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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on July 14, 2012, 08:21:41 PM
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No doubt club officials will hear and see the backlash from this disgusting result, and rightly so.
I think we are over exaggerating by saying we haven't improved at all. We have improved, anyone saying we haven't have short memories. Yes todays result was a disgrace but we have improved, immensely. Using, 'Cairns' as an excuse for the loss is a cop out. We should have won that game easily as shown when we played properly and were switched on we dominated.
Fact is that we lost because half our side we put out on the park today are just simply borderline VFL players and in no way shape or form be allowed to embarress and alienate the fans and supporters of this great club.
If the 'powers at be' can't see the clear clear clear message that was on display today that the following players are not even in the same stratosphere of being AFL competitive than we are going no where.
Angus Graham, Tom Derickx, Addam Maric, Jerome Webberley in no way shape of form should be seen anywhere near Punt Road after Round 23.
Add Connors and MacDonald.
Add McGuane, White and Moore, whilst try hard are not going to take us further.
Get fair dinkum RFC and delist these players and use the resources we are meant to be spending money on and recruit more players like Steve Morris from state league competetions. These pretendors have been given multiple seasons to long to show if they can cut it and have failed on every occasions.
Leadership group played their heart out today and go bugger all support from players playing for their career. If these guys can't turn it on when playing for their career against a bunch of confidence shot kids then they are wasting every bodies time. Cut them loose.
Get fair dinkum. :banghead
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At least it took until round 16 to know our season was shagged
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How they could rest Maric when the season is on the line and we had so many out anyway is simply unbelievable. Its negligent, its stupid, its illogical, its wrong, its a disgraceful decision.
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Elton not getting a gameb :-X
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Sorry to say Exuses and more Exuses I'm hearing .Dont blame depth for the loss.
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Get MIck Malthouse
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Okay Pope where have we improved? Name where you think we have
I have on another thread but i will again
improvements
%
edwards
rance
Grimes
where else?????
We still lost to a rabble of a club in GC
got pushed ton the line against GWS
Got beaten by freo at the MCG
yes we beat hawks/swans/.stkilda but most years we either beat them or get very close so again i ask where have we improved???
we have a decimated culture at our football club. Culture lost us the game today nothing else.
It was the same culture that cant put away clubs like melboutne the other week.
our club is surviving, not by the likes of brendan gale and Dimma, but by people like the ones on this site who pay to the fund and pay multiple memberships to only get this rubbish dished up.
If you think losing to GC, who also has a young side, is evidence we have improved then maybe watch the game again.
Watch nahas slowly jog to an opponent who then kicks a goal. Watch 6 forwards in our F50 in the dying minutes when it shouldve been flooded with Gus that useless stuff and dericks
No improvement IMO and the coaching staff have taken a step backwards also with some of their decisions.
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No doubt club officials will hear and see the backlash from this disgusting result, and rightly so.
I think we are over exaggerating by saying we haven't improved at all. We have improved, anyone saying we haven't have short memories. Yes todays result was a disgrace but we have improved, immensely. Using, 'Cairns' as an excuse for the loss is a cop out. We should have won that game easily as shown when we played properly and were switched on we dominated.
Fact is that we lost because half our side we put out on the park today are just simply borderline VFL players and in no way shape or form be allowed to embarress and alienate the fans and supporters of this great club.
If the 'powers at be' can't see the clear clear clear message that was on display today that the following players are not even in the same stratosphere of being AFL competitive than we are going no where.
Angus Graham, Tom Derickx, Addam Maric, Jerome Webberley in no way shape of form should be seen anywhere near Punt Road after Round 23.
Add Connors and MacDonald.
Add McGuane, White and Moore, whilst try hard are not going to take us further.
Get fair dinkum RFC and delist these players and use the resources we are meant to be spending money on and recruit more players like Steve Morris from state league competetions. These pretendors have been given multiple seasons to long to show if they can cut it and have failed on every occasions.
Leadership group played their heart out today and go bugger all support from players playing for their career. If these guys can't turn it on when playing for their career against a bunch of confidence shot kids then they are wasting every bodies time. Cut them loose.
Get fair dinkum. :banghead
Top post. :thumbsup
agree with most but the improvement has been mostly off field in my opinion.
On field we still have a long Long long way to go.
The club needs to fix the culture issues, like I've said countless times before and will continue to say until I finally see it.
We have a loser mentality and an acceptence of mediocrity that far exceeds any club in the AFL.
This Must be sorted, we will never see finals or we will be rebuilding again in another 2-3 years.
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No doubt club officials will hear and see the backlash from this disgusting result, and rightly so.
I think we are over exaggerating by saying we haven't improved at all. We have improved, anyone saying we haven't have short memories. Yes todays result was a disgrace but we have improved, immensely. Using, 'Cairns' as an excuse for the loss is a cop out. We should have won that game easily as shown when we played properly and were switched on we dominated.
Fact is that we lost because half our side we put out on the park today are just simply borderline VFL players and in no way shape or form be allowed to embarress and alienate the fans and supporters of this great club.
If the 'powers at be' can't see the clear clear clear message that was on display today that the following players are not even in the same stratosphere of being AFL competitive than we are going no where.
Angus Graham, Tom Derickx, Addam Maric, Jerome Webberley in no way shape of form should be seen anywhere near Punt Road after Round 23.
Add Connors and MacDonald.
Add McGuane, White and Moore, whilst try hard are not going to take us further.
Get fair dinkum RFC and delist these players and use the resources we are meant to be spending money on and recruit more players like Steve Morris from state league competetions. These pretendors have been given multiple seasons to long to show if they can cut it and have failed on every occasions.
Leadership group played their heart out today and go bugger all support from players playing for their career. If these guys can't turn it on when playing for their career against a bunch of confidence shot kids then they are wasting every bodies time. Cut them loose.
Get fair dinkum. :banghead
we have improved heaps.
some of us did warn when injuries hit, well its been injuries sackings and suspensions we would struggle. again age experince quality and depth are all kpis lacking at richmond.
just on the players you named i reckon adam maric is worth persevering with. geez he makes good decisions and uses the ball real well. yes theres parts of his game he has to work on.
the other one is moore bloody hell mate hes missed almost two yrs of footy coming of a cripling injury what did you expect from him. i thought he went okay and the only way he will improve and we will find out if he can play on is by playing him.
im pleased graham got a game he bloody earnt it from consistent good form at coburg.
thing is he got a chance and he showed that its likely he is gonski as was always the case. derickx while he probably hasnt earnt a game had to be played. if we had given these blokes some games earlier in the yr we would not be whwere we are now maybe they may be up to afl speed and a bit better than they are yeah i know thats a long bow but worth saying.
jeromey webberley showed he is a good vfl player but doesnt have enough in the armoury to step up. again good form had to be rewarded.
no good going crook at those who came in its been known for a long time that a lot of them are not up to standard and we would get killed once injuries hit.
at least by playing tthe glass half fulls we can see they definately have to go its not as if we have many other options. the choice is promote a not ready kid or a not up to it older player.
out side the top 16 players it is slim pickings but that was true at the start of the yr not just now.
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Okay Pope where have we improved? Name where you think we have
I have on another thread but i will again
improvements
%
edwards
rance
Grimes
where else?????
We still lost to a rabble of a club in GC
got pushed ton the line against GWS
Got beaten by freo at the MCG
yes we beat hawks/swans/.stkilda but most years we either beat them or get very close so again i ask where have we improved???
we have a decimated culture at our football club. Culture lost us the game today nothing else.
It was the same culture that cant put away clubs like melboutne the other week.
our club is surviving, not by the likes of brendan gale and Dimma, but by people like the ones on this site who pay to the fund and pay multiple memberships to only get this rubbish dished up.
If you think losing to GC, who also has a young side, is evidence we have improved then maybe watch the game again.
Watch nahas slowly jog to an opponent who then kicks a goal. Watch 6 forwards in our F50 in the dying minutes when it shouldve been flooded with Gus that useless stuff and dericks
No improvement IMO and the coaching staff have taken a step backwards also with some of their decisions.
I'm glad you asked Dan.
Think today was a clear indication that we have improved.
Before this year we have had to put up with the disgusting Angus Graham wasting our membership dollars to pay his wages. We have improved by securing Ivan Maric who we missed dealy today.
That in itself shows our biggest improvement. On todays game.
Shows that last year we had to put up with many of these impostors (McGuane, Graham, Webberley etc.) who are simply not good enough. Luckily this year they've spent the majority in the 2s showing our improvement.
Whilst losing today is a disgrace and action should be taken towards a minority of players contracts I still think we are better than last year.
Our top liners are fantastic and were great today, the pathetic VFL players that came in and gave nothing shouldn't be allowed back at the club.
We would have won with even a marginally better squad, we wouldnt have said that last year. I don't blame the venue I don't blame the coaching not even the poor acts in the last qtr that could ahve saved us 4 points - I blame the bottom dozen players who shouldn't be anywhere near an AFL list. Stupidly we played all but Miller today in the same game and it costed us 4 points.
We've gradually over the last few years shorterned the size of our weak links, hopefully the club has seen the last of them with 1 more clean out.
Good bye
Derickx
Graham
Webberley
A.Maric
McGuane
Moore
Connors
MacDonald
Miller
Not interested in fairy tales, get fair dinkum with the list. :banghead
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Dont blame depth for the loss.
We don't have any, it is a valid excuse and we all knew at the start of the season that if we copped some injuries/suspensions to important players we were going to be stretched.
I just wish I had a piece of that $6.75 the Suns were paying.
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Dont blame depth for the loss.
We don't have any, it is a valid excuse and we all knew at the start of the season that if we copped some injuries/suspensions to important players we were going to be stretched.
I just wish I had a piece of that $6.75 the Suns were paying.
A mixture of having only 16 AFL players on the field and for the majority of the game the majority of those 16 were playing at 70% is the reason we lost.
We could have won if these 16 blokes played at there best for the majority of the game, but shouldn't come to that. Just shows now days that you need a full squad of 22 decent players to win games. Teams like Carlton and us have sides that rely on big game players carrying 4-5 blokes every week and it can't be sustained. We tried to carry 8 blokes toady and it cost us the game.
Get fair dinkum with the list.
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yes and we rested maric on a game we needed to win. Is that improvement??
Or is improvement playing Elton in a game in Adelaide or losing to a side who is winless
We have to agree to disagree on this one. Il admit we have improved in some areas but mostly same as last year
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Maric had to be rested bc he was sore as buggery, which comes back to why the hell was he run into the ground the past 6 weeks?
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Maric had to be rested bc he was sore as buggery, which comes back to why the hell was he run into the ground the past 6 weeks?
some of us have thrown other options for this scenario. some of us did ask what would happen if we suddenly threw them in the deep end if ivan went down. i suppose those questions have been answered.
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Maric had to be rested bc he was sore as buggery, which comes back to why the hell was he run into the ground the past 6 weeks?
some of us have thrown other options for this scenario. some of us did ask what would happen if we suddenly threw them in the deep end if ivan went down. i suppose those questions have been answered.
Regardless of the options we had a bye 3 weeks ago. The decision making at this club is is not even amateurish. It's Sunday pub league.
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I thought Maric had a niggling injury.Is this not the case. Comments above are all true.The only thing is if we axe eight players were do we recruit from, maybe the woman's league or bring back Bartlett ,Roach ,Flea etc
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Maric had to be rested bc he was sore as buggery, which comes back to why the hell was he run into the ground the past 6 weeks?
some of us have thrown other options for this scenario. some of us did ask what would happen if we suddenly threw them in the deep end if ivan went down. i suppose those questions have been answered.
Regardless of the options we had a bye 3 weeks ago. The decision making at this club is is not even amateurish. It's Sunday pub league.
hey Tucker, will you be changing your signature tonight?
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Maric had to be rested bc he was sore as buggery, which comes back to why the hell was he run into the ground the past 6 weeks?
some of us have thrown other options for this scenario. some of us did ask what would happen if we suddenly threw them in the deep end if ivan went down. i suppose those questions have been answered.
Regardless of the options we had a bye 3 weeks ago. The decision making at this club is is not even amateurish. It's Sunday pub league.
hey Tucker, will you be changing your signature tonight?
Happy now. ;D
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Get MIck Malthouse
Seriously starting to doubt dimma, that was awful stuff out there today and I don't get it?
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Get MIck Malthouse
Seriously starting to doubt dimma, that was awful stuff out there today and I don't get it?
Dimma is the man he just didn't have some cattle.
Webberley was woeful.
The KICP enough said. (Graham)
Two players who should not be in an RFC jumper ever again.
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Need to get a leader of men
For the opposition to kick 2 goals in 35 secs means he can't coach
Sorry but he can't
And the bottom club as well
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Need to get a leader of men
For the opposition to kick 2 goals in 35 secs means he can't coach
Sorry but he can't
And the bottom club as well
It's easy to blame the coach.
The same one that was a hero 6-8 weeks ago.
Stop peddling easy answers that appeal to the masses that want retribution for such a galling loss.
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Need to get a leader of men
For the opposition to kick 2 goals in 35 secs means he can't coach
Sorry but he can't
And the bottom club as well
It's easy to blame the coach.
The same one that was a hero 6-8 weeks ago.
Stop peddling easy answers that appeal to the masses that want retribution for such a galling loss.
Yep FFS top level AFL players should automatically smash teams like the suns, dont need a coach to take out the rubbish
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Maric had to be rested bc he was sore as buggery, which comes back to why the hell was he run into the ground the past 6 weeks?
some of us have thrown other options for this scenario. some of us did ask what would happen if we suddenly threw them in the deep end if ivan went down. i suppose those questions have been answered.
Regardless of the options we had a bye 3 weeks ago. The decision making at this club is is not even amateurish. It's Sunday pub league.
hey Tucker, will you be changing your signature tonight?
Happy now. ;D
:cheers :thumbsup
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Just watched the replay again
Dermott was correct
6 man forward line in the last 30 sec
Ridiculous
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These are professional footballs, my grandmother would know that if there is 30 seconds left and you are trying to save a game you would help out the defence, why does the coach need to say anything. Shouldnt the team just instinctively know when they should react a particular way. Maybe this is the core of the problem, we have brainless players who cant think for themselves, the coach can only do so much, in the end the players must learn to take control of various situations by themselves.
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Exactly as WP who was in Cairns watching the game and sitting near the interchange bench and hearing the instructions of Dimma stated that the players were not listening to his instructions in the last quarter when Dimma was coaching from ground level.
Spruiking seeing the replay again and rehashing what the commentator says is hardly endorsing the coaches capabilities when someone was there in person and saw and heard what went on.
We just have some dumb players who cannot read the situation and hope we get through and react rather than proactively doing something when a situation arises.
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Just watched the replay again
Dermott was correct
6 man forward line in the last 30 sec
Ridiculous
Then any player who knows what they were doing should instinctively know to flood back, hear in lies the problem! You can't blame the coach for that.
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Sorry .you get the runner to get the players to go behind the ball
Very simple stuff
The players wouldn't know how long left in the game
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
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Get MIck Malthouse
oh dear, here we go AGAIN.
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Get MIck Malthouse
oh dear, here we go AGAIN.
:rollin :rollin
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Need to get a leader of men
For the opposition to kick 2 goals in 35 secs means he can't coach
Sorry but he can't
And the bottom club as well
you peddle this poo every year.
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Need to get a leader of men
For the opposition to kick 2 goals in 35 secs means he can't coach
Sorry but he can't
And the bottom club as well
you peddle this poo every year.
True, and he only seem to have an opinion after a loss :rollin it must have been a very separation when the club sacked his arse :lol :lol
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Need to get a leader of men
For the opposition to kick 2 goals in 35 secs means he can't coach
Sorry but he can't
And the bottom club as well
you peddle this poo every year.
Well we get the same results every year
We fail
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Need to get a leader of men
For the opposition to kick 2 goals in 35 secs means he can't coach
Sorry but he can't
And the bottom club as well
you peddle this poo every year.
Well we get the same results every year
We fail
Considering you have confessed you are part of the reason we dont have these leader type players I don't know why you bother saying anything....you only have yourself to blame, get over it.
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
well why dont they listen then TFT? Do they not respect him enough to follow his instructions?
Its because outside of the top half dozen, they are losers with a loser mentality
Remember the great lethal Matthews
"The RFC are like an egg, crush the shell and the inside is soft and mushy"
People can blame the players, depth, coach, weather, God etc etc but the players have this in built and only a real leader of men can remove this cancer from the club.
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
well why dont they listen then TFT? Do they not respect him enough to follow his instructions?
Its because outside of the top half dozen, they are losers with a loser mentality
Remember the great lethal Matthews
"The RFC are like an egg, crush the shell and the inside is soft and mushy"
People can blame the players, depth, coach, weather, God etc etc but the players have this in built and only a real leader of men can remove this cancer from the club.
I don't usually use quotes twice, but here goes from another thread: If......and it's a big if, they even have 'structures' when games get tight - I haven't seen them in any of our losses. Whilst the sides that defeated us certainly did, even under pressure. Even lowly Melbourne and GC stuck to their 'structures' under pressure. If he has them the players are not listening. Something is wrong, once again, with the Coaching at Tigerland.
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Why did the like of reiwoldt not play behind the ball for the end? Very odd.
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Great post Daniel
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Too many undisipline acts happening to my liking
Jackson and White repeat offenders
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I'm still disgusted after yesterdays loss. The club doesnt give a poo about the supporters. There all probably laughing at the moment and preparing to open afew beers over a lunchtime bbq. No Respect for the supporters whatsoever.
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
well why dont they listen then TFT? Do they not respect him enough to follow his instructions?
Its because outside of the top half dozen, they are losers with a loser mentality
Remember the great lethal Matthews
"The RFC are like an egg, crush the shell and the inside is soft and mushy"
People can blame the players, depth, coach, weather, God etc etc but the players have this in built and only a real leader of men can remove this cancer from the club.
I don't usually use quotes twice, but here goes from another thread: If......and it's a big if, they even have 'structures' when games get tight - I haven't seen them in any of our losses. Whilst the sides that defeated us certainly did, even under pressure. Even lowly Melbourne and GC stuck to their 'structures' under pressure. If he has them the players are not listening. Something is wrong, once again, with the Coaching at Tigerland.
Its a major issue. Im not asking for Dimma's head yet, that will come in 12 months time if we havent improved for another year, but lets point out some facts here.
Players follow or dont follow instructions from their leader/coach. If they dont you have to ask why???
When i had a boss i would follow his instructions to a tee. IMO they dont respect him and he doesnt respect them
Even in our darker times i can remember seeing Richo/Benny gale in the back half in the dying mins of a close game.
Where was Jack???????????????????????????????
Every single player shouldve been in the back half for that last 30 seconds. It was a poor effort from players and coaches alike.
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:clapping agree entirely but we
We can't beat the GOD coast suns
DimSim is eating his own balls for breakfast
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Need to get a leader of men
For the opposition to kick 2 goals in 35 secs means he can't coach
Sorry but he can't
And the bottom club as well
Did you see his press conference, he even said the players didn't get the structures right for the last bounce. How is that the coaches fault?
Your just grinding your axe.
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Need to get a leader of men
For the opposition to kick 2 goals in 35 secs means he can't coach
Sorry but he can't
And the bottom club as well
Did you see his press conference, he even said the players didn't get the structures right for the last bounce. How is that the coaches fault?
Your just grinding your axe.
Do you even understand what a Head Coach's job is? Strategy is designed and practised leading up to the game. On match day it is the Head Coaches job to Motivate and crisis manage.
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Nah..I have no idea what so ever
You blokes obviously do
We are a successful football club that play finals every year
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Nah..I have no idea what so ever
You blokes obviously do
We are a successful football club that play finals every year
Jack I was actually supporting you
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ok heres my other critique for the day.lets stop ridiculing the kangaroos,and demons,and doggies of the AFL.lets instead look inwards and fixing up RFC.These other clubs have played finals more than we have over the past 30 years,and despite their lack of moula and supporters they keep bouncing back.
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What absolute garbage about structures etc
The game should not have been in that position
2 goals in 35 secs
Dropped marks
This was Gold Coast we played not Collingwood
No man or man at last Centre Bounce
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Pump my arse the rfc being doing it to me for 30yrs at least I've got 9 kids out of it
Nine more frustrated tigers :pray god help DimSim or cast him into the pit of failed coaches :help
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An under 10s team would work out to leave only one or two players forward ffs.
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What absolute garbage about structures etc
The game should not have been in that position
2 goals in 35 secs
Dropped marks
This was Gold Coast we played not Collingwood
No man or man at last Centre Bounce
Why bother explaining. Some people just have no idea
4 vrs 6 at the final centre bounce. Jack sitting in the F50 in the final minute. WTF :banghead :banghead
Players are not listening to our coach. The question has be asked do they respect him? or his instructions are all wrong or the club still has a cancer that is yet to be cured.
I dont care about his barking instructions in the last minute. That carnage should've been managed well before the last minute.
How have we lost 6 games under 2 goals this year? Players fault? Depth issue?
and lastly but more importantly the forward line coach is an absolute disgrace and how he is even getting paid a cent is beyond comprehension.
If Hardwick had any balls he would sack him immediately
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Where.would.wayne carey put himself?
Jack :huh
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What absolute garbage about structures etc
The game should not have been in that position
2 goals in 35 secs
Dropped marks
This was Gold Coast we played not Collingwood
No man or man at last Centre Bounce
100% spot on.
It's embarressing it got to the stage where we had to revert to putting players behind the ball to stop Gold Coast.. Ffs
Then for them to actually beat us is a feeling that I wouldnt wish on anyone..
Still disgusted.
Disgusted thr we still have slop on our list. Disgusted the coaching staff couldn't get these clowns to a level to compete with an opposition of unconfident kids. Disgusted.
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Popelord, we dont agree very often but we have this time
You are correct
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must admit i still feel very embarassed about this loss..i think this has hurt more than anything i have experienced even during the darkest days of the past 30 years
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
Absolutely spot on
He was yelling at the to flood back
But as I posted last night it's not the coaches fault that at crunch times we have dumb players who haven't the nouse to follow instructions or the guts to see things through because they panic like little leaguers.
Nice to Brisbane waiting for my next flight ;D
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
Absolutely spot on
He was yelling at the to flood back
But as I posted last night it's not the coaches fault that at crunch times we have dumb players who haven't the nouse to follow instructions or the guts to see things through because they panic like little leaguers.
Nice to Brisbane waiting for my next flight ;D
why wasnt jack in the Back 50? Why wasnt Newy in the back half. Why was there 4 vrs 6 at the centre square
Too many questions.
Dont kid yourself it was a bad for the club, players and in particular Hardwick for leading our men to yet another less within 2 goals
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
But as I posted last night it's not the coaches fault that at crunch times we have dumb players who haven't the nouse to follow instructions or the guts to see things through because they panic like little leaguers.
Cmon WP, you are smart enough to see that if the players are not following instructions the Coach's communication method/style is not working. Therefore it is the Coaches fault.
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Daniel you've been spot on in this thread.
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Who is our forwardline coach?
Doesn't help we have no cattle, imagine if Jack went down.
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
But as I posted last night it's not the coaches fault that at crunch times we have dumb players who haven't the nouse to follow instructions or the guts to see things through because they panic like little leaguers.
Cmon WP, you are smart enough to see that if the players are not following instructions the Coach's communication method/style is not working. Therefore it is the Coaches fault.
it seemed to work ok against hawthorn. the players are the problem :banghead
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
But as I posted last night it's not the coaches fault that at crunch times we have dumb players who haven't the nouse to follow instructions or the guts to see things through because they panic like little leaguers.
Cmon WP, you are smart enough to see that if the players are not following instructions the Coach's communication method/style is not working. Therefore it is the Coaches fault.
it seemed to work ok against hawthorn. the players are the problem :banghead
yeah it worked under wallett too when we smashed hawthorn in rd 21.
Id rather look at how we win and how we lose
ive closely watched the last 90 seconds again this morning and our midfield at the final bounce did NOT have Cotch in there
we played 6 vrs 4. I mean lets be serious what a monumental stuff up.
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Have a good look when Harbrow when running down the ground and Dea was running away from towards the goal square
Please give me a break
Why didn't he run towards Rance and Harbrow.?
Why?
He hasn't a clue that's why?
Harbrow shouldn't have kicked that goal
Also Rances tap on to open space before Hunt took the mark
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Okay Pope where have we improved? Name where you think we have
I have on another thread but i will again
improvements
%
edwards
rance
Grimes
where else?????
We still lost to a rabble of a club in GC
got pushed ton the line against GWS
Got beaten by freo at the MCG
yes we beat hawks/swans/.stkilda but most years we either beat them or get very close so again i ask where have we improved???
we have a decimated culture at our football club. Culture lost us the game today nothing else.
It was the same culture that cant put away clubs like melboutne the other week.
our club is surviving, not by the likes of brendan gale and Dimma, but by people like the ones on this site who pay to the fund and pay multiple memberships to only get this rubbish dished up.
If you think losing to GC, who also has a young side, is evidence we have improved then maybe watch the game again.
Watch nahas slowly jog to an opponent who then kicks a goal. Watch 6 forwards in our F50 in the dying minutes when it shouldve been flooded with Gus that useless stuff and dericks
No improvement IMO and the coaching staff have taken a step backwards also with some of their decisions.
you mention 4 clubs near the bottom of the ladder and ask why we either lost or cant convincingly beat them.
the answer is simple and has always been staring you in the face. the simple answer is we are not much better or even no better than these sides but expectations are we should beat them easy.
the simple truth is if you want on field success you need enough decent players to 1/ achieve it and 2/ sustain it.
we have enough decent players when all are fit and in form to place us in about the same boat as probably 10 or 12 other sides. placed somewhere between 7th and 13th on the ladder.
we dont have enough decent players to sustain it though. lose just a couple of players as has happened and we join the bottom 6 or so sides.
ffs this has been so obvious to everyone all yr, yet when the injuries and suspensions come and we invariably go backwards people act shocked and angry the only possible reason for this reaction is they just dont understand the actual state of the list or they have had unrealistic expectations. seems to me its a combination of both.
the real message needs to go to the supporters, the message is: bloody learn to understand the list we have. actually acknowledge the real list deficiencies we have, and what they prevent us from achieving. stop the stupid expectations especially when the depth is sorely tested.
do these things and supporters would not get so angry and emotional.
was losing to gc disappointing you bet ya, especially giving up a two goal lead with just over a minute to go.
but was the loss really such a bolt out of the blue that demands such over the top reactions from so many. no way it was on the cards and was going to be a tough game for us.
you only need look at our performances this yr and last yr against melb gws freo bris, pa, gc they have in the main been battles. our best 22 may be better than these sides atm but our depth if anything is probably worse for all sorts of reasons.
finals for next yr is where im looking or what im looking at. i have to say it may not happen because it takes time to build depth develop young players get enough players into the right age brackets with enough games played. focus on these things and then compare them to other sides and your expectations will be lessened.look at the over all quality while your at it.
finally all i can say to the sooks out there is suck it up get realistic and stop crying like babies.
we all deep down knew we had a long way to go at the start of the yr and we still do now and next yr.
we are very much in heavy list building phase we have been since hardwick came and we will remain so for two more drafts.
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Okay Pope where have we improved? Name where you think we have
I have on another thread but i will again
improvements
%
edwards
rance
Grimes
where else?????
We still lost to a rabble of a club in GC
got pushed ton the line against GWS
Got beaten by freo at the MCG
yes we beat hawks/swans/.stkilda but most years we either beat them or get very close so again i ask where have we improved???
we have a decimated culture at our football club. Culture lost us the game today nothing else.
It was the same culture that cant put away clubs like melboutne the other week.
our club is surviving, not by the likes of brendan gale and Dimma, but by people like the ones on this site who pay to the fund and pay multiple memberships to only get this rubbish dished up.
If you think losing to GC, who also has a young side, is evidence we have improved then maybe watch the game again.
Watch nahas slowly jog to an opponent who then kicks a goal. Watch 6 forwards in our F50 in the dying minutes when it shouldve been flooded with Gus that useless stuff and dericks
No improvement IMO and the coaching staff have taken a step backwards also with some of their decisions.
you mention 4 clubs near the bottom of the ladder and ask why we either lost or cant convincingly beat them.
the answer is simple and has always been staring you in the face. the simple answer is we are not much better or even no better than these sides but expectations are we should beat them easy.
the simple truth is if you want on field success you need enough decent players to 1/ achieve it and 2/ sustain it.
we have enough decent players when all are fit and in form to place us in about the same boat as probably 10 or 12 other sides. placed somewhere between 7th and 13th on the ladder.
we dont have enough decent players to sustain it though. lose just a couple of players as has happened and we join the bottom 6 or so sides.
ffs this has been so obvious to everyone all yr, yet when the injuries and suspensions come and we invariably go backwards people act shocked and angry the only possible reason for this reaction is they just dont understand the actual state of the list or they have had unrealistic expectations. seems to me its a combination of both.
the real message needs to go to the supporters, the message is: bloody learn to understand the list we have. actually acknowledge the real list deficiencies we have, and what they prevent us from achieving. stop the stupid expectations especially when the depth is sorely tested.
do these things and supporters would not get so angry and emotional.
was losing to gc disappointing you bet ya, especially giving up a two goal lead with just over a minute to go.
but was the loss really such a bolt out of the blue that demands such over the top reactions from so many. no way it was on the cards and was going to be a tough game for us.
you only need look at our performances this yr and last yr against melb gws freo bris, pa, gc they have in the main been battles. our best 22 may be better than these sides atm but our depth if anything is probably worse for all sorts of reasons.
finals for next yr is where im looking or what im looking at. i have to say it may not happen because it takes time to build depth develop young players get enough players into the right age brackets with enough games played. focus on these things and then compare them to other sides and your expectations will be lessened.look at the over all quality while your at it.
finally all i can say to the sooks out there is suck it up get realistic and stop crying like babies.
we all deep down knew we had a long way to go at the start of the yr and we still do now and next yr.
we are very much in heavy list building phase we have been since hardwick came and we will remain so for two more drafts.
voice of someone who can handle adversity.
some here crumble at the first sign of things
not going their way.
are supporters that mentally weak.
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Six most important players at rfc
Chimp
Dusty
Ivan
Grimes
Kingy
Tyronasaurus
Only one playing and tuck is useless without his relief in jacko
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we have improved heaps.
some of us did warn when injuries hit, well its been injuries sackings and suspensions we would struggle. again age experince quality and depth are all kpis lacking at richmond.
just on the players you named i reckon adam maric is worth persevering with. geez he makes good decisions and uses the ball real well. yes theres parts of his game he has to work on.
the other one is moore bloody hell mate hes missed almost two yrs of footy coming of a cripling injury what did you expect from him. i thought he went okay and the only way he will improve and we will find out if he can play on is by playing him.
im pleased graham got a game he bloody earnt it from consistent good form at coburg.
thing is he got a chance and he showed that its likely he is gonski as was always the case. derickx while he probably hasnt earnt a game had to be played. if we had given these blokes some games earlier in the yr we would not be whwere we are now maybe they may be up to afl speed and a bit better than they are yeah i know thats a long bow but worth saying.
jeromey webberley showed he is a good vfl player but doesnt have enough in the armoury to step up. again good form had to be rewarded.
no good going crook at those who came in its been known for a long time that a lot of them are not up to standard and we would get killed once injuries hit.
at least by playing tthe glass half fulls we can see they definately have to go its not as if we have many other options. the choice is promote a not ready kid or a not up to it older player.
out side the top 16 players it is slim pickings but that was true at the start of the yr not just now.
Top post.
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Hardwick was on the boundary screaming instructions...Fact! I'm 100% certain the he wasn't telling them to hold there spots. Its schoolyard poo, as a player in that situation you should know what to do, not wait to be told by the runner.
Absolutely spot on
He was yelling at the to flood back
But as I posted last night it's not the coaches fault that at crunch times we have dumb players who haven't the nouse to follow instructions or the guts to see things through because they panic like little leaguers.
Nice to Brisbane waiting for my next flight ;D
why wasnt jack in the Back 50? Why wasnt Newy in the back half. Why was there 4 vrs 6 at the centre square
Too many questions.
Dont kid yourself it was a bad for the club, players and in particular Hardwick for leading our men to yet another less within 2 goals
To answer one of your questions = Newy was on bench concussed after having just come out of the rooms as aresult of having staples inserted into back of his head
And BTW I am not kidding myself how bad this loss is for the club - there is no hiding from that, even though the club itself seems to be in hiding ;D
What is glaring now like a beacon although some of us have known it since before the season started is that we still haven't got great depth to our list and we still have too many players that went it is crunch time have no footy smarts and panic when they have no one around them to tell them what to do.
IMO perfect example was when Newman was concussed in the last 5 minutes. And lets be honest I am one of his harshest critics but geez we missed his leadership in those loast crucial minutes because he would have least marshalled some of the poor decision makers into better positions etc
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WP is correct :thumbsup
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The clearest message to the club is that the list still isn't good enough.
First major injuries for the year and we can't even beat GC.
Talk all you like about 3 premierships but it won't come whilst many of these footballers remain in the squad.
Just need to keep culling and bringing in fresh faces who might improve things quickly enough for Lids to see some September action before his career is over.
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The clearest message to the club is that the list still isn't good enough.
First major injuries for the year and we can't even beat GC.
Talk all you like about 3 premierships but it won't come whilst many of these footballers remain in the squad.
Just need to keep culling and bringing in fresh faces who might improve things quickly enough for Lids to see some September action before his career is over.
i would say you are right on the money there. :thumbsup
still have Wallace leftovers which hopefully
should be moved on.
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Okay Pope where have we improved? Name where you think we have
I have on another thread but i will again
improvements
%
edwards
rance
Grimes
where else?????
We still lost to a rabble of a club in GC
got pushed ton the line against GWS
Got beaten by freo at the MCG
yes we beat hawks/swans/.stkilda but most years we either beat them or get very close so again i ask where have we improved???
we have a decimated culture at our football club. Culture lost us the game today nothing else.
It was the same culture that cant put away clubs like melboutne the other week.
our club is surviving, not by the likes of brendan gale and Dimma, but by people like the ones on this site who pay to the fund and pay multiple memberships to only get this rubbish dished up.
If you think losing to GC, who also has a young side, is evidence we have improved then maybe watch the game again.
Watch nahas slowly jog to an opponent who then kicks a goal. Watch 6 forwards in our F50 in the dying minutes when it shouldve been flooded with Gus that useless stuff and dericks
No improvement IMO and the coaching staff have taken a step backwards also with some of their decisions.
you mention 4 clubs near the bottom of the ladder and ask why we either lost or cant convincingly beat them.
the answer is simple and has always been staring you in the face. the simple answer is we are not much better or even no better than these sides but expectations are we should beat them easy.
the simple truth is if you want on field success you need enough decent players to 1/ achieve it and 2/ sustain it.
we have enough decent players when all are fit and in form to place us in about the same boat as probably 10 or 12 other sides. placed somewhere between 7th and 13th on the ladder.
we dont have enough decent players to sustain it though. lose just a couple of players as has happened and we join the bottom 6 or so sides.
ffs this has been so obvious to everyone all yr, yet when the injuries and suspensions come and we invariably go backwards people act shocked and angry the only possible reason for this reaction is they just dont understand the actual state of the list or they have had unrealistic expectations. seems to me its a combination of both.
the real message needs to go to the supporters, the message is: bloody learn to understand the list we have. actually acknowledge the real list deficiencies we have, and what they prevent us from achieving. stop the stupid expectations especially when the depth is sorely tested.
do these things and supporters would not get so angry and emotional.
was losing to gc disappointing you bet ya, especially giving up a two goal lead with just over a minute to go.
but was the loss really such a bolt out of the blue that demands such over the top reactions from so many. no way it was on the cards and was going to be a tough game for us.
you only need look at our performances this yr and last yr against melb gws freo bris, pa, gc they have in the main been battles. our best 22 may be better than these sides atm but our depth if anything is probably worse for all sorts of reasons.
finals for next yr is where im looking or what im looking at. i have to say it may not happen because it takes time to build depth develop young players get enough players into the right age brackets with enough games played. focus on these things and then compare them to other sides and your expectations will be lessened.look at the over all quality while your at it.
finally all i can say to the sooks out there is suck it up get realistic and stop crying like babies.
we all deep down knew we had a long way to go at the start of the yr and we still do now and next yr.
we are very much in heavy list building phase we have been since hardwick came and we will remain so for two more drafts.
voice of someone who can handle adversity.
some here crumble at the first sign of things
not going their way.
are supporters that mentally weak.
lol mentally weak no. they are just unrealistic and unthinking.
ive never ever understood the club and its marketing policys over the last 20 odd yrs. the supporters wont desert them thats been patently clear for the last 30 odd yrs.
plain old harsh honesty is all thats needed with the supporters but we never get it. why they feel the need to talk everything up is beyond me. if you talk the talk you had damn well better be able to walk the walk other wise keep your mouth shut.
trouble is the supporters swallow everything that the club says and sets the tone for unrealistic expectations. seems most supporters cant think for themselves or cant be bothered either way it leads to one place and its never nice.
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I'm like you more and more Claw! WTF has this lose done to me :outtahere
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truth be known tas you and most posters probably arent that far off what i think to start with.
me i have set criteria kpis and process that the club needs to meet that dictates the way i think. what is it ross lyon keeps saying lately. hmm focusing on winning is just a distraction from the need to focus on improvement win lose or draw. or something like that.
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Hmmm claw, hmmmmmm
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Save your souls they're Godless
Thieving from honest committed dependable reliable loyal and faithful people
Which is what we pay them to be for us
Aim for eighth finish ninth is the publics opinion of us
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Agree with "The clearest message to the club is that the list still isn't good enough.
First major injuries for the year and we can't even beat GC.
Talk all you like about 3 premierships but it won't come whilst many of these footballers remain in the squad.
Just need to keep culling and bringing in fresh faces who might improve things quickly enough for Lids to see some September action before his career is over."