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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on October 12, 2012, 08:39:06 AM
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I think we have done well during the trade and free agency period however I do believe we should of targeted a ruckman as well. Even if we have the chance to get one now we should go for it. If Maric goes down next year we just don't have the coverage. If we were playing Freo without Maric we would get smashed in the ruck, Maric could only just compete against Sandilands last year, imagine what would happen if he weren't in the side.
I see this area as our only Achilles heal now, I really think we need to address it.....
Thoughts??
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We should try get some like zac Clarke as well as drafting a young ruckman next month while moving graham on
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We should try get some like zac Clarke as well as drafting a young ruckman next month while moving graham on
He would be a perfect fit, hasn't he re-signed though?
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Think we should make a play for Jacobs now!!
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I think we have done well during the trade and free agency period however I do believe we should of targeted a ruckman as well. Even if we have the chance to get one now we should go for it. If Maric goes down next year we just don't have the coverage. If we were playing Freo without Maric we would get smashed in the ruck, Maric could only just compete against Sandilands last year, imagine what would happen if he weren't in the side.
I see this area as our only Achilles heal now, I really think we need to address it.....
Thoughts??
You do know that Angus Graham is undefeated against Fremantle? Including a very solid 14 disposal, 6 marks and 1 goal game against them in 2011.
Also, I think it's safe to say maric got his pants pulled down when he went up against Sandi. He's not the first victim though.
Some will laugh but we cannot afford to let Goose leave unless we get someone like Stefan Martin as cover, but who wants to play twos all year?
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I think we have done well during the trade and free agency period however I do believe we should of targeted a ruckman as well. Even if we have the chance to get one now we should go for it. If Maric goes down next year we just don't have the coverage. If we were playing Freo without Maric we would get smashed in the ruck, Maric could only just compete against Sandilands last year, imagine what would happen if he weren't in the side.
I see this area as our only Achilles heal now, I really think we need to address it.....
Thoughts??
You do know that Angus Graham is undefeated against Fremantle? Including a very solid 14 disposal, 6 marks and 1 goal game against them in 2011.
Well CD lets hope he gets it together mate, but he will need to play all year..
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but who wants to play twos all year?
Key point.
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I think we have done well during the trade and free agency period however I do believe we should of targeted a ruckman as well. Even if we have the chance to get one now we should go for it. If Maric goes down next year we just don't have the coverage. If we were playing Freo without Maric we would get smashed in the ruck, Maric could only just compete against Sandilands last year, imagine what would happen if he weren't in the side.
I see this area as our only Achilles heal now, I really think we need to address it.....
Thoughts??
You do know that Angus Graham is undefeated against Fremantle? Including a very solid 14 disposal, 6 marks and 1 goal game against them in 2011.
Well CD lets hope he gets it together mate, but he will need to pay all year..
He is probably the best performed ruckman not playing regular AFL footy. If he wasn't on a list our supporters would probably look at his stats in the VFL and say "get this bloke as back up to Maric" ;D
Goose is capable of better footy. He showed that at a young age in 2010. Got far too comfortable though
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I think we have done well during the trade and free agency period however I do believe we should of targeted a ruckman as well. Even if we have the chance to get one now we should go for it. If Maric goes down next year we just don't have the coverage. If we were playing Freo without Maric we would get smashed in the ruck, Maric could only just compete against Sandilands last year, imagine what would happen if he weren't in the side.
I see this area as our only Achilles heal now, I really think we need to address it.....
Thoughts??
Don't be talking about Achilles heel, What about Tom Derickx, he played 2's all last year, is mobile, agile, tall and can kick, perhaps he is our RIW (Ruckman in waiting)
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Our Ruck stocks are ok.. but we need to pick-up a rookie in one of the drafts for future coverage.
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I think we have done well during the trade and free agency period however I do believe we should of targeted a ruckman as well. Even if we have the chance to get one now we should go for it. If Maric goes down next year we just don't have the coverage. If we were playing Freo without Maric we would get smashed in the ruck, Maric could only just compete against Sandilands last year, imagine what would happen if he weren't in the side.
I see this area as our only Achilles heal now, I really think we need to address it.....
Thoughts??
I think he should have stood on Sandis turf toe, mind you Sandis boots are as proportionate as Krusty The Clowns shoes.
That aside I think we have been very keen on getting a lot of young big units in then losing patience waiting for them to mature. We got it right last year identifying Ivan after another club couldn't see the gold. We just have to get another one from somewhere or be patient with our own stocks.
You do know that Angus Graham is undefeated against Fremantle? Including a very solid 14 disposal, 6 marks and 1 goal game against them in 2011.
Also, I think it's safe to say maric got his pants pulled down when he went up against Sandi. He's not the first victim though.
Some will laugh but we cannot afford to let Goose leave unless we get someone like Stefan Martin as cover, but who wants to play twos all year?
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Our Ruck stocks are ok.. but we need to pick-up a rookie in one of the drafts for future coverage.
Rookie Jesse White
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Think we should make a play for Jacobs now!!
Jacobs is not leaving Adelaide
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Our Ruck stocks are ok.. but we need to pick-up a rookie in one of the drafts for future coverage.
How?
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Daniel Currie......get it done Tigers :clapping
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Daniel Currie......get it done Tigers :clapping
What's his story TFT?
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Vickery back this year will help but if Ivan goes down we only have band aids to fix him. Gus con cover for one or two weeks but is not a long term fix. Of all the current ruckman available for trade this year I doubt that any would want to move to club where they again will be used only as depth.
Daniel Currie is a mature aged ruckman in the Giles mold, he was on Sydneys list for 4 seasons but was crueled with injury. He played a full season this year in the SANFL with North Adelaide and showed plenty of promis. A kid like this would certainly help with depth and could actualy develope into somthing half decent.
Aside from that we do need to take a kid in the draft this year for down the track, I don't think we can rely on topping up with other clubs discards for years to come.
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Vickery back this year will help but if Ivan goes down we only have band aids to fix him. Gus con cover for one or two weeks but is not a long term fix. Of all the current ruckman available for trade this year I doubt that any would want to move to club where they again will be used only as depth.
Daniel Currie is a mature aged ruckman in the Giles mold, he was on Sydneys list for 4 seasons but was crueled with injury. He played a full season this year in the SANFL with North Adelaide and showed plenty of promis. A kid like this would certainly help with depth and could actualy develope into somthing half decent.
Aside from that we do need to take a kid in the draft this year for down the track, I don't think we can rely on topping up with other clubs discards for years to come.
Yep, good post, I agree, do you know if we or another team are looking at Currie? Could end up another Morris type pickup.
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He is probably the best performed ruckman not playing regular AFL footy. If he wasn't on a list our supporters would probably look at his stats in the VFL and say "get this bloke as back up to Maric" ;D
Goose is capable of better footy. He showed that at a young age in 2010. Got far too comfortable though
There's a reason he's not playing regular AFL footy Coach - he's no good. The reason we don't say "get this bloke" is because we have seen him play and 'develop' over 6 long insufferable years to the current unacceptable standard he is at now. Looking at VFL stats you would also say "get Webberley, don't care what it costs" but we don't because we know with all our heart that senior AFL footy for him is 'one bridge too far'. And so it is with Gus. At 25 years old he should be smashing it out on the ground but he isn't - his best this year coming off good VFL form when given his first chance for the season was that abysmal effort vs Gold Coast. He is capable of producing what he currently produces and thats not even close to good enough for us if we have any sort of aspirations of playing finals and competing with the big boys. I can't fathom that some posters think our ruck stocks are ok - they soooo aren't - and we need to be chasing hard for a Graham or Derrickx replacement who is capable of stepping straight in and being competitive if the crap hits the blades. I would actually play 2 ruckmen anyway but that's a debate for another thread. And then recruiting a young ruckman to bring on as well.
Get Giles Tige's!
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He is probably the best performed ruckman not playing regular AFL footy. If he wasn't on a list our supporters would probably look at his stats in the VFL and say "get this bloke as back up to Maric" ;D
Goose is capable of better footy. He showed that at a young age in 2010. Got far too comfortable though
There's a reason he's not playing regular AFL footy Coach - he's no good. The reason we don't say "get this bloke" is because we have seen him play and 'develop' over 6 long insufferable years to the current unacceptable standard he is at now. Looking at VFL stats you would also say "get Webberley, don't care what it costs" but we don't because we know with all our heart that senior AFL footy for him is 'one bridge too far'. And so it is with Gus. At 25 years old he should be smashing it out on the ground but he isn't - his best this year coming off good VFL form when given his first chance for the season was that abysmal effort vs Gold Coast. He is capable of producing what he currently produces and thats not even close to good enough for us if we have any sort of aspirations of playing finals and competing with the big boys. I can't fathom that some posters think our ruck stocks are ok - they soooo aren't - and we need to be chasing hard for a Graham or Derrickx replacement who is capable of stepping straight in and being competitive if the crap hits the blades. I would actually play 2 ruckmen anyway but that's a debate for another thread. And then recruiting a young ruckman to bring on as well.
Get Giles Tige's!
Ouch....but true, unfortunate, but true.
Do we think the club are chasing a ruckman? Honestly if we can see it they must.
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We wouldn't be asking for Webberley because we dont need him. We want/need a decent back up ruckman and we have a reasonable back up ruckman. What we really need is someone who can play alongside Maric on game day because we can't play Graham in the same side as Ivan. Name a bloke not on an AFL list who would beat Graham? Gus smashed a poo load of blokes this year. stuff me, he got 70 hitouts in one game. The GC game was a hot, very humid game and that's a hard match to step into for your first AFL game of the season, especially for a bloke rucking on his own. He beat his man that day too but that never gets acknowledged. Graham is an average player but he is capable at the top level. I was a big critic of his but you only need to look at 2009 & 2010 to see he is at least a reasonable bloke to have for depth
Your man Cameron signed Gus for 3 years on good $, so if Gus goes then Cameron should follow him out the door.
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We wouldn't be asking for Webberley because we dont need him. We want/need a decent back up ruckman and we have a reasonable back up ruckman. What we really need is someone who can play alongside Maric on game day because we can't play Graham in the same side as Ivan. Name a bloke not on an AFL list who would beat Graham? Gus smashed a poo load of blokes this year. stuff me, he got 70 hitouts in one game. The GC game was a hot, very humid game and that's a hard match to step into for your first AFL game of the season, especially for a bloke rucking on his own. He beat his man that day too but that never gets acknowledged. Graham is an average player but he is capable at the top level. I was a big critic of his but you only need to look at 2009 & 2010 to see he is at least a reasonable bloke to have for depth
Your man Cameron signed Gus for 3 years on good $, so if Gus goes then Cameron should follow him out the door.
That's the thing Coach, he's not reasonable, he's sub-standard at that level. He was sub-standard for the 2 years that he played as our #1 ruckman but at the time most of us (and the club I'm sure) were much more forgiving of his age and potential to develop. It wasn't until Maric arrived on the scene that we had a decent measuring stick to judge Graham by and he came up well short. Look at how the midfield improved out of sight this year! I know that there other factors influencing that but a huge improvement in ruck competitiveness was a key reason and if we had to rely on Graham next season then we would suffer severely - he just hasn't improved. He couldn't force his way into the side from the start of the season because his faults that fail him big time at senior level were still evident at VFL level - he rarely hits to advantage, he's as soft as butter and he is useless around the ground. And then when he got his chance he performed woefully. The weather had no effect on his lack of effort, skills or output - I would agree on weather being a factor if he had run himself into the ground and was incapable of carrying on after 3/4 time but not playing like he did from the outset. Nope, no weather excuse there.
As far as Cameron goes signing him up for 3 years, I didn't agree with the term then but I was happy with 2 years because I thought (like many others) that he had a bit of potential to develop, especially being a big bloke. I'm thinking the footy dept saw more potential and took a bit more of a gamble that we could have a senior player for an extra season at a cheaper rate but hindsight is a wonderful thing and they got it wrong. There is no way the decision would have been Cameron's alone but he would have had some input and eventually been the one to sign the cheque. Missed it by a year - big deal - doesn't deserve the sack and is doing a good job of managing all things football at our club.
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Graham was good in 2010, that's why they signed him up after that year. That's why Simmonds retired during the season because Gus pushed him out. He's not soft. You must not have seen him at VFL level this year and if you think he is soft based on AFL games then please show me the evidence. His ruck work was very good for Coburg. Do they show VFL games up that way? ;D I have always said it, any ruckman at a high standard of footy needs to have some courage to play in the ruck. He's no Maric but I have never seen Graham duck his head. Graham is one of the best tackling ruckman in the league.
He didn't get a game because Maric is a gun. Nothing to do with form in the reserves. Graham was 1st emergency close to 15 times this year. They were pretty happy with what he was doing in the twos.
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Our Ruck stocks are ok.. but we need to pick-up a rookie in one of the drafts for future coverage.
How?
I suppose I should have given a context. "Our Ruck stocks are ok"...............in relation to what is available out there and our reluctance to sell the farm to get a gun (tradewise). Sydney effectively had 1 mediocre ruck and won the flag. We have Maric and Vicks on the ground with Tom D and Gus as back-ups if need be. Our KP stocks are ok too. We need depth in and pressure on the midfield group. I would however take McBean with 31 if he was available.
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Our Ruck stocks are ok.. but we need to pick-up a rookie in one of the drafts for future coverage.
How?
I suppose I should have given a context. "Our Ruck stocks are ok"...............in relation to what is available out there and our reluctance to sell the farm to get a gun (tradewise). Sydney effectively had 1 mediocre ruck and won the flag. We have Maric and Vicks on the ground with Tom D and Gus as back-ups if need be. Our KP stocks are ok too. We need depth in and pressure on the midfield group. I would however take McBean with 31 if he was available.
Exactly. An inform Vickery helping out Maric with Gus as backup is a decent set up.
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Graham was good in 2010, that's why they signed him up after that year. That's why Simmonds retired during the season because Gus pushed him out. He's not soft. You must not have seen him at VFL level this year and if you think he is soft based on AFL games then please show me the evidence. His ruck work was very good for Coburg. Do they show VFL games up that way? ;D I have always said it, any ruckman at a high standard of footy needs to have some courage to play in the ruck. He's no Maric but I have never seen Graham duck his head. Graham is one of the best tackling ruckman in the league.
He didn't get a game because Maric is a gun. Nothing to do with form in the reserves. Graham was 1st emergency close to 15 times this year. They were pretty happy with what he was doing in the twos.
Coach I agree with you in relation to Gus not being as bad as is the common perception....but he is soft. That has been his Achilles heel from the time he was physically dominated in a VFL final several years ago by a smaller Ruckman (can't remember his name or team)who bashed in to him all day at Port Oval and showed up this weakness. That day he dropped several marks he should have taken and adopted the 'run-around the circle' centre square tap style that has haunted him since
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Exactly. An inform Vickery helping out Maric with Gus as backup is a decent set up.
Won't get us to the finals if Maric goes down so it's not good enough imho.
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Exactly. An inform Vickery helping out Maric with Gus as backup is a decent set up.
Won't get us to the finals if Maric goes down so it's not good enough imho.
If Vickery & Graham couldn't play finals for Richmond without Ivan then we shouldn't be in finals contention. The bloke you guys should be worrying about is Trent Cotchin...if he gets injured then we start worrying. We should make finals with or without Maric next year. Obviously it would be hard but a Vickery/Graham (Graham playing with his 2010 intensity) should be able to hold up. Look at our midfielders, they should be getting the job done even if we brought back drink driving Royce to do the ruck work.
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Exactly. An inform Vickery helping out Maric with Gus as backup is a decent set up.
Won't get us to the finals if Maric goes down so it's not good enough imho.
Mike Pike did well for the Swans and I would back Vicks or a non-shirking Gus against him every day of the week.
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Maric was outstanding last year and luckily played most games last year. He carried an injury for the large part. The one game he didn't play we were not competitive in the ruck at all. Graham's performance against the suns was not upto AFL standards. We need a quality back up ruckman. Whilst Vickery could be that back up ruckman I would rather he stay in the forwardline where on form he provides a good second tall option. His kicking for goal is a real asset of his. Sadly I don't think Graham or Derrickx are upto the necessary standard and if we are to be a genuine finals contender we need a quality back up ruckman
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Maric was outstanding last year and luckily played most games last year. He carried an injury for the large part. The one game he didn't play we were not competitive in the ruck at all. Graham's performance against the suns was not upto AFL standards. We need a quality back up ruckman. Whilst Vickery could be that back up ruckman I would rather he stay in the forwardline where on form he provides a good second tall option. His kicking for goal is a real asset of his. Sadly I don't think Graham or Derrickx are upto the necessary standard and if we are to be a genuine finals contender we need a quality back up ruckman
Tell me more about Zac Smiths game that day. 7 hitouts and we were the ones not competitive in the ruck? Why did Graham get B&F votes for that game? Obviously the MC were content considering he was EMG the week after too.
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Exactly. An inform Vickery helping out Maric with Gus as backup is a decent set up.
Won't get us to the finals if Maric goes down so it's not good enough imho.
If Vickery & Graham couldn't play finals for Richmond without Ivan then we shouldn't be in finals contention. The bloke you guys should be worrying about is Trent Cotchin...if he gets injured then we start worrying. We should make finals with or without Maric next year. Obviously it would be hard but a Vickery/Graham (Graham playing with his 2010 intensity) should be able to hold up. Look at our midfielders, they should be getting the job done even if we brought back drink driving Royce to do the ruck work.
We won't make finals if Vickery/Graham is our ruck combo, plain and simple. I reckon we can cover Cotch in the midfield easier than Maric in the ruck. Graham has been found wanting before and has no improvemenet left. The midfield apart from Tuck and Foley are all still babies and have heaps of improvement left in them.
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Graham is rubbish.
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Exactly. An inform Vickery helping out Maric with Gus as backup is a decent set up.
Won't get us to the finals if Maric goes down so it's not good enough imho.
If Vickery & Graham couldn't play finals for Richmond without Ivan then we shouldn't be in finals contention. The bloke you guys should be worrying about is Trent Cotchin...if he gets injured then we start worrying. We should make finals with or without Maric next year. Obviously it would be hard but a Vickery/Graham (Graham playing with his 2010 intensity) should be able to hold up. Look at our midfielders, they should be getting the job done even if we brought back drink driving Royce to do the ruck work.
We won't make finals if Vickery/Graham is our ruck combo, plain and simple. I reckon we can cover Cotch in the midfield easier than Maric in the ruck. Graham has been found wanting before and has no improvemenet left. The midfield apart from Tuck and Foley are all still babies and have heaps of improvement left in them.
Says who? Who rucked for St Kilda when they were playing finals under Grant Thomas? Vickery is a good ruckman. Cotchin cannot be replaced. He wins us games off his own bat. Deledio, Grigg, Jackson etc are not babies.
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Graham is not half as good as king or gardiner
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Graham is not half as good as king or gardiner
What are you on about? I'm talking about Grant Thomas/St Kilda, not West Coast and Geelong. Graham doesn't even have to be involved. Vickery can play ruck
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Just because CD likes Gumby it doesn't mean we have to like him.
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Just because CD likes Gumby it doesn't mean we have to like him.
No need for this crap. We trying to have a serious footy discussion here
Edit: quote edited
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Sorry, forgot goose is a touchy subject :shh
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Sorry, forgot goose is a touchy subject :shh
Not touchy at all, just having a good discussion with smokey.
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I think we have done well during the trade and free agency period however I do believe we should of targeted a ruckman as well. Even if we have the chance to get one now we should go for it. If Maric goes down next year we just don't have the coverage. If we were playing Freo without Maric we would get smashed in the ruck, Maric could only just compete against Sandilands last year, imagine what would happen if he weren't in the side.
I see this area as our only Achilles heal now, I really think we need to address it.....
Thoughts??
You do know that Angus Graham is undefeated against Fremantle? Including a very solid 14 disposal, 6 marks and 1 goal game against them in 2011.
Well CD lets hope he gets it together mate, but he will need to pay all year..
He is probably the best performed ruckman not playing regular AFL footy. If he wasn't on a list our supporters would probably look at his stats in the VFL and say "get this bloke as back up to Maric" ;D
Goose is capable of better footy. He showed that at a young age in 2010. Got far too comfortable though
And you would be the only one saying he is a potato.
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I think we have done well during the trade and free agency period however I do believe we should of targeted a ruckman as well. Even if we have the chance to get one now we should go for it. If Maric goes down next year we just don't have the coverage. If we were playing Freo without Maric we would get smashed in the ruck, Maric could only just compete against Sandilands last year, imagine what would happen if he weren't in the side.
I see this area as our only Achilles heal now, I really think we need to address it.....
Thoughts??
You do know that Angus Graham is undefeated against Fremantle? Including a very solid 14 disposal, 6 marks and 1 goal game against them in 2011.
Well CD lets hope he gets it together mate, but he will need to pay all year..
He is probably the best performed ruckman not playing regular AFL footy. If he wasn't on a list our supporters would probably look at his stats in the VFL and say "get this bloke as back up to Maric" ;D
Goose is capable of better footy. He showed that at a young age in 2010. Got far too comfortable though
And you would be the only one saying he is a potato.
:fishing
Too easy :lol eat another veggie chip :lol
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That's not fishing. That's just an easy and convenient way to justify your opinion.
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That's not fishing. That's just an easy and convenient way to justify your opinion.
Why is our resident vegetarian sooking?
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It's not sooking. It's trying to understand the hypocrisy on why CD can call others nuffers for opinions on players, especially opposition players we're recruiting, yet uses the same justification to make a case for players he likes.
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Is Graham actually a mate of yours or something? It's ok if he is.
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Is Graham actually a mate of yours or something? It's ok if he is.
Aww gee :lol Yeah, I know the family.
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It's not sooking. It's trying to understand the hypocrisy on why CD can call others nuffers for opinions on players, especially opposition players we're recruiting, yet uses the same justification to make a case for players he likes.
Who have I called a nuffer? Please don't make things up, it makes you look like a hole. And please don't have a good at me for calling blokes likes Lucas Cook duds, it makes you look like a hole
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You weren't supportive of recruiting Maric last year or those who were for it. Just like you said something like "if you nuffers watched a port game" in relation to Chaplin. I can't use the search function at the moment to find the exact post because it crashes my phone browser.
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You weren't supportive of recruiting Maric last year or those who were for it. Just like you said something like "if you nuffers watched a port game" in relation to Chaplin. I can't use the search function at the moment to find the exact post because it crashes my phone browser.
Never said anything like "if you nuffers watched a Port" game. I reckon I would have said something along these lines "If you blokes watched him at Port you might not think he's the gun stopper you're making him out to be". I wasn't supportive of giving Maric a 4 year contract. Didn't care if he came to Richmond or not, just not on a four year deal. Since you want to look back into history, go and read peoples thoughts on Maric. There were a lot of people who said he was a dud and I wasn't one of them, dude. I certainly wasn't convinced by him and I was far from believing he was a very good ruckman. Again, I wasn't on my own. It's a forum mate, look it up. The romans were big on them
You're a sook. Just because I have called you out on the immature BS some of you post (when some of us want to have a serious discussion like Smokey and I were) you decide to make up this rubbish. How about next time you grow some balls and call me out when I have an opinion that differs to your? You know, perhaps at the time of the post and not 12 months later? It's easy to be a hero in hindsight. I'm always happy to talk football.
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I just tried going page by page through the Chaplin thread to find it, but the long pages are crashing. Though on your advice to WAT concerning Chaplin "go watch the last game he played for Port," we'll the last game I saw Graham play for Richmond he was a cement footed buffoon and we lost to Gold Coast.
Immature blah blah. Pot, kettle, black.
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I just tried going page by page through the Chaplin thread to find it, but the long pages are crashing. Though on your advice to WAT concerning Chaplin "go watch the last game he played for Port," we'll the last game I saw Graham play for Richmond he was a cement footed buffoon and we lost to Gold Coast.
Immature blah blah. Pot, kettle, black.
Did I call WAT a nuffer? If not, what is wrong with my post? I don't have a high opinion of Chaplin. I've made that fairly clear one would think ;D
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I just tried going page by page through the Chaplin thread to find it, but the long pages are crashing. Though on your advice to WAT concerning Chaplin "go watch the last game he played for Port," we'll the last game I saw Graham play for Richmond he was a cement footed buffoon and we lost to Gold Coast.
Immature blah blah. Pot, kettle, black.
Did I call WAT a nuffer? If not, what is wrong with my post? I don't have a high opinion of Chaplin. I've made that fairly clear one would think ;D
There isn't anything wrong with it :cheers just wondering why those arguments can be used on some players but not others. For the record I'm not sold on Chaplin either, but curious and optimistic about the experience and chemistry he might add. I honestly don't know why you hold Graham in the regard you do. Eggs on the rest of our faces should he come good though.
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I don't hold Graham in high regard. You should read some of the things I have written about him in the past. I'm just willing to acknowledge that he's a solid bloke to have at your club as 3rd choice ruck. Not worth the $ he is on but then again he can't be blamed for that.
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I have read and that's why I said it. But if I've misinterpreted then I take it back. I agree with what you just said about him and would persevere if he were 2 or 3 years younger. I made a ruck thread during the season (can't search for it :() and said that I would like only 2-3 rucks on the senior list. They take a while to develop as the story goes, and I'd rather see a ready to go 18/19 year old mid in Gus' spot in the list with 1-2 ruck projects on the rookie list. If the number one ruck goes down for 1-3 weeks they're easily backed up by the second bloke. If the poo hits the fan they can always be moved to LTIL and the rookie ruck/s are easily accessible. IMO back up ruck stocks are list cloggers ie dwaino's view =Graham is a list clogger.
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I reckon we can cover Cotch in the midfield easier than Maric in the ruck.
Please, we couldn't even cover Foley
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Name a bloke not on an AFL list who would beat Graham?
Andrew Browne :shh
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Name a bloke not on an AFL list who would beat Graham?
Andrew Browne :shh
ooh you have got to be joking.
Browne!! is he even considered a ruckman?
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I don't hold Graham in high regard. You should read some of the things I have written about him in the past. I'm just willing to acknowledge that he's a solid bloke to have at your club as 3rd choice ruck. Not worth the $ he is on but then again he can't be blamed for that.
If we keep Graham then I would still prefer to have 1 other better ruckman, pushing Gus 1 back in the queue. I don't class Vickery as a ruckman in the traditional sense and I don't think we can rely on him to carry any substantial ruck duties for an extended if Maric goes down without sacrificing capability in the forward line. Another ruckman would keep the pressure on Maric, give us depth and flexibility for when we need to play 2 ruckmen (which we should look to do ourselves all the time anyway but that's another story) and having Graham as 3rd string covers our rear if everything goes really awry like it can (ask Hawthorn). We can still have a project ruckman as a rookie so the development potential remains.
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I reckon we can cover Cotch in the midfield easier than Maric in the ruck.
Please, we couldn't even cover Foley
We won as many games without him as with him and our losing margins didn't change significantly so I would suggest we could and did. Yes, we missed him but results suggest we also covered him to a fair extent. And if you took my comment in the context I wrote them, that we could more easily cover Cotch next season due to the increased age and further development of our midfield then I think my comment stands up.
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Maric was outstanding last year and luckily played most games last year. He carried an injury for the large part. The one game he didn't play we were not competitive in the ruck at all. Graham's performance against the suns was not upto AFL standards. We need a quality back up ruckman. Whilst Vickery could be that back up ruckman I would rather he stay in the forwardline where on form he provides a good second tall option. His kicking for goal is a real asset of his. Sadly I don't think Graham or Derrickx are upto the necessary standard and if we are to be a genuine finals contender we need a quality back up ruckman
Tell me more about Zac Smiths game that day. 7 hitouts and we were the ones not competitive in the ruck? Why did Graham get B&F votes for that game? Obviously the MC were content considering he was EMG the week after too.
One of the main reasons we improved last season was because of Maric. For the first time in a long time we won in the ruck. Maric's taps to advantage statistically were very high. The fact that Maric finished in our top 5 and was in consideration for all Australian selection says it all. If Maric had played against the suns we would have won. You only need to see that Hawthorn match to see how good he is. Graham is not upto it. I suggest you listen to some of the ABC commentary on Graham's games in the VFL. Furthermore can you name me a game where Graham has taken more than one contested mark in an afl game. The club continued to play Maric even when he was injured over Graham even when our season was done which again is a telling point.
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Maric was outstanding last year and luckily played most games last year. He carried an injury for the large part. The one game he didn't play we were not competitive in the ruck at all. Graham's performance against the suns was not upto AFL standards. We need a quality back up ruckman. Whilst Vickery could be that back up ruckman I would rather he stay in the forwardline where on form he provides a good second tall option. His kicking for goal is a real asset of his. Sadly I don't think Graham or Derrickx are upto the necessary standard and if we are to be a genuine finals contender we need a quality back up ruckman
Tell me more about Zac Smiths game that day. 7 hitouts and we were the ones not competitive in the ruck? Why did Graham get B&F votes for that game? Obviously the MC were content considering he was EMG the week after too.
One of the main reasons we improved last season was because of Maric. For the first time in a long time we won in the ruck. Maric's taps to advantage statistically were very high. The fact that Maric finished in our top 5 and was in consideration for all Australian selection says it all. If Maric had played against the suns we would have won. You only need to see that Hawthorn match to see how good he is. Graham is not upto it. I suggest you listen to some of the ABC commentary on Graham's games in the VFL. Furthermore can you name me a game where Graham has taken more than one contested mark in an afl game. The club continued to play Maric even when he was injured over Graham even when our season was done which again is a telling point.
I heard a VFL commentator say Schulz wasn't up to it. Why would I give a poo about what they have to say? Dongergan is alright but some of the others make some average comments. This isn't Maric vs Graham. Why can't some of you understand that? It's about Graham being better than just about every ruckman outside of the AFL. I love the "let's delist Graham" posts. Yeah, and when Maric goes down who do we play? Some 19 year old that is best suited to Coburg's reserves at that point in his career? Or do we draft a mature age ruckman from the VFL that Graham has probably already bent over?
Graham isn't a big contested marker. Did play a few ripper games against the Lions though. Prior to 2011 he was looking alright.
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I don't hold Graham in high regard. You should read some of the things I have written about him in the past. I'm just willing to acknowledge that he's a solid bloke to have at your club as 3rd choice ruck. Not worth the $ he is on but then again he can't be blamed for that.
If we keep Graham then I would still prefer to have 1 other better ruckman, pushing Gus 1 back in the queue.
So would I. But like I said before, who is going to want to play reserves all year? Reckon we have Graham for one more year and draft a promising ruckman.
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I really don't think Graham is greatly superior to Browne.
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Maric was outstanding last year and luckily played most games last year. He carried an injury for the large part. The one game he didn't play we were not competitive in the ruck at all. Graham's performance against the suns was not upto AFL standards. We need a quality back up ruckman. Whilst Vickery could be that back up ruckman I would rather he stay in the forwardline where on form he provides a good second tall option. His kicking for goal is a real asset of his. Sadly I don't think Graham or Derrickx are upto the necessary standard and if we are to be a genuine finals contender we need a quality back up ruckman
Tell me more about Zac Smiths game that day. 7 hitouts and we were the ones not competitive in the ruck? Why did Graham get B&F votes for that game? Obviously the MC were content considering he was EMG the week after too.
One of the main reasons we improved last season was because of Maric. For the first time in a long time we won in the ruck. Maric's taps to advantage statistically were very high. The fact that Maric finished in our top 5 and was in consideration for all Australian selection says it all. If Maric had played against the suns we would have won. You only need to see that Hawthorn match to see how good he is. Graham is not upto it. I suggest you listen to some of the ABC commentary on Graham's games in the VFL. Furthermore can you name me a game where Graham has taken more than one contested mark in an afl game. The club continued to play Maric even when he was injured over Graham even when our season was done which again is a telling point.
I heard a VFL commentator say Schulz wasn't up to it. Why would I give a poo about what they have to say? Dongergan is alright but some of the others make some average comments. This isn't Maric vs Graham. Why can't some of you understand that? It's about Graham being better than just about every ruckman outside of the AFL. I love the "let's delist Graham" posts. Yeah, and when Maric goes down who do we play? Some 19 year old that is best suited to Coburg's reserves at that point in his career? Or do we draft a mature age ruckman from the VFL that Graham has probably already bent over?
Graham isn't a big contested marker. Did play a few ripper games against the Lions though. Prior to 2011 he was looking alright.
We need a ruckman who can take a contested grab. That is why Maric is so good. If Graham is the best ruckman outside the afl why isn't he dominating the VFL. I can understand your reasoning that we need someone to cover Maric if he goes down but I don't believe Graham is the answer. I think we need to look elsewhere
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I used to think Gus could play a few years ago :P
He has gone backwards since and this accelerated last season.
He is 26 yo next year and would be starting his 7th year of AFL football.
He just doesn't go all in.
I'd have Jason Blake ahead of him in our ruck - just from an application perspective.
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I love Blakey ;D
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Lesson- in future dont recruit blokes with an IQ of 7
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I reckon we can cover Cotch in the midfield easier than Maric in the ruck.
Please, we couldn't even cover Foley
We won as many games without him as with him and our losing margins didn't change significantly so I would suggest we could and did. Yes, we missed him but results suggest we also covered him to a fair extent. And if you took my comment in the context I wrote them, that we could more easily cover Cotch next season due to the increased age and further development of our midfield then I think my comment stands up.
Compare the teams we played up until foleys injuries then the teams after
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I reckon we can cover Cotch in the midfield easier than Maric in the ruck.
Please, we couldn't even cover Foley
We won as many games without him as with him and our losing margins didn't change significantly so I would suggest we could and did. Yes, we missed him but results suggest we also covered him to a fair extent. And if you took my comment in the context I wrote them, that we could more easily cover Cotch next season due to the increased age and further development of our midfield then I think my comment stands up.
Compare the teams we played up until foleys injuries then the teams after
Compare the teams we put on the park. Foley wasn't the only reason we had a better first half of the season. In 3 weeks we went from having used the least amount of players in the competition to using the most. Wasn't just Foley.
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He just doesn't go all in.
2m pussycat.
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If we don't pick up a ruck and during the trade/free agency period will there be one available in the draft and would we go for one with pick 9???
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If we don't pick up a ruck and during the trade/free agency period will there be one available in the draft and would we go for one with pick 9???
If they did that WAT Punt Road would be torn down brick by brick. Midfielders, midfielders and more midfielders is what we need IMHO.
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If we don't pick up a ruck and during the trade/free agency period will there be one available in the draft and would we go for one with pick 9???
If they did that WAT Punt Road would be torn down brick by brick. Midfielders, midfielders and more midfielders is what we need IMHO.
Yeah true, maybe we can snare one with our second pick if we don't get one now.
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If we don't pick up a ruck and during the trade/free agency period will there be one available in the draft and would we go for one with pick 9???
Even if we did (which we won't) they are extremely unlikely to take the no 1 ruck position for 3-4 years at least.
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I think one of pick 29 or 31 will be used on a ruckman. Does anyone have any idea what ruckman might be available at hose picks?
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If we don't pick up a ruck and during the trade/free agency period will there be one available in the draft and would we go for one with pick 9???
only ruckman we would take with pick 9 is grundy. only trouble there is he will go to gws with one of picks 1 2 or 3.
i think we can all see the need for a backup mature ruckman for ivan and the need to get a young ruckman of similar type to maric in our system in preparation for when big ivan is gone in 3 or 4 yrs time.
easier said than done though. dont think there is a ruckman worth taking at 29 or 31 this yr so a quality long term replacement will have to wait until next yr. but we could target a young ruckman with a late or rookie pick.
ivan maric - is 27 hes the only decent combative ruckman we have.
angus graham - is a hack and really should have been replaced two or three seasons ago
tom derickx - while recruited as a ruckman has played as a kpp does he even classfy as a ruckman
tyrone vickery - is only a second string ruckman at best hes more a kpp. hes not going to be a front line bash crash ruckman and if you had to liken him to a ruckman it would be josh fraser.
in short our ruck stocks are deplorable and they have been for many yrs.
we should target a mature ruckman as backup to maric. we can target a well performed state league player or even a player type like brogan for one yr. he would suffice or do what brisbane did with hudson. theres your very short term backup we can then target a ruckman with a late nd pick or rookie him.
without a doubt marics long term replacement needs to be in our system asap.one thing for sure we dont have his replacement as yet.
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in short our ruck stocks are deplorable and they have been for many yrs.
Not as deplorable as they were, at least we've got a good one now. Let's just hope he stays fit.
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We either keep goose or chase Giles ! ? ! ? :huh
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In a perfect world.
Chase Giles. Won't be that expensive and for 3 years.
Offer Jako and Nahas.
Stefan Martin is another one we can look at to give Eevan a chop out.
Then we can see who enters the November Draft and Pre Season Draft and get someone on the cheap.
Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan anyone of the names mentioned are better than Gus.
Of course I'm also hoping Nought lose McIntosh to the Cats and they maintain their interst in Gus. That would just complement the win win situation.
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Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.
:nope
no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all ;D
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Gus lacks in so many areas ,intensity being one .However his window should only now be opening up.We should probably hang onto him for another season or two,as most ruckman dont reach their full potential until their late 20s(freaks of football like Natanui being the exception)....up until now i have been no fan of Gus
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Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.
:nope
no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all ;D
I was shocked with that call
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Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.
:nope
no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all ;D
I was shocked with that call
me too. sometimes the only way to improve is get a higher standard of dud.
we have got rid of most of the out and out duds and in a lot of cases replaced them with just duds.
its time to replace the just duds for something approaching a reasonable afl footballer.
in time we hopefully get rid of the reasonable player with a good player. ah value adding dont ya just love it anything that improves the overall standard of the list and raises the bar has to be a good thing.
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Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.
:nope
no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all ;D
I was shocked with that call
me too. sometimes the only way to improve is get a higher standard of dud.
we have got rid of most of the out and out duds and in a lot of cases replaced them with just duds.
its time to replace the just duds for something approaching a reasonable afl footballer.
in time we hopefully get rid of the reasonable player with a good player. ah value adding dont ya just love it anything that improves the overall standard of the list and raises the bar has to be a good thing.
Ideal world..
Who is our 2nd ruck? Take your pick claw given availability.
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Cameron Wood, Dean Brogan better than Gus.
:nope
no need to talk up other duds over our duds who are already superior. No more duds. Get someone decent in the draft or don't get anyone at all ;D
I was shocked with that call
me too. sometimes the only way to improve is get a higher standard of dud.
we have got rid of most of the out and out duds and in a lot of cases replaced them with just duds.
its time to replace the just duds for something approaching a reasonable afl footballer.
in time we hopefully get rid of the reasonable player with a good player. ah value adding dont ya just love it anything that improves the overall standard of the list and raises the bar has to be a good thing.
Ideal world..
Who is our 2nd ruck? Take your pick claw given availability.
are you asking who is the pinch hitter on game day or who would be #1 if maric got hurt.
the only viable pinch hitter second ruck we have atm is vickery there is no one else.
if big ivan gets hurt shudder, well bloody hell it leaves angus freakin graham to play as the #1 man. . imo better to take brogan for a yr or a combative state leaguer.
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imo better to take brogan for a yr or a combative state leaguer.
I'm basically saying if you can take any realistically available player in the comp as a backup to Eevan, who do you take?
Brogan, Warnock, Zac C, Seaby??
My sense is that they'll go to 2-2 on the bench next year and that's going to remove the need for specialist tap rucks even further.
Guys like Vickery who can kick a goal and be competitive in the ruck will be like GOLD. For me that's the type we should target. Forward/Ruck.
Changing game..
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I doubt we will play two ruckman.
A fwd 2nd rckman and allows you the extra mid.
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imo better to take brogan for a yr or a combative state leaguer.
I'm basically saying if you can take any realistically available player in the comp as a backup to Eevan, who do you take?
Brogan, Warnock, Zac C, Seaby??
My sense is that they'll go to 2-2 on the bench next year and that's going to remove the need for specialist tap rucks even further.
Guys like Vickery who can kick a goal and be competitive in the ruck will be like GOLD. For me that's the type we should target. Forward/Ruck.
Changing game..
Dare I say Vickery and GRIFFITHS could potentially play this role in the absence of Ivan? :pray
Do people also think we could play Riewoldt, Vickery and Zac Clarke in the fwd line with Clarke being an effective fwd?
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With Giles gone i would aim for Stefan Martin.
Can play around the ground and will be cheap
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down. Ivan and Vicks will be the number 1 combination, and rightly so. Half the names bandied around on this thread will not want to come to Richmond and play twos all year.
Also, Todd Elton may put pressure on Vicks for the second ruck/forward option in the next couple of years, if he comes on a bit.
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
Will go past gus in 2013, takes a long time to get over a broken ankle.
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He couldn't get a kick in a street fight mate. He might get delisted still :lol
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
'competitive'......
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
Will go past gus in 2013, takes a long time to get over a broken ankle.
He could be on crutches and would still go past Gus.
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
putting the player aside yes like derickx. lets go thru a similar process its the way to go. like all types from each system ie nd rookie retread afl or mature state league you get failures. seems to me mature state league have a higher hit ratio than 18 yo rookies retreads and late nd picks.
how about we say like giles. dominated his state league finished hih in b&fs and had the attributes to play afl.
while derickx may not have dominated wafl like giles he did stand out in a pretty good side.
ya never know derickx while not showing much at afl level has been retained he may take a step up he has had a fair bit of injury.
every recruit we take no matter where we take em there is always a bit of woulda/coulda/shoulda about them.
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Giles had already been on an AFL list and a lot of people thought he was stiff to get delisted. I don't have a problem with giving a state league player a shot as long as they're dominating their comp. Right now it looks like people want to recruit blokes who couldn't even carry Graham's bag let alone be back up to Maric.
How many #1 ruckman in the comp that weren't drafted as a kid?
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Giles had already been on an AFL list and a lot of people thought he was stiff to get delisted. I don't have a problem with giving a state league player a shot as long as they're dominating their comp. Right now it looks like people want to recruit blokes who couldn't even carry Graham's bag let alone be back up to Maric.
How many #1 ruckman in the comp that weren't drafted as a kid?
fact is giles went back to state league and proved his worth he showed he was worthy of another shot.
how about this personally probably wouldnt do it as i reckon some good kids will still be there at 50.
theres talk of north melbourne wanting pick 36 from geelong for mcintosh. geelong only offering up their pick 55. theres also talk of them nm being interested in graham.
why dont we give em graham and pick 50 for mcintosh. it would be a low cost short term solution to our ruck problems.
another option would be and im only throwing it out there not saying we should do it we offer geelong pick 31 for say dawson simpson geelong can then offer 31 to nm for mcintosh.
just a few thoughts on possibilities.
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Some good theories there claw, I like it. Can we fit Mcintosh, Ivan and Vickery in the same side though? Especially if they bring in the 2-2 sub thing?
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I guess with Giles staying at GWS now, Macintosh is the only other reasonable experienced ruck alternative left but why would he come to Richmond and end up in the same place in the pecking order as he currently is at Nort?
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I guess with Giles staying at GWS now, Macintosh is the only other reasonable experienced ruck alternative left but why would he come to Richmond and end up in the same place in the pecking order as he currently is at Nort?
yeah that is a problem he wants to play first ruck. so scenario two maybe.
only trouble is ive not seen much of simpson. hes a 23yo 206cm 109kg monster. played 3 afl games i saw two of them and he looked real promising. i also think this yr was ruined by injury.
what is his real worth is the queston for me is he worth pick 31.
imo hes supposed to be geelongs #1 ruckman in time with vardy being the ruck/forward. they think they still have a decent window of opportunity hence they want a ready to go mcintosh.
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
Derickx is definitely the right type to go for.
Is he a complete write off yet BTW? No convinced he is.
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
Derickx is definitely the right type to go for.
Is he a complete write off yet BTW? No convinced he is.
He has been considered to have been one of Coburg's best players once or twice in 2 years. For a 25 year old on an AFL list that is just not good enough. He doesn't do enough at VFL level for me to believe he could be a decent option in the AFL. The club gave him a few games and he averaged maybe 5 touches. I think there's a chance he could get the arse in a few weeks
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
Derickx is definitely the right type to go for.
Is he a complete write off yet BTW? No convinced he is.
He has been considered to have been one of Coburg's best players once or twice in 2 years. For a 25 year old on an AFL list that is just not good enough. He doesn't do enough at VFL level for me to believe he could be a decent option in the AFL. The club gave him a few games and he averaged maybe 5 touches. I think there's a chance he could get the arse in a few weeks
yeah your probably right there. hes done nothing to suggest he can take the next step. the one thing that may be his saving grace is injury. didnt he break his ankle big blokes can take a long time to get over that type of injury even when healed.
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
Derickx is definitely the right type to go for.
Is he a complete write off yet BTW? No convinced he is.
He has been considered to have been one of Coburg's best players once or twice in 2 years. For a 25 year old on an AFL list that is just not good enough. He doesn't do enough at VFL level for me to believe he could be a decent option in the AFL. The club gave him a few games and he averaged maybe 5 touches. I think there's a chance he could get the arse in a few weeks
Agree, but I think he is the type we need to go for. He could have gone the other way and been a handy pick-up for us. Still a slim chance to do so. He has some tools to work with.
Having two monster Rucks on the park is not viable anymore, unless they are both ultra mobile (Cox and Panther). We couldn't fit Hmac in the best 22. He would only be a replacement for Maric and I this would be attractive to him. Too bad the Mullet is flippin awesome. Hmac has a better chance of being top-dawg at Geetroit.
I reckon the club has an eye on a state-leaguer and will take him late in the ND.
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
Derickx is definitely the right type to go for.
Is he a complete write off yet BTW? No convinced he is.
He has been considered to have been one of Coburg's best players once or twice in 2 years. For a 25 year old on an AFL list that is just not good enough. He doesn't do enough at VFL level for me to believe he could be a decent option in the AFL. The club gave him a few games and he averaged maybe 5 touches. I think there's a chance he could get the arse in a few weeks
Agree, but I think he is the type we need to go for. He could have gone the other way and been a handy pick-up for us. Still a slim chance to do so. He has some tools to work with.
Having two monster Rucks on the park is not viable anymore, unless they are both ultra mobile (Cox and Panther). We couldn't fit Hmac in the best 22. He would only be a replacement for Maric and I this would be attractive to him. Too bad the Mullet is flippin awesome. Hmac has a better chance of being top-dawg at Geetroit.
I reckon the club has an eye on a state-leaguer and will take him late in the ND.
yet sydney play both pyke and mumford.adelaide played a fair bit both jacobs and jenkins. reckon carlton will play both kruezer and warnock. freo at one stage played all sandilands clarke and griffen.
essendon have played both hille and bellchambers with ryder.
i dunno if i buy into this two rucks on the park is not viable stuff.
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
Derickx is definitely the right type to go for.
Is he a complete write off yet BTW? No convinced he is.
He has been considered to have been one of Coburg's best players once or twice in 2 years. For a 25 year old on an AFL list that is just not good enough. He doesn't do enough at VFL level for me to believe he could be a decent option in the AFL. The club gave him a few games and he averaged maybe 5 touches. I think there's a chance he could get the arse in a few weeks
Agree, but I think he is the type we need to go for. He could have gone the other way and been a handy pick-up for us. Still a slim chance to do so. He has some tools to work with.
Having two monster Rucks on the park is not viable anymore, unless they are both ultra mobile (Cox and Panther). We couldn't fit Hmac in the best 22. He would only be a replacement for Maric and I this would be attractive to him. Too bad the Mullet is flippin awesome. Hmac has a better chance of being top-dawg at Geetroit.
I reckon the club has an eye on a state-leaguer and will take him late in the ND.
yet sydney play both pyke and mumford.adelaide played a fair bit both jacobs and jenkins. reckon carlton will play both kruezer and warnock. freo at one stage played all sandilands clarke and griffen.
essendon have played both hille and bellchambers with ryder.
i dunno if i buy into this two rucks on the park is not viable stuff.
true, but I think most clubs experienced problems with their balance and ended up dropping one (Hille, Warnock, Clarke). Or one of those players is mobile and played predominantly forward (Jenkins, Ryder). I think one key ruck (Ivan) and one forward/ruck (Vicks) works best for us. I dont think another big ruck like Hmac would work in the same team as Ivan, which is the reason he is on the outer at NM.
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the one thing that may be his saving grace is injury. didnt he break his ankle big blokes can take a long time to get over that type of injury even when healed.
Yep. I think he'll get another season to show his worth.
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I think we should just bring in a big, competitive state-leauger who can come in should Ivan go down.
Like Derrickx?
Derickx is definitely the right type to go for.
Is he a complete write off yet BTW? No convinced he is.
He has been considered to have been one of Coburg's best players once or twice in 2 years. For a 25 year old on an AFL list that is just not good enough. He doesn't do enough at VFL level for me to believe he could be a decent option in the AFL. The club gave him a few games and he averaged maybe 5 touches. I think there's a chance he could get the arse in a few weeks
Agree, but I think he is the type we need to go for. He could have gone the other way and been a handy pick-up for us. Still a slim chance to do so. He has some tools to work with.
Having two monster Rucks on the park is not viable anymore, unless they are both ultra mobile (Cox and Panther). We couldn't fit Hmac in the best 22. He would only be a replacement for Maric and I this would be attractive to him. Too bad the Mullet is flippin awesome. Hmac has a better chance of being top-dawg at Geetroit.
I reckon the club has an eye on a state-leaguer and will take him late in the ND.
yet sydney play both pyke and mumford.adelaide played a fair bit both jacobs and jenkins. reckon carlton will play both kruezer and warnock. freo at one stage played all sandilands clarke and griffen.
essendon have played both hille and bellchambers with ryder.
i dunno if i buy into this two rucks on the park is not viable stuff.
true, but I think most clubs experienced problems with their balance and ended up dropping one (Hille, Warnock, Clarke). Or one of those players is mobile and played predominantly forward (Jenkins, Ryder). I think one key ruck (Ivan) and one forward/ruck (Vicks) works best for us. I dont think another big ruck like Hmac would work in the same team as Ivan, which is the reason he is on the outer at NM.
i suppose it all comes down to team chemistry and what you prefer.
me i prefer both ruckmen to be primarily combative ruckmen where they dont just compete the ruck knock but become big battering rams and almost inside mids when the ball hits the ground.
good if one if not both can take a mark and go forward. ben hudson is one of those spare inside mid battering rams. ottens was as well kruezer is and i reckon ivan is as well.
our troubles are three fold. when ivan goes for a break it falls away terribly. we run the risk of working ivan into the ground if we dont give him decent breaks. and we need to play a genuine backup in case ivan is hurt.
others prefer one crash bash ruckman and a forward who can give a chop out ie jolley and brown at collingwood or hale and roughhead at hawrthorn. our option here is vickery who imo is very much a forward first and ruckman second. atm my problem with this is vickery just doesnt compete and looks out of place in the ruck.
if vickery can become a more than competent ruckman we would not have to worry but hes miles away and is a real liability when in the ruck.
getting mcintyre would mean vickerys spot in not an automatic gimme and i dont think that a bad thing. if it means two competetive proven ruckmen and vickery is in a bun fight for the second key forward spot with elton astbury and griffiths bloody great.
as i said it all comes down to the team chemistry and what you prefer. i see plenty of examples of clubs playing 2 genuine ruckmen
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Yep. Its certainly not an exact science. I do agree that competition for spots is a good thing. We really need Vickery to stand up this year and I think he can. Still has plenty of development in him.
Does anyone know how competent Ivan was when he was Vickery's age? Might be an interesting insight.
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yet sydney play both pyke and mumford.adelaide played a fair bit both jacobs and jenkins. reckon carlton will play both kruezer and warnock. freo at one stage played all sandilands clarke and griffen.
essendon have played both hille and bellchambers with ryder.
i dunno if i buy into this two rucks on the park is not viable stuff.
You've never spoken truer words Claw. I don't buy into it either - I reckon the clubs playing 1 and a part-timer are giving their opposition a walk-up start. :thumbsup
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read this one on bf.
seems adelaide are interested in angus. seeing the club has said they arent really interested in trading for players but will be looking for pick upgrades what do people think of angus plus pick 50 to adelaide for their pick 40.
like one bf poster said i reckon it will get real interesting next week when all the picks are sorted and in order.
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read this one on bf.
seems adelaide are interested in angus. seeing the club has said they arent really interested in trading for players but will be looking for pick upgrades what do people think of angus plus pick 50 to adelaide for their pick 40.
like one bf poster said i reckon it will get real interesting next week when all the picks are sorted and in order.
About right. Be great to get another selection inside 40.
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read this one on bf.
seems adelaide are interested in angus. seeing the club has said they arent really interested in trading for players but will be looking for pick upgrades what do people think of angus plus pick 50 to adelaide for their pick 40.
like one bf poster said i reckon it will get real interesting next week when all the picks are sorted and in order.
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Giles had already been on an AFL list and a lot of people thought he was stiff to get delisted. I don't have a problem with giving a state league player a shot as long as they're dominating their comp. Right now it looks like people want to recruit blokes who couldn't even carry Graham's bag let alone be back up to Maric.
How many #1 ruckman in the comp that weren't drafted as a kid?
Cox, Mumford, Hudson, Jolly, Sandilands, Stephenson (If you think his #1)
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Jolly drafted at 19 years old,ditto Cox & Sandi. The others all drafted in early 20's apart from Stephenson who is probably 3rd in line at best for Geelong.
Not saying you can't draft a good ruckman from state leagues but most of them are playing at that level for a reason
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Jolly drafted at 19 years old,ditto Cox & Sandi. The others all drafted in early 20's apart from Stephenson who is probably 3rd in line at best for Geelong.
Not saying you can't draft a good ruckman from state leagues but most of them are playing at that level for a reason
You're right, I just went by how old they would turn the year they were drafted.
I agree, and notice how all of them are older ruckmen, now-a-days with how much efforts put into drafting good ruckmen are getting picked up at younger ages.
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Claw kruser is like a mid and is #1 draft pick. So the Carlton example is outside the general rule.
When we played adelaide from memory jacobs rucked entire game v maric.
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Yep. Its certainly not an exact science. I do agree that competition for spots is a good thing. We really need Vickery to stand up this year and I think he can. Still has plenty of development in him.
Does anyone know how competent Ivan was when he was Vickery's age? Might be an interesting insight.
was drafted 04 along with john meeson. managed 14 games in his first three seasons.
0 in 05, 8 in 06 and 6 in 07.
ivan was in competition with biglands hudson clarke griffen and meeson at various stages. thats some ruck depth hey.is there a lesson for us here.
pretty sure biglands did his knee in the 06 finals. he then did his knee again if i remember correct in 07. he stayed on their list for a few more yrs but did not play another game. they traded clarke at the end of 06 to stkilda ?. and hudson went to the dogs at the end of 07.
suddenly there was a spot to be had. maric played 16 games in 08 griffen managed 12 moran who the crows had just traded for played 7 and they had tippett who played 19 games and gave the ruckmen a chop out. his 08 was very servicable as far as playing in the ruck went i suppose you could say the load was pretty well shared.
09 he played 20 games and become the clear #1 ruckman. again had a decent yr as a ruckman very competetive but nothing world beating.
griffen had a poor yr and managed just 2 games but ivan had plenty of help from tippett who had a standout yr both as a forward and back up ruckman. moran did his knee rnd 12 after looking good early in the season. sellar also pinch hit in the ruck.
10 ivan again lead there ruck. again servicable without being outstanding tended to go missing for chunks of games. was backed up by griffin and tippett again.
think meeson was delisted or traded .also at the end of this yr griffen went home and moran was having serious injury issues still. so they went and got jacobs.
11 jacobs had a very good yr surpassing anything that ivan had done to date. the crows decided to go with jacobs and tippett as backup and didnt see the need to play ivan he had effectively been surpassed. played just 6 games and was traded to us at the end of the yr.
looking back you could say ivan was tracking along okay with incremental improvement each yr until 2011 when he was overlooked for a significantly higher performer.
just my opinion but as a ruckman id place maric a long way in front of vickery at the same stage of their careers. always a competetor and physically a mile in front of vickery.always gave a contest at the least when rucking.
vickery has it over ivan in other ways but apart from a very good goal haul last yr vickery has not performed to the same level as ivan.
until this yr vickery was a bit like ivan in that he was tracking in the right direction each yr. he obviously is too young and physically lacking to play with injury so he has a decent reason for not continuing to track in the right direction.
not much info there that you and everyone else probably didnt already know but theres an indicator of what ivan has done and ythe competition he had for a game. imo ivan in yrs 4 5 and 6 was pretty decent.poor in yr 7 and outstanding in yr 8.
the one thing that stands out in this is just how hard it is to get good ruckmen just look at the work the crows have put in to get good ones.
ive alwys advocated 4 or 5 on your list at varying stages of development you also need to vary the type of ruckman on your list.
we have a good ruckman in ivan. we need another mature ruckman who can compete and do a job at afl standard. gus should be this ruckman but hes not good enough. we need a quality young ruckman as a key component of any succesion plan we have. we need him in our system as soon as possible. and it would not hurt us to have a rookie ruckman or even couple of different types on the rookie list.
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read this one on bf.
seems adelaide are interested in angus. seeing the club has said they arent really interested in trading for players but will be looking for pick upgrades what do people think of angus plus pick 50 to adelaide for their pick 40.
like one bf poster said i reckon it will get real interesting next week when all the picks are sorted and in order.
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Jolly drafted at 19 years old,ditto Cox & Sandi. The others all drafted in early 20's apart from Stephenson who is probably 3rd in line at best for Geelong.
Not saying you can't draft a good ruckman from state leagues but most of them are playing at that level for a reason
i think because so few ruckmen are available each draft most of them end up on a list one way or another.
look at this draft theres only probably 3 maybe 4 ruckmen close to 200cm who will be taken in the top 60 odd. from there watch how many get rookied.
i think so many good ruckmen are found in the rookie draft because the majority are taken there ot very late in the nd.. not a lot end up in state leagues unaligned to a afl club.. only a theory and i could be totally wrong.
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read this one on bf.
seems adelaide are interested in angus. seeing the club has said they arent really interested in trading for players but will be looking for pick upgrades what do people think of angus plus pick 50 to adelaide for their pick 40.
like one bf poster said i reckon it will get real interesting next week when all the picks are sorted and in order.
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yesssss, mod created pyramid. :lol I also agree Graham & 50 for 40 is a fair deal. In fact Graham & 50 for 59 is probably fairer. ;D
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Actually I'd take pick 120 for Gus ;D
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As long as he isnt on our list next season we win! :clapping
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Just putting it our there ....
The Big O at Geelong? He'll now be behind West and McIntosh at the Cattery. Would he be a better option than Gus and Derickx?
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Just putting it our there ....
The Big O at Geelong? He'll now be behind West and McIntosh at the Cattery. Would he be a better option than Gus and Derickx?
Reckon the Big O will get de-listed by the Cats now
Would certainly look at him as a mature age rookie, nothing more though
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Just putting it our there ....
The Big O at Geelong? He'll now be behind West and McIntosh at the Cattery. Would he be a better option than Gus and Derickx?
Reckon the Big O will get de-listed by the Cats now
Would certainly look at him as a mature age rookie, nothing more though
Are you serious?
I would look at him to do cover versions of Roy Orbison music and that is strictly it.
To be honest he's not even good enough for that, make it Travelling Wilberrys
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Just putting it our there ....
The Big O at Geelong? He'll now be behind West and McIntosh at the Cattery. Would he be a better option than Gus and Derickx?
Reckon the Big O will get de-listed by the Cats now
Would certainly look at him as a mature age rookie, nothing more though
Are you serious?
I would look at him to do cover versions of Roy Orbison music and that is strictly it.
To be honest he's not even good enough for that, make it Travelling Wilberrys
Yeah
Mature age rookie only, would play VFL only and he is a very good VFL player BTW. Which means he could fill one of the spots on our VFL list when we field our own VFL side in 2014. Have to minimum number of VFL listed only players.
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No to the big O. Not good enough.
Cats had a lot of trouble replacing Ottens this season.
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With todays news we are on the lookout for a cardboard cutout too. :whistle
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Get this done Tiges....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/department-of-trades/st-kilda-in-box-seat-to-land-gold-coast-ruckman-tom-hickey-in-trade-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226499261763
:gotigers
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x 2 if the price isn't too steep. Plenty of upside in Hickey and can be our 'project ruckman'. Still need another more mature body to help Ivan though.
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Claw was spot on. Except we are getting a compo pick as well...probably because we're paying Goose for next year ;D
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Get this done Tiges....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/department-of-trades/st-kilda-in-box-seat-to-land-gold-coast-ruckman-tom-hickey-in-trade-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226499261763
:gotigers
They want a 1st rounder for Hickey.
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**** that
He'll end up going back to QLD when his girlfriends bogan couture doesn't cut it on chapel st
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Get this done Tiges....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/department-of-trades/st-kilda-in-box-seat-to-land-gold-coast-ruckman-tom-hickey-in-trade-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226499261763
:gotigers
They want a 1st rounder for Hickey.
And the Crows wanted a heap more too...
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Get this done Tiges....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/department-of-trades/st-kilda-in-box-seat-to-land-gold-coast-ruckman-tom-hickey-in-trade-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226499261763
:gotigers
They want a 1st rounder for Hickey.
And the Crows wanted a heap more too...
A heap more for who?
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Get this done Tiges....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/department-of-trades/st-kilda-in-box-seat-to-land-gold-coast-ruckman-tom-hickey-in-trade-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226499261763
:gotigers
They want a 1st rounder for Hickey.
And the Crows wanted a heap more too...
A heap more for who?
Tippet
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Get this done Tiges....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/department-of-trades/st-kilda-in-box-seat-to-land-gold-coast-ruckman-tom-hickey-in-trade-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226499261763
:gotigers
They want a 1st rounder for Hickey.
And the Crows wanted a heap more too...
A heap more for who?
Tippet
Not sure how you can use that as an example, Tippett is yet to be traded. :P
Either way, Tippett wants to go to Sydney, and Sydney's 1st pick in the draft is #22, therefore they cannot offer anything better. If the crows don't trade they lose him for nothing.
Our first pick is #9, GC would demand that from us, as our picks after that would be pipped by other clubs (#29 and #31).
So the situations aren't really comparible. :thumbsup
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Get this done Tiges....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/department-of-trades/st-kilda-in-box-seat-to-land-gold-coast-ruckman-tom-hickey-in-trade-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226499261763
:gotigers
They want a 1st rounder for Hickey.
And the Crows wanted a heap more too...
A heap more for who?
Tippet
Not sure how you can use that as an example, Tippett is yet to be traded. :P
Either way, Tippett wants to go to Sydney, and Sydney's 1st pick in the draft is #22, therefore they cannot offer anything better. If the crows don't trade they lose him for nothing.
Our first pick is #9, GC would demand that from us, as our picks after that would be pipped by other clubs (#29 and #31).
So the situations aren't really comparible. :thumbsup
Tippetts in the bag.. :thumbsup
If he nominated us we could price the Saints out of it or trade off pick 29 and a player, we could at least get amongst it...make the others pay over the top.
I don't know do bloody something we need a ruckman.. :lol
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WAT do you believe they don't have a plan re: back up ruckman
I would be amazed if they go into Round 1 with derickx as the only back up
they have someone else in mind i just dont know who
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WAT do you believe they don't have a plan re: back up ruckman
I would be amazed if they go into Round 1 with derickx as the only back up
they have someone else in mind i just dont know who
Not sure what I believe, we went all year last year without a backup, perhaps they think we can do it again...
The only thing I can think is that they are looking at a mature age recruit form one of the State leagues. Failing that I have no idea what they are up to....decent/potential rucks are running low now though.
And you????
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wasnt graham the best performed ruckman in the VFL? if they have anyone in mind they would most likely be from WA or SA
Wouldnt be surprised to see Browne on the rookie list again
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Draft a project ruck with a late pick and rookie an insurance prospect. I'm not a fan of 4 or 5 ruck types on the senior list. The ruck position is one of the safest positions for the number one, then a ready to go back up if the main one goes down. Failing that and the back up gets injured you can just put one of them on LTIL and promote the rookie or use the snot nose. Even Vickery could fill in until the one of them gets back from injury. Any more rucks and it starts to bog down the list with dead weight. Failing that and they all go down, well you're in the poo anyway.
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i have no idea what they are thinking
i just hope they are not thinking to re-rookie Browne
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#1 maric.
#2 vickery. (Fwd/ruck)
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#3 Derick (coburg #1)
Need to find one or two big blokes.
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i have no idea what they are thinking
i just hope they are not thinking to re-rookie Browne
If they dont a pluck a mature bodied big bloke in the ND you should start preparing for it
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stuff me anyone reckon they're gonna give Seaby another shot at the big time? :lol
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Been linked to him previously :help
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still think jack hannath from centrals is on our radar,
200cm 104kg 21 yo? could be 22. had a good yr as a ruckman against pretty decent opposition. need to do more around the geound get more ball and take a few more marks but has a good upside he would be competetive.
probably go late nd should get him with a pick in the 60s.
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While there has been speculation Richmond will now look for another ruckman, they will not trade for or use a pick in the national draft as a back-up for Ivan Maric.
Instead, they might consider a mature-aged replacement in the rookie draft as insurance, given they hope Tom Derickx and Tyrone Vickery will help Maric this year.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-gains-richmond-ruckman-angus-graham-in-trade-deal/story-fnahsgl5-1226499354958
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While there has been speculation Richmond will now look for another ruckman, they will not trade for or use a pick in the national draft as a back-up for Ivan Maric.
No mention of the source for this statement... just take it as fact we know at we are talking about.
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They really should of pounced on Jesse White. :banghead
Blair obviously overlooked my posts on him. :facepalm
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Jesse White is a dud mate, pretty big one too
I know you're still on a high from chris knights, but you're embarrassing yourself now ;D
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Jesse White is a dud mate, pretty big one too
I know you're still on a high from chris knights, but you're embarrassing yourself now ;D
I hoping he has a bust out year and everyone will be hearing about it. :thumbsup
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Jesse White is a dud mate, pretty big one too
I know you're still on a high from chris knights, but you're embarrassing yourself now ;D
I hoping he has a bust out year and everyone will be hearing about it. :thumbsup
Gotta love a bust out year. Brynne Edelsten is having one
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LMFAO He's an inch away from being delisted. He's even poor in the NEAFL. Might have a breakout year if he plays in the King Island League, though he'd probably get beat by Gus' sisters
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Jesse White is a dud mate, pretty big one too
I know you're still on a high from chris knights, but you're embarrassing yourself now ;D
I hoping he has a bust out year and everyone will be hearing about it. :thumbsup
Gotta love a bust out year. Brynne Edelsten is having one
Photos or it didn't happen.
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It happened FACT.
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Clubs will be keeping an eye on the rule changes when looking at ruckmen. The new no wrestling rules this year and the likely interchange cap in 12 months means clubs will more than ever be looking for versatile types. For us I reckon that means grooming Vickery to become the number one ruckman in 2-3 years, with Elton following a similar development path a few years behind him. Now Graham is gone Derickx will be the go to if We get injuries. We need to add at least another ruckman - id prefer to go for a young bloke we can develop and maybe rookie a 21-22 year old as well (unless their free agency planning has a ruckman in their sights for 2013). With Chaplin coming in the club could even use Graham to pinch as a second ruck if we get a few injuries, but his body has been a bit fragile to give too much load in the ruck.
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im assuming you meant griffiths, not graham?
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Can only have meant Griffin Iwould thinkn
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im assuming you meant griffiths, not graham?
yep, meant Griffiths.
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Griffiths could actually become a very good second ruckman now that height and leap is more of a factor than size. The new rule will hurt us next year imo. Big Ivan is good at wrestling and out positioning his opponent to get the ball down to our mids. With the ew rule players like Nic Nat, Sandilands and Jacobs will dominate further as they will be able to jump over stationary opponents (Nic Nat) or use their reach exclusively. Ivan is not a tall man in comparison to these ruckman and will have to block their run to compete.
Conversely, this is why Griffiths, with springs in his knees but with little size about him, could benefits from the rule. Vickery possibly too. :thumbsup
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A we able to do a deal with GWS and prelist Currie like we did with Morris last season in a deal.Is the hype on Currie all well and good or is there better options out there ?.
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A we able to do a deal with GWS and prelist Currie like we did with Morris last season in a deal.Is the hype on Currie all well and good or is there better options out there ?.
They've used their 10 pre-listings. Unless you can find one from NT then they can't do it. Last time I checked NT was playing a 188cm Medium forward as their ruckman at the Champs. ;D
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WAT do you believe they don't have a plan re: back up ruckman
I would be amazed if they go into Round 1 with derickx as the only back up
they have someone else in mind i just dont know who
Not sure what I believe, we went all year last year without a backup, perhaps they think we can do it again...
The only thing I can think is that they are looking at a mature age recruit form one of the State leagues. Failing that I have no idea what they are up to....decent/potential rucks are running low now though.
And you????
I think last year they didn't expect as much from Maric and more from Graham and thought if Maric went down, Graham would slide in without much harm to the side. Turned out there was a huge gap between them hence trading out Graham
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Griffiths could actually become a very good second ruckman now that height and leap is more of a factor than size. The new rule will hurt us next year imo. Big Ivan is good at wrestling and out positioning his opponent to get the ball down to our mids. With the ew rule players like Nic Nat, Sandilands and Jacobs will dominate further as they will be able to jump over stationary opponents (Nic Nat) or use their reach exclusively. Ivan is not a tall man in comparison to these ruckman and will have to block their run to compete.
Conversely, this is why Griffiths, with springs in his knees but with little size about him, could benefits from the rule. Vickery possibly too. :thumbsup
i tend to agree that Vickery will benefit from the new rule but not Ivan so much. Vickery's direction when palming the ball is pretty good when he gets first hand to it. His problem is that he doesn't get first hand to the ball often enough. With less wrestling, I think he'll become a better round the ground ruckman.
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Griffiths could actually become a very good second ruckman now that height and leap is more of a factor than size. The new rule will hurt us next year imo. Big Ivan is good at wrestling and out positioning his opponent to get the ball down to our mids. With the ew rule players like Nic Nat, Sandilands and Jacobs will dominate further as they will be able to jump over stationary opponents (Nic Nat) or use their reach exclusively. Ivan is not a tall man in comparison to these ruckman and will have to block their run to compete.
Conversely, this is why Griffiths, with springs in his knees but with little size about him, could benefits from the rule. Vickery possibly too. :thumbsup
i tend to agree that Vickery will benefit from the new rule but not Ivan so much. Vickery's direction when palming the ball is pretty good when he gets first hand to it. His problem is that he doesn't get first hand to the ball often enough. With less wrestling, I think he'll become a better round the ground ruckman.
Sorry, out of the loop a bit, do we have another new rule for ruckmen???
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Griffiths could actually become a very good second ruckman now that height and leap is more of a factor than size. The new rule will hurt us next year imo. Big Ivan is good at wrestling and out positioning his opponent to get the ball down to our mids. With the ew rule players like Nic Nat, Sandilands and Jacobs will dominate further as they will be able to jump over stationary opponents (Nic Nat) or use their reach exclusively. Ivan is not a tall man in comparison to these ruckman and will have to block their run to compete.
Conversely, this is why Griffiths, with springs in his knees but with little size about him, could benefits from the rule. Vickery possibly too. :thumbsup
i tend to agree that Vickery will benefit from the new rule but not Ivan so much. Vickery's direction when palming the ball is pretty good when he gets first hand to it. His problem is that he doesn't get first hand to the ball often enough. With less wrestling, I think he'll become a better round the ground ruckman.
Sorry, out of the loop a bit, do we have another new rule for ruckmen???
New season new rules - no contact until the ball leaves the umpires hands next year. http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/interchange-cap-gets-oneyear-reprieve-20121016-27oll.html
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Griffiths could actually become a very good second ruckman now that height and leap is more of a factor than size. The new rule will hurt us next year imo. Big Ivan is good at wrestling and out positioning his opponent to get the ball down to our mids. With the ew rule players like Nic Nat, Sandilands and Jacobs will dominate further as they will be able to jump over stationary opponents (Nic Nat) or use their reach exclusively. Ivan is not a tall man in comparison to these ruckman and will have to block their run to compete.
Conversely, this is why Griffiths, with springs in his knees but with little size about him, could benefits from the rule. Vickery possibly too. :thumbsup
i tend to agree that Vickery will benefit from the new rule but not Ivan so much. Vickery's direction when palming the ball is pretty good when he gets first hand to it. His problem is that he doesn't get first hand to the ball often enough. With less wrestling, I think he'll become a better round the ground ruckman.
Sorry, out of the loop a bit, do we have another new rule for ruckmen???
New season new rules - no contact until the ball leaves the umpires hands next year. http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/interchange-cap-gets-oneyear-reprieve-20121016-27oll.html
Thanks mate..
Message to AFL..
LEAVE THE BLOODY GAME ALONE!!!!
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Griffiths could actually become a very good second ruckman now that height and leap is more of a factor than size. The new rule will hurt us next year imo. Big Ivan is good at wrestling and out positioning his opponent to get the ball down to our mids. With the ew rule players like Nic Nat, Sandilands and Jacobs will dominate further as they will be able to jump over stationary opponents (Nic Nat) or use their reach exclusively. Ivan is not a tall man in comparison to these ruckman and will have to block their run to compete.
Conversely, this is why Griffiths, with springs in his knees but with little size about him, could benefits from the rule. Vickery possibly too. :thumbsup
i tend to agree that Vickery will benefit from the new rule but not Ivan so much. Vickery's direction when palming the ball is pretty good when he gets first hand to it. His problem is that he doesn't get first hand to the ball often enough. With less wrestling, I think he'll become a better round the ground ruckman.
Sorry, out of the loop a bit, do we have another new rule for ruckmen???
New season new rules - no contact until the ball leaves the umpires hands next year. http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/interchange-cap-gets-oneyear-reprieve-20121016-27oll.html
Thanks mate..
Message to AFL..
LEAVE THE BLOODY GAME ALONE!!!!
No Excuses >:( >:(
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Griffiths could actually become a very good second ruckman now that height and leap is more of a factor than size. The new rule will hurt us next year imo. Big Ivan is good at wrestling and out positioning his opponent to get the ball down to our mids. With the ew rule players like Nic Nat, Sandilands and Jacobs will dominate further as they will be able to jump over stationary opponents (Nic Nat) or use their reach exclusively. Ivan is not a tall man in comparison to these ruckman and will have to block their run to compete.
Conversely, this is why Griffiths, with springs in his knees but with little size about him, could benefits from the rule. Vickery possibly too. :thumbsup
i tend to agree that Vickery will benefit from the new rule but not Ivan so much. Vickery's direction when palming the ball is pretty good when he gets first hand to it. His problem is that he doesn't get first hand to the ball often enough. With less wrestling, I think he'll become a better round the ground ruckman.
Sorry, out of the loop a bit, do we have another new rule for ruckmen???
New season new rules - no contact until the ball leaves the umpires hands next year. http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/interchange-cap-gets-oneyear-reprieve-20121016-27oll.html
Thanks mate..
Message to AFL..
LEAVE THE BLOODY GAME ALONE!!!!
No Excuses >:( >:(
Pathetic, honestly, we must be the only code in the world that has as many rule changes, I would love to see a comparison...Go to it keyboard geeks!! ;D
The Government doesn't even pass as many bills through the senate each year..FFS.
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Agree WAT. Too much unnecessary tinkerin with our game.
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Griffiths could actually become a very good second ruckman now that height and leap is more of a factor than size. The new rule will hurt us next year imo. Big Ivan is good at wrestling and out positioning his opponent to get the ball down to our mids. With the ew rule players like Nic Nat, Sandilands and Jacobs will dominate further as they will be able to jump over stationary opponents (Nic Nat) or use their reach exclusively. Ivan is not a tall man in comparison to these ruckman and will have to block their run to compete.
Conversely, this is why Griffiths, with springs in his knees but with little size about him, could benefits from the rule. Vickery possibly too. :thumbsup
i tend to agree that Vickery will benefit from the new rule but not Ivan so much. Vickery's direction when palming the ball is pretty good when he gets first hand to it. His problem is that he doesn't get first hand to the ball often enough. With less wrestling, I think he'll become a better round the ground ruckman.
Sorry, out of the loop a bit, do we have another new rule for ruckmen???
New season new rules - no contact until the ball leaves the umpires hands next year. http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/interchange-cap-gets-oneyear-reprieve-20121016-27oll.html
Thanks mate..
Message to AFL..
LEAVE THE BLOODY GAME ALONE!!!!
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Agree WAT. Too much unnecessary tinkerin with our game.
Please someone combine that photo with Edwards face and body!!
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Really disappointed in Tommy Derrickx - thought he would have some impact given his intensity in the contest - but does not have the tank or the nous to win the ball consistantly. Hopefully there is development in him as yet - as he struggled at VFL level and only got a game last year due to injuries and poor team management
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Did Derick x not come into the game late?
Local league - wafl - AFL.
Reckon he should be given time. He can tackle and is somewhat agile.
Edit: offensive remark removed
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Did Derick x not come into the game late?
Local league - wafl - AFL.
Reckon he should be given time. He can tackle and is somewhat agile.
Edit: offensive remark removed
That's really disrespectful. To Graham and people with down syndrome.
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Has anyone got a list and report on ruckmen available in state leagues and during the draft. Be interesting to see what is out there.
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May seem like a left field one but could we go after John Griffin from Freo? Is he contracted? He seems pretty good and gets little game time with freo. Hate to think what we would have to give up in trade? Maybe we could offer McGuane and Jackson?
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May seem like a left field one but could we go after John Griffin from Freo? Is he contracted? He seems pretty good and gets little game time with freo. Hate to think what we would have to give up in trade? Maybe we could offer McGuane and Jackson?
Not sure, haven't seen much of him myself....
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May seem like a left field one but could we go after John Griffin from Freo? Is he contracted? He seems pretty good and gets little game time with freo. Hate to think what we would have to give up in trade? Maybe we could offer McGuane and Jackson?
Not sure, haven't seen much of him myself....
I had him in my Supercoach, he was pretty awesome when he could actually get a game.
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May seem like a left field one but could we go after John Griffin from Freo? Is he contracted? He seems pretty good and gets little game time with freo. Hate to think what we would have to give up in trade? Maybe we could offer McGuane and Jackson?
Not sure, haven't seen much of him myself....
I had him in my Supercoach, he was pretty awesome when he could actually get a game.
Cool, well maybe we should have a look at him..
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May seem like a left field one but could we go after John Griffin from Freo? Is he contracted? He seems pretty good and gets little game time with freo. Hate to think what we would have to give up in trade? Maybe we could offer McGuane and Jackson?
Not sure, haven't seen much of him myself....
I had him in my Supercoach, he was pretty awesome when he could actually get a game.
Cool, well maybe we should have a look at him..
He's contracted and the only reason he went to Freo is because he wanted to go back to W.A. He only left Adelaide 2 seasons ago....Again he would be a player we would have to pay overs for to get him :whistle
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I'm really warming to Liam McBean with one of our 30's picks.
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I am just warming to any ruckman at this stage...
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I am just warming to any ruckman at this stage...
Should we call Gus back?? :shh
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I am just warming to any ruckman at this stage...
Should we call Gus back?? :shh
:lol....well I for one was not convinced trading him was that smart, I would of been happier to see him go for a replacement ruckman. Time will tell I suppose, I just don't like going into the season with one ruckman.....proven ruckman... :-\
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when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
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when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
This was the first year in a long time we've even had one. :whistle
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when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
Last year. But in 2010 we had a trio of gods. Simmo, Gussy and Browne :bow
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when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
Yes but how long can we sustain it with the game getting faster??
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when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
Last year. But in 2010 we had a trio of gods. Simmo, Gussy and Browne :bow
I guess al walked into that by not stating proven to be good. ;D
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when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
Last year. But in 2010 we had a trio of gods. Simmo, Gussy and Browne :bow
I guess al walked into that by not stating proven to be good. ;D
:lol
when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
Yes but how long can we sustain it with the game getting faster??
untill maric breaks down ;D
the difficulty is recruiting another proven ruckmen on the promise he will get a game if maric does break down.
as in a thread i started a while back, i believe the benefits of playing two ruckmen and rotating them off the bench outweigh the negatives. As it is now your second ruckman has to be able to hold down a position as a forward
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when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
Last year. But in 2010 we had a trio of gods. Simmo, Gussy and Browne :bow
I guess al walked into that by not stating proven to be good. ;D
:lol
when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
Yes but how long can we sustain it with the game getting faster??
untill maric breaks down ;D
the difficulty is recruiting another proven ruckmen on the promise he will get a game if maric does maric does break down.
as in a thread i started a while back, i believe the benefits of playing two ruckmen and rotating them off the bench outweigh the negatives. As it is now your second ruckman has to be able to hold down a position as a forward
Totally agree!
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Cameron Wood has been delisted by the Pies.
Not that I want him at Richmond :help but according to the media we were looking at him during the trade period.
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someone get him drunk and leave him in the city
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Cameron wood would be great rookie
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cameron wood is gus graham's my little pony
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I.wanted him instead of pattison or polo.
Would like both rambling and wood rookie listed
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:thatsgold :thatsgold
cameron wood is gus graham's my little pony
:thatsgold :ROTFL
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cameron wood is gus graham's my little pony
Cameron would be happy with that, evolving from Micks Rigadoon Gang
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Has anyone got a list and report on ruckmen available in state leagues and during the draft. Be interesting to see what is out there.
have mentioned jack hannath several times could possibly step up straight away.. cameron symonds not ready 20 21 yo will take a few yrs to develop.
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Has anyone got a list and report on ruckmen available in state leagues and during the draft. Be interesting to see what is out there.
have mentioned jack hannath several times could possibly step up straight away.. cameron symonds not ready 20 21 yo will take a few yrs to develop.
Well I don't think we can afford a developing ruckman now, we need someone who can play immediately.
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cameron wood is gus graham's my little pony
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/Smileys/default/clapping.gif bravo sir.....bravo....
Hoping TV's shoulders are ok as that gives us a forward/ruck option...still only young and developing his rucking skills - fingers crossed that 2012 was an aberration and he continues the spike from 2011
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cameron wood is gus graham's my little pony
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/Smileys/default/clapping.gif bravo sir.....bravo....
Hoping TV's shoulders are ok as that gives us a forward/ruck option...still only young and developing his rucking skills - fingers crossed that 2012 was an aberration and he continues the spike from 2011
He is still in the rehab group....that's a worry!!
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We need a monster forward who can support in the ruck.
Can Vickery put some bulk on, lift his intensity at the ball and start playing like a man aka Johnathan Brown?
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when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
Last year. But in 2010 we had a trio of gods. Simmo, Gussy and Browne :bow
I guess al walked into that by not stating proven to be good. ;D
:lol
when was last time we went into a season with more that one proven ruckman?
Yes but how long can we sustain it with the game getting faster??
untill maric breaks down ;D
the difficulty is recruiting another proven ruckmen on the promise he will get a game if maric does break down.
as in a thread i started a while back, i believe the benefits of playing two ruckmen and rotating them off the bench outweigh the negatives. As it is now your second ruckman has to be able to hold down a position as a forward
i agree al. lots of clubs do play two ruckmen. i reckon the key is yoiur ruckmen can no longer be a dinosaur. i think the best ruckmen today are the ones who become big bodied inside players after the ruckwork with their secnd and third efforts ottens comes straight to mind hudson is a plodder but very very effective in this way.
besides i dont think the game is getting any faster if two subs ever does come in i reckon it will get slower. im yet to see anything to suggest two ruckmen are a liability the opposite in fact.
Has anyone got a list and report on ruckmen available in state leagues and during the draft. Be interesting to see what is out there.
have mentioned jack hannath several times could possibly step up straight away.. cameron symonds not ready 20 21 yo will take a few yrs to develop.
Well I don't think we can afford a developing ruckman now, we need someone who can play immediately.
hannath while young has played all yr against decent opposition in the sanfl he would give more than wood or derickx imo and at 21 he has upside. hes a good size but how do you say while having the weight at about 104kg doesnt have the definition just yet but a preseason at an afl club would go a long way to fix that.
look i could be barking up the wrong tree i havent seen him live but what i have seen i really like it may be hes no good but worth a try imo. against men hes been more than competetive at sanfl level if ivan got hurt he could provide a pretty decent option and he has upside to develop.
he does well in the ruck but needs to develop his around the ground game get a bit more ball take more marks etc.
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Can Vickery put some bulk on, lift his intensity at the ball and start playing like a man aka Johnathan Brown?
He has, he did and a stupid comparison. He is a completely different player to Brown. ::) Why don't you go and have a face to face with Ty about him not playing like a man and see what the result is. I think you might be surprised Keyboard hero.
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besides i dont think the game is getting any faster if two subs ever does come in i reckon it will get slower. im yet to see anything to suggest two ruckmen are a liability the opposite in fact.
I agree 100% with you on this Claw. :thumbsup
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You can't play two ruckmn with one resting on the bench.
It means you will lose rotations as the other side has an extra mids.
Ruckman.who can't play forward won't get.drafted much
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Who said you have to rest them on the bench? They don't need or shouldn't get any more bench time than other onballers because they can have a strong, even profound influence on the game by resting down back or up forward, depending on their particular skill sets and the team needs at the time. I don't think many modern coaches have thought it through properly yet but Longmire and Worsfold certainly see an advantage and I reckon others will go down that path soon as well.
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You can't play two ruckmn with one resting on the bench.
It means you will lose rotations as the other side has an extra mids.
Ruckman.who can't play forward won't get.drafted much
Why not?
why should a ruckman be expected to run at around 90% game time and small bloke 80%
The work load you would take off just one bloke would be shared amongst many.
The key is that all midfielders (including ruckman) need to be able to rotate through the forward line as well
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Probably a load of garbage as he hasn't appeared in any training photos or permission to train lists but apparently someone on SEN a couple of days ago claimed Cameron Wood is training with us.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/cameron-wood-training-with-tigers.980429/
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Probably a load of garbage as he hasn't appeared in any training photos or permission to train lists but apparently someone on SEN a couple of days ago claimed Cameron Wood is training with us.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/cameron-wood-training-with-tigers.980429/
Well Petterd has confirmed he has been invited to train with us, so how may rookies could we pick up?
Maybe that would be the only way OE
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Probably a load of garbage as he hasn't appeared in any training photos or permission to train lists but apparently someone on SEN a couple of days ago claimed Cameron Wood is training with us.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/cameron-wood-training-with-tigers.980429/
Cam Wood was at the baseball on Friday night, didn't think to ask him ...sorry
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Woos upgrade on Angus
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Woos upgrade on Angus
how can gus's bitch be an upgrade on gus?
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Woos upgrade on Angus
how can gus's bitch be an upgrade on gus?
Took the words right off my keyboard....
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It's like saying Zac Dawson is an upgrade on....anyone
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It's like saying Zac Dawson is an upgrade on....anyone
in the air dawson would be an upgrade on rance. :o in fact purely in a defensive sense id take dawson over rance atm. hopefully that can change.
i watched a few of our games the other day richmond carlton one of them, i was gobsmacked how times rance missed the ball in the air or was out of position or bloody fell over and iwas critical of this thru the yr it seemed worse second time around.
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Spot the difference? ..... comparing Wood and Graham statistically ...
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=5&pid1=1501&tid2=15&pid2=1678&type=A&fid1=C&fid2=C
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Rucks Cameron Wood and Orren Stephenson are training with us.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/150993/default.aspx
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Not saying he was good this year but I'd rather have the Big O than Wood. I remember that first quarter against Hawthorn this year where Geelong destroyed the Hawks out of the middle with Stephenson in the ruck. Mind you he went missing after that lol as the Hawks came back to just fall short against the Cats.
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None of them thank you!
Pass and Pass!
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Geez how bad they must think Gus was to replace him with these spuds.
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Yarra drinking spicks :banghead
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Thought I could safely put this in the bin but sadly NO
Terrific, just terrific TM
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Thought I could safely put this in the bin but sadly NO
Terrific, just terrific TM
:lol
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The AFL backup ruck stocks must be at an all time low :o
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A big NO to the Big O...man this clapped out second rate bum wasnt even that good at vfl level in 2012.
It wasn't too long ago that wood was one of the hottest properties going around, twice drafted in the first round...he just could be on the cusp of flourishing into the player everyone thought he would. Born a mad tiger, punt rd might be the place to harness this unbridled colt....lets do it i say :clapping
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A big NO to the Big O...man this clapped out second rate bum wasnt even that good at vfl level in 2012.
It wasn't too long ago that wood was one of the hottest properties going around, twice drafted in the first round...he just could be on the cusp of flourishing into the player everyone thought he would. Born a mad tiger, punt rd might be the place to harness this unbridled colt....lets do it i say :clapping
I thought he was the only ruckman ever that Gus monstered. :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop
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terrific list management just terrific. is this the best they can come up with. we are paying these blokes way too much if so.
time to lock vickery in the gym with a side of beef and demand he step into the role he was recruited for.
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terrific list management just terrific. is this the best they can come up with. we are paying these blokes way too much if so.
time to lock vickery in the gym with a side of beef and demand he step into the role he was recruited for.
I expect Vickery will ruck quite a bit this year, IF he's past the reccurent shoulder problems.
Maybe he's not..
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We need more support than just vickery, im not against wood as a rookie...what worries me is stphenson is seen as next best option :huh
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WTF has wood ever done that could make people think he is a good option?
Bending over for the turtle? anything else?
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We need more support than just vickery, im not against wood as a rookie...what worries me is stphenson is seen as next best option :huh
Slim pickings for seasoned ruckmen out there. Who would have thought Gus would have gotten a gig?!?
A lot have mentioned Seaby as an alternative option but he's obviously done.
Whoever they choose as a 'backup', hopefully Ivan stays fit that's all I can say...
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WTF has wood ever done that could make people think he is a good option?
Bending over for the turtle? anything else?
Wood's stats are only slightly worse than Gus even though Gus was number 1 ruck for a season. Wood is also taller and cheaper than Gus, and will be off the main list. He took a good mark in the goal square once and is probably a better ruckman than Patto, who we took before him in the 2004 draft. There are plenty of things that make him a good option if you set the bar low enough. :lol
But yeah, the pickings for ruckmen prepared to be rookie listed on minimum wage seem pretty thin when you consider Gus was one of the better VFL ruckmen and worth a 10 pick upgrade in the draft. The alternatives seem to be to scour country footy - might find someone more heart than Wood but probably less talent, but hopefully they are at least considering those options.
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We're not going to get a star to come and play at Coburg behind Maric and Vickery. I'd take Wood as a rookie. He's better than Gus.
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no hes not
gus makes him wear a gimp suit when they meet
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When you think about it we need another poo ruckman to trade to Adelaide when they realise Gus left his heart back home.
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no hes not
gus makes him wear a gimp suit when they meet
:thumbsup
Short memory some of these guys. Gus killed it in the VFL and played some very handy games for us in 09, '10 and his finish to 2011 wasn't bad. It's probably why Craig Cameron gave him 3 years for 400k a season. 400k to play at Coburg :lol But hey, Craig never makes a decision by himself
To quote a good man "You don't negotiate with Craig Cameron. Instead you go into a room and tell him what you want and he gives it to you" :outtahere
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Not sure about Wood. Never made an impression at Collingwood.
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Tigers throw back-up lifeline to ruckmen Cameron Wood and Orren Stephenson
by: Greg Denham
From: The Australian November 13, 2012 12:00AM
RICHMOND is considering giving another chance to either Cameron Wood or Orren Stephenson via next month's rookie draft.
Both ruckmen hit career crossroads last month when they were cast adrift by their clubs.
Wood, 25, was cut by Collingwood after five years, while Stephenson, 30, was recruited by Geelong as a mature-age selection at No 78 overall in last year's national draft.
Both big men have been spoken to by coach Damien Hardwick about the possibility of joining the Tigers as a back-up ruckman to Ivan Maric and Ty Vickery, and will be invited to train with the Tigers before the rookie draft on December 11.
And former Gold Coast defender Josh Toy has also been given permission by the AFL to be put through his paces with Richmond leading up to Christmas.
Stephenson was recruited from VFL club North Ballarat and played a support role in most of his eight senior games, but more than held his own as the club's No 1 big man in the Cats' win against Hawthorn in round 19 at the MCG.
He was sacrificed when Geelong decided to recruit talented ruckman Hamish McIntosh from North Melbourne on a three-year contract during last month's player-exchange period.
Wood, who started his career at Brisbane where he played 16 games in three seasons after being taken in the first round of the 2004 national draft, played another 48 matches for the Magpies, including six this year.
After trading Angus Graham to Adelaide last month, the only other ruckman currently at Punt Road is Tom Derickx, who has been on Richmond's list for two years and is contracted until the end of next year.
Derickx, 25, made his debut this year, but played only two games before returning to the VFL.
An Achilles tendon injury will prevent former Melbourne forward Ricky Petterd from training with Richmond over the next few weeks, but the Tigers will still consider him in the rookie draft.
Petterd, 24, was delisted by the Demons last month after kicking 55 goals in 54 games.
Petterd has overcome several setbacks in his career, but none more serious than when his life was threatening by a collapsed lung against Carlton in 2007.
Richmond players will start serious pre-season programs this week, with only Brett Deledio (knee), recruit Troy Chaplin (knee) and Jake King missing or on restricted work due to surgery.
The Tigers will use their first four national draft selections - picks four, 32, 34 and 42 - on Thursday week on the Gold Coast.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-throw-back-up-lifeline-to-ruckmen-cameron-wood-and-orren-stephenson/story-fnca0u4y-1226515412950
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I would take Wood of those two.
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no hes not
gus makes him wear a gimp suit when they meet
Gus may have beaten him last time as you say, but that doesnt make him a better player overall. Agree to disagree I guess. Again, I am realistic about the quality of back-up ruckmen who will be happy to come and play all year at Coburg. Unless we have someone lined up from the state leagues then personally I would take Wood.
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Wood is a more skillful player to Gus.
Wouldn't.be a.bad rookie pick.
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Would take Wood as rookie buyt rookie only
If we are intending to take 4 kids with our Nat Draft picks then mature aged rookies are where we are headed
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I'd take toy I. National draft :o
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Would take Wood as rookie buyt rookie only
If we are intending to take 4 kids with our Nat Draft picks then mature aged rookies are where we are headed
So I guess you and Ma Powell won't be inviting Orren over for a lamb roast anytime soon? ;D
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I'd take toy I. National draft :o
Now that would be a story!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/w1fmro.jpg)
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;D
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I'd take toy I. National draft :o
Now that would be a story!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/w1fmro.jpg)
:lol :thumbsup
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I'd take toy I. National draft :o
Now that would be a story!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/w1fmro.jpg)
Classic tiga! :thatsgold :biglaugh :rollin
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The reaction to our 4th option in the ruck after the trade and national draft a little hysterical and girlish (apologies to the girls who might say their reaction to cold play not doing an encore is one eyed richmondish Ruckman thread)
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So I guess you and Ma Powell won't be inviting Orren over for a lamb roast anytime soon? ;D
Would love to tiga, gee how we'd love too :'( but no matriarch means it just wouldn't be the same. Was the most wonderful cook of a roast was Ma Powell :thumbsup
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Slim pickings for seasoned ruckmen out there. Who would have thought Gus would have gotten a gig?!?
A lot have mentioned Seaby as an alternative option but he's obviously done.
Whoever they choose as a 'backup', hopefully Ivan stays fit that's all I can say...
And to continue in the same vein as Seaby, I note that Brogan has been delisted by GWS Giants.
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We're going to need to give Trent or Troy a call because these options are not good. Not at all :outtahere
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Get Toy and Petterd!
Stuff Wood or Owen!
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Getting Graham - one poor ruckman off the senior list and getting wood , another poor ruckman into the rookie list would be in its self a significant list improvement.
Moreso given the pick upgrade.
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Oh Tiga, that is FANtastic.
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Gun ruckman in Tigers' sights
RICHMOND could find itself in the box seat to recruit Brodie Grundy, the best young ruckman in the country, at next week's NAB AFL Draft.
And even if Greater Western Sydney doesn't select the South Australian big man with one of its first three picks, it is also a chance to land him later in the draft.
more...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151073/default.aspx
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Gun ruckman in Tigers' sights
RICHMOND could find itself in the box seat to recruit Brodie Grundy, the best young ruckman in the country, at next week's NAB AFL Draft.
And even if Greater Western Sydney doesn't select the South Australian big man with one of its first three picks, it is also a chance to land him later in the draft.
more...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151073/default.aspx
Hrmm do we prefer Vlastuin?
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Gun ruckman in Tigers' sights
RICHMOND could find itself in the box seat to recruit Brodie Grundy, the best young ruckman in the country, at next week's NAB AFL Draft.
And even if Greater Western Sydney doesn't select the South Australian big man with one of its first three picks, it is also a chance to land him later in the draft.
more...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151073/default.aspx
Hrmm do we prefer Vlastuin?
We'll probably pick him, as I'm less keen on him than the other possibles. Doesn't have any glaring weaknesses, but doesn't have any 'x-factor' traits either. Just a really safe and solid pick IMO. Happy to hear the opinion of someone else though who has seen him more than I have?
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Grundy would set up our ruck stocks for the next 10-12 years :o, I know were singing out for midfield depth but IMO there are still plenty workhorse mids available with our next 3 picks. We would be foolish to pass up on this kid..........Maric, Grundy, Vickery and Elton there's the future right there ;D
Grundy Highlights for those who haven't seen them.....
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/392333/brodie-grundy-2011-highlights/
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If we get Grundy he would want home in a year or two, most are doing that now....painful but true.
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Grundy would set up our ruck stocks for the next 10-12 years :o, I know were singing out for midfield depth but IMO there are still plenty workhorse mids available with our next 3 picks. We would be foolish to pass up on this kid..........Maric, Grundy, Vickery and Elton there's the future right there ;D
Grundy Highlights for those who haven't seen them.....
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/392333/brodie-grundy-2011-highlights/
Agreed. Best available is the clubs motto and if Grundy is there at 9 we will pick him up unless somehow miraculously Macrae is still available. JVT I'm not sold on Vlastuin. I think we need a bit of x_factor to get us over the line in the close ones.
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Grundy would set up our ruck stocks for the next 10-12 years :o, I know were singing out for midfield depth but IMO there are still plenty workhorse mids available with our next 3 picks. We would be foolish to pass up on this kid..........Maric, Grundy, Vickery and Elton there's the future right there ;D
Grundy Highlights for those who haven't seen them.....
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/392333/brodie-grundy-2011-highlights/
Agreed. Best available is the clubs motto and if Grundy is there at 9 we will pick him up unless somehow miraculously Macrae is still available. JVT I'm not sold on Vlastuin. I think we need a bit of x_factor to get us over the line in the close ones.
Agree with you 100%, I'm not keen on Vlastuin either considering who else will be available. Doesn't have that X-Factor. He is good at everything, not excellent and no glaring weaknesses. The others (Grundy, Macrae, Stringer and Garner) all have that X factor about them and are preferred in my books over Vlastuin. My order of best available would go like this (in terms of who has been rumoured to 'slip' to 9):
Grundy
Macrae
Stringer (below Macrae due to attitude and the broken leg he suffered last year)
Mayes
Garner
Membrey /Vlastuin
If Grundy is there, he is an absolute must. Would be more than please, if he is taken, we pick up one of Macrae, Stringer, Mayes and Garner over Vlastuin. I like Membrey as well, has a bit of Jack Darling about him.
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If we get Grundy he would want home in a year or two, most are doing that now....painful but true.
WAT, they want to return to VIC and WA, not to SA :thumbsup
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If we get Grundy he would want home in a year or two, most are doing that now....painful but true.
WAT, they want to return to VIC and WA, not to SA :thumbsup
Just give him a lifetime supply FUIC's and Frog cakes and he'll be cherry ripe. :thumbsup
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If we get Grundy he would want home in a year or two, most are doing that now....painful but true.
WAT, they want to return to VIC and WA, not to SA :thumbsup
:lol :thumbsup
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If we get Grundy he would want home in a year or two, most are doing that now....painful but true.
WAT, they want to return to VIC and WA, not to SA :thumbsup
Just give him a lifetime supply FUIC's and Frog cakes and he'll be cherry ripe. :thumbsup
Tell you what, I'll throw the minda a lifetime supply of double cut rolls and he can eat it while leaning on a stogie pole on punt rd. bunta!
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If we get Grundy he would want home in a year or two, most are doing that now....painful but true.
WAT, they want to return to VIC and WA, not to SA :thumbsup
Just give him a lifetime supply FUIC's and Frog cakes and he'll be cherry ripe. :thumbsup
Tell you what, I'll throw the minda a lifetime supply of double cut rolls and he can eat it while leaning on a stogie pole on punt rd. bunta!
And I'll supply the pie floaters :cheers :cheers :chuck :chuck
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Cam Wood and Orren Stephenson at training today ..
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/68254_10151259395048276_1346675263_n.jpg)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151259395048276&set=a.10151259392213276.489352.298686323275&type=3&theater
(http://commercial.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2012/11/16/272776.jpg)
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202012%20Training%20-%20Richmond%20161112
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Reg Grundy could be the answer
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Cam Wood and Orren Stephenson at training today ..
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/68254_10151259395048276_1346675263_n.jpg)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151259395048276&set=a.10151259392213276.489352.298686323275&type=3&theater
(http://commercial.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2012/11/16/272776.jpg)
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202012%20Training%20-%20Richmond%20161112
Grundy would eat them alive...now.
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They've both got the poopoo face
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Orren Stephenson looks like a guy that accidentally injures team mates at training. Apart from that I would take him as a reserve ruckman. I'd be happy with either of them actually. I'd go as far as to say I would have delisted Dericx and taken them both.
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*If we don't get Grundy, which I don't think we will.
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Orren Stephenson looks like a guy that accidentally injures team mates at training.
haha!
I reckon he looks like an oafish version of Batch.
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Orren Stephenson looks like a guy that accidentally injures team mates at training.
haha!
I reckon he looks like an oafish version of Batch.
Hahaha. Maybe an oafish love brother of batch and brownE :shh
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WAT do you believe they don't have a plan re: back up ruckman
I would be amazed if they go into Round 1 with derickx as the only back up
they have someone else in mind i just dont know who
Hey Daniel, be prepared to be amazed....
Do they know who it is....are you sure??
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Still think we are really one more very good ruck option away from becoming a dominant side, jut one more.....think we could of gone harder in the trade/free agency period..
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Still think we are really one more very good ruck option away from becoming a dominant side, jut one more.....think we could of gone harder in the trade/free agency period..
I think the problem was there just wasn't anything out there! I'm not to upset with our ruck stocks but we will probally need to recruit another young developer next season to keep the ball rolling.
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Still think we are really one more very good ruck option away from becoming a dominant side, jut one more.....think we could of gone harder in the trade/free agency period..
I think the problem was there just wasn't anything out there! I'm not to upset with our ruck stocks but we will probally need to recruit another young developer next season to keep the ball rolling.
I think next year we need to get an experienced 23-24 year old if there is one around.
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Still think we are really one more very good ruck option away from becoming a dominant side, jut one more.....think we could of gone harder in the trade/free agency period..
I think the problem was there just wasn't anything out there! I'm not to upset with our ruck stocks but we will probally need to recruit another young developer next season to keep the ball rolling.
I think next year we need to get an experienced 23-24 year old if there is one around.
yeah, nah.......its a catch 22, will really depend on how Vickery and Elton go this year, the only thing I think we really lack is a developing pure ruckman, we have a plethora of developing mobil ruckman that can play forward and back but nothing in the mold of a good big bodied pure ruckman. Maybe there will be no place in the game for this style of player in 5 years time who knows.....
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coach knows, he's a ruck guru
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coach knows, he's a ruck guru
We have two very good ruckman. The other one is there for all to see when he does his ruck work