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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tigs2011 on October 01, 2012, 08:24:40 PM
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I'm going the optimistic path that we get Tyson and won't have pick 9. ;D
Who would you like in the second round?
For me,
Any two of Graham, Broomhead, Atkins, Simpson or Boston.
Would speak to GC about a trade of pick 29 or 31 for Boston and 44 with maybe Coleman-Broome thrown in as change. Provided GC can't fit these zone selections on their list they get a free upgrade and we get a player worth pick 30ish plus a lightning small forward and a bonus 3rd rounder.
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Tom Lee at 29 and if available, Tom Lee at 31. Cant have to many Tom Lee's
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Tom Lee at 29 and if available, Tom Lee at 31. Cant have to many Tom Lee's
:lol
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If we end up with Tyson don't be surprised if our first pick is in the early 20's :shh :shh
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Tom Lee at 29 and if available, Tom Lee at 31. Cant have to many Tom Lee's
:lol
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FORMER Sydney Swans ruckman Daniel Currie looms a NAB AFL Draft smokey, with several Victorian clubs believed to be interested in the 200cm 23-year-old.
Currie spent five years in Sydney after being drafted as a 17-year-old from TAC Cup side Northern Knights at pick No.49 in 2006.
He was the only ruckman invited to the NAB AFL Draft State Combine in Adelaide on October 13.
Currie was coy on exactly who he had spoken to in the lead-up to November's draft, but at least three Victorian clubs are believed to have shown interest.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=149084&utm_medium=RSS
I wonder if one of the clubs interested is us given we need to find a ready-made back-up ruckman who can hold up at AFL level just in case either Maric or TV (who'll play forward mostly) go down. We know Gus isn't the answer and Browne has been delisted.
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If the Swans couldn't turn him into a good ruckman, then no-one will.
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If the Swans couldn't turn him into a good ruckman, then no-one will.
Ain't dat de truth!!
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not really
don't overrate the swans, you only hear of their successes but they have plenty of misses
check out their first round draft picks from the last 15 years, or trawl through all the recycled players they have recruited and check out how many didn't make it
also rucks take a longer to mature and sydney have never been able to develop their own (except Pyke) – they buy them: Ball, Everitt, Jolly, Mumford, Seaby
Stafford the only ruck of note they've developed that i can remember
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I thought the grandfinal was friggen boring and the swans were lucky that the Hawks were playing like tired old women on the day. They did what the Hawks did to Geebung when they snaffled one they shouldn't have and wouldn't have on any other day, like Carltank did to us back all those moons ago in 82.
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They need to be big bodied 17 year olds ... someone needs to remind Richmond that we still need to blood cubs through, not just mature aged players!
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I thought the grandfinal was friggen boring and the swans were lucky that the Hawks were playing like tired old women on the day. They did what the Hawks did to Geebung when they snaffled one they shouldn't have and wouldn't have on any other day, like Carltank did to us back all those moons ago in 82.
Hawthorn are a far better side but they can go and get ****ed.
Sydney have ticker.
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screw Sydney they are poachers, screwed us over a few times in trade stakes stuff em. So much spirit....with their xtra salary cap propping them up for donkeys years...stuff em.
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screw Sydney they are poachers, screwed us over a few times in trade stakes stuff em. So much spirit....with their xtra salary cap propping them up for donkeys years...stuff em.
Amen
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lee at 31 thru 50 would have been great have i mentioned im a fan.
seeing as dom tyson isnt coming id like us to have a crack at caddy with 9 failing that my preference is stringer or vlastuin.
at 29 i hope a kid called sam lowrie is available failing that josh simpson. both wa lads.
at 31 id be looking at dean towers a big hard running mid with good skills.
at 50 i have rodda and howson both kpds and both wa boys
at 68 max duffy another wa boy classy med sized forward who should be able to go thru the midfield. like lee should have been drafted last yr or at least rookied.
as you can see its mainly wa boys i get to see so theres a big leaning toward them. if we went past 68 perhaps a young ruckman with the next pick.
all big bodies all good skills.
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Possible names available in the second round of the draft:
Matthew Haynes
Tim Broomhead
Jed Anderson
Nathan Wright
Adam Carter
Jason Pongracic
Liam McBean
Darcy Fort
Tanner Smith
Nathan Stark
Jordan Bourke
James Stewart
Andrew Boston
Dean Towers
Sam Colquhoun
Jake Neade
Nick Rodda
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason
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Would go for a genuine Half Forward at Pick 29.
Good strong mark, quick lead, great accurate kick.
Pick 31, a tall agile Centre Half Back!
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Josh Simpson at 29 if he lasts. The most natural footballer in the entire draft IMHO. Extremely evasive and skillful and very quick too!
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Josh Simpson at 29 if he lasts. The most natural footballer in the entire draft IMHO. Extremely evasive and skillful and very quick too!
Here's some video highlights of Simpson ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRjqkeXw7l4
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Josh Simpson at 29 if he lasts. The most natural footballer in the entire draft IMHO. Extremely evasive and skillful and very quick too!
Here's some video highlights of Simpson ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRjqkeXw7l4
Holy poo..... :shh
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Simpson will go somwhere between 10 and 20 would love him to fall to us though but I doubt he will even get close.....
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Nine?
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Simpson is inconsistent but I he puts it together could end up top 5 of this draft pool.
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Easily the best highlights i've seen. He looks pure silk. Surprised there's not more talk of him. Were those highlights the only touches that he got this year?
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He goes alright ! Hope he doesn't get homesick though.
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When Jesse Lonergan was asked who he enjoyed speaking with most at the combine he answered "Damien Hardwick".
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-61#post-26121646
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Hmmmm.....183cm and 86kg
https://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/143444/default.aspx
Dusty the 2nd
Whoa :shh
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Can't take Tasmanians in the draft, Davey doesnt rate anyone from that state to ever make the level
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Can't take Tasmanians in the draft, Davey doesnt rate anyone from that state to ever make the level
I went all right
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Josh Simpson at 29 if he lasts. The most natural footballer in the entire draft IMHO. Extremely evasive and skillful and very quick too!
Here's some video highlights of Simpson ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRjqkeXw7l4
:o Niiice!! Kid plays like a young Andrew McLeod.
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Can't take Tasmanians in the draft, Davey doesnt rate anyone from that state to ever make the level
I went all right
yeah but you're a territorian by birth and drink the black blood of the earth
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;D
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I've updated the thread title to include the updated second round picks we have now: 32, 34 and 43. The free agency compo picks have pushed our second round picks back 3 spots.
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Who cares as long as he can make the step up quickly...... at least we are getting better with the picks we have videos know unluck the day of jon gee that hurts typing those 3letters in what a star where îhe know a days
Vafa div 4ressies :lol :lol :lol
Go u tigers
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9, 32, 34, 43, 68?. yep 68 i really believe we need to use this pick.
how much better would it be if we manged a pick between 17 and 25 as well. how do we achieve this any ideas.
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9, 32, 34, 43, 68?. yep 68 i really believe we need to use this pick.
how much better would it be if we manged a pick between 17 and 25 as well. how do we achieve this any ideas.
Go back to the well (Adelaide) until it's dry? Doubt we will use 68. More likely sign a delisted FA or PSD.
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jessie lonergan (sp) i would love us to get him
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How could anyone guess pick 32, 34 & 43??? They are so far down the pecking order you may as well throw a dart at the board...
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it would want to be a super draft at this stuffing rate...
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How could anyone guess pick 32, 34 & 43??? They are so far down the pecking order you may as well throw a dart at the board...
it would want to be a super draft at this stuffing rate...
Like these two posts :thumbsup
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9, 32, 34, 43, 68?. yep 68 i really believe we need to use this pick.
how much better would it be if we manged a pick between 17 and 25 as well. how do we achieve this any ideas.
Go back to the well (Adelaide) until it's dry? Doubt we will use 68. More likely sign a delisted FA or PSD.
i can think of three or 4 mature state league recruits who we should take at 68. im adamant max duffy 20yo should be taken for one. kyle martin 22yo looks a ready made highly skilled mid.
jack hannath 21yo a promising ruckman from centrals. id really be happy to get another pick at 45 50 kpds like rodda and howson are likely to be available.
just my opinion but none of these types will last to the rookie draft clubs will be targeting them with late nd picks.
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Brett Anderson from Inside Football reckons Rory Atkins is a possibility to be taken by us with either pick 32 or 34. Essendon apparently keen on the him as well but their second round pick is after our 34.
RORY ATKINS
DOB: 12/07/1994
Height: 186cm
Weight: 80kg
Club: Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
Bio: a medium forward/midfielder with very good agility and composure with the ball. Makes good decisions with his disposal either by hand or on his preferred left foot. Plays as a hit-up half-forward who is a good overhead mark as well as being clean at ground level. Played two games for Vic Metro and averaged more than 20 disposals a game at TAC Cup level. AIS-AFL Academy graduate.
Read more here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149953/default.aspx
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I'm going the optimistic path that we get Tyson and won't have pick 9. ;D
Who would you like in the second round?
For me,
Any two of Graham, Broomhead, Atkins, Simpson or Boston.
Would speak to GC about a trade of pick 29 or 31 for Boston and 44 with maybe Coleman-Broome thrown in as change. Provided GC can't fit these zone selections on their list they get a free upgrade and we get a player worth pick 30ish plus a lightning small forward and a bonus 3rd rounder.
add lowrie and towers to those names at 32 and 34 and nick rodda at 43.
gotta say again i wish we had another pick around 45 - 55 theres half a dozen i like a lot. in fact id like pick 74 back to target one of 4 or 5 mature players id be keen to get.
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Anyone interested in Tom Gillies for 43 or a PSD pick should we make another delisting?
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Anyone interested in Tom Gillies for 43 or a PSD pick should we make another delisting?
Wouldn't he be available next week as a de-listed player who's now an unrestricted free agent?
Couldn't we pick him up next week?
And yep I'd certainly have a look at him
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Anyone interested in Tom Gillies for 43 or a PSD pick should we make another delisting?
Wouldn't he be available next week as a de-listed player who's now an unrestricted free agent?
Couldn't we pick him up next week?
And yep I'd certainly have a look at him
Oh yeah that's still to go lol. With that marathon month I totally forgot there was still that.
But yeah, only mentioned Gillies because I think we were keen on him last trade period? Or at least that's what people were talking about last year. But he was still contracted and nominated Hawthorn, or something. I thought he was coming along all right but it seem Geelong thought otherwise. Unless they're backing in with Rivers and stuff now.
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With Derickx, White and McGuane taking up contracts I don't think there's any room left.
We have four spots left for the draft after delisting Post.
No room for Delisted Player Free Agent.
No room for Out Of Contract Players in ND or PSD.
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After McG and White re-signing you'd be right there
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With Derickx, White and McGuane taking up contracts I don't think there's any room left.
We have four spots left for the draft after delisting Post.
No room for Delisted Player Free Agent.
No room for Out Of Contract Players in ND or PSD.
Can't you take a de-listed free agent in lieu of using a draft pick?
thought you could :-\
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dont see why not as long as you have you three picks
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Yeah you can. I think RT was just referring to that we don't have any more room for a DFA or PSD if we use 4 NDs. Of course could use 43 on Gillies if he nominated for the ND but then you would have to work out if he's better than a kid at 43. Other club's spuds are more attractive than your own. Is Gillies just another Post?
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Anyone interested in Tom Gillies for 43 or a PSD pick should we make another delisting?
Wouldn't he be available next week as a de-listed player who's now an unrestricted free agent?
Couldn't we pick him up next week?
And yep I'd certainly have a look at him
to take any player as a psd we need to cut someone else or not use pick 43. seems to me today we signed the last of our uncontracted players.
apparently we wont be looking for any delisted players or mature players if their actions are anything to go by.
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With Derickx, White and McGuane taking up contracts I don't think there's any room left.
We have four spots left for the draft after delisting Post.
No room for Delisted Player Free Agent.
No room for Out Of Contract Players in ND or PSD.
yep absolute disgrace thats craig cameron for ya. bet he gives white a 2 yr contract.
if we cant do better than white and mcguane in any trade draft period we should just cease to operate.
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but can we do better with picks after 60?
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With Derickx, White and McGuane taking up contracts I don't think there's any room left.
We have four spots left for the draft after delisting Post.
No room for Delisted Player Free Agent.
No room for Out Of Contract Players in ND or PSD.
yep absolute disgrace thats craig cameron for ya. bet he gives white a 2 yr contract.
if we cant do better than white and mcguane in any trade draft period we should just cease to operate.
Or maybe (and hopefully) it's just a one year because they compared White to who we could get at a late pick and thought it was a better option to stick with him for one year and upgrade him with an earlier pick next year, rather than be stuck with a late pick potato for two years that doesn't go anywhere.
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yep absolute disgrace thats craig cameron for ya. bet he gives white a 2 yr contract.
Err wrong he didn't
Carry on ;D
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Bet he doesnt claw
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Reckon they have kept White on for 1 more year before pushing him to the VFL Richmond side :thumbsup
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I work with Ben Kearns' mum.
14 sides interviewed him at the combine, we weren't one of them.
We have recently made contact though and have shown a little interest. Sydney and Norf are very keen though.
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I work with Ben Kearns' mum.
14 sides interviewed him at the combine, we weren't one of them.
We have recently made contact though and have shown a little interest. Sydney and Norf are very keen though.
Could well be because we don't have any picks in the range he will go. Sydney and Norf have late picks so need to find some gems late. IMO he's a fair way off but has enough tools to work with as a base and should see him land in the ND rather than rookie.
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yep absolute disgrace thats craig cameron for ya. bet he gives white a 2 yr contract.
Err wrong he didn't
Carry on ;D
well wonders never cease.
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but can we do better with picks after 60?
i could pick 10 players better than white or worthy of giving a go to over white. ive named plenty of them thru the season.
kyle martin tom sundberg sam dwyer jack hannath a ruckman who shows promise james boyd like hannath also from centrals. max duffy myke cook to name a few and they are just state leaguers. we have delisted players and nd picks to chosse from also.
while im prepared to defend the club and players who have had a short stint i cant defend or fathom why supporters continue to support decisions like matt white whos had 7 yr and has failed miserably. he doesnt even provide good depth as we have plenty wh o play his role and are better and most of them arent much chop either.
brent moloney imo should have been a target at the expense of white the gulf in performance and talent between these two is enormous. i actually thought white would have been one of the first cut to make room for free agency and trades. id rather two yrs of moloney for nothing than another yr or god forbid more than 1 yr of what matt white dishes up it simply is not good enough.
he has to be the luckiest player in the comp. better off trying any one than a player with whites skillset and 7 yr performances.
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Is it possible you underrate white?
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but can we do better with picks after 60?
i could pick 10 players better than white or worthy of giving a go to over white. ive named plenty of them thru the season.
kyle martin tom sundberg sam dwyer jack hannath a ruckman who shows promise james boyd like hannath also from centrals. max duffy myke cook to name a few and they are just state leaguers. we have delisted players and nd picks to chosse from also.
while im prepared to defend the club and players who have had a short stint i cant defend or fathom why supporters continue to support decisions like matt white whos had 7 yr and has failed miserably. he doesnt even provide good depth as we have plenty wh o play his role and are better and most of them arent much chop either.
brent moloney imo should have been a target at the expense of white the gulf in performance and talent between these two is enormous. i actually thought white would have been one of the first cut to make room for free agency and trades. id rather two yrs of moloney for nothing than another yr or god forbid more than 1 yr of what matt white dishes up it simply is not good enough.
he has to be the luckiest player in the comp. better off trying any one than a player with whites skillset and 7 yr performances.
yet how many times in the last couple of weeks have you told us that later picks have a very low strike rate and you were happy to trade them away?
either you can get good players with the late picks or you cant. it has nothing to do with how good white is or isn't?
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Draft late pick potato, stuck with them for 2 years. Keep White on one more year, replace with earlier draft pick.
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pretty simple really
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but can we do better with picks after 60?
i could pick 10 players better than white or worthy of giving a go to over white. ive named plenty of them thru the season.
kyle martin tom sundberg sam dwyer jack hannath a ruckman who shows promise james boyd like hannath also from centrals. max duffy myke cook to name a few and they are just state leaguers. we have delisted players and nd picks to chosse from also.
while im prepared to defend the club and players who have had a short stint i cant defend or fathom why supporters continue to support decisions like matt white whos had 7 yr and has failed miserably. he doesnt even provide good depth as we have plenty wh o play his role and are better and most of them arent much chop either.
brent moloney imo should have been a target at the expense of white the gulf in performance and talent between these two is enormous. i actually thought white would have been one of the first cut to make room for free agency and trades. id rather two yrs of moloney for nothing than another yr or god forbid more than 1 yr of what matt white dishes up it simply is not good enough.
he has to be the luckiest player in the comp. better off trying any one than a player with whites skillset and 7 yr performances.
yet how many times in the last couple of weeks have you told us that later picks have a very low strike rate and you were happy to trade them away?
either you can get good players with the late picks or you cant. it has nothing to do with how good white is or isn't?
very low nd and rookie picks used on kids have a very high fail rate. yep ive said that. i stand by it but the whole statement or context of what ive been saying is
i have advocated instead of kids with these picks we take mature players.
preferably state league players with good skillsets and the right physical attributes to play afl who have excelled in their comps. the players i named are all mature players.they imo would bring more to our club than white that would not be hard to do.
after 7 yrs to be honest id rather give a kid a go in the slim hope of finding better than white.
its this sort of decision continually carrying players who provide little or nothing that sees us struggle to rise up the ladder.
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Is it possible you underrate white?
not likely 7 yrs of mostly the same thing with him and he still cant establish himself. as a small he should have established himself 4 yrs ago.
7yrs and averages just 12 games a yr
a small with an ave of 10 disposals a game unbelievable.
when playing forward hardly kicks a goal 0.5 a game ave.
he has poor skills for a small and his decision making is lousy. that in itself is unforgivable.
as a forward hes behind every other forward on the list. as a mid he doesnt get a look in.
you tell me if after 7 yrs of exactly the same thing ive underestimated him.
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At the moment still better than most of the twisted meat puppets that can't break into the side, and probably better than anyone we can get after pick 40
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true, and thats a problem.White was probably richmonds best performed player at coburg (and Mr Maggo probably not far behind him) this year. thats why they got another year
we need others can stand up and outperform them at coburg to make them truly redundant. at least they are no longer starting 22 with a full list
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true, and thats a problem.White was probably richmonds best performed player at coburg (and Mr Maggo probably not far behind him) this year. thats why they got another year
we need others can stand up and outperform them at coburg to make them truly redundant. at least they are no longer starting 22 with a full list
How did Post go for Coburg this year :whistle :whistle
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did he play?
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true, and thats a problem.White was probably richmonds best performed player at coburg (and Mr Maggo probably not far behind him) this year. thats why they got another year
we need others can stand up and outperform them at coburg to make them truly redundant. at least they are no longer starting 22 with a full list
How did Post go for Coburg this year :whistle :whistle
Not as well as the 2 mentioned above.
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At the moment still better than most of the twisted meat puppets that can't break into the side, and probably better than anyone we can get after pick 40
we just went and got edwards a much better performer who plays as a forward. we just went and got knights who plays mid/for a much better player.
you have to ask why keep him. there is no logical reason to keep him not even for depth.
i will say again if we cant find a better player than him even past 40 we should just give up. hes so poor and so redundant id rather we took the punt on a kid with a late pick in an attempt to actually improve the list rather than persevere with a 7 yr known dud who offers nothing.
we could have gone out and got a proven player like moloney and cut this bloke. there are many better performed mature players running around in state leagues why not see what they can offer but no we keep the 7 yr non performer. its a joke.
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ADELAIDE has begun scouring the nation for mature-age talent as it prepares to lose early selections in this month's national draft.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/adelaide-has-begun-scouring-for-mature-age-recruits-as-it-prepares-to-lose-early-draft-choices/story-e6frf9jf-1226510983010
If true then all of our 2nd round picks move up the draft order by one :thumbsup
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Melbourne should lose 4 and.27.
Cheats.
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Melbourne should lose 4 and.27.
Cheats.
If Melbourne get done so should the cheating scum for tanking for the Gibbs and Kruzer cups.
Bloody cheats
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Has the club come out and stated what we are looking for in this draft?
Midfielders? Key Forwards?
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Haven't seen anything from the club as yet other than an indication we will be looking for more mature players on the rookie list.
My thoughts are our midfield depth needs addressing so I'd be happy if all 4 picks were midfielders who have some flexibility. Can add KPP's and ruck in rookie draft with focus on state leagues. Only exception would be a big slip in a good player e.g. Grundy to 9, Plowman to 32 etc.
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Has the club come out and stated what we are looking for in this draft?
Midfielders? Key Forwards?
It'd be nice if they stfu.
What is the point saying it at this stage?
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cameron said best available when asked the question.
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cameron said best available when asked the question.
craig cameron wouldnt know best available if it smacked him in the head.
reading hardwicks comments about where astbury and griffiths are going to play id say we have three dire needs to attend to.
mids, talls forwards, and rucks.
can now see 3 mids being taken and a kpf in the nd with 9, 32, 34 and 43. we will probably rookie a mature ruckman.
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Just as well its not his decision then
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Just as well its not his decision then
No, but he'll still get the blame.
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Just as well its not his decision then
No, but he'll still get the blame.
Unless it's a Brownlow Medallist. But he wouldn't get the credit.
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:lol
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Why's that funny? Cameron isn't in charge of picking the kids but as the bloke running the show he would have some input. Contract runs out at the end of this year and I'm betting that the spud will be gawwwn come seasons end :clapping
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get Matty Rendell
could do Cameron's job whilst burning crosses
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Why's that funny? Cameron isn't in charge of picking the kids but as the bloke running the show he would have some input. Contract runs out at the end of this year and I'm betting that the spud will be gawwwn come seasons end :clapping
Vote 1 Neil Balme to get the job. :thumbsup
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Why's that funny? Cameron isn't in charge of picking the kids but as the bloke running the show he would have some input. Contract runs out at the end of this year and I'm betting that the spud will be gawwwn come seasons end :clapping
and I'll bet you that he's already had his 5-year contract extended.
It will have happened early this year after all the talk from March about the great advantage there was in the club having stability in their key figures - Gale, Cameron and Hardwick.
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You are probably right. Stability doesn't mean anything when you have a confirmed spud in Cameron and an unproven coach. There should be riots if we don't make finals this year ;D
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cameron said best available when asked the question.
He also left open the option of going for type with any one of these 2nd round picks but the final decision on that would be left to Francis Jackson.
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You are probably right. Stability doesn't mean anything when you have a confirmed spud in Cameron and an unproven coach. There should be riots if we don't make finals this year ;D
So if we make the finals then, the coach will be proven successful and Cameron a confirmed good operator? ::)
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You are probably right. Stability doesn't mean anything when you have a confirmed spud in Cameron and an unproven coach. There should be riots if we don't make finals this year ;D
So if we make the finals then, the coach will be proven successful and Cameron a confirmed good operator? ::)
No, Cameron will still be a worthless sack of rubbish and Hardwick will have proved he is capable of coaching a side to finals (might still be a dud though like Ratten). Why are you swinging from Helmut's nuts like a monkey?
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You are probably right. Stability doesn't mean anything when you have a confirmed spud in Cameron and an unproven coach. There should be riots if we don't make finals this year ;D
So if we make the finals then, the coach will be proven successful and Cameron a confirmed good operator? ::)
No, Cameron will still be a worthless sack of rubbish and Hardwick will have proved he is capable of coaching a side to finals (might still be a dud though like Ratten). Why are you swinging from Helmut's nuts like a monkey?
:lol
Reckon not all the criticism is warranted, that's all. Bit like FJ. Some yeah, but the whole club is going through change and growth, and none of them are getting it all right as they learn and adapt.
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FJ has done alright. Made some mistakes but has a much better track record than Helmut ;) ;D
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:rollin
Luv that avatar Coach!
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get Matty Rendell
See Rendell's at C'wood now ;D
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3 mid-fielders thanks :)
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cameron said best available when asked the question.
He also left open the option of going for type with any one of these 2nd round picks but the final decision on that would be left to Francis Jackson.
hmm francis jacksons picks after the first rnd leave a lot to be desired.
post is the latest 2nd rnd pick of his to be cut.
while i think both cameron and jackson have improved recruiting and list management to a degree they have both had more than 5 yrs and if i had to asses their performances over all id struggle to give either a pass mark.
we can always do better and imo we need to do better in these areas. im looking for a little more than adequacey at best in these areas.
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Kevin 'Shifter' Sheehan has listed his top 30 in alphabetical order.
Tim Broomhead Tom Clurey Aidan Corr Joe Daniher Dayle Garlett
Taylor Garner Nick Graham Brodie Grundy Nathan Hrovat Kristian Jaksch
Ben Kennedy Jesse Lonergan Jackson Macrae Sam Mayes Liam McBean
Tim Membrey Troy Menzel Tim O’Brien Jonathan O’Rourke Lachie Plowman
Josh Simpson Jake Stringer Jimmy Toumpas Jackson Thurlow Jack Viney
Nick Vlastuin Lachie Whitfield Oliver Wines Mason Wood Nathan Wright
http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/2012/shifters-top-30-2012.pdf
Going by the phantom drafts around the net, Jackson Thurlow and Mason Wood are surprise top 30 inclusions while Mason Shaw, Sam Colquhoun and Tanner Smith are not named in Shifter's list.
Altogether you'd presume it's a strong chance that our picks 32 & 34 will be used on the lower ranked kids from this list who slip to the 2nd round.
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cameron said best available when asked the question.
He also left open the option of going for type with any one of these 2nd round picks but the final decision on that would be left to Francis Jackson.
hmm francis jacksons picks after the first rnd leave a lot to be desired.
post is the latest 2nd rnd pick of his to be cut.
while i think both cameron and jackson have improved recruiting and list management to a degree they have both had more than 5 yrs and if i had to asses their performances over all id struggle to give either a pass mark.
we can always do better and imo we need to do better in these areas. im looking for a little more than adequacey at best in these areas.
Given that when FJ took over the role in 2006 the RFC had zero data and zero metrics I don't believe that you can judge FJ for another 5 years or so. If anything the past 6 years are only building the baseline from which you can start making the correct choices. Much of what Hartley and FJ have done in the past few years is purely defining the measurements, coding points, key stats, KPIs that need to be measured and determine a player's position. In a recent interview FJ discussed tracking kids for 3 and 4 years before drafting them.
Well that means any picks before 2010 don't have enough qualitative data, within the RFC, to have been properly evaluated. The depth and level of the science involved nowadays is quite staggering.
So the fault is not with CC and FJ but with the legacy they inherited that was so poor. If anything CC should get credit for identifying the issue and building the right structure and team to a) collect all the relevant data, b) build the correct IP (and it would appear that the RFC has some solid IP - Maric, Houli and Grigg say hello) and c) utilise the data and IP to make better draft choices.
Four years of research prior to drafting plus 3 years of being in an AFL system before you can be judged would indicate 7 years minimum before you can fully judge a recruiting team. Given that when FJ walked in he found a few envelopes with scrawls on the back. the sum total of the RFC's data and IP in 2005.
Oooh and some videos of JON.
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You cannot tell me that any picks they made prior to 2010 can't be judged because they didn't have all those things you have talked about here and in other posts. These blokes are meant to be professionals and they should know good, young talent when they see it. FJ and others should get credit for their good picks prior to '10 and they should also got judged on their poor choices
"defining the measurements, coding points, key stats, KPIs that need to be measured and determine a player's position."
Maybe I'm old fashioned but it all sounds like a bit of a wank to me. You've talked about that player points rating thing they have in previous posts and it's got me stuffed how you could rate a player based on that. Jake King would surely score poorly. Addam Maric may be ranked better. Whatever happened to watching the kids play and coming to a decision on who you will target after watching them and analyzing them over a long period of time? I can tell you that Richmond sure as hell weren't in Tassie every weekend watching Jeromey Webberley play in 2009. Because if they were then he would have still been running around at Clarence refusing to go near his opponent for the last 3 years.
What do you do if your research and data etc says Stephen Hill is better than Michael Hurley? I know who I would be picking and no stat or any kind of research would make me think otherwise. That's just from watching both guys very closely. Not sure what my point has even become now, I dunno. I think I'd just be expecting a well paid recruiter (who obviously must know his stuff) to still be able to make good decisions after watching these young guys play for such a long time. His picks prior to 2010 are fair game for everyone to judge, IMO
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claw was challenging their later pick ability. I reckon the metric's are key to getting the later picks right. That was the point I was addressing. I should have been clearer.
I agree for the top 15/20 (S Hill and Hurley) you don't need that level of detail. It was blatantly obvious you didn't need it for Cotch.
It's a bit of the Moneyball analysis that gets the "gems" later in the draft or via trade or Free Agency. The stuff that the Swans and Cats seem to have above others. But they've been doing bits of this since the mid-90's. 10 extra years of data, expertise and knowledge. And look how long their recruiter's have been there.
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the thing that we have started taking into account more recently is the character of the kids we draft. The emphasis on kids that have a drive to succeed and are competive by nature is a quantam leap for this club, but one that really is common sense and should have been in place for years
If this had been in place when Post was drafted, i highly doubt he would have been. He did have raw talent, but lacked intensity on the field. If there is any truth to the talk that he will now go back and play with his mates playing park footy, then that basicaly sums up why he never cut the mustard.
All the talent in the world is useless if you don't have the drive and desire to succeed.
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If he doesn't get picked up then where should he play? VFL for 200 bucks a game?
And how did Troy Taylor, Dan Connors, Dean Mcdonald, Heslin etc go on these character tests...
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If he wanted to play AFL footy, then yeah, the state leagues are where you go to try to earn a second chance. But the talk was not about what he would do if he didnt get picked up, but if he got delisted. IF that is true, it shows no real desire to play AFL. Im pretty sure i read somewhere that he took a bit of convincing to even try and make a career out of footy.
Connors was recruited before this came into play, and the elements of character I specifically mentioned were competitiveness and drive to succeed.
Taylor and mcdonald were abysmal failures. Late picks with talent but not the drive, which is probably why they were late picks. It will be intersting to see how they handle late picks like that in the future. talented kids with ? on their attitude, kids with good attitude but are average footballers, or mature age blokes doing OK at state level?
Heslin, well its hard to predict if someone will get homesick when you take them half way around the world, but again its a international rookie pick , which is slightly different to a first round national draft pick.
You don't agree that a drive to succeed and competive nature are elements that increase the chances of a kid becoming a good AFL footballer?
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You cannot tell me that any picks they made prior to 2010 can't be judged because they didn't have all those things you have talked about here and in other posts. These blokes are meant to be professionals and they should know good, young talent when they see it. FJ and others should get credit for their good picks prior to '10 and they should also got judged on their poor choices
"defining the measurements, coding points, key stats, KPIs that need to be measured and determine a player's position."
Maybe I'm old fashioned but it all sounds like a bit of a wank to me. You've talked about that player points rating thing they have in previous posts and it's got me stuffed how you could rate a player based on that. Jake King would surely score poorly. Addam Maric may be ranked better. Whatever happened to watching the kids play and coming to a decision on who you will target after watching them and analyzing them over a long period of time? I can tell you that Richmond sure as hell weren't in Tassie every weekend watching Jeromey Webberley play in 2009. Because if they were then he would have still been running around at Clarence refusing to go near his opponent for the last 3 years.
What do you do if your research and data etc says Stephen Hill is better than Michael Hurley? I know who I would be picking and no stat or any kind of research would make me think otherwise. That's just from watching both guys very closely. Not sure what my point has even become now, I dunno. I think I'd just be expecting a well paid recruiter (who obviously must know his stuff) to still be able to make good decisions after watching these young guys play for such a long time. His picks prior to 2010 are fair game for everyone to judge, IMO
Top post Coach. :thumbsup
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Interesting to see if we try and snap up Ben Jacobs with 34.
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If he wanted to play AFL footy, then yeah, the state leagues are where you go to try to earn a second chance. But the talk was not about what he would do if he didnt get picked up, but if he got delisted. IF that is true, it shows no real desire to play AFL. Im pretty sure i read somewhere that he took a bit of convincing to even try and make a career out of footy.
Connors was recruited before this came into play, and the elements of character I specifically mentioned were competitiveness and drive to succeed.
Taylor and mcdonald were abysmal failures. Late picks with talent but not the drive, which is probably why they were late picks. It will be intersting to see how they handle late picks like that in the future. talented kids with ? on their attitude, kids with good attitude but are average footballers, or mature age blokes doing OK at state level?
Heslin, well its hard to predict if someone will get homesick when you take them half way around the world, but again its a international rookie pick , which is slightly different to a first round national draft pick.
You don't agree that a drive to succeed and competive nature are elements that increase the chances of a kid becoming a good AFL footballer?
All that poo with Post is just hearsay really. If he nominates for the draft and doesn't get picked up then that's the end of his career. May as well go and play football where you enjoy it.
I don't even know what a competitive nature is. Hardwick said that Chaplin has a competitive nature, so maybe it's not a good thing to have? But yeah, having drive to succeed would be ideal in a draftee.
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Taylor and mcdonald were abysmal failures. Late picks with talent but not the drive, which is probably why they were late picks. It will be intersting to see how they handle late picks like that in the future. talented kids with ? on their attitude, kids with good attitude but are average footballers, or mature age blokes doing OK at state level
Or just upgrade our picks so we don't have late picks. :pray
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Interesting to see if we try and snap up Ben Jacobs with 34.
Personally I rate the kid and reckon he'll be gone before pick 34. Was taken with pick 16 in the 2010 draft and quite possible stagnated (had glandula fever too) at PA. I'd like to see our defensive coaches weave their magic on him, then throw him in the midfield to support Cotch, Lids, Tuck etc.
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Interesting to see if we try and snap up Ben Jacobs with 34.
Personally I rate the kid and reckon he'll be gone before pick 34. Was taken with pick 16 in the 2010 draft and quite possible stagnated (had glandula fever too) at PA. I'd like to see our defensive coaches weave their magic on him, then throw him in the midfield to support Cotch, Lids, Tuck etc.
Agree totally. From all accounts the draft drops off after the first round and BJ, in the right environment, will be a good depth midfielder IMO.
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Hope Richmond draft Jesse Lonergan!
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Lonergan won't be around by the time of our second pick.
Anyway the AFL draft machine fan mock draft has the following names going to our three 2nd round picks....
32. Daniel Currie (ruckman, North Adelaide)
34. Matthew Dick (utility/defender, Calder Cannons)
43. Jackson Thurlow (medium defender, Launceston)
The full mock draft which has almost 140 names plus bio and video of each kid is here: http://draftmachine.afl.com.au/
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Lonergan won't be around by the time of our second pick.
Anyway the AFL draft machine fan mock draft has the following names going to our three 2nd round picks....
32. Daniel Currie (ruckman, North Adelaide)
34. Matthew Dick (utility/defender, Calder Cannons)
43. Jackson Thurlow (medium defender, Launceston)
The full mock draft which has almost 140 names plus bio and video of each kid is here: http://draftmachine.afl.com.au/
If we draft either of those 3 with those picks I will spew!! Currie with 43 maybe but he other 2 should go very late in the draft if not rookies at best!
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Thurlow will go top 60 at least. Has spoken to several clubs
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Thurlow will go top 60 at least. Has spoken to several clubs
Yep, 50 to 70 at best..... ;)
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claw was challenging their later pick ability. I reckon the metric's are key to getting the later picks right. That was the point I was addressing. I should have been clearer.
I agree for the top 15/20 (S Hill and Hurley) you don't need that level of detail. It was blatantly obvious you didn't need it for Cotch.
It's a bit of the Moneyball analysis that gets the "gems" later in the draft or via trade or Free Agency. The stuff that the Swans and Cats seem to have above others. But they've been doing bits of this since the mid-90's. 10 extra years of data, expertise and knowledge. And look how long their recruiter's have been there.
was i? i was challenging their ability to first properly manage the list and secondly use top 50 picks ie 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks effectively. geez i can not only question 2nd and 3rd rnd picks but 1st rounders as well.
and i disagree with you i think from 05 to 09 they can be judged its too early to call after.
i can categorically say i know many rank amateurs who have better records than these two with no resources but their own time.
while resources may have been limiited to them compared to some other clubs they have far more than those amateurs i know.
well funded or not as pros they should be doing better with those picks. if a good pecentage of 2nd 3rd rounders dont come thru from 09 onwards we will remain mired in mediocrity.
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Thurlow will go top 60 at least. Has spoken to several clubs
Can play. Not sure we are the best fit for him though.
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9
Nick Vlastuin
Richmond
Northern Knights
32
Nick Graham
Richmond
Gippsland Power
34
Matthew Dick
Richmond
Calder Cannons
43
Louis Herbert
Richmond
North Ballarat Rebels
74
Tim Sumner
Richmond
Woodville West Torrens
92
Brandon Jack
Richmond
Pennant Hills
110
Nathan Wright
Richmond
Dandenong Stingrays
128
Leigh Kitchin
Richmond
Frankston
That's the Mock Draft on afl.com.au now!
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Eight selections? It's very mock indeed
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The AFL draft machine mock draft now has.
32. Nick Graham
34. Nathan Hrovat
43. Matthew Dick
http://draftmachine.afl.com.au/
A lot of people would be happy if the draft went like that.
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The AFL draft machine mock draft now has.
32. Nick Graham
34. Nathan Hrovat
43. Matthew Dick
http://draftmachine.afl.com.au/
A lot of people would be happy if the draft went like that.
They would be 3 good gets with those picks :thumbsup I would like to see us pick up McBean with 43 if he's still available.....
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Just don't want Richmond selecting under 180cm players!
Continue drafting big bodied players!
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Just don't want Richmond selecting under 180cm players!
Continue drafting big bodied players!
I agree as I believe we need to add more midsize-to-tall midfielders. We'll eventually need to replace Tucky and of course we want someone much better to replace Jacko.
In saying that though a sub-180cm player would be still be okay on the proviso they had sublime/elite skills, pace and footy brains (a la Cyril Rioli). The problem in the past is we haven't found anyone meeting even close to that criteria and of those sub-180cm players we have drafted, most haven't weighed much more than a wet teatowel in any case.
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Thurlow will go top 60 at least. Has spoken to several clubs
Can play. Not sure we are the best fit for him though.
I would take him with pick 32 or 34.
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Tim O'Brien expected to be a top 20-25 selection now so that will push others down the draft order and into the second round.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150930/default.aspx
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cameron said best available when asked the question.
He also left open the option of going for type with any one of these 2nd round picks but the final decision on that would be left to Francis Jackson.
hmm francis jacksons picks after the first rnd leave a lot to be desired.
post is the latest 2nd rnd pick of his to be cut.
while i think both cameron and jackson have improved recruiting and list management to a degree they have both had more than 5 yrs and if i had to asses their performances over all id struggle to give either a pass mark.
we can always do better and imo we need to do better in these areas. im looking for a little more than adequacey at best in these areas.
Given that when FJ took over the role in 2006 the RFC had zero data and zero metrics I don't believe that you can judge FJ for another 5 years or so. If anything the past 6 years are only building the baseline from which you can start making the correct choices. Much of what Hartley and FJ have done in the past few years is purely defining the measurements, coding points, key stats, KPIs that need to be measured and determine a player's position. In a recent interview FJ discussed tracking kids for 3 and 4 years before drafting them.
Well that means any picks before 2010 don't have enough qualitative data, within the RFC, to have been properly evaluated. The depth and level of the science involved nowadays is quite staggering.
So the fault is not with CC and FJ but with the legacy they inherited that was so poor. If anything CC should get credit for identifying the issue and building the right structure and team to a) collect all the relevant data, b) build the correct IP (and it would appear that the RFC has some solid IP - Maric, Houli and Grigg say hello) and c) utilise the data and IP to make better draft choices.
Four years of research prior to drafting plus 3 years of being in an AFL system before you can be judged would indicate 7 years minimum before you can fully judge a recruiting team. Given that when FJ walked in he found a few envelopes with scrawls on the back. the sum total of the RFC's data and IP in 2005.
Oooh and some videos of JON.
If they didn't have enough quantitive data then Cameron should have brought in an experienced recruiter with the data above FJ immediately.
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Clubs own the IP. Pretty hard to take data that you're not allowed to take. Remember the DH PC/presentation fiasco at Essendon.
You can bring the residual knowledge and the practises but the data would be off limits.
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Clubs own the IP. Pretty hard to take data that you're not allowed to take. Remember the DH PC/presentation fiasco at Essendon.
You can bring the residual knowledge and the practises but the data would be off limits.
Pretty hard to take the data? :lol
Any recruiter worth their salt always has their own data running parallel to the work they do at a club so they don't have to start from scratch every time they move clubs.
Either way, just the residual knowledge and the practises, and the proven track record would have been of immediate benefit to the club and expidited our list management decisions. Cameron has persisted with an inexperienced and unproven recruiter. Or does Cameron consider himself the experienced proven guy bringing his systems from Melbourne? I hope not.
Fact is there is not a single proven employee in the entire list management/recruiting department. Bit of a fail even if we eventually get where we want to go.
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Hartley not proven ???
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HK, HK, HK, triple question marks? Get with the times man, use :gobdrop
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Hartley not proven ???
Not even close
Good to see you keeping up the 100% RFC ball sucking record since internet forums were invented
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TIGER BEASTS
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Pretty funny reading about FJ gathering all this data.
A point I've made before about picking JON over Hurn is the rejection of relevant data.
In 2005 even as a part-timer one would have thought you'd particularly take note: Hurn - AIS, SA (capt), AA, 2 SANFL premierships. v JON - WA.
In 2006 there's Connors who before drafting had been involved in a drunken assault resulting in a brain-damaged person.
In 2007, after delisting Peterson for a poor attitude and drink problems, we recruit Collard after he is delisted by Port for the same reasons.
Add to those the recruiting of known failures like Morton, Sylvester, Cartledge and Howat not to mention McMahon.
In 2008 we double down with Hislop, Thomson and Cousins while ignoring Rockliff who was the goal-kicking midfield gun the first three were presented as.
In 2009 we continue by taking the troubled Taylor, Farmer and Nason. We continue to ignore known data by taking Webberley (a small HBF who won the Tassie B&F) over Barlow who was named in the VFL team of the Year twice, came second in the Liston and won the best under 23yo. We complete our picks by taking the known long-shots of Roberts, Westhoff and Polak.
In 2010 we take MacDonald, Gourdis (again), Jakobi, Miller and Hislop. The only surprise was that Miller was better than expected.
In all these cases the information was known. It could be found by any interested person with an internet connection. It was ignored.
It does not matter how much or how good your data is if you continue to ignore it.
Of course the most important rule when it comes to any data is the old one - "Garbage in, garbage out".
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Webberley didn't even win the Tassie medal. ;D
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Brett Anderson of Inside Football mentions some whispers between our first and 2nd round picks. It might give us a bit of a clue as to who will still be available at 32 & 34.
A few more #AFLDraft whispers:
Hawks have an interest in Liam McBean at pick 29, Matthew Dick is on Cats radar & the Dees like Sean Gregory.
Suns will have an interesting choice at pick 13. It will be between Aidan Corr, Jesse Lonergan and Josh Simpson. Corr is my tip.
Pies like Garner, Stringer, Simpson, O'Brien, Clurey. No link with Garlett as far as I know.
[Stringer] Its looking likely that he may be the Blues pick [#11].
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Brett Anderson of Inside Football mentions some whispers between our first and 2nd round picks. It might give us a bit of a clue as to who will still be available at 32 & 34.
A few more #AFLDraft whispers:
Hawks have an interest in Liam McBean at pick 29, Matthew Dick is on Cats radar & the Dees like Sean Gregory.
Suns will have an interesting choice at pick 13. It will be between Aidan Corr, Jesse Lonergan and Josh Simpson. Corr is my tip.
Pies like Garner, Stringer, Simpson, O'Brien, Clurey. No link with Garlett as far as I know.
[Stringer] Its looking likely that he may be the Blues pick [#11].
Will definitely be some very very solid players to take at 32 and 34 if McBean, Dick, Gregory and Corr are all taken prior to 30. Makes me think that Kennedy/Hrovat/Colquhuon could slip down the order . . . wishful thinking I suppose?
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I asked Brett about picks 32 and 34 and he just replied "Nathan Wright could be pick 32 they also like Rory Atkins."
Seems to be a few fans of both here on OER.
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I asked Brett about picks 32 and 34 and he just replied "Nathan Wright could be pick 32 they also like Rory Atkins."
Seems to be a few fans of both here on OER.
Yep MT Atkins sure looks the goods and well worth a later pick.
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No problems with Atkins with 32 or 34. :thumbsup
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I asked Brett about picks 32 and 34 and he just replied "Nathan Wright could be pick 32 they also like Rory Atkins."
Seems to be a few fans of both here on OER.
Good stuff. Wright and Atkins would be good pick ups. I think they'll both make good footballers. Can you get back on and ask him about pick 43. ;D
Brett also said Vlastuin at 9 is our man so we are looking at Vlastuin, Wright, Atkins and one other.
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Nathan Wright:
DOB: 07/10/94
Height: 183cm
Weight: 78kg
Club: Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
Video:
Match highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBZPS_Xideg
Articles:
Wright stuff ...(afl.com.au) (http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150629/default.aspx)
He's got the Wright moves .... (Pakenham news) (http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/news/pakenham/329/story/147194.html)
(http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/photos/gazette/week190_10//large/TACDanEast_84891_17_pgc6.jpg)
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Rory Atkins:
DOB: 12/07/1994
Height: 186cm
Weight: 80kg
Club: Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
Video highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkBvDT1jTlg
Articles:
Rory's story ...... (afl.com.au) (http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=149953)
Atkins claims top gong ...... (Herald-Sun) (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/localfooty/atkins-claims-top-gong/story-fn53khk2-1226498374463)
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/10/23/1226501/427472-atkins.jpg)
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Pretty funny reading about FJ gathering all this data.
A point I've made before about picking JON over Hurn is the rejection of relevant data.
In 2005 even as a part-timer one would have thought you'd particularly take note: Hurn - AIS, SA (capt), AA, 2 SANFL premierships. v JON - WA.
thats a very good overall post and very relevant to what has happened. the interesting bit above is jackson doesnt even acknowledge he had a role in 2005.
i know for a fact in 2005 pick 8 came down to varcoe or jon. miller wanted varcoe but we went with jackson and jon on draft day.
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thats a very good overall post and very relevant to what has happened. the interesting bit above is jackson doesnt even acknowledge he had a role in 2005.
i know for a fact in 2005 pick 8 came down to varcoe or jon. miller wanted varcoe but we went with jackson and jon on draft day.
I think you have that around the wrong way claw ;D
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thats a very good overall post and very relevant to what has happened. the interesting bit above is jackson doesnt even acknowledge he had a role in 2005.
i know for a fact in 2005 pick 8 came down to varcoe or jon. miller wanted varcoe but we went with jackson and jon on draft day.
I think you have that around the wrong way claw ;D
Correct. Greg Miller probably gave him the info though so we can forgive him. :lol
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Brett Anderson on SEN tonight mentioned some interest from us in Aidan Corr in recent days.
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Brett Anderson on SEN tonight mentioned some interest from us in Aidan Corr in recent days.
Hopefully get him with our 2nd or 3rd round pick ...
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Essendon looking at Ben Jacobs at pick 35.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151197/default.aspx
Perhaps they now know Rory Atkins, who they were interested in, won't get past pick 34?
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Essendon looking at Ben Jacobs at pick 35.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151197/default.aspx
Perhaps they now know Rory Atkins, who they were interested in, won't get past pick 34?
:lol :clapping segit enod ti teG
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of one the better mids should slide to our 2nd pick...
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Pretty funny reading about FJ gathering all this data.
A point I've made before about picking JON over Hurn is the rejection of relevant data.
In 2005 even as a part-timer one would have thought you'd particularly take note: Hurn - AIS, SA (capt), AA, 2 SANFL premierships. v JON - WA.
In 2006 there's Connors who before drafting had been involved in a drunken assault resulting in a brain-damaged person.
In 2007, after delisting Peterson for a poor attitude and drink problems, we recruit Collard after he is delisted by Port for the same reasons.
Add to those the recruiting of known failures like Morton, Sylvester, Cartledge and Howat not to mention McMahon.
In 2008 we double down with Hislop, Thomson and Cousins while ignoring Rockliff who was the goal-kicking midfield gun the first three were presented as.
In 2009 we continue by taking the troubled Taylor, Farmer and Nason. We continue to ignore known data by taking Webberley (a small HBF who won the Tassie B&F) over Barlow who was named in the VFL team of the Year twice, came second in the Liston and won the best under 23yo. We complete our picks by taking the known long-shots of Roberts, Westhoff and Polak.
In 2010 we take MacDonald, Gourdis (again), Jakobi, Miller and Hislop. The only surprise was that Miller was better than expected.
In all these cases the information was known. It could be found by any interested person with an internet connection. It was ignored.
It does not matter how much or how good your data is if you continue to ignore it.
Of course the most important rule when it comes to any data is the old one - "Garbage in, garbage out".
Great Post :thumbsup...but you left out that Mitch Clarke was the next taken after JON......... :banghead :banghead - to infinity........
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Emma Quayle on who we are linked to with our second round picks ....
Richmond
Jackson Thurlow is another the club has been tied to. Thurlow, a tall running defender from Launceston, may reach them at pick 32. The Tigers are planning to take four picks and have been looking at Orren Stephenson. He'd provide immediate, senior back-up in the ruck, although Vickery can obviously play in the ruck and Elton is developing as a ruck/forward. Busy onballer Tim McGenniss, Dandenong's best-and-fairest this year, is one the Tigers could try to grab in the 30s.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/emma-quayles-clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2012-national-draft-20121116-29hnj.html#ixzz2CPD3NpMd
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Aidan Corr would be hard to pass up if available. He reminds me of Dylan Grimes:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151058/default.aspx
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Emma Quayle on who we are linked to with our second round picks ....
Richmond
Jackson Thurlow is another the club has been tied to. Thurlow, a tall running defender from Launceston, may reach them at pick 32. The Tigers are planning to take four picks and have been looking at Orren Stephenson. He'd provide immediate, senior back-up in the ruck, although Vickery can obviously play in the ruck and Elton is developing as a ruck/forward. Busy onballer Tim McGenniss, Dandenong's best-and-fairest this year, is one the Tigers could try to grab in the 30s.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/emma-quayles-clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2012-national-draft-20121116-29hnj.html#ixzz2CPD3NpMd
Hoping a too 20 or 25 player will slide.
It really is rubbish melb and melb will participate in this draft
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It really is rubbish melb and melb will participate in this draft
I can see you're pretty adamant Melbourne shouldn't be in the draft. ;D
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Does anyone think Melbourne should be in this draft?
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One of my co-presenters at Bound for Glory wrote up this pretty detailed phantom draft. Hope you guys enjoy. (See if you can guess what team the writer supports)
http://boundforglorynews.com/2012-afl-phantom-draft/
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Any of macrae stringer orouke menzel.sound OK.
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What is Stringer's injury concern?
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What is Stringer's injury concern?
Badly broken leg
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What is Stringer's injury concern?
How long ago and didn't he play this year for Bendigo Gold in the VFL?
I would take him at Number 9!
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What is Stringer's injury concern?
How long ago and didn't he play this year for Bendigo Gold in the VFL?
I would take him at Number 9!
18 months ago & yes played 3 I think in VFL
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What is Stringer's injury concern?
How long ago and didn't he play this year for Bendigo Gold in the VFL?
I would take him at Number 9!
18 months ago & yes played 3 I think in VFL
Didn't know an eighteen year old could play VFL and TAC Cup at the same time.
I would take Stringer and slot him in the midfield!
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he had a badly broken leg that took him a long time to recover from. he supposedly still has a limp and until recently could not kick with his left because it hurt.
There are also concerns over his attitude. FIGJAM possibly sums it. supposedly not backwards in giving teammates a spray and plays selfish for the glory.
If this is correct then a big pass on him.
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he had a badly broken leg that took him a long time to recover from. he supposedly still has a limp and until recently could not kick with his left because it hurt.
There are also concerns over his attitude. FIGJAM possibly sums it. supposedly not backwards in giving teammates a spray and plays selfish for the glory.
If this is correct then a big pass on him.
too much risk, i agree pass. On talent alone hes top 2, but we cant afford to stuff up and not get a potential 200 game player with our first pick.
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Didn't know an eighteen year old could play VFL and TAC Cup at the same time.
Yep they can it's called the "23rd" man rule. It was introduced in 2011
VFL clubs can play 23 players in a game as long as the 23rd man is TAC cup player. Think there is a limit on how many times a player can play and how many times a club can use the 23rd man during the course of the season. It has been mainly used by VFL clubs in an alignment situation when recruiters make the request to see how the under 18 player goes against bigger bodies
Don't think the RFC will be allowed to use it in 2014 as the rule only applies to VFL sides not stand alone AFL teams in the VFL but not 100% sure on that
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he had a badly broken leg that took him a long time to recover from. he supposedly still has a limp and until recently could not kick with his left because it hurt.
There are also concerns over his attitude. FIGJAM possibly sums it. supposedly not backwards in giving teammates a spray and plays selfish for the glory.
If this is correct then a big pass on him.
glad you said supposedly. theres nothing wrong with his attitude and hes very much a team player. besides give me figjam like buddy darling etc on the ground rather than introverted like post.the best players have that arrogance and swagger. every time ive heard him speak in an interview he seems to be well spoken down to earth and easy going.
why is it we look for reasons to put players down. i can understand not wanting him because of the injury and the percieved risk that he may not get back his athleticism because of it.
but to bring his character into it i dont get. hes probably well in front of where he should be after such an injury which says his attitude and desire to succeed is very good.
the fact he can play pretty decent footy and his left still affects him tells me more about the upside than the negative.
the only question i ask about this kid is will he get back his full use in his leg and his athleticism and fitness over the next couple of seasons. every indicator says yes hes made fantastic inroads to this point.
you should get some vision on him the way he feeds the ball out he doesnt take on players unselfishley he seems to pick the right time to take players on is dustin martin selfish taking on players all the time. you want these big bodies taking it on anyway.
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Nick Newman, another Stingray has been spoken to by a number of clubs including Essendon, Collingwood, Richmond and Brisbane.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-afl-draft-rumors.980842/page-4#post-26434953
NICK NEWMAN
Born: 15/01/1993
Height: 186cm
Weight: 76kg
From: Mornington
Club: Dandenong Stingrays
(http://www-static2.spulsecdn.net/pics/00/01/83/46/1834683_1_M.jpg)
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?client=1-3020-111722-0-0&sID=77120&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=19363707
TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=194656018&client=1-3020-111722-206344-16804359
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Tim McGenniss - I know Richmond & Port have spoken to him at some stage, not sure he will be taken though. I must confess I dont no him personly but I no his family so im a little bias and want him to be drafted, but the couple of times Ive seen him play this year I've been super impressed with his leadership
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-afl-draft-rumors.980842/page-5#post-26437947
TIM MCGENNISS
Date of Birth: 18/01/1994
Height: 180cm
Weight: 76kg
Local Club: Frankston YCW
Club: Dandenong Stingrays
(http://www-static2.spulsecdn.net/pics/00/01/83/46/1834677_1_M.jpg)
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?client=1-3020-111722-0-0&sID=77120&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=19363686
TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=194656015&client=1-3020-111722-206344-16804359
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he had a badly broken leg that took him a long time to recover from. he supposedly still has a limp and until recently could not kick with his left because it hurt.
There are also concerns over his attitude. FIGJAM possibly sums it. supposedly not backwards in giving teammates a spray and plays selfish for the glory.
If this is correct then a big pass on him.
glad you said supposedly. theres nothing wrong with his attitude and hes very much a team player. besides give me figjam like buddy darling etc on the ground rather than introverted like post.the best players have that arrogance and swagger. every time ive heard him speak in an interview he seems to be well spoken down to earth and easy going.
why is it we look for reasons to put players down. i can understand not wanting him because of the injury and the percieved risk that he may not get back his athleticism because of it.
but to bring his character into it i dont get. hes probably well in front of where he should be after such an injury which says his attitude and desire to succeed is very good.
the fact he can play pretty decent footy and his left still affects him tells me more about the upside than the negative.
the only question i ask about this kid is will he get back his full use in his leg and his athleticism and fitness over the next couple of seasons. every indicator says yes hes made fantastic inroads to this point.
you should get some vision on him the way he feeds the ball out he doesnt take on players unselfishley he seems to pick the right time to take players on is dustin martin selfish taking on players all the time. you want these big bodies taking it on anyway.
Ive seen vision of him, and on his attitude i'm only going on what others who talk like they are in the know say. and we are not talking about taking player on, but ignoring players in a better position and trying to do the glory crap.
It paints a picture of a mitch thorpe type persona.
are you saying this not correct? ( I actually questioned you about this previously) and how have you gleaned your insight to his character?
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Emma Quayle said she has heard Thurlow is in the mix for our pick 32.
Jackson Thurlow
Hgt: 191cm
Wgt: 79kg
Club: Launceston
Position: defender
(http://www.themercury.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2012/10/02/Thurlow.jpg)
Articles:
Thurlow back in draft mix (http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/10/02/363013_afl.html)
Jackson Thurlow takes out Davidson Medal (http://www.tasmanianstateleague.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=1&Itemid=59)
Video highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGROQCn17JY
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he had a badly broken leg that took him a long time to recover from. he supposedly still has a limp and until recently could not kick with his left because it hurt.
There are also concerns over his attitude. FIGJAM possibly sums it. supposedly not backwards in giving teammates a spray and plays selfish for the glory.
If this is correct then a big pass on him.
why is it we look for reasons to put players down.
I had to step away from the computer for a second after reading that.
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Few days ago the Herald-Sun had 19yo 203cm 84g Darcy Fort from the Geelong Falcons, draft range 40 and above in the mix for the Tiges. Article said according to some astute judges was the best ruckman in the TAC by the end of the season.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-162#post-26443446
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he had a badly broken leg that took him a long time to recover from. he supposedly still has a limp and until recently could not kick with his left because it hurt.
There are also concerns over his attitude. FIGJAM possibly sums it. supposedly not backwards in giving teammates a spray and plays selfish for the glory.
If this is correct then a big pass on him.
why is it we look for reasons to put players down.
I had to step away from the computer for a second after reading that.
you cant tell the difference between a bloke like white whos had seven yrs and has exactly the same sort of poor performances and exactly the same weaknesses in his game after those 7 yrs you dont need to look for reasons with white they smack you in the face.
jake stringer is a18 yr old kid who is one of the best performers in the country against his fellow elite peers has all the attributes you can ask for and people are looking to find reasons why not to take him.
im sure hes done the odd sefish thing on the field but its not something that is happening every time he gets the ball. someones probably seen him have a shot at goal when a teammates in a better position and got into him for it and next thing you know hes a selfish player.ive seen enough of this kid to know its nonsense.
whats not to like about him as i said every interview ive seen hes spoken well hes well liked and he works damned hard on the track please tell me what part of his attitude sucks.
Edited to correct quote
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From BF:
Q. Have you heard about Richmond looking at Tim McGennis? Emma seems to think we're looking at him with one of our second rounders...
A. Those rumors are false. Kangaroos are the only club that have spoken to him and that was ages ago.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-afl-draft-rumors.980842/page-9#post-26447701
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If Liam McBean doesn't get picked up inside the first 30, he could be on the Tigers' radar at pick 43. With their three second-round picks the Tigers also like McBean's Calder Cannons teammate Rory Atkins, while Jason Ashby is in the gun around this mark as well.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151313/default.aspx
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From BF:
Q. Have you heard about Richmond looking at Tim McGennis? Emma seems to think we're looking at him with one of our second rounders...
A. Those rumors are false. Kangaroos are the only club that have spoken to him and that was ages ago.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-afl-draft-rumors.980842/page-9#post-26447701
More replies to this:
A. Maybe so, but he laughed when he heard the rumors that the Tigers had spoken to him. He also doesn't reckon he'll get drafted and has already signed up to Frankston's VFL team for next year. You guys might still talk to him in the coming day or so but as I said, he couldn't believe it when he heard you guys were in to him.
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"Suns along with the Tiges have shown the most interest in overlooked Pies F/S prospect James Stewart. Looming as a late pick. "
"Sam Colquhoun's stocks soared after the Nationals but he looks like being a 35+ pick. Bombers & Swans have shown the most interest"
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Brett Anderson tonight saying Colquhoun is a 40+ pick. I wouldn't be complaining if we got him at pick 43.
Anderson though is still saying we (Richmond) and the Suns are interested in James Stewart who will go in the back half of the draft.
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Pick 31, 33 and 42 now.
Adelaide have withdrawn their pick 20 and 54!!
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Pick 31, 33 and 42 now.
Thank you Adelaide ;D
Interesting to see what difference that makes tomorrow night.
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Fingers crossded it lands us Lonergan with 31 :pray :pray
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can we just ask for 54 back after all we would have just given angus for 43 if we knew the poo would hit the fan.
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Can we have 20 too seems they won't be using it.
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Emma Quayle has us interested in Spencer White at pick 34.
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Pick 31, 33 and 42 now.
Adelaide have withdrawn their pick 20 and 54!!
What :huh
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Emma Quayle has us interested in Spencer White at pick 34.
could be anything this kid
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Sam Landsberger @SamLandsberger twitter:
"They [Richmond] like Nathan Wright and Rory Atkins with picks in the 30s."
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Apparently had a late night meeting with Shane Nelson.
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Apparently had a late night meeting with Shane Nelson.
Was Jackstar there :whistle :whistle