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Football => Match reports and stats => Topic started by: mightytiges on April 20, 2005, 05:37:55 AM
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Get numbers behind the ball..Flood the defensive 50 with loose players (named 3 Brisbane players), thus opening your fwd line, get the ball in quick put the backline (Hudghton, Maguire, Voss, Schwarze, Baker) all under the pump.
St.Kilda - inefficient going fwd, midfielders do not kick many goals.
Read this a couple of weeks ago on Saintsational on how a Saint supporter reckons they were beaten by Brisbane. What do you think?
The Saints midfield in particular Ball, Dal Santo and Lenny Hayes are in awesome form and obviously skilled to boot and their forward line is potent especially when Riewoldt is there alongside Gehrig and Hamill. However I've always reckoned their defence is their weakness and IMO not that particularly skilled but has been protected in most games by their strong midfield winning so much of the footy.
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Get numbers behind the ball..Flood the defensive 50 with loose players (named 3 Brisbane players), thus opening your fwd line, get the ball in quick put the backline (Hudghton, Maguire, Voss, Schwarze, Baker) all under the pump.
St.Kilda - inefficient going fwd, midfielders do not kick many goals.
Read this a couple of weeks ago on Saintsational on how a Saint supporter reckons they were beaten by Brisbane. What do you think?
The Saints midfield in particular Ball, Dal Santo and Lenny Hayes are in awesome form and obviously skilled to boot and their forward line is potent especially when Riewoldt is there alongside Gehrig and Hamill. However I've always reckoned their defence is their weakness and IMO not that particularly skilled but has been protected in most games by their strong midfield winning so much of the footy.
Not taking anything away from our guys ovr the last three weeks, but I don't think Brisbane and the tigers can be compared.
Brisbanes numbers behind the ball were skilled premiership players (backline=Johnson, Micheal ect). The ball would then be delivered to their forward line by their midfield (read Voss, Power, Lappin, Aker et al.).
I will be over the moon if the tigers beat the Saints (and I do think we have a chance), but nevertheless I would be surprised. The way the tigers can beat the saints is by playing accountable footy, playing the corridor and following TW's plan, run boys run!
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How to beat them: with a stick, whilst they sleep :lol
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Get Aussie Jones away from play. Hamil must be blanketed, too often he fires against us. Have Gas run with him. I think we have to risk Hall on Gehrig at the start. Our midfield MUST keep pace with theirs.
Play our normal game and make sure we are with them at 1/4 time, then 1/2 time. Then 2nd 1/2 its a new ball game.
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Get Aussie Jones away from play. Hamil must be blanketed, too often he fires against us. Have Gas run with him. I think we have to risk Hall on Gehrig at the start. Our midfield MUST keep pace with theirs.
Play our normal game and make sure we are with them at 1/4 time, then 1/2 time. Then 2nd 1/2 its a new ball game.
think ur right
gas on hammil, hall on g train , we need to also blanket dal santo and ball
and btw fiora needs to be shut down too :-)
looking fwd seeing knobs crush them in the middle
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PREVIEW ROUND 5 - RICHMOND vs ST KILDA - Docklands (AWAY)
SUMMARY:
A threepeat of wins, the last a 48 point demoliltion of a totally inept Fremantle side, sees Richmond
travel across town to the Telstra Dome this Sunday for the match of the round clash against last season's preliminary finalists St Kilda. The Tigers have been steadily improving week by week albeit against lowly opposition with both young and old contributing to our wins. This week's game however will be a major challenge and step up in class for the Tiges and will provide a good guide to see not only where we are at in the early stages of the new Wallace era but also by how much we have genuienly improved. Richmond will most likely go into the match unchanged with Morrison, Meyer and Roach brought in to make up a squad of 25.
Our opponents St Kilda had a tardy start to the 2005 season before blowing away the then undefeated Demons in the second half of their clash last weekend. Ominously a number of the Saints "big guns" in particular Gehrig rediscovered their form of last year. They are strengthened this week by the return of Robert Harvey and Koschitzke. Former Magpie Mark McGough has also been added to their sqaud.
PAST ENCOUNTERS:
Overall: 102-59-2
In the 00's: 4-4
At Docklands: 3-4
Last Time:
Round 16, 17.07.04. "Home" at Docklands.
Richmond 4.1 4.3 5.5 9.7-61
St Kilda 5.3 10.5 15.8 16.9-105
Multiple Goalkickers: Richmond - Richardson 6; St Kilda - Riewoldt 5, Milne 4, Guerra 4, Hamill 2.
Attendance: 34,631
KEY STATS AND MATCH-UPS:
DEFENCE: A stronger and more disciplined defensive performance not only in our backline itself but across all lines has moved Richmond statistically from being the worst defence in the AFL to one on par with their opponent this week in terms of points conceded (average 96 per match). The task this week is to contain a Saints forward line missing star Nick Riewoldt yet still containing the likes of Gehrig, Hamill and the nippy Milne. All three were far too good for the Melbourne defence last week. The returning Koschitzke will rotate between the ruck and forward line. IMO Gas will start on Gehrig and wither Bowden or Hall on Hamill (we typically use to play ex-Tiger Zantuck on Hamill) with the other on Koschitzke. The main advantage Gehrig and Hamill have is their physical strength and being able to out-muscle opposition backmen in 1-on-1 contests. On paper we don't really have a defender capable of matching them in this department. Our backmen rely more on outjudging the flight of the ball. Thus to contain their key forwards our efforts in the midfield from the past few weeks of restricting quick direct supply and dropping back a loose man or two to block the space in front of forward need to be repeated.
At ground level Milne and Guerra (if he plays) pose the greatest threat based on past meetings between us and the Saints. The way to take Milne out of the game is to force him wide so he is jammed in against the boundary line. It is when he is allowed space "front and square" that he becomes dangerous with his quick snaps on goal. Presumably Chris Newman who has been in great form so far this year would get first crack at Milne. Newman will be able to run off Milne to make him accountable provided we don't gift possession back to St Kilda in the form of dumb turnovers. That leaves Kellaway, Graham and Tivendale off a half-back to take a Fiora or even Voss who snagged 4 goals last week surprising playing in the Saints' forward line.
MIDFIELD: Sunday's clash will be a contest between two midfields who can attribute their recent respective wins to getting their hands on the footy and clearing it effectively from stoppages. This has allowed both team's forward lines to remain for the most part uncongested. As we saw last week Richo and Gehrig each kicked 6 goals. The Saints are number one in the AFL at winning the footy both in loose and pack situations. The main contributors to their success in this area have been young stars Luke Ball and Nick Dal Santo along with their former 2004 captain Lenny Hayes. To date all three have won plenty of the footy and have been the main drivers in terms of clearances from stoppages and delivering the football accurately inside the St Kilda forward 50. Not far behind are veterans Harvey and Andrew Thomson while the younger Clarke brother Raphael has also made an impact this year. His size makes him more versatile than Xavier.
In our recent wins viewing from the other side of the fence, it appears we've done our homework well on identifying the three (3) major hard ball winners from the opposition and consequently have been able to nullify two of them while the third has little real influence of the game. In round 3, the three were West, Cooney and Hahn while last week for Freo they were Haselby, Josh Carr and Bell. Obviously this weekend Cogs, Tuck, Brown, Hyde and co need to target and attempt to match it with the above mentioned trio fo Ball, Dal Santo and Hayes with possibly Cambo "running" with Harvey when he plays in the middle. Conversely the Saints will themselves use little thugs Baker and Guerra as taggers most likely on Hyde and Browny. One deficiency the Saints have in their midfield brigade is their inability in the main to contribute to goalscoring despite getting their hands on the pill often. The only Saint to buck the trend is ex-Tiger Aaron Fiora hence the over the top jubilation from Saint supporters towards him in his short time at St Kilda. We ourselves haven't as yet reached the goalscoring power from our midfield IMO we need to aspire to. However Browny, Krakouer, Tuck and Cogs have contributed sufficiently to the scoreboard.
The one area we need to exploit to have a chance to pull off a upset is in the ruck. With full-time ruckmen in Knobel, Staff and Simmonds we have the potential to stretch most teams in ruck duels. They will contest against Cain Ackland who had the best game of his career last week and Koschitzke. Both have been underwhelming in their AFL stints so far and have been played typically as fill-ins for the ruck. Blake if he makes the 22 may also fill in for the Saints.
FORWARDS: While highly rating both St Kilda's forward line and midfield, their defence is IMHO still a significant weakness for them especially so at the moment with Penny out injured. Defenders like Hudghton, Schwarze and Maguire along with defensive taggers such as Baker have disposal that is no better than many of the our own senior backmen that we are critical off. Their skillful midfield through winning the footy more often than not covers for any skill deficiencies down back becoming an issue along with the springboard attacks from Aussie Jones who we can't allow to get cheap loose footy. We have the forward structure to cause them problems on Sunday as they will struggle to find someone capable 1-on-1 to match Richo for height, strength and running power nor cover all of Simmonds (or Staff), Browny, etc. However if we get smashed in the midfield and can't get our hands on the footy and get it inside 50 quickly as we have recently against them in past meetings then that advantage will be non-existent. I would expect Hudghton to play on Richo, Maguire on Simmonds and it looks like Browny will have to put up with the dirty Baker. Pettifer possibly given the job of battling with Aussie Jones.
Overall: The step up in class makes this a huge challenge for the Tiges especially after our first round disaster against another preliminary finalist in Geelong. As TS said on the forum this match will be a test on how we perform under the pressure of a big game against a high quality opponent in front of a big crowd. Last time just as we have as a Club for the past decade we failed dismally in this atmosphere. Hopefully the boys this time haved learned from round 1 and will be competitive for the majority of the game, make the most of their chances and keep fighting on. The winner like most games of footy will be determined by who ends up controlling the midfield and central corridor.
THIS WEEK'S TEAMS:
RICHMOND
B: Jackson, Gaspar, Chaffey
HB: Kellaway, Bowden, Newman
C: Tivendale, Coughlan, Hyde
HF: Brown, Simmonds, Krakouer
F: Deledio, Richardson, Stafford
R: Knobel, Tuck, Campbell
Int (from): Graham, Pettifer, Hall, Raines, Morrison, Meyer, Roach
IN: Morrison, Meyer, Roach
ST KILDA
B: Baker, Maguire, Voss
HB: Schwarze, Hudghton, Jones
C: Peckett, Hayes, Harvey
HF: Fiora, Koschitzke, Dal Santo
F: Milne, Gehrig, Hamill
R: Ackland, X.Clarke, Ball
Int (from): Goddard, Thompson, R.Clarke, McGough, Guerra, Blake, Fisher
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I honestly can nnot see Morrison playing, too many talls.
Its most likely unchanged lineup. Raines will need way more time to settle in the one's, hope they dont drop him for Meyer at this stage. He needs more confidence and experience in the ones. I noticed some of his kicking against Freo was not to our advantage but high to one-on-one sutuations which should only be the case if yr kicking to Richo or Staffs against a smaller defender.
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Great effort Mighty. You should write for the papers.
I've underestimated the tiges for the past 3 weeks and hopefully I'm underestimating them again. I don't think we can pull this one off, but stranger things have happened. If we can shut 2 out of Ball DalSanto and Hayes then we have a chance. And in Cogs and Tuck, I think we might be able to do so. These 2 are very strong in the clinches and can constantly win the hard ball and create. If we can limit their supply, Newman and Bowden should be able to shut down Milne and Hammil respectively while creating drive out of defence.
Go tiges !!
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I want to beleive and I want to hope.....but sadly I dont think we have the capabilities to knock these dogs off yet.
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If they dont jump us and we are with them until 1/2 time, look out saints!
In the past I have questioned our ability to play with Saints as they have spanked us especially at Telstra Dome. They are hitting form, but then so are we. That win over Freo has given us a lot of confidence and Terry Wallace at the helm with Kingy and Royal as sidekicks, well I am certain the positive vibe/energy at the club is as high as its ever been.
If they believe they can, then they can.
This game will tell us where we are at.
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Great effort Mighty. You should write for the papers.
I thought it was taken out of some paper.
If that was yr article Mighty, it was a great read.
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I thought it was taken out of some paper.
If that was yr article Mighty, it was a great read.
:thumbsup :thumbsup
I'd like to take some credit myself :rollin
but it's all MT's work Tiv :thumbsup :cheers
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I wonder which one of our players the Saints will target??
They usually try and rough someone up
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If we can shut 2 out of Ball DalSanto and Hayes then we have a chance. And in Cogs and Tuck, I think we might be able to do so. These 2 are very strong in the clinches and can constantly win the hard ball and create. If we can limit their supply, Newman and Bowden should be able to shut down Milne and Hammil respectively while creating drive out of defence.
That's the plan Harry :thumbsup. This game is like a jigsaw puzzle from the Tiges perspective. Get the first piece in place (shut down 2 of Ball, Dal Santo and Hayes) and the rest of the pieces will fall into place for us nicely IMO; don't and we're stuffed from the start. I'm expecting a reality check this week but in saying that there's a genuine chance there to cause a major boilover.
If they dont jump us and we are with them until 1/2 time, look out saints!
In the past I have questioned our ability to play with Saints as they have spanked us especially at Telstra Dome.
Agree Tiv. Our second halves have been strong and we've run out games well (nice to finally have a fit side on the park unlike last year).
The "perfect" indoor conditions at the Dome really suit their style of play. At the 'G they're not so fearsome. The Saints have pumped us the past 3 times by being too quick in the midfield for us and thrashing us clearing from stoppages. We've turned that around this year granted against weaker sides than St Kilda. I'm looking forward to see how we go.
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I wonder which one of our players the Saints will target??
They usually try and rough someone up
They use Baker and Guerra to do the dirty stuff. We saw that when Baker thumped Johnson >:(. I hope our big boys stand up for our younger blokoes and put these little twirps back in their place if they start trying any rough stuff :thumbsup. IMO Hyde and Browny will be their main targets.
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If we can shut 2 out of Ball DalSanto and Hayes then we have a chance. And in Cogs and Tuck, I think we might be able to do so. These 2 are very strong in the clinches and can constantly win the hard ball and create. If we can limit their supply, Newman and Bowden should be able to shut down Milne and Hammil respectively while creating drive out of defence.
That's the plan Harry :thumbsup. This game is like a jigsaw puzzle from the Tiges perspective. Get the first piece in place (shut down 2 of Ball, Dal Santo and Hayes) and the rest of the pieces will fall into place for us nicely IMO; don't and we're stuffed from the start. I'm expecting a reality check this week but in saying that there's a genuine chance there to cause a major boilover.
If they dont jump us and we are with them until 1/2 time, look out saints!
In the past I have questioned our ability to play with Saints as they have spanked us especially at Telstra Dome.
Agree Tiv. Our second halves have been strong and we've run out games well (nice to finally have a fit side on the park unlike last year).
The "perfect" indoor conditions at the Dome really suit their style of play. At the 'G they're not so fearsome. The Saints have pumped us the past 3 times by being too quick in the midfield for us and thrashing us clearing from stoppages. We've turned that around this year granted against weaker sides than St Kilda. I'm looking forward to see how we go.
I too am a liitle worried about how we will go.
But I've tipped the boys to win.................... Because I'm coming down from Brisvegas to see the game!@!! ;D
Go tiges
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Yep, they will be definatly targeting Brown. I believe to win this game we are going to need more options in our forward line firing, Simmonds, Pettifer, Krakour, Stafford and some midfielders are going to have to kick goals, hopefully one of them will get a bag. We can't go back to being too one dimensional with Richardson which I feel with what happened last week against Freo we could fall back to relying on him too much, we have to in this game start to show some real versatility in this area.
Two key players that we have to dominate on the ground is Luke Ball and Austin Jones, Statistically speaking these two players perform very well aginst us and really hurt us with their posessions. Guerra is another one that needs to be watched and or laid out if possible, he is a hitman or sniper, he's the Saints Byron Pickett, Guerra's role is to hurt someone ( a la Bruce ) and to basically throw his weight around as much as possible.
The Saints are a little concerned about us, although they showed some good form last week against the Demons in the last quarter their overall form for the year has been a little patchy and has not been proved to be consistent as yet, this game will be just as revealing to the Saints as it is to us. The fact that Robert Harvey would stand on his kitchen table in order to jump from it to sever the remaining tendon in his foot so he could play in the game suggests that the Saints were desperate enough to get Harvey into the game this week and arent confident enough in themselves about the way they are travelling at the moment, there's no doubt the Saints have some doubts about their current form.
The article earlier in the week by Wallace suggesting a shootout is a clear message to Thomas that the defensive tagging style of play is not how we are intending to play the game. ( the article could be a ruse as well) This article throws the challenge to Thomas to do the same thing regarding the Saints style of play. Maybe it's a suggestion by Wallace that "we'll leave your runners alone and now have you got the guts to leave ours alone and may the best team win" we'll see.
If the Saints show the same form as against Melbourne I think were in deep trouble ( 6 to 10 Goal loss) and I don't think we can win this game without shutting down Ball and Jones.
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Nothing to lose: Wallace
6:00:19 PM Fri 22 April, 2005
Jen Witham
Sportal for afl.com.au
Richmond coach Terry Wallace believes his team has nothing to lose going into its round five clash with St Kilda.
The Tigers meet the Saints at Telstra Dome - the ground that has became a haven for St Kilda victories - with Melbourne the most recent victims.
"They're tough to play at the Dome at any stage, they're a fantastic side, I think they've won something like 21 out of their last 22 games on that particular ground, so it's going to be a difficult day, but it's a real challenge for our guys," Wallace said on Friday.
"We're probably in a position where we have got nothing to lose, and no one really believes that we're capable of being able to knock them off,"
"But we're in good form, we've got some confidence going into the game."
With the Saints flying after knocking off the previously-undefeated Demons in round four, Wallace said that the pressure for his team to perform was no higher than that of St Kilda.
If anything, in his opinion, the pressure on the Tigers is less than that on the Saints, with St Kilda the clear favourite to claim the four points.
"I don't think there is very much pressure on us at all where we've come from, losing our last 14 games in a row last year," he said.
"I pick up the paper and every person has picked St Kilda to win."
"Quite a few of them have picked them as the key win of the round, so I would think that everything is fair and square on St Kilda being absolute hot favourites for the game."
Far from viewing the underdog tag pessimistically, Wallace says the club will use this match to measure where it stands in comparison to one of the serious flag contenders for 2005.
"We can go in and find out exactly where we stand without any pressure, from that aspect, but in saying that, every time you go to the footy you want to win," he said.
"Our expectation is that we want to be competitive every time we go out there, and that's playing against the quality sides in the competition as well as those that are down a few rungs."
"There's no doubt that St Kilda is a quality side, they showed that last week against Melbourne and they’re back into their very best form."
"So we'll just see where it takes us."
Wallace did admit he was bewildered by the AFL's decision to close the Telstra Dome roof during Sunday's twilight match.
"I would rather it closed all the time, so I'm quite comfortable with the view this week," he said.
"I'm confused, I never know, I'm just waiting on a call from the AFL every time about why and where and how.
"This time it's 26 degrees, you're not coming in and out of sun and this time it's closed. Last time we played there it was 26 degrees and we were coming in and out of sun and it was open.
"I don't understand."
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=198111
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The article earlier in the week by Wallace suggesting a shootout is a clear message to Thomas that the defensive tagging style of play is not how we are intending to play the game. ( the article could be a ruse as well) This article throws the challenge to Thomas to do the same thing regarding the Saints style of play. Maybe it's a suggestion by Wallace that "we'll leave your runners alone and now have you got the guts to leave ours alone and may the best team win" we'll see.
Terry's pushed the underdog status again last night.
Nothing wrong with going head to head in the midfield without any defensive taggers provided we are accountable. I don't reckon we'd last too long against the Saints runners if each midfield took a wing and played 50m off their direct opponent. Our strength this year has been winning the contested footy around stoppages. Stick to that and then once clear run in supporting numbers on full out attack through the corridor and get the footy quickly to our forwards to give them space to lead into.
Agree RR we still need to consistently create other options up forward. So far only Richo and Browny have been consistent goalscorers. We've had mostly cameos from our other forwards. Stafford gave us another option in the second half last week with some nice marks inside 50.
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Noticed on Saintsational no mention of Hyde and Tuck as part of our midfield in one of their previews link (http://www.saintsational.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10191) ???. Hope the St Kilda coaching staff don't rate them either at their own peril. Both averaging 20+ possessions per game so far this year.
Like to know where this Tiger arrogance comes from ???. lol claiming that after saying they're going to win by 100 pts ::).
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The main difference between us this year and last year, is of course, change of coach. At least this year there is some sort of game plan and no Saints sympathies from TW. The fact that Riewoldt is out will be in our favour. And yet, I am still feeling uncertain as to how we will go. :-\