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Football => Match reports and stats => Topic started by: mightytiges on May 05, 2005, 04:24:58 AM
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Thoughts?
Any changes this week?
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Changes this week.
Maybe one......
Patto is knocking on the door as is Schultz, but Hall deserves his spot at the Moment.
Krak must be the unsafest player in the side at the moment (which is a great position for us to be in- I don't think Krak is doing anything really wrong, but just not finding enough of the ball)- but with Hyde out - still gets a run as he can play on the ball.
Chaff - well I thought he did a great job on Cornes - and guess who is going to be tagging Stevens - yep - Chaff. It will be his biggest test.
I hope Hartigan comes back into the side. If Hartigan does - then Graham will probably make way for him. Or at a push I would say Krak. I would prefer a Hartigan to shut down Betts next week.
All in all I think the game is one that the Tigers would have been talking about all pre season.
The old enemy - The last time we have beaten them is in 2001, and since then the Blues have had the spoon.
Fevola being out helps heaps - but I want to see the Tigers kick a big Score - which is really important with our crap percentage (do not want to finish 9th on percentage or even put us in that equation).
I want to see Knobel in the ruck (he did preseason at Carlton). He should know the style of set up Pagan had and should be able to help our guys get first to the ball (of course Knobel is the most effective ruckman in the league at the moment - according to the Hun :thumbsup)
The talls - Staff, Richo and Simmonds should kick goals with Pettifer, Brown and Tambling (with Campbell) cleaning up the loose balls
Midfield, Jonnos back, we have Cogs in form, Tuck is getting better each week, Chaffey - effective if not mistake riddled, Tivva looking much better, Deledio out on a wing, and we have some decent movement. Krak and Meyer offer skill and pace to boot.
Backline - Hall, Gas and Kella, looking solid, Newman, Bowden and probably Hartigan if fit(at the expense of Graham - nothing wrong with Graham - its just that Carlton does not have a tall forward line).
They are my thoughts - Tigers by 27 , and so much sweeter for me with a Blues loving girlfriend.
Don't ask what the punishment has been over the last two seasons!
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there will be no changes
tigers will have to play well early and not give th eblues a head start as they did power. th eblues will flood and flood hard thus we have to use th eball smartly.
flooding thought cre8s fatigue, as shown by port, to hard to run like that alll day! so i believe we will take over in th esecond half!
we must be wary of that barge arse red hed kentucky fried hungry jack or a maccas, whitnall! he is the one who always destroys us! gas will have to play well to nullify his brilliance if he plays fwd and if he plays back, ray hall should follow him and man him uo as he floods to make him accountable
tigers by 52
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I want to see Knobel in the ruck (he did preseason at Carlton). He should know the style of set up Pagan had and should be able to help our guys get first to the ball (of course Knobel is the most effective ruckman in the league at the moment - according to the Hun :thumbsup)
Good point that.
Over the last few seasons we've had a couple of close ones. Both teams on a downer during that period now both on the way up. I think it will be tough until mid-way through the last.
Richmond 15 13 103 Carlton 13 8 86
Richardson 5 Brown 3 Stafford 2 Coughlan Krakouer Simmonds Pettifer Tambling 1
Crowd 58 806
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Agree X. Whitnall did stuff all for 3/4s last week then came good in the last. Mind you their midfield won nearly every centre bounce clearance in that last quarter so he didn't have to run to far ;).
th eblues will flood and flood hard thus we have to use th eball smartly.
They were worse than the swans last week. Up there as the worst game all year. Another side that resorted to going long and direct after 3/4 time when the dud football they were playing wasn't working.
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i hope campo plays and we run him so hard his knee collapses
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We have to remember that it was partly due to the fact that Port couldn’t be bothered raising a sweat, and our players did, that we won on the weekend.
Against Carlton, we won’t want to go to sleep at any stage, because they seem to have a belief that they can come back from a deficit. They’ve done it against Hawthorn and Essendon, who aren’t going great guns, but they’ve come back from fair margins, just the same.
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i hope campo plays and we run him so hard his knee collapses
No one wants any player injured. Beating a side at full strength leaves them with no excuses :thumbsup. If Camporeale does play with a injured medial ligament then he's an idiot and Carlton would be taking a unbelievable risk.
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i hope campo plays and we run him so hard his knee collapses
No one wants any player injured. Beating a side at full strength leaves them with no excuses :thumbsup. If Camporeale does play with a injured medial ligament then he's an idiot and Carlton would be taking a unbelievable risk.
i agree with what u say , but in campos case , he just poos me with his faking and acting, he is a player i really cant stand
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i hope campo plays and we run him so hard his knee collapses
No one wants any player injured. Beating a side at full strength leaves them with no excuses :thumbsup. If Camporeale does play with a injured medial ligament then he's an idiot and Carlton would be taking a unbelievable risk.
i agree with what u say , but in campos case , he just poohs me with his faking and acting, he is a player i really cant stand
If there was ever a case for paying free kicks against divers then he and Lloyd would be it. That swan dive he took last week against the Hawks was pathetic ::).
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I am really nervous about this game - it is the ones we are supposed to or are favoured to win that we really struggle with :-\
And my Moto team SMS message tells me that we have made no changes to the side this week :thumbsup
And for those who may not know - Brent Hartigan is due back from his hamstring injury and should play for the Burgers on Saturday :thumbsup
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Well Pagan is playing funny business with the Blues' selections. He's named injured trio Camporeale, Chambers and Carrazzo ???.
And for those who may not know - Brent Hartigan is due back from his hamstring injury and should play for the Burgers on Saturday :thumbsup
Great news. Thanks WP :cheers
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ROUND 7 - RICHMOND vs CARLTON - M.C.G. (Home)
SUMMARY:
On the back of a stunning 56 point drubbing of reigning premiers Port Adelaide, the Tigers return to their true home ground, the M.C.G., for a traditional Saturday arvo clash against arch-rivals Carlton. After such a stirring and commanding display from midway through the second quarter to the end, the challenge for the Richmond side this week will be to continue on with the intensity, pressure and teamwork they showed last Sunday and as pre-game favourites for the first time ths year come away with an important win to go to 5-2. Despite some good performances at Coburg, the Tigers are not surprisingly unchanged
Our opponents Carlton after storming to a preseason premiership in the Wizard Cup have had an uninspiring start to the real stuff. Narrow comeback wins against the bottom sides Essendon and Hawthorn, losses to the Kangaroos, Collingwood and Fremantle in Perth and a draw with Port Adelaide away. The one interesting fact is all their 6 matches so far this season have been close games with the biggest margin being 20 points in typical competitive fashion for a Pagan coached side. Their biggest win was just 6 points against the Hawks last Friday night. Carlton will once again be without suspended full forward Brendan Fevola and injured key defender Luke Livingston. Adding to their injury list last weekend was veteran midfielder Scott Camporeale, former Eagle Callum Chambers and back pocket Carrazzo but all three have been named in an unchanged line-up.
PAST ENCOUNTERS:
Overall: 80-112-2
In the 00's: 2-5
At the MCG: 33-24
Last Time:
Round 13, 19.06.04. "Home" at Docklands.
Richmond 2.2 5.3 13.5 14.9-93
Carlton 5.2 12.7 16.10 18.16-124
Multiple Goalkickers: Richmond - Richo 3, Krakouer 3, Ottens 2; Carlton - Fevola 8, Whitnall 3, Koutoufides 2.
Attendance: 46,618
KEY STATS AND MATCH-UPS:
DEFENCE: This week we face a Carlton forward line without their spearhead full forward Brendan Fevola (12 goals for the season) who had a night out against us last time with eight goals. However against the Hawks the Blues were able to find a suitable replacement in Waite (12) who booted five. With the inconsistent yet on his day a matchwinner in Lance Whitnall (10) at centre half forward, they can still with enough supply kick a healthy score (average 97 points per game) so our backline can't afford to let their guard down despite Fevola's absence. The Blues have also used resting ruckman Deluca (6) and fromer Freo forward T.Longmuir (3) up forward but so far this year both have made little impact. In terms of match-ups we should have the numbers to contain their key forwards. Hall at centre half back looks likely to get the job on Whitnall but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets Deluca, Gas gets Whitnall and AK stands Waite.
At ground level Carlton main scoring dangers have come from the light yet very quick Eddie Betts, who with 10 goals so far this year has been able to pop up with successive crumbing goals at crucial times in a game, and reliable veteran half forward flanker Matthew Lappin (7). Newman is typically the first choice to stop the opposition's main small forward with Hartigan out of the side so he may take Betts with Chaffey or Bowden taking Lappin as both can follow Lappin up the ground as well as in the Blues forward line. If Betts is too quick for Newman as was Milne in the St Kilda game two weeks back then Chaffey may need to stick close to Betts.
MIDFIELD: It is in the midfield where Carlton is its strongest. The Blues lead the competition in clearances from centre bounces and subsequently lead the AFL in scoring from breaks won out of the centre square. From matches I've seen them play this has enabled them to get on a roll and rattle on successive goals to either get back into a matchor win games after looking gone. They are also an above average side at winning contested footy although trail us in this department. Plus they are second in tackles laid in the AFL (although given they have won only 2.5 games this could also mean they are often second to the ball). Tiges are ranked 16th.
With the Blues denied access to early draft picks for breaching the salary cap, Pagan since arriving at Carlton has added to the likes of Koutoufides, Camporeale (carrying a knee injury), Nick Stevens and Matthew Lappin a selection of "rejects" in ex-Pie Scotland, ex-Hawk Brett Johnson, ex-Bomber Bannister and ex-Eagle Chambers (also doubtful) to add depth. Add to reborn and in-form ex-Power ruckman French who is second in the AFL in total hitouts. After the mainstayers the Blues may lack the class of the top midfields in the AFL but they are ultra-competitive which is not surprising for a Pagan-coached side if they can get their hands on the footy. On the negative ledger the Blues are ranked last in total disposals and average 43 per game less than the Tigers do. They are also ranked 15th in total marks and average 34 less per game than Richmond.
On Richmond's side, as we showed against Port last week, we have become a far better side at winning contested footy (ranked equal second) when we match our gameplan with the desired intensity and work ethic. We also can pile on quick goals. It will be our midfielders task this week through Cogs, Tuck, Johnson, Krakouer, Campbell, Deledio, Bowden, Tivs, etc to match Carlton's workrate and at least match them in winning and clearing the ball away. In doing so we need to target the Blues two main ballwinners in Kouta and Stevens. Both also lead Carlton's clearance stats. We have a few options. Cogs and Tuck may just go head to head; Tuck or even Bowden may be used in a ballwinning yet closer minding role on Kouta who is the greater danger of the two Blue midfielders. Alternatively if Chaffey is free we may try to shut one of them down completely using Chaffey - most likely Stevens in that case.
In the ruck we will again try to stretch the opposition ruckmen with our three rotating big guys in Knobel (leads comp in hitouts to advantage), Stafford and Simmonds (who in a fine return to form totally dominated at centre bounces and around the ground last week). French is Carlton's main ruck option with Deluca and even Whitnall as moreso fill-ins. Our boys need to nullify French's influence while taking advantage of the periods in which he is resting. Last week was IMO the first time our ruck division made full use of their superiority in numbers.
FORWARDS: The blues major weakness is their defence. They are not only ranked 15th in the comp conceding 106 points per match compared to our forward line which is ranked 6th (averaging 99 points) but their defence although honest lacks height and body stength against any of the leading big forwards of the AFL especially without the injured Luke Livingston. Richo (19 goals) and either Stafford or Simmonds one-on-one should be too strong for Thornton or Teague (interestingly Kouta is named at centre half back - a win for the Tiges if that happens) while I can't see Carrazzo (injured?), Wiggins or Cory McGrath if he comes in stopping Browny. Carlton's backline will once again have to rely on protection from their midfielders either through them controlling the central corridor (hence the need for us to not let that happen) or moreso as X pointed out through flooding then rebounding on the break (similar to what the Power did last week). If and when they do try to flood we need to ask we did last week from halfway through the second quarter and move the ball quickly and smartly into our forward 50. The last few meetings the Tiges have had with the Blues, Richmond has wasted this same forward line advantage via poor disposal and decision making resulting in defeats against even woeful Carlton teams. We mustn't disrespect them this time and expect things just to fall into place because they fall our way on the teamsheets.
OVERALL: As WP said these games where we go in as favourites make you nervous as we've stuffed up so many times in the past decade it virtually became a habit. The key as in most games of footy is in the midfield where we need to at the very least match Carlton. If we do this then we should have far too many options elsewhere around the ground especially up forward for them to counter. If we are slack and complacent as a team in terms of working for each other, pressure and intensity at the footy and opponent with the footy then history will repeat itself and we will have wasted a golden opportunity to go 5-2.
THIS WEEK'S TEAMS:
RICHMOND
B: Hall, Gaspar, Newman
HB: Graham, Kellaway, Chaffey
C: Bowden, Coughlan, Johnson
HF: Tivendale, Richardson, Brown
F: Krakouer, Simmonds, Deledio
R: Knobel, Tuck, Campbell
Int: Stafford, Pettifer, Tambling, Meyer
CARLTON
B: Carrazzo, Thornton, Teague
HB: Wiggins, Koutoufides, Houlihan
C: Scotland, Stevens, Walker
HF: Longmuir, Waite, Lappin
F: Deluca, Whitnall, Betts
R: French, Johnson, Camporeale
Int: Bannister, Chambers, Simpson, Sporn
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Well Pagan is playing funny business with the Blues' selections. He's named injured trio Camporeale, Chambers and Carrazzo ???.
And for those who may not know - Brent Hartigan is due back from his hamstring injury and should play for the Burgers on Saturday :thumbsup
Great news. Thanks WP :cheers
they say campo trained well, but that means nothing and he will face a fitness test on sat morning.
caruzzo and chambers wont play at all, they only did light handball drills for 20 min or so at training and then headed back in!
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Another Excellent review MT
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Im starting to get an eery feeling about this one.....
Come on guys....this is the acid test. To win when we are expected to, and to back up a top performance last week.
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me too.
we'll go well. :thumbsup
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me too.
we'll go well. :thumbsup
Hope you're right Ox man.
Must admit I always get a bit nervous when we start favourite and all the tipsters have picked us. In the past it's just the type of game we'd drop.
Lets' hope they can do it for the Chaffster :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol :lol What an inspiration he's been to the team over the years ;D ;D :o :o
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i am pretty confident
richo has yet to play a huge game against the blues, well its been a while anyway and he will come out pumped.
its not his fault but the previous coaches he had that never had a game plan that conter acted every move against him, 3 on 1, 4 on 1 etc.
tw on the other hand does not care if richo kicks a bag or not, as long as he plays to the game plan. last week he kicked 3 goals out of what, 19! and he dominated!
tw also has the upper hand against pagan, and the fact that we have king in our coaching staff is a bonus and im sure he had alot to do with last week as teh roos have it over port!
i believe we will win this game comfortably, i can see us kicking 2 to 3 goals a quarter more than them, 2 goals a q more will give us an 8 goal win. our midfield and fwd line is above theirs imo, thus we should have more inside 50s and more shots on goal. our ruck department is strong, our defence is holding up, all we have to do is stick to the paln and stauy focused and never get ahead of ourselves.
krak will fire this week i can see it and i believe deledio tambling and meyer will all be surprises and dominate.
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Blues a measuring stick for Wallace
2:11:01 PM Fri 6 May, 2005
Andrew Wu
Sportal for afl.com.au
Despite thrashing reigning premiers Port Adelaide last week, Richmond coach Terry Wallace believes this Saturday's clash with Carlton at the MCG will give him a better indication of how much his side had improved this season.
Wallace downplayed the significance of the victory over the Power, believing that clubs had to win at home, especially when playing against interstate sides, if they were to be a threat in the competition.
"I still don’t think we've proven much. Sides playing on their home ground ought to beat interstate sides," Wallace said after training at Punt Road Oval on Friday morning.
"If you were playing a home game with all your home supporters there, and they’ve got to do the travel and they're got to do everything like that, if you're going to be any good in this competition you win your home game. And I thought that’s all we achieved last week."
Wallace said a victory against arch-rival Carlton, who the Tigers have not beaten since the 2001 finals series, would be a more accurate yard stick of the progress his side had made.
"If we want to be a good team, if we want to be a good Richmond side you got to beat Carlton sides. That's what it's all about," he said.
"We might be going in as favourites but you know with Denis Pagan sides they're always pretty hungry for success."
The Tigers practiced thumping the ball into space from stoppages at training but Wallace said that was not an indication that his side would be trying to avoid playing the tough one-on-one style of football, which Carlton, under coach Denis Pagan, has been renown for.
"All we're trying to do is we're trying to get our running and flowing game going as much as what we possibly can. It’s a way that we want to play football. We want to play a good attacking style of footy," he said.
"They play a nice tight hard game. Denis has always played an inside game and we need to match them in that inside football."
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=200931
Terry might be stretching the motivation factor here a touch lol.