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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: JohnF on March 27, 2005, 05:53:52 PM
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Surely the time has come!
* He has a worse win/loss ratio than Danny Frawley
* He has led us to the worst losing streak in our proud club's history
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Disgraceful, pathetic you name it :banghead :help
First 20 minutes was promising. We had alot of momentum moving the ball well, running in numbers up the ground and linking up well.
We should have been in front at quarter time except for 3 turnovers that costed us goals and got the Cats going:
- Chaffey running off CHB under no pressure just needed to pass it rightish to a teammate up the ground but instead went left side straight to the Geelong opponent :banghead
- AK out of a back pocket OOF under no pressure :banghead
- Gas off a HBF again under no pressure straight to a Cat on the wing :banghead.
It just kills ya when that happens in succession :scream.
Once we fell a couple goals down we just dropped our bundle and confidence, stopped running for each other and working as team. Got completely smashed at every contest and out of the centre from then on by the harder, more desperate and more skillful Cat runners. With every Geelong goal we fell back in our stupid old habits under Spud. Too slow moving the ball, stop-start footy with handgrenade handballs and kicks that couldn't hit targets. Too Richo-centric and no leadership :banghead :banghead :banghead. The Geelong players were so confident of turning over footy from us that Enright and Bartel would run forward of the ball to a corner of the centre square in readiness for the footy and get it everytime.
I know they short kick alot but they had 70 more kicks at 3/4 time :o yet we had more handballs :help.
Geelong would never try to kick to a contest. They kept switching the play from one side of the ground to the other until they found someone free up the ground. This should have given us plenty of time to flood back and clog up their forward 50 but we were too lazy to get numbers back allowing the Cats to spot up teammates and then pass into an open forward line. Training drill stuff. Most of our blokes just stood and ball watched 70m out from the Cats goal. In fact there were many instances of ball-watching instead of going full on at the footy :banghead.
The dumbest and softest footy side of all time >:( :help.
Only positive is we're not on the bottom of the ladder :-\.
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Surely the time has come!
* He has a worse win/loss ratio than Danny Frawley
* He has led us to the worst losing streak in our proud club's history
lol Jake. After today's debarcle needed a laugh.
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Richmond Stats
| Player | K H P M HO T FF FA G B |
| Joel Bowden | 5 9 14 2 0 3 1 1 0 0 |
| Nathan G. Brown | 10 4 14 2 0 0 0 0 3 0 |
| Wayne Campbell | 9 12 21 8 1 2 1 0 1 0 |
| Mark Chaffey | 13 2 15 4 0 3 0 0 1 0 |
| Mark Coughlan | 10 10 20 4 0 3 2 1 0 0 |
| Brett Deledio | 8 1 9 6 0 2 0 2 0 0 |
| Darren Gaspar | 7 6 13 4 0 0 0 2 1 0 |
| Mark Graham | 6 6 12 4 0 0 2 1 1 0 |
| Ray Hall | 2 7 9 3 0 1 1 2 0 0 |
| Chris Hyde | 6 11 17 3 0 1 1 0 0 0 |
| Daniel Jackson | 3 2 5 2 0 3 1 0 0 0 |
| Kane Johnson | 9 4 13 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 |
| Andrew Kellaway | 3 9 12 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 |
| Trent Knobel | 0 5 5 2 16 0 0 1 0 0 |
| Andrew Krakouer | 7 2 9 0 0 1 2 1 1 0 |
| Chris Newman | 14 5 19 3 0 4 1 0 0 0 |
| Kayne Pettifer | 5 3 8 1 0 1 2 0 3 0 |
| Matthew Richardson | 11 2 13 9 0 1 0 1 3 2 |
| Thomas Roach | 4 3 7 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 |
| Troy Simmonds | 5 3 8 3 11 1 1 0 0 0 |
| Greg Tivendale | 9 10 19 4 0 1 2 0 0 0 |
| Shane Tuck | 13 8 21 3 0 2 0 1 1 1 |
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=matchresults&spg=default&m_tournamentmatch_id=1350
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Where's your source for this please, MT?
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Where's your source for this please, MT?
AFL site. I just added the link above :cheers
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Thanks, i was more interested in the Cats, as I had a few in my Footyrocks thing, including Ottens :shh
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I'd like to know why there seemed to be 40 Geelong players on the field during the game.
The lack of manning up was a sorry state.
We were smashed in the centre and just werent hard enough at the pill, it just appeared to me Geelong we able to get the ball out to one of their own or get a quick kick out of the pack much better than us. The amount of Ball their runners had its no wonder we lost by 10 goals. The cats just seemed like they couldnt do anything wrong, would that be from lack of pressure?
Turn overs were not the only reason why we lost
In saying that out of the players I was most annoyed with were:
Tivendale .... 19 touches ???? how and where seriously I didnt see them, were they effective? because i think he played poo
Chaffey ...... His ability to get the ball actually hurts us more
Kellaway ....... Whats happened to this guy? Always behind his opponent and just doesnt seem to give a poo, I'd say Hall is better than Andy Actually
Brown ........ Although i think he is great, he was unseen until it was too late, for someone on so much $ he didnt play very well at all
Knobel ........ After watching him play he should contest centre rucks and get off the field cant take a grab to save his life
Simmonds ..... For such a big bloke he was unseen I know he can play alot better but jeez Troy talk about trying to make urself look like Ben Holland.
Krakouer....... kicks the first goal and goes and sits with his dad in the stands...... useless
Things i want to get off my chest:
Kicking to Richo, whats the deal with players kicking it to his feet? and why did he seem like he was the only one putting in the hard yards leading?
Gaspar I actually though played well had that shocking turn over which hurt big time but did kick a goal early which IMO cancelled it out, definately not one of our worst.
Graham, when the game was over he played forward and actually presented himself, it really highlighted to me how crap our fwd line was when a guy 30+ from another club where he played as a backman shows us how to lead and make a contest inside our 50 even when it was all over.
All in all I felt our midfield really let us down and it made our backline even worse, we didnt have any runners willing to man up when they had the ball or run hard enough forward into space when we had the ball and again our decision making kicking forward was really poor. Its ok to bang the ball to the hot spot 20 meters out but how about doing it when we have numbers back there!!! Also I sometimes wonder if our forwards are leading to soon because we couldnt take a grab inside our 50 all day.
I dislike losing...... I HATE getting belted :banghead
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Only positive is we're not on the bottom of the ladder :-\.
Well at least you found a positive MT - As far as I was concerned there were NO positives to come out of the game at all.
I have tried to keep a lid on it before the season with all the hype going on and must admit I did get sucked in to expecting something a bit better than what I saw yesterday.
But as I have been saying all along - Geelong just missed a GF berth last and we were absolute crap last year so dont expect any miracles straight away. We have a few new guys and a game plan (Yep I said game plan) it is probably the list is not used to this idea and it will take time to get used to sticking to one.
We just cannot turn over 1/2 a list at the end of a year and it will take a couple more years to weed out the rubbish. In the meantime make sure the kids are rotated through the side for experience in preperation for the years ahead. :thumbsup
I will leave :banghead in the cupboard for a few more weeks at least.
End note - How big is next weeks Hawthorn v Richmond at the G - No winners to come out of that match just 1 BIG loser. I am going to be as nervous as if we were playing a final. :help
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Very disappointed in hearing the result.
I avoided finding out the score till 10pm last night as I was going to watch the replay (on at 1:10am in Qld, come on next TV rights). Glad I was foiled after finding out the score walking in on a newsflash.
Happy I didn't stay up might have broken down being tired and emotional.
Reading the reports maybe we should just start playing more kids because they couldn't be any worse than our seniors.
At least we almost hit the 16 goal target, maybe we would have won if the pussies had stayed in the pub all summer.
Anyway might have been a bit silly to think a side that almost got to the GF last year would have dropped their bundle against the previous seasons spooner.
Are we still playing an even worse side next week?
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PRR agree with everything you said. I must admit I certainly didn't go along yesterday expecting miracles and I still expect us to finish in the bottom 4. That said I was still disappointed in the way the players seemed to drop their bundles we Geelong started to get on top.
People have to realise though that the Cats have taken quite a while to get to where they are now...this is Bomber's 6th year with them and they've finished 7, 12, 9, 12 and then last year 4. Sides that are being developed and changed radically usually take at least 3 years to come on. St Kilda is another good example....2001 = 15, 2002 = 15, 2003 = 11, 2004 = 3. These sides both took some horrible batterings along the path to improvement.
On the positive side (yes ever the eternal optimist) we managed to kick 98 points and even though 5 goals were in junk time it was still good to play it out. BTW what was with the Cats freezing the ball as though they were only 6 points up...WHAT THE? Hope % costs them dearly :lol. I'd still rather us lose by 10 and kick 15 plus goals than lose by 6 and kick 6 or 7.
Another positive...at least Terry makes sense in his press conferences and doesn't make a million excuses for the way we played....liked his line about might as well have spent the pre season in the pub!
Also have to mention Hyde, I watched the replay on Fox (talk about a glutton for punishment) and he got 16 touches and all but one of them hit a target perfectly....admittedly the kick that was searching for boundary line ended up back over his head for a goal, but all in all I think he did pretty well.
As they say in footy there's always next week....must admit I'm a tad nervous.
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I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF OF THIS NEGATIVE poo!
FOR CHRISTS SAKE ITS ROUND 1 AFTER WINNING THE SPOON! WHAT DO U GUYS EXPECT!
DID YOU NOTICE THAT THE TEAM WAS ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR TO LAST YEARS TEAM, SURE WE HAD A FEW NEW FACES BUT 95% OF THE TEAM WAS THE SAME poo!
TERRY WALLACE FOR SURE IS GIVING THESE GUYS A CHANCE TO PROVE THEIR WORTH! HE WANTS TO SEE 4 HIMSELF WHERE THESE GUYS ARE AT!!!!!!
HE HAS 5 YEARS TO DO HIS JOB, ITS ONLY RND 1 OF HIS 1ST YEAR!
BROWN SHOULD NOT HAVE PLAYED, HE HAD THE FLU , SPOKE TO HIM AS HE WALKED ACROSS TO THE GROUNG AND HE WAS SICK AS A DOG!
RICHO BUSTED HIS GUTS!
SUGAR SHOWED WHY HE IS JUST AN AVERAGE GOOD PLAYER, BUT GIVE HIM TIME AND SUPPORT
JOEL IS SOFT AND SHOWS NO RESPECT
OK GASPAR APART FROM 1 OR 2 STUPID MISTAKES WAS LOOKING BETTER AND BETTER
TIVENDALE AND KELLAWAY WONT LAST IN THIS TEAM UNDER WALLACE, BELEIVE ME
COGS STILL ISNT 100% AND SHOULD NOT HAVE PLAYED
TUCK AND HYDE SHOWED THEY WILL MAKE IT
ROACH WONT LAST , TOO SOFT AND CLUMSY, RAINES WILL TAKE HIS PLACE 4 SURE
HALL , ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME B4 TERRT peees HIM OFF TOO.
SORRY IM SHOUTING HERE, BUT IM FED UP WITH TIGERS BAGGING TIGERS!!!
THERE ARE 22 ROUNDS, TERRY HAS TO SORT OUT THE TEAM IN PLAYING CONDITITIONS NOT PRACTICE MATCHES
BY RND 6 THIS TEAM WILL HAVE A NEW LOOK , TERRY WONT ACCEPT THIS CRAP AND THE CRAP FROM THE USUAL SUSPECTS, SO TO ALL U TIGER BAGGERS, IF U DONT UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS OF REBUILDING, pee OFF AND SUPPORT THE SKUNKS!
WE GOT SMASHED YES , WE PLAYED poo YES, BUT WE STILL MANAGED TO KICK 15 GOALS! IMAGING HOW GOOD WE CAN GET WHEN AT OUR WORST WE KICK 15!
DONT JUST BARRACK 4 THE TEAM, SUPPORT THEM , OR F OFF
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X, we don't bag the players and coach unmercifully on this site, but we do analyse each game.
Fact remains, it was a woeful performance and the coach made some mistakes leading up to the game that ensured we got a hiding. Just going over the game - no need for caps.
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Please god one game and we have already started the 'Dont bag....just support' line. Please its called analysis.......
Ok I found out Tuck was ill before the game. Its not confirmed if it was a virus or if it was nerves but he was chucking up. This is 100% certain.....May explain why he seemed a bit weary.......I think the main thing here is turnovers. They really hurt us. From that point it just snowballed....
Important notes:
+ STupid handballing: What is it with handballing to a stationary guy for the sake of handballing?
+ Roach: Not ready. panics too much. Raines looked a lot better for Coburg and should have played instead
+ Chubba: OUCH! Newman is getting mauled by two and your watching........Your lucky I didnt jump the fence and smack your head in
+ Cogs: Not mentioned about his ridiculous error in the 2nd quarter which cost us a goal
+ Richo: Dont blame his dummy-spits ANYMORE after seeing another putrid display of disposal to him
+ Gas: Welcome back, still want to pee him off anyone?
It was a classic encounter of Bottom 4 vs Top 4........Lets just hope everyone learns from it because we have a cut-throat match already this week.
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+ Cogs: Not mentioned about his ridiculous error in the 2nd quarter which cost us a goal
Don't worry om21 - I'll give it a mention - if you are talking about him trying to run past Otten$ :-\
Granted the Tom Roach handball was dumb but Cogs ran straight past Mr Jelly sorry I meant Ottens. All Brad had to do was stick out his arm and grab him - I mean for crying out loud. And then for it to mean that scumbag Otten$ gets a goal - geez I was p/off :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
And finally I know he hasn't played much footy in the last 12 months and we expect alot from him because he is a quality player but I have to say 2 things. Firstly, the defensive side of his game yesterday eespecially when he was at half back was at times terrible- Chapman cut him to pieces. And 2 - i wish he'd stop kicking with his left foot if he deosn't haved too - costs us far too many turn overs
Go easy on me people ;D :help ;D
Please its called analysis.......
+ Richo: Dont blame his dummy-spits ANYMORE after seeing another putrid display of disposal to him
Agree here om21 - if some of the passes to Richo were coming from players under pressure well the "at your feet or over your head" kicks would be tolerable but some of those passes yesterday were just shocking, blokes under absolutely no pressure. It seems to me the less pressure the worse the kick.
Graham, when the game was over he played forward and actually presented himself, it really highlighted to me how crap our fwd line was when a guy 30+ from another club where he played as a backman shows us how to lead and make a contest inside our 50 even when it was all over.
I reckon it also showed that Graham has something between the ears PRR - while some of our blokes seem to either not have anything or chose not use what they have.
His goal came directly from the Geelong defence following Richo and Graham, instead following Richo in the hope of getting a kick, just floated free instead. No rocket science just smart footy.
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Oh and I forgot to mention... there's an old saying and Gene Simmons of Kiss sings the line in song on the album "Music from The Elder" ...
"The more things change the more they stay the same"
:banghead :rollin :banghead :rollin :banghead :rollin
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;D :'( ;D
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Im glad I wasnt the only one who saw that incident. I almost chucked up when I saw that. And the fact that Judas got his first goal from it........wheres the bucket?
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Oh and I forgot to mention... there's an old saying and Gene Simmons of Kiss sings the line in song on the album "Music from The Elder" ...
"The more things change the more they stay the same"
:banghead :rollin :banghead :rollin :banghead :rollin
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wp! did not know u were a kiss fan! i have met gene 3 times, now thare is a smart man! the elder is tghe most underrated album of all time imo ! tell ya what , if the tigers want to be inspired all they have to do is listen and read about genes life story!
;D :'( ;D
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Not sure what I was expecting from this game, or the season. I even tried not to expect anything. Actually, I could’ve been happy with nothing. Woulda been better than the uncompetitive rabble we got to see.
For Richmond supporters, that second quarter could easily be referred to as “welcome to my nightmare”. Anything that could go wrong did. After that it didn’t get much better. Even though we kicked 15 goals, it didn’t really feel like it. Felt more like being kicked in the guts 25 times or more.
Probably should’ve listened to the warning signs going off in my head after what Brisbane did to the Saints the other night. If I wasn’t listening then, I was way before the end of the game on Sunday.
I already knew it, but just brought home how long-term this project really is. It’s going to take a lot of time, patience and a couple more clean outs before we start to get things heading in the right direction.
At least Deledio gave us something to cheer about and look forward to, early in the game.
After that it gets a bit tough to find anything good to come out of the game.
Hopefully TW will lose patience with selfish players quicker than me. Maybe he already has.
Only problem with that is that I saw the second half of the Coburg game and there really didn’t seem to be much there that could come into the seniors and make any real difference to the team, short-term.
Staff, Hartigan, Tambling and maybe Moore, Raines and Meyer could come in for a few games, without thinking about it too much. After that they’re all pretty much project players and will take time.
So, unless TW is Merlin the Magician then we’re going to have to play a similar line up for the majority of the season. Not because we want to, but because we probably have to. Unless of course TW decides to throw the baby out with the bath water, at some stage of the season, and play a team of Tiger cubs. Probably not.
The midfield rotations kept coming, especially late in the game. Not sure whether that was to keep players’ minds on the job (there’s a thought) or what, but in the last quarter it seemed that just about after every goal there was a new midfield set up. We did outscore the opposition in the last quarter, probably coz the opposition got bored, and there wasn’t much to play for by that stage, apart from percentage and pride. Hardly worth worrying about really and not like we’ve worried about in the past.
Couldn’t really find any 4 quarter players. Believe me, I tried. Even sat through the replay. For anyone with a weak stomach, don’t bother and if you do, turn the volume off. At least if you’re watching the nightmare unfold you don’t have to hear how bad it really is. That way, you could even pretend you’re watching the Keystone Cops vs the Harlem Globetrotters. How funny could that be?
S’pose it could be funny, in a bent and twisted kinda way, but I just don’t feel like laughing right now. No sense of humour some people. :P
If Ottens was a player coming to Richmond, under similar circumstances, he would have crumbled under the pressure. The difference being that he was treated like a long lost brother by the Geelong players and made to feel part of the team. Not only that, they really supported him to the hilt and shared the burden of the pressure he had been under through the week. Something he couldn’t have expected at Richmond. He would’ve been a lone figure, trying to do it himself. Which is the biggest slap in the face and indication that we’re a million miles from being anywhere near a good team. As if we didn’t already know.
Their team work, team spirit, camaraderie and whatever else they’ve developed is in another stratosphere to where we’re at. Let’s not forget that Thompson has been there more than five years and that it has taken that long for them to get to this point and they haven’t won anything of any significance just yet. It hasn’t been all plain sailing over those years, so let’s not get too disheartened just yet. Says me. :help
The really galling part is that it wouldn’t surprise me if Ottens feels more part of Geelong after that one game than he felt part of Richmond in 7 years here. Whose fault that is, who knows, but I doubt we helped the situation any. Says something about our team environment and is something that has bugged me for a number of years. Even way before Danny got to RFC. Why don’t they see it?
Hopefully TW, and anyone else who can do something about the situation, will cotton on, sooner rather than later, to what players coming to RFC are up against.
Being in a group/team environment is supposed to help people learn and grow quicker than in an individual situation. There’s something seriously wrong when it just sends our players backwards.
Is it just that we don’t have the right mix of players, so you don’t get that team work/spirit working until you get that right? Or is there some individual mentality ingrained into our players that continues to work against them?
If selfish players don’t get it then the sooner we turn over the playing list the better, because the past is like a cross to bear. No matter what changes and what happens, the old habits and traits are always there. Under pressure, we just go to pieces. What chance have the younger players got when senior/experienced blokes just don’t stand up? And the inexperienced players are supposed to follow their example? Am I the only one that thinks there’s something wrong with that?
I’m sure TW always knew he had a tough job ahead of him, but if he can get any semblance of team work/spirit happening by the end of this or the next season then that’ll be a miracle in itself.
Eventually it will happen and the difference will be significant. But at the moment, it’s like we have no idea about teamwork and working together, you know, for the good of the team. And like putting on a Richmond jumper means “every man for himself”. :banghead :banghead :banghead
What sort of habits and traits can players coming into the side be picking up? Nothing they should remember, especially the bit about being selfish. There may be a few who could do with a good dose of amnesia after that effort. I know I go on about this, but the sooner some of the up and comers are ready to start showing the way for others the better off we’ll be. Because the concern is that, in the meantime, the example being shown to them cannot be helping their development.
How basic and simple is it to “man up”. Obviously not basic and simple enough for some of our players. So how long do you give players until they’re beyond persevering with? Ok, it was the first ‘real’ game and there was a lot of difference for players in different roles, etc. to take in first up, against a better drilled team. Anyway, we don’t have much choice at the moment, other than to persist, purely because others aren’t ready to take their spot. Otherwise, you could be tolerant for only so long, especially when you see the same ordinary efforts time after time.
It is only one game and at least we have had things well and truly put into perspective, if they weren’t already. Unlike other seasons where we have come away from games thinking we were on the improve, when a win only distorted the truth.
At least this way we know what needs to happen and how far we have to go. Just hope the patience and tolerance levels can survive the journey.
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Great post TS....I actually enjoyed reading that. At least I know I aint the only other w$nk who watched the replay (as painful as it was). Just quickly, after watching the replay I was convinced that:
+ This is definately a long-term project.....
+ I would rather see Moore/Archibald (if ready) to be tried in Chubba's position....I cant stand to see Chubba anymore
+ Whilst there was no 4-quarter performers, Hyde continued to try hard and attempted to break lines and run hard and support where possible....one-man band
+ Our leaders are tip rats. Ill excuse Richo because we lost because of the midfield, the other 3....my god
+ Campo has to be a permanent forward. He attracts the ball and is our smartest user of the ball. He can be dangerous in setting up attacks
+ Our body language at half-time was the writing on the wall. Its got to the stage where I dont think they beleive in their abilities to do the job...and that is a sad state of affairs.
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It was always going to happen. I rate Geelong very highly and think they are the best Victorian team. Thought this at the end of last year, not coz they thumped us.
I was quite disappointed. Wasn't disappointed because we lost and even thumped, but I was disappointed with the dropping of the head of the senior players and the going back to old habots. I was expecting a loss and even a thumping didn't surprise me because we are off scratch and Geelong are 10m off scratch. I just wanted them to persist with the game plan of running in numbers, linking up and carrying the ball through the middle. We did this in the first quarter and looked very dangerous. But then the usual suspects came through with their predictable turnovers and we went into our shells. Why? Scorboard pressure? This will be Terry's toughest task. To make the players stick to their task despite what the scoreboard is telling them. In saying this however we still have too many unskilled players, and the sooner they are replaced with talented kids the better.
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Great article, TS - i really enjoy reading your stuff, as it's pretty much straight from the heart and describes our emotions (which i'm unable to put into words at the moment lol), pretty spot on.
Geelong had pretty good motivation courtesy of TW, and the way they played as a team, as against a few individual efforts from our guys, we didn't have a chance.
I'm just writing off this week - refuse to get too down about it and absolutely refuse to watch the replay. Good on those who felt they needed a double dose of wrist slashing by watching it again lol. We played a good team and it showed. Next week is a really different matter, and if we play the same way against the Hawks, you could say we're in deep trouble and morale amongst supporters and the club will be low.
But i never expected much this year - still don't. But i need to see competitive efforts, and a lot more leadership from the seniors, not the kids showing them how it's done, which is what happened on the weekend, yet again.
Cheer up ppls :)
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+ Campo has to be a permanent forward. He attracts the ball and is our smartest user of the ball. He can be dangerous in setting up attacks
Yeah he is the smartest when it comes to using the ball. It's just a pity that he has lost so much leg speed as he comes to the end of his career because if he had some speed you could throw him in the centre to at least direct the traffic because there didn't seem to be any directing around the ruck contests.
It just proves how important footy "smarts" are - you can have all the skill in the world but you've also got to have something between the ears to utilise that skill.
How basic and simple is it to “man up”. Obviously not basic and simple enough for some of our players. So how long do you give players until they’re beyond persevering with?
How long? Good question. IF you are talking in years - well some have to be on their last chance (but we've been saying that for a couple of years now).
If you are talking this season as in weeks - I'd reckon a couple will play for Coburg this weekend in Bendigo and some of the others will be given this week to play team footy or they'll be at Coburg as well. If this week against Hawthorn goes pear shaped perhaps we may just have to bite the bullet and play the likes of Archibald, Raines and Pattison etc. rather than persisting with those who just let us down time and time again
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Here is a suggestion WP.....why dont we just throw them in this week.
My suggestions would be:
Raines for Roach;
Moore for Chubba;
Staff for ???? (depends on team structure).
We shouldn't waste our time because beating Hawthorn will only buy half the crap an extra week.
:'( @ Campbo getting struck down with an injury that has ruined him while chumps continue without a scratch.
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Here is a suggestion WP.....why dont we just throw them in this week.
My suggestions would be:
Raines for Roach;
I've gotta say I was staggered that Roach played on Sunday ahead of Raines. Raines' pre-season has been excellent
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It was always going to happen. I rate Geelong very highly and think they are the best Victorian team. Thought this at the end of last year, not coz they thumped us.
I was quite disappointed. Wasn't disappointed because we lost and even thumped, but I was disappointed with the dropping of the head of the senior players and the going back to old habots. I was expecting a loss and even a thumping didn't surprise me because we are off scratch and Geelong are 10m off scratch. I just wanted them to persist with the game plan of running in numbers, linking up and carrying the ball through the middle. We did this in the first quarter and looked very dangerous. But then the usual suspects came through with their predictable turnovers and we went into our shells. Why? Scorboard pressure? This will be Terry's toughest task. To make the players stick to their task despite what the scoreboard is telling them. In saying this however we still have too many unskilled players, and the sooner they are replaced with talented kids the better.
Getting skillful players into the team is the key in my opinion. You can have the best game plan in the world but if you can't execute basic skills you will be found wanting.
It's only natural to revert to safe chip kicking when you see that your efforts to move the ball on quickly result in the ball coming back over your head even quicker.
Guys like Gaspar, Kellaway, Chaffey, Hall and Richardson lack fundamental skills and we will continue to be a rabble for as long as we persist with unco-ordinated players like these.
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:'( @ Campbo getting struck down with an injury that has ruined him while chumps continue without a scratch.
It's an indictment on our team that a washed up player who can hardly move and only plays 3 quarters of the game can still be our top posession earner.
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:'( @ Campbo getting struck down with an injury that has ruined him while chumps continue without a scratch.
It's an indictment on our team that a washed up player who can hardly move and only plays 3 quarters of the game can still be our top posession earner.
Its also an inditement on the clowns who continually slur him......I still predict a fist-fight before his career is out.
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wallace wont waste time in getting rid of the usual suspects, he would rather watch us lose with kids ahaving a dip than what he saw on sunday, he just had to try out the same blokes and give them a chance.
my crystal ball says sooner rather than later (not in specific order)
hall will be out ..morro in
tiv out hartigan in
kellaway out gilmore in
chaffey out ....raines in
roach is young and could develop into a good winger but time will tell
polo , meyer, mguane etc
we will develop with time
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:'( @ Campbo getting struck down with an injury that has ruined him while chumps continue without a scratch.
It's an indictment on our team that a washed up player who can hardly move and only plays 3 quarters of the game can still be our top posession earner.
Its also an inditement on the clowns who continually slur him......I still predict a fist-fight before his career is out.
lol om. I'll probably be the one starting it if someone slurs him on his last match.
Campbell's always been more a man of substance than appearance. He does many great sublte things on the footy field that the average numb skull in the stands neither percieves or understands.
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We might need to sit together for his last game. I have a feeling tis going to be a wild one.....Im even considering taping up my fists for this one....
@ X-Cited....Morro? :scream
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We might need to sit together for his last game. I have a feeling tis going to be a wild one.....Im even considering taping up my fists for this one....
lmfaoooo@wearing a mouth guard to the footy.
lmfaoooo@bashing your fellow supporters. ahhh stuff, what have we come to....
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Geelong had pretty good motivation courtesy of TW, and the way they played as a team, as against a few individual efforts from our guys, we didn't have a chance.
I know people disagreed with TW’s comments through last week and I didn’t think it was necessary either, but TW’s approach is a bit different to most other coaches. It backfired this time and probably has many times before too and may in the future.
It’s probably not in his nature to be backward in coming forward. Which is probably a good thing for us, because, in the past, we've probably tried to minimise the damage, hide and cover up any deficiencies and not give the opposition any ammunition against us. What good did it ultimately do? Had TW said nothing and we scraped a narrow loss, or even an unlikely win, that would probably have done more harm than good, in the long-term. This way, we all know how big a task this is.
I agree about the competitive efforts. That’s what I was most disappointed about too.
Thanks for bothering to read through all that OM and Moi. :thumbsup
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I just wanted them to persist with the game plan of running in numbers, linking up and carrying the ball through the middle. We did this in the first quarter and looked very dangerous. But then the usual suspects came through with their predictable turnovers and we went into our shells.
This was my concern with this style of play through the pre season. Not that it would probably make too much difference what game plan we adopted. I don’t know whether this is correct or not, but to me this style seems more likely to expose players for a lack of footy smarts and skill. I wasn’t really sure that we had enough players that could carry it out, in the short-term at least and secretly feared a few shellackings, especially early on.
Had we improved enough and done enough skills work to make it work, to any noticeable degree? We didn’t have to wait long to find out. Under less pressure there will be times when we look good, but it’s under pressure that counts and that’s where we get found out, every time. And if you don’t have enough players who can handle the pressure and do the team things then looking good when minimal pressure is applied means absolutely nothing.
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apparaently morro played really well at chb for coburg on sunday! lets wait n c
tw today said in a press conference he has given all his experienced players and leadership group 1 months notice, "play to my plan and my rules or ur out" they hve been told, its just a matter of time cos he said he wont hesitate to play all the young kids if they dont do as they are instructed!
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But then the usual suspects came through with their predictable turnovers and we went into our shells. Why? Scorboard pressure? This will be Terry's toughest task. To make the players stick to their task despite what the scoreboard is telling them. In saying this however we still have too many unskilled players, and the sooner they are replaced with talented kids the better.
Well said Harry.
Sticking to the coach's gameplan no matter the circumstances is called discipline. Sadly most our long-term senior players severely lack it when the pressure is turned on.
Guys like Gaspar, Kellaway, Chaffey, Hall and Richardson lack fundamental skills and we will continue to be a rabble for as long as we persist with unco-ordinated players like these.
And at least 3 of these are our KP defenders :help.
Three of those named in John's list each made successive turnovers resulting in Cats goals in the first quarter that got Geelong on their merry way and we didn't fire a shot after that. To be a cohesive unit you need faith in your and your teammates' abilities. Pretty hard to have faith in each other's abilites when you play for the turnover kings of the AFL.
It's also hard to man up when you run off your direct opponent to receive the footy and your teammate then passes straight to the opposition who then passes it to your man who's now free :scream. It all comes down to skills and brains and our list is the worst for that reason.
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Guys like Gaspar, Kellaway, Chaffey, Hall and Richardson lack fundamental skills and we will continue to be a rabble for as long as we persist with unco-ordinated players like these.
And at least 3 of these are our KP defenders :help.
Three of those named in John's list each made successive turnovers resulting in Cats goals in the first quarter that got Geelong on their merry way and we didn't fire a shot after that. To be a cohesive unit you need faith in your and your teammates' abilities. Pretty hard to have faith in each other's abilites when you play for the turnover kings of the AFL.
It's also hard to man up when you run off your direct opponent to receive the footy and your teammate then passes straight to the opposition who then passes it to your man who's now free :scream. It all comes down to skills and brains and our list is the worst for that reason.
Hell yeah MT.
It's a catch-22. Do you play to the game plan, try and be creative by offering some run and leaving your opponent behind, only to turn the ball over or have one of your team mates turn the ball over, resulting in your opponent scoring a goal by being left unmanned? Or do you stick to your man, and thereby not leave him free but by so doing not play according to the game plan and not provide any run which can stimmulate attack, whihc in turn places more pressure on the defence?
Skill and footy smarts are the only things that break this catch 22. And at the moment there is a paucity of both.
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wp! did not know u were a kiss fan! i have met gene 3 times, now thare is a smart man! the elder is tghe most underrated album of all time imo ! tell ya what , if the tigers want to be inspired all they have to do is listen and read about genes life story!
;D :'( ;D
Yes a big Kiss fan X - It could be argued that The Elder is the best movie soundtrack ever made! It's just a pity there aint no movie to go with it :help
Actually I thought they could of done a song or 2 off that album when they did the show with the MSO - would of worked a treat IMO
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It's a catch-22. Do you play to the game plan, try and be creative by offering some run and leaving your opponent behind, only to turn the ball over or have one of your team mates turn the ball over, resulting in your opponent scoring a goal by being left unmanned? Or do you stick to your man, and thereby not leave him free but by so doing not play according to the game plan and not provide any run which can stimmulate attack, whihc in turn places more pressure on the defence?
Skill and footy smarts are the only things that break this catch 22. And at the moment there is a paucity of both.
Bloody good point JF, and well made.
As you say, skill and footy smarts are the only things that will break the catch 22 and unfortunately we don't have enough players who possess this. A player who can quickly assess the situation and take off leaving his man having the confidence in his ability to receive the ball and not turn it over. Yes, a Chaffey might follow Terry's game plan of run create, attack, but if doesn't have the awareness of when to run, nor the skill level to deliver, it's a pretty pointless excercise at the end of the day. Aaaaah, Chaffey, as recipient of the Golden Turnip award, you will constantly be mentioned in such examples.
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It's a catch-22. Do you play to the game plan, try and be creative by offering some run and leaving your opponent behind, only to turn the ball over or have one of your team mates turn the ball over, resulting in your opponent scoring a goal by being left unmanned? Or do you stick to your man, and thereby not leave him free but by so doing not play according to the game plan and not provide any run which can stimmulate attack, whihc in turn places more pressure on the defence?
Skill and footy smarts are the only things that break this catch 22. And at the moment there is a paucity of both.
Spot on John.
This is where Wallace just needs to show lots of confidence in the guys who do the right thing and are able to follow and more importantly execute his run and carry gameplan under pressure to break that catch 22 situation. Tell them to keep it up despite what the scoreboard shows nor how many possessions and goals result to their direct opponent from turnovers via their dud teammates. Be self-less and as the list improves year by year you'll be rewarded with winning the footy.
It's an education process (there's that p word again ;)) for Terry as much as it's for the players. Over time those capable in Wallace's eyes of playing in a premiership side will remain while those who don't or can't follow the gameplan either through lack of skill, brains and/or inability to follow instructions under little or alot of pressure will be weeded out. Hence Wallace reading out the riot act yesterday :thumbsup.
Given the contractual arrangements of the regular senior suspects it's going to take until the end of 2006 :( before we get an opportunity to give them all the heave-ho. Until then we either persist with the usual suspects or play more kids. Terry's given the team (and I use that word loosely) until round 8 or whatever to decide their own fate. Either way until the talented kids gain strength and experience at AFL level we just need to make the most of the high draft picks coming our way (and hope the AFL maintains the priority pick system for a little while yet).
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apparaently morro played really well at chb for coburg on sunday! lets wait n c
David Flood on club corner said Morrison has played well the last few games at CHB for Coburg. Stafford was ready to be promoted. Said after an indifferent preseason Hartigan gathered 25 possies or thereabouts so looked like he had regained the form he had last year. Gave a good rapt on Raines' game.
It'll be intereting what Wallace does this week in terms on selections? Too punish as a sign he won't put up with crap like on Sunday or persist with the "best" 22 we went into the season with and not make any knee-jerk reactions. Going by what he said in that article yesterday I'd reckon there'll be only minor changes - Staff and either Raines or Hartigan in and possibly Graham and Techno back to Coburg.
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wp! did not know u were a kiss fan! i have met gene 3 times, now thare is a smart man! the elder is tghe most underrated album of all time imo ! tell ya what , if the tigers want to be inspired all they have to do is listen and read about genes life story!
;D :'( ;D
Yes a big Kiss fan X - It could be argued that The Elder is the best movie soundtrack ever made! It's just a pity there aint no movie to go with it :help
Actually I thought they could of done a song or 2 off that album when they did the show with the MSO - would of worked a treat IMO
still waiting 4 gene to make a movie "the elder", he has his finger , tongue and d--- in every pie!
wp, maybe we should send terry wallace a copy of the song "I" from the elder. u know it, its all about self belief , its a gr8 motivational anthem!! what do u think?
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Lets put it this way:
If you play on and miss kick it and you turn the ball over continually then your time is up.
If you dont play on and your not playing to team rules then your time is up.
Terry only wants players who have some skill and more often then not can play on and hit targets consistently. Ofcourse your not going to be perfect 100% of the time and do mistakes happen but what we saw on the weekend was just garbage.
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Hell yeah MT.
It's a catch-22. Do you play to the game plan, try and be creative by offering some run and leaving your opponent behind, only to turn the ball over or have one of your team mates turn the ball over, resulting in your opponent scoring a goal by being left unmanned? Or do you stick to your man, and thereby not leave him free but by so doing not play according to the game plan and not provide any run which can stimmulate attack, whihc in turn places more pressure on the defence?
Skill and footy smarts are the only things that break this catch 22. And at the moment there is a paucity of both.
Well IMO if we had a few defenders who stuck to their opponent and just tried to shut them down (which Gaspar used to do well), we would be a lot better off.
Kellaway, Chaffey and Hall are absolutely useless with the ball, what is the use of them leaving their opponent to provide run?
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Well IMO if we had a few defenders who stuck to their opponent and just tried to shut them down (which Gaspar used to do well), we would be a lot better off.
If the ball is continually coming into our backline without any midfield pressure it wouldn't matter how much you tried to stick to your opponent, they'd still get it often enough. Geelong just cut us open with their skills and quick movement of the footy.
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What it seems to boil down to is if every player does their bit then things are less likely to get so out of control. Doesn’t mean we’ll win, but if players don’t believe they can rely on their teammates to stick to their role within the team, regardless of circumstances, then no wonder the majority of them lose the plot so quickly and easily when the intensity lifts from the opposition.
Sticking to a task doesn’t necessarily require skill or a footy brain. As they say in the classics, just some good ol’ fashioned G & D.
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FFS. You cant judge anything until 6 games are played. Unfortunately for us, and with the exception of last year, we usually did well and then dropped off under Frawley.
Wallace will see out the first 6 games and then make major changes.
His credibility is on the line if he does a Frawley and puts all his eggs on his senior players.
I'd rather have kids from the Magoos play instead of Kellaway, Hall, Tivendale & Chaffey. I hate Ray Hall. He is not an AFL player. Talk about no skills and no footy brain. That kid would mess up buying fish n chips.
I'm watching with a keen eye whether Wallace is all talk and suntan. My bet is he can get away with anything in his first year, so he wont be afraid to drop the usual suspects.
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What it seems to boil down to is if every player does their bit then things are less likely to get so out of control. Doesn’t mean we’ll win, but if players don’t believe they can rely on their teammates to stick to their role within the team, regardless of circumstances, then no wonder the majority of them lose the plot so quickly and easily when the intensity lifts from the opposition.
Sticking to a task doesn’t necessarily require skill or a footy brain. As they say in the classics, just some good ol’ fashioned G & D.
So true TS.
This week it's back into classroom for lessons on "Switching the play 101", "tackling for beginners" and "manning up for dummies" :-\.