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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 14, 2012, 03:51:45 AM
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According to Mark Fine on his SEN show last night, he reckons our midfield is better than Hawthorn's. The reason he gave was that we have our upper echelon gun mids - Cotch, Lids & Dusty - whereas the Hawks have a sameness across their midfield.
Thoughts?
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Mark Fine is right. Add Grigg to our goal kicking mids and Conca is shafting to hit the scoreboard too
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I think we probably have more class in the midfield. Hawks are probably more consistent in there than we have been so far, but hopefully we turn this around.
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We are on the way, if we keep improving our defensive side then he's we will be on a consistent basis better than most midfields. But we've only just started running hard both ways the past several weeks so let's not get too carried away like Finey, hawks supporters were going off via SMS ;D
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we have more class in the midfield but hawks at this stage have us in turns of depth, but we're improving in that department. a couple more mids from the upcoming draft and we'd be right.
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The Hawks are a bit samey, Sewell, Mitchell and Lewis are all similar types, Hodge is injured/not match fit and I don't know many of their other mids. Shiel, Savage, Smith is it??
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Will let you know in 2 weeks
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Will let you know in 2 weeks
The rat has spoken
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Yes he is right, been saying it for bloody ages, in fact I think we have the best in the comp but.....our back line needs depth, one/two more big bodied players and the forward line needs to click, I mean really click.
We also need to bring in two young players (Arnot & Elton), get rid of Jackson and Edwards and move forward... Then we will get there!
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A mate bumped into Mattie Priddis at the airport afyer our match vs Eagles and Priddis said our mids really surprised them. Rated us ahead of the Hawks as a matter of fact
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We are right on the doorstep as a team, a couple more drops of sinister sauce may do the trick.
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We are right on the doorstep as a team, a couple more drops of sinister sauce may do the trick.
Don't worry about adding a touch of tenderness. :lol
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The strength of our midfield now is it has elite players who are difficult to stop, (Cotch, Lids and Martin) supported by very good depth players (Foley, Grigg, Tuck) with young talent coming through as backup (Conca, Ellis). Throw in some good honest role players (Edwards, Jackson) and some small forwards/backs who can run through the middle/wing (Nahas, King, Houli and Newman).
Our midfield is becoming increasingly difficult to stop
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The strength of our midfield now is it has elite players who are difficult to stop, (Cotch, Lids and Martin) supported by very good depth players (Foley, Grigg, Tuck) with young talent coming through as backup (Conca, Ellis). Throw in some good honest role players (Edwards, Jackson) and some small forwards/backs who can run through the middle/wing (Nahas, King, Houli and Newman).
Our midfield is becoming increasingly difficult to stop
Totally agree Stripes right up to the point where you mentioned Edwards and Jackson, Jackson maybe but FFS Edwards...NOT the way forward mate!
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Don't you rate Edwards WAT
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He does, he's just unsure of his role within the 22
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Don't you rate Edwards WAT
Stop it Chucky......just stop it..... :lol
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He does, he's just unsure of his role within the 22
No, I know his role, so does he. He is there to make sure every other player is accountable by continually turning the ball over.....great for training drills during games... ::)
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He rrrrrrrrrrrhates him. :laugh:
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He rrrrrrrrrrrhates him. :laugh:
:thumbsup
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Played well against the Swans. Just finished watching the replay twice.
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Played well against the Swans. Just finished watching the replay twice.
On fire.. ::) :whistle
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Played well against the Swans. Just finished watching the replay twice.
His endeavor, reading of the play and 1%ers were elite
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Some of his handballs were so quick and creative they are actually invisible unless viewed on the replay under slow motion.
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Electrifying..... :whistle
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Have you watched the game yet mate? Cause seriously it was like watching a guy play football, he was that good.
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Edwards was damn good but his knockers will never admit to it .
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Amazing player....one of the best, has been on fire for years...FFS, play 22 games with over 20 possessions, no turnovers etc....then tell me how good he is.....WON'T HAPPEN.
Jackson is better, Edwards is poo!
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'aint a player in the game that averages over 20 touches a game and doesn't turn it over
think you are getting emotional and being a bit unrealistic there WAT
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'aint a player in the game that averages over 20 touches a game and doesn't turn it over
think you are getting emotional and being a bit unrealistic there WAT
He does something stupid every game Gerks, doesn't have the size, gets caught a lot trying to baulk, dodge and weave and will not be part of a GF side with the RFC.
He is poo, get rid of him and there are no more whipping boys for me, he is the last one, completely useless....... ;D
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contracted for another year ;D
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Some of his handballs were so quick and creative they are actually invisible unless viewed on the replay under slow motion.
My Donut pointed this out to me as I watched the replay for the 9th time.
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contracted for another year ;D
Trade for a last round pick then...Or pay him out, just stuff him off.
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I thought he was going well enough to earn a 3 year extension. You agree?
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Get rid of (trade) nanas and bring in a mid/forward that doesn't get blown over by the wind. Enter Chris Knights.
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Get rid of (trade) nanas and bring in a mid/forward that doesn't get blown over by the wind. Enter Chris Knights.
Chris Knights averages 10 games a year and cant even get a game at Adelaide ATM! He is a broken down hack and unless we get him in rookie draft we should avoid at all costs.
I agree with Nanas though, he will be 36 this year and I cant see him offering any more to the Renegades, its time to move on. Maybe he should take up freestyle skiing again :thumbsup
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Get rid of (trade) nanas and bring in a mid/forward that doesn't get blown over by the wind. Enter Chris Knights.
Chris Knights averages 10 games a year and cant even get a game at Adelaide ATM! He is a broken down hack and unless we get him in rookie draft we should avoid at all costs.
I agree with Nanas though, he will be 36 this year and I cant see him offering any more to the Renegades, its time to move on. Maybe he should take up freestyle skiing again :thumbsup
36????? WHOA..... :lol
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think TFT mixed up his endowment with his age
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think TFT mixed up his endowment with his age
No, that will be his age as of the may 16 this year ;)
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Imho, YES, our top end has more class....foley cotch lids and martin with depth extending further than most think...grigg, tuck, jackson tuck, houli, edwards and now ellis....i consider morris and newy coming off hb as part of a broader midfield...so whoa weve really raised the bar
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Imho, YES, our top end has more class....foley cotch lids and martin with depth extending further than most think...grigg, tuck, jackson tuck, houli, edwards and now ellis....i consider morris and newy coming off hb as part of a broader midfield...so whoa weve really raised the bar
Agree except with my old mate, but our forward line MUST click and kick the goals they missed last week. Also, our midfielders need to score as well.
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Richmond midfield 'now elite'
By Mark Macgugan
hawthornfc.com.au
Mon 21 May, 2012
HAWTHORN is readying itself for a major challenge on Saturday against Richmond, with Brad Sewell describing the Tigers' midfield as one of the competition's best.
After an unspectacular start to the season in terms of clearances, the Hawks' onballers have dominated Melbourne (40-22) and Fremantle (48-24) at stoppages in the past fortnight.
But Sewell is expecting a bigger test against the Tigers, who only narrowly fell to third-placed Essendon on Saturday night.
"In weeks gone past we've had a couple of guys bob up and play well, and a few guys who were below par," Sewell said on Monday.
"But I thought on the weekend, for the most part our entire midfield was pretty good … but we've still got a long way to go.
"Richmond has got a sensational midfield division…[it's] one of the best.
"They've got a really good mix in there of inside and outside players, and their midfielders are kicking goals as well."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/136425/default.aspx
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would agree with all the plaudits being thrown at our mids. imo for 8 weeks now about 14 players have played out of their skins. but hello people the other 8 have been well the way they always are.
genuine mids - cotchin,deledio,martin needs a tank, foley, grigg, tuck conca and ellis learning the caper have all been really good in the main. but its no where enough.
it drops away dramatically with jackson sheesh, nahas, edwards houli king and yes newman all expected to rotate thru there.
we cant possibly ask too much more of the first group atm but sheesh the second group is the reason why we cant get over the line. good sides punish mediocrity. the real problem arises with what younger ones are in the reserves basically there are just two arnot and helbig and while i like the way both go about it there is no guarantee either will make it.
we have no where near enough mids. and we do lack for a couple more of real quality.
what we should be saying is our top 5 or so is up there with other clubs top 5 if not better. and it is, but it falls away people and it falls away dramatically.
can i ask who do we ask to step up if say just foley and cotchin get hurt. i know most will say well what if other clubs lose a few of their better mids thing is they drop away like us.
its the same problem with our tall defenders look at the situation we have with just grimes being out. depth and quality is what we must improve and a fair bit. look what happens if big ivan goes down sheesh that would bugger us we cant replace him.
depth depth depth depth and just a little more quality in most areas.
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The Dawks midfield are all similar blokes. Sheesh. Their age, size, and sheesh their experience may get them an edge though sheesh.
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lmao seems like santa cant escape banter :lol
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lmao seems like santa cant escape banter :lol
banter i dont mind. stupidity well thats another thing. sheesh. :lol
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Yes we do need depth but first we need more quality. We are still lacking a CHF, CHB and crumber. These positions have plodders in them at present.
Yes we do need depth but midfield depth is probably the least crucial. If Cotchin, Lids or Foley were to go down we would feel it but if Maric, Rance or Jack (even out of form) were get injured we would be $%@#! We have mpre depth in the midfield than anywhere else on the ground which is why we are harder to shut down now. Tag Cotch and Lids and you have to worry about Foley, Grigg and even Tuck. Sure we could do with some more talent to rotate through there but what we really need is some of our talls to step up first.
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Wet weather on Saturday may help us. May bring the Hawks skills down a peg.
Although they did flog us in the wet last year. :help
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Yes tucker I remember that game like it was yesterday, it pelted down for most of the day and by night it was hammering. It poured through the entire game and all the way home.
We got smashed that night, comepletey smashed.
It will be intresting to see the rematch if we have improved against this team
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We don't play well in the wet as our game is very much now built on short precise passes. Hawthorn has a similar style but last year their bigger bodied mids found the contested conditions more to their liking than ours. Additionally the wet weather suits Buddies and Rioli's game. Buddy loves it when the ball hits the ground and it turns into a foot race into space against his typically less athletic opponent. Rance is no match for Buddy if he is getting plenty of supply from his mids.
I hope it clears :pray
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Rance has the potential to.smash LFranklin. As he did johno brown a year or two ago.
That said hell miss his mate grimes.
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Rance has the potential to.smash LFranklin. As he did johno brown a year or two ago.
That said hell miss his mate grimes.
Franklin is too big for Rance, he is the best option but will need assistance in the one on one marking duels.
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OneHD's The Game Plan show last night put up a graphic showing our overall stats for 2012 are virtually identical to what Hawthorn had last year. For example we are No.1 in total possessions and efficiency this year as was Hawthorn in 2011.
Add to that the overall average age and average game experience of our list is also a year less than the Hawks.
Hawthorn 25 y.o 101 avg. games
Richmond 24 y.o. 77 avg. games
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OneHD's The Game Plan show last night put up a graphic showing our overall stats for 2012 are virtually identical to what Hawthorn had last year. For example we are No.1 in total possessions and efficiency this year as was Hawthorn in 2011.
Add to that the overall average age and average game experience of our list is also a year less than the Hawks.
Hawthorn 25 y.o 101 avg. games
Richmond 24 y.o. 77 avg. games
Stats mean nothing.
Hawthorn's midfielders are far more quality & damaging than Richmond. They also have more quality players who can switch & play the midfield role. Anyone thinking we are a better midfield brigade knows squat about football or watching it.
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Stats mean nothing.
And you have summed up how little you know about the modern game in one small sentance :lol :lol :lol
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Don't be selective when quoting, TFT. Pull your head in
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Dunno.
But any one of our players is better than that bum Butcher
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Hawthorn's midfielders are far more quality & damaging than Richmond.
Mitchell, Hodge (constantly injured), Sewell, Lewis, Burgoyne are far more quality and damaging than Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Foley, Grigg, Tuck?
nope.
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Please Don't be selective when quoting, TFT. Your a top Bloke and I love ya buddy :-*
:thumbsup :thumbsup is that selective enough for you :-* love you to bro......
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:lol
TFT is in a rich vein of form. :bow
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The only way the dawks midfield will be better than ours is if our players play blindfolded.
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Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson and Richmond counterpart Damien Hardwick are great mates and share similar game plans.
Champion Data statistics show the teams are the bottom two in contested possessions, and the top two for uncontested possessions. A further breakdown shows they are ranked in the top three for short kicks, behind only Essendon, and uncontested marks.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hawks-keen-to-resign-sewell-20120525-1zadb.html#ixzz1vtmOrbrJ
RICHMOND might be 13th on the ladder but it is No 1 for uncontested possessions and Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson has warned his side of the dangers of allowing the Tigers to get their running game going.
Sixth-placed Hawthorn has an edge in experience ahead of today's round nine clash at the MCG, but Clarkson said ruckman Ivan Maric had made a big difference since crossing from Adelaide to Richmond.
"They've got potent forwards. They've brought (Ty) Vickery back into their side this week, who can do some real damage in the front end of the ground as well," Clarkson said yesterday.
"If we allow them to get some free ball on the outside they can be quite damaging.
"If Richmond win that midfield battle it will make it very difficult for us. We're very mindful that they've got a very powerful midfield, in particular, and a ruckman who's in stellar form.
"We've got a lot of respect for Dimma (Richmond coach Damien Hardwick) and his coaching staff and the way they've gone about it. They've really built well over the last three years.
"We also like to think our experience and knowledge of Richmond will help us get over the line tomorrow."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/clarkson-wary-of-tiger-attack/story-fnca0u4y-1226367417212
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You are ignoring this user, 4 in a row ;D l bet they are all dribble & drool
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You are ignoring this user, 4 in a row ;D l bet they are all dribble & drool
They do, especially tiger-from-tas. He's a moron
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Are we better? Yes! 8)
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Hawthorn's midfielders are far more quality & damaging than Richmond.
Another great call from one of our favorite experts!
:lol
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was gob smacked with cotches game today...played an absolute blinder ,especially early on when the game was in the balance...His second and third efforts are something special..Died away somwhat in the latter stages but the game was won by then..In my eyes is clearly the best midfielder going around at the moment...
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Have always said it and will keep saying it, we have one of if not the best centre lines in the comp. Finally and I called this for years, Deledeo is in the centre, with him Cotch, Martin (finding form in the last 2 weeks), Tuck the unsung hero and Foley we have so much talent! Get the back line sorted and we have a team!
FOLEY KNOCKERS stuff OFF!!!!
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midfield was awesome.ivan, tuck, cotchin,deledio, martin, grigg, ellis, conca and foley have carried us all yr.still not enough if you ask me. we do want another 4 or more to come thru we have had no real injuries to date and the tier below this lot is nothing to write home about.
if we are going to build it lets go the whole hog.
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to answer the OP...lol...how many players did we have > 30 possies, almost 50 more contested possies, CASE CLOSED :lol
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claw give conca and ellis a chance to develop and you just might not need to recruit anymore midfielders for the time being.
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midfield was awesome.ivan, tuck, cotchin,deledio, martin, grigg, ellis, conca and foley have carried us all yr.still not enough if you ask me. we do want another 4 or more to come thru we have had no real injuries to date and the tier below this lot is nothing to write home about.
if we are going to build it lets go the whole hog.
4...... :gobdrop....and forget the back line depth????
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Hawthorn's midfielders are far more quality & damaging than Richmond.
Another great call from one of our favorite experts!
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LMAO I wish I could fit a bigger signature
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Hawks were minus Hodge, but having said that
on todays showing they were not in the same league as us. :thumbsup
A competitive ruckman also helps. :gotigers
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A mate bumped into Mattie Priddis at the airport afyer our match vs Eagles and Priddis said our mids really surprised them. Rated us ahead of the Hawks as a matter of fact
Good judge priddis :gotigers
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Rance has the potential to.smash LFranklin. As he did johno brown a year or two ago.
That said hell miss his mate grimes.
Franklin is too big for Rance, he is the best option but will need assistance in the one on one marking duels.
Rance got too much ticker for the sook.