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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Penelope on September 13, 2012, 09:39:53 AM
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Looks like we have grabbed St kildas fitness bloke to replace hornsby
St Kilda's high-performance manager Peter Burge has quit the club to join Richmond, replacing the recently resigned and long-serving Matt Hornsby
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/st-kilda-sydney-in-anzac-day-clash-in-nz-20120912-25st8.html#ixzz26Iccyac6
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Was previously at the hawks and has experience as strength and conditioning coach in union prior to that - was it the wallabies? Can't recall..
Anyhow good get tiges!
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping™
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping™
Get it done, Tiges ™ :clapping
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Was only at the Saints for a year which is a bit weird (followed Pelchen). Prior to that was at Hawthorn for 5 or 6 years in the lesser role of strength and conditioning coach.
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Was only at the Saints for a year which is a bit weird (followed Pelchen). Prior to that was at Hawthorn for 5 or 6 years in the lesser role of strength and conditioning coach.
From memory they were pretty stoked about signing him and Watters too.
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Didn't we try and get this bloke when Dimma first came across but Clarko wouldn't let him go?
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Good get.
Was fitness guru at Hawthorn before going to the Saints at the start of the year.
Has runs on the board in this area.
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:clapping
Good bye linguine arms.
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Got it done, Tiges :clapping
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its done
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its done
Did you read my post?
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Can anyone confirm it's done?
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this was spruiked 3 years ago
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=9992.0
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Excellent, well done Tiges
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Can anyone confirm it's done?
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/st-kilda-sydney-in-anzac-day-clash-in-nz-20120912-25st8.html#ixzz26JNoDrOe
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Didn't we try and get this bloke when Dimma first came across but Clarko wouldn't let him go?
Yep
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Burge arrives at Punt Road
richmondfc.com.au
5:00 PM Thu 13 Sep, 2012
Richmond has appointed Peter Burge as its Elite Performance Manager.
He replaces Matt Hornsby, who resigned at the end of the season, after 12 years in the Tigers’ fitness department.
Burge spent the 2012 season as St Kilda’s High Performance Manager, after previously working as Hawthorn’s Strength and Conditioning Coach for seven years.
He has extensive experience in the sporting industry, including a stint with the Australian Rugby Union.
“We’re thrilled to welcome Peter to the Club, to build on the outstanding work done by Matt Hornsby,” said Richmond’s General Manager of Football, Craig Cameron.
“Peter comes to Richmond with a wealth of knowledge and experience in the football industry, and we are looking forward to him working with the players when they return for pre-season training.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/147612/default.aspx
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2012/09/13/reshuffle-of-afl-fitness-gurus/
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so we wanted Burgess and got Burge.
falling just short of the mark again? :P
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What a coup this is, welcome to tigerland burgo :clapping
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Apparently Burge was shown the door at the saints because he wasn't good enough.
Read that on bigfooty just then.
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Apparently Burge was shown the door at the saints because he wasn't good enough.
Read that on bigfooty just then.
Must be Fact!! cant believe the club has nmade such a mistake >:( Someones head must roll :facepalm :facepalm
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Apparently Burge was shown the door at the saints because he wasn't good enough.
Read that on bigfooty just then.
Must be Fact!! cant believe the club has nmade such a mistake >:( Someones head must roll :facepalm :facepalm
Saints fans are cut lulz
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Apparently Burge was shown the door at the saints because he wasn't good enough.
Read that on bigfooty just then.
Must be Fact!! cant believe the club has nmade such a mistake >:( Someones head must roll :facepalm :facepalm
Saints fans are cut lulz
Yessssssss Lowle......
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Apparently Burge was shown the door at the saints because he wasn't good enough.
Read that on bigfooty just then.
Must be Fact!! cant believe the club has nmade such a mistake >:( Someones head must roll :facepalm :facepalm
Saints fans are cut lulz
Yessssssss Lowle......
Big Man :shh
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Apparently Burge was shown the door at the saints because he wasn't good enough.
Read that on bigfooty just then.
On the stkilda board no doubt, guess what he sure was good enough at hawthorn in his 7 years incl the flag :shh
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Apparently Burge was shown the door at the saints because he wasn't good enough.
Read that on bigfooty just then.
On the stkilda board no doubt, guess what he sure was good enough at hawthorn in his 7 years incl the flag :shh
Stuff Hawthorn.. They fluked that flag. Lol
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so we wanted Burgess and got Burge.
falling just short of the mark again? :P
LoL..nearly choked on a ham sandwich AL when i read your post...
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well respected within the industry. :cheers
welcome Pete.
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Matthew White has noticed a slight difference in the pre-season regime, under the Club’s new Elite Performance Manager, Peter Burge.
“It probably wouldn’t be a huge change from what we’ve done in previous years, but I think we’re running shorter distances. It’s still long distances, but shorter than what we’ve done, and it’s a bit more explosive,” he said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151099/default.aspx
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We didn't get the bloke we wanted so settled with this guy. Right guy for the job? Not being able to run out games was an issue early in the season and looked to be an issue late in the season too.
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if we rested the better plays in the dead rubber should have been running out games better
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we tried to get the guy who went to Port Adelaide but they offered more money than us.
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we tried to get the guy who went to Port Adelaide but they offered more money than us.
Not true Ramps, we offered more but he chose Port for family reasons; his wife is from there and because he enjoyed his first stint at Port
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If only we got the port dude
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If only we got the port dude
I wanted their or the Melbourne coach. Hope Hardwick gets some more help...
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No doubt fatigue was on of the main reasons that cost us the Elim. Final. We had all the signs of a tired team as the game progressed especially after half-time - the obvious lack of run through the lines, lack of handball receives, no quick play-on from a mark/free, slow predictable kicks down the line, no spread (both offensively and defensively), out-numbered and out-worked at contests, going to ground too easily at contests and too many out-of-position players being drawn to the ball like a honeypot leaving the outside unguarded. All up too many passengers with too much of the workload left to too few. It didn't help we lost Conca within 5 mins which would've mucked up our planned rotations and meant we had no one fresh to bring on in the last quarter to generate some extra run.
Footy, especially in the finals, is about maintaining your intensity for the longer than your opponent. We looked to be starting to fatigue midway through the second qtr and it progressively got worse. The tempo play before half-time was for mine a signal we wanted to slow the game down for our own sake; not just to stop Carlton from scoring. The problem is tempo play still requires hard running as you try to create and find open space to maintain possession otherwise you end up being manned up easily and forced back into your back 50 until you turn it over.
Anyway, we will need to build up our endurance, gut-running and repeated efforts further over the off-season just with the interchange cap coming in next year.
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Did a pretty good job burgo just quietly, we lost the elim coz we didn't take 2 ruckman into the game, that's outside of his jurisdiction. We play big O we win, it's that simple
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But Bo it was their runners and midgets that towelled us up, wasn't it?
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Same cracks emerged against blues that were evident n earlier games. Inferior rucks was one. Port were overrun last night too after surrendering a big lead, are they not fit ::)
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But Bo it was their runners and midgets that towelled us up, wasn't it?
only after they got on top in the clearances/contested ball/stoppages, same as a few weeks earlier.
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endurance killed us BJ
we were all over them early in both our recent games but couldn't go on with it coz we flagged.
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We shouldn't have even done that 'heavy training load'. If we trained lightly we might still be alive :0
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I believe in the pre season our Fitness Coach steps us up to the "100%program" for the first time.
I'm no expert but given the Gold Coast were 2 men down from half time, it looked like it was the GC ran all over the top of us in the last quarter.
We looked flat and listless for the entire game. No run, little purpose. Mental or fitness?
Thoughts?
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Heart string again, happened in the final, becoming a concern
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Wouldn't think the heat would have anything to do with it
We have that heat room at the Club, so they are supposedly conditioned for it
Tonight was IMHO more about what was going on above the shoulders not about their conditioning
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Get rid of him and his son.
As I said during the game and a million other times, fitness staff is as useless as ever - has been since the mid-80's
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Wouldn't think the heat would have anything to do with it
We have that heat room at the Club, so they are supposedly conditioned for it
Tonight was IMHO more about what was going on above the shoulders not about their conditioning
heart not heat ;D
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Get rid of him and his son.
As I said during the game and a million other times, fitness staff is as useless as ever - has been since the mid-80's
Vickery's father isn't the fitness guy, certainly isn't the head of fitness. His old man is the boxing coach which is ironic in itself.
Tyrone built like Tarzan plays like Jane so when it comes boxing I reckon I'd have a better left hook
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Get rid of him and his son.
As I said during the game and a million other times, fitness staff is as useless as ever - has been since the mid-80's
Vickery's father isn't the fitness guy, certainly isn't the head of fitness. His old man is the boxing coach which is ironic in itself.
Tyrone bout like Tarzan plays like Jane so when it comes boxing I reckon I'd have a better left hook
I know he isn't the head - was using artistic licence.
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So according the commentary on the Carlton -Port match apparently White was the #1 runner & endurance athlete at Richmond and is not even in the top half-dozen at Port.
Says it all really.....
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Interesting that they are saying Matt White was our best runner at the club, he is not even in the top 6 at Port.
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Wouldn't think the heat would have anything to do with it
We have that heat room at the Club, so they are supposedly conditioned for it
Tonight was IMHO more about what was going on above the shoulders not about their conditioning
Yeah you're right it wasn't the heat as it was only about 24 degrees.
Even if the players are super fit, the humidity can really take it out of you, and the humidity was high enough to do that. The humidity was in the mid 70's.
I have just moved from QLD, was there for thirty years and it takes a fair while to become used to it.
A heat room wouldn't do jack Sh!!t because the body isn't conditioned to work that way.
Time is what is needed to acclimatise to differing conditions of weather.
Although lack of being able to run (fitness wise) is not why we lost it was the poor disposals. Humidity can change the way a player is able to handle the ball. The ball can be sticky and then slip around a lot.
I would say that the players knew this or felt this and didn't know how to adapt, hence one of the reasons why we lost.
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Yeah you're right it wasn't the heat as it was only about 24 degrees.
Even if the players are super fit, the humidity can really take it out of you, and the humidity was high enough to do that. The humidity was in the mid 70's.
I have just moved from QLD, was there for thirty years and it takes a fair while to become used to it.
A heat room wouldn't do jack Sh!!t because the body isn't conditioned to work that way.
Time is what is needed to acclimatise to differing conditions of weather.
Although lack of being able to run (fitness wise) is not why we lost it was the poor disposals. Humidity can change the way a player is able to handle the ball. The ball can be sticky and then slip around a lot.
I would say that the players knew this or felt this and didn't know how to adapt, hence one of the reasons why we lost.
Can't buy into your argument blaming the weather and conditions in any way, shape or form. I'll use data from Melbourne (Olympic Park) and Sydney (Olympic Park) from Friday night as an example (Sat night it was raining so not fair - apples to apples). At 7.00pm in Melbourne it was 21.5 degrees, 16.9 degrees Dew Point, 75% Relative Humidity and 7kph wind. In Sydney on Friday night at 7.00pm it was 23.9 degrees, 18.5 degrees Dew Point, 73% Relative Humidity and 13kph wind. Gold Coast last night was 24.2 degrees, 17.9 degrees Dew Point, 68% Relative Humidity and 24kmh winds. So there was factually much more likelihood of humidity and dew in Melbourne or Sydney at game start than the Gold Coast last night. But if we had played the game in Melbourne or Sydney and played the same way then no-one would have given the conditions a second thought. So I say again, it's a cheap p-weak cop out blaming the conditions to excuse a p-poor effort.
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So according the commentary on the Carlton -Port match apparently White was the #1 runner & endurance athlete at Richmond and is not even in the top half-dozen at Port.
Says it all really.....
This. We really need better fitness staff.
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Yeah you're right it wasn't the heat as it was only about 24 degrees.
Even if the players are super fit, the humidity can really take it out of you, and the humidity was high enough to do that. The humidity was in the mid 70's.
I have just moved from QLD, was there for thirty years and it takes a fair while to become used to it.
A heat room wouldn't do jack Sh!!t because the body isn't conditioned to work that way.
Time is what is needed to acclimatise to differing conditions of weather.
Although lack of being able to run (fitness wise) is not why we lost it was the poor disposals. Humidity can change the way a player is able to handle the ball. The ball can be sticky and then slip around a lot.
I would say that the players knew this or felt this and didn't know how to adapt, hence one of the reasons why we lost.
Can't buy into your argument blaming the weather and conditions in any way, shape or form. I'll use data from Melbourne (Olympic Park) and Sydney (Olympic Park) from Friday night as an example (Sat night it was raining so not fair - apples to apples). At 7.00pm in Melbourne it was 21.5 degrees, 16.9 degrees Dew Point, 75% Relative Humidity and 7kph wind. In Sydney on Friday night at 7.00pm it was 23.9 degrees, 18.5 degrees Dew Point, 73% Relative Humidity and 13kph wind. Gold Coast last night was 24.2 degrees, 17.9 degrees Dew Point, 68% Relative Humidity and 24kmh winds. So there was factually much more likelihood of humidity and dew in Melbourne or Sydney at game start than the Gold Coast last night. But if we had played the game in Melbourne or Sydney and played the same way then no-one would have given the conditions a second thought. So I say again, it's a cheap p-weak cop out blaming the conditions to excuse a p-poor effort.
I did say "one of the reasons why we may have lost" NOT the actual reason.
You could have 90% humidity here in Melbourne and that equates to about 20% humidity up in QLD, it's completely different weather conditions up there.
Not only have I lived in the two differing weather conditions and have tracked QLD weather conditions for the past 15 years, but also study climates around the world so when I say it CAN have an effect on players, it could.
We should've won by 10 goals and none of that has anything to do with the stuffing humidity and it would not have mattered if we played any place else on earth, we would not have won that game simply because we were totally crap. I simply offered a plausible reason why the heat room would not be of any use.
And also I wrote "hence one of the reasons why we lost", it should have read "hence one of the reasons why we may have lost", which is what I was getting at, so sorry for the typo.
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So according the commentary on the Carlton -Port match apparently White was the #1 runner & endurance athlete at Richmond and is not even in the top half-dozen at Port.
Says it all really.....
This. We really need better fitness staff.
Yeah I agree, so what happened to all the stuff, cotchin and lids and few others have said about having the best pre-season in years.
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I did say "one of the reasons why we may have lost" NOT the actual reason.
And I said "Can't buy into your argument blaming the weather and conditions in any way, shape or form." so to use it as even a p00fteenth of an excuse is something I disagree with. I never said you thought it was the actual reason.
You could have 90% humidity here in Melbourne and that equates to about 20% humidity up in QLD, it's completely different weather conditions up there.
Not only have I lived in the two differing weather conditions and have tracked QLD weather conditions for the past 15 years, but also study climates around the world so when I say it CAN have an effect on players, it could.
Lol. I guess my 30 years growing up, living and playing football in Melbourne and country Victoria plus my 20 years living and playing for a number of years in SE Qld counts for zip in the face of such expert knowledge. But I do know this - 80% humidity in Melbourne is 80% humidity in Queensland is 80% humidity in Upper Timbuktu. You would obviously know that relative humidity roughly speaking is a measure of the moisture in the air and that the combination of higher relative humidity and higher temperature is what makes the actual humidity harder to cope with and that the prevailing wind is what can help alleviate or accentuate the conditions. It doesn't matter where in the world those conditions prevail - it is what it is. People do get sucked into the thinking that because higher humidity and temperature is much more common in tropical and sub-tropical areas then it must always be more uncomfortable in those areas but that's not always the case and on Sat night on the Gold Coast conditions were more comfortable and conducive to good football than either of Melbourne and Sydney. Facts that the weather observations prove conclusively.
We should've won by 10 goals and none of that has anything to do with the stuffing humidity and it would not have mattered if we played any place else on earth, we would not have won that game simply because we were totally crap. I simply offered a plausible reason why the heat room would not be of any use.
Yep, but then you said the conditions were one of the reasons we may have lost and I completely disagreed with that so I wasn't having any sort of crack at you, just trying to prove why I believed my thinking to be right and yours wrong.
And also I wrote "hence one of the reasons why we lost", it should have read "hence one of the reasons why we may have lost", which is what I was getting at, so sorry for the typo.
The typo doesn't change what I think - the weather was not responsible for the outcome of that game in any way shape or form and to think so is to let the players have an avenue of escape from responsibility, regardless of how small.
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I have one thing to say about fitness staff
Darren Burgess :bow
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I did say "one of the reasons why we may have lost" NOT the actual reason.
And I said "Can't buy into your argument blaming the weather and conditions in any way, shape or form." so to use it as even a p00fteenth of an excuse is something I disagree with. I never said you thought it was the actual reason.
You could have 90% humidity here in Melbourne and that equates to about 20% humidity up in QLD, it's completely different weather conditions up there.
Not only have I lived in the two differing weather conditions and have tracked QLD weather conditions for the past 15 years, but also study climates around the world so when I say it CAN have an effect on players, it could.
Lol. I guess my 30 years growing up, living and playing football in Melbourne and country Victoria plus my 20 years living and playing for a number of years in SE Qld counts for zip in the face of such expert knowledge. But I do know this - 80% humidity in Melbourne is 80% humidity in Queensland is 80% humidity in Upper Timbuktu. You would obviously know that relative humidity roughly speaking is a measure of the moisture in the air and that the combination of higher relative humidity and higher temperature is what makes the actual humidity harder to cope with and that the prevailing wind is what can help alleviate or accentuate the conditions. It doesn't matter where in the world those conditions prevail - it is what it is. People do get sucked into the thinking that because higher humidity and temperature is much more common in tropical and sub-tropical areas then it must always be more uncomfortable in those areas but that's not always the case and on Sat night on the Gold Coast conditions were more comfortable and conducive to good football than either of Melbourne and Sydney. Facts that the weather observations prove conclusively.
We should've won by 10 goals and none of that has anything to do with the stuffing humidity and it would not have mattered if we played any place else on earth, we would not have won that game simply because we were totally crap. I simply offered a plausible reason why the heat room would not be of any use.
Yep, but then you said the conditions were one of the reasons we may have lost and I completely disagreed with that so I wasn't having any sort of crack at you, just trying to prove why I believed my thinking to be right and yours wrong.
And also I wrote "hence one of the reasons why we lost", it should have read "hence one of the reasons why we may have lost", which is what I was getting at, so sorry for the typo.
The typo doesn't change what I think - the weather was not responsible for the outcome of that game in any way shape or form and to think so is to let the players have an avenue of escape from responsibility, regardless of how small.
Yeah agreed they are all accountable for the loss, and wasn't really trying to give them an escape route, just peeed off big time that we lose again in the first round (yeah I remember last year lol).
As I said on another post, drop all except a couple and get in some kids that can kick and not handball and play faster footy.
Losing gets my bloodin curdling, no offense intended at any time mate :thumbsup
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Yeah agreed they are all accountable for the loss, and wasn't really trying to give them an escape route, just peeed off big time that we lose again in the first round (yeah I remember last year lol).
As I said on another post, drop all except a couple and get in some kids that can kick and not handball and play faster footy.
Losing gets my bloodin curdling, no offense intended at any time mate :thumbsup
All good, I'm not exactly a happy camper about it myself today! ;D :thumbsup
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I have long said this is a significant reason behind RFC failings.
Looking at the distressed state of Deledio when trying to go with Ablett deep in the game was very telling.
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Interesting that they are saying Matt White was our best runner at the club, he is not even in the top 6 at Port.
Heard this too, pretty loaded comment. Should have said sprinter, he certainly wasn't the best endurance runner. Whilst up there, I'm sure Ellis had him covered. As far as sprinting goes I'd back Deledio to out run Matty.
In saying that Port have bigger engines and quicker players than we do. They were great to watch tonight, smashing Carlton was great to watch. Would love some Port players in a yellow sash. Boak is a gun.
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Interesting that they are saying Matt White was our best runner at the club, he is not even in the top 6 at Port.
Heard this too, pretty loaded comment. Should have said sprinter, he certainly wasn't the best endurance runner. Whilst up there, I'm sure Ellis had him covered. As far as sprinting goes I'd back Deledio to out run Matty.
In saying that Port have bigger engines and quicker players than we do. They were great to watch tonight, smashing Carlton was great to watch. Would love some Port players in a yellow sash. Boak is a gun.
Matty White was consistently in our top 2 or 3 for both speed AND endurance
true story
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I have one thing to say about fitness staff
Darren Burgess :bow
that's probably why we tried to get him before we hired the bloke we have now (the one we got from Hawthorn)
Pity Burgess' wife is from Adelaide, that's the main reason he is at Port
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3 Cheers for Runball! :cheers :cheers :cheers
FFS
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Would like to know the 6 above White
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Would like to know the 6 above White
monfries would obviously be one...
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Endurance is one thing but can't make our players run quicker than they already are.
GC simply looked quicker. Some of their kids are quite simply better athletes than what we currently have at the club.
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Endurance is one thing but can't make our players run quicker than they already are.
GC simply looked quicker. Some of their kids are quite simply better athletes than what we currently have at the club.
You can actually increase speed Foley wasn't lightning when he first came to the club but in his own time he invested in a running coach and worked on it relentlessly until he became an explosive player. I agree if you're slow you're never going to be lightning but you can increase your speed! My cousin works with Adam Larkham fitness guru who trains some of australias best runners used to be at Freo and Swans - also trains several AFL players who come over for extra specialised training.
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well why don't you tell your cousin to get this Adam Larkham guru down the club FFS tony ::)
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Endurance is one thing but can't make our players run quicker than they already are.
GC simply looked quicker. Some of their kids are quite simply better athletes than what we currently have at the club.
They looked quicker in the last quarter which can't just be about speed, you think usain bolt is going to win a marathon?
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well why don't you tell your cousin to get this Adam Larkham guru down the club FFS tony ::)
Can't, club prefer Vickerys dad 8)
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Endurance is one thing but can't make our players run quicker than they already are.
GC simply looked quicker. Some of their kids are quite simply better athletes than what we currently have at the club.
They looked quicker in the last quarter which can't just be about speed, you think usain bolt is going to win a marathon?
I believe our endurance is poor but nonetheless, if both sides are tired in the last quarter then the quicker side will still be quicker....
Speed & endurance are clearly both issues for us.
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crows been running 50km a week over pre-season
sando letting them fly back though
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It is clear we just arent as fit as some clubs ( ports effort against carlton in the last quarter ) We need to get better staff to push our players to the next level. Gotta be fit to win finals, let alone make it to them.
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While that was an incredibly gutsy win, it does beg the question - how can port run over Carlton and they run over us if our fitness program is any good?
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While that was an incredibly gutsy win, it does beg the question - how can port run over Carlton and they run over us if our fitness program is any good?
Unfit between the ears
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Possibly.
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Carlton themselves have admitted they are underdone, and they run all over us. Nuff said, we're unfit
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Carlton themselves have admitted they are underdone, and they run all over us. Nuff said, we're unfit
excuses by Malthouse.....
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Carlton themselves have admitted they are underdone, and they run all over us. Nuff said, we're unfit
excuses by Malthouse.....
Or maybe it's excuses by you bc you don't want to admit that maybe just maybe we are a fair way off it fitness wise...
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Carlton themselves have admitted they are underdone, and they run all over us. Nuff said, we're unfit
excuses by Malthouse.....
Or maybe it's excuses by you bc you don't want to admit that maybe just maybe we are a fair way off it fitness wise...
were you at the G tonight? I was and Carlton did not look underdone! Malthouse was just deflecting the truth at last week.
Every club has players going in for surgery at the end of the year.
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Carlton themselves have admitted they are underdone, and they run all over us. Nuff said, we're unfit
excuses by Malthouse.....
Or maybe it's excuses by you bc you don't want to admit that maybe just maybe we are a fair way off it fitness wise...
were you at the G tonight? I was and Carlton did not look underdone! Malthouse was just deflecting the truth at last week.
Every club has players going in for surgery at the end of the year.
Yeah I was there and you're right Carlton didn't look underdone bc they were playing us. Don't forget we played the suns 2 players down for an entire half and they ran us off our legs in the final qtr ::)
But yeah its Malthouse deflecting and making excuses...
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Well said TM
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Carlton themselves have admitted they are underdone, and they run all over us. Nuff said, we're unfit
excuses by Malthouse.....
Or maybe it's excuses by you bc you don't want to admit that maybe just maybe we are a fair way off it fitness wise...
were you at the G tonight? I was and Carlton did not look underdone! Malthouse was just deflecting the truth at last week.
Every club has players going in for surgery at the end of the year.
Yeah I was there and you're right Carlton didn't look underdone bc they were playing us. Don't forget we played the suns 2 players down for an entire half and they ran us off our legs in the final qtr ::)
But yeah its Malthouse deflecting and making excuses...
When you give reasons for losing a match that doesn't credit the opposition, it's called an excuse. You can say it's not but it is.
Malthouse needs to look up the Concise Oxford Dictionary and look up what an excuse is!
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no worries ybb, whatever you reckon.. nice deflection btw
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no worries ybb, whatever you reckon.. nice deflection btw
Thanks, I think.
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They're a faster team than us. We had no legs left and no tactics to respond with. Must address this.
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no worries ybb, whatever you reckon.. nice deflection btw
Mate, you have carried on like a prat since this game - bigger sook than Jack :lol
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no worries ybb, whatever you reckon.. nice deflection btw
Mate, you have carried on like a prat since this game - bigger sook than Jack :lol
Spare me the personal insults. If you don't agree with me that's fine but put an argument forward and discuss. Don't act like a very childish school boy bully. >:(
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Pull your heads in. Tony is a great man
YBB, did you once write something somehwhere about having double d assets?
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no worries ybb, whatever you reckon.. nice deflection btw
Mate, you have carried on like a prat since this game - bigger sook than Jack :lol
It never ceases to amaze when small minded windbags cant put aside their bias when common sense stares them straight in the eye. Ok, what can you say to rebut my earlier observations?
1. Did we or did we not get over run by a GC side that was playing 2 players short for a half?
2. Did we or did we not get over run by a carlton side that was horribly over run by port in rnd 1?
Its pretty self explanatory I would have thought. Right now at this moment, we are behind the 8 ball fitness wise. Whether that will be a problem as the season progresses we shall see, but right now on the evidence we see, we are struggling a bit. Now if you're too emotional to cop an honest opinion from a fellow supporter bc its too negative for you, then that's another story. Don't sook it up just bc I and a lot of other supporters weren't enamoured with what we saw last night.
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Pull your heads in. Tony is a great man
YBB, did you once write something somehwhere about having double d assets?
Sorry about the ignorance Coach but what are double d assets? I hope you are not referring to physical attributes….
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Pull your heads in. Tony is a great man
YBB, did you once write something somehwhere about having double d assets?
Sorry about the ignorance Coach but what are double d assets? I hope you are not referring to physical attributes….
Well, yes I am if I'm honest. Someone with the same username wrote on another Tiger forum about...well...you know..
Kind regards,
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My initials are double D.
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So are mine. David Davidson aka The Coach
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Pull your heads in. Tony is a great man
YBB, did you once write something somehwhere about having double d assets?
Sorry about the ignorance Coach but what are double d assets? I hope you are not referring to physical attributes….
Well, yes I am if I'm honest. Someone with the same username wrote on another Tiger forum about...well...you know..
Kind regards,
Wasn't me and I'm a bloke without man boobs! ;D
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I thought so. Someone posts under the same name, I just had to ask. ;D
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"Quote from: yellowandback on Today at 08:22:58 PM
Quote from: tony_montana on Today at 12:09:00 AM
no worries ybb, whatever you reckon.. nice deflection btw
Mate, you have carried on like a prat since this game - bigger sook than Jack
It never ceases to amaze when small minded windbags cant put aside their bias when common sense stares them straight in the eye. Ok, what can you say to rebut my earlier observations?
1. Did we or did we not get over run by a GC side that was playing 2 players short for a half?
2. Did we or did we not get over run by a carlton side that was horribly over run by port in rnd 1?
Its pretty self explanatory I would have thought. Right now at this moment, we are behind the 8 ball fitness wise. Whether that will be a problem as the season progresses we shall see, but right now on the evidence we see, we are struggling a bit. Now if you're too emotional to cop an honest opinion from a fellow supporter bc its too negative for you, then that's another story. Don't sook it up just bc I and a lot of other supporters weren't enamoured with what we saw last night."
Neither was I.
But I was wrapped with the way we fought back in the last 10 minutes if the game.
It was the 19 minute mark of the last qtr when they levelled the scores.
We had 4 of the last 6 scores in the game - that wouldn't have happened last year.
We were poor against GC, that's fair but last night while we struggled for a period, we also showed good signs.
As for being a sook......
"Gutless, deep down they don't trust each other" - really?
"We're too scared to win" but we won
We hope we can win with an arsey tinarse goal like that" WTF
"You're a idiot" whose the emotional one?
"It never ceases to amaze when small minded windbags cant put aside their bias when common sense stares them straight in the eye. Ok, what can you say to rebut my earlier observations? "
I'm small minded because I drew breath at the 20 minute mark of the last qtr and you bitched?
I'm biased because I reckon our getting a win when we looked gone was a positive sign?
Riiiiiight.
Just because it's your opinion, it's not a fact. You don't need to abuse people because they dare to disagree with you.
Grow up.
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is it physical fitness, or a mental toughness to push hard when you are stuffed?
as for being run over by the gold coast, that happens heaps in football when one team breaks the other late in the game. it can be a fitness thing, but not necessarily.
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What are you banging on about? I don't care if people disagree with me, I generally respect peoples right to their opinion even if we disagree, you were the one that started with the stupid call after the siren pal, remember? I didn't like that and took offence at it. If we lost I wouldn't have called supporters stupid for thinking we were going to win. But that's my problem, I don't let twit comments go and then I get involved in verbals retaliating with people like you.
A day later I stand by the overall gist of what I wrote even in the highly emotive and slightly intoxicated state I was in. Bc the top sides rarely lose their poo time and again like we seem to do in games, its a disturbing pattern that has shown no signs of abating. Im concerned!
When you see players stop with their run for fear of leaving their man, that imo IS gutless and shows a lack of trust in team mates to back up. I saw this in tiger teams in the 90's and 00's where players go into survival mode to save their own bacon but ultimately that costs the side and stops us from becoming a very good side.
In amongst my comments, I also said before the final siren, that I was disappointed regardless of whether we won or lost bc if we won, it would be by luck not design. Now I don't know about you, but bombing it long and hoping for someone to do something is not good process, its hoping for luck! I'd prefer players still running hard to create. For me, that shows guts and that shows faith in backing your teammates in to do the right thing. We don't have that and I want us to develop it. . Did you hear Matt Thomas today? Thought I heard him say something along the lines of we have to have the courage to keep going when the going gets tough. But yeah I have nfi and Im just a sook.
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is it physical fitness, or a mental toughness to push hard when you are stuffed?
as for being run over by the gold coast, that happens heaps in football when one team breaks the other late in the game. it can be a fitness thing, but not necessarily.
al, yeah it does happen heaps in football, but it shouldn't happen when the other team has been 2 players down for an entire half.
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no it shouldn't, but again i pose the question, is it physical, or mental?
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no it shouldn't, but again i pose the question, is it physical, or mental?
One or the other or both, either way its had an impact thus far. Obviously the word from players in interviews today is they are extremely sore, so physically they were spent, but given that this has happened at both ends of the season last year when match hardened, you'd also have to say there's a good chance its mental too.
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Percy Cerutty would be rolling in his grave. Get 'em back down to the dunes with Tommy.
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1. Did we or did we not get over run by a GC side that was playing 2 players short for a half?
We really were only 1 down, we couldn't bring our sub on and off so really I don't think that had a bearing on who was fitter.
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rather start the season slow and be firing at the pointy end thanks
build me up buttercup :-*
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rather start the season slow and be firing at the pointy end thanks
build me up buttercup :-*
+1. Essendon has been quick out of the blocks the past 2 seasons and their form drops as the season goes on. Of course you don't want to lose the first few rounds to keep some gas in the tank but we got the 4 points and with better ball movement by foot we won't need to running ourselves into the ground in the business end of the season.
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+2
We wont need to be extrodinarily fast against the dogs this week either, just have to beat them at chess.
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rather start the season slow and be firing at the pointy end thanks
build me up buttercup :-*
+1. Essendon has been quick out of the blocks the past 2 seasons and their form drops as the season goes on. Of course you don't want to lose the first few rounds to keep some gas in the tank but we got the 4 points and with better ball movement by foot we won't need to running ourselves into the ground in the business end of the season.
Essendon has done that every seasonssince like 2010
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rather start the season slow and be firing at the pointy end thanks
build me up buttercup :-*
+1. Essendon has been quick out of the blocks the past 2 seasons and their form drops as the season goes on. Of course you don't want to lose the first few rounds to keep some gas in the tank but we got the 4 points and with better ball movement by foot we won't need to running ourselves into the ground in the business end of the season.
yes but that drop off has come progressively later in the season over the last few years.
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Going by today's newspaper article, if it was only about money we would've most likely got Burgess as our fitness coach. However, he and especially his wife love Port Adelaide so he obviously accepted less to go back there. We, of course, ended up with Burge instead.
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It was Burgess’s friendship with former coach Matthew Primus that first opened the door for his return, but when Primus was sacked at the end of 2012 and Adelaide and Richmond entered the battle for Burgess’s services, Thomas feared the worst.
“The money got a bit frightening for us and I got a bit annoyed that all of a sudden, really late in the piece, there was this competition on,” he said.
“I actually walked away from him which, in hindsight, would have been one of the most disturbing decisions I’ve ever made. I said we couldn’t get involved in an auction, the money is too big, we’re out.
“Thank God his wife Kristy then rang me and said: ‘We love Port Adelaide ... please keep talking’ and in the end we found a good workable solution and as history has shown it’s been absolutely fantastic for us.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-secret-behind-port-adelaides-elite-fitness-level-is-gut-busting-preseason-employed-by-worldclass-fitness-guru-darren-burgess/story-fndv8s6g-1226896817101
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Man wants to come home to Melbourne and work with a big city club, wife says no we will go to where I'm from and have lunch everyday with my family.
Haha we know who wears the pants there.
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we never get the best people thats why we are where we are - on a road to nowhere going fast
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We can't let this slob be at the club past this season. Who else can we poach ?
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Who ever was the guy we missed out on to PA.
Huge shame we didn't get him. Going OK at the moment.
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Most of the problem is above the shoulders but having said that if we're (elite AFL standard) fit I'll go he.
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"this is the first preseason we have been able to get the players to train at 100%"
:lol
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Burge the slob couldn't train a sloth to be lazy
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Just to reitterate what I wrote in the Tom Hafety thread:
Which current AFL coach's philosophy is closest to Tommy's of being the fitter than everyone else and playing fast, direct footy?
Which side is currently topping the AFL ladder?
Some things are timeless.
Football is still a simple game. Tommy understood that.
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"this is the first preseason we have been able to get the players to train at 100%"
:lol
:lol
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Imagine if they were still stuck at 80%. How bad would we be then? :gobdrop
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"this is the first preseason we have been able to get the players to train at 100%"
:lol
WTF do you take daily. We had the worst pre-season to date with many players having pre-season operations & many not being involved in pre-season games or being able to start round 1. List is too long to put down. We know what you did last summer ;D :lol
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Drive home drunk tonight chump.
Got run over the top of by a team who played in WA last week.
Pig.
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Fox footy team just asked
Are they fit enough?
Answer was a resounding NO
Supporters aren't given enough credit, they know their side better than the experts. We've been calling it since round 1. At a family function a Carlton assistant coach told me they were stunned they were able to run over the top of us in the 2nd half bc at that stage they were 2-3 weeks off from acceptable match fitness.
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Has to go down as the biggest joke of a pre season in history.
Martin in backline?
How'd he go in the fwd line tonight?... Basket case.
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Just to reitterate what I wrote in the Tom Hafety thread:
Which current AFL coach's philosophy is closest to Tommy's of being the fitter than everyone else and playing fast, direct footy?
Which side is currently topping the AFL ladder?
Some things are timeless.
Football is still a simple game. Tommy understood that.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Apparently Burge was shown the door at the saints because he wasn't good enough.
Read that on bigfooty just then.
Interesting seeing this now, maybe the troll was telling some truth :o.
Oh and of course our resident guru had this to say...
Excellent, well done Tiges
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Will be around for another 3-4 years for sure
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Bow to the great man. :bow
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Will be around for another 3-4 years for sure
would have to be to hide the accountability of those who gave him the job.
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Fox footy team just asked
Are they fit enough?
Answer was a resounding NO
Supporters aren't given enough credit, they know their side better than the experts. We've been calling it since round 1. At a family function a Carlton assistant coach told me they were stunned they were able to run over the top of us in the 2nd half bc at that stage they were 2-3 weeks off from acceptable match fitness.
Totally agree. Seriously exposed.
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3aw today played a clip of Ivan saying it's not fitness. Shaw and BT questioned Richmond's fitness level but Richo said it's not fitness. Ex-RFC fitness coach Matt Hornsby was on and agreed with Richo it's not a fitness issue. He's been in that situation and when you're not winning contested footy and chasing tail you can look slow. He said Richmond's final quarters are some of their best so they run out games.
On Matty White, Hornsby said Whitey would return to preseason slightly short of fitness and within a couple of weeks he'd be up with Dan Jackson as our best. He reckons that explains the "13th at Port" comment and that Whitey would now be up with Port's best runners.
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Yeah it's not fitness ::)
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Drew Petrie - "We backed our fitness once we got level or got a lead as we've run out games this year unlike last year. We knew they (Richmond) have been run over a few times this year so once we got a sniff we went for blood".
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Dud.
Delist. :pray
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Drew Petrie - "We backed our fitness once we got level or got a lead as we've run out games this year unlike last year. We knew they (Richmond) have been run over a few times this year so once we got a sniff we went for blood".
:lol
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The last qtrs stuff is such a cop out. Awful cop out.
How many games have we been blowed away only to have the oppositions take foot off accelerator. Its an awful stat.
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We all know we should have gotten the SS version - BurgeSS.
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We all know we should have gotten the SS version - BurgeSS.
:clapping
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No fitness coach in the world can make already slow players faster.
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Hes a Burger
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Is it not the coach fault ?
He is content to go into the year with a lack of proper staff working under him?
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A problem that we've failed to address for a quarter of a century and now the capped rotations have found us out big time. Something we, in typical RFC fashion- failed to anticipate.
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Hardwick thinks we're fit...
It wasn’t to be, however, with Richmond outscoring the Power by seven points in the final term – 5.5 to 4.4 – to win by 20 points.
“We’re a good last-quarter side as well,” Hardwick said.
“We always knew if we were in front (at three-quarter time), we’d be a fair chance to win.
“We back ourselves in . . . our fitness has been very good throughout the year.
From richmond site
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-16/fit-tigers-fire-in-final-term
Edit: added link
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what a muppet
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I think you're being kind TM.
I remember walking to the MCG in late 2002 after hearing a typical Danny Frawley media interview about us being "cherry ripe" after an "unrichmond like effort" the previous week and how Steven Sziller was "a ripper" and thinking - " he's just not going to be the answer"
After this year, I've reached the same conclusion - I hope he can say or do something that makes me think maybe he's just had a bad week, month, month(s) but then he goes and says something absolutely stuffing ridiculous like this. :banghead
The man is deluded. Brett Deludioed.
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Bump.
Our fitness and the ability to run out games was much maligned before this season. However, there was a complete turnaround this year where we would just pressure and overpower our opponents in second halves. We especially won all three finals comfortably running away with the game after half-time. Obviously, the new gameplan and the quicker side we put out on the park this year had a lot to do with the turnaround, but credit where it's due to our fitness and conditioning staff :clapping.
Powerful finishes were the trademark of Richmond’s 2017 premiership year.
The Tigers won 18 of their 25 last quarters for the season, outscoring opponents by a combined total of 293 points in those matches.
They kicked five goals or more in final terms on 15 occasions (including the Grand Final), with a best return of 7.3 against Brisbane in Round 17 at Etihad Stadium and also against Geelong in the qualifying final at the MCG.
Their second best quarter overall for the season was the third, which they won 15 times.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-10-23/tigers-dominant-in-last-quarters
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Makes you question our mind set previously. Has our fitness regime changed that much? Or were all our players lazy sod's before
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Makes you question our mind set previously. Has our fitness regime changed that much? Or were all our players lazy sod's before
Well we had
Vickery who couldn't be stuffed
Hampson who could only do so much before needing a knee hunch
Lids who did enough to look flashy
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Makes you question our mind set previously. Has our fitness regime changed that much? Or were all our players lazy sod's before
I recall when Rutten first joined richmond as a development coach saying we need to train harder and Lids replied take it easy truck, we just got back, we'll train harder next week. or something along those lines.
Attitude probably wasnt the best
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One bloke who should receive special praise this year is our head of fitness coach, Peter Burge.
For us to cop all those injuries (most of which were structural/collision types) and to have many of our stars out for lengthy periods during the first 2/3rds of the season, yet for him and the rest of our fitness and medico staff
to still be able to get our list not only back to almost full health but to be peaking and firing on all cylinders for the finals and to win the flag was an incredible effort.
We're very fortunate as a Club to have such highly skilled, knowledgeable and dedicated people :clapping.
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I marvel at the teams fitness and conditioning these recent years. They run teams into the ground and then keep running and all without vitamin injections or columbian marching powder.
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I remember being absolutely bummed we couldn’t land Darren Burgess a while back. Looking back seeing the sudden meteoric rise of port Adelaide in 2014 I remember thinking Geez I wish our team had the fitness and conditioning of Port. Fast forward to 2017 where we got to see our team ruin sides after 3/4 time and also this year being able to peg back leads and grind out wins I’m so proud of our boys but also our medical and fitness crew for a)not rushing players back while still injured ala Richmond of old and b) when someone comes in from the twos they are able to at least run out the match.
Well done to all the support staff for changing the way RFC manages players
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This guy is doing an extraordinary job.
You just know if the team is within a sniff at half time they will probably run a team down.
Like Geelong for example! I love how their salty supporters are trying to hang their hats on their half-time lead in the prelim :)
Tigers really are the fittest and best team over a full four quarters.
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lol yeah that really is too precious. If's, but's and maybe's are no substitute for a flag but they sure make good tissues.