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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: dwaino on July 04, 2012, 08:32:46 PM
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For any science buffs out there. It was close last year, but not quite. CERN have been quiet, and I was skeptical this most recent time because I thought it would be the same as last year's observation. More and more is leaking now and looks like we're on the brink of the biggest scientific breakthrough of the last few decades
http://phys.org/news/2012-07-video-preludes-higgs-boson.html
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For any science buffs out there. It was close last year, but not quite. CERN have been quiet, and I was skeptical this most recent time because I thought it would be the same as last year's observation. More and more is leaking now and looks like we're on the brink of the biggest scientific breakthrough of the last few decades
http://phys.org/news/2012-07-video-preludes-higgs-boson.html
It is the Carbon Tax's fault.
:cheers
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For any science buffs out there. It was close last year, but not quite. CERN have been quiet, and I was skeptical this most recent time because I thought it would be the same as last year's observation. More and more is leaking now and looks like we're on the brink of the biggest scientific breakthrough of the last few decades
http://phys.org/news/2012-07-video-preludes-higgs-boson.html
It is the Carbon Tax's fault.
:cheers
:sleep
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For any science buffs out there. It was close last year, but not quite. CERN have been quiet, and I was skeptical this most recent time because I thought it would be the same as last year's observation. More and more is leaking now and looks like we're on the brink of the biggest scientific breakthrough of the last few decades
http://phys.org/news/2012-07-video-preludes-higgs-boson.html
It is the Carbon Tax's fault.
:cheers
Love your sense of humour. :thumbsup
No problems, thanks Coach
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The tachyon orders a beer. A tachyon walks into a bar.
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An oldie but a goodie dwaino lol.
For any science buffs out there. It was close last year, but not quite. CERN have been quiet, and I was skeptical this most recent time because I thought it would be the same as last year's observation. More and more is leaking now and looks like we're on the brink of the biggest scientific breakthrough of the last few decades
http://phys.org/news/2012-07-video-preludes-higgs-boson.html
Basically they've finally found it (mass 125.3 +/- 0.6 GeV from the slide in the talk IIRC) although technically they can't claim it as so just yet. So it's massive (excuse the pun) news in Physics circles. It completes the experimental observation of the Standard Model subatomic set of particles that was theorised almost 50 years ago. The Standard Model is basically a theory about the fundamental building blocks of the universe and how they all fit together. The experimental observation of the Higgs boson which generates mass was the final 'missing link'.
83 year old Peter Higgs should now get a Nobel Prize.
(http://www.bloomberg.com/image/if5I1HLrk0PA.jpg)
As an aside it also shows that in modern science, theory often leads experiment and in some cases by decades as we need to wait for technology to catch-up to fully confirm theoretical predictions. If we dismissed all theory based on an inability to completely experimentally prove every aspect of it, nothing would ever get done. In fact the overall acceptance of a theory often leads to further knowledge that leads to the ability to experimentally fully test the theory. Certain anti-science political neo-cons should remember that ::).
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So far using the Standard Model, the physics works. Once anything in the Standard Model makes the physics not work then we have to throw it out the window and start again. But that's what science is all about :cheers
You're right that it's only an observation so far and they're going to great lengths to clarify that. The media hype and chucking the term 'god particle' around is a little premature and sensational. For all we know, they may have only found another sub-atomic particle weighing in at 125.3 GeV. Will have to wait on results on things like if there is a charge, spin, etc
I'm pretty sure if it's confirmed, Michio Kaku will retire and just make a killing from writing books for the rest of his life :laugh: IMO, if and when it is indeed confirmed, it will be the greatest scientific discovery until somebody manages to manipulate space-time.
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IMO, if and when it is indeed confirmed, it will be the greatest scientific discovery until somebody manages to manipulate space-time.
Yoda can ;D
But seriously there's still plenty of things on the physics 'big things to do' list...
* Formulating Quantum Gravity ..... Einstein's theory of general relativity isn't a quantised gravitational theory (the other forces of nature have quantised theories). This is where advocates of string theory come in.
* Matter only makes up only 4% of the universe. So finding out what is dark matter (25%) and dark energy would be a huge discovery.
* A full mathematically solved description of what causes 'confinement' in the strong (atomic nucleus binding) force theory.
* The holy grail of a Grand Unified Theory .... one unified theory for the four forces of nature - gravity, electromagnetism, strong force and weak (nuclear decay) force.
* A quantum computer ....... a computer that works based on quantum physics principles. Existing computers work based on off/on logic; there's just two states (0 and 1) and data can only occupy one of these states at a time (a bit). Quantum computers would allow a superposition of all possible states (a qubit) which would expand computational power exponentially, allow for even smaller 'chips' and have applications such as a far more secure encryption of data as well as funky things like teleportation of data.
Come up with any of those and a Nobel Prize is awaiting for you ;D.
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That's why I suggested something small :P
To make the reply easier I'll point it all ;D
-String theory does my head in. This could almost go hand in hand with the Grand Unified Theory. As when the four fundamental forces switched themselves on momentarily after the singularity (albeit in an order), scale is subjective and physics would not have discriminated the laws of gravity once a certain size in space was reached and Newtonian physics took over the macro scale. I'm a believer in that once one is found, then the other will come shortly after. If not, simultaneously.
-I think we're as close to dark matter as we're going to get without physically holding it at the moment. Unlike most theories and hypothesis', it is currently more than just mathematically plausible. Via gravitational lensing and mapping visible matter of the visible universe which appears to follow 'webs.' Dark energy would be a massive find though and still rather elusive.
Somewhat related, came across this today: http://www.dmanlt.com/2699.html it kind puts a spanner in the idea of panspermia and that the idea that the early Solar System and especially Earth was far too volatile to support life forming compounds, but definitely ups the count of systems with planets with life friendly conditions ;D
http://www.space.com/16135-distant-galaxy.html I found this pretty cool last month too
One of my favorite images of simulating dark and visible matter. It's just mind blowing that the single points of light would be cluster upon cluster of galaxies.
(http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/wp-content/blogs.dir/311/files/2012/04/i-61831f70a2f6de489bb0de2c16d8025c-dark_matter_millenium_simulation.jpeg)
Just thought I'd chuck up the best example of lensing, for sake of the post
(http://wizlab.com/marine/abell.jpg)
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8159/7524624176_936b09ea1a.jpg)
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Keeping with the science theme, Curiosity has touched down on Mars :cheers
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Keeping with the science theme, Curiosity has touched down on Mars :cheers
:thumbsup
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I've altered the thread title in keeping the general science tone :thumbsup.
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:lol
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Big bang theory under threat from quantum graphity model
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/big-bang-theory-under-threat-from-quantum-graphity-breakthrough/story-fncvk70o-1226454428502
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Latest images of the Martian surface taken by Curiosity:
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/08/28/1226460/136770-mars-curiosity.jpg)
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/08/28/1226460/135205-mars-curiosity.jpg)
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/08/28/1226460/135694-mars-curiosity.jpg)
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Latest images of the Martian surface taken by Curiosity:
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/08/28/1226460/136770-mars-curiosity.jpg)
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/08/28/1226460/135205-mars-curiosity.jpg)
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/08/28/1226460/135694-mars-curiosity.jpg)
Why isn't the sky blue?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8)
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Why isn't the sky blue?
Not sure if srs O_o
But... it's because the atmosphere has a different composition and light is bent at different angles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8)
:lol could use a computer nerd at the moment. Can't find anything definitive on whether to use a fixed or offset voltage when overclocking a CPU. Load line calibration :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Has anyone recently calibrated a pressure transducer? I've tried a deadweight but it's particularly sensitive and not having much luck.
Note:- it's the Piezoresistive strain gauge type (mono crystalline of course!) I've toggled with the L4s on the bridge circuit but no luck :huh3
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Gee whiz http://electronicdesign.com/article/unassigned/calibration_of_piezoresistive_pressure_sensors_by_external_or_integrated_circuits :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Yeah I get all that but I think it's more of a nominal bridge resistance issue that's throwing things out...hmmmmmm I might have to take it to Marty's tomorrow
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I have never had this issue with the deadweight tester :huh Are you using all the right type of instruments?
When I do the test I follow this procedure......
First: You need the following recently calibrated instruments - deadweight tester, voltage source, and DMM. Remember that the accuracy of your calibration is only as good as the total uncertainty of this "system." (Note: Some deadweight testers can be calibrated for your local gravitational constant! There are also other types of pressure generating equipment available, but they all depend on a known-good gauge/transducer.)
Second: I use an 11 point test: 0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100% 80% 60% 40% 20% 0%. Slowly rotate the piston at each step so stiction doesn't affect your reading. Going up and down on the pressure will check for hysteresis, especially important with gauges.
Third: Keep good records and check on a regular basis.
Be very careful when comparing the accuracy of pressure transducers! There appears to be no standard convention so different manufacturers will state different numbers which are difficult to compare.
Let us know if you can't get a reading, I do have another way ;)
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All good - was the nominal bridge resistance issue after all :thumbsup
Cheers,
Dooks
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Latest images of the Martian surface taken by Curiosity:
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/08/28/1226460/136770-mars-curiosity.jpg)
That looks like the hill that Arnie fell down and cracked his helmet.
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I was looking for some info on that starfish with human teeth and found this that I know a few people would be keen on
NSFW
http://www.cracked.com/article/125_13-real-animals-lifted-directly-out-your-nightmares/
But being from cracked.com just be warned that some of the language may not be safe for work
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I was looking for some info on that starfish with human teeth and found this that I know a few people would be keen on
NSFW
http://www.cracked.com/article/125_13-real-animals-lifted-directly-out-your-nightmares/
But being from cracked.com just be warned that some of the language may not be safe for work
Interesting viewing, are they all supposedly real or are they taking the pee?
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They're all fair dinkim.
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They're all fair dinkim.
Awesome
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Are humans getting dumber? http://m.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1287365--are-humans-getting-dumber-one-u-s-biologist-thinks-we-ve-got-nothing-on-hunter-gatherers-of-old
I was just talking to the missus about this the other day. Many don't realise, but you would of had the same quality of life in ancient Egypt, even early Rome than we all do now. The Egyptians had antibiotics and other medicines to cure ailments from naturally occurring sources. Aristophanes even proved the world was round and almost pinpointed the circumference. We're cheating Darwinism with technology and it's the only reason we're still around.
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Are humans getting dumber? http://m.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1287365--are-humans-getting-dumber-one-u-s-biologist-thinks-we-ve-got-nothing-on-hunter-gatherers-of-old
I was just talking to the missus about this the other day. Many don't realise, but you would of had the same quality of life in ancient Egypt, even early Rome than we all do now. The Egyptians had antibiotics and other medicines to cure ailments from naturally occurring sources. Aristophanes even proved the world was round and almost pinpointed the circumference. We're cheating Darwinism with technology and it's the only reason we're still around.
Interesting timing of your comment, was watching this last night which explains why we are becoming dumber, in a humorous yet accurate way (both videos) ;D
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79b_1352919927
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Will check them out when I get home ;D
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Are humans getting dumber? http://m.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1287365--are-humans-getting-dumber-one-u-s-biologist-thinks-we-ve-got-nothing-on-hunter-gatherers-of-old
I was just talking to the missus about this the other day. Many don't realise, but you would of had the same quality of life in ancient Egypt, even early Rome than we all do now. The Egyptians had antibiotics and other medicines to cure ailments from naturally occurring sources. Aristophanes even proved the world was round and almost pinpointed the circumference. We're cheating Darwinism with technology and it's the only reason we're still around.
Interesting timing of your comment, was watching this last night which explains why we are becoming dumber, in a humorous yet accurate way (both videos) ;D
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79b_1352919927
so true, on so many levels.
If intelligent life ever picks up the signals we constantly send into outer space chances are they would want to eradicate us like vermin
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This is rad
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/recordbreaking-black-hole-found-20121129-2ail4.html
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Japanese Navy announces crashed UFO
http://inothernewz.com/japanese-navy-releases-first-photo-of-downed-ufo-off-the-coast-of-okinawa/
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Japanese Navy announces crashed UFO
http://inothernewz.com/japanese-navy-releases-first-photo-of-downed-ufo-off-the-coast-of-okinawa/
http://www.ghosttheory.com/2012/12/08/texas-ufo-crashes-near-okinawa
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On a related story re the Jacksonville TX google streetview car UFO image, its obviously a refracting of light by the dome of the camera. If you travel along the road a bit the image fades as the cloud cover thickens and thus reduces the suns strength and once the cloud completely covers the Sun, the image disappears all together. Took me 5 minutes to work this out yet the yanks ran a news story about it??? All I can say is, Slow news day.
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Here's some ripping trolling http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/brain-flapping/2012/dec/13/moon-landings-faked-science-confessions
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Some 15 year old brat discovers a way to detect a few different forms of cancer.
http://youtu.be/n9yuAhusVts
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Some 15 year old brat discovers a way to detect a few different forms of cancer.
http://youtu.be/n9yuAhusVts
Its amazing what you can do when you are not boxed in by paradigms or pharmaceutical research contracts.
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Some 15 year old brat discovers a way to detect a few different forms of cancer.
http://youtu.be/n9yuAhusVts
Its amazing what you can do when you are not boxed in by paradigms or pharmaceutical research contracts.
So true. He made a good point too about comparing the new age access of information to the Olympic record blitzes of the 70s. Mind you, the kid clearly has more than a couple brain cells to rub together in his noggin.
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Some 15 year old brat discovers a way to detect a few different forms of cancer.
http://youtu.be/n9yuAhusVts
Its amazing what you can do when you are not boxed in by paradigms or pharmaceutical research contracts.
Or if your job depends on on-going 'research'.
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The meteorite in Russia vision was impressive. Not great for the 1200 people it injured though. What surprised me was people filming it were so in awe they kept driving towards where it was coming in.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/russian-meteorite-explosion-injures-1200-20130216-2ejim.html
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The meteorite in Russia vision was impressive. Not great for the 1200 people it injured though. What surprised me was people filming it were so in awe they kept driving towards where it was coming in.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/russian-meteorite-explosion-injures-1200-20130216-2ejim.html
I was watching one video last night where a bloke was filming the trail in the sky then the shock wave hit. Pretty awesome stuff. The universe is brutal :thumbsup
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The meteorite in Russia vision was impressive. Not great for the 1200 people it injured though. What surprised me was people filming it were so in awe they kept driving towards where it was coming in.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/russian-meteorite-explosion-injures-1200-20130216-2ejim.html
I was watching one video last night where a bloke was filming the trail in the sky then the shock wave hit. Pretty awesome stuff. The universe is brutal :thumbsup
Yep most of the injuries were from flying shattered glass caused by the outgoing shock wave from the meteor explosion - a flash of light followed shortly after by a sonic boom (proof that light travels faster than sound).
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The meteorite in Russia vision was impressive. Not great for the 1200 people it injured though. What surprised me was people filming it were so in awe they kept driving towards where it was coming in.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/russian-meteorite-explosion-injures-1200-20130216-2ejim.html
I was watching one video last night where a bloke was filming the trail in the sky then the shock wave hit. Pretty awesome stuff. The universe is brutal :thumbsup
Online link dwaino?
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The meteorite in Russia vision was impressive. Not great for the 1200 people it injured though. What surprised me was people filming it were so in awe they kept driving towards where it was coming in.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/russian-meteorite-explosion-injures-1200-20130216-2ejim.html
I was watching one video last night where a bloke was filming the trail in the sky then the shock wave hit. Pretty awesome stuff. The universe is brutal :thumbsup
Online link dwaino?
http://youtu.be/b7mLUIDGqmw :thumbsup You only need to watch the start
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(http://victorygirlsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Vladimir-Putin.jpg)
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NASA, and plenty of private individuals, want to put mankind on Mars. Now a team at the University of Washington, funded by the space agency, is about to start building a fusion engine that could get humans there in just 30 days and make other forms of space travel obsolete.
The Fusion Drive Rocket system doesn't require conventional fuel. It uses magnetism to compress metal bands around a deuterium-tritium fuel pellet, with the resultant fusion ejecting the pellet and propelling the craft forward.
The system's comparatively low electricity requirements mean it could be run on solar power alone.
A pellet the size of a grain of sand would provide the same amount of thrust as a whole gallon of normal rocket fuel.
The fusion engine's unprecedented speed is really all that matters though. NASA's Curiosity rover took eight months to reach Mars using traditional engines. The fusion system could shorten that trip to just 30 days.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/sci-tech/scientists-developing-fusion-engine-which-could-make-space-travel-super-fast/story-fn5iztw3-1226618113290
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/10/nasa_fusion_engine_fast_mars_trip/
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NASA, and plenty of private individuals, want to put mankind on Mars. Now a team at the University of Washington, funded by the space agency, is about to start building a fusion engine that could get humans there in just 30 days and make other forms of space travel obsolete.
The Fusion Drive Rocket system doesn't require conventional fuel. It uses magnetism to compress metal bands around a deuterium-tritium fuel pellet, with the resultant fusion ejecting the pellet and propelling the craft forward.
The system's comparatively low electricity requirements mean it could be run on solar power alone.
A pellet the size of a grain of sand would provide the same amount of thrust as a whole gallon of normal rocket fuel.
The fusion engine's unprecedented speed is really all that matters though. NASA's Curiosity rover took eight months to reach Mars using traditional engines. The fusion system could shorten that trip to just 30 days.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/sci-tech/scientists-developing-fusion-engine-which-could-make-space-travel-super-fast/story-fn5iztw3-1226618113290
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/10/nasa_fusion_engine_fast_mars_trip/
erm...
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Some pommy scientists reckon they've found proof of extraterrestrial life.
http://mobile.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/british-scientists-claim-to-have-found-proof-of-alien-life/story-fn5fsgyc-1226723186041
I hope they didn't come by boat.
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Awesome!! an update on the Science thread! :clapping I love this science thread! :thumbsup
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Four eyes :clapping
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For the first time, the US government is estimating how many people die from drug-resistant bacteria each year - more than 23,000, or about as many as those killed annually by flu.
US warns of the growing threat of germs that are hard to treat because they've become resistant to drugs.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/09/17/drug-resistant-bacteria-were-facing-catastrophe
(http://i.imgur.com/DrXpLu5.gif)
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Stephen Hawking: 'There are no black holes'
Hawking does away with the notion of an event horizon, the invisible boundary thought to shroud every black hole, beyond which nothing, not even light, can escape.
In its stead, Hawking’s radical proposal is a much more benign “apparent horizon”, which only temporarily holds matter and energy prisoner before eventually releasing them, albeit in a more garbled form.
http://www.nature.com/news/stephen-hawking-there-are-no-black-holes-1.14583
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I can't remember if it was his Into the Universe series or a Through the Wormhole, but they spent an episode on this where he thought the information was stored but completely scrambled.
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I can't remember if it was his Into the Universe series or a Through the Wormhole, but they spent an episode on this where he thought the information was stored but completely scrambled.
One thing I'm still getting my head around on this is does this apparent horizon act effectively like an event horizon for massive black holes. The equivalence principle should mean (quantum) systems approach 'classical' physics in the large-scale many-body limit. Even with Hawking radiation, a black hole with mass equal to our Sun or greater barely radiates (so it effectively behaves as 'black').
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Honestly I struggle to grasp it myself. I was always understanding that the event horizon was simply the point of no return when entering a black hole. As a term I don't really see how Hawking's new theory does away with that at all. Something with so much mass is going to have just that effect. Going by just that article I think I'm with Polchinski on this one. With no disrespect to Hawking, it wasn't that long ago really that he was absolutely steadfast that black holes did not radiate or lose info at all.
IMO I don't think that article is very well written. The title is misleading as are the headings. He's not doing away with black holes or the event horizon as we know it completely, and it almost suggests (as I interpret it anyway) that black holes chomp up matter then spew out Hawking Radiation and shed mass and energy, but this obviously cannot be the case. I was glad that when I read through the comments I wasn't the only one who thought so and that I wasn't just a total numpty (which is probably true though :lol I'm an 'armchair physicist' that watches nothing but science docos and reads both non-fiction physics and hard sci-fi ;D)
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Honestly I struggle to grasp it myself. I was always understanding that the event horizon was simply the point of no return when entering a black hole. As a term I don't really see how Hawking's new theory does away with that at all. Something with so much mass is going to have just that effect. Going by just that article I think I'm with Polchinski on this one. With no disrespect to Hawking, it wasn't that long ago really that he was absolutely steadfast that black holes did not radiate or lose info at all.
IMO I don't think that article is very well written. The title is misleading as are the headings. He's not doing away with black holes or the event horizon as we know it completely, and it almost suggests (as I interpret it anyway) that black holes chomp up matter then spew out Hawking Radiation and shed mass and energy, but this obviously cannot be the case. I was glad that when I read through the comments I wasn't the only one who thought so and that I wasn't just a total numpty (which is probably true though :lol I'm an 'armchair physicist' that watches nothing but science docos and reads both non-fiction physics and hard sci-fi ;D)
Yep you're right about the title being misleading (at least to a lay-person). An object being 'black' or not has a specific meaning in physics.
This is from Hawking's actual arXiv (archive) paper which this article is based on:
By CPT [invariance], the time reverse will be the CP conjugate. This shows that, in this situation, the evaporation of a black hole is the time reverse of its formation (modulo CP), though the conventional descriptions are very di fferent. Thus if one assume quantum gravity is CPT invariant, one rules out remnants, event horizons, and firewalls.
The absence of event horizons mean that there are no black holes - in the sense of regimes from which light can't escape to in finity. There are however apparent horizons which persist for a period of time. This suggests that black holes should be rede fined as metastable bound states of the gravitational fi eld.
The no hair theorems imply that in a gravitational collapse the space outside the event horizon will approach the metric of a Kerr solution. However inside the event horizon, the metric and matter fi elds will be classically chaotic. It is the approximation of this chaotic metric by a smooth Kerr metric that is responsible for the information loss in gravitational collapse. The chaotic collapsed object will radiate deterministically but chaotically. It will be like weather forecasting on Earth. That is unitary, but chaotic, so there is eff ective information loss. One can't predict the weather more than a few days in advance
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.5761v1.pdf
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I think they need to start renaming this stuff because all they seem to be arguing now over is what actually makes up a black hole, or start calling his new 'black hole' (or lack there of) something else until there is something more substantial to go on. To argue that one doesn't exist just means they need to give another name to something so dense that it distorts space time and doesn't reflect light/allow light to escape. In my mind I just picture black holes as something like a magnetar on steroids. Must be a slow news day in the physics world.
I have so much respect for Hawking. Sagan has long been my idol, then Hawking just behind and closely followed by Michio Kaku (yessss pop science :clapping), but it just seems like lately Hawking has been coming out with everything and anything to cause a bang in his twilight years.
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Hawking overcomplicates far fetched theories at times
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I love astronomy, but I find black holes a bit boring. Give me a fully blown nebula any day. I can stare at them for hours in amazement. Black Holes are just the "Emo's" of the astronomy world.
In saying that, If I see the local real estate selling a house with "Absolute Black Hole Frontage" I might take a bit more of an interest in them. ;D
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In saying that, If I see the local real estate selling a house with "Absolute Black Hole Frontage" I might take a bit more of an interest in them. ;D
Only if it has a secure network... firewall :lol
How about that nebula made of alcohol? ; D
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In saying that, If I see the local real estate selling a house with "Absolute Black Hole Frontage" I might take a bit more of an interest in them. ;D
Only if it has a secure network... firewall :lol
How about that nebula made of alcohol? ; D
:lol Imagine trying to get direct line of sight for a WiFi connection. ;D
A nebula made of alcohol. :lol You could literally drink and drive without the need for a traveler. Mind you I think the RBT's would be spread pretty thin across 500 light years of space. ;D
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Yeessss this is the kind of stuff I like. Water on/in Ceres :clapping
http://m.phys.org/news/2014-01-telescope-spies-plumes-dwarf-planet.html
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI
For anyone keen and with 2 and a half hours up their sleeve this the debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham the other day. Leading up to it I and most other atheists were skeptical of it as Bill Nye is not a biologist and is not used to debating. On top of that the idea to give creationism a legitimate stage to debate is ridiculous and lends it credibility. Debating anyone with faith is also ridiculous as they're incapable of reason.
At first I thought it was going to be evolution and/or 'big bang' vs intelligent design and creationism (young earth). Instead it was Nye challenging whether Ham's theory held up to scrutiny. To my surprise Nye destroyed Ham. Nye consistently referred to facts and sources, while Ham trotted the expected circular logic crap. One of his common retorts were "you were not there so how can you know?" I was glad Nye didn't get sucked in as he could have just as easily said the same thing in reply.
When I was younger we had Optus Vision when it first came out I remember always watching Bill Nye the Science Guy on the Disney Channel. Haven't seen much of him since but glad to see he is still doing the rounds.
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Never trust a man with a beard and no mustache. Lincoln set a solid benchmark for beard and no mustache men but it has been a slippery slope ever since.
Way to go Bill! :thumbsup :thumbsup
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:lol :thumbsup
Must be looney month. Missed who it was, dr carl something, since I'm listening to radio at work but matt and joe :chuck on triple M were just interviewing (more like taking the pee) some creationist trying to say dinosaurs were less than 6,000 years old. I must have missed the Sumerian and neolithic European depictions of them :lol also reckons soft tissue has been discovered. Not bad when we can't even find that from a corpse even 50 years old. Unless you count Ötzi but ignore carbon dating and science :shh
Claimed that creationist institutes have many scientists with doctorates. Stupid argument. If a flat earther also acknowledges oxygen is essential for human life then does that then validate his theories? :stupid
I blame the burning of the Library of Alexandria. Had that not happened I don't think mankind would have had to suffer the stain of the abrahamic religions.
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI
For anyone keen and with 2 and a half hours up their sleeve this the debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham the other day. Leading up to it I and most other atheists were skeptical of it as Bill Nye is not a biologist and is not used to debating. On top of that the idea to give creationism a legitimate stage to debate is ridiculous and lends it credibility. Debating anyone with faith is also ridiculous as they're incapable of reason.
At first I thought it was going to be evolution and/or 'big bang' vs intelligent design and creationism (young earth). Instead it was Nye challenging whether Ham's theory held up to scrutiny. To my surprise Nye destroyed Ham. Nye consistently referred to facts and sources, while Ham trotted the expected circular logic crap. One of his common retorts were "you were not there so how can you know?" I was glad Nye didn't get sucked in as he could have just as easily said the same thing in reply.
When I was younger we had Optus Vision when it first came out I remember always watching Bill Nye the Science Guy on the Disney Channel. Haven't seen much of him since but glad to see he is still doing the rounds.
That was an interesting debate.
Ham is actually a smart bloke, but he bases everything he believes on something that cant be proved - that is an assumption. The most frustrating type of person to deal with.
I actually disagree with your comment about not getting sucked in about the "you were not there" lines, because the foundation of everything for Ham, is a book, and no one has any idea of who wrote the book and its legitimacy, and to base your whole fundamental beliefs on that is problematic. Ham was not there, so how can he be so sure that the bible is actually the word of god?
Ham often bought up assumption as an argument against scientific beliefs of the world, but his assumption is that the bible is actually the word of god, and therefore an accurate historical record. I would have liked to have that been posed to him, because most of his arguments are contradictory when you take this into account.
If you look through all the old cultures of the world, gods were used to explain the, to them, unexplainable. The Greeks and Romans, for instance had gods to explain what thunder was, what the sun was, etc. The real answer was beyond the comprehension of these people, so the simple, and comforting explanation was, a god.
In the question segment, Nye was asked a number of questions for which he, or science in general, does not have an answer. He happily said as much, and embraced the unknown .
Ham on the other hand, simply reverted back to god, and the bible, which was most probably written by an ignorant, by todays standard, people, to explain the unexplainable, as his explanation. Its simple, easy, and comforting.
This to me is the greatest difference, and why people like Ham are so dangerous, because they would rather simply say because god created it that way, rather that search for the difficult truth.
Nye's constant mentioning of using what you believe to be able to predict things is also a very important point, and one that Ham was never really ably to counter, not that he really tried.
Besides If God was so smart, and created everything, why did he not know that hares, which he created, do not chew cud?
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Re: Ham not there and the Bible is what I said :P I meant I was glad that Nye just didn't reply with that for the good of the debate. I meant what you said.
The problem with the bible, especially the new testament is that it was only started to be written hundreds of years after the events, and then had the books, especially the gospels, decided upon at the council of nicea much later. Hardly the word of god when it was decided on by man. Not to mention the translations from latin and greek. Then King James bastardised it more again.
This isn't a debate about the legitamcy of the bible though. What you said about the Romans and such is spot on. Long ago it was science. Ancient man used gods or similiar to try and explain what they didn't know. In ancient Egypt science and religion went hand in hand. When Erestophanes determinded the Earth was round, the circumference etc he wasn't persecuted and there was no science vs religion debate. Unlike many creationists in ancient times science wasn't seen as an institution to undermine their faith (and it still isn't) but rather a process for learning and discovery. Creationism is a hypothesis that is no longer required. Like George Smith said in Atheism: The case against god, the world of god gets much smaller with every new discovery.
The problem with creationists who argue this topic is that they first need to argue the nature of god. Ham didn't do this. Is it an omnipotent god who can create a square circle? If Ham knows can he show us? If not it's not omnipotent, if he doesn't know then the entire argument is over.
I strongly agree with your third last paragraph. It's why religion should be kept out of schools. Children should be taught rational and critical thinking and have the choice to decide for themselves later on.
On this subject I try to refrain from directing at the Christian god in particular, but on your last paragraph: all those people who died in let's say 9/11 (purely an example, nothing implied). Why did their god not intervene? a) not a loving or compassionate god after all , b) was not able (thus not omnipotent), c) does not exist.
And that's about all I can run off from the tiny screen of my phone lol.
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yeah tiny screens on smart phones suck.
along with Justin Bieber, pretty much disproves intelligent design.
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After the debate 22 creationists asked atheists 22 questions. The questions were rather daft and not worth noting, but here is a pretty funny translation to some of the questions ;D
http://imgur.com/gallery/PbBTk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmdCAT7Rc8
dont bother watching after the 1 minute mark
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:lol
Love that show.
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i just remembered too, that Nye made a mistake with his calculations about how many animals were on the ark.
noah only took one par of each unclean animal, of the others, and the birds he took 7 pairs.
Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth
which of course greatly inflates the number of animals he took on board
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Luckily though he made the doors on the ark small so the dinosaurs couldn't get in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTvsqo from 7:10 until about 8:30 (also probably NSFW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WPvSo8AYdM from 3:20. Again, what happens when a drunk Aussie atheist does stand up :lol great DVD this one. still NSFW
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:lol
he gets stuck into religion quite a bit.
South park often get stuck in too, but this way of looking at evolution cracks me up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRBHxJBUv_A
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:lol haven't watched that show in years. No one is safe on there.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmdCAT7Rc8
dont bother watching after the 1 minute mark
:lol But Jeannie was real!! ;D
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Luckily though he made the doors on the ark small so the dinosaurs couldn't get in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTvsqo from 7:10 until about 8:30 (also probably NSFW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WPvSo8AYdM from 3:20. Again, what happens when a drunk Aussie atheist does stand up :lol great DVD this one. still NSFW
I can't believe I've never heard of this guy! That was hilarious, particularly the first one! :rollin
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Luckily though he made the doors on the ark small so the dinosaurs couldn't get in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTvsqo from 7:10 until about 8:30 (also probably NSFW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WPvSo8AYdM from 3:20. Again, what happens when a drunk Aussie atheist does stand up :lol great DVD this one. still NSFW
I can't believe I've never heard of this guy! That was hilarious, particularly the first one! :rollin
He moved over seas years ago for his career so he never had a chance to get big in Australia. One of the funniest though. From Melbourne too :cheers
Nothing to do with the topic, but here is one of my favourite jokes from that Alcoholocaust DVD (the second one) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7-gIA9ftSk ;D
You might be keen on Doug Stanhope too if you haven't already http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDWOP_McMHA similiar style just a yankee version.
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Pope Francis has a master's degree in Chemistry
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Flat Earthers agree that oxygen is essential to human life.
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Source
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http://news.psu.edu/story/303296/2014/02/10/research/nanomotors-are-controlled-first-time-inside-living-cells
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Laser fusion experiment extracts net energy from fuel.
Milestone is passed on the long road to fusion energy.
Philip Ball
Nature
12 February 2014
Using the world's most powerful assembly of lasers, a team of researchers say they have, for the first time, extracted more energy from controlled nuclear fusion than was absorbed by the fuel to trigger it — crossing an important symbolic threshold on the long path toward exploiting this virtually boundless source of energy.
http://www.nature.com/news/laser-fusion-experiment-extracts-net-energy-from-fuel-1.14710
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Something from nothing :shh
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They got more energy out of the fuel than they put into the fuel, but only 1% of the energy they put in got to the fuel in the first place.
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Something from nothing :shh
The mass of helium nuclei is less than the sum of its components (2 protons + 2 neutrons) with the difference being the nuclear binding energy (the energy required to split the nucleus into its components). So if you can reverse the process and combine those components into a helium nucleus then there will be a release of energy. With the Sun, the gravitational effect of its huge mass, creates high enough temperatures and pressure in its core to push the components close enough together that the strong attractive short-range nuclear force overcomes the electric force that wants to pull the components apart. This ability to 'squeeze' the components together means the process isn't "something from nothing".
In a Lab, you obviously don't have anywhere the mass equivalent of the Sun to rely on gravitational effects. You need to use other means to push the components together (ie. either strong magnets or lasers). What these latest experiments were able to do, is yield more energy from the fusion process than what they used to push the components (the heavier hydrogen isotopes deuterium and tritium are used as the "fussion fuel") together. The major issue still yet to be solved is that, unlike the Sun which confines and maintains the fusion process within its core due to gravity from its large mass, you can't confine and maintain the fusion process within the magnets/lasers in the Lab for any usefully significant period. It leaks out and the confinement of the fusion process only lasts a fraction of a second.
In two experiments described by the researchers that took place in September and November of last year, more energy came out of the fusion fuel than was deposited into it, but it was still less than the total amount deposited into the target.
The deuterium-tritium implosions were more stable than previously achieved. The researchers did so by doubling the laser power earlier in the laser pulse than in earlier tries.
The fusion-energy yield was increased by about tenfold from past experiments, in a series that started last May. One of the experiments produced more than half of the so-called Lawson criteria needed to reach ignition - but only about one-100th of the energy needed for ignition.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/scientists-achieve-turning-point-in-fusion-energy-quest-20140213-32jii.html#ixzz2tJNh17ho
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I know it's not literally something from nothing but it was more a dig at 'those' who can't get their head around ending with seemingly more than they started with.
Honestly I'm surprised and excited by this. Not being a physics pro I just assumed this was only capable in the cores of stars due to their mass overcoming the strong interaction (or was it the weak? I always get the two mixed up lol) and that the technology just did not exist yet. Makes taking my scifi books literally a little easier ;D
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I know it's not literally something from nothing but it was more a dig at 'those' who can't get their head around ending with seemingly more than they started with.
All good :thumbsup
Honestly I'm surprised and excited by this. Not being a physics pro I just assumed this was only capable in the cores of stars due to their mass overcoming the strong interaction (or was it the weak? I always get the two mixed up lol) and that the technology just did not exist yet. Makes taking my scifi books literally a little easier ;D
The mass (gravitational force) has to be massive enough to overcome the electric repulsion of like (positive) charge protons and 'squeeze' the protons close enough together to fuse. So the Sun produces and releases energy by fusing Hydrogen into Helium.
(http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit2/Images/ppi.gif)
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit2/energy.html
Or pictorially:
(http://www.physics.fsu.edu/courses/fall98/ast1002/sun/media/s12_10.gif)
http://www.physics.fsu.edu/users/ProsperH/astronomy/sun/default.htm
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All the way into iron until it is no more efficient to fuse into heavier elements :thumbsup
Sagan's greatest ever quote, "we are made of star stuff." If you have Fox the Cosmos series is being rebooted by Ann Druyan and Steve Sotor from the original as well as Seth McFarlane, and presented by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Airs in Aus on NatGeo March 26th I think it is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oAVjF_7ensg
just be sheer weight of numbers, the chances that we are the only planet supporting life is minimal
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All the way into iron until it is no more efficient to fuse into heavier elements :thumbsup
Sagan's greatest ever quote, "we are made of star stuff." If you have Fox the Cosmos series is being rebooted by Ann Druyan and Steve Sotor from the original as well as Seth McFarlane, and presented by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Airs in Aus on NatGeo March 26th I think it is.
I was interested until you said Seth McFarlane. Unless of courses the series attempts to unravel the cosmic mystery of how one twit can become so successful recycling the same unfunny joke over and over again.
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Whether or not you find him funny is subjective, but without his input the new series wouldn't have received any network backing. He's a staunch atheist and has been trying to get this off the ground for years.
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http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-giant-virus-revived-20140302,0,4662287.story#axzz2uxQIIgtz
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Quantum physics secures new cryptography scheme.
The way we secure digital transactions could soon change. An international team has demonstrated a form of quantum cryptography that can protect people doing business with others they may not know or trust – a situation encountered often on the internet and in everyday life, for example at a bank's ATM.
"Having quantum cryptography to hand is a realistic prospect, I think. I expect that quantum technologies will gradually become integrated with existing devices such as smartphones, allowing us to do things like identify ourselves securely or generate encryption keys," says Stephanie Wehner, a Principal Investigator at the Centre for Quantum Technologies (CQT) at the National University of Singapore, and co-author on the paper.
In cryptography, the problem of providing a secure way for two mutually distrustful parties to interact is known as 'two-party secure computation'. The new work, published in Nature Communications, describes the implementation using quantum technology of an important building block for such schemes.
Today, taking money out of an ATM requires that you put in a card and type in your PIN. You trust the bank's machine with your personal data. But what if you don't trust the machine? You might instead type your PIN into your trusted phone, then let your phone do secure quantum identification with the ATM (see artist's impression). Ultimately, the aim is to implement a scheme that can check if your account number and PIN matches the bank's records without either you or the bank having to disclose the login details to each other.
The experiments performed at IQC deployed quantum-entangled photons in such a way that one party, dubbed Alice, could share information with a second party, dubbed Bob, while meeting stringent restrictions. Specifically, Alice has two sets of information. Bob requests access to one or the other, and Alice must be able to send it to him without knowing which set he's asked for. Bob must also learn nothing about the unrequested set. This is a protocol known as 1-2 random oblivious transfer (ROT).
Unlike protocols for ROT that use only classical physics, the security of the quantum protocol cannot be broken by computational power. Even if the attacker had a quantum computer, the protocol would remain secure.
To start the ROT protocol, Alice creates pairs of entangled photons. She measures one of each pair and sends the other to Bob to measure. Bob chooses which photons he wants to learn about, dividing his data accordingly without revealing his picks to Alice. Both then wait for a length of time chosen such that any attempt to store quantum information about the photons is likely to fail. To complete the oblivious transfer, Alice then tells Bob which measurements she made, and they both process their data in set ways that ensure the result is correct and secure within a pre-agreed margin of error.
In the demonstration performed at IQC, Alice and Bob achieved a random oblivious transfer of 1,366 bits. The whole process took about three minutes.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-03-quantum-physics-cryptography-scheme.html
Actual scientific paper at: http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140312/ncomms4418/full/ncomms4418.html
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That's awesome if it could be applied to internet transactions in time as well.
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Here is an interesting documentary called "A Brief History Of Time" on Stephen Hawking's life and his theories.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjFynyihXuY
Suffice to say that after watching this very good doco, I came to the conclusion that Stephen was in fact the most normal person in his family. His sister is well scary and I mean "The hills have eyes" scary. :outtahere
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Could be nothing, but has the potential to be massive :clapping
http://www.universetoday.com/110353/rumors-flying-nearly-as-fast-as-their-subject-have-gravitational-waves-been-detected/
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Dam
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http://www.universetoday.com/110360/landmark-discovery-new-results-provide-direct-evidence-for-cosmic-inflation/
:clapping
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So is this a cosmologists version of one of those magic eye things? If you stare at it long enough you may be able to draw some sort of theoretical conclusion from it?
I wonder what they would see if they squint. ;D
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Inflation is no longer theoretical. It would take some remarkable evidence to suggest otherwise. :cheers
Anyone catch the new Cosmos reboot on NatGeo? I reckon Neil Tyson is a very fitting replacement for Carl Sagan.
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http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21600083-planetary-science
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Meanwhile in Japan while Australia is throwing back to medieval Europe:
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/japan-wants-put-giant-solar-farm-space
Getting closer to the Dyson sphere :clapping
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(http://i.imgur.com/TSnvlvU.png)
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Meanwhile in Japan while Australia is throwing back to medieval Europe:
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/japan-wants-put-giant-solar-farm-space
Getting closer to the Dyson sphere :clapping
Medieval Europe is underrated.
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Minus the abrahamic mythology.
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Europey without the church in the middle ages would have turn into dark age chaos
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for sure. Such great civilised acts such as the the crusades and the spanish inquisition.
The dedication of large areas in the building of castles and fortresses for the sole purpose of torture, not to mention the planning and engineering efforts designing implements to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible.
Such a proud time in human history with the church largely calling the shots.
It's just as well the church was able to rise to power and bring their civilised practices to the barbarians, because eventually they (the church) became custodians and protectors of vulnerable children and the last thing a civilised society wants is such people inflicting barbaric practices on those that need protection.
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the church was the only remaining pillar of centralized society in the west after rome
without the church Europe would have been shambolic and overrun by Mongolians or Arabs and the world would be a far different place today
(http://cdn.hellogiggles.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/15/fe0ed477-aa77-4aee-8b9f-145ccee89f63_simpsons_treehouse_09_genocide.jpg)
if you look closely enough i think you will find major faiths will have their hand in the cake today
The dedication of large areas in the building of castles and fortresses for the sole purpose of torture, not to mention the planning and engineering efforts designing implements to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible.
Such a proud time in human history with the church largely calling the shots.
It's just as well the church was able to rise to power and bring their civilised practices to the barbarians, because eventually they (the church) became custodians and protectors of vulnerable children and the last thing a civilised society wants is such people inflicting barbaric practices on those that need protection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp :whistle
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:lol
The only thing the church did was drag the world from chaotic barbarism into organised barbarism.
I'm not sure how modern detention and torture of mainly Muslims by Christians somehow justifies or denies the horrors inflicted by the church, in the middle ages, or any time since, in particular the physical, mental and sexual abuse of children under their care.
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If it weren't for the arabs in the middle ages, and not the church or the Europeans, then all the great Greek and Roman works that we still have today would have been lost forever. The church, and the entire judeo-christian faith is nothing but a stain on human history. It has been the single most destructive and stagnating influence in human history and without it and its arrogance, lies and corruption mankind wouldn't be in the same poo hole it is in today. Mythology should have died in the middle ages. It is an out dated hypothesis that has absolutely no place in a modern, rational thinking society.
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in a way you are all right imo.
Found this which i liked though:
(http://congressshallmakenolaw.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dark-ages.jpg)
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Haven't seen the graphic before but been saying that for years. The dark ages should have instead filled with blokes like Galileo being able to freely continue the work of others like Eratosthenes instead of oppression and indoctrination.
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While the civilised Christians of Britain believed that disease was a punishment from Yahweh for sins, and happily filled the streets and rivers with their excrement, the uncivilised non believers of Asia, China in particular, had people collect their bodily waste in the cities and transport it into the country where it was used to fertilise their crops.
In 18th century Japan, such use made it so valuable it was a tradable commodity and a crime to steal it.
Primitive heathens
In the middle east, the cradle of civilisation, the arabs were so far advanced from Christian Europe in terms of science, medicine, literature, architecture, the arts. They had observatories, libraries, universities. Their cities not only had mosques, but synagogues and Christian churches.
Thank Yahweh that the Christian church realised what a threat this all was to their religious (fear) based power and started the crusades in an attempt to destroy all this.
You can only applaud such religious zealotry that when you have run out of men to die for your cause, you start sending armies of children off to die in a foreign land in god's name.
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We speaking of the current western oil invasion of the middle east or the crusades? :whistle. In find it a bit funny yo bag the church forn2000 years ofnshyteness and praise how switched on we are in the modern day. Whilst george bushbsays the hail Mary as his finger is above the atomic bomb button
If you look at events like the rape of Nanking - making white war crimes look like a tea party in comparison - inwoukdnhardly hold up Japan as the historic benchmark in ethical and moral righteousness
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who's applauding how switched on we are in the modern age?
The discussion is about the influence of Christianity in the middle ages.
In fact it was you that stated we are now better off due to this influence, so if anyone is applauding how switched on we are now it your good self.
Why do you keep bring up modern day shyte in an effort to justify shyte from days gone by? Isnt wrong, wrong?
Beside which, it hasnt been said that Japan was more ethical or righteous, just smarter, at the time.
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Evolution in action.
http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/these-wasps-have-zinc-tipped-drill-bits
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A reminder that this is a science thread to discuss scientific topics, theories and discoveries. It's not for political discussion.
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A reminder that this is a science thread to discuss scientific topics, theories and discoveries. It's not for political discussion.
I better not comment at all then.
:lol
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http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-08/07/10-qs-about-nasa-impossible-drive
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Bit slow on the uptake broseph.
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(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1409/3c75_chandraNRAO_576.jpg)
Two supermassive black holes at the center of galaxy 3C 75, orbiting each other in a binary system
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1409/3c75_chandraNRAO_576.jpg
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Tonight's Lunar Eclipse starts shortly. Hoping the cloud cover goes away so we can see it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzaPQJpCcAAN_Y6.jpg:large)
Source: Ch 7 news.
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What cloud cover?
:P :P :P
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What a non event the lunar eclipse was :lol
Couldn't see a thing because of the clouds :laugh:
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Perfect viewing from the Penisular ;)
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What a non event the lunar eclipse was :lol
Couldn't see a thing because of the clouds :laugh:
No, it happened as forecast WP. Still is actually. Only visible to the parts of Australia that don't need to alter clocks to keep up with the rest of the world though. ;D
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http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/we-are-alone-in-the-universe-brian-cox-20141027-11crqq.html
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Concluding that point considering the age and the size of the universe, that we know complex and intelligent (subjective) life has already evolved on one planet and that the building blocks of life are absolutely everywhere, is extremely narrow minded. Poor form Mr Cox who I have generally found informative. Maybe should have stuck to playing glam. In fact, given the evidence, the existence of other civilisations is more likely than intelligent design.
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Advanced species and civilisations are improbable but to rule out the existence of life of any kind (even bacteria) is unwise IMO. It should be left as an unknown.
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Advanced species and civilisations are improbable but to rule out the existence of life of any kind (even bacteria) is unwise IMO. It should be left as an unknown.
On what basis are advanced species and civilisations improbable MT? The number of stars and planets in our known universe is practically infinite. Just because other civilisations haven't turned up and declared themselves (and there is good evidence that they have, but I'll put that to one side for a moment) doesn't mean other species don't exist.
I reckon given the right conditions life thrives, and evolves. Even if it's a one in a million where the right conditions occur, the sheer mind blowing number of stars and planets out there means there would be a massive number of advanced species. We know that there are a number of planets sit in the Goldilocks zone and we have scratched the smallest slither on the surface.
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It can't be improbable. It's unknown. But we know for a fact that it has happened once, and by sheer weight of numbers it must have happened more. Rare, maybe, even likely, but improbable is a massive claim. Life I think is everywhere. It lays dormant until the right conditions are met then it explodes, and once it gets a foothold it adapts. The Earth is testament to this.
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Based on sheer numbers my personal opinion is the Universe is probably more likely to be teeming with advanced life rather than advanced life being a rarety or a one off.
Would love to be around in the future when contact is formally made or this becomes a 'known'.
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If humans are the most advanced species of life in the universe then the thing is just one big joke.
It certainly aint intelligent design, thats for sure......
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Aliens are on earth now :shh
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yeah, illegal aliens......
seriously if an advanced species ever discovered us and studied how we behave they would either stay the stuff away or eradicate us.
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They came a lot more, after we got nuke weapons happening
Look into people of authority quotes on aliens; Kazakhstan Presidents, astronauts, nuclear weapon bosses etc, high security military bass.. Etc
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Former Canadian defence minister etc
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There's enough reasonable evidence to suggest they have been visiting for a very long time.
Plenty of govt, military officials. Ex astronauts too. Sightings confirmed by radar and hundreds of witnesses at the same time.
I have to laugh the way the whole ufo and alien topic has been trivialised by the media and govts to the point where the greater population who cant think outside the square for themselves think anyone who has a legit experience is automatically a crackpot who hallucinates little green men. The population doesn't even know why they react like that. Pretty sad.
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yeah, illegal aliens......
seriously if an advanced species ever discovered us and studied how we behave they would either stay the stuff away or eradicate us.
Alot of people who have allegedly had contact reckon a couple of key messages that are often communicated are:-
1) as far as the human race goes, we are not unlike a young adolescent that needs to learn what is right and wrong.
2) there is a rule which is mostly followed of non - intervention into the affairs of semi - advanced civilisations
3) most species are benevolent unless threatened themselves.
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From what I've seen in Hollywood movies, a couple of key messages that are often communicated are:-
1) as far as the human race goes, we are not unlike a young adolescent that needs to learn what is right and wrong.
2) there is a rule which is mostly followed of non - intervention into the affairs of semi - advanced civilisations
3) most species are benevolent unless threatened themselves.
e.f.a.
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Anyone else see a double tailed meteor travling on a nearly 90 degree trajectory, tonight?
It was amazing.
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From what I've seen in Hollywood movies, a couple of key messages that are often communicated are:-
1) as far as the human race goes, we are not unlike a young adolescent that needs to learn what is right and wrong.
2) there is a rule which is mostly followed of non - intervention into the affairs of semi - advanced civilisations
3) most species are benevolent unless threatened themselves.
e.f.a.
There it is! Enter the crackpot seeing flat-earthers
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yeah, illegal aliens......
seriously if an advanced species ever discovered us and studied how we behave they would either stay the stuff away or eradicate us.
Alot of people who have allegedly had contact reckon a couple of key messages that are often communicated are:-
1) as far as the human race goes, we are not unlike a young adolescent that needs to learn what is right and wrong.
2) there is a rule which is mostly followed of non - intervention into the affairs of semi - advanced civilisations
3) most species are benevolent unless threatened themselves.
1) this is correct, but an adolescent that is not as smart as it thinks and with no adult to provide guidanc
2) who the stuff would know.
3) based on species on earth, generally correct, excepting for predator/prey interactions. The problem with humans is that generally they feel threatened by anything different to themselves. Also like the adolescent child, we pose a threat to others, and ourselves, by acting without consideration, or caring, of the consequences.
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/strangebuttrue/out-of-this-world-russian-region-leaders-alien-abduction-story-shakes-officials-20100506-ucw9.html chess gun / boss, pm, mate of putin
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535698/Aliens-walk-theyre-refusing-share-technology-change-warring-polluting-ways-claims-former-Canadian-defense-minister.html.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_issues
Defence minister
http://www.examiner.com/article/neil-armstrong-dies-along-with-secrets-of-what-he-saw-on-moon. Neil.
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yeah, illegal aliens......
seriously if an advanced species ever discovered us and studied how we behave they would either stay the stuff away or eradicate us.
Alot of people who have allegedly had contact reckon a couple of key messages that are often communicated are:-
1) as far as the human race goes, we are not unlike a young adolescent that needs to learn what is right and wrong.
2) there is a rule which is mostly followed of non - intervention into the affairs of semi - advanced civilisations
3) most species are benevolent unless threatened themselves.
1) this is correct, but an adolescent that is not as smart as it thinks and with no adult to provide guidanc
2) who the stuff would know.
3) based on species on earth, generally correct, excepting for predator/prey interactions. The problem with humans is that generally they feel threatened by anything different to themselves. Also like the adolescent child, we pose a threat to others, and ourselves, by acting without consideration, or caring, of the consequences.
Fair call :thumbsup
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Here's a link to some credible ufo witnesses including 3 astronauts, 2 cosmonauts, and US senators etc
http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/p/famous-people-13.html?m=1
This aside, I think the point myself and Judge are making is really solid evidence is out there. There's also a lot of rubbish you just have to sort the wheat from the chaff and follow your instincts.
It's an important question and I would encourage every person who is semi interested or a skeptic to look into it and form your own view.
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The best one to date which has had numerous documentaries around it since is the UFO that was witnessed by soldiers outside a nuclear base in the UK in the 80s I think it was. Lots of credible witnesses and documentation.
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W0ts the go with this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_satellite
NASA official website gots several pics of it ...
(http://greaterancestors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/black-knight-satelite.jpg)
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The best one to date which has had numerous documentaries around it since is the UFO that was witnessed by soldiers outside a nuclear base in the UK in the 80s I think it was. Lots of credible witnesses and documentation.
Rendlesham?
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Here's a link to some credible ufo witnesses including 3 astronauts, 2 cosmonauts, and US senators etc
http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/p/famous-people-13.html?m=1
This aside, I think the point myself and Judge are making is really solid evidence is out there. There's also a lot of rubbish you just have to sort the wheat from the chaff and follow your instincts.
It's an important question and I would encourage every person who is semi interested or a skeptic to look into it and form your own view.
When my local ice addict rants on about aliens fair enough the source lacks creditable then needs to be taken with a grain of salt as it were
But when presidents, defensive ministers, astronaughts, nuclear arms of Europe bosses (people who's job it is to start nuclear holocaust, or not), high security military base workers etc. fellow richmond fans on this forums who's family chilled with aliens in Clayton in 1966
People who more authority and esteem than your average joe blow, are making the accusations. It's somewhat harder to dismiss it as rubbish.
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The best one to date which has had numerous documentaries around it since is the UFO that was witnessed by soldiers outside a nuclear base in the UK in the 80s I think it was. Lots of credible witnesses and documentation.
Rendlesham?
That be the one. I'm pretty sure.
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Advanced species and civilisations are improbable but to rule out the existence of life of any kind (even bacteria) is unwise IMO. It should be left as an unknown.
On what basis are advanced species and civilisations improbable MT? The number of stars and planets in our known universe is practically infinite. Just because other civilisations haven't turned up and declared themselves (and there is good evidence that they have, but I'll put that to one side for a moment) doesn't mean other species don't exist.
I reckon given the right conditions life thrives, and evolves. Even if it's a one in a million where the right conditions occur, the sheer mind blowing number of stars and planets out there means there would be a massive number of advanced species. We know that there are a number of planets sit in the Goldilocks zone and we have scratched the smallest slither on the surface.
Firstly, the further away you look from the Earth, the further you are looking into the past. We're not looking at the current state.
Secondly, the Goldilocks zone is fairly broad. Essentially, a planet that exists from a Sun-like star a distance equivalent from Venus' orbit to just beyond Mars' orbit.
Add to that the composition and habitability of these exo-planets is uncertain. Some of these exo-planets have later turned out to be unhabitable after further investigation with improved modelling.
Then add such things as orbital effects which play a significant part in a planet's climate. The planet's tilt, the precession of the tilt, the variation in eccentricity of the orbit, etc ... all play a major role in such things as the rate and frequency of ice ages.
Changes in composition over time can have a major effect on life. Atmospheric Oxygen levels on Earth changing from 1% to the current ~21% a million years ago (off the top of my head) had a significant effect in allowing the evolution of megafauna.
The other planets in a solar system can also play a roll. Jupiter's gravity for instance 'protects' the Earth from long-period comets and such reduces the frequency of these comets colliding with the Earth. A major collision would be obviously devastating to life on Earth.
Essentially, I would argue the variabilities needed for the existence of advanced species on another world are just as great as the possible number of habitable planets in the universe. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's certainly improbable that advanced species and civilisations exist.
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Advanced species and civilisations are improbable but to rule out the existence of life of any kind (even bacteria) is unwise IMO. It should be left as an unknown.
On what basis are advanced species and civilisations improbable MT? The number of stars and planets in our known universe is practically infinite. Just because other civilisations haven't turned up and declared themselves (and there is good evidence that they have, but I'll put that to one side for a moment) doesn't mean other species don't exist.
I reckon given the right conditions life thrives, and evolves. Even if it's a one in a million where the right conditions occur, the sheer mind blowing number of stars and planets out there means there would be a massive number of advanced species. We know that there are a number of planets sit in the Goldilocks zone and we have scratched the smallest slither on the surface.
Firstly, the further away you look from the Earth, the further you are looking into the past. We're not looking at the current state.
Secondly, the Goldilocks zone is fairly broad. Essentially, a planet that exists from a Sun-like star a distance equivalent from Venus' orbit to just beyond Mars' orbit.
Add to that the composition and habitability of these exo-planets is uncertain. Some of these exo-planets have later turned out to be unhabitable after further investigation with improved modelling.
Then add such things as orbital effects which play a significant part in a planet's climate. The planet's tilt, the precession of the tilt, the variation in eccentricity of the orbit, etc ... all play a major role in such things as the rate and frequency of ice ages.
Changes in composition over time can have a major effect on life. Atmospheric Oxygen levels on Earth changing from 1% to the current ~21% a million years ago (off the top of my head) had a significant effect in allowing the evolution of megafauna.
The other planets in a solar system can also play a roll. Jupiter's gravity for instance 'protects' the Earth from long-period comets and such reduces the frequency of these comets colliding with the Earth. A major collision would be obviously devastating to life on Earth.
Essentially, I would argue the variabilities needed for the existence of advanced species on another world are just as great as the possible number of habitable planets in the universe. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's certainly improbable that advanced species and civilisations exist.
Fair call. I'd similarly argue the variables are very high but not as extensive the sheer number (almost infinite) of stars and opportunities for intelligent life.
Just in our galaxy alone, if at any time 1 in every 10,000,000,000 (10 billion) stars provided the correct conditions for a planet to develop intelligent life, there would be 30 different intelligent species in the Milky Way.
Multiply that by the number of galaxies (200 billion) in the universe and you get 6,000,000,000,000 (6 trillion intelligent species).
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Surely we all know that for intelligent life to exist in other solar systems not only do you need the perfect conditions to support life, you also need 1 adam, 1 eve, 1 apple tree and one snake. ;D
It also helps if there are a few oompa loompa's to be responsible for waste management.
In all seriousness though, The has to be many forms of life existing out there going through their own evolutionary paths. As we have seen in our evolutionary process, for the human race to evolve to where it is today, lots of random events have occurred through time. So whilst I believe there are other lifeforms out there, and possibly even millions of different lifeforms on just one planet, another human like species is highly unlikely.
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We only know of life as we know it though. Granted he is a physicist and not a biologist, Michio Kaku was talking about it in some The Universe episode (History Channel) that for all we know water isn't the most soluble and there may be better and more efficient ways for life to construct itself. Intelligent life may be as rare as just one per galactic neighborhood. The sheer size of the universe and the amount of possibilities makes it so hard to say that intelligent life elsewhere is more unlikely than not.
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* Deinococcus radiodurans bacterium can survive a 15,000 gray dose of radiation, where 10 grays would kill a human and it takes over 1,000 grays to kill a cockroach. (Lives in feckong Chernobyl
* deep-sea hydrothermal vents - pressure/heat, dam
Surrounding these chimneys was a unique type of ecosystem that had never been seen before. Until this day, science had always assumed that all life on Earth obtained its energy from the Sun. The plants convert sunlight into energy through a process called photosynthesis. The plants, in turn, provide food for countless species of animals in a complex web of life. But here, facing the deep-sea submersibles, was a sight that challenged those assumptions. Here was proof for the first time that life could be sustained by the Earth itself.
* loriciferan identified as an undescribed species of the genus Spinoloricus. The creature has specialized organelles so that it can survive without oxygen.
http://www.livescience.com/13377-extremophiles-world-weirdest-life.html
http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/microbes/eatingradio.jsp
http://www.seasky.org/deep-sea/hydrothermal-vents.html
Dwayne makes a fait point. More chance of life in the universe/s (modern string theory).
Aliens already here chilling with the gov, if you ggo down the rabbit hole enough :shh http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13/iran-says-tall-white-space-aliens-control-america
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W0ts the go with this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_satellite
NASA official website gots several pics of it ...
(http://greaterancestors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/black-knight-satelite.jpg)
Anyone? :(
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Looks bogus to me. Why is it that alien spacecraft always have to look like something from Battlestar Gallactica? And why would it choose to appear and then disappear??? Surely if it were some intelligent alien race wanting to covertly monitor us it would always remain unseen. I call shenanigans. Either that or just good old fashion space junk
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Looks bogus to me.
The only problem is - its on the official NASA website
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http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=STS088&roll=724&frame=65
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=STS088&roll=724&frame=66
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=STS088&roll=724&frame=68
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=STS088&roll=724&frame=69
lol ...
Why is it that alien spacecraft always have to look like something from Battlestar Gallactica?[And why would it choose to appear and then disappear??? Surely if it were some intelligent alien race wanting to covertly monitor us it would always remain unseen.
i have NFI, x3
I call shenanigans. Either that or just good old fashion space junk
nasa taking the pee?
(http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/aws2.gif)
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Judge only recently a large number well respected media outlets worldwide also published the giant mud crab "crabzilla" story as a headline which turned out to be completely bogus and in fact the guy who created it did it for a bit of fun and never thought that anyone would have taken it seriously.
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If it were real and there was meant to be any sort of major cover up then they wouldn't be publishing photos of it online. NASA employs people to air brush photos, their job is to clean up pictures of debris from images before sharing so we can use them as pretty desktop wallpapers or whatever. In conspiracy circles it is their job to hide things like evidence of extraterrestrials. Pretty sure they would have been all over the 'black knight' had it been anything.
Regarding the tall whites, watched a good doco and lecture on youtube ages back from the bloke who was meant to have worked with them. Makes for a great story but all we have is his word. Hardly science. I want to believe but there is just nothing concrete anywhere. I've read Erich von Daniken, lots of Zecharia Sitchin, Alan Alford and a few of the others and it's still just all speculative.
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Judge only recently a large number well respected media outlets worldwide also published the giant mud crab "crabzilla" story as a headline which turned out to be completely bogus and in fact the guy who created it did it for a bit of fun and never thought that anyone would have taken it seriously.
* http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/mind-blowing-story-of-russian-cosmonauts-who-saw-angels-in-space
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell#Views_on_UFOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPsBV0TZLy4
Edgar Dean "Ed" Mitchell, Sc.D., is an American retired naval officer and aviator, test pilot, aeronautical engineer, and NASA astronau
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&feature=related http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Cooper
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I agree judge, if the pics were of something seriously legit, the NASA photoshop dudes would have covered it over like it was Kardashian cellulite.
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W0ts the go with this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_satellite
NASA official website gots several pics of it ...
(http://greaterancestors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/black-knight-satelite.jpg)
Anyone? :(
bottom right looks like a stealth bomber
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W0ts the go with this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_satellite
NASA official website gots several pics of it ...
(http://greaterancestors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/black-knight-satelite.jpg)
Anyone? :(
bottom right looks like a stealth bomber
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=STS088&roll=724&frame=70 :o
bottom right looks like a stealth bomber
its not ;)
Identification
Mission: STS088 Roll: 724 Frame: 69 Mission ID on the Film or image: STS88
Country or Geographic Name: OCEAN
Features: SUNGLINT, SPACE DEBRIS
Center Point: Latitude: Longitude: (Negative numbers indicate south for latitude and west for longitude)
Stereo: No (Yes indicates there is an adjacent picture of the same area)
ONC Map ID: L-05 JNC Map ID: 51
Camera
Camera Tilt: High Oblique
Camera Focal Length: 250mm
Camera: HB: Hasselblad
Film: 5069 : Kodak Elite 100S, E6 Reversal, Replaces Lumiere, Warmer in tone vs. Lumiere.
Quality
Film Exposure: Normal
Percentage of Cloud Cover: 90 (76-100)
Nadir
GMT Date: 19981211 (YYYYMMDD) GMT Time: 201824 (HHMMSS)
Nadir Point Latitude: -24.5, Longitude: 13.1 (Negative numbers indicate south for latitude and west for longitude)
Nadir to Photo Center Direction: Northwest
Sun Azimuth: 223 (Clockwise angle in degrees from north to the sun measured at the nadir point)
Spacecraft Altitude: 214 nautical miles (396 km)
Sun Elevation Angle: -28 (Angle in degrees between the horizon and the sun, measured at the nadir point)
Orbit Number: 118
Battlestar Gallactica, looking space debris
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Congratulations to the European Space Agency for being the first to land a space craft on a comet http://www.iflscience.com/space/philae-robot-makes-historic-landing-rubber-duck-comet
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Someone did some good maths
calculate 4 different gravity assists
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Congratulations to the European Space Agency for being the first to land a space craft on a comet http://www.iflscience.com/space/philae-robot-makes-historic-landing-rubber-duck-comet
And I thought finding a parking space at the shops on a Saturday morning was tough....
Comets travel pretty quick from memory so I hope we don't hear the words from the ESA "It was there a second ago..." ;D
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Congratulations to the European Space Agency for being the first to land a space craft on a comet http://www.iflscience.com/space/philae-robot-makes-historic-landing-rubber-duck-comet
And I thought finding a parking space at the shops on a Saturday morning was tough....
Comets travel pretty quick from memory so I hope we don't hear the words from the ESA "It was there a second ago..." ;D
;D good one
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Forget about all that....apparently this is the most pressing issue to come out of it:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/13/living/matt-taylor-shirt-philae-rosetta-project/
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I prefer reading about Kim's booty
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Forget about all that....apparently this is the most pressing issue to come out of it:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/13/living/matt-taylor-shirt-philae-rosetta-project/
http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/11/13/dr-matt-taylor-dude-put-probe-comet-cannibal-corpse-fan/
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Move over Marty McFly.....
http://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/tony-hawk-does-tricks-on-a-real-life-hoverboard-1609693/
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http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/stephen-hawking-unveils-new-predictive-speech-platform-says-ai-could-spell-the-end-of-the-human-race-20141202-11yzrn.html
Can't come quickly enough....just hope we win the flag first....
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Won't happen as long as Isaac Asimov's laws of robotics are in place.
In other news, Hawking wants to be a Bond villian.
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(https://i.imgur.com/3gO1ZVX.jpg)
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I see you've been watching NASA Unexplained Files on Discovery Science.
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Reddit /conspiracy, actually
But I do wonder why astronauts would ssay such thing
Youd think they be very reputable and stable given the job description
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They are only observations.
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Possibly they've seen too much, Hangar 18 they know too much...
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They are only observations.
Only observations by the
people in space
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Pretty convincing list of people.
Have to wonder short of seeing these things for yourself, who's acct would people trust and believe?
Used car salesmen? The local meth head?
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Einstein claimed the universe was static but that didn't make it so. Observations will be just that until there is hard proof regardless of who makes the claim.
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Was he looking out the window of his space ship, seeing alien/s, at the time?
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To reiterate my point - i find it of interest the people saying these things
Are the ones inside the space ship, on the moon, looking around. The people that build space ships. Nuclear weapon bosses. Defence geezers etc.
Seemingly people that you would think need to be smart and not prone to talk shyte
They are only observations, by the people best position to observe?
Einstein claimed the universe was static but that didn't make it so. Observations will be just that until there is hard proof regardless of who makes the claim.
Human religious systems have been around for tens o thousands years. If hard proof was released tomorrow. What would the consequence be? Chaos...
Anything that would cause distribution to the current energy system qoa is unlikly to happen. As its a multi trillion industry. For example. If you suddenly bhave a device that gives abundant free energy. Would we get one? Nope
Reagan said to the un something along the lines of - if the world knew of other life outside of earth, how quickly our problems would fall away. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/flashback-reagans-vision-unifying.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA
That wouldn't be good, as there is no money in peace. If you disagree have a look into economics
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter. <- is that hard proof? I've not seen it 'debunked'
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Lots of words, not a shred of evidence. Stick to conspiracies pls :shh
I'm a Fox Mulder, I want to believe and well read on the topic from von Daniken and Sitchin to Alan Alford, seen everything from UFO Hunters to Ancient Aliens and followed many alleged eye witnesses from Charles Hall to Paul Hellyer and trust me I will be the first to bang on when there is something to go on. To suggest so now based on arguments as intangible as unsubstantiated eyewitness accounts is bad science.
The argument of technology or whatever that will apparently topple the paradigm is rubbish. If it were the case the West would be doing everything in their power to stop China from heading to the moon to control helium-3.
Also, there is no such thing as free energy, whether abundant or scarce :shh
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Lots of words, not a shred of evidence. Stick to conspiracies pls :shh
Yet what you are purposely ignoring is they are not my words - they are the words of people that visited space ... And other 'hhighly rated' types
Dwayne - do you agree astronaut or president says something in their chosen field - if holds more weight than if you or I were to? Or is that a silly statement??
:gotigers
Sources: http://universaltruth.github.io/#quotes
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I'm just surprised you don't believe the moon landings were faked...
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http://www.examiner.com/article/neil-armstrong-dies-along-with-secrets-of-what-he-saw-on-moon
:shh
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I think I'll take Neil Armstrongs word over two guys on the Internet that follow Richmond and inadvertently believe UFOs = crackpots on this subject matter.
Professor: What really happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible … of course, we had always known there was a possibility … the fact is, we were warned off. There was never any questions then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean “warned off”?
Armstrong: I can’t go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology – Boy, where they big! … and menacing …. No, there is no question of a space station.
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Lots of words, not a shred of evidence. Stick to conspiracies pls :shh
I'm a Fox Mulder, I want to believe and well read on the topic from von Daniken and Sitchin to Alan Alford, seen everything from UFO Hunters to Ancient Aliens and followed many alleged eye witnesses from Charles Hall to Paul Hellyer and trust me I will be the first to bang on when there is something to go on. To suggest so now based on arguments as intangible as unsubstantiated eyewitness accounts is bad science.
dwaino what about the tens of thousands of photos of sightings, many corroborated by radar? What about disclosed govt information confirming incidents? Do you believe these are all fakes/errors and the govt information is lying? You surely have to believe the weight of evidence points to something going on that is likely to include extraterrestrial visitation.
Or is it the test of proof requires you to see such a ship for yourself?
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How do you know they aren't man made air craft? UFO does not automatically mean aliens. To make the leap from an unknown craft, skipping any rational and more likely any more plausible explanation and going straight to extraterrestrials is no better than this guy,
(http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/giorgiotsoukalos.jpg)
There is not a single photograph, video or eye witness account that stands up to the rigors of scientific scrutiny. Take the Phoenix Lights for example. An entire city saw it and it is caught on film. Was it unknown? Of course because to this day there is no precise explanation. If it was an extraterrestrial craft (or crafts) or not is a hypothesis and imo a valid one. That is scientific process, not this hodge podge crap some noddy put together on youtube with an ambient soundtrack ripped from a horror movie for the gullible tin foil hat wearers to goble up. No one needs to argue the case to me, I want to believe in the same way Carl Sagan did and Seth Shostak does, but you need something concrete.
I also can't for the life of me understand why any advanced species coming here with obviously far superior technology would seek out our insignificant world leaders and do some shady deal to remain confidential as there is absolutely nothing for them to gain by it when they could quite easily take what they want. Maybe they're actually dolphins and they're mocking us by performing maneuvers in space crafts as we make them do at zoos?
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once you start believing in something without real proof you are entering the realm of faith and move from science to religion.
the church of Scientology, despite its name, is a religion, not a science and they believe pretty much what dwainos last paragraph asks ( not the dolphin part).
there are a great many unexplained things in this world, and it just seems to be human nature that we cant say " i dunno", but feel a need to have an explanation for everything, which is most probably why humans all over the world all had their own gods, despite being isolated from each other.
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Lots of words, not a shred of evidence. Stick to conspiracies pls :shh
I'm a Fox Mulder, I want to believe and well read on the topic from von Daniken and Sitchin to Alan Alford, seen everything from UFO Hunters to Ancient Aliens and followed many alleged eye witnesses from Charles Hall to Paul Hellyer and trust me I will be the first to bang on when there is something to go on. To suggest so now based on arguments as intangible as unsubstantiated eyewitness accounts is bad science.
The argument of technology or whatever that will apparently topple the paradigm is rubbish. If it were the case the West would be doing everything in their power to stop China from heading to the moon to control helium-3.
Also, there is no such thing as free energy, whether abundant or scarce :shh
the sun? 8)
(you gotta build a solar panel but come on)
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you also have to build a means of storing it.
batteries are expensive and dont last very long.
this is what holds solar back.
coal and oil are actually both forms of solar energy fwiw
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Lots of words, not a shred of evidence.
apart from the ufos chilling outside the International Space Station? :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGfzMdDxijM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAsxflfMXtg
i have not youtubed this stuff before. have you?
there seems to be some funky stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x4P24IUDqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whzmaJhw9ZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwX_OWkx8Og
:whistle
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc7ni3vqzxA
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you also have to build a means of storing it.
batteries are expensive and dont last very long.
this is what holds solar back.
coal and oil are actually both forms of solar energy fwiw
Spot on.
You also need an inverter to make it usable since the panels produce about 12v DC and we need 240v AC Hz (120v 60Hz for the USA because Edison never got over his spat with Tesla). Great for lightning and heating elements like in hot water systems but cannot produce enough power to run things like fridges and washing machines that have motors (power in measured in watts = volts*current, power out will always be less, even good efficiency is only around 0.89, 1 being perfect doesn't exist).
As usual bents missed the point though. Solar energy isn't free, it is transferring light energy into electrical energy. Nothing is free, some are only more efficient than others. Usually I just ignore reptiles but sometimes you don't want to give the plebs the satisfaction that they have had some sort victory, but then shortly after you feel dumber yourself and wonder why the hell you even bothered in the first place :lol
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once you start believing in something without real proof you are entering the realm of faith and move from science to religion.
Faith: irrational belief in something with total disregard of evidence (whether it exists or not).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc7ni3vqzxA
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63k views, it must be real :o
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How do you know they aren't man made air craft? UFO does not automatically mean aliens. To make the leap from an unknown craft, skipping any rational and more likely any more plausible explanation and going straight to extraterrestrials is no better than this guy.
There is not a single photograph, video or eye witness account that stands up to the rigors of scientific scrutiny. Take the Phoenix Lights for example. An entire city saw it and it is caught on film. Was it unknown? Of course because to this day there is no precise explanation. If it was an extraterrestrial craft (or crafts) or not is a hypothesis and imo a valid one.
Sounds pretty irrational to me. It's possible and indeed plausible these craft/lights are under intelligent control (non human). It's not a huge leap of faith nor an illogical view to draw that conclusion on the balance of probability. There's less evidence to suggest that unexplained Ufos are man made because we don't have the tech (or have developed the tech ourselves) to fly and manoeuvre at those speeds.
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dwayne you dont have to reply its ok. but i hope you can understand that i dont know you or your study on science / the universe etc.
hence i think when a scientist who is say, an astronaut and claim he saw a ufo out his space ship window for me, it hold more weight , than you. but if go to space and do some studying and see nothing then what you say would be equally valid
you also have to build a means of storing it.
batteries are expensive and dont last very long.
this is what holds solar back.
coal and oil are actually both forms of solar energy fwiw
Spot on.
You also need an inverter to make it usable since the panels produce about 12v DC and we need 240v AC Hz (120v 60Hz for the USA because Edison never got over his spat with Tesla). Great for lightning and heating elements like in hot water systems but cannot produce enough power to run things like fridges and washing machines that have motors (power in measured in watts = volts*current, power out will always be less, even good efficiency is only around 0.89, 1 being perfect doesn't exist).
As usual bents missed the point though. Solar energy isn't free, it is transferring light energy into electrical energy. Nothing is free, some are only more efficient than others. Usually I just ignore reptiles but sometimes you don't want to give the stupid the satisfaction that they have had some sort victory, but then shortly after you feel dumber yourself and wonder why the hell you even bothered in the first place :lol
if there are indeed ufos how did they get here?
i assume they have some sort of power system yes? i assume itd be more efficient than fossil fuels / solar yes?
you claim you want hard evidence (from the government, i assume?). im saying why would they help you in that regards if it means changing the way the current energy markets work? and as mentioned the religious implications
There is not a single photograph, video or eye witness account that stands up to the rigors of scientific scrutiny. Take the Phoenix Lights for example. An entire city saw it and it is caught on film. Was it unknown? Of course because to this day there is no precise explanation. If it was an extraterrestrial craft (or crafts) or not is a hypothesis and imo a valid one. That is scientific process, not this hodge podge crap some noddy put together on youtube with an ambient soundtrack ripped from a horror movie for the gullible tin foil hat wearers to goble up. No one needs to argue the case to me, I want to believe in the same way Carl Sagan did and Seth Shostak does, but you need something concrete.
I also can't for the life of me understand why any advanced species coming here with obviously far superior technology would seek out our insignificant world leaders and do some shady deal to remain confidential as there is absolutely nothing for them to gain by it when they could quite easily take what they want. Maybe they're actually dolphins and they're mocking us by performing maneuvers in space crafts as we make them do at zoos?
just cause you or i cannot understand something, doesnt mean it isnt so
How do you know they aren't man made air craft? UFO does not automatically mean aliens. To make the leap from an unknown craft, skipping any rational and more likely any more plausible explanation and going straight to extraterrestrials is no better than this guy,
in the case of the foo fighter - apparently both nazi and allies said they didnt think it could be man made
in the case of reagan ufo sighting while on the jet they apparently chased it and reckon there it did things human made craft could not
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How do you know they aren't man made air craft? UFO does not automatically mean aliens. To make the leap from an unknown craft, skipping any rational and more likely any more plausible explanation and going straight to extraterrestrials is no better than this guy.
There is not a single photograph, video or eye witness account that stands up to the rigors of scientific scrutiny. Take the Phoenix Lights for example. An entire city saw it and it is caught on film. Was it unknown? Of course because to this day there is no precise explanation. If it was an extraterrestrial craft (or crafts) or not is a hypothesis and imo a valid one.
Sounds pretty irrational to me. It's possible and indeed plausible these craft/lights are under intelligent control (non human). It's not a huge leap of faith nor an illogical view to draw that conclusion on the balance of probability. There's less evidence to suggest that unexplained Ufos are man made because we don't have the tech (or have developed the tech ourselves) to fly and manoeuvre at those speeds.
Extraterrestrials aren't proven to exist yet it isn't a big leap to conclude they are performing dazzling aerial maneuvers in craft that may or may not exist and may very well be some other phenomena? :lol come on.
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How do you know they aren't man made air craft? UFO does not automatically mean aliens. To make the leap from an unknown craft, skipping any rational and more likely any more plausible explanation and going straight to extraterrestrials is no better than this guy.
There is not a single photograph, video or eye witness account that stands up to the rigors of scientific scrutiny. Take the Phoenix Lights for example. An entire city saw it and it is caught on film. Was it unknown? Of course because to this day there is no precise explanation. If it was an extraterrestrial craft (or crafts) or not is a hypothesis and imo a valid one.
Sounds pretty irrational to me. It's possible and indeed plausible these craft/lights are under intelligent control (non human). It's not a huge leap of faith nor an illogical view to draw that conclusion on the balance of probability. There's less evidence to suggest that unexplained Ufos are man made because we don't have the tech (or have developed the tech ourselves) to fly and manoeuvre at those speeds.
What speeds do you refer to? Faster than the speed of sound?
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my personal view was it was all a bit silly.
then i read, i believe a former american 'nuclear boss', cant remember specific title, claim it was all fair dinkum. my logic is as follows: if this is one of the few men with the ability to end the world. why would he be untrustworthy? would they not have picked someone thats not a nutter?
i cannot find the article but it was something not unlike this: http://news.discovery.com/space/ufos-spying-on-our-nukes-airmen-claim.htm
I think I'll take Neil Armstrongs word over two guys on the Internet that follow Richmond and inadvertently believe UFOs = crackpots on this subject matter.
Professor: What really happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible … of course, we had always known there was a possibility … the fact is, we were warned off. There was never any questions then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean “warned off”?
Armstrong: I can’t go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology – Boy, where they big! … and menacing …. No, there is no question of a space station.
i like this one:
NASA: What's there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11...
Apollo: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!
In 1979, Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now."
Soviet scientists were allegedly the first to confirm the incident.
"According to our information, the encounter was reported immediately after the landing of the module," said Dr. Vladimir Azhazha, a physicist and Professor of Mathematics at Moscow University. "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But his message was never heard by the public-because NASA censored it."
According to another Soviet scientist, Dr. Aleksandr Kazantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside. Dr. Azhazha claims that the UFOs departed minutes after the astronauts came out on to the lunar surface. Maurice Chatelain also confirmed that Apollo 11's radio transmissions were interrupted on several occasions in order to hide the news from the public (this can actually be confirmed because recordings exist in the public domain of these radio 'blackouts'). He went on to claim that "all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin-flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."
So....was it confirmed? Yes, if you believe Binder, Chatelain, Azhazha and Kazantsev. But is there any PROOF in the form of recordings? Sadly, no. NASA even managed to lose most of the Apollo 11 mission tapes never to be recovered. I do find it very interesting that Armstrong initially refused to participate in any of NASA's 40th celebration ceremonies. He's certainly a man of integrity, and perhaps that's why he refused to be put into situations where he might be forced to lie about UFO's and a possible alien presence on moon? At a conference presented to new NASA apprentices which was aired on CSPAN, Armstrong first compared himself and the other astronauts to a parrot before claiming that parrots don't fly too well (but they do repeat what they are told). Armstrong then went on to state that 'there are great freedoms available to those who could strip away one of truth's protective layers.' Was this a reference to the disinformation surrounding the UFO topic? Either way, it's a fascinating story that--if true--will probably never be disclosed to the public.
the guy talking is edgar mitchell, he's the astronaut who holds the longest recorded moonwalk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iNMPdbnkcw
this guy was the defense minister of canada, skip to like 50 sec, he's kind of boring before that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9UJ8uWqF6E
this is footage neil armstrong and edgar mitchell took on the moon of the structures the defense minister is talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkGTJEK0Mc
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How do you know they aren't man made air craft? UFO does not automatically mean aliens. To make the leap from an unknown craft, skipping any rational and more likely any more plausible explanation and going straight to extraterrestrials is no better than this guy.
There is not a single photograph, video or eye witness account that stands up to the rigors of scientific scrutiny. Take the Phoenix Lights for example. An entire city saw it and it is caught on film. Was it unknown? Of course because to this day there is no precise explanation. If it was an extraterrestrial craft (or crafts) or not is a hypothesis and imo a valid one.
Sounds pretty irrational to me. It's possible and indeed plausible these craft/lights are under intelligent control (non human). It's not a huge leap of faith nor an illogical view to draw that conclusion on the balance of probability. There's less evidence to suggest that unexplained Ufos are man made because we don't have the tech (or have developed the tech ourselves) to fly and manoeuvre at those speeds.
What speeds do you refer to? Faster than the speed of sound?
In some cases yes, in others no.
For example:-
On the evening of the 30th and 31st of March 1990, the Control Reporting Center (CRC) at Glons radar-confirmed triangular objects in the sky above Belgium after having received various reports of unusual lights as bright as stars that changed color. After receiving a second radar confirmation, two F-16 jets were scrambled to intercept. For more than an hour the F-16’s tried to intercept; on three occasions they even obtained radar lock but every time the objects would change their position or accelerate so fast that the locks were broken. During the first radar-lock, the object accelerated from 150 m p/h to more than 1 100 m p/h while changing altitude from 9,000 ft to 5,000 ft and back up to 11,000 ft in less than 2 seconds. These changes in altitude at the speeds reported would have been fatal to any human pilot. During the whole time, more than 13,000 people witnessed the unfolding drama from the ground. After a little more than an hour, the objects disappeared from the various radar screens and the F-16’s returned to base.
http://listverse.com/2013/06/06/10-mysterious-ufo-incidents-confirmed-by-radar/
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now this raises something i have never considered before.
i cant recall any such reports including people hearing a sonic boom...
which of course rewrites some laws of physics
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(http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/giorgiotsoukalos.jpg)
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now this raises something i have never considered before.
i cant recall any such reports including people hearing a sonic boom...
which of course rewrites some laws of physics
Does light create a sonic boom? Snipers bullets? What if I'm on a plane that is travelling 2kph below the speed of sound and I run at 10kph up the aisle?
I guess what I'm asking is what matter and under what circumstances does the sound barrier apply? I think it has to do with a build up of air pressure so if you alleviate this as a physical object it may be possible.
If there are exemptions to the rule then I'm sure any advanced civil would have worked it out.
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light is not something that causes air waves as it moves, therefore it does not cause a sonic boom. it has no mass to displace the air around it.
bullets that travel fast enough do cause a sonic boom, albeit small.
if you run down the aisle of an aeroplane at 10km per hour you are travelling at 10kmph, regardless of how fast the plane is travelling as long as it is travelling a constant speed. you will be travelling faster than the speed of sound relative to the ground, but not to the inside of the plane and therefore will not displace the air within the plane faster than the speed of sound, therefore no sonic boom.
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Giorgio Dooksalos
(http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/giorgiotsoukalos.jpg)
Pretty sure Dooks is trolling with that one, especially with the light comment. No one weighing into this topic would be such a noddy and Dooks is a cool dude. Also the disregarding or a complete misunderstanding of the Doppler effect.
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I reckon from now on instead of having discussions Dwayne can just keep posting that picture and Angus can keep saying 'illuminate.'
How scientific
:bow :clapping
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Does light create a sonic boom?
A sonic boom is created when an object travels faster than the speed of sound. Sound requires a medium (such as air or water) to move through (hence the expression 'in space no one can hear you scream' as space is a vacuum). As an object speeds up you get a Doppler effect whereby the sound waves in front of moving object bunch up (high frequency) while those behind are spread out (low frequency). It's why with F1 cars you hear the eerrrrrrrrrrrrrr then nahhhhhhhhhhh as they pass by. Once an object hits the sound barrier these waves in front 'merge' and form a shock wave as the airflow no longer can adjust to an object moving faster than the sound it is creating.
(http://i.stack.imgur.com/Inyrs.jpg)
Light is different. Nothing physical travels faster than the speed of light (otherwise you could have time travel to the past) and light does not require a medium to move through (as proven by the Michelson & Morley experiment in 1887 which disproved any existence of an 'ether').
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My favorite explanation for doppler is still the one I learned in high school. Imagine a boat on the water. If it is traveling very slowly it will produce waves in all directions. The ones in front of the direction the boat is traveling will be shorter and higher frequency then the longer and slower ones out the back. Now the boat hits full speed. There is nowhere in front of the boat for waves to propagate so instead you get some splash at the front and wake from behind the boat.
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Are physics consistant across time/space/ dimension s but? I believe not for quantum physics for example
What about black holes? Perhaps the aliens have something we are not aware of.
We rrecently thought life was not possible in space. Chernobyl, under water vents etc. And have been proven wrong for example
My original point which you have distorted; if you want hard proof outside of the alien sitting down and having dinner with you. Could beuunlikely from the gov. May have power implications
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Giorgio Dooksalos
(http://www.ufocasebook.com/2011/giorgiotsoukalos.jpg)
Pretty sure Dooks is trolling with that one, especially with the light comment. No one weighing into this topic would be such a noddy and Dooks is a cool dude. Also the disregarding or a complete misunderstanding of the Doppler effect.
;D
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Are physics consistant across time/space/ dimension s but? I believe not for quantum physics for example
If you are asking if there one grand unified theory of physics then the answer is of course not yet. Quantum physics and general relativity don't yet reconcile as there is no quantum theory for the gravitational force. Einstein's theory of general relativity is a classical (non-quantum) theory. This is why things such as string theory and loop quantum gravity are looked at.
Having said that, the fact there isn't a G.U.T. of everything, doesn't provide a counter-argument to argue that there's aliens out there with superior knowledge protected or hidden by some U.S. government conspiracy.
What about black holes? Perhaps the aliens have something we are not aware of.
Unless you've watched the cult sci-fi movie 'The Black Hole' too many times, real black holes are objects with such large mass that they distort spacetime so much that not even light can escape let alone any 'aliens'.
We rrecently thought life was not possible in space. Chernobyl, under water vents etc. And have been proven wrong for example
Space is a vacuum at 3 degrees kelvin (-270 C). Good luck finding anything surviving unaided (no spacesuit) in that environment.
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Are physics consistant across time/space/ dimension s but? I believe not for quantum physics for example
If you are asking if there one grand unified theory of physics then the answer is of course not yet. Quantum physics and general relativity don't yet reconcile as there is no quantum theory for the gravitational force. Einstein's theory of general relativity is a classical (non-quantum) theory. This is why things such as string theory and loop quantum gravity are looked at.
Having said that, the fact there isn't a G.U.T. of everything, doesn't provide a counter-argument to argue that there's aliens out there with superior knowledge protected or hidden by some U.S. government conspiracy.
What about black holes? Perhaps the aliens have something we are not aware of.
Unless you've watched the cult sci-fi movie 'The Black Hole' too many times, real black holes are objects with such large mass that they distort spacetime so much that not even light can escape let alone any 'aliens'.
We rrecently thought life was not possible in space. Chernobyl, under water vents etc. And have been proven wrong for example
Space is a vacuum at 3 degrees kelvin (-270 C). Good luck finding anything surviving unaided (no spacesuit) in that environment.
But there is an overwhelming amount of quotes from early generation astronaut cosmonaut presidents defensive cheifs nuclear missile dudes etc. Seeminly ingorned as its rather inconvenient
Just the kind of people you wouldn't expect to be jokers
Not to mention unlimited accounts by less creditable humans. Such as the 200 witnesses of the 1966 Clayton incident...
Some pretty decent YouTube videos.
Such as the ISS live feed being
Cut just as the UFOs rocked up ..
Stories by former presidents seeing them in jets / ww2 accounts / nuke sites being turned on / off by unknown sources
I reckon i fairly arrogant,/to dismiss the possibility due to; we couldn't understand why they would be here, or how they got here adduction people on occasion and not many them self formally known to Dwayne beyond reasonable doubt.
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New calculations support dark-matter discovery by DAMA, say physicists.
A controversial claim by the DAMA group that it has detected dark matter in an underground lab in Italy might turn out to be true after all, according to physicists in Europe and the US. The new research reconciles the claimed detection with apparently null results from other experiments, as well as indirect astrophysical evidence. It proposes that dark matter interacts with ordinary matter not via one of the four known fundamental forces but instead through a fifth force mediated by an axion-like particle.
Dark matter is an as-yet-unknown substance that does not emit electromagnetic radiation but which numerous observations suggest makes up at least 80% of the matter in the universe. DAMA, a collaboration of physicists from Italy and China, says it has directly observed dark matter in a sodium-iodide detector located beneath Gran Sasso mountain east of Rome. The basis for its claim is a seasonal variation in the number of tiny flashes of light that should occur when dark matter collides with nuclei in the detector. The group argues that this variation – which peaks in June and has a minimum in December – is just what would be expected as the Earth moves through a "halo" of dark matter surrounding the Milky Way.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2015/jan/12/new-calculations-support-dark-matter-discovery-by-dama-say-physicists
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Confirm this and so many of the other pieces fall into place :clapping
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Confirm this and so many of the other pieces fall into place :clapping
Such as?
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Only everything to do with the current model.
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Confirm this and so many of the other pieces fall into place :clapping
Such as?
Why Richmond can't win a premiership.
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Confirm this and so many of the other pieces fall into place :clapping
Such as?
dwaino's theory that Edwards is better than Cotchin.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AplG6KnOr2Q#t=91
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That is awesome
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One of the largest and most detailed images of the Andromeda galaxy ever created has been released by a team of researchers led by University of Washington professor Julianne Dalcanton.
The enormity of space is near-impossible to comprehend. This image, despite showing only a small portion of a single galaxy, shows more than 100 million stars - and there are more than 100 billion galaxies in the known universe.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-21/hubble-high-resolution-view-of-the-andromeda-galaxy/6027732
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Thanks Cyclops, another great link :cheers will need to share this one around. I try to explain to friends how big Andromeda would be in our sky if we could see it and I think this will be a better guide.
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Only everything to do with the current model.
Latest data on the Higgs has been released:
But the essence is that up to now "no significant deviations from the SM [Standard Model] predictions were found".
Finding no significant deviations sets the bar high for Run 2. We will have to be smarter as the LHC data pour in and push us beyond the amount of information available from Run 1. Both theorists and experimentalists will continue working together to find a small wrinkle in the so far smooth Higgs boson picture. That small wrinkle that may point the way out of the SM oasis, across the desert, and into BSM [Beyond Standard Model] physics. It's probably not a matter of "if" but a matter of "when", and therefore a matter of endurance and perseverance. Fifty years have passed since the seminal papers on the SM Higgs boson and today, and perhaps another 50 years may be needed to find what Nature has in stock beyond the Standard Model.
http://cylindricalonion.web.cern.ch/blog/201501/how-massive
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The first ever photograph of light as a particle and a wave
Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne
Public Release: 2-Mar-2015
(http://media.eurekalert.org/multimedia_prod/pub/web/87545_web.jpg)
IMAGE: Energy-space photography of light confined on a nanowire, simultaneously shows both spatial interference and energy quantization.
Read more at: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-03/epfd-tfe030115.php
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Cheers for the reminder. I gave this a quick scan on IFLS today when on lunch then got side tracked by a "looks white and gold to me" discussion about Mars actually appearing blue/grey under its paper thin red iron oxide surface ;D
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The Hubble telescope, now approaching it’s 25th birthday, has given astronomers an unusual four-dimensional view of an ancient dying star.
The supernova was, by chance, directly behind a dense cluster of huge galaxies designated MACS J1149+2223.
The cluster is more than 5 billion light years away. But the combined gravitational influence of these galaxies has had an influence on the even older light of a supernova behind them.
This light is being buckled, warped and focused as it passes through an intergalactic gravitational maze.
Such a sight has been expected. It has even been named: An “Einstein Cross”.
It’s a four-cornered arrangement of views of a single event.
Astronomers anticipate an unusual side effect: As a result of the twists and turns of space-time, we may eventually get to watch a re-run of the star’s death.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/technology/science/hubble-finds-a-four-cornered-view-of-an-ancient-dying-star/story-fnjwlbue-1227250574860
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Mars once had a sea larger than the Arctic ocean.
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/astronomy/mars-once-had-a-sea-larger-than-the-arctic-ocean-20150305-13wqrj.html
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There you go. Confirmation another planet had water (and most likely life). That's 2 out of 8 in the solar system.
Imagine what's going on in the billions and billions of other star systems!
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Water is really common, just it usually only exists in the frozen form. But judging by the mass extinction events on earth alone through history it proves one thing, that life is robust and stubborn. Even on earth we're finding life adapting to arsenic. Once it gets a foothold it will find some way to persist and sheer weight of numbers would suggest it is quite common. :cheers
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And that's how it was for the next ten nights. A flare, spurting out from Mars - bright
green, drawing a green mist behind it - a beautiful, but somehow disturbing sight. Ogilvy,
the astronomer, assured me we were in no danger. He was convinced there could be no
living thing on that remote, forbidding planet.
"The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one," he said.
"The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one - but still they come!
;D
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No! You're one of them- a devil!
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The first close up images of Pluto from the New Horizon spacecraft :thumbsup ...
http://www.wired.com/2015/07/nasa-teams-instagram-debut-pluto-surface-photo/
(https://igcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t51.2885-15/11311925_687877714680167_484233801_n.jpg)
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How good are they. Actually looking forward to some close ups of Charon and seeing what those bright spots are.
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Amazing
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This is cool
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In this day and age how could we not know exactly how big it was until yesterday??
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If we are wrong about how big Pluto is, until we send a space ship right up to it
How can we really ask the more grand questions like
1. Where did water come from?
2. How did life on earth start?
3. Is there a god?
4. Why does troy Chaplin turn like a boat
Etc.
When any certainty? Surely humanity is having a giggle
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Looks like Bent Judge is off his meds again.....
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:lol
I actually thought it was one his more sane posts.
It does actually raise questions about how accurate are these other claims about size weight age etc of celestial objects, galaxies and the universe
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It is still small. In fact smaller than our moon, and measurements weren't that bad for something over 7b km away that only shows as a few blurry pixels in the most powerful telescopes.
Next up, hopefully some more great new finds in the Kuiper belt.
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I know its small, dark, far away
But we can't even work oit how big it is till now. Yet we want to have confidence with theory in regards to pre big bang / multi universe ?
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Astrophysics is all just a conspiracy started by The Freemasons & Walt Disney.
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Walt is still frozen futrama-style
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I know its small, dark, far away
But we can't even work oit how big it is till now. Yet we want to have confidence with theory in regards to pre big bang / multi universe ?
The last sentence about the big bang theory etc ... has nothing to do with why Pluto had many unknowns.
It comes back to Kepler's Laws of planetary motion. The 3rd law relates the distance of a planet from the Sun to the time it takes to orbit the Sun. Likewise, a planet's mass is determined from its orbital radius (distance), period (time) and centripetal force using Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. As Pluto was only discovered 85 years ago yet it's period is approx. 248 years, a complete period of Pluto's orbit hadn't yet been observed to obtain precise measurements from here on Earth.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-do-scientists-measure/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler%27s_laws_of_planetary_motion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_of_universal_gravitation
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Not to mention its elliptical orbit which can throw a calculation.
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Not to mention its elliptical orbit which can throw a calculation.
True. The period is related to the semi-major axis of the elliptical orbit via Kepler's Laws.
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Not to mention its elliptical orbit which can throw a calculation.
Or its menstrual cycle.
No, no I'm not I'm not classically astro-trained or inclined. ;D
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:lol
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(http://www.defensetech.org/images/Space%20Jam.jpg)
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stephen-hawking-and-yuri-milner-announce-100m-initiative-to-seek-extraterrestrial-intelligence/
Good stuff. Even finding nothing is something. I would love us to find something and completely shift the existing paradigm.
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Add Pluto to the list of "alive" worlds.
“This world is alive,” Stern said of Pluto to a packed room at the University of Alberta. “It has weather, it has hazes in the atmosphere, active geology.”
Last week Nasa released its highest resolution photos yet of the dwarf planet and its largest moon, Charon, revealing new mysteries that its spacecraft New Horizons had uncovered at the edge of the solar system.
The space agency plans to unveil new data and images on Thursday. “Every week I am floored,” Stern said. “Nasa won’t let me tell you what we’re going to tell you on Thursday. It’s amazing.”
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/oct/06/pluto-charon-photos-nasa-new-horizons-data
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Disclosure
Slowly slowly
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Disclosure
Slowly slowly
Yep. Can't break people's world view in one big hit. Not smart enough to adapt to change that quickly.
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There's a star man, waiting in the sky......
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There's a star man, waiting in the sky......
There's a starman waiting in the sky
Hed like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
Hes told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie
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Ancient teeth rewriting human history
HUMAN teeth discovered in southern China provide evidence that our species left the African continent up to 70,000 years earlier than prevailing theories suggest, new published research finds.
Homo sapiens reached present-day China 80,000-120,000 years ago, according to the study, which could redraw the migration map for modern humans.
“The model that is generally accepted is that modern humans left Africa only 50,000 years ago,” said Maria Martinon-Torres, a researcher at University College London and a co-author of the study.
“In this case, we are saying the Homo sapiens were out of Africa much earlier,” she told the peer-reviewed journal Nature, which published the study.
Full article: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/science/ancient-human-teeth-discovered-in-china-could-rewrite-the-historic-migration-map-of-homo-sapiens/story-fnjwl5wq-1227573222217
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Massive implications for drug dealers everywhere....might even effect the Bennell trade...
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/the-kilogram-prototype-in-france-has-been-losing-weight-so-its-time-for-a-new-definition-20151016-gkbg9s.html
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When does 'known' recorded history go to? 4000bc? 3000bc?
They found a statue in russia, wooden, tall
With an unknown language/code on it
:thumbsup
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/n0376-shigir-idol-is-oldest-wooden-sculpture-monument-in-the-world-say-scientists/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3212829/World-s-oldest-wooden-statue-TWICE-old-pyramids-New-analysis-reveals-Shigir-Idol-ancient-thought.html
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Does the intense gravity of black holes twist time and space so much that the future gets turned on its head? Some mind-bending new ideas by US astrophysicists suggest so.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/science/do-black-holes-reverse-time/news-story/821943ebcc54c3fed700543f195d11fa
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When does 'known' recorded history go to? 4000bc? 3000bc?
They found a statue in russia, wooden, tall
With an unknown language/code on it
:thumbsup
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/n0376-shigir-idol-is-oldest-wooden-sculpture-monument-in-the-world-say-scientists/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3212829/World-s-oldest-wooden-statue-TWICE-old-pyramids-New-analysis-reveals-Shigir-Idol-ancient-thought.html
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/Shigir-Idol-602020.jpg)
i been debunking the alien code and it says "Sack Hardwick" :o
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debunking or decoding?
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shhh
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All five bright planets, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, align for the first time since 2005
Key points
* Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn appear in a straight line
* Celestial event continuing until February 20
* Best viewing time between 5:30am and 6:30am each morning
* Planets will not align again until 2018
The order of the planets will not be the same as their order from the Sun.
Starting from the eastern horizon, Mercury (1) and Venus (2) will appear in order, then Saturn (6) followed by reddish Mars (4), with the solar system's largest planet, Jupiter (5) the last one in line.
The line formed by the planets closely follows the path of the sun across the sky, a line called the ecliptic, Dr Hill explained.
"This path marks the plane of our solar system, visual proof that the planets, including Earth, all orbit the Sun on roughly the same plane," she said.
To help in identifying the planets, Dr Hill said the Moon will travel past each one in turn, beginning with Jupiter on January 28 and ending with Mercury on February 7.
The Moon will pass by Mars on February 1 and 2, Saturn on February 4 and Venus on February 6.
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/7099468-3x2-700x467.jpg)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-19/five-bright-planets-to-align/7099376
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Astronomers say a Neptune-sized planet lurks beyond Pluto
By Eric Hand
Science
Jan. 20, 2016
The solar system appears to have a new ninth planet. Today, two scientists announced evidence that a body nearly the size of Neptune—but as yet unseen—orbits the sun every 15,000 years. During the solar system’s infancy 4.5 billion years ago, they say, the giant planet was knocked out of the planet-forming region near the sun. Slowed down by gas, the planet settled into a distant elliptical orbit, where it still lurks today.
Read more: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/feature-astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-unseen-solar-system
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Us gov. Tells citizens it's ok to wash kids in water with high levels of lead
http://m.imgur.com/rK16PSz
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Moon born out of planet collision
A HEAD-ON collision between a young Earth and a “planetary embryo” called Theia spawned our moon about 4.5 billion years ago — contradicting the long-held theory of a glancing blow, according to a new study.
Theia struck our planet when it was 100 million years old, but scientists have been divided on the nature of the impact and how much debris was exchanged between the two bodies, according to space.com.
Evidence now suggests that the debris that eventually formed Earth and our lunar neighbour was thoroughly mixed before they separated.
“The collision that formed the moon was a high-energy impact,” said the study’s lead author, Edward Young, a cosmochemist and geochemist at UCLA.
Previously, scientists believed Theia hit Earth at a side-swipe angle of 45 degrees or more. But in that scenario, the moon’s chemical composition would be markedly different from Earth’s.
But after studying moon rocks brought back to Earth by astronauts in the Apollo 12, 15 and 17 missions, as well as six volcanic rocks from the Earth’s mantle, the researchers discovered that the lunar isotopes were identical to Earth’s.
“We don’t see any difference between the Earth’s and the moon’s oxygen isotopes — they’re indistinguishable,” Young said.
The new findings dispute a 2014 report by German scientists in Science that the moon’s ratio of oxygen isotopes is different from Earth’s.
“Theia was thoroughly mixed into both the Earth and the moon, and evenly dispersed between them,” Young said. “This explains why we don’t see a different signature of Theia in the moon versus the Earth.”
The Mars-sized Theia, which did not survive the cataclysmic collision, likely would have become a planet had the fateful collision not occurred, he added.
The new research was published Friday in the journal Science.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/351/6272/493
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/science/a-headon-collision-created-the-moon/news-story/4e636c38c1c70403c842acb32c817d2a
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http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/albert-einstein-was-right--100-years-on-20160211-gmr9ja.html
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Alzheimer’s may be caused by haywire immune system eating brain connections.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/over-pruning-synapses-may-drive-early-stage-alzheimer-s-disease
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/scientists-find-neural-link-to-alzheimers/news-story/e386cd0dd2e2369bbc5cc01cb588a7e1
This would be a major breakthrough if they are right. Hopefully, it is, to finally find something to fight and even prevent this hideous cruel disease.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/antibiotics-will-soon-stop-working-and-make-chemotherapy-too-dangerous-to-be-performed-major-report-a7036776.html
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a21023/neanderthals-built-mystery-cave-rings-175000-years-ago/
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Moon born out of planet collision
A HEAD-ON collision between a young Earth and a “planetary embryo” called Theia spawned our moon about 4.5 billion years ago — contradicting the long-held theory of a glancing blow, according to a new study.
Theia struck our planet when it was 100 million years old, but scientists have been divided on the nature of the impact and how much debris was exchanged between the two bodies, according to space.com.
Evidence now suggests that the debris that eventually formed Earth and our lunar neighbour was thoroughly mixed before they separated.
“The collision that formed the moon was a high-energy impact,” said the study’s lead author, Edward Young, a cosmochemist and geochemist at UCLA.
Previously, scientists believed Theia hit Earth at a side-swipe angle of 45 degrees or more. But in that scenario, the moon’s chemical composition would be markedly different from Earth’s.
But after studying moon rocks brought back to Earth by astronauts in the Apollo 12, 15 and 17 missions, as well as six volcanic rocks from the Earth’s mantle, the researchers discovered that the lunar isotopes were identical to Earth’s.
“We don’t see any difference between the Earth’s and the moon’s oxygen isotopes — they’re indistinguishable,” Young said.
The new findings dispute a 2014 report by German scientists in Science that the moon’s ratio of oxygen isotopes is different from Earth’s.
“Theia was thoroughly mixed into both the Earth and the moon, and evenly dispersed between them,” Young said. “This explains why we don’t see a different signature of Theia in the moon versus the Earth.”
The Mars-sized Theia, which did not survive the cataclysmic collision, likely would have become a planet had the fateful collision not occurred, he added.
The new research was published Friday in the journal Science.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/351/6272/493
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/science/a-headon-collision-created-the-moon/news-story/4e636c38c1c70403c842acb32c817d2a
science fiction
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No, it's a scientific theory, science fiction is things like Star Wars & Star Trek, Bladerunner, Godzilla, websites that Stalin reads or your footy career....
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http://www.ancient-code.com/video-will-blow-mind-7000-year-old-reptilian-statues-discovered-mesopotamia/
Stick that in ya pipe
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Well, you sure showed me.....looks totally legit...
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(http://api.ning.com/files/ouM2YZMqtt-hyh1XVGg8umRuzkdkaQ4UCiqPpqMZII5OplJ2rjXDVf-QpQy6Q9CKM5rKCQQZ5F9RtSX8yj4JD4Gfd-MHMTn7/sobek.jpg)
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(http://www.messagetoeagle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/reptilianhumanoids1.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-50fO4cr5cXw/UmEIyaAUSuI/AAAAAAAAHOg/2MV1t_j_i6U/s1600/Reptilians+on+Earth.jpg)
:shh
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Well I'm convinced.... especially liked those photos of the figurines levitating on the display stands....
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looks totally legit...
as you well versed in ancient statues ?
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(http://40.media.tumblr.com/adb4bfc1841d615e548806b06a5df0a2/tumblr_nk07kajtWq1tsb54ho1_250.jpg)
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Bent Judge thought this was a documentary:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e8/c2/95/e8c29553f14455b5e8f80e480da6d8ef.jpg)
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(https://vixxyp.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/img_1075.jpg?w=300&h=225)
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:lol
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What bout that one brains trust
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/avionescol02_09.jpg)
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Did that come with your Happy Meal or or did you find it in a Kinder Surprise?
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Yep that ones fake too ...
Looks like a plane huh , kind of begs the question what were these geezers playing at
The Hindu religious books have stories of air / plane / battles :shh
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A weaned harbor seal pup was resting onshore when an untagged male sea otter approached it, grasped it with its teeth and forepaws, bit it on the nose, and flipped it over. The harbor seal moved toward the water with the sea otter following closely. Once in the water, the sea otter gripped the harbor seal’s head with its forepaws and repeatedly bit it on the nose, causing a deep laceration. The sea otter and pup rolled violently in the water for approximately 15 min, while the pup struggled to free itself from the sea otter’s grasp. Finally, the sea otter positioned itself dorsal to the pup’s smaller body while grasping it by the head and holding it underwater in a position typical of mating sea otters. As the sea otter thrust his pelvis, his penis was extruded and intromission was observed. At 105 min into the encounter, the sea otter released the pup, now dead, and began grooming.
http://www.seeker.com/the-other-side-of-otters-1765194766.html#news.discovery.com
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Juncker’s speech was given on June 28 at an emergency meeting in Brussels by the European Parliament. Here is what he said in French along with the English translation:
“Il faut savoir que ceux qui nous observent de loin sont très inquiets. J’ai vu et entendu et écouté plusieurs des dirigeants d’autres planètes qui sont très inquiets puisqu’ils s’interrogent sur la voie que l’union européenne va poursuivre. Et donc, if faut rassurer, et les européens, et ceux qui nous observent de plus… loin.”
“It should be known that those who observe us from afar are very worried. I met and heard and listened to several of the leaders from other planets who are very concerned because they question the path the European Union will engage on. And so, a soothing is needed for both the Europeans and those who observe us from … farther away.”
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The official transcript released by the European Commission has been edited to remove the reference to “leaders from other planets”. The transcript now reads:
J’ai vu et entendu et écouté plusieurs des dirigeants. Ils sont très inquiets ….
“I saw and heard and listened to several executives. They are very worried …”
Yet, when one listens to an audio loop of what Junker’s actually said, he very clearly includes the phrase “dirigeants d’autres planets,” which translates as “leaders of other planets,” as pointed out by native French speakers discussing Junckers speech, and also by Google Translate.
http://exopolitics.org/european-commission-president-says-he-spoke-to-leaders-of-other-planets-about-brexit/
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http://qz.com/722614/a-civil-servant-missing-most-of-his-brain-challenges-our-most-basic-theories-of-consciousness/
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Lol alot of closed minds on this thread.
Are you lot scared of the unknown beyond your own world views?
Why the all straight up dismissive posts?
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(https://66.media.tumblr.com/7de03ea64458f41181b876cdaf978418/tumblr_n8exog2ozZ1tfnmdno1_500.jpg)
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What bout that one brains trust
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/avionescol02_09.jpg)
And....
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/tNikBAhunqA/mqdefault.jpg)
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Fake
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Lol alot of closed minds on this thread.
Are you lot scared of the unknown beyond your own world views?
Why the all straight up dismissive posts?
"The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid. Otherwise it is more akin to a sewer, taking in all things equally."
— G.K. Chesterton
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Lol alot of closed minds on this thread.
Are you lot scared of the unknown beyond your own world views?
Why the all straight up dismissive posts?
"The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid. Otherwise it is more akin to a sewer, taking in all things equally."
— G.K. Chesterton
"Follow your heart and believe in your word view. The pyramids were just an early Kmart. The earth is the centre of the universe, is probably flat and of all the trillions of stars and multi- trillions of planets, we are if not the only life form, most certainly the most important and intelligent, despite not having the slightest if evidence or sample to suggest otherwise"
- Some guy on some unimportant planet in the middle of nowhere, half a chromosome away from a chimpanzee.
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Lol alot of closed minds on this thread.
Are you lot scared of the unknown beyond your own world views?
Why the all straight up dismissive posts?
"The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid. Otherwise it is more akin to a sewer, taking in all things equally."
— G.K. Chesterton
Something solid like... The CEO of lockheed martin skunk works division ?
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/7de03ea64458f41181b876cdaf978418/tumblr_n8exog2ozZ1tfnmdno1_500.jpg)
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Yeah....solid.....
So you & Dooks bought your David Icke tickets yet?
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Na but id read the book/s ...
I prefer to get infomation of such matters from heads of military-industrial complex as above, astronauts, presidents, nuclear weapon controlling generals...
Yet you are eloquent too however
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Yeah....solid.....
So you & Dooks bought your David Icke tickets yet?
The difference is, some people are able to generally distinguish the difference between fraudsters/rubbish, and genuine plausibility based on evidence.
Others have an auto-reaction that anything that falls outside their world view is "crazyness". This is a cultural response which has been estalblished by the government and media since the second world war when alot of poo started to go down and disinformation and discrediting was spread. A stigma developed around anything related to UFOs, and other non-mainstream topics. Those who think like this dont even understand why.
Interestingly this only exists in western nations which generally speak english. Asian, south american and many european nations accept such matters as open for debate.
Ill take the word of astronauts, former presidents etc etc over the brainwashed nobodies on the street.
Think for yourselves people.
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Dioc mate icke on the Australia today show today...
Without wanting to get too dark - funny not many acknowledge he was close to right about high level international kiddie fiddler rings eh
Bookmakers William Hill have slashed the odds of a UK prime minister or US president announcing that aliens are visiting earth from 1000/1 to just 25/1.
Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/10/bookies-have-slashed-the-odds-on-a-world-leader-revealing-the-truth-about-aliens-before-the-end-of-2016-5997534/#ixzz4EQSDaEYr
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http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.117.060504
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-we-living-in-a-computer-simulation/
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THIS IS FROM CORNEL UNIVERSITY LIBRARY:
arxiv.org...
Spectral Variations of the Sky: Constraints on Alternate Universes
R. Chary
(Submitted on 1 Oct 2015 (v1), last revised 1 Dec 2015 (this version, v2))
The fine tuning of parameters required to reproduce our present day Universe suggests that our Universe may simply be a region within an eternally inflating super-region. Many other regions beyond our observable Universe would exist with each such region governed by a different set of physical parameters. Collision between these regions, if they occur, should leave signatures of anisotropy in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) but have not been seen. We analyze the spectral properties of masked, foreground-cleaned maps between 100 and 545 GHz constructed from the Planck dataset. Four distinct $sim2-4arcdeg$ regions associated with CMB cold spots show anomalously strong 143 GHz emission but no correspondingly strong emission at either 100 or 217 GHz. The signal to noise of this 143 GHz residual emission is at the ≳6σ level which reduces to 3.2−5.4σ after subtraction of remaining synchrotron/free-free foregrounds. We assess different mechanisms for this residual emission and conclude that although there is a 30% probability that noise fluctuations may cause foregrounds to fall within 3σ of the excess, there is less than a 0.5% probability that foregrounds can explain all the excess. A plausible explanation is that the collision of our Universe with an alternate Universe whose baryon to photon ratio is a factor of ∼4500 larger than ours, could produce enhanced Hydrogen Paschen-series emission at the epoch of recombination. Future spectral mapping and deeper observations at 100 and 217 GHz are needed to mitigate systematics arising from unknown Galactic foregrounds and to confirm this unusual hypothesis.
www.blastr.com...:+Trending+Content&utm_c ontent=57a4478304d3017e85bed56b&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
he concept of a parallel universe is well-trodden territory in science fiction (See: The CW’s Flash for a recent example), but scientists might’ve just spotted some legitimate proof of the multiverse — and it looks like it’s leaking into ours.
As Inverse reports, the Planck telescope has been mapping the cosmic microwave background (CMB) leftover from the early days of the universe. Turns out, it might’ve found something of cosmic importance. Caltech cosmologist Ranga-Ram Chary compared the CMB map with a shot of the night sky captured by the Planck telescope. The effort spotted a patch of light 4,500 times brighter than it should be.
His paper posits it could be proof of another universe literally “bumping” into our own, as this collision would look very different than anything we’ve seen before. Something 4,500 times brighter in CMB than it should be? Yeah, that seems to fit the bill. If true, it would mean this universe bumped into ours just a few hundred thousand years after the Big Bang. It’s also possible that insane brightness could be bleeding over from a universe packed with electrons and protons, which could account for some of the energy.
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For the semi intelligent primate there are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. We can barely go to the moon let alone know what's out there. Like taking one step from your front door and saying I've explored the world.
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For the semi intelligent primate there are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. We can barely go to the moon let alone know what's out there. Like taking one step from your front door and saying I've explored the world.
So true.
Just went to Brian Cox's cosmology/astrophysics lecture recently and it blew my mind.
Admittedly he lost me in the second half, but he essentially surmised with good evidence that the weight of the universe is 5 (electrons or neutrons I forget) per cubic meter and the universe itself is FLAT - and that even when we look up or down the thin vertical side we still can't see anywhere near the edges which is amazing. Similar to looking left and right and presuming that the earth is flat because you can't contextualise the curvature of the surface. The universe is also expanding at an accelerating rate.
Consider this:
- The Milky Way consists of some 200 billion stars, of which 20 million could very well have habitable earth-like planets.
- The nearest neighbouring galaxy, Andromeda, consists of anywhere from 450 billion to one trillion stars.
- There are 170 billion observable galaxies that we can visualise from our place in the universe using our most powerful telescopes.
We really are nothing at the end of the day...
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And to think a grain of sand has 50 trillion atoms. This kind of stuff blows your mind.
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And to think a grain of sand has 50 trillion atoms. This kind of stuff blows your mind.
Absolutely.
Cox also spoke about the evidence behind the big bang and what occurred before it, exactly where it happened and what the universe looked like before the big bang. Amazing stuff.
IMO there's no way in hell we're the only intelligent life form in the universe - to suggest such is ridiculous as it is so improbable.
Really hope I live to see the day mankind starts to populate the solar system at least - Mars and the moon.
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For the semi intelligent primate there are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. We can barely go to the moon let alone know what's out there. Like taking one step from your front door and saying I've explored the world.
So true.
Just went to Brian Cox's cosmology/astrophysics lecture recently and it blew my mind.
Admittedly he lost me in the second half, but he essentially surmised with good evidence that the weight of the universe is 5 (electrons or neutrons I forget) per cubic meter and the universe itself is FLAT - and that even when we look up or down the thin vertical side we still can't see anywhere near the edges which is amazing. Similar to looking left and right and presuming that the earth is flat because you can't contextualise the curvature of the surface. The universe is also expanding at an accelerating rate.
Consider this:
- The Milky Way consists of some 200 billion stars, of which 20 million could very well have habitable earth-like planets.
- The nearest neighbouring galaxy, Andromeda, consists of anywhere from 450 billion to one trillion stars.
- There are 170 billion observable galaxies that we can visualise from our place in the universe using our most powerful telescopes.
We really are nothing at the end of the day...
Incredible isnt it. The closest star to us is Alpha centauri 4.24 light years away. We launched voyager 1 in 1977, due to using gravitational sling shotting of saturn or jupitor it is currently travelling at 62,000 km/h or 17km per second, the fastest speed of any spacecraft. Its now just passed out of our solar system and has travelled the equivalent of 17 light hours in 39 years. If it was going to alpha Centauri, it would get there in about 80,000 years.
Now if we could reach the speeds of Hellios 2 which orbited the sun (it reached a max speed of 240,000km/r using the suns incredible gravitational pull) it would cut down travel time to 19,000 years.
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For the semi intelligent primate there are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. We can barely go to the moon let alone know what's out there. Like taking one step from your front door and saying I've explored the world.
So true.
Just went to Brian Cox's cosmology/astrophysics lecture recently and it blew my mind.
Admittedly he lost me in the second half, but he essentially surmised with good evidence that the weight of the universe is 5 (electrons or neutrons I forget) per cubic meter and the universe itself is FLAT - and that even when we look up or down the thin vertical side we still can't see anywhere near the edges which is amazing. Similar to looking left and right and presuming that the earth is flat because you can't contextualise the curvature of the surface. The universe is also expanding at an accelerating rate.
Consider this:
- The Milky Way consists of some 200 billion stars, of which 20 million could very well have habitable earth-like planets.
- The nearest neighbouring galaxy, Andromeda, consists of anywhere from 450 billion to one trillion stars.
- There are 170 billion observable galaxies that we can visualise from our place in the universe using our most powerful telescopes.
We really are nothing at the end of the day...
Incredible isnt it. The closest star to us is Alpha centauri 4.24 light years away. We launched voyager 1 in 1977, due to using gravitational sling shotting of saturn or jupitor it is currently travelling at 62,000 km/h or 17km per second, the fastest speed of any spacecraft. Its now just passed out of our solar system and has travelled the equivalent of 17 light hours in 39 years. If it was going to alpha Centauri, it would get there in about 80,000 years.
Now if we could reach the speeds of Hellios 2 which orbited the sun (it reached a max speed of 240,000km/r using the suns incredible gravitational pull) it would cut down travel time to 19,000 years.
The thing with most stars and planetary systems is they predominantly form within 0.5 light years of each other. Earth and our sun is 9x this from the next neighbour.
Without believing any conspiracy theories, there are plans in place which could reach Alpha Centauri in 20 years.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/100-million-plan-will-send-probes-to-the-nearest-star1/
Now imagine what will be capable in another 40 years. Extrapolate it out. 17000 to 20 years over 40 years tech development and in another 40 years it will be just 8.6 days!!!!
Impossible distances are becoming possible.
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For the semi intelligent primate there are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. We can barely go to the moon let alone know what's out there. Like taking one step from your front door and saying I've explored the world.
So true.
Just went to Brian Cox's cosmology/astrophysics lecture recently and it blew my mind.
Admittedly he lost me in the second half, but he essentially surmised with good evidence that the weight of the universe is 5 (electrons or neutrons I forget) per cubic meter and the universe itself is FLAT - and that even when we look up or down the thin vertical side we still can't see anywhere near the edges which is amazing. Similar to looking left and right and presuming that the earth is flat because you can't contextualise the curvature of the surface. The universe is also expanding at an accelerating rate.
Consider this:
- The Milky Way consists of some 200 billion stars, of which 20 million could very well have habitable earth-like planets.
- The nearest neighbouring galaxy, Andromeda, consists of anywhere from 450 billion to one trillion stars.
- There are 170 billion observable galaxies that we can visualise from our place in the universe using our most powerful telescopes.
We really are nothing at the end of the day...
Incredible isnt it. The closest star to us is Alpha centauri 4.24 light years away. We launched voyager 1 in 1977, due to using gravitational sling shotting of saturn or jupitor it is currently travelling at 62,000 km/h or 17km per second, the fastest speed of any spacecraft. Its now just passed out of our solar system and has travelled the equivalent of 17 light hours in 39 years. If it was going to alpha Centauri, it would get there in about 80,000 years.
Now if we could reach the speeds of Hellios 2 which orbited the sun (it reached a max speed of 240,000km/r using the suns incredible gravitational pull) it would cut down travel time to 19,000 years.
The thing with most stars and planetary systems is they predominantly form within 0.5 light years of each other. Earth and our sun is 9x this from the next neighbour.
Without believing any conspiracy theories, there are plans in place which could reach Alpha Centauri in 20 years.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/100-million-plan-will-send-probes-to-the-nearest-star1/
Now imagine what will be capable in another 40 years. Extrapolate it out. 17000 to 20 years over 40 years tech development and in another 40 years it will be just 8.6 days!!!!
Impossible distances are becoming possible.
Exciting stuff.
I think anything is possible. I remember when the internet was invented. Bill Gates once claimed nobody would ever need more than 637kb of memory (about 1997?). Heck we even landed men on the moon with computer power rivaling that of the average desk calculator. Look at where the world is now and how fast we are developing.
Definitely possible in my lifetime I hope!
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For the semi intelligent primate there are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. We can barely go to the moon let alone know what's out there. Like taking one step from your front door and saying I've explored the world.
So true.
Just went to Brian Cox's cosmology/astrophysics lecture recently and it blew my mind.
Admittedly he lost me in the second half, but he essentially surmised with good evidence that the weight of the universe is 5 (electrons or neutrons I forget) per cubic meter and the universe itself is FLAT - and that even when we look up or down the thin vertical side we still can't see anywhere near the edges which is amazing. Similar to looking left and right and presuming that the earth is flat because you can't contextualise the curvature of the surface. The universe is also expanding at an accelerating rate.
Consider this:
- The Milky Way consists of some 200 billion stars, of which 20 million could very well have habitable earth-like planets.
- The nearest neighbouring galaxy, Andromeda, consists of anywhere from 450 billion to one trillion stars.
- There are 170 billion observable galaxies that we can visualise from our place in the universe using our most powerful telescopes.
We really are nothing at the end of the day...
Incredible isnt it. The closest star to us is Alpha centauri 4.24 light years away. We launched voyager 1 in 1977, due to using gravitational sling shotting of saturn or jupitor it is currently travelling at 62,000 km/h or 17km per second, the fastest speed of any spacecraft. Its now just passed out of our solar system and has travelled the equivalent of 17 light hours in 39 years. If it was going to alpha Centauri, it would get there in about 80,000 years.
Now if we could reach the speeds of Hellios 2 which orbited the sun (it reached a max speed of 240,000km/r using the suns incredible gravitational pull) it would cut down travel time to 19,000 years.
The thing with most stars and planetary systems is they predominantly form within 0.5 light years of each other. Earth and our sun is 9x this from the next neighbour.
Without believing any conspiracy theories, there are plans in place which could reach Alpha Centauri in 20 years.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/100-million-plan-will-send-probes-to-the-nearest-star1/
Now imagine what will be capable in another 40 years. Extrapolate it out. 17000 to 20 years over 40 years tech development and in another 40 years it will be just 8.6 days!!!!
Impossible distances are becoming possible.
Exciting stuff.
I think anything is possible. I remember when the internet was invented. Bill Gates once claimed nobody would ever need more than 637kb of memory (about 1997?). Heck we even landed men on the moon with computer power rivaling that of the average desk calculator. Look at where the world is now and how fast we are developing.
Definitely possible in my lifetime I hope!
:cheers
Almost 10 years ago I walked into my workplace with an IPhone 2 pre-release. I practically got burnt at the stake for sourcery as my work colleagues eyes couldn't process what they were looking at. More so, I had more memory in my hand than the entire computing system of the department.
Now. if you really want to get funky I can pm you some info.
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PM away
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The thing i don't understand is how we can see some galaxies that are 13b light years away. If the light started travelling 13b light years ago, this would have been at the time of the big bang. How can that light reach us now? And also wouldn't this be the big bang itself or the very early stages of the universe itself? And this would only occur if we were travelling faster than the speed of light away from the big bang then slowed down to allow the light to reach us. Also those galaxies wouldn’t have existed then. My brain hurts.
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I think the Big Bang is seen as 'wrong', now, by the leading minds
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Our mere existence is theoretical.
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Our mere existence is theoretical.
That's pretty deep dude
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http://www.iflscience.com/physics/quantum-equations-dispute-big-bang/
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Could be true,
http://www.gizhub.com/physicist-discovers-reality-just-may-computer-simulation
http://wakingscience.com/2016/07/2003/
Computer code was found in string theory apparently
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Our mere existence is theoretical.
That's pretty deep dude
It's just a theory.
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Our mere existence is theoretical.
That's pretty deep dude
It's just a theory.
Maths too ...
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There is no reality only our perception of it.
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The thing i don't understand is how we can see some galaxies that are 13b light years away. If the light started travelling 13b light years ago, this would have been at the time of the big bang. How can that light reach us now? And also wouldn't this be the big bang itself or the very early stages of the universe itself? And this would only occur if we were travelling faster than the speed of light away from the big bang then slowed down to allow the light to reach us. Also those galaxies wouldn’t have existed then. My brain hurts.
Tests of Big Bang: Cosmic microwave background radiation.
The Big Bang theory predicts that the early universe was a very hot place and that as it expands, the gas within it cools. Thus the universe should be filled with radiation that is literally the remnant heat left over from the Big Bang, called the “cosmic microwave background", or CMB.
Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background
The evidence that the universe is expanding comes from the red shift of light. As the light from another galaxy gets closer to Earth, the distance between Earth and the galaxy increases, which causes the wavelength of that light to get longer.
I think the Big Bang is seen as 'wrong', now, by the leading minds
You think wrong.
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So MT what this is saying is the galaxy is projected to be 13b light years away from us now based on the red shift we see. The light thats hitting us now is from the position of the galaxy say 7b years ago but during that time the galaxy would have drifted out and is now most likely 13b light years away. But we can't say for certain as that galaxy could now have disappeared or swallowed by a black hole or have merged with a different galaxy. What is out there could be different to what we see. we see the galaxy that was xbillion light years away xbillion years ago.
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isnt the universe continually expanding at an exponential rate?
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Didn't they recently find it was expanding faster than thought?
Which freak them out
And put a few solid theories under question marks
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-s-hubble-finds-universe-is-expanding-faster-than-expected
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Didn't they recently find it was expanding faster than thought?
Which freak them out
And put a few solid theories under question marks
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-s-hubble-finds-universe-is-expanding-faster-than-expected
:yep
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A good read about sending probes to our nearest star. Click on the link for the full article, have only copy and pasted part of it
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/100-million-plan-will-send-probes-to-the-nearest-star1/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/100-million-plan-will-send-probes-to-the-nearest-star1/)
$100-Million Plan Will Send Probes to the Nearest Star
Funded by Russian entrepreneur Yuri Milner and with the blessing of Stephen Hawking, Breakthrough Starshot aims to send probes to Alpha Centauri in a generation
For Yuri Milner, the Russian Internet entrepreneur and billionaire philanthropist who funds the world’s richest science prizes and searches for extraterrestrial intelligence, the sky is not the limit—and neither is the solar system. Flanked by physicist Stephen Hawking and other high-profile supporters today in New York, Milner announced his most ambitious investment yet: $100 million toward a research program to send robotic probes to nearby stars within a generation.
“The human story is one of great leaps,” Milner said in a statement released shortly before the announcement. “55 years ago today, Yuri Gagarin became the first human in space. Today, we are preparing for the next great leap—to the stars.”
“Breakthrough Starshot,” the program Milner is backing, intends to squeeze all the key components of a robotic probe—cameras, sensors, maneuvering thrusters and communications equipment—into tiny gram-scale “nanocraft.” These would be small enough to boost to enormous speeds using other technology the program plans to help develop, including a ground-based kilometer-scale laser array capable of beaming 100-gigawatt laser pulses through the atmosphere for a few minutes at a time, and atoms-thin, meter-wide “light sails” to ride those beams to other stars. Each pinging photon of light would impart a slight momentum to the sail and its cargo; in the microgravity vacuum of space, the torrent of photons unleashed by a gigawatt-class laser would rapidly push a nanocraft to relativistic speeds.
"Without new methods of propulsion we simply cannot get very far," Hawking said at the announcement. "Light is the most pragmatic technology available."
Deployed by the thousands from a mothership launched into Earth orbit, each nanocraft would unfurl a sail and catch a laser pulse to accelerate to 20 percent the speed of light—some 60,000 kilometers per second. Using a sophisticated adaptive-optics system of deformable mirrors to keep each pulse coherent and sharp against the blurring effects of the atmosphere, the laser array would boost perhaps one orbiting nanocraft per day. Each laser pulse would contain as much power as that produced by a space shuttle rocketing into orbit.
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Quantum physics - when observed by a camera an electron acted like a particle in the double split experiment but then acted like a wave when not observed. How does observing something change the way it acts?
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Things can be in two places at once too
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Things can be in two places at once too
Parallel universe
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Things can be in two places at once too
Parallel universe
Quantum physics
Things can be two places at once
These two physicists got the Prize for doing experiments once thought to be impossible, i.e. studying single atoms and single photons (particles of light). They proved the correctness of the bizarre properties of quantum mechanics, i.e. that electrons can be two places at the same time.
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Yeah could explain a few things.
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Quantum physics - when observed by a camera an electron acted like a particle in the double split experiment but then acted like a wave when not observed. How does observing something change the way it acts?
how can you know what something is doing if you dont observe it?
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If you hide behind a tree and they can't see you it doesn't count.....that's how we ended up with Conca, only plays well when he thinks no-one is watching....which is often the case in the WAFL....
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Quantum physics - when observed by a camera an electron acted like a particle in the double split experiment but then acted like a wave when not observed. How does observing something change the way it acts?
how can you know what something is doing if you dont observe it?
Good question
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If you hide behind a tree and they can't see you it doesn't count.....that's how we ended up with Conca, only plays well when he thinks no-one is watching....which is often the case in the WAFL....
lol
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/technology/earth-like-planet-proxima-centauri-1.3733882
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What? Our suns gonna die in 5 billion years? How come they've been hiding this from us all this time? WTF we gonna do?
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What? Our suns gonna die in 5 billion years? How come they've been hiding this from us all this time? WTF we gonna do?
Tis and twas always the case
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What? Our suns gonna die in 5 billion years? How come they've been hiding this from us all this time? WTF we gonna do?
Tis and twas always the case
Ta. Would explain why bransen wants a rocket ship.
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www.sciencealert.com/the-impossible-em-drive-is-about-to-be-tested-in-space
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For mass production soon.....
http://futurism.com/videos/coming-soon-hologram-calls/
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http://futurism.com/first-ever-discovery-complex-organic-molecules-found-on-rosettas-comet/
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The theory of plate tectonics. Ideas such as continental drift were propsed over 100yrs ago, but plate tectonics as we know it today comes from the 1960s. :o
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Two separate teams of scientists have taken quantum teleportation from the lab into the real world.
Researchers working in Calgary, Canada and Hefei, China, used existing fiber optics networks to transmit small units of information across cities via quantum entanglement — Einstein’s “spooky action at a distance.”
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2016/09/19/quantum-teleportation-enters-real-world/#.V-D7Ytkayc2
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http://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-s-holding-a-press-conference-about-surprising-activity-on-europa-on-monday
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https://vault.fbi.gov/nikola-tesla
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What? Our suns gonna die in 5 billion years? How come they've been hiding this from us all this time? WTF we gonna do?
Rest easy, if we are still around in 1 million years we would have replaced it with shiny new one.
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http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/australian-scientists-just-froze-light-like-kylo-ren-from-star-wars-20160927-grp97f.html
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http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/mysterious-fast-radio-bursts-tracked-back-to-galaxy-25-billion-light-years-away-20170104-gtm3wn.html
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Planet 9.
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2017-259
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/science/nasa-admits-the-mysterious-planet-nine-is-real-but-says-deadly-nibiru-is-a-fraud/news-story/5037076a579e7e5c642396d307b6aeee
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https://nasa.tumblr.com/post/168542791629/researchers-just-found-for-the-first-time-an-8th
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/6310f2424c919a5d5d46dab6400bef00/tumblr_inline_p0wvrktWYw1tzhl5u_1280.jpg)
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/3a4ab22d26c595ccd7742ac716612d40/tumblr_inline_p0yg86Ih0M1tzhl5u_1280.gif)
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What? Our suns gonna die in 5 billion years? How come they've been hiding this from us all this time? WTF we gonna do?
Where did Dr Harry go?
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Black hole: Event Horizon Telescope to see first ever image
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/science/radio-telescopes-combine-data-to-capture-firstever-image-of-a-supermassive-black-hole/news-story/d9c2cb732eea80fb381f0cfb055bf106
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Space X Falcon Heavy launch pulls of successful test flight.
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/2c481bd1ed15bd9979caf19c818deedf?width=1024)
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/95d24869e27e632f1a895d2e288ad5bf?width=1024)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/science/space-xs-pulls-of-successful-test-flight-of-worlds-most-powerful-rocket/news-story/90ca2d0f3d753ad03be0075d55539480
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In a paper (link is external) published today in the European Physical Journal C, the ATLAS Collaboration reports the first high-precision measurement at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) of the mass of the W boson.
This is one of two elementary particles that mediate the weak interaction – one of the forces that govern the behaviour of matter in our universe.
The reported result gives a value of 80370±19 MeV for the W mass, which is consistent with the expectation from the Standard Model of Particle Physics, the theory that describes known particles and their interactions.
https://home.cern/about/updates/2018/02/first-high-precision-lhc-measurement-w-boson-mass
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https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/professor-stephen-hawking-has-died-aged-76-20180314-p4z4c4.html
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https://twitter.com/NASA
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds-oxhaWoAEtzz9.jpg)
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The sounds of Mars.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/science/gentle-roaring-winds-recording-shows-what-it-sounds-like-mars/news-story/7a440db816c9934aa57fbd263d68a2cd
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"I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon"
(https://s.w-x.co/util/image/w/13newchinamoon.jpg?v=at&w=1280&h=720)
https://weather.com/science/space/video/china-releases-pictures-from-moons-far-side
"There is no dark side of the Moon really. Matter of fact, it's all dark!"
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Science joke.
A physicist sees a man standing on a ledge ready to jump. He shouts out "Stop!!!!! You have so much potential!!!!"
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What is the difference between an ohm and a coulomb?
(http://jupiterscientific.org/sciinfo/jokes/ohmcoulomb.jpg)
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SpaceX’s new Dragon capsule has successfully docked on the International Space Station on Sunday.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a90d3b774204506a6aae2bbc4b5daf1b?width=1024)
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/science/hard-capture-is-complete-spacex-capsule-docks-with-international-space-station/news-story/570efb7ec61650520a5ccef2732229db
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Landmark report blows popular anti-vaxxer myth out of the water.
A major new study has revealed no link between autism and the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/landmark-report-blows-popular-antivaxxer-myth-out-of-the-water/news-story/f3a250ce63d1ba42933c07227fb2e0e7.
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Just to debunk the anti vaxxers.......
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/landmark-report-blows-popular-antivaxxer-myth-out-of-the-water/news-story/f3a250ce63d1ba42933c07227fb2e0e7
:clapping
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A black hole and its shadow have been captured in an image for the first time, a historic feat by an international network of radio telescopes called the Event Horizon Telescope (EHT). EHT is an international collaboration whose support in the U.S. includes the National Science Foundation.
Using the Event Horizon Telescope, scientists obtained an image of the black hole at the center of galaxy M87, outlined by emission from hot gas swirling around it under the influence of strong gravity near its event horizon.
A black hole is an extremely dense object from which no light can escape. Anything that comes within a black hole’s “event horizon,” its point of no return, will be consumed, never to re-emerge, because of the black hole’s unimaginably strong gravity. By its very nature, a black hole cannot be seen, but the hot disk of material that encircles it shines bright. Against a bright backdrop, such as this disk, a black hole appears to cast a shadow.
The stunning new image shows the shadow of the supermassive black hole in the center of Messier 87 (M87), an elliptical galaxy some 55 million light-years from Earth. This black hole is 6.5 billion times the mass of the Sun. Catching its shadow involved eight ground-based radio telescopes around the globe, operating together as if they were one telescope the size of our entire planet.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/blackhole.png?itok=THJrwcHP)
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/black_hole_xray_layout.jpg?itok=-4cgbyPo)
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/news/black-hole-image-makes-history
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There's a good explanation of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GVbuddri8
And more info here: https://twitter.com/AstroKatie/status/1115965419666464768
This pic gives a better perspective on how huge this black hole is.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D30FX4vUcAUZGQi.png)
They also collected data of the black hole at the centre of our Milky Way galaxy but it's not as clear as M87.
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Now to find the elusive white hole. Predicted by quantum physics and only theoretical at the moment.
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A census of baryons in the Universe from localized fast radio bursts
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2300-2
After an intergalactic search lasting more than two decades, an Australian-led team of scientists say they have finally found the universe's "missing matter", solving a mystery that has long stumped astronomers.
Since the mid-90s, scientists have been trying to locate half of the universe's ordinary matter. They believed it was out there because of clues left over from the Big Bang, but it had never been seen.
"What we're talking about here is what scientists call baryonic matter, which is the normal stuff that you and I are made of," said Associate Professor Jean-Pierre Macquart, from the Curtin University node of the International Centre for Radio Astronomy Research.
Astronomy is full of missing stuff. Most of the universe is understood to be "dark matter" and "dark energy", which nobody has ever directly seen. But even more of a mystery for astronomers was that they couldn't find about half the ordinary matter in the universe.
Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-28/astronomers-find-universe-missing-matter/12291788
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10-year time-lapse video of the Sun: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/watch-a-10-year-time-lapse-of-sun-from-nasa-s-sdo
NASA also found the tail of the Earth's magnetosphere acts like a 'wind-sock' in the Solar wind. So the Moon even when it's behind the Earth isn't always protected from the high-energy particles of the Solar wind. This will be important for the timing of future lunar missions.
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/moonsock_final_985.gif?itok=UGhS2CPB)
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/side_image/public/thumbnails/image/unknown_2.gif?itok=6uw-wWwt)
This simulation shows how the shock wave event seen by NASA’s spacecraft moved the tail of Earth’s magnetosphere, exposing the Moon. Credits: Q.Q. Shi, Shandong Univ.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/NASA-Spacecraft-Helps-Identify-Solar-Radiation-Patterns-That-Expose-the-Moon/
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Look into the sky tonight and you'll see something that hasn't happened since 1623.
The conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn where they'll appear just 0.1 degree apart in the night sky.
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You’ll have the best luck at seeing this year’s conjunction if you can find an area relatively free of light pollution with an unobstructed view of the horizon.
The actual conjunction is due to take place at 11.20pm AEDT and will appear close to the horizon in the west.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/how-to-watch-the-christmas-star-created-by-great-conjunction-of-jupiter-and-saturn/news-story/eeb9cc0813062b79a6c75f595ad7a12c
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The James Webb Space Telescope has been launched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rARTOhbLDg
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The Webb telescope won't be orbiting the Earth – instead we will send it almost a million miles out into space to a place called "L2."
L2 is short-hand for the second Lagrange Point, a wonderful accident of gravity and orbital mechanics, and the perfect place to park the Webb telescope in space. There are five so-called "Lagrange Points" - areas where gravity from the sun and Earth balance the orbital motion of a satellite. Putting a spacecraft at any of these points allows it to stay in a fixed position relative to the Earth and sun with a minimal amount of energy needed for course correction.
(https://www.nasa.gov/images/content/463480main_lagrange_point_lg_1.jpg)
In the case of L2, this happens about 930,000 miles away from the Earth in the exact opposite direction from the sun. The Earth, as we know, orbits the sun once every year. Normally, an object almost a million miles farther out from the sun should move more slowly, taking more than a year to complete its orbit around the sun. However, at L2, exactly lined up with both the sun and Earth, the added gravity of the two large bodies pulling in the same direction gives a spacecraft an extra boost of energy, locking it into perfect unison with the Earth's yearly orbit. The Webb telescope will be placed slightly off the true balance point, in a gentle orbit around L2.
(https://www.nasa.gov/images/content/464173main_L2_Webb_rework.jpg)
Read more here: https://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/webb-l2.html
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Jupiter will be at its closest approach to the Earth in decades next week. Its 4 largest moons should even been visible using binoculars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS3gwXeJFGc&t=49s
https://blogs.nasa.gov/Watch_the_Skies/tag/jupiter/
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On Dec. 5, 2022, a team at LLNL's @lasers_llnl conducted the first controlled fusion experiment in history to achieve fusion ignition. Also known as scientific energy breakeven, the experiment produced more energy from fusion than the laser energy used to drive it.
https://twitter.com/Livermore_Lab/status/1602679745287700483
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-12-14/nuclear-fusion-reaction-net-gain-clean-energy-explainer/101765634
Exciting news :thumbsup.
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The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor
https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008
Superconductor Pb10-xCux(PO4)6O showing levitation at room temperature and atmospheric pressure and mechanism.
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2307/2307.12037.pdf
Yet to be confirmed I believe, but if this LK-99 material result can be replicated independently and the paper(s) published, then this would be a significant tech advancement.
As someone on twitter tweeted:
1. 100 billion kWh of electricity are wasted on transmission losses each year in the US alone. That's equivalent to 3 of our largest nuclear reactors running 24/7. Superconductivity enables lossless electricity transmission at high voltages and currents.
2. According to the authors, the LK-99 material can be prepared in about 34 hrs with extremely basic lab equipment (a mortar & pestle, basic vacuum, and furnace). These results could replicate within days-weeks.
3. Nuclear fusion reactors rely on superconductors for plasma confinement. Modern designs use RBCO/YBCO superconductors cooled with LN2 or Liquid He, creating a huge temperature gradient and challenging operation. Ambient superconductors enable a whole host of new reactor designs.
4. Quantum computers use superconductors to preserve coherence in qubits. Small changes in temperature and pressure can cause the entire QC to fail during operation. Imagine a room temperature quantum computer on your desktop - now possible.
5. Superconductors might be the best batteries out there. Simply inject a current and keep it in the coil until you need it. Previously, too costly to maintain. Now, totally feasible.
6. Your iPhone won't overheat when playing subway surfer with a youtube video in the corner anymore! Ultra-efficient computer chips will have 0 resistive losses during operation with superconductors. No need for cooling fans!!
7. And, the common ones: super-cheap MRI machines, MagLev trains everywhere, and a super efficient electric grid.
https://twitter.com/alexkaplan0/status/1684044616528453633
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India becomes the fourth country ever to land a spacecraft on the moon and the first at the South Pole.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/india-becomes-the-fourth-country-ever-to-land-a-spacecraft-on-the-moon/56d1ecf1-d29f-42ba-9a91-26cbaab1742b
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Australia launching its first moon rover on NASA Artemis mission as soon as 2026.
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/TfgqhaCvDFhqRF9qe8bQzk-1200-80.jpg.webp)
https://www.space.com/australia-moon-rover-2026-nasa-artemis
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Not sure we should be the nation doing this tbh unless we are getting significant assistance from USA.
Surely we have other priorities.
Although my understanding is that our position on earth gives us unique and beneficial launch time/location opportunities due to the position of various satellites and the atmosphere/climate etc.
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What a waste of money
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Scientist Adelbert Ames created the mind boggling ‘Ames Window’ (1951).
Watch here: https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1741942272080650369
The last bit with the pen is just a freaky illusion.
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Scientist Adelbert Ames created the mind boggling ‘Ames Window’ (1951).
Watch here: https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1741942272080650369
The last bit with the pen is just a freaky illusion.
Yeah, freaky illusion! I loved this show as a kid.
The Ames window also explains why so many journos think that Dusty will join Gold Coast next year ... ::)