more. Going to concentrate first on his footy.
* Knows a bit of the passion of Tiger fans as one his best mates is a mad Tiger supporter who cried when Ellis was picked up. Would be great to run out in front of 80k against Carlton.
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But how many HBF'ers do we need. We have Lids, Newy, Batch, Grimes, Dea, Houli, Conners, Webberley, Morris, Conca, Grigg etc.
Does not seem well balanced to me, but I'm sure someone can explain! :-\
He's a midfielder.
From his own mouth played there almost his entire junior career.
Club has stated they believe he can become an elite midfielder.
Even in the brief "highlights" video you can see him in the centre for Vic Metro.
Explanation: Read more, watch more ;)
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But how many HBF'ers do we need. We have Lids, Newy, Batch, Grimes, Dea, Houli, Conners, Webberley, Morris, Conca, Grigg etc.
Does not seem well balanced to me, but I'm sure someone can explain! :-\
He's a midfielder.
From his own mouth played there almost his entire junior career.
Pffft. Chris Newman was a midfielder in juniors, so was Mitch Farmer. No certs to make it at all.
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Lighten up Copperfield ;)
Most of us plebs believe in magic so let us believe the kid become a midfielder. :pray
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Lighten up Copperfield ;)
:lol
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Reminds me of a young Glen Archer. If he can have a career like him I'd be absolutely stoked! :pray
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i would've preferred us to take on Kavanagh due to height and type of player but we cant have everything.
Im very happy we have taken on players with beef for once.
It seems Dimma is starting to understand there is no room for skinny alter boys like Edwards and co, who cant kick.
His type is on his last legs if he doesnt produce this year,
No one knows if we did well unless your the draft expert from the bustling metropolis of Tasmania
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Before the Draft..........
good idea lets get another sub 180 cms player who will be thrown around like our other sub 180 smalls
Pass
seriously when will the club learn. This small HBF sub 180 cms doesnt pay in this modern game and especially when you have players like we do who are better served as alter boys
After the Draft........
Im very happy we have taken on players with beef for once.
So know your happy for them to be short as long as there fat :lol :lol :lol
It seems Dimma is starting to understand there is no room for skinny alter boys like Edwards and co, who cant kick.
Dimma drafted Edwards did he :wallywink :wallywink
No one knows if we did well unless your the draft expert from the bustling metropolis of Tasmania
Give Davey some credit, He's had nothing but good things to say about you....
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Look at him goooooo ;D
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Thinking a bit more about why we went for another 180cm small defender/mid. It seems to me that Ellis was chosen not for free up Lids but to eventually take over from Newy's role in defence as well as be part of the overall midfield rotation. Newy is really our only quality older player that we'll lose in the next say 3 years or so. Having a like-for-like replacement on the list in waiting would allow us to keep to the same team structures.
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Ellis' new home at Tiger Land
by: Patrick Lane
From: Leader
November 25, 2011 1:23PM
BRANDON Ellis has already experienced his first bone-crunching tackle in the big time.
It happened on the couch on draft night, when family, friends and Calder Cannons development coach Graeme Burgen leapt on top of him as his name was called out by Richmond with its first pick, and 15th overall.
It was not so much being plucked by a club that sent the household into raptures - that was a given - but rather the news that Ellis was staying home in Melbourne.
The 18-year-old North Carlton resident had all but conceded he was Fremantle-bound, and was resigned to a trip across the Nullarbor.
Instead, Ellis will move in with Burgen – a family friend currently hosting Tiger David Astbury.
And if signing at one of Melbourne's most traditional clubs was not enough of a whirlwind experience, Ellis will fly out to Arizona on Tuesday with his newfound Tiger teammates for a 12-day training camp.
The 181cm and 83kg athlete, known for his brutality and skill as a rebounding defender, sees success on the horizon at the Tigers. And he oh so wants to be a part of it.
"They just got brand new faclities, which is another bonus," he said.
"They are really up and coming and I can't wait to be a part of what is coming in the next few years.
"Hopefully we can play finals next year and, with another year of everyone improving, who knows that can happen."
Ellis joins Calder draftees Tom Sheridan (Fremantle, pick 16), Daniel Markworth (St Kilda, pick 39) and Michael Talia (Western Bulldogs, pick 39.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/elliss-new-home-at-tiger-land/story-fn53klc6-1226206023192
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Pick 39 was valuable
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A boy called Ellis
By Callum Twomey
Mon 28 Nov, 2011
IT IS hard to imagine there was a more interesting, likeable character at the NAB AFL Draft Combine than Brandon Ellis.
Ellis was selected in November's NAB AFL Draft by the Tigers with pick 15, after a stunning 2011 season with the Calder Cannons in the TAC Cup.
When we caught up with Ellis, prior to the draft, he carried the wide grin of a boy on the cusp of achieving something he had been working towards for much of his life.
Ellis is 18, has just finished year 12 at Princes Hill Secondary in North Carlton and lives with his parents, Nancy and Dale, brother Sean and sister Kate in a small apartment in a housing estate close to the school, in Melbourne's inner north.
He has a strong handshake, an up-right - almost mechanical - gait, and parts his blond hair to the left, all part of the strong body of a fair dinkum, old-fashioned footballer.
In conversation, Ellis lets out an occasional teenager's laugh - short, sharp and fading - but he is often far wiser and more heartfelt than first impressions suggest.
He is very conscious of where his life sits - prior to the draft he was finishing his English, Psychology, Physical Education and Media exams to complete his VCE. Then, three days later, it was the 2011 NAB AFL Draft. But Ellis didn't let that affect his studies, although his footballing fate was never far from his mind.
"I have thought about it, a lot," he said with smile that indicated it was too hard not to think about. "I think every kid would have."
Ellis' draft chances catapulted after a superb season. After 13 games for the Cannons as a bottom-age player in 2010 - including their TAC Cup premiership win - Ellis played 16 games in 2011.
A tough and skillful medium-sized defender, he had a standout NAB AFL Under-18 Championships with Vic Metro and was named in the All Australian Under-18 team. At the NAB AFL Draft Combine, Ellis only strengthened his claims with some brilliant testing.
His results reflected a player confident and comfortable. His standing vertical jump of 70cm put him in the top 11 per cent of those tested, and his running vertical jump (83cm) rocketed him into the top 4 per cent. He ran 3.05 seconds over 20m, 8.14 seconds for the agility test, and scored 15.4 in the shuttle run, placing him in the top 4 per cent.
He's not particularly big - he stands 181 cm (about the size of Geelong's Joel Selwood) - but he's strong and well-built and seems ready to play senior football in 2012.
However, it was not just his football and his athleticism that impressed many recruiters. His character was just as impressive.
In the back room of the community house across the road from Ellis' home, he and his father sat answering questions from AFL.com.au.
To Brandon, in our second interview in a week before the draft, it still seemed a novelty - that it was all actually happening, that the media was interested in him.
To Dale, who works part-time with Nancy cleaning houses in local areas, he was excited and cautious in equal doses about his son's future.
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/2011/images/ellis-landscape.jpg)
Brandon Ellis describes his father Dale as a 'fighter' after he came through radiation and chemotherapy to treat a cancer doctors said was inoperable
He knew nobody was drafted until their name was read out... but he was clearly pleased by the hard work Brandon had put in to get to this point.
"We can't explain how proud we are," he said, his weathered face and greying hair suggesting a life lived tough. "He's had a dream and he's getting closer and closer to it."
Brandon's progression would not have got to this point without Dale, who coerced him into returning to football after he quit in December, 2008.
Dale, two years after having his right kidney removed due to cancer, had been having trouble swallowing his food. He let it be, but then weeks later found a lump on his neck. He had cancer in his esophagus, and was told it couldn't be operated on.
He left Melbourne's Peter McCallum Cancer hospital in tears with Nancy, and returned home, where Sean, now 12, Kate, now 16, and Brandon, then 15, were waiting. Brandon could see something was up.
"I just went in the bedroom and Brandon looked at me and we both started crying," Dale said, his voice trembling at the recollection. "It was pretty hard."
The doctors told Dale nobody had ever survived such a delicate, inoperable cancer. But, when they called two weeks later to say he was eligible for some radiation and chemotherapy, he jumped at the chance. "He's a fighter," Brandon said.
Ellis, then in the Barry Davis development squad at Calder, gave up on football. To him, in such tough times, it meant little.
Dale and Nancy, and Andrew Johnston (Calder Cannons president), spoke to Brandon about reconsidering. They knew his talent - he had already shown enough to suggest he would be a regular TAC Cup player at least - and they knew he was struggling. "But he didn't want a bar of it," Dale said.
So Dale, at one of his chemotherapy appointments, brought Brandon with him to talk to a counsellor at the hospital. It worked.
"I had everything bottled up," Brandon said. "I didn't want to speak to Mum or Dad about it because it was just too hard.
"We spoke for about two hours and I came out and everything was off my chest. I saw everything clearer and thought, 'What the hell am I doing quitting football?'"
He called Ian Kyte, Calder's regional manager, and asked if he could rejoin the program. The answer was an emphatic yes. It was the kick-start to a period of continual improvement for Ellis.
"I used it as motivation," he says. "I just never take things for granted. That's why everything I do I do it at my best because I know it can get taken away at any time."
It also reignited a passion for the game that had begun when he was four, when he started NAB AFL Auskick. His uncle, Shane, was running the program and was able to sneak his nephew - who was yet to start school - into the local clinic early. "We cheated a bit," Dale said, smiling broadly.
Immediately, Brandon showed a natural ability. He could read where the ball was going, and how it would bounce, and knew where to go to get a kick. "We just knew he had something then," Dale said.
It was when he was six, though, that Brandon decided playing footy at the highest level he could achieve was what he wanted to do. His cousin's nanna was Judy Francis, a long-time cook at North Melbourne renowned as almost a de facto mother to the Kangaroo players.
Francis took Brandon, then a Collingwood supporter like his Dad, into the North Melbourne rooms to meet the players. Wayne Carey and Glenn Archer said hello and Mick Martyn was there, and Brandon was consumed. Not only did he switch allegiances - "It broke my heart," Dale said, with a laugh - but he turned his undivided attention to football.
From then on, it was what he wanted to do.
However, it was his fitness more than his application that caused him, more than 10 years later, to sit out the start of Calder's 2010 campaign.
After being initially frustrated not to be getting picked - "He was pretty annoyed," Calder coach Martin Allison said - Ellis joined the team in round seven when it took on Gippsland Power. He didn't miss another game, and was one of Calder's best players in its successful finals series last year.
But he wanted to get better. His parents, at his request, got him a heart-rate monitor for Christmas 2010, so he could check if he was actually going his hardest at training. His maximum heart rate is 202 beats per minute, so, at training, he aims to push it above 185 on a consistent basis.
He worked on his diet. At home every night, Nancy, and occasionally, Kate, would make dinner. Each night, they asked Brandon what he would like. It's always pasta or risotto, something good for his football.
He did extra recovery sessions before and after pre-season training sessions, and would spend 20 minutes before training stretching and then another 20 minutes on a foam roller, designed to improve flexibility.
After he'd finish school - he got up at 8am on school days for an 8.40 start because Princes Hill is only minutes away - he'd go for a kick with friends at Visy Park (they have a secret entrance to the ground). While they'd kick torpedoes, Ellis would be kicking one on his left foot and the next on his right and he'd make sure he hit the target each time.
At one point, Kyte even had to call him into his office and tell him to slow down.
"You'll burn yourself out before the year even starts," he told Ellis, who cut back his training load accordingly.
If nothing else, football has harnessed Ellis' idea of karma or, as he describes it, "giving a little and taking a little." Because he worked hard at the Cannons, he was rewarded.
It's a lesson he's taken outside of football, too. Ellis used to tell his parents, when he was growing up, that he wanted to be a policeman. That he wanted the right thing to happen to the right people.
One of football's guiding principles - you get back what you put in - had taught Ellis that gains could be made from sacrifices.
It's why his All Australian selection this year signalled to him that his draft hopes were more realistic than he had previously believed. "To be honest, I didn't even know what All Australian was until about a week before it was announced. I never looked too much into it because I never thought it would happen to me," he said.
"My jaw dropped when I got the call saying I was in the team. I was nearly in tears, that's how happy I was. Not because I made the team, but just because of how hard I'd worked."
Ellis is a sharp player. He cuts angles, he's efficient with his ball use, and he's courageous when a ball needs to be won. He's smart with his body - often using his balance and a nudge to push off an opponent in a one-on-one - and he's competitive. He's also a playmaker, equally as capable shutting down a dangerous opponent as setting up the Cannons' attack.
He was made a member of Calder's leadership group in 2011, and enjoyed the extra responsibility, in trying to set a good example for the bottom-age players coming behind him.
Allison said: "He's gone from being a guy who wasn't too sure of himself - but wasn't going to die wondering - to a point where he's a leader and had a great year."
The change was clear at home too: Dale noticed his son mature rapidly with the responsibility.
When we first met at the NAB AFL Combine at Etihad Stadium, Ellis impressed with his bounce and life.
He's grown into himself, sure of his abilities and sure of the people around him, although he is well prepared for whatever happens. "I'd be the happiest man alive if I get taken," he said.
They were prophetic words for right now, Ellis is indeed the happiest man alive, proud to be in the yellow and black.
Follow Callum Twomey on Twitter at @Cal_Twomey
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/126625/default.aspx
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One word "whoa"...we have a future norm smith medalist here boys, keep ya feet on the ground...i like what I hear :clapping
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One word "whoa"...we have a future norm smith medalist here boys, keep ya feet on the ground...i like what I hear :clapping
Have you won a PR contract from the club or something :lol
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One word "whoa"...we have a future norm smith medalist here boys, keep ya feet on the ground...i like what I hear :clapping
Have you won a PR contract from the club or something :lol
Tony Bojangleberg
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Tony Bojangleberg
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Nice work Slickster ;D ;D
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Tony Bojangleberg
:lol
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:rollin
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:lol
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Tony Bojangleberg
:lol
:thatsgold
:ROTFL
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Recent posts are all filled with brilliance.
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Recent posts are all filled with brilliance.
And Davey is continuing the tradition! And before you say it, no I'm not threatening you. ;D
Tony Bojangleberg!! :rollin That is gold HRT. Pure Gold and great pic Willy. :lol
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the last highlight on this video (from 1:39) is very impressive. :thumbsup
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the last highlight on this video (from 1:39) is very impressive. :thumbsup
what vid are you watching wilbur?
i've only seen this one (4:50secs)
http://bit.ly/veQTH7
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9mlgowvmA8
This one probably
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Brandon Ellis speaks to Roarvision about joining the Richmond Football Club ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/406210/brandon-ellis-introduction/
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=oU5xZ4ZVYLg
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Yeah thats the one, Danog.
I forgot to post the link.
Really liked that passage of play. Exhibits plenty of balls and skill.
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The best feeling: Ellis
richmondfc.com.au
Wed 30 Nov, 2011
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images_richmond/ellisvid_246b.jpg)
New recruit Brandon Ellis has described being drafted to Richmond as “the best feeling in the world”.
“Ever since I was a little kid I’ve wanted to play AFL...it’s always been my dream. Now I’m a Tiger, and my dream has come true.”
“I’m very proud of myself. After all the sacrifices I’ve made in the last couple of years...it’s all paid off. But it all starts now. I’ve got here, but I can’t take that for granted, and I’m going to do everything I can to be a really good Richmond player.”
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/126715/default.aspx
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And here's Ellis' profile pic:
(http://mm.afl.com.au/portals/0/images_richmond/ellisprofile_246a.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/players/playerprofile/brandonellis/tabid/8473/playerid/23849/category/senior/season/2011/selected/bio/default.aspx
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The best feeling: Ellis
richmondfc.com.au
Wed 30 Nov, 2011
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images_richmond/ellisvid_246b.jpg)
New recruit Brandon Ellis has described being drafted to Richmond as “the best feeling in the world”.
“Ever since I was a little kid I’ve wanted to play AFL...it’s always been my dream. Now I’m a Tiger, and my dream has come true.”
“I’m very proud of myself. After all the sacrifices I’ve made in the last couple of years...it’s all paid off. But it all starts now. I’ve got here, but I can’t take that for granted, and I’m going to do everything I can to be a really good Richmond player.”
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/126715/default.aspx
thats textbook kicking action :shh
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An AFL footballer with a good kicking action :shh Woah hey WOAH, take a bow Richmond :shh Drafting a player with a good kicking style, the other clubs won't know what's hit 'em. I like it Richmond :shh
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An AFL footballer with a good kicking action :shh Woah hey WOAH, take a bow Richmond :shh Drafting a player with a good kicking style, the other clubs won't know what's hit 'em. I like it Richmond :shh
what's your point or are you trying to ridicule me ::)
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Snip! Leave out the personal digs and stick to the topic ppl!
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LMAO @ snipping a photo of Dick Pepperfield and then saying leave out the digs and insults when there isnt any :lol
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An AFL footballer with a good kicking action :shh Woah hey WOAH, take a bow Richmond :shh Drafting a player with a good kicking style, the other clubs won't know what's hit 'em. I like it Richmond :shh
If only Richmond had that recruiting philosophy back in 2005 and we didn't waste a top 10 pick on JON :P.
Ellis seems to be a confident well spoken kid with a good realistic attitude whenever he has been interviewed so hopefully he lives up to his promise on-field.
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An AFL footballer with a good kicking action :shh Woah hey WOAH, take a bow Richmond :shh Drafting a player with a good kicking style, the other clubs won't know what's hit 'em. I like it Richmond :shh
and its his opposite foot
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An AFL footballer with a good kicking action :shh Woah hey WOAH, take a bow Richmond :shh Drafting a player with a good kicking style, the other clubs won't know what's hit 'em. I like it Richmond :shh
and its his opposite foot
Leon Cameron like but with a more solidly built torso?
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Players like Tivendale and Mcmuffin showed that you could look good but still butcher the ball. Even bowden could deliver what looked like a perfecty executed lace out pass to the opposition
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Welcome aboard - `I know you're a hard worker. You give your best at everything and that's what I like about you'
By Patrick Lane
Hume Moreland Leader
30 Nov 2011
BRANDON Ellis has already experienced his first bone-crunching tackle in the big time.
It happened on the couch on draft night, when family, friends and Calder Cannons development coach Graeme Burgen leapt on top of him as his name was called out by Richmond with its first pick, 15th overall.
It was not so much being plucked by a club that sent the household into raptures, that was a given, but rather the news that Ellis was staying home in Melbourne.
The 18-year-old North Carlton resident had all but conceded he was Fremantle-bound, and was resigned to a trip across the Nullarbor.
Instead, Ellis will move in with Burgen -- a family friend now hosting Tiger David Astbury.
Remaining in his home state is of extra significance to the family-oriented youngster.
Ellis almost gave the elite game away two years ago when his father, Dale, was diagnosed with cancer for the second time.
For Ellis, football took a distant back seat as his father's against-the-odds battle became a priority.
``Maybe that was meant to happen,'' he said.
``Maybe if that didn't happen it wouldn't have made me realise not to take things for granted and always give it your best shot.''
Indeed, both mum and dad were very proud as Ellis donned the yellow and black.
``Mum and dad started crying. They were over the moon,'' he said.
``My family are really close and mum wasn't that keen on me moving interstate. She's just thrilled.''
And if signing at one of Melbourne's traditional heavyweight clubs was not enough of a whirlwind experience, Ellis will fly out to Arizona on Tuesday with his newfound Tiger teammates for a 12-day training camp.
Ellis received a phone call from Richmond coach Damien Hardwick just moments after the draft welcomed him to the club.
``He said he was happy to have me at Tiger Land. He said he loves the way I play and I play a bit like he did,'' he said.
``He said, `I know you're a hard worker. You give your best at everything and that's what I like about you'.''
The 181cm and 83kg athlete, known for his brutality and skill as a rebounding defender, sees success on the horizon at the Tigers.
And he so wants to be a part of it.
``They just got brand new facilities, which is another bonus,'' Ellis said.
``They are really up and coming and I can't wait to be a part of what is coming in the next few years. ``Hopefully we can play finals next year and, with another year of everyone improving, who knows what can happen.''
Ellis joins Calder draftees Tom Sheridan (Fremantle, pick 16), Daniel Markworth (St Kilda, pick 39) and Michael Talia (Western Bulldogs, pick 39).
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He said he loves the way I play and I play a bit like he did
Turn it up Dimma
You were an honest battler
LMAO
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Tiger recruit Brandon Ellis aiming to sting the Blues
by: Michael Warner in Phoenix
Herald Sun
December 09, 2011
RICHMOND draftee Brandon Ellis has set his sights on a Round 1 debut against the Blues.
Ellis, 18, was taken by the Tigers with their first pick, 15th overall, at last month's national draft and has been a standout at the club's Arizona training camp.
The elite kicker from the Calder Cannons was selected as an attacking defender, but can also play in the midfield.
"That's my goal to play Round 1 and I'm going to do everything I can, but there's a lot of competition," Ellis said. "I think we've got eight or nine backs who are in the running.
"All I want to do is play. I don't care where I play, I just want to put on the Richmond jumper and that will be the best day of my life."
Ellis and Richmond's two other draftees, tall forward Todd Elton and midfielder Matt Arnot, have endured a brutal AFL baptism.
Within days of being drafted, the youngsters found themselves in Tucson taking part in a gruelling fitness program at the University of Arizona.
Irish recruit John Heslin, 19, a star Gaelic player, has also made the trip with mature-age pick ups Ivan Maric and Steven Morris.
"It's probably been one of the times of my life so far," Ellis said. "I've always wanted to come to America, but to come over here with Richmond is just amazing.
" I thought I'd come over here with a few mates. It still feels a bit surreal but it's sinking in now being around the boys.
"It's been tough. In the gym sessions I can keep up with them, but the running and the extra swim session or skill sessions that you do is really tough on the body.
"But give me a month or two and wait for my body to adapt and I think I will be able to keep up with them."
Vice-captain Trent Cotchin said the desire of the newest Tigers to compete in Arizona had turned a few heads among the established players.
"They've really applied themselves well and seem like fantastic characters. It just adds more pressure and competition, which is what we're all about at Tigerland," Cotchin said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-recruit-brandon-ellis-aiming-to-sting-the-blues/story-e6frf9jf-1226217645218
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Now this is what we haven't heard about our previous recruits... :clapping
"Vice-captain Trent Cotchin said the desire of the newest Tigers to compete in Arizona had turned a few heads among the established players.
"They've really applied themselves well and seem like fantastic characters. It just adds more pressure and competition, which is what we're all about at Tigerland," Cotchin said".
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My mail is this kid is 'real good' :gotigers
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My mail is this kid is 'real good' :gotigers
Tell you what they look like the best group of recruits we have had for many years, in terms of a group, size, maturity etc...
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I heard a story that this kid got a gash on his leg that required 15 stitches but he wouldn't come off and just bandaged it untill after a TAC game.
The Under 18 Francis Bourke?
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Read the comments on the actual story page in the Hun about him, one says, hits targets on the chest from 60m... :o, hell, if he can do that out of defence or the centre.... :gotigers
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I heard a story that this kid got a gash on his leg that required 15 stitches but he wouldn't come off and just bandaged it untill after a TAC game.
The Under 18 Francis Bourke?
A gash that required 15 stitches? Didn't Darren "Gassy" Gaspar have enough blood coming out of his skull in one game that would have made a vampire horny and they stitched him up turban style and sent him back out? Some people thought he was soft but Gassy was a true warrior. I know Knighter was another with a serious gash to the head thanks to that mongel Liberatore. >:(
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I heard a story that this kid got a gash on his leg that required 15 stitches but he wouldn't come off and just bandaged it untill after a TAC game.
The Under 18 Francis Bourke?
A gash that required 15 stitches? Didn't Darren "Gassy" Gaspar have enough blood coming out of his skull in one game that would have made a vampire horny and they stitched him up turban style and sent him back out? Some people thought he was soft but Gassy was a true warrior. I know Knighter was another with a serious gash to the head thanks to that mongel Liberatore. >:(
And the triple :clapping
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usually there is alot of rubbish and spin published in regards to recruits etc etc.
This kid can kick and mark to perfection. :gotigers
Very good fit for us
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Can we put him down for a Brownlow?
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Can we put him down for a Brownlow?
I already have Chuck... whoa :shh
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Can we put him down for a Brownlow?
I already have Chuck... whoa :shh
I like your thinking, partner :shh
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My mail is this kid is 'real good' :gotigers
:o Somebody notify the mods, Bojingles has hijacked Jackstar's account!
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My mail is this kid is 'real good' :gotigers
:o Somebody notify the mods, Bojingles has hijacked Jackstar's account!
:lol
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Can we put him down for a Brownlow?
I already have Chuck... whoa :shh
So do I after too many scotches.... ;D
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really impressed with all this young man has done thus far - from all indications has a terrific attitude, is blazing the training track and has many of the attributes we lack...looking forward to watching him off half back early and then develop with our other young players to form the nucleus of a gun onball division in the future...
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Dropped in to Tigerland late this morning to purchase a new media polo (thanks again for the voucher OE & WP ;) ) and a few other odds and ends.
Walking back to the car I passed Tuck, Webberley and Ellis.
I'll tell you what, Ellis is a MASSIVELY SOLID unit. Not overly tall, but gee whiz he is an absolutely SOLID bastard. Needs to bulk up the calves, but otherwise, the proverbial barrel.
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Was that you getting in to the pink MX-5?
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Was that you getting in to the pink MX-5?
It's not pink. It's 'Magenta moonlight'.
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Brandon's breathing easier now -
Tiger recruit relishes high altitude training
By Sam Landberger
Melbourne Yarra Leader
December 12, 2011
Full article here: http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/richmond/brandonellis.jpg (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/richmond/brandonellis.jpg)
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Brandon's breathing easier now -
Tiger recruit relishes high altitude training
By Sam Landberger
Melbourne Yarra Leader
December 12, 2011
Full article here: http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/richmond/brandonellis.jpg (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/richmond/brandonellis.jpg)
Well I am sure he would have "relished" the "high altitude training" if we had done it ::)
:rollin
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Well I am sure he would have "relished" the "high altitude training" if we had done it ::)
:rollin
Tempe in Arizona is nearly 1200 feet above sea level. This is where the camp was held and is obviously a far higher altitude than Punt Rd.
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Well I am sure he would have "relished" the "high altitude training" if we had done it ::)
:rollin
Tempe in Arizona is nearly 1200 feet above sea level. This is where the camp was held and is obviously a far higher altitude than Punt Rd.
Crikey Damo, I live about 2400 feet above sea level so they could have saved a few bucks and had a run around my back yard. Could you mean 1200 metres? ;D
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Tempe in Arizona is nearly 1200 feet above sea level. This is where the camp was held and is obviously a far higher altitude than Punt Rd.
True but the Club was very clear in saying that weren't doing the "high altitude" training that the likes of the Pies & N0rt were doing. Our focus was on using the elite facilities and our training was based around that.
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Our focus was on using the elite facilities and our training was based around that.
No, Cotchin deflated that story in his interview.
* Facilities at the club are brilliant now. Matched what we saw over in the US so we are lucky to have them.
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or was the vice captain just pumping up our facilities?
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Our focus was on using the elite facilities and our training was based around that.
No, Cotchin deflated that story in his interview.
* Facilities at the club are brilliant now. Matched what we saw over in the US so we are lucky to have them.
Errr no he didn't he actually backed it in the context of what my comment was about ;D
A few posts back there is a link to an article about Ellis "relishing high altitude training".
I said:
Well I am sure he would have "relished" the "high altitude training" if we had done it ::)
To which Damo commented:
Tempe in Arizona is nearly 1200 feet above sea level. This is where the camp was held and is obviously a far higher altitude than Punt Rd.
In a follow up to that I made the comment about the RFC's focus on Arizona was using the "elite facilities" rather that high altitude training which is what Cotch actually said in his interview last night
Yes he said our facilities are equal to what's over there but he also said that we didn't go over there to do high altitude traing but use the facilities which was what I was saying :thumbsup
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Player agent Marty Pask's twitter:
"Just caught up with @Richmond_FC draftee Brandon Ellis...he is looking very fit Tiger fans"
"reckon he'll get a look early"
"looking good guys!!! great young man....good luck this season!"
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Ok so Tommy D is looking OK, heard nothing and I mean nothing Jerry about Brandon, How is he looking?? Any news from anyone??
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From what i understand he is progressing well. Rarely missing targets and is exceptionally fit for a rookie.
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Is killing it. Get on ;)
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will play most games, methinks.
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Ellis interviewed in the rooms after the final game last night ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/423297/default.aspx
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Ellis interviewed in the rooms after the final game last night ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/423297/default.aspx
Seems genuinely stoked. I love this kid :'). Definitely a shoe in for an early season Rising Star nomination.
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The specialist
By Paul Daffey
Tue 28 Feb, 2012
BRANDON Ellis, Richmond's first pick in the 2011 NAB AFL Draft, is likely to be entrusted with kick-in duties in his first year on the Tigers' list.
Ellis, 18, is expected to be named in the Tigers' line-up for their now traditional round one clash against Carlton at the MCG.
If he's near the ball, he's been given permission by the coaches to take the kick-in.
Ellis, who was taken at No.15 by the Tigers, said today he would fall behind teammates such as captain Chris Newman and fellow half-back Bachar Houli in the kick-out pecking order.
"It just depends who's closest to the ball," Ellis said. "If it's a slow play, Chris Newman will usually take the kick."
Ellis looked bashful when asked whether he might try a torpedo from full-back. Adelaide coach Brenton Sanderson revealed this week that he would be instructing his players to use torpedoes to break defensive presses.
"I don't think I'll be unloading any torps," Ellis said. "(But) if I get told to do one, I'll be happy to do one."
Ellis said he loved his first experience of an AFL match, against North Melbourne in the first round of the NAB Cup, even if he found the pace and intensity of the game to be hot early.
"In the first five minutes I got lost a bit," he said.
"Playing at Etihad against the team I've followed all my life, North Melbourne, was weird — but a dream come true.
"To play on Brent Harvey, who I've idolised for 10 years, was unreal."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/129727/default.aspx
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Barracked for Norf? Delist.
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Barracked for Norf? Delist.
now 1/10 of their supporter base plays for Richmond.
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:lol
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After collecting 20 possies and 5 tackles yesterday, Ellis would be a shoe-in to make his official debut in round 1 now. Not bad for a pick 15 after GWS picked the guts out of the draft.
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Yeah damn straight, still gotta beat that Naught Melbun bs out of him though without damaging his playing ability.
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After collecting 20 possies and 5 tackles yesterday, Ellis would be a shoe-in to make his official debut in round 1 now. Not bad for a pick 15 after GWS picked the guts out of the draft.
Didn't do too bad picking up Morris also by swapping picks with GWS.
Ellis will be a very good player for us. :thumbsup
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Dan’s Rookie Reveal: Brandon Ellis
By Dan
footytragic.com
March 14th, 2012
Brandon Ellis
Club: Richmond
Position: DEF
Price: $116,700 DT, $126,600 SC
Ellis is the lockiest lock of the back rookies this year. I can’t make a stronger case for any other back rookie worth starting on the field than the strong bodied defender from the Calder Cannons. He’s already got an AFL ready body and it showed most prominently on the weekend against Geelong when he laid five tackles, with some of them being really solid. He doesn’t look like an 18 year old kid out there.
He plays with no fear and his kicking across half back will be an asset for the Tigers, who are starting to develop quality in that area of the ground (quantity is something they never lacked though). While he will be a relevant fantasy players this year in both forms of the game I feel he will be an excellent SuperCoach player.
His long kicking and contested ball are features of his game, which will bode well for SuperCoach. His kicking efficiency in the TAC Cup doesn’t read too well at only 57%, which puts him below the 2011 TAC Cup average, but I call folly on these stats. Calder played seven games at Highgate Reserve in Craigieburn. That stadium is such a rotter that I challenge anyone to find a windier venue in the country. It’s that bad that I honestly take that into consideration when looking at KE% for games at the venue. By way of comparison his KE% in the U/18 Nationals was 75.5%, which is right up there.
Read more and full article at: http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-dans-rookie-reveal/dans-rookie-reveal-brandon-ellis/
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Dan’s Rookie Reveal: Brandon Ellis
By Dan
footytragic.com
March 14th, 2012
Brandon Ellis
Club: Richmond
Position: DEF
Price: $116,700 DT, $126,600 SC
Ellis is the lockiest lock of the back rookies this year. I can’t make a stronger case for any other back rookie worth starting on the field than the strong bodied defender from the Calder Cannons. He’s already got an AFL ready body and it showed most prominently on the weekend against Geelong when he laid five tackles, with some of them being really solid. He doesn’t look like an 18 year old kid out there.
He plays with no fear and his kicking across half back will be an asset for the Tigers, who are starting to develop quality in that area of the ground (quantity is something they never lacked though). While he will be a relevant fantasy players this year in both forms of the game I feel he will be an excellent SuperCoach player.
His long kicking and contested ball are features of his game, which will bode well for SuperCoach. His kicking efficiency in the TAC Cup doesn’t read too well at only 57%, which puts him below the 2011 TAC Cup average, but I call folly on these stats. Calder played seven games at Highgate Reserve in Craigieburn. That stadium is such a rotter that I challenge anyone to find a windier venue in the country. It’s that bad that I honestly take that into consideration when looking at KE% for games at the venue. By way of comparison his KE% in the U/18 Nationals was 75.5%, which is right up there.
Read more and full article at: http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-dans-rookie-reveal/dans-rookie-reveal-brandon-ellis/
Not sure now if they will take Ellis or Morris into the first round if the decision has to be made.. :-\
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Based on kicking, Ellis. I have the feeling somehow both with Morris as a sub. Not sure how though?
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Ellis for sure barring injury.
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Ellis, based on overall quality.
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Started off a bit shakely (noticed one time he didn't go hard enough when he had to in the first qtr) but I thought he worked his way into the game and looked more comfortable at AFL level by the end tonight. In time with his good footskills he like Conca will be able to go into the midfield rotation full-time forcing out the usual suspects that currently let us down.
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need to borrow some courage pills off Kingy.
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need to borrow some courage pills off Kingy.
He has gone hard at times, give him more than 2 games then judge him. I dont think his going to be a soft player at all.
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looked a bit overawed at times last night but he is was playing his second game against one of last year's grand finalists. Still settling in.
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hes a dud get rid of him, prolly another edwards in disguise
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need to borrow some courage pills off Kingy.
He has gone hard at times, give him more than 2 games then judge him. I dont think his going to be a soft player at all.
Not worried about his hardness, saw him throwing himself at it a few times head first
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hes a dud get rid of him, prolly another edwards in disguise
There's only 1 Shane Edwards.
Chalk and cheese comparing Eddie the Eagle with Brandon Ellis.
Ellis will develop into a very good footballer.
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Very early days. Will take time to develop.
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Looks about as good as you would expect for a kid drafted 5 months ago. Has shown more in 2 games than Tambling did in 6 years :rollin
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18 touches 5 marks
Not bad for a second gamer
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Let the boy go
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lol....Reading elsewhere they want him dropped!!
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Kindergarten Cops
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Boggles the mind how some can blame a kid in his second game with 18 possessions and 5 marks
and there are certain who want him dropped ,yet a bloke like Edwards in his 6th year has less possessions and less impact as a midfielder but according to some is tracking nicely. ::)
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Kindergarten Cops
Maybe they have a toomor. :lol :rollin :lol
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Boggles the mind how some can blame a kid in his second game with 18 possessions and 5 marks
and there are certain who want him dropped ,yet a bloke like Edwards in his 6th year has less possessions and less impact as a midfielder but according to some is tracking nicely. ::)
who has said he is tracking nicely?
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Boggles the mind how some can blame a kid in his second game with 18 possessions and 5 marks
and there are certain who want him dropped ,yet a bloke like Edwards in his 6th year has less possessions and less impact as a midfielder but according to some is tracking nicely. ::)
who has said he is tracking nicely?
Someone on this forum al whose opinion I value but I feel have missed the mark on this topic.
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I think he's doing excellently.
I can't wait to see him gain some confidence and take the opposition on like he did when he was in TAC comp.
So far so good from what I've seen.
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Will be the best kick in the competition :thumbsup
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He is actually carrying an ankle injury also.
He was wearing a compression bandage on his foot after the first game and he limped around at times on Saturday night also.
Wouldnt suprise to see him rested in the next few weeks to try and get over it.
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Boggles the mind how some can blame a kid in his second game with 18 possessions and 5 marks
and there are certain who want him dropped ,yet a bloke like Edwards in his 6th year has less possessions and less impact as a midfielder but according to some is tracking nicely. ::)
who has said he is tracking nicely?
Someone on this forum al whose opinion I value but I feel have missed the mark on this topic.
;D
thought so.
my view isn't at the opposite of spectrum just not as low
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lol....Reading elsewhere they want him dropped!!
Don't tell me it's them again :banghead Why are you still hanging out there? Back posting ? :lol
Ellis is alright. Yeah I'm alwwight :)
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He is actually carrying an ankle injury also.
He was wearing a compression bandage on his foot after the first game and he limped around at times on Saturday night also.
Wouldnt suprise to see him rested in the next few weeks to try and get over it.
That may explain his lack of pace on Saturday.
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He is actually carrying an ankle injury also.
He was wearing a compression bandage on his foot after the first game and he limped around at times on Saturday night also.
Wouldnt suprise to see him rested in the next few weeks to try and get over it.
That may explain his lack of pace on Saturday.
So it is more acceptable to play an injured player or a player under duress pass off his mediocre performance as him being injured...... Once you cross that white line...... :lol :rollin :lol
So the club is negligent on that part playing an injured bloke.
It's round 2 for goodness sakes if he needs to miss he has too. Pay someone fit then.
What if shanks 4 kicks on Saturday and we get done something like this will send this site into meltdown wanting his head on a stake and Dimma's under the guillotine for playing players who would not be guaranteed games at VFL affiliate clubs.
FFS I've heard it all now. ::)
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Bloke isn't injured at all
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Ellis shouldn't be too far away from a Rising Star nomination. Another 19 possies and 5 tackles today and he was named in our bests as well by the media. We could have two nominations in a row.
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Slots.into the back 6 very nice
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Was definitely his best game today. Showed poise and discipline.
I'm impressed.
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we've done well over the summer with getting Ellis and Morris - two hard nuts that we have lacked for eons!
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Did very well today against the big boys. Who said young players picked early can't be thrown into the deep end?
Bring in the big Griff and let's see if he's up to it.
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Continues to impress. Will be a long term prospect for the club.
Has poise and skill.
An excellent acquisition to our emerging backline. :thumbsup
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Continues to impress. Will be a long term prospect for the club.
Has poise and skill.
An excellent acquisition to our emerging backline. :thumbsup
Would like to think he moves into the midfield a la Conca as soon as he gets a fitness base and adjusts fully to the tempo of senior footy.
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A good solid bounce back game from Ellis after a quiet effort against the Eagles. Surely a Rising Star nomination isn't far away! Another 18 possies today with 7 contested so he's not just a first yearer getting cheapies off HB off the hard work of senior teammates.
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Doesn't put his head over it
Thought he was a hard nut but he should been embarrassed by some of his efforts today
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Doesn't put his head over it
Thought he was a hard nut but he should been embarrassed by some of his efforts today
I just think that he doesn't quite feel he belongs just yet. He'll get there - I just think he needs a breakout game.
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Doesn't put his head over it
Thought he was a hard nut but he should been embarrassed by some of his efforts today
You reckon Gerks.
I thought he was solid today. Much improved on last week.
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Doesn't put his head over it
Thought he was a hard nut but he should been embarrassed by some of his efforts today
I just think that he doesn't quite feel he belongs just yet. He'll get there - I just think he needs a breakout game.
Understandable for a kid playing just his 6th AFL game. Still he is clearly pulling his weight out there. A good pick-up at pick 15.
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Has clearly outshone a few at the club who have been there for years!
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Doesn't put his head over it
Thought he was a hard nut but he should been embarrassed by some of his efforts today
You reckon Gerks.
I thought he was solid today. Much improved on last week.
Yeah others had mentioned it over the last few weeks but I hadn't seen it
Kept an eye on him today and he sits back from a lot of 50/50 contests then goes in to tackle or receive
Rest of his game is fine
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Doesn't put his head over it
Thought he was a hard nut but he should been embarrassed by some of his efforts today
Maybe he has been watching houli
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He looked spent today.
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Bloody hell, not dominating at 18 with a whole 6 games under his belt :banghead dud delist :banghead :banghead
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Hi. First time poster.
For what it's worth I think some of the comments on this topic are pretty harsh on this kid. He has done terrifically well to date playing in all games and getting good numbers. The criticism of him that he"sits back" I think is incorrect. He was recruited as he is such a good user of the ball. He set up play all last season with the cannons and I think that for the moment that's what dimma has in mid for him. If he's down at the bottom of packs it makes it tough for him to do this. I think dimma's idea is that he wants him to have the ball in his hands and use it well and give the forwards more chances. If you mark him on that, I think he's had a pretty good season.
Morris has been a great pickup too.
BTW I am not his dad!
:gotigers
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Im guilty of originally thinking he was hard at it, but past couple weeks have been making me reconsider that.
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Bloody hell, not dominating at 18 with a whole 6 games under his belt :banghead dud delist :banghead :banghead
no one is expecting him to dominate
he aint putting his head over the ball when he should
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Bloody hell, not dominating at 18 with a whole 6 games under his belt :banghead dud delist :banghead :banghead
no one is expecting him to dominate you peanut panther
he aint putting his head over the ball when he should
I agree with the gerkin. Has the skills and footy smarts to make it just needs to eradicate that one part of his game where it 'appears' he doesn't want to make contact with the opposition.
What worries me more is that he seems to 'poo' himself and fumble the ball when he is given a pass and the opposition are chasing. Few times he has let it roll out of play or caused a hold up.
Just an observation. Still think he has been very good to date, will get better with more games.
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The rest of the team aren't afraid to pass it to him and is involved in much of our link work through the middle on the rebound. And maybe he is told not to jump on every ball? Give the kid a break. After 6 games he is already better than 25+ blokes on the list. He can only improve.
Bunch of skirts.
Btw gerks can only see your posts when you're quoted :rollin
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Dwain. I hate it when someones words get twisted into that "stop picking on a young bloke" poo.
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Dwain. I hate it when someones words get twisted into that "stop picking on a young bloke" poo.
Vegetarian. Clearly not thinking straight.
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I hate it when someone can't differentiate between constructive criticism and outright winging.
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Stating a fact is "winging"? What's winging?
:lol
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Its not about being an outside or an inside player its about him not putting his nose over it when its his turn to go. Myself and the people i go to the footy with have noticed it in multiple games this year. I like what Ellis offers and he is still very young but it is certainly an element of his game that he needs to improve. I'm confident he will and I think he'll be a quality player for us.
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Stating a fact is "winging"? What's winging?
:lol
Something to do with chickens perhaps...... ;D
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The rest of the team aren't afraid to pass it to him and is involved in much of our link work through the middle on the rebound. And maybe he is told not to jump on every ball? Give the kid a break. After 6 games he is already better than 25+ blokes on the list. He can only improve.
Bunch of skirts.
Btw gerks can only see your posts when you're quoted :rollin
So did you notice deep in the forward pocket when he was clear all he had to do was pick the ball up and he looked scared and fumbled it out of bounds? That deserves criticism no matter who you are
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I don't think he had a great game against Port. He is young and learning and needs to bulk up. He will gain more confidence when he bulks up.
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needs to bulk up?
think you might have ellis confused with someone else.
size is not an issue at all, pace may be though.
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If he bulked up anymore he would look like hulk hogan
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He does still needs to bulk up. He has good definition for his age, but he is all chest and arms. Needs plenty of work on shoulders, legs and back. As an 18/19 YO he has plenty of physical development ahead of him, which is a good thing. He aint tall so he should be aiming to be very solidly built.
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Ellis was just on Hutchy's show TAC Cup Future Stars. Ellis said he was expecting to play VFL in his first year but Dimma has taken him under his wing and has shown a lot of confidence in him. Hutchy told him he was fortunate to play in that Richmond team in his first year (as in Richmond are now on the up and it's a good time to be apart of it).
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Needs a rest soon I reckon!
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He was peeing himself laughing as the others were debating Hawthorns misery. I like Brandon Ellis he has the right attitude and thats to pee on other clubs and then laugh at em. :thumbsup
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Needs a rest soon I reckon!
they have been resting him, sub him off every last qtr, he does not need a rest, thats bs, he is fit he is strong and he has character
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to me he still plays as if he lacks a bit of self belief.
cant wait until he feels like he belongs at this level and flourishes
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Needs a rest soon I reckon!
why 18 posesions in 51 minutes of footy not enough for you. he doesn't look tired. isn't performing as if hes tired and is being used sparingly ie tog and roles hes being asked to play. why on earth would you want to rest such a good ball user whos showing more than enough for his age and experience.
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bingo
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The kid doesn't need a rest. He was good yesterday but his spectating of contests is going to cost us at some stage.
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The kid doesn't need a rest. He was good yesterday but his spectating of contests is going to cost us at some stage.
Yes needs to learn a bit off Morris in how to attack the contest
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Needs a rest soon I reckon!
why 18 posesions in 51 minutes of footy not enough for you. he doesn't look tired. isn't performing as if hes tired and is being used sparingly ie tog and roles hes being asked to play. why on earth would you want to rest such a good ball user whos showing more than enough for his age and experience.
lol....Don't drop Ellis but lets drop two guys who has 26 possessions 4 tackles and 4.2goals between them and another guy that has 21 possessions and 2 goals :lol :lol
I agree Ellis isn't ready to be dropped yet but some of your rational Claw is unbelievable :lol
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He definitely needs to strengthen up and that is understable given this is his first year of football at afl level. By strengthening up more he will be able to stand up in tackles
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The colt has been given a taste....but as a wise man once said "Never flog a willing horse"!
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Surely he's due for a rising star nomination? Hopefully kicking the winning goal attracts attention from the panel that gives out the nominations. He's played every game so far and most weeks has possession numbers in the late-teens as a first-year player.
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he is by far the best 1st yr player in the comp, im sure he was a saints fan too, but seeing his [passion and excitement after kicking that goal shows he is a tiger now....
he deserves the rising star noimination and honestly at this stage deserves the award.
as u said MT , played every game, had good numbers and has not been nursed into easy roles.
can tell you now once he gets better fitness and conditioning and dea and grimes are back in defence, ellis will add to our midfeild and be a star and we can say good bye to jackson
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he is by far the best 1st yr player in the comp, im sure he was a saints fan too, but seeing his [passion and excitement after kicking that goal shows he is a tiger now....
He was a massive Kangaroos fan IIRC. Honestly couldnt care if he gets the nod or not, to see a young player at 18 years of age step right into AFL footy and have a defensive impact on the game is absolutely outstanding.
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Going great, what a pick up, ready made at 18...
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he is by far the best 1st yr player in the comp, im sure he was a saints fan too, but seeing his [passion and excitement after kicking that goal shows he is a tiger now....
he deserves the rising star noimination and honestly at this stage deserves the award.
as u said MT , played every game, had good numbers and has not been nursed into easy roles.
can tell you now once he gets better fitness and conditioning and dea and grimes are back in defence, ellis will add to our midfeild and be a star and we can say good bye to jackson
Interesting. If you were to say best first year 18 year old player taken in the main draft last year, maybe. What are the other options? Greene? Coniglio?
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Has noticeably gone up a notch or 2 the last 2 weeks, looking more settled and comfy out there, and looks to have gained a yard of pace also, thought initially he was slow, but he's pretty quick!
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X's bias is stuffing unreal but Ellis was very good last night.
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Surely he's due for a rising star nomination? Hopefully kicking the winning goal attracts attention from the panel that gives out the nominations. He's played every game so far and most weeks has possession numbers in the late-teens as a first-year player.
good call MT. He's really been fantastic in his first year. Really exceeded all expectations I had. Would love to see him use the ball by foot alot more though but i'm sure that'll come when he gains more confidence.
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Ellis said he was a Nought fan as a kid.
Who cares was really solid last night and kicked an important goal in the last quarter too.
We've got a gem here. :thumbsup
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he is by far the best 1st yr player in the comp, im sure he was a saints fan too, but seeing his [passion and excitement after kicking that goal shows he is a tiger now....
He was a massive Kangaroos fan IIRC. Honestly couldnt care if he gets the nod or not, to see a young player at 18 years of age step right into AFL footy and have a defensive impact on the game is absolutely outstanding.
thats right he was, it was the saints who wanted to pick him up but thought he was too developed in his body and thought he would be a risk lol idiots
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he is by far the best 1st yr player in the comp, im sure he was a saints fan too, but seeing his [passion and excitement after kicking that goal shows he is a tiger now....
he deserves the rising star noimination and honestly at this stage deserves the award.
as u said MT , played every game, had good numbers and has not been nursed into easy roles.
can tell you now once he gets better fitness and conditioning and dea and grimes are back in defence, ellis will add to our midfeild and be a star and we can say good bye to jackson
Interesting. If you were to say best first year 18 year old player taken in the main draft last year, maybe. What are the other options? Greene? Coniglio?
they wouldnt get a game for us lol, sure they are going well , but they are not being tagged nor been given hard jobs,
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he is by far the best 1st yr player in the comp, im sure he was a saints fan too, but seeing his [passion and excitement after kicking that goal shows he is a tiger now....
He was a massive Kangaroos fan IIRC. Honestly couldnt care if he gets the nod or not, to see a young player at 18 years of age step right into AFL footy and have a defensive impact on the game is absolutely outstanding.
thats right he was, it was the saints who wanted to pick him up but thought he was too developed in his body and thought he would be a risk lol idiots
He was packing for Freo and we swooped in the pick before.
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Worried about him a little. Sure he finds the ball but he so often turns it over or puts people under pressure because he fumbles and seems scared. Patience for him because his played 10 games, but something he needs to work on
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Are you talking about ellis, the kid has hands like a steel trap and barely wastes a possie and could land a ball on a 5c piece....sounds like you were describing tambling....Ellis is doing very nicely , wrapt with the draft selection :thumbsup
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Very happy with where he's at as a first year player, but he's got a lot more confidence to gain - often makes a bad decision when he should back himself more,
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Another 19 possies today and named in our bests playing against many of his draft peers who were picked in last year's draft before him. Surely time for a Rising Star nomination.
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Another 19 possies today and named in our bests playing against many of his draft peers who were picked in last year's draft before him. Surely time for a Rising Star nomination.
Should have had a rising star nom ages ago. The spuds that they have given them too are much worse than Ellis.
That kick in the last though ... :shh
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Great start to a long career. Rest easy young man, you've earned it.
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Was excellent today, still pinching myself we managed to snaffle a draft suprise......again :shh
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Another 19 possies today and named in our bests playing against many of his draft peers who were picked in last year's draft before him. Surely time for a Rising Star nomination.
What's the bet he missed out to one of these umpire pets!??
Jeremy cameron has become my new whipping boy
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He badly needs a rest. He is looking real slow over the first few metres when he gets the ball and starts to run. Otherwise going good at the moment.
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Has really adapted to afl well i really like how dimma has put him in the 22 he knows he will have to suffer some short term pain /long term gain but the boy will be a part of our next years tilt at september
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I thought he had a shocker today, looked out of sorts.
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Yeah, another 19 possies with good efficiency in the wet. i agree last game against the dockers was flat but he was good yesterday. can't believe some of these comments saying he had a shocker. have you ever played the game?
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Yeah, another 19 possies with good efficiency in the wet. i agree last game against the dockers was flat but he was good yesterday. can't believe some of these comments saying he had a shocker. have you ever played the game?
Possibly trollers
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Was a better yesterday but struth he looks tired
One thing they really need him to focus on over the pre-season is upper body strength.
When he tackles his opponent breaks them far too easily. Was a glaring example of this yesterday near the boundary
It was probably more noticeable yesterday against the Giants because they have so many kids themselves but their kids tackles seemed to stick a lot more than young Brandon's and ours in general
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Yeah, another 19 possies with good efficiency in the wet. i agree last game against the dockers was flat but he was good yesterday. can't believe some of these comments saying he had a shocker. have you ever played the game?
Possibly people only remembering his kick at the end that resulted in a goal to Schulz.
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Agree with "Was a better yesterday but struth he looks tired
One thing they really need him to focus on over the pre-season is upper body strength.
When he tackles his opponent breaks them far too easily. Was a glaring example of this yesterday near the boundary
It was probably more noticeable yesterday against the Giants because they have so many kids themselves but their kids tackles seemed to stick a lot more than young Brandon's and ours in general" Will also make it easier for him to stand up in tackles
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I thought he looked tire and a bit off the pace, he is gonna be a gem, but he looks like he needs the bye to me, last few games he looked like he was running on empty, credit that he is still giving his all.
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An improved and solid game yesterday from Ellis with 21 possies and 5 inside 50s. Surely a first year player who has played every game up to round 16 and racks up 20+ possies deserves a Rising Star nomination?!
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Should win rising star this week for that effort
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I have been a 'knocker' but yesterday he was very good in all aspects of the game. I thought he was in the top 6 no worries at all.
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I have been a 'knocker' but yesterday he was very good in all aspects of the game. I thought he was in the top 6 no worries at all.
Think we are all guity of that mate
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I think the physicality and tempo of the game has caught up with him in recent weeks but yesterday was a marked improvement from his last 4 or 5 games. :thumbsup
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I have been a 'knocker' but yesterday he was very good in all aspects of the game. I thought he was in the top 6 no worries at all.
Think we are all guity of that mate
doubt it.
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An already open NAB AFL Rising Star field has been blown even further apart with Monday's news that Greater Western Sydney forward Jeremy Cameron is likely to be ineligible.
If Cameron doesn't go to the tribunal and win, Western Bulldogs second-year midfielder Mitch Wallis may become the frontrunner for the Rising Star.
Of the other nominees up until round 14, Geelong's Steven Motlop, Giants midfield pair Stephen Coniglio and Dylan Shiel, Essendon defender Jake Carlisle and Adelaide's Daniel Talia also have claims.
Gold Coast's Josh Caddy and Richmond half-back Brandon Ellis have yet to be nominated, but could also attract votes should they join the field before year's end.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/140945/default.aspx
Ellis is $41 with the bookies for the rising star btw ....
http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/australian-rules/rising-star
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still think he is not liking the
physical stuff, but geez give the
boy some jungle juice and set
him off on his way. :thumbsup
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Ellis is $41 with the bookies for the rising star btw ....
http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/australian-rules/rising-star
Worth a punt?
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Thought he was harder at the contest and just generally better on the weekend.
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Ellis is $41 with the bookies for the rising star btw ....
http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/australian-rules/rising-star
Worth a punt?
nup
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Agree with comments played a good game against Melbourne
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Lulz Aaryn Siposs won the nomination this week. I give up. :help
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Ellis is well overdue.
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Doubt the kid will get recognised
Its a shame
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Ellis is almost a year younger than Siposs, has had only had this year in the system compared to Siposs who played last year, has played all 14 games this year (twice as many as Siposs) and is averaging more disposals than Siposs (15 to 12). Over the past 6 weeks Ellis has averaged 17.3 disposals and cracked 20+ for the first time in his short career on the weekend. Ellis has also had more than 14 possies nine times this year compared to just Siposs' two. Not sure what the kid has to do to get a RS nomination? :huh
Ellis' 2012 stats: http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2212
Ellis vs Siposs
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=3653&tid2=16&pid2=3514&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S
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Maybe the other guy was just better on the weekend than Ellis?
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Sip-ass is a dud.
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Ellis is almost a year younger than Siposs, has had only had this year in the system compared to Siposs who played last year, has played all 14 games this year (twice as many as Siposs) and is averaging more disposals than Siposs (15 to 12). Over the past 6 weeks Ellis has averaged 17.3 disposals and cracked 20+ for the first time in his short career on the weekend. Ellis has also had more than 14 possies nine times this year compared to just Siposs' two. Not sure what the kid has to do to get a RS nomination? :huh
Ellis' 2012 stats: http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2212
Ellis vs Siposs
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=3653&tid2=16&pid2=3514&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S
yep just as i thought.
its a nothing award. token gesture
that allows the AFL a feel good
story each week.
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Ellis is almost a year younger than Siposs, has had only had this year in the system compared to Siposs who played last year, has played all 14 games this year (twice as many as Siposs) and is averaging more disposals than Siposs (15 to 12). Over the past 6 weeks Ellis has averaged 17.3 disposals and cracked 20+ for the first time in his short career on the weekend. Ellis has also had more than 14 possies nine times this year compared to just Siposs' two. Not sure what the kid has to do to get a RS nomination? :huh
Ellis' 2012 stats: http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2212
Ellis vs Siposs
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=3653&tid2=16&pid2=3514&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S
If Siposs Played for RFC and Ellis for SKFC then Ellis would have got the nod.....'nuff said, )we are victims, prey, as perceived, in reality we are stalking looming Tigers ready to pounce, destroy and devour, ney, gorge on our opponents as we grind them into dust and mushed marrow, mwah, mwah, put away the laser,) we know where we are and where we are going, forget the minor stuff, we are better than that.
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Just shows they choose the weekly rising star nomination most of the time from the winning team...
Caddy 15 disp. , 1 mark (69% gametime)
Ellis 24 disp., 12 marks (75% gametime)
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Yeah but the arguement will be Caddy kicked that 65 metre goal that got them within 10 points
We should go after him (Caddy) big time if he wants to come home ;D
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Will Ellis ever be nominated? Ffs
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Caddy played really well against Geelong. Go for him
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Yeah but the arguement will be Caddy kicked that 65 metre goal that got them within 10 points
We should go after him (Caddy) big time if he wants to come home ;D
At least we'd have a nomination then. :lol
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Richo brands Ellis
richmondfc.com.au
Wed 18 Jul, 2012
Richmond great Matthew Richardson believes it must surely only be a matter of time before first-year Tiger player Brandon Ellis receives an AFL Rising Star nomination this season.
The 18-year-old is averaging more than 15 disposals per match and is ranked fifth overall among first-year players this season for total disposals. He had a career-high 24 touches against Gold Coast Suns last Saturday.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/141912/default.aspx
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He hasnt been nominated because he is soft
FFS 30 years of first year players not being hard as Jack Dyer :banghead
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He hasnt been nominated because he is soft
FFS 30 years of first year players not being hard as Jack Dyer :banghead
interesting observation. :gobdrop
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He hasnt been nominated because he is soft
FFS 30 years of first year players not being hard as Jack Dyer :banghead
FFS 30 years :banghead
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Good work Richo. Guaranteed to get it this week. Then the conspiracy theorists will be out saying we won't beat Carlton because Ellis will get too far ahead of himself and there are evil cows on the moon plotting our demise.
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Thought Ellis was one of our best last weekend.
Couldn't believe some of the rubbish about him that I read during the game.
Going beautifully for an 18 year old.
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Good work Richo. Guaranteed to get it this week. Then the conspiracy theorists will be out saying we won't beat Carlton because Ellis will get too far ahead of himself and there are evil cows on the moon plotting our demise.
:lol
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The last two weeks he has been harder at the ball and more assured when it was in his hands. I commend him for working on his game and I am astonished that he didn't get a RS Nom this week.
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Good work Richo. Guaranteed to get it this week. Then the conspiracy theorists will be out saying we won't beat Carlton because Ellis will get too far ahead of himself and there are evil cows on the moon plotting our demise.
:lol
:lol
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Good work Richo. Guaranteed to get it this week. Then the conspiracy theorists will be out saying we won't beat Carlton because Ellis will get too far ahead of himself and there are evil cows on the moon plotting our demise.
:lol
:lol
:sleep :sleep
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Good work Richo. Guaranteed to get it this week. Then the conspiracy theorists will be out saying we won't beat Carlton because Ellis will get too far ahead of himself and there are evil cows on the moon plotting our demise.
:lol
:lol
:sleep :sleep
You've built with the wrong materials!
King Snefru would be rolling in his tomb >:(
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Most of his pyramids were badly built just like our playing list :thumbsup
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Very good game from him today. Well done to Brandon on his performance.
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No rising star nom again.. Surely.
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Very good game from him today. Well done to Brandon on his performance.
and this from an 18yo
Lots of good things to look forward to but yes we need to make this year's trade/draft/free agency periods big ones.
:cheers
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His last 3 weeks have been his best 3 games, starting to settle in nicely
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Liked his work. Is coming along nicely now. Ahead of Conca?
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Liked his work. Is coming along nicely now. Ahead of Conca?
Conca is becoming a get it and kick it anywhere merchant. Needs to told to stop just kicking it anywhere. Its poor footy from a top 10 pick.
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Very good game from him today. Well done to Brandon on his performance.
:thumbsup
A real positive
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Looking more and more like a genuine mid too.
His last month has been excellent. :thumbsup
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Liked his work. Is coming along nicely now. Ahead of Conca?
Yep that incident in the last quarter on the members wing where he blindly kicked it to the Nought player coming off the bench was woeful. All it needed was composure and a handball to the running player I think it was Dea next to him. I'm sure he'll learn but as quality around you goes down so do those players output who you've come to rely on in the B grade. Alas we are lacking some real quality in our lower tier that can step up and win a game like that. Has been missing all year.
Yep Ellis had another very good game again today. :thumbsup
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This kid is a ripper. :thumbsup
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2nd year blues for Conca, happens to all players. Conca will be alright.
Ellis' best game for the club. Cost me super coach by 1 point. Newman lost me another game...
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Best game so far in his short career. 21 possies including 8 contested @ 86% efficiency. Surely it's Rising Star nomination time [won't hold breath though].
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Israel Folau played for GWS and got 4 hit outs. I'm sure Folau will get the nod.
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Israel Folau played for GWS and got 4 hit outs. I'm sure Folau will get the nod.
Well I'm sold, give it to izzy ;D
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2nd year blues for Conca, happens to all players. Conca will be alright.
Ellis' best game for the club. Cost me super coach by 1 point. Newman lost me another game...
Geez i thought conca had a fair season
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One of the few best things that impresses me about this kid Ellis is his hardness at the ball and when he makes an error he does not give up. I think that when Matty Arnot gets into the side then we will have 2 "Campbell Browns" - ie players capable of hurting the opposition but with a few more brains than Browny (I hope).
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2nd year blues for Conca, happens to all players. Conca will be alright.
Ellis' best game for the club. Cost me super coach by 1 point. Newman lost me another game...
Geez i thought conca had a fair season
Hot and cold I reckon.
Been really impressed with Ellis in the last month. Deserves a nom this week
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Dud. Delist.
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2nd year blues for Conca, happens to all players. Conca will be alright.
Ellis' best game for the club. Cost me super coach by 1 point. Newman lost me another game...
Geez i thought conca had a fair season
x2 ah expectationsor should that say unrealistic expectations.
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Ellis in wonderland
By Luke Holmesby 9:24 AM Tue 24 Jul, 2012
Tiger Brandon Ellis is the round 17 NAB AFL Rising Star
BRANDON Ellis had no idea what direction his life would take in 2012.
After a standout year for TAC Cup team Calder Cannons, Ellis was widely considered a first-round draft pick.
But with GWS dominating the first round and lowly Gold Coast and the Brisbane Lions also featuring, it seemed probable that he would be heading on a plane to pursue his AFL dream.
No Victorian club had a selection until pick 15, but fortunately Ellis lasted long enough to be snapped up by the Tigers.
"I would have been happy to get drafted anywhere but it's an extra bonus to be drafted just a 10-minute drive from where you're living. It's a dream come true," Ellis said.
Ellis is this week's NAB AFL Rising Star nomination after his 21-possession game against North Melbourne on Sunday.
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/142417/default.aspx
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bout bloody time ;D
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I thought he should have been rested a few weeks ago, but his last two games have really impressed me. :clapping
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well done brandon - a rare positive from the last 2 weeks. Here's to a long successful career! :cheers :pray :pray :clapping
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I thought he should have been rested a few weeks ago, but his last two games have really impressed me. :clapping
Yep me too, but I'm glad he wasn't. As his last two games have been quite good.
Love his long kick too
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normally dont give an eff about these consolation prizes, but seems as i backed him for the rising star, happy to see him finally get a nom.
20 plus possies 3 weeks in a row now, if he keeps that up he is in with a show, as end of season form will be freshest in the judges minds when they vote ( hopefully)
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Well deserved and well overdue. Onya Brandon :clapping :thumbsup.
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VIDEO: Brandon Ellis speaks to the media after finding out he is this weeks Rising Star nominee ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/472094/default.aspx
VIDEO: We look at some highlights of Brandon Ellis so far this season ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/472099/default.aspx
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Congratulations to Brandon. I'm now convinced he will be our version of Heath Shaw going forward after serious doubts earlier on.
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Great kid, good player. Well done :thumbsup
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Congratulations to Brandon. I'm now convinced he will be our version of Heath Shaw going forwards after serious doubts earlier on.
serious doubts after half dozen games.
geez glad you arent our recruiter. :lol
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Congratulations to Brandon. I'm now convinced he will be our version of Heath Shaw going forwards after serious doubts earlier on.
serious doubts after half dozen games.
geez glad you arent our recruiter. :lol
I had serious doubts until 3 weeks ago. He had a habit of taking the soft option, but then again he is only a kid.
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http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/472292 Ellis on that AFL Central junk. Said Jack and Lids call him conehead because of his haircut lol
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What do people think of his leg speed?
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closer to slow than fast
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yep slow, will never be quick but has other attributes that he will hopefully utilise to maximum potential
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its all about development with this club
NOW...and if we are to keep improving these kids.
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Has he been on the run home yet on SEN? Just tuned in..
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Thought Brandon played well yesterday. I don't think it will be long before he enters the mid-field rotations. He should also finish in the top 10, possibly even 5, in Rising star voting.
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glad got a number of games into him. Needs to strengthen up over summer but has a bright future
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Dropped right away in the back half of the season.
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It was his first season ... Well done could not ask for much more
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Kid has potential and showed it. For once we have a young player that showed his stuff from the start. Can only get better with fitness and strength
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Round 17 - Brandon Ellis (Richmond): 21 games, averaged 15.7 disposals, 3.8 marks, 1.7 tackles. Ranked 2nd in Rising Stars for total uncontested possessions with 245. Ranked 5th in Rising Stars for total kicks with 183. Best outing was 24 touches, 12 marks, 2 tackles v Gold Coast in Round 16.
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2012/09/03/afl-rising-star-award-preview/
Not the worst set of stats for a first year player even if Ellis did tire towards the back end of the season. Lids likewise averaged 15 possies in his first season and he won the RS award that year.
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Lol Talia.
The guy is 22 ffs
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Grimes would have won it if he played all year.
Grrimes>>>>>>>> talia
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No votes for the Richmond boys ...
Here are the NAB AFL #RisingStar votes:
Talia 43
Cameron 35
Wallis 19
Treloar 15
Motlop 11
McDonald 7
Caddy 3
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No votes for the Richmond boys ...
Here are the NAB AFL #RisingStar votes:
Talia 43
Cameron 35
Wallis 19
Treloar 15
Motlop 11
McDonald 7
Caddy 3
Lmao no votes or Ellis.
What a joke. He's better than most of those.
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So how many votes did toby greene get? Or was the voting done today knowing he was ineligible?
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its become a bs award
Talia lol
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if talia was eligoble why not morris ffs, not like morris is much older lol
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Who is McDonald?
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Talia has a big head now.
Good luck spudding it up next year, Daniel.
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if talia was eligoble why not morris ffs, not like morris is much older lol
Because Talia is under 21 and hadn't played enough games to be ineligible. He turns 21 in October
Morris is 23 so doesn't qualify
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Toby was robbed
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:lol
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Toby was robbed
Ineligible due to getting reported by the MRP for a 100+ point offence IIRC.
Who is McDonald?
Melbourne's Tom McDonald.
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Who is McDonald?
Melbourne's Tom McDonald.
Oh, thanks!
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VIDEO: Brandon Ellis: Rising Tiger star
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/488749/Brandon%20Ellis:%20Rising%20Tiger%20star/
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Brandon Ellis won the 2km time trial today :thumbsup.
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Brandon Ellis won the 2km time trial today :thumbsup.
Surprised. Wasn't he pretty slow?
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Ellis has great endurance, not quick. He can run all day. A perfect wingman he is!
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Brandon Ellis won the 2km time trial today :thumbsup.
Surprised. Wasn't he pretty slow?
Think it's more his pace off the mark that's an issue.
Great effort by Brandon though. He's the type you want at footy clubs.
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Brandon Ellis won the 2km time trial today :thumbsup.
Surprised. Wasn't he pretty slow?
Think it's more his pace off the mark that's an issue.
Great effort by Brandon though. He's the type you want at footy clubs.
If only Dustin was like him
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I was overly critical of Brandon at times last year but geez he showed some real pluck as the year went on. Makes me think we will go for more in the Conca/Ellis mould this year and that would be: Vlaustin or Lonergan.
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Good with the time left over as the others were returning he should of practiced his kicking... ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz0iLSJf3w0
This is actually a very good interview with Brando. looks like a great kid. Still has a lot of development left in him. I think he'l become a very handy player for us.
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Glenn McFarlane @MaccaHeraldSun twitter:
"Early morning start for the Tigers in their first pre-season time trial. Full story and pics in Sunday Herald Sun. Brandon Ellis was flying"
"Ellis has definitely bulked up. Looks set for more time in midfield. "
"Agreed - he needs to work massively on his disposal. If he does, he can be a good player"
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I was overly critical of Brandon at times last year but geez he showed some real pluck as the year went on. Makes me think we will go for more in the Conca/Ellis mould this year and that would be: Vlaustin or Lonergan.
We need a touch more pace to compliment that group.
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Good to see size on Ellis. Helbig. Dea
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Looks like Ellis is leading the way again in the fitness runs :thumbsup
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151276386283276&set=a.10151276379698276.491891.298686323275&type=3&theater
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Tuck: "Cotch there's something on your back!"
Cotch: "What? Where? Get it off."
Derrickx: *ahahaehehehahehaehe*
Ellis: huurrrrr duurrrr
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Young Tiger on the prowl
Murray Wenzel
The Cairns Post
November 30, 2012
YOUNG Tiger Brandon Ellis expects the jokers to come out of the pack as the squad begins a mystery team-building journey from Gordonvale to the Daintree today.
The 19-year-old was a standout in his debut season, playing a staggering 21 games in the Richmond defence.
Now graduated from the rookie group, Ellis is one of the big boys and is helping the newest recruits.
"They had to get up and tell a bit about themselves," he said.
"A few cracked some funny jokes, but I have a feeling there will be a few more jokes once we get going on the Amazing Race."
As for what they are actually doing for the next three days, no-one is quite sure.
Players, media and most club staff are still in the dark on plans, although it is confirmed they will be outrigging at Yorkeys Knob tomorrow morning.
"I don't know too much about it. The coaches have been a little sly," Ellis said.
"It's been really good to get up here and train in the heat. It's different to anything at home. We've adapted pretty well and made sure we have hydrated well."
The Tiger said returning to the Cazalys turf, where they were slammed for another two hours in the heat yesterday morning, had brought back a few bad memories.
"It was pretty daunting. We walked over the pocket where Karmichael Hunt kicked that goal, where the Gold Coast boys celebrated. We can't wait to get back up here and make amends," Ellis said.
He said he was not feeling overwhelmed at the prospect of having to improve after such a successful first year in the AFL.
"I'm always thinking about it, pinching myself every time I walk out there," he said.
"There's a little bit of pressure, but with another pre-season under my belt hopefully I'll be fitter, improve my football and be able to help us make the finals."
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2012/11/30/237146_local-sport-news.html
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Not sure if I read too much into the pre-season training, the rave was all about Edwards last year, buklking up, quickest on the track etc...., the years befor that it was White.....While Edwards did have a very good year last year it wasn't reflective of the hype of his preseason and White, well ...... :-\
In saying that though I do like the way Ellis has bulked and the way a few of the other biys are looking, also good to see Derrickx up there....could be the smokey.
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ellis will be a star
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Not if he's playing for the burgers to squeeze jacko wacko into the 21.
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Ellis off to a flying start
By Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Sunday, December 30, 2012
Brandon Ellis is a young man who seems hell-bent on making the most of every second in the big time.
Richmond’s 19-year-old first pick in the 2011 National Draft (No. 15 overall) enjoyed an outstanding debut season for the Tigers, playing 21 of a possible 22 games.
After working hard in his first pre-season, Ellis slotted straight into the senior team for the opening match of the season against Carlton, and hardly looked like giving up his spot all year.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2012-12-30/ellis-off-to-a-flying-start
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On the rise: Brandon Ellis
By Jennifer Witham
afl.com.au
Wednesday, January 9, 2013
At a glance: The tough defender didn't waste any time in making his AFL debut when he was selected in round one, 2012, to face Carlton at the MCG. He had arrived at Punt Rd via the 2011 NAB AFL Draft (selection No.15 overall) and was ready to push for selection with a solid body courtesy of a weights regime he stuck to during his junior years. Had nine disposals and laid two tackles in his first game and held his spot, which he maintained for all but one game throughout the season. Earned a NAB AFL Rising Star nomination in round 17 for his 21 touches, while his booming and accurate kick allowed him take many of the Tigers' kick ins. Playing on some of the League's best small forwards, Ellis also displayed his massive tank – shown when he ran a 15.4 beep test at the 2011 NAB AFL Combine.
Plays like: Collingwood's Heath Shaw. Hard running, tough, uses the ball well, loves a tackle, solid rebounder and has the ability to push into the midfield when required.
Killer quality: When he was drafted, the Tigers rated him in the top three kicks from the talent pool, which was why he was often given the role of bringing the ball back into play from the defensive goal square throughout the year. His tank also gives him scope to play in the midfield.
Best performance: He had four games in a row where he amassed more than 20 touches, with the fourth against North Melbourne in round 17. Here, he picked up 21 touches and played a role against small forward Lindsay Thomas. His performance against Gold Coast the week before (24 disposals, 12 marks) was also impressive.
What they say: "Brandon has ticked every box since arriving at the club and the way he worked his way into the senior side is a credit to his work rate and determination. His attitude on and off the field has been outstanding. We've also been impressed with his versatility and his ability to play a number of roles for us this year, including as a running defender and a midfielder." – Damien Hardwick after round 17.
Stats that matter:
Seventh in rebounds (32 @ 1.5 per game)
Seventh in marks (80 @ 3.8 per game)
12th in kicks (183 @ 8.7 per game)
12th in handballs (147 @ 7.0 per game)
12th in clearances (15 @ 0.7 per game)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-01-09/brandon-
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Ellis driven to succeed
By richmondfc.com.au
2:10pm AEDT Thursday, February 14, 2013
The combination of a rigorous pre-season training regime, and Mark ‘Choco’ Williams’ arrival at Tigerland as development coach, is just the tonic to help rising Richmond star Brandon Ellis keep the dreaded “second-year blues” at bay.
“It (pre-season training) has been a lot harder than last year,” Ellis said.
“Last year, I did about 70-75% of pre-season. But this year I’ve done just about everything, plus two or three extra gym sessions a week to put on three or four kilos, because they want me playing at a heavier weight.
“When I got to the Club, I had to strip a few kilos off. So, I lost that and now I’m just gradually building some muscle . . .
“It’s been pretty tough, but I’m looking forward to the season starting.”
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-02-14/ellis-driven-to-succeed
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On the rise: Brandon Ellis
By Jennifer Witham
afl.com.au
Wednesday, January 9, 2013
At a glance: The tough defender didn't waste any time in making his AFL debut when he was selected in round one, 2012, to face Carlton at the MCG. He had arrived at Punt Rd via the 2011 NAB AFL Draft (selection No.15 overall) and was ready to push for selection with a solid body courtesy of a weights regime he stuck to during his junior years. Had nine disposals and laid two tackles in his first game and held his spot, which he maintained for all but one game throughout the season. Earned a NAB AFL Rising Star nomination in round 17 for his 21 touches, while his booming and accurate kick allowed him take many of the Tigers' kick ins. Playing on some of the League's best small forwards, Ellis also displayed his massive tank – shown when he ran a 15.4 beep test at the 2011 NAB AFL Combine.
Plays like: Collingwood's Heath Shaw. Hard running, tough, uses the ball well, loves a tackle, solid rebounder and has the ability to push into the midfield when required.
Killer quality: When he was drafted, the Tigers rated him in the top three kicks from the talent pool, which was why he was often given the role of bringing the ball back into play from the defensive goal square throughout the year. His tank also gives him scope to play in the midfield.
Best performance: He had four games in a row where he amassed more than 20 touches, with the fourth against North Melbourne in round 17. Here, he picked up 21 touches and played a role against small forward Lindsay Thomas. His performance against Gold Coast the week before (24 disposals, 12 marks) was also impressive.
What they say: "Brandon has ticked every box since arriving at the club and the way he worked his way into the senior side is a credit to his work rate and determination. His attitude on and off the field has been outstanding. We've also been impressed with his versatility and his ability to play a number of roles for us this year, including as a running defender and a midfielder." – Damien Hardwick after round 17.
Stats that matter:
Seventh in rebounds (32 @ 1.5 per game)
Seventh in marks (80 @ 3.8 per game)
12th in kicks (183 @ 8.7 per game)
12th in handballs (147 @ 7.0 per game)
12th in clearances (15 @ 0.7 per game)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-01-09/brandon-
Since when?
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I think there confusing stamina with toughness
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Ellis just needs to finish off his good work in front of goal (would've been the winner in hindsight) and he'll develop into a complete footballer. For his size he is a very strong mark above his head. That contest on defensive 50 in the last half of the North game where the North player looked for all money like spoiling him yet the ball stuck in his mits.
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Fair pickup at 15 in a compromised draft FJ. :thumbsup
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Fair pickup at 15 in a compromised draft FJ. :thumbsup
Yep since Jack in 2006, FJ has done very well with our first round picks - Jack, Cotch, Vickery, Martin, Conca, Ellis & Vlastuin.
During summer training, Ellis was leading the trial runs. That sign of improved endurance seemed to carry over to the game last night as he was in the play at both ends running up and down the ground.
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Kid skill play 200+ games.
Once he gets his disposal and decision making better will be even better.
Kid is only 19 and will improve heaps.
Have plenty of time for him.
Goal saving tackle on Sylvia was strong desperate and clinical. Great stuff. :thumbsup
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Yep since Jack in 2006, FJ has done very well with our first round picks - Jack, Cotch, Vickery, Martin, Conca, Ellis & Vlastuin.
That makes for very pretty reading MT.
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Brandon played by far his best game for the Club tonight. Not only had 25 possies but was also impacting on the game. Hopefully a breakout game for him.
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Brandon played by far his best game for the Club tonight. Not only had 25 possies but was also impacting on the game. Hopefully a breakout game for him.
Good to see him come back after a poor start to the season. He mustve been hurting after putting in a terrific preseason. Was an asset out there tonight. If he can build on that he'll be a real player
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^ agree
Took some clinch marks tonight too. Lets hope he can build on this game and become a weekly contributor.
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Yep agreed the kid took a couple of great courageous marks tonight and found the ball on the ground too and was good with his disposal. Thought was one of our best players tonight. :thumbsup
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Brandon played by far his best game for the Club tonight. Not only had 25 possies but was also impacting on the game. Hopefully a breakout game for him.
Good to see him come back after a poor start to the season. He mustve been hurting after putting in a terrific preseason. Was an asset out there tonight. If he can build on that he'll be a real player
Needed and deserved 100 minutes of football which he got last night.
Actually out him in our top 3, great game Brandon :clapping
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OK start rolling in the apologies for those who call him weak and soft, you can look at his whole game but if you need more specifics go to the third quarter where he put his body on the line going back with the ball.
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Didn't call him weak and soft.
Did call his game a disgrace last week (which it was).
So I definitely won't be apologising.
BUT. I tip my hat to his fantastic effort tonight. He was super. More of the same would be good.
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in a quarter and a bit he as many or more possessions that half the team last week.
thats a disgrace?
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in a quarter and a bit he as many or more possessions that half the team last week.
thats a disgrace?
Last week was horrible. Made 3 fundamental skill errors, 2 of which cost goals. He dropped 2 absolute puds, one of which hit him square in the guts in front of goal.
He was super this week however and hopefully they abandon the idea of using him as a sub.
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then youd have to say that Maic has been disgrace all year as well, probably cotchin too
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Should never ever be a sub again. Thank god he played a whole game.
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2nd year player and already some are targeting
him, sheesh we are a miserable lot.
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2nd year player and already some are targeting
him, sheesh we are a miserable lot.
haha rog, he was being targeted before he had 10 games notched.
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Should never ever be a sub again. Thank god he played a whole game.
Agree 100%.
Needs to play the whole game
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Played well against Freo. Well done to him
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2nd year player and already some are targeting
him, sheesh we are a miserable lot.
IMO if you've played 1 game or 300 games once you set foot onto the field everyone has a right to criticise you as long as it's not out right abuse. What's the point of ignoring his flaws and saying he had an amazing game? Nothing
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yeah, but to single him out for last weeks game as "putrid" and a "disgrace" when there we were a lot of players that saw no more of the ball in a full game of
footy as he did in a quarter and bit?
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yeah, but to single him out for last weeks game as "putrid" and a "disgrace" when there we were a lot of players that saw no more of the ball in a full game of
footy as he did in a quarter and bit?
Who cares what everyone else did, he played bad and that's that
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not that bad
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remember folks he is a second year player..his form is still going to fluctuate....a lot
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Best game i've seen him play, I was starting to have a few doubts about him.
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not that bad
not that good either al he got 13 or so touches which was okay after he came on for tucky but there were a few mediocre efforts in that and in a side that got beaten comprehensively in the second half they stand out especially that dropped mark in the forward line when we had fought back to 22 points down.
I have plenty of time for Brandon and think he will play 200 games for us hence I may be overcritical of it but games like his on Friday night confirm what I already think of this kid in his second year of footy and the way he goes about it. :thumbsup
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Coming along nicely now. Another 20+ possies game today. He's really gone to a new level this year and now imposing himself on games. A good pick up for a late first rounder (pick 15). The best thing today was he stood up on his own, took ownership and was proactive across half-back and helped turned back the tide when Port lifted especially in that 3rd qtr. That gutsy mark going back with the flight typified his game today.
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Thought he made a few skill errors, but couldn't fault his intensity today as he had a strong dip.
Grigg on the other hand.....
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Goes good
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39 possessions and 1 goal today against the demons. Great game.
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Well done kid.
With his tank WHY WHY WHY was he being played as a sub.
Huge game today. Back it up against the bombers.
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Gone past Grigg.
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what i liked most was he had a massive 1st half, then for a period in the 3rd qtr he made a few mistakes and instead of going into his shell thinking bugger it jobs done Ive got enough brownie points, he stepped it up and finished with a big last qtr. Now we are starting to see the results of all the pre season talk about his engine and how well he runs. Great performance :cheers
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We now have another genuine and influential mid who can run wild. Was in everything today. A credit to his hard work. Well done kid
Vlastuin not far behind.
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He was epic today, Tigger not far behind and Dusty also contributed.
Nice to see the future on display making demons future look even bleaker
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lol @ epic..nice touch there yellow
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BOG for mine today huge impact and a huge tank.
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Not bad for a pea hearted second year player
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Gone past Grigg.
Even good ol smokey in here has gone past Grigg lol ;D
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:lol :bow
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Electric Ellis
By richmondfc.com.au
Monday, May 20, 2013
The 39 disposals racked up by Richmond’s rising star, Brandon Ellis, in a best-on-ground display against Melbourne at the MCG yesterday (Sunday, May 19), was the equal-highest number by a teenager in the AFL competition for the past 20 years.
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-20/-electric-ellis
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Good boy :clapping
Not bad for a pea hearted second year player
with no tank
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Who was calling for this kid to go to Coburg? Best game I have seen a young player play in a long time.
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Who was calling for this kid to go to Coburg? Best game I have seen a young player play in a long time.
Must have been more than one surely. Only one poster calling for his head means the kids a gun. :whistle
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Was a different player against Melbourne. Ran hard to get to every contest or to receive and took some strong marks. Didn't look exhausted and wasn't jogging around aimlessly by half time like in previous matches. But then, it was against Melbourne and they love to turn the ball over which will reward a team that is always behind the contests. Still, this is the effort we should expect every week.
16 possessions in the first quarter and the dees were in front. His disposals were mostly inconsequential. I would love to know the total meters gained from his 39 disposals. There were plenty of sideways and backwards 15m chips and hot potato handballs. Still fumbles and turns the ball over under pressure. But that could be blamed on Richmond's ineffective defensive game plan that broke down and kept Melbourne in the contest for four quarters rather than any fault of the kids. At least we know he is capable of running hard now.
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His disposals were mostly inconsequential. I would love to know the total meters gained from his 39 disposals. There were plenty of sideways and backwards 15m chips and hot potato handballs. Still fumbles and turns the ball over under pressure.
Well that has to be the most ridiculous post I've read on here for a long time...and that's saying something !
At least we know he is capable of running hard now.
You're only making yourself sound sillier now.
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Was a different player against Melbourne. Ran hard to get to every contest or to receive and took some strong marks. Didn't look exhausted and wasn't jogging around aimlessly by half time like in previous matches. But then, it was against Melbourne and they love to turn the ball over which will reward a team that is always behind the contests. Still, this is the effort we should expect every week.
16 possessions in the first quarter and the dees were in front. His disposals were mostly inconsequential. I would love to know the total meters gained from his 39 disposals. There were plenty of sideways and backwards 15m chips and hot potato handballs. Still fumbles and turns the ball over under pressure. But that could be blamed on Richmond's ineffective defensive game plan that broke down and kept Melbourne in the contest for four quarters rather than any fault of the kids. At least we know he is capable of running hard now.
I think you should stick a plug in it, preferably 2 plugs.
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Well that has to be the most ridiculous post I've read on here for a long time...and that's saying something !
You look silly. 1st quarter. Ellis disposals. Inconsequential. Melbourne were up by 2 points. Put the ball in a players hands who would take the game on, run and carry, kick long to advantage, attack, be creative etc. eg Martin, Deledio, Vlaustin, Cotchin etc. we would have been up by 5 goals at quarter time. Consider the lack of pressure that Melbourne applied and he was running free on the wing without an opponent. Should really watch the game closely before you get sucked in by the hype.
Two words. Metres Gained.
19.42 Receives kick, tackled, falls over, kicks 40m down the line to contest. Rance overwhelmed.
18.26 Handballs 15m backwards to jackson.
16.49 Disposessed
16.32 Kicked 50m straight up in the air, about 10m forwards. Called play on.
14:44 Dropped Mark, fumbled over boundary line.
14.27 25m kick along ground. Melb gets ball. 50m penalty - Melbourne goal.
13.05 20m sideways kick to edwards.
11.25 fumbles - stumbles - falls over - free kick - 30m chip pass to boundary line near attacking 50m.
10.48 hb receive - 30m chip pass to boundary line near attacking 50m.
9.32 Loose ball, handball to jackson - back again - handball cotchin.
9.10 receives, no pressure, 55m out, floats a 40m kick on top of kings (178cm) head against taller garland 191cm. Was plenty space in front of king if the pass was kicked to his advantage.
8.30 Cut off wayward melbourne kick on the wing. Good mark but made it look hard. 10m kick to Dea. Was not required distance - play on.
8.20 Gets it back from dea, kicks it 20m sideways - 10m forward in centre of ground to foley.
Timmy Watson mentions lack of pressure on Tigers mid to 50m kicks.
2.49 Receives handball - handballs forward 20m - receives it back and then runs himself into trouble, handballs backwards to vlaustin. Vlaustin takes the game on.
1.18 Receives kick - handballs backwards to houli who running past. Houli gets in trouble - handballs back to him. He gives it right back to Houli. Scared.
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I actually understand where unplugged is coming from.
I thought Ellis was very good but didn't think he was BOG because of that 1st qtr. alot of his kicks didn't really impact on our ability to score. Too many chip kicks switching play, granted he wasn't alone, they were all doing it.
But his long kicking is a treat to watch and I hate seeing him wasting it with little "dinky" chip kicks
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Irrespective of his kicking effectiveness I think 39 disposals for a still teenager is amazing
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Irrespective of his kicking effectiveness I think 39 disposals for a still teenager is amazing
Certainly not disputing that
Was surprised Melb didn't try and stop us using Ellis as the go to release player TBH
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Disgraceful
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My flabber is well and truly gassted
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So many errors... Make an example of him and drop him to coburg. If only he had less disposals he would have made fewer errors. Hack. Three letters: nfi
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So many errors... Make an example of him and drop him to coburg. If only he had less disposals he would have made fewer errors. Hack. Three letters: nfi
Don't be too hard on yourself. :cheers
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Pay that :)
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WGAF. Second year player had a blinder. Quit yo jibba jabber.
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Well that has to be the most ridiculous post I've read on here for a long time...and that's saying something !
You look silly. 1st quarter. Ellis disposals. Inconsequential. Melbourne were up by 2 points. Put the ball in a players hands who would take the game on, run and carry, kick long to advantage, attack, be creative etc. eg Martin, Deledio, Vlaustin, Cotchin etc. we would have been up by 5 goals at quarter time. Consider the lack of pressure that Melbourne applied and he was running free on the wing without an opponent. Should really watch the game closely before you get sucked in by the hype.
Two words. Metres Gained.
19.42 Receives kick, tackled, falls over, kicks 40m down the line to contest. Rance overwhelmed.
18.26 Handballs 15m backwards to jackson.
16.49 Disposessed
16.32 Kicked 50m straight up in the air, about 10m forwards. Called play on.
14:44 Dropped Mark, fumbled over boundary line.
14.27 25m kick along ground. Melb gets ball. 50m penalty - Melbourne goal.
13.05 20m sideways kick to edwards.
11.25 fumbles - stumbles - falls over - free kick - 30m chip pass to boundary line near attacking 50m.
10.48 hb receive - 30m chip pass to boundary line near attacking 50m.
9.32 Loose ball, handball to jackson - back again - handball cotchin.
9.10 receives, no pressure, 55m out, floats a 40m kick on top of kings (178cm) head against taller garland 191cm. Was plenty space in front of king if the pass was kicked to his advantage.
8.30 Cut off wayward melbourne kick on the wing. Good mark but made it look hard. 10m kick to Dea. Was not required distance - play on.
8.20 Gets it back from dea, kicks it 20m sideways - 10m forward in centre of ground to foley.
Timmy Watson mentions lack of pressure on Tigers mid to 50m kicks.
2.49 Receives handball - handballs forward 20m - receives it back and then runs himself into trouble, handballs backwards to vlaustin. Vlaustin takes the game on.
1.18 Receives kick - handballs backwards to houli who running past. Houli gets in trouble - handballs back to him. He gives it right back to Houli. Scared.
Your 1st sentence sums up you and this post
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I can't believe we are breaking down the stats of a kid in his second year who got the pill 39 times but a bloke like Jako who butchers momentum the footy and everything else consistently never gets an in depth analysis like this.
Goes to show if people don't like a player the lengths they will stoop to criticise everything.
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Last week was the first time that I thought he had the ability to be an above average footballer. Needs to continue to work on his game and not stuff around with the chip kicks but the boy is going ok.
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Will watch with interest his game this week.
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I love the modern game. Chip passes are now 30m.
Agree Ellis wasn't very damaging despite the big numbers.
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I can't believe we are breaking down the stats of a kid in his second year who got the pill 39 times but a bloke like Jako who butchers momentum the footy and everything else consistently never gets an in depth analysis like this.
Goes to show if people don't like a player the lengths they will stoop to criticise everything.
good post
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Joel Bowden says hi Tucks ;D
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Ando @Tigers_of_Old twitter:
"Looks like Ellis did his hamstring at training. Eff me."
:(
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Is this a reliable source OE? Who is on the emergency list who could replace him? Hope its a furphy :pray
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Is this a reliable source OE? Who is on the emergency list who could replace him? Hope its a furphy :pray
Bring forth the Biscuit.... :shh
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Is this a reliable source OE? Who is on the emergency list who could replace him? Hope its a furphy :pray
Just quoting TOO on twitter Stripes.
Nahas, Dea and A.Edwards are on the emergency list. Presumably Nahas will come in out of those three.
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Sads
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Bloody hell! Are you kidding me??
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stuff.
Went over to have a look at Veruca Salt Blitz forums and they have a thread US against them lmaoooooooo.
stuffing jokers this mob.They stuff up and then it's Us Against them.
They think the World owes em.
We better smash these farks tomorrow.
Carlisle 5kgs heavier than Jack.
I wonder why? ::)
stuffing cheats of our game.
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Anyway Ellis being injured may be a small blessing in disguise as it will mean our players know they have to lift more.
One player doesn't make a team even though we are all devastated about Ellis injury.
Hope he has a speedy recovery.
WE can still win this game.
Don't give the umpires any little tiny excuse to give their red and blacks a free.
Disciplne boys and don't worry about the crowd.
Control the tempo.
The smuggest spoilt brat supporters on this planet are gonna have a reality check tomorrow.
CARN TIGES!
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Arnot to play and kill someone
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Arnot to play and kill someone
Errr no
Not listed as an emergency so highly unlikely
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Would like to see Edwards come in for him but don't think he will, we need the run.
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Arnot to play and kill someone
Who would you like him to kill?
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Would like to see Edwards come in for him but don't think he will, we need the run.
Agree see Nahas getting another unwarranted opportunity :banghead
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Bloody what??? :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Nahas has been a waste of space on the field of late. Want to play out of his skin to make up for Ellis' absence. He is not the endurance runner Ellis is. :(
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If he is injured, we have till 5pm tonight to change our emergencys listed
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If he is injured, we have till 5pm tonight to change our emergencys listed
Nahas will play a blinder vs the bummers IMO
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I heard on the radio about 2 or 3 days ago that Ellis left the training track. But Dimma said in his conference that due to the last game being on a Sunday they take the early training lightly and there was nothing to be concerned about.
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Can anyone confirm the injury??
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Rach @Rach_Ritt twitter:
"@mightytiges @Tigers_of_Old he looked perfectly fine to me when he left training today."
Hopefully Rach is right and the rumour isn't true :pray. I've asked RFCO on twitter to confirm either way.
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Awesome.
:cheers
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If he is injured, we have till 5pm tonight to change our emergencys listed
Nahas will play a blinder vs the bummers IMO
Or do you mean a blinder for the bummers ;D
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The silence on this is deafening (could mean it is true). However the fact that NO news agency has picked it up after hours of it first surfacing gives me hope that it is false.
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If he is injured, we have till 5pm tonight to change our emergencys listed
Nahas will play a blinder vs the bummers IMO
Or do you mean a blinder for the bummers ;D
Toss a coin
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Rach @Rach_Ritt twitter:
"@mightytiges @Tigers_of_Old he looked perfectly fine to me when he left training today."
Hopefully Rach is right and the rumour isn't true :pray. I've asked RFCO on twitter to confirm either way.
This is good!
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Arnot to play and kill someone
Errr no
Not listed as an emergency so highly unlikely
Still could. Although most likely Dea
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My mail is he s fine :shh
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From Greggy on BF:
"Ellis rumor is a crock, he trained fine, I saw it first hand."
"Was a light session, that's why I find it hard to believe he would've pulled up sore, maybe a late kick at goals twanged it, but he walked off with no fanfare. "
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/round-9-richmond-vs-essendon-dreamtime-at-the-g.1007386/page-14#post-28380516
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A I was saying ::)
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Bo's mail must come from deep within the bowels of the club
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So did Ellis do his hamstring at training?
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Hope its false has been murdering it in supercoach and dreamteam :cheers
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Hope its false has been murdering it in supercoach and dreamteam :cheers
:cheers
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The rumours about this are still persisting. I hope they're rubbish :pray.
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The rumours about this are still persisting. I hope they're rubbish :pray.
Is out.Nahas In. :banghead
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Just Great
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Sheesh
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Dimma said he'd be out for two or three when Rick interviewed him before the game started
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Dimma said he'd be out for two or three when Rick interviewed him before the game started
Wow. How effing fantastic for those that have him in fantasy sides. Dimma, you obviously knew and deliberately said nothing. Glad it means 2 parts of 5 eighths of f-ckall to you Dimma. Some of us have a bet on football, some of us enter competitions and genuinely try to win, and both of these scenarios presume that at the least you and your team could have had a crack but it appears based on tonights effort that this isn't always the case.
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In b4 Dwaino's "u mad bro"
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In b4 Dwaino's "u mad bro"
:banghead inb4 me
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Dimma said he'd be out for two or three when Rick interviewed him before the game started
Wow. How effing fantastic for those that have him in fantasy sides. Dimma, you obviously knew and deliberately said nothing. Glad it means 2 parts of 5 eighths of f-ckall to you Dimma. Some of us have a bet on football, some of us enter competitions and genuinely try to win, and both of these scenarios presume that at the least you and your team could have had a crack but it appears based on tonights effort that this isn't always the case.
:clapping bunch of aholes sick Iof their smoke and mirrors,
woah so sheedy 90's
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Ellis to return after the bye
Exclusive to richmondfc.com.au
4:47pm AEST Monday, May 27, 2013
Emerging Richmond midfielder Brandon Ellis is expected to return to the field after the Tigers’ bye, as he recovers from a minor hamstring strain.
Ellis, who suffered the injury at training in the lead-up to last Saturday night’s Dreamtime match against Essendon, will miss Richmond’s next game, against West Coast on Monday, June 3.
He is expected to be fit for the Round 12 meeting with Adelaide at the MCG on Saturday, June 15.
Book your place at Richmond’s Hall of Fame function on June 15.
The 19-year-old was in brilliant form before the setback, collecting a career-high 39 disposals against Melbourne in Round 8.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-27/ellis-to-return-after-the-bye
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Straight back into the side and he didn't miss a beat. He's having a top breakout year.
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Straight back into the side and he didn't miss a beat. He's having a top breakout year.
Agree 100% and also Conca is flying too!!! :thumbsup
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This kids a keeper, would love to see that tosspot poster who bagged his 39 possie game give his uneducated, pathetic review of yesterday's game.
::)
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This kids a keeper, would love to see that tosspot poster who bagged his 39 possie game give his uneducated, pathetic review of yesterday's game.
::)
It wasn't me but I must admit I'm still not a massive fan. I'm really glad he has moved to a wing where he can use his fitness to run up and down the wings all day, but playing him in the backline is not an option IMO. He still needs to be able to win one on one contests, at the moment at best he halves them. If he is to become an onballer,I think he needs to be able to win those contests.
Good luck to the kid though, he is definitely improving. And more to the point, he doesn't need me to like him.
Love the way the whole side is playing these last two games, the tackling and pressure at the ball carrier is what it takes to become a great side. You do that and even the good sides start to fumble and turn the footy over. Really awesome to watch! :gotigers
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The only criticism I ever had of Ellis was his disposal (justifiably) and that has improved, the rest of his game is great, he will be an asset to the side and a very good player of the future.
He will be moved into different positions as he progresses, it will be part of his development, so no need to hold that against him if he doesn't quite cut it in every role.
When he finds his true position.....whoa...look out!!!
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his disposal is way above average and his kicking is pretty damn good to be honest
this kid is not just gonna be quality player but a quality person
we r in good shape
conca ellis vlas are all captaincy material
once we get rid of our bottom 4 players and replace them with decent players we will be flag contenders
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we r in good shape
conca ellis vlas are all captaincy material
once we get rid of our bottom 4 players and replace them with decent players we will be flag contenders
LMAO, and they say a week is a long time in footy. 2 weeks is an eternity.
banner should simply say.....
WE ARE NOT RICHMOND........ WE ARE stuffED!
killer instinct lmao been over 30 yrs since we had one
and killer instinct begins at the selection table and sadly softwick lacks this
soft coach produces marshmallow players
after tomorrow we are out of finals contention
another yr of failure
think hardwick needs the bullet
he is fos
because hardwick is a bigger spin doctor than mmr wallet himself
he has fooled us all
hardwick must be sacked or walk if we dont make the this yr
he is fos
hardwick cannot coach
all he does is try copy other coaches
has no idea what he is doing and which players to select
he is pathetic and talks the talk
another wallet
Waiting for the inevitable abuse that comes from anyone that disagrees with you or points out anything you dont like
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LOL gotta give the points to Damo there :clapping
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This kids a keeper, would love to see that tosspot poster who bagged his 39 possie game give his uneducated, pathetic review of yesterday's game.
::)
It wasn't me but I must admit I'm still not a massive fan. I'm really glad he has moved to a wing where he can use his fitness to run up and down the wings all day, but playing him in the backline is not an option IMO. He still needs to be able to win one on one contests, at the moment at best he halves them. If he is to become an onballer,I think he needs to be able to win those contests.
Good luck to the kid though, he is definitely improving. And more to the point, he doesn't need me to like him.
Love the way the whole side is playing these last two games, the tackling and pressure at the ball carrier is what it takes to become a great side. You do that and even the good sides start to fumble and turn the footy over. Really awesome to watch! :gotigers
Quality Big Tone :clapping
He took a nice marking with a pack bearing down on him(kinda) which showed more nerve under physical pressure than we have seen in the past. Hopefully this is a sign of his confidence levels rising as he gets more games under his belt.
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He looked pretty damn good, thought it was one of the best games he has played this year.
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The goals he kicked were critical. His second goal was a beauty.
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LOL gotta give the points to Damo there :clapping
First round knockout for sure. One punch knockout even
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Doesn't look as soft as he did last year. Starting to warm to him
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Doesn't look as soft as he did last year. Starting to warm to him
He is only 19 or 20 in his second year. 99% of kids are rightfully soft as they are playing bigger bodies and they would be scared.
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Doesn't look as soft as he did last year. Starting to warm to him
He is only 19 or 20 in his second year. 99% of kids are rightfully soft as they are playing bigger bodies and they would be scared.
I'd argue most aren't, but it doesn't bother me for now he just has to out grow it.
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Ellis has agreed to terms on a new two-year contract according to Caro.
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VIDEO: Ellis interviewed after his 24 possession game against Freo ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-07-22/round-17-ellis-post-match
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VIDEO: Ellis interviewed after his 24 possession game against Freo ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-07-22/round-17-ellis-post-match
Seemed very nervous and jittery on the weekend. Rarely took risks by foot preferring to kick back or sideways rather than try and thread it through traffic. Still plays lie a 19 year old :shh
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Another 25 possies for Ellis at 84% efficiency. Showing once again he was a bargain to be still around at pick 15 in his draft year.
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Turning out to be a very good player and the best of our batch of up and comers. Runs all day
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he conca and vlas are our future
we must re sign conca , ellis and martin have great chemistry on the ground and r always there for each other
love how these 2 combine in many plays
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Can he kick in tight situations? All I've seen are up and unders that admittedly hit the target. Not bagging the kid as he runs hard to get himself into situations that don't require tough kicks, but I worry he might not be able to if teams clamp down a little on him. Still has plenty of years to prove me wrong :thumbsup
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Kids fine he is only in his second season and has played 30 odd games. Love his attitude.
I believe the blind kicking you talk about will eradicate itself as time goes by and as he matures and realises he has more time than he thinks. Have seen him shank some shots at goal that he has rushed when it was clear that he had more time than he actually gave himself.
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he conca and vlas are our future
we must re sign conca , ellis and martin have great chemistry on the ground and r always there for each other
love how these 2 combine in many plays
Vlastuin. Ellis. Conca. Martin :shh
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Kids fine he is only in his second season and has played 30 odd games. Love his attitude.
I believe the blind kicking you talk about will eradicate itself as time goes by and as he matures and realises he has more time than he thinks. Have seen him shank some shots at goal that he has rushed when it was clear that he had more time than he actually gave himself.
It's not the blind kicks because he has no time it's the kicks where he has plenty of time but still lofts them
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Conca aint worth 450k.
LMAO@ That.
Hawthorn pays Mitchell that.
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he conca and vlas are our future
we must re sign conca , ellis and martin have great chemistry on the ground and r always there for each other
love how these 2 combine in many plays
Vlastuin. Ellis. Conca. Martin :shh
I take it we don't include Cotchin in this because at 23 he is so old.
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Arnot. Vlastuin. Ellis. Conca. Martin. Cotchin. Deledio. :shh
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AUDIO: Richmond has booked a spot in the finals for the first time in twelve years, and RSN Breakfast spoke to Brandon Ellis on Tuesday, one of the Tigers' best in Saturday's shock win over ladder-leaders Hawthorn.
Listen here: http://www.rsn.net.au/audioplayer/1375743114.mp3
* I’ve been pretty happy with my form. I’ve stepped up into the midfield this year, whereas I played back last year. It comes down the coaches. They believe in me, and they’re really confident in what I can give to the team.
* I’m loving my footy at the moment. I just can’t wait for the next four weeks, and hopefully we can play finals.
* I’ve had to work really hard. I’m still learning the game plan to this day. When the coaches tell you to stay on the outside and hold your width, it’s a lot easier to get the ball, especially when the inside mids are winning it.
* We know we’ve got a tough opponent in Brisbane this week. They’ve been up and down, but they’ve shown they can beat the best sides. We believe if we stick to our game plan and listen to the coaches’ instructions on game day, we’re going to be pretty hard to beat.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-08-07/midfield-move-a-winner-for-ellis
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He's been good
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Since that dirty Homo erectus Michael Firrito cleaned him up
Round 20 27
Round 19 25
Round 18 18
Round 17 24
Round 16 18
:shh
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Fast becoming a Tiger favourite.
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quality player a premiership player in the making along with Vlastuin and Conca.
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quality player a premiership player in the making along with Vlastuin and Conca.
I was hoping to get an outside runner 1st round next draft but Francis always goes with the 'good soldiers' and seems to get it right every time.
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Ellis learns the ropes
Richmond's Brandon Ellis was having a big impact on the contest with seven disposals, two goals, 100 per cent efficiency, three inside 50s and best afield honours in the first quarter. Everything appeared to be going his and his team's way, until Blues coach Mick Malthouse swung Dennis Armfield on to him. Ellis' influence quickly dissipated and the Blues managed to work themselves back in to the game. Armfield's tenacity and pressure seemed to get in Ellis' head, as he held him to just six possessions after quarter time. Ellis has had an impressive season, but he will learn a lot from today about what it takes to successfully shake a tag.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-17/talking-points-richmond-v-carlton
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His speed surprised me, thought he was run in the mill but actually has some pace to him
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VIDEO: Ellis in Wonderland ...
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-08-25/ellis-in-wonderland
Another great game today :thumbsup.
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Is he B+ yet? Must be getting very close.
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He and Conca showed us how good they will be as their size and experience increases. Bloody exciting today with his speed and footskills
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Brandon Ellis is a genuine goal kicking midfielder.
Can kick multiple goals as he did today and 30 goals a season and 25 plus possies not out of the question.
Ditto Reece. That is why we need to sign him also.
Fab4 midfield with Dusty, Cotch, Brando, Reece and then you add blokes like Deledio and Vlaustin who in a year or two turn it into a Fab 5 midfield. Plenty of quality and talent.
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Is he B+ yet? Must be getting very close.
Yes as is Conca and Vlastuin. All B+ with the potential to A grade players but all have to make slight improvements to get there. Ellis will need to learn how to beat a tag, Conca needs to lift his disposal efficiency a little bit and Vlastuin just needs more experience.
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ellis wont get tagged if
cotchin
deledio
martin
are fit
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ellis wont get tagged if
cotchin
deledio
martin
are fit
Did last week. Armfield quietened him after quarter time and before you say Cotchin was hurt he was on the ground. Once you cross that white line you are fit.
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You would hope if Ellis is getting a hard tag a
Conca. Vlastuin. Martin. Cotchin. Deledio. Houli. Shane Edwards type should be able to step up and fill the void.
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You would hope if Ellis is getting a hard tag a
Conca. Vlastuin. Martin. Cotchin. Deledio. Houli. Shane Edwards type should be able to step up and fill the void.
One would hope but out of all those you mentioned I thought only Deledio and Vlaustin could hold their heads high and the other bar Titch who didn't play were awful and played their worst games of the year.
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You would hope if Ellis is getting a hard tag a
Conca. Vlastuin. Martin. Cotchin. Deledio. Houli. Shane Edwards type should be able to step up and fill the void.
One would hope but out of all those you mentioned I thought only Deledio and Vlaustin could hold their heads high and the other bar Titch who didn't play were awful and played their worst games of the year.
Martin's worst game of the year?
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You would hope if Ellis is getting a hard tag a
Conca. Vlastuin. Martin. Cotchin. Deledio. Houli. Shane Edwards type should be able to step up and fill the void.
One would hope but out of all those you mentioned I thought only Deledio and Vlaustin could hold their heads high and the other bar Titch who didn't play were awful and played their worst games of the year.
Martin's worst game of the year?
Last week v Carlton I am referring to Ox.
Today another story altogether. :thumbsup
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My mistake, Tiger. :thumbsup
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A-grader. Another fine eyes gem :clapping
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VIDEO: Ellis in Wonderland ...
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-08-25/ellis-in-wonderland
Another great game today :thumbsup.
65-70m low spearing dart. :lol
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try 55 metres
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try 55 metres
Was adding the 10-15m it cleared the line. :shh
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ok
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Going along very nicely is Brandon, hope he keeps it up!!
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All Hail Fine Eyes Jackson :clapping
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Fine eyes with another gem that can't break a tag :clapping
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Fine eyes with another gem that can't break a tag :clapping
Ellis will be alright. It was his first time being tagged.
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You would hope if Ellis is getting a hard tag a
Conca. Vlastuin. Martin. Cotchin. Deledio. Houli. Shane Edwards type should be able to step up and fill the void.
One would hope but out of all those you mentioned I thought only Deledio and Vlaustin could hold their heads high and the other bar Titch who didn't play were awful and played their worst games of the year.
Martin's worst game of the year?
Last week v Carlton I am referring to Ox.
Today another story altogether. :thumbsup
I was referring to the future.
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
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The dude just runs and runs
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Watching him yesterday, he looked so much more developed than GWS players who were taken in the same draft.
Non-stop running, contested marking and dobbing goals from 55 out, another GWS recruiting blunder!
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Watching him yesterday, he looked so much more developed than GWS players who were taken in the same draft.
Non-stop running, contested marking and dobbing goals from 55 out, another GWS recruiting blunder!
Or.....do we finally have a good development model? I hope it's a bit of both.
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Love this guy.
Fantastic second year player! Well done FJ at pick 15!!! :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :bow :bow :cheers :cheers
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Pick 14 = morris + Ellis :shh
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Pick 14 = morris + Ellis :shh
When you put it like that.... :clapping....what a masterstroke.
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
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he is no wimp
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
If Ellis is a whimp Grigg is a pre pubescent schoolgirl
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.
Houli can go back with the flight, but poops him self when head on contact is coming. Oh and I see no problem with Bigtones assessment. I rate him a bit more than him but he does have some valid concerns.
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Watching him yesterday, he looked so much more developed than GWS players who were taken in the same draft.
Non-stop running, contested marking and dobbing goals from 55 out, another GWS recruiting blunder!
Another product of the punt rd academy :clapping
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not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.
and then there's players like deledio who seem to play the game so they're never in a situation where they have to back into packs....... ;D
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short memory
deledio put his body on the line on the weekend many times .
and he won the most courageous a few yrs ago for backing in and taking a mark where he was hit hard
deledio is labelled falsely
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Deledio often risks his safety to put himself in dangerous situations for the good of the team. He is far from soft.
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yep most of us see this
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Hasn't done it for years. Most of us see that
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.
Houli can go back with the flight, but poops him self when head on contact is coming. Oh and I see no problem with Bigtones assessment. I rate him a bit more than him but he does have some valid concerns.
What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.
Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it.
Rubbish. Kep Bradley was the biggest whimp I had ever seen when he was at Essendon. At Fremantle he gets a game (when fit) because of his aggression and versatility. Some young players take longer than others to become completely comfortable with the physicality of football. You'd know this if you were more than a keyboard hard man ;D Ellis will never be as hard as Vlastuin but he will stick his head over the onion.
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Vlastuin is harder than most going around
Floss is abt of a mad man :clapping
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it's like the "can't cope with a tag" line that gets trotted out
there's only about 3 mids in the comp that can :lol
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it's like the "can't cope with a tag" line that gets trotted out
there's only about 3 mids in the comp that can :lol
and even ablett has finally succumbed the past 6 weeks, quietest string of games Ive seen from him since he was a lazy HFF in his early years.
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Holland are not wogs either
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What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.
Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.
So no matter what a second year player does, we let him do it and not look at where he can improve ::). No ones saying delist him but for goodness sake, you can at least just look at his faults and hope he improves which like you said, he has been.
On your second point you pretty much backed up what big tone said! He said his not a back man because of his lack of want for body contact but he is a wingman and earnt his spot there. Your comparison of Hannebery being an inside mid/defender and Jetta being a wingman is spot on because Hannebery likes the hard stuff just like Vlas and Jetta doesn't just like Ellis. Doesn't mean either of them are a concern, but you can have concerns about them.
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Ellis is tough, don't worry about that.
He plays his role very well.
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What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.
Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.
So no matter what a second year player does, we let him do it and not look at where he can improve ::). No ones saying delist him but for goodness sake, you can at least just look at his faults and hope he improves which like you said, he has been.
On your second point you pretty much backed up what big tone said! He said his not a back man because of his lack of want for body contact but he is a wingman and earnt his spot there. Your comparison of Hannebery being an inside mid/defender and Jetta being a wingman is spot on because Hannebery likes the hard stuff just like Vlas and Jetta doesn't just like Ellis. Doesn't mean either of them are a concern, but you can have concerns about them.
Your 1st paragraph makes no sense, I didnt intimate your first sentence at all and did exactly what you are calling me out for in your 2nd sentence :huh If we all agree he is improving then why the real concern? If he is showing that he is not improving his faults then THAT is cause for concern in my book, not when he's clearly trending upwards. Pretty straight fwd I wouldve thought ::)
My second point is not backing up what bt said. BT is saying his softness is a worry and compared him to Vlas as a criticism. I compared hanners to jetta to highlight that you dont have to be a hard nut to be a good or quality player. Everyone has different roles. And what exactly is wrong with playing a young player in the backline early in his career even if he is not suited to it? Pretty common practice to help make a player more rounded so there's no need to highlight that as a major concern. Coaching staff made the call and in hindsight it was the right call as he's clearly benefited and become a strong 2 way runner.
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I see it as a concern until he fixes it.
Did you miss the part where he said his a wingman and deserves it? Most wingman are soft so nothing to worry about ;D
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GWS had 11 picks in the same draft pool before we selected Ellis. I'm not sure how many of them played last game, but overall i didn't think Ellis looked significantly soft in comparison
The only players in between were wingard (port/6) and the emotional one longer, dockery (both lions, 8 and 12 respectively).
Arnot was a third rounder, should help make up for apparent Ellis softness...
Btw Ellis was injured vs north via not squibbing it. A few times when he came on a a sub he did some kamazazi things where he could have died/killed someone earlier in season.
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Holland are not wogs either
they're Swamp Germans
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Holland are not wogs either
they're Swamp Germans
:clapping
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.
Houli can go back with the flight, but poops him self when head on contact is coming. Oh and I see no problem with Bigtones assessment. I rate him a bit more than him but he does have some valid concerns.
What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.
Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.
Hey Tone, I didn't know my opinion meant so much to ya!
The other night when you asked if my opinion about Ellis had changed, I thought it was a serious question but in reading how angry you are it seems you were just being a d1ckhead. Maybe trying to be a funny man in front of all your Richmond Rant buddies.
I guess I just gave you way to much credit to be able to read what I posted. I never mentioned him being scared to go with the flight of the footy, it was more about him being scared to make a mistake with his kicking and decision making. Which in tern makes him kick sideways and backwards a lot. Read it again. It has nothing to do with inside mids or outside mids, or even how old you are.
At least you didnt compare him to Keppler Braddley. :wallywink
Just one more thing, even if I think he is scared at times, I don't come on here every week and say how poo he is like some other posters do about other players.
Just my opinion on him, you are in titled to yours..
Be happy fella, we are in the finals. :thumbsup
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it.
Rubbish. Kep Bradley was the biggest whimp I had ever seen when he was at Essendon. At Fremantle he gets a game (when fit) because of his aggression and versatility. Some young players take longer than others to become completely comfortable with the physicality of football. You'd know this if you were more than a keyboard hard man ;D Ellis will never be as hard as Vlastuin but he will stick his head over the onion.
Stick to fishing or being 'the funny man' because when you actually talk about footy, you sound stupid. Kep Bradley :clapping :clapping
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it.
Rubbish. Kep Bradley was the biggest whimp I had ever seen when he was at Essendon. At Fremantle he gets a game (when fit) because of his aggression and versatility. Some young players take longer than others to become completely comfortable with the physicality of football. You'd know this if you were more than a keyboard hard man ;D Ellis will never be as hard as Vlastuin but he will stick his head over the onion.
Stick to fishing or being 'the funny man' because when you actually talk about footy, you sound stupid. Kep Bradley :clapping :clapping
I thought Bradley was a good example of a player who was poo scared as a young bloke but as he matured became very solid at the contest. Your comments on Ellis smell of an internet wannabe who has probably never crossed the white line himself. You stick to pretending you have inside information and I will stick to being a genius. Throwing out insults and making things up doesn't win an argument, guy. Don't make me bring up your Rance claims :lol
Regards,
Davey
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.
Houli can go back with the flight, but poops him self when head on contact is coming. Oh and I see no problem with Bigtones assessment. I rate him a bit more than him but he does have some valid concerns.
What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.
Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.
Hey Tone, I didn't know my opinion meant so much to ya!
The other night when you asked if my opinion about Ellis had changed, I thought it was a serious question but in reading how angry you are it seems you were just being a d1ckhead. Maybe trying to be a funny man in front of all your Richmond Rant buddies.
I guess I just gave you way to much credit to be able to read what I posted. I never mentioned him being scared to go with the flight of the footy, it was more about him being scared to make a mistake with his kicking and decision making. Which in tern makes him kick sideways and backwards a lot. Read it again. It has nothing to do with inside mids or outside mids, or even how old you are.
At least you didnt compare him to Keppler Braddley. :wallywink
Just one more thing, even if I think he is scared at times, I don't come on here every week and say how poo he is like some other posters do about other players.
Just my opinion on him, you are in titled to yours..
Be happy fella, we are in the finals. :thumbsup
Hey bt if you notice I was replying to yeahright, what makes you think I got so angry at you? Don't care too much what u think, if you see my response to you I wasn't really interested in going further with it.. I know your stance and while I don't agree, like you said we are all entitled to an opinion. Frustration came when yeahright pricked a nerve ;D but stiff poo, we're playing finals that's all that matters :cheers
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it.
Rubbish. Kep Bradley was the biggest whimp I had ever seen when he was at Essendon. At Fremantle he gets a game (when fit) because of his aggression and versatility. Some young players take longer than others to become completely comfortable with the physicality of football. You'd know this if you were more than a keyboard hard man ;D Ellis will never be as hard as Vlastuin but he will stick his head over the onion.
Stick to fishing or being 'the funny man' because when you actually talk about footy, you sound stupid. Kep Bradley :clapping :clapping
I thought Bradley was a good example of a player who was poo scared as a young bloke but as he matured became very solid at the contest. Your comments on Ellis smell of an internet wannabe who has probably never crossed the white line himself. You stick to pretending you have inside information and I will stick to being a genius. Throwing out insults and making things up doesn't win an argument, guy. Don't make me bring up your Rance claims :lol
Regards,
Davey
FO flog!
The truth be known in the real world I wouldnt give you the time of day. I like talking and hearing about the Tigers, that is why I come on here. There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you. You add very little. :sleep You try and be funny but you aren't. :help To be honest you sound like a sad little old man looking for attention. :help I bet you are one of those fellas that most people tolerate but not really like. :banghead
I couldn't give a crap how many games of footy you played or for whom you played for because I don't care. :o But for he record, I played a lot of senior footy. My last club being Balwyn. :gotigers
On the Alex Rance thing, me rating him and you not makes you look like the knob here.
Now Davey we can swap insults all day long but it only gets me angry, :huh i posted my opinion on a player after being asked for it, that is all, if you don't agree with my posts that's fine but don't be a hero and insult me from behind your keyboard it only makes you look pathetic. :thumbsup
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.
Houli can go back with the flight, but poops him self when head on contact is coming. Oh and I see no problem with Bigtones assessment. I rate him a bit more than him but he does have some valid concerns.
What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.
Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.
Hey Tone, I didn't know my opinion meant so much to ya!
The other night when you asked if my opinion about Ellis had changed, I thought it was a serious question but in reading how angry you are it seems you were just being a d1ckhead. Maybe trying to be a funny man in front of all your Richmond Rant buddies.
I guess I just gave you way to much credit to be able to read what I posted. I never mentioned him being scared to go with the flight of the footy, it was more about him being scared to make a mistake with his kicking and decision making. Which in tern makes him kick sideways and backwards a lot. Read it again. It has nothing to do with inside mids or outside mids, or even how old you are.
At least you didnt compare him to Keppler Braddley. :wallywink
Just one more thing, even if I think he is scared at times, I don't come on here every week and say how poo he is like some other posters do about other players.
Just my opinion on him, you are in titled to yours..
Be happy fella, we are in the finals. :thumbsup
Hey bt if you notice I was replying to yeahright, what makes you think I got so angry at you? Don't care too much what u think, if you see my response to you I wasn't really interested in going further with it.. I know your stance and while I don't agree, like you said we are all entitled to an opinion. Frustration came when yeahright pricked a nerve ;D but stiff poo, we're playing finals that's all that matters :cheers
"Pure unadulterated garage by Big Tone"
Maybe that might be the reason??
And if you don't care what I think then why ask me for my opinion in the first place?
To be honest I don't really care what you think either, it just really annoys me when people like you spoil this site trying to be a hero because someone "pricks a nerve". Yeahright said nothing more than he agreed with me.
Pull your head in! :cheers
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I thought Bradley was a good example of a player who was poo scared as a young bloke but as he matured became very solid at the contest. Your comments on Ellis smell of an internet wannabe who has probably never crossed the white line himself. You stick to pretending you have inside information and I will stick to being a genius. Throwing out insults and making things up doesn't win an argument, guy. Don't make me bring up your Rance claims :lol
Regards,
Davey
And how many games did you play again. Hmmm 2 I think, and for a pox club at that.
:lol
and yes it is two more than I have played but really WGAF :cheers
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Frustration came when yeahright pricked a nerve ;D but stiff poo, we're playing finals that's all that matters :cheers
Sorry, was not intended :thumbsup
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.
Houli can go back with the flight, but poops him self when head on contact is coming. Oh and I see no problem with Bigtones assessment. I rate him a bit more than him but he does have some valid concerns.
What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.
Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.
Hey Tone, I didn't know my opinion meant so much to ya!
The other night when you asked if my opinion about Ellis had changed, I thought it was a serious question but in reading how angry you are it seems you were just being a d1ckhead. Maybe trying to be a funny man in front of all your Richmond Rant buddies.
I guess I just gave you way to much credit to be able to read what I posted. I never mentioned him being scared to go with the flight of the footy, it was more about him being scared to make a mistake with his kicking and decision making. Which in tern makes him kick sideways and backwards a lot. Read it again. It has nothing to do with inside mids or outside mids, or even how old you are.
At least you didnt compare him to Keppler Braddley. :wallywink
Just one more thing, even if I think he is scared at times, I don't come on here every week and say how poo he is like some other posters do about other players.
Just my opinion on him, you are in titled to yours..
Be happy fella, we are in the finals. :thumbsup
Hey bt if you notice I was replying to yeahright, what makes you think I got so angry at you? Don't care too much what u think, if you see my response to you I wasn't really interested in going further with it.. I know your stance and while I don't agree, like you said we are all entitled to an opinion. Frustration came when yeahright pricked a nerve ;D but stiff poo, we're playing finals that's all that matters :cheers
"Pure unadulterated garage by Big Tone"
Maybe that might be the reason??
And if you don't care what I think then why ask me for my opinion in the first place?
To be honest I don't really care what you think either, it just really annoys me when people like you spoil this site trying to be a hero because someone "pricks a nerve". Yeahright said nothing more than he agreed with me.
Pull your head in! :cheers
I asked you the question bc I honestly wanted to see what you thought, being an Ellis basher from way back... got the answer, didn't agree with it and left it bc Its not worth arguing with your type.
With yeahright, I felt he misinterpreted my 2nd post hence the frustration when I replied to it. But that's all good, there's no hard feelings on my behalf and his I don't think, I said my bit, he said his we move on. Sorry to spoil your day princess :wub
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Frustration came when yeahright pricked a nerve ;D but stiff poo, we're playing finals that's all that matters :cheers
Sorry, was not intended :thumbsup
:thumbsup
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it.
Rubbish. Kep Bradley was the biggest whimp I had ever seen when he was at Essendon. At Fremantle he gets a game (when fit) because of his aggression and versatility. Some young players take longer than others to become completely comfortable with the physicality of football. You'd know this if you were more than a keyboard hard man ;D Ellis will never be as hard as Vlastuin but he will stick his head over the onion.
Stick to fishing or being 'the funny man' because when you actually talk about footy, you sound stupid. Kep Bradley :clapping :clapping
I thought Bradley was a good example of a player who was poo scared as a young bloke but as he matured became very solid at the contest. Your comments on Ellis smell of an internet wannabe who has probably never crossed the white line himself. You stick to pretending you have inside information and I will stick to being a genius. Throwing out insults and making things up doesn't win an argument, guy. Don't make me bring up your Rance claims :lol
Regards,
Davey
FO flog!
The truth be known in the real world I wouldnt give you the time of day. I like talking and hearing about the Tigers, that is why I come on here. There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you. You add very little. :sleep You try and be funny but you aren't. :help To be honest you sound like a sad little old man looking for attention. :help I bet you are one of those fellas that most people tolerate but not really like. :banghead
I couldn't give a crap how many games of footy you played or for whom you played for because I don't care. :o But for he record, I played a lot of senior footy. My last club being Balwyn. :gotigers
On the Alex Rance thing, me rating him and you not makes you look like the knob here.
Now Davey we can swap insults all day long but it only gets me angry, :huh i posted my opinion on a player after being asked for it, that is all, if you don't agree with my posts that's fine but don't be a hero and insult me from behind your keyboard it only makes you look pathetic. :thumbsup
Wow the hostility.
Now Davey we can swap insults all day long but it only gets me angry
What insults have I dished out to you? Said you sounded like an internet wannabe? Haha. Getting angry over this says a little something about you I would think.
don't be a hero and insult me from behind your keyboard it only makes you look pathetic. :thumbsup
Hmmm. Considering your last few posts have been mostly handing out abuse perhaps you should have a look in the mirror. I would as well but I think I've been quite reasonable here.
On the Alex Rance thing, me rating him and you not makes you look like the knob here.
Here you go again, making things up to suit you. The discussion re Rance was about my (yes my) belief that he had struggled to play on bigger forwards ala Trav Cloke, Drew Petrie. The coaching staff have even said they recruited Chaplin to play on those types :lol To Rancey's credit I reckon he has done a fantastic job this year on some of the monster forwards.
There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you.
Awww geee I can't make sense of that. Correct his spelling, 65.
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I thought Bradley was a good example of a player who was poo scared as a young bloke but as he matured became very solid at the contest. Your comments on Ellis smell of an internet wannabe who has probably never crossed the white line himself. You stick to pretending you have inside information and I will stick to being a genius. Throwing out insults and making things up doesn't win an argument, guy. Don't make me bring up your Rance claims :lol
Regards,
Davey
And how many games did you play again. Hmmm 2 I think, and for a pox club at that.
:lol
and yes it is two more than I have played but really WGAF :cheers
Played for more than one pox club. You'll need to be specific
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There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you.
Awww geee I can't make sense of that. Correct his spelling, 65.
No spelling errors, just a few grammatical ones.
:lol
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I thought Bradley was a good example of a player who was poo scared as a young bloke but as he matured became very solid at the contest. Your comments on Ellis smell of an internet wannabe who has probably never crossed the white line himself. You stick to pretending you have inside information and I will stick to being a genius. Throwing out insults and making things up doesn't win an argument, guy. Don't make me bring up your Rance claims :lol
Regards,
Davey
And how many AFL games did you play again. Hmmm 2 I think, and for a pox club at that.
:lol
and yes it is two more than I have played but really WGAF :cheers
Played for more than one pox club. You'll need to be specific
sorry (corrected above)
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There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you.
Awww geee I can't make sense of that. Correct his spelling, 65.
No spelling errors, just a few grammatical ones.
:lol
What about "theirs"?
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There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you.
Awww geee I can't make sense of that. Correct his spelling, 65.
No spelling errors, just a few grammatical ones.
:lol
What about "theirs"?
Not a spelling error.
A word that is not in common usage but a word all the same.
:cheers
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My Spell Chequer
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.
:cheers
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There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you.
Awww geee I can't make sense of that. Correct his spelling, 65.
No spelling errors, just a few grammatical ones.
:lol
What about "theirs"?
Not a spelling error.
A word that is not in common usage but a word all the same.
:cheers
Shouldn't it be " there's"
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There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you.
Awww geee I can't make sense of that. Correct his spelling, 65.
No spelling errors, just a few grammatical ones.
:lol
What about "theirs"?
personally I think there should be an apostrophe between the r and the s.
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Agree about the apostrophe, but I think in context of the sentence it should be there's, as in " then there is yours".
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All changes in grammar not spelling corrections.
:cheers
The original sentence was...
"There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you."
should be...
"There are some posters that I enjoy reading and then there's you."
but what he meant to say was...
"Go and get stuffed"
:lol
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All changes in grammar not spelling corrections.
:cheers
The original sentence was...
"There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you."
should be...
"There are some posters that I enjoy reading and then there's you."
but what he meant to say was...
"Go and get stuffed"
:lol
Its good to see the education of our children in the hands of teachers who can so elequently explain things in a simple and forthright manner ;D
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Thanks for clearing that up '65
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My Spell Chequer
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.
:cheers
Looks and sounds like something K07 would orate.
;D
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My Spell Chequer
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.
:cheers
Looks and sounds like something K07 would orate.
;D
The word "orate" implies a pompous or formal tone.
Not something I think that Kevin "fair shake of the sauce bottle" Rudd could do methinks.
:lol
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Really disappointed in you, Ramps.
65, got a mate who sends that out every year to his year 8s.
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65, got a mate who sends that out every year to his year 8s.
No new ideas in this world.
:lol
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On a completely seperate and irrelevant point, this kid sure has had a fantastic year after a strong pre season.
He has really set a standard for how we should expect year on year improvement from our younger brigade.
Their will be increased expectation from next year from the next batch :thumbsup ;)
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Going well for a kid that came out of a jar :cheers
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65, got a mate who sends that out every year to his year 8s.
No new ideas in this world.
:lol
How do you see the current political situation here 65 and what role do you see Brandon Ellis playing in it? :lol
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Their will be increased expectation from next year from the next batch :thumbsup ;)
Have you done that on purpose? FFS
:banghead
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65, got a mate who sends that out every year to his year 8s.
No new ideas in this world.
:lol
How do you see the current political situation here 65 and what role do you see Brandon Ellis playing in it? :lol
Brandon's old enough to vote but if he is a typical Gen y type he won't give a stuff about politics.
:cheers
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65, got a mate who sends that out every year to his year 8s.
No new ideas in this world.
:lol
How do you see the current political situation here 65 and what role do you see Brandon Ellis playing in it? :lol
Brandon's old enough to vote but if he is a typical Gen y type he won't give a stuff about politics.
:cheers
hes a smart lad then. all pollies are wankers ;D
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Bigfooty's phantom drafts summaries of Ellis:
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#18 North Melbourne – Brandon Ellis (VIC – Def)
Height: 181cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 03/08/1993
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Style: Heath Shaw
Range: 10-35
Profile: Good user of the ball. Has a bit of a weapon of a kick down back. Provides great rebound from defence. Wins the hard ball and really attacks it. Good reader of the play. Tackles hard. Shrugs tackles with ease. Has a stocky type build but interestingly tested very well in the sprints. Has been a big performer both throughout the year for Calder Cannons as throughout the U18 champs so should be a fairly immediate player based on production this year and body type + size. Interestingly had a very good draft combine and tested incredibly well in all categories.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843582
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#16 Fremantle - Brandon Ellis (181cm defender - Calder)
Tough, nuggety looking player who I'm assured will test very well athletically at the combine. He is a versatile player, and really you could play him in whatever position you wanted. Played mostly off half back, will no doubt be a part of midfield rotations too. I can see him developing into a handy small/medium defender in the mean time. AFL Comparison: Heath Shaw.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=883264
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# 16 Fremantle – Brandon Ellis (Calder Cannons / 181 / 83 / 93)
Ellis is one of my favourites and followed closely all year. Love watching this kid because I think he just oozes class and will step up into an AFL environment and make a really seamless transition. He just looks like a footballer and I suspect recruiters love his poise, strength on his feet, safe hands, kicking and decision making. He just doesn’t seem to make mistakes. Could well go into the middle as well in later years as he tested really well in sprint (albeit I never seem to think he looks quick), agility and endurance. In fact his endurance suggests he could play midfield so that may have him rising into mid first round. Lovely pick because he is that Chris Newman type who sits behind the footy and just controls the back half.
AFL Comparison – Chris Newman
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=885853
:shh
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Their will be increased expectation from next year from the next batch :thumbsup ;)
Have you done that on purpose? FFS
:banghead
Is that a double bluff? :banghead :banghead
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65, got a mate who sends that out every year to his year 8s.
No new ideas in this world.
:lol
How do you see the current political situation here 65 and what role do you see Brandon Ellis playing in it? :lol
Brandon's old enough to vote but if he is a typical Gen y type he won't give a stuff about politics.
:cheers
hes a smart lad then. all pollies are wankers ;D
Or he'll vote for the Greens ;D
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65, got a mate who sends that out every year to his year 8s.
No new ideas in this world.
:lol
How do you see the current political situation here 65 and what role do you see Brandon Ellis playing in it? :lol
Brandon's old enough to vote but if he is a typical Gen y type he won't give a stuff about politics.
:cheers
hes a smart lad then. all pollies are wankers ;D
Or he'll vote for the Greens ;D
In which case he will be a dill of the highest order. :help
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?
not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.
Houli can go back with the flight, but poops him self when head on contact is coming. Oh and I see no problem with Bigtones assessment. I rate him a bit more than him but he does have some valid concerns.
What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.
Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.
Hey Tone, I didn't know my opinion meant so much to ya!
The other night when you asked if my opinion about Ellis had changed, I thought it was a serious question but in reading how angry you are it seems you were just being a d1ckhead. Maybe trying to be a funny man in front of all your Richmond Rant buddies.
I guess I just gave you way to much credit to be able to read what I posted. I never mentioned him being scared to go with the flight of the footy, it was more about him being scared to make a mistake with his kicking and decision making. Which in tern makes him kick sideways and backwards a lot. Read it again. It has nothing to do with inside mids or outside mids, or even how old you are.
At least you didnt compare him to Keppler Braddley. :wallywink
Just one more thing, even if I think he is scared at times, I don't come on here every week and say how poo he is like some other posters do about other players.
Just my opinion on him, you are in titled to yours..
Be happy fella, we are in the finals. :thumbsup
Hey bt if you notice I was replying to yeahright, what makes you think I got so angry at you? Don't care too much what u think, if you see my response to you I wasn't really interested in going further with it.. I know your stance and while I don't agree, like you said we are all entitled to an opinion. Frustration came when yeahright pricked a nerve ;D but stiff poo, we're playing finals that's all that matters :cheers
"Pure unadulterated garage by Big Tone"
Maybe that might be the reason??
And if you don't care what I think then why ask me for my opinion in the first place?
To be honest I don't really care what you think either, it just really annoys me when people like you spoil this site trying to be a hero because someone "pricks a nerve". Yeahright said nothing more than he agreed with me.
Pull your head in! :cheers
I asked you the question bc I honestly wanted to see what you thought, being an Ellis basher from way back... got the answer, didn't agree with it and left it bc Its not worth arguing with your type.
With yeahright, I felt he misinterpreted my 2nd post hence the frustration when I replied to it. But that's all good, there's no hard feelings on my behalf and his I don't think, I said my bit, he said his we move on. Sorry to spoil your day princess :wub
All good mate. :gotigers
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Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with
only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it.
Rubbish. Kep Bradley was the biggest whimp I had ever seen when he was at Essendon. At Fremantle he gets a game (when fit) because of his aggression and versatility. Some young players take longer than others to become completely comfortable with the physicality of football. You'd know this if you were more than a keyboard hard man ;D Ellis will never be as hard as Vlastuin but he will stick his head over the onion.
Stick to fishing or being 'the funny man' because when you actually talk about footy, you sound stupid. Kep Bradley :clapping :clapping
I thought Bradley was a good example of a player who was poo scared as a young bloke but as he matured became very solid at the contest. Your comments on Ellis smell of an internet wannabe who has probably never crossed the white line himself. You stick to pretending you have inside information and I will stick to being a genius. Throwing out insults and making things up doesn't win an argument, guy. Don't make me bring up your Rance claims :lol
Regards,
Davey
FO flog!
The truth be known in the real world I wouldnt give you the time of day. I like talking and hearing about the Tigers, that is why I come on here. There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you. You add very little. :sleep You try and be funny but you aren't. :help To be honest you sound like a sad little old man looking for attention. :help I bet you are one of those fellas that most people tolerate but not really like. :banghead
I couldn't give a crap how many games of footy you played or for whom you played for because I don't care. :o But for he record, I played a lot of senior footy. My last club being Balwyn. :gotigers
On the Alex Rance thing, me rating him and you not makes you look like the knob here.
Now Davey we can swap insults all day long but it only gets me angry, :huh i posted my opinion on a player after being asked for it, that is all, if you don't agree with my posts that's fine but don't be a hero and insult me from behind your keyboard it only makes you look pathetic. :thumbsup
Wow the hostility.
Now Davey we can swap insults all day long but it only gets me angry
What insults have I dished out to you? Said you sounded like an internet wannabe? Haha. Getting angry over this says a little something about you I would think.
don't be a hero and insult me from behind your keyboard it only makes you look pathetic. :thumbsup
Hmmm. Considering your last few posts have been mostly handing out abuse perhaps you should have a look in the mirror. I would as well but I think I've been quite reasonable here.
On the Alex Rance thing, me rating him and you not makes you look like the knob here.
Here you go again, making things up to suit you. The discussion re Rance was about my (yes my) belief that he had struggled to play on bigger forwards ala Trav Cloke, Drew Petrie. The coaching staff have even said they recruited Chaplin to play on those types :lol To Rancey's credit I reckon he has done a fantastic job this year on some of the monster forwards.
There is some posters I enjoy hearing their opinions and then theirs you.
Awww geee I can't make sense of that. Correct his spelling, 65.
:thumbsup :gotigers
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Another 35 possies and 16 marks for Brandon tonight. He's become a ball magnet this year.
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Brandon Grigg, salute
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What a ripper. Should pinch a fistful of brownlow votes IMO and some Dyer's too
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Sensational game tonight. Better than his Melbourne game.
Was everywhere and did everything. Used the ball clinically. :thumbsup
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Went back into oncoming players a couple of times to, soft?, nope
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Finally we are picking them and developing them!
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sweeet, isn't it? :gotigers
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Dimma talking about Ellis in 2014:
“The scary thing about him is he’s 19 years of age, so he’s going to get a hell of a lot better quickly.
“He’s averaged around 20 touches, uses the ball really well, and he’s also a goalkicker.
“So, he’s a player we’ll look to push a little bit more midfield next and probably a bit half-forward as well, because we feel he can actually hit the scoreboard for us."
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-15/ellis-high-on-hardwicks-agenda
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Gun - would love to see him play one-on-one more in defence. His marking for his size is -dare I say it - Royce Hart-like. Could halt a lot of those chains of easy possession Hardwick's precious "zone" defence allows down the boundary. Would also like to see Rance and Vickery patrolling the wings more often for the same reason.
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Given the wrap Dimma gave him and rightly so was surprised he never polled top 10 in the B&F. Rated his season much higher than some in the top 10 despite being sub and also getting KO'd by Firrito in the first quarter in the Nought game.
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VIDEO: Ellis' season review ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-10-17/ellis-season-review
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Man I love this kid! Soon to be an absolute gun and has a good head on his shoulders! :gotigers
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Really has developed well and has rectified his only problem which was his disposal.
Well done Ellis, look forward to seeing him in 2014, if he can improve/maintain his level of skill...look out, really could be one of our top line players!!!
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Ellis eyes the next step
richmondfc.com.au
October 17, 2013 12:55 PM
“One thing I really want to learn how to do, is break that tag, or if someone is running with me pretty tightly, find out other ways to get around it,” Ellis told ‘Roar Vision’.
“The pre-season is going to be massive for me, and I can’t wait.
“I want to work really closely with ‘Cotch’ (Trent Cotchin) and ‘Lids’ (Brett Deledio) – those sort of guys who get tagged – and ‘Jacko’, who’s been a tagger, so I can find out things off him that he hates when he’s tagging.”
Ellis also plans to work on his aerobic capacity over the pre-season, in a bid to further boost his already-impressive running ability.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-17/ellis-eyes-the-next-step
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Ellis eyes the next step
richmondfc.com.au
October 17, 2013 12:55 PM
“One thing I really want to learn how to do, is break that tag, or if someone is running with me pretty tightly, find out other ways to get around it,” Ellis told ‘Roar Vision’.
“The pre-season is going to be massive for me, and I can’t wait.
“I want to work really closely with ‘Cotch’ (Trent Cotchin) and ‘Lids’ (Brett Deledio) – those sort of guys who get tagged – and ‘Jacko’, who’s been a tagger, so I can find out things off him that he hates when he’s tagging.”
Ellis also plans to work on his aerobic capacity over the pre-season, in a bid to further boost his already-impressive running ability.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-17/ellis-eyes-the-next-step
Ummmm skip the Lids tips and instead watch what Cotch does
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Ellis eyes the next step
richmondfc.com.au
October 17, 2013 12:55 PM
“One thing I really want to learn how to do, is break that tag, or if someone is running with me pretty tightly, find out other ways to get around it,” Ellis told ‘Roar Vision’.
“The pre-season is going to be massive for me, and I can’t wait.
“I want to work really closely with ‘Cotch’ (Trent Cotchin) and ‘Lids’ (Brett Deledio) – those sort of guys who get tagged – and ‘Jacko’, who’s been a tagger, so I can find out things off him that he hates when he’s tagging.”
Ellis also plans to work on his aerobic capacity over the pre-season, in a bid to further boost his already-impressive running ability.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-17/ellis-eyes-the-next-step
Ummmm skip the Lids tips and instead watch what Cotch does
Goota know what to do ... and what not to do do ... ;D
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AFL Photos twitter:
"Relax @Richmond_FC fans, @brandonjellis doesn't have an arm injury, just some new ink"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYwNDxJCQAM5te7.jpg:large)
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Did he draw that himself?
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Eight weeks off and you get a new tatt a few days before you're to start pre-season training :-\ :huh3
::)
:booboo
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hearing bad rumors :(
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Delist....
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hearing bad rumors :(
About his tattoo?
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Nup
Unsubstantiated hence I don't want to elaborate
Unlike my Richmond want Salem rumors which are as tight as a tortoise twit
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hearing bad rumors :(
stop watching The Circle bitch
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you reckon the circle discuss brandon ellis?
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you reckon the circle discuss brandon ellis?
no i reckon any bloke that sits around gossiping about brandon ellis watches the circle and is a bitch
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Could be worse
A bitch with a pic of a bitch, tivendale
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Could be worse
no not really "judge roughneck" lmao
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Get a pic of krakerour or hyde
Or an accurate oic. Ie. One of rivers running thou the middle of the g falling over himself
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no i reckon any bloke that sits around gossiping about brandon ellis watches the circle and is a bitch
:lol
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AFL Photos twitter:
"Relax @Richmond_FC fans, @brandonjellis doesn't have an arm injury, just some new ink"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYwNDxJCQAM5te7.jpg:large)
Does anyone else think that tattoo is horrible?
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:facepalm
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:facepalm
x 2
:facepalm :facepalm
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AFL Photos twitter:
"Relax @Richmond_FC fans, @brandonjellis doesn't have an arm injury, just some new ink"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYwNDxJCQAM5te7.jpg:large)
Does anyone else think that tattoo is horrible?
Tigers and girls. What's not to love? ;D
Seriously never seen a good one personally but each to their own.
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Ellis a wonder in Tigerland
Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
December 31
It’s not hard to realise why Brandon Ellis is so highly regarded at Tigerland.
The talented 20-year-old averaged a highly-respectable 18.6 disposals and 5.9 marks per game, along with 14 goals, in just his second season of league football in 2013.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-12-31/ellis-a-wonder-in-tigerland
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WHO'S READY TO FLY AT YOUR CLUB?
Herald-Sun
8 Jan 2013
ACROSS the past three weeks Herald Sun footy experts have delved inside each club to nominate which youngsters (or, in the Dees' case, veteran) are ready to leap forward and take the AFL by storm. Here's the collaboration of players to keep an eye on in 2014:
RICHMOND: Brandon Ellis - the blue-chip early pick for the Tiges is finally ready for his transition to permanent midfielder
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/superfooty-gives-an-insight-into-what-the-2014-afl-season-could-hold/story-fnelctok-1226796574522
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Ellis eyes inside role
richmondfc.com.au
January 30, 2014
Richmond young gun Brandon Ellis has set his sights on further boosting his on-field versatility in 2014.
The talented 20-year-old, who produced some eye-catching performances as a hard-running, outside midfielder, in just his second season of AFL football in 2013, is looking to take on more of an inside role in the Tigers’ midfield.
“They know I can go back, and I can go forward, but I want to improve my inside game,” Ellis said.
“I’ve been spending a lot of time with ‘Cotchy’ (Trent Cotchin) and those inside ‘mids’.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-01-30/ellis-eyes-inside-role
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VIDEO: Ellis interview ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-03-09/ellis-speaks-to-roar-vision
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VIDEO: Ellis interview ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-03-09/ellis-speaks-to-roar-vision
Ellis's year boys, Ellis's year......,
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Only preseason but he hasn't really shown much, let's hope it changes in the season proper, no doubt it will?
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Only preseason but he hasn't really shown much, let's hope it changes in the season proper, no doubt it will?
WAT, I thought he was just starting to show a bit last Friday against Essendon. It's as almost he was getting the machine oiled up!
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Only preseason but he hasn't really shown much, let's hope it changes in the season proper, no doubt it will?
WAT, I thought he was just starting to show a bit last Friday against Essendon. It's as almost he was getting the machine oiled up!
Yeah your probably right, just needs to maintain his skill level.
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Brandon was just about my most disappointing player against the Suns and has been all pre season. Really needs a blast.
Rightly Hardwick gave him a whack.
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1 bad game, take it easy
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1 bad game, take it easy
I reckon his entire pre-season was poor and he carried that into round 1
We had been told about how great his pre-season was, how he'd taken it to a new level of professionalism, what an elite runner he is etc....
Certainly didn't it see it in the NAB challenge or round 1.
Most disappointing thing from view was his lack of "gut running" last week
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Might have put on too much weight in one year.
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Only preseason but he hasn't really shown much, let's hope it changes in the season proper, no doubt it will?
WAT called it early, looks like we got another Edwards on our hands
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The bloke was putrid round 1 last year and I think got dropped but came back and killed it. Might just be a slow starter.
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Yeah Ellis started last year poorly and was sub a few times before he turned it around.
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Only preseason but he hasn't really shown much, let's hope it changes in the season proper, no doubt it will?
WAT called it early, looks like we got another Edwards on our hands
Except Ellis is clearly a class above Edwards....several classes above infact....
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Only preseason but he hasn't really shown much, let's hope it changes in the season proper, no doubt it will?
WAT called it early, looks like we got another Edwards on our hands
Except Ellis is clearly a class above Edwards....several classes above infact....
Not in the worm burning shankster stakes
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Only preseason but he hasn't really shown much, let's hope it changes in the season proper, no doubt it will?
WAT called it early, looks like we got another Edwards on our hands
Except Ellis is clearly a class above Edwards....several classes above infact....
Not in the worm burning shankster stakes
Yes a few crap kicks in a handful of games by a 3rd year player v. an 8-year career of constantly doing it puts them on par in that department...
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Ellis spurred by coach's public criticism
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
March 28, 2014
BRANDON Ellis says the worst part of being publicly criticised for his round one performance by coach Damien Hardwick was having to wait nearly two weeks to make amends.
Ellis and Reece Conca were singled out by Hardwick after the Tigers' round one loss to Gold Coast as second-tier midfielders who "didn't stand up".
In Thursday night's 12-point win over Carlton, Ellis was tasked with running with elite Blues' midfielder Bryce Gibbs while Conca was on captain Marc Murphy.
After keeping Gibbs to 12 possessions, Ellis said he felt he had earned back some respect, highlighted when Hardwick walked past him in the rooms post-match and gave him a proud thump on the back.
"It's probably the longest 13 days I've had to wait to try and rectify what happened," Ellis told AFL.com.au after the Tigers' victory.
"You have your down weeks but I just didn't want to have another down week.
"I just wanted to get up and play my role for the team and help us get over the line.
"I had the job on Gibbs to run with him wherever he went, and I thought I did an OK job on him."
Ellis said he understood why he was criticised by Hardwick and knew he had to grow with the team.
"Dimma's just a tough bloke and it was the truth and he just wanted us to step up and for us to go places this year and the following years," he said.
"For that, me and Reece need to step up and improve our game."
Hardwick joked after the Carlton game that he was set to name 18 players in a bid to get the same response he received from Ellis and Conca next Saturday when the Tigers meet the Western Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium.
But he praised the young pair for playing the way they did off the back of the Suns' game.
"They were great. Brandon Ellis tagged one of the game's elite in Bryce Gibbs and keeping him to 12 touches was enormous for us," Hardwick said.
"We really put him to task and he delivered in spades. He kicked two crucial goals and he's going to be a very good player and to see he's got that in his game is outstanding.
"Reece was brave. He played on Murphy for the majority of the night and cramped severely in the last quarter and I'm not too sure how much game time he played in the last but I thought he was outstanding early too."
Ellis, who trained with the midfielders this pre-season, kicked two impressive goals against the Blues, one from the corner of the 50-metre arc and the boundary line.
He said he wouldn't mind adding more goals to his game after kicking just 14 last season.
"The first one I probably just pulled out of my backside. It was a bit of a fluke, but the second one when 'Newy' handballed it back to me, I just thought, stuff it, I'm going to have a shot," he said.
"Luckily it went in and the boys blocked it on the line for me so it was good."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-28/criticism-burned-for-13-days
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Good response!
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Gun, talk of him being lucky not to be dropped after rnd 1 was diabolical.
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Passenger atm.
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Currently going at 25% - one blinder & three shockers.
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Has early signs of tigeritis....poor bastard.
If he goes to the cats they might be able to cure him as they did with Ottens although it took them about 2 years to detigerize Otto.
If Ellis is lucky he could go to a good club that will make him a better footballer.
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Needs to play less in defence. Its not his natural game to lock down a small fwd.
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It's sad that we have to rely on kids to play like theyre in their prime every week.
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Ellis
Has got ahead of himself on and off the field
End of story
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Made him the face of the club..
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He was one of the worst, absolutely hopeless!!
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He was one of the worst, absolutely hopeless!!
Don't say that I am glad Dr Jack is back
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Ellis should lead the membership campaign for the ressies for the next four weeks.
Pea hearted effort that.
Kid has disappointed me this year.
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Sorry OE can't find the Ellis thread.
Anyone notice his effort with 1 mins to go in the last. Was all on his own as the Lions kicked blindly out of D50. He heard footsteps but there was no1 tgere and he jumped well under the ball which bounced and went out of bounds.
Was something you'd see in the under 10s and think hmm not great signs. Weak as.
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Yeah saw that, jumped straight up bc he didn't want to go back with the flight, dermie also highlighted an incident with Houli where he pulled up real quick, also saw grigg pull out of the way when Brown took his final makr on the boundary, should have spoiled.
We will go nowhere while this type of play is allowed. Its the same players doing it week in week out and yet they never get dropped for it, then we wonder why we cant top the rot when opposition sides get a run on - answers right there dimma, some blokes don't want it bad enough - simple as that
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Gave him benefit of the doubt that he simply misjudged the flight, his mate Grigg was just as bad, both at times seem to play like girls. I think with Ellis its hard to believe but he is still only 20, still think he has plenty of development ahead of him, Grigg on the other hand is going backwards at a rate of knots.
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Along with Chaplin and Vickery just about the most disappointing player this season so far.
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What's happened to his overhead marking this year? Was a revelation last year. Now the only thing he's jumping at these days is shadows.
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Saw it. Hated it.
Get rid of him. He's always done it. Always will.
Same as Houli.
Big mistake paying conca too.
HTF did they think he was a gun.
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Hate to say it but "I told you so"
If he wasn't a first round draft pick he would be dropped before Grigg. That's where I rate him at the moment, behind Grigg, and that's saying something!
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Just getting sick of it
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He has great endurance and the only area of his game he really needed to lift in was his disposal, it looks like he has just dropped his bundle in all other areas now as well. :-\
Wont be writing him off just yet, he need to have a smashing impact in the Hawks game!!!
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He has great endurance and the only area of his game he really needed to lift in was his disposal, it looks like he has just dropped his bundle in all other areas now as well. :-\
Wont be writing him off just yet, he need to have a smashing impact in the Hawks game!!!
He was scared last year too. He just fooled everyone by getting a few kicks.
I will stop now about Ellis as I cannot stand when people bang on about one particular player. :lol
:thumbsup
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Maybe the kid aint playing as well as he can..but how old is he again?..you guys make out like he's a 10 year veteran....he aint robinson crueso playing ordinary at the minute
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Maybe the kid aint playing as well as he can..but how old is he again?..you guys make out like he's a 10 year veteran....he aint robinson crueso playing ordinary at the minute
It's one thing to be struggling form wise, like Conca as well, but it's the manner in which he is taking short steps and ducking his head and generally playing like a scared little girl.
He is an adult and as soon as he puts on an AFL jumper, especially ours, he needs to play like a man. Stop making excuses for the inexcusable.
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Ellis is 20
Conca is 21
Five years younger than Grigg houli mega squibs
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Gone missing and clearly up himself
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Gave him benefit of the doubt that he simply misjudged the flight, his mate Grigg was just as bad, both at times seem to play like girls. I think with Ellis its hard to believe but he is still only 20, still think he has plenty of development ahead of him, Grigg on the other hand is going backwards at a rate of knots.
Grigg. Worst 29 possession game in the history of the game
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20 or not, after 50-odd games I expect more from both players.
Better disposal, more balls.
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Grigg houli played two that amount
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Along with Chaplin and Vickery just about the most disappointing player this season so far.
Don't forget conkout
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Im just sick of them all. Theres a few. Call them what you want depending on the number of duds that you include.
The famous five, the secret 6, the shytefarm seven.
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Yeah saw that, jumped straight up bc he didn't want to go back with the flight, dermie also highlighted an incident with Houli where he pulled up real quick, also saw grigg pull out of the way when Brown took his final makr on the boundary, should have spoiled.
We will go nowhere while this type of play is allowed. Its the same players doing it week in week out and yet they never get dropped for it, then we wonder why we cant top the rot when opposition sides get a run on - answers right there dimma, some blokes don't want it bad enough - simple as that
Spot on TM.
Look he is young, along with Conca, I can be patient. He has upside that he can find the ball and is an elite runner. With interchange becoming a hot topic with caps, elite runner will be worth their weight very soon. Just needs to grow up a bit and maybe take a hit or two to win a game and realise the power of it. However Luke McDonald in his first game this year went back with the flight and nearly killed himself. I'm not really one for giving age as an excuse, you either have courage or you don't, very hard thing to train. As good as Joel Bowden was, he wasn't someone who loved contact and finished his career quite revered.
Spot on about Grigg and Houli being the major culprits in their late 20's, doesn't help when guys like Ellis see these two shirk contests. Its one of the many small issues we need to fix up.
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Kahunas need to drop - but will they ever?
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So what if he's young.
One is born courageous.
It's not acquired.
He's a stuffn monkey
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So what if he's young.
One is born courageous.
It's not acquired.
He's a stuffn monkey
That was my exact point, as in the Luke McDonald first game reference and that courage can't be taught.
The point is that he is young and he could turn into a player where his lack of courage is irrelevant cause he over compensated for elite kicking, goal kicking, running that he is currently trying to develop. SO i'm more lenient on Ellis than say someone like Grigg who is soft and won't be developing his skills much further.
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I wish we had the depth to drop Brandon atm. On easy street.
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I wish we had the depth to drop Brandon atm. On easy street.
About 6-8 that need to go first.
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I reckon his old man should give him a rocket because the club is incapable of getting the desired result from any harsh type word atm. Kid has been weak as pee.
Thank you Michael Firrito from Nought game last year when he was subbed early. :help
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Should either be playing Grigg's role. (I said that about Houli too but stuff him....saving Ellis' career before it's too late is far more important at this stage.)
If he keeps up this trajectory however then trade him before it's too late....might even get a first rounder.
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Should either be playing Grigg's role. (I said that about Houli too but stuff him....saving Ellis' career before it's too late is far more important at this stage.)
If he keeps up this trajectory however then trade him before it's too late....might even get a first rounder.
He was a first rounder……. :rollin
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Should either be playing Grigg's role. (I said that about Houli too but stuff him....saving Ellis' career before it's too late is far more important at this stage.)
If he keeps up this trajectory however then trade him before it's too late....might even get a first rounder.
He was a first rounder……. :rollin
Which is one reason why we just might still get one in exchange.....a better one from an uncompromised draft even.....
At some point the club (and some fans for that matter) has to realise you actually have to give up things of value to get things of value in return.
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Teams don't pick up squib p00fs.... Bar richmond
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Teams don't pick up squib p00fs.... Bar richmond
If that's the case then Carlton needn't worry about Bryce Gibbs receiving any offers.....except from us.
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Teams don't pick up squib p00fs.... Bar richmond
If that's the case then Carlton needn't worry about Bryce Gibbs receiving any offers.....except from us.
:lol
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Took a hit on 3rd qtr think it was just in front of us in a marking contest was good to see :clapping
But.....
Less than 2 minutes later otherside of ground with no player within a couple of metres ducks his head in marking contest... :banghead :banghead
Sums it up really
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This guys just not there at the moment.
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Played well tonight...showed intent and kept running when others stopped. :clapping
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Looking like a C grade footballer at present and thats being generous to the kid. Needs a spell in the reserves to think about things a little bit.
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Grigg has been a great mentor.
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Sorry Ramps don't agree
Thought he was one of our best today,
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Not playing as good as he can but was okay today
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Looking like a C grade footballer at present and thats being generous to the kid. Needs a spell in the reserves to think about things a little bit.
He might get sone ball but he doesn't do anything with it. Plodder
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Back up to 33.3% return for the year. Hopefully he can stay on the upward trend this time.
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Looking like a C grade footballer at present and thats being generous to the kid. Needs a spell in the reserves to think about things a little bit.
He might get sone ball but he doesn't do anything with it. Plodder
when your leaders or lack of em are playing the way they are how can someone like Ellis learn from them.
Honestly when he looks up and sees 150-200 game veterans like the hacks we have do you blame the guy for squibbing. I dont. I wouldnt want to stand next to those limpgots as they will msot likely try and tickle his date during the game.
stuffin homo's the lot of em.
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Sorry Ramps don't agree
Thought he was one of our best today,
Agreed thought he was one of the few in the first 3 quarters to try and break the lines and go forward.
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Yep he was pretty good today
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Was OK
Certainly wasn't the worst
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Was OK
Certainly wasn't the worst
Who does that title belong to WP?
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Was OK
Certainly wasn't the worst
Who does that title belong to WP?
Which title? Worst?
So many to chose from but reckon Chaplin would go to close, for a leader offers nothing
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Brandon made a few blues today, and if he has a licence to run through the middle, he needs to do more damage. Nonetheless was our best player today.
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Not our worst... I'm glad that's how we mark our young talent.
Like most of our soft footballers, was nowhere to be seen when the game was on the line. Ran around in circles and kicked backwards as usual.
We keep blaming our Moneyball players but in reality our youth are just as bad. Vaulastin is the only one worth watching at the moment.
Since the 2008 draft only two players IMO , Dusty and Vlastuin would get a regular game for Hawthorn. The rest are SH/7!
The same old people will have the same old excuses but it's true.
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Was OK
Certainly wasn't the worst
Who does that title belong to WP?
Which title? Worst?
So many to chose from but reckon Chaplin would go to close, for a leader offers nothing
That Chappy got voted into the leadership group says something about the voters. You'd have to think that they don't know what to look for in a leader.
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Was OK
Certainly wasn't the worst
Who does that title belong to WP?
Which title? Worst?
So many to chose from but reckon Chaplin would go to close, for a leader offers nothing
That Chappy got voted into the leadership group says something about the voters. You'd have to think that they don't know what to look for in a leader.
spot on :clapping I said the same thing a few days ago - doesn't reflect well on the people who voted him in!!
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Was OK
Certainly wasn't the worst
Who does that title belong to WP?
Which title? Worst?
So many to chose from but reckon Chaplin would go to close, for a leader offers nothing
That Chappy got voted into the leadership group says something about the voters. You'd have to think that they don't know what to look for in a leader.
someone that won't make them work too hard...
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Ellis stands tall
richmondfc.com.au
April 30, 2014 3:42 PM
Talented, young midfielder Brandon Ellis is embracing the extra responsibility that’s come his way within the Richmond line-up.
The 20-year-old, who is in his third season at the Club, wants to do what he can to help ease the load on the Tigers’ playing leaders
“I’m getting on to 50 games now, so I think there’s a bit more pressure for me to stand up and perform each week. I’ve had the experience from my first two years,” Ellis said.
“I think this year and, hopefully, the next couple of years, I’ve just got to stand up and help ‘Cotchy’ (Trent Cotchin), ‘Lids’ (Brett Deledio) and Jack (Riewoldt) out when they need help and when they’re not going too well.”
Ellis was a shining light for Richmond in last Sunday’s loss to Hawthorn at the MCG, picking up 32 disposals and working hard to generate some much-needed run for the team.
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-30/ellis-stands-tall
ED: :-\
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as always the timing is impeccable..
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He butchered the ball, panicked under pressure, gave his team mates hospital passes and hand balls and he was a "shining light", oh me, oh my, :banghead :banghead
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To put it bluntly I thought he played crap despite 32 touches.
One good game and 5 poor ones now from Brandon's buddies.
Been a big disappointment so far this year.
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He butchered the ball, panicked under pressure, gave his team mates hospital passes and hand balls and he was a "shining light", oh me, oh my, :banghead :banghead
For Mine Monkey he was BOB (Best on Bench) ;D
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Brandon is running in circles and running out of puff.
Just has no clue right now and is labouring in games for a guy with supposed elite fitness.
One of the year's biggest disappointments continues.
WHY?
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Brandon is running in circles and running out of puff.
Just has no clue right now and is labouring in games for a guy with supposed elite fitness.
One of the year's biggest disappointments continues.
WHY?
Tigeritis.
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Too many pills
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Brandon is running in circles and running out of puff.
Just has no clue right now and is labouring in games for a guy with supposed elite fitness.
One of the year's biggest disappointments continues.
WHY?
Watching him on the replay he is one of the players who trys too much fancy poo & he is not using his brain. Kicks short, trys to take someone on when a kick is the better option.
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Needs to be dropped.
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Who are our midfielders who can win their own ball and then provide the run and carry to get us through congestion?
I would suggest Cotch, Flossy, Conca and Jackson. Ellis doesn't seem to have the strength, like Lids, to win his own ball then force his way to the outside. Foley used to be an inside and outside player and showed glimpses of it in the first half but I'm not sure if he can run out a game any longer. Thomas is a pure ball winner. From what I have seen of miles he plays like a less polished version of Cotch. Titch is more outside than in but can be surprizingly good around the bounce.
If we are faced with an opposition who is using this rolling maul defense then our one dimensional midfielders like Grigg, Lids (yes, even Lids), Ellis and Thomas need to be rested to make way for our more two dimensional midfielders who can play man-on-man and force their way to the outside. Play Lids in Houli's place.
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You're right Stripes. The Swans for example have these type of players in abundance and it is showing in they way they are performing. Kennedy, Jack, Parker, Hannebury, Bird and McVeigh
are all hard at it two dimensional types we so desperately need. At the moment we have one in Cotch and the rest are show ponies prancing around waiting to be fed.
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Very true. I feel like Vlas will be this type of player in time but we need more.
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Not sure if its been mentioned before but Ellis reminds me of a bobble head you have sitting on the dash of your car. Moves a lot but doesn't really go anywhere, always looks puffed out but seems lately to be simply in the wrong places as are most of our midfielders.
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Lids can win the ball
Better than Conca and Jackson too
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Be very interesting to see Ellis's running data in comparison to last season.
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Brandon Ellis Appreciation Society
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:lol :lol
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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:lol :lol :lol
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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what a pee-er :lol
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Heh....Ellis Degeneres...
....both have an aversion to putting their heads over balls...
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Heh....Ellis Degeneres...
....both have an aversion to putting their heads over balls...
:lol :rollin :lol
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:lol
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Heh....Ellis Degeneres...
....both have an aversion to putting their heads over balls...
:lol :lol :clapping
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Heh....Ellis Degeneres...
....both have an aversion to putting their heads over balls...
;D
Brandon Ellen.
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Heh....Ellis Degeneres...
....both have an aversion to putting their heads over balls...
:lol :rollin :lol
:clapping
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Heh....Ellis Degeneres...
....both have an aversion to putting their heads over balls...
That is Gold Dio. :lol :bow :clapping
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best game of the year, albeit against no competition. Nonetheless taackled chased harrassed
Cant fault him today. Should never be put in the same breath as spuds like Graham and Edwards. Much younger and has plenty of upside. I would also say he is played more quality games than those other 2 have in their careers, although today Shaun played well.
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best game of the year, albeit against no competition. Nonetheless taackled chased harrassed
Cant fault him today. Should never be put in the same breath as spuds like Graham and Edwards. Much younger and has plenty of upside. I would also say he is played more quality games than those other 2 have in their careers, although today Shaun played well.
Oh no Angus! :shh
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lids could get moved back to be a defender/distributor
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still has alot to learn. good game but not in the best
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best game of the year, albeit against no competition. Nonetheless taackled chased harrassed
Cant fault him today. Should never be put in the same breath as spuds like Graham and Edwards. Much younger and has plenty of upside. I would also say he is played more quality games than those other 2 have in their careers, although today Shaun played well.
I look forward to watching the replay because I can tell you that sitting in the wonderful boutique stadium that is Spotless Stadium enjoying a "Ian's soft serve" ice cream I didn't see that much chasing especially when it came to 2nd efforts, certainly didn't see much harassing
Did see a fair bit of standing behind packs waiting for the cheap kick again. Saw a few tackles though which was pleasing but needs to do a lot more when he doesn't have it.
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Well your blind WP or were blind drunk. I'm sorry to say need to get those lids checked out or get off the grog
He was good yesterday. Has played better but compared to his usual output this year thought he did his job
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I didn't see that much chasing especially when it came to 2nd efforts, certainly didn't see much harassing
Did see a fair bit of standing behind packs waiting for the cheap kick again. Saw a few tackles though which was pleasing but needs to do a lot more when he doesn't have it.
Clearly Grigg's taken him under his wing.
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Pretty handy game by Brando yesterday, ran them of their legs, had it on a string :shh
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Pretty handy game by Brando yesterday, ran them of their legs, had it on a string :shh
If they're not running just trotting in a small arc can run them off their legs. :lol :rollin :lol
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.like to translate that, ::)
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.like to translate that, ::)
Yeah it means you can't make out the forest from the trees. But hey what do I give a skata about it.
Lets just wait and see how the team performs against some opposition providing a hint of resistance and please
don't tell me how long you've been a member or how many games you go to if you go them I reckon just quietly I may have you covered. Whoa :shh
FFS we beat side who lost by 111 in their last start prior to yesterday. It's not as if we were playing Port at Adelaide Oval.
I want to see Brando in the next few weeks before I even say he's reached the corner let alone turned it.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop.
BJ 32 years a member. I may have found the Punt Rd jinx. :lol :rollin :lol
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Certainly not in the vlastuin / conca class
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Well your blind WP or were blind drunk. I'm sorry to say need to get those lids checked out or get off the grog
He was good yesterday. Has played better but compared to his usual output this year thought he did his job
Now Angus, always have to have a bit of whack when you don't agree. Wasn't drunk, because I don't drink at the footy that is well known by everyone here >:(
Wish though you'd actually read exactly what I wrote
I said I haven't watched the replay because I was actually at the game. I've always said a number of times that what you see at the game and what gets shown on the TV is very different.
Will watch the replay and see how his game comes across but based on what I saw at the game his work off the ball was no better than it's been all season. Yes something's he did better than he has been but still not where it should be
And I'll say it again lets not get too carried away with performances yesterday, the Giants were non competitive
Let's see if blokes back it up next week :thumbsup
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Had a few squib moments and did the old Tambling soft shoe shuffle of uncertainty around the edge of contests a couple of times but generally played well and took the game on I thought. Was good to see him take a couple of strong marks again - a strength of his game that's been missing this year. Started to worry when he was even squibbing those against Melbourne because it's normally one area of his game where he doesn't lack courage. Go figure.
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Yeah, thought he was orright.
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Dud
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Bit soft, think he'd be pretty good in a good team who run and spread. He isn't a contested footballer, no point judging him like one. He's tougher than Edwards is.
Need him to be a Nick Dal Santo type, needs to improve his skills a bit more.
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very average footballer at this stage of the proceedings, hasnt come on and has gone backwards at a rate of knots. very disappointing from Brandon.
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Bit soft, think he'd be pretty good in a good team who run and spread. He isn't a contested footballer, no point judging him like one. He's tougher than Edwards is.
Need him to be a Nick Dal Santo type, needs to improve his skills a bit more.
Should play Grigg's role. That's the problem with our depth. In a good side Conca would be their Thomas, Houli would be a depth player at best etc, etc......
Time to bring in the kids and give the other established kids more responsibilty and better suited roles.
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Bit soft, think he'd be pretty good in a good team who run and spread. He isn't a contested footballer, no point judging him like one. He's tougher than Edwards is.
Need him to be a Nick Dal Santo type, needs to improve his skills a bit more.
Should play Grigg's role. That's the problem with our depth. In a good side Conca would be their Thomas, Houli would be a depth player at best etc, etc......
Time to bring in the kids and give the other established kids more responsibilty and better suited roles.
Agree, whilst he isn't our biggest problem, he's the one who annoys me the most. If you watch him on tv he seems OK, watch him closely live and you will see a lazy, unaccountable, non chasing more talented version of Grigg. For a guy who's supposed to be an elite runner, absolutely jogs when when the other team has the ball and is always caught in no man's land. Needs to tag for an extended period of time until he develops a defensive side. Wouldn't be tolerated in a Ross Lyon coached side or another team where everyone is accountable and where they don't spend their lives checking out the stats sheet.
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Trade now.
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ah another of fjs hailed first round success stories.
jon, fail
riewoldt, pass
cotchin pass
vickery fail,
martin pass
conca ????
ellis ?????
vlastuin pass
lennon ?????
old fj is starting to look a bit wobbly even with the first rounders.
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ah another of fjs hailed first round success stories.
jon, fail
riewoldt, pass
cotchin pass
vickery fail,
martin pass
conca ????
ellis ?????
vlastuin pass
lennon ?????
old fj is starting to look a bit wobbly even with the first rounders.
Id give the club 18 more months to completely ruin this guys career too.
Poor bastard.
Tigeritis™©® alive and well at punt road.
The cycle of Skata. (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/toilet/full-of-crap.gif)
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ah another of fjs hailed first round success stories.
jon, fail
riewoldt, pass
cotchin pass
vickery fail,
martin pass
conca ????
ellis ?????
vlastuin pass
lennon ?????
old fj is starting to look a bit wobbly even with the first rounders.
Id give the club 18 more months to completely ruin this guys career too.
Poor bastard.
Tigeritis™©® alive and well at punt road.
The cycle of Skata. (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/toilet/full-of-crap.gif)
Love that Skata cycle image ;D suits the club
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Punt Road is an Abattoir for young talent.
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Bit soft, think he'd be pretty good in a good team who run and spread. He isn't a contested footballer, no point judging him like one. He's tougher than Edwards is.
Need him to be a Nick Dal Santo type, needs to improve his skills a bit more.
Should play Grigg's role. That's the problem with our depth. In a good side Conca would be their Thomas, Houli would be a depth player at best etc, etc......
Time to bring in the kids and give the other established kids more responsibilty and better suited roles.
Agree, whilst he isn't our biggest problem, he's the one who annoys me the most. If you watch him on tv he seems OK, watch him closely live and you will see a lazy, unaccountable, non chasing more talented version of Grigg. For a guy who's supposed to be an elite runner, absolutely jogs when when the other team has the ball and is always caught in no man's land. Needs to tag for an extended period of time until he develops a defensive side. Wouldn't be tolerated in a Ross Lyon coached side or another team where everyone is accountable and where they don't spend their lives checking out the stats sheet.
Well said.
I hate Ellis
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Bit soft, think he'd be pretty good in a good team who run and spread. He isn't a contested footballer, no point judging him like one. He's tougher than Edwards is.
Need him to be a Nick Dal Santo type, needs to improve his skills a bit more.
Agree
I actually dont think he has been that bad the last 2 weeks. Before that yes.
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ah another of fjs hailed first round success stories.
jon, fail
riewoldt, pass
cotchin pass
vickery fail,
martin pass
conca ????
ellis ?????
vlastuin pass
lennon ?????
old fj is starting to look a bit wobbly even with the first rounders.
Id give the club 18 more months to completely ruin this guys career too.
Poor bastard.
Tigeritis™©® alive and well at punt road.
The cycle of Skata. (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/toilet/full-of-crap.gif)
Agreed. Even Cotchin and Lids are heading that way. Martin will get it before Flossy though.
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Watched quite a few contests' of Brandon's against the Dons and think he's just about near the biggest cat we have.
Face of the footy club? Lol.
I'd drop him. Kid needs a rocket.
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Could be the most frustrating player on our list! Did I miss something in his formative years, did he get cleaned up by someone? Have a crack at the VFL & get after some big clearance and contested numbers. Cannot play scared.
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Squibbed it ala houli
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There's no a player between him and conca.
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Sorry, her.
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This guy should be sponsored by the RTA and wear a one way sign!
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When he first arrived I wouldn't have thought him to be a soft player but he's showing he is. Geelong wouldn't cop his half hearted efforts.
Mentors, Grigg, Houli etc. have shown him the way.
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Go Brandon !!!
(http://venus.provocateuse.com/images/photos/joan_jett_02.jpg)
So now you're saying he's a Jet(t)?
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When he first arrived I wouldn't have thought him to be a soft player but he's showing he is. Geelong wouldn't cop his half hearted efforts.
Mentors, Grigg, Houli etc. have shown him the way.
Yep
It all comes back to the coach - this is why I am actually laying most of this mess at his feet (which is not something I have traditionally advocated). By not punishing CONSISTENT half arsed efforts from houli, grigg and co the past 3-4 years, he has allowed young impressionable players to develop/copy bad habits. Watching newman refuse to man up hasn't helped either - msg is if you are a run and carry or release player, don't worry about anything else
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Spot on, you political refugee :thumbsup
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When he first arrived I wouldn't have thought him to be a soft player but he's showing he is. Geelong wouldn't cop his half hearted efforts.
Mentors, Grigg, Houli etc. have shown him the way.
Yep
It all comes back to the coach - this is why I am actually laying most of this mess at his feet (which is not something I have traditionally advocated). By not punishing CONSISTENT half arsed efforts from houli, grigg and co the past 3-4 years, he has allowed young impressionable players to develop/copy bad habits. Watching newman refuse to man up hasn't helped either - msg is if you are a run and carry or release player, don't worry about anything else
Spot on, Ellis has gone backwards this year.
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I've turned on Ellis this year and rightly so. Fradulent footballer.
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I'm not glad Ellis is soft, I'm just glad most can see it now.
My mates I go to the footy all now agree with me after defending him for a long while.
I think he needs a run in the twos and they should play Arnot. We need guys that are competitive beasts.
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When he first arrived I wouldn't have thought him to be a soft player but he's showing he is. Geelong wouldn't cop his half hearted efforts.
Mentors, Grigg, Houli etc. have shown him the way.
Yep
It all comes back to the coach - this is why I am actually laying most of this mess at his feet (which is not something I have traditionally advocated). By not punishing CONSISTENT half arsed efforts from houli, grigg and co the past 3-4 years, he has allowed young impressionable players to develop/copy bad habits. Watching newman refuse to man up hasn't helped either - msg is if you are a run and carry or release player, don't worry about anything else
Spot on, Ellis has gone backwards this year.
this year?
He's playing the same way he always has
As I said in another thread; when you are winning things that are problems get ignored, when you lose there is no place to hide and the problems glow for everyone to see, that's what has happened here
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When he first arrived I wouldn't have thought him to be a soft player but he's showing he is. Geelong wouldn't cop his half hearted efforts.
Mentors, Grigg, Houli etc. have shown him the way.
Yep
It all comes back to the coach - this is why I am actually laying most of this mess at his feet (which is not something I have traditionally advocated). By not punishing CONSISTENT half arsed efforts from houli, grigg and co the past 3-4 years, he has allowed young impressionable players to develop/copy bad habits. Watching newman refuse to man up hasn't helped either - msg is if you are a run and carry or release player, don't worry about anything else
Spot on, Ellis has gone backwards this year.
this year?
He's playing the same way he always has
As I said in another thread; when you are winning things that are problems get ignored, when you lose there is no place to hide and the problems glow for everyone to see, that's what has happened here
You little fukkas listening?
That's wisdom speaking.
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lol
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I wonder what the poster boy selection process was
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Contracted to when ?
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(http://oi59.tinypic.com/11kauxw.jpg)
lol
Ages ago (I think 2006/2007) I remember seeing a billboard which had Andrew Raines and Brett Deledio ripping their shirts off superman style and underneath was the richmond guernsey. I remember thinking to myself this publicity is going to go to either/both of their heads and they're going to be end up being crap. And we all know what happened to Andrew Raines. I have the same emotions with that Ellis promotional material as I did the Raines/Deledio billboard.
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Is he officially a potato now? I want claws opinion
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A think a few too many got a little over excited about this bloke. He has not lived up to the hype, could be another 8 year list clogger if he doesn't get it together next year.
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Yet at the same time, he offers abundantly more than conca
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Latvian potatoe
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Yet at the same time, he offers abundantly more than conca
Sorry Ox, cannot agree
Granted his disposal at times is poor to say the least.... but and its a huge BUT
Conca has never pulled out of a contest, puts his head over the ball and attacks the footy. He tackles and isn't worried about getting hit
I'll take that any day over someone who gets 30 odd possessions which are predominantly made up of 20 metre chip kicks
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Spot on, Ellis has gone backwards this year.
this year?
He's playing the same way he always has
As I said in another thread; when you are winning things that are problems get ignored, when you lose there is no place to hide and the problems glow for everyone to see, that's what has happened here
Actually he has improved his statistics in nearly every single field this year including tackles, contested possessions, clearances and one percenters which most people would include in the "hard stuff". Although I've always said he shirks it a bit he is improving, but WP was on the right train of thought but in fact wrong regarding this example. Once we play bad people glance over the improvements and assume everyone is playing much worse.
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Yet at the same time, he offers abundantly more than conca
w0t
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Actually he has improved his statistics in nearly every single field this year including tackles, contested possessions, clearances and one percenters which most people would include in the "hard stuff". Although I've always said he shirks it a bit he is improving, but WP was on the right train of thought but in fact wrong regarding this example. Once we play bad people glance over the improvements and assume everyone is playing much worse.
Understand your point, would be interested to know what sort of improvement statistical there's been. Eg tackling if he was averaging say 1 tackle a game in 2013 and now averages 2.5 then it isn't that great an improvement.
But having said that stats can be misleading, very misleading. Or as a wise man once told me "you make stats tell whatever story you want them too" ;D
For example I think he is an excellent long kick but the majority of his kicks this season seem to be short "chippies". Going into the dreamtime game he had; had 29 long kicks as opposed to 51 short kicks. He may have improved his tackling stats but again going into Dreamtime he wasn't in the top 5 tacklers in the side (Conca was way out in front with 62, Jackson 5th with 32 in 7 games). Ditto with hard ball gets not in the top 5, so although his stats in certain areas may have improved they don't appear to have improved enough to get him into the top 5 in a lot of the categories.
The other thing I noticed is his numbers say that just on 73% of his possessions are uncontested, so again although the stats say his contested possession numbers have improved they don't even make up 30% of his total possession. So if it is sitting around 27% in 2014 what was it previously?
But the glaring one for me is at "crunch times".
And with that in mind stats mean very little when a game is on the line and it's just you and your opponent and as the ball comes into the oppositions F50 you stand there like a stuffed donkey because you're not prepared to get hit and let said opponent gather ball and kick the winning goal (see round 3 -v- Footscray and Gia's goal). That's where stats lie because nothing would have registered on the stats sheet but in this case it certainly registered on the scoreboard and when you lose the scoreboard doesn't lie
But as I said would be very interested in the numbers regarding the improvement :thumbsup
ED: just noticed that going into Dreamtime Ellis' was averaging 2.9 tackles a game, two best on the list were Thomas at 7.7 per game & Conca 6.9 per game
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Yet at the same time, he offers abundantly more than conca
Sorry Ox, cannot agree
Granted his disposal at times is poor to say the least.... but and its a huge BUT
Conca has never pulled out of a contest, puts his head over the ball and attacks the footy. He tackles and isn't worried about getting hit
I'll take that any day over someone who gets 30 odd possessions which are predominantly made up of 20 metre chip kicks
Some stats for you Ox re Conca leading into the Dreamtime game (rd 11)
Contested Possessions = 41.2%
Uncontested = 58.80%
Tackles: Conca led the side in tackles with 62
Top 5 = Conca 62, Thomas 46, Cotchin 39, Griffiths 35 & Jacko 32
Hard ball gets top 5:
Martin 37
Cotchin 36
Conca 32
Edwards 29 :o
Thomas 28
Make of them what you like ;D
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Yet at the same time, he offers abundantly more than conca
Wot
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Conga is light years ahead
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Some stats for you Ox re Conca leading into the Dreamtime game (rd 11)
Contested Possessions = 41.2%
Uncontested = 58.80%
Tackles: Conca led the side in tackles with 62
Top 5 = Conca 62, Thomas 46, Cotchin 39, Griffiths 35 & Jacko 32
Hard ball gets top 5:
Martin 37
Cotchin 36
Conca 32
Edwards 29 :o
Thomas 28
Make of them what you like ;D
Good post.
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An improvement is an improvement whether it be an extra tackle a game or 5 IMO and doesn't deserve to be cited as "going backwards" which is what yellowandback said (although you somewhat disagreed). So I don't agree with your measurement of improvement being he has to reach the top 5 in stats I just think as long as it is better than his previous year.
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Some stats for you Ox re Conca leading into the Dreamtime game (rd 11)
Contested Possessions = 41.2%
Uncontested = 58.80%
Tackles: Conca led the side in tackles with 62
Top 5 = Conca 62, Thomas 46, Cotchin 39, Griffiths 35 & Jacko 32
Hard ball gets top 5:
Martin 37
Cotchin 36
Conca 32
Edwards 29 :o
Thomas 28
Make of them what you like ;D
Good post.
Yeh look, it's a funny kind of thing. Even tho, on paper he's a better player, he's not.
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Some stats for you Ox re Conca leading into the Dreamtime game (rd 11)
Contested Possessions = 41.2%
Uncontested = 58.80%
Tackles: Conca led the side in tackles with 62
Top 5 = Conca 62, Thomas 46, Cotchin 39, Griffiths 35 & Jacko 32
Hard ball gets top 5:
Martin 37
Cotchin 36
Conca 32
Edwards 29 :o
Thomas 28
Make of them what you like ;D
Good post.
Yeh look, it's a funny kind of thing. Even tho, on paper he's a better player, he's not.
Conca has some grunt and aggression about him... Ellis lacks and we have enough bloody soft players as it is.
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An improvement is an improvement whether it be an extra tackle a game or 5 IMO and doesn't deserve to be cited as "going backwards" which is what yellowandback said (although you somewhat disagreed). So I don't agree with your measurement of improvement being he has to reach the top 5 in stats I just think as long as it is better than his previous year.
Hold on a minute, where did I say he needed to be in the top five?
I just highlighted that in the categories you listed he still wasn't in the top 5 at the club but did that I'd be interested to know what his overall numbers re his improvements were. Eg how great is the improvement. Would be interested to know seeing he's been in the system 3 years now
As for my reply to yelloweandblack you are right I did disagree with the assertion that he's gone backwards this season.
IMV he hasn't gone backwards because IMV his performances haven't changed from last year despite what the numbers may suggest. You'd hope that by now (3 yrs in) he'd be showing more than incremental improvement.
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Yet at the same time, he offers abundantly more than conca
Sorry Ox, cannot agree
Granted his disposal at times is poor to say the least.... but and its a huge BUT
Conca has never pulled out of a contest, puts his head over the ball and attacks the footy. He tackles and isn't worried about getting hit
I'll take that any day over someone who gets 30 odd possessions which are predominantly made up of 20 metre chip kicks
Some stats for you Ox re Conca leading into the Dreamtime game (rd 11)
Contested Possessions = 41.2%
Uncontested = 58.80%
Tackles: Conca led the side in tackles with 62
Top 5 = Conca 62, Thomas 46, Cotchin 39, Griffiths 35 & Jacko 32
Hard ball gets top 5:
Martin 37
Cotchin 36
Conca 32
Edwards 29 :o
Thomas 28
Make of them what you like ;D
shredder :bow
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Where is the "we should have drafted a packet twisties rather than Ellis" thread?
Ox you are delusional if you think Ellis is a better player than Conca.
Besides the ability to look more flashy at times, in what way is he a better player?
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Hold on a minute, where did I say he needed to be in the top five?
I just highlighted that in the categories you listed he still wasn't in the top 5 at the club but did that I'd be interested to know what his overall numbers re his improvements were. Eg how great is the improvement. Would be interested to know seeing he's been in the system 3 years now
As for my reply to yelloweandblack you are right I did disagree with the assertion that he's gone backwards this season.
IMV he hasn't gone backwards because IMV his performances haven't changed from last year despite what the numbers may suggest. You'd hope that by now (3 yrs in) he'd be showing more than incremental improvement.
He may have improved his tackling stats but again going into Dreamtime he wasn't in the top 5 tacklers in the side (Conca was way out in front with 62, Jackson 5th with 32 in 7 games). Ditto with hard ball gets not in the top 5, so although his stats in certain areas may have improved they don't appear to have improved enough to get him into the top 5 in a lot of the categories.
Gives the impression that for any improvement to be acknowledged they have to burst their way into the top 5. Do you want improvement from last year or his career? What stat's just the ones I listed particularly?
Yeah you did that's why my OP was mainly directed at him :thumbsup I just left you in the quote because I somewhat disagreed with what you said about us losing making us finally realising the flaws. I'd cut him some slack for incremental improvement in his 3rd year since he had a huge one in his second year, something a lot of players struggle to do.
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Where is the "we should have drafted a packet twisties rather than Ellis" thread?
Ox you are delusional if you think Ellis is a better player than Conca.
Besides the ability to look more flashy at times, in what way is he a better player?
Not I don't.
I think they're both failures at afl level.
Here r we, debating who's the "least" poo out of the two. Lol
Go Tiges
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Not I don't.
I think they're both failures at afl level.
Here r we, debating who's the "least" poo out of the two. Lol
Go Tiges
Lol its Edwards and Nahas all over again. Except these high draft picks are plodders and have no pace whatsoever.
Conca tags so all he does all day is sit on a players bum and tackle them. Irrelevant tackling stats. Would like to see him tackle a player in the open sometime. Ellis, well Ellis doesn't tackle. He just drifts looking for the loose ball. Grigg Mk 2.
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So who can we bang on about that we should have drafted instead of Ellis?
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Not I don't.
I think they're both failures at afl level.
Here r we, debating who's the "least" poo out of the two. Lol
Go Tiges
Lol its Edwards and Nahas all over again. Except these high draft picks are plodders and have no pace whatsoever.
Conca tags so all he does all day is sit on a players bum and tackle them. Irrelevant tackling stats. Would like to see him tackle a player in the open sometime. Ellis, well Ellis doesn't tackle. He just drifts looking for the loose ball. Grigg Mk 2.
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I also enjoy watching conca get pinged ALL the time for holding the ball.
Not.
Lol
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Gives the impression that for any improvement to be acknowledged they have to burst their way into the top 5. Do you want improvement from last year or his career? What stat's just the ones I listed particularly?
Yeah you did that's why my OP was mainly directed at him :thumbsup I just left you in the quote because I somewhat disagreed with what you said about us losing making us finally realising the flaws. I'd cut him some slack for incremental improvement in his 3rd year since he had a huge one in his second year, something a lot of players struggle to do.
No they don't have to burst into the top 5 in categories but I think it's fair to question the numbers. As I said if his tackling numbers are showing he's gone from 1 tackle a game to 2.5 then I'd argue the number may say he's improved but he hasn't actually improved as much as you would think someone coming into season 3 should have.
I would love to now his numbers re tackling, hard ball gets and 1% ers. The ones that I look to. Will try and fish them out because I am genuinely interested. And BTW I don't think his cause this year has been helped by the club spruiking preseason about him going to another level because he clearly hasn't
Re my view on losing making the flaws all the more clearer. I stand by that. Look at Vickery, he is playing exactly like he did last year with the intensity of carrot but last year it didn't matter as much because we were winning. People ignored it or said his 15 minute cameos were enough.
Look at Grigg & Houli we are losing in 2014 and the strangely the media are jumping up and down about their flaws. Last year not a peep from the so called experts.
Winning allows things to be over looked or ignored, losing doesn't
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One thing I will say in his defence - he's an excellent and very underrated mark and plays tall for his size and for all the courage he seemigly lacks at ground level, he generally has no such issues in the air.....and he at least looks to be finding form again in that area of his game in recent weeks.
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Gives the impression that for any improvement to be acknowledged they have to burst their way into the top 5. Do you want improvement from last year or his career? What stat's just the ones I listed particularly?
Yeah you did that's why my OP was mainly directed at him :thumbsup I just left you in the quote because I somewhat disagreed with what you said about us losing making us finally realising the flaws. I'd cut him some slack for incremental improvement in his 3rd year since he had a huge one in his second year, something a lot of players struggle to do.
No they don't have to burst into the top 5 in categories but I think it's fair to question the numbers. As I said if his tackling numbers are showing he's gone from 1 tackle a game to 2.5 then I'd argue the number may say he's improved but he hasn't actually improved as much as you would think someone coming into season 3 should have.
I would love to now his numbers re tackling, hard ball gets and 1% ers. The ones that I look to. Will try and fish them out because I am genuinely interested. And BTW I don't think his cause this year has been helped by the club spruiking preseason about him going to another level because he clearly hasn't
Re my view on losing making the flaws all the more clearer. I stand by that. Look at Vickery, he is playing exactly like he did last year with the intensity of carrot but last year it didn't matter as much because we were winning. People ignored it or said his 15 minute cameos were enough.
Look at Grigg & Houli we are losing in 2014 and the strangely the media are jumping up and down about their flaws. Last year not a peep from the so called experts.
Winning allows things to be over looked or ignored, losing doesn't
It certainly is fair to question the numbers and I'll agree it isn't much of an improvement but I maintain that an improvement doesn't deserved to be labelled as "going backwards"
Category This year Previous year 2012
Tackling 3.0 2.1 1.7
1%'s 1.3 1.0 1.3 (could argue this is higher due to him being on a HBF)
Contested possessions 6.0 4.8 4.1
Disposals 23.0 18.6 15.7 (only put this in because I was surprised he had more
. disposals this year to be honest)
So yep not massive improvements but still improvements. Except for 1%ers even I wouldn't bother arguing the HBF shizen.
I see your point but I just see it a bit differently. I just reckon when losing people tend to ignore the good stuff and the imrpovements and focus on the bad stuff.
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It certainly is fair to question the numbers and I'll agree it isn't much of an improvement but I maintain that an improvement doesn't deserved to be labelled as "going backwards"
Category This year Previous year 2012
Tackling 3.0 2.1 1.7
1%'s 1.3 1.0 1.3 (could argue this is higher due to him being on a HBF)
Contested possessions 6.0 4.8 4.1
Disposals 23.0 18.6 15.7 (only put this in because I was surprised he had more
. disposals this year to be honest)
So yep not massive improvements but still improvements. Except for 1%ers even I wouldn't bother arguing the HBF shizen.
I see your point but I just see it a bit differently. I just reckon when losing people tend to ignore the good stuff and the imrpovements and focus on the bad stuff.
Thanks for that :thumbsup
Actually not surprised by his total possession numbers, executing a lot of short kicks this year.
Have to say the tackling one is the one that most concerns me but at the same time doesn't surprise me either. TBH Would have hoped it would have doubled from 2 to 4.
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Brandon Dike and Reece Witherspoon.
Who else we got? ;D
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Still don't know who we should have drafted instead
I can't see how you can have a bagging thread without the old chestnut we should have drafted ......
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It certainly is fair to question the numbers and I'll agree it isn't much of an improvement but I maintain that an improvement doesn't deserved to be labelled as "going backwards"
Category This year Previous year 2012
Tackling 3.0 2.1 1.7
1%'s 1.3 1.0 1.3 (could argue this is higher due to him being on a HBF)
Contested possessions 6.0 4.8 4.1
Disposals 23.0 18.6 15.7 (only put this in because I was surprised he had more
. disposals this year to be honest)
So yep not massive improvements but still improvements. Except for 1%ers even I wouldn't bother arguing the HBF shizen.
I see your point but I just see it a bit differently. I just reckon when losing people tend to ignore the good stuff and the imrpovements and focus on the bad stuff.
Thanks for that :thumbsup
Actually not surprised by his total possession numbers, executing a lot of short kicks this year.
Have to say the tackling one is the one that most concerns me but at the same time doesn't surprise me either. TBH Would have hoped it would have doubled from 2 to 4.
As someone with supposedly a massive tank, you'd think he could put in a few more tackles. But with Grigg as his role model what do you expect ;)
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Still don't know who we should have drafted instead
I can't see how you can have a bagging thread without the old chestnut we should have drafted ......
Bootsma although mail is we will use our 2nd round pick on him at the end of the year
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As someone with supposedly a massive tank, you'd think he could put in a few more tackles. But with Grigg as his role model what do you expect ;)
So true, so very true
:thumbsup
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Soft bruise free player
Needs to be dropped
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Should be dropped for haircut.
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Who???? Is he in the team????????
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God Ellis, hero goal... :chuck
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:chuck :chuck :chuck
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for all the courage he seemigly lacks at ground level, he generally has no such issues in the air....
Thanks for making a liar out of me today, Brandon.
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Hows the pump up when we were 5 goals down..
When we had a slight sniff it didn't look as stupid. But in reflection it was dump. Especially since the goal that his kick was the first kick he kicked forward of centre all day.
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I reckon his last few weeks have been pretty good. Barring the Essendon game actually.
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he does things in games I dont like. again today he was poor at some contests. very poor.
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he does things in games I dont like. again today he was poor at some contests. very poor.
Yep
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he does things in games I dont like. again today he was poor at some contests. very poor.
Yep
Terrific, just terrific TM
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problem is that not a week goes by where this doesnt happen. its becoming a big problem for Brandon IMHO.
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Chelsea wasn't the only girl on the field today.
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Him and Conca are Heckyl and Jeckyl
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Coincidence that he started to play well when the lights were turned on?
Sleeps with the lights on does Brandon
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Brandene and Cletus.
Ellis and Houli.
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Houli should be wearing a full berka, ffs!
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If they can play football I wouldn't care if they came out dressed as Lennie the wonder lizard
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Momentum killer today.....some horrible balls ups that cost us goals.......he could be our ext Dan Jackson....... :banghead
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Gone from fairly reliable to reliably enigmatic.
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Houli should be wearing a full berka, ffs!
Yep he's playing like a woman. :help
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Chelsea wasn't the only girl on the field today.
;D :clapping :clapping nailed it right there Fluffy kitten ;D
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I reckon his last few weeks have been pretty good. Barring the Essendon game actually.
:lol l don't think you are watching the correct player cause if you were Brandon Ellis will be the next player dropped ;D
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if hes going to be so outside i want to see him gut run all day. i want to see him run lines, i want to see him make good decisions with ball in hand, i want to see him kick well. and probably most important i want to see him go when its turn to go and also defend well.
if he cant consistently do these things as an outside mid get rid of him.
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if hes going to be so outside i want to see him gut run all day. i want to see him run lines, i want to see him make good decisions with ball in hand, i want to see him kick well. and probably most important i want to see him go when its turn to go and also defend well.
if he cant consistently do these things as an outside mid get rid of him.
l like to see him kick forward & not handball at all. He is no good at all cause his on the outside going inside the guy is backwards.
GET HIM OUT :scream :scream :scream
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his inability to play all contests on their merits is a big problem. needs to play reserves footy for a while and think about things. its not acceptable the way he is playing at the moment.
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Brandene and Cletus.
Ellis and Houli.
(http://www.sidehustlenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/cletus__brandine.jpg)
Hey Brandine I found you those new dancin strippin shoes you asked me about.
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Possibly the worst 30 + possession game in the history of the VFL/AFL. If there was one disposal that was of any advantage to the side then I surely missed it. Him & Houli together were like stuffing slapstick comedy routine - The Dumbilical Brothers.
If Hardwick has any clue left whatsoever he'll drop him....but he doesn't, so he won't....
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Possibly the worst 30 + possession game in the history of the VFL/AFL. If there was one disposal that was of any advantage to the side then I surely missed it. Him & Houli together were like stuffing slapstick comedy routine - The Dumbilical Brothers.
If Hardwick has any clue left whatsoever he'll drop him....but he doesn't, so he won't....
He seriously needs a spell in the VFL. For someone that went untagged and got so many handball receives he never at any point hurt the opposition.
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Possibly the worst 30 + possession game in the history of the VFL/AFL. If there was one disposal that was of any advantage to the side then I surely missed it. Him & Houli together were like stuffing slapstick comedy routine - The Dumbilical Brothers.
If Hardwick has any clue left whatsoever he'll drop him....but he doesn't, so he won't....
:lol
:clapping
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So. Many. Turnovers.
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Possibly the worst 30 + possession game in the history of the VFL/AFL. If there was one disposal that was of any advantage to the side then I surely missed it. Him & Houli together were like stuffing slapstick comedy routine - The Dumbilical Brothers.
If Hardwick has any clue left whatsoever he'll drop him....but he doesn't, so he won't....
Biggest turnover merchants in the side. Great post. :thumbsup
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ELLIS IS A SPUD needs to stop mixing with the DOG ;D
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Terrific, just terrific TM
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Token putting his arm somewhere in the vicinity of where the ball may go to make it appear he is somewhat interested
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Soft, one way runner and now turning it over. This sort of guy along with Conca and co were the hope of the side at the start of the season. This was where our improvement was going to come from and Hardwick wonders what went wrong.
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Problem with our club is spuds like Grigg, Chaplin and Houli have alot of influence over the list and like a sheep baa baa baa Ellis follows and plays bruise free the way they do. :help
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Remember Martin's "worst" year was also his third....stuff me, we can't even get the second year blues right....look for Vlastuin to turn in a shocker next year.....are these players good enough to work their way out of it and shake the Tigeritis like Martin mostly has?
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Problem with our club is spuds like Grigg, Chaplin and Houli have alot of influence over the list and like a sheep baa baa baa Ellis follows and plays bruise free the way they do. :help
Excellent post. It's a joke. :clapping
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Never thought his kicking was good as people made out. Reliable kick under no pressure but get's to much loft in it. Not damaging enough
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He was a very good kick in under 18's. Could launch them just shy of Griff style. Now it's dinky crap.
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:laugh:he is our new Dan Jackson......hacker of the ball. And momentum killer....
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Seemed to have a run with role with Jack for a lot of the night. Turned a few over but worked his arse off.
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Could he turn the ball over any more in a game of football. He is not an upgrade on Grigg and that is saying something.
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Apparently he is a smokey for our B&F
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/whos-leading-your-clubs-bestandfairest-after-14-rounds/story-fni5f3kt-1226964160326
(http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/whos-leading-your-clubs-bestandfairest-after-14-rounds/story-fni5f3kt-1226964160326)
Richmond: 3 Dustin Martin 2 Trent Cotchin 1 Jack Riewoldt. Smokey: Brandon Ellis
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In their defense who else could be a smokey?
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In their defense who else could be a smokey?
Vickery - has a good smokey before the game
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In their defense who else could be a smokey?
I could.
;D
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In their defense who else could be a smokey?
I could.
;D
Alright
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Another respectable outing by Ellis and even took a nice grab running back
Have a lot of time for this bloke. Perhaps you need to widen your eyes WP.
Every club needs a Heath Shaw defender and he will be ours
If only spuds like Edwards and Conca had half his ability we might actually go somewhere
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Tell me, how did conca play today?
I refused to watch the game
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Great game from Ellis and Conca.
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How nice of them!
Round 14.
Lmao
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Edwards played well as you would expect from a downhill skier, and Conca well his usual ordinary self missing targets getting in players way and doubt he would have laid a tackle or put any pressure on opposition players
Trade
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He had a good game today but the only issue I have with the likes of Ellis is he had zero tackles. The defensive side of a number of our players is lacking.
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Edwards played well as you would expect from a downhill skier, and Conca well his usual ordinary self missing targets getting in players way and doubt he would have laid a tackle or put any pressure on opposition players
Trade
That sounds more like it.
Go Tiges!
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Edwards played well as you would expect from a downhill skier, and Conca well his usual ordinary self missing targets getting in players way and doubt he would have laid a tackle or put any pressure on opposition players
Trade
Hasn't Conca been one of the few that has tackled this season?
He had two tackles today (not zero).
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Edwards played well as you would expect from a downhill skier, and Conca well his usual ordinary self missing targets getting in players way and doubt he would have laid a tackle or put any pressure on opposition players
Trade
Hasn't Conca been one of the few that has tackled this season?
He had two tackles today (not zero).
averages about 6 a game, but don't worry angus will find something wrong with that too.
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Edwards played well as you would expect from a downhill skier, and Conca well his usual ordinary self missing targets getting in players way and doubt he would have laid a tackle or put any pressure on opposition players
Trade
Hasn't Conca been one of the few that has tackled this season?
He had two tackles today (not zero).
Conca is our leading tackler this year (69). He's also averaging 5.8 per game. Ellis has 36 tackles for the season at 2.6 per game.
http://finalsiren.com/Fixture.asp?SeasonID=2014&TeamID=8&Sort=Tackles%20Desc#player
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People who say conca ain't the problem -
He ain't an answer either.
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And we need answers.....
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People who say conca ain't the problem -
He ain't an answer either.
Well lets start getting rid of the problem first?
then we can start looking at the likes of Conca if hes still not the solution then
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Has had a pretty good month Ellis, don't think there's been a game he hasn't chalked up 30 + touches , covers more ground than a Kenyan marathoner , turning inito a nice little player just quietly :shh
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Edwards played well as you would expect from a downhill skier, and Conca well his usual ordinary self missing targets getting in players way and doubt he would have laid a tackle or put any pressure on opposition players
Trade
Watch the VFL game today? Conca played a very good game and averages 6 tackles per game. Watch the game again and pay attention to his hard ball gets, blocking, link up play, hard running yes including defensive, hanballs in close. Solid player :whistle
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I sum up Reece as follows ...is superb at wnning the ball,but is absolutely horrible in his decision making,and delivery of the pill
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Edwards played well as you would expect from a downhill skier, and Conca well his usual ordinary self missing targets getting in players way and doubt he would have laid a tackle or put any pressure on opposition players
Trade
Hasn't Conca been one of the few that has tackled this season?
He had two tackles today (not zero).
Well stuff me dead let's sign him on a 5 yr deal
I said I doubt not I know 100%
Sorry to offend you Reece but you still should be traded or you will be the next S Edwards on our list
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I sum up Reece as follows ...is superb at wnning the ball,but is absolutely horrible in his decision making,and delivery of the pill
Hit the nail on the head
Decision making is riddled with errors
YBB I'd take Ellis on 1 leg before Conca now and in 5 years when he reaches 200 games
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An Conca is a decent enough solider
Good foil for your: cotchin. Deledio. Miles. Martin. Types
I don't thi k the tackling stats lie
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Has had a pretty good month Ellis, don't think there's been a game he hasn't chalked up 30 + touches , covers more ground than a Kenyan marathoner , turning inito a nice little player just quietly :shh
Agree let's trade him while his value is high
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Another respectable outing by Ellis and even took a nice grab running back
Have a lot of time for this bloke. Perhaps you need to widen your eyes WP.
Not sure why your having a whack Angus, I hadn't made any comment.
But I Agree with you was respectable today. Very good word that respectable.
One of his better games. Didn't pull out of any contests which makes a pleasant change.
Agree with MT though too his lack of tackling is a major worry and actually not good enough. But he is one of many that has that infliction
But I don't think we can get too carried away with today's game/result or performances. Pretty average opposition and that's being kind. It's like after the GWS game, let's not get carried away. I mean Dylan Grimes kicked a goal ;D
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Another respectable outing by Ellis and even took a nice grab running back
Have a lot of time for this bloke. Perhaps you need to widen your eyes WP.
Not sure why your having a whack Angus, I hadn't made any comment.
But I Agree with you was respectable today. Very good word that respectable.
One of his better games. Didn't pull out of any contests which makes a pleasant change.
Agree with MT though too his lack of tackling is a major worry and actually not good enough. But he is one of many that has that infliction
But I don't think we can get too carried away with today's game/result or performances. Pretty average opposition and that's being kind. It's like after the GWS game, let's not get carried away. I mean Dylan Grimes kicked a goal ;D
Of all the people I thought Angus would have a crack at regarding Ellis, I thought it would be me. My hate for him surely is well known :lol
Him playing 'respectable games' against poo sides doesn't change anything in my eyes. And that goes for the lot of them.
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Cotchin said Brandon Ellis, who had 36 touches after having 35 against the Swans last week, was maturing as a footballer.
“He is starting to become one of those elite players,” he said. “His ability to run is fantastic, bit he is starting to win a bit more harder ball. He is dragging the young group through.”
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-focuses-on-tigers-win-over-his-fivegoal-bag/story-fndv8t7m-1226970034467)
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I had a crack because all I've heard is Ellis this Ellis that from WP. His a squib no courage.
I truly don't think his been that bad and people go on about that Gia goal in the dying minutes.
Big stuff. Why were we even in a position like that against a rabble like them, why did Liam Jones that unknown spud kick 5 goals. The guy has played 50 games and was left all alone with a veteran footy player with a smart brain.
Defensive side yep needs a lot if work but do 21 of his mates. Never stops trying and has got a good footy brain unlike some.
We nailed that Ellis selection in that draft just go and have a look at the guns picked after him.
Not getting carried away with today I actually think his been our best top 3-5 best players this year
As for you BT reckon you will learn to appreciate him much like me with. S Edwards
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Very disheartening the amount of times that Ellis looks sideways or backwards when he takes possession.
Lucky yesterday that on a number of occasions there was no option there and he was forced to go forward, often with great effect.
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Al in a way I don't blame Ellis for this looking sideways business.I reckon they have been trained to create play, by handballing ,thus players have been drilled to look around for the next handball.its crap football in my opinion but that's the reality I reckon
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yeah, fair point. It may be that it is drilled into them. Even when Morris went for that run though the center just before half time he was instinctively looking to go sideways. Even as he was starting his run he was looking sideways, but then realised he could go straight up the guts so he pinned the ears back and was away
I wonder if he was thinking stuff you dimma, this ones going up the campaigner.
There was also one chain of backwards handballs off half back at one stage, none of which were under any pressure, where we ended up a full kick backwards, but in no better of a position. It didn't open up the play in the slightest. Thank stuff there wasnt a couple more players behind or we may have been done for rushing a point under no pressure.
I don't have a problem with a backwards disposal if it gives a player time and space, but when that player gets the time and space, what's the point of going backwards again? more so if you haven't even had a look down field but just do so instinctively.
There is just too many times when players are hand baling when they should be kicking, particularly from just outside 50. They have become masters of the one handball to many.
Is it all down to dimmas instructions?
Are the players too dumb to work things out for themselves and simply take his instructions too far?
Is dimma not being clear enough in his instructions?
Got me stuffed, anyway. :huh3
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jury is out for me still.
ellis is another lacking in basic areas of the game. for afl players this is unforgivable.
i still dont see much difference between ellis and grigg. ellis has more skill.
ellis si supposed to be one of our better players yet we all lament the lack of chase the lack of tackling the lack footy smarts with so many poor decisions. these things are basics and ellis is poor in them so if hes supposed to be one of our better players what does it say for the rest of em.
i knoiw one thing if ellis played at fremantle he would not get a game. at fremantle lyon sets the bar in all areas, if you dont meet the standard in any are of your role you dont play.
i would realy like to know what the expectations are at richmond in this regard. and i would like to know what we do to address them. seems to me every yr the same blokes run around making the same old mistakes with no improvement in basic deficiencies.
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jury is out for me still.
ellis is another lacking in basic areas of the game. for afl players this is unforgivable.
i still dont see much difference between ellis and grigg. ellis has more skill.
ellis si supposed to be one of our better players yet we all lament the lack of chase the lack of tackling the lack footy smarts with so many poor decisions. these things are basics and ellis is poor in them so if hes supposed to be one of our better players what does it say for the rest of em.
i knoiw one thing if ellis played at fremantle he would not get a game. at fremantle lyon sets the bar in all areas, if you dont meet the standard in any are of your role you dont play.
i would realy like to know what the expectations are at richmond in this regard. and i would like to know what we do to address them. seems to me every yr the same blokes run around making the same old mistakes with no improvement in basic deficiencies.
jury is out on ellis but yet your happy with the likes of A Edwards occupying a spot on the list because he fills some role
wake up and smell the coffee mate, Ellis will be a good player for our club. He has played 50 games and would take him in a heartbeat over Conca or most other names you throw up on our current list as would most other clubs.
Just on Fremantle. Dawson is averaging 1 tackle a game. Obviously tackling is an area of Lyon's game plan then.
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jury is out on ellis but yet your happy with the likes of A Edwards occupying a spot on the list because he fills some role
wake up and smell the coffee mate, Ellis will be a good player for our club. He has played 50 games and would take him in a heartbeat over Conca or most other names you throw up on our current list as would most other clubs.
Just on Fremantle. Dawson is averaging 1 tackle a game. Obviously tackling is an area of Lyon's game plan then.
FWIW I'd take Cocna over Ellis in a heartbeat. Why? Because I have never seen Conca pull out of a contest. Seen him improve his tackling. From where he averaged 1 a game to just on 6 a game in 2014. Ellis has gone form averaging 1 a game to 2.5 this year, sorry not good enough. Yes Conca is in the ball butchering class of 2014 but Ellis isn't because his 30 odd touches are usually predominantly short dinky kicks. We don't accept this sort of stuff from Grigg why should we say it's OK from Ellis?
Though I suppose that seeing our captain thinks the quantity is what's important with this bloke then I should too :huh
And FWIW the reason I keep bringing up the Gia goal from round 3 is because his refusal to attack a contest cost us a game - you know when the season was still alive? It was the moment that resulted in the opposition scoring the winning goal. For a bloke that is touted as a future leader it was unacceptable
I agree with Claw; Ellis would not get a game at Freo and I don't think he get a game at Sydney, Hawthorn or Port Adelaide
Will say it again his game yesterday was respectable but let's not get carried away. It was against mediocre opposition. Let's see if he backs up next week and more importantly in a fortnight against the best team in the comp at the moment
Too many of our players beat up on the crap sides but fail to show much against decent opposition
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jury is out on ellis but yet your happy with the likes of A Edwards occupying a spot on the list because he fills some role
wake up and smell the coffee mate, Ellis will be a good player for our club. He has played 50 games and would take him in a heartbeat over Conca or most other names you throw up on our current list as would most other clubs.
Just on Fremantle. Dawson is averaging 1 tackle a game. Obviously tackling is an area of Lyon's game plan then.
And FWIW the reason I keep bringing up the Gia goal from round 3 is because his refusal to attack a contest cost us a game - you know when the season was still alive? It was the moment that resulted in the opposition scoring the winning goal. For a bloke that is touted as a future leader it was unacceptable
the season was done and dusted after the elimination final last year. They thought after that day they would stroll into another finals series.
so that's it then 120 minutes of football, ellis was left one on on against an experienced player in Gia and lost out its all his fault.
lets not mention the fact yet another "potential" emerging star in Liam Jones was allowed to have his best day of his career against us, or they they were up by 8 goals or whatever it was at half time. Nope, nothing to do with that.
Nothing to do with yesterday performance, as i have thought this for a while about him, but Ellis is a very good player and will only get better.
Once he works on his defensive game, ala heath Shaw he will turn into a very handy player and if you think he wouldn't get a game ahead of dawson then your dreaming. . Lyon gets the best out of all his players. Have a look at some of the duds he coached at stkilda. Ellis is a far better prospect than some of them.
Surely your taking the p i s s putting grigg and ellis in the same sentence. Il let that one go as a slip of the keyboard.
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Please gentlemen....Grigg is in a league of his own,you cant compare him with anyone.
Ellis has aspects to his game that are very worrying,but I think we need to give him time to see if he can work on them.
In Concas case his decision making is diabolical..Really starting to worry whether he can improve this area.Hope he can because his ball winning ability is second to none .
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Conca is a soccer player.
Did he play soccer as a kid?
stuffn looks like one out there
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36 possies and most of his kicks were poo. So what if you have 36 if you can't kick it
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the season was done and dusted after the elimination final last year. They thought after that day they would stroll into another finals series.
so that's it then 120 minutes of football, ellis was left one on on against an experienced player in Gia and lost out its all his fault.
lets not mention the fact yet another "potential" emerging star in Liam Jones was allowed to have his best day of his career against us, or they they were up by 8 goals or whatever it was at half time. Nope, nothing to do with that.
Nothing to do with yesterday performance, as i have thought this for a while about him, but Ellis is a very good player and will only get better.
Once he works on his defensive game, ala heath Shaw he will turn into a very handy player and if you think he wouldn't get a game ahead of dawson then your dreaming. . Lyon gets the best out of all his players. Have a look at some of the duds he coached at stkilda. Ellis is a far better prospect than some of them.
Surely your taking the p i s s putting grigg and ellis in the same sentence. Il let that one go as a slip of the keyboard.
I am not the nee who said during pre-season he had taken the next step, was showing real leadership etc That's what the club said and sorry he hasn't delivered.
I am serious about the Grigg comparison. That is how he plays when he refuses to attack contests. He stands back, he corales, he doesn't run hard defensively which is how Grigg plays. Let's hope he gets over it because it would be a waste.
As for the Bulldogs game, yes the loss was a collective effort but sugar coat it anyway you want but the fact remains he yet again didn't attack a contest, he stood back, allowed Gia first use of the ball and waited and the result of it was they scored a goal. All he had to do was make a contest, tahrs it he didn't. If any other player that you don't like eg Edwards S or Houli had done the same thing you'd be baying for their head. Apply the same rules to all players.
And no Ellis wouldn't get a game ahead of Dawson simply because they don't play the same roles/positions. Would Elois get a game ahead of Barlow, Fyfe, Hill, Mzungu, Pearce D, Pearce C, Suban, to name a few mids at FReo? Answer is no.
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I understand everyone's criticism of Ellis and not going to deny any of it but I'm not ready to write him off yet. At pick 15 in an uncompromised draft he would have gone to a top 4 side and looked like a superstar racking up a heap of touches on the outside and winning a little inside and many would be carrying on how another slipped through the cracks of the top 10. He's starting to get a lot of football, granted a lot uncontested, but you would hope that over time his decision making and execution will improve. If he's no better by the end of next season then sure. Otherwise might turn out a little like Chris Masten at the Eagles in regards to being a whipping boy for years before it finally clicked and became a decent cog in the midfield. One of the things really going for Ellis I think is his overhead and contested marking which is probably better than a lot of the players in his position.
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I think the kid will be considered an elite midfielder in the next couple of years. His running capabilities and footskills are sublime at times (anyone see his left foot kick to Jack in the first quarter). I think he's also far braver than he's being credited for. Sure he's backed out of a couple of contests but he's still a kid and these deficiencies are still being ironed out of his game. He has a far greater upside to Grigg who plays the same role. :shh
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With the amount of average player in the mid 20s and late 20s plus groups of the list - given elllis age and potential to get better he is not worth looking at as a problem for a few season at least
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Haven't written him off completely but for the jury is still out sadly in a big way. I'll praise him when it's warranted but question when he puts out sub standard efforts that leaves me doing this :huh3 or this :banghead just like we all do with other players
I suppose more than anything I've been frustrated with his progress, they (club) talked him up this year and as I said based on pre-season talk he hasn't delivered IMHO.
Said it somewhere in this thread a few pages back. His greatest strength is his long kicking, why he kicks short as much as he does is staggering.
I read the comments about his backing out of contests, some people say he doesn't do it too much but when certain players do it once they are crucified. For me I'll give a kid a season to get it out of their game. This is his 3rd and it hasn't got any better which is much an indictment on our coaches as it is on the player.
Just my take
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Willy P, he has been frustrating no doubt but I blame the club putting wraps on him when he's perhaps not ready.
He's 20 years old. We have SO many other targets. ;D
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Averages more than 25 possies at 72% , could increase his contested rate however he can still be a damaging outside player which we need ....on his way to becoming a very good footballer! all bloated opinion aside :shh
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Willy P, he has been frustrating no doubt but I blame the club putting wraps on him when he's perhaps not ready.
He's 20 years old. We have SO many other targets. ;D
That's why I said about the backing out of contests this
I read the comments about his backing out of contests, some people say he doesn't do it too much but when certain players do it once they are crucified. For me I'll give a kid a season to get it out of their game. This is his 3rd and it hasn't got any better which is much an indictment on our coaches as it is on the player.
Coaches should have put him back to the VFL to teach him it wasn't acceptable. But no what have we done? Gifted games for the last 2.5 seasons, made him the face is this years membership campaign and had him take over the kids membership thing. That's basically telling him "it's OK, all good"
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jury is out for me still.
ellis is another lacking in basic areas of the game. for afl players this is unforgivable.
i still dont see much difference between ellis and grigg. ellis has more skill.
ellis si supposed to be one of our better players yet we all lament the lack of chase the lack of tackling the lack footy smarts with so many poor decisions. these things are basics and ellis is poor in them so if hes supposed to be one of our better players what does it say for the rest of em.
i knoiw one thing if ellis played at fremantle he would not get a game. at fremantle lyon sets the bar in all areas, if you dont meet the standard in any are of your role you dont play.
i would realy like to know what the expectations are at richmond in this regard. and i would like to know what we do to address them. seems to me every yr the same blokes run around making the same old mistakes with no improvement in basic deficiencies.
jury is out on ellis but yet your happy with the likes of A Edwards occupying a spot on the list because he fills some role
wake up and smell the coffee mate, Ellis will be a good player for our club. He has played 50 games and would take him in a heartbeat over Conca or most other names you throw up on our current list as would most other clubs.
Just on Fremantle. Dawson is averaging 1 tackle a game. Obviously tackling is an area of Lyon's game plan then.
sheesh for someone who portrays himself as a knowledgable footy person i dont know if ive ever seen such tunnel vision.
smelling coffee or roses has nothing to do with it. applying some plain old common sense does. seems this comodity is greatly lacking around here at times.
zac dawson gets a game every week for one simple reason. as unfashionable as he looks he does the job asked of him week in week out and that is stop a tall opponent.
dont think ellis has been written off by too many. but people have every right to expect players to be reasonably well rounded and perform well, basics of the game. if they dont or until they do id say criticism is warranted.
are you suggesting ellis does not deserve criticism, or doesnt have areas he must significantly improve to become a well rounded player. if so that would be unbelievable. if not what are you carrying on about.
on edwards when we actually discover a player capable of performing the role edwards does yet alone play anywhere close to afl standard then for sure play em. outside of riewoldt i would still argue edwards is the second best fwd option we have, that must tell you something about how poorly i rate the rest of our permanent fwds. if we had a jack gunston type for sure get em in and play em trouble is we dont.
id say angus instead of issuing advice out to others you take some of your own advice get a reality check and get your head out of that dark tunnell.
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jury is out for me still.
ellis is another lacking in basic areas of the game. for afl players this is unforgivable.
i still dont see much difference between ellis and grigg. ellis has more skill.
ellis si supposed to be one of our better players yet we all lament the lack of chase the lack of tackling the lack footy smarts with so many poor decisions. these things are basics and ellis is poor in them so if hes supposed to be one of our better players what does it say for the rest of em.
i knoiw one thing if ellis played at fremantle he would not get a game. at fremantle lyon sets the bar in all areas, if you dont meet the standard in any are of your role you dont play.
i would realy like to know what the expectations are at richmond in this regard. and i would like to know what we do to address them. seems to me every yr the same blokes run around making the same old mistakes with no improvement in basic deficiencies.
jury is out on ellis but yet your happy with the likes of A Edwards occupying a spot on the list because he fills some role
wake up and smell the coffee mate, Ellis will be a good player for our club. He has played 50 games and would take him in a heartbeat over Conca or most other names you throw up on our current list as would most other clubs.
Just on Fremantle. Dawson is averaging 1 tackle a game. Obviously tackling is an area of Lyon's game plan then.
sheesh for someone who portrays himself as a knowledgable footy person i dont know if ive ever seen such tunnel vision.
smelling coffee or roses has nothing to do with it. applying some plain old common sense does. seems this comodity is greatly lacking around here at times.
zac dawson gets a game every week for one simple reason. as unfashionable as he looks he does the job asked of him week in week out and that is stop a tall opponent.
dont think ellis has been written off by too many. but people have every right to expect players to be reasonably well rounded and perform well, basics of the game. if they dont or until they do id say criticism is warranted.
are you suggesting ellis does not deserve criticism, or doesnt have areas he must significantly improve to become a well rounded player. if so that would be unbelievable. if not what are you carrying on about.
on edwards when we actually discover a player capable of performing the role edwards does yet alone play anywhere close to afl standard then for sure play em. outside of riewoldt i would still argue edwards is the second best fwd option we have, that must tell you something about how poorly i rate the rest of our permanent fwds. if we had a jack gunston type for sure get em in and play em trouble is we dont.
id say angus instead of issuing advice out to others you take some of your own advice get a reality check and get your head out of that dark tunnell.
ooh dear. I would think most people on here don't think A Edwards is the best option we have at the minute.
He is 30 years old what good is he ahead of say an Elton or Mcbean. Il tell you something mate i know i would rather see Elton or Mcbean given a go ahead of that bloke any day of the week, now or 12 months ago when we recruited him. In fact i would rather Pettifer ahead of him if you want the truth.
Not that he is a terrible footballer but having him on our list serves no purpose whatsoever. He was simply a wrong selection because once again the RFC over analysed the list and thought we were headed for premiership glory. Some may argue that Mcbean wasn't ready last year but most people said that about Joe D. So what, give them games and see what they have to offer. Edwards, Newman and those types are not the future so get rid of them.
Griffiths ahead of A Edwards, you cant be serious. Griffiths is our future be it on the field to see what his got, or at the trade table and Edwards is no more than a used condom that no one wants. Same goes for Chris Knights. We couldn't develop Matty White then went ahead let him walk and then recruited Knights from ADL with virtually the same money. A slow version of Shaun Higgins. Incredible!
As for Ellis what more do you want from a 50 gamer. He has areas he needs to work on(show me where i said he doesn't) but what i see each week when i go the footy is a good young player who will become one of our best players. He never stops running and in fact i would say outside the top echelon he is our next best. Look at Cotch with his 15 metre kicks and tell me what's his decision making like then.
Facts are the list is shot and we are mentally shot as an organisation and have no answers to the cancer that has riddled the club for 30 years.
Fix the culture, get rid of these second rate coaches and replace them with ruthless competitors (i.e Balme, Ling ), and we may start to rid the club of the disease.
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jury is out for me still.
ellis is another lacking in basic areas of the game. for afl players this is unforgivable.
i still dont see much difference between ellis and grigg. ellis has more skill.
ellis si supposed to be one of our better players yet we all lament the lack of chase the lack of tackling the lack footy smarts with so many poor decisions. these things are basics and ellis is poor in them so if hes supposed to be one of our better players what does it say for the rest of em.
i knoiw one thing if ellis played at fremantle he would not get a game. at fremantle lyon sets the bar in all areas, if you dont meet the standard in any are of your role you dont play.
i would realy like to know what the expectations are at richmond in this regard. and i would like to know what we do to address them. seems to me every yr the same blokes run around making the same old mistakes with no improvement in basic deficiencies.
jury is out on ellis but yet your happy with the likes of A Edwards occupying a spot on the list because he fills some role
wake up and smell the coffee mate, Ellis will be a good player for our club. He has played 50 games and would take him in a heartbeat over Conca or most other names you throw up on our current list as would most other clubs.
Just on Fremantle. Dawson is averaging 1 tackle a game. Obviously tackling is an area of Lyon's game plan then.
sheesh for someone who portrays himself as a knowledgable footy person i dont know if ive ever seen such tunnel vision.
smelling coffee or roses has nothing to do with it. applying some plain old common sense does. seems this comodity is greatly lacking around here at times.
zac dawson gets a game every week for one simple reason. as unfashionable as he looks he does the job asked of him week in week out and that is stop a tall opponent.
dont think ellis has been written off by too many. but people have every right to expect players to be reasonably well rounded and perform well, basics of the game. if they dont or until they do id say criticism is warranted.
are you suggesting ellis does not deserve criticism, or doesnt have areas he must significantly improve to become a well rounded player. if so that would be unbelievable. if not what are you carrying on about.
on edwards when we actually discover a player capable of performing the role edwards does yet alone play anywhere close to afl standard then for sure play em. outside of riewoldt i would still argue edwards is the second best fwd option we have, that must tell you something about how poorly i rate the rest of our permanent fwds. if we had a jack gunston type for sure get em in and play em trouble is we dont.
id say angus instead of issuing advice out to others you take some of your own advice get a reality check and get your head out of that dark tunnell.
O'Hanlon is our Jack Gunston type. Give him a sustained go in the team. His body is ready. He just needs someone to show some confidence in him.
If we had drafted Jack Gunston, I'm sure that he would be wallowing in the the magoos right now too!
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jury is out for me still.
ellis is another lacking in basic areas of the game. for afl players this is unforgivable.
i still dont see much difference between ellis and grigg. ellis has more skill.
ellis si supposed to be one of our better players yet we all lament the lack of chase the lack of tackling the lack footy smarts with so many poor decisions. these things are basics and ellis is poor in them so if hes supposed to be one of our better players what does it say for the rest of em.
i knoiw one thing if ellis played at fremantle he would not get a game. at fremantle lyon sets the bar in all areas, if you dont meet the standard in any are of your role you dont play.
i would realy like to know what the expectations are at richmond in this regard. and i would like to know what we do to address them. seems to me every yr the same blokes run around making the same old mistakes with no improvement in basic deficiencies.
jury is out on ellis but yet your happy with the likes of A Edwards occupying a spot on the list because he fills some role
wake up and smell the coffee mate, Ellis will be a good player for our club. He has played 50 games and would take him in a heartbeat over Conca or most other names you throw up on our current list as would most other clubs.
Just on Fremantle. Dawson is averaging 1 tackle a game. Obviously tackling is an area of Lyon's game plan then.
sheesh for someone who portrays himself as a knowledgable footy person i dont know if ive ever seen such tunnel vision.
smelling coffee or roses has nothing to do with it. applying some plain old common sense does. seems this comodity is greatly lacking around here at times.
zac dawson gets a game every week for one simple reason. as unfashionable as he looks he does the job asked of him week in week out and that is stop a tall opponent.
dont think ellis has been written off by too many. but people have every right to expect players to be reasonably well rounded and perform well, basics of the game. if they dont or until they do id say criticism is warranted.
are you suggesting ellis does not deserve criticism, or doesnt have areas he must significantly improve to become a well rounded player. if so that would be unbelievable. if not what are you carrying on about.
on edwards when we actually discover a player capable of performing the role edwards does yet alone play anywhere close to afl standard then for sure play em. outside of riewoldt i would still argue edwards is the second best fwd option we have, that must tell you something about how poorly i rate the rest of our permanent fwds. if we had a jack gunston type for sure get em in and play em trouble is we dont.
id say angus instead of issuing advice out to others you take some of your own advice get a reality check and get your head out of that dark tunnell.
O'Hanlon is our Jack Gunston type. Give him a sustained go in the team. His body is ready. He just needs someone to show some confidence in him.
If we had drafted Jack Gunston, I'm sure that he would be wallowing in the the magoos right now too!
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Not even close that comparison - but I do agree we need to give O'Hanlon a run - personally I reckon he's not good enough for senior AFL football but nevertheless Id love the club to give him 4-5 games to see what hes got
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Helbig?
Donuts?
Lennon?
McBean?
How do you know. What you got if you don't have a look. Or let's go with McGaune a edwards king Newman Thomas white and go for 9th
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i can live with giving ohanlon a game in front of a edwards. similar type and your right its time to see if this lad can play or not.
ohanlon is the only similar type to edwards that we have unless we play ricky petterd in his original role as a fwd.
im all fro getting games into elton and even bringing griffiths back for a final shot at saving his career even though i think hes not good enough.
the difference between me and others is how i rate edwards as far as type goes.
most on here compare him to kpps where as i think of him as a medium sized player who can take a mark and play tall. when i said i think hes the second best performed fwd we have i meant it.
do i think edwrds a part of the future hell no. do i think all clubs have a need to play some mature bit players of course.and finally i do think edwards an astute choice almost as an afterthought. of course.why because he was the only medium sized fwd we have had who has been capable of making some sort of contribution. unlike angus i have no problem with taking short term fixes just as long as we take our share of kids as well.aron edwards actually met a need. he cost zilch, hes not on big money and hes one of only two of his type on the list. he is easily a better performed player than ohanlon who has done absolutely nothing to date to warrant a game. the real need is is to go out and recruit a player or two of this type.
ive basically written vickery off. i am almost to the point where i believe griffiths has no future just not good enough, i dont place em in the same type of player category as edwards. so i dont agree with dropping edwards for elton or mcbean different type of player. i would agree with dropping vickery for one of them or playing them in front of griffiths..as i said i would be happy with where we are at giving ohanlon a game in front of edwrds. who knows eh.
. seems to me people think it better to play a 18 - 24yo dud in front of a better performed a 30 yr old who at least gives something.
for the last 30 yrs ive seen us and our supporters lurch from play the kids and nothing but kids, to bloody hell we need to play experienced players while what kids we have develop.
im sick to death of it. if we want to learn from the better sides they find a good balance between the two as we must. it is folly to totally ignore what good mature players can bring to our club.
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Another respectable outing by Ellis and even took a nice grab running back
Have a lot of time for this bloke. Perhaps you need to widen your eyes WP.
Every club needs a Heath Shaw defender and he will be ours
Yep they do but unlike Ellis he actually defends and doesn't shirk it
Think Grigg comparison to Ellis isn't fair considering Grigg actually averages more tackles, contested possessions, clearances and, believe it or not, contested marks. Ellis is the better player but he is even more outside than Grigg the squib is.
Same goes for Chris Knights. We couldn't develop Matty White then went ahead let him walk and then recruited Knights from ADL with virtually the same money. A slow version of Shaun Higgins. Incredible!
We had Knights before we let White go :wallywink
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Fair enough Claw you made some valid points. I think this whole forum is unanimous that we would rather youth ahead of these same old same faces. It's a shame the club just can't see it.
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Ellis was interviewed on K-Rock post-Saturday's win ...
AUDIO: http://www.krockfootball.com.au/round-15-post-match-interview-st-kilda-vs-richmond-saturday-june-28/
Ellis - "Last year, I was finding that I was cramping halfway through the third quarter and the start of the last, but to be able finish off games, I think that’s been very beneficial for me in the last month. The boys respect me a lot more now and I feel a lot more comfortable out there. It takes a couple of years to get that respect."
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... Ellis has averaged 27.6 per match in his past 11 games, and would surely be figuring prominently in the Tigers’ Best and Fairest count at this stage.
“I think he’s had a pretty consistent year,” said Richmond’s coach Damien Hardwick.
“He’s a guy that’s got enormous work-rate, and he started to find that he can actually run players into the ground.
“His tank is enormous, he’s found what works for him . . . it’s really one of his weapons that he can actually use.
“He’s watched a lot of tape of some players that work in a similar manner, so he’s starting to get into his footy, which is great.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-30/ellis-keeps-on-running
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The mere fact you even try and validate your point with Griggs statistics proves you have NFI.
Grigg should not be compared with anyone on our list in any way shape or form, apart from his former mate. He is the third worst footballer I've seen in 30 yrs.
I said every club needs one and he will be ours didn't say he was now.
Ellis doesn't squib as much as what's made out. FFS I see Houli do it a lot more than Ellis, and how many games he played and how many Shaw?
Maybe you would prefer a Morris who doesn't squib but goes to ground at every second contest. He is young and will develop to be one of our better players.
Sorry my bad re: knights. All good just replace him with Hampson and Thomas then
Same same pal. Apology accepted
Bang!
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As for the Bulldogs game, yes the loss was a collective effort but sugar coat it anyway you want but the fact remains he yet again didn't attack a contest, he stood back, allowed Gia first use of the ball and waited and the result of it was they scored a goal. All he had to do was make a contest, tahrs it he didn't. If any other player that you don't like eg Edwards S or Houli had done the same thing you'd be baying for their head. Apply the same rules to all players.
I just rewatched that and have to say I think you're being unfair on Ellis. Looks like he tried to attack the contest but got an unfair bounce and Gia was smart enough to just knock it on instead of taking possession. The real culprit was one of our supposed faster players and the superstar himself Chris Newman not being able to keep up with Stewart Crameri who plays as a KPF :banghead
The mere fact you even try and validate your point with Griggs statistics proves you have NFI.
Grigg should not be compared with anyone on our list in any way shape or form, apart from his former mate. He is the third worst footballer I've seen in 30 yrs.
I said every club needs one and he will be ours didn't say he was now.
Ellis doesn't squib as much as what's made out. FFS I see Houli do it a lot more than Ellis, and how many games he played and how many Shaw?
Maybe you would prefer a Morris who doesn't squib but goes to ground at every second contest. He is young and will develop to be one of our better players.
Sorry my bad re: knights. All good just replace him with Hampson and Thomas then
Same same pal. Apology accepted
Bang!
This was such a nothing reply I don't think I'll bother even trying to make sense of it and thinking of a rebuttal because I'm sure whatever point I think you meant I'm sure you'll say I was wrong to further enhance your superior football knowledge.
As you would say...
BANG!
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You wrote 4 lines dear what do you want a thesis. If you want a detailed reply you have the wrong bloke, my posts are short sharp, accurate and of high quality :thumbsup
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I would just like to say that Grigg is an under appreciated footballer
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If he can run hard enough to get 30 possessions a game he should be able to throw in a couple of tackles as well
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The mere fact you even try and validate your point with Griggs statistics proves you have NFI.
Grigg should not be compared with anyone on our list in any way shape or form, apart from his former mate. He is the third worst footballer I've seen in 30 yrs.
I said every club needs one and he will be ours didn't say he was now.
Ellis doesn't squib as much as what's made out. FFS I see Houli do it a lot more than Ellis, and how many games he played and how many Shaw?
Maybe you would prefer a Morris who doesn't squib but goes to ground at every second contest. He is young and will develop to be one of our better players.
Sorry my bad re: knights. All good just replace him with Hampson and Thomas then
Same same pal. Apology accepted
Bang!
griggs run and spread is very good. i dont think anyone can fault him in that area.
grigg and ellis are compared because they play similar ways they can certainly be compared with their defense which quite frankly is not good enough.they both accumulate lots of ball and they both use it poorly too often imo.
angus im not here to get into slanging matches with people. im just pointing out what i and many others see as short comings in ellis game. if i thought he was a dud id be yelling out long and loud delist the dud.
i would like the club to firstly find a real quick highly skilled line breaker to replace grigg. so i see much more in ellis most people do.
basically all im saying is ellis must round his game out or he too will be put in the exact same gun as grigg for the exact same reasons.
i reckon if grigg can cop it in the neck for his shortcomings ellis can cop it too for similar shortcomings.
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Ellis was interviewed on K-Rock post-Saturday's win ...
AUDIO: http://www.krockfootball.com.au/round-15-post-match-interview-st-kilda-vs-richmond-saturday-june-28/
Ellis - "Last year, I was finding that I was cramping halfway through the third quarter and the start of the last, but to be able finish off games, I think that’s been very beneficial for me in the last month. The boys respect me a lot more now and I feel a lot more comfortable out there. It takes a couple of years to get that respect."
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... Ellis has averaged 27.6 per match in his past 11 games, and would surely be figuring prominently in the Tigers’ Best and Fairest count at this stage.
“I think he’s had a pretty consistent year,” said Richmond’s coach Damien Hardwick.
“He’s a guy that’s got enormous work-rate, and he started to find that he can actually run players into the ground.
“His tank is enormous, he’s found what works for him . . . it’s really one of his weapons that he can actually use.
“He’s watched a lot of tape of some players that work in a similar manner, so he’s starting to get into his footy, which is great.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-30/ellis-keeps-on-running
completeky delusional comments from Ellis he gas been terrible thus year
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Apparently he is a smokey for our B&F
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FFS He is 20 years old, this is his 3rd season, cut the guy some slack, I think he is doing pretty well.
Do you expect all players to be superstars from day one? Honestly show me the player who has consistently been a gun only playing for 2.5 yrs.
Brandon is doing great, stop whining you bunch of morons and support our young up and coming players
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FFS He is 20 years old, this is his 3rd season, cut the guy some slack, I think he is doing pretty well.
Do you expect all players to be superstars from day one? Honestly show me the player who has consistently been a gun only playing for 2.5 yrs.
Brandon is doing great, stop whining you bunch of morons and support our young up and coming players
Definitely dont over expect from youngsters and always willing to give them time.
The alledged issue with Brandon though is that he is soft, unfortunately that is a mindset that is extremely difficult to retract from a player, item one Grigg , item 2 Houli
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Ellis was interviewed on K-Rock post-Saturday's win ...
AUDIO: http://www.krockfootball.com.au/round-15-post-match-interview-st-kilda-vs-richmond-saturday-june-28/
Ellis - "Last year, I was finding that I was cramping halfway through the third quarter and the start of the last, but to be able finish off games, I think that’s been very beneficial for me in the last month. The boys respect me a lot more now and I feel a lot more comfortable out there. It takes a couple of years to get that respect."
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... Ellis has averaged 27.6 per match in his past 11 games, and would surely be figuring prominently in the Tigers’ Best and Fairest count at this stage.
“I think he’s had a pretty consistent year,” said Richmond’s coach Damien Hardwick.
“He’s a guy that’s got enormous work-rate, and he started to find that he can actually run players into the ground.
“His tank is enormous, he’s found what works for him . . . it’s really one of his weapons that he can actually use.
“He’s watched a lot of tape of some players that work in a similar manner, so he’s starting to get into his footy, which is great.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-30/ellis-keeps-on-running
completeky delusional comments from Ellis he gas been terrible thus year
Mrakov did you buy Bents Samsung tablet? ;D
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Ellis was interviewed on K-Rock post-Saturday's win ...
AUDIO: http://www.krockfootball.com.au/round-15-post-match-interview-st-kilda-vs-richmond-saturday-june-28/
Ellis - "Last year, I was finding that I was cramping halfway through the third quarter and the start of the last, but to be able finish off games, I think that’s been very beneficial for me in the last month. The boys respect me a lot more now and I feel a lot more comfortable out there. It takes a couple of years to get that respect."
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... Ellis has averaged 27.6 per match in his past 11 games, and would surely be figuring prominently in the Tigers’ Best and Fairest count at this stage.
“I think he’s had a pretty consistent year,” said Richmond’s coach Damien Hardwick.
“He’s a guy that’s got enormous work-rate, and he started to find that he can actually run players into the ground.
“His tank is enormous, he’s found what works for him . . . it’s really one of his weapons that he can actually use.
“He’s watched a lot of tape of some players that work in a similar manner, so he’s starting to get into his footy, which is great.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-30/ellis-keeps-on-running
completeky delusional comments from Ellis he gas been terrible thus year
Mrakov did you buy Bents Samsung tablet? ;D
;D
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........my posts are short sharp, accurate and of high quality
Add humble to that list Dan? ;D
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He is soft and favors dinky little sideways and backwards kicks and handballs. Considering he is one of the main ball receivers, he is a huge liability just like Cotchin has been. He has taken over Grigg's role, and the net gain has been negative for the RFC because we gave up a first round draft pick for status quo.
If he kicked the ball long and hit targets, broke lines a bit and went in hard, he would be a good player.
Probably another victim of Hardwick's coaching.
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You wrote 4 lines dear what do you want a thesis. If you want a detailed reply you have the wrong bloke, my posts are short sharp, accurate and of high quality :thumbsup
Not in this thread they aren't. :lol
Perfect word for your mate Ellis is 'INSIPID'
Really surprised you like a bloke that if he was a colour he would be beige.
And going off his interview after the game on Saturday, he is as dumb as a box of hammers, just to round it off.
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You wrote 4 lines dear what do you want a thesis. If you want a detailed reply you have the wrong bloke, my posts are short sharp, accurate and of high quality :thumbsup
Short and sharp is of no issue to me, it's that fact they are not accurate and definitely not high quality. Just highly opinionated poo
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You wrote 4 lines dear what do you want a thesis. If you want a detailed reply you have the wrong bloke, my posts are short sharp, accurate and of high quality :thumbsup
Short and sharp is of no issue to me, it's that fact they are not accurate and definitely not high quality. Just highly opinionated poo
You have just covered off 99% of posters on this site
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You wrote 4 lines dear what do you want a thesis. If you want a detailed reply you have the wrong bloke, my posts are short sharp, accurate and of high quality :thumbsup
Short and sharp is of no issue to me, it's that fact they are not accurate and definitely not high quality. Just highly opinionated poo
You have just covered 99% of my posts.
e.f.a
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You wrote 4 lines dear what do you want a thesis. If you want a detailed reply you have the wrong bloke, my posts are short sharp, accurate and of high quality :thumbsup
Short and sharp is of no issue to me, it's that fact they are not accurate and definitely not high quality. Just highly opinionated poo
You have just covered off 99.9% of my posts.
EFA
EFFA
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Thought he was v good on the weekend. Was much more direct with his kicking and ran hard. Has things to work on but tracking pretty well for a 20 yo.
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Apparently he's the coaches pet :whistle
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Apparently he's the coaches pet :whistle
Apparently, you've taken a tongue 'n' check comment from SEN's "fast five" that they did with Ricky Petterd just before 8am and tried to create something out of nothing ::)
Notice you haven't posted anything about Brett Deledio being the "tightest teammate" or Dusty having the best tatts etc
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Apparently he's the coaches pet :whistle
Apparently, you've taken a tongue 'n' check comment from SEN's "fast five" that they did with Ricky Petterd just before 8am and tried to create something out of nothing ::)
Notice you haven't posted anything about Brett Deledio being the "tightest teammate" or Dusty having the best tatts etc
Crying again are we?
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Apparently he's the coaches pet :whistle
Apparently, you've taken a tongue 'n' check comment from SEN's "fast five" that they did with Ricky Petterd just before 8am and tried to create something out of nothing ::)
Notice you haven't posted anything about Brett Deledio being the "tightest teammate" or Dusty having the best tatts etc
Crying again are we?
Not at all but it would appear you are trying create a negative out of nothinh (some would call it trolling again)
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Apparently he's the coaches pet :whistle
Apparently, you've taken a tongue 'n' check comment from SEN's "fast five" that they did with Ricky Petterd just before 8am and tried to create something out of nothing ::)
Notice you haven't posted anything about Brett Deledio being the "tightest teammate" or Dusty having the best tatts etc
Crying again are we?
Not at all but it would appear you are trying create a negative out of nothinh (some would call it trolling again)
not at all. Ellis is the coaches pet meaning he doesn't ever get any criticism from Dimma. That must be why he's allowed to turn the ball over week in week out. Protected species
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Didn't he get singled out after round 1 then had a very good game v Carlton?
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Didn't he get singled out after round 1 then had a very good game v Carlton?
Yep Ellis & Conca got a rap over the knuckles from Dimma after round 1
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Ellis excels
richmondfc.com.au
July 21, 2014
After a relatively slow start to the season, talented, hard-running young Richmond midfielder Brandon Ellis has cranked his motor up and is now firing on all cylinders.
Ellis failed to reach the 20-disposal mark in any of the opening three matches this season, but has picked up 20-plus in each of the 13 games since. On nine of those occasions, he’s racked up 25 disposals or more. And, to further highlight the impact he’s been having, Ellis has collected 29 disposals or more in each of the past five rounds.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-21/ellis-excels
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If he can add some mongrel toughness to his game he will be a beauty.
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So it's all about quantity not quality at the Tigers I take it?
Seems to be....as is applies to so many, too many
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WP, it isn't just his possession count that has improved in the past few weeks. His attack on the pill has also improved.
At 20, in his 3rd year I'd say he is now back on track after a slow start.
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WP, it isn't just his possession count that has improved in the past few weeks. His attack on the pill has also improved.
At 20, in his 3rd year I'd say he is now back on track after a slow start.
Not disputing that. There' been improvement especially last game; was rapt to see him only pull out of one contest rather than multiple ones. but still think his numbers like many others are a tad flattering. Short dinky kicks are not great in quality
Also, just get sick of the club talking up numbers. Have plenty of blokes who get it plenty of times but the possessions mean very little. See exhibit A - S Grigg he averages 25-30 possessions a game but they rarely mean anything ;D
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Also, just get sick of the club talking up numbers. Have plenty of blokes who get it plenty of times but the possessions mean very little. See exhibit A - S Grigg he averages 25-30 possessions a game but they rarely mean anything ;D
The Griggster has his place in the scheme of things
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Also, just get sick of the club talking up numbers. Have plenty of blokes who get it plenty of times but the possessions mean very little. See exhibit A - S Grigg he averages 25-30 possessions a game but they rarely mean anything ;D
The Griggster has his place in the scheme of things
Agree, its at VFL level
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Also, just get sick of the club talking up numbers. Have plenty of blokes who get it plenty of times but the possessions mean very little. See exhibit A - S Grigg he averages 25-30 possessions a game but they rarely mean anything ;D
The Griggster has his place in the scheme of things
Agree, its at VFL level
At any club apart from ours
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With someone with a "massive tank" he does not work hard enough defensively. Is he trying to hard to rack up possies and not bothering defensively?
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With someone with a "massive tank" he does not work hard enough defensively. Is he trying to hard to rack up possies and not bothering defensively?
He's 20 years old and in his 3rd year. Give him another year or two. I'm kinda optimistic that if he can finish the year strongly and get another huge pre season he might have the attitude and capacity to fix that going into 2015.
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hmm a small. with a good run at it should click within the first two or three seasons. this he has done. over the following two yrs or maybe 3 yrs is where most of the rest of his improvement should come.. after that id suggest upside is minimal for a sml. this hes done he has clicked, he has some upside, but i ask what does he bring to the table that will suggest he can become a very good player or even A grader.
to cut it short ATM i dont see a hell of a lot of difference between Ellis and Grigg. his best attribute is his ability to run which he hasnt really used imo, and he only goes one way. hes been a turn over merchant by foot has made dumb mistakes, hasnt been a goal kicker, hasnt shown he can play on similar types and shut en down, he rarely breaks lines and top finish his softness has been cringe worthy.
it seems weather thru development or its just what we recruit ellis is another in a long long line of players who is very much a glass half full. ffs hes a top 20 pick he should be pretty well rounded. i ask is he though.
i really hope there is still plenty of upside left in him but for a sml the clock is well and truly ticking. not sold on him and for me its a tough decision atm on which weak prick we play ellis or grigg.
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The problem is he shouldn't need to fix a lack of defensive intensity. Sure they can get better defensively but the effort should be there from day dot
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I think the coaches let him get away with too much defensively.
He is far better than Grigg. Carlton tagged him in last years elim for a reason.
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massive upgrade on grigg
runs more faster long
less squiby
gets more ball
younger
more upside
etc. light years
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massive upgrade on grigg
less squiby
Highly debatable at this stage
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I don't think Grigg is a squib, he just never puts himself in a position to go into a contest but when he is he does look like he goes in.
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Standing three feet away twidding ones thumps getting ready to run forwards is an act of squibyness
Ellis is prone to this too. Pettard at times. Bacha.
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Standing three feet away twidding ones thumps getting ready to run forwards is an act of squibyness
Ellis is prone to this too. Pettard at times. Bacha.
Petterd? Your statement loses credibility when you include Petterd.
Whack him for poor disposal but I don't think you can ever whack him for pulling out of contests and not putting his body on the line
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Standing three feet away twidding ones thumps getting ready to run forwards is an act of squibyness
Ellis is prone to this too. Pettard at times. Bacha.
Petterd? Your statement loses credibility when you include Petterd.
Whack him for poor disposal but I don't think you can ever whack him for pulling out of contests and not putting his body on the line
Yep have given him plenty about his up and unders but I have never seen him shirk a contest
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Unwilling to get to the contest. Anti Cochin
Rather than pulling out
A form ofnsquib imo
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Pettard ain't no squib. Everyone can't jump on the ball at once.
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Unwilling to get to the contest. Anti Cochin
Rather than pulling out
A form ofnsquib imo
Your points have merit but then you ruin it by saying pettard is a squib. Probably wont find a harsher critic of pettard - but a squib he aint and if even half the side played with his heart, we'd be in a much better place.
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Loves to get up and third man spoil when playing back, one of his best attributes really
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Interesting that despite Ellis being our top possession getter (27 disposals), he said afterwards that he thought he had a quiet game.
Ellis has had more than 25 possies in 10 of his past 12 games (the other two were both 23 disposals).
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2212
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another cracking game by Ellis.
Never stopped running all day
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Would help if he could hit a target that isn't a dinky kick, which he misses from time to time
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Would help if he could hit a target that isn't a dinky kick, which he misses from time to time
they all cant be perfect mate. See Cotchin.
Whats his disposal efficiency like? Would think its pretty good, in & fact id say his in the top half for sure.
Has had a great year. Top 3-4 B&F only behind Dusty, Cotch and Rance
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I don't care if they have perfect little kicks as you said no ones perfect, but he sprays them far too much or simply doesn't kick to advantage. Can cut him some slack if he had even the slightest inside style of play but he doesn't BUT I must admit the past 2-3 weeks he's been better. Just think the rest of the year was too pee poor.
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Richmond @Richmond_FC twitter:
"Big happy 21st birthday to @brandonjellis after 34 touches and a goal yesterday he's earned it!"
:birthday
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One of the guys who has really lifted in the second half of the year.
Just turned 21 so he has a lot of upside. Needs to develop his inside game and tackling.
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One of the guys who has really lifted in the second half of the year.
Just turned 21 so he has a lot of upside. Needs to develop his inside game and tackling.
He's already gone past Conca as he gets more of it and is definitely more penetrating with his kicks and does hit the scoreboard too.
But he's again just another product of the limpwristed soft pansy uncontested production machine that is the RFC.
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Would help if he could hit a target that isn't a dinky kick, which he misses from time to time
Went at 84% yesterday, not bad for a 30+ game. He's the least of our problems
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I'm not his biggest fan :whistle but he has improved in the second half of the year. Credit where credit is due.
Still some work to do but at least he is heading in the right direction.
Good on the kid
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Only seen him shirk one contest against GWS, is improving
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Only seen him shirk one contest against GWS, is improving
Me too but the shirk wasn't a good look. And FWIW, I agree with BT, I'm not his biggest fan but he has improved in the second half of the year. Credit where credit is due.
Still some work to do but at least he is heading in the right direction.
Good on the kid
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I want to see him king hit an essendon player next friday night and get himself reported. when brandon starts hitting people we will be on the right track.
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I want to see him king hit an essendon player next friday night and get himself reported. when brandon starts hitting people we will be on the right track.
what i want to see is him go hard at a ball knowing he will cop it if he does so. there can be no compromise on this sort of thing.
as a team i want see us hunt players i want to see us work for our teammates i want a massive lift in defensive running i want to see at the very least double the tackles and i want to see somer real work by players who dont have the ball to give options to those who have it in hand. if a mates copping a tag ffs someone anyone pick the tafgger off. freakin shepherd and block we dont do anywhere near enough 1percenters.
ffs we can be so much better in these things and more even with half a team of softies.
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We are 2nd in the AFL for contested possession differential since round 12. That's not soft. Do facts even register with some of you...
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We are 2nd in the AFL for contested possession differential since round 12. That's not soft. Do facts even register with some of you...
But near last in tackles..... :banghead
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People get a bit obsessed with tackles I think.
Sydney are 1st, Hawthorn are 18th, Fremantle are 12th, GWS are 7th.
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We are 2nd in the AFL for contested possession differential since round 12. That's not soft. Do facts even register with some of you...
But near last in tackles..... :banghead
whats your view on the "king hit" doc :lol
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People get a bit obsessed with tackles I think.
Sydney are 1st, Hawthorn are 18th, Fremantle are 12th, GWS are 7th.
Puts things into perspective now doesn't it :thumbsup
Not all the players are the same. As much as I admire the bloke, we can't have a team of Miles clones. We need players who can run all day and deliver the ball. People say Ellis is not courageous but I think that is bs. I saw him smash into pack and take on opponents in marking contests all day on Saturday. His goal came directly from an act of bravery when he had only eyes on the ball, leap into the air and accepted the hit from the GWS player before marking and then running into goal.
I think sometimes people make a judgement on a kid and spend the rest of their career trying to justify that opinion.Yes he failed against Gia early in the year but he's been one of our best players in the second half of the year and he's only 20!
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We are 2nd in the AFL for contested possession differential since round 12. That's not soft. Do facts even register with some of you...
Absolutely facts register but for an outside mid which Ellis predominatly is he's numbers are not going to greatly influence in the contested possession column
Only seen him shirk one contest against GWS, is improving
Like Stripes, didn't think it was a good look but they appear to becoming less frequent which is a good thing
I'm not his biggest fan :whistle but he has improved in the second half of the year. Credit where credit is due.
Still some work to do but at least he is heading in the right direction.
Good on the kid
Agree with this too, thought he took a massive step forward over in Perth the other week with his attack on the footy
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Ellis comes of age
richmondfc.com.au
August 4, 2014
“He’s had an outstanding year,” said Richmond’s coach Damien Hardwick.
“He probably started a little slow, but his work-rate is probably the thing that he’s discovered . . . how hard he has to work.
“He runs a lot . . . he’s just one of those guys that works up and down the ground. And, he’s really improved his contested ball (work).
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-08-04/ellis-comes-of-age
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People get a bit obsessed with tackles I think.
Sydney are 1st, Hawthorn are 18th, Fremantle are 12th, GWS are 7th.
Puts things into perspective now doesn't it :thumbsup
Not all the players are the same. As much as I admire the bloke, we can't have a team of Miles clones. We need players who can run all day and deliver the ball. People say Ellis is not courageous but I think that is bs. I saw him smash into pack and take on opponents in marking contests all day on Saturday. His goal came directly from an act of bravery when he had only eyes on the ball, leap into the air and accepted the hit from the GWS player before marking and then running into goal.
I think sometimes people make a judgement on a kid and spend the rest of their career trying to justify that opinion.Yes he failed against Gia early in the year but he's been one of our best players in the second half of the year and he's only 20!
For me Stripes it's been his lack of courage with ball in hand that has me hating him since day one. His kicking sideways and backwards is as gutless as not putting his head over the pill. The last few weeks he has IMO made a conscience effort to move the ball our way more often than not.
I can live with a kid being a little scared of getting hurt early on in his career but being scared to make a mistake with the footy is the softest thing you can get from a talented kid.
Is that fair Stripes?
And I think he is improving, so as I said, good on the kid.
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People get a bit obsessed with tackles I think.
Sydney are 1st, Hawthorn are 18th, Fremantle are 12th, GWS are 7th.
Puts things into perspective now doesn't it :thumbsup
Sure does, I wouldnt have picked that
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I have been harsh of grigg. For getting a lot of uncontested back pocket plop.
However Ellis is a different kettle of fish.
He's significantly younger. Loads more upside. Very good runner.
Even the best sides need outside players. Can't argue with the sheer number Ellis is putting up
That said he's far from faultless. The good outways the bad. Solid second tier, not the primary issue
#10 in the league for total possession. Just behind ablett and chimp. Not many years in the system
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Brandon Ellis in form as Richmond chase unlikely finals berth, once a tagger he is now being tagged by opposition
Sam Edmund
Herald-Sun
August 08, 2014
RED-hot Richmond running man Brandon Ellis will be a marked man at the MCG tonight as the Tigers’ finals fairytale hangs by a thread.
Essendon has set its sights on the in-form midfielder, aware Ellis’s scintillating form has been critical to Richmond’s unlikely surge into September contention.
From Rounds 6-19 Ellis has amassed the second-most possessions in the AFL, behind only Sydney’s Josh Kennedy.
The Tigers are riding a five-game winning streak for the first time since 2000, but Ellis told the Herald Sun he and his teammates had shut-out talk of a miracle finals berth.
“Look, I know it’s going to sound cliche’, but we are honestly just taking it one week at a time. A lot of things have to go our way — teams have to win, teams have to lose, we have to win the next four. We drop one and we won’t make it,” Ellis said.
“We honestly haven’t spoken about it one bit at all. It’s all in the papers and you hear about it and all that. But once you get to the club and through the doors, we don’t talk about it.
“We know what we have to do.”
Ellis pointed to the mid-season returns of injured trio Ivan Maric, Alex Rance and Brett Deledio as the spark for reversing a campaign that was wallowing at 3-10.
“As ‘Dimma’ said, even when we were 3-10 there was no way he was just going to give guys games ... and he stuck to his guns and I think that’s really helped us,” he said.
“I think we’re just executing the small things really well. We’ve been doing it in training and it’s coming into games. The last five or six games have been awesome and how we’ve wanted to play all year. It was just unfortunate we couldn’t do it at the start.”
Ellis started the year tagging, but he will end it being tagged. After “learning a lot” from a shutdown job on Bryce Gibbs in Round 2, he started racking up the numbers. In recent weeks Brisbane (Rohan Bewick) and GWS (Rhys Palmer) have tried — and failed — to shut him down.
“I’ve just been working hard and using my tank to help me get through games,” Ellis said.
“I’m not cramping anymore, whereas last year in last quarters I’d cramp. Now that I’m finishing off games well that’s helping a lot.
“It also helps when you’ve got ‘Lids’ (Deledio) and ‘Cotchy’ (Trent Cotchin) and ‘Dusty’ (Dustin Martin) going through the midfield. It certainly makes your job a little bit easier and we’re all good mates and play for each other which helps as well.”
As for the taggers, Ellis is unfazed.
“I take it as a compliment. A lot of guys say ‘Oh, I’m in for a bad day’, but it just makes me want to work harder and really want to beat them because I hate getting beaten,” Ellis said.
“They’re probably just as fit as you, just as strong as you, but it’s all upstairs when it comes to that. You’ve got to fight that mental battle for longer than them and hopefully things go your way.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brandon-ellis-in-form-as-richmond-chase-unlikely-finals-berth-once-a-tagger-he-is-now-being-tagged-by-opposition/story-fndv8t7m-1227017121799
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I can't believe they actually think the issue was missing 3 players.
I cannot believe they actually think they haven't been "gifting" games.
What is going on at Punt Rd?
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“As ‘Dimma’ said, even when we were 3-10 there was no way he was just going to give guys games ... and he stuck to his guns and I think that’s really helped us,” he said.
:banghead :banghead
I suppose if they keep saying it then one day close to "when hell freezes over" we might just believe it
then again ...........................
What absolute CRAP Brandon.
Good to see we've been consistent with one aspect of season 2014 and that's the SPIN :chuck :chuck
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Yeah it is unusual to get spin from a football club, wonder whats going on there
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Ellis has been a standout this season and is one of the biggest reasons why we have won the last 5. On early form we would have lost all of those games. The difference is that with a fit Lids, Cotch, Miles, Dusty and Titch (yet S.Edwards!) Ellis is now getting off the chain more often and has the confidence to spread because he knows we will more than likely win the inside battle.
The biggest out we had was Maric, hand down. He is a huge difference because of his relentless body work and run around the ground. He is a contested machine. While Hampson would stand a watch from the outside of stoppages Maric is in the action either winning the ball himself to feed it out, tackling, shepherding or clearing the ball himself. Without him we were a man down around every contest.
Similarly, with Lids injured or out of action, the opposition went to players like Cotchin and Eliis instead. His absence and form hurt not just because of his normal input but because of the knock on effect to the team. Rance is now irreplaceable. He is our best backman by a mile. With Chaplin working together we are tough to beat but if Chaplin is forced to play on tight on a player it doesn't work for him. Chaplin would actually make a good forward the way he reads the ball in the air but that's another discussion entirely.
I don't think these players absences were the only reason but they were a big reason in terms of contested ball and leadership on and off the ground. It again highlights our poor depth and emerging leaders. This is my biggest concern.
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Ellis has been a standout this season and is one of the biggest reasons why we have won the last 5. On early form we would have lost all of those games. The difference is that with a fit Lids, Cotch, Miles, Dusty and Titch (yet S.Edwards!) Ellis is now getting off the chain more often and has the confidence to spread because he knows we will more than likely win the inside battle.
The biggest out we had was Maric, hand down. He is a huge difference because of his relentless body work and run around the ground. He is a contested machine. While Hampson would stand a watch from the outside of stoppages Maric is in the action either winning the ball himself to feed it out, tackling, shepherding or clearing the ball himself. Without him we were a man down around every contest.
Similarly, with Lids injured or out of action, the opposition went to players like Cotchin and Eliis instead. His absence and form hurt not just because of his normal input but because of the knock on effect to the team. Rance is now irreplaceable. He is our best backman by a mile. With Chaplin working together we are tough to beat but if Chaplin is forced to play on tight on a player it doesn't work for him. Chaplin would actually make a good forward the way he reads the ball in the air but that's another discussion entirely.
I don't think these players absences were the only reason but they were a big reason in terms of contested ball and leadership on and off the ground. It again highlights our poor depth and emerging leaders. This is my biggest concern.
The biggest reason we've won the last 5 is bc of our draw - nothing else.
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Blind freddy can see we ARE playing better, whether you want to admit it or not. Good enough to beat the good teams? We'll see.
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Blind freddy can see we ARE playing better, whether you want to admit it or not. Good enough to beat the good teams? We'll see.
How well you play is also dependant on how good/bad the opposition is at allowing you to play well.
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Blind freddy can see we ARE playing better, whether you want to admit it or not. Good enough to beat the good teams? We'll see.
I reckon that we are playing a better style of football and that coupled with the opposition (GWS, Lions and St Kilda in particluar) have contributed to our wins
However, and this is the key for me - where the hell was it in rounds 1-13? Why has it taken to now for this to happen?
That's my issue, hence why the wins mean very little and don't and shouldn't hide the problems we clearly have. List depth, the lack of mental strength with things aren't going well etc
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Have no issue in saying he was sensational last night
Best game I've seen him play.
Well done Brnadon Ellis :clapping :clapping
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Was everywhere tonight. Awesome play.
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Ive been critical of the kid but he was excellent last night, got lots of the footy, used it well and went hard at the contest, good on him :thumbsup
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Have no issue in saying he was sensational last night
Best game I've seen him play.
Well done Brnadon Ellis :clapping :clapping
:cheers
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Yes great game but I still think he lets himself down with disposal and he does put other players under a lot of pressure....anyway, he did play well!!
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Brandon Ellis is currently our best player
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Can't believe he isn't being tagged. :lol
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Was great again last night.
Good to see the dinky crappy kicks with too much air have gone. :thumbsup
Was everywhere tonight. Awesome play.
Yep from the last line of defence taking marks in the square to covering every other blade of grass on
the ground also. Got his mojo back. :thumbsup
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Can't believe he isn't being tagged. :lol
That's probably why he gets so much easy outside ball. Opposition HAS to put time into Cotchin, Deledio and Martin. Even Miles is getting it around stoppages. Not enough stoppers to take care of every one. Last night was a better opponent than usual where Ellis has to work a bit harder but still managed to find his own footy.
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Only issue I had with him last night was a couple of kick-outs that were poorly directed and went to the Bummer's advantage. Apart from that I thought he played very well.
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Can't believe he isn't being tagged. :lol
Would be great if they start tagging Ellis over a lids or chimp
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Highlight for me was in the last and he laid that tackle (Dempsey IIRC), was fantastic to see :clapping
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yep and also when he didn't hesitate when faced with a heavy front on collision. Has really stepped it up in all, facets, looks leaner and tougher too.
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Highlight for me was in the last and he laid that tackle (Dempsey IIRC), was fantastic to see :clapping
good to see you have come around. The guy is class. Our first rounds were horrible even Cotch played rubbish.
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yep and also when he didn't hesitate when faced with a heavy front on collision. Has really stepped it up in all, facets, looks leaner and tougher too.
Yes, it was pretty funny to see Heppell set up poor old Heath Hocking with a hospital pass, Ellis got him pretty nicely, he had a bit of steam up.
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yep and also when he didn't hesitate when faced with a heavy front on collision. Has really stepped it up in all, facets, looks leaner and tougher too.
The one where the Essendon player was vulnerable going for the mark and Ellis was free to brace himself instead of going the spoil?
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yep and also when he didn't hesitate when faced with a heavy front on collision. Has really stepped it up in all, facets, looks leaner and tougher too.
The one where the Essendon player was vulnerable going for the mark and Ellis was free to brace himself instead of going the spoil?
No, the one Im talking about didn't happen that way - but each to their own..
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yep and also when he didn't hesitate when faced with a heavy front on collision. Has really stepped it up in all, facets, looks leaner and tougher too.
The one where the Essendon player was vulnerable going for the mark and Ellis was free to brace himself instead of going the spoil?
No, the one Im talking about didn't happen that way - but each to their own..
;D Played a really good game. Loved his tackle
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Highlight for me was in the last and he laid that tackle (Dempsey IIRC), was fantastic to see :clapping
good to see you have come around. The guy is class. Our first rounds were horrible even Cotch played rubbish.
Always give credit where credit is due
Didn't pull out of one contest and that's the best thing IMV
On Friday night he set what is now the minimum benchmark required, it needs to become the norm not a monthly cameo :thumbsup
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Pettard laided a couple key tackles too. Kudos
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Pettard laided a couple key tackles too. Kudos
Pettard's always been tough
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Wasn't saying otherwise
Still, nice few tackles at key times
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Has left Conca for dead...
Good game
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Wasn't saying otherwise
Still, nice few tackles at key times
Must have taken it the wrong way :thumbsup Pettard has been pretty solid for us for a while now. Took a few people to come to terms with it but good to see him getting some credit
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Ellis reaps benefits of hard work
richmondfc.com.au
August 11, 2014
“He (Brandon Ellis) had a couple of issues earlier this year, and last year, with contested ball,” Petterd told AFL Live.
“To his credit, he’s worked on that with ‘Choco’ and a few of the other boys. Matty Thomas has taken him under his wing.
“He’s worked on that, so now I think he’s becoming an all-round player.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-08-11/ellis-reaps-benefits-of-hard-work
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Between Thomas and Grigg this bloke has had some pretty pee poor mentors...
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Between Thomas and Grigg this bloke has had some pretty pee poor mentors...
I think these two were the "Not how to do" models
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Between Thomas and Grigg this bloke has had some pretty pee poor mentors...
:lol
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Between Thomas and Grigg this bloke has had some pretty pee poor mentors...
I'm more than happy with Thomas working on teaching him about contested ball, that's not Thomas' short suit.
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Buzzkill >:(
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Young midfielder Brandon Ellis leads Richmond’s possession count this season (503) – ranked eighth in the AFL.
Of Ellis’ 503 possessions, 362 have been uncontested – ranked No.2 in the competition.
He’s also eighth for metres gained.
Brandon Ellis is sixth in the AFL for kicks (297). Ellis is in the top 10 for effective kicks.
http://www.afc.com.au/news/2014-08-12/stats-that-matter-rd-21
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Just a call out to Brandon's game - 31 touches, 4 inside 50s and numerous important touches across the back 50.
Bag him all you like - the kids a star!
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Has become a true gun. If he keeps this up he's a genuine B+/A grader IMO.
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Huge game again tonight. Turned his season around nicely. :thumbsup
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He seems to be everywhere. Another really good game from him. :clapping
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Ellis made Lloyd's "Rolling All Australian"
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Ellis has really turned his game around without being dropped to the VFL when he should have been. His whole game has picked up 100% & he is thrusting himself to every contest & winning the ball but most of all his using the ball alot better than the early rounds. This kid is a gem when his got his mind on the job
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Gun.
who was it who called for him to be traded :lol
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For a guy who was taken at 15 in the draft, he is so far in front of most in that same draft it's not funny. Only Wingard has been better overall and even he arguably hasn't shown the consistency that Ellis has.
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Trade value is high
Just saying
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Trade value is high
Just saying
But Titch Edwards trade value has just reached its apex. Sell sell sell.
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Ellis is becoming truly elite. In sensational form!
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Ellis is becoming truly elite. In sensational form!
as long as he keeps being strong at the contest which was not a strongpoint early in the season he will be alright.
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Trade value is high
Just saying
But Titch Edwards trade value has just reached its apex. Sell sell sell.
Not true.
Shane has not even reached his final form
Wait til next year :shh
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Robbo is telling opposition clubs to tag Ellis ....
7. WHY NO TAG ON ELLIS?
Adelaide is not alone in letting Ellis run free because he seems to escape the attention from all clubs. His possessions in the past eight games read 31, 28, 34, 27, 29, 32, 36 and 35. Deledio has gone forward so a backman can take care of him, Cotchin still gets close attention, Miles is in and under, so who else is left. Ellis needs a tag pronto. At 21 and after 62 games, he looms as a Richmond’s equivalent to Sydney’s Dan Hannebery.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/check-out-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21-plus-the-tweets-of-the-week/story-fndv7pj3-1227027657780
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That's some fair hauls just quietly. Robbo pooting his pants we might make it now. :clapping
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Robbo is telling opposition clubs to tag Ellis ....
7. WHY NO TAG ON ELLIS?
Adelaide is not alone in letting Ellis run free because he seems to escape the attention from all clubs. His possessions in the past eight games read 31, 28, 34, 27, 29, 32, 36 and 35. Deledio has gone forward so a backman can take care of him, Cotchin still gets close attention, Miles is in and under, so who else is left. Ellis needs a tag pronto. At 21 and after 62 games, he looms as a Richmond’s equivalent to Sydney’s Dan Hannebery.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/check-out-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21-plus-the-tweets-of-the-week/story-fndv7pj3-1227027657780
What a fat-arsed, sooky lagging dog.
LMAO idiot!
So deluded he thinks his general observations alert the sporting world of things that would otherwise have gone unnoticed.
FAT SHITMAN!
Ellis has been going well and deserves a new name.(Ellis DeGeneres)
I shall refer to him from now, as "Lester"
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Robbo is telling opposition clubs to tag Ellis ....
7. WHY NO TAG ON ELLIS?
Adelaide is not alone in letting Ellis run free because he seems to escape the attention from all clubs. His possessions in the past eight games read 31, 28, 34, 27, 29, 32, 36 and 35. Deledio has gone forward so a backman can take care of him, Cotchin still gets close attention, Miles is in and under, so who else is left. Ellis needs a tag pronto. At 21 and after 62 games, he looms as a Richmond’s equivalent to Sydney’s Dan Hannebery.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/check-out-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21-plus-the-tweets-of-the-week/story-fndv7pj3-1227027657780
What a fat-arsed, sooky lagging dog.
LMAO idiot!
So deluded he thinks his general observations alert the sporting world of things that would otherwise have gone unnoticed.
FAT pooMAN!
Ellis has been going well and deserves a new name.(Ellis DeGeneres)
I shall refer to him from now, as "Lester"
:lol :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Robbo is telling opposition clubs to tag Ellis ....
7. WHY NO TAG ON ELLIS?
Adelaide is not alone in letting Ellis run free because he seems to escape the attention from all clubs. His possessions in the past eight games read 31, 28, 34, 27, 29, 32, 36 and 35. Deledio has gone forward so a backman can take care of him, Cotchin still gets close attention, Miles is in and under, so who else is left. Ellis needs a tag pronto. At 21 and after 62 games, he looms as a Richmond’s equivalent to Sydney’s Dan Hannebery.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/check-out-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21-plus-the-tweets-of-the-week/story-fndv7pj3-1227027657780
What a fat-arsed, sooky lagging dog.
LMAO idiot!
So deluded he thinks his general observations alert the sporting world of things that would otherwise have gone unnoticed.
FAT pooMAN!
Ellis has been going well and deserves a new name.(Ellis DeGeneres)
I shall refer to him from now, as "Lester"
Brilliant.
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Robbo is telling opposition clubs to tag Ellis ....
7. WHY NO TAG ON ELLIS?
Adelaide is not alone in letting Ellis run free because he seems to escape the attention from all clubs. His possessions in the past eight games read 31, 28, 34, 27, 29, 32, 36 and 35. Deledio has gone forward so a backman can take care of him, Cotchin still gets close attention, Miles is in and under, so who else is left. Ellis needs a tag pronto. At 21 and after 62 games, he looms as a Richmond’s equivalent to Sydney’s Dan Hannebery.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/check-out-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21-plus-the-tweets-of-the-week/story-fndv7pj3-1227027657780
No one listens to him.......
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Robbo is telling opposition clubs to tag Ellis ....
7. WHY NO TAG ON ELLIS?
Adelaide is not alone in letting Ellis run free because he seems to escape the attention from all clubs. His possessions in the past eight games read 31, 28, 34, 27, 29, 32, 36 and 35. Deledio has gone forward so a backman can take care of him, Cotchin still gets close attention, Miles is in and under, so who else is left. Ellis needs a tag pronto. At 21 and after 62 games, he looms as a Richmond’s equivalent to Sydney’s Dan Hannebery.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/check-out-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21-plus-the-tweets-of-the-week/story-fndv7pj3-1227027657780
What a fat-arsed, sooky lagging dog.
LMAO idiot!
So deluded he thinks his general observations alert the sporting world of things that would otherwise have gone unnoticed.
FAT pooMAN!
Ellis has been going well and deserves a new name.(Ellis DeGeneres)
I shall refer to him from now, as "Lester"
:lol :clapping :clapping :clapping
Quality work there Brackets. :cheers
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was gunna but wont. not sold on his game or how good hes been the last 8 10 weeks. alli will say is i still think hes a one way player who rarely gets down and dirty.
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was gunna but wont. not sold on his game or how good hes been the last 8 10 weeks. alli will say is i still think hes a one way player who rarely gets down and dirty.
Have you been watching the last 3-4 weeks in particular?
What you've said has been my biggest knock him as well, not attacking contest often enough
But and credit where credit is due it has been the biggest single improvement in his game over the last month - easily
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Last month? WP and claw you both are dillusional. He goes in harder than lids don't worry about that.
The guy has been sensational the last 8-12 weeks.
From the games I see he is an absolute gem who has played all of 50 games. Go look at your other hacks you defend before this bloke
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Last month? WP and claw you both are dillusional. He goes in harder than lids don't worry about that.
Angus, I really wish you would take the time to read all of my comments and then actually try and comprehend it rather than taking a few words and then have your normal whack (read insult) if someone doesn't agree with you
So here it is again in full:
Have you been watching the last 3-4 weeks in particular?
What you've said has been my biggest knock him as well, not attacking contest often enough
But and credit where credit is due it has been the biggest single improvement in his game over the last month - easily
Now I will break it down further for you
I think his last 4 weeks have been the best footy he has played for the club. Clear?
Claw said "i still think hes a one way player who rarely gets down and dirty". I clearly have stated above that I don't agree with that and that the last month in particular proves that. Clear?
I also said that my biggest knock on him has been not attacking contest enough. I think I have given plenty examples over time to highlight what I mean. Now you obviously don't agree with that and that's your right but at no time have called you dillusional for holding that view. But I am entitled to voice my opinion the other way which I have tried to concisely without insults. Clear?
Finally I said that his attack on the contest "has been the biggest single improvement in his game over the last month - easily". Others may think it is gut running, his kicking longer or his running both ways but IMHO it's been his attack on the contest because that again IMESHO was his biggest weakness. Clear?
I know it doesn't suit your purpose Angus but I was actually defending the kid.
Why? Because I think his last month or so has been his best this season and probably in his career because his game has become more than just being about the number of possessions he gets. Again just my opinion/take.
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After a horror start to the season, has clearly gone to another level the past couple of months. Anybody who wont admit it are just doing so bc they dont like to admit they got it wrong
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one way player
Dimma has been praising his two-way running a lot lately.
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Robbo is telling opposition clubs to tag Ellis ....
7. WHY NO TAG ON ELLIS?
Adelaide is not alone in letting Ellis run free because he seems to escape the attention from all clubs. His possessions in the past eight games read 31, 28, 34, 27, 29, 32, 36 and 35. Deledio has gone forward so a backman can take care of him, Cotchin still gets close attention, Miles is in and under, so who else is left. Ellis needs a tag pronto. At 21 and after 62 games, he looms as a Richmond’s equivalent to Sydney’s Dan Hannebery.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/check-out-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21-plus-the-tweets-of-the-week/story-fndv7pj3-1227027657780
What a fat-arsed, sooky lagging dog.
LMAO idiot!
So deluded he thinks his general observations alert the sporting world of things that would otherwise have gone unnoticed.
FAT pooMAN!
Ellis has been going well and deserves a new name.(Ellis DeGeneres)
I shall refer to him from now, as "Lester"
:lol :clapping :clapping :clapping
I actually agree :clapping
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Last month? WP and claw you both are dillusional. He goes in harder than lids don't worry about that.
The guy has been sensational the last 8-12 weeks.
From the games I see he is an absolute gem who has played all of 50 games. Go look at your other hacks you defend before this bloke
You're delusional if you think he has been getting down and dirty for the past 8-12 weeks. Yes his game got better but only the past 4-5 weeks has he started going in hard at the required times.
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Last month? WP and claw you both are dillusional. He goes in harder than lids don't worry about that.
The guy has been sensational the last 8-12 weeks.
From the games I see he is an absolute gem who has played all of 50 games. Go look at your other hacks you defend before this bloke
You're delusional if you think he has been getting down and dirty for the past 8-12 weeks. Yes his game got better but only the past 4-5 weeks has he started going in hard at the required times.
Yep past a month ago he was shirking contests
Full credit to him for his last few games, has been going mighty fine indeed
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shirking contests is a bit different to trade bait as some suggested and no i am not going to back and find posts.
WP you have been banging on about ellis for some time now. Ive heard the lot from a few posters re" ellis Not enough gut running, his head is too big due to the marketing gig the club inflicted on him etc etc
Think you need to cool the jets and admit Ellis has improved every year since he was drafted. This year is no different, albeit with a slower start along with 20 of his mates.
yeahright did i didnt say he gets "down and dirty". What i said he he does more than the likes of Lids has and he has played 150 more games and is a far more accomplished player.
Maybe he isnt the Jake king type of player who goes in hard at all times but give me Ellis any day who never stops running and is a very nice kick, than a Conca, Petterd or a King.
You will be hard pressed to find a better 50 games outside of lids, cotch and dustty than what ellis has dished up.
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I don't think there's anything Wong with being trade bait
Is it a compliment, Ellis would be worth alot
Generally you have to give something to gt something
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I don't think there's anything Wong with being trade bait
Is it a compliment, Ellis would be worth alot
Generally you have to give something to gt something
:o :o :o :o :o :o well ill be you do have an idea about this concept. wouldnt know it to read most of your posts.
and to others yes hes played better but i havent really seen anything that will suggest hes going to always go when its required. found a lot of ball lately and thats great but theres more to the game than getting your hands on the ball. soft as butter as far as im concerned and a month of decent footy doing what is expected of all players wont suddenly change that opinion.
as i said im not sold on this bloke and cant help but think he will revert back to squibbing it.
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I don't think there's anything Wong with being trade bait
Is it a compliment, Ellis would be worth alot
Generally you have to give something to gt something
:o :o :o :o :o :o well ill be you do have an idea about this concept. wouldnt know it to read most of your posts.
and to others yes hes played better but i havent really seen anything that will suggest hes going to always go when its required. found a lot of ball lately and thats great but theres more to the game than getting your hands on the ball. soft as butter as far as im concerned and a month of decent footy doing what is expected of all players wont suddenly change that opinion.
as i said im not sold on this bloke and cant help but think he will revert back to squibbing it.
You are such a pessimist claw.
He was taken at 15 in his draft. Apart from Wingard, who has been clearly a better performed player than him that went earlier?
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I don't think there's anything Wong with being trade bait
Is it a compliment, Ellis would be worth alot
Generally you have to give something to gt something
:o :o :o :o :o :o well ill be you do have an idea about this concept. wouldnt know it to read most of your posts.
and to others yes hes played better but i havent really seen anything that will suggest hes going to always go when its required. found a lot of ball lately and thats great but theres more to the game than getting your hands on the ball. soft as butter as far as im concerned and a month of decent footy doing what is expected of all players wont suddenly change that opinion.
as i said im not sold on this bloke and cant help but think he will revert back to squibbing it.
You are such a pessimist claw.
He was taken at 15 in his draft. Apart from Wingard, who has been clearly a better performed player than him that went earlier?
Wingards form isnt that crash hot now that sides have worked him out
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The other Mark Williams talking about Ellis:
* One of Brandon’s fantastic attributes is his ability to run and I thought he really set himself up with his defence. His defence put him in great position to get into effective transition and he won the ball well, he received the ball well and in transition he set us up, especially in the third quarter, which was when our mark/play-on rate was something like 42%. He was a big reason why we had such a good quarter because he won the ball, played on, set our transition up and from there we were able to score and score pretty well.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-07/ellis-energises-tigers
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VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-05-07/brando-with-richo
“Outside ball, that’s pretty good at the moment. I’ve got to work on my contested (ball) a lot more and my tackling,” Ellis said.
“I think my contested numbers haven’t been too bad this year, and I think I’m averaging five tackles a game (compared to his 2014 tackle average of 2.4), which has never been heard of before, but I’ll try and keep that up.”
“The coach is starting to get into me now that you can’t just be a midfielder that gets the ball – you need to be a midfielder that kicks goals as well, to be more damaging,” he said.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-05-07/ellis-eyes-further-improvement
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Dead set poor disposal. Worst in the team.
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Typical game. Did some things that incensed me but still ended up with 30 touches and provided a lot of run. Think we will always have to take the good with the bad with Brandon
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Will end up being the poor man's Ellis…..
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Would be talked about in much higher terms if he could f*@#ing kick.
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he can kick but he has a couple of issues which effect his disposal
he makes dumb decisions
he panics and/or rushes his kicks
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Been saying it since day 1, he is poo!
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Very poor game. His efforts off the ball were very poor and his disposal was very average.
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Another one of our left field safe recruiting selections, gets a lot of ball but simply doesn't have a footballing brain and doesn't hurt teams with his disposal. His namesake Corey yesterday had less possessions but each were more incisive than Brandon's. Needs to be taken aside by the coaching staff and work on his thought process during the game and also taken outside for a bit of one on one skill training to improve his execution.
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Needs to improve a few things - hardness and disposal for example.
Certainly wasn't useless though. Kicked a beauty.
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His marking is underrated, though we haven't even seen that much this year. With better coaching & gameplan I believe he still has something to offer but would still consider dangling him on the line come trade week to see what bites.
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Looks to have attracted the short dinky kick disease
Reckon his biggest strength is his long kicking and it's gone missing big time this season
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Wouldn't have got a opportunity at another club.
Being thick as a plank doesn't help.
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Looks to have apogee the short dinky kick disease
Reckon his biggest strength is his long kicking and it's gone missing big time this season
Agree. Needs to go back to kicking the ball long. It is a real strength. No need for dinky short kicks.
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Plays like a worried little chicken. :thumbsdown He better lift his game or Conca will take his spot
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Looks to have apogee the short dinky kick disease
Reckon his biggest strength is his long kicking and it's gone missing big time this season
Agree. Needs to go back to kicking the ball long. It is a real strength. No need for dinky short kicks.
Seem to remember after we picked him up watching his draft video and the thing that stood out most was definitely his long kicking. Not seeing it at the moment.
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Played well, went in hard when he had to
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Sometimes l wonder if this lad has been playing with some sort of injury or someone got into him about the way his was going. He seemed to go very hard today & was very good
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Used the footy really well yesterday too - a pleasing change from recent weeks
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Miles talking about Brandon's year so far:
“He’s been fantastic. He’s having another great season. He’s starting to be a real leader out there and demanding high standards of others which has been fantastic. We won contested possessions and tackles for the second week in-a-row and Brandon set the scene there. It’s been a real focus of his lately and for him to be leading the way in that is a real positive for our group. He’s really driving those standards for the other players.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-05-27/ellis-continues-to-shine
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(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2015/05/30/376853.jpg)
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-05-30/round-9-ellis-wins-yiooken
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Excellent game from a very good footballer.
Makes me laugh when some on here put him in the same bracket as Conca.
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His running ability is starting to impact in clutch moments. That last quarter was one out of the box. Was everywhere, particularly in our defensive 50
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He is busting his guts & lifted to the next level. The harder this lad pushes, The better he gets. BT calling him Taylor Hunt when he was chasing down the ball in the last 1/4 :snidegrin BT really hates the Tiges. Outstanding game by Brandon :thumbsup
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Ellis made Robbo's 'likes' this week:
3. Brandon Ellis:
Has gone 33, 24, 29, 31 and 33 disposals in his past four games and was judged best afield on Saturday night. Some people say he has no tricks. Try tremendous nous and a tank that keeps driving him when others are collapsing around him.
http://www.news.com.au/national/collingwoods-third-quarter-will-minson-and-the-adam-goodes-reaction-are-among-round-9-likes-and-dislikes/story-e6frfkp9-1227377540713
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Ellis made Robbo's 'likes' this week:
3. Brandon Ellis:
Has gone 33, 24, 29, 31 and 33 disposals in his past four games and was judged best afield on Saturday night. Some people say he has no tricks. Try tremendous nous and a tank that keeps driving him when others are collapsing around him.
http://www.news.com.au/national/collingwoods-third-quarter-will-minson-and-the-adam-goodes-reaction-are-among-round-9-likes-and-dislikes/story-e6frfkp9-1227377540713
Can never blame this guy for not running hard. Knows how to find the footy and runs and runs and runs. At this rate he could end up being the best of the 2011 draft.
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how many games has this panic merchant played?
it poos me to tears the amount of time he rushes his disposal under perceived pressure, when there is actually none. :banghead :banghead
He's a bloke who would bring something of value at the trade table and i would do it in a heartbeat. he's a liability in high pressure games and can GAGF
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how many games has this panic merchant played?
it poos me to tears the amount of time he rushes his disposal under perceived pressure, when there is actually none. :banghead :banghead
He's a bloke who would bring something of value at the trade table and i would do it in a heartbeat. he's a liability in high pressure games and can GAGF
:clapping :clapping :clapping
Post of the year. I have been saying this about Ellis for ever, stuff the high stats he gets, he butchers the ball and puts every player under pressure with his delivery, poor decision making and inability to release the ball in the first instance when he has options.
Oh and his head bobbing poos me.. ;D
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how many games has this panic merchant played?
it poos me to tears the amount of time he rushes his disposal under perceived pressure, when there is actually none. :banghead :banghead
He's a bloke who would bring something of value at the trade table and i would do it in a heartbeat. he's a liability in high pressure games and can GAGF
Thank you
Have been critical of Ellis' of for along time
Yesterday was back to the bad days of refusing to go in for a hard ball for apparent fear of getting hit
The 2nd last shot at goal Freo had, the one that led to the Houli kick out brain fade was caused directly by Ellis refusing to go in and tackle a Freo bloke, refusing to go for a hard ball
I understand you need outside players and that's his main role but when it's your turn to go you bloody well go but this bloke bloody well refuses.
As for the helicopter passes :banghead
For reasons I don't understand He'd get us a 1st rounder, take it Tigers
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I understand the sentiment but would've thought there are 5 or 6 players who are more seasoned and don't have any upside that you would trade or retire ahead of a 21 year old in his 4th season.
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i'd trade him because of his value.
thats how you get your treloar type of deal done.
...and a player in his fourth season should be more composed
he still may grow out of it, but let someone else take the risk.
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how many games has this panic merchant played?
it poos me to tears the amount of time he rushes his disposal under perceived pressure, when there is actually none. :banghead :banghead
He's a bloke who would bring something of value at the trade table and i would do it in a heartbeat. he's a liability in high pressure games and can GAGF
Thank you
Have been critical of Ellis' of for along time
Yesterday was back to the bad days of refusing to go in for a hard ball for apparent fear of getting hit
The 2nd last shot at goal Freo had, the one that led to the Houli kick out brain fade was caused directly by Ellis refusing to go in and tackle a Freo bloke, refusing to go for a hard ball
I understand you need outside players and that's his main role but when it's your turn to go you bloody well go but this bloke bloody well refuses.
As for the helicopter passes :banghead
For reasons I don't understand He'd get us a 1st rounder, take it Tigers
I'm watching the game again now and he seriously wastes nearly every possession he gets. He was actually named in our best players yesterday :wallywink
I think I can take the mantle on the amount of dislike for this dud for the longest time. :lol
Maybe that really interesting guy who goes through posts from 5 years ago can back me up. :lol
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i'd trade him because of his value.
thats how you get your treloar type of deal done.
...and a player in his fourth season should be more composed
he still may grow out of it, but let someone else take the risk.
Yes agree, throw him, Morris, Batch and Conca into the trade basket and we could really get some class into the team.
Well for Morris we could get a tub of KFC at least. :snidegrin
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just make sure its hot and spicy
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just make sure its hot and spicy
That will cost us Newman too.
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that just makes it more spicy
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that just makes it more spicy
Working on the deal now!!
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I believe Brandon to be a very good footballer, who just needs to be taken aside by the coaches to learn that he must eradicate the schoolyard kick stats from his game. I would also suggest that maybe some of the assistant coaches , rather than developing structures and video footage of such , actually identify weaknesses in players and focus in on changing those. All the structures and team rules in the world will not cover for individual errors. It's a bit like "if you build your house upon the sand......"
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Post of the week
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Post of the week
No it's not, it starts with "I believe Brandon is a very good footballer"
He is soft, scared and kicks the ball sideways or backwards more times than the whole Hawthorn side.
He gets heaps of poo footy.
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I'd be more concerned about our capt unable to kick clutch goals.
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Contested footy is not his thing
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He's full of poo.
An imposter.
He will be the one who lets this team down more tha anyone
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He's full of poo.
An imposter.
He will be the one who lets this team down more tha anyone
na hes not poo
some people have him AA ... lol
he has a lot of good attributes. he is quick, hes fast and hes got pace.
its just hard to carry BEllis in the same team as Newman, Grigg, Houli ...
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except none of them panic kick when not under pressure anywhere near as often as he does.
AA?
Absolute Arse
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except none of them panic kick when not under pressure anywhere near as often as he does.
AA?
Absolute Arse
none of them are young and have upside either
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4 years in and how many games? yet he panics when he doesnt have to and repeatedly turns the ball over. the forwards must want to throw rocks at him, i know i do.
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ND THE UNLUCKY ONES *
Matthew Boyd (WB),
Josh Bruce (StK),
Shaun Burgoyne (Haw),
Jeremy Cameron (GWS),
Alipate Carlile (PA),
Shane Edwards (Rich),
Jamie Elliott (Coll),
Brandon Ellis (Rich),
Josh Gibson (Haw),
Tom McDonald (Melb),
Jeremy McGovern (WC),
Robert Murphy (WB),
Easton Wood (WB).
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-21/the-all-australian-midyear-team
MATTHEW LLOYD’S ALL-AUSTRALIAN TEAM AFTER ROUND 11
B: Alex Rance (Richmond), Michael Hurley (Essendon), Dane Rampe (Sydney)
HB: Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn), Harry Taylor (Geelong), Easton Wood (Western Bulldogs)
C: Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood), Nathan Fyfe (Fremantle), Brandon Ellis (Richmond)
HF: Jamie Elliott (Collingwood), Josh Kennedy (West Coast), Daniel Hannebery (Sydney)
F: Eddie Betts (Adelaide), Lance Franklin (Sydney), Jack Riewoldt (Richmond)
FOLL: Aaron Sandilands (Fremantle), Matt Priddis (West Coast), Dylan Shiel (GWS)
INT: Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne), David Armitage (St Kilda), Shane Edwards (Richmond), Andrew Gaff (West Coast)
Coach: Adam Simpson (West Coast)
I am not his biggest fan
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well thats it case closed.
Lloyd has him in his all arse side so those of us see him panic kick when he is clear must be imagining it.
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http://www.afl.com.au had him in the top 35 in the league
someone seems to rate him
personally i think you can carry, if the rest of the 20 players contained less passengers
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rather than dredging up other morons views on him, why dont you tell us about the valid crtisisms being laid on him and why you dont think they are that important or what makes you think he can overcome them?
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rather than dredging up other morons views on him, why dont you tell us about the valid crtisisms being laid on him and why you dont think they are that important or what makes you think he can overcome them?
they may be morons but they are morons working for http://www.afl.com.au that happens to be the people running the sport.
imo - crtisisms being laid on him are very valid
i doubt he will over come them cause contested football is not his thing from my non expert opinion.
my advice would be continue to develop him in like Gaff - but get rid of the spuds like Newman, Houli, Grigg as you can only carry so many sub par players in a 22
Ellis has positive attributes that come in handy, when things are going well. This might have been what had http://www.afl.com.au consitiering him for the mid-season AA side
im assuming he has been coached to do those stuip chip kicks are team instruction
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i doubt he has been coached to throw the ball onto his boot without picking a target when he is clear. that to me is the biggest thing, because invariably it ends up in the oppositions hands.
im not overly concerned by him being a buffalo girl, they are always part of the mix, but they need to be polished disposes of the ball, something he is not.
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He used to be a good long kick and was always an excellent overhead mark - not even seen seeing that now. Just has no composure at all. We need to be aggressive and serious at the trade table this off -season and I'd seriously consider offering him up because he'd still have fair value.
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I understand the sentiment but would've thought there are 5 or 6 players who are more seasoned and don't have any upside that you would trade or retire ahead of a 21 year old in his 4th season.
That is actually the reason you WOULD trade him
The others have no value, no wants them. This kid would as I said get you a first rounder.
That's what this club needs to do
And for once I just wished they'd be brave at trade time.
This year is as good as any to start, be daring, be brave
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I believe Brandon to be a very good footballer, who just needs to be taken aside by the coaches to learn that he must eradicate the schoolyard kick stats from his game. I would also suggest that maybe some of the assistant coaches , rather than developing structures and video footage of such , actually identify weaknesses in players and focus in on changing those. All the structures and team rules in the world will not cover for individual errors. It's a bit like "if you build your house upon the sand......"
Although I don't agree with your thoughts on Ellis the footballer, I reckon your points about what the assistant coaches should be doing are great. It should be applied to all players
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I understand the sentiment but would've thought there are 5 or 6 players who are more seasoned and don't have any upside that you would trade or retire ahead of a 21 year old in his 4th season.
That is actually the reason you WOULD trade him
The others have no value, no wants them. This kid would as I said get you a first rounder.
That's what this club needs to do
And for once I just wished they'd be brave at trade time.
This year is as good as any to start, be daring, be brave
Exactly
No one wants grigg or houli
Wake up people
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A few clubs would probably take Grigg & Houli - they just wouldn't give us much for them.
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I understand the sentiment but would've thought there are 5 or 6 players who are more seasoned and don't have any upside that you would trade or retire ahead of a 21 year old in his 4th season.
That is actually the reason you WOULD trade him
The others have no value, no wants them. This kid would as I said get you a first rounder.
That's what this club needs to do
And for once I just wished they'd be brave at trade time.
This year is as good as any to start, be daring, be brave
No it's not. He's our best 21 yo footballer and you give up on him?
He might get better is all I'm saying.
Look at Titch, some are worth waiting for. Composure = Experience
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how is treloars composure?
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But, me might be the only guy who is actually worth a high pick, and we might be happy to give away
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how is treloars composure?
If u get it 35 times a game it doesn't matter. ;)
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anyone else and id consider that a pee take
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If u r spoken of as "the best player u22 in league' I'm assuming he's composed enough
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I remember when Hackson used to get it nearly 30 times a game around '08/09 ....Ellis gets a shyteload of it too...Treloar's a level above Ellis.....maybe even several levels....
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which is what i suspected.
ellis is the sort of player it would most likely take to get treloar.
it would also free up cap space.
...and the team is improved.
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What about depth ::)
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about 3 ft?
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about 3 ft?
From the ground? :shh
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how is treloars composure?
He's not being compared to Treloar, do you think Collingwood will trade their best 21 yo?
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So we don't trade Ellis for Treloar because we'll need Ellis for depth?
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how is treloars composure?
He's not being compared to Treloar, do you think Collingwood will trade their best 21 yo?
Don't know nor care what Collingwood would do but I'd trade our best 21 yo for a far superior 22 yo every day of the week.
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So we don't trade Ellis for Treloar because we'll need Ellis for depth?
Al nfi
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lmao, the question was directed at you georgie boy.
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Based on u and ur mates oxymorons
I am clearly pro trelor
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yeah but you think we can get him for a package of grigg and newman
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I'd said several times , one wants spuds like houli, Mr. Grigg
For picks in too 1oo, anyway
If u in charge of gws list and the reserves are kixkihg ass with 115 first rounders including number one draft picks, it makesno sense trading ppotentially best player for shauwn and pick/ s
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english please?
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Trade Ellis along with Conca......
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english please?
The Muslim has driven me to the squirt so u out of luck
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:lol
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The 2nd last shot at goal Freo had, the one that led to the Houli kick out brain fade was caused directly by Ellis refusing to go in and tackle a Freo bloke, refusing to go for a hard ball
You mean the one where he was going the ball, got an ugly bounce that bounced away from him and someone swooped in and took it? I know the guy can be soft and his kicking which was supposed to be good has suddenly become pretty average but I think you choose some unfair circumstances to criticise him on. Not many, if any at all, would've made that tackle. Laid one not long earlier and caused Hill to drop it straight to the ground in our F50, should of been holding the ball. Reckon if you watch the 5 minutes before that incident you'd see he does put his head over it when needed MOST of the time.
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Ellis (b) is not the primary probelm.
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If he runs a lot and is really fit that's (maybe, almost) enough
There are 21 other guys too
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still only 21
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how is treloars composure?
He's not being compared to Treloar, do you think Collingwood will trade their best 21 yo?
Don't know nor care what Collingwood would do but I'd trade our best 21 yo for a far superior 22 yo every day of the week.
I'm thinking both can be on our list at years end.
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english please?
The Muslim has driven me to the squirt so u out of luck
LOL
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how is treloars composure?
He's not being compared to Treloar, do you think Collingwood will trade their best 21 yo?
Don't know nor care what Collingwood would do but I'd trade our best 21 yo for a far superior 22 yo every day of the week.
I'm thinking both can be on our list at years end.
If not Ellis then, who and/or what do you think we should give up to get Treloar?
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He's as thick as bricks
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Well he certainly excretes enough of them during the course of a match.
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:lol :lol :lol
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Kane Johnson board
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how is treloars composure?
He's not being compared to Treloar, do you think Collingwood will trade their best 21 yo?
Don't know nor care what Collingwood would do but I'd trade our best 21 yo for a far superior 22 yo every day of the week.
I'm thinking both can be on our list at years end.
If not Ellis then, who and/or what do you think we should give up to get Treloar?
Conca plus our first round?
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how is treloars composure?
He's not being compared to Treloar, do you think Collingwood will trade their best 21 yo?
Don't know nor care what Collingwood would do but I'd trade our best 21 yo for a far superior 22 yo every day of the week.
I'm thinking both can be on our list at years end.
If not Ellis then, who and/or what do you think we should give up to get Treloar?
Reckon our first round pick and an emerging young player would do the trick. Who that is will depend on how hard Collingwood or the Roos go. Neither had a reputation for letting go of good players or draft picks so I'm certain we won't need to let go of anyone as established as Ellis Brandon.
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Elton was signed for a reason :shh :lol
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I thought Brandon was one of our best yesterday. He was influential with his possessions. Showed courage too, such as flying back with the flight of the ball to take that contested mark across half-back.
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I thought Brandon was one of our best yesterday. He was influential with his possessions. Showed courage too, such as flying back with the flight of the ball to take that contested mark across half-back.
Needs this performance week in week out now though.
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Went back to crapping himself in tight tonight.
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Went back to crapping himself in tight tonight.
Yep was terrible
Some really poor efforts in attacking the contests
But some outstanding efforts at pulling out of contests
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looked backwards when he took possession moving forwards on occasion too :banghead
have seen nothing to change my opinion that he is the player that would get something good at the trade table that i wouldnt care letting go
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Need to find his big boy pants stat.
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He is an outside player only. One of the hardest runners in our team and thus provides a role that only a few others can. Would love it if he was harder but that is him. Maybe with another couple of seasons that part will improve. Still young in footy terms.
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Played well last night. Good form going into the finals. :clapping
:gotigers
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He is an outside player only. One of the hardest runners in our team and thus provides a role that only a few others can. Would love it if he was harder but that is him. Maybe with another couple of seasons that part will improve. Still young in footy terms.
I appreciate that he's an outside player but that doesn't excuse some of his efforts and complete lack of composure when he had any physical pressure applied on him last night. I don't expect him to be an extractor but he should be able to get his hands free and make ok decisions when he feels contact in his 4th year.
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Played well last night. Good form going into the finals. :clapping
:gotigers
Haven't watched the replay and I am assuming you weren't at the game but he didn't play well last night.
Back to the bad days, pulling out of contests when he heard footsteps. Extremely disappointing efforts last night
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if we don't win the clearances then Ellis wont dominate..hes a true outside mid and relies un the likes of cotch,miles ,getting the ball to him
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You could have him pretty easy. Due to his positive attributes.
If you only had b Ellis.
As opposed to b Ellis. Bacha. Grigg.
Was it jack dyer that said a good team can carry one squib?
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if we don't win the clearances then Ellis wont dominate..hes a true outside mid and relies un the likes of cotch,miles ,getting the ball to him
Yep
Not everyone needs to be inside. Out of the 21
Gaff @ wce
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I actually thought Brandon played well. He was cleaner than most with the wet pill.
I'll admit I didn't watch him closely in the contest though.
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if we don't win the clearances then Ellis wont dominate..hes a true outside mid and relies un the likes of cotch,miles ,getting the ball to him
Yep
Not everyone needs to be inside. Out of the 21
Gaff @ wce
I don't mean to labour the point but i was actually going to use Gaff as an example of someone who is clearly an outside player who unlike Brandon still accepts contact and makes ok decisions in tight. There are plenty who can.
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if we don't win the clearances then Ellis wont dominate..hes a true outside mid and relies un the likes of cotch,miles ,getting the ball to him
Yep
Not everyone needs to be inside. Out of the 21
Gaff @ wce
I don't mean to labour the point but i was actually going to use Gaff as an example of someone who is clearly an outside player who unlike Brandon still accepts contact and makes ok decisions in tight. There are plenty who can.
sometimes, B Ellis does do this
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I actually thought Brandon played well. He was cleaner than most with the wet pill.
I'll admit I didn't watch him closely in the contest though.
That was just an illusion caused by the fact it was wet and everybody else was playing crap.
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Ellis wants to become a genuine midfielder rather than just an outside player.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-10-28/ellis-season-review-2015
* I guess overall, it was probably an okay year for me, I think. I thought I started off okay, was just a bit average after that and then, middle of the year, before the bye, I found some really good form. Then I think the second half of the year was just a bit up and down. My so-called bad games this year were a bit better than last year, so there’s an improvement there. But I expect better of myself each week. I don’t like playing poorly, I hate letting the team down.
* Last year I had a fair bit of rebound-50s and not too many inside-50s. I think it was the opposite this year. I got a lot more of the ball in the front half and delivered it into the forward line. The coaches were pretty happy about that but overall they’d like to see me become a midfielder now, not just a wingman. I need to add a couple more strings to my bow, so it’s harder for opposition teams to try and shut me down.
* I’ll be doing a lot of contested stuff this preseason, working really closely with Cotchy and Milesy, who are the best contested-ball players in the team. Once I get that side of my game pretty consistent, I’ll be a better player and the Club will be better for it.
* It’ll be my fifth year in the system, so there are no excuses. I guess I’m one of the leaders and one of the older guys now in the group. So I’ve got to stand up and take my game to a new level. I want to come back from the off-season break in pretty good shape, and give myself the best opportunity to smash pre-season. Work to become an inside midfielder and not just a wingman.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-28/ellis-hungry-to-improve
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They gonna butch him up?
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"Cotchy and Milesy, who are the best contested-ball players in the team" Cotchin really?????? Go watch the final against the Roos again Ellis.
Well you had trade value this year, work towards that for next year please.. :thumbsup
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"Cotchy and Milesy, who are the best contested-ball players in the team" Cotchin really?????? Go watch the final against the Roos again Ellis.
Well you had trade value this year, work towards that for next year please.. :thumbsup
We all know he had a shocker in the EF. However, overall he is up there as our best contested ball winner. His third quarter against Sydney was almost superhuman. He is both inside and outside when on song. His problem is that the opposition put guys on him who are not interested in winning their own ball. They face him at all times and scrag him every chance they have. He needs to get better at handling that but also needs his teammates to get between him and his tagger.
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Credit to Ellis for not talking himself up and admitting he was average :clapping
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I could live with him being a purely outside squib if he could get back his marking ability that deserted him last year and the penetrating long kicks we haven't seen for at least two years. Still prime trade bait for mine though.
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"Cotchy and Milesy, who are the best contested-ball players in the team" Cotchin really?????? Go watch the final against the Roos again Ellis.
Well you had trade value this year, work towards that for next year please.. :thumbsup
Come on WA!
You are better than that.
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Ellis is a moron and it's not his fault.
He's just a dumbass.
As such - F H O !!
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I simply cannot have this guy.
He is the most scared Tiger I have ever seen.
And I've said this before- he is scared of getting hurt but some players are just a bit softer than others and I except that, but this hole is scared of making a mistake when he has the footy in hand which IMO is the worst type of scared. How many times do you see him take a mark and look sideways or behind for the easy release kick, so he doesn't have to take responsibility himself.
It makes me angry just thinking about this kid!
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And his mate conca, is the Jarryd Haynes of AFL Footy.
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I simply cannot have this guy.
He is the most scared Tiger I have ever seen.
And I've said this before- he is scared of getting hurt but some players are just a bit softer than others and I except that, but this behindhole is scared of making a mistake when he has the footy in hand which IMO is the worst type of scared. How many times do you see him take a mark and look sideways or behind for the easy release kick, so he doesn't have to take responsibility himself.
It makes me angry just thinking about this kid!
He must know doesn't belong out there.....
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And his mate conca, is the Jarryd Haynes of AFL Footy.
The thing with Conca is he is just an average footballer. He has nothing to his game that could project him to be better than what he is now. He is a very average kick, doesn't read the game well and fumbles when he does go near it. That's what makes it so staggering how FJ could use pick 6 on this kid. I'll give him one thing, he does have a go.
He is not in my best 22 at the club but neither is Ellis. Both disappointing picks IMO.
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One of the youngest ever to make AA and isn't in Richmond's best 22 apparently. Not a huge fan either but come on, ya got NFI if you reckon he isnt in our best team :lol
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yes, obviously some upside
if he were they only squib it wouldnt look quite so bad
but you are also carrying, houli, grigg, chappy,
it comes undone were there are too many
plenty of room for B Ellis in the side for mine, if they can get some other areas right
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One of the youngest ever to make AA and isn't in Richmond's best 22 apparently. Not a huge fan either but come on, ya got NFI if you reckon he isnt in our best team :lol
Alcoholics anonymous ?
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And his mate conca, is the Jarryd Haynes of AFL Footy.
The thing with Conca is he is just an average footballer. He has nothing to his game that could project him to be better than what he is now. He is a very average kick, doesn't read the game well and fumbles when he does go near it. That's what makes it so staggering how FJ could use pick 6 on this kid. I'll give him one thing, he does have a go.
He is not in my best 22 at the club but neither is Ellis. Both disappointing picks IMO.
Yes, big Tone.
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One of the youngest ever to make AA and isn't in Richmond's best 22 apparently. Not a huge fan either but come on, ya got NFI if you reckon he isnt in our best team :lol
Alcoholics anonymous ?
All Australian, Sauron. Best 22 players of the season
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Three Richmond players have been selected in the 2014 All-Australian squad of 40.
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Not best 22 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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One of the youngest ever to make AA and isn't in Richmond's best 22 apparently. Not a huge fan either but come on, ya got NFI if you reckon he isnt in our best team :lol
When did he make the AA side? This will be interesting?
Maybe it's you with NFI.
I cannot wait for this back pedal.
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One of the youngest ever to make AA and isn't in Richmond's best 22 apparently. Not a huge fan either but come on, ya got NFI if you reckon he isnt in our best team :lol
Alcoholics anonymous ?
All Australian, Sauron. Best 22 players of the season
And again!! :lol
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I would say, you guys are probably correct.
He is in the best 22.....that's the problem.
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Thought overall he plateaued this year which was disappointing.
If he's going to play that outside role he needs to do more offensively but he didn't. In fact he seemed genuinely scared of having shots at goal this year. Had the yips. Also seems too one paced. Just doesn't possess a burst of speed. Too often looks to be labouring from contest to contest.
He might make a lot lot of them but his influence on them is minimal.
On the positive side of the ledger he's an excellent contested mark and has a hugeworkrate but it's often misplaced.
He's def best 22 currently(talk otherwise is silly), but my sense is he's be far better suited to the role that Hunt plays. HBFlanker/wing.
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Thought overall he plateaued this year which was disappointing.
If he's going to play that outside role he needs to do more offensively but he didn't. In fact he seemed genuinely scared of having shots at goal this year. Had the yips. Also seems too one paced. Just doesn't possess a burst of speed. Too often looks to be labouring from contest to contest.
He might make a lot lot of them but his influence on them is minimal.
On the positive side of the ledger he's an excellent contested mark and has a hugeworkrate but it's often misplaced.
He's def best 22 currently(talk otherwise is silly), but my sense is he's be far better suited to the role that Hunt plays. HBFlanker/wing.
Good summary MM. I agree with your sentiments.
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If he was a surfer, he'd be the cameraman in the tube
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If he was a surfer, he'd be the cameraman in the tube
He would be the commentator.
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And he'd be commentating on the set that had already happened.
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And he'd be commentating on the set that had already happened.
He would be At the wrong stuffing beach.
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Kind of a Reserves AA.
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One of the youngest ever to make AA and isn't in Richmond's best 22 apparently. Not a huge fan either but come on, ya got NFI if you reckon he isnt in our best team :lol
Alcoholics anonymous ?
All Australian, Sauron. Best 22 players of the season
And again!! :lol
New interchange cap will suit him
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why'd my reply to Big tone get deleted?
again, i stand corrected. ellis was in the squad of 40, not the final 22. which means he was only in the top 40 players in the comp but apparently not in our best 22. concerns me greatly
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Bit of discussion in another thread so it's time for a poll.
big tone says Ellis is no good and should be cut, but what does the majority of OER think? Let's find out!!!!
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I know we are all upset about losing 3 Elimination finals in a row , but this is madness . Total madness.
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Was in the 22under22. One of only two do do it the past 5 years just quietly :shh
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Would much rather Castagna running around and kicking it to our forwards :lol
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Good player who could be very good if was more composed under pressure.
Had a poor final but at 22 should be made a scapegoat ::)
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Yes he is in the best 22 at the moment but that is indicative of some below average players in the team that need to go. If we have a few players come through and pick up some more decent players next year in the FA :whistle....unless he improved then he could be forced out.
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Can't have grigg and b Ellis
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In all the confusion about Ellis being named AA I made a mistake too. What I should have written was "Ellis not in my starting 18" as per my side I named in another thread.
Anyway all jokes aside, if there is even a debate about this kid he needs to knuckle down and work on things we all see wrong with his game. But he is not the Lone Ranger there.
The one thing the kid does do is find the footy which is half the battle, now he just needs to work on having the confidence to take the game on when he desposes of it.
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Can't have grigg and b Ellis
But we all thought you loved Grigg? :lol
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He runs himself ragged and gets to lots of contests. As such he can be stuffed when he gets there but its a good attitude. At least he runs around, at times our team is stationary. Id keep him.
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Can't have grigg and b Ellis
But we all thought you loved Grigg? :lol
The point is they are too similar, outside, soft.
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Should have traded him last summer. We would have got something real purty for 'im.
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Was in the 22under22. One of only two do do it the past 5 years just quietly :shh
according to who ?
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why'd my reply to Big tone get deleted?
again, i stand corrected. ellis was in the squad of 40, not the final 22. which means he was only in the top 40 players in the comp but apparently not in our best 22. concerns me greatly
Not this year was it? I believe he was in some of the media's 40 squad but not the official AFL's 40. We had Rance, Jack, Dusty and Lids in the top 40.
Ellis' form in the first half of the year would have pushed for AA. He dropped off to much.
And personally I think he's not a complete squib - have seen him cop a hit or two but could certainly be tougher...
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Less Squibby than his fellow outside wingman
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fell away a bit this year. seems to be carrying a niggle
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Kid had an excellent year by and large.
Faded a bit late in the season, got tagged out completely in the EF. Shame some people are hating on him so much for that - personally I'm most disappointed with blokes like Lids and Cotchin, our 'leaders' who 100% DID NOT STAND UP.
He's just turned 22. Definitely in our best team. He's not even anywhere in our worst half dozen lol.
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Was in the 22under22. One of only two do do it the past 5 years just quietly :shh
according to who ?
Dunno why I said 5 I was meant to say three but alas google it
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Less Squibby than his fellow outside wingman
Let me guess. Grigg? ::)
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Kid had an excellent year by and large.
Faded a bit late in the season, got tagged out completely in the EF. Shame some people are hating on him so much for that - personally I'm most disappointed with blokes like Lids and Cotchin, our 'leaders' who 100% DID NOT STAND UP.
He's just turned 22. Definitely in our best team. He's not even anywhere in our worst half dozen lol.
Hes not anywhere near the best 12, is he ?
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Should have traded him last summer. We would have got something real purty for 'im.
whilst this is true, we decided to keep him.
IMO, this is the general attitude across the board.
'WE HAVE THE GOODS' -which is just crazy. you have to admit
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Should have traded him last summer. We would have got something real purty for 'im.
whilst this is true, we decided to keep him.
IMO, this is the general attitude across the board.
'WE HAVE THE GOODS' -which is just crazy. you have to admit
I don't think people think we have the goods. I think many think we have 75-80% of the goods and we need to somehow get that extra 20-25% through trading and drafting. We "only" got Yarran and Townsend but they may be more than we think - they may add 10%. Improvement in Lennon, CEllis and Butler and Menadue may inch us closer. Pick 12 may add a few more %.
We just have to wait and see.
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reckon an injury free Corey ellis might give us a big lift
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I think this season was his maturing year.
I think he will cement his place in our top 10 players next year.
Coming along ok.
I believe a lot of you not in his camp are being a fraction impatient.
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Kid had an excellent year by and large.
Faded a bit late in the season, got tagged out completely in the EF. Shame some people are hating on him so much for that - personally I'm most disappointed with blokes like Lids and Cotchin, our 'leaders' who 100% DID NOT STAND UP.
He's just turned 22. Definitely in our best team. He's not even anywhere in our worst half dozen lol.
Hes not anywhere near the best 12, is he ?
He probably is to be honest. How about you rank the team's best 1 to 22, and show me where you think Ellis belongs?
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Would be in the best 12, those above him
Lids
Cotch
Martin
Miles
Rance
Riewoldt
Maric
Vlastuin
Plus probably a couple of others I forgot
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Kid had an excellent year by and large.
Faded a bit late in the season, got tagged out completely in the EF. Shame some people are hating on him so much for that - personally I'm most disappointed with blokes like Lids and Cotchin, our 'leaders' who 100% DID NOT STAND UP.
He's just turned 22. Definitely in our best team. He's not even anywhere in our worst half dozen lol.
Hes not anywhere near the best 12, is he ?
He probably is to be honest. How about you rank the team's best 1 to 22, and show me where you think Ellis belongs?
Lids, rance, dusty, chimp, jack are for mine the clear top bracket
Then you have Maric, miles, yarren, vlastuin, titch, grimes
I'd have b Ellis in the third group. Yet for mine the like of Lennon, Mcintosh, c Ellis types hve shown more promising signs. You also have McBean and Townsend that are pretty much unknowns
B Ellis might be closer to the bottom six than you think. Not a bad thing; i rather b Ellis on the bench than Newman or grigg, at least he's young with upside. For all his faults.
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B Ellis is far above all those in Group C and even in front of some of those in B, Yarren and Grimes.......your reaching there
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To me, his name means, " consistent wasted opportunities"
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Kid had an excellent year by and large.
Faded a bit late in the season, got tagged out completely in the EF. Shame some people are hating on him so much for that - personally I'm most disappointed with blokes like Lids and Cotchin, our 'leaders' who 100% DID NOT STAND UP.
He's just turned 22. Definitely in our best team. He's not even anywhere in our worst half dozen lol.
Hes not anywhere near the best 12, is he ?
He probably is to be honest. How about you rank the team's best 1 to 22, and show me where you think Ellis belongs?
Lids, rance, dusty, chimp, jack are for mine the clear top bracket
Then you have Maric, miles, yarren, vlastuin, titch, grimes
I'd have b Ellis in the third group. Yet for mine the like of Lennon, Mcintosh, c Ellis types hve shown more promising signs. You also have McBean and Townsend that are pretty much unknowns
B Ellis might be closer to the bottom six than you think. Not a bad thing; i rather b Ellis on the bench than Newman or grigg, at least he's young with upside. For all his faults.
So you have a top group of 5... (5 total)
... followed by a middle group of 6... (11 total)
...then throw Ellis into the next group of 6 (ranks 12-17) suggesting that blokes like C Ellis are more promising, whereas McBean and Townsend are unknown.
So given that C Ellis has shown only a glimpse, McBean and Townsend have shown absolutely FA, and McIntosh + Lennon are probably just coming good in 2015 then B Ellis really is in fact in or very close to our top 12, and not even close to our bottom 6.
IMO he's comfortably in our top 12. Soft or not, he's still averaging 26 disposals, 6+ marks and 3+ tackles a game this year. Don't know if that's more of a credit to him or indictment on our club...?
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Kid had an excellent year by and large.
Faded a bit late in the season, got tagged out completely in the EF. Shame some people are hating on him so much for that - personally I'm most disappointed with blokes like Lids and Cotchin, our 'leaders' who 100% DID NOT STAND UP.
He's just turned 22. Definitely in our best team. He's not even anywhere in our worst half dozen lol.
Hes not anywhere near the best 12, is he ?
He probably is to be honest. How about you rank the team's best 1 to 22, and show me where you think Ellis belongs?
Lids, rance, dusty, chimp, jack are for mine the clear top bracket
Then you have Maric, miles, yarren, vlastuin, titch, grimes
I'd have b Ellis in the third group. Yet for mine the like of Lennon, Mcintosh, c Ellis types hve shown more promising signs. You also have McBean and Townsend that are pretty much unknowns
B Ellis might be closer to the bottom six than you think. Not a bad thing; i rather b Ellis on the bench than Newman or grigg, at least he's young with upside. For all his faults.
So you have a top group of 5... (5 total)
... followed by a middle group of 6... (11 total)
...then throw Ellis into the next group of 6 (ranks 12-17) suggesting that blokes like C Ellis are more promising, whereas McBean and Townsend are unknown.
So given that C Ellis has shown only a glimpse, McBean and Townsend have shown absolutely FA, and McIntosh + Lennon are probably just coming good in 2015 then B Ellis really is in fact in or very close to our top 12, and not even close to our bottom 6.
IMO he's comfortably in our top 12. Soft or not, he's still averaging 26 disposals, 6+ marks and 3+ tackles a game this year. Don't know if that's more of a credit to him or indictment on our club...?
I left out conca. Bacha houli. Too in an attempt to stimulate discussion. Unsuccessfully.
B Ellis is far above all those in Group C and even in front of some of those in B, Yarren and Grimes.......your reaching there
I rate grimes pretty highly. Personally.
I'd be worse for Richmond to have grimes do an ACL, than b Ellis. For mine.
i dont think its reaching at all to claim grimes is a key pillar of our side these days. More so in future years if his body holds together.
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Kid had an excellent year by and large.
Faded a bit late in the season, got tagged out completely in the EF. Shame some people are hating on him so much for that - personally I'm most disappointed with blokes like Lids and Cotchin, our 'leaders' who 100% DID NOT STAND UP.
He's just turned 22. Definitely in our best team. He's not even anywhere in our worst half dozen lol.
Hes not anywhere near the best 12, is he ?
He probably is to be honest. How about you rank the team's best 1 to 22, and show me where you think Ellis belongs?
Lids, rance, dusty, chimp, jack are for mine the clear top bracket
Then you have Maric, miles, yarren, vlastuin, titch, grimes
I'd have b Ellis in the third group. Yet for mine the like of Lennon, Mcintosh, c Ellis types hve shown more promising signs. You also have McBean and Townsend that are pretty much unknowns
B Ellis might be closer to the bottom six than you think. Not a bad thing; i rather b Ellis on the bench than Newman or grigg, at least he's young with upside. For all his faults.
So you have a top group of 5... (5 total)
... followed by a middle group of 6... (11 total)
...then throw Ellis into the next group of 6 (ranks 12-17) suggesting that blokes like C Ellis are more promising, whereas McBean and Townsend are unknown.
So given that C Ellis has shown only a glimpse, McBean and Townsend have shown absolutely FA, and McIntosh + Lennon are probably just coming good in 2015 then B Ellis really is in fact in or very close to our top 12, and not even close to our bottom 6.
IMO he's comfortably in our top 12. Soft or not, he's still averaging 26 disposals, 6+ marks and 3+ tackles a game this year. Don't know if that's more of a credit to him or indictment on our club...?
I left out conca. Bacha houli. Too in an attempt to stimulate discussion. Unsuccessfully.
Are those two in the bottom 6?
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Are they in the best 12?
To me, his name means, " consistent wasted opportunities"
what do;
Morris
Lloyd
Hunt
Grigg
Batchelor
translate to in your native language ?
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I left out conca. Bacha houli.
You mean the guy you consistently call a list clogger
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Are they in the best 12?
To me, his name means, " consistent wasted opportunities"
what do;
Morris
Lloyd
Hunt
Grigg
Batchelor
translate to in your native language ?
Morris -Stumbles
Lloyd-Lazy
Hunt-Annoying trier
Grigg-Newman mkII
Batchelor - Depth
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Grigg plays nothing like Newman lol
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Are they in the best 12?
To me, his name means, " consistent wasted opportunities"
what do;
Morris
Lloyd
Hunt
Grigg
Batchelor
translate to in your native language ?
Morris -Stumbles
Lloyd-Lazy
Hunt-Annoying trier
Grigg-Newman mkII
Batchelor - Depth
Really? What kind of a critique is that?
He's no good because he's not good looking enough as well?
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Because he tries but he usually stuffs up as he's crap.....which is quite annoying ....not that stuffing hard to work out....
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When did it become so popular to start questioning this guy.
Yes he has his deficiencies, but I would have thought a guy who made the AA top 40 as a 21 year old and still averaged 25 touches this year as a 22 year old, who lives and breathes for the club and (IMO) has a huge ceiling of potential still to achieve wouldn't be questioned as to best 22 material.
I know for a fact opposition put a lot of effort into countering/stopping him.
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I think everyone knows clubs put effort into stopping this guy, just look at the EF. But is that necessarily a good thing? Look at Ablett, Fyfe, Danger and probably some others. All they mostly get is head to head match ups because coaches know if you send a tagger to them they'll still rack up 20+ touches while you're tagger does diddly squat. Ellis though? He gets tagged and he goes into hiding, clubs know it and that's why they bother doing it.
Also, I don't expect every body to be as good as those players listed but it'd be nice if we had at least one who was "untagable"
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i wish someone would put a lot of effort into stopping him from blazing away when he doesnt need to and turning the stuffing ball over
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Its just an annoying GenY trait to expect a young player to be an instant champion. If he doesn't win a Brownlow/Coleman/Premiership/B&F in his first year then the highly inarticulate sledge of 'his a dud' isn't far behind. So many people fail to realize how much harder the AFL is compared to just one league down. State leagues, TAC & VFL leagues are miles behind the standard required in the AFL & it takes the very best young players years to make the transition.
If every 22yo player we have at the club was as good in his role as B Ellis is right now we would be in a very very good place! ;D
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is the notion that e and i make the same sound and are interchangeable a gen y trait too?
actualy, WTF does gen y refer to?
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He's a champion.
We need 21 others like him......wait..........
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is the notion that e and i make the same sound and are interchangeable a gen y trait too?
actualy, WTF does gen y refer to?
No, its just that spell-checkers don't question the word "his" when they really meant to write he's ... as in 'he is' ... but who's got time for an apostrophe these days? Blame our shonky education system too. (If I sound like an old guy it's because I am one! 50+ :P )
After GenY comes GenZ, then comes ... err? It's a commentary on how close we are to the end .... :snidegrin
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When did it become so popular to start questioning this guy.
You arent reading peoples posts it seems. Aspects of this guys game have come under heavy scrutiny on this sire on a continual basis. Even the bloke who keeps us under control has been highly critical.
I will say it as nice as i can. I DONT THINK I HAVE SEEN ANY TIGER PLAYER SHIRK CONTESTS MORE THAN THIS BLOKE.And this is a team with the likes of Grigg Vickery Houli and soon to be Yarran. in it. I could name a few others as well but wont. The worst of them all is little Branden what a softie.
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Anyone who thinks Vickery is soft is stupid. sorry
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He's more the lazy kind of soft than the gutless kind of soft.....
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He's more the lazy kind of soft than the gutless kind of soft.....
This.
His lack of chasing and playing behind his man waiting for the easy out the back goal, kills the team, as it rarely works out for him.
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He's more the lazy kind of soft than the gutless kind of soft.....
And yet within club circles he's considered about the hardest working/running player on our list.
Go figure?
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He's more the lazy kind of soft than the gutless kind of soft.....
And yet within club circles he's considered about the hardest working/running player on our list.
Go figure?
To those who are guided home by labradors....
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He's more the lazy kind of soft than the gutless kind of soft.....
And yet within club circles he's considered about the hardest working/running player on our list.
Go figure?
At training or in actual matches?
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Think Dougeytheacademic is a bit confused and hasn't been reading the whole conversation.
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I would care
Care to know what we would get for him
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He's more the lazy kind of soft than the gutless kind of soft.....
This.
His lack of chasing and playing behind his man waiting for the easy out the back goal, kills the team, as it rarely works out for him.
And yet runs the most
After his 36 touch game 2014, in which he won a boomerang for BOG
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“I think he’s had a pretty consistent year,” said Richmond’s coach Damien Hardwick.
“He’s a guy that’s got enormous work-rate, and he started to find that he can actually run players into the ground.
“His tank is enormous, he’s found what works for him . . . it’s really one of his weapons that he can actually use.
“He’s watched a lot of tape of some players that work in a similar manner, so he’s starting to get into his footy, which is great.”
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I don't think his fitness is an issue
He isn't the only one is the team that doesn't like defending
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Think Dougeytheacademic is a bit confused and hasn't been reading the whole conversation.
I think some are confused in general around ere
How can he be lazy if he's one If the best runners in the league?
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Its just an annoying GenY trait to expect a young player to be an instant champion. If he doesn't win a Brownlow/Coleman/Premiership/B&F in his first year then the highly inarticulate sledge of 'his a dud' isn't far behind. So many people fail to realize how much harder the AFL is compared to just one league down. State leagues, TAC & VFL leagues are miles behind the standard required in the AFL & it takes the very best young players years to make the transition.
If every 22yo player we have at the club was as good in his role as B Ellis is right now we would be in a very very good place! ;D
What's the excuse for the 26/27/28/29 year old duds on te list?
Gen y problem somehow no doubt
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He's more the lazy kind of soft than the gutless kind of soft.....
This.
His lack of chasing and playing behind his man waiting for the easy out the back goal, kills the team, as it rarely works out for him.
And yet runs the most
After his 36 touch game 2014, in which he won a boomerang for BOG
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“I think he’s had a pretty consistent year,” said Richmond’s coach Damien Hardwick.
“He’s a guy that’s got enormous work-rate, and he started to find that he can actually run players into the ground.
“His tank is enormous, he’s found what works for him . . . it’s really one of his weapons that he can actually use.
“He’s watched a lot of tape of some players that work in a similar manner, so he’s starting to get into his footy, which is great.”
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I don't think his fitness is an issue
He isn't the only one is the team that doesn't like defending
We were talking about Vickery. ....
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Not a lot of love for Brandon at times ...
Compared to his peers - he has done quite well.
Played the second most number of games from the class of 2011
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2011&t=N&s=P
Should we of taken someone else at 15 ? Who ?
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Think we did the best we could at pick 15. Ah chee, brad hill, talia ? The only others I could see being handy
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Should have been traded along with Conca' Batchelor and Morris.
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Gotta love the posters who bag the poo out of our players for worthless sacks of poo and then fully expect to get overs on trade value
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Then they should just be peeed off out of the team then if they have no trade value.
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Gotta love the posters who bag the poo out of our players for worthless sacks of poo and then fully expect to get overs on trade value
Tell me about it.
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Gotta love the posters who bag the poo out of our players for worthless sacks of poo and then fully expect to get overs on trade value
Rest assured Chucky, plenty of clubs have received overs for their spuds over the years....surely as this board's most ardent critic of
Hamspud, you would be well aware of this...
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Not a lot of love for Brandon at times ...
Compared to his peers - he has done quite well.
Played the second most number of games from the class of 2011
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2011&t=N&s=P
Should we of taken someone else at 15 ? Who ?
Said it before, will say it again
It's not just about quantity it's about quality
Brandon may get plenty of the ball but it's what he does with them is the issue....
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On his way to becoming an A grade whipping boy.
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On his way to becoming an A grade whipping boy.
Already there, Willy.
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Not a lot of love for Brandon at times ...
Compared to his peers - he has done quite well.
Played the second most number of games from the class of 2011
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2011&t=N&s=P
Should we of taken someone else at 15 ? Who ?
Said it before, will say it again
It's not just about quantity it's about quality
Brandon may get plenty of the ball but it's what he does with them is the issue....
Where as hunt bachelor Morris grigg types kick beautifully
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Not a lot of love for Brandon at times ...
Compared to his peers - he has done quite well.
Played the second most number of games from the class of 2011
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2011&t=N&s=P
Should we of taken someone else at 15 ? Who ?
Said it before, will say it again
It's not just about quantity it's about quality
Brandon may get plenty of the ball but it's what he does with them is the issue....
This.
Called it from day one too, his kicking is suspect and hasn't improved.
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Has a habit of slinging the ball on the boot and hoping for the best rather than having a creative footy brain. Yes plenty of possesions but those that actually hurt opposition teams you could count on one hand per game. He needs to start breaking lines and delivering the ball into our forward line with more precision. Cant believe our coaches cant see this weakness in his game or if they do and have been working on it then maybe he is just incapable of lifting to another level.
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No apparently Supercoach 7 of 9 will be too busy trying to turn him an inside player this year...
....and for his next trick after that, he'll be teaching cats to swim.....
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Has a habit of slinging the ball on the boot and hoping for the best rather than having a creative footy brain. Yes plenty of possesions but those that actually hurt opposition teams you could count on one hand per game. He needs to start breaking lines and delivering the ball into our forward line with more precision. Cant believe our coaches cant see this weakness in his game or if they do and have been working on it then maybe he is just incapable of lifting to another level.
See, that's just rubbish. His disp eff % is 73%. Dusty's is 67% (for comparison). He can actually dispose of it quite well, he doesn't butcher it nearly as frequently as some here would have you think. IMO his decision making is far more questionable.
Some things to keep in mind when judging Brandon. He's 22! He's played (well) under 100 games (69 infact). He still averages 7 contested possessions per game, which could be better but certainly isn't the cherry picking outside runner that again, people would have us believe he is. I'm still of the opinion he will be a very important cog in this team in years to come. I would like to see him, as you said, break more lines, take the game on, especially later on in games when elite fitness and running starts to become a trump card.
Stats found on http://www.afl.com.au/stats
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Has a habit of slinging the ball on the boot and hoping for the best rather than having a creative footy brain. Yes plenty of possesions but those that actually hurt opposition teams you could count on one hand per game. He needs to start breaking lines and delivering the ball into our forward line with more precision. Cant believe our coaches cant see this weakness in his game or if they do and have been working on it then maybe he is just incapable of lifting to another level.
See, that's just rubbish. His disp eff % is 73%. Dusty's is 67% (for comparison). He can actually dispose of it quite well, he doesn't butcher it nearly as frequently as some here would have you think. IMO his decision making is far more questionable.
Some things to keep in mind when judging Brandon. He's 22! He's played (well) under 100 games (69 infact). He still averages 7 contested possessions per game, which could be better but certainly isn't the cherry picking outside runner that again, people would have us believe he is. I'm still of the opinion he will be a very important cog in this team in years to come. I would like to see him, as you said, break more lines, take the game on, especially later on in games when elite fitness and running starts to become a trump card.
Stats found on http://www.afl.com.au/stats
well said Dougy
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Has a habit of slinging the ball on the boot and hoping for the best rather than having a creative footy brain. Yes plenty of possesions but those that actually hurt opposition teams you could count on one hand per game. He needs to start breaking lines and delivering the ball into our forward line with more precision. Cant believe our coaches cant see this weakness in his game or if they do and have been working on it then maybe he is just incapable of lifting to another level.
See, that's just rubbish. His disp eff % is 73%. Dusty's is 67% (for comparison). He can actually dispose of it quite well, he doesn't butcher it nearly as frequently as some here would have you think. IMO his decision making is far more questionable.
Some things to keep in mind when judging Brandon. He's 22! He's played (well) under 100 games (69 infact). He still averages 7 contested possessions per game, which could be better but certainly isn't the cherry picking outside runner that again, people would have us believe he is. I'm still of the opinion he will be a very important cog in this team in years to come. I would like to see him, as you said, break more lines, take the game on, especially later on in games when elite fitness and running starts to become a trump card.
Stats found on http://www.afl.com.au/stats
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No. The page you linked has nothing to do with Brandon Ellis.
No. His disposal efficiency is 73% which includes handball. His kicking efficiency is closer to 50%.
No. Dusty gets the ball under greater duress and has more contested possessions of late 2015 and since, hence his lesser disposal efficiency. Ellis gets cheaper uncontested ball. .
No. Dusty kicks longer. Margin for error is greater. Ellis dinky kicks 20m across half back as his bread and butter.
Thanks for coming. I accept your apology
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Has a habit of slinging the ball on the boot and hoping for the best rather than having a creative footy brain. Yes plenty of possesions but those that actually hurt opposition teams you could count on one hand per game. He needs to start breaking lines and delivering the ball into our forward line with more precision. Cant believe our coaches cant see this weakness in his game or if they do and have been working on it then maybe he is just incapable of lifting to another level.
See, that's just rubbish. His disp eff % is 73%. Dusty's is 67% (for comparison). He can actually dispose of it quite well, he doesn't butcher it nearly as frequently as some here would have you think. IMO his decision making is far more questionable.
Some things to keep in mind when judging Brandon. He's 22! He's played (well) under 100 games (69 infact). He still averages 7 contested possessions per game, which could be better but certainly isn't the cherry picking outside runner that again, people would have us believe he is. I'm still of the opinion he will be a very important cog in this team in years to come. I would like to see him, as you said, break more lines, take the game on, especially later on in games when elite fitness and running starts to become a trump card.
Stats found on http://www.afl.com.au/stats
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No. The page you linked has nothing to do with Brandon Ellis.
No. His disposal efficiency is 73% which includes handball. His kicking efficiency is closer to 50%.
No. Dusty gets the ball under greater duress and has more contested possessions of late 2015 and since, hence his lesser disposal efficiency. Ellis gets cheaper uncontested ball. .
No. Dusty kicks longer. Margin for error is greater. Ellis dinky kicks 20m across half back as his bread and butter.
Thanks for coming. I accept your apology
Intersested to find out where you got the figure for kicking efficiency Dooks. Can you give us a link please?
The stats certainly show that Ellis has 2.9 clangers per game while Martin has 4.0.
I was actually surprised with those numbers.
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Some could argue that more 'cheaper uncontested possessions' for Ellis than Dusty are indicative of his running capacity or Dusty's perceived lack of?
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Yes, let's now all debate who's the better, more damaging player out of Martin & Ellis....
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Ellis contested possession to non contested possession rate is approx 1:3
Martin is 1:2
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brandon_Ellis.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/D/Dustin_Martin.html
go figure
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Has a habit of slinging the ball on the boot and hoping for the best rather than having a creative footy brain. Yes plenty of possesions but those that actually hurt opposition teams you could count on one hand per game. He needs to start breaking lines and delivering the ball into our forward line with more precision. Cant believe our coaches cant see this weakness in his game or if they do and have been working on it then maybe he is just incapable of lifting to another level.
See, that's just rubbish. His disp eff % is 73%. Dusty's is 67% (for comparison). He can actually dispose of it quite well, he doesn't butcher it nearly as frequently as some here would have you think. IMO his decision making is far more questionable.
Some things to keep in mind when judging Brandon. He's 22! He's played (well) under 100 games (69 infact). He still averages 7 contested possessions per game, which could be better but certainly isn't the cherry picking outside runner that again, people would have us believe he is. I'm still of the opinion he will be a very important cog in this team in years to come. I would like to see him, as you said, break more lines, take the game on, especially later on in games when elite fitness and running starts to become a trump card.
Stats found on http://www.afl.com.au/stats
well said Dougy
I am not really surprised by his disposal efficiency stat because on most occasions he is kicking across minimum distance. Apart from those short kicks his long kicks either put a player under pressure or they end up as a turnover. Stats dont necessarily tell the story in this area when you analyse Ellis's game and I am purely going on what I have seen on gameday, I am certainly not questioning his endeavour and his endurance.
As a hypothetical If I was an opposition coach I wouldnt tag him because in my mind if he gets 30 possesions most of those will be short sideways kicks that are not penetrating and therefore just dont hurt sides. If a Dangerfield or a Hodge get the same amount of possesions then on most occasions they win the game. All I am saying is I would prefer he gets say 20 possesions a game but has more score assists and is more direct with his kicking generally.
I appreciate he is only 22 so he is still young enough to improve this area of his game if he is good enough, maybe we will see a more damaging player this season.
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Yes, let's now all debate who's the better, more damaging player out of Martin & Ellis....
It's not about debating it but being able to see that they are two different types of players and how they gather their possessions is indicative of this.
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Yes, let's now all debate who's the better, more damaging player out of Martin & Ellis....
It's not about debating it but being able to see that they are two different types of players and how they gather their possessions is indicative of this.
No. Dougy claimed Lozzas statement about ineffective disposal was 'rubbish' and claimed it was better than Martins.
This has been disproven, with context.
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Yes, let's now all debate who's the better, more damaging player out of Martin & Ellis....
It's not about debating it but being able to see that they are two different types of players and how they gather their possessions is indicative of this.
No. Dougy claimed Lozzas statement about ineffective disposal was 'rubbish' and claimed it was better than Martins.
This has been disproven, with context.
:clapping :clapping :clapping.......I love you at this very moment.
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Yes, let's now all debate who's the better, more damaging player out of Martin & Ellis....
It's not about debating it but being able to see that they are two different types of players and how they gather their possessions is indicative of this.
No. Dougy claimed Lozzas statement about ineffective disposal was 'rubbish' and claimed it was better than Martins.
This has been disproven, with context.
My original post on this subject was about your inference that Ellis gets ' cheaper uncontested possessions'. I try to see things with an open mind and think that just because someone gets uncontested possies it doesn't necessarily make them cheap. Especially if he runs about 130 meters to get on the end if a possession.
I'll leave you and Dougy to discuss the respective effectiveness.
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If nobody gets an uncontested possession then we have ourselves a turn-over! What would you rather see?
I hope Brandon gets about 3000 cheap easy kicks this year! :clapping
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Spot on BT. He came into the league as a good long kick but we haven't seen this because he continues to take the easy option. He can be a penetrating kick but he doesn't kick through the ball when he takes the short option and this results in plenty of turnovers. I'm just not convinced he's a particularly smart footballer so question his scope for improvement. He might just be our Brent Stanton.
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Another player might not have the chance to do the easy option
Due to not having the fitness, speed of b Ellis.
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LOL Ellis's greatest problem is blazing away without looking when he has time to settle, not taking a short clear option rather than kicking long to a contest
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LOL Ellis's greatest problem is blazing away without looking when he has time to settle, not taking a short clear option rather than kicking long to a contest
Yep.
That can be fixed over time,
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How about hand balling directly to opponents ?
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Just to play devils advocate Big Tone - you may not like the way he plays ( and that's fair enough) but is he just playing the role Hardwick has instructed.
Just to refresh everyone's memory, Brandon was BOG at dream time at the G last year.
Plus laid the most important tackle of the decade in round 24 2014.
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How about hand balling directly to opponents ?
Counts towards his 3000 easy cheap possessions. Hell yes :clapping
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Just to play devils advocate Big Tone - you may not like the way he plays ( and that's fair enough) but is he just playing the role Hardwick has instructed.
Just to refresh everyone's memory, Brandon was BOG at dream time at the G last year.
Plus laid the most important tackle of the decade in round 24 2014.
Matt, there is no way anyone would coach anyone to play that way. No way! Not even Dimma.
Ellis plays in preservation mode every time he runs out for us IMO. I just don't understand why he does as he has a pretty great gift of being fitter than most. I'm not sure if its confidence or something else but it can be rectified if he chooses to take that chance.
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Just to play devils advocate Big Tone - you may not like the way he plays ( and that's fair enough) but is he just playing the role Hardwick has instructed.
Just to refresh everyone's memory, Brandon was BOG at dream time at the G last year.
Plus laid the most important tackle of the decade in round 24 2014.
Matt, there is no way anyone would coach anyone to play that way. No way! Not even Dimma.
Ellis plays in preservation mode every time he runs out for us IMO. I just don't understand why he does as he has a pretty great gift of being fitter than most. I'm not sure if its confidence or something else but it can be rectified if he chooses to take that chance.
Not true
he has had some run of games where he is hard at it
for example, the firrito monkey injury him, when he was bravely watching the ball
he is also capable of squbbing it to the extent of houli or chaplin on his bad days.
looks worse when the midfield is losing inside
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No doubt he'll be one of loudest singing that horses ditty.
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Just to play devils advocate Big Tone - you may not like the way he plays ( and that's fair enough) but is he just playing the role Hardwick has instructed.
Just to refresh everyone's memory, Brandon was BOG at dream time at the G last year.
Plus laid the most important tackle of the decade in round 24 2014.
Matt, there is no way anyone would coach anyone to play that way. No way! Not even Dimma.
Ellis plays in preservation mode every time he runs out for us IMO. I just don't understand why he does as he has a pretty great gift of being fitter than most. I'm not sure if its confidence or something else but it can be rectified if he chooses to take that chance.
Not true
he has had some run of games where he is hard at it
for example, the firrito monkey injury him, when he was bravely watching the ball
he is also capable of squbbing it to the extent of houli or chaplin on his bad days.
looks worse when the midfield is losing inside
My previous couple of posts haven't mentioned him being scared to go for the footy. :whistle
My complaint of him since day one he isn't brave when he has the footy.
Keep up :thumbsup
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would agree with big note
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fair enough but what does "he isn't brave when he has the footy." mean in english?
many times he would be knackered when he has it cause of running flat out
many times he simply isnt good enough to do a precise kick hitting someone on the run 55 away like martin or deledio
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fair enough but what does "he isn't brave when he has the footy." mean in english?
many times he would be knackered when he has it cause of running flat out
many times he simply isnt good enough to do a precise kick hitting someone on the run 55 away like martin or deledio
It means he isn't brave enough or back his capabilities to kick that far. I guess.
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fair enough but what does "he isn't brave when he has the footy." mean in english?
many times he would be knackered when he has it cause of running flat out
many times he simply isnt good enough to do a precise kick hitting someone on the run 55 away like martin or deledio
It means when he has the footy he would prefer to take the easy option and kick it backwards, sideways or at best long down the line to a contest. All 3 options are ok at times but he never gets the footy and takes the game on. He would never try a difficult kick inboard to put us at an advantage so we could move the footy on quickly putting us in a dangerous position going forward. He would never play on from a mark and take on an opposition. If there is a chance he can get tackled he will simply get rid of the footy. At AFL level if you can get around an opponent you create a lose man and the game opens up in front of you.
That's why I like players like Castagna, he opens up play in front of him with his attacking style.
Anyway can you tell I have a bit of "man love" for George! :lol
I'd love to see him round 1 running off halfback.
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Anyway can you tell I have a bit of "man love" for George! :lol
I'd love to see him round 1 running of halfback.
Would love to see it too but think we will be disappointed
Have a sinking feeling they will go with Morris ahead of him (sadly)
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Just to play devils advocate Big Tone - you may not like the way he plays ( and that's fair enough) but is he just playing the role Hardwick has instructed.
Just to refresh everyone's memory, Brandon was BOG at dream time at the G last year.
Plus laid the most important tackle of the decade in round 24 2014.
Matt, there is no way anyone would coach anyone to play that way. No way! Not even Dimma.
So there is no way in the world a coach would instruct a player to play this way, yet is likely the coach allows a player to play this way against his instructions?
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fair enough but what does "he isn't brave when he has the footy." mean in english?
many times he would be knackered when he has it cause of running flat out
many times he simply isnt good enough to do a precise kick hitting someone on the run 55 away like martin or deledio
It means when he has the footy he would prefer to take the easy option and kick it backwards, sideways or at best long down the line to a contest. All 3 options are ok at times but he never gets the footy and takes the game on. He would never try a difficult kick inboard to put us at an advantage so we could move the footy on quickly putting us in a dangerous position going forward. He would never play on from a mark and take on an opposition. If there is a chance he can get tackled he will simply get rid of the footy. At AFL level if you can get around an opponent you create a lose man and the game opens up in front of you.
That's why I like players like Castagna, he opens up play in front of him with his attacking style.
Anyway can you tell I have a bit of "man love" for George! :lol
I'd love to see him round 1 running off halfback.
is this in inboard kick to a free player or one that is covered?
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Anyway can you tell I have a bit of "man love" for George! :lol
I'd love to see him round 1 running of halfback.
Would love to see it too but think we will be disappointed
Have a sinking feeling they will go with Morris ahead of him (sadly)
God no, really.
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George played well in the VFL against the cats. Took the game on and broke the lines. Had one shocking clanger I saw that turned into a goal for them but his other kicks hit their mark overall.
As big tone says, he opens up the play...
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Just to play devils advocate Big Tone - you may not like the way he plays ( and that's fair enough) but is he just playing the role Hardwick has instructed.
Just to refresh everyone's memory, Brandon was BOG at dream time at the G last year.
Plus laid the most important tackle of the decade in round 24 2014.
Matt, there is no way anyone would coach anyone to play that way. No way! Not even Dimma.
So there is no way in the world a coach would instruct a player to play this way, yet is likely the coach allows a player to play this way against his instructions?
Yes
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fair enough but what does "he isn't brave when he has the footy." mean in english?
many times he would be knackered when he has it cause of running flat out
many times he simply isnt good enough to do a precise kick hitting someone on the run 55 away like martin or deledio
It means when he has the footy he would prefer to take the easy option and kick it backwards, sideways or at best long down the line to a contest. All 3 options are ok at times but he never gets the footy and takes the game on. He would never try a difficult kick inboard to put us at an advantage so we could move the footy on quickly putting us in a dangerous position going forward. He would never play on from a mark and take on an opposition. If there is a chance he can get tackled he will simply get rid of the footy. At AFL level if you can get around an opponent you create a lose man and the game opens up in front of you.
That's why I like players like Castagna, he opens up play in front of him with his attacking style.
Anyway can you tell I have a bit of "man love" for George! :lol
I'd love to see him round 1 running off halfback.
is this in inboard kick to a free player or one that is covered?
It's to a player that's not sideways or backwards. It's a kick that an AFL player should attempt to advantage our side, rather than taking the easy option.
Do you disagree with what I have said about Ellis? If so tell me what part you think is incorrect.
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I already have, yet you have still not clarified whether you think players should be kicking in board to a contest when you talk about taking a risk.
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Just to play devils advocate Big Tone - you may not like the way he plays ( and that's fair enough) but is he just playing the role Hardwick has instructed.
Just to refresh everyone's memory, Brandon was BOG at dream time at the G last year.
Plus laid the most important tackle of the decade in round 24 2014.
Matt, there is no way anyone would coach anyone to play that way. No way! Not even Dimma.
So there is no way in the world a coach would instruct a player to play this way, yet is likely the coach allows a player to play this way against his instructions?
Yes
and that makes sense to you?
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I already have, yet you have still not clarified whether you think players should be kicking in board to a contest when you talk about taking a risk.
You'd never kick inside to a contest. Those with balls and good foot skills will do it though when there's a slight opening. I've seen Menadue do it twice this pre season. I agree with BT this is a kick Ellis doesn't attempt.
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fair enough but what does "he isn't brave when he has the footy." mean in english?
many times he would be knackered when he has it cause of running flat out
many times he simply isnt good enough to do a precise kick hitting someone on the run 55 away like martin or deledio
It means when he has the footy he would prefer to take the easy option and kick it backwards, sideways or at best long down the line to a contest. All 3 options are ok at times but he never gets the footy and takes the game on. He would never try a difficult kick inboard to put us at an advantage so we could move the footy on quickly putting us in a dangerous position going forward. He would never play on from a mark and take on an opposition. If there is a chance he can get tackled he will simply get rid of the footy. At AFL level if you can get around an opponent you create a lose man and the game opens up in front of you.
That's why I like players like Castagna, he opens up play in front of him with his attacking style.
Anyway can you tell I have a bit of "man love" for George! :lol
I'd love to see him round 1 running off halfback.
they are being coached to kicked backwards, sideways, to pockets
griffiths can kick half the ground yet does dinky pinko kicks 10m sideways. why is this, he wants to?
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I already have, yet you have still not clarified whether you think players should be kicking in board to a contest when you talk about taking a risk.
You'd never kick inside to a contest. Those with balls and good foot skills will do it though when there's a slight opening. I've seen Menadue do it twice this pre season. I agree with BT this is a kick Ellis doesn't attempt.
How often does anyone in the team attempt such a risky kick?
I remember Houli doing and turning it over and was bagged for a stupid kick. (besides that kick out)
Turnovers in the corridor often result in an opposition shot on goal, and naturally the closer to their goals the more likely this is. Many teams will set up in such a way that it encourages this kick, but still have a good chance of creating a contest if it is used. (ie that houli kick out)
The receiver must have space between him and the goals and the kick placed so he runs into this space to receive the ball. This is rarely allowed by the better opposition teams. The other time is to a leading strong marking forward.
Ellis's major problem is he gets clear running full pelt and doesnt settle and use the ball correctly, just throws in on the boot and hopes for the best, much the same as Conners would.
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fair enough but what does "he isn't brave when he has the footy." mean in english?
many times he would be knackered when he has it cause of running flat out
many times he simply isnt good enough to do a precise kick hitting someone on the run 55 away like martin or deledio
It means when he has the footy he would prefer to take the easy option and kick it backwards, sideways or at best long down the line to a contest. All 3 options are ok at times but he never gets the footy and takes the game on. He would never try a difficult kick inboard to put us at an advantage so we could move the footy on quickly putting us in a dangerous position going forward. He would never play on from a mark and take on an opposition. If there is a chance he can get tackled he will simply get rid of the footy. At AFL level if you can get around an opponent you create a lose man and the game opens up in front of you.
That's why I like players like Castagna, he opens up play in front of him with his attacking style.
Anyway can you tell I have a bit of "man love" for George! :lol
I'd love to see him round 1 running off halfback.
they are being coached to kicked backwards, sideways, to pockets
griffiths can kick half the ground yet does dinky pinko kicks 10m sideways. why is this, he wants to?
So you think they are coach to kick it sideways and backwards on every occasion? Makes sense!! Not!! Every team does it when they want to control the tempo of the game. They are coached to do that. Ellis does it on most occasions when he has a stoppage. But when he is under any pressure he does what someone else has already mentioned and that's slam it onto his boot without knowing what's upfield. AKA pooing his pants.
Player like Griff when he actually gets a kick, is so low on confidence he takes the easy option and does what Ellis does and kicks it short.
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I can concede Ellis is a very good endurance athlete. He uses his running ability to his advantage to be able to collect many possessions. And good on him. The only problem is he would rather take the easy option when he gets the footy than try and advantage our side by taking a rick with his kicking.
He IMO is the most selfish footballer on our list because of this. And I think he does it on purpose.
The upside with him is it's a thing I think he could change if he wasn't so poo scared of making mistakes and hence looking bad. He will never be anything until he changes his attitude in this area.
I for one hope he does for all our sakes but I'd still run the little prick over if he walked in front of my car. :lol
I dislike the way he plays more than any other player I can remember wearing a Tigers jumper.
Just to play devils advocate Big Tone - you may not like the way he plays ( and that's fair enough) but is he just playing the role Hardwick has instructed.
Just to refresh everyone's memory, Brandon was BOG at dream time at the G last year.
Plus laid the most important tackle of the decade in round 24 2014.
Matt, there is no way anyone would coach anyone to play that way. No way! Not even Dimma.
So there is no way in the world a coach would instruct a player to play this way, yet is likely the coach allows a player to play this way against his instructions?
Yes
and that makes sense to you?
No it doesn't make sense that's why I think Dimma has a long way to go when it comes to teaching guys like Ellis that it's not acceptable to take the easy option ALL the time. He should have been sent back to the twos to work on doing things where the consequences are not as damaging.
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I already have, yet you have still not clarified whether you think players should be kicking in board to a contest when you talk about taking a risk.
You'd never kick inside to a contest. Those with balls and good foot skills will do it though when there's a slight opening. I've seen Menadue do it twice this pre season. I agree with BT this is a kick Ellis doesn't attempt.
How often does anyone in the team attempt such a risky kick?
I remember Houli doing and turning it over and was bagged for a stupid kick. (besides that kick out)
Turnovers in the corridor often result in an opposition shot on goal, and naturally the closer to their goals the more likely this is. Many teams will set up in such a way that it encourages this kick, but still have a good chance of creating a contest if it is used. (ie that houli kick out)
The receiver must have space between him and the goals and the kick placed so he runs into this space to receive the ball. This is rarely allowed by the better opposition teams. The other time is to a leading strong marking forward.
Ellis's major problem is he gets clear running full pelt and doesnt settle and use the ball correctly, just throws in on the boot and hopes for the best, much the same as Conners would.
Hawthorn do it all the time. Probably why they have won 3 in a row.
Let's face it we play safe footy and hope our superstars can do the rest. That's why we struggle in finals and when teams keep our stars quiet. Players like Ellis and Griffiths will never be anything more than just average footballers if they don't learn to grow some balls.
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Yep Sam Mitchell was the first guy who came to mind who doesn't hesitate to hit that kick. Of course there's danger attached to it. You need to have the right personnel who have the skills and brains to hit that kick. Personally I think our turnover adverse approach to ball movement has taken has as far as it can and we need more dare to move forward.
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Hawthorn will chip the ball backwards,sideways, marginally forward until they can create the loose man. They don't kick inboard to a contest, they kick inboard when they are more likely to maintain possession than not. they maintain possession until the right moment appears. this is more to do with the workrate of players off the ball as being willing to take a risk with the ball in hand.
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Hawthorn will chip the ball backwards,sideways, marginally forward until they can create the loose man. They don't kick inboard to a contest, they kick inboard when they are more likely to maintain possession than not. they maintain possession until the right moment appears. this is more to do with the workrate of players off the ball as being willing to take a risk with the ball in hand.
Spot on Al! :thumbsup
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Hawthorn will chip the ball backwards,sideways, marginally forward until they can create the loose man. They don't kick inboard to a contest, they kick inboard when they are more likely to maintain possession than not. they maintain possession until the right moment appears. this is more to do with the workrate of players off the ball as being willing to take a risk with the ball in hand.
Never did I say kick it in board to a contest.
And the difference with Hawthorn is when they do go backwards or sideways, they do it quickly with the intent of going forward quickly. Ellis does it so he doesn't have the responsibility. Fair bit of difference.
I do agree though the better sides work a lot harder to create a better option for the guy with ball in hand.
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Hawthorn will chip the ball backwards,sideways, marginally forward until they can create the loose man. They don't kick inboard to a contest, they kick inboard when they are more likely to maintain possession than not. they maintain possession until the right moment appears. this is more to do with the workrate of players off the ball as being willing to take a risk with the ball in hand.
We beat the Hawks by equalling their work rate off the ball so it can be done.
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Hawthorn will chip the ball backwards,sideways, marginally forward until they can create the loose man. They don't kick inboard to a contest, they kick inboard when they are more likely to maintain possession than not. they maintain possession until the right moment appears. this is more to do with the workrate of players off the ball as being willing to take a risk with the ball in hand.
Never did I say kick it in board to a contest.
so the inboard kick you talk about is to a bloke in the clear?
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OMG how putrid was this bloke again. chipy chippy sideways no guts soft as butter squib.
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One spoil the highlight of his game, for some reason he reminds me of a bobblehead. Totally useless for any significant purpose other than his ability to jiggle his head around when he runs.
The coaches really needs to go back to the drawing board in relation to Ellis and revisit what his role really is in this side. At the moment he just seems to have no impact with any possesions. He simply is not a danger to opposition teams even when accumilating 30 + possesions. He is still only young so maybe he can still turn things around.
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Absolute jib
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Nothing between the ears. Same as conca.
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Shorts shytter.
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Only hits a target by foot at 15m
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I think Brandon had 3 perfect passes, ....straight to the opposition.
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Dog poo.
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Absolutely gutless
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Squib.
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Trade trade trade
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Showed last night why I have been so critical over the years.
For a supposed "elite kick as a junior" his disposal is terrible more often than not
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LMAO the only times he hit a target was with the "safe" kicks. Every time he tried something different he turned it over........
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Petrified going with the flight of the ball.
One short hand last night stood out hugely
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Play him in the ruck
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Petrified going with the flight of the ball.
One short hand last night stood out hugely
^^^^^^this^^^^^^
He's a coward. Plays safe and not team football.
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:lol
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Morrisified....... :help
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Bloody useless last night and nearly cost us the game many times. Bloody hopeless and the worst kick in the AFL!!
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Gone backwards in the last 12 months big time!
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nah, not true, sometimes sideways
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Not a footballers behind hole
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One spoil the highlight of his game, for some reason he reminds me of a bobblehead. Totally useless for any significant purpose other than his ability to jiggle his head around when he runs.
The coaches really needs to go back to the drawing board in relation to Ellis and revisit what his role really is in this side. At the moment he just seems to have no impact with any possesions. He simply is not a danger to opposition teams even when accumilating 30 + possesions. He is still only young so maybe he can still turn things around.
I was never a big fan but he's regression since the start of '15 is startling. Have to think it's something to do with the coaching as well.
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Pretty bad last night, seems to have a golden ticket this bloke?
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Loser
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Trade for Dion Prestia. :shh
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Along with Houli , Brandon Ellis stunk up the joint last night.
Need more from our second tier players.
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Trade for washing machine
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Trade for washing machine
I'd take a samsung for him
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Trade for washing machine
I'd take a samsung for him
You're very up to date Dooks! :lol
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21 possesions last night and I would say none had a positive impact toward our cause except for his excellent spoil late in the game. Maybe he just gut runs too much to the point where when he actually gets the ball he hasnt got the energy to execute with any skill.
He actually reminds me in a way to Morris although Ellis does actually accumulate possessions where both players cover alot of territory but have minimal if any impact on the final result.
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Perennial squib, I've seen enough. :thumbsdown
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It's taken only one week to abandon playing Brandon across half-back.
Brandon Ellis is set to return to the midfield against Collingwood after being moved to half-back against Carlton to cover the Tigers' spate of injuries in that part of the ground.
With Chris Yarran (foot) and Reece Conca (hamstring) both sidelined for at least five weeks each, Hardwick said the club was on the lookout for a player to become a "weapon" in that position.
"We tried (Ellis) down back and he probably wasn't that great and we threw him back in the midfield and across the wing and he played a lot better," the coach said.
"It's a position we're still looking to fill at this stage, but we'll trial a few other things this week to see how we can get that working for us.
"We're looking for someone to solidify in that position for us."
Source: RFC website (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-31/deledio-maric-ruled-out-of-pies-clash)
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too soft for backline
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too soft for AFL
e.f.a
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i blame the monkey Firrito
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It's taken only one week to abandon playing Brandon across half-back.
Brandon Ellis is set to return to the midfield against Collingwood after being moved to half-back against Carlton to cover the Tigers' spate of injuries in that part of the ground.
With Chris Yarran (foot) and Reece Conca (hamstring) both sidelined for at least five weeks each, Hardwick said the club was on the lookout for a player to become a "weapon" in that position.
"We tried (Ellis) down back and he probably wasn't that great and we threw him back in the midfield and across the wing and he played a lot better," the coach said.
"It's a position we're still looking to fill at this stage, but we'll trial a few other things this week to see how we can get that working for us.
"We're looking for someone to solidify in that position for us."
Source: RFC website (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-31/deledio-maric-ruled-out-of-pies-clash)
Good. Should not be playing the backline.
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For stuffs sake !!
Like he hasn't had a chance in the midfield before and totally screw it up
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Ive defended this bloke for a while (not sure why) but i've had enough of his squibbing and useless possessions.
If anyone is good at Computers, post up the footage in the last quarter, (10mins to go) when he was going back and squibbed it, resulting in one arm going up.
Mileara i think went on and scored a point.
Geez we are a team full of pussys, with this bloke and Mr Ramadan being the biggest offenders.
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t@s on a bull.
FHO.
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Gone from dashing run and carry and great kicking to one the worst culprits for killing momentum and turning around with the ball. Won't have none of those good qualities at Richmond and must be coached out ASAP.
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Gone from dashing run and carry and great kicking to one the worst culprits for killing momentum and turning around with the ball. Won't have none of those good qualities at Richmond and must be coached out ASAP.
Lmao @ coached out.
I'd say that's exactly what poor damien is right now, as well as out coached.
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Worst 39 possession game ever?
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Gone from dashing run and carry and great kicking to one the worst culprits for killing momentum and turning around with the ball. Won't have none of those good qualities at Richmond and must be coached out ASAP.
Lmao @ coached out.
I'd say that's exactly what poor damien is right now, as well as out coached.
yep, agree. his ability to break the lines and create has deteriorated due to to under coaching
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Worst 39 possession game ever?
Yep, toss up between him and Houli.
There is your problems right there.
Both soft and both useless.
I can tolerate when our kids stuff up as they are learning and will hopefully get better.
But watching these two getting 39 meaningless touches of the footy drives me insane.
This is a horrible thing to say but I just know it's the only way I don't have to watch their crap every weeks is I hope they get injured and we try others in their spots.
How can any senior AFL coach play both of these guys in the same backline??
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Has never been held accountable, never been dropped....Ellis plays the way he does because he's been allowed to, indulged and perhaps even instructed....beside, we can't drop the golden haired boy who fronts all our ads.....
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Has never been held accountable, never been dropped....Ellis plays the way he does because he's been allowed to, indulged and perhaps even instructed....beside, we can't drop the golden haired boy who fronts all our ads.....
:clapping.
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Ive defended this bloke for a while (not sure why) but i've had enough of his squibbing and useless possessions.
If anyone is good at Computers, post up the footage in the last quarter, (10mins to go) when he was going back and squibbed it, resulting in one arm going up.
Mileara i think went on and scored a point.
Geez we are a team full of pussys, with this bloke and Mr Ramadan being the biggest offenders.
Not sure how to (or if you can) embed a video on this forum but here is a link. Average quality but I'm not putting in the effort to make it better
https://vid.me/QCdu
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Is it surprising that we have a plethora of players not willing to put their bodies on the line and that we are losing games of football.
I think not. :thumbsdown
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Is it surprising that we have a plethora of players not willing to put their bodies on the line and that we are losing games of football.
I think not. :thumbsdown
The "Richmond Way". :clapping
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :gotigers
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There's a photo in this mornings Herald Sun of Jack Viney and Brandon Ellis contesting the ball. One has a look of determination, the other a look of fear as he evades contact.
To me, it sums up our core failing as a team.
A lack of intent.
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viney is a beast
bellis is a ...
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viney is a beast
bellis has a yeast infection....
there ya go....
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Reminds me about the old joke....
Between which two toes is a yeast infection worst?
The two big toes! :shh
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There's a photo in this mornings Herald Sun of Jack Viney and Brandon Ellis contesting the ball. One has a look of determination, the other a look of fear as he evades contact.
To me, it sums up our core failing as a team.
A lack of intent.
:lol
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Love him or hate him you can't deny he has definitely changed his style and has tried to be more in and under in the last few weeks winning his own ball and become more fierce in his tackling.
Rnd 1) 8 contested / 12 uncontested 2 tackles.
R2) 6 contested / 23 uncontested. 2 tackles
R3) 6 contested / 33 uncontested. 1 tackle.
R4) 5 contested / 14 uncontested. 2 tackles.
R5) 3 contested / 15 uncontested. 4 tackles.
R6) 6 contested / 20 uncontested. 5 tackles.
R7) 13 contested / 14 uncontested. 4 tackles.
R8) 11 contested / 16 uncontested. 3 tackles.
Stats from footy live app.
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Stats mean nothing apparently, according the the experts on here.. :whistle
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His decision making is poor!
He needs to get better with football in hand!
Stop "quick kicking" it!
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Scared
Pulled up twice last night
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His tackle in the swans fwd 50 last 2 mins saved the game for us.
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His tackle in the swans fwd 50 last 2 mins saved the game for us.
Gave us a chance that we wouldn't have had . Great tackle.
Still petrified
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His tackle in the swans fwd 50 last 2 mins saved the game for us.
Gave us a chance that we wouldn't have had . Great tackle.
Still petrified
Has been solid 2 weeks in a row but yeah still craps himself a couple times a game. Almost threw the remote at the TV when kicked it 40m backwards in the 3rd without looking forward or to the middle
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Good trade value
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His tackle in the swans fwd 50 last 2 mins saved the game for us.
Gave us a chance that we wouldn't have had . Great tackle.
Still petrified
Has been solid 2 weeks in a row but yeah still craps himself a couple times a game. Almost threw the remote at the TV when kicked it 40m backwards in the 3rd without looking forward or to the middle
Man that crap makes me go berko, switching across their goals has to be the dumbest crap in football and they usually make us pay for it.
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His tackle in the swans fwd 50 last 2 mins saved the game for us.
Gave us a chance that we wouldn't have had . Great tackle.
Still petrified
Has been solid 2 weeks in a row but yeah still craps himself a couple times a game. Almost threw the remote at the TV when kicked it 40m backwards in the 3rd without looking forward or to the middle
Man that crap makes me go berko, switching across their goals has to be the dumbest crap in football and they usually make us pay for it.
Why?
There are 15 defenders on one side
If you move it to the other side there are less
Like hockey soccer basketball
Often the options are a hack Chaplin a dud Hampson or a triple teamed jack to kick forwards too
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I am not talking about switching sides like that I am talking about kicking backwards several kicks and then across and by the time they have finished the whole opposition have pressed up and are able to force a turnover. It is ridiculous. Thankfully it was less evident in this game.
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His tackle in the swans fwd 50 last 2 mins saved the game for us.
Gave us a chance that we wouldn't have had . Great tackle.
Still petrified
Has been solid 2 weeks in a row but yeah still craps himself a couple times a game. Almost threw the remote at the TV when kicked it 40m backwards in the 3rd without looking forward or to the middle
Man that crap makes me go berko, switching across their goals has to be the dumbest crap in football and they usually make us pay for it.
Why?
There are 15 defenders on one side
If you move it to the other side there are less
Like hockey soccer basketball
Often the options are a hack Chaplin a dud Hampson or a triple teamed jack to kick forwards too
Always look forward first, then have the balls to look into the middle (Brandon never does), then look back.
Most of those switches at least take you towards the centre. He literally just kicked it 40m back to our back flank. It was shocking.
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He's stuffn pathetic.
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Whos going to get dropped to accommodate b Ellis on the near future?
Rioli ?
C Ellis ?
Short ?
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The sort of bloke you'd love to smack in the head a few times.
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The sort of bloke you'd love to smack in the head a few times.
And let's hope after that he turns into a blonde Dangerfield.
Fist or baseball bat?
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What a frustrating player Ellis is turning out to be. If only he can be reprogrammed to look and go forward at every opportunity, could be a player.
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top 15 draft pick :shh
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Scared
Pulled up twice last night
Only twice,
For one great tackle you get multiple poor decisions, little chip kicks anywhere but forward and at least a minimum 3 refusals to actual attack the ball. Another week of 25+ meanignless possessions camouflaged by one really great tackle and an important goal
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Scared
Pulled up twice last night
Only twice,
For one great tackle you get multiple poor decisions, little chip kicks anyway but forward and at least a minimum 3 refusals to actual attack the ball. Another week of 25+ meanignless possessions camouflaged by one really great tackle
someone posted his stats
in th last two weeks - b ellis has a lot contested ball
if he can keep that up might be top 20 pick ? :pray
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Scared
Pulled up twice last night
Only twice,
For one great tackle you get multiple poor decisions, little chip kicks anyway but forward and at least a minimum 3 refusals to actual attack the ball. Another week of 25+ meanignless possessions camouflaged by one really great tackle and an important goal
I don't blame him for being soft I blame the Richmond Way that has allowed this to become the norm rather than the exception.
I'd prefer this new look Brandon to the old any day. I think he's definitely trying to do the right things now and be the player he probably was when he arrived.
If he continues this new aggression he is obviously displaying he can hopefully realise his full potential as a genuine player. This way we see less of the squibbing and see more toughness and more forward penetration that comes with more confidence.
We will never see this with Houli or Hunt ever but the last few weeks I've seen some positive signs with Brandon and I'm willing to give the kid some slack, remember he's only a few months older than Vlaustin.
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After the pioneering efforts of Campbell & Bowden, continued by Newman & Hackson, we arrive at Ellis, who's now taken the art of momentum killing to astonishing new heights. :clapping
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Joel Bowden.
Had all the punters thinking he was a superstar. :facepalm :chuck
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How many times did he fumble last night??
He was by far our worst player last night regardless of how many kicks he got.
How much better did we look without Houli last night, but imagine how good we would look with both of these useless cheats.
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How many times did he fumble last night??
He was by far our worst player last night regardless of how many kicks he got.
How much better did we look with Houli last night, but imagine how good we would look with both of these useless cheats.
"with" ???????
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How many times did he fumble last night??
He was by far our worst player last night regardless of how many kicks he got.
How much better did we look with Houli last night, but imagine how good we would look with both of these useless cheats.
"with" ???????
Typing is slower than my brain.
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Frustrating player. Kicks a good goal in 2nd quarter and lays a good tackle in fourth quarter but drops an easy mark and causes a turnover which leads to goals against us.
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Scared
Pulled up twice last night
Only twice,
For one great tackle you get multiple poor decisions, little chip kicks anyway but forward and at least a minimum 3 refusals to actual attack the ball. Another week of 25+ meanignless possessions camouflaged by one really great tackle and an important goal
That's what makes him so god damn frustrating. At least players like Hunt are consistently poo. This bloke fools people into think he's got something if only for a second and then amasses useless possessions and suddenly people think he's had a good game
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The way he went backwards 40 metres from a deliberate out of bounds on the wing sums him up - even Ling exclaimed "he didnt even look forwards, he went backwards straight away and jack threw his hands up in the air"
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Trade currency, that's all.
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The way he went backwards 40 metres from a deliberate out of bounds on the wing sums him up - even Ling exclaimed "he didnt even look forwards, he went backwards straight away and jack threw his hands up in the air"
Miles did the same thing a few minutes before but who mentions it?
It's s bloody coaching directive this possession game, go back sideways, backwards again but maintain possession. It's been drilled into them all.
Listen to the presser. The coach wants them to control possession and not take risks. We know we won because we had to take risks in the last in order to win the game but we all know that's not how Dumma wants them to play.
I think at times, me included, we just want to smash a fellow for past history. I'd challenge anyone to watch the game again and list the times he squibbed in this match. I think he's improved his game in the past couple of weeks. He's been a hell of a lot more hard at the contest in the last few weeks as proved by his increase in contested possession. So he went back once, I'd ask then who didn't kick back or sideways at times in the game? Who didn't fumble? Vlastuin fumbled when bursting through the middle and we lost possesion, so did Brandon.
Dusty decided on a few occasions to dink kick the ball 20 metres and turned it straight over on nearly every occasion he tried it. We all want dusty to kick the leather off the bloody footy but why does he do it? It's the bloody coaching that has ruined the natural instincts of these blokes to take the game on. It's the Hardwick Way! Chip it around and Keep possession!
More proof! Look at how Cotchins natural game has been ruined by this coach. He's been turned into the dinky kick master and it's a crying shame.
That said, The quicker we get a coach that allows the players to play the game the better off all the players will be and the team.
I haven't been Brandon's biggest fan but I'm happy to acknowledge improvement when I see it and at the moment I'm willing to cut the kid some slack & see how he goes. As I said before he is only a few months older than Vlaustin.
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Miles did the same thing a few minutes before but who mentions it?
Difference is Miles looked forward first after taking a mark so the play had already moved ahead of him and numbers for Sydney gone back. Ellis had a free kick and he literally didn't look any other direction but backwards after winning a free kick and the play still mostly in the middle of the ground
It's s bloody coaching directive this possession game, go back sideways, backwards again but maintain possession. It's been drilled into them all.
Listen to the presser. The coach wants them to control possession and not take risks
Not that I want to defend him too much considering it is obvious he wanted a chipping, possession protecting game plan but even he said they took it too far in the presser
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The way he went backwards 40 metres from a deliberate out of bounds on the wing sums him up - even Ling exclaimed "he didnt even look forwards, he went backwards straight away and jack threw his hands up in the air"
Miles did the same thing a few minutes before but who mentions it?
It's s bloody coaching directive this possession game, go back sideways, backwards again but maintain possession. It's been drilled into them all.
Listen to the presser. The coach wants them to control possession and not take risks. We know we won because we had to take risks in the last in order to win the game but we all know that's not how Dumma wants them to play.
I think at times, me included, we just want to smash a fellow for past history. I'd challenge anyone to watch the game again and list the times he squibbed in this match. I think he's improved his game in the past couple of weeks. He's been a hell of a lot more hard at the contest in the last few weeks as proved by his increase in contested possession. So he went back once, I'd ask then who didn't kick back or sideways at times in the game? Who didn't fumble? Vlastuin fumbled when bursting through the middle and we lost possesion, so did Brandon.
Dusty decided on a few occasions to dink kick the ball 20 metres and turned it straight over on nearly every occasion he tried it. We all want dusty to kick the leather off the bloody footy but why does he do it? It's the bloody coaching that has ruined the natural instincts of these blokes to take the game on. It's the Hardwick Way! Chip it around and Keep possession!
More proof! Look at how Cotchins natural game has been ruined by this coach. He's been turned into the dinky kick master and it's a crying shame.
That said, The quicker we get a coach that allows the players to play the game the better off all the players will be and the team.
I haven't been Brandon's biggest fan but I'm happy to acknowledge improvement when I see it and at the moment I'm willing to cut the kid some slack & see how he goes. As I said before he is only a few months older than Vlaustin.
He hasent improved at all. He has gone backwards. In fact he fumbles and misses targets by hand and foot more this year than any other year and that's saying something.
I've hated the way the little prick has played since almost day one but this year is the first time most on here have really turned on him. He is a scared little girl that should be shown the door at the end of the year. And he should be dropped this week before anyone else going off Saturday nights proformance. His bad outweighs his good by a long way. He is a nothing player with no real weapons other than he can run pretty far.
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Even his last two games BT?
Granted I've seen with my own two eyes the countless times he's squibbed a contest but all I'm saying is there wasn't much of that nonsense in the last two games.
Let's face it, your not going to get any different from the likes of Houli and Hunt or Chaplin but this kid is still only 22.
I was one of his biggest critics too and if he goes back to squibbing I will be again but I've liked a lot of what I've seen from him in the last two games and I hope I see more improvement in the future. Let's hope he's turned a corner.
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When everyone is fit how do you fit the like of c Ellis and rioli in the team?
Grigg is a list blocker.
B Ellis could go either way but it might be smart to trade when value is high
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When everyone is fit how do you fit the like of c Ellis and rioli in the team?
Grigg is a list blocker.
B Ellis could go either way but it might be smart to trade when value is high
I'd take straight swap for Josh Kelly like the look of this kid.
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Throw in Houli
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The halal Heath shaw
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When everyone is fit how do you fit the like of c Ellis and rioli in the team?
Grigg is a list blocker.
B Ellis could go either way but it might be smart to trade when value is high
I'd take straight swap for Josh Kelly like the look of this kid.
Ellis wouldn't get the deal done I wouldn't think.
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Just drop B Ellis for 1 game, he will come back into the team a dead set champ... :snidegrin :snidegrin
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Just drop B Ellis for 1 game, he will come back into the team a dead set champ... :snidegrin :snidegrin
That's exactly what he needs, it's worked for Miles, Hampson and Griffiths!
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Just drop B Ellis for 1 game, he will come back into the team a dead set champ... :snidegrin :snidegrin
That's exactly what he needs, it's worked for Miles, Hampson and Griffiths!
Oh yeah, sure it did. Also working a treat for Chaplin.. :whistle
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It's workin great for McBean too
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Just drop B Ellis for 1 game, he will come back into the team a dead set champ... :snidegrin :snidegrin
That's exactly what he needs, it's worked for Miles, Hampson and Griffiths!
Oh yeah, sure it did. Also working a treat for Chaplin.. :whistle
Chaplin wasn't dropped, he started late.
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It's workin great for McBean too
I was going to use him too but..... :thumbsup
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I hate ellis
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I hate ellis
B Ellis > grigg
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Same
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Same
B Ellis is still borderline a kid
Grigg is border line 30 years old, no upside
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Same
B Ellis is still borderline a kid
Grigg is border line 30 years old, no upside
Ah ahh! He's best mates with Lids, which means he has #leverage and #value
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Same
B Ellis is still borderline a kid
Grigg is border line 30 years old, no upside
Ah ahh! He's best mates with Lids, which means he has #leverage and #value
"Lids is kicking with a big football now "
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I thought Brandon was OK on the week end/
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Even his last two games BT?
Granted I've seen with my own two eyes the countless times he's squibbed a contest but all I'm saying is there wasn't much of that nonsense in the last two games.
Let's face it, your not going to get any different from the likes of Houli and Hunt or Chaplin but this kid is still only 22.
I was one of his biggest critics too and if he goes back to squibbing I will be again but I've liked a lot of what I've seen from him in the last two games and I hope I see more improvement in the future. Let's hope he's turned a corner.
Yes even the last two games.
My biggest gripe with him is not that he poos himself every time he goes near the footy but that fact that he is scared to make a mistake with the footy in hand. He goes backwards and sideways on a lot of occasions. Some like to say it the way he is coached but no one else does it as much or as often as this little hole.
What I have notice he does more this year is fumble. He is obviously bereft of all confidence.
Need needs to be dropped and go back and work hard and earn his spot.
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Even his last two games BT?
Granted I've seen with my own two eyes the countless times he's squibbed a contest but all I'm saying is there wasn't much of that nonsense in the last two games.
Let's face it, your not going to get any different from the likes of Houli and Hunt or Chaplin but this kid is still only 22.
I was one of his biggest critics too and if he goes back to squibbing I will be again but I've liked a lot of what I've seen from him in the last two games and I hope I see more improvement in the future. Let's hope he's turned a corner.
Yes even the last two games.
My biggest gripe with him is not that he poos himself every time he goes near the footy but that fact that he is scared to make a mistake with the footy in hand. He goes backwards and sideways on a lot of occasions. Some like to say it the way he is coached but no one else does it as much or as often as this little behindhole.
What I have notice he does more this year is fumble. He is obviously bereft of all confidence.
Need needs to be dropped and go back and work hard and earn his spot.
Fair enough, I understand your angst BT but I suggest you watch the replay again just to note Brandon's game and I think you would pleasantly surprised. I really don't think he was that bad as he has been previously especially against the swans. Maybe you saw Grigg and thought it was a 5 instead of a 6. Seriously he wasn't as bad as normal that's for sure.
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Thought Grigg and Ellis were good
By memory Grigg was the player that intercepted the ball and gave it off to Jack who gave it to
Rioli for his running goal
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Even his last two games BT?
Granted I've seen with my own two eyes the countless times he's squibbed a contest but all I'm saying is there wasn't much of that nonsense in the last two games.
Let's face it, your not going to get any different from the likes of Houli and Hunt or Chaplin but this kid is still only 22.
I was one of his biggest critics too and if he goes back to squibbing I will be again but I've liked a lot of what I've seen from him in the last two games and I hope I see more improvement in the future. Let's hope he's turned a corner.
Yes even the last two games.
My biggest gripe with him is not that he poos himself every time he goes near the footy but that fact that he is scared to make a mistake with the footy in hand. He goes backwards and sideways on a lot of occasions. Some like to say it the way he is coached but no one else does it as much or as often as this little behindhole.
What I have notice he does more this year is fumble. He is obviously bereft of all confidence.
Need needs to be dropped and go back and work hard and earn his spot.
Fair enough, I understand your angst BT but I suggest you watch the replay again just to note Brandon's game and I think you would pleasantly surprised. I really don't think he was that bad as he has been previously especially against the swans. Maybe you saw Grigg and thought it was a 5 instead of a 6. Seriously he wasn't as bad as normal that's for sure.
In the first half he mainly made short passes forward and they nearly all hit a target.
For some reason he then started going backwards and sideways.
I think Id prefer him playing a precise link up role rather than the run and carry out wide which sees him blaze away and put the ball on the tit of the opposition much more than our forwards.
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Someone just needs to tell him that too get to the next level he needs to put his body on the line all the time.
He has the size to take the hits too!
What is most frustrating is that he has the physical attributes to be a very good player but his greatest weakness remains between the ears. He is the lion in the wizard of oz......
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What do people think of Ellis being played as a forward? He is a good mark and is usually a good kick for goal.
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What do people think of Ellis being played as a forward? He is a good mark and is usually a good kick for goal.
As long as it's in the VFL in all for it :thumbsup
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The guy has become a dummy. Does some of the most stupid things. l would have dropped him very early in the season. Needs a wake up call, As he is not as good as stats make him out to be. Cost's the team constant goals every game. Anyone who gains 50 metres backwards for the opposition needs to be playing elsewhere.
l look at a player like him when l talk about "STATS" are useless & meaningless & are for amateur's. Can gather 8 stats going backwards & sideways in a minute of the game. His turnovers don't show the goals against him. His several opponents cut him up weekly & their damage on the scoreboard don't show against him. Constantly pushes too far up & his turnovers have him jogging back pointing cause his out of fuel. Has talent & is a good footballer, Just not as good as he thinks he is. l would still send him back to the VFL
As for stats a fullback could be over worked by a player like Bellis. He could fist the ball away from his tall marking opponent 10 times & have not 1 stat but his opponent will have no stats or goals. Stats are for show players like Bellis :snidegrin
A good footballer is Alex Rance who works hard & achieve's only a pat on the back.
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Someone just needs to tell him that too get to the next level he needs to put his body on the line all the time.
He has the size to take the hits too!
What is most frustrating is that he has the physical attributes to be a very good player but his greatest weakness remains between the ears. He is the lion in the wizard of oz......
;D
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Someone just needs to tell him that too get to the next level he needs to put his body on the line all the time.
He has the size to take the hits too!
What is most frustrating is that he has the physical attributes to be a very good player but his greatest weakness remains between the ears. He is the lion in the wizard of oz......
;D
:D :D :D :D
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Brandon on SEN's 'The Run Home':
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/4639519-brandon-ellis-on-the-run-home
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He's like a Chinese mock pair of Air Jordan's.
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Tyrone and Brandon should get a room together. Two peahearts in a pod. :snidegrin
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Actually apologies to the big girls blose tv. There is someone softer than you. :lol
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Brandon on SEN's 'The Run Home':
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/4639519-brandon-ellis-on-the-run-home
Transcript ::)
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:lol
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Ever seen this guy go the hip and shoulder?
You've got to deliberately avoid that sort of contact as a junior to be so physically inept at his age. A deep, ingrained cowardice is neccessary.
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I've tried my best to give this bloke a fair go but I've had enough of him. I can't stand even looking at him anymore.
If I meet him on the street I will tell him to his face that he's a limp wristed, soft as butter, panty wearing pansy and no Richmond supporter likes you because you disgrace this most famous jumper and as we speak Tommy Hafey is turning because you play every week!
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Trade.
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I've tried my best to give this bloke a fair go but I've had enough of him. I can't stand even looking at him anymore.
If I meet him on the street I will tell him to his face that he's a limp wristed, soft as butter, panty wearing pansy and no Richmond supporter likes you because you disgrace this most famous jumper and as we speak Tommy Hafey is turning because you play every week!
:clapping no words can describe how poor he was tonight. It was there for all to see how weak he plays. Surely cant play next week :banghead
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I've tried my best to give this bloke a fair go but I've had enough of him. I can't stand even looking at him anymore.
If I meet him on the street I will tell him to his face that he's a limp wristed, soft as butter, panty wearing pansy and no Richmond supporter likes you because you disgrace this most famous jumper and as we speak Tommy Hafey is turning because you play every week!
:clapping no words can describe how poor he was tonight. It was there for all to see how weak he plays. Surely cant play next week :banghead
We say that every week
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Simply has to be dropped next week. Abysmal.
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In the Ty category, wont be dropped, unfortunately injuries are happening to the wrong players and injuries are the only way they go out the side. Why dont Hunt or BEllis ever seem to get injured, probably tells a bit of a story in itself.
With finals definately gone I hope Dimma doesnt get selfish and play the spuds in the hope we end up with an honourable 9th spot (although that might even be a push) and then blame the season on bad luck.
There are simply too many players in the side tonight who are clearly not the future, they need to be given a run in the VFL and give others their opportunity.
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So much for Dudwicks mantra at his first interview that u must win your own ball to play........bah ha ha ha ha lol lol lol
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Yet will still play all 22 games this year. Laughable.
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Yet will still play all 22 games this year. Laughable.
l bet Bellis will be axed next week. His been ear marked for the last 4 weeks axed
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Not by Halfstep he hasn't....ever.....
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Yet will still play all 22 games this year. Laughable.
His been ear marked for the last 4 weeks axed
what does this even mean?
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Trade.
trade. Only if hackson doesnt select his replacement.
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Always been pathetic. What a sad club.
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Always been pathetic. What a sad club.
Was he at TAC level?
I wonder sometimes that when youngsters walk into Punt road their penis falls off and they suddenly grow breast and pee sitting down & their heart shrinks.
"The Richmond Way!"
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Guys, I've had enough. The squib must go.
Softest guy in the afl
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In the Ty category, wont be dropped, unfortunately injuries are happening to the wrong players and injuries are the only way they go out the side. Why dont Hunt or BEllis ever seem to get injured, probably tells a bit of a story in itself.
You are indicating that Taylor Hunt is soft, which is the dumbest thing I've read on this forum.
He tries his guts out, but is a pathetic kick of the footy.
Bellis sleeps with the light on and still tosses and turns and sweats in the night in a panic as the imaginary boogie man sneaks up on him.
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I can't believe that someone so well built cannot use his body in any aggressive way......
He makes me ill. >:(
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Ellis should run around with a white flag in his pocket. He can just hold it up every time he is in a contest then.
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Watching live I thought his contest with Firrito in the 1st was solid. Then I saw the replay and he literally dropped the ball when he saw Firrito running at him before he was hit. Embarrassing. His complete inability to dispose of the ball when he receives contact is dumbfounding for someone of his physique
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Reckon Brandon will be a good player under a different coach.
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Reckon Brandon will be a good player under a different coach.
I hope so... means he has left us. :thumbsup
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Made Robbo's dislike column today:
3. Brandon Ellis
He’d wake up with cold sweats thinking about Sam Gibson. Clearly, he is Ellis’s bogeyman. On Friday night, Gibson had Ellis for 87 minutes and kept him to seven possessions. In the elimination final last year, it was 88 minutes and 10 disposals. Gibson’s strategy is simple; no easy switch possessions for Ellis, who likes to get loose on the other side of the ground. Ellis’s problem is compounded because he doesn’t change his game and become a ball hunter.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-11-2016/news-story/611db4b84b32534f2146f5fdb8894b52
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100th game this week
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Shouldnt have played 1 for us.
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I stuffn hate this dumb prick.
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Reckon Brandon will be a good player under a different coach.
Yeh, so FHO!
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Is it wrong to have a deep seething hatred for the guy?
Im stuffing furious
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All the competition's tough players make Brandon scared. He has shirked hard contests from day one. However, he has been allowed to play without contested ball commitment since he started so it has been condoned. And he is certainley not alone in this area. Two thirds of our list are exactly the same. Right now we have another player or another Ellis (Corey) doing the same. This guy was receuited as a inside mid. Yet has has never been seen on the bottom of a pack ever just like Brandon.
The end result is there is no toughness at Richmond. When we lost Coughlan, Tuck, Jackson and Foley we lost our strength as a club. We mighy as well join the A League.
Is this due to coaching, recruiting or culture??
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agree cracker, Cellis is going down the same path as his namesake. Its coaching and culture, this behaviour is obviously accepted as it happens so regularly
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All the competition's tough players make Brandon scared. He has shirked hard contests from day one. However, he has been allowed to play without contested ball commitment since he started so it has been condoned. And he is certainley not alone in this area. Two thirds of our list are exactly the same. Right now we have another player or another Ellis (Corey) doing the same. This guy was receuited as a inside mid. Yet has has never been seen on the bottom of a pack ever just like Brandon.
The end result is there is no toughness at Richmond. When we lost Coughlan, Tuck, Jackson and Foley we lost our strength as a club. We mighy as well join the A League.
Is this due to coaching, recruiting or culture??
Tigeritis™
All of the above are just symptoms.
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All the competition's tough players make Brandon scared. He has shirked hard contests from day one. However, he has been allowed to play without contested ball commitment since he started so it has been condoned. And he is certainley not alone in this area. Two thirds of our list are exactly the same. Right now we have another player or another Ellis (Corey) doing the same. This guy was receuited as a inside mid. Yet has has never been seen on the bottom of a pack ever just like Brandon.
The end result is there is no toughness at Richmond. When we lost Coughlan, Tuck, Jackson and Foley we lost our strength as a club. We mighy as well join the A League.
Is this due to coaching, recruiting or culture??
Tigeritis™
All of the above are just symptoms.
And it's fatal when it comes to football ability..... :banghead
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Is this due to coaching, recruiting or culture??
All of the above
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100th game this week
He qualifies for mother/son now :clapping
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:lol :lol :lol
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Total skwib
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100th game this week
He qualifies for mother/son now :clapping
They don't make babies at the Mardi Tard
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100th game this week
He qualifies for mother/son now :clapping
:lol
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5. Does Brandon Ellis rebound in 100th game?
After an excellent 2014, Ellis's progress has stalled in the past season-and-a-half. His short-comings were brought into stark focus last week when he was tagged by Sam Gibson and unable to adjust his game to have an impact, finishing with seven possessions, his lowest since 2013. On Sunday, in his milestone game, the 22-year-old matched his seven possessions from last week in the first quarter, and kicked on to finish with 24. He wasn't among his team's best, but there were moments where he put his body on the line and he did enough to turn the tide on a form line that had started to threaten his position in the team.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-12/five-talking-points-richmond-v-gold-coast
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still crap
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Another 20+ meaningless possessions game
Terrific, just terrific
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Another 20+ meaningless possessions game
Terrific, just terrific
He learns from grigg the sideways master
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Squib of the highest order this bloke. Just doesn't want to get involved physically at all or go anywhere near a contest where he might get bruised. TRADE!
Another 20+ meaningless possessions game
Terrific, just terrific
He learns from grigg the sideways master
I've been a tough critic of Grigg's but he's having an excellent year. Tackling and going after the contested ball a lot more than previous years and is playing some good attacking football.
Definitely lifted his game to another level in 2016.
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Another 20+ meaningless possessions game
Terrific, just terrific
He learns from grigg the sideways master
I've been a tough critic of Grigg's but he's having an excellent year. Tackling and going after the contested ball a lot more than previous years and is playing some good attacking football.
Definitely lifted his game to another level in 2016.
Think he's benefiting from playing a role that suits him more. His defensive efforts can still leave a bit to be desired but he's cracking in
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Ellis had little or if any impact on the game.
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He is very good friends with Cotch and so are their wives. Unfortunately he won't be going anywhere.
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There would be at least one club dumb enough to trade
Junior list clogger
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could be dangerous. If his knees break down completely we would not be able to delist him for the same reason you mention
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Ellis soaks up the pressure in his 100th
AFL.com.au
13 June 2016
RICHMOND midfielder Brandon Ellis missed just three of his first 99 games, but he entered his 100th against Gold Coast on Sunday evening under pressure.
The hard-working midfielder needed to rebound after being completely shut out of last week's loss to North Melbourne, winning just seven possessions under a fierce tag from nemesis Sam Gibson.
A repeat of that effort in his milestone game would have been disastrous and his place in the team would have come under scrutiny, but the 22-year-old responded and played his role in a 17-point win.
"It was very important for me to bounce back and for the team to bounce back. The boys looked after me, so I really appreciated that," Ellis told AFL.com.au.
"Gibson sat on me pretty closely last week and he's beaten me comfortably the last two times, so it's something I've got to work through.
"I'm probably going to cop a bit more attention for the rest of the year."
Ellis has raced to his first 100 games, missing just one match in his debut season in 2012 and two games in 2013.
He has played every game since returning from a hamstring injury – his only injury in season since joining the Tigers – in round 12, 2013.
"To play one game I would have been pumped, but to play 100 … ever since under-10s all I've wanted to do was play AFL," he said.
"It's come around really quick and it's been an exciting week and a pretty emotional week."
Ellis finished with 24 possessions on Sunday night, and coach Damien Hardwick said the young midfielder had achieved plenty in his first 100 games despite a quiet week in round 11.
"He was disappointing last week. He had a pretty good player in Gibson sit on him for the whole game," the coach said.
"We just had to get him back to his best. He's a work-rate type of guy and when he works incredibly hard good things happen.
"He's got a long career ahead of him, that kid. I love what he does and he's only going to get better as we work on a couple of areas of his game."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-13/brandon-ellis-soaks-up-the-pressure-in-his-100th-match
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Since when did Ellis have a wife?
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It's funny how the press, the players themselves and the coach see their games and their prowess differently to the supporters. Hardwick loves this guy and he won't be going anywhere judging by his comments.
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Which is just another reason why Halfstep needs to go too.
Jeez, if Collingwood gave up picks 25 & 28 for Aish who's almost as soft & useless, surely we'd get something half decent for B.Ellend.
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Which is why Halfstep needs to go too.
Jeez, if Collingwood gave up picks 25 & 28 for Aish who's almost as soft & useless, surely we'd get something half decent for B.Ellend.
Dunno, we don't even rate Ellis and some people on here wanted to give a first rounder for Aish
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IIRC, I rated Aish & Scharenberg as the best of their draft year, one's shown stuff all so far and the other can't even get on the park.... :-[
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When Ellis is one of the hardest at the ball tonight what hope do we have?
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Saw him short step it once
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His courage in the air has always been inverse to his courage on the ground. It's quite bizarre really.
Smart club would trade him. So expect him to be re-signed for another three years.
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His courage in the air has always been inverse to his courage on the ground. It's quite bizarre really.
Smart club would trade him. So expect him to be re-signed for another three years.
Yep
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How soft does his body go when he gets tackled?
My must hated player of all time.
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His courage in the air has always been inverse to his courage on the ground. It's quite bizarre really.
Smart club would trade him. So expect him to be re-signed for another three years.
Interesting. I thought last night was one his better in terms of putting his body on the line, but thinking about this you may be on to something.
maybe its because once you are in the air you cant back out?
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His courage in the air has always been inverse to his courage on the ground. It's quite bizarre really.
Smart club would trade him. So expect him to be re-signed for another three years.
Spot on. Seen him go back with the flight many times yet still such a cat at most other stages.
I don't like Brandon but i thought he was pretty good last night.
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Look, gets the numbers knows how to find the footy. I'd keep needs coaching.....
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Look, gets the numbers knows how to find the footy. I'd keep needs coaching.....
correct words
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Trade Ellis, get a first round draft pick from GC or GWS and roll the dice with a first round player. Ellis needs to be in a top 4 side with strong contested and hard working players around him because he doesn't do the hard stuff at all well. So in a crap gutless side looks useless. GWS would give up a top 10 pick for him I reckon.
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Trade Ellis, get a first round draft pick from GC or GWS and roll the dice with a first round player. Ellis needs to be in a top 4 side with strong contested and hard working players around him because he doesn't do the hard stuff at all well. So in a crap gutless side looks useless. GWS would give up a top 10 pick for him I reckon.
Top 10? Geez thats extremely optimistic i reckon
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Trade Ellis, get a first round draft pick from GC or GWS and roll the dice with a first round player. Ellis needs to be in a top 4 side with strong contested and hard working players around him because he doesn't do the hard stuff at all well. So in a crap gutless side looks useless. GWS would give up a top 10 pick for him I reckon.
Top 10? Geez thats extremely optimistic i reckon
Youd get a late first rounder for him easily
Kid you not
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Trade Ellis, get a first round draft pick from GC or GWS and roll the dice with a first round player. Ellis needs to be in a top 4 side with strong contested and hard working players around him because he doesn't do the hard stuff at all well. So in a crap gutless side looks useless. GWS would give up a top 10 pick for him I reckon.
Top 10? Geez thats extremely optimistic i reckon
Youd get a late first rounder for him easily
Kid you not
So say pick 12-18 easily? Dunno......but if we can take it and run
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Sell
Sell
Sell
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I'm still stuffing confused. Does B.Ellis have a wife or not?
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I'm still stuffing confused. Does B.Ellis have a wife or not?
The squibette
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His courage in the air has always been inverse to his courage on the ground. It's quite bizarre really.
Smart club would trade him. So expect him to be re-signed for another three years.
Lmfao!!!! When i said this god knows how long ago i was jumped on and pilloried by the DH's on this site.
Sooner or later every one comes around on most things. ;)
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His courage in the air has always been inverse to his courage on the ground. It's quite bizarre really.
Smart club would trade him. So expect him to be re-signed for another three years.
Lmfao!!!! When i said this god knows how long ago i was jumped on and pilloried by the DH's on this site.
Sooner or later every one comes around on most things. ;)
How many Damian Hardwicks are on this site? :huh
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His courage in the air has always been inverse to his courage on the ground. It's quite bizarre really.
Smart club would trade him. So expect him to be re-signed for another three years.
Lmfao!!!! When i said this god knows how long ago i was jumped on and pilloried by the DH's on this site.
Sooner or later every one comes around on most things. ;)
Repost or your just making up bullpoo
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His courage in the air has always been inverse to his courage on the ground. It's quite bizarre really.
Smart club would trade him. So expect him to be re-signed for another three years.
Lmfao!!!! When i said this god knows how long ago i was jumped on and pilloried by the DH's on this site.
Sooner or later every one comes around on most things. ;)
Repost or your just making up bullpoo
And here come the DH brigade trying to waste my time again. See ya people rest assured i will be back to post things that are sure to be regurgitated.
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His courage in the air has always been inverse to his courage on the ground. It's quite bizarre really.
Smart club would trade him. So expect him to be re-signed for another three years.
Lmfao!!!! When i said this god knows how long ago i was jumped on and pilloried by the DH's on this site.
Sooner or later every one comes around on most things. ;)
Repost or your just making up bullpoo
And here come the DH brigade trying to waste my time again. See ya people rest assured i will be back to post things that are sure to be regurgitated.
Dont be precious Claw just repost it.
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I'm still stuffing confused. Does B.Ellis have a wife or not?
The squibette
'Larry'
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Uncoachable.
Moron.
Delist
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Easily the second best player on our list.*
*named Ellis
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Effing soft as sh1te
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Trade
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Must go to VFL for rest of the year. Has no pride wearing the jumper
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Must go to VFL for rest of the year. Has no pride wearing the jumper
Gets the ball and looks back all the bloody time :banghead gets tackled and gives the ball back all the bloody time :bangheadnot to mention he is so soft i can't stand it :bangheadbut the good news is he can run :whistle
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Must go to VFL for rest of the year. Has no pride wearing the jumper
Gets the ball and looks back all the bloody time :banghead gets tackled and gives the ball back all the bloody time :bangheadnot to mention he is so soft i can't stand it :bangheadbut the good news is he can run :whistle
Great summary.
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yarp, hock him off for a pick or a player, seen enough of his crap
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Why even bother anymore...
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I hate to say "I told you so" but I did.
Even when he was getting his meaningless 30 touches.
Brandon Ellis is the most scared Tiger player I have ever seen.
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I hate to say "I told you so" but I did.
Even when he was getting his meaningless 30 touches.
Brandon Ellis is the most scared Tiger player I have ever seen.
He'll be jostling with Houli for that I would have thought. :whistle
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I hate to say "I told you so" but I did.
Even when he was getting his meaningless 30 touches.
Brandon Ellis is the most scared Tiger player I have ever seen.
He'll be jostling with Houli for that I would have thought. :whistle
Yes good call but I think Brandon by a nose.
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Ellis player with the Flu today
Why play him ?
Seriously
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Ellis player with the Flu today
Why play him ?
Seriously
Must be pretty bad, he has had it since arriving at the club.
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Ellis player with the Flu today
Why play him ?
Seriously
Must be pretty bad, he has had it since arriving at the club.
Was back at social club aftermath
Couldn't talk
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Ellis player with the Flu today
Why play him ?
Seriously
Must be pretty bad, he has had it since arriving at the club.
Was back at social club aftermath
Couldn't talk
You or him... ;D
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Ellis player with the Flu today
Why play him ?
Seriously
Must be pretty bad, he has had it since arriving at the club.
Was back at social club aftermath
Couldn't talk
You or him... ;D
:lol
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FHOASAP
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That is how dumb the club is. They should have dropped him with the flu & played a youngster like maybe Butler.
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Ellis player with the Flu today
Why play him ?
Seriously
Must be pretty bad, he has had it since arriving at the club.
Was back at social club aftermath
Couldn't talk
If he was that sick then he should have gone home to bed after the game.
Definitely shouldn't have been sent back to the social club.
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I hear Hampson was being a good bloke though
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I blame firittio
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Terrific, just terrificTM
Did his stock standard number 2s when he thought he was going to be tackled. Worst of the 3 bunch was on the final qtr.. :banghead
Trade him, will get a late 1st rounder or ealry 2nd rounder for him seeing a couple of clubs rate him highly (have no idea why)
Just flick him ASAP.
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From Inside Football's Brett Anderson:
"Non-premiership contenders can't carry mids who can't win own ball. Brandon Ellis avgs just 26% cont. poss in career. Trade out to contender"
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF
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He is still fairly young
reckon he would be attractive to any club with a better development program and game plan than our club.
there's probably 16 of those clubs too :thumbsup so reckon we could offer a trade
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Don't even need better development (although it would help him). Teams could carry him with better players around him. Problem is we rely on him to some extent and he can't handle it
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He is still fairly young
reckon he would be attractive to any club with a better development program and game plan than our club.
there's probably 16 of those clubs too :thumbsup so reckon we could offer a trade
He was an U18 all australian so must have some talent. Probably the player most suffering under Hardwicks coaching. Can't remember a player going backwards so much.
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Ellis player with the Flu today
Why play him ?
Seriously
Must be pretty bad, he has had it since arriving at the club.
Was back at social club aftermath
Couldn't talk
Why wasn't he home in bed.
stuffing moron.
Make every other prick sick just so he can go to the social rooms
stuffn dud loser
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Should give him a run with role for the rest of the year and see how he goes. He may squib it up or he may find some contested ball, who knows
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Just play him where he will get the ball, at the moment he literally looks like he is on a social jog around the local park and occasionally picks up a ball from someone elses kick to kick.
Again this is where the criticism of Hardwick is warranted, clearly something is not working but he refuses to change things up. Surely current positions are worth some experimentation given our current circumstance.
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Play him......in another team.
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Really sad this has happened to his career.
Honestly feel like the squibiness was coached into him. Could have been a gun but now he's likely to be a middling footballer his whole career unless somebody else can coach him onto the right path. He has some real weapons like his running, goal kicking and marking.
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Just play him where he will get the ball, at the moment he literally looks like he is on a social jog around the local park and occasionally picks up a ball from someone elses kick to kick.
Again this is where the criticism of Hardwick is warranted, clearly something is not working but he refuses to change things up. Surely current positions are worth some experimentation given our current circumstance.
Problem is he is already finding the ball and that's why he gets a game albeit it all being on the outside and him being a poor kick (which hasn't always been the case). That's why we need to move him, not just play him where he'll get the ball because he already does
Disagree with the other comment about his squibiness being coached into him, he's always been a squib
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Really sad this has happened to his career.
Honestly feel like the squibiness was coached into him. Could have been a gun but now he's likely to be a middling footballer his whole career unless somebody else can coach him onto the right path. He has some real weapons like his running, goal kicking and marking.
Totally agree
Was run and carry player who has been ruined
Playing like he is totally confused
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Id actually play him as a tagger for the rest of the season and try and salvage something from his career
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Trade.
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Has value in AFL circles
Trade
Will get a late 1st or early 2nd round pick for him
Which is what we need
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Problem is he is already finding the ball and that's why he gets a game albeit it all being on the outside and him being a poor kick (which hasn't always been the case). That's why we need to move him, not just play him where he'll get the ball because he already does
Yep.
That'll fix it.
You're amazing.
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i think someone has a crush
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i think someone has a crush
He must have. Heaven forbid we actually TRY something for the remaining four games. Oh I forgot, the protocol is to just whinge whinge and whinge that something must be done. Surely that'll fix it
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seems to have worked a treat so far
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A bit of an insight into the kid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJrQTy2bpHI
and some highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCSJRJMfSLY
He's the opposite to this now.
Now he plays "The Richmond Way". :rollin
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
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Ellis is a prime example of the hardwick effect. Recruited as a hard running attacking confident long kicking midfielder and has turned into an indecisive backward kicking dud.
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Love your work tigeritis - and then people try and tell us dimma isnt the problem
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Ellis would be great at clyb with a hard running free fowing supportive high tackl intensity club.
That is why is is perceived as being no good at RFC
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Ellis would be playing reserves and eventually delisted at a hard running free flowing supportive high tackle intensity club.
That is why he is no good.
e.f.a.
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Imbecile
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Ellis would be playing reserves and eventually delisted at a hard running free flowing supportive high tackle intensity club.
That is why he is no good.
e.f.a.
:clapping :clapping
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Ellis would be great at clyb with a hard running free fowing supportive high tackl intensity club.
That is why is is perceived as being no good at RFC
Would be handy in the women's league
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Inside Football's Brett Anderson's view of Ellis:
"[Brownlow] Votes mean nothing. He doesn't win his own ball and doesn't hurt teams on outside."
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/780533266843447296
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Inside Football's Brett Anderson's view of Ellis:
"[Brownlow] Votes mean nothing. He doesn't win his own ball and doesn't hurt teams on outside."
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/780533266843447296
:gobdrop really?
Been reading OER?
;D
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How many vote did she get ??
Well done bellis :bow
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How many vote did she get ??
Well done bellis :bow
Bellen
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What a chapstick lmao
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Not sure why all the hate for Brandon, by all accounts he signs a good autograph
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Not sure why all the hate for Brandon, by all accounts he signs a good autograph
In the car park too! :shh
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Not sure why all the hate for Brandon, by all accounts he signs a good autograph
In the car park too! :shh
At training
Where he trains well
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Played with my hair once
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Bellen De Brandonis
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Apparently someone here can vouch for autograph signings as they have a bin nestled right next to Rat boys 2 bedroom chic bin :shh
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AFL Blowtorch 2017: Brandon Ellis
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
19 January 2017[/i]
EVERY season, players at all 18 AFL clubs fight for their careers and reputations.
The 2017 season will be no different — especially for these 18 men.
From the most talented and highest paid, to the out-of-contract youngsters hoping to remain on a list — many will be hoping to put together a flawless pre-season then perform when the home and away season arrives.
So who’s under the pump at your club?
Which players must produce scintillating 2017 seasons in order to release the pressure valve?
Here’s the player under the most pressure at your AFL club ahead of the season.
RICHMOND
Brandon Ellis
While skipper Trent Cotchin copped the brunt of the heat aimed at Tigers players last year, Ellis was arguably the most disappointing performer as the club plummeted down the ladder. After great 2014 and 2015 campaigns, Ellis’ output declined in 2016, averaging just 85.4 Champion Data ranking points per match — 15 less than in 2015. The first-round draft pick was also ranked 24th for average uncontested possessions, which was well down on his 2014 (third) and 2015 (sixth) returns. For Ellis, who’s out of contract at the end of the year, a big KPI in 2017 for him will be his workrate — a workrate that must return to its peak this season.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-2017-afl-blowtorch-the-players-under-most-pressure-to-perform-this-season/news-story/19c121a73e88b3bcabf6b6406d1c48c4
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Player ratings - Moving down
BRANDON ELLIS
2015 pre-season: 191
Now: 240
Ellis moved from the wing to half-back at the start of this season and he has continued his trend of winning less of the footy. In 2014, he posted a career-high 26.1 disposals per game and that number is down to 19.6 this year. His kicking and decision-making under pressure have always been a query, and those concerns became particularly obvious early in this campaign.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-10/player-rankings-who-is-moving-up-and-down-at-your-club
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Please trade him for a high 2nd rounder....
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Please trade him for a high 2nd rounder....
While he still has some currency :pray
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Pretty sure that I read somewhere a few months ago that he was part of a group of AFL players that wants to either reduce the number of years to qualify for free agency or abolish the restrictions altogether.....which could be interpreted as someone who wants out *he says wishfully*..... :shh
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Pretty sure that I read somewhere a few months ago that he was part of a group of AFL players that wants to either reduce the number of years to qualify for free agency or abolish the restrictions altogether.....which could be interpreted as someone who wants out *he says wishfully*..... :shh
For that to have any substance in regards to him, he'd have to be a player another club needed.
Lmao at that.
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Finally did something good and it lasted all of 23 seconds..... :whistle
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Finally did something good and it lasted all of 23 seconds..... :whistle
:lol
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Finally did something good and it lasted all of 23 seconds..... :whistle
Thats what she said
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Thought was very poor today. Does very little for a player that consistently doesn't man up at stoppages. This is fine if the opposing unmarked players don't have much effect but when Hill and Walters are running around unmanned and our 'unmanned' players includes Ellis, can't accept games like his today. Great goal at the end but wasn't effective at all compared to his opponents.
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Nancy. :lol
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Is this guy wacko?
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The people who keep picking him are.
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The people who keep picking him are.
That goes without saying.
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B.Ellis putting his head over it, copping the hit and snagging a nice left foot snap :bow
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Guy should be immortalised with a statue :bow
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Should be put in the middle of PRO
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Should be put in the middle of PRO
PR
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Gerard Wimpley on 360 saw "Ellis" named in the outs and assumed it was him....what was interesting was that nobody corrected him or expressed surprise....
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All very quiet this morning
I thought he was BOG last night
Think the haircut has done the trick
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All very quiet this morning
I thought he was BOG last night
Think the haircut has done the trick
Totally agree. Was fantastic. It's just these types of games are Tyronesque in their randomness across his career.
Let's hope it is the hair, he does look less like a lesbian talk show host ;) :cheers ;D
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Definitely played a very good game. Best I have seen him play for a very long time. I hope for him and the club it is the turning point.
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Yep played a good game. Now only owes us 100 or so more good ones to make it even
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Poise from Bellis? Who would've thought it? Let's hop it's a turning point
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I have been waiting a long time for this
Shame we can't keep all players on our list for 100 games or so until they notch up a good one
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He's scared and again short armed a contest last night.
He is what he is.
Ditto Houli.
You can't teach a player courage.
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I saw him stop short when he was going for the ball against a bombers player several times and this lead to a bombers clearance rather than a contested ball because contested isn't in this squibs lexicon. He is a delicate flower protecting his petals.
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SNIP :banghead
Finally have a spare 45 minutes to deal with this nonsense :banghead :banghead
Will leave the topic as it is an interesting discussion point
But the clear trolling but more the point bating of other posters has been removed.
Stick to the bloody topic and keep your childish feuds off the forum
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All very quiet this morning
I thought he was BOG last night
Think the haircut has done the trick
He has deserved every whack that he has copped over his time...his poor /pathetic games out weigh the good by a long, long way, to borrow a phrase FACT
Yes he was excellent last night, would go as far as to say it is the best game he's played but...
and let's not distort things or be seduced by last night ...
but...
what he showed last night should be the norm on a regular basis not the exception
Show effort like every week and the whacks will disappear. Revert back to the same old same old that we've witnessed for the majority of his career and the whacks will return bigger and louder than before (quite rightly I might add)
One game wont define him, consistency of effort like last night (or lack there of) will
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All very quiet this morning
I thought he was BOG last night
Think the haircut has done the trick
He has deserved every whack that he has copped over his time...his poor /pathetic games out weigh the good by a long, long way, to borrow a phrase FACT
Yes he was excellent last night, would go as far as to say it is the best game he's played but...
and let's not distort things or be seduced by last night ...
but...
what he showed last night should be the norm on a regular basis not the exception
Show effort like every week and the whacks will disappear. Revert back to the same old same old that we've witnessed for the majority of his career and the whacks will return bigger and louder than before (quite rightly I might add)
One game wont define him, consistency of effort like last night (or lack there of) will
:clapping
great post
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Most posts in here are correct...including Damo's & Owl's .... :shh
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All very quiet this morning
I thought he was BOG last night
Think the haircut has done the trick
He had a good game.
That's just GOOD.
NOW, If u work out how many games he plays a season where he's 🚺♿️,
It's not even worth mentioning.
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He's scared and again short armed a contest last night.
He is what he is.
Ditto Houli.
You can't teach a player courage.
Don't forget Griggs shirks
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Grigg's delivery kills us....and yes I know he's not the only culprit, but he's main one and the worst recidivist....
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I cannot stand BEllis but he was good last night. And even Houli for that matter.
All AFL footballers have talent but it's the ones that the bad outweighs the good that get criticism, and imo Ellis is one of those players.
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Energised Ellis
richmondfc.com.au
28 May 2017
Hard-running Richmond utility Brandon Ellis produced his best performance of season 2017 in last night’s blockbuster ‘Dreamtime at the G’ clash.
Ellis played a pivotal role in Richmond’s 15-point victory over Essendon, picking up a season-high 30 disposals, including 13 contested possessions, took an equal game-high (and season-high for him) nine marks, had an equal team-high nine intercepts, eight score involvements and snapped a crucial goal late in the third quarter that regained the lead for the Tigers.
He received three votes in the Yiooken Medal, which was awarded to his Tiger teammate Dustin Martin for being adjudged best afield in the Dreamtime game.
“I thought Brandon was really solid tonight,” Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said in his post-match press conference.
“He’s been pretty good for the majority of the year.
“We like his flexibility down back and playing the wing . . .
“He’s taken a step forward, which is good.
“He’d be the first to admit he wasn’t overly happy with his year last year, and neither were we.
“But we challenged him and he’s starting to play some good football that we know he can, more consistently.”
Ellis, a 23-year-old veteran of 120 league games with the Tigers, is averaging 20.7 disposals this season.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-05-28/energised-ellis
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From Robbo's "Likes/Dislikes" column today:
DUSTIN Martin was very good on Friday night and was a worthy winner, but Brandon Ellis would’ve been worthier. He was huge. Had a game-high 148 ranking points, 30 disposals, 18 uncontested possessions and a team-high nine intercept possessions. He’s not damaging enough to play out-and-out midfield and this year has gone to defence. Against the Bombers, he had Parish for 34 minutes and picked up anyone else who came near him. He went at 90 per cent efficiency which is outstanding for Ellis and an equal career-high 13 contested possessions. While Martin was influential, Ellis was stellar and I look forward to Damien Hardwick giving him five votes.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/indigenous-stars-light-up-indigenous-round-as-more-umpiring-controversy-splits-the-afl/news-story/da7ba41ef0fa980132e93e48f9bb87fe
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Another great game
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Another great game
Yep. He is also showing more leadership on the ground.
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He went back to kicking it backwards and sideways last night. Why does he do that?
Can someone tell me how many meters he gained for his 18 kicks?
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First game in a long time that I didn't see him either short arm a contest or poo himself completely
Wow
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He went back to kicking it backwards and sideways last night. Why does he do that?
Can someone tell me how many meters he gained for his 18 kicks?
Reason he went backwards TWICE as North had pushed every player behind the ball and we had 4 players sitting behind Brando
Watch the game
382 meters gained
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He went back to kicking it backwards and sideways last night. Why does he do that?
Can someone tell me how many meters he gained for his 18 kicks?
Reason he went backwards TWICE as North had pushed every player behind the ball and we had 4 players sitting behind Brando
Watch the game
It was more that twice Jackiboy.
There are times he doesn't even look forward.
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Thought his first half was just OK
2nd half was excellent
Though, he first option is still looking to go backwards or sideways, which he just doesn't need to do.
Couple of times last night he created the only option of going sideways because he had killed momentum when he didn't need to. Stop, prop look every way but ahead. Missed a couple of free blokes down the line by doing this
(and FWIW I was at the game and believe it or not watched it >:()
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Was very good again, shows that when the coaching staff have our mid tier prepared, fit and at their best we are a top top side!!
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He went back to kicking it backwards and sideways last night. Why does he do that?
Can someone tell me how many meters he gained for his 18 kicks?
Reason he went backwards TWICE as North had pushed every player behind the ball and we had 4 players sitting behind Brando
Watch the game
382 meters gained
So he averages 20 metres per kick.
With our long kicking style of footy this year that stat doesn't really fit with that. It's barely the required distance.
Like WP said, there is just no need to go sideways WITHOUT looking forward first.
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I understand your point BT but he was as important as Jack in that 3rd quarter and looks to be really hitting his straps
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I understand your point BT but he was as important as Jack in that 3rd quarter and looks to be really hitting his straps
I already said he played well but my point was that he still wants to take the easy option when he gets the footy by going backwards.
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So he averages 20 metres per kick.
With our long kicking style of footy this year that stat doesn't really fit with that.
That's a tad misleading bro. You can't just take his metres gained and divide it by his kicks (and still round it down to 20 :lol) and not factor in handballs
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So he averages 20 metres per kick.
With our long kicking style of footy this year that stat doesn't really fit with that.
That's a tad misleading bro. You can't just take his metres gained and divide it by his kicks (and still round it down to 20 :lol) and not factor in handballs
If you factor in the handballs into his metres gained its worse than 20 metres per kick bro. What is misleading about that?
I look forward to your reply bro
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Caracella
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So he averages 20 metres per kick.
With our long kicking style of footy this year that stat doesn't really fit with that.
That's a tad misleading bro. You can't just take his metres gained and divide it by his kicks (and still round it down to 20 :lol) and not factor in handballs
If you factor in the handballs into his metres gained its worse than 20 metres per kick bro. What is misleading about that?
I look forward to your reply bro
Was exactly my point bro but I forgot you can't handle anyone questioning you, even if in the grand scheme of things it proves your original point even more :lol
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Brandon Ellis’ excellent emergence
richmondfc.com.au
5 June 2017
Richmond vice-captain Jack Riewoldt believes growing maturity and self-belief have been key factors in hard-running Tiger Brandon Ellis producing arguably the best football of his six-year AFL career during the past few weeks.
Ellis, 23, has racked up 25-plus disposals in Richmond’s past three games and been a major contributor for the team through his impressive rebounding work.
He finished with 30 disposals in the Tigers’ victory over North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium last Saturday night, including four inside-50s, five score involvements, plus seven marks, 18 pressure acts and 382 metres gained.
It’s a significant upturn for Ellis, who established himself as one of the competition’s best young players early in his AFL career, before his form tapered off a bit.
“He probably excelled well beyond his years early on,” Riewoldt said on SEN.
“He made an All-Australian squad three or four years ago and people were ready for him to break out, but he had a couple of probably down years by his own high standards.
“It comes back to a little bit of maturity, and he’s really grasped that half-back/wing role . . .
“He’s playing so well for us and believing in himself as well.
“The group’s believed in him for a long time, but sometimes it’s hard for a young kid to see the light for himself, especially on the big stages of AFL footy, at a big club like Richmond.
“But he looks like he’s done that, and he’s been super-impressive . . .
“He’s become a reliable player for us and someone that we can count on.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-06-05/ellis-excellent-emergence
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We've rightly on here criticised Ellis in the past (especially last year) but credit where it's due. As TM pointed out during the game, Brandon had one of his best games tonight - 27 possies @ 81% eff., 7 marks, 4 Re50s, 4 In50s and 3 goal assists.
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We've rightly on here criticised Ellis in the past (especially last year) but credit where it's due. As TM pointed out during the game, Brandon had one of his best games tonight - 27 possies @ 81% eff., 7 marks, 4 Re50s, 4 In50s and 3 goal assists.
Yeah agree it is just frustrating when he has his soft games of which there have been plenty
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He still pulls out of contests but I think he's found his niche as a player in the team which we need.
He's become someone who makes me comfortable he won't turn it over when he has ball in hand
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11.15 left in the last
He's our softest player. If that was anyone else people would be all over it, but with Bellis it's the norm and we are immune
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I hate soft pricks.
Overall that's what the team are
They lack any killer instinct.
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he had a good one
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Bobble head isn't the worst but..
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Heh...soft & fruity....
(http://www.bellisfruitbars.com/_img/lg-100g-school-bars.jpg)
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When he smashed into Dangerfield and didn't squibb and when I realised it was Ellis I suddenly thought that a win might just be possible.
He didn't get the possessions he normally gets but I liked what I saw.
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When he smashed into Dangerfield and didn't squibb and when I realised it was Ellis I suddenly thought that a win might just be possible.
He didn't get the possessions he normally gets but I liked what I saw.
Loved that
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Thought it was one of his better games in a long while. Sure he didn't get a lot of it but his defensive work was the best I've seen from him probably ever.
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I actually smiled when he crashed into Dangerfield, took some courage, hope he makes that his standard from now on.
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The crash into Dangerfiled was brilliant
Fired him up and crashed and bashed the resr of the game
More please
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Will either be a turning point or make him even more gun shy....hopefully it's the former...at least for two more matches....
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gotta give credit to Clangerfield though, he took a hammering and brushed it all off lol prick
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Brandon Ellis flourishing in richmond wonderland
Brandon Ellis opens up on form slump, clash with Patrick Dangerfield, his dad’s cancer battle and the Tiger army
GLENN McFARLANE,
Herald Sun
17 September 2017
BRANDON Ellis watched last year’s preliminary finals from a beach bar in Seminyak, Bali — far from the madding AFL crowds, wishing he was a part of the action.
Twelve months on, the Richmond defender finds himself preparing for the biggest game of his life — and he hopes an even more significant one might come the week after.
Richmond’s stunning turnaround in the space of a year has been one of the stories of the AFL season, and it has mirrored Ellis’s own revival as a player after a couple of “average” years.
“It’s been an interesting ride,” Ellis told the Sunday Herald Sun.
“Who would have thought 12 months ago we would have been in this position?
“We haven’t shied away from the media. We have been able to soak it up, and make the most of the opportunities. That’s what ‘Dimma’ (coach Damien Hardwick) has said to us, and he has obviously played in premierships before, and was (an assistant coach) at Hawthorn in 2008.
“We’re feeding off him at the moment, and he knows what he is doing.”
Ellis, 24, pinpointed several reasons behind Richmond’s rise from 13th last year to winning the club’s first final in 16 years, demolishing Geelong in last week’s qualifying final.
Part of that has been sheer hard work, mixed in with some “honesty” sessions, as well as some coaching, tactical and philosophical modifications to the Tigers’ operations.
“We did a lot of work in the pre-season,” Ellis said. “We brought in some new faces and some new coaches, and obviously a new game plan.
“The biggest thing was that Dimma took us back to having fun again. There haven’t been as many rules we have to follow.
“We are just playing on instinct, where you don’t have to think too much about it.
“If you think too much about things you tend to hesitate, and when you don’t hesitate you just get to play with more freedom. That’s when people play their best footy.”
THIS change in philosophy — plus a positional role change — has had an impact on Ellis, too.
He has had his most consistent season since his breakthrough 2014, when he finished second in the Jack Dyer Medal as a 21-year-old.
That level of performance three years ago — as good as it was — became a bit of a millstone around his neck when he failed to recapture the same form in 2015-16, when he was playing predominantly as an outside wingman.
Ellis, who loves the Tigers’ connection to their largely loyal but long-suffering fan base, admitted he did cop some criticism from a portion of the faithful.
“Ninety per cent of the fans are always good and backing you up, but I had a few quiet years and I did cope some s--t from some of the supporters,” he said.
“I probably set some high expectations in 2014, and they probably expected a bit more.”
A meeting with Hardwick during his first week back at pre-season training late last year gave Ellis not just greater clarity about his role within the team, but also confidence in a quick rebound.
“Dimma just pulled me in and said, ‘Mate, I want you to play in the backline, I want you to nail that spot,’” he said.
“I felt confident he was going to back me in. I got together a plan with (defensive coach) Ben Rutten and we nailed it step by step.
“Obviously, there have been some highs and lows, but I feel as if I have had a pretty good year and hopefully I can now finish it off with a good finals series.”
Part of that was improving the contested component to his game, while maintaining his obvious strengths, including his rebounding speed, his run-and-carry ability, his strong use of the ball and his incredible durability.
ELLIS has missed only three games since his debut season, and has played 104 games consecutively.
That harder edge was on display last week against the Cats when he crashed into Patrick Dangerfield in the second quarter, after which both players got up gingerly.
“I wish it hadn’t been Dangerfield,” Ellis joked.
“He is like a brick wall.
“I just saw the ball and had to press forward and get to the contest because if I hadn’t, they (Geelong) were out.
“I didn’t even know it was him. I just went down and tried to pick the ball up, and felt this big truck coming in. It sort of stunned me a bit; it bloody hurt.”
But seeing Ellis get to his feet, several teammates including captain Trent Cotchin got around him to congratulate him for his attack on the ball.
“Four or five blokes came over and picked me up, which made me feel good about myself,” he said.
“I would have done it at the next contest, because you know they have your back.”
Ellis said the connection between the 2017 Richmond players was difficult to express in words, but acknowledged that closeness had played a big role in the season.
“We have never been so connected before,” he said.
“We trust each other like we never have before. Throughout the pre-season, we just did these sessions where we opened up in front of the whole group. We spoke about where we grew up, and the hardships we had been through in our lives. We talked about the highlights of our careers and who our heroes were.”
Ellis would not go into detail about his own “honesty” sessions, saying he wanted to keep that within the group.
But there is no doubt part of it centred on his father Dale’s two cancer battles, which he won.
Dale lost one of his kidneys to cancer when Ellis was young, and two years later found he had cancer in his oesophagus.
During one of those periods Brandon decided to quit his pathway through the Calder Cannons — he had started footy at Auskick as a four-year-old — before his father and coaches convinced him to return.
“It definitely shapes you,” he said of his father’s health battles.
“It makes you not take life for granted. Dad said, ‘Don’t give up footy, just take it up and do it for me again.’
“I got a lot of motivation out of that, and the support I got from my family (his father, his mother, Nancy, and his siblings Sean and Kate) and from the Cannons was awesome.
“Dad is all good now, and the only times he ever missed a game or a training session is when he was going through his treatment. He loves his footy.”
Having initially been a Collingwood supporter, following his dad’s lead, Ellis switched to North Melbourne in the early days when his cousin’s nanna, Judy Francis, offered to take him into the Kangaroos’ rooms. She was the club’s cook.
He got to meet North stars like Wayne Carey, Anthony Stevens, Glenn Archer and Brent Harvey — and even got to play against “Boomer”.
Understandably, his family is staunchly Richmond now.
They will be there en masse to see him play in a preliminary final at the MCG next Saturday. Ellis has never been to a preliminary final, but now gets to play in one.
If the Tigers win, he will also attend his first AFL Grand Final — as a participant.
“We believe our best is good enough,” he said. “It is just going to come down to whether we can perform to our best on game day.”
Whatever happens, Ellis knows the crowd will be there to support him, just as it was so vocal against the Cats.
“I played in the final against Carlton (in 2013), and that was unbelievable,” he said.
“I live with ‘Broady’ (Nathan Broad) and last week was his first final. I said to him, ‘Wait until you run through the banner and hear the noise.’
“We both looked at each other when we ran out and smiled at each other. It was massive.
“Then Geelong ran out and they got the loudest boo.
“That gave us so much confidence.”
A tongue-in-cheek Brandon on ...
Trent Cotchin: “He has the hairiest back.”
Dustin Martin: “He plays the shy card, but he isn’t (shy).”
Alex Rance: “He’s an absolute clown (off the field).”
Jack Riewoldt: “Me, me and me.”
Dion Prestia: “He’s the human meatball.”
Housemate Nathan Broad: “I’ve never met a bloke who spends more time in front of the mirror.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/brandon-ellis-flourishing-in-richmond-wonderland/news-story/092701512490b858b4175a0d53c40395
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Was it just me or did Branden really stink it up last night?
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Was it just me or did Branden really stink it up last night?
Him and a fair few others.
Seen him do a couple of good things but overall impact was low.
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Was it just me or did Branden really stink it up last night?
Got a few moments of good BEllis
But dear or dear got some really bad BEllis and I mean really bad BEllis
Agree with Chuck
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He's improved from "absolutejy shyte" to "enigmatic".... :clapping
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Took quite a few short steps..... :shh
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Took quite a few short steps..... :shh
He did a few times last night :thumbsdown
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yeah he won my poo list award for that game
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Took quite a few short steps..... :shh
Yep that's bad BEllis
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Looked like he was panicking under pressure to me
Needs to improve on that.
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Not impressed but it's round 1. Never write off a fearless premiership hero :shh
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Fearless in finals, Heartless in Home & Away.... :shh
.....be interesting o see if Houli's the same when he comes back....:shh :shh
...perhaps they're just the sort of players who can only really focus when the flag is within touching distance.... :shh :shh :shh
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Fearless in finals, Heartless in Home & Away.... :shh
.....be interesting o see if Houli's the same when he comes back....:shh :shh
...perhaps they're just the sort of players who can only really focus when the flag is within touching distance.... :shh :shh :shh
:shh
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BEllis is back. :help
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BEllis is back. :help
Yep
Terrific, just terrific TM
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The fact we won a flag with a girl playing is a testament to her team mates
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The fact we won a flag with a girl playing is a testament to her team mates
You're making it unfair on girls calling him that.
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Was it just me or did Branden really stink it up last night?
Groundhog Day
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(https://s7.postimg.org/9b59sugrf/0_C97_BE1_E-6732-4893-8_EEC-_CCCCA6_C1_DE83.jpg)
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Was it just me or did Branden really stink it up last night?
Groundhog Day
It wasn’t just you, he stank it up bad along with Conca and Cellis
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After his first 2 games this guy should be dropped big time, no accountability and his disposal is woeful.
IMO he should be traded. He is as good as he will ever be and no disrespect he is holding his spot under false pretenses.
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traded
haha that didnt take long
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After his first 2 games this guy should be dropped big time, no accountability and his disposal is woeful.
IMO he should be traded. He is as good as he will ever be and no disrespect he is holding his spot under false pretenses.
I think he'd be one of the first names thrown up if we were going to trade a 'premiership' player. Easily replaceable.
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Alas he won't be traded on Hardwick's watch.....never even been dropped... :shh
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I just hope he doesn't return to that frustrating player again first 2 games been poor.His a premiership player and had a big contribution to our flag only way is up.
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As we can all agree, body contact is not this guys strong point. So what I don’t understand is with this being the case why was he moved to defence? I mean hard to argue with the results given we were premiers the first season he started playing there, but surely he’d be more useful playing on the wing where he can utilise his strong aerobic running ability and get the ball on the outside. Don’t think you can use 2016 as a reference point as to why he shouldn’t play there considering literally every player bar a small handful were pathetic that year.
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Well done Brandon, good game, that should be your output every week
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The 'G suits him best..... :shh
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'It's energy in for me': Durable Tiger opens up
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
Apr 14, 2018 11:10AM
EVEN AS a junior suburban footballer, Brandon Ellis knew the importance of post-match recovery.
Every Sunday, Ellis' dad Dale would drop the teenager off at the Brunswick Baths on Dawson Street in Melbourne's north, so he could soak his battered body after playing for the Calder Cannons the day before.
It was a ritual that started when Ellis was in the Cannons' under-16 program. He'd just been introduced to ice baths, and the idea of recovery sessions away from the club.
Ellis, 24, laughs now when remembering how his unspecific approach to pool sessions probably didn't do a great deal for the repair of his body.
But he believes it influenced the meticulous approach he now has to recovery, which might just be why he's played 109 consecutive games to be second to only Zach Tuohy as the competition's current most durable players.
"It's got me to where I am today, doing those little things when I was younger," Ellis told AFL.com.au, on the eve of his 110th-straight game.
"It's energy in for me – for a lot of guys, it could be energy out, thinking, 'I've got to come to the club again' when they just want to get away, but I love doing it.
"For me, it's more mental. If I'm good mentally, my body's going to feel fine."
Many would be surprised at the level of dedication Ellis shows to manage his body between games.
He does extra Pilates and weights sessions outside of the club, and sources his own two-hour massage on his day off.
He always gets moving two days after a game – the danger period when players naturally want to rest after recovery the day before – with a light run or bike session.
And he goes into the club for extra ice baths, having discovered a way to make them bearable.
"You put the towel in the spa and put it around your neck, so you get the hot water running down for 10 minutes," he said.
"And you wear socks. Always wear socks."
It's been a big 14 months for Ellis. In last year's pre-season training camp in Mooloolaba, the hard-at-it Tiger had a personal awakening.
He was the first player to present at the Tigers' now-famous Triple H (hero, hardship and highlight) sessions, where he shared the story of his dad's battle with cancer, how he'd been ashamed to grow up in a housing commission flat, and about the day he was drafted.
It was an emotional time for Ellis, who hates public speaking, as he talked about how Dale was one of the lucky ones who recovered despite a bleak initial diagnosis.
The exercise brought the Tigers closer together on the eve of their premiership season, and one Ellis says keeps delivering today.
"I was being this person I wasn't before," he said.
"I told my story and it felt like a big monkey off my shoulders. People just knew why I was the way I was, because of my past.
"I think it 100 per cent still affects us now. You can just be yourself. That's it.
"That's the best part about coming to the club every day now, you can come in and be yourself, you don't have to be anyone else."
It's all come together for Ellis over the last few years.
Early in his career, Damien Hardwick told the group they wouldn't be picked if they didn't have something to busy themselves outside of football.
In his first year, Ellis simply focused on surviving each session, as most players new to the system do.
But in his second season, he did a real estate and a business course.
In his third year, he founded his company Uncle Jack with close mate Robbie Ball, which has gone from strength to strength.
Their affordable range of watches has grown to a collection of 39 styles that have recently been launched in America.
It's all helped Ellis balance his life away from football, which he struggled to do in the early days after being drafted in 2011.
Last year, Ellis was moved to half-back. Hardwick came up to him after a pre-season time trial and told him the move was happening.
It was there he flourished as a hard-ball winning defender after losing his way somewhat on the wing in 2016, and down back is where he wants to stay.
"I needed change. Change is always good and healthy, and I think 'Dimma' picked it at the right time," he said.
"When I go out there, I just feel free. Everything is just so simple and easy. I just know what I have to do.
"I love the backline now so hopefully I can keep growing there."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-14/its-energy-in-for-me-durable-tiger-opens-up
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Brandon on the Sunday Footy Show today:
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/SunFootyShow/status/985337173359538177
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Just out of interest, what would Brandon be earning this year?
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Based on 3/4 of his matches so far this year......way too much......
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Richmond player Brandon Ellis gives glowing character reference to alleged armed robber Omar Benhaddou
Ed Gardiner, Herald Sun
May 7, 2018 3:24pm
Subscriber only
A MAN accused of bashing a disability pensioner during a violent armed robbery has been granted bail after a glowing reference from an AFL premiership player.
Richmond star Brandon Ellis has come to the defence of his close mate, who is accused of taping a grandfather’s mouth shut and holding the man prisoner in his Carlton home.
Ellis’ long-time friend and former schoolmate Omar Benhaddou, 24, was released from custody last month after being charged with armed robbery and false imprisonment over the alleged incident in Carlton.
ELDERLY MAN HURT IN ARMED ROBBERY
TEEN CRIMS WARNED OF MENACE IN YOUTH CELLS
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John Mckay, with pet cockatoo Willen, was bashed and robbed during a violent attack at his home last year. Picture: Tim Carrafa
Alleged victim John McKay told the Herald Sun he was traumatised and frightened he could be targeted for speaking up about his ordeal.
The grandad, who suffers from epilepsy, said he was afraid to leave his house after two separate incidents, including one in which he claims he was threatened with a gun.
Police have charged Mr Benhaddou and two co-accused after the trio allegedly stole a television and two Xboxes belonging to Mr McKay’s grandchildren when they stormed his public housing flat on December 29.
Mr Benhaddou had allegedly warned Mr McKay a month after the initial confrontation not to talk to the police “or something might happen to you”, before punching him.
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Omar Benhaddou with Richmond premiership player Brandon Ellis.
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Ellis celebrates with teammate Dustin Martin and fans after the 2017 Grand Final. Picture: Alex Coppel.
In granting bail last month, Judge John Champion said Mr Benhaddou’s “good character” and lack of prior convictions had helped his case.
The Supreme Court judge took into account character references for Mr Benhaddou, including from Ellis praising his friend’s “honesty, loyalty, discipline and respect”.
Ellis grew up in Carlton North and went to school with Mr Benhaddou, who works as a hospital theatre technician.
The pair remains close and just eight days before the first alleged incident, Mr Benhaddou changed his Facebook profile picture to a photo of him in a Richmond jumper, with the 2017 premiership cup and a medal around his neck.
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Mr Benhaddou with the 2017 AFL premiership cup and a Grand Final medallion. Picture: Facebook
Mr McKay said he was shocked to hear Ellis had backed Mr Benhaddou.
Prosecutors argued that Mr Benhaddou should remain behind bars because of the fear of reprisal attacks on the victim.
Judge Champion moved to allay the prosecution’s fears with strict bail conditions.
Mr Benhaddou is on a curfew, must avoid Carlton and not use drugs. A practising Muslim, he will receive weekly counselling from the Somali Australian Council of Victoria and civics lessons from the Islamic Council of Victoria’s chief imam Sheikh Weli.
Mr Benhaddou is due back in court on July 18 for a committal hearing.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/5-brandon-ellis.1099417/page-53#post-55580256
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/richmond-player-brandon-ellis-gives-glowing-character-reference-to-alleged-armed-robber-omar-benhaddou/news-story/1e10edd60d2ee7c3cc9f17bd79b6c048
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REMINDER
The above post was totally unacceptable in its original form because it did not quote the original source it came from :banghead
It comes from a HUN article that is behind their paywall
it looks like it has been copied from somewhere, if it has again at the barest minimum the link needed to be included
So again if you copy something from another site or source please appropriate link or reference to the original source
I have included the HUN link for now but we require the proper link being included or it the post may be removed
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Omar Sounds like an upstanding bloke.
Works as a theatre technician at the hospital and in his spare time likes to help the elderly de clutter their house whilst assisting them with some hands on therapy. And then likes to follow up a month later just so he knows they are all ok. :clapping :rollin
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Great guy the Bellis & Omar :gotigers
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REMINDER
The above post was totally unacceptable in its original form because it did not quote the original source it came from :banghead
It comes from a HUN article that is behind their paywall
it looks like it has been copied from somewhere, if it has again at the barest minimum the link needed to be included
So again if you copy something from another site or source please appropriate link or reference to the original source
I have included the HUN link for now but we require the proper link being included or it the post may be removed
Done - hopefully that's saved OER from the wrath of old Rupert's legal team & influential Big Footy powerbroker
_DBF_ .... :shh
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Richmond development coach Ryan Ferguson provides ‘Roar Vision’ with an insight into how Tiger premiership defender Brandon Ellis has been performing at VFL level in recent weeks.
Challenge of going back to VFL level
“He’s been brilliant. I think he realised pretty quickly, and he’s seen ‘Milesy’ (Anthony Miles) and a few other guys do it . . . go back to the VFL and just embrace it. It’s the best way to get back to where you want to be. He’s helped the younger VFL guys and he’s been great for our culture.”
Why he was omitted from the senior side
“A lot of it’s just the squeeze came . . . Jayden Short stepped up, and then ‘Broady’ (Nathan Broad) came back in. He wasn’t playing bad footy . . . but the squeeze came and there were seven spots and eight guys in the mix. So he was the one that got squeezed out. You can always work on your game, and if you want to get back in, you’ve got to get better. So he’s gone back to the VFL and is working really hard.”
What he does well when he’s in good form
“His starting position’s really strong . . . When he’s playing really good footy, he’s strong over the ball, strong in the contest, and then he runs and guns. He’s a link player and then is able to get involved on offense.”
His leadership qualities
“He’s been outstanding with that. His first game back (at VFL level) . . . I don’t think we ever doubted it, but he was sensational. He really bought into it. He was carry-over for the AFL game against the Kangaroos, got back into the team meeting, and just wanted to get out to sing the song with the VFL guys . . . They embraced him and he embraced it.”
What he needs to do to return to the seniors
“Another thing that’s going to be important to his game is flexibility. I know he’s played wing in the past, but reacquainting him with that role, so he can play half-back, can play wing. Give him a bit more flexibility for himself and for our team. And then, hopefully, he can get back to his really strong starting points – strong over the footy, run-and-carry. Hopefully he can get back in the team that way . . . The good thing about ‘Brando’ is, when he gets back in, he’s going to be ready to go and he’s going to be a better player.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-05-22/coaches-corner-brandon-ellis
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, hopefully, he can get back to his really strong starting points – strong over the footy
:biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
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:clapping
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Looking forward to “the squeeze” taking Butler, Grigg and Lloyd also.
Butler inparticular just needs to go back and find his mojo.
They other two can go back and stay there for good IMO
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At the other end of the scale, Brandon is in the top 10 who have fallen away significantly in 2018 according to Champion Data along with some other high profile names in Ablett, Sam Jacobs, Taylor Adams and Jayden Hunt.
Source: Glenn Luff on SEN.
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:shh :shh :shh
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Dumping was perfect wake-up for Tiger
Mitch Cleary
afl.com.au
Jun 4, 2018
RICHMOND defender Brandon Ellis admits being dumped to the VFL for a month was the wake-up call he needed in the Tigers' premiership defence.
Ellis' second match back in the senior team resulted in a season-high 25 disposals as the Tigers accounted for Essendon in Dreamtime at the 'G on Saturday night.
The 25-year-old said the end to his 111-game streak after round five would keep him on edge for the rest of the year.
"Yeah, you could say that," Ellis told AFL.com.au of his wake-up call.
"It's been a slow start to the year, not the start I would've liked.
"(I) did my time in the twos, I love playing with the VFL boys and I learnt a lot. It just shows you can't take your spot for granted and everyone's trying to play in your spot.
"I've learnt my lesson and hopefully I never have to look back.
"Not that I got complacent or anything, it's just the boys like Bachar (Houli) and Shorty (Jayden Short), our other half-backs were playing better than I was at the time."
Coach Damien Hardwick said the coaching staff gave Ellis specific instructions to focus on in his time in the VFL.
"In fairness to Brandon, he didn't go out playing horribly," Hardwick said post-game.
"He had some areas that he needed to improve, and he needed to work on those.
"We had some players below who were playing some really good footy. I was really pleased for him (tonight), (he) really got back to the Brandon Ellis we know and love.
"Playing to his strengths, being really strong in the air and just covering the ground incredibly well."
Ellis acknowledged his kicking was the one area of his game that needed to change with time out of the side.
"Just my contested ball and being composed when I get the ball, because I was rushed and just blast kicking," he said.
"I went back, worked on those things and I'm just pleased I could put a four-quarter effort together tonight."
With Houli to be sidelined with a groin injury up until the Tigers' round 14 bye, Ellis will have his chance to secure his spot for the second half of the season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-04/dumping-was-perfect-wakeup-for-tiger
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Inb4 AT jerks off all over the thread again..... :shh
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:clapping
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Gotta love AT’s unrelenting backing of Brando. It’s a nice refresher from all the bashing he usually gets.
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Brandon at home with his dog:
(http://www.themaineedge.com/media/k2/items/cache/c119827c4b997d3713e1222e73d94218_XL.jpg)
..a *gulp* g-g-g-ground ball...yikes!!!!
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Show some class Dioc. No need to ridicule our own players like this before such a big occasion.
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Show some class Dioc. No need to ridicule our own players like this before such a big occasion.
Bellis sleeps with the light on
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Show some class Dioc. No need to ridicule our own players like this before such a big occasion.
Bellis sleeps with the light on
You're his bunk mate, turn it off for him Damo gee.
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Richmond premiership player Brandon Ellis pays tribute to Eurydice Dixon with black armband
June 17, 2018 9:14pm
FOX SPORTS
RICHMOND premiership player Brandon Ellis has paid tribute to Eurydice Dixon by wearing a black armband at the MCG on Sunday.
The Tigers midfielder grew up with Dixon who was murdered on Tuesday night and was “shocked” by her death.
“I grew up with her in the same housing commission flats for more than 10 years,” Ellis told 3AW Football after the match.
“Unfortunately we know what happened on Tuesday night, so it (black armband) was just in remembrance of her and it was just to send a strong statement out there that it’s not acceptable what happened.”
Ellis also reflected on the “tough week” that he had, having grown up with and around the area where Dixon lived.
“I grew up in Princes Park and know she would’ve walked that route home most nights,” Ellis said.
“It’s just really sad that women can’t just go walking alone.
“These men have to have a real hard look at themselves and have just got to know that it’s not acceptable.”
Ellis also declared that the Tigers’ 18-point victory was “for her.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-premiership-player-brandon-ellis-pays-tribute-to-eurydice-dixon-with-black-armband/news-story/a033da47d62d4a45d6576ed3cdeae7bb
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Tiger moves in with skipper after 'wake-up call'
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
Jul 7, 2018 11:16AM
BRANDON Ellis says he is loving the experience of living with "ultimate professional" Trent Cotchin and his family after hitting a form slump earlier this season that saw him dumped to the VFL for a month.
The 24-year-old Richmond premiership player has recently moved from the South Yarra home he shared with teammate Nathan Broad to the captain's house in Melbourne's northern suburbs.
After spending four weeks in the VFL from the end of April, Ellis said he was determined to make sure he was entrenched in the AFL team by September.
And for now, living with Cotchin, his wife Brooke and young daughters Harper and McKenzie has given Ellis a balance in his life that he believes is helping.
"Trent had a spare room available so I asked if I could jump in there," Ellis told AFL.com.au, after the Tigers' round 16 win over Adelaide.
"I'm loving living there.
"He's the ultimate professional, he's so selfless, he'll do anything for his family, and even taking in me, it just shows that he's so selfless, he just wants to help me and get the best out of me.
"That's why he's a great captain and he deserves everything that he gets."
Ellis was ordered to go back to the VFL after having 16 possessions – just one contested – against Melbourne in round five.
It was a directive that came as somewhat of a shock to him, given he'd played 111 consecutive games.
But he copped it on the chin, worked on his deficiencies, and earned a call-up when Dylan Grimes missed the round 10 clash with St Kilda with a tight back.
Since then, he's been one of the constants across half-back with Bachar Houli missing since round 11, Nick Vlastuin out against the Crows with suspension, and now with Broad set to be sidelined for multiple games with a broken cheekbone.
Ellis said his demotion was the "wake-up call" he needed and believes he has flourished since Hardwick's challenge to match the feats of fellow defender Jayden Short and take his game to another level.
"It wasn't that I took my place for granted, but I probably got a little too comfortable because I'd played so many games in a row over so many years," he said.
"I didn't really expect to get dropped.
"But, it happened and I took it well and had a good chat to 'Dimma' about it.
"He just wanted me to go back and work on my contested ball and aerial work, so I did that and the opportunity came up against St Kilda.
"Now I've just got to keep putting my best foot forward and keep doing everything I can to stay in the team because it's a bloody good team and I want to be there when September comes around because who knows what can happen."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-07/tiger-ellis-moves-in-with-skipper-cotchin-after-wakeup-call
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Been very good since back.Gez got to love Cotch ultimate professional he has grown into a great captain.
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Show some class Dioc. No need to ridicule our own players like this before such a big occasion.
Bellis sleeps with the light on
Don’t think he does
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Show some class Dioc. No need to ridicule our own players like this before such a big occasion.
Bellis sleeps with the light on
Don’t think he does
:clapping
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Was excellent last night. :clapping
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Show some class Dioc. No need to ridicule our own players like this before such a big occasion.
Bellis sleeps with the light on
Don’t think he does
I’ll point out the next 10 times he pulls out of a contest between now and the end of the home and away season
Soft as a soggy flamonge
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Aren’t the Tigers paying him enough coin? Why the heck is he living with the captain?
Does he still think he’s entitled to commission housing? Has he lost all his money? Is he giving too much to his drug addict mates?
Why hadn’t he bought a house yet or renting a nice apartment in Port Melbourne?
I don’t get it to be honest. Maybe the club needs to help him budget.
........pretty good game though when he wasn’t pulling out of the odd contest.
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Aren’t the Tigers paying him enough coin? Why the heck is he living with the captain?
Does he still think he’s entitled to commission housing? Has he lost all his money? Is he giving too much to his drug addict mates?
Why hadn’t he bought a house yet or renting a nice apartment in Port Melbourne?
I don’t get it to be honest. Maybe the club needs to help him budget.
........pretty good game though when he wasn’t pulling out of the odd contest.
Pretty sure he bought his parents a place the moment he was able to financially - given they were commission tenants Id say he's probably paying the mortgage too. Good lad that wanted t help them get out of there before he helped himself.
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Aren’t the Tigers paying him enough coin? Why the heck is he living with the captain?
Does he still think he’s entitled to commission housing? Has he lost all his money? Is he giving too much to his drug addict mates?
Why hadn’t he bought a house yet or renting a nice apartment in Port Melbourne?
I don’t get it to be honest. Maybe the club needs to help him budget.
........pretty good game though when he wasn’t pulling out of the odd contest.
Pretty sure he bought his parents a place the moment he was able to financially - given they were commission tenants Id say he's probably paying the mortgage too. Good lad that wanted t help them get out of there before he helped himself.
Yes commendable but surely there’s more than one bedroom in that house he allegedly bought?
Why inconvenience the Cotchin family?
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Been very good since back.Gez got to love Cotch ultimate professional he has grown into a great captain.
Cotch is a massive reason why
a) we won last years flag
b) we are currently 12-3 with no premiership hangover in sight
I can really see him becoming a Neil Balme type football manager in the future. Hopefully for us.
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Been very good since back.Gez got to love Cotch ultimate professional he has grown into a great captain.
Cotch is a massive reason why
a) we won last years flag
b) we are currently 12-3 with no premiership hangover in sight
I can really see him becoming a Neil Balme type football manager in the future. Hopefully for us.
That's a good call IMHO.
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Been very good since back.Gez got to love Cotch ultimate professional he has grown into a great captain.
Cotch is a massive reason why
a) we won last years flag
b) we are currently 12-3 with no premiership hangover in sight
I can really see him becoming a Neil Balme type football manager in the future. Hopefully for us.
mmm not so sure about that
Balmey is so good because.
He played at the top level
Coached at the top level
Played at State level
Coached at State level
Did an MBA
Managed businesses
etc etc
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I’d like to say I was impressed with Brandon Ellis’ game.
I don’t like him down back I think he should only be on a wing and embrace the outside run as he can accumulate the ball and that can be used to our advantage as link player.
He needs to back himself (like Short) and kick it more instead of those crappy useless handpasses to teammates in a worse predicament.
I think if he just plays his natural game on a wing running and carrying and using his skill and pace to give us quality ball into the F50 (we need it) That’s how I think he should be used, not as a backman but a wingman.
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Fee Fi Fo Fum....heard Giant footsteps all night ....:shh
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Fee Fi Fo Fum....heard Giant footsteps all night ....:shh
Who replaces him at the moment? I don’t think we have anyone ready and waiting as a wingman which I think is his position. I actually cant wait to see the end of him but I don’t know if anyone else is knocking down the door. Menadue? Not sold, he’s soft too and doesn’t impose himself nor can he find the footy. Markov? Currently injured, I have high hopes for him but is he ready to perform at the level? Currently maybe MacIntosh but he was way down on form and nowhere near the output expected.
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Wasn't actually calling for him to be dropped. :shh
I'd prefer Menadue to the other Ellis sister....particularly if we drop Bolton for Stengle as it would balance out the loss of leg speed that change would cause...
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Good that he had his netball skirt pressed neatly last night.
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Good that he had his netball skirt pressed neatly last night.
You're just not a Richmond supporter
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Good that he had his netball skirt pressed neatly last night.
You're just not a Richmond supporter
Oh I can assure you I am.
If you think Bellis is made of the tough stuff you must be watching a different game to me.
As I said his netball skirt was neatly pressed last night.
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Trade to GCS as part of a deal for Lynch.
Would throw in any of C Ellis, Bolton, Miles, Lloyd also.
And an obligatory pick of course...
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Ellis was on Macquarie Sports Radio's Melbourne Breakfast with Tony Leonard, Jimmy Bartel and Tony Shaw.
Brandon Ellis - "Getting dropped hurt a bit. I am happy to be back in the side."
AUDIO: https://omny.fm/shows/breakfast-with-tony-leonard-tony-shaw-and-jimmy-ba/playlists/podcast/embed?style=artwork
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Trade to GCS as part of a deal for Lynch.
Would throw in any of C Ellis, Bolton, Miles, Lloyd also.
And an obligatory pick of course...
Tom is a restricted free agent, we won't have to trade for him.
GC look likely to finish bottom 2 & will get pick 3 as compo. Far better than what we could offer up.
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Trade to GCS as part of a deal for Lynch.
Would throw in any of C Ellis, Bolton, Miles, Lloyd also.
And an obligatory pick of course...
Tom is a restricted free agent, we won't have to trade for him.
GC look likely to finish bottom 2 & will get pick 3 as compo. Far better than what we could offer up.
They could play hard ball and force a trade. They'll get a good pick or two anyway
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Brandon Ellis on SEN's Crunch Time (21/07/2018)
AUDIO: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/?id=257564
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Ellis "hurt" after being dropped after 111 consecutive games
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
23 July 2018
Brandon Ellis had played 111 consecutive games before being omitted for the Tigers’ Round 6 clash with Collingwood.
The midfielder was an important cog in Richmond's premiership, but found himself on the outer with the rise of younger players like Jayden Short and Jack Higgins.
He spoke of how that affected him on SEN’s Crunch Time on Saturday.
“It hurt a bit, obviously playing so many games in a row. It probably didn’t cross my mind that I’d find my way out, but I did,” Ellis said.
“I had to go back and work on some contested stuff and some aerial stuff, it probably wasn’t up to scratch and probably inconsistent.
“I went back to the VFL and I did enjoy my time there playing with the young guys.
“I just put my best foot forward every game now and really can’t take my spot for granted or get too complacent.”
Ellis will likely line-up for Richmond’s clash with the Pies this time around in what is shaping as potentially the biggest game of the season.
“We’re pretty well placed at the moment, but we’ve got some tough games at the moment including Collingwood who are in fine form and then we’ve got Geelong as well,” he said.
“It’s going to be fierce competition, but we’re looking forward to it.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/07/22/ellis-talks-the-hurt-of-being-dropped-after-111-consecutive-games/
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Been very good since back.Gez got to love Cotch ultimate professional he has grown into a great captain.
Cotch is a massive reason why
a) we won last years flag
b) we are currently 12-3 with no premiership hangover in sight
I can really see him becoming a Neil Balme type football manager in the future. Hopefully for us.
mmm not so sure about that
Balmey is so good because.
He played at the top level
Coached at the top level
Played at State level
Coached at State level
Did an MBA
Managed businesses
etc etc
He doesn't need a lot of that stuff, but give him time and he'll probably get it anyway.
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Why would Cotch need to play at state level. He plays for the premiers of the AFL
Gee I wonder about some of you
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Not generally a fan but thought he was very good today
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150th this week for Brandon :clapping.
Games
2012 21
2013 21
2014 23
2015 23
2016 22
2017 25
2018 15*
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Total 150*
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brandon_Ellis.html
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Big day for the club. :clapping
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Just thinking that maybe he knows he’s going at seasons end. Then living at Cotchins would make more sense if he wasn’t sure where he’d be living in three months.
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150 games brother, very proud 👍🏼, still plenty to go! Keep growing ❤️
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djk1sk2UwAAvrLd.jpg)
https://twitter.com/tcotchin9/status/1024909433229389824
It's Ellis' 25th birthday as well as his 150th :birthday.
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Too much bad BEllis last night :banghead
Bad outweighed the good by a long way :help
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Yep was at his shorts shyting finest for his milestone. Absolutely woeful in the contests. Hopefuly he's not a getting a surprise party - might die of fright.... :shh
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Yep was at his shorts shyting finest for his milestone. Absolutely woeful in the contests. Hopefuly he's not a getting a surprise party - might die of fright.... :shh
:lol :lol
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Yep was at his shorts shyting finest for his milestone. Absolutely woeful in the contests. Hopefuly he's not a getting a surprise party - might die of fright.... :shh
:clapping
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lol you bastards
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Wait until Brando busts out some groovy grubbers against GC :shh
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In the immortal words of Dee-Lite: Groove is in the heart....
....too bad Bellis doesn't have one.... :shh
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>:(
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:shh
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What position on the ground should Brandon Ellis play?
Last season was an odd one for the 25-year-old, who was dropped in round six after 111 consecutive games, and again before Richmond's qualifying final against Hawthorn. Capable of playing off half-back or on the wing, the Tigers' defensive rebound depth in Jayden Short, Bachar Houli and Oleg Markov (who has been one of the team's best this summer) means Ellis could be squeezed out.
Verdict: Lines up on the wing.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-16/coach-conundrums-we-solve-your-position-puzzlers
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Tiger to put contract talks on hold
Jon Ralph,
Herald Sun
28 Feb 2019
Richmond premiership star Brandon Ellis will put off contract talks until at least the bye round after strong interest from rivals in last year’s trade period.
Ellis was twice dropped last season — including for the finals series — but only turns 26 this August having played 153 games.
In a thin free agency market this year he could draw multiple suitors looking for run-and-carry players.
He was dropped to the VFL in Rounds 6-9 last year to refine his contested ball and aerial skills but believed he had won back his spot for the finals.
Instead he was dropped again when Kane Lambert returned from injury for the qualifying final.
Brandon Ellis will put contract talks with Richmond on hold. Picture: Michael Klein
Ellis missed only one game in Richmond’s premiership season as a defender but has been training as a midfielder this pre-season.
In a best-case scenario he will return to his best form and prove to Richmond he is worth a significant long-term contract.
But in one of the thinnest free agency markets since its inception, his contract talks will likely drift until the end of the season.
Richmond chose not to act on any trade requests from multiple clubs in October, believing he was part of their best side.
But the Tigers are one of a number of clubs with strong salary cap pressures given their addition of Tom Lynch over the off-season.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-premiership-player-brandon-ellis-to-put-contract-talks-on-hold/news-story/790611806aaf5cf57713757a9c6239f6
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That is OK with me
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He will go to North next year. Big fish!!
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He'll stay or end up at North. Smart move by his manager.
Do have to laugh at folks like Claw who said there was no interest in the BEllis in trade week when there were 3 clubs who wanted him....:shh
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:santa :bow :cheers :thumbsup :jump :dancing :highclap :highfive :thatsgold :newyear :allears :jump :phew :wavetowel :dancingpickle :spudnikbackflip
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You would think Ellis is off at the end of the season if he's putting off contract talks. We wouldn't be offering more given our TPP even if he had a turnaround dominant year.
Interesting to see what compo we would get in return if he does leave.
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Doubt it. Fact is if he gets back to his best the offer will be better in July/August than it would look right now.
Still hilarious to me how people reckon he's considered surplus to requirements by the club yet we'd sign him up now if we could. Guy can play.
It's on him to have a good year, cement a spot and get a solid offer from RFC + the huge line up of clubs that want him.
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Should get some decent offers after he wins the Liston in a canter.... :shh
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Perfect player to help a certain someone's favourite snow loving footy club rise to the top....:shh :shh
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Wonder if putting talks on hold is because the offer isn't big enough, $$ Wise.
We are going to have cap pressure. So while Players may think they are are worth more than what they are being offered they need to understand the offer is the offer. Putting off talks can backfire on many fronts
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Wonder if putting talks on hold is because the offer isn't big enough, $$ Wise.
We are going to have cap pressure. So while Players may think they are are worth more than what they are being offered they need to understand the offer is the offer. Putting off talks can backfire on many fronts
Agree and when you're a dispensable player it backfires even more. We'd probably pick up a 3rd round comp pick for Bellis which we can use to trade into the 2020 draft to build up points for Rioli Jnr. More than happy with that scenario
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If i was him id be taking the packet of crisps and box of crispy cremes the club offered who in their right mind would go anywhere near this nuff nuff.
Same old same old from shatama pantsama today.Hope he enjoys his time in the ressies this yr because thats where he will be.
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Wonder if putting talks on hold is because the offer isn't big enough, $$ Wise.
We are going to have cap pressure. So while Players may think they are are worth more than what they are being offered they need to understand the offer is the offer. Putting off talks can backfire on many fronts
I am no great Ellis fan, but in fairness to him I don't think this is a money issue. He loves the club. I think it is more about trying to work out if Ellis is going to be a part of the club moving forward.
I think you will find this is a mutual decision between the player and the club. The club clearly do not see him as being in our defensive plans, trying him in a midfield role. I can't see him in the that role myself on anything more than an occasional basis, and we drafted a lot of midfielders so he knows spots in the team for midfielders are going to be at a premium.
So I think that both parties are going to adopt a wait and see approach to work out what is best.
But for Ellis, I think he is between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If he blitzes from here he will need to take below market place to resign with us. And if he doesn't, he most likely will be deemed surplus to requirements.
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With his tank you wish he could be a Tom Scully level line breaker who could set up play after play. To his credit he was a very good player for us in 2017 and even though I am not his biggest fan I feel he can hold his head up high that he did his bit for the 2017 premiership medal .
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Dud delist
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Shyteing himself in hit & giggle practice matches now. Oh dear... :shh
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Cya squib
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You're just jealous of his slim build Damo. Hit the gym big fella
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(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/4e79f5fe-a5ad-4fe5-886f-c11b6f52400a.png)
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Don't win flags in March, Sammy. :shh
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Shatama pantsama misses out and rightly so cant play too many squibs.
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Not surprising after JLT1. The guy spent the entire game off his feet
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another rubbish quarter of footballer by this bloke which cost us a goal, coupled that squib effort with about 5 minutes left
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Every time they show Bellis on the TV he is apologising to one of his teammates for stuffing up.
He is literally a joke!
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Fair to say he won't at the club next year
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i apologise for ever saying this guy was a good footballer.
He is a stuffin joke is what he is
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West Coburg B Grade team will be happy to have him back!
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i apologise for ever saying this guy was a good footballer.
He is a stuffin joke is what he is
Apology accepted. 😜
I did think at the time you had better taste.
If you don’t laugh, you cry.
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Gonski.
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Gonski.
Playing like he knows it - VFL the rest of the year :thumbsup
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Nancy Eliis returns...didn't really leave did he.
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FHO to north for a broken kettle
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What were teams offering last year in a trade??
We should have taken anything we could get for Hot Potato Ellis
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There was one "effort" yesterday that summed up Bellis.
Kicks it oit on the full. On the turnover ball gets back to his opponent. What did BEllis do?
Rush to the contest and try and spoil?
Nah... just stood there and didnt move, and then flapped his arms .
At that point it wouldnt have mattered what he did for the remainder of the game (he got worse BTW) he lost any miniscule amount of respect I had for him. For a senior player that was unforgivable.
A number of years back when we played up in Cairns I paid out on Webberely for his game. For his lack of effort, chasing, tackling basically everything. People should remember it he was subbed out ont he 2nd qtr due to his efforts. It was the most disgraceful performances I'd ever seen by a Richmond player. Said he should never have the honour of wearing a Richmond jumper again and he didn't.
Yesterday up at boutique stadium after witnessing what i did, I felt that way again
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Ellis showed a lot of promise a few years back. Wtf happened to the dude?
I’ve defended him for years but have now lost faith. Thanks for the scrappy service Brando, your time is up.
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There was one "effort" yesterday that summed up Bellis.
Kicks it oit on the full. On the turnover ball gets back to his opponent. What did BEllis do?
Rush to the cptnrst and try and spoil?
Nah... just stood there and didnt move, and then flapped his arms .
Disagree
That’s just pure laziness and poor skill
Bellis was summed up just under 5 left in the first where he refused to go with the flight
Like always he was scared to do it
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You mean when both he and his opponent turned around to face the contest with a pack of 6 coming the other way? Probably remembers getting sprayed by Astbury for flying at the footy last week and not being at ground level where his opponent was.
He wasn't good but that happens 100 times a game, Damo. Had no chance of effecting the contest as it was always coming to ground anyway
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He NEVER goes with the flight
Whether packs coming or not
Petrified
Am I tough, would I go with the flight, no and no
But I don’t play AFL footy
Blokes that are scared shouldn’t be in Richmond’s side, and he’s the main offender
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Simply not true. Even the harshest BEllis critic would acknowledge he's done courageous things going back with the flight. Last 3 mins against Bulldogs late last year is a prime example.
Ground level is where the short steps are.
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Simply not true. Even the harshest BEllis critic would acknowledge he's done courageous things going back with the flight. Last 3 mins against Bulldogs late last year is a prime example.
Ground level is where the short steps are.
It’s when he has the ball he hesitates and panics, not when he doesn’t.
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being a panic merchant across half back doesn't even mean he's soft, it means he's scared to turn the footy over because he's not comfortable back there.
he does have legitimate problems putting his head over it at times and that's probably the main thing that gets supporters on his arse.
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being a panic merchant across half back doesn't even mean he's soft, it means he's scared to turn the footy over because he's not comfortable back there.
he does have legitimate problems putting his head over it at times and that's probably the main thing that gets supporters on his arse.
so who was running back with the flight with 4.26 left in the first q when coniglio kicked it out of the centre, then stopped because he didnt want to get crunched?
Can someone please put up the video link on here in slowmo
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Yeah he would have made no difference to the contest. He and his opponent bath stayed down, as Ellis has been instructed to do after flying in multiple contests he shouldn't have last week.
I'll concede he's not exactly the hardest bloke going around but you blokes singling him out for that is ridiculous. Short, Rioli, Lambert, Butler, Houli etc all do it.
One in all in....:shh
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Ironically I've always thought B Ellis going back with the flight/going for a mark has been quite courageous. He squibs it on the ground level IMO, but I didn't watch the game yesterday.
Anyway, I've disliked him for a long time now. Same same.
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Yeah he would have made no difference to the contest. He and his opponent bath stayed down, as Ellis has been instructed to do after flying in multiple contests he shouldn't have last week.
I'll concede he's not exactly the hardest bloke going around but you blokes singling him out for that is ridiculous. Short, Rioli, Lambert, Butler, Houli etc all do it.
One in all in....:shh
Rioli went in hard and got crunched and played on.
Can't remember the last Ellis went in hard and got crunched.
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stuffing oath bloke. R23 last year.
Completely different scenario to what we were talking about. Get a clue
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Yeah he would have made no difference to the contest. He and his opponent bath stayed down, as Ellis has been instructed to do after flying in multiple contests he shouldn't have last week.
I'll concede he's not exactly the hardest bloke going around but you blokes singling him out for that is ridiculous. Short, Rioli, Lambert, Butler, Houli etc all do it.
One in all in....:shh
Rioli went in hard and got crunched and played on.
Can't remember the last Ellis went in hard and got crunched.
That's because it's never happened.
There's a reason some people defend him. :shh :lol
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3rd quarter, little fella...:shh even the tators picked up on it...:shh :shh
a thousand years ago when bellis got crunched.....
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BEllis made AFL team of the week.
How many times did you vote Assange? :cheers
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:lol
Not once....:shh
Good to see the people have good taste....:shh :shh
And Big Note said he was not quite 'ok' on the weekend.......:shh :shh :shh
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:lol
Not once....:shh
Good to see the people have good taste....:shh :shh
And Big Note said he was not quite 'ok' on the weekend.......:shh :shh :shh
In your obviously unbiased opinion should I pick him up as a free agent in my supercoach draft league?
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Atm, yeah why not.
Gets a lot more footy on the wing than he does at HB. Worth a go if he's not highly priced....:shh
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:lol
Not once....:shh
Good to see the people have good taste....:shh :shh
And Big Note said he was not quite 'ok' on the weekend.......:shh :shh :shh
I said he was “ok at best”
No need to be a liar.
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Which indicates you don't think he was ok if that's the absolute 'best' he could have been in your mind.
CA votes, more touches than any other RFC player. Like whoa, stuffing whoa, great game.
Jog on water boy
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Has to back it up his performance not a flash in the pan.
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Which indicates you don't think he was ok if that's the absolute 'best' he could have been in your mind.
CA votes, more touches than any other RFC player. Like whoa, stuffing whoa, great game.
Jog on water boy
You are literally too stupid to argue with Assange Liar. :wallywink
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That's AT The Courageous to you, Mr Note.
Loose lips sink ships. Surely Rawlo taught you this.
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Usual mix of poor & serviceable with a dash of good but that tackle on Aliir on the outer wing when the Swans & the umps were coming hard at us in the last was pivotal..reminiscent of the tackle on Goodes that pretty much got us into the finals back in '14 ...:shh
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LISTEN: Could premiership Tiger be on the move?
HAS RICHMOND'S trade position on a premiership Tiger suddenly changed?
With the free agency rumours already heading into overdrive, the AFL Exchange crew debate whether the Tigers might need to suddenly start negotiations with a flag hero.
Join AFL.com.au reporters Mitch Cleary and Riley Beveridge – as well as Cal Twomey from the Gold Coast – for the latest whispers as the guys take you inside the AFL and delve into the big questions surrounding the game – and some of the not so big.
AUDIO: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-30/listen-could-premiership-tiger-be-on-the-move
* Mail 6 weeks ago that Richmond weren't too concerned what Ellis' position was going into the year.
* He is a top 10 earner at Richmond in 2019 so he is a restricted free agent. He won't get a similar top 10 deal at Richmond given their cap and with their recent signings (i.e. Lynch, Martin, Cotchin, Rioli, etc).
* Both parties happy to hold off until the middle of the season.
* If they were Richmond they would want to re-sign him given his form but they feel Ellis will leave given he could get a 3-4 year deal on more money.
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* If they were Richmond they would want to re-sign him given his form but they feel Ellis will leave given he could get a 3-4 year deal on more money.
Lol! Proof that the average nuffie should never be allowed near professional football managers.
We would hope he gets offered a bucketload to go somewhere else and we get an end of first round compo. Every other scenario is probably a loss for us.
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Norf need some stars
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Don't underestimate how much this boy loves the RFC. Or he fact he's turned down clubs before...:shh
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Norf need some stars
With Kelly being locked up, they’ve gotta throw some cash at someone.
Brando is a premiership hero. How many of those do North have???
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Don't underestimate how much this boy loves the RFC. Or he fact he's turned down clubs before...:shh
He has turned down other clubs because he was getting overpaid at our club. Come the end of this year when his contract is up, he will be back on less than Sydney Stack if he stays and deservingly so.
He is a premiership player at Tigerland and no one can take that away from him but he will leave come years end.
He would be mad not too considering what we will offer him and what other clubs can.
With him gone and Grigg retired, our list will be all the better.
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I must admit, since moving to the wing, he has been holding his position in the team with his on field performance. About as well as I've seen him play for a while.
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He's been good last couple of games though he's really not doing anything Turner won't eventually do better.... :shh
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If he continues his recent form through the season then don’t see why the club shouldn’t retain him at the right price. If that’s not the case and he wants more money or a longer term deal then good luck to him. We have a few cubs coming through that look like promising outside players such as Naish and Turner so I think we already have a replacement if he does leave.
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Don't underestimate how much this boy loves the RFC. Or he fact he's turned down clubs before...:shh
He has turned down other clubs because he was getting overpaid at our club. Come the end of this year when his contract is up, he will be back on less than Sydney Stack if he stays and deservingly so.
He is a premiership player at Tigerland and no one can take that away from him but he will leave come years end.
He would be mad not too considering what we will offer him and what other clubs can.
With him gone and Grigg retired, our list will be all the better.
Stack is on what, 100k? You're saying he'd get less than that? Ellis at a minimum would still get 350k if he chose to stay.
He's been good last couple of games though he's really not doing anything Turner won't eventually do better.... :shh
Probably the silliest post by you to date.... :shh Normally very astute but this stab in the dark by you just angers me...... :shh :shh I am furious :shh :shh :shh
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You'll be leaving the Ellis Express at North Melbourne station and boarding the Turner Train to Richmond soon enough......
🚂 :shh :shh :shh :shh
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Kelly just re-signed with GWS #piecesfallingintoplace :shh
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You lot have been saying stuff like this for years.....:shh
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Woo woo! Band one compo here we come.... :shh :shh
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>:(
:shh :shh
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I am sick of this B Ellis bashing.
Why don't you weak dogs leave it alone.
He is a RFC player, a premiership player who played his t_ts off on the day.
He may have flaws, but who hasn't?
He is selected and plays, when in the VFL he is a leader, What do you flogs want??
Just get off on this B Ellis bashing.
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Spot on mate
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I am sick of this B Ellis bashing.
Why don't you weak dogs leave it alone.
He is a RFC player, a premiership player who played his t_ts off on the day.
He may have flaws, but who hasn't?
He is selected and plays, when in the VFL he is a leader, What do you flogs want??
Just get off on this B Ellis bashing.
:lol
Get over yourself man!
The last time I checked this is a forum and we all have opinions on players, and in the case of Bellis, I think he is the most scared footballer I have ever seen at AFL level. I don’t really care if you agree or disagree but I’ll say what I want.
And come years end I hope he takes up a big contract at another club and the bashing will stop as it will turn to laughter.
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This is a forum.
I can cop the BEllis hate and argue back but you always seem to struggle when people have a dig at Georgie.
The most scared footballer ever...give me a break. He's performed more acts of courage at AFL level than anyone on this forum and plenty of his peers as well.
It's just a pathetic statement. 160 games and a premiership medal basically makes a mockery of it.
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I am sick of this B Ellis bashing.
Why don't you weak dogs leave it alone.
He is a RFC player, a premiership player who played his t_ts off on the day.
He may have flaws, but who hasn't?
He is selected and plays, when in the VFL he is a leader, What do you flogs want??
Just get off on this B Ellis bashing.
:lol
Get over yourself man!
The last time I checked this is a forum and we all have opinions on players, and in the case of Bellis, I think he is the most scared footballer I have ever seen at AFL level. I don’t really care if you agree or disagree but I’ll say what I want.
And come years end I hope he takes up a big contract at another club and the bashing will stop as it will turn to laughter.
Yes it is a forum, I respect your views, we all know what you think of BE.
We just don't need to read it ad nauseum from multiple people IMHO.
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I wouldn't be concerned if he left which I think he will, but you can't argue his form lately has been great. If those duds polek and Pittard can score those deals BE should and will leave.
At the end of the day he helped us win a flag as much as George Butler etc he should now head off and look after his future financially
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I'm a B Ellis critic but am happy to agree he has played a great deal games lately. I want him to keep this standard up and keep hitting the scoreboard also. If he does that I'd be happy to keep him but we need to be realistic about our salary cap and the reality is he may choose to leave for more $$$ - wouldn't blame him or any other player either. AFL careers are short and don't provide many options afterwards so he may as well make all the money he can while he can. If that means playing well for us and adding value to his FA/trade ability then good for all parties IMO.
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I am sick of this B Ellis bashing.
Why don't you weak dogs leave it alone.
He is a RFC player, a premiership player who played his t_ts off on the day.
He may have flaws, but who hasn't?
He is selected and plays, when in the VFL he is a leader, What do you flogs want??
Just get off on this B Ellis bashing.
:lol
Get over yourself man!
The last time I checked this is a forum and we all have opinions on players, and in the case of Bellis, I think he is the most scared footballer I have ever seen at AFL level. I don’t really care if you agree or disagree but I’ll say what I want.
And come years end I hope he takes up a big contract at another club and the bashing will stop as it will turn to laughter.
Yes it is a forum, I respect your views, we all know what you think of BE.
We just don't need to read it ad nauseum from multiple people IMHO.
What you choose to read is up to you but I’ll write what I like about Beliis and as much as I like.
Calling people weak dogs and flogs goes against what you say about respecting people’s views.
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This is a forum.
I can cop the BEllis hate and argue back but you always seem to struggle when people have a dig at Georgie.
The most scared footballer ever...give me a break. He's performed more acts of courage at AFL level than anyone on this forum and plenty of his peers as well.
It's just a pathetic statement. 160 games and a premiership medal basically makes a mockery of it.
The liar is back!
Show me a post where I struggle what people say about George.
I argue against what people say because I disagree but to say I struggle is BS.
I like George because he has a go.... see the difference?
The reality is Bellis lacks courage. He pulls out of contests nearly on a weekly basis. Most footballers have done it once or twice in their career but he does all too often and will always be remembered for it. And doing it in a Tiger jumper just isn’t acceptable imo.
If a skinny kid in his 4th game can do it, than a player in his 160 games should be better.
I totally understand if he is a family friend and that is why you stick up for his lack of courage and I would do the same but deep down I reckon you know it’s not good enough too.
I also get peeed at George when he misses kickable goals but missing a goal is a skill error, deciding not to go when it’s your turn is inexcusable.
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Id trade them both
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This is a forum.
I can cop the BEllis hate and argue back but you always seem to struggle when people have a dig at Georgie.
The most scared footballer ever...give me a break. He's performed more acts of courage at AFL level than anyone on this forum and plenty of his peers as well.
It's just a pathetic statement. 160 games and a premiership medal basically makes a mockery of it.
The liar is back!
Show me a post where I struggle what people say about George.
I argue against what people say because I disagree but to say I struggle is BS.
I like George because he has a go.... see the difference?
The reality is Bellis lacks courage. He pulls out of contests nearly on a weekly basis. Most footballers have done it once or twice in their career but he does all too often and will always be remembered for it. And doing it in a Tiger jumper just isn’t acceptable imo.
If a skinny kid in his 4th game can do it, than a player in his 160 games should be better.
I totally understand if he is a family friend and that is why you stick up for his lack of courage and I would do the same but deep down I reckon you know it’s not good enough too.
I also get peeed at George when he misses kickable goals but missing a goal is a skill error, deciding not to go when it’s your turn is inexcusable.
I just think you constantly bringing down other players in an attempt to excuse George's poor form is deflecting and quite frankly, struggling to accept others opinions about him. He has played some horrible games of footy and you backed him to the hilt, which is totally fine, but I'm not lying when I say I reckon you have seriously struggled to cop a bad opinion when it comes to the kid.
Again, a total lie to suggest most players pull out of contests once or twice in their entire career. I've seen blokes pull out of a contest once or twice every game for their entire career. I've seen some seriously courageous footballers not go at times. There are very few to have played this game and basically be totally fearless.
And yes, Ellis is one who has pulled out of contests a few too many times and it is pretty frustrating when it happens. However, it's also pretty frustrating to see him copping it when he's actually one of the most in-form players at the club and you've got some others out there who get an absolute armchair ride no matter what sort of footy they're playing.
I don't think we're all that dissimilar when it comes to defending the blokes we like. You like that Castagna is hard, I like that BEllis is one of the hardest runners in the comp and has always played good footy on the wing (like I have been saying for the last 12 months).
One has a ton of ability and the other has severe limitations but makes up for it with work rate, leg speed and seriously good aerial ability for a small bloke.
End of the day they are both premiership players and I reckon we could ease up on the abuse all around the place TBH.
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Ellis to Norf for the compo pick... :shh
Castagna & Butler to Footscray for Dunkley & Roberts... :shh :shh
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Ellis to Norf for the compo pick... :shh
Castagna & Butler to Footscray for Dunkley & Roberts... :shh :shh
Mate, pass me the reefer!
George, Butler and out first round pick wouldn't land us Dunkley. Dogs will keep him on principle.
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This is a forum.
I can cop the BEllis hate and argue back but you always seem to struggle when people have a dig at Georgie.
The most scared footballer ever...give me a break. He's performed more acts of courage at AFL level than anyone on this forum and plenty of his peers as well.
It's just a pathetic statement. 160 games and a premiership medal basically makes a mockery of it.
The liar is back!
Show me a post where I struggle what people say about George.
I argue against what people say because I disagree but to say I struggle is BS.
I like George because he has a go.... see the difference?
The reality is Bellis lacks courage. He pulls out of contests nearly on a weekly basis. Most footballers have done it once or twice in their career but he does all too often and will always be remembered for it. And doing it in a Tiger jumper just isn’t acceptable imo.
If a skinny kid in his 4th game can do it, than a player in his 160 games should be better.
I totally understand if he is a family friend and that is why you stick up for his lack of courage and I would do the same but deep down I reckon you know it’s not good enough too.
I also get peeed at George when he misses kickable goals but missing a goal is a skill error, deciding not to go when it’s your turn is inexcusable.
I just think you constantly bringing down other players in an attempt to excuse George's poor form is deflecting and quite frankly, struggling to accept others opinions about him. He has played some horrible games of footy and you backed him to the hilt, which is totally fine, but I'm not lying when I say I reckon you have seriously struggled to cop a bad opinion when it comes to the kid.
Again, a total lie to suggest most players pull out of contests once or twice in their entire career. I've seen blokes pull out of a contest once or twice every game for their entire career. I've seen some seriously courageous footballers not go at times. There are very few to have played this game and basically be totally fearless.
And yes, Ellis is one who has pulled out of contests a few too many times and it is pretty frustrating when it happens. However, it's also pretty frustrating to see him copping it when he's actually one of the most in-form players at the club and you've got some others out there who get an absolute armchair ride no matter what sort of footy they're playing.
I don't think we're all that dissimilar when it comes to defending the blokes we like. You like that Castagna is hard, I like that BEllis is one of the hardest runners in the comp and has always played good footy on the wing (like I have been saying for the last 12 months).
One has a ton of ability and the other has severe limitations but makes up for it with work rate, leg speed and seriously good aerial ability for a small bloke.
End of the day they are both premiership players and I reckon we could ease up on the abuse all around the place TBH.
George is an easy target for most on here because he misses shots at goal. They forget about all the other things he does really well. Chasing, tackling, bringing others into the game, competing in air as well as on the ground. He has been asked to play as a medium forward in our forwardline as well as do all the things Rioli and Butler do as small forwards.
You say some guys get an armchair ride which I agree with but obviously when I say it you think I’m deflecting and trying to take the pressure off George??
Ive question Rioli’s output a couple of times and it’s like it’s an unwritten rule that it should never be done.
The simple facts are these small guys play a really hard position, some say the hardest, an they are going to go through periods of not getting many kicks or goals but Rioli and George nearly always get tackles and still keep involved.
But ones named Rioli and the other was an elevated rookie.
I would like to know who you think i pot?
The only players I really don’t rate are Bellis, and Houli and Grigg. And with Houli it’s more I don’t rate him as a defender, and Grigg I think is just a bit one paced and not suited in today’s footy.
I cannot think of another player I have potted in the last 3 years.
As I said before, I have question players like Rioli when I think he has struggled and not had the same scrutiny as others, but I generally like what he does.
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Id trade them both
Glad we don’t listen to you!
Aren’t you the guy that started a post about giving up this year?
Was that you or am I getting confused?
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Well thats false. I just said we cant win the flag without Rance and that 2019 should be an educational year with young players being developed. I don't believe Im wrong on either count. Young players have been developed and hopefully that continues with Naish, RCD and Coleman-Jones also getting chances.
I was also just about the only one who believed that we would win against Port Adelaide and I also said wed beat Sydney.
I am in the majority on Bellis and Castagna. Trade them both out and get something because there are much better players in the reserves. Bolton should always play in front of Castagna and Id play Naish in front of Ellis. Both are expendable.
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OER: Bellis and Georgie are no good, there’s blokes in the twos twice as talented not getting games etc etc hair pulling and epic meltdowns
Come trade period....
OER: Trade Bellis and Georgie. Should get at least a first and a second round pick for them. Have huge upside, tacklers and runners etc etc
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Back to why he will always be the go to limpgot of this forum.
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He certainly shows us why he can be so poo
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He certainly shows us why he can be so poo
Poos himself
That’s why he’s poo
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FHO for a 3 pack of urine cakes. Lemon scented or any flavour
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FHO for a 3 pack of urine cakes. Lemon scented or any flavour
He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same category as lemon scented
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FHO for a 3 pack of urine cakes. Lemon scented or any flavour
He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same category as lemon scented
:lol
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Hope the rumours are true about the size of North's offer... :shh
If we get first round compo we should try and trade both first round picks to get pick one and draft Matt Rowell... :shh :shh
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Hope the rumours are true about the size of North's offer... :shh
If we get first round compo we should try and trade both first round picks to get pick one and draft Matt Rowell... :shh :shh
Or Noah Anderson as he is a huge tiger fan.... :shh
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Hope the rumours are true about the size of North's offer... :shh
If we get first round compo we should try and trade both first round picks to get pick one and draft Matt Rowell... :shh :shh
Regardless of a first round pick for Ellis we should have this year's first round in play and next year's as well. In 2020 we will have MJR jnr as potential first round father and son pick and therefore shoulr look at trading it this year to get maximum value.
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Or Noah Anderson as he is a huge tiger fan.... :shh
Then we'll have one for each arc... :shh :shh
Hope the rumours are true about the size of North's offer... :shh
If we get first round compo we should try and trade both first round picks to get pick one and draft Matt Rowell... :shh :shh
Regardless of a first round pick for Ellis we should have this year's first round in play and next year's as well. In 2020 we will have MJR jnr as potential first round father and son pick and therefore shoulr look at trading it this year to get maximum value.
Was thinking that too... :shh
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Some high praise from dimma for Brando in his post match presser. Admitted he was too concerned about his weaknesses (moving to half back) rather than letting him play to his strengths (on the wing).
In ripping form atm.
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We like to attack
But he was good when the heat was on
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took some stunning marks when the game was in the balance. played well did Ellis
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Ellis has staged a stunning turnaround
Two months ago, it was hard to see Brandon Ellis' long-term future being at Punt Road. One of just three restricted free agents in the AFL, Ellis was out of Richmond's best team – and looked on his way to being out the door at season's end. Tigers coach Damien Hardwick has since revealed that might have been his fault. He concedes he focused more on what Ellis couldn't do, rather than what he could. Since giving him a reprieve, he's allowed the premiership Tiger to show what he's good at. On Sunday, he did just that. He ran, he carried, he won his own footy and he delivered it precisely. His 35 disposals were the most he's won all season, complementing 13 marks and five clearances. It was the seventh time from eight matches this year in which he's had more than 20 touches. From being out of favour, Ellis now looks like one of the team's most important and influential players. Retain that consistency and he might also prove one of its most indispensable.
- Riley Beveridge
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-19/nine-things-we-learned-from-round-nine
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Hardwick admits he only has himself to blame in underestimating Ellis
Daniel Cherny
The Age
20 May 2019
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has pointed the finger at himself for focusing too much on what Brandon Ellis can’t do, rather than the premiership defender’s capabilities.
Ellis had been a regular under Hardwick since the start of 2012 but has found himself in and out of the side over the past 14 months.
But the creative dasher was one of Richmond’s best on Sunday, finishing with 35 disposals.
Hardwick accepted that he had become too concerned with the cons of Ellis’ game.
“He’s had some challenges, there’s no doubt. The great thing about Brandon, the thing I love, is he accepts the areas he’s got to get better at,” Hardwick said.
“But also as a coaching group, I probably didn’t understand and back in his strengths enough. That was on me. To his credit, he’s gone on and is playing some wonderful footy. He’s playing his natural game, his ability to run and create, use the ball, mark, has just been really evident for me to see, which is really pleasing.”
Hardwick acknowledged his own vulnerability as a coach.
“I was probably looking at areas of his game, they’re not poor, but they’re probably below in some areas. But what I sort of forgot as a coach, and it’s really poor on my behalf, is that he’s great in a lot of areas. I’ve got to remind myself to look at those areas. Now we’re seeing the dividends of our coaching group backing him in,” Hardwick said.
“It’s a good reminder to all of us coaches.
“It happens from time to time, and at stages I’ve got to get better at catching myself doing it. I know when I’m at my worst, unfortunately, Brandon’s one of those guys, he’s really close to me, that cops it the most.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hardwick-admits-he-only-has-himself-to-blame-in-underestimating-ellis-20190519-p51p2k.html
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Been better the last 2 weeks. Hopefully he keeps it up.
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Elite marking display - but that's never been his issue...more importantly he didn't apper to shirk the contest....Houli on the other hand.... :shh
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I liked his game yesterday. His possessions were actually productive compared to his usual meaningless ones.
Maybe he traded himself out of his SuperCoach team and hence didn’t worry about the dinky sideways kicks and then the run around the back to get it back again. (Only joking)
Played well and yes I didn’t see any of “those” moments.
That effort should be the norm.
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If he keeps playing like this he will poll very well in the B&F and is worth keeping. Keep it up Brando!
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having a good year so far, looks like getting dropped gave him a rocket.
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I liked his game yesterday. His possessions were actually productive compared to his usual meaningless ones.
Maybe he traded himself out of his SuperCoach team and hence didn’t worry about the dinky sideways kicks and then the run around the back to get it back again. (Only joking)
Played well and yes I didn’t see any of “those” moments.
That effort should be the norm.
There actually was one of those moments, but it was only a little one and it happened right in front of me. However, he played a fantastic game overall and I am once again extremely happy to be proven wrong by a player. Well done Brando and keep it up!
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Great call to move him back to the wing (which most here were saying all along).
I think we’ve all known that he is a great kick which made it even more frustrating to see him play safe with the sideways and backward chip passing coupled with him pulling out of contests.
The renewed freedom he has been afforded has obviously given him much more confidence and he is less likely to shirk a contest
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Playing really well this year :clapping
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If he keeps playing like this he will poll very well in the B&F and is worth keeping. Keep it up Brando!
The problem the club will run into is the salary cap.
With Balta to sign as well, plus upgrading Ross and Stack there will not be many dollars to share around. Only Grigg's $ in the Bank.
Can see Ellis attracting some decent offers and we will be unable to match. Even if Ellis decides to stay for less it would mean someone else in the middle contract range would be squeezed out.
Going to take some creative accounting by the club.
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If he keeps playing like this he will poll very well in the B&F and is worth keeping. Keep it up Brando!
The problem the club will run into is the salary cap.
With Balta to sign as well, plus upgrading Ross and Stack there will not be many dollars to share around. Only Grigg's $ in the Bank.
Can see Ellis attracting some decent offers and we will be unable to match. Even if Ellis decides to stay for less it would mean someone else in the middle contract range would be squeezed out.
Going to take some creative accounting by the club.
Every good side over the years have players that get squeezed out due to salary cap pressures.
I think with the kids we have coming through Bellis could be the one.
I hope he leaves with 2 premiership medals though.
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Can Tigers find space to keep Ellis?
Herald-Sun
24 May 2019
Damien Hardwick admits he has fallen back in love with Brandon Ellis.
Now the in-form Tigers wingman will have to hope the club’s list management has the will — and cap space — to show him some affection too.
Clubs that are crying out for leg speed and precision kicking like Carlton are expected to come hard at the restricted free agent.
No talks have started yet, with Ellis assessing his options but clearly keen to stay if the price is right.
He has peeled off four 100-plus point rankings points games in the past six weeks, including last week’s 35-possession, 10-contested possession game against Hawthorn.
Those who pot his kicking should note that it is in the elite category this season, with Ellis also kicking five goals in eight games.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/moneyball-latest-trade-whispers-contract-news-on-james-sicily-adam-tomlinson-brandon-ellis/news-story/6814111a735255d90a65a4882d9870e3
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Big name midfield target for next year so our cap's either not as tight as people think or - more likely- we'll be making some room... :shh
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Classic pump then dump :shh
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Those supercoach scores are really important to a club when they're looking for a free agent. :rollin
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Those supercoach scores are really important to a club when they're looking for a free agent. :rollin
Those supercoach scores are reflective of how week he is travelling atm.
Like I always said, his game is far more suited to playing on the wing rather than half back and I don’t think he would struggle to break into many teams playing that role.
We have some exciting cubs who play his position and so if he does decide to leave then I don’t think it would be the worst thing. Although if he keeps playing to this standard I don’t think even his biggest haters here can be disappointed if he re-signs.
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Those supercoach scores are really important to a club when they're looking for a free agent. :rollin
Those supercoach scores are reflective of how week he is travelling atm.
Like I always said, his game is far more suited to playing on the wing rather than half back and I don’t think he would struggle to break into many teams playing that role.
We have some exciting cubs who play his position and so if he does decide to leave then I don’t think it would be the worst thing. Although if he keeps playing to this standard I don’t think even his biggest haters here can be disappointed if he re-signs.
I’d be more than disappointed.
I really hope he gets a great deal to set himself up but moves on.
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Bit of Ren McCormack abour our Brando.
Cutloose.
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Will Brandon Ellis stay at Tigerland?
The born-again winger is a restricted free agent at the end of this season, meaning his pay falls in the top 25 per cent of the club's contracts. After years at half-back, the 25-year-old was moved to the wing this year, and after a rocky start, has found his feet. He's averaging 23.4 disposals, up from 19.8 last year, and at his age is an attractive proposition for rebuilding clubs.
– Sarah Black
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-05/finals-trade-plans-next-coach-your-clubs-burning-questions
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Should have taken what he could get
Absolute spud and we need to delist him, cost us atleast 4 goals tonight
:banghead :banghead
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Should have taken what he could get
Absolute spud and we need to delist him, cost us atleast 4 goals tonight
:banghead :banghead
His stock standard game unfortunately. Dimma needs to focus on what he can't do and send him back to the VFL.
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Should have taken what he could get
Absolute spud and we need to delist him, cost us atleast 4 goals tonight
:banghead :banghead
Yep along with Higgins were stuffing pathetic
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Stinker.
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We're back to the "can't carry both him & Houli in the same side" days of yore...except now we have Butler, Menadue & Naish all playing as well...
(https://i.imgflip.com/33d4wo.jpg)
:shh
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Hahahaha that pic is good value, have to pay that :lol
:shh
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Like someone else said, pretty standard for Bellis.
He doesn’t even look to kick the ball forward.
He is so soft it actually makes me laugh when he gets the footy.
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Flag Tiger parks contract talks as Blues, Roos and Dons circle
AFL.com.au
Mitch Cleary
Jul 4, 2019 8:11PM
RICHMOND premiership midfielder Brandon Ellis has parked contract negotiations as he prepares to explore his free agency options.
A restricted free agent at season's end, Ellis has received interest from Victorian clubs including Carlton, North Melbourne and Essendon with others outside Melbourne monitoring his situation.
It is understood Ellis, 25, will meet with his management in the next month to assess his options for 2020, with the Tigers well aware of his plans to canvass the open market.
The Blues will look for readymade options this year after going to the draft in recent seasons, while the Roos and Bombers are both in need of added midfield depth.
However, the Blues and Roos find themselves in list management limbo before season's end with a number of decisions up in the air, as both clubs are without a senior coach for 2020.
Ellis last re-signed a two-year deal at Richmond in August 2017 and finds himself in the Tigers' top-10 earners this season as a restricted free agent.
Since 2017, the Tigers have lured Tom Lynch and signed 11 premiership players beyond 2019 including healthy extensions for Dustin Martin, Nick Vlastuin, Dylan Grimes, Daniel Rioli and Kane Lambert.
As a result, it is believed Ellis would be bumped down the pecking order of top earners at Punt Road should he wish to stay.
The Tigers are also set to extend Shane Edwards' contract into 2020, with a deal still to be struck for integral key defender David Astbury, an unrestricted free agent this season.
Others out of contract include Dan Butler, Liam Baker, Shai Bolton, Nathan Broad and Kamdyn McIntosh.
Ellis was dropped twice last season, including on the eve of finals, and was overlooked for round one this year but has since played 12 matches and returned to his best averaging 22.3 disposals per game.
Coach Damien Hardwick admitted last month he had focused too much on the downfalls in Ellis' game in recent seasons.
"He's had some challenges, there's no doubt. The great thing about Brandon, the thing I love, is he accepts the areas he's got to get better at," Hardwick said.
"But also as a coaching group, I probably didn't understand and back in his strengths enough. That was on me. To his credit, he's gone on and is playing some wonderful footy.
"He's playing his natural game, his ability to run and create, use the ball, mark, has just been really evident for me to see, which is really pleasing.
"It happens from time to time, and at stages I've got to get better at catching myself doing it. I know when I'm at my worst, unfortunately, Brandon's one of those guys, he’s really close to me, that cops it the most."
Ellis is one of five restricted free agents this season alongside Greater Western Sydney's Stephen Coniglio, Gold Coast's Sam Day, Adelaide's Sam Jacobs and St Kilda's Jack Newnes.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-04/flag-tiger-ellis-parks-contract-talks-as-blues-roos-and-dons-circle
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Richmond’s Brandon Ellis put off contract talks until late in the year at the start of the season and remains one of the quality free agents on the market.
He is little chance of securing a contract at Richmond anywhere near what he would be paid by Victorian rivals keen to secure a player with excellent disposal and solid rebound.
He has enjoyed one of his most consistent years after being dropped twice this year, his management likely to park his deal until year’s end given the Tigers lack of cap space and his improving form.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/brad-hill-could-be-on-the-move-and-tiger-brandon-ellis-is-sure-to-be-in-free-agency-picture/news-story/1e0a36a986b2b6039d0e4edec4cb2082
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Excellent.
AFL will screw us on compo, so threaten to match and force a trade if possible...
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Ellis last re-signed a two-year deal at Richmond in August 2017 and finds himself in the Tigers' top-10 earners this season as a restricted free agent.
What sort of compo would we get for Ellis if he's in our top-10 earners and leaves as a FA? Another first round pick?
I'd take either one of the Blues (linked Adelaide), North or the Bombers first rounders if we match and force a trade.
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I’d be just happy he is gone to be honest. A compo pick would just be a bonus for all the years we have had to watch him jumping at shadows.
I can only cross my fingers and hope Bellis, Houli and even Menadue, the 3 softest players on our list will be gone by years end.
Bring in 3 kids with a bit of go and our list would be in better shape. Preferably 3 KPP’s.
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Ellis last re-signed a two-year deal at Richmond in August 2017 and finds himself in the Tigers' top-10 earners this season as a restricted free agent.
What sort of compo would we get for Ellis if he's in our top-10 earners and leaves as a FA? Another first round pick?
I'd take either one of the Blues (linked Adelaide), North or the Bombers first rounders if we match and force a trade.
We won't match, as they'll all offer more than we will.
We should get first round compo, considering what Geel were gifted for Motlop.
But we know the AFL have got it in for us after we have exploited the system with the Vickery signing and Lynch last year.
We'll likely get end of second round.
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I’d be just happy he is gone to be honest. A compo pick would just be a bonus for all the years we have had to watch him jumping at shadows.
I can only cross my fingers and hope Bellis, Houli and even Menadue, the 3 softest players on our list will be gone by years end.
Bring in 3 kids with a bit of go and our list would be in better shape. Preferably 3 KPP’s.
What no Short on the soft list. He is every bit as soft as the other three.
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Even Claw can see it... :shh
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Even Claw can see it... :shh
Ive been saying it for a fair while now.
Only one place in the backline for a small. for me that small should be Stack.If not stack then Houli who easily outperforms the likes of Short ellis etc.
If Ellis goes id like to use whatever we get for him on a player like Harris Andrews. If Picketts wafl form translated to Afl id play him in front of both Houli and Short.
looking fwd id be happy with
Grimes - Andrews - Stack
Rance - Balta - Vlastuin/Pickett
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You think Harris Andrews could fit under our salary cap?
I don't get how there are people who think the club wouldn't pay Ellis a decent amount to stay (if they can and he wants to stay, they will) yet think we're in the hunt for another gun from another club. It's either one or the other IMO.
Andrews would be an amazing get though. Wouldn't get him cheap though. Brisbane are keen on BEllis...tell Bris we'll match their FA offer unless they trade us Andrews for Brave Brando...heck we'll even send them Short & Tabouli to add even more bravery to their club....:shh
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I’d be just happy he is gone to be honest. A compo pick would just be a bonus for all the years we have had to watch him jumping at shadows.
I can only cross my fingers and hope Bellis, Houli and even Menadue, the 3 softest players on our list will be gone by years end.
Bring in 3 kids with a bit of go and our list would be in better shape. Preferably 3 KPP’s.
What no Short on the soft list. He is every bit as soft as the other three.
Short is Glen Archer compared to those 3.
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I see a few on here have mentioned they'd like us to pursue Powell-Pepper.
Well this looks a possibility. Fleshing out the bones of a possible trade
Ellis to Essendon
Fantasia to Port
Powell-Pepper to us
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Ellis is an unrestricted free agent, no trade required unless we match which we won't , Fantasia's said he doesn't want to leave.....if we go after SPP it won't be via that scenario.....Port are into Bolton so that may be a starting point.... :shh
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Ellis is an unrestricted free agent, no trade required unless we match which we won't , Fantasia's said he doesn't want to leave.....if we go after SPP it won't be via that scenario.....Port are into Bolton so that may be a starting point.... :shh
Bolton isn’t going anywhere.....
Ellis on the other hand, I’m not so sure. 🎉
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Ellis is an unrestricted free agent, no trade required unless we match which we won't , Fantasia's said he doesn't want to leave.....if we go after SPP it won't be via that scenario.....Port are into Bolton so that may be a starting point.... :shh
The original article says Ellis is restricted.
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AFL.com.au journalist Mitch Cleary has provided an update on the latest trade news and rumours to this point in the season.
Brandon Ellis (Richmond)
“This is a fascinating one, it’s a bit of a holding pattern at the moment. He’s parked negotiations until the end of the season, I think North Melbourne and Carlton are both interested,” Cleary told AFL Nation.
“It’s hard to see him staying at Richmond next year. I think it’s long odds he stays at Punt Road. He’s a restricted free agent so that means he’s a top 10 earner right now, he’s nowhere near their top 10 earners right now.
“He’d have to take a pay cut to stay.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/07/12/clearys-huge-trade-update-on-ellis-langdon-goldstein-greenwood-and-more/
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AFL.com.au journalist Mitch Cleary has provided an update on the latest trade news and rumours to this point in the season.
Brandon Ellis (Richmond)
“This is a fascinating one, it’s a bit of a holding pattern at the moment. He’s parked negotiations until the end of the season, I think North Melbourne and Carlton are both interested,” Cleary told AFL Nation.
“It’s hard to see him staying at Richmond next year. I think it’s long odds he stays at Punt Road. He’s a restricted free agent so that means he’s a top 10 earner right now, he’s nowhere near their top 10 earners right now.
“He’d have to take a pay cut to stay.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/07/12/clearys-huge-trade-update-on-ellis-langdon-goldstein-greenwood-and-more/
Obviously I hope he leaves but if it’s looking like it, play someone else instead.
Make his decision easy.
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Credit where it's due. Brandon with 12 contested possessions today.
29 disposals (18k, 11h, 12c, 19u, 69% eff.)
4 marks
4 clearances
4 first possessions
4 inside F50
4 rebound D50
4 tackles
5 one%ers
3 clangers
1 goal assist
2 behinds
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AFL Nation saying on Friday night he is gone.
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AFL Nation saying on Friday night he is gone.
If he does go, we should be well compensated
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He had a good game and on a few occasions was actually tough, refusing to go to ground and once going back with the flight. At his best is a very good player, I just wish he was tough week in week out...
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He had a good game and on a few occasions was actually tough, refusing to go to ground and once going back with the flight. At his best is a very good player, I just wish he was tough week in week out...
Did you go to the game Andy?
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He had a good game and on a few occasions was actually tough, refusing to go to ground and once going back with the flight. At his best is a very good player, I just wish he was tough week in week out...
Did you go to the game Andy?
Yes, M51.
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He had a good game and on a few occasions was actually tough, refusing to go to ground and once going back with the flight. At his best is a very good player, I just wish he was tough week in week out...
Did you go to the game Andy?
Yes, M51.
And you thought he had a good game?
I too was at the game and all I saw was Brando dropping off the back of the stoppages without an opponent with his hand up like he wanted to ask a question.
No wonder he gets 30, he never plays on anyone.
One more question- how damaging were/are his 30 touches each week?
I personally cannot wait to play against him, maybe then some may see why opposition clubs allow him to run around by himself.
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It’s hard to give an honest assessment of someone’s game when you’ve already made your judgement before the ball is bounced.
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I thought he played very well, especially late in the game.
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He had a good game and on a few occasions was actually tough, refusing to go to ground and once going back with the flight. At his best is a very good player, I just wish he was tough week in week out...
Did you go to the game Andy?
Yes, M51.
And you thought he had a good game?
I too was at the game and all I saw was Brando dropping off the back of the stoppages without an opponent with his hand up like he wanted to ask a question.
No wonder he gets 30, he never plays on anyone.
One more question- how damaging were/are his 30 touches each week?
I personally cannot wait to play against him, maybe then some may see why opposition clubs allow him to run around by himself.
Personally I can't wait to see the back of him, but I thought he had a good game nonetheless and is having quite a decent year.
Admittedly I sit in row B, near the interchange, so sometimes it's hard to see certain things because my seat isn't that high up. But when the play is close to the fence you can see and hear with a lot of detail and I've seen Brandon being tough from time to time...
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It’s hard to give an honest assessment of someone’s game when you’ve already made your judgement before the ball is bounced.
I have watched him play 160 odd games so you are probably right.
That’s enough time to make a “honest” judgment I reckon.
And I guess disliking him so much (as a footballer) I watch him a lot closer than some that just get sucked in by the stat sheet.
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He was fantastic today. Hard as nails too.
Literally playing his role with how he sets up as sweeper at certain stoppages.
He's played a 160 games for a reason...:shh
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It’s hard to give an honest assessment of someone’s game when you’ve already made your judgement before the ball is bounced.
I have watched him play 160 odd games so you are probably right.
That’s enough time to make a “honest” judgment I reckon.
And I guess disliking him so much (as a footballer) I watch him a lot closer than some that just get sucked in by the stat sheet.
You’ve just proved what I was saying by judging him based on past performances. You can not be a fan of his career thus far and still say he’s had a good game.
And spare me the stats sheet line, I’d say most if not all people on this forum watch every game.
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Brandon Ellis post-game on K-Rock:
“It was a bit of a rocky start to the year,” Ellis said.
“I didn’t get picked for Round 1 and then I probably had a couple of stinkers.
“But ‘Dimma’ backed me in and let me play, and put me back in the midfield, where I think I play my best footy.
“I’m just trying to go out there every week and play a role for the team. That’s what we’re about at the Tigers.
“Sometimes you get rewarded for effort . . .
“Playing most weeks now, you can back yourself in, back your strengths in.
“Dimma’s been fantastic for me this year. He’s allowed me to play to my strengths and play my own game.
“Yes, there are some things that I do need to clean up, and they probably stand out sometimes, but if I can bring other things to the table, that can sort of make it even.”
Read more: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-07-15/brando-bounces-back
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It’s hard to give an honest assessment of someone’s game when you’ve already made your judgement before the ball is bounced.
I have watched him play 160 odd games so you are probably right.
That’s enough time to make a “honest” judgment I reckon.
And I guess disliking him so much (as a footballer) I watch him a lot closer than some that just get sucked in by the stat sheet.
You’ve just proved what I was saying by judging him based on past performances. You can not be a fan of his career thus far and still say he’s had a good game.
And spare me the stats sheet line, I’d say most if not all people on this forum watch every game.
What you have proved is if I think a player is useless for 160 games, his 161st game isn’t going to be any better.
The same old unaccountability with lots of irrelevant possessions.
Do you think there is a reason a 160 game, 25 year old, first round draft selection isn’t going to be offered a contract that is bigger than his last? Surely you would move heaven and earth to keep that sort of player??
I know the answer....
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He is going to be offered a contract bigger than his last, by at least 5 different clubs. Why would other clubs be chasing him if his first 160 games were so bad? It's going to come down to whether or not we can offer him a decent enough deal to fit our cap restraints. Then it's up to him to decide whether he'll take the extra $ on offer elsewhere or stay for a bit less.
One thing is for sure, the boy certainly still has the respect of his coach and teammates & was clearly playing for the jumper on Sunday.
I know I love him and you hate him, but probably best to just leave your thoughts on him be since everyone already knows what they are. Same could be said for me but at least I acknowledge his faults and am happy to admit when he's not put in decent efforts.
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Thanks Mr Ellis!
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Not an argument, Mr Imposter.....:shh
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I thought BEllis was good this week, after a pretty ordinary effort against the Suns
One of the problems and this isn't BEllis' fault but early on he was gifted alot of games, that's why he's played 160 games. Perhaps if he hadn't been we wouldn't be having this on going discussion. The flaws would be out of his game (you'd hope)
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He is going to be offered a contract bigger than his last, by at least 5 different clubs. Why would other clubs be chasing him if his first 160 games were so bad? It's going to come down to whether or not we can offer him a decent enough deal to fit our cap restraints. Then it's up to him to decide whether he'll take the extra $ on offer elsewhere or stay for a bit less.
One thing is for sure, the boy certainly still has the respect of his coach and teammates & was clearly playing for the jumper on Sunday.
I know I love him and you hate him, but probably best to just leave your thoughts on him be since everyone already knows what they are. Same could be said for me but at least I acknowledge his faults and am happy to admit when he's not put in decent efforts.
The only problem with that is I don’t think you acknowledge his faults because if you did you would sound like me.... but happy to disagree as I know you like him. But unfortunately I won’t be keeping quiet about him if he plays like he did in the weekend.
And from what I’m hearing he will be leaving at the end of the year because we would prefer to spend the money elsewhere. True story.
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We really can’t afford to lose Ellis or Butler for that matter.
The one glaring hole on our list right now is a good whipping boy coming through. Clarke and co. have done a good job recruiting talent lately, but this is a serious concern. With Weller’s papers looking stamped, along with Aarts and Menadue, we need to find one quick.
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We really can’t afford to lose Ellis or Butler for that matter.
The one glaring hole on our list right now is a good whipping boy coming through. Clarke and co. have done a good job recruiting talent lately, but this is a serious concern. With Weller’s papers looking stamped, along with Aarts and Menadue, we need to find one quick.
100% agree, the value of a good whipping boy can never be underestimated
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Good news boys
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/ellis-insists-he-wants-to-stay-at-richmond-20190721-p5298z.html?fbclid=IwAR1hqvcB01JjwXJ6vRWfvFm2GjNW8V0Qj9sPF9720uy8JJ01zgYKq4a6U_A
:shh
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That means he wants out... Money talks!!!
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That means he wants out... Money talks!!!
Who could blame him?
Likely to get a lot more elsewhere. But I reckon he will stay with us for a fair bit less. Just a case of whether the difference is too great.
North still smarting over us keeping Dusty, so watch them make a dumb offer.
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Ellis insists he wants to stay at Richmond
Daniel Cherny
The Age
22 July 2019
Free agent Brandon Ellis has stressed that he wants to stay at Punt Road, indicating that he is hopeful of signing a new contract with Richmond soon.
The premiership Tiger has loomed as a possible victim of the club’s salary cap squeeze, with the restricted free agent linked with clubs including Carlton and North Melbourne.
Dropped on the eve of last year’s finals, and overlooked for round one this year, Ellis has enjoyed a resurgence, playing 15 games this year and enjoying strong outings in the recent wins over Greater Western Sydney and Port Adelaide.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick conceded earlier in the season that he had focused too much on Ellis’ weaknesses rather than the wingman’s strengths over the preceding year. Ellis said the mea culpa was well-received.
“It meant a lot. I didn’t feel I was backed in, I just thought that every time they’d make a mistake that’s what they’d look at, they wouldn’t look at my good stuff,” Ellis told The Age.
“But we swept that under the carpet, started clean and Dimma’s [Hardwick] been amazing. Obviously I’ve still got flaws in my game but I just try and win my strengths every week and keep working on my weaknesses.
“Dimma backed me in, put me in the midfield where I think I play my best footy. He’s just sort of backed me in to play to my strengths each week, which I’m loving and love doing.”
Asked if a development on his playing future was close, Ellis said, “I hope so.”
“I leave that to my manager [Marty Pask] and [Richmond list manager] Blair Hartley and the club to sort out. Hopefully we’ll get something done soon.”
But he was adamant that he wanted to stay. “I love this club. I love what we’re about.’’
Ellis has played 168 games since being taken as a first-round draft pick in 2011.
Knowing first-hand about the selection axe, Ellis suggested that no Tiger was safe, following the recent omission of fellow premiership players Josh Caddy and Kamdyn McIntosh.
“Our VFL’s flying, so it’s a credit to [VFL coach] Craig McRae who’s a coach of the VFL program. He’s been amazing. For [Josh] Caddy to be kept out of the team because we’ve got [Shai] Bolton playing well, [Sydney] Stack playing well, it just shows how much depth that we’ve got.’’
With four wins on the trot, the Tigers are on the verge of breaking into the top four, and will have the chance to do so against Collingwood at the MCG on Friday night.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/ellis-insists-he-wants-to-stay-at-richmond-20190721-p5298z.html
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With 7 minutes to go in the last, BT says, “Ellis has to go here, and he did.... this time”
Says it all.
But let’s be honest, no one is even shocked it happened again.
The quicker the little sissy leaves the better.
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That play between him & Short Steps summed them both up ...a classic display of synchronised squibbing & tag-team pants-pooting... :shh
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Short Step set a few lads up last night and dropped 16 chesties...:shh stuff me. Brando 40 metres in the clear at one point so BT's man drops the chesty, takes 5 seconds to pick it up and then kicks it up in the stuffing headlights where Brave Brando courageously got an arm to it......:shh :shh
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Short Step set a few lads up last night and dropped 16 chesties...:shh stuff me. Brando 40 metres in the clear at one point so BT's man drops the chesty, takes 5 seconds to pick it up and then kicks it up in the stuffing headlights where Brave Brando courageously got an arm to it......:shh :shh
What was it you called that pizweak effort by your man Brando in the game thread?
Sickening??
And it happens weekly with Brando.
I know Dimma was sickened by it going off the footage straight after it
The most scared Richmond footballer to ever play AFL footy that I have ever seen.
If anyone can think of another to rival him I would love to hear it.
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I was being facetious in the post you just quoted...:shh I know Brave Brando's shortcomings. He had 2 poor efforts in the first half. Had a better dip in the 2nd. Overall a pretty subpar game but probably still the favourite for the Brownlow
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Ellis must make big sacrifice to stay a Tiger
Jon Ralph,
Herald Sun
July 30, 2019
Brandon Ellis will have to sacrifice over half a million dollars over the life of his next contract to remain at the Tigers.
Ellis has put off contract talks until the end of the year and as a restricted free agent turning 26 this week is sure to have suitors in an extremely thin free agency market.
Ellis has played some of the best football of his career this year but again underlined his polarising nature with fans when he should have gone stronger back with the flight.
But with the free agency market bereft of stars beyond Stephen Coniglio, players like Stephen Hill and Ellis are sure to attract offers around $500,000 a year and more.
Luke Dahlhaus secured a $2 million, four-year offer when he moved from the Bulldogs to Geelong despite a shocking 2018 season, with Ellis likely to ask for a deal as long as four years.
At Richmond he is a strong role player but with the club’s cap demands there is no way he would secure a contract around that level.
They would be more likely to offer him no more than $400,000 a season and would have to make other sacrifices to retain him.
Ellis has strong rival interest given his combination of disposal and hard running, and has the third-best kick rating of any wingman this season.
The Tigers have a star-studded list with at least five A-Graders and must find cap space for Shai Bolton, Liam Baker, Dan Butler and Mabior Chol.
Sydney Stack will also sign a deal which has incentives for him to return in excellent shape as he pushes Carlton’s Sam Walsh for the AFL Rising Star award.
The Dogs secured a second-round compensation pick for Dahlhaus, which given their low ladder position ended up as pick 31.
The club will also recontract free agents Bachar Houli and Shane Edwards at the end of the season given both are still in exceptional form.
The Tigers are in line for another deep finish, with rivals circling players including young WA utility Baker.
But this year having moved on depth players including Corey Ellis, Sam Lloyd and Anthony Miles, they have found half a dozen exciting players by blooding them early when injuries hit.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/free-agent-brandon-ellis-will-need-to-sacrifice-over-500000-to-stay-at-richmond/news-story/b108f0973d263950243e6ca9aa425283
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Brandon Ellis to Carlton is getting louder...
Got pretty solid info from a insider at Carlton
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-draft-targets-rumours-2019.1216210/post-62312896
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Brandon Ellis to Carlton is getting louder...
Got pretty solid info from a insider at Carlton
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-draft-targets-rumours-2019.1216210/post-62312896
Gee Brandon will go well at Blues. NOT.
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RICHMOND premiership player Brandon Ellis is among a group of five trade targets the Gold Coast Suns believe can improve their list and get the club on an upward trajectory.
The Suns have made it their priority to bring in established and experienced players who can bolster their midfield, adding to their quality and depth.
Ellis is a restricted free agent at the end of the season and is yet to agree on a new deal with the Tigers, who he won a premiership with in 2017.
The 26-year-old declared late last month he was eager to stay at Richmond but a squeeze on their salary cap may force him to look at other options. Carlton, North Melbourne and Essendon have also been linked to the elite runner.
https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/five-rival-players-the-gold-coast-suns-are-interested-in-acquiring-at-this-years-afl-trade-period/news-story/b2fff49d94df672d03b8bc59e57b2dc7
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Could we package up
Ellis, Townsend, Menadue and 1 or two others and get an early pick?
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Could we package up
Ellis, Townsend, Menadue and 1 or two others and get an early pick?
Ellis is a restricted free agent. If another club makes an offer that we can't/don't match then he's gone. We would get compo in return based on his current pay ranking at Richmond, the $$$ and length of his new contract at his new club, and what other trades we do (eg: if we scored a FA ourselves then that could 'cancel' out Ellis leaving regarding compo).
IIRC, Ellis is a top-10 earner at the Club. So I'm presuming we could get a first rounder as compo. That would give us our current pick 15 and then pick 16 as compo.
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We could always package up the compo pick... :shh
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Whatever we get is a bonus!
But why do we keep playing him??
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It's crazy how he's played 170 games of AFL and played in a premiership. AND other clubs want him.
Like why? He clearly wouldn't get a game under a sensible coach
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Out of pity...grew up in poverty ... :shh
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:shh :shh
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We could always package up the compo pick... :shh
Possibly if any of the northern clubs need certain draft points for their academy kids that are ranked as first rounders?
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I thought he stood up today
Some moments today he went when he was supposed to go
Very good game
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We got good BEllis today
Make that very good BEllis, I gave him votes, thought he was terrific
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Arguably his best match for two years... :shh
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Yep.
Very much a Jekyll-Hyde type player.... :shh
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He’s been good this year since the bye
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Was probably given a final warning after last weeks shocker
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Great game today, was actually tough at times. Thanks B
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Great game today, was actually tough at times. Thanks B
Tough all day when we needed him to be.
Couldn't believe it when I checked the game thread at quarter time and some bloke said he was jumping at shadows. Cracked in super hard at least 3 times that quarter - didn't shirk one all day.
Sometimes people just gotta give credit when it's due and it's good to see some people in here doing just that :gotigers
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Was good today.
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There was an imposter in Bellis’ body
Today’s was fair dinkum
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I think I saw him shirk it once in the first Q. Mind you we were putrid in the first across the board.
After that he was super.
Happy to reserve judgement for Q1 until I've watched replay...
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15. Brandon Ellis (Richmond)
Everyone talks about what he isn’t — a Michael Voss-style crash and bash star who opponents fear. What he is at Richmond is a 26-year-old free agent with elite foot skills who averages 22 possessions this year with clean hands and an ability to play halfback or wing. Slot that in next year and it immediately improves your side. Clubs would have to offer four or five years, but the Cats offered Luke Dahlhaus four years at about $2 million and that has turned out well so far. His game against Carlton shows what he can do — 22 touches at 71 per cent kicking efficiency, seven tackles, quality pressure. If you were a Fremantle or Carlton looking for a versatile wingman/utility you could do a lot worse.
CHAMPION DATA SAYS: Rates above average for disposals and had the third-best kicking efficiency of any wingman.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/jon-ralph-ranks-the-afls-top-25-uncontracted-players-on-their-trade-free-agency-value/news-story/0c5e8ece77977dae2a25c203f066f1bd
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Trade talk: How Tigers can win from Ellis deal
Jon Ralph and Jay Clark,
Herald Sun
23 Aug 2019
Richmond will be desperate for rivals to drive the price up on Brandon Ellis rather than hoping they can find the money to keep him.
If Ellis secures a four or five-year contract elsewhere on as much as $500,000 the Tigers could realistically expect a second-round compensation pick for the 26-year-old after eight years’ service.
In an ideal world the Tigers would have the cap space to keep the free agent wingman/half back.
But with a fleet of highly paid stars — including Tom Lynch, Alex Rance, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin ad Dion Prestia — they won’t be able to come close to rival offers.
West Coast secured an end-of-first-round compensation pick when Scott Lycett left on a five-year, $3 million deal, but the Tigers won’t get that much.
The Dogs got a second-rounder for Luke Dahlhaus last year on a four-year, $2 million deal.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-latest-contract-news-whispers-from-around-the-afl/news-story/02df9a39092414143c310a7ba39c505d
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Get rid of him....
......we win. :cheers :rollin :shh
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Formula needs to be public to prove the AFL doesn't cheat
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I believe another factor that goes into the equation is the original pick the club paid for the player.
In Ellis's case it was pick 15.
Lycett was a second rounder and Dalhaus a rookie.
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Not a surprise but Caro said Ellis will move on [elsewhere]. Didn't mentioned to which other club.
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Rivals renew interest in flag Tiger after Blues cool on free agent
AFL.com.au
Mitch Cleary
Aug 28, 2019 12:26PM
CARLTON has delivered a stunning backflip on the eve of finals, pulling out of the race for Richmond free agent Brandon Ellis.
Despite courting the premiership wingman for much of the season, the Blues have withdrawn their interest to focus on a pursuit of other trade targets.
Rival clubs and industry figures have become aware of the Ellis situation and his sudden availability after many had viewed the Blues as a clubhouse leader for the Tiger's services throughout the season.
It is believed the Blues' call on Ellis came late last week, even before they were denied another big target in Stephen Coniglio, who recommitted to the Giants on Tuesday.
The Blues had been confident of landing Coniglio, who was being chased with a monster deal of up to $1.3 million per season and up to $2 million for the first season alone.
Gold Coast is coming hard at Ellis in an attempt to attract senior experience, with rivals now closely monitoring his intentions after previously anticipating he was due to land at the Blues.
Brisbane also enquired about the 26-year-old last year while he was under contract at the Tigers, before the explosion of youngsters Hugh McCluggage and Jarrod Berry.
As a top-10 earner at the Tigers this season, Ellis is a restricted free agent.
As revealed by AFL.com.au in July, Ellis had decided to park all negotiations until season's end to assess his free agency options.
Coniglio's recommitment leaves Ellis as one of few sought-after free agents in this year's crop. Others include Adam Tomlinson, Jamie Elliott and Todd Goldstein.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-28/rivals-renew-interest-in-flag-tiger-after-blues-cool-on-free-agent
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Sam Edmund in the Herald-Sun saying not surprisingly that Ellis is gone at the end of the season.
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The soon-to-be restricted free agent is keen to secure a better deal after eight seasons at Punt Road. Carlton were interested in bringing Ellis to Ikon Park, but have since changed their mind, while Ellis is now also keen on other options. Gold Coast and St Kilda have been linked to the 26-year-old, but another Melbourne-based finalist has just started showing interest.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trades-unplugged-superfooty-trade-experts-look-at-where-the-big-names-will-be-playing-next-season/news-story/ce7690e83479349b4b063ccedcc3816b
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Other Melbourne based finalist would be Essendon I assume
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Sam Edmund in the Herald-Sun saying not surprisingly that Ellis is gone at the end of the season.
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The soon-to-be restricted free agent is keen to secure a better deal after eight seasons at Punt Road. Carlton were interested in bringing Ellis to Ikon Park, but have since changed their mind, while Ellis is now also keen on other options. Gold Coast and St Kilda have been linked to the 26-year-old, but another Melbourne-based finalist has just started showing interest.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trades-unplugged-superfooty-trade-experts-look-at-where-the-big-names-will-be-playing-next-season/news-story/ce7690e83479349b4b063ccedcc3816b
Carlton must have finally found time to watch him play...
Dodged a bullet Blues!
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GCSs are offering $600K +..... :shh
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GCSs are offering $600K +..... :shh
That's a first rounder right there. Could be 5+ years too surely?
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He should take the $600k and run.
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BRANDON ELLIS
Carlton pulled the rug out from under him after a season of chasing the free agent hard. The Ellis camp feels let down by Carlton’s process, but other suitors have emerged including Gold Coast. Hawthorn has missed out on Stephen Coniglio. Would they be interested given Jarman Impey’s ACL recovery and their free cap space.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trades-unplugged-superfooty-trade-experts-look-at-where-the-big-names-will-be-playing-next-season/news-story/05d5f3999bdd0c8fb69882704c019905
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If Rioli had a different surname this forum would demand his Capuano papers for that effort on the wing where Houli smashed it out to him and it was Cotch and a Lion coming the other way....I suppose too much time can do things to a man....:shh
Did a few good things did Daniel but also reeked of human excrement on numerous occasions too. Never really gets called out for it, only a few do. Ah well
kumbaya i'm stoned btw amen
Maybe Brandi can score him a locker next to his at visy park :shh
think you'll find it's down to us and GC. he is getting a godfather offer from the fat man's football department..... :shh
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Pretty much the same commentary as the above but with the title "Blues leave Tiger Ellis in limbo"
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Brandon Ellis's future is up in the air after Carlton pulled out of a bid to secure the uncontracted Tiger.
Richmond is unlikely to match a rival club's offer for the 26-year-old free agent given its salary cap squeeze.
... other suitors have emerged including Gold Coast. Hawthorn is another potential suitor after missing out on Stephen Coniglio.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-wednesday-september-4-2019/live-coverage/5cc50af6dbc7189f0c9c9715b97dd31c
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Pretty much the same commentary as the above but with the title "Blues leave Tiger Ellis in limbo"
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Brandon Ellis's future is up in the air after Carlton pulled out of a bid to secure the uncontracted Tiger.
Richmond is unlikely to match a rival club's offer for the 26-year-old free agent given its salary cap squeeze.
... other suitors have emerged including Gold Coast. Hawthorn is another potential suitor after missing out on Stephen Coniglio.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-wednesday-september-4-2019/live-coverage/5cc50af6dbc7189f0c9c9715b97dd31c
If he is such a gun why aren’t clubs lining up??... I hope Gold Coast don’t pull out!!
I can just see us getting stuck with him again next year.
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Mitch Cleary on SEN gave an update on Ellis' trade status.
Brandon Ellis
“The Gold Coast are pretty confident on this one.
There’s a few clubs sniffing around here in Melbourne, but I think they’ve got the most money on the table for Ellis.
Ellis won’t be at Richmond next year.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/06/clearys-trade-update-suns-confident-on-star-defenders-betts-martin-fantasia/
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If it comes down to which club has the most money then hello first round pick as compo.
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FHO.
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Gone after this game.
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Gone after this game.
Surely couldn’t keep his spot after tonight.
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Agree ...and he can take Shortsteps with him... :shh
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Thanks for your service, hand in your gym pass on your way out!
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Bring in pickett
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Agree ...and he can take Shortsteps with him... :shh
Here we go again...put your bloody glasses on :shh
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Agree ...and he can take Shortsteps with him... :shh
Here we go again...put your bloody glasses on :shh
They were both poo, will be found out badly against a good side
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He really stood out tonight, weak link in the team. PICKETT
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Agree ...and he can take Shortsteps with him... :shh
Here we go again...put your bloody glasses on :shh
They were both poo, will be found out badly against a good side
:shh
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Long term I wanna see this guy replaced by Pickett or Stack, and I'm happy for Short to make way for the other.
Balta on the wing.
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He was getting shoved around like a kid tonight. Was lucky to be out there.
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Hope Gold Coast weren't watching... :facepalm
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Surely he gets dropped.
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Might not get offered a contract by anyone. You could tell by the awkward laughing that he was very unsettled by Robinson’s approach.
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Long term I wanna see this guy replaced by Pickett or Stack, and I'm happy for Short to make way for the other.
Balta on the wing.
Stack won’t make it back in time...
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Long term I wanna see this guy replaced by Pickett or Stack, and I'm happy for Short to make way for the other.
Balta on the wing.
Stack won’t make it back in time...
Back in time for what?
I did say long term, not the prelim although it would make my day
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Bombers apparently interested in Ellis.
Brandon Ellis (Richmond)
The restricted free agent has cemented his spot in the in-form Tigers' senior side and may well play in a second premiership in three years in the coming weeks. But the dashing defender is highly unlikely to remain at Punt Road, given the money he will command elsewhere compared to at Richmond. The Suns lead the race for Ellis' services, but Essendon is the strongest contender if he stays in Victoria after Carlton suddenly went cold on him on finals eve.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-08/on-the-trade-table-the-players-who-may-look-for-a-fresh-start-in-october
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Are they so blind? He's playing like a teenager, and I don't mean the Jack Graham type either...
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Bombers apparently interested in Ellis.
Brandon Ellis (Richmond)
The restricted free agent has cemented his spot in the in-form Tigers' senior side and may well play in a second premiership in three years in the coming weeks. But the dashing defender is highly unlikely to remain at Punt Road, given the money he will command elsewhere compared to at Richmond. The Suns lead the race for Ellis' services, but Essendon is the strongest contender if he stays in Victoria after Carlton suddenly went cold on him on finals eve.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-08/on-the-trade-table-the-players-who-may-look-for-a-fresh-start-in-october
Oh well let's see if he ends up at Tullamarine.
Exactly what they don't need but they keep pinching people off us so it can't come as a surprise.
What's Peter Burge doing....
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Im not as harsh on Ellis as some but he did not play well on the weekend. Was pushed around like a first year teenager.
He's in trouble to keep his spot.
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He is by far our weakest link.
I reckon if Stack can get himself right, Bellis might be in trouble.
Has Dimma got the balls to drop him though?
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He is by far our weakest link.
I reckon if Stack can get himself right, Bellis might be in trouble.
Has Dimma got the balls to drop him though?
I’d drop Bellis for KMac. If Pickett stars this week he may also push his case forward.
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He is by far our weakest link.
I reckon if Stack can get himself right, Bellis might be in trouble.
Has Dimma got the balls to drop him though?
Well he dropped him for the finals last year, so yes Dimma has very big balls.
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He is by far our weakest link.
I reckon if Stack can get himself right, Bellis might be in trouble.
Has Dimma got the balls to drop him though?
Well he dropped him for the finals last year, so yes Dimma has very big balls.
We will see....
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I think it takes bigger balls to leave him in the side than to drop him.
He looked checked out to me. Uncompetitive, as is common.
Easy decision to drop.
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If he's going and we know this I would drop him for sure.
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I think it takes bigger balls to leave him in the side than to drop him.
He looked checked out to me. Uncompetitive, as is common.
Easy decision to drop.
So to back him in and redeem himself? well It would be ballsy to do that particularly if he doesn't redeem himself
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Has to go as does Short.Gutless to leave this bloke in the team just because hes a favorite who got dropped for finals the yr before.For me id go Ross for Short, Pickett for Ellis and id be bringing Balta into the team to play primarily as a defender.Now that would be balsy and prudent imo.
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Has to go as does Short.Gutless to leave this bloke in the team just because hes a favorite who got dropped for finals the yr before.For me id go Ross for Short, Pickett for Ellis and id be bringing Balta into the team to play primarily as a defender.Now that would be balsy and prudent imo.
Depends on who we get in the prelim.
If we get WCE I think Balta makes more sense as a KPD. Against Cats, not as big of a deal IMO.
Ross hasn't been much good since returning from the ankle IMO.
Pickett on the other hand...I'd have him in over Ellis any day. Stack if fit, or KMac if not, to replace Short.
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BRANDON ELLIS
Gold Coast is entertaining a four or five-year deal to land the Richmond premiership defender. As a free agent, the Suns don’t have to give away anything at the trade table for him. Carlton has pulled out of the race after making a strong play for him earlier in the year. The Tigers are managing a tight salary cap and could secure a second-round pick as free agency compensation.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/trades-unplugged-essendons-joe-daniher-has-a-big-decision-to-make/news-story/75bad70b29a03c07f1cf009fce309c6a
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Brandon Ellis
“Now Essendon has come calling for the Richmond player. Gold Coast have verbally tabled a four or five year deal to get him there up north, we know Carlton has pulled out.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/10/latest-trade-news-daniher-ellis-jones-martin-and-frost/
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Has to go as does Short.Gutless to leave this bloke in the team just because hes a favorite who got dropped for finals the yr before.For me id go Ross for Short, Pickett for Ellis and id be bringing Balta into the team to play primarily as a defender.Now that would be balsy and prudent imo.
Depends on who we get in the prelim.
If we get WCE I think Balta makes more sense as a KPD. Against Cats, not as big of a deal IMO.
Ross hasn't been much good since returning from the ankle IMO.
Pickett on the other hand...I'd have him in over Ellis any day. Stack if fit, or KMac if not, to replace Short.
Not sure about throwing Balta to the wolf's in a preliminary we handled eagles fine last time with our back 6.
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Jon Ralph @RalphyHeraldSun
Suns are big fans of Brandon Ellis. Won’t cost them a pick, is clean, durable, kicks it well, plays in multiple positions. Aware of his shortcomings but a guy with 173 games by 26 would play a lot of games for them with outside polish.
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Suns offering close to three times that of the Tigers.
Should be in @GoldCoastSUNS colours by October
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@BFtigercast
So you're saying the Suns are offering close to $800k - $900k a season for him?
On the assumption our offer is around the $300k - $350k mark. Might even be slightly more.
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Yr suggesting that. I never assume
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan
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Maybe he means 3 times as much total?
Like if we offered him $1million over 3 and GCS offered $3million over 5.
No way in hell any club would offer him 800-900/year...
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Based on his age games played 1 or potentially 2 time premiership player and his wages going up we are looking at end of r1 draft pick. Pick 20 potentially in compo for Brandon.
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Suns offering close to three times that of the Tigers.
Should be in @GoldCoastSUNS colours by October
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@BFtigercast
So you're saying the Suns are offering close to $800k - $900k a season for him?
On the assumption our offer is around the $300k - $350k mark. Might even be slightly more.
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Yr suggesting that. I never assume
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan
Mike's son again proving why so many people don't rate him as a journo. Throws out "3 times as much" but when questioned deflects with arrogance
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Suns offering close to three times that of the Tigers.
Should be in @GoldCoastSUNS colours by October
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@BFtigercast
So you're saying the Suns are offering close to $800k - $900k a season for him?
On the assumption our offer is around the $300k - $350k mark. Might even be slightly more.
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Yr suggesting that. I never assume
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan
Mike's son again proving why so many people don't rate him as a journo. Throws out "3 times as much" but when questioned deflects with arrogance
If you are paying Bellis $800/$900k a year you don’t know footy.
Simple.
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Suns offering close to three times that of the Tigers.
Should be in @GoldCoastSUNS colours by October
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@BFtigercast
So you're saying the Suns are offering close to $800k - $900k a season for him?
On the assumption our offer is around the $300k - $350k mark. Might even be slightly more.
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Yr suggesting that. I never assume
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan
Mike's son again proving why so many people don't rate him as a journo. Throws out "3 times as much" but when questioned deflects with arrogance
And yet perfectly reasonable assumption. If he was on 500 with his current contract, we couldn't be offering less than 300 now.
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One of the most ludicrous things I have seen someone say.
We'd have to be offering BEllis a touch over 200k for that statement to be correct. We're offering double that.
Hand in your badge, Tony....:shh
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Hand in your badge, Tony....:shh
Why should he?
He earned that badge fair and square and still has the Kellogg’s placket to prove it.
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One of the most ludicrous things I have seen someone say.
We'd have to be offering BEllis a touch over 200k for that statement to be correct. We're offering double that.
Hand in your badge, Tony....:shh
You think we're offering Ellis $450,000/year?
I bloody well hope not.
I put him somewhere between 250-350 max given his output and our list requirements.
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400k.
Don't worry, this is the hallelujah farewell tour before his pay day. Barring the extraordinary, there's only 2 more weeks of Brave Brando.
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400k.
Don't worry, this is the hallelujah farewell tour before his pay day. Barring the extraordinary, there's only 2 more weeks of Brave Brando.
After last week he may have played his last game....
What will you do when you don’t have to stick up for this little 💩?
Who is your next fav?
To be honest I respect your commitment the Brave Brando
:cheers
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I don't know who I'm gonna turn into a fearless premiership hero next yet BT. Maybe Menadue can be saved but The Machine has dibs on him.
FWIW I reckon he'll stay in the side and have one of his good games in the prelim....:shh Either that or he'll be dropped and can mentor the likes of Grimes and Flossy on how to stay composed in tough situations. Brave Mentor Brando has a good ring to it.
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I don't know who I'm gonna turn into a fearless premiership hero next yet BT. Maybe Menadue can be saved but The Machine has dibs on him.
FWIW I reckon he'll stay in the side and have one of his good games in the prelim....:shh Either that or he'll be dropped and can mentor the likes of Grimes and Flossy on how to stay composed in tough situations. Brave Mentor Brando has a good ring to it.
Please don’t choose Menadue as it might be a short friendship.
Pick one of our young stars that really have a go.
I’m willing to share my man Baker if you want?
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PREMIERSHIP TIGER’S TIME AT PUNT ROAD ALMOST UP
Brandon Ellis is still very much a part of Richmond’s premiership quest for 2019.
But the 26-year-old defender is destined to join the Gold Coast Suns on a mega-deal, says Sam Landsberger.
“You can just about take this one to the bank,” Landsberger told AFL Tonight.
“I think he’ll sign that five-year contract and head up to the Gold Coast Suns.
“It’s a great get for the Suns. He might be a dual premiership player by then.
“He’s a free hit, they get him for nothing as a free agent.”
https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-trade-whispers-willie-rioli-ban-tim-kelly-trade-jack-petruccelle-darcy-cameron-wants-to-go-to-collingwood-brandon-ellis-to-gold-coast-suns/news-story/739796c8f8d1569374af4775f2d77525?__twitter_impression=true
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If that's true then hello first round compo :yep.
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Thank your mother for the rabbits
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DONS REGISTER INTEREST IN PREMIERSHIP TIGER
Another club has entered the race for Richmond premiership wingman Brandon Ellis.
Carlton had pursued Ellis fiercely for most of the season before losing interest lately.
Gold Coast has been linked to him for a long time and have reportedly tabled the longest offer.
But now the Herald Sun has reported Essendon is now in the hunt to acquire the star Tiger.
It is understood the Suns have put a four-year offer in front of Ellis, but the Victorian would prefer to remain in Melbourne if a club can come close to matching that deal.
Ellis has played 21 games for Damien Hardwick’s side in 2019.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-brandon-ellis-essendon-sam-frost-afl-draft-order/news-story/2d00001516759f49c0e080681064353b
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"It is understood the Suns have put a four-year offer in front of Ellis, but the Victorian would prefer to remain in Melbourne if a club can come close to matching that deal."
Exactly right. Can't believe it's taken someone this long to report accurately on his mindset
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"It is understood the Suns have put a four-year offer in front of Ellis, but the Victorian would prefer to remain in Melbourne if a club can come close to matching that deal."
Exactly right. Can't believe it's taken someone this long to report accurately on his mindset
But he wont' take a pay cut to stay at Richmond right?
So it's about the money then :huh
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"It is understood the Suns have put a four-year offer in front of Ellis, but the Victorian would prefer to remain in Melbourne if a club can come close to matching that deal."
Exactly right. Can't believe it's taken someone this long to report accurately on his mindset
But he wont' take a pay cut to stay at Richmond right?
So it's about the money then :huh
I dislike Bellis more than most but even I don’t begrudge the kid a chance to earn more money, as by the sound of it the offers are miles apart.
We simply don’t rate him highly enough to offer him what others like the CG can.
It’s a win for us both ways if you look at it- get rid of Ellis and get a decent pick in return.
One clubs trash is another clubs treasure apparently. :lol :lol
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It's a job in a lot of ways to them, not for us.
They want the money and I don't blame them.
if anyone offered me a 50% raise to move to a new organisation I'd be gone in a heartbeat!
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"It is understood the Suns have put a four-year offer in front of Ellis, but the Victorian would prefer to remain in Melbourne if a club can come close to matching that deal."
Exactly right. Can't believe it's taken someone this long to report accurately on his mindset
But he wont' take a pay cut to stay at Richmond right?
So it's about the money then :huh
He wants to stay here, WP. But he'd be a lunatic not to take GC's offer.
He's got his future tot think about and this next contract sets him up for life after footy. If you could get 2.5 mil over 4 years or 1.2mil over 3, what would you choose?
If the offers were close then he'd stay here, but right now it's pretty damn hard for him to ignore what other clubs are offering.
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If those ^^ figures are correct, just shows what rubbish Tony Sheehan was talking.
I know we're not offering him anywhere near as much, but he's suggesting we're offering BEllis 200k.
:wallywink
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yep :shh
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I couldn’t and wouldn’t blame him
We are in a position where players are going to have to take unders if they
Want to play in premierships
Always a premiership tiger legend to me as all
others on that day are 🐅🏆
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Essendon is only in the market for Ellis because they don't have a first round pick. A free agent is all they can chase as they have no picks of any decent value to offer in the trade market.
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Ellis out, compo pick in and r1 2020 Pickett plays the Ellis role.
Won't be the end of the world if he goes :shh
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Can Picket run 16 kms per match?
Would be lucky if he can run 12kms.
Wingers need big tanks with our game plan and Picket doesn't have one.
In the last two VFL finals Picket has only put in one very good quarter.
Ellis allows more midfield rotations for our key players as he doesn't require the rest that those players need, Picket will not.
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Might have a big tank but I’d prefer him to get to less contests. Glass witches hats display more courage and defensive pressure than Ellis!
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Can Picket run 16 kms per match?
Would be lucky if he can run 12kms.
Wingers need big tanks with our game plan and Picket doesn't have one.
In the last two VFL finals Picket has only put in one very good quarter.
Ellis allows more midfield rotations for our key players as he doesn't require the rest that those players need, Picket will not.
ellis was garbage against the lions, that is 100% true, but i was at the vfl and saw nothing in pickett that he gets a call up this late in the season.
would accept mcintosh to replace ellis for reasons given above re: tank, but not pickett yet for me
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Can Picket run 16 kms per match?
Would be lucky if he can run 12kms.
Wingers need big tanks with our game plan and Picket doesn't have one.
In the last two VFL finals Picket has only put in one very good quarter.
Ellis allows more midfield rotations for our key players as he doesn't require the rest that those players need, Picket will not.
ellis was garbage against the lions, that is 100% true, but i was at the vfl and saw nothing in pickett that he gets a call up this late in the season.
would accept mcintosh to replace ellis for reasons given above re: tank, but not pickett yet for me
Ross another option.
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Can Picket run 16 kms per match?
Would be lucky if he can run 12kms.
Wingers need big tanks with our game plan and Picket doesn't have one.
In the last two VFL finals Picket has only put in one very good quarter.
Ellis allows more midfield rotations for our key players as he doesn't require the rest that those players need, Picket will not.
ellis was garbage against the lions, that is 100% true, but i was at the vfl and saw nothing in pickett that he gets a call up this late in the season.
would accept mcintosh to replace ellis for reasons given above re: tank, but not pickett yet for me
Ross another option.
Not the same role though. I wouldn't want Ross playing wing. Not fit enough, fast enough, or clean enough. He's an extractor and needs to be looking at 2020 from what I've seen post-injury.
KMac to replace Ellis if tank is the biggest concern. Not my biggest concern though, given that Ellis' tank still doesn't mean he can contest anything bar a wet paper bag...
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BRANDON ELLIS (RICH)
Gold Coast loves his precision disposal and touch of class and is prepared to forgive the occasional lack of robustness in the contest. Would offer five years given he’s already played 174 games and has only just turned 26. Does a five-year deal on big dollars give Richmond any chance of a first-round compo pick, which would eventually fall at around pick 20?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/sydney/trades-unplugged-latest-news-whispers-on-tom-papley-josh-jenkins-sam-powellpepper-and-more/news-story/8ae4b1b4eb8695c33f45ac412f61a21f
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LMAO
OCCASIONAL LACK OF ROBUSTNESS
What a pee-er!
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Can Picket run 16 kms per match?
Would be lucky if he can run 12kms.
Wingers need big tanks with our game plan and Picket doesn't have one.
In the last two VFL finals Picket has only put in one very good quarter.
Ellis allows more midfield rotations for our key players as he doesn't require the rest that those players need, Picket will not.
ellis was garbage against the lions, that is 100% true, but i was at the vfl and saw nothing in pickett that he gets a call up this late in the season.
would accept mcintosh to replace ellis for reasons given above re: tank, but not pickett yet for me
Houli was garbage too should we replace him too.
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Can Picket run 16 kms per match?
Would be lucky if he can run 12kms.
Wingers need big tanks with our game plan and Picket doesn't have one.
In the last two VFL finals Picket has only put in one very good quarter.
Ellis allows more midfield rotations for our key players as he doesn't require the rest that those players need, Picket will not.
ellis was garbage against the lions, that is 100% true, but i was at the vfl and saw nothing in pickett that he gets a call up this late in the season.
would accept mcintosh to replace ellis for reasons given above re: tank, but not pickett yet for me
Houli was garbage too should we replace him too.
Yes
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;D
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Trade talk: Could Tigers snare first-round pick?
Sam Edmund, Jon Ralph, Jay Clark, Al Paton
Herald Sun
20 September 2019
Richmond wingman Brandon Ellis was linked with a move to Carlton for much of the home-and-away season, only for the Blues to baulk in the last month.
It has left the door ajar for Gold Coast Suns to make a strong play for the premiership player on a deal which could net Richmond a first-round pick as compensation in this year’s draft.
If the length of the contract on offer and finances are good enough, the Tigers could feasibly win this year’s premiership yet enter the draft with pick 18 and 19 or 19 and 20, should Gold Coast be granted a priority pick.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/sydney/trades-unplugged-latest-news-whispers-on-tom-papley-josh-jenkins-sam-powellpepper-and-more/news-story/8ae4b1b4eb8695c33f45ac412f61a21f
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19 and 20 to GWS for Essendons pick, so they have points for their Academy player?
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How do end up 3? Do we have an extra from last year?
Even 1 of those picks for this guy is a great result
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A little birdie told me Carlton went cold on Ellis after his management asked for more money after the Coniglio deal fell through. SOS then said get stuffed. :lol
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It sounds to me like the offer they made Ellis was based on the assumption that Coliglio was coming and they claimed that was all they could offer.
Coliglio stays at GWS and Ellis's management then says now you can afford to pay what he is worth, so SOS is caught out in a lie so pulls the pin on the whole deal.
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^^ Exactly. Completely understand why Ellis management requested more after Coniglio stayed.
SOS is just appallingly stubborn, to the point where he is actively hurting their chances (the Ellis situation aside).
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How do end up 3? Do we have an extra from last year?
Even 1 of those picks for this guy is a great result
It will 'only' be two. The article means we may get either pair (18 & 19) OR (19 & 20) depending on whether the Suns get a priority pick and push everyone down a spot in the draft order or not.
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19 and 20 to GWS for Essendons pick, so they have points for their Academy player?
The Giants want to move 'up' the draft order this year. They want a pick before another club bids for their Academy player so they can get another top kid as well as their academy player.
https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2019-09-20/giants-plot-move-up-the-draft-order-for-academy-jet
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If we want to trade up we need to look at St Kilda as they need more picks to get the players they are looking at. Currently only have their top 10 pick then one around 55
Or Carlton might want to split their top 10 (Adelaide's pick) pick for similar reasons
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How do end up 3? Do we have an extra from last year?
Even 1 of those picks for this guy is a great result
Trading up for picks this year will be no great advantage As picks 10-30 are seen as fairly even.
Keep picks 19 & 20 and pick up two very good players .
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Playing like Geelong on alternate weeks over the last month...let's hope, nay pray, he breaks the sequence next Saturday... :shh
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I must be peeed as I reckon he played ok tonight.
I’ll probably change my mind tomorrow when I watch the reply but good on him for now....
Either way I would still replace him with my man Stack next week but that’s just me.
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Your not wrong BT.
The first half when we were absolutely hopeless he was actually one of our most composed.
Made a couple of mistakes like everyone else but most importantly he was not afraid to tackle and take Geelong on when most of his teammates were still sleeping. Was solid all night.
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Brandon Ellis – 7
Another busy game on the wing with 18 disposals at 83 per cent efficiency. Covered plenty of ground and had a hand in five score involvements.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/every-tiger-rated-from-the-preliminary-final
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Your not wrong BT.
The first half when we were absolutely hopeless he was actually one of our most composed.
Made a couple of mistakes like everyone else but most importantly he was not afraid to tackle and take Geelong on when most of his teammates were still sleeping. Was solid all night.
Spot on, hope he can pull another like that next week
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He started off well and maintained that effort throughout the game. Deserves credit for his game.
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Good BEllis turned up last night
And in the 1st half have to say thank God for that
He was very good last night
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Your not wrong BT.
The first half when we were absolutely hopeless he was actually one of our most composed.
Made a couple of mistakes like everyone else but most importantly he was not afraid to tackle and take Geelong on when most of his teammates were still sleeping. Was solid all night.
Spot on, hope he can pull another like that next week
His form line suggest he won't... :shh
Surely a last shot at another flag will be motivation enough... :shh :shh
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Was surprised, did a couple of physical things. Houli and Ellis stood up earlier Thai goodness
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Was surprised, did a couple of physical things. Houli and Ellis stood up earlier Thai goodness
Like a good green curry?
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Was surprised, did a couple of physical things. Houli and Ellis stood up earlier Thai goodness
Like a good green curry?
I was thinking Thai massage.
:snidegrin
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GF time.
We'll get little Brandon Ellis or Big Brave Brando BEllis. I'll take the latter pls....:shh
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Off the the Gold Coast according to Sam Edmund.
Let’s hope he gets up for us on Saturday in his last game for the Tiges.
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Funny if they dropped him.
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Very strange to announce this Grand Final week!
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Very strange to announce this Grand Final week!
It hasn't been announced
A journo is saying it, not the player or his manager
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Ellis to quit Tigers after Grand Final
Sam Edmund,
Herald Sun
September 24, 2019
Brandon Ellis could leave Richmond as a dual premiership player, with the wingman agreeing to join Gold Coast.
Ellis, a restricted free agent at season’s end, had attracted interest from a handful of Melbourne-based clubs, but has settled on the Suns.
It’s understood the deal is for five years at about $600,000 a season — a contract thought to be just under the threshold that would deliver the Tigers a first-round compensation pick.
There is a slim chance Ellis could stay at Punt Road, given free agency rules allow Richmond to match any rival offer.
But, barring any unforeseen list changes, that is considered extremely unlikely as Ellis seeks greater financial security.
Ellis, 26, has played 175 games in eight years at Richmond, but Saturday’s Grand Final will almost certainly be his last after he met with Suns officials during the year.
Carlton had courted the gut-runner for much of the season before suddenly withdrawing its interest, while St Kilda and Essendon had also made inquiries.
Ellis remained coy on his future on Monday.
“As I said at the start of the year, I’m just going to put it on hold until after the season’s done and after hopefully being lucky enough to play in a Grand Final,” Ellis said.
“The club’s been awesome and they’ve supported me through everything that has sort of being thrown at me this year
“I will hopefully have something sorted in the next couple of weeks.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/free-agent-brandon-ellis-to-walk-out-on-richmond-for-gold-coast-after-grand-final/news-story/e3f94f40f3e6bd646c49ff226491be33
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under the threshold?
what a load of poo
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AFL will undercut us as usual - has it's media $hills underselling it.... :shh
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$3milliom contract surely that's end of first round...
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$3milliom contract surely that's end of first round...
Factor in his BnF performances and salary per year and it probably fits into the end of first round bracket.
Which, if we're all being honest, is probably fair if not good value for Ellis.
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Ellis played a straight bat and refused to confirm or deny anything on the news tonight:
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1176418496479023106
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$3milliom contract surely that's end of first round...
Factor in his BnF performances and salary per year and it probably fits into the end of first round bracket.
Which, if we're all being honest, is probably fair if not good value for Ellis.
Agree, however the AFL administration does not judge objectively, they use objectives to judge.
No doubt that the compensation measures are applied with the equalisation strategy in mind.
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$3milliom contract surely that's end of first round...
Factor in his BnF performances and salary per year and it probably fits into the end of first round bracket.
Which, if we're all being honest, is probably fair if not good value for Ellis.
Agree, however the AFL administration does not judge objectively, they use objectives to judge.
No doubt that the compensation measures are applied with the equalisation strategy in mind.
110%. It is farcical how non-transparent the compensation formula is.
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Grand Final star's awkward $3m contract situation
By Anna Harrington
wwos.NINE.com.au
25 September 2019
Amid speculation on his future at Punt Road, Richmond winger Brandon Ellis says he's hungrier than ever to win a second AFL premiership with the Tigers.
The winger, who is a free agent at season's end, has been heavily linked with a $3 million move to Gold Coast, but said he'd put thoughts of his future aside to focus on his football.
"The club has been fantastic - they've supported me throughout this whole process," Ellis told AAP.
"Obviously it's a pretty tricky one, free agency, for the club and for the player.
"So at the start of the year, I just told my manager, 'I just want to focus on footy, try and win another flag and then I'll sort out everything after that.'
"So I guess in a few weeks' time I'll know my future, but I love this footy club and I love the boys and I love Dimma (coach Damien Hardwick)."
Ellis was a member of Richmond's 2017 premiership team and two years on from his first taste of glory said he was "hungrier than ever" for another shot at the pinnacle.
"I said after we won the flag in 2017 'I don't care if we win another game for the rest of my career' - I was just so happy because my childhood dream's come true," Ellis said.
"But how good that felt, how amazing it was - we're just so hungry to achieve that again and to get that feeling again.
"There's just no better feeling in the world. So we're hungry and hungrier than ever, so I guess that's what's holding us in good stead."
A popular figure at Richmond, Ellis was in and out of the side last year and overlooked for round one this season, before fighting his way back into the team.
Amid a mid-season injury crisis, the 26-year-old stepped up to have one of his best seasons at Punt Road, and now has the chance to claim a second premiership medal.
"I'm loving it and just forever grateful to be part of this club and this side and it's probably been my favourite year to date," Ellis said.
"Just after all the controversy that happened with all the injuries and losing games and people just writing us off - it just makes you even more hungry to prove everyone wrong and we've sort of done that so far.
"But I really want to hold that cup up again on Saturday."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/ellis-eyes-second-flag-amid-cloudy-future/3aaca349-6705-46f2-a613-dbf81aa4e92a
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Ellis is in our top 10 paid players under his current contract. Something very dodgy going on if we don't receive a late first rounder in return as compo after Ellis has been offered $3m over 5 years by Gold Coast (which surely will put him in the Suns' top 10 paid).
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“From the top to the bottom”: Tiger’s link to Gold Coast raises eyebrows
By SEN
25 September 2019
Garry Lyon is surprised that Richmond wingman Brandon Ellis is considering a move to wooden spooners Gold Coast.
Various reports have indicated Ellis will confirm his exit from Punt Road after Saturday’s Grand Final and join the Suns as a restricted free agent on a bumper five-year deal worth up to $3 million.
With Ellis set to participate in his second Grand Final in three years, Lyon thinks a switch to Gold Coast would be a sideways move.
“Hasn’t that one slipped under the guard? I know it’s been in the public, but let’s put this in perspective,” the Melbourne great told SEN Breakfast.
“Here is a young man about to potentially play in his second premiership for the mighty Richmond Football Club, who is going to leave them and go to Gold Coast.
“He’s going to the bottom feeder – he’s going from the top to the bottom. Come and see me at Round 13 next year when the Tigers are flying and he’s playing on a wing (at Gold Coast).
“I think it’s a sign of where things are going but it’s just almost fait accompli.”
Ellis, 26, is averaging 21.5 disposals per game and has missed just two games in a consistent campaign.
The off-contract Tiger will look to win his second premiership in the yellow and black against GWS this weekend.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/25/from-the-top-to-the-bottom-tigers-link-to-gold-coast-raises-eyebrows/
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Brandon Ellis – 4
A few nerves early for the wingman but he eventually settled. Missed everything with a difficult set shot from the right forward pocket and finished with 11 disposals. Where will he play next year?
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-28/player-ratings-richmond
BRANDON ELLIS 6
Didn’t get plenty of it in what is likely to be his last game as a Tiger, but showed pace and proved reliable despite a couple of turnovers.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/afl-grand-final-player-ratings-dustin-martin-and-bachar-houli-shine-toby-green-phil-davis-flop/news-story/3b13f40fe020027c0e71ae275f356ff2
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Played like he was already at the Gold Coast!
Won’t be disappointed in seeing the back of this guy at all, Stack, Naish and Eggy ready to step into his shoes, good riddance Brando!
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Played like he was already at the Gold Coast!
Won’t be disappointed in seeing the back of this guy at all, Stack, Naish and Eggy ready to step into his shoes, good riddance Brando!
Cmon mate, just won the flag. Don’t need to be getting stuck into players already.
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Played like he was already at the Gold Coast!
Won’t be disappointed in seeing the back of this guy at all, Stack, Naish and Eggy ready to step into his shoes, good riddance Brando!
Cmon mate, just won the flag. Don’t need to be getting stuck into players already.
Happy to pot those who A. Didn’t contribute to the win and B. Won’t be at the club next year.
Two time premiership player or not Brandi is dead to me now, just like Lids :rollin
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Won it with him in 2017
Lost without him in 2018
Win it yesterday with him
The Difference - Brave Brando. What a great game he played, sacrificing himself for the team :shh
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He was good and did his job for us. Will always be a 2 time premiership tigers man with lifetime membership and good luck to him in future.
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He was good and did his job for us. Will always be a 2 time premiership tigers man with lifetime membership and good luck to him in future.
Well said :clapping
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He was good and did his job for us. Will always be a 2 time premiership tigers man with lifetime membership and good luck to him in future.
Well said :clapping
Yep.
Thought he was good yesterday.
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We won by 15 stuffing goals...no-one was bad.... :shh
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Formerly announced he was leaving at the family day.
Thanks Brandon.
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Good luck to him, dual Richmond premiership player.
Love ya always good luck
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Formerly announced he was leaving at the family day.
Thanks Brandon.
Done it the right way. Gutsy to do it today. I applaud him for it. He is a 2 time premiership player. Respect.
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He was good and did his job for us. Will always be a 2 time premiership tigers man with lifetime membership and good luck to him in future.
Well said :clapping
Yep.
Thought he was good yesterday.
Sure was.
Good luck Brandon and thanks for your service :clapping
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Two time premiership player deserves much respect.
He's going to experience tough times on the GC although the coin is pretty good.
We should be able to find an adequate replacement already on our list.
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Well done to Ellis, a double premiership hero who loved the club and worked his backside off for us.
If Ellis is going to GC on a massive 5 year contract, and was as reported on $550k at Richmond, and being a first round draft pick himself, then shouldn't we get a 1st round draft pick for him?
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The Tigers won’t secure a first-round compensation selection for Ellis when leaves for the Suns on a five-year, $600,000 deal.
His salary would need to be over $700,000 per season to hand the Tigers that selection, but Richmond will find out soon whether it has secured an end-of-first-round or second-round compensation pick.
Source: Herald-Sun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-hopeful-of-more-premierships-with-talentladen-list/news-story/86227db2e7db691a6f80d69be1354517)
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Motlop got cats a end of first round pick laughable.
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Motlop got cats a end of first round pick laughable.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-trades-steven-motlop-set-for-port-adelaide-move-as-geelong-opts-not-to-match-free-agency-bid/news-story/f16a5fac5313dbe18376bdbf822fad60
stuffin cheats they are
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Good luck to him. Thank-you for your part in getting us two premierships.
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The Tigers won’t secure a first-round compensation selection for Ellis when leaves for the Suns on a five-year, $600,000 deal.
His salary would need to be over $700,000 per season to hand the Tigers that selection, but Richmond will find out soon whether it has secured an end-of-first-round or second-round compensation pick.
Source: Herald-Sun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-hopeful-of-more-premierships-with-talentladen-list/news-story/86227db2e7db691a6f80d69be1354517)
Happy with end of 1st. That's a bargain IMO. Take it and run.
Thanks Brandon for your contribution. To be honest I thought he looked a gun for his first years after we recruited him, but for the last 2-3 years he has consistently frustrated me with his fluctuating level of courage & willingness to contest for the hard ball.
I thought his game vs GWS was largely poor, especially on a day where we were giving another side a fair dinkum fisting.
All the best @ GCS and I will be glad to never seen you in a Tigers jumper again. There's a handful of blokes who missed out that I would rather have - Stack, Graham, Balta, Chol, Macintosh, Ross etc. Plenty of talent to fill this little void.
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Suns' list manager Craig Cameron on Brandon Ellis: "We'll let him get through everything he's got to do with the Tigers. But once he's done that and ticked those boxes, we can move fairly quickly forward with that"
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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"I believe Brandon Ellis will today announce his intentions to join the Suns" - Damian Barrett
"He's had a good season, he's a two time premiership player and now he can give himself longevity" - Matthew Lloyd
BREAKING | Free agent Brandon Ellis to request Gold Coast move today, per @barrettdamian
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF03szCU4AA1rMk?format=png&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/traderadio?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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A win-win situation. Ellis leaves with two premiership medallions and everyone's blessing to secure his future now and post-footy while we have ready-made replacements for his position on-field and we 'should' also get an end of first round compo pick.
All the best wishes, Brandon.
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make suns trade for him if we dont get that first round.
facts are he is a 2 time player that they need, and if the likes of motlop is getting a first round then i cant see why we cant get one.
vickery got us pick 29. Understood we finished lower but his contract was a third of his and ellis is a better player than him.
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The official announcement.
Two-time flag Tiger set to leave as free agent, huge Suns deal looms
AFL.com.au
Sarah Black and Mitch Cleary
Oct 2, 2019 1:54PM
TWO-TIME premiership midfielder Brandon Ellis has officially informed Richmond of his wish to explore his options as a free agent.
Ellis, 26, is a restricted free agent and is expected to join Gold Coast on a five-year deal worth more than $550,000 a season.
His Richmond teammates entered Saturday's Grand Final knowing it was Ellis' final game in yellow and black.
"Brandon has been an outstanding contributor to our team and our Club for a long period of time, and we respect his rights as a Free Agent," Richmond list manager Blair Hartley said.
"Brandon and the Club have been in constant communication throughout the season, and we would like to acknowledge the way he has conducted himself throughout the year.
"As always, Brandon has put the team first, and he is now a dual premiership player for Richmond. The club will work through the process with Brandon and his management when the Free Agency period begins on Friday."
Ellis has played 176 games for the Tigers since being selected with pick 15 in the 2011 NAB AFL Draft.
He played 23 of 25 matches this year, having reinvented himself as a winger after years as a half-back flanker, and averaged 21 disposals.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-02/twotime-flag-tiger-set-to-leave-as-free-agent-huge-suns-deal-looms
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make suns trade for him if we dont get that first round.
facts are he is a 2 time player that they need, and if the likes of motlop is getting a first round then i cant see why we cant get one.
vickery got us pick 29. Understood we finished lower but his contract was a third of his and ellis is a better player than him.
Absolutely not. If we offer him the same as GC then he would stay with us, plain and simple. But we can't justify offering him decent coin when there are better players now on our list getting paid unders.
This is actually one of the few instances in which FA is working as its intended. A weaker club that has cap space is able to prize away a player from a stronger club with the incentive of more $$.
Judging from previous deals, we should be given an end of first round. But I'd say the AFL are filthy on us for Lynch last year, so I doubt it happens.
(Motlop got a end of first round for a 4 year, 500k deal 2 years ago. A five year 600k deal demands the same compensation at the very least, but we shall see....)
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The Tigers will not receive a first-round compensation pick for Ellis, but could get a second-round pick or even an end-of-first round selection soon after that first pick.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/trade-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-wednesday-october-2-2019/live-coverage/66eb52f4a8647848ac93f90ce6a7a05f
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The Tigers will not receive a first-round compensation pick for Ellis, but could get a second-round pick or even an end-of-first round selection soon after that first pick.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/trade-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-wednesday-october-2-2019/live-coverage/66eb52f4a8647848ac93f90ce6a7a05f
Correct me if I'm wrong but as our first pick is the last pick of the first round, wouldn't it not make any difference if it is 1st round or end of first round?
(As opposed to if we finished last and had the first pick, where there would be a significant difference between first round and end of first round)
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Has to be end of first round 2 time flag player on a big contract a they trying to screw us.
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Mitch Cleary on SEN just now reckons we'll get an end of first round pick because Ellis being a restricted free agent is/was in the top 10 (top 25%) of money earners at Richmond and is only moving to a significant 5-year $600k contract at the Suns because he won't get that kind of money if he stays at Richmond.
Cleary added that Richmond would know what they are likely to get as compo so are happy to let Ellis. A good deal for both parties. The premiers will have two picks (he said 18 & 19) in the top 20.
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After GC's extra pick and academy bidding both picks will be mid 20's... :shh
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The Tigers will not receive a first-round compensation pick for Ellis, but could get a second-round pick or even an end-of-first round selection soon after that first pick.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/trade-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-wednesday-october-2-2019/live-coverage/66eb52f4a8647848ac93f90ce6a7a05f
Correct me if I'm wrong but as our first pick is the last pick of the first round, wouldn't it not make any difference if it is 1st round or end of first round?
(As opposed to if we finished last and had the first pick, where there would be a significant difference between first round and end of first round)
There's varying degrees for first round compo. It can be at the start of the draft, mid-range (didn't Geelong get a mid-range compo pick for Ablett?) or it can be straight after your actual first pick.
The only difference for us between a straight first rounder right after our first pick compared to an end of first rounder is if another club is also awarded an end of first round pick. Theirs would then be before our end of first rounder if that makes sense.
If we got a straight first rounder:
Richmond 19
Richmond 20 (compo)
Then comes any end of first rounders to other clubs.
Followed by second round.
If we got an end of first rounder:
Richmond 19
Then comes any end of first rounders to other clubs.
Our end of first round pick compo follows.
Followed by second round.
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Ah yes, I forgot to factor in EoFR compensation to other clubs.
Thanks MT :thumbsup
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The article in the Age last week about why Ellis is happy to go to the Suns.
Why the grand final will be Brandon Ellis' last game as a Tiger
Michael Gleeson
The Age
September 28, 2019
Brandon Ellis is the face of the price, and joy, of success.
Saturday will be the premiership Tiger’s last game as a Richmond player. He will join Gold Coast as a free agent within weeks.
The reason he will do so is as simple as it is complex. In simple terms, Ellis will go because he will receive more money on a long-term deal.
Ellis is in the top 10 best-paid players at Richmond this year earning about $550,000 and Richmond, try as they might, cannot afford, nor justify, paying him that much next year given the stresses of the salary cap and other players they need to play.
Gold Coast will next year and for the next five years keep paying him the salary he has been earning this year at Richmond. The reason they can afford to do so is because they have salary-cap room but also because he is more valuable to the Suns next year than he will be to Richmond.
For the Suns he brings so much more than outside pace. He also delivers experience and talent, he is an elite trainer and a person of good character who, importantly, wants to be there.
If he stayed at Richmond his pay could have been cut and he would not have had the security of a five-year deal.
Richmond also have to continue to evolve their list and so need to start bringing on players such as Marlion Pickett, Patrick Naish, Sydney Stack and Riley Collier-Dawkins, which means something has to give.
The Suns' problem is not older players getting in the way of emerging talent, it is not having enough good older players (Ellis is only 26 but all things are relative) to help bring on the emerging talent.
The conversations between his manager Marty Pask and Richmond’s list manager Blair Hartley and the Suns’ Craig Cameron have been understanding because both Cameron – who used to be at Richmond – and Hartley know Ellis’ story, why he is a loved figure and why the move makes sense.
Carlton had been interested, and given he grew up in North Carlton there was a synergy there, but the Blues' interest waned when they chased hard for Stephen Coniglio. They resumed their chase for Ellis once Coniglio re-signed but Ellis felt jilted by then.
In the end one of the most decisive points about the Ellis departure is that the thing that made Richmond fall in love with him is the same thing that will make him leave.
The Tigers love his earthiness, his passion and his honesty as much as his pace and run. They love his openness and his family commitment. But they can’t give him what he needs now and what has driven him since he was 16. Ellis wants to succeed as a footballer so he can care for his family.
He wants a good long-term contract so he can help give his family the financial independence and stability they never had when he was growing up.
The story of how Ellis came to be a Tiger, the story that he delivered in front of the players in the 2017 pre-season, was a moment of unvarnished honesty that provided one of the foundations on which this new tight Richmond group was built.
This group reformed itself around a modern coaching ethos of care, of vulnerability and of story telling. It is an approach that reasons that revealing something of yourself only makes you and the group stronger.
It asks a group of ostensibly alpha males to act in an un-alpha way and in so doing become something more rounded and better than they were.
Ellis, as described in Konrad Marshall’s book Yellow and Black, stood in front of the Richmond players at a 2017 pre-season camp on the Sunshine Coast and spoke of the day his dad was diagnosed with throat cancer. Dale Ellis had previously survived kidney cancer but a tumour had been found in his throat.
Brandon Ellis was in year 10 at the time. He immediately quit playing footy and stopped going to school so he could just be around his dad. Football was irrelevant.
The family lived in a small first-floor housing commission flat in North Carlton. His dad had worked at a chocolate factory before his illness and his mum cared for the family of five. They had always struggled financially.
Dale ordered Brandon back to footy, telling him not to waste his talent and to make it as a player for him. Brandon returned to the game with a redoubled determination. By year’s end he made not only the Vic Metro side but the All-Australian team. Richmond chose him in the first round.
“When I got drafted, I promised them [my parents] as soon as I got some money I would start looking after them,” Ellis said in the address which was recorded and re-told in Yellow and Black.
“I got my family out of the flats a few years ago. I got them a rental property in Moonee Ponds near me, and pay half their rent. It’s the first time my mum and dad and brother and sister have had a backyard in their life. They can’t get the smile off their faces.”
Six month after that first diagnosis and after high-dose aggressive chemotherapy, the lump in Dale’s throat was gone. He survived the cancer – again – against doctors’ expectations.
“They said it was a miracle. He’s taught me to never give up, always work my arse off. Nothing has ever motivated me more. I play AFL for my dad.”
So when the question is asked why Brandon Ellis would leave Richmond and go to the Suns? That is why.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-the-grand-final-will-be-brandon-ellis-last-game-as-a-tiger-20190927-p52vhb.html
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What Tigers might receive for departing Ellis
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
October 3, 2019
Richmond will know as soon as Friday afternoon whether they can reap an end-of-first-round trade bonanza from departing free agent Brandon Ellis.
The 26-year-old dual Richmond premiership player will depart for the Gold Coast on a five-year deal worth $3 million.
On Wednesday Richmond announced that Ellis would explore his free agency rights, with the Tigers certain to decline to match the Suns’ deal.
That deal will be lodged at the start of free agency as soon as Friday morning, with the league to reveal the free agency compensation available to the Tigers soon after they allow him passage to the Suns.
The scope of the $3 million deal, revealed by the Herald Sun, is not enough for a first-round compensation selection given it does not hit $750,000 a season.
But given Richmond are the premiers and have the No.18 draft pick, an end-of-first-round selection is effectively the same pick — No. 19.
Two years ago Geelong secured an end-of-first-round pick for Steven Motlop on a four-year deal of just over $2 million.
Ellis finished outside the top 11 in Richmond’s best-and-fairest on Tuesday night but those results don’t factor into any compensation.
Ellis is determined to shore up his financial future and continue supporting his family after growing up in a housing commission flat in North Carlton.
Richmond list manager Blair Hartley thanked Ellis after 176 games as the No. 15 selection in the 2011 national draft.
“As always, Brandon has put the team first, and he is now a dual premiership player for Richmond,” he said.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/tigers-will-receive-free-agency-compensation-for-gold-coastbound-brandon-ellis/news-story/a9b0863c423f67373a47461ace61debb
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Tigers could enter 2019 draft with two top 20 picks
By SEN
3 Oct 2019
Richmond look set to receive a first-round compensation pick for the departing Brandon Ellis according to Mitch Cleary.
The dual premiership Tiger yesterday announced his intention to leave the premiers for the Gold Coast Suns after being tabled an offer as a free agent.
Cleary believes the Tigers are likely to be rewarded a similar pick to that of what Geelong received for Steven Motlop and what Brisbane received for Tom Rockliff.
“In line with what Steven Motlop and Tom Rockliff both went on when they joined the Power, their respective clubs got end of first round picks,” Cleary said on Telstra AFL Trade Radio.
“In line with those, Brandon Ellis should be worth a first-round pick.
“If you can believe this, Richmond could enter the draft with two top 20 picks fresh off another flag. It’s hard to believe.”
Ellis' manager Marty Pask said the level of compensation for Richmond would depend on what the Tigers bring in during the free agency period after Ellis departs.
"If a player like Brandon would walk out and go as a free agent and they (Richmond) don't do anything in that free agnecy period and acquire someone else then it's definitely going to be something around the second-round, it could even sneak into the first-round," Pask said on SEN Breakfast this morning.
Ellis was drafted with Pick 15 in the 2011 AFL Draft and has played 176 games for the Tigers.
It is expected the Suns will officially make their offer when the free agency period commences tomorrow.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/10/02/tigers-could-enter-2019-draft-with-two-top-20-picks/
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Balme said losing the running defender is simply part of the new realities of list management.
“We want him to stay, he wants to stay, he loves being here. The system is set up so other clubs might be able to find players with better circumstances, like he’s got,” he said.
“So I think they have offered him something pretty significant so he’s got to consider that because in his life there’s more important things than just playing for the Tigers, he needs to set himself up and we will only support that.
“It’s not that we want him to go and not that we’re pushing him out, but if that opportunity comes and he wants to do it, we’ll maturely look at that.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/10/02/balme-anticipating-to-lose-butler-and-ellis-as-edwards-recommits/
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Barrett sooking on Trade Radio about us getting an end of first round compo pick for Ellis ::).
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Damian Barrett: Compensation picks are a rort of the free agency system in its purest form. A pure free agency system does not compensate for the club that loses the free agent.
Mitch Cleary: Brandon Ellis leaving has to add up to an end of first round compensation pick.
"If you can believe this, Richmond could enter the draft with two top-20 picks fresh off another flag."
Damian Barrett: There is no way Richmond should be given a first round pick for Brandon Ellis. This is the problem with this system.
Damian Barrett: The formula right now that needs to be applied is - Richmond has been dominant for three seasons. To lose Brandon Ellis and get a first round pick... it's everything that is wrong with free agency.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Barrett sooking on Trade Radio about us getting an end of first round compo pick for Ellis ::).
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Damian Barrett: Compensation picks are a rort of the free agency system in its purest form. A pure free agency system does not compensate for the club that loses the free agent.
Mitch Cleary: Brandon Ellis leaving has to add up to an end of first round compensation pick.
"If you can believe this, Richmond could enter the draft with two top-20 picks fresh off another flag."
Damian Barrett: There is no way Richmond should be given a first round pick for Brandon Ellis. This is the problem with this system.
Damian Barrett: The formula right now that needs to be applied is - Richmond has been dominant for three seasons. To lose Brandon Ellis and get a first round pick... it's everything that is wrong with free agency.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
I agree. Scrap compo.
But plan it for 2-3 years time so clubs have a chance to make changes in anticipation of this.
What's the bet they pull the rug so we get nothing for Brando...
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Barrett sooking on Trade Radio about us getting an end of first round compo pick for Ellis ::).
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Damian Barrett: Compensation picks are a rort of the free agency system in its purest form. A pure free agency system does not compensate for the club that loses the free agent.
Mitch Cleary: Brandon Ellis leaving has to add up to an end of first round compensation pick.
"If you can believe this, Richmond could enter the draft with two top-20 picks fresh off another flag."
Damian Barrett: There is no way Richmond should be given a first round pick for Brandon Ellis. This is the problem with this system.
Damian Barrett: The formula right now that needs to be applied is - Richmond has been dominant for three seasons. To lose Brandon Ellis and get a first round pick... it's everything that is wrong with free agency.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
I agree. Scrap compo.
But plan it for 2-3 years time so clubs have a chance to make changes in anticipation of this.
What's the bet they pull the rug so we get nothing for Brando...
Scraping it disadvantages the bottom sides like the Suns. Imagine them losing Lynch and there wasn't any compo
If the AFL was to amend the compensation rules then it should be something like the top 4 cannot get the compo
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Barrett sooking on Trade Radio about us getting an end of first round compo pick for Ellis ::).
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Damian Barrett: Compensation picks are a rort of the free agency system in its purest form. A pure free agency system does not compensate for the club that loses the free agent.
Mitch Cleary: Brandon Ellis leaving has to add up to an end of first round compensation pick.
"If you can believe this, Richmond could enter the draft with two top-20 picks fresh off another flag."
Damian Barrett: There is no way Richmond should be given a first round pick for Brandon Ellis. This is the problem with this system.
Damian Barrett: The formula right now that needs to be applied is - Richmond has been dominant for three seasons. To lose Brandon Ellis and get a first round pick... it's everything that is wrong with free agency.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
I agree. Scrap compo.
But plan it for 2-3 years time so clubs have a chance to make changes in anticipation of this.
What's the bet they pull the rug so we get nothing for Brando...
Scraping it disadvantages the bottom sides like the Suns. Imagine them losing Lynch and there wasn't any compo
If the AFL was to amend the compensation rules then it should be something like the top 4 cannot get the compo
Free agency is about players going where they want for the conditions they want.
Gaining + losing compensation restricts any club's ability to pursue free agents. For example if we get pick 20 for Ellis and bring in a FA then we will likely lose or at least downgrade that pick 20, so effectively we have to let him walk and take the pick.
It's terrible for the weaker clubs but the compensation doesn't quite mitigate that and I don't like the undisclosed formula the AFL allegedly has.
I think a great equalisation idea would be to allow weaker teams a higher TPP limit for the next year, which tapers off progressively.
For example if you finish 18th you could have an additional $1million TPP the following year, which tapers down the higher you finish up the ladder, maybe $800k for 17th, $600k for 16th, $400k for 15th or whatever.
This would allow the weaker clubs to attract established players with $$$ while they rebuild via the draft etc.
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Why the AFL’s free agency compensation system is a “rort”: Damian Barrett
By SEN
3 Oct 2019
Telstra AFL Trade Radio’s Damian Barrett has described the AFL’s free agency compensation system as a “rort”.
It comes as Richmond is tipped to receive a first-round compensation draft pick for losing dual premiership player Brandon Ellis, who decided to exercise his free agency rights.
“There is no way Richmond should be given a first-round pick for losing Brandon Ellis, and this my point, this is the problem with this system,” Barrett told Telstra AFL Trade Radio.
“There will be outrage in the AFL world if the Richmond Football Club – the two out of three years premiership-winning Richmond Football Club – is to get a first-round compensation draft pick for the loss of a player who they could not commit to a regular senior game for next season.
“That will become the biggest rort in the system if Brandon Ellis is to present Richmond Football Club with an end of first-round draft pick as part of this compensation.”
Barrett expanded on his frustration with the current compensation process when clubs lose free agents.
“From the very outset of the AFL introducing free agency to the operations, I had an issue with compensation being given to the club which lost the free agent,” he said.
“Initially because it was slowing up the entire trade process. They’ve now worked out a mechanism in which it can be dealt with separately. It still doesn’t ultimately change my view on compensation being a rort of the free agency system in its purist form.
“A pure free agency system does not compensate for the club that loses the free agent.
“This is the problem with free agency, that Richmond Football Club can bring in a a free agent Tom Lynch last year and not spent a cent to get him and win a premiership on the back of it.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/10/03/why-the-afls-free-agency-compensation-system-is-a-rort-barrett/
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So going off what some are saying, if you win a premiership it’s ok to loose your best FA players for nothing?
Finally we have a decent list after nearly 40 years and now we are just suppose to be disadvantaged because we won a premiership?? or two 🎉🎉
I dislike Bellis and I would basically give him away for nothing but the facts are he was a first round selection, played 170 odd games, won 2 premierships, and was in our top 10 highest paid players- we deserve what we deserve numbers wise and that’s an end of first round selection at a minimum if you compare it to the Motlop compo.
The rules shouldn’t change regardless of where you finish on the ladder.
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So majority of the article was him saying it’s ridiculous that a club gets compo if they lose someone to free agency. But he finishes off saying it was wrong that we got Tom lynch as a free agent and not have to give up anything :huh :huh
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Damian Bitch t@s Barrett's tears taste good.
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He has never liked Richmond, he forgot to mention it has allowed Gold Coast to improve their list at the expense of his club, who put an offer to Ellis
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So here is the wash up of free agency for Richmond and Gold Coast over 2018 and 2019
Gold Coast have received - Izak Rankine and Ellis without losing any draft picks but lost Lynch = Out Lynch for In Rankine and Ellis
Richmond - Got Lynch but lost Conca will get a pick around #20 this year (assuming we do not pick up any free agents) = Out Conca for In Lynch and pick #20ish
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Free agency is about players going where they want for the conditions they want.
Gaining + losing compensation restricts any club's ability to pursue free agents. For example if we get pick 20 for Ellis and bring in a FA then we will likely lose or at least downgrade that pick 20, so effectively we have to let him walk and take the pick.
It's terrible for the weaker clubs but the compensation doesn't quite mitigate that and I don't like the undisclosed formula the AFL allegedly has.
I think a great equalisation idea would be to allow weaker teams a higher TPP limit for the next year, which tapers off progressively.
For example if you finish 18th you could have an additional $1million TPP the following year, which tapers down the higher you finish up the ladder, maybe $800k for 17th, $600k for 16th, $400k for 15th or whatever.
This would allow the weaker clubs to attract established players with $$$ while they rebuild via the draft etc.
The mechanisms for this scenario already occurs where clubs have the opportunity to bank salary cap savings.
The key issue is the compromise after compromise in the system where the AFL have an ad hoc adjustment approach and react to every scream of anomaly from the muppets in the media.
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Barrett is still going on about the compo pick in his 'Sliding Doors' column today.
IF ... the AFL decides to give you end-of-first-round draft compensation for losing Ellis ...
THEN ... it is simply wrong. Obviously, that's not your fault nor your problem. But I'm predicting the magic 11 herbs and spices, along with the sauces and jus and vegetable stocks and borage blossoms which the AFL magically applies to every free agent compensation "formula" decision will deem that you will only get a second-round pick. And even that's too high.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-04/sliding-doors-pre-trade-period
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Geez Geez
How is he not worth a second rounder in compo? What is he advocating here. What sort of formula deems a two time premiership player at age 26, having played 170 odd games, is worth a 3rd or worst? 23 games in his most recent season + 11th in the B&F. 11th best player in a premiership year.
What is this guy smoking. Why am I even concerned with this gerbil thinks
Give us 2 first rounder for Brave Brando
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OFFICIAL: Gold Coast has officially made an offer to restricted free agent Brandon Ellis
The Tigers now have three days to decide whether to match that offer.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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The AFL should never had intoduced compo picks when tey bought in Free Agency.
Free Agency in every other sport in the world is just that Free, you get nothing when a player leaves
But they did introduce it, so it is what it is. We get compo get over it Bin Boy
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"Based on what the Suns are offering Ellis, I can't see anyway the Tigers won't get an end of first round compensation pick" - Mitch Cleary
https://twitter.com/traderadio/
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Reports getting about the compensation is end of second round pick 39!!
The whole thing is a sham :lol
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Richmond have elected not to match the offer and Brandon Ellis is now able to join the Gold Coast SUNS immediately.
Richmond to receive a Second Round compensation selection, currently selection 39.
https://twitter.com/AFL_House/status/1180350692814254080
:thumbsdown
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The AFL making things up on the run ::).
Scott Lycett
Age: 26
5 year deal
600k per year
Comp: End of 1st round
Brandon Ellis
Age: 26
5 year deal
600k per year
Comp: 2nd round [ed. More like end of 2nd round]
https://twitter.com/OldSchoolPics_/status/1180354120600866816
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Why didn't we match them and force a trade
In a crap draft we essentially got nothing for him let's be honest
That's a load of poo
Almost the Same compensation as the crows Ellis-Y hahaha
Gale should ask for a please explain to these cheats
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Why didn't we match them and force a trade
In a crap draft we essentially got nothing for him let's be honest
That's a load of poo
Almost the Same compensation as the crows Ellis-Y hahaha
Gale should ask for a please explain to these cheats
It has been mentioned a number of times in this thread.
He would never leave if we matched the offer.
We cannot offer what they are.
AFL screwed us with the compensation.
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Trade deals: Ellis a Sun, compo pick in
Herald Sun
5 Oct 2019
The AFL free agency period is officially open, with the trade window to kick off on Monday.
But the first deal of the 2019 exchange period has been completed, with Richmond’s restricted free agent Brandon Ellis officially joining the Gold Coast Suns.
But the big surprise is the compensation pick Richmond will receive, with the AFL ruling the AFL premier will receive an end-of-second round pick - currently selection 39.
As expected, the Tigers did not match the Suns’ lucrative, multi-year deal, meaning Ellis is now a Sun.
Many believed, based on recent history, that the Tigers would earn an end-of-first round pick.
“I’m very excited to be on board. I’ve been impressed by the club and its people, there’s great facilities and really looking forward to the journey on the Coast,” Ellis said.
“I’ve been really lucky to play in two flags in the last three years, so hopefully I can bring some of that knowledge up here and help out this group. There is so much talent and I think it could be exciting times ahead.”
“I played with Anthony Miles for three or four years at the Tigers, I’m good mates with him, and had a few years with Corey (Ellis) so it makes it a bit easier to break the ice having those two boys up here.
“I’ve known Secco (Alex Sexton) for a while as well, so he’s been awesome the past few days,” Ellis said.
List manager Craig Cameron said the Suns were thrilled to secure Ellis.
“Brandon has proven his ability at AFL level over the past eight seasons and we’re excited by the opportunity to add a duel premiership player to our midfield group,” Cameron said.
“In line with our strategy we’re keen to target players who will complement our young group and are committed to help drive our club forward, Brandon fits that perfectly.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/every-completed-afl-trade-and-free-agency-deal-of-the-2019-player-exchange-period/news-story/1fb8f2254d616de8b40684477dd011e3
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Absolute bare faced corruption on the back of an orchestrated media campaign led by AFL employee Barrett the Parrot... >:(
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Ellis-Yeoman compo apparently only worth 8 picks less than Ellis compo...yeah righteo...must be for the extra surname... :shh
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We must absolutely challenge this pick and take it further. Tantamount to cheating or fixing the outcome
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They should take it to court, it’ can only be cheating . The AFL are discriminating
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Dare say that if we didn't have a CEO with loftier ambitions we probably would take them to court...and the AFL know it... :shh
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Dare say that if we didn't have a CEO with loftier ambitions we probably would take them to court...and the AFL know it... :shh
Gale works for us not the AFL. His responsibility is to the Board and members. F the AFL
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-10-05/ellis-departs-richmond
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That's ok, other clubs can expect a rogering too then if the AFL wants to be seen as consistent or they are going to be under some serious scrutiny.
Not bothered, we got bigger fish to fry. We have some fresh talent coming through and have freed up some nice bucks. Everyone shat on Ellis so bitching that we got pumped for him is pretty funny.
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Absolutely effing cheated out of a 1st round pick.
Disgrace!
I hope we draft a gun with this pick and shove it up their clackers on a 3 peat the MF's.
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Just had another read and I see that "at Their discretion they can change the pick"
So that's why this won't be going anywhere
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That's ok, other clubs can expect a rogering too then if the AFL wants to be seen as consistent or they are going to be under some serious scrutiny.
Not bothered, we got bigger fish to fry. We have some fresh talent coming through and have freed up some nice bucks. Everyone shat on Ellis so bitching that we got pumped for him is pretty funny.
Nothing to do with how good Ellis is or how highly supporters rate him, it's about the complete lack of transparency, the inconsistent application of rules and the blatantly orchestrated media campaign led by an employee of the AFL... :shh
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Yeah the AFL are scum bags and make it up as they go. The fact is they are a law unto themselves. We have a bunch of salty media / interstate vested interests running a Trump style smear campaign against us and peasants are revolting so the AFL had to make a token gesture of stuffing us over with a poo pick.
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Tom Browne (I know) reckons the AFL's secret recipe also includes what the player's current club is offering and not just what the other club has on the table (also includes the player's age and where the player finished in the B&F). He said our contract offer to Ellis was "very very modest because of significant salary cap issues created by recruits like Tom Lynch". So that's possibly the reason we only got a second rounder.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1180404392157044736
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Pretty sure he was a first round pick when we picked him up, wouldn’t it be fair to get the same back.
since when did the football administration of our game become the socialist society of OUR game. Who voted for our club to being constantly disadvantaged
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Tom Browne (I know) reckons the AFL's secret recipe also includes what the player's current club is offering and not just what the other club has on the table (also includes the player's age and where the player finished in the B&F). He said our contract offer to Ellis was "very very modest because of significant salary cap issues created by recruits like Tom Lynch". So that's possibly the reason we only got a second rounder.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1180404392157044736
Yeh either that or they are a pack of lying cheating corrupt pricks
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Shoddy stuff here.
Like someone else said, let's just stick it up 'em by using 39 on another unreal recruit overlooked by everyone else.
Not like we don't have blokes lining up to have a crack on Brave Brando's wing anyway.
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Major league baseball have a transparent free agency compensation system for top tier players. Compensation is only attached to that player once in the life of their career regardless of how many times they move. Not sure in the exact figures but if they earn in the top 10% or similar their club is awarded an end of first round compo pick if another team signs them.
The AFL need to stop interfering in the non-performance of clubs and therefore manipulating the future standings / results. This is a big business for all clubs allows struggling clubs to have unfairly leapfrog other teams. I can understand allocating funding to improve / increase coaching resources and infrastructure or player retention.
Why not hold off awarding priority picks until after the trade period. They could turn things around by recruiting quality players and coaches like Brisbane and the Tigers in the not so distant past.
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Tom Browne (I know) reckons the AFL's secret recipe also includes what the player's current club is offering and not just what the other club has on the table (also includes the player's age and where the player finished in the B&F). He said our contract offer to Ellis was "very very modest because of significant salary cap issues created by recruits like Tom Lynch". So that's possibly the reason we only got a second rounder.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1180404392157044736
So that's the excuse Brown's been given by the AFL.
1) Contract offers from current clubs are irrelevant.
2) They are ambit claims. Negotiation is done on every contract.
3) Never been relevant before.
4) All free agents get bigger contracts from the receiving club to lure them
and
5) until now that is what compensation was based on.
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The thing that gets me worked up tho has the rules changed or I'm I missing something rules on the run.If they changed fair enough.Don't need to mention players for less money or same and there compensation.Pathetic worse then a chook raffle and a circus afl.Why should we be screwed cause of our success.Make no mistake this was started from a media beat up.
Only critism I have of Benny and Peggy is that we a to much yes men to the afl our club we don't challenge things like this.That response from the afl Benny put up shouldn't be the end of it.
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TBH, I am surprised we are getting anything.
I’d have thought the compensation might have gone to the Suns for taking Brando off our hands!
Best of luck Brandon, I hope the move works out well for you.
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The thing that gets me worked up tho has the rules changed or I'm I missing something rules on the run.If they changed fair enough.Don't need to mention players for less money or same and there compensation.Pathetic worse then a chook raffle and a circus afl.Why should we be screwed cause of our success.Make no mistake this was started from a media beat up.
Only critism I have of Benny and Peggy is that we a to much yes men to the afl our club we don't challenge things like this.That response from the afl Benny put up shouldn't be the end of it.
He already asked for a please explain from the AFL. What else could he do? Shouting and ranting and raving wouldn't change anything and would probably count against us in future decisions.
What they should do is tell you your compensation before you choose whether to match or not..... :shh
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Quite frankly, there should not be any compensation.
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say. At least since that bloke who reckons Menadue is our best player.
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say. At least since that bloke who reckons Menadue is our best player.
I once heard someone say you don’t look at the ball when you kick it
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say. At least since that bloke who reckons Menadue is our best player.
Who said that or are you deliberately antagonising due to grieving :shh
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say. At least since that bloke who reckons Menadue is our best player.
🙂
If you are referring to my comment, I should clarify it by pointing out that I was posting with reference to the preceding post. I should have been clearer but my statement was with regard to Free Agency in general, not the Ellis situation specifically.
I have never understood why the AFL feels the need to award compensation when a player leaves via Free Agency. It just stuffs things up even more.
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say. At least since that bloke who reckons Menadue is our best player.
🙂
If you are referring to my comment, I should clarify it by pointing out that I was posting with reference to the preceding post. I should have been clearer but my statement was with regard to Free Agency in general, not the Ellis situation specifically.
I have never understood why the AFL feels the need to award compensation when a player leaves via Free Agency. It just stuffs things up even more.
I don't mind it. From a club point of view, you invest 8 years of development into a player and if they leave as a free agent you get nothing for them. If they are not a free agent the club can trade them for some draft picks. Why should there be such a difference?
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The problem was we got shafted coz we didn’t fight to keep him
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Angry Tigers asked AFL to review Ellis compo
Sam Edmund
Herald Sun
October 6, 2019
Disappointed Richmond officials requested the AFL review the free agency compensation it received for the loss of Brandon Ellis as the league’s formula for awarding draft picks for the loss of free agents comes under fire again.
The Tigers were handed an end of second round pick for Ellis, currently No.39, after he officially joined Gold Coast on Saturday.
As revealed by the Herald Sun, Ellis has accepted a five-year, $3 million deal to join the Suns.
It was a contract the Tigers had hoped would net them an end of first round compensation selection, which would have been pick 20 given Richmond’s premiership status and the Suns’ freshly awarded priority pick.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale revealed the Tigers were so unhappy with the compensation, the club urged the AFL to review it.
“We were very dissapointed with the offer of a 2nd Rd pick for Brandon Ellis and asked the @AFL to review it. @AFL has since explained that the points allocated (based on age & average $$$), fell just short of the points required for the awarding of a 1st Rd pick in 2019,” Gale tweeted.
The AFL has refused to explain its compensation “formula”, which is said to be based on age, salary and contract length, but can be altered at the discretion of a committee.
The Ellis pick has many scratching their heads given recent cases at other clubs.
West Coast last year got an end of first round compensation pick for losing Scott Lycett to Port Adelaide on a deal widely reported to be exactly the same — $3 million over five years.
Like Richmond, the Eagles were premiers. Like Ellis, Lycett was 26. Yet there is 19 draft picks difference.
Steven Motlop signed on for less at Port Adelaide when he left Geelong at the end of 2017.
Motlop accepted a four-year deal worth around $2 million, leading to a belief the Cats would get an end of second round pick (No.35) to compensate.
When pick 19 came back there was surprise. When the Cats used pick 19 to bring Gary Ablett home there was cynicism.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afls-free-agency-compensation-under-fire-after-richmond-received-end-of-second-round-pick-for-brandon-ellis/news-story/b49a50288628cea4356f8797eaa4231b
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Disappointing, in other words they are making an example out of us after letting it go the last couple of years.
Amazingly no one can handle Tiger Time :gotigers but is :shh
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AFL must be the most incompetently run major sporting league anywhere in the world.
Seriously, no consistency whatsoever.
We don’t need the compensation but it is the principle involved.
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Wowee!
Just blatant cheating by the AFL.
But truth be known, if we were offered pick 39 for Bellis in a normal trade it would probably be about right for him... not really the point but we just won our 2nd Premiership in 3 years so I’m not really too upset about it.
Good luck Bellis.
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I would have thought based on free agency qualifications that he was quite young and therefore that should weigh in our favour when allocating a compo pick.
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What did we pay for him in the draft?
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What did we pay for him in the draft?
15 in 2011
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Ok so they get a top draft pick, in his prime, developed in the best club going round atm, fully fit, two Granny medallions hanging off of him and he is worth sweet FA. nice.
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This year's premiership doco to be directed by Tarantino: Kill Gil. :shh
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THE AFLPA will probably never let it happen but there's a pretty simple & obvious way for the AFL to ensure a fairer system and more equalisation - take the players' total contracts and average them out regardless of front loading or back ending when calculating club's annual tpp .. :shh
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Why Tigers received pick 39 for Ellis
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
7 October 2019
Richmond was told a rapid escalation in the kind of lucrative contracts above $500,000 for players over 25 saw them miss out on end-of-first-round compensation for Brandon Ellis.
The Tigers were so upset to receive only pick 39 as compensation for the departing Ellis that they clarified the free agency situation with the AFL.
The league does not disclose exactly how it comes up with free agency compensation, but a player has to fit into the top few per cent of players over 25 on pay alone to secure first-round compensation.
End-of-first-round compensation is the second band, with second-round compensation the third band.
The Tigers were told since West Coast received end-of-first-round compensation for Scott Lycett and Geelong for Steve Motlop, players in that pay scale had increased.
Both those players were offered less guaranteed money than Ellis, but the Tigers received less compensation. But while Richmond lost Ellis to a five-year deal worth $3 million, he isn’t in the top handful of paid players over 25.
The league’s wages continue to grow, with free agency and long-term deals meaning clubs are now paying more for elite players and having to squeeze many on their list into the remaining cap space left over.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-daily-every-deal-and-whisper-on-day-one-of-the-exchange-period-monday-october-7-2019/live-coverage/181780fec0080bf5a6560c19de4e6d68
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stuff off - what a load of made up crap.... >:(
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stuffing garbage, did the salary cap suddenly explode?
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AFL's response:
"Well, if you ask us for a straight answer, then we shall say that, as far as we can see, looking at it by and large, taking one thing with another in terms of the average of departments, then in the final analysis it is probably true to say, that at the end of the day, in general terms, you would probably find that, not to put too fine a point on it, there probably wasn't very much in it one way or the other. As far as one can see, at this stage."
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stuffing garbage, did the salary cap suddenly explode?
More likely to do with the sudden explosion of cups heading to Punt Rd. I bet if we were a bottom club we'd be getting an end of first round pick at least. The AFL making things up as they go along ::).
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Gil, Goyder & SHocking working through their secret formula:
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p02fjpyr.jpg)
:shh
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So Tomlinson is equal value to Ellis according to the AFL. I'd doubt Melbourne has given Tomlinson anywhere near $3m over 5 years ::).
Ellis' career so far has been superior to Tomlinson's too.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=25&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=A&pid1=3647&pid2=3653&fid1=C&fid2=C
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We need to get Brave Brando back, this is sickening......:shh
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We need to either challenge it or move on, I can’t see the AFL admitting they are wrong
The AFL is alway going to discriminate based on their affiliations
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Don’t think this got posted. Brando’s goodbye msg.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3OqY4Hg2k1/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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See ya
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At least he came back unlike others.......................
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Ellis, who ultimately left Richmond for the Gold Coast, and Papley, who remained with Sydney, were identified as key components in Carlton’s planning for next year.
They were feverishly targeted by the Blues earlier this year, a courting that was said to have gone as far as tours of Ikon Park.
But problems arose because Silvagni, the General Manager of List Management and Strategy, was not part of the process, leaving him “bitterly disappointed”, according to one Carlton insider.
Back to Brandon Ellis — a name that repeatedly crops up when 2019 politics at Carlton are discussed.
Silvagni was said to have been open to Ellis joining the club, but only at the right price, which was a fair way short of the $550,000 Gold Coast is alleged to be paying him.
When Ellis went north, Silvagni signed St Kilda’s Jack Newnes on a base salary at a third of the cost.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-took-tom-papley-and-brandon-ellis-on-a-tour-of-ikon-park-without-list-boss-stephen-silvagnis-knowledge/news-story/bd7cfa12d067c63d12b0569b9f694956
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Well. I guess SOS isn’t as dumb as he looks.
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Ellis in the Gold Coast strip :-X.
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2019/12/09/726273.jpg)
Source: AFL Photos.
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Brandon Ellis chats about his move from Richmond to Gold Coast ahead of 2020 AFL season
Tom Boswell
Gold Coast Bulletin
January 23, 2020
Dual premiership player and Suns recruit Brandon Ellis says he was left shaken up when told by Richmond he was no longer required but insists there is no bad blood with the Tigers as he begins a new chapter at Gold Coast.
Ellis was told by the Tigers midway through the 2019 season that he would be moved on, a decision that opened the door for his shift to Queensland where he will spend the next five years playing for the Suns.
“I was pretty shaken up and upset when I was told,” Ellis said.
“But it’s a business at the end of the day and these sorts of things happen.
“I have no bad blood with Richmond at all. I love them, they have given me this opportunity and shown me this new life.
“They took me as an 18-year-old and set me up and made me the person I am today so I can’t thank them enough.”
Ellis has been living with teammate and Gold Coast co-captain David Swallow as he searches for his own place as he settles into life at the Suns after playing 176 games for Richmond over eight years where he won two flags, the latest in his final game for the club.
The 26-year-old, who consulted with former Suns and current Tigers Dion Prestia and Tom Lynch before making the move, said he wanted to bring the same fun approach to football that enabled Richmond to go from a club under siege to one that has won two of the past three premierships.
The approach was made famous by vision of Tigers player Jack Higgins telling jokes between quarters.
It may be harder to cut-through at the Gold Coast where wins have been scarce but Ellis said that is exactly why they needed it.
“Football is just a game, it doesn’t define us as people,” Ellis said.
“It’s our job at the end of the day. I remember when I was playing football when I was young it was all about fun.
“I want to try and bring that element to it up here because that is what we did the last three years at the Tigers and it really turned the club around and turned our wins and losses around.
“I’m not saying that is the secret to success but you want to be really enjoying your job at all times. “That is what I want to try and bring up here as well.”
https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/brandon-ellis-chats-about-his-move-from-richmond-to-gold-coast-ahead-of-2020-afl-season/news-story/049ab0775ebecc2fa2e00d876c7d1178
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Funny how he was allegedly TOLD half way through 2019 we wasn’t required and yet played the rest of the season?
Don’t think that was the case.
Gold Coast offered more money and Richmond offered basic.
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Funny how he was allegedly TOLD half way through 2019 we wasn’t required and yet played the rest of the season?
Don’t think that was the case.
Gold Coast offered more money and Richmond offered basic.
He’s the one who quoted what the club has said.
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His manager would have said 'this is what Brandon is being offered as a FA' and he would have been told that we can't match it so go for it.
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His manager would have said 'this is what Brandon is being offered as a FA' and he would have been told that we can't match it so go for it.
^^^^ agree with this
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Funny how he was allegedly TOLD half way through 2019 we wasn’t required and yet played the rest of the season?
Don’t think that was the case.
Gold Coast offered more money and Richmond offered basic.
What part didnt you understand, the part where he said he was told half way thru 2019 that he was no longer required or the part where he said he was pretty shaken up and upset.This gave him time to sound out the market before the end of the season.
Carlton in the end didnt want him and Gcs ended up getting him as the only suitors left.
Club got it wrong continuing to play him imo.
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Club got it wrong continuing to play him imo.
I'm not an Ellis fan, but we didn't lose a game from the middle of the year, don't think it was that wrong.
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Only glass half-full supporters celebrate premierships.. :shh
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Ellis in the Gold Coast strip :-X.
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2019/12/09/726273.jpg)
Source: AFL Photos.
looks great in this strip, suits him more.
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Club got it wrong continuing to play him imo.
I'm not an Ellis fan, but we didn't lose a game from the middle of the year, don't think it was that wrong.
we would not have lost a game if Ellis played in none of them.
How good would it have been to get games and finals exposure into a younger player rather than gifting it to a player we knew was going half way thru the yr. In this i think we got it wrong.
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Only glass half-full supporters celebrate premierships.. :shh
Interesting concept is that where you have people who follow football who support a club as opposed to those who solely support a club and are rabid dumb ferals about it.
The latter would certainly apply to some on here ;)
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Gotcha- only dumb ferals who just follow their clubs enjoy winning flags whilst "real football followers" like you to which the club is apparently only a side interest(or irritant as the case seems to be.)and incidental to the game itself don't concern themselves with such trivialities. Glad you finally cleared it up for us and we can all at last understand where you're really coming from. :shh
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Gotcha- only dumb ferals who just follow their clubs enjoy winning flags whilst "real football followers" like you to which the club is apparently only a side interest(or irritant as the case seems to be.)and incidental to the game itself don't concern themselves with such trivialities. Glad you finally cleared it up for us and we can all at last understand where you're really coming from. :shh
сqoerg
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Only glass half-full supporters celebrate premierships.. :shh
Interesting concept is that where you have people who follow football who support a club as opposed to those who solely support a club and are rabid dumb ferals about it.
The latter would certainly apply to some on here ;)
When you win 2 of the last 3 flags, you are actually the last supporter that can be accused of being dumb and feral for supporting it.
Quite the opposite
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Gotcha- only dumb ferals who just follow their clubs enjoy winning flags whilst "real football followers" like you to which the club is apparently only a side interest(or irritant as the case seems to be.)and incidental to the game itself don't concern themselves with such trivialities. Glad you finally cleared it up for us and we can all at last understand where you're really coming from. :shh
Close but no cigar.
Theres the dumb ferals whose only joy in life is their club, ferals who have no objectivity, common sense, or other life away from the rfc.You dont dare say anything bad about their club. Its freakin pathetic as well as quite sad, but hey each to his own you obviously need something in your life..
Then theres those who follow their clubs but its not the end of the world or the be all end all and have a life outside of the club.
You know those supporters who show just a tad of common sense,have a little objectivity where its not the end of the world to lose a game who cope with a differing point of view on the players and club.
It seems its these types who have your types slashing their wrists in angst and carrying on like petulant little kids because the big bad man disagrees lol.
Talk about a pack of nuff nuffs.
Does that clear it up for you
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Is there no middle ground between the nuff nuffs and the hardcore realists who complain about premierships?
You know, people who maybe love the club but don't particularly agree with every selection yet are still happy to see the club succeed?
:shh
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The dogmatic always project... :shh :shh
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Is there no middle ground between the nuff nuffs and the hardcore realists who complain about premierships?
You know, people who maybe love the club but don't particularly agree with every selection yet are still happy to see the club succeed?
:shh
I have to agree with the last bit. What i cant work out is why do you feel the need to go on a point scoring exercise when all thats been voiced is a very plausible reason why we got it wrong regarding Ellis.
Oh i see it because you always back Ellis in to the hilt. your all upset when i say we got it wrong by playing Ellis after telling him half way thru the yr his services were no longer required because that paints you in a bad light.
LOL I havent seen anyone complain about premierships or are not happy to see the club succeed. Your imagination does run wild at times.
I have seen plenty slash their wrists over others suggesting we can be better and we do get somethings wrong.
If i was you id try a different analogy i know you can do better as hard as it must seem to you.
By the way when posters continually resort to childish emoticons they lose all credability people ask how freakin old are they.How old are you son.
If you boys are going to act like nuff nuffs and go on nothing but point scoring side shows then grow up and expect to cop just a little bit of the same back.
The dogmatic always project... :shh :shh
Im not surprised you know the word, sums you up doesnt it. Doesnt mention other more apt descriptions though.
Now im out of here for awhile, while gone give it your best shot, we all know you will be here nothing else to do eh.
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Have fun over at Big Footy flopsy.....:shh
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Ahead of his 200th game, Brandon Ellis reveals why he left the Tigers and his main hesitation in moving to Gold Coast.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/608141/leaving-richmond-brandon-ellis-explains-one-very-big-decision