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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 21, 2012, 02:00:30 PM
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Not according to Robbo ...
THE TACKLE 2012 ALL-AUSTRALIAN TEAM (version 1)
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
May 21, 2012
A THIRD of the season has come and gone, and similar to the evenness of the season proper, an All-Australian team has more candidates than placements.
Unlike other AA teams, be it punters and the official AA selectors, I am not going to spread midfielders over the back and forward flanks. Players will be picked where they actually play, so Brett Deledio, who has played midfield this year, can't be considered for a back flank.
That said, the bench will be chock-full of them.
The midfield group was clearly the most difficult.
There are five spots and the names were elite: Pendlebury, Ablett, Kennedy, Watson, Stanton, Deledio, Dangerfield, Thompson, Sidebottom, Hayes, Swan, Judd, Griffen ...
There are apologies and there headaches.
The team is:
B: Dustin Fletcher (Ess), Ted Richards (Syd), Scott Thompson (NM)
HB: Beau Waters (WC), Michael Johnson (Frem), Heath Shaw (Coll)
C: Brent Stanton (Ess), Scott Thompson (Adel), Dane Swan (Coll)
HF: Steele Sidebottom (Coll), Lance Franklin (Haw), Lewis Jetta (Syd)
F: Stewart Crameri (Ess), Taylor Walker (Adel), Cyril Rioli (Haw).
Foll: Dean Cox (WC), Scott Pendlebury (Coll), Gary Ablett (GC)
Inter: Sam Jacobs (Adel), Patrick Dangerfield (Adel), Jobe Watson (Ess), Josh Kennedy (Syd)
The apologies list is long: Ryder, Griffen, the Selwood brothers, Deledio, the Hawks back in Birchall and Gibson who have missed footy, and Judd, among others.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/carlton-exposed-as-a-premiership-myth/story-fn5937w8-1226361619677
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What crap, Deledio and Maric at a minimum should be in there.....Robbo=fool!
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It's a BW anyway, who are they playing against? The players know who is who and personally I don't think they could give a toss over this list.
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stuff, Dangerfield has been impressive..... in the last 2 weeks. Deledio or Cotchin ahead of him easily on output for the year so far.
What the hell in a Naught Melbourne player doing in the team?
Has Swan really been that good this season?
Lewis Jetta lol.
Even Cyril Rioli lol.
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Is Fletcher and Stanton showing Robbos bias? :-\
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stuffing rioli is so overated, has incredible talent and once every 4-5 weeks he'll meemerise us with a 5-6 goal demolition, but the next 3-4 weeks are 10-12 possie games. Hes not an AA's hole
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Rance, Lids,Cotchin
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Lids cotch maric grigg rance and grimes and i havent even got carried away :shh
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Rance doesn't even rate a mention in the apologies? And how the hell does Squirrel Rioli get there, he's been mediocre this season.
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Lids and Cotchin only
Pull your heads in
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Rance doesn't even rate a mention in the apologies? And how the hell does Squirrel Rioli get there, he's been mediocre this season.
he doesnt deserve a mention he has not been good enough in several areas.
its only really us richmond people who rate him.
imo we should have 3 in contention atm.
maric imo has been the best ruckman in the comp to date.
deledio has been superb.
cotchin has been consistent and eye catching not sure about weight of possesins though.
honorable mention to grigg woulkd say his season has been every bit as good as stantons to date.
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Granted the irony of this 'snip' given claw mentioned about being able to have your say on here but we as mods have mentioned numerous times to leave discussion about other Tiger forums off OER's forum. Ta.
Now back to the topic.... :yep
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Granted the irony of this 'snip' given claw mentioned about being able to have your say on here but we as mods have mentioned numerous times to leave discussion about other Tiger forums off OER's forum. Ta.
Now back to the topic.... :yep
apologies i didnt realise..
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What crap, Deledio and Maric at a minimum should be in there.....Robbo=fool!
maric compared to cox in basic stats is interesting. will put the other ruckman jacobs in as well.
disposals- cox 130, maric 128, jacobs 107,
marks - cox 44 maric 37, jacobs 32.
ho - cox 180, maric 234, jacobs 245.
based on that id say big ivan is a bit stiff indeed.
sandilands percentage wise is probably in front of them all but played just 6 games.jamar leads the league for hit outs. with 295.
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stuffing rioli is so overated, has incredible talent and once every 4-5 weeks he'll meemerise us with a 5-6 goal demolition, but the next 3-4 weeks are 10-12 possie games. Hes not an AA's behindhole
bit harsh i reckon. hes playing primarily as a small forward is getting about 15 possesions agame and has kicked 18 goals so far this season. if that translates into a full season that would be 50 plus goals for a small forward. we should also not underestimate his forward pressure.
i do understand where your coming from though but until he moves permanently into a midfield role he may not scale the heights people expect.
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I call bulldust.
Sure rance can inprove but hes been huge this year.
Not as if the like of ted richards is michael jordan :o
Rance doesn't even rate a me :screamntion in the apologies? And how the hell does Squirrel Rioli get there, he's been mediocre this season.
he doesnt deserve a mention he has not been good enough in several areas.
its only really us richmond people who rate him.
imo we should have 3 in contention atm.
maric imo has been the best ruckman in the comp to date.
deledio has been superb.
cotchin has been consistent and eye catching not sure about weight of possesins though.
honorable mention to grigg woulkd say his season has been every bit as good as stantons to date.
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I call bulldust.
Sure rance can inprove but hes been huge this year.
Not as if the like of ted richards is michael jordan :o
Rance doesn't even rate a me :screamntion in the apologies? And how the hell does Squirrel Rioli get there, he's been mediocre this season.
he doesnt deserve a mention he has not been good enough in several areas.
its only really us richmond people who rate him.
imo we should have 3 in contention atm.
maric imo has been the best ruckman in the comp to date.
deledio has been superb.
cotchin has been consistent and eye catching not sure about weight of possesins though.
honorable mention to grigg woulkd say his season has been every bit as good as stantons to date.
your entitled to your opinion mine is i dont believe hes been as good as most richmond people portray him. and in no way am i saying hes been poor hes been very good at times but ordinary at times in a few areas.
my oinion is hes a chb and he would be a damn good one. imo we are chasing a big bodied fb my preference would be for a player type like merret for example.id take him in free agency any day.
a back half with
b/ morris - merrett - grimes.
hb batchelor - rance - dea
now that backline could cater to any situation it could cope with injury thru a game. its big, its quick, its strong, hard at it, with lots of run and decent skills, with rance the worst in disposal between them.
of all the areas at the club i think the backline the closest to finals ready but it lacks tall depth and that big gorilla if you like.
back on rance im not bagging him i just acknowledge his weaknesses. and yes hes been good this yr most of the time. i just differ on how good hes been. he was very ordinary against essendon imo and despite good numbers has been average in a few other games.
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Griffiths or astbury are both tall enough for this role.
And i hope the other goes to overtake miller at the other end.
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Griffiths or astbury are both tall enough for this role.
And i hope the other goes to overtake miller at the other end.
griffiths and astbury are key forwards plain and simple. id say only griffiths would have all the neccesary tools to play fb. hes quick hes tall and hes a good mark. he should be playing ff of this i am 100%certain.he is easily the best forward prospect we have on the entire list.
have you ever watched astbury play footy other than the few senior games for us. may play chb but i doubt it. unlike griffiths is not quick enough and not good enough in the air. hes a hit up player and a good one. happy to give him another crack at chb who knows.
even if we allow that both will become good defenders we will still lack for enough tall defenders especially if as is likely mcguane is cut and moore retires.the need for someone like merret or his type as cover for a player like griffiths if he ever becomes a fb would still be there.
the simple fact is atm going forward we have just 3 tall defenders who are up to standard proven, and none of them are big enough.
its the one type we do not have on the list, that is a dour big strong defensively rarely beaten 195/100 kg kpd ffs lets go and get one or at least try and develop one what harm is there in doing it. actually getting atype, if possible a proven type we have none of.
the worst that can happen is we end up with one or two kpds too many and we trade the worst of them out for good picks and repeat the process or use the picks on some other need.
i would be doing everything i can to shore up fb with this type if in charge.
as i said we have real good chb but dont play him there in rance. astbury may play there who else is likely in the long term.
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its the one type we do not have on the list, that is a dour big strong defensively rarely beaten 195/100 kg kpd ffs lets go and get one or at least try and develop one what harm is there in doing it.
You always carry on like the club is not aware of this and is not looking for one.
Just sit tight.
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I'm with you on this claw, except I have more confidence in Rance holding down full back. So I think we should go after Josh Hunt who is a free agent and have him at CHB, we still get the big body but you get his bullet-like passes coming off half back where they break the field open. Rance just can't kick like that. The call of softness by Matty Lloyd (which is nonsense) might shave a few dollars off the asking price too.
You could end up with a mass exodus at Geelong if they scrape into the 8 and get knocked out in the first week. This could make players like Hunt very gettable.
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Hunt at CHB? he's barely 6 foot
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Hunt at CHB? he's barely 6 foot
Well OK he's not a traditional KPD height wise but just thinking back to Sat night, no one could bring Michael Hurley down in a tackle, CHF are more mid sized and mobile these days, having said that Hunt is 30yo and not the quickest defender going round. I'm obviously a big fan of his kicking, our defenders kicking has improved heaps but there is still a bit of 'loop' or hang time in the kicks, I wanna see some more low bullet punts to help open up our gun mids.
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its the one type we do not have on the list, that is a dour big strong defensively rarely beaten 195/100 kg kpd ffs lets go and get one or at least try and develop one what harm is there in doing it.
You always carry on like the club is not aware of this and is not looking for one.
Just sit tight.
just voicing an opinion on what we need and dont have. unlike probably 95% of supporters i dont rate rance at fb but think him a perfect fit for chb. i made no mention of what the club thinks or what they are doing about it.people post as if we dont need one well thats my perception and i disagree. we dont currently have that big strong kpd they may well try and do something about it lets hope so.
not me who needs to sit tight or chill out.
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Claw.
80-90% of afl key backs as forward as juniors.
Griffiths or astbury are both tall enough for this role.
And i hope the other goes to overtake miller at the other end.
griffiths and astbury are key forwards plain and simple. id say only griffiths would have all the neccesary tools to play fb. hes quick hes tall and hes a good mark. he should be playing ff of this i am 100%certain.he is easily the best forward prospect we have on the entire list.
have you ever watched astbury play footy other than the few senior games for us. may play chb but i doubt it. unlike griffiths is not quick enough and not good enough in the air. hes a hit up player and a good one. happy to give him another crack at chb who knows.
even if we allow that both will become good defenders we will still lack for enough tall defenders especially if as is likely mcguane is cut and moore retires.the need for someone like merret or his type as cover for a player like griffiths if he ever becomes a fb would still be there.
the simple fact is atm going forward we have just 3 tall defenders who are up to standard proven, and none of them are big enough.
its the one type we do not have on the list, that is a dour big strong defensively rarely beaten 195/100 kg kpd ffs lets go and get one or at least try and develop one what harm is there in doing it. actually getting atype, if possible a proven type we have none of.
the worst that can happen is we end up with one or two kpds too many and we trade the worst of them out for good picks and repeat the process or use the picks on some other need.
i would be doing everything i can to shore up fb with this type if in charge.
as i said we have real good chb but dont play him there in rance. astbury may play there who else is likely in the long term.
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Claw.
80-90% of afl key backs as forward as juniors.
Griffiths or astbury are both tall enough for this role.
And i hope the other goes to overtake miller at the other end.
griffiths and astbury are key forwards plain and simple. id say only griffiths would have all the neccesary tools to play fb. hes quick hes tall and hes a good mark. he should be playing ff of this i am 100%certain.he is easily the best forward prospect we have on the entire list.
have you ever watched astbury play footy other than the few senior games for us. may play chb but i doubt it. unlike griffiths is not quick enough and not good enough in the air. hes a hit up player and a good one. happy to give him another crack at chb who knows.
even if we allow that both will become good defenders we will still lack for enough tall defenders especially if as is likely mcguane is cut and moore retires.the need for someone like merret or his type as cover for a player like griffiths if he ever becomes a fb would still be there.
the simple fact is atm going forward we have just 3 tall defenders who are up to standard proven, and none of them are big enough.
its the one type we do not have on the list, that is a dour big strong defensively rarely beaten 195/100 kg kpd ffs lets go and get one or at least try and develop one what harm is there in doing it. actually getting atype, if possible a proven type we have none of.
the worst that can happen is we end up with one or two kpds too many and we trade the worst of them out for good picks and repeat the process or use the picks on some other need.
i would be doing everything i can to shore up fb with this type if in charge.
as i said we have real good chb but dont play him there in rance. astbury may play there who else is likely in the long term.
just one question and i will leave it be. would you have any objections to the club going out and getting say for example daniel merrett from brisbane when free agency comes in.
regardless of other tall defenders on the list i would be over the moon if we could do this.
we would have a proven ready made player filling a hole we currently have.
if griffiths astbury or any other young player can develkop into the role the more the merrier thats all im saying.
i will finish by saying ben griffiths is our best chance to play ff and for the life of me i do not understand what the hell they are doing with this bloke.
they do get things wrong have got heaps right and wrong thus far and imo they are wrong on this.
b/ morris 185/84 - merrett 195/103 - grimes 193/87
hb/ dea 187/84 - rance 194/93 - batchelor 188/78?
is potentially a premiership backline. it can go man on man with every single type of player thrown at it. if a tall goes down on match day say rance you still keep your structure.merret can play on the 196/100kg clokes of this world or brown or roughhead and many others. he goes with them pound for pound one on one and keeps them quiet without having to rely on too much help from teammates.
why would any tiger supporter be adverse to getting a player of this type is beyond me. we need to get a few kpds anyway just to balance up the list.its not as if we would be taking a kpd at the expense of say a mid.
unless one of astbury post or griffiths can step up there is no long term backup for any sort of injury to our talls in defense.we can do with another ready made tall defender and he may as well be what we dont have, that being a 195/100kg type like merrett.
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Re: Griffiths. He hasn't exactly demanded selection through form in the seconds. He has only played out a handful of games since he appears to need wrapping in cotton wool and given a hug every second week.
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i find the thought of a mobile 200cm back man quite appealing, particularly one who can reach the centre square from a kick in, or roost it into our forward 50 if he takes the ball at CHB. I hope they pick him to replace grimes this week
As for Merritt, he will be 28 next year, combine that with the cost he would demand = would be nice, but pass
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Claw, you're preaching to the converted on Merrett
Would get 4 years out of him give or take
Would have thought Grimes' injury opened some of the nuff nuffs eyes, guess not
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if you didnt have to win a bidding war id take him, but it would take a lot of dollars thrown his way to get him, too much for my liiking.
you may get 3-4 years out of him, but he is approaching the age where his best footy is probably behind him.
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He's an unrestricted free agent. We only have to come to terms with him. Looks like he's playing his best football at the moment, and added another string to his bow showing he can go forward. Nuffy :santa
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Get him.
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:santa
Re: Griffiths. He hasn't exactly demanded selection through form in the seconds. He has only played out a handful of games since he appears to need wrapping in cotton wool and given a hug every second week.
Miller is not earning his spot on the otherhand.
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:santaRe: Griffiths. He hasn't exactly demanded selection through form in the seconds. He has only played out a handful of games since he appears to need wrapping in cotton wool and given a hug every second week.
Miller is not earning his spot on the otherhand.
I agree. But then again neither are our entire forward line.
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Claw, you're preaching to the converted on Merrett
Would get 4 years out of him give or take
Would have thought Grimes' injury opened some of the nuff nuffs eyes, guess not
it doesnt have to be merret its the type of kpd he is that im after.
dunno who said play griffiths at chb this week. im not against trying him there especially when atm all we have is rance.
but im adamant hes a ff and is our best chance of finding a genuine tall forward prospect going forward.
i would like nothing more thab to see all of griffiths post and vickery make it. if fit and in form and we had say merrett i would like to see us line up so.
b/ morris - merrett - grimes.
hb/ dea - rance - batchelor
c/ grigg - martin - deledio
hf/ conca - riwoldt - quality medium sized forward. we dont have one
f/ vickery - griffiths - quality small forward we dont have one.
r/ maric - cotchin - foley
int from/ helbig - ellis - tuck - arnot - newman - 1st rnd pick - 2nd rnd pick both mids.
that amounnts to the following being depth players or in development or being delisted. we all have our opinions on them and their worth.
mids - edwards, jackson, webberley, houli who i don rate a mid, nahas and white who are more sml forwards. any other mids we may draft or trade for.personally would be looking to upgrade the lot obviously not all in one go.
tall defenders - mcguane, moore, any one we may draft or trade. the cupboard is bare when it comes to depth and development in this area. fair enough if and thats a big if one of the young kpfs can be converted to a defender but sheesh that will put a lot of pressure on our kpf situation. bit like robbing peter to pay paul.
tall forwards - astbury,elton, miller. anyone we may draft or trade. would cut miller without hesitation we are wasting our time with him. obviously we could do with a couple more in development
small/med defenders and forwards - connors king, a maric, o'hanlon, anyone we may draft or trade. desperately need sml/med forwards would keep ohanlon and cut the rest if possible.
ruckmen - derickx, graham, browne. i think all three are unlikely to make it. we need a quality young ruckman in our system to take over from big ivan im 3 or 4 yrs time. and would look to rookie one as well. would even go so far as to find another mature one as well. obviously i would cut all three if possible.
any way just a broad outline of my thinking on the list just my opinion and i think most of us know it but we still have a lot of work to do.
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He's an unrestricted free agent. We only have to come to terms with him. Looks like he's playing his best football at the moment, and added another string to his bow showing he can go forward. Nuffy :santa
Unrestricted makes a bit off difference, yeah, still have to convince him to leave though.
I thought you wanted him as backman ;D
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yeah can't see him leaving TBH
he was a forward as a jnr. so i guess it's not really another string, nice flexibility though
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he's barely 6 foot
So you think he's barely 6 foot? Honestly, WGAF?
Probably Hardwick.
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Probably Hardwick.
So you think Hardwick GAF? Honestly, WGAF?
:lol
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Probably Hardwick.
So you think Hardwick GAF? Honestly, WGAF?
:lol
Very clever.
:bow
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5 tigers included
Alex rance and chris newman backline
Ivan maric and trent cotchin centre
Jack reiwoldt foward
Bit of malakias but some recogintion for hard work thus far
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Newman LMFAO
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Not sure id lmao but newy wouldnt make funal cut, woud just miss out i think....to guess who, delids :shh
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It was a bit tongue in cheek as pendles and swan were on interchage.
Mids also included dangerfield, j selwood, stanton
Really trying to pump up our tyres and derail us I reckon
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I'm one of Newy's biggest fans but I wouldn't have him in the AA side. His past month has been terrific but he started the year slowly. Lids should be in there instead.
Ch 7's AA team
B: Rance Glass Reilly
HB: Waters Richards Newman
C: Cotchin Pendlebury Stanton
HF: Ablett Franklin Lewis Jetta
F: T.Walker J.Riewoldt Rioli
R: I.Maric Dangerfield Selwood
Int: Judd, Watson, Swan, H.Shaw
Judd only in there on reputation.
Rioli has been too inconsistent for mine. He either has starred in a few games and the rest gone missing such as against us.
Based on this year I would have Scott Thompson in for Judd and Zaharakis in for Rioli.
Even Swan's inclusion seems more based on reputation. Surely one of the Eagles' mids deserves to be in the AA side given they are on top of the ladder.
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Setting the bar low if Newman has been terrific in the last month.
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lol Rioli
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How the fudge is Newman in there ahead of Lids?
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How the fudge is Newman in there ahead of Lids?
We call it the Harley love ..... Its a little like the Lynx effect
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I'm one of Newy's biggest fans but I wouldn't have him in the AA side. His past month has been terrific but he started the year slowly. Lids should be in there instead.
Tom Harley did the backs and he is a massive Newy fan that's why Newy's in there
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and for his leadership
but deledio is AA all the way this yr
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How the fudge is Newman in there ahead of Lids?
We call it the Harley love ..... Its a little like the Lynx effect
:lol
Harley is a wigless drag queen
Lids is an AA lock
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Richards?
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Richards is fairo. Doesn't get beaten
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Richards is fairo. Doesn't get beaten
Lids does when he gets tagged apparently. :'(
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The Bigpond site has four Tigers in their AA side so far - Rance, Lids, Jack and Cotch.
Mid-season All Australians
By Adam Jones, Michael Rogers and Ben Hocking
Source: BigPond Sport
Tuesday, June 12, 2012
With half the season now done and dusted, it's time to look at the players who have shaped the year to date.
Given the evenness of the competition it's not surprising that no one team dominates selection. Richmond leads the way with four players followed by West Coast and Adelaide with three apiece.
Carlton, Fremantle, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Brisbane, Port Adelaide and GWS are not represented in the final 22, though a Blue and a couple of Dockers came close to getting a guernsey.
ALL AUSTRALIAN TEAM
B: Alex Rance, Darren Glass, Beau Waters
HB: Brett Deledio, Brian Lake, Brendon Goddard
C: Jobe Watson (c), Brent Stanton, Patrick Dangerfield
HF: Steve Johnson, Lance Franklin, Tom Hawkins
F: Lewis Jetta, Jack Riewoldt, Steele Sidebottom
Foll: Dean Cox, Scott Pendlebury, Scott Thompson
I/C: Gary Ablett (vc), Ben Rutten, Josh Kennedy, Trent Cotchin
Alex Rance (Richmond)
Rance could have been All Australian in 2011 and if his form this year holds he will almost certainly earn his first jumper. After a forgettable to start to his career the 22-year-old is now shutting down the likes of Travis Cloke, Lance Franklin and Nick Riewoldt, averaging 20 disposals a game and linking up nicely in the Tigers backline.
Brett Deledio (Richmond)
Ross Lyon sent Ryan Crowley to shut down Deledio ahead of Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin at the weekend, which gives a good indication of just how damaging 'Lids' has become. Admittedly more of a midfielder than a defender (he leads the comp in inside-50s), Deledio is hitting career-best form as the Tigers move up the ladder.
Jack Riewoldt (Richmond)
Started the season slowly by his own standards and looked to be terribly out of form, but has come good just in time to make the AA halfway team. He is now averaging 3.1 goals per game, which is just below the 3.5 goals per game he averaged in his Coleman Medal winning year in 2010.
Trent Cotchin (Richmond)
Squeezes onto the interchange bench ahead of some big names due to his stellar form in blockbusters against Hawthorn and St Kilda. Sits inside the top 10 in disposals and inside-50s and has been galvanised by winning his first club best-and-fairest at the end of 2011.
Honourable mentions: Aaron Sandilands (Fre), Matthew Boyd (WB), Lenny Hayes (STK), Mitch Robinson (Carl), Joel Selwood (Geel), Scott Selwood (WCE), Michael Johnson (Fre), Taylor Walker (Adel), Ivan Maric (Rich)
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lol Cotch on the bench and Stanton on the ground.
facepalm.jpg
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Inb4 Craw has a stroke after reading Rance.
And lol @ Cox. No disrespect, but he's just the token "we can't have too many Tigers and no one will question Cox" player.
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Jacks no AA currently. The other 3 agree with
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Jacks no AA currently. The other 3 agree with
x 2. If his improved form continues until season's end then maybe but not at the moment.
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Jacks no AA currently. The other 3 agree with
I would have a slight doubt on Rance, but not averse to him being an AA on what I've seen this year.
Lids and Cotch should be staple AA for the next 5 years and Jack needs a big second half of the season to be considered, only thing in Jacks favour is he and Buddy as crap as they have played for most of the year thus far, in Jack's case at least no other key forward can be a matchwinner like Jack and the Glenferrie Gazelle.
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Rohan Connolly on SEN today had 4 Tigers in his All-Australian side so far - Cotch, Rance, Jack and Ivan. IIRC we had the most reps in his AA team which had opposition fans ringing up whinging about.
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Ie. Jack.
Hes not flying but how many afl kpf are?
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Ie. Jack.
Hes not flying but how many afl kpf are?
They usually pick the two leading goalkickers at FF and CHF in the AA side. That's why Jack will be included if he stays in the top 2 of the Coleman medal race.
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The year of playing surprisingly
Rohan Connolly
The Age
June 21, 2012
This year, shock picks in a team of the half-season are inevitable.
Do you agree with Rohan? He'll be live blogging from midday today. Have your say and send him any questions about his new-look best 22.
IT'S been a strange sort of football season. So it probably stands to reason that a mid-year All-Australian team would feature a few names that would have been at long odds to earn a spot only three months ago.
Back then, Lewis Jetta was a Sydney runner best-known for kicking a string of 19 consecutive behinds before he notched his first AFL goal. His teammate, Ted Richards, was viewed as an honest toiler, but hardly a candidate for best key defender in the competition.
Adelaide's Brent Reilly, meanwhile, had endured as many downs as ups in a variety of roles with the Crows, while Fremantle's Michael Johnson was coming off a season best described as ordinary, more uncharitably as a bit of a shocker.
Ivan Maric? He was just a gamble Richmond had taken at the trade table to bolster its ruck stocks. As for Alex Rance, you could have written your own ticket.
But form can turn quickly for those prepared to work hard enough and that quartet have thoroughly earned a spot in the half-season team of the year.
This is far from your typical AFL ''best of'' line-up. For a start, there's no Chris Judd. No Matthew Scarlett. In fact, only one Geelong player at all, skipper Joel Selwood, and in truth I only just managed to squeeze him in narrowly ahead of his captaincy counterpart at the Western Bulldogs, Matthew Boyd.
The Cats' senior crew this year haven't had the same consistency as usual, either in form or durability. So which teams provide the bulk of the selections?
I've got four players each from Adelaide, which won't surprise given the Crows' position on the ladder, and four from Richmond, which probably will raise some eyebrows, particularly given ladder leader West Coast has just one.
That's one more than six clubs, though, among them Carlton, whose best players have struggled or been injured, and a handful of others all had players with some sort of claim.
Before the catcalls start, here's the rationale. Eagles' skipper Darren Glass is, I think, a lock-in at full-back. But one of West Coast's biggest calling cards these days is its depth and evenness across its best 22, the lack of obvious standouts in individual terms more a tribute than an insult.
If you want a historical analogy, try Hawthorn in 1991, the Hawks that year landing a premiership without a single All-Australian representative. This is a selection about individual, not team success.
As for the Tigers, well, just because you're only 10th on the ladder, doesn't mean you haven't had some star performers.
Maric edges out Dean Cox for a ruck berth on his presence all over the ground, and on numbers. The man with the game's most unfashionable haircut wins more hit-outs than all his ruck peers, more possessions, and lays more tackles. His clearance numbers aren't shabby, either.
Trent Cotchin has been a standout, running second in The Age Player of the Year award to Essendon skipper Jobe Watson and, in this side, slots comfortably alongside the Bomber on a wing. Rance has been a revelation in defence, ranking highly for both intercept possessions and rebounds.
Up forward, Jack Riewoldt gets the nod at full-forward, Hawthorn superstar Lance Franklin alongside him in one pocket, the other occupied by another ''bolter'' in Taylor Walker, the precocious young Crow second only to Franklin on goals-per-game average. That's three of the AFL's top four goalkickers, the other, Nick Riewoldt, at centre-half-forward.
Collingwood's midfield class is underlined by the inclusion of three of its runners, the seamless Scott Pendlebury, Dane Swan, prolific as ever, and a young gun who just keeps getting better, Steele Sidebottom.
Sydney pair Jetta and Richards are both great stories. Jetta has become one of the most damaging runners in the competition and, with 27 goals, damaging on the scoreboard to boot.
Richards has taken his game to another level, in the top two for intercept possessions and marks, and the AFL's leading spoiler.
Like a few in this side, they're not the first names you think of when it comes to teams of the year, but then 2012, as we've already discovered, is a season full of surprises, and this compilation demonstrates that perfectly.
ROHAN CONNOLLY’S MID-SEASON ALL-AUSTRALIAN TEAM
B: Alex Rance (Rich), Darren Glass (WC), Michael Johnson (Frem)
HB: Brent Reilly (Adel), Ted Richards (Syd), Bob Murphy (WB)
C: Brent Stanton (Ess), Jobe Watson (Ess), Trent Cotchin (Rich)
HF: Lewis Jetta (Syd), Nick Riewoldt (StK), Steele Sidebottom (Coll)
F: Taylor Walker (Adel), Jack Riewoldt (Rich), Lance Franklin (Haw)
Foll: Ivan Maric (Rich), Scott Pendlebury (Coll), Gary Ablett (GC)
Inter: Scott Thompson (Adel), Joel Selwood (Geel), Patrick Dangerfield (Adel), Dane Swan (Coll)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-year-of-playing-surprisingly-20120620-20ojt.html#ixzz1yOKfEP2F
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Stanton. Gun.
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lids short end of the stick
poor bloke what more does he have
to do...
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Honestly, WGAF?
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Honestly, WGAF?
I agree with you gerks
OMG :gobdrop :gobdrop see it can happen ;D
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Honestly, WGAF?
I agree with you gerks
OMG :gobdrop :gobdrop see it can happen ;D
You agree with Gerks?
Honestly, WGAF?
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Honestly, WGAF?
I agree with you gerks
OMG :gobdrop :gobdrop see it can happen ;D
Cheeky boss
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instead of sit on the fence and moan about who was or who wasnt picked im gunna do a side. i have one tiger player out of left field im tempted to put in.. small/med defender. to me the best shut down sml/med defender this yr has been morris, he has done a job on every small forward this yr for us and what was an area we got toweeled up in is now well under control.
b/ lake - glass - waters. havent been beaten all yr.
hb/ birchall - richards/taylor - goddard/morris. went with goddard and birchall for their run and ball use, richards because the primary role is not get beaten.
c/ swan - watson - pendulbury. speaks for itself. statistically swan would only be behind ablett and thompson.
hf/ sidebottom - franklin - lewis - jetta. franklin and lewis jetta pick themselves as the best tall and best small forward. sidebottom because hes had a great yr and can play mid/forward.
f/ dangerfield - walker - riewoldt/riewoldt. walker is the second best performed kpf and had to be picked. chose our jcak as the third because of goals kicked. dangerfield see sidebottom.
r/ cox - thompson - ablett. these three speak for themselves.
int/ maric/jacobs - deledio - cotchin - kennedy. chose three tigers here but geez there was some competition for spots on the interchange.
chose ivan over jacobs because hes been better imo. deledio cotchin and kennedy are deserving inclusions. stanton was very stiff to miss.
think its a good positional team ie players have basically performed those roles and have performed consistently well. dont claim to be right have probably got plenty wrong as i dont see every player play very often outside of our tigers.
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:lol claw, you have a laugh at supporters putting in up to 5 tigers in the AA side and then what do you go and do? See its not that far fetched, several are definitely in contention
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:lol claw, you have a laugh at supporters putting in up to 5 tigers in the AA side and then what do you go and do? See its not that far fetched, several are definitely in contention
the 4 i mentioned excluding morris (as i dont see him getting selected usually they are made to have two or 3 good seasons to earn it ) . are all real chances to make it. thing is they have real competitions for their roles and could miss out and we have no representative.
i admit for once when doing the team i put the yellow and black glasses on.
other tigers who are statistically up there are tuck and grigg. i think we all agree 5 or 6 of our mids have been pretty good and pretty consistent most of the yr.
im loath to give jack a game because quite frankly despite getting on the score sheet the rest of his game has been poor for too many games. thing is hes the second leading goal kicker your forwards are there to kick goals.
i named 7 mids in the starting 18 and i dont think any of them can really be contested if they arent starting 18 they certainly are best 22.
from what i can put together again without having seen too much of a lot of players all of the following should be lock ins.
ad/ thomson, dangerfield, walker,
coll/ swan, pendulbury, sidebottom,
ess/ watson
gc/ ablett
haw/ franklin
syd/ richards, lewis jetta.
wce/ glass, waters cox.
thats 14 players it leaves 8 spots wide open. of which 4 of our boys are in contention for.
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SEN this arvo on the run home did their midseason All-Australian team. They just had one Tiger - Ivan No.1 ruck; two if you count Cotch who was listed as an emergency...
B: Robert Murphy, Darren Glass, Grant Birchall
HB: Beau Waters, Brian Lake, Corey Enright
C: Scott Thompson (Adel), Dane Swan, Jobe Watson
HF: Steele Sidebottom, Travis Cloke, Steve Johnson
F: Dean Cox, Lance Franklin, Cyril Rioli
R: Ivan Maric, Scott Pendlebury, Gary Ablett (capt)
INT: Brent Stanton, Josh Kennedy (Syd), Jimmy Bartel, Joel Selwood
EMG: Jordan Lewis, Trent Cotchin, Lenny Hayes
Apologies to Lewis Jetta, Rory Sloane and Ted Richards.
http://www.facebook.com/1116SEN/posts/482763285074158
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Geez chimp stiff.
Beu waters was pretty crap last game.
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SEN this arvo on the run home did their midseason All-Australian team. They just had one Tiger - Ivan No.1 ruck; two if you count Cotch who was listed as an emergency...
B: Robert Murphy, Darren Glass, Grant Birchall
HB: Beau Waters, Brian Lake, Corey Enright
C: Scott Thompson (Adel), Dane Swan, Jobe Watson
HF: Steele Sidebottom, Travis Cloke, Steve Johnson
F: Dean Cox, Lance Franklin, Cyril Rioli
R: Ivan Maric, Scott Pendlebury, Gary Ablett (capt)
INT: Brent Stanton, Josh Kennedy (Syd), Jimmy Bartel, Joel Selwood
EMG: Jordan Lewis, Trent Cotchin, Lenny Hayes
Apologies to Lewis Jetta, Rory Sloane and Ted Richards.
http://www.facebook.com/1116SEN/posts/482763285074158
Corey Enright stuff me sideways
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SEN this arvo on the run home did their midseason All-Australian team. They just had one Tiger - Ivan No.1 ruck; two if you count Cotch who was listed as an emergency...
B: Robert Murphy, Darren Glass, Grant Birchall
HB: Beau Waters, Brian Lake, Corey Enright
C: Scott Thompson (Adel), Dane Swan, Jobe Watson
HF: Steele Sidebottom, Travis Cloke, Steve Johnson
F: Dean Cox, Lance Franklin, Cyril Rioli
R: Ivan Maric, Scott Pendlebury, Gary Ablett (capt)
INT: Brent Stanton, Josh Kennedy (Syd), Jimmy Bartel, Joel Selwood
EMG: Jordan Lewis, Trent Cotchin, Lenny Hayes
Apologies to Lewis Jetta, Rory Sloane and Ted Richards.
http://www.facebook.com/1116SEN/posts/482763285074158
Steve Johnson, Cyril Rioli, Robert Murphy. WTF??? Not fair dinkum this side.
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SEN this arvo on the run home did their midseason All-Australian team. They just had one Tiger - Ivan No.1 ruck; two if you count Cotch who was listed as an emergency...
B: Robert Murphy, Darren Glass, Grant Birchall
HB: Beau Waters, Brian Lake, Corey Enright
C: Scott Thompson (Adel), Dane Swan, Jobe Watson
HF: Steele Sidebottom, Travis Cloke, Steve Johnson
F: Dean Cox, Lance Franklin, Cyril Rioli
R: Ivan Maric, Scott Pendlebury, Gary Ablett (capt)
INT: Brent Stanton, Josh Kennedy (Syd), Jimmy Bartel, Joel Selwood
EMG: Jordan Lewis, Trent Cotchin, Lenny Hayes
Apologies to Lewis Jetta, Rory Sloane and Ted Richards.
http://www.facebook.com/1116SEN/posts/482763285074158
Steve Johnson, Cyril Rioli, Robert Murphy. WTF??? Not fair dinkum this side.
Who was it they announced this team? Marko and ox?? If so but sorry no clue at all. And really think about this, we are not fresh in the mind of the media. We've just come off a bye and put in two poorer efforts compared to earlier. Imo
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lol wgaf, the real results are on the field for all to see.
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Robbo has updated his All-Australian side today ...
ALL AUSTRALIAN PART II
B: Grant Birchall, Darren Glass, Brent Reilly
HB: Heath Shaw, Ted Richards, Beau Waters
C: Dane Swan, Jobe Watson, Trent Cotchin.
HF: Dayne Beams, Lance Franklin, Lewis Jetta
F: Nick Riewoldt, Matthew Pavlich, Cyril Rioli
Foll: Dean Cox, Scott Thompson, Gary Ablett
Inter: Sam Jacobs, Scott Pendlebury, Sam Mitchell, Joel Selwood
Apologies go to Hayes, Wells, Deledio, Stanton, Dangerfield, Betts, Josh Kennedy, Milne, McPharlin, Gibson, Jack and Walker among others.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/richmond-crawls-out-of-cairns-after-bank-job-goes-awry/story-fn5937w8-1226426663483
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What a moron. No Deledio.
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All Aussie form
Paul Daffey
Wed 29 Aug, 2012
HOW DO you fit them all in? That is the question the All Australian selectors will be asking themselves when it comes to naming the 2012 team. AFL.com.au takes a look at the players who are giving the selectors plenty to think about.
RICHMOND
Trent Cotchin: Put simply, the 22-year-old midfielder has become one of the top few players in the competition and will walk into the All Australian team (slightly hunched, of course). His inside and outside work earns him a place on two fronts.
Brett Deledio: The hard-running midfielder has been an All Australian nominee three times (2008, '10 and '11) and, at 25, it's high time he made the final team. After another excellent season, he deserves it, too.
Chris Newman: The Tigers' director and chief distributor should be at the front of the queue for a small defender's spot. At 30, and without having played in a final, it would be a major fillip for a career spent mostly in the shadows.
Ivan Maric: It's no coincidence that Richmond's midfield has become so highly rated since the 26-year-old ruckman crossed from Adelaide before this season. If effect on a team is a criterion, he's right in the running.
Jack Riewoldt: It's a sign of his talent that Riewoldt is even in line for an All Australian berth after an up-and-down season. But, hey, if he wins the Coleman Medal, he's in. He made the 2010 All Australian team after winning that season's Coleman.
Shane Tuck: Wouldn’t this be a coup for battlers everywhere? The enduring 30-year-old ranks in the top 10 for disposals, clearances and contested possessions, so he's a sneaky chance for a spot on the bench.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/146066/default.aspx#tigers
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ib4newmanispoo
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Newman is poo.
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I actually reckon Newman will make the squad of 40 despite being one of the worst captains in this clubs history
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i laughed at the reason newman should be in the squad.
Because he has spent his career in the shadows,lol
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What about Post?
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hahahahaha
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What about Post?
Which one??
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Can't believe Dea hasn't bee offered a crack at HBF :nope
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Can't believe Dea hasn't bee offered a crack at HBF :nope
Should have at least been nominated for the rising star this year! some people have no idea >:(
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Andrew Browne just sold me candy
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Andrew Browne just sold me candy
8)
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What a moron. No Deledio.
No Dangerfield either from Robbo bu Eddie Betts gets an apology. :lol :rollin :lol
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Robbo has Cotch, Lids and Jack in his ALL AUSTRALIAN TEAM
B: Brent Reilly, Luke McPharlin, Grant Birchall,
HB: Beau Waters, Ted Richards, Corey Enright
C: Patrick Dangerfield, Jobe Watson, Dane Swan
HF: Stephen Milne, Lance Franklin, Dayne Beams
F: Matthew Pavlich, Jack Riewoldt, Cyril Rioli
Foll: Dean Cox, Trent Cotchin, Gary Ablett.
Inter: Scott Thompson (Adel), Brett Deledio, Joel Selwood, Sam Mitchell.
Mark Robinson's The Tackle (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/collingwood-needs-to-get-down-and-dirty-if-theyre-going-to-go-deep-into-finals/story-fn5937w8-1226463489723)
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Robbo has Cotch, Lids and Jack in his ALL AUSTRALIAN TEAM
B: Brent Reilly, Luke McPharlin, Grant Birchall,
HB: Beau Waters, Ted Richards, Corey Enright
C: Patrick Dangerfield, Jobe Watson, Dane Swan
HF: Stephen Milne, Lance Franklin, Dayne Beams
F: Matthew Pavlich, Jack Riewoldt, Cyril Rioli
Foll: Dean Cox, Trent Cotchin, Gary Ablett.
Inter: Scott Thompson (Adel), Brett Deledio, Joel Selwood, Sam Mitchell.
Mark Robinson's The Tackle (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/collingwood-needs-to-get-down-and-dirty-if-theyre-going-to-go-deep-into-finals/story-fn5937w8-1226463489723)
Ivan says hi Robbo.
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Robbo has Cotch, Lids and Jack in his ALL AUSTRALIAN TEAM
B: Brent Reilly, Luke McPharlin, Grant Birchall,
HB: Beau Waters, Ted Richards, Corey Enright
C: Patrick Dangerfield, Jobe Watson, Dane Swan
HF: Stephen Milne, Lance Franklin, Dayne Beams
F: Matthew Pavlich, Jack Riewoldt, Cyril Rioli
Foll: Dean Cox, Trent Cotchin, Gary Ablett.
Inter: Scott Thompson (Adel), Brett Deledio, Joel Selwood, Sam Mitchell.
Mark Robinson's The Tackle (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/collingwood-needs-to-get-down-and-dirty-if-theyre-going-to-go-deep-into-finals/story-fn5937w8-1226463489723)
Ivan says hi Robbo.
All good Pav will take 2nd ruck. :thumbsup
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Ivan says die Blobbo.
bit harsh
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Ivan says die Blobbo.
bit harsh
:clapping
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Steven Morris should be back pocket.
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Cotch, Lids, Ivan and Jack have made the All-Australian 40-man squad:
FULL SQUAD:
P Dangerfield, S Jacobs, B Reilly, S Thompson, T Walker (Adelaide)
E Betts (Carlton)
D Beams, S Pendlebury, D Swan (Collingwood)
J Watson (Essendon)
L McPharlin, M Pavlich (Fremantle)
C Enright, T Hawkins, T Lonergan, J Selwood, H Taylor (Geelong)
G Ablett (Gold Coast)
G Birchall, L Franklin, S Mitchell, C Rioli (Hawthorn)
D Petrie, A Swallow (North Melbourne)
T Cotchin, B Deledio, I Maric, J Riewoldt (Richmond)
S Dempster, L Hayes, S Milne, N Riewoldt (St Kilda)
K Jack, L Jetta, J Kennedy, T Richards (Sydney)
D Cox, D Glass, N Naitanui, B Waters (West Coast)
No players from Brisbane, GWS, Melbourne, Port and Bulldogs.
The All Australian Selection panel is Andrew Demetriou (chairman), Adrian Anderson, Kevin Bartlett, Luke Darcy, Danny Frawley, Gerard Healy, Glen Jakovich and Mark Ricciuto
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/146763/default.aspx
Trent Cotchin
Never previously selected. 22 games in 2012. 372 kicks (Fourth in the AFL), 92 marks, 234 handballs, averaging 16.9 kicks, 4.2 marks, 10.6 handballs. Eighth in the AFL in total disposals. 21 Goals, 16 Behinds. 113 Clearances, 116 Inside 50m (Fourth in the AFL), 31 Rebound 50m. 107 Tackles.
Brett Deledio
Never previously selected. 22 games in 2012. 339 kicks (Tenth in the AFL), 110 marks, 266 handballs, averaging 15.4 kicks, 5.0 marks, 12.1 handballs. Ninth in the AFL in total disposals. 17 Goals, 15 Behinds. 82 Clearances, 129 Inside 50m (First in the AFL), 42 Rebound 50m. 102 Tackles.
Ivan Maric
Never previously selected. 21 games in 2012. 158 kicks, 92 marks, 175 handballs, averaging 7.5 kicks, 4.4 marks, 8.3 handballs. 652 hit outs (Third in the AFL), averaging 31.0 hit outs. Seven Goals, Six Behinds. 65 Clearances, 47 Inside 50m, 17 Rebound 50m. 79 Tackles.
Jack Riewoldt
All Australian 2010. 21 games in 2012. 211 kicks, 114 marks, 80 handballs, averaging 9.6 kicks, 5.2 marks, 3.6 handballs. 65n Goals (First in the AFL), 48 Behinds. Nine Clearances, 40 Inside 50m, One Rebound 50m. 57 Tackles.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/146771/default.aspx
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What a bunch of nuffers they have on the selection panel
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What a bunch of nuffers they have on the selection panel
There all good blokes, butt out......
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Go N.Riewoldt and Cyril.
Stars of the game.
In a word, no.
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Jetta, Natanui and Rioli. Seriously?
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Selection panel are clueless
Didn't pendles miss 6 weeks? And since he's come back he hasn't been at the same level. Elite player but 2012 AA?
No
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3AW's All Australian Team Selections
3AW FOOTBALL
6 September, 2012
The AFL appointed selection panel have narrowed the field down to 40 contenders for 2012 All-Australian team selection.
3AW Footy Experts Mick Malthouse, Brian Taylor, Matthew Richardson & Matthew Lloyd have had a crack at picking their 'best of the best' from the AFL's squad.
Have they got it right?
MICK MALTHOUSE'S TEAM
B: Glass, Richards, Dempster
HB: Waters, McPharlin, Birchall
C: Pendlebury, Kennedy, Swan
HF: Dangerfield, Petrie, Ablett
F: Betts, Hawkins, Naitanui
R: Cox, Thompson, Beams
INT: Selwood, Watson, Cotchin, Mitchell
BRIAN TAYLOR'S TEAM:
B: Taylor, Glass, Enright
HB: Lonergan, McPharlin, Deledio
C: Dangerfield, Mitchell, Swan
HF: Kennedy, Franklin, Rioli
F: Pavlich, Hawkins, Milne
R: Jacobs, Selwood, Ablett
INT: Beams, Watson, Thompson, Cotchin
MATTHEW RICHARDSON'S TEAM:
B: Birchall, Glass, Enright
HB: Deledio, Richards, Waters
C: Dangerfield, Ablett, Beams
HF: Swan, Reiwoldt, Rioli
F: Milne, Hawkins, Pavlich
R: Cox, Watson, Cotchin
INT: Kennedy, Thompson, Selwood, Franklin
MATTHEW LLOYD'S TEAM:
B: Taylor, McPharlin, Enright
HB: Birchall, Richards, Glass
C: Deledio, Watson, Selwood
HF: Beams, Franklin, Dangerfield
F: Hawkins, Pavlich, Milne
R: Cox, Cotchin, Ablett
INT: Mitchell, Thompson, Jacobs, Kennedy
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-football-blog/3aws-all-australian-team-selections/20120906-25gum.html
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Our All Australian team
Source: BigPond Sport
By Staff reporters
Friday, September 14, 2012
ALL AUSTRALIAN TEAM
B: Beau Waters, Ted Richards, Harry Taylor
HB: Grant Birchall, Luke McPharlin, Brett Deledio
C: Patrick Dangerfield, Josh P. Kennedy, Scott Thompson
HF: Dayne Beams, Matthew Pavlich (c), Trent Cotchin
F: Stephen Milne, Lance Franklin, Tom Hawkins
Foll: Dean Cox, Jobe Watson (vc), Gary Ablett
Int: Sam Jacobs, Matthew Boyd, Dane Swan, Scott Pendlebury
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Brett Deledio (Rich)
The former No.1 draft pick enjoyed more time in the midfield during 2012, and rewarded his coach with some standout performances. Averaged 28 possessions a game, and mostly made them count.
Trent Cotchin (Rich)
Built on a fine 2011 to become one of the league's very best players. The Tigers skipper-in-waiting can do it all - from winning his own footy, feeding it to outside runners and receiving the ball himself. Consistently had an impact when shifted forward by coach Damien Hardwick, too. A deserving winner of the AFL coaches award MVP.
http://www.bigpondsport.com/our-all-australian-team/tabid/91/newsid/95342/default.aspx
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It's become obvious that Malthouse is a gobbler
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Ahhahaha Cotch HFF and Lidsy HBF.
Mick is a moron.
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How does that weasel Milne get picked before the Coleman medalist?
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I'd be asking the same question if Jack was 170cm
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It's become obvious that Malthouse is a gobbler
Exactly what i was thinking when I scrolled down his team
I dont care if our players dont recieve huge wraps this year but pendles and swan?? really based on what??
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It's become obvious that Malthouse is a gobbler
Exactly what i was thinking when I scrolled down his team
I dont care if our players dont recieve huge wraps this year but pendles and swan?? really based on what??
I think Swanny is fairo but not sure on Pendles. Beams starting on ball is a disgrace and no Milne yet Betts and NicNat in the pockets is laughable
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It's become obvious that Malthouse is a gobbler
Exactly what i was thinking when I scrolled down his team
I dont care if our players dont recieve huge wraps this year but pendles and swan?? really based on what??
I think Swanny is fairo but not sure on Pendles. Beams starting on ball is a disgrace and no Milne yet Betts and NicNat in the pockets is laughable
Pendles missed 6 weeks of football and hasn't been at his best since he came back. No where near it imo
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Makes me even more confident that Malthouse at Carlton will be a right royal disaster. The bloke lives in 2010.
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It's become obvious that Malthouse is a gobbler
Exactly what i was thinking when I scrolled down his team
I dont care if our players dont recieve huge wraps this year but pendles and swan?? really based on what??
I think Swanny is fairo but not sure on Pendles. Beams starting on ball is a disgrace and no Milne yet Betts and NicNat in the pockets is laughable
Pendles missed 6 weeks of football and hasn't been at his best since he came back. No where near it imo
yeah that's what I mean. I thinkSwan's selection is fair enough but Pendlebury probably missed too much
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I cant stand matty Lloyd but he does know his stuff and has selected a pretty good team... As for the tip rat Milne he is by far the best small fwd in the comp and should be fwd pocket.
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I cant stand matty Lloyd but he does know his stuff and has selected a pretty good team... As for the tip rat Milne he is by far the best small fwd in the comp and should be fwd pocket.
:thumbsup
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Cotchin on the interchange? WTF!!!???!!!
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Wheres Riewoldt....Get on to it Montana and get it done.
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Rohan Connolly has Cotch and Ivan in his All-Australian side but no Jack nor Lids...
Sorry Jack, but three aces trumped you
Rohan Connolly
The Age
September 17, 2012
IT GOES without saying that you can't please everyone when picking an All-Australian team, but generally you'll find reasonable consensus about at least 75 per cent of those selected.
Recent years have followed a bit of a pattern, too, a consequence of the way the modern game has become the province of an army of midfield running types supplemented by a few key position players, a couple of smaller forwards and defenders, and one or two ruckmen.
Which makes the task in 2012 just a little different. Normally, most of those keys and the ruckmen tend to pick themselves, the debates spared for which of the long catalogue of worthy midfield candidates should make the cut. This time, in my team at least, it has been the other way around.
I've had few issues with my selections of the on-ballers. The far closer call was about which key defenders, forwards and rucks deserved the nod more.
Only one Coleman medallist in the past dozen seasons, St Kilda's Fraser Gehrig in 2005, has failed to get the nod as the All-Australian spearhead. When the official team is announced tonight, it might happen again. It did in my version, anyway.
As good a year as he had, Jack Riewoldt topped the goalkicking in 2012 with the lowest tally for just on 50 years. The Richmond full-forward was consistent, going goalless only twice, but there weren't so many highs for him, kicking three goals or fewer in 14 games.
One of the two runners-up to Riewoldt, Tom Hawkins, just three goals behind, played further afield, and to me was the standout centre half-forward of the season. The other, Matthew Pavlich, was more explosive, won a lot more ball besides, and in a team picked to play, as the team of the year is, sits comfortably in a forward pocket.
In the goal square, I couldn't go past Lance Franklin who, despite missing six games, still booted 59 goals, and whose goals-per-game average of 3.7 was a clear best. Apologies Jack, it was a close call.
At the other end of the ground, meanwhile, I've made a bigger call still. How North Melbourne's Scott Thompson (and Hawthorn's Josh Gibson for that matter) failed to make the official All-Australian squad of 40 is beyond me.
Thompson held the Kangaroos' defence together all season. He shut down plenty of opposition goalkickers, but also proved one of the best defensive rebounders going around, so effective that he led the AFL for intercept possessions and was fourth for rebounds. In my team, both he and his Adelaide midfield namesake get a gong.
West Coast skipper and full-back Darren Glass might be a little stiff, but I couldn't go past Luke McPharlin, who was just as effective a negator, and had significantly more disposals, marks and rebounds.
One key defender was an easy pick, though, Sydney centre half-back Ted Richards, who not only shut down some big names, but was also a leading source of drive and rebound for his team. His would be a very popular All-Australian nod indeed.
I've gone for Grant Birchall and Brent Reilly as my running defenders, with St Kilda's Sean Dempster unlucky, and Brett Deledio perhaps even more so. The Richmond star could have snuck in there or in the midfield, but in the end probably paid a price for time spent in either spot.
I'm happy with Collingwood's Dane Swan as a half-forward flanker. The Brownlow medallist had his critics for alleged lack of defensive pressure, but in this side that's a quality hardly lacking, and how do you overlook an output that is close to an average 36 disposals per game?
As for the small forward spot, it's St Kilda veteran Stephen Milne for me. While you can't fault Cyril Rioli's class or tackling pressure, Milne kicked 56 goals to the Hawk's 35. That's the small forward's bread and butter and, in scoreboard terms, Milne was clearly the most effective of his kind.
In the ruck, Dean Cox is a lock.
My second ruckman is Richmond recruit Ivan Maric. Adelaide's Sam Jacobs had his claims, Nic Naitanui is undoubtedly spectacular, but Maric, as well as running a very close second for hitout numbers, did a power of work around the ground, a clear leader of his type for clearances and tackles.
Midfielders? That's easier. Trent Cotchin, Jobe Watson, Gary Ablett, Patrick Dangerfield, the other Thompson, Dayne Beams, Josh Kennedy and Sam Mitchell were clear selections, and Scott Pendlebury's season good enough.
Close but just squeezed out in the end were Kieren Jack and Andrew Swallow.
The football landscape can certainly change quickly. A glance back at my mid-season team shows it has changed by almost half in just three months. Swans runner and goalkicker Lewis Jetta losing a little touch the longer the season has gone, mids such as Brent Stanton and Steele Sidebottom tailing off. Taylor Walker and Joel Selwood were just surpassed by rivals with bigger finishes.
No shame in that, and those last two in particular are candidates for whom you could still argue a strong case. As with any All-Australian team, though, it's not who makes it, but who doesn't, that is always the bigger bone of contention.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sorry-jack-but-three-aces-trumped-you-20120916-260ul.html#ixzz26ecn5rkZ
B: Beau Waters (WC) Luke McPharlin (Fre) Scott Thompson (NM)
HB: Grant Birchall (Haw) Ted Richards (Syd) Brent Reilly (Ade)
C: Patrick Dangerfield (Ade) Jobe Watson (Ess) Dayne Beams (Col)
HF: Scott Pendlebury (Col) Tom Hawkins (Gee) Dane Swan (Col)
F: Stephen Milne (StK) Lance Franklin (Haw) Matthew Pavlich (Fre)
Foll: Dean Cox (WC) Trent Cotchin (Ric) Gary Ablett (GC)
Int: Ivan Maric (Ric), Scott Thompson (Ade), Sam Mitchell (Haw), Josh Kennedy (Syd)
http://images.theage.com.au/2012/09/16/3639651/rohan-2012-all-australian_7.jpg
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Adrian Anderson, Kevin Bartlett, Gerard Healy, Luke Darcy, Glen Jakovich, Danny Frawley, Mark Ricciuto and Andrew Demetriou decide the 2012 All-Australian side.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/catch-22-has-never-been-more-appropriate-as-all-australian-selectors-wrestle-with-final-call/story-e6frf9jf-1226475177679
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Adrian Anderson, Kevin Bartlett, Gerard Healy, Luke Darcy, Glen Jakovich, Danny Frawley, Mark Ricciuto and Andrew Demetriou decide the 2012 All-Australian side.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/catch-22-has-never-been-more-appropriate-as-all-australian-selectors-wrestle-with-final-call/story-e6frf9jf-1226475177679
That list doesn't inspire me with any confidence that they know what they're doing.
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Pick Your 2012 Four'N Twenty AFL All Australian Team and Win
Thanks to Four 'N Twenty, you can pick your 22-man All Australian Team from the squad of 40 and win a guernsey signed by this year's team.
http://www.afl.com.au/NewsViews/MajorEvents/AllAustralian/tabid/863/Default.aspx
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Pavlich hasn't been invited to the All-Australian tonight so I'd take it from that he isn't in the final 22.
Does that mean Jack is in as the Coleman medallist? He'll still be up aganst Franklin, Hawkins and Petrie.
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A joke if Frawley's on the panel
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3AW's All Australian Team Selections
3AW FOOTBALL
6 September, 2012
MICK MALTHOUSE'S TEAM
B: Glass, Richards, Dempster
HB: Waters, McPharlin, Birchall
C: Pendlebury, Kennedy, Swan
HF: Dangerfield, Petrie, Ablett
F: Betts, Hawkins, Naitanui
R: Cox, Thompson, Beams
INT: Selwood, Watson, Cotchin, Mitchell
BRIAN TAYLOR'S TEAM:
B: Taylor, Glass, Enright
HB: Lonergan, McPharlin, Deledio
C: Dangerfield, Mitchell, Swan
HF: Kennedy, Franklin, Rioli
F: Pavlich, Hawkins, Milne
R: Jacobs, Selwood, Ablett
INT: Beams, Watson, Thompson, Cotchin
Any so called expert who doesn't have Cotchin in their starting 18 knows sweet FA about footy or has been living under a rock this season.
Insanity !
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A joke if Frawley's on the panel
He might pick Jack because he'll see Riewoldt and think it's Nick :wallywink.
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Pavlich is stiff to miss out this year, best season I've seen from him to date in all honesty but this prob makes up for the 2 or 3 he was gifted early on in his career.
I really hope Lids gets a gig tonight, has been robbed the past 2 years, surely this year he finally gets a gong
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Wheres Riewoldt....Get on to it Montana and get it done.
Fug him and u chucky boy, ranga doesn't deserve it but will get it anyway now that news confirms Pav missed out. Bonus as he will pee it in year in year out if he plays the footy he's capable of.
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Pavlich is stiff to miss out this year, best season I've seen from him to date in all honesty but this prob makes up for the 2 or 3 he was gifted early on in his career.
I really hope Lids gets a gig tonight, has been robbed the past 2 years, surely this year he finally gets a gong
Agree with all that TM.
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Pavlich hasn't been invited to the All-Australian tonight so I'd take it from that he isn't in the final 22.
Does that mean Jack is in as the Coleman medallist? He'll still be up aganst Franklin, Hawkins and Petrie.
I don't get it, wouldn't the squad of 40 all get invited?
Maybe he has a surgery or something booked in and can't make it, and is playing funny buggers by saying he didn't get an invite.
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lids in hospital recovering from knee op
wont be able to make it.
alas, i dont he will get in anyway which
would be a rip off for the guy.
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Why did lids have op :-\,
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alas, i dont he will get in anyway which
would be a rip off for the guy.
Why not Rog? Lids and Cotch are shue ins :shh
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The official team is now being announced ...
Backline: Sean Dempster (Saints), Luke McPharlin (Freo), Darren Glass (Eagles)
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Half-Backline: Beau Waters (Eagles), Ted Richards (Swans), Grant Birchall (Hawks)
No genuine small defender named?
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What a bloody joke, morris, lids rance anyone ::)
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Cotchyyyy
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Cotch made the centreline :thumbsup
Centre-line: Trent Cotchin (Tigers), Jobe Watson (Bombers), Dayne Beams (Pies)
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Cotch made the centreline :thumbsup
Centre-line: Trent Cotchin (Tigers), Jobe Watson (Bombers), Dayne Beams (Pies)
Wheres lidsy ::)
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Half-Forward line: Patrick Dangerfield (Crows), Lance Franklin (Hawks), Cyril Rioli (Hawks).
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Congrats to Cotch :bow :clapping
How did Rioli get into the AA team this year? :huh
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does anyone have Rioli's stats this year
fair dinkum what a joke this award is
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No Jack.
Cox named in the forward line.
Forward line: Stephen Milne (Saints), Tom Hawkins (Cats), Dean Cox (Eagles).
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So much for putting players in the position they mainly play :huh.
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Rucks: Nic Naitanui (Eagles), Scott Thompson (Crows), Gary Ablett (Suns).
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Is this some sort of joke?
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Lids made the bench ....
Interchange: Brett Deledio (Tigers), Josh Kennedy (Swans), Scott Pendlebury (Pies), Dane Swan (Pies).
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Natanui, Rioli. hahahah
what a complete joke
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Well done Lids and Cotchin.
Jack should of been in place of Cox. Do they need a part-time forward/ruck in the team if they don't have a smaller defender.
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Omg nicnat in before maric , ya gotta be pullin my chain :lol
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Well done Lids and Cotchin.
Jack should of been in place of Cox. Do they need a part-time forward/ruck in the team if they don't have a smaller defender.
kidding yourself. Jack doesnt deserve to be AA ahead of Cox.
Maric though. How Natanui is ahead of him is farcical
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Official 2012 All-Australian team
B: Sean Dempster Luke McPharlin Darren Glass (c)
HB: Beau Waters Ted Richards Grant Birchall
C: Trent Cotchin Jobe Watson Dayne Beams
HF: Patrick Dangerfield Lance Franklin Cyril Rioli
F: Stephen Milne Tom Hawkins Dean Cox
R: Nic Naitanui Scott Thompson Gary Ablett (vc)
Int: Brett Deledio, Josh Kennedy, Scott Pendlebury, Dane Swan
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Lids made the bench ....
Interchange: Brett Deledio (Tigers), Josh Kennedy (Swans), Scott Pendlebury (Pies), Dane Swan (Pies).
Would have been reprehensible to miss out
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Just have to do this :rollin :rollin
Or I'll end up doing either this :'( :'( or this :banghead :banghead
No Maric is a pathetic
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Well done Lids and Cotchin.
Jack should of been in place of Cox. Do they need a part-time forward/ruck in the team if they don't have a smaller defender.
kidding yourself. Jack doesnt deserve to be AA ahead of Cox.
Maric though. How Natanui is ahead of him is farcical
I think the Coleman medallist should be in the side even if it wasn't his best year. Maybe drop Hawkins out for him.
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Official 2012 All-Australian team
B: Sean Dempster Luke McPharlin Darren Glass (c)
HB: Beau Waters Ted Richards Grant Birchall
C: Trent Cotchin Jobe Watson Dayne Beams
HF: Patrick Dangerfield Lance Franklin Cyril Rioli
F: Stephen Milne Tom Hawkins Dean Cox
R: Nic Naitanui Scott Thompson Gary Ablett (vc)
Int: Brett Deledio, Josh Kennedy, Scott Pendlebury, Dane Swan
Rioli being in there is laughable. He averaged just 15 disposals per game this year. He kicked 37 goals but our Nahas kicked 34 so so what. Betts kicked 48.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1809
NicNat is not better than Cox and Maric. Then they stuck Cox in a forward pocket like it's footy 20-30 years ago. NicNat average less disposals and hitouts than both Cox and Ivan. Another joke of a decision. They clearly penalised Ivan because he didn't kick many goals. So much for it being about the best ruckman as Ivan had the most hitouts and most hitouts to advantage in the AFL.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2012&PlayerName1=Dean+Cox&PlayerName2=Ivan+Maric&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&Compare=Compare&SelectedPlayers=1942%2C
It should be:
Rioli -> Pavlich
NicNat -> Maric
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Nic nat :lol laughable
Rioli running joke at how over rated he is, super talent but doesn't deliver consistently
Thought Jacobs was number in the hit outs stats? Anyhow both Jacobs and Ivan were much better ruckmen than Nic Nat, did you hear Healys reasoning? In terms of time spent in the ruck his numbers were blah blah blah :lol Robbo went to town on him regarding Jacobs and raw stats.
Swan should have been half forward instead of Cyril and someone like Kieran Jack or Mitchell should have made it.
Not sold on Hawkins at FF, think he was poo for 14-15 weeks, Pav was stiffbot miss out and In lieu of that Jack was very stiff to still miss out. Pendles also lucky to make it
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Don't forget Milne -> Betts
I thought the only thing that hurt Maric was that he didn't typically rest forward. I agree with the comments on Cox but at the time I thought he got it because he often played forward then relieved Naitanui. But when they called Cox up forward I assumed it was because Jacobs (or Maric at a long shot) who got the number one ruck spot. Definitely didn't see Naitanui getting it though...
Two Tigers must be the Richmond quota though ::)
And ROFL @ Brayshaw in MMM this arvo that Swallow didn't get a mention :rollin
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Just have to do this :rollin :rollin
Or I'll end up doing either this :'( :'( or this :banghead :banghead
No Maric is a pathetic
i know his yr was far better than nicnat .. so what the black bigbird can jump, he just does a cameo here and there and thats it
overrated wamker
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Don't forget Milne -> Betts
I thought the only thing that hurt Maric was that he didn't typically rest forward. I agree with the comments on Cox but at the time I thought he got it because he often played forward then relieved Naitanui. But when they called Cox up forward I assumed it was because Jacobs (or Maric at a long shot) who got the number one ruck spot. Definitely didn't see Naitanui getting it though...
Two Tigers must be the Richmond quota though ::)
And ROFL @ Brayshaw in MMM this arvo that Swallow didn't get a mention :rollin
milne poos all over betts, milne is the best small fwd going around , second best is le cras but he has been injured
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Nic nat :lol laughable
Rioli running joke at how over rated he is, super talent but doesn't deliver consistently
Thought Jacobs was number in the hit outs stats? Anyhow both Jacobs and Ivan were much better ruckmen than Nic Nat, did you hear Healys reasoning? In terms of time spent in the ruck his numbers were blah blah blah :lol Robbo went to town on him regarding Jacobs and raw stats.
Swan should have been half forward instead of Cyril and someone like Kieran Jack or Mitchell should have made it.
Not sold on Hawkins at FF, think he was poo for 14-15 weeks, Pav was stiffbot miss out and In lieu of that Jack was very stiff to still miss out. Pendles also lucky to make it
agree with all that TM...gee pav was stiff...quiet first half of season darcy says....buddy missed 6 or 7 rounds :lol...why didnt hawkins win the bloody coleman then hey ::)
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Don't forget Milne -> Betts
I thought the only thing that hurt Maric was that he didn't typically rest forward. I agree with the comments on Cox but at the time I thought he got it because he often played forward then relieved Naitanui. But when they called Cox up forward I assumed it was because Jacobs (or Maric at a long shot) who got the number one ruck spot. Definitely didn't see Naitanui getting it though...
Two Tigers must be the Richmond quota though ::)
And ROFL @ Brayshaw in MMM this arvo that Swallow didn't get a mention :rollin
milne poos all over betts, milne is the best small fwd going around , second best is le cras but he has been injured
Only in Goals. Betts dominated every other stat this year.
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Omg Natanui and Rioli,
F'n joke.
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no problem with rioli being in the side. he played almost exclusively as a sml forward averaged almost 4 more possesions a game than the other contenders and roughly double the tackles. when he tackles they are effective.
to me the only area milne was better than rioli was the number of goals kicked.
to me either big ivan or sam jacobs were robbed.
would also have put cox on the bench and had pavlich in a forward pocket.jack was a bit stiff but there were areas of his game that were ordinary.
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Natanui, Rioli. hahahah
what a complete joke
x 2 Daniel. Terrible selections, nowhere near AA form from those 2 this year.
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I had no problem with Jack missing out to Hawkins but the stats tell me I might be selling him short. Both played 21 games:
Riewoldt - 211 kicks, 114 marks, 80 handballs, averaging 9.6 kicks, 5.2 marks, 3.6 handballs. 65 goals, 48 behinds, 9 clearances, 40 I50m, 1 rebound 50m, 57 tackles.
Hawkins - 194 kicks, 141 marks, 75 handballs, averaging 9.2 kicks, 6.7 marks, 3.6 handballs. 62 goals, 36 behinds, 9 clearances, 44 I50m, 25 tackles.
In hindsight, not really a compelling case for Tomahawk over the reigning Coleman Medallist.
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Yeah but he kicked a goal after the siren once
Apparently Karmichael is filthy he missed out
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i know his yr was far better than nicnat .. so what the black bigbird can jump, he just does a cameo here and there and thats it
overrated wamker
So nicnat is a wanker because some clowns picked him in some meaningless squad?
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no problem with rioli being in the side. he played almost exclusively as a sml forward averaged almost 4 more possesions a game than the other contenders and roughly double the tackles. when he tackles they are effective.
to me the only area milne was better than rioli was the number of goals kicked.
to me either big ivan or sam jacobs were robbed.
Good post. Agree with all that.
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:lol they're quick with these
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/40C6CABE-E5CF-4675-8E71-24CF89EA2DAC-1341-000004D98E57D789.jpg)
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Gus 2010 >>>>>>>NicNat2012
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Congrats to Trent and Lids. Very poor decision to leave out Maric. Thought they would leave out Jack. Pav will feel aggrieved.
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to me either big ivan or sam jacobs were robbed.
would also have put cox on the bench and had pavlich in a forward pocket.jack was a bit stiff but there were areas of his game that were ordinary.
Agree claw - taking off my Tiger's cap I thought Jacobs was a real show, he's had a very good season
The NicNat selection however you look at it just cannot be justified. Yes he can be exciting but when has he actually won a game for the Eagles off his own boot? He players a couple of good quarters and then goes missing for weeks. His form in the finals as perfect example I would have thought
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Nat said it before and last time, good athletic player but most overhyped afl player by a country mile, jack was stiff (tom is still a big girl and the handbag will come out as the cats slip away)!
Anyway great talking point the AA and some fantastic players. Could make a great B team also 'Now that would be an interesting match'!
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The biggest joke of the All-Australian awards is that Luke Darcy is one of the selectors.
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnwltqhA7R1qzj7lm.png)
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Where was the token selection of Hurley? :banghead
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the mullet very unlucky, but cotch and dids well deserved lets hope they grow even more next year and help us to the finals.
Unsure why coxs would even start in the pocket i would have thought on the bench and had one of the benches start in pocket.
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VIDEO: Cotch and Lids highights ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/491106/default.aspx
The full list of Tiger All-Australians:
1956: Des Rowe, Roy Wright
1966: Neville Crowe
1969: Royce Hart
1979: David Cloke, Bruce Monteath, Michael Roach
1980: Jim Jess, Mark Lee, Geoff Raines
1983: Mark Lee, Maurice Rioli
1985: Mark Lee, Dale Weightman
1986: Maurice Rioli, Dale Weightman
1988: Dale Weightman
1995: Wayne Campbell
1996: Matthew Richardson
1998: Matthew Knights
1999: Matthew Richardson, Wayne Campbell
2000: Andrew Kellaway, Darren Gaspar
2001: Darren Gaspar, Brad Ottens
2005: Joel Bowden
2006: Joel Bowden
2007: Nathan Foley
2008: Matthew Richardson
2010: Jack Riewoldt
2012: Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond_Football_Club#All_Australian_selections
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I've been thinking about Jack missing AA selection and I reckon it could be the best thing for him. Being an ego-centric personality, he will be cut deeper than many others by his non-inclusion, especially as the incumbent Coleman Medallist, and it might be the catalyst for a good wake-up call. Here's hoping anyway.
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Foley was NEVER All Australian ...
Congratulations Trent Cotchin ...
very fortunate Brett Deledio ... i think it's reward for being statistically "good" for three years in a row!
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Love the calls for Maric. He wasn't good enough either. pee NicNat off and chuck Coxy in the ruck then put a proper forward in the pocket. Luke McGuane is one that immediately comes to mind for the forward pocket spot.
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YEAH! Exactly coach!
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Foley was NEVER All Australian ...
Congratulations Trent Cotchin ...
very fortunate Brett Deledio ... i think it's reward for being statistically "good" for three years in a row!
The AFL coaches voted lids top 10...
Looks at some names and I reckon lids unfortunate to not have at least two