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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 10 FLAGS on July 22, 2012, 07:20:09 PM
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Ok well our season is once again done and dusted. So its time to do what we always do about now and that is to speculate on how the club should engage in trading and drafting. Fire away people!
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1) best available player with first three picks. List balance with the rest.
2) poach a genuine CHF/KF from another club.
3) lure a decent back up ruck option and don't pay much for him.
4) nab a decent player via free agency.
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First Round pick to GC and 400k to GC for Caddy as a start
Time to get serious Ramps we are pathetic at devloping our own so we might as well try and buy our success.
We have the money because lets face it outside of the cream the rest of our list is worth about a used condom
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Would RFC look attractive to an out of contracted KP player ?
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A back up ruckman for Ivan. Derickx is gone and so is Browne if he is not contracted. We are stuck with the King Island Cream Puff for another year and lets face it noone will be interested.
McIntosh, Hille, Hampson,
Get Caddy to the club plus another couple of midfielders one outside one inside.
A monster full back. Alipate Carlisle would be good.
Free up Griff at CHF.
Give captaincy to Cotch.
That should bolster our stocks and add some extra quality and depth for starters.
We need to get to a stage where blokes like Jako who are regulars now and pushed out of the side and blokes like Titch who some think he is coming along nicely and is a possible middle tier player now should be downgraded to a third tier standard of player because we have filled needs of depth and quality in the second tier that complement the class we have at the top.
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We need a half back, but first picks go on talent. If we can find another Ivan Marcic type great but don't spend too much on one
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Tim membrey is the pick I want. A big strong lad who can play forward or back. Could be the next roughy No more small guys big and strong please
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Delist -
Browne, Derrickx, MacDonald, Conners, Webberley, off the main list. (5)
Miller, A.Maric, Darrou, Wright from the Rookies list. (4)
Put Up For Trade
Newman, Post, Houli, Nahas, Jackson, Graham*, White*, McGuane* (8)
* Delist if no deals made.
Could end up with 8 Delistings: Browne, Derrickx, MacDonald, Conners, Webberley, Graham, White and McGuane.
In terms of who comes in too hard to tell at this stage but in the draft Im hoping for Mayes or Colquhoun with our 1st pick and I also like Montgomery from SA as well maybe a 2nd rounder here. Some VFL lads also deserve a chance like Dwyer, Martin and Cain whilst theres probably some decent players playing in the SANFL who are in their early 20s.
We will probably trade a pick for a ruckman and we should seek to bring in a player via free agency. Thats it for me. I dont think we will be very active at all. The 2013 draft seems much better anyway.
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Would pick up David Hille
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First Round pick to GC and 400k to GC for Caddy as a start
Time to get serious Ramps we are pathetic at devloping our own so we might as well try and buy our success.
We have the money because lets face it outside of the cream the rest of our list is worth about a used condom
What a stupid move that would be ...he done nothing at all to impress me, when you consider we could use our no 1 selection to get anotherplayer of ellis ilk , the decision is obvious
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First Round pick to GC and 400k to GC for Caddy as a start
Time to get serious Ramps we are pathetic at devloping our own so we might as well try and buy our success.
We have the money because lets face it outside of the cream the rest of our list is worth about a used condom
What a stupid move that would be ...he done nothing at all to impress me, when you consider we could use our no 1 selection to get anotherplayer of ellis ilk , the decision is obvious
yeah thats it lets recruit another slow mid 180ish half back flanker
Caddy would fit nicely into our midfield. Cotch goes down then what?? we need cream in our midfield
your dreaming if you think Caddy isnt impressive
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We dont get a grade players unfortunately daniel, we happy to get the likes of Houli and Grigg and thats all. We wont do anything decent in the trade period. Our administrators dont have the balls for it.
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Anyone who goes to the games can see we need 'bigger bodied " players
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Anyone who goes to the games can see we need 'bigger bodied " players
Hence why we should be using middle to late picks on state league players who are over 21 yo. IMHO.
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We need to look at a club like St Kilda who have salary cap issues and raid them accordingly.
A kid like Siposs as a midfield half fwd given his age and size would fit in beautifully.
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Oldman Skipper retire off
Bo Derrickx axe
King Island Brie axe
Ahole Maric axe
Pia Miller axe
Diarrhea Darrou axe
Pivotal Piva axe
Hips Moore retire sorry buddy it's a business
farmer Brown axe
The Last Post trade
Keep Jacko still tough and serviceable
Keep MCG MCguane but only as a spare parts forward
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Don't be fooled by the rocks that he's got
He's still (he's still) Roy from the block
He used to have a little but now he has a lot
No matter where he goes he knows where he came from
:dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing
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Would pick up David Hille
que for all the experts to tell ya hes too old.
id take him too but it would have to be real cheap.
lets say pick 10 is ours
10 - caddy.
2nd rnd - mid
compenastion - mid
3rd rnd - young ruckman
4th rnd - need.
5th rnd - mature state league or recycled afl layer. best available. eg tom lee chf/chb
6th rnd hille - if possible. or 189cm for/mid duffy e/freo/
psd moloney
free agency kpd merrett carlisle chaplin type.
rookie - mature state leaugue mid.
best available needs.
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As far as types we need 2 more quality mids, another AFL standard ruck, a tall agile big-bodied defender, a quality CHF, quality small quick footy smart forward & quality lead-up footysmart midsized forward (another Nathan Brown).
I'll be quite happy with 3 picks roughly in the top 30 including our first pick at 7 (finishing 13th on the ladder).
1. GWS
2. GC
3. Melb
4. Melb
5. Dogs
6. Port
7. Rich (1st rounder)
8. Bris
9. Carl
10. Freo
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19. Syd
20. GWS (PP)
21. GC (PP)
22. Melb (PP)
23. GWS
24. GC
25. Melb
26. Dogs
27. Port
28. Rich (compo)
29. Rich (2nd rounder)
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47-50: Rich (3rd rounder)
Mid-late 60s: Rich (4th rounder)
7. Best available 18 y.o. draftee - which will probably be another gun ballwinner/midfielder.
28. Best available 18 y.o. draftee
29. Trade to score another decent ruckman (Swans have traded late 20s picks to poach young (21-23 y.o.) and upcoming rucks from other clubs - eg: Jolly/Mumford - to be Maric's understudy). I would then look to trade our way back into the 30s then use that on another best available 18 y.o. draftee
50?: Best available 18 y.o. draftee
68?: Top state league (VFL/SANFL/WAFL) 20-something player who has the speed and acceleration to play at AFL level. Obviously no one from Coburg!
PSD pick 6 - history says possibly slim pickings here. Pass
Free agent - key tall or clever quick midsized forward. Otherwise best available.
Newy will go onto the veterans' list freeing up a senior list spot and meaning one less rookie spot.
Need 7 senior list outs ignoring trades: Connors, MacDonald, Webberley, Derickx, White, McGuane, Graham (pay out)
Rookies:
out: Miller (retire), Heslin (gone home), Wright?
2-3 rookies in.
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Tim membrey must be picked first
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Newy can go onto the seniors list but take it one step further and put him into a retirement home, with a gold watch and coupon book for cheap meals at the local RSL (Real Sh1+y Lunch).
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Tim membrey must be picked first
Seriously? He's an undersized KPF.
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Rape gc / gws of some talent.
Trade our rubbish players for low picks.
Trade semi*rubbish for decent picks.
Sign our key players to longer contracts (cotch. Imaric. Rance)
Find a good free agent.
Draft well.
Find mature rookies late picks.
Find couple gun internationals.
Sign director of football and or steal ass coachs to help dimma.
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Trade:
Jackson = too many undisciplined acts
Graham = One dimensional ruck, not mobile enough
White = not consistent enough for the amount of games played
Browne = old style ruck, too lumbering
Webberley = something has happened but did not show desire to play
Addam Maric = Runs around looking for easy touches, cannot tackle and does not go hard
Miller = too slow and cannot kick - needed to make a bigger impact
MacDonald = been on list too long - has not cracked a game
McGuane = does not stand up in big situations
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We should have a massive crack at Bellchambers or Hille. Hille would come cheap
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The Coach and me agreeing .mmmm
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3 midfielders with our first 3 picks - our lack of depth in midfield is what kills us and it doesn't matter what KPPs we have if we can't get hands on the ball. Mature age ruckman as our backup with a later pick / PSD.
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28. Rich (compo)
Pretty sure we wont be using that pick
Clubs had to nominate using their compo picks back in April/May and pretty sure we didn't so that's not an option
Also think you are more hoping we finish 13th rather than we will ;D
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Tim membrey must be picked first
Seriously? He's an undersized KPF.
Yep
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Hille would come cheap
There's a good reason for that - he's cooked, game has gone past him.
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Hills would be cheap and nasty. Not fit enough body will not stand up a season
Just get Tim membrey for chf and another midfielder for the broken axle foley
He was a big miss as well as the Tyronosuarus
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Upgrade Miller and Maric :shh
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Hille will retire before playing for any other club.
We need a backup for Maric, a Clarke, Bellchambers, Goldstein.
We need a tall backman, and a tall forward if TV is going to perform like he did this year.
Can't believe I'm saying it . . . Cloke is available :rollin
Caddy would be a great pickup, especially seeing Foley has those cotton achilles.
We need to invest in draft yes, but we also need some ready made players.
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Upgrade Miller and Maric :shh
Another Graham nut hugger! :banghead Maric is a gun.
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28. Rich (compo)
Pretty sure we wont be using that pick
Clubs had to nominate using their compo picks back in April/May and pretty sure we didn't so that's not an option
Also think you are more hoping we finish 13th rather than we will ;D
I thought we did nominate?
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28. Rich (compo)
Pretty sure we wont be using that pick
Clubs had to nominate using their compo picks back in April/May and pretty sure we didn't so that's not an option
Also think you are more hoping we finish 13th rather than we will ;D
I thought we did nominate?
Yep, we did.
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28. Rich (compo)
Pretty sure we wont be using that pick
Clubs had to nominate using their compo picks back in April/May and pretty sure we didn't so that's not an option
Also think you are more hoping we finish 13th rather than we will ;D
I thought we did nominate?
Yep, we did.
yep
from club website
Richmond will activate its second round compensation selection at the 2012 AFL National Draft, to be held in November this year.
The Tigers were one of five league clubs to notify the AFL, before today’s 2pm deadline, that they would be activating their compensation pick at this year’s Draft.
Richmond received its round two selection from Port Adelaide, via the Gold Coast Suns in a trade, after compensation for the loss of Nathan Krakouer.
The pick will be taken in the second round of the National Draft, immediately following the round two selection of Port Adelaide
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28. Rich (compo)
Pretty sure we wont be using that pick
Clubs had to nominate using their compo picks back in April/May and pretty sure we didn't so that's not an option
Also think you are more hoping we finish 13th rather than we will ;D
I thought we did nominate?
Yep, we did.
We did?
Stand corrected then
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Where are we going to get a big mobile full back? Most of the teams with big forwards have beaten us despite the best efforts of the defence. The only other team that does not have a monster full back is collingwood?? We were good in getting Maric, now we need to target a FB
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if they can add a few more layers of paper mache to griffiths he could be the man
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Add a heart and he would be complete
I still think its coach tactics and selection which have cost us games
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Big Pappi
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Add a heart and he would be complete
I still think its coach tactics and selection which have cost us games
Yes nothing to do with players, admin, injuries or even umpires. It has to be the coach. Let's sack him and see if we can break our last 3 decades world record for coach turn over ::)
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great we starting up the
"sack the Coach" bandwagon
again.
happy days :thumbsup
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Need to nail the first 2/3 picks at least
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Need to nail the first 2/3 picks at least
I have doubts that we will nail any picks after our first pick.
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Based on what Ramps?
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As far as types we need 2 more quality mids, another AFL standard ruck, a tall agile big-bodied defender, a quality CHF, quality small quick footy smart forward & quality lead-up footysmart midsized forward (another Nathan Brown).
I'll be quite happy with 3 picks roughly in the top 30 including our first pick at 7 (finishing 13th on the ladder).
7. Best available 18 y.o. draftee - which will probably be another gun ballwinner/midfielder.
28. Best available 18 y.o. draftee
29. Trade to score another decent ruckman (Swans have traded late 20s picks to poach young (21-23 y.o.) and upcoming rucks from other clubs - eg: Jolly/Mumford - to be Maric's understudy). I would then look to trade our way back into the 30s then use that on another best available 18 y.o. draftee
50?: Best available 18 y.o. draftee
68?: Top state league (VFL/SANFL/WAFL) 20-something player who has the speed and acceleration to play at AFL level. Obviously no one from Coburg!
PSD pick 6 - history says possibly slim pickings here. Pass
Free agent - key tall or clever quick midsized forward. Otherwise best available.
Newy will go onto the veterans' list freeing up a senior list spot and meaning one less rookie spot.
Need 7 senior list outs ignoring trades: Connors, MacDonald, Webberley, Derickx, White, McGuane, Graham (pay out)
Rookies:
out: Miller (retire), Heslin (gone home), Wright?
2-3 rookies in.
I agree with most of what you've got but come from the other way:
Newy will go onto the veterans' list freeing up a senior list spot and meaning one less rookie spot.
Need 7 senior list outs ignoring trades: Connors, MacDonald, Webberley, Derickx, White, McGuane, Graham/Browne.
Need 3 rookies in: Miller (retire), Heslin (gone home), one of Maric or Verrier to senior list taking Newman's spot.
Free agent - key tall or clever quick midsized forward.
We may get a draft pick for one of the delists above like mcGuane or Graham
7. Best available junior - midfielder/forward.
28. Best available junior - midfielder/forward.
29. Best available junior Key forward.
50?: Mature 20's player who has the skill, speed, strength and acceleration to play KPD at AFL level.
68?: Mature 20's player who has the skill, speed, strength and acceleration to play mid/forward at AFL level.
78?. Mature 20's player who has the skill, speed, strength and acceleration to play mid/defense at AFL level.
Rookies in any order to get the best result of what's left;
Junior key forward
Junior ruck
Small forward junior or mature
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Based on what Ramps?
Based on this-
2nd and 3rd picks over the last 10 years
2nd pick- Tim Fleming
3rd pick- Bill Nicholls
2nd pick- Thomas Roach
3rd pick- Daniel Jackson
2nd pick- Richard Tambling
3rd pick- Danny Myers
2nd pick- Cleve Hughes
3rd pick- Travis Casserly
2nd pick- Shane Edwards
3rd pick- Daniel Conners
2nd pick- Alex Rance
3rd pick- Dean Putt
2nd pick- Jayden Post
3rd pick- Tom Hislop
2nd pick- Ben Griffiths
3rd pick- David Astbury
2nd pick- Jack Batchelor
3rd pick- Bradley Helbig
2nd pick- Todd Elton
3rd pick- Matthew Arnot
Now i know that's going a fair way back but those drafts 7,8, 9 years ago should have produced the senior players we lack at present.
The last 4 drafts, out of those eight players, this year they have about 20 games between them.
It also shows us why we haven't played finals in the last 10 years. You cannot gain ground on the teams above you with only adding one player to your team most years through the National Draft where the best kids are in the country.
Pretty sad really when you break it down.
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But what's all that got to do with this next draft? As far as I can see the last 3 years can't be written off at all yet so I'll re-ask the question - based on what?
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Who the stuff is Myers
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As far as types we need 2 more quality mids, another AFL standard ruck, a tall agile big-bodied defender, a quality CHF, quality small quick footy smart forward & quality lead-up footysmart midsized forward (another Nathan Brown).
I'll be quite happy with 3 picks roughly in the top 30 including our first pick at 7 (finishing 13th on the ladder).
7. Best available 18 y.o. draftee - which will probably be another gun ballwinner/midfielder.
28. Best available 18 y.o. draftee
29. Trade to score another decent ruckman (Swans have traded late 20s picks to poach young (21-23 y.o.) and upcoming rucks from other clubs - eg: Jolly/Mumford - to be Maric's understudy). I would then look to trade our way back into the 30s then use that on another best available 18 y.o. draftee
50?: Best available 18 y.o. draftee
68?: Top state league (VFL/SANFL/WAFL) 20-something player who has the speed and acceleration to play at AFL level. Obviously no one from Coburg!
PSD pick 6 - history says possibly slim pickings here. Pass
Free agent - key tall or clever quick midsized forward. Otherwise best available.
Newy will go onto the veterans' list freeing up a senior list spot and meaning one less rookie spot.
Need 7 senior list outs ignoring trades: Connors, MacDonald, Webberley, Derickx, White, McGuane, Graham (pay out)
Rookies:
out: Miller (retire), Heslin (gone home), Wright?
2-3 rookies in.
I agree with most of what you've got but come from the other way:
Newy will go onto the veterans' list freeing up a senior list spot and meaning one less rookie spot.
Need 7 senior list outs ignoring trades: Connors, MacDonald, Webberley, Derickx, White, McGuane, Graham/Browne.
Need 3 rookies in: Miller (retire), Heslin (gone home), one of Maric or Verrier to senior list taking Newman's spot.
Free agent - key tall or clever quick midsized forward.
We may get a draft pick for one of the delists above like mcGuane or Graham
7. Best available junior - midfielder/forward.
28. Best available junior - midfielder/forward.
29. Best available junior Key forward.
50?: Mature 20's player who has the skill, speed, strength and acceleration to play KPD at AFL level.
68?: Mature 20's player who has the skill, speed, strength and acceleration to play mid/forward at AFL level.
78?. Mature 20's player who has the skill, speed, strength and acceleration to play mid/defense at AFL level.
Rookies in any order to get the best result of what's left;
Junior key forward
Junior ruck
Small forward junior or mature
not bad at all based on a picks only scenario.
lets add a bit of cream on top here and include potential trades.did this on another thread and its a bit of wishful thinking but what the heck.
7 caddy a mid forward and a baby still. so we lose nothing with him being two yrs in the system.
28 mid forward.
29 mid forward.
50? kpf/ ruckman
68? tom lee claremont 21yo 195/95 kpd/kpf
psd brent moloney short term 29 yo who i think would add plenty.
free agency twavis cloke kpf.
free agency troy chaplin
thats 8 with newman to rookie list thats 7 from list proper.