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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 22, 2012, 07:45:33 PM
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Welcome Matt :)
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Pick 42 ~ Matthew Mcdonough
Richmond
(http://www.afl.com.au/portals/0/2012/draft/mcdonough-matthew-2012.jpg)
Player statistics
Former club:Woodville West Torrens
DOB:26/01/1994
Height:179cm
Position:Forward
Weight:83kg
Player assessment
Medium forward whose marking on the lead and pin point goal kicking being features of his play for SA in the U18’s this year. Averaged 18.4 disposals and 3.4 goals per game earning a spot in the All Australian U18 team in 2012.
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Ready made fwd.
Could play R1.
Recruited from: Woodville-West Torrens
McDonough is a solid small forward who kicks plenty of goals.
He had a very strong championships for SA kicking 17 goals across the 5 games, including two hauls of six and with a strong body should be pushing for senior selection from next season.
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Also found this on him......
Matt McDonough- Plumpy little foward who obviously enjoys the odd pie can play. Racked up some touches as well as some huge bags including 5 first half goals in one game. Surely this wont go unnoticed by recruiters will go highly.
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=63993.0
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Ready made fwd.
Could play R1
83kgs = ready made :clapping
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Inspired pick :clapping
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lol. I wouldnt have picked him at 100. RFC our FTF monies going to the crapper.
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Inspired pick :clapping
The Pie eater!! If he could throw them he would get a gig with South Africa!!
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lol. I wouldnt have picked him at 100. RFC our FTF monies going to the crapper.
Is this Jackstar?? :lol
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Goal kicking freak this kid, nice work tigers :clapping
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Maybe bring Relton roberts over as his personal dietician
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3.4 goal average is pretty decent for a small-mid sized forward
Am so very keen to see him play Seniors footy
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I'll trust our real recruiters, not he armchair ones ;) ;D
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any chance of giving a reasons as to why you think he is a spud ramps?
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lol. I wouldnt have picked him at 100. RFC our FTF monies going to the crapper.
Lol and i couldnt do the rubiks cube under 5 minutes, what the hell would you know :lol
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any chance of giving a reasons as to why you think he is a spud ramps?
Why would he do that Al?
It's a fan forum.
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He has really good disposal, good size and body strength. beautiful kick.
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He has really good disposal, good size and body strength. beautiful kick.
Looks like a young Porplyzia
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I'm excited about this barrel-chested sharp shooter. He is going to give Riewoldt and Vickery arthritis with his burning stab passes.
Looked strong overhead but at 179cm he is going to have to get his own ball the hard way in the big league. If he can do that will be a great forward pocket.
lol. I wouldnt have picked him at 100. RFC our FTF monies going to the crapper.
Is this Ramps, or is this Jake King's secret account? ;D
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Selection 42 – Matthew McDonough
richmondfc.com.au
Thu 22 Nov, 2012
Richmond has added to its midfield depth by welcoming Matt McDonough with selection 42 in the National Draft.
McDonough is noted as a clever half forward/inside midfielder who represented South Australia at the 2011 and 2012 National Championships.
He was named in the All-Australian team for his performance in the 2012 championships.
In 2011 as an underage player, he kicked 14 goals in five games, and in 2012 he kicked 17 goals in five games.
“Matt is an elusive forward who has great weapons in his football smart to time his leads then use his elite kicking skills to great effect,” said Richmond Recruiting Manager Francis Jackson.
“He had great games in this year’s carnival against Division 1 teams WA and VIC Metro, kicking six goals in each game.
“He was a dominant member with his U18 team in the SANFL with two 38-possession games through the midfield, then was instrumental in is side’s premiership win with a 28 possession, four-goal grand final performance.
“Matt’s ability to perform in the big games and execute under pressure has been highly regarded by Richmond.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151562/default.aspx
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VIDEO: Matthew McDonough highlights ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/505333/default.aspx
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He was a dominant member with his U18 team in the SANFL with two 38-possession games through the midfield, then was instrumental in is side’s premiership win with a 28 possession, four-goal grand final performance.
“Matt’s ability to perform in the big games and execute under pressure has been highly regarded by Richmond.”
can see anything wrong with this dominant member
:cheers
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Never said he was a spud just said that I wouldnt have picked him for our club.
True you haven't but you haven't said why you wouldn't have picked him Ramps
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I'll trust our real recruiters, not he armchair ones ;) ;D
why???? our recruiters with these picks have been ordinary at the best.
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Never said he was a spud just said that I wouldnt have picked him for our club.
True you haven't but you haven't said why you wouldn't have picked him Ramps
And I stand by what I said. He can play football but I wouldnt have picked him. I wish him the best. Time will tell if he makes it but I have my doubts.
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Never said he was a spud just said that I wouldnt have picked him for our club.
True you haven't but you haven't said why you wouldn't have picked him Ramps
And I stand by what I said. He can play football but I wouldnt have picked him. I wish him the best. Time will tell if he makes it but I have my doubts.
Yeah all fair enough but the question is still why? why wouldn't you have picked him?
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lazy
talented but lazy
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Dean McDonald series II
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McDonut
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I'll trust our real recruiters, not he armchair ones ;) ;D
why???? our recruiters with these picks have been ordinary at the best.
In your opinion ;)
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Looks pretty tight for mine. Nice hands, nice kick, gets his hands dirty, nice evasive skills, young plenty of pluses. But hey, someone said pies, but stuff lets judge him now why wait for proof.
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just have a sneaky suspicion we've just been done over by the other 17 teams in this draft.....
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Pics:
2011 (#37) & 2012 (#15):
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images_richmond/mcdonoughrichmond_246b.jpg) (http://commercial.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2011/06/11/233842.jpg)
(http://commercial.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2012/06/29/261585.jpg) (http://commercial.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2011/06/04/232325.jpg)
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=matthew+mcdonough
More 2012 pics here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34664426@N04/8014293493/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34664426@N04/7380394252/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34664426@N04/7379620978/
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The knock on McDonough according to SEN (I think it was Brett Anderson) was he could be the next Porplyzia or Brett Ebert but he can be lazy.
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McDonut
It already looks like that nickname is going to stick. Are you claiming it Gerks?
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HTF can you be lazy whilst trying to be drafted in th AFL?
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HTF can you be lazy whilst trying to be drafted in th AFL?
I think they meant on the field in terms of say not chasing and other things to do with off the ball play.
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McDonut = McMilne Mk2 :lol
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HTF can you be lazy whilst trying to be drafted in th AFL?
I think they meant on the field in terms of say not chasing and other things to do with off the ball play.
Ah. Surely he's already an upgrade on McG
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in those highlights he went for a long run getting to three contests, so he can work when he wants to.
he has also played against men (SANFL reserves), with mixed results.
kicked a couple of bags of 4 and 3 and early on had a game with 19 possies including 6 clearances
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Replacement for Nahas?
Tyson in 2014 :shh
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he can kick with both feet, so thats one up on Nahas to start with
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he can kick with both feet, so thats one up on Nahas to start with
But can he kick it with his 3rd leg like Nahas?
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Skills look noice. I reckon this bloke has real class.
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In his highlights reel I like the way he jumps at the ball and marks at the highest point.
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maybe he could teach jack about that :whistle
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Was thinking the same. Just too polite to say it. :shh
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The next Brett Ebert :lol Send the kid back to the Eagles then ;D
Welcome Matt. Don't do a runner like the other guy I hoped would be quality forward who could take someone in our 22's spot
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McDonut
It already looks like that nickname is going to stick. Are you claiming it Gerks?
No need to claim it
Those that know, know ;D
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Phantom draft profiles:
38. North Melbourne – Matthew McDonough
Height: 180cm, Weight: 85kg
Recruited from: Woodville-West Torrens
McDonough is a solid small forward who kicks plenty of goals. He had a very strong championships for SA kicking 17 goals across the 5 games, including two hauls of six and with a strong body should be pushing for senior selection from next season.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16888.msg339777#msg339777
#81 Adelaide - Matthew McDonough (SA - Fwd)
Height: 180cm, Weight: 85g, DOB: 26/01/1994
Recruited from: Woodville West Torrens
Style:
Player comparison: Jason Porplyzia
Range: 30-rookie
Profile: Forward who is physically very strongly built and ready to produce. Has already shown that he can kick big goal hauls and his production throughout his career up to this stage has been sensational. Just knows where the goals are and has a real uncanny knack of finding ways to hit the scoreboard. I really like his kicking, very duel sided, hits his targets either foot and has that great goal sense and some nice penetration. Good finisher around goal and excellent from set shot attempts. The real highlight in McDonough’s game is his marking ability, very strong contested mark, 1v1 mark and on the lead. Doesn’t get much off the ground but even in the air is strong and has good body control. Despite his primary feature being his marking game McDonough is also very good at ground level and is very capable as a crumber, getting to the right positions for the bigs to bring to ground and to his advantage. Where McDonough falls short is his lack of athleticism. Speed not great and endurance a long way off where it needs to get to but he has shown promise through the midfield this season showing himself as a capable stoppage player and clearance specialist. Stands up in tackles and has wonderful strength. As a forward also needs to work on his tackling game but with his lack of pace I doubt it will ever be a feature of his game. Might be an interesting potential late draft bargain if he slides because he certainly has the proven production to back up his case. I’d look to draft him into an inside midfielder who can rotate forward and have an influence at times. He won’t be able to monster players physically at the next level with his size advantage he has in the u18s but with his marking ability, kicking ability on both sides and his strong ability 1v1 and improving inside game I think there is plenty to work with.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2012-mock-draft.956129/
# 77 Geelong
Matthew McDonough
WWT
180cm / 85kg / ‘94
Where this kid lands is what sort of scope clubs will think he has. Is he just your medium fwd type who is really clever around the goals and has some crumbing ability as well as some 1:1 ability or does he have the ability to also push into the middle like Johnson / ROK type. He lacks a yard but ROK isn’t quick either and he has the same strong body and nothing wrong with his ball winning. I was a bit in the former camp until I went back and watched some of his games again and I have come to conclusion he has some serious AFL smarts and is just a really good reader of the play. I just cant help but make a comparison to Hender though in terms of his draft prospects. Ultimately I think he has more positional scope though. Banfield, Ashby, Baldasso or Patrick Wilson are others around here that I think could fit the types they tend to go for.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/snoop-dogs-2012-mock-national-draft.980620/
57. Gold Coast
McDonough does not fit the profile for a Clayton pick in the slightest but they could honestly do a lot worse here. GC need some goal kicking help and McDonough can give them that working off of some of the guys they will have up forward.
Matthew McDonough
DOB: 24/1/94 Ht: 180 Wt: 84
McDonough is one guy it would be easy to see fall in this draft because he is a forward who is a bit short, a bit chunky and not particularly athletic. He reminds me a lot of Tom Rockliff in his draft year. Rockliff played primarily as a forward and did it exceptionally well including starring with Sidebottom in the TAC GF but his non-traditional body shape and athleticism counted against him and he was overlooked in the ND. It is not out of the question that this could happen again with McDonough although I think someone is likely to take a punt on him.
McDonough lead SA in goals at the Champs both this year and last. After Menzel went down this year McDonough was very impressive averaging 18.4 disposals and 3.4 goals per game. The fact that he was not as prolific in the SANFL reserves and under 18s probably won’t help him. He did play a variety of positions in the SANFL competitions but he was still mostly up forward. He had 9 games in each of the reserves and under 18s. He averaged only 11.1 disposals per game in the under 18s but despite the low numbers was named in the best 6 times in his 9 games (as well as once in the ressies.
At the start of his career I expect McDonough to continue to play in a forward pocket. He is a very smart footballer and whilst I think it might take him a while to compensate for the increased size, strength and pace of AFL defenders I think he will get there. He is not a one trick pony up forward and can mix it up between leading, body on body contests and crumbing depending on what is going to work. He might struggle to be effective on the lead at AFL level as he is not particularly quick and is not able to get much separation even at junior level. He is nippy off the mark but not really anything more than that and the closing speed of most defenders will trouble him.
At the moment McDonough does tend to use his body quite a lot to create marking opportunities. He has a pretty powerful build which he used well at junior level to hold his position and protect the drop zone. He judges the ball very nicely in the air and has a nice set of hands. He does perhaps use his strength a bit much but if it is effective I can understand him wanting to continue to use it. His crumbing work is usually first class. He works to get the classic front and centre position when the big guys fly and he gets himself low to collect. He has really clean hands with the ball on the deck and is a pretty good snap of the ball getting foot to ball pretty quick. His goal sense is very good.
Kicking is a strength of McDonough and with his clean hands are the primary reasons why many people, myself included, see his future at AFL level probably lying up the ground. He is good off either foot and is an elite deliverer of the ball into 50. He is capable of punching it in there when needed but he also weights it nicely into space to draw the man onto it. On his non-preferred he is also a pretty good field kick and is reasonably accurate snap with his left as well. He tends to wave the ball around a bit on his approach to his set shot but he is an accurate kick and is good from 50 (probably not much more than that).
McDonough has played a bit through the midfield and down back this year and has shown some proficiency in the middle of the ground. He needs to get a lot fitter to make a permanent move into the middle of the ground but I could very much see that happening after a couple of preseasons spent building his engine. He could be a Chapman or Rockliff type who are pretty solid guys who are very effective in the middle of the ground and dangerous when they are resting up front. He can win clearances and works in traffic well. Quite a bit of work would need to be put into his positioning around the ground as well as the defensive aspects of playing through the midfield (as well as up forward now that I think it) but there could be a significant pay off.
Overall if a team picked McDonough that would be getting a very smart footballer who falls a little outside the mould of what a footballer should be in the current game. Notwithstanding that I do think he has a good chance to be effective if someone takes a punt on him.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2012-mock.980920/
28. GWS - Matthew McDonough (180cm forward - Woodville)
Once Troy Menzel went down injured in the U18 Championships, someone really needed to step up for SA - and without a doubt, that person was Matt McDonough. Despite only being 180cm, he dominated up forward and kicked multiple goals in every game. And he has continued that trend back home in the SANFL. He isn't the tallest player going around, but he is strong. And he uses that to his advantage up forward. He is a very hard player to move in marking contests, his strength often seems to create a mismatch as he is lined up on smaller opponents. McDonough is also a very good kick, so has a lot of strings to his bow as a medium forward. Coming into the season, I wondered whether he could make the move to full time midfielder - and this season, he has proved to have that ability. While he didn't get to show for SA, he has been able to for Woodville West Torrens. He has played everywhere from a forward flank to a back flank, and also as a genuine midfielders. And he is a very handy player to have in the centre square, as he can use that strength of his to stand up in the contests and get the clearances. He'll probably always rotate between midfield and forward, but he should be dangerous in either position. AFL Comparison: Paul Chapman.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/young-talent-time-a-2012-mock-draft.956131/
45. Sydney - Matthew McDonough (Forward)
Height: 180cm
Weight: 85kg
Club: Woodville West Torrens
Range: 30-late
Description: Nuggety small forward in the Porplyzia mould. Very strong kid for someone of his height and proved to be a very difficult match up at the champs kicking two bags of 6 goals and 3 in the final game. Not convinced his type will be the most highly sought after but I think he can continue to be a difficult match up at AFL level. Would like to see him play more midfield to finish off the year as everyone knows he is a more than capable forward and some versatility wouldn't go astray.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tigs-first-ever-mock-draft.960168/
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SEN had their draft expert on tonight going through the draft. He believes McDonough will need to lose some weight to reach his optimum weight for AFL. McDonough is a very good kick for goal and given his solid body he could make his AFL debut next year as he's physically ready-made.
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I'll trust our real recruiters, not he armchair ones ;) ;D
why???? our recruiters with these picks have been ordinary at the best.
In your opinion ;)
picks from 20 to 50/55 since jackson has been in charge. basically 2nd and 3rd round picks they have been poor especially the ones that have had some time in the system. one only needs look who has been taken to see that.reckon the majority would agree with my opinion. hmm opinion isnt that what this whole site is about.
hughges, casserley, edwards, putt, post,up to 08.
after this point the later we go the harsher the call after all the 09 crop have had just 3 yrs. you tell me if your happy with this .
09 griffiths,astbury dea taylor, the talls are probably too early to call especially with the injuries. has to be concerns over dea and taylor is gone.
10 batchelor, macdonald. only just too early to call though macdonald is already gone.
11 elton, arnot. too early to call especially elton.
12 mcintosh, mcdonough. way too early to call
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So since we've actually given FJ some decent resources ie. 2 extra recruiters rather than just off you go cover 8 states by yourself what your saying is it's too early to call? Dea was a project player and looked pretty good this year IMO.
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So since we've actually given FJ some decent resources ie. 2 extra recruiters rather than just off you go cover 8 states by yourself what your saying is it's too early to call? Dea was a project player and looked pretty good this year IMO.
not knocking dea have often said he has a bit to work with athletically. had big argument about where we tookhim in 09 was adamant we should have loaded up with talls that draft with picks 35 44 51 67 71, having taken martin/morabito at 3 and bastinac at 19 my pick.
at the end of the day im being reasonable. regardless of resources players of different types take different amounts of time to mature. im only being fair in giving recent draft selections time to develop.
even so without going into a bag fest of young players there are concerns about al sorts of things with recent draftees.
on what we can judge that is players prior to 09/10 at a pinch jacksons record resources or not is very poor.
i often ask this we have reviews of players and coaches but who does the reviews and judge the overall performances of those in charge. at the end of the day weather people like it or not our success or lack thereof all comes down to jackson and cameron imo they hold the two most important positions that you can at any club. as a club we should be aiming for the absolute best and their performances say they are a long way of the mark.
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So since we've actually given FJ some decent resources ie. 2 extra recruiters rather than just off you go cover 8 states by yourself what your saying is it's too early to call? Dea was a project player and looked pretty good this year IMO.
not knocking dea have often said he has a bit to work with athletically. had big argument about where we tookhim in 09 was adamant we should have loaded up with talls that draft with picks 35 44 51 67 71, having taken martin/morabito at 3 and bastinac at 19 my pick.
at the end of the day im being reasonable. regardless of resources players of different types take different amounts of time to mature. im only being fair in giving recent draft selections time to develop.
even so without going into a bag fest of young players there are concerns about al sorts of things with recent draftees.
on what we can judge that is players prior to 09/10 at a pinch jacksons record resources or not is very poor.
i often ask this we have reviews of players and coaches but who does the reviews and judge the overall performances of those in charge. at the end of the day weather people like it or not our success or lack thereof all comes down to jackson and cameron imo they hold the two most important positions that you can at any club. as a club we should be aiming for the absolute best and their performances say they are a long way of the mark.
It might seem like we took Dea early but Brissy and Collingwood were keen after us. Think Brissy had a pick before our next one.
We should have taken some more talls with those last 2 picks rather than those 2 dweebs but at least we took 3 that year (Griff/Astbury/Grimes)
Personally don't rate Bastinac that highly. Big tank but not a lot of skills for a guy who plays more outside than inside.
FJ's record isn't great prior to the '09 draft but he was under resourced and I guess at the least he didn't bust any first rounders in Riewoldt, Cotchin and Vickery. Then you've got Rance who has been very good for a pick 18 and Chaplin should free him up to improve more this year. Though he polarises opinion Edwards was good this year and he was good in 2010. Obviously there were some better options but at least it wasn't a bust.
Also, Jayden Post to me comes across as the sort of pick you'd make a mistake on with only 1 recruiter. Very talented player at junior level but doesn't have that mental toughness and I guess that was overlooked.
Now, I'm not saying he was great but he was ok considering the circumstances. We seem to be improving each year which is what you want.
One final point and it's something that has become clearer to me now Neeld has taken over Melbourne. The coach requests the type of player he wants and the recruiter then has to find them. How many skinny flankers/athletes did we have from Wallace era that ended up being busts?
Connors, Peterson, Collins, Putt then before Jackson you've got Tambling, Meyer, Polo, JON, Casserley.
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Dimma also said on draft night that he reminded him of a young Paul Chapman. If he turns out to be half as good, we have picked up a beauty.
Another comparison which comes to mind is Stewart Dew. Many thought he was prodigious but lazy, then once he moved to the Hawks late in his career he really showed what he could do under a decent coach.
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Impressive Matt finish
richmondfc.com.au
Mon 03 Dec, 2012
Coach of the SA under-18s, and SANFL high performance manager, Brenton Phillips, agreed with the Richmond recruiters’ assessment of McDonough’s ability.
“Matt is an elite kicker of the football and only needs a handful of possessions to end up with five goals,” Phillips said.
“He has an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time to find his possessions.”
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/152016/default.aspx
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Impressive Matt finish
richmondfc.com.au
Mon 03 Dec, 2012
Coach of the SA under-18s, and SANFL high performance manager, Brenton Phillips, agreed with the Richmond recruiters’ assessment of McDonough’s ability.
“Matt is an elite kicker of the football and only needs a handful of possessions to end up with five goals,” Phillips said.
“He has an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time to find his possessions.”
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/152016/default.aspx
so does that equate to him being a genuine mid.
sounds like say a didak type without the ability to find enough ball.
hmm if im looking for a 180cm mid im looking for pace, excellent dual sided skills, probably most important know how and awareness definately motor and an inate ability to find enough of the ball weather thats inside or outside or both. yep we needed mids im sorry i have to question if we got one.
with mcintosh having questions about him being a genuine mid one has to ask why not at least one of these picks being a genuine mid.
they sugar coat everything they went in openly stating what we need and when we come out with what we didnt really need they spin it. instead of saying oh but yeah we took potential mids why not just yeah well we took best available. i hate it when they try to treat us lioke fools.
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so who are the "genuine" mids they overlooked?
I'm assuming there must have been someone overlooked who has more than a couple of near 40 possession games?
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so who are the "genuine" mids they overlooked?
I'm assuming there must have been someone overlooked who has more than a couple of near 40 possession games?
:lol
I actually had a look for genuine mids that went after him in the draft. There is zero, zilch, nil whatever else you want to say. Certainly no one who won as much of the footy as McDonough when played as a mid, nor as damaging elsewhere on the ground, nor having the dual sided skills of McDonough.
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so who are the "genuine" mids they overlooked?
I'm assuming there must have been someone overlooked who has more than a couple of near 40 possession games?
:lol
I actually had a look for genuine mids that went after him in the draft. There is zero, zilch, nil whatever else you want to say. Certainly no one who won as much of the footy as McDonough when played as a mid, nor as damaging elsewhere on the ground, nor having the dual sided skills of McDonough.
:lol
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Big Gay Al shootin fire. :thumbsup
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makes a change from blanks, i suppose.
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:lol
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We should have picked the next Brownlow medalist! Straight out of Frankston, it's Kyle Martin!
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We should have picked the next Brownlow medalist! Straight out of Frankston, it's Kyle Martin!
Yeah but anything picked up from Frankston has to go through Quarantine.
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and would probably be incinerated rather than released into the public
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57. Gold Coast
McDonough does not fit the profile for a Clayton pick in the slightest but they could honestly do a lot worse here. GC need some goal kicking help and McDonough can give them that working off of some of the guys they will have up forward.
Matthew McDonough
DOB: 24/1/94 Ht: 180 Wt: 84
McDonough is one guy it would be easy to see fall in this draft because he is a forward who is a bit short, a bit chunky and not particularly athletic. He reminds me a lot of Tom Rockliff in his draft year. Rockliff played primarily as a forward and did it exceptionally well including starring with Sidebottom in the TAC GF but his non-traditional body shape and athleticism counted against him and he was overlooked in the ND. It is not out of the question that this could happen again with McDonough although I think someone is likely to take a punt on him.
McDonough lead SA in goals at the Champs both this year and last. After Menzel went down this year McDonough was very impressive averaging 18.4 disposals and 3.4 goals per game. The fact that he was not as prolific in the SANFL reserves and under 18s probably won’t help him. He did play a variety of positions in the SANFL competitions but he was still mostly up forward. He had 9 games in each of the reserves and under 18s. He averaged only 11.1 disposals per game in the under 18s but despite the low numbers was named in the best 6 times in his 9 games (as well as once in the ressies.
At the start of his career I expect McDonough to continue to play in a forward pocket. He is a very smart footballer and whilst I think it might take him a while to compensate for the increased size, strength and pace of AFL defenders I think he will get there. He is not a one trick pony up forward and can mix it up between leading, body on body contests and crumbing depending on what is going to work. He might struggle to be effective on the lead at AFL level as he is not particularly quick and is not able to get much separation even at junior level. He is nippy off the mark but not really anything more than that and the closing speed of most defenders will trouble him.
At the moment McDonough does tend to use his body quite a lot to create marking opportunities. He has a pretty powerful build which he used well at junior level to hold his position and protect the drop zone. He judges the ball very nicely in the air and has a nice set of hands. He does perhaps use his strength a bit much but if it is effective I can understand him wanting to continue to use it. His crumbing work is usually first class. He works to get the classic front and centre position when the big guys fly and he gets himself low to collect. He has really clean hands with the ball on the deck and is a pretty good snap of the ball getting foot to ball pretty quick. His goal sense is very good.
Kicking is a strength of McDonough and with his clean hands are the primary reasons why many people, myself included, see his future at AFL level probably lying up the ground. He is good off either foot and is an elite deliverer of the ball into 50. He is capable of punching it in there when needed but he also weights it nicely into space to draw the man onto it. On his non-preferred he is also a pretty good field kick and is reasonably accurate snap with his left as well. He tends to wave the ball around a bit on his approach to his set shot but he is an accurate kick and is good from 50 (probably not much more than that).
McDonough has played a bit through the midfield and down back this year and has shown some proficiency in the middle of the ground. He needs to get a lot fitter to make a permanent move into the middle of the ground but I could very much see that happening after a couple of preseasons spent building his engine. He could be a Chapman or Rockliff type who are pretty solid guys who are very effective in the middle of the ground and dangerous when they are resting up front. He can win clearances and works in traffic well. Quite a bit of work would need to be put into his positioning around the ground as well as the defensive aspects of playing through the midfield (as well as up forward now that I think it) but there could be a significant pay off.
Overall if a team picked McDonough that would be getting a very smart footballer who falls a little outside the mould of what a footballer should be in the current game. Notwithstanding that I do think he has a good chance to be effective if someone takes a punt on him.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2012-mock.980920/
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I havent been the biggest supporter of McDonough but for me what has to happen with him is that he should be put into the midfield for Coburg for the first 12 months. Needs to develop a tank and he needs to develop an want for hard work and work rate. Run run run should be his mantra in the first 12 months. He can play football but if he thinks he is just gonna sit in a forward pocket and do as he pleases at AFL level its not going to work out well. The club picked him now they need to develop him and as I said they need to get him to develop a tank so he can run through the midfield.
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Turned 19 yesterday :birthday
McDonough was training with the forwards group on Friday btw Ramps.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBh0AZzCEAEES0l.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/295113325858131968/photo/1
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I hope he works really hard and makes it. Would be a massive bonus if he comes up trumps. Good luck to the kid.
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I hope he works really hard and makes it. Would be a massive bonus if he comes up trumps. Good luck to the kid.
Yes agree, certainly looks the goods.
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I hope he works really hard and makes it. Would be a massive bonus if he comes up trumps. Good luck to the kid.
Yes agree, certainly looks the goods.
Is he a great player and do you hope he has a good year?
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I hope he works really hard and makes it. Would be a massive bonus if he comes up trumps. Good luck to the kid.
Yes agree, certainly looks the goods.
Is he a great player and do you hope he has a good year?
Not yet......but wait for it!!!!
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I hope he works really hard and makes it. Would be a massive bonus if he comes up trumps. Good luck to the kid.
Yes agree, certainly looks the goods.
Is he a great player and do you hope he has a good year?
is he a great player??? wow he must have played many awesome games , but i must have been in a coma cos i dont recall any
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I hope he works really hard and makes it. Would be a massive bonus if he comes up trumps. Good luck to the kid.
Yes agree, certainly looks the goods.
Is he a great player and do you hope he has a good year?
is he a great player??? wow he must have played many awesome games , but i must have been in a coma cos i dont recall any
Hey WAT, I don't think this guy gets it. Pull your head in x.
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I hope he works really hard and makes it. Would be a massive bonus if he comes up trumps. Good luck to the kid.
Yes agree, certainly looks the goods.
Is he a great player and do you hope he has a good year?
is he a great player??? wow he must have played many awesome games , but i must have been in a coma cos i dont recall any
Hey WAT, I don't think this guy gets it. Pull your head in x.
No he doesn't that's why I didn't comment, couldn't work out what he was getting at..
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VIDEO: Choco's cub watch - Matt McDonough ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-06-10/choco-cub-watch-mcdonough
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Donut and the Bean will play senior footy ths year
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Could be our Sept Smokey ala Mitch Morton for the Swans.
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I know it's very early on but last year's draft has the potential to be one of our best. Our first three selections are all very promising and probably tracking ahead of expectation. Hopefully this is one that FJ gets right all the way through.
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Fine Eyes 8) :shh
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Fine Eyes 8) :shh
:clapping
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McDonough a natural
By richmondfc.com.au
Tuesday, June 11, 2013
“Matt is probably the most natural footballer we have at the Club,” Williams said in the latest installment of “Choco Cub Watch” on richmondfc.com.au.
“He understands the game . . . he knows where the ball is going to land. He’s not the fastest, not the strongest, not the tallest, but his innate ability to read the ball is key.
“He has some great attributes that make him a really dangerous player.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-11/mcdonough-a-natural
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Looks like plugger has a few fans in the coaches box,
Plays a very important position for us that is a weakness in our list
May indeed debut before we know it
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yeah I dunno, choco couldn't look the interviewer in the eye for more than a split second, kept rolling his eyes around to check the cornices out or perhaps he didn't actually believe 50% of what he was saying because he was making it up on the fly.
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I know it's very early on but last year's draft has the potential to be one of our best. Our first three selections are all very promising and probably tracking ahead of expectation. Hopefully this is one that FJ gets right all the way through.
You are aware that McIntosh was our SECOND pick?
McBean and McDonough were third and fourth.
While you can claim McIntosh is very promising I hardly think he's tracking ahead of expectation.
It's also notable that he is playing in defence when it was said he would be a tall, linking winger.
Early days as you say, maybe McIntosh is learning across half back.
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I know it's very early on but last year's draft has the potential to be one of our best. Our first three selections are all very promising and probably tracking ahead of expectation. Hopefully this is one that FJ gets right all the way through.
You are aware that McIntosh was our SECOND pick?
McBean and McDonough were third and fourth.
While you can claim McIntosh is very promising I hardly think he's tracking ahead of expectation.
It's also notable that he is playing in defence when it was said he would be a tall, linking winger.
Early days as you say, maybe McIntosh is learning across half back.
I think he simply forgot about McIntosh
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I know it's very early on but last year's draft has the potential to be one of our best. Our first three selections are all very promising and probably tracking ahead of expectation. Hopefully this is one that FJ gets right all the way through.
You are aware that McIntosh was our SECOND pick?
McBean and McDonough were third and fourth.
While you can claim McIntosh is very promising I hardly think he's tracking ahead of expectation.
It's also notable that he is playing in defence when it was said he would be a tall, linking winger.
Early days as you say, maybe McIntosh is learning across half back.
I think he simply forgot about McIntosh
I did indeed. My bad. You probably couldn't say that McIntosh is tracking ahead of expectations. He is the one still yet to catch anyone's eye I guess.
Still think this draft is looking very promising.
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inside mid :cheers
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Picking a fat kid could pay off while other teams pick athletes. Real footballer. ;D
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Picking a fat kid could pay off while other teams pick athletes. Real footballer. ;D
Yess. Easier to get a fat kid fit than turn an athlete into a footballer
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Picking a fat kid could pay off while other teams pick athletes. Real footballer. ;D
Yess. Easier to get a fat kid fit than turn an athlete into a footballer
:clapping Cunning
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cunning, but true
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Picking a fat kid could pay off while other teams pick athletes. Real footballer. ;D
Yess. Easier to get a fat kid fit than turn an athlete into a footballer
Unless the opposition puts Ricky Petterd on you... :whistle
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With Whitey out, McDonough will come in and make his debut. Good luck Matty :).
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Yeah I hope he has a great debut.
There have been a few good words said about the young fella, so I hope all goes well and we can claim another talented Tigers Player.
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With Whitey out
thank the lord for small mercies.
i know hes a club favorite but white is an ordinary player.
geez we play a sml forward who has the requisite skills and footy smarts for the role not before time.
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sam mitchell-like inside, too :shh
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Good news for 'Donuts' hope he does well.
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DONUTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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By the looks of it his kicking isn't one of his assets.
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game seems to be too quick for him at this stage.
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By the looks of it his kicking isn't one of his assets.
Rushed a lot of kicks, is he a lefty? He used the left a fair bit today.
Still much better than Nahas.
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He'll be ok just panicked a bit due to the change in the pace up from VFL.
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Contested well, but then watched the next contest while scraping himself off the ground. Good lesson in backing up each effort straight away.
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Claw you cant let up.you have to sink the boots in ,on a player who has had a ripper of a year.hes a club favourite for a reason
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Agree. If that is all McDonough had to show today, then I honestly don't know what all the fuss by some on here to give him a game was all about. Did zilch. I would rather see McBean play. We really missed Matty White's run today too, I don't care what anybody says.
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It was Macs first game..did you expect 30 possies and bag of goals?
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Glad he got a taste, but back to the seconds for me. Not done and dusted for good though.
White is better, and Tuck should never have been sub behind this kid.
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One more game for me - so he can see how the youngsters play at gws and what its like when we arent dictated to - basically get some touch and confidence
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It was Macs first game..did you expect 30 possies and bag of goals?
Yes I did. Donuts!!!!! :lol
Hardly did worse than Flossy's first game and was better than Bootsma. :shh
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It was Macs first game..did you expect 30 possies and bag of goals?
No!
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It was Macs first game..did you expect 30 possies and bag of goals?
Of course not. I just expected him to do SOMETHING, not absolutely nothing.
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It was Macs first game..did you expect 30 possies and bag of goals?
Of course not. I just expected him to do SOMETHING, not absolutely nothing.
Set up the first goal of the game. :cheers
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All of his kicks today were panic bombs, which is understandable for a first gamer.
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Anyone know who presented him his jumper?
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game seems to be too quick for him at this stage.
Agree perfect summation Ramps
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By the looks of it his kicking isn't one of his assets.
Rushed a lot of kicks, is he a lefty? He used the left a fair bit today.
Still much better than Nahas.
Yes he is. :thumbsup
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:lol
you'd think that some you blokes have never seen a kid play their first game and struggle with the increased tempo.
How many times have we heard someone interviewed after their first game and comment on this?
amazing stuff.
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Stupid to drop him
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:lol
you'd think that some you blokes have never seen a kid play their first game and struggle with the increased tempo.
How many times have we heard someone interviewed after their first game and comment on this?
amazing stuff.
Was no worse than Flossy's debut. :whistle
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Claw you cant let up.you have to sink the boots in ,on a player who has had a ripper of a year.hes a club favourite for a reason
hes a very average player and we must do better than not just him but several regulars. keeping and playing favorites over development ultimately leads to failure and mediocrity.
we all agree we are a middling team but noone wants to see the neccesary steps taken that will enable us to take the next step. why because poorly skilled players are club favorites.
battlers will only take you so far and by god we have our share of battlers.
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:lol
you'd think that some you blokes have never seen a kid play their first game and struggle with the increased tempo.
Yes and no.
By the way some people here were carrying on about how he was beating the proverbial door down to get into the side, its almost as if a Dean Polo-esque debut was expected.
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:lol
you'd think that some you blokes have never seen a kid play their first game and struggle with the increased tempo.
Yes and no.
By the way some people here were carrying on about how he was beating the proverbial door down to get into the side, its almost as if a Dean Polo-esque debut was expected.
He was regularly amongst the best at the burgers and will be a good player for us going forward IMO. But yesterday he played against one of Carltons best players so no I didn't expect too much yesterday.
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if playing mcdonough is an attempt to improve on the likes of white king edwards then we need to play him and get games into him. he has the skillset and he has ploish he has most of the tools to make it, unlike some who are getting games . hes also earnt a game.
play the kid ffs and give him a decent run at it.
its like the mcbean scenario. why do we keep on playing mcguane. mcguane is another of those battlers like white and king, he can play some servicable footy but you just know they will kill ya when under pressure and cant take us forward. surely its of greater long term benefit to play mcbean than mcguane we would have 5 - 10 games into this kid now and im sure we would not have lost much in performance if we played him. mcbean is another who as far as i can see has earnt a game.
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This year we are playing finals and the side will be picked accordingly
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Mcgaune :cheers :cheers :cheers
Screw development
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I would rather see McBean play.
You think he'll do much better in his first game? Chances are very small
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I would rather see McBean play.
You think he'll do much better in his first game? Chances are very small
what ever happened to rewarding good seconds form. oh i see it only applies to mature players. ::)
if you overlook development altogether you wont go far in this caper. geez i bet they said thing about brodie grundy and others just like him.
it has to be the same rule for all.
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WTF?
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WTF?
And I thought I was the only one baffled ;D
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Thank god I thought I was the only one confused. Think Claw needs to go back and read all of it
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heaven forbid he actually read and comprehend the whole conversation. ::)
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By the looks of it his kicking isn't one of his assets.
lol. Joking aren't you?
Looks highly skilled on either foot.
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During the finals, I would rather a team of senior bodied experienced players over first games every day of the week. Players like McDonough and McBean do need to earn their games but not at the expense of players who are performing. McBean may get a game this week because Jack could drop out of the side but I wouldn't play him over McGuane during the finals - his inexperience and size would be exploited by the opposition.
I'm happy McDonough got a taste of the big time to motivate him going forward but I don't believe he should get another game this year.
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McBean may get a game this week
Highly unlikely Stripes reports out of the VFL game yesterday is he has a suspected broken ankle
Scans today
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McBean may get a game this week
Highly unlikely Stripes reports out of the VFL game yesterday is he has a suspected broken ankle
Scans today
Murphy's law :-[ Will have to wait until next year now
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Thank god I thought I was the only one confused. Think Claw needs to go back and read all of it
apologies . yes it was more jumbled than usual. :o
all i said was. why not reward good seconds form? both mcdonough and mcbean had excellent form in the twos.
we still need to get games into young blokes we think can take us forward.
i used brodie grundy as an example. had little pre season but showed a bit in the twos and look what has happened just by rewarding him with a game.
surely mcbean getting games if hes showing a bit is a priority over playing hacks like mcguane. luke really should have been delisted yrs ago.
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I think you misunderstood my post though Claw although apology accepted :thumbsup.
I agree with you they both deserve a crack. I took a snippet from a post that said McDonough didn't deserve his shot because the hype wasn't justified but then went to say he rather see McBean play. My point was you can't expect a 1st year player to come in and have an immediate impact (there are a few that have and there will be more but most times it isn't the case). I've said McDonough at least deserves next week against GWS as well because he'll be better for it and I'm all for McBean coming in when the coaches see fit (won't be soon it looks like :().
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By the looks of it his kicking isn't one of his assets.
lol. Joking aren't you?
Looks highly skilled on either foot.
Purely based on what I seen on saturday. Haven't seen him play before then.
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By the looks of it his kicking isn't one of his assets.
lol. Joking aren't you?
Looks highly skilled on either foot.
Purely based on what I seen on saturday. Haven't seen him play before then.
Think the increase in game tempo threw his kicking off
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In a new off-season series on richmondfc.com.au, Richmond’s VFL coach Tim Clarke provides an exclusive insight into the 2013 performance and future prospects of a group of young Tigers, who played predominantly under his coaching guidance at Coburg this year.
First-up, he takes a look at Matt McDonough . . .
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-15/matt-mcdonough-in-focus
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VIDEO: McDonough's plan for 2014 ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-01-08/mcdonoughs-plan-for-2014
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Richmond youngster Matt McDonough has a simple goal for the 2014 season – play more senior football.
“As a small forward, I just have to be tackling all day, and at training I have to be standing out in that regard,” McDonough told Roar Vision.
“You watch Jake King and his defensive work inside 50. That’s what I have to get to if I want to play that position.
“If you don’t tackle, you don’t play these days.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-01-08/mcdonough-eyes-senior-spot
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needs to get quicker otherwise it could be a long road ahead.
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He's still fairly fat. 1-5 games this year and continue to trim down to hopefully have an impact in 2015.
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VIDEO: McDonough's plan for 2014 ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-01-08/mcdonoughs-plan-for-2014
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Richmond youngster Matt McDonough has a simple goal for the 2014 season – play more senior football.
“As a small forward, I just have to be tackling all day, and at training I have to be standing out in that regard,” McDonough told Roar Vision.
“You watch Jake King and his defensive work inside 50. That’s what I have to get to if I want to play that position.
“If you don’t tackle, you don’t play these days.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-01-08/mcdonough-eyes-senior-spot
geez i hope the kid isnt useing king as a role model.
ive really gotta ask what tackles does kingy lay in a game.
i understand the love for toughness and aggresion but it has to be backed up with something tangible. surely all forwards today have to tackle well and apply pressure by simply chasing and harassing.
what i dont understand is why we persist with players like king who are just plain poor outside of the two things mentioned.
even the things hes supposed to do well hes over rated. tackling for instance. he laid just 2.2 tackles a game which is deplorable for a bloke who barely touches the ball 10 times a game and whose sole role in fact the only role he can perform is as a defensive sml forward.
i havent compared him to other sml forwards but i would bet nearly every other club has small/med forward who kicks more goals on ave. lays more tackles and wins more ball. id say most other sml forwards at other clubs are flexible enough even rotate thru the middle of the ground.
kingy is not only a very limited player but limits the team in many ways.
while we all love the way he goes about it and he is one of few who will stand up for his mates we just have to be better than jake. we must find forwards who will tackle and chase etc that should be a given. but we need forwards who have good skills a bit of class and are flexible.
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strange rant.
it reads as if mcdonut wants to take kings spot but we get a rant about needing to replace king ?
do you truly believe that to be a role model you must be highly skilled?
King is a bloke that has probably more played more AFL football than he should have. He has milked every last drop of what limited talent he has, through hard work.
What more do you want out of a role model?
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I'll just go and pick one of those ideal small forwards from the tree out the back
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I'll just go and pick one of those ideal small forwards from the tree out the back
It's no wonder Coburg did so well last year with all those gun goal kicking small forwards that couldn't get a game because of Jake King.
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Anyone think McDonough is a chance to play round 1 after picking up 21 possies, 5 marks and kicking a goal yesterday?
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Was really impressed with his game. Ran hard, got plenty of the ball, made good decisions, used the ball well and looked quicker than I thought he was. Very happy with his game yesterday.
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Yep really had a dip and seemed involved in a lot of plays. I loved the way he slotted the goal, looked like a natural which we all know he is from his junior days. Spent time playing on Elliot who is a slippery customer, would have taken plenty out of yesterday.
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Anyone think McDonough is a chance to play round 1 after picking up 21 possies, 5 marks and kicking a goal yesterday?
Just about to sit down and watch the replay
But based on what I saw at the game yesterday; it would be a NO from me
Just a couple of things defensively left me doing this :huh3
But having said that will watch the replay and see if it changes my thoughts ;D
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capital letters NO huh? How come?
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capital letters NO huh? How come?
1/ who's spot would he take. They had playing HB for most of yesterday and I think there a blokes ahead of him there and up forward I think he is way down the pecking order. And in the middle would think Miles for one would be way ahead of him
and
2/ there were a couple of times yesterday when he just didn't work hard enough when he didn't have the ball, couple of chases he didn't attempt or go hard enough in = hate seeing blokes jogging when they need to be sprinting (and yes that is a massive bug bear of mind)
But as I said will watch the reply and have a better look
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Anyone think McDonough is a chance to play round 1 after picking up 21 possies, 5 marks and kicking a goal yesterday?
But based on what I saw at the game yesterday; it would be a NO from me
Just a couple of things defensively left me doing this :huh3
You mean when he as playing back in defence where he doesn't belong?
Pretty sure he wouldn't spend much time there if selected come round one, though you never know with Hardwick and his obsession with chucking players in the backline to "work on their defensive side" because apparently it's the only part of the field where you can learn how to defend.
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will definitely play R 1 if my mails right, an upgrade on white :shh
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The little fella did real well, looked a lot more at home than his debut
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will definitely play R 1 if my mails right, an upgrade on white :shh
Your mail is a bunch of horse poo dude. I am pretty sure they haven't picked the round 1 team yet FFS.
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will definitely play R 1 if my mails right, an upgrade on white :shh
McDonut has just read this and looked up where the VFL team is playing round one.
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U idiot :lol
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will definitely play R 1 if my mails right, an upgrade on white :shh
McDonut has just read this and looked up where the VFL team is playing round one.
:lol
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Still a fat little puppy but I likes 'im!
Wouldn't expect too many senior games for him this year.
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Too slow , not enough tricks , too white - delist
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Cameron Ling was fat and slow but made himself a player. Too early to jettison the Donut just yet. Needs to keep working hard and he may make it. :gotigers
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I'll take solid, reliable players like McDonough over enigmatic players with "tricks" like S.Edwards anyday...
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I'll take solid, reliable players like McDonough over enigmatic players with "tricks" like S.Edwards anyday...
Where do we play McDonough ? Doesn't look like a small forward to me ?
Oh and Edwards played well on the weekend.
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I'll just go and pick one of those ideal small forwards from the tree out the back
there was a tree full in the nd to pick from as well. we just adore our hacks.
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I'll take solid, reliable players like McDonough over enigmatic players with "tricks" like S.Edwards anyday...
Where do we play McDonough ? Doesn't look like a small forward to me ?
Oh and Edwards played well on the weekend.
He looks like a potential Chris Naish type player to me. Very good kick at goal and has footy smarts.
I think he would make an excellent half forward. His major deficiency still seems to be concentrating on what to do when he hasn't got the ball - things like tackling, shepherding, blocking etc etc.
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He looks like a potential Chris Naish type player to me. Very good kick at goal and has footy smarts.
I think he would make an excellent half forward. His major deficiency still seems to be concentrating on what to do when he hasn't got the ball - things like tackling, shepherding, blocking etc etc.
Bingo for the bold bit; it's what I noticed on Saturday :clapping
Regarding your comment about the possibility of him being a good HF, that's the problem as I see it.
There are a number ahead of him at the minute because defensively they are not so reactionary. Currently, I cannot see him dislodging Jake, S Edwards or even Lloyd from the round 1 side. Especially now they seem intent on playing (resting) our mids up forward (eg Cotch, Lids)
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There are a number ahead of him at the minute because defensively they are not so reactionary. Currently, I cannot see him dislodging Jake, S Edwards or even Lloyd from the round 1 side. Especially now they seem intent on playing (resting) our mids up forward (eg Cotch, Lids)
FFS even WP can see that our mids should be kicking 50+ goals and winning Colemans
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The SEN reporter reviewing the game praised McDonough's game. For those who saw the game, would you have him in our round 1 side?
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Madonna goes alright, give him some game time to get his poo together.
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The SEN reporter reviewing the game praised McDonough's game. For those who saw the game, would you have him in our round 1 side?
Thought he was fantastic today. Has a good football brain and good skills. Took a ripper mark at one stage and then landed on his back. Thought he hurt himself but got up and just dusted himself off.
Overall a great performance from a very promising youngster. :thumbsup
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I was fairly impressed with his game vs Colonwood so it's certainly good signs if he's gone well again.
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Donut man was very good.
Commentator mentality continually descrbed him as not having athletic body.
stuffn Shitmen.
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Chapman doesn't have an athletic body either or Garry Ablett senior but gee they were pretty stuffing good players
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
What :huh
Ox said Chaplin not chapman
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I did.. I did say that ^
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
Were you there today claw?
I was and I can tell you the kid can play. Probably needs one more year of development but is ok to play seniors if today was any indication.
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Chapman played like arse.
McDonough very serviceable
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Chapman played like arse.
McDonough very serviceable
And tgey payed overs for him too ;D Brett Anderson when reporting to SEN with updates stated his mid region looked out of shape :shh
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And tgey payed overs for him too ;D
Ain't it sweet !!!
No drugs-No idea.
Paul Little - LMAO.
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He looked like a cheese roll
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Was impressed. Still looks a little rushed at times to me but didn't seem to cause any issues
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Player
need to re-sign him asap
SA clubs already in his ear
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I did.. I did say that ^
lol. apologies ox. need to open the eyes up.
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
Were you there today claw?
I was and I can tell you the kid can play. Probably needs one more year of development but is ok to play seniors if today was any indication.
nope not there. havent even seen a clip from the game.
not wanting to knock him but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it. i did have some concerns when we took him but wont go there. as you say he deserves some time to iron out any deficiency he may have and it may be he just needs more time to develop.
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
Were you there today claw?
I was and I can tell you the kid can play. Probably needs one more year of development but is ok to play seniors if today was any indication.
nope not there. havent even seen a clip from the game.
not wanting to knock him but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it. i did have some concerns when we took him but wont go there. as you say he deserves some time to iron out any deficiency he may have and it may be he just needs more time to develop.
Fair response. :thumbsup
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theres something that bugs me about mcdonough.
He plays for Richmond?
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theres something that bugs me about mcdonough.
He plays for Richmond?
:lol
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;D
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;D ;D
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McDonough provides another defensive running option. "He has unbelievable skills," Hardwick said. "He came here as a half-forward/full-forward type, [but] we are hoping he can stake the step down back, which frees up Dustin Martin and Bachar Houli to rotate through."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jake-carlisle-report-worsens-essendons-forward-struggles-20140307-34ck8.html
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
Were you there today claw?
I was and I can tell you the kid can play. Probably needs one more year of development but is ok to play seniors if today was any indication.
nope not there. havent even seen a clip from the game.
not wanting to knock him but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it. i did have some concerns when we took him but wont go there. as you say he deserves some time to iron out any deficiency he may have and it may be he just needs more time to develop.
Maybe watch a player before making a call?
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....now theres a thought.
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Was really impressed with Donut's game. Had a lot of the pill and was very clean, often in pretty tight situations. Took a gutsy mark with the flight too. Looks a natural footballer to me.
Sneaky chance for Round 1.
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Maybe you can't put your finger on it because....you haven't seen him....therefore for you don't know what it is you can't put your finger on....
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I've a suggestion where you can stick your finger :o
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not wanting to knock him but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it.
Are you for real? :gobdrop
I've a suggestion where you can stick your finger :o
Oh my goodness :-\
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not wanting to knock him but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it.
Are you for real? :gobdrop
I think it is the pronunciation of his name
Thats what she said
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:lol
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I've a suggestion where you can stick your finger :o
DONUTS :clapping
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Good kid this one
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
Were you there today claw?
I was and I can tell you the kid can play. Probably needs one more year of development but is ok to play seniors if today was any indication.
nope not there. havent even seen a clip from the game.
not wanting to knock him but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it. i did have some concerns when we took him but wont go there. as you say he deserves some time to iron out any deficiency he may have and it may be he just needs more time to develop.
Maybe watch a player before making a call?
was you there tony. have i made a call seems i must have somewhere. :o. maybe you shouldnt be such a literal smart arse.or maybe i should have said without seeing more of him i cant put a finger on it. didnt think one would have to be so literal, and others had some modicum of intelligence. i keep on forgeting there are some who just arent that smart and need everything spelled out for em.
just to spell it out tony as it seems you need the help. ive seen mcdonough play i just didnt see the ess practice game. i was asked if id seen the game and said as much. i cant be more up front than that.
what i have seen of him theres something not right but i cant put my finger on it yet. you can bet your bottom dollar i will though.
but hey!!! all things are right with our players right?people cant see things that may bug em right?
so many dick heads on this site.
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mcdonough can play but he is a tad slow IMHO
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mcdonough can play but he is a tad slow IMHO
So is Sam Mitchell whom he reminds me of
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chapman was awful
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chapman was awful
Still kicked a goal and gave Daniher another. Not too bad for an awful game!
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Jackson said he has very good pace when he was commentating
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He isn't going to win any grand final sprints but has enough pace to evade would be tacklers. That is probably more important.
For years we have screamed out for natural footballers and not athletes and when we find one people start criticising his athletic prowess!!
Gee whizz! :whistle
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so many dick heads on this site.
:bow
Claw speaks the truth.
:bow
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mcdonough can play but he is a tad slow IMHO
Slow like Luke hodge, , can play a bit this kid don't worry about that, :shh
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I really want this kid to succeed just to prove Ramps wrong! ;D
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
Were you there today claw?
I was and I can tell you the kid can play. Probably needs one more year of development but is ok to play seniors if today was any indication.
nope not there. havent even seen a clip from the game.
not wanting to knock him but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it. i did have some concerns when we took him but wont go there. as you say he deserves some time to iron out any deficiency he may have and it may be he just needs more time to develop.
You havent seen him play?? and yet something worries you. Yep from watching his only game via tv you can garner a lot.. :banghead :banghead
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
Were you there today claw?
I was and I can tell you the kid can play. Probably needs one more year of development but is ok to play seniors if today was any indication.
nope not there. havent even seen a clip from the game.
not wanting to knock him but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it. i did have some concerns when we took him but wont go there. as you say he deserves some time to iron out any deficiency he may have and it may be he just needs more time to develop.
Maybe watch a player before making a call?
was you there tony. have i made a call seems i must have somewhere. :o. maybe you shouldnt be such a literal smart arse.or maybe i should have said without seeing more of him i cant put a finger on it. didnt think one would have to be so literal, and others had some modicum of intelligence. i keep on forgeting there are some who just arent that smart and need everything spelled out for em.
just to spell it out tony as it seems you need the help. ive seen mcdonough play i just didnt see the ess practice game. i was asked if id seen the game and said as much. i cant be more up front than that.
what i have seen of him theres something not right but i cant put my finger on it yet. you can bet your bottom dollar i will though.
but hey!!! all things are right with our players right?people cant see things that may bug em right?
so many dick heads on this site.
wow
I wasn't being a 'literal smartarse' dh maybe read your comment again?
but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it.
To me that implies you are making a call on him without seeing what he's dished up no? My point was simply watch him then make a call (good or bad I really don't give a poo) so not sure why you had to throw in the but hey!!! all things are right with our players right?people cant see things that may bug em right?
Tell you what, you and 65 are right regarding your last comment! Really spelt it out for me - stuffing jokers on here ::)
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Id rather read straight up bullplop from so called idiots than so called opinion pieces from self annointed experts making faux calls on players they havent even seen.
What an effing joke
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Thanks Dookie
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Ironically, he played a shorter mans version of CHaplins game
chapman is actually a shorter player ox.
still not sure about this kid i certainly am yet to see why he gets all the love he does.
Were you there today claw?
I was and I can tell you the kid can play. Probably needs one more year of development but is ok to play seniors if today was any indication.
nope not there. havent even seen a clip from the game.
not wanting to knock him but theres something that bugs me about mcdonough. without seeing him i cant put a finger on it. i did have some concerns when we took him but wont go there. as you say he deserves some time to iron out any deficiency he may have and it may be he just needs more time to develop.
What major area of deficiency would you highlight?
Hair too beautiful?
Game of junior s when he got 40 touches for south Australia was too many?
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Cameron Ling was fat and slow but made himself a player. Too early to jettison the Donut just yet. Needs to keep working hard and he may make it. :gotigers
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I dont think I have been harsh on the donut. Hope he makes it. Always had doubts about his pace for the game but good luck to the kid. The donut making it would be a great bonus for the club.
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mcdonough can play but he is a tad slow IMHO
He got his well earned possessions through running the lines, hard work, getting there first and putting his head over it, not sure how you can say that after his game yesterday!
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If he was recruited as a small forward and to be half decent to have been drafted you have to have some pace, and for one of his team mates to call him quick, I'm tipping he is fairly speedy. Some players just don't look like they are moving that fast but in this case he covers the ground pretty well by the sounds of it. Just because he haven't got the most athletic body going around or if some poster on here calls him slow, it doesn't make it true.
I'm not sure from his one AFL game last year that most can make a call on him, especially from only watching that one game on TV from the other side of the country.
You think being a Tigers fan you would at least give a young player a chance before making a call on him either way. I'm not saying I think he will make it but I'll make that judgement after more than one game.
Good luck to the kid.
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Anyway I thinks he's worth a game. Would free Houli, Martin & Vlaustin to push up the wings and into the midfield
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Rach @Rach_Ritt twitter:
"Just read that @mattmcdonough28 is set to play his second [AFL] game this week!! Fingers crossed! The kids gonna be a gun! #goplugga"
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Rach @Rach_Ritt twitter:
"Just read that @mattmcdonough28 is set to play his second [AFL] game this week!! Fingers crossed! The kids gonna be a gun! #goplugga"
Who is Rach @Rach_Ritt twitter?
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McDonough presses claims
richmondfc.com.au
March 11, 2014
Talented, young utility player Matt McDonough has given himself every chance of gaining selection in Richmond’s side for this Saturday’s opening round clash with the Gold Coast Suns, following his fine form during the pre-season.
Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-11/mcdonough-presses-claims
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The real Matty D :clapping
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Another great game from Matty. A couple of small stuff ups as he gets the pace of the game. Kicks it well on both sides, good overhead, good in traffic, likes to chase and tackle and very importantly, reads the game exceptionally well. In the AFL prospectus this year they compared him with Tom Rockliff. If he continues to improve he will be an absolute steal at pick 42.
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Is that you Matt?
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Doesn't look like a footballer but he goes pretty good
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Another great game from Matty. A couple of small stuff ups as he gets the pace of the game. Kicks it well on both sides.....
as in to both sides of the boundary line?
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Just keep playing him.
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Another great game from Matty. A couple of small stuff ups as he gets the pace of the game. Kicks it well on both sides.....
as in to both sides of the boundary line?
Really???
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Doesn't look like a footballer but he goes pretty good
I think a bit the opposite Chuck. He looks like a natural footballer to me, rather than an athlete that is trying to play football.
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Doesn't look like a footballer but he goes pretty good
I think a bit the opposite Chuck. He looks like a natural footballer to me, rather than an athlete that is trying to play football.
I was referring to more body shape than the way he plays
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Fatty Mcdonaghue :clapping
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Doesn't look like a footballer but he goes pretty good
I think a bit the opposite Chuck. He looks like a natural footballer to me, rather than an athlete that is trying to play football.
I was referring to more body shape than the way he plays
:lol :thumbsup
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Really needs yo keep getting games
Like Griff. Mattdea. Lennon etc
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Thought he was amongst our best half dozen last night - one of the few that never stopped trying all game. Need to keep playing him.
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Thought he was amongst our best half dozen last night - one of the few that never stopped trying all game. Need to keep playing him.
First half he seemed to get a heap, checked the stats and had it just 8 times. Must have been 8 bloody memorable possessions because he seemed to be everywhere at times.
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He is a forward played back because he is a very good kick so we need to hit targets coming out of defense.
Really needs a better hair style though! ;D
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In worry donuts is a little short/fat/slow
But I like him. Looks a footballer. I'd keep him but assuming he's getting dropped/delisted
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Has had a good slab of games but I thought he was poor overall against North. Bring in someone like Helbig in his place.
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Why not keep donuts and play helbig too
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Has had a good slab of games but I thought he was poor overall against North. Bring in someone like Helbig in his place.
Not sure what people see in Helbig. He might be okay but I would think Donuts game against North would be out of Helbigs reach.
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Not sure what people see in Helbig. He might be okay but I would think Donuts game against North would be out of Helbigs reach.
perhaps. I'd still like to see what he offers again before list decisions are finalised.
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Yep have to agree on that, deserves a few games in a row to at least show what he's got
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I must admit I don't really see much in Matt.
I just cannot see what roll he would play in a decent side?
A lock down small back?
An attacking HBF?
A wingman?
Small forward?
What?
Is there a good player out there that people think he might become?
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I must admit I don't really see much in Matt.
I just cannot see what roll he would play in a decent side?
A lock down small back?
An attacking HBF?
A wingman?
Small forward?
What?
Is there a good player out there that people think he might become?
I'm with you on this one. Has some pace but his disposal is poor. Why draft a small forward to play him in defense?
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The bloke is a small forward. We just make him look poo by playing him back.
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Not sure what people see in Helbig. He might be okay but I would think Donuts game against North would be out of Helbigs reach.
perhaps. I'd still like to see what he offers again before list decisions are finalised.
X 2
Unless they play him how are we are we going to know :huh
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The jury is still out with me. Has limitations but has endeavour.
How many of these blokes do we need?
Reminds me of Jake King when he first arrived. All heart with iffy disposal.
Looked good in pre season especially the game at Punt Rd against the Bombers but that seems so long ago I am starting to question whether even that is relevant to the present.
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I must admit I don't really see much in Matt.
I just cannot see what roll he would play in a decent side?
A lock down small back?
An attacking HBF?
A wingman?
Small forward?
What?
Is there a good player out there that people think he might become?
I'm with you on this one. Has some pace but his disposal is poor. Why draft a small forward to play him in defense?
He's no Ablett but his disposal looks ok enough to me (and often looked a class above in the VFL ) considering he's often under extreme pressure, seems to gets sold into trouble quite a lot and is not playing in his natural position....actually does better than a few other more experienced heads in the side all things considered. Not afraid to keep taking the game on or make a mistake...all of which suggests to me he's at least not mentally weak and at Richmond that's an incredibly rare commodity.
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I must admit I don't really see much in Matt.
I just cannot see what roll he would play in a decent side?
A lock down small back?
An attacking HBF?
A wingman?
Small forward?
What?
Is there a good player out there that people think he might become?
I'm with you on this one. Has some pace but his disposal is poor. Why draft a small forward to play him in defense?
He's no Ablett but his disposal looks ok enough to me considering he's often under extreme pressure, seems to gets sold into trouble quite a lot and is not playing in his natural position....actually does better than a few other more experienced heads in the side all things considered.
I know those squiggly things at the end of sentences look a little like smily faces but they are not. :lol They are question marks. Usually requiring someone's answer. 7 questions and you answered none of them. Thanks for taking the time. :)
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Oh dear looks like I'm going to lose marks for not answering Mr.Big Note's official questionnaire in a correct & thorough manner.
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I must admit I don't really see much in Matt.
I just cannot see what roll he would play in a decent side?
A lock down small back?
An attacking HBF?
A wingman?
Small forward?
What?
Is there a good player out there that people think he might become?
Could play small forward or attacking HBF.
No needs to be attacking
Yes
No, unless he can build his tank which I don't think he could do except maybe for small stints
Yes
Not sure "what?" is actually a question but if I don't answer you'll have a whinge and disregard all that I said so I'll answer with Jennifer Lawrence
Maybe a Shannon Hurn type just not quite the same leg
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Has a hair style that matches Vickery which is the real concern here
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a 180cm player who is not quick. the obvious question that should be asked by people and obviously isnt very often is, what outstanding attributes does he bring to the table to offset these things.
if we are honest there isnt any.
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Deserves games over Newman
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At the moment what I feel he brings to the table is mongrel and plenty of it,something the majority of the spineless troupe who masquerade as footballers appear to not have
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what outstanding attributes does he bring to the table to offset these things.
Innate goal sense and contested marking.
You just don't get to see much of it given the position he's playing.
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what outstanding attributes does he bring to the table to offset these things.
Innate goal sense and contested marking.
You just don't get to see much of it given the position he's playing.
Just knows how to play the game despite his physical flaws
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clearly doesn't fit in with claws aspirations of having a master race of footballers
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What's his outstanding attribute?
Just a natural footballer.
Yeah but what's he's outstanding attribute?
Reads the game well.
Yes but is he tall or fast
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Played the small fwd role similarly to the way LeCras plays it in the u18's. Ie is very strong on the lead and has a good goal sense, kicking multiple bags of 6 for SA against vic metro and WA.
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“He was a dominant member with his U18 team in the SANFL with two 38-possession games through the midfield, then was instrumental in is side’s premiership win with a 28 possession, four-goal grand final performance
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What's his outstanding attribute?
Just a natural footballer.
Yeah but what's he's outstanding attribute?
Reads the game well.
Yes but is he tall or fast
:-\
Intelligence is an attribute, maybe one you're lacking?
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think wires may be crossed there
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think wires may be crossed there
Yeah possibly but took a chance, something Richmond needs to do more of
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Great development regime at punt rd under fuckwick.
Newman is the future and the way, not MCDonough
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think wires may be crossed there
Yeah possibly but took a chance, something Richmond needs to do more of
;D
So true
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I like the cut of his gib. Looks a a player. Seems like he coud compliment miles/vlastuin/dea types well
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IMO we need to re-sign this kid. I have a bad feeling that if we trade or delist him he could be one that really comes back to haunt us!!!
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IMO we need to re-sign this kid. I have a bad feeling that if we trade or delist him he could be one that really comes back to haunt us!!!
What do you base that on?
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I wanted to give him a bit more of a go, to see what he's got- but if he goes, he goes, stuff him
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IMO we need to re-sign this kid. I have a bad feeling that if we trade or delist him he could be one that really comes back to haunt us!!!
What do you base that on?
He showed enough in the games he played. He has good pace and was near on BOG in the seconds every week. He was also named in the emergencies just about every week, very stiff not to of played more. I just think there is more of an upside to this kid.
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Keep. Has beautiful skills and footy nous. Natural footballer.
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McDonough has the skills and nous with the footy but he should talk to Axel about the training methods needed to add a yard of pace.
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McDonough has the skills and nous with the footy but he should talk to Axel about the training methods needed to add a yard of pace.
Might be a good plan for Axel to mentor McDonuts over the next pre-season (providing they don't flick him which I hope they don't). I'm with Willy on this, I reckon he has enough good attributes to make it but like you say MT, could do with a tad more pace.
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From what I've seen so far of McDonahue I thought he was just some exposure and experience away from being a player. Would be crazy to chop him given he can play a variety of rolls.
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I reckon he'll go back to SA. Both clubs keen
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im not sure if this kid is good enough long term. not overly keen on him myself but imo has shown enough to persevere with for another yr.
like a lot of kids at all clubs he needs a fair and reasonable amount of time to show he belongs. in this we would be mad to just cut him.
i would have thought he was safe and the club was doing all it can to sign him on a fair contract.
my thinking is perhaps theres a bit of go home factor here hence hes not been signed.
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If he leaves and goes back to SA I will stuffing spit it, particularly if he ends at Port and he ends up with the sort of career old mate that we delisted many years ago had when he went to the Crows...was it Edwards? Very long illustrious career.. :banghead
Add that to Schultz and White.. :banghead
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If he leaves and goes back to SA I will stuffing spit it, particularly if he ends at Port and he ends up with the sort of career old mate that we delisted many years ago had when he went to the Crows...was it Edwards? Very long illustrious career.. :banghead
Add that to Schultz and White.. :banghead
what would you have them do if he wants to go home wat. tie him up and put him in a cell.
no point getting angry if its out of our control. in these cases all we can do is get the best possible remuneration as possible. if we get lucky maybe a late 2nd rounder or early third rounder. with what hes done so far id say that would be a win.
id even enquire about fringe victorians like aaron young at port and make a swap if he does want to go home.
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If he leaves and goes back to SA I will stuffing spit it, particularly if he ends at Port and he ends up with the sort of career old mate that we delisted many years ago had when he went to the Crows...was it Edwards? Very long illustrious career.. :banghead
Add that to Schultz and White.. :banghead
what would you have them do if he wants to go home wat. tie him up and put him in a cell.
no point getting angry if its out of our control. in these cases all we can do is get the best possible remuneration as possible. if we get lucky maybe a late 2nd rounder or early third rounder. with what hes done so far id say that would be a win.
id even enquire about fringe victorians like aaron young at port and make a swap if he does want to go home.
If he wants to go then fine we cant do poo but if we make him go..grrr.
Agree.
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If he leaves and goes back to SA I will stuffing spit it, particularly if he ends at Port and he ends up with the sort of career old mate that we delisted many years ago had when he went to the Crows...was it Edwards? Very long illustrious career.. :banghead
Add that to Schultz and White.. :banghead
what would you have them do if he wants to go home wat. tie him up and put him in a cell.
no point getting angry if its out of our control. in these cases all we can do is get the best possible remuneration as possible. if we get lucky maybe a late 2nd rounder or early third rounder. with what hes done so far id say that would be a win.
id even enquire about fringe victorians like aaron young at port and make a swap if he does want to go home.
If he wants to go then fine we cant do poo but if we make him go..grrr.
Agree.
Over the course of th season. We could have rewarded his good form with more senior games
Instead of favouring Jackson Newman king Thomas types
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^^^
Yep agree, at least 3-4 games could of been his the way they played.
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McDonough has returned with the romper stomper look ...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10418947_10152847802533276_7128952821373223072_n.jpg?oh=46f49aa5e5abc9da138456c37017061a&oe=551C37B3&__gda__=1428036054_4d0eb7666c676b907f0966a941edfbf5)
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McDonough has returned with the romper stomper look ...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10418947_10152847802533276_7128952821373223072_n.jpg?oh=46f49aa5e5abc9da138456c37017061a&oe=551C37B3&__gda__=1428036054_4d0eb7666c676b907f0966a941edfbf5)
That's more like it!
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new houli
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looks pretty slim. Good to see him with a footballers haircut...
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Got GAJ neck and shoulders :shh
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Could really make a name for himself next year... I hope.. :pray
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Morris - Astbury - Grimes
McDonuts - Rance - Deledio/Vlastuin/Lennon
:shh
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He looks in great shape. Is obviously eating the donut holes rather than the actual donuts. :thumbsup
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40 goal fwd 2015 :shh
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40 goal fwd 2015 :shh
:shh
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From RFC_Official:
"Liking what I'm seeing from Matt McDonough to date. Looks fit and trim, and is kicking a few goals in match simulation so far.
Foot skills have always been good. One of the most skillful two sided players we have IMO."
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He seems to have developed a good work ethic which Im happy about. As I said in previous posts he can play but has to work hard to achieve the right results. If he can find an extra yard or two in pace that would be excellent. Well done to the Donut!
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Will be fighting it out with Kane Taylor for the small forwards spot IMHO, I like their competitiveness
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Will be fighting it out with Kane Taylor for the small forwards spot IMHO, I like their competitiveness
Who?
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40 goal fwd 2015 :shh
if only they play him there. lennon is another. its probably the worst area of the ground for us yet genuine sml/med fwds are played everywhere but the fwd line.
imo mcdonoughs lack of pace will see him struggle no matter where he plays. i mean to say how many slow 180cm players make it nowdays unless they are bottom of the pack on ballers.i know one thing id rather we give him a chance to show what hes got in an area he has the best chance of shining in.as ajunior he at least showed he knows how to kick a goal hes clever and has very good skills for a sml he will be a solid bugger and will be hard to move off the ball.me i dont rate him but im all for giving him the best possible chance to shine and succeed.
in the magoos let the juniors find their feet in positions where they play there best. once they play well then ease em into other roles. we always seem to do the opposite we take fwds and play em in defnce, in reverse we take defenders and play em fwd. we have flankers who could become mids thrown straight into midfield roles. ruckmen who play solely as fwds and fwds who play ruck. we then wonder why juniors dont develop or stagnate.
look im all for versatility and flexability but ffs let them establish themselves first in the role that got em drafted in the first place. also why play blokes in roles where deficiencies are most found out.give em roles they can physically perform or have the skill set to perform.
we are all guilty of this as well.ive called for lennon to be played across hb. mainly because of his skills and delivery, but its folly when you stop and think about it. hes under sized and hes slow. one way or another he will get taken to the cleaners playing in defense atm.
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How is Lennon undersized?
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How is Lennon undersized?
atm hes probably close to 10kg below ideal playing weight. combined with a lack of leg speed and hes vulnerable playing in defense. so why play him there. ffs we took him as a fwd who may become a good part of midfield rotations.
work on his pace and his size and if in a few yrs time we want to broaden his scope and play him in defense fine.
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While I do agree he should play forward I don't think he is below playing weight to be playing off a HBF. Isn't really a position that demands size.
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While I do agree he should play forward I don't think he is below playing weight to be playing off a HBF. Isn't really a position that demands size.
as a slow moving player what role across hb do you envision for him.lack of pace limits his role here.
mate the minimum size or weight he needs to reach is a kilo either side of 88kg and thats if he does not grow.he needs to be able to defend if in defence giving a bloke of similar height a huge size advantage along with a speed advantage is a recipe for disaster. is a nonsense.
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Seems you don't rate anyone at Richmond claw :shh
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While I do agree he should play forward I don't think he is below playing weight to be playing off a HBF. Isn't really a position that demands size.
as a slow moving player what role across hb do you envision for him.lack of pace limits his role here.
mate the minimum size or weight he needs to reach is a kilo either side of 88kg and thats if he does not grow.he needs to be able to defend if in defence giving a bloke of similar height a huge size advantage along with a speed advantage is a recipe for disaster. is a nonsense.
Didn't think I'd have to spell it out but as I said he should play forward but I don't agree that lack of size is an issue for him if he were to play half back.
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Seems you don't rate anyone at Richmond claw :shh
All either to slow, too small or too tall. Or just cant play.
Everybody is entitled to an opinion but most dont pass that opinion as fact. Ridiculous.
Lets see what this guy has offer before we either condem or praise.
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From RFC_Official:
"Liking what I'm seeing from Matt McDonough to date. Looks fit and trim, and is kicking a few goals in match simulation so far.
Foot skills have always been good. One of the most skillful two sided players we have IMO."
Let's just hope he carries this into the season proper. Some of us were very glad we kept him, I just hope it pays off.
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While I do agree he should play forward
He's playing forward.
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While I do agree he should play forward
He's playing forward.
So should Lennon.....
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Seems you don't rate anyone at Richmond claw :shh
mate all players have weaknesses all i have done is point them out with our players. some i rate highly some i think can play with those weaknesses or overcome them.
imo there some roles players should be asked to do and some they just dont have the attributes to perform so why ask em to do it.
what role are we looking to do with both lennon and mcdonough in defense. what type of player will they play on and have to defend. clearly we will look to free em up and have them use their foot skills in bringing it out. thats fine when the game goes to plan but what happens when it goes wrong and you need to play 1v1 you get your pants pulled down.who goes to say a rioli when morris is getting the run around mcdonough. nope too slow. do we leave bruest and puopolo free. cmon when in defense you must be able to defend.
a lennon at 188cm and slow of foot will not be asked to play on smalls in defense. hes not a natural defender so wont read it as well as say a vlastuin and cut it off. so he will play on mediums like chris mayne same height but quicker and much bigger what will the end result be.. it would be great if we could get the ball in his hands but not so great if hes forced to play 1v1.
this has been our trouble when allowed to play the way we want all is good but when clubs put the clamps on it goes to poo. atm all i ask is we play our kids in a role that will best allow em to succeed and develop. then once they have done that broaden their scope.
it seems we always have kids who come to the club say as a fwd and before you can say boo they are in defense.
i remember brad hardie winning a brownlow from the back pocket.he would get shedloads of ball provide good run and delivery every one would rave about his game but his direct oppenent has kicke 5 and they have lost the game by 2 goals. defenders must be capable of doing both roles real well.the better defenders do indeed do both roles well.
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spot on claw, what you described above is what newman has gotten away with over the years. Great rebounder, highly skilled peg, no-one disputes that, but his opponents have been giving him the run around for years.
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Not really sure what type of player McDonough can be.
From what I have seen I don't rate him at all. Just a small, slow, slightly heavy little guy with ok skills.
I know what position we would like him to play but I just don't think he has enough, if any tricks.
Can someone give me a decent player in the AFL that he could become like?
I'm not trying to be a hater but just not sure why we would draft this type of player. Completely the wrong body shape for the small forward type we drafted him for and his lack of genuine pace renders him to slow as well.
Good luck to him though, I hope he proves me wrong. I'd be happy if he did.
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Not really sure what type of player McDonough can be.
From what I have seen I don't rate him at all. Just a small, slow, slightly heavy little guy with ok skills.
I know what position we would like him to play but I just don't think he has enough, if any tricks.
Can someone give me a decent player in the AFL that he could become like?
I'm not trying to be a hater but just not sure why we would draft this type of player. Completely the wrong body shape for the small forward type we drafted him for and his lack of genuine pace renders him to slow as well.
Good luck to him though, I hope he proves me wrong. I'd be happy if he did.
Agree 100% :thumbsup
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While I do agree he should play forward
He's playing forward.
So should Lennon.....
No doubt he will end up there.
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spot on claw, what you described above is what newman has gotten away with over the years. Great rebounder, highly skilled peg, no-one disputes that, but his opponents have been giving him the run around for years.
could equally apply it to houli as well.when was the last time we saw houli do a shut down job on a garlett or betts its morris or nothing with us.
Seems you don't rate anyone at Richmond claw :shh
All either to slow, too small or too tall. Or just cant play.
Everybody is entitled to an opinion but most dont pass that opinion as fact. Ridiculous.
Lets see what this guy has offer before we either condem or praise.
reckon im always putting IMO in my posts.
and yes its my opinion lennon is slow as is mcdonough. yes its my opinion that lennon at 188cm is undersized atm. he would be lucky to break 80kg.
mate we have watched mcdonough for two yrs now surely that is enough time for anyone to see he lacks leg speed. we have seen he does not offer pace. but wait lets not criticise a players weaknesses that just isnt the done thing.
what amazes me is we continue to scream out for a quality sml/med fwd or two, we draft a few of these types and then refuse to play em fwd.instead playing them where they are most vulnerable.
yet we draft a promising hard running defender who has all the right attributes to play in defense and has shown an ability to actually defend a player and we refuse to play him back. yes like wp i like what attributes mcintosh has for the role. weather he makes it or not time will tell.
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Not really sure what type of player McDonough can be.
From what I have seen I don't rate him at all. Just a small, slow, slightly heavy little guy with ok skills.
I know what position we would like him to play but I just don't think he has enough, if any tricks.
Can someone give me a decent player in the AFL that he could become like?
I'm not trying to be a hater but just not sure why we would draft this type of player. Completely the wrong body shape for the small forward type we drafted him for and his lack of genuine pace renders him to slow as well.
Good luck to him though, I hope he proves me wrong. I'd be happy if he did.
He's definitely not a Betts/Garlett/Rioli type smll nippy fwd, more a Porplezia, LeCras type in the sense that he can play out of the square and plays taller. Takes a good grab 1 v 1 against opponents of similar size ie small defenders. Not super quick but is smart and knows where the goals are. Not saying he's going to be a player of the ilk of porplyzia or lecras but just trying to give a comparison into the type of role he played well in juniors and is best suited to imo.
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spot on claw, what you described above is what newman has gotten away with over the years. Great rebounder, highly skilled peg, no-one disputes that, but his opponents have been giving him the run around for years.
could equally apply it to houli as well.when was the last time we saw houli do a shut down job on a garlett or betts its morris or nothing with us.
Seems you don't rate anyone at Richmond claw :shh
All either to slow, too small or too tall. Or just cant play.
Everybody is entitled to an opinion but most dont pass that opinion as fact. Ridiculous.
Lets see what this guy has offer before we either condem or praise.
reckon im always putting IMO in my posts.
and yes its my opinion lennon is slow as is mcdonough. yes its my opinion that lennon at 188cm is undersized atm. he would be lucky to break 80kg.
mate we have watched mcdonough for two yrs now surely that is enough time for anyone to see he lacks leg speed. we have seen he does not offer pace. but wait lets not criticise a players weaknesses that just isnt the done thing.
what amazes me is we continue to scream out for a quality sml/med fwd or two, we draft a few of these types and then refuse to play em fwd.instead playing them where they are most vulnerable.
yet we draft a promising hard running defender who has all the right attributes to play in defense and has shown an ability to actually defend a player and we refuse to play him back. yes like wp i like what attributes mcintosh has for the role. weather he makes it or not time will tell.
Reckon McDonough is a lot quicker than lennon, he's not super quick but he's definitely not slow.
Also saw Lennon this preseason and he's huge now, looks like he's bulked up considerably, hope he's quicker too!
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Not really sure what type of player McDonough can be.
From what I have seen I don't rate him at all. Just a small, slow, slightly heavy little guy with ok skills.
I know what position we would like him to play but I just don't think he has enough, if any tricks.
Can someone give me a decent player in the AFL that he could become like?
I'm not trying to be a hater but just not sure why we would draft this type of player. Completely the wrong body shape for the small forward type we drafted him for and his lack of genuine pace renders him to slow as well.
Good luck to him though, I hope he proves me wrong. I'd be happy if he did.
He's definitely not a Betts/Garlett/Rioli type smll nippy fwd, more a Porplezia, LeCras type in the sense that he can play out of the square and plays taller. Takes a good grab 1 v 1 against opponents of similar size ie small defenders. Not super quick but is smart and knows where the goals are. Not saying he's going to be a player of the ilk of porplyzia or lecras but just trying to give a comparison into the type of role he played well in juniors and is best suited to imo.
Thanks Tone for your thoughts.
Those two you mentioned were elite in the air for blokes of their size. Not sure Matt is anywhere near that or will be left one out in the square like the other two.
If he becomes even half as good as those two at their prime he will be in our best 22.
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Also BT, Mcdo has better than just 'ok' skills. He is a beautiful kick on both sides. Very natural player.
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While I do agree he should play forward
He's playing forward.
Didn't he play off half back for a while?
Also can you get Lennon on the scales, I reckon he'd be above 80kg but Claw seems to think he's below that
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While I do agree he should play forward
He's playing forward.
Didn't he play off half back for a while?
Also can you get Lennon on the scales, I reckon he'd be above 80kg but Claw seems to think he's below that
What sort of beast has claws and scales?
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While I do agree he should play forward
He's playing forward.
Didn't he play off half back for a while?
Also can you get Lennon on the scales, I reckon he'd be above 80kg but Claw seems to think he's below that
most player dont magically stack on 8 10 kg in one yr. id reckon 3 or 4 would be the norm. at 77kg even if he stacks on 5kg that leaves him at 82kg and still well shy of where he needs to get.
i hope hes put on size and gained the core strength that goes with it. the sooner he can get to about 88kg the sooner he plays on an equal footing.
again all im saying is play him in roles that dont put him behind the 8 ball to start with.if we want him coming off h/b play him there when he has developed the attributes to perform well there size and strength woulkd go a long way to allow this. his pace will remain an issue though opposition clubs will go out of their way to exploit it and hes most vulnerable with it in defense.
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He could play tough footy at 85kg, but even that would take another year from now. 88-90kg we won't be seeing until probably 2017-18 if he gets there at all. Bulking up too young will make his pace even worse and probably wear his joints too much. He will need to mature physically before adding some proper weight. He's just not built like Martin etc
No reason why he can't play tough footy around 190/85 though. Plenty of wiry blokes out there with lean bodies but hard heads. Grant Birchall is below that ideal height/weight formula but is tough as nails, as are a handful of blokes on that Hawks list.
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He could play tough footy at 85kg, but even that would take another year from now. 88-90kg we won't be seeing until probably 2017-18 if he gets there at all. Bulking up too young will make his pace even worse and probably wear his joints too much. He will need to mature physically before adding some proper weight. He's just not built like Martin etc
No reason why he can't play tough footy around 190/85 though. Plenty of wiry blokes out there with lean bodies but hard heads. Grant Birchall is below that ideal height/weight formula but is tough as nails, as are a handful of blokes on that Hawks list.
dont think birchall a good example andyy. hes basically been listed at 91 to 93 kg since 2010. at 193 he fits the criteria within a kg or 2. he also has really good pace for a bloke his height. apart from that i agree with what your saying.
but lennon in yr 2 who is slow by foot and still undersized should be played in a role where he can best compete and succeed.
mate if i wanted a 188cm or smaller defender ready to go i can think of two mature types at east fremantle in the wafl who would give more in defence than lennon and have better attributes to play back there.
geez how tom howlett has not been picked up by an afl club is beyond me. and the same goes for his team mate andrew stephen who imo would easily be the best sml/med defender in the wafl with all the attributes to play afl.
sorry thats a little off tangent but why not address a need with a type who can address the need and play a kid like lennon in his best role.
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delist?
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I think he might be getting close to "see ya later'
needs to make some inroads pronto
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McDonough talking about his form ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-06-15/mcdonough-on-his-form
* The overall goal is to get back into the senior side, and make an impact. I’m confident if I got the opportunity, that I’d make it my own. I’ve just got to put a few good VFL games together. It’s about consistency, and waiting for my opportunity. I’d love to be able to get in there and show what I can do, and help the team. I’ve showed some good signs, and I’ve had a couple of disappointing games, but overall it’s been an improvement on last year.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-06-16/mcdonough-ready-for-another-afl-chance
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Play him in the forward 50 and see how he goes, i understand he has a few goals under his belt in a similar role before being drafted.
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list blocker grigg :clapping
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looks class to me
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Played a fine game today. His body shape seems to have changed somewhat.
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Deserves a solid chance at senior level as he uses the ball so very well.
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Deserves a recall
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....and a block of games so he can find his feet.
I'm not holding my breath though
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....and a block of games so he can find his feet.
I'm not holding my breath though
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Needs 3-4 games in a row either way as there is some talent there. Probably the most natural small forward/ mid we have.
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....and a block of games so he can find his feet.
I'm not holding my breath though
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Needs 3-4 games in a row either way as there is some talent there. Probably the most natural small forward/ mid we have.
play him for 3-4 and it will turn into the rest of the year. He can play if given the chance as he said in the video last week.
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Agreed TM, looks a natural footballer
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Deserves a spot in the team. Should take C.Ellis' spot this week.
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Looks like a inside mid
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could take etc's spot i reckon. etc has basically been unsighted for weeks now.
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I think he is a VFL footballer at best. Helbig had more upside. Hell even Weberley.
He is overweight for an AFL footballer and has no real weapon.
I know we all want to see something in some of our two's players but IMO it's not Matt.
Just my take and would be over the moon to be wrong!!
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Helbig had absolutely no upside and Webberly was one of the worst recruits in our history. McDonough is positively Rioli-like compared to those two.
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Helbig :lol
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The highlight of Webberley's career was getting subbed off in 2nd quarter against the gold Coast in Cairns.
I probably wouldn't use him as an example
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Yep - the first and I think only non- injured player to ever be subbed off before half-time, if nothing else you could say he made history.
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Helbig had absolutely no upside and Webberly was one of the worst recruits in our history. McDonough is positively Rioli-like compared to those two.
Let's be honest you probably idolized those two while they were on our list. Now they are gone they were the worst recruits in history.
What do you see in McDonough?
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Donut looks a natural inside mid who can play. He now looks like a man - I did not notice he is fat, yet he looks less of a boy. Watching yesterdays third quarter: I though I can see how donut used to get 35 possession games in the juniors.
On the back of the vfl game: I also reckon Lennon and Lambert are best 22 players, so what would I know?
On helbig, I liked him. He reminded me a bit of vlastuin. I am not sure if morris, hunt, grigg are any better than Dea or McDonough. I am just hoping donuts is not delisted, without getting a decent go. Like helbig. More so when there is a fleet on senior blokes the selection panel favor that are questionable
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Helbig had absolutely no upside and Webberly was one of the worst recruits in our history. McDonough is positively Rioli-like compared to those two.
Let's be honest you probably idolized those two while they were on our list. Now they are gone they were the worst recruits in history.
What do you see in McDonough?
Well that's pretty condescending and immature, though true to form for you, to suggest that but anyway...apart from his good footskills and footy smarts, not much actually, I agree that he's slow and I doubt he can be the clearance player at AFL level that he is at VFL level...but you said he was worse than Helbig & Webberly - which he clearly isn't. Would still like to see him given a decent run of games as a midfielder/hff...
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Helbig had absolutely no upside and Webberly was one of the worst recruits in our history. McDonough is positively Rioli-like compared to those two.
Let's be honest you probably idolized those two while they were on our list. Now they are gone they were the worst recruits in history.
What do you see in McDonough?
Well that's pretty condescending and immature, though true to form for you, to suggest that but anyway...apart from his good footskills and footy smarts, not much actually, I agree that he's slow and I doubt he can be the clearance player at AFL level that he is at VFL level...but you said he was worse than Helbig & Webberly - which he clearly isn't. Would still like to see him given a decent run of games as a midfielder/hff...
It was suppose to be condescending so I'm glad you got that. I'd like to be more immature too but I don't think I need to put everyone else through that.
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LMAO
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I think he is a VFL footballer at best. Helbig had more upside. Hell even Weberley.
He is overweight for an AFL footballer and has no real weapon.
I know we all want to see something in some of our two's players but IMO it's not Matt.
Just my take and would be over the moon to be wrong!!
I think his weapons are his kicking and footy smarts. Both are enough to ensure he makes it given the opportunity.
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Highlights of McDonough's game in the VFL:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-06-22/vfl-round-10-mcdonough-highlights
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I think he is a VFL footballer at best. Helbig had more upside. Hell even Weberley.
He is overweight for an AFL footballer and has no real weapon.
I know we all want to see something in some of our two's players but IMO it's not Matt.
Just my take and would be over the moon to be wrong!!
Agree hes a bum. Whats the odds on us keeping him for another three yrs rather than making a call that should be made. small player 3rd yr struggling with obvious deficiencies usually equates to havent seen enough too hard to make a call give him 3 yrs to be sure..
AHH the merry go round. it isnt changing. false hope, over rating performances, no substance. BUT we will win a flag with these blokes in 2 or 3 yrs time.hhhhaaaarrrrgggghhh
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I think he is a VFL footballer at best. Helbig had more upside. Hell even Weberley.
He is overweight for an AFL footballer and has no real weapon.
I know we all want to see something in some of our two's players but IMO it's not Matt.
Just my take and would be over the moon to be wrong!!
Agree hes a bum. Whats the odds on us keeping him for another three yrs rather than making a call that should be made. small player 3rd yr struggling with obvious deficiencies usually equates to havent seen enough too hard to make a call give him 3 yrs to be sure..
AHH the merry go round. it isnt changing. false hope, over rating performances, no substance. BUT we will win a flag with these blokes in 2 or 3 yrs time.hhhhaaaarrrrgggghhh
You forgot to say the player is ONLY in his 3rd year and that he has been played down back at first even though he was a natural half forward. Then he has been played on ball and then down forward. There is this belief that you are not allowed to play them where they played their best footy as youngsters at our club…….There are also some guys that are late bloomers. There is also the fact that it is difficult to play good footy as a youngster when the VFL ring ins you play with are below standard and turn the ball over consistently to our opposition…...
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I still reckon McDonough has the attributes to make if he's given a fair crack at it.
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I still reckon McDonough has the attributes to make if he's given a fair crack at it.
:thumbsup
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I still reckon McDonough has the attributes to make if he's given a fair crack at it.
:thumbsup
:thumbsup :thumbsup
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Not a huge fan myself. Lacks speed and awareness.
But I'm happy to be proven wrong in time
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Not a huge fan myself. Lacks speed and awareness.
But I'm happy to be proven wrong in time
It's so interesting what we all see, I see awareness as a strength of his and has around average speed.
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He deserves a crack at it , I'm on the fence , he s done enough to force his way in though and show us what he can do :shh
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Not sold myself but he's earnt the right to a recall
Hope he gets it ahead of Newman
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Should be played as a small forward I reckon
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Should be played as a small forward I reckon
Nope too slow
Inside mid
Should be in Griggs spot
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Thought he went ok for his first game in a long time. Like Lennon, wasn't used as much as he should but loved his courageous spoil against big Nick :clapping Won the clearance the first time he started in the middle :whistle held his nerve to taken a great mark with opposition bearing down :thumbsup and drilled a fantastic 35 m pass on his left side to a team mate who didn't break stride. As Dimma said it takes time to adjust to the speed of AFL and I think he went ok. Hope he plays this week.
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Not sold myself but he's earnt the right to a recall
Hope he gets it ahead of Newman
With you WP, also happy to be proven wrong, are these players given KPI's and judged based on their achievement levels??
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Did enough to earn another game I reckon
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Good when in the guts
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Fat slob
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Was happy with the things he did but he will need to do more of them going forward. I would be really disappointed (and sceptical) if he got dropped after that one game.
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Was happy with the things he did but he will need to do more of them going forward. I would be really disappointed (and sceptical) if he got dropped after that one game.
He shouldn't get dropped unless Newy has a brother on the list I'm not familiar with? :huh3
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Newy had 15p, 10 contested at 80% and a ripping goal, time for some new material ::)
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Fat slob
I was watching the game with my brother who doesn't watch many Tigers games and the first thing he said when he saw Donuts is "this guy is fat for an AFL footballer"
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Fat slob
I was watching the game with my brother who doesn't watch many Tigers games and the first thing he said when he saw Donuts is "this guy is fat for an AFL footballer"
Goes to the dietician that Relton Roberts used! :shh
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Fat slob
I was watching the game with my brother who doesn't watch many Tigers games and the first thing he said when he saw Donuts is "this guy is fat for an AFL footballer"
Goes to the dietician that Relton Roberts used! :shh
:clapping
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Fat slob
I was watching the game with my brother who doesn't watch many Tigers games and the first thing he said when he saw Donuts is "this guy is fat for an AFL footballer"
Goes to the dietician that Relton Roberts used! :shh
Should wear a long sleeve guernsey and hide a hamburger in his sleeve :shh
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Newy had 15p, 10 contested at 80% and a ripping goal, time for some new material ::)
Guy has been poor this season and arguably last season too.. Or didn't you get the transcript? :shh
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:D
I like Mc
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I personally think he looks fat but so does Swan. What I did see was that he wasn't much good and that's what concerns me.
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Certainly is not a natural footballer and his body shape doesn't suggest otherwise, he does however require a block of games to see whether he can cut the mustard. This method of selecting young guys and dropping the next week does nothing for their confidence firstly but secondly we all know the speed of the game between VFL and AFL is vastly different so they do need some time to transition. Obviously your elite youngsters do this much quicker than this guy or similar players we have on our list. It's a development thing and I suppose it's up to the list managers to determine if we invest further time and effort into these players but at the same time you have to provide reasonable opportunities.
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Surely you jest, is one of the most natural players u could find
Definitely not a athlete though
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Surely you jest, is one of the most natural players u could find
Definitely not a athlete though
agreed. footy smarts. should be crumbing in the forward line i reckon
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Looks a natural footballer to me. More so, when he is in the middle
He looks a bit fat, but is getting leaner IMO.
Body shape and natural footballer are non rated imho
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The issue is that he's not an athlete
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The issue is that he's not an athlete
the argument is nor is the like of Swan and he goes alright
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Again its getting used to the speed of the game but there was one instance against the Saints where in the forward 50 the ball basically just fell into his lap and he didn't get close to the goals with the resulting snap. For me a natural footballer would have nailed it even accounting for the fact he hasn't seen a lot of senior football. Maybe my definition of a natural footballer is different to others, my interpretation is they do things without appearing to think long about it and on most occasions make the right decisions under pressure. From what i have seen so far he is a workmanlike player who with some perseverance might become a better player via hard work rather than drawing on sheer natural ability. To me an example of a natural footballer is Corey Ellis, Donut needs to emulate how he moves around the ground and executes when required to do so.
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The issue is that he's not an athlete
the argument is nor is the like of Swan and he goes alright
True. But Swan is at least quick. Donuts is short, slow and pudgy. Has a few tricks though. We'll see.
Hope he gets a run of games.
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Excellent footskills, decision making and a good clearance player, with the right development, he could become a very useful player despite the physical deficiencies. A bargain bin Mitchell.
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never ceases to amaze me that people expect players to just step into the team and adjust to the pace and intensity of afl footy straight away.
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never ceases to amaze me that people expect players to just step into the team and adjust to the pace and intensity of afl footy straight away.
Fair enough comment Al but I would suggest most people would like to altleast see something they can hang there hat on when a player breaks into the senior team.
Do you think he looks fat?
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couldnt give a stuff how he looks, but if people are going to call for a player to be dropped after one game then dont bag the selectors for doing so with other players.
most players will need a number of games to adjust to the pace of AFL footy, and while he didnt show anything spectacular last game, i saw things i liked about him in previous games, but then he got dropped without a chance to find his feet and settle into the team.
on the flip side, how many players have a blinder of a debut that gets everyone moist, only to fade into obscurity?
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couldnt give a stuff how he looks, but if people are going to call for a player to be dropped after one game then dont bag the selectors for doing so with other players.
most players will need a number of games to adjust to the pace of AFL footy, and while he didnt show anything spectacular last game, i saw things i liked about him in previous games, but then he got dropped without a chance to find his feet and settle into the team.
on the flip side, how many players have a blinder of a debut that gets everyone moist, only to fade into obscurity?
Yes so true don't remind us of Polo and McGrath please.
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Or McIntosh :shh