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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 22, 2012, 08:25:24 PM
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As the thread title says - How did we all rate our draft effort tonight?
DOB Hgt Wgt Position Club
9. Nick Vlastuin 19/04/1994 186cm 85kg Defender Northern Knights
31. Kamdyn McIntosh 03/04/1994 192cm 85kg Defender Peel Thunder
33. Liam McBean 25/08/1994 203cm 86kg Ruckman Calder Cannons
42. Matthew McDonough 26/01/1994 179cm 83kg Forward Woodville West Torrens
87. Pass
100. Pass
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
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Dorothy Mantooth is not happy
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
Seriously? I don't about him. Was he tipped to go earlier?
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McStoked.
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Confused.
Really thought we needed to target true mids rather than a defender and a forward who may have potential to be midfielders. Didn't see these as areas that needed attention, at least not with national draft picks.
Happy enough with McBean as a project ruck - versatility will be important. Happy enough with Vlastuin - very much another Conca selection.
Be interested to see what else we do and how we address our lack of midfield depth.
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Since 2009 when we drafted Dusty at pick 3, we have only drafted 1 genuine mid in the 4 drafts since, and that was Matthew Arnot at pick 50 odd. (which is only a 20% chance of making it IMO)
Would have thought that this year we would have gone an out and out mid with our first pick after drafting two small type back flankers (safe picks IMO) the last two years with our first pick. (and IMO neither will play midfield in the future as much as we all hope they do)
Also not sure why we need another medium/tall defenders in Kamden Mcintosh? Considering we have Grimes, Rance and now Chaplin in the trade period. Also having Astbury, Batchelor, Griffiths, Dea and even McGaune that play that position. IMO we are either saying Astbury was a mistake, Griffiths is still a 50-50 and McGuane is now a forward.... And Post was a massive mistake at pick 26.
IMO we needed a couple of genuine mids and an old fashion CHF. We have Todd Elton from last year that looks like he is 2to3 years away from being able to compete at the level, Griffiths if they ever decide to play him there, and Tyrone who is a bit of a ruck/pocket type, and Derickx who is only a 20% chance of being any good. Jack needs a fair bit of help down there with somebody else that can take a contested grab.
Anyway just my take! :gotigers
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Purely face value as we dont know how good these guys will be.
I find McBean a bit of a strange pick, were we reaching getting him there or was he tipped around the mark? Looks a very long term type, would we have been better served picking up a project ruckman in the rookie draft rather than wasting a 2nd rounder on him?
McDonut, the SEN guys were surprised we took him, "can play but lazy" were the words used to describe him and since when has a 179cm fwd been a medium fwd? :huh He may have been able to clunk marks against boys but in the AFL they are bigger, faster stronger, does he have other tricks bc one of his major weapons will likely be non existant at afl level.
Our 1st and 2nd picks look pretty good (at face value)
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Purely face value as we dont know how good these guys will be.
I find McBean a bit of a strange pick, were we reaching getting him there or was he tipped around the mark? Looks a very long term type, would we have been better served picking up a project ruckman in the rookie draft rather than wasting a 2nd rounder on him?
McDonut, the SEN guys were surprised we took him, "can play but lazy" were the words used to describe him and since when has a 179cm fwd been a medium fwd? :huh He may have been able to clunk marks against boys but in the AFL they are bigger, faster stronger, does he have other tricks bc one of his major weapons will likely be non existant at afl level.
Our 1st and 2nd picks look pretty good (at face value)
Agree with alot of this summary except I think we can accept that the McBean selection has been made with a long term plan in mind.
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i find weve recruited for needs but it seems alot of our picks have been outdone by other clubs.
vlastuin went before a number of guns, McBean went alot earlier than expected, and someone tell me why we didnt draft a mid ahead of key back McIntosh?
for this reason seems like the most dissapointing draft in a few years. hmmmmmm
suppose we will find out in time.
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Does Blair McHartley get a hard on for Mc's ?
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i dont log on here to read we drafted 3 more Scots, when i CLEARLY said i wanted more wogs in the team.
>:(
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Does Blair McHartley get a hard on for Mc's ?
Only Mc Dubstep.....
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Does Blair McHartley get a hard on for Mc's ?
Only Mc Dubstep.....
McPig
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Since 2009 when we drafted Dusty at pick 3, we have only drafted 1 genuine mid in the 4 drafts since, and that was Matthew Arnot at pick 50 odd. (which is only a 20% chance of making it IMO)
Would have thought that this year we would have gone an out and out mid with our first pick after drafting two small type back flankers (safe picks IMO) the last two years with our first pick. (and IMO neither will play midfield in the future as much as we all hope they do)
Also not sure why we need another medium/tall defenders in Kamden Mcintosh? Considering we have Grimes, Rance and now Chaplin in the trade period. Also having Astbury, Batchelor, Griffiths, Dea and even McGaune that play that position. IMO we are either saying Astbury was a mistake, Griffiths is still a 50-50 and McGuane is now a forward.... And Post was a massive mistake at pick 26.
IMO we needed a couple of genuine mids and an old fashion CHF. We have Todd Elton from last year that looks like he is 2to3 years away from being able to compete at the level, Griffiths if they ever decide to play him there, and Tyrone who is a bit of a ruck/pocket type, and Derickx who is only a 20% chance of being any good. Jack needs a fair bit of help down there with somebody else that can take a contested grab.
Anyway just my take! :gotigers
Reece Conca is a midfiedler?
We picked up Shaun Grigg as well..
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
very much so. :thumbsup :cheers
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Lets face it when it comes to picking future stars from the draft it is a bit of a lottery. Obviously there are some standouts but beyond that who really knows how an 18/19 year old kid is going to develop over the next five or so years or whether they get delisted well within that time.
Highlights are exactly that, the best bits of a player's performance. Its a bit like watching the trailer of a movie which looks great but then when you see the whole movie it's crap. I think we have to have faith in the methods of our recruiters and assume that each player picked has an important role to play as a piece of the Tigers puzzle moving forward. Personally i think they have picked a good mix of kids, all appear to have decent disposal skills which of course with the high possession style of play these days is an absolute must. As they say in the classics time will tell.
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thats the thing now, the club is so far advanced with who
they will be picking next year, especially FA.
nice balance of picks.
well done.
tick to the RFC. tick tick tick tick.
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The AFL site's take:
RICHMOND
It seems like even if Lachie Whitfield had somehow fallen to pick nine, the Tigers still would have drafted Nick Vlastuin. That's how much they loved him and his aggressive, tough streak. After that the Tigers went big, clearly on the lookout for some back up in defence and attack. Kamdyn McIntosh rose up the ranks towards the end of the year and would have been snapped up by West Coast if he got through to its first pick, while Liam McBean will be a project player: he has talent but needs time to develop his wiry frame. Matthew Mcdonough's solid frame should see him get a few games next year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151600/default.aspx
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I like that we picked up a hard nut mid and a young ruck (that shifter had in his 30 best players in the draft). A tall endurance runner halfback/winger and a goalkicker who can also rack up posies in the midfield give us a nice spread of different types. Now lets just hope they can play at AFL level.
With 4 more players to add to the list, would be good to add an experienced ruckman, a couple of mids, and a key position project to the list. :thumbsup
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
do you realise they took mcintosh as a mid not a tall defender. way too cute as usual for me. if we want a bloody mid why dont we draft a kid whos bloody played as one, but no that would be too easy for those smucks with the fantastic record not.
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There was always going to be butt hurt.
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
do you realise they took mcintosh as a mid not a tall defender. way too cute as usual for me. if we want a bloody mid why dont we draft a kid whos bloody played as one, but no that would be too easy for those smucks with the fantastic record not.
yeah coz everyone knows that where a kid plays as a junior determines his whole career
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The AFL site's take:
RICHMOND
It seems like even if Lachie Whitfield had somehow fallen to pick nine, the Tigers still would have drafted Nick Vlastuin. That's how much they loved him and his aggressive, tough streak. After that the Tigers went big, clearly on the lookout for some back up in defence and attack. Kamdyn McIntosh rose up the ranks towards the end of the year and would have been snapped up by West Coast if he got through to its first pick, while Liam McBean will be a project player: he has talent but needs time to develop his wiry frame. Matthew Mcdonough's solid frame should see him get a few games next year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151600/default.aspx
wce had pick 46 we had 42 why did we not take mcintosh here if we were worried about the eagles. besides jackson said he took mcintosh as a big bodied mid me i dont think he knows a mid from a tall defender.
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
do you realise they took mcintosh as a mid not a tall defender. way too cute as usual for me. if we want a bloody mid why dont we draft a kid whos bloody played as one, but no that would be too easy for those smucks with the fantastic record not.
dimma said at the draft they saw him as a tall wing. A few of the media reports on him say he moved up the wing in the second half of the season and did pretty well there. I reckon the wing is an area we have been pretty week for a few years,though has improved recentlywith Lids playing there more often and the addition of Griggs, but still a position we can build on.
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
Slow and unfit?
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get of your arse and exercise then.
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get of your arse and exercise then.
and theres the butt hurt
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Matthew Mcdonough-Hope he turns into a gun player
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
do you realise they took mcintosh as a mid not a tall defender. way too cute as usual for me. if we want a bloody mid why dont we draft a kid whos bloody played as one, but no that would be too easy for those smucks with the fantastic record not.
Yep
But they have also said that as a defender he can play as a tall or as small and they hope he can play as a tall mid. Win/win I would have thought. Would think he will bulk up over time so over time he should be able to play in the bigger bodies. He is only 1cm shorter than Grimes (and BTW the same height as Pavlich) so the opportunity is there over time with the right development to have a bloke who will be able to play a number of positions including KPP. Helps that he is very good kick and and has a big tank
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
do you realise they took mcintosh as a mid not a tall defender. way too cute as usual for me. if we want a bloody mid why dont we draft a kid whos bloody played as one, but no that would be too easy for those smucks with the fantastic record not.
Maybe this will help Claw:
Pick 31: Camdyn McIntosh, Peel Thunder
Jackson says: He's a 192cm player who played a key defensive role during the national carnival, but he has the ability to play a midfield role because he has elite endurance. He was in the top three per cent at the Draft Combine for the beep test and 3km time trial. After the carnival, he came back and played senior WAFL footy for Peel Thunder as an outside midfielder.
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No, no, no no. Just no!
played as a backman in the champs, listed as a backman in his bio on the AFL website, so therefor he is, and can never be anything but, a backman.
Nothing else matters.
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Im pinching myself we were able to do what we did, ....again :clapping
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Im pinching myself we were able to do what we did, ....again :clapping
Bloody hell, it's that time of the year again. Everyone is a prodigy and Richmond are going to the promise land. Time for Ramps to bring out his BJ thread again
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I'm hearing alot of angry house wifes on the forum lol.Pies had 3 picks in the top 20 offcourse they were going to do well.
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Very happy
Can't believed we snared McIntosh ;D
do you realise they took mcintosh as a mid not a tall defender. way too cute as usual for me. if we want a bloody mid why dont we draft a kid whos bloody played as one, but no that would be too easy for those smucks with the fantastic record not.
Maybe this will help Claw:
Pick 31: Camdyn McIntosh, Peel Thunder
Jackson says: He's a 192cm player who played a key defensive role during the national carnival, but he has the ability to play a midfield role because he has elite endurance. He was in the top three per cent at the Draft Combine for the beep test and 3km time trial. After the carnival, he came back and played senior WAFL footy for Peel Thunder as an outside midfielder.
Or this:
McDonough is noted as a clever half forward/inside midfielder who represented South Australia at the 2011 and 2012 National Championships.
He was named in the All-Australian team for his performance in the 2012 championships.
He was a dominant member with his U18 team in the SANFL with two 38-possession games through the midfield, then was instrumental in is side’s premiership win with a 28 possession, four-goal grand final performance.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/default.aspx?newsid=151562 (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/default.aspx?newsid=151562)
So as I see it - 3 versatile mids that have a mix of height, some that can play back and one that can play forward, plus a young ruckman who shows an above average level of skills. And we didn't draft well or address structural needs in the draft?
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Gee they're writing some crap on the RFC website these days. They taking the pee even out of themselves.
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Happens every year.People not happy with some/most of our selections.Why should this year be any different
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Terrific, just terrific :thumbsup
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i find weve recruited for needs but it seems alot of our picks have been outdone by other clubs.
vlastuin went before a number of guns, McBean went alot earlier than expected, and someone tell me why we didnt draft a mid ahead of key back McIntosh?
for this reason seems like the most dissapointing draft in a few years. hmmmmmm
suppose we will find out in time.
Ummm Vlastuin is a gun in his own right. He's better than Grundy. Been hoping for him since last years draft. Over the moon with that pick. Many clubs rated him top 5 just not the crappy clubs that picked before us. :lol
McIntosh is a winger which last time I checked is part of the midfield. Coach should know whether wing is a midfield position? Where's Coach when you need him? If Simpson/Towers hadn't slid McIntosh would have gone at 17 or 22. He was a slider.
McBean was touted all year as a first rounder. Again he's a slider.
McDonough is a gun. Dual AA forward. Stepped in for Menzel at Champs and was just as effective as Carlton's pick 11. 15 goals in 3 games playing FF.
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The AFL site's take:
RICHMOND
It seems like even if Lachie Whitfield had somehow fallen to pick nine, the Tigers still would have drafted Nick Vlastuin. That's how much they loved him and his aggressive, tough streak. After that the Tigers went big, clearly on the lookout for some back up in defence and attack. Kamdyn McIntosh rose up the ranks towards the end of the year and would have been snapped up by West Coast if he got through to its first pick, while Liam McBean will be a project player: he has talent but needs time to develop his wiry frame. Matthew Mcdonough's solid frame should see him get a few games next year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151600/default.aspx
wce had pick 46 we had 42 why did we not take mcintosh here if we were worried about the eagles. besides jackson said he took mcintosh as a big bodied mid me i dont think he knows a mid from a tall defender.
Ummm lol. Freo wanted him at 17. Then Simpson didn't go to GC as expected. Sydney were going to take him if Pies took Towers. Would have thought being from Perth you would have seen him play midfield. Too busy talking up Tom Lee to watch him?
In your defence I wouldn't want to watch Peel play either. :lol
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md4pnvaVyr1qis0i9o1_400.gif)
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Grundy looks like a 70s DJ.
FFS who wanted him LMAO?
We got a hard nut instead.
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Grundy looks like a 70s DJ.
FFS who wanted him LMAO?
We got a hard nut instead.
He looks like George Michael and Andrew Ridgley had a baby
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Grundy looks like a 70s DJ.
FFS who wanted him LMAO?
We got a hard nut instead.
He looks like George Michael and Andrew Ridgley had a baby
:lol
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Out of the 4 we know Vlastuin will play but out of the other 3 who will get a gig next year?
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Out of the 4 we know Vlastuin will play but out of the other 3 who will get a gig next year?
McIntosh.
Maybe McDonough depending on his fitness levels.
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Out of the 4 we know Vlastuin will play but out of the other 3 who will get a gig next year?
McIntosh.
Maybe McDonough depending on his fitness levels.
Mcintosh won't play unless someone goes down?
Mcbean no chance at all?
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Out of the 4 we know Vlastuin will play but out of the other 3 who will get a gig next year?
McIntosh.
Maybe McDonough depending on his fitness levels.
Mcintosh won't play unless someone goes down?
Mcbean no chance at all?
Surely 1 midfielder will go down or Ellis will get tired on a wing. Batch always gets injured at least once. Plenty of chances for McIntosh.
Not sure on McBean. Elton got a game so he may get 1 or 2 if we are desperate.
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All bar McBean should get a game.
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All bar McBean should get a game.
Don't hate on Beaner
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Very pleased with the selection of Beaner (I got him in the OER Phantom Draft, so I'm an expert :police: ), just won't be physically ready for AFL next season. 8)
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Really hoping none of them get a game until after mid year. This will mean they have 1) earned their spot, 2) we have few injuries and 3) their are many more big bodied, senior players in front of them.
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Why can't they earn their spot prior to round one instead of blokes like Newman getting a game on reputation?
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Very pleased with the selection of Beaner (I got him in the OER Phantom Draft, so I'm an expert :police: ), just won't be physically ready for AFL next season. 8)
David Bourke mk II ?
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Why can't they earn their spot prior to round one instead of blokes like Newman getting a game on reputation?
:clapping
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Very pleased with the selection of Beaner (I got him in the OER Phantom Draft, so I'm an expert :police: ), just won't be physically ready for AFL next season. 8)
David Bourke mk II ?
Was Bourke a ruckman :wallywink :wallywink
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Very pleased with the selection of Beaner (I got him in the OER Phantom Draft, so I'm an expert :police: ), just won't be physically ready for AFL next season. 8)
David Bourke mk II ?
Was Bourke a ruckman :wallywink :wallywink
He sure was skinny though
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All bar McBean should get a game.
x 2
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I expect Vlastuin and McIntosh to become really good players for us. McBean is 2 to 3 years away. McDonut well thats up to him if he works hard anythings possible I suppose.
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MM is a pure excitement machine, I expect he'll play his way into the team R 1 , boy Ive been wanting a goal kicking freak to arrive at Punt rd for some time, my prayers just may have been answered :shh
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you pitch so many tents you must be in the scouts, badgejangler :lol
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Mmmm its Mac time :thumbsup
I hope they go well but in the past we haven't done so well with Mac's like McDonald, McMahon, McGuane, McGrath, McQueen and who could forget McPost, McGourdis, McTaylor, McRoberts, McHughes and so on...
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McVlastuin.
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you pitch so many tents you must be in the scouts, badgejangler :lol
:lol
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No, no, no no. Just no!
played as a backman in the champs, listed as a backman in his bio on the AFL website, so therefor he is, and can never be anything but, a backman.
Nothing else matters.
well those at peel you know the ones who watch him week in week out say hes a tall defender who can play on smalls they acknowledge his endurance etc but think him more a tight checking player rather than a run and rebound player.
for arguments sake i will phrase it most of his junior career hes played as a defender but has been given the odd run in other positions.
i think hes a good player but please its stretching it to call him a mid.
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No, no, no no. Just no!
played as a backman in the champs, listed as a backman in his bio on the AFL website, so therefor he is, and can never be anything but, a backman.
Nothing else matters.
well those at peel you know the ones who watch him week in week out say hes a tall defender who can play on smalls they acknowledge his endurance etc but think him more a tight checking player rather than a run and rebound player.
for arguments sake i will phrase it most of his junior career hes played as a defender but has been given the odd run in other positions.
i think hes a good player but please its stretching it to call him a mid.
No wonder Peel are poo. They played him on a wing in seniors. If he's a defender in their eyes maybe they were tanking?
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who gives a stuff where someone plays a junior. to pigeon hole someone because their coach played them in a certain position, normally as to what is best fit for the team, is mental.
He played 4 senior games as an outside mid for peel and did a fair job. he has the attributes to play as a wingman, if hes good enough.
this whole notion that where someone plays as a junior means that is their position for life is close to the most stuffed up poo that gets sprouted on the internet.
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Cant say I was overly impressed, thought we would have gone a few more pure mids, oh well
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who gives a stuff where someone plays a junior. to pigeon hole someone because their coach played them in a certain position, normally as to what is best fit for the team, is mental.
He played 4 senior games as an outside mid for peel and did a fair job. he has the attributes to play as a wingman, if hes good enough.
he played 4 senior games on a wing because he was too lihght to play kp.
this whole notion that where someone plays as a junior means that is their position for life is close to the most stuffed up poo that gets sprouted on the internet.
i think the debate is did we take a genuine mid even a fool can see we didnt. noone anywhere has said that where someone plays as a junior is where they play for life they are your words bud.
is it unreasobnable to ask why not take a kid who is a genuine mid that has played there most of his career rather than take a kid whos rarely played there at pick 31 our second pick and an important one who may with development become a mid. can you not tell the difference betwween ready made mid and having to develop a mid.
ive always believed you take mids to play on the flanks not the other way around. isnt that whats been espoused for yrs now far easier to turn a mid into a flanker than a flanker into a mid.
finally do you think it unreasonable to question what we have done or are you one of those who think what ever they do is right.
me im happy to have mcintosh as a defender and if they can turn him into an effective mid fine but lets call it the way it is.
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Not many pure mids were taken after the first round.
Edit: I count 1. Nick Graham. And he's a poor kick of the footy.
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who gives a stuff where someone plays a junior. to pigeon hole someone because their coach played them in a certain position, normally as to what is best fit for the team, is mental.
He played 4 senior games as an outside mid for peel and did a fair job. he has the attributes to play as a wingman, if hes good enough.
he played 4 senior games on a wing because he was too lihght to play kp.
this whole notion that where someone plays as a junior means that is their position for life is close to the most stuffed up poo that gets sprouted on the internet.
i think the debate is did we take a genuine mid even a fool can see we didnt. noone anywhere has said that where someone plays as a junior is where they play for life they are your words bud.
is it unreasobnable to ask why not take a kid who is a genuine mid that has played there most of his career rather than take a kid whos rarely played there at pick 31 our second pick and an important one who may with development become a mid. can you not tell the difference betwween ready made mid and having to develop a mid.
ive always believed you take mids to play on the flanks not the other way around. isnt that whats been espoused for yrs now far easier to turn a mid into a flanker than a flanker into a mid.
finally do you think it unreasonable to question what we have done or are you one of those who think what ever they do is right.
me im happy to have mcintosh as a defender and if they can turn him into an effective mid fine but lets call it the way it is.
I think you take the kid that you think best has the tools to play the position you want, irrelevant of where his junior coach played him
the players education starts now, everything up to now has been pre school.
if you think that only those played as a mid as a junior are midfielders you vastly reduce your options. all you should be concentrating on are their attributes.
if you are not saying that where a kid plays as a junior sets his position as an adult, why do you keep harping on about where these guys played as kids?
you either think they are pigeon holed in that position or you believe it is possible they can play elsewhere. no grey area with this one.
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Would have loved Grundy. Having said that if Vlas is anything like Voss (which he reminds me of so much), I'll be happy to eat my words. At he very least he will add steel to our side which is never a bad thing!
As we didn't get Grundy, I was very happy to see the selection of McBean. Grundy would have played next year but McBean will not be ready for 3. He has a lot of upside and has more skill and agility than Gus and Browne combined.
Mckintosh seems to have great attributes such as height, endurance and kicking skills. In a short time he has come a long way which shows great character and talent.
McDonough has the X factor that our side needs. Performs in big games and has a swagger.
All we have here though is potential. It's now up to our development team to turn potential into reality.
:gotigers
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how good
will let u know in 2 yrs
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You are a ball
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A crystal ball :lol
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A crystal ball :lol
:lol
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Beanpole project ruck men worry me. McBean better bulk up soon. I wouldn't play him much first year, I'd put him in the gym for a 12 month pre season bulk up, with skill sessions in between.
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Choco's first crop
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Theres no hurry for Mcbean to bulk up, Ivan and Ty can carry the load for some time yet,and theres always that great chest mark Derrykx to fill the void
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Elton, too.(197cm)
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A crystal ball :lol
:lol solid comeback is solid. :bow
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Beanpole project ruck men worry me. McBean better bulk up soon. I wouldn't play him much first year, I'd put him in the gym for a 12 month pre season bulk up, with skill sessions in between.
yeah, like man mountains such as Gus are a heaps better choice ::)
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Was Cameron Ling FF as a junior?
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Was Cameron Ling FF as a junior?
Dunno but he has always been a ranga
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Were there any potential A grade players from our draftees. To be honest I dont see any. I see Vlastuin as having a B grade ceiling, McIntosh a C+/B grade ceiling, McDonough a C grade ceiling, McBean a C+ grade ceiling. Collingwood got Grundy and Kennedy who will be A grade players in their system and Broomhead a B grade ceiling player.
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Were there any potential A grade players from our draftees. To be honest I dont see any. I see Vlastuin as having a B grade ceiling, McIntosh a C+/B grade ceiling, McDonough a C grade ceiling, McBean a C+ grade ceiling. Collingwood got Grundy and Kennedy who will be A grade players in their system and Broomhead a B grade ceiling player.
With all due respect, with the same logic you would have given Michael Voss a B grade ceiling too using the same criteria!
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Beanpole project ruck men worry me. McBean better bulk up soon. I wouldn't play him much first year, I'd put him in the gym for a 12 month pre season bulk up, with skill sessions in between.
yeah, like man mountains such as Gus are a heaps better choice ::)
But beanpoles like Pattison are good :O. The game is even more collision based than when we took Pattison, McBeanpole better work hard.
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Was Cameron Ling FF as a junior?
Yep he was.
Footballers can end up playing in a surprisingly different position on the ground in senior footy compared to where they played in their junior days. Michael Roach for instance was a wingman when he was first recruited.
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Were there any potential A grade players from our draftees. To be honest I dont see any. I see Vlastuin as having a B grade ceiling, McIntosh a C+/B grade ceiling, McDonough a C grade ceiling, McBean a C+ grade ceiling. Collingwood got Grundy and Kennedy who will be A grade players in their system and Broomhead a B grade ceiling player.
With all due respect, with the same logic you would have given Michael Voss a B grade ceiling too using the same criteria!
With all due respect this is a forum and if I wanna post crap then I will post crap and if it works out for me I will come back and claim to have picked it 100% if my rankings dont work out I will just come back and say its just an internet forum and it doesnt matter. Thats how we roll on OER... no responsibility is taken for stupidity ;D
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Were there any potential A grade players from our draftees. To be honest I dont see any. I see Vlastuin as having a B grade ceiling, McIntosh a C+/B grade ceiling, McDonough a C grade ceiling, McBean a C+ grade ceiling. Collingwood got Grundy and Kennedy who will be A grade players in their system and Broomhead a B grade ceiling player.
With all due respect, with the same logic you would have given Michael Voss a B grade ceiling too using the same criteria!
With all due respect this is a forum and if I wanna post crap then I will post crap and if it works out for me I will come back and claim to have picked it 100% if my rankings dont work out I will just come back and say its just an internet forum and it doesnt matter. Thats how we roll on OER... no responsibility is taken for stupidity ;D
now thats some funny poo
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Were there any potential A grade players from our draftees. To be honest I dont see any. I see Vlastuin as having a B grade ceiling, McIntosh a C+/B grade ceiling, McDonough a C grade ceiling, McBean a C+ grade ceiling. Collingwood got Grundy and Kennedy who will be A grade players in their system and Broomhead a B grade ceiling player.
With all due respect, with the same logic you would have given Michael Voss a B grade ceiling too using the same criteria!
With all due no respect...... :rollin
With all due respect this is a forum and if I wanna post crap then I will post crap and if it works out for me I will come back and claim to have picked it 100% if my rankings dont work out I will just come back and say its just an internet forum and it doesnt matter. Thats how we roll on OER... no responsibility is taken for stupidity ;D
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Were there any potential A grade players from our draftees. To be honest I dont see any. I see Vlastuin as having a B grade ceiling, McIntosh a C+/B grade ceiling, McDonough a C grade ceiling, McBean a C+ grade ceiling. Collingwood got Grundy and Kennedy who will be A grade players in their system and Broomhead a B grade ceiling player.
With all due respect, with the same logic you would have given Michael Voss a B grade ceiling too using the same criteria!
With all due respect this is a forum and if I wanna post crap then I will post crap and if it works out for me I will come back and claim to have picked it 100% if my rankings dont work out I will just come back and say its just an internet forum and it doesnt matter. Thats how we roll on OER... no responsibility is taken for stupidity ;D
:lol
Actually Ramps, even more than "no responsibility is taken for stupidity", I would have thought many seek it as a real and valued badge of honour! ;D
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Were there any potential A grade players from our draftees. To be honest I dont see any. I see Vlastuin as having a B grade ceiling, McIntosh a C+/B grade ceiling, McDonough a C grade ceiling, McBean a C+ grade ceiling. Collingwood got Grundy and Kennedy who will be A grade players in their system and Broomhead a B grade ceiling player.
With all due respect, with the same logic you would have given Michael Voss a B grade ceiling too using the same criteria!
With all due respect this is a forum and if I wanna post crap then I will post crap and if it works out for me I will come back and claim to have picked it 100% if my rankings dont work out I will just come back and say its just an internet forum and it doesnt matter. Thats how we roll on OER... no responsibility is taken for stupidity ;D
:clapping lmao
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Were there any potential A grade players from our draftees. To be honest I dont see any. I see Vlastuin as having a B grade ceiling, McIntosh a C+/B grade ceiling, McDonough a C grade ceiling, McBean a C+ grade ceiling. Collingwood got Grundy and Kennedy who will be A grade players in their system and Broomhead a B grade ceiling player.
With all due respect, with the same logic you would have given Michael Voss a B grade ceiling too using the same criteria!
With all due respect this is a forum and if I wanna post crap then I will post crap and if it works out for me I will come back and claim to have picked it 100% if my rankings dont work out I will just come back and say its just an internet forum and it doesnt matter. Thats how we roll on OER... no responsibility is taken for stupidity ;D
Post of the year Ramps! :lol
Ou new forum motto should be, "Crapm ego stipes ergo sum" or translated "I post crap, therefore I am". ;D
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Was just catching up on the RFC Qld Supporters Facebook site and they had a few members attend the Draft. A couple of the guys had a chat with Richard Taylor afterwards and he had this to say:
After the draft last night, we had the opportunity to speak to Mr Richard Taylor from Richmond recruiting. Here are a few points we found out.
Out of all draft hopefuls,Tigers only had 25 marked down as potential players. And by selection 31 there were only 2 left on that list.
Very happy with selections taken. They were never going to take Brodie Grundy as pick 9. but also knew that he would be gone by pick 31.
They have compared Liam McBean to Dean Cox. (can play both sides of the body opponents unsure of which foot he will use)
Only selection likely to play seniors in 2013 is Nick Vlastuin. Others are all for the future. Nick likely will be prepared for Round One
http://www.facebook.com/groups/70376760446/ (http://www.facebook.com/groups/70376760446/)
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Not sure that's accurate smokey. From what I've read on another forum there were 4 players left at pick 31 and we got 3 of them. Unsure who the 4th one was but believe they were still on the board and went later in the draft.
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Was just catching up on the RFC Qld Supporters Facebook site and they had a few members attend the Draft. A couple of the guys had a chat with Richard Taylor afterwards and he had this to say:
After the draft last night, we had the opportunity to speak to Mr Richard Taylor from Richmond recruiting. Here are a few points we found out.
Out of all draft hopefuls,Tigers only had 25 marked down as potential players. And by selection 31 there were only 2 left on that list.
Very happy with selections taken. They were never going to take Brodie Grundy as pick 9. but also knew that he would be gone by pick 31.
They have compared Liam McBean to Dean Cox. (can play both sides of the body opponents unsure of which foot he will use)
Only selection likely to play seniors in 2013 is Nick Vlastuin. Others are all for the future. Nick likely will be prepared for Round One
http://www.facebook.com/groups/70376760446/ (http://www.facebook.com/groups/70376760446/)
So can we assume that Matthew McDonough was one of those 2 left? Or to put it another way, out of the 25 identified, whatever way you cut it, we got four of them with our four draft picks?
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Out of all draft hopefuls,Tigers only had 25 marked down as potential players. And by selection 31 there were only 2 left on that list.
At least we're targetting the right players these days, even if we don't get them.
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Not sure that's accurate smokey. From what I've read on another forum there were 4 players left at pick 31 and we got 3 of them. Unsure who the 4th one was but believe they were still on the board and went later in the draft.
Yeah, who knows the truth T2011. At least these guys were getting their info from as close to the 'horse's mouth' as possible I suppose. But you often can't trust what you are told and probably the main thing I took from it was like Mr Magic said - at least we appear to be getting quite specific in our drafting/targeting. I put this down to the improvement in our football department resourcing over the past few seasons and that can only be a good thing as long as we have the right people in place to do the job.
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once again rather than just swallow what ive been told by those in charge or in this case read in a post above i have to question what they say.
what a bloodtygreat concern if they can only identify 25 possible players that doesnt ring true or right. no wonder we cant find decent players with 2nd and 3rd round picks.if this is the case i have to quesrtion the way they are going about it.
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Was just catching up on the RFC Qld Supporters Facebook site and they had a few members attend the Draft. A couple of the guys had a chat with Richard Taylor afterwards and he had this to say:
After the draft last night, we had the opportunity to speak to Mr Richard Taylor from Richmond recruiting. Here are a few points we found out.
Out of all draft hopefuls,Tigers only had 25 marked down as potential players. And by selection 31 there were only 2 left on that list.
Very happy with selections taken. They were never going to take Brodie Grundy as pick 9. but also knew that he would be gone by pick 31.
They have compared Liam McBean to Dean Cox. (can play both sides of the body opponents unsure of which foot he will use)
Only selection likely to play seniors in 2013 is Nick Vlastuin. Others are all for the future. Nick likely will be prepared for Round One
http://www.facebook.com/groups/70376760446/ (http://www.facebook.com/groups/70376760446/)
Hmmmm
I really wonder if people actually listen to what they are told sometimes or whether just listen to what they want to hear.
;D
25 players? Doubt it ;D
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didnt jackson say before the draft he felt the talent dropped right off after the top 30 or so?
once again rather than just swallow what ive been told by those in charge or in this case read in a post above i have to question what they say.
what a bloodtygreat concern if they can only identify 25 possible players that doesnt ring true or right. no wonder we cant find decent players with 2nd and 3rd round picks.if this is the case i have to quesrtion the way they are going about it.
So perhaps you could name 2 players after our last 2 picks who you have utmost faith in making it?
Will these be the "genuine" mids we overlooked?
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didnt jackson say before the draft he felt the talent dropped right off after the top 30 or so?
once again rather than just swallow what ive been told by those in charge or in this case read in a post above i have to question what they say.
what a bloodtygreat concern if they can only identify 25 possible players that doesnt ring true or right. no wonder we cant find decent players with 2nd and 3rd round picks.if this is the case i have to quesrtion the way they are going about it.
So perhaps you could name 2 players after our last 2 picks who you have utmost faith in making it?
Will these be the "genuine" mids we overlooked?
You really are the Stewart Littlemore of OE'ed ;D
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Not sure that's accurate smokey. From what I've read on another forum there were 4 players left at pick 31 and we got 3 of them. Unsure who the 4th one was but believe they were still on the board and went later in the draft.
Yeah, who knows the truth T2011. At least these guys were getting their info from as close to the 'horse's mouth' as possible I suppose. But you often can't trust what you are told and probably the main thing I took from it was like Mr Magic said - at least we appear to be getting quite specific in our drafting/targeting. I put this down to the improvement in our football department resourcing over the past few seasons and that can only be a good thing as long as we have the right people in place to do the job.
What I meant was I think they wrote it wrong on the fb page. I've seen on other forums from 2 people who were present at that talk and both quotes say there were 4 left by pick 31 of which we got 3. However, they aren't sure who the other player was.
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Lol
How can you say mc/donut/bean have such and such ceiling?
Were there any potential A grade players from our draftees. To be honest I dont see any. I see Vlastuin as having a B grade ceiling, McIntosh a C+/B grade ceiling, McDonough a C grade ceiling, McBean a C+ grade ceiling. Collingwood got Grundy and Kennedy who will be A grade players in their system and Broomhead a B grade ceiling player.
With all due respect, with the same logic you would have given Michael Voss a B grade ceiling too using the same criteria!
With all due respect this is a forum and if I wanna post crap then I will post crap and if it works out for me I will come back and claim to have picked it 100% if my rankings dont work out I will just come back and say its just an internet forum and it doesnt matter. Thats how we roll on OER... no responsibility is taken for stupidity ;D
now thats some funny poo
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As the thread title says - How did we all rate our draft effort tonight?
DOB Hgt Wgt Position Club
9. Nick Vlastuin 19/04/1994 186cm 85kg Defender Northern Knights
31. Kamdyn McIntosh 03/04/1994 192cm 85kg Defender Peel Thunder
33. Liam McBean 25/08/1994 203cm 86kg Ruckman Calder Cannons
42. Matthew McDonough 26/01/1994 179cm 83kg Forward Woodville West Torrens
87. Pass
100. Pass
Rhmond
Trades In Troy Chaplin (Port Adelaide), Chris Knights (Adelaide), Aaron Edwards (North Melbourne)
Draft Picks Nick Vlastuin (9), Kamdyn Mcintosh (31), Liam McBean (33), Matthew McDonough (42), Pass (87), Pass (100)
Pre-season & Rookie Draft Sam Lonergan (Essendon), Orren Stephenson (Geelong), Cadeyn Williams (Murray Bushrangers) (they forgot Pettard)
Losses Brad Miller (retired), Kelvin Moore (retired), Andrew Browne, Jeromey Webberley, Addam Maric (all delisted), Angus Graham (Adelaide)
Signed On Again Nathan Foley, Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, David Astbury
2013 Coach Damien Hardwickic
http://www.bigpondsport.com/AFL/2013Trades/tabid/414/Default.aspx#Tigers
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As the thread title says - How did we all rate our draft effort tonight?
DOB Hgt Wgt Position Club
9. Nick Vlastuin 19/04/1994 186cm 85kg Defender Northern Knights
31. Kamdyn McIntosh 03/04/1994 192cm 85kg Defender Peel Thunder
33. Liam McBean 25/08/1994 203cm 86kg Ruckman Calder Cannons
42. Matthew McDonough 26/01/1994 179cm 83kg Forward Woodville West Torrens
87. Pass
100. Pass
Rhmond
Trades In Troy Chaplin (Port Adelaide), Chris Knights (Adelaide), Aaron Edwards (North Melbourne)
Draft Picks Nick Vlastuin (9), Kamdyn Mcintosh (31), Liam McBean (33), Matthew McDonough (42), Pass (87), Pass (100)
Pre-season & Rookie Draft Sam Lonergan (Essendon), Orren Stephenson (Geelong), Cadeyn Williams (Murray Bushrangers) (they forgot Pettard)
Losses Brad Miller (retired), Kelvin Moore (retired), Andrew Browne, Jeromey Webberley, Addam Maric (all delisted), Angus Graham (Adelaide)
Signed On Again Nathan Foley, Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, David Astbury
2013 Coach Damien Hardwickic
http://www.bigpondsport.com/AFL/2013Trades/tabid/414/Default.aspx#Tigers
Dimma is Polish now?
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Fat Pole
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Richmond
Trades In Troy Chaplin (Port Adelaide), Chris Knights (Adelaide), Aaron Edwards (North Melbourne)
Draft Picks Nick Vlastuin (9), Kamdyn Mcintosh (31), Liam McBean (33), Matthew McDonough (42), Pass (87), Pass (100)
Pre-season & Rookie Draft Sam Lonergan (Essendon), Orren Stephenson (Geelong), Cadeyn Williams (Murray Bushrangers) (they forgot Pettard)
Losses Brad Miller (retired), Kelvin Moore (retired), Andrew Browne, Jeromey Webberley, Addam Maric (all delisted), Angus Graham (Adelaide)
Signed On Again Nathan Foley, Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, David Astbury
2013 Coach Damien Hardwick[/i]
http://www.bigpondsport.com/AFL/2013Trades/tabid/414/Default.aspx#Tigers
Updating the list in the opening post:
DOB Hgt Wgt Position Club
Free Agency
Chaplin, Troy 23/02/1986 195cm 100kg Defender Port Adelaide
Chris Knights 25/09/1986 184cm 87kg Forward Adelaide
Trades
Aaron Edwards 02/03/1984 184cm 92kg Forward North Melbourne
National Draft
9. Nick Vlastuin 19/04/1994 186cm 85kg Defender Northern Knights
31. Kamdyn McIntosh 03/04/1994 192cm 85kg Defender Peel Thunder
33. Liam McBean 25/08/1994 203cm 86kg Ruckman Calder Cannons
42. Matthew McDonough 26/01/1994 179cm 83kg Forward Woodville West Torrens
Rookie Draft
7. Ricky Petterd 24/7/1988 185cm 85kg Forward Melbourne, Broadbeach (QLD)
22. Sam Lonergan 26/3/1987 182cm 81kg Midfielder Essendon, Lauderdale (TAS), Tasmanian Devils, Tassie Mariners
36. Orren Stephenson 15/7/1982 200cm 104kg Ruckman Geelong, North Ballarat (VFL)
44. Cadeyn Williams 4/8/1994 185cm 86kg Mid/Forward Murray Bushrangers
International rookies
Gideon Simon Oct 1994 172cm 71kg - Papua New Guinea
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33 Kamdyn
McIntosh
Height 192 cm DOB 03-04-1994 Weight 87 kg Debut -
:cheers :cheers