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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: big tone on December 28, 2011, 11:38:37 AM
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Hi everyone and Merry Christmas.
Was told the other day that Newy was most likely moving to a wing in 2012. I personally think that's a great decision. He is quick, good overhead, wins contested footy and is a fantastic kick which our young forwards will love. May need to work on his fitness a little and get a different mind set in being a little more attacking but i think he will add something pretty special there.
Our wingmen of late have been those bits and pieces types in White, Edwards and Helbig but personally i think it is a really important attacking position that we haven't really utilized for a long time (except the Richo man a few years back)
What are peoples thoughts and is there anybody else that might be ideal for the other wing?
And is there anybody else that you can think of that could play a different role that they have been playing in the past?
For me i think Tuck could play CHF. A position that knowbody has really made there own just yet. He played there in the third quarter in the last game of the year against North and i think he did a really good job.(take a look if you have it IQ-ed) He is tall, strong, has good hands, presents really well, is a pretty good set shot at goal and will give you 100% effort all day every day.
Kick the ball to Tucky and you know he will either take the grab or bring the ball to the deck ready for our small forwards.
Thoughts? and any other ideas?
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doesnt suprise to hear this coz it appears we have recruited upteen HBF in recent drafts, with Morris and Ellis likely to get a run and bachelor a lock down there with houli then it releases someone like Newy and Lids to a more attacking role..Bring it on I say...tbh Newy has always suited more of an offensive role with the knock on his game the ability to really lock down on an opponent
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Would love Newy on the wing and Lids in the middle as long as Ellis and Morris can filled those voids in defence. I don't really want Tuck in the side though 8)
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You like giving the opposition a 20-30pt headstart?
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Was told the other day that Newy was most likely moving to a wing in 2012. I personally think that's a great decision. He is quick, good overhead, wins contested footy and is a fantastic kick which our young forwards will love. May need to work on his fitness a little and get a different mind set in being a little more attacking but i think he will add something pretty special there.
Our wingmen of late have been those bits and pieces types in White, Edwards and Helbig but personally i think it is a really important attacking position that we haven't really utilized for a long time (except the Richo man a few years back)
How reliable? Someone from the club? :)
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Would love Newy on the wing and Lids in the middle as long as Ellis and Morris can filled those voids in defence. I don't really want Tuck in the side though 8)
That is the $64m question. HB is a critical playmaker role nowadays and elite ball users are normally back there to set up the i50s.
Good topic though.
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I heard from the coaches that Lids was definitely moving into the midfield but hadn't heard anything about Newy as well. Wouldn't moving both Newy and Lids, leaving a very inexperienced half-backline to shoulder the defensive responsibility, be a little too much all at once. Batchelor is a baby and just coming into his second year while Ellis hasn't even played a game. Dea is wet behind the ears and even Houli has only played a few games in this position. Makes me uncomfortable giving so much responsibility to so many so young and leaving us with so little leadership support to the backline brigade.
May well happen as their has been a great deal of talk of having Dea cement his place as a small defenders next year along with Batchelor and Houli so some players will have to move.
I'm not a big fan of Tucky going forward. This is not because he couldn't do it but because he is needed to win us the ball at stoppages and allow players like Griffiths/Post/etc to develop in the CHF role.
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I heard from the coaches that Lids was definitely moving into the midfield but hadn't heard anything about Newy as well. Wouldn't moving both Newy and Lids, leaving a very inexperienced half-backline to shoulder the defensive responsibility, be a little too much all at once. Batchelor is a baby and just coming into his second year while Ellis hasn't even played a game. Dea is wet behind the ears and even Houli has only played a few games in this position. Makes me uncomfortable giving so much responsibility to so many so young and leaving us with so little leadership support to the backline brigade.
May well happen as their has been a great deal of talk of having Dea cement his place as a small defenders next year along with Batchelor and Houli so some players will have to move.
I'm not a big fan of Tucky going forward. This is not because he couldn't do it but because he is needed to win us the ball at stoppages and allow players like Griffiths/Post/etc to develop in the CHF role.
Good post and totally agree and i will add Tuck's kicking isnt the best for a CHF role
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I'm not a big fan of Tucky going forward. This is not because he couldn't do it but because he is needed to win us the ball at stoppages and allow players like Griffiths/Post/etc to develop in the CHF role.
Hopefully Tuck's not in the side next year. Then I'll know we have really improved.
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i'd prefer to see jackson gone before tuck.
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Put Edwards on the wing, he has improved his fitness and bulked up, if he can get his kicking sorted out..........who knows...
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Put Jackson on the wing.
Good link up player with a deadly accurate kick :thumbsup
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i'd prefer to see jackson gone before tuck.
Nah Jacko is improving. Has a good 5 years ahead. Tuck just keep kicking shockers
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i'd prefer to see jackson gone before tuck.
Both are hopefully upgraded in 2012.
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Was told the other day that Newy was most likely moving to a wing in 2012. I personally think that's a great decision. He is quick, good overhead, wins contested footy and is a fantastic kick which our young forwards will love. May need to work on his fitness a little and get a different mind set in being a little more attacking but i think he will add something pretty special there.
Our wingmen of late have been those bits and pieces types in White, Edwards and Helbig but personally i think it is a really important attacking position that we haven't really utilized for a long time (except the Richo man a few years back)
How reliable? Someone from the club? :)
Not at the club anymore, but still speaks to some players. :thumbsup
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Was told the other day that Newy was most likely moving to a wing in 2012. I personally think that's a great decision. He is quick, good overhead, wins contested footy and is a fantastic kick which our young forwards will love. May need to work on his fitness a little and get a different mind set in being a little more attacking but i think he will add something pretty special there.
Our wingmen of late have been those bits and pieces types in White, Edwards and Helbig but personally i think it is a really important attacking position that we haven't really utilized for a long time (except the Richo man a few years back)
How reliable? Someone from the club? :)
Not at the club anymore, but still speaks to some players. :thumbsup
Your source is Jackstar?
:lol
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Another position i think we need to try someone/something different in is that run-with midfield roll. Not a tagger like a few years back but today's footy has changed and that player also needs to be able to hurt the opposition the other way. That's why i think Jackson is a dead man walking unless he can play another roll.
That run-with roll, the player has to have pace, good endurance, be hard at it and want the contest, be a good tackler, be selfless but most importantly needs to be able to still get his own footy and be able to use it.
Three players IMO should be given ago at it over the pre season- Matt White, Nathan Foley and Brad Helbig.
Matt White- needs to find a roll in the side because at the moment he is just a top up player. And if he cannot, he will find himself looking for a new gig in 2013.
Nathan Foley- Think the attacking midfield roll has past him by a little. Still has some pretty handy qualities but with the likes of Cotch, Martin and Lids being our main mids with Conca, Ellis and even Arnot coming through the smart long term decision would be to lock himself into this position.
Brad Helbig- IMO would make a great run-with mid. Is as hard as a cats head, works hard and is young and looks to have a good head on his shoulders. Will need to be able to get some of his own footy but would be worth a chance. And IMO i cannot see any other roll for him in the side. Just doesen't have enough tricks.
What do you guys think?
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Was told the other day that Newy was most likely moving to a wing in 2012. I personally think that's a great decision. He is quick, good overhead, wins contested footy and is a fantastic kick which our young forwards will love. May need to work on his fitness a little and get a different mind set in being a little more attacking but i think he will add something pretty special there.
Our wingmen of late have been those bits and pieces types in White, Edwards and Helbig but personally i think it is a really important attacking position that we haven't really utilized for a long time (except the Richo man a few years back)
How reliable? Someone from the club? :)
Not at the club anymore, but still speaks to some players. :thumbsup
Your source is Jackstar?
:lol
No..... :cheers
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pretty sure matty white was playing that role early season before he got injured and dimma was happy with the jobs he did.
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Was told the other day that Newy was most likely moving to a wing in 2012. I personally think that's a great decision. He is quick, good overhead, wins contested footy and is a fantastic kick which our young forwards will love. May need to work on his fitness a little and get a different mind set in being a little more attacking but i think he will add something pretty special there.
Our wingmen of late have been those bits and pieces types in White, Edwards and Helbig but personally i think it is a really important attacking position that we haven't really utilized for a long time (except the Richo man a few years back)
How reliable? Someone from the club? :)
Not at the club anymore, but still speaks to some players. :thumbsup
Nothing like a good ...um ......er.... source :rollin :rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
:outtahere :outtahere :outtahere :outtahere
;D ;D
;) ;) ;)
:thumbsup :thumbsup
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Another position i think we need to try someone/something different in is that run-with midfield roll. Not a tagger like a few years back but today's footy has changed and that player also needs to be able to hurt the opposition the other way. That's why i think Jackson is a dead man walking unless he can play another roll.
That run-with roll, the player has to have pace, good endurance, be hard at it and want the contest, be a good tackler, be selfless but most importantly needs to be able to still get his own footy and be able to use it.
Three players IMO should be given ago at it over the pre season- Matt White, Nathan Foley and Brad Helbig.
Matt White- needs to find a roll in the side because at the moment he is just a top up player. And if he cannot, he will find himself looking for a new gig in 2013.
Nathan Foley- Think the attacking midfield roll has past him by a little. Still has some pretty handy qualities but with the likes of Cotch, Martin and Lids being our main mids with Conca, Ellis and even Arnot coming through the smart long term decision would be to lock himself into this position.
Brad Helbig- IMO would make a great run-with mid. Is as hard as a cats head, works hard and is young and looks to have a good head on his shoulders. Will need to be able to get some of his own footy but would be worth a chance. And IMO i cannot see any other roll for him in the side. Just doesen't have enough tricks.
What do you guys think?
good call bt i'm not to sure about Hellboy having no tricks he sure is hard at it a good tackler and can kick a good goal as well I see he has bulked up some more so think he will rotate through that midfield/defensive forward role
on a bye note it sure is great to see so much competition for a starting 22 spot no one gets a free ticket in 2012
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...could see some logic in this...from what i gather the club is still keen to get games into guys in positions that they think will help us win a flag - would therefore make sense that they'd be keen to develop all of the young half backs & get some continuity with the Deas, Bachelors, Ellis, Houlis etc....also HBF seems to be the spot we utilise for developing our onballers (re Conca etc) - play a few of the kids there & you can always rotate Lids and/or Newy back as required...also Newy could be damaging kicking to Jack, TV etc with his left foot & has been known to kick a goal or two himself when drifting forward...
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pretty sure matty white was playing that role early season before he got injured and dimma was happy with the jobs he did.
yep defensive fwd and played it very well, destroyed Yarran and kept him to 3 touches from memory and did some more good jobs before getting injured. Every player needs a defined role that suits there strengths and keeps them away from getting their weaknesses exposed consistently. Matty White will never be a great user of the ball or have great skills, his assets are his pace, tenacity and passion, using them to shutdown the yarran, heath shaw types is an important role. Question is can we have 2 of these types in the same team (White/Kingy)?
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Ok, best wing set up in history will be Connors (WP....WP...hehe) on one side and Edwards on the other.... :lol
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Ok, best wing set up in history will be Connors (WP....WP...hehe) on one side and Edwards on the other.... :lol
Lord give me strength :laugh:
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i know you taking the pee wat, but anyway..
wingmen need to be a good kick.
Edwards does his best work in close where he handballs out rather than kicking.
Conners on the other hand would make a good wingman, if he ever learns to settle when he has time rather than blazing away blinded by adrenalin. he is a good kick and strong overhead, an attribute at least one of your wingman needs to have, but i'd be surprised if we see him playing for richmond ever again, in the season proper anyway.
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i know you taking the pee wat, but anyway..
wingmen need to be a good kick.
Edwards does his best work in close where he handballs out rather than kicking.
Conners on the other hand would make a good wingman, if he ever learns to settle when he has time rather than blazing away blinded by adrenalin. he is a good kick and strong overhead, an attribute at least one of your wingman needs to have, but i'd be surprised if we see him playing for richmond ever again, in the season proper anyway.
Yes Al I am taking the pee... :thumbsup
And you will be publicaly executed for your support of Connors...... ;D, but I do agree with you, he was a favourite of mine. Then injuries and atttitude got in his way.....very unfortunate.
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Was told the other day that Newy was most likely moving to a wing in 2012. I personally think that's a great decision. He is quick, good overhead, wins contested footy and is a fantastic kick which our young forwards will love. May need to work on his fitness a little and get a different mind set in being a little more attacking but i think he will add something pretty special there.
Our wingmen of late have been those bits and pieces types in White, Edwards and Helbig but personally i think it is a really important attacking position that we haven't really utilized for a long time (except the Richo man a few years back)
How reliable? Someone from the club? :)
Not at the club anymore, but still speaks to some players. :thumbsup
Nothing like a good ...um ......er.... source :rollin :rollin :rollin
:yep
:eyebrow
:outtahere :outtahere :outtahere :outtahere
;D ;D
;) ;) ;)
:thumbsup :thumbsup
Sorry WP, i forgot it was only you that has any um.... er..... mail. :sleep
One of my best mates who recently used to sit in the coaches box on game day and is still good friends enough to be invited to a recent wedding of one of our current players- so i think my mail is pretty solid. :thumbsup
And for the record, i hear a lot of things but don't mention them on here- but i just thought with the lack of footy talk on here lately, it would be a good topic to discuss- but all you could come up with is ....um.....er.....sourse :rollin :rollin
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Sorry WP, i forgot it was only you that has any um.... er..... mail. :sleep
One of my best mates who recently used to sit in the coaches box on game day and is still good friends enough to be invited to a recent wedding of one of our current players- so i think my mail is pretty solid. :thumbsup
And for the record, i hear a lot of things but don't mention them on here- but i just thought with the lack of footy talk on here lately, it would be a good topic to discuss- but all you could come up with is ....um.....er.....sourse :rollin :rollin
No need to apologies big tone, I am not disputing your mail I am sure it spot on I just found it ironic in way that's alll because..........
You gave me one massive right royal whack a few months back over my mail .. saying that just because I got mail doens't mean it was always right etc ... :thumbsup
Lots of people have mail, it just seems I am the only person you've evere whacked over mail ;D :thumbsup... :rollin :rollin
As I said I just found some irony in what you posted that's all
Maybe I should say sorry to you as it was just my sarcastic sense of humour coming through that I know alot of people don't appreciate ;D ;D
Oh and for the record I hear a lot of things too :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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And just on the topic, my view is if they are looking at putting Lids in the mid-field then I'd keep Newman across half back with Houli as our main clearers (aka better kicks) until the newbies come through and show they can hit targets consistently
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Sorry WP, i forgot it was only you that has any um.... er..... mail. :sleep
One of my best mates who recently used to sit in the coaches box on game day and is still good friends enough to be invited to a recent wedding of one of our current players- so i think my mail is pretty solid. :thumbsup
And for the record, i hear a lot of things but don't mention them on here- but i just thought with the lack of footy talk on here lately, it would be a good topic to discuss- but all you could come up with is ....um.....er.....sourse :rollin :rollin
No need to apologies big tone, I am not disputing your mail I am sure it spot on I just found it ironic in way that's alll because..........
You gave me one massive right royal whack a few months back over my mail .. saying that just because I got mail doens't mean it was always right etc ... :thumbsup
Lots of people have mail, it just seems I am the only person you've evere whacked over mail ;D :thumbsup... :rollin :rollin
As I said I just found some irony in what you posted that's all
Maybe I should say sorry to you as it was just my sarcastic sense of humour coming through that I know alot of people don't appreciate ;D ;D
Oh and for the record I hear a lot of things too :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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And just on the topic, my view is if they are looking at putting Lids in the mid-field then I'd keep Newman across half back with Houli as our main clearers (aka better kicks) until the newbies come through and show they can hit targets consistently
All good buddy... :thumbsup
Happy New Year to you and your family :cheers
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Don't you know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, WP?
......That's what i like about it so much :santa
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All good buddy... :thumbsup
Happy New Year to you and your family :cheers
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
And you & yours big tone
Don't you know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, WP?
......That's what i like about it so much :santa
I'm with ya al, I'm with ya ;D
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I don't rate any of your 'mail'. :thumbsup
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Edwards could easily make the transition to the midfield.
Good link player, great motor.
If he can iron out the unforced disposal errors like he did in 2010, it is not at all beyond the realms of possibility that he'll be one of our 'wingmen'.
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Edwards could easily make the transition to the midfield.
Good link player, great motor.
If he can iron out the unforced disposal errors like he did in 2010, it is not at all beyond the realms of possibility that he'll be one of our 'wingmen'.
Does Edwards have a photo .... ;)
"If he can iron out the unforced disposal errors like he did in 2010".........and 2009...and 2008....and 2007...and.........
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I think he meant that in 2010 edwards did iron out his unforced disposal errors.
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I think he meant that in 2010 edwards did iron out his unforced disposal errors.
Oh ok, did MM, did Edwards..
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yeah, he wasn't too bad in 2010
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yeah, he wasn't too bad in 2010
Shane had a very good 2010 and got better as 2011 progressed after a horrible start. Is in our starting 18 IMO. Look forward to a stronger Edwards having a big impact in the middle in 2012.
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if his increase in strength costs him to much agility then he is finished
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I think he meant that in 2010 edwards did iron out his unforced disposal errors.
Exactly right.
Big year for him no doubt but if he gets it together (and by all accounts his preseason has been good), he is no doubt a part of our best 22.
Time will tell and I hope he proves his naysayers wrong.
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:lol
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I'd like to see no pork floating from half
back through the midfield
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I'd like to see no pork floating from half
back through the midfield
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I personally think Edwards will be much improved in 2012. He has bulked up and all that he needs to improve is his kicking. He is great in traffic and has excellent agility. Also his endurance is first rate.
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Is Newy even in our best 22? Should he be made to earn his way into the side?
We finished off the year well, maybe we should go against the Blues without him and see how the boys go. They have owned us for the last twenty years or so anyway and we are the underdogs.
If anyone expected us to win we wouldn't be at 4.95
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Newy is a good player and a great captain. One of the first picked if he's fit
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Is Newy even in our best 22?
If Newie isn't in our best 22, we finish top 4.
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Newy is a good player and a great captain. One of the first picked if he's fit
Wouldn't say he is a "great Captian", good-very good....not great..IMO.
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Is Newy even in our best 22?
If Newie isn't in our best 22, we finish top 4.
He's underrated, like him or not nick Maxwell helped the magpies get a flag through his on field leadership and yet he's not their best player and possibly not even their 22nd best player. I'd have newy over Maxwell as a player and he is the perfect back line general. Not sure why posters don't rate him, he's not a shut down defender but neither are half today's back flankers and hes in our best 3 kicks in the starting 18
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Is Newy even in our best 22?
If Newie isn't in our best 22, we finish top 4.
He's underrated, like him or not nick Maxwell helped the magpies get a flag through his on field leadership and yet he's not their best player and possibly not even their 22nd best player. I'd have newy over Maxwell as a player and he is the perfect back line general. Not sure why posters don't rate him, he's not a shut down defender but neither are half today's back flankers and hes in our best 3 kicks in the starting 18
If he's not getting a game with us, a bloody good player will be in his place.
He'd be an intergal part of most teams best 22 let alone ours.
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So-so Captain
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So-so Captain
+1
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So-so Captain
Trade him off as well.
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Nick Maxwell is a flog. Can't stand the guy. He and Buckley should get on well.
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So-so Captain
Trade him off as well.
Have I said something that upset you? :huh
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So-so Captain
Trade him off as well.
Have I said something that upset you? :huh
If we moved on JR it would upset me.
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Don't believe in the no idiots policy?
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Don't believe in the no idiots policy?
Why are you here? ;D ;)
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I don't follow
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I don't follow
No surprises there. ;D
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You've lost me.
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Don't believe in the no idiots policy?
Jack isn't an idiot, he's just an arrogant idiot. I believe the policy is 'no idiots'.....but Jack's a gun so he stays. idiots who can't play should be getting the ass. Daniel Jackson springs to mind
lol
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Can he play well enough to balance it out though?
I'm starting to think he is a Fev type figure.
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People are going to be murdered
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stay away from the glad wrap, bubby :police:
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Could Houli play a part in our midfield?
Has he got what it takes? I would have said maybe tank before today but it looks like fitness will not be a problem.
Great kick, one touch, tough, quick, and has learnt to play on opponents.
Could he be the really big improver in 2012???
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Houli needs to HTFU. other than that he can play
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if he shows the level of improvement he showed last season he will be in the top echelon.
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stay away from the glad wrap, bubby :police:
:shh