One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 26, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
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Okay we've had an hour or so for everything to sink in. How did we all rate Richmond's trade/free agency period?
* Chris Knights (free agent)
* Troy Chaplin (free agent)
* Pick 43 (was 40) for Angus Graham and pick 53 (was 50)
* Aaron Edwards for pick 74
In: Chris Knights, Troy Chaplin, Aaron Edwards, pick 43
Out: Angus Graham, pick 53, pick 74.
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Very impressed.
With no standout star on the trade table we had to try and bleed a stone for:
Need of a KP backman with experience.
Depth in forwardline with an experience KP player and a medium forward that can play midfield.
Depth in ruck stock in case Maric goes down and ship out tried ruckman.
We ticked all those boxes except for covering a I.Maric injury.
Whilst the players we got aren't in the top 10 in the comp, they are solid trades in comparison to the competition.
We lost Graham and pick 74 and, upgraded pick 53 to 43
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Knights, Chaplin and Edwards.
We've won out of it massively.
Is the job done yet? No.
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Herald-Sun gave us 7 out of 10....
RICHMOND
IN: Chris Knights (Adelaide), Troy Chaplin (Port Adelaide), Aaron Edwards (North Melbourne)
OUT: Angus Graham (Adelaide)
DRAFT PICKS: 9, 32, 34, 43, 92, 110, 128
VERDICT: Chaplin is a good needs-based get who will slot straight in. We can debate the impact of Knights and Edwards, but the fact is the Tigers have effectively got three players in the door for nothing and kept their top 10 draft pick.
RATING: 7/10
Herald-Sun rating (out of 10)
Geelong 9
Coll'wood 8.5
GWS 8.5
Essendon 8
Gold Coast 7
Hawthorn 7
Richmond 7
West Coast 6.5
Brisbane 6
Fremantle 6
Melbourne 6
St Kilda 6
W.Bulldogs 6
North Melb. 5
Port Adel. 5
Carlton 4
Sydney 3
Adelaide 1
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/afl-trades-how-did-your-club-fair/story-e6frf9io-1226503964556
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And from the Age:
Richmond
THE SKINNY: Coach Damien Hardwick said his recruiting team would again be aggressive, believing it had hit the mark with players such as Ivan Maric, Shaun Grigg and Bachar Houli in recent years. The Tigers would like to think they have again done well, grabbing Port Adelaide key defender Troy Chaplin, former Crows forward Chris Knights and North Melbourne's Aaron Edwards, who fell out of favour at Arden Street. The Tigers needed experience in defence and believe Chaplin can be the man to assist Alex Rance. Sent reserve ruckman Angus Graham and a round-three selection to Adelaide in return for a second-round selection.
VERDICT: Were active early, identifying Chaplin and Knights as players that could fill a specific role in a similar manner to what Sydney has successfully done. How Edwards fits into the forward mix will be interesting.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-trading--club-by-club-20121026-28a91.html#ixzz2ANaldtnF
And the AFL site:
RICHMOND
In: Troy Chaplin (Port Adelaide), Chris Knights (Adelaide), Aaron Edwards (North Melbourne), draft selection 43
Out: Angus Graham (Adelaide); Dean McDonald, Brad Miller, Kelvin Moore (retired); Andrew Browne, Jeromey Webberley, Dan Connors (delisted); Addam Maric, Piva Wright, Gibson Turner (delisted rookies); draft selection 50, 74
Draft selections: 9, 32, 34, 43, 92, 110, 128
Damian Barrett's trade take: "Pretty much everything worked out the way they planned for it to."
What they need: The Tigers wanted a third marking forward, hence their decision to grab North Melbourne's Aaron Edwards late in the trade period. Their decision to offload Graham and Browne means they're likely to pick up a young ruckman to bring on behind Maric, Vickery and Derickx. They could also do with a tough and skillful half-back, hence the links with 2012 Vic Metro captain Nick Vlastuin, who is expected to go around the mark of Richmond's first pick. Even with the recruitment of Chaplin, the ranks of tall defenders are thin. They're likely to draft young and attempt to develop a young monster.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150271/default.aspx
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Geelong 9
Coll'wood 8.5
GWS 8.5
Essendon 8
Gold Coast 7
Hawthorn 7
Richmond 7
West Coast 6.5
Brisbane 6
Fremantle 6
Melbourne 6
St Kilda 6
W.Bulldogs 6
North Melb. 5
Port Adel. 5
Carlton 4
Sydney 3
Adelaide 1
We're in the Eight! :dancing
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1.5
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They could also do with a tough and skillful half-back, hence the links with 2012 Vic Metro captain Nick Vlastuin,
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150271/default.aspx
I was told he wasn't a backman
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Reckon we got the Free Agency side of things right
Did exceptionally well moving on Graham and getting pick 43 in return = big win
Disappointed we couldn't trade out a couple of "cloggers" (though we can still de-list ;D) but then again not surprised that no one was interested
Edwards has literally cost us nothing as we handed over a pick we were never going to use
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posy and mcguane were shopped around but no-one wanted them
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posy and mcguane were shopped around but no-one wanted them
Says it all really. Give both the option of a cheap 1 year contract or it's goodbye. Although I reckon Post will be delisted in any case.
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posy and mcguane were shopped around but no-one wanted them
Says it all really. Give both the option of a cheap 1 year contract or it's goodbye. Although I reckon Post will be delisted in any case.
I have no clue whether they will or wont delist Post or McGuane. Given we want depth then you'd think we'd keep them both but neither are great shakes so if we dropped them meh! Are we gonna get any better options from pick 120? I doubt it.
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posy and mcguane were shopped around but no-one wanted them
Exactly :-\
And exactly my point ;D
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with magoo suposedly being offered a contract i doubt he will be delisted.
browne delisted and gus moved on probably saves derickx.
that leaves either post or white, assuming one will go to get the 4 ND picks( which may have changed.)
Post being younger and the recruitment of edwards and knights leaves white as the most probable to get the big A.
edwards seems to be an afterthought though, so it may mean we only use 3 picks, which would in effect mean we gave up pick 43(?) for him.
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They could also do with a tough and skillful half-back, hence the links with 2012 Vic Metro captain Nick Vlastuin,
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150271/default.aspx
I was told he wasn't a backman
He sure isn't. He's a Tuck clone with a good kick.
Played HBF in Champs because he had an ankle injury so couldn't run as a full time mid. May have also done it to display an outside game to recruiters. But he is a tough as nails inside mid.
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with magoo suposedly being offered a contract i doubt he will be delisted.
browne delisted and gus moved on probably saves derickx.
that leaves either post or white, assuming one will go to get the 4 ND picks( which may have changed.)
Post being younger and the recruitment of edwards and knights leaves white as the most probable to get the big A.
edwards seems to be an afterthought though, so it may mean we only use 3 picks, which would in effect mean we gave up pick 43(?) for him.
The easiest and most common sense option is to put Newman on veterans list
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with magoo suposedly being offered a contract i doubt he will be delisted.
browne delisted and gus moved on probably saves derickx.
that leaves either post or white, assuming one will go to get the 4 ND picks( which may have changed.)
Post being younger and the recruitment of edwards and knights leaves white as the most probable to get the big A.
edwards seems to be an afterthought though, so it may mean we only use 3 picks, which would in effect mean we gave up pick 43(?) for him.
But seeing like McGuane; White has been offered a contract too then using your argument al that only leaves Post doesn't it ;) ;D
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forgot white had been offered a contract, but i think the mad one is on the money.
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forgot white had been offered a contract, but i think the mad one is on the money.
Sadly it would seem so :-\
Suppose we will know next week
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As expected for mine, Edwards a bit of a surprise but no big names and no ruckman....good to get Chaplin though and if Knights can stay injury free we could really benefit from these two additions.
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I would have loved toi have secured a R2 selection for Post apart from that it was a spendid period , we bolstered our starting line up no end :clapping
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with magoo suposedly being offered a contract i doubt he will be delisted.
browne delisted and gus moved on probably saves derickx.
that leaves either post or white, assuming one will go to get the 4 ND picks( which may have changed.)
Post being younger and the recruitment of edwards and knights leaves white as the most probable to get the big A.
edwards seems to be an afterthought though, so it may mean we only use 3 picks, which would in effect mean we gave up pick 43(?) for him.
The easiest and most common sense option is to put Newman on veterans list
no the easiest and most common sense thing to do would be cut white. a 7 yr player who is still not established is ordinary shkill wise hardly touches the ball and is very limited in what roles he can perform. who is now a long way back in the que for the role he does do making him not even a depth player.
he might be a nice bloke and he might be a good club man but we arent running a charity here there is not one good footy reason to keep him.
the rookie numbers get pruned back this yr i believe. placing newman there limits what we planned to do in taking some mature players who can perform a role.
darrou, verrier, simon and newman would give us just two rookie picks of which one at least im sure we will use on a mature ruckman. that would leave just one pick and im sorry to say there are many many better players out there than white we could use with this rookie pick yet alone keeping him and not useing pick 43.
i hope they wake up to themselves.
just lately it seems we take 2 steps forward and then one step backwards with crappy list decisions,
the way i look at it do we keep matt white who is as plain as the nose on your face a dud and there is no practicle reason to keep him, lowrie towers hrovat pongracic are just three off the top of my head who could slip to here. or use pick 43. its a no brainer. imo some very promising kids will be available at 43. nick rodda a kpd could be at43 we could actually do with another genuine kpd. we could pay overs here and take jack hannath ensuring we have a viable young back up ruckman to ivan. dean kent marvin warrell are two west aussies well worth taking here.
if we keep white and fail to use pick 43 we should all be ropeable.
bloody hell imo we needed to get another pick around here and cut two not use the pick at all.
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Quite pleased with the list upgrade we recieved for S.F.A . I am very happy to pick up Chris Knights ability wise is the best of the three very hard to match up on and if he stays injury free look out we rape Adelaide again ... Chaplin meh in two minds on the fella i understand where he finished in Poots B&F but he is no world beater and his disposal is suspect he is a definate starting 22 at this point in time only due to size and experience .
Aaron Edwards is hot and cold goes missing perfect fit for Melbourne .i know he is accurate and kicks roughly 2 goals a game will add a new dimension list upgrade blah blah but at the end of the day The Beggars let him go so i will be happy to see him leave 2014
until we get a big bodied run with player that replaces Jackson we wont be a serious contender so i will continue to keep dreaming
Round 1 is going to be bloody massive win that and we will make finals stop the 4 week blocks Dimma and start winning the round 1 Block
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We've improved our list without giving up anything so all up it's a positive. We started very well in the free agency period especially getting Chaplin and being able trading Gus away for a mid-draft pick was a dream come true lol. Edwards is a bit of a 'meh!' for mine. He'll have a day out once in a blue moon usually against a bottom side but then go missing and end up back in the ressies. Just another Miller! The one negative is it's still disappointing that we'll still have the likes of McGuane on our list. How many more years does the Club need to find out he's not up to it and is a list clogger. I would've also tried to trade Jacko but he's a favourite of the coaches so he was going nowhere.
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Many of us here see the deficiencies in jacko and many wouldnt blink an eyelid in trading him if the opportunity arose.Yet the chatter, is the club thinks very highly of him.So what is it that the coaches see that we dont?Is it his leadership qualities alone?Surely thats not enough to keep him getting a game year in year out.
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We've improved our list without giving up anything so all up it's a positive. We started very well in the free agency period especially getting Chaplin and being able trading Gus away for a mid-draft pick was a dream come true lol. Edwards is a bit of a 'meh!' for mine. He'll have a day out once in a blue moon usually against a bottom side but then go missing and end up back in the ressies. Just another Miller! The one negative is it's still disappointing that we'll still have the likes of McGuane on our list. How many more years does the Club need to find out he's not up to it and is a list clogger. I would've also tried to trade Jacko but he's a favourite of the coaches so he was going nowhere.
Time to wake up from your dream then.
Gus was traded for a mid-draft UPGRADE from 50 to 40, not a pick.
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We've improved our list without giving up anything so all up it's a positive. We started very well in the free agency period especially getting Chaplin and being able trading Gus away for a mid-draft pick was a dream come true lol. Edwards is a bit of a 'meh!' for mine. He'll have a day out once in a blue moon usually against a bottom side but then go missing and end up back in the ressies. Just another Miller! The one negative is it's still disappointing that we'll still have the likes of McGuane on our list. How many more years does the Club need to find out he's not up to it and is a list clogger. I would've also tried to trade Jacko but he's a favourite of the coaches so he was going nowhere.
Time to wake up from your dream then.
Gus was traded for a mid-draft UPGRADE from 50 to 40, not a pick.
Pick 40 is better than pick 50 and to move Gus in the process is a win ;D
Seriously pick 40 for Gus Graham and pick 50 is bloody good deal (trade).
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but now its pick 43 so whatever we thought we were getting just got three picks more remote lol
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but now its pick 43 so whatever we thought we were getting just got three picks more remote lol
True but Gus is still goneskis ;D
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but now its pick 43 so whatever we thought we were getting just got three picks more remote lol
That pickmay have slid 3 places but the pick we had slid 4. So it's an even bigger win. Crows have 54.
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I voted Excellent - there wasnt an in between choice between good and excellent and given I thought it was better than good - excellent it was.
IMHO it was very good and if they landed Tyson for pick 9 - then excellent would have been spot on.
As others have said - added a few hundred games of experience and depth. Guys who in theory can come straight in and play a role. Like MT I was 'meh' about A Edwards - but can see the logic. He is an upgrade on Miller - at least Edwards can kick them from 45 metres out directly in front or at the very least will make the distance. Chaplin is obviously in our best 22 - probably in our best 12. Knights - well if his body holds up is a quality player - if it holds up. Time will tell.
Lets see who we get in the Kids draft now as the icing on the cake.