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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Coach on May 02, 2012, 07:34:03 PM
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Maybe a bit early for this but Coach doesn't care.
Moore, McDonald, McGuane all gone & Connors back to the pub. Who else? Webberley, Graham, Browne, Post would all be under pressure. However, at least they're performing quite well in the scoobs (Graham & Webbers especially). Derrickx needs to get more than 10 touches at VFL level. He's 25, not 18. I'd send him packing at years end unless he comes into ones and plays at least 8 games. Probably forgotten a few.
What do you mad hatters think?
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I think we need a poll. And a tea party.
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I think we need a poll. And a tea party.
:clapping
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Some alcoholic beverages too, so that we can add flavour to the discussion. :thumbsup
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All the names you listed Coach are quite probable delistings. That's why i can't see us getting rid of edwards or jacko but they would have to be nervous. White also. Thats why Post may survive from your list.
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All the names you listed Coach are quite probable delistings. That's why i can't see us getting rid of edwards or jacko but they would have to be nervous. White also. Thats why Post may survive from your list.
After his shocker in Round 1 Post needs to get back into the side I think otherwise he may be on the way out.
I don't like his chances as I feel with Batch settling in after an indifferent pre season and the rest of the lads in the backline gelling nicely unless he strings a considerable number of successive games together he will be in trouble.
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We're going to go deep in the draft this year. You'd want to be playing senior footy..
Without thinking too much.
McDonald
Post
Moore
McGuane
Connors
Webberley
Graham
Browne
Derrickx
A Maric
M White
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We're going to go deep in the draft this year. You'd want to be playing senior footy..
Without thinking too much.
McDonald
Post
Moore
McGuane
Connors
Webberley
Graham
Browne
Derrickx
A Maric
M White
We'd have to keep at least one of those Ruckmen and at least one KPD for back up. What happens if big Ivan or Rance goes down?
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We're going to go deep in the draft this year. You'd want to be playing senior footy..
Without thinking too much.
McDonald
Post
Moore
McGuane
Connors
Webberley
Graham
Browne
Derrickx
A Maric
M White
We'd have to keep at least one of those Ruckmen and at least one KPD for back up. What happens if big Ivan or Rance goes down?
The one that stays on the list would be the one who plays more senior footy between the Beefcake and Browne.
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The one that stays on the list would be the one who plays more senior footy between the Beefcake and Browne.
Why it's a regular clash of the titans!
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I reckon Post staying will have a lot to do with Astbury and Griff getting their bodies right. Particularly Astbury, if he comes up from injury and forces himself into contention in the firsts Post is under the pump or on the other side Astbury can't get his body right or can't get past his injury Post will have less to worry about because of lack of depth, you can't count on Griff as depth with his poor injury run plus a possible move back to the forward line.
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We're going to go deep in the draft this year. You'd want to be playing senior footy..
Without thinking too much.
McDonald
Post
Moore
McGuane
Connors
Webberley
Graham
Browne
Derrickx
A Maric
M White
Forgot about Greg White and A.Maric. There's also that Heslin bloke who is already gawn
Greg would want to have cemented a spot by the end of the season if he's going to be with us in 2013. Reckon with Maric there is something good there, brilliant skills. He did spend 4 years at Melbourne though, so maybe he's just not up to it?
Gus stays over Browne.
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Gus is contracted
Browney, did you see his run and bounce on the wing for the Hamburgers on the weekend? 5 year deal coming :shh
Best ruck div in the comp next year
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The one that stays on the list would be the one who plays more senior footy between the Beefcake and Browne.
Exactly. That isn't a list of those who will be delisted. More so those under the pump as the thread title suggests.
I also think that of the best starting 22, Tuck, Edwards, Jackson, Nahas & Miller will all come under scrutiny for trading or delisting.
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Btowne will make a great boot studder............
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Forgot about Greg White and A.Maric. There's also that Heslin bloke who is already gawn
Greg would want to have cemented a spot by the end of the season if he's going to be with us in 2013. Reckon with Maric there is something good there, brilliant skills. He did spend 4 years at Melbourne though, so maybe he's just not up to it?
Gus stays over Browne.
Do you mean Matt White?
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Our plumber was yesterday....
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Craig Cameron.
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Forgot about Greg White and A.Maric. There's also that Heslin bloke who is already gawn
Greg would want to have cemented a spot by the end of the season if he's going to be with us in 2013. Reckon with Maric there is something good there, brilliant skills. He did spend 4 years at Melbourne though, so maybe he's just not up to it?
Gus stays over Browne.
Do you mean Matt White?
No, who is that?
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It's definitely Greg
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It's definitely Greg
There seems to be confusion also on his wiki page????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_White_(footballer)
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It's definitely Greg
Who?? Greg White, Greg Cameron or Shaun Greg?? Could someone please tell me which Greg we are talking about?? :huh
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It's definitely Greg
Who?? Greg White, Greg Cameron or Shaun Greg?? Could someone please tell me which Greg we are talking about?? :huh
So it's not Tony Greg or Greg Chappell then :-\ :'(
:laugh:
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Brady? :laugh:
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Whos Bradley Greggs?
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It's definitely Greg
There seems to be confusion also on his wiki page????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_White_(footballer)
says he was 5st pick in the PSD so no surprises they got his name wrong too
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We're going to go deep in the draft this year. You'd want to be playing senior footy..
Without thinking too much.
McDonald
Post
Moore
McGuane
Connors
Webberley
Graham
Browne
Derrickx
A Maric
M White
I'd add Miller, Dea, nahas and Edwards to that list.
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Maybe a bit early for this but Coach doesn't care.
Moore, McDonald, McGuane all gone & Connors back to the pub. Who else? Webberley, Graham, Browne, Post would all be under pressure. However, at least they're performing quite well in the scoobs (Graham & Webbers especially). Derrickx needs to get more than 10 touches at VFL level. He's 25, not 18. I'd send him packing at years end unless he comes into ones and plays at least 8 games. Probably forgotten a few.
What do you mad hatters think?
Where the bloody he'll is Edwards CD.???
Contracted or not, trade him for $1.50's worth of fish and chips...
MM.......honestly ....
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He seems to be a favourite, WAT. Unless they trade him then he's staying. :s
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Miller and Post just moved a little closer to the edge.
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I want to see Post tried down forward again.
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He doesn't
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in the gun and glass half fulls plus those who are struggling.
browne, bit of a dinosaur
connors, totally stuffed attitude.
derickx, has done nothing at 25.
edwards, glass half full poor skills poor decion making skinny runt.
graham, seems his papers are stamped already.
houli, down hill skier who is limited.
jackson, hack
king, very limited player with no polish.
macdonald, gonski.
a maric rookie on senior list.
mcguane, dud.
miller rookie on senior list.
moore injury,
nahas one sided runt whith no polish.
newman struggling and 30 yrs old. some real wrrying signs the last two yrs.
post seems his papers are already stamped with the lack of opportunity, one dimensional.
vickery yep i put him here he needs to dramatically improve a fair few areas of his game. soft as butter. hes safe for now on the back of last yr but is clearly struggling. was last yr a one off is a good question atm.
webberley average at everything no outstanding assett too small.
white dud.
thats 19 players
can add
tuck at 31 hes probably a severe injury away from it.
astbury only because of injury which has prevented him from developing
griffiths see astbury.
riewoldt clearly safe but struggling big time and has for a good chunk of last yr as well.
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Yep, and with next years mega Draft we can replace them with 19 better players who will all walk straight into the side and take us to thee grand final :wallywink :wallywink
LMFAO at Houli "Down hill skier" :lol has one quiet game and the knives are out! I have an idea, why don't we drop him and put lids back to the the HB flank, Lids is going poo in the midfield anyway, I'm actually shocked he wasn't your number 20 :huh
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Yep, and with next years mega Draft we can replace them with 19 better players who will all walk straight into the side and take us to thee grand final :wallywink :wallywink
LMFAO at Houli "Down hill skier" :lol has one quiet game and the knives are out! I have an idea, why don't we drop him and put lids back to the the HB flank, Lids is going poo in the midfield anyway, I'm actually shocked he wasn't your number 20 :huh
lol at you getting all defensive and upset over an opinion. i didnt expect people to agree with all of it, but hey ive done well if its only houli you object to.
i agree it is a harsh call on him. but hes as soft as they come and not my cup of tea as a player. i also dont believe he can play as a mid for a few reasons. but maybe hes one who should not be on that list atm.
anyone else you object to. i reckon the rest are atm either in the gun, struggling or a proven glass half full. be nice if we could cut em all in one go but in your silliness i have to point out it will probably take 3 yrs to get em all out :wallywink
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Sorry I must have missed the part where I got upset and defensive? I laughed at you yes but I'm pretty sure when someone laughs it generally doesn't mean there upset or defensive?
But sure, why not axe them all because in our eyes there doing or have done nothing! what do we possibly have to loose?..
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But sure, why not axe them all because in our eyes there doing or have done nothing! what do we possibly have to loose?..
sheesh why stop at 19?!
Make it 30 because simple math would show we would draft 18 stars :shh
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Sorry I must have missed the part where I got upset and defensive? I laughed at you yes but I'm pretty sure when someone laughs it generally doesn't mean there upset or defensive?
But sure, why not axe them all because in our eyes there doing or have done nothing! what do we possibly have to loose?..
thats a good question for once, what do we have to lose? imo very little tell me exactly what have most of them achieved on a consistent basis. most have been around awhile now.
exxcluding houli who i agree it was a bit harsh, the simple truth is 18 are either in the gun, strugglling for what ever reason, or glass half fulls based on their strengths and weaknesses. name one who does not fit these criteria. do that and i will gladly admit im wrong do that or stop your freakin sooking put up or shut up.
oh yeah"" you did get upset and defensive but its okay an awful lot of unthinking posters do.
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But sure, why not axe them all because in our eyes there doing or have done nothing! what do we possibly have to loose?..
sheesh why stop at 19?!
Make it 30 because simple math would show we would draft 18 stars :shh
I'm reall looking forward to seeing draft picks 125 to 135 walk straight into the side next year and make an emmidiate impact, who needs these duds like Houli, Reiwoldt, Astbury, Griffiths and Vickery!
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But sure, why not axe them all because in our eyes there doing or have done nothing! what do we possibly have to loose?..
sheesh why stop at 19?!
Make it 30 because simple math would show we would draft 18 stars :shh
oh dont be silly theres not currently 30 in the gun struggling or a glass half full. get with the debate son. ::)
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Well that's your opinion but I disagree and think you are wrong.
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oh yeah"" you did get upset and defensive but its okay an awful lot of unthinking posters do.
I'm sorry, please point out to me again where I got upset and defensive? I may have been a little sarcastic dut I can assure you I'm not upset :lol
Unthinking poster :lol :lol thank god our not the brains trust of the club, we would have no one on the list :lol (and before you mistake that for defensiveness it was actually sarcasm as well ;))
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Well that's your opinion but I disagree and think you are wrong.
Please tone it down Dwaino, no need to get upset or defensive :police: :lol
Oh and BTW, it is Claws opinion and just because you and I think it one of the most dumb ass opinions we've ever read on this forum it doesnt mean we have the right to object to it!
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Well that's your opinion but I disagree and think you are wrong.
Please tone it down Dwaino, no need to get upset or defensive :police: :lol
Sheesh I just get so worked up and ahead of myself sometimes :help :rollin
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oh yeah"" you did get upset and defensive but its okay an awful lot of unthinking posters do.
I'm sorry, please point out to me again where I got upset and defensive? I may have been a little sarcastic dut I can assure you I'm not upset :lol
Unthinking poster :lol :lol thank god our not the brains trust of the club, we would have no one on the list :lol (and before you mistake that for defensiveness it was actually sarcasm as well ;))
yep defensive and unthinking some one suggests theres 19 players who are either under the pump, struggling, or glass half full and a sarcastic reply says to me you have become all defensive over it. unthinking because you fail to address the issues and whats been said. nope instead you lie and twist whats been said. yep most certainly hit a nerve.
aside from houli who ive been big enough to say perhaps he should not be in the 19 mentioned and it was harsh. which others did i get wrong. i mentioned 19 players who are either in the gun struggling or is a glass half full and you come up with one. you come on all defensive whoops sarcastic because i hit a nerve and debate nothing.
i tell you what i will start you off with a couple.
browne in the gun glass half full or struggling.
connors in the gun glass half full or struggling.
derickx in the gun glass half full or struggling
its not hard to reply in kind without the oh yeah sarcasm. prove me wrong.
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Well that's your opinion but I disagree and think you are wrong.
what that theres not 30 in the gun struggling or glass half full.
cmon son you can be better than that im wrong which player am i wrong about with that criteria. surely you can give me the courtesy of actually answering who after attempting to take the pee out of me. cmon im interested to see where im wrong im sure other posters are as well.
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:fishing :dancing
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in the gun and glass half fulls plus those who are struggling.
I love a good claw delisting post.
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in the gun and glass half fulls plus those who are struggling.
I love a good claw delisting post.
ah magic you seem to be able to read a post unlike some around here.
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i tell ya what boys im going to bed so you can take a free shot or 10 at me but i will be back tommorrow to see if tas and his little helper have the balls to actually answer me and show me where im wrong. do your best kiddies im looking forward to it.
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Maybe after some rest you might get a little better at the Internet. Better luck next time, sport :thumbsup
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Maybe after some rest you might get a little better at the Internet. Better luck next time, sport :thumbsup
The Celery General has spoken.
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browne, bit of a dinosaur probably agree but we will need to keep at least one of brown or Graham.
connors, totally stuffed attitude. Agree Gone
derickx, has done nothing at 25.Agree, would need to have a ripper second half of the season
edwards, glass half full poor skills poor decion making skinny runt. Edwards is getting a senior game and will so until we have the depth to push him out, he will be there next year
graham, seems his papers are stamped already. See Browne
houli, down hill skier who is limited. Compleate Rubish
jackson, hackA hack I would agree but once again he will stay on the list until he can be pushed out
king, very limited player with no polish.agree, has had good games but is to inconsistent, trade
macdonald, gonski. correct
a maric rookie on senior list.A rookie anyway, happy for him to stay there
mcguane, dud. Delist
miller rookie on senior list. will be lucky to get another year but has played his roll well to date
moore injury,Unlucky run but will most likely be deilistef
nahas one sided runt whith no polish.see Edwards and Jackson
newman struggling and 30 yrs old. some real wrrying signs the last two yrs. not sure what was worrying about last season but has defiantly slowed up this year, he Won't be delisted at seasons end tough
post seems his papers are already stamped with the lack of opportunity, one dimensional. aree, will need to turn it around big time to save his place
vickery yep i put him here he needs to dramatically improve a fair few areas of his game. soft as butter. hes safe for now on the back of last yr but is clearly struggling. was last yr a one off is a good question atm. Agree with your assement of him at the moment but he has shown he can play, won be delisted for at least 2 more seasons after this
webberley average at everything no outstanding assett too small.Agree, Delist
white dud.Times up, Delist
thats 19 players
can add
tuck at 31 hes probably a severe injury away from it. agree but his father has shown he could just as easily go on forever
astbury only because of injury which has prevented him from developing will get at least 2 more seasons after this
griffiths see astbury.Need to get a good run at it soon, has at least 1 - 2 seasons left after this one
riewoldt clearly safe but struggling big time and has for a good chunk of last yr as well.safe as houses
So there we go Claw, using a little bit of reality and common sence I have managed to cut your lis of 19 delists back to 7 + 2 rookies. I believe with such a strong draft and the introduction of free agency the may be another 1 or 2 added to that list but there sure as hell won't be 19 players delisted.
Happy now??
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Maybe after some rest you might get a little better at the Internet. Better luck next time, sport :thumbsup
The Celery General has spoken.
:shh nothing like a good celery, chilli, spinach, potato and red lentil soup for the pernicious anaemic. :thumbsup
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Maybe after some rest you might get a little better at the Internet. Better luck next time, sport :thumbsup
The Celery General has spoken.
:shh nothing like a good celery, chilli, spinach, potato and red lentil soup for the pernicious anaemic. :thumbsup
Carefull Dwaino, who knows how Claw will take that :lol :lol
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Cant delist browne and derick.
That leaves you with maric and graham. 2 ruckman is too few :o
Browne is young for a ruckman. Derickx only played one year of wafl and did well.
Are thr state league. Or the 18 yoa ruckman we are going to use important picks on going to be any better?
Even post is young for a tall. Vickery is just a rubbish call.
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Vickery
I wonder where his career would be if it wasnt for his dad
How on earth he gets a game this week on the back of a poor start to the year is beyond belief.
Feel sorry for Post
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How can a boxing coach get you a game?
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How can a boxing coach get you a game?
More than a boxing coach, would Richmond look at him in the first place ?
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YeH shocked his takin millers spot ::)
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How can a boxing coach get you a game?
More than a boxing coach, would Richmond look at him in the first place ?
Eff your an idiot poo stirrer! Of cours we were going to take the best tall available with our first pick, we had FA Tall's at the time and Vickery was very highly rated. There was even talk at one stage he may have gone top 3 so clearly the club was cuffed when he fell to us.
What tall should we have take in you opinion? McKernan, Trengove? C'mon mate it wouldn't have mattered who we took you would still be hanging crap on the player and blaming the recruiters for the pick :wallywink
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YeH shocked his takin millers spot ::)
you tell me something clown
How on earth he gets a game (Vickery) is beyond belief. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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How can a boxing coach get you a game?
More than a boxing coach, would Richmond look at him in the first place ?
Eff your an idiot poo stirrer! Of cours we were going to take the best tall available with our first pick, we had FA Tall's at the time and Vickery was very highly rated. There was even talk at one stage he may have gone top 3 so clearly the club was cuffed when he fell to us.
What tall should we have take in you opinion? McKernan, Trengove? C'mon mate it wouldn't have mattered who we took you would still be hanging crap on the player and blaming the recruiters for the pick :wallywink
What garbage
He had a knee injury and didnt play many games in his last year in TAC
FACT !
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YeH shocked his takin millers spot ::)
you tell me something clown
How on earth he gets a game (Vickery) is beyond belief. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Let's think.......He gets a game because A. He is important to our structure. B. He has plenty of credits from last year where he actually looked poo hot for a 3rd year tall and C. For the club to move forward we have to keep these young guys in the side! Miller was gifted a golden opportunity and he blew it! It's time for someone else to step up.
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also he had the lowest kick to handball ratio of ANY player drafted
I hope the kid make it ,
although the club said it wasnt gifting players games anymore
His selection this week is purely a gift
feel sorry for Post
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CLEARLY A GIFTED GAME THIS WEEK
WHO AGREES ?
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YeH shocked his takin millers spot ::)
you tell me something clown
How on earth he gets a game (Vickery) is beyond belief. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Let's think.......He gets a game because A. He is important to our structure. B. He has plenty of credits from last year where he actually looked poo hot for a 3rd year tall and C. For the club to move forward we have to keep these young guys in the side! Miller was gifted a golden opportunity and he blew it! It's time for someone else to step up.
Yes, J. Post
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CLEARLY A GIFTED GAME THIS WEEK
WHO AGREES ?
So dropping an out of form forward and replacing him with our next best is gifting someone a game? Or are you saying Post is clearly better than Vickery?
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Have to say based on what I saw at the Coburg game last week - Post doesn't deserve a game this week, Griffiths YEP; Post NOPE
As for Vickery - agree he is lucky as he has been horribly out of form but so has another key forward who hasn't bee dropped either ;D
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CLEARLY A GIFTED GAME THIS WEEK
WHO AGREES ?
So dropping an out of form forward and replacing him with our next best is gifting someone a game? Or are you saying Post is clearly better than Vickery?
YES
Vickery has done nothing in 2012 and its ROUND 9 this week
Please spare me
Your doing my head in
Other clubs laugh at us for a reason
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Tiger from Tas
You are back on the IGNORE list
Your a clown if you think Vickery deserves to get a game
GOOD BYE !
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Post wont get a game because he was shocking in round one, and is being made to earn his position by being more agressive at the contest and the man.
Vickery gets a game because he can play ruck and give maric a chop out. Also because he finished 5th in the best and fairest and is a 200cm forward ruckman. You dont lose abilitity but you can lose form, absolute key to the tigers future that he turns it around, and will be given every opportunity.
Griffiths gets a game because he is a 200cm key back, who can also play forward in20 years old, is super quick and can kick the ball 70 metres. With Grimes out, Griffiths is a much better chance of stopping Roughead and the resting Hale than Post, who was absolutelu killed in round 1 against the Hampson ( some people have very short memories )
I don't think people understand how crucial that big, key back position is to fill. If Griff can hold down that position, it means that we don't need to target a KB in free agency, and we can focus on our other needs, midfield depth, and a Ryan O'Keefe type.
Miller has been dropped because Vickery may play in a tiger premiership, but Miller definatly wont.
Both decisions are completely rational and logical
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CLEARLY A GIFTED GAME THIS WEEK
WHO AGREES ?
So dropping an out of form forward and replacing him with our next best is gifting someone a game? Or are you saying Post is clearly better than Vickery?
YES
Vickery has done nothing in 2012 and its ROUND 9 this week
Please spare me
Your doing my head in
Other clubs laugh at us for a reason
And what has Post done exactly? Kicked 4 in a quarter from 9 games, wow he is on Fire :o
Mate as much as you would like to think it, you clearly have No Idea! You just have to go back through the 30 pages of Rance bashing where you repeatedly said he wouldn't make it, the posts where you said we stuffed the Conca pick up and now your calling the Vickery pick a dud even though he had a stand out season last year :lol
All this hate four our recruiters now yet you often fail to mention you were actually a part of our recruiting team in an era where we drafted Tambling, Jon, Patterson, Myer and a plethora of other duds that are no longer on our list! Where do you you get you credibility from? Oh thats right You Have None, because you have been a recruiter too and you Stuffed it far worse than the guys we have today. Actualy I would go as far as saying that it's because of You that we have had to turn the list over so severely, that we have been forced to play young players now for 3 seasons and our draft pick of late have been somewhat compromised because we have had to pick players to fill gaps ant not get best available all because of your incompetences 6 to 8 years ago!
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Post wont get a game because he was shocking in round one, and is being made to earn his position by being more agressive at the contest and the man.
Vickery gets a game because he can play ruck and give maric a chop out. Also because he finished 5th in the best and fairest and is a 200cm forward ruckman. You dont lose abilitity but you can lose form, absolute key to the tigers future that he turns it around, and will be given every opportunity.
Griffiths gets a game because he is a 200cm key back, who can also play forward in20 years old, is super quick and can kick the ball 70 metres. With Grimes out, Griffiths is a much better chance of stopping Roughead and the resting Hale than Post, who was absolutelu killed in round 1 against the Hampson ( some people have very short memories )
I don't think people understand how crucial that big, key back position is to fill. If Griff can hold down that position, it means that we don't need to target a KB in free agency, and we can focus on our other needs, midfield depth, and a Ryan O'Keefe type.
Miller has been dropped because Vickery may play in a tiger premiership, but Miller definatly wont.
Both decisions are completely rational and logical
THAT'S IT
YOURE ON THE IGNORE LIST
FACT!
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Post isnt getting games for the same reason A.Maric isn't
Lacks the minerals
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After watching Ivan run himself into the ground the last 2 weeks without any support, I'm just glad he has someone there for support again.
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Have you ever noticed that Jackstar only ever put those who challenge him on his ignore list :lol it's so he dosnt have to answer the questions that he doesn't have answers too because he has No Idea in the first place :lol :lol
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After watching Ivan run himself into the ground the last 2 weeks without any support, I'm just glad he has someone there for support again.
Exactly! Vickery was the common sence pick and until he is challenged by Derickx for his spot he won't be going anywhere! But hey what would we know ;)
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browne, bit of a dinosaur probably agree but we will need to keep at least one of brown or Graham.
connors, totally stuffed attitude. Agree Gone
derickx, has done nothing at 25.Agree, would need to have a ripper second half of the season
edwards, glass half full poor skills poor decion making skinny runt. Edwards is getting a senior game and will so until we have the depth to push him out, he will be there next year
graham, seems his papers are stamped already. See Browne
houli, down hill skier who is limited. Compleate Rubish
jackson, hackA hack I would agree but once again he will stay on the list until he can be pushed out
king, very limited player with no polish.agree, has had good games but is to inconsistent, trade
macdonald, gonski. correct
a maric rookie on senior list.A rookie anyway, happy for him to stay there
mcguane, dud. Delist
miller rookie on senior list. will be lucky to get another year but has played his roll well to date
moore injury,Unlucky run but will most likely be deilistef
nahas one sided runt whith no polish.see Edwards and Jackson
newman struggling and 30 yrs old. some real wrrying signs the last two yrs. not sure what was worrying about last season but has defiantly slowed up this year, he Won't be delisted at seasons end tough
post seems his papers are already stamped with the lack of opportunity, one dimensional. aree, will need to turn it around big time to save his place
vickery yep i put him here he needs to dramatically improve a fair few areas of his game. soft as butter. hes safe for now on the back of last yr but is clearly struggling. was last yr a one off is a good question atm. Agree with your assement of him at the moment but he has shown he can play, won be delisted for at least 2 more seasons after this
webberley average at everything no outstanding assett too small.Agree, Delist
white dud.Times up, Delist
thats 19 players
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tuck at 31 hes probably a severe injury away from it. agree but his father has shown he could just as easily go on forever
astbury only because of injury which has prevented him from developing will get at least 2 more seasons after this
griffiths see astbury.Need to get a good run at it soon, has at least 1 - 2 seasons left after this one
riewoldt clearly safe but struggling big time and has for a good chunk of last yr as well.safe as houses
So there we go Claw, using a little bit of reality and common sence I have managed to cut your lis of 19 delists back to 7 + 2 rookies. I believe with such a strong draft and the introduction of free agency the may be another 1 or 2 added to that list but there sure as hell won't be 19 players delisted.
Happy now??
for starters i cant read that scribble secondly the criteria clearly set was,IN THE GUN, GLASS HALF FULL AND STRUGGLING.nothing about delisting all.
I totally disagree with your post. right at this moment all of those players fall into at least one of those categories
in reply
browne - well your right but we will keep one of browne derickx or graham. but all are being evaluated. that means all are in the gun. all are glass half fulls and struggling well graham is going okay at coburg.
graham- see browne
derickx - see browne.
connors - you agree bloody hell unbelievable.
edwards - so you think he needs to be pushed out in time, i assume that is because of his deficiencies that make him a glass half full. your wrong he fits the criteria but hes got photos or something and is safe for what ever reason. should not have been given a contract extension.
jackson - you agree he fits two criteria. for what ever reason he is not in the gun and people think the club get everything right lol.
king - agree. he also fits two criteria but is not in the gun like jackson they love their glass half fulls at richmond.
macdonald - not only in the gun but already shot. agree. shame he does have talent.
a maric - you dont get it im happy to give him and others another yr but he is struggling probably in the gun and has serious flaws.
mcguane- agree.
miller - struggling has done all yr only thing saved him is he hasnt struggled as much as others. many weaknesses and in the gun. agree.
moore - agree purely an injury thing but hes struggling because of it.
nahas - i think you agree. hes a glass half full. he has struggled in most games but he is safe. why is beyond me should also be in the gun.
newman = struggled last yr in a lot of games, then got hurt late and this yr he has been mainly poor. not in the gun but struggling close to retirement id say.
post - i think you agree hes in the gun, struggled at afl level and seems a mark kick player. would definately hang onto him for 1 more yr.
vickery - you agree hes struggling. clearly not in the gun but watch out next yr if his form continues. one just passable season does not make a player i would have thought this lesson was firmly driven home to all supporters by now but clearly it hasnt.
webberley - you agree.
white - you agree.
imo every single one falls into one of the categories that you felt the need to be sarcastic about. not all are in the gun which is something you cant seem to grasp. which ones need to go first well obviously uncontracted ones. trouble is the way cameron goes about it very few are ever uncontracted come seasons end.
imo jackson king edwards are safe due to contracts lol. nahas is a pet, newman is the skipper but can go to the vets list to free up a spot.vickery is safe for now and i think miller will be retained as a mature rookie if we are allowed. one of the three ruckmen mentioned will be retained out of need.
that leaves about 10 on tenterhooks depending on contracts and i would not be surprised if craig cameron has not already signed most of those.
my personal opinion is.
list proper
delist - white. mcguane, webberley. macdonald, king, connors. macdonald aside they have given us absolutely zilch. and have had yrs.
retire - moore. i think this what will happen but if he finds some touch late in the season he may want to go on.
trade - graham ruckmen have trade value could bundle him up with say pick 48 for pick 30.
vets list - newman. would definately do this if we have a graham scenario.
creates 9 spots - 5 nd picks, 1 trade for a need. 1 psd pick on a mature player. 2 from state league depending on how good they have been otherwise rookie them.
will probably have only 2 or 3 rookie picks imo as well.
finally thank you for at the least pointing out what you actually think with some substance rather than just taking sarcastic shots. we disagree im sure we can disagree without the angst and sarcasm.i will reply with kind if its aimed at me.
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Thanks for clearing it all up for us Claw, your above post is more detailed and makes far more sense than your original. It is a great post and personally I think you have hit the nail on the head with all of it.
Just on being under the pump and the glass half full types, every team has them. The difference between our glass half full types and there's is we are forced to keep playing ours because we don't have the depth to push them out! I am more than happy to retain Nahas, King, Edwards and Jackson just because they would be very handy as back up whilst they play most of there games a coburg but until l we can permanently get them out of the side unfortunately we are stuck with them!
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Vickery
I wonder where his career would be if it wasnt for his dad
How on earth he gets a game this week on the back of a poor start to the year is beyond belief.
Feel sorry for Post
My god you are dumb
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Vickery
I wonder where his career would be if it wasnt for his dad
How on earth he gets a game this week on the back of a poor start to the year is beyond belief.
Feel sorry for Post
My god you are dumb
I actually reckon your Dumb
This kid cant get a kick
Its very obvious , 2 sets of rules at Punt Rd.
Quote from Dimma, no more gifted games ::)
Your theory is why the RFC has been a joke for the past 20 years and a failure on the field
Now dont facts get in the way of your theory.
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Vickery
I wonder where his career would be if it wasnt for his dad
How on earth he gets a game this week on the back of a poor start to the year is beyond belief.
Feel sorry for Post
My god you are dumb
I actually reckon your Dumb
This kid cant get a kick
Its very obvious , 2 sets of rules at Punt Rd.
Quote from Dimma, no more gifted games ::)
Your theory is why the RFC has been a joke for the past 20 years and a failure on the :lolfield
Now dont facts get in the way of your theory.
:lol :lol :lol just adding more currency to your credibility mate :lol vickery can't kick now :lol our second highest goal scorer from last season has jut forgotten how to kick :lol :rollin
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So you playing players on last years performances
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard
Round 9 tomorrow
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:shh
So you playing players on last years performances
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard
Round 9 tomorrow
Hey, go back through the post's, Actualy answer some of the questions that have been asked of you then comback and give us your thoughtfully insights :lol as its been pointed out to you many times before, you have no credibility, nobody cares what you think! And if you want someone to blame (and you do seem hellbent on dragging someone over the coals) hen go back and have a look at who was recruited at he club while you held a role in our recruitIng department :lol I'm pretty sure you will see where it all started to go wrong ;)
And BTW I think your ignore button is broken again :lol
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Wasn't in recruiting
Get your facts correct
You are one of 8 ignored imbeciles that on occasions I will read your rubbish posts and boy are they rubbish
On your theory .the RFC has been successful
Facts are we lose tomorrow .season over !
Yet another year down the drain
Might further add I think we can win
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:shhSo you playing players on last years performances
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard
Round 9 tomorrow
Hey dipstick, go back through the post's, Actualy answer some of the questions that have been asked of you then comback and give us your thoughtfully insights :lol as its been pointed out to you many times before, you have no credibility, nobody cares what you think! And if you want someone to blame (and you do seem hellbent on dragging someone over the coals) hen go back and have a look at who was recruited at he club while you held a role in our recruitIng department :lol I'm pretty sure you will see where it all started to go wrong ;)
And BTW I think your ignore button is broken again :lol
I will answer anything you want.just ask although seeing you are on my ignore list .i might ignore your garbage
Thank god for the ignore list
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:shhSo you playing players on last years performances
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard
Round 9 tomorrow
Hey dipstick, go back through the post's, Actualy answer some of the questions that have been asked of you then comback and give us your thoughtfully insights :lol as its been pointed out to you many times before, you have no credibility, nobody cares what you think! And if you want someone to blame (and you do seem hellbent on dragging someone over the coals) hen go back and have a look at who was recruited at he club while you held a role in our recruitIng department :lol I'm pretty sure you will see where it all started to go wrong ;)
And BTW I think your ignore button is broken again :lol
I will answer anything you want.just ask although seeing you are on my ignore list .i might ignore your garbage
Thank god for the ignore list
Mate, you are the KING of not answering the hard questions and unless Everyone is on your ignore list then I take it you clearly just don't have the answers :lol
Sorry I got my facts wrong, I didn't realise that Paid talent scouts didn't have anything to do with recruiting for the club they were employed by, silly me ::) ::)
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Might further add why on earth I would want to answer your questions.seriously
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Anyway.your ignored again along with 7 other of your abusive pals so don't bother replying
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Anyway.your ignored again along with 7 other of your abusive pals so don't bother replying
:lol :lol :lol 2nd time today you have told me this, lets see how long it lasts this time :lol :lol
BTW, you have once again managed to avoid answering the questions! Its like magic :santa :santa
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Anyway.your ignored again along with 7 other of your abusive pals so don't bother replying
Mate, that's 7 more friends than you've got. And no, in the real world celebs you spot in traffic don't count as friends :-*
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Just as well Jackstar won't see that post cause it was quite hurtful.
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Just as well Jackstar won't see that post cause it was quite hurtful.
Marco...?
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Jackstar
Now about this gifting games crap you go on about.
What is the difference between gifting a player a game by promoting him too early and gifting a player a game by leaving him in the side and not dropping him?
Time to give that chestnut a rest.
:thumbsup :shh :bow
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Don't try and unhitch your wagon now 65 :lol
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Enough with the personal sniping ppl! Back to the topic!!!
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browne, bit of a dinosaur probably agree but we will need to keep at least one of brown or Graham.
connors, totally stuffed attitude. Agree Gone
derickx, has done nothing at 25.Agree, would need to have a ripper second half of the season
edwards, glass half full poor skills poor decion making skinny runt. Edwards is getting a senior game and will so until we have the depth to push him out, he will be there next year
graham, seems his papers are stamped already. See Browne
houli, down hill skier who is limited. Compleate Rubish
jackson, hackA hack I would agree but once again he will stay on the list until he can be pushed out
king, very limited player with no polish.agree, has had good games but is to inconsistent, trade
macdonald, gonski. correct
a maric rookie on senior list.A rookie anyway, happy for him to stay there
mcguane, dud. Delist
miller rookie on senior list. will be lucky to get another year but has played his roll well to date
moore injury,Unlucky run but will most likely be deilistef
nahas one sided runt whith no polish.see Edwards and Jackson
newman struggling and 30 yrs old. some real wrrying signs the last two yrs. not sure what was worrying about last season but has defiantly slowed up this year, he Won't be delisted at seasons end tough
post seems his papers are already stamped with the lack of opportunity, one dimensional. aree, will need to turn it around big time to save his place
vickery yep i put him here he needs to dramatically improve a fair few areas of his game. soft as butter. hes safe for now on the back of last yr but is clearly struggling. was last yr a one off is a good question atm. Agree with your assement of him at the moment but he has shown he can play, won be delisted for at least 2 more seasons after this
webberley average at everything no outstanding assett too small.Agree, Delist
white dud.Times up, Delist
thats 19 players
can add
tuck at 31 hes probably a severe injury away from it. agree but his father has shown he could just as easily go on forever
astbury only because of injury which has prevented him from developing will get at least 2 more seasons after this
griffiths see astbury.Need to get a good run at it soon, has at least 1 - 2 seasons left after this one
riewoldt clearly safe but struggling big time and has for a good chunk of last yr as well.safe as houses
So there we go Claw, using a little bit of reality and common sence I have managed to cut your lis of 19 delists back to 7 + 2 rookies. I believe with such a strong draft and the introduction of free agency the may be another 1 or 2 added to that list but there sure as hell won't be 19 players delisted.
Happy now??
for starters i cant read that scribble secondly the criteria clearly set was,IN THE GUN, GLASS HALF FULL AND STRUGGLING.nothing about delisting all.
I totally disagree with your post. right at this moment all of those players fall into at least one of those categories
in reply
browne - well your right but we will keep one of browne derickx or graham. but all are being evaluated. that means all are in the gun. all are glass half fulls and struggling well graham is going okay at coburg.
graham- see browne
derickx - see browne.
connors - you agree bloody hell unbelievable.
edwards - so you think he needs to be pushed out in time, i assume that is because of his deficiencies that make him a glass half full. your wrong he fits the criteria but hes got photos or something and is safe for what ever reason. should not have been given a contract extension.
jackson - you agree he fits two criteria. for what ever reason he is not in the gun and people think the club get everything right lol.
king - agree. he also fits two criteria but is not in the gun like jackson they love their glass half fulls at richmond.
macdonald - not only in the gun but already shot. agree. shame he does have talent.
a maric - you dont get it im happy to give him and others another yr but he is struggling probably in the gun and has serious flaws.
mcguane- agree.
miller - struggling has done all yr only thing saved him is he hasnt struggled as much as others. many weaknesses and in the gun. agree.
moore - agree purely an injury thing but hes struggling because of it.
nahas - i think you agree. hes a glass half full. he has struggled in most games but he is safe. why is beyond me should also be in the gun.
newman = struggled last yr in a lot of games, then got hurt late and this yr he has been mainly poor. not in the gun but struggling close to retirement id say.
post - i think you agree hes in the gun, struggled at afl level and seems a mark kick player. would definately hang onto him for 1 more yr.
vickery - you agree hes struggling. clearly not in the gun but watch out next yr if his form continues. one just passable season does not make a player i would have thought this lesson was firmly driven home to all supporters by now but clearly it hasnt.
webberley - you agree.
white - you agree.
imo every single one falls into one of the categories that you felt the need to be sarcastic about. not all are in the gun which is something you cant seem to grasp. which ones need to go first well obviously uncontracted ones. trouble is the way cameron goes about it very few are ever uncontracted come seasons end.
imo jackson king edwards are safe due to contracts lol. nahas is a pet, newman is the skipper but can go to the vets list to free up a spot.vickery is safe for now and i think miller will be retained as a mature rookie if we are allowed. one of the three ruckmen mentioned will be retained out of need.
that leaves about 10 on tenterhooks depending on contracts and i would not be surprised if craig cameron has not already signed most of those.
my personal opinion is.
list proper
delist - white. mcguane, webberley. macdonald, king, connors. macdonald aside they have given us absolutely zilch. and have had yrs.
retire - moore. i think this what will happen but if he finds some touch late in the season he may want to go on.
trade - graham ruckmen have trade value could bundle him up with say pick 48 for pick 30.
vets list - newman. would definately do this if we have a graham scenario.
creates 9 spots - 5 nd picks, 1 trade for a need. 1 psd pick on a mature player. 2 from state league depending on how good they have been otherwise rookie them.
will probably have only 2 or 3 rookie picks imo as well.
finally thank you for at the least pointing out what you actually think with some substance rather than just taking sarcastic shots. we disagree im sure we can disagree without the angst and sarcasm.i will reply with kind if its aimed at me.
Without going through each individual player. i want to add one thing.. We have a list that is improving to a level that is getting there and will no doubt be playing finals soon enough. The thing i notice about your post Mr Claw is you never allow for the grunts of the team, the players that arent elite but do their job. Arent the most skilled but do their job, arent the most charismatic but do their job..
Delisting so many players in this next off season would IMO be a bad move.. As has been proven many times, a good team comes from not having a group of Judds and Abletts, but putting together a group that all work in the same direction, like each other and are united in the quest.
For mine changes will be players like McDonald and rookies that havent cut it. Other than that we trade for elite players and keep drafting 3-4 youngsters..
Having 9-10 18 year olds come into the side would be disastrous to club culture..
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Wasn't in recruiting
Get your facts correct
You are one of 8 ignored imbeciles that on occasions I will read your rubbish posts and boy are they rubbish
On your theory .the RFC has been successful
Facts are we lose tomorrow .season over !
Yet another year down the drain
Might further add I think we can win
Jack I actually think that if we win one of our next two and are 4-6 after 10 with upcoming games against
Fremantle MCG
GWS away
Adelaide AAMI
Melbourne MCG
Gold Coast Cairns
Nought MCG
We can certainly have something to play for in the last half dozen games.
Other than Adelaide we would fancy our chances given the way we have played this season.
9-7 after 16 means season alive to me.
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very funny thread what with the ignore button and all.
just on vickery and post.
i havent looked at their stats but vickerys first two yrs were very ordinary yet we gifted him what 25 odd games in that time hmm might be 27 i think. his stats in all areas would still be poor bar the 36 goals he kicked last yr.
post i would say in most categories would be statistically as good if not better yet most want to give him the heave ho as quick as we can blink, never to be seen again.
but wish to keep on giving vikery more games. despite stats that say hes performing worse than post and as poor as his first yr.
he was gifted 6 games in a row for one of the poorest returns ive ever seen from any afl footballer. yet he wasnt dropped injury forced their hand.
surely we can afford post a similar time frame if he is ever picked to play seniors again.
why was vickery not forced to come back thru coburg shocking preseason 6 deplorable games and two weeks injured what are they doing.
it has seemed like there is one set of rules for some and a different set of rules for others. it also seems to me vickery is picked this yr not on form or performance but purely on team structure. what i dont get is hes giving nothing witches hat is a good description why not try someone else and stop gifting this bloke games.
its indeed a sad state of affairs and an indictment on list management when you are forced to give a witches hat a game because the excuse is theres no viable option otherwise.
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Really have to win tomorrow
Saints no push over
To make the eight you will need 13 wins this year ?
As West Coast .Swans and Adelaide will win the majority of there home games
The other 5 spots look likely to go to Collingwood .Hawthorn Essendon.Carlton Geelong ?
Saints Freo and us miss ??
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very funny thread what with the ignore button and all.
just on vickery and post.
i havent looked at their stats but vickerys first two yrs were very ordinary yet we gifted him what 25 odd games in that time hmm might be 27 i think. his stats in all areas would still be poor bar the 36 goals he kicked last yr.
post i would say in most categories would be statistically as good if not better yet most want to give him the heave ho as quick as we can blink, never to be seen again.
but wish to keep on giving vikery more games. despite stats that say hes performing worse than post and as poor as his first yr.
he was gifted 6 games in a row for one of the poorest returns ive ever seen from any afl footballer. yet he wasnt dropped injury forced their hand.
surely we can afford post a similar time frame if he is ever picked to play seniors again.
why was vickery not forced to come back thru coburg shocking preseason 6 deplorable games and two weeks injured what are they doing.
it has seemed like there is one set of rules for some and a different set of rules for others. it also seems to me vickery is picked this yr not on form or performance but purely on team structure. what i dont get is hes giving nothing witches hat is a good description why not try someone else and stop gifting this bloke games.
its indeed a sad state of affairs and an indictment on list management when you are forced to give a witches hat a game because the excuse is theres no viable option otherwise.
Thank you
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very funny thread what with the ignore button and all.
just on vickery and post.
i havent looked at their stats but vickerys first two yrs were very ordinary yet we gifted him what 25 odd games in that time hmm might be 27 i think. his stats in all areas would still be poor bar the 36 goals he kicked last yr.
post i would say in most categories would be statistically as good if not better yet most want to give him the heave ho as quick as we can blink, never to be seen again.
but wish to keep on giving vikery more games. despite stats that say hes performing worse than post and as poor as his first yr.
he was gifted 6 games in a row for one of the poorest returns ive ever seen from any afl footballer. yet he wasnt dropped injury forced their hand.
surely we can afford post a similar time frame if he is ever picked to play seniors again.
why was vickery not forced to come back thru coburg shocking preseason 6 deplorable games and two weeks injured what are they doing.
it has seemed like there is one set of rules for some and a different set of rules for others. it also seems to me vickery is picked this yr not on form or performance but purely on team structure. what i dont get is hes giving nothing witches hat is a good description why not try someone else and stop gifting this bloke games.
its indeed a sad state of affairs and an indictment on list management when you are forced to give a witches hat a game because the excuse is theres no viable option otherwise.
Thank you
I agree take the Credit where its due :lol Wait, who said that???
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browne, bit of a dinosaur probably agree but we will need to keep at least one of brown or Graham.
connors, totally stuffed attitude. Agree Gone
derickx, has done nothing at 25.Agree, would need to have a ripper second half of the season
edwards, glass half full poor skills poor decion making skinny runt. Edwards is getting a senior game and will so until we have the depth to push him out, he will be there next year
graham, seems his papers are stamped already. See Browne
houli, down hill skier who is limited. Compleate Rubish
jackson, hackA hack I would agree but once again he will stay on the list until he can be pushed out
king, very limited player with no polish.agree, has had good games but is to inconsistent, trade
macdonald, gonski. correct
a maric rookie on senior list.A rookie anyway, happy for him to stay there
mcguane, dud. Delist
miller rookie on senior list. will be lucky to get another year but has played his roll well to date
moore injury,Unlucky run but will most likely be deilistef
nahas one sided runt whith no polish.see Edwards and Jackson
newman struggling and 30 yrs old. some real wrrying signs the last two yrs. not sure what was worrying about last season but has defiantly slowed up this year, he Won't be delisted at seasons end tough
post seems his papers are already stamped with the lack of opportunity, one dimensional. aree, will need to turn it around big time to save his place
vickery yep i put him here he needs to dramatically improve a fair few areas of his game. soft as butter. hes safe for now on the back of last yr but is clearly struggling. was last yr a one off is a good question atm. Agree with your assement of him at the moment but he has shown he can play, won be delisted for at least 2 more seasons after this
webberley average at everything no outstanding assett too small.Agree, Delist
white dud.Times up, Delist
thats 19 players
can add
tuck at 31 hes probably a severe injury away from it. agree but his father has shown he could just as easily go on forever
astbury only because of injury which has prevented him from developing will get at least 2 more seasons after this
griffiths see astbury.Need to get a good run at it soon, has at least 1 - 2 seasons left after this one
riewoldt clearly safe but struggling big time and has for a good chunk of last yr as well.safe as houses
So there we go Claw, using a little bit of reality and common sence I have managed to cut your lis of 19 delists back to 7 + 2 rookies. I believe with such a strong draft and the introduction of free agency the may be another 1 or 2 added to that list but there sure as hell won't be 19 players delisted.
Happy now??
for starters i cant read that scribble secondly the criteria clearly set was,IN THE GUN, GLASS HALF FULL AND STRUGGLING.nothing about delisting all.
I totally disagree with your post. right at this moment all of those players fall into at least one of those categories
in reply
browne - well your right but we will keep one of browne derickx or graham. but all are being evaluated. that means all are in the gun. all are glass half fulls and struggling well graham is going okay at coburg.
graham- see browne
derickx - see browne.
connors - you agree bloody hell unbelievable.
edwards - so you think he needs to be pushed out in time, i assume that is because of his deficiencies that make him a glass half full. your wrong he fits the criteria but hes got photos or something and is safe for what ever reason. should not have been given a contract extension.
jackson - you agree he fits two criteria. for what ever reason he is not in the gun and people think the club get everything right lol.
king - agree. he also fits two criteria but is not in the gun like jackson they love their glass half fulls at richmond.
macdonald - not only in the gun but already shot. agree. shame he does have talent.
a maric - you dont get it im happy to give him and others another yr but he is struggling probably in the gun and has serious flaws.
mcguane- agree.
miller - struggling has done all yr only thing saved him is he hasnt struggled as much as others. many weaknesses and in the gun. agree.
moore - agree purely an injury thing but hes struggling because of it.
nahas - i think you agree. hes a glass half full. he has struggled in most games but he is safe. why is beyond me should also be in the gun.
newman = struggled last yr in a lot of games, then got hurt late and this yr he has been mainly poor. not in the gun but struggling close to retirement id say.
post - i think you agree hes in the gun, struggled at afl level and seems a mark kick player. would definately hang onto him for 1 more yr.
vickery - you agree hes struggling. clearly not in the gun but watch out next yr if his form continues. one just passable season does not make a player i would have thought this lesson was firmly driven home to all supporters by now but clearly it hasnt.
webberley - you agree.
white - you agree.
imo every single one falls into one of the categories that you felt the need to be sarcastic about. not all are in the gun which is something you cant seem to grasp. which ones need to go first well obviously uncontracted ones. trouble is the way cameron goes about it very few are ever uncontracted come seasons end.
imo jackson king edwards are safe due to contracts lol. nahas is a pet, newman is the skipper but can go to the vets list to free up a spot.vickery is safe for now and i think miller will be retained as a mature rookie if we are allowed. one of the three ruckmen mentioned will be retained out of need.
that leaves about 10 on tenterhooks depending on contracts and i would not be surprised if craig cameron has not already signed most of those.
my personal opinion is.
list proper
delist - white. mcguane, webberley. macdonald, king, connors. macdonald aside they have given us absolutely zilch. and have had yrs.
retire - moore. i think this what will happen but if he finds some touch late in the season he may want to go on.
trade - graham ruckmen have trade value could bundle him up with say pick 48 for pick 30.
vets list - newman. would definately do this if we have a graham scenario.
creates 9 spots - 5 nd picks, 1 trade for a need. 1 psd pick on a mature player. 2 from state league depending on how good they have been otherwise rookie them.
will probably have only 2 or 3 rookie picks imo as well.
finally thank you for at the least pointing out what you actually think with some substance rather than just taking sarcastic shots. we disagree im sure we can disagree without the angst and sarcasm.i will reply with kind if its aimed at me.
Without going through each individual player. i want to add one thing.. We have a list that is improving to a level that is getting there and will no doubt be playing finals soon enough. The thing i notice about your post Mr Claw is you never allow for the grunts of the team, the players that arent elite but do their job. Arent the most skilled but do their job, arent the most charismatic but do their job..
Delisting so many players in this next off season would IMO be a bad move.. As has been proven many times, a good team comes from not having a group of Judds and Abletts, but putting together a group that all work in the same direction, like each other and are united in the quest.
For mine changes will be players like McDonald and rookies that havent cut it. Other than that we trade for elite players and keep drafting 3-4 youngsters..
Having 9-10 18 year olds come into the side would be disastrous to club culture..
now bengal tiger you would have read if you had read the whole lot that i espoused 5 nd picks atm that is 1/ first rounder. basically 2 second rounders 1 third rounder and 1 4th rounder. in a deep draft yr you can expext a very good return.
i also envisioned a trade for a need. a psd pick on a mature player and a couple of ready to go state league players.. i also envisioned us putting newman onto the vet list a situation where we gain a list spot but dont cut anyone. so you see with good list management we dont have to load up with just kids. dont kid yourself we need an influx of players we have more than our fair share of duds or list cloggers.
we are currently being carried by about 14 players we need to find another 14. those who i want gone have not contributed one thing to the sides improvement this yr ior in yrs past.
can i ask what rookies havent cut it apart from heslin whos gone home. miller who plays seniors. the rest have only been there 5 minutes.
cmon ask yourself what do we lose by delisting white, mcguane, webberley macdonald, king,and connors. only king is a regular and hes awful.
what do we lose by trading graham hopefully for a good draft pick ie graham and pick 48ish for a pick 30ish. he has hardly played a senior game in two yrs and cant even get a gig as a backup.
its realistic moore will retire what has he done for the improvement, will he be missed.
finally its sensible in a deep draft yr to move the struggling newman to the vets list.imo hes on a steep decline and evades a fair bit of criticism because hes the skipper.
i can if you like swap a fair few of these players for those who have contributed just as little.
again make no mistake another clean out is needed we have barely begun to do what we must.
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God some of you guys are thick! Its not a contest between Vickery and Post, they are two completely different players! The reason Vickery is getting a game ahead of Post is because he Rucks as well!! If anyone is going to step up and take Vickerys spot it's Derickx but the way he's going at the moment Vickerys spot is as safe as houses!
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Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game :huh
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Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game :huh
fair enough it still doesnt deflect from the obvious. to be fair to him id give him a game see if he cant hold down the ruck and send big ivan forward more often. i cant see any reason why we cant try all of the players on our list at some stage. based on whats going on id say angus is in the hotseat. to be totally frank because angus was so poor we had to go out and get maric. lets be smart and get a good return for him rather than just cut him. yr 6 and he cant get a game how much longer do we persevere.
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Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game :huh
fair enough it still doesnt deflect from the obvious. to be fair to him id give him a game see if he cant hold down the ruck and send big ivan forward more often. i cant see any reason why we cant try all of the players on our list at some stage. based on whats going on id say angus is in the hotseat. to be totally frank because angus was so poor we had to go out and get maric. lets be smart and get a good return for him rather than just cut him. yr 6 and he cant get a game how much longer do we persevere.
In one breath you are saying "Angus was so poor for us we had to get another ruckman" and "6 years on our list how much longer do we have to persevere" but yet in another you are saying "let's be smart and get a good return for him" mate, do you Actualy understand how the whole trading thing works? The longer Graham plays in the VFL the less we will get at the trade table, at the moment he's probally worth a 4th rounder at best! And that's if anyone even wants him.......
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Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game :huh
fair enough it still doesnt deflect from the obvious. to be fair to him id give him a game see if he cant hold down the ruck and send big ivan forward more often. i cant see any reason why we cant try all of the players on our list at some stage. based on whats going on id say angus is in the hotseat. to be totally frank because angus was so poor we had to go out and get maric. lets be smart and get a good return for him rather than just cut him. yr 6 and he cant get a game how much longer do we persevere.
Actually the call that he hardly played a game is right imo
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Post can ruck in the Leigh Brown mold
But he's soft
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Hey Claw, for the record Graham has Actualy played 28 games ithe last two years! I wouldn't say the is hardly played a game :huh
fair enough it still doesnt deflect from the obvious. to be fair to him id give him a game see if he cant hold down the ruck and send big ivan forward more often. i cant see any reason why we cant try all of the players on our list at some stage. based on whats going on id say angus is in the hotseat. to be totally frank because angus was so poor we had to go out and get maric. lets be smart and get a good return for him rather than just cut him. yr 6 and he cant get a game how much longer do we persevere.
In one breath you are saying "Angus was so poor for us we had to get another ruckman" and "6 years on our list how much longer do we have to persevere" but yet in another you are saying "let's be smart and get a good return for him" mate, do you Actualy understand how the whole trading thing works? The longer Graham plays in the VFL the less we will get at the trade table, at the moment he's probally worth a 4th rounder at best! And that's if anyone even wants him.......
does mark seaby ring a bell or any number of ruckmen who badly underperformed at their club and fetched a decent draft pick. look i know its a stretch but i reckon if we are smart we could get a decent pick out of it. one thing for sure we can try you may be right and no one will offer a thing.
now i have said basically if someone is interested lets be smart offer them pick 48 our third rounder and graham for an earlier pick. not saying it will happen but when it comes to ruckmen and trash and treasure hunts they always seem to do well for the owners of them.
you mention a 4th rounder well offer our 4th graham for a third rounder we can turn it into a win if there are buyers.
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Agree claw
Look what Essendon got for Jenkins and he was a rookie that hadn't played a game
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Mate, where are ou pullin this crap from? Seaby had hardly underperformed with West Coast? He had one poor season with west coast (his last) and that was because Cox had a stellar year and the way the game was changing Lynch was chopping out in the ruck and a second rucman wasn't required! Seaby asked to be traded because he new he was slipping down the pecking order. All west coast got for him was a pick upgrade from 28 to 22, hardly a big deal really considering he cost the pick 22 in the first place!
Please though I would be happy to hear about these other number of badly underperformed Ruckman that have fetched good draft picks in trades, fire away.....
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Mate, where are ou pullin this crap from? Seaby had hardly underperformed with West Coast? He had one poor season with west coast (his last) and that was because Cox had a stellar year and the way the game was changing Lynch was chopping out in the ruck and a second rucman wasn't required! Seaby asked to be traded because he new he was slipping down the pecking order. All west coast got for him was a pick upgrade from 28 to 22, hardly a big deal really considering he cost the pick 22 in the first place!
Please though I would be happy to hear about these other number of badly underperformed Ruckman that have fetched good draft picks in trades, fire away.....
two straight to mind. jolley what had he done at melbourne when traded to sydney. 4yrs of pretty ordinary footy. jason ball struggled at wce but shone at sydney
how about mumford yeah i know he showed some real good glimpses. sam jacobs fetched what he was hardly proven. yeah your right none were as badly performed as gus.
yeah i suppose it is hard to find a player as badly performed as gus fetching much but still well worth a try imo. i am happy to concede on the point and say it is unlikely we will get a pick around 30 for him even if we dress it up with picks. but i can see us getting a pick around 50 for him if we dress it up. that in itself would be worth while.
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Yes your drawing a very long bow trying to compare Gus to any of those Ruckmen. The problem with Gus is he has been given a go, he is no longer developing he is 25, will be 26 next year can't get a game in a side that has been screaming for a Ruckman and if anyone does want him it will be for a stop gap at best, nobody is going to give up a decent pick for a stop gap. The best case scenario will be in a package deal for a slight pick upgrade or something like that but I can tell you now there is no way known some one will give us a straight pick for him in a draft as deep as this years is supposed to be.
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The weaknesses in Gus's game have been exposed for all to see by him not playing.
Soft as butter. No club will pick him up.
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Yes your drawing a very long bow trying to compare Gus to any of those Ruckmen. The problem with Gus is he has been given a go, he is no longer developing he is 25, will be 26 next year can't get a game in a side that has been screaming for a Ruckman and if anyone does want him it will be for a stop gap at best, nobody is going to give up a decent pick for a stop gap. The best case scenario will be in a package deal for a slight pick upgrade or something like that but I can tell you now there is no way known some one will give us a straight pick for him in a draft as deep as this years is supposed to be.
as i conceded in my last post you are probably right but no harm in trying.
one thing i would bet on is if graham is cut by us a club will pick him up. sheesh adam pattison broc mccauley who by the way looks a steal are two who have been much worse than graham and got taken admitidely for nothing . one who bought a first rnd pick cameron wood 3 yrs of nothing at brisbane and collingwood saw something in him and came up with pick 14. we will see what happens with gus i still think we should shop him and see what we can get. funny things happen with these big blokes. if we could get a pick at 50ish that would be fine. the earlier the pick the better. 6 or so nd picks inside 50 would be what id aim at.
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jackstar will be once jacky boy starts kicking straight lol
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jackstar will be once jacky boy starts kicking straight lol
what have you been pumping mate ;D
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jackstar will be once jacky boy starts kicking straight lol
what have you been pumping mate ;D
my doll lol
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As I said before two foolish posters are under the pump to provie they have an idea about RFC
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Big 5
Heslin
Macdonald
Graham
Miller
Mcgaune.