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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: yellowandback on July 29, 2012, 07:19:33 AM
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He iis clearly inferior as a coach in this competition and has taken our club into no mansland in the past 3 years.
The only thing worse than getting torched by sides like Carlton and Adelaide is getting beaten by a breath.
Football isn't about progress, it is about results.
That's the thing about anger, frustration, tears etc it produces a clarity of thinking.
Sack the bum!
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Totally agree
Football is about results
Not honorable losses
There has been more honorable losses this year in the history of the game
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Hardwick is 'laying down the law': http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/142881/default.aspx. In the article he say's that we will not put players out for op's and will go 'full bore' 'till the end of the year. This will be just another major mistake on his behalf. A wise coach would be doing the opposite and preparing us for a red hot tilt early next season when finals teams are working into fitness. He is looking more like our previous self-preserving, dud coaches on a daily basis.
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So Riewoldt isn't getting him brain transplant till September now
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Hardwick is 'laying down the law': http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/142881/default.aspx. In the article he say's that we will not put players out for op's and will go 'full bore' 'till the end of the year. This will be just another major mistake on his behalf. A wise coach would be doing the opposite and preparing us for a red hot tilt early next season when finals teams are working into fitness. He is looking more like our previous self-preserving, dud coaches on a daily basis.
Agree with Dimma. Our season is 22 games plus finals. Not 16 then an operation. We can't play 14 games in a season without dropping off so how do we expect finals (heaven forbid) if we continually turn them out after 16 games?
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This is the worst thread and totally typical of RFC losing mentality. I suppose you want Malthouse as a coach? What abt Sheedy or someone else? Hardwick is OK, the team mentality and club culture is the problem, the club the coach the administration the players need to change it. Sacking Hardwick is a typical knee jerk reaction, cut off the head of the beast?? You will only put another figurehead there waiting to be torn down and once again not consider the root causes of our losing culture and acceptance of mediocrity. I would rather the whole club and supporters made a wild statement that we all had to shave their heads if we lost to gold coast. At least that would create a common unity. I don't want to be credible, i want RFC TO BE INCREDIBLE!!
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This is the worst thread and totally typical of RFC losing mentality. I suppose you want Malthouse as a coach? What abt Sheedy or someone else? Hardwick is OK, the team mentality and club culture is the problem, the club the coach the administration the players need to change it. Sacking Hardwick is a typical knee jerk reaction, cut off the head of the beast?? You will only put another figurehead there waiting to be torn down and once again not consider the root causes of our losing culture and acceptance of mediocrity. I would rather the whole club and supporters made a wild statement that we all had to shave their heads if we lost to gold coast. At least that would create a common unity. I don't want to be credible, i want RFC TO BE INCREDIBLE!!
Coming from a guy who wants to draft Fev next year....... :wallywink
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This is the worst thread and totally typical of RFC losing mentality. I suppose you want Malthouse as a coach? What abt Sheedy or someone else? Hardwick is OK, the team mentality and club culture is the problem, the club the coach the administration the players need to change it. Sacking Hardwick is a typical knee jerk reaction, cut off the head of the beast?? You will only put another figurehead there waiting to be torn down and once again not consider the root causes of our losing culture and acceptance of mediocrity. I would rather the whole club and supporters made a wild statement that we all had to shave their heads if we lost to gold coast. At least that would create a common unity. I don't want to be credible, i want RFC TO BE INCREDIBLE!!
Hardwick has already said we are not good enough, doesn't that say it all ;D
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Hardwick is 'laying down the law': http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/142881/default.aspx. In the article he say's that we will not put players out for op's and will go 'full bore' 'till the end of the year. This will be just another major mistake on his behalf. A wise coach would be doing the opposite and preparing us for a red hot tilt early next season when finals teams are working into fitness. He is looking more like our previous self-preserving, dud coaches on a daily basis.
agree Ruanaidh, smart clubs would be putting the cue in the rack and getting everybody ready for day 1 of pre season. If Morris needs a shoulder reco at seasons (and any other players have major surgery which delays their preseason and ultimately affects their 2013 season) I will tell the club to jam my membership. We need to get smarter, ruining players 2013 seasons by going full bore to win meaningless games in 2012 is just PLAIN DUMB
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This is the worst thread and totally typical of RFC losing mentality. I suppose you want Malthouse as a coach? What abt Sheedy or someone else? Hardwick is OK, the team mentality and club culture is the problem, the club the coach the administration the players need to change it. Sacking Hardwick is a typical knee jerk reaction, cut off the head of the beast?? You will only put another figurehead there waiting to be torn down and once again not consider the root causes of our losing culture and acceptance of mediocrity. I would rather the whole club and supporters made a wild statement that we all had to shave their heads if we lost to gold coast. At least that would create a common unity. I don't want to be credible, i want RFC TO BE INCREDIBLE!!
Coming from a guy who wants to draft Fev next year....... :wallywink
Just read what people say before making inane negative comments.
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This is the worst thread and totally typical of RFC losing mentality. I suppose you want Malthouse as a coach? What abt Sheedy or someone else? Hardwick is OK, the team mentality and club culture is the problem, the club the coach the administration the players need to change it. Sacking Hardwick is a typical knee jerk reaction, cut off the head of the beast?? You will only put another figurehead there waiting to be torn down and once again not consider the root causes of our losing culture and acceptance of mediocrity. I would rather the whole club and supporters made a wild statement that we all had to shave their heads if we lost to gold coast. At least that would create a common unity. I don't want to be credible, i want RFC TO BE INCREDIBLE!!
Coming from a guy who wants to draft Fev next year....... :wallywink
Just read what people say before making inane negative comments.
Credibility 0.
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This is the reason we've been crap for 30 years because of complete morons like this starting threads. How dumb can you get lol. So dumb that I feel like smashing them. Have you learnt a thing after all these years? Or are you that dumb that you'll make the same mistake over and over again for your whole life 8)
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This is the worst thread and totally typical of RFC losing mentality. I suppose you want Malthouse as a coach? What abt Sheedy or someone else? Hardwick is OK, the team mentality and club culture is the problem, the club the coach the administration the players need to change it. Sacking Hardwick is a typical knee jerk reaction, cut off the head of the beast?? You will only put another figurehead there waiting to be torn down and once again not consider the root causes of our losing culture and acceptance of mediocrity. I would rather the whole club and supporters made a wild statement that we all had to shave their heads if we lost to gold coast. At least that would create a common unity. I don't want to be credible, i want RFC TO BE INCREDIBLE!!
Hardwick has already said we are not good enough, doesn't that say it all ;D
And either is Hardwick
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This is the reason we've been crap for 30 years because of complete morons like this starting threads. How dumb can you get lol. So dumb that I feel like smashing them. Have you learnt a thing after all these years? Or are you that dumb that you'll make the same mistake over and over again for your whole life 8)
You seriously think that this is why we have been crap for 30 years? lol
Nothing to do with the actual blokes running the joint ey? ;D
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This is the reason we've been crap for 30 years because of complete morons like this starting threads. How dumb can you get lol. So dumb that I feel like smashing them. Have you learnt a thing after all these years? Or are you that dumb that you'll make the same mistake over and over again for your whole life 8)
Tell us what you really think!
Apart from the insults, i agree. I don't think starting threads like this is the cause for our lack of on field success but has every coach we have hired and then sacked since 1980 has been to blame for our failure?
The problems begin well above the coaching staff.
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This is the reason we've been crap for 30 years because of complete morons like this starting threads. How dumb can you get lol. So dumb that I feel like smashing them. Have you learnt a thing after all these years? Or are you that dumb that you'll make the same mistake over and over again for your whole life 8)
You seriously think that this is why we have been crap for 30 years? lol
Nothing to do with the actual bloke running the joint ey? ;D
Dont take it for granted that people at footy clubs actually know what there doing, as i can tell you, they dont
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Our players make mistakes that 16 year old kids wouldnt make in junior matches. Theres no coach that would be able to help them. These players are the cause of the damage - sack them not the coach who at least knows that we are not good enough. Over the last 30years we have had coaches who thought we were on our way and they never had a clue, at least Hardwick knows the reality.
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This is the reason we've been crap for 30 years because of complete morons like this starting threads. How dumb can you get lol. So dumb that I feel like smashing them. Have you learnt a thing after all these years? Or are you that dumb that you'll make the same mistake over and over again for your whole life 8)
You seriously think that this is why we have been crap for 30 years? lol
Nothing to do with the actual blokes running the joint ey? ;D
Alot of it has been the rubbish recruiters and lack of staff at the club. Wallace got blamed for this but he didn't have much say in the recruiting. The club picked up Oakleigh Nicholls without even seeing him play lol
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If Morris needs a shoulder reco at seasons (and any other players have major surgery which delays their preseason and ultimately affects their 2013 season) I will tell the club to jam my membership.
Bet you don't. ;D
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If Morris needs a shoulder reco at seasons (and any other players have major surgery which delays their preseason and ultimately affects their 2013 season) I will tell the club to jam my membership.
Bet you don't. ;D
No Im serious this time :lol
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i dont believe we should sack the coach.One of the things we need to do is see how other clubs do it.People here continually give it to the kangaroos.yet they are always there abouts .they drop for a year or 2 then bounce back..Why???The bulldogs is another one.They are down at the moment ,but you can bet your bottom dollar they will also bounce back.yet we drift along at the bottom.promicisng resurgence for a week or 2 then back to normal crap.
not that long ago Carlton were almost out for the count,after receiving a million dollar fine and not being able to participate in the draft properly,yet they have bounced back.Even last night ,some estimate they had 10 players out,yet won...Theres something amiss at our football club....i reckon its a soul
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I can't believe the comments on this topic! Eff me, we are the youngest list behind GC and GWS, we need to learn to win the close ones. It will come but bugger me at least we are in these games, in the past couple of years we weren't even close so I don't know why it's Hardwicks fault. We are on the right track.
Who was calling for Hardwick to be sacked when we beat Hawthorn by 10 goals and Sydney by 5? The facts are that we had virtually nil injuries then and showed what we are capable of, what is being exposed right now is our clear lack of depth.
The facts are that with injuries to Foley, Grimes, Vickery, Griffiths, Batchelor reveals that our 5 replacements just aren't up to it. We need to shore up our depth and hopefully that will happen this off season but let's not go crazy because of these last couple of results. I've seen enough to know that with another off season of strategic recruiting and another preseason for our youngsters that we will be a much better side in 2013.
Whilst I agree Hardwick could change things up a little, like last night move Riewoldt up to wing because hewas getting soundly beaten but unfortunately with our injuries we don't have enough talls to put forward if you take Jack out of there.
I know it's easy to say but we are on track, whilst its so disappointing to smell success but yet fall short, we are in the right place and I look forward to 2013.
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This is the reason we've been crap for 30 years because of complete morons like this starting threads. How dumb can you get lol. So dumb that I feel like smashing them. Have you learnt a thing after all these years? Or are you that dumb that you'll make the same mistake over and over again for your whole life 8)
You seriously think that this is why we have been crap for 30 years? lol
Nothing to do with the actual bloke running the joint ey? ;D
Dont take it for granted that people at footy clubs actually know what there doing, as i can tell you, they dont
Totoally agree, I cant believe the RFC ever hired you, like WTF went on there.
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I'm curious, what specific mistakes do you feel Hardwick has made?
I think perhaps he should have tried to flood the backline during the GC game but I remember he was having trouble even getting a message out to the players to get Cotch back on so getting a message out to flood would have been igh impossible particularly with Newman, Rance and Cotch instructing the young/panicked players to do so.
Is there some specific match day mistakes I have missed? :huh
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I'm curious, what specific mistakes do you feel Hardwick has made?
I think perhaps he should have tried to flood the backline during the GC game but I remember he was having trouble even getting a message out to the players to get Cotch back on so getting a message out to flood would have been igh impossible particularly with Newman, Rance and Cotch instructing the young/panicked players to do so.
Is there some specific match day mistakes I have missed? :huh
Plenty
No plan b to combat Petrie being isolated
No man on man in GC game
Playing Miller, Maric ahead of getting games into Elton and co
Jackson still in the leadership group
You may say these are not match day decisions but they effect the whole team
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All it needed was for a ruckman or tall to stand 10 metres in front of Petrie, but our players dont understand squat. A coach can only do so much. I reiterate, theres nothing any coach could do with the amount of unbelievable mistakes that our players make.
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I think all would have to agree that as Tigers supporters we want effort and if a loss follows then so be it. With the cattle out there at the moment its a case of running a V8 engine but only having four spark plugs, its always going to be difficult. As the list develops the close losses will turn into wins, sure there were some clangers last night but on the most part you couldn't fault the effort and the looks on players faces were testament to this.
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we havent improved
Culture is rubbish
The losses and the way we lose is terrible
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Ok i think many of us here agree that our club culture has been poo..how do we fix this?
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Ok i think many of us here agree that our club culture has been poo..how do we fix this?
We open a Crust Pizza franchise at Punt Road and all the supporters can get free Pizza ;D
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I think all would have to agree that as Tigers supporters we want effort and if a loss follows then so be it. With the cattle out there at the moment its a case of running a V8 engine but only having four spark plugs, its always going to be difficult. As the list develops the close losses will turn into wins, sure there were some clangers last night but on the most part you couldn't fault the effort and the looks on players faces were testament to this.
There not close losses. Thats just dumb football. They never learnt anything from the GWS game, The Gold Coast game, The Kangaroo game, Cut the rubbish we are a club who recruits players & play players who dont warrant games at any other clubs. l could cull that list & put better & smarter players on the park who play country football & show twice as much talent. Recruiting players like Conca, Ellis, who dont know whats around them & just plain hack the ball anywhere is a disgrace on professional football itself. WE PAY TO WATCH THIS YEARLY. l had enough & will not watch another live Richmond game this year cause l'm not wasting my money on unprofessional football. Gippsland Power would beat Richmond senior side
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Its not the young players that are the culprits its the players that heve been around a while.. mc guane to many stupid free kicks, grigg shirking it no defensive side to game wont chase, reiwolt sooking wont chase ,ego giving away to many frees , houli shirkes it, rance cant hit a target from 20m away to many turnovers and stupid free kicks , little maric not up to it, jackson cant hit a target at all,stupid free kicks reported to much. graham insipid.....coach appears to play favourites that dont earn games will eventually cost him his job
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I think all would have to agree that as Tigers supporters we want effort and if a loss follows then so be it. With the cattle out there at the moment its a case of running a V8 engine but only having four spark plugs, its always going to be difficult. As the list develops the close losses will turn into wins, sure there were some clangers last night but on the most part you couldn't fault the effort and the looks on players faces were testament to this.
There not close losses. Thats just dumb football. They never learnt anything from the GWS game, The Gold Coast game, The Kangaroo game, Cut the rubbish we are a club who recruits players & play players who dont warrant games at any other clubs. l could cull that list & put better & smarter players on the park who play country football & show twice as much talent. Recruiting players like Conca, Ellis, who dont know whats around them & just plain hack the ball anywhere is a disgrace on professional football itself. WE PAY TO WATCH THIS YEARLY. l had enough & will not watch another live Richmond game this year cause l'm not wasting my money on unprofessional football. Gippsland Power would beat Richmond senior side
Good can you stop posting on forums as well
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And either is Hardwick
FFS Jack get it right...
...the word to use is neither not either.
:lol
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All it needed was for a ruckman or tall to stand 10 metres in front of Petrie, but our players dont understand squat. A coach can only do so much. I reiterate, theres nothing any coach could do with the amount of unbelievable mistakes that our players make.
gee it would be nice if was so simple.
if the ruckman stands 10 m in front of petrie, who takes the center bounces? or do you expect maric to get from the center bounce to the backline quicker than ball.
in general play, if you leave maric permanetly stationed back there, who takes the ruck duties around the ground?
alternatively, which tall do you station 10m in front of petrie, leaving his man free elswhere to do as he wants?
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I think all would have to agree that as Tigers supporters we want effort and if a loss follows then so be it. With the cattle out there at the moment its a case of running a V8 engine but only having four spark plugs, its always going to be difficult. As the list develops the close losses will turn into wins, sure there were some clangers last night but on the most part you couldn't fault the effort and the looks on players faces were testament to this.
There not close losses. Thats just dumb football. They never learnt anything from the GWS game, The Gold Coast game, The Kangaroo game, Cut the rubbish we are a club who recruits players & play players who dont warrant games at any other clubs. l could cull that list & put better & smarter players on the park who play country football & show twice as much talent. Recruiting players like Conca, Ellis, who dont know whats around them & just plain hack the ball anywhere is a disgrace on professional football itself. WE PAY TO WATCH THIS YEARLY. l had enough & will not watch another live Richmond game this year cause l'm not wasting my money on unprofessional football. Gippsland Power would beat Richmond senior side
Good can you stop posting on forums as well
Chuck your just a stupid little boy, who just got put on my ignore list, cause you dont add anything to this forum thats worthwhile.
All you do is criticise & attack posters, run along & go play down centrelink. you got no idea about football
Little Boy should be seen & not heard. ;D
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The loss of Vickery(both to injury and or poor form)has been huge for us.Unfortunety neither graham or browne can cut the mustard
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Browne would have tried harder if given a chance.
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Have watched browne a fair bit in the magoos,and yes his efforts and second efforts are excellent.its just his skill level is horrible
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Hardwick saying he was not going to play players who wont play for the jumper & make them earn games hahaha what a joke
VFL / AFL football has always been just that at all other clubs. Made to earn a game of professional football. Most them lads would be cleaned up in my day. Some of them would never made it past screening. gutless weak footballers
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Gus highly skilled graham :whistle
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Hardwick saying he was not going to play players who wont play for the jumper & make them earn games hahaha what a joke
VFL / AFL football has always been just that at all other clubs. Made to earn a game of professional football. Most them lads would be cleaned up in my day. Some of them would never made it past screening. gutless weak footballers
Blah Blah who have we got to replace them with, is there another Coburg side full of gun players that I am not aware of.
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we havent improved
Culture is rubbish
The losses and the way we lose is terrible
u blind f head
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we havent improved
Culture is rubbish
The losses and the way we lose is terrible
u blind f head
mate Gippsland Power would beat us last 4 weeks ;D We need to recruit Akermanis haha
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I'm curious, what specific mistakes do you feel Hardwick has made?
I think perhaps he should have tried to flood the backline during the GC game but I remember he was having trouble even getting a message out to the players to get Cotch back on so getting a message out to flood would have been igh impossible particularly with Newman, Rance and Cotch instructing the young/panicked players to do so.
Is there some specific match day mistakes I have missed? :huh
It just interesting to see what people think when you throw out a provocation
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It aint Hardwicks fault.
If you all think Dimma is the problem then you are in fantasy land.
The list is bereft of quality under our top tier of players and once the subs come in when injuries hit it really exposes our side.
You cannot blame Dimma for the sins of 1982 or forcing us to Save Our Skins in 1990 or not signing Northey in 1995 or Spud in 2001 topping up after a Prelim or even and most pertinently having to strip the list back at the end of 2009.
If after two years when we haven't reached where many have wanted us to reach due to the magnitude of the job the incumbent coach has had to deal with and we sack him only for the new regime to spit out the same ambitions for the same result then all these coaches are doing in effect is like a pilot trying to control a plane in a phugoid cycle. See Japan Air Lines 123 boys.
If you want us to be that keep wishing for a sack of coach every two years where some duds will be retained merely b/c a coach needs to see the quality of the list.
Dimma cannot be blamed for last night or for the last 2.5 years. Even Malthouse in 2000 won his first five games after the Pies were wooden spooners in 1999 and yet finished 7-15 because their side was skata and yes even though they made a GF in 2002 laugh all you like where they ever going to win it. Betheras and co Premiership players. Ha you're all dreaming. Funny thing is you would have all been laughing like I was with Licuria crying on Micks shoulder that year and laughing even harder in 03 when they got beaten by 10 goals. The rebuild will take longer than you guys care to believe or want to believe and regardless of the calibre of coach it still will take time.
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Having Moore and McGaune inside F 50 in the last quarter tell me that the coaches are in dream land.
Seriously Kel Moore inside F 50
Why would you put Post up there :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Having Moore and McGaune inside F 50 in the last quarter tell me that the coaches are in dream land.
Seriously Kel Moore inside F 50
Why would you put Post up there :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Post was reasonable last night and was at least breaking even.
Kel Moore was nowhere. He was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
That move didn't lose us the game Jack. Take it easy pal. :thumbsup
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i dont believe we should sack the coach.One of the things we need to do is see how other clubs do it.People here continually give it to the kangaroos.yet they are always there abouts .they drop for a year or 2 then bounce back..Why???The bulldogs is another one.They are down at the moment ,but you can bet your bottom dollar they will also bounce back.yet we drift along at the bottom.promicisng resurgence for a week or 2 then back to normal crap.
not that long ago Carlton were almost out for the count,after receiving a million dollar fine and not being able to participate in the draft properly,yet they have bounced back.Even last night ,some estimate they had 10 players out,yet won...Theres something amiss at our football club....i reckon its a soul
it's a culture of mediocrtiy. Too many coaches have failed to identify this one issue and have settled with a close enough is good enough mentality.
Fix the culture and even the hacks play decent footy.
Fix the culture and fringe dwellers rise to the level when given an opportunity in the senior team.
Fix the culture and we win the games we should win.
Fix the culture and finals aren't just a dream.
Fix the culture and we win the close one when we are in front with a minute to go.
Fix the culture and we aren't having this discussion.
Demand excellence. Raise the standard. Don't accept any mistake. This is how you fix culture. The players that don't get on board won't stay and we will always be a ruthless team that demands success. And all else will fall into place.
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"The list is bereft of quality under our top tier of players and once the subs come in when injuries hit it really exposes our side" Spot on. Depth a real problem. Agree need to work on culture of the club. Do not want to be know as chockers under pressure. Good sides don't choke. Problem at the moment is every side in comp knows that if they are within a couple of goals of us they will win. Mentally we need to toughen up
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Yeah nah
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Dimma is ass with match ups and selections. Not convinced by him at all.
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While you are by and large right.
Dimma is not without blame. Drafting miller. Playing miller ahead of ypung prospects. His coaching efforts the last few months.
It aint Hardwicks fault.
If you all think Dimma is the problem then you are in fantasy land.
The list is bereft of quality under our top tier of players and once the subs come in when injuries hit it really exposes our side.
You cannot blame Dimma for the sins of 1982 or forcing us to Save Our Skins in 1990 or not signing Northey in 1995 or Spud in 2001 topping up after a Prelim or even and most pertinently having to strip the list back at the end of 2009.
If after two years when we haven't reached where many have wanted us to reach due to the magnitude of the job the incumbent coach has had to deal with and we sack him only for the new regime to spit out the same ambitions for the same result then all these coaches are doing in effect is like a pilot trying to control a plane in a phugoid cycle. See Japan Air Lines 123 boys.
If you want us to be that keep wishing for a sack of coach every two years where some duds will be retained merely b/c a coach needs to see the quality of the list.
Dimma cannot be blamed for last night or for the last 2.5 years. Even Malthouse in 2000 won his first five games after the Pies were wooden spooners in 1999 and yet finished 7-15 because their side was skata and yes even though they made a GF in 2002 laugh all you like where they ever going to win it. Betheras and co Premiership players. Ha you're all dreaming. Funny thing is you would have all been laughing like I was with Licuria crying on Micks shoulder that year and laughing even harder in 03 when they got beaten by 10 goals. The rebuild will take longer than you guys care to believe or want to believe and regardless of the calibre of coach it still will take time.
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It aint Hardwicks fault.
If you all think Dimma is the problem then you are in fantasy land.
The list is bereft of quality under our top tier of players and once the subs come in when injuries hit it really exposes our side.
You cannot blame Dimma for the sins of 1982 or forcing us to Save Our Skins in 1990 or not signing Northey in 1995 or Spud in 2001 topping up after a Prelim or even and most pertinently having to strip the list back at the end of 2009.
If after two years when we haven't reached where many have wanted us to reach due to the magnitude of the job the incumbent coach has had to deal with and we sack him only for the new regime to spit out the same ambitions for the same result then all these coaches are doing in effect is like a pilot trying to control a plane in a phugoid cycle. See Japan Air Lines 123 boys.
If you want us to be that keep wishing for a sack of coach every two years where some duds will be retained merely b/c a coach needs to see the quality of the list.
Dimma cannot be blamed for last night or for the last 2.5 years. Even Malthouse in 2000 won his first five games after the Pies were wooden spooners in 1999 and yet finished 7-15 because their side was skata and yes even though they made a GF in 2002 laugh all you like where they ever going to win it. Betheras and co Premiership players. Ha you're all dreaming. Funny thing is you would have all been laughing like I was with Licuria crying on Micks shoulder that year and laughing even harder in 03 when they got beaten by 10 goals. The rebuild will take longer than you guys care to believe or want to believe and regardless of the calibre of coach it still will take time.
Bingo :thumbsup
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Its not the young players that are the culprits its the players that heve been around a while.. mc guane to many stupid free kicks, grigg shirking it no defensive side to game wont chase, reiwolt sooking wont chase ,ego giving away to many frees , houli shirkes it, rance cant hit a target from 20m away to many turnovers and stupid free kicks , little maric not up to it, jackson cant hit a target at all,stupid free kicks reported to much. graham insipid.....coach appears to play favourites that dont earn games will eventually cost him his job
Bingo x 2
Also nice to see someone see in Grigg what I see ;D
Refusing to attack the Carlton bloke in the final qtr just near the corner of the centre square was costly so bloody costly
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I can't believe the comments on this topic! Eff me, we are the youngest list behind GC and GWS, we need to learn to win the close ones. It will come but bugger me at least we are in these games, in the past couple of years we weren't even close so I don't know why it's Hardwicks fault. We are on the right track.
Who was calling for Hardwick to be sacked when we beat Hawthorn by 10 goals and Sydney by 5? The facts are that we had virtually nil injuries then and showed what we are capable of, what is being exposed right now is our clear lack of depth.
The facts are that with injuries to Foley, Grimes, Vickery, Griffiths, Batchelor reveals that our 5 replacements just aren't up to it. We need to shore up our depth and hopefully that will happen this off season but let's not go crazy because of these last couple of results. I've seen enough to know that with another off season of strategic recruiting and another preseason for our youngsters that we will be a much better side in 2013.
Whilst I agree Hardwick could change things up a little, like last night move Riewoldt up to wing because hewas getting soundly beaten but unfortunately with our injuries we don't have enough talls to put forward if you take Jack out of there.
I know it's easy to say but we are on track, whilst its so disappointing to smell success but yet fall short, we are in the right place and I look forward to 2013.
Bingo x 3
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it aint Hardwicks fault yet in hindsight,his tactical moves at crucial points of the matches aren't either.
rubbish.
Coach has to wear it
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Its not the young players that are the culprits its the players that heve been around a while.. mc guane to many stupid free kicks, grigg shirking it no defensive side to game wont chase, reiwolt sooking wont chase ,ego giving away to many frees , houli shirkes it, rance cant hit a target from 20m away to many turnovers and stupid free kicks , little maric not up to it, jackson cant hit a target at all,stupid free kicks reported to much. graham insipid.....coach appears to play favourites that dont earn games will eventually cost him his job
Bingo x 2
Also nice to see someone see in Grigg what I see ;D
Refusing to attack the Carlton bloke in the final qtr just near the corner of the centre square was costly so bloody costly
Houli is squib 1 did it last week and this week I am off the leash on him.
Grigg Members stand side of the wing last quarter needed to go went in and made sure he didn't get hurt that was his first objective wheraea Carlton player made the ball his and they got a goal.
Squib.
Now I recall the Melbourne incident last year when he let the ball run out rather than take the hit.
Squib.
Outside player that has played his role well in a midfield of Foley Tuck Cotch Dusty who are extractors and he compliments them well as an outside runner as he under those circumstances gets no attention: but in a tight tough close desperate game when acts of courage and bravery mean more than anything alas Griggy is about as tough as an ice cream in a closed car on a dashboard on a hot day. Melt melt melt. Squib.
As Billy Ocean sang "when the going gets tough the tough get going, when the going gets rough the rough get tough"
Tuckerbags version "when the going gets tough this squibs get going when the going gets rough the squibs have had enough"
Houli- Squib 1
Grigg- Squib 2
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it aint Hardwicks fault yet in hindsight,his tactical moves at crucial points of the matches aren't either.
rubbish.
Coach has to wear it
Kel Moore is a good forward and has proven that in his 10 year AFL career.
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Your not giving my post a bingo WP.
You think Culture hasn't got anything to do with the real reason we have been so crap for so long?
I think it's still the most pressing issue at the club.
Culture that demands excellence will make a lesser player better. We don't lose the unlosable. Etc etc.
If this isn't fixed even with more list turnovers or a perceived greater playing depth will all come to nothing and before you know it the careers of great players like Cotchin or Delidio etc. will be wasted on our club.
Coaches make a difference and hopefully hardwick may still do it but unless he addresses this issue I can see us rebuilding under a new coach in 2 years.
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Your not giving my post a bingo WP.
You think Culture hasn't got anything to do with the real reason we have been so crap for so long?
I think it's still the most pressing issue at the club.
Culture that demands excellence will make a lesser player better. We don't lose the unlosable. Etc etc.
If this isn't fixed even with more list turnovers or a perceived greater playing depth will all come to nothing and before you know it the careers of great players like Cotchin or Delidio etc. will be wasted on our club.
Coaches make a difference and hopefully hardwick may still do it but unless he addresses this issue I can see us rebuilding under a new coach in 2 years.
You think Culture hasn't got anything to do with the real reason we have been so crap for so long?
I think it's still the most pressing issue at the club.
Culture that demands excellence will make a lesser player better. We don't lose the unlosable. Etc etc.
If this isn't fixed even with more list turnovers or a perceived greater playing depth will all come to nothing and before you know it the careers of great players like Cotchin or Delidio etc. will be wasted on our club.
Coaches make a difference and hopefully hardwick may still do it but unless he addresses this issue I can see us rebuilding under a new coach in 2 years.
You cannot blame culture on Hardwick Mr Tigra.
Can you blame Dimma for the decisions made post 1982 GF and the club falling into decay with Save Our SKins by 1990.
Can you blame Dimma for not getting NOrthey signed and for Walls and Gieche shortcomings or for Spud and Wallace? No you can't.
To be even fair and objective on Dimma and Benny Gale they will be judged accordingly when their tenures are over and to be even fairer two months ago wasn't it the same culture that had us with a full list knocking on the door of the 8 with inspiration wins and performances.
Whilst culture yes has been an issue to blame the culture here and now today this very second you read this on Dimma and Gale is derelict and downright and unfair on a regime that in the last 30 years have engaged in initiatives that no regime since Graham Richmond in the mid 60's has decided to embark upon to make this club great once again.
Each to their own but you can't go from whining about culture and blaming that and then blaming the culture on a list that has players who have as much character as old squishy bathroom rug thanks to a previous regime who pillaged the then bereft resources of the RFC to line their pockets with the then little available spare money who left the club in a worse financial state than what we were in 2004 when the previous regime walked out the door.
It's so easy to lay the blame on something to find the pinpoint cause and work out from that to where you are is even harder. To just blame culture is just a superficial and easy answer to make right now on though partially right it will require alot more elaboration and content to make this right and find the root cuase of this issue.
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May need merge the two Sack Hardwick threads together!
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The club has very low standards. Our club chases players like Houli and Grigg. When I said at the time of their recruitment that they were C grade footballers at best, I was attacked, that we won the trades because we paid less.
I got some news boys - when you trade like for like and what your trading out, your happy to trade out - then what you get in isnt going to produce the results you want.
Our club lacks ambition. Too many people at Richmond getting paid big dollars and produce rubbish results and then we all sit around and blame the coach who has done a massive job, people have forgotten that hes cleared out 30 blokes in two and half years, and he still has about 12 players to go. Thats the list he found. It was crap when he came and its still got a massive way to go.
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The club has very low standards. Our club chases players like Houli and Grigg. When I said at the time of their recruitment that they were C grade footballers at best, I was attacked, that we won the trades because we paid less.
I got some news boys - when you trade like for like and what your trading out, your happy to trade out - then what you get in isnt going to produce the results you want.
Our club lacks ambition. Too many people at Richmond getting paid big dollars and produce rubbish results and then we all sit around and blame the coach who has done a massive job, people have forgotten that hes cleared out 30 blokes in two and half years, and he still has about 12 players to go. Thats the list he found. It was crap when he came and its still got a massive way to go.
l like this post of yours 10 Flagons ;D Wallace was claiming the rewards on recruited list he left. Not long to go till they all gone apart from Deledio
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Your not giving my post a bingo WP.
You think Culture hasn't got anything to do with the real reason we have been so crap for so long?
I think it's still the most pressing issue at the club.
Culture that demands excellence will make a lesser player better. We don't lose the unlosable. Etc etc.
If this isn't fixed even with more list turnovers or a perceived greater playing depth will all come to nothing and before you know it the careers of great players like Cotchin or Delidio etc. will be wasted on our club.
Coaches make a difference and hopefully hardwick may still do it but unless he addresses this issue I can see us rebuilding under a new coach in 2 years.
Not disputing the issue of culture having a bearing on the club Mr Tigra but I'm like Tucker I don't think you can blame the current regime for ills of the last 30 years.
Yes we need to get a winning culture in the place but before you can have a winning culture you need a team that is going to win on a regular basis. That is a team that isn't going to rely on a handful of players week after week.
But I think suggesting that Hardwick isnt trying to change it is just wrong. Also expecting it to have change in 3 years is simply to realistic
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Your not giving my post a bingo WP.
You think Culture hasn't got anything to do with the real reason we have been so crap for so long?
I think it's still the most pressing issue at the club.
Culture that demands excellence will make a lesser player better. We don't lose the unlosable. Etc etc.
If this isn't fixed even with more list turnovers or a perceived greater playing depth will all come to nothing and before you know it the careers of great players like Cotchin or Delidio etc. will be wasted on our club.
Coaches make a difference and hopefully hardwick may still do it but unless he addresses this issue I can see us rebuilding under a new coach in 2 years.
Not disputing the issue of culture having a bearing on the club Mr Tigra but I'm like Tucker I don't think you can blame the current regime for ills of the last 30 years.
Yes we need to get a winning culture in the place but before you can have a winning culture you need a team that is going to win on a regular basis. That is a team that isn't going to rely on a handful of players week after week.
But I think suggesting that Hardwick isnt trying to change it is just wrong. Also expecting it to have change in 3 years is simply to realistic
I've never blamed the current regime for the ills of the last 30 years. I'm blaming the current regime for not addressing this issue as yet. I know that Benny Gale had done alot off field and Hardwick seems to have done some good things already better than any regime at any time since 1982 but for them to not seemingly fix this one issue when as a club has been the issue for the last 30 years has me baffled.
I personally think Benny has done an excellent job thus far but in Hardwicks case we all look from afar and hope to see change. The fruits of change aren't losing unlosable games. There's absolutely no excuses for losing that game and the game against freo and last nights game against the blues. These losses are just not acceptable but it still is happening which begs the question. Why?
People can blame injuries, playing surface, umpires, location,etc. But facts are facts we continue to lose these games. So what has changed on field?
.... It makes me wonder.
I like all of use are fearful of what might happen again. And that is another rebuild in 2-3 years if they don't get this thing right. And by what I see things haven't changed on field.
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if the culture was so bad , we would still be getting the floggings we got under wallace, not constantly loosing close games.
while still not good enough its a step in the right direction.
some people seem to think that it is as easy as switching a switch, but anyone that has played competitve sport at an any level knows its not that simple
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if the culture was so bad , we would still be getting the floggings we got under wallace, not constantly loosing close games.
while still not good enough its a step in the right direction.
some people seem to think that it is as easy as switching a switch, but anyone that has played competitve sport at an any level knows its not that simple
it's as easy as demanding a high standard and not accepting anything less.
I played at 3 clubs. One club didn't have a high standard of achievement and I was a regular player in that team because of the lack of standards.
I played at another club which was ruthless with the playing group and I only played 5 senior games for that team. The last club I played for the coach got sacked mid way through the year and the new coach was completly different with his standards compared to the sacked coach we weren't allowed to make a mistake at training and we were severly punished as a group if anyone made a mistake.
We made finals that year when it didn't look possible.
A coach can make a huge difference but he needs to demand it and not accept anything less.
From what I see Hardwick has lesser standards than what Clarkson has.
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What about Hirds standards?
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if the culture was so bad , we would still be getting the floggings we got under wallace, not constantly loosing close games.
while still not good enough its a step in the right direction.
some people seem to think that it is as easy as switching a switch, but anyone that has played competitve sport at an any level knows its not that simple
it's as easy as demanding a high standard and not accepting anything less.
I played at 3 clubs. One club didn't have a high standard of achievement and I was a regular player in that team because of the lack of standards.
I played at another club which was ruthless with the playing group and I only played 5 senior games for that team. The last club I played for the coach got sacked mid way through the year and the new coach was completly different with his standards compared to the sacked coach we weren't allowed to make a mistake at training and we were severly punished as a group if anyone made a mistake.
We made finals that year when it didn't look possible.
A coach can make a huge difference but he needs to demand it and not accept anything less.
From what I see Hardwick has lesser standards than what Clarkson has.
That sounds as much about the quality of the players rather than the standards.
you can cry all you want about not accepting mediorcicy, but you will never ever turn someone like mcguane into a top line footballer, no matter how many times you make the team do push ups because he misses a target at training or any other stupidity you want to come up with.
we are scraping the bottom of the barrel and asking a lot of 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players because of the cleanouts we have had and injuries/ suspensions.
Until we get blokes ranked 22-28 on the list that can can step up when needed, once we go away from our best 22 you will not get near top line performance.
No amout of wailing, magic wand waving, self flagellation or incantation chanting will change that.
The fact that you could not stand up to the higher standard required when in the better teams, should highlight this to you.
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The club has sold its FTF message 19th man message and all that crap. Rather than look and try and make the Essendon home game in Round 22 as the clubs GF after the great success in the way it marketed last nights game as the clubs final the club needs to the right thing long term by the fans the players it is looking to keep on the list next year and the club itself.
Anyone who has niggles in for an op.
Ivan have an op now and be ready for pre season in early November. No point waiting till early September and then add end of season break and start pre season in December.
Anyone who has niggles have a break and pull the pin.
Play the kids as many as we can.
With a full list we have shown some great signs our focus from now has to be ROund 1 next year against the Filth and preparing for that, getting those with injuries right and ensuring that our trade and draft weeks are successful and we find the right player for the list deficiency we have. A couple of boys in the draft who can step right in like Ellis or Morris would be more than handy.
The club's reputation is a t stake or whatever is left of it anyway according to some. ;D
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Haven't shown signs of anything except for an ability to lose the impossible on a consistent basis.
A Carlton reserve team without Judd against a near complete richmond list. Carlton didn't cry we can't win because we have no depth. Ratten was up and about because he knew that Hardwick would do everything possible to save his (Rattens) career.
We added Maric, Morris, and Tuck to the senior line up this year. That's the difference between the 10 goal losses and close losses. There have been no other improvements to complement that. Hardwick has done nothing except for correcting the ridiculous decision not to play Tuck last year. Still umming and ahhing about signing him up again.
The Richmond media circus has to keep pushing the message "improvement". This is the best list we have had for a very long time. If we really had improved, we wouldn't need the club to sell us the message, it would be blatantly obvious. We would be playing finals.
You add Cloke and Malthouse to this line up and we will be a top 4 side next year, not in 10 years time.
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Haven't shown signs of anything except for an ability to lose the impossible on a consistent basis.
A Carlton reserve team without Judd against a near complete richmond list. Carlton didn't cry we can't win because we have no depth. Ratten was up and about because he knew that Hardwick would do everything possible to save his (Rattens) career.
We added Maric, Morris, and Tuck to the senior line up this year. That's the difference between the 10 goal losses and close losses. There have been no other improvements to complement that. Hardwick has done nothing except for correcting he ridiculous decision not to play Tuck last year. Still umming and ahhing about signing him up again.
The Richmond media circus has to keep pushing the message "improvement". This is the best list we have had for a very long time. If we really had improved, we wouldn't need the club to sell us the message, it would be blatantly obvious. We would be playing finals.
You add Cloke and Malthouse to this line up and we will be a top 4 side next year, not in 10 years time.
Sure we will
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I'm almost convinced now that our club needs to finally be really aggresive in the post season,and really chase a big name player that can not only contribute to the list but also set the standard
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if the culture was so bad , we would still be getting the floggings we got under wallace, not constantly loosing close games.
while still not good enough its a step in the right direction.
Yep, pity the irony was lost in the OP
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The club has very low standards. Our club chases players like Houli and Grigg. When I said at the time of their recruitment that they were C grade footballers at best, I was attacked, that we won the trades because we paid less.
I got some news boys - when you trade like for like and what your trading out, your happy to trade out - then what you get in isnt going to produce the results you want.
Our club lacks ambition. Too many people at Richmond getting paid big dollars and produce rubbish results and then we all sit around and blame the coach who has done a massive job, people have forgotten that hes cleared out 30 blokes in two and half years, and he still has about 12 players to go. Thats the list he found. It was crap when he came and its still got a massive way to go.
lol your right houli and grigg are c graders they cost nothing and replaced very obvious d graders thus lifting the overall standard of the list. isnt that what its about. with early picks chase quality with later picks look for improvement.
anyone who bunnies about us getting houli and grigg have nfi what ever. Geez sake houli cost a psd pick one of those picks like a rookie pick when used on kids fails at all clubs 90% of the time
nason and webberley are both upgrades on duds they cost nothing and the simple fact is we value add again when we cut them.
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if the culture was so bad , we would still be getting the floggings we got under wallace, not constantly loosing close games.
while still not good enough its a step in the right direction.
some people seem to think that it is as easy as switching a switch, but anyone that has played competitve sport at an any level knows its not that simple
it's as easy as demanding a high standard and not accepting anything less.
I played at 3 clubs. One club didn't have a high standard of achievement and I was a regular player in that team because of the lack of standards.
I played at another club which was ruthless with the playing group and I only played 5 senior games for that team. The last club I played for the coach got sacked mid way through the year and the new coach was completly different with his standards compared to the sacked coach we weren't allowed to make a mistake at training and we were severly punished as a group if anyone made a mistake.
We made finals that year when it didn't look possible.
A coach can make a huge difference but he needs to demand it and not accept anything less.
From what I see Hardwick has lesser standards than what Clarkson has.
That sounds as much about the quality of the players rather than the standards.
you can cry all you want about not accepting mediorcicy, but you will never ever turn someone like mcguane into a top line footballer, no matter how many times you make the team do push ups because he misses a target at training or any other stupidity you want to come up with.
we are scraping the bottom of the barrel and asking a lot of 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players because of the cleanouts we have had and injuries/ suspensions.
Until we get blokes ranked 22-28 on the list that can can step up when needed, once we go away from our best 22 you will not get near top line performance.
No amout of wailing, magic wand waving, self flagellation or incantation chanting will change that.
The fact that you could not stand up to the higher standard required when in the better teams, should highlight this to you.
Culture change is all encompassing Al.
I couldn't make the good team because I wasn't good enough and very lazy but the last team I played for when the new coach arrived made me a better player because I knew if I didn't reach the new coaches standards I wouldn't get a game. I decided to finally work my arse off to make the team. Did it make me a better player? Absolutely.
I agree that Mcguane isn't a good player. The question needs to be asked why is he still there. Did they see something? Did they think he could be a KPP we needed? Why has it taken so long to get rid of him?
The club has already turned of 2/3rds of it's list which is great but without raising the standard of excellence and demanding perfection will these new players ever rise to the heights they're capable?
If you accept less or have low standards then we continue to wait for the Mcguane's on our list to make it when they're never going to.
But when the standard is high lesser player lift. Won't shirk responsibility, won't pull out of contests, won't make fundamental mistakes, won't lose the unlosable game in Cairns. Etc etc.
how do you explain the loss last night when we are infront with minutes to go?
How do explain losing to GC when it was almost impossible to lose?
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the reason why mcguane was kept. so that when we got to a postion like this we at least had some senior, mature body to play when we got desperate.
but your last two questions are pertinent.
the bottom line, is that collectively, as a team, we were not mature, or experienced enough to nail these games.
you could even say that we were not mentally strong enough, but unless you are a simple black and white person, that does not mean mentally week. if we were mentally week, like under wallace we would not even have been in that position. the game would have been lost long before then.
we still need to toughen up mentally, yes, but if the players have the strength of character, they will learn from these experiences, they will learn not to go into their shells but to continue doing what they did to get into this postition to start with.
we have very few on field leaders, of the true sense, and even fewer that have the experience behind them required to show the young blokes the way. this means they only learn the hard way.
if in twelve months time we are still in exactly the same postion, i will be the first to admit there is a problem, but right now the fact we get into this position, rather than turn turtle completely once the pressure is applied shows improvement.
some cant and some dont want to see that. fine. i cant stop people from being miserable gits
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the reason why mcguane was kept. so that when we got to a postion like this we at least had some senior, mature body to play when we got desperate.
but your last two questions are pertinent.
the bottom line, is that collectively, as a team, we were not mature, or experienced enough to nail these games.
you could even say that we were not mentally strong enough, but unless you are a simple black and white person, that does not mean mentally week. if we were mentally week, like under wallace we would not even have been in that position. the game would have been lost long before then.
we still need to toughen up mentally, yes, but if the players have the strength of character, they will learn from these experiences, they will learn not to go into their shells but to continue doing what they did to get into this postition to start with.
we have very few on field leaders, of the true sense, and even fewer that have the experience behind them required to show the young blokes the way. this means they only learn the hard way.
if in twelve months time we are still in exactly the same postion, i will be the first to admit there is a problem, but right now the fact we get into this position, rather than turn turtle completely once the pressure is applied shows improvement.
some cant and some dont want to see that. fine. i cant stop people from being miserable gits
I really really really hope that next year we are playing finals. I really really really hope I'm completely wrong and there is no culture problem.
But it's all I see at the minute because it's exactly what the club is showing me by the fruits of their actions.
I really really really hope next year we aren't in this position because if we are then I think it'll be plainly obvious to all that culture is the only issue that hasn't been addressed and we will have missed the boat again.
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Al how do you explain Carlton having 10 senior players out and yet still finding a way to win?
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Haven't shown signs of anything except for an ability to lose the impossible on a consistent basis.
A Carlton reserve team without Judd against a near complete richmond list. Carlton didn't cry we can't win because we have no depth. Ratten was up and about because he knew that Hardwick would do everything possible to save his (Rattens) career.
We added Maric, Morris, and Tuck to the senior line up this year. That's the difference between the 10 goal losses and close losses. There have been no other improvements to complement that. Hardwick has done nothing except for correcting the ridiculous decision not to play Tuck last year. Still umming and ahhing about signing him up again.
The Richmond media circus has to keep pushing the message "improvement". This is the best list we have had for a very long time. If we really had improved, we wouldn't need the club to sell us the message, it would be blatantly obvious. We would be playing finals.
You add Cloke and Malthouse to this line up and we will be a top 4 side next year, not in 10 years time.
Totally agree
Cant believe the grief they put Tuck through.
Have just watched press conferece after the game as Hardwick say " he needs to improve.
WTF :banghead
IMPROVEMENT is measured by RESULTS, not PROGRESS !!!!!
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my god you love yourself
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Haven't shown signs of anything except for an ability to lose the impossible on a consistent basis.
A Carlton reserve team without Judd against a near complete richmond list. Carlton didn't cry we can't win because we have no depth. Ratten was up and about because he knew that Hardwick would do everything possible to save his (Rattens) career.
We added Maric, Morris, and Tuck to the senior line up this year. That's the difference between the 10 goal losses and close losses. There have been no other improvements to complement that. Hardwick has done nothing except for correcting the ridiculous decision not to play Tuck last year. Still umming and ahhing about signing him up again.
The Richmond media circus has to keep pushing the message "improvement". This is the best list we have had for a very long time. If we really had improved, we wouldn't need the club to sell us the message, it would be blatantly obvious. We would be playing finals.
You add Cloke and Malthouse to this line up and we will be a top 4 side next year, not in 10 years time.
Totally agree
Cant believe the grief they put Tuck through.
Have just watched press conferece after the game as Hardwick say " he needs to improve.
WTF :banghead
IMPROVEMENT is measured by RESULTS, not PROGRESS !!!!!
Improvement is measured by results then what is progress developed by?
Development?
Systemic Structures?
Depth of Resource?
Innovation through change and continuous development?
Enhancing the overall product?
or
Sacking the rookie coach?
Blaming the poor culture of the last 30 years on bloke that has to strip back on resources who cannot do a job due to their inferior quality.
Blaming a rookie coach who has come from a winning culture(s) Essendon Port and Hawthorn and trying to implement some of that on a club who has had no culture in 30 years.
Blaming a rookie coach who in an era of compromised drafts has had to use all the nous he has to get the list as competitive as he can.
Once the finger has been pointed squarely at the club pointing it at individuals in their first and second year at the club 18 and 19 year old kids because its easier to point the finger at them and claim the sky is falling than being repetitive and pointing the finger at the blokes who have failed the club so often over and over again.
Or blaming a rookie coach who had to pick up the pieces of a debaucherous previous regime and has not had the opportunity to break the shackles as yet because the job has been so enourmous that his predecessor should have been banned from even talking about us for life.
Back to my question what is progress measured by. Give me the KPI on that. :thumbsup
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At what stage do some of you spinless jellyfish think it's ok to stop blaming past coaches and lists and start looking at whats going on now!
So sick of hearing excuses for Dimma. The facts are, our best players this year were either on our list before Hardwick got the job (Lids, Cotch, Foley, Jack, Rance, Edwards Tuck, Newman) or traded players from other clubs (Maric, Grigg and Bacha) or a mature age kid from a state league (Morris) Most of the rest are a disgrace!
How's our development going under Hardwick? Or is that Wallace's fault as well??
And if any of you think Ellis and Conca are travelling ok then you obviously don't know anything about the game. Both have been terrible!! And i don't give a shyt how many games they have played or their ages- they are both useless the way they are going.
Now i don't think we should sack Hardwick but FFS he has to be held accountable at some stage!!
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we havent improved
Culture is rubbish
The losses and the way we lose is terrible
so you would prefer thrashings. :lol
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Al how do you explain Carlton having 10 senior players out and yet still finding a way to win?
because at full strength they were regarded as a top 4 side. overall they have more experienced and mature players to carry younger players.
they are not relying on 1st 2nd and 3rd year players like we are.
when you start at a higher base level, you dont drop off as far.
you could really go in circles with this, like pointing out that a couple of weeks ago west coast had 3 senior players out and got belted by 10 goals at home. what do we read into that?
Geelong is probably the one to look at though. look at how much easier it for them to slot youngsters alongside experienced and mature players, where the youngsters can feed of them, rather than be expected to step up and be major contributors for the team.
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because at full strength they were regarded as a top 4 side. overall they have more experienced and mature players to carry younger players.
What a load of apologetic waffle. They weren't even half strength. Our senior team lost to their baby team and still you make excuses. Lets not forget the loss to GCS. If you don't expect to beat these teams, then you need to raise your expectations above mediocrity. A 5 goal win against Carlton would have been a disappointing result. To actually lose is sublimely stupid.
What did Hardwick do to stop Murphy from running free and absolutely destroy us? Why did Carlton have so many loose players all over the ground when we were up by 13 points.. AGAIN. Let me repeat. AGAIN.
Forget from year to year. We don't improve from week to week. Whatever you think of Hardwick, he cannot coach on match day. That is enough reason to sack him. All his other failing are just icing on a very bitter burnt cake.
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The club has very low standards. Our club chases players like Houli and Grigg. When I said at the time of their recruitment that they were C grade footballers at best, I was attacked, that we won the trades because we paid less.
I got some news boys - when you trade like for like and what your trading out, your happy to trade out - then what you get in isnt going to produce the results you want.
Our club lacks ambition. Too many people at Richmond getting paid big dollars and produce rubbish results and then we all sit around and blame the coach who has done a massive job, people have forgotten that hes cleared out 30 blokes in two and half years, and he still has about 12 players to go. Thats the list he found. It was crap when he came and its still got a massive way to go.
lol your right houli and grigg are c graders they cost nothing and replaced very obvious d graders thus lifting the overall standard of the list. isnt that what its about. with early picks chase quality with later picks look for improvement.
anyone who bunnies about us getting houli and grigg have nfi what ever. Geez sake houli cost a psd pick one of those picks like a rookie pick when used on kids fails at all clubs 90% of the time
nason and webberley are both upgrades on duds they cost nothing and the simple fact is we value add again when we cut them.
I never said anything about Nason or Webberley anywhere in my post. As for Houli and Grigg, I never rated them as footballers to start with.
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because at full strength they were regarded as a top 4 side. overall they have more experienced and mature players to carry younger players.
What a load of apologetic waffle. They weren't even half strength. Our senior team lost to their baby team and still you make excuses. Lets not forget the loss to GCS. If you don't expect to beat these teams, then you need to raise your expectations above mediocrity. A 5 goal win against Carlton would have been a disappointing result. To actually lose is sublimely stupid.
What did Hardwick do to stop Murphy from running free and absolutely destroy us? Why did Carlton have so many loose players all over the ground when we were up by 13 points.. AGAIN. Let me repeat. AGAIN.
Forget from year to year. We don't improve from week to week. Whatever you think of Hardwick, he cannot coach on match day. That is enough reason to sack him. All his other failing are just icing on a very bitter burnt cake.
our senior team? sure!
besides that lie, the rest of your rant has nothing to do with what i said. slag off if you want, but at least address what i said.
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our senior team? sure!
besides that lie, the rest of your rant has nothing to do with what i said. slag off if you want, but at least address what i said.
Waffle on a bit more about Carlton's full strength team and how that makes their reserve team better than our senior team. If that helps you sleep at night, it was addressed. I can't help it if you didn't like the answer.
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you dont think that sides with more depth cover injuries/suspension better than those with less depth?
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While you are by and large right.
Dimma is not without blame. Drafting miller. Playing miller ahead of ypung prospects. His coaching efforts the last few months.
It aint Hardwicks fault.
If you all think Dimma is the problem then you are in fantasy land.
The list is bereft of quality under our top tier of players and once the subs come in when injuries hit it really exposes our side.
You cannot blame Dimma for the sins of 1982 or forcing us to Save Our Skins in 1990 or not signing Northey in 1995 or Spud in 2001 topping up after a Prelim or even and most pertinently having to strip the list back at the end of 2009.
If after two years when we haven't reached where many have wanted us to reach due to the magnitude of the job the incumbent coach has had to deal with and we sack him only for the new regime to spit out the same ambitions for the same result then all these coaches are doing in effect is like a pilot trying to control a plane in a phugoid cycle. See Japan Air Lines 123 boys.
If you want us to be that keep wishing for a sack of coach every two years where some duds will be retained merely b/c a coach needs to see the quality of the list.
Dimma cannot be blamed for last night or for the last 2.5 years. Even Malthouse in 2000 won his first five games after the Pies were wooden spooners in 1999 and yet finished 7-15 because their side was skata and yes even though they made a GF in 2002 laugh all you like where they ever going to win it. Betheras and co Premiership players. Ha you're all dreaming. Funny thing is you would have all been laughing like I was with Licuria crying on Micks shoulder that year and laughing even harder in 03 when they got beaten by 10 goals. The rebuild will take longer than you guys care to believe or want to believe and regardless of the calibre of coach it still will take time.
of course hes made mistakes and continues to do so. only a fool would argue he hasnt. but surely we expected mistakes from a rookie coach with a poo list. hes probably making half of it up as he goes. all i can say is get used to it he will make plenty more but thats okay by me as long as he learns from them.
at the end of the day there are only two reasons why this thread exists.
some fools overrate the list and expected finals and are bitter. or theres some real fishermen on this site. me i reckon its the former seems most just dont have the intelligence to form a balanced opinion.
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I go with the former as well although a throw a bit of mental instability in with the foolishness
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While you are by and large right.
Dimma is not without blame. Drafting miller. Playing miller ahead of ypung prospects. His coaching efforts the last few months.
It aint Hardwicks fault.
If you all think Dimma is the problem then you are in fantasy land.
The list is bereft of quality under our top tier of players and once the subs come in when injuries hit it really exposes our side.
You cannot blame Dimma for the sins of 1982 or forcing us to Save Our Skins in 1990 or not signing Northey in 1995 or Spud in 2001 topping up after a Prelim or even and most pertinently having to strip the list back at the end of 2009.
If after two years when we haven't reached where many have wanted us to reach due to the magnitude of the job the incumbent coach has had to deal with and we sack him only for the new regime to spit out the same ambitions for the same result then all these coaches are doing in effect is like a pilot trying to control a plane in a phugoid cycle. See Japan Air Lines 123 boys.
If you want us to be that keep wishing for a sack of coach every two years where some duds will be retained merely b/c a coach needs to see the quality of the list.
Dimma cannot be blamed for last night or for the last 2.5 years. Even Malthouse in 2000 won his first five games after the Pies were wooden spooners in 1999 and yet finished 7-15 because their side was skata and yes even though they made a GF in 2002 laugh all you like where they ever going to win it. Betheras and co Premiership players. Ha you're all dreaming. Funny thing is you would have all been laughing like I was with Licuria crying on Micks shoulder that year and laughing even harder in 03 when they got beaten by 10 goals. The rebuild will take longer than you guys care to believe or want to believe and regardless of the calibre of coach it still will take time.
of course hes made mistakes and continues to do so. only a fool would argue he hasnt. but surely we expected mistakes from a rookie coach with a poo list. hes probably making half of it up as he goes. all i can say is get used to it he will make plenty more but thats okay by me as long as he learns from them.
at the end of the day there are only two reasons why this thread exists.
some fools overrate the list and expected finals and are bitter. or theres some real fishermen on this site. me i reckon its the former seems most just dont have the intelligence to form a balanced opinion.
some get caught up in the emotion of it all.
then for unforseen reason slip on their
rose colour glasses.
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of course hes made mistakes and continues to do so. only a fool would argue he hasnt. but surely we expected mistakes from a rookie coach with a poo list. hes probably making half of it up as he goes. all i can say is get used to it he will make plenty more but thats okay by me as long as he learns from them.
at the end of the day there are only two reasons why this thread exists.
some fools overrate the list and expected finals and are bitter. or theres some real fishermen on this site. me i reckon its the former seems most just dont have the intelligence to form a balanced opinion.
The Richmond Football Club expected finals this year. General football media expected more from Richmond. Hardwick expected more. I guess that makes them fools by your criteria.
The amount you have been arguing and making excuses for him, would make you a fool by your criteria.
I guess you are a fool living in a world of fools. I hope its a happy place.
There is a simple solution to a rookie coach continuing to make the same mistakes three years on. Replace him with Mick Malthouse. That's the point of this thread. You have done a good job of clarifying it.
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. General football media expected more from Richmond.
Did they really?
Was that at the start of the season or after we beat Hawthorn or St Kilda
IIRC there were very few had a us playing finals (perhaps 1 or 2), most were tipping us to finish between 10-12 with about 10-11 wins
The media's expectations fo any side change on a week to week basis ;D
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Have to hand it to the geniuses that reckon Malthouse is knocking down the front door to take over.
Inb4 "club wasted my FTF money to pay out dimsim to get this geriatric :banghead"
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of course hes made mistakes and continues to do so. only a fool would argue he hasnt. but surely we expected mistakes from a rookie coach with a poo list. hes probably making half of it up as he goes. all i can say is get used to it he will make plenty more but thats okay by me as long as he learns from them.
at the end of the day there are only two reasons why this thread exists.
some fools overrate the list and expected finals and are bitter. or theres some real fishermen on this site. me i reckon its the former seems most just dont have the intelligence to form a balanced opinion.
The Richmond Football Club expected finals this year. General football media expected more from Richmond. Hardwick expected more. I guess that makes them fools by your criteria.
The amount you have been arguing and making excuses for him, would make you a fool by your criteria.
I guess you are a fool living in a world of fools. I hope its a happy place.
There is a simple solution to a rookie coach continuing to make the same mistakes three years on. Replace him with Mick Malthouse. That's the point of this thread. You have done a good job of clarifying it.
na naieve supporters expected finals. those same supporters who ignore basic things like depth experience age and quality. that would make em fools.
those same foolish supporters who thinks coaches dont make mitakes least of all rookie coaches and then bleat like pigs because a rookie coach makes a few mistakes as he goes.
if you think mick would have done any better and been mistake free with the current list you truly are deluded.
just for the record the clubs clearly stated aim aim was to make finals just as it is for every club every yr. the clubs clearly stated expectation was to achieve overall improvement weather that meant finals or not. being a reasonable person who uses a bit of common sense id say they have achieved that wouldnt you.
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This is for you Claw who loves to call Richmond supporters fools and naive because he has no other means to defend the inexcusable.
It is clear that Hardwick has failed this year by any reasonable expectation.
A list that can beat Sydney and Hawthorn but can't beat GCS, a Carlton reserve team and struggled against GWS. A massive under performance in 2012. To lose NINE close games is inexcusable but you will still make up excuses in your deluded fantasy. The coach finally admits something is seriously wrong and you pat him on the back for it and say its ok. After spending the whole year facilitating the delusion that nothing is wrong. This is year 3. Not year 1. Rookie does not cover it anymore.
Those who prefer to be mired in mediocrity can overlook the obvious and create a plethora of excuses. The same excuses they were bandying for Wallace and Frawley. When the next mediocre coach comes in, if Malthouse isn't signed up, you will be crying that it isn't his coaching that is bad but the terrible list Hardwick left him.
You will ignore your rubbish 7/3 rule in favour of pure speculation and fantasy. You will ignore Maric being boundary side while Armfield was goal side unopposed to kick an easy and crucial goal. Or that Murphy ran free the whole game. Their best quality disposer of the football in the midfield on the night while our best midfielders were shut down. Or that no one was in the square to defend Mcleans goal in the dying minute of the game. Or the ridiculous interchanges. You will ignore the fundamental mistakes that would not occur to the same degree or as often under a well coached under 18 side but happen regularly at Richmond.
We lost 9 close games this year because we were out coached. We did that with Tuck, who the coach crucified last year because he is totally clueless and has no concept of his playing list. We lost the last 3 close games in a row, a rare achievement for any club. We had the most horrible last minute of football ever against GCS. We have found new lows, that even victory starved Richmond supporters have not witnessed in 30 years.
History is repeating yet again at Punt Road. Only because of weak supporters like you Claw are they able to get away with it. If you demand mediocrity, that is what you get.
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A list that can beat Sydney and Hawthorn but can't beat GCS, a Carlton reserve team and struggled against GWS.
Didn't read the rest of your post, but what sort of lineup do you think we fielded against GC, GWS and Carlton? Minus our top 6-7 players last week it was basically Coburg running around. Carlton reserves beat our 'depth' or 'dead-wood' (whichever term you want to use, because Moore/McGuane/A Maric/Post et al. to me dont cut it as 'depth') by 4 points, and I think they had a generous calling from the maggots on the night too. Last 2 weeks there have been some costly desicions in front of goal from the umpires awarding free goals to the opposition or cheating us out of one (Edwards) and when a straight kick is the final margin, just goes to show how much of an impact calls on a game can have.
Had that Edwards decision been called properly when it came back as inconclusive, and that maggot not called on Tuck for 'holding the ball' after his pathetic excuse for a bounce, then we would be talking up our finals appearance. It's a really fine line.
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This is for you Claw who loves to call Richmond supporters fools and naive because he has no other means to defend the inexcusable.
It is clear that Hardwick has failed this year by any reasonable expectation.
A list that can beat Sydney and Hawthorn but can't beat GCS, a Carlton reserve team and struggled against GWS. A massive under performance in 2012. To lose NINE close games is inexcusable but you will still make up excuses in your deluded fantasy. The coach finally admits something is seriously wrong and you pat him on the back for it and say its ok. After spending the whole year facilitating the delusion that nothing is wrong. This is year 3. Not year 1. Rookie does not cover it anymore.
Those who prefer to be mired in mediocrity can overlook the obvious and create a plethora of excuses. The same excuses they were bandying for Wallace and Frawley. When the next mediocre coach comes in, if Malthouse isn't signed up, you will be crying that it isn't his coaching that is bad but the terrible list Hardwick left him.
You will ignore your rubbish 7/3 rule in favour of pure speculation and fantasy. You will ignore Maric being boundary side while Armfield was goal side unopposed to kick an easy and crucial goal. Or that Murphy ran free the whole game. Their best quality disposer of the football in the midfield on the night while our best midfielders were shut down. Or that no one was in the square to defend Mcleans goal in the dying minute of the game. Or the ridiculous interchanges. You will ignore the fundamental mistakes that would not occur to the same degree or as often under a well coached under 18 side but happen regularly at Richmond.
We lost 9 close games this year because we were out coached. We did that with Tuck, who the coach crucified last year because he is totally clueless and has no concept of his playing list. We lost the last 3 close games in a row, a rare achievement for any club. We had the most horrible last minute of football ever against GCS. We have found new lows, that even victory starved Richmond supporters have not witnessed in 30 years.
History is repeating yet again at Punt Road. Only because of weak supporters like you Claw are they able to get away with it. If you demand mediocrity, that is what you get.
100 % agree.
But I was glad that Hardwick finally admitted there's a problem. Let's hope he finally fixes it before it's too late. And it's the beginning of an era of excellence we've haven't seen at tigerland for a long long time.
It's time we cured tigeritis and eradicate mediocrity from the club altogether.
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geez the players get a free ride dont they. :thumbsup
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Blaming Hardwick? You can only lead a horse to water :banghead The problem isn't Hardwick, its our 'depth' players covering injuries. They aren't good enough for the VFL let alone the AFL. :wallywink
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Didn't read the rest of your post, but what sort of lineup do you think we fielded against GC, GWS and Carlton? Minus our top 6-7 players last week it was basically Coburg running around.
I call BS.
List the top 6-7 players who were missing? Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Rance, Riewoldt, Tuck. They would be the top 6 players on our list and they all played against Carlton?
Are you talking about Vickery. He was useless at the start of the season. Couldn't take a mark to save himself. He isn't top 6. Foley. He's not top 6 and injury prone to boot. Grimes. He hasn't played 20 games of AFL. Kidding if he is top 6.
If you want to talk about the team suspension of Martin in the GCS game. That was coach inflicted. Should never have been suspended. Should have been given community service, paint over some grafiti, visit sick children in hospital, help some elderly, visit disadvantaged kids etc. Been given some education on pills etc. So he could understand how lucky he is. Not suspended which punishes the whole team and the fans. It was a first offense if you believe the club but they have been dragging his character through the mud ever since.
Post was picked round 1. He's not a first season kid. Moore. People have been crying that we need him back for how long and using him as an injury excuse for losing. Now that he is back. He's ordinary. He was ordinary back then too. Maric. How did he get picked. How did we draft him to begin with. Melbourne midget reject. McGuane contributed more than Riewoldt did. Kicked a ripping goal. Hes actually a very good example of a depth player, because he has played afl for a while and has the fitness base unlike the kids Carlton fielded.
Against that Carlton reserve side, we should have been 10 goals up. We made it a fine line. It should never have been one.
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I said minus our top 6, who were playing, they were basically playing Coburg.
Moore, McGuane, Post, A. Maric et al. left us seriously exposed. Not to mention Graham in the GC game.
The gap between these players I just mentioned and Foley, Vickery, Grimes etc. is huge. Hell, the gap between those players and Batchelor who is out of form and White who is suspended is huge. You cant expect to win games when the 'players' you call up from Coburg to play for Richmond, shouldn't even be playing for Coburg.
When we have players in our bottom 5 on the field that are of the make of (using Hawthorn as an example) Shiels, Breust, Suckling, Whitecross and Gunston, or even Savage (making the assumption Franklin comes in for him) we will pummell other clubs. How you can compare our 'depth' to these 5-6 is beyond me.
McGuane contributed more than Riewoldt did. Kicked a ripping goal. Hes actually a very good example of a depth player, because he has played afl for a while and has the fitness base unlike the kids Carlton fielded.
McGuane is a good example of a depth player is he? Minus kicking that one goal he offered absolutely nothing all game and continually looked out of place. He had 3 kicks in an entire game of football :bow
Compare this to Shiels of Hawthorn on Friday who had 24 touches . . . :banghead Your right though, its all on the coach. :clapping :whistle :wallywink
Bottom line is, we need to continue drafting well so our depth players become the Grigg's/Houli's/Conca's. This is what we are doing and will continue to do, sadly it takes bloody time, especially when Hardwick inherited the list he did.
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I said minus our top 6, who were playing, they were basically playing Coburg.
Moore, McGuane, Post, A. Maric et al. left us seriously exposed. Not to mention Graham in the GC game.
The gap between these players I just mentioned and Foley, Vickery, Grimes etc. is huge. Hell, the gap between those players and Batchelor who is out of form and White who is suspended is huge. You cant expect to win games when the 'players' you call up from Coburg to play for Richmond, shouldn't even be playing for Coburg.
When we have players in our bottom 5 on the field that are of the make of (using Hawthorn as an example) Shiels, Breust, Suckling, Whitecross and Gunston, or even Savage (making the assumption Franklin comes in for him) we will pummell other clubs. How you can compare our 'depth' to these 5-6 is beyond me.
McGuane contributed more than Riewoldt did. Kicked a ripping goal. Hes actually a very good example of a depth player, because he has played afl for a while and has the fitness base unlike the kids Carlton fielded.
McGuane is a good example of a depth player is he? Minus kicking that one goal he offered absolutely nothing all game and continually looked out of place. He had 3 kicks in an entire game of football :bow
Compare this to Shiels of Hawthorn on Friday who had 24 touches . . . :banghead Your right though, its all on the coach. :clapping :whistle :wallywink
Bottom line is, we need to continue drafting well so our depth players become the Grigg's/Houli's/Conca's. This is what we are doing and will continue to do, sadly it takes bloody time, especially when Hardwick inherited the list he did.
here here well said.
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This is for you Claw who loves to call Richmond supporters fools and naive because he has no other means to defend the inexcusable.
now thats the pot calling the kettle black i only give as good as i get bud.
you continually ignore things such as depth quality age experience games played etc . you agree the list is poor but expect to win well me id call that foolish.
your looking to do exactly what we have done for 30 yrs blame the coach when the simple answer is we dont have the cattle and it will still take time to get enough.
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of course hes made mistakes and continues to do so. only a fool would argue he hasnt. but surely we expected mistakes from a rookie coach with a poo list. hes probably making half of it up as he goes. all i can say is get used to it he will make plenty more but thats okay by me as long as he learns from them.
at the end of the day there are only two reasons why this thread exists.
some fools overrate the list and expected finals and are bitter. or theres some real fishermen on this site. me i reckon its the former seems most just dont have the intelligence to form a balanced opinion.
The Richmond Football Club expected finals this year. General football media expected more from Richmond. Hardwick expected more. I guess that makes them fools by your criteria.
The amount you have been arguing and making excuses for him, would make you a fool by your criteria.
I guess you are a fool living in a world of fools. I hope its a happy place.
There is a simple solution to a rookie coach continuing to make the same mistakes three years on. Replace him with Mick Malthouse. That's the point of this thread. You have done a good job of clarifying it.
ah pot calling kettle black. what a fool.
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Moore, McGuane, Post, A. Maric et al. left us seriously exposed. Not to mention Graham in the GC game.
JVT. I noticed you completely edited your previous post. I agree with a lot of your posts on this forum. This one is way off the mark though.
How can you write the above when Hardwick recruited Maric. You have to be kidding. He kept Moore, McGuane and Post on the list for the last 3 years. Not to mention Connors, Webberley etc. He played Post round 1. But that is somehow Wallaces fault?
We weren't up against Hawthorn but lest we forget, we beat them. How wonderful their list must be then. Keep praising them while we copy their game plan to our detriment. We played Carltons kids on the weekend. We lost to GCS kids.
Armfield. Ripped our Captain a new one. Guess thats a depth issue? 70 odd games vrs 209 games of experience.
Lets look at Carltons players who played: Bell, Rookie. Casboult - 2 career games. Collins - Richmond reject - 35 games. Frazer Dale. Rookie. 2 Games. Davies. 14 Career games - 1 this year. Duigan. 35 games. Mcinnes 4 games. Tuohy 26 games.
These kids wouldn't have the endurance to run an afl game out.
They replaced. Judd, Henderson, Hampson, Waite, Russel, Bower, Laidler, Robinson, Simpson, Walker, Warnock.
But we were at an injury disadvantage and had the depth crisis. Its funny but it isn't true.
As to Claw. You started off with the Naive talk. Then you added Fool to the mix. Then you added delusional. I am just quoting you. Maybe you don't like reading your own rubbish. Maybe you have covered up all the mirrors in your place?
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can someone please summarize this thread thus far fro me,please?
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can someone please summarize this thread thus far fro me,please?
FO. do it urself :lol
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we have another momentum shift
in the RFC and stiffys career.
gone by middle of next year
that will help people through the night and
make themselves feel vindicated. :lol
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LMAO at saying mcguane is a very good example of a depth player then bagging hardwick for keeping him on the list.
If your going to list player and their games, rather than cherry picking in an attempt to justify you argument why not paint the whole picture.
players with,
less than 100 games,
Carlton 15 RFC 16
101 -200
Carlton 6 RFC 5
over 200
1 each.
not a great deal of difference in a game ultimately decided by an errant pass that ahhsed through for a goal.
i always curious as why carlron should be expected to lose, and lose big, with a few outs, yet the same doesn't apply when we made 11 changes in 2 weeks against the gold coast.
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we have another momentum shift
in the RFC and stiffys career.
gone by middle of next year
that will help people through the night and
make themselves feel vindicated. :lol
Why because afew fools who wouldnt know if their balls were on fire want him to be sacked? :lol
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LMAO at saying mcguane is a very good example of a depth player then bagging hardwick for keeping him on the list.
If your going to list player and their games, rather than cherry picking in an attempt to justify you argument why not paint the whole picture.
players with,
less than 100 games,
Carlton 15 RFC 16
101 -200
Carlton 6 RFC 5
over 200
1 each.
not a great deal of difference in a game ultimately decided by an errant pass that ahhsed through for a goal.
i always curious as why carlron should be expected to lose, and lose big, with a few outs, yet the same doesn't apply when we made 11 changes in 2 weeks against the gold coast.
Carlton Players with less than 15 games. 5
Richmond Players with less than 15 games. 0
Try making the stats reflect the truth next time.
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really whats the difference between 15 and 30 ?
sweet FA. they are all still learning the caper
The important group is the 100-200 group bracket.
These are the players you live an die by,
perhaps you could break it down to 1-50 then 50 -100 if you really want, but it's still 100 game onward experience that counts.
but once again you cherry pick just so you can whinge and whine.
what ever floats your boat.
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can someone please summarize this thread thus far fro me,please?
thus far ox it seems theres fools and then theres fools. depending on what side of the fence your on some fools are bigger fools than others. hope that helps.
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can someone please summarize this thread thus far fro me,please?
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:lol :rollin
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Moore, McGuane, Post, A. Maric et al. left us seriously exposed. Not to mention Graham in the GC game.
JVT. I noticed you completely edited your previous post. I agree with a lot of your posts on this forum. This one is way off the mark though.
How can you write the above when Hardwick recruited Maric. You have to be kidding. He kept Moore, McGuane and Post on the list for the last 3 years. Not to mention Connors, Webberley etc. He played Post round 1. But that is somehow Wallaces fault?
We weren't up against Hawthorn but lest we forget, we beat them. How wonderful their list must be then. Keep praising them while we copy their game plan to our detriment. We played Carltons kids on the weekend. We lost to GCS kids.
Armfield. Ripped our Captain a new one. Guess thats a depth issue? 70 odd games vrs 209 games of experience.
Lets look at Carltons players who played: Bell, Rookie. Casboult - 2 career games. Collins - Richmond reject - 35 games. Frazer Dale. Rookie. 2 Games. Davies. 14 Career games - 1 this year. Duigan. 35 games. Mcinnes 4 games. Tuohy 26 games.
These kids wouldn't have the endurance to run an afl game out.
They replaced. Judd, Henderson, Hampson, Waite, Russel, Bower, Laidler, Robinson, Simpson, Walker, Warnock.
But we were at an injury disadvantage and had the depth crisis. Its funny but it isn't true.
As to Claw. You started off with the Naive talk. Then you added Fool to the mix. Then you added delusional. I am just quoting you. Maybe you don't like reading your own rubbish. Maybe you have covered up all the mirrors in your place?
lol not just foolish but stupid to go with it.
which are you unplugged the fool who over rates the list or just a fisherman. definately the former id say. can be nothing ese you want the coach sacked for not making finals despite admitting the list is poo. ah ya know there foolishness and then thers foolishness.
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Yeah sure the coach needs to cop a bit of heat for these balls ups but he inherited a list full of cabbages......no matter how hard ya try ya just cant polish poo
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Yeah sure the coach needs to cop a bit of heat for these balls ups but he inherited a list full of cabbages......no matter how hard ya try ya just cant polish poo
ya can sprinlkle some glitter on it to keep the fools happy though.
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:lol
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:lol
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More glitter needed!!
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6152/6175104141_b50226d1ee_z.jpg)
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You can see Jack's high heels.
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You can see Jack's high heels.
:shh
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lol not just foolish but stupid to go with it.
which are you unplugged the fool who over rates the list or just a fisherman. definately the former id say. can be nothing ese you want the coach sacked for not making finals despite admitting the list is poo. ah ya know there foolishness and then thers foolishness.
Your pretty simple, aren't you mate.
You think we have a depth issue and thats why we cant beat a Carlton reserve team. You blame it on players that the coach kept for the last 3 years. By your logic, he is responsible for keeping them. You cant have it both ways.
That doesn't mean I agree with your stupidity and think they are duds. Mcguane, Post, Connors, Moore. They are all good depth players. I wouldn't have kept Moore or Connors. But that is subjective. I can understand why he did. The sacking and suspension however hurt the whole team. It was a poor narrow minded decision mid season when finals were within reach. Recruiting Maric was a stupid decision. But he has made a lot of those. Thats fine with you. There have been too many for it to be fine with me.
You cried that we lost to Carlton because of depth. McGuane 2006 Post 2009 Moore 2004. All seasoned footballers replacing our injured players. Carlton had 5 guys come in who haven't played 15 games including two rookies to replace the likes of Judd, Waite, Simpson, Hampson etc. I will give you a hint. It wasn't depth that was the problem. I will make it easier for you now that I know how simple you are. Hardwick is to blame.
Your happy to have mediocre results under a "rookie" coach. I would rather my money went on Malthouse who has proven himself time and time again. Prove to all the Richmond fans that Hardwick is a better coach than Malthouse. I would like to hear that argument. Entertain us some more.
Your argument on any level has been proven to be completely FALSE. Take your hands off the keyboard and go back to sucking your thumb Claw.
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lol not just foolish but stupid to go with it.
which are you unplugged the fool who over rates the list or just a fisherman. definately the former id say. can be nothing ese you want the coach sacked for not making finals despite admitting the list is poo. ah ya know there foolishness and then thers foolishness.
Your pretty simple, aren't you mate.
You think we have a depth issue and thats why we cant beat a Carlton reserve team. You blame it on players that the coach kept for the last 3 years. By your logic, he is responsible for keeping them. You cant have it both ways.
That doesn't mean I agree with your stupidity and think they are duds. Mcguane, Post, Connors, Moore. They are all good depth players. I wouldn't have kept Moore or Connors. But that is subjective. I can understand why he did. The sacking and suspension however hurt the whole team. It was a poor narrow minded decision mid season when finals were within reach. Recruiting Maric was a stupid decision. But he has made a lot of those. Thats fine with you. There have been too many for it to be fine with me.
You cried that we lost to Carlton because of depth. McGuane 2006 Post 2009 Moore 2004. All seasoned footballers replacing our injured players. Carlton had 5 guys come in who haven't played 15 games including two rookies to replace the likes of Judd, Waite, Simpson, Hampson etc. I will give you a hint. It wasn't depth that was the problem. I will make it easier for you now that I know how simple you are. Hardwick is to blame.
Your happy to have mediocre results under a "rookie" coach. I would rather my money went on Malthouse who has proven himself time and time again. Prove to all the Richmond fans that Hardwick is a better coach than Malthouse. I would like to hear that argument. Entertain us some more.
Your argument on any level has been proven to be completely FALSE. Take your hands off the keyboard and go back to sucking your thumb Claw.
Not sure if Hardwick is to blame. Yes he made mistakes(GC) but the signs were there long before the GC game.
Cats, Eagles, Bummers, Crows games all winnable yet chocked in the last quarter. why? Didnt have depth issues earlier in the season.
I think the players cant rid itself of the soft like an egg Matthews statement.
Still not tough enough mentally and not all know how to play for the jumper
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not tough enough mentally is true, but soft like an egg is not. if it had been we would not even have been in a winning position in those games, but would have been blown away earlier.
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Sack the apologist
He's running us into the ground
Benny Fale can join him
Bury them while the have the turf ripped out
>:(
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Sack the apologist
He's running us into the ground
Benny Fale can join him
Bury them while the have the turf ripped out
>:(
:sleep
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Ross from Craigieburn is back. Quick, bleach the gene pool.
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:lol
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Roy from Coburg girl
Get it right ignoramus
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quick grab mick.
I want a coach that cries and hugs the players
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And wins premierships
You already have a bum tapper and apologist
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And wins premierships
You already have a bum tapper and apologist
:sleep
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And wins premierships
You already have a bum tapper and apologist
yet you want to tap newman on the shoulder. go figure.
You already have a bum tapper and apologist
the use of "you" rather than "we" suggests what is suspected and that is you are not a richmond supporter but a smelly troll, probably from some pure filth club
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another scenario to keep the
natives happy.
i say lets do it and lets see some
disappear never to return again :lol
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And wins premierships
You already have a bum tapper and apologist
No offense to the mentally challenged (Jack) but you are not all there are you Ricky from Crapsville
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You implies he wants dimma iliterate fool
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You implies he wants dimma iliterate fool
Pot, this is kettle, over.
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You implies he wants dimma iliterate fool
I'm sure this made some sort of sense in it's original language.
Google translate obviously struggles with retread
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Tiger pooh is good for your culture but I refuse to pay for DIShonourable losses
Why do immature imbiciles take out their frustrations on me
You pay for crap and accept it then wear it Benny pups
The reason why rfc continues to fail is because you continue to accept failure
so continue to eat Benny tiger litter
Our young players are poorly developed just look at feelings kittens tonight they have progressed since the beginning of the year where our cuddly pink sniffly cubs are still making more turn overs than a French pastry chef
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Tiger pooh is good for your culture but I refuse to pay for DIShonourable losses
Why do immature imbiciles take out their frustrations on me
You pay for crap and accept it then wear it Benny pups
The reason why rfc continues to fail is because you continue to accept failure
so continue to eat Benny tiger litter
Our young players are poorly developed just look at feelings kittens tonight they have progressed since the beginning of the year where our cuddly pink sniffly cubs are still making more turn overs than a French pastry chef
yeh and the young KITTENS have a great base to come
from with that group of older Cats players. :lol
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yeh and the young KITTENS have a great base to come
from with that group of older Cats players. :lol
There should be a sign on our forum site:
PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
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yeh and the young KITTENS have a great base to come
from with that group of older Cats players. :lol
There should be a sign on our forum site:
PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
:thumbsup
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Just delete this thread :banghead
This is what causes us to implode you knumbskulls :clapping
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You implies he wants dimma iliterate fool
Pot, this is kettle, over.
Leaf him alone, its not his folt he idiot spall!
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Typical rfc supporter is one who sits on their backside and dreams of success but bathes in cub litter
Speak the truth all of us and change would take place but the majority of rfc fans enjoy to be laughed at by Carlton Essendon and Collingwood fans and have accepted and now continue to defend the thirty years of Tigger litter
The club divides its fans Line of thought and continues to conquer with their verbal diarrhea and hence poor performances are the norm
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Typical rfc supporter is one who sits on their backside and dreams of success but bathes in cub litter
Speak the truth all of us and change would take place but the majority of rfc fans enjoy to be laughed at by Carlton Essendon and Collingwood fans and have accepted and now continue to defend the thirty years of Tigger litter
The club divides its fans Line of thought and continues to conquer with their verbal diarrhea and hence poor performances are the norm
Don't you hate them those head in the sand type folk who in the 70's when they were in their teens and early 20's ensured we were kings on and off the field and now sit back and and with their bogan tradesman money eat steak and drink merlot when they were VB drinkers back in the day.
Furthermore they just accept what Benny Fail and Dim Sim soy sauce preach and don't care b/c they've seen success and have become soft in their old age.
Cmon rfctiger05 lead us to the promised land with your catchy brand of peddling easy answers to questions that aren't being asked and your superficial view of life at Punt Rd. :thumbsup
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God bless you chosen one
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:lol
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I've never heard in the last 30 years we had an honorable win no we hear the negative
An honorable loss a bloody unaustralian pusssy term which is still infectious after 30years
John Northey was the last coach that put the fight and bite back into the tiger
After that it's been hot air and spineless footy👯
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I've never heard in the last 30 years we had an honorable win no we hear the negative
An honorable loss a bloody unaustralian pusssy term which is still infectious after 30years
John Northey was the last coach that put the fight and bite back into the tiger
After that it's been hot air and spineless footy👯
FFS 30 years of pussy terms :banghead
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Probably finish with 10 wins which will mean that Hardwick has improved us in win loss terms every year since he took over coaching us.
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Probably finish with 10 wins which will mean that Hardwick has improved us in win loss terms every year since he took over coaching us.
True but standby for wankstar to put some negative slant on it.
The team responded well tonight despite a lapse in the last.
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Quote from: Jackstar is back again on September 30, 2011, 07:23:58 AM
Maric is no better than Graham.so why recruit him? Here we go again
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Big deal .i was wrong .wooppee do Coles Boy
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Probably finish with 10 wins which will mean that Hardwick has improved us in win loss terms every year since he took over coaching us.
True but standby for wankstar to put some negative slant on it.
The team responded well tonight despite a lapse in the last.
Would safely say this year is hardly a pass
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Probably finish with 10 wins which will mean that Hardwick has improved us in win loss terms every year since he took over coaching us.
True but standby for wankstar to put some negative slant on it.
The team responded well tonight despite a lapse in the last.
Would safely say this year is hardly a pass
You cant sack a bloke who came to the club when it was a complete rabble and has improved the joint 3 years running. If he gets 10 wins this year and cleans out another 8 players from the list and brings in some kids, 1 or 2 experienced players from other clubs via free agency and some State League Players late in the draft round 5 and 6 of the draft like Sam Dwyer from Port who should have been given a chance by now then you cant ask for much more. Just my opinion. Doesnt make it right but just an opinion.
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Big deal .i was wrong .wooppee do Coles Boy
Why don't you ask the check out chick about his views on Tambling, the bloke he said was playing to Dimmas instructions each week
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Probably finish with 10 wins which will mean that Hardwick has improved us in win loss terms every year since he took over coaching us.
True but standby for wankstar to put some negative slant on it.
The team responded well tonight despite a lapse in the last.
Would safely say this year is hardly a pass
You cant sack a bloke who came to the club when it was a complete rabble and has improved the joint 3 years running. If he gets 10 wins this year and cleans out another 8 players from the list and brings in some kids, 1 or 2 experienced players from other clubs via free agency and some State League Players late in the draft round 5 and 6 of the draft like Sam Dwyer from Port who should have been given a chance by now then you cant ask for much more. Just my opinion. Doesnt make it right but just an opinion.
Yeah, only an opinion, but a fair, balanced and logical opinion.
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Why was Craig Cameron sitting next to Hardwick in box seemingly discussing something happening on-field?
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Probably finish with 10 wins which will mean that Hardwick has improved us in win loss terms every year since he took over coaching us.
True but standby for wankstar to put some negative slant on it.
The team responded well tonight despite a lapse in the last.
Would safely say this year is hardly a pass
You cant sack a bloke who came to the club when it was a complete rabble and has improved the joint 3 years running. If he gets 10 wins this year and cleans out another 8 players from the list and brings in some kids, 1 or 2 experienced players from other clubs via free agency and some State League Players late in the draft round 5 and 6 of the draft like Sam Dwyer from Port who should have been given a chance by now then you cant ask for much more. Just my opinion. Doesnt make it right but
just an opinion.
An opinion most would nod their head to :thumbsup
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Probably finish with 10 wins which will mean that Hardwick has improved us in win loss terms every year since he took over coaching us.
True but standby for wankstar to put some negative slant on it.
The team responded well tonight despite a lapse in the last.
Would safely say this year is hardly a pass
You cant sack a bloke who came to the club when it was a complete rabble and has improved the joint 3 years running. If he gets 10 wins this year and cleans out another 8 players from the list and brings in some kids, 1 or 2 experienced players from other clubs via free agency and some State League Players late in the draft round 5 and 6 of the draft like Sam Dwyer from Port who should have been given a chance by now then you cant ask for much more. Just my opinion. Doesnt make it right but just an opinion.
Yeah, only an opinion, but a fair, balanced and logical opinion.
Well then, it's got no place on OER. :whistle
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OER .the place of reason
The voice of the supporter
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I was one of the Hardwick knockers when I saw a trend during the Freo and Melbourne games that I knew had to be rectified or the season would be lost - and now it has. However, if tactical and personnel changes are made not making the finals at this stage will not cruel our development. If Hardwick learns from his mistakes and grows as a coach (which is probable) I'll swing my support behind him poste haste. He still has a way to go.
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I was one of the Hardwick knockers when I saw a trend during the Freo and Melbourne games that I knew had to be rectified or the season would be lost - and now it has. However, if tactical and personnel changes are made not making the finals at this stage will not cruel our development. If Hardwick learns from his mistakes and grows as a coach (which is probable) I'll swing my support behind him poste haste. He still has a way to go.
I am sure he will appreciate your support
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I was one of the Hardwick knockers when I saw a trend during the Freo and Melbourne games that I knew had to be rectified or the season would be lost - and now it has. However, if tactical and personnel changes are made not making the finals at this stage will not cruel our development. If Hardwick learns from his mistakes and grows as a coach (which is probable) I'll swing my support behind him poste haste. He still has a way to go.
Great post !
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I was one of the Hardwick knockers when I saw a trend during the Freo and Melbourne games that I knew had to be rectified or the season would be lost - and now it has. However, if tactical and personnel changes are made not making the finals at this stage will not cruel our development. If Hardwick learns from his mistakes and grows as a coach (which is probable) I'll swing my support behind him poste haste. He still has a way to go.
I am sure he will appreciate your support
:rollin
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Just watching Melb vs Gold Coast
How on earth we can't beat GC is beyond belief
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One dead rubber doesn't win the ashes
Get off the merlot and sober up please
You are showing your 30 years of gullibleness
We need to win games that count ie crunch games
This year is a carbon copy of the last 8seasons
Nothing to play for in the last 6 weeks
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One dead rubber doesn't win the ashes
Get off the merlot and sober up please
You are showing your 30 years of gullibleness
We need to win games that count ie crunch games
This year is a carbon copy of the last 8seasons
Nothing to play for in the last 6 weeks
You're right nothing to play for in the last month.
Why turn up and win meaningless games and provide false hope for next year.
Better if we got thrashed in them and have no expectatations for the rest of this year and next.
Last thing we would want is think we have a chance to beat Carlton in Round 1 2013 when really
we can't even beat the Northen Bullants sustitute quarter time orange peelers 18.
That way we can all preach next year its 31 years instead of 30 years. :lol :rollin :lol
Makes life so much easier that way. :help
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It's a dead rubber the season ended against the god coast suns
Finish low and get picks or if halfwit is serious drop Newman Houlli etc and play kids like Elton
Do his job and look at his list before the big flush
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Like last year won three of the last four and amounted to this
Just pays the bills and gets the naive to re-sign
They should all be on performance based contracts including Benny Fale
Until I see Newman waved on I'll be convinced were making a forward move
Thus far status30 year quo
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One dead rubber doesn't win the ashes
Get off the merlot and sober up please
You are showing your 30 years of gullibleness
We need to win games that count ie crunch games
This year is a carbon copy of the last 8seasons
Nothing to play for in the last 6 weeks
Correct !!
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Off the topic guys
Primus sacked I hope Hardwick doesn't pursue him we seem to have a lot of sa duds lying around the joint
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One dead rubber doesn't win the ashes
Get off the merlot and sober up please
You are showing your 30 years of gullibleness
We need to win games that count ie crunch games
This year is a carbon copy of the last 8seasons
Nothing to play for in the last 6 weeks
You're right nothing to play for in the last month.
Why turn up and win meaningless games and provide false hope for next year.
Better if we got thrashed in them and have no expectatations for the rest of this year and next.
Last thing we would want is think we have a chance to beat Carlton in Round 1 2013 when really
we can't even beat the Northen Bullants sustitute quarter time orange peelers 18.
That way we can all preach next year its 31 years instead of 30 years. :lol :rollin :lol
Makes life so much easier that way. :help
Come on Tucker, you cant get really excited about last night. be truthful. Is it not the slightest bit hollow?
For me it is. Yep take the 4 points winning is better than losing, but does it not amuse you when you see jackson and mcguane think they are superstars against a very very poor Brisbane side.
The remaining games dont mean a lot to me to be honest.
What means a lot is seeing kids get games ahead of the same old spuds. Also to beat the Bombers and knock them out of 8 would end the year on a positive note.
Have we improved on last year. Well not yet but id say we will finish the year better, marginally.
For mine until we can make finals and break some embarassing hoodoos i.e Blues, Cats, GC, i wont be getting as excited as others seem to about our 2013 chances.
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One dead rubber doesn't win the ashes
Get off the merlot and sober up please
You are showing your 30 years of gullibleness
We need to win games that count ie crunch games
This year is a carbon copy of the last 8seasons
Nothing to play for in the last 6 weeks
^ some validity mate (re crunch games etc) however the difference to this season and the previous 8 is that we've again pruned some of the deadwood (over 60% of the list turned over since Hardwick got there) and we've been in games/competitive for much longer than previous years...yes the losses have been heartbreaking (and some bordering on inexcusable) but just looking at our percentage shows that we have definitely been more competitive than years gone by...the key now is - get rid of the remaining chumps (you can't delist 40 blokes in one year), make sure the narrow losses drive the club and don't become too "soul sapping" and continue to make good decisions re drafting and trading - i think this is the most important trade/draft period in our history...
Keep getting the right people around Hardwick (eg the Ross Smith types) & I think we are on the right track...don't think anyone could've done much better over the last 3 years based on the previous heirarchy's decisions...
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Remove your eyes from below and look up you will see the light
LMAO we should have had 12 wins all the reasons why we haven't have been listed by the multitude on this forum
A typical rfc supporter mentality is to accept mediocrity
Top year
We're getting better
Big improvement
Honorable loss
Next year will be better
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Why was Craig Cameron sitting next to Hardwick in box seemingly discussing something happening on-field?
Bump
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Off the topic guys
Primus sacked I hope Hardwick doesn't pursue him we seem to have a lot of sa duds lying around the joint
we have off loaded some duds to them as well
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Remove your eyes from below and look up you will see the light
LMAO we should have had 12 wins all the reasons why we haven't have been listed by the multitude on this forum
A typical rfc supporter mentality is to accept mediocrity
Top year
We're getting better
Big improvement
Honorable loss
Next year will be better
How true
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Why was Craig Cameron sitting next to Hardwick in box seemingly discussing something happening on-field?
Bump
What's your point he sits in the box every week
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Why was Craig Cameron sitting next to Hardwick in box seemingly discussing something happening on-field?
Bump
What's your point he sits in the box every week
Yep he's done it since 2009. There's footage of Cameron in the coaches box with Jade Rawlings in that Jordie McMahon after the siren goal game.
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Why was Craig Cameron sitting next to Hardwick in box seemingly discussing something happening on-field?
Possibly because he is the football manager. :rollin
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One dead rubber doesn't win the ashes
Get off the merlot and sober up please
You are showing your 30 years of gullibleness
We need to win games that count ie crunch games
This year is a carbon copy of the last 8seasons
Nothing to play for in the last 6 weeks
You're right nothing to play for in the last month.
Why turn up and win meaningless games and provide false hope for next year.
Better if we got thrashed in them and have no expectatations for the rest of this year and next.
Last thing we would want is think we have a chance to beat Carlton in Round 1 2013 when really
we can't even beat the Northen Bullants sustitute quarter time orange peelers 18.
That way we can all preach next year its 31 years instead of 30 years. :lol :rollin :lol
Makes life so much easier that way. :help
Come on Tucker, you cant get really excited about last night. be truthful. Is it not the slightest bit hollow?
For me it is. Yep take the 4 points winning is better than losing, but does it not amuse you when you see jackson and mcguane think they are superstars against a very very poor Brisbane side.
The remaining games dont mean a lot to me to be honest.
What means a lot is seeing kids get games ahead of the same old spuds. Also to beat the Bombers and knock them out of 8 would end the year on a positive note.
Have we improved on last year. Well not yet but id say we will finish the year better, marginally.
For mine until we can make finals and break some embarassing hoodoos i.e Blues, Cats, GC, i wont be getting as excited as others seem to about our 2013 chances.
Not over the moon not by a long shot.
However based on what we have seen this year we will end up with more wins than last year.
A better % too.
Despite some galling losses we haven't been blown away in any game. 44 points being our worse loss and 21 the next worse.
Yep we need to overcome the Carlton's and Geelong's of this world and win some close games and show some poise but that will come.
We'll see about 8 list changes again this year which is what we need anyway.
I'm hoping we can trade away blokes like Jako and Edwards also for handy picks too.
Furthermore a kid like Ellis overall has been good add Conca's improvement and blokes like Batchelor Grimes Helbig came back yesterday, Vickery Foley to come back in.
If Chaplain is coming well there is another big tall defender and we haven't got to trades, drafting or anyone else through free agency and whilst yep I'm gutted we have lost some games this year we had no reason to lose I am still of the belief that we are a shot next year.
Hey Daniel you as most here know I was not convinced by Walla$$ and I voiced my disapproval at the team at the selections and the progress of the club as whole so I am not averse to giving criticism to the club and this was back in 2007 go through my posts however I feel that despite the sentiment of some posters that the club is worse off I am not of that voice and I see far more upside than downside. Its not same old same old but like with all things what I see you may not see yet or some others and that's okay. I just believe we are on the right track.
It has nothing to do with a 48 point win over an experimenting Brisbane nor a big win over the Dogs next week either but it has to do with what I have seen. Our best is brilliant and our poor is diabolical and until we can bridge that gap even more yes we will struggle overall but what this team has had for the most of the year is heart and whilst that may not be reflective in some near misses at least Dimma has them playing for him and whilst Dimma and Benny have the playing list then we are fine. As I said add a few more to the list from the draft and take away few spuds and our list on paper already looks a whole lot better and that for me is better than where I sat 12 months ago given the state of decay and disrepair Walla$$ left the list in.
If people can't look through all the results and see it that way then that's fine also each to their own but I am confident of success and making finals as it turns out, wasn't convinced this year and hence I am not running around thinking the sky has fallen but next year is when I feel the team will show some more marked improvement and come up a few more rungs on the ladder also. :thumbsup
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What scares me with Hardwick is not what he's throwing out of the house but what furniture that's coming in
Diarrhea
Piva
Verrier
Astbury
Houlli
Little Mac
Relton Robert
miller
A Maric
Troy Taylor
Etc
I can't see any future in these spuds
I'm worried about our depth I can't see much if injuries hit such as this year
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What scares me with Hardwick is not what he's throwing out of the house but what furniture that's coming in
Diarrhea
Piva
Verrier
Astbury
Houlli
Little Mac
Relton Robert
miller
A Maric
Troy Taylor
Etc
I can't see any future in these spuds
I'm worried about our depth I can't see much if injuries hit such as this year
lol Don't call him Diarrhea
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Sorry coach I resented being humiliated and threatened
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Sorry coach I resented being humiliated and threatened
I didn't delete your posts. One of the other mods did. FWIW, I think threats on the internet are pathetic.
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God bless them
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Moore, McGuane, Post, A. Maric et al. left us seriously exposed. Not to mention Graham in the GC game.
JVT. I noticed you completely edited your previous post. I agree with a lot of your posts on this forum. This one is way off the mark though.
How can you write the above when Hardwick recruited Maric. You have to be kidding. He kept Moore, McGuane and Post on the list for the last 3 years. Not to mention Connors, Webberley etc. He played Post round 1. But that is somehow Wallaces fault?
We weren't up against Hawthorn but lest we forget, we beat them. How wonderful their list must be then. Keep praising them while we copy their game plan to our detriment. We played Carltons kids on the weekend. We lost to GCS kids.
Armfield. Ripped our Captain a new one. Guess thats a depth issue? 70 odd games vrs 209 games of experience.
Lets look at Carltons players who played: Bell, Rookie. Casboult - 2 career games. Collins - Richmond reject - 35 games. Frazer Dale. Rookie. 2 Games. Davies. 14 Career games - 1 this year. Duigan. 35 games. Mcinnes 4 games. Tuohy 26 games.
These kids wouldn't have the endurance to run an afl game out.
They replaced. Judd, Henderson, Hampson, Waite, Russel, Bower, Laidler, Robinson, Simpson, Walker, Warnock.
But we were at an injury disadvantage and had the depth crisis. Its funny but it isn't true.
As to Claw. You started off with the Naive talk. Then you added Fool to the mix. Then you added delusional. I am just quoting you. Maybe you don't like reading your own rubbish. Maybe you have covered up all the mirrors in your place?
Late reply, but your missing my point entirely. My point is we dont have 'depth' players, the guys we call in are rubbish. I'm not saying that other clubs haven't had to call up players due to injuries, I'm stating that the guys they have had come in are miles in front of our 'depth players'.
For example, in that Carlton game, Bell, Casboult, Collins, Dale, Davies, Duigan, Mcinnes and Tuohy performed way better and impacted the game profoundly more than the guys we have brought up from the VFL.
Does that make sense for you now? Until we can get some QUALITY DEPTH players, we will continue to lose games, not because our top 6-7 are not good enough, because they can match with any in the league, but because too much is left to them as they have to carry spuds like Moore, McGuane, A. Maric etc.
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Having a strong list and depth has never been more important than it is now. With all the additional work players are now called upon in today's game, injuries are inevitable. Development and recruiting are where the resources need to be pumped into!
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Having a strong list and depth has never been more important than it is now. With all the additional work players are now called upon in today's game, injuries are inevitable. Development and recruiting are where the resources need to be pumped into!
Exactly, and fact is our depth is that far behind the rest of the competition it's a joke. Before we even scrape into our 'depth players' the bottom 4-5 in our fully fit starting lineup could probably be moved on for better quality players also. When those 4-5 players (Newman, Jackson, King, Dea etc.) become our 'depth players' . . . we'll be looking seriously good on the field.
Bottom players on a match day for us should be Houli, Grigg, Batch, Conca etc.
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JVT. Your contention is that Carlton rookies etc are better than experienced Richmond players.
If we accept that, then it presents a stronger reason to sack Hardwick beyond his poor match day coaching skills.
Why has he kept by your words "spuds"? Where are our rookies? Where are our good young players? Apart from the first round draft picks, there really aren't any.
When Hardwick goes, should take with him, skills coach, fitness coach, football manager, recruiting manager, development manager, line coaches and anyone who came up with the losing game plan. Only person I would keep is the guy identifying mature age recruits, morris, maric, houli and grigg have all been good recruits in the context of our list. Person in charge of player payments would have a few questions to answer as well.
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aaahhh the difference bw cariton v rfc was RATTEN over DIMWIT
things are bad then :help
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JVT. Your contention is that Carlton rookies etc are better than experienced Richmond players.
If we accept that, then it presents a stronger reason to sack Hardwick beyond his poor match day coaching skills.
Why has he kept by your words "spuds"? Where are our rookies? Where are our good young players? Apart from the first round draft picks, there really aren't any.
When Hardwick goes, should take with him, skills coach, fitness coach, football manager, recruiting manager, development manager, line coaches and anyone who came up with the losing game plan. Only person I would keep is the guy identifying mature age recruits, morris, maric, houli and grigg have all been good recruits in the context of our list. Person in charge of player payments would have a few questions to answer as well.
Which of the spuds left are from his drafting? And of those, which picks were high picks? I can think of Webberley who was a pick 70-something, apart from that??
The rest are either left overs on inflated contracts from pre-Dimma or have managed to survive the culling thus far based purely on the fact we had to re-build in compromised drafts (with GC and GWS) limiting the amount of players we could move on in any given season. I am confident they wont survive past this season.
So to answer, yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Their (Carlton's) rookies are better than the experienced RFC players of the ilk of Moores and McGuane's. Horrible when you admit it isn't it? This isn't Dimma's fault, he has moved on 30+ players in the short time he has been at the club.
The club seems to have focussed on young players they know will take 2 years on the list for us to be rewarded from (Darrou, Wright, Elton, Arnot, O'Hanlon, Verrier etc.). What I'd like to see this off season, and what would make us much more competitive, would be to draft some more from that State Leagues (Get a few more of the Morris, Barlow, Duigan types as depth) and remove the crap that we have representing our club currently. Free agency pick ups in Chaplin and Cloke and superior drafting in the first 3 rounds with our first 4 picks would be massive for this club. Realistically, we need to move on 8 players from the bottom of our list.
Football is harsh, and too many on our list are not up to dominating the VFL, let alone standing up when called to the AFL.
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The club seems to have focussed on young players they know will take 2 years on the list for us to be rewarded from (Darrou, Wright, Elton, Arnot, O'Hanlon, Verrier etc.).
Football is harsh, and too many on our list are not up to dominating the VFL, let alone standing up when called to the AFL.
None of the rookies from the first year draft are left. Most of the other picks are gone or average players at best. He recruited A Maric. One of the greatest duds of all time. Nason was better. Saw most of the players you mentioned above on the weekend. Non competitive at VFL level. Forget dominating.
Tuck was left in the reserves thats cost us those close losses at the start of last season. Remember, he wanted to play kids instead. Where are they?
Mull over the latest Hardwick blunder. It would have cost us another game, were it not the Voss led lions that we played against. Hardwick doesn't deserve to coach this football club.
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Hardwick conceded that an imbalance in his on-ball make-up allowed Brisbane to seize initiative around congestion at times when he had top play-makers Dustin Martin and Shane Tuck sitting up forward at the same time. “At times we had Tuck and Martin in the forward line at the same time , which wasn’t meant to happen,” said the Tigers boss.
“So we lost a good clearance player around the scrimmages. “So we rectified that and started to get the ball moving our way.”
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I firmly believe a coach needs 5 years to stamp his authority and style on a team.After that "all bets are off"
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Tuck was left in the reserves thats cost us those close losses at the start of last season. Remember, he wanted to play kids instead. Where are they?
Helbig's been injured.
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The club seems to have focussed on young players they know will take 2 years on the list for us to be rewarded from (Darrou, Wright, Elton, Arnot, O'Hanlon, Verrier etc.).
Football is harsh, and too many on our list are not up to dominating the VFL, let alone standing up when called to the AFL.
None of the rookies from the first year draft are left. Most of the other picks are gone or average players at best. He recruited A Maric. One of the greatest duds of all time. Nason was better. Saw most of the players you mentioned above on the weekend.
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been having this debate with daniel. you dont expect rookies to make it its a bloody numbers game if you get one in six or there abouts to be a decent player you are doing okay.
of course westhoff, roberts, orielly, hicks, gilligan, polak and contin are gone what did you expect. sure it would be nice if one turned out okay but its not the end of the world just ask every other club.
i find it amusing and at the same time mindboggling that with all the information that we have nowadays people still expect most late picks and rookie picks to be gems. it doesnt work that way.
look at it this way. utiliseing the rookie draft to the max gives you a chance to find a decent player if your lucky maybe even two if your real lucky.
finally i have to say what the hell are we doing even rating young players from just 3 drafts ago especially rookie picks who come to a club with chronic weaknesses in their games unlike early picks. where the stuff is the patience.
its like hey matt dea is a dud hes had 3 yrs he should be dominating by now. never mind we took him as a late 3rd rnd pick who had only been in footy a short while.
every player is different and the case for or against is different for all of them. skinny 200cm ruckmen are not going to do well against afl ruckmen until they can physically cmpete build a moter etc so they may not be expected to even get a game for three yrs. you must look at each player individually.
dustin martin is a genuine talent big bodied and physically ready to go straight away. but he wont dominate consistently until he builds a big enough motor it may take 4 yrs to build that motor where it needs to be.
look at cotchin could not do a preseason due to his achilles.
give them a decent time time to prove themselves expect improvement and if there is none say so but writing them off geez ive read conca is no good neither is ellis batchelor has struggled at times do we right him off because of it.
matt arnot has not played agame what do we get delist the bum :o people really have no idea its a joke. arnot has showed heaps the big question again is his tank. be nice if he can get it to a level where he earns a game before the yr is out.
we are talking about 1st 2nd and 3rd yr players here and people are sooking already that we dont get a decent contribution out of them that is laughable.
astbury and griffiths are in yr 3 both are talls both have had their fair share of injury these guys when fit have been thrown in the deep end because there has been no one else yet the expectations are they should dominate. how wrong can people be even in yr 3 they are there for no other reason than the experience.
the first 4 picks from 2009 have all showed enough to warrant keeping when all the circumstances are looked at. of course improvement is to be expected and demanded. the only bad pick in that draft was taylor at 51 in hindsight his behavior was perhaps a risk we should not have taken.
the first 3 picks from 2010 look sound choices conca batchelor and helbig have all showed good signs cwhen considering their individual circumstances.
2011 well only ellis has played afl but elton a tall was he really expected to play this yr and arnott big body late pick no motor if he was to get a game it would only be for the experience same for elton.
it does my head in to see supporters with so little patience and such big expectations.
theres plenty of blokes at the club who have clear chronic weakness in their games and have been there for yrs. why we have to lay into the kids before they are ready and leave these glass half fulls alone is beyond me.
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Hardwick is a dead man walking.
HE HAS LEARNT NOTHING!
:banghead
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Hardwick is a dead man walking.
HE HAS LEARNT NOTHING!
:banghead
Ur a deadset stuffing troll
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he keeps rance in the team .. and brings back nahas ..
we will get pumped be Geelong and it's same ol Richmond
Newman is finished
rance is finished
nahas is finished
Jackson is finished
white gets another chance
lets see if Hardwick has the balls to make the right decisions
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he keeps rance in the team .. and brings back nahas ..
we will get pumped be Geelong and it's same ol Richmond
Newman is finished
rance is finished
nahas is finished
Jackson is finished
white gets another chance
lets see if Hardwick has the balls to make the right decisions
that games at the G not kadinia park, richmond by 4 goals :shh
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Hardwick is a dead man walking.
HE HAS LEARNT NOTHING!
:banghead
Hahahahahahahaha you're a funny bloke torch.
Where we're you Round 1-3?
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Hardwick is a dead man walking.
HE HAS LEARNT NOTHING!
:banghead
Hahahahahahahaha you're a funny bloke torch.
Where we're you Round 1-3?
He was waiting with bated breath for the chance to bump this thread
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:lol
so true
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Hardwick is a dead man walking.
HE HAS LEARNT NOTHING!
:banghead
Why are you going to sack him?
You can't and he won't be so I agree with Tucker your a funny bloke
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Get swooper back
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We lost to a team many predicted to be top 4 at their fortress ....by 1 point.
Get a grip.
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Get thread, love the irony :lol
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Whilst Hardwick has done GREAT things for the club, I mean GREAT.
I dont think he is a very smart coach. Last night really reminded me of the goldcoast game, kick a goal but then don't push our players back in the dieing minutes, or set up at the center square defensively..
Im not saying sack him, but he REALLY needs to learn from these mistakes.
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Whilst Hardwick has done GREAT things for the club, I mean GREAT.
I dont think he is a very smart coach. Last night really reminded me of the goldcoast game, kick a goal but then don't push our players back in the dieing minutes, or set up at the center square defensively..
Im not saying sack him, but he REALLY needs to learn from these mistakes.
I wouldv'e thought that with the addition of Choco and the expansion of our coaching department that someone else, along with Dimma, would be responsible for our failure to defend the lead. Surely, the defensive coach (Ross Smith?), would have practiced that all summer? Dimma needs to deal with him.
I also think that flooding back to defend a 5 point lead could also be counter productive with 2 minutes to go. A 6 point lead then fair enough but i always felt we needed to score again to lock the game away.
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surely things like that are up to the players to implement themselves?
there is not much chance that the runner can get out and instruct the midfielders on what they should be doing between the goal being kicked and the center bounce.
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surely things like that are up to the players to implement themselves?
there is not much chance that the runner can get out and instruct the midfielders on what they should be doing between the goal being kicked and the center bounce.
Yes, that too! Can't sack a coach because others have failed to do their job. Or can you? Is it the coaches fault they cannot execute a game plan when things are tight?Just playing the devil's advocate. Seriously though, Chappy, King and Morris may have helped in that situation but it is the players responsibility.
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If players are constantly not doing what they should then you have to look at the coach.
when it only happens in pressure situations then it is down to the individual players.
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It wasn't Hardwick's fault they got that last goal. Have a look at the yawning chasm of space our players left goalside of the boundary throw-in - the vision from behind the goals was damning and that is all down to the players lack of concentration and effort.
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Yep, and as GR12 pointed out, perhaps having chaplin out there may have helped prevent that.
One thing he does is take charge and make sure players are structuring up where they should be.
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Honestly this thread is as pathetic as the game itself and the umpiring! stuffing pathetic!
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Honestly this thread is as pathetic as the game itself and the umpiring! stuffing pathetic!
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Well said WAT
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It wasn't Hardwick's fault they got that last goal. Have a look at the yawning chasm of space our players left goalside of the boundary throw-in - the vision from behind the goals was damning and that is all down to the players lack of concentration and effort.
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Correct
I was at the other end of the ground and even I could see it ;D
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Hardwick is a dead man walking.
HE HAS LEARNT NOTHING!
:banghead
Why are you going to sack him?
You can't and he won't be so I agree with Tucker your a funny bloke
People disappointed but not dimmas fault we lost last night. I didnt post here last night, I thought Id just think about it a little bit before posting. So because I dont want to stuff up thread after thread here goes:
Fremantle is a better than us.
Fremantle were missing Pavlich and Sandilands its like us missing say Jack R and Maric
We didnt lose the game because we didnt defend properly.
The whole game came down to this IMHO, when we hit the front the ball went back to the centre. We needed to 1) get the centre clearance and get the ball into our forward line where we could have choked it up the ball or 2) get a clean possession ie. a mark from which we could then soak up time on the clock.
From memory Freo got the clearance and they spent the next period in our forward line from which Ballantyne scored. So thats it in a nutshell. I believe that our midfield isnt as good as everyone reckons. They often dont win clutch clearances.
On the brightside I think Vlastuin will be an A grader.
Disappointed but we live to fight another day - with DAMIEN HARDWICK running the place.
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Like it not Ramps we are missing Morris, Foley, Chappy, King, we played them there which puts them at a 5 goal advantage. Reality is we have more upside than them - Freo are overrated so its an opportunity missed.
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just like the tiger of old, its time to sack the coach
fairdinkum we are a predictable bunch.
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It wasn't Hardwick's fault they got that last goal. Have a look at the yawning chasm of space our players left goalside of the boundary throw-in - the vision from behind the goals was damning and that is all down to the players lack of concentration and effort.
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I was at the other end of the ground and even I could see it ;D
Yep you can't blame Hardwick for this.. On field leadership and accountability unfortunately isn't experienced as where it is required to be to win these sort of games consistently. This is why Geelong win 4 out of 5 of these games. Need simple footy smarts and awareness to protect the defensive side of a stoppage in D50 especially when there is under 90 seconds left on the clock.
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Popey, dare i say it but you are bang on, when it comes to crunch time and seconds remaining it is the damned on field leaders to shape up and get structures right....ffs :banghead
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My sources (good ones) have told me the bench was frantic in trying to get everyone back in the last 2 min. Hardwick did what he could. The players failed him miserably.
Still we are 3 and 2 and still in it. Very big game against Geelong next Saturday. We need to move on and focus on upsetting the Cats!
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My sources (good ones) have told me the bench was frantic in trying to get everyone back in the last 2 min. Hardwick did what he could. The players failed him miserably.
Still we are 3 and 2 and still in it. Very big game against Geelong next Saturday. We need to move on and focus on upsetting the Cats!
interesting to watch Stiffy in deep conversation with Cotch
after the game looked quite animated.
its about time these players stopped chopping up the coach.
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My sources (good ones) have told me the bench was frantic in trying to get everyone back in the last 2 min. Hardwick did what he could. The players failed him miserably.
Richo on 3aw just before confirmed this YABB. Our bench was yelling out and trying to get the message out to some of our forwards to push back but no one budged. So the blame lies with our selfish dumb forwards who all failed to do the team thing with no one instantly putting their hand up once Whitey kicked that goal and run back into our back half.
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It wasn't Hardwick's fault they got that last goal. Have a look at the yawning chasm of space our players left goalside of the boundary throw-in - the vision from behind the goals was damning and that is all down to the players lack of concentration and effort.
:bow :bow
Correct
I was at the other end of the ground and even I could see it ;D
You should've passed on the message
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only needed to keep 3 forwards in attack at that stage the others should have been on their way to defence when we lost the centre bounce clearance.
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jack was pointing to where they needed to be but like the boy who pointed at the wolf no-one GAF
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If that's the case, then its apologies to the Richmond coaching staff
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My sources (good ones) have told me the bench was frantic in trying to get everyone back in the last 2 min. Hardwick did what he could. The players failed him miserably.
Richo on 3aw just before confirmed this YABB. Our bench was yelling out and trying to get the message out to some of our forwards to push back but no one budged. So the blame lies with our selfish dumb forwards who all failed to do the team thing with no one instantly putting their hand up once Whitey kicked that goal and run back into our back half.
didn't we have issues with the GC game last year also, in that our bench was frantic
trying to get the message out there.
perhaps I suggest 2 cans and a piece of string might solve the problem.
seriously its about time these so called footballers are killing these coaches.
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My sources (good ones) have told me the bench was frantic in trying to get everyone back in the last 2 min. Hardwick did what he could. The players failed him miserably.
Richo on 3aw just before confirmed this YABB. Our bench was yelling out and trying to get the message out to some of our forwards to push back but no one budged. So the blame lies with our selfish dumb forwards who all failed to do the team thing with no one instantly putting their hand up once Whitey kicked that goal and run back into our back half.
didn't we have issues with the GC game last year also, in that our bench was frantic
trying to get the message out there.
perhaps I suggest 2 cans and a piece of string might solve the problem.
seriously its about time these so called footballers are killing these coaches.
Isnt there some sort of football intelligence test that AFL draftees should do before getting drafted. Seriously you have to be pretty dumb not to understand that when your infront by 5 points with 1 minute to go and the opposition have got a ball up or a throw in situation in their forward line that maybe you should try and run back and clog up the space. How come we always seem to recruit dumb footballers.
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My sources (good ones) have told me the bench was frantic in trying to get everyone back in the last 2 min. Hardwick did what he could. The players failed him miserably.
Richo on 3aw just before confirmed this YABB. Our bench was yelling out and trying to get the message out to some of our forwards to push back but no one budged. So the blame lies with our selfish dumb forwards who all failed to do the team thing with no one instantly putting their hand up once Whitey kicked that goal and run back into our back half.
didn't we have issues with the GC game last year also, in that our bench was frantic
trying to get the message out there.
perhaps I suggest 2 cans and a piece of string might solve the problem.
seriously its about time these so called footballers are killing these coaches.
Isnt there some sort of football intelligence test that AFL draftees should do before getting drafted. Seriously you have to be pretty dumb not to understand that when your infront by 5 points with 1 minute to go and the opposition have got a ball up or a throw in situation in their forward line that maybe you should try and run back and clog up the space. How come we always seem to recruit dumb footballers.
they are either dumb or lazy...or perhaps a combination of both.
coach killers.
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Like it not Ramps we are missing Morris, Foley, Chappy, King, we played them there which puts them at a 5 goal advantage. Reality is we have more upside than them - Freo are overrated so its an opportunity missed.
What hurts more was they were not at full strength either in Pavlich was missing. It hurts as we made 5 changes and could have and should have won. Winning last night meant we stayed above the threshold in that log jam for 6-10. Losing keeps us well and truly in the pack.
Freo are older but some of their kids were really good last night too.
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Like it not Ramps we are missing Morris, Foley, Chappy, King, we played them there which puts them at a 5 goal advantage. Reality is we have more upside than them - Freo are overrated so its an opportunity missed.
What hurts more was they were not at full strength either in Pavlich was missing. It hurts as we made 5 changes and could have and should have won. Winning last night meant we stayed above the threshold in that log jam for 6-10. Losing keeps us well and truly in the pack.
Freo are older but some of their kids were really good last night too.
Pav usually kicks 5 or 6 on his own and Sandilands usually does what he likes. I cant see how they had a 5 goal advantage. Morris may have helped us yesterday maybe King. Foley hardly ever plays these days and Chaplin is only new to our club.
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Like it not Ramps we are missing Morris, Foley, Chappy, King, we played them there which puts them at a 5 goal advantage. Reality is we have more upside than them - Freo are overrated so its an opportunity missed.
What hurts more was they were not at full strength either in Pavlich was missing. It hurts as we made 5 changes and could have and should have won. Winning last night meant we stayed above the threshold in that log jam for 6-10. Losing keeps us well and truly in the pack.
Freo are older but some of their kids were really good last night too.
Pav usually kicks 5 or 6 on his own and Sandilands usually does what he likes. I cant see how they had a 5 goal advantage. Morris may have helped us yesterday maybe King. Foley hardly ever plays these days and Chaplin is only new to our club.
Sandilands has barely played in the last few years Ramps. I reckon Bradley going down helped them though meaning we were taller down back. I would have done something out of left field and thrown a Rance to the forward line last night given that Jack gave us nothing to play on Johnson who was impassable for 2 quarters last night.
Being new to the club is not an issue as Knights is new too but his contribution was vital for us.
This is one that got away IMHO. A very winnable game that's why it hurts.
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I wanted Ken Hinkley but I support Hardwick and he should be given his 5 years.
I just hope he doesnt top up and go for glory when the list still has holes and needs the current youth to get games. From a list management sense. ie. Vlastuin vs Jackson
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I'm sorry to say our players lack basic football smarts and brains.The same thing happen against the Suns last year.Fancy blaming Dimma our leaders on the ground and senior players should take the blame.
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I'm sorry to say our players lack basic football smarts and brains.The same thing happen against the Suns last year.Fancy blaming Dimma our leaders on the ground and senior players should take the blame.
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I'm sorry to say our players lack basic football smarts and brains.The same thing happen against the Suns last year.Fancy blaming Dimma our leaders on the ground and senior players should take the blame.
We heard you the first time. ;D
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;D
So sorry to say it he said it twice
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It wasn't Hardwick's fault they got that last goal. Have a look at the yawning chasm of space our players left goalside of the boundary throw-in - the vision from behind the goals was damning and that is all down to the players lack of concentration and effort.
:bow :bow
Correct
I was at the other end of the ground and even I could see it ;D
You should've passed on the message
You should know no me ever listens to me, they hear but they don't listen ;)
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I'm sorry to say our players lack basic football smarts and brains.The same thing happen against the Suns last year.Fancy blaming Dimma our leaders on the ground and senior players should take the blame.
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I'm sorry to say our players lack basic football smarts and brains.The same thing happen against the Suns last year.Fancy blaming Dimma our leaders on the ground and senior players should take the blame.
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The Downfall Begins ...
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The Downfall Begins ...
Wonder if he gets nervous when Newman knocks on his door ;)
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Ifchimp has injury hr should not be playing
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If we can not start playing 1-on-1 football at some point we aren't going anywhere. We certainly never zone off and fill any holes in defence. I am no longer confident that Hardwick as the brains to take us forward.
Now he says we have good players to come back in and reverts straight to the injuries with Vickery and Ivan.
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If we can not start playing 1-on-1 football at some point we aren't going anywhere. We certainly never zone off and fill any holes in defence. I am no longer confident that Hardwick as the brains to take us forward.
Now he says we have good players to come back in and reverts straight to the injuries with Vickery and Ivan.
The thing is we've gone the hawks model of playing a zone and pressing game, unfortunately it looks like it just hasnt been taken by the players which is concerning. You continually see players still arent that well drilled, you contantly see 2 players going to guard the same space, by the time one realises he should go elsewhere the opposition has sliced through us. I've been saying it since round 1, looks like the balance between guarding space and going at the contest hard isnt quite right, I hope it gets fine tuned pretty quick bc good sides will continue to take us apart.
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HARDWICK IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FWD
TOO SOFT
TOO STUPID
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If we can not start playing 1-on-1 football at some point we aren't going anywhere. We certainly never zone off and fill any holes in defence. I am no longer confident that Hardwick as the brains to take us forward.
Now he says we have good players to come back in and reverts straight to the injuries with Vickery and Ivan.
The thing is we've gone the hawks model of playing a zone and pressing game, unfortunately it looks like it just hasnt been taken by the players which is concerning. You continually see players still arent that well drilled, you contantly see 2 players going to guard the same space, by the time one realises he should go elsewhere the opposition has sliced through us. I've been saying it since round 1, looks like the balance between guarding space and going at the contest hard isnt quite right, I hope it gets fine tuned pretty quick bc good sides will continue to take us apart.
i find this particularly disturbing, although it answers a few questions
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Against Freo I felt that they filled space one kick down play much better than we did.
Against Geelong I felt we positioned around the pack poorly (Note I only saw the third quarter) and they out muscled us.
In general I am somewhat concerned with us being out muscled, Geelong are a very large side but we have been adding weight and shouldn't be being out muscled.
They also tended to get more players to the fall of the ball during that quarter. Maybe they just played better.
Still saying all that its a much better performance than 4 or 5 years ago when they were clobbering us by 100 pts. We are on the right track its just been a terrible time to rebuild and we're not there yet by any step of the imagination.
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157 or 159 :-[
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We beat two bottom 4 sides, st kilda and western bulldogs and fluked a win against Carlton. Hardwick almost cost us that win by going ultra defensive. The only thing that saved us was Yarran couldn't kick straight.
Our list has improved, our facilities have improved, our finances have improved, our football department spending has improved, our coaching and game plan hasn't.
People who put blind faith in Hardwick and play up "the coach doesn't matter" line should have a look at Port from Primus to Hinkley. This is Hardwicks 4th year and he was an assistance for a fair period of time as well. If he hasn't been able to compete on match day by now, its not likely he ever will. If he hasn't been able to drill into players how to win a close game when we are in front by now, what is his purpose?
Need to come up with a succession plan. We might make the finals because of the unevenness of the competition at the bottom end, but Hardwick isn't the coach that will bring us our next flag.
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We beat two bottom 4 sides, st kilda and western bulldogs and fluked a win against Carlton. Hardwick almost cost us that win by going ultra defensive. The only thing that saved us was Yarran couldn't kick straight.
Our list has improved, our facilities have improved, our finances have improved, our football department spending has improved, our coaching and game plan hasn't.
People who put blind faith in Hardwick and play up "the coach doesn't matter" line should have a look at Port from Primus to Hinkley. This is Hardwicks 4th year and he was an assistance for a fair period of time as well. If he hasn't been able to compete on match day by now, its not likely he ever will. If he hasn't been able to drill into players how to win a close game when we are in front by now, what is his purpose?
Need to come up with a succession plan. We might make the finals because of the unevenness of the competition at the bottom end, but Hardwick isn't the coach that will bring us our next flag.
I would say if Stiffy is on the chopping block wouldn't the assistants be as well?
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We beat two bottom 4 sides, st kilda and western bulldogs and fluked a win against Carlton. Hardwick almost cost us that win by going ultra defensive. The only thing that saved us was Yarran couldn't kick straight.
Our list has improved, our facilities have improved, our finances have improved, our football department spending has improved, our coaching and game plan hasn't.
People who put blind faith in Hardwick and play up "the coach doesn't matter" line should have a look at Port from Primus to Hinkley. This is Hardwicks 4th year and he was an assistance for a fair period of time as well. If he hasn't been able to compete on match day by now, its not likely he ever will. If he hasn't been able to drill into players how to win a close game when we are in front by now, what is his purpose?
Need to come up with a succession plan. We might make the finals because of the unevenness of the competition at the bottom end, but Hardwick isn't the coach that will bring us our next flag.
I dont know if Dimma is the one who will get us our next flag either, that will be determined by the end of his current contract (next year), but he's done a fine job rebuilding us from scratch in the time he's been here. We'll have to wait and see, but calling for a succession plan now is a bit premature. We'll know a lot more by seasons end and should be confirmed mid year next year one way or another
I've always said the hard part starts now(2013) when there is a bit of expectation in the air.
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We beat two bottom 4 sides, st kilda and western bulldogs and fluked a win against Carlton. Hardwick almost cost us that win by going ultra defensive. The only thing that saved us was Yarran couldn't kick straight.
Our list has improved, our facilities have improved, our finances have improved, our football department spending has improved, our coaching and game plan hasn't.
People who put blind faith in Hardwick and play up "the coach doesn't matter" line should have a look at Port from Primus to Hinkley. This is Hardwicks 4th year and he was an assistance for a fair period of time as well. If he hasn't been able to compete on match day by now, its not likely he ever will. If he hasn't been able to drill into players how to win a close game when we are in front by now, what is his purpose?
Need to come up with a succession plan. We might make the finals because of the unevenness of the competition at the bottom end, but Hardwick isn't the coach that will bring us our next flag.
100% Spot On! :thumbsup
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Everybody saying we should sack Hardwick need to have their heads read.
This is the same attitude that has kept the team in the lower regions of the ladder for 30 years.
Can you understand that it is a personnel problem at Richmond, not a coaching problem?
It does't matter if you have the leading Professor in Education in the world if you give them a class full of severely autistic children then they will not produce rocket scientists!
Unfortunately, for Hardwick, he came in and cleaned out as much as was contractually possible and then began the long road of team rebuilding. This was as little as just over 3 years ago. In the time we spent near the bottom, we had to put up with one pick equivalent to a mid 20's pick because of GC concessions. The next year he had to endure similar problems with GWS's concessions. Last year we had pick 9 as well as putting up with compensation picks.
Now I want to ask all the smarties here, how would he be expected to have a top 4 team or even a top 8 team with certainty under these conditions.
I think he has done a remarkable job in making us competitive. Other clubs like Melbourne who many in the industry placed ahead of us in 2009, are a lot worse off despite having better draft choice selections. Our young guns have had no role models to copy in the team, something that Geelong/Hawthorn/Collingwood youngsters have in bucket loads. We didn't ever tank like a West Coast. We haven't even had as good selections as Port (who by the way still have players in the team with finals experience).
So you see, blaming Hardwick on him being unable to drill players on how to win a close game is unfair. If you've been to training, a lot of effort has gone into defence. If the players are not good enough, Hardwick will have to slowly get rid of them and replace them. This takes time. We need another two years before our leaders have the experience and hardness to pull the new lot of 22 to 24 year olds along for the ride. In the mean time hopefully we will be replenishing our 18 to 22 year olds through drafts and development.
Get off Hardwick's back!!!!
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Everybody saying we should sack Hardwick need to have their heads read.
This is the same attitude that has kept the team in the lower regions of the ladder for 30 years.
Can you understand that it is a personnel problem at Richmond, not a coaching problem?
It does't matter if you have the leading Professor in Education in the world if you give them a class full of severely autistic children then they will not produce rocket scientists!
Unfortunately, for Hardwick, he came in and cleaned out as much as was contractually possible and then began the long road of team rebuilding. This was as little as just over 3 years ago. In the time we spent near the bottom, we had to put up with one pick equivalent to a mid 20's pick because of GC concessions. The next year he had to endure similar problems with GWS's concessions. Last year we had pick 9 as well as putting up with compensation picks.
Now I want to ask all the smarties here, how would he be expected to have a top 4 team or even a top 8 team with certainty under these conditions.
I think he has done a remarkable job in making us competitive. Other clubs like Melbourne who many in the industry placed ahead of us in 2009, are a lot worse off despite having better draft choice selections. Our young guns have had no role models to copy in the team, something that Geelong/Hawthorn/Collingwood youngsters have in bucket loads. We didn't ever tank like a West Coast. We haven't even had as good selections as Port (who by the way still have players in the team with finals experience).
So you see, blaming Hardwick on him being unable to drill players on how to win a close game is unfair. If you've been to training, a lot of effort has gone into defence. If the players are not good enough, Hardwick will have to slowly get rid of them and replace them. This takes time. We need another two years before our leaders have the experience and hardness to pull the new lot of 22 to 24 year olds along for the ride. In the mean time hopefully we will be replenishing our 18 to 22 year olds through drafts and development.
Get off Hardwick's back!!!!
:clapping :bow :thumbsup
Great post
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We beat two bottom 4 sides, st kilda and western bulldogs and fluked a win against Carlton. Hardwick almost cost us that win by going ultra defensive. The only thing that saved us was Yarran couldn't kick straight.
Our list has improved, our facilities have improved, our finances have improved, our football department spending has improved, our coaching and game plan hasn't.
People who put blind faith in Hardwick and play up "the coach doesn't matter" line should have a look at Port from Primus to Hinkley. This is Hardwicks 4th year and he was an assistance for a fair period of time as well. If he hasn't been able to compete on match day by now, its not likely he ever will. If he hasn't been able to drill into players how to win a close game when we are in front by now, what is his purpose?
Need to come up with a succession plan. We might make the finals because of the unevenness of the competition at the bottom end, but Hardwick isn't the coach that will bring us our next flag.
Time to put the plug back in
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Everybody saying we should sack Hardwick need to have their heads read.
This is the same attitude that has kept the team in the lower regions of the ladder for 30 years.
Can you understand that it is a personnel problem at Richmond, not a coaching problem?
It does't matter if you have the leading Professor in Education in the world if you give them a class full of severely autistic children then they will not produce rocket scientists!
Unfortunately, for Hardwick, he came in and cleaned out as much as was contractually possible and then began the long road of team rebuilding. This was as little as just over 3 years ago. In the time we spent near the bottom, we had to put up with one pick equivalent to a mid 20's pick because of GC concessions. The next year he had to endure similar problems with GWS's concessions. Last year we had pick 9 as well as putting up with compensation picks.
Now I want to ask all the smarties here, how would he be expected to have a top 4 team or even a top 8 team with certainty under these conditions.
I think he has done a remarkable job in making us competitive. Other clubs like Melbourne who many in the industry placed ahead of us in 2009, are a lot worse off despite having better draft choice selections. Our young guns have had no role models to copy in the team, something that Geelong/Hawthorn/Collingwood youngsters have in bucket loads. We didn't ever tank like a West Coast. We haven't even had as good selections as Port (who by the way still have players in the team with finals experience).
So you see, blaming Hardwick on him being unable to drill players on how to win a close game is unfair. If you've been to training, a lot of effort has gone into defence. If the players are not good enough, Hardwick will have to slowly get rid of them and replace them. This takes time. We need another two years before our leaders have the experience and hardness to pull the new lot of 22 to 24 year olds along for the ride. In the mean time hopefully we will be replenishing our 18 to 22 year olds through drafts and development.
Get off Hardwick's back!!!!
:clapping :bow :thumbsup
Great post
That all sounds about right....
But ask yourself the question- do you think DH is a good coach? Not is he a good list manager.. Or not if he has been hardly done by in terms of draft picks.. Not did he inherit a car wreck of a list?
I personally think he has done OK till now. Not great by any means but enough to be still given another opportunity to prove himself a good coach.
The real questions for me now are the following-
Is he actually a good coach on game day?
Does he have a good eye for talent?
Is he good at the selection table?
Has he employed the right coaching staff?
Is his style of footy the style that's going to win us enough games to get us into the finals?
Does he have a plan B?..... Or C?
Is he a good developer of young players?
Is he forward thinking enough to get ahead of the other clubs?
Can he see things that other cannot see?
Do the players play for him?
How do you score him?
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Everybody saying we should sack Hardwick need to have their heads read.
This is the same attitude that has kept the team in the lower regions of the ladder for 30 years.
Can you understand that it is a personnel problem at Richmond, not a coaching problem?
It does't matter if you have the leading Professor in Education in the world if you give them a class full of severely autistic children then they will not produce rocket scientists!
Unfortunately, for Hardwick, he came in and cleaned out as much as was contractually possible and then began the long road of team rebuilding. This was as little as just over 3 years ago. In the time we spent near the bottom, we had to put up with one pick equivalent to a mid 20's pick because of GC concessions. The next year he had to endure similar problems with GWS's concessions. Last year we had pick 9 as well as putting up with compensation picks.
Now I want to ask all the smarties here, how would he be expected to have a top 4 team or even a top 8 team with certainty under these conditions.
I think he has done a remarkable job in making us competitive. Other clubs like Melbourne who many in the industry placed ahead of us in 2009, are a lot worse off despite having better draft choice selections. Our young guns have had no role models to copy in the team, something that Geelong/Hawthorn/Collingwood youngsters have in bucket loads. We didn't ever tank like a West Coast. We haven't even had as good selections as Port (who by the way still have players in the team with finals experience).
So you see, blaming Hardwick on him being unable to drill players on how to win a close game is unfair. If you've been to training, a lot of effort has gone into defence. If the players are not good enough, Hardwick will have to slowly get rid of them and replace them. This takes time. We need another two years before our leaders have the experience and hardness to pull the new lot of 22 to 24 year olds along for the ride. In the mean time hopefully we will be replenishing our 18 to 22 year olds through drafts and development.
Get off Hardwick's back!!!!
:clapping :bow :thumbsup
Great post
That all sounds about right....
But ask yourself the question- do you think DH is a good coach? Not is he a good list manager.. Or not if he has been hardly done by in terms of draft picks.. Not did he inherit a car wreck of a list?
I personally think he has done OK till now. Not great by any means but enough to be still given another opportunity to prove himself a good coach.
The real questions for me now are the following-
Is he actually a good coach on game day?
Does he have a good eye for talent?
Is he good at the selection table?
Has he employed the right coaching staff?
Is his style of footy the style that's going to win us enough games to get us into the finals?
Does he have a plan B?..... Or C?
Is he a good developer of young players?
Is he forward thinking enough to get ahead of the other clubs?
Can he see things that other cannot see?
Do the players play for him?
How do you score him?
Fair questions but they are almost impossible to answer.
Barassi was supposedly one of the greatest game day coaches of all time. He went to Melbourne and had a shocking record there. Bottom line is that you still need the players that can play! You need players that will push themselves to the limit and work just as hard defensively as offensively. We don't have enough of them. We have development coaches with great experience (Williams) so we don't need Hardwick to play a huge role there.
The most important thing at the moment is the players love him and play for him.
If he loses them we will go backwards fast. It is then that we will need a change.
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The real questions for me now are the following-
Is he actually a good coach on game day?
Does he have a good eye for talent?
Is he good at the selection table?
Has he employed the right coaching staff?
Is his style of footy the style that's going to win us enough games to get us into the finals?
Does he have a plan B?..... Or C?
Is he a good developer of young players?
Is he forward thinking enough to get ahead of the other clubs?
Can he see things that other cannot see?
Do the players play for him?
How do you score him?
Really good questions big tone
Bloody hard to answer because in part it comes back to ones expectations of where we are at and if you are satisfied with that and where we are heading
Having said I'll give it a go and will score each out of 10 where appropriate.
Is he actually a good coach on game day? 7 - into his 4th year think he still has a few bad days. think he needs to be more proactive at times when teams get a run on
Does he have a good eye for talent? N/A IMV - only because it is the job of recruiters to find the talent, not his. All a coach can do is say I want a certain type pf player then it's up to the recruiters to find those who can best do that job. They don't watch potential recruits live all he gets is the vision and the recommendations
Is he good at the selection table? 3-4 this is his biggest weakness IMV, backs blokes who constantly let him and our team down. Should drop them but wont
Has he employed the right coaching staff? 8.5 yes, especially bringing in Williams and bringing back Tim Clarke
Is his style of footy the style that's going to win us enough games to get us into the finals? 8.5 yep - it's a good brand of footy when it is executed properly blody exciting to watch
Does he have a plan B?..... Or C? Some days you really have to wonder. But the Collingwood game is a great example. as part of my coterie membership we get Pre-match briefings for certain games. First one for 2013 was the Pies game we get told what the plan is for the day and what they are supposed to do if teams get a run on against us. Can tell you we had a plan "B" for when or if the Pies got the run on our players didn't adhere to that
Is he a good developer of young players? 7.5 - yes, the improvement in Rance is a case in point. Rance was going nowhere under the previous regime
Is he forward thinking enough to get ahead of the other clubs? In a way too early to answer. That he can come up with a game plan that can beat last year's Grand Finalists shows he is a thinker. But unfortunately losing games like we did last year against GC and the other week agaisnt Freo raises doubts
Can he see things that other cannot see? See previous question/aswer
Do the players play for him? 10 - not a doubt in my mind about this one. 100% yes
Ready for the whacks heading my way ;D
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The real questions for me now are the following-
Is he actually a good coach on game day?
Does he have a good eye for talent?
Is he good at the selection table?
Has he employed the right coaching staff?
Is his style of footy the style that's going to win us enough games to get us into the finals?
Does he have a plan B?..... Or C?
Is he a good developer of young players?
Is he forward thinking enough to get ahead of the other clubs?
Can he see things that other cannot see?
Do the players play for him?
How do you score him?
Really good questions big tone
Bloody hard to answer because in part it comes back to ones expectations of where we are at and if you are satisfied with that and where we are heading
Having said I'll give it a go and will score each out of 10 where appropriate.
Is he actually a good coach on game day? 7 - into his 4th year think he still has a few bad days. think he needs to be more proactive at times when teams get a run on
Does he have a good eye for talent? N/A IMV - only because it is the job of recruiters to find the talent, not his. All a coach can do is say I want a certain type pf player then it's up to the recruiters to find those who can best do that job. They don't watch potential recruits live all he gets is the vision and the recommendations
Is he good at the selection table? 3-4 this is his biggest weakness IMV, backs blokes who constantly let him and our team down. Should drop them but wont
Has he employed the right coaching staff? 8.5 yes, especially bringing in Williams and bringing back Tim Clarke
Is his style of footy the style that's going to win us enough games to get us into the finals? 8.5 yep - it's a good brand of footy when it is executed properly blody exciting to watch
Does he have a plan B?..... Or C? Some days you really have to wonder. But the Collingwood game is a great example. as part of my coterie membership we get Pre-match briefings for certain games. First one for 2013 was the Pies game we get told what the plan is for the day and what they are supposed to do if teams get a run on against us. Can tell you we had a plan "B" for when or if the Pies got the run on our players didn't adhere to that
Is he a good developer of young players? 7.5 - yes, the improvement in Rance is a case in point. Rance was going nowhere under the previous regime
Is he forward thinking enough to get ahead of the other clubs? In a way too early to answer. That he can come up with a game plan that can beat last year's Grand Finalists shows he is a thinker. But unfortunately losing games like we did last year against GC and the other week agaisnt Freo raises doubts
Can he see things that other cannot see? See previous question/aswer
Do the players play for him? 10 - not a doubt in my mind about this one. 100% yes
Ready for the whacks heading my way ;D
What was plan A and what was plan B
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In Dimma we trust.
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Everybody saying we should sack Hardwick need to have their heads read.
This is the same attitude that has kept the team in the lower regions of the ladder for 30 years.
Can you understand that it is a personnel problem at Richmond, not a coaching problem?
It does't matter if you have the leading Professor in Education in the world if you give them a class full of severely autistic children then they will not produce rocket scientists!
Unfortunately, for Hardwick, he came in and cleaned out as much as was contractually possible and then began the long road of team rebuilding. This was as little as just over 3 years ago. In the time we spent near the bottom, we had to put up with one pick equivalent to a mid 20's pick because of GC concessions. The next year he had to endure similar problems with GWS's concessions. Last year we had pick 9 as well as putting up with compensation picks.
Now I want to ask all the smarties here, how would he be expected to have a top 4 team or even a top 8 team with certainty under these conditions.
I think he has done a remarkable job in making us competitive. Other clubs like Melbourne who many in the industry placed ahead of us in 2009, are a lot worse off despite having better draft choice selections. Our young guns have had no role models to copy in the team, something that Geelong/Hawthorn/Collingwood youngsters have in bucket loads. We didn't ever tank like a West Coast. We haven't even had as good selections as Port (who by the way still have players in the team with finals experience).
So you see, blaming Hardwick on him being unable to drill players on how to win a close game is unfair. If you've been to training, a lot of effort has gone into defence. If the players are not good enough, Hardwick will have to slowly get rid of them and replace them. This takes time. We need another two years before our leaders have the experience and hardness to pull the new lot of 22 to 24 year olds along for the ride. In the mean time hopefully we will be replenishing our 18 to 22 year olds through drafts and development.
Get off Hardwick's back!!!!
Great post :thumbsup..will be lost on some in here.
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I have a question for you all,
WHy is it that port and nth and essendon, have gone right past us?
WHy is it that other teams have improved faster and for longer than us?
We better beat Port or the natives will be restless
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I have a question for you all,
WHy is it that port and nth and essendon, have gone right past us?
WHy is it that other teams have improved faster and for longer than us?
6 rounds in.Lets wait and see.
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I have a question for you all,
WHy is it that port and nth and essendon, have gone right past us?
WHy is it that other teams have improved faster and for longer than us?
We better beat Port or the natives will be restless
Port were better than us before 2 years of p-poor coaching dropped them down the ladder. No surprise that they've recovered quickly because their basic list structure was still ok.
North were never worse than us in recent times.
Ditto Essendon.
Other teams haven't improved as much as us, we have just had to come from so much further back that I think a lot have forgotten just how far behind EVERY other club we were.
Yes Blaisee, I agree the natives will be very restless, justified or not! :help
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We have to shake off the psychological inferiority complex. It irritates me and it is reflected in the language used even by the club, it immediately creates a mindset of being inferior to the teams that have been floating around the top of the eight for some time. I really hope they don't talk the same poo behind closed doors with players, they need to be arrogant, angry and be discussing how to pull these arseholes off of their perches not how they aspire to be like them... stuff THEM, they shouldn't be the poo on their boots! Grow some stuffing hair on them peaches and start busting some stuffing heads, stop going to stuffing water whenever the pressure is on!
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essendon have gone past us because they rarely go into their shell.
The pies game sums it up perfectly. The difference between the game we played and game the bombers played up until half time was identical.
After halftime: we all know what happened.
The pies attacked us and we went into our shell.
The Pies attacked the bombers and the bombers responded with their own attacking.
I don't believe the bombers are that much different to us in terms of available skill, talent, types of players etc. But they attack and hunt on a consistent basis.
If we are any chance to be on par with the bombers and in the 8 this year, we MUST attack and take the game on.
It will be interesting to see if the same thing happens on friday night with the bombers vs cats.
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I have a question for you all,
WHy is it that port and nth and essendon, have gone right past us?
WHy is it that other teams have improved faster and for longer than us?
We better beat Port or the natives will be restless
Port beat Melbourne then GWS then Adelaide by 9points then Suns then West Coast by 5.
Lost to North and now play us Carlton and Geelong
Port will crash and burn lucky to get to 10 wins. We should be in front of them
With North they have been higher on the ladder than us since 2007. We will be going past them not the other way around.
Essendon have played in two finals series and finished higher than us last 4 years.
Port are not going past us. North and Essendon have been in front of us in recent years.
Start worrying if Melbourne goes past us.
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We have to shake off the psychological inferiority complex. It irritates me and it is reflected in the language used even by the club, it immediately creates a mindset of being inferior to the teams that have been floating around the top of the eight for some time. I really hope they don't talk the same poo behind closed doors with players, they need to be arrogant, angry and be discussing how to pull these arseholes off of their perches not how they aspire to be like them... stuff THEM, they shouldn't be the poo on their boots! Grow some stuffing hair on them peaches and start busting some stuffing heads, stop going to stuffing water whenever the pressure is on!
Really agree with this Owl. :clapping
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I have a question for you all,
WHy is it that port and nth and essendon, have gone right past us?
WHy is it that other teams have improved faster and for longer than us?
We better beat Port or the natives will be restless
With Port their list was/is lot better than people gave them credit for, had some shocking injuries last year and didn't invest in their footy program. Now they are they are reaping the benefits. But the season 6 weeks old, let's wait to see how they go against the top teams eg Geelong, Sydney, Pies & Hawthorn
Don't think they've passed us at all, think based on their list of kids we are on par
Don't believe North have passed us, they've been ahead of us over the last few years because they have compared to us a mature list (see Harvey, Petrie, Firitto) who've supported their kids coming through. Who are now only showing some consistency BTW. Think we are about to go past them to be honest. They made finals last year because they won close games on the home stretch, so far in 2013 theyhaven't onethe close ones
Bombers - again the core of their list is further developed than ours. Experienced bodies to help the kids, we haven't had that in the last few years. Our record against them in the last couple of years suggests we are close to them if not on par
Again let's not get sucked in to their record after 6 rounds. Same sceanrio as 2012 for the Bombers and we know what happened in the 2nd half of 2012. Will watch with interest
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People always under-estimate how far behind the pack we were for years. The other clubs must have been giggling like school girls when clubs like ourselves and Melbourne stripped our squads back to the core and flooded it with youth. Teams like Sydney and Collingwood now have never needed to do this because they have just continue to stockpile talent, develop them, test them in the VFL and make sure they are AFL ready before bring them into the side to be supported heavily by the experienced campaigners around them.
Getting rid of all your experience, strong bodies and leaders, regardless of their playing ability, over a couple of seasons leaves scars for half a decade.This is why we recruiters so many older players to the list with trading away young talent this last draft. I think it was our best draft ever - not necessarily because of the players we brought through but how we went about it systematically attempting to fill needs. We used our rookie spots for depth/cover and ND picks for the future - fantastic.
Unfortunately, we didn't do this early and now we lack leadership, lack maturity and lack team consistency. We're on the right track but in close games or games when Plan A is failing the players are lost. You can say this is due to poor coaching but in the heat of the contest, if what you have been trained to do is failing, you need to confidence in yourself to change your thinking firstly and then the confidence in others that they will follow you if you are a leader. We are still 2/3 years off this.
Hardwick does have problems during game day. Whether this is due to him not planning enough for potential problems, not being able to think on his feet quickly enough or most likely, not being able to communicate to the players the changes and have them complete the new role quickly enough - I'm undecided.
Do I think he will take us to the GF - I'm not sure but I am certain he has assembled the best coaches around him to get the best out of his players going forward. They are improving and we are improving as a club and a large part of that is Dimma and his ability to work with people.
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Owl and Stripes posts make most sense to me.
On recruiting experienced players.
Good - Creates Depth, Masks deficiencies, increases overall competitiveness
Bad - Less games, draft picks, development of juniors, recycled players generally have deficiencies.
I personally am in favor of the mature age recruits at Richmond. But the reason I am in favor is a further indictment on Hardwick. The Juniors we have recruited in the last four years haven't developed and are not contributing at senior level.
Look at the pre-hardwick players that fill senior roles now:
King, Edwards, Jackson, McGuane, Deledio, Cotchin, White. Reiwoldt, Vickery, Rance, Newman.
Then look at the mature age recruits:
Morris, Chaplin, Petterd, Houli, Grigg, Maric, Knights,
Then look at Hardwicks recruits, his kids, this is where the dominant players for GF push should be coming from:
Vlastuin (1st year), Ellis (2nd year and ordinary skills), Grimes (Perma injured), Martin (No 3 draft pick). Then Zipp, 4 players. two top 10 draft picks, incredibly poor result.
We can make all the excuses in the world for Hardwick. The key areas where a coach must deliver, Game Plan, Match Day Coaching and Junior Player Development, he has failed. Do we keep accepting this failure in the hope he will turn it around and for how long do we wait mired in mediocrity.
I am over people downgrading the list and blaming past coaches. Half the senior side are from previous regimes. If the list was so bad previously, why do all these players keep getting games. If it is so bad, why do we keep getting in front against good sides only to lose. Four years in, list argument is weak. Responsibility for match day performance largely rests on Hardwicks shoulders.
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All good points guys,
BUt ,
It may well be the case because they have better coaches, recruiting, leadership and culture,
I hope not, but its possible, even probable at this stage.
This year is a watershed year. we need to get our season back on tracvk and it has to start this week.
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It's taken us a long time to get back to ninth, dont **** it up now
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Owl and Stripes posts make most sense to me.
On recruiting experienced players.
Good - Creates Depth, Masks deficiencies, increases overall competitiveness
Bad - Less games, draft picks, development of juniors, recycled players generally have deficiencies.
I personally am in favor of the mature age recruits at Richmond. But the reason I am in favor is a further indictment on Hardwick. The Juniors we have recruited in the last four years haven't developed and are not contributing at senior level.
Look at the pre-hardwick players that fill senior roles now:
King, Edwards, Jackson, McGuane, Deledio, Cotchin, White. Reiwoldt, Vickery, Rance, Newman.
Then look at the mature age recruits:
Morris, Chaplin, Petterd, Houli, Grigg, Maric, Knights,
Then look at Hardwicks recruits, his kids, this is where the dominant players for GF push should be coming from:
Vlastuin (1st year), Ellis (2nd year and ordinary skills), Grimes (Perma injured), Martin (No 3 draft pick). Then Zipp, 4 players. two top 10 draft picks, incredibly poor result.
We can make all the excuses in the world for Hardwick. The key areas where a coach must deliver, Game Plan, Match Day Coaching and Junior Player Development, he has failed. Do we keep accepting this failure in the hope he will turn it around and for how long do we wait mired in mediocrity.
I am over people downgrading the list and blaming past coaches. Half the senior side are from previous regimes. If the list was so bad previously, why do all these players keep getting games. If it is so bad, why do we keep getting in front against good sides only to lose. Four years in, list argument is weak. Responsibility for match day performance largely rests on Hardwicks shoulders.
Morris has been very good. An excellent choice.
Chaplin is too early to tell. Not having a preseason hasn't helped his cause. Petterd is a rookie. Unfair to lump him with the recruits although I'm not sure why he was elevated. Grigg was fantastic last year. Not sure what's going on this year. Maric was a revelation last year but a groin complaint has made him lame this year so it's unfair to blame Hardwick for that. Houli is NOT a backman. Not sure why he is continually played there. Knights has been reasonable after recovering form a calf.
I think Vlas will be very good. Ellis has better skill than you give him credit for. Cannot blame Hardwick for Grimes injury woes. Martin is a gun.
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Agree with the recruiting criticism , but that would be on Francis Jackson i would have thought
If there is one person at this club whose position should be under pressure it is him...
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Agree with the recruiting criticism , but that would be on Francis Jackson i would have thought
If there is one person at this club whose position should be under pressure it is him...
Ok then.
Who would you have recruited, given our position and the draft concessions. Remember you will have the huge advantage of hindsight. FJ didn't have that!
Fire away!
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Fyfe over griffiths, heppell over conca for starters....
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Does he have a good eye for talent? N/A IMV - only because it is the job of recruiters to find the talent, not his. All a coach can do is say I want a certain type pf player then it's up to the recruiters to find those who can best do that job. They don't watch potential recruits live all he gets is the vision and the recommendations
Has he employed the right coaching staff? 8.5 yes, especially bringing in Williams and bringing back Tim Clarke
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You can make some of the "good eye for talent" based on his list decisions.
Just from last year - delist Browne, Connors, Post, Webberley. Trade Graham. Keep Derickx, White. Fill with experienced players for "insurance".
Those would all be largely his decisions as they are for all senior coaches and they do get judged harshly (in hindsight) on this.
I agree he is not making the decisions on specific players coming in but you can make a call on who he lets go.
I also don't think Williams is a good choice as Forward Coach. ;)
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Agree with the recruiting criticism , but that would be on Francis Jackson i would have thought
If there is one person at this club whose position should be under pressure it is him...
Ok then.
Who would you have recruited, given our position and the draft concessions. Remember you will have the huge advantage of hindsight. FJ didn't have that!
Fire away!
2006: E. McKenzie/S. Edwards
2007: Mayne/Morton, Hooker/Putt, Bellchambers/Gourdis, Joseph/Collard.
2008: McKernan/Post, Anthony/Thompson, Rockliff/Hislop, J.McKenzie/Cousins, DeBoer/Nahas, Delaney/Gourdis
2009: Barlow/Webberley, Thompson/Nason, Fyfe/Griffith, Reid/Astbury, Stratton/Dea, Markovic/Taylor
Change coaches
2010: Heppel/Conca, Howe/Batchelor. Giles/ Derickx, T McDonald/D MacDonald, Pederson/Jakobi,
So you lose from the current list - Edwards. Nahas. Griffith, Astbury, Dea, Conca and Batchelor.
You include - E. McKenzie, Mayne, Hooker, Bellchambers, Joseph, McKernan, Anthony, Rockliff, J McKenzie, DeBoer, L. Delaney, Barlow, L Thompson, Fyfe, Reid, Stratton. Markovic, Heppel, Howe, Giles, T McDonald.
or
Hooker E McKenzie Joseph
DeBoer T McDonald Stratton
Heppel J McKenzie Anthony
Howe McKernan Mayne
Rockliff Reid Giles
Bellchambers Barlow Fyfe
Int: L Delaney, Markovic, L Thompson, Pederson.
Yeah, that was fun, Thanks for the invitation. ;)
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Owl and Stripes posts make most sense to me.
On recruiting experienced players.
Good - Creates Depth, Masks deficiencies, increases overall competitiveness
Bad - Less games, draft picks, development of juniors, recycled players generally have deficiencies.
I personally am in favor of the mature age recruits at Richmond. But the reason I am in favor is a further indictment on Hardwick. The Juniors we have recruited in the last four years haven't developed and are not contributing at senior level.
Look at the pre-hardwick players that fill senior roles now:
King, Edwards, Jackson, McGuane, Deledio, Cotchin, White. Reiwoldt, Vickery, Rance, Newman.
Then look at the mature age recruits:
Morris, Chaplin, Petterd, Houli, Grigg, Maric, Knights,
Then look at Hardwicks recruits, his kids, this is where the dominant players for GF push should be coming from:
Vlastuin (1st year), Ellis (2nd year and ordinary skills), Grimes (Perma injured), Martin (No 3 draft pick). Then Zipp, 4 players. two top 10 draft picks, incredibly poor result.
We can make all the excuses in the world for Hardwick. The key areas where a coach must deliver, Game Plan, Match Day Coaching and Junior Player Development, he has failed. Do we keep accepting this failure in the hope he will turn it around and for how long do we wait mired in mediocrity.
I am over people downgrading the list and blaming past coaches. Half the senior side are from previous regimes. If the list was so bad previously, why do all these players keep getting games. If it is so bad, why do we keep getting in front against good sides only to lose. Four years in, list argument is weak. Responsibility for match day performance largely rests on Hardwicks shoulders.
Best post I have read on here in a long time. Congratulations Unplugged.
I agree with you 100%
People want to keep throwing up the list argument to defend DH, which as you have pointed out just doesn't stack up. Take out our first round draft choices over DH teenier and who is a regular in our side at the moment?
And as some would know I don't rate Ellis at all and Conca at best is just a solid trier and probably always will be.
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Agree with the recruiting criticism , but that would be on Francis Jackson i would have thought
If there is one person at this club whose position should be under pressure it is him...
Ok then.
Who would you have recruited, given our position and the draft concessions. Remember you will have the huge advantage of hindsight. FJ didn't have that!
Fire away!
i would gladly answer that questionfor you. but i have already answred those questions in the past usually with out the benefit of hindsight.
i still think in the last 3 or 4 yrs it is not so much the first ounders that we have got wrong but the 2nd 3rd rounders. imo we have failed badly with the rookie list and we almost stead fastly refuse to look hard enough at state league players who cost noithing and are better options than the deficient afl players on other lists who are available.
jacksons first rnd choices since wallace left. i dont call them hardwiks picks because quite frankly they arent they are francis jacksons picks and no one elses.
09 martin #3 dont know if anyone can complain here.
10 conca #6 well me im on record as wanting heppell. conca is not a failed pick though.
11 ellis #15 again id say he looks a decent pick again im record as liking kavanagh.
12 vlastuin #9 imo we took the right mid here. i thought him top 5. only player outsdie of him id consider here was grundy who i thought was the second best tall in the draft. was hoping for stringer to be available.
have we really failed with these picks. well apart from the fact its too early to call any of the drafts conclusively after all martin from 09 is just in yr 4 id say we have done okay.
its after these picks where you have to ask questions but like isaid its too early to call.
if i was going to judge francis jackson it would be on the 05 to 08 drafts
05 #8 oakley-nichols. #24 cleve hughes, #40 travis casserley. none remain on our list and it leaves a huge hole both in experience and structure.
06 - #13 riewoldt, #26 shane edwards, #58 dan connors, #60 carl peterson.#72 a collins. just riewoldt and edwards left and edwards to date has been underwhelming. again he got the first rounder right
07 - #2 cotchin, #18 rance, #51 dean putt. we traded #19 for mcmahon and #35 for morton. the trades for me were mindboggling. just cotchin and rance left with serious questions over rance. again he got the first round pick right but all else is questionable.
08 - #8 vickery, #26 post, #58 tom hislop. cant say we have the first round pick right and theres no others left.
in 5yrs and 14 live picks theres just 2 picks you can without question say have been succesful. of 14 live nd picks theres just 5 players left.
without hesitation i can say jackson has been very ordinary up to 08. and take martin out of the 09 equation and 09 is looking pretty shakey as well.
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:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep get a stuffing life ya limpgots
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just on the op sack hardwick.
me i think hes done well with the limited cattle hes had at his disposal. as mick malthouse once said, as a coach you live and die on the backs of your recruiting managers and list manager.
looking at the list its been my opinion that it is ordinary and hes actually had that ordinary list competing quite well and in the main being competetive.
a lot of the strategies that the club has used to build the list have been very understandable. some have failed a lot have worked.
the next stage clearly is to take us from being generally competetive to being a force. a blind man can see theres lots to do to achieve that and that there has to be a good many upgrades on players to achieve it. imo over the next 2 or 3 seasons we need to make a call on over half the list. i could make a negative call right now on 12 or 14 of them and be real sure about being right.
dimma at the end of the yr will show if hes the right man for the job by recognising and cutting those who clearly cant take us to the next level.thing is he has to do it in a way that ensures we dont become uncompetetive again.
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just on the op sack hardwick.
me i think hes done well with the limited cattle hes had at his disposal. as mick malthouse once said, as a coach you live and die on the backs of your recruiting managers and list manager.
looking at the list its been my opinion that it is ordinary and hes actually had that ordinary list competing quite well and in the main being competetive.
a lot of the strategies that the club has used to build the list have been very understandable. some have failed a lot have worked.
the next stage clearly is to take us from being generally competetive to being a force. a blind man can see theres lots to do to achieve that and that there has to be a good many upgrades on players to achieve it. imo over the next 2 or 3 seasons we need to make a call on over half the list. i could make a negative call right now on 12 or 14 of them and be real sure about being right.
dimma at the end of the yr will show if hes the right man for the job by recognising and cutting those who clearly cant take us to the next level.thing is he has to do it in a way that ensures we dont become uncompetetive again.
This is true, I agree
The players aren't good enough
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We have to shake off the psychological inferiority complex. It irritates me and it is reflected in the language used even by the club, it immediately creates a mindset of being inferior to the teams that have been floating around the top of the eight for some time. I really hope they don't talk the same poo behind closed doors with players, they need to be arrogant, angry and be discussing how to pull these arseholes off of their perches not how they aspire to be like them... stuff THEM, they shouldn't be the poo on their boots! Grow some stuffing hair on them peaches and start busting some stuffing heads, stop going to stuffing water whenever the pressure is on!
Excellent post Owl. :thumbsup
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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I have a question for you all,
WHy is it that port and nth and essendon, have gone right past us?
WHy is it that other teams have improved faster and for longer than us?
We better beat Port or the natives will be restless
Have port gone past us?
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Im gonna go out on a limb and say no
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Im gonna go out on a limb and say no
:lol its all good for another week, actually two weeks as we have melbourne
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Im gonna go out on a limb and say no
whoah, big call hoota. although you are always are perched on a limb, aren't you?
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I have a question for you all,
WHy is it that port and nth and essendon, have gone right past us?
WHy is it that other teams have improved faster and for longer than us?
We better beat Port or the natives will be restless
Port No
Norf No
Essendon No
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I have a question for you all,
WHy is it that port and nth and essendon, have gone right past us?
WHy is it that other teams have improved faster and for longer than us?
We better beat Port or the natives will be restless
Port No
Norf No
Essendon No
Chance to prove that theory on Essendon next week.
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if we don't make the 8 this yr dimma should step down.. if not then let go
it's time the Tigers demanded success again.
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Im gonna go out on a limb and say no
whoah, big call hoota. although you are always are perched on a limb, aren't you?
My owl hindsight is 20 20
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I have a question for you all,
WHy is it that port and nth and essendon, have gone right past us?
WHy is it that other teams have improved faster and for longer than us?
We better beat Port or the natives will be restless
Better game structure than us.
All three run, run, run, create, create, create ...
We have a better list than all three but not a game plan!
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Care to elaborate on the differences in our gameplan to theirs and what makes it better than ours?
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We have the right game plan.
It's the execution that often fails.
Players have to have sufficient will to have the work rate required to allow the game plan to work.
This is what we lack in many games.
This is also why the adage that the side that works harder (i.e. spreads from stoppages more, runs forward and back harder) is the side that wins, is so so true!
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Care to elaborate on the differences in our gameplan to theirs and what makes it better than ours?
Just is, alright?
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Can we call out to Sack Hardwick even though we won?
Ah stuff it I will do it anyway, need to sack this bum, should have won by 120 points plus
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OK let's fire this one up again, who wants to suck hardwick this week
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OK let's fire this one up again, who wants to suck hardwick this week
Start with the culprits who are really useless - Batchelor.........
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OK let's fire this one up again, who wants to suck hardwick this week
i don't know about you but that doesn't float my boat.
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Time to get that truck full of money ready to dump at the door step of Paul Roos....just in case :shh
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Hardwick>walls, Gieshan,Spud,Wallace.
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we wont play finals this year
and the brand of footy we play stinks
GONE at years end, you can only hope
Kicking backwards and sideways doesnt win many games ::) ::)
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im still a supporter of him but bloody hell he needs to open his eyes. possesion game plans dont work with so many poor kicks and panic merchants being picked damien. its time to go back to the very first mantra you introduced when you came.
a little reminder.
NO POOR KICKS OR DECISION MAKERS. I know thats a tough call damien you may have to cut some duds you have grown close to. fail to do it and kiss your ass good by.
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jack I agree with you ,the brand of football we play absolutely stinks.I also think the style of football we play lends to the highturnovers we have.
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OK let's fire this one up again, who wants to suck hardwick this week
i don't know about you but that doesn't float my boat.
:lol
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jack I agree with you ,the brand of football we play absolutely stinks.I also think the style of football we play lends to the highturnovers we have.
Thank you
Can Hardwick coach ??
Probably not.
Reason why ?? Reckon he is too pasionate and wears his heart on his sleeve
Plays favorites and refuses to make hard decisions
His comment 2 weeks ago that Daniel Jackson was our best player years to date proves it.
Daniel Jackson , isnt up to it
Way too many turnovers which are caused by poor decisions and lack of skill, end of story
And lets dont talk about the crao game plan either ,problem is that the opposition know what we try to do and go lateral, thus we go sideways back sideways back, GARBAGE and LAUGHABLE
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Today I watched both Coburg and Richmond and the common line running through both is poor disposal.
Are we to assume that the reason for this is the way the players are coached
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For the first time in his tenure Dimma lost me tonight.
Shocking chip chip game plan. Almost knowing we have too many seagulls in the side and we know who they are and as a result coaching bereft of vision and ideas.
Reminded me of Terry Wallace and our side in 2007 in the first five weeks prior to that Geelong threshing where we didn't get blown away but we were never going to win either.
Needs to go to the draft again and possibly trade some name players. 6-10 is where we will be best placed and I sat through that with Walls, Gieschen, Frawley and Terry.
Unless he re adopts the mantra on his appointment he will become no different to his four previous predecessors.
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Gawn, gorn, gonski. That is all
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For the first time in his tenure Dimma lost me tonight.
Spot on. Completely honest he entirely lost me tonight.
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im still a supporter of him but bloody hell he needs to open his eyes. possesion game plans dont work with so many poor kicks and panic merchants being picked damien. its time to go back to the very first mantra you introduced when you came.
a little reminder.
NO POOR KICKS OR DECISION MAKERS. I know thats a tough call damien you may have to cut some duds you have grown close to. fail to do it and kiss your ass good by.
Can't disagree with this. Our team looks good provided we have absolutely zero injuries because you can carry a few poo kicks. As soon as we have 5 or 6 out of the first team the replacements, mature agers (Lonergan/Petterd/Grigg) and guys before Hardwick came (Nahas/White/Jackson) are just dead set poo kicks. Houli is about the only one who would pass that test if we were considering them as 18 year old kids in the draft. The others we wouldn't touch with a barge pole.
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Does Jackstar ever post after a win?
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Has to be harder with everything he does, even press conferences!! :banghead
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No Tuck, no Richmond. Were rudderless on the weekend in the middle. Couldn't win a clearance. We don't even man up in the center. Just let the ball go straight to them time and time again.
If you need a justification for sacking Hardwick, think back over the last 3 years at all the losses we suffered without Tuck in the side. Then wind your time capsule forward to what we can expect from the future now that he is injured and not far off retirement. This clueless coach dropped him how many times? This clueless coach won't play Deledio, Cotchin and Martin in the middle at the same time? Our only junior Hardwick players on the weekend were Vlastuin, Martin and Batchelor. Batchelor was crap. Four years in, what a joke.
Failed game plan. Failed drafting. Failed list management. Failed junior development. He is a joke in the media. He has had the most support, best facilities, best budget, of any Richmond coach in the last 30 years and he is Failing. We have been gifted an unbelievable draw in a lop sided competition and finals still are not a certainty.
What will it take for Richmond to stop making excuses for him and work out where the real problem lies. You know things are bad when the media final catch on that the Game Plan is so BAD that they start questioning the coaching.
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No Tuck, no Richmond. Were rudderless on the weekend in the middle. Couldn't win a clearance. We don't even man up in the center. Just let the ball go straight to them time and time again.
If you need a justification for sacking Hardwick, think back over the last 3 years at all the losses we suffered without Tuck in the side. Then wind your time capsule forward to what we can expect from the future now that he is injured and not far off retirement. This clueless coach dropped him how many times? This clueless coach won't play Deledio, Cotchin and Martin in the middle at the same time? Our only junior Hardwick players on the weekend were Vlastuin, Martin and Batchelor. Batchelor was crap. Four years in, what a joke.
Failed game plan. Failed drafting. Failed list management. Failed junior development. He is a joke in the media. He has had the most support, best facilities, best budget, of any Richmond coach in the last 30 years and he is Failing. We have been gifted an unbelievable draw in a lop sided competition and finals still are not a certainty.
What will it take for Richmond to stop making excuses for him and work out where the real problem lies. You know things are bad when the media final catch on that the Game Plan is so BAD that they start questioning the coaching.
Are you crazy?
That would mean Lonergan and Jackson dont start at the center bounce.
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No Tuck, no Richmond. Were rudderless on the weekend in the middle. Couldn't win a clearance. We don't even man up in the center. Just let the ball go straight to them time and time again.
This...
We have been gifted an unbelievable draw in a lop sided competition and finals still are not a certainty.
This is what poos me the most....
What will it take for Richmond to stop making excuses for him and work out where the real problem lies.
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I just reckon that Dimma has put to much faith this season and last season in players not up it from other afl clubs and the bad thing is they dont get dropped.We had the chance to get Hannath we didnt get him a prime example.I would rather state league players .Instead we get rejects from other clubs.
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First things first someone needs to be ruthless. Dimma or the club. So sick of watching underskilled hacks from other clubs and our own run around. They served a purpose at first because they stop us from being Melbourne like with no leadership so guys like Jackson etc get a game. My issue is that right now we have so many on our list that we keep playing them and it's stopping us from developing our promising kids. And yes, they are promising. Not saying throw in 10 juniors into the side and watch us get pantsed every week but blood 2 at a time. (not including Flossy because he's already pretty established) Give them 5-6 games and see if they sink or swim.
My biggest gripe with the recycled blokes is how many of them would have been drafted if they were 18 year olds under our recruiting philosophy? (Good kicks and Competitive)
2010
Bachar Houli - Good kick and has improved his competitiveness so would keep playing him is doing well.
Shaun Grigg - Can't kick and is about as uncompetitive as we have in the team. No cost to us in that trade but he wouldn't have been drafted and doesn't fit the type of player we want at the club yet gets games.
2011
Ivan Maric - Good kick when fully fit for a big fella and very competitve. Obviously needed a ruckman and was fantastic last year. Shouldn't be playing as he clearly looks injured. My fear is we have broken him already.
2012
Troy Chaplin - Decent kick and been pretty competitive so would probably just pass. Been a good pick up so far.
Chris Knights - Good kick and competitive. Probably best 22 and offered something we lack so isn't holding a kid out.
Ricky Petterd - guy competes but can't kick to save himself yet was a walk up start over Vlastuin.
Sam Lonergan - super competitive but skills, skills, skills. Wouldn't get a second look from our recruiters if he was an 18 year old draft hopeful, yet cracked a game on the weekend.
Orren Stephenson - not ever going to be a long termer but at least has a crack and is back up if Big O goes down. We haven't got a young ruck coming through outside McBean who looks like a gun forward so no harm there.
Aaron Edwards - what purpose does a 29yo 184cm FF have for our team? If we cop an injury to a KPF then a Griff/Elton/Astbury even McBean (last resort) should be getting a crack first.
The next group I want to look at is the older Richmond players who keep getting games despite not fitting the kicking profile.
Robin Nahas - too small, can't win his own ball, too slow and can't kick over a jam tin. Does he offer a big body? No. Does he offer leadership? No. Develop a kid like McDonough in his role.
Matty White - again another small who lacks skill. Doesn't seem to be a real leader and isn't a body protecting the kids. Move Edwards into his role up forward and give a kid like Arnot or Helbig a crack in the midfield.
Luke McGuane - has improved this year and given us a decent target. But is decent what we want from our CHF or do we want to try get something better than that? We have Griff, Elton, Astbury and McBean playing ressies. They won't develop at Coburg and Griff and Astbury are now 4th year players who we need to make a call on in the next year or so.
Daniel Jackson - I can actually see the purpose of why he plays as he's the one always blocking but with our game style, opponents just sag off him and let him have the ball because he's a butcher. Play him in a tagging role and get him to nullify the oppositions best player. ie. Goddard or Watson. Either that or give his spot to a Arnot/Helbig.
Shane Tuck - gives it his all and we struggle without him. We need to find a replacement in the draft soon as he won't be around forever. Feel like we can't play him and Jacko with our game style even though we should be able to. (Will elaborate later)
Shane Edwards - another who has been butchering it lately. Needs to slow himself down when kicking because his hands in traffic are great. He's a small forward though so we need to be playing him there.
Alex Rance - prone to the odd howler but as a KPD I think we can carry one or two blokes like that. Just needs to take the easy/safe option when possible.
That's 7 players in the side lacking in foot skills. Then you add Grigg & Petterd as well who've been regular members and you're nearly at half the team. Aren't we a high possession team that uses foot skills?
KIDS NOT GETTING A REGULAR GAME
Matt Dea - comes in does ok gets dropped. Comes in does ok gets dropped again. I really rate this kid but this isn't helping his confidence. His skills are good, is very good defensively, gutsy as all hell and has great touch below his knees, is as clean as anyone on the list. Give him 5 or 6 games in a row and see what he offers.
David Astbury - this guy was so good in his first year. Cool, calm and collected. Good skills, good leadership and maybe a victim of his own versatility? I'd like to see him get a game at FB (Hurley would have been a good assignment actually.) Batch isn't a KPD and is therefore inconsistent in the role but is making a decent fist of it. Adelaide game onwards and give him a crack at Jenkins.
Ben Griffiths - worst effort to develop a player I think I've seen. Kid looks shot a bit like Post actually. He's a FF and nothing else. Get rid of McGuane and move Riewoldt to CHF and let this kid play out of the square. I reckon he swapped between fwd/back about 5-6 times on Saturday. poohouse for his development. If he flunks it at FF either trade or delist by end of next year. At least give the kid a crack at it though.
Brad Helbig - midfield, midfield, MIDFIELD. He's not a small lock down defender. He's a tough, inside mid with foot skills who if playing outside the midfield is more forward than back IMO. Get rid of Nahas and play this kid. Can't do any worse and find out what he's got.
Kamdyn McIntosh - not ready yet but wouldn't mind him getting a crack in last couple of games to see what he's got. Went up a notch last year when he played at a higher level.
Liam McBean - again not ready but should get a game as a forward (very late in season) if Griff struggled in the role.
Matthew McDonough - wasn't sure on his tank but he was everywhere on Saturday. Depending on his knee I'd play him this week over White. We go up a notch in skills and he's capable of finding as much ball as Whitey.
Todd Elton - don't mind him being developed down back and would like to see him get a crack later in the year at FB. Reckon he could be our big, athletic Carlisle/Talia type defender. Unlike Griff he's played there before. I worry about his skills but Talia is an ordinary kick but has improved and as that dour defender shouldn't need to get much of the ball.
Matthew Arnot - not sold on his skills but should replace Lonergan straight away. Again, give him a block of games to see if he's up to it and if not then delist and try again.
Brett O'Hanlon - unfortunately injured but at some stage should take Grigg's spot on a wing to try him out in FULL games. Better mark and better kick but just as outside as Grigg is.
MY GRIPE
There's two major gripe's I have with Dimma and they're the reason why last night I was one of the ones advocating Paul Roos because I've lost faith in Dimma's direction.
1. "Full rebuild, no shortcuts and no gifted games". These were Dimma's words not mine. I've had no negative comments about the direction the club is heading though I have had concerns over my second point for awhile. Reason I've been positive is for 3 years we stayed the course. Dimma cut the list deep and weeded out a lot of outright spuds and got games into kids. But Dimma has now gone out and loaded up with "back-up players" from other clubs. (Petterd, Stephenson, Lonergan, Edwards, Knights) Not really disappointed with that because they are back-ups if our kids get tired or we run out of players. My issue with Dimma is he has played all these guys over the top of the kids we have been getting games into. Looking back at that list of kids (plus Batch) not getting a regular game and we have Dea (22 games), Batchelor (36), Astbury (24), Griffiths (19), Helbig (16), O'Hanlon (8). These guys should have been getting another 22 games under their belts this year (injury permitting of course) But instead we've gone down the 2013/14 must make finals at all costs path. I have no doubt we will play finals either this year or next but the path Dimma is taking to me screams a 7th/8th side not a future premiership contender.
Now obviously Dimma didn't want to gift these kids games. That's fine with me. But don't bloody gift games to mature age rejects that don't deserve it either. Does Petterd deserve a game more than Dea or Batchelor? Could Batch play the Petterd role and Astbury get a game as a KPD? Does McGuane deserve a game (currently) more than a Griff/Elton/McBean? Does Lonergan deserve a game more than a Helbig or an Arnot? Does Grigg deserve a game over an O'Hanlon/Helbig? Do White/Nahas deserve games over McDonough?
*Haven't mentioned Tuck/Jackson here because in the right system they'd be fine in the team.
2. Our game plan. "The Hawthorn model." Ok, so Dimma wants us to play the Hawthorn model of keeping possession of the ball with high level of foot skills. However, looking at the 22 on the weekend the following are not capable of playing this type of game plan. Grigg, Edwards (full time midfield version), McGuane, Rance, Lonergan, Jackson, Chaplin (borderline), Nahas, White. 9/22 and you could probably add Foley to that list too. King would be borderline, though plays deep forward so not really an issue and I've cut Maric some slack as a ruck his skills aren't bad for a big fella. Nearly half the bloody side can't play the game plan we want to play. 3 of those blokes have been recruited by Dimma and the rest Dimma has had a chance to get rid of over 4 off-seasons.
My next issue with the game plan is whether or not people believe it is a finals winning game plan and then a flag winning game plan. Hawthorn despite being regular favourites for the flag have won one premiership with this model and if everyone casts their mind back Geelong should have torched them that day. Will it hold up under finals intensity against a Sydney/Freo pressure game plan? I'm far from convinced.
Hawthorn would be unlikely to have 9 players on the list that can't play the game plan let alone in the 22 on game day. We just don't have the cattle to play this way. The other thing Hawthorn have in their way is some genuine superstars (Franklin, Hodge, Mitchell) and match winners, who win games on their own. (Cyril, Franklin) We have star players and not many win a game off your own boot match winners.
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First things first someone needs to be ruthless. Dimma or the club. So sick of watching underskilled hacks from other clubs and our own run around. They served a purpose at first because they stop us from being Melbourne like with no leadership so guys like Jackson etc get a game. My issue is that right now we have so many on our list that we keep playing them and it's stopping us from developing our promising kids. And yes, they are promising. Not saying throw in 10 juniors into the side and watch us get pantsed every week but blood 2 at a time. (not including Flossy because he's already pretty established) Give them 5-6 games and see if they sink or swim.
My biggest gripe with the recycled blokes is how many of them would have been drafted if they were 18 year olds under our recruiting philosophy? (Good kicks and Competitive)
2010
Bachar Houli - Good kick and has improved his competitiveness so would keep playing him is doing well.
Shaun Grigg - Can't kick and is about as uncompetitive as we have in the team. No cost to us in that trade but he wouldn't have been drafted and doesn't fit the type of player we want at the club yet gets games.
2011
Ivan Maric - Good kick when fully fit for a big fella and very competitve. Obviously needed a ruckman and was fantastic last year. Shouldn't be playing as he clearly looks injured. My fear is we have broken him already.
2012
Troy Chaplin - Decent kick and been pretty competitive so would probably just pass. Been a good pick up so far.
Chris Knights - Good kick and competitive. Probably best 22 and offered something we lack so isn't holding a kid out.
Ricky Petterd - guy competes but can't kick to save himself yet was a walk up start over Vlastuin.
Sam Lonergan - super competitive but skills, skills, skills. Wouldn't get a second look from our recruiters if he was an 18 year old draft hopeful, yet cracked a game on the weekend.
Orren Stephenson - not ever going to be a long termer but at least has a crack and is back up if Big O goes down. We haven't got a young ruck coming through outside McBean🐚 who looks like a gun forward so no harm there.
Aaron Edwards - what purpose does a 29yo 184cm FF have for our team? If we cop an injury to a KPF then a Griff/Elton/Astbury even McBean (last resort) should be getting a crack first.
The next group I want to look at is the older Richmond players who keep getting games despite not fitting the kicking profile.
Robin Nahas - too small, can't win his own ball, too slow and can't kick over a jam tin. Does he offer a big body? No. Does he offer leadership? No. Develop a kid like McDonough in his role.
Matty White - again another small who lacks skill. Doesn't seem to be a real leader and isn't a body protecting the kids. Move Edwards into his role up forward and give a kid like Arnot or Helbig a crack in the midfield.
Luke McGuane - has improved this year and given us a decent target. But is decent what we want from our CHF or do we want to try get something better than that? We have Griff, Elton, Astbury and McBean playing ressies. They won't develop at Coburg and Griff and Astbury are now 4th year players who we need to make a call on in the next year or so.
Daniel Jackson - I can actually see the purpose of why he plays as he's the one always blocking but with our game style, opponents just sag off him and let him have the ball because he's a butcher. Play him in a tagging role and get him to nullify the oppositions best player. ie. Goddard or Watson. Either that or give his spot to a Arnot/Helbig.
Shane Tuck - gives it his all and we struggle without him. We need to find a replacement in the draft soon as he won't be around forever. Feel like we can't play him and Jacko with our game style even though we should be able to. (Will elaborate later)
Shane Edwards - another who has been butchering it lately. Needs to slow himself down when kicking because his hands in traffic are great. He's a small forward though so we need to be playing him there.
Alex Rance - prone to the odd howler but as a KPD I think we can carry one or two blokes like that. Just needs to take the easy/safe option when possible.
That's 7 players in the side lacking in foot skills. Then you add Grigg & Petterd as well who've been regular members and you're nearly at half the team. Aren't we a high possession team that uses foot skills?
KIDS NOT GETTING A REGULAR GAME
Matt Dea - comes in does ok gets dropped. Comes in does ok gets dropped again. I really rate this kid but this isn't helping his confidence. His skills are good, is very good defensively, gutsy as all hell and has great touch below his knees, is as clean as anyone on the list. Give him 5 or 6 games in a row and see what he offers.
David Astbury - this guy was so good in his first year. Cool, calm and collected. Good skills, good leadership and maybe a victim of his own versatility? I'd like to see him get a game at FB (Hurley would have been a good assignment actually.) Batch isn't a KPD and is therefore inconsistent in the role but is making a decent fist of it. Adelaide game onwards and give him a crack at Jenkins.
Ben Griffiths - worst effort to develop a player I think I've seen. Kid looks shot a bit like Post actually. He's a FF and nothing else. Get rid of McGuane and move Riewoldt to CHF and let this kid play out of the square. I reckon he swapped between fwd/back about 5-6 times on Saturday. poohouse for his development. If he flunks it at FF either trade or delist by end of next year. At least give the kid a crack at it though.
Brad Helbig - midfield, midfield, MIDFIELD. He's not a small lock down defender. He's a tough, inside mid with foot skills who if playing outside the midfield is more forward than back IMO. Get rid of Nahas and play this kid. Can't do any worse and find out what he's got.
Kamdyn McIntosh - not ready yet but wouldn't mind him getting a crack in last couple of games to see what he's got. Went up a notch last year when he played at a higher level.
Liam McBean - again not ready but should get a game as a forward (very late in season) if Griff struggled in the role.
Matthew McDonough - wasn't sure on his tank but he was everywhere on Saturday. Depending on his knee I'd play him this week over White. We go up a notch in skills and he's capable of finding as much ball as Whitey.
Todd Elton - don't mind him being developed down back and would like to see him get a crack later in the year at FB. Reckon he could be our big, athletic Carlisle/Talia type defender. Unlike Griff he's played there before. I worry about his skills but Talia is an ordinary kick but has improved and as that dour defender shouldn't need to get much of the ball.
Matthew Arnot - not sold on his skills but should replace Lonergan straight away. Again, give him a block of games to see if he's up to it and if not then delist and try again.
Brett O'Hanlon - unfortunately injured but at some stage should take Grigg's spot on a wing to try him out in FULL games. Better mark and better kick but just as outside as Grigg is.
MY GRIPE
There's two major gripe's I have with Dimma and they're the reason why last night I was one of the ones advocating Paul Roos because I've lost faith in Dimma's direction.
1. "Full rebuild, no shortcuts and no gifted games". These were Dimma's words not mine. I've had no negative comments about the direction the club is heading though I have had concerns over my second point for awhile. Reason I've been positive is for 3 years we stayed the course. Dimma cut the list deep and weeded out a lot of outright spuds and got games into kids. But Dimma has now gone out and loaded up with "back-up players" from other clubs. (Petterd, Stephenson, Lonergan, Edwards, Knights) Not really disappointed with that because they are back-ups if our kids get tired or we run out of players. My issue with Dimma is he has played all these guys over the top of the kids we have been getting games into. Looking back at that list of kids (plus Batch) not getting a regular game and we have Dea (22 games), Batchelor (36), Astbury (24), Griffiths (19), Helbig (16), O'Hanlon (8). These guys should have been getting another 22 games under their belts this year (injury permitting of course) But instead we've gone down the 2013/14 must make finals at all costs path. I have no doubt we will play finals either this year or next but the path Dimma is taking to me screams a 7th/8th side not a future premiership contender.
Now obviously Dimma didn't want to gift these kids games. That's fine with me. But don't bloody gift games to mature age rejects that don't deserve it either. Does Petterd deserve a game more than Dea or Batchelor? Could Batch play the Petterd role and Astbury get a game as a KPD? Does McGuane deserve a game (currently) more than a Griff/Elton/McBean? Does Lonergan deserve a game more than a Helbig or an Arnot? Does Grigg deserve a game over an O'Hanlon/Helbig? Do White/Nahas deserve games over McDonough?
*Haven't mentioned Tuck/Jackson here because in the right system they'd be fine in the team.
2. Our game plan. "The Hawthorn model." Ok, so Dimma wants us to play the Hawthorn model of keeping possession of the ball with high level of foot skills. However, looking at the 22 on the weekend the following are not capable of playing this type of game plan. Grigg, Edwards (full time midfield version), McGuane, Rance, Lonergan, Jackson, Chaplin (borderline), Nahas, White. 9/22 and you could probably add Foley to that list too. King would be borderline, though plays deep forward so not really an issue and I've cut Maric some slack as a ruck his skills aren't bad for a big fella. Nearly half the bloody side can't play the game plan we want to play. 3 of those blokes have been recruited by Dimma and the rest Dimma has had a chance to get rid of over 4 off-seasons.
My next issue with the game plan is whether or not people believe it is a finals winning game plan and then a flag winning game plan. Hawthorn despite being regular favourites for the flag have won one premiership with this model and if everyone casts their mind back Geelong should have torched them that day. Will it hold up under finals intensity against a Sydney/Freo pressure game plan? I'm far from convinced.
Hawthorn would be unlikely to have 9 players on the list that can't play the game plan let alone in the 22 on game day. We just don't have the cattle to play this way. The other thing Hawthorn have in their way is some genuine superstars (Franklin, Hodge, Mitchell) and match winners, who win games on their own. (Cyril, Franklin) We have star players and not many win a game off your own boot match winners.
Brilliant summary.
Agree 10000%!
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First things first someone needs to be ruthless. Dimma or the club. So sick of watching underskilled hacks from other clubs and our own run around. They served a purpose at first because they stop us from being Melbourne like with no leadership so guys like Jackson etc get a game. My issue is that right now we have so many on our list that we keep playing them and it's stopping us from developing our promising kids. And yes, they are promising. Not saying throw in 10 juniors into the side and watch us get pantsed every week but blood 2 at a time. (not including Flossy because he's already pretty established) Give them 5-6 games and see if they sink or swim.
My biggest gripe with the recycled blokes is how many of them would have been drafted if they were 18 year olds under our recruiting philosophy? (Good kicks and Competitive)
2010
Bachar Houli - Good kick and has improved his competitiveness so would keep playing him is doing well.
Shaun Grigg - Can't kick and is about as uncompetitive as we have in the team. No cost to us in that trade but he wouldn't have been drafted and doesn't fit the type of player we want at the club yet gets games.
2011
Ivan Maric - Good kick when fully fit for a big fella and very competitve. Obviously needed a ruckman and was fantastic last year. Shouldn't be playing as he clearly looks injured. My fear is we have broken him already.
2012
Troy Chaplin - Decent kick and been pretty competitive so would probably just pass. Been a good pick up so far.
Chris Knights - Good kick and competitive. Probably best 22 and offered something we lack so isn't holding a kid out.
Ricky Petterd - guy competes but can't kick to save himself yet was a walk up start over Vlastuin.
Sam Lonergan - super competitive but skills, skills, skills. Wouldn't get a second look from our recruiters if he was an 18 year old draft hopeful, yet cracked a game on the weekend.
Orren Stephenson - not ever going to be a long termer but at least has a crack and is back up if Big O goes down. We haven't got a young ruck coming through outside McBean who looks like a gun forward so no harm there.
Aaron Edwards - what purpose does a 29yo 184cm FF have for our team? If we cop an injury to a KPF then a Griff/Elton/Astbury even McBean (last resort) should be getting a crack first.
The next group I want to look at is the older Richmond players who keep getting games despite not fitting the kicking profile.
Robin Nahas - too small, can't win his own ball, too slow and can't kick over a jam tin. Does he offer a big body? No. Does he offer leadership? No. Develop a kid like McDonough in his role.
Matty White - again another small who lacks skill. Doesn't seem to be a real leader and isn't a body protecting the kids. Move Edwards into his role up forward and give a kid like Arnot or Helbig a crack in the midfield.
Luke McGuane - has improved this year and given us a decent target. But is decent what we want from our CHF or do we want to try get something better than that? We have Griff, Elton, Astbury and McBean playing ressies. They won't develop at Coburg and Griff and Astbury are now 4th year players who we need to make a call on in the next year or so.
Daniel Jackson - I can actually see the purpose of why he plays as he's the one always blocking but with our game style, opponents just sag off him and let him have the ball because he's a butcher. Play him in a tagging role and get him to nullify the oppositions best player. ie. Goddard or Watson. Either that or give his spot to a Arnot/Helbig.
Shane Tuck - gives it his all and we struggle without him. We need to find a replacement in the draft soon as he won't be around forever. Feel like we can't play him and Jacko with our game style even though we should be able to. (Will elaborate later)
Shane Edwards - another who has been butchering it lately. Needs to slow himself down when kicking because his hands in traffic are great. He's a small forward though so we need to be playing him there.
Alex Rance - prone to the odd howler but as a KPD I think we can carry one or two blokes like that. Just needs to take the easy/safe option when possible.
That's 7 players in the side lacking in foot skills. Then you add Grigg & Petterd as well who've been regular members and you're nearly at half the team. Aren't we a high possession team that uses foot skills?
KIDS NOT GETTING A REGULAR GAME
Matt Dea - comes in does ok gets dropped. Comes in does ok gets dropped again. I really rate this kid but this isn't helping his confidence. His skills are good, is very good defensively, gutsy as all hell and has great touch below his knees, is as clean as anyone on the list. Give him 5 or 6 games in a row and see what he offers.
David Astbury - this guy was so good in his first year. Cool, calm and collected. Good skills, good leadership and maybe a victim of his own versatility? I'd like to see him get a game at FB (Hurley would have been a good assignment actually.) Batch isn't a KPD and is therefore inconsistent in the role but is making a decent fist of it. Adelaide game onwards and give him a crack at Jenkins.
Ben Griffiths - worst effort to develop a player I think I've seen. Kid looks shot a bit like Post actually. He's a FF and nothing else. Get rid of McGuane and move Riewoldt to CHF and let this kid play out of the square. I reckon he swapped between fwd/back about 5-6 times on Saturday. poohouse for his development. If he flunks it at FF either trade or delist by end of next year. At least give the kid a crack at it though.
Brad Helbig - midfield, midfield, MIDFIELD. He's not a small lock down defender. He's a tough, inside mid with foot skills who if playing outside the midfield is more forward than back IMO. Get rid of Nahas and play this kid. Can't do any worse and find out what he's got.
Kamdyn McIntosh - not ready yet but wouldn't mind him getting a crack in last couple of games to see what he's got. Went up a notch last year when he played at a higher level.
Liam McBean - again not ready but should get a game as a forward (very late in season) if Griff struggled in the role.
Matthew McDonough - wasn't sure on his tank but he was everywhere on Saturday. Depending on his knee I'd play him this week over White. We go up a notch in skills and he's capable of finding as much ball as Whitey.
Todd Elton - don't mind him being developed down back and would like to see him get a crack later in the year at FB. Reckon he could be our big, athletic Carlisle/Talia type defender. Unlike Griff he's played there before. I worry about his skills but Talia is an ordinary kick but has improved and as that dour defender shouldn't need to get much of the ball.
Matthew Arnot - not sold on his skills but should replace Lonergan straight away. Again, give him a block of games to see if he's up to it and if not then delist and try again.
Brett O'Hanlon - unfortunately injured but at some stage should take Grigg's spot on a wing to try him out in FULL games. Better mark and better kick but just as outside as Grigg is.
MY GRIPE
There's two major gripe's I have with Dimma and they're the reason why last night I was one of the ones advocating Paul Roos because I've lost faith in Dimma's direction.
1. "Full rebuild, no shortcuts and no gifted games". These were Dimma's words not mine. I've had no negative comments about the direction the club is heading though I have had concerns over my second point for awhile. Reason I've been positive is for 3 years we stayed the course. Dimma cut the list deep and weeded out a lot of outright spuds and got games into kids. But Dimma has now gone out and loaded up with "back-up players" from other clubs. (Petterd, Stephenson, Lonergan, Edwards, Knights) Not really disappointed with that because they are back-ups if our kids get tired or we run out of players. My issue with Dimma is he has played all these guys over the top of the kids we have been getting games into. Looking back at that list of kids (plus Batch) not getting a regular game and we have Dea (22 games), Batchelor (36), Astbury (24), Griffiths (19), Helbig (16), O'Hanlon (8). These guys should have been getting another 22 games under their belts this year (injury permitting of course) But instead we've gone down the 2013/14 must make finals at all costs path. I have no doubt we will play finals either this year or next but the path Dimma is taking to me screams a 7th/8th side not a future premiership contender.
Now obviously Dimma didn't want to gift these kids games. That's fine with me. But don't bloody gift games to mature age rejects that don't deserve it either. Does Petterd deserve a game more than Dea or Batchelor? Could Batch play the Petterd role and Astbury get a game as a KPD? Does McGuane deserve a game (currently) more than a Griff/Elton/McBean? Does Lonergan deserve a game more than a Helbig or an Arnot? Does Grigg deserve a game over an O'Hanlon/Helbig? Do White/Nahas deserve games over McDonough?
*Haven't mentioned Tuck/Jackson here because in the right system they'd be fine in the team.
2. Our game plan. "The Hawthorn model." Ok, so Dimma wants us to play the Hawthorn model of keeping possession of the ball with high level of foot skills. However, looking at the 22 on the weekend the following are not capable of playing this type of game plan. Grigg, Edwards (full time midfield version), McGuane, Rance, Lonergan, Jackson, Chaplin (borderline), Nahas, White. 9/22 and you could probably add Foley to that list too. King would be borderline, though plays deep forward so not really an issue and I've cut Maric some slack as a ruck his skills aren't bad for a big fella. Nearly half the bloody side can't play the game plan we want to play. 3 of those blokes have been recruited by Dimma and the rest Dimma has had a chance to get rid of over 4 off-seasons.
My next issue with the game plan is whether or not people believe it is a finals winning game plan and then a flag winning game plan. Hawthorn despite being regular favourites for the flag have won one premiership with this model and if everyone casts their mind back Geelong should have torched them that day. Will it hold up under finals intensity against a Sydney/Freo pressure game plan? I'm far from convinced.
Hawthorn would be unlikely to have 9 players on the list that can't play the game plan let alone in the 22 on game day. We just don't have the cattle to play this way. The other thing Hawthorn have in their way is some genuine superstars (Franklin, Hodge, Mitchell) and match winners, who win games on their own. (Cyril, Franklin) We have star players and not many win a game off your own boot match winners.
:clapping
Can someone e-mail the club
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dhardwick@richmondfc.com.au
doubt u will get a reply though.
at least Greg Miller used to reply, probably because all he did all day was watch videos of his new recruits.
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First things first someone needs to be ruthless. Dimma or the club. So sick of watching underskilled hacks from other clubs and our own run around. They served a purpose at first because they stop us from being Melbourne like with no leadership so guys like Jackson etc get a game. My issue is that right now we have so many on our list that we keep playing them and it's stopping us from developing our promising kids. And yes, they are promising. Not saying throw in 10 juniors into the side and watch us get pantsed every week but blood 2 at a time. (not including Flossy because he's already pretty established) Give them 5-6 games and see if they sink or swim.
My biggest gripe with the recycled blokes is how many of them would have been drafted if they were 18 year olds under our recruiting philosophy? (Good kicks and Competitive)
2010
Bachar Houli - Good kick and has improved his competitiveness so would keep playing him is doing well.
Shaun Grigg - Can't kick and is about as uncompetitive as we have in the team. No cost to us in that trade but he wouldn't have been drafted and doesn't fit the type of player we want at the club yet gets games.
2011
Ivan Maric - Good kick when fully fit for a big fella and very competitve. Obviously needed a ruckman and was fantastic last year. Shouldn't be playing as he clearly looks injured. My fear is we have broken him already.
2012
Troy Chaplin - Decent kick and been pretty competitive so would probably just pass. Been a good pick up so far.
Chris Knights - Good kick and competitive. Probably best 22 and offered something we lack so isn't holding a kid out.
Ricky Petterd - guy competes but can't kick to save himself yet was a walk up start over Vlastuin.
Sam Lonergan - super competitive but skills, skills, skills. Wouldn't get a second look from our recruiters if he was an 18 year old draft hopeful, yet cracked a game on the weekend.
Orren Stephenson - not ever going to be a long termer but at least has a crack and is back up if Big O goes down. We haven't got a young ruck coming through outside McBean who looks like a gun forward so no harm there.
Aaron Edwards - what purpose does a 29yo 184cm FF have for our team? If we cop an injury to a KPF then a Griff/Elton/Astbury even McBean (last resort) should be getting a crack first.
The next group I want to look at is the older Richmond players who keep getting games despite not fitting the kicking profile.
Robin Nahas - too small, can't win his own ball, too slow and can't kick over a jam tin. Does he offer a big body? No. Does he offer leadership? No. Develop a kid like McDonough in his role.
Matty White - again another small who lacks skill. Doesn't seem to be a real leader and isn't a body protecting the kids. Move Edwards into his role up forward and give a kid like Arnot or Helbig a crack in the midfield.
Luke McGuane - has improved this year and given us a decent target. But is decent what we want from our CHF or do we want to try get something better than that? We have Griff, Elton, Astbury and McBean playing ressies. They won't develop at Coburg and Griff and Astbury are now 4th year players who we need to make a call on in the next year or so.
Daniel Jackson - I can actually see the purpose of why he plays as he's the one always blocking but with our game style, opponents just sag off him and let him have the ball because he's a butcher. Play him in a tagging role and get him to nullify the oppositions best player. ie. Goddard or Watson. Either that or give his spot to a Arnot/Helbig.
Shane Tuck - gives it his all and we struggle without him. We need to find a replacement in the draft soon as he won't be around forever. Feel like we can't play him and Jacko with our game style even though we should be able to. (Will elaborate later)
Shane Edwards - another who has been butchering it lately. Needs to slow himself down when kicking because his hands in traffic are great. He's a small forward though so we need to be playing him there.
Alex Rance - prone to the odd howler but as a KPD I think we can carry one or two blokes like that. Just needs to take the easy/safe option when possible.
That's 7 players in the side lacking in foot skills. Then you add Grigg & Petterd as well who've been regular members and you're nearly at half the team. Aren't we a high possession team that uses foot skills?
KIDS NOT GETTING A REGULAR GAME
Matt Dea - comes in does ok gets dropped. Comes in does ok gets dropped again. I really rate this kid but this isn't helping his confidence. His skills are good, is very good defensively, gutsy as all hell and has great touch below his knees, is as clean as anyone on the list. Give him 5 or 6 games in a row and see what he offers.
David Astbury - this guy was so good in his first year. Cool, calm and collected. Good skills, good leadership and maybe a victim of his own versatility? I'd like to see him get a game at FB (Hurley would have been a good assignment actually.) Batch isn't a KPD and is therefore inconsistent in the role but is making a decent fist of it. Adelaide game onwards and give him a crack at Jenkins.
Ben Griffiths - worst effort to develop a player I think I've seen. Kid looks shot a bit like Post actually. He's a FF and nothing else. Get rid of McGuane and move Riewoldt to CHF and let this kid play out of the square. I reckon he swapped between fwd/back about 5-6 times on Saturday. poohouse for his development. If he flunks it at FF either trade or delist by end of next year. At least give the kid a crack at it though.
Brad Helbig - midfield, midfield, MIDFIELD. He's not a small lock down defender. He's a tough, inside mid with foot skills who if playing outside the midfield is more forward than back IMO. Get rid of Nahas and play this kid. Can't do any worse and find out what he's got.
Kamdyn McIntosh - not ready yet but wouldn't mind him getting a crack in last couple of games to see what he's got. Went up a notch last year when he played at a higher level.
Liam McBean - again not ready but should get a game as a forward (very late in season) if Griff struggled in the role.
Matthew McDonough - wasn't sure on his tank but he was everywhere on Saturday. Depending on his knee I'd play him this week over White. We go up a notch in skills and he's capable of finding as much ball as Whitey.
Todd Elton - don't mind him being developed down back and would like to see him get a crack later in the year at FB. Reckon he could be our big, athletic Carlisle/Talia type defender. Unlike Griff he's played there before. I worry about his skills but Talia is an ordinary kick but has improved and as that dour defender shouldn't need to get much of the ball.
Matthew Arnot - not sold on his skills but should replace Lonergan straight away. Again, give him a block of games to see if he's up to it and if not then delist and try again.
Brett O'Hanlon - unfortunately injured but at some stage should take Grigg's spot on a wing to try him out in FULL games. Better mark and better kick but just as outside as Grigg is.
MY GRIPE
There's two major gripe's I have with Dimma and they're the reason why last night I was one of the ones advocating Paul Roos because I've lost faith in Dimma's direction.
1. "Full rebuild, no shortcuts and no gifted games". These were Dimma's words not mine. I've had no negative comments about the direction the club is heading though I have had concerns over my second point for awhile. Reason I've been positive is for 3 years we stayed the course. Dimma cut the list deep and weeded out a lot of outright spuds and got games into kids. But Dimma has now gone out and loaded up with "back-up players" from other clubs. (Petterd, Stephenson, Lonergan, Edwards, Knights) Not really disappointed with that because they are back-ups if our kids get tired or we run out of players. My issue with Dimma is he has played all these guys over the top of the kids we have been getting games into. Looking back at that list of kids (plus Batch) not getting a regular game and we have Dea (22 games), Batchelor (36), Astbury (24), Griffiths (19), Helbig (16), O'Hanlon (8). These guys should have been getting another 22 games under their belts this year (injury permitting of course) But instead we've gone down the 2013/14 must make finals at all costs path. I have no doubt we will play finals either this year or next but the path Dimma is taking to me screams a 7th/8th side not a future premiership contender.
Now obviously Dimma didn't want to gift these kids games. That's fine with me. But don't bloody gift games to mature age rejects that don't deserve it either. Does Petterd deserve a game more than Dea or Batchelor? Could Batch play the Petterd role and Astbury get a game as a KPD? Does McGuane deserve a game (currently) more than a Griff/Elton/McBean? Does Lonergan deserve a game more than a Helbig or an Arnot? Does Grigg deserve a game over an O'Hanlon/Helbig? Do White/Nahas deserve games over McDonough?
*Haven't mentioned Tuck/Jackson here because in the right system they'd be fine in the team.
2. Our game plan. "The Hawthorn model." Ok, so Dimma wants us to play the Hawthorn model of keeping possession of the ball with high level of foot skills. However, looking at the 22 on the weekend the following are not capable of playing this type of game plan. Grigg, Edwards (full time midfield version), McGuane, Rance, Lonergan, Jackson, Chaplin (borderline), Nahas, White. 9/22 and you could probably add Foley to that list too. King would be borderline, though plays deep forward so not really an issue and I've cut Maric some slack as a ruck his skills aren't bad for a big fella. Nearly half the bloody side can't play the game plan we want to play. 3 of those blokes have been recruited by Dimma and the rest Dimma has had a chance to get rid of over 4 off-seasons.
My next issue with the game plan is whether or not people believe it is a finals winning game plan and then a flag winning game plan. Hawthorn despite being regular favourites for the flag have won one premiership with this model and if everyone casts their mind back Geelong should have torched them that day. Will it hold up under finals intensity against a Sydney/Freo pressure game plan? I'm far from convinced.
Hawthorn would be unlikely to have 9 players on the list that can't play the game plan let alone in the 22 on game day. We just don't have the cattle to play this way. The other thing Hawthorn have in their way is some genuine superstars (Franklin, Hodge, Mitchell) and match winners, who win games on their own. (Cyril, Franklin) We have star players and not many win a game off your own boot match winners.
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Best post i've read for a long while
Constructive and well thought out
I hope they at least entertain reading this for it would go a long way :thumbsup
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tldr where are the dragons?
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tldr where are the dragons?
Reported. This was some of my best work. In fact only good work. :lol
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tldr where are the dragons?
Reported. This was some of my best work. In fact only good work. :lol
:lol
In seriousness I actually read it and it was pretty good :clapping
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First things first someone needs to be ruthless. Dimma or the club. So sick of watching underskilled hacks from other clubs and our own run around. They served a purpose at first because they stop us from being Melbourne like with no leadership so guys like Jackson etc get a game. My issue is that right now we have so many on our list that we keep playing them and it's stopping us from developing our promising kids. And yes, they are promising. Not saying throw in 10 juniors into the side and watch us get pantsed every week but blood 2 at a time. (not including Flossy because he's already pretty established) Give them 5-6 games and see if they sink or swim.
My biggest gripe with the recycled blokes is how many of them would have been drafted if they were 18 year olds under our recruiting philosophy? (Good kicks and Competitive)
2010
Bachar Houli - Good kick and has improved his competitiveness so would keep playing him is doing well.
Shaun Grigg - Can't kick and is about as uncompetitive as we have in the team. No cost to us in that trade but he wouldn't have been drafted and doesn't fit the type of player we want at the club yet gets games.
2011
Ivan Maric - Good kick when fully fit for a big fella and very competitve. Obviously needed a ruckman and was fantastic last year. Shouldn't be playing as he clearly looks injured. My fear is we have broken him already.
2012
Troy Chaplin - Decent kick and been pretty competitive so would probably just pass. Been a good pick up so far.
Chris Knights - Good kick and competitive. Probably best 22 and offered something we lack so isn't holding a kid out.
Ricky Petterd - guy competes but can't kick to save himself yet was a walk up start over Vlastuin.
Sam Lonergan - super competitive but skills, skills, skills. Wouldn't get a second look from our recruiters if he was an 18 year old draft hopeful, yet cracked a game on the weekend.
Orren Stephenson - not ever going to be a long termer but at least has a crack and is back up if Big O goes down. We haven't got a young ruck coming through outside McBean who looks like a gun forward so no harm there.
Aaron Edwards - what purpose does a 29yo 184cm FF have for our team? If we cop an injury to a KPF then a Griff/Elton/Astbury even McBean (last resort) should be getting a crack first.
The next group I want to look at is the older Richmond players who keep getting games despite not fitting the kicking profile.
Robin Nahas - too small, can't win his own ball, too slow and can't kick over a jam tin. Does he offer a big body? No. Does he offer leadership? No. Develop a kid like McDonough in his role.
Matty White - again another small who lacks skill. Doesn't seem to be a real leader and isn't a body protecting the kids. Move Edwards into his role up forward and give a kid like Arnot or Helbig a crack in the midfield.
Luke McGuane - has improved this year and given us a decent target. But is decent what we want from our CHF or do we want to try get something better than that? We have Griff, Elton, Astbury and McBean playing ressies. They won't develop at Coburg and Griff and Astbury are now 4th year players who we need to make a call on in the next year or so.
Daniel Jackson - I can actually see the purpose of why he plays as he's the one always blocking but with our game style, opponents just sag off him and let him have the ball because he's a butcher. Play him in a tagging role and get him to nullify the oppositions best player. ie. Goddard or Watson. Either that or give his spot to a Arnot/Helbig.
Shane Tuck - gives it his all and we struggle without him. We need to find a replacement in the draft soon as he won't be around forever. Feel like we can't play him and Jacko with our game style even though we should be able to. (Will elaborate later)
Shane Edwards - another who has been butchering it lately. Needs to slow himself down when kicking because his hands in traffic are great. He's a small forward though so we need to be playing him there.
Alex Rance - prone to the odd howler but as a KPD I think we can carry one or two blokes like that. Just needs to take the easy/safe option when possible.
That's 7 players in the side lacking in foot skills. Then you add Grigg & Petterd as well who've been regular members and you're nearly at half the team. Aren't we a high possession team that uses foot skills?
KIDS NOT GETTING A REGULAR GAME
Matt Dea - comes in does ok gets dropped. Comes in does ok gets dropped again. I really rate this kid but this isn't helping his confidence. His skills are good, is very good defensively, gutsy as all hell and has great touch below his knees, is as clean as anyone on the list. Give him 5 or 6 games in a row and see what he offers.
David Astbury - this guy was so good in his first year. Cool, calm and collected. Good skills, good leadership and maybe a victim of his own versatility? I'd like to see him get a game at FB (Hurley would have been a good assignment actually.) Batch isn't a KPD and is therefore inconsistent in the role but is making a decent fist of it. Adelaide game onwards and give him a crack at Jenkins.
Ben Griffiths - worst effort to develop a player I think I've seen. Kid looks shot a bit like Post actually. He's a FF and nothing else. Get rid of McGuane and move Riewoldt to CHF and let this kid play out of the square. I reckon he swapped between fwd/back about 5-6 times on Saturday. poohouse for his development. If he flunks it at FF either trade or delist by end of next year. At least give the kid a crack at it though.
Brad Helbig - midfield, midfield, MIDFIELD. He's not a small lock down defender. He's a tough, inside mid with foot skills who if playing outside the midfield is more forward than back IMO. Get rid of Nahas and play this kid. Can't do any worse and find out what he's got.
Kamdyn McIntosh - not ready yet but wouldn't mind him getting a crack in last couple of games to see what he's got. Went up a notch last year when he played at a higher level.
Liam McBean - again not ready but should get a game as a forward (very late in season) if Griff struggled in the role.
Matthew McDonough - wasn't sure on his tank but he was everywhere on Saturday. Depending on his knee I'd play him this week over White. We go up a notch in skills and he's capable of finding as much ball as Whitey.
Todd Elton - don't mind him being developed down back and would like to see him get a crack later in the year at FB. Reckon he could be our big, athletic Carlisle/Talia type defender. Unlike Griff he's played there before. I worry about his skills but Talia is an ordinary kick but has improved and as that dour defender shouldn't need to get much of the ball.
Matthew Arnot - not sold on his skills but should replace Lonergan straight away. Again, give him a block of games to see if he's up to it and if not then delist and try again.
Brett O'Hanlon - unfortunately injured but at some stage should take Grigg's spot on a wing to try him out in FULL games. Better mark and better kick but just as outside as Grigg is.
MY GRIPE
There's two major gripe's I have with Dimma and they're the reason why last night I was one of the ones advocating Paul Roos because I've lost faith in Dimma's direction.
1. "Full rebuild, no shortcuts and no gifted games". These were Dimma's words not mine. I've had no negative comments about the direction the club is heading though I have had concerns over my second point for awhile. Reason I've been positive is for 3 years we stayed the course. Dimma cut the list deep and weeded out a lot of outright spuds and got games into kids. But Dimma has now gone out and loaded up with "back-up players" from other clubs. (Petterd, Stephenson, Lonergan, Edwards, Knights) Not really disappointed with that because they are back-ups if our kids get tired or we run out of players. My issue with Dimma is he has played all these guys over the top of the kids we have been getting games into. Looking back at that list of kids (plus Batch) not getting a regular game and we have Dea (22 games), Batchelor (36), Astbury (24), Griffiths (19), Helbig (16), O'Hanlon (8). These guys should have been getting another 22 games under their belts this year (injury permitting of course) But instead we've gone down the 2013/14 must make finals at all costs path. I have no doubt we will play finals either this year or next but the path Dimma is taking to me screams a 7th/8th side not a future premiership contender.
Now obviously Dimma didn't want to gift these kids games. That's fine with me. But don't bloody gift games to mature age rejects that don't deserve it either. Does Petterd deserve a game more than Dea or Batchelor? Could Batch play the Petterd role and Astbury get a game as a KPD? Does McGuane deserve a game (currently) more than a Griff/Elton/McBean? Does Lonergan deserve a game more than a Helbig or an Arnot? Does Grigg deserve a game over an O'Hanlon/Helbig? Do White/Nahas deserve games over McDonough?
*Haven't mentioned Tuck/Jackson here because in the right system they'd be fine in the team.
2. Our game plan. "The Hawthorn model." Ok, so Dimma wants us to play the Hawthorn model of keeping possession of the ball with high level of foot skills. However, looking at the 22 on the weekend the following are not capable of playing this type of game plan. Grigg, Edwards (full time midfield version), McGuane, Rance, Lonergan, Jackson, Chaplin (borderline), Nahas, White. 9/22 and you could probably add Foley to that list too. King would be borderline, though plays deep forward so not really an issue and I've cut Maric some slack as a ruck his skills aren't bad for a big fella. Nearly half the bloody side can't play the game plan we want to play. 3 of those blokes have been recruited by Dimma and the rest Dimma has had a chance to get rid of over 4 off-seasons.
My next issue with the game plan is whether or not people believe it is a finals winning game plan and then a flag winning game plan. Hawthorn despite being regular favourites for the flag have won one premiership with this model and if everyone casts their mind back Geelong should have torched them that day. Will it hold up under finals intensity against a Sydney/Freo pressure game plan? I'm far from convinced.
Hawthorn would be unlikely to have 9 players on the list that can't play the game plan let alone in the 22 on game day. We just don't have the cattle to play this way. The other thing Hawthorn have in their way is some genuine superstars (Franklin, Hodge, Mitchell) and match winners, who win games on their own. (Cyril, Franklin) We have star players and not many win a game off your own boot match winners.
Magnificent and correct assessment - well done!
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Yeah well done Tigs
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well said tigs, great post :clapping The only thing I disagree on is McGuane, apart from the last 2 weeks he has earnt his spot and if anybody should have made way for Griff/Astbury it should have been Tyon form. But agree that medium term he could easily have been phased out if/when Griff and Astbury start showing something
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I think Tigs makes some fair points. Especially agree with the comments that we need a replacement for Tuck.
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what you also have to remember is that currently our whole second tier of midfielders is not playing(Conca,tuck.ellis,knights,)..it doesn't help
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I've emailed it to Damien.
Hope he reads it and replies!
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I've emailed it to Damien.
Hope he reads it and replies!
It will read something like:
Look [something simething]
But [something somehing]
Instant Dimma.
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I've emailed it to Damien.
Hope he reads it and replies!
It will read something like:
Look [something simething]
But [something somehing]
Instant Dimma.
No doubt. ;D
Agree with much of what you say tigs but we've been down the 'get games into the kids' route and failed miserably using it. Give games to the kids to earn it yes and who out perform the more experienced players. Nahas and Lonegan don't offer anything that McDonough or Arnot wouldn't so I agree with that swap. McBean later in the year to take McGuanes place - agree there too.
What I don't want to see is us making whole sale changes and I don't want to see us throwing our talent to the wolves. As much promise as they show don't create another Post or Tambling by expecting too much too soon and ripping the confidence out of the kids. They need time and other side like your Geelongs and Collingwood never bring in kids unless they are fully ready in terms of body size and confidence.
Our biggest problems this year is really injuries both to Maric and our next rank of midfielders. This is making the rest of the team look bad as it is forcing us to play too many of our backup players together and exposing our backline and forwards. Without the engine room firing nothing runs properly.
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I've emailed it to Damien.
Hope he reads it and replies!
It will read something like:
Look [something simething]
But [something somehing]
Instant Dimma.
No doubt. ;D
Agree with much of what you say tigs but we've been down the 'get games into the kids' route and failed miserably using it. Give games to the kids to earn it yes and who out perform the more experienced players. Nahas and Lonegan don't offer anything that McDonough or Arnot wouldn't so I agree with that swap. McBean later in the year to take McGuanes place - agree there too.
What I don't want to see is us making whole sale changes and I don't want to see us throwing our talent to the wolves. As much promise as they show don't create another Post or Tambling by expecting too much too soon and ripping the confidence out of the kids. They need time and other side like your Geelongs and Collingwood never bring in kids unless they are fully ready in terms of body size and confidence.
Our biggest problems this year is really injuries both to Maric and our next rank of midfielders. This is making the rest of the team look bad as it is forcing us to play too many of our backup players together and exposing our backline and forwards. Without the engine room firing nothing runs properly.
Valid points and on that last one we are forced to make do with what we do have.
And until next year draft/ recruit more quality midfielders into our team, we should also go down the avenue of picking up a couple of kids in young 20's ala gws, gc players if there is quality out of contract.
Our biggest problem is we need to make it attractive to come here and by doing that we need to make finals this year amoung many other reasons. I would say alot of the kids at gold coast would be buying into them this year as they are slowly making progress and maybe 1-2 yrs from pushing for the 8.
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Tigs, you've done a great job mate. Well done.
I agree 100% with all you've said. :thumbsup
The game plan that wins premierships is a hard man on man, fight to the death, never beaten game plan.
Swans don't have match winners but beat a team with many match winners.
If you watch all finals matches bar maybe the early rounds with teams 7 or 8, in most finals, games plans go out the window and teams resort to man on man footy.
That's why it's imperative to have a team of hard arse tacklers that won't take a backward step but its also important to have guys that aren't scared to take the game on and run.
You need skill but you also hard heads that want to get and can get the ball themselves.
This soft lollypop footy will never cut it in the finals.
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Thanks for the kind words guys. :thumbsup :cheers
I've emailed it to Damien.
Hope he reads it and replies!
It will read something like:
Look [something simething]
But [something somehing]
Instant Dimma.
No doubt. ;D
Agree with much of what you say tigs but we've been down the 'get games into the kids' route and failed miserably using it. Give games to the kids to earn it yes and who out perform the more experienced players. Nahas and Lonegan don't offer anything that McDonough or Arnot wouldn't so I agree with that swap. McBean later in the year to take McGuanes place - agree there too.
What I don't want to see is us making whole sale changes and I don't want to see us throwing our talent to the wolves. As much promise as they show don't create another Post or Tambling by expecting too much too soon and ripping the confidence out of the kids. They need time and other side like your Geelongs and Collingwood never bring in kids unless they are fully ready in terms of body size and confidence.
Our biggest problems this year is really injuries both to Maric and our next rank of midfielders. This is making the rest of the team look bad as it is forcing us to play too many of our backup players together and exposing our backline and forwards. Without the engine room firing nothing runs properly.
As I said at the start of the post with the kids it needs to be a gradual progression. And by kids most of them are 3rd/4th year players anyway. Helbig/Dea/Astbury/Griff. We need to find out if those 4 are going to be part of the future and personally don't think they are worse than Lonergan/Petterd etc. Then O'Hanlon, Arnot and Elton should be getting a few games here and there by end of season. McDonough is the final one who I think his form will warrant a game pretty soon. Kid will be a gun. Maybe give McBean a taste against GWS late season if Griff is struggling.
Definitely agree that injuries are hurting us but these injuries should be an opportunity to Dea/Helbig/Astbury/Griff to get some games under their belt. We should be using the injuries as a positive to try develop some future players. As soon as all those blokes are back these guys definitely won't get a look in if they can't now.
Vickery needs a rocket at some stage and if he hasn't lifted his intensity a forward line with Griff, Jack and Elton with Griff and Elton pinch hitting at times in the ruck while Ty plays VFL may just be what he needs to bring the best out of him. Dimma has options he just chooses not to use them.
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Guys wasnt Dimma the one who said we wont recruit players to this club that cant kick ???.Lonergan,Petterd,Grigg, the list goes on players getting games who cant kick.Totally agree on Griff we are hurting his development and doing another Post.Back and forward how many times.For ffs his a forward give him 5 games in the forward line and dont move him.
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The summary by Tigs2011 was comprehensive and well thought out. For what it is worth my view is. Agree Griffiths should be played in the forwardline and play in that position for several weeks while gaining form. McGuane's transition to the forwardline was a good move but if you play in the forwardline you have to kick accurately. You have to make the most of your chances. McGuane is a good mark but is a terrible kick and if you put a good defender on him he fades out of the game. McGuane is struggling for form and should be dropped. Griffiths or Astbury should be considered.
McBean is a good prospect but must be given time to develop. Against rushing him into the team. Likewise McDonough and Elton should be given time to develop.
Sadly I think White and Nahas are past their used by dates and if we are to build a side capable of winning a premiership these players must be delisted. I think we should try Arnot and Helbig. We should get games into them. See if they are upto it. Likewise Dea. Play him for more than one week see if he is upto it
Agree injuries have hurt us this year eg Grimes, Tuck and Conca. Tuck's injury has exposed the need to develop a hard inside midfield player. Hopefully Arnot or Helbig could fill that role.
Agree Batchelor should not be playing on key position players. He is a back flanker. I think Batchelor is better than Petterd-Batchelor offers more. Agree we need to develop a tall backman.
Houli has improved his defensive skills this year in particular his tackling and is generally a good kick. Agree if we are to play a high possession game we need players who can kick the ball well. Lonergan and Petterd can't kick and Grigg it seems can only short pass.
We must improve our tackling, pressure on opponents when we don't have the ball and centre clearances if we are to be a genuine finals contender.
Agree Vickery should play forward not in the ruck. For the moment the Big O should be the second ruckman.
Agree with comments about Rance. Agree Edwards should play in the forwardline and agree with comments about Aaron Edwards.
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Agree Vickery should play forward not in the ruck. For the moment the Big O should be the second ruckman.
Agree with comments about Rance. Agree Edwards should play in the forwardline and agree with comments about Aaron Edwards.
I agree with everything you said eliminator including how comprehensive and well thought out tiges post/s were.
The only exceptions I have is for the above comments. I don't think the Big O can rest forward as our second ruck. Just doesn't have the skills imo.
Edwards has shown much more than I would have given him credit for this year. He is a quick and lateral thinker who is very creative around stoppages. The problem with his is that he struggles to win his own ball. Ideally he should play the majority of his football in the forward line or HFF rotating into the midfield on occasions.
I would like to see A Edwards have a go in McGuane place this week. I think he has earned a spot. The big knock on him has been his defensive pressure and size against the bigger defenders because he plays as a leading forward. Before we give the young forwards a place we need to reward a player who has earned a chance with his consistent performances in the VFL.
I believe the biggest problem we have this year is Maric. He is not performing to the same standard he did last year. I also believe a big part of this is his ankle and another part is the new ruck rule. Other ruckmen are jumping over him now and he can't combat that now with his ankle and inability to impede their run. This is causing our midfielders to be beaten as they are constantly second to the ball atm.
Tucks absence also really hurts us. He is such an under-rated player. Watson would not have won anywhere near as much ball on the weekend if Tuck had of been knocking him aside at stoppages. He allows us first use week in week out. Without Foley firing we are reliant on Cotch who is tagged heavily and players like Jackson who aren't up to it. We can't expect players like Edwards or White to win the ball and developing players such as Vlaustin is already shouldering too much. Conca's return will be welcomed but he is only a baby himself. Lonegan is not the answer either. At the moment the cards just aren't falling our way.
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I believe the biggest problem we have this year is Maric. He is not performing to the same standard he did last year. I also believe a big part of this is his ankle and another part is the new ruck rule. Other ruckmen are jumping over him now and he can't combat that now with his ankle and inability to impede their run. This is causing our midfielders to be beaten as they are constantly second to the ball atm.
I agree with you about Maric stripes, he's been disappointing based on last year's output. Having said that though considering he's been playing "sore" since round 2 I think we can cut him some slack. Funny how the media are now noticing it.
I think it was in yestrerday's HUN I read that he "looked to be carrying something" No kidding ::)
But I don't believe it is the ankle injury. He has only had that 3 odd weeks, his mobility problem whether that be jumping, running or even his kicking more than 20 metres has been and issue for most of the season. Hence, why I keep mentioning the groin problem.
In a perfect world you wouldn't play him, rest him up and get it right but clearly the powers that be have decided we cannot afford to do that.
Question I ask is keep playing him at what cost?
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I reckon we've broken him. And if WP is right and it's a groin injury then it could be for good. :whistle
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I reckon we've broken him. And if WP is right and it's a groin injury then it could be for good. :whistle
Could be right :'( Maybe we just need to bite the bullet and trust in the Big O until he is right to go. A fit Big O is a better option than a 70% Maric. We need another ruck talent. For years it has been our Achilles and it doesn't look set to change.
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I reckon we've broken him. And if WP is right and it's a groin injury then it could be for good. :whistle
Could be right :'( Maybe we just need to bite the bullet and trust in the Big O until he is right to go. A fit Big O is a better option than a 70% Maric. We need another ruck talent. For years it has been our Achilles and it doesn't look set to change.
Yer just play the Big O. He may struggle but so is Maric. At least by playing Big O we may get our good version of Maric back at some point. Need to recruit a young ruck to develop on the rookie list. I think this years draft needs to be all about midfielders. No more flankers that we hope can play mid. More mids than can fill out the flanks. Then next year trade for a young ruck. Someone like a Zac Clarke or Billy Longer. Big, athletic kid.
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Harrdwick is happy to play catch in with injury.
What makes you think he will rest maric?
Quite clear long term is of n importance
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So are we saying we are prepared to pee this season down the drain already ,while we play players in the hope they find form,or can fast track their development,because sure as hell I aint.
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Harrdwick is happy to play catch in with injury.
What makes you think he will rest maric?
Quite clear long term is of n importance
Cot chin.
Not catch. :o
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I reckon we've broken him. And if WP is right and it's a groin injury then it could be for good. :whistle
I think it's called "catastrophising"
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So are we saying we are prepared to pee this season down the drain already ,while we play players in the hope they find form,or can fast track their development,because sure as hell I aint.
Not at all. I think the kids I'm suggesting Hardwick gives a go will improve the team both now and in the future. Was listening to Eade an he was saying development and improvement aren't mutually exclusive. We can develop some kids in the ones which will improve our team.
For example
Arnot over Lonergan
Helbig over Nahas
Dea over Petterd
Lesser Extent
McDonough over White
On Par
Griff over McGuane
Not sure who would go out but we need a 3rd KPD in Astbury.
I'm not advocating changing all at once. Just a couple at a time.
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hardwick cannot coach
all he does is try copy other coaches
has no idea what he is doing and which players to select
he is pathetic and talks the talk
another wallet
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Username ...so critical man
offer us your blue print for success
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Tigs...fair points
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In some ways Chaplin has improved our team and looks like a great clubman.
The problem in playing him is that guys like Griff have been banished to the reserves.
Our best win last year was against Hawthorn.
Griff was in that team, played down back and played well.
He was instrumental in that 13 second coast to coast goal too.
By playing Chaplin, we have robbed ourselves of playing guys like Griff or even Elton and developing them as the CHB for the next 12 years. Chaplin has maybe 3 years left if his knee holds up.
I wouldn't have wanted him if I thought he was going to rob the development of our young talls. Getting a guy like that would be different if we lost the GF last year by a kick and all we needed was a CHB. We didn't even make the eight so that indicated that we needed to develop our list even further and not to top up.
My 2 cents worth.....
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In some ways Chaplin has improved our team and looks like a great clubman.
The problem in playing him is that guys like Griff have been banished to the reserves.
Our best win last year was against Hawthorn.
Griff was in that team, played down back and played well.
He was instrumental in that 13 second coast to coast goal too.
By playing Chaplin, we have robbed ourselves of playing guys like Griff or even Elton and developing them as the CHB for the next 12 years. Chaplin has maybe 3 years left if his knee holds up.
I wouldn't have wanted him if I thought he was going to rob the development of our young talls. Getting a guy like that would be different if we lost the GF last year by a kick and all we needed was a CHB. We didn't even make the eight so that indicated that we needed to develop our list even further and not to top up.
My 2 cents worth.....
Or Astbury.
Or McBean
Or Darrou.
>:(
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In some ways Chaplin has improved our team and looks like a great clubman.
The problem in playing him is that guys like Griff have been banished to the reserves.
Our best win last year was against Hawthorn.
Griff was in that team, played down back and played well.
He was instrumental in that 13 second coast to coast goal too.
By playing Chaplin, we have robbed ourselves of playing guys like Griff or even Elton and developing them as the CHB for the next 12 years. Chaplin has maybe 3 years left if his knee holds up.
I wouldn't have wanted him if I thought he was going to rob the development of our young talls. Getting a guy like that would be different if we lost the GF last year by a kick and all we needed was a CHB. We didn't even make the eight so that indicated that we needed to develop our list even further and not to top up.
My 2 cents worth.....
Or Astbury.
Or McBean
Or Darrou.
>:(
I guess the facts are they are not playing well at Coburg. Why would you drop a player that IMO has done a pretty good job for a bloke who has come from another club and is learning our poo style of playing footy.
If they were killing it at Coburg then fair enough but Griff and more so Astbury struggle to even touch the footy. If they are good enough the rest will take care of itself.
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Bull twang. If Griff or Astbury were playing decent footy consistantly then they would be in the team.
Bottom line is they aren't. Way too much is beig made of our recycled players. Chappy etc are playing because the young'ns are injured or aren't good enough yet. Lonergan was a mistake but the majority of our recycled players have been worth it and earnt their spots.
Aboslutely nothing wrong with making young players earn their spot through Coburg. In years gone by people complained about young players being gifted games before they're ready. Now people are saying they're not getting a chance. it's crap. Griff looks disinterested at Coburg and Astbruy is comif back from a long lay off. Arnott is close but still to erratic with skills and too hard at the man. He will play soon tho. Mcbean and Mcdonuts still very raw. This argument that the recycled players are stunting the development of our kids is horse poo and im sick of it. Some
Geelong kids have to play whole seasons in the twos becaus it's too hard to get a game int he ones. This doesn't hurt their development.
We're sucking at the moment because our senior players aren't standing up. People are scapegoating our recycled players but they need to look elsewhere.
Add Conca, Grimes and Ellis back into the side and our team is still very young.
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So are we saying we are prepared to pee this season down the drain already ,while we play players in the hope they find form,or can fast track their development,because sure as hell I aint.
Not at all. I think the kids I'm suggesting Hardwick gives a go will improve the team both now and in the future. Was listening to Eade an he was saying development and improvement aren't mutually exclusive. We can develop some kids in the ones which will improve our team.
For example
Arnot over Lonergan
Helbig over Nahas
Dea over Petterd
Lesser Extent
McDonough over White
On Par
Griff over McGuane
Not sure who would go out but we need a 3rd KPD in Astbury.
I'm not advocating changing all at once. Just a couple at a time.
I would say these players ...
Arnot ---> Lonergan
Astbury ---> Batchelor
Griffiths ---> McGuane
Conca, Ellis ---> Grigg, Jackson/Foley
Do not play Petterd/Lonergan again.
S.Edwards should be playing in the forward pocket! Not in the midfield.
King and Nahas, one of them needs to GO and we need a genuine small forward!
McBean looks the goods so far!
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I think Chappy should be in the team. We only have 2 KPD's in the team as is. There is room for one more. Astbury played well on the weekend. So did Elton. Galea usually celebrates Christmas against Coburg but only got the 2. Hard to stop the avalanche that the Coburg midfield allows. Griffiths needs a game up forward. Probably needs to find some form at Coburg there over next 3 weeks so we can unleash him against an undersized Dogs where he'd probably cop Tom Young. Problem is the ball never goes down there.
So many development issues down there. You play in the backline you've done well to stop your man kicking 5 coz the balls down there every 20 seconds. You play in the forward line and you could quite possibly die of hypothermia. So then you make the life saving change to FB and you are trying to block an avalanche with a cabin.
And finally the midfield. Or whatever you call it in between the 2 hell holes of Coburg. The RFC listed midfielders are now Helbig & Arnot. That's it. Injuries and lack of actual midfielders on our list means only Coburg listed players are left who get paid in hot dogs and cans of coke are up against AFL midfielders and guys getting a fair pay packet. It's ugly.
God forbid McBean stays in that Coburg side too long because he wasn't a 1st round pick. :whistle
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Bull twang. If Griff or Astbury were playing decent footy consistantly then they would be in the team.
Bottom line is they aren't. Way too much is beig made of our recycled players. Chappy etc are playing because the young'ns are injured or aren't good enough yet. Lonergan was a mistake but the majority of our recycled players have been worth it and earnt their spots.
Aboslutely nothing wrong with making young players earn their spot through Coburg. In years gone by people complained about young players being gifted games before they're ready. Now people are saying they're not getting a chance. it's crap. Griff looks disinterested at Coburg and Astbruy is comif back from a long lay off. Arnott is close but still to erratic with skills and too hard at the man. He will play soon tho. Mcbean and Mcdonuts still very raw. This argument that the recycled players are stunting the development of our kids is horse poo and im sick of it. Some
Geelong kids have to play whole seasons in the twos becaus it's too hard to get a game int he ones. This doesn't hurt their development.
We're sucking at the moment because our senior players aren't standing up. People are scapegoating our recycled players but they need to look elsewhere.
Add Conca, Grimes and Ellis back into the side and our team is still very young.
What he said. :clapping
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not enough of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jLf_CPU7uw
and get rid of FJ, he is a dud of epic proportions, needs new glasses
BOOOOOOOO!!!
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not enough of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jLf_CPU7uw
and get rid of FJ, he is a dud of epic proportions, needs new glasses
BOOOOOOOO!!!
:lol Gold.
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Bull twang. If Griff or Astbury were playing decent footy consistantly then they would be in the team.
Bottom line is they aren't. Way too much is beig made of our recycled players. Chappy etc are playing because the young'ns are injured or aren't good enough yet. Lonergan was a mistake but the majority of our recycled players have been worth it and earnt their spots.
Aboslutely nothing wrong with making young players earn their spot through Coburg. In years gone by people complained about young players being gifted games before they're ready. Now people are saying they're not getting a chance. it's crap. Griff looks disinterested at Coburg and Astbruy is comif back from a long lay off. Arnott is close but still to erratic with skills and too hard at the man. He will play soon tho. Mcbean and Mcdonuts still very raw. This argument that the recycled players are stunting the development of our kids is horse poo and im sick of it. Some
Geelong kids have to play whole seasons in the twos becaus it's too hard to get a game int he ones. This doesn't hurt their development.
We're sucking at the moment because our senior players aren't standing up. People are scapegoating our recycled players but they need to look elsewhere.
Add Conca, Grimes and Ellis back into the side and our team is still very young.
:thumbsup
Hardwick was very strong on this point at that the beginning of the year - No more gifted games and players need to earn their spots. I believe this is why Vlaustin was given the start of the start to gain his place in the lineup.
In previous years, finding future players was the number one aim which is why we tried so many players. This is why we suffered so noticeably when Hardwick first began his tenure. We are not at a point where we need to do this again.
If a young player earns a spot, performs well playing for Coburg and a player who plays a similar role to them in the AFL team is under performing or injured then they should be called up. The biggest factor out of all of those is the first - they have earned a call up. We are always in trouble when we are forced to bring in a player through injury - ie Lonegan and Nahas last week.
Arnot, Helbig and Dea are all ready to go and have been performing well most weeks. It might be time to bring these guys in but not because they are young but more-so because they can make an immediate improvement to the team. ;D
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Did I mistake Hardwick when he said players had to earn games? Did he just mean the younger players? I'm not saying these guys should get games because they are kids. I'm saying because they actually fit the type of players Hardwick wanted and are better players. Good kicks of the footy as well as being big bodies and tough and competitive.
Not saying all retreads out. Chaplin & Knights should be playing. Or in Knights case deserved to be playing when he was. They weren't recruited as back-up. They were recruited to fill holes in the list which is fair enough. We needed a KPD because Rance was the only one that wasn't consistently injured and Chaplin is actually a good best 22 player who is better than the younger guys we have. Though I have argued we need a 3rd KPD in the team so Astbury could come in. He has been good in a crappy Coburg team. Chaplin fits the good kick and competitive mantra so fits in the team nicely.
We needed a goal kicking half forward who could play through the midfield. We had O'Hanlon and that's it. He clearly wasn't ready yet so we needed him and Knights would still be getting a game. Knights also fits in the good kick and competitive mantra so fit in the team nicely.
If we had no injuries this wouldn't be an issue because our best 22 is pretty much full of blokes that will improve or play good footy. A couple probably need to be dropped to get a rocket but have got runs on the board in the past.
My issue was first of all Petterd playing a loose man role in the backline when he can't kick a footy. Put someone in who is ready to play and can kick as well. (Dea)
Lonergan coming in and being possibly the worst kick going around. I'm a supporter of having him on the list but this bloke did zilch to earn a game. DE of 30% before getting a game. It's not good enough and we need to demand better of him if he wants a game. Hardwick has been willing to give Helbig a game but as a back pocket on Ballantyne which isn't his natural position. So his form obviously warranted a game but as soon as Morris came back he was gone.
Then we have all the duds that we've had for years. A couple playing a role is ok like when we had McGuane at CHF and Jacko playing in the midfield. We now have a lot of them and the team has no confidence in each other.
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Thanks for the clarification tigs. Again you make a lot of sense. We're at a stage where we are forced to bring in players that we would otherwise prefer not to. Lonegan fits this model - desperate times it appears. :o Players like McGuane, Nahas, White and Jackson must love these injury riddled times - means we they are safe from speculation because the selection panel is too busy trying to cover holes created from injuries rather than make swaps based on form.
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Thanks for the clarification tigs. Again you make a lot of sense. We're at a stage where we are forced to bring in players that we would otherwise prefer not to. Lonegan fits this model - desperate times it appears. :o Players like McGuane, Nahas, White and Jackson must love these injury riddled times - means we they are safe from speculation because the selection panel is too busy trying to cover holes created from injuries rather than make swaps based on form.
Yep appears we are in very desperate times. As I've made arguments for younger, more skilled players taking all those blokes spots I wouldn't want them all to change at once as we'd get spanked. 2 and max of 3 changes this week and then after that we start getting some first choice blokes back. All of a sudden our team looks good again.
One thing I wouldn't mind doing seems Griff isn't in good form to take McGuane's spot is to try just 2 forwards. Worked well last year and than was McGuane and Jack. Jack and Ty would be interesting as sole forwards. Put in an extra mid for rotations so our guns can rest as the 3rd KPF. (Martin, Lids, Cotch)
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Yes I have noticed that this year our midfielders have not had the same impact forward as last year (Martin was the exception last week). Cotch and Lids have had little to no impact. Having just the two talls and one of these three in all that forward space in Pattersons Stadium could be make a real difference. Even playing Lids down there early one out, Jack higher and targeting Lids leads at every opportunity could really throw out the Eagles.
In a similar vein of thought, this is the perfect chance to bring in A Edwards. He is a leading forward and his height would not be so much of a factor on this large long ground. Drop Vickery, bring in the Big O and play him back and the bench. Then bring in A Edwards to go forward.
That would be my call :thumbsup
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First things first someone needs to be ruthless. Dimma or the club. So sick of watching underskilled hacks from other clubs and our own run around. They served a purpose at first because they stop us from being Melbourne like with no leadership so guys like Jackson etc get a game. My issue is that right now we have so many on our list that we keep playing them and it's stopping us from developing our promising kids. And yes, they are promising. Not saying throw in 10 juniors into the side and watch us get pantsed every week but blood 2 at a time. (not including Flossy because he's already pretty established) Give them 5-6 games and see if they sink or swim.
My biggest gripe with the recycled blokes is how many of them would have been drafted if they were 18 year olds under our recruiting philosophy? (Good kicks and Competitive)
2010
Bachar Houli - Good kick and has improved his competitiveness so would keep playing him is doing well.
Shaun Grigg - Can't kick and is about as uncompetitive as we have in the team. No cost to us in that trade but he wouldn't have been drafted and doesn't fit the type of player we want at the club yet gets games.
2011
Ivan Maric - Good kick when fully fit for a big fella and very competitve. Obviously needed a ruckman and was fantastic last year. Shouldn't be playing as he clearly looks injured. My fear is we have broken him already.
2012
Troy Chaplin - Decent kick and been pretty competitive so would probably just pass. Been a good pick up so far.
Chris Knights - Good kick and competitive. Probably best 22 and offered something we lack so isn't holding a kid out.
Ricky Petterd - guy competes but can't kick to save himself yet was a walk up start over Vlastuin.
Sam Lonergan - super competitive but skills, skills, skills. Wouldn't get a second look from our recruiters if he was an 18 year old draft hopeful, yet cracked a game on the weekend.
Orren Stephenson - not ever going to be a long termer but at least has a crack and is back up if Big O goes down. We haven't got a young ruck coming through outside McBean who looks like a gun forward so no harm there.
Aaron Edwards - what purpose does a 29yo 184cm FF have for our team? If we cop an injury to a KPF then a Griff/Elton/Astbury even McBean (last resort) should be getting a crack first.
The next group I want to look at is the older Richmond players who keep getting games despite not fitting the kicking profile.
Robin Nahas - too small, can't win his own ball, too slow and can't kick over a jam tin. Does he offer a big body? No. Does he offer leadership? No. Develop a kid like McDonough in his role.
Matty White - again another small who lacks skill. Doesn't seem to be a real leader and isn't a body protecting the kids. Move Edwards into his role up forward and give a kid like Arnot or Helbig a crack in the midfield.
Luke McGuane - has improved this year and given us a decent target. But is decent what we want from our CHF or do we want to try get something better than that? We have Griff, Elton, Astbury and McBean playing ressies. They won't develop at Coburg and Griff and Astbury are now 4th year players who we need to make a call on in the next year or so.
Daniel Jackson - I can actually see the purpose of why he plays as he's the one always blocking but with our game style, opponents just sag off him and let him have the ball because he's a butcher. Play him in a tagging role and get him to nullify the oppositions best player. ie. Goddard or Watson. Either that or give his spot to a Arnot/Helbig.
Shane Tuck - gives it his all and we struggle without him. We need to find a replacement in the draft soon as he won't be around forever. Feel like we can't play him and Jacko with our game style even though we should be able to. (Will elaborate later)
Shane Edwards - another who has been butchering it lately. Needs to slow himself down when kicking because his hands in traffic are great. He's a small forward though so we need to be playing him there.
Alex Rance - prone to the odd howler but as a KPD I think we can carry one or two blokes like that. Just needs to take the easy/safe option when possible.
That's 7 players in the side lacking in foot skills. Then you add Grigg & Petterd as well who've been regular members and you're nearly at half the team. Aren't we a high possession team that uses foot skills?
KIDS NOT GETTING A REGULAR GAME
Matt Dea - comes in does ok gets dropped. Comes in does ok gets dropped again. I really rate this kid but this isn't helping his confidence. His skills are good, is very good defensively, gutsy as all hell and has great touch below his knees, is as clean as anyone on the list. Give him 5 or 6 games in a row and see what he offers.
David Astbury - this guy was so good in his first year. Cool, calm and collected. Good skills, good leadership and maybe a victim of his own versatility? I'd like to see him get a game at FB (Hurley would have been a good assignment actually.) Batch isn't a KPD and is therefore inconsistent in the role but is making a decent fist of it. Adelaide game onwards and give him a crack at Jenkins.
Ben Griffiths - worst effort to develop a player I think I've seen. Kid looks shot a bit like Post actually. He's a FF and nothing else. Get rid of McGuane and move Riewoldt to CHF and let this kid play out of the square. I reckon he swapped between fwd/back about 5-6 times on Saturday. poohouse for his development. If he flunks it at FF either trade or delist by end of next year. At least give the kid a crack at it though.
Brad Helbig - midfield, midfield, MIDFIELD. He's not a small lock down defender. He's a tough, inside mid with foot skills who if playing outside the midfield is more forward than back IMO. Get rid of Nahas and play this kid. Can't do any worse and find out what he's got.
Kamdyn McIntosh - not ready yet but wouldn't mind him getting a crack in last couple of games to see what he's got. Went up a notch last year when he played at a higher level.
Liam McBean - again not ready but should get a game as a forward (very late in season) if Griff struggled in the role.
Matthew McDonough - wasn't sure on his tank but he was everywhere on Saturday. Depending on his knee I'd play him this week over White. We go up a notch in skills and he's capable of finding as much ball as Whitey.
Todd Elton - don't mind him being developed down back and would like to see him get a crack later in the year at FB. Reckon he could be our big, athletic Carlisle/Talia type defender. Unlike Griff he's played there before. I worry about his skills but Talia is an ordinary kick but has improved and as that dour defender shouldn't need to get much of the ball.
Matthew Arnot - not sold on his skills but should replace Lonergan straight away. Again, give him a block of games to see if he's up to it and if not then delist and try again.
Brett O'Hanlon - unfortunately injured but at some stage should take Grigg's spot on a wing to try him out in FULL games. Better mark and better kick but just as outside as Grigg is.
MY GRIPE
There's two major gripe's I have with Dimma and they're the reason why last night I was one of the ones advocating Paul Roos because I've lost faith in Dimma's direction.
1. "Full rebuild, no shortcuts and no gifted games". These were Dimma's words not mine. I've had no negative comments about the direction the club is heading though I have had concerns over my second point for awhile. Reason I've been positive is for 3 years we stayed the course. Dimma cut the list deep and weeded out a lot of outright spuds and got games into kids. But Dimma has now gone out and loaded up with "back-up players" from other clubs. (Petterd, Stephenson, Lonergan, Edwards, Knights) Not really disappointed with that because they are back-ups if our kids get tired or we run out of players. My issue with Dimma is he has played all these guys over the top of the kids we have been getting games into. Looking back at that list of kids (plus Batch) not getting a regular game and we have Dea (22 games), Batchelor (36), Astbury (24), Griffiths (19), Helbig (16), O'Hanlon (8). These guys should have been getting another 22 games under their belts this year (injury permitting of course) But instead we've gone down the 2013/14 must make finals at all costs path. I have no doubt we will play finals either this year or next but the path Dimma is taking to me screams a 7th/8th side not a future premiership contender.
Now obviously Dimma didn't want to gift these kids games. That's fine with me. But don't bloody gift games to mature age rejects that don't deserve it either. Does Petterd deserve a game more than Dea or Batchelor? Could Batch play the Petterd role and Astbury get a game as a KPD? Does McGuane deserve a game (currently) more than a Griff/Elton/McBean? Does Lonergan deserve a game more than a Helbig or an Arnot? Does Grigg deserve a game over an O'Hanlon/Helbig? Do White/Nahas deserve games over McDonough?
*Haven't mentioned Tuck/Jackson here because in the right system they'd be fine in the team.
2. Our game plan. "The Hawthorn model." Ok, so Dimma wants us to play the Hawthorn model of keeping possession of the ball with high level of foot skills. However, looking at the 22 on the weekend the following are not capable of playing this type of game plan. Grigg, Edwards (full time midfield version), McGuane, Rance, Lonergan, Jackson, Chaplin (borderline), Nahas, White. 9/22 and you could probably add Foley to that list too. King would be borderline, though plays deep forward so not really an issue and I've cut Maric some slack as a ruck his skills aren't bad for a big fella. Nearly half the bloody side can't play the game plan we want to play. 3 of those blokes have been recruited by Dimma and the rest Dimma has had a chance to get rid of over 4 off-seasons.
My next issue with the game plan is whether or not people believe it is a finals winning game plan and then a flag winning game plan. Hawthorn despite being regular favourites for the flag have won one premiership with this model and if everyone casts their mind back Geelong should have torched them that day. Will it hold up under finals intensity against a Sydney/Freo pressure game plan? I'm far from convinced.
Hawthorn would be unlikely to have 9 players on the list that can't play the game plan let alone in the 22 on game day. We just don't have the cattle to play this way. The other thing Hawthorn have in their way is some genuine superstars (Franklin, Hodge, Mitchell) and match winners, who win games on their own. (Cyril, Franklin) We have star players and not many win a game off your own boot match winners.
Bible. :bow
Shane Edwards is a good kick/footballer and Rance is not a bad kick for a key back.
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Excellent :clapping
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I've emailed it to Damien.
Hope he reads it and replies!
Did u get a reply? Or is the reply in the team selection?
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Cam Mooney read my post. Maybe you sent it to him. Just said we play a game style that doesn't hold up in finals. :whistle Is it 4 flags he was involved in?
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3 flags, and one he didnt get a kick in. But I know full well what you meant :thumbsup
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3 flags, and one he didnt get a kick in. But I know full well what you meant :thumbsup
More than any of our players have dreamt of participating in. :whistle
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basically also said that we are weak as pee and we need to start getting nasty. when was the last time any of our blokes hip and shouldered an opposition player into the middle of next week? our players play too soft. They start to need hitting people. Get afew suspensions - big deal. just make a statement.
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Richmonds culture since I started watching them religiously from about the early/mid 90's has always been of complacency. Whenever we look like we're on the right track we always get comfy take the foot off the gas and just expect things to happen. Instead of working even harder to reach the goal that we are striving for. Just an observation I noticed during pre season training each time we finished 9th with fanfare and were talked up to play finals the following year. This season seems eerily similar although we're now too good to crash and burn spectacularly.
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We have been pee for 30 years boys.
We need blokes like when the Scott bros were running together to a bloke or blokes and just physically and mentally disintegrate the opposition then have a bloke in the ilk of voss a senior bloke at our club after the opposition think the mental and physical disintegration has ended to pick up where the Scott boys finished.
Our boys are too worried about off field ventures and haircuts and malakies.
Harden up boys.
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Richmonds culture since I started watching them religiously from about the early/mid 90's has always been of complacency. Whenever we look like we're on the right track we always get comfy take the foot off the gas and just expect things to happen. Instead of working even harder to reach the goal that we are striving for. Just an observation I noticed during pre season training each time we finished 9th with fanfare and were talked up to play finals the following year. This season seems eerily similar although we're now too good to crash and burn spectacularly.
That's why until we do something decent consistently on field anything good we do on field will only be token. We have been woeful. Malakies to be exact.
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Exactly right fellas.
Been hoping for some hard arse footy for years. A transmogrification of sorts into a ferocious, relentless, tough team thats not easily pushed around but is feared by all. A team like Brisbane of 2001-04.
It takes a paradigm shift from everyone at the club, until they raise the standards unfortunately it will never change.
.....still waiting.
We are on a carousel of mediocrity, like the matterhorn ride I used to enjoy when I was a child. The ride is fun with its dips and peaks but its perpetual spinning motion would eventually make me sick.
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The club should offer a 1 year immediate extension to any player whether they are good or not if they King Hit or Hip and Shoulder one of the best opposition players in the first quarter of any game and that player has to leave the ground for the rest of the game. Its time to become Mongrels.
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The club should offer a 1 year immediate extension to any player whether they are good or not if they King Hit or Hip and Shoulder one of the best opposition players in the first quarter of any game and that player has to leave the ground for the rest of the game. Its time to become Mongrels.
:clapping
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Think some people are going over the top with the negativity. We are still a work in progress. Don't forget that last week we had Grimes, Ellis, Conca, Tuck, Knights out of our starting line up. With Foley and Maric half fit. That's a fair whack and the main reason why the bemoaned spuds got a game.
Let see how they respond this week before we start writing off another rebuild.
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basically also said that we are weak as pee and we need to start getting nasty. when was the last time any of our blokes hip and shouldered an opposition player into the middle of next week? our players play too soft. They start to need hitting people. Get afew suspensions - big deal. just make a statement.
Morris
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basically also said that we are weak as pee and we need to start getting nasty. when was the last time any of our blokes hip and shouldered an opposition player into the middle of next week? our players play too soft. They start to need hitting people. Get afew suspensions - big deal. just make a statement.
Morris
Lonergan. We need Morris. :shh
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Think some people are going over the top with the negativity. We are still a work in progress. Don't forget that last week we had Grimes, Ellis, Conca, Tuck, Knights out of our starting line up. With Foley and Maric half fit. That's a fair whack and the main reason why the bemoaned spuds got a game.
Let see how they respond this week before we start writing off another rebuild.
i think your dillusional if your relying on a battered Tuck or first year Knights to get you over the line.
even when those players were in the team we still rewarded medicority by playing your nahas, Lonergan and grigg types
Maric half fit? why play him then
Watch the crows.
No Tippett
No Tex
no worries
players go down others bop up. we reward the tried and tested instead of trying some of the youth. You play well at Coburg, no problem lets elevate Lonergan instead. Great message that sends out
at least we beat the blues, thats the best thing that will come out of this year if we keep this rubbish up
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:clapping
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basically also said that we are weak as pee and we need to start getting nasty. when was the last time any of our blokes hip and shouldered an opposition player into the middle of next week? our players play too soft. They start to need hitting people. Get afew suspensions - big deal. just make a statement.
Morris
Lonergan. We need Morris. :shh
No he was the most recent to go for a bump and get suspended is what I meant :)
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Watch the crows.
No Tippett
No Tex
no worries
:lol oh man I can't wait to beat Brisbane, Dogs, St Kilda, GWS and North :lol :lol. They must be flying. Only one that has any credit is North and North lost, Adelaide didn't win :lol :lol
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basically also said that we are weak as pee and we need to start getting nasty. when was the last time any of our blokes hip and shouldered an opposition player into the middle of next week? our players play too soft. They start to need hitting people. Get afew suspensions - big deal. just make a statement.
Morris
Lonergan. We need Morris. :shh
No he was the most recent to go for a bump and get suspended is what I meant :)
Ahh thought you were suggesting he should wipe someone out on Monday. :lol
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i think your dillusional
Only a dill would spell delusional that way :rollin
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i think your dillusional
Only a dill would spell delusional that way :rollin
ooh dear, i care little
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I saw this posted on twitter. I bet Dimma would love a side of Tigers who could stand up and handle pressure cooker footy :yep.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLvBHjnCAAIpwZ3.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/tigerd/status/341078532354605057/photo/1
Mind you that Prelim isn't one Dimma would want to remember lol.
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Sorry guys Hardwick has put it away and zipped it up this week, no fun tickets here this week
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At least Rampstar will show his face this week, wonder where Jackstar will be ::)
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Great work Dimma.
Well planned, well done! :thumbsup
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Yep credit where credit is due, hardwick pulled out a beauty this week
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Mark Williams :bow
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At least Rampstar will show his face this week, wonder where Jackstar will be ::)
Have to give credit where its due he completely outcoached Worsfold yesterday based on what I saw on the replay this afternoon. The work and planning in dealing with WCE ruck domination was outstanding work from the coaching panel and I dips my lid to them. Great job yesterday. Hopefully they can continue to plan like that in future.
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gee ramps you're slipping.
that wasnt due to hardwick, it was down to choco.
Hardwick is only responsible when it goes pear shape
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At least Rampstar will show his face this week, wonder where Jackstar will be ::)
Have to give credit where its due he completely outcoached Worsfold yesterday based on what I saw on the replay this afternoon. The work and planning in dealing with WCE ruck domination was outstanding work from the coaching panel and I dips my lid to them. Great job yesterday. Hopefully they can continue to plan like that in future.
I too watched the replay a couple of times Ramps and there were encouraging signs...but...unlike some of the 'premature adulator's' (not you) on this forum, I'll hold back my kudos until I see lasting, consistent and successful changes..... against better opposition. We are 16th in hit-outs and 11th in clearances after all. If Dimma and his crew keep a hard edge on the side, get the blend of attack/defence right and most importantly get us into the finals, I'll gladly praise him/them.
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At least Rampstar will show his face this week, wonder where Jackstar will be ::)
Have to give credit where its due he completely outcoached Worsfold yesterday based on what I saw on the replay this afternoon. The work and planning in dealing with WCE ruck domination was outstanding work from the coaching panel and I dips my lid to them. Great job yesterday. Hopefully they can continue to plan like that in future.
I too watched the replay a couple of times Ramps and there were encouraging signs...but...unlike some of the 'premature adulator's' (not you) on this forum, I'll hold back my kudos until I see lasting, consistent and successful changes..... against better opposition. We are 16th in hit-outs and 11th in clearances after all. If Dimma and his crew keep a hard edge on the side, get the blend of attack/defence right and most importantly get us into the finals, I'll gladly praise him/them.
Watching the replay a few times already would put you in the "premature adulator" category surely Ruanaidh. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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At least Rampstar will show his face this week, wonder where Jackstar will be ::)
Have to give credit where its due he completely outcoached Worsfold yesterday based on what I saw on the replay this afternoon. The work and planning in dealing with WCE ruck domination was outstanding work from the coaching panel and I dips my lid to them. Great job yesterday. Hopefully they can continue to plan like that in future.
I too watched the replay a couple of times Ramps and there were encouraging signs...but...unlike some of the 'premature adulator's' (not you) on this forum, I'll hold back my kudos until I see lasting, consistent and successful changes..... against better opposition. We are 16th in hit-outs and 11th in clearances after all. If Dimma and his crew keep a hard edge on the side, get the blend of attack/defence right and most importantly get us into the finals, I'll gladly praise him/them.
Watching the replay a few times already would put you in the "premature adulator" category surely Ruanaidh. :rollin :rollin :rollin
You should be aware Ivan that I have copyrighted that phrase ;)....BTW I scrutinised the replay dispassionately and forensically I assure you.
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did you get any enjoyment out of the win?
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did you get any enjoyment out of the win?
I enjoyed watching the back-line put in another cohesive effort. The forward line at least played team-orientated footy, for once.....meh...and the middle tried hard under the weight of being smashed in the Ruck. Maric obviously understood that he couldn't beat his opponents and was happy to askew their accuracy....and he did.....that brought a smile. What I really enjoyed though were the efforts of Vlaustin (again) and Foley....and the antics of the old Master on the sidelines. Mixed bag with a few more sherbets than usual I'd say. This is Richmond remember, It doesn't pay to get too effusive as disappointment may only be 1 week away.
Did that answer your question Al?..... or was it rhetorical?
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Im not smart enough to know what effusive means. Wheres 65 when you need him. No wonder Im hanging out in OER. I feel bad now. I may go and watch the replay again. :gotigers
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Im not smart enough to know what effusive means. Wheres 65 when you need him. No wonder Im hanging out in OER. I feel bad now. I may go and watch the replay again. :gotigers
I just hope I spelt it right :)....but, oh never mind my stalker/spell-checker 'Yeahright' will let me know soon enough if that is the case. :whistle
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Im not smart enough to know what effusive means. Wheres 65 when you need him.
You should get a gig with Barry Hall on 360! ;D
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Im not smart enough to know what effusive means. Wheres 65 when you need him. No wonder Im hanging out in OER. I feel bad now. I may go and watch the replay again. :gotigers
Try visiting the other pub. They'll tell you what effusive means it just might to be your detriment
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Im not smart enough to know what effusive means. Wheres 65 when you need him. No wonder Im hanging out in OER. I feel bad now. I may go and watch the replay again. :gotigers
I just hope I spelt it right :)....but, oh never mind my stalker/spell-checker 'Yeahright' will let me know soon enough if that is the case. :whistle
Stalker? I replied to one of your posts :lol. Not usually a spell-checker but find it funny when someone plays the smart guy and insults someones intellect just to get it wrong themselves :lol
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This thread is off topic and since Hardwick came out on top this thread is closed until next loss.
Please do not post here accordingly.
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Im not smart enough to know what effusive means. Wheres 65 when you need him. No wonder Im hanging out in OER. I feel bad now. I may go and watch the replay again. :gotigers
I just hope I spelt it right :)....but, oh never mind my stalker/spell-checker 'Yeahright' will let me know soon enough if that is the case. :whistle
Stalker? I replied to one of your posts :lol. Not usually a spell-checker but find it funny when someone plays the smart guy and insults someones intellect just to get it wrong themselves :lol
How did I know you would respond to a whistle? :lol BTW I 'miss-wrote' a word.......but I was right-on the money regarding your intellect ;)
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Please do not post here accordingly.
Thanks
And ruin all the fish shooting barrel stuff.....no way.......
In any case I'll be off for a few days as I do a bit of Trekking with the boys. Havagoodweegend everyone :thumbsup....including you Dimma. :shh
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Im not smart enough to know what effusive means. Wheres 65 when you need him. No wonder Im hanging out in OER. I feel bad now. I may go and watch the replay again. :gotigers
I just hope I spelt it right :)....but, oh never mind my stalker/spell-checker 'Yeahright' will let me know soon enough if that is the case. :whistle
Stalker? I replied to one of your posts :lol. Not usually a spell-checker but find it funny when someone plays the smart guy and insults someones intellect just to get it wrong themselves :lol
How did I know you would respond to a whistle? :lol BTW I 'miss-wrote' a word.......but I was right-on the money regarding your intellect ;)
You happened to post before I went through reading the threads, wow man you have some skills :clapping. No point arguing with a pseudo intellect
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Sack Hardwick. Yeah that'll do it. :wallywink
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did you get any enjoyment out of the win?
I enjoyed watching the back-line put in another cohesive effort. The forward line at least played team-orientated footy, for once.....meh...and the middle tried hard under the weight of being smashed in the Ruck. Maric obviously understood that he couldn't beat his opponents and was happy to askew their accuracy....and he did.....that brought a smile. What I really enjoyed though were the efforts of Vlaustin (again) and Foley....and the antics of the old Master on the sidelines. Mixed bag with a few more sherbets than usual I'd say. This is Richmond remember, It doesn't pay to get too effusive as disappointment may only be 1 week away.
Did that answer your question Al?..... or was it rhetorical?
nah it wasn't rhetorical and the length of the answer on it's own pretty much answered the question. :laugh:
personally I just enjoy each and every win as it happens and leave the deep and critical investigation as to why the win wasn't really that good until later. you never know, but it just may the last you see.
:cheers
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Sack Hardwick. Yeah that'll do it. :wallywink
Typical Richmond assing about :banghead
Need to move on this before Melbourne snap up Peter Rhodes or Terry Wallace :banghead :banghead
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It's Rhode :banghead
And I know for a fact he is staying true to Port :banghead
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it's definitely Paul Rhodes :banghead
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Lucky I had my windscreen wiper put on my computer screen to wipe away my coffee snortings
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it's definitely Paul Rhodes :banghead
:banghead
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:clapping
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Dimma has put it away for a while
Please come back later
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No. We won so it was Chocco who coached us.
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I'm still not convinced he is the man that can coach a flag.
Big difference between creating a finals team and a premiership one, just ask St Kilda or the Bulldogs.
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TBR, we don't have a premiership list yet do I don't think anyone can be 'sure'.
What reservations do you have about Dimma?
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I think his matchday work is patchy and I am not sure he has the capacity to demand absolute discipline from his players. I think he is too close to his group and tends to laugh off suspensions and poor discipline rather than deal with them.
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Hardwick has easily outcoached Worsfold and Sanderson two weeks running. He seems to be improving as a coach.
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I think his matchday work is patchy and I am not sure he has the capacity to demand absolute discipline from his players. I think he is too close to his group and tends to laugh off suspensions and poor discipline rather than deal with them.
Fair enough. I think the remainder of this year wil reveal a lot.
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I think his matchday work is patchy and I am not sure he has the capacity to demand absolute discipline from his players. I think he is too close to his group and tends to laugh off suspensions and poor discipline rather than deal with them.
And he persists with 21 players only on gameday? :rollin
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He'll be marked on what he brings to the table against seasoned coaches and quality sides.
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He'll be marked on what he brings to the table against seasoned coaches and quality sides.
Worsfold not a seasoned coach? West Coast and Adelaide have been continual finals participants have they not?
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He'll be marked on what he brings to the table against seasoned coaches and quality sides.
Worsfold not a seasoned coach? West Coast and Adelaide have been continual finals participants have they not?
would have to agree with Ruanaidh. Woosha does he really care as much anymore? Sanderson losing 2 A graders would kill any team
I'd like to see him coach and defeat a Lyon coached outfit at the G or Turd in rd 23 when the pressure gauge is really on.
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I suppose my view is influenced by the fact that this season we wont win the flag. Success this season for me is for Richmond to finish 6th, 7th or 8th. Even if we go out in week 1 it wont matter much. We'll get a decent draft pick again so we will either get another good young player or trade it to get in a good young player like Taylor Adams anyway.
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I am most worried at the lack of development mcbean (played 3rds on weekend??!), Elton, Griffiths.
And list blockers continuing to get games as the 3rd tall forward.
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I am most worried at the lack of development mcbean (played 3rds on weekend??!), Elton, Griffiths.
And list blockers continuing to get games as the 3rd tall forward.
McBean did not play 3rds. He didn't play at all. He was close to selection according to Chocco for the 1sts. We have a 6 day turnaround between Coburg game yesterday and our game against the Dogs. I reckon he's a big chance to debut.
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Bulldogs dont have much height down back, McBean should be able to have some impact against the Bullies.
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LOL bents planted the seed of mcbeen playing thirds in his own head and now it has grown into a fully fledged been stalk. no watering, fertiliser or tender care required.
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He'll be marked on what he brings to the table against seasoned coaches and quality sides.
Worsfold not a seasoned coach? West Coast and Adelaide have been continual finals participants have they not?
I should have added "over the course of the season".....I did use the plural though ;).......Having said that there were some good strategies (previously noted) applied in the West Coast game......and we cut Adelaide to pieces with our outside run - just what I have asking for..
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LOL bents planted the seed of mcbeen playing thirds in his own head and now it has grown into a fully fledged been stalk. no watering, fertiliser or tender care required.
;D
:clapping
:rollin
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Mate vision impaired radio Melbourne broadcast lacked accuracy
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Dimma has it locked away tighter than an ants sphincter
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Has turned his team into a very professional bunch - atleast against lowly and middle rung sides. Its more than any Richmond coach has done in almost 3 decades. Hardwick has improved the team every year he has had them so I think its fair to say we could be looking at our first 10 year+ coach in a very very long time.
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Happy with Hardwick but personally I wonder how much of the improvement this year is directly related to Choco's influence. Wouldn't surprise me if plenty of it is. Good team combo. Hope they both stay for multiple years.
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Happy with Hardwick but personally I wonder how much of the improvement this year is directly related to Choco's influence. Wouldn't surprise me if plenty of it is. Good team combo. Hope they both stay for multiple years.
Shyte
Loads
God bless choco
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Choco is having a great influence just look at how good Coburg are
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Hopefully Melbourne hire Eade...
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Has turned his team into a very professional bunch - atleast against lowly and middle rung sides. Its more than any Richmond coach has done in almost 3 decades. Hardwick has improved the team every year he has had them so I think its fair to say we could be looking at our first 10 year+ coach in a very very long time.
I'd say the only sides we haven't proven ourselves against are the genuine top 4 sides in the comp.
Would back us to beat pies right now.
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Choco is having a great influence just look at how good Coburg are
:clapping
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No posting in here until we lose, that's an official warning for the lot of you
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I'll be interested to see if we have a crack at trading with GWS for the #1 pick next year.
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I'll be interested to see if we have a crack at trading with GWS for the #1 pick next year.
Do tell TBR
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Thread has been reopened
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Get serious. Hardwick isn't the one not running.
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He has no idea of what to do for plan b
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Please..........get up the lazy bloody players, this is not a coaching issue.
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50/50.
Hardwick cant improvise at the same time
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50/50.
Hardwick cant improvise at the same time
True.
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I thought we were quick until I saw this game.
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Hardwick should be coaching to stop the bleeding now...but he isnt
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Hardwick should be coaching to stop the bleeding now...but he isnt
Hardwick was out coached today.
He and our team have all had there pants pulled down & their puny little dicks are exposed for all too see.
Our leaders let him down big time too.
Today is a reminder that we might not make finals.
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he actually was outcoached, easily but the players were worse
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Cant believe I did it !! All season i found myself saying ' nah dont back us to win, we loose the ones we are supposed to win'. and after the last month my mind was actually changed. Shame on me, should've known better. A loss is one thing but a 10goal + loss is another. How about you reward our 2013 memberships before asking for 2014. so stuffing over it.
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Cant believe I did it !! All season i found myself saying ' nah dont back us to win, we loose the ones we are supposed to win'. and after the last month my mind was actually changed. Shame on me, should've known better. A loss is one thing but a 10goal + loss is another. How about you reward our 2013 memberships before asking for 2014. so stuffing over it.
Bye then
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Ease up Chuck.
He's allowed to have a whinge
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Ease up Chuck.
He's allowed to have a whinge
Bloody oath I am, every time I put faith in the club I get shat all over
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Ease up Chuck.
He's allowed to have a whinge
He sounds like a girl
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He's passionate and sick of inexplicable performances.
I get it
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Where's Tucker's?
I want some real whinging.
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Where's Tucker's?
I want some real whinging.
Yeh and Claw should be back in a big way this week
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Ease up Chuck.
He's allowed to have a whinge
He sounds like a girl
that's actually funny.
He sounds like Jack played
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the players were complete bludgers today. Hardwick should be organising a 7am training session tomorrow morning with players bringing their mouth guards for some more match practice. Today was a disgrace but no coach could have done anything today, the players were hopeless.
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Didn't go to the game, watched it via Foxtel so I'll have to use the commentators as a guide: Kingy said Hardwick was completely out-coached by Scott and Dermie was exasperated at Hardwick's defensive set-up when we were 10 goals down. I would add that were clearly one Tall Back down on paper before the game started. One of Griff, Astbury or Elton will need to be utilised in future.
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I'd go with Dermie
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Didn't go to the game, watched it via Foxtel so I'll have to use the commentators as a guide: Kingy said Hardwick was completely out-coached by Scott and Dermie was exasperated at Hardwick's defensive set-up when we were 10 goals down. I would add that were clearly one Tall Back down on paper before the game started. One of Griff, Astbury or Elton will need to be utilised in future.
Why not out 2 . 3. 4. Behind the ball when they get a run on?
Collingwood game all over again
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Batchelor - anyone rate him?
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Batchelor - anyone rate him?
Nup should never have been picked by us anyway in the draft. That Luke Parker isnt a Tiger player is a disgrace.
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Batchelor - anyone rate him?
I was.... Losing faith very quickly.
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Brackets on fire today :lol
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:lol
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at least someone is (*)x(*)
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I was watching a greek porno a while back the star of the show was a greek priest and his penchant for his female perisheners to skipse and glipse lol. Greek pornos are the best. :lol
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all chicks deserve Greek
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especially christians
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the running commentary in retro greek pornos is gold
oxi sto golo ponaaaaaei,
nai sto golo
oxi oxi
nai nai
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This thread should be changed to Hardwick's sack.
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North played 2 spare men behind the ball and they killed us.
Lachie Hansen destroyed us. Hansen is a spud.
Who was our spare man? Wouldn't have a clue?
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Must ring Roos 9am Monday and offer him 7 million over next 5 years.
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Just saw Hardwicks' presser and I must say I liked his demeanour. I'd suggest there will be a few changes next week.
He said that North liked to set-up with numbers down back and he knew it....This would explain our having the resultant loose man structure in the middle of the ground in order to counter attack. The problem was our forwards weren't skilled and/or motivated enough to keep the pressure up to anywhere near the required level for this structure to work. North blitzkrieged through our set-up time after time and entered a wide open North forward line. Hardwick had to man up any loose North back-men earlier than he did.....our loose man/men were ineffective anyway.
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North played 2 spare men behind the ball and they killed us.
2? Try a dozen.
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Hardwick was out coached today,
N0rt's loose man in defence (Hansen) cut us to ribbons in the first qtr to allow them to continue to set up that way for the entire 2nd qtr beggared belief.
Pathetic effort by our players, very poor day by our coaches today
Terrific, just terrific TM
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the running commentary in retro greek pornos is gold
oxi sto golo ponaaaaaei,
nai sto golo
oxi oxi
nai nai
Greek pornos are outstanding for their comedic value and the dialogue alone let alone the rooting that occurs and the storylines behind it. If Greeks spent as much time trying to fix their economy as they do on the porno storylines Greece would be the economic envy of the world ;D
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Where's Tucker's?
I want some real whinging.
Went out post game with the family.
Just an awful day at the office. That pretty much sums it up.
Next week presents a new challenge in beating a side we have never beaten and I expect our boys will meet the demand this challenge presents. :thumbsup
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the running commentary in retro greek pornos is gold
oxi sto golo ponaaaaaei,
nai sto golo
oxi oxi
nai nai
Greek pornos are outstanding for their comedic value and the dialogue alone let alone the rooting that occurs and the storylines behind it. If Greeks spent as much time trying to fix their economy as they do on the porno storylines Greece would be the economic envy of the world ;D
Poo issue mori eeme etimos.
Ade xapla. Etsi de ax ax ax. :thumbsup
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Where's Tucker's?
I want some real whinging.
Went out post game with the family.
Just an awful day at the office. That pretty much sums it up.
Next week presents a new challenge in beating a side we have never beaten and I expect our boys will meet the demand this challenge presents. :thumbsup
That's it?
Very disappointing Tucker.
I was hoping for a decent diatribe on how pathetic we were & how we missed a great opportunity to bury the nomads.
Your pre match form was excellent but your post match form needs some work.
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We are Geelong in 1990's and early 2000's. Look great when it comes off but until we learn to be defensively proactive committed and minded we will never win a flag and we will be flat track bullies.
Lamentably today we were outplayed, out coached and their spread was just too good.
Had we played a top 4 side today the margin would have been far greater.
Just a terrible game and result. Today we just could not swat the annoying little mozzie of a footy club and splat them for 2013. Just nowhere near good enough.
An aberration and a chance to redeem next week. Do it Tiges.
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Disappointing Hardwick cant be as honest when appraising his own performance.
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Where's Tucker's?
I want some real whinging.
Went out post game with the family.
Just an awful day at the office. That pretty much sums it up.
Next week presents a new challenge in beating a side we have never beaten and I expect our boys will meet the demand this challenge presents. :thumbsup
That's it?
Very disappointing Tucker.
I was hoping for a decent diatribe on how pathetic we were & how we missed a great opportunity to bury the nomads.
Your pre match form was excellent but your post match form needs some work.
What is the point Tigs? Outplayed and outcoached totally today. Furthermore had a busy morning got to Etihad and went to a post match family gathering which only got home not long ago. Long day.
I'm tired, disappointed and angry but I'd like to think I am philosophical and if you are waiting for a Nought tirade really I can't be stuffed other than to say we were terrible today.
Aberration, put today in the let it go but never forget category and hopefully we redeem and win next week. Nothing much more to say. If the highlight of your day is to goad me on perceived pre and post match form then good luck to you. :help
I will give you one thing though Tigs, like all things Nort do the concept has been copied by them the make some noise was just a rip off of our roar meter from 2000. :help
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A lot of my mates have mentioned we are flat track bullies, but to be honest we've had a pretty lob sided draw. We've face alot of bottom 8 clubs and beat them all (bar North) we've lost to the best teams and beaten the crap teams (bar North).
Last year we knocked off Hawks and Swans, so whilst this year it may seem like we can easily beat up the crap teams and can't compete with the best teams, last year that wasn't the case.
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at very best, we're a position 8 side.
7 when the sun shines.
Indeed, the favorable draw has given us a stay of execution.
Favorable big time!
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at very best, we're a position 8 side.
7 when the sun shines.
Indeed, the favorable draw has given us a stay of execution.
Favorable big time!
:clapping
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Yeah, well the draw aint that favourable. We only play GWS and GC once, and as usual its on their turf.
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i disagree, RR
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Yeah, well the draw aint that favourable. We only play GWS and GC once, and as usual its on their turf.
Hang on aren't we receiving $500K by choice to play Gold Coast in Cairns?
You can't blame the draw for that and whilst Collingwood in the past and even now and some others get maximum refund on the draw and attendances they don't play GC or GWS twice either.
You can't keep bringing up that old chestnut.
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Yeah, well the draw aint that favourable. We only play GWS and GC once, and as usual its on their turf.
Hang on aren't we receiving $500K by choice to play Gold Coast in Cairns?
Yep
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I was dead against us selling off our home games to Cairns from the outset, and I haven't changed my position on it one little bit.
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I was dead against us selling off our home games to Cairns from the outset, and I haven't changed my position on it one little bit.
I was against it too
But we did sell the games and the trade off for us was we only had to play them once a season
So I don't think we can sook or complain about it now
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WP any idea how the $500,000 will be replaced from next year?
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WP any idea how the $500,000 will be replaced from next year?
Incessant telephone calls to members to purchase $200 raffle tickets.
They only need to sell 2500 raffle tickets. ;D
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WP any idea how the $500,000 will be replaced from next year?
FTF of course (being sarcastic)
Seriously No idea but considering they've been making million $$$ profits the last few years with it being there, take it away and it isn't like it means they will suddenly not make a profit.
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WP any idea how the $500,000 will be replaced from next year?
we could tank as get the afl to fine us $500k - and tell them to give us 1000k the following year
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WP any idea how the $500,000 will be replaced from next year?
Greek pornos
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unfortunately due to economic conditions in Europe greek pornos are now filmed in black and white and in silent mode.so not much scope for revenue raising there.
However like Greece maybe the RFC could hit the IMF and Euro bank for a multi billion dollar loan atnext to zero interest rate
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WP any idea how the $500,000 will be replaced from next year?
Greek pornos
Ramps is writing up the dialogue for them now.
No storylines please, just dialogue and action. :thumbsup
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unfortunately due to economic conditions in Europe greek pornos are now filmed in black and white and in silent mode.so not much scope for revenue raising there
Greek film industry has been immune to economic issues. Has not hurt the budget for props and equipment.
Films are filmed in Technicolor just like Hollywood. ;D
Your thinking of Cypriot pornos whose budget has diminished so far that they are no longer using actors or film or sound.
Apparently Andy D is now wearing two hats.
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I was dead against us selling off our home games to Cairns from the outset, and I haven't changed my position on it one little bit.
I was against it too
But we did sell the games and the trade off for us was we only had to play them once a season
So I don't think we can sook or complain about it now
Hang on, I haven't heard this one before. Am I getting this right? Are you saying that part of the "incentive" for us selling off our home game (aside from the 500 grand) was that we only had to play the GC once??? If that is the case, this was all the more reason NOT to sell off our home games. The fact is we only have a short little window of opportunity to inflict some pain, and feast on points and percentage on these ridiculous franchise clubs, before all the cream of the draft the AFL has gifted them develops physically, and they start handing out some payback. So while all the other clubs were drawing them twice and having a feast, we were basically playing them once in some far-flung Turkish bath, and having our asses handed to us on a plate, all for a few lousy dollars. Yeah, nice plan Richmond :rollin
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Before we sold the game to Cairns the draft draw for season 2011 had us playing GC twice once on the Goldcoast and once down here at Etihad (Caro reported it IIRC), then we sold 2 home games (one to Darwin one to Cairns) and the draw was changed and part of the trade off was we would only play GC and travel to Qld to play them once (again reported by Caro)
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I heard that too WP. Apparently after GC had the bye in rd 1 2011 their first game was scheduled against us at the GABBA but we pledged to play them in Cairns and Carlton got the nod. We got done in both games the one in Darwin and Cairns.
A you say WP, Terrific just terrific.
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I will say this 2 games this year against the dons and roos we didnt rock up to play.In saying that Dimma and his crew didnt manage well aswell and both games had no plan B at all.I find this strange considering we have Choco there who is regarded has one of the best tactians.
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I would be ok with us playing a home game against GWS in West Sydney for $500,000 next year as well. Cash is King.
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winning is king, cash will come if we are winning
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I would be ok with us playing a home game against GWS in West Sydney for $500,000 next year as well. Cash is King.
I'd rather play at the G.
11 home games to me means 11 games at the MCG.
We are an economic viable organisation now, don't need to sell off home games.
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I would be ok with us playing a home game against GWS in West Sydney for $500,000 next year as well. Cash is King.
The club will lose more than $500,000 if we dont make finals Ramps, and lose next week. You can count on that.
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Didn't go to the game, watched it via Foxtel so I'll have to use the commentators as a guide: Kingy said Hardwick was completely out-coached by Scott and Dermie was exasperated at Hardwick's defensive set-up when we were 10 goals down. I would add that were clearly one Tall Back down on paper before the game started. One of Griff, Astbury or Elton will need to be utilised in future.
But it's Chocco on the boundary?
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He drops this game he will be under pressure bigtime.
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OK as it looks like we are playing finals this thread is closed until next season
Please vent on other forums if you need to eg Dees, Norf
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OK as it looks like we are playing finals this thread is closed until next season
Please vent on other forums if you need to eg Dees, Norf
Not so fast Chucky....but I will say that since the Bombers debacle he feels more comfortable in his skin, including his response to the Norf loss. He is not 'out of the woods' but like the players and other coaches he is showing growth. That needs to continue next game and the game after that - win or lose.
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OK as it looks like we are playing finals this thread is closed until next season
Please vent on other forums if you need to eg Dees, Norf
if First final he brings in mcgaune CHB A edwards CHF this thread will continue
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OK as it looks like we are playing finals this thread is closed until next season
Please vent on other forums if you need to eg Dees, Norf
if First final he brings in mcgaune CHB A edwards CHF this thread will continue
It would be 'Volcanic' if that was to occur ;D
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He is getting on the right side of the ledger against top sides so I'll give him credit for that.......oh and Choco of course ;)
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Thread is closed until next year please do not post in here
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Congrats to Dimma. 12 wins and counting. His best record yet :clapping
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this doesnt need to be discussed for at least 3 years coz he'll be coaching Richmond for at least that amount of time to come probably longer.
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Seasons over, first finals in how ever long. Do we still sack him?
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Seasons over, first finals in how ever long. Do we still sack him?
Next week if we don't win, knives are out and pressure is on
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I think he will be coaching until at least 2017/2018. They will give him atleast that to win a flag.
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I think he will be coaching until at least 2017/2018. They will give him atleast that to win a flag.
Yeah probably but we can still start a movement to sack him next time we have a bad loss can't we?
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Considering in 2010 we were the worst side since Fitzroy, and now we are playing finals, he has done a remarkable job.
All this in a market that has seen several compromised drafts.
Well done Dimma, Benny, Gary and FJ!
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All of Dimmas fine work will be eroded with a loss to the 9th ranked team
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Somehow I don't think we'll lose to the 9th ranked team but I do find it both apt and typically ironic that if there is a team to benefit from the misappropriation and exclusion of another it is Carlscum. :-\
Nothing outside of a premiership would qualify as sweet a moment as disposing of this footy team from their oh so fortunate finals appearance. :thumbsup
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A few were screaming this out yesterday just before the final siren. I don't agree with it but his gameplan seriously needs to be adressed.
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A few were screaming this out yesterday just before the final siren. I don't agree with it but his gameplan seriously needs to be adressed.
they were probably carlton supporters
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A few were screaming this out yesterday just before the final siren. I don't agree with it but his gameplan seriously needs to be adressed.
they were probably carlton supporters
Yep the Richmond ones were gone. :lol
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A few were screaming this out yesterday just before the final siren. I don't agree with it but his gameplan seriously needs to be adressed.
they were probably carlton supporters
They were definitely Tigers fans
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Going backwards.
Sack Hardwick!
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Going backwards.
Sack Hardwick!
On queue
Round 1 , yes it's been pathetic but please
Well done torch
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:lol
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Sack Vickery
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They're all crap
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Why pull off Griffiths?
Vickery should have gone off!
Why the love for Vickery and the continual degradation of Griffiths?
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Unstuffingacceptable. Round 1 I know, but geez we can't bloody lose games like this. Unacceptable.
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Why pull off Griffiths?
Vickery should have gone off!
Why the love for Vickery and the continual degradation of Griffiths?
Got us all stuffed tbh :huh3
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Sack Peggy Sue...clearly the woman's touch has made us even softer.
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Sack Vickery
Your on the money there. Vickery is useless.
I thought maybe I was too harsh on him last year but I was wrong. He's worse than I remember.
:chuck :banghead :banghead :banghead
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They always do and always will
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Why pull off Griffiths?
Vickery should have gone off!
Why the love for Vickery and the continual degradation of Griffiths?
100 % correct. I was flabbergasted.
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Hardwicks record is now 39 wins 50 losses
That should get him another 2 year extension
Pack of impostors at Punt Rd
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Cameo King Tyrone didn't let me down :clapping
That's what he dishes up more often than not
Terrific, just terrific TM
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Hardwicks work was done last year.
Time for a real coach
Even choco would be better.
Hardwick was supposed to bring a toughness to the teM - PIGS ARSE.
Frawley MK II
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Torch is the most obvious troll I have ever seen. Mods give bans to Richmond fans but can't even ban obvious trolls like torch and mrakarse
Hardwicks record is now 39 wins 50 losses
That should get him another 2 year extension
Pack of impostors at Punt Rd
Perhaps but thank Geez you have no involvement to make it even worse.
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Seriously though, Hardwick's weakness is his defensive coaching and his selections but apart from the baffling decision to sub Griffiths instead of Son of the Fitness Bloke, I actually thought he made some good moves tonight, it was the players inabilty to execute , through poor skills and lack of football nous that let him down.
He just doesn't have the cattle and when you don't have the cattle, they'll expose & magnify your flaws as a coach.
Then again, the buck ultimately stops with the coach when it comes to the quality of a list.
It is however annoying to be beaten by a manufactured team that's one of the main reasons we don't have the cattle we should.
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He has NFI
Martin was wasted
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Torch is the most obvious troll I have ever seen. Mods give bans to Richmond fans but can't even ban obvious trolls like torch and mrakarse
Hardwicks record is now 39 wins 50 losses
That should get him another 2 year extension
Pack of impostors at Punt Rd
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Perhaps but thank Geez you have no involvement to make it even worse.
Why would I want to be involved with a pack of losers
#Bang!!!!
And furthermore how many more years are they going to persist with Vickery
Spare me please
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Haha you can't go around doing hashtags man.
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Probs as long as they hv persisted with the 16 other duds
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Like torch starting this thread which was as predictable as the Cameo king Tyrome's efforts tonight
Jack is back again on queue, on time it would seem ;D
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Bang wtf? :lol
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Hey Coach
Vickery#hack
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Like torch starting this thread which was as predictable as the Cameo king Tyrome's efforts tonight
Jack is back again on queue, on time it would seem ;D
This will be enjoyable reading before I climb into the crib. A whole pre-season of the angry boyz on here bagging the club...and many of 'em were the same people singing the praises of Vickery, Chaplin, Petard etc during summer
Hey Coach
Vickery#hack
I like that one. But we're not on twitter. I see many twits posting though
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Bang wtf? :lol
Get with the program son #bang
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He has NFI
Martin was wasted
Martin needs to play mid and rest forward full stop.
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He has NFI
Martin was wasted
Martin needs to play mid and rest forward full stop.
Agree. Wish stuffwit did
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He has NFI
Martin was wasted
Martin needs to play mid and rest forward full stop.
here here
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He has NFI
Martin was wasted
At least he realised it eventually....the real question is will he stubbornly persit with it? On form I fear he will.
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He has NFI
Martin was wasted
At least he realised it eventually....the real question is will he stubbornly persit with it? On form I fear he will.
:yep
I give you exhibit A - Ty Vickery
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Hardwicks work was done last year.
Time for a real coach
Even choco would be better.
Hardwick was supposed to bring a toughness to the teM - PIGS ARSE.
Frawley MK II
They aren't tough at all.
They are soft as marshmallows.
They even look skinnier and leaner than the GC boys.
It looks like the same cycle of mediocrity all over again.
They couldn't beat our enemy in the final and they don't even look like they hurt about it. :banghead
Well I haven't slept right all pre season!
IMPOSTERS!
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Not imposters.
True duds
People just get sucked in by marketing
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Not imposters.
True duds
People just get sucked in by marketing
yep the jungle drums are beating but no ones home.
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Throw money at conca and let white walk.
At least he could run
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Maybe we can still get Mick.
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Nah. Were stuffed. Carl will smash us
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Malthouse v Hardwick is the biggest mismatch of all.
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Hardwick's game plan is the problem.
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LMAO good trolling boys, but good to see you sucked in some chicken littles.
Keep up the good work.
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Did miss Matty White type player in last nights game
Mmmmmm
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Hey Coach
Vickery#hack
I like that one. But we're not on twitter. I see many twits posting though
:lol :lol
Touche
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Hardwick's game plan is the problem.
it aint good
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Hardwick's game plan is the problem.
Our lack of class was the problem. You could see the talent potential of the Suns on display last night, where as the limitations of our list as it stands were pretty obvious to see. Vickery is very ordinary often, Griffiths got pushed off the ball early, though he got better until he got subbed. Astbury is a work in progress with a ? over him.
Our composure and delivery into the forward line was ordinary all night. Lots of poor chances, that's partly Hardwicks fault though because we played so slow at times that is was easy to fill the space in the forward line. Saying that we mostly scored better than them during that phase and when we opened up they killed us on the counter attack. If we're going to play Sydney 2005 tactics we have to do it all game and improve our closeness and tackle count. A 5 minute burst at the start of the game where you go down 20 points will kill us every time if your only going to score 80 pts.
The Suns are going to be awesome if they get 100 games avg into the list and manage to keep it on the park without injuries.
Swallow is a gun in the making.
Highlights for me was the emergence of McDonough and now my daughter wants me to go play playdough.
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the kicking to the forward pocket to win throw in is ugly and rubbish
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I wonder if Rawlings would come back if we put a good offer on the table
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Good thread facilitated by a fantastic OP
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Good thread facilitated by a fantastic OP
I could swear we had a similar one somewhere in the past
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Hardwick has always been a pathetic match day coach
and seriously training in heat chambers for a night game on the gold coast , what a bunch of tools
anyone with half a brain would have just made them train with footys caked in liquid detergent to make them slippery and greasy
Hardwick may be a nice guy, so was spud, both cannot coach.... should have chosen hinkley at the time when it was out of those 2
hindsight
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I wonder if Rawlings would come back if we put a good offer on the table
Yes Chucky , bring back the "blade" ....he would know what to do with Vickers .CHOP CHOP.
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I get that people are angry but let's not start throwing the deck chairs into the water.
Who was made to look like the biggest tool of 2013...Jeff Kennett .
You may recall he was demanding Clarksons head on a stick after rd 1 last year. Good one Jeff .
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and seriously training in heat chambers for a night game on the gold coast , what a bunch of tools
anyone with half a brain would have just made them train with footys caked in liquid detergent to make them slippery and greasy
Ridiculous - they've been training in a stuffing heat chamber all pre-season - it's called Summer in Melbourne.
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Our fwd line is crap.
Not only that, coach has no idea how to work with what he has.
Let's b honest, the club hasn't chased anyone of a1 quality, player or coach in over 20 years, just taken what's available.
It's surprising we're still a middle of the ladder team.
Punt road is a breeding ground of mediocrity.
Carlton will pump them thus week and ICGAF.
It's not worth investing emotion and passion in a dumb slut.
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I wish we had a hard working warrior up forward. Jay Schulz for Mitch Farmer was a good trade.
Sorry everyone.
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Did we have cotchin/Martin/lids at a centre bounce together, at any stage?
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I wish we had a hard working warrior up forward. Jay Schulz for Mitch Farmer was a good trade.
Sorry everyone.
Kingy works hard with what he's got.
A Edwards ALWAYS presents.
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Did we have cotchin/Martin/lids at a centre bounce together, at any stage?
No Don't think we did
And that's disgraceful
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Did we have cotchin/Martin/lids at a centre bounce together, at any stage?
Why would you put all your best players where the ball is? :gobdrop
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Hardwicks record is now 39 wins 50 losses
That should get him another 2 year extension
Pack of impostors at Punt Rd
Year by year what's his win record?
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Hardwicks record is now 39 wins 50 losses
That should get him another 2 year extension
Pack of impostors at Punt Rd
Year by year what's his win record?
Good question.
Obviously last year was his strongest.
By how much?
Probably a couple of wins.
Either way he's survived on good fortune, not literal improvement
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Hardwicks record is now 39 wins 50 losses
That should get him another 2 year extension
Pack of impostors at Punt Rd
Year by year what's his win record?
Good question.
Obviously last year was his strongest.
By how much?
Probably a couple of wins.
Either way he's survived on good fortune, not literal improvement
It's an improvement year on year
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Unless we finish 10th
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Have a look at teams that have gone from a rabble to a strong team, since the mid nineties.
Sydney, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Geelong, Fremantle,……
The one thing they all have in common is a massive pair of swingers.
Collingwood got Malthouse, Freo got Lyon, Sydney own trading and had Colless prepared to tell the AFL to shove it anytime he felt like it, Ditto Costa and Kennett.
If we had the plums we would have gone out and got Roos last year ourselves, not sat back and waited for Melbourne to blow past us in future.
What we need badly is a huge pair of big, hairy swingers and I can't see them coming from anyone in charge at the moment.
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We need to fk all the favorite sons and dumbass football people out of admin and hire
Corporate killers with big runs on the board that can make the tough decisions that idiots with diplomas clearly can't.
Let's face it,
There's no heart left in football, so why fight it.
It is about $$$ and without people that have a successful history In the corporate sector filling these positions we will continue to flounder and eventually die.
For once, be visionaries and stop treating the club like a mates BBQ.
Personally, I'm so over the RFC I find myself laughing at them.
Gone are the days where I got perplexed about being a team of losers.
Dwelling on the negatives has become a haven.
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Ill line up all the excuses we've seen around, in the end we got out coached/played
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Have a look at teams that have gone from a rabble to a strong team, since the mid nineties.
Sydney, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Geelong, Fremantle,……
The one thing they all have in common is a massive pair of swingers.
Collingwood got Malthouse, Freo got Lyon, Sydney own trading and had Colless prepared to tell the AFL to shove it anytime he felt like it, Ditto Costa and Kennett.
If we had the plums we would have gone out and got Roos last year ourselves, not sat back and waited for Melbourne to blow past us in future.
What we need badly is a huge pair of big, hairy swingers and I can't see them coming from anyone in charge at the moment.
Sydney have been heavily propped up by the AFL & COLA, Collingwood have money coming out of their arse, have always been regular finalists and have big end of town support and high-profile supporters,(something we've always lacked compared to other clubs, particularly the other 3 in the "Big 4") Fremantle share an entire state with just one other side and only really got their act together two years ago. None of these clubs would've been allowed to die by the AFL. Geelong are one team town, got lucky with Fathers and Sons and scooped a superdraft that got the ball rolling. Hawthorn's unmatched and relatively recent golden -era kept meant they never really lost their swagger and had a wealth of still young quality football people to draw on...also seem to have high-profile supporters...which is not without it's value.
I agree however that we still appear amateur & too "nice" in a lot of ways and that we don't stand up to the AFL, other clubs and the media enough. At least not publicly.
We do need to be more ruthless - I think the club is psyched out by the whole "Eat their Own" myth the media & football world constantly exaggerate & reinforce. They basically just like to troll us about it and the club and supporters believe it and it causes us to always second guess ourselves and over-compensate. Also think we tend to be too scared of getting our players off-side and risking team morale - especially good players because we've had such a dearth of them, so we mollycoddle & indulge the core playing group for fear of losing them. We hang on to spuds and keep selecting them because they're "popular" , "good blokes" or "well liked around the club". Nevermind if they're not actually very good footballers.
Fact is we've has three coaches in 15 years (not counting Rawlings) - all have coached for half a decade, made it deep into the last year of their first contracts and the current one has had his extended. Hardly the stuff of "eat their own" legend.
On a semi-related note: I often think of how key moments can shape things and wonder how thing might've turned out if in that last match of Hardwick's first year v Port at Docklands - Cousins' farewell - Troy Taylor's goal to put is in front had been allowed like it should've been.
We go on to win, coming back from 10 goals down, Taylor the hero, 7 wins after losing the first 10.
Taylor stays, becomes that X-factor we lack, team gets huge belief after miracle victory....who knows. Like I said...key moments...or "sliding doors" as the kids say.
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If Taylor won us that game he would have asked for 3 houses and a Ferrari
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Calmed down now.
Provided we win against Carlsuck and vickysuefoleyconca are demoted
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LMAO OX :cheers
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LMAO OX :cheers
Who am I kidding.
I'm addicted to this rubbish up the arse.
Amusingly I believed I no longer gave an Edgar Brit.
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LMAO OX :cheers
Who am I kidding.
I'm addicted to this rubbish up the arse.
Amusingly I believed I no longer gave an Edgar Brit.
Back up the dozer big man.
Everyone gives a Brad Pitt
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Dimma's ok but Ken Hinkley is a gun. Port have based their game on gut running and ultra discliplined defense. That's the way to achieve success in the AFL. We don't do that.
Did we get it right choosing Dimma ahead of Hinkley ? I guess we weren't to know that defending wouldn't be a high priority under Dimma's gameplan ?
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I think Poort are a fairly crap defensive side
Their run keeps them in games
We schooled them easily last year on their home deck
"It's fraught with danger to look at one game and make assessment as to where we need to improve,"
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I think Poort are a fairly crap defensive side
Their run keeps them in games
We schooled them easily last year on their home deck
"It's fraught with danger to look at one game and make assessment as to where we need to improve,"
True Gerk. I know it's only round 1 but we do leak goals in bursts. Happened all last year. Teams don't kick one or two before we respond. They kick 5, 6 or 7.
I'm ok with Dimma for now but I love what Hinkley's been able to do. Port were an absolute basket case when he got there. They were getting beaten by 150+ points in some games under Primus. Was he that bad or is Hinkley that good ? They'll be a good side again this year. Top 8 certs I reckon. Maybe top 4 ?
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Primus was pretty bad and the club had become toxic, but Hinkley is good and he has inherited a talented crop and stable back room.
They should make the 8 again. They got swag.
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Primus was worse than bad. Not his fault he was chosen as coach though. Port are in a bit of strife if Westhoff or Schulz go down. They'd still be a decent side but they need those two kicking about.
I reckon we should get Studley involved at Richmond. Give him a job.
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FHO, sick of this idiot just sitting back letting th is happen every bloody year
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FHO, sick of this idiot just sitting back letting th is happen every bloody year
Great call
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If they'd have kicked straight different result.
While he sits back staring into space
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If they'd have kicked straight different result.
While he sits back staring into space
Keep moaning while the rest of us celebrate a win, very impressive
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Definitely let off the hook. They missed almost everything in front of goal. Definitely got outcoached in the 2nd half. Not to mention this is a Carlton squad with no Judd, Kruezer, and Walker. Would've went down in a horrible fashion had they been at full strength with the way we played tonight
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Mick watches the game unfold, sees where they're losing it, plugs the holes and they work us over. We just stay in the same gear and hope to win. Dimma setup is and prepared better but got smashed in the coaches box on game day again.
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Hard wick doesn't often win the tactical battle
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I don't think Dimma is to blame here .Not sure if Chocco is in the box with Dimma but if he is then Dimma has a shoulder to lean on who is very good in this area .so maybe the issue falls back on the players and what happens between their ears
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Nah Choco isn't in the box, he's on the pine revving up the boys and sticking to his development coach role. Personally feel we are under utilising his talents, but he seems happy so who am I to judge?
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Playing favourites will eventually be his downfall
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so mick mildew doesn't play favourites? eg daisy
all coaches play favourites as all humans do
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what rubbish Carlton were playing their hardest & had the umpires all night. WE WON against a desperate side. Confidence will come from this win. The players will rise :gotigers
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Backline is weak as pee
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what rubbish Carlton were playing their hardest & had the umpires all night. WE WON against a desperate side. Confidence will come from this win. The players will rise :gotigers
FFS even Tigermonk can see it
It was a gutsy win and last year we would have lost it
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what rubbish Carlton were playing their hardest & had the umpires all night. WE WON against a desperate side. Confidence will come from this win. The players will rise :gotigers
Need more positivity like this.
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Fact...We won, fact......We don't work hard enough when one on one, have to improve in that area as other coaches will be quick to exploit our Achilles heel, watch the Bulldogs try it next week.
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I think the coaches role is often overplayed match day, it really is more down to the players.
The funny thing is that many people dont want players to be verstaile. they moan and bitch about when a forward get moved down back etc, but then moan that the coach doesn't do enough match day.
Do they expect hardwick to only play players in one position, but then change them into another position when things are not going well and it will be a match winning move?
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Backline is weak as pee
RanceAlex for Chaplin
Grimes Astbury tross. Would at least be more athletic
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Rance is a big loss for us as we saw last night. Rance missing put Chaplin and Grimes and the other defenders under more pressure in defence. He may have his detractors but Rance is an important part of the RFC lineup as for Hardwick - dont know what he can do when the players basically stop running and presenting. The players are at fault here not Hardwick.
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Chaplin didn't have a single goal kicked on him last night
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Chaplin didn't have a single goal kicked on him last night
he was very very average in general play and coughed up the ball, missed marks and in some contests was no where near it. 4/10 last night.
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he was very very average in general play and coughed up the ball, missed marks and in some contests was no where near it. 4/10 last night.
Bit harsh :huh He made a few mistakes but was solid enough I thought. At least his opponent did no damage. That's half the battle. Anyhow here is the best players list from the AFL website.
Richmond best: Cotchin, Ellis, Martin, Vickery, Chaplin, Thomas, Astbury
Sounds about right to me :thumbsup
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The only way to stop what Carlton were doing in the second half is win the contested ball. The players failed until the last 5 minutes. If Hardwick employs a flood the nuffers scream stop trying to save the game.
Thankfully we are only mentally weak against Carlton, Collingwood and Norf and they wont make finals ;D
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The only way to stop what Carlton were doing in the second half is win the contested ball. The players failed until the last 5 minutes. If Hardwick employs a flood the nuffers scream stop trying to save the game.
Thankfully we are only mentally weak against Carlton, Collingwood and Norf and they wont make finals ;D
:lol :lol
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Dimma stated in his press conference that, in the last quarter, the fatigued players began to move away from the game plan and kick the ball high and long to a contest rather than spotting up a target. This was not Dimmas fault.
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he was very very average in general play and coughed up the ball, missed marks and in some contests was no where near it. 4/10 last night.
Bit harsh :huh He made a few mistakes but was solid enough I thought. At least his opponent did no damage. That's half the battle. Anyhow here is the best players list from the AFL website.
Richmond best: Cotchin, Ellis, Martin, Vickery, Chaplin, Thomas, Astbury
Sounds about right to me :thumbsup
For me the best players from best contribution to least
Cotchin, Thomas, Ellis, Griffith, and you can arrange the last 3 slots in any particular order.
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Dimma stated in his press conference that, in the last quarter, the fatigued players began to move away from the game plan and kick the ball high and long to a contest rather than spotting up a target. This was not Dimmas fault.
Fitness staff are crap just quietly :shh
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If they'd have kicked straight different result.
While he sits back staring into space
If we kicked straight we would of won by more. No point changing the circumstances
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Carlton don't have a forward line.
Waite has his once a year cameo against us.
We can never stop any decent Indigenous player so all those fellows usually have a good 10 minute burst that kill us.
We are too soft and need to harden up.
And the one of our biggest problems to our team is the glaring lack of leaders that stand up to lead the team when things aren't going to plan.
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Chaplin didn't have a single goal kicked on him last night
Can you tell me the players he played on? Certainly wasn't with Henderson all night. Why wasn't he on Jarrad Waite when the game was on the line? That's what Chaplin was recruited for wasn't it, to play on the monsters?
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Chaplin had no goals kicked on him cause he was a loose man
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Chaplin didn't have a single goal kicked on him last night
Can you tell me the players he played on? Certainly wasn't with Henderson all night. Why wasn't he on Jarrad Waite when the game was on the line? That's what Chaplin was recruited for wasn't it, to play on the monsters?
Assberry beat Waite. No need to put Chappy on someone a beginner can beat. :shh :lol
Yes I'm taking the pee
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Chaplin had no goals kicked on him cause he was a loose man
;)
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Petterd is a better 3rd man up than Chaplin, at least he impacts the contest
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Best Players were clearly Thomas, Martin, Griffiths, Hampson, Cotchin,
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Best Players were clearly Thomas, Martin, Griffiths, Hampson, Cotchin,
cant disagree with that. :gotigers
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Why wasn't he on Jarrad Waite when the game was on the line? That's what Chaplin was recruited for wasn't it, to play on the monsters?
Bit of a myth that one Coach. Although I recall that's what the club was spruiking him as when we recruited him. Like Dustin Fletcher, he will never take the big key fwd.
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Myth? As you said, the club was talking him up as the saviour who would free Rance up. 90% of this website thought we had recruited Mal Michael in his prime. We've recruited Ray Hall without the heart
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Myth? As you said, the club was talking him up as the saviour who would free Rance up. 90% of this website thought we had recruited Mal Michael in his prime. We've recruited Ray Hall without the heart
:thumbsup :rollin ;D
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Chaplin is a general down there and a key part of the backline.
And a good bloke.
Leave him alone. All of you.
All of you.
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Carlton don't have a forward line.
Waite has his once a year cameo against us.
We can never stop any decent Indigenous player so all those fellows usually have a good 10 minute burst that kill us.
We are too soft and need to harden up.
And the one of our biggest problems to our team is the glaring lack of leaders that stand up to lead the team when things aren't going to plan.
gotta agree on all points.
what people have to realise is they went in short of talls. our tall defenders werent going to get it much easier than it was.
all game malthouse was torn between playing rowe and henderson forward and back trying to find a decent balance.
my own point of view i thought chaplin pretty ordinary. my opinion of him he should be capable of playing 1v1 imo this is the only role he should be playing. go to and shut out of the game the oppositions monster key forward, if he cant do this he should not be getting a game. we were lucky last night in the fact carlton didnt have the personell on the park to take advantage.
on carlton i think they have some real serious issues with talls list wise. they are screaming out for two or 3 kpp size forwards and 2 or 3 kpp size defenders on their list. for both now and to develop.they could also do with a good junior ruckman or two.
as far as genuine kpp size players to come into their side they only have casboult,watson and kruezer. plus a couple of third tall flanker types in walker and mcinnes. id say when all is going right with them all 5 would probably be playing.
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Best Players were clearly Thomas, Martin, Griffiths, Hampson, Cotchin,
Ellis deserves to be there. Great job curtailing Gibbs and kicked a couple of brilliant goals of his own.
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The decision to play Ellis on Gibbs was a good one and should be applauded. Ellis did a good job. Astbury should have been included in the best
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The decision to play Ellis on Gibbs was a good one and should be applauded. Ellis did a good job. Astbury should have been included in the best
Also the decision to have Dusty isolated in the goal square in the last few minutes of the game
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Let's just keep a coach for more than 5 years hey.
All of our flags (except 1980) were won under coaches that served for more than 5 years.
Richmond and the majority of it's supporters, have always had the same attitude, oh crap we lost another game "SACK THE COACH, IT'S ALL THE COACHES FAULT S A C K H I M".
A friggin disgrace for the past 30 years, and people still don't get it FFS :banghead :banghead :banghead
Dimma's the best coach we've had in the past 30 years and people are saying sack him >:(
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Not even close to being the best coach we've had.
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Let's just keep a coach for more than 5 years hey.
All of our flags (except 1980) were won under coaches that served for more than 5 years.
Richmond and the majority of it's supporters, have always had the same attitude, oh crap we lost another game "SACK THE COACH, IT'S ALL THE COACHES FAULT S A C K H I M".
A friggin disgrace for the past 30 years, and people still don't get it FFS :banghead :banghead :banghead
Dimma's the best coach we've had in the past 30 years and people are saying sack him >:(
Swooper called. Pls call him back
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About time you wrote something good, Dooks. I forgive you
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The decision to play Ellis on Gibbs was a good one and should be applauded. Ellis did a good job. Astbury should have been included in the best
Also the decision to have Dusty isolated in the goal square in the last few minutes of the game
totally Agree. Martin was the perfect choice to be left isolated in the forwardline. He has the x factor that we so badly need and showed it when it was most needed.
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About time you wrote something good, Dooks. I forgive you
:lol :thumbsup
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Id go so far as to say, tactically speaking, Wallace was better than hardwick is
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Id go so far as to say, tactically speaking, Wallace was better than hardwick is
Yeah I truly agree, wallace was a great coach, but his style of coaching just didn't suit the players, and the personal side effects between him and the players wasn't real flash either. What ever issues there were between the players and himself is something that we will never know, but it just didn't work.
May have been the best coach, just not for Richmond at the time.
Mind you though and I didn't think when I was typing before, because I was a bit angry and don't want to change coaches anymore, that Jeff Gieschen was probably one of the best coaches in the past 30 years and what he tried to do for Richmond back in the mid nineties (I think it was). When he sacked a heap of Tiger officials (board members I think?) because they were all drunk in the members box during a game, something like that anyway.
This was what I thought was going to be a defining moment at Tigerland and that we might start winning games, especially when he was appointed coach.
So I do apologise for saying Dimma was the best coach in the past 30 years, I wasn't trolling or any dumb crap like that, but as I said we just need to keep a good coach and Dimma is just that, a good coach.
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wallace was a great coach
:lol
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Champagne comedy guys keep up the laughs
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What's the point of this thread?
IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN GUYS!
If he is our coach, support him with constructive criticism.
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What's the point of this thread?
IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN GUYS!
If he is our coach, support him with constructive criticism.
Finally somebody some sense :clapping
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Champagne comedy guys keep up the laughs
Glad to be of service :lol :dancing :highclap :dogdance :highfive
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Richmond and the majority of it's supporters, have always had the same attitude, oh crap we lost another game "SACK THE COACH, IT'S ALL THE COACHES FAULT S A C K H I M".
A friggin disgrace for the past 30 years, and people still don't get it FFS :banghead :banghead :banghead
Remind me, when was the last time we sacked a coach? And how many clubs have sacked coaches since then?
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Wow wee haven't visited here for ages, top of the pops is this old chestnut.
coming from the same voices of reason, had the best laugh tonight.
Good on ya Dimma hope you stick it right up them.
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Richmond and the majority of it's supporters, have always had the same attitude, oh crap we lost another game "SACK THE COACH, IT'S ALL THE COACHES FAULT S A C K H I M".
A friggin disgrace for the past 30 years, and people still don't get it FFS :banghead :banghead :banghead
Remind me, when was the last time we sacked a coach? And how many clubs have sacked coaches since then?
Remind you of what, when people say sack the coach? ok kool next time another dumb thread comes along and says SACK THE COACH, I'll send you a message.
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Good to see you still about rogerd3.
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Wow wee haven't visited here for ages, top of the pops is this old chestnut.
coming from the same voices of reason, had the best laugh tonight.
Good on ya Dimma hope you stick it right up them.
You should see the reaction when we actually lose the game
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Wow wee haven't visited here for ages, top of the pops is this old chestnut.
coming from the same voices of reason, had the best laugh tonight.
Good on ya Dimma hope you stick it right up them.
Good to see you rog
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Just bumping this
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Just bumping this
Good Idea :lol
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He really needs to swing the axe next week, if he doesn't he will be doing what Wallace did and hanging onto the players that he thinks will come good, at his peril.
He needs to make some bold changes and stick with the players he brings in, the Arnott's, Lloyds, Elton's and a few others.
The Newman's, Edwards, Big O's, Grigg's and the like need to go, maybe not so much Grigg but the rest are finished.
We need the X factor players that want to have a crack, look at Gordon today, really went for it and won!!
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We need to headhunt a better coach. Plain and simple. Go out and do what Freo did
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Bomber wont say no a second time
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It would be either Choco or Worsfold for me, maybe Bomber Thompson, but I don't think he wants a bar of the Tigers.
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Bomber wont say no a second time
Agree with this but how we gonna fund Hardwick getting the arse. A sponsor needs to come forward and payhim out and then we have to wait to see Essendon bring their love child back and tell bomber that he no longer has a job.
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Bomber wont say no a second time
Agree with this but how we gonna fund Hardwick getting the arse. A sponsor needs to come forward and payhim out and then we have to wait to see Essendon bring their love child back and tell bomber that he no longer has a job.
Bomber can walk anytime he wants, I bet he put that is his temp contract too.
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Bomber wont say no a second time
Agree with this but how we gonna fund Hardwick getting the arse. A sponsor needs to come forward and payhim out and then we have to wait to see Essendon bring their love child back and tell bomber that he no longer has a job.
FTF :shh
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Let Choco coach for a Few matches, Damian.
He once coached a team to a premiership, u know?
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Let Choco coach for a Few matches, Damian.
He once coached a team to a premiership, u know?
Nah cant have him in the box, under utilise him on the bench geeing young blokes up
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He really needs to swing the axe next week, if he doesn't he will be doing what Wallace did and hanging onto the players that he thinks will come good, at his peril.
He needs to make some bold changes and stick with the players he brings in, the Arnott's, Lloyds, Elton's and a few others.
The Newman's, Edwards, Big O's, Grigg's and the like need to go, maybe not so much Grigg but the rest are finished.
We need the X factor players that want to have a crack, look at Gordon today, really went for it and won!!
Selection policy is concerning
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Edwards?
Did you see the game WAT? Or just hanging your old mate because we lost?
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Can't swing the axe if you haven't got one
All Bark no Bite is our Dimma
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Can't swing the axe if you haven't got one
All Bark no Bite is our Dimma
Who are comma favourite boys?
Houli
Grigg
Petard
Foley?
Thomas?
Jackson?
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Get rid of Big O LMAO, he is only in because our first two options are down
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Get rid of Big O LMAO, he is only in because our first two options are down
Stephenson =/= Hamspud.
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Minson 55 hitouts lol
Would have been better off going in a tall short against them.
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Get rid of Big O LMAO, he is only in because our first two options are down
Stephenson > Hamspud.
Stephenson certainly wasn't our worst today. Won his fair share of hitouts and even got involved a bit around the ground but our mids were bloody woeful for a fair bit of the game and couldn't get a decent clearance in the first half to save their lives. Even Griff was getting plenty of tapouts but they slaughtered us around the ball-ups for much of the game.
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Get rid of Big O LMAO, he is only in because our first two options are down
Stephenson > Hamspud.
Stephenson certainly wasn't our worst today. Won his fair share of hitouts and even got involved a bit around the ground but our mids were bloody woeful for a fair bit of the game and couldn't get a decent clearance in the first half to save their lives. Even Griff was getting plenty of tapouts but they slaughtered us around the ball-ups for much of the game.
Apart from Cotch we suck at clearances
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Get rid of Big O LMAO, he is only in because our first two options are down
Stephenson > Hamspud.
Stephenson certainly wasn't our worst today. Won his fair share of hitouts and even got involved a bit around the ground but our mids were bloody woeful for a fair bit of the game and couldn't get a decent clearance in the first half to save their lives. Even Griff was getting plenty of tapouts but they slaughtered us around the ball-ups for much of the game.
Adjusted my post but I agree. At least he offers some kind of presence around the ground.
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Edwards?
Did you see the game WAT? Or just hanging your old mate because we lost?
Coach your a smart lad I know you don't believe that spud is worth a packet a twisties
One good give to grigg and that's it
Alongside newman he is the most useless in our side
Watch Elliot last night for pies. Similar height and watch how he goes about it or even Paul PuP.
I'm convinced he is tickling dimmas date hence the weekly inclusion
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We've signed Hardwick for 2 more seasons after this one. He won't be sacked.
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We've signed Hardwick for 2 more seasons after this one. He won't be sacked.
:yep
At least while Benny Gale is there ;D
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Let's revisit this in April 2015, not any sooner
No finals this year his a dead man walking and will be finished as a senior coach
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We've signed Hardwick for 2 more seasons after this one. He won't be sacked.
:yep
At least while Benny Gale is there ;D
Are you suggesting Benny will be packing up and leaving Punt Rd for AFL house? ;)
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We've signed Hardwick for 2 more seasons after this one. He won't be sacked.
:yep
At least while Benny Gale is there ;D
Are you suggesting Benny will be packing up and leaving Punt Rd for AFL house? ;)
Who knows, would think they'd have a look at him but I still reckon Gill Mc will get that gig
but as long as Benny is at the RFC Dimma is as safe as houses because the Board goes with what Benny wants (IMVHO if it's ok for me to have one ;D)
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We've signed Hardwick for 2 more seasons after this one. He won't be sacked.
:yep
At least while Benny Gale is there ;D
Are you suggesting Benny will be packing up and leaving Punt Rd for AFL house? ;)
Who knows, would think they'd have a look at him but I still reckon Gill Mc will get that gig
but as long as Benny is at the RFC Dimma is as safe as houses because the Board goes with what Benny wants (IMVHO if it's ok for me to have one ;D)
Absolutely that's why we're here. :thumbsup
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Sure about that ;D
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Sure about that ;D
Don't shoot the messenger WP nor preach to the converted. :thumbsup
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Edwards?
Did you see the game WAT? Or just hanging your old mate because we lost?
His lookaway handpass in the dying minutes cost us the game.
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Edwards?
Did you see the game WAT? Or just hanging your old mate because we lost?
His lookaway handpass in the dying minutes cost us the game.
Ellis and his inability to back himself and take the mark when he had position comes close as well
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Edwards?
Did you see the game WAT? Or just hanging your old mate because we lost?
His lookaway handpass in the dying minutes cost us the game.
Ellis and his inability to back himself and take the mark when he had position comes close as well
He pooed his pants Chucky. That's why he didn't look at the ball.
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Let's revisit this in April 2015, not any sooner
No finals this year his a dead man walking and will be finished as a senior coach
He may as well walk now then.
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Edwards?
Did you see the game WAT? Or just hanging your old mate because we lost?
His lookaway handpass in the dying minutes cost us the game.
Ellis and his inability to back himself and take the mark when he had position comes close as well
Agree Chucky. Ellis crapped his daks big time. But the ball wouldn't even have found its' way down to him if Edwards hadn't coughed it up with his cutesy handball when we had it in our forward fifty and should have goaled and iced the game.
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Edwards?
Did you see the game WAT? Or just hanging your old mate because we lost?
His lookaway handpass in the dying minutes cost us the game.
Our attitude for the 1st half cost us the game, no isolated incident near the end.
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You obviously didn't see Edwards handball
Under 10,a stuff
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I saw it quite well thanks Jack, just like I saw Ellis' crap attempt at non-marking/tackling and Cotchin's p-poor decision to pass but the only fact of it all is that our attitude for the 1st half cost us the game. You can't isolate a single decision or action as the sole culprit because by it's nature a different decision or action then implies a complete change of the following decisions and actions. It's not possible to say what would have happened if Cotchin kicks the goal or Ellis marks the ball as the Dogs might just have easily scored from an ensuing play but what you can say as an absolutely irrefutable 100% accurate fact is that if we had applied ourselves to the whole game they way we did the 2nd half we would have won and won easily. A 12 goals to 6 second half tells you we were better than them when we applied ourselves but as others have pointed out, for 2014 we seem to think that this sort of application is only necessary for half a game.
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Edwards?
Did you see the game WAT? Or just hanging your old mate because we lost?
His lookaway handpass in the dying minutes cost us the game.
Ellis and his inability to back himself and take the mark when he had position comes close as well
Why is the coach got Ellis at full back in the dying stages
Awful match up
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Edwards?
Did you see the game WAT? Or just hanging your old mate because we lost?
Coach your a smart lad I know you don't believe that spud is worth a packet a twisties
One good give to grigg and that's it
Alongside newman he is the most useless in our side
Watch Elliot last night for pies. Similar height and watch how he goes about it or even Paul PuP.
I'm convinced he is tickling dimmas date hence the weekly inclusion
Not saying I rate the kid. Far from it, he was about as useful as t!ts on a bull. Just not sure if WAT saw the game going by a couple of posts in the game day thread. Always dangerous bagging blokes when you haven't seen the game.
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With 2 minutes to go where were our numbers behind the ball? How could you let Gia isolated with Ellis. He was never going to win that battle against an experienced forward who had a full tank of energy vs Ellis who had played 4 full qtrs of football.
Hardwick said at the start of his coaching tenure that if you lose by 100 points its a player problem. You don't lose by 100 points when you have good players on the park. If you lose by under 2-3 goals its a coaching problem, a match up change here or a different tactic there probably decided the game.
Last year:
R5 Lost to Freo by 1 point
R16 Lost to GC by 9 points
R22 Lost to Carlton by 10 points
EF Lost to Carlton by 18 points
Win any of those 3 games last year and we make top 4...
This year:
R1 Lost to GC by 10 points
R3 Lost to WB by 2 points
We can't make top 4 after that start 2 games you need to win to get top 4. We may make finals this year and Dimma has done a good job in getting the club where it is but I can't see us going to the next level under Hardwick unless things change. Personally would prefer to see things change rather than a new coach but it needs to happen soon.
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I'm off Dimma.
It's Chocco time.
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If we're giving the ass to Dimma then I'd hope we'd find someone better than Choco to replace him. Let's not forget the position he put Port Adelaide in.
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If we backup and make finals this year, I'll be rapt and he will have done his job. But we're making a meal of it atm. Really needed a good start this season
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If we're giving the ass to Dimma then I'd hope we'd find someone better than Choco to replace him. Let's not forget the position he put Port Adelaide in.
With a flag and a runner up?
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If we're giving the ass to Dimma then I'd hope we'd find someone better than Choco to replace him. Let's not forget the position he put Port Adelaide in.
With a flag and a runner up?
Pull your head in, guy. You would have called for his sacking after all the choking he did. One flag, should have had 4. Runner up yep....119 point defeat. Why did they sack him? He was a great coach back in the day. Clearly lost the plot and almost ruined that football club.
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If we're giving the ass to Dimma then I'd hope we'd find someone better than Choco to replace him. Let's not forget the position he put Port Adelaide in.
With a flag and a runner up?
Pull your head in, guy. You would have called for his sacking after all the choking he did. One flag, should have had 4. Runner up yep....119 point defeat. Why did they sack him? He was a great coach back in the day. Clearly lost the plot and almost ruined that football club.
Hey, stop whacking posters around the head with your big member.. :lol :thumbsup
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I saw it quite well thanks Jack, just like I saw Ellis' crap attempt at non-marking/tackling and Cotchin's p-poor decision to pass but the only fact of it all is that our attitude for the 1st half cost us the game. You can't isolate a single decision or action as the sole culprit because by it's nature a different decision or action then implies a complete change of the following decisions and actions. It's not possible to say what would have happened if Cotchin kicks the goal or Ellis marks the ball as the Dogs might just have easily scored from an ensuing play but what you can say as an absolutely irrefutable 100% accurate fact is that if we had applied ourselves to the whole game they way we did the 2nd half we would have won and won easily. A 12 goals to 6 second half tells you we were better than them when we applied ourselves but as others have pointed out, for 2014 we seem to think that this sort of application is only necessary for half a game.
I was as frustrated and disappointed with that first half as you were Smokey. You should have heard the spray I gave them as they were coming off the ground at half time. But despite all that, ultimately we were in a position to win it with a four point lead and two minutes on the clock. We were deep in our forward line, and Edwards coughed up the ball by being too cute. If he hadn't failed to execute his skills properly we would have kicked a goal and put the result beyond doubt, denying them the time to kick the two goals necessary to steal it. E
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Is the club under utilising youth?
Mcintosh
McBean
Lennon
Lloyd
Lennon
McDonuts
Gordon
Arnot
Elton
Miles
Helbig
Dea
Bachelor
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think you answered your own question there JR
under utilising Youth and talent
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Mark Williams is not the answer. Half the reasons he got the arse from Port were the same ones we're bagging Hardwick for - playing favourites/conservative selections/holding back kids, gameplan past it's use by date.
Actually - is it more than just a coincidence Hardwick's selections have become more conservative since he arrival of his former mentor?
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To many favorites in the team and dimma needs to cut this out and play players on there performance.For some reason we a playing like a team that's scared to take the game on and take risks and worry about team first mentality to much.That's coming from Dimma and his game plan.Players playing out of position to.
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He's suppressing individuality and stifling natural abilities
Development has peaked under him.
It's his way......
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before the year is out Id like to see this type of team being given a decent opportunity
Morris Rance Dea
Helbig (Grimes or Astbury) Ellis
Miles Martin Gordon
(Knights or McDonough) Griffiths Vlastuin
(Lloyd or McBean) Riewoldt Conca
Maric Deledio Cotchin
Lennon Arnott (Hampson or Vickery) Jackson
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All coaches play favourites....it doesn't matter who we get as coach he will have his favourites,and we at some point wont like it
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All coaches play favourites....it doesn't matter who we get as coach he will have his favourites,and we at some point wont like it
Yes they all do to varying degrees but it becomes a problem when the selections are clearly not working and those favourites are clearly not up to it.
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He probably blames himself for trying them in positions they can't play. Meh
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Use all our funds.
Pay out Hardwick
Offer Bomber anything he wants.
Maybe he'll be the one that cleans out the stench of mediocrity from punt road.
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the fighting tiger fund mkII pay out hardwick give 120%
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Use all our funds.
Pay out Hardwick
Offer Bomber anything he wants.
Maybe he'll be the one that cleans out the stench of mediocrity from punt road.
agree
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We could just out some hexadrelin in his fridge
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Malthouse ain't going to well either ATM. :shh
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Malthouse ain't going to well either ATM. :shh
As much pain we are in and I am pooty with how we are going, the Blues issues are my one little ray of sunshine
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Malt house would make a grand final with our list
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Imagine if we had got Hinckley in 2009
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I do - regularly
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Malt house would make a grand final with our list
I thought most were saying our list is poo?
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Malt house would make a grand final with our list
I thought most were saying our list is poo?
It is but so was Collingwood's in 2002/03
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Malt house would make a grand final with our list
I thought most were saying our list is poo?
It is but so was Collingwood's in 2002/03
Gee. Carlton's list must be really poopy if that's the case!
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Malt house would make a grand final with our list
I thought most were saying our list is poo?
It is but so was Collingwood's in 2002/03
Gee. Carlton's list must be really poopy if that's the case!
It really is. Carlton fans are just realising. Popcorn.gif :lol
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Use all our funds.
Pay out Hardwick
Offer Bomber anything he wants.
Maybe he'll be the one that cleans out the stench of mediocrity from punt road.
Agree!
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Concur
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Concur
Hardwick OUT
Thompson IN ...
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Concur
Hardwick OUT
Thompson IN ...
Ain't going to happen
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Concur
Hardwick OUT
Thompson IN ...
Ain't going to happen
Agree. Bomber will be coaching Essendon for years to come.
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Our next coach will be either Ayers or Knights ...you watch.
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I'd say we already have a Roos/Longmire succession style plan for Hardwick and the poo Mark Williams.
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Our next coach will be either Ayers or Knights ...you watch.
Ayers has not been in the system since 2004.
With all money given to FTF if Hardwick got the heave ho early its big fish or watch the membership tally tumble to Nought and Bulldog levels.
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I have to admit that Dimma needs to be more aggressive.
In the old days, a player who stuffs up on field pretty badly would be dragged, and this is still the same for todays footy.
The difference from then to now is, when you were dragged back then, YOU GOT DRAGGED and it meant that you may not go back on for some time, and probably a stint in the reserves the following week.
Apart from getting an ear full from the coach, opposition ground players, gave it to a dragged player as well.
All in all, dragging a player made players take responsibility for their actions at every moment of the game.
Dimma needs to take this approach as well, instead of giving a dragged player a pep talk then sending them out again, just to do the same old poo over again.
He also needs to send players back to the magoos and not give a poo who it is.
Sheedy use to do it, Malthouse use to as well.
Pagan was ruthless for it, but it doesn't happen anywhere near as much as what it should (other coaches as well that I can't think of off hand).
So Dimma, if ya listening, balls up buddy and make some really hard calls.
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Sounds like a chapter from the mark Neeld coaching manual :lol
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Our next coach will be either Ayers or Knights ...you watch.
Ayers has not been in the system since 2004.
With all money given to FTF if Hardwick got the heave ho early its big fish or watch the membership tally tumble to Nought and Bulldog levels.
There's no big names available though, unless we target some over the hill big name who hasn't coached for years, like Matthews, which would be disasterous.
Sounds like a chapter from the mark Neeld coaching manual :lol
Neeld didn't drag players for long periods, no coach does these days - he just dropped them and blamed the side in general at press conferences.
In fact Hardwick's the only current AFL coach who's actually pulled the modern equivalent of a humiliating permadrag when he subbed Webberly in Cairns before half-time.
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Worsfold is one that comes to mind Diocletan. Premiership coach resting up may be ready in 2015/16 if our worries become more prevalent.
Bomber is another one if Hird manages to keep his job.
Chocco could easily replace Dimma.
Then there is Eade.
Three of those four Premiership coaches and still relatively young.
Long way away though folks. Lets saddle up Friday night and see what transpires. :thumbsup
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Wasn't tommy hafey the opposite?...he wouldn't drag players but rather give them the opportunity to make amends and beat their man.
I reckon this is also a sound policy too
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Worsfold is one that comes to mind Diocletan. Premiership coach resting up may be ready in 2015/16 if our worries become more prevalent.
Bomber is another one if Hird manages to keep his job.
Chocco could easily replace Dimma.
Then there is Eade.
Three of those four Premiership coaches and still relatively young.
Long way away though folks. Lets saddle up Friday night and see what transpires. :thumbsup
Worsfold's massively overrated IMO - burnt out and past it anyway.
Thompson no chance.
William's is not the long term answer, caretaker maybe.
Should've got Eade instead of Wallace, but he's tenure at Footscray mirrors Wallace's at that same club in many ways and he ended poorly at Sydney too. Pass.
Still reckon Knights is next in line. Be afraid, be very afraid.
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See ya Hardwick. You aren't learning from your mistakes. Dud.
Useless at tactical game play. Money ball Draft crap. Pathetic team selections.. wet weather footy and 3 KP forwards over 195cm... what a joke.
Sick of softness.
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See ya Hardwick. You aren't learning from your mistakes. Dud.
Useless at tactical game play. Money ball Draft crap. Pathetic team selections.. wet weather footy and 3 KP forwards over 195cm... what a joke.
Sick of softness.
Couldnt agree more, he is a goner. He did well to get us where we are, but he cant take us any further.
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Nick Maxwell has been a sweeper for the last 10 years. How can we not have a plan to counter act his rebound.
Digusting....
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"See ya Hardwick. You aren't learning from your mistakes. Dud.
Useless at tactical game play. Money ball Draft crap. Pathetic team selections.. wet weather footy and 3 KP forwards over 195cm... what a joke.
Sick of softness."
exactly
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This guy is a gerkin, he's a liar and a pretender.
He said he was going to make us a consistant finals team.
rubbish.
He said he knew what it takes to be successful.
rubbish.
It's Richmond your coaching you moron.
The worst performed team in the nation over 30 years.
You can't approach it the same.
First thing that should of been done is to clean out the virus of mediocrity.
It's a patch up job. Dimma's reading from Wallets coaching handbook.
It's a fail.
We will be rebuilding soon.
Claw was right all along. I saw the light when this bunch of wannabe duds couldn't even beat the 9th place team in a final and allowed them to get there in the first place.
You don't celebrate a finals berth when your pants are pulled down by a team that didn't deserve to be there. What a joke.
Pretenders! And the coach is a pretender, he's been infected by the virus too.
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Dimma, FFS I do not want to hear we lead this and that in the stats, just admit we are shiitte and be on with it!
You going to have to play JACK at Ful Forward now mate!!!!!!
Fffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk................
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What ever pre season program me we have done it's been awful.
Nowhere near fit enough. Get out run in every contest. Footy is a rolling bunch of players and our players are always rolling behind..
Our season is over. Anyone that disagrees is sadly delusional. Why we didn't Draft a blue chip player is beyond me.. The b grade Draft policy has been awful
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Lost me
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Grigg in the centre bounce
Gee whiz
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Gee whizz. We are great we made the finals. Wow wee!!!!
Yippee yippee. Yay Wowsers.
We will walk into the grand final this year.
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they are so desperate its becoming comical. Its over folks. 4 years down the drain. The rebuild has failed. We have to start again with new kids.
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What ever they have changed this preseason has made us backwards we a not fit and havent got that run abd carry fitness staff should be sacked.Gameplan is awfull were back to ur own ways turning over the ball،panicking،basic skill errors.Our skills have gone backwards bigtime.
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Wth Cambo doing his apprenticeship as the umpires coach, he ll be cherry ripe to take over :shh
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Wth Cambo doing his apprenticeship as the umpires coach, he ll be cherry ripe to take over :shh
You'd wanna get up pal
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In his pressed he said colonwood were great.
Idiot.
Also reckons we can play but need to get up.
Reminds me of Frawley.
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Oh look they're a bloody good side....
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I do wonder what a
Roos
Hinkley
Worsfoled
Gary ayes
Rattan
Type would do with the list.
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Just has no idea. Time clock has to be ticking after 5 years.
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Has done well with the train wreck of the Wallace era to get us competitive but is now well established in the trap of poor decision making,coaching desperately for results when clearly more work is needed, trying to make players into something that is not conducive to the side, spin and downright stubborness.
Time to get back to basics otherwise roll up for next finals appearance sometime between 2019-2021 if we are lucky.
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Only just started as an assistant but Cameron Ling is regarded by many in the know to be a gun coach in waiting. Very astute.
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Only just started as an assistant but Cameron Ling is regarded by many in the know to be a gun coach in waiting. Very astute.
Ling would be brilliant. Winning culture please that doesn't accept mediocrity and players who don't work hard.
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Him and his staff have taken us as far as they can go. We need to be ruthless and get them out at the end of this year and use the fans hard earned money and poach someone like Thomson.
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Why do we not use a tagger
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Very soft from Damien, who cares if the opposition were good. All teams are good its the AFL mate. Why weren't we good like them?
Media will be red hot on us this week and so they should.
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Just has no idea. Time clock has to be ticking after 5 years.
He said they realised halfway through the first quarter that they had too many talls. Did no one on the coaching panel notice that it had been raining for 4 days in a row and we were playing in an outdoor stadium?
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If Carlton lose or ASADA spring some shyte he'll be stoked
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Just has no idea. Time clock has to be ticking after 5 years.
He said they realised halfway through the first quarter that they had too many talls. Did no one on the coaching panel notice that it had been raining for 4 days in a row and we were playing in an outdoor stadium?
He's usually very good at picking up on things....after the fact.
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Just has no idea. Time clock has to be ticking after 5 years.
He said they realised halfway through the first quarter that they had too many talls. Did no one on the coaching panel notice that it had been raining for 4 days in a row and we were playing in an outdoor stadium?
Another stuff up at selection. Happened vs Gold Coast. Mind you Collingwood had Grundy, Witts, Cloke, White to our Hampson, Griffiths, Vickery and Riewoldt. Collingwood were as tall as us, they just were better. Why?
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Damien is an over paid football TV analyst. Michael Voss mark II.
Vossy seems like a genius on Fox Footy, what he said was exactly the same as what Hardwick said in his press conference. Makes me think its easy to point out flaws in a teams game, takes a finals / top 4 coach to fix them. Hardwick is not the latter unfortunately.
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It'd take vossy at punt road
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Why do we sit here and for 4 weeks in a row speak basic Under 12s tactics and awareness of situation again.
Wet weather football.
Why pick 3 tall forwards, what sort of team selection agrees after 50mm of rain over 3 days to go with 3 KP talls, 2 of them are very suspect in form and 1 is a raw player who is only starting to get comfortable at AFL level. Crazy.
Why over possess the ball, why sort kicking, its simple guaranteed probability that human beings make mistakes. Why risk making a mistake by giving maximum oppurtunity to turn the ball over by moving the ball slowly and short by foot. You are asking for perfection in the wet to do this without turning it over. Horrible.
Kick to space, run hard, keep your feet and man up. Simple wet weather stuff. We did none of it for 4 qtrs. Basic stuff again Damien
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As I've said before - IMO the club (and quite a few fans) have been sucked in and psyched out by the whole "Eat Their Own /Always sacking Ccoaches" myth that the media have perpetuated and hasn't really been relevant this century. It also refered to the fact that many of our coaches were ex-Richmond players.
Frawley (ST.KILDA, Collingwood asistant) - 5 year contract - coached the full 5 years , contract not renewed.
Wallace (HAWTHORN - 1yr Richmond - Footscray, Footscray coach) - 5 year contract - coached 4 full years, forced to resign halfway through final year.
Hardwick (ESEENDON & PORT , Hawthorn assistant) - 3 year contract - signed extension, currently in 5th year.
So that's 3 coaches (not counting Rawlings) over 15 seasons with no actual sacking technically and even one contract extension.
Even if we were to sack Hardwick next week, that's hardly knee-jerk "eat our own" stuff.
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Why over possess the ball, why sort kicking, its simple guaranteed probability that human beings make mistakes. Why risk making a mistake by giving maximum oppurtunity to turn the ball over by moving the ball slowly and short by foot. You are asking for perfection in the wet to do this without turning it over. Horrible.
Kick to space, run hard, keep your feet and man up. Simple wet weather stuff. We did none of it for 4 qtrs. Basic stuff again Damien
:bow
Popey gets it
Here was a standard play tonite... Tiger ball at defensive 50 , short pass across the ground , handball , short pass into the middle , handball , handball , handball , turnover , Collingwood pass to free man 40 out. Set shot , goal. :banghead
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Smashed in the box again.
Bomber Thompson must be lured to Richmond next year.
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Smashed in the box again.
Bomber Thompson must be lured to Richmond next year.
Would be a God send. There is no chance he will, even 1billion dollars wouldn't pull him away from Essendon. He left a premiership team on enormous $$ to go back to Essendon to be in cruise control. He has been put in the hellfire with the ASADA stuff and he will see it out and be with Hird for the success. No chance he will leave unless they turn to absolute rubbish. Which I don't see happening under him.
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Infraction notices are the key
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At least we beat Collingwood under Wallace.
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Cotching getting smashed off the ball, Pendlebury hasn't got a bruise on him.
Why have Thomas and Jackson if they are going to hunt the ball instead of protecting our blue chip asset. Dumb.
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The eyes tell the tale, he's starting to doubt himself.
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Cotching getting smashed off the ball, Pendlebury hasn't got a bruise on him.
Why have Thomas and Jackson if they are going to hunt the ball instead of protecting our blue chip asset. Dumb.
Total myth that Jackson's a midfield enforcer. Never has been.
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Only just started as an assistant but Cameron Ling is regarded by many in the know to be a gun coach in waiting. Very astute.
How long till he starts coaching for his career and not the club like everyone else at this poo hole club does?
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Oh look they're a bloody good side....
Lmao no they're not. What a dipstick
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Damien is an over paid football TV analyst. Michael Voss mark II.
Vossy seems like a genius on Fox Footy, what he said was exactly the same as what Hardwick said in his press conference. Makes me think its easy to point out flaws in a teams game, takes a finals / top 4 coach to fix them. Hardwick is not the latter unfortunately.
I like bomber. Don't understand what he's saying and I think he'd be terrible as a tv analyst but what a coach!
Mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm....
That's how they shouldn't play....Mmm mmm mmmm mmm mmm.
That's how I want them to play...mmm mmmm mmm mmm mmm.
....brilliant! :bow :clapping :clapping
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C'mon boys let's get this thread pumping, need to get it to another level
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Signed a two year deal to 2016.
Remember how we felt in 2002 topping up after a finals year with Spud?
De ja vu lads.
Another 62 games of this crap.
Welcome to the new updated edition of the skata files RFC 1983-
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Cotching getting smashed off the ball, Pendlebury hasn't got a bruise on him.
Why have Thomas and Jackson if they are going to hunt the ball instead of protecting our blue chip asset. Dumb.
I was disgusted and Cotchin should be disgusted that not one team mate stepped in and even tried to bump Macaffer during play to help out :banghead Players just let Macaffer ride on his back for the whole game and Fasolo even noted this in an interview after the game. We have a shocking culture and it all starts with the coach :help
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SACK THE BASTARD
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De ja vu lads.
Another 62 games of this crap.
Welcome to the new updated edition of the skata files RFC 1983-
Exactly. People (some) are deluded because they over rate the list.
Simple fact is this. Your Griggs, Vickerys, Foleys, S Edwards' and Chaplins are the modern day versions of your Biddescombs, Zantucks, your Royce Vardys and your Lionel Procters.
As soon as people (aka the football dept) realise this, the quicker we can start to rebuild
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De ja vu lads.
Another 62 games of this crap.
Welcome to the new updated edition of the skata files RFC 1983-
Exactly. People (some) are deluded because they over rate the list.
Simple fact is this. Your Griggs, Vickerys, Foleys, S Edwards' and Chaplins are the modern day versions of your Biddescombs, Zantucks, your Royce Vardys and your Lionel Procters.
As soon as people (aka the football dept) realise this, the quicker we can start to rebuild
Don't forget our Simon Fletcher, Ben Marsh, Craig Ednie, Bill Nichols, Tim Flemings, Brent Hartigans.
If there was a skata Hall of Fame at Punt Rd from 1983- we could make at least four non competitive sides.
Noone will realise this as the stakes are too high $$$$$ on the bottom line of the club until we have wasted the rest of this season and possibly the next living in denial, that is until the media lift the blowtorch on the coaches lat season in contract and by then our mentally fragile culture on and off the field is on full display.
Some may call this the cycle of cynicism I will coin it the cycle of skata.
We have been sold the same Ford Capri that was sold to us after swoop left again. Same lemon different paint job and more passengers. RFC should be ashamed.
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My view if we had a Ross Lyon or Bomber we would be better team by a mile.I see Dimma good at development، but poor on matchday.Thee club got ahead of itself recruiting to many rejects from other clubs to and not stick to the original plan.
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Ling or Thompson make it happen
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But georgies they aint available and in the meantime we are shittttt.
Ling or Thompson make it happen
Next coach has to be a superstar coach tried, professional and with a premiership to his name otherwise that last piece of the puzzle with never eventuate and we will fade away meekly.
Right now I'd swap with Melbourne. Roos for Dimma.
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Maybe Hird
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Maybe Hird
At least he would "pep" up the players!
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Maybe Hird
At least he would "pep" up the players!
We could do alot worse...I.e. Maintain the status quo
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I dont think there are any available coaches much better than Dimma.
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The outcome of the Carlton v Melbourne game might take a bit of the heat off Hardwick.
Heres hoping not, and a 5 goal win to carlton.
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Even if they are they get deprogrammed and fast become the highest paid underachievers the game will ever know.
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De ja vu lads.
Another 62 games of this crap.
Welcome to the new updated edition of the skata files RFC 1983-
Exactly. People (some) are deluded because they over rate the list.
Simple fact is this. Your Griggs, Vickerys, Foleys, S Edwards' and Chaplins are the modern day versions of your Biddescombs, Zantucks, your Royce Vardys and your Lionel Procters.
As soon as people (aka the football dept) realise this, the quicker we can start to rebuild
Don't forget our Simon Fletcher, Ben Marsh, Craig Ednie, Bill Nichols, Tim Flemings, Brent Hartigans.
If there was a skata Hall of Fame at Punt Rd from 1983- we could make at least four non competitive sides.
Noone will realise this as the stakes are too high $$$$$ on the bottom line of the club until we have wasted the rest of this season and possibly the next living in denial, that is until the media lift the blowtorch on the coaches lat season in contract and by then our mentally fragile culture on and off the field is on full display.
Some may call this the cycle of cynicism I will coin it the cycle of skata.
We have been sold the same Ford Capri that was sold to us after swoop left again. Same lemon different paint job and more passengers. RFC should be ashamed.
Let's not forget our back line savior Silvester
And our forward line savior Plapp.
It's the same crap all over again with Chaplin & sideshow Bob!
The cycle of Skata.
Excellent.
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I think Dimma has done ok until now.However the one criticism I have and I think its becoming a real issue is his apparent lack of strategic thinking during the game..He appears to be continually out coached during the game
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Mark Thompson :gotigers
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Need an affiliate netball team
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LOL at the turn on Chaplin
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LOL at the turn on Chaplin
In all fairness, he's been elected to the leadership group and with that comes added responsibility as an onfield leader. His first 4 weeks have been nothing short of hopeless.
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If Carlton lose dimma is one lucky SOB :banghead
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Dees win
Dimma safe :sleep
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GET MICK
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Pls change thread title to sack Hardwick and Malthouse
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Another five year Wallace plan.
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GET MICK
Yes. He might be free after today!
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GET MICK
Yes. He might be free after today!
The way he has been carrying on in the box smacks of desperation and being bereft of ideas about a list that is caught in no mans land given what transpired last September. His stocks have fallen. Turning 61 and won't be there for the rebuild. Taking the money and running.
Mick needs a middle of the road side on the way up to mould into a premiership fancy within 3 years not a side on the way down that needs 2-3 years to fall to a low ebb due to retirements of their best players and then a minimum of 3 years of decent drafting and recruiting to get to a level of competitiveness that's sustainable.
Officially they are where we were in 2009 with another year to run after this year on his contract. ;D
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Carlton are just as rooted as us and when they lose Judd to retirement then they will be completely rooted.
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Carlton are just as rooted as us and when they lose Judd to retirement then they will be completely rooted.
And Squibs walks out.
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Carlton are us in 4 years time if we don't finish the rebuild and keep topping up with crap.
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Sack Hardwick!
Disgrace of a game plan!
Sack him ASAP please!
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Bump.
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If we sack him we still have all the crap players
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Its all krap
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:lol....the old chestnut....
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Hardwick & Leppitsch - Master & Apprentice..... both had the exact same stunned mullet look in the box whenever the camera cut to them.
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I don't really think Hardwick will go and not really sure if we should be getting rid of him but if the RFC are thinking about it they may want to act sooner rather than later. If Bomber still has this passion it would be the opportune time to strike..Otherwise who else is there? Lets face it we need an ex premiership coach that still has the goods and aside from Bomber I can only really think of Worsfold.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-keen-to-resign-mark-thompson-as-senior-assistant-coach-to-james-hird/story-fni5f6kv-1226889274026
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Hardwick & Leppitsch - Master & Apprentice..... both had the exact same stunned mullet look in the box whenever the camera cut to them.
I was having a read of Lions BF board and apparently Leppa is "really big on 3 things"
1. Oppo has ball
2. Lions have ball
3. Ball in dispute
Where did he get that from? :lol
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I don't really think Hardwick will go and not really sure if we should be getting rid of him but if the RFC are thinking about it they may want to act sooner rather than later. If Bomber still has this passion it would be the opportune time to strike..Otherwise who else is there? Lets face it we need an ex premiership coach that still has the goods and aside from Bomber I can only really think of Worsfold.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-keen-to-resign-mark-thompson-as-senior-assistant-coach-to-james-hird/story-fni5f6kv-1226889274026
Offer should be being made as we speak.
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I don't really think Hardwick will go and not really sure if we should be getting rid of him but if the RFC are thinking about it they may want to act sooner rather than later. If Bomber still has this passion it would be the opportune time to strike..Otherwise who else is there? Lets face it we need an ex premiership coach that still has the goods and aside from Bomber I can only really think of Worsfold.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-keen-to-resign-mark-thompson-as-senior-assistant-coach-to-james-hird/story-fni5f6kv-1226889274026
Offer should be being made as we speak.
He is not interested. He was on $800k as being the assistant. Why would he take less for looking down the gun barrel?
Stop thinking of Bomber. It ain't gonna happen!!!!
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I don't really think Hardwick will go and not really sure if we should be getting rid of him but if the RFC are thinking about it they may want to act sooner rather than later. If Bomber still has this passion it would be the opportune time to strike..Otherwise who else is there? Lets face it we need an ex premiership coach that still has the goods and aside from Bomber I can only really think of Worsfold.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-keen-to-resign-mark-thompson-as-senior-assistant-coach-to-james-hird/story-fni5f6kv-1226889274026
Offer should be being made as we speak.
He is not interested. He was on $800k as being the assistant. Why would he take less for looking down the gun barrel?
Stop thinking of Bomber. It ain't gonna happen!!!!
You are ruining their dreams Y&B
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Why couldn't we pay him 7 figures plus?
Flying financially and with the excitement of signing him we would get 75 - 80k members next year.
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Why couldn't we pay him 7 figures plus?
Flying financially and with the excitement of signing him we would get 75 - 80k members next year.
Its not just the $1 million for a the coach you want its the $1.5 million we would have to pay out to Dimma for sacking him. The cost is therefore $2.5 million and we cant afford it.
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Why couldn't we pay him 7 figures plus?
Flying financially and with the excitement of signing him we would get 75 - 80k members next year.
Its not just the $1 million for a the coach you want its the $1.5 million we would have to pay out to Dimma for sacking him. The cost is therefore $2.5 million and we cant afford it.
We also cant afford another 10 years plus of the crap we are putting up with now.
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Hardwicks biggest mistake at the moment is his loyalty to the likes of Grigg Edwards Newman and afew others. The sooner he loses this and just gets down to running the club properly then the better off he will be as a coach.
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Why couldn't we pay him 7 figures plus?
Flying financially and with the excitement of signing him we would get 75 - 80k members next year.
Its not just the $1 million for a the coach you want its the $1.5 million we would have to pay out to Dimma for sacking him. The cost is therefore $2.5 million and we cant afford it.
Just start up a FTHO fund, stuff the Hardwick off fund would get us $2.5m easily
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Why couldn't we pay him 7 figures plus?
Flying financially and with the excitement of signing him we would get 75 - 80k members next year.
Its not just the $1 million for a the coach you want its the $1.5 million we would have to pay out to Dimma for sacking him. The cost is therefore $2.5 million and we cant afford it.
I actually wouldn't sack him, I'd keep him as a senior assistant if he would do it.
But after 7? straight profits and record membership, I can't see how we couldn't afford to do it.
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Why couldn't we pay him 7 figures plus?
Flying financially and with the excitement of signing him we would get 75 - 80k members next year.
Its not just the $1 million for a the coach you want its the $1.5 million we would have to pay out to Dimma for sacking him. The cost is therefore $2.5 million and we cant afford it.
Just start up a FTHO fund, stuff the Hardwick off fund would get us $2.5m easily
I'll put in $2.50
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Ah, let me see. After taking us from nowhere to finals in a short time, the lynch mob wants to come out because we are 2-3!
:gobdrop
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Ah, let me see. After taking us from nowhere to finals in a short time, the lynch mob wants to come out because we are 2-3!
:gobdrop
I don't know where the slappers hide when we are doing well
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Ah, let me see. After taking us from nowhere to finals in a short time, the lynch mob wants to come out because we are 2-3!
:gobdrop
I've said all along he is a good bloke and a good developer of young players but a terrible match day coach.
The move should have been made at the end of 2012.
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I don't expect as many calls for Bomber Thompson this week.
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I don't expect as many calls for Bomber Thompson this week.
Hehe funny
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Ah, let me see. After taking us from nowhere to finals in a short time, the lynch mob wants to come out because we are 2-3!
:gobdrop
Those who want him out now are kidding themselves
He deserves until this time next year at least
Why I say Apriil next year because if we are in the same boat the club will implode and he will be as good as gone
We will know by the round 10 next year if Hardwick is our man
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I don't expect as many calls for Bomber Thompson this week.
Yeah funny to see him in the coaches box looking like a stunned mullet with no plan B
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Sack Thompson
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Sack Thompson
:lol
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Get Andy Collins.... :shh
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l like Hardwick ;D
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I like ass
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Sack Roos.
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Freo sacked a good coach for Lyon
I dunno if we should be building dimma a church just yet
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4 goals to three quarter time ...
10 shots at goal to three quarter time ...
slow movement ...
17th in transitional football ...
playing unskillful players ...
not playing players to their strengths ...
Sack Hardwick ...
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4 goals to three quarter time ...
10 shots at goal to three quarter time ...
slow movement ...
17th in transitional football ...
playing unskillful players ...
not playing players to their strengths ...
Sack Hardwick ...
went too early torch, we may kcik 6-7 in the last and then hear about the positives
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I hate to say it but after this poo against the Hawks and next weeks loss, his job would have to be looked at.
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Rfc. Not in top 13 afl ladder
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if we sack him who do we get?
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The cycle of Skata. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Tigeritis is alive and well.
Mediocrity for everyone to see.
B.J, Al, and all apologists for mediocrity, this is the rubbish you think doesn't exist or you fail to acknowledge. Wonder what the excuses will be this week? Umpires, injuries, rubbish!!!
We will NEVER be anything until they fix culture full stop.
We are on the merry-go-round that is the Richmond footy club.
Too many that don't work hard enough and poo themselves too often and they think they are good enough when they've achieved nothing.
This club is a disgrace and Dimma is a phony and a liar.
FIX CULTURE FIRST!!!
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if we sack him who do we get?
Why not be bold like Fremantle
Throw money at a big name
The list has upside
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l dont wanna hear anymore pathetic rubbish come from this club anymore. RFC is going into my email block list
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Agree Culture is a massive problem. If we do not improve against Geelong the calls for Hardwick's head will be loud and clear.
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Ok let's build up some momentum on this thread
SACK THE BUM
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1. Sack the woman President Peggy, this is a mans game go President a netball team.
2. Its not the coaches fault but the selectors
3. Its the players who are chicken & play like Miss Peggy would.
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Brilliant plan to net us some top draft picks :clapping :bow
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Ok let's build up some momentum on this thread
SACK THE BUM
Unless you blokes start ringing the SEN Reviews and 3AW asking for a sacking there will be no momentum. We need some burnt memberships, some chicken droppings and lots of angry telephone calls into the radio station. Thats when the momentum will be on. ;D
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if we sack him who do we get?
Why not be bold like Fremantle
Throw money at a big name
The list has upside
Where's the upside?
Graham
Newman
Jackson
Edwards
True super list
We are finished
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Harvey Norman could assist with 50% off all microwaves upon presentation of membership ticket
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Microwaving doesn't do much. Just take an oxy to it.
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Harvey Norman could assist with 50% off all microwaves upon presentation of membership ticket
too much rubbish spin comes out of Richmond. They may as well email everyone their plans & excuses each week. never will l attend another game or attend anything for that matter. no more money to the spin club :banghead
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if we sack him who do we get?
Why not be bold like Fremantle
Throw money at a big name
The list has upside
Where's the upside?
Graham
Newman
Jackson
Edwards
True super list
We are finished
Deledio
Cotchin
Riewoldt
Griffiths
Astbury
Vlastuin
Conca
McBean
mcintosh
Mcdonuts
Arnot
Ellis
Martin
Elton
Miles
Helbig
Port looked shot until Hinkley. Even the saints looks good. It can turn around quick
A new coach has much to work with
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Microwaving doesn't do much. Just take an oxy to it.
Put some kero on it as well
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Sack him and bring in someone that will rebuild us properly without topping up with hacks and spuds
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Sack him and bring in someone that will rebuild us properly without topping up with hacks and spuds
100% correct!
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Sack him and bring in someone that will rebuild us properly without topping up with hacks and spuds
Hardwick is not the list manager.
We've tried the money ball theory over compromised drafts and come up short.
Time to clean out the list of crap and draft some talent from the pointy end of the pool.
Forget finals this year and look at the list deficiencies seriously.
Hopefully win a flag before Jack and Cotch retire.
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Hardwick chooses go grant games to Grigg. Petard. Chaplin. Newman. Houli continually
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Wonder how many of the previous coaches of the so called "moneyball" players we have picked up would use the words "lazy" or "lack of skill" when honestly describing their deficiencies, i would guess most if not all of them. Today's fast flowing style of play depends on two things, gut running and skills, with all these players having a deficiency in one or both of these areas we were doomed to fail from the beginning.
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4 goals to three quarter time ...
10 shots at goal to three quarter time ...
slow movement ...
17th in transitional football ...
playing unskillful players ...
not playing players to their strengths ...
Sack Hardwick ...
went too early torch, we may kcik 6-7 in the last and then hear about the positives
:thumbsup
How good was Petterd, Grigg and Shane Edwards today???
Loved the 6-7 goals between the 2nd and half way through the 3rd quarter they gave away thanks to their great skill errors.
But because they had high 20 possessions, chipping it around and no hard running into space obviously wins us matches!
Like Hardwick said, "We are better than last year".
Watch how Port Adelaide play Hardwick!
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Port Adelaide under Hinkley want RESPECT!
What does Hardwick want???
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Oh look....
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Port Adelaide under Hinkley want RESPECT!
What does Hardwick want???
An extension to his extension?
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Port Adelaide under Hinkley want RESPECT!
What does Hardwick want???
An extension to his extension?
Keep his pet players happy?
Stop being a mate Dimma and get serious, these blokes are burning you
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Port Adelaide under Hinkley want RESPECT!
What does Hardwick want???
A job
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Port Adelaide under Hinkley want RESPECT!
What does Hardwick want???
Dimma is a good man don't worry about that.
Unfortunately we don't have the players to do the jobs he wants.
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You reckon he's a good coach, Magic Man?
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You reckon he's a good coach, Magic Man?
In some ways, not in others.
Think he's a reasonably good motivator who til now at least has had the respect of the players.
I do wonder about his flexibility and creativity when things are less than perfect though.
Think he has copied the Clarkson model as he really believes in it but now must realise that we don't have the personnel to carry it out..
So then what?
It can work because we have played some spurts of fantastic football under him but ultimately you either have the personal or you don't.
When we don't I'm not sure he has a plan B or C to counter it.
Does that make him a one trick pony? Perhaps.
Might be time for a change there but I'd look to improve the playing list dramatically first. If that doesn't work then he'll be out the door.
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I actually think we have some of the cattle to do it. We just aren't willing to give games to kids whilst our better players are out injured. We also haven't made some harsh calls because we didn't feed games to kids. Yes, it was nice playing finals last year but at what cost? Same as 2001?
Play the kids for now. Get some good players back and see what happens. Some kids will make it, some will be good enough as depth (can kick the ball and fit the game style but ultimately not best 22) and some will flunk. But make the calls. If we miss finals then so be it. We get access to a potential star player (maybe 2 with a pick in the mid 20's) and we move on. If we want mature bodies either get guys that can kick and fit the style we want or go to the VFL/WAFL/SANFL to get blokes who can kick.
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I actually think we have some of the cattle to do it. We just aren't willing to give games to kids whilst our better players are out injured. We also haven't made some harsh calls because we didn't feed games to kids. Yes, it was nice playing finals last year but at what cost? Same as 2001?
Play the kids for now. Get some good players back and see what happens. Some kids will make it, some will be good enough as depth (can kick the ball and fit the game style but ultimately not best 22) and some will flunk. But make the calls. If we miss finals then so be it. We get access to a potential star player (maybe 2 with a pick in the mid 20's) and we move on. If we want mature bodies either get guys that can kick and fit the style we want or go to the VFL/WAFL/SANFL to get blokes who can kick.
I have no doubt that time is coming if you heard Dimma's comments re Lennon in the presser.
Delusion has quickly been slapped in the face by reality.
With finals unlikely or even if we make it, a flag this year impossible, I expect several changes are afoot.
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I actually think we have some of the cattle to do it. We just aren't willing to give games to kids whilst our better players are out injured. We also haven't made some harsh calls because we didn't feed games to kids. Yes, it was nice playing finals last year but at what cost? Same as 2001?
Play the kids for now. Get some good players back and see what happens. Some kids will make it, some will be good enough as depth (can kick the ball and fit the game style but ultimately not best 22) and some will flunk. But make the calls. If we miss finals then so be it. We get access to a potential star player (maybe 2 with a pick in the mid 20's) and we move on. If we want mature bodies either get guys that can kick and fit the style we want or go to the VFL/WAFL/SANFL to get blokes who can kick.
I have no doubt that time is coming if you heard Dimma's comments re Lennon in the presser.
Delusion has quickly been slapped in the face by reality.
With finals unlikely or even if we make it, a flag this year impossible, I expect several changes are afoot.
Yeah I heard that. It's about time he caught on.
We need a clean out. We keep players too long and then just take the mandatory 3 picks.
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Hardwick has to go.
Deledio and Tuck have carried this club for years. With Tucks retirement and Deledio's inury, the coach and his unwavering support for very ordinary footballers and a non-existent game plan have finally been exposed. We had a dream draw last year and we lost to the 9th placed team. The cracks have been there to see for years now. Unfortunately painting over them does not make them go away. If it did, this club would have won 10 premierships in the last 30 years.
We didn't win the ball on the weekend. There was no run. There was no contest. There was no spirit. Our backline was bereft. Our midfield was hesitant, defensive in attack but not in defense. Our forward line. Who knows how our forward line was, with the ball moving so slowly, it was never a fair contest for our forwards.
You only need to look at Hinkley to see what a difference a real coach can make to a football club and it doesn't take 5 years. We have the talent to be a top 8 side. We play like a bottom 4 side. There can be no greater indictment on the coach than this.
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you gonna sell your house and donate $1 million to pay him out unplugged? Coz thats the minimum payout to sack him, although It could be $1.5 million. So if businessmen want to front up with the cash Im happy to support change, but we didnt all give money to the club so they can pee it up the wall in termination payments to coaches.
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you gonna sell your house and donate $1 million to pay him out unplugged? Coz thats the minimum payout to sack him, although It could be $1.5 million. So if businessmen want to front up with the cash Im happy to support change, but we didnt all give money to the club so they can pee it up the wall in termination payments to coaches.
Rampstar, I have one expectation when I give my money to the football club. The RFC will do everything possible to create a successful football club with the purpose of winning a flag. As long as the club is realistically striving towards this goal, then my money is well spent. If it isn't, then every dollar spent is and has been "peed up against the wall" as you described it.
We won't be successful under Hardwick. Five years has proven that beyond reasonable doubt. Its time to cut our losses and find someone who can take us forward.
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Hardwick has to go.
Deledio and Tuck have carried this club for years. With Tucks retirement and Deledio's inury, the coach and his unwavering support for very ordinary footballers and a non-existent game plan have finally been exposed. We had a dream draw last year and we lost to the 9th placed team. The cracks have been there to see for years now. Unfortunately painting over them does not make them go away. If it did, this club would have won 10 premierships in the last 30 years.
We didn't win the ball on the weekend. There was no run. There was no contest. There was no spirit. Our backline was bereft. Our midfield was hesitant, defensive in attack but not in defense. Our forward line. Who knows how our forward line was, with the ball moving so slowly, it was never a fair contest for our forwards.
You only need to look at Hinkley to see what a difference a real coach can make to a football club and it doesn't take 5 years. We have the talent to be a top 8 side. We play like a bottom 4 side. There can be no greater indictment on the coach than this.
Here, here!
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Hardwick is running out of excuses!
If he has the courage to drop his favourites and play cubs, he can survive.
Though, the issue is the game plan, so you could have anyone in that team and the results would still be bad.
Jack Reiwoldt must get very annoyed taking on 2 or 3 players at every contest.
Hardwick still thinks Sydney's 2005 Premiership style is how you win matches.
He is a very poor match day coach!
Players have lost faith in the game plan. Second guessing, poor decisions.
Daniel Jackson is a favourite too.
He will just win the contested football and that is it.
He is important for Hardwick because he is hard.
Jackson fits Hardwick's game plan!
Vickery should not be playing next week.
NOTHING from Friday suggested he is hurting not playing!
His confidence is shot!
Hardwick said that Vickery needs to work on his defensive game!
Not once did Vickery tackle anyone. He still doesn't jump up for the mark! Flat footed!
Lennon, McDonough should be played! They have flare and dare which we all want to see!
Houli needs to play on the WING!
Grigg needs to be dropped!
Shane Edwards is simple! Play him in the forward pocket and leave him there! If not playing there, drop him!
Petterd, has he hit a target by foot over 15 minutes this year? He is a forward! Play him forward! If not, don't play him!
Chaplin, can't do anything! Drop him!
Hampson, will he get a possession around the ground?
Leave Martin forward and in the midfield!
Morris, his instruction, defend and handball! No kicking!
Hello Newman, goodbye Newman. What does he actually do now?
Conca, let him get the football and create!
Ellis, let him run all day!
Griffiths, kick the football to him!
Sack Mark Williams (Forward Coach), Sack Lade, Sack Hardwick!
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That's a lot of exclamation marks!
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I cringe watching him pull angry faces from the box.
The errors he's grimaceing over are due to the environment HE has created.
Need I remind everyone about the more than favorable draw last year. The only reason the club made finals, in reality.
In 2014, to see such a state if disbelief amongst players is unacceptable.
So he loses Maric, Deledio and Rance. Maric thru disgusting injury management that should have been overseen by the coach. Big blow but how has he responded ? stuffing terribly.
His reaction has clearly exposed his inability to keep the thing together at even a base level.
This is the time we see how good or bad he is at implementing momentum at the very least.
Judging by the performances all year he scores an F minus.
You have to wonder how his personal rating system for players works.
I really reckon this bloke has no soul.
The kind of cat who has never really "gotten" music.
There's something sterile about the club. Something Fake.
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What worries me is hardwick publicly bagged Shane Edwards for not taking the ball over the goal line to conced a point
At least he is trying to move forward and run create
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Need I remind everyone about the more than favorable draw last year. The only reason the club made finals, in reality.
That would include the wins over both grand finalists? ::)
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I cringe watching him pull angry faces from the box.
The errors he's grimaceing over are due to the environment HE has created.
Need I remind everyone about the more than favorable draw last year. The only reason the club made finals, in reality.
In 2014, to see such a state if disbelief amongst players is unacceptable.
So he loses Maric, Deledio and Rance. Maric thru disgusting injury management that should have been overseen by the coach. Big blow but how has he responded ? stuffing terribly.
His reaction has clearly exposed his inability to keep the thing together at even a base level.
This is the time we see how good or bad he is at implementing momentum at the very least.
Judging by the performances all year he scores an F minus.
You have to wonder how his personal rating system for players works.
I really reckon this bloke has no soul.
The kind of cat who has never really "gotten" music.
There's something sterile about the club. Something Fake.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Need I remind everyone about the more than favorable draw last year. The only reason the club made finals, in reality.
That would include the wins over both grand finalists? ::)
Yes like in 2008 when we beat hawks only for them to win the flag
Bottom line is who cares who we beat, all our good work was undone in that final
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Bottom line is who cares who we beat, all our good work was undone in that final
No the bottom line is if you're beating both Grand Finalists you deserve a spot in the finals.
The team played well for the most part in 2013. Yes were shat ourselves in the elimination final but we deserved to be there.
I can't cop the easy draw tag.
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I'd like to know how many big scalps we took last year. Even the last 3 years.
Collingwood?
Geelong
Hawks?
Freo away?
Sydney away?
Wouldn't be many.
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Need I remind everyone about the more than favorable draw last year. The only reason the club made finals, in reality.
That would include the wins over both grand finalists? ::)
Yes like in 2008 when we beat hawks only for them to win the flag
Bottom line is who cares who we beat, all our good work was undone in that final
Exactly. Worse loss since '82
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It's just a less angry version of this place. :lol Everyone is fricken cottoning on to the shitness of this club.
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OER is a jealous beast and will key your car if it catches you even looking at another forum.
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OER is a jealous beast and will key your car if it catches you even looking at another forum.
:lol
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Hardwick vs Hinkley.
The standards are too low at Richmond.
But that's normal with loser mentality and terrible culture.
Hinkley told the boys (third youngest list) we need to do more and work harder than the good teams because port was miles behind the top clubs. And look at them now. Players come in and the standards are achieved because it's what's expected and only those standards are accepted.
Port Adelaide has no excuses as it seeks to bridge the gap on AFL powerhouse Geelong, coach Ken Hinkley says.
Second-placed Port confront the table-topping Cats on Sunday at Adelaide Oval and Hinkley is demanding continued improvement from his side.
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/no-excuses-against-geelong-ken-hinkley-20140426-zr00a.html (http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/no-excuses-against-geelong-ken-hinkley-20140426-zr00a.html)
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"They're prepared to do whatever it takes, prepared to work hard for each other and they do everything we ask them to do and more - they demand performance and want to keep improving,” Hinkley said.
http://m.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-04-12/hinkley-credits-success-to-hard-work (http://m.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-04-12/hinkley-credits-success-to-hard-work)
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PORT Adelaide coach Ken Hinkley has challenged his players to defy the precedent set last year and hold their place at the top of the ladder.
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-27/ken-hinkley-postmatch-v-cats (http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-27/ken-hinkley-postmatch-v-cats)
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We don't control the outside expectation ... we expect ourselves to turn up and play well and be brutal and hard and ruthless in the contest," Hinkley said.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/23008100/port-crush-geelong-in-afl/ (https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/23008100/port-crush-geelong-in-afl/)
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"I know I have a group of players who are committed to working hard. They are looking for direction from their coach - and I have to make sure our coaching group gives them that direction."
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-coach-ken-hinkley-says-the-mountain-gets-bigger-but-the-club-will-keep-improving/story-fni5f9de-1226761410995 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-coach-ken-hinkley-says-the-mountain-gets-bigger-but-the-club-will-keep-improving/story-fni5f9de-1226761410995)
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Hardwick
“In a funny sort of way, and our win-loss record doesn’t indicate this, but we are a better side than last year, which is important to us,’’ he said.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136)
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It's easy to be negative on this topic .but it's clear he won't be the next Richmond premiership coach
After last years finals loss .its all been down hil since then
What's even worse he hasn't the ability or courage to make decisions to stop this slide which will result in his downfall
Centre link bound and at a fast rate
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Jack what will happen is this
We will string some meaningless games together and finish 9th
Over the summer we will hear how injuries have ruined our season then come round 2 next year after the blues beat us, and constant talk about Cochin and Dusty leaving, the RFC as we know it will turn the poo.
Happy to get quoted as this is what will happen if we stuff this season up
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Hardwick
“In a funny sort of way, and our win-loss record doesn’t indicate this, but we are a better side than last year, which is important to us,’’ he said.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136)
Pretty pointless exercise snipping selected quotes from the internet.
Bottom line is Hinkley's team is winning and Hardwick's is losing.
No amount of media sound bytes changes that fact.
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Hardwick
“In a funny sort of way, and our win-loss record doesn’t indicate this, but we are a better side than last year, which is important to us,’’ he said.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136)
Pretty pointless exercise snipping selected quotes from the internet.
Bottom line is Hinkley's team is winning and Hardwick's is losing.
No amount of media sound bytes changes that fact.
Funniest thing I have seen in a long time, I bet some flog on another fans forum was doing the same with Hardwicks quotes last year
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Wish a certain other Richmond forum wasn't currently inaccessible - suspect things are currently not at all rosey and there'll be much priceless comedy gold to found there right now.
Might have to download tor unless tigs wants to lend me his password.
Latest thread was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y
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Hardwick
“In a funny sort of way, and our win-loss record doesn’t indicate this, but we are a better side than last year, which is important to us,’’ he said.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136)
:lol as long as we know we are better than last year. :clapping :clapping
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Hardwick
“In a funny sort of way, and our win-loss record doesn’t indicate this, but we are a better side than last year, which is important to us,’’ he said.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136)
:lol as long as we know we are better than last year. :clapping :clapping
Excellent. I will turn up to the games telling my kids we are better than last year. They may question me but I can say that the coach said so and so it must be true!
I'm sure that they will swallow that hook line and sinker..............................NOT
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OER is a jealous beast and will key your car if it catches you even looking at another forum.
:lol
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Hardwick
“In a funny sort of way, and our win-loss record doesn’t indicate this, but we are a better side than last year, which is important to us,’’ he said.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136)
:lol as long as we know we are better than last year. :clapping :clapping
Excellent. I will turn up to the games telling my kids we are better than last year. They may question me but I can say that the coach said so and so it must be true!
I'm sure that they will swallow that hook line and sinker..............................NOT
:lol do they still believe in Santa? Even this is less believable than a fat old man in a red suit with flying deer :lol
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Hardwick
“In a funny sort of way, and our win-loss record doesn’t indicate this, but we are a better side than last year, which is important to us,’’ he said.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-believes-23-tigers-are-a-better-team-than-2013-model/story-fni5f9jb-1226895053136)
:lol as long as we know we are better than last year. :clapping :clapping
Excellent. I will turn up to the games telling my kids we are better than last year. They may question me but I can say that the coach said so and so it must be true!
I'm sure that they will swallow that hook line and sinker..............................NOT
:lol do they still believe in Santa? Even this is less believable than a fat old man in a red suit with flying deer :lol
:lol
No they're old enough to know Santa is just daddy spending his income in December. Funny thing is a friend of mine has a Down Syndrome kid who is a tiger supporter and he even laughed out loud when he heard those comments. FFS even poor kids that are intellectually challenged find such a comment amusing. I can't believe the club hasn't come out to at least qualify the statement. Like the late Bobby Davis would have said - this is fair dinkum UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
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:lol
No they're old enough to know Santa is just daddy spending his income in December. Funny thing is a friend of mine has a Down Syndrome kid who is a tiger supporter and he even laughed out loud when he heard those comments. FFS even poor kids that are intellectually challenged find such a comment amusing. I can't believe the club hasn't come out to at least qualify the statement. Like the late Bobby Davis would have said - this is fair dinkum UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Because you know Downs kids are so dumb
:banghead.
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:lol
No they're old enough to know Santa is just daddy spending his income in December. Funny thing is a friend of mine has a Down Syndrome kid who is a tiger supporter and he even laughed out loud when he heard those comments. FFS even poor kids that are intellectually challenged find such a comment amusing. I can't believe the club hasn't come out to at least qualify the statement. Like the late Bobby Davis would have said - this is fair dinkum UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Because you know Downs kids are so dumb
:banghead.
dont think he meant it like that mate, relax
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:lol
No they're old enough to know Santa is just daddy spending his income in December. Funny thing is a friend of mine has a Down Syndrome kid who is a tiger supporter and he even laughed out loud when he heard those comments. FFS even poor kids that are intellectually challenged find such a comment amusing. I can't believe the club hasn't come out to at least qualify the statement. Like the late Bobby Davis would have said - this is fair dinkum UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Because you know Downs kids are so dumb
:banghead.
dont think he meant it like that mate, relax
Agree Angus
My 2 brothers in law are both Intellectually Handicapped (and before people jump on me for that, it's the term my in laws use so it's good enough for me) and people know I don't take kindly to people misusing the terms "retar..." etc and stereo typing but that's not we have here
I can honestly say YYB's post IMV wasn't meant to offend in any way shape of form, if you cannot see that then perhaps the issue is else where
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Agree Angus
My 2 brothers in law are both Intellectually Handicapped (and before people jump on me for that, it's the term my in laws use so it's good enough for me) and people know I don't take kindly to people misusing the terms "retar..." etc and stereo typing but that's not we have here
I can honestly say YYB's post IMV wasn't meant to offend in any way shape of form, if you cannot see that then perhaps the issue is else where
::)
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:lol
No they're old enough to know Santa is just daddy spending his income in December. Funny thing is a friend of mine has a Down Syndrome kid who is a tiger supporter and he even laughed out loud when he heard those comments. FFS even poor kids that are intellectually challenged find such a comment amusing. I can't believe the club hasn't come out to at least qualify the statement. Like the late Bobby Davis would have said - this is fair dinkum UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Because you know Downs kids are so dumb
:banghead.
Well yeah
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Sack him anyway....
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Settle down...I've already reported Magic's posts....
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Think what I find most disheartening about our current plight is that I see the players are on the whole trying but they're just not good enough.
Is that a reflection on the coach or the list?
I lean towards the later.
Too many poor players with too many deficiencies.
A team of battlers.
Hardwick is not without blame as it's his team but list management and the AFL for gifting the fanchise clubs bear a lot more of it.
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It's clearly both IMO.....but ultimately the buck stops with the coach.
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Snip!
Was hoping we wouldn't need to edit but ..... ::)
Folks know the drill keep past issues with other sites off OER
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Snip!
And back to the topic, ppl!
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There's some pretty good mail that Peta Searle of women's football fame could be a candidate for a director of coaching role , one more pioneering step for the tigers :clapping
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There's some pretty good mail that Peta Searle of women's football fame could be a candidate for a director of coaching role , one more pioneering step for the tigers :clapping
....and a fitting one too....
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:lol wow. What has she actually achieved at afl level?
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:lol wow. What has she actually achieved at afl level?
Nothing at all, she d fit right in as our vfl coach :lol
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:lol
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:lol wow. What has she actually achieved at afl level?
Nothing at all, she d fit right in as our vfl coach :lol
Stuff that put her on the paddock, teach Ty to grow some balls
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OUTS: Griffiths, Arnot, Grimes
What a joke
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OUTS: Griffiths, Arnot, Grimes
What a joke
Team balance ;)
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OUTS: Griffiths, Arnot, Grimes
What a joke
Not really the only joke is that you could add another ten to the lost if we had adequate replacements
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After we lose on Sunday by 80+ points, he needs to be SACKED!
Dropping cubs instead of Grigg, Petterd, Shane Edwards, Newman is laughable!
Griffiths, Arnot, Grimes should be playing!
Vickery do not deserve a call-up ... those goals and possession last week in the VFL were no thanks to hard work.
Thomas??? Hardwick plays him because he is hard and slow!
Would prefer Miles elevated and playing instead of these recycled players.
Deledio and Rance shouldn't be rushed into the team!
We will lose, and when we do, Hardwick has no excuse this week.
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Yeah that right Torch, you can start the sucking
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Sack the bum!
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There's some pretty good mail that Peta Searle of women's football fame could be a candidate for a director of coaching role , one more pioneering step for the tigers :clapping
Fantastic thats all we effen need another politically correct appointment whilst Rome burns and Nero is playing the fiddle. :help
I guess that means Grigg, Titch Pettard, Houli now have one more share their female changerooms.
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The who club is up the creek. Ive lost complete faith in Hardwick. He should go and the sooner the better.
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The who club is up the creek. Ive lost complete faith in Hardwick. He should go and the sooner the better.
Lost me in 2012 after the Port Adelaide loss coached by Primus.
Simply, can't coach!
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There's some pretty good mail that Peta Searle of women's football fame could be a candidate for a director of coaching role , one more pioneering step for the tigers :clapping
Fantastic thats all we effen need another politically correct appointment whilst Rome burns and Nero is playing the fiddle. :help
I guess that means Grigg, Titch Pettard, Houli now have one more share their female changerooms.
:lol
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The who club is up the creek. Ive lost complete faith in Hardwick. He should go and the sooner the better.
Lost me in 2012 after the Port Adelaide loss coached by Primus.
Simply, can't coach!
You mean 2011 in Darwin? 2012 we beat them at AAMI and drew the last game of the year at the G.
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There's some pretty good mail that Peta Searle of women's football fame could be a candidate for a director of coaching role , one more pioneering step for the tigers :clapping
Fantastic thats all we effen need another politically correct appointment whilst Rome burns and Nero is playing the fiddle. :help
I guess that means Grigg, Titch Pettard, Houli now have one more share their female changerooms.
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Fancy naming vickery over Griff.
Confabulation at the selection table
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Clearly now aiming to shape the eight.
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Sticky thread.
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Fancy naming vickery over Griff.
Confabulation at the selection table
Im just a working class greek boy who went to a public school - what is confabulation?
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if the team lose by 15 goals hardwick should resign / be sacked
due to team selection and seeming future side planning
if the team wins i have doubts the senior players will replicate that form more than a short time given the personal
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Dimma may well be correct in his thinking that this years team is better than last years. Last year's side could be sitting near the bottom of the ladder.
You have to keep improving ahead of your opposition, that's the key.
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The last time Richmond won more than 15 games in a season was back in 1982, so to improve on last year I would have thought the improvements would need to come in the form of being beaten by lesser margins and to win games by greater margins. Not so much to have more wins on the board like everybody has been saying.
Up until last weekend, our losses haven't been too bad, and it doesn't matter (for the moment of course) who we lost to. The problem with our wins have not been in the fashion of completely sealing the deal and putting the win away with any conviction.
2013 saw our percentage higher than it has ever been since 1982, not because we won more games than any other year, but we won well and lost better.
Even if we were to have 16 wins this year (we won't on current form of course), it doesn't necessarily mean we have improved. The wins may come down to luck on close finishes, like the carlton win which we didn't deserve to win.
What I would find interesting is, if we were to swap all players from say geelong and leave the coaching panels of each club in place, what would happen to the way players would go about it every week.
I really don't think that the current geelong players would start playing like the Richmond players currently do, they would continue playing extremely well, even if the game plan was different from what they were use to.
Then with the Richmond players at a new club, different coaches, how better would they really be, I doubt much would change. Maybe over a few years, that belief may change, but unlikely.
How many players have we let go because they were considered crap or not to fall in with the Richmond needs of the team, and just to watch them thrive at other clubs, and NO I don't mean na stuffing has. This is not solely a coaches and more broadly the RFC's decision, it comes from pressure from supporters and the media as well. So think about that!
Players have to want it more than life itself, but so too does the coaches. I saw it last year and it was building with every match, and this what I believe people were wanting to see improve.
This is not just a "sack the coach" fix like we have always done.
Plus bringing a new coach in, and you face the same old poo, so why bother.
Most of the current players can play, the current coach can coach, we've all seen it and loved it, so it just needs to be fixed, not tossed aside AGAIN and AGAIN.
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Fancy naming vickery over Griff.
Confabulation at the selection table
Im just a working class greek boy who went to a public school - what is confabulation?
In psychology, confabulation (verb: confabulate) is a memory disturbance, defined as the production of fabricated, distorted or misinterpreted memories about oneself or the world, without the conscious intention to deceive. Confabulation is distinguished from lying as there is no intent to deceive and the person is unaware the information is false. Although individuals can present blatantly false information, confabulation can also seem to be coherent, internally consistent, and relatively normal. Individuals who confabulate present incorrect memories ranging from "subtle alternations to bizarre fabrications", and are generally very confident about their recollections, despite contradictory evidence. Most known cases of confabulation are symptomatic of brain damage or dementias, such as aneurysm, Alzheimer's disease, or Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome (a common manifestation of thiamine deficiency caused by alcoholism).
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Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome would be the trigger
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thanx ;D
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Cool.
It definitely isn't out of the question.
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Fancy naming vickery over Griff.
Confabulation at the selection table
Im just a working class greek boy who went to a public school - what is confabulation?
In psychology, confabulation (verb: confabulate) is a memory disturbance, defined as the production of fabricated, distorted or misinterpreted memories about oneself or the world, without the conscious intention to deceive. Confabulation is distinguished from lying as there is no intent to deceive and the person is unaware the information is false. Although individuals can present blatantly false information, confabulation can also seem to be coherent, internally consistent, and relatively normal. Individuals who confabulate present incorrect memories ranging from "subtle alternations to bizarre fabrications", and are generally very confident about their recollections, despite contradictory evidence. Most known cases of confabulation are symptomatic of brain damage or dementias, such as aneurysm, Alzheimer's disease, or Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome (a common manifestation of thiamine deficiency caused by alcoholism).
It sounds definitely like another major symptom of tigeritis.
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Seriously this guys job must be on the line, I'd doesn't even look like these players are committed, skilled or that they even want to play.
I am actually beginning to despise the RFC and what it apparently stands for.
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Seriously this guys job must be on the line, I'd doesn't even look like these players are committed, skilled or that they even want to play.
I am actually beginning to despise the RFC and what it apparently stands for.
Wtf r u going on about
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Seriously this guys job must be on the line, I'd doesn't even look like these players are committed, skilled or that they even want to play.
I am actually beginning to despise the RFC and what it apparently stands for.
Wtf r u going on about
REALLY.????
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Don't worry about it, mental illness needs care and tomerance
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I thought he coached well today, the sellwood match up worked. Grigg in the centre seemed to work. Match ups in defence worked. I am just disappointed that it took until half time to decide to throw caution to the wind.
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Don't worry about it, mental illness needs care and tomerance
Speaking from experience no doubt, funny isn't it, last week my comment would of made sense to the rose coloured glass people. This week the honourable loss fools are out again.
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Honourable loss well done :clapping
Dropping arnot. Grimes. Griffiths was justified
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Honourable loss well done :clapping
Dropping arnot. Grimes. Griffiths was justified
Griff.. :huh
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I forgot the sarcasm emotion the selection this week this season have been a disgrace IMO
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Honourable loss well done :clapping
Dropping arnot. Grimes. Griffiths was justified
Grimes would have been better than Chaplin. That guys kicking killed us.
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Thought grimes was sposed to be in the leadership group ffs
Chaplin on too much coin to get dropped
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Hasnt lost the players. You can tell from the body language in the huddles, Hardwick still has the players and thats why they responded after a poor 45 minutes at the start of the match.
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Don't worry about it, mental illness needs care and tomerance
Speaking from experience no doubt, funny isn't it, last week my comment would of made sense to the rose coloured glass people. This week the honourable loss fools are out again.
Geez I knew you behind the average bear, but a whole week behind that's impressive.
If your comment would have made sense last week maybe you should have posted it then, not a week later
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I haven't been on this site since the Finals defeat last September. At the time I stated that I was finished with the Club - nothing has changed. I was also part of a 'Sack Hardwick' thread that was commenced late in the 2012 Season. I had noticed his so-called 'game-plan' unravelling against Freo at the 'G' and during a close win against Melbourne. We lost to GC the next week. Hardwick's contract extension this year will go down as one of the greatest in a long list of management blunders. I fear it will also be a financially costly one when we are forced to sack him either at the end of this year or early in 2015. I still 'follow' the Tigers but I am not a member nor do I attend games anymore. I'll not pay 1 cent towards the wages of these fools. Out of 7 past members (for many years) in my family only one 1, '3 game' member remains. He says this is his last season. BTW I don't blame the players.
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:birthday
I haven't been on this site since the Finals defeat last September. At the time I stated that I was finished with the Club - nothing has changed. I was also part of a 'Sack Hardwick' thread that was commenced late in the 2012 Season. I had noticed his so-called 'game-plan' unravelling against Freo at the 'G' and during a close win against Melbourne. We lost to GC the next week. Hardwick's contract extension this year will go down as one of the greatest in a long list of management blunders. I fear it will also be a financially costly one when we are forced to sack him either at the end of this year or early in 2015. I still 'follow' the Tigers but I am not a member nor do I attend games anymore. I'll not pay 1 cent towards the wages of these fools. Out of 7 past members (for many years) in my family only one 1, '3 game' member remains. He says this is his last season. BTW I don't blame the players.
Do you think aliens are real? Ie. on earth
Did u boston bombings was suss from get go?
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I haven't been on this site since the Finals defeat last September. At the time I stated that I was finished with the Club - nothing has changed. I was also part of a 'Sack Hardwick' thread that was commenced late in the 2012 Season. I had noticed his so-called 'game-plan' unravelling against Freo at the 'G' and during a close win against Melbourne. We lost to GC the next week. Hardwick's contract extension this year will go down as one of the greatest in a long list of management blunders. I fear it will also be a financially costly one when we are forced to sack him either at the end of this year or early in 2015. I still 'follow' the Tigers but I am not a member nor do I attend games anymore. I'll not pay 1 cent towards the wages of these fools. Out of 7 past members (for many years) in my family only one 1, '3 game' member remains. He says this is his last season. BTW I don't blame the players.
Soft.
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Good comeback but after our start to the year being 6 goals down from the start is poor.
Didn't have a shocker in the box which was good. There were still mistakes like leaving Harry Taylor unmanned
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I haven't been on this site since the Finals defeat last September. At the time I stated that I was finished with the Club - nothing has changed. I was also part of a 'Sack Hardwick' thread that was commenced late in the 2012 Season. I had noticed his so-called 'game-plan' unravelling against Freo at the 'G' and during a close win against Melbourne. We lost to GC the next week. Hardwick's contract extension this year will go down as one of the greatest in a long list of management blunders. I fear it will also be a financially costly one when we are forced to sack him either at the end of this year or early in 2015. I still 'follow' the Tigers but I am not a member nor do I attend games anymore. I'll not pay 1 cent towards the wages of these fools. Out of 7 past members (for many years) in my family only one 1, '3 game' member remains. He says this is his last season. BTW I don't blame the players.
Very soft.
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I haven't been on this site since the Finals defeat last September. At the time I stated that I was finished with the Club - nothing has changed. I was also part of a 'Sack Hardwick' thread that was commenced late in the 2012 Season. I had noticed his so-called 'game-plan' unravelling against Freo at the 'G' and during a close win against Melbourne. We lost to GC the next week. Hardwick's contract extension this year will go down as one of the greatest in a long list of management blunders. I fear it will also be a financially costly one when we are forced to sack him either at the end of this year or early in 2015. I still 'follow' the Tigers but I am not a member nor do I attend games anymore. I'll not pay 1 cent towards the wages of these fools. Out of 7 past members (for many years) in my family only one 1, '3 game' member remains. He says this is his last season. BTW I don't blame the players.
Week as pee, hoping never to see your posts again
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Continually falling short of victory.
Joke.
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Continually falling short of victory.
Joke.
Yeah an honorable loss us not good enough for me, we were at this crossroads two years ago. This could have been season defining, it may be it was: were are unfortunately not good enough.
Nice effort though, that's what we would hope for week in week out
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Continually falling short of victory.
Joke.
Yeah an honorable loss us not good enough for me, we were at this crossroads two years ago. This could have been season defining, it may be it was: were are unfortunately not good enough.
Nice effort though, that's what we would hope for week in week out
I agree it was season defining and I couldn't help but feel this was one of those games that clubs have throughout their history which can be looked back on as the springboard to becoming a very good side. I think the belief and confidence that would have bred from a win today could've seen us hit the rest of the season HARD. Unfortunately and not surprising though we just fell short..
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Deluded drop kicks (those who made keyboard coward remarks).....feel free to waste your miserable lives ......and your money.
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On ya bike thanks hero. :thumbsup
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Deluded drop kicks (those who made keyboard coward remarks).....feel free to waste your miserable lives ......and your money.
Mate. I hope you don't support your family the same lame way you support your football team! Not welcome back!
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Bottom line is we lost another winnable game.
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Newman's injury's a blessing in disguise...actually....not even in disguise.
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Hasnt lost the players. You can tell from the body language in the huddles, Hardwick still has the players and thats why they responded after a poor 45 minutes at the start of the match.
Reckon he has lost the players
Players out and about last night after yesterday's loss ain't a good look
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Hasnt lost the players. You can tell from the body language in the huddles, Hardwick still has the players and thats why they responded after a poor 45 minutes at the start of the match.
Reckon he has lost the players
Players out and about last night after yesterday's loss ain't a good look
Gee really? He's lost the players because some went out? Please give me a spell
take it up with them on Tuesday or whenever it is at the c/tail party ;D
They have a bye next week, and are going to get some time off.
Think you are jumping at shadows this time Jack
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Bumped into CEO after the game
Ropable was his mood .cant see why some players would feel same
They don't take defeat hard enough
Am not jumping at shadows WP
Just a few have got well ahead of themselves off the field
And it's the same few
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Bumped into CEO after the game
Ropable was his mood .cant see why some players would feel same
They don't take defeat hard enough
Am not jumping at shadows WP
Just a few have got well ahead of themselves off the field
And it's the same few
What are you going on about, the players put in yesterday any fool can see that.
Every couple of years you spin this same tripe
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Bumped into CEO after the game
Ropable was his mood .cant see why some players would feel same
They don't take defeat hard enough
Am not jumping at shadows WP
Just a few have got well ahead of themselves off the field
And it's the same few
Not disputing for a second that some are ahead of themselves (hello B. Ellis :banghead)
Just because a couple of blokes went out I don't think you claim that all were not hurting after another unexceptable loss
As for the CEO being ropable - was that because we lost or because he can see his forecasted million dollar profit disappearing quicker than our finals chances ;) ;D
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Probably the latter
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Just a few have got well ahead of themselves off the field
And it's the same few
Names or it's not true.
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Bumped into CEO after the game
Ropable was his mood .cant see why some players would feel same
They don't take defeat hard enough
Am not jumping at shadows WP
Just a few have got well ahead of themselves off the field
And it's the same few
What are you going on about, the players put in yesterday any fool can see that.
Every couple of years you spin this same tripe
Hold on a tick
Will check the results again
Yep we lost !!!
Don't see Joel Sellwood and Jobe Watson out and about celebrating there wins
Don't care what anyone says .reckon we have a problem
There is a reason why we aren't successful .
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yep, got to agree with that.
There in lies the problem, club should be smarting after that loss and what they have dished up this year.
Love to know which players. Probably grigg graham newman celebrating their wonderful output yesterday
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I dont think its possible to have AFL players not going out and having some social life. Having said that one or two of the younger players are getting a bit of a reputation I believe.
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I dont think its possible to have AFL players not going out and having some social life. Having said that one or two of the younger players are getting a bit of a reputation I believe.
Don't worry, Deledio is on the look out and straight on to the phone to the coach whenever he catches any of the young guys out with their mates.
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I dont think its possible to have AFL players not going out and having some social life. Having said that one or two of the younger players are getting a bit of a reputation I believe.
Don't worry, Deledio is on the look out and straight on to the phone to the coach whenever he catches any of the young guys out with their mates.
Deledio is now 26/27 and spent most of his time at Richmond watching us go from being tripe to staying tripe. The guy deserves some success IMHO and we cant have players going overboard. Players should go out but theres a limit between going out and being excess and some of our younger blokes havent worked that out yet.
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disrespectful to the jumper and the likes of deledio for little pricks like ellis to go clubbing and other general smart alkie acts instead of trying their best to improve
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I have no issue with players going out
I have an issue with players out and about 4 hours after getting beaten
Season is 2-5 not 6-1
If you want me to name and shame I won't
Although two of the culprits are single digit numbers and the other is well known social ite lol
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interesting to hear michael voss saying marc murphy should talk to malthouse and say player a b c are not good enough
one would think deledio and cotchin would be feeling this this
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I have no issue with players going out
I have an issue with players out and about 4 hours after getting beaten
Season is 2-5 not 6-1
Probably realise finals are unlikely and have started Mad Monday already.
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I have no issue with players going out
I have an issue with players out and about 4 hours after getting beaten
Season is 2-5 not 6-1
If you want me to name and shame I won't
Although two of the culprits are single digit numbers and the other is well known social ite lol
4/5/16
Done
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First 2 correct
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First 2 correct
TBH I don't care what they do in their spare time. Just after the game is probably the best time to go out as rehab hasn't started yet and planning for the next game isn't in the pipeline (especially with the bye).
What I do care about is performance. Nothing more . Nothing less.
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footballers have a life after work just the same as us, l see no problem them getting peeed after a game.
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Rehab starts directly after a game
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Rehab starts directly after a game
Initial rubdown yes. The rest starts the next morning. In between the players have time to themselves. And so they should.
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They are all back in the pool at punt rd after MCG games
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First 2 correct
Socialite I presumed was the one going out with a supermodel. :lol
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LMAOISM @ players needing rehab after a game.
Must b hard to run.
No wonder they're weak as pee
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I have no issue with players going out
I have an issue with players out and about 4 hours after getting beaten
Season is 2-5 not 6-1
If you want me to name and shame I won't
Although two of the culprits are single digit numbers and the other is well known social ite lol
Why are you saying you wont name and shame and then practically drop the name anyway
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Bumped into CEO after the game
Ropable was his mood .cant see why some players would feel same
They don't take defeat hard enough
Am not jumping at shadows WP
Just a few have got well ahead of themselves off the field
And it's the same few
What are you going on about, the players put in yesterday any fool can see that.
Every couple of years you spin this same tripe
Hold on a tick
Will check the results again
Yep we lost !!!
Don't see Joel Sellwood and Jobe Watson out and about celebrating there wins
Don't care what anyone says .reckon we have a problem
There is a reason why we aren't successful .
I dont need to check the results to see that we lost, I dont need to watch the game to see that we lost, I dont need to read a paper to see that we have lost
Do you know how I know that we have lost?
IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE POSTING YOUR stuffing rubbish ON THIS FORUM AGAIN
Thats how I tell when we have lost
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Barring an unlikely loss to Melbourne, Dimma has survived the scrutiny for a few more weeks.
Well done Dimma. Golf claps all around.
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Gotta laugh when supporters think that they are doing it tougher than the coach. NFI
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Gotta laugh when supporters think that they are doing it tougher than the coach. NFI
Oh look its the moral guardian of all things RFC lol.... youre a clown HRT. ;D
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Oh look its a xxxx!
Do you think Hardwick isn't doing it tough right now? Doesn't care or isn't doing everything to try and turn season around?
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Yes I'm sure we've been paying him next to nothing to coach the side for the last 4 and a bit years. Meanwhile some of us stupid, ungrateful supporters have only paid thousands out of our own pockets to support this club through one failure after another for a mere 34 years....no comparison really....
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interesting to hear michael voss saying marc murphy should talk to malthouse and say player a b c are not good enough
one would think deledio and cotchin would be feeling this this
missed this post, was a real eye opener hearing him say that! Basically said the Captain should tell players who don't give their all "Im going to tell the coach I cant play with you, bc I don't trust you". He was then asked if he'd done it in his career as captain and his response was ABSOLUTELY!
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interesting to hear michael voss saying marc murphy should talk to malthouse and say player a b c are not good enough
one would think deledio and cotchin would be feeling this this
missed this post, was a real eye opener hearing him say that! Basically said the Captain should tell players who don't give their all "Im going to tell the coach I cant play with you, bc I don't trust you". He was then asked if he'd done it in his career as captain and his response was ABSOLUTELY!
Wow!
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Yep heard that, it was fantastic listening :thumbsup
Also love the audio grab they play often AbsoLUTely :shh
Would love maric to walk up to grigg and co, corner them in the locker room and say in his relaxed speaking voice, "i cant play with you, pack your bags, and dont come back shemales" :shh
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Yep heard that, it was fantastic listening :thumbsup
Also love the audio grab they play often AbsoLUTely :shh
Would love maric to walk up to grigg and co, corner them in the locker room and say in his relaxed speaking voice, "i cant play with you, pack your bags, and dont come back shemales" :shh
:lol :clapping :clapping :lol
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On this topic and lets say hardwick was sacked.... Who Would you recommend as a new coach??
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^ I hope he doesnt, but he needs to make some tough calls
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On this topic and lets say hardwick was sacked.... Who Would you recommend as a new coach??
Crazy Vossy!! :lol :lol :lol
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I wanna hear Clarksons view on Hardwicks shortcomings as a coach.
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Rance Morris cotch lids vlastuin Conca etc seem to be prepared to cop proper physical injury for the yellow and black
Dare I say Grigg houli Chaplin and friends seem to not be going full tilt
It's hard not to wonder what the less soft players think of the squib acts and general lack of run, bravery, passion, will to want to dowel etc
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I wanna hear Clarksons view on Hardwicks shortcomings as a coach.
You know something? What am I missing??
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I haven't been on this site since the Finals defeat last September. At the time I stated that I was finished with the Club - nothing has changed. I was also part of a 'Sack Hardwick' thread that was commenced late in the 2012 Season. I had noticed his so-called 'game-plan' unravelling against Freo at the 'G' and during a close win against Melbourne. We lost to GC the next week. Hardwick's contract extension this year will go down as one of the greatest in a long list of management blunders. I fear it will also be a financially costly one when we are forced to sack him either at the end of this year or early in 2015. I still 'follow' the Tigers but I am not a member nor do I attend games anymore. I'll not pay 1 cent towards the wages of these fools. Out of 7 past members (for many years) in my family only one 1, '3 game' member remains. He says this is his last season. BTW I don't blame the players.
Was hoping you took a long walk off a short pier. Oh well I'm sure you're enjoying your feed as all trolls do
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Yes I'm sure we've been paying him next to nothing to coach the side for the last 4 and a bit years. Meanwhile some of us stupid, ungrateful supporters have only paid thousands out of our own pockets to support this club through one failure after another for a mere 34 years....no comparison really....
You could have stopped at any time if you felt that badly about it. Nobody is holding a gun to your head. We've all paid plenty of cash over the years but why moan about it after the fact.
Despite us not playing in a Grand final for some time, I have experienced some great moments supporting this great club of ours for 45 years and they have been worth every cent I have paid to the club in Memberships and Merchandise. the 1980 Grand Final, Sitting in the Old southern stand Round 12 1988 watching us in last place on the ladder beating the Blues who were 2nd. In 2001 when we beat the Dogs by 2 points a docklands. A crucial win to consolidate our run into the finals that year. There are plenty more I could mention but I think you get where I am coming from.
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Seriously this guys job must be on the line, I'd doesn't even look like these players are committed, skilled or that they even want to play.
I am actually beginning to despise the RFC and what it apparently stands for.
Wtf r u going on about
See todays game clown, that's WTF I am going on about and its about time you and some of the blind supporters starting seeing it too.
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I honestly think it's the players. but then again if Roos can do this to melbourne then a good coach can change us. Hardwick must be.
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Time to go Dimma .
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It's not the players it's clearly the Coach.
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the line continues, instead of investing for the greater good of the club, they start thinking about a contract extension and start going the shortcut route.
next!
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Sack Hardwick & Sack the President.
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Didn't some genius give this clown a 2 year extension
Dear me
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SACK HARDWICK :banghead
DISGRACE!
Lost v Western Bulldogs
Lost v Melbourne
ENOUGH WITH THE EXCUSES!
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His lost the players now it seems
His gone very soon
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The players and supporters have no idea what the vision is?
Where are our strengths?
We have none. Our game plan is non existent and not up to modern day football.
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Problem with our footy club is we put up with this garbage
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what made me leave early was the way we kick to a player near the mark, they did it all day, kick the stuffing thing 55 metres to the next contest. It happened all day so the coach is not doing anything to stop it. SACK HIM TONIGHT
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Have never agreed with this tread but it is clear we need a new direction coaching wise.
Hardwick has lost the players and we need another rebuild as 15 players out there today aren't up to it
As a supporter I am absolutely gutted by what is served up every week.
If we don't make 6 changes this week (may as well play the youngsters) I am not going to or going to watch another game this year.
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Just had a 5 min chat with Pres Peggy outside the ground
Discussed Hardwicks contract .
Can tell you
We are in the wrong hands as she has no idea
She thinks are ok
There lies a problem
Would Eddie put up with this ?
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We need a strong leader that demands the best and doesn't accept anything less than excellence.
A coach that hates mediocrity with the passion to stand behind the team ethos of striving for success. One who is ruthless in his demands for excellent practice attitude and application. One that doesn't bend or buckle until the ultimate prize is won.
This new leader mustn't be swayed by popular opinion or frenzied over enthusiasm that have brought about false hope.
This new leader must be such that everyone who enters the gates of the club knows that regardless of ability you are required to attain a standard that benchmarks the competition and sets them apart from any other team. They shall be known as the team of no compromise in its fanaticism for success.
Hardwick isn't this man and even if he was when he came he has certainly shown in recent years that he wasn't prepared to stand by his earlier convictions.
He's been bitten by Tigeritis and is a lost cause and another on the coaching graveyard that is the Richmond football club.
Another one bites the dust.
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Club should be trying to get someone in like Brian Cook to come in and takeover as CEO.
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Game plan is horrible and always has been!
Hardwick is THE problem!
He is soft towards the players and has NO MORE EXCUSES!
Dustin Martin, Nick Vlastuin, Ben Lennon, David Astbury, Alex Rance, Matt McDonough, Trent Cotchin, Jack Reiwoldt, Stephen Morris AT least had a crack and tackled, ran and took ownership of the football!
Everyone else including Brett Deledio should be ashamed of themselves!
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Just had a 5 min chat with Pres Peggy outside the ground
Discussed Hardwicks contract .
Can tell you
We are in the wrong hands as she has no idea
She thinks are ok
There lies a problem
Would Eddie put up with this ?
she didnt did she
dear me
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Peggy can get stuffed.
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I wont be voting for any of the people currently in the board. Enough is enough. They have to show some leadership. Its about time they actually did their jobs and actually looked at the real performance of the administrative and playing staff who are taking the pee out of everybody.
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The problem is this.
1995 made finals didn't give the coach an extra year.
2001 we made finals on the back of some good footy in 2000.
Extended the contract coach players everyone went backwards.
Same thing with Dimma. Worked hard to get us t where we were 12/13 and with the extension we have gone backwards in all facets. Spud Frawley mark 2.
My daughter is 3 and she will be a teenager when we next make finals.
Club is repeating recent history and making the same mistakes over and over.
Need a big fish coach plain and simple someone who aint Malthouse and topping up his super but someone like when Matthews went to Brisbane be cold and calculating and prove he can coach and can change cultures within clubs and attitudes of players.
If Bomber is available at the end of the year throw Punt Rd at him. Dimma is either stuffed or he has lost the players. Either way after last year we should not be 2-6 now. Lose to GWS and Brissy is only holding us up. :help
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Look what Paul Roos has done to a basket case.
Look what Darren Lehman has done t with the Australian Cricket Team.
Don't like sacking coaches especially when it costs large $$ in pay outs.. but quality coaches get results. Quality coaches don't make finals and celebrate like the job is finished.
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Club should be trying to get someone in like Brian Cook to come in and takeover as CEO.
Right !!
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I hope we lose to GWS so he is sacked
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I hope we lose to GWS so he is sacked
and replaced by who? (or is tham whom? never worked that one out :lol)
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I hope we lose to GWS so he is sacked
and replaced by who? (or is tham whom? never worked that one out :lol)
By some bloke off the street. Would do a better job. How about Garry Ayres
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I hope we lose to GWS so he is sacked
and replaced by who? (or is tham whom? never worked that one out :lol)
Dermie ;D
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I hope we lose to GWS so he is sacked
and replaced by who? (or is tham whom? never worked that one out :lol)
Dermie ;D
Yep but he is too clever to want the job.
:lol
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How about Leigh Matthew?
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Need to not only sack him but beat the crap out of him as well
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We have not changed our game plan from last year and have been found out.
The season is gone now so time to experiment with players and style. It is a disgrace that we have failed to bring Miles in when we are losing the midfield battle every week. The stoppages have changed, our strength has become a weakness and we are not winning enough inside ball and not threading it through the congestion to get it to our outside runners. Realistically Thomas and Miles should play.
Hardwick is not inspiring the team and they are lost all confidence. where is our skills gone, where has our structure gone, where has our fight gone. We are a completely different team.
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enough is enough.
its not our job to figure out why we are 2 and 6. Nor is it our fault.
Whether its the gameplan, the players efforts, the drafting, or a combination, people need to be made accountable.
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The only good thing to come out of today is that the frauds will be exposed..........no where to hide for the coach and his pets
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Just had a 5 min chat with Pres Peggy outside the ground
Discussed Hardwicks contract .
Can tell you
We are in the wrong hands as she has no idea
She thinks are ok
There lies a problem
Would Eddie put up with this ?
she didnt did she
dear me
Yep .i also asked her to explain to my 11yo daughter who has been a paid up 3121 for the past 6 years why the Tiges aren't any good and why my daughter should go to the footy anymore
She couldn't
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enough is enough.
its not our job to figure out why we are 2 and 6. Nor is it our fault.
Whether its the gameplan, the players efforts, the drafting, or a combination, people need to be made accountable.
yeah but the people who we pay to work these things out are the problem themselves so we are stuffed. This isnt just about the coach. This is also about the administration that failed to reach its own goals 3-0-75, its about an administration to says yes to bringing in Chaplin and Grigg and Hamspster. Its about the fitness people who dont seem to have fit players
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Just had a 5 min chat with Pres Peggy outside the ground
Discussed Hardwicks contract .
Can tell you
We are in the wrong hands as she has no idea
She thinks are ok
There lies a problem
Would Eddie put up with this ?
What did you think she was going to say to you?
Did you really think she is going to say "Jack, you're right, I'll sack first thing tomorrow"
They will spin, they all spin.
Biggest spinner outside Dimma is Benny Gale
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Yep Benny has been talking the talk without walking the walk.
3-0-75 will be his waterloo.
The fans will crucify him quickly much like Greg Miller.
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Just had a 5 min chat with Pres Peggy outside the ground
Discussed Hardwicks contract .
Can tell you
We are in the wrong hands as she has no idea
She thinks are ok
There lies a problem
Would Eddie put up with this ?
What did you think she was going to say to you?
Did you really think she is going to say "Jack, you're right, I'll sack first thing tomorrow"
They will spin, they all spin.
Biggest spinner outside Dimma is Benny Gale
LMAO classic Jockstar right there
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Yep Benny has been talking the talk without walking the walk.
3-0-75 will be his waterloo.
The fans will crucify him quickly much like Greg Miller.
Think Benny's honeymoon is over.
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Yep Benny has been talking the talk without walking the walk.
3-0-75 will be his waterloo.
The fans will crucify him quickly much like Greg Miller.
come on guys get real with Benny Gale here.......WTF is he supposed to say up until now........it starts with the coach and half the cattle are stuffed.......
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Yep Benny has been talking the talk without walking the walk.
3-0-75 will be his waterloo.
The fans will crucify him quickly much like Greg Miller.
Think Benny's honeymoon is over.
Yep once results slide no admin person is safe at the club.
Sentiment changes quickly and the sad thing is 2010 all they had to go on was our good will as fans and our trust in them to turn it around. They have failed abysmally.
Today's result on a day a Club Immortal is being honoured proves this.
The rest of the year is academic results wise from my viewpoint.
You can't win today then don't write cheques your butts can't sign for the rest of the year.
The Skata Cycle. 32 Years and Counting. Plop Plop Plop.
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Just had a 5 min chat with Pres Peggy outside the ground
Discussed Hardwicks contract .
Can tell you
We are in the wrong hands as she has no idea
She thinks are ok
There lies a problem
Would Eddie put up with this ?
I'm pretty sure Eddie wouldn't out up with you either.
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Yep Benny has been talking the talk without walking the walk.
3-0-75 will be his waterloo.
The fans will crucify him quickly much like Greg Miller.
come on guys get real with Benny Gale here.......WTF is he supposed to say up until now........it starts with the coach and half the cattle are stuffed.......
Brendon needs to show some mettle and get rid of some people working at the club. For a start he should sack on Monday anyone who recommended Chaplin, Hampson or Grigg to the club, then he needs to do something about the fitness unit at the club coz our players arent fit, after he sacks them he should go down to the dressing rooms and hand out the Do Not Come Monday to Chaplin, Grigg, Hampson and any other dud on the clubs list. After he does that he should apologise to the supporters for failing to meet the 3-0-75 plan that he himself stated and then he should sack Hardwick. When he does all that he can stay if he doesnt then he can and work somewhere else as well. It was Steve Wright who delivered the facilities at Richmond whats Brendon delivered besides paying off the debt from supporter contributions?
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We have not changed our game plan from last year and have been found out.
Not sure about that Stripes. I reckon I've seen a distinct change in game style since the first practice match and it hasn't worked for us at any point. Chuck in the loss of confidence when it fails and you have the recipe for the current malaise that is RFC. We've gone waaaaaay more defensive this year and all that's done is negate our strengths and highlight our weaknesses. Result was always a foregone conclusion at that point (spoken from the wise position of hindsight).
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Just had a 5 min chat with Pres Peggy outside the ground
Discussed Hardwicks contract .
Can tell you
We are in the wrong hands as she has no idea
She thinks are ok
There lies a problem
Would Eddie put up with this ?
I'm pretty sure Eddie wouldn't out up with you either.
Before you bag me for my opinion
You might like to go and look at the ladder as see where we are smarty
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Yep Benny has been talking the talk without walking the walk.
3-0-75 will be his waterloo.
The fans will crucify him quickly much like Greg Miller.
come on guys get real with Benny Gale here.......WTF is he supposed to say up until now........it starts with the coach and half the cattle are stuffed.......
Brendon needs to show some mettle and get rid of some people working at the club. For a start he should sack on Monday anyone who recommended Chaplin, Hampson or Grigg to the club, then he needs to do something about the fitness unit at the club coz our players arent fit, after he sacks them he should go down to the dressing rooms and hand out the Do Not Come Monday to Chaplin, Grigg, Hampson and any other dud on the clubs list. After he does that he should apologise to the supporters for failing to meet the 3-0-75 plan that he himself stated and then he should sack Hardwick. When he does all that he can stay if he doesnt then he can and work somewhere else as well. It was Steve Wright who delivered the facilities at Richmond whats Brendon delivered besides paying off the debt from supporter contributions?p
yep agree with this. You must set stretching targets here the 3-0-75 was no doubt stretching but why set a pee poor mediocre target if we reach we will be satisfied with.....Now is the time for strong leadership at the top from Benny......tough decisions must be made for the good of the club
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Would Eddie put up with this ?
Honestly? Yeah he would actually
You and I both know that if the Pies were where we are right now he would do absolutely nothing because Nathan Buckley is in Eddie's world untouchable
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Would Eddie put up with this ?
Honestly? Yeah he would actually
You and I both know that if the Pies were where we are right now he would do absolutely nothing because Nathan Buckley is in Eddie's world untouchable
WP eddie wouldnt be in these shoes so no point even discussing it.
What is it. 10 years, 2 coaches and 1 final where we lost to 9th.
only that happens at the RFC. We have given 3 coaches 5 years each now its time to send Dimma on his way and be done with it.
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Would Eddie put up with this ?
Honestly? Yeah he would actually
You and I both know that if the Pies were where we are right now he would do absolutely nothing because Nathan Buckley is in Eddie's world untouchable
WP eddie wouldnt be in these shoes so no point even discussing it.
What is it. 10 years, 2 coaches and 1 final where we lost to 9th.
only that happens at the RFC. We have given 3 coaches 5 years each now its time to send Dimma on his way and be done with it.
3 5 year plans
4 finals for 1 win including a loss to a 9th placed side
every other side since 2000 has at least participated in 3 finals series for at least 3 wins.
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5 year plans - worked well for Jo Stalin.
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Would Eddie put up with this ?
Honestly? Yeah he would actually
You and I both know that if the Pies were where we are right now he would do absolutely nothing because Nathan Buckley is in Eddie's world untouchable
WP eddie wouldnt be in these shoes so no point even discussing it.
What is it. 10 years, 2 coaches and 1 final where we lost to 9th.
only that happens at the RFC. We have given 3 coaches 5 years each now its time to send Dimma on his way and be done with it.
Facts are Angus that Dimma isn't going to be sacked. My view has always been that while Benny is CEO then Dimma won't be sacked.
Although I am bloody angry at the moment because our season is now blown away completely (was after Hawthorn but today just nailed it shut) I am interested in seeing what Hardwick does. Seeing if has any guts at all
The remainder of this season is about whether he is prepared to finally rid us of those who have constantly let us down for the last 2+ season or whether he just continues to back his favourites.
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he'll probably drop Griffiths, McDonough, Lennon and any other kid who shows some potential lol whilst the likes of Grigg and co. get games irrespective of performance.
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he'll probably drop Griffiths, McDonough, Lennon and any other kid who shows some potential lol whilst the likes of Grigg and co. get games irrespective of performance.
If he does then the remaining two years of Dimma's tenure will mirror the final two years of Spud's.
Will be depressing to watch. Club on field will be virtually stuffed.
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he'll probably drop Griffiths, McDonough, Lennon and any other kid who shows some potential lol whilst the likes of Grigg and co. get games irrespective of performance.
If he does then the remaining two years of Dimma's tenure will mirror the final two years of Spud's.
Will be depressing to watch. Club on field will be virtually stuffed.
...and London to a brick Cotchin & Martin wouldn't be sticking around for the last year of it either.
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Mind you, who else on our coaching staff apart from Chocco, Lade has any credit? Look at other sides coaching staff, you see them and think I remember him he was half decent, Danny Daly????
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Sportsbet's pic on twitter tonight:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bn0Q6p1CQAATabQ.jpg)
https://twitter.com/sportsbetcomau/status/467548538046398464/photo/1
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Dimma so full of excuses, actions speak louder than words, if he just stood by these 2 mantra's when appointed, When its your turn to go you better go and If you cant kick you wont get a game the likes of grigg, hampson, chaplin, pettard, lonergan gone now, thomas hard at it but slow as a treacle and has poor skills, wouldn't have been recruited or getting regular games.....
Then their was trying dusty at half back, newy fwd, jack half fwd.....
The game plan god knows what it is....
Seriously how can some supporters/posters say give him a chance or cant sack coaches like old Richmond wtf we've given him 5 years, he cant coach, he has no systems, cant develope, keeps playing favourites, i luv my club joined up as a little tacker now a platinum member (30 years+) not sure how long i can put up with this rubbish....For the posters who keep defending him, well if u had a builder build ur house and they stuffed it up would u get them to build ur next house? thats what u need to ask urself....
Do i think he'll coach next year yep :help but we need to start sounding out prospective coaches, dimma will not take us to the promised land, surely most realise this....We've given him his chance unfortunately he has failed, Dany Daly and Mark 'not chocco' Williams need to go too....
To many players especially some of the senior players have had a bloody good ride, even when newy, king and Edwards were having shockers they were never dropped...Same goes for grigg & chaplin....
How Miles was not upgraded prior to the season is as baffling as hardwick saying 'we are a better side than last year'...
Make no mistakes about this we have the better list but they (dees) have the better coach, the better game plan, the better systems.
I am worried cause the dogs, dees and GC that we all beat last year have beaten us this year, they will surpass us FULLY in 1-2 years unless Hardwick does a tommy hafey "The one thing Tommy stood for as a coach" ...The words relentless and ruthless come to mind....
How bout this beauty at his presser today "Dees came to play and we didnt" :nopity Hmmm straight from hardwicks mouth during the week "There would be an emphasis on employing the traits, such as Hafey's determination to get the best out of himself, when the team runs out against the Demons" and "We've put special emphasis on that this week and we hope our boys respect him and bring that out in the game." ...Guess the players didn't follow the plan but hey this seems to be an occurring problem with no hard decisions being made at the selection table week in, week out....
As a supporter im guttered enough of the bullsh!t words i want ACTION....
Where is the spread, geez Melbourne run, spread just opened us up....As a supporter i could see that the team needed speed long time ago and other teams were recruiting speed but not dimma, also the Richmond game plan a thread i started 3 years ago shows our game style is just plain rubbish....And another thing that has irked me for some years is our tendency to simply bomb into our forward 50 how can no one see this in the coaches box and if they can why is it still happening....
I want to see Todd Elton, Helbig, Batch, Arnot, Dea and O'Hanlon given extended games thats been afforded to some of the under performing senior players....Gordon has one average game dropped....Its typical Dimma as like when Arnot got dropped after giving his all against the Hawks, thought there were worse than him but hey he's a youngster easy to drop....
If we as a club go by hafey's mantra Grigg and a few of his team mates would never get a game at Richmond "Hafey's determination to get the best out of himself"...To many players just float through their careers, if u want that go play somewhere else, time for Hardwick to show his hand, to show what he is made off, come on Dimma be ruthless, be relentless!!!
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Would Eddie put up with this ?
Honestly? Yeah he would actually
You and I both know that if the Pies were where we are right now he would do absolutely nothing because Nathan Buckley is in Eddie's world untouchable
WP eddie wouldnt be in these shoes so no point even discussing it.
What is it. 10 years, 2 coaches and 1 final where we lost to 9th.
only that happens at the RFC. We have given 3 coaches 5 years each now its time to send Dimma on his way and be done with it.
Correct.
It's not even that Eddie is great.
It's that richmond hasnt had presidential leadership since Graeme Richmond
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he'll probably drop Griffiths, McDonough, Lennon and any other kid who shows some potential lol whilst the likes of Grigg and co. get games irrespective of performance.
If he does then the remaining two years of Dimma's tenure will mirror the final two years of Spud's.
Will be depressing to watch. Club on field will be virtually stuffed.
Agreed, I hope you're wrong Tucker.
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Would Eddie put up with this ?
Just a technicality, GR was never president.....
Honestly? Yeah he would actually
You and I both know that if the Pies were where we are right now he would do absolutely nothing because Nathan Buckley is in Eddie's world untouchable
WP eddie wouldnt be in these shoes so no point even discussing it.
What is it. 10 years, 2 coaches and 1 final where we lost to 9th.
only that happens at the RFC. We have given 3 coaches 5 years each now its time to send Dimma on his way and be done with it.
Correct.
It's not even that Eddie is great.
It's that richmond hasnt had presidential leadership since Graeme Richmond
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/damien-hardwick-has-backing-at-richmond-but-its-time-the-coach-got-ruthless-with-his-players/story-fndv8t7m-1226923164712
Not sure if I agree with oracle robbo
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/damien-hardwick-has-backing-at-richmond-but-its-time-the-coach-got-ruthless-with-his-players/story-fndv8t7m-1226923164712
Not sure if I agree with oracle robbo
Not sure if it's the same on everyone's computer but that link in the middle with Deledio is cut short to read "Brett Deledio baffled by Richmond Tiger's poo....."! :lol
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:lol
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Coach making journos laugh at jack
Good leadership ?
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Divisive. Not a great idea
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Bump
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Double bump.
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wacko coach.
No Leppetsch or Campbell = Hardwick has no stuffing idea. Just wants to be mates with everyone. Weak as
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Something has to change.
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This blokes gotta go. Wait till seasons end and pay him out his final year. Not good enough
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Would rather lose than lose over a million bucks in paying a contract out. Start by sacking a few players.
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This side is better than this, yeah we could do with sacking a few players, but we're close to full strength and dishing out this crap. He's done his dash, need to FHO, cant be bothered wasting another year in 2015, theres enough talent there to turn it around quickly.
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Would rather lose than lose over a million bucks in paying a contract out. Start by sacking a few players.
The same players he keeps picking every week? How the f:;k isn't Miles in this team?
We get beat before we even run out.
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Feel sorry for him after the Rance brain implosion
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Seriously ... players don't believe in him anymore ... it is evident!
Sack Hardwick NOW!
3 goals to three quarter time? Please ... get this soft muppet out of Richmond!
Go hug a tree Hardwick.
Jack Riewoldt is right!
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Feel sorry for him after the Rance brain implosion
Hardwick?
One mistake from Rance hasn't lost us this game.
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Another Nail in the Coffin.......
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This side is better than this, yeah we could do with sacking a few players, but we're close to full strength and dishing out this crap. He's done his dash, need to FHO, cant be bothered wasting another year in 2015, theres enough talent there to turn it around quickly.
They are an average list bottom 4 IMHO. The list management at Richmond has been a disgrace.
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we aere one clean out from having a young vibrant list. reckon we're a 7-12 list personally
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Hardwick said the majority of the talent was out on the park and won't really entertain bringing in new players. Vickery may be looked at but that's it.
Where is the competition for spots and 'depth' we drafted for with all these recycled hacks. Why is Aaron Edwards and Petterd on the list?? How wrong the club got it.
Great message to send out if your talented you'll play until you eventually fins form. No accountability what so ever if u don't perform at your best. Just all mates giving chances until it hopefully happens.. amateurs.
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He's still coaching for as many wins possible.
If Miles, Elton, Arnot, O'Hanlon, Helbig, Batchelor etc can't get games no one will.
Dimma has got his best 22-27 and is not deviating from that.
I'm even fearful that past our first pick in the draft they are looking to top up just like Spud did.
It's like we are half way through 2002 the year after our last drought breaking finals campaign, but this is Richmond and failure is what people recognise us with and what makes the club tick.
The Skata Cycle. 32 Years and still counting. Plop Plop Plop.
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Just reminding everyone that we could of had Ken Hinkley .
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Get Woosha!!! :thumbsup
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Just reminding everyone that we could of had Ken Hinkley .
Hinkley would be in exactly the same predicament as Hardwick is now. The club has made shocking errors of judgement on key appointments and recruiting and whilst Hardwick is at fault for playing the duds brought in for him from other clubs, I get the feeling Hinkley would also sink if he was coaching Richmond at the current time. We got to fix the personnel at the club. The club has made poor appointments on a range of fronts and each time they make a wrong appointment, further bad decision making takes place which plunges us further into the deepest recesses of failure. No coach can succeed at Richmond with the way things are at the moment.
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Get Campbell
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Get Campbell
get stuffed.. :lol
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Get Campbell
Not yet, l support Hardwick to coach this club & make some very hard calls this week. If those calls ain't made this week l will call Campbell myself ;D
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Get Campbell
Not yet, l support Hardwick to coach this club & make some very hard calls this week. If those calls ain't made this week l will call Campbell myself ;D
Now your the next GR.... Monky your a star ;D
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Just reminding everyone that we could of had Ken Hinkley .
Hinkley would be in exactly the same predicament as Hardwick is now. The club has made shocking errors of judgement on key appointments and recruiting and whilst Hardwick is at fault for playing the duds brought in for him from other clubs, I get the feeling Hinkley would also sink if he was coaching Richmond at the current time. We got to fix the personnel at the club. The club has made poor appointments on a range of fronts and each time they make a wrong appointment, further bad decision making takes place which plunges us further into the deepest recesses of failure. No coach can succeed at Richmond with the way things are at the moment.
Nup
Hinkley is like Lyon and roos
Would have been in a far better position now than under the dimma
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They just said on 3AW...They just said Dimma was there was there for two and a half more years.... :banghead :banghead :banghead
TM, how much longer do we have to wait for these hard decisions. I agree not to shoot the coach but the time has come.
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They just said on 3AW...They just said Dimma was there was there for two and a half more years.... :banghead :banghead :banghead
TM, how much longer do we have to wait for these hard decisions. I agree not to shoot the coach but the time has come.
Club has to make a call on the perfomance of the list management, some assistant coaches, the recruiters and the fitness staff as a first up call. That should buy them enough time to get to the end of the year. In the meantime they should seek new people in all these roles and make sure they get these appointments correct. They cant afford to sack Hardwick.
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You will see some changes this week.
The sharp axe is ready. Hampson & Griffiths have already been hit ;D
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I think he overcoaches the side - sucked all their natural flair and football nouse out of them. Also bought in too many dour types in his own image. Has turned us beige. When we play exciting football it's in spite of him not because of him.
Was also staggered that we persisted with zone defence & coralling the entire night. Was staggered nobody showed enough on field leadership to say "stuff the instructions, let's just man up these pricks." Maybe they were trying to prove a point with some kind of work-to-rule protest. If that's the case I'd prefer we show the coach his flaws by demonstrating to him what does work.
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Charlie Cameron from Adelaide off the rookie list. Would love a small forward with some toe...
But we trade a 2nd round pick to Carlton for Hampson.
When will we ever learn..
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Could see this year coming as soon as I heard the club say that last year's draft was shallow and they were only going to take a minimum. Total cop-out and lazy half-arsed recruiting with a defeatist, it's-all-too-hard-trying-to identify-and-develop -kids-after-round-one-we-suck-at-it -anyway-so-why-bother air about it, combined with overrating our list and vuala! 2002 & 2009 all over again.
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Could see this year coming as soon as I heard the club say that last year's draft was shallow and they were only going to take a minimum. Total cop-out and lazy half-arsed recruiting with a defeatist, it's-all-too-hard-trying-to identify-and-develop -kids-after-round-one-we-suck-at-it -anyway-so-why-bother air about it, combined with overrating our list and vuala! 2002 & 2009 all over again.
Agree! :clapping :clapping
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Who is responsible for putting this list together and recruiting all these rejects from other clubs it's our football department full stop that's who I blame.Last 2 years they went of the trend building with kids in the draft and recruited to many has beens and got ahead of themselves on our list and making finals and resigning dimma to a 3 year contract.
Don't come tell me our coaches never got our preseason wrong.First of we a not fit enough and then this crap game plan going backwards,stop start etc.If anything fine tune the game plan we did well with it last season.We lost 2 assistants the club didn't replace either that was baffling decision.We have choco at the club so much experience great footy brains he should be dimmas right hand man in the box instead he's a development coach on the bench.We get Dan Richardson as our football manager a guy who was a player manager what does he bring to the club? Go for Neil Balme,Chris Bond etc.Football department has no idea.
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Damien the incapacitator
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Damien the incapacitator
:banghead
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You will see some changes this week.
The sharp axe is ready. Hampson & Griffiths have already been hit ;D
blah blah b;ah too little too late, the precedents have been set the past 3-4 years... by doing it now it just confuses the poor little souls
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He can sharpen as many axes as he likes, the list management strategy at Richmond has been a disgrace and its left us with a dearth of quality junior players that can come in. Whoever runs list management at Richmond should hang his head in shame.
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list manager aint the sole culprit here.
Theyre just the coaches shitman and ultimately source the type of player that fk n idiot coach wants.
wacko rejects, like him
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spot on oxx
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list manager aint the sole culprit here.
Theyre just the coaches pooman and ultimately source the type of player that fk n idiot coach wants.
wacko rejects, like him
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Nah not the sole culprit, I have others in the frame, and these people have been listed on multiple occassions. To be honest it doesnt matter anymore because next year thousands of people wont sign up and when they come calling, Ill just do what they done to us and thats just hang up.
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Nah not the sole culprit, I have others in the frame, and these people have been listed on multiple occassions. To be honest it doesnt matter anymore because next year thousands of people wont sign up and when they come calling, Ill just do what they done to us and thats just hang up.
Will you re-sign if they send you a paper form early?
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Nah not the sole culprit, I have others in the frame, and these people have been listed on multiple occassions. To be honest it doesnt matter anymore because next year thousands of people wont sign up and when they come calling, Ill just do what they done to us and thats just hang up.
Will you re-sign if they send you a paper form early?
My current inclination is that I will not be a member next year. I dont see why I should be putting my money into this club when they are just going to waste it on paying duds on the playing list and paying overrated administrators who havent produced anything for the Richmond FC in terms of success.
If I wont rejoin that will be the first time in I dont know how long, I will lose my years of membership, but there has to be some principal involved in the whole thing and my view is that the club and the administration is just taking the pee out of the membership base.
They will need to show real improvement between now and the end of the year and they will need to show real intent when it comes to recruiting and trading. If they recruit more hacks I wont be rejoining if they recruit a couple of big names then Ill probably be back. I want to have something to watch when I watch the footy, at the moment we have nothing.
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With this season a write-off, the off-season is now my biggest concern (Draft the highlight of our year as always) The worry is that we've snookered ourselves yet again with our incompetent list management and blokes like Arnot & McIntosh will get the bullet brecause we're comitted to the likes of Grigg & Shankwards....and because Dumma loves Thomas. Darrou will get delisted because we have Chaplin and we'll assume injury-prone Astbury will come good and we'll just get some kid in the draft that's another 3 years behind Darrou.
Hamspud 2 more years - see ya later Elton.
Foley will get another year. Another kid misses out.
You watch selfish idiot Newman tell the club he wants to go around again and then watch our idiot club indulge him. Another spot denied to a kid or cost McDonough his spot.
So instead of having the current kids taking the step up with some new kids to learn in the VFL we'll basically have the same old duds and a bunch of even younger, less experienced kids to back them up. Then we'll wonder why they don't develop and Richmond will remain the home of the most stretched out amatuer hour in Australian professional sport.
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Nah not the sole culprit, I have others in the frame, and these people have been listed on multiple occassions. To be honest it doesnt matter anymore because next year thousands of people wont sign up and when they come calling, Ill just do what they done to us and thats just hang up.
Will you re-sign if they send you a paper form early?
My current inclination is that I will not be a member next year. I dont see why I should be putting my money into this club when they are just going to waste it on paying duds on the playing list and paying overrated administrators who havent produced anything for the Richmond FC in terms of success.
If I wont rejoin that will be the first time in I dont know how long, I will lose my years of membership, but there has to be some principal involved in the whole thing and my view is that the club and the administration is just taking the pee out of the membership base.
They will need to show real improvement between now and the end of the year and they will need to show real intent when it comes to recruiting and trading. If they recruit more hacks I wont be rejoining if they recruit a couple of big names then Ill probably be back. I want to have something to watch when I watch the footy, at the moment we have nothing.
I understand you completely Ramps. Feel the same way! They are a rabble at the moment without direction.
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Foley has two more years Diocletian.
We are stuffed.
Add Bargain Basement Blair Hartless Boom Recruits.
Spud mark 2 12 years on.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop.©
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Foley has two more years Diocletian.
We are stuffed.
stuffing ridiculous. One of the players - think it was Deledio - said during the week that getting him back was like getting another first rounder, same poo Hardwick said three years ago. Was ludicrous then, now it's just laughable. Club still thinking the 07-08 model Foley will resurface. By the time he's finally finished, we would've hung on to him even longer than we hung on to Coughlan. It's stuffing comical.
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Foley has two more years Diocletian.
We are stuffed.
Add Bargain Basement Blair Hartless Boom Recruits.
Spud mark 2 12 years on.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop.©
add to the agony with Titch Edwards & Hampson as well as Grigg & Houli ;D its sad :lol
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Nearly half time, GWS are beating Hawks by 7 points at the MCG...
If the mob we beat by 100 points last week can come to the MCG and be beating the reigning premiers inter state then it just shows you the perfect example of mentality is the biggest thing that is costing weak football sides. The best sides aren't always the best lists, aren't always the best tactics but the strongest club mentality will always be the number 1 factor in successful sides.
We are weak as pee mentality. We have some heroes that get ahead of themselves, we have a weak coach who can't change a mindset when things are challenged, never has had a plan B to counter act an opponent. We are one of the best teams when we get a run on (down hill skiers) but struggle when it gets tough and when the opponent has momentum. Worst of all we are the number 1 targeted team for pressure. We get pressured and we poo ourselves. Happens every week, other clubs see this and chuckle at how easy it is to beat us. Mentally weak.
We need an absolute rocket up the club, need some hard nosed steely mentally strong people at the club both in field and in the box. Leadership and Strong mentality is the key for us. Everything else is irrelevant atm. We need some strong minds in the coaches box, every club has a gun assistant coaches. Ours are pathetically lame.
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Nah not the sole culprit, I have others in the frame, and these people have been listed on multiple occassions. To be honest it doesnt matter anymore because next year thousands of people wont sign up and when they come calling, Ill just do what they done to us and thats just hang up.
Will you re-sign if they send you a paper form early?
My current inclination is that I will not be a member next year. I dont see why I should be putting my money into this club when they are just going to waste it on paying duds on the playing list and paying overrated administrators who havent produced anything for the Richmond FC in terms of success.
If I wont rejoin that will be the first time in I dont know how long, I will lose my years of membership, but there has to be some principal involved in the whole thing and my view is that the club and the administration is just taking the pee out of the membership base.
They will need to show real improvement between now and the end of the year and they will need to show real intent when it comes to recruiting and trading. If they recruit more hacks I wont be rejoining if they recruit a couple of big names then Ill probably be back. I want to have something to watch when I watch the footy, at the moment we have nothing.
Hear you Ramps.
I will remain a member but at what level is the question
Do they get the same $$$ they've got this year? It is a significant amount, surprised myself this morning when I worked how much I'm talking about.
Right now they won't be, they disrespect me the way they are, continue to be dishonest towards its members then they don't deserve my respect or loyalty
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Will pull my FTF payments and down grade my membership to a 3 game membership and just watch the game on Fox Footy next year for mine.
Real shame, as with the 2's being at Punt Road, going to the footy should have been an absolute day out this year. Have not had 1 single positive day at the footy yet. 2 wins on the road and a get out of jail vs Carlton is all we have to show for all our investment.
I can deal with losing, I can deal with us being 'Richmond' but I can't handle being unentertained and having to put up with wacko players and coaches been given big contract extensions when they don't deserve it. Makes me sick we couldn't keep a Matthew White who grew up barracking for Richmond yet we can resign Shane Edwards for 2 more years when he would be lucky to play at any top 8 club....
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I'll keep my membership but as others have intimated other than my membership and such they get nothing from me and I will indicate that each time the club calls me to "sell".
I want my mid year survey from the club.
We got two last year one in June one post season.
Wonder if the club has the same intentions. :shh
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getting him back was like getting another first rounder, same poo Hardwick said three years ago.
JON was a 1st rounder, maybe they meant a 1st rounder like that. :rollin
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getting him back was like getting another first rounder, same poo Hardwick said three years ago.
JON was a 1st rounder, maybe they meant a 1st rounder like that. :rollin
And Foley is still not the worse person on our list.
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:lol
:thumbsup
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You would make more money / loss less money
By sacking hardwick, hiring a good coach
Due to potential loss of memberships and sponsors during the next few years ....
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You would make more money / loss less money
By sacking hardwick, hiring a good coach
Due to potential loss of memberships and sponsors during the next few years ....
Yes but a loss in membership may mean a steady decline in income that can be budgeted for, a multi million dollar payout is immediate, not budgeted for and would probably have to be borrowed therefore attracting interest payments. It would cost us plenty.
Also, we have a definite problem in attracting the best coaches to our club, another sacking would compound that problem.
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Richo spot on
Which descent coach (non rookie) would want to coach our pathetic club
Woosha. Haha please
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You would make more money / loss less money
By sacking hardwick, hiring a good coach
Due to potential loss of memberships and sponsors during the next few years ....
Yes but a loss in membership may mean a steady decline in income that can be budgeted for, a multi million dollar payout is immediate, not budgeted for and would probably have to be borrowed therefore attracting interest payments. It would cost us plenty.
Also, we have a definite problem in attracting the best coaches to our club, another sacking would compound that problem.
Why is it better to lose money slow rather than. Fast via budgeting for it?
How do we budget - employee less gym staff or toilets at Po?
Lack of ambition cause interest payments are holding us back...
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You can always drip feed people you "owe"
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Time on. Ground
Rank Name Games Average
1 Troy Chaplin 10 100.00
2 Alex Rance 5 98.20
3 Jack Riewoldt 10 95.00
4 David Astbury 8 92.62
5 Benjamin Griffiths 9 89.44
6 Tyrone Vickery 7 86.86
7 Shaun Grigg 10 86.70
8 Brandon Ellis 10 85.90
9 Brett Deledio 6 85.67
10 Bachar Houli 10 83.70
:facepalm :facepalm
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If people are frustrated with Hardwick's over-reliance on zones then, considering the rule changes he's just proposed, the last coach we need is Worsfield.
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You would make more money / loss less money
By sacking hardwick, hiring a good coach
Due to potential loss of memberships and sponsors during the next few years ....
Yes but a loss in membership may mean a steady decline in income that can be budgeted for, a multi million dollar payout is immediate, not budgeted for and would probably have to be borrowed therefore attracting interest payments. It would cost us plenty.
Also, we have a definite problem in attracting the best coaches to our club, another sacking would compound that problem.
Why is it better to lose money slow rather than. Fast via budgeting for it?
How do we budget - employee less gym staff or toilets at Po?
Lack of ambition cause interest payments are holding us back...
Do you remember SOS? We will head back down that path. 2 million bucks gone in an instant must be better then 2 million lost over a period of time.
Anyway, my main points is, you can have all the ambition in the world but facts are no decent coach wants to come near us as there has been little job security. Sacking another coach will only reinforce that perception.
Let him see out his contract, give us two more years to go after the best man available and save ourselves a couple of mill. Or wait till he resigns.
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SOS was before billion dollar TV rights
Are we not in a ddifferentera bnow?
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SOS was before billion dollar TV rights
Are we not in a ddifferentera bnow?
We are in a different era, one where players get 10 million/ nine year deals, staffing levels that have exploded, stadium deals that rip clubs off. Costs have grown exponentially along with incomes so it is still easy to incur debt. We had to rattle tins to clear our debt not long ago (FTF).
Who was the coach we chased when Dimma got the job but refused our advances because of our history of sacking coaches?
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SOS was before billion dollar TV rights
Are we not in a ddifferentera bnow?
We are in a different era, one where players get 10 million/ nine year deals, staffing levels that have exploded, stadium deals that rip clubs off. Costs have grown exponentially along with incomes so it is still easy to incur debt. We had to rattle tins to clear our debt not long ago (FTF).
Who was the coach we chased when Dimma got the job but refused our advances because of our history of sacking coaches?
I think you're thinking of Bomber Thompson rejecting us when we wanted him and were left with Spud Frawley.
Nobody rejected us when Dimma was appointed. We went through a process and it came down to 2 candidates, Dimma and Hinkley. We rejected Hinkley....
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SOS was before billion dollar TV rights
Are we not in a ddifferentera bnow?
We are in a different era, one where players get 10 million/ nine year deals, staffing levels that have exploded, stadium deals that rip clubs off. Costs have grown exponentially along with incomes so it is still easy to incur debt. We had to rattle tins to clear our debt not long ago (FTF).
Who was the coach we chased when Dimma got the job but refused our advances because of our history of sacking coaches?
No one, dimma was our number 1 pick.
We chased bomber thompson back in 99 or whatever it was and he rejected us, the only one who wanted to coach us then was Spud. Things have changed now. We're a much better resourced club with a track record of giving coaches ample time to perform than we were even 5 years ago let alone 15
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Yeah that's right, thanks.
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Afl offered norf 100 million to go to Queensland ...
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Afl offered norf 100 million to go to Queensland ...
Well we should take it.....and sack coaches to our heart's content.
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These are the conversations we have at RFC every so often because we are hopeless.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
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That whole 'skata' thing is very repetitive. Think you kids need some new material. :sleep
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That whole 'skata' thing is very repetitive. Think you kids need some new material. :sleep
I guess that's why he calls it a cycle... :whistle
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That whole 'skata' thing is very repetitive. Think you kids need some new material. :sleep
So has 32 years of failure. Reckon the RFC need to adopt a new philosophy also.
When they do. The toilet will flush.
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I smell something stinky
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Sad thing is, the tigers repeat the same mistakes over and over. Doesn't matter the coach. As soon as the pressure is on, they go with a defensive possession style game plan to reduce blowouts, they stick fat to their tried (and failed) senior players, they put next weeks win ahead of future success in an attempt to prolong their appointment, they recruit accordingly, they play injured players and the cycle repeats.
I wanted Hardwick gone three years ago. At that point you could see that he was not going to deliver anything more than our previous coaches. He is a terrible match day coach, he doesn't motivate the players, the training is poor, his list management has been poor and the one area you expected him to be strong in, "toughness", he has always been soft on his favorites.
Hinkley had an immediate impact. Roos had an immediate impact. You can instantly see their game plan, what they are trying to achieve. The players are well drilled, they demand standards, they make bold recruiting decisions, they show leadership and direction.
The media lambasted the tigers for eating their own for so many years. But outside of Bartlett, none of the coaches have deserved their tenure at the helm of Richmond. Northey was the only one of our recent coaches who understood that the game plan should match the strengths of the playing list. Had he been around for the Fitzroy merger, history might have treated him differently. He (like Bartlett) was a great motivator. it doesn't matter if Hardwick has lost the players or not. They aren't playing for him.
Take away the 15 years wasted on Frawley, Wallace and Hardwick and you could have tried another three or four coaches. Despite our mediocre administration, we might have accidentally succeeded in picking a decent one. How could they have extended Hardwicks contract without a finals clause in there? They need an external perspective because clearly their personal relationships are affecting their objectivity.
There doesn't appear to be much in the way of good coaches available but we could do worse than trying someone like Ling. The club has never been in a better position off the field in terms of finances, facilities etc. With a strong team around him, he has the credentials to deliver change.
The cost of keeping Hardwick is mounting up in excess of paying out his contract with each Richmond fan that refuses to go and watch the non competitive football he is putting out. I really hope Benny Gale and co are actively looking at options behind the scenes and not trying to protect their own jobs. I can forgive them all their mistakes if they deliver this club a decent coach.
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Bet clarkson is sick of hawthorn
Old list
Needs a new challenge
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Sad thing is, the tigers repeat the same mistakes over and over. Doesn't matter the coach. As soon as the pressure is on, they go with a defensive possession style game plan to reduce blowouts, they stick fat to their tried (and failed) senior players, they put next weeks win ahead of future success in an attempt to prolong their appointment, they recruit accordingly, they play injured players and the cycle repeats.
I wanted Hardwick gone three years ago. At that point you could see that he was not going to deliver anything more than our previous coaches. He is a terrible match day coach, he doesn't motivate the players, the training is poor, his list management has been poor and the one area you expected him to be strong in, "toughness", he has always been soft on his favorites.
Hinkley had an immediate impact. Roos had an immediate impact. You can instantly see their game plan, what they are trying to achieve. The players are well drilled, they demand standards, they make bold recruiting decisions, they show leadership and direction.
The media lambasted the tigers for eating their own for so many years. But outside of Bartlett, none of the coaches have deserved their tenure at the helm of Richmond. Northey was the only one of our recent coaches who understood that the game plan should match the strengths of the playing list. Had he been around for the Fitzroy merger, history might have treated him differently. He (like Bartlett) was a great motivator. it doesn't matter if Hardwick has lost the players or not. They aren't playing for him.
Take away the 15 years wasted on Frawley, Wallace and Hardwick and you could have tried another three or four coaches. Despite our mediocre administration, we might have accidentally succeeded in picking a decent one. How could they have extended Hardwicks contract without a finals clause in there? They need an external perspective because clearly their personal relationships are affecting their objectivity.
There doesn't appear to be much in the way of good coaches available but we could do worse than trying someone like Ling. The club has never been in a better position off the field in terms of finances, facilities etc. With a strong team around him, he has the credentials to deliver change.
The cost of keeping Hardwick is mounting up in excess of paying out his contract with each Richmond fan that refuses to go and watch the non competitive football he is putting out. I really hope Benny Gale and co are actively looking at options behind the scenes and not trying to protect their own jobs. I can forgive them all their mistakes if they deliver this club a decent coach.
i agree with most of that.
on the coaches and sackings. mate in 2000 everybody bar frawley didnt want the job we couldnt get decent people to come to the club no matter what we did. we followed that up with wallace and i reckon we showed after wallace that we were prepared to stick with coaches give em time.it was a process we had to go thru to give ourselves a chance of getting good people to the club.
hardwick yrs well id say with the list he started with making finals last yr was an over achievment. i certainly thought it would take 5 yrs to play finals. how the hell do you sack a bloke who has taken you to finals for the first time in 12 yrs. what we got wrong was give him an extension instead of waiting till his contract got close to an end.
on melbourne well i reckon they had some talent there and were performing way below what they should have been. i for one thought they would improve a fair bit last yr and it didnt happen. yep roos is a good coach but lets be real here they have won how many games this yr. of course they have improved they couldnt be any worse could they.
me i dont blame the coach. i blame those responsible for the areas they are in charge of. yeah hardwick has been poor but its other things that have hurt us more imo.
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Bet clarkson is sick of hawthorn
Old list
Needs a new challenge
clarkson would fail at richmond because you need well rounded players to implement his style. i dont get it sack the coack and blame him for list management and recruiting and development. we have people in charge of these areas blame them.
yes i agree hardwick has got plenty wrong he made mistakes game day hes tried a game plan that cant work with the players we have he has been and remains slow to change he perseveres with underperforming players. these thingss and more he deserves criticism for.
for me unless we fix recruitiung and list management we will remain a basket case no matter who the coach is.
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Bet clarkson is sick of hawthorn
Old list
Needs a new challenge
clarkson would fail at richmond because you need well rounded players to implement his style. i dont get it sack the coack and blame him for list management and recruiting and development. we have people in charge of these areas blame them.
yes i agree hardwick has got plenty wrong he made mistakes game day hes tried a game plan that cant work with the players we have he has been and remains slow to change he perseveres with underperforming players. these thingss and more he deserves criticism for.
for me unless we fix recruitiung and list management we will remain a basket case no matter who the coach is.
+1
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I don't want Ling yet, as good a player as he was, he needs to develop as a coach.
Look at Voss, great player but his pigheadedness as a coach, go hard or go home attitude, just cost him his job and Brisbane 5 players. He would have done better to do an apprenticeship and see what its like when the chips are down and you have to figure out whats wrong and fix it a few times.
I want Ling in 3-5 years time. I would rather Gary Ayres if he's not too old, Mark Harvey or Dean Laidley if he still wants to be a senior coach.
I also do NOT want any ex richmond player, not Cambo, not Knighter, not Bartlett. They all seem to end up in too many feuds during their time at the club. Fresh start no old history.
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I don't want Ling yet, as good a player as he was, he needs to develop as a coach.
Look at Voss, great player but his pigheadedness as a coach, go hard or go home attitude, just cost him his job and Brisbane 5 players. He would have done better to do an apprenticeship and see what its like when the chips are down and you have to figure out whats wrong and fix it a few times.
I want Ling in 3-5 years time. I would rather Gary Ayres if he's not too old, Mark Harvey or Dean Laidley if he still wants to be a senior coach.
I also do NOT want any ex richmond player, not Cambo, not Knighter, not Bartlett. They all seem to end up in too many feuds during their time at the club. Fresh start no old history.
A bit old I would have thought.
:lol
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100th match as coach ...
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Milestone game :clapping
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Should consider dropping Chaplin
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sack hardwick tomorrow its gone on too long
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Nah it's not the coach, 50 point turnaround in 15 mins
Nothing to do with the coach
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Lol @ nothing
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Nah it's not the coach, 50 point turnaround in 15 mins
Nothing to do with the coach
How can u say he's not in some way accountable?
Every coach / club has a plan to stem momentum? We don't. Or if we do it has never worked.
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May have. Players may wanna kill him. Could be a player to coach thing. It's as if we are GWS or GC17 in their first year.
Somewhere the relationship has soured IMHO.
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Sarcasm you idiots
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Αντώνη. :lol :rollin :lol
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Sarcasm you stuffers
:clapping
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Scott puts Petrie back to make sure we don't wrestle back momentum.
Coaching 101.
Can't rely on emotion Hardwick you idiot.
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When richmond get a run on Scott puts Petrie behind the ball
When the opposition week after week kicks several goals on the run - why not put several players behind the ball until the momentum ends
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:shh
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F u pope lord
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F u pope lord
Haha. JR I'm about to put what's left of my 6 pack threw the tv
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skinfull here....4 beers and 1/2 bottle.of walker black :clapping
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Lmao, smashed down 2 jugs of beer, 3 quarter time and sports bar closes.. everyone out :clapping guess I wont see the end of this one :shh
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Lmao, smashed down 2 jugs of beer, 3 quarter time and sports bar closes.. everyone out :clapping guess I wont see the end of this one :shh
Poor you :lol
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Lmao, smashed down 2 jugs of beer, 3 quarter time and sports bar closes.. everyone out :clapping guess I wont see the end of this one :shh
Call the glaziers
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This has the making of a coach sacking this.
77 points to 9 since half time.
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How about we sack the people who chose to extend his contract?
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Bump
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Relax boys we are in tanking mode, will see this for the rest of the year
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Square peg in a round hole.
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Taken me a long time but I no longer support Hardwick continuing as coach of Richmond FC. They need to pull the trigger and pay him out and get in someone else.
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Taken me a long time but I no longer support Hardwick continuing as coach of Richmond FC. They need to pull the trigger and pay him out and get in someone else.
:clapping
It's over mate, needs to happen
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Yeah it is unfortunately. We're the poor mugs (the membership) that will have to cough up the money and thats what poos me. Our third rate administration makes bad decisions but everyone lauds them, their performance is terrible, that the supporters will have to cough up $1 million+ to Hardwick so we can cover the arses of the administration just shows that they just take us for fools. As far as Im concerned, I have absolutely no respect for our current administration. I believe them to be poor managers and I believe that most of them should not be at the club whether its the general administration or the football department. Most of them are just stuffing amateurs.
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Kinda feel Hardwick has been done over by the muppets around him.
The fitness coach for a start has absolute screwed him. He's a big lad and ultimately when you run a coaching staff if someone lets you down, its your own fault.
His support staff have been as bad as him.
I actually don't want Dimma to be sacked, maybe its denial. We have a better list than our results suggest so where do you look - confidence, leadership, structure, tactics, fitness. All things that surely revolve around the coaching staff. Our effort was first clas in the 1st half, couldn't sustain it, surely this was obvious and a plan was in place for when North were coming out firing. All we had to do was hold momentum or block theres? What were we doing? Trying to win by 12 goals against a top 6 side? Joke.
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I am and always have been against sacking the coach. It just shifts the blame from others more worthy of accountability. Although, I cannot guarantee that for much longer.
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Tell u what
If dimma comes out and says you blokes sold me a lemon with that fitness bloke, he's poo, and Blair can stuff off too sick of all the retreads we need to go deep into drafts then I'll change my mind. Until then I will continue thinking what I am thinking and that is he agrees with all decisions being made.
I simply couldn't see a malthouse, sheedy or bomber not publicly saying we are unfit and we need to do something about it. Coaches like that put heat on the club when deserved to make them better. All I ever hear from ours is support.
stuff off
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Yeah it is unfortunately. We're the poor mugs (the membership) that will have to cough up the money and thats what poos me. Our third rate administration makes bad decisions but everyone lauds them, their performance is terrible, that the supporters will have to cough up $1 million+ to Hardwick so we can cover the arses of the administration just shows that they just take us for fools. As far as Im concerned, I have absolutely no respect for our current administration. I believe them to be poor managers and I believe that most of them should not be at the club whether its the general administration or the football department. Most of them are just stuffing amateurs.
Not me Ramps. Pulling the pin on the RFC memberships at seasons end and will just use my afl
That horse has bolted a long time ago for me pal
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Coach has to be sacked
End of story
Should of put extra numbers back after the Kangas kicked there 2nd goal in the 3rd
But no
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Tell u what
If dimma comes out and says you blokes sold me a lemon with that fitness bloke, he's poo, and Blair can stuff off too sick of all the retreads we need to go deep into drafts then I'll change my mind. Until then I will continue thinking what I am thinking and that is he agrees with all decisions being made.
I simply couldn't see a malthouse, sheedy or bomber not publicly saying we are unfit and we need to do something about it
Nailed it TM.
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What are we suppose to do ....tread water for two more years. Action is needed now.This is not Geelong circa 2006 and Dimma is no Mark Thompson .
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Coach has to be sacked
End of story
Should of put extra numbers back after the Kangas kicked there 2nd goal in the 3rd
But no
Good point
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For the 3rd time JR? ;D
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I wish you were coach, Jackstar.
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Apparently Hardwick said recently
in AFL football - they play under 9s
this is in the content of not having proper positions anymore. Everyone apart from the odd ruck or key forward is essentially a runner / a small / a midfeilder who is sposed to get to every contest - all the time ideally (rugbyy/netball). Chase the ball.
Or so i assume this was the context
Hardwick WGAG? It is not your job to be the savoir of ARules football and to attempt to win in a pretty fashion. Your task is to adapt to the game of today and find a way to win. Not to worry about the prettiness of the sport of it.
Why is the coach making such statements in public? even if correct. Coming very close to making excuses category for mine.
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The simple question that needs to be asked is could another coach get more out of this current list?
Personally I think our list is very poor so I can't answer that definitively enough to make it worth paying out 2 years salary and bring in someone else.
He's earned a year's reprieve after steady improvement but the blowtorch will be applied early next season if things don't improve.
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The simple question that needs to be asked is could another coach get more out of this current list?
Personally I think our list is very poor so I can't answer that definitively enough to make it worth paying out 2 years salary and bring in someone else.
He's earned a year's reprieve after steady improvement but the blowtorch will be applied early next season if things don't improve.
MM is right, Hardwick is going nowhere, he is locked in for another 2.5, unless of course there is an escape clause for bringing the club into disrepute, a compromising front page herald sun photo with a stripper or the likes.
In the meantime in terms of some blood sport at Richmond, I think we will have to make do with a cull of the admin and coaching staff.
This could bring some hope.
The first to go should be the ruck coach. From the moment Lade arrived at the club we have been getting smashed in the hitouts because our rucks jump too early and usually end up not even contesting the ruck. I thought renaming his title to midfield stoppage coach was just a fancy title for ruck coach, you can't tell me this guy is in charge of midfield stoppages, if he is, on either count he has got to go!
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The simple question that needs to be asked is could another coach get more out of this current list?
It's Hardwicks list.
It's what HE wanted and he still failed.
That says enough.
If the prick has to serve his contract out then so be it but dont ever not hold him accountable for the list.
Sneaky bastard.
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Ultimately the club just needs to ask itself if they honestly believe Hardwick can take us to a premiership and then act accordingly whatever the answer. Either way the whole football department needs to be seriously looked at and reviewed (preferably independently).
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I tell you right now if we had Roos,Ross Lyon or Hinkley we would be hell of alot better team.Just look at the Dees under Roos now with a average side.I dont think our list is poor ,yes there are some areas that a weak like all lists and a few rejects have to go to ,but plenty to work with.
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I wish you were coach, Jackstar.
;)lol
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(http://i.imgur.com/DEAK3eX.jpg)
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Good point bents
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Tell u what
If dimma comes out and says you blokes sold me a lemon with that fitness bloke, he's poo, and Blair can stuff off too sick of all the retreads we need to go deep into drafts then I'll change my mind. Until then I will continue thinking what I am thinking and that is he agrees with all decisions being made.
I simply couldn't see a malthouse, sheedy or bomber not publicly saying we are unfit and we need to do something about it
Nailed it TM.
OAFFF!
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I tell you right now if we had Roos,Ross Lyon or Hinkley we would be hell of alot better team.Just look at the Dees under Roos now with a average side.I dont think our list is poor ,yes there are some areas that a weak like all lists and a few rejects have to go to ,but plenty to work with.
Personally, i hate roos.
Implements that poo game that has killed the comp.
Shifty dog has the balls to complain about umpiring?
Roos is a pioneer is disrespecting the original spirit in which the game was meant to be played.
There used to be things that a coach just wouldn't do because it was gutless weak football.
He does them all and sadly there are plenty of others
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stuffen quick, WP :angel:
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stuffen quick, WP :angel:
Ken Oath
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stuffen quick, WP :angel:
:yep
;D
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U loved it
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I tell you right now if we had Roos,Ross Lyon or Hinkley we would be hell of alot better team.Just look at the Dees under Roos now with a average side.I dont think our list is poor ,yes there are some areas that a weak like all lists and a few rejects have to go to ,but plenty to work with.
Personally, i hate roos.
Implements that poo game that has killed the comp.
Shifty dog has the balls to complain about umpiring?
Roos is a pioneer is disrespecting the original spirit in which the game was meant to be played.
There used to be things that a coach just wouldn't do because it was gutless weak football.
He does them all and sadly there are plenty of others
And yet won a flag vs Judd/cousins/Kerr/cox
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i know, makes it even sadder
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They sayroos llooked at grand finals the last 15 years before his first season. And he concluded the best defence eventually win flags. So he did not invent the trend but perfected it. He has turned Melbourne from a rabblee if poo to competitive, better than us.
Wallace flooding v drug cheatgs was earlier than roos flag win.
I'd give my left but to have him tigerland
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why do people want roos or lyons. most boring gameplans/gamestyles in afl.
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The game today is about defending 2/3 of the ground at any given time
Some coaches do
Some don't
The ones that don't fall on the own sword
Eg Knights .Harvey .Voss, Neeld
The game is all about defending irrelevant of what people think
Funny that the main thing that had changed at punt rd since last year was Leppa leaving
He coached the defense
Last year the if the ball went backward of centre we defended very well
This year .we get scored against
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Is Gerard Neesham available?
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Good recent media work
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Hardwick will be loving the fact Essendon are getting done over as it will take all attention away from him.
I hope out of all this our club learns not to prematurely grant extensions again.
I personally feel that through this season, the coach has lost the players however due to his contract status we are stuck with him for next year at least.
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Hi guys, and welcome me to the world of pain over these last few years lol.
Obviously you'll see that i'm part of the family but this is my first post.
I have been on this site for a long time and never posted nor joined, tbh haven't really liked all the negativity on here.
I have come to terms that I think the coach needs to grow some balls and demand changes within the department and on field. If he doesn't well he isn't going to get the club anywhere and we are going to go back wards.
On Sunday night we had our game plan working, spread quick when turnover occurs and kick quick goals. Executed that well until Scott changed to plan B.
Dimma had no plan B to counter that and the players had nothing to go by. I'm not only going to have a crack at Dimma because there was in the second half turn overs that occurred and if you watch closely the poor bloke with the ball never had any one spreading for him, hence why there were no balls I50.
Either the fitness coach has been playing with himself for far too long during the preseason or the boys have given up on Dimma. There is a lot wrong.
I have been wanting to post for a while about my next point.
Last year you would see Choco getting very animated with the boys and doing funny things on the bench which I think inspired the boys. This year I have seen sweet F all of him and seems like he is not interested as he didn't get the Melbourne job. Fair enough if your heart is not in it. But I think our rise to the top end of the ladder last year had a lot to do with Choco, I think it maybe time to give some one the flick and give the reins to Mark W. Let him demand respect and demand what he wants to make us that top side that we as supporters have been asking for over the almost 40 years.
Sorry about the big read. But I think you will agree that us supporters could go on and on all night about this crap!!
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Hi Pots,
At least your spelling and punctuation is a vast improvement on the other essay posts we are use to getting.
Regards
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Getting in early - sack him
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Game plan today will play into the Dockers hands.....
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Game plan today will play into the Dockers hands.....
So will Hardwick's sack. Lyon will have us by the nuts.
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deledio and much of the team are dirty on dimma and cotchin
deledio wants to be captain and has support of the team
dimma and cotchin have lost the playing group
this is why no one protects cotchin in the contest
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deledio and much of the team are dirty on dimma and cotchin
deledio wants to be captain and has support of the team
dimma and cotchin have lost the playing group
this is why no one protects cotchin in the contest
Thanks Craig Hutchison.
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deledio and much of the team are dirty on dimma and cotchin
deledio wants to be captain and has support of the team
dimma and cotchin have lost the playing group
this is why no one protects cotchin in the contest
, stop making poo up. If you think Cotchin's a poor captain , well Deledio isn't a captain's behindhole - doesn't have a leadership bone his body.
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SNIP!
Debate the topic without the insults :banghead
EVERYONE
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Leaders don't organize coups either.
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Vladimir Lenin?
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Kill one man and you're a murderer.
Kill a team and you're a conqueror.
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deledio and much of the team are dirty on dimma and cotchin
deledio wants to be captain and has support of the team
dimma and cotchin have lost the playing group
this is why no one protects cotchin in the contest
LMAO@ Ronnie James Deledio as captain.
LMAOO@ That's why they dont protect Cotchin.Hahahaha ;D
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Vladimir Lenin?
;D I did realize that I left myself a bit open with that one. What I mean is, genuine leaders don't go behind the back of their comrades. He can put his hand up again later. Right now he needs to play his role like the rest of the team.
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deledio and much of the team are dirty on dimma and cotchin
deledio wants to be captain and has support of the team
dimma and cotchin have lost the playing group
this is why no one protects cotchin in the contest
We haven't had a team mate protect his captain since '95.
This bunch of Skirts don't protect there captain because the culture is ruined.
RFC ruining careers and breaking hearts for 32 years.
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We'll be a better side when Deledio and Cotchin come back in.
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We'll be a better side when Deledio and Cotchin come back in.
We should of allowed them to get 100% fit before playing them
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Is there a rift at our club between players and coach .I'm starting to get this vibe ever since Jack come out.Coachs talk during the week were going to this and that and opposite happens.
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It is time for Garry Lyon.
Get it done, Tiges. :shh
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It is time for Garry Lyon.
Get it done, Tiges. :shh
Will never happen, if he was ever going to coach he would taken the Dees role.
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Maybe we can get someone like garry lyon or Dermie as Dimmas right hand man.
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Drop or Sack some of the smartass players. Stop with the blaming of coaches. These players had brilliant basic skills before coming to the club, except they revolt to the basic skills of 12 year olds on the arena. Its the PLAYERS not the Coaches & Admins
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Lyon-Ling co-coach with Ayers or Ratten type director of football.
keep choco
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Would prefer Dermie.
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yeah & let win flags taking substances
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Drop or Sack some of the smartass players. Stop with the blaming of coaches. These players had brilliant basic skills before coming to the club, except they revolt to the basic skills of 12 year olds on the arena. Its the PLAYERS not the Coaches & Admins
You think if all these blokes are allegedly coming to the club with "brilliant skills" and then going to poo , it may at least have something to do with the coaching & development?
Personally I think we still draft too many with poo skills who are also poor decision makers and lack composure because we're crap at identifying talent and ruin the ones that have good skills because we're crap at development. If you're good at development and have a strong culture you can also turn crap players into serviceable ones and solid role players.
If the players have "attitudes" then that's down to the club as well. It's up to them to foster a good culture, instill a work ethic, set high standards and quickly deal with those who don't adhere to it.
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Would prefer Dermie.
:thumbsup
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stuffn oath.
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I'd like Grant Thomas, just to watch him Capuano Hampson
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I'd like Grant Thomas, just to watch him Capuano Hampson
hahahah GT was in the JD Stand yesterday, looked like he had been on the turps for 3 days
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Maybe we can get someone like garry lyon or Dermie as Dimmas right hand man.
Yeah and I'll do their cushy media roles. Why would they want to leave them and why would two blokes in their late 40's with cushy media jobs since they retired venture into coaching now?
Our next coach shouldn't be a rookie has to be a Premership coach with experience and reknowned discipline on a list not a bloke who when he comes in talks the talk and five years later he's the blubbering, bumbling tokenistic fool that took the job.
The RFC needs a totallitarian coach who cares little for the reps of players or their emotions and just cares about his rep and his success rate based on how many flags he has won at the end of his tenure, someone cold but clinical, someone in the Lethal mode. Is anyone out there?
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I know hes been out of football for awhile but Malcolm Blight always strikes me as absolutely ruthless.When he went to the crows he immediately dispensed with some of their biggest names.maybe he could help/encourage Dimma with the way things should be done.
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I'd like Grant Thomas, just to watch him Capuano Hampson
hahahah GT was in the JD Stand yesterday, looked like he had been on the turps for 3 days
Thomas should've succeeded Demetriou. Seriously.
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Don do you think the tiges should take their end of season trip to the straits of malaka in south east asia,and after catch a soccer game of that hugely successful club in south America..Colo Colo
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Don do you think the tiges should take their end of season trip to the straits of malaka in south east asia,and after catch a soccer game of that hugely successful club in south America..Colo Colo
If they went to the Straits of Malacca they'd disappear just like MH370. :help
Successful clubs from South America have traditionally come from Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay.
Colo Colo are a giant of Chilean soccer but if they ever had a link with the RFC they would change their name to Skata Skata. ;D
They should take their end of season trip to the Arthur's seat chairlift. ;D
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Don do you think the tiges stheir end of season trip to the straits of malaka in south east asia,and after catch a soccer game of that hugely successful club in south America..Colo Colo
It would do them good. Maybe they would realise football clubs mean a hell of alot tonaome people around thebworld
If Richmond had' ultra ' like some south america teams. I doubt they'd be doingcling wrap jokes
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Drop or Sack some of the smartass players. Stop with the blaming of coaches. These players had brilliant basic skills before coming to the club, except they revolt to the basic skills of 12 year olds on the arena. Its the PLAYERS not the Coaches & Admins
You are arguing against yourself.
The players and coaches are both to blame. The reason we have coaches is essentially to bring out the best in our players. You have just said yourself that this is not happening.
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Drop or Sack some of the smartass players. Stop with the blaming of coaches. These players had brilliant basic skills before coming to the club, except they revolt to the basic skills of 12 year olds on the arena. Its the PLAYERS not the Coaches & Admins
You are arguing against yourself.
The players and coaches are both to blame. The reason we have coaches is essentially to bring out the best in our players. You have just said yourself that this is not happening.
Nutshell.
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We are not going to sack Hardwick. At least not this year.
This thread needs to be put on ice till next year IMHO. If at this stage next year we are in a similar position the club will pull the trigger for a new coach in 2016.
Can't anyone else see this? :huh
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We are not going to sack Hardwick. At least not this year.
This thread needs to be put on ice till next year IMHO. If at this stage next year we are in a similar position the club will pull the trigger for a new coach in 2016.
Can't anyone else see this? :huh
I doubt he'll get sacked next year if this years results or something like it is replicated.
It will be 2016 when Dimma and the RFC will part company as the payout $$$$$ is what the club will not want to part with. Fans spoke yesterday with their feet in not attending the game and if that trend continues the club will not afford to part company with him in the shorter term, then spruike an FTF donation from the fans to offset the mess that they created in the first place.
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We are not going to sack Hardwick. At least not this year.
This thread needs to be put on ice till next year IMHO. If at this stage next year we are in a similar position the club will pull the trigger for a new coach in 2016.
Can't anyone else see this? :huh
:thumbsup
Group of us were talking about yesterday.
I said exactly the same thing
He's not going to b sacked
So he has the remainder of this year, pre -season and the first half of next year to fix this mess that he has helped create.
Mid point of season of 2015 and nothings changed I reckon he is goneskis
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Damien give Paul Roos a call and learn something. Or Ken Hinkley.
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Damien give Paul Roos a call and learn something. Or Ken Hinkley.
What for he's got Danny Daly. Things are coming along nicely. :help
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We are not going to sack Hardwick. At least not this year.
This thread needs to be put on ice till next year IMHO. If at this stage next year we are in a similar position the club will pull the trigger for a new coach in 2016.
Can't anyone else see this? :huh
:thumbsup
Group of us were talking about yesterday.
I said exactly the same thing
He's not going to b sacked
So he has the remainder of this year, pre -season and the first half of next year to fix this mess that he has helped create.
Mid point of season of 2015 and nothings changed I reckon he is goneskis
Encouragement to continue to top up and not play the kids cause he's got 20 odd games which will further damage the list with list blockers gettings ggames and potential good players getting screwed
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The back end of this season and the off season is one of the most crucial for this club in many a year.
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Personally I would take advantage of the currency we have created. We have never really had that before. Had players who are highly rated in AFL circles and can demand some decent concessions.
I'd go heavy for a pick in the top 3. Make sure we are playing our kids as much as we can. Waste of time Aaron Edwards, play McBean. Not ready? Don't care. Play them and if we win, great for development if not then great for draft picks. Anyone that thinks we can build a premiership list from any other way is crazy. We can have culture all you like but without a decent playing list you may as well be the Bulldogs.
What worries me more than other things is as follows:
If dimma has been tapped o the shoulder as Wp infers: and been told he has got to turn around the ship by - say mid next year. If nitbhe is gone.
So what hhappens in dimma mind?
Hes knows he needs to win games now. I believe dimma think the best chance of winning games is playing: king Newman hampson Chaplin houli SGrigg etc.
This will two outcomes:
- chances are we will win an extra game or two. Losing good draft and free agency positions
- it will further stunt the development of the kids on the list.
Hence the coach should go now. Not in 12 or 18 months
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Correct
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For example:
Why would Hardwick play?
- A) mcbean ahead of a Edwards
- B) arnot ahead of grigg
I assume in his mind there is a 10% chance the younger option would help win the game. Hence the mindset of the current leadership at Richmond, is not thinking in regards to the long term best case on field scenario.
IMHO, yet worrying to some degree non the less.
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If dimma has been tapped o the shoulder as Wp infers: and been told he has got to turn around the ship by - say mid next year. If nitbhe is gone.
:gobdrop
I inferred he's been tapped on the shoulder? Really where exactly? Give me a break ::)
NO
All I did was give an opinion
IMESHO he will not be sacked
Again IMHO if things are no better this time next year he will be under the pump and again IMHO he will probably be goneskis
That's not inferring that's offering an opinion
Why would Hardwick play?
- A) mcbean ahead of a Edwards
This week just gone? Though that was pretty obvious...McBean hadn't played for 4-5 weeks so there was no way he was going to come straight in the AFL side, he aint Chris Newman ::) ;D
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WP is now the new GR just tapping people on the shoulder and saying "On ya bike son" ;D
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WP is now the new GR just tapping people on the shoulder and saying "On ya bike son" ;D
Now Ramps you're a smart chap so you should know if I wielded such power and influence who the first person I'd tap on the shoulder and it isn't Dimma ;) ;D
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Who?
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I would say Blair Hartley from what I have read of WP's posts. Would happy for FJ to go with him as well.
I understand that the two year extension is an obstacle but not nearly as big as some people may think.
If we finish last, "WOODEN SPOON" and we are "oh so close" to that result right now, he will go.
You can't take a team that finished 5th on the ladder (7th after losing to the 9th side) to the wooden spoon and survive. That would be a scandal in itself. The barrier of the extended contract would go with it. The reason for this is simple, if you are getting 20k people through the gate for a Fremantle game and the rest of the seasons attendances are equally poor, you have lost a heap of potential revenue. You can't as a football board go into a new season without doing something to generate hope (memberships) and improve attendances. (If they did that, there would be a rebellion of members and a strong push for a rival board setup). Personally, I find it unfathomable that this list could finish last but then I find Hardwick unfathomable in his stupidity so I'm not discounting the possibility.
For Hardwick to go sooner, there would have to be a player revolt. Just on last weekends game, if Arnot played in the middle next to Miles, we would have won. Miles has turned into the Tuck of 2014, hiding what an abominable midfield we have through individual effort and willpower. (ie. fierce attack on the ball).
There can be no excuses for Hardwicks performances this year. This is a list that he built with his recruiting department and these are the players that he has chosen to play. I cringe when I hear that skills are the reason we lost to Fremantle when this is his job to train the players and ensure their skills are up to afl level. Here is a guy who came in on a platform that we will only recruit skilled footballers who are hard at it. I only see the opposite.
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Bingo
Revune lost (crowds/memberships) vs cost to payout contract
There are othernnon direct financial factors
Moral oof supporters etc.
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As a continuation of the previous point - another problem with this Hardwick mentality: is players that are senior whom are not 100%, under and injury cloud if you will. Are alleged to be playing injuryed to some degree. One could argue this is not ideal for the players in question as they may not get back to full capacity.
One would assume a benefit of a new coach would be players rested until fully fit
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Agree with most here.Dimma and the football department need to be accountable.How many times he use to say we a going to recruit guys who can kick and have skills..Why is Petterd there،Thomas،Hamsphson etc he went against what he preached and quick fix.Let's be honest guys if dimma never had 2 years he would be gone already a team from 5th to last and the drop off in our skills،kicking،and players who made progress.
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Was good to see Michael Tuck come out and say in yesterday's Herald Sun what WP , me and many others have been spruiking for some time now. His son Shane was simply a victim of not being one of Dimma's 'favorites' and therefore retired at the end of last year disillusioned.
We have been vindicated.
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List management is more our problem than actual game day coaching. IMO many of our players have hit their ceiling from a developmental perspective and they really have nothing more to give.
We have no player apart from Dusty that is capable of winning a game off their own back. We need more X-Factor less Y-Factor.
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I would say Blair Hartley from what I have read of WP's posts.
BINGO :thumbsup
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List management is more our problem than actual game day coaching. IMO many of our players have hit their ceiling from a developmental perspective and they really have nothing more to give.
We have no player apart from Dusty that is capable of winning a game off their own back. We need more X-Factor less Y-Factor.
Selection committee would be problem #1 on a long list of problems
Who is in charge of this? Hardwick one would assume.
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Still remember Blair cutting up videos for the Essendon players back in early 2000
Come a long way that boy on the back of mates coat tails ::)
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Was good to see Michael Tuck come out and say in yesterday's Herald Sun what WP , me and many others have been spruiking for some time now. His son Shane was simply a victim of not being one of Dimma's 'favorites' and therefore retired at the end of last year disillusioned.
We have been vindicated.
Dice do you have a link for that article. I would love to read it because I was always a massive fan of tuck and always believed he got shafted under Dimma.
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Shame to hear.
Lost a warrior and picked up a dozen spuds in his and youths place
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Has lost the plot and is living in lala land. By his own admission, he is a very stubborn and pigheaded man so don't expect him to ever come out and say "i was wrong" Fonz mkII. Will need to be tapped on the shoulder
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Can't wait until he plays Arnot again at half forward and then drops him after a game or two for not getting the same numbers that he does as an inside mid in the VFL.
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He lost the playing group for me weeks ago club is to dumb to see it .
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Was good to see Michael Tuck come out and say in yesterday's Herald Sun what WP , me and many others have been spruiking for some time now. His son Shane was simply a victim of not being one of Dimma's 'favorites' and therefore retired at the end of last year disillusioned.
We have been vindicated.
Dice do you have a link for that article. I would love to read it because I was always a massive fan of tuck and always believed he got shafted under Dimma.
Nah I don't mate. It was on the back page of the sports section in yesterday's Herald Sun. Maybe one of the mods can dig it up.
Tuck Snr barely even attempted to be diplomatic about it. Good on him.
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Was good to see Michael Tuck come out and say in yesterday's Herald Sun what WP , me and many others have been spruiking for some time now. His son Shane was simply a victim of not being one of Dimma's 'favorites' and therefore retired at the end of last year disillusioned.
We have been vindicated.
Dice do you have a link for that article. I would love to read it because I was always a massive fan of tuck and always believed he got shafted under Dimma.
Here, here Tucky snr.
Disgusting treatment of Shane.
Reading that just infuriates me even stuffn more.
I implore supporters to vote with their attendances.
Hardwicks meister race of surprise package footballers is as relevant as the old Germany.
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Tucky.. the legend grows.
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This forum is an ideal place to vent,however I implore people to continue attending matches irrespective of what tripe they dish up to us
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Tucky.. the legend grows.
In Tucky we Trust!!!!
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Tucky.. the legend grows.
In Tucky we Trust!!!!
:cheers
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Was good to see Michael Tuck come out and say in yesterday's Herald Sun what WP , me and many others have been spruiking for some time now. His son Shane was simply a victim of not being one of Dimma's 'favorites' and therefore retired at the end of last year disillusioned.
We have been vindicated.
Dice do you have a link for that article. I would love to read it because I was always a massive fan of tuck and always believed he got shafted under Dimma.
lucky to have him at the club the last 2 years his mother wanted him to leave long ago.
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why did his mother want him to leave?
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This forum is an ideal place to vent,however I implore people to continue attending matches irrespective of what tripe they dish up to us
not a chance sorry to say. if you call kicking out of the backline every 10 metres where the man standing the mark barely moves l will never ever again buy memberships to watch that rubbish cause its simply not football. Even switched St-Kilda off yesterday as they doing the same rubbish. That is not football & its easy to fix by kicking it long & fighting it out 60 metres away from goals. at least it would be a 50/50 contest. :banghead
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I know this isnt the Tucky thread but..
Ive seen and watched alot of games in my time, but theres not much out of the last 25 years that will stick like the image of tucky running up that wing with his arm all mangled.
Can undrestand Dimma being hard on him for his kicking/disposal but jees cant punish those that live for the jumper and team and cherish those that are there for a pay cheque and run away from a contest.
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I know this isnt the Tucky thread but..
Ive seen and watched alot of games in my time, but theres not much out of the last 25 years that will stick like the image of tucky running up that wing with his arm all mangled.
Can undrestand Dimma being hard on him for his kicking/disposal but jees cant punish those that live for the jumper and team and cherish those that are there for a pay cheque and run away from a contest.
Hardwick has ripped what heart was left at the club out and shoved it up his arse
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I know this isnt the Tucky thread but..
Ive seen and watched alot of games in my time, but theres not much out of the last 25 years that will stick like the image of tucky running up that wing with his arm all mangled.
Can undrestand Dimma being hard on him for his kicking/disposal but jees cant punish those that live for the jumper and team and cherish those that are there for a pay cheque and run away from a contest.
Hardwick has ripped what heart was left at the club out and shoved it up his arse
Richmond's new Heart, Grigg, Hampson, Titch and Chaplin.
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why did his mother want him to leave?
because he was not being rewarded a place in the senior side when he was clearly in the top 22 at the club & one of the AFL leading ball winners. He was doing everything asked of him in the Coburg side & still not getting a game. getting poo'ed on last year again was the end. His a proven hard working footballer that are hard to come by. That bloke went home with more cuts & bruises than any other player l seen at Tigerland. He was my type of footballer & would still beat most of the players in the top 22 today
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Driven out by a turd who makes meaningless threats to journalists to cover up his inept leadership.
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Driven out by a Essenturd who makes meaningless threats to journalists to cover up his inept leadership.
Edited for accuracy
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Good To see the boys lose with honour. All you can ask is the boys try hard. However - was it worth playing Hampson. Thomas. Chaplin. Houli. Petard. A Edwards types? Even if we had won what would it achieve... Is it not better to attempt to win with some kids in the team like mcdonuts and arnot? Is the club doing its best for the long term future of the club on field?
I a, fascinated by the hardwick mentality and if he believes 'list blockers' will realistically be part of a premiership team. And in general what is the grand plan.
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Club is a joke until we stop playing list c loggers like
Hampson
Thomas
Petterd
A.Edwards
Disgrace Matt White and Shane Tuck were left out of the side last year and we see these stealers run around..
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ellis can get stuffed
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Does Hardwick think about anything else except contested ball? It's all he ever talks about. Chipping it sideways is not a plan it's a coaching failure. Surrendering big leads then losing the game is as damaging as a 100 point loss for a coach, it takes credits away from you. St Kilda might have a blinder and beat us, who is going defend dimmas sorry rse then?
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Waltz on over to Big footy there are plenty there that will go down with dimmas ship.
Hardwick is showing his ineptness, by focusing so heavily on one aspect, the players lose their balance and the rest of the game goes to poo. NFI
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Morris. ----- Rance. ----- Dea.
Helbig / Mcdonuts . ----- mcintosh / Darrou . ----- bachelor
Ellis. ----- Martin. ----- Conca.
Foley. ----- McBean / Vickery ----- vlastuin
Deledio. ----- Riewoldt. ----- Maric.
Elton / Griffiths. ----- Cotchin. ----- Miles.
SEdwards. ----- ohanlon / Lennon . ----- Grimes.
Gordon / Lloyd
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Just by making six changes to the status quo it injects some youth into the last placed side.
it'll mean if we win games, we will do so with a young tam that can grow together. And if not hopefully the kids have a good crack and the top few draft selections knocks out the weakest few positions for next year. I would also be nice to see if the ignored youth on the list can play - before they are delisted / go to onto their club
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When Hardwick came to the club he said if you lose by more than 7 goals it's a player issue. If you lose under 4 goals it's a coaching issue.
We won contested ball, players had effort, Sydney were injury plagued and played poorly. Yet we lose and kick 1 out of the last 8 goals.
Hardwick has no idea.
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Bit of a wanker for saying dea drop mark is the reason we lost
What about all the kid the kid did? What about the same favourites being soft and doing mostly fa?
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Bit of a wanker for saying dea drop mark is the reason we lost
What about all the kid the kid did? What about the same favourites being soft and doing mostly fa?
did he actually say that? So he did sub Dea for that - I swear I wanna knock this guy out, not even Wallace or spud made my blood boil like this clown does
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Bit of a wanker for saying dea drop mark is the reason we lost
What about all the kid the kid did? What about the same favourites being soft and doing mostly fa?
A deflection from criticism of Chaplin & an excuse to bring back Newman.
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Bit of a wanker for saying dea drop mark is the reason we lost
What about all the good the kid did? What about the same favourites being soft and doing mostly fa?
did he actually say that? So he did sub Dea for that - I swear I wanna knock this guy out, not even Wallace or spud made my blood boil like this clown does
* Dropped mark on the goal line and keeping the ball in on the boundary line which lead to a Buddy goal. These are the silly mistakes which we are making and that we need to cut out of our game
I'm not Sherlock Holmes but it sounds like it to me
Vlastuin keeping it in and dea drop mark. Why didn't he bag miles too and get the hatrick
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Bit of a wanker for saying dea drop mark is the reason we lost
What about all the kid the kid did? What about the same favourites being soft and doing mostly fa?
did he actually say that? So he did sub Dea for that - I swear I wanna knock this guy out, not even Wallace or spud made my blood boil like this clown does
If anyone deserves a left hook.....
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If anyone deserved to get subbed tonight it was Titch, Richmond's nowhere man. He's neither here, he's neither there come to think of it he's not anywhere. He's Titch Edwards.
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Shankwards should either be the sub or not play at all and tonight it was the latter...
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Hey for all those old timers on here, and there are many of you. Is the vitriol around the call to sack the coach this time round worse than it was in the past? It seems there is a lot of hate around at the moment. Maybe Hardwick got our hopes up last year and this year has just dropped the ball badly for a lot of people.
We all saw it coming in the last year of Wallace, even he saw it. The ship had hit the iceberg and was just waiting to sink, but the hate was there.
Frawley was a dead man walking for quite a while there, he just seemed to have forgotten how to win a game of footy. Seemed to leave on a pretty good note with the club, despite internal turf wars during his reign.
The Geisch, now why the hell did we ever hire him I dunno, but there was a lot of vitriol to turf him. Probably because he was crap.
I wasn't in Oz when Walls got the arse, was there the same level as there is now?
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Can remember the sack Wallace threads from 2007. Especially after an 157 point loss to Geelong.
There's more on the site now. :lol :rollin :lol
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Did "Rayzorwire" ever post here? He still rates Wallace and makes excuses for him even today and was in to Hardwick from day one. Guess he was half right.
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Hey for all those old timers on here, and there are many of you. Is the vitriol around the call to sack the coach this time round worse than it was in the past? It seems there is a lot of hate around at the moment. Maybe Hardwick got our hopes up last year and this year has just dropped the ball badly for a lot of people.
We all saw it coming in the last year of Wallace, even he saw it. The ship had hit the iceberg and was just waiting to sink, but the hate was there.
Frawley was a dead man walking for quite a while there, he just seemed to have forgotten how to win a game of footy. Seemed to leave on a pretty good note with the club, despite internal turf wars during his reign.
The Geisch, now why the hell did we ever hire him I dunno, but there was a lot of vitriol to turf him. Probably because he was crap.
I wasn't in Oz when Walls got the arse, was there the same level as there is now?
Yeah it's the cycle of skata which extends to even our fan base
Groundhog Day all over again
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After last night
Hardwick must watch the game a lot different to most
Subbing Dea off was just wrong
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LMAO coming from Deas biggest critic
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If anyone deserved to get subbed tonight it was Titch, Richmond's nowhere man. He's neither here, he's neither there come to think of it he's not anywhere. He's Titch Edwards.
Great call Tucker, Titch should play forward pocket or not at all
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FWIW, I have no issue with Hardwick getting stuck into Vlas and Dea because they cost us 2 goals. In fact I'd argue if Newman and Chaplain made the same errors and Hardwick said nothing - half of you would need paper bags to breath into.
The issue is his lack of a consistent message in public.
if he is a tenth as bad behind closed doors then he is done as a coach because that is how you lose players.
I have always believed the contract thing is large irrelevant because
club revenue is directly related to wins and losses and it is a fairly straightforward exercise in evaluating the opportunity cost of keeping vs sacking.
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Although I have had mixed opinions about Dimma, I reckon the problem lies deeper than just the coach, and no coach would be able to better than he has. The problem is our culture for example: woman president. Im not a sexist and I dont like sexism, but women in football simply dont belong. Its good we are trying to make our genders even blah blah, but with the women assistant coach at saints, next up will be a woman head coach. I understand the president shouldnt have too much influence on our actual on field performance but they can set a tone and our tone this year has been soft and stupid.
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LMAO coming from Deas biggest critic
Well he has improved
He is allowed to you know
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If anyone deserved to get subbed tonight it was Titch, Richmond's nowhere man. He's neither here, he's neither there come to think of it he's not anywhere. He's Titch Edwards.
Great call Tucker, Titch should play forward pocket or not at all
I'll go as far and say that if Thomas started given his inside ability we may have had a bigger buffer and the result may have been different. Titch needs to come on and sub as a small forward as he did v Geelong to have an impact otherwise he is useless and is taking up a spot in the side. Barely an AFL footballer is Titch.
Unless Dea was injured subbing him off was wrong and Dimma is a clown for doing so. The fact that Dea went up for the mark whilst Chaplin stayed down to watch was more a blight on Chaplin than Dea.
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Agree on Thomas, reality was Dea went and should've taken that mark. Chaplain going as well probably means they spoil each other which looks even worse
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Bump.
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Dea wasn't injured. No injury management after being subbed plus the look on his face when Vickerys old man gave him the vest.
Can anyone explain why our boxing coach runs the boundary?
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Why is he crying about umpires
More deflection than the EFC PR team
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I have always believed the contract thing is large irrelevant because
club revenue is directly related to wins and losses and it is a fairly straightforward exercise in evaluating the opportunity cost of keeping vs sacking.
Cut our losses then.
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The one theme that seems to be running through all Dimmas fireside chats this year,is that we are playing better than our win loss record suggests.This to me is rather worrying,however it all means jack in the end because he will be judged solely on his win loss record..thats the only measure that ultimately counts
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He had a go at Campbell. Complained that the umpire instructions were the problem. Why would you have a crack at a former Richmond player and not the dud umpires on the night or the interpretation. Campbell didn't instruct marks not to be paid.
Its our terrible style of footy that is the biggest problem anyway. Was like watching the Adelaide game under Wallace where we ground out a defensive win. Only we didn't win. It wasn't sustainable or watchable then, it isn't now.
Hardwick is a marsh mellow.
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Huge issues at RFC.
Can sustain a support base when you are losing when you have big cult figures like Richo, Nathan Brown, Knights etc. at the helm.
Without those types of figures if you start to lose game you risk losing your fan base unless you play attractive footy.
We don't have any cult figures that are exciting to watch. Riewoldt at full flight is close but apart from that no1 is a 'star' of the game that brings someone to the footy. We need to be playing attractive football like Port Adelaide.
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He had a go at Campbell. Complained that the umpire instructions were the problem. Why would you have a crack at a former Richmond player and not the dud umpires on the night or the interpretation. Campbell didn't instruct marks not to be paid.
A couple of reasons
Animosity on dikheds part.
Doesn't like him.
B-he's such a coward he can only have a crack at former club employees.
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I've been a supporter of Hardwick for some time but I do wonder if he's taken us as far as he can.
Rings in my ears when he said the day his players stop improving is the day he walks away.
I wonder if he could honestly look himself in the mirror and ask himself how many of our players have improved over the past 12 months?
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Alternatively to all this panic...
Is this the most well disguised tank in the history of the game?
Too finish as low as possible..
Is Hardwick telling Cotchin to just chip kick it around instead of going direct.
Throwing Dusty forward and back depending on mood.
Refusing to change game style and revert to the clubs Plan B they worked hard on in the off season.
Refusing to make a change when the opposition get a run on and stop their momentum.
Has he slowed our game plan down to a point where its almost impossible to win even when the players give 100%.
Is he refusing to drop 'our best 22' because in reality its not our best 22 and Hardwick has tricked everyone into thinking Hampson, A.Edwards, Thomas, Petterd and all the other recycled rubbish are AFL standard?
Are we refusing to drop out of form players to ensure we finish as low as possible this year.
Maybe the board got together and conspired a tanking strategy and assured Hardwick 2 years extension if he kept quiet and followed through the plan?
We have a tough draw to tank this year and maybe Dimma is doing a herculean job but we all don't know it?
When you actually think about it, its seems generally logical. Especially when a team that finished 5th in 2013 is now sitting 16th on the AFL ladder at 3-10.
Sorry Dimma for letting the cat out of the bag, all this criticism now seems harsh.
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When you actually think about it, its seems generally logical. Especially when a team that finished 5th in 2013 is now sitting 16th on the AFL ladder at 3-10.
Other clubs have done it before..
Uncompromised draft this year.
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Alternatively to all this panic...
Is this the most well disguised tank in the history of the game?
Too finish as low as possible..
Is Hardwick telling Cotchin to just chip kick it around instead of going direct.
Throwing Dusty forward and back depending on mood.
Refusing to change game style and revert to the clubs Plan B they worked hard on in the off season.
Refusing to make a change when the opposition get a run on and stop their momentum.
Has he slowed our game plan down to a point where its almost impossible to win even when the players give 100%.
Is he refusing to drop 'our best 22' because in reality its not our best 22 and Hardwick has tricked everyone into thinking Hampson, A.Edwards, Thomas, Petterd and all the other recycled rubbish are AFL standard?
Are we refusing to drop out of form players to ensure we finish as low as possible this year.
Maybe the board got together and conspired a tanking strategy and assured Hardwick 2 years extension if he kept quiet and followed through the plan?
We have a tough draw to tank this year and maybe Dimma is doing a herculean job but we all don't know it?
When you actually think about it, its seems generally logical. Especially when a team that finished 5th in 2013 is now sitting 16th on the AFL ladder at 3-10.
Sorry Dimma for letting the cat out of the bag, all this criticism now seems harsh.
He's not that bright
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When you actually think about it, its seems generally logical. Especially when a team that finished 5th in 2013 is now sitting 16th on the AFL ladder at 3-10.
Other clubs have done it before..
Uncompromised draft this year.
lol we are putting all our eggs in the francis jackson basket. has anyone looked at his record lately.
waste of time doing anything unless we fix our recruiting problems once and for all.
whats the name of that bum at geelong who seems to go alright when it comes to picking kids. throw a mil a yr at him for two or three yrs and just maybe we will improve.
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Claw, you make some sense but carry on sometimes by being hypercritical and idealistic.
We aren't tanking.
This year has been a badly planned stuff up from the pre season when we decided to change the way we had been playing and got cute with playing guys out of position.
We've clearly got ahead of ourselves and its bitten us on the arse.
The list isn't great but good enough to compete in the lower reaches of the 8.
The recruiting in the last off season were poor although I really like miles.
Due to our poor year, the club will now see its time to land a decent free agent, my theory on why we haven't is that we thought we'd get to top 4 without over paying a big fish who would join on the promise of a premiership tilt. This promise would save us $ and give Dan Richardson credibility for his Arsenal salary cap strategy.
Now that is clearly not going to happen they we chase blindly waving a cheque book.
Fairly big stuff up Tigers. This is where we never learn and Claw is right.
We do overrate our list but it's not thaaaat bad.
Hugh draft pick, pre season pick, free agent and getting back to our strengths in game plan will help in 2015.
Whether it's enough to save Hardwick is the big q.
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History shows Hardwick needs to go.
If a coach doesn't win a flag in their first 10 years they don't win them.
When they stay at the same club it is unlikely after 5 -7 years.
The reason being double rebuilds don't work. You get one shot before the pressure of failure and an erosion in confidence starts to undermine.
So unless anyone thinks Hardwick has a Bomber Thompson turnaround in him and can win in the next 2 seasons, all keeping him does is add the same number of years onto the next run at it.
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And yet they will wait for half way into next year :facepalm
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Is it true at 3/4 time he made the players hold hands in a circle and sing "Kumbyah"?
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Channel 7 were reporting something about a soggy biscuit of some sort.
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Channel 7 were reporting something about a soggy biscuit of some sort.
Oh ok.
That's usually the pre game celebration.
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Richmond doesn't get big fish and if we try and do we get stitched up at the 12th hour remember the Tony Lockett, even the Chris Judd deals.
Furthermore the club has been vomiting this ideal that we are better than last year and more so our best players are injured and therefore it's not worth looking at the kids plodding away in the ressies or that in the fifth year of a rebuild we will do no such thing as develop players therefore we won't be playing them and we will consolidate with established players.
Therefore like most of us on here can see where we are at and what we need to do, our views are along the same path just slightly different based on our own ideals I guess, the club however sees that it has 65000 members and is banking on losing so many members ie limiting the damage and not admitting to any wrongdoing whether that be in the boardroom or in the coaches box or even on the training ground or on draft day. It has happened before and it will happen again.
There are killers like the ones who kill their spouse( not that its right) for whatever reason, one time killers and there are serial killers like Denyer, Knight, Milat who unless they get caught they will keep on killing just like some footy clubs are failures like St Kilda, Melbourne Dogs but they do go their fans regular chances to smile by making finals the odd GF and such whereas the RFC are serial failures unless the club is stopped wiped clean from top to toe disinfected again and then hosed down like a rabied dog with a high pressure water hose The Cycle of Skata will continue for every 5-7 years repeatedly, unabated and more and more frustratingly worse each time the full cycle is completed.
The club will not spend money because every so often they need the fans to bail them up or the KPI graph to go on an upward trend for a few years to sell hope and footy dreams to us 35-45 somethings who remember the RFC being important when we were kids unlike now being inept and irrelevant.
Unless the war room at Punt Rd has changed philosophy and therefore tactics and at the end they cut their losses accept that we are somewhere between 40-60% of the way there and admit we need a few more years to get there that's all just a few more years to get 50 or so games into the batch from this year and some other kids already on the list then 2017 will be our 2010, 2005,2000,1993, 1987, 1983 and we all know how it has turned out since half time of the decider in 1982. :help
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So, not playing the kids is an admission of failure on Dikwicks behalf,
as it states they're not good enough, even after years of development under him.
The real problem is, his 'senior" players have gone backwards at an alarming rate,
further evidence of his ability to incapacitate talented players.
This form of leadership from him is better described as a stubborn inability to recognise his limitations as a professonal curator of young men.
Sadly, in the meantime, he survives in the shadows of guilt cast over the club by past sackings of coaches and that brings into question the administrative powers that be.
LMAO@ Him turning it around next year or 2.
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Reckon if we get beaten tomorrow he might be gone on Monday
Only my opinion although natives are starting to get restless re direction .team selection and match day/game plan
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Go saints
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Reckon if we get beaten tomorrow he might be gone on Monday
Only my opinion although natives are starting to get restless re direction .team selection and match day/game plan
Reckon he wont
He has the support of the 1 person that carries to much weight and I aint talking about anyone on the board ;D
Said it many times (rightly or wrongly) he wont be sacked now
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So, not playing the kids is an admission of failure on Dikwicks behalf,
as it states they're not good enough, even after years of development under him.
The real problem is, his 'senior" players have gone backwards at an alarming rate,
further evidence of his ability to incapacitate talented players.
This form of leadership from him is better described as a stubborn inability to recognise his limitations as a professonal curator of young men.
Sadly, in the meantime, he survives in the shadows of guilt cast over the club by past sackings of coaches and that brings into question the administrative powers that be.
LMAO@ Him turning it around next year or 2.
correct :thumbsup
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So, not playing the kids is an admission of failure on Dikwicks behalf,
as it states they're not good enough, even after years of development under him.
The real problem is, his 'senior" players have gone backwards at an alarming rate,
further evidence of his ability to incapacitate talented players.
This form of leadership from him is better described as a stubborn inability to recognise his limitations as a professonal curator of young men.
Sadly, in the meantime, he survives in the shadows of guilt cast over the club by past sackings of coaches and that brings into question the administrative powers that be.
LMAO@ Him turning it around next year or 2.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Reckon if we get beaten tomorrow he might be gone on Monday
Only my opinion although natives are starting to get restless re direction .team selection and match day/game plan
Reckon he wont
He has the support of the 1 person that carries to much weight and I aint talking about anyone on the board ;D
Said it many times (rightly or wrongly) he wont be sacked now
Blair Hartley has too much pull now which therefore incapacitates Dimma.
The rejects will get every chance until such time as the undefended can no longer be defended which will be too late by then.
Just look at the presser yesterday the star players are the ones being put under the blowtorch publically but, Houli, Titch, Grigg, Ellis, Chaplin, and co some of Blair Hartley's Bargain Basement pick ups don't rate a mention nor for that matter get any blame.
To get rid of Hardwick you need to get rid of Hartley first. :shh
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Reckon if we get beaten tomorrow he might be gone on Monday
Only my opinion although natives are starting to get restless re direction .team selection and match day/game plan
Reckon he wont
He has the support of the 1 person that carries to much weight and I aint talking about anyone on the board ;D
Said it many times (rightly or wrongly) he wont be sacked now
He has to go though
Team selection for the past 8 weeks proves he has no idea about player development and developing the overall list
It's not a matter of if .its a matter of when
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Reckon if we get beaten tomorrow he might be gone on Monday
Only my opinion although natives are starting to get restless re direction .team selection and match day/game plan
Reckon he wont
He has the support of the 1 person that carries to much weight and I aint talking about anyone on the board ;D
Said it many times (rightly or wrongly) he wont be sacked now
who is this one person?
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spoon is our only hope of getting this muppet sacked.............
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2 spoons
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Reckon if we get beaten tomorrow he might be gone on Monday
Only my opinion although natives are starting to get restless re direction .team selection and match day/game plan
Reckon he wont
He has the support of the 1 person that carries to much weight and I aint talking about anyone on the board ;D
Said it many times (rightly or wrongly) he wont be sacked now
who is this one person?
The CEO
He has to go though
Team selection for the past 8 weeks proves he has no idea about player development and developing the overall list
It's not a matter of if .its a matter of when
Whether he has to go or not is not the point fact is he won't be going any time soon
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Does the CEO really carry that much weight?
After all isn't he appointed by the board?
Surely if the board wanted the coach sacked the CEO couldn't prevent it, even if it meant they had to sack him as well?
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Unless it's a board of muppets and puppets
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Does the CEO really carry that much weight?
After all isn't he appointed by the board?
Surely if the board wanted the coach sacked the CEO couldn't prevent it, even if it meant they had to sack him as well?
But he now sits on the board remember
Just think the board backs Benny unconditionally, so as long as the CEO backs the coach the coach is safe
Just my opinion
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I agree, the only way he will be sacked this year is if there is an event or events which bring things to breaking point.
Like if St Kilda came out and beat us by 100 points or we were smashed by 150 by a good team etc.......
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Gone Monday, now you can all go and rejoice. :lol
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Sack Gale then.
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Poo 2nd q
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Poo 2nd q
Sack him based on this then
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Bastard Damien
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Bastard Damien
It's been a whole since a post in here, way too long, well done Bents :clapping
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Brendon Bolton.
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Or Clarkson
Or horse
Or eminent oncologist, Mark 'Bomber' Thompson:
Double current contract offers..
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James Hird
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James Hird
Can't afford $2.4 million a year (twice his current income).
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How did we get this so wrong.......
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Is there a document titled "RFC gameplan"? If there is then it has to consist of blank pages.
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Is there a document titled "RFC gameplan"? If there is then it has to consist of blank pages.
It's written in Braille.
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Players continue to kick it to the pockets,
players continue to handpass to a stationary teammate 1 metre away,
players continue to overuse the ball.
Players continue to kick it 5-10-15 metres
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Players continue to handball to a bloke one metre away.
Players continue to miss targets.
Players continue to play crap footy.
Players continue to look lazy, lacking intensity.
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Two on the trot. Back on track :birthday
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Players continue to handball to a bloke one metre away.
Players continue to miss targets.
Players continue to play crap footy.
Players continue to look lazy, lacking intensity.
This is why we refuse to go to the football. It's UGLY & players need to be sacked. l would start with Rewoldt to be the 1st sacked. This guy is a nutter on & off the field
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Kevin Sheedy
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Arnot up forward again, Petterd at the centre bounces.....brilliant stuff....
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This has become a loooong thread now. I wonder if a mid year draft would have helped us?
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Kevin Bartlett
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Arnot up forward again, Petterd at the centre bounces.....brilliant stuff....
masterstroke
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Arnot up forward again, Petterd at the centre bounces.....brilliant stuff....
Though at least Petterd actually got us a couple of quick centre clearances by doing the unthinkable ....kicking it rather than handballing it ;D
Actually thought Petterd did well when he was up forward. At least he actually puts some defensive pressure and gave 2nd and 3rd efforts. Strange occurrence in our forward line in season 2014
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He did.
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Petterd was nowhere near our worst today and as you say WP, his 2nd and 3rd efforts in our forward line were conspicuous by the complete absence of any others.
Self-edited for accuracy
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Petterd was nowhere our worst today and as you say WP, his 2nd and 3rd efforts in our forward were conspicuous.
I would suggest "Beacons in the ocean" ;D
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Not a direct criticism at Pettard, more the fact that Arnott is an inside mid he replaced Thomas an inside mid and yet was almost exclusively played as a defensive fwd, which is ironically probably Pettards best position
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Not a direct criticism at Pettard, more the fact that Arnott is an inside mid he replaced Thomas an inside mid and yet was almost exclusively played as a defensive fwd, which is ironically probably Pettards best position
Agree with you there on both counts
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Not a direct criticism at Pettard, more the fact that Arnott is an inside mid he replaced Thomas an inside mid and yet was almost exclusively played as a defensive fwd, which is ironically probably Pettards best position
:thumbsup Agree TM
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Not a direct criticism at Pettard, more the fact that Arnott is an inside mid he replaced Thomas an inside mid and yet was almost exclusively played as a defensive fwd, which is ironically probably Pettards best position
Agreed. Petterd was ok and usually is despite what people say but stuff me, it's fairly basic stuff. Hardwick either overthinks or just doesn't think at all.
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Hardwick isnt going to be Richmonds next Premiership Coach. He knew how to get the team of the bottom of the ladder and get them to middle rung status at best, he is a middle rung coach. Not for us. Next
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Goals: McBean 5, McDonough 2, Lloyd 2, Lennon, Gordon, Stephenson, Griffiths, A. Edwards, Darrou
Best: McBean, McDonough, Lennon, Stephenson, Lloyd, A. Edwards
Good thing we didn't give them a game today
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Robbo on Miles ...
8. Anthony Miles.
Seriously, how did Miles not get a game for so long? In his five games with the Tigers, he has returned 19, 30, 28, 27 and 24 disposals and not laid under four tackles a game. In a season of lost hope, Miles is giving Tigers fans some joy.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/mark-robinson-says-brian-lake-deserves-lengthy-suspension-for-choker-hold-on-norths-drew-petrie/story-fnect155-1226979583942
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Robbo on Miles ...
8. Anthony Miles.
Seriously, how did Miles not get a game for so long? In his five games with the Tigers, he has returned 19, 30, 28, 27 and 24 disposals and not laid under four tackles a game. In a season of lost hope, Miles is giving Tigers fans some joy.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/mark-robinson-says-brian-lake-deserves-lengthy-suspension-for-choker-hold-on-norths-drew-petrie/story-fnect155-1226979583942
Like seriously
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FFS, even Robbo can see it. :banghead
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FFS, even Robbo can see it. :banghead
after the fact, but nevertheless :banghead
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Lol at Ricky lettersggiving interviews on regards to rRichmond recruiting strategy
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Ross Lyon: Injuries are no excuse...
Damien Hardwick: Oh look injuries have hurt us, really missed Rance & Lids...
Brendon McCartney on starting Jackson Macrae who averages 25 possessions a game as sub: Lucky to keep his spot. There are possessions and there is team accountability and there is defensive decision making that doesn't overload your teammates that you should make at the right time.
Possessions are important but not at the expense of how our team functions.
Damien Hardwick: Oh look, Griggy's an important part of the side, gives us that run, involed in X amount scoring chains blah blah blah...Oh look Brandon's been great for us this year.... .
Ross Lyon: Gets stuck into Barlow on the field for a turnover on full time in the derby that cost a goal in a game that was already won.
Damien Hardwick : Smiling & backslapping after we scrapped our way to or second win of the season in round 5 a win over then last-placed Brisbane up at the Gabba.
Ken Hinkley: Shoos his star player Chad Wingard away from the bench and forces him to stay on the ground to teach him the level of endurance required at AFL Level
Damien Hardwick: Oh look we probably should've played Dusty at half-back to start with....
Brendan McCartney: Just wants Bontempelli to concentrate on his football and not be pushed into the spotlight.
RFC: Makes Brandon Ellis the face of the club before he's 21.
Standards.
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Hardwick has no standards.
Has favourites!
:banghead
Two roads next year.
1st road: make finals, highly unlikely.
2nd road: Hardwick SACKED.
Will be good either way for the club.
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Seriously sacking Hardwick is not the answer... It's not the coach it's the players - Tony Jewell won a premiership with a side that eclipsed all others around them not because TJ was a good coach (he wasn't) but because we had a great list...
Our list now is well below par - we have way too many B & C-grade players and no A-graders (you heard me none)...
Cotchin - is a good player but not an A-grader (he disappears too much and never grabs the game by the scruff of the neck and take control)
Deledio - is an above average player that is too easily tagged out of the game - if he was an A-grader he would have learnt by now how to break the tag (he had all the skills and abilities to become a great - but he has never shown enough)
Riewoldt - is capable on his day - but he is never there when we really need him to stand up... (let's face it he ain't his cousin)
Martin - does some nice things but can only play a half of football - when the game gets to the pointy end where is he? (maybe if he increases his endurance but 1/2 a game does not make him an A-grader...
The fact we don't have any A-graders is shown in the fact that Jackson won the medal last year - Dan Jackson is a very good B-grader but should someone with his ability win the Jack Dyer Medal in a year we make finals?
We have way too many B/C-graders who get a game but really don't deserve one: Grigg, Dea, Edwards, Vickery, and half the time Conca. None of these guys put there bodies on the line enough for me and none work hard enough off the ball...
Then we come to the players that fill the list - O'Hanlan, McDonough, Helbig, Batchelor, et.al - they have had enough time and haven't given enough - get rid of them and try someone else...
Our list needs a major revamp
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Rance is easy 'A' grade
Mcdonuts has played 1.5 seasons and killed it on the weekend
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Seriously sacking Hardwick is not the answer... It's not the coach it's the players
But isn't that the point?
Hardwick has had 5 years to build it and he has stuffed it. If the players are no good the buck stops with him and the rest of the football department that a new coach will replace.
Or should we charge a man who has just demonstrated he couldn't do the job with another 5 years to try?
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Seriously sacking Hardwick is not the answer... It's not the coach it's the players
But isn't that the point?
Hardwick has had 5 years to build it and he has stuffed it. If the players are no good the buck stops with him and the rest of the football department that a new coach will replace.
Or should we charge a man who has just demonstrated he couldn't do the job with another 5 years to try?
10 year plans at Richmond.Hmmm. Finals on average once every 25 years. :help
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Seriously sacking Hardwick is not the answer... It's not the coach it's the players - Tony Jewell won a premiership with a side that eclipsed all others around them not because TJ was a good coach (he wasn't) but because we had a great list...
Our list now is well below par - we have way too many B & C-grade players and no A-graders (you heard me none)...
Cotchin - is a good player but not an A-grader (he disappears too much and never grabs the game by the scruff of the neck and take control)
Deledio - is an above average player that is too easily tagged out of the game - if he was an A-grader he would have learnt by now how to break the tag (he had all the skills and abilities to become a great - but he has never shown enough)
Riewoldt - is capable on his day - but he is never there when we really need him to stand up... (let's face it he ain't his cousin)
Martin - does some nice things but can only play a half of football - when the game gets to the pointy end where is he? (maybe if he increases his endurance but 1/2 a game does not make him an A-grader...
The fact we don't have any A-graders is shown in the fact that Jackson won the medal last year - Dan Jackson is a very good B-grader but should someone with his ability win the Jack Dyer Medal in a year we make finals?
We have way too many B/C-graders who get a game but really don't deserve one: Grigg, Dea, Edwards, Vickery, and half the time Conca. None of these guys put there bodies on the line enough for me and none work hard enough off the ball...
Then we come to the players that fill the list - O'Hanlan, McDonough, Helbig, Batchelor, et.al - they have had enough time and haven't given enough - get rid of them and try someone else...
Our list needs a major revamp
Almost the same players won 15 games last year. Do you suggest that all the wins were flukes?
The list is not as bad as people say. Sure we need a few more good players and we have our fair share of duds, but most teams can say that. I feel that our biggest problem this year is the WAY we play football. Our work rate is way down on last year. Our system has changed leading to slow ball movement and therefore an inability to score. Our entry inside 50 is one of the worst in the league. That is probably the most important kick in footy and we butcher it towards the boundary and pockets time and time again making it easy for opposition backs and making it difficult for us to kick a winning score or even just put score board pressure on the opposition. We also lack true leg speed to break a game open and that is where losing Matty White has hurt us.
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I just watched the Lions game again. :banghead
If you don't think the coach is to blame I feel sorry for you.
The way he has us playing is putrid.
There was a couple of minutes to go in the third quarter and Dan Jackson did what he has been told to do and kick it to the boundary from the 50 line, giving our forwards near no chance of kicking a goal. Must of happened 3 times in 2 minutes. Just ridiculas.
Not to mention the slow kicking sideways and backwards we do continually.
A decent coach would have the list playing finals IMO.
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There was a couple of minutes to go in the third quarter and Dan Jackson did what he has been told to do and kick it to the boundary from the 50 line, giving our forwards near no chance of kicking a goal. Must of happened 3 times in 2 minutes. Just ridiculas.
Not to mention the slow kicking sideways and backwards we do continually.
Hardwick's game plan:
1) Win clearance
2) handball 4 times and allow opponents to build pressure on you
3) guy who takes the 4th handball blindly kicks defensively towards boundary to relieve pressure
repeat
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Seriously sacking Hardwick is not the answer... It's not the coach it's the players - Tony Jewell won a premiership with a side that eclipsed all others around them not because TJ was a good coach (he wasn't) but because we had a great list...
Our list now is well below par - we have way too many B & C-grade players and no A-graders (you heard me none)...
Cotchin - is a good player but not an A-grader (he disappears too much and never grabs the game by the scruff of the neck and take control)
Deledio - is an above average player that is too easily tagged out of the game - if he was an A-grader he would have learnt by now how to break the tag (he had all the skills and abilities to become a great - but he has never shown enough)
Riewoldt - is capable on his day - but he is never there when we really need him to stand up... (let's face it he ain't his cousin)
Martin - does some nice things but can only play a half of football - when the game gets to the pointy end where is he? (maybe if he increases his endurance but 1/2 a game does not make him an A-grader...
The fact we don't have any A-graders is shown in the fact that Jackson won the medal last year - Dan Jackson is a very good B-grader but should someone with his ability win the Jack Dyer Medal in a year we make finals?
We have way too many B/C-graders who get a game but really don't deserve one: Grigg, Dea, Edwards, Vickery, and half the time Conca. None of these guys put there bodies on the line enough for me and none work hard enough off the ball...
Then we come to the players that fill the list - O'Hanlan, McDonough, Helbig, Batchelor, et.al - they have had enough time and haven't given enough - get rid of them and try someone else...
Our list needs a major revamp
Wait wait wait. Jackson is a "very good B-grader" but we have no A graders? Does that mean you rate Jackson on par with Martin, Lids, Cotch, Jack, Rance?
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The only relevent question the club needs to ask itself here is do we believe Hardwick can take us to a flag? If the answer is no then why continue wasting our time with him? Just to save money is not a good enough reason. Keeping him might well end up costing the club more in the long run anyway.
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Wait wait wait. Jackson is a "very good B-grader" but we have no A graders? Does that mean you rate Jackson on par with Martin, Lids, Cotch, Jack, Rance?
Yes - they are all B-grade players - that was the point
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If that trio are b grade
Jackson is d grade
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Almost the same players won 15 games last year. Do you suggest that all the wins were flukes?
The list is not as bad as people say. Sure we need a few more good players and we have our fair share of duds, but most teams can say that. I feel that our biggest problem this year is the WAY we play football. Our work rate is way down on last year. Our system has changed leading to slow ball movement and therefore an inability to score. Our entry inside 50 is one of the worst in the league. That is probably the most important kick in footy and we butcher it towards the boundary and pockets time and time again making it easy for opposition backs and making it difficult for us to kick a winning score or even just put score board pressure on the opposition. We also lack true leg speed to break a game open and that is where losing Matty White has hurt us.
No not flukes - just B-graders playing at their best (as a team) but they have lost the plot and that is what B-graders do
And I am not saying the list is the worst in the league - you need B-graders most clubs have around 80-90% of B-graders in their team - I'm saying we don't have anyone that can inspire by "grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck" - we don't have a Judd, Dangerfield, Abblet, Johnson, Roughead, Goodes to take the match apart...
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If that trio are b grade
Jackson is d grade
I would at least say he is C-grade - but I'm glad you get the point (they are B-grade)
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I don't think they are not necessarily A-Grade players but at the moment they are not playing at an A-Grade standard. You would have to argue that this is the coaches fault. They are not providing the efficient roles and structures to allow them to maximize their strengths. Last year they did but this year other teams have neutralized our systems and we have not adapted. This is the coaches responsibilities because despite injuries and form slumps we should have the developed depth to fill roles regardless.
Sacking Hardwick would be a huge mistake imo. What we do need though is better support around him. Look at the best clubs and they have spent the money to employ the best assistant coaches. We need more experience and tactical nous in the box on game day and more development staff to get the best out of all our players. The problem is though that with this years poor form we have, and will next year, lose money from low attendance and memberships. We need to invest in more staff and better quality coaches to support the head coach regardless of who that may be.
We are feeling Leppa's loss this year both from a man-on-man and contested perspective and also from a tactical point of view on game day. Leppa made a significant improvement to both Jack and Rance's careers with his coaching and was frequently the calling the shots in the box on game day. Dimma was usually in charge but when you have additional experience and tactical intelligence around you to bounce ideas off, you always make better decisions. This is what we are lacking in 2014.
I think we will step up again next year but it will require a change of game plans and output by players. I don't think the umpires change of focus (thanks Cambo ::)) with the incorrect disposal/holding the ball rule has assisted us this year because it has made the game more congested and tackle focused which suits teams full of inside midfielders. We are not one of those teams.
More experienced coaches, more development and a change/adaption of game plan and we will begin to play finals once again. Its not as big a jump as many would like you to believe. :shh :thumbsup
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Rance is easy 'A' grade
Mcdonuts has played 1.5 seasons and killed it on the weekend
I'll take your nomination under consideration - but not a lot of Full Backs have kicked enough goals to win a game - others kick the winning score and they stop goals...
McDonough - can star in the seconds as much as he wants - it's a big step up and he's not ready (how long do we wait?)
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I don't think they are not necessarily A-Grade players but at the moment they are not playing at an A-Grade standard. You would have to argue that this is the coaches fault. They are not providing the efficient roles and structures to allow them to maximize their strengths. Last year they did but this year other teams have neutralized our systems and we have not adapted. This is the coaches responsibilities because despite injuries and form slumps we should have the developed depth to fill roles regardless.
Sacking Hardwick would be a huge mistake imo. What we do need though is better support around him. Look at the best clubs and they have spent the money to employ the best assistant coaches. We need more experience and tactical nous in the box on game day and more development staff to get the best out of all our players. The problem is though that with this years poor form we have, and will next year, lose money from low attendance and memberships. We need to invest in more staff and better quality coaches to support the head coach regardless of who that may be.
We are feeling Leppa's loss this year both from a man-on-man and contested perspective and also from a tactical point of view on game day. Leppa made a significant improvement to both Jack and Rance's careers with his coaching and was frequently the calling the shots in the box on game day. Dimma was usually in charge but when you have additional experience and tactical intelligence around you to bounce ideas off, you always make better decisions. This is what we are lacking in 2014.
I think we will step up again next year but it will require a change of game plans and output by players. I don't think the umpires change of focus (thanks Cambo ::)) with the incorrect disposal/holding the ball rule has assisted us this year because it has made the game more congested and tackle focused which suits teams full of inside midfielders. We are not one of those teams.
More experienced coaches, more development and a change/adaption of game plan and we will begin to play finals once again. Its not as big a jump as many would like you to believe. :shh :thumbsup
I'll agree to disagree about the grading - but I like your thoughts :clapping
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I don't think they are not necessarily A-Grade players but at the moment they are not playing at an A-Grade standard. You would have to argue that this is the coaches fault. They are not providing the efficient roles and structures to allow them to maximize their strengths. Last year they did but this year other teams have neutralized our systems and we have not adapted. This is the coaches responsibilities because despite injuries and form slumps we should have the developed depth to fill roles regardless.
Sacking Hardwick would be a huge mistake imo. What we do need though is better support around him. Look at the best clubs and they have spent the money to employ the best assistant coaches. We need more experience and tactical nous in the box on game day and more development staff to get the best out of all our players. The problem is though that with this years poor form we have, and will next year, lose money from low attendance and memberships. We need to invest in more staff and better quality coaches to support the head coach regardless of who that may be.
We are feeling Leppa's loss this year both from a man-on-man and contested perspective and also from a tactical point of view on game day. Leppa made a significant improvement to both Jack and Rance's careers with his coaching and was frequently the calling the shots in the box on game day. Dimma was usually in charge but when you have additional experience and tactical intelligence around you to bounce ideas off, you always make better decisions. This is what we are lacking in 2014.
I think we will step up again next year but it will require a change of game plans and output by players. I don't think the umpires change of focus (thanks Cambo ::)) with the incorrect disposal/holding the ball rule has assisted us this year because it has made the game more congested and tackle focused which suits teams full of inside midfielders. We are not one of those teams.
More experienced coaches, more development and a change/adaption of game plan and we will begin to play finals once again. Its not as big a jump as many would like you to believe. :shh :thumbsup
I remember reading the same sort of thing from you when we were talking about sacking TW. Do you remember that Stripes? You backed him and blamed everyone but him... He'd got sacked and rightly so.
Now you have just blamed, Dimma's lack of help (which is his fault IMO, I'm sure he gets a say on who his employees are. He is very PIGHEADED and thinks he doesn't need help. That is as obvious as the nose on your face)
You blamed the game plan- which is 100% Dimma's fault.
You blamed the change in the umpiring, which is just ridiculas
You blamed the list which unfortunately is Dimma's responsibility while he is coach of the club.
At the end of the day what does he bring?
He has shown at match committee he has favourites.
He has refused to play (and draft) young kids this year.
His game style is 5 years too late.
He has NO PLAN B
Nothing against you Stripes but seriously why would we keep him other than for the money thing?
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:clapping
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Rance is easy 'A' grade
Mcdonuts has played 1.5 seasons and killed it on the weekend
I'll take your nomination under consideration - but not a lot of Full Backs have kicked enough goals to win a game - others kick the winning score and they stop goals...
McDonough - can star in the seconds as much as he wants - it's a big step up and he's not ready (how long do we wait?)
You're loopy dude. So to be A-grade it is a requirement to kick x amount of goals? Might as well fill the AA team with forwards ey
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I don't think they are not necessarily A-Grade players but at the moment they are not playing at an A-Grade standard. You would have to argue that this is the coaches fault. They are not providing the efficient roles and structures to allow them to maximize their strengths. Last year they did but this year other teams have neutralized our systems and we have not adapted. This is the coaches responsibilities because despite injuries and form slumps we should have the developed depth to fill roles regardless.
Sacking Hardwick would be a huge mistake imo. What we do need though is better support around him. Look at the best clubs and they have spent the money to employ the best assistant coaches. We need more experience and tactical nous in the box on game day and more development staff to get the best out of all our players. The problem is though that with this years poor form we have, and will next year, lose money from low attendance and memberships. We need to invest in more staff and better quality coaches to support the head coach regardless of who that may be.
We are feeling Leppa's loss this year both from a man-on-man and contested perspective and also from a tactical point of view on game day. Leppa made a significant improvement to both Jack and Rance's careers with his coaching and was frequently the calling the shots in the box on game day. Dimma was usually in charge but when you have additional experience and tactical intelligence around you to bounce ideas off, you always make better decisions. This is what we are lacking in 2014.
I think we will step up again next year but it will require a change of game plans and output by players. I don't think the umpires change of focus (thanks Cambo ::)) with the incorrect disposal/holding the ball rule has assisted us this year because it has made the game more congested and tackle focused which suits teams full of inside midfielders. We are not one of those teams.
More experienced coaches, more development and a change/adaption of game plan and we will begin to play finals once again. Its not as big a jump as many would like you to believe. :shh :thumbsup
I remember reading the same sort of thing from you when we were talking about sacking TW. Do you remember that Stripes? You backed him and blamed everyone but him... He'd got sacked and rightly so.
Now you have just blamed, Dimma's lack of help (which is his fault IMO, I'm sure he gets a say on who his employees are. He is very PIGHEADED and thinks he doesn't need help. That is as obvious as the nose on your face)
You blamed the game plan- which is 100% Dimma's fault.
You blamed the change in the umpiring, which is just ridiculas
You blamed the list which unfortunately is Dimma's responsibility while he is coach of the club.
At the end of the day what does he bring?
He has shown at match committee he has favourites.
He has refused to play (and draft) young kids this year.
His game style is 5 years too late.
He has NO PLAN B
Nothing against you Stripes but seriously why would we keep in other than for the money thing?
:clapping
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You're loopy dude. So to be A-grade it is a requirement to kick x amount of goals? Might as well fill the AA team with forwards ey
I thought this was an open forum but if you want to start disparaging remarks it does make it harder to have an intelligent debate...
Rance does his job and that is it - an A-grader does his job and more (is that simple enough for you to understand)
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I remember reading the same sort of thing from you when we were talking about sacking TW. Do you remember that Stripes? You backed him and blamed everyone but him... He'd got sacked and rightly so.
Now you have just blamed, Dimma's lack of help (which is his fault IMO, I'm sure he gets a say on who his employees are. He is very PIGHEADED and thinks he doesn't need help. That is as obvious as the nose on your face)
You blamed the game plan- which is 100% Dimma's fault.
You blamed the change in the umpiring, which is just ridiculas
You blamed the list which unfortunately is Dimma's responsibility while he is coach of the club.
At the end of the day what does he bring?
He has shown at match committee he has favourites.
He has refused to play (and draft) young kids this year.
His game style is 5 years too late.
He has NO PLAN B
Nothing against you Stripes but seriously why would we keep him other than for the money thing?
so what I'm getting is the problem is the same with Hardwick as it was with Wallace? Doesn't that mean there is something wrong somewhere deeper in the club? Instead of going after the easy target "The Coach" shouldn't we be demanding "The Club" does more to insure we have the right footballers?
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There is a multitude of problems at this club including but not limited to:
1. The List;
2. The poor performance of the assistant coaches except for Choco;
3. Poor drafting-eg not getting a quality small forward
4. Culture- eg of underperforming and downhill skiers
5. Attitude- eg thinking in a better position than are;
6. The game plan and the lack of an alternative.
Whilst is clear that the coach must bear some responsibility for problems it is not entirely the coach's fault. Others in this club need to be held accountable eg football department as a whole. Removing just the coach does not fix the problems. If you are going to have change it needs to be far reaching.
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There is a multitude of problems at this club including but not limited to:
1. The List;
2. The poor performance of the assistant coaches except for Choco;
3. Poor drafting-eg not getting a quality small forward
4. Culture- eg of underperforming and downhill skiers
5. Attitude- eg thinking in a better position than are;
6. The game plan and the lack of an alternative.
Whilst is clear that the coach must bear some responsibility for problems it is not entirely the coach's fault. Others in this club need to be held accountable eg football department as a whole. Removing just the coach does not fix the problems. If you are going to have change it needs to be far reaching.
I wasn't saying it was Dimma's fault entirely. But these points you bring up are the coaches responsibility.
The List- is Dimma's responsibility while he is in charge. If he thought throughout his 5 years that FJ and his team were no good he should do whatever it takes to replace them. Just like if a player was no good, it's Dimma's responsibility to replace them.
The poor performance of the assistant coaches- once again I don't think you can blame anyone else for who are the assistant coaches other than Dimma. Let's be honest most of them are 'no names'
I'm afraid IMO Dimma like to do things Dimma's way and having STRONG outspoken people around him I don't think really suits Dimma. Even Choco seems to have a lesser roll this year.
Poor drafting- see item 1. He needs to get people into the job that can deliver because it impacts on him. FJ has had long enough to get better at what he does.. In any other industry he would have been shown the door a long time ago. Getting our first pick right mostly is not enough. IMO even the size of the players drafted for their position with our first pick doesn't relay what the industry is doing. To many undersized midfielders.
Culture- culture IMO is winning. You win games and the culture takes care of itself. Dimma's responsibility.
Attitude- don't think anyone can argue that attitude is the coaching departments responsibility.
The game plan and lack of alternative- see above.
So I'm not really sure what part of our problem hasn't got to do with Dimma and his team that he has created. The only part the CLUB can be at fault of doing is giving Dimma an extension when they did. Nobody was going to poach him, why not leave it until closer to the end of his current contract?
Now as a CLUB we have to either pay him out and look like idiots or keep him there for another two years and undo all the good work they had done previously.
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I remember reading the same sort of thing from you when we were talking about sacking TW. Do you remember that Stripes? You backed him and blamed everyone but him... He'd got sacked and rightly so.
Now you have just blamed, Dimma's lack of help (which is his fault IMO, I'm sure he gets a say on who his employees are. He is very PIGHEADED and thinks he doesn't need help. That is as obvious as the nose on your face)
You blamed the game plan- which is 100% Dimma's fault.
You blamed the change in the umpiring, which is just ridiculas
You blamed the list which unfortunately is Dimma's responsibility while he is coach of the club.
At the end of the day what does he bring?
He has shown at match committee he has favourites.
He has refused to play (and draft) young kids this year.
His game style is 5 years too late.
He has NO PLAN B
Nothing against you Stripes but seriously why would we keep him other than for the money thing?
so what I'm getting is the problem is the same with Hardwick as it was with Wallace? Doesn't that mean there is something wrong somewhere deeper in the club? Instead of going after the easy target "The Coach" shouldn't we be demanding "The Club" does more to insure we have the right footballers?
I dont know where you got that from but we all know thats not what it is. Hardwick has had a support network and footy department TW and every preceding RFC coach did not - not even close. When TW was coach Greg Miller was the footy department boss AND recruiting FFS we only had our quota of assistant line coaches no development coaches...
To the clubs credit they finally got it right and realised we needed to beef up the footy depart across the board which they have done significantly the past 5 years. Now they need to refine it and bring in better people to replace current employees including the coach whose direction has to be questioned.
If they dont want to replace the coach bc of contractual obligations then replace Hartley and FJ and bring in some more assistant/development coaches.
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You're loopy dude. So to be A-grade it is a requirement to kick x amount of goals? Might as well fill the AA team with forwards ey
I thought this was an open forum but if you want to start disparaging remarks it does make it harder to have an intelligent debate...
LMAO you have seen nothing yet if you are taking offense at that, run away and go get your hard hat sonny
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You're loopy dude. So to be A-grade it is a requirement to kick x amount of goals? Might as well fill the AA team with forwards ey
I thought this was an open forum but if you want to start disparaging remarks it does make it harder to have an intelligent debate...
Rance does his job and that is it - an A-grader does his job and more (is that simple enough for you to understand)
Loopy was tongue in cheek :thumbsup hence the dude after it. It's a bit harsh to expect Rance to kick goals off his own boot though is it not? Shouldn't his ability as a key defender to still be probably our best rebounding defender be a credit to him and be an example of how he goes beyond just his role?
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Sacking Hardwick would be a huge mistake imo.
Stripes. Be interested to know why you think it would be a huge mistake? What is the downside?
The only downside I can see is the loss of $$$ from paying out his contract but I reckon that would be mitigated by the loss of $$$ keeping him would have on attendances, membership and sponsorship.
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There is a multitude of problems at this club including but not limited to:
1. The List;
2. The poor performance of the assistant coaches except for Choco;
3. Poor drafting-eg not getting a quality small forward
4. Culture- eg of underperforming and downhill skiers
5. Attitude- eg thinking in a better position than are;
6. The game plan and the lack of an alternative.
Whilst is clear that the coach must bear some responsibility for problems it is not entirely the coach's fault. Others in this club need to be held accountable eg football department as a whole. Removing just the coach does not fix the problems. If you are going to have change it needs to be far reaching.
I wasn't saying it was Dimma's fault entirely. But these points you bring up are the coaches responsibility.
The List- is Dimma's responsibility while he is in charge. If he thought throughout his 5 years that FJ and his team were no good he should do whatever it takes to replace them. Just like if a player was no good, it's Dimma's responsibility to replace them.
The poor performance of the assistant coaches- once again I don't think you can blame anyone else for who are the assistant coaches other than Dimma. Let's be honest most of them are 'no names'
I'm afraid IMO Dimma like to do things Dimma's way and having STRONG outspoken people around him I don't think really suits Dimma. Even Choco seems to have a lesser roll this year.
Poor drafting- see item 1. He needs to get people into the job that can deliver because it impacts on him. FJ has had long enough to get better at what he does.. In any other industry he would have been shown the door a long time ago. Getting our first pick right mostly is not enough. IMO even the size of the players drafted for their position with our first pick doesn't relay what the industry is doing. To many undersized midfielders.
Culture- culture IMO is winning. You win games and the culture takes care of itself. Dimma's responsibility.
Attitude- don't think anyone can argue that attitude is the coaching departments responsibility.
The game plan and lack of alternative- see above.
So I'm not really sure what part of our problem hasn't got to do with Dimma and his team that he has created. The only part the CLUB can be at fault of doing is giving Dimma an extension when they did. Nobody was going to poach him, why not leave it until closer to the end of his current contract?
Now as a CLUB we have to either pay him out and look like idiots or keep him there for another two years and undo all the good work they had done previously.
a lot of the things you have raised in my humble opinion are very valid but culture stems from the top. It is ultimately the entire club's responsibility. For example it is the club that ultimately determines who coaches the club and what expectations they have of the coach. Furthermore the appointment of staff in the football department whilst Dimma has a say is ultimately a decision of the club. The club as a whole needs to take responsibility for the debacle we are in. If you get rid of the coach you need to get rid of the underperforming players and staff such as recruiters and assistant coaches. Far sweeping change is required.
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Sacking Hardwick would be a huge mistake imo.
Stripes. Be interested to know why you think it would be a huge mistake? What is the downside?
The only downside I can see is the loss of $$$ from paying out his contract but I reckon that would be mitigated by the loss of $$$ keeping him would have on attendances, membership and sponsorship.
Eggs Zachary
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if gary ablett was at richmond and did his shoulder...
would dimma tell to keep playing or get the op?
dont forget the crowds...
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Keeping Hardwick or dumping him is a performance issue, not $. It's Richmond. A new coach brings more $ than a poorly performing contracted one. That's the easy bit.
His performance as a coach and particularly his senior selections have been disgraceful. The players talk standards in the media - it's like Rolf Harris talking stranger danger. Hardwick in 1 year has almost undone the previous 4.
It's going to be a massive call but he is actually making it easier on the powers that be by continually leading with his chin
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LMAO you have seen nothing yet if you are taking offense at that, run away and go get your hard hat sonny
I didn't take offence just the fact that the first words out of his mouth is an insult proves a lack of intellect and as an adult I expect to have conversations here with people of like reason - I would expect that sought of thing from some who lacks maturity. Grown men don't need to be derogatory or demeaning to get their point across...
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Loopy was tongue in cheek :thumbsup hence the dude after it. It's a bit harsh to expect Rance to kick goals off his own boot though is it not? Shouldn't his ability as a key defender to still be probably our best rebounding defender be a credit to him and be an example of how he goes beyond just his role?
I hear you - Rance is just about the best part of the team at the moment - I agree with that but we are in desperate need of players that break lines and take on the game...
Surely you must me angry when you watch the players flat footed when we have possession and the half-hearted chases when the opposition does
:cheers
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I dont know where you got that from but we all know thats not what it is. Hardwick has had a support network and footy department TW and every preceding RFC coach did not - not even close. When TW was coach Greg Miller was the footy department boss AND recruiting FFS we only had our quota of assistant line coaches no development coaches...
To the clubs credit they finally got it right and realised we needed to beef up the footy depart across the board which they have done significantly the past 5 years. Now they need to refine it and bring in better people to replace current employees including the coach whose direction has to be questioned.
If they dont want to replace the coach bc of contractual obligations then replace Hartley and FJ and bring in some more assistant/development coaches.
OK firstly football as a game has changed dramatically over the last decade and we have only just come out of the finacial hole we built for ourselves after the revenge buying we did with Collingwood (30 years to pay back the debt) - we had restraints Barlett had even less and the footballers supplied to him shouldn't have got a game with the seconds...
I should point out that Greg Miller does not rate highly in human beings I have known so I shouldn't get involved in a conversation about him...
Wallace came in and at first he looked like he too was building something but then it all turned to garbage (seems to be a pattern)
let's pretend for a minute you are right :shh what would it achieve? Who would you replace Hardwick with? Even a new coach couldn't win a premiership with the cattle we have (let's face it they are just not good enough) We need some class players to make this list work...
I don't disagree with you about Jackson and Hartley (and there are a numbers of others that sould also be shown the door - before Hardwick)
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what would it achieve?
a lot
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LMAO you have seen nothing yet if you are taking offense at that, run away and go get your hard hat sonny
I didn't take offence just the fact that the first words out of his mouth is an insult proves a lack of intellect and as an adult I expect to have conversations here with people of like reason - I would expect that sought of thing from some who lacks maturity. Grown men don't need to be derogatory or demeaning to get their point across...
I didn't expect anyone on this forum to even take loopy as an insult :lol.
I'm just still baffled at you rating Jackson as well as Cotchin etc.
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Sorry I missed all this discussion but I'm here now so I thought i would answer a few of your questions. As I've said earlier, I know my opinion isn't a popular one around here but I feel there are far too many supporters out there who like to blame the head coach for ever problem we ever have - that is outright BS.
On Wallace
I did support Wallace for longer than many here but many death rode him from almost the get-go too. He lost me in his last year when he began to try and save his career and promote himself as a list analyst. Wallace was a good coach but he just wasn't the right coach for us at that time. Wallace was very media savvy and his spin allowed us a few years to rebuild without the immediate negative media scrutiny we had faced with other coaches. He was a good tactician and motivator. The problem was though, he was not a developer of youth and left others to educate our draftees while he worked on strategies.
As a result he barely spoke to some of our young players personally at all. With the sheer amount of young players and investment we had put into these high draft picks, it was a horrible failure by Wallace not to teach them how to play. Instead he relied upon his 'age bracket' theory that when the majority of our lust reached a certain age we would be contenders. What he failed to realize is that to make it to that golden age/experience level you have to have shown enough talent to still be on that list. Most of our high draftees never reached their potential.
The other major difference was that Wallace had little to no financial, assistant or board level support. We had the right idea as a club but then we didn't invest in recruitment or development. Wallace had no chance unless he took this all on himself which he didn't and is probably unrealistic to suggest he could do so regardless.
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There is a multitude of problems at this club including but not limited to:
1. The List;
2. The poor performance of the assistant coaches except for Choco;
3. Poor drafting-eg not getting a quality small forward
4. Culture- eg of underperforming and downhill skiers
5. Attitude- eg thinking in a better position than are;
6. The game plan and the lack of an alternative.
Whilst is clear that the coach must bear some responsibility for problems it is not entirely the coach's fault. Others in this club need to be held accountable eg football department as a whole. Removing just the coach does not fix the problems. If you are going to have change it needs to be far reaching.
:clapping
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Sacking Hardwick would be a huge mistake imo.
Stripes. Be interested to know why you think it would be a huge mistake? What is the downside?
The only downside I can see is the loss of $$$ from paying out his contract but I reckon that would be mitigated by the loss of $$$ keeping him would have on attendances, membership and sponsorship.
The reason I feel it would be a huge mistake is because for the first time in decades we have a unified club from the players to the CEO. We have gradually improved every year until this year. All out numbers, on and off the field, have trended upwards. You always place more weight on trends rather than anomalies. A single year in comparison to a pattern of five can not be used to base an argument upon. The reality is, is that unless next year we fail on field again, we can not correctly judge Hardwick's coaching tenure on one poor year.
I do not blame HArdwick for all the woes of my club. He is but one important cog in the machine. Bringing in a new coach may help temporarily but it will not correct the problem. We have invested in this journey together, we've got the ship, we've picked the crew and have trained them, we've got the map in front of us. Even though we've run aground atm, lets trust the club to fix it to allow the captain to get us to our destination rather than sink the ship entirely.
I don't want to rebuild and start again.
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if gary ablett was at richmond and did his shoulder...
would dimma tell to keep playing or get the op?
dont forget the crowds...
how naieve, abletts doctors advice was to have the op or risk complications if he doesnt.
in other words miss 7 games this yr or at 30 risk what career you have left.
if their coach had any say in the decision id be totally surprised. hardwick would follow doctors orders. when we get the daggers out we blame em for everything and anything.
it would be impossible to get a balanced debate on anything hardwick on this site atm. seems atm hes not only the coach, but head recruiter, list manager fitness guru club doctor and id not be surprised to hear someone blame him for poor boots or something.
if we blame him for everything and anything, the only thing that will happen is those who are responsible get away scott free.
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Sacking Hardwick would be a huge mistake imo.
Stripes. Be interested to know why you think it would be a huge mistake? What is the downside?
The only downside I can see is the loss of $$$ from paying out his contract but I reckon that would be mitigated by the loss of $$$ keeping him would have on attendances, membership and sponsorship.
The reason I feel it would be a huge mistake is because for the first time in decades we have a unified club from the players to the CEO. We have gradually improved every year until this year. All out numbers, on and off the field, have trended upwards. You always place more weight on trends rather than anomalies. A single year in comparison to a pattern of five can not be used to base an argument upon. The reality is, is that unless next year we fail on field again, we can not correctly judge Hardwick's coaching tenure on one poor year.
I do not blame HArdwick for all the woes of my club. He is but one important cog in the machine. Bringing in a new coach may help temporarily but it will not correct the problem. We have invested in this journey together, we've got the ship, we've picked the crew and have trained them, we've got the map in front of us. Even though we've run aground atm, lets trust the club to fix it to allow the captain to get us to our destination rather than sink the ship entirely.
I don't want to rebuild and start again.
Francesco Schettino says hello! (Costa Concordia captain)
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There is a multitude of problems at this club including but not limited to:
1. The List;
2. The poor performance of the assistant coaches except for Choco;
3. Poor drafting-eg not getting a quality small forward
4. Culture- eg of underperforming and downhill skiers
5. Attitude- eg thinking in a better position than are;
6. The game plan and the lack of an alternative.
Whilst is clear that the coach must bear some responsibility for problems it is not entirely the coach's fault. Others in this club need to be held accountable eg football department as a whole. Removing just the coach does not fix the problems. If you are going to have change it needs to be far reaching.
did my post then went back and had a look a comments. this post sort of sums up what i said.
hardwick has been poor in a lot things but he is not responsible for all things. blame him for everything and those responsible for a lot of our ills will walk away without a scratch.
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Has he been fired yet??
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what would it achieve?
a lot
A lot really? Probably about as much was achieved when we sacked: Wallace, Frawley, Gieschen, Walls, Bartlett, Sproule, Bourke, Jewell (twice) and Hafey
All these sacked coaches got us was debt and unfulfilled expectations - there are bigger problems at the club - we can't develop players and have not for thirty years - in fact when players come to Richmond they tend to lose ability rather than gain it...
eg: When Kane Johnson came to the club he could hit people lace out everytime - by his second and third year he couldn't hit the grandstand from 10 metres... and all the kids with such potential that we couldn't turn into footballers: Banik, Poole, Tambling other sides can develop their kids - why can't we?
Albert Einstein defined insanity as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
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LMAO you have seen nothing yet if you are taking offense at that, run away and go get your hard hat sonny
I didn't take offence just the fact that the first words out of his mouth is an insult proves a lack of intellect and as an adult I expect to have conversations here with people of like reason - I would expect that sought of thing from some who lacks maturity. Grown men don't need to be derogatory or demeaning to get their point across...
I didn't expect anyone on this forum to even take loopy as an insult :lol.
I'm just still baffled at you rating Jackson as well as Cotchin etc.
when a sentence begins with "You're loupy" it doesn't have a lot of places to go and can't end well (but that's cool - I've got big shoulders)
Not sure what you mean by my rating of Jackson and Cotchin?
But Jackson is just a footballer (I like Daniel I think he gives his all and I wish others would follow his lead) his abilities are what I would refer to as league standard - his level of ability and endeavour is what the majority seniors should be - we just don't have the top echelon of players to take advantage of his work.
Cotchin - is an outside player but doesn't have the speed or strength required - he doesn't have a penetrating kick and gets tagged out of the game to easily
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Spot on re: development
My issue with the coach is the recruiting and the lack of development from the lower grades
He is also a liar and has recruited a few blokes who can't kick
He has to go because he is doing a lot of damage to the bottom dollar. That being said it's a sideways move unless the whole football department, except choco follow him out the door
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Oh goody... looks like we've got another Cotchin basher on board.
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Albert Einstein defined insanity as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
So we are stuffed in so many words.
We know Einstein's four theories now we have discovered his fifth theory of relativity.
Whether we sack the coach or not we are fornicated.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
Or as a scientific theory
a) = RFC
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Albert Einstein defined insanity as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
So we are stuffed in so many words.
We know Einstein's four theories now we have discovered his fifth theory of relativity.
Whether we sack the coach or not we are fornicated.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
Or as a scientific theory
a) = RFC
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Only 3 coaches so far this century and people still think we're sack happy and "eat our own".
If anything we've gone too far the other way. All 3 clowns have stayed too long. There's a whole bunch of other things we've been doing over & over again that defines the insanity of the last decade and a half, sacking too many coaches has not been one of them. Over-generous contracts & early extensions on the other hand....
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Media and society conscious and it's still a PR disaster.
We are stuffed no matter what we do.
Too timid to do something, too timid to not do it.
We are a hindsight club and a template to all other clubs to never follow our model.
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Media and society conscious and it's still a PR disaster.
We are stuffed no matter what we do.
Too timid to do something, too timid to not do it.
We are a hindsight club and a template to all other clubs to never follow our model.
As I've said, 17 clubs must follow a simple mantra for success: WWRD? - What Would Richmond do? Then do the opposite.
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Media and society conscious and it's still a PR disaster.
We are stuffed no matter what we do.
Too timid to do something, too timid to not do it.
We are a hindsight club and a template to all other clubs to never follow our model.
As I've said, 17 clubs must follow a simple mantra for success: WWRD? - What Would Richmond do? Then do the opposite.
Many theories all come to the same conclusion. :thumbsup
Einstein even worked this out 80 years ago.
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Has he been fired yet??
No but he's still scratching his head. :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3
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what would it achieve?
a lot
A lot really? Probably about as much was achieved when we sacked: Wallace, Frawley, Gieschen, Walls, Bartlett, Sproule, Bourke, Jewell (twice) and Hafey
All these sacked coaches got us was debt and unfulfilled expectations - there are bigger problems at the club - we can't develop players and have not for thirty years - in fact when players come to Richmond they tend to lose ability rather than gain it...
eg: When Kane Johnson came to the club he could hit people lace out everytime - by his second and third year he couldn't hit the grandstand from 10 metres... and all the kids with such potential that we couldn't turn into footballers: Banik, Poole, Tambling other sides can develop their kids - why can't we?
Albert Einstein defined insanity as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
TIGERITIS™®©
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Albert Einstein defined insanity as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
So we are stuffed in so many words.
We know Einstein's four theories now we have discovered his fifth theory of relativity.
Whether we sack the coach or not we are fornicated.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
Or as a scientific theory
a) = RFC
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9-18
®©™
:lol
:clapping :clapping
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Oh goody... looks like we've got another Cotchin basher on board.
Not a Cotchin basher as much as a realist - Deledio was going to be the best player ever - better than Judd, Cousins, Goodes on their best day - it didn't happen...
Cotchin is a good player and I would pick him every week but is he a great player? does he impose himself on the game? should he be Captain?
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So we are stuffed in so many words.
Whether we sack the coach or not we are fornicated.
Sure if you want to take it that way - we can give up but I personally would rather find what the real problem is and fix it - it's more than the coach - we need to demand more from the club - not just the coach - it's called due diligence and corporate governance and the club has failed these...
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So we are stuffed in so many words.
Whether we sack the coach or not we are fornicated.
Sure if you want to take it that way - we can give up but I personally would rather find what the real problem is and fix it - it's more than the coach - we need to demand more from the club - not just the coach - it's called due diligence and corporate governance and the club has failed these...
Agree Agree Agree
Our way forward is find the best recruiting team possible and the best player development program team and dio it ASAP, start to identify our next coach now, get a deal sorted then when Hardwicks contract is up our path will be a lot clearer. As an aside, choco had a high profile last year, now we hear nada, plus i think losing Leppitsch had a very big effect on the playing group...comments?
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I agree Mint
Anyone who thinks it's just the coach has mental issues. He is the main culprit I agree but the cancer has spread to all areas.
Look at the hawks as an example. Ceglar, Langford, etc
We need a perfectionist as a coach not some finnochio like our current one.
Watch clarkson in the box when the crows get a late goal, smashing the water bottle in anger. Game was over but still he wants and demands excellence.
They have Bolton Ratten we have Daly, Williams the poo one.
The club is going no where, that was evident to me since the elimination final so what did we do recruit another Angus and Thomas, whilst still playing hacks like Newman
The club is bereft of ideas, and they won't source an experienced assistant because the coach won't want to be insecure about his own job
I looked back at spud and used to defend him by saying at least he got us into a final that we won, however the fact is he ruined our list with recycled duds and I'm sorry to say the effect will be much worse this time around.
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Ratten >>> dimma
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Ratten >>> dimma
I actually agree. I think Hardwick is done as coach of the Richmond Football Club.
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Ratten can get judd for a farewell year at tiger land after malthouse desists him
Would be good foil for our the like of vlastuin, lids, chimp, martin
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I agree Mint
Anyone who thinks it's just the coach has mental issues. He is the main culprit I agree but the cancer has spread to all areas.
Look at the hawks as an example. Ceglar, Langford, etc
We need a perfectionist as a coach not some finnochio like our current one.
Watch clarkson in the box when the crows get a late goal, smashing the water bottle in anger. Game was over but still he wants and demands excellence.
They have Bolton Ratten we have Daly, Williams the poo one.
The club is going no where, that was evident to me since the elimination final so what did we do recruit another Angus and Thomas, whilst still playing hacks like Newman
The club is bereft of ideas, and they won't source an experienced assistant because the coach won't want to be insecure about his own job
I looked back at spud and used to defend him by saying at least he got us into a final that we won, however the fact is he ruined our list with recycled duds and I'm sorry to say the effect will be much worse this time around.
I agree with this.
I thought Hardwick was the guy but he just doesn't have the answers. Plays favourites, rewards mediocrity time and time again and just scratches his head when things go wrong. :huh3
Clarkson was frustrated to the end even when the game was decided in the final minutes.
He is the type of coach our club needs. Someone who won't be perturbed either by the frenzy of success nor by the lows of failure but demands high standards that generates both consistency and excellence no matter the result.
He has the know-how, the mental toughness and integrity to rid this club once & for all of the stench of satisfaction, the virus of vanity, the disease of complacency, the malady of mediocrity, the infection of indifference, the curse of contentment & everything else that has plagued this club & encapsulates Tigeritis™®©.
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We can kiss ling goodbye he's going to the dees.
We are a useless club.
RFC. plop plop plop(used by permission. D.F)
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The port spare back in west huff doing the damage
The richmond plus one Chaplin useless
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Dimma realised you can man up the extra loose defender :o
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I disagree, he should be sacked for coaching us to meaningless wins and costing us draft picks. ;D
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It was the teams game plan today, not fkwicks
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Master coaching by Dimma putting Chaplin in the forward line...kicked two crucial goals when the heat was on.
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LMAO.
Dimwit is gonna try and blueprint PA's gameplan from here in.
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Master coaching by Dimma putting Chaplin in the forward line...kicked two crucial goals when the heat was on.
Thought he coached well today (for a change). Got the match ups right and responded to Hinkley's moves with good moves of his own.
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Master coaching by Dimma putting Chaplin in the forward line...kicked two crucial goals when the heat was on.
Thought he coached well today (for a change). Got the match ups right and responded to Hinkley's moves with good moves of his own.
C'mon smokey that positiveness is just not on
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I wonder if they also canned the over use of the handball..seemed far less handball today
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Master coaching by Dimma putting Chaplin in the forward line...kicked two crucial goals when the heat was on.
Dragged Westhoff out of the forward line as Port tried to expose our lack of pace with forward 50 entries into an open forward line. In the end it backfired and our first half barring the couple of goals Morris gave up was our best half of footy of the year given the opponent.
Where has this style footy been all year. :-\
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I disagree, at the ground I thought he was out coached.
Port reshuffled at half-time and set up with Westhoff loose in the third term, Riewoldt was gesturing to the bench before the play started to get them to sort it and Vickery called the runner out to talk to him.
It still took 12 mins for our structure to change, in the meantime Port added multiple goals.
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I disagree, at the ground I thought he was out coached.
Port reshuffled at half-time and set up with Westhoff loose in the third term, Riewoldt was gesturing to the bench before the play started to get them to sort it and Vickery called the runner out to talk to him.
It still took 12 mins for our structure to change, in the meantime Port added multiple goals.
Thanks for that.
Interesting and not surprising.
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I disagree, at the ground I thought he was out coached.
Port reshuffled at half-time and set up with Westhoff loose in the third term, Riewoldt was gesturing to the bench before the play started to get them to sort it and Vickery called the runner out to talk to him.
It still took 12 mins for our structure to change, in the meantime Port added multiple goals.
C'mon mate can't let u get away with that one, we beat them fair and sq in every kpi there is , there's not a shred to support he was out coached in a upset 20 point win
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I disagree, at the ground I thought he was out coached.
Port reshuffled at half-time and set up with Westhoff loose in the third term, Riewoldt was gesturing to the bench before the play started to get them to sort it and Vickery called the runner out to talk to him.
It still took 12 mins for our structure to change, in the meantime Port added multiple goals.
At the 12 minute mark of the 3rd quarter both teams had kicked 2 goals. They got one at 2.50 and 4.40 then we answered with one at 6.50 and 11.25. Port had been playing Westhoff loose in the backline before half time so I'm not sure what restructuring they did at the break or how it wasn't successfully countered.
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The difference today was intensity, at the opposition and the ball.
The change was purely and simply above the shoulders.
If it has anything to do with Hardwick then he should be sacked immediately as he has failed to produce it in his side when it counted.
I suspect it had more to do with the players being free of expectations that can drag down the mentally weak.
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Huge critic of Dimma
Today coached superb
Kept manning up on the extra they had in our F50
And one stage we had an 8 man forward line which won us the game
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I suspect it had more to do with the players being free of expectations that can drag down the mentally weak.
I think Garry Lyon or was it Caro on footy classified who suggested Richmond are happy to be the hunter but can't put up with the pressure of being the hunted so youu might be onto something
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The difference today was intensity, at the opposition and the ball.
The change was purely and simply above the shoulders.
If it has anything to do with Hardwick then he should be sacked immediately as he has failed to produce it in his side when it counted.
I suspect it had more to do with the players being free of expectations that can drag down the mentally weak.
Can't handle being the hunted so they are happy to be the hunter. Pretty standard RFC practice when finals are out of the equation
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Was caro Lamington
Never thought of it like that but she is so right
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Port been playing beyond themselves and peaked halfway thru the season.
The transition to consistency was never gonna happen.
Will finish 8th.
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Port been playing beyond themselves and peaked halfway thru the season.
The transition to consistency was never gonna happen.
Will finish 8th.
correct
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I disagree, at the ground I thought he was out coached.
Port reshuffled at half-time and set up with Westhoff loose in the third term, Riewoldt was gesturing to the bench before the play started to get them to sort it and Vickery called the runner out to talk to him.
It still took 12 mins for our structure to change, in the meantime Port added multiple goals.
Great post.
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I disagree, at the ground I thought he was out coached.
Port reshuffled at half-time and set up with Westhoff loose in the third term, Riewoldt was gesturing to the bench before the play started to get them to sort it and Vickery called the runner out to talk to him.
It still took 12 mins for our structure to change, in the meantime Port added multiple goals.
Great post.
X2
Another thing is we played better whenever the game reverted to one-on-one .
Funnily enough, pretty much the same thing occured last night in the VFL side's win over Geelong.
Hopefully the club is finally learning the reason why they call one-on-one/contested football "finals football" and will take it into next year.
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..oh and our midfield is so much better without Thomas in it.....and Hamspud's absence of course speaks for itself...
What an utter stuffing waste of two spots they are.
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if gary ablett was at richmond and did his shoulder...
would dimma tell to keep playing or get the op?
dont forget the crowds...
how naieve, abletts doctors advice was to have the op or risk complications if he doesnt.
in other words miss 7 games this yr or at 30 risk what career you have left.
if their coach had any say in the decision id be totally surprised. hardwick would follow doctors orders. when we get the daggers out we blame em for everything and anything.
it would be impossible to get a balanced debate on anything hardwick on this site atm. seems atm hes not only the coach, but head recruiter, list manager fitness guru club doctor and id not be surprised to hear someone blame him for poor boots or something.
if we blame him for everything and anything, the only thing that will happen is those who are responsible get away scott free.
So playing deledio cotchin Morris etc. with injury had zero percent of having a negative impact on their football life?
Coughlan comes to mind.
I certain hope you are right
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if gary ablett was at richmond and did his shoulder...
would dimma tell to keep playing or get the op?
dont forget the crowds...
how naieve, abletts doctors advice was to have the op or risk complications if he doesnt.
in other words miss 7 games this yr or at 30 risk what career you have left.
if their coach had any say in the decision id be totally surprised. hardwick would follow doctors orders. when we get the daggers out we blame em for everything and anything.
it would be impossible to get a balanced debate on anything hardwick on this site atm. seems atm hes not only the coach, but head recruiter, list manager fitness guru club doctor and id not be surprised to hear someone blame him for poor boots or something.
if we blame him for everything and anything, the only thing that will happen is those who are responsible get away scott free.
So playing deledio cotchin Morris etc. with injury had zero percent of having a negative impact on their football life?
Coughlan comes to mind.
I certain hope you are right
The much clearer examples are Maric, King and Morris.
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I just cant help thinking that ur football department got so many things wrong this season on all fronts and need to be made accountable.Right from free agency to the rookee draft and then preson.We played footy against the power like we did last season run and carry.
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It was the teams game plan today, not fkwicks
Then why didn't they do anything the other games. FFS sack them all!
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20 tackles in first 3 quarters
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Yep, I'm still firm on this stance.
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That's because GWS weren't first to the ball, they were scragging our players just waiting for them to take possession
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Yep, I'm still firm on this stance.
If he gets his way again we'll have Ryan O'Keefe and Shaun Higgins on the list next year too. Whoever takes over from Hardwick in 2016 is going to inherit a whole bunch of old rejects from other clubs reserves. Gonna be a long road back
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our coaching staff have said that they had to dip into the used car sales because of the compromised drafts/lets see this year whether they change their tune and opt for new car sales
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if gary ablett was at richmond and did his shoulder...
would dimma tell to keep playing or get the op?
dont forget the crowds...
how naieve, abletts doctors advice was to have the op or risk complications if he doesnt.
in other words miss 7 games this yr or at 30 risk what career you have left.
if their coach had any say in the decision id be totally surprised. hardwick would follow doctors orders. when we get the daggers out we blame em for everything and anything.
it would be impossible to get a balanced debate on anything hardwick on this site atm. seems atm hes not only the coach, but head recruiter, list manager fitness guru club doctor and id not be surprised to hear someone blame him for poor boots or something.
if we blame him for everything and anything, the only thing that will happen is those who are responsible get away scott free.
So playing deledio cotchin Morris etc. with injury had zero percent of having a negative impact on their football life?
Coughlan comes to mind.
I certain hope you are right
you do realise the difference between playing with an injury that causes pain but has no real potential of aggravating the injury and having long term complications. from playing on with an injury that has the potential to end your career.
you cant make that leap no wonder i pay so little regard to your posts.
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if gary ablett was at richmond and did his shoulder...
would dimma tell to keep playing or get the op?
dont forget the crowds...
how naieve, abletts doctors advice was to have the op or risk complications if he doesnt.
in other words miss 7 games this yr or at 30 risk what career you have left.
if their coach had any say in the decision id be totally surprised. hardwick would follow doctors orders. when we get the daggers out we blame em for everything and anything.
it would be impossible to get a balanced debate on anything hardwick on this site atm. seems atm hes not only the coach, but head recruiter, list manager fitness guru club doctor and id not be surprised to hear someone blame him for poor boots or something.
if we blame him for everything and anything, the only thing that will happen is those who are responsible get away scott free.
So playing deledio cotchin Morris etc. with injury had zero percent of having a negative impact on their football life?
Coughlan comes to mind.
I certain hope you are right
you do realise the difference between playing with an injury that causes pain but has no real potential of aggravating the injury and having long term complications. from playing on with an injury that has the potential to end your career.
you cant make that leap no wonder i pay so little regard to your posts.
And you know this because of your medical degree or some inside medical knowledge?
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That's just basic knowledge.
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That's just basic knowledge.
Really?
So I would assume you know the anatomy of the brachial plexus too?
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We won't sack him this week! ;D
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That's just basic knowledge.
Really?
So I would assume you know the anatomy of the brachial plexus too?
Basic knowledge
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That's just basic knowledge.
Really?
So I would assume you know the anatomy of the brachial plexus too?
Basic knowledge
So you are saying you know the exact movement of the humerus and the strain it puts on the plexus for Morris?
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Claw will explain it to me
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Claw will explain it to me
Oh yes, claw. Forgot about him. Has been early quiet with his usual lambasting of Griff in the last 18 hours….
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Claw will explain it to me
:lol :lol :lol
:bow
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:lol
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That's just basic knowledge.
Really?
So I would assume you know the anatomy of the brachial plexus too?
I actually have anatomy knowledge but let's not deviate from the point because unlike you, I don't feel the need to act superior. He simply said there are some injuries that don't cause more problems which is pretty common knowledge, you don't need to know the anatomy behind the nerves or the glenohumeral joint.
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That's just basic knowledge.
Really?
So I would assume you know the anatomy of the brachial plexus too?
I actually have anatomy knowledge but let's not deviate from the point because unlike you, I don't feel the need to act superior. He simply said there are some injuries that don't cause more problems which is pretty common knowledge, you don't need to know the anatomy behind the nerves or the glenohumeral joint.
and that's about as vague a statement as one could make to try and prove their point.
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That's just basic knowledge.
Really?
So I would assume you know the anatomy of the brachial plexus too?
I actually have anatomy knowledge but let's not deviate from the point because unlike you, I don't feel the need to act superior. He simply said there are some injuries that don't cause more problems which is pretty common knowledge, you don't need to know the anatomy behind the nerves or the glenohumeral joint.
and that's about as vague a statement as one could make to try and prove their point.
See that's where YBB's problem was though, he read too much into pretty much a nothing statement.
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That's just basic knowledge.
Really?
So I would assume you know the anatomy of the brachial plexus too?
I actually have anatomy knowledge but let's not deviate from the point because unlike you, I don't feel the need to act superior. He simply said there are some injuries that don't cause more problems which is pretty common knowledge, you don't need to know the anatomy behind the nerves or the glenohumeral joint.
and that's about as vague a statement as one could make to try and prove their point.
See that's where YBB's problem was though, he read too much into pretty much a nothing statement.
If you can't see what I was doing I'll have to explain. Claw was having a go at the Judge's knowledge of injuries by making a comment on injuries himself. He was specifically talking about Morris' injury. It wasn't a nothing statement. How the hell does claw know what the extent of Morris' injury is? Claw has no medical training (or appears that way anyway) but he is happy to have a go at a fellow forum member using "facts" to back up a pretty rude statement.
My point is that NOBODY on here could possibly know exactly what his shoulder injury is and that as such cannot assume that he isn't doing any damage every time he pops out his shoulder.
Then you come on to add fuel to the fire by saying that it's basic knowledge. Well, how do you come to that conclusion? Do you also know the exact state of Morris' shoulder injury? I highly doubt it.
I'm not here to cast any superiority over any one else, be assured of that. However, I do take offence to posters that write things they have no right to post and in the mean time are being rude to someone else whilst they are posting these comments.
I do feel I have a right to challenge posters on comments they have made, especially on medical grounds, if I do seriously disagree with their views.
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Y&B I do agree with you about people being aggressive or rude here.Although I must admit I have also sometimes become rather rude to people ,many times going back and deleting my posts.
As for facts I guess sometimes the line between fact and opinion becomes clouded.
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I was more focusing on this part...
you do realise the difference between playing with an injury that causes pain but has no real potential of aggravating the injury and having long term complications. from playing on with an injury that has the potential to end your career.
you cant make that leap no wonder i pay so little regard to your posts.
And you know this because of your medical degree or some inside medical knowledge?
Fact is there is some injuries that have the potential for long term effects where some don't. I was just backing up that claim. He was basing Morris' injury on the very real possibility that they were following doctors orders who would of done numerous tests to assess for damage. So no I don't know Morris' injury but that was never what I was claiming to be basic knowledge.
Out of curiosity what do you think the extent of Morris' injury is? No trick question because I don't know, it just sounds like you may think it's worse than I do
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Guys please stop distracting from this ripper thread
Surely Dimma has to go, what's MIck M doing?
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I was more focusing on this part...
you do realise the difference between playing with an injury that causes pain but has no real potential of aggravating the injury and having long term complications. from playing on with an injury that has the potential to end your career.
you cant make that leap no wonder i pay so little regard to your posts.
And you know this because of your medical degree or some inside medical knowledge?
Fact is there is some injuries that have the potential for long term effects where some don't. I was just backing up that claim. He was basing Morris' injury on the very real possibility that they were following doctors orders who would of done numerous tests to assess for damage. So no I don't know Morris' injury but that was never what I was claiming to be basic knowledge.
Out of curiosity what do you think the extent of Morris' injury is? No trick question because I don't know, it just sounds like you may think it's worse than I do
I really don't know. However all shoulder dislocations have the ability to stretch nerves in that area. All you need is for the shoulder to pop out and someone to wrench on his arm at the same time and a serious nerve injury could easily occur. That is what they teach at medical school. Nothing like that should be looked at ever as innocuous.
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His game plan got us to 3-10.
Players questioned it, he changed it and have since won.
How could he be so ignorant playing that game style which cost us matches against Bulldogs, Melbourne, Gold Coast, Sydney, Fremantle.
Shouldn't be in the position we are in now! We should be 12-7! Not 9-10 ...
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In all seriousness, I have reservations about dimma, but hopefully he's learnt and grown as a coach this season, in which case we can still move forward. We can hope... Proof will be in the pudding at seasons end but have heard we rate the draft and will go deep.
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His game plan got us to 3-10.
Players questioned it, he changed it and have since won.
How could he be so ignorant playing that game style which cost us matches against Bulldogs, Melbourne, Gold Coast, Sydney, Fremantle.
Shouldn't be in the position we are in now! We should be 12-7! Not 9-10 ...
I can't believe he has done this to us
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In all seriousness, I have reservations about dimma, but hopefully he's learnt and grown as a coach this season, in which case we can still move forward. We can hope... Proof will be in the pudding at seasons end but have heard we rate the draft and will go deep.
Do we have any other choice but to rate it deep?
Moving fwd, Don't think the PR spin will wind down for our next dry patch (I.e. When we play a bunch of teams 1-8th.)
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In all seriousness, I have reservations about dimma, but hopefully he's learnt and grown as a coach this season, in which case we can still move forward. We can hope... Proof will be in the pudding at seasons end but have heard we rate the draft and will go deep.
Do we have any other choice but to rate it deep?
Moving fwd, Don't think the PR spin will wind down for our next dry patch (I.e. When we play a bunch of teams 1-8th.)
Given our penchant for the recycled type Im actually surprised dooky
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I was more focusing on this part...
you do realise the difference between playing with an injury that causes pain but has no real potential of aggravating the injury and having long term complications. from playing on with an injury that has the potential to end your career.
you cant make that leap no wonder i pay so little regard to your posts.
And you know this because of your medical degree or some inside medical knowledge?
Fact is there is some injuries that have the potential for long term effects where some don't. I was just backing up that claim. He was basing Morris' injury on the very real possibility that they were following doctors orders who would of done numerous tests to assess for damage. So no I don't know Morris' injury but that was never what I was claiming to be basic knowledge.
Out of curiosity what do you think the extent of Morris' injury is? No trick question because I don't know, it just sounds like you may think it's worse than I do
I really don't know. However all shoulder dislocations have the ability to stretch nerves in that area. All you need is for the shoulder to pop out and someone to wrench on his arm at the same time and a serious nerve injury could easily occur. That is what they teach at medical school. Nothing like that should be looked at ever as innocuous.
But the rate of it actually doing damage to the nerves is pretty low and if it hasn't done it the first time the consecutive times are less likely
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I was more focusing on this part...
you do realise the difference between playing with an injury that causes pain but has no real potential of aggravating the injury and having long term complications. from playing on with an injury that has the potential to end your career.
you cant make that leap no wonder i pay so little regard to your posts.
And you know this because of your medical degree or some inside medical knowledge?
Fact is there is some injuries that have the potential for long term effects where some don't. I was just backing up that claim. He was basing Morris' injury on the very real possibility that they were following doctors orders who would of done numerous tests to assess for damage. So no I don't know Morris' injury but that was never what I was claiming to be basic knowledge.
Out of curiosity what do you think the extent of Morris' injury is? No trick question because I don't know, it just sounds like you may think it's worse than I do
I really don't know. However all shoulder dislocations have the ability to stretch nerves in that area. All you need is for the shoulder to pop out and someone to wrench on his arm at the same time and a serious nerve injury could easily occur. That is what they teach at medical school. Nothing like that should be looked at ever as innocuous.
But the rate of it actually doing damage to the nerves is pretty low and if it hasn't done it the first time the consecutive times are less likely
My never fail remedy to footy injuries is a bottle of red
Just saying
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For me it is a simple message.
If you fail you get sacked.
If we don't win a final this year then Hardwick gets sacked.
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For me it is a simple message.
If you fail you get sacked.
If we don't win a final this year then Hardwick gets sacked.
If he gets us to finals does he get sucked, and who does it?
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if gary ablett was at richmond and did his shoulder...
would dimma tell to keep playing or get the op?
dont forget the crowds...
how naieve, abletts doctors advice was to have the op or risk complications if he doesnt.
in other words miss 7 games this yr or at 30 risk what career you have left.
if their coach had any say in the decision id be totally surprised. hardwick would follow doctors orders. when we get the daggers out we blame em for everything and anything.
it would be impossible to get a balanced debate on anything hardwick on this site atm. seems atm hes not only the coach, but head recruiter, list manager fitness guru club doctor and id not be surprised to hear someone blame him for poor boots or something.
if we blame him for everything and anything, the only thing that will happen is those who are responsible get away scott free.
So playing deledio cotchin Morris etc. with injury had zero percent of having a negative impact on their football life?
Coughlan comes to mind.
I certain hope you are right
you do realise the difference between playing with an injury that causes pain but has no real potential of aggravating the injury and having long term complications. from playing on with an injury that has the potential to end your career.
you cant make that leap no wonder i pay so little regard to your posts.
I do reliae the difference. Thank you for asking old chum.
M question is can you without question tell me hardwick has not sent out a player with te former?
If so good.
He's seemed try happy to top up to me. I would reckon he would have told ablett to play out the season given our circumstances.
I have doubts Morris shoulder popping out twice a game is beneficial to his long term football health
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For me it is a simple message.
If you fail you get sacked.
If we don't win a final this year then Hardwick gets sacked.
If we come come 9th
And win two finals
How many years extension does dimma get
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If he gets to finals then that just isn't good enough! He should have got us in the top 4 and if we win the GF well we were 3-10 at the start of the season for God sake! ::)
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For me it is a simple message.
If you fail you get sacked.
If we don't win a final this year then Hardwick gets sacked.
If we come come 9th
And win two finals
How many years extension does dimma get
Six is the number
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For me it is a simple message.
If you fail you get sacked.
If we don't win a final this year then Hardwick gets sacked.
If he gets us to finals does he get sucked, and who does it?
volunteers?
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No, the next logical step for this team was to win a final.
I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be the pass mark.
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No, the next logical step for this team was to win a final.
I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be the pass mark.
Did you just volunteer?
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I will do what needs to be done.
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I will do what needs to be done.
:bow
You won't see other spackass posters making that sacrafice
Well done TBR, you have my respect
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its a tough act to swallow, but you cant argue with the troops on the frontline.
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Needs a ticket tape parade after his tour of duty
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Y&B I do agree with you about people being aggressive or rude here.Although I must admit I have also sometimes become rather rude to people ,many times going back and deleting my posts.
As for facts I guess sometimes the line between fact and opinion becomes clouded.
Nah, it's quite simple G. What I say is a FACT and what others say isn't. K?
:P
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My never fail remedy to footy injuries is a bottle of red
Just saying
That's my remedy to most of the complications in life Chucky. Complicated things like breathing etc etc.
:cheers
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As bad as we are supposedly with Dimma, all I can do is laugh at Blues fans.
Heading nowhere towards a decade of obscurity with a crap list are the Blues
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8890708
All of a sudden, Carlton football club is a happy place to be.
Improved AFL performances, a legendary re-signing, an inspirational debut and a happy coach.
It's all added up to a mood coach Mick Malthouse calls "buoyant" as the Blues head in to a Friday night clash with Geelong.
To borrow a line from another team song; They're a happy team at Carlton, they're the mighty fighting Blues.
Malthouse says the impressive AFL debut of Ciaran Sheehan against Gold Coast has been a big factor to lift the club.
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If only Ablett had been injured at the start of the season...
...pfft... we probably still would've lost...
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Definitely a disadvantage playing the newer clubs early in a season, history will show they run out of puff toward the end of season and are full of running and pumped at the start. Youth and exuberance can be hard to beat when you are not at your best.
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That Sheehan had about 8 touches did he not. It's only impressive because he's from another country and unfortunately for them he's up against players from this country who are better.
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Malthouse is nothing more than an RFC mole planted at carkton to destroy them
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If only we'd been awake in h1 of the bulldogs and cats games or just playedike crap instead of vomit against the demons...
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This thread has gone eerily silent....... :shh
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This thread has gone eerily silent....... :shh
Had some quality posters that havent said boo since we started to win as well
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This thread has gone eerily silent....... :shh
Had some quality posters that havent said boo since we started to win as well
name names chucky!
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Get bomber
I'll even make his sandwiches
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Get bomber
I'll even make his sandwiches
Will you supply the Coke too? It's his favourite "drink"!
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I still don't think Hardwick will coach a flag.
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Nor do I.
If hardwixch isn't to be sacked I certainly hope the club beefs up with some assistants that are not nobodies.
And bring in a big name director of football.
Can't see us winning a flag with the current formula. I worry about his match day coaching and list management
Yes. Coke. Water bottles. Rolls. Sandwich.
#whateveritakes
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This thread has gone eerily silent....... :shh
Had some quality posters that havent said boo since we started to win as well
name names chucky!
There was that fleabag idiot.
Unplugged wasn't much better either
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I still don't think Hardwick will coach a flag.
Good for you.
On the law of probability, you will be correct. However, the same could be said of ANY coach Richmond hires.
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I still don't think Hardwick will coach a flag.
Good for you.
On the law of probability, you will be correct. However, the same could be said of ANY coach Richmond hires.
Let me be clearer, I don't think Hardwick has the skill set to be capable of taking a side to a Premiership.
Let's face it, we are all enjoying a side fighting for a spot in the eight right now, when they should be well and truly cemented for another finals campaign.
I'd like to see him replaced, but only for a coach who has the elite level in them that Hardwick lacks, like Thompson.
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I still don't think Hardwick will coach a flag.
Good for you.
On the law of probability, you will be correct. However, the same could be said of ANY coach Richmond hires.
Let me be clearer, I don't think Hardwick has the skill set to be capable of taking a side to a Premiership.
Let's face it, we are all enjoying a side fighting for a spot in the eight right now, when they should be well and truly cemented for another finals campaign.
I'd like to see him replaced, but only for a coach who has the elite level in them that Hardwick lacks, like Thompson.
Good players make good coaches.
Look at Melbourne. The got Tyson, Salem, and that bloke from Adelaide (who can play a bit). They have improved because their playing personnel has improved a bit. They have the super coach Roos who has made them a better defensive unit. However, the playing group determine the results.
Geelong in 2007 is an excellent example. They were poor in the first few games even with the mighty Bomber Thompson as coach. The playing group got together, disciplined Stevie J and from then on hardly lost a game. Real improvements come from on field leadership, not from the coaches box.
For Richmond to improve, we need our on field leaders to demand excellence and to demand sustained effort. We need to find players who have these qualities in the draft too. That's what will improve us. Not continually sacking coaches. The coach stays as long as he hasn't lost the playing group.
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Na thats crap
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Na thats crap
Thanks Bents! :thumbsup
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Very clever decision by Dimma to move Lids to Half Forward recently. Has made him very difficult to tag out of a game. It was a great move to push Dusty forward late against the Crows too.
Making some very intelligent coaching decisions lately is our coach :thumbsup ;D
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Very clever decision by Dimma to move Lids to Half Forward recently. Has made him very difficult to tag out of a game. It was a great move to push Dusty forward late against the Crows too.
Making some very intelligent coaching decisions lately is our coach :thumbsup ;D
Cmon Stripes, that crap is just not on
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Very clever decision by Dimma to move Lids to Half Forward recently. Has made him very difficult to tag out of a game. It was a great move to push Dusty forward late against the Crows too.
Making some very intelligent coaching decisions lately is our coach :thumbsup ;D
For stuffs sake!
The idiot was forced to try other things AFTER he went half the year "sticking to his guns"
Nothing brilliant about that, my friend!
Add to the stupidity -
1-Hampson both being drafted and persisted with when Big O would have been better
2-Picking up Thomas who ultimately was his preferred choice over Miles.
3-Not playing Miles until he had no other option
4-Big Ivan doing a presser admitting that the clubs training standards were up the creek.
Feel free to continue the list
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5. Constantly making ridiculous comments in press conference like "We're a better team than last year" instead of confronting the issues before it was too late.
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5. Constantly making ridiculous comments in press conference like "We're a better team than last year" instead of confronting the issues before it was too late.
But is it too late?
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I think so.
We could have been fighting for a top 4 spot instead of hopeful of other teams losing to allow us to finish 8.
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5. Constantly making ridiculous comments in press conference like "We're a better team than last year" instead of confronting the issues before it was too late.
6-Dimmers dissection.stuff that right orf!
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7- The gameplan, which apparently hasn't deviated as evident in the admission by dimmer in which he stated "look, we knew if we just stuck to the plan things owuld turn around"
So what happened to the chip-kicking, backward handballing and taking the long way home (which clearly NEVER WORKED!)
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Na thats crap
Thanks Bents! :thumbsup
;)
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I think so.
We could have been fighting for a top 4 spot instead of hopeful of other teams losing to allow us to finish 8.
your joking right. top 4 we are miles away.
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I think so.
We could have been fighting for a top 4 spot instead of hopeful of other teams losing to allow us to finish 8.
your joking right. top 4 we are miles away.
4 games out and lost to Gold Coast, Melbourne and the Bulldogs.
Clearly not at the level but in the mix to contest, as we were last year.
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All means poo when in 2 weeks when we miss out on finals
Complete waste of a year and if we think finals will be a given next year with this list they should think again
I blame hardwick for screwing the year up starting with that decision to rubbing Ivan into the ground so he missed those crucial games
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All means poo when in 2 weeks when we miss out on finals
Complete waste of a year and if we think finals will be a given next year with this list they should think again
I blame hardwick for screwing the year up starting with that decision to rubbing Ivan into the ground so he missed those crucial games
that's right...
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8. Playing martin as a half back sweeper.
9. Selecting Newman, Grigg and friends ad nauseam
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10. Being a gimp
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11- Forcing Tuck into retirement when he poos on Thomas
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All means poo when in 2 weeks when we miss out on finals
Complete waste of a year and if we think finals will be a given next year with this list they should think again
I blame hardwick for screwing the year up starting with that decision to rubbing Ivan into the ground so he missed those crucial games
:clapping
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Just hold on a bit boys, this thread will be pumping next week
Along with the mentally week/weak one and the embarrassment one
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2s sucked donkeys balls.
Firsts struggles against last place
Throw the kitchen sick at clarkson
10 million buddy deal
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Just hold on a bit boys, this thread will be pumping next week
Along with the mentally week/weak one and the embarrassment one
What happens if we do the impossible and win Chucky? :whistle
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Just hold on a bit boys, this thread will be pumping next week
Along with the mentally week/weak one and the embarrassment one
What happens if we do the impossible and win Chucky? :whistle
Hmmmmm hold in abeyance to the first week of finals then I suppose
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Just hold on a bit boys, this thread will be pumping next week
Along with the mentally week/weak one and the embarrassment one
What happens if we do the impossible and win Chucky? :whistle
Extension
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Just hold on a bit boys, this thread will be pumping next week
Along with the mentally week/weak one and the embarrassment one
Don't forget the rebuild failure ones.
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Yeh, look.....this is all a bit ironic in a way.
Seems to me the players were put in the unenviable position of having to confront the coach in regards to both his game plan ( was "a carbon copy of Hawks and wasn't working") and then the embarrassing public admission that training standards were not only sloppy but well below the profe$$ional level required and expected.
Add the recruitment of hampson, thomas, the ridiculous handling of Ivans surgeries and the ignorance of neglecting miles and you have the profile of a complete imbecile.
Whats your points?
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Just hold on a bit boys, this thread will be pumping next week
Along with the mentally week/weak one and the embarrassment one
What happens if we do the impossible and win Chucky? :whistle
Extension
:lol :bow
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Yeh, look.....this is all a bit ironic in a way.
Seems to me the players were put in the unenviable position of having to confront the coach in regards to both his game plan ( was "a carbon copy of Hawks and wasn't working") and then the embarrassing public admission that training standards were not only sloppy but well below the profe$$ional level required and expected.
Add the recruitment of hampson, thomas, the ridiculous handling of Ivans surgeries and the ignorance of neglecting miles and you have the profile of a complete imbecile.
Whats your points?
My point is that Miles should have been promoted earlier, unsure why anyone else cant see this
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Yeh, look.....this is all a bit ironic in a way.
Seems to me the players were put in the unenviable position of having to confront the coach in regards to both his game plan ( was "a carbon copy of Hawks and wasn't working") and then the embarrassing public admission that training standards were not only sloppy but well below the profe$$ional level required and expected.
Add the recruitment of hampson, thomas, the ridiculous handling of Ivans surgeries and the ignorance of neglecting miles and you have the profile of a complete imbecile.
Whats your points?
My point is that Miles should have been promoted earlier, unsure why anyone else cant see this
Well, in that case - as you were ;D
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Yeh, look.....this is all a bit ironic in a way.
Seems to me the players were put in the unenviable position of having to confront the coach in regards to both his game plan ( was "a carbon copy of Hawks and wasn't working") and then the embarrassing public admission that training standards were not only sloppy but well below the profe$$ional level required and expected.
Add the recruitment of hampson, thomas, the ridiculous handling of Ivans surgeries and the ignorance of neglecting miles and you have the profile of a complete imbecile.
Whats your points?
Agree with it all, but the question is who is out there who could do better?, Please advise 3 possible coaches
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My point is that Miles should have been promoted earlier, unsure why anyone else cant see this
Correct, this was just one of many mistakes made; preseason --> front half of the year, but having said that, it was one of the most glaring and significant mistakes of them all.
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So time to look for a new coach then. Who do you guys suggest?
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Yeh, look.....this is all a bit ironic in a way.
Seems to me the players were put in the unenviable position of having to confront the coach in regards to both his game plan ( was "a carbon copy of Hawks and wasn't working") and then the embarrassing public admission that training standards were not only sloppy but well below the profe$$ional level required and expected.
Add the recruitment of hampson, thomas, the ridiculous handling of Ivans surgeries and the ignorance of neglecting miles and you have the profile of a complete imbecile.
Whats your points?
Agree with it all, but the question is who is out there who could do better?, Please advise 3 possible coaches
No use in speculating that far.
He's locked in
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Yeh, look.....this is all a bit ironic in a way.
Seems to me the players were put in the unenviable position of having to confront the coach in regards to both his game plan ( was "a carbon copy of Hawks and wasn't working") and then the embarrassing public admission that training standards were not only sloppy but well below the profe$$ional level required and expected.
Add the recruitment of hampson, thomas, the ridiculous handling of Ivans surgeries and the ignorance of neglecting miles and you have the profile of a complete imbecile.
Whats your points?
Agree with it all, but the question is who is out there who could do better?, Please advise 3 possible coaches
No use in speculating that far.
He's locked in
Might as well plan ahead given he's such a terrible coach. Who are you thinking of as his replacement?
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Best for you to hope he learned from his unacceptable mistakes and will be a better coach for it.
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So time to look for a new coach then. Who do you guys suggest?
Nathan Bassett or Andrew Collins
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Best for you to hope he learned from his unacceptable mistakes and will be a better coach for it.
That's what Im hoping has happened
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Yeh, look.....this is all a bit ironic in a way.
Seems to me the players were put in the unenviable position of having to confront the coach in regards to both his game plan ( was "a carbon copy of Hawks and wasn't working") and then the embarrassing public admission that training standards were not only sloppy but well below the profe$$ional level required and expected.
Add the recruitment of hampson, thomas, the ridiculous handling of Ivans surgeries and the ignorance of neglecting miles and you have the profile of a complete imbecile.
Whats your points?
Agree with it all, but the question is who is out there who could do better?, Please advise 3 possible coaches
No use in speculating that far.
He's locked in
Might as well plan ahead given he's such a terrible coach. Who are you thinking of as his replacement?
I dare say you wouldn't mind Terry Wallace back the way you backed him to the very end. Good to see you are doing it again with Dimma. I hope you are right this time around.
I like your loyalty Stripes. :thumbsup
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My point is that Miles should have been promoted earlier, unsure why anyone else cant see this
Correct, this was just one of many mistakes made; preseason --> front half of the year, but having said that, it was one of the most glaring and significant mistakes of them all.
Avatar is good :thumbsup
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Contract extensions give Damien Hardwick, Nathan Buckley and Brenton Sanderson ease to plan
Michelangelo Rucci:
The Advertiser
August 26, 2014
SEASON 2014 is to be the first in nine years that will (or could) end without an AFL coach being sacked.
And the only coach from that year of stability in 2005 still in the same job and at the same club is Alastair Clarkson. Such is the volatile nature of AFL coaching.
Before the 2014 season began, three coaches — three rivals who this weekend are each chasing the same last berth to the AFL finals — were given extended tenures with two-year contract extensions.
Damien Hardwick signed a new deal at Richmond on December 11 last year. Clearly, the Tigers wanted — as Adelaide tried with Neil Craig in 2011 — to end the speculation on when Hardwick would be rewarded for delivering Richmond to its first final series in 12 years while advancing the club from 15th to seventh in his first four years.
Richmond will say Hardwick had earned his new deal and deserved the right to work without distraction — and that the Tigers were staying true to their vision of a club built on stability.
At 3-10, the Richmond board must have felt the heat being turned up. Now that Hardwick has put the Tigers on an eight-game winning streak, the directors are inspired men and women.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/michelangelo-rucci-contract-extensions-give-damien-hardwick-nathan-buckley-and-brenton-sanderson-ease-to-plan/story-fnlpdory-1227036418716
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Is that an article or a recap of events? Good stuff Rucci :clapping
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I dare say you wouldn't mind Terry Wallace back the way you backed him to the very end. Good to see you are doing it again with Dimma. I hope you are right this time around.
I like your loyalty Stripes. :thumbsup
:fishing Dropping a line in bigtone :P
Wallace lost me in the end when he began coaching for his career and advertising his services for a new job. Wallace was actually a good match day coach, probably better than Dimma in this regard, but he never developed the players. Considering the state of our list and the amount of youth we brought in, this was a crucial mistake. Wallace did very well motivating and deconstructing opposition game plans with the established list at the Dogs. He couldn't do that Richmond and failed to try and adopt other strategies with the squad. Poor old Tucky didn't know what he was doing half the time.
Unlike a few on her bigtone, I remained loyal until the last year rather than calling for his head when the process/rebuild wasn't even half finished. Anyone can death-ride a coach and be proven right because in the end they are all going to be sacked eventually.
I'd rather support the club, the players and coach for the most part and focus on improvements/repairs rather than continually having to start again. I'm sick of rebuilds.
People are great at saying pointing out the problem without coming up with the solution. So if Hardwick is not he answer who is bigtone?
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rucci has rance as the #1 defender in the game before the year had started
he knows where its at :clapping
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newman
chaplin
grigg
hampson
going into '15 with one hand tied behind our back ?
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I dare say you wouldn't mind Terry Wallace back the way you backed him to the very end. Good to see you are doing it again with Dimma. I hope you are right this time around.
I like your loyalty Stripes. :thumbsup
:fishing Dropping a line in bigtone :P
Wallace lost me in the end when he began coaching for his career and advertising his services for a new job. Wallace was actually a good match day coach, probably better than Dimma in this regard, but he never developed the players. Considering the state of our list and the amount of youth we brought in, this was a crucial mistake. Wallace did very well motivating and deconstructing opposition game plans with the established list at the Dogs. He couldn't do that Richmond and failed to try and adopt other strategies with the squad. Poor old Tucky didn't know what he was doing half the time.
Unlike a few on her bigtone, I remained loyal until the last year rather than calling for his head when the process/rebuild wasn't even half finished. Anyone can death-ride a coach and be proven right because in the end they are all going to be sacked eventually.
I'd rather support the club, the players and coach for the most part and focus on improvements/repairs rather than continually having to start again. I'm sick of rebuilds.
People are great at saying pointing out the problem without coming up with the solution. So if Hardwick is not he answer who is bigtone?
Not fishing at all Stripes, just saying it how I remember it. :whistle
Mate it's easy to have blind faith and think all things are roses in life, it's much harder to identify the problem before all is lost. Wallace set us back 5 years. You were about 4 years late in the Wallace fiasco. All the words in the world cannot defend that now.
If you are asking me a hypothetical about Dimma not being the answer and who would be then I would say Alistair Clarkson. :shh
Dimma has lost me because he has favorites that he continually plays. And also the lack of playing young guys when they have earned it.
Dimma doesn't coach like he played, he was tough and uncompromising, but as a coach he is soft and predictable.
The last eight wins haven't changed anything in my mind, all it's done is show just how bad he coached earlier in the year. The fact the players had to come out and say "you are to soft on us" is the most pathetic thing I have heard from an AFL club. And that short backwards and sideways kicking game plan he was running with earlier this year was just as bad. The fact Jack had to come out and say it was no good is even more laughable/sad.
His coaching panel is just horrible, and his attempt to change star players into something they are not just shows me he is out of his depth.
Ie Jack, has just about taken all the good things that made him special out of his game. Doesn't lead anymore, doesn't leap at the footy like he used to and refuses to try and isolate him close to goal.
Dusty, taking our most dynamic player and trying to turn him into a dime a dozen back flanker. Blind Freddy can see you just have to let this kid free to take the game on. He will win you more games than he will save you playing at half back.
Anyway just a few things Dimma needs to work on IMO or he will be showed the door just like you mate TW was. :cheers
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I dare say you wouldn't mind Terry Wallace back the way you backed him to the very end. Good to see you are doing it again with Dimma. I hope you are right this time around.
I like your loyalty Stripes. :thumbsup
:fishing Dropping a line in bigtone :P
Wallace lost me in the end when he began coaching for his career and advertising his services for a new job. Wallace was actually a good match day coach, probably better than Dimma in this regard, but he never developed the players. Considering the state of our list and the amount of youth we brought in, this was a crucial mistake. Wallace did very well motivating and deconstructing opposition game plans with the established list at the Dogs. He couldn't do that Richmond and failed to try and adopt other strategies with the squad. Poor old Tucky didn't know what he was doing half the time.
Unlike a few on her bigtone, I remained loyal until the last year rather than calling for his head when the process/rebuild wasn't even half finished. Anyone can death-ride a coach and be proven right because in the end they are all going to be sacked eventually.
I'd rather support the club, the players and coach for the most part and focus on improvements/repairs rather than continually having to start again. I'm sick of rebuilds.
People are great at saying pointing out the problem without coming up with the solution. So if Hardwick is not he answer who is bigtone?
Not fishing at all Stripes, just saying it how I remember it. :whistle
Mate it's easy to have blind faith and think all things are roses in life, it's much harder to identify the problem before all is lost. Wallace set us back 5 years. You were about 4 years late in the Wallace fiasco. All the words in the world cannot defend that now.
If you are asking me a hypothetical about Dimma not being the answer and who would be then I would say Alistair Clarkson. :shh
Dimma has lost me because he has favorites that he continually plays. And also the lack of playing young guys when they have earned it.
Dimma doesn't coach like he played, he was tough and uncompromising, but as a coach he is soft and predictable.
The last eight wins haven't changed anything in my mind, all it's done is show just how bad he coached earlier in the year. The fact the players had to come out and say "you are to soft on us" is the most pathetic thing I have heard from an AFL club. And that short backwards and sideways kicking game plan he was running with earlier this year was just as bad. The fact Jack had to come out and say it was no good is even more laughable/sad.
His coaching panel is just horrible, and his attempt to change star players into something they are not just shows me he is out of his depth.
Ie Jack, has just about taken all the good things that made him special out of his game. Doesn't lead anymore, doesn't leap at the footy like he used to and refuses to try and isolate him close to goal.
Dusty, taking our most dynamic player and trying to turn him into a dime a dozen back flanker. Blind Freddy can see you just have to let this kid free to take the game on. He will win you more games than he will save you playing at half back.
Anyway just a few things Dimma needs to work on IMO or he will be showed the door just like you mate TW was. :cheers
One thing about Hardwick is that he has learnt from his mistakes. Some people never do.
You haven't answered Stripes question though - who else is the answer?
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Mad Micky Malthouse
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I dare say you wouldn't mind Terry Wallace back the way you backed him to the very end. Good to see you are doing it again with Dimma. I hope you are right this time around.
I like your loyalty Stripes. :thumbsup
:fishing Dropping a line in bigtone :P
Wallace lost me in the end when he began coaching for his career and advertising his services for a new job. Wallace was actually a good match day coach, probably better than Dimma in this regard, but he never developed the players. Considering the state of our list and the amount of youth we brought in, this was a crucial mistake. Wallace did very well motivating and deconstructing opposition game plans with the established list at the Dogs. He couldn't do that Richmond and failed to try and adopt other strategies with the squad. Poor old Tucky didn't know what he was doing half the time.
Unlike a few on her bigtone, I remained loyal until the last year rather than calling for his head when the process/rebuild wasn't even half finished. Anyone can death-ride a coach and be proven right because in the end they are all going to be sacked eventually.
I'd rather support the club, the players and coach for the most part and focus on improvements/repairs rather than continually having to start again. I'm sick of rebuilds.
People are great at saying pointing out the problem without coming up with the solution. So if Hardwick is not he answer who is bigtone?
Not fishing at all Stripes, just saying it how I remember it. :whistle
Mate it's easy to have blind faith and think all things are roses in life, it's much harder to identify the problem before all is lost. Wallace set us back 5 years. You were about 4 years late in the Wallace fiasco. All the words in the world cannot defend that now.
If you are asking me a hypothetical about Dimma not being the answer and who would be then I would say Alistair Clarkson. :shh
Dimma has lost me because he has favorites that he continually plays. And also the lack of playing young guys when they have earned it.
Dimma doesn't coach like he played, he was tough and uncompromising, but as a coach he is soft and predictable.
The last eight wins haven't changed anything in my mind, all it's done is show just how bad he coached earlier in the year. The fact the players had to come out and say "you are to soft on us" is the most pathetic thing I have heard from an AFL club. And that short backwards and sideways kicking game plan he was running with earlier this year was just as bad. The fact Jack had to come out and say it was no good is even more laughable/sad.
His coaching panel is just horrible, and his attempt to change star players into something they are not just shows me he is out of his depth.
Ie Jack, has just about taken all the good things that made him special out of his game. Doesn't lead anymore, doesn't leap at the footy like he used to and refuses to try and isolate him close to goal.
Dusty, taking our most dynamic player and trying to turn him into a dime a dozen back flanker. Blind Freddy can see you just have to let this kid free to take the game on. He will win you more games than he will save you playing at half back.
Anyway just a few things Dimma needs to work on IMO or he will be showed the door just like you mate TW was. :cheers
One thing about Hardwick is that he has learnt from his mistakes. Some people never do.
You haven't answered Stripes question though - who else is the answer?
I hope so mate, but I don't think he has.
And I did answer Stripes question.
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Ratten
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Ratten
perfect coach for us!
We could immediately star a Sack Ratten thread!!!
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Bomber Thompson.
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5 year extension
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Needs one more win for me to see his year as a pass.
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Still happy for him to go
Harvey was a top bloke. Still got the ass
Must be bold
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Give it a rest guys - haters have got to hate :facepalm
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Needs one more win for me to see his year as a pass.
Do you really think they will sack a coach that has taken the team to their first back to back finals series since 1975? :gobdrop
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Old stiffy is on the rise.
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club needs to sack him and then reinstate him the next day.
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Needs one more win for me to see his year as a pass.
Do you really think they will sack a coach that has taken the team to their first back to back finals series since 1975? :gobdrop
No, but you don't get sacked for a failed season either.
In my eyes if we win next week then the season is a pass and we move into next year looking for a logical progression which would be being in the mix for top four but if we finished 5th or 6th Port style it would still be acceptable.
If we don't win a final then the season is a failure and next year starts in the shadow of that, with extra pressure and scrutiny on the coach. If the season didn't progress to expectations I'd expect him to be moved on.
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Needs one more win for me to see his year as a pass.
Do you really think they will sack a coach that has taken the team to their first back to back finals series since 1975? :gobdrop
No, but you don't get sacked for a failed season either.
In my eyes if we win next week then the season is a pass and we move into next year looking for a logical progression which would be being in the mix for top four but if we finished 5th or 6th Port style it would still be acceptable.
If we don't win a final then the season is a failure and next year starts in the shadow of that, with extra pressure and scrutiny on the coach. If the season didn't progress to expectations I'd expect him to be moved on.
I disagree. Why? Because everyone puts too much responsibility on one person for success or failure - the coach. It's been happening at Richmond since 1975 and it has got us nowhere. If we fail next week it is not Dimma's fault it is the group that has run out on the ground who must take responsibility. I'm sure Dimma hasn't instructed them to drop marks, fumble and kick to the opposition as the did in the first ten weeks.
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Needs one more win for me to see his year as a pass.
Do you really think they will sack a coach that has taken the team to their first back to back finals series since 1975? :gobdrop
No, but you don't get sacked for a failed season either.
In my eyes if we win next week then the season is a pass and we move into next year looking for a logical progression which would be being in the mix for top four but if we finished 5th or 6th Port style it would still be acceptable.
If we don't win a final then the season is a failure and next year starts in the shadow of that, with extra pressure and scrutiny on the coach. If the season didn't progress to expectations I'd expect him to be moved on.
I disagree. Why? Because everyone puts too much responsibility on one person for success or failure - the coach. It's been happening at Richmond since 1975 and it has got us nowhere. If we fail next week it is not Dimma's fault it is the group that has run out on the ground who must take responsibility. I'm sure Dimma hasn't instructed them to drop marks, fumble and kick to the opposition as the did in the first ten weeks.
I agree but the coaching group (who would all go if he was moved) have created the group who represents them.
If they aren't responsible then who is?
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I think Dimma is becomming a better match day coach. Seems to be starting to respond to opposition changes. Just need a couple more players now with better decision making on the fly.
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I think Dimma is becomming a better match day coach.
He got belted last night.
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They acknowledged the Sydney changes, not his fault the players kept bombing it to Sydney's spare man.
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If the coach isn't responsible for how the players play why do we even have one?
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If the coach isn't responsible for how the players play why do we even have one?
Of course they are responsible for planning during the week and motivation. They also have to respond to moves on game day. Ultimately, however, it is the playing group that must make instantaneous decisions on the field and having a playing group that can structure itself and restructure itself is what really makes the top teams good.
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TBR with some quality fishing. :clapping
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The club has gone from being a joke 10 weeks ago to making one of the most amazing runs to the finals in AFL history.The cub has glaring weakenesses ,which most here see,but for the love of mike give credit where credit is due..this run of wins has for the first time in decades made me so proud to be a Richmond supporter
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Congratulate dimma and rfc
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The club has gone from being a joke 10 weeks ago to making one of the most amazing runs to the finals in AFL history.The cub has glaring weakenesses ,which most here see,but for the love of mike give credit where credit is due..this run of wins has for the first time in decades made me so proud to be a Richmond supporter
:clapping
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i think a worth while question to be asked is, can he take us to the next level? that im not sure about.
one thing i place in his favor for me anyway is you have to have the cattle to go to the next level and i dont think we have it yet.
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i think a worth while question to be asked is, can he take us to the next level? that im not sure about.
one thing i place in his favor for me anyway is you have to have the cattle to go to the next level and i dont think we have it yet.
Draft time will be very interesting this year, let's hope they have learnt their lesson
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i think a worth while question to be asked is, can he take us to the next level? that im not sure about.
one thing i place in his favor for me anyway is you have to have the cattle to go to the next level and i dont think we have it yet.
Draft time will be very interesting this year, let's hope they have learnt their lesson
Get ready for the mother of topping up
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locked and loaded?
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Ha!
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Terry Wallace deserves the real credit...laid the foundation....
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I am one of the earlier people to rip right into dimma after the 10th round.... Not to say that I am still not convinced with him.
But I have to give the guy credit, he came out and tried a new game plan for the first 10 rounds. He then went back to the football we played last year which was fast paced attacking football and has some how got us in the eight.
I do have to give credit when credit is due and say well done to the team and dimma.
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Terry Wallace deserves the real credit...laid the foundation....
was thinking the same thing...
initiated not trading first round draft picks. with the expectation of mcmahon [2nd round i think, but still]
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At least his papers won't be stamped this week. :thumbsup
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Hardwick is only the sixth Richmond coach to take us to back-to-back finals.
The querky stat is all the other five were premiership coaches for us.
Dan Minogue 1920-21 (premierships both years)
Checker Hughes 1927-32 (premiership 1932)
Percy Bentley 1934-35 & 1939-40 (premiership 1934)
Jack Dyer 1941-44 (premiership 1943)
Tom Hafey 1971-75 (premierships 1967,69,73-74)
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-09-03/hardwick-in-esteemed-tiger-company
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For a big club, it is incredibly poor we've had so few back to back finals campaigns, last time being 1975? wow
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Hardwick is only the sixth Richmond coach to take us to back-to-back finals.
The querky stat is all the other five were premiership coaches for us.
Dan Minogue 1920-21 (premierships both years)
Checker Hughes 1927-32 (premiership 1932)
Percy Bentley 1934-35 & 1939-40 (premiership 1934)
Jack Dyer 1941-44 (premiership 1943)
Tom Hafey 1971-75 (premierships 1967,69,73-74)
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-09-03/hardwick-in-esteemed-tiger-company
Maybe to tempt fate our next coach should be Kylie Minogue :laugh:
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I could see us winning a premiership under Hardwick and this thread would still be pumping furiously along
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I could see us winning a premiership under Hardwick and this thread would still be pumping furiously along
Unless it's back to back then it is just papering over the cracks.
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I could see us winning a premiership under Hardwick and this thread would still be pumping furiously along
Unless it's back to back then it is just papering over the cracks.
Good call
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I could see us winning a premiership under Hardwick and this thread would still be pumping furiously along
that's right...
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A very naughty boy
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So the rising star was the Shaun hampson pick?
Nice on, dimma
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I could see us winning a premiership under Hardwick and this thread would still be pumping furiously along
Unless it's back to back then it is just papering over the cracks.
:clapping :lol
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So the rising star was the Shaun hampson pick?
Nice on, dimma
We traded pick 28, which became pick 32 in the draft after FA compo. So, yeah nah.
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So the rising star was the Shaun hampson pick?
Nice on, dimma
We traded pick 28, which became pick 32 in the draft after FA compo. So, yeah nah.
Well I would still take any pick from about 32 to 132 instead of hampson
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So the rising star was the Shaun hampson pick?
Nice on, dimma
We traded pick 28, which became pick 32 in the draft after FA compo. So, yeah nah.
Dunno if I'm sold on that
If seems factual correct. But doesnt really fit my world view.
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Since 1973 - 1974 being the last time we played consecutive finals these are the coaches that Dimma has, IMHO, moved past:
Hafey 75-76, Richardson 76-78, Jewell 79-82, 85-87, Bourke 82-83, Patterson 84, Sproule 85, Bartlett 88-91, Jeans 92, Northey 93-95, Walls 96-97, Gieschen 97-99, Frawley 00-04, Wallace 05-09, Rawlings 09.
Dimmas winning percentage is only at about 45.9 - 51 wins from 111 matches 58 losses and 2 draws.
But none of that lot from 1974 managed finals two years running. Not even with premiership winning teams 74 and 80.
If we win this weekend, our ladder position (at the end of the year) will have improved every year under his tenure.
Up until this year I was not a huge fan of his match day coaching, I had no issue with any other aspect of his coaching, but I felt he backed our guys too much and was too slow to make moves. Too reactionary and not proactive.
This year his coaching has improved. Either that or the players are understanding the message better and implementing it better - see Dimmas dissection this week as to the kick outs to the right wing in the last quarter...
If people are not happy with finals 2 years in a row...go eat a lemon...
Next opportunity is to win a final....Go Tiges!!
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Hafey 75-76
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to be clear, we made it in 75 - but didnt in 76
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if it was a final 8 like it is now we would have played finals 65 right thru to 1982. and in 84 and 85.
what i dont get is all the glee for finishing 8th. its really no great achievement.
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Yep Claw is right.
Rewind to February and say we just scrape into 8th.
Most people would have said that was a disappointing result.
Hardwick needs a strong performance this week and next and then a push for the top four next year or this thread will rightfully be the primary traffic area on this site.
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if it was a final 8 like it is now we would have played finals 65 right thru to 1982. and in 84 and 85.
what i dont get is all the glee for finishing 8th. its really no great achievement.
It was a huge turnaround claw. After 13 games we were below a team that is now asking for a priority pick and we are playing finals. Sure we were putrid in those first 13 games but the measure of a team is how they deal with adversity. We could have easily given up then. Let's cheer them on this week.
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Yep Claw is right.
Rewind to February and say we just scrape into 8th.
Most people would have said that was a disappointing result.
Hardwick needs a strong performance this week and next and then a push for the top four next year or this thread will rightfully be the primary traffic area on this site.
cause it is :whistle
most norf fans are not happy not being top 4
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if it was a final 8 like it is now we would have played finals 65 right thru to 1982. and in 84 and 85.
what i dont get is all the glee for finishing 8th. its really no great achievement.
fmd mr sunshine personified
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what i dont get is all the glee for finishing 8th. its really no great achievement.
Comeon mate, youre better than that - if you cant get excited about winning 9 in a row and being the first side to play finals after being 3-10 you may as well chuck it in. Enjoy the journey - don't just look for the destination
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if it was a final 8 like it is now we would have played finals 65 right thru to 1982. and in 84 and 85.
what i dont get is all the glee for finishing 8th. its really no great achievement.
Actually it is. Sure, it is not the holy grail of a premiership, but you have to be consistently in the finals to give yourself a chance to win it.
Look at the perennial favourites: Swans, Geelong, Hawthorn - and to lesser extent Freo and Collingwood (off the top of my head they made finals 8 out of 12 years under mickey and previous 2 years under bucks).
Of the top 8 last year to the top 8 this year of the home and away series - only pies out for north - and north were the best team outside the 8 last year (I am not counting the essendon/carlton fiasco).
It means that the tigers have stayed in the top half (8/18) of the competition. We have not lost ground. In fact, the footy they are playing now is stronger than last years 15 win season. They players have matured. The close wins over Adelaide and Sydney when we gave up leads and got headed but came back to win is definately a sign of maturity.
Geelong played a few years in the finals before winning in 07 - funnily enough they went 15-7 in 04 and 12-10 in 05 - missed out in 06 before winning it the following year. Maybe it is an omen for us.
For a team that hadn't played finals since 2001 - getting into the finals last year was obviously drought breaking, backing it up again is cementing the fact that our team is better than average and plays a good competitive brand. To put it into perspective since our last sustained success back in the mid 70s - since in75 we have only played in 80, 82, 95, 01, 13 ie in 38 years only 5 finals series - and now back to back.
I suggest you smile and be happy - support your team to a win this Sunday and appreciate their efforts. Is the job finished - hell no. Are we on the right path - hell yes.
And to use your scenario but take it back a year - if someone had said to you in February 13 that we would playin the in 2013 and 2014 finals series would you take that - dont tell me you would have said - No thanks- I prefer to have another 12 years of mediocrity.
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The sad fact is is that some people will never be happy. There are people around here who have already made up their minds on Dimma and no matter what he does at the first opportunity they will be calling for his head. It really is a sad state of affair when you always turn on your own.
There are still plenty of 'old school' supporters floating around this forum and this thread in particular who fit into the 'Eat your own'/Sack the Coach/dump chicken poo on Punt Rd/turn on the club mould. They hide behind the old ethos - 'we demand success at Richmond' and can never see the bigger picture. Thank God that the club ignores such supporters now and have changed their strategy to become more patient and thorough with their recruitment, development and game plan.
I'm never going to be able to convince these guys that we are on the right track and to enjoy the success while we've got it. Right throughout the last 5-6 weeks I've tried but people are blinded by our poor history now so much that they won't allow themselves to see (or believe in) the positive differences.
I agree with Tigger on his assessment of Dimma. I was like him too up until this season. I thought he was a good developer of talent but I was not sold on his game day coaching. This year he has proven that his game plan and tactics during games have greatly improved.
We're in the finals and have a chance to go further - for luck sake enjoy it!!!
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Stripes - Every single supporter is stoked with what's happened, the cynical ones have backed off dimma and due to past indiscretions will likely wait to see how this offseason and next year pans out before restoring the faith completely. Let it go and enjoy :cheers
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Stripes - Every single supporter is stoked with what's happened, the cynical ones have backed off dimma and due to past indiscretions will likely wait to see how this offseason and next year pans out before restoring the faith completely. Let it go and enjoy :cheers
Then why is this thread still getting so much traction? Its turned into the gripe thread but tony - I hope you're right, I really do! :thumbsup
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Then why is this thread still getting so much traction?
Bc you keep bumping it with 'sack the coach!' :lol
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Then why is this thread still getting so much traction?
Bc you keep bumping it with 'sack the coach!' :lol
Probably right today at least :P ;D
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if it was a final 8 like it is now we would have played finals 65 right thru to 1982. and in 84 and 85.
what i dont get is all the glee for finishing 8th. its really no great achievement.
It was a huge turnaround claw. After 13 games we were below a team that is now asking for a priority pick and we are playing finals. Sure we were putrid in those first 13 games but the measure of a team is how they deal with adversity. We could have easily given up then. Let's cheer them on this week.
1/ i have never ever liked the idea of a final 8 as it rewards mediocrity hence the post i did.
2/ i do cheer em on, on game day. outside of that i never lose sight of what i think needs to happen.
3/ we were putrid in games after rnd 13 as well.
4/ this thread does not apply to me. no where have i called for harwick to be sacked and in the main have hardly criticised him. in saying that im no closer to knowing if he can take the club to the next level or not. i for one dont think he has the cattle and have regularly said it. i certainly think he over rates far too many of our players and where he thinks they can take us.
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How do you know he has over rated players?
If, as you say, he doesn't have much to work with - then perhaps he's just trying to get the best from what he has at his disposal.
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Claw still hasn't salvaged his reputation after talking up tom lee :lol :ROTFL
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if it was a final 8 like it is now we would have played finals 65 right thru to 1982. and in 84 and 85.
what i dont get is all the glee for finishing 8th. its really no great achievement.
It was a huge turnaround claw. After 13 games we were below a team that is now asking for a priority pick and we are playing finals. Sure we were putrid in those first 13 games but the measure of a team is how they deal with adversity. We could have easily given up then. Let's cheer them on this week.
1/ i have never ever liked the idea of a final 8 as it rewards mediocrity hence the post i did.
2/ i do cheer em on, on game day. outside of that i never lose sight of what i think needs to happen.
3/ we were putrid in games after rnd 13 as well.
4/ this thread does not apply to me. no where have i called for harwick to be sacked and in the main have hardly criticised him. in saying that im no closer to knowing if he can take the club to the next level or not. i for one dont think he has the cattle and have regularly said it. i certainly think he over rates far too many of our players and where he thinks they can take us.
I thought you were giving up on the club and this site? Check the signature below.
You can't have it both ways even if you try to soften your stance.
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How do you know he has over rated players?
If, as you say, he doesn't have much to work with - then perhaps he's just trying to get the best from what he has at his disposal.
This.
To get the best out of the players he has, he must give them lots of positive reinforcement. This may look like over rating players to you but it probably is just being a good coach and creating a positive environment.
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How do you know he has over rated players?
if you cant work that very simple thing out whats the point in even talking.
if it was a final 8 like it is now we would have played finals 65 right thru to 1982. and in 84 and 85.
what i dont get is all the glee for finishing 8th. its really no great achievement.
It was a huge turnaround claw. After 13 games we were below a team that is now asking for a priority pick and we are playing finals. Sure we were putrid in those first 13 games but the measure of a team is how they deal with adversity. We could have easily given up then. Let's cheer them on this week.
1/ i have never ever liked the idea of a final 8 as it rewards mediocrity hence the post i did.
2/ i do cheer em on, on game day. outside of that i never lose sight of what i think needs to happen.
3/ we were putrid in games after rnd 13 as well.
4/ this thread does not apply to me. no where have i called for harwick to be sacked and in the main have hardly criticised him. in saying that im no closer to knowing if he can take the club to the next level or not. i for one dont think he has the cattle and have regularly said it. i certainly think he over rates far too many of our players and where he thinks they can take us.
I thought you were giving up on the club and this site? Check the signature below.
You can't have it both ways even if you try to soften your stance.
dont fret little man it aint the end of the season just yet.i wont be taking an interest in em, that is watching them religiously travelling 4 or 5 times a yr to watch em or poring over what they do right and wrong in my spare time.
as i said in the other thread a lot of it is not just the tiges but the state of the game itself.its become very hard to watch and has nothing in common with the game i was bought up with
i also wont be supporting them that is taking out membership and making donations.
as for this forum if i aint watching em i can hardly come on here and make comment about em, as such i doubt very much i will be posting on here very much or at all. i may on the odd occasion do a post but in all honesty i dont see the point in butting my head against a wall continually with many on here. it has become tiresome.
i dare say i will take in the odd game next yr but other things will take priority.
so show some patience son one more game most likely and you can have free reign to smell the roses. ;)
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My mail is the club has given a certain poster a job and the said poster won't be able to criticize the club anymore. :shh
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:pray
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Maybe kick with the wind dimma u donkey
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What's the cancer specialist mark Thompson doing next year
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dimma has had no idea today. twice to the elimination final and twice belted in the coaches box. :help
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Hinkley gun
Malthouse knows his stuff
Dimma...
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Maybe kick with the wind dimma u donkey
u reckon it was Dimmer's instruction?
lmao if it was
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Port still won the second quarter 40-12, decision has nothing to do with the result.
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Maybe kick with the wind dimma u donkey
u reckon it was Dimmer's instruction?
lmao if it was
I have no idea
But why does the captian get 100% of the say?
If it wasross Lyon. Or Hinkley. Or malthouse
I would bet my left nit they would have and opinion on this issue
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Let's assess the season as a whole.
Just scrapped into the finals on the back of a worse season than last year.
Not able to improve finals performance.
A club demanding success would be ruthless and go after Mark Thompson.
We won't because Brendan Gale shaves with a wet face washer and our President is a joke.
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Let's assess the season as a whole.
Just scrapped into the finals on the back of a worse season than last year.
Not able to improve finals performance.
A club demanding success would be ruthless and go after Mark Thompson.
We won't because Brendan Gale shaves with a wet face washer and our President is a joke.
But but but ..that's what the old Richmond would do! We've finally got "stability" at the club for the first time in 30 years don't ya know!
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Seven man forward line...
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I'm sure there's lots of this in the box.
:huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3
:huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3
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:huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3 :huh3
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I blame Dimma for last year's final but today it's more a reflection on the players. Dimma still at fault. All year we've struggled with teams who have momentum.
Dimma could coach Geelong and Port would never do this to the cats. Yet give us Ross Lyon and I could see a similar result with our crop.
Need some big changes
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Can't agree, we have been smashed in the box today, no answer to the set-up early.
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Going backwards.
Sack Hardwick!
Can someone explain tactically
Why we are playing 5 defenders
3 of those Chaplin Morris houli
Instead of 6 or 7 or 8
WWJD
WHAT would Ross Lyon do?
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Hinkley losing the plot at us getting forward 50 entries.
That's a coach that ain't satisfied with just winning.
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Reckon the loss has more to do with the players. Port just absolutely running over the top of us, players don't have the ticker whether thats physiologically or psychological
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Hinkley losing the plot at us getting forward 50 entries.
That's a coach that ain't satisfied with just winning.
Yep. Standards.
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Disgrace!
Can't tackle, can't run, horrible forward line structure!
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Look, we beat Sydney and we won the last quarter.
We aren't that far away...........
Arse-crack, arse-crack, arse-crack
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Look, we beat Sydney and we won the last quarter.
We aren't that far away...........
Arse-crack, arse-crack, arse-crack
Sydney was taking the pee. If they wanted too they would have won by playing a normal team or showing up from the start
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Get Mick Malthouse
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Out coached yet again.
You see the footage of him in the box looking clueless. And not even one bit angry either...
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Get Mick Malthouse
James Frawley - Captain Coach.
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Disgrace!
Can't tackle, can't run, horrible forward line structure!
Worst fwd line structures.
Dimmer is limited in the art of adaptability
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Get Brett Ratten
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I think Voss said it three time in a row on Fox after the game. He said that Richmond players just don't work or run hard enough when they don't have the ball.
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I think Voss said it three time in a row on Fox after the game. He said that Richmond players just don't work or run hard enough when they don't have the ball.
BINGO!
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That was blindingly obvious. It's having a coach/captain that sets the standards of how they run that matters.
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must win a final next season to save his job you would think
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I think Voss said it three time in a row on Fox after the game. He said that Richmond players just don't work or run hard enough when they don't have the ball.
We need Voss, get it done Tiges
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Voss pls
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For me i think the players lost it. They were always a couple of steps behind. In the few times we did have the ball there was no spread and it put the ball carrier under a lot of pressure. 2 way running was non existent as well.
I don't know if it's because the players got complacent or if they're just burnt out from the late season charge but they looked like they were running on the spot all day.
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The Port players backed each other to win the 50/50 contests and sprinted forward to receive the ball. If we had of won the 50/50 contests early we would have scored quickly ourselves and made them more accountable. The game was literally lost in the first 5 minutes of the game when we couldn't absorb the pressure and win the ball.
The only bad decision I felt we made strategically at a coaches level was allowing Port to have the extra man in defense. This created the sling shot football which we were always going to lose when they were confident and ahead on the score board. Cotchins decision to kick against the wind really was a bad one in retrospect.
Ultimately Port were just far to good - their pressure and run killed us :help
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It astounds me that there extra man if defence was able to have an impact but ours was non existent. Even when we did somewhat slow them down and hold up their "slingshot" play they were still able to find an open man inside F50
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Last time we played, we just manned the loose up and beat them easy.
Wouldn't have mattered because we were arse yesterday but still would have been nice to have tried it anyway.
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Port were stuffn awesome!
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Last time we played, we just manned the loose up and beat them easy.
Wouldn't have mattered because we were arse yesterday but still would have been nice to have tried it anyway.
yep
I mentioned in another thread - that our best wouldn't have been good enough anyway, Port were incredible, but yeah would've been nice to try it
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I just find it unreal that their whole team can sprint around for the whole 2 hours like that what the stuff are they taking? We all looked like we were running on the spot compared to them. they looked they were on coke
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If we miss finals next year, sack him.
If we make finals and lose again, sack him. You'd think that if we made and won a final he'd be safe, which if there is a better coach available I disagree with.
I'll be disappointed if we don't make the top 4 and win a final. Need to raise the bar
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I just find it unreal that their whole team can sprint around for the whole 2 hours like that what the stuff are they taking? We all looked like we were running on the spot compared to them. they looked they were on coke
They're just a fit side. Excellent fitness coach.
Also did you notice small things like Richmond's QTR time huddle being held in the shade whilst Port stood in the sun? Clearly they're just a lot fitter than us.
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dunno man that was a huge diff from when we played them last time, either we were burnt out or they speed ballin lol
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Don't discount that they were in a heavy training load to prepare for the finals at that stage, while we were not as we wanted to maximise the opportunity for preseason training.
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Stressed coaches reveal toll
Samantha Lane
The Age
September 25, 2014
Richmond's Damien Hardwick, who has just finished his fifth year in a top coaching post after being a dual premiership player, speaks openly about how his behaviour has changed off-field due to his job.
"I think I've become more private. I probably don't venture out as much. I'm not sure why. I don't like people staring at me, if that makes sense. "My worst fear is going to shopping centres. I can't stand it, so I very rarely go," Hardwick says with a chuckle.
"I go to a small movie cinema in Brighton where I don't have to run into any people. My wife thinks I am a genuine hermit."
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/stressed-coaches-reveal-toll-20140924-10ljp1.html
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Stressed coaches reveal toll
Samantha Lane
The Age
September 25, 2014
Richmond's Damien Hardwick, who has just finished his fifth year in a top coaching post after being a dual premiership player, speaks openly about how his behaviour has changed off-field due to his job.
"I think I've become more private. I probably don't venture out as much. I'm not sure why. I don't like people staring at me, if that makes sense. "My worst fear is going to shopping centres. I can't stand it, so I very rarely go," Hardwick says with a chuckle.
"I go to a small movie cinema in Brighton where I don't have to run into any people. My wife thinks I am a genuine hermit."
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/stressed-coaches-reveal-toll-20140924-10ljp1.html
Worst job in the world.....
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I don't like the comments that Damien has made. Is the pressure too much for him? Im not saying that he should be running parties or anything but developing a dislike or fearing meeting people is a concern IMHO.
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I'm going to start stalking him @ church St Brighton, with my grigg thesis on hand
Is there a movie. Place on bay st!? Don't think so
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Settle guys it is only temporary til the Hampson thing blows over
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Stressed coaches reveal toll
Samantha Lane
The Age
September 25, 2014
Richmond's Damien Hardwick, who has just finished his fifth year in a top coaching post after being a dual premiership player, speaks openly about how his behaviour has changed off-field due to his job.
"I think I've become more private. I probably don't venture out as much. I'm not sure why. I don't like people staring at me, if that makes sense. "My worst fear is going to shopping centres. I can't stand it, so I very rarely go," Hardwick says with a chuckle.
"I go to a small movie cinema in Brighton where I don't have to run into any people. My wife thinks I am a genuine hermit."
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/stressed-coaches-reveal-toll-20140924-10ljp1.html
Worst job in the world.....
Being in a band is.
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Stressed coaches reveal toll
Samantha Lane
The Age
September 25, 2014
Richmond's Damien Hardwick, who has just finished his fifth year in a top coaching post after being a dual premiership player, speaks openly about how his behaviour has changed off-field due to his job.
"I think I've become more private. I probably don't venture out as much. I'm not sure why. I don't like people staring at me, if that makes sense. "My worst fear is going to shopping centres. I can't stand it, so I very rarely go," Hardwick says with a chuckle.
"I go to a small movie cinema in Brighton where I don't have to run into any people. My wife thinks I am a genuine hermit."
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/stressed-coaches-reveal-toll-20140924-10ljp1.html
Worst job in the world.....
Being in a band is.
Being on a Band Wagon is.
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I don't know why he would fear going out in public. Why his own supporters have his back all the way. Just look at this forum ::)
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I don't know why he would fear going out in public. Why his own supporters have his back all the way. Just look at this forum ::)
:lol
Yeah just 82 pages of sack the ****!!!
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I'm going to start stalking him @ church St Brighton, with my grigg thesis on hand
Is there a movie. Place on bay st!? Don't think so
http://www.palacecinemas.com.au/cinemas/bay/
:thumbsup
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The fruit loops on here would definitely stalk the poor guy.
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not exactly leadership, is it......
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not exactly leadership, is it......
A guide to lowering expectations and saving arses at Richmond for 2015.
Step 1 - get a friendly journo to write about the coaches job stress.
Step 2 - opt out of drafting ready made talent because the personnel don't have the skills to lure a big fish.
Step 3 - draft safely but unwisely. Another 'mid sized battler' with first pick. Top up with other positional players with remaining late picks who will inevitably be fringe players at best
Step 4 - reverse-manage injuries which were incompetently delayed from surgery late in the year.
Step 5 - note difficult draw in media.
Step 6 - get hammered In the preseason comp again.
Step 7- go through the motions early to mid season with PR spin about being thereabouts.
Step 8 - just make finals or just miss out, citing unfounded reasons for not improving.
Step 9 - renew contracts.
Step 10 - repeat repeat repeat.
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Facts are that we are still trying to play finals consistently whilst hawthorn are playing regular grand finals.
In 2001 both teams played in a prelim final.
There's still a lot of work to do at Tigerland.
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Facts are that we are still trying to play finals consistently whilst hawthorn are playing regular grand finals.
In 2001 both teams played in a prelim final.
There's still a lot of work to do at Tigerland.
I thought Poort were the yardstick, have we swapped to the Dawks
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Facts are that we are still trying to play finals consistently whilst hawthorn are playing regular grand finals.
In 2001 both teams played in a prelim final.
There's still a lot of work to do at Tigerland.
I thought Poort were the yardstick, have we swapped to the Dawks
Back to back. Yes.
They can make any hack look like a decent player. ie Spangher.
Whilst we continue to "struggle" just to make finals still.
Plop plop plop.
When will we ever learn?
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Facts are that we are still trying to play finals consistently whilst hawthorn are playing regular grand finals.
In 2001 both teams played in a prelim final.
There's still a lot of work to do at Tigerland.
I thought Poort were the yardstick, have we swapped to the Dawks
Why don't you have an opinion?
Why don't you get peeed off that we aren't playing grand finals whilst this sissyter team consistently does?
Why don't you get angry at our mediocrity and speak your mind?
When will you have an opinion?
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Thanks for clearing that up, I just get confused sometimes as one day it's the Dees, then the Dogs, then Poort and now the Dawks
However we now have clarity and the Dawks it is
We could have had Roughhead
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Facts are that we are still trying to play finals consistently whilst hawthorn are playing regular grand finals.
In 2001 both teams played in a prelim final.
There's still a lot of work to do at Tigerland.
I thought Poort were the yardstick, have we swapped to the Dawks
Why don't you have an opinion?
Why don't you get peeed off that we aren't playing grand finals whilst this sissyter team consistently does?
Why don't you get angry at our mediocrity and speak your mind?
When will you have an opinion?
Well you see that's the thing, there are so many fine astute opinions around here already I dont have to worry about finding one
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I don't think we will win another flag in our lifetimes. Our administration are amateurs when compared to the likes of Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and a few other clubs. Its sad but our club has lost its way and we are in the wilderness. We are so far from winning a flag its not funny.
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I don't think we will win another flag in our lifetimes. Our administration are amateurs when compared to the likes of Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and a few other clubs. Its sad but our club has lost its way and we are in the wilderness. We are so far from winning a flag its not funny.
Geez just shut the joint down.
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Facts are that we are still trying to play finals consistently whilst hawthorn are playing regular grand finals.
In 2001 both teams played in a prelim final.
There's still a lot of work to do at Tigerland.
I thought Poort were the yardstick, have we swapped to the Dawks
Why don't you have an opinion?
Why don't you get peeed off that we aren't playing grand finals whilst this sissyter team consistently does?
Why don't you get angry at our mediocrity and speak your mind?
When will you have an opinion?
Well you see that's the thing, there are so many fine astute opinions around here already I dont have to worry about finding one
I just read your title above your avatar.
....my apologies Grigg of OER.
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I don't think we will win another flag in our lifetimes. Our administration are amateurs when compared to the likes of Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and a few other clubs. Its sad but our club has lost its way and we are in the wilderness. We are so far from winning a flag its not funny.
Geez just shut the joint down.
actually recognising and admitting whats wrong is the first step to fixing the problem.
the threads about hardwick and i think we lose perspective.
hes had 5 yrs and in those 5 yrs we have improved in most areas in particular off field. look at his whole time to find improvement. then look at his recent time to see if hes taken us as far as he can.
personally i dont know the answer to that.my gut feel is i think hes gone as far as he can and we need to change.
i do tend to cut him some slack because ive never ever thought we have a list that is anything more than a middling list. 7th thru 12 14. my concern however is i think he thinks he has a list to go places.
to me we must improve most areas of the footy dept because quite frankly if we dont we will soon be cellar dwellars and all of the good work that has been done will be undone. yes we have had done a lot of good things but ffs we cant sit on our hands and think the workls been done . we are miles away still.
i pray we can identify some good processes go thru them and grow the list and thus the club. acknowledging exactly where one is at is crucial to improving.
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I don't think we will win another flag in our lifetimes. Our administration are amateurs when compared to the likes of Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and a few other clubs. Its sad but our club has lost its way and we are in the wilderness. We are so far from winning a flag its not funny.
Geez just shut the joint down.
actually recognising and admitting whats wrong is the first step to fixing the problem.
the threads about hardwick and i think we lose perspective.
hes had 5 yrs and in those 5 yrs we have improved in most areas in particular off field. look at his whole time to find improvement. then look at his recent time to see if hes taken us as far as he can.
personally i dont know the answer to that.my gut feel is i think hes gone as far as he can and we need to change.
i do tend to cut him some slack because ive never ever thought we have a list that is anything more than a middling list. 7th thru 12 14. my concern however is i think he thinks he has a list to go places.
to me we must improve most areas of the footy dept because quite frankly if we dont we will soon be cellar dwellars and all of the good work that has been done will be undone. yes we have had done a lot of good things but ffs we cant sit on our hands and think the workls been done . we are miles away still.
i pray we can identify some good processes go thru them and grow the list and thus the club. acknowledging exactly where one is at is crucial to improving.
Good post claw. Despite often not agreeing and finding your analysis on players too harsh for my liking at times, you at least attempt to come up with solutions rather than just rant. Credit where credit is due :thumbsup
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I don't think we will win another flag in our lifetimes. Our administration are amateurs when compared to the likes of Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and a few other clubs. Its sad but our club has lost its way and we are in the wilderness. We are so far from winning a flag its not funny.
Geez just shut the joint down.
actually recognising and admitting whats wrong is the first step to fixing the problem.
the threads about hardwick and i think we lose perspective.
hes had 5 yrs and in those 5 yrs we have improved in most areas in particular off field. look at his whole time to find improvement. then look at his recent time to see if hes taken us as far as he can.
personally i dont know the answer to that.my gut feel is i think hes gone as far as he can and we need to change.
i do tend to cut him some slack because ive never ever thought we have a list that is anything more than a middling list. 7th thru 12 14. my concern however is i think he thinks he has a list to go places.
to me we must improve most areas of the footy dept because quite frankly if we dont we will soon be cellar dwellars and all of the good work that has been done will be undone. yes we have had done a lot of good things but ffs we cant sit on our hands and think the workls been done . we are miles away still.
i pray we can identify some good processes go thru them and grow the list and thus the club. acknowledging exactly where one is at is crucial to improving.
From the position the club was in when he took over
it was hard to go any more backwards
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I don't think we will win another flag in our lifetimes. Our administration are amateurs when compared to the likes of Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and a few other clubs. Its sad but our club has lost its way and we are in the wilderness. We are so far from winning a flag its not funny.
Rampopolous is 100% correct.
It's not going to happen.
Shitmen.
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Very interesting that clubs like Adelaide, Gold Coast and perhaps the Bulldogs are moving or preparing to move on coaches early in their tenure because they don't see them getting the results they need in the future.
Fremantle, St Kilda, Carlton, Collingwood, Brisbane were prepared to do the same.
Meanwhile Richmond keep trotting out the line that we are stable and we don't sack coaches anymore like a badge of honour.
I'd prefer to be a demanding club than a club that worries more about appearances.
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Harvey was a good coach
Freo were bold to aim higher.
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Why arent we whispering sweet nothings in Bombers ear?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mark-thompson-contacted-by-third-party-about-interest-in-coaching-gold-coast-suns-in-2015/story-fni5f7ka-1227075696214 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mark-thompson-contacted-by-third-party-about-interest-in-coaching-gold-coast-suns-in-2015/story-fni5f7ka-1227075696214)
MARK Thompson has been contacted by a third party about his interest in coaching Gold Coast Suns next season.
Thompson, who was caretaker coach for James Hird at Essendon this year, was told three weeks ago the Suns “were coming’’.
Speculation is mounting that Suns coach Guy McKenna will be sacked at a board meeting on Thursday night.
Why cant we be the ones coming?
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Why arent we whispering sweet nothings in Bombers ear?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mark-thompson-contacted-by-third-party-about-interest-in-coaching-gold-coast-suns-in-2015/story-fni5f7ka-1227075696214 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mark-thompson-contacted-by-third-party-about-interest-in-coaching-gold-coast-suns-in-2015/story-fni5f7ka-1227075696214)
MARK Thompson has been contacted by a third party about his interest in coaching Gold Coast Suns next season.
Thompson, who was caretaker coach for James Hird at Essendon this year, was told three weeks ago the Suns “were coming’’.
Speculation is mounting that Suns coach Guy McKenna will be sacked at a board meeting on Thursday night.
Why cant we be the ones coming?
coz Thompson would never go to a club that only recruits D grade players. He isnt stuffing stupid like others.
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Christianson, beams, Frawley orokue ...
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Christianson, beams, Frawley orokue ...
they don't fit the Richmond criteria of either being injured or moneyball cheapies.
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Christianson, beams, Frawley orokue ...
they don't fit the Richmond criteria of either being injured or moneyball cheapies.
Christiansen said he wanted to go up north for personal reasons - we don't fit the criteria.
Beams required pick 5, pick 25 and a good youngster - we didn't have the currency.
Frawley was one we could have got but he wanted a flag next year - we won't win the flag next year.
O'Rourke has not shown anything yet to justify his number 2 pick - absolutely nothing. Would have had to give up pick 12, which, if we pick well, will give us just as good a player.
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Christianson, beams, Frawley orokue ...
they don't fit the Richmond criteria of either being injured or moneyball cheapies.
Christiansen said he wanted to go up north for personal reasons - we don't fit the criteria.
Beams required pick 5, pick 25 and a good youngster - we didn't have the currency.
Frawley was one we could have got but he wanted a flag next year - we won't win the flag next year.
O'Rourke has not shown anything yet to justify his number 2 pick - absolutely nothing. Would have had to give up pick 12, which, if we pick well, will give us just as good a player.
problem will be if we come to the end of trade week and have done zero and by zero I mean either a)bring in some players to improve the list or added some extra draft selections between 13 and 30. If we end up with our current draft position then its been a complete waste of time for the 2nd year in a row. There aint gonna be any winning flags with this type of mentality. We are middle of the road at best and our best players are all starting to enter there mid 20s. Time is running out IMHO to do something with this group of players.
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Boyd , shield
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Christianson, beams, Frawley orokue ...
they don't fit the Richmond criteria of either being injured or moneyball cheapies.
Christiansen said he wanted to go up north for personal reasons - we don't fit the criteria.
Beams required pick 5, pick 25 and a good youngster - we didn't have the currency.
Frawley was one we could have got but he wanted a flag next year - we won't win the flag next year.
O'Rourke has not shown anything yet to justify his number 2 pick - absolutely nothing. Would have had to give up pick 12, which, if we pick well, will give us just as good a player.
problem will be if we come to the end of trade week and have done zero and by zero I mean either a)bring in some players to improve the list or added some extra draft selections between 13 and 30. If we end up with our current draft position then its been a complete waste of time for the 2nd year in a row. There aint gonna be any winning flags with this type of mentality. We are middle of the road at best and our best players are all starting to enter there mid 20s. Time is running out IMHO to do something with this group of players.
I agree - 2 finals series in a row, the second just scrapping in means its time to re-evaluate. For me it shows, we've come a fair way but have probably hit the ceiling so need to do something courageous and drastic to take the next step and we've basically sat on our haunches and done very little.
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All we can hope for now is we absolutely nail the ND. :pray :pray :pray
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Another critical component of another season passes, and all we are left with again is hope.
Geez Geez we don't even have a prayer
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All we can hope for now is we absolutely nail the ND. :pray :pray :pray
I don't have any faith in our recruiters finding anything after pick 12
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All we can hope for now is we absolutely nail the ND. :pray :pray :pray
Could trade out for another couple picks
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Mitch clark
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draft it is boys :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
lets please hope we don't get a jon, danny Meyers, Richard lounder troy taylor, relton Roberts, aaron fiora im sure I have left a few off hahahah.. oh silly me Richard tambling :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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draft it is boys :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
lets please hope we don't get a jon, danny Meyers, Richard lounder troy taylor, relton Roberts, aaron fiora im sure I have left a few off hahahah.. oh silly me Richard tambling :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
We haven't failed in years with our first pick. The closest I would suggest is two solid players in Conca and Vickery who are still developing. Jack, Rance, Cotch, Dusty and Vlaustin are all successes. Lennon is too young to judge. I have faith in getting a good player with our first pick....our later picks, well that's another matter :shh
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draft it is boys :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
lets please hope we don't get a jon, danny Meyers, Richard lounder troy taylor, relton Roberts, aaron fiora im sure I have left a few off hahahah.. oh silly me Richard tambling :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
We haven't failed in years with our first pick. The closest I would suggest is two solid players in Conca and Vickery who are still developing. Jack, Rance, Cotch, Dusty and Vlaustin are all successes. Lennon is too young to judge. I have faith in getting a good player with our first pick....our later picks, well that's another matter :shh
stripes I still live in the past on what ifs like a lot off us tigers supporters do we could have been hawthorn :lol :lol lennon will need a couple more still light on and u have to remember he hasn't really done a full pre season as a senior player
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One last sook before I go to bed
Does anyone think DH would have the balls to drop two players for a grand final like his mate Clarkson did this year?
IMO not a chance.
For such a hard nut on the field, he is as soft as butter in the coaches box. His own team had to tell him that this year. It doesn't get any worse than that.
The hits just keep on coming...
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Putting things like gameplan, list management, selection & matchday tactics aside for the moment, for me the canary in the mineshaft will be if there's no real and sustained change in mindset from our players in relation to things like two-way running, chasing, tackling & shepherding or any noticeble improvement in fitness. If, going into their sixth season, these fundamental areas are still not improved upon then it will tell us they never will be under the current coaching regime and that regime needs to be removed a.s.a.p.
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Right now, you would have to say that our plan is to go into Round 1 2015 with the same best 22 from this year, given there is no guarantee draftees will be ready to play.
Given a progression deeper into the finals is a minimum standard for the year then I would feel very nervous if I was D Hardwick.
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Win a final or pack your bags Dimma.
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draft it is boys :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
lets please hope we don't get a jon, danny Meyers, Richard lounder troy taylor, relton Roberts, aaron fiora im sure I have left a few off hahahah.. oh silly me Richard tambling :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
We haven't failed in years with our first pick. The closest I would suggest is two solid players in Conca and Vickery who are still developing. Jack, Rance, Cotch, Dusty and Vlaustin are all successes. Lennon is too young to judge. I have faith in getting a good player with our first pick....our later picks, well that's another matter :shh
hmm jon, vickery, and conca are not successes for where they were taken and the time they have had. the clock is ticking . as for vlastuin well hes coming off second yr blues where he was terrible at times. for the life of me how anyone can claim him a success yet is beyond me.
ellis has issues and rance has had em.
coupoled with abysmal failure in the following rounds of the nd and i really am bemused at how jackson is immune from criticism. ffs hes had 10 yrs and he can only hang his hat on a handful of players.
yep lets go to the nd well and back fj in. its utter stupidity tantamoubt to putting oines head in the sand. ah only at richmond.
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draft it is boys :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
lets please hope we don't get a jon, danny Meyers, Richard lounder troy taylor, relton Roberts, aaron fiora im sure I have left a few off hahahah.. oh silly me Richard tambling :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
We haven't failed in years with our first pick. The closest I would suggest is two solid players in Conca and Vickery who are still developing. Jack, Rance, Cotch, Dusty and Vlaustin are all successes. Lennon is too young to judge. I have faith in getting a good player with our first pick....our later picks, well that's another matter :shh
hmm jon, vickery, and conca are not successes for where they were taken and the time they have had. the clock is ticking . as for vlastuin well hes coming off second yr blues where he was terrible at times. for the life of me how anyone can claim him a success yet is beyond me.
ellis has issues and rance has had em.
coupoled with abysmal failure in the following rounds of the nd and i really am bemused at how jackson is immune from criticism. ffs hes had 10 yrs and he can only hang his hat on a handful of players.
yep lets go to the nd well and back fj in. its utter stupidity tantamoubt to putting oines head in the sand. ah only at richmond.
Loving this one.
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We haven't failed in years with our first pick. The closest I would suggest is two solid players in Conca and Vickery who are still developing. Jack, Rance, Cotch, Dusty and Vlaustin are all successes. Lennon is too young to judge. I have faith in getting a good player with our first pick....our later picks, well that's another matter :shh
hmm jon, vickery, and conca are not successes for where they were taken and the time they have had. the clock is ticking . as for vlastuin well hes coming off second yr blues where he was terrible at times. for the life of me how anyone can claim him a success yet is beyond me.
ellis has issues and rance has had em.
coupoled with abysmal failure in the following rounds of the nd and i really am bemused at how jackson is immune from criticism. ffs hes had 10 yrs and he can only hang his hat on a handful of players.
yep lets go to the nd well and back fj in. its utter stupidity tantamoubt to putting oines head in the sand. ah only at richmond.
Vickery and Conca so far are solid so I wouldn't call them failures and JON is going a long way back now :lol. Reckon given what Vlaustin has shown in his first two years (yes he had some down moments but still had some up moments too) he is a success at least for now. Everything can change...
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Rance is a gun
Vlastuin is not terrible, he's very good
Nfi
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Right now, you would have to say that our plan is to go into Round 1 2015 with the same best 22 from this year, given there is no guarantee draftees will be ready to play.
Given a progression deeper into the finals is a minimum standard for the year then I would feel very nervous if I was D Hardwick.
Underrated post :clapping
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Rance is a gun
Vlastuin is not terrible, he's very good
Nfi
Vlastuin will be a star.
Right now, you would have to say that our plan is to go into Round 1 2015 with the same best 22 from this year, given there is no guarantee draftees will be ready to play.
Given a progression deeper into the finals is a minimum standard for the year then I would feel very nervous if I was D Hardwick.
Underrated post :clapping
As much as we joke (ha ha ha bang) about him picking the likes of Grigg & Newman next year no matter what, one still has to wonder if Hardwick himself is all that happy with this year's trade & draft strategy.
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draft it is boys :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
lets please hope we don't get a jon, danny Meyers, Richard lounder troy taylor, relton Roberts, aaron fiora im sure I have left a few off hahahah.. oh silly me Richard tambling :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
We haven't failed in years with our first pick. The closest I would suggest is two solid players in Conca and Vickery who are still developing. Jack, Rance, Cotch, Dusty and Vlaustin are all successes. Lennon is too young to judge. I have faith in getting a good player with our first pick....our later picks, well that's another matter :shh
hmm jon, vickery, and conca are not successes for where they were taken and the time they have had. the clock is ticking . as for vlastuin well hes coming off second yr blues where he was terrible at times. for the life of me how anyone can claim him a success yet is beyond me.
ellis has issues and rance has had em.
coupoled with abysmal failure in the following rounds of the nd and i really am bemused at how jackson is immune from criticism. ffs hes had 10 yrs and he can only hang his hat on a handful of players.
yep lets go to the nd well and back fj in. its utter stupidity tantamoubt to putting oines head in the sand. ah only at richmond.
Classic post, some good points but including JON and failing to acknowledge Rances development exposes your desperation to bag the club and frankly is a slight on your character. It's a shame because I reckon some of your principles on list management are pretty good. Instead, you have become the Andrew Bolt of this forum. :P
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We haven't failed in years with our first pick. The closest I would suggest is two solid players in Conca and Vickery who are still developing. Jack, Rance, Cotch, Dusty and Vlaustin are all successes. Lennon is too young to judge. I have faith in getting a good player with our first pick....our later picks, well that's another matter :shh
hmm jon, vickery, and conca are not successes for where they were taken and the time they have had. the clock is ticking . as for vlastuin well hes coming off second yr blues where he was terrible at times. for the life of me how anyone can claim him a success yet is beyond me.
ellis has issues and rance has had em.
coupoled with abysmal failure in the following rounds of the nd and i really am bemused at how jackson is immune from criticism. ffs hes had 10 yrs and he can only hang his hat on a handful of players.
yep lets go to the nd well and back fj in. its utter stupidity tantamoubt to putting oines head in the sand. ah only at richmond.
Vickery and Conca so far are solid so I wouldn't call them failures and JON is going a long way back now :lol. Reckon given what Vlaustin has shown in his first two years (yes he had some down moments but still had some up moments too) he is a success at least for now. Everything can change...
At pick 6 Conca is a fail. Could possibly it around but IMO he just has to many deficiencies. If he was pick 45ish he would be an ok pick up. He is a run with player at best I recon.
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Putting things like gameplan, list management, selection & matchday tactics aside for the moment, for me the canary in the mineshaft will be if there's no real and sustained change in mindset from our players in relation to things like two-way running, chasing, tackling & shepherding or any noticeble improvement in fitness. If, going into their sixth season, these fundamental areas are still not improved upon then it will tell us they never will be under the current coaching regime and that regime needs to be removed a.s.a.p.
Spot on. They're basics at the top 4 clubs except possibly Norf.
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Say we flunk next year and Hardwick gets the boot. Would you take Bomber Thompson on? IMHO I would even given his issues.
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Say we flunk next year and Hardwick gets the boot. Would you take Bomber Thompson on? IMHO I would even given his issues.
lets just say I know people who know him. I would stay clear. He is a loose canon. Rather Choco Williams.
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Woosha Worsfold or Voss.
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Woosha Worsfold or Voss.
Funny you mention Vossy. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes over next.
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Woosha Worsfold or Voss.
lol , great credentials , both finished leaving their clubs a train wreck :lol yeah lets get em ::)
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Turn it up Bojo, the Whoosh is a premiership coach with a strike rate over 53%.
Voss was always going to be a good coach, just needed an apprenticeship before he took the job on and he has that experience now.
Hardwick doesn't compare to either of them in terms of commanding respect.
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Say the rucm kid talked about as top 3, is still there at 12
If hardwick games the car - does hardwick get the kid that could be the best player on the draft pool? Probably not cause he won't develop for three years.
Or do we reach for the fat slow inside mid? That'll do something asap
His job is on the line, he knows it.
All policy will be with short term thinkingbin mind.
Political Damien
You could ask why nobody picked him with the 11 previous picks too Bents! Are they all trying to save their jobs?
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Yeah, you could.
Yeah, most of them are
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It was my understanding that after Terry was instrumental in the Jon and Mc muffin debacle that Richardson was brought in with a mandate to be aware of the coaches needs but not to compromise the list with our selections
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It was my understanding that after Terry was instrumental in the Jon and Mc muffin debacle that Richardson was brought in with a mandate to be aware of the coaches needs but not to compromise the list with our selections
Long time between JON/McMahon and Richardson.
Don't think there has been any limitation on "coach's picks" when you look at the picks from when Hardwick/Hartley started.
2010 - Grigg, Houli, Derrickx, Gourdis, Miller, Hislop, Jakobi.
2011 - I Maric, Morris, A Maric.
2012 - Knights, Chaplin, Edwards, Petterd, Lonergan, Stephenson.
2013 - Hampson, Gordon, Lloyd, Banfield, Miles, Thomas.
All older experienced players bought onto the list to fill holes the coach identified.
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Say the rucm kid talked about as top 3, is still there at 12
If hardwick games the car - does hardwick get the kid that could be the best player on the draft pool? Probably not cause he won't develop for three years.
Or do we reach for the fat slow inside mid? That'll do something asap
His job is on the line, he knows it.
All policy will be with short term thinkingbin mind.
Political Damien
You could ask why nobody picked him with the 11 previous picks too Bents! Are they all trying to save their jobs?
Grundy comes to mind
Everyone I think wanted him
But no one wanted to miss out on a mid for the good of next year and nt getting sacked
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Please edit thread title to "Sack Jackson". Thanks.
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Bomber / Voss ticket
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Why doesnt the RFC have a greater understanding of our clubs game plan and why isnt our gameplan refined? :banghead :banghead :banghead
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-enters-record-breaking-season-with-refined-game-plan/story-fni5f5nx-1227183736990
CARLTON will begin a record-breaking season for coach Michael Malthouse with a greater understanding of the club’s refined game plan.
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Bump
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Must get a 5 year extension. NOW.
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Good bump thread was way too long without action
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I want to change the thread name to Hard Sackwick, I think it sounds cooler
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I want to change the thread name to Hard Sackwick, I think it sounds cooler
Pretty sure Ive seen vids of that guy. Also goes by the name of Kingload Karl.....
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After we finish bottom 4, surely he won't be offered a new deal...
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After we finish bottom 4, surely he won't be offered a new deal...
Probably yes because we are better than last year.
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I pronounce you handle- " Tiggeri-Tis "
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Given all the interstate clubs are probably settled coach wise for the next 18 months, what is the landscape for getting Bomber?
Hawthorn, Bulldogs, Melbourne, Geelong, North, St Kilda would all be settled, and you'd say Buckley will be safe no matter what.
If Essendon players get rubbed out and they move on Hird, you would think Bomber unlikely there so perhaps only Carlton potentially in the mix.
Let's hope we are already talking to Bomber and ready to move with an offer should things look shaky for Malthouse.
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Better
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Outcoached Malthouse. Well done Dimma!
Slowly improving as a coach. :clapping
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Did he?
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Did he?
Yes. Made adjustments which changed the game.
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Outcoached Malthouse. Well done Dimma!
Slowly improving as a coach. :clapping
Or is it a case of dimmer sticking to his game plan but it actually worked because Carlton were so bad?
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Did he?
Yes. Made adjustments which changed the game.
I didn't see it.
Seemed to me like we set up the way we always do and played well enough to win.
I didn't notice anything change in the second term once we started to turn it around except for our better players lifting.
Hardwick did play McIntosh which is a plus but he played Newman which is a minus.
I think the case was more that Malthouse's M.O is just set up and backs his side to win by being fanatical about his game style.
I'd like to see Hardwick against a coach who reacts to the game before I call any improvement.
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We had 29 bounces that's about 10 x what many other sides have had this round and same time for us Ly. What's that tell you about the way we re playing ::)
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The game plan has completely changed compared to last year.
We are owning The corridor
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Taylor Hunt bounced it every 3 steps at one stage.
Let's wait and see a trend develop before we call change of plan.
And let's stay focussed on #Bomber16.
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Ly we would have been lucky to have 29 bounces in the first 6 rounds , a good indicator how you re playing :shh
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Footscray were terrific this evening. If we are not careful they will kill us with there run and speed. Need to win the clearances here. The game is changing, even Melbourne look dangerous now.
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Footscray were terrific this evening. If we are not careful they will kill us with there run and speed. Need to win the clearances here. The game is changing, even Melbourne look dangerous now.
yeah funny thing isn't it?
They talk about equalization. But really only the middle tier teams need protection.
agree if we take them lightly they will cause problems, Dees in particular play a sh it house brand of footy that sucks their opposition in. :-\
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We had 29 bounces that's about 10 x what many other sides have had this round and same time for us Ly. What's that tell you about the way we re playing ::)
Theyre bouncing unnecessarily ?
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Has he been fired yet?
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Footscray were terrific this evening. If we are not careful they will kill us with there run and speed. Need to win the clearances here. The game is changing, even Melbourne look dangerous now.
Yeah they looked dangerous, very fast. Must win the clearances and contested ball
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they were dangerous last yr. last time i looked they beat us. as did melbourne. competition was pretty even last yr for most sides this yr its just got tighter.
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Good chance RFC will be shown up,and embarrassed by the dogs.
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Good chance RFC will be shown up,and embarrassed by the dogs.
The Asian bloke will smash Grigg, again
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Hawks dominating controlling the game against the cats early in the third up by 40 points.
The cats have 1 foray up forward and Clarkson loses it in the coaches box.
That's a coach that doesn't accept mediocrity of any sort.
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Hawks dominating controlling the game against the cats early in the third up by 40 points.
The cats have 1 foray up forward and Clarkson loses it in the coaches box.
That's a coach that doesn't accept mediocrity of any sort.
He can afford that luxury with the list he has at his disposal...
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Pretty sure Hawks were winning that game too. Think they conceded a goal just before QTR time and Clarkson lost it haha
Funny thing is you watch Dimma losing a match and he's doing nothing. Kinda like Mark Neeld used to do. Just hoping he disappears into his chair...
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He's an actor
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Hawks dominating controlling the game against the cats early in the third up by 40 points.
The cats have 1 foray up forward and Clarkson loses it in the coaches box.
That's a coach that doesn't accept mediocrity of any sort.
That's a coach with anger management issues.
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i really dislike grigg
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I cant see what reasoning he had in bringing in Lambert and Petterd after losing Deledio and Edwards. It was a diabolical decision. Im no longer fully supportive of hardwick.
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Questions need to be asked why Dimma can't get this team to play when it's games we need to win.No more exuses for him I still believe he is out coached to easy.
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doggies are a good team
they run and the tackle
do 1 per-centers like bump and help out their mate
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Bulldogs will play finals this year if they can keep up the intensity during the season. They are a quality young side. They lost Griffen, they lost Cooney ... and they are a better club, we lose one or two to injuries and we go up poo creek.
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Have been against the anti Hardwick returick but the guy cannot coach match day. Needs to go. Lost at selection with petterd coming in
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Have been against the anti Hardwick returick but the guy cannot coach match day. Needs to go. Lost at selection with petterd coming in
team selection is a greater issue even than lack of coaching ability
imho
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what would happen in a universe: were a ross lyon or paul roos was the bossman at tigerland?
somehow i think its be better than that display
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roos doesn't want to coach I don't think, its just that the offer he got from Melbourne was too good to turn down and Lyon I don't know when he is out of contract, but I would be making communication with his manager. Lyon deep down wants to coach a big Melbourne club. That's us.
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Have been against the anti Hardwick returick but the guy cannot coach match day. Needs to go. Lost at selection with petterd coming in
team selection is a greater issue even than lack of coaching ability
imho
A bit of both for mine
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roos doesn't want to coach I don't think, its just that the offer he got from Melbourne was too good to turn down and Lyon I don't know when he is out of contract, but I would be making communication with his manager. Lyon deep down wants to coach a big Melbourne club. That's us.
It was just a hypothetical nothing more
if richmond football club had a coach of the caliber of say; Roos, Lyon rather than the current situation how would the last few years or the future pan out?
if nothing more it is interesting to think about, no?
in regards to lyon - i wouldnt mind his topping up, flag or nothing mentality. our list is not really young anymore. cant be anyworse than the current status quo
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Out coached against a second game coach.
SACK HARDWICK! :banghead
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Lmao
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Lmao
I agree
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Have been against the anti Hardwick returick but the guy cannot coach match day. Needs to go. Lost at selection with petterd coming in
team selection is a greater issue even than lack of coaching ability
imho
Who do you think makes the last call on selection - Benny Gayle?
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Have been against the anti Hardwick returick but the guy cannot coach match day. Needs to go. Lost at selection with petterd coming in
team selection is a greater issue even than lack of coaching ability
imho
Who do you think makes the last call on selection - Benny Gayle?
Mr. Hardwick.
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How many likes for Mark 'Tiger' Thompson to Tiger land in 2016.
Hardwick is not good enough and the fact he's that unprofessional to continue to pick Newman as well as the selection of Petterd is a disgrace. We lose 2 quick midfielders and he picks a medium forward and a slow contested midfielder. Idiot. Goodbye. Enough is enough. We aren't the cut throat, est our own, club anymore. It's time we had an elite coach.
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Sack Ross Smith
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How many likes for Mark 'Tiger' Thompson to Tiger land in 2016.
Hardwick is not good enough and the fact he's that unprofessional to continue to pick Newman as well as the selection of Petterd is a disgrace. We lose 2 quick midfielders and he picks a medium forward and a slow contested midfielder. Idiot. Goodbye. Enough is enough. We aren't the cut throat, est our own, club anymore. It's time we had an elite coach.
*Celestial applause*
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According to Wikipaedia Ross Lyon signed a 4 year contract with Fremantle in 2011 taking into consideration season 2012 (1) 2013 (2) 2014 (3) 2015 (4). That means Lyon is available at the end of this season. Richmond should keep this in mind and move Dimma on if things start to go downhill.
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Unless Dimma can get us top 6 plus a finals win, his time is over. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a hopeless romantic. 5 years and no finals win doesn't deserve a 6th year.
Next year we could potentially be behind GC if we aren't already and would need to look at contending for flag post GC and GWS monopoly.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.
He is a good coach from October to March and from Monday to Wednesday.
He is a good assistant coach, not a senior coach.
I'd like to see him stay on as assistant to Bomber. Not that he would but I'd love him too.
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He's too soft.
He's a liar.
He's got favourites.
He's a pussy at selection.
He's been given enough time.
He's failed.
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Just like we need to keep at the umpires regardless if we win or lose we should do the same in this thread
Let's get it pumping
Sack the bum
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He's too soft.
He's a liar.
He's got favourites.
He's a pussy at selection.
He's been given enough time.
He's failed.
x2
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Some of the comments directed at Dimma are just plain awful.
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Players need to take blame & not the coach. Too often the coach wears the brunt of the supporters but at RFC its the players who need to form a solid bond of whole playing group including the players outside the top 22 as their role is just as important to force their own career. Support the Coach & support the club.
:gotigers
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Well said Monk.
People on here poo me at times.
Poor recruiting, let's sack Francis Jackson.
poo trading, let's sack Blair Hartley.
Our on field leadership is poo, cotchin should not be captain.
poo game, let's sack the coach.
We don't too bad as a team when we apparently fail at four crucial parts of the operation.
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Well said Monk.
People on here poo me at times.
Poor recruiting, let's sack Francis Jackson.
poo trading, let's sack Blair Hartley.
Our on field leadership is poo, cotchin should not be captain.
poo game, let's sack the coach.
We don't too bad as a team when we apparently fail at four crucial parts of the operation.
We don't do too bad? Depends if your pass mark is existing for premierships or middling about the ladder and scraping into the 8 every now and then.
It's the acceptance of this middling which makes me wonder if the fans and club have developed a culture of mediocrity.
For a club with a strong brand, excellent facilities, good finances, staff resources, and 70,000 members we punch way below our weight.
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If the stupid team is unable to bond then it's the idiot coaches fault.
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If Bomber is ever appointed coach of RFC I would seriously question my level of support for the club,thats how strongly I feel about the culture he has come from
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Well said Monk.
People on here poo me at times.
Poor recruiting, let's sack Francis Jackson.
poo trading, let's sack Blair Hartley.
Our on field leadership is poo, cotchin should not be captain.
poo game, let's sack the coach.
We don't too bad as a team when we apparently fail at four crucial parts of the operation.
We don't do too bad? Depends if your pass mark is existing for premierships or middling about the ladder and scraping into the 8 every now and then.
It's the acceptance of this middling which makes me wonder if the fans and club have developed a culture of mediocrity.
For a club with a strong brand, excellent facilities, good finances, staff resources, and 70,000 members we punch way below our weight.
My point is you all blame the coach and want him sacked. Then you all blame Francis Jackson, or Hartley, which kind of absolves Hardwick of the blame.
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Next four weeks will be interesting.
Tactically will be challenged!
We have the players to win all four matches.
The question is ...
Can Hardwick's Game Plan beat Melbourne, Geelong, North Melbourne, Collingwood?
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Next four weeks will be interesting.
Tactically will be challenged!
We have the players to win all four matches.
The question is ...
Can Hardwick's Game Plan beat Melbourne, Geelong, North Melbourne, Collingwood?
no
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what is hardwicks game plan and why cant it beat these teams?
what is about their game plans that is superior?
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what is hardwicks game plan and why cant it beat these teams?
what is about their game plans that is superior?
Don't hold your breath al
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Anyone for Brett Kirk as coach if Dimma fails this year?
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Anyone for Brett Kirk as coach if Dimma fails this year?
I would even accept Captain Kirk
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captain kirk and his wigg?
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Kick Cameron would be better.
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Anyone for Brett Kirk as coach if Dimma fails this year?
I would even accept Captain Kirk
Spock would have been more logical! ;)
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I'd take a bottle of kirks
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Next four weeks will be interesting.
Tactically will be challenged!
We have the players to win all four matches.
The question is ...
Can Hardwick's Game Plan beat Melbourne, Geelong, North Melbourne, Collingwood?
All bogey sides - so it's first a case of the players showing up with the right positive attitude, intensity and work ethic. No tactics, structures or overall gameplan will work if the players don't show up to play (see Bulldogs loss).
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Anyone for Brett Kirk as coach if Dimma fails this year?
I would even accept Captain Kirk
I would be keen, what is he up to this year, he is in the media?? He would need the skin of a Rhino to coach ricjmond
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Anyone for Brett Kirk as coach if Dimma fails this year?
I would even accept Captain Kirk
I would be keen, what is he up to this year, he is in the media?? He would need the skin of a Rhino to coach ricjmond
Brett Kirk is assistant to Lyon at Freo.
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Next four weeks will be interesting.
Tactically will be challenged!
We have the players to win all four matches.
The question is ...
Can Hardwick's Game Plan beat Melbourne, Geelong, North Melbourne, Collingwood?
dont think we can beat north. imo the other three games are all 50/50 at best. its funny and sort of says where we are at. some can see us winning all 4, others can see us losing all 4.
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They're both fukcwits
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On tv now.
stuffen idiot.
NFI.
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I think a clubs judgement can sometimes be clouded by the close relationships developed with players/coaches. An outside perspective would be an added bonus in assessing the weaknesses of both players & coaches.
Does anyone else think there is some merit in the club employing someone like Bomber Thomson to critique players, coaching moves, weakness etc completely outside of the inner workings of the club?
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Does anyone else think there is some merit in the club employing someone like Bomber Thomson to critique players, coaching moves, weakness etc completely outside of the inner workings of the club?
I think there is merit in it.
But I reckon the problem comes back to who do you get to do it without there being any possibility of bias or independence
I mean who do you get to chose the person to do the review? The board? CEO? Some sort of working committee?
Just think it wouldn't matter who got the gig different folks with their own agendas would complain
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Does anyone else think there is some merit in the club employing someone like Bomber Thomson to critique players, coaching moves, weakness etc completely outside of the inner workings of the club?
I think there is merit in it.
But I reckon the problem comes back to who do you get to do it without there being any possibility of bias or independence
I mean who do you get to chose the person to do the review? The board? CEO? Some sort of working committee?
Just think it wouldn't matter who got the gig different folks with their own agendas would complain
it would have to be a footy department appointment id say somebody that Dimma was comfortable with thats why I think Bomber would be perfect.
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It's a great idea, but let's be serious, we have the right bloke sitting on the bench ready to do that job.
Enter Choco.
Will never happen because the club wouldn't like to hear that they are soft and can't make hard decisions.
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It's a great idea, but let's be serious, we have the right bloke sitting on the bench ready to do that job.
Enter Choco.
Will never happen because the club wouldn't like to hear that they are soft and can't make hard decisions.
The idea was someone disconnected with the club without the strong relationships that can cloud ones thinking.
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It's a great idea, but let's be serious, we have the right bloke sitting on the bench ready to do that job.
Enter Choco.
Will never happen because the club wouldn't like to hear that they are soft and can't make hard decisions.
The idea was someone disconnected with the club without the strong relationships that can cloud ones thinking.
Fair enough, my bad.
Like I said would be good for some to hear the truth.
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:clapping
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Pay him out. Bring back Frawley
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it doesn't matter who coaches Richmond. the list management of the club is rooted. there are no leaders, there are no real superstars, there is nothing to hang your hat on. the list is rubbish.
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it doesn't matter who coaches Richmond. the list management of the club is rooted. there are no leaders, there are no real superstars, there is nothing to hang your hat on. the list is rubbish.
Disagree.
The list has some talent.
In a universe where Paul Roos was coach it would be different...
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Atleast the footy department have plenty of this.
Comfortable & content.
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it doesn't matter who coaches Richmond. the list management of the club is rooted. there are no leaders, there are no real superstars, there is nothing to hang your hat on. the list is rubbish.
The list is better than the output our Muppet coach puts out..
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it doesn't matter who coaches Richmond. the list management of the club is rooted. there are no leaders, there are no real superstars, there is nothing to hang your hat on. the list is rubbish.
The list is better than the output our Muppet coach puts out..
Yep.
somehow, i reckon John Longmire, Ross Lyon, Ken Hinkley wouldnt put in quite as a rubbish effort as dimma
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it doesn't matter who coaches Richmond. the list management of the club is rooted. there are no leaders, there are no real superstars, there is nothing to hang your hat on. the list is rubbish.
The list is better than the output our Muppet coach puts out..
Yep.
somehow, i reckon John Longmire, Ross Lyon, Ken Hinkley wouldnt put in quite as a rubbish effort as dimma
Not sure if HInkley is a valid yard stick anymore
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it doesn't matter who coaches Richmond. the list management of the club is rooted. there are no leaders, there are no real superstars, there is nothing to hang your hat on. the list is rubbish.
The list is better than the output our Muppet coach puts out..
No its not, three or four injuries and we're open.
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it doesn't matter who coaches Richmond. the list management of the club is rooted. there are no leaders, there are no real superstars, there is nothing to hang your hat on. the list is rubbish.
The list is better than the output our Muppet coach puts out..
Yep.
somehow, i reckon John Longmire, Ross Lyon, Ken Hinkley wouldnt put in quite as a rubbish effort as dimma
Not sure if HInkley is a valid yard stick anymore
why, cause they lost two games?
i wanted him, when the club choose hardwick.
didnt like dimma then. dont like him now.
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it doesn't matter who coaches Richmond. the list management of the club is rooted. there are no leaders, there are no real superstars, there is nothing to hang your hat on. the list is rubbish.
The list is better than the output our Muppet coach puts out..
Yep.
somehow, i reckon John Longmire, Ross Lyon, Ken Hinkley wouldnt put in quite as a rubbish effort as dimma
Not sure if HInkley is a valid yard stick anymore
why, cause they lost two games?
i wanted him, when the club choose hardwick.
didnt like dimma then. dont like him now.
Just haven't heard people talking Hinkley up this year
I think it's important to have the right yardsticks
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it doesn't matter who coaches Richmond. the list management of the club is rooted. there are no leaders, there are no real superstars, there is nothing to hang your hat on. the list is rubbish.
The list is better than the output our Muppet coach puts out..
Yep.
somehow, i reckon John Longmire, Ross Lyon, Ken Hinkley wouldnt put in quite as a rubbish effort as dimma
Not sure if HInkley is a valid yard stick anymore
why, cause they lost two games?
i wanted him, when the club choose hardwick.
didnt like dimma then. dont like him now.
Just haven't heard people talking Hinkley up this year
I think it's important to have the right yardsticks
no point worrying about a yardstick when the current model is a moron
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The tribe has spoken. Hardwick is on borrowed time as Richmond coach. Its over.
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Didn't Hardwick once say then when he felt that he could no longer improve the players he would leave of his own volition. Well that time has come. 5years into a 6thyear. Its over for him as Richmond coach. He may not have lost the players yet but he cant improve them any further. Its time to go.
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Dimmer
" we're a better side than that"
"Our best is good enough"
"Our boys will come out to play next week"
"If we play our best footy we can beat anyone"
We'll trouble sides (this season) (frawleyesque)
Asked if he gave the team a spray after the game, he said -"NO"
Praising MELBOURNE is a cop out.
Nice job of passing the buck.
Truth is, you don't have the leadership qualities needed to take a team into the top 2 or 4.
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remember what a rabble melbourne were just 2 years ago? How can we, 6 years into a rebuild, lose to them. We also lost to them last hear. How can we continually lose these games. How can Paul Roos make such an immediate difference. I think the players are off dimma. Should voice their opinions.
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'12 injuries doesn't help'
Weak as pee.
Deledio the only player we are really missing.
We weren't beaten in our backline and missed Chaplin or Grimes. We would only be marginally better with Conca back.
Pathetic
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Dimmers disection should focus on the tactical moves he makes during games, not where the players went wrong
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I'm sure the coach and his "yes men" mates sitting in their ergonomic chairs looking at the up-to-the-minute data on all their expensive gadgets paid for by the thousands of dollars poured in by the loyal members.
They will eventually come up with a credible excuse as to why we lost this week and then they will talk the talk & they'll justify themselves by their answers to all the data & they'll feel warm and fuzzy because they've got the best equipment money can buy.
.....But nothing really will change.
poo STILL STINKS!
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People shouldn't get this cut up about Richmond FC. They are not worth it. The reality is that the Administration and the Players see the members and supporters as a Money generator only. They don't give a stuff about us or what we think. All they care about is how much money they get in there weekly salary package so they can live there nice easy lifestyle on big money that was given to them - By Us!. That's all!
The sooner people realize this the better.
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Bring back Frawley, bring back the passion :stupid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qKIwsTWOFk
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The tribe has spoken. Hardwick is on borrowed time as Richmond coach. Its over.
:thumbsup
Go home Hardwick, take Grigg with you too!
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It appears he can't motive the players. He is losing the fans. He must be on borrowed time.
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"12 injury doesnt help"
"were not using it as an excuse"
:whistle :whistle
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Great comment from Whately on 360 tonight.
'You can pick them (Tigers) in the first 10 minutes'.
And then nothing changes for the rest of the game. Game plan stays the same, and if things aren't going our way in that first quarter we're done and dusted for the night.
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Great comment from Whately on 360 tonight.
'You can pick them (Tigers) in the first 10 minutes'.
And then nothing changes for the rest of the game. Game plan stays the same, and if things aren't going our way in that first quarter we're done and dusted for the night.
So true this
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Try first five minutes
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Great comment from Whately on 360 tonight.
'You can pick them (Tigers) in the first 10 minutes'.
And then nothing changes for the rest of the game. Game plan stays the same, and if things aren't going our way in that first quarter we're done and dusted for the night.
yep, and in games that are arm wrestles how often do you see the opposition able to find another gear but we chug along like a diesel engine?
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the young lists of the demonds, footscray, st kilda... catching up to the tigers fast
oh no damien
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Great comment from Whately on 360 tonight.
'You can pick them (Tigers) in the first 10 minutes'.
And then nothing changes for the rest of the game. Game plan stays the same, and if things aren't going our way in that first quarter we're done and dusted for the night.
yep, and in games that are arm wrestles how often do you see the opposition able to find another gear but we chug along like a diesel engine?
Yeah RFC the old Kingswood with 3 on the tree.
Reverse Slow and Even Slower than Slow and then Park. :help
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Hulk Hogan was asked on the footy show, “If a coach said that his players didn’t come to play today”, what would you say about that?
“Sack the coach, he said” lol
:bow
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when footballers don't come to play that means they aren't professional enough. its their job, imagine someone at work stuffing up and saying to their boss "sorry boss I'm not switched on for work today" ... that's what Richmond supporters have been putting up with for 30 years plus now. Just people taking the pizz and knowing that nothing will happen and that their pay packets will be in the bank account every week. Its a joke.
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imagine someone at work stuffing up and saying to their boss "sorry boss I'm not switched on for work today"
Sounds like our fork driver every day.
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when footballers don't come to play that means they aren't professional enough. its their job, imagine someone at work stuffing up and saying to their boss "sorry boss I'm not switched on for work today" ... that's what Richmond supporters have been putting up with for 30 years plus now. Just people taking the pizz and knowing that nothing will happen and that their pay packets will be in the bank account every week. Its a joke.
In the end, they need to try for 100 minutes each week. The rest helps but it's all about match day.
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"12 injury doesnt help"
"were not using it as an excuse"
:whistle :whistle
Haha I heard that.
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"12 injury doesnt help"
"were not using it as an excuse"
:whistle :whistle
Haha I heard that.
"We're not (but you can wink wink)
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Another nail in his coffin. Hopefully its the last nail
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Has to go. Cant dish this up after last week.
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Taken us as far as he can, time for change
He won't walk, we need to get rid of him
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F .... him off! Just Get Rid of Him!
Richmond is going backwards at a rate of knots now. And whilst we're sacking people can he take his assistant coaches and Blair Hartley with him.
ALL OF THEM
JUST GET OUT OF OUR CLUB!
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Think the players got to the point where they just need a major change to start playing better footy.
Don't respect Dimma anymore so I think this is as far as we go with Hardwick. Disappointing.
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Am I dreaming??
Hardwick moved Astbury up forward.. And it worked for 1 goal.
Sign him up for 3 years.
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Sam Lloyd vs Harry Taylor... Genius
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Game plan is non existent. Players have been officially lost. How Harry Taylor can be unmanned virtually all game is a disgrace.
We must go back to go forward. Morris grigg hunt Newman plus others have to be dropped.
Cannot counter teams that play a loose man in defense
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What game plan, Hardwick has put all his chips on one bet and lost, the problem is until he goes we will continue with what we have which other sides know how to dismantle without raising a sweat.
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Make a banner Damien Hardwick our taskmaster.
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Checking in
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If you lose by 10 goals it's a player issue..
If you lose by 10 points it's a coach issue..
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If you lose by 10 goals it's a player issue..
If you lose by 10 points it's a coach issue..
Who told you that (and no bs about the old TAC or whatever days)
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Hardwick is not missing easy set shots at goal from 25 m out.
So called professional footballers are ....ones that are on over 500k a year.
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Coached well in the first, didn't he.
Leave a did or two on Hawkins
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Sweet baby Geez couldn't coach our team. How many people need to fealise it is our list managers at fault. Blair Hartley, Francis Jackson and Dan Richardson are all useless sacks of Sh t with zero undersranding of the modern game.
BTW, how come Matty Knights isnt our assistant coach?
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The whole lot of them are too blame
Who switches the play across ground & then has no-one to give it too up the ground, NO runners :banghead
Who kicks it sideways :banghead
Who slows down to kick when they are hot then get caught :banghead
Who handballs to a player when they are running along side the ball carrier. :banghead
Who kicks too 2 on 1 contests.
Where are the crumbers at the 2 on 1 contests. They are 20-30 metres away :banghead
l could roll a whole list off of basic football faults with the game plan & players over working & over committing themselves.
OFF WITH SOME HEADS :snidegrin
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Yeh they're all pooful but this is a hardwick thread.
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Have a look at the dogs.
Have a clear direction and players that are relevant to the game plan.
Get with it RFC.
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go dogs
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At the end of the day, all I care about are wins and premierships. If Stiffy can't deliver those two things, then he is a failure and needs to be moved on. Gale is kidding himself if he thinks we are all going to sit by year after year and continue to support mediocrity.
I couldn't care less about the stats he wants to point out or how special he thinks the group is or how good he thinks that they can play.
All of us members have done our part and contributed to this club being competitive off the field.
Start winning games or pee off. The rest doesn't matter.
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Have a look at the dogs.
Have a clear direction and players that are relevant to the game plan.
Get with it RFC.
Are the dogs the new yardstick ?
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I'd argue this was his worst performance in what has been a dismal year for him.
The game was played completely on Geelong's terms almost from start to finish. Geelong know we want to move the ball quick and launch from half back so what do they do?
Engineer Harry Taylor, one of the better intercept markers in the competition as a spare in defence, alternating with Corey Enright forcing us to go slow and wide. Meanwhile our spare took 13 mins to touch the ball.
What did we do? Sat and watched and kicked 2 goals in the first half.
We've got the best defender in the comp and they have one of the best couple of key forwards. So we sent our third best big defender to him and watched him eat him for a quarter and get the confidence of him and his team up, before doing the obvious at quarter time.
The Steve Morris saga continued. After finally seeing what was obvious to all and sending him back to defence, he bobs up forward again. Ok maybe Geelong didn't have a small forward for him to go to, although I'd have liked to see him with Motlop or Duncan but when it is clear him playing forward doesn't work why didn't we play one of the kids that got dropped instead?
Our ability to score was once again non existent, especially in the first half but for some reason Dustin didn't seem to spend anywhere near the time deep forward he usually does. In the final quarter when we needed to find quick goals our most likely prospect was floating around half back.
Grigg did a great job on Selwood in the first half, but at some point in the second half we decided to move him off and put Miles on him. Grigg generated some shaky disposals and did kick a goal in the last, but Selwood became the difference in the last quarter. As he does.
But the play that summed up Hardwick as a coach for me came at the end, after we kicked a goal to get back to within 2 with about a minute and a half or so to go.
Geelong, very predictably sent two back in defence. Now you'd expect the logical response would be to send more forwards to make it one-on-one all over the ground, but not our Damien. He just sat and let it roll. Sound familiar? We win the clearance and the Geelong spares mop it up and the brief chance we had is snuffed out.
We played a club that is on the wane today and had several good players out and Steve Johnson playing like he was on the take. We 'came to play' in Hardwick speak but didn't get it done because we were out-coached.
I would go as far as to say that if everything else remained constant from today and the coaches changed boxes, we win.
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Have a look at the dogs.
Have a clear direction and players that are relevant to the game plan.
Get with it RFC.
Interesting that the dogs were a basket case late last Nov
Now back on track
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Have a look at the dogs.
Have a clear direction and players that are relevant to the game plan.
Get with it RFC.
Interesting that the dogs were a basket case late last Nov
Now back on track
It causes a pondering in ones soul
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In a way i was hoping for another 10 goal loss today and not some glorified loss
Dimwit is a dud coach. That much is evident. To keep FJ as his head recruiter shows he really has not got an eye for talent himself
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Have a look at the dogs.
Have a clear direction and players that are relevant to the game plan.
Get with it RFC.
Are the dogs the new yardstick ?
What's a yardstick
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Have a look at the dogs.
Have a clear direction and players that are relevant to the game plan.
Get with it RFC.
Are the dogs the new yardstick ?
What's a yardstick
A measuring rod
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But the play that summed up Hardwick as a coach for me came at the end, after we kicked a goal to get back to within 2 with about a minute and a half or so to go.
Geelong, very predictably sent two back in defence. Now you'd expect the logical response would be to send more forwards to make it one-on-one all over the ground, but not our Damien. He just sat and let it roll. Sound familiar? We win the clearance and the Geelong spares mop it up and the brief chance we had is snuffed out.
Agree with the rest except this. A message can only get sent so quickly. That was the players not the coach. Geelong's players have the experience and the nous that we simply don't. We damn well should, it isn't rocket science but no one was smart enough to go forward and even the numbers except eventually Chaplin but it was way too late.
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I'd agree with you but that came after Grigg had a set shot so there was plenty of time to send the runner out and say make sure we set up one-on-one.
Player responsibility as well no doubt but it is the coaches job to train them for that scenario even without a message.
Either way he failed.
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Have a look at the dogs.
Have a clear direction and players that are relevant to the game plan.
Get with it RFC.
Are the dogs the new yardstick ?
What's a yardstick
A measuring rod
We're an inanimate carbon rod.
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Have a look at the dogs.
Have a clear direction and players that are relevant to the game plan.
Get with it RFC.
Are the dogs the new yardstick ?
What's a yardstick
A measuring rod
How long is it?
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I hate to break it to you all but this sacking won't happen this year not unless we cop a Geelong style 2009 thrashing
We are stuck with this spud until the end of the year, and possibly longer
To be honest I don't want him gone now, as it will mean no rance most likely and perhaps no FA. Let the spud coach out the year, get rance signed up then sack him
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But the play that summed up Hardwick as a coach for me came at the end, after we kicked a goal to get back to within 2 with about a minute and a half or so to go.
Geelong, very predictably sent two back in defence. Now you'd expect the logical response would be to send more forwards to make it one-on-one all over the ground, but not our Damien. He just sat and let it roll. Sound familiar? We win the clearance and the Geelong spares mop it up and the brief chance we had is snuffed out.
Agree with the rest except this. A message can only get sent so quickly. That was the players not the coach. Geelong's players have the experience and the nous that we simply don't. We damn well should, it isn't rocket science but no one was smart enough to go forward and even the numbers except eventually Chaplin but it was way too late.
2 years or more ago I was one of the first to point out Hardwicks failings as a Coach and said that he he should be moved on asap. You were most vociferous and uneducated in your support of him. I see today your idiocy deepens. You have either never played the game or are too peeweak to admit the fool you are. My bet is on both
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Be bold Richmond, sack him and get Ross Lyon.
Hardwick is killing the players confidence. No one believes in his game plan.
Hardwick refuses to let go of players like Grigg and Newman. Making excuses for their spot in the team!
Damien Excusewick!
Hard? Our players are hard and tough, they can't go any further with his stubborn coach.
Sack Excusewick :thumbsup
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Actually Grigg was excellent on Selwood yesterday so Hardwick naturally moved him off so Selwood could win the game in the last quarter.
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But the play that summed up Hardwick as a coach for me came at the end, after we kicked a goal to get back to within 2 with about a minute and a half or so to go.
Geelong, very predictably sent two back in defence. Now you'd expect the logical response would be to send more forwards to make it one-on-one all over the ground, but not our Damien. He just sat and let it roll. Sound familiar? We win the clearance and the Geelong spares mop it up and the brief chance we had is snuffed out.
Agree with the rest except this. A message can only get sent so quickly. That was the players not the coach. Geelong's players have the experience and the nous that we simply don't. We damn well should, it isn't rocket science but no one was smart enough to go forward and even the numbers except eventually Chaplin but it was way too late.
2 years or more ago I was one of the first to point out Hardwicks failings as a Coach and said that he he should be moved on asap. You were most vociferous and uneducated in your support of him. I see today your idiocy deepens. You have either never played the game or are too peeweak to admit the fool you are. My bet is on both
He may have taken that stance but Yeahright is an ok bloke. There's no need for the name calling
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But the play that summed up Hardwick as a coach for me came at the end, after we kicked a goal to get back to within 2 with about a minute and a half or so to go.
Geelong, very predictably sent two back in defence. Now you'd expect the logical response would be to send more forwards to make it one-on-one all over the ground, but not our Damien. He just sat and let it roll. Sound familiar? We win the clearance and the Geelong spares mop it up and the brief chance we had is snuffed out.
Agree with the rest except this. A message can only get sent so quickly. That was the players not the coach. Geelong's players have the experience and the nous that we simply don't. We damn well should, it isn't rocket science but no one was smart enough to go forward and even the numbers except eventually Chaplin but it was way too late.
2 years or more ago I was one of the first to point out Hardwicks failings as a Coach and said that he he should be moved on asap. You were most vociferous and uneducated in your support of him. I see today your idiocy deepens. You have either never played the game or are too peeweak to admit the fool you are. My bet is on both
He may have taken that stance but Yeahright is an ok bloke. There's no need for the name calling
ELE?
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All this talk of sacking Hardwick and replacing him with Lyon or Thompson is built on the premise that they actually want to coach our club. I have my doubts that they do.
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Bomber definitely doesn't....Lyon is anybody's if you chuck enough money at him....
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But the play that summed up Hardwick as a coach for me came at the end, after we kicked a goal to get back to within 2 with about a minute and a half or so to go.
Geelong, very predictably sent two back in defence. Now you'd expect the logical response would be to send more forwards to make it one-on-one all over the ground, but not our Damien. He just sat and let it roll. Sound familiar? We win the clearance and the Geelong spares mop it up and the brief chance we had is snuffed out.
Agree with the rest except this. A message can only get sent so quickly. That was the players not the coach. Geelong's players have the experience and the nous that we simply don't. We damn well should, it isn't rocket science but no one was smart enough to go forward and even the numbers except eventually Chaplin but it was way too late.
2 years or more ago I was one of the first to point out Hardwicks failings as a Coach and said that he he should be moved on asap. You were most vociferous and uneducated in your support of him. I see today your idiocy deepens. You have either never played the game or are too peeweak to admit the fool you are. My bet is on both
I agreed with the rest and my support for him was based on giving him a crack since we were seeing a linear progression. I have played the game plenty and to a higher level than you ever would have and that is why I know it shouldn't be up to the coach to send players forward when the game is on the line. But I'm guessing you missed me and that's why you have come back just to look for my posts and talk to me. At least have some balls to stick around :wallywink
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But the play that summed up Hardwick as a coach for me came at the end, after we kicked a goal to get back to within 2 with about a minute and a half or so to go.
Geelong, very predictably sent two back in defence. Now you'd expect the logical response would be to send more forwards to make it one-on-one all over the ground, but not our Damien. He just sat and let it roll. Sound familiar? We win the clearance and the Geelong spares mop it up and the brief chance we had is snuffed out.
Agree with the rest except this. A message can only get sent so quickly. That was the players not the coach. Geelong's players have the experience and the nous that we simply don't. We damn well should, it isn't rocket science but no one was smart enough to go forward and even the numbers except eventually Chaplin but it was way too late.
2 years or more ago I was one of the first to point out Hardwicks failings as a Coach and said that he he should be moved on asap. You were most vociferous and uneducated in your support of him. I see today your idiocy deepens. You have either never played the game or are too peeweak to admit the fool you are. My bet is on both
LMAO You have won the title of Dr
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Have a look at the dogs.
Have a clear direction and players that are relevant to the game plan.
Get with it RFC.
Interesting that the dogs were a basket case late last Nov
Now back on track
Yeah they were but it wasn't all because of the coach
The fact they've got rid of some sooky precious players has helped their cause no end
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Actually Grigg was excellent on Selwood yesterday so Hardwick naturally moved him off so Selwood could win the game in the last quarter.
Agree with you. Grigg's role on Selwood was very good. Should have stayed on him the entire game.
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This is the RFC.
Whoever coaches. Will never be a big name because he won't stand for being told what to do.
New coach appointed. Will give him a go. Naturally enough. He will say what we want to hear.
Year 1 will have ups and downs and may even look like making finals. Of course we won't.
Year 2 . The pressure will be on. Some early defeats and every week there will be a line in the sand.
Just when the season looks shot we win a few but when the whips are cracking as usual we are found wanting.
Year 3 coaching for his life all we see are the same old selections, same old recycled, failed footballers who are grateful to the RFC for the extra couple of hundred grand a year. Press conferences are about as much as being in denial as presenting to new footy fans like Lachie and Emma with their 2.3 kids who attend the RFC pre game functions as Lachie works in corporate marketing for Jeep how progressive and in touch the club is without being critical of the team and players and of course the coaching game plan.
Crowds dwindle, membership drops and guess what we are back to where we were at 2009/2004/1999/1997/1995/1992/1991/1987/1985/1984/1983/1981.
Nothing gained and everything burnt to a crisp and irretrievable.
The Skata Cycle. 33 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
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But the play that summed up Hardwick as a coach for me came at the end, after we kicked a goal to get back to within 2 with about a minute and a half or so to go.
Geelong, very predictably sent two back in defence. Now you'd expect the logical response would be to send more forwards to make it one-on-one all over the ground, but not our Damien. He just sat and let it roll. Sound familiar? We win the clearance and the Geelong spares mop it up and the brief chance we had is snuffed out.
Agree with the rest except this. A message can only get sent so quickly. That was the players not the coach. Geelong's players have the experience and the nous that we simply don't. We damn well should, it isn't rocket science but no one was smart enough to go forward and even the numbers except eventually Chaplin but it was way too late.
2 years or more ago I was one of the first to point out Hardwicks failings as a Coach and said that he he should be moved on asap. You were most vociferous and uneducated in your support of him. I see today your idiocy deepens. You have either never played the game or are too peeweak to admit the fool you are. My bet is on both
He may have taken that stance but "Dooks" is an ok bloke.
Edited for accuracy Dooks
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But the play that summed up Hardwick as a coach for me came at the end, after we kicked a goal to get back to within 2 with about a minute and a half or so to go.
Geelong, very predictably sent two back in defence. Now you'd expect the logical response would be to send more forwards to make it one-on-one all over the ground, but not our Damien. He just sat and let it roll. Sound familiar? We win the clearance and the Geelong spares mop it up and the brief chance we had is snuffed out.
Agree with the rest except this. A message can only get sent so quickly. That was the players not the coach. Geelong's players have the experience and the nous that we simply don't. We damn well should, it isn't rocket science but no one was smart enough to go forward and even the numbers except eventually Chaplin but it was way too late.
2 years or more ago I was one of the first to point out Hardwicks failings as a Coach and said that he he should be moved on asap. You were most vociferous and uneducated in your support of him. I see today your idiocy deepens. You have either never played the game or are too peeweak to admit the fool you are. My bet is on both
I agreed with the rest and my support for him was based on giving him a crack since we were seeing a linear progression. I have played the game plenty and to a higher level than you ever would have and that is why I know it shouldn't be up to the coach to send players forward when the game is on the line. But I'm guessing you missed me and that's why you have come back just to look for my posts and talk to me. At least have some balls to stick around :wallywink
You really do not want me to "stick around"....believe me. I tell you what, when Hardwick is sacked I'll be back to make a last post. - I'll be sure to give you a dishonorable mention. As for the other transparently ignorant football statements you have made - you were wrong and I am vindicated.....(no smartarse emoticon required)....
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Bomber definitely doesn't....Lyon is anybody's if you chuck enough money at him....
That's exactly why he is the perfect man for the job.
He thinks Richmond is a joke and it is. He won't be afraid to come in and tell the truth, not bang on about what a great club it is like all our other new coaches.
It's not really a hard pitch. Does he want to be remembered for the Essendon debacle or as the bloke who fixed the biggest club in the AFL.
That and a heap of cash will get it done.
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Everything that was working for us he ruined. Tried to reinvent the wheel.
Dusty clearance machine, aggressive in your face no nonsense footballer who can kick over a silo turned into a prancing no impact flanker providing no intimidation to opposition players.
Jack, kicks 78 goals in 2010 virtually in 15 games. Leads strongly, great one on one, excellent judgement, can take a speccy too. No no no thoug, need Ty to shave his legs and armpits with him and even pluck his eyebrows. Four years into that experiment much to Jack's loss the teams and ultimately Dumma's. Need a selfish forward to kick bags and help carry thhe side but hey we need to share the load and walk the ball in. There is no I in team.
Cotch is just a good solid player who can't kick a set shot, has impact but crucially not enough and no prescence.
My line in the sand is the Hawthorn game in 2012. We played better footy in 2012 with a 10/11/1 record than in 2013/14 when we made finals.
Has changed critical components that led to his early success whilst maintaining others that clearly ie have gone past their use by dates. IE Player favourites.
Everyone seems to have the same sort of philosophy more or less. It's just frustrating wayching us go down that futile RFC path to nowhere as we come to the crossroad of another failed RFC coach. :help
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Bomber definitely doesn't....Lyon is anybody's if you chuck enough money at him....
That's exactly why he is the perfect man for the job.
He thinks Richmond is a joke and it is. He won't be afraid to come in and tell the truth, not bang on about what a great club it is like all our other new coaches.
It's not really a hard pitch. Does he want to be remembered for the Essendon debacle or as the bloke who fixed the biggest club in the AFL.
That and a heap of cash will get it done.
But the powers that be at RFC don't want Ross.
Will call a spade a spade and will ruffle feathers.
RFC want someone who will call a urinal cake butter shortbread to appeal to the masses.
Get ready for some coach coming in that will be putty for the power that be not shameless in calling
the RFC a pathetic rabble.
I'll go as far and say Brendan McCartney type may be a candidate. Cheap and happy to get the gig.
The Skata Cycle. 33 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
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Said it before but still believe we have made major errors with recruitment in terms of the psychological attributes of players. At work we once had a training day which consisted of a personality test to determine introverts and extroverts and those who can be either. The idea being that the best teams consists of a mix of types. I would bet that our squad consists of more introverted personalities than just about many other side. We see the importance of extroverts where leadership is required and that is clearly missing at the moment. We have a team of really nice blokes which is great if you want their mum's to be happy they are safe and sound away from home but when it comes to players who will drag their team mates across the line then we simply don't have that type of player and until the recruiting staff are jettisoned to another planet we never will.
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if anyone here is masochistic enough to watch the game again, or any games this season, count how many times we have a player take possession moving towards our goal and then handball forward to player, often stationary, often in congestion and often facing the wrong way. The result is predictable.
this happens so many times and appears so instinctual it must be drilled into them, therfore it is an indictment on the coach.
It may look good at training when the receiver is actually running the correct line/angle and there is other runners to receive the next handball, and more importantly there is no real pressure -you can see it works sometimes in a game when there is no pressure.
when there is pressure from the oppostion team, it goes to crap and this clown cant see it.
There are other things, some systematic, some isolated that count against hardwick, but to me this is the biggest, It is a fundamental flaw in his game plan and will never stack up against good sides.
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What you mention Al is a classic case I think of a coach who knows the limitations of quality of his list.
He knows he is lacking quality, furthermore he is bereft of ideas in terms of getting that list in playing a decent style of footy and with that you have a game plan where you are not trying to win but you are trying not to lose.
With that you begin to tinker with your better players positioning and as a result the natural instinct of players suffers, basics are being second guessed based on natural inclination to do something or following a coaches directive. Natural flair also suffers and what you have is a characterless conglomeration of footballers playing bland, boring no hope footy that gets no result.
How can leaders lead if they are not allowed to be free to do so.
Dimma's fear of failure and potential public embarrassment has left him like a deer in the headlights, to afraid to try something different and almost resigned to the fact that eventually he will fall on his sword much like his predecessors did.
For the RFC sake and our sanity lets hope its sooner. This relationship is over. :help
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yeah, i get the impression that things are drilled into players to a point that they no longer think for themselves.
Take Riewvold, the bloke is a very creative and smart footballer. He will make the correct decision more often than not when he has the ball in his hand. yet we have seen him go overboard with being too unselfish. This must be due to the coaching staff getting in his ear about this.
Players like him need guidance, not regimental drilling. Sure teach him the running patterns required, enforce a defensive mindset when the opposition have possession, tell him to pull his head when required, but don't stuff with his head about what to do when he has the pill. His natural instincts will much better than anything anyone on the coaching staff can drill into him in this matter, just let them flow.
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Said it before but still believe we have made major errors with recruitment in terms of the psychological attributes of players. At work we once had a training day which consisted of a personality test to determine introverts and extroverts and those who can be either. The idea being that the best teams consists of a mix of types. I would bet that our squad consists of more introverted personalities than just about many other side. We see the importance of extroverts where leadership is required and that is clearly missing at the moment. We have a team of really nice blokes which is great if you want their mum's to be happy they are safe and sound away from home but when it comes to players who will drag their team mates across the line then we simply don't have that type of player and until the recruiting staff are jettisoned to another planet we never will.
Yep, agree
Great post
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Didn't the club say "leadership qualities" was one if the main things they looked for with kids?
Guess it's gone the way of the"Footskills will be a priority" line we were fed....either that or we just "develop" these attributes out of players or our recruiting staff can't read players or they're just looking at the wrong indicators........strongly suspect it's all of the above....
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Said it before but still believe we have made major errors with recruitment in terms of the psychological attributes of players. At work we once had a training day which consisted of a personality test to determine introverts and extroverts and those who can be either. The idea being that the best teams consists of a mix of types. I would bet that our squad consists of more introverted personalities than just about many other side. We see the importance of extroverts where leadership is required and that is clearly missing at the moment. We have a team of really nice blokes which is great if you want their mum's to be happy they are safe and sound away from home but when it comes to players who will drag their team mates across the line then we simply don't have that type of player and until the recruiting staff are jettisoned to another planet we never will.
Underrated post this.
And I'll add, the media were saying the same thing about us in the early to mid 2000s. And they were right.
It's been a problem that has continued to be ignored
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Everything that was working for us he ruined. Tried to reinvent the wheel.
Yep
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Didn't the club say "leadership qualities" was one if the main things they looked for with kids?
Guess it's gone the way of the"Footskills will be a priority" line we were fed....either that or we just "develop" these attributes out of players or our recruiting staff can't read players or they're just looking at the wrong indicators........strongly suspect it's all of the above....
after conca was drafted there was a really good interview with him where he talked about the psych testing they did. he told how he was studying psychology at the time and he recognised and understood all the questioning. he didn't go as far to admit that he knew the answers they were looking for but you don't need to Einstein to work out those results were not worth a pinch of poo
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how does the shrink test affect the way they play...
I would rather a bunch of drongos playing for us who are hungry desperate,aggressive ....and couldnt spell the word "and'
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Does anyone actually believe the current RFC have the balls to sack Hardwick? They will just do the easy thing and let him see out his contract and then say at least we stuck to our plan, and then employ someone else.
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how does the shrink test affect the way they play...
I would rather a bunch of drongos playing for us who are hungry desperate,aggressive ....and couldnt spell the word "and'
it not an IQ test but supposedly more about finding whether they have the drive and work ethos to succeed
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Didn't the club say "leadership qualities" was one if the main things they looked for with kids?
Guess it's gone the way of the"Footskills will be a priority" line we were fed....either that or we just "develop" these attributes out of players or our recruiting staff can't read players or they're just looking at the wrong indicators........strongly suspect it's all of the above....
Yep, FJ himself said it at the fan forum night several yrs back and they trot it out every draft, apparently, Ellis,Lennon and Ellis are also outstanding leaders
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Any takers for Stewie Dew as our next coach?
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Dew was a very good player. Which club is he at now?
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Dew was a very good player. Which club is he at now?
Senior assistant at the Swans
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Any takers for Stewie Dew as our next coach?
No way known, not even remotely close to being a senior coach. Just as the Adelaide coaching selection committee
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Any takers for Stewie Dew as our next coach?
No way known, not even remotely close to being a senior coach. Just as the Adelaide coaching selection committee
roos wanted him as successor at Melbourne and swans gave him a 3 year deal to keep Melbourne away - rightly or wrongly is very highly regarded in the industry
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Brendan McCartney will be our next coach or someone in his mould.
Someone who'll come cheap and will be pliable for the board to standover. :-\
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I reckon youre right Don, can only ever see yes men being employed at the RFC to ensure they continue living in their fairyland bubble, no chance we'd ever get a Thompson, Roos or Lyon type that will call a spade a spade and say, you've improved and come a long way but you're still poo
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The industry knows internally what we are like despite our boards best efforts in trying to have the club appear otherwise. Hence big name coaches never want to come here and when presented with the opportunity they dismiss it immediately.
Thompson in 1999 is a classic example.
Sheedy always used the Prodigal Son return factor as leverage even though he almost signed in 1999.
The romance was almost there but never materialised.
Roos, Pagan, Parkin, Matthews, Blight heck even Grant Thomas have seen us as fragile.
All clubs are aware of this fragility and always like their chancesagainst us.
Even the opposition hacks see us as their one chance to shine at this level.
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Spewing I don't have billions because if buy that poohole culture and sack every idiot.
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Any takers for Stewie Dew as our next coach?
No way known, not even remotely close to being a senior coach. Just as the Adelaide coaching selection committee
roos wanted him as successor at Melbourne and swans gave him a 3 year deal to keep Melbourne away - rightly or wrongly is very highly regarded in the industry
No he is not, one person doesn't make an industry.
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hang on champ. Being highly regarded by clarko, roos and longmire not good enough for you?
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The industry knows internally what we are like despite our boards best efforts in trying to have the club appear otherwise. Hence big name coaches never want to come here and when presented with the opportunity they dismiss it immediately.
Thompson in 1999 is a classic example.
Sheedy always used the Prodigal Son return factor as leverage even though he almost signed in 1999.
The romance was almost there but never materialised.
Roos, Pagan, Parkin, Matthews, Blight heck even Grant Thomas have seen us as fragile.
All clubs are aware of this fragility and always like their chancesagainst us.
Even the opposition hacks see us as their one chance to shine at this level.
I reckon Ross Lyon would enjoy it here
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The industry knows internally what we are like despite our boards best efforts in trying to have the club appear otherwise. Hence big name coaches never want to come here and when presented with the opportunity they dismiss it immediately.
Thompson in 1999 is a classic example.
Sheedy always used the Prodigal Son return factor as leverage even though he almost signed in 1999.
The romance was almost there but never materialised.
Roos, Pagan, Parkin, Matthews, Blight heck even Grant Thomas have seen us as fragile.
All clubs are aware of this fragility and always like their chancesagainst us.
Even the opposition hacks see us as their one chance to shine at this level.
I reckon Ross Lyon would enjoy it here
Garbage he'd never come. The more $$$$ they offer a coach the more autonomous that coach will be, doing what we wants how he wants.
RFC want a fledgling assistant who thinks he can do the job and has stars in his eyes optimistic that he will be the man to deliver RFC their 11th premiership. Until his 2nd or 3rd year in when the weight of expectation carries with it the smell of failure and another futile RFC caoching appointment who will never ever get another senior gig.
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hang on champ. Being highly regarded by clarko, roos and longmire not good enough for you?
What's that champ, regarded by Clarko as a player not a coach!
I'm telling you he was an absolute disaster when interviewed by Adelaide
Is that ok with you champ?
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says who? okay assuming that clarko never wanted him as an assistant he must be doing something right if longmire and roos both want/ed him.
just on the adelaide interview not turning out well for dew, just refresh my memory how many jobs did hinkley not get again?
He may well be rubbish and you may be right, no one really knows. I thought hardwick was all good things, till he went the monkeyball route and started signing up your foley types for 3 years and handing out 3 year deals to complete duds.
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He's only popular because he can account for everything on paper.
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He's only popular because he can account for everything on paper.
Stop picking on accountants, it's an honourable profession! I'm proof it it ;D
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Let's not forget our board has kept the faint in our senior coach when last year him and his new game plan cost us the first part of the season and it took Jack to speake out,out of frustration and he was hammered for it by the club at least he had balls.What made me love after that we reverted back to our old game plan run and carry fast and attacking etc.That tell's me Dimma and the football department have no idea !!!.
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He's only popular because he can account for everything on paper.
Stop picking on accountants, it's an honourable profession! I'm proof it it ;D
You sure?
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He's only popular because he can account for everything on paper.
Stop picking on accountants, it's an honourable profession! I'm proof it it ;D
You sure?
You saying I'm not honourable?
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You tell me
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He's only popular because he can account for everything on paper.
Stop picking on accountants, it's an honourable profession! I'm proof it it ;D
You sure?
You saying I'm not honourable?
Honourable as the day is long. Mine only works in the Winter months. ;D
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He's only popular because he can account for everything on paper.
Stop picking on accountants, it's an honourable profession! I'm proof it it ;D
You sure?
You saying I'm not honourable?
Two accountants walk into a team meeting........
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You tell me
I am and that's all that needs to be said
You chose not to believe it that's your choice
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Hardly a convincing statement, I'm still undecided
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The industry knows internally what we are like despite our boards best efforts in trying to have the club appear otherwise. Hence big name coaches never want to come here and when presented with the opportunity they dismiss it immediately.
Thompson in 1999 is a classic example.
Sheedy always used the Prodigal Son return factor as leverage even though he almost signed in 1999.
The romance was almost there but never materialised.
Roos, Pagan, Parkin, Matthews, Blight heck even Grant Thomas have seen us as fragile.
All clubs are aware of this fragility and always like their chancesagainst us.
Even the opposition hacks see us as their one chance to shine at this level.
I reckon Ross Lyon would enjoy it here
Garbage he'd never come. The more $$$$ they offer a coach the more autonomous that coach will be, doing what we wants how he wants.
RFC want a fledgling assistant who thinks he can do the job and has stars in his eyes optimistic that he will be the man to deliver RFC their 11th premiership. Until his 2nd or 3rd year in when the weight of expectation carries with it the smell of failure and another futile RFC caoching appointment who will never ever get another senior gig.
I think he would want to come.
He is a smart man and knows he will be a God when he lands the 11th premiership.
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System isn't working and the players can't play it. Refuses to change the system. The players work hard for no reward, ie: goals. The season is over. He had a great opportunity at half time to play attacking football and stuck with the system.
North 13.10 (23 shots at goal for 31 inside 50s)
Richmond 6.11 (17 shots at goal for 33 inside 50s)
13/31 is at 42%
6/33 is at 18%
Hardwick refuses to understand this KPI is the MAIN PROBLEM and every week this has been the problem.
Keep blaming the players and "patches" of bad quarters and funny how it's under your system.
Our players need a smart tactical coach not a stupid accountant.
The main KPI Hardwick: Goals.
I guarantee you Hardwick WILL NOT CHANGE!
SACK HARDWICK!
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Joke of a club. Joke of a coach. Same old poo.
I don't know who are bigger idiots. The board for keeping Hardwick it us supporters that keep watching this crap thinking one day it'll be different.
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I think Hardwick has to go now. Not because he's a bad coach, I actuslly rate him. But it seems the players just need a huge change because we do have good talent and there's no reason we aren't a top 8 side. Think what Hinkley did to port.
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Said it before but still believe we have made major errors with recruitment in terms of the psychological attributes of players. At work we once had a training day which consisted of a personality test to determine introverts and extroverts and those who can be either. The idea being that the best teams consists of a mix of types. I would bet that our squad consists of more introverted personalities than just about many other side. We see the importance of extroverts where leadership is required and that is clearly missing at the moment. We have a team of really nice blokes which is great if you want their mum's to be happy they are safe and sound away from home but when it comes to players who will drag their team mates across the line then we simply don't have that type of player and until the recruiting staff are jettisoned to another planet we never will.
Underrated post this.
And I'll add, the media were saying the same thing about us in the early to mid 2000s. And they were right.
It's been a problem that has continued to be ignored
there was a recruiting video before the start of the season. IMHO that video showed some of the reasons why we are so poor. there was too much just waiting for frank Jackson to make a decision, the others showing a lack of surety in what they believed of the players. Just my take it could be wrong but that video didn't fill me with any confidence.
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One thing really worries me & l was supporting Hardwick but every time the camera was put on Hardwick today he was doing nothing. Not on his phone barking orders or berating the players for so many dumb things. l said it over the last month but l got a feeling Hardwick is about to walk away from the RFC because the message if their are any just ain't getting through.
l believe the coach has lost the players & they are playing to have him step down or get told to go.
l believe the players are running the club & the RFC ain't getting nothing more from me. l ain't watching that anymore l'm done. :banghead
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One thing really worries me & l was supporting Hardwick but every time the camera was put on Hardwick today he was doing nothing. Not on his phone barking orders or berating the players for so many dumb things. l said it over the last month but l got a feeling Hardwick is about to walk away from the RFC because the message if their are any just ain't getting through.
l believe the coach has lost the players & they are playing to have him step down or get told to go.
l believe the players are running the club & the RFC ain't getting nothing more from me. l ain't watching that anymore l'm done. :banghead
Every time I see Hardwick in the box on TV there are only ever 2, maybe 3 others and lucky to have a laptop in sight. Big contrast to other coaches. If he isn't going to do anything in the box he could at least bring a few laptops to play a few LAN games or something.
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One thing really worries me & l was supporting Hardwick but every time the camera was put on Hardwick today he was doing nothing. Not on his phone barking orders or berating the players for so many dumb things. l said it over the last month but l got a feeling Hardwick is about to walk away from the RFC because the message if their are any just ain't getting through.
l believe the coach has lost the players & they are playing to have him step down or get told to go.
l believe the players are running the club & the RFC ain't getting nothing more from me. l ain't watching that anymore l'm done. :banghead
Every time I see Hardwick in the box on TV there are only ever 2, maybe 3 others and lucky to have a laptop in sight. Big contrast to other coaches. If he isn't going to do anything in the box he could at least bring a few laptops to play a few LAN games or something.
Highly doubt Hardwick's problem is him not coaching via computer read outs enough - quite the opposite in fact. I actually think the one thing we should copy from your beloved Steroid Football League is banning all technology during games and make coaches rely on their instincts & wits again.
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Rance into the centre was a master stroke. :wallywink
He has totally lost he team.
How could he not.
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One thing really worries me & l was supporting Hardwick but every time the camera was put on Hardwick today he was doing nothing. Not on his phone barking orders or berating the players for so many dumb things. l said it over the last month but l got a feeling Hardwick is about to walk away from the RFC because the message if their are any just ain't getting through.
l believe the coach has lost the players & they are playing to have him step down or get told to go.
l believe the players are running the club & the RFC ain't getting nothing more from me. l ain't watching that anymore l'm done. :banghead
Every time I see Hardwick in the box on TV there are only ever 2, maybe 3 others and lucky to have a laptop in sight. Big contrast to other coaches. If he isn't going to do anything in the box he could at least bring a few laptops to play a few LAN games or something.
Highly doubt Hardwick's problem is him not coaching via computer read outs enough - quite the opposite in fact. I actually think the one thing we should copy from your beloved Steroid Football League is banning all technology during games and make coaches rely on their instincts & wits again.
Which STERIOD FOOTBALL LEAGUE you referring too ?
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The seppo one dwaino follows...
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Hardwick has always been a poor match day coach. Previously he prepared the team well but other teams have caught onto how we play and Dimma's can't adjust
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He did the unthinkable and got us into finals after 12 years.
Then he peaked getting us to the finals after being 3-10.
Sadly his time is up though.
Thanks for the memories.
The wins against the odds in 2010/11. The Sydney one in 2010 comes to mind.
The breakthrough wins v Sydney and Hawthorn in 2012.
The finals drought breaker v Hawthorn in 2013.
The unbelievable one Sydney last year.
It's you not me. That's it all over. Time to believe in someone else till he gets to where you are right now. Brendan McCartney come on down. This is the RFC. You've had 6 years and we are still making the mistakes we made in 2010 and we had a list/ results worse than Fitzroy.
You've done well but its time to go. Now. Bye bye Dimma.
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What hardwit cannot do, is develop young men.
Thinks it's all a big accounting job.
Dog rat idiot.
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He will be gone at the end of the year.
We should put a poll up to vote who should replace hin in 2016.
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people keep bagging hardwick as coach, but i cannot ever, in my life, recall seeing a team so well drilled at using the handball to put teammates under pressure.
They now just do it so so instinctively, it is a credit to him.
Occasionally we see a player who reverts back to his natural instinct to kick the ball, ignoring flat footed teamates faceing the wrong way pleading for the handball, but it must be remembered that thisis instinct comes from years of playing the game and thus takes time to change.
Give Hardwick time fellas, he will eradicate this instinct completely.
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Spot on TM.
Every time he was on the TV he was doing nothing. Lade was next to him doing nothing. Just watching. That's all they do, watch and hope.
Watching Longmire tonight barking orders every second of the game. Clarkson does the same. Ross Lyon is always pointing and talking to his assistant coaches.
You've had long enough Damien. Time to go.
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Time to go
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But is it really the loss of leppitsch and Campbell? Our midfield is rank and our defense ordinary and yet its mostly the same players
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Spot on TM.
Every time he was on the TV he was doing nothing. Lade was next to him doing nothing. Just watching. That's all they do, watch and hope.
Watching Longmire tonight barking orders every second of the game. Clarkson does the same. Ross Lyon is always pointing and talking to his assistant coaches.
You've had long enough Damien. Time to go.
strategic mastermind
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Lade doesn't get much stick.
I blame him for everything. He's a terrible chief assistant and not a very good friend of Hardwick in my opinion. He's a back slapper of the highest order, comfortable in his cooshie position next to his mate. Good jobs & good $$$$ for good mates at Punt road. A real no ideas man.
SACK LADE.
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Fat boy Chocco sitting on his arse during the deplorable 3rd quarter.
What happened to the chewing gum coach that yells & screams from the sidelines whilst pacing up & down the boundary?
Does he know its futile?
Does he know that the kids are stuffed?
Or is he just very comfy with his lot in life with a cushy job?
Get him a pina colada with an umbrella so he's even more comfy in his chair and get him a bloody lazy boy also no expense spared. :rollin
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Fat boy Chocco sitting on his arse during the deplorable 3rd quarter.
What happened to the chewing gum coach that yells & screams from the sidelines whilst pacing up & down the boundary?
Does he know its futile?
Does he know that the kids are stuffed?
Or is he just very comfy with his lot in life with a cushy job?
Get him a pina colada with an umbrella so he's even more comfy in his chair and get him a bloody lazy boy also no expense spared. :rollin
got sick
realized how pretty the sky and the trees are ...
its just a game ....
after all
isn't that watch chimps wife says?
there are more important things
like yoga and avocado
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FMD!
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He did the unthinkable and got us into finals after 12 years.
Then he peaked getting us to the finals after being 3-10.
Sadly his time is up though.
Thanks for the memories.
The wins against the odds in 2010/11. The Sydney one in 2010 comes to mind.
The breakthrough wins v Sydney and Hawthorn in 2012.
The finals drought breaker v Hawthorn in 2013.
The unbelievable one Sydney last year.
It's you not me. That's it all over. Time to believe in someone else till he gets to where you are right now. Brendan McCartney come on down. This is the RFC. You've had 6 years and we are still making the mistakes we made in 2010 and we had a list/ results worse than Fitzroy.
You've done well but its time to go. Now. Bye bye Dimma.
Just have to say, that Hawthorn match in 2013 was outta this world. I remember sitting in row B in my reserved seat, getting soaked despite my poncho, when we jagged a goal or two in the final quarter and it start bucketing rain. Up until that moment I still thought we were gonna lose it.
Nobody could miss that day. Jackson and Edwards kicking the most ridiculous goals haha. And that day was Steve Morris' first AFL goal too, which was actually a complete ripper...
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He did the unthinkable and got us into finals after 12 years.
Then he peaked getting us to the finals after being 3-10.
Sadly his time is up though.
Thanks for the memories.
The wins against the odds in 2010/11. The Sydney one in 2010 comes to mind.
The breakthrough wins v Sydney and Hawthorn in 2012.
The finals drought breaker v Hawthorn in 2013.
The unbelievable one Sydney last year.
It's you not me. That's it all over. Time to believe in someone else till he gets to where you are right now. Brendan McCartney come on down. This is the RFC. You've had 6 years and we are still making the mistakes we made in 2010 and we had a list/ results worse than Fitzroy.
You've done well but its time to go. Now. Bye bye Dimma.
Just have to say, that Hawthorn match in 2013 was outta this world. I remember sitting in row B in my reserved seat, getting soaked despite my poncho, when we jagged a goal or two in the final quarter and it start bucketing rain. Up until that moment I still thought we were gonna lose it.
Nobody could miss that day. Jackson and Edwards kicking the most ridiculous goals haha. And that day was Steve Morris' first AFL goal too, which was actually a complete ripper...
I enjoyed that game too.
I was with my brother and another mate that are mad Hawthorn. Even they enjoyed it they recon seeing me so pumped. I was up and about taping each of them on top of the head every goal we kicked.
The sad bit is it doesn't happen nearly enough.
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My wife just turned around and asked what I was reading.
I was on this forum but I said how to make a wife happy.
She said SACK HARDWICK.
Peed my self.
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how lucky is Damien Carlton has exploded?
the media too dumb to focus on two things at once
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I've never seen anything more ridiculous than what happened on the weekend.
Chaplin up forward, Morris up forward and Rance in the centre bounce. Granted Morris has been tried up forward for a while but is this Plan B? Take out our entire defensive line up and put them up the ground?
I'm sorry but that is panic stations from our coaching staff. Absolute panic stations. They are 3 of the back 6 we had last year that played finals football. What sort of laughing stock does that. If it were Round 1 after trying it out all pre season fair enough but we are 2 months into the season and the coaching staff have given up on the group and game plan and are playing musical chairs. Laughing Stock.
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I've never seen anything more ridiculous than what happened on the weekend.
Chaplin up forward, Morris up forward and Rance in the centre bounce. Granted Morris has been tried up forward for a while but is this Plan B? Take out our entire defensive line up and put them up the ground?
I'm sorry but that is panic stations from our coaching staff. Absolute panic stations. They are 3 of the back 6 we had last year that played finals football. What sort of laughing stock does that. If it were Round 1 after trying it out all pre season fair enough but we are 2 months into the season and the coaching staff have given up on the group and game plan and are playing musical chairs. Laughing Stock.
Don't think it was panic stations, think it was more along the lines of the game was shot, we weren't going to come back, so why not try something anything? Do you really think we were any chance at 3qtr time on Saturday? We weren't game was gone 20 minutes into the third
They've thrown Chaplin forward before, last year against Port at Etihad and it worked, he kicked a couple = it worked
People complain when they do nothing but now you're complaining when they did something different
Can't have it both ways Pope
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We have a non functioning forward line, its that simple, therefore Hardwick is trying to come up with a magic fix which just wont happen in the short term. We have obvious deficiencies in that we don't have a power forward and we have no skilled small forwards. Therefore we regularly get the ball in there but as we have all seen the ball just comes out just as quickly. These deficiencies need to be addressed with recruitment but we all know that wont happen in the short term because the delusional people in those positions seem to think everything is pretty well covered with the list we have. Every time i read this forum there is at least one thread relating to our dire need to recruit exciting small classy forwards (Indigenous often preferred), it hasn't happened and now its coming back to bite us. Its been said ad nauseum but Morris isn't the answer and nor was his predecessor in Kingy, both were/are stop gap forwards at best and the sooner we pour some resources into this area we are going to be at the base of the ladder for some time to come.
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I've never seen anything more ridiculous than what happened on the weekend.
Chaplin up forward, Morris up forward and Rance in the centre bounce. Granted Morris has been tried up forward for a while but is this Plan B? Take out our entire defensive line up and put them up the ground?
I'm sorry but that is panic stations from our coaching staff. Absolute panic stations. They are 3 of the back 6 we had last year that played finals football. What sort of laughing stock does that. If it were Round 1 after trying it out all pre season fair enough but we are 2 months into the season and the coaching staff have given up on the group and game plan and are playing musical chairs. Laughing Stock.
Don't think it was panic stations, think it was more along the lines of the game was shot, we weren't going to come back, so why not try something anything? Do you really think we were any chance at 3qtr time on Saturday? We weren't game was gone 20 minutes into the third
They've thrown Chaplin forward before, last year against Port at Etihad and it worked, he kicked a couple = it worked
People complain when they do nothing but now you're complaining when they did something different
Can't have it both ways Pope
The game was shot due to the way we were playing, not the scoreline. Look at the Saints on the weekend coming from 50+ points down in the third quarter.
I thought it was absolutely stupid to throw Rance into the middle and Chaplin forward.
What I would have liked to see would be the coaches put the players on notice. If they don't tackle and play hard in that last they are in the VFL. If they don't play for the jumper then you are out. I would have loved to see a considerable change in what we were dishing up, some hard tackling football, some pressure on the opponents, man on man. Would have been nice to see some blokes that actually gave a stuff because they thought if they didn't they would get the flick from the senior side as opposed to no efforts from some as they know they'll never get the chop.
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I've been saying for a couple of season now, I'm not convinced on Hardwick. I don't believe he is a good game day coach. How many times have we seen this side continue to play the style of football they do on a clear day when it starts to rain at half time. Look at the Melbourne game this year, rain comes down at half time, and Melbourne gain metres wherever they can. Richmond continue to look for that switch in the middle and turn the ball over time and time again.
How many weeks do we have to endure our players kicking long into our forward 50 to a contest where our forwards are outnumbered, instead of someone lowering their eyes and hitting someone short for a shot at goal?
All things that coaches should have addressed a long time ago and yet we still see the same simple errors week in week out. Frustrating as hell to watch, and for those things I blame the coach and his coaching staff.
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I've never seen anything more ridiculous than what happened on the weekend.
Chaplin up forward, Morris up forward and Rance in the centre bounce. Granted Morris has been tried up forward for a while but is this Plan B? Take out our entire defensive line up and put them up the ground?
I'm sorry but that is panic stations from our coaching staff. Absolute panic stations. They are 3 of the back 6 we had last year that played finals football. What sort of laughing stock does that. If it were Round 1 after trying it out all pre season fair enough but we are 2 months into the season and the coaching staff have given up on the group and game plan and are playing musical chairs. Laughing Stock.
as someone who often rides in on their unicorn banging on about no plan B, how bout you tell us what should have happened?
Is there any magical move he could have made that would not be robbing paul to play peter?
(hint, ask your unicorn if you dont know)
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It was all too late but least they tried something for once. Should've also moved Morris back to play on Thomas.
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Maybe only Plan B's that work can be implemented
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I've never seen anything more ridiculous than what happened on the weekend.
Chaplin up forward, Morris up forward and Rance in the centre bounce. Granted Morris has been tried up forward for a while but is this Plan B? Take out our entire defensive line up and put them up the ground?
I'm sorry but that is panic stations from our coaching staff. Absolute panic stations. They are 3 of the back 6 we had last year that played finals football. What sort of laughing stock does that. If it were Round 1 after trying it out all pre season fair enough but we are 2 months into the season and the coaching staff have given up on the group and game plan and are playing musical chairs. Laughing Stock.
I agree with this, there is no one better placed to play full forward in this side than Jack at any stage of the game.
Yeah sure it was time for a 'change up' but change up from what, you don't know how well your FF is going unless you actually play him there. If we need hit up targets on the hff and wing, then pick them, Aaron Edwards was doing the job adequately on rookie wage, not sure we need our gun 750k FF doing this.
As for playing limited defenders there, you are right, that is panic stations.
What is plan B?
The next best option deep forward is Dusty, which was working nicely during the 9 game streak, closely followed Deledio then Cotchin. Deledio is the one that gets me. He showed so much when he was played forward early in his career, yet Hardwick will not even consider it, even if Lids is copping a hard tag with no help from the lesser mortals of the team. Does Hardwick think that he alone can outsmart the conventional proven wisdoms of footy? Does he not play Lids at FF because Wallet did, therefore we are never doing it again.
For the first time, I am officially endorsing this thread, Hardwick has done OK at Richmond, nothing more, nothing less, and he can't do anything more for this bunch of players either. We are going to be 2-8 going into the bye after an away game at Freo, and I think that this is the right time to deliver the old Punt Rd special envelope, been handed to a few over the years, time for another one. See ya later Hardwick.
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C'mon lads can't let a good win derail this thread
Let's get it going
Sack the bum, he has no plan b
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He was still awful today.
Actually managed to appear a worse coach during a win, that shows how bad his match day work is.
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C'mon lads can't let a good win derail this thread
Let's get it going
Sack the bum, he has no plan b
The win is appreciated. Doesn't mean the decision to start Rance in the middle wasn't comical.
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At least he tried something.............. :thumbsup
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I think the Rance in the middle just highlighted the lack of creativity their is at Tigerland. I've never seen a worse move, this was worse than Wallace moving Richo into the ruck vs Geelong at Etihad when we lost by 150 points.
The only thing that has worked consistently over the past 2 season is Rance. Why would you move him into the middle... To Hardwicks credit he moved him back when it looked like we were going to lose by 200 points. It we lost by under a goal, this decision and conceeding 4 early goals at the start of the game would have cost us the win and further more cemented the idea that Hardwick has no idea how to coach when our Plan A doesn't get up and running..
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Rance in the middle sounded good in theory . I applaud Hardwick for trying something different .
Sure it didn't work today - but when you are 2-4 , it's almost last roll of the dice time
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I liked it when they turned it over and colonwood kicked into their 50 where two of their players tossed a coin for who would mark it because there was NOBODY ELSE in the arc
That was cool.
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At least he tried something.............. :thumbsup
yeah, moving the AA key back
wonderful
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Still needs to go post season, the alarming thing is Peggy Sue has said that we aren't looking for a replacement
Forever middling , never change Tiges never change
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I liked it when they turned it over and colonwood kicked into their 50 where two of their players tossed a coin for who would mark it because there was NOBODY ELSE in the arc
That was cool.
With a 3rd player running past as well, before our lone player had any backup.
5 minutes later the Pies had it 70 out and De Goey was 25 metres out all by himself but they didn't get it to him.
Hardwick isn't the coach for us, but yesterday showed that the list isn't that rotten, like the media have made out.
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If we miraculously beat Port this week, should we start a "Sack Hinkley" thread for the Port fans in our "View from the Outer" forum?
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If we miraculously beat Port this week, should we start a "Sack Hinkley" thread for the Port fans in our "View from the Outer" forum?
If we miraculously beat Port this week Hinkley will've still won three more finals in two and a bit seasons than Hardwick has in five and a bit seasons.
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If we miraculously beat Port this week, should we start a "Sack Hinkley" thread for the Port fans in our "View from the Outer" forum?
Nope Hinkley is non RFC and therefore can do no wrong
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We won in spite of Hardwick not because of him.
Imagine Ross Lyon carrying on with the players on the field after a win like that as if they'd just made the GF. He'd probably be having a crack at the defenders for allowing Witts to take an uncontested mark for that last goal.
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Apparently hardwit didn't realise they had won until an assistant told him.
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If we miraculously beat Port this week, should we start a "Sack Hinkley" thread for the Port fans in our "View from the Outer" forum?
this is why the club has been poo for forty odd years, mate
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ah, its all your fault y&bb. stop putting such posts on the internet and we will win the premiership!
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ah, its all your fault y&bb. stop putting such posts on the internet and we will win the premiership!
no the specific post but content with mediocrity philosophy in general
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is there something we need to smoke or pills to pop to glean that from his post?
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is there something we need to smoke or pills to pop to glean that from his post?
na just keep on buying ya membership and be a good boy
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damn, wasnt planning on doing either
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We won in spite of Hardwick not because of him.
Imagine Ross Lyon carrying on with the players on the field after a win like that as if they'd just made the GF. He'd probably be having a crack at the defenders for allowing Witts to take an uncontested mark for that last goal.
Agree. The decision not to start Rance on Cloke almost cost us the game.
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We won in spite of Hardwick not because of him.
Imagine Ross Lyon carrying on with the players on the field after a win like that as if they'd just made the GF. He'd probably be having a crack at the defenders for allowing Witts to take an uncontested mark for that last goal.
Agree. The decision not to start Rance on Cloke almost cost us the game.
Such a bad coach
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We won in spite of Hardwick not because of him.
Imagine Ross Lyon carrying on with the players on the field after a win like that as if they'd just made the GF. He'd probably be having a crack at the defenders for allowing Witts to take an uncontested mark for that last goal.
Agree. The decision not to start Rance on Cloke almost cost us the game.
I heard he wanted to start morris on cloke but got talked out of it
Such a bad coach
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ah, its all your fault y&bb. stop putting such posts on the internet and we will win the premiership!
no the specific post but content with mediocrity philosophy in general
Mate, if you can't tell when someone is so obviously taking the pee, then there is no hope for you.
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ah, its all your fault y&bb. stop putting such posts on the internet and we will win the premiership!
no the specific post but content with mediocrity philosophy in general
Mate, if you can't tell when someone is so obviously taking the pee, then there is no hope for you.
Poe's law, named after its author Nathan Poe,[1] is a literary adage which stipulates that, without a clear indicator of an author's intention, it is often impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of such extremism.[2] Someone will likely mistake the parody for a genuine article, or vice-versa.[3]
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We won in spite of Hardwick not because of him.
Imagine Ross Lyon carrying on with the players on the field after a win like that as if they'd just made the GF. He'd probably be having a crack at the defenders for allowing Witts to take an uncontested mark for that last goal.
Agree. The decision not to start Rance on Cloke almost cost us the game.
Such a bad coach
dont play the aa CHB on the best forward
dont kick the ball to jack
kick to the pockets not the middle
grigg as a tagger
Lloyd as the tall forward
dont play kids for years
etc, etc,
:-X
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Sack the bum
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Sack the bum
We were just waiting for the go ahead from you Chucky! ;D
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ah, its all your fault y&bb. stop putting such posts on the internet and we will win the premiership!
no the specific post but content with mediocrity philosophy in general
Mate, if you can't tell when someone is so obviously taking the pee, then there is no hope for you.
Does that mean you were baiting?
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ah, its all your fault y&bb. stop putting such posts on the internet and we will win the premiership!
no the specific post but content with mediocrity philosophy in general
Mate, if you can't tell when someone is so obviously taking the pee, then there is no hope for you.
Does that mean you were baiting?
Not by its strict definition. It was "just for the laffs" as they say in the classics! :snidegrin
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;D
BTW who else enjoyed seeing Reiwoldt, Rance, Maric and some actual midfielder play at the centre bounce?
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Just saw the great man on the news....
"Look, we're a better team than we've been showing and so are Port....."
Such a poo talker. :thumbsdown
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Hurricane Hardwick spinning out of control
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ah, its all your fault y&bb. stop putting such posts on the internet and we will win the premiership!
no the specific post but content with mediocrity philosophy in general
Mate, if you can't tell when someone is so obviously taking the pee, then there is no hope for you.
Poe's law, named after its author Nathan Poe,[1] is a literary adage which stipulates that, without a clear indicator of an author's intention, it is often impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of such extremism.[2] Someone will likely mistake the parody for a genuine article, or vice-versa.[3]
I reckon that's the law that '65 applies when he reads the Age. ;D
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Great posting, all the usual suspects getting riled up.
Stiffy is playing you guys and all we see is heads exploding all over the joint.
Keep it coming, the comedy value is brilliant.
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Nah the head exploding is generally consistent and nothing new.
All that is seen, however, is one win convincing the more gullible supporters to have the courage and mental security to post on forums like this, under the illusion that all is now good with the club.
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Nah the head exploding is generally consistent and nothing new.
All that is seen, however, is one win convincing the more gullible supporters to have the courage and mental security to post on forums like this, under the illusion that all is now good with the club.
easy satisfactions
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Get Worsfold and sack this hack
It's really that simple. We will honour his contract by giving him $600,000 for doing nothing next year but he shouldn't be coach
Lyon wouldn't step foot near this place. Does anyone seriously believe this is an option?? LMAO
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Nah the head exploding is generally consistent and nothing new.
All that is seen, however, is one win convincing the more gullible supporters to have the courage and mental security to post on forums like this, under the illusion that all is now good with the club.
Nothing has changed in 30 odd years and yet you are still buttering up after all these years. There's an air of intellectual superiority in your recent posting which is most unsavoury :bow
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Get Worsfold and sack this hack
It's really that simple. We will honour his contract by giving him $600,000 for doing nothing next year but he shouldn't be coach
Lyon wouldn't step foot near this place. Does anyone seriously believe this is an option?? LMAO
hed go to saint kilda but not here? ::)
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Lyon has already been here once. I suppose it would depend on his memories and experiences of the place back then, although it is a completely different training environment nowadays.
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Get Worsfold and sack this hack
It's really that simple. We will honour his contract by giving him $600,000 for doing nothing next year but he shouldn't be coach
Lyon wouldn't step foot near this place. Does anyone seriously believe this is an option?? LMAO
hed go to saint kilda but not here? ::)
Back when Blight was the messiah of coaches, he knocked us back multiple times but went to stkilda.
Just sayin...
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Get Worsfold and sack this hack
It's really that simple. We will honour his contract by giving him $600,000 for doing nothing next year but he shouldn't be coach
Like it or not, agree or disagree he isn't going to be sacked mid-season
It is how it is
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Get Worsfold and sack this hack
It's really that simple. We will honour his contract by giving him $600,000 for doing nothing next year but he shouldn't be coach
Like it or not, agree or disagree he isn't going to be sacked mid-season
It is how it is
I thought the penny had dropped last week by playing 4 guys with 2 games experience between them but after our best and easily our most enjoyable win of the year he drops two of those guys. He is a pig IMO and I cannot wait to see the back of him.
We also have another guy in the twos that has been in the best players for 4 weeks in a row an yet he cannot crack it for a game with a bloke like Batch butchering the few touches he does get. NFI!
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Uncalled for
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That's what we do here, we get personal.
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stuff off idiots.
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Get Worsfold and sack this hack
It's really that simple. We will honour his contract by giving him $600,000 for doing nothing next year but he shouldn't be coach
Like it or not, agree or disagree he isn't going to be sacked mid-season
It is how it is
Got a bit of mail on a post season sacking there WP ? :shh
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stuff off idiots.
:lol
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Get Worsfold and sack this hack
It's really that simple. We will honour his contract by giving him $600,000 for doing nothing next year but he shouldn't be coach
Like it or not, agree or disagree he isn't going to be sacked mid-season
It is how it is
Well thats remains to be seen and you have been proven wrong before. If bums dont start getting on seats and carlton style thrashings start appearing then you will be proven wrong.
I personally hope the blues sack mick now so this spud will start to feel the heat that he deserves.
he is so much like frawley in every way and he will leave in exactly the same fashion.
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Well thats remains to be seen and you have been proven wrong before. If bums dont start getting on seats and carlton style thrashings start appearing then you will be proven wrong.
I personally hope the blues sack mick now so this spud will start to feel the heat that he deserves.
Ouch :lol
Are you actually hoping our season mirrors Carlton's? That's really sad if you do want that
Anyways...
Even if our season turned that pear shaped he won't be sacked mid season. I know that disappoints you no end but that's the way it is.
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So many "supporters" have become so accustomed to failure it's the only enjoyment they get out of the footy. Any signs of becoming a decent side and they want to go back into being a basket case because they can't handle the expectation and hope of winning a game.
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So many "supporters" have become so accustomed to failure it's the only enjoyment they get out of the footy. Any signs of becoming a decent side and they want to go back into being a basket case because they can't handle the expectation and hope of winning a game.
That's right.
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Quick lets lock him away, another 5 year contract extension :shh
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So many "supporters" have become so accustomed to failure it's the only enjoyment they get out of the footy. Any signs of becoming a decent side and they want to go back into being a basket case because they can't handle the expectation and hope of winning a game.
Agree only worthy of our pity
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I agree, his tenure should be celebrated now he has the club back to 4 and 4.
It's the 9th of win loss ratios!! :thumbsup
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The cattle makes a coach. A coach can only work with what he's got at his disposal. Our workrate, intensity and pressure over our last 7 quarters is miles away from the putrid soft bruise free footy crap we dished up in the first 6.25 weeks.
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Im gonna start a petition to save the coach and the board :snidegrin
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Actually out coached Hinkley. Hinkley had no plan B.
Could it be possible that Hardwick is learning the caper and improving as a coach?
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Hinkley looked like such a dumb poo in the box with a blank expression on his face
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Petition to save Hardwick from the noisy minority is on its way ;D
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Actually out coached Hinkley. Hinkley had no plan B.
Could it be possible that Hardwick is learning the caper and improving as a coach?
No Y and B, no chance at all. :lol
Seriously though, fire and brimstone coaches like Hinkley are easily worked out.
But good on Dimma today all the same.
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Petition to save Hardwick from the noisy minority is on its way ;D
Good on you ramps, still posting strong :thumbsup
I feel as though you are loving the win but still sticking by your convictions.
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Coached well today.
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Petition to save Hardwick from the noisy minority is on its way ;D
Good on you ramps, still posting strong :thumbsup
I feel as though you are loving the win but still sticking by your convictions.
It was an outstanding effort in my opinion. Not pretty to watch but hard tough footy. I give credit where its due, tonight I cant knock anybody who played. They were terrific throughout and the third quarter where Port had the ball and played the game in our defensive half, that defensive effort from the whole team not just the defenders was just fantastic. Great Win :clapping
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Petition to save Hardwick from the noisy minority is on its way ;D
Good on you ramps, still posting strong :thumbsup
I feel as though you are loving the win but still sticking by your convictions.
It was an outstanding effort in my opinion. Not pretty to watch but hard tough footy. I give credit where its due, tonight I cant knock anybody who played. They were terrific throughout and the third quarter where Port had the ball and played the game in our defensive half, that defensive effort from the whole team not just the defenders was just fantastic. Great Win :clapping
Good on you!
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Petition to save Hardwick from the noisy minority is on its way ;D
Good on you ramps, still posting strong :thumbsup
I feel as though you are loving the win but still sticking by your convictions.
It was an outstanding effort in my opinion. Not pretty to watch but hard tough footy. I give credit where its due, tonight I cant knock anybody who played. They were terrific throughout and the third quarter where Port had the ball and played the game in our defensive half, that defensive effort from the whole team not just the defenders was just fantastic. Great Win :clapping
On ya Ramps!! :clapping :clapping
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Petition to save Hardwick from the noisy minority is on its way ;D
Good on you ramps, still posting strong :thumbsup
I feel as though you are loving the win but still sticking by your convictions.
It was an outstanding effort in my opinion. Not pretty to watch but hard tough footy. I give credit where its due, tonight I cant knock anybody who played. They were terrific throughout and the third quarter where Port had the ball and played the game in our defensive half, that defensive effort from the whole team not just the defenders was just fantastic. Great Win :clapping
On ya Ramps!! :clapping :clapping
See this week we can be one big happy online tiger family. :snidegrin
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Credit where it's due, well coached.
By jingoes though, Port look horrid. The players are flat and seemingly disinterested.
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Credit where it's due, well coached.
By jingoes though, Port look horrid. The players are flat and seemingly disinterested.
Kind of indicates it wasn't a absolutely amazing win. Just a solid good win
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Credit where it's due, well coached.
By jingoes though, Port look horrid. The players are flat and seemingly disinterested.
l reckon Port played very hard. It just our guys played harder & refused to let them play their game. We hurt them today in the body & the scoreboard. ;D
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Wrapped, let's see how we go in th ace game
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Credit where it was due. Nailed a game style to beat Port and players did it perfectly.
I still think Hardwick needs to get better tho. Hearing him hooked up to TV was interesting. From a match day point of view it's very calm which has its positives but looks like there isn't much happening. The players were on today which makes things a lot easier. It's when the players are off and Hardwick is needed to do something to get the team over the line which is still a concern.
Wonderful win though was great to end the weekend this way. Port very different team. Kane Cornes soft as butter quitter.
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I'm glad they came through for you
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Credit where it was due. Nailed a game style to beat Port and players did it perfectly.
I still think Hardwick needs to get better tho. Hearing him hooked up to TV was interesting. From a match day point of view it's very calm which has its positives but looks like there isn't much happening. The players were on today which makes things a lot easier. It's when the players are off and Hardwick is needed to do something to get the team over the line which is still a concern.
Wonderful win though was great to end the weekend this way. Port very different team. Kane Cornes soft as butter quitter.
like hinkley did today?
there is fa a coach can do once the game starts if the players are not "on"
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Wonderful win though was great to end the weekend this way. Port very different team. Kane Cornes soft as butter quitter.
Thought cornes was almost the top port player, keeping cotch quiet and getting it a lot himself
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Credit where it was due. Nailed a game style to beat Port and players did it perfectly.
I still think Hardwick needs to get better tho. Hearing him hooked up to TV was interesting. From a match day point of view it's very calm which has its positives but looks like there isn't much happening. The players were on today which makes things a lot easier. It's when the players are off and Hardwick is needed to do something to get the team over the line which is still a concern.
Wonderful win though was great to end the weekend this way. Port very different team. Kane Cornes soft as butter quitter.
like hinkley did today?
there is fa a coach can do once the game starts if the players are not "on"
How dare you flip that Al
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Quick lets lock him away, another 5 year contract extension :shh
just wait till he brings Newman back next week
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Quick lets lock him away, another 5 year contract extension :shh
just wait till he brings Newman back next week
Maybe Newy will replace Dimma as coach :shh
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Mike: The main knock hardwick receives is his coaching. Your thoughts ? He has an uncanny knack in lifting his players after a bad patch, why is that do you think?
Mark Robinson: Have written several times this year I believe Hardwick is a good coach. I can't answer why he lifts the team after a bad patch... If I had a guess I'd say he coniinues ot be positive with his team and that confidence is rewarded... Leadership from the players is also important.
http://www.news.com.au/national/kane-cornes-captains-knocks-and-booing-a-champ-highlight-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes/story-e6frfkp9-1227367782149
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Credit where it was due. Nailed a game style to beat Port and players did it perfectly.
I still think Hardwick needs to get better tho. Hearing him hooked up to TV was interesting. From a match day point of view it's very calm which has its positives but looks like there isn't much happening. The players were on today which makes things a lot easier. It's when the players are off and Hardwick is needed to do something to get the team over the line which is still a concern.
Wonderful win though was great to end the weekend this way. Port very different team. Kane Cornes soft as butter quitter.
like hinkley did today?
there is fa a coach can do once the game starts if the players are not "on"
How dare you flip that Al
Here's the facts that still haven't changed - Hinkley 3rd year coach, 3 winning finals, within a kick of a GF v Hardwick 6th year coach who's done stuff all. Flip that, flip floppers.
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Credit where it was due. Nailed a game style to beat Port and players did it perfectly.
I still think Hardwick needs to get better tho. Hearing him hooked up to TV was interesting. From a match day point of view it's very calm which has its positives but looks like there isn't much happening. The players were on today which makes things a lot easier. It's when the players are off and Hardwick is needed to do something to get the team over the line which is still a concern.
Wonderful win though was great to end the weekend this way. Port very different team. Kane Cornes soft as butter quitter.
like hinkley did today?
there is fa a coach can do once the game starts if the players are not "on"
How dare you flip that Al
Here's the facts that still haven't changed - Hinkley 3rd year coach, 3 winning finals, within a kick of a GF v Hardwick 6th year coach who's done stuff all. Flip that, flip floppers.
For the sake of fairness to all it is fair to say that Hardwick started with bugger all in terms of a player list. "Worst list since Fitzroy" is what the journos were saying of RFC when Hardwick first started.
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Jeez Ramps, surprised you trotted out the old "worst since Fitzroy" line.....normally the preserve of the apologist crowd....won 6 games and would've won a 7th from 10 goals down but for a tiggy touchwood decision that disallowed the Troy Taylor goal, didn't even finish last....complete myth that the list was the "worst since Fitzroy"....
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Regardless of the Fitzroy comment compare the lists each coach inherited, RFC's was a disaster
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So our 2010 list was so much worse than Port's 2013 list that even after a three-year head start we've only played two finals and lost badly in both - including one to them and the other to a team that finished ninth - while they've played five finals, won three, lost two and come within a kick of a GF?
Sorry chucky, but after five and a third seasons, some of us require more than just a two week sample size before we start performing backflips.
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Regardless of the Fitzroy comment compare the lists each coach inherited, RFC's was a disaster
port were on the verge of closing the club ::)
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Credit where it was due. Nailed a game style to beat Port and players did it perfectly.
I still think Hardwick needs to get better tho. Hearing him hooked up to TV was interesting. From a match day point of view it's very calm which has its positives but looks like there isn't much happening. The players were on today which makes things a lot easier. It's when the players are off and Hardwick is needed to do something to get the team over the line which is still a concern.
He started with a much better list than Wallace did. Should we have given Wallace another 5 year extension?
Wonderful win though was great to end the weekend this way. Port very different team. Kane Cornes soft as butter quitter.
like hinkley did today?
there is fa a coach can do once the game starts if the players are not "on"
How dare you flip that Al
Here's the facts that still haven't changed - Hinkley 3rd year coach, 3 winning finals, within a kick of a GF v Hardwick 6th year coach who's done stuff all. Flip that, flip floppers.
For the sake of fairness to all it is fair to say that Hardwick started with bugger all in terms of a player list. "Worst list since Fitzroy" is what the journos were saying of RFC when Hardwick first started.
Hardwick inherited a much bettter list than Wallace inherited from Frawley. Should we have given Wallace a 5 year extension?
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Credit where it was due. Nailed a game style to beat Port and players did it perfectly.
I still think Hardwick needs to get better tho. Hearing him hooked up to TV was interesting. From a match day point of view it's very calm which has its positives but looks like there isn't much happening. The players were on today which makes things a lot easier. It's when the players are off and Hardwick is needed to do something to get the team over the line which is still a concern.
He started with a much better list than Wallace did. Should we have given Wallace another 5 year extension?
Wonderful win though was great to end the weekend this way. Port very different team. Kane Cornes soft as butter quitter.
like hinkley did today?
there is fa a coach can do once the game starts if the players are not "on"
How dare you flip that Al
Here's the facts that still haven't changed - Hinkley 3rd year coach, 3 winning finals, within a kick of a GF v Hardwick 6th year coach who's done stuff all. Flip that, flip floppers.
For the sake of fairness to all it is fair to say that Hardwick started with bugger all in terms of a player list. "Worst list since Fitzroy" is what the journos were saying of RFC when Hardwick first started.
Hardwick inherited a much bettter list than Wallace inherited from Frawley. Should we have given Wallace a 5 year extension?
I think it was a better list but not by much. What Hardwick did though is turn the list over a lot more than Wallace did in the five years he was there. Wallace relied on the first draft (2004) and then didn't turn it over much after that.
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Credit where it was due. Nailed a game style to beat Port and players did it perfectly.
I still think Hardwick needs to get better tho. Hearing him hooked up to TV was interesting. From a match day point of view it's very calm which has its positives but looks like there isn't much happening. The players were on today which makes things a lot easier. It's when the players are off and Hardwick is needed to do something to get the team over the line which is still a concern.
He started with a much better list than Wallace did. Should we have given Wallace another 5 year extension?
Wonderful win though was great to end the weekend this way. Port very different team. Kane Cornes soft as butter quitter.
like hinkley did today?
there is fa a coach can do once the game starts if the players are not "on"
How dare you flip that Al
Here's the facts that still haven't changed - Hinkley 3rd year coach, 3 winning finals, within a kick of a GF v Hardwick 6th year coach who's done stuff all. Flip that, flip floppers.
For the sake of fairness to all it is fair to say that Hardwick started with bugger all in terms of a player list. "Worst list since Fitzroy" is what the journos were saying of RFC when Hardwick first started.
Hardwick inherited a much bettter list than Wallace inherited from Frawley. Should we have given Wallace a 5 year extension?
yep
shambles those days
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Jeez Ramps, surprised you trotted out the old "worst since Fitzroy" line.....normally the preserve of the apologist crowd....won 6 games and would've won a 7th from 10 goals down but for a tiggy touchwood decision that disallowed the Troy Taylor goal, didn't even finish last....complete myth that the list was the "worst since Fitzroy"....
I just quoted what journos were saying
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Jeez Ramps, surprised you trotted out the old "worst since Fitzroy" line.....normally the preserve of the apologist crowd....won 6 games and would've won a 7th from 10 goals down but for a tiggy touchwood decision that disallowed the Troy Taylor goal, didn't even finish last....complete myth that the list was the "worst since Fitzroy"....
I just quoted what journos were saying
what were they saving bout port couple years ago?
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Jeez Ramps, surprised you trotted out the old "worst since Fitzroy" line.....normally the preserve of the apologist crowd....won 6 games and would've won a 7th from 10 goals down but for a tiggy touchwood decision that disallowed the Troy Taylor goal, didn't even finish last....complete myth that the list was the "worst since Fitzroy"....
I just quoted what journos were saying
what were they saving bout port couple years ago?
Well last year and the start of this year they were saying they were going to contend for the flag
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hinkley never had to had to strip the list back the way hardwick did in his first few years.
a fair comparison is about from hardwicks 3rd year on
no doubt we have stagnated over the last few years.
have port improved this year, stagnated or gone backwards?
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We might of finally witnessed his plan B, albeit 5 years in the making.
..... So where is his plan C?
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:lol
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Can't believe this thread isn't still pumping along, surely everyone knows that the only reason where winning is Malthouse is available
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that's absolutely spot on Chucky. Absolutely right :snidegrin
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Hardwick and FJ still need to be moved on
Few great wins doesn't hide the fact we have been embarrassed in the only 2 finals under his watch
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Hardwick and FJ still need to be moved on
Few great wins doesn't hide the fact we have been embarrassed in the only 2 finals under his watch
mediocrity
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Hardwick and FJ still need to be moved on
Few great wins doesn't hide the fact we have been embarrassed in the only 2 finals under his watch
OH PLEASE ......and replace Hardwick with who - unless you think we can get Ross - forget it.
Mick worked out so well for Carlton .
Another untried coach ?
Do we live a fairy tale and welcome Matty Knights home ?
Give us some names Angus ?
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Hardwick and FJ still need to be moved on
Few great wins doesn't hide the fact we have been embarrassed in the only 2 finals under his watch
OH PLEASE ......and replace Hardwick with who - unless you think we can get Ross - forget it.
Mick worked out so well for Carlton .
Another untried coach ?
Do we live a fairy tale and welcome Matty Knights home ?
Give us some names Angus ?
why did freo sack harvey?
who is top of the ladder ?
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If he brings back Newman straight away he should resign on the spot and the club should be investigated for tanking.
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14 wins from last 18 starts, he s going along alright just quietly :clapping
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14 wins from last 18 starts, he s going along alright just quietly :clapping
3-10 before that no ?
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14 wins from last 18 starts, he s going along alright just quietly :clapping
3-10 before that no ?
You're ruining his reasoning Bents! ;D
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Peggy says NO
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Still more than half :shh
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Last 3 weeks prove that Richmond is a team that is playing for their coach.
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14 wins from last 18 starts, he s going along alright just quietly :clapping
3-10 before that no ?
We played well in 1995 before that, no?
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Last 3 weeks prove that Richmond is a team that is playing for their coach.
Or that RFC needs a fit/firing Deledio to be competitive
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2013s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarrassing early exit in finals
2014s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarassing early exit in finals
2015 so far is 50/50.
Earlier seasons were worse but don't let the full story get in the way of
yours.
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14 wins from last 18 starts, he s going along alright just quietly :clapping
3-10 before that no ?
What part of the last 18 games don't you understand ::)
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2013s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarrassing early exit in finals
2014s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarassing early exit in finals
2015 so far is 50/50.
Earlier seasons were worse but don't let the full story get in the way of
yours.
Umm
2013 15-7
2014. 12-10
2015 5-4
Now I'm not trying to make you look silly pal, but that ain't 50% whatever way you wanna look at it :shh
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2013s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarrassing early exit in finals
2014s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarassing early exit in finals
2015 so far is 50/50.
Earlier seasons were worse but don't let the full story get in the way of
yours.
Umm
2013 15-7
2014. 12-10
2015 5-4
Now I'm not trying to make you look silly pal, but that ain't 50% whatever way you wanna look at it :shh
Club Games (W–L–D)
2010– Richmond 121 (56-63-2)
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2013s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarrassing early exit in finals
2014s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarassing early exit in finals
2015 so far is 50/50.
Earlier seasons were worse but don't let the full story get in the way of
yours.
Umm
2013 15-7
2014. 12-10
2015 5-4
Now I'm not trying to make you look silly pal, but that ain't 50% whatever way you wanna look at it :shh
Club Games (W–L–D)
2010– Richmond 121 (56-63-2)
Considering he was 14 wins from his first 44 games he's done pretty well then
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Won 56 % of home and away matches since 2012
Or 60% of matches since 2013 ....not including finals debacles .
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Im getting dangerously close to pulling out my linear plot graph
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Are we still sacking him or not.. :snidegrin
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Are we still sacking him or not.. :snidegrin
Reckon he is safe for another week ;D
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gee you could manufacture any graph to suit any arguement
These are the facts. He is in year 6 of a contract. Let him play out the year and then if it goes to plan as the previous 2 then send him on his way.
Anyone who thinks newman, foley, Hampson and that Francis hackson bloke deserve to remain on the payroll need to be moved on.
I never said Lyon or knights. My wish would be woosha with a rossy lyon offer using our money instead of spending it on themselves.
His young enough and knows how to win.
Failing that i like Dew
Question to those who dont agree? How many more years do we persist with him if we just crape into the finals again? Whats fair here?
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Loser(s) :snidegrin
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Are we still sacking him or not.. :snidegrin
Reckon he is safe for another week ;D
;)
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2013s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarrassing early exit in finals
2014s win loss ratio was basically 50/50 and an embarassing early exit in finals
2015 so far is 50/50.
Earlier seasons were worse but don't let the full story get in the way of
yours.
Umm
2013 15-7
2014. 12-10
2015 5-4
Now I'm not trying to make you look silly pal, but that ain't 50% whatever way you wanna look at it :shh
Club Games (W–L–D)
2010– Richmond 121 (56-63-2)
I thought brackets highlighted the period from 2013-2015 , take a peak :shh
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Dew is just Hardwick- seven years ago.
Woosha is off to Carlton or nowhere
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Mangy old Mick is our man
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Sheeds
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I hope we put on a good show for our new coach this Friday :clapping
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Dew is just Hardwick- seven years ago.
Woosha is off to Carlton or nowhere
Do you or I actually know this re: Dew
Woosha has ruled himself out of the blues job so let's aim high and you never know. Like I said offer a massive offer and then who knows
now back to my question
How much longer is this guy the right man to lead this club at the end of this year provided we end up in the same spot as last year
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Bring back krusty KB
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Still think he needs to win us a final this year for his tenure to be considered any kind of success
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Are we still sacking him or not.. :snidegrin
not yet :P
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Still think he needs to win us a final this year for his tenure to be considered any kind of success
He'd actually need to win a grand final.
This talk of a finals appearance being a pass mark is merely lowered expectation due to acceptance of the Ineptness of the coach.
Wake up.
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In the last 12 months we have heard the coach, CEO and president say in one form or another that we need to win a final
It's not the right way to go about it
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They aspire to elimination finals. Period.
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Still think he needs to win us a final this year for his tenure to be considered any kind of success
He'd actually need to win a grand final.
This talk of a finals appearance being a pass mark is merely lowered expectation due to acceptance of the Ineptness of the coach.
Wake up.
Needs to win three grand finals, anything less is accepting mediocrity
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Still think he needs to win us a final this year for his tenure to be considered any kind of success
He'd actually need to win a grand final.
This talk of a finals appearance being a pass mark is merely lowered expectation due to acceptance of the Ineptness of the coach.
Wake up.
Needs to win three grand finals, anything less is accepting mediocrity
Incorrect. We need to win 4.
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Win a final is such a cop out. At the end of this year he needs to look like a coach that will go on and win us a GF the next year. Unlike his last 2 seasons. If not, move him on.
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Still think he needs to win us a final this year for his tenure to be considered any kind of success
He'd actually need to win a grand final.
This talk of a finals appearance being a pass mark is merely lowered expectation due to acceptance of the Ineptness of the coach.
Wake up.
Needs to win three grand finals, anything less is accepting mediocrity
Incorrect. We need to win 4.
And get through undefeated.
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Personally, I want to win six in a row.
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Personally, I want to win six in a row.
Games or GFs
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Personally, I want to win six in a row.
Games or GFs
Quarters
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Personally, I want to win six in a row.
Games or GFs
Quarters
That's a good little milestone along the way to a top 8 berth
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Still think he needs to win us a final this year for his tenure to be considered any kind of success
i think a few might be unzipping the pants too early
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Four wins in a row ain't enough to stop this thread, c'mon guys start posting
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Sack the bum, we were up by 49 points before half time, therefore we should've won by 98 points at least. If we miss top spot by percentage it will be on Hardwick's head.
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personally i would prefer if he stfu in regards to public comments of FA, list building, rebuilding etc. until he wins a flag
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Write him a letter
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Outcoaching Hinkley this year.... :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
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The guy's an idiot.
Water and people find their own level
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The guy's an idiot.
Water and people find their own level
Class always rises to the top, no surprises that a side that wins from 15 from last 20 might find themselves in the 8 ::)
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September already is it Bo?
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The guy's an idiot.
Water and people find their own level
Class always rises to the top, no surprises that a side that wins from 15 from last 20 might find themselves in the 8 ::)
:fishing
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again;
deledio, cotchin, martin, jack etc.
are good
hence he should be winning
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anyone with etc on the list should be winning if if they are half a coach
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anyone with etc on the list should be winning if if they are half a coach
:lol
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anyone with etc on the list should be winning if if they are half a coach
Thought he was talking about Todd Elton has was dyslexic
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anyone with etc on the list should be winning if if they are half a coach
rance. s edwaeds. miles. vlatusin. maric
8th :whistle
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yeah, but about etc?
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We lost
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Hardwick outcoached
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Etc etc
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Sack the bum
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Back to his brilliant best. :rollin
He should have been sacked a long time ago.
After next week we are out of the 8 if not after Sunday. Yep improving for sure.
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Back to his brilliant best. :rollin
He should have been sacked a long time ago.
After next week we are out of the 8 if not after Sunday. Yep improving for sure.
I don't blame the coach tonight, Rance aside, our leaders didn't give him anything all of them should be ashamed of themselves. You don't reach a standard over the last 4 weeks and bring that sort of useless effort after you've supposedly freshened up.
These blokes need to take responsibility for an insipid display and for not excercising leadership thoughtout the game. They didn't stand up when the coach needed & they gave him nothing all night.
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Back to his brilliant best. :rollin
He should have been sacked a long time ago.
After next week we are out of the 8 if not after Sunday. Yep improving for sure.
I don't blame the coach tonight, Rance aside, our leaders didn't give him anything all of them should be ashamed of themselves. You don't reach a standard over the last 4 weeks and bring that sort of useless effort after you've supposedly freshened up.
These blokes need to take responsibility for an insipid display and for not excercising leadership thoughtout the game. They didn't stand up when the coach needed & they gave him nothing all night.
Agree Tigeritis -spot on
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I knew we were in trouble when I heard DH say that Grigg was an INSIDE MID twice on MMM before the game. WTF!
Did anyone else hear that?
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You don't blame the coach? Of course it's him and the rest of his so called coaches and on field leaders.
Who wants to work for a bloke like hardwick? After 5 years they are still mentally weak and as the leader he should take responsibility.
Not hardwicks fault that we don't have a small forward or didn't attempt to draft one? Morris? Come on
Nearly 6 years on and they still get stage fright and fragile when the spotlights on them . Poor things
Dump his sorry arse come seasons end and send him back to Essendon.
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Nearly 6 years on and they still get stage fright and fragile when the spotlights on them . Poor things
So that's Dimma's fault?
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Yes. Yes it is.
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Yes. Yes it is.
Fyckin oath it is.
He's full of crap
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Blame Dimma for all sorts of things but if you think it's his fault that our players poo themselves then gee wiz
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
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Nearly 6 years on and they still get stage fright and fragile when the spotlights on them . Poor things
So that's Dimma's fault?
You recruit men like Rance, Dusty etc not these fgts who we have who whip out the 4 walls party line every 5 seconds after a loss
After 6 years we are still in that 7-11 bracket and have less assistant coaches than when we started? Awesome.
Answer me why there were 4 tackles inside our F50? His a spud and doesn't demand that kind of intensity.
His message is boring like most accountants, and we are only in the 8 because of blokes like rance and dusty not by any of his efforts
enough is enough after nearly 6 yrs. we will never be able to entice a rossy Lyon to our club but that's exactly what we need, as these blokes need a rocket up their arse not a soft hug like dimwit gives him
Yeah lads it's a blip no harm done should be good next week. Who we got?
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
Id like someone to answer this question if they disagree and explain why.
I wait with bated breath.
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
Id like someone to answer this question if they disagree and explain why.
I wait with bated breath.
It's a fair question, I'd add all team poot themselves - we beat one on their own dirt 2 weeks ago. It's how often they do it which matters.
The response next week is the collective responsibility of players and coaching staff with Dimma the chief
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Yesterday we lost because we weren't hard enough at the contest, we didn't want to run hard enough and the eagles strangled us going forward, they had better forwards and the black guy gave them good advantage out of the middle and around the packs. we lost we should just move on to next week.
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Outcoached ...
refuses to tell midfield to work hard both ways ...
plays defensive football from the first minute ...
another loss to a team that only kicked 13 goals ...
doesn't play the attacking way ...
doesn't know what game plan to play ...
very disappointing loss as Hardwick feared West Coast's midfield instead of taking them on ...
played a 3 or 4 man forward line 70% of game time ...
knows Maric is horrible and keeps playing him ...
refuses to play Vickery in the ruck ...
negative football ...
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:lol
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Yesterday we lost because we weren't hard enough at the contest, we didn't want to run hard enough and the eagles strangled us going forward, they had better forwards and the black guy gave them good advantage out of the middle and around the packs. we lost we should just move on to next week.
How convenient. Let's not talk about it everybody and just move on.
Must be nice as a coach to have zero accountability.
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theres a difference between talking about it and carrying on like a bunch of veruka salts.
sometimes the best thing is to just move on.
no team will ever win every game they play, yet it seems that it is expected of Richmond. If we loose by a small margin we are mentally week, if we lose by a larger margin we are poo.
no one likes losing, but it happens in sport and whining like spoilt little princesses doesnt change it, which is mostly what we get.
Actual discussion of what went wrong and perhaps why is largely replaced by blame and finger pointing, and stinky nappies
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theres a difference between talking about it and carrying on like a bunch of veruka salts.
sometimes the best thing is to just move on.
no team will ever win every game they play, yet it seems that it is expected of Richmond. If we loose by a small margin we are mentally week, if we lose by a larger margin we are poo.
no one likes losing, but it happens in sport and whining like spoilt little princesses doesnt change it, which is mostly what we get.
Actual discussion of what went wrong and perhaps why is largely replaced by blame and finger pointing, and stinky nappies
Yeah you can't win them all but in the context of the clubs season, harwicks tenure and the broader cultural history I dont think its unreasonable to discuss why we lost a game we were favourite to win and never felt like we were in it.
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but as i said, there's not too much rational discussion, but more whiney blaming and finger pointing.
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
With something like this I don't think there's much Dimma can do. He can try his hardest but if they're too soft to handle the pressure then that is their own fault. You can't change much between the ears IMO.
Could our 'character testing' at combines kicked us in the butt? Too many nice guys that are soft as butter? To me that seems a more likely scenario and IIRC that was a Jackson/Hartley decision.
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theres a difference between talking about it and carrying on like a bunch of veruka salts.
sometimes the best thing is to just move on.
no team will ever win every game they play, yet it seems that it is expected of Richmond. If we loose by a small margin we are mentally week, if we lose by a larger margin we are poo.
no one likes losing, but it happens in sport and whining like spoilt little princesses doesnt change it, which is mostly what we get.
Actual discussion of what went wrong and perhaps why is largely replaced by blame and finger pointing, and stinky nappies
why even bother with a review :huh
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
With something like this I don't think there's much Dimma can do. He can try his hardest but if they're too soft to handle the pressure then that is their own fault. You can't change much between the ears IMO.
Could our 'character testing' at combines kicked us in the butt? Too many nice guys that are soft as butter? To me that seems a more likely scenario and IIRC that was a Jackson/Hartley decision.
I think a good coach should get a team to show more conistency and composure by now - f.e. I think Scott has the same issue at North world beaters one week, hacks the next--and they've actually won finals- but he won't take them to next level IMO.
You raise a good point about the recruiting and I hold Jackson and Hartley just as accountable. Funny how we threw those rules out the window for the drafting of Martin though because he was just too good to pass up( think we were expecting Melbourne to take him with one of their two picks) and he probably stands up more than most when we don't play well- perhaps a lesson that you just pick the best actual footballer available above all other concerns.
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
With something like this I don't think there's much Dimma can do. He can try his hardest but if they're too soft to handle the pressure then that is their own fault. You can't change much between the ears IMO.
Could our 'character testing' at combines kicked us in the butt? Too many nice guys that are soft as butter? To me that seems a more likely scenario and IIRC that was a Jackson/Hartley decision.
I think a good coach should get a team to show more conistency and composure by now
lets go back a step
what about a player on the god dam goal line during a set shot :huh :huh
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
With something like this I don't think there's much Dimma can do. He can try his hardest but if they're too soft to handle the pressure then that is their own fault. You can't change much between the ears IMO.
Could our 'character testing' at combines kicked us in the butt? Too many nice guys that are soft as butter? To me that seems a more likely scenario and IIRC that was a Jackson/Hartley decision.
I think a good coach should get a team to show more conistency and composure by now - f.e. I think Scott has the same issue at North world beaters one week, hacks the next--and they've actually won finals- but he won't take them to next level IMO.
You raise a good point about the recruiting and I hold Jackson and Hartley just as accountable. Funny how we threw those rules out the window for the drafting of Martin though because he was just too good to pass up( think we were expecting Melbourne to take him with one of their two picks) and he probably stands up more than most when we don't play well- perhaps a lesson that you just pick the best actual footballer available above all other concerns.
'uphill skier'
i was thinking watching that game how to hell did melbourne not draft nicnat
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
With something like this I don't think there's much Dimma can do. He can try his hardest but if they're too soft to handle the pressure then that is their own fault. You can't change much between the ears IMO.
Could our 'character testing' at combines kicked us in the butt? Too many nice guys that are soft as butter? To me that seems a more likely scenario and IIRC that was a Jackson/Hartley decision.
I think a good coach should get a team to show more conistency and composure by now
lets go back a step
what about a player on the god dam goal line during a set shot :huh :huh
Exactly Judge - basic errors that shouldn't still be happening six years in.....
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How much responsibility do the leaders on the ground take on these matters?
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How much responsibility do the leaders on the ground take on these matters?
yep its cotchins fault grigg is awful
rance fault chaplin moves like a large boat
:huh :huh
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do you have to be stoned to draw such stupid inane conclusions or does it just come natural for you, george?
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How much responsibility do the leaders on the ground take on these matters?
Some of it al yes but why aren't these things ingrained by now? Who trains and educates the players and lays down the minimum standards expected? Who comes up with the tactics and set ups and works through different scenarios during the week? After 6 years and 6 pre-seasons it can't still just be a case of the players forgetting to do things on the field or being too lazy or stupid and even if they are again you have to ask why this still hasn't been rectified after 121 matches under the same coach?
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You Hardwick soap reachers crack me up. Or, if I may be more accurate, does he crack you up?
Stuffing hilt of slow mindedness.
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lets go back a step
what about a player on the god dam goal line during a set shot :huh :huh
Exactly Judge - basic errors that shouldn't still be happening six years in.....
See, this irks me. Surely an experienced and well respected ruckman like Maric (who is also our vice-captain) doesn't need Dimma to send a runner to him every time they are kicking for goal and tell him to get on the goal line? Dimma can only do so much to ingrain this into players and if they are still relying on Dimma to tell them when to stand on the line then we have big big problems and all of them are bigger than Dimma
You Hardwick soap reachers crack me up. Or, if I may be more accurate, does he crack you up?
Stuffing hilt of slow mindedness.
Mmmm one could argue resorting to name calling is a characteristic of slow mindedness. Why don't you contribute to discussion instead of labeling people as "Hardwick soap reachers". God forbid someone doesn't blame Dimma for every little thing that goes wrong
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lets go back a step
what about a player on the god dam goal line during a set shot :huh :huh
Exactly Judge - basic errors that shouldn't still be happening six years in.....
See, this irks me. Surely an experienced and well respected ruckman like Maric (who is also our vice-captain) doesn't need Dimma to send a runner to him every time they are kicking for goal and tell him to get on the goal line? Dimma can only do so much to ingrain this into players and if they are still relying on Dimma to tell them when to stand on the line then we have big big problems and all of them are bigger than Dimma
For FFS this is taught to kids who play Aussie Rules by the age of 10
Anyone who thinks this is the coaches fault is just a hater who is going to grab at anything to hate
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
Id like someone to answer this question if they disagree and explain why.
I wait with bated breath.
Didn't think I would get a reply Doc. Would have thought that chuck fella would be able to produce a reply
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lets go back a step
what about a player on the god dam goal line during a set shot :huh :huh
Exactly Judge - basic errors that shouldn't still be happening six years in.....
See, this irks me. Surely an experienced and well respected ruckman like Maric (who is also our vice-captain) doesn't need Dimma to send a runner to him every time they are kicking for goal and tell him to get on the goal line? Dimma can only do so much to ingrain this into players and if they are still relying on Dimma to tell them when to stand on the line then we have big big problems and all of them are bigger than Dimma
For FFS this is taught to kids who play Aussie Rules by the age of 10
Anyone who thinks this is the coaches fault is just a hater who is going to grab at anything to hate
When we fail to turn up mentally, we have a habit as a team of making a number of these dumb schoolboy errors :help. We still don't understand the rushed behind rule for example :pullhair.
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You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?
Id like someone to answer this question if they disagree and explain why.
I wait with bated breath.
Didn't think I would get a reply Doc. Would have thought that chuck fella would be able to produce a reply
Ignoring the part where I replied this because it suits you or because you don't bother reading?
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I missed it, sorry
Read it now and to me that still reads he should take full responsibility
Hartley and Hackson have shown they are amateurs at their trade but dimwit keeps them on the payroll
We recruit introverts who bar a few play for themselves.
Do you not think after 6 years we should be well ahead of the buldogs and a rebuilding pies
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I missed it, sorry
Read it now and to me that still reads he should take full responsibility
Hartley and Hackson have shown they are amateurs at their trade but dimwit keeps them on the payroll
We recruit introverts who bar a few play for themselves.
Do you not think after 6 years we should be well ahead of the buldogs and a rebuilding pies
Yes I do and I think we probably are. Bulldogs are playing very well lately but lets see how they maintain it, it's only been half a season. If we had there effort and intensity we would be in the top 4 right now IMO.
I think we all agree what the issue is and where we need to approve, but we aren't going to agree on who is mostly responsible for it.
This doesn't mean Dimma isn't to blame for a lot of other things for example their loose backs killing us. Where was the structure change? The continuing return of Newman although it is a nice change to see him actually come back via the VFL. Shame he is showing nothing but will probably still come in
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How much responsibility do the leaders on the ground take on these matters?
Some of it al yes but why aren't these things ingrained by now? Who trains and educates the players and lays down the minimum standards expected? Who comes up with the tactics and set ups and works through different scenarios during the week? After 6 years and 6 pre-seasons it can't still just be a case of the players forgetting to do things on the field or being too lazy or stupid and even if they are again you have to ask why this still hasn't been rectified after 121 matches under the same coach?
fair questions too. I'm not trying to absolve Hardwick of responsibility, but the players themselves, in particular the leaders, also shoulder the burden.
Although I'm suspecting that some will always think that only he takes full responsibility and the players themselves are absolved of any responsibility of their own performances
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:scared :scared
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:lol :lol
Got them to pull there heads out
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One trick pony
Ra ra ra
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Heard this guys spray at 3QT. Was bloody good and you could absolutely see the players fire up.
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:huh
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Nothing to do with Hardwick mate. Players clearly set up shop
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Nothing to do with Hardwick mate. Players clearly set up shop
Yep agree. Totally between the ears on field not in the box and no one should suggest otherwise
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Our team stopped playing. Not hardwicks fault. The side performed excellently for 3 quarters, the game was won so they decided to clock off early. A disappointing final quarter.
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Sack him anyway
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Who drafts, coaches, selects the players for last six years
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Who drafts, coaches, selects the players for last six years
Who is about to take Richmond to its 3rd consecutive finals campaign?
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Alex rance
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Alex rance
:lol :shh :clapping
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Who drafts, coaches, selects the players for last six years
Who is about to take Richmond to its 3rd consecutive finals campaign?
Third unsuccessful finals campaign?
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Not this year :thumbsup
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Half the teams make the finals almost ::)
Nothing to write home to grandma about
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Nothing to do with Hardwick mate. Players clearly set up shop
nothing to do with him. Nothing at all.
FFS wake up his message is weak as pee it seems to me. That quarter was a disgrace.
to walk away with 4 points and not care about anything else works every now and then, but thats 3 weeks in a row we should have dismantled our opposition and didnt.
He should be smashing heads in there, but instead his probably writing newmans next contract.
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they had st kilda on toast at three quarter time. Is it really down to the coach to say anything to the players to come out and finish the job? what does that say about them if they do?
i have severe doubts his message was job done relax now boys.
they are grown men and need to take responsibility for their themselves
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Almost got rolled by reigning wooden spooners ..
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yeah? didnt know that.
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I hated our last quarter but we were never in serious doubt of losing. We tightened up once they got within three goals.
Still a pathetic effort given how important percentage could be.
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I hated our last quarter but we were never in serious doubt of losing. We tightened up once they got within three goals.
Still a pathetic effort given how important percentage could be.
Should have tightened up after they kicked their 3rd or 4th in a row.
But that's obviously too clever
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I hated our last quarter but we were never in serious doubt of losing. We tightened up once they got within three goals.
Still a pathetic effort given how important percentage could be.
Should have tightened up after they kicked their 3rd or 4th in a row.
But that's obviously too clever
Agreed.
It was poohouse. Never really thought we'd lose though.
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I think someone summed it in another thread but this team seems to play according to their opposition. So in other words if we need a three quarter effort to beat a lowly team then thats all we do, the win is good enough. If we come up against a top 4 side then knowing the effort required then we suddenly manage to sustain the effort across four quarters. The problem with this is you cant continue to turn effort on and off like a tap and i feel its this issue which has led to our abysmal final efforts in the last couple of years. We need to be ruthless with all teams before we can be considered an all round better team under Hardwick. Think its the old "between the ears" issue but i guess they just don't know how to fix it.
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Alex rance
Also shut up shop
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Has now beaten and out coached Lyon, Longmire and Clarkson. :shh
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Has now beaten and out coached Lyon, Longmire and Clarkson. :shh
sack the bum :shh
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great win again last night, outcoached the supercoach, a really great effort from Damien hardwick and his team. This bloke could do for us what Sheedy did for Essendon, he has turned us around from a basketcase, we are maybe 3 players short of winning the whole thing. :clapping
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great win again last night, outcoached the supercoach, a really great effort from Damien hardwick and his team. This bloke could do for us what Sheedy did for Essendon, he has turned us around from a basketcase, we are maybe 3 players short of winning the whole thing. :clapping
So a big off season and we are well and truly in it next year? :shh
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Six year
Still look like headless chooks against any half decent press
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Out coached tonight no doubt.
Players were pathetic
We don't score enough
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Lost at the selection table tonight. Never looked like it right from the start
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Lost at the selection table tonight. Never looked like it right from the start
Yep, 2 rucks never work, unless 1 is genuine threat inside 50. Somehow it did vs Hawks.
Showed our depth is still pretty weak. Hampson and Lloyd aren't great. Grimes going down exposed a fair bit down back. We covered Edwards vs Hawks with serious endeavour but tonight couldn't cover him and Lids missing. With Ty and Jack off the pace we had nothing. Rance was down as was Cotch it seemed. Not many winners left except for Dusty who was solid.
Move on to next week. Big 4 weeks. Must win next 3 and rest the entire squad for a dead rubber vs Roos.
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Out coached tonight no doubt.
Players were pathetic
We don't score enough
Hello anyone there
Wake up. It's been the case for years now. Who is the forward coach again??
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Horrible!
Don't like having 3-4 forwards Hardwick!
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His press conferences would be much shorter if he didn't repeat the same response 3 times for each question. Nuff nuff
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needs to find some more goals in the team. I agree in trying to keep teams to say 60-70 per game but we ourselves need to be able to click up 100 points from time to time and consistently hit 80-90 points per game.
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He might have the odd flash of tactical inspiration but ultimately he's not going to lead us to a premiership - club needs to realise this sooner rather than later.
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So how come the side which came 14th, and lost 800 games experience is better than us
FFirst year coach too
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So how come the side which came 14th, and lost 800 games experience is better than us
FFirst year coach too
Doggies??
They are hungry and want it more
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Ruthless to get the number one draft pick key forward :clapping
Too
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Dog's coach has no qualms about sending players back to the 2nds if they are not doing as he wants, even if their form is actually OK. It sends a powerful, but fair message and everyone knows where they stand. No passengers on the doggie train.
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Dog's coach has no qualms about sending players back to the 2nds if they are not doing as he wants, even if their form is actually OK. It sends a powerful, but fair message and everyone knows where they stand. No passengers on the doggie train.
And that too, well said
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Peggy says hello boys but not this week. :lol
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Congrats to Bean , winner of the VFL goal kicking award :clapping
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Dog's coach has no qualms about sending players back to the 2nds if they are not doing as he wants, even if their form is actually OK. It sends a powerful, but fair message and everyone knows where they stand. No passengers on the doggie train.
Hardwick does this as well, providing you've been on the list less than 5 years :lol
Seriously tho, I'd like to see if he is holding the line in 2-3 years time - particularly if he's job is on the line
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sack the bum if we bow out of the finals in week one
there is actually no more excuses he can bore us with should this happen.
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he isn't getting sacked. if we lose in week 1 it will just mean we aren't good enough yet and that we need better players.
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he isn't getting sacked. if we lose in week 1 it will just mean we aren't good enough yet and that we need better players.
So we can play them in the twos to accommodate dimmed plodder mates
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Let's see if dikhed has learnt that finals are a different cat and one actually must "coach" all day.
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Another year of limping into 8th with a heap of list blockers
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limping into the 8 ? We're 5th place with a great percentage. have won by 70+ points 2 out of 3 last games and beaten every top 4 side bar west coast. that aint limping mate.
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limping into the 8 ? We're 5th place with a great percentage. have won by 70+ points 2 out of 3 last games and beaten every top 4 side bar west coast. that aint limping mate.
Facts are facts
Struggle big time vs 5-8th sides
Keeping losing to like of Melbourne
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If Dimma was pointing to the facts he could quite rightly state he is the most successful Richmond coach since Tom Hafey and by a long way as well.
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If Dimma was pointing to the facts he could quite rightly state he is the most successful Richmond coach since Tom Hafey and by a long way as well.
If you define success as limping into 8th with list blocking plodders
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Again how are we limping ? we lost to melbourne at the start of the season in bad form. we turned it around and it is now the end of the season.. limping would be losing games and hanging on to 8th spot by percentage.
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limping into the 8 ? We're 5th place with a great percentage. have won by 70+ points 2 out of 3 last games and beaten every top 4 side bar west coast. that aint limping mate.
Facts are facts
Struggle big time vs 5-8th sides
Keeping losing to like of Melbourne
lost to those sides at the start of the year when we were struggling with form......
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limping into the 8 ? We're 5th place with a great percentage. have won by 70+ points 2 out of 3 last games and beaten every top 4 side bar west coast. that aint limping mate.
Facts are facts
Struggle big time vs 5-8th sides
Keeping losing to like of Melbourne
Hmmmm
But have beaten 3 of the top 4
We sit comfortably inside the 8
He won't be sacked, and nor should he be
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While I'm not Dimmas biggest fan you can't be too critical of this season unless we get smashed in week 1 of the finals.
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limping into the 8 ? We're 5th place with a great percentage. have won by 70+ points 2 out of 3 last games and beaten every top 4 side bar west coast. that aint limping mate.
Facts are facts
Struggle big time vs 5-8th sides
Keeping losing to like of Melbourne
Hmmmm
But have beaten 3 of the top 4
We sit comfortably inside the 8
He won't be sacked, and nor should he be
we match up well vs. Freo, Hawthorn, Sydney
WCE have us covered, i fear.
If we lose the elimination final by 10 goals - how many years should hardwick be re-contracted for?
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limping into the 8 ? We're 5th place with a great percentage. have won by 70+ points 2 out of 3 last games and beaten every top 4 side bar west coast. that aint limping mate.
Facts are facts
Struggle big time vs 5-8th sides
Keeping losing to like of Melbourne
Hmmmm
But have beaten 3 of the top 4
We sit comfortably inside the 8
He won't be sacked, and nor should he be
you must enjoy accepting mediocrity then?
Win a final minimun or he deserves to be sacked IMO or at the very least no further contract extension until Grand final 2016.
He hasnt performed to date and 6 years without a finals win is a mediocre performance in my eyes.
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If we lose the elimination final by 10 goals - how many years should hardwick be re-contracted for?
Re-contracted?
He doesn't need to be re-contracted as he has a contract for next year
Finals wise - win or lose he shouldn't be given a contract extension IMVHO
He won't be sacked, and nor should he be
you must enjoy accepting mediocrity then?
Win a final minimun or he deserves to be sacked IMO or at the very least no further contract extension until Grand final 2016.
He hasnt performed to date and 6 years without a finals win is a mediocre performance in my eyes.
Arghhh the old "accepting mediocrity" chestnut
Not once did I mention a contract extension.
My view on that is very clear, win or lose during the finals he shouldn't be given a contract extension. Even if we were to win the bloody flag I wouldn't extend his contract but that's just me. There is no need for it when he has 12 months to go
All I've said is he wont be sacked and based on getting us to 3 finals in a row and how we are now playing (majority of the time) he shouldn't be sacked. That's go nothing to do with "accepting mediocrity" as you put it; all it is looking at where the club sits right now
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im talking after the finals if we dont win one, not before.
His position is virtually untenable should we lose a first final.
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We've come a long way as a football club. instead of sacking coaches who kept us at the bottom of the ladder we now want to sack coaches who take us to consecutive finals series. ;D
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Arghhh the old "accepting mediocrity" chestnut
People love bringing that up don't they? Becoming worse than some of Dimmas repetitive spin
Arghhh the old "accepting mediocrity" chestnut
Not once did I mention a contract extension.
My view on that is very clear, win or lose during the finals he shouldn't be given a contract extension. Even if we were to win the bloody flag I wouldn't extend his contract but that's just me. There is no need for it when he has 12 months to go
All I've said is he wont be sacked and based on getting us to 3 finals in a row and how we are now playing (majority of the time) he shouldn't be sacked. That's go nothing to do with "accepting mediocrity" as you put it; all it is looking at where the club sits right now
:clapping Common sense prevails
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Freo fired Harvey
Almost payed off big time
Still may
I'd offer Paul Roos big money :shh
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Freo fired Harvey
Almost payed off big time
Still may
I'd offer Paul Roos big money :shh
come on mate lets be serious
i would rather my 95 yr old nonna put on the boots and coach the lads.
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Freo fired Harvey
Almost payed off big time
Still may
I'd offer Paul Roos big money :shh
come on mate lets be serious
i would rather my 95 yr old nonna put on the boots and coach the lads.
Roos director o footy
Clarkson senior coach :shh
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It ain't going to happen mate. Roos is a flog if you ask me
Have lost a lot of respect for him since he took the dees job
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Dimma has finally leveled his win/loss record as coach after taking over a team and list at the start of 2010 that was rated as being "worse than Fitzroy".
W-L-D
2010: 6-16-0
2011: 8-13-1
2012: 10-11-1
2013: 15-8-0
2014: 12-11-0
2015: 15-7-0
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Total: 66-66-2 (50%)
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/Damien_Hardwick.html
If we win next week, then 2015 will become Dimma's best winning return as coach.
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Won 24 of the past 33 H&A games - that's a winning record of 72 % . Well done Dimma.
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
Not quite. 3 straight finals appearances is pretty impressive from where we were a few years ago. If we lose in another EF though then there will be a lot of pressure next year to prove he can win a final.
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
Not quite. 3 straight finals appearances is pretty impressive from where we were a few years ago. If we lose in another EF though then there will be a lot of pressure next year to prove he can win a final.
Give me a spell
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
Not quite. 3 straight finals appearances is pretty impressive from where we were a few years ago. If we lose in another EF though then there will be a lot of pressure next year to prove he can win a final.
Give me a spell
What's wrong with that statement. What do you think will happen?
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Don't be surprised to see an extension shortly. ;D
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Don't be surprised to see an extension shortly. ;D
this is absolutely right + 2 years :thumbsup
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
Not quite. 3 straight finals appearances is pretty impressive from where we were a few years ago. If we lose in another EF though then there will be a lot of pressure next year to prove he can win a final.
2 elimination final losses 2013 and 2014 and there's not a lot of pressure in 2015?
Bat poo crazy talk.
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Don't be surprised to see an extension shortly. ;D
Bad call if they do that IMHO
No need for it right now
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Don't be surprised to see an extension shortly. ;D
Bad call if they do that IMHO
No need for it right now
I been told they will extend him by 2 years. He will get 2016-2018 contract.
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
Not quite. 3 straight finals appearances is pretty impressive from where we were a few years ago. If we lose in another EF though then there will be a lot of pressure next year to prove he can win a final.
2 elimination final losses 2013 and 2014 and there's not a lot of pressure in 2015?
Bat poo crazy talk.
There's pressure no doubt. Not the kind of pressure that would have this game be career defining for him if we lose. Some on here might not think making finals in 3 consecutive years is "success" (and fair enough we all want to win a flag) but you can't argue that Dimma has led us through our most successful period in a very long time. I'm not entirely sure he's the man to take us forward from here but he deserves to continue on next year regardless of the result next week.
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The club realizes that Dimma took over when the expansion clubs took all the best picks so they have cut him more slack than they normally would.
I think a coach is only as good as their personnel. If we go down to a very mature North, it won't be because of Dimma. He plans meticulously and is loved by the players. The club has identified we need more talent and that is why they are chasing Treloar, Yarran and anybody else they think can improve us.
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If we do lose, he would have to be looked at. Just like Eade was at Sydney and Wallace at the Dogs etc...... its not just good enough to make the finals. We have to win one and he may only have the goods to get us there.
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The club realizes that Dimma took over when the expansion clubs took all the best picks so they have cut him more slack than they normally would.
I think a coach is only as good as their personnel. If we go down to a very mature North, it won't be because of Dimma. He plans meticulously and is loved by the players. The club has identified we need more talent and that is why they are chasing Treloar, Yarran and anybody else they think can improve us.
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Does anyone really think our list is good enough to win a flag? I think we're doing pretty well with what I consider to be a middling list.
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
Not quite. 3 straight finals appearances is pretty impressive from where we were a few years ago. If we lose in another EF though then there will be a lot of pressure next year to prove he can win a final.
Give me a spell
What's wrong with that statement. What do you think will happen?
Plenty. 3 finals is not impressive if you end up losing all 3.
after getting embarrassed in the last 2 years, this has to be our first finals win no ifs buts or maybes. We have virtually no injuries to speak and a home final to boot.
Season is a write off like the last 2 if we lose
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
Not quite. 3 straight finals appearances is pretty impressive from where we were a few years ago. If we lose in another EF though then there will be a lot of pressure next year to prove he can win a final.
Give me a spell
What's wrong with that statement. What do you think will happen?
Plenty. 3 finals is not impressive if you end up losing all 3.
after getting embarrassed in the last 2 years, this has to be our first finals win no ifs buts or maybes. We have virtually no injuries to speak and a home final to boot.
Season is a write off like the last 2 if we lose
How are the last 2 seasons a write off? You don't just win a premiership out of nowhere. You build a winning culture on and off the field. This is a gradual process. I can assure you that teams who win a premiership wouldn't call the years that preceded it a write off.
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
Not quite. 3 straight finals appearances is pretty impressive from where we were a few years ago. If we lose in another EF though then there will be a lot of pressure next year to prove he can win a final.
Give me a spell
What's wrong with that statement. What do you think will happen?
Plenty. 3 finals is not impressive if you end up losing all 3.
after getting embarrassed in the last 2 years, this has to be our first finals win no ifs buts or maybes. We have virtually no injuries to speak and a home final to boot.
Season is a write off like the last 2 if we lose
How are the last 2 seasons a write off? You don't just win a premiership out of nowhere. You build a winning culture on and off the field. This is a gradual process. I can assure you that teams who win a premiership wouldn't call the years that preceded it a write off.
Over how many years is your "gradual process" because this is our third year and the likes of Deledio are not getting any younger...
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The club realizes that Dimma took over when the expansion clubs took all the best picks so they have cut him more slack than they normally would.
I think a coach is only as good as their personnel. If we go down to a very mature North, it won't be because of Dimma. He plans meticulously and is loved by the players. The club has identified we need more talent and that is why they are chasing Treloar, Yarran and anybody else they think can improve us.
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Does anyone really think our list is good enough to win a flag? I think we're doing pretty well with what I consider to be a middling list.
I do
We have shown on a number of occasions this season that our best is good enough. We have a fit playing list, all our top Enders are fit and firing, it's not an exact science and you can't pick and choose when your time has come, we should be seriously targeting a flag now
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The club realizes that Dimma took over when the expansion clubs took all the best picks so they have cut him more slack than they normally would.
I think a coach is only as good as their personnel. If we go down to a very mature North, it won't be because of Dimma. He plans meticulously and is loved by the players. The club has identified we need more talent and that is why they are chasing Treloar, Yarran and anybody else they think can improve us.
X 2
Does anyone really think our list is good enough to win a flag? I think we're doing pretty well with what I consider to be a middling list.
I do
We have shown on a number of occasions this season that our best is good enough. We have a fit playing list, all our top Enders are fit and firing, it's not an exact science and you can't pick and choose when your time has come, we should be seriously targeting a flag now
+1
You can't seriously hope to field 22 guns as the only possible chance to push a flag. It's about squeezing the most out of average players. Malthouse at Collingwood and Longmire have done a great job of this. Hawks have probably been the exception of this who have combined great coaching with exemplary recruiting and development.
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Would it be fair to say next weeks elim final is career defining?
Not quite. 3 straight finals appearances is pretty impressive from where we were a few years ago. If we lose in another EF though then there will be a lot of pressure next year to prove he can win a final.
Give me a spell
What's wrong with that statement. What do you think will happen?
Plenty. 3 finals is not impressive if you end up losing all 3.
after getting embarrassed in the last 2 years, this has to be our first finals win no ifs buts or maybes. We have virtually no injuries to speak and a home final to boot.
Season is a write off like the last 2 if we lose
How are the last 2 seasons a write off? You don't just win a premiership out of nowhere. You build a winning culture on and off the field. This is a gradual process. I can assure you that teams who win a premiership wouldn't call the years that preceded it a write off.
Okay. I don't remember saying flag or bust, but after 3 yrs is it too much to expect us to be aiming higher which means a better finals showing, esp after what they have dished up in the last 2 campaigns.
I standby what I said. If we are not capable of progressing with a September finals win we haven't moved forward
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yeah, of course we will still be in the same position we were when hardwick took over.
fair dinkum whose been handing out the stupid pills today?
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And lets say we sack Hardwick - who do people propose we bring in that will be any better?
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And lets say we sack Hardwick - who do people propose we bring in that will be any better?
I'm sure someone will suggest Clarkson.... :whistle
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And lets say we sack Hardwick - who do people propose we bring in that will be any better?
only 1 man for the job pal
Sheedy :birthday
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yeah, of course we will still be in the same position we were when hardwick took over.
fair dinkum whose been handing out the stupid pills today?
You would have lined up a few times today!!!
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i did, but unfortunately you were in the line before me and there was none left by the time it came to my turn
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i did, but unfortunately you were in the line before me and there was none left by the time it came to my turn
Oh I'm sure you got your fair share, even if you did revive the trial ones.. :snidegrin
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And lets say we sack Hardwick - who do people propose we bring in that will be any better?
only 1 man for the job pal
Sheedy :birthday
You have to be kidding me
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Clarkson or Ross Lyon for me
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yeah, of course we will still be in the same position we were when hardwick took over.
fair dinkum whose been handing out the stupid pills today?
Hang on a sec Albert I have never said we haven't improved since hardwick took over. Any one of us clowns can see that.
What I am seeing is another finals loss, and it's clear he is not the man to take us over..If you can't get the players up for a loss after the last 2 yrs you don't deserve an extension, and next year should be his last.
It's only my opinion some think he deserves another contract despite a possible loss Sunday. I don't.
Capisce?
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stagnate
staɡˈneɪt,ˈstaɡneɪt/
verb
gerund or present participle: stagnating
(of water or air) cease to flow or move; become stagnant.
synonyms: stop flowing, become stagnant, become trapped; More
cease developing; become inactive or dull.
"teaching can easily stagnate into a set of routines"
synonyms: become stagnant, do nothing, stand still, be sluggish, lie dormant, be inert, languish, decline, deteriorate, fall
"imports rose while exports stagnated"
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I still think we should have made a play for Woosha, said it years ago and I will stand by that.
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I still think we should have made a play for Woosha, said it years ago and I will stand by that.
Yeh he can bring his lab coat with him. :lol
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rumors clarkson is over hawks and wants a new project :shh
*could be i just made it up
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yeah, of course we will still be in the same position we were when hardwick took over.
fair dinkum whose been handing out the stupid pills today?
Hang on a sec Albert I have never said we haven't improved since hardwick took over. Any one of us clowns can see that.
What I am seeing is another finals loss, and it's clear he is not the man to take us over..If you can't get the players up for a loss after the last 2 yrs you don't deserve an extension, and next year should be his last.
It's only my opinion some think he deserves another contract despite a possible loss Sunday. I don't.
Capisce?
Woah who has said he deserves an extension?
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How much pressure is your AFL coach under?
Jon Pierik
The Age
September 9, 2015
While it's a fine achievement to have made the AFL finals, expectations, more often than not, don't stop there. For at least six of the finalists, more which needs to be achieved. Which coach do you think is under the most pressure?
Damien Hardwick
Club: Richmond
Finals series: 3
Best result: Elimination finals, 2013-14
What we say: The Tigers have just about everything in fine fettle off the field - membership and attendances are booming, with a growing number of women signing up, strong sponsorship, and stable leadership. The missing piece is on-field success, the Tigers having failed to win a final since 2001 when Danny Frawley was coach. The Tigers have been patient with Hardwick, realising a full rebuild of the playing list had been necessary when he took over in 2010 - but that honeymoon period is well and truly up. Crunched in their past two elimination finals, Hardwick knows he needs to win a final this season to at least earn a pass mark. In Alex Rance and Jack Riewoldt, the Tigers have two of the best bookends, Brett Deledio has become elite while skipper Trent Cotchin and Dustin Martin are stars in the middle. Hardwick is contracted until the end of next season. An early exit will spark questions over whether he is the right man to take this side to the next level. Said Hardwick: "The new season starts now. We look forward to taking this game head on."
Pressure valve: Red alert
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-finals-2015-how-much-pressure-is-your-afl-coach-under-20150907-gjgvs9.html
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I still think we should have made a play for Woosha, said it years ago and I will stand by that.
Whilst I don't disagree that Woosha is a good coach I think we have done the right thing by sticking with Hardwick till now.
He has brought this group to where we're at now, fail this week as a change must be made!
I doubt any other coach out there could have got more out of this group up until now.
We lose this week heads have got to roll because this team is on the cusp of somthing special, it's onward and upward from here!!
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Yep you would know better than anyone. ;D
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Yep you would know better than anyone. ;D
Wow Donny, do we have an issue here?
Just reading back through the majority of the crap you have posted over the time I'd say I'd have a better idea than you just quietly.
Feel free to keep your personal opinions of me to yourself next time, I might end up catching the same bout of Key board rage as you seem to have.
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I'd just like to remind people freo were a finals teams and SACKED Harvey for Lyon cause they have balls an were RUTHLESS
they Got very close to a flag
They may still finish with a couple
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This idiot is a stuffn disgrace
Yeah let's give him another contract
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He cant do anything when blokes like Chaplin think that they can run past nahas from the defensive goalscore kick in. We killed ourselves today. The only thing Hardwick is at fault for is bringing in Griffiths who was complete crap.
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Not sure if he can take us any further after seeing the game today...
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Chaplin is a stuffn moron.
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Not sure if he can take us any further after seeing the game today...
that's a serious question. the issue is who could we bring in that's any better?
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Not sure if he can take us any further after seeing the game today...
that's a serious question. the issue is who could we bring in that's any better?
I called for Woosha a year ago, now its too late. :banghead
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Your dillusional Ramps get off the frog mate
His the coach and had hand picked these stupid idiots. His the coach who hand picked Conca and Griffiths
Sack the stupid boring fk
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We lost not because we played Griffiths and Conca who when he came on wasn't too bad - even though he cost us a goal. We lost because they are better than us and have players who know how to take opportunities at clutch moments. Players like Harvey even Waite did a number on us again. They have some very good players North. They deserved there win today. They beat us up in contested possession, the inside 50s in the 3rd quarter were unbelievably bad for us, anyway I know people are disappointed but we aren't good enough. That's the truth.
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Let's keep him and go for a fourth straight year of exiting
Finals in the fourth week.
Nobody can't say that isn't what he does...
Ive had it with his rubbish.
GTFO of there. Dimmer.
How can unsay he has nothing to do with north being better than us?
He built the team and they play his ideas.
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Ramps get off your knees mate and wake the stuff up
He built this list of pretenders and deserves to fall on his sword just like Harvey.
Can't believe you would play Griffiths and Conca and you think they played well??
Did you watch Conca at all giving up those goals to north?
Hardwick the worst coach in the league.
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we all better get used to him because I heard 2 weeks ago or so that they will extend him by 2 years to take in 2016, 2017 and 2018.
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U better get used to continue being poo then champ
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U better get used to continue being poo then champ
we are just supporters Daniel ... we don't make the decisions.
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stuff the club. Most disgraceful club in the league.
Il stick to my AFL membership. They can shove their club one up their date
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Ramps get off your knees mate and wake the stuff up
He built this list of pretenders and deserves to fall on his sword just like Harvey.
Can't believe you would play Griffiths and Conca and you think they played well??
Did you watch Conca at all giving up those goals to north?
Hardwick the worst coach in the league.
Conca.
What a stuffn joke.
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Well it's time the members actualy had the chance to make some desions!!
Today was pathetic and it started at Thursday's selection table!
Heads must role and they must role this week!!!
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Ramps get off your knees mate and wake the stuff up
He built this list of pretenders and deserves to fall on his sword just like Harvey.
Can't believe you would play Griffiths and Conca and you think they played well??
Did you watch Conca at all giving up those goals to north?
Hardwick the worst coach in the league.
Griff was rubbish. Conca was slightly better. I would have preferred to see both Lennon and Lloyd play.
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You could sense Leigh Mathews frustration with Hardwick's intention....once again....to leave our forwards to contend with a loose man while we gather useless possessions elsewhere that can easily be defended by modern zones. I'm no longer a member so today's loss is irrelevant to me but you blokes had better get ready for some massive pain in the coming years as several sides willing to rebuild, rather than tread water, zoom straight past you. The RFC is all marketing and no substance, dont waste your money or time on them. Spend time with family and friends.
And for the koolaid drinking 'Yeahright':....I told you so......
My last post..........
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Did you see Conca? I'm serious did you?
15 metre kicks going resulting in north goals. Who picked him up again at pick 6?
poo club that we are
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You could sense Leigh Mathews frustration with Hardwick's intention....once again....to leave our forwards to contend with a loose man while we gather useless possessions elsewhere that can easily be defended by modern zones. I'm no longer a member so today's loss is irrelevant to me but you blokes had better get ready for some massive pain in the coming years as several sides willing to rebuild, rather than tread water, zoom straight past you. The RFC is all marketing and no substance, dont waste your money or time on them. Spend time with family and friends.
And for the koolaid drinking 'Yeahright':....I told you so......
My last post..........
your entitled to an opinion even if your not a member IMHO.
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I backed Hardwick but has to go now. Won't take us further.
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If there is a suitable replacement I'm for change. Hardwick can coach, chumps don't take a basket case to the finals in 3 straight years but with zip to show for it he clearly doesn't have what it takes to get to the next step. The list is in good shape and we aren't fare from a flag so some aspiring assistant coach probably isn't a good fit. Apart from that there is only Bomber. Malthouse clearly is past developing a list but is he still a decent match day coach?
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bachelor should not play on massive guys every game
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Peggy says NO.
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Stupid bimbo. As soon as the club let a woman inside the 4 walls we were always behind the 8 ball
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Well we know he is on his last chance. If we don't win a final in 2016 he is gone.
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bachelor should not play on massive guys every game
Dead right :snidegrin
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Your on the same pills as ramps. Hardwick is finished. There should be no second chance for this spud
You can make as many excuses as you want but the selections was a disgrace and should not see him get an extension
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Must make a big play for Woosha...we wont and Hardwick will stay and we will miss out again.
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Exactly. They punted and lost big time. They have to be sacked. Conca CANNOT KICK. Griffith has NFI. The selectors would be better playing in the sand pits of a primary school. They have NFI. Playing AFL football qualifies them for nothing.
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Have a been a Hardwick fan
Gotta go
Leaving the loose down back and playing Griffiths was a disgrace
Shut the door Dimma
No flag for you boy
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Have a been a Hardwick fan
Gotta go
Leaving the loose down back and playing Griffiths was a disgrace
Shut the door Dimma
No flag for you boy
Every time we never man up Hansen and he chops us up.
Football suicide against this mob.
Selections today were so so wrong.
Smacked of desperation and we got horribly exposed again.
Unless we buy big in trade and draft we will be talking the same crap this time next year.
Frankly I don't want to.
We talked about it 2013/14 and this year.
Sick of it, especially if we do nothing on field with our personnel. :-\
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Have a been a Hardwick fan
Gotta go
Leaving the loose down back and playing Griffiths was a disgrace
Shut the door Dimma
No flag for you boy
Every time we never man up Hansen and he chops us up.
its been happening for years too
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Stupid bimbo. As soon as the club let a woman inside the 4 walls we were always behind the 8 ball
What a lovely comment, you must be proud.
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Your on the same pills as ramps. Hardwick is finished. There should be no second chance for this spud
You can make as many excuses as you want but the selections was a disgrace and should not see him get an extension
We don't make the decisions and I can tell you that from what I heard a couple of weeks ago Hardwick will get extended by 2 years. He was contracted for next year so we are stuck with him for the next 3 years. We may not like it but we have to live with it.
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Have a been a Hardwick fan
Gotta go
Leaving the loose down back and playing Griffiths was a disgrace
Shut the door Dimma
No flag for you boy
You have only been a fan when we are winning
Admit it
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Have a been a Hardwick fan
Gotta go
Leaving the loose down back and playing Griffiths was a disgrace
Shut the door Dimma
No flag for you boy
You have only been a fan when we are winning
Admit it
OMG! Welcome back Chucky. Thought something awful had happened to you. Good to see you are well. :clapping
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Pls stay Chuckster. :-*
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Have a been a Hardwick fan
Gotta go
Leaving the loose down back and playing Griffiths was a disgrace
Shut the door Dimma
No flag for you boy
You have only been a fan when we are winning
Admit it
Chuckster bro😀😀😀
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Chucks is right
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Needs to be given players with skill who can run. Bennell and FFS even Yarran would provide speed and run. We also need a tall KPD who can play. Get Carlisle. Need another inside/outside mid. Get Aish. Need a ruck who can at least compete with Goldstein and Nic Nat. Get Kreuzer or Leuenberger.
In the end he is our general. He must be given the right weapons for war. Too many pop guns and water pistols in the side. We need heavy artillery to seriously compete for a flag..
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Needs to be given players with skill who can run. Bennell and FFS even Yarran would provide speed and run. We also need a tall KPD who can play. Get Carlisle. Need another inside/outside mid. Get Aish. Need a ruck who can at least compete with Goldstein and Nic Nat. Get Kreuzer or Leuenberger.
In the end he is our general. He must be given the right weapons for war. Too many pop guns and water pistols in the side. We need heavy artillery to seriously compete for a flag..
Agree with this. Need to move Chaplin on, he's had a good year but if blokes can't cut it in finals, then they aren't any use to us. So get Carlisle, another class mid and a quick small forward, someone for pressure and 1 or 2 goals a game. Easier said than done, but that's what we need.
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My last post.......... until my last post
Geeeez, didn't take you long. I know you'd miss me and come on here. :welcome.
Richmond must still take up a fair bit of your effort and time considering you wait around until something goes wrong and then come running back here. At least be a man about it.
Much love, Yeahright
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Needs to be given players with skill who can run. Bennell and FFS even Yarran would provide speed and run. We also need a tall KPD who can play. Get Carlisle. Need another inside/outside mid. Get Aish. Need a ruck who can at least compete with Goldstein and Nic Nat. Get Kreuzer or Leuenberger.
In the end he is our general. He must be given the right weapons for war. Too many pop guns and water pistols in the side. We need heavy artillery to seriously compete for a flag..
:snidegrin
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Have a been a Hardwick fan
Gotta go
Leaving the loose down back and playing Griffiths was a disgrace
Shut the door Dimma
No flag for you boy
You have only been a fan when we are winning
Admit it
Yes
As you get judged on performance
What's the problem with that ?
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Sam Edmund from the HUN on Gold this morning that Hardwick will be under enormous pressure next year
Have said many times he deserves to see out his current contract, although finals losses are terrible he has non the less got us to 3 consecutive finals campaigns. First bloke since Hafey so that is a small tick
But under no circumstances should there be an extension
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Sam Edmund from the HUN on Gold this morning that Hardwick will be under enormous pressure next year
Have said many times he deserves to see out his current contract, although finals losses are terrible he has non the less got us to 3 consecutive finals campaigns. First bloke since Hafey so that is a small tick
But under no circumstances should there be an extension
Exactly. No extensions until the team has had final(s) success. It's not as if another team will poach him with his current finals record.
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Sam Edmund from the HUN on Gold this morning that Hardwick will be under enormous pressure next year
Have said many times he deserves to see out his current contract, although finals losses are terrible he has non the less got us to 3 consecutive finals campaigns. First bloke since Hafey so that is a small tick
But under no circumstances should there be an extension
Exactly.
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Exactly. No extensions until the team has had final(s) success. It's not as if another team will poach him with his current finals record.
the Bumbling Bombers might :rollin
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As stupid that it's sounds
The Bummers have discussed his name ;)
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Sorry made a huge mistake playing 2unfit players in a final :banghead one hasn't played for 4 and the other for 6 weeks and changing the dynamics of the team in a final when Lennon and Lloyd was working well.
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Respect to Dimma for building up the list into a solid standard. No doubt 99 percent Richmond fans think he did a good job in first few years
Time to go but.
Well done of part a. Now need a Ross Lyon or horse type for part b
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If we let Hardwick see out another year because it is the honourable thing to do and we come up short again, then the list will be two years older than it is now when someone new takes over. I will admit that I don't know who is available or who the best person is, but it's time for a proven match day coach. Who? Stuffed if I know. Bomber? Woosha? Dare I say Malthouse? I can't put my finger on where the improvement next year will come from. Players? Maybe. It's no secret we are trying but unfortunately for us they just don't want to come here. We actually have a good list though. Sure there are some spots that could be upgraded but we are far from having gaping holes. There is depth. Two years of bailing out of finals in humiliating fashion did nothing for the third time around. North have towelled us up 2 times in one season doing exactly the same thing (they did in round 23 too but we just had a better team to combat it). What we are doing is clearly not working. No disrespect to Hardwick but surely it's time to thank him for his services and roll the dice.
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Honour would be to resign ...
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As stupid that it's sounds
The Bummers have discussed his name ;)
Yes they have and that's why our board have decided to extend his tenure. I believe it gonna be an extra 2 years although after yesterday it might just be 1 extra year.
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Apparently Paul Little flew in from Essendon with his druggie mates, using his corporate jet.
The big steal is on.
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that would be amazing :pray
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Scott Camporeale is someone who should get a job if Adelaide don't give him the job. Camporeale has done a great job and seems level headed. A wog too ...
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Apparently Paul Little flew in from Essendon with his druggie mates, using his corporate jet.
The big steal is on.
tell is more roger. would be interesting scenario. my understanding is that if they come for Hardwick and Hardwick did resign we will stick to our guns contractual wise and force essendon to cough up some compensation.
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Apparently Paul Little flew in from Essendon with his druggie mates, using his corporate jet.
The big steal is on.
tell is more roger. would be interesting scenario. my understanding is that if they come for Hardwick and Hardwick did resign we will stick to our guns contractual wise and force essendon to cough up some compensation.
first rounder :pray
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Apparently Paul Little flew in from Essendon with his druggie mates, using his corporate jet.
The big steal is on.
tell is more roger. would be interesting scenario. my understanding is that if they come for Hardwick and Hardwick did resign we will stick to our guns contractual wise and force essendon to cough up some compensation.
I was taking the pee, Hardwick is contracted and will see it out good bad or otherwise.
Then again stranger things have happened in football.
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Apparently Paul Little flew in from Essendon with his druggie mates, using his corporate jet.
The big steal is on.
tell is more roger. would be interesting scenario. my understanding is that if they come for Hardwick and Hardwick did resign we will stick to our guns contractual wise and force essendon to cough up some compensation.
I was taking the pee, Hardwick is contracted and will see it out good bad or otherwise.
Then again stranger things have happened in football.
you bastard :-\
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Essendon will definitely talk to Hardwick IMHO.
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reckon this sort of speculation might tempt the club to sign him up..if you look around there aint that much talent out there currently
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Essendon will definitely talk to Hardwick IMHO.
Will they appoint an interim coach for 12 months again so as to wait until his contract with us is complete?
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Scott Camporeale is someone who should get a job if Adelaide don't give him the job. Camporeale has done a great job and seems level headed. A wog too ...
You almost had me sold until you pointed out his fatal flaw
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I still think he is safe even during next year so long as he doesn't panic next year trying to save his career with crap same old same old selections.
Needs to brave and unearth kids or the club needs to help him at and address our needs from a kist management perspective.
2 Classy mids.
1 small forward.
1 KPP backman
1 mobile ruckman
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Scott Camporeale is someone who should get a job if Adelaide don't give him the job. Camporeale has done a great job and seems level headed. A wog too ...
You almost had me sold until you pointed out his fatal flaw
He's merely at the helm of what their dead coach set in place.
They play for Walsh not,campo.
Easiest gig in the comp.
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No sane individual would think twice about coaching essendon
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The first prerequisite for a coach is narcissism.
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The first prerequisite for a coach is narcissism.
We don't need or want Hird though!!! ;D
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Quote from Hardwick during his press conference.....
"He referred to West Coast's long run of finals losses between 1999 and 2004 – before making the Grand Final in 2005 and winning the premiership in 2006 – as a beacon of hope for the Tigers."
Does he realize that the coaches they had at the time of the loosing run (Malthouse/Judge) were replaced... It was Worsfold that took them to the G/F. Admittedly it still took Woosha a couple of seasons to get there, statements like that dont bear well for him.
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GET WOOSHA!!!!!
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Scott Camporeale is someone who should get a job if Adelaide don't give him the job. Camporeale has done a great job and seems level headed. A wog too ...
You almost had me sold until you pointed out his fatal flaw
And here I thought your problem would have been that he was a Carlton player :snidegrin
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Quote from Hardwick during his press conference.....
"He referred to West Coast's long run of finals losses between 1999 and 2004 – before making the Grand Final in 2005 and winning the premiership in 2006 – as a beacon of hope for the Tigers."
Does he realize that the coaches they had at the time of the loosing run (Malthouse/Judge) were replaced... It was Worsfold that took them to the G/F. Admittedly it still took Woosha a couple of seasons to get there, statements like that dont bear well for him.
Umm worsfold coached from 2002 - 2013
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Quote from Hardwick during his press conference.....
"He referred to West Coast's long run of finals losses between 1999 and 2004 – before making the Grand Final in 2005 and winning the premiership in 2006 – as a beacon of hope for the Tigers."
Does he realize that the coaches they had at the time of the loosing run (Malthouse/Judge) were replaced... It was Worsfold that took them to the G/F. Admittedly it still took Woosha a couple of seasons to get there, statements like that dont bear well for him.
Umm worsfold coached from 2002 - 2013
Thats right, the point i was making is the period Hardwick referred to 1999-2004.
1999-2001 it was Malthouse/Judge coaching but not winning finals. In 2002 Worsfold took over then in a few years had them in the grand final then winning it. Going by Hardwick's perspective we can look at taking on a new coach that will take us to the next step.
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Quote from Hardwick during his press conference.....
"He referred to West Coast's long run of finals losses between 1999 and 2004 – before making the Grand Final in 2005 and winning the premiership in 2006 – as a beacon of hope for the Tigers."
Does he realize that the coaches they had at the time of the loosing run (Malthouse/Judge) were replaced... It was Worsfold that took them to the G/F. Admittedly it still took Woosha a couple of seasons to get there, statements like that dont bear well for him.
It was Worsfold who took them to 3 losing elimination finals & 1 losing GF
Umm worsfold coached from 2002 - 2013
Thats right, the point i was making is the period Hardwick referred to 1999-2004.
1999-2001 it was Malthouse/Judge coaching but not winning finals. In 2002 Worsfold took over then in a few years had them in the grand final then winning it. Going by Hardwick's perspective we can look at taking on a new coach that will take us to the next step.
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/best-cure-for-failure-is-to-learn-from-mistakes-says-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-20150201-133cf1.html
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They should have flown Northey in to give tem a rev up before the game.
Apart from the Collingwood game, we are not ruthless. We don't like to slaughter sides.
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The were so confident we would win a final. Hopefully the loss has put his contract on hold till next year
The club owes its supporters that. He doesn't deserve it now with his record.
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The were so confident we would win a final. Hopefully the loss has put his contract on hold till next year
The club owes its supporters that. He doesn't deserve it now with his record.
Honestly think that's the furthest thing on his mind at the moment. He loves our club, and he's hurting more from the loss than any personal dilemma over his future coaching career. Still, RFC won't offer him anything till the end of next season I'd say.
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The were so confident we would win a final. Hopefully the loss has put his contract on hold till next year
The club owes its supporters that. He doesn't deserve it now with his record.
Honestly think that's the furthest thing on his mind at the moment. He loves our club, and he's hurting more from the loss than any personal dilemma over his future coaching career. Still, RFC won't offer him anything till the end of next season I'd say.
yeah right
watch him never play anyone under the age of 23 again - in order to get a new contract and creep into 8th
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yeah his hurting that he picked 2 blokes who played a handfull of games all year ahead of lennon and lloyd who had performed in the f50 leading up to a final.
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Consider sacking Hardwick: Brian Waldron
SEN
16 Sep 2015, 12:36PM
Former AFL club chief executive Brian Waldron believes Richmond bosses should seriously consider moving on coach Damien Hardwick after a third successive finals failure.
The Tigers season came to and end after being defeated by North Melbourne on Sunday, following Semi final losses to Port Adelaide in 2014 and Carlton in 2013.
"I would consider very seriously moving him on, or I would very seriously consider making changes around him," Waldron has told SEN. "
It's the old definition of insanity, they keep doing the same old thing and expecting a different result .. and they're not getting a different result."
Hardwick has just completed his sixth year as coach of the Tigers and has one more season left on his contract.
Richmond legend Kevin Bartlett strongly disagreed with Waldron believing the Tigers should stick with Hardwick.
"I'm flabbergasted that you're suggesting that Damien Hardwick is not the man to coach Richmond. He's been there six year and started out very poorly and since then he's won more games, and more games each year," Bartlett said.
http://www.sen.com.au/news/09-15/consider-sacking-hardwick-brian-waldron
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Mmmmm, its out there now...
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Brian should keep his nose out of our club. He did his stint with us a decades ago and it wasn't great from a club success point of view. If Waldron is gonna start running our club agenda then we're stuffed IMHO.
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Brian Waldron is the last person who should be handing out advice on how to run a club or what clubs should do re players or coaches
He is the person who almost destroyed Melb Storm with his salary cap rorting schemes
Scumbag >:(
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Brian Waldron is the last person who should be handing out advice on how to run a club or what clubs should do re players or coaches
He is the person who almost destroyed Melb Storm with his salary cap rorting schemes
Scumbag >:(
Exactly, he would fit in well at the Blooze.
The last person to be giving advice, he screwed the Storm.
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Doesn't matter, like I said its out there now. Watch out next year Damien, you will be trialled and excited via the press. As I have said before the press have the power. Watch it unfold after round one if we lose... :snidegrin
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Doesn't matter, like I said its out there now. Watch out next year Damien, you will be trialled and excited via the press. As I have said before the press have the power. Watch it unfold after round one if we lose... :snidegrin
we aint losing in round 1. the heat will occur in the first week of finals next year.
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Doesn't matter, like I said its out there now. Watch out next year Damien, you will be trialled and excited via the press. As I have said before the press have the power. Watch it unfold after round one if we lose... :snidegrin
Are page 3 topless girls being put in the press here as well?
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Will be re signed in the off season, mark my words....
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Mmmmm, its out there now...
Yes it is, the ranting of a cheating idiot. Who cares ::)
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Will be re signed in the off season, mark my words....
Of course It's the RFC that's what they do. Bombers are after him. Hahaha
Funniest thing I've heard all year
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Will be re signed in the off season, mark my words....
We already know that.
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peeweak hearted idiots at that club.
Benny is kidding
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No finals win in 2016 and he is gone!
That's the pass mark.
Anything less than that is a fail and his job is gone.
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I actually think we need to make top 4, get the double chance, lose the first win the secon he stays. Lose both......he's GONE.... :outtahere
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3 flags in a row
Anything less is a fail
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Undefeated flags too
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Undefeated flags too
I didn't mention that as I thought it went without saying
But for the sake if clarity you are right to mention it
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No finals win in 2016 and he is gone!
That's the pass mark.
Anything less than that is a fail and his job is gone.
i was under the impression that was the pass mark this year
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A finals win may be seen as a pass mark but where was it written that he would given the sack for not achieving it?
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dont believe it was, but i did only say pass mark
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Sorry, my post wasn't directed at you, Al. Plenty of people are saying he didn't achieve his pass mark and therfore he should be sackead. The reality is the club set a pass mark of a finals win, the fans seem to think a mandatory sentence should be attached for not reaching it.
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no worries. it wouldnt be the smartest move to sack him unless you had a replacement you were very sure would be a better option lined up.
in saying that, you have to wonder what the point of publicly stating what a pass mark is if it makes no difference if you achieve it or not?
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No finals win in 2016 and he is gone!
That's the pass mark.
Anything less than that is a fail and his job is gone.
That was the pass mark last season(2014) according to our president so why is it our pass mark for next season?
Any thing less than a preliminary finals berth would be a massive fail.
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Rumblings have started down at Punt Road...... :shh
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Rumblings have started down at Punt Road...... :shh
They started here first.
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:rollin
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Rumblings have started down at Punt Road...... :shh
Relton Roberts' stomach?
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Rumblings have started down at Punt Road...... :shh
no doubt about it the coteries are talking behind the scenes. If the club doesn't bring in some big name players and hardwick faulters he wont survive 2016 (Unless they give him this much talked about extension - in which case they wont want to pay him out). Interesting times at punt road.
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Rumblings have started down at Punt Road...... :shh
They started here first.
:shh :shh
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Rumblings have started down at Punt Road...... :shh
no doubt about it the coteries are talking behind the scenes. If the club doesn't bring in some big name players and hardwick faulters he wont survive 2016 (Unless they give him this much talked about extension - in which case they wont want to pay him out). Interesting times at punt road.
The coteries are talking really?
Seeing I am in one I can say that yes we've been talking but to suggest it's about sacking coaches well that's simply isn't true :laugh:
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no all you can say for sure is that you arent hearing any talk, which is different
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WP just out of interest do you usually share on here things you might here at the coteries(i understand certain discretion is advisable)
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no all you can say for sure is that you arent hearing any talk, which is different
Just made a generalisation just like Ramps did about coteries
There are a number of coteries at the RFC (4)
Would suggest that is incorrect to suggest the "coteries are talking" which is implying ALL coteries are rumbling or trying to stir up trouble. That is just not true. Maybe one group is grumbling which is the "norm" for them but as for the others - nope
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The rumbling is there but it's coming from the coteries.... :shh
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Coteries are pretty much just humoured & get ignored at Richmond these days anyway....them having far too much say in matters was identified as one the main cultural problems when Gale took over....
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The Coteries were like mum in the canteen at junior footy. What a joke we used to be.
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WP just out of interest do you usually share on here things you might here at the coteries(i understand certain discretion is advisable)
Nope, certainly not these days
Coteries are pretty much just humoured & get ignored at Richmond these days anyway....them having far too much say in matters was identified as one the main cultural problems when Gale took over....
Agreed, as I said one group is mostly likely grumbling but means very little
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Coteries are pretty much just humoured & get ignored at Richmond these days anyway....them having far too much say in matters was identified as one the main cultural problems when Gale took over....
Imagine if the club took notice of the OER Coterie.
we would instantly sack most players on the list, recruit every player that become available and plenty that werent, be paying about 10 times our salary cap and constantly trading players just as they come good, because u need trade them when they have value .
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The place would smell like fish too.
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Rumblings have started down at Punt Road...... :shh
no doubt about it the coteries are talking behind the scenes. If the club doesn't bring in some big name players and hardwick faulters he wont survive 2016 (Unless they give him this much talked about extension - in which case they wont want to pay him out). Interesting times at punt road.
The coteries are talking really?
Seeing I am in one I can say that yes we've been talking but to suggest it's about sacking coaches well that's simply isn't true :laugh:
Thanks for the confirmation WP. ;D
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Coteries are pretty much just humoured & get ignored at Richmond these days anyway....them having far too much say in matters was identified as one the main cultural problems when Gale took over....
Imagine if the club took notice of the OER Coterie.
we would instantly sack most players on the list, recruit every player that become available and plenty that werent, be paying about 10 times our salary cap and constantly trading players just as they come good, because u need trade them when they have value .
:lol
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Coteries are pretty much just humoured & get ignored at Richmond these days anyway....them having far too much say in matters was identified as one the main cultural problems when Gale took over....
Imagine if the club took notice of the OER Coterie.
we would instantly sack most players on the list, recruit every player that become available and plenty that werent, be paying about 10 times our salary cap and constantly trading players just as they come good, because u need trade them when they have value .
Gold :lol
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Coteries are pretty much just humoured & get ignored at Richmond these days anyway....them having far too much say in matters was identified as one the main cultural problems when Gale took over....
Imagine if the club took notice of the OER Coterie.
we would instantly sack most players on the list, recruit every player that become available and plenty that werent, be paying about 10 times our salary cap and constantly trading players just as they come good, because u need trade them when they have value .
And there would be no reduction in the whingeing whingeing and bitching on here either
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Anyone see inside port
On fox footy
Would have been fascinating if it were on the tiges
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Well it wasn't so care factor 345 minus 345
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Caro says Hardwick is safe as it's been a long time since Richmond has made three finals in a row. He'll be under pressure in 2016 but moreso at finals time next year if Richmond makes it, which she expects we will as she expects us to improve next year.
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It's good that she ended the year on a crock of poo
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Guinane medal (VFL B&F) winner - Matt Dea
:whistle
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It's good that she ended the year on a crock of poo
Yep. A pretty red bow tied around a giant wet turd that was our season.
Closure is awesome.
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With potentially the worst draft ever coming and our failure to lurer anyone of any great note, other than maybe Yarran (who I'm actually really happy about getting) how do we make ground on the clubs in front of us?
We cannot even win a final??
Geelong will definitely pass us....
It won't be long before the new clubs pass us with shear wait of numbers with their early picks....
How can we turn this around?
QfT
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How about we leave it up to the people who get the big dollars work this out..we can judge them at the end of 2016 on whether their call was right.Benny said the club is being brutal in assessing the 2015 season,lets see if this is the case
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How about we leave it up to the people who get the big dollars work this out..we can judge them at the end of 2016 on whether their call was right.Benny said the club is being brutal in assessing the 2015 season,lets see if this is the case
Is it inevitable Richmond will fail ?
Given the clubs comments directly and indirectly in recent times and last few years of decisions
* Hampson is good enough to be the #2 ruckman for "18 months"
* Grigg is good enough to be a best 18 player / mid / tagger for fyfe ablett types :o
* Chapin a key stoic pillar of defense
Dan Richardson.
“We have two needs that we have identified — one a rebounding defender
and the other is an inside midfielder,”
If we can bring those two players in we’ll be quite happy.”
“Ideally we would have liked to have got an elite mid
but that’s not going to happen.
It is the common view, in the nonrichmond football world we have five elite players. We also have a few up and comming good kids; Vlastuin, Miles, McBean etc. But so does everyone else.
My fear is can the 'good players', carry the weaker types over the course of a season and win a finals seies?
Harwick
"The reality is our best players haven't played to the standard that is required of them," . "First and foremost that is my responsibility to get the best out of those players."
the players are behind the eight ball before the pig skin is even bounce IMHO
given the mentality, outdated? of the powers that be at punt road
"I probably learnt a saying from Denis Pagan back in the day, 'you don't flirt with form',".
"That's something that is in my philosophy
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if given the option ( ;D )
would anyone keep dimma over
adam simpson
or
luke beveridge
?
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Both have had one good year, even Hinkley has had 2 good uns
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would anyone keep dimma over
adam simpson
or
luke beveridge
or
Hinkley
?
Both have had one good year, even Hinkley has had 2 good uns
yes my dear politician but can you answer the question ? ;)
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if given the option ( ;D )
would anyone keep dimma over
adam simpson
or
luke beveridge
?
Nope, and trading coaches isn't the same as players.
We'll see how the dogs fare this season, I'm expecting them to not make the 8. The only current coaches I'd have take over from Dimma at the moment would maybe be Lyon, I rate Hinkley very highly (he came very close to being our coach all those years ago) but we could never have him as coach now. Adam Simpson is clearly a very competent coach, but he's got a list that can go all the way.
Dimma will be coaching next season and he's the man I would prefer at the healm until at least the start of next year.
:gotigers
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maybe lyon ??
lyon would be ideal given our list age and various factors imo
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maybe lyon ??
lyon would be ideal given our list age and various factors imo
And yet hes 0 - 3 (4) in the big dance. Not saying I dont rate him, but Ill reconsider my position on Dimma only after at least the start of next season.
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Ross Lyon has taken "overall average lists" into Grand Finals.
You provide Ross Lyon with the list that is 100% during finals and he will win you a Premiership.
Not his fault Fyfe (broken fibula), Pavlich (calf), McPhalin (injured) weren't 100%.
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fyfe and bennell are not retired or in jail, yet
he might still win one or two
or if milne attacked the ball a bit harder
good coach for mine - id take him over dimma instantly
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where my post go?
pretty dumb to think Hardwick is better than every other coach
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where my post go?
pretty dumb to think Hardwick is better than every other coach
Who thinks that?
Obviously Clarkson is currently the best coach. He may also be blessed with the best list so it is always hard to distinguish between the two.
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Going backwards.
Sack Hardwick!
Underrated as an OP
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Ross Lyon has taken "overall average lists" into Grand Finals.
You provide Ross Lyon with the list that is 100% during finals and he will win you a Premiership.
Not his fault Fyfe (broken fibula), Pavlich (calf), McPhalin (injured) weren't 100%.
If Lyon was coaching Richmond we be posting the same crap on this thread
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fyfe and bennell are not retired or in jail, yet
he might still win one or two
or if milne attacked the ball a bit harder
good coach for mine - id take him over dimma instantly
One thing Lyon would address is not getting embarrassed as a footy club in September something dimwit has failed in 3 yrs running
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Dimmer. Fails in finals on more than one level.
His inclusions are simply astonishing.
His method of getting the team firing when it really counts is clearly not comprehensive enough.
This is a flaw of his, not the team.
He must be terminated.
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where my post go?
pretty dumb to think Hardwick is better than every other coach
Who thinks that?
Obviously Clarkson is currently the best coach. He may also be blessed with the best list so it is always hard to distinguish between the two.
Dougeythedimmafan.
Lyon would be the only one he'd replace Dimma with, and that was only a maybe.
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Dougeythedimmafan.
Lyon would be the only one he'd replace Dimma with, and that was only a maybe.
Haha
I fear he's only going to do damage the longer he stays now....Round one v Carlton it'll be the same 22 lining up except perhaps Yarran in place of Newman and maybe Lennon -if he's still here- in for Lloyd or Griffiths....and there'll be the same missed tackles, non-existent shepherding and a virtually unchanged gameplan and we'll kick another sub 100 score, beat spoon favourites Carlton by 5 goals when it could've been 10 goals in a poor quality match....Hardwick will say... "Oh look it's just good to get the 4 points...blah blah structures, blah blah stats blah blah stuffing blah..."
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Dimmer. Fails in finals on more than one level.
His inclusions are simply astonishing.
His method of getting the team firing when it really counts is clearly not comprehensive enough.
This is a flaw of his, not the team.
He must be terminated.
This.
You want any more comprehensive proof that a coach can't take us further, look at the record. 3 finals losses in a row.
Can't mix it with the big boys. Lightweight competitor at best
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Ross Lyon has taken "overall average lists" into Grand Finals.
You provide Ross Lyon with the list that is 100% during finals and he will win you a Premiership.
Not his fault Fyfe (broken fibula), Pavlich (calf), McPhalin (injured) weren't 100%.
If Lyon was coaching Richmond we be posting the same crap on this thread
why post on hypotheticals lets deal with the facts of Dimwit in September.
what do you propose we do with him and others who support him. Id like to hear from those who support our coach.
I personally have had a gutful after 7 years and still not even a finals win. The problem is these fruitloops will extend his tenure, you can virtually guarantee that will happen in the offseason.
I honestly dont see any reason to do it and unless some real money is spent on our footy department, we wont be challenging anytime soon.
Its obvious that he is not capable of doing it on his own, but i guess thats what he wants as hiring a ratts type would have him worried too much about his own job.
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Ross Lyon has taken "overall average lists" into Grand Finals.
You provide Ross Lyon with the list that is 100% during finals and he will win you a Premiership.
Not his fault Fyfe (broken fibula), Pavlich (calf), McPhalin (injured) weren't 100%.
If Lyon was coaching Richmond we be posting the same crap on this thread
why do you say that?
Lyon has proven he is good at getting teams into a top 2 / gf position has he not ?
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- Lyon may watching events at Collingwood and Richmond where his third AFL coaching job may emerge.
Betting odds from UBet.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/as-hawthorn-starts-the-race-to-the-2016-afl-premiership-as-the-favourite-which-rival-is-the-genuine-challenger/story-fnia3nqh-1227563581616
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- Lyon may watching events at Collingwood and Richmond where his third AFL coaching job may emerge.
Betting odds from UBet.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/as-hawthorn-starts-the-race-to-the-2016-afl-premiership-as-the-favourite-which-rival-is-the-genuine-challenger/story-fnia3nqh-1227563581616
:clapping
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It's ridiculous to ignore the fact, this list needs a "CHANGE".
It's beyond simplistic.
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Lyons teams dont kick enough goals..You cant win a premiership by strangling a game
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It's NOT about winning ONE Grand final, as I'm sure would be more than enough for the current admin and coaching panel of the RFC, although it would suffice the club overall.
It's about three-peats, my friends and not the type Hardwick is renowned for
(Triple consecutive exits in the first week of finals)
Now, if we can't see the club setting itself up for such success then the whole thing is a loss.
One hypothetical flag under Hardwick is all anyone could imaging him delivering with his methodologies and this is now seeming more a total hypothetical than an eventual reality.
Considering this is NOT what anyone wants - he should be arseholed.
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Lyons teams dont kick enough goals..You cant win a premiership by strangling a game
he would have deledio, mcbean, vickery, jack, martin, cotchin, griffiths, lennon, edwards and co ...
or at least, who ever dimma does not get rid of
liverpool just sacked the manager, these things happen, no big deal
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Lyons teams dont kick enough goals..You cant win a premiership by strangling a game
except for the swans ten years ago.
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We've done Dimma to death, let's do Lyon - he's won 9 of 20 finals and 1 final from his last 5.
Yeah, let's see him get us from 7th to 4th :clapping
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Lyons teams dont kick enough goals..You cant win a premiership by strangling a game
except for the swans ten years ago.
kirk
j bolton
buchannan
fodike
kennelly
okeefe
mathews
luke ablett
c bolton
n davis
j crouch
schnieder
spriggs
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We've done Dimma to death, let's do Lyon - he's won 9 of 20 finals and 1 final from his last 5.
Yeah, let's see him get us from 7th to 4th :clapping
But he's a big fish in the coaching pond........ without a premiership.
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Yet he's come within a combined total of fourteen points of winning two flags...denied by a flukey toe poke, a blatant poster that was called as a goal before we had goal reviews and an errant bounce in the goal square.....both against sides that were red hot favourites...
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Hardwick is here for 2016. No point talking about coaching change now. I'm going to back him for now. If he fails (no finals success) he is out I would have thought.
There is no point getting the lynch mob out now. It will be futile. Save your energy for 2016 as it may be required. :whistle
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Yep reckon this year might prove a big one for Dimma coaching wise
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Yet he's come within a combined whental of fourteen points of winning two flags...involving a flukey toe poke, a poster that was called as a goal before we had goal reviews and an errant bounce.....both against sides that were red hot favourites...
This is always the argument brought up in regard to Ross Lyon and his coaching and it has some validity. However, at the end of the day, they have coached the same amount of premierships.
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Yep reckon this year might prove a big one for Dimma coaching wise
Well there's a revelation, please enlighten us...either way :snidegrin
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Yet he's come within a combined total of fourteen points of winning two flags...denied by a flukey toe poke, a blatant poster that was called as a goal before we had goal reviews and an errant bounce in the goal square.....both against sides that were red hot favourites...
...as opposed to Hardwick's awesome finals record....losing to a side that finished 9th and was only there by default after blowing a 5 goal lead.....losing by 10 goals after being smashed out the match by quarter time ....giving up a 21 point lead twice before losing by 3 goals to the side that finished 8th....
Yep.....why the hell would we want Lyon instead?
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Lyons teams dont kick enough goals..You cant win a premiership by strangling a game
except for the swans ten years ago.
kirk
j bolton
buchannan
fodike
kennelly
okeefe
mathews
luke ablett
c bolton
n davis
j crouch
schnieder
spriggs
some good player
but deledio martin cotchin vlastuin miles edwards corey ellis etc. stacks up pretty well ??
what would lyon get out of the group?
A flag , like 10 years ago ?
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My comment was that the swans won a flag ten years ago by strangling teams, wasn't really referring to Ross Lyon and the players he would at his disposal at richmond.
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My comment was that the swans won a flag ten years ago by strangling teams, wasn't really referring to Ross Lyon and the players he would at his disposal at richmond.
i know i was going off on a tangent
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My comment was that the swans won a flag ten years ago by strangling teams, wasn't really referring to Ross Lyon and the players he would at his disposal at richmond.
i know i was going off on a tangent
Still a valid point, though. But one we won't ever know the answer to.
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yes the swans did win 1 premiership by strangling the other sides.
paul roos an ross lyon are masters at this gameplan.
how many have they won compared to lost?
I think it was 14 of the last 15 years, the team that has kicked the highest points for the year played off in the grand final.
Did brisbane, geelong and now whorthorn win their three premierships in a row by playing ugly negative football?
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Once again, i didn't post that comment to suggest that I think the best way to win a flag was by strangling teams, simply that it has been done before.
In fact, it backs up my thoughts that going to a Ross Lyon or Paul Roos type of coach at richmond is not the answer.
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Yet he's come within a combined total of fourteen points of winning two flags...denied by a flukey toe poke, a blatant poster that was called as a goal before we had goal reviews and an errant bounce in the goal square.....both against sides that were red hot favourites...
He's also had 2 sides that were/are chock filled with talent.
Clarkson would've had 2 flags by now.
Bottom line, he's gone backwards in the past 2 years - they've gone backwards in the last 12 weeks since Richmond handed there arse to em.
No, Freo are gone and the Lyon sympathisers have to stop looking through rose coloured glasses.
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Once again, i didn't post that comment to suggest that I think the best way to win a flag was by strangling teams, simply that it has been done before.
In fact, it backs up my thoughts that going to a Ross Lyon or Paul Roos type of coach at richmond is not the answer.
You are sooooo full of.........knowledge :snidegrin.....You should coach the RFC or do you already because you seem to know everything. ;D
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further to the theme, the roos coached 2005 swans are the only premiers in the last 15 years to kick less than 2200 points for the year with 1975
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further to the theme, the roos coached 2005 swans are the only premiers in the last 15 years to kick less than 2200 points for the year with 1975
Assistant :clapping
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Once again, i didn't post that comment to suggest that I think the best way to win a flag was by strangling teams, simply that it has been done before.
In fact, it backs up my thoughts that going to a Ross Lyon or Paul Roos type of coach at richmond is not the answer.
You are sooooo full of.........knowledge :snidegrin.....You should coach the RFC or do you already because you seem to know everything. ;D
You got me. My identity is revealed. I am Dimma and this is my futile attempt to save my job from the marauding Ross Lyon from taking over.
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further to the theme, the roos coached 2005 swans are the only premiers in the last 15 years to kick less than 2200 points for the year with 1975
Assistant :clapping
Clueless benefactor :shh
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further to the theme, the roos coached 2005 swans are the only premiers in the last 15 years to kick less than 2200 points for the year with 1975
Assistant :clapping
nope.
top job or nothing
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Hardwick is here for 2016. No point talking about coaching change now. I'm going to back him for now. If he fails (no finals success) he is out I would have thought.
There is no point getting the lynch mob out now. It will be futile. Save your energy for 2016 as it may be required. :whistle
Why wait a year? Has three finals losses in a row. Why waste 12 months to deliver the same result or worse still missing out completely?
Three times in a row.
Who here would go fishing three times on a row at the same spot with no results, and think 'yeah, I'll go back there again because that's the best chance I'll have of success'
Staying on another year has no logic whatsoever. The guy is a ch0de
The same thing will happen and then you all will be like 'we should have ditched him years ago'
Stuffing lmao
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Hardwick is here for 2016. No point talking about coaching change now. I'm going to back him for now. If he fails (no finals success) he is out I would have thought.
There is no point getting the lynch mob out now. It will be futile. Save your energy for 2016 as it may be required. :whistle
Why wait a year? Has three finals losses in a row. Why waste 12 months to deliver the same result or worse still missing out completely?
Three times in a row.
Who here would go fishing three times on a row at the same spot with no results, and think 'yeah, I'll go back there again because that's the best chance I'll have of success'
Staying on another year has no logic whatsoever.
The same thing will happen and then you all will be like 'we should have ditched him years ago'
Stuffing lmao
Do you really think the club will sack him before the season starts? That's what I'm getting at. It won't happen now so save your energy.
Also I didn't say we had to wait a whole year. If we are 3 and 12 next year he'll be goneski.
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fishing analogy is a bit bizarre
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It's not a large pond :-\
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Yet he's come within a combined total of fourteen points of winning two flags...denied by a flukey toe poke, a blatant poster that was called as a goal before we had goal reviews and an errant bounce in the goal square.....both against sides that were red hot favourites...
He's also had 2 sides that were/are chock filled with talent.
Clarkson would've had 2 flags by now.
Great point - if we were comparing Lyon to Clarkson, instead of Hardwick.
Bottom line, he's gone backwards in the past 2 years - they've gone backwards in the last 12 weeks since Richmond handed there arse to em.
No, Freo are gone and the Lyon sympathisers have to stop looking through rose coloured glasses.
Hmm...so the minor premiers went backwards? Interesting theory....did they lose top spot? Did they go out of the finals in straight sets?....and didn't they play us again since we "handed their arse to them" by a thumping 27 points ....how'd that turn out? Tell me, what exactly have the Hardwick sympathisers got to hang their hats on?
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but what's the point of replacing him with someone whose game style has a low chance of winning premierships?
dont get me wrong, I'm not defending Hardwick, I just dont think Lyon, or his style,is the answer.
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Hawthorn are a very defensive side too. There are different forms of defending
Press
Zone
Flood
Pointing and yelling at rance grimes vlastuin to try harder
By kicking at a very high level - maintaining possession - that is a form o defence
Like a well drilled hockey outfit or spainish football team. You can't concede a goal, if you hve the ball. With th me exception of troy Chaplin
With st Kilda, Lyon had a pretty dynamic forward like
If freo kicked smart goal better they could have won one. Fyfe at chf just about got the the line
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but what's the point of replacing him with someone whose game style has a low chance of winning premierships?
dont get me wrong, I'm not defending Hardwick, I just dont think Lyon, or his style,is the answer.
What grand final side in recent years has not been build around a very solid defence?
I think Lyon and his style would fit the group perfectly
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i've put my arguments forward already and backed it up with real life facts.
your bum stuffed theories dont count counter this.
but basically if you cant kick more than 100 points per game you struggle to win premierships.
hawthorn last three years. 2452, most in the league, 2454, most in the league 2523, most in the league.
and you want to compare that with lyon coached teams, none of which have won a premiership?
I know which id prefer
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Your Sydney theory,
Isample size is one and two seasons and hence meaningless
I didn't say earlier to spare your feelings
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i've put my arguments forward already and backed it up with real life facts.
your bum stuffed theories dont count counter this.
but basically if you cant kick more than 100 points per game you struggle to win premierships.
hawthorn last three years. 2452, most in the league, 2454, most in the league 2523, most in the league.
and you want to compare that with lyon coached teams, none of which have won a premiership?
I know which id prefer
If you had the option of Clarkson or Lyon
Your words would be lovely
Yet you don't have such an option it would seem
But come back to earth it's Dimma v Lyon
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lmao
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Do we have the "option" of getting Ross Lyon to Richmond?
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Do we have the "option" of getting Ross Lyon to Richmond?
I prefer my fantasies to be full of other things rather than Lyons to RFC
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Do we have the "option" of getting Ross Lyon to Richmond?
give him enough money and probable yes
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and history says that chances are he wont win us a premiership, and nearly no chance he will win multiple premierships.
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He won one as midfield coach, beating judd/cousins/Kerr/cox will a humble group
He might win next season
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yeah, and Hardwick won one as an assistant too.
So he might win next too?
You can stick to your mights, I'll keep the more probables
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Saints DREW a grand final
And you are arguing
There is "nearly no chance", it's possible he can win one
Maybe you new a lie down ?
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Yes recent history shows us that if you dont coach a side to be able to average above 100 points per game, the odds are against you in terms of winning one premiership,(one team in 15 years) let alone Multiple premierships.(no teams in 15 years)
The sides that won multiple premierships in recent times all were consistently at the top of the scoring lists for those years.
Up to this point in time, teams coached by Lyon do not do this.
That is reality.
Just because you dont believe in something, reality doesnt change to suit.
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Lol multiple premierships
Let's win a final first eh
One last time - you reckon the guy that drew a gf has no chance of winning a flag (be it at Richmond or freo). Are you quite sure your happy with this position? Maybe think it over
Deep down I think u know having midfield coach flag ten year ago , senior coach a drawn grand final, more recently . And consistently taking teams to top two, grand finals your being a bit silly
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i made it very, very clear what i think.
if you want to discuss it don't change what i said to suit your own irrationality
and yes, if we get to a point we are good enough to win a premiership, i want to be in with a show of winning more than one. not just get lucky and win one against the odds.
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Are we talking about whether Lyon can coach a premiership now or whether he should replace Hardwick as coach?
Either way, Lyon has the same amount of premierships as Hardwick, has had longer than him to get one and has had more talented teams than what Hardwick has had at his disposal to get one.
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I think you both are forgetting what Lyon can bring to the table though, boring defense oriented football
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I think you both are forgetting what Lyon can bring to the table though, boring defense oriented football
Freo did play with some flair earlier this year, but other than that, I haven't forgotten.
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It's always been a dream of mine to watch Richmond win by kicking 10 goals to 5
Imagine the time I can save by having no desire to rewatch such a " goal feast "
#getross
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Are we talking about whether Lyon can coach a premiership now or whether he should replace Hardwick as coach?
To me the two things are closely entwined
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Are we talking about whether Lyon can coach a premiership now or whether he should replace Hardwick as coach?
To me the two things are closely entwined
I agree, no point getting a coach who hasn't or cant coach a flag to replace someone who hasn't or cant coach a flag.
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This
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Are we talking about whether Lyon can coach a premiership now or whether he should replace Hardwick as coach?
To me the two things are closely entwined
I agree, no point getting a coach who's won two minor premierships, made three GF's with two different clubs and come to within a bee's dick of two flags to replace someone who can't even come within a bull's roar of an elimination final win after 6 seasons.
EFA
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BTW - people complaining about Lyon sides being low scoring.....we haven't exactly piled on the goals under Hardwick either....
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but that doesnt make lyon the answer to the problem.
saying you dont want lyon is not advocating Hardwick
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Is Penelope pronounced like Antelope?
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I want to be a world renowned singer like Chris Brown.
Doesn't mean I beat up on my girlfriends.
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Saints DREW a grand final
And you are arguing
There is "nearly no chance", it's possible he can win one
Maybe you new a lie down ?
Stalin,
Do you think Ross Lyon has a more or less relevant game plan and selection strategy today vs 2010 (or even 2012)?
Also, why is his coaching record diminishing in finals series since 2012?
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I think you both are forgetting what Lyon can bring to the table though, boring defense oriented football
Lyon can also bring entertaining post match pressers. Does that make any sense? ;D
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I think you both are forgetting what Lyon can bring to the table though, boring defense oriented football
Lyon can also bring entertaining post match pressers. Does that make any sense? ;D
Although he doesn't talk about his performance between the sheets like Dimma does! :snidegrin
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Saints DREW a grand final
And you are arguing
There is "nearly no chance", it's possible he can win one
Maybe you new a lie down ?
Saints bottom 6 cost him a GF in 2009/10. Hence why he left in 2011 when he eloped to Freo.
Without them he may have gone back to back and had a show in 11 and 12 also given he had more quality in the bottom 6-8 of his 22 and the top end talent at his disposal.
Would barely do better with us given our bottom 6.
Model is Hawthorn. They have depth and culture. Lose a bloke like Suckling replace him with Hartung.
Hale retires Ceglar ready made replacement.
Lake goes Shoenmakers easily can fill the void.
If anything our scoring will diminish further under Lyon and our bottom 6 will be our Achilles heel.
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Saints DREW a grand final
And you are arguing
There is "nearly no chance", it's possible he can win one
Maybe you new a lie down ?
Stalin,
Do you think Ross Lyon has a more or less relevant game plan and selection strategy today vs 2010 (or even 2012)?
Also, why is his coaching record diminishing in finals series since 2012?
Freo finished first, on premiership points
So , i think it's fair to conclude, lyon still has some idea
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I think you both are forgetting what Lyon can bring to the table though, boring defense oriented football
Lyon can also bring entertaining post match pressers. Does that make any sense? ;D
Although he doesn't talk about his performance between the sheets like Dimma does! :snidegrin
Maybe because he is a Lyon by name a lion by nature and lyin by definition.
(http://www.wildlife-pictures-online.com/image-files/lions-mating-179.jpg)
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Saints DREW a grand final
And you are arguing
There is "nearly no chance", it's possible he can win one
Maybe you new a lie down ?
Would barely do better with us given our bottom 6.
If anything our scoring will diminish further under Lyon and our bottom 6 will be our Achilles heel.
Would lyon have played Newman. Grigg. Chaplin. Hampson?
It's not like our scoring is like bayern Munich currently . I doubt we'd kick many less goals
Would richmonds defence improve under Lyon?
The weakest handful of players in the 22 are already the bulk of the problem. So on that front, it'd be no different in regard to what your sayin
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I think you both are forgetting what Lyon can bring to the table though, boring defense oriented football
Lyon can also bring entertaining post match pressers. Does that make any sense? ;D
Although he doesn't talk about his performance between the sheets like Dimma does! :snidegrin
Maybe because he is a Lyon by name a lion by nature and lyin by definition.
(http://www.wildlife-pictures-online.com/image-files/lions-mating-179.jpg)
Now that would be an almighty hickey!
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Are you like the wisecracking uncle in your family at Christmas?
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Are you like the wisecracking uncle in your family at Christmas?
Nah. That's WAT. ;D
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Are you like the wisecracking uncle in your family at Christmas?
Nah. That's WAT. ;D
Classic one liners. ;D
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Saints DREW a grand final
And you are arguing
There is "nearly no chance", it's possible he can win one
Maybe you new a lie down ?
Stalin,
Do you think Ross Lyon has a more or less relevant game plan and selection strategy today vs 2010 (or even 2012)?
Also, why is his coaching record diminishing in finals series since 2012?
Freo finished first, on premiership points
So , i think it's fair to conclude, lyon still has some idea
Lyon finished 1st H&A and then finished 3rd.
Dimma finished 5th H&A and then finished 7th.
Both have struggled to win when it counts in recent times.
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Well, that's one way to look at it
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I think Lyon is a good coach but his team has a huge home ground advantage for all but 2 games during the H&A season.....
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I think Lyon is a good coach but his team has a huge home ground advantage for all but 2 games during the H&A season.....
And yet our coach can take a team over there and win.
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They also have to travel every second week.
Lyon has actually overachieved with his sides IMO. Had St.Kilda punching way above their weight and Fremantle are carried by half a dozen stars and a freak of a ruckman - the rest are just foot soldiers and few are downright hacks. Talent-wise, their list balance is not much better than ours....if anything we have more young talent coming through...
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was talking about this exact thing on GF day. The guy is a gun to do what he has with those lists. Imagine if he had a forward like a straight kicking cloke or jack.
Dawson. come on please
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...or nick reiwoltd
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was talking about this exact thing on GF day. The guy is a gun to do what he has with those lists. Imagine if he had a forward like a straight kicking cloke or jack.
Dawson. come on please
Dawson > he who shall not be named
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was talking about this exact thing on GF day. The guy is a gun to do what he has with those lists. Imagine if he had a forward like a straight kicking cloke or jack.
Dawson. come on please
Dawson > he who shall not be named
I won't say the name Chaplin…..
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Dawson actually defends a bit
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Are you like the wisecracking uncle in your family at Christmas?
The one that everyone secretly hopes was in a fatal crash on the way to Christmas lunch
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Yet he's come within a combined total of fourteen points of winning two flags...denied by a flukey toe poke, a blatant poster that was called as a goal before we had goal reviews and an errant bounce in the goal square.....both against sides that were red hot favourites...
He's also had 2 sides that were/are chock filled with talent.
Clarkson would've had 2 flags by now.
Bottom line, he's gone backwards in the past 2 years - they've gone backwards in the last 12 weeks since Richmond handed there arse to em.
No, Freo are gone and the Lyon sympathisers have to stop looking through rose coloured glasses.
yeah maybe next year they will fall to 2nd
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Saints DREW a grand final
And you are arguing
There is "nearly no chance", it's possible he can win one
Maybe you new a lie down ?
Stalin,
Do you think Ross Lyon has a more or less relevant game plan and selection strategy today vs 2010 (or even 2012)?
Also, why is his coaching record diminishing in finals series since 2012?
Freo finished first, on premiership points
So , i think it's fair to conclude, lyon still has some idea
We finished 5th, but I thought it was only finals that count?
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depends on what you are trying to argue
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Freo were 10 - 0, top of the ladder throughout the entire season and didn't make the GF. Would it be outrageous to suggest that maybe his gameplan was figured out by the end of the year? Expecting Freo to fall from here, I think they've missed their window....
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Cyclic conversation.
We don't even have a window
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Limiting ourselves to Aspiring to merely make finals gives to much acknowledgement and respect to the decades of finishing down the bottom.
We should be in it for premierships and build on that mentaility
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Sack the idiot ffs.
Never win a flag wih him.
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Limiting ourselves to Aspiring to merely make finals gives to much acknowledgement and respect to the decades of finishing down the bottom.
We should be in it for premierships and build on that mentaility
Who at the club is on record saying we "only aspire to make the finals "
Quotes please .
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none, but there have been a few who mentioned this winning a final business.
for once they should just STFU and perhaps start by saying we aim to win the flag and actually start winning finals instead of crapping on about.
fgts
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Cyclic conversation.
We don't even have a window
when is this contract extension coming mate? my guess is around the 11th November. They better make it quick as soooo many clubs are after his services.
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Are hardwick and friends ...
Trading away the clubs future ?
In order to selfishly extend the contract Of the staff ?
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Hardwick is the poster boy for " sometimes your best isn't good enough!"
Shut the door and turn the lights out when you leave.
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lol coz next years 2nd round is the future.
lmao
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Hardwick is the poster boy for " sometimes your best isn't good enough!"
Shut the door and turn the lights out when you leave.
Hardwick had no skill as a footballer. Apparently he was "hard" which is easy to be playing in Premiership teams in the back pocket.
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he was a decent player.
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If only his coaching was as hard, tough, ruthless and good at decision making......
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Dimma was a plodder player
Just dirty
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lol coz next years 2nd round is the future.
lmao
It's a ruthless industry
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:lol
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our rival already got ryder
we are assisting them get dixon
laugh it up
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our rival already got ryder
we are assisting them get dixon
laugh it up
RFC - difficult to trade with, dont offer market value for new talent and breaking even is seen as a net win.
OTHER CLUBS - ruthless approach at improvement, facilitative and innovative.
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on the brightside townsend and yarren should be best 22 forcing another two of the bottom six out
on the negative, will hardwick go into 2016 with eyes wide open in regards to given all promising players a go?
or will he stick to his plodder mates?
pretty quiet trade period overall when you consider the talent on offer
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on the brightside townsend and yarren should be best 22 forcing another two of the bottom six out
on the negative, will hardwick go into 2016 with eyes wide open in regards to given all promising players a go?
or will he stick to his plodder mates?
pretty quiet trade period overall when you consider the talent on offer
Will probably drop 2 players we want in :thumbsdown
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not looking good for Corey Ellis, McBean, Lennon ... :whistle
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Yep Grigg, Hunt, Batchelor, Conca, B.Ellis, Houli, Griffiths & Chaplin to all line up in round one with Hamspud on the bench. Top 4 here we come! :gotigers
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Chaplin - first man picked every week
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our rival already got ryder
we are assisting them get dixon
laugh it up
RFC - difficult to trade with, dont offer market value for new talent and breaking even is seen as a net win.
OTHER CLUBS - ruthless approach at improvement, facilitative and innovative.
We stuffn rock!
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Starting to hear rumblings that Hardwick may be gone before the draft - Bomber the target and he's apparently expressed interest after some initial soft approaches. Apparently the club not happy with Hardwick's selections, methods, match day coaching and refusal to evolve - even moreso in the wake of the Elimination Final loss - and a few have been impressed by Thompson's comments this year in the medi indentifying our weaknesses and regards to how he would approach things if he were coaching Richmond.
:shh :shh :shh
http://www.tigermosh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=253&start=0
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will be interesting to see how many games are given to the like of over the course of the season;
McBean
Lennon
C.Ellis
Markov
Rioli
McIntosh
Townsend
Vlastuin
who will be dimmas mates?
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About time this thread had a bump
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will be interesting to see how many games are given to the like of over the course of the season;
McBean
Lennon
C.Ellis
Markov
Rioli
McIntosh
Townsend
Vlastuin
who will be dimmas mates?
Markov has the gay p0rn moustache, so he probably has a head start
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C.Ellis
McIntosh
Vlastuin
who will be dimmas mates?
They are already Dimma's mates
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C.Ellis
McIntosh
Vlastuin
who will be dimmas mates?
They are already Dimma's mates
only so many you are allowed to play at once
according to the laws of the game
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What's your point?
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that would are only allowed to play 22 per game
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that would are only allowed to play 22 per game
So C.Ellis, McIntosh and Vlaustin aren't going to get a game? Gee wiz I'd love to know who you think deserve a game more than them. FFS Stalin we have to still give games to kids, especially when they out perform some of the old ones
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grigg
morris
houli
Lloyd
moore
have you forgotten i am not the head of selection committee?
shame as between claw and i , could go places :shh
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grigg
morris
houli
Lloyd
moore
have you forgotten i am not the head of selection committee?
shame as between claw and i , could go places :shh
You think Grigg, Morris, Houli, Lloyd and Moore deserve a spot before C.Ellis, McIntosh and Vlaustin? Far out
We'd go no where fast IMO. Claw just lists off a bunch of names because we don't have them and critisies nearly every player we have and you just harp on about Grigg and Chaplin.
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Refer to best 22 thread if u care what I reckon.
There is 22 spots
It would not be unusual to play 3 talls , at both end. And two rucks.
Deledio. Martin. Miles. Cotchin. Edwards. Etc. would be selected if fit.
That only in reality leaves a handful of spots up for grabs for the mids/smalls remaining
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Surely there's room for McIntosh, Ellis and Vlaustin though? Easily within our best group of young talent
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If Dimmas contract is extended - would he play the kids?
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You said there was no room for them remember?
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Indeed, yet I was saying how I think the coach will likely field the best 22
Based on like... The last 6 years
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I an glad Dimma has developed as a person :shh
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FB: Batchelor - Chaplin - Grimes
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran
C: B Ellis - Martin - Grigg
HF: Lennon - Vickery - Edwards
FF: Lloyd - Riewoldt - Deledio
R: Maric - Cotchin - Miles
INT: C Ellis - Townsend - Moore - Conca - Hunt - Lambert.
We all know Hardwick wont change and will play the older blokes as much as possible.Reckon we can be reasonably sure that the above will be the staple diet in the seniors. Get ready for indigestion.
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No Vlastuin?
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FB: Batchelor - Chaplin - Grimes
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran
C: B Ellis - Martin - Grigg
HF: Lennon - Vickery - Edwards
FF: Lloyd - Riewoldt - Deledio
R: Maric - Cotchin - Miles
INT: C Ellis - Townsend - Moore - Conca - Hunt - Lambert.
We all know Hardwick wont change and will play the older blokes as much as possible.Reckon we can be reasonably sure that the above will be the staple diet in the seniors. Get ready for indigestion.
Stable
Stability like pool of liquid outside a pig factory farm
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FB: Batchelor - Chaplin - Grimes
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran
C: B Ellis - Martin - Grigg
HF: Lennon - Vickery - Edwards
FF: Lloyd - Riewoldt - Deledio
R: Maric - Cotchin - Miles
INT: C Ellis - Townsend - Moore - Conca - Hunt - Lambert.
We all know Hardwick wont change and will play the older blokes as much as possible.Reckon we can be reasonably sure that the above will be the staple diet in the seniors. Get ready for indigestion.
Stable
Stability like pool of liquid outside a pig factory farm
Thread needed a bump
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No Vlastuin?
NO McIntosh either just imagine they are there. Either way it does not change the point.
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No Vlastuin?
Who's Dimma gunna drop?
Grigg?
Many kids will be missing out
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Bump
#emoughofthispoo
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Must go after this performance, particularly after not coaching this game, it's clear he has no interest.
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Sack Lade. He is the mastermind behind this debacle. :lol
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This game plan is still the problem. Best 22 or not, no effective system going forward.
Wants Chaplin playing as a swing man ... can you believe that?
Give McBean, Elton, C.Moore a GO!
Sick of seeing 2v6 in our forward line!
Still no small forward!
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Same inside 50 count.
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Malthouse and sheedy are available!
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This game plan is still the problem. Best 22 or not, no effective system going forward.
Wants Chaplin playing as a swing man ... can you believe that?
Give McBean, Elton, C.Moore a GO!
Sick of seeing 2v6 in our forward line!
Still no small forward!
:o
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Lost against Port.
The question has to be asked! ;D
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Tonights game was eerily similar to early 2015 games against demons, cats and roos...
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All of our poor performances over the past 6 years have been eerily similar..... :shh
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Stuff finals related performance measures, his contract needs to contain NAB cup related performance measures.
Losing those two NAB cup games is a stuffing joke.
Needs to go.
Now.
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Stuff finals related performance measures, his contract needs to contain NAB cup related performance measures.
Losing those two NAB cup games is a stuffing joke.
Needs to go.
Now.
Yeah ur rite, and we lost the intra club match as well.
How many clubs over the years have done poorly in these nab cup/challenge/practice matches and done well in the season only to go onto making finals. Answers is, heaps.
FFS you should at least wait til the season actually starts before hunting the coahes head.
If we've only won a couple of games after half a dozen or so matches in the really season then lop off the nongs head.
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Stuff finals related performance measures, his contract needs to contain NAB cup related performance measures.
Losing those two NAB cup games is a stuffing joke.
Needs to go.
Now.
Yeah ur rite, and we lost the intra club match as well.
How many clubs over the years have done poorly in these nab cup/challenge/practice matches and done well in the season only to go onto making finals. Answers is, heaps.
FFS you should at least wait til the season actually starts before hunting the coahes head.
If we've only won a couple of games after half a dozen or so matches in the really season then lop off the nongs head.
Yeah sorry I just lost it in the emotion of last nights game.
I will do as you suggest and wait for our first loss.
Do we play Melbourne at the start of the season by any chance?
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I don't know, ask Claw?
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I get that we lost the praccy games, and I was as peeed off as anyone else.
If ya gonna slag off at the coach, give a reason ffs.
We lost both those games through the use of absolutely pathetic skills.
Now if that is the coaches fault, then stuffing say so.
It looked to me that the skills level very low as usual, and it was the players who continually stuffed up.
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So a coach has nothing to do with the skill level of his team?
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If ya gonna slag off at the coach, give a reason ffs.
Fair enough
I dont like the shape of his head
Now if that is the coaches fault, then stuffing say so.
its the fault of the coach
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So a coach has nothing to do with the skill level of his team?
Coach & list managers are both culpable for that.
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Lmao at two year extension based on nothing.
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So a coach has nothing to do with the skill level of his team?
Didn't say any such thing.
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So a coach has nothing to do with the skill level of his team?
Didn't say any such thing.
But give him an extension anyway, and everybody shut up if you don't agree. Right?
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If ya gonna slag off at the coach, give a reason ffs.
Fair enough
I dont like the shape of his head
Now if that is the coaches fault, then stuffing say so.
its the fault of the coach
Pretty funny :thumbsup
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So a coach has nothing to do with the skill level of his team?
Coach & list managers are both culpable for that.
Exactly!
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When you're named as head coach, aren't you accountable for everyone?
That's WHY you're the HEAD coach.
So you try and share the blame around, ok that's fine.
Ultimately it's Hardwicks job to know all and instruct all.
They should be acting in accordance with his instructions.
Like I said, get rid of he whole panel.
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:clapping
Spot on, big feller.
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Out-coached by a first game coach and his new system.
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Out-coached by a first game coach and his new system.
But still won the game with a less experienced team......
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Out-coached by a first game coach and his new system.
Totally.
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Anyone see him on the coaches round table on Fox Footy? At one stage he brought up how he was criticised for not moving Cotchin forward in the EF and his reasoning was that we were getting killed in contested ball and Cotchin was our best contested plater and if he'd moved him out of the midfield we would've lost the c/p count by 50 instead of 30. FFS Cotchin had 9 stuffing possessions.
This to me underlines is his single biggest problem....he relies far too heavily on some stats while ignoring others and he fears making moves during matches because they might fail even more...in other words he'll too often stick something that actually is failing right in front of him rather than risk a potentially worse failure that hasn't even happened yet and still might actually succeed...
To paraphrase Ian Chappell - he's not prepared to lose a game by more in order to try to win it.
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Anyone see him on the coaches round table on Fox Footy? At one stage he brought up how he was criticised for not moving Cotchin forward in the EF and his reasoning was that we were getting killed in contested ball and Cotchin was our best contested plater and if he'd moved him out of the midfield we would've lost the c/p count by 50 instead of 30. FFS Cotchin had 9 stuffing possessions.
This to me underlines is his single biggest problem....he relies far too heavily on some stats while ignoring others and he fears making moves during matches because they might fail even more...in other words he'll too often stick something that actually is failing right in front of him rather than risk a potential worse failure that hasn't even happened yet and still might actually succeed...
All fair points.
I'll pass it on to him when I next see him. ;)
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Anyone see him on the coaches round table on Fox Footy? At one stage he brought up how he was criticised for not moving Cotchin forward in the EF and his reasoning was that we were getting killed in contested ball and Cotchin was our best contested plater and if he'd moved him out of the midfield we would've lost the c/p count by 50 instead of 30. FFS Cotchin had 9 stuffing possessions.
This to me underlines is his single biggest problem....he relies far too heavily on some stats while ignoring others and he fears making moves during matches because they might fail even more...in other words he'll too often stick something that actually is failing right in front of him rather than risk a potentially worse failure that hasn't even happened yet and still might actually succeed...
To paraphrase Ian Chappell - he's not prepared to lose a game by more in order to try to win it.
Interesting. I'm not 100% sold but it seems makes sense.
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Out-coached by a first game coach and his new system.
Totally.
Bolts is not exactly a first game coach. Not far off it though.
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Stability in Mediocrity
or in Latin.....
"Stabilitatem Mediocres"
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Anyone see him on the coaches round table on Fox Footy? At one stage he brought up how he was criticised for not moving Cotchin forward in the EF and his reasoning was that we were getting killed in contested ball and Cotchin was our best contested plater and if he'd moved him out of the midfield we would've lost the c/p count by 50 instead of 30. FFS Cotchin had 9 stuffing possessions.
This to me underlines is his single biggest problem....he relies far too heavily on some stats while ignoring others and he fears making moves during matches because they might fail even more...in other words he'll too often stick something that actually is failing right in front of him rather than risk a potential worse failure that hasn't even happened yet and still might actually succeed...
All fair points.
I'll pass it on to him when I next see him. ;)
Ya not one of those coterie wankers who think they know everything are ya?
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Anyone see him on the coaches round table on Fox Footy? At one stage he brought up how he was criticised for not moving Cotchin forward in the EF and his reasoning was that we were getting killed in contested ball and Cotchin was our best contested plater and if he'd moved him out of the midfield we would've lost the c/p count by 50 instead of 30. FFS Cotchin had 9 stuffing possessions.
This to me underlines is his single biggest problem....he relies far too heavily on some stats while ignoring others and he fears making moves during matches because they might fail even more...in other words he'll too often stick something that actually is failing right in front of him rather than risk a potential worse failure that hasn't even happened yet and still might actually succeed...
All fair points.
I'll pass it on to him when I next see him. ;)
Ya not one of those coterie wankers who think they know everything are ya?
He is a good friend of someone I know. :shh
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Anyone see him on the coaches round table on Fox Footy? At one stage he brought up how he was criticised for not moving Cotchin forward in the EF and his reasoning was that we were getting killed in contested ball and Cotchin was our best contested plater and if he'd moved him out of the midfield we would've lost the c/p count by 50 instead of 30. FFS Cotchin had 9 stuffing possessions.
This to me underlines is his single biggest problem....he relies far too heavily on some stats while ignoring others and he fears making moves during matches because they might fail even more...in other words he'll too often stick something that actually is failing right in front of him rather than risk a potentially worse failure that hasn't even happened yet and still might actually succeed...
To paraphrase Ian Chappell - he's not prepared to lose a game by more in order to try to win it.
Spot on, he also mentioned about players setting up for a turnover when we have the ball.... tipping that has an impact on blunting our attack
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Sack the bum
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didnt like the smug way he said "lids might play vfl this week"
the same day he names grigg in the team :thumbsdown
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Liked every post on this page
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Paul Roos is free next year
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Paul Roos is free next year
Operation "Get Paul Roos".
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Too obsessed with contested footy. Game has evolved past his strategy. Needs to evolve or we are finished. Disgusting draft and trade policy focusing on contested beasts. 1 trick pony trick is now useless.
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The years tick by and I am am proven right game by game. I also see that others have smashed the figurative glass of 'kool-aid' at last. His flaws have been there for all to see for 4 years now (as I stated at the time)....and don't give me this tripe regarding win-loss ratio's. He has taken Richmond to the middle of the table and that is where it will be as long as he remains. Benny and Penny are taking you all for fools, the recruitment team are fools (albeit with hands tied) and he is the prince of fools. The only saving grace is that he will be sacked before he reaches Dyer and Hafeys coaching tally's.....or will he :chuck
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xj2K7BMB0wk/mqdefault.jpg)
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I have utmost respect for people who need to say "I told you so".
It shows a real depth of character...
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The years tick by and I am am proven right game by game. I also see that others have smashed the figurative glass of 'kool-aid' at last. His flaws have been there for all to see for 4 years now (as I stated at the time)....and don't give me this tripe regarding win-loss ratio's. He has taken Richmond to the middle of the table and that is where it will be as long as he remains. Benny and Penny are taking you all for fools, the recruitment team are fools (albeit with hands tied) and he is the prince of fools. The only saving grace is that he will be sacked before he reaches Dyer and Hafeys coaching tally's.....or will he :chuck
How is that the recruitment team have their hands tied? Who has tied them? I don't understand this. More money thrown at it than most clubs.
...please explain.
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please dont
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I have utmost respect for people who need to say "I told you so".
It shows a real depth of character...
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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um, yes, but how is that relevant?
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um, yes, but how is that relevant?
cause richmond suck balls all the time
welcome to the sack hardwick thread
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does your weirdness know no bounds?
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That ones a pretty full boat
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um, yes, but how is that relevant?
cause richmond suck balls all the time
welcome to the sack hardwick thread
We just need to stop sucking
Problem solved.
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xj2K7BMB0wk/mqdefault.jpg)
How did he go today ?
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I have utmost respect for people who need to say "I told you so".
It shows a real depth of character...
Not sure why the mods bothered deleting my post. Sure it was a bit of an attack but surely a guy who comes back once a year to troll and tell everyone how good they are deserves to cop a bit of flack. Hell, I'm probably doing his ego a favour
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I have utmost respect for people who need to say "I told you so".
It shows a real depth of character...
Not sure why the mods bothered deleting my post. Sure it was a bit of an attack but surely a guy who comes back once a year to troll and tell everyone how good they are deserves to cop a bit of flack. Hell, I'm probably doing his ego a favour
Couldn't agree more, with the rules on trolling this poster is the king of all trolls
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What's the record for most coached games without winning a final. Hardwick would have to be hugely close. Hope he gets it.
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did you have a number in mind? 500 would be good?
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What's the record for most coached games without winning a final. Hardwick would have to be hugely close. Hope he gets it.
I hope he doesn't. For the players sake, the clubs sake, the supporters sake and for stuff sake.
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HAHAHAHAH I HAVE NEVER EVER EVER SEEN A MORE RIDICULOUS POST IN MY LIFE.
Oh but nah he'll just call himself a realist and everyone else delusional, RCGG or apologist.
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Such a vociferous response to my post... I could never have imagined ::) To borrow (and modify) from the great man George Orwell: "In times of Universal trolling, telling the truth is considered to be trolling". Typically it was my annual 'trigger' victim and his conjoined twin providing the most intellectually prosaic response. They have deep-seated cognitive dissonance issues and are welcome to them. BTW 'Penelope' see my "trigger" comment earlier for the rationale behind my 'apparent' self-aggrandizement ;).
To Dooks, Ox, Mods and other insightful posters who I have never had an issue with and with whom I have enjoyed communicating I say don't let this club, or base posters, bring you down .....and have a great year, regardless......Slan Agat.
Oh....one other thing... for those of Nationalist Irish descent and proclivity don't forget to raise a glass for the (actual) anniversary of the Easter Uprising on Sunday the 24th April.... Beidh siad a mheabhrú.
Nearly forgot to mention - Sack Hardwick and get rid of the cosy clutch of fellow travellers infesting the club.
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I don't have an issue with Ruanaidh posting here. The more site members the better.
If he gets it wrong (like anyone) then you can hit reply and write why you think he's wrong.
A bit of robust debate is a good thing.
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But is he a real supporter Dooks? :shh
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Look at me, look at me
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Such a vociferous response to my post... I could never have imagined ::) To borrow (and modify) from the great man George Orwell: "In times of Universal trolling, telling the truth is considered to be trolling". Typically it was my annual 'trigger' victim and his conjoined twin providing the most intellectually prosaic response. They have deep-seated cognitive dissonance issues and are welcome to them. BTW 'Penelope' see my "trigger" comment earlier for the rationale behind my 'apparent' self-aggrandizement ;).
To Dooks, Ox, Mods and other insightful posters who I have never had an issue with and with whom I have enjoyed communicating I say don't let this club, or base posters, bring you down .....and have a great year, regardless......Slan Agat.
Oh....one other thing... for those of Nationalist Irish descent and proclivity don't forget to raise a glass for the (actual) anniversary of the Easter Uprising on Sunday the 24th April.... Beidh siad a mheabhrú.
Nearly forgot to mention - Sack Hardwick and get rid of the cosy clutch of fellow travellers infesting the club.
lol
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But is he a real supporter Dooks? :shh
Woah man, it's that sort of comment that angers him to a point that he returns once a year just to pot shot you. Don't worry though, it's just his way of telling you he has a crush on you ;)
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Back on topic.
Sack him.
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But is he a real supporter Dooks? :shh
Woah man, it's that sort of comment that angers him to a point that he returns once a year just to pot shot you. Don't worry though, it's just his way of telling you he has a crush on you ;)
If you guys don't like what or when he posts, call him out. And vice-versa.
We're all big boys and girls.
anyhoot, what is this thread about again? Oh yeah, sack Hardwick.
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But is he a real supporter Dooks? :shh
Woah man, it's that sort of comment that angers him to a point that he returns once a year just to pot shot you. Don't worry though, it's just his way of telling you he has a crush on you ;)
If you guys don't like what or when he posts, call him out. And vice-versa.
We're all big boys and girls.
anyhoot, what is this thread about again? Oh yeah, sack Hardwick.
Would love to but he keeps disappearing for 12 months at a time :shh
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But is he a real supporter Dooks? :shh
Woah man, it's that sort of comment that angers him to a point that he returns once a year just to pot shot you. Don't worry though, it's just his way of telling you he has a crush on you ;)
If you guys don't like what or when he posts, call him out. And vice-versa.
We're all big boys and girls.
anyhoot, what is this thread about again? Oh yeah, sack Hardwick.
Would love to but he keeps disappearing for 12 months at a time :shh
After reading posts attacking you and your cadre I'm beginning to like the newly awakened OER. I tell you what, admit you have been wrong about Hardwick from the beginning, which is obvious to everyone else btw and I'll return to keep you company...or aren't you 'man' enough to do it :thumbsup.. ;) BTW a caveat is that I only use PM's to abuse you...please refrain from attempting to strike up a dialogue in response to aforesaid PM's. I'm off to make pizza's for the family so I will purview your response...let's say...anytime I bloody wan't to....
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Blah Blah Blah
See you when we can't make finals flog
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But is he a real supporter Dooks? :shh
Woah man, it's that sort of comment that angers him to a point that he returns once a year just to pot shot you. Don't worry though, it's just his way of telling you he has a crush on you ;)
If you guys don't like what or when he posts, call him out. And vice-versa.
We're all big boys and girls.
anyhoot, what is this thread about again? Oh yeah, sack Hardwick.
Would love to but he keeps disappearing for 12 months at a time :shh
After reading posts attacking you and your cadre I'm beginning to like the newly awakened OER. I tell you what, admit you have been wrong about Hardwick from the beginning, which is obvious to everyone else btw and I'll return to keep you company...or aren't you 'man' enough to do it :thumbsup.. ;) BTW a caveat is that I only use PM's to abuse you...please refrain from attempting to strike up a dialogue in response to aforesaid PM's. I'm off to make pizza's for the family so I will purview your response...let's say...anytime I bloody wan't to....
Yeah it looks like I've been wrong (at the time I was right ;)) but this isn't the first time I admitted it but you haven't stuck around. Although telling me you'd stick around if I admit it doesn't make me want to.
:lol I don't care if you abuse me in PM so I'll reply however I like :thumbsup and maybe you can try and keep your little crush on me confined to PM's for the benefit of all posters
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But is he a real supporter Dooks? :shh
Woah man, it's that sort of comment that angers him to a point that he returns once a year just to pot shot you. Don't worry though, it's just his way of telling you he has a crush on you ;)
If you guys don't like what or when he posts, call him out. And vice-versa.
We're all big boys and girls.
anyhoot, what is this thread about again? Oh yeah, sack Hardwick.
Would love to but he keeps disappearing for 12 months at a time :shh
After reading posts attacking you and your cadre I'm beginning to like the newly awakened OER. I tell you what, admit you have been wrong about Hardwick from the beginning, which is obvious to everyone else btw and I'll return to keep you company...or aren't you 'man' enough to do it :thumbsup.. ;) BTW a caveat is that I only use PM's to abuse you...please refrain from attempting to strike up a dialogue in response to aforesaid PM's. I'm off to make pizza's for the family so I will purview your response...let's say...anytime I bloody wan't to....
Yeah it looks like I've been wrong
Jeeezus you must have been waiting at the computer with baited breath to reply so quickly.....
I only read the first 7 words so with that in mind:
A wise man once said: “With the wolves around, your humbleness is your worst adversary.” ....but I will risk it for this post only:....I accept your admission and implied apology. Now get Tonto and Silver to do the same.
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But is he a real supporter Dooks? :shh
Woah man, it's that sort of comment that angers him to a point that he returns once a year just to pot shot you. Don't worry though, it's just his way of telling you he has a crush on you ;)
If you guys don't like what or when he posts, call him out. And vice-versa.
We're all big boys and girls.
anyhoot, what is this thread about again? Oh yeah, sack Hardwick.
Would love to but he keeps disappearing for 12 months at a time :shh
After reading posts attacking you and your cadre I'm beginning to like the newly awakened OER. I tell you what, admit you have been wrong about Hardwick from the beginning, which is obvious to everyone else btw and I'll return to keep you company...or aren't you 'man' enough to do it :thumbsup.. ;) BTW a caveat is that I only use PM's to abuse you...please refrain from attempting to strike up a dialogue in response to aforesaid PM's. I'm off to make pizza's for the family so I will purview your response...let's say...anytime I bloody wan't to....
Yeah it looks like I've been wrong
Jeeezus you must have been waiting at the computer with baited breath to reply so quickly.....
I only read the first 7 words so with that in mind:
A wise man once said: “With the wolves around, your humbleness is your worst adversary.” ....but I will risk it for this post only:....I accept your admission and implied apology. Now get Tonto and Silver to do the same.
Didn't realise you only just commented but whatever makes you sleep at night.
Oh, and I didn't mean to imply an apology. Sorry if I confused you.
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does your weirdness know no bounds?
Ah
Praise from ceaser
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Sounds like Dimma lost the players ...
Astbury gone bang
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Tiger David Astbury said after the defeat he was “not really sure what the coaches really wanted in the last few minutes” of the match, where Collingwood fought back before ruckman Brodie Grundy booted a goal in the final seconds to secure victory.
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Tiger David Astbury said after the defeat he was “not really sure what the coaches really wanted in the last few minutes” of the match, where Collingwood fought back before ruckman Brodie Grundy booted a goal in the final seconds to secure victory.
As always you've forgotten to post a link :banghead :banghead But anyway it came from the RSN breakfast show the other day
Interesting how you have conveniently not posted any reference to the correction he made to that comment after appearing RSN
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Tiger David Astbury said after the defeat he was “not really sure what the coaches really wanted in the last few minutes” of the match, where Collingwood fought back before ruckman Brodie Grundy booted a goal in the final seconds to secure victory.
As always you've forgotten to post a link
oh yeah
its from the other thread ... do you still need it ?
anywho: source: the hun
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Watching Luke Beveridge on Footy Classified the other night a couple of thoughts occurred to me.
We posters seem to have always had a problem with coming up with alternative senior coaches. Since Hardwick was appointed there have been a few other coaches appointed - Pyke, Bolton, Cameron, Hinkley, Richardson, Simpson and Beveridge. The thing that seems to jump out at me is that they all seem to possess the ability that I consider essential to a good coach - being able to instill their players with the confidence to take the game on. They are all attacking coaches which seems to be exactly what we Tiger fans really want to see. There are some players at their teams that to me were very ordinary but have boomed under their coaching while our good players seem to go backwards.
Unfortunately with a board dominated by accountants and lawyers, I fear Richmond is going to be the last place where a risk is taken in getting any new coaches.
It seems to be a basic rule that it is preferable to wait until there is NO alternative to making a change rather than make a change and be blamed if it does not work.
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Watching Luke Beveridge on Footy Classified the other night a couple of thoughts occurred to me.
We posters seem to have always had a problem with coming up with alternative senior coaches. Since Hardwick was appointed there have been a few other coaches appointed - Pyke, Bolton, Cameron, Hinkley, Richardson, Simpson and Beveridge. The thing that seems to jump out at me is that they all seem to possess the ability that I consider essential to a good coach - being able to instill their players with the confidence to take the game on. They are all attacking coaches which seems to be exactly what we Tiger fans really want to see. There are some players at their teams that to me were very ordinary but have boomed under their coaching while our good players seem to go backwards.
Unfortunately with a board dominated by accountants and lawyers, I fear Richmond is going to be the last place where a risk is taken in getting any new coaches.
It seems to be a basic rule that it is preferable to wait until there is NO alternative to making a change rather than make a change and be blamed if it does not work.
:clapping
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We try playing attacking footy through the corridor and turn it over with poor disposal.. Recruit to fill the need of good kicking players ie. Menadue, c Ellis, Rioli, Lennon.. Probably
Some others I've forgotten. We don't have the cattle to play fast attacking footy.
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We try playing attacking footy through the corridor and turn it over with poor disposal.. Recruit to fill the need of good kicking players ie. Menadue, c Ellis, Rioli, Lennon.. Probably
Some others I've forgotten. We don't have the cattle to play fast attacking footy.
I think it's more than poor disposal, it's also poor decision making.
Vlastuin is supposed to be an elite kick but he being let done by his poor decision making under pressure. Ellis B, when recruited was considered an elite kick (long kick I might add) at TAC level but he is failing miserably at AFL level; more so because he wont kick long
Also the good kicking is one of the reasons they got Yarran, as he supposedly an elite kick. Unfortunately we can't get him on the park
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Watching Luke Beveridge on Footy Classified the other night a couple of thoughts occurred to me.
We posters seem to have always had a problem with coming up with alternative senior coaches. Since Hardwick was appointed there have been a few other coaches appointed - Pyke, Bolton, Cameron, Hinkley, Richardson, Simpson and Beveridge. The thing that seems to jump out at me is that they all seem to possess the ability that I consider essential to a good coach - being able to instill their players with the confidence to take the game on. They are all attacking coaches which seems to be exactly what we Tiger fans really want to see. There are some players at their teams that to me were very ordinary but have boomed under their coaching while our good players seem to go backwards.
Unfortunately with a board dominated by accountants and lawyers, I fear Richmond is going to be the last place where a risk is taken in getting any new coaches.
It seems to be a basic rule that it is preferable to wait until there is NO alternative to making a change rather than make a change and be blamed if it does not work.
Really well said.
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We try playing attacking footy through the corridor and turn it over with poor disposal.. Recruit to fill the need of good kicking players ie. Menadue, c Ellis, Rioli, Lennon.. Probably
Some others I've forgotten. We don't have the cattle to play fast attacking footy.
I think it's more than poor disposal, it's also poor decision making.
Vlastuin is supposed to be an elite kick but he being let done by his poor decision making under pressure. Ellis B, when recruited was considered an elite kick (long kick I might add) at TAC level but he is failing miserably at AFL level; more so because he wont kick long
Also the good kicking is one of the reasons they got Yarran, as he supposedly an elite kick. Unfortunately we can't get him on the park
That is true. I'd say most of our players crack with decision making under pressure.
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We try playing attacking footy through the corridor and turn it over with poor disposal.. Recruit to fill the need of good kicking players ie. Menadue, c Ellis, Rioli, Lennon.. Probably
Some others I've forgotten. We don't have the cattle to play fast attacking footy.
I think it's more than poor disposal, it's also poor decision making.
Vlastuin is supposed to be an elite kick but he being let done by his poor decision making under pressure. Ellis B, when recruited was considered an elite kick (long kick I might add) at TAC level but he is failing miserably at AFL level; more so because he wont kick long
Also the good kicking is one of the reasons they got Yarran, as he supposedly an elite kick. Unfortunately we can't get him on the park
Bellis does kick long, just hardly ever to the advantage of our forwards, rather a blind kick and hope
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It's the coaches directive. Retain possession, dinky 20 metre specials only, don't take risks, show no flare, don't kick long, never take the game on, don't play on, slow the game down, all be good administrators, show no emotion, be a robot.....
Good coaches invent new styles to suit the playing group, good coaches take risks with the squad, good coaches get new ideas & look outside the box.
Some coaches just repeat last years fad & are always a step behind the winners.....
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Look if he thinks he can win the 2016 flag with a mix of Neil Craig's 2005/6 Crowbots gameplan and Terry's Triangle we should back him in..... :gotigers
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Footy fads go in circles. Richmond are eyeing the 2060 flag so be prepared to have Dimma around for a while. Plenty of time to nail the game plan.
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Regardless if Richmond win or lose
Can we win the flag under dh?
I have strong doubts
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His game plan has no defensive side and the unskilled players can't execute his current plan, the just turn the ball over.
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Another goal, straight down the ground.....
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Benny and penny won't sack him till it's too late ..
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Benny and penny won't sack him till it's too late ..
Jobs for mates
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Adelaide got a good coach
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Not sure about that yet.
What I am sure is that we don't. What a list he has created geez.
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Last week looked like the battle for the spoon, and seeing how the pies are playing, it was
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He has 2 years to get us as many good (high) picks he can....let the rebuild begin..again.
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Lets listen to this dumb poo now saying how good the Crows were... :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Is it a good draft ???
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Watch Harddick panic now and bring in Batchelor and Morris next week.... :lol :lol
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Lets listen to this dumb poo now saying how good the Crows were... :clapping :clapping :clapping
Another team that has overtaken us again.
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Watch Harddick panic now and bring in Batchelor and Morris next week.... :lol :lol
Yes it is about that time of year when he drops all the kids
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Dead man walking.
His input today was comical. Players confused.
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Saints past us.
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Dead man walking.
His input today was comical. Players confused.
Confused and CBF'ed
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You can't tell me that 22 players stagnate, stand still and always kill momentum by stopping to turn around and look for a short pass or handball. Clearly under instruction. Time for someone else to get more out of this list which isn't as bad as some moles like to bung on about.
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You can't tell me that 22 players stagnate, stand still and always kill momentum by stopping to turn around and look for a short pass or handball. Clearly under instruction. Time for someone else to get more out of this list which isn't as bad as some moles like to bung on about.
:cheers
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Kew Comets have passed us. :banghead
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Hardwicks extension a clear problem, he has no clue and those who authorised the extension will be protecting themselves so I guess change will only come from a player revolt or a challenge to the board.
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If you get 50 more disposals than the opposition at a higher efficiency, and lose the game, then it is the coaches fault.
The players need to block Hardwick out of their minds and just play their natural games, we will be better for it.
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Hardwicks extension a clear problem, he has no clue and those who authorised the extension will be protecting themselves so I guess change will only come from a player revolt or a challenge to the board.
Not really, it just costs a bit extra to sack him.
It's the price you have to pay to keep the media away.
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Stabilitatem mediocres .
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Dumma continues to vindicate the metamorphosis from Dimma
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It is time to re build. Another 10 years. Sell any player worth anything. It was great to watch Tambling (Franklin) smashing GWS tonight. Sack every recruiter. The slow Lennon, Ellis, the gutted Ellis B. Trade Rioli as he's probably quite good. But above all sack Dumma as he has overseen all of this crap. Slow play. Players who think without any intelligence.
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Hardwick needs to be brutal in all aspects of a football coach. Too many idle dumbasses out on that field
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How often do you see this idiot talk on the phone? Never. Rocket Eade and Ross Lyon have it glued to their ear.
Guy just sits back and watches. Hopeless.
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You know what great point.
I have noticed that, not just today, and have never brought it up.
His out of his depth and bereft of ideas.
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You know what great point.
I have noticed that, not just today, and have never brought it up.
His out of his depth and bereft of ideas.
He has also surrounded himself with great mates, yes men, bereft of ideas, just thankful he's given them the opportunity to support him all the way to mediocrity.
Jobs for mates.
Richmond FC, giving opportunity & ruining careers since 1983. :clapping
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How often do you see this idiot talk on the phone? Never. Rocket Eade and Ross Lyon have it glued to their ear.
Guy just sits back and watches. Hopeless.
That's really interesting. Good pick up
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yeah, true that. I must admit that i never considered how often the TV telecast shows the coach on the phone, but i can see the merits in that
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you guys misunderstand the situation at the RFC.
Dumma doesn't need to talk on the phone. With all the money in the footy department now, why not hire another best mate to do the phone thing for him? win win. :gotigers
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How often do you see this idiot talk on the phone? Never. Rocket Eade and Ross Lyon have it glued to their ear.
Guy just sits back and watches. Hopeless.
im sure itll all sort it self out
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Dimmers theory.
"Set and Forget"
Also have picked up on the point made by YandB and its like being caught with your hand up a young girls dress -GUILTY !!
The guy shouldn't be getting paid for his shot effort as coach.
The guy is as stupid as spud frawley but dangerously more arrogant.
Does he even use the phone or runner, ever?
stuff I hate the idiot.
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where is a link to the press conference ?
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HE NEEDS TO PICK UP THE PHONE FFS
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Moot point if the cure starts being worse than the disease....
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A neurological disorder is any disorder of the body nervous system. Structural, biochemical or electrical abnormalities in the brain, spinal cord or other nerves can result in a range of symptoms.
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Got no problaem with him....he & Lambert won the Carltom Match in the last.
People are focusing on the wrong issues & people - it's not Cotchin, Miles, Martin or the kids- it's Hardwick & the hacks that are dragging the side down.
Agree with that.
X3
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A neurological disorder is any disorder of the body nervous system. Structural, biochemical or electrical abnormalities in the brain, spinal cord or other nerves can result in a range of symptoms.
Ox. I didn't realise your medical knowledge was so great! :clapping ;D
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It's not. My knowledge of the RFC however, is :snidegrin
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norf def. dees
21 goals to 20
meanwhile dimma still trying to figure out how to kick 10
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And how to "MAKE" the eight.
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If we lose to melbourne I am buying a truckload of chook poo
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If we lose to melbourne I am buying a truckload of chook poo
Get your deposit ready..
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We don't even bother to bring in new assistants or even replace ones that leave, so fat chance of us changing the coach....
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If we lose to melbourne I am buying a truckload of chook poo
Get your deposit ready..
The person who did it last time is probably on his or her way already with a mother load.
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Why wait until then
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This guys a bettr bullshitter than bill Clinton
He's not even accountable for his own crappy game plan or development..
And we wonder why there's a lack of leadership at ground level.
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Gal 4:16
"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth
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Hardwick has been focusing on mental training this week
... Maybe kicking would have been a better idea
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Expect to see some three pointers thrown
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Hardwick logic at work:
Give up 80 points in turnovers - recall the player with the worst disposal in the AFL who was dropped for turning it over 9 times the week before.
Boast how we won stats like contested possession & clearances - drop our most consistent inside mid of the past two years.
:bow
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Well they won't sack him. Surely he would have to think about resigning. Not re-signing as we know he has done that.
He just can't coach against this at the moment, he has nothing against this Eagles side.
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Well they won't sack him. Surely he would have to think about resigning. Not re-signing as we know he has done that.
He just can't coach against this at the moment, he has nothing against this Eagles side.
There is no way that he'll resign. Bought a new place not that long ago. How will he service the mortgage of he leaves without a payout.....
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We can play young players and cop the turnovers and what not but we play such a bad outdated style ? That's the coaching right there. Hardwick has got to go.
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He won't be sacked now
He won't quit
Club has to face the consequences of their actions and that won't be pretty
And what they cop, they deserve
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What business or organisation would accept this performance and reward the GM with an extended contract after continual poor results?? None!!
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He won't be sacked now
He won't quit
Lol
:gotigers
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Always thought he couldn't take us further. But he absolutely has to go. Pay out the contract idgaf. We have to make changes. Bulldogs, port, wce all these teams can make massive leaps and we're stuck in 2nd gear.
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Haven't seen us this non competitive in a long time. Im on the bandwagon, sack him and move on. Tonight ideally
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I can't believe we are chipping it sideways on the HB line.
It's not just that it's the way we do it.
If you are going to switch to generate some space then you need to do it quick. Not chip it sideways, run back behind the mark and weigh up your options.
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Need as close to a 100 point loss for pressure to come.
An honourable loss just masks the cracks
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Sack Peggy Sue...clearly the woman's touch has made us even softer.
:whistle
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It is time ...
Same game plan since 2009.
2015, fast attacking pressuring football. Hardwick, zone, controlling, slow football ...
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It's not. My knowledge of the RFC however, is :snidegrin
:clapping :lol
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Look's lost and no answers has no plan B.
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Look's lost and no answers has no plan B.
Doesn't have a plan A
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If this season continues in this vane we will have come full circle and once again be compared with the 1996 Fitzroy team as we were in 2010.
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Two things need to happen
Obviously he has lost the players , without any doubt
Choco takes over as coach
And Jack as captain
This can't continue
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Two things need to happen
Obviously he has lost the players , without any doubt
Choco takes over as coach
And Jack as captain
This can't continue
They won't sack him right now
End of the season yes but not now
As for the players? Well they are part of the reason he got the extension
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Two things need to happen
Obviously he has lost the players , without any doubt
Choco takes over as coach
And Jack as captain
This can't continue
Agree!!
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Two things need to happen
Obviously he has lost the players , without any doubt
Choco takes over as coach
And Jack as captain
This can't continue
As for the players? Well they are part of the reason he got the extension
Why would you sack a boss that lets you bludge for a lot of money.
The Richmond De Sal plant.
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Two things need to happen
Obviously he has lost the players , without any doubt
Choco takes over as coach
And Jack as captain
This can't continue
They won't sack him right now
End of the season yes but not now
As for the players? Well they are part of the reason he got the extension
Yeah and the other parts are Benny fail and your mate Peggy sue. The 3 combined are the reason and should all be made accountable
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Need to sack the whole board, they're the muppets who gave him an extension, do they not see what we all see week in week out?
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Yeah and the other parts are Benny fail and your mate Peggy sue. The 3 combined are the reason and should all be made accountable
I agree with you, every single person at the club needs to be held accountable for the mess we are in right now
But the club in their stupidity of giving that contract extension on Benny's recommendation (which I was against don't forget) they have IMESHO backed themselves into a corner right now and that is why they cannot and will not sack him
Said it last night and club has to take responsibility for their actions
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I hope they have set certain get out clauses in the contract.....
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Who do we want as our new coach?
I hope we get someone innovative, who is willing to demand excellence, finally eradicate Tigeritis from the bowels of punt road & wipe clean the stain of mediocrity forever.
Someone who hates second best and craves winning.
Someone who can lead not mollycoddle
Someone who the players fear to disappoint & want to play for.
Who is able to do the impossible?
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Who do we want as our new coach?
I hope we get someone innovative, who is willing to demand excellence, finally eradicate Tigeritis from the bowels of punt road & wipe clean the stain of mediocrity forever.
Someone who hates second best and craves winning.
Someone who can lead not mollycoddle
Someone who the players fear to disappoint & want to play for.
Who is able to do the impossible?
So its out of Julius Caesar, Rasputin or Caligula then ... :gotigers
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Who do we want as our new coach?
I hope we get someone innovative, who is willing to demand excellence, finally eradicate Tigeritis from the bowels of punt road & wipe clean the stain of mediocrity forever.
Someone who hates second best and craves winning.
Someone who can lead not mollycoddle
Someone who the players fear to disappoint & want to play for.
Who is able to do the impossible?
So its out of Julius Caesar, Rasputin or Caligula then ... :gotigers
I was thinking Napoleon Bonaparte myself.
But going with the Greek flavour on this site, it just has to be Alexander the Great! :snidegrin
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Hinkley the great non achiever may be available soon
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Want someone who demands hard running, pressuring football and goal scoring as No.1 priority.
Hardwick does not want any of this things.
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Hardwick's system is the problem and always has been.
ADD his inability to adapt to attacking game styles and match play coaching.
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Hinkley the great non achiever may be available soon
10 goals down at 1/2 time. will put my hand up - I was wrong about the power and got sucked in by their extraordinary year in 2014 - they are an average footy team
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Hinkley the great non achiever may be available soon
10 goals down at 1/2 time. will put my hand up - I was wrong about the power, and got sucked in by their extraordinary year in 2014 - they are an average footy team
Me too. Hope they continue this form against us too!
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Sides like Footscray & Adelaide are basically copying Hinkley's game plan this year, which suggests to me the problem mainly lies with their list....
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Pies get smashed again
Dimma has been very lucky the last five years there is always someone more interesting than him under the pump
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Was thinking the same thing today.
Malthouse
Bucks
Hird
Etc
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Will Dimma better half come to his defence on social media?
One can only hope
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Did anybody else see our posession heat map on the couch.
The Truth is our side is playing the percentages like Damien is asking them to. It's clearly failing!
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Don't need to see it.
It's as plain as the nose on an anteater.
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Don't need to see it.
It's as plain as the nose on an anteater.
:lol
It certainly is! :banghead
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Not sure about that yet.
What I am sure is that we don't. What a list he has created geez.
Adelaide coach seems ok. They are a even side and the bottom six are of reasonably quality I think
Most coaches in the business seem ok...
Mr hardwick however is questionable
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Was thinking the same thing today.
Malthouse
Bucks
Hird
Etc
We should be making an offer to one of these that they can't refuse
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Bucks 8)
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We might as well appoint Peta Searle as head coach and have Michelle Cowan as her assistant and the club will have achieved all its ever wanted. :surrender
Get it done Peg!
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First female afl coach.
Get it done!!!
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Offer norfs list manager big money
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Offer norfs list manager big money
...and Paul Roos.
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:facepalm
Roos LMAO
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Chris Scott told Hartlett he's a tosser
As hardwick ever spoken to an opposition player? Nope
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Chris Scott told Hartlett he's a tosser
As hardwick ever spoken to an opposition player? Nope
He should be sacked for that alone.
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:facepalm
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Chris Scott told Hartlett he's a tosser
As hardwick ever spoken to an opposition player? Nope
He should be sacked for that alone.
Scott?
Yes ... How dare he show some heart
He is allowed to talk to people surely
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If we lose tonight he should resign...
If we win tonight he should resign for losing the other games we should have won.. :snidegrin
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Carlton goin past us :lol
Saints sniffing around
Gws laughing at Richmond
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Lyon will be up for grabs soon
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Lyon > mr hardwick
Would be good for us given the ageing list and closing window
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Tick
Tock
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Tick
Tock
Tick
Tock
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Will ross Lyon being under the pump ONCE AGAIN save me hardwick from the media blow torch ...
:sleep
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The nails are getting hammered every quarter of football, Hardwick must be cringing with every one.
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Sack him and the idiots who gave him an extension.
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Sack the squib now, and the moneyball idiots he drafted and the Muppet who resigned him.
Play the kids.
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At this stage, anyone would be better than this clown who has not only lost the players but lost his mind.
Players would benefit from a stern shakeup and change of guard.
Caretaker - anyone.
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Mark Williams!
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Farell Williams
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Choco!
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:cheers
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Speaks volumes.
Dustys best mate posting that crap . Even got Dusty in his profile picture. What a sh** stirrer.
Club is fractured . This is evidence that Dimma has lost the playing group.
Also evidence that there's not too many brain cells in a room that contains Conners & Dusty.
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connors was a good player
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Really starting to look like Wallace all over again...
Would we look at Bomber Thompson? He is about the only one left. Or the assistants from the Crows, Sydney or the Eagles??
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FFS even Connors is saying it, just shows how far our administration has their head in the sand.
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Ross Lyon must get
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Yep
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Yep
He is winding you up....FFS, you should know by now that absolutely nothing Chuck says is serious or relevant.
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Ross Lyon must get
I think you are being cheeky but I have had my fill of unwatchable football.
Funny thing is Lyon was once upon a time in our coaches box during the Gieschen era.
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Get Luke Beveridge!
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Or adam Simpson
Would take money and balls
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Get Luke Beveridge!
B.Gale: Welcome Luke to Punt rd.
Luke Beverage: Ok, So where are all the fast players?
B.G: Nothing to worry about, our crack team is on it.
Francis is inside watching some videos on his trusty Betamax & Blair is signing Stanton & Pears as we speak.
L.B: I'd like to trade out some players for quality draft picks Vickery & Brandon Ellis are high on my list as they have some currency but my list is quite long, do you want to see (interrupted)...
B.G: no no no. Luke, there's one thing you must understand here at The Stability Centre, we don't let people go, granted we were sad to see Dimma leave us, as he probably had a job for life, but we just don't trade quality blokes. I mean Brandon will be a fine accountant one day, why would you trade that? And Ty, he could do my job now he's that bloody smart. Don't you worry, we will look after the list you just do your best to get us in that eighth position, that's all our supporters want.
L.B. :facepalm
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Get Luke Beveridge!
B.Gale: Welcome Luke to Punt rd.
Luke Beverage: Ok, So where are all the fast players?
B.G: Nothing to worry about, our crack team is on it.
Francis is inside watching some videos on his trusty Betamax & Blair is signing Stanton & Pears as we speak.
L.B: I'd like to trade out some players for quality draft picks Vickery & Brandon Ellis are high on my list as they have some currency but my list is quite long, do you want to see (interrupted)...
B.G: no no no. Luke, there's one thing you must understand here at The Stability Centre, we don't let people go, granted we were sad to see Dimma leave us, as he probably had a job for life, but we just don't trade quality blokes. I mean Brandon will be a fine accountant one day, why would you trade that? And Ty, he could do my job now he's that bloody smart. Don't you worry, we will look after the list you just do your best to get us in that eighth position, that's all our supporters want.
L.B. :facepalm
:lol
PS. I don't think FJ was savvy enough to use a Betamax. He thought VHS was better….. :whistle
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LYON is a loser. Dont go near him.
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LYON is a loser. Dont go near him.
Didn't he start his coaching career (as an assistant) at Richmond? :whistle
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l put my full support behind Hardwick to get us through this slump.
The players are too blame & no-one else. Players like Houli, Martin, B & C Ellis, Maric, just a few well below their game last night.
What l see out on the ground is Richmond players being slaughtered in the marking contests. Richmond defenders spoiling each other hence Rance spoiling Houli who should have marked the ball which resulted in the spill & goal. This happens weekly in defence & forward 50's. Players losing their footing at crucial moments of the game when we could easy had scored goals. Riewoldt having 2 or 3 players to battle with so why go to him when we have 2 players free. This is solely on the playing group to get things right.
Melbourne were good last night & have been all year. They deserved to win but we should have been closer, had we not missed crucial shots on goals that a average footballer should get. That is where we lose momentum & the game. The players need to do extra work to get on top of this. Hardwick should stop players coming off after kicking goals. l hate watching this every week. Do the interchange when the play is on the interchange wing.
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Every other coach has adapted to the reduced interchanged. I don't think any team has players run off the ground after kicking a goal that I have seen but we are still doing this. :banghead
It's the hundreds of these basic little things added together that make him a slow, dimwitted, antediluvian, non-inventive, non-creative, behind the eightball, chasing last years fad, coach who has surrounded himself will equally dimwitted non creative yesmen mates that don't contribute anything new to footy and have no ideas or plan.
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This is like Dumma still studying Clarksons 2007 playbook blueprint...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrwZORNA-k0&sns=em
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Get Luke Beveridge!
B.Gale: Welcome Luke to Punt rd.
Luke Beverage: Ok, So where are all the fast players?
B.G: Nothing to worry about, our crack team is on it.
Francis is inside watching some videos on his trusty Betamax & Blair is signing Stanton & Pears as we speak.
L.B: I'd like to trade out some players for quality draft picks Vickery & Brandon Ellis are high on my list as they have some currency but my list is quite long, do you want to see (interrupted)...
B.G: no no no. Luke, there's one thing you must understand here at The Stability Centre, we don't let people go, granted we were sad to see Dimma leave us, as he probably had a job for life, but we just don't trade quality blokes. I mean Brandon will be a fine accountant one day, why would you trade that? And Ty, he could do my job now he's that bloody smart. Don't you worry, we will look after the list you just do your best to get us in that eighth position, that's all our supporters want.
L.B. :facepalm
:lol
PS. I don't think FJ was savvy enough to use a Betamax. He thought VHS was better….. :whistle
Did you enjoy watching Jaws, Rocky & Star Wars over and over again before realising you paid 300 bucks for a clock?
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Get Luke Beveridge!
B.Gale: Welcome Luke to Punt rd.
Luke Beverage: Ok, So where are all the fast players?
B.G: Nothing to worry about, our crack team is on it.
Francis is inside watching some videos on his trusty Betamax & Blair is signing Stanton & Pears as we speak.
L.B: I'd like to trade out some players for quality draft picks Vickery & Brandon Ellis are high on my list as they have some currency but my list is quite long, do you want to see (interrupted)...
B.G: no no no. Luke, there's one thing you must understand here at The Stability Centre, we don't let people go, granted we were sad to see Dimma leave us, as he probably had a job for life, but we just don't trade quality blokes. I mean Brandon will be a fine accountant one day, why would you trade that? And Ty, he could do my job now he's that bloody smart. Don't you worry, we will look after the list you just do your best to get us in that eighth position, that's all our supporters want.
L.B. :facepalm
:lol
PS. I don't think FJ was savvy enough to use a Betamax. He thought VHS was better….. :whistle
Did you enjoy watching Jaws, Rocky & Star Wars over and over again before realising you paid 300 bucks for a clock?
There was a little known video store in Greensborough that had almost all titles in betamax. :shh :shh
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Collingwood look good couple years
Good work Buckley
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l put my full support behind Hardwick to get us through this slump.
The players are too blame & no-one else. Players like Houli, Martin, B & C Ellis, Maric, just a few well below their game last night.
What l see out on the ground is Richmond players being slaughtered in the marking contests. Richmond defenders spoiling each other hence Rance spoiling Houli who should have marked the ball which resulted in the spill & goal. This happens weekly in defence & forward 50's. Players losing their footing at crucial moments of the game when we could easy had scored goals. Riewoldt having 2 or 3 players to battle with so why go to him when we have 2 players free. This is solely on the playing group to get things right.
Melbourne were good last night & have been all year. They deserved to win but we should have been closer, had we not missed crucial shots on goals that a average footballer should get. That is where we lose momentum & the game. The players need to do extra work to get on top of this. Hardwick should stop players coming off after kicking goals. l hate watching this every week. Do the interchange when the play is on the interchange wing.
Players HE GOT.
Look at he ones we let slip by.
That should confirm any doubts he's very responsible.
It's a job of extensive tesponsibility.......
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I loved the comment about how "we locked it in our fwd line for long enough periods, just disappointed we Weren't able to manufacture more goals out of it"
That there ladies and gents is the Richmond way of football, lock the ball into our fwd line and manufacture goals from there.
:clapping
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I loved the comment about how "we locked it in our fwd line for long enough periods, just disappointed we Weren't able to manufacture more goals out of it"
That there ladies and gents is the Richmond way of football, lock the ball into our fwd line and manufacture goals from there.
:clapping
Meanwhile Norf are playing that awful slingshot footy and remain undefeated.... :whistle
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Norf :shh
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This is like Dumma still studying Clarksons 2007 playbook blueprint...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrwZORNA-k0&sns=em
OR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=257Cmj0s2q8
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He iis clearly inferior as a coach in this competition and has taken our club into no mansland in the past 3 years.
The only thing worse than getting torched by sides like Carlton and Adelaide is getting beaten by a breath.
Football isn't about progress, it is about results.
That's the thing about anger, frustration, tears etc it produces a clarity of thinking.
Sack the bum!
:bow
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Wtf where did this thread come from
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Wtf where did this thread come from
People were saying close to identical things fours years ago
Tick
Tock
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Is Michael M looking for a job?
Alex Rance suspension: Two-game ban 'over the top', Mick Malthouse claims
Date April 27, 2016 - 10:01AM
Linda Pearce
Mick Malthouse has labelled Alex Rance's two-week suspension for elbowing the head of Melbourne forward Jack Watts as "over the top", with the former premiership coach suggesting the Richmond star's standing in the game should have earned him a warning from AFL football operations chief Mark Evans.
"I think that three weeks for that is just ludicrous, and to be reduced to two... he'll cop the two, but two weeks is far too much for that," Malthouse said on SEN.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/alex-rance-suspension-twogame-ban-over-the-top-mick-malthouse-claims-20160426-gofrp1.html#ixzz46zX53LTw
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All of you need to read this!!
http://titusoreily.com/3249-2/
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Pfft.....our dopey administration would probably do that on purpose....
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All of you need to read this!!
http://titusoreily.com/3249-2/
:lol
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Pfft.....our dopey administration would probably do that on purpose....
:clapping :snidegrin
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Win or lose
Several aspects look rather bleak currently
Slow. Untalented. Poor Game plan.
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SACK HOME NOW THE PLAYERS DONT PLAY FOR HIM ANYMORE!
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SACK HOME NOW THE PLAYERS DONT PLAY FOR HIM ANYMORE!
PARDON
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Hardwick on the phone with 8 minutes to go and 33pts down, who the hell is he talking to.
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Get Hardwick on the phone now & tell him Mick Malthouse has applied for his job. Have Him, :snidegrin Chocco & all the assistants clean there lockers out.
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Get Hardwick on the phone now & tell him Mick Malthouse has applied for his job. Have Him, :snidegrin Chocco & all the assistants clean there lockers out.
I'd actually have Mick just to clean the joint out and build it up again, like Roos at Melbourne but less ego.
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Hardwick on the phone with 8 minutes to go and 33pts down, who the hell is he talking to.
Obviously the bench. Pretending to make a move or something
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Hardwick on the phone with 8 minutes to go and 33pts down, who the hell is he talking to.
Just ordering a pizza for the trip,home
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Nicely disguised loss, won't get 1st draft pick by winning games :clapping
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Hardwick is not just the problem. Clubs lack of ambition is. We have been stooged. Again.
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Sack Hardwick but retain Jackson Hartley and the monkeyball approach will end up just like this tenure.
Ultimately it's all his doing. The list the decision not to target certain players.
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Sack Hardwick but retain Jackson Hartley and the monkeyball approach will end up just like this tenure.
Ultimately it's all his doing. The list the decision not to target certain players.
Sack the whole footy department. Start again!
..........................................AGAIN!
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We have been deceived.
That isn't acceptable.
Heads must roll.
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Hardwicks presser much the same as every other loss.We arent executing and we need to go back to basics.If the players cant hit a target by hand or foot then sorry they are not of AFL standard, unfortunately in our current 22 we have alot of those players. Just turnovers alone are costing us at least 8-9 goals a game, too much to overcome week in week out in a very even competition. We have the wrong list for todays game and the club wont admit it, alot of pain coming for supporters before they finally do.
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I'd actually have Mick just to clean the joint out and build it up again, like Roos at Melbourne but less ego.
LOL
Malthouse has the biggest ego in footy
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He still believes that they are winning the possession count. Let me tell you something Hardwick. The only possession count you are winning & winning in great numbers are your own possessions. That is why your count is so high. You ain't doing any damage to any team. Your whole team causes its own destruction. Over use of the ball uses more energy & the more you run & carry the less energy you have to run out the game or have the ability to stick hard tackles cause the opposition will just brush your weak arms off. You kill yourselves. The opposition don't out run you. They gang up to where you are going. 3 d x 1f. l would have corrected that in the 1st quarter. always run & carry the ball from the kick-ins the same method every time. Opposition knows where to plant there bigs & the crumbers. l laughed when they went down the guts, just lucky they never got that goal. How predictable that we cover the pockets & flanks. 3 kicks to the other end. Why don't we do that more often. Game plan stinks. If you can't see that & Chocco & others can't see that. Walk out the door the lot of you cause that is the problem your looking for. TOO MUCH RUNNING & NOT ENOUGH KICKING Its a kicking game so kick the bloody ball long & direct & use the 200cm forwards. Teach them Maggots how to kick the football from outside 50 metres. Let them use thier own football brains. :banghead
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Mr stats man strikes again with his words of wisdom :clapping
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We have been deceived.
That isn't acceptable.
Heads must roll.
And yet heads won't roll. This we know.
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We have been deceived.
That isn't acceptable.
Heads must roll.
And yet heads won't roll. This we know.
Not right now, no.
You are correct
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Sack him now!
Where are our millionaires to pay him out?
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Was hoping that when i got home from the G that the decision would have been made by now.
:banghead
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Frawley > Hardwick
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Sack him now!
Where are our millionaires to pay him out?
Equalisation fund
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Frawley > Hardwick
Worse mate. Did spud embarrass us in September as well as every other month?
No
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We have been deceived.
That isn't acceptable.
Heads must roll.
And yet heads won't roll. This we know.
Not right now, no.
You are correct
Give him a couple more years
:lol
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The guy HAS to go. No two ways about it >:(
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Who is going to sack him dooks? Peggy softie oneal or Benny fail?
Nothing will happen
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Hardwick has been no good from day one. But for the sake of stability and image we will watch him see out his two year extension.
Two more years of this rubbish! Depressing......
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Who is going to sack him dooks? Peggy softie oneal or Benny fail?
Nothing will happen
Bloke down the pub will fix te problem for 5 large
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I'm sick of the selections.
I'm sick of the game style.
I'm sick of the predictability of the outcome.
And then to have the coach play PR games at his pressers is insulting
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If you don't like it support someone else
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If you don't like it support someone else
And.......
Great to see TWO ruckman playing
Will allow Vickery to play permanent forward
Tiges by 5 goals
Geez Geez
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We have been deceived.
That isn't acceptable.
Heads must roll.
And yet heads won't roll. This we know.
Not right now, no.
You are correct
Give him a couple more years
:lol
What part of my post didn't you understand this time?
Did I say he shouldn't be sacked? NO
All I said is he won't be sacked NOW
::)
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Who is going to sack him dooks? Peggy softie oneal or Benny fail?
Nothing will happen
you clearly have no idea on the mechanisms of a board. none at all.
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We have been deceived.
That isn't acceptable.
Heads must roll.
And yet heads won't roll. This we know.
Not right now, no.
You are correct
Give him a couple more years
:lol
What part of my post didn't you understand this time?
Did I say he shouldn't be sacked? NO
All I said is he won't be sacked NOW
::)
i comprehend what you say
and yet what you say is stupid
#CircusFC
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Who is going to sack him dooks? Peggy softie oneal or Benny fail?
Nothing will happen
you clearly have no idea on the mechanisms of a board. none at all.
No worries Eddie McGuire
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Who is going to sack him dooks? Peggy softie oneal or Benny fail?
Nothing will happen
you clearly have no idea on the mechanisms of a board. none at all.
No worries Eddie McGuire
Clocks have mechanisms.
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Goodbye Damien Dimwit. Pay this idiot out.
Players fault? How? Are the players good enough? 6 games ago we lost a Elim final to North Melbourne. Could have and should have won it with a bit more composure.
6 games on, we are 1 and 5. North Melbourne are 6 and 0.
Difference in personal:
Rich: Haven't had LIDs and Lost Newman.
North: Gained Wells.
You can't tell me that those differences equal what we have been served up with the year. Players are clearly at best a mid table side. We are out of form yes but if we had some clear direction and some sense of a game plan we'd be in a much better position instead of being season over.
Hardwick get stuffed along with your entire team.
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"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
9 Demons 12 6 3 3 0 102.20
10 Suns 12 6 3 3 0 94.96
11 Power 12 6 3 3 0 89.71
12 Saints 8 6 2 4 0 88.48
13 Magpies 8 6 2 4 0 78.65
14 Blues 8 6 2 4 0 73.48
15 Tigers 4 6 1 5 0 74.61
16 Lions 4 6 1 5 0 70.79
17 Bombers 4 6 1 5 0 61.95
18 Dockers 0 6 0 6 0 69.13
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Basically said his morning he won't be playing the kids. #halfstep #supercoach #derwood #sevenofnine
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Do we rename the thread sack the assistant coaches?
Delusional :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
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"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
9 Demons 12 6 3 3 0 102.20
10 Suns 12 6 3 3 0 94.96
11 Power 12 6 3 3 0 89.71
12 Saints 8 6 2 4 0 88.48
13 Magpies 8 6 2 4 0 78.65
14 Blues 8 6 2 4 0 73.48
15 Tigers 4 6 1 5 0 74.61
16 Lions 4 6 1 5 0 70.79
17 Bombers 4 6 1 5 0 61.95
18 Dockers 0 6 0 6 0 69.13
How shocking is that the blues a on more wins lol :facepalm
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"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
9 Demons 12 6 3 3 0 102.20
10 Suns 12 6 3 3 0 94.96
11 Power 12 6 3 3 0 89.71
12 Saints 8 6 2 4 0 88.48
13 Magpies 8 6 2 4 0 78.65
14 Blues 8 6 2 4 0 73.48
15 Tigers 4 6 1 5 0 74.61
16 Lions 4 6 1 5 0 70.79
17 Bombers 4 6 1 5 0 61.95
18 Dockers 0 6 0 6 0 69.13
Lolz
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Stuffing joke the personnel at this club.
Self congratulating behindholes
LMAO it couldn't get any worse if they didn't try
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:lol
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Its so bad its hilarious. Effing absurd and bizarre
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I remember when Hardwick was first appointed, the club made much ado about the fact his initial contract was only three years as opposed to the 5 year deals both Frawley & Wallace received, which they conceded were mistakes and were too long. Yet now 7 years with the same coach, who hasn't won a final, being extended to 9 years is being sold as "stability"....
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Get-out clause a worry for Dimma: KB
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
03 May 2016, 12:55PM
Kevin Bartlett is greatly concerned that a reported get-out clause included in Richmond coach Damien Hardwick’s new contract means that his future is very uncertain.
A horrific start to the season has the Tigers scrambling to find some form and also devise a vision they can sell to the supporter base that the short-term future is still a positive one.
“Now, after reading Patrick Smith in The Australian today I’m worried about Damien Hardwick’s future as coach of Richmond,” said Bartlett on SEN radio.
“Patrick tells us the two-year extension the Tigers gave their coach has an escape clause for the club.
“That tells me that extension was given without full confidence in their man.
“Yesterday I said the decision to extend Hardwick’s contract was an inspired one, for it took the heat off the coach and onto other aspects of the club.
“But now it’s the coach who is under the pump.
“The next two games against Hawthorn and Sydney could be life and death for Hardwick – the players better respond and lift their output.”
The former Tigers star believes this changes the whole dynamic surrounding the amount of pressure Hardwick is actually on to immediately win games.
“Well, it has surprised me, I think that would surprise most Richmond fans,” said Bartlett.
“This changes the whole scenario for the club, the games coming up, the win/loss ratio because they can tip out the coach.”
Patrick Smith suggested that the get-out clause for the club was not as dramatic and that it could still have been included with the board having their full support of the coach.
“Yes there is, but a get-out clause in a coach’s contract means nothing much given they’re sacked every second week anyway,” he said.
“It doesn’t take a get-out clause to move on a coach… it can save some money… but I don’t think anybody would expect Dimma to be there next year if they finish four and eighteen or something.
“I think they’re just clever, protecting themselves.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/04-16/get-out-clause-a-worry-for-dimma-kb
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:shh
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:shh
:shh :shh
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Get-out clause a worry for Dimma: KB
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
03 May 2016, 12:55PM
Kevin Bartlett is greatly concerned that a reported get-out clause included in Richmond coach Damien Hardwick’s new contract means that his future is very uncertain.
A horrific start to the season has the Tigers scrambling to find some form and also devise a vision they can sell to the supporter base that the short-term future is still a positive one.
“Now, after reading Patrick Smith in The Australian today I’m worried about Damien Hardwick’s future as coach of Richmond,” said Bartlett on SEN radio.
“Patrick tells us the two-year extension the Tigers gave their coach has an escape clause for the club.
“That tells me that extension was given without full confidence in their man.
“Yesterday I said the decision to extend Hardwick’s contract was an inspired one, for it took the heat off the coach and onto other aspects of the club.
“But now it’s the coach who is under the pump.
“The next two games against Hawthorn and Sydney could be life and death for Hardwick – the players better respond and lift their output.”
The former Tigers star believes this changes the whole dynamic surrounding the amount of pressure Hardwick is actually on to immediately win games.
“Well, it has surprised me, I think that would surprise most Richmond fans,” said Bartlett.
“This changes the whole scenario for the club, the games coming up, the win/loss ratio because they can tip out the coach.”
Patrick Smith suggested that the get-out clause for the club was not as dramatic and that it could still have been included with the board having their full support of the coach.
“Yes there is, but a get-out clause in a coach’s contract means nothing much given they’re sacked every second week anyway,” he said.
“It doesn’t take a get-out clause to move on a coach… it can save some money… but I don’t think anybody would expect Dimma to be there next year if they finish four and eighteen or something.
“I think they’re just clever, protecting themselves.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/04-16/get-out-clause-a-worry-for-dimma-kb
Has the little prick apologized to Dusty yet?
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Mr hardwick today:
" I am incredibly happy with the state of our list "
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"just a speed bump..."
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incredibly
ɪnˈkrɛdɪbli/
adverb
1.
to a great degree; extremely.
"Michele was incredibly brave"
2.
used to introduce a statement that is hard to believe; strangely.
"incredibly, he was still alive"
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Will richmond win a grand final with key components of the hardwick "best 22"
Including
Hampson
Chaplin
Grigg
One of Morris Townsend hunt
Houli
No?
So why are you so stoked with life damien?
No bedroom talk that press conference. Shame
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(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/08/sallyrobbinsmain_wideweb__470x274,0.jpg)
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I'm so angry >:(
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I've kicked the crap out of the cat
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I burnt a Hardwick effigy.
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(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/7/74/BeakerHands.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120626193657)
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(http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/images/geuu_02_img0400.jpg)
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Blobbo:
"Richmond are irrelevant @ 1-6"
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Can anyone confirm if Hardwick has been sacked yet?
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What about sheeds?
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Looks like his speech did wonders down at nuna :o
Glen Waverley Hawks 47.23-305 Nunawading 0.0-0
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He was hired for an inspirational chat pre game? Lol
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Can anyone confirm if Hardwick has been sacked yet?
Can confirm a two year contract extension, with no get out clause and he will not be held accountable.
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Not true.
Wat will hold him accountable, he just wont say how
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Can anyone confirm if Hardwick has been sacked yet?
Can confirm a two year contract extension, with no get out clause and he will not be held accountable.
Unfortunately this is true!
Can the member get the board and coach sacked anymore?
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not the coach directly, but the board, yes.
Why dont you get the ball rolling?
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Petition?
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:lol
right, that'll do it
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On the 'rumour file' today it was stated that Dimma is just keeping the seat warm for Roos......I could live with that if his sole purpose over the next 2 seasons is to get games into the kids, tank, and build up a supply of high draft picks. In the meantime I will root for the doggies and Trump.
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Don't want Roo's near our club
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Don't want Roo's near our club
Why
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Don't want Roo's near our club
I don't like his greed too but he has turned things around at Melbourne big time. Even if it wasn't him, he has brought people around him that have done the job. Either way, he's no fool and would get the job done.
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Don't want Roo's near our club
I don't like his greed too but he has turned things around at Melbourne big time. Even if it wasn't him, he has brought people around him that have done the job. Either way, he's no fool and would get the job done.
He went ok at Sydney too
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Don't want Roo's near our club
I don't like his greed too but he has turned things around at Melbourne big time. Even if it wasn't him, he has brought people around him that have done the job. Either way, he's no fool and would get the job done.
He's had a good month. Let's not forget that they lost to Essendon this year and his overall record stands at 14 wins from 49 games in return for $3 million.
And they love him.
Paul Ruse - he's been a master of it at Melbourne.
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Don't want Roo's near our club
I don't like his greed too but he has turned things around at Melbourne big time. Even if it wasn't him, he has brought people around him that have done the job. Either way, he's no fool and would get the job done.
He's had a good month. Let's not forget that they lost to Essendon this year and his overall record stands at 14 wins from 49 games in return for $3 million.
And they love him.
Paul Ruse - he's been a master of it at Melbourne.
The melbourne list looks in a very good place currently ...Regardless of games won he has set if up well for the medium To long term future ... He was starting from a low base too. Roos would be a gigantic improvement on hardwick.
I feel like Richmond has an ok midfield and forward line potentially. Need a few more chess pieces like depth, key position player at each end, ruckman ... Hes proven twice he can build the blocks required. Like YB says if he helps to get the right people as assistant coaches, people to fix the list that is half the battle ... Pay him any bag of money he wants
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Goodwin's the real reason Melbourne have turned around.... :shh
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Goodwin's the real reason Melbourne have turned around.... :shh
Well get roos as director of football or 'senior' assistant coach and get him to groom the next Goodwin
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BOYS BOYS BOYS, DELETE THIS THREAD. THERE IS NO WAY DIMWIT IS GOING ANYWHERE FOR AT LEAST 12 MONTHS.
FACT!!
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BOYS BOYS BOYS, DELETE THIS THREAD. THERE IS NO WAY DIMWIT IS GOING ANYWHERE FOR AT LEAST 12 MONTHS.
FACT!!
We have accepted that.
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BOYS BOYS BOYS, DELETE THIS THREAD. THERE IS NO WAY DIMWIT IS GOING ANYWHERE FOR AT LEAST 12 MONTHS.
FACT!!
If things don't improve then replacing the board will become a distinct possibility and with it Hardwick.
So don't be so sure.
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Goodwin's the real reason Melbourne have turned around.... :shh
I heard from someone at Melbourne that Goodwin is the best person he has dealt with in footy in his time at AFL level. Big call but he was adiment.
He is adiment Goodwin will be a star coach...
Also heard that they have targeted a curtain type of midfielder at the draft under Roos.
Can you guess what it is?
Jack Viney
Bernie Vince
Christian Petracca
Angus Brayshaw
Arron Vandenberg
Clayton Oliver
I'll give you a clue- BEllis is the opposite.
A bit like the Swans midfield under Roos.
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Goodwin's the real reason Melbourne have turned around.... :shh
I heard from someone at Melbourne that Goodwin is the best person he has dealt with in footy in his time at AFL level. Big call but he was adiment.
He is adiment Goodwin will be a star coach...
Also heard that they have targeted a curtain type of midfielder at the draft under Roos.
Can you guess what it is?
Jack Viney
Bernie Vince
Christian Petracca
Angus Brayshaw
Arron Vandenberg
Clayton Oliver
I'll give you a clue- BEllis is the opposite.
A bit like the Swans midfield under Roos.
Understand and not arguing.
But i reckon if ellis was at the dees he would be the same. I feel that our coaches are coaching these players to be soft.
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Goodwin's the real reason Melbourne have turned around.... :shh
I heard from someone at Melbourne that Goodwin is the best person he has dealt with in footy in his time at AFL level. Big call but he was adiment.
He is adiment Goodwin will be a star coach...
Also heard that they have targeted a curtain type of midfielder at the draft under Roos.
Can you guess what it is?
Jack Viney
Bernie Vince
Christian Petracca
Angus Brayshaw
Arron Vandenberg
Clayton Oliver
I'll give you a clue- BEllis is the opposite.
A bit like the Swans midfield under Roos.
Understand and not arguing.
But i reckon if ellis was at the dees he would be the same. I feel that our coaches are coaching these players to be soft.
As the great man Andrew Gaze would say "come on maaaan!!"
Let me guess, Houli would be too. :bow
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Another damning article on the club found at http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/afl/richmond-and-collingwood-in-purgatory-as-dismal-afl-form-continues/ar-BBsMdvy?OCID=HPCDHP
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BOYS BOYS BOYS, DELETE THIS THREAD. THERE IS NO WAY DIMWIT IS GOING ANYWHERE FOR AT LEAST 12 MONTHS.
FACT!!
If things don't improve then replacing the board will become a distinct possibility and with it Hardwick.
So don't be so sure.
Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Things will " improve" as they will finish the year on 10 wins and all inside those pathetic 4 walls will continue to feed us dribble over summer.
This club is all about individuals nothing else or they would all do the right thing and walk away.
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
Where's Joe Russo when you need him?
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
i always vote son but my candidate never wins. lol
i hope everyone here votes too
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
Where's Joe Russo when you need him?
just sitting back on his deck chair wondering how this joke of a club extended this duds contract by another 2 years
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Think the focus needs to shift. Won't get rid of Hardwick while Benny and Peggy sit safely in their glass castles.
Need to bring the walls down around them.
Her "certainty" that she was right to extend Hardwick's contract proves that performance is irrelevant to her. The only objective "certainty" for anyone that has watched Richmond is that Hardwick can't coach. They can't play that badly, consistently against reserve teams and pretend otherwise. its insulting.
Presidency is beyond Peggy.
Benny believes we are a middle of the road side when we have our best team on the park. Only problem is, he has done nothing to change that. Preseason was an indictment on the ineptitude of the football club.
The fish rots from the head down. Need to start at the top and work our way down to Hardwick.
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is this more internet hero words or are you actually going to do something about it?
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
Where's Joe Russo when you need him?
just sitting back on his deck chair wondering how this joke of a club extended this duds contract by another 2 years
considerin he said he thought hardwick was doing a good job and was a good coach, thats not as likely as you may may assume.
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
i always vote son but my candidate never wins. lol
i hope everyone here votes too
just shows how little you know if you think casting your vote at the AGM is your only recourse.
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
Where's Joe Russo when you need him?
just sitting back on his deck chair wondering how this joke of a club extended this duds contract by another 2 years
Joe was a Hardwick fan, wanted to retain him. But I'm sure you've heard that but fail to acknowledge it because it doesn't suit your temper tantrum
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
Where's Joe Russo when you need him?
just sitting back on his deck chair wondering how this joke of a club extended this duds contract by another 2 years
considerin he said he thought hardwick was doing a good job and was a good coach, thats not as likely as you may may assume.
you should never assume anything amigo. Just because guiseppe said he liked dimwit doesnt mean he meant it
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
Where's Joe Russo when you need him?
just sitting back on his deck chair wondering how this joke of a club extended this duds contract by another 2 years
Joe was a Hardwick fan, wanted to retain him. But I'm sure you've heard that but fail to acknowledge it because it doesn't suit your temper tantrum
12 months ago most of you lot were still in love with dimwit now look at you. People change or just lie to get the ticket.
such if life aye
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Why are there two Sack Hardwick threads? Thought I started one in 2013 ...
Seems like this one was in 2012?
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Sack him twice
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Why are there two Sack Hardwick threads?
I agree, there should be 3
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Why are there two Sack Hardwick threads?
I agree, there should be 3
WAT has started about 50 if you want to do a search.
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Why are there two Sack Hardwick threads? Thought I started one in 2013 ...
Seems like this one was in 2012?
Because people like you don't post in the relevant threads and just start new ones to look like you've had an original idea
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Why are there two Sack Hardwick threads? Thought I started one in 2013 ...
Seems like this one was in 2012?
Look at the thread title torch... key word in it says MERGED
Which means there were 2 threads and they got merged into 1 thread
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I thought it meant we've merged with Albury
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Absolutely no chance dimwit or the board will go. Why?
Because there are a lot of people who love jumping up and down and stamping their feet, but wont put their words into actions.
Where's Joe Russo when you need him?
just sitting back on his deck chair wondering how this joke of a club extended this duds contract by another 2 years
considerin he said he thought hardwick was doing a good job and was a good coach, thats not as likely as you may may assume.
you should never assume anything amigo. Just because guiseppe said he liked dimwit doesnt mean he meant it
so your second assumption is he lied?
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Reckon some people should listen to Roo's interview on 360 :shh
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Reckon some people should listen to Roo's interview on 360 :shh
Same thing he said last time just it? Just give him some money
It'd be better to hve roos in a director of footy type role helping a young coach like Bolton, Goodwin
Funny about 90% of the noise is centred around buckey / Eddie / the pies
Dimma is worse than bad... He's hardly worthy of speaking about
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Reckon some people should listen to Roo's interview on 360 :shh
Meaning???
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i think he was referring to people who would listen and comprehend what roos said.
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I like the way he develops the youth. The possible benefit is that some of them will play 100 games and marry a competent female player and have 5 kids the 5th of whom will be a great player. So in about 30 years we will have a great team. The will all be called Damien and with surnames like Hunt, Bachelor, Griffiths, Hampson, Vickery, Grigg, Townsend, Moore, Ellis, Lennon, Morris etc we will be assured of an award of some kind.
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Which reminds me! Will Richo ever have any kids?
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i think he was referring to people who would listen and comprehend what roos said.
Oh good, it's brains to the rescue :help
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Why did he make all the changes in the second half.....why???
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Because he is a clueless knob that's why. The whole kick backwards crap doesn't work because Sydney push up and we can't move it fast enough. Anyone with half a brain can see that
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Because he is a clueless knob that's why. The whole kick backwards crap doesn't work because Sydney push up and we can't move it fast enough. Anyone with half a brain can see that
yep, thats been happening all season, footy has changed. We went back to slow deliberate play tonight, got off the lead for a qtr and sydney have pulled it back quick smart. Wheres plan b dimmer? :lol NFI lets go back to trying to play fast footy and turning it over (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d7/5a/28/d75a284ab304e99f3474c51b32aff565.jpg)
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His decision to bench Hampson killed us..... He is pathetic, Hardwick....just stuffing leave.
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Hardwick will panic and go defensive, will cost us the game
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Ok let's close this thread for a week. Back open again Saturday week
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They will never sack this idiot now ..
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They will never sack this idiot now ..
Send him off on a high??
:gotigers
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No, I am sticking with what I said, the changes he made after half time and the benching of Hampson at a critical time nearly handed the Swans the game. Last week he took Vickery off when we had a roll on....he can't keep making these mistakes.
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No, I am sticking with what I said, the changes he made after half time and the benching of Hampson at a critical time nearly handed the Swans the game.
We won, so how did he exactly hand them the game?
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No, I am sticking with what I said, the changes he made after half time and the benching of Hampson at a critical time nearly handed the Swans the game. Last week he took Vickery off when we had a roll on....he can't keep making these mistakes.
It's amazing how many in the crowd were saying get Hampson back on when Vickery went into the ruck
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No, I am sticking with what I said, the changes he made after half time and the benching of Hampson at a critical time nearly handed the Swans the game.
We won, so how did he exactly hand them the game?
You are not worth replying to, It's clear you have no idea about the game, that is showing up regularly now!!
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No, I am sticking with what I said, the changes he made after half time and the benching of Hampson at a critical time nearly handed the Swans the game.
We won, so how did he exactly hand them the game?
You are not worth replying to, It's clear you have no idea about the game, that is showing up regularly now!!
Not sure what my comment even has to do with my knowledge of the game :lol. I wouldn't be the one throwing stones in a glass house :lol :lol
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No, I am sticking with what I said, the changes he made after half time and the benching of Hampson at a critical time nearly handed the Swans the game.
We won, so how did he exactly hand them the game?
You are not worth replying to, It's clear you have no idea about the game, that is showing up regularly now!!
Not sure what my comment even has to do with the game :lol. I wouldn't be the one throwing stones in a glass house :lol :lol
Not a clue!!
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did anyone see or hear his presser after the game? When someone asked about taking risks at the end bc of time he turned around and said (adlib) "yeah, thats something we'll look at, not sure we want blind kicks up the corridor, we had a lucky bounce this time whereas we prefer to work it through the correct channels and if we run out of time then so be it"
I'm in utter disbelief, if anything it should highlight that a quick kick is sometimes a good option, fortune favours the brave/make your own luck etc I havent met a defender that enjoys quick long kicks coming in
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Yep....we won in spite of this clown, not because of him....
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did anyone see or hear his presser after the game? When someone asked about taking risks at the end bc of time he turned around and said (adlib) "yeah, thats something we'll look at, not sure we want blind kicks up the corridor, we had a lucky bounce this time whereas we prefer to work it through the correct channels and if we run out of time then so be it"
I'm in utter disbelief, if anything it should highlight that a quick kick is sometimes a good option, fortune favours the brave/make your own luck etc I havent met a defender that enjoys quick long kicks coming in
And when asked why Jack isn't in the leadership group he then criticises Jack for his "off field" issues and then trying to make a joke about it to cover up what he said. Idiot!
What is he talking about, what off field leadership issues???
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Looked good when we took the game on, but to be honest the game plan is terrible.
How many times we had to stop because there is no one forward of the ball.
Anyone disagree and think the game plan is right?
I also think we need to use the middle. We are not using it enough, I think confidence is the key and we will start using it. But need to make sure the right ball users are making the kick. Eg chaplin, hunt and bellis.
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Looked good when we took the game on, but to be honest the game plan is terrible.
How many times we had to stop because there is no one forward of the ball.
Anyone disagree and think the game plan is right?
Probably a good question for WP. Was this the game plan implemented properly? If so, is it as good applied as it is in theory? Or were we still making too many mistakes in regard to following the game plan?
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Mr hardwick has evolved to his final form - gone from talking rubbish , to blatantly telling lies
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Go bombers
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Bolton yet another Clarkson disciple delivering immediate results.....just our luck to get the one of them who can't coach....
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They have gone past us
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Great.
Now we have the Bolton vs Hardwick discussion to go with the Tambling vs Franklin discussion.
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I just don't think this 'don't kick many goals' gameplan is going to win us a flag
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Stability :clapping
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Batchelor, Astbury and Chaplin all stuffen slow pathetic spuds in the same backline. Dud wick is a stuffen moron.
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Going forward outlet footy team you know .... Going forward ... A few things to work on ... You know
A few things??? Don't mention the war!
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This week, he was out coached by an assistant :thumbsup
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Ultimate responsibility for assembling a team that's key pillars include
Chaplin
Hamspud
Grigg
Houli
Morris
And a number of other questionable types lays on mr hardwick
His mission to not give young, talented options along the way is selfish
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This week, he was out coached by an assistant :thumbsup
...and next week he'll probably be out coached by washed up Rocket...
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....and then his former assistant the week after....
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...and then a shop assistant at his kid's match the following week....
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(http://www.blackenterprise.com/files/2010/09/mediocrity.jpg)
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Contested ball excuse.
At the point when we were 60 points down. We were losing contested ball by only 8 stats. Not sure how 8 more contested possessions equal a 10 goal lead but I think Dimma is missing something here.
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Contested ball excuse.
At the point when we were 60 points down. We were losing contested ball by only 8 stats. Not sure how 8 more contested possessions equal a 10 goal lead but I think Dimma is missing something here.
Footy nous
.......& he lost his blueprint to success.
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The guy is a moron. Has no idea
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(http://www.evilenglish.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/1318896743_towel.jpg)
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Contested ball excuse.
At the point when we were 60 points down. We were losing contested ball by only 8 stats. Not sure how 8 more contested possessions equal a 10 goal lead but I think Dimma is missing something here.
And yet no one in the media has the balls or the nous to question this pretender on this rubbish
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(http://www.evilenglish.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/1318896743_towel.jpg)
:lol :clapping :clapping
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(https://i.imgur.com/Mah310C.jpg)
I don't know what I'm doing
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From the judd seven idiots article:
The key roles in a football department are senior coach, captain, football manager, list manager, head of development, head of fitness and head of player welfare. If I were running an underperforming club, the first step I'd take would be to analyse whether any of those seven people had a different set of values to the club's. To put this in layman's terms, are any of them idiots? If any are, even if they are elite performers, plans should be made to show them the door as soon as it's appropriate.
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-season-2016-chris-judd-struggling-clubs-must-look-beyond-quickfix-no-1--sack-the-coach-20160616-gpkd40.html
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lmao @ not being able to quote a mainstream media article word for word.
even though, you can be a d head, or idiot, but still have the same values as the club.
i cant quite work out how some one that is performing to an elite level is the cause of an under performing club.
Maybe Chris Judd is a bigger d head than i thought?
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I'm not sure. Maybe if their values are different to the clubs than they lose respect
From the players and staff. Maybe the coach can be performing at an elite level strategies and so forth but the players can't execute because they don't respect or believe their coach.
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I'm not sure. Maybe if their values are different to the clubs than they lose respect
From the players and staff. Maybe the coach can be performing at an elite level strategies and so forth but the players can't execute because they don't respect or believe their coach.
Or because they are not good enough to perform those strategies.....
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surely the interview process determines prospective employees values in relation to their own?
Can performance be regarded as elite if it goes down a different path to what the club wants?
::)
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:facepalm
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yes, we all know by now that simple, logical concepts do your primitive head in
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:birthday
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says a club boycott of radio station Triple M has "probably served its purpose", and it appears likely to only be a one-week ban.
:-\
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lmao @ not being able to quote a mainstream media article word for word.
even though, you can be a d head, or idiot, but still have the same values as the club.
i cant quite work out how some one that is performing to an elite level is the cause of an under performing club.
Maybe Chris Judd is a bigger d head than i thought?
After reading the article I totally understand that you can perform at an elite level but still be an idiot.
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I am so sick of watching this crap week in, week out.
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A commentator during the TV coverage today made a comment that we played like the Harlem Globetrotters at times. I totally agree with this, the difference being the Globetrotters intentionally over possess in order to put a show on for the spectators. We on the other hand unfortunately have been so brainwashed as a team with methods and strategies that we now don't have a common sense/natural instinct approach at all.
At times today as we entered attacking 50 its was like a training drill where they had to pass it 4 times before a player was allowed to shoot for goal. For God sake if you are running inside 50 have a friggin shot. Do players get punished if they don't manage to get to a teammate 10 metres out and have 10 possessions inside 50 before doing so? Seems like they are deadset scared to take responsibility and ram it through the big white sticks.
I think we need to have a coach that says take them on, if you think you can nail the shot then take it, so many times today we over possessed the ball only for it to transition up the other end for a goal. Against better teams our inside 50s destroy us every week because we consistently turn it over. If Hardwick and his excuse for assistants cant see that then they all need to take a permanent holiday.
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A commentator during the TV coverage today made a comment that we played like the Harlem Globetrotters at times. I totally agree with this, the difference being the Globetrotters intentionally over possess in order to put a show on for the spectators. We on the other hand unfortunately have been so brainwashed as a team with methods and strategies that we now don't have a common sense/natural instinct approach at all.
At times today as we entered attacking 50 its was like a training drill where they had to pass it 4 times before a player was allowed to shoot for goal. For God sake if you are running inside 50 have a friggin shot. Do players get punished if they don't manage to get to a teammate 10 metres out and have 10 possessions inside 50 before doing so? Seems like they are deadset scared to take responsibility and ram it through the big white sticks.
I think we need to have a coach that says take them on, if you think you can nail the shot then take it, so many times today we over possessed the ball only for it to transition up the other end for a goal. Against better teams our inside 50s destroy us every week because we consistently turn it over. If Hardwick and his excuse for assistants cant see that then they all need to take a permanent holiday.
I think the sheer number of duds bring reiwoldt level down at times
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A commentator during the TV coverage today made a comment that we played like the Harlem Globetrotters at times. I totally agree with this, the difference being the Globetrotters intentionally over possess in order to put a show on for the spectators. We on the other hand unfortunately have been so brainwashed as a team with methods and strategies that we now don't have a common sense/natural instinct approach at all.
At times today as we entered attacking 50 its was like a training drill where they had to pass it 4 times before a player was allowed to shoot for goal. For God sake if you are running inside 50 have a friggin shot. Do players get punished if they don't manage to get to a teammate 10 metres out and have 10 possessions inside 50 before doing so? Seems like they are deadset scared to take responsibility and ram it through the big white sticks.
I think we need to have a coach that says take them on, if you think you can nail the shot then take it, so many times today we over possessed the ball only for it to transition up the other end for a goal. Against better teams our inside 50s destroy us every week because we consistently turn it over. If Hardwick and his excuse for assistants cant see that then they all need to take a permanent holiday.
I think the sheer number of duds bring reiwoldt level down at times
And we never ever kick it to the "fat" side inside our forward 50. Makes us really easy to defend against. We are boring to watch.
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A commentator during the TV coverage today made a comment that we played like the Harlem Globetrotters at times. I totally agree with this, the difference being the Globetrotters intentionally over possess in order to put a show on for the spectators. We on the other hand unfortunately have been so brainwashed as a team with methods and strategies that we now don't have a common sense/natural instinct approach at all.
At times today as we entered attacking 50 its was like a training drill where they had to pass it 4 times before a player was allowed to shoot for goal. For God sake if you are running inside 50 have a friggin shot. Do players get punished if they don't manage to get to a teammate 10 metres out and have 10 possessions inside 50 before doing so? Seems like they are deadset scared to take responsibility and ram it through the big white sticks.
I think we need to have a coach that says take them on, if you think you can nail the shot then take it, so many times today we over possessed the ball only for it to transition up the other end for a goal. Against better teams our inside 50s destroy us every week because we consistently turn it over. If Hardwick and his excuse for assistants cant see that then they all need to take a permanent holiday.
I think the sheer number of duds bring reiwoldt level down at times
And we never ever kick it to the "fat" side inside our forward 50. Makes us really easy to defend against. We are boring to watch.
Not "the Richmond Way".
It's a coaching panel directive to kick it to the pockets at every opportunity.
God forbid they kick it to the advantage of our forwards. :rollin
Did you like the run and carry of Menadue today? Enjoy it whilst it lasts, if this mob have its way he'll be kicking it backwards & sideways like the rest of them.
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A commentator during the TV coverage today made a comment that we played like the Harlem Globetrotters at times. I totally agree with this, the difference being the Globetrotters intentionally over possess in order to put a show on for the spectators. We on the other hand unfortunately have been so brainwashed as a team with methods and strategies that we now don't have a common sense/natural instinct approach at all.
At times today as we entered attacking 50 its was like a training drill where they had to pass it 4 times before a player was allowed to shoot for goal. For God sake if you are running inside 50 have a friggin shot. Do players get punished if they don't manage to get to a teammate 10 metres out and have 10 possessions inside 50 before doing so? Seems like they are deadset scared to take responsibility and ram it through the big white sticks.
I think we need to have a coach that says take them on, if you think you can nail the shot then take it, so many times today we over possessed the ball only for it to transition up the other end for a goal. Against better teams our inside 50s destroy us every week because we consistently turn it over. If Hardwick and his excuse for assistants cant see that then they all need to take a permanent holiday.
I think the sheer number of duds bring reiwoldt level down at times
And we never ever kick it to the "fat" side inside our forward 50. Makes us really easy to defend against. We are boring to watch.
Not "the Richmond Way".
It's a coaching panel directive to kick it to the pockets at every opportunity.
God forbid they kick it to the advantage of our forwards. :rollin
Did you like the run and carry of Menadue today? Enjoy it whilst it lasts, if this mob have its way he'll be kicking it backwards & sideways like the rest of them.
yep, halfwit is on record several times saying this, his theory is: Its harder to get hurt on the rebound when the ball is in the pocket as opposed to kicking to the fat side.
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Almost outcoached by Leppa. Unable to inspire the killer instinct in players.
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Dimma is the form coach of the AFL behind Clarko arm.
Won 5 of his last 6.
Owning the comp atm.
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This Bojo impersonation isn't completed without some of these :dancing or these :shh
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Dimma is the form coach of the AFL behind Clarko arm.
Won 5 of his last 6.
Owning the comp atm.
Makes me so inspired, I just want to go to the tiger store and max out all the cards and adorn myself in tiger merchandise...
Meanwhile real clubs are having a tilt at another flag
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Dimma is the form coach of the AFL behind Clarko arm.
Won 5 of his last 6.
Owning the comp atm.
Unreal!
Go dimmer.
You don't deserve to hold the record for number of games coached without a finals win.
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Dimma is the form coach of the AFL behind Clarko arm.
Won 5 of his last 6.
Owning the comp atm.
Unreal!
Go dimmer.
You don't deserve to hold the record for number of games coached without a finals win.
He'll probably go double the former record. And we are just the team to make it happen
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https://www.facebook.com/AflTradeRumours/
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Seems like a very flimsy source
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I'd love voss
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based on what?
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He's not hardwick
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LMAO
Groundhog Day.
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No thanks on Voss - Brisbane are still reeling from his tenure.
If we are to go down the path of hiring failed ex coaches would rather we resurrect Matty Knights.
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Voss would be disastrous
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As opposed to ...
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Another Port Adelaide person that will only make us worse!
I like the idea of Matty Knights!!
But really, stewie dew is hanging for an opportunity!!!
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Voss isn't really a port person FFs ...
Get voss and dew
Ala Roos / Goodwin
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how do we find the doorway to the the reality where Voss can be compared to Roos in terms of coaching achievements?
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I'd rather roos to voss but that ain't going to happen
Dew would be excellent senior coach choice
Get voss and Matty knights to support him in whatever roles. Keep Choco too
Some potential job titles
Director of football
General Manager of Football (Dan Richardson)
General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management (Blair Hartley)
Development / senior development
Midfield coach
Head of Coaching & Football Performance (Tim Livingstone)
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Wat about WAT? he aint hardwick.
surely he must stack up down the rabbit hole?
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Wat about WAT? he aint hardwick.
surely he must stack up down the rabbit hole?
Topic..
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MYOB,
not talking to you, and if you followed the conversation you would see it is on topic
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MYOB,
not talking to you, and if you followed the conversation you would see it is on topic
:lol
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I'd rather roos to voss but that ain't going to happen
Dew would be excellent senior coach choice
Get voss and Matty knights to support him in whatever roles. Keep Choco too
Why?
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MYOB,
not talking to you, and if you followed the conversation you would see it is on topic
Thank you. And dont worry about the interuption - professional victim at play.
I think comparing Voss to Roos is a dangerous passage. Its all about list depth to date
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TOPIC!!!
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Im sick of wading through crap of posters who spam up the site.
Mods this is ridiculous
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I'm curious about how discussing potential replacements can be regarded as off topic in a sack hardwick thread????????
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It's as on topic as a post can be.
I just think some people are so used to posting off topic they couldn't see an on topic post if they were turkey slapped with it
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TOPIC!!!
Ironic the guy telling people to be on topic is the one that is in fact the only one going off topic
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This guy. :rollin.
Give him another 2 year extension just for the cream on the top. Make Lade co coach he is that good.
The blue print to success is a winner.
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Another brilliant performance from the brains trust tonight. Love the dry weather footy in these conditions
Bc it's all about the process hey dumma?
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Tick tock
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Yes well it really wasn't great conditions for the big guys, I thought Vickers contested well given the odds weren't in his favour.....get ready for the BS from Hardwick in the presser.
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SACK ALL THE COACHES NOW or at the end of the season.
Broad ... horrible
Maric ... horrible
Vickery ... 6 weeks with less than 10 disposals
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Can't help but feel that Hardwick coached best in 2012. It started going off in 2013 but the maturation of the side meant we had better results.
2014 was the start of the end. Stop start football meant the attractive brand we played earlier went out the door.
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Can't help but feel that Hardwick coached best in 2012. It started going off in 2013 but the maturation of the side meant we had better results.
2014 was the start of the end. Stop start football meant the attractive brand we played earlier went out the door.
agree- we were exciting to watch in 2012. I think he over compensated after the 2013 finals loss and tried to make us more defensive which has now morphed into the rubbish we see now
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Can't help but feel that Hardwick coached best in 2012. It started going off in 2013 but the maturation of the side meant we had better results.
2014 was the start of the end. Stop start football meant the attractive brand we played earlier went out the door.
Sorry Y&BB, it was in July 2012 after the Freo loss when everything that afflicts this side was wholly manifested. Check the discussion around post page 84 on my profile. The team who brought us this disaster of a rebuild were evident in their incompetence at that juncture and before. Sack Hardwick yes..but Gale and the sheila should go too, among a raft of others.
Could someone put up a 'sack, swap, secure' thread or something to that affect - I couldn't be stuffed.
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“What I sort of meant that in effect we were introducing some new players, some new positions, some young talent that we’re really excited about,” Hardwick told AFL 360.
“We feel in the footy club now as good a list as I think we’ve had at my disposal since I’ve been there. Some of those players we’re yet to see, some you’ve seen a little bit of and they’re going to be incredible players going forward.”
Despite making three straight elimination finals, Hardwick revealed the club recognised it needed to regenerate the list to take the next step. He anticipated the early season “struggle” that produced six straight losses, starting with a one-point loss to Collingwood in Round 2.
“We made the eight last year but we weren’t good enough, we weren’t good enough the year previous, or the year previous to that so we’ve got to continually find players that are going to take us forward,” he said.
“The definition of insanity is continually going back and making the same mistakes.”
Hardwick said the club’s recruiting strategy was “sound” despite football manager Dan Richardson’s suggestion the list profile had been hurt by trying to fast-track its development.
“We’ve brought some wonderful talent onto our list. Shaun Grigg has been an absolute star, Bachar Houli, Ivan Maric, these type of players have come in and been fantastic servants,” he said.
:o :o :o
“We are starting to see Shaun Hampson be the player we thought he would. We’ve also added some talent through the draft that’s been incredible.”
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#dimmexit
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Worse than Frawley.
Much
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Frawley was a delusional buffoon.
Hardwick is more calculated. Has the hopelessness but is maliciously and deliberately unaccountable
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Translates to Narcissistic personality disorder.
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Tick
Tock
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Would not surprise me if Hardwick walked out on the Tigers saying his had enough of these poo players
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Would not surprise me if Hardwick walked out on the Tigers saying his had enough of these poo players
I'm confused. Are you saying the performances of the playing group has nothing to do with Hardwick?
You know he in his seventh year now.
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Would not surprise me if Hardwick walked out on the Tigers saying his had enough of these poo players
I'm confused. Are you saying the performances of the playing group has nothing to do with Hardwick?
You know he in his seventh year now.
That's exactly what he's saying
Dimma apologist
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If Hardwick walked out, he'd never get another job in top level football again, unless a team wanted a running around in circles, kicking backward and not scoring much gameplan.
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Well done Dimma that was a great win. Extended contact talks very soon ;D
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We are going no where while this guy occupies the coaches box
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Well done Dimma that was a great win. Extended contact talks very soon ;D
So brave
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Well done Dimma that was a great win. Extended contact talks very soon ;D
What a master display of coaching this win was. And who would of thunk it? A 3 goal win against bottom of the ladder.
Jack to the centre bounces was s particular masterstroke.
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Well done Dimma that was a great win. Extended contact talks very soon ;D
What a master display of coaching this win was. And who would of thunk it? A 3 goal win against bottom of the ladder.
Jack to the centre bounces was s particular masterstroke.
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Sack him & bring in Malthouse to shake up the lemon tree
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We need to get Sheedy NOW ASAP
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John Northey
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Sellers almost had a stroke Richmond players continuously don't run forwards (towards goal) but go behind the guy with the ball for one reason or another
I can understand Cotchin doing it cause he is a unique cat and martin a jet and ideally should have the ball - but why after 7 years does everyone do it ?
My assumption is it's part of the hardwick football think tank like kicking to pockets to win throw ins
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Coleman Jack to the back flank. Genius
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Coleman Jack to the back flank. Genius
Do you think they are trying to win games ?
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Dew would be good :)
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Putrid game plan.
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Will grigg. Hunt. Hampson. Conca. B Ellis win a flag at Richmond?
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Will grigg. Hunt. Hampson. Conca. B Ellis win a flag at Richmond?
No but they are apparently great guys
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Coached by a really great guy,
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Will grigg. Hunt. Hampson. Conca. B Ellis win a flag at Richmond?
You are taking it too far including Hampson/Hunt in that list, they are doing their job
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Look, the Hawks will be hard to beat in the GF again this year... :whistle
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Hampsons 4 disposals and 5 clangers have been quality
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Hampsons 4 disposals and 5 clangers have been quality
It's not stats that matter, it is how good he guards ground by not running and his training form, PULL YOUR HEAD IN........FACT
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Hampsons 4 disposals and 5 clangers have been quality
It's not stats that matter, it is how good he guards ground by not running and his training form, PULL YOUR HEAD IN........FACT
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Threads about Hardwick...
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Threads about Hardwick...
Start a new one or two
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Threads about Hardwick...
Clean the place out and start again.
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Just showing us more of those premiership coach attributes hey Benny G
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Has to go
Got no idea
Extremely poorly coached today
Goals are ahead , not lateral
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I think he's finally lost the players.
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Brisbane has passed us. :banghead
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I think he's finally lost the players.
This.
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Has to go
Got no idea
Extremely poorly coached today
Goals are ahead , not lateral
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FHOASAP
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Has to go
Got no idea
Extremely poorly coached today
Goals are ahead , not lateral
To borrow one of your favourite phrases "do actually watch the game"" and "where you there"?
Because I'm pretty sure the side that actaully won by 11 odd goals spent most of the day perfecting lateral movement of the ball. Very rarely did they go direct down the middle.
It's not the lateral movement but the execution of it, you know a pesky little thing called hitting a bloody target and having targets actually moving as opposed to having statues to kick to
Now onto the coach - pathetic display unless hes now coaching fpr the best possible draft pick then he was outstanding.
I rekcon the 1st option is the most likely
This extension he got is the blunder of the season
I think he's finally lost the players.
Possibly but until he loses Benny he stays so he is staying...
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WP, i just want you to know that despite boiling with rage ive (just) managed to keep it together.
I think im ok.
No need to ban me this week.
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WP, i just want you to know that despite boiling with rage ive (just) managed to keep it together.
I think im ok.
No need to ban me this week.
Thanks fpr letting me know
I totally peeved so i might end up banning myself
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Has to go
Got no idea
Extremely poorly coached today
Goals are ahead , not lateral
To borrow one of your favourite phrases "do actually watch the game"" and "where you there"?
Because I'm pretty sure the side that actaully won by 11 odd goals spent most of the day perfecting lateral movement of the ball. Very rarely did they go direct down the middle.
It's not the lateral movement but the execution of it, you know a pesky little thing called hitting a bloody target and having targets actually moving as opposed to having statues to kick to
Now onto the coach - pathetic display unless hes now coaching fpr the best possible draft pick then he was outstanding.
I rekcon the 1st option is the most likely
This extension he got is the blunder of the season
I think he's finally lost the players.
Possibly but until he loses Benny he stays so he is staying...
My comment was about key players being wide and away from goals
That's why we kicked 5 goals the game
Riewoldt should be played 30 metres from goals
They have killed Jack
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Has to go
Got no idea
Extremely poorly coached today
Goals are ahead , not lateral
To borrow one of your favourite phrases "do actually watch the game"" and "where you there"?
Because I'm pretty sure the side that actaully won by 11 odd goals spent most of the day perfecting lateral movement of the ball. Very rarely did they go direct down the middle.
It's not the lateral movement but the execution of it, you know a pesky little thing called hitting a bloody target and having targets actually moving as opposed to having statues to kick to
Now onto the coach - pathetic display unless hes now coaching fpr the best possible draft pick then he was outstanding.
I rekcon the 1st option is the most likely
This extension he got is the blunder of the season
I think he's finally lost the players.
Possibly but until he loses Benny he stays so he is staying...
My comment was about key players being wide and away from goals
That's why we kicked 5 goals the game
Riewoldt should be played 30 metres from goals
They have killed Jack
Time and time again we have seen tigers not being able get the ball past 1/2 way when te other team does a full 'press'.
Jack would of been the only guy in that half of te ground and the ball wouldn't never go there
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WP, players playing poorly or not. The entire place needs a fresh start. 5/6 years of rubbish and mediocrity. It's not worked. Move on we aren't panicking after 1 year of something new. Move on. If there was no contract extension at start of the year he'd have been sacked already.
Place needs a fresh startin coaching and football leadership. Playing group needs a shake up big time. Need to get real, blaming players efforts and energy is part coaches responsibility.
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We were like witches hats at a Hawks training session. I still think our awareness of where to be and which lines to run when in possession is way off and given the time of the season and a long pre season we simply shouldnt be that bad at executing the simple things.
Therefore this can only come back to two things, firstly they are not coached very well or secondly the players are not good enough to execute. Unfortunately for us i think the answer is its a combination of both which makes fixing the problem in the shorter term very tough indeed.
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We were like witches hats at a Hawks training session. I still think our awareness of where to be and which lines to run when in possession is way off and given the time of the season and a long pre season we simply shouldnt be that bad at executing the simple things.
Therefore this can only come back to two things, firstly they are not coached very well or secondly the players are not good enough to execute. Unfortunately for us i think the answer is its a combination of both which makes fixing the problem in the shorter term very tough indeed.
Starts with changing player and coaching groups
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I think he's finally lost the players.
Possibly but until he loses Benny he stays so he is staying...
Seems to only be a vague Big Footy rumour at this stage but possibly glimmer of hope:
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gale-leaving-richmond.1139415/
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Game plan atrocious.
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Too many blokes unable to absorb pressure and just cough the ball up or make poor decisions
Exhibit A - B.Ellis
How Hardwick keeps playing him is beyond belief
Why play Jack on the ball, we don't have a forward that can consistently take marks and kick goals so why isn't he played permanent full forward inside the forward 50 ALWAYS
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Too many blokes unable to absorb pressure and just cough the ball up or make poor decisions
Exhibit A - B.Ellis
How Hardwick keeps playing him is beyond belief
Why play Jack on the ball, we don't have a forward that can consistently take marks and kick goals so why isn't he played permanent full forward inside the forward 50 ALWAYS
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What would be better would be to poach a established senior coach like freo did
Leon Cameron or Goodwin or something.
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Has to go
Got no idea
Extremely poorly coached today
Goals are ahead , not lateral
To borrow one of your favourite phrases "do actually watch the game"" and "where you there"?
Because I'm pretty sure the side that actaully won by 11 odd goals spent most of the day perfecting lateral movement of the ball. Very rarely did they go direct down the middle.
It's not the lateral movement but the execution of it, you know a pesky little thing called hitting a bloody target and having targets actually moving as opposed to having statues to kick to
Now onto the coach - pathetic display unless hes now coaching fpr the best possible draft pick then he was outstanding.
I rekcon the 1st option is the most likely
This extension he got is the blunder of the season
I think he's finally lost the players.
Possibly but until he loses Benny he stays so he is staying...
My comment was about key players being wide and away from goals
That's why we kicked 5 goals the game
Riewoldt should be played 30 metres from goals
They have killed Jack
LOL when was last time you saw jack 30m out from goal with only one defender on him?
do you even watch games?
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Would our OER gurus consider Knights as a replacement?
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Would our OER gurus consider Knights as a replacement?
Wouldn't be my first choice but he has quite a bit of experience now. Has been successful at Geelong as seconds coach. Helps out on game day down there too.
I would love to have Hodge as assistant to Dimma if he has to stay, with the view of taking over after next year.
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Hardwick is 'laying down the law': http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/142881/default.aspx. In the article he say's that we will not put players out for op's and will go 'full bore' 'till the end of the year. This will be just another major mistake on his behalf. A wise coach would be doing the opposite and preparing us for a red hot tilt early next season when finals teams are working into fitness. He is looking more like our previous self-preserving, dud coaches on a daily basis.
Visionary.... :clapping
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Hardwick is 'laying down the law': http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/142881/default.aspx. In the article he say's that we will not put players out for op's and will go 'full bore' 'till the end of the year. This will be just another major mistake on his behalf. A wise coach would be doing the opposite and preparing us for a red hot tilt early next season when finals teams are working into fitness. He is looking more like our previous self-preserving, dud coaches on a daily basis.
Visionary.... :clapping
What are you doing? That bloke doesn't need any more pumping up
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I am a positive person but
While I (Dimma) was looking in the rear view mirror, then looking at the best list I have had at my time at Richmond..........
I was passed by 9 clubs!
Hardwick you have had free rein for 7 years, admit it, you are no good.
The players don't like your game plan, the supporters don't like your game plan, your recruiting is woeful, your player development is disgraceful, you have failed to deliver us a finals win.
Time to fall on your sword.
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Carlton were a basket case last year under Malthouse.
Look what Brendon Bolton has done. We've had 2 coaches in 12 years. We don't need to play the 'We don't eat our own' card anymore. Hardwick era is done.
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Would our OER gurus consider Knights as a replacement?
I'm more of an expert rather than a guru.
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Would our OER gurus consider Knights as a replacement?
I'm more of an expert rather than a guru.
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Would our OER gurus consider Knights as a replacement?
Watch this space 😉
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What's Knighter up to these days?
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Seriously, have u ever seen a bigger narcissist than this buffoon ?
He just goes about it as though nothing is wrong and they're all working towards success.
What a stuffn loser.
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Seriously, have u ever seen a bigger narcissist than this buffoon ?
He just goes about it as though nothing is wrong and they're all working towards success.
What a stuffn loser.
No you are so right he is at the top of my list
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Seriously, have u ever seen a bigger narcissist than this buffoon ?
Yes, I have.
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Seriously, have u ever seen a bigger narcissist than this buffoon ?
Yes, I have.
Not including you
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What's Knighter up to these days?
Geelong at the moment
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Seriously, have u ever seen a bigger narcissist than this buffoon ?
Yes, I have.
Not including you
Wow, got me good there.
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What's Knighter up to these days?
Geelong at the moment
Would have learnt a lot over the past few years.. :snidegrin
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If Hardwicks contract was not renewed - what gig could he expect to get at another club. For mine I don't think he would EVER get a senior coach role at another club,
Would there be any takers?
If no, then the question whether to sack him or not is a relatively simple one.
IMHO his player management, list management (@"The list is the best I have had in my time at RFC"), team selection (finals campaigns bringing in underdone players) and support staff management (list managers, support coaches, game day strategists) has been quite abysmal as is evident from the state of our playing list and position on the ladder.
7 years is a long time to get it right, I think he has had ample opportunity and at the end of next year it will be 8 years.
He has had his go, his KPI's must have all failed, let him have his final year to the detriment of the club, because lets be honest, his contract could not possibly be renewed unless he somehow manages to get us a finals win as a bare minimum next year.
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The only reason he will be there next year is because benny and peggy are too stubborn to admit they got it wrong. No other reason.
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The only reason he will be there next year is because benny and peggy are too stubborn to admit they got it wrong. No other reason.
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The only reason he will be there next year is because benny and peggy are too stubborn to admit they got it wrong. No other reason.
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Defiant Richmond ...
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The only reason he will be there next year is because benny and peggy are too stubborn to admit they got it wrong. No other reason.
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Sensitive and precious Richmond
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Why has chol played Zero times in a pruning year? Ditto Callum moore. Butler
Has Lennon been managed to the best possible standards? Menadue? McBean? Elton?
Why the hell was george dropped again
Why won't he put vlastuin in the middle
Should hardwick have shown more leadership. To help yarren and Mckenzie?
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Why has chol played Zero times in a pruning year? Ditto Callum moore. Butler
Has Lennon been managed to the best possible standards? Menadue? McBean? Elton?
Why the hell was george dropped again
Why won't he put vlastuin in the middle
Should hardwick have shown more leadership. To help yarren and Mckenzie?
All valid questions. But it's more important to get games into hunt grigg and houli. Also Peggy wants a strong finish to the season so we can be on top of the membership ladder next year.
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Nothing short of discontinuing your membership will stop this rot. Next year will mark my third year as a recovering ex Richmond member. Keep parting with your cash and this charade will roll on: year in, year out until eventually Benny exits for greener AFL HQ pastures and Dimma devolves into a minor role with his beloved Bombers - leaving smoking ruins behind.
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Why has chol played Zero times in a pruning year? Ditto Callum moore. Butler
Has Lennon been managed to the best possible standards? Menadue? McBean? Elton?
Why the hell was george dropped again
Why won't he put vlastuin in the middle
Should hardwick have shown more leadership. To help yarren and Mckenzie?
All valid questions. But it's more important to get games into hunt grigg and houli. Also Peggy wants a strong finish to the season so we can be on top of the membership ladder next year.
You don't have to buy one Harry
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Nothing short of discontinuing your membership will stop this rot. Next year will mark my third year as a recovering ex Richmond member. Keep parting with your cash and this charade will roll on: year in, year out until eventually Benny exits for greener AFL HQ pastures and Dimma devolves into a minor role with his beloved Bombers - leaving smoking ruins behind.
Im going to jump off a cliff I'm that depressed
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Why has chol played Zero times in a pruning year? Ditto Callum moore. Butler
Has Lennon been managed to the best possible standards? Menadue? McBean? Elton?
Why the hell was george dropped again
Why won't he put vlastuin in the middle
Should hardwick have shown more leadership. To help yarren and Mckenzie?
All valid questions. But it's more important to get games into hunt grigg and houli. Also Peggy wants a strong finish to the season so we can be on top of the membership ladder next year.
You don't have to buy one Harry
Nah being top of the membership ladder is too important to me.
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Why has chol played Zero times in a pruning year? Ditto Callum moore. Butler
Has Lennon been managed to the best possible standards? Menadue? McBean? Elton?
Why the hell was george dropped again
Why won't he put vlastuin in the middle
Should hardwick have shown more leadership. To help yarren and Mckenzie?
All valid questions. But it's more important to get games into hunt grigg and houli. Also Peggy wants a strong finish to the season so we can be on top of the membership ladder next year.
You don't have to buy one Harry
Nah being top of the membership ladder is too important to me.
That's the spirit
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Why has chol played Zero times in a pruning year? Ditto Callum moore. Butler
Has Lennon been managed to the best possible standards? Menadue? McBean? Elton?
Why the hell was george dropped again
Why won't he put vlastuin in the middle
Should hardwick have shown more leadership. To help yarren and Mckenzie?
All valid questions. But it's more important to get games into hunt grigg and houli. Also Peggy wants a strong finish to the season so we can be on top of the membership ladder next year.
You don't have to buy one Harry
Nah being top of the membership ladder is too important to me.
That's the spirit
Just have to work on lowering my expectations. Any pointers?
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What's Knighter up to these days?
Geelong at the moment
Would have learnt a lot over the past few years.. :snidegrin
Looked quite happy on t.v just then. Why come to be miserable lol
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What's Knighter up to these days?
Geelong at the moment
Would have learnt a lot over the past few years.. :snidegrin
Looked quite happy on t.v just then. Why come to be miserable lol
Scotts right hand man. Ready to go.
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What's Knighter up to these days?
Geelong at the moment
Would have learnt a lot over the past few years.. :snidegrin
Looked quite happy on t.v just then. Why come to be miserable lol
Scotts right hand man. Ready to go.
His dad says he is too... :shh
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GWS may be doing us a big favour..... :shh
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GWS may be doing us a big favour..... :shh
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GWS may be doing us a big favour..... :shh
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GWS may be doing us a big favour..... :shh
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Sorry we have a good habit of kicking gift horses in the mouth.
Stability in Apathy is our new motto.
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GWS may be doing us a big favour..... :shh
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Sorry we have a good habit of kicking gift horses in the mouth.
Stability in Apathy is our new motto.
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Hardwicks Richmond last 3 quarters
20 goals 8
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I want a 200 point loss and Hardwick left in Sydney.
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So where does this put us ? We belted gws a couple years ago and here they are belting us now. Id say that's good enough proof that we've fallen away and other teams have gone straight past us. New coach. List clear out. Another rebuild here we come.
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I want a 200 point loss and Hardwick left in Sydney.
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Do what Metallica did to Dave Mustaine
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Lowest Richmond score since 1961.
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SACK THE COACH
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SACK THE COACH
And all the hangers on as well
Sick of it !!
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Some have finally broken the mediocrity shackles
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SACK THE COACH
And all the hangers on as well
Sick of it !!
Call they CAT team or try make more sense
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Some have finally broken the mediocrity shackles
Are you still shackled Chucky? Or is that your preferable state on a Saturday night? :lol
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Sociopath - A sociopath can be defined as a person who has Antisocial Personality Disorder. This disorder is characterized by the ability to lie to achieve ones goals, a lack of remorse or shame, manipulation of circumstances and disregard for the feelings of others.
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Narcissism ^
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hmm, lack of remorse, shame, disregard for the feelings of others, anti social....wait a cotton picking minute...just who the hell are you people?
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Lowest Richmond score since 1961.
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Lmfao and yet still there are so many supporterts who think it wont take much to become a top 4 side.The list really isnt that bad ya know HHHHHHaaaarrrggghhh.
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I think we are close to being a top 4 side
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In the AFL?
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In the AFL?
Not even the little league..... :banghead
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We're gonna win three flags by 2020.
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When you're in a relationship, and you get to the alter three times in seven years but poo yourself each time, it's pretty much over.
It ain't gonna work.
Seriously trade Cotch, Jack, Vlaus and throw in conca, ellis and Vickery as
The SHITMEN bundle..
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Anyone else catch the master dud stuffing his face just after the siren sounded?
Clearly emotionally invested.
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If our board cannot see plain simple he has lost the playing group they a in denial or blind as a bat.Players have no motivation,effort,you name it.
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Or gutless
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Still trying to coach a Hawthorn 2008 game style, Clarko has changed things 3 times since. Absolutely no creativity in his thinking and the game has changed so much, slow ball movement is now a game killer and we are still playing slow footy.
Gale and co have to accept what the members have thought for 2 years, we need someone that demands pressure style play with creativity in their game plan. We are years behind in our style unfortunately.
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Anyone else catch the master dud stuffing his face just after the siren sounded?
Clearly emotionally invested.
It makes me furious, what was it a pie, hotdog?
I demand answers.
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Anyone else catch the master dud stuffing his face just after the siren sounded?
Clearly emotionally invested.
Reminded me of El-Tel after we lost the world cup qualifier against IRAN IN (I THINK) 1997.
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Anyone else catch the master dud stuffing his face just after the siren sounded?
Clearly emotionally invested.
It makes me furious, what was it a pie, hotdog?
I demand answers.
Kool aid
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Cameron mooney nfi
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Why is it so hard for Hardwick to see that last nights game plan is the way we have to play week in week out.
If he just lets go of all the holding up of play with possession in the back half when its just not necessary things would've been a lot more upbeat.
Next week against the cats who he hasn't had a win against will be the real guide as to whether he has learnt anything by last nights win.
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Last night is just an example of the team telling dimmer to getfuckedansplayingtheir own game
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Think last night was more an indication of how poor collingwood's defensive setup is rather than us playing markedly differently. True test will be next week against a top 4 aspirant and whther they afford us the luxury of time and space we were given last night
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Spot on.
Collingwood are as bad as us
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Last night is just an example of the team telling dimmer to getstuffedansplayingtheir own game
I dunno, they seemed pretty happy with him after the match..... they didn't really change the style that much....still a lot of sideways & backwards shyte, corralling and keepings off.....worked because Collingwood allowed it on the MCG.....sides like Hawthorn don't....GWS didn't on a postage stamp in Canberra...
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Last night is just an example of the team telling dimmer to getstuffedansplayingtheir own game
Seriously after watching the hug fest in rooms last night how could you possibly make a statement like that.
Hardwick may of lost the supporters but it is clear the players still play for him.
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Last night is just an example of the team telling dimmer to getstuffedansplayingtheir own game
I dunno, they seemed pretty happy with him after the match..... they didn't really change the style that much....still a lot of sideways & backwards shyte, corralling and keepings off.....worked because Collingwood allowed it on the MCG.....sides like Hawthorn don't....GWS didn't on a postage stamp in Canberra...
Terrible tatics by Buckley
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Yeh, ur right Dio.
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Last night is just an example of the team telling dimmer to getstuffedansplayingtheir own game
I dunno, they seemed pretty happy with him after the match..... they didn't really change the style that much....still a lot of sideways & backwards shyte, corralling and keepings off.....worked because Collingwood allowed it on the MCG.....sides like Hawthorn don't....GWS didn't on a postage stamp in Canberra...
I think you will find that Manuka is pretty much the same size as the MCG. MCG - 160 metres x 141 metres, Manuka - 162.5 metres x 138.4 metres
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No shyte? Well there you go.... .. underlines my point they didn't allow us the freedom Collingwood did....
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Predictions:
B Ellis the love child is given another year of squibbery
Grigg and Houli play every week again.
Hampson and Vickery again are the rucks for the season.
A moore and Townsend added to the mids
Morris, hunt given new deals.
Yarren get paid 650 k again for doing nothing 2017.
Clubs make offers for conca, Griffiths and bachelor richmond declines
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Last night is just an example of the team telling dimmer to getstuffedansplayingtheir own game
Seriously after watching the hug fest in rooms last night how could you possibly make a statement like that.
Hardwick may of lost the supporters but it is clear the players still play for him.
That's the problem. The players are trying their best to play to his poo instructions and game plan to no avail. If they downed tools we'd be rid of him and progressing forward without him.
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Becoming really good mates with the players is the last thing a coach does in an effort to hold onto power.... :whistle
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Wonder who it was that made sure Halfwit got amongst the chorus girl production.
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Heard there was a team slumber party at Dimmas house Friday night. Pillow fights and manicures.
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Ratten >>> Dimma
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Alot of love at the club. Players, coach, the board. Love is in the air. The do not disturb sign is hanging on the front door at punt road.
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Dimma received 3 votes for our Collingwood win. So he's off the bottom of the AFL Live Coach of the Year leaderboard.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpdZAARUkAAq1Zq.jpg)
https://twitter.com/aflliveradio/status/763176550711701504
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:clapping
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What a crap voting system.
We have won more games than Carlton.
According to most pundits, we drop away dramatically after our top 5. So our list is poor.
How is it that Bolton is so ahead on the votes?
So it's about perception, not actual performance.
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::)
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What a crap voting system.
We have won more games than Carlton.
According to most pundits, we drop away dramatically after our top 5. So our list is poor.
How is it that Bolton is so ahead on the votes?
So it's about perception, not actual performance.
Bolton got all his early. Hardwick is lucky not to be on the bottom though.
I wouldn't call beating Collingwood in a scrappy game a sign of coaching genius.
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What a crap voting system.
We have won more games than Carlton.
According to most pundits, we drop away dramatically after our top 5. So our list is poor.
How is it that Bolton is so ahead on the votes?
So it's about perception, not actual performance.
Bolton got all his early. Hardwick is lucky not to be on the bottom though.
I wouldn't call beating Collingwood in a scrappy game a sign of coaching genius.
I'm not saying Hardwick is a good coach. It's just that Bolton has done SFA yet is second on the leaderboard.
It's just that no one expected Carlton to win so they perceived him to be very good. Now everyone is saying our list is poor, the same people should be lauding Hardwick.
Carlton is languishing behind us considerably. He should not be so far ahead.
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So it's about perception, not actual performance.
There is no reality only perception.
:cheers
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Dimma received 3 votes for our Collingwood win. So he's off the bottom of the AFL Live Coach of the Year leaderboard.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpdZAARUkAAq1Zq.jpg)
https://twitter.com/aflliveradio/status/763176550711701504
Dimwit and Lepper ranga on the same points is proof that hardwick is a useless coach and an equal,y bad mentor.
Even the way The ranger spins it to the press is with the same deluded, narcissism that boofhead does.
It's as Tho Theyve cloned a shitman and now there's two.
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What a crap voting system.
We have won more games than Carlton.
According to most pundits, we drop away dramatically after our top 5. So our list is poor.
How is it that Bolton is so ahead on the votes?
So it's about perception, not actual performance.
Bolton got all his early. Hardwick is lucky not to be on the bottom though.
I wouldn't call beating Collingwood in a scrappy game a sign of coaching genius.
I'm not saying Hardwick is a good coach. It's just that Bolton has done SFA yet is second on the leaderboard.
It's just that no one expected Carlton to win so they perceived him to be very good. Now everyone is saying our list is poor, the same people should be lauding Hardwick.
Carlton is languishing behind us considerably. He should not be so far ahead.
Bolton has more Shyte cattle to work with, than what hardwick does
That's why
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What a crap voting system.
We have won more games than Carlton.
According to most pundits, we drop away dramatically after our top 5. So our list is poor.
How is it that Bolton is so ahead on the votes?
So it's about perception, not actual performance.
Bolton got all his early. Hardwick is lucky not to be on the bottom though.
I wouldn't call beating Collingwood in a scrappy game a sign of coaching genius.
I'm not saying Hardwick is a good coach. It's just that Bolton has done SFA yet is second on the leaderboard.
It's just that no one expected Carlton to win so they perceived him to be very good. Now everyone is saying our list is poor, the same people should be lauding Hardwick.
Carlton is languishing behind us considerably. He should not be so far ahead.
Bolton has more Shyte cattle to work with, than what hardwick does
That's why
According to some, we only have 5 players Bents..... :whistle
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Yep hardwicks done a wonderful job getting us to 3 finals with 5 AFL srandard players and the remaining made up of duds recruited from second rate junior bush leagues around the country with no junior credentials at all.
It's a bit like my wifes cooking, it must be the rotten ingredients she uses, but she's done a great job to make meals that are just edible considering.
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Sack the mrs.
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Yep hardwicks done a wonderful job getting us to 3 finals with 5 AFL srandard players and the remaining made up of duds recruited from second rate junior bush leagues around the country with no junior credentials at all.
It's a bit like my wifes cooking, it must be the rotten ingredients she uses, but she's done a great job to make meals that are just edible considering.
All the wogs here are shaking their heads
Look, you can't live like that man.....Gift her a gourmet cooking course for her next birthday
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She's a genius which is why I've given her a 2 year extension.
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She's a genius which is why I've given her a 2 year extension.
:clapping
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:clapping :clapping
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:clapping :clapping :clapping
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:thumbsdown
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:cheers
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:snidegrin
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Another diabolical loss.
Best list ever had. Absolute useless squib in the last qtr. Nothing was changed to stop an onslaught which was always going to happen.
Moore in the ruck? Sack this cu
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Losing EF to 9th place Scum cheats.
Losing the Tommy Hafey tribute game.
Richmond vs God Coast - The worst 90 seconds in AFL history.
Richmond vs Collingwood - The worst 4 minutes in AFL history.
Richmond vs Geelong - The worst last quarter in AFL history.
Well done "Blueprint" Dimma . Always finding new ways to disappoint us. :clapping
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(https://s3.postimg.org/3m5ensgvn/image.jpg)
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(https://s3.postimg.org/3m5ensgvn/image.jpg)
Yesssssssss :clapping
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Yessss Oxy. I just wanna see Richo slap Halfstep.
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Change has to happen at this football club. Is anyone disillusioned enough to say that we will have a better year next year with the same list and same coach with 'natural development'....
I can't see how letting go a bunch of uncontracted players and getting in a few part time coaches will change the soft underbelly and awful game style we seem to play especially under pressure.
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It's flabbergasting
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On the couch tomorrow more feel good suck jobs when dimwit is on the show
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15 to 1
Shot on goAl last 1/4
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"Life's not about fair tales"
Ain't that the truth damien
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Where can we go to meet dimmer and ask him some questions ?
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Where can we go to meet dimmer and ask him some questions ?
Not sure, but when you do meet him wear some really high platforms so you can look him in the eye
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Where can we go to meet dimmer and ask him some questions ?
Not sure, but when you do meet him wear some really high platforms so you can look him in the eye
We're not all. Dwarves, my friend.
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*. Vertically challenged
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How many times have you heard commentators say '{team} has to kick more goals in the last quarter than they have all game to win'?
Teams very rarely win from this position.
The Cats had 4 goals to 3/4 time!! 35 points behind!! They did it in a canter.
Sack him now.
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*. Vertically challenged
Sorry.
That's right.
Am I going to cop a suspension?
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"We came in with a strategy we thought would work and it worked pretty well, they only got four goals in the first three quarters so we managed to stifle that pretty well.
Does anyone know what that strategy was?
All I saw was hardwick sitting in the box, sour faced when the cats stepped it up.
I mean, that was his plan b
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He ran out of sour lollies in the last quarter
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LMAO at hiring a confident loser.
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Met up with a mate at the club today. A lot of people there have a stark difference of opinion compared to you lot on this forum when thinking about next year. Wasn't really told what had everyone optimistic except the generic stuff but gee wiz for a team that lost on the weekend they weren't particularly pessimistic
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gee wiz for a team that lost on the weekend they weren't particularly pessimistic
That's because they're used to it.
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Met up with a mate at the club today. A lot of people there have a stark difference of opinion compared to you lot on this forum when thinking about next year. Wasn't really told what had everyone optimistic except the generic stuff but gee wiz for a team that lost on the weekend they weren't particularly pessimistic
It merely clarifies delusion within the club ranks.
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If u we to guess, what would u say we're the aces up their little sleeve.
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Met up with a mate at the club today. A lot of people there have a stark difference of opinion compared to you lot on this forum when thinking about next year. Wasn't really told what had everyone optimistic except the generic stuff but gee wiz for a team that lost on the weekend they weren't particularly pessimistic
A big fish on the horizon?
Dont get me all excited now!
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They are just deluded plain and simple.
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Met up with a mate at the club today. A lot of people there have a stark difference of opinion compared to you lot on this forum when thinking about next year. Wasn't really told what had everyone optimistic except the generic stuff but gee wiz for a team that lost on the weekend they weren't particularly pessimistic
thats the scary thing
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Met up with a mate at the club today. A lot of people there have a stark difference of opinion compared to you lot on this forum when thinking about next year. Wasn't really told what had everyone optimistic except the generic stuff but gee wiz for a team that lost on the weekend they weren't particularly pessimistic
A big fish on the horizon?
Dont get me all excited now!
Very hopeful of getting Prestia but that's pretty much out in the open now. To be honest though, I can't tell if they are a little delusional overrating each other or if they have big plans. They believe having Yarran in the team too will help exponentially.
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Fyfe :shh
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Would give up our 1st round pick, Vickery, Conca for Fyfe!
Get It Done!
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Would give up our 1st round pick, Vickery, Conca for Fyfe!
Get It Done!
We can get him as a restricted free agent next year, which won't cost any players or picks unless Fremantle match our offer and we'd also have a better idea of whether or not he's over his leg issues and will still be as good as he was ....
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Would give up our 1st round pick, Vickery, Conca for Fyfe!
Get It Done!
We can get him as a restricted free agent next year, which won't cost any players or picks unless Fremantle match our offer and we'd also have a better idea of whether or not he's over his leg issues and will still be as good as he was ....
The problem is that sometimes you need to strike when the iron is hot. Nobody knows how he will feel in 12 months. And even in 12 months, it will be a Dangerfield situation. Geelong had to trade to get him. So if he we can convince him to come and we have the much vaunted war chest ( :lol), then just do it. We aren't getting any younger Dioc.....
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Met up with a mate at the club today. A lot of people there have a stark difference of opinion compared to you lot on this forum when thinking about next year. Wasn't really told what had everyone optimistic except the generic stuff but gee wiz for a team that lost on the weekend they weren't particularly pessimistic
Reality is not important as long as they believe it within the 4 walls
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Bontempelli will be even better than Fyfe IMO, was also a Richmond supporter, is younger and a Victorian.... :shh
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Yeh look...we'd love to get him...he's just one of those really nice players, isn't he!
He'd fit in well with my 1999 game plan.
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A big fish with depression.
The Richmond Way. :clapping :gotigers
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Bontempelli will be even better than Fyfe IMO, was also a Richmond supporter, is younger and a Victorian.... :shh
Fyfe is gettable
Bonts is not
Had might as well carry on about wanting to have dinner with Adriana Lima
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Who says he isn't?
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The doggies CEO i assume
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He will play for Richmond....eventually.... :shh
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Just a quick one. Maybe not for this thread but.....
I know it's against bombers, but Beveridge just seems to make the hard calls on players when they are not performing or not doing the team thing. Seems as Stringer is going to be dropped because his form is down! I wish we had a coach that disciplined his players the same way. It is now rd 21 and he has dropped a couple because performances aren't up to standard! Not during the season when it was on the line!!
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Just a quick one. Maybe not for this thread but.....
I know it's against bombers, but Beveridge just seems to make the hard calls on players when they are not performing or not doing the team thing. Seems as Stringer is going to be dropped because his form is down! I wish we had a coach that disciplined his players the same way. It is now rd 21 and he has dropped a couple because performances aren't up to standard! Not during the season when it was on the line!!
They are resting him before finals ;)
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Need to keep this thread alive until we are all liberated
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Sack the bum
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Has anyone listened to bucks on sen last night.
Spoke very well. Very honest and even said he doesn't think yhe club will keep him if they dont play finals next year.
Speaks about coaches and players.
Was asked good questions and answered them honestly.
Maybe why dimma hasnt been on sen coaches box yet.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/08-16/bucks-right-we-re-talking-about-this-publicly#.V7bv6meMSG4.facebook#318UrVm5uCxrIOR9.97
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Has anyone listened to bucks on sen last night.
Spoke very well. Very honest and even said he doesn't think yhe club will keep him if they dont play finals next year.
Speaks about coaches and players.
Was asked good questions and answered them honestly.
Maybe why dimma hasnt been on sen coaches box yet.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/08-16/bucks-right-we-re-talking-about-this-publicly#.V7bv6meMSG4.facebook#318UrVm5uCxrIOR9.97
Good old FIGJAM
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Meme/
Move jack away from ff master stroke
His afl team can't kick 3 goals in first half of football regularly.
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After this season, watching the saints and sandy games I think our players are totally confused.
I am sure Hardwick has lost the plot.
I would have thought the VFL named team would have thrashed Sandy, we were lucky to win it and if Sandy had kicked straight they would have won.
Saint Kilda were pathetic and nearly gave the game away we were 1 worse than pathetic whatever that is.
hardwirk really needs to go. Stuff club stability, if we keep on with this plan and style we will have the spoon next year
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Hardwick should do the right thing and resign but he won't and the club won't sack him so expect the same rubbish next season.
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I would have thought the VFL named team would have thrashed Sandy
Based on what? Them being fourth and us being outside finals chance? You must rate our depth quite highly.
we were lucky to win it and if Sandy had kicked straight they would have won.
If we kicked straight we would have won by even more
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Hardwick should do the right thing and resign but he won't and the club won't sack him so expect the same rubbish next season.
I think he has the team right where he wants them at this time of year. Really looking forward to what we do next year!!
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Hardwick should do the right thing and resign but he won't and the club won't sack him so expect the same rubbish next season.
I think he has the team right where he wants them at this time of year. Really looking forward to what we do next year!!
He wants them not playing finals? :gobdrop
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No no no, of course he wants to be playing finals.
Unfortunately it's taken the players this long to switch onto the right game plan but I feel we have turned the corner.
After all we kept the opposition to 7 goals on the weekend, that's encouraging
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No no no, of course he wants to be playing finals.
Unfortunately it's taken the players this long to switch onto the right game plan but I feel we have turned the corner.
After all we kept the opposition to 7 goals on the weekend, that's encouraging
And we scored 6 goals.
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This is what it takes to be successful, making the hard decisions for the club, something we cannot do and never have.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brent-harvey-wont-be-playing-at-north-melbourne-in-2017/news-story/aeb59a5624df3664def2d6258e3adcf8
Harvey, Dal Santo, Petrie and Firrito all told to move on!!! Gee imagine if we did that with some of our lot ........oh hang on we won't.
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Ummmm there all over 30, it is hardly a hard decision
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Harsh on boomer
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Harsh on boomer
Still in their best players. :shh
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If we could somehow convince the AFL to schedule his 450th against North, I'd get him for a year just for the laughs....
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Ummmm there all over 30, it is hardly a hard decision
So sure. Lol.
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Ummmm there all over 30, it is hardly a hard decision
So sure. Lol.
Yeah..... Chris Newman anyone....
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Dimma Richmond best 22 2017
Hamspud
Hunt
Houli
Grigg
Lambert
Fmd
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Ummmm there all over 30, it is hardly a hard decision
So sure. Lol.
Yeah..... Chris Newman anyone....
He never said we would do it. Just that it isn't a hard decision :lol
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http://www.3aw.com.au/news/gale-seeks-bombers-advice-20160825-gr1fd3.html
:shh
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http://www.3aw.com.au/news/gale-seeks-bombers-advice-20160825-gr1fd3.html
:shh
Director of Coaching... :shh
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Norf fans protest stuff
Richmond fans suck it up
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http://www.3aw.com.au/news/gale-seeks-bombers-advice-20160825-gr1fd3.html
:shh
Thought the URL was saying Bombers as in Essendon :lol
Norf fans protest stuff
Richmond fans suck it up
Interesting. Do you think North fans are taking the right approach? I personally think they look like a bunch of galahs
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Norf fans protest stuff
Richmond fans suck it up
Too true.
The silent majority
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http://www.3aw.com.au/news/gale-seeks-bombers-advice-20160825-gr1fd3.html
:shh
Thought the URL was saying Bombers as in Essendon :lol
Norf fans protest stuff
Richmond fans suck it up
Interesting. Do you think North fans are taking the right approach? I personally think they look like a bunch of galahs
Look no less stupid than RFC members for mine
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http://www.3aw.com.au/news/gale-seeks-bombers-advice-20160825-gr1fd3.html
:shh
Thought the URL was saying Bombers as in Essendon :lol
Norf fans protest stuff
Richmond fans suck it up
Interesting. Do you think North fans are taking the right approach? I personally think they look like a bunch of galahs
Reckon their fans look silly tbh
I think North have made the right call but the way in which they did it wasn't handled well
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http://www.3aw.com.au/news/gale-seeks-bombers-advice-20160825-gr1fd3.html
:shh
Thought the URL was saying Bombers as in Essendon :lol
Norf fans protest stuff
Richmond fans suck it up
Interesting. Do you think North fans are taking the right approach? I personally think they look like a bunch of galahs
Reckon their fans look silly tbh
I think North have made the right call but the way in which they did it wasn't handled well
Norf making the right calls. (Dumb fans protest)
Tigers making the wrong calls (dumb fans do nothing)
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Drew Petrie on Norf list management.
"... Because it was a tough decision to be made, but he has got the best interests of the club at heart for now and planning for the futures"
Meanwhile circus fc rolls on at punt road
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Drew Petrie on Norf list management.
"... Because it was a tough decision to be made, but he has got the best interests of the club at heart for now and planning for the futures"
Meanwhile circus fc rolls on at punt road
Insert fact Drew will be 34 soon and has had a poor season....
I don't think he has much to complain about.....
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Norfs old players
Are better than Richmond old players
They are peeing then off we are giving new contracts to everyone and his dog
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Norfs old players
Are better than Richmond old players
They are peeing then off we are giving new contracts to everyone and his dog
I have no doubt that if Drew played at Richmond that at 34 he'd be shown the door.
Of course I agree with you that the extension to Houli was unnecessary and premature while Grigg's was only passable if he plays as a back up next year.
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I hate Damien Hardwick.
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I hate Damien Hardwick.
As a coach or as a bloke?
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I hate Damien Hardwick.
As a coach or as a bloke?
He's actually a ripping bloke which makes sacking him just that little bit harder (but IMVHO necessary).
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http://www.3aw.com.au/news/gale-seeks-bombers-advice-20160825-gr1fd3.html
:shh
Thought the URL was saying Bombers as in Essendon :lol
Norf fans protest stuff
Richmond fans suck it up
Interesting. Do you think North fans are taking the right approach? I personally think they look like a bunch of galahs
North fans are the biggest bunch of self appointed Victims.
Honestly, does anyone know a North supporter without a hard luck story? The type of story that alot of people have but just get on with life about - but for North supporters, it defines them. They want your pity and want concessions in life. Even the wealthy ones.
New Zealanders are the same
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That heffer in their cheer squad who wears the denim cut-offs should be quarantined from the general public....
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I don't know any north fans.
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Nobody knows any personally....becaudse nobody wants to....
...funny though...I honestly also can't recall knowing any Essendon supporters as a kid before they made their first GF under Sheedy....
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Nobody knows any personally....becaudse nobody wants to....
...funny though...I honestly also can't recall knowing any Essendon supporters as a kid before they made their first GF under Sheedy....
North supporters are random. A friend of a friend. That guy next door to the place you used to live at. That lady in a different department at work that has a lazy eye.
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Struggles with this kicking goals idea innit
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Struggles with this kicking goals idea innit
Aye
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I hate Damien Hardwick.
As a coach or as a bloke?
Neither, don't know him to hate him as a bloke and does he actually coach?
I hate him as a RFC employee and a delusional imbecile.
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And we have to put up with this again.....
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Ok so its the thread about the coach. Why wont he put a couple of players back?
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How many more games do we have to put up with this joke of a regime?
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44
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Will this end his coaching career? Absolutely not! Extend his contract. Great to see Houli, Grigg, Astbury and Hampson doing so well. fk me !!
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FMD
They play kids for the sake of it
They just spectate
Gotta go Dimma
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The quarter and half time score board
Have been an abortion most weeks
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FMD
They play kids for the sake of it
They just spectate
Gotta go Dimma
Look at Hampson hunt grigg Houli a bit closer
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Struggles with this kicking goals idea innit
Aye
Not much good at stopping goals from the other side
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FMD
They play kids for the sake of it
They just spectate
Gotta go Dimma
Look at Hampson hunt grigg Houli a bit closer
They are now our senior leaders.....
:gobdrop
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Locked away on long term deals
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Wonder if he'll be laughing at the presser this week.
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Wonder if he'll be laughing at the presser this week.
Who wouldn't when you can achieve nothing in 5 years and get 2 years extension.
Great to see we are heading into Pre Season with momentum and with confidence.
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This is a joke. Makes my blood boil
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would any margin trigger emergency talks to get rid of this peanut? if so then i hope we go down by another 14 goals in the second half
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would any margin trigger emergency talks to get rid of this peanut? if so then i hope we go down by another 14 goals in the second half
100 pts margins happen.
120+ margins are rare
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Come on ladies, the seasons done, they aren't trying and you all are getting a flutter like girls at a disco
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With Peggy Sue the dud in charge his likely to get another 2 years
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Come on ladies, the seasons done, they aren't trying and you all are getting a flutter like girls at a disco
Give me obese girls who haven't played footy before over the squibs that ran out today and the c that coaches them
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would any margin trigger emergency talks to get rid of this peanut? if so then i hope we go down by another 14 goals in the second half
Wp said they could lose by 300 points and Dimma is still 100% safe
Exact words something along the lines of '. It doesn't matter what margin lose by he is safe
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My biggest issue is where is the change coming from?
We have resigned 3 squibs that are playing out there today in the last 3 weeks.
Astbury Houli and Astbury.
We aren't moving our coach on or changing leadership.
If we aren't changing anything we will get same results..
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Troy Chaplin and Ivan Maric to coach this club to glory next year,
jobs for mates
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My biggest issue is where is the change coming from?
We have resigned 3 squibs that are playing out there today in the last 3 weeks.
Astbury Houli and Astbury.
We aren't moving our coach on or changing leadership.
If we aren't changing anything we will get same results..
Just ground for not getting 2017 membership
IMHO.
It's like purposely mucking with us ..
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3/4 time
Players standing around doing nothin .
Dimma making love to his white magnetic board
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Hardwick.
Imposter and will have all the excuses except himself
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:snidegrin
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He should be moved on for the sake of the club and supporters. Simply cant coach and has never been able to coach :banghead
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3/4 time
Players standing around doing nothin .
Dimma making love to his white magnetic board
Watched this on fox footy and then when he went to get the group, looked like no one wanted a bae of it.
My stomach is actually turning. We are on the road to no where.
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Our only glimmer of hope from tonight is that they were trying to get him sacked.
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Saved the best to last I see.
I notice some losers on here defending that effort.
That sort of loss hurts in every way possible. Good luck trying to recruit decent players from other clubs with that sort of proformance.
Since round 18 we have had four games kicking only 5,3,6,7 goals for an entire game. You would hope that says something about Halfwits game plan.
Weak, embarrassing club.
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Saved the best to last I see.
I notice some losers on here defending that effort.
That sort of loss hurts in every way possible. Good luck trying to recruit decent players from other clubs with that sort of proformance.
Since round 18 we have had four games kicking only 5,3,6,7 goals for an entire game. You would hope that says something about Halfwits game plan.
Weak, embarrassing club.
Most of those goals kicked in junk time wen the other side is thinking about dinner
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"Effort is non-negotiable. It's hard for me to interact with players who don't give themselves completely. The weak don't interest me." - Diego Simeone.
"Yeah, na" - Dimma.
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Nothing will happen until Hardwick is sacked. Only glimmer of hope is that this thrashing may bring about that but doubt it.
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Jason Dunstall said it all during the game last night. This poo would not be accepted at great clubs.....only pee weak clubs like the Tigers :banghead
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If we're behind then never mind we'll fight and fight and win.....
We will have to change them theme song obviously
"If we cant make finals we give up, "
can't quite get it to rhyme
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If Hardwick stays we will need strong minded assistants who can challenge his pathetic thoughts on how to play this game :help
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Jason Dunstall said it all during the game last night. This poo would not be accepted at great clubs.....only pee weak clubs like the Tigers :banghead
Sums it up in a nutshell really.....
I keep trying to convince myself I don't care anymore but that effort yesterday has made me angry and disappointed.
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FMD
They play kids for the sake of it
They just spectate
Gotta go Dimma
Yeah cause that's the problem with this club :lol
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would any margin trigger emergency talks to get rid of this peanut? if so then i hope we go down by another 14 goals in the second half
Wp said they could lose by 300 points and Dimma is still 100% safe
Exact words something along the lines of '. It doesn't matter what margin lose by he is safe
::) ::)
yeo said that and stand by it
Won't be sacked
All the assistants (that includes development coaches btw) bar a couple will go but Hardwick wont
Not defending him in way but just believe he will not be sacked
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would any margin trigger emergency talks to get rid of this peanut? if so then i hope we go down by another 14 goals in the second half
Wp said they could lose by 300 points and Dimma is still 100% safe
Exact words something along the lines of '. It doesn't matter what margin lose by he is safe
::) ::)
yeo said that and stand by it
Won't be sacked
All the assistants (that includes development coaches btw) bar a couple will go but Hardwick wont
Not defending him in way but just believe he will not be sacked
Terrific
Just terrific.
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would any margin trigger emergency talks to get rid of this peanut? if so then i hope we go down by another 14 goals in the second half
Wp said they could lose by 300 points and Dimma is still 100% safe
Exact words something along the lines of '. It doesn't matter what margin lose by he is safe
::) ::)
yep said that and stand by it
Won't be sacked
All the assistants (that includes development coaches btw) bar a couple will go but Hardwick wont
Not defending him in way but just believe he will not be sacked
Terrific
Just terrific.
Here we go again....
I have given an opinion and that is he won't be sacked
At any point have I said that is the right / correct way for the club to go?
Have I?
Answer is NO I haven't
Do I think he should be sacked? Forget about the game style simply based on the litany of lies and spin that he's fed us this year YES I do
But do I think he WILL be sacked
NO
Can I make it any clearer for you to comprehend?
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What are u on about :huh
I'm not blaming you
Lamenting te state of the universe in general
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would any margin trigger emergency talks to get rid of this peanut? if so then i hope we go down by another 14 goals in the second half
Wp said they could lose by 300 points and Dimma is still 100% safe
Exact words something along the lines of '. It doesn't matter what margin lose by he is safe
::) ::)
yep said that and stand by it
Won't be sacked
All the assistants (that includes development coaches btw) bar a couple will go but Hardwick wont
Not defending him in way but just believe he will not be sacked
Terrific
Just terrific.
Here we go again....
I have given an opinion and that is he won't be sacked
At any point have I said that is the right / correct way for the club to go?
Have I?
Answer is NO I haven't
Do I think he should be sacked? Forget about the game style simply based on the litany of lies and spin that he's fed us this year YES I do
But do I think he WILL be sacked
NO
Can I make it any clearer for you to comprehend?
lmao
have a lie down and bex then re read
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If we're behind then never mind we'll fight and fight and win.....
We will have to change them theme song obviously
"If we cant make finals we give up, "
can't quite get it to rhyme
"If we can't make finals we give up
It's worse than 2 girls and 1 cup"
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If we're behind then never mind we'll fight and fight and win.....
We will have to change them theme song obviously
"If we cant make finals we give up, "
can't quite get it to rhyme
"If we can't make finals we give up
It's worse than 2 girls and 1 cup"
Ty dooks, great rhyme
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If we're behind then never mind we'll fight and fight and win.....
We will have to change them theme song obviously
"If we cant make finals we give up, "
can't quite get it to rhyme
"If we can't make finals we give up
It's worse than 2 girls and 1 cup"
Ty dooks, great rhyme
It's all ive got sorry bro.
I'll be honest I'm a weathered soul. No thanks to this aboration of a club
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I actually cant believe there is 2 years left...
I've never felt worse about our club.
Grigg, Houli, Astbury resigning.. nothing is changing.. Assistants changing? Whopidy doo.
No pace, no flair, no structure, no leadership, no tackling. No hope.
Needs change. Change something...
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I actually cant believe there is 2 years left...
I've never felt worse about our club.
Grigg, Houli, Astbury resigning.. nothing is changing.. Assistants changing? Whopidy doo.
No pace, no flair, no structure, no leadership, no tackling. No hope.
Needs change. Change something...
STABILITY. .
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See browny on the suny footy show ?
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See browny on the suny footy show ?
What did he say?
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He reiterated how he'd said it was a mistake to sign him pre season and now they're stiffed.
Basically of it were up to him, he'd be gone.
Also said he spoke to so,EONE at te club with a history of so,e20 years.
They said the moral at the place is at an all time low.
Browny pinted out that the person had seen many crappy times, so knew what they were talking about.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/sunfootyshow/status/769710613358456832 (https://mobile.twitter.com/sunfootyshow/status/769710613358456832)
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I actually cant believe there is 2 years left...
I've never felt worse about our club.
Grigg, Houli, Astbury resigning.. nothing is changing.. Assistants changing? Whopidy doo.
No pace, no flair, no structure, no leadership, no tackling. No hope.
Needs change. Change something...
100% agree.
All the talk about a clean out and not signing anyone till the end of the year and then they go and sign those 3 plus Hampson.
Those 4 are not AFL level. None will improve, so why resign them!
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I actually cant believe there is 2 years left...
I've never felt worse about our club.
Grigg, Houli, Astbury resigning.. nothing is changing.. Assistants changing? Whopidy doo.
No pace, no flair, no structure, no leadership, no tackling. No hope.
Needs change. Change something...
100% agree.
All the talk about a clean out and not signing anyone till the end of the year and then they go and sign those 3 plus Hampson.
Those 4 are not AFL level. None will improve, so why resign them!
Yep so much smoke and mirrors, having our mid tier all uncontracted because of a huge cleanout of our 'moneyball' gambled players.. Then we resign 3 recycled players who have peaked and are no way part of our next premiership window. Unless the club has 4 A Graders lined up that are going to turn us from 14th best team into a top 4 team in 12 months.
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That's right.
It's frighteming how stuffing wrong these people have gotten things.
Lock in Hampson, Grigg , Houli and Dmmer.
Sheer arrogance in refusing to see their stupid MONEYBALL plan failed.
The belief that resigning this garbage is a sign of solidarity.
There's no future.
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That's right.
It's frighteming how stuffing wrong these people have gotten things.
Lock in Hampson, Grigg , Houli and Dmmer.
Sheer arrogance in refusing to see their stupid MONEYBALL plan failed.
The belief that resigning this garbage is a sign of solidarity.
There's no future.
Don't forget bargain bin blairs extension. Jackson most likely to extend also.
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As I've already stated I have not been a member for four years. One other way to send a message to this rabble would be, at the very least, to withdraw from the auto-renewal system and stall signing up till the the last minute.....if at all.
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Connolly on crocmedia yesterday basically called for Hardwick to be sacked. He believes there will be a significant drop in membership if nothing done.
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nopoint carrying on about re signing Hampson who else do we have in the ruck stocks we don't have any made ruckman in the 2s and griffo cant ruck all day we need to pinch one in the draft....
the scary thing is players like Elton, morris,hunt, townsend, moore, moore wouldn't get games in other club going around and they will be on list next year... We said we wanted grunt we could have got stevie J to help dan in the forward line but we want for moore and townsend please.
dimma will be coaching next year and the year later that's all we need to worry about the list needs to get better
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That's right.
It's frighteming how stuffing wrong these people have gotten things.
Lock in Hampson, Grigg , Houli and Dmmer.
Sheer arrogance in refusing to see their stupid MONEYBALL plan failed.
The belief that resigning this garbage is a sign of solidarity.
There's no future.
Well said
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We a joke of a club that's 3 first rounders set to be traded 2 top 10 Conca, Vickery and Lennon and this clown still has a job shows our poor development.
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Reading this thread makes me realise how much trouble we are in.
Hardwick saying it will be a quick bounceback....
Really it would be like throwing a brick into a swimming pool and expecting it to float.
The only team who has not gone past us is Brisbane and they are really into their youth program.
We will win the wooden spoon next year, in fact i am going to put $100 on that today.
Thanks Damian.
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We are in BIG trouble peoples :-[
Get set for an even worse year of rot, lead by the same off field imposters.
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He is a disgrace!
Pick 6 for Presita is a joke!
Killed Lennon's career and McBean's.
Can not develop players!
Keeps Grigg as his little girl!
Disgrace Hardwick, we will finish bottom 4!
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Reckon we are a lock for the bottom 3. Confident Brisbane for the wooden spoon and then us to net pick 2, only to trade it for some hack to prop up the current regime for another year.
Has anything really changed since wallace? No it hasnt.
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He is a disgrace!
Pick 6 for Presita is a joke!
Killed Lennon's career and McBean's.
Can not develop players!
Keeps Grigg as his little girl!
Disgrace Hardwick, we will finish bottom 4!
yet you would rather bring in an unproven kid and hope that Hardwick develops him rather than someone who has shown they can play at the level.? someone that can actually push grigg down the order straight away.
That makes sense!!
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Hampson Houli grigg will play every week regardless
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you must be really missing being able to include Chaplin in that old fall back
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Coach troy
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Reading this thread makes me realise how much trouble we are in.
Hardwick saying it will be a quick bounceback....
Really it would be like throwing a brick into a swimming pool and expecting it to float.
The only team who has not gone past us is Brisbane and they are really into their youth program.
We will win the wooden spoon next year, in fact i am going to put $100 on that today.
Thanks Damian.
Glad to see Freo and Carlton have gone past us again already :clapping
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Hampson Houli grigg will play every week regardless
Whipping boys for 2017. Front and centre. Im not holding back anymore.
Add Ellis if he somehow isnt offloaded for a bag of Monkey nuts.
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actually ellis may be the player that could get prestia.
not sure if dimma would let his precious go, though
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actually ellis may be the player that could get prestia.
not sure if dimma would let his precious go, though
We can only hope.
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I believe there to be a strong possibility ( but NOT definite ) that Hardwick might walk within the next 4 weeks.
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I believe there to be a strong possibility ( but NOT definite ) that Hardwick might walk within the next 4 weeks.
Do tell :shh
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I believe there to be a strong possibility ( but NOT definite ) that Hardwick might walk within the next 4 weeks.
Is he in hospital?
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I believe there to be a strong possibility ( but NOT definite ) that Hardwick might walk within the next 4 weeks.
rooster tease
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I believe there to be a strong possibility ( but NOT definite ) that Hardwick might walk within the next 4 weeks.
Is he in hospital?
:lol
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I believe there to be a strong possibility ( but NOT definite ) that Hardwick might walk within the next 4 weeks.
His actions and words over the last few matches have suggested he's gone, I agree.
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With Gale rumoured to be leaving it could be a domino effect
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I believe there to be a strong possibility ( but NOT definite ) that Hardwick might walk within the next 4 weeks.
rooster pump tease
EFA
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With Gale rumoured to be leaving it could be a domino effect
Need three for that theory.
Use PEGGY
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With Gale rumoured to be leaving it could be a domino effect
Need three for that theory.
Use PEGGY
Yep all in
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is ‘extremely lucky’ not to have been sacked
GILBERT GARDINER
Foxsports
September 1, 2016
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick is “extremely lucky” not to have been sacked, according to former Essendon champion Tim Watson.
The Tigers have already dumped five assistant coaches as part of a major review of operations at Punt Rd, but Watson believes the cuts should be deeper.
“If you use the analogy the coach is the CEO of the business, where else would it happen that the CEO stays in his position for a failed company and the five people who report to him down the line are the people that are given the lemonade and sars,” Watson said.
“Damien Hardwick is extremely lucky — is extremely lucky — to still be holding his position after what’s taken place at Richmond.”
Hardwick is contracted until the end of 2018.
The Tigers look set to lose three first-round drafts picks in Reece Conca, Ben Lennon and Tyrone Vickery seeking opportunities at rival clubs.
The Herald Sun today revealed Hawthorn has offered Vickery a long-term deal with a promise of making him a better player.
Watson said recruitment was a major problem area at Tigerland.
“They should be looking at the people that have been the decision makers and why those decisions have been made,” Watson told SEN.
“Have (the decisions) been made because the recruiter hasn’t, whose views haven’t been followed, or they’ve been made as an autonomous group of recruiters and that’s one of the things that they need to fix at Richmond.”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/essendon-champion-tim-watson-says-damien-hardwick-is-extremely-lucky-not-to-have-been-sacked/news-story/d9bde459be5102a4742f1da082e8507e
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So basically.sack everyone.
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This guy was a good coach until 3 years ago. Has completely lost me
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This guy was a good coach until 3 years ago. Has completely lost me
That's only because you didn't realise he was destined for failure.
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I believe there to be a strong possibility ( but NOT definite ) that Hardwick might walk within the next 4 weeks.
You have to crawl before you can walk.
So will he lose his disabled parking spot??
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This guy was a good coach until 3 years ago. Has completely lost me
That's only because you didn't realise he was destined for failure.
If windows 10 allowed me to clap emoticon I would :-(
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Can't wait for another year of developmentally arresting stodgeball.... :clapping :gotigers :clapping
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Followed by a round 10 to 12 sacking..... :whistle
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That's poetic justice, really.
Make Damien coach the front end of the season with the garbage he's developed and drafted.
It will be 11 games of hell and he deserves every quarter.
Then sack the dog and banish him from coaching with the title, most games ever coached without a finals win/success.
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hey guys
I have a petition for sacking of Dimma..I DID NOT CREATE THIS, it was created by a poster over at BF.
I encourage you to sign it, even if you think hte petition will be useless.
https://www.change.org/p/the-removal-of-damien-hardwick-as-head-coach-of-the-richmond-football-club?recruiter=54309238&utm_source=petitions_show_components_action_panel_wrapper&utm_medium=copylink
Just one thing, Please PLEASE do NOT be abusive in the comments! That is the last thing you want to do if you want them to take it seriously.
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hey guys
I have a petition for sacking of Dimma..I DID NOT CREATE THIS, it was created by a poster over at BF.
I encourage you to sign it, even if you think hte petition will be useless.
https://www.change.org/p/the-removal-of-damien-hardwick-as-head-coach-of-the-richmond-football-club?recruiter=54309238&utm_source=petitions_show_components_action_panel_wrapper&utm_medium=copylink
Just one thing, Please PLEASE do NOT be abusive in the comments! That is the last thing you want to do if you want them to take it seriously.
Yeah but in these troubled times, who knows whats right and whats wrong
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This pretty much sums it up.
'In short, the Richmond Football Club MUST remove Damien Hardwick as coach if it is to actually become a genuinely good football club.'
Signed
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He's gone
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Caro preparing the masses for what's to come with her article in the Age.
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To my way of thinking we need the following
Follow on from B Gales pie in the sky statement re membership/debt/finals, 5 or so years ago.
1. We intend to build a dynasty
2. It will be non negotiable
3. We are only interested in players coaches and personnel who are 100% committed to our vision
4. We need to have the personnel in place to create the corner stones for the dynasty and who are prepared to walk away if they cannot commit at any stage, as such all contracts signed with coaches and support staff will have a clause whereby a payout is not included, but the incentives will be massive.
5. Dynasty Definition: Win 4 flags in a row.
Can our current coach/team deliver on this?
They cannot win 1 final, our list is ragged, it seems that below average efforts are tolerated, our list management is pitiful, player development is pitiful, team game plan and structure is pitiful, team cohesion and structure is doubtful.
IMO our last really exciting time was under John Northey.
If they have paid some stupid amount for a club evaluation and not come up with a methodology to achieve this then it was a waste of time.
Mediocrity is accepted by this regime.
Time for a change and a way forward.
If we have no way forward then leave it as it is, let it rot and fester and we will be in the membership and money situation we were 5 years ago.
Time for someone to take this club forward in the board room and on the field.
That is my Richmond Rant
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Dynastic list blocking, stability-morons
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Dynastic list blocking, stability-morons
Fizzactly
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/damien-hardwick-says-he-was-too-young-when-he-was-first-named-richmond-coach/news-story/fd574dc2df2e0db726832fba5c51ed05
:facepalm
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Lol at embarrassed about how little you actually knew. Nothing has changed in 7 years.
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Blobbo:
"Richmond are irrelevant @ 1-6"
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Oh blobbo :(
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Can we merge all other threads with this one?
Thanks. :cheers
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Can we merge all other threads with this one?
Thanks. :cheers
I think we need to it all comes down to this in the end
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Sacking coaches hasn't helped in the past.
We love to eat our own
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Sacking coaches hasn't helped in the past.
We love to eat our own
Working for the dogs saints crows (RIP)
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Sacking coaches hasn't helped in the past.
We love to eat our own
Sackings are good.
It's the hiring of special needs staff that kills us.
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We need to show faith.
We need unity
Stability will lead to success
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"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
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The dogs coach is good
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The dogs coach is good
Hardwick and the players would feel embarrassed IMO, watching the skill, endeavour and commitment shown by the Bulldogs.
Our list managers should also see the types of players being selected by the Dogs, and our development staff also need to have a good look at themselves.
We are way off and i think the review, while praiseworthy, and its conclusions will do little for RFC in 2017/2018
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Our list managers should also see the types of players being selected by the Dogs, and our development staff also need to have a good look at themselves.
Our club recruits midgets and none are good except Miles. Dogs get Daniel and he's a star
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Is it possible anyone can turn this rabble around?
Maybe Clarkson? A decent recruiter?
I'd suggest if somehow he came to Punt road and was able to turn this organisation from comedy club to a professional premiership outfit like he has at Whorethorn, he will then be the greatest coach in the history of sport.
Is it at all possible? ......Can we dare to dream?
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No
Wake up and stop dreaming FFS
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No
Wake up and stop dreaming FFS
:sleep
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Hardwick's speech was terrible last night. All this shyte about being angry....
We're a professional club. You're supposed to say things like we will get the best talent available and perfect a game style that will be slick and difficult to play against. We will practice it and practice it till it is perfect. That's what professional sides do. Local hack clubs get angry and try to use the anger to improve.
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Agree Yellow.
Watching Scott tonight, bloody hell the guy is obsessed with winning, results and success. Showed more emotion and want to win in 1 game than Hardwick has shown in his entire coaching career.
Hardwick doesn't give AF. Just says he does and jokes about that he does, and jokes about rubbish with Mrs Hardwick.
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The dogs coach is good
Hardwick and the players would feel embarrassed IMO, watching the skill, endeavour and commitment shown by the Bulldogs.
Our list managers should also see the types of players being selected by the Dogs, and our development staff also need to have a good look at themselves.
We are way off and i think the review, while praiseworthy, and its conclusions will do little for RFC in 2017/2018
Na
Rancey remarked last night, how the RFC were actually better than some of the teams in the finals.
He can't be captain if he's that ignorant.
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Hardwick's speech was terrible last night. All this shyte about being angry....
We're a professional club. You're supposed to say things like we will get the best talent available and perfect a game style that will be slick and difficult to play against. We will practice it and practice it till it is perfect. That's what professional sides do. Local hack clubs get angry and try to use the anger to improve.
are you kidding me?
If Hardwick doesn't get angry, people whinge that he doesn't care. If he does, you say it was unprofessional.
He was showing passion and thats what football is all about..
Yeah he has failed us as a coach, but that doesn't mean we should nit pick every single little bloody thing he does and says like mad, ive seen this on every board i've been on and it drives me nuts.
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35 years of crap topped off with 7 years of this arseclown has driven us all nuts....
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Hardwick's speech was terrible last night. All this shyte about being angry....
We're a professional club. You're supposed to say things like we will get the best talent available and perfect a game style that will be slick and difficult to play against. We will practice it and practice it till it is perfect. That's what professional sides do. Local hack clubs get angry and try to use the anger to improve.
Spot on YBB.
Any chance Paul Roos or Clarkson would crap on about being angry or would they say what you said about getting things right from our clubs point of view.
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Hardwick's speech was terrible last night. All this shyte about being angry....
We're a professional club. You're supposed to say things like we will get the best talent available and perfect a game style that will be slick and difficult to play against. We will practice it and practice it till it is perfect. That's what professional sides do. Local hack clubs get angry and try to use the anger to improve.
are you kidding me?
If Hardwick doesn't get angry, people whinge that he doesn't care. If he does, you say it was unprofessional.
He was showing passion and thats what football is all about..
Yeah he has failed us as a coach, but that doesn't mean we should nit pick every single little bloody thing he does and says like mad, ive seen this on every board i've been on and it drives me nuts.
Just take some time to listen to top coaches and managers around the world talk. Sure they may be angry but they talk about obtaining elite talent and improving their game style to the next level. The most basic of competitions is hand to hand combat. Anger is a bad thing there as it takes your focus away from technique and strategy. As I said, local clubs might use anger to motivate them but I would think most high end clubs focus on improving their game plan and personnel to take the next step.
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Watching the finals, which i must say is refreshing after following the style of football RFC plays, i felt a bit down that we weren't playing in them.
Then i thought we are 35 years into our 5 year rebuild, even more depressing.
But on a positive note next year we will be 36 years into our 5 year rebuild so it means we are 1 year closer to success?
Think i need some nrw meds OR sack Hardwick.
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Was speaking to a close family friend of a senior player last night. He told me that said player has lost faith in Hardwick and so have many of his teammates.
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doesnt augur well for next season does it?
expecting a shocker tbh - hence why I am very strongly against us trading away any future picks this year.
Did he elaborate why the player and his teammates have lost faith? gamestyle? inconsistencies at the selection table?
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doesnt augur well for next season does it?
expecting a shocker tbh - hence why I am very strongly against us trading away any future picks this year.
Did he elaborate why the player and his teammates have lost faith? gamestyle? inconsistencies at the selection table?
He didn't actually. I should have asked, but we weren't chatting for that long.
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Was speaking to a close family friend of a senior player last night. He told me that said player has lost faith in Hardwick and so have many of his teammates.
Doesn't suprise me to be honest, honestly think the players might end up rebelling against him.
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Was speaking to a close family friend of a senior player last night. He told me that said player has lost faith in Hardwick and so have many of his teammates.
Doesn't suprise me to be honest, honestly think the players might end up rebelling against him.
Not a bad thing me thinks
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Was speaking to a close family friend of a senior player last night. He told me that said player has lost faith in Hardwick and so have many of his teammates.
Not doubting you Willy actaully quite interested in this TBH
But what I'd like to know is the player in question one of the blokes who's been told they are likely to be traded? As i think they all had their reviews and have been told if they are on the table or not
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So 2017 arrives, they sack dimmer after round 8, yet we still have idiots making decisions and throwing contracts around....they need to go too
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So 2017 rolls around & some are still recycling the same post ... :sleep
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Was speaking to a close family friend of a senior player last night. He told me that said player has lost faith in Hardwick and so have many of his teammates.
Not doubting you Willy actaully quite interested in this TBH
But what I'd like to know is the player in question one of the blokes who's been told they are likely to be traded? As i think they all had their reviews and have been told if they are on the table or not
Not sure. Sorry WP.
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So 2017 rolls around & some are still recycling the same post ... :sleep
I know right
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95 tackles by Giants to win first final by 6 goals...
Not just about talent. Not just about game plan but its about willingness to work hard, be selfless and aggressive. Other than Rance none of our players do these things, not even close. This blame is on Hardwick. For the players mindset and unaccountability. We lose as we joke at press conferences. You don't draft lazy players, you don't draft players who are selfish. You create that and the coach is accountable for these things.
Sack this dud. Let him get angry in his bedroom by himself and lets move on with our club.
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95 tackles by Giants to win first final by 6 goals...
Not just about talent. Not just about game plan but its about willingness to work hard, be selfless and aggressive. Other than Rance none of our players do these things, not even close. This blame is on Hardwick. For the players mindset and unaccountability. We lose as we joke at press conferences. You don't draft lazy players, you don't draft players who are selfish. You create that and the coach is accountable for these things.
Sack this dud. Let him get angry in his bedroom by himself and lets move on with our club.
Watching finals football makes one greatly grateful for the leadership and contract status of Hampson grigg Houli penny Benny Dimma and friends :gotigers
Lots of tackles but the CORRALLING WAS TERRIBLE
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95 tackles by Giants to win first final by 6 goals...
Not just about talent. Not just about game plan but its about willingness to work hard, be selfless and aggressive. Other than Rance none of our players do these things, not even close. This blame is on Hardwick. For the players mindset and unaccountability. We lose as we joke at press conferences. You don't draft lazy players, you don't draft players who are selfish. You create that and the coach is accountable for these things.
Sack this dud. Let him get angry in his bedroom by himself and lets move on with our club.
Watching finals football makes one greatly grateful for the leadership and contract status of Hampson grigg Houli penny Benny Dimma and friends :gotigers
Lots of tackles but the CORRALLING WAS TERRIBLE
Correct. What's with all that tackling? Not only is it dangerous but it's ugly to watch. Seriously what do they think they'll achieve from this?
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Should we add Scott to this thread?
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Don't know if this was the thread laughing Hardwick was in? But coach grumpy had a laugh in his pressed tonight.
Not trying to pick just saying.
With hope because looks like dimmas going nowhere yet! :huh
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Don't know if this was the thread laughing Hardwick was in? But coach grumpy had a laugh in his pressed tonight.
Not trying to pick just saying.
With hope because looks like dimmas going nowhere yet! :huh
John Longmire started off his presser saying how good GWS were, like Dimma...unlike dimma doesn't get crucified for it.
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Unlike Halfstep, Longmire actually has runs on the board....but yeah, poor victimised Halfstep.....cut him some slack after seven years of stuff all...
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I'll agree that Dimma has gone backward in regards to coaching and is stagnating.
HE has run out of ideas and cannot seem to think outside the box.
But to say that a man who took us from being the worst team since fitzroy to an actually competitive team has done stuff all is disrespectful imo
He did well for the first 3-4 years at least.
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Worst team since Fitzroy my arse -won 6 games and finished 2 games ahead of West Coast so we weren't even the worst team that year , just another favourite cliche/excuse/fall back of the BF dribblers & happy clappers.. .....bottom line - no finals wins is stuff all and would be regarded as so at most clubs with any standards that judge themselves against the best rather than their own crappier sides of the past......stuff the bloke...he's just some Essendon & Port flog, not a Richmond legend....
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Worst team since Fitzroy my arse -won 6 games and finished 2 games ahead of West Coast so we weren't even the worst team that year , just another favourite cliche/excuse/fall back of the BF dribblers & happy clappers.. .....bottom line - no finals wins is stuff all and would be regarded as so at most clubs with any standards that judge themselves against the best rather than their own crappier sides of the past......stuff the bloke...he's just some Essendon & Port flog, not a Richmond legend....
:yep
Pretty funny how that cliche gets bandied around to somehow justify that hardwick hasnt done a bad job. It was a stupid throwaway line by the journos halfway through the season trying to typically create a sensationalist story
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I'll agree that Dimma has gone backward in regards to coaching and is stagnating.
HE has run out of ideas and cannot seem to think outside the box.
But to say that a man who took us from being the worst team since fitzroy to an actually competitive team has done stuff all is disrespectful imo
He did well for the first 3-4 years at least.
Rubbish!
"At the end of the day my No.1 team rule is, 'Win the hard ball when it's your turn'," he said.
"I think I can deliver a blueprint for success that's going to take the Richmond Football Club to their 11th premiership in the not-too-distant future," he said
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/new-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-to-oversee-massive-player-cleanout/story-e6freon6-1225766665814 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/new-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-to-oversee-massive-player-cleanout/story-e6freon6-1225766665814)
He's a liar & he's taken us backwards. FACT!
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He took us to what, generally near the bottom to generally the lower reaches of the 8?
Hardly an achievement and in fact in modern day football (e.g. the last 20-25 years) there wouldnt be an exception to this. Completely normal.
In fact the exception is us - all other teams have generally kicked on and either won flags or competed for flags.
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I thought he inherited a team that was worse than University. When did they change it to Fitzroy. Poor Dimma's been duped.
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I'll agree that Dimma has gone backward in regards to coaching and is stagnating.
HE has run out of ideas and cannot seem to think outside the box.
But to say that a man who took us from being the worst team since fitzroy to an actually competitive team has done stuff all is disrespectful imo
He did well for the first 3-4 years at least.
Where are the facts that we were the worst team since Fitzroy when Hardwick took over.
This is an urban myth perpetrated by Hardwick supporters.
When he took over as coach he had Cotchin, Rance, Delido Jack, Edwards ect.
His philosophy was always to play the kids in the first year to pick up some high draft picks not to win games.
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I'll agree that Dimma has gone backward in regards to coaching and is stagnating.
HE has run out of ideas and cannot seem to think outside the box.
But to say that a man who took us from being the worst team since fitzroy to an actually competitive team has done stuff all is disrespectful imo
He did well for the first 3-4 years at least.
Where are the facts that we were the worst team since Fitzroy when Hardwick took over.
This is an urban myth perpetrated by Hardwick supporters.
When he took over as coach he had Cotchin, Rance, Delido Jack, Edwards ect.
His philosophy was always to play the kids in the first year to pick up some high draft picks not to win games.
even Fitzroy had talent on the list, the rest was garbage... Our list 5-6 years ago was absolutely putrid aisde from those young players, how people bash the list we have now and deny how extremely poor our list back then was are kidding themselves really.
If you look back through my posts I am no hardwick supporter, however to say poo like "he cannot coach" is garbage. just because he isn't good enough to take us furthur doesn't mean he "cannot coach"
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I'll agree that Dimma has gone backward in regards to coaching and is stagnating.
HE has run out of ideas and cannot seem to think outside the box.
But to say that a man who took us from being the worst team since fitzroy to an actually competitive team has done stuff all is disrespectful imo
He did well for the first 3-4 years at least.
Where are the facts that we were the worst team since Fitzroy when Hardwick took over.
This is an urban myth perpetrated by Hardwick supporters.
When he took over as coach he had Cotchin, Rance, Delido Jack, Edwards ect.
His philosophy was always to play the kids in the first year to pick up some high draft picks not to win games.
even Fitzroy had talent on the list, the rest was garbage... Our list 5-6 years ago was absolutely putrid aisde from those young players, how people bash the list we have now and deny how extremely poor our list back then was are kidding themselves really.
If you look back through my posts I am no hardwick supporter, however to say poo like "he cannot coach" is garbage. just because he isn't good enough to take us furthur doesn't mean he "cannot coach"
He cannot take us further than 13th with a percentage of 79, means he cannot coach.
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Lol sorry
2010 won 6 games
2016 won 8 games
We are for all intensive purposes in our contending period, and still cannot maintain finals nor win a final.
2016 list in better shape, coach lost players. Time for change
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I'll agree that Dimma has gone backward in regards to coaching and is stagnating.
HE has run out of ideas and cannot seem to think outside the box.
But to say that a man who took us from being the worst team since fitzroy to an actually competitive team has done stuff all is disrespectful imo
He did well for the first 3-4 years at least.
Where are the facts that we were the worst team since Fitzroy when Hardwick took over.
This is an urban myth perpetrated by Hardwick supporters.
When he took over as coach he had Cotchin, Rance, Delido Jack, Edwards ect.
His philosophy was always to play the kids in the first year to pick up some high draft picks not to win games.
even Fitzroy had talent on the list, the rest was garbage... Our list 5-6 years ago was absolutely putrid aisde from those young players, how people bash the list we have now and deny how extremely poor our list back then was are kidding themselves really.
If you look back through my posts I am no hardwick supporter, however to say poo like "he cannot coach" is garbage. just because he isn't good enough to take us furthur doesn't mean he "cannot coach"
People have different opinions. Just because you believe something is true doesnt make it true.
But, at least we are being open and honest in our opinions and we say what me mean.
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I'll agree that Dimma has gone backward in regards to coaching and is stagnating.
HE has run out of ideas and cannot seem to think outside the box.
But to say that a man who took us from being the worst team since fitzroy to an actually competitive team has done stuff all is disrespectful imo
He did well for the first 3-4 years at least.
Where are the facts that we were the worst team since Fitzroy when Hardwick took over.
This is an urban myth perpetrated by Hardwick supporters.
When he took over as coach he had Cotchin, Rance, Delido Jack, Edwards ect.
His philosophy was always to play the kids in the first year to pick up some high draft picks not to win games.
Rance and Jack were hardly the superstars they are today - in fact they were largely maligned - even hated on this forum...getting the same kind of comments B.Ellis is recieving in 2016.
Edwards was just a very average C grader when Hardwick took over.
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I'll agree that Dimma has gone backward in regards to coaching and is stagnating.
HE has run out of ideas and cannot seem to think outside the box.
But to say that a man who took us from being the worst team since fitzroy to an actually competitive team has done stuff all is disrespectful imo
He did well for the first 3-4 years at least.
Where are the facts that we were the worst team since Fitzroy when Hardwick took over.
This is an urban myth perpetrated by Hardwick supporters.
When he took over as coach he had Cotchin, Rance, Delido Jack, Edwards ect.
His philosophy was always to play the kids in the first year to pick up some high draft picks not to win games.
Rance and Jack were hardly the superstars they are today - in fact they were largely maligned - even hated on this forum...getting the same kind of comments B.Ellis is recieving in 2016.
Edwards was just a very average C grader when Hardwick took over.
Oh come on now
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Fitzroy had some pretty handy players when they folded ...Boyd , Johnson, Malloy.
8 of them went to Brisbane as part of the merger.
Primus eventually went to Port Adelaide .
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Jack and rance copped a fair bit from the less evolved of the RFC fans - yet he b Ellis comparison is surely a step or two too far
(Claw excluded , this was his golden period)
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I'll agree that Dimma has gone backward in regards to coaching and is stagnating.
HE has run out of ideas and cannot seem to think outside the box.
But to say that a man who took us from being the worst team since fitzroy to an actually competitive team has done stuff all is disrespectful imo
He did well for the first 3-4 years at least.
Where are the facts that we were the worst team since Fitzroy when Hardwick took over.
This is an urban myth perpetrated by Hardwick supporters.
When he took over as coach he had Cotchin, Rance, Delido Jack, Edwards ect.
His philosophy was always to play the kids in the first year to pick up some high draft picks not to win games.
even Fitzroy had talent on the list, the rest was garbage... Our list 5-6 years ago was absolutely putrid aisde from those young players, how people bash the list we have now and deny how extremely poor our list back then was are kidding themselves really.
If you look back through my posts I am no hardwick supporter, however to say poo like "he cannot coach" is garbage. just because he isn't good enough to take us furthur doesn't mean he "cannot coach"
People have different opinions. Just because you believe something is true doesnt make it true.
But, at least we are being open and honest in our opinions and we say what me mean.
Like the time someone said the Dimma inherited Richo and Bowden
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He cannot take us further than 13th with a percentage of 79, means he cannot coach.
He has for the previous three years so that is actually incorrect
Rance and Jack were hardly the superstars they are today - in fact they were largely maligned - even hated on this forum...getting the same kind of comments B.Ellis is recieving in 2016.
Edwards was just a very average C grader when Hardwick took over.
Oh come on now
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its true. They were both maligned from a high portion of people (inside and out of this forum) for different reasons. Some people still don't think Jack is a good forward and want to trade him.
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Does losing to 9th place Carlton count ?
Need and asterix perhaps
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Lol sorry
2010 won 6 games
2016 won 8 games
We are for all intensive purposes in our contending period, and still cannot maintain finals nor win a final.
2016 list in better shape, coach lost players. Time for change
Correct!
and scored less this year than 2010!
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Lol sorry
2010 won 6 games
2016 won 8 games
We are for all intensive purposes in our contending period, and still cannot maintain finals nor win a final.
2016 list in better shape, coach lost players. Time for change
Correct!
and scored less this year than 2010!
Not hard when you turn an 80 goal a year* (potential) full forward into a slim flanker playing up the ground.
Then persist with a lazy flog like vickery who is now leaving and griff who has been completely unlucky his whole career with injuries.
Should've made the hard calls 3 years ago
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Patrick Smith saying we need to be patient and let Balme and Hardwick gel and need to give them the remainder of the 2 years of the contract. Be ready for the patience card
:dancing :dancing :dancing
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He cannot take us further than 13th with a percentage of 79, means he cannot coach.
He has for the previous three years so that is actually incorrect
Rance and Jack were hardly the superstars they are today - in fact they were largely maligned - even hated on this forum...getting the same kind of comments B.Ellis is recieving in 2016.
Edwards was just a very average C grader when Hardwick took over.
Oh come on now
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its true. They were both maligned from a high portion of people (inside and out of this forum) for different reasons. Some people still don't think Jack is a good forward and want to trade him.
I know
It was bellis comparison that got me
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To all those apologists and wankers that think a coach doesn't make a difference to success.
........ Go Doggies! :clapping
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
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To all those apologists and wankers that think a coach doesn't make a difference to success.
........ Go Doggies! :clapping
Yep... plus the support team the coach is in charge of assembling
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
Hippocrit. You say this but your need for a Hampson cavaet proves youve compromised yourself.
You have no right to lecture.
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
Hippocrit. You say this but your need for a Hampson cavaet proves youve compromised yourself.
You have no right to lecture.
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I think he is off his meds
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
Hippocrit. You say this but your need for a Hampson cavaet proves youve compromised yourself.
You have no right to lecture.
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I think he is off his meds
He has no right to take the high moral ground with everyone else given all his 'calls' on players.
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What a great game.
Perfect example of a united team all playing for each other with 1 vision. Things never change it all stems from the coach. Always has and always will. You still need other things right like list management, leadership, player development and ofcourse a game plan. But the number 1 thing that effects results at a footy club is the effectiveness of the top job - the coach.
Get real RFC. Dimma is a dud.
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Time we stop copying other clubs.
Another club that has one a flag for perfecting something unique. Lightening quick ball movements no KP defenders or forwards. Bit part ruckman. Elite movers of the ball and rotating mids through just bout every position on the ground.
Stop copying Hawks model from 8 years ago. Need to be innovative. New coach please.
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I'm still not convinced he is the man that can coach a flag.
Big difference between creating a finals team and a premiership one, just ask St Kilda or the Bulldogs.
:clapping
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What a great game.
Perfect example of a united team all playing for each other with 1 vision. Things never change it all stems from the coach. Always has and always will. You still need other things right like list management, leadership, player development and ofcourse a game plan. But the number 1 thing that effects results at a footy club is the effectiveness of the top job - the coach.
Get real RFC. Dimma is a dud.
Excellent post
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All that crap about not sacking Hardwick because it's going to cost too much money blah blah
And it's going to effect our soft cap bloody footy spend limit blah blah blah.
Who gives a poo! A good bank balance won't win you a premiership.
Plenty clubs are in a shot load of debt but can be successful but we are too scared to make the hard decisions because we love stability.
How long does a good coach need to turn things around? Beverage says two years! :rollin
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What a great game.
Perfect example of a united team all playing for each other with 1 vision. Things never change it all stems from the coach. Always has and always will. You still need other things right like list management, leadership, player development and ofcourse a game plan. But the number 1 thing that effects results at a footy club is the effectiveness of the top job - the coach.
Get real RFC. Dimma is a dud.
Excellent post
:clapping
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Lmao at hardwick comparitively
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
Hippocrit. You say this but your need for a Hampson cavaet proves youve compromised yourself.
You have no right to lecture.
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I think he is off his meds
He has no right to take the high moral ground with everyone else given all his 'calls' on players.
Oh really, you backed Batchelor, I didn't, my calls on Edwards, Batchelor and Morris have been spot on. I have every right to an opinion, grow up.
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
Hippocrit. You say this but your need for a Hampson cavaet proves youve compromised yourself.
You have no right to lecture.
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I think he is off his meds
He has no right to take the high moral ground with everyone else given all his 'calls' on players.
Oh really, you backed Batchelor, I didn't, my calls on Edwards, Batchelor and Morris have been spot on. I have every right to an opinion, grow up.
What call on Edwards was that, you bagged him one year, then blew smoke up his bum the next year, then bagged him the year after and so on so on
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
Hippocrit. You say this but your need for a Hampson cavaet proves youve compromised yourself.
You have no right to lecture.
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I think he is off his meds
He has no right to take the high moral ground with everyone else given all his 'calls' on players.
Oh really, you backed Batchelor, I didn't, my calls on Edwards, Batchelor and Morris have been spot on. I have every right to an opinion, grow up.
Oh FFS....havent you got it yet? I supported Batchelor to mock your support of Hampson.
Your belated support for Edwards when in blistering form was embarassing.
And then Rance. That sting for some reason?
Shut your throat.
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Sack the bum
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All that crap about not sacking Hardwick because it's going to cost too much money blah blah
And it's going to effect our soft cap bloody footy spend limit blah blah blah.
Who gives a poo! A good bank balance won't win you a premiership.
Plenty clubs are in a shot load of debt but can be successful but we are too scared to make the hard decisions because we love stability.
How long does a good coach need to turn things around? Beverage says two years! :rollin
But we get those intellectual excuses from dimmer, which makes it all worthwhile.
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Im as mad as hell >:(
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
Hippocrit. You say this but your need for a Hampson cavaet proves youve compromised yourself.
You have no right to lecture.
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I think he is off his meds
He has no right to take the high moral ground with everyone else given all his 'calls' on players.
Oh really, you backed Batchelor, I didn't, my calls on Edwards, Batchelor and Morris have been spot on. I have every right to an opinion, grow up.
Oh FFS....havent you got it yet? I supported Batchelor to mock your support of Hampson.
Your belated support for Edwards when in blistering form was embarassing.
And then Rance. That sting for some reason?
Shut your throat.
Grow up. I have always supported Rance so get off the gear. You love Batch and that was obvious. Edwards I said had improved and needed to maintain that and he didn't. Charles Dickens has absolutely nothing on your stories. Now grow up please and act like an adult. There is no need for the abuse, stop acting the child.
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Great win by Footscray.
Amazing what a good coach can do.
Coach is an ex-teacher, says it all really.
:lol
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Lmao at hardwick comparitively
^^
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
I know you're not the quickest horse in the paddock but the Bulldogs actually went past us last year, I am not sure why it took a GF win to you actually realized that
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^^ Oh so now teams have passed us have they....gee, make up your mind please instead of running with the hares and hunting with the hounds....
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Eached him play in a final last night.
Saw him twice.
Once at the start, trying to push blokes around - ended up on his back.
Second time, on the bench looking dejected.
Stability.
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^^ Oh so now teams have passed us have they....gee, make up your mind please instead of running with the hares and hunting with the hounds....
Yeh I've been saying it for ages, keep up man you make RFC supporters look dopey especially with your comments on ball drop
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How would Hardwick feel after watching the GF.?
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has. The RFC should be bloody ashamed of the way they have gone about it. Melbourne will have their flag soon enough to.
Keep scoffing at the clubs that have passed us comment, the apologists, RCGG and BB just accept mediocracy. Oh and no, I don't accept Hampson as the answer but like I have said a billion times, he is all we have. What does that tell you of where we are when Hampson is all we have (did well too).
All hail Conca, B Ellis, Batchelor and the others....well done RFC.
I know you're not the quickest horse in the paddock but the Bulldogs actually went past us last year, I am not sure why it took a GF win to you actually realized that
Who is saying that Bulldogs have gone past us?
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Lol @ Hardwick career.
Lol @ Hardwick and Dan Rich excuses that we were hindered with lack of draft opportunities because of expansion clubs... Doggies were finished 2 years ago. No coach, No captain. 20 months later. Premiers.
Beveridge, who has never won a flag, never won anything at AFL level - When his moment of glory came to lift the cup, stand on the dias and pump the fists to everyone who doubted him or point to his family, he hands it all over to Bob Murphy. Class. Whilst we put up with some pig who makes jokes about his sex life, can never remember a wanky cliche, laughs off 20 goal losses and gives jobs to his mates. Absolute dud.
Well done Beveridge if only the RFC were so lucky to have a coach like you.
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Well said
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How would Hardwick feel after watching the GF.?
He's thinking...
"Some teams are tackling teams, we're not a high tackling team...."
"I have the blueprint to success, we must stick by the process because this is the best list I've seen in my time at the club & we have the cream coming through that will take us to the next level......" :rollin
At the same time he's saying to himself, "the swans should've coralled the Bulldogs instead of trying to tackle, they should've gone backwards to go forwards, hugged the boundary line, maintained possession and kicked to the pockets when going inside 50 and they would've beat the Bulldogs". :rollin
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How would Hardwick feel after watching the GF.?
He's thinking...
"Some teams are tackling teams, we're not a high tackling team...."
"I have the blueprint to success, we must stick by the process because this is the best list I've seen in my time at the club & we have the cream coming through that will take us to the next level......" :rollin
At the same time he's saying to himself, "the swans should've coralled the Bulldogs instead of trying to tackle, they should've gone backwards to go forwards, hugged the boundary line, maintained possession and kicked to the pockets when going inside 50 and they would've beat the Bulldogs". :rollin
T, magnifique :bow
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Lol @ Hardwick and Dan Rich excuses that we were hindered with lack of draft opportunities because of expansion clubs... Doggies were finished 2 years ago. No coach, No captain. 20 months later. Premiers.
But Richmond were worse than fitzory zomg
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And yet supporters squeal with the mention of trading Top 5 players in order to get multiple 1st round picks when the breadth of the list isn't good enough....and salivate over the import of retread hacks like Yarran. Yes Hardwick and the Admin are duds but the enabling supporters are to blame as well.
Balme has been brought in to allegedly change this paradigm so his feet must be held to the fire by all of us. We are not even close. I would trade Cotchin, Deledio, Vickery and Bellis for picks and would not give up pick 6 unless it is for 2 latter round 1 selections.
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And yet supporters squeal with the mention of trading Top 5 players in order to get multiple 1st round picks when the breadth of the list isn't good enough....and salivate over the import of retread hacks like Yarran. Yes Hardwick and the Admin are duds but the enabling supporters are to blame as well.
Balme has been brought in to allegedly change this paradigm so his feet must be held to the fire by all of us. We are not even close. I would trade Cotchin, Deledio, Vickery and Bellis for picks and would not give up pick 6 unless it is for 2 latter round 1 selections.
Who did beverage give away... Ryan griffin and ....
Bob murphy was flying. Boyd got 30 in a flag. Morris looked like glen jackovich. He's done alright with what was there by and large. I think most people would be happy offloading our better players for Patton or Cameron. The club is too meek and rubbish for daring ruthless trades
Outside of big-fish millionaire (star) Boyd they have got everything out of 2nd/3rd/4th former rounders. The anti Richmond.
Well done to them
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Don't forget the Dog's bottomed out for years to get their list. Ladder possies were 10th 15th 15th 14th 6th and 7th so 3 years tanking after a mid run effort plus some father sons. Great coach but they went the 5+ year rebuild after the compromised drafts and they still haven't finished top 4. We could just as easily be talking about their gradual progression if they lost the preliminary.
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
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To all those apologists and wankers who continually take cheap shots at those of us who say "clubs have passed us" well here is another one that has.
Claim it for a few years in a row and you're bound to get it right eventually
Yes Hardwick and the Admin are duds but the enabling supporters are to blame as well.
Damn members ruining it for the rest of the "fans"
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it...... :clapping
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it......
I agree that it was. However, the symbolic gesture of doing what the club wanted though was completely ignored. Sometimes you accept to do things you don't agree with for the sake of unity....
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it......
I agree that it was. However, the symbolic gesture of doing what the club wanted though was completely ignored. Sometimes you accept to do things you don't agree with for the sake of unity....
The easiest thing for Cotch to do back then was to wear the number 17. It took leadership IMO to do what he did. I really liked what he did.
But that's not to say he wasn't being selfish either though.
Time for Cotch to just concentrate on playing good footy now and give the captaincy up. But I don't think our club is strong enough to do it.
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it...... :clapping
I thought the #17 thing was in honor of the great Kane Johnson .... :-\
I have to agree, it is contrived & it reeks of trying too hard. We put up a bronze statue of the guy & named a stand after him, isn't that enough honoring without dragging the current players into it? I reckon Jack himself would want them to cut it out & get on with it!
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it......
I agree that it was. However, the symbolic gesture of doing what the club wanted though was completely ignored. Sometimes you accept to do things you don't agree with for the sake of unity....
The easiest thing for Cotch to do back then was to wear the number 17. It took leadership IMO to do what he did. I really liked what he did.
But that's not to say he wasn't being selfish either though.
Time for Cotch to just concentrate on playing good footy now and give the captaincy up. But I don't think our club is strong enough to do it.
Couldn't imagine Beveridge asking Bob Murphy to wear the number 3 guernsey (EJ's) and him refusing......
Therein lies the difference between the two teams.
Ps. And yes I know Wallis wears it. I'm just throwing in a hypothetical.
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it...... :clapping
I thought the #17 thing was in honor of the great Kane Johnson .... :-\
I have to agree, it is contrived & it reeks of trying too hard. We put up a bronze statue of the guy & named a stand after him, isn't that enough honoring without dragging the current players into it? I reckon Jack himself would want them to cut it out & get on with it!
Again, it's not about the number 17. It's about doing the club thing!
Do you think it's necessary to do the kayaking crap they do on the club summer camp? Of course it isn't. However, you participate so you can be all in it together.
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it......
I agree that it was. However, the symbolic gesture of doing what the club wanted though was completely ignored. Sometimes you accept to do things you don't agree with for the sake of unity....
The easiest thing for Cotch to do back then was to wear the number 17. It took leadership IMO to do what he did. I really liked what he did.
But that's not to say he wasn't being selfish either though.
Time for Cotch to just concentrate on playing good footy now and give the captaincy up. But I don't think our club is strong enough to do it.
Couldn't imagine Beveridge asking Bob Murphy to wear the number 3 guernsey (EJ's) and him refusing......
Therein lies the difference between the two teams.
Ps. And yes I know Wallis wears it. I'm just throwing in a hypothetical.
It's ok not to be a robot though, just because the club tells you to do something. If as a leader you don't agree than why not do something about it.
If the club was strong about it, Cotch would have taken the number 17.
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The number 17 thing was the biggest stuffing load of poo bollocks
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it......
I agree that it was. However, the symbolic gesture of doing what the club wanted though was completely ignored. Sometimes you accept to do things you don't agree with for the sake of unity....
The easiest thing for Cotch to do back then was to wear the number 17. It took leadership IMO to do what he did. I really liked what he did.
But that's not to say he wasn't being selfish either though.
Time for Cotch to just concentrate on playing good footy now and give the captaincy up. But I don't think our club is strong enough to do it.
Couldn't imagine Beveridge asking Bob Murphy to wear the number 3 guernsey (EJ's) and him refusing......
Therein lies the difference between the two teams.
Exactly :clapping
Cotchin is in it for himself
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The number 17 thing was the biggest stuffing load of poo bollocks
I agree. So too are a million other things that are done at clubs. However, it shows selflessness to do what the club wants and what you don't want to do.
Again, Beveridge could ask his players to go and slit their forearms and they would without hesitation. It's the mentality needed to put the team first to the point that you'd win a flag.
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it......
I agree that it was. However, the symbolic gesture of doing what the club wanted though was completely ignored. Sometimes you accept to do things you don't agree with for the sake of unity....
The easiest thing for Cotch to do back then was to wear the number 17. It took leadership IMO to do what he did. I really liked what he did.
But that's not to say he wasn't being selfish either though.
Time for Cotch to just concentrate on playing good footy now and give the captaincy up. But I don't think our club is strong enough to do it.
Couldn't imagine Beveridge asking Bob Murphy to wear the number 3 guernsey (EJ's) and him refusing......
Therein lies the difference between the two teams.
Ps. And yes I know Wallis wears it. I'm just throwing in a hypothetical.
lol i couldnt imagine Beveredge worrying about such a pointless, grand standing exercise.
from memory one of the reasons cotchin didnt want to change numbers was for the kids that wore his number. selfish git.
it was a wank fest and as a leader, he, hopefully, put paid to it.
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The stand out for me is the doggies play for each other. Genuinely.
In comparison, Richmond players look like a bunch of individuals who at best 'get along'.
And at the doggies that has a helluva lot to do with their leaders or in particular their captain one Bob Murphy. Galvanised that group
You're right again WP. :clapping
All started with Cotchin not wanting to wear the number 17 guernsey. It spoke volumes about the way he placed his own wants over the clubs. Doggies have a team first mentality. It is palpable. We have a "every man for himself" mentality and it also shows...... :banghead
Cotchin was right - the whole "Captain wears 17" thing was contrived bollocks...glad he put a stop to it......
I agree that it was. However, the symbolic gesture of doing what the club wanted though was completely ignored. Sometimes you accept to do things you don't agree with for the sake of unity....
The easiest thing for Cotch to do back then was to wear the number 17. It took leadership IMO to do what he did. I really liked what he did.
But that's not to say he wasn't being selfish either though.
Time for Cotch to just concentrate on playing good footy now and give the captaincy up. But I don't think our club is strong enough to do it.
Couldn't imagine Beveridge asking Bob Murphy to wear the number 3 guernsey (EJ's) and him refusing......
Therein lies the difference between the two teams.
Ps. And yes I know Wallis wears it. I'm just throwing in a hypothetical.
lol i couldnt imagine Beveredge worrying about such a pointless, grand standing exercise.
from memory one of the reasons cotchin didnt want to change numbers was for the kids that wore his number. selfish git.
it was a wank fest and as a leader, he, hopefully, put paid to it.
I cannot remember him ever saying that! Get me a quote or you're making it up Alistair.
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John Platten refused to change numbers when Jeans asked him to, as Alan believed that high numbers are for players yet to prove themselves.
Thank stuff we never had platten at the club, as no doubt that act symbolised the problems that plagued Hawthorn through the 80s
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John Platten refused to change numbers when Jeans asked him to, as Alan believed that high numbers are for players yet to prove themselves.
Thank stuff we never had platten at the club, as no doubt that act symbolised the problems that plagued Hawthorn through the 80s
That's a bit different from the club "rule" that the captain wears number 17. Respect the rules, even if they are silly. The club was just as weak not enforcing it though.
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I said from memory, which means that if it is incorrect it is my memory, not making stuff up. so no need to idiot just because others disagree with you. you can stop being a doctor on here.
The thread is most probably merged into the cotchin thread and the search function is useless on these forum boards
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People complain all year about unity and the club having a vision that everyone buys into and now 'suddenly' they are happy Cotchin went against the club
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John Platten refused to change numbers when Jeans asked him to, as Alan believed that high numbers are for players yet to prove themselves.
Thank stuff we never had platten at the club, as no doubt that act symbolised the problems that plagued Hawthorn through the 80s
That's a bit different from the club "rule" that the captain wears number 17. Respect the rules, even if they are silly. The club was just as weak not enforcing it though.
it was a "rule", same as we have now, or as much of one as the number 17 was a rule.
It was a player going directly against the express wishes of the coach.
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John Platten refused to change numbers when Jeans asked him to, as Alan believed that high numbers are for players yet to prove themselves.
Thank stuff we never had platten at the club, as no doubt that act symbolised the problems that plagued Hawthorn through the 80s
That's a bit different from the club "rule" that the captain wears number 17. Respect the rules, even if they are silly. The club was just as weak not enforcing it though.
it was a "rule", same as we have now, or as much of one as the number 17 was a rule.
It was a player going directly against the express wishes of the coach.
It was a suggestion from Jeans as he preferred it. It was not a club rule. Very different. Platten wasn't even the captain.The captain sets the trend.
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Think you will find it was a policy that jeans implemented as it was something he wanted to happen, yet dimma couldnt have given a stuff about the number 17 thing.
But Hardwick is wondering what all the fuss is about.
Asked if he was surprised about the obsession with guernsey numbers, Hardwick said: "It does (surprise me), a fraction. I suppose it's something as a coach you often don't think about.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16999.msg342188#msg342188
as for not being captain, does that give any more right to not follow team rules, coaches wishes or whatever or are you suggesting that only the captain has to do so?
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Al is correct, I do recall Cotch saying that and no I can't be bothered giving you the proof you require and no I'm not making it up.
It was a ridiculous rule and I'm glad cotch put a stop to it. For mine it symbolised what our club has become, - grandstanding and doing things for the sake of being seen to be doing something
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I respect that cotchin attempted to mark the beginning of a new era.
It's the club who allowed the decision.
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Having said that, let's go with 17 now
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Why do we need to go with 17?
Just stuffing carve out our own history and stop looking in the past which is a problem this club has had for about 20 odd years
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Why do we need to go with 17?
Just stuffing carve out our own history and stop looking in the past which is a problem this club has had for about 20 odd years
We tried that. Lolw
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And we tried to go with 17, that was a bit of a joke too.
So where does that leave us? Lol
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Why do we need to go with 17?
Just stuffing carve out our own history and stop looking in the past which is a problem this club has had for about 20 odd years
What about number 6? I liked David Palm as a player. Plus, when Cotch kakks himself and sticks his head in the sand, his 9 looks like a 6. Win win. Win.
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And we tried to go with 17, that was a bit of a joke too.
So where does that leave us? Lol
Subtract 9 from 17
8 ;D
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15 Bobby Herad
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stuff it why not? ;D
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45 Wayne Shand :clapping
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How about the good old reliable #39? Tony Jewell could do with a few more honors ... ;D
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80
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A tradition is a crap tradition if it has been around for five min
Bagging Cotchin over the number thing is pretty dumb
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I said from memory, which means that if it is incorrect it is my memory, not making stuff up. so no need to idiot just because others disagree with you. you can stop being a doctor on here.
The thread is most probably merged into the cotchin thread and the search function is useless on these forum boards
What have I said that is medical? It's like me saying for you to stop being a transexual and go back to calling yourself Al or Alistair.
In other words, it's irrelevant to the conversation.
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If the club was strong about it, Cotch would have taken the number 17.
Agree with you here.
On this number 17 thing. It was the board that was weak, extremely weak as much as you can argue Cotchin was selfish. They introduced the captain to wear number 17, their reasoning for it was for the absolute right reasons.
They did not enforce their own rule. They allowed a player to dictate to them . Player said i dont want to, they said ok you dont have to. Poor leadership. If Cotchin wanted the captaincy then he had take on everything that went with it. Not take on the bits he wanted to. But the board at the time led by Gary March allowed it and the rest is history
Everyone on here knows my views on the cqptain wearing number 17 and my support of it. Accept that I've always been in the minority but based on the reasons why it was introduced i believe it was good call.
So just a couple of other points
The captain wearing number 17 was introduced after the outrage caused by giving Paul Hudson number 17 in 2002. Club received alot of complaints more than they ever did when the introduced the captain wearing it thing. Decision was made to have the captain wear it. It was embraced at the time by all coaches and players.
Cotchin did indeed use as one of his reasons for not wanting to waer number 17 the fact he liked seeing kids with number 9 on other backs and didnt want to have to get new jumpers
On jumper numbers Dimma is a hypocrite. In one breath he says 1st year players have to earn the right to get a lower number but in the next breath says when it comes to the captains number, numbers aren't important. Which is it exactly. Flip flops depending on what? the player or circumstance
Finally, the other reason i used Bob Murphy as example of great leadership is because when it comes to talking about his club you don't get any on this "inside our 4 walls" crap like you do from our captain & coach. Don't get it from Beveridge eitber. When they talk club they talk about family, inclusive of everyone
Our club could learn a thing or two IMESHO
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A tradition is a crap tradition if it has been around for five min
Bagging Cotchin over the number thing is pretty dumb
All tradition start at a point in time
Green jacket at the US Masters has a start point
The kids presenting the Gf medals is now consider a tradition of GF day but its only been around a few years
So in your world how long does something need to be in play before you deem it a tradition?
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WGAF
Sack hardwick
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WGAF
Sack hardwick
You don't have an answer then?
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A tradition is a crap tradition if it has been around for five min
Bagging Cotchin over the number thing is pretty dumb
All tradition start at a point in time
I'm sad to say that before any tradition is started, we must first establish a culture n
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Miles. Gone
Deledio gone.
Lennon gone
Get rid of the good players
Good idea Dimma you bastard
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A tradition is a crap tradition if it has been around for five min
Bagging Cotchin over the number thing is pretty dumb
All tradition start at a point in time
I'm sad to say that before any tradition is started, we must first establish a culture n
exactly right and dont contrive them based on past history and halcyon days. Develop a new culture with some success and new traditions will naturally evolve. We are so far off the past its not even worth looking back anymore.
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Delevingne a winning culture is so much easier said than done though
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Cara?
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Delevingne a winning culture is so much easier said than done though
Delivering a losing culture seems to be the go
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Miles. Gone
Deledio gone.
Lennon gone
Get rid of the good players
Good idea Dimma you bastard
I believe this is incorrect. I have asked Miles' uncle directly (they're a VERY tight family) who I know from caring for a member of their family for a prolonged period of time.
His response - 'No he wants to stay at the Tigers looking at a contract extension early next season. Clearly wants to stay.'
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Cara?
Too bad we don't have a side in the women's comp......digs chicks these days, so would fit right in....... :shh
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2018: C.Ellis, Griffiths, Grimes, Hampson, Houli, Lloyd, Markov, Menadue, Yarran
:facepalm
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This was due for a bump
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Like
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:snidegrin
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If Trump loses the election he can come and coach RFC.
:lol
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Clarko gives out Mitchell for list balance.
Beveridge wins flag two year
Dimma plops along with his band of ploppers
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His tried and trusted stable of mediocroty.
What a loser. Lol.
He wants so badly to be able to tell us that he was right.
It's more a measurement of his delusion
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Sorry.
Iceberg.
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Clarko gives out Mitchell for list balance.
Beveridge wins flag two year
Dimma plops along with his band of ploppers
Am sure we recruit via a dartboard, the Dogs, Hawks and pretty much every other club seem to have a plan but we seem so haphazard in comparison.
If we do happen to nab the odd good player its more by luck than good management, doesnt give the supporters much confidence moving forward.
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Is it done yet? ::) I'm waiting
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Still Stunning we are moving fwd into the future with this absolute proven loser.
What an indictment on the club.
You have to ask yourself - why?
There will be an explanation beyond common sense. Speculate and you will be closer to the truth.
That's why you as a member, a supporter, a donor has to waste another year of your life.
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You have to ask yourself - why?
Look, in a funny kinda way we feel that we are a fukn rabble and want to try our luck and bet it all on black.
.......and thats important to us
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You have to ask yourself - why?
Look, in a funny kinda way we feel that we are a fukn rabble and want to try our luck and bet it all on black.
That is why we do deals like CY
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Lol I had roulette in mind
Though I remember Wesley Snipes once said " Always bet on black" :shh
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That's why you as a member, a supporter, a donor has to waste another year of your life.
No need to repeat yourself
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Gee if Dimma got sacked, how many clubs would be chasing him?
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Probably a few as an assistant......look at Leppa,Sanderson,Craig,Harvey,McCartney,Voss etc...ffs even Neeld got another gig....
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Women's team
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Probably a few as an assistant......look at Leppa,Sanderson,Craig,Harvey,McCartney,Voss etc...even Neeld got another gig ffs....
:lol
Yes, it is unbelievable.
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King phoned the coach, and claims Hardwick told him: “I’m not an idiot. I’m not gonna let you punch the f--- out of me because I dropped you.’”
Disagree
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Now this would really top off the trade period nicely..... :clapping
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For me should be gone.The problem I have with him is he is stubborn and hard headed and doesn't change.I'm hoping with new assistants that changes and Balme he is out of his comfort zone surrounded by his mates.His game plan is outdated.
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After re-signing Martin, it should be the next order of business (should actually be the first but Martin apparently loves him)...followed by going after Fyfe.... :shh
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After re-signing Martin, it should be the next order of business (should actually be the first but Martin apparently loves him)...followed by going after Fyfe.... :shh
Couldn't agree more
Lets hope Fyfe is a big fan of Stability... Those shoulders better be able to carry 10 blokes a game
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That he's still there is just another example of bad business
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A new year and the media already have their sights on Dimma.
New Year's resolutions: Each coach's wish for 2017
Ashley Browne
afl.com.au
January 2, 2017
SOME people opt for a 'New year, new me' attitude and the AFL coaches are the same, laying out their plans for 2017. AFL.com.au has compiled the New Year's resolutions for each senior coach.
Damien Hardwick - To keep some packing boxes in the corner of the office. Just in case.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-01-01/new-years-resolutions-each-coachs-wish-for-2017
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He should get a casual job with Uhaul.
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Apparently Clarko was sitting next to Peggy at the tennis last night...... :shh
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Apparently Clarko was sitting next to Peggy at the tennis last night...... :shh
he probably felt sorry for her
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Bumping this thread for his comments about the new 'game plan'.
I know he is supposed to 'feed the chooks' but this is why we have hired Neil Balme.
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Nice bump, not having a post in this thread for nigh on two months is just ridiculous
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Not a post in here since the season started, WTF is going on.
Calling all chicken littles, soap box queens and Thai lady bois, get a voice and start venting your displeasure
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We are a very poor skilful team.
Going faster a bit.
Best thing is Bulter, Castanga and Rioli's pressure and "take on the match" approach.
Huge issues with our tall forwards.
Prestia and Caddy haven't been that good after 2 rounds ...
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We are a very poor skilful team.
Going faster a bit.
Best thing is Bulter, Castanga and Rioli's pressure and "take on the match" approach.
Huge issues with our tall forwards.
Prestia and Caddy haven't been that good after 2 rounds ...
Won't be an issue when we win the flag and have picks 15 & 18 and trade them to Brisbane for Schake.
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If anyone thinks Dimma is the mastermind of finally playing decent footy, they are actually more stupid than Dimma himself.
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pee of dimwit and bring in clarko
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If anyone thinks Dimma is the mastermind of finally playing decent footy, they are actually more stupid than Dimma himself.
Surely the unbeaten start is due to the geniuses on this forum .
The game on the weekend clearly demonstrates how much Hardwick has lost the players .
:sarcasm2
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If anyone thinks Dimma is the mastermind of finally playing decent footy, they are actually more stupid than Dimma himself.
Surely the unbeaten start is due to the geniuses on this forum .
The game on the weekend clearly demonstrates how much Hardwick has lost the players .
:sarcasm2
Collingwood and wce kickD a thousand points ...
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West Coast kicked 8.11 6 rushed behinds .
We kicked 11.9 with 1 rushed behind .
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So this year we are playing fast play on take the game on style, last year it was you know what. So who calls the shots here, Has Hardwick had a change of heart after persisting with the dinky do n't style of play or are his assistant coaches calling the shots.
It's a mystery to me.
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So this year we are playing fast play on take the game on style, last year it was you know what. So who calls the shots here, Has Hardwick had a change of heart after persisting with the dinky do n't style of play or are his assistant coaches calling the shots.
It's a mystery to me.
I really don't careso long as it is getting results. If a coach being a puppet is the blue print for success then so be it.
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So this year we are playing fast play on take the game on style, last year it was you know what. So who calls the shots here, Has Hardwick had a change of heart after persisting with the dinky do n't style of play or are his assistant coaches calling the shots.
It's a mystery to me.
One of the assistants put forward an idea, they talked about it and collectively decided to give it a try.
Nobody is calling the shots.
Fact (with apologies to Jackstar)
:cheers
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If anyone thinks Dimma is the mastermind of finally playing decent footy, they are actually more stupid than Dimma himself.
This gameplan has been an intention of Dimma for a long time. Finally has the men behind him to implement it efficiently. :shh
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So this year we are playing fast play on take the game on style, last year it was you know what. So who calls the shots here, Has Hardwick had a change of heart after persisting with the dinky do n't style of play or are his assistant coaches calling the shots.
It's a mystery to me.
After the dogs won the flag in that fashion...
I don't even think Dimma could of stuck to his dumbass gameplan
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If anyone thinks Dimma is the mastermind of finally playing decent footy, they are actually more stupid than Dimma himself.
This gameplan has been an intention of Dimma for a long time. Finally has the men behind him to implement it efficiently. :shh
Surely you're being facetious.
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Those who know Dimma know that he is a deep thinker and his plans span generations
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So this year we are playing fast play on take the game on style, last year it was you know what. So who calls the shots here, Has Hardwick had a change of heart after persisting with the dinky do n't style of play or are his assistant coaches calling the shots.
It's a mystery to me.
After the dogs won the flag in that fashion...
I don't even think Dimma could of stuck to his dumbass gameplan
This.
Which shows how right everyone was on here that those assistants we had were a bunch of duds.
Il reserve judgement on this reformed Hardwick when the club actually wins a final and progresses forward.
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Those who know Dimma know that he is a deep thinker and his plans span generations
You trying to hint at that secret I shared with you?
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Those who know Dimma know that he is a deep thinker and his plans span generations
You trying to hint at that secret I shared with you?
I didn't want to say too much on a public forum but yes that's right
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Those who know Dimma know that he is a deep thinker and his plans span generations
You trying to hint at that secret I shared with you?
I didn't want to say too much on a public forum but yes that's right
LMFAO bedtime stories i bet.
It hasnt stopped you talking skata for the better part of 5 years so why stop now?
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Those who know Dimma know that he is a deep thinker and his plans span generations
You trying to hint at that secret I shared with you?
I didn't want to say too much on a public forum but yes that's right
LMFAO bedtime stories i bet.
It hasnt stopped you talking skata for the better part of 5 years so why stop now?
I take offense to that.
I am sure it has been longer than five years.
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Should report him for posting rumours without a source because it's been clearly longer than 5 years
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I wasnt comfortable with this thread being on page 3 so lets revisit it.
FWIW i still want him sacked if we dont move forward, but facts are it wont happen until seasons end , if at all.
any comments?
he should be judged at seasons now and whilst these wins are nice, he should be judged come seasons end and especially after our september campaign if we make it.
dont progress forward then sack the bum and install blake as our coach.
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I wasnt comfortable with this thread being on page 3 so lets revisit it.
FWIW i still want him sacked if we dont move forward, but facts are it wont happen until seasons end , if at all.
any comments?
he should be judged at seasons now and whilst these wins are nice, he should be judged come seasons end and especially after our september campaign if we make it.
dont progress forward then sack the bum and install blake as our coach.
Blake won't be there at seasons end.
He will be coaching Collingwood.
The only way that we will retain him is if the board puts in a succession plan and gets Dimma to agree.
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Fwiw, I still want the useless prick gone.
LMAO at losing Caracella to Colonwood and going back to aimless footy.
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I still can't see Dimma coaching us to a flag but am prepared to hold out some hope...
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I wasnt comfortable with this thread being on page 3 so lets revisit it.
FWIW i still want him sacked if we dont move forward, but facts are it wont happen until seasons end , if at all.
any comments?
he should be judged at seasons now and whilst these wins are nice, he should be judged come seasons end and especially after our september campaign if we make it.
dont progress forward then sack the bum and install blake as our coach.
Blake won't be there at seasons end.
He will be coaching Collingwood.
The only way that we will retain him is if the board puts in a succession plan and gets Dimma to agree.
Offer Dimma a promotion.
Do we have a Director of Coaching?
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Why would we promote him?
8 years, $4-5 million in salary for a return of 3 possibly 4 finals campaigns. I'm not sure that even resembles a promotion.
He'd make a decent senior assistant at a club like the Bulldogs.
Neil Balme is proving we need people who have achieved elite results at other clubs in our senior positions
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You all understand that this tool has been kept on simply out of the need for Piggy and Ben to justify their unprofessional decisions and club management.
Get Blake, use his nouse (fkstick clearly has nfi) and keep the token tool on, to soften the reality of how many years they wasted, both in terms of recruitment and establishing a winning culture under a winning coach.
In one way it's an admission that they're stuffn imbeciles...but sneaky dog ones.
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How much dribble can one person include in a post!!!
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As astute posters have stated previously a succession plan is hopefully in place or will be. The inner sanctum and players know where this improvement has come from and it wasn't from a 'cock n bull', 'road to damascus' moment where Dimma's supposed "let them play" theory was borne. Ryan ferguson said when commenting on Shia Bolton, and I quote: " we don't care about the number of possessions, we care about their impact on the game"....Hallelujah! These aren't the words of "possessions at all cost" Dimma.....no way.
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Losing Caracella to Collingwood will be like when we lost Sheedy to Essendon....except without the excuse that the incumbent had just coached us to a premiership...
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You all understand that this tool has been kept on simply out of the need for Piggy and Ben to justify their unprofessional decisions and club management.
Get Blake, use his nouse (fkstick clearly has nfi) and keep the token tool on, to soften the reality of how many years they wasted, both in terms of recruitment and establishing a winning culture under a winning coach.
In one way it's an admission that they're stuffn imbeciles...but sneaky dog ones.
I dont disagree with this.
Astute and reasonable comment
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Bump
I'm on board.
We need a new Captain and Coach.
How about making Rance Captain-Coach?
:cheers
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Bump
I'm on board.
We need a new Captain and Coach.
How about making Rance Captain-Coach?
:cheers
:snidegrin
For how long now?
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Should've been sacked end of last year with everyone else. Given a second chance this year, so far I'd say 5-3 isn't a bad result. What's the pass mark ?
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I would of taken 5-3 at the start of the year but **** me we could be 7-1 .
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Should've been sacked end of last year with everyone else. Given a second chance this year, so far I'd say 5-3 isn't a bad result. What's the pass mark ?
Whatever it is, he won't get there
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Should've been sacked end of last year with everyone else. Given a second chance this year, so far I'd say 5-3 isn't a bad result. What's the pass mark ?
Whatever it is, he won't get there
And he'll probably get a contract extension irrespective
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Bump
I'm on board.
We need a new Captain and Coach.
How about making Rance Captain-Coach?
:cheers
Care to explain why this week?
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Bump
I'm on board.
We need a new Captain and Coach.
How about making Rance Captain-Coach?
:cheers
Care to explain why this week?
No thanks
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:lol
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5-3 deserves an extension. Giddy up.
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Bump
I'm on board.
We need a new Captain and Coach.
How about making Rance Captain-Coach?
:cheers
Care to explain why this week?
No thanks
Thats pretty effing funny even for an old bastard :clapping
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He's probably already forgotten and changed his mind
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One step closer! :clapping
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Eff this shitstain off
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Whilst I refuse to resort to getting personal and name calling, I am on board now. He gotta go.
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sack the bum
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dont wait, just do it now - wasting valuable development time persevering with this dud. Had more than a fair go at it and has been found wanting. Continues kill us at the selection table week in week out making us play 2 down.
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Im as ANGRY as hell >:(
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Look guys I think every needs to take a deep breath and settle down.
The sun will still rose tomorrow.
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to be upset you need to be shocked at the result.
after last week why would anyone be.
best to treat them like the basketcase that they are and move on quickly and stop showing up to games
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sack the bum
sack the bum
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sack the bum
sack the bum
sack the bum
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sack the bum
sack the bum
sack the bum
Do it
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to be upset you need to be shocked at the result.
You could sense it coming the whole match and it only grew with each easy missed shot & dysfunctional forward entry...
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sack the bum
sack the bum
sack the bum
Fire the fool.
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We haven't got the balls to sack him unfortunately.
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Close to wishing misfortune on the bloke...because it's seemingly the only way we'll get rid of the stuffing dildo....
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Whoever is posting so furiously please stop you just shorted the forum
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It's those damn hackers again Chucky....
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Mediocre Football Club :thumbsdown
same same same issues ...
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sack the bum
sack the bum
sack the bum
please help me
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It's become a police matter now.....fraud squad to be precise....
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We haven't got the balls to sack him unfortunately.
Stability :rollin
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Whether people like it or not he isn't going to be sacked anytime soon
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bump.
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Whether people like it or not he isn't going to be sacked anytime soon
You flew up to watch that rubbish?? Poor bastard.
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Whether people like it or not he isn't going to be sacked anytime soon
You flew up to watch that rubbish?? Poor bastard.
I booked the trip late last year
Go to a number of interstate games,
Caught up with a mate as well.
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I distinctly remember Hardwicks first year he said this:
"If we lose by under 12 goals, its a coaching and tactics issue. If we lose by 60 points than its a player issue"
Well the last 3 weeks the coaching staff need to get a dog up them. Not to mention the other Tigeritis, Richmondy examples we've seen under this crab.
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Fair enough WP
Dudwicks biggest problem is his refusal to put big names on notice
How bellis is still getting a game is beyond me.
Why do they need to perform when they know they are guaranteed a game next week
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Fair enough WP
Dudwicks biggest problem is his refusal to put big names on notice
How bellis is still getting a game is beyond me.
Why do they need to perform when they know they are guaranteed a game next week
The problem beyond that is who comes in ? Markov shown signs but not quite there yet. C Ellis even further behind.. who else is there that could come in for b Ellis, houli.
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"If we lose by under 12 goals, its a coaching and tactics issue. If we lose by 60 points than its a player issue"
Lose by 59 or 61 points and it's a coaches issue but if it's 60 it's a players issue?
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This should be fun....
Coach of the year
Damien Hardwick's remarkable turnaround of Richmond has won him the post as coach of the season so far.
Leon Cameron was considered as coach for leading Greater Western Sydney to the top of the ladder despite a lengthy injury list.
Also prominent in voting was Ken Hinkley for his role in charge of a resurgent Port Adelaide.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-08/aflcomaus-midseason-all-australian-team
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:scream
But only after Blamey fired all the coaches dimmer recruited, hired the new lot and put Caracella next to him in the box.
The charmed existence award goes to......
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:scream
But only after Blamey fired all the coaches dimmer recruited, hired the new lot and put Caracella next to him in the box.
The charmed existence award goes to......
Bachar Houli?
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No post in here for 2 months
What's going on?
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No post in here for 2 months
What's going on?
Get with the program Chuck - it's all because of Blake Caracalla and Mrs Hardwick.
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I have a hold recommendation still on dimwit
Wouldn't want to go out in straight sets or this will rise to the topic pretty quickly
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Sack the bum :thumbsup
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he's endeared himself upon the playing list as a nice guy with many shortcomings as a coach.
Enter Caracella and Balme and the whole thing changes.
If left to his own device. dimmer would still have everyone attempting
to play HIS crappy game plan, the one that overlooked the natural abilities of
every player and would still be trying to make them something they're not.
Having said that, Geez he has a charmed existence and it set to take the accolades for
something that mysteriously eluded him until he was told what to do.
Regardless, well done RFC. :clapping
That was stuffn awesome
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he's endeared himself upon the playing list as a nice guy with many shortcomings as a coach.
Enter Caracella and Balme and the whole thing changes.
If left to his own device. dimmer would still have everyone attempting
to play HIS pooty game plan, the one that overlooked the natural abilities of
every player and would still be trying to make them something they're not.
Having said that, Geez he has a charmed existence and it set to take the accolades for
something that mysteriously eluded him until he was told what to do.
Regardless, well done RFC. :clapping
That was stuffn awesome
Well said
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As much as I've given him crap for his mediocre game plan, soft coraling and his disregard of tackling pressure and finals footy hardness in the contest, I've got to say I must accept now that the players have his back and want to play for him.
He has admitted he was too regimental to his ideas but has let the fellas just play footy which is good.
Also he has been humble enough to change his useless coaching philosophies and willing to embrace the tough hard direct footy that can sustain in finals.
I didn't believe it but now I do.
I hope he can take us all the way.
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We're you expecting to make the prelim dimma?
"probably not"
:rollin
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Just thought I would pop into this thread and see what was going on
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Where's claw? :shh
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Great bump
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Reckon he's now officially safe for season 2018 ;D
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We'd still be in the dark ages if not for Balmey and Blake.
Face it.
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no doubt about it ox. He is also safe. 2 yr extension is inevitable.
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Time to be bold.
Win the flag, sack Hardwick and appoint Caracella.
:cheers
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Time to be bold.
Win the flag, sack Hardwick and appoint Caracella.
:cheers
Offer Clarko 10 million to the new Choco too :)
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Time to be bold.
Win the flag, sack Hardwick and appoint Caracella.
:cheers
Will be the laughing stock of the nation if allowed to happen.
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Time to be bold.
Win the flag, sack Hardwick and appoint Caracella.
:cheers
Will be the laughing stock of the nation if allowed to happen.
Heros of Texas though 8)
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Hardwick to blame for VFL reserves loss...... :shh
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Dimma to coach Richmond for at least a decade .
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Dimmer should stand down to assistant coach.
That would be the honourable thing to do.
There's not much to be said for people who take credit for another's work.
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Time to be bold.
Win the flag, sack Hardwick and appoint Caracella.
:cheers
Will be the laughing stock of the nation if allowed to happen.
Collingwood sacked Malthouse after he won a flag and replaced him with an assistant coach.
On second thoughts that didn't work out too well.
:lol
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I'm gunna bump this thread. Not for any "I told you so" vibe (I think just about everyone here wanted him gone at various stages. Some perhaps more vehemently than others).
Just wanted to say, I thought he completely and utterly out coached Pyke. I've always said you want a guy with Premiership experience in charge and my thoughts are that he had our group completely and utterly in the right mindset going into the game. We were relaxed, but keen and excited.
He also pulled off one of the great coaching masterstrokes in recent GF memory. Sending Graham to Sloane, who at quarter time was influencing the game more than anyone was just incredible. Sending a 19 year old to cover one of the bulls of the competition..... they never knew what hit em.
Watching the game back in the cold light of day - we had it won halfway through the second but perhaps even earlier. I thought their first quarter goals were streaky and they took no momentum from them. We controlled the game basically the entire 80 minutes.
Outstanding Dimma - RFC legend.
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I am not commenting in here until after Dr Harry gives his wise advice
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He also pulled off one of the great coaching masterstrokes in recent GF memory. Sending Graham to Sloane, who at quarter time was influencing the game more than anyone was just incredible. Sending a 19 year old to cover one of the bulls of the competition..... they never knew what hit em.
This worked so I have no right to question it, nor am I meaning to but I was gobsmacked he went with Graham over Lambert
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If we had of sacked him 5 years ago we'd have at least 2 premierships by now :snidegrin
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Reported for trolling
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I'm gunna bump this thread. Not for any "I told you so" vibe (I think just about everyone here wanted him gone at various stages. Some perhaps more vehemently than others).
Just wanted to say, I thought he completely and utterly out coached Pyke. I've always said you want a guy with Premiership experience in charge and my thoughts are that he had our group completely and utterly in the right mindset going into the game. We were relaxed, but keen and excited.
He also pulled off one of the great coaching masterstrokes in recent GF memory. Sending Graham to Sloane, who at quarter time was influencing the game more than anyone was just incredible. Sending a 19 year old to cover one of the bulls of the competition..... they never knew what hit em.
Watching the game back in the cold light of day - we had it won halfway through the second but perhaps even earlier. I thought their first quarter goals were streaky and they took no momentum from them. We controlled the game basically the entire 80 minutes.
Outstanding Dimma - RFC legend.
He even walks on water ;D.
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Thread needed a bump, disgrace it has been silent for so long
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lol read from May 17 to now. That was a good amusing read.
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There seemed to be a great fear that Caracella off to Collingwood.
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Thread needed a bump, disgrace it has been silent for so long
Quality reading the melt downs. Even post GF people still too cantankerous to admit they got it wrong. :rollin
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I think most of us said this time last year that Dimma was in trouble unless there was some kind of miracle and a complete change to our gameplan.
Hard to think of another premiership coach who lead such a complete and sudden turnaround in his team's fortunes? Blight took the Crows from nowhere to a flag in 1997 but that was his first year in charge so you had the new coach factor. You probably have to go all the way back to TJ and the change from 1979 to 1980. It's a "Richmondy" thing ;D.
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I still think he should be sacked.
No one with chubby legs like he has can possibly coach a team to a premiership.
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he's endeared himself upon the playing list as a nice guy with many shortcomings as a coach.
Enter Caracella and Balme and the whole thing changes.
If left to his own device. dimmer would still have everyone attempting
to play HIS pooty game plan, the one that overlooked the natural abilities of
every player and would still be trying to make them something they're not.
Having said that, Geez he has a charmed existence and it set to take the accolades for
something that mysteriously eluded him until he was told what to do.
Regardless, well done RFC. :clapping
That was stuffn awesome
Well said
I stand by this.
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Is this our chance?, should we start a move now?
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/02/20/14/20/coach-unsure-about-signing-new-hawks-deal
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson is unsure if he will lead the Hawks past his current contract which expires at the end of the 2019 AFL season.
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Is this our chance?, should we start a move now?
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/02/20/14/20/coach-unsure-about-signing-new-hawks-deal
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson is unsure if he will lead the Hawks past his current contract which expires at the end of the 2019 AFL season.
Yesssssss. :clapping :clapping :clapping :lol
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Is this our chance?, should we start a move now?
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/02/20/14/20/coach-unsure-about-signing-new-hawks-deal
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson is unsure if he will lead the Hawks past his current contract which expires at the end of the 2019 AFL season.
We musn't deviate from the Caracella succession plan Chuckles....besides, Clarkson will return to his old club after Brad Scott gets the arse.... :shh
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Timely posts
The rumour I have heard is that Carlton are chasing Clarkson
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Timely posts
The rumour I have heard is that Carlton are chasing Clarkson
Such Typical Carlton. Throw money at whatevers there and itll win us flags. You cant take other peoples culture and make it your own.
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Bump
Got to go no Plan B
Unlike the great Hinkley who had a second half plan of throwing everyone in the back line and not attacking
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#carracellasuccessionplan
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Bump
Got to go no Plan B
Unlike the great Hinkley who had a second half plan of throwing everyone in the back line and not attacking
There is no such thing as plan A plan B, you are seriously delusional if you think coaching is that simplistic.
Coaches are always changing things up, just because you don't see it or because it doesn't work doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Funny ...
Win 3/4 quarters.
1 quarter killed us.
Yet, our attack was poor and YET AGAIN our SKILLS and decision making was poor!
Short, Cotchin, Rance, Vlastuin, Miles were the only ones that were CLEAN by foot and hand.
Others horrible particularly Grigg and Conca!
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Bump
Got to go no Plan B
Unlike the great Hinkley who had a second half plan of throwing everyone in the back line and not attacking
There is no such thing as plan A plan B, you are seriously delusional if you think coaching is that simplistic.
Coaches are always changing things up, just because you don't see it or because it doesn't work doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
You don't know Chucky very well do you? :shh
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Funny ...
Win 3/4 quarters.
1 quarter killed us.
Yet, our attack was poor and YET AGAIN our SKILLS and decision making was poor!
Short, Cotchin, Rance, Vlastuin, Miles were the only ones that were CLEAN by foot and hand.
Others horrible particularly Grigg and Conca!
Port were just good.
there are other teams in the league trying to get a win as well, it's not us against an AI in a video game.
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Bump
Got to go no Plan B
Unlike the great Hinkley who had a second half plan of throwing everyone in the back line and not attacking
There is no such thing as plan A plan B, you are seriously delusional if you think coaching is that simplistic.
Coaches are always changing things up, just because you don't see it or because it doesn't work doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
You don't know Chucky very well do you? :shh
No I don't.
:shh
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Bump
Got to go no Plan B
Unlike the great Hinkley who had a second half plan of throwing everyone in the back line and not attacking
There is no such thing as plan A plan B, you are seriously delusional if you think coaching is that simplistic.
Coaches are always changing things up, just because you don't see it or because it doesn't work doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Didn't you know!? Every poster here has a wealth of experience coaching at an elite level.
We're all 2 -5 times more knowledgeable and tactically sound than Dimma. We all read the game far better and see moves that should have been made before the coaching panel.
Oh, and any time Dimma gets something right it was dumb luck.
Instead of holding down million dollar a year coaching jobs, we eschewed that life in order to chase the real dream - being hack posters on OER.
:gotigers
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Although it did take Dimma 5 years to develop the worst game plan ever seen until Balmy brought in some fellas with actual tactical nouse. All the things that most of us “hack posters” on here could see plainly that we had no hope of actually winning a final being a “non tackling team” and that liked the one handed corale and always chipped the ball backwards and sideways especially to a player in a worse predicament. :rollin
I actually thank Mrs Hardwick for making her husband realise he was being a dumbass.
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Couldn’t have timed that any better
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Ok everyone, you heard dougeytheacademic, nobody post a football opinion here again until they gain an AFL accredited level 4 coaching certificate.... :shh
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Lol.
You blokes are easier to wind up than a jack-in-the box.
We tend to find very liberal use of the word "hack" in this space. But when it gets aimed at yourselves....meltdown.
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Lol.
You blokes are easier to wind up than a jack-in-the box.
We tend to find very liberal use of the word "hack" in this space. But when it gets aimed at yourselves....meltdown.
Hardly a "meltdown" champ, just enjoying your simplistic logic .... :shh
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Simplistic logic is the sound logic. The simplist answer is usually the correct one. Its the simpleton logic that needs to be made an example of.
#duddelist.
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I also enjoy the fact that you're really smart....as far as you know..... :shh
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Ok everyone, you heard dougeytheacademic, nobody post a football opinion here again until they gain an AFL accredited level 4 coaching certificate.... :shh
There's having an opinion and then there's thinking you know better.
Example:
"I personally think Grigg should be dropped, he just hasn't been up to it anymore, he is cooked"
That is having an opinion
"I can't believe dimma is keeping Grigg in the side. He is clearly cooked and our coaching staff is completely blind for not seeing it"
That is thinking you know better.
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We get a bump and
:sarcasm2
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Chucky should be banned for trolling.
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Chucky should be banned for trolling.
Hey don’t blame me I’m just missing all the ferals that went MIA after the end of last year
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Chucky should be banned for trolling.
Hey don’t blame me I’m just missing all the ferals that went MIA after the end of last year
I’m not.
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Has peaked
No Plan B
Time to move him on is now
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Has peaked
No Plan B
Time to move him on is now
I agree. Time to chase Ross Lyon or Ken Hinkley.
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Has peaked
No Plan B
Time to move him on is now
I agree. Time to chase Ross Lyon or Ken Hinkley.
:lol
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Luke Hodge will be our next premiershp coach. Bookmark it. :shh
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Just watched a show on Foxtel with Clarko as one of the guests- he is one impressive man. I could listen to him talk footy for hours.
He has an aura about him that is for sure.
It’s not hard to see why he has been so successful as a coach.
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Just watched a show on Foxtel with Clarko as one of the guests- he is one impressive man. I could listen to him talk footy for hours.
He has an aura about him that is for sure.
It’s not hard to see why he has been so successful as a coach.
Funny that, know someone who had the chance to sit in the box for a game. He was actually warned off it by a now ex player.
Left the game shaking his head
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Missed this thread! :lol
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The thread that keeps on giving
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Just watched a show on Foxtel with Clarko as one of the guests- he is one impressive man. I could listen to him talk footy for hours.
He has an aura about him that is for sure.
It’s not hard to see why he has been so successful as a coach.
Funny that, know someone who had the chance to sit in the box for a game. He was actually warned off it by a now ex player.
Left the game shaking his head
Warned off how?
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would anyone batter an eyelid if Caracella took over from Hardwick for next year?
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LMFAO, no but it wont happen dooks.
Nor should it. Give the club another year or 2 to make amends. Like i have said in another thread we may never get this close again and thats a reality.
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People want to give caracella majority of the credit for the premiership but lay majority of the blame onto hardwick when we lose the prelim :whistle
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People want to give caracella majority of the credit for the premiership but lay majority of the blame onto hardwick when we lose the prelim :whistle
Hehe, OER in a nutshell.
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People want to give caracella majority of the credit for the premiership but lay majority of the blame onto hardwick when we lose the prelim :whistle
and?
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People want to give caracella majority of the credit for the premiership but lay majority of the blame onto hardwick when we lose the prelim :whistle
and?
Seems a bit hypocritical don’t you think?
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People want to give caracella majority of the credit for the premiership but lay majority of the blame onto hardwick when we lose the prelim :whistle
and?
Seems a bit hypocritical don’t you think?
You haven’t been here long
It’s like when some poster makes some dumb arse bs statement and then swears black and blue they didn’t
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
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People want to give caracella majority of the credit for the premiership but lay majority of the blame onto hardwick when we lose the prelim :whistle
and..... you got me. ;D
EFA
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People want to give caracella majority of the credit for the premiership but lay majority of the blame onto hardwick when we lose the prelim :whistle
and?
Bit of Trump about this... :shh
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Fake Nooz!
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Surely enough is enough, the bum has to go
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Should've been sacked after the prelim..... :shh
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Not his fault the players had no work rate, what rubbish.
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Not his fault the players had no work rate, what rubbish.
Entirely his fault - buck stops with the coach. :shh
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The players have minds of their own :shh
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Yeah I've been critical of him in the past but you can't stop absolute rubbish and what I saw was as bad as I have seen of our club.
1. Dusty and that cute kick for goal
2. Jacks pathetic short kick to the centre. Result goal
3. Mrakov and that incredibly stupid handball to a player 1 metre away
All momentum killers that cost us
Yep all hardwicks fault
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Coach sets the standards, players are his refection..... :shh
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He should be sacked for going into a game without even a backup ruckman against a team with basically the best ruckman in the comp and a 8 foot 10 back up ruckman.
Dropping Balta for that game would have to be the dumbest decision he has made since being at Richmond.
Compounded by playing Jack in the ruck
Then letting Sidebottom run around without anyone near him comes in a close second..... for the second time in our last 3 games.
I know there is still a lot of “Hardwick can do no wrong” supporters but his last 6 or 7 games haven’t been great as a coach or at team selection.
The game moves on fast but old ball Hardwick is still living in 2017.
It’s not about being able to beat the bottom 14 sides, it’s about playing a style of footy that can beat the top 4 sides.
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
So the buck stops with him but he cannot play a second ruckman against Collingwood if he wants to?
I call BS on that.
As KB always says, lying is the second language of the AFL.
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
So the buck stops with him but he cannot play a second ruckman against Collingwood if he wants to?
I call BS on that.
As KB always says, lying is the second language of the AFL.
The match committee chooses the team. Fact. Hardwick is a big part of the match committee but he can be overruled. Fact. I'm not sure what you think is BS.
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
So the buck stops with him but he cannot play a second ruckman against Collingwood if he wants to?
I call BS on that.
As KB always says, lying is the second language of the AFL.
The match committee chooses the team. Fact. Hardwick is a big part of the match committee but he can be overruled. Fact. I'm not sure what you think is BS.
So why would the match committee think not playing balta would be beneficial to the team?
I don’t think anyone on this forum alone thought that it was the right decision especially after the high praise he received in his development even on the website. Mostly everyone allso thought that bringing back Ellis was regressing back to mediocrity
One might be able to concede the match committees decision to bring in Ellis for the loss of Houli but dropping balta was a mind boggling and a terrible decision by all involved. That said I don’t think we would’ve won the game because everything that made us great in the last two years has pretty much gone out the window in the last few games we’ve played.
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Not saying what happened was right at all. However, selection is the match committee's domain not just Hardwick's. That is all I'm trying to say.
My personal opinion is the changes were terrible.
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Our system doesn’t stack up against Collingwood.
Collingwood, twice have won the same way and Hardwick hasn’t been able to adapt to match day tactics!
Buckley owns Hardwick now.
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That's true, that's why we almost fully invested in bigger midfielders this year. Collingwood learn from us. We need to adjust our game plan as the rules suit the strong midfield sides- we are not
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
So the buck stops with him but he cannot play a second ruckman against Collingwood if he wants to?
I call BS on that.
As KB always says, lying is the second language of the AFL.
The match committee chooses the team. Fact. Hardwick is a big part of the match committee but he can be overruled. Fact. I'm not sure what you think is BS.
So why would the match committee think not playing balta would be beneficial to the team?
I don’t think anyone on this forum alone thought that it was the right decision especially after the high praise he received in his development even on the website. Mostly everyone allso thought that bringing back Ellis was regressing back to mediocrity
One might be able to concede the match committees decision to bring in Ellis for the loss of Houli but dropping balta was a mind boggling and a terrible decision by all involved. That said I don’t think we would’ve won the game because everything that made us great in the last two years has pretty much gone out the window in the last few games we’ve played.
because its Rd 2 and we lost our best backman in rd1, Balta is the kid who athletically is similar to Rance but needs to hone his defensive side.
Leppa will be spending lots of 1 on 1 time with him for the next 2/3/4 weeks then he will be back in the seniors playing the Rance role
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That's true, that's why we almost fully invested in bigger midfielders this year. Collingwood learn from us. We need to adjust our game plan as the rules suit the strong midfield sides- we are not
Correct! Why is Hardwick stubborn to not change?
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
So the buck stops with him but he cannot play a second ruckman against Collingwood if he wants to?
I call BS on that.
As KB always says, lying is the second language of the AFL.
The match committee chooses the team. Fact. Hardwick is a big part of the match committee but he can be overruled. Fact. I'm not sure what you think is BS.
What I think is BS is if Hardwick wanted Balta to play, he plays. Fact.
You cannot tell me that the majority of people on the match committee thought it was a good idea to leave Balta out against Collingwood, leaving Jack to take the ruck when Nank needs a rest.
Is there anyone here on this forum that thinks that was a good idea?
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
So the buck stops with him but he cannot play a second ruckman against Collingwood if he wants to?
I call BS on that.
As KB always says, lying is the second language of the AFL.
The match committee chooses the team. Fact. Hardwick is a big part of the match committee but he can be overruled. Fact. I'm not sure what you think is BS.
What I think is BS is if Hardwick wanted Balta to play, he plays. Fact.
You cannot tell me that the majority of people on the match committee thought it was a good idea to leave Balta out against Collingwood, leaving Jack to take the ruck when Nank needs a rest.
Is there anyone here on this forum that thinks that was a good idea?
Well, I already told you Hardwick told us he wanted Graham to play last year against Port and he was overruled. That's the way it works. I do not know if he wanted Balta to play or not. Only the match committee knows. I'm not going to pretend I know. That's the difference. You are saying you are sure he didn't want him to play and I'm saying he may not have wanted him to play but he also may have wanted him to play but was overruled by the rest of the match committee. I'm not sure why you cannot believe that team selection is a committee decision and not solely the coaches decision. If it was the latter who overrules everyone else, why have a committee in the first place? By your logic, the buck stops with the coach so there is no point having a match committee as any bad decision will land fair and square at the coaches feet. Believe it or not, that is not the way it works. Fact.
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
So the buck stops with him but he cannot play a second ruckman against Collingwood if he wants to?
I call BS on that.
As KB always says, lying is the second language of the AFL.
The match committee chooses the team. Fact. Hardwick is a big part of the match committee but he can be overruled. Fact. I'm not sure what you think is BS.
What I think is BS is if Hardwick wanted Balta to play, he plays. Fact.
You cannot tell me that the majority of people on the match committee thought it was a good idea to leave Balta out against Collingwood, leaving Jack to take the ruck when Nank needs a rest.
Is there anyone here on this forum that thinks that was a good idea?
Well, I already told you Hardwick told us he wanted Graham to play last year against Port and he was overruled. That's the way it works. I do not know if he wanted Balta to play or not. Only the match committee knows. I'm not going to pretend I know. That's the difference. You are saying you are sure he didn't want him to play and I'm saying he may not have wanted him to play but he also may have wanted him to play but was overruled by the rest of the match committee. I'm not sure why you cannot believe that team selection is a committee decision and not solely the coaches decision. If it was the latter who overrules everyone else, why have a committee in the first place? By your logic, the buck stops with the coach so there is no point having a match committee as any bad decision will land fair and square at the coaches feet. Believe it or not, that is not the way it works. Fact.
I hate to burst your bubble but don’t believe everything you hear mate. Surely you are more wise than that.
I know people that are part of a match committee and if the coach wants something, he gets it. FACT
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Has runs on the board,but he needs involve on the game and move on in times it's like we're still trying 2017 gameplan,but team's have worked us out.I seen alot of the same mistakes on Thursday from our premlim.
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
So the buck stops with him but he cannot play a second ruckman against Collingwood if he wants to?
I call BS on that.
As KB always says, lying is the second language of the AFL.
The match committee chooses the team. Fact. Hardwick is a big part of the match committee but he can be overruled. Fact. I'm not sure what you think is BS.
What I think is BS is if Hardwick wanted Balta to play, he plays. Fact.
You cannot tell me that the majority of people on the match committee thought it was a good idea to leave Balta out against Collingwood, leaving Jack to take the ruck when Nank needs a rest.
Is there anyone here on this forum that thinks that was a good idea?
Well, I already told you Hardwick told us he wanted Graham to play last year against Port and he was overruled. That's the way it works. I do not know if he wanted Balta to play or not. Only the match committee knows. I'm not going to pretend I know. That's the difference. You are saying you are sure he didn't want him to play and I'm saying he may not have wanted him to play but he also may have wanted him to play but was overruled by the rest of the match committee. I'm not sure why you cannot believe that team selection is a committee decision and not solely the coaches decision. If it was the latter who overrules everyone else, why have a committee in the first place? By your logic, the buck stops with the coach so there is no point having a match committee as any bad decision will land fair and square at the coaches feet. Believe it or not, that is not the way it works. Fact.
I hate to burst your bubble but don’t believe everything you hear mate. Surely you are more wise than that.
I know people that are part of a match committee and if the coach wants something, he gets it. FACT
Unless you know people on the RFC match committee, then what other clubs or leagues do in their match committees is irrelevant. There was no reason for Hardwick to lie about the Graham omission.
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Obviously won't be sacked. Having said that we also assume he made the decision to play one ruck. Last year he spoke to us mid year and said the match committee overruled him as he wanted to play Graham against Port. So we just can't assume it's always his fault...... :shh
So the buck stops with him but he cannot play a second ruckman against Collingwood if he wants to?
I call BS on that.
As KB always says, lying is the second language of the AFL.
The match committee chooses the team. Fact. Hardwick is a big part of the match committee but he can be overruled. Fact. I'm not sure what you think is BS.
What I think is BS is if Hardwick wanted Balta to play, he plays. Fact.
You cannot tell me that the majority of people on the match committee thought it was a good idea to leave Balta out against Collingwood, leaving Jack to take the ruck when Nank needs a rest.
Is there anyone here on this forum that thinks that was a good idea?
Well, I already told you Hardwick told us he wanted Graham to play last year against Port and he was overruled. That's the way it works. I do not know if he wanted Balta to play or not. Only the match committee knows. I'm not going to pretend I know. That's the difference. You are saying you are sure he didn't want him to play and I'm saying he may not have wanted him to play but he also may have wanted him to play but was overruled by the rest of the match committee. I'm not sure why you cannot believe that team selection is a committee decision and not solely the coaches decision. If it was the latter who overrules everyone else, why have a committee in the first place? By your logic, the buck stops with the coach so there is no point having a match committee as any bad decision will land fair and square at the coaches feet. Believe it or not, that is not the way it works. Fact.
I hate to burst your bubble but don’t believe everything you hear mate. Surely you are more wise than that.
I know people that are part of a match committee and if the coach wants something, he gets it. FACT
Unless you know people on the RFC match committee, then what other clubs or leagues do in their match committees is irrelevant. There was no reason for Hardwick to lie about the Graham omission.
I think what BT was saying is that everyone is a liar apart from himself of course
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strike two :shh :shh
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strike two :shh :shh
:rollin
Hardwick is fine
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Going nowhere for the next 3 years. There not going to sack him.
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He has the same number of wins as Buckley who is in charge of premiership favourites Collingwood......
He won't be sacked. Thanks Chuck17 for the laughs!!!
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Made a few tweaks... Brought in Stack, put Edwards down back- covering the loss of the irreplaceable Rance better than expected.
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Made a few tweaks... Brought in Stack, put Edwards down back- covering the loss of the irreplaceable Rance better than expected.
Does that qualify as a plan B
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Dont be stupid chucky everyone knows Hardwick doesnt have a plan B lol.
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Dont be stupid chucky everyone knows Hardwick doesnt have a plan B lol.
Yes he does! It’s refer to Caracella! :shh
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Has to go
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Has to go
Replace him with Rhys Shaw.
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Has to go
Replace him with Rhys Shaw.
:clapping
WAT should be back soon
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It's good to have this thread back :shh
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I just voted for Peggy
I'm Going all shorten on the club over this loss
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I just voted for Peggy
I'm Going all shorten on the club over this loss
Don’t mention the little union prick, it will bring ‘65 into the thread
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I just voted for Peggy
I'm Going all shorten on the club over this loss
Don’t mention the little union prick, it will bring ‘65 into the thread
:lol :lol
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Indeed Chucky -seen enough implosions tonight already... :shh
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Mods please obliberate this thread into nothingness
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ROFL nice bump
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Chunky,
If you read it, it’s an ironic op
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This bloke is an outright genius. We need to honour him in some way.
I propose we start by changing the name of this thread to “Legend Hardwick”
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Totally agree
Football is about results
Not honorable losses
There has been more honorable losses this year in the history of the game
:lol
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Continues to improve as a coach, both on a personal level with people and as a tactician.
Has out-coached several good teams of late, especially WCE, Geelong, Brisbane and now GWS.
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I have been a long time harsh critic of him but he has taken us to 2x flags. We officially need to close this thread or rename it
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2016 ...
Who would’ve thought this come 2019?