One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 23, 2012, 01:29:57 PM
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FJ on SEN this morning said we'll be taking 4 rookies with a few AFL players on our radar (thanks wayne).
We obviously have Toy, Stephenson, Wood and A.Maric training with us already so at least one or more will come from them you'd presume.
Other possible recycled AFL players: Salopek (by request)
Then there's the kids that missed out on the draft. Inside Football had the following going in the first 3 rounds but they all were overlooked:
Dayle Garlett - Francis has already said no.
Jason Pongracic
Matthew Haynes
Sam Colquhoun
Shane Nelson
Andrew Boston
Jordan Bourke
Darcy Fort
Jarrod Lienert
Sam Lowrie
Nick Rodda
Marvin Warrell
Patrick Wilson
Will we go after any of them?
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Did FJ say no to Garlett this morning?
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Did FJ say no to Garlett this morning?
Yeah on sen
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Toy, Wood/Stephenson, and 2 of Pongracic/Colquhuon/Haynes :pray
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Can toy be rookie drafted?!
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Add Salopek to the above list ;)
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what happened to Petterd?
4 rookies?
Don't we have 3 rookies already???
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What's the deal with Colquhoun being over looked? thought he was a early to mid draft selection in most phantoms. Bit like Frost last year and was lucky enough to get a promo this year.
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what happened to Petterd?
4 rookies?
Don't we have 3 rookies already???
Yes but one is an international rookie and isn't included as rookie and doesn't impact on our total isn't number
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lets get Garlett, bring back connors and Dmac :shh Dusty will have plenty of mates to chill with :shh
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lets get Garlett, bring back connors and Dmac :shh Dusty will have plenty of mates to chill with :shh
He's got mates outside the club
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What's the deal with Colquhoun being over looked? thought he was a early to mid draft selection in most phantoms. Bit like Frost last year and was lucky enough to get a promo this year.
He is a great kick of the footy but is considered a bit "outside and soft" in terms of getting the footy, I would nevertheless like to see us rookie him at Richmond and give him a chance.
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Toy, Wood/Stephenson, and 2 of Pongracic/Colquhuon/Haynes :pray
Would rather Stephenson over Wood but its like choosing between a douche or a turd sammich.
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Toy, Wood/Stephenson, and 2 of Pongracic/Colquhuon/Haynes :pray
Would rather Stephenson over Wood but its like choosing between a douche or a turd sammich.
Would rather Wood over Stephenson on youth alone but otherwise agree with the analogy.
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So in total we have 4 picks for Rookies and none on the main list ??.I only want one reycled player a ruckman that's all.The rest kids and if Toy performs maybe him.We should get Shane Nelson went back and worked hard in the wafl after being unlucky to get drafted last year and had a great year ready to step up rd 1 to rather him then Salopek.
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jack hannath - 21 22 yo imo a better ruck prospect than mcbean. has been playing against some pretty stiff oposition in the sanfl. reckon he could fill in if need be in the short termhas long term prospects. we need a ruckman
kyle martin - mature 22 yo mid with excellent skills. has shown he can really play next level down would be a better option than most kids left and a better otion than some we have in our system.
we need more mids has to be worth giving a game to.
sam lowrie - really big bodied mid who is both inside and out finds the ball has a big engine and he takes a good grab as well. he broke his leg last yr and then his collarbone in a senior game for sth freo this yr, because of this i reckon hes gone under the radar. i had him between 30 and 40 in the draft. we need more mids.
alex howson - tall forwad kicked the most goals in the colts this yr with 58 has played back as well. we need a tall forward.
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What's the deal with Colquhoun being over looked? thought he was a early to mid draft selection in most phantoms. Bit like Frost last year and was lucky enough to get a promo this year.
He is a great kick of the footy but is considered a bit "outside and soft" in terms of getting the footy, I would nevertheless like to see us rookie him at Richmond and give him a chance.
x2 :thumbsup
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So in total we have 4 picks for Rookies and none on the main list ??.I only want one reycled player a ruckman that's all.The rest kids and if Toy performs maybe him.We should get Shane Nelson went back and worked hard in the wafl after being unlucky to get drafted last year and had a great year ready to step up rd 1 to rather him then Salopek.
from what ahrdwick said a while back, most rookie picks will be used on mature age blokes.
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if we are looking to get some genuine pace into the list mathew haynes would be the go. big concerns about how outside he is and defensive side of the game.
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if we are looking to get some genuine pace into the list mathew haynes would be the go. big concerns about how outside he is and defensive side of the game.
Your concerns are spot on. He'd be considered soft in non-contact sports.
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This is a vital period for our list. IMO we should be looking to find long term upgrade for the following
King. Jackson. White. Darrou. Verrier. A.Edwards. Derickx. McGaune.
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Still feel we need more X factor and an upgrade on King and Nahas. IMHO this guy would be electric:
Anthony Tipungwuti
He is a human highlight reel!
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=vXTTECFeBjM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvXTTECFeBjM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=ZduWcLMZntA
A dual sided quick goal kicking forward that reads the play beautifully!
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with grimes with a confirmed tendon tear i have 5 who i prefer rather than 4. 4 of the following 5 or similar types would do me.
1/kyle hartigan kpd. 22yo
2/ kyle martin mid deserves a chance 22yo.
3/ jack hannath ruckman who could possibly play now is imo the second best ruckman in the nd rookie draft.
4/ one of alex howson a key forward we do need to balance outt this area. or sam lowrie a big bodied 18 yo old inside out mid we still need plenty of genuine mids.
i just wish we had 3 or 4 more picks most of which i would use on mature players.
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Hartigan gets towelled up pretty often. Do not want.
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No to Wood
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Less than 30 rookies set to be taken in the December draft
Sam Landsberger
From: Herald Sun
November 29, 2012
Players hoping for a second chance will be fighting with youngsters overlooked in last week's draft, with less than 30 picks likely to be used in the December 11 rookie draft.
The AFL slashed rookie lists from six to four ahead of 2013 after a two-year spike as new franchises Gold Coast and GWS were introduced.
One player manager said it was unpredictable how clubs would attack the December 11 draft and said the squeeze would result in a number of AFL-standard players being stranded in 2013.
"We think there’ll be about 28 picks,’’ Justin Reid of Elite Sports Properties said.
"List management has got really tight because everyone loaded up on rookies because of the new franchises and there’s been a real squeeze effect.’’
Sam Colquhoun, Dayle Garlett, Darcy Fort, Jason Pongracic, Will Hams and Adam Saad lead the teenage crop of players hoping to graduate to AFL level next month, while St Kilda is close to snaring former Docker defender Dylan Roberton.
Several clubs will not have a single pick in the rookie draft after retaining their 2012 quota of rookies.
Geelong brought in just two new players at the national draft and will have no rookie selections.
Of the Cats six rookies this season, they were forced to cut Jon Simpkin (who signed at Hawthorn), promoted Jesse Stringer to the senior list and retained the rest.
Essendon is also set to baulk at holding a live pick in the rookie draft after committing to redrafting Ariel Steinberg.
Brisbane today delisted Bartlett but says it will re-draft him in December.
Clubs can list a maximum of 40 senior players and four rookies next year, but many will adopt a 39-5 or 38-6 breakdown for salary cap purposes.
The rookie draft has been so successful in having players listed go onto play many games at all AFL clubs.
"I tend to think a lot of the clubs will be doing that because it’s hard to carry 40 (senior players)," Reid said.
"It’s not a bad thing because it’s while it’s harder to get into the system it creates equality through the competition and hopefully a better competition."
Calder Cannons talent manager Ian Kyte said in a normal rookie draft he would expect another two of his players to graduate but they were now "borderline" selections.
"The rookie draft has been so successful in having players listed go onto play many games at all AFL clubs," he said.
"We’re going to suffer most in the first year. This is when the kids are going to find it harder to get onto an AFL list and I’m not sure how public it is to a lot of people.
"There will certainly be kids from last year that were hoping to go to VFL and then get rookied and it doesn’t help them, either.
"It’s tough to get into this industry and this just means it might take a little bit longer and a bit more hard work."
Kyte said while it was frustrating this season it should make the AFL a fairer competition given some clubs could struggle to continually prop up six rookies.
Collingwood could use up to three selections after clearing out most their rookies in September and are eyeing Ben Hudson and Port Melbourne midfielder Sam Dwyer.
The rookie and pre-season draft order is yet to be finalised and subject to the final list lodgement and salary cap standings.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/less-than-30-rookies-are-set-to-be-taken-in-the-december-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1226526670647
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No to Wood
Look if given a choice il go the big o but have you seen enough games of Wood?
Its a concern Pies dumped in without a recognized back up until grundy
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No to Wood
Look if given a choice il go the big o but have you seen enough games of Wood?
Its a concern Pies dumped in without a recognized back up until grundy
Actually daniel they had a backs up on their list, you could argue they had/have 2
Jarrod Witts
208cm
113kgs
Lachie Keffe
204cm
100kgs
think the Pies knew exactly what they were doing
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No to Wood
Look if given a choice il go the big o but have you seen enough games of Wood?
Its a concern Pies dumped in without a recognized back up until grundy
Actually daniel they had a backs up on their list, you could argue they had/have 2
Jarrod Witts
208cm
113kgs
Lachie Keffe
204cm
100kgs
think the Pies knew exactly what they were doing
Is Keffe any good as a ruckman? Geez Collingwood actually look to have some good ruck stocks.
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Yeah and our ruck back ups are still NIL.....
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No to Wood
Look if given a choice il go the big o but have you seen enough games of Wood?
Its a concern Pies dumped in without a recognized back up until grundy
Actually daniel they had a backs up on their list, you could argue they had/have 2
Jarrod Witts
208cm
113kgs
Lachie Keffe
204cm
100kgs
think the Pies knew exactly what they were doing
the way collingwood have gone about finding a ruckman to help and replace jolly.
ceglar traded pick 25 , gault nd 65 , jolly nd 14,46, mcnamarra rookie, witts nsw scholarship nd 67,, wood nd 14 , and keefe rookie on their list this yr i make that 7 with jolly.
now they have taken grundy nd 20. that is some concerted effort to find a replacement for jolly. it shows just how hard it is to find a good ruckman.
they have taken lots of ruckmen because imo of where most of them have been taken, that is late nd rookie draft where the fail rate is high so they are taking a lot in the hope of finding one or two good ones. they have now backed that up by useing a very good pick on grundy.
one would argue numbers wise they hardly had a need to take grundy but they did. doing their utmost to ensure they find a few decent ruckmen. you can bet your bottom dollar in a yr or 3 they will be trading away one or two for what will probably be very good draft picks.
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A rough guide on what picks we'll have in the upcoming rookie draft on December 11. We'll have roughly so picks 7, 21, 32 & 37.
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The inside /outside veteran distinction has now been abolished. All clubs (ex GWS and GC) can have 38-40 players on their senior list, and a maximum of 47 in total, including up to 3 category B rookies [eg: internationals] and a maximum of 6 category A rookies (with the number reduced if they choose to have 39 or 40 on the senior list).
PSD
1. GWS (Pass)
2. Essendon (or pick 8 in the rookie)
3. Adelaide (Joyce)
4. Sydney (Tippett)
Rookie Draft
1. GWS
2. Gold Coast
3. Melbourne
4. Bulldogs
5. Port Adelaide
6. Brisbane
7. Richmond
8. Essendon (or that pick 2 in the PSD)
9. Carlton
10. North Melbourne
11. Fremantle
12. West Coast
13. Collingwood
14. Adelaide
15. Hawthorn
16. Sydney
17. GWS
18. Gold Coast
19. Bulldogs
20. Port Adelaide
21. Richmond
22. Essendon (Steinberg)
23. North Melbourne (Cam Richardson)
24. Fremantle
25. West Coast
26. Collingwood
27. Sydney
28. GWS (Pass)
29. Gold Coast (Pass)
30. Melbourne
31. Port Adelaide
32. Richmond
33. Collingwood
34. Sydney
35. GWS (Pass)
36. Gold Coast (Pass)
37. Richmond
38. Collingwood
39. Sydney
40. GWS (Pass)
41. Gold Coast (Pass)
42. Collingwood
43. Sydney
44. GWS (Pass)
45. Collingwood
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-many-picks-do-each-club-have-in-the-rookie.981622/
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Not selecting to use a PSD pick would suggest that there is no real standout, as far as the club is concerned, within the draft leftovers.
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No to Wood
Look if given a choice il go the big o but have you seen enough games of Wood?
Its a concern Pies dumped in without a recognized back up until grundy
Actually daniel they had a backs up on their list, you could argue they had/have 2
Jarrod Witts
208cm
113kgs
Lachie Keffe
204cm
100kgs
think the Pies knew exactly what they were doing
the way collingwood have gone about finding a ruckman to help and replace jolly.
ceglar traded pick 25 , gault nd 65 , jolly nd 14,46, mcnamarra rookie, witts nsw scholarship nd 67,, wood nd 14 , and keefe rookie on their list this yr i make that 7 with jolly.
now they have taken grundy nd 20. that is some concerted effort to find a replacement for jolly. it shows just how hard it is to find a good ruckman.
they have taken lots of ruckmen because imo of where most of them have been taken, that is late nd rookie draft where the fail rate is high so they are taking a lot in the hope of finding one or two good ones. they have now backed that up by useing a very good pick on grundy.
one would argue numbers wise they hardly had a need to take grundy but they did. doing their utmost to ensure they find a few decent ruckmen. you can bet your bottom dollar in a yr or 3 they will be trading away one or two for what will probably be very good draft picks.
But we can't take Mcbean with a late pick? P.s they just delisted 3 of their ruckman.
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So with picks 7, 21 and 32 who will we be selcting?
Is the club hoping to secure toy and stephenson/wood. :o will they be available at those picks?
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Wow, this would the first time we haven't participated in the PSD for a long while.
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No to Wood
Look if given a choice il go the big o but have you seen enough games of Wood?
Its a concern Pies dumped in without a recognized back up until grundy
Actually daniel they had a backs up on their list, you could argue they had/have 2
Jarrod Witts
208cm
113kgs
Lachie Keffe
204cm
100kgs
think the Pies knew exactly what they were doing
the way collingwood have gone about finding a ruckman to help and replace jolly.
ceglar traded pick 25 , gault nd 65 , jolly nd 14,46, mcnamarra rookie, witts nsw scholarship nd 67,, wood nd 14 , and keefe rookie on their list this yr i make that 7 with jolly.
now they have taken grundy nd 20. that is some concerted effort to find a replacement for jolly. it shows just how hard it is to find a good ruckman.
they have taken lots of ruckmen because imo of where most of them have been taken, that is late nd rookie draft where the fail rate is high so they are taking a lot in the hope of finding one or two good ones. they have now backed that up by useing a very good pick on grundy.
one would argue numbers wise they hardly had a need to take grundy but they did. doing their utmost to ensure they find a few decent ruckmen. you can bet your bottom dollar in a yr or 3 they will be trading away one or two for what will probably be very good draft picks.
But we can't take Mcbean with a late pick? P.s they just delisted 3 of their ruckman.
wasnt alluding to mcbean. and yes they just cut 3 ruckmen the point was the numbers they have been prepared to go thru. they still have 5 with grundy.
in recent yrs they have probably gone thu more ruckman than we have had in the last 30 yrs.
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Richmond: Josh Toy might be looked at. May also look at other recycled options. Tim McGenniss has also been linked to Richmond as a rookie.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2012-mock-draft.956129/#post-24508103
Port will pick up Colquhoun in the PSD.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-commits-to-selecting-sam-colquhoun-in-pre-season-draft/story-fnb7al7m-1226529911014
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Hope someone takes him before Port just to pee them off.
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I will spew if Adam Maric is rookied again what the hell is he training with us.
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3 of them wont be at Punt rd. :thumbsup
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A couple of PSD & rookie phantom drafts to get an idea of who is still available...
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/snoop-dog-phantom-psd-and-rookie-draft.982514/
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/young-talent-time-psd-and-rookie-edition.982228/
If we were to use the PSD then we would have picks 5 and 13. We would then have only 2 rookie picks available - 7 & 24.
Alternatively if we use 4 rookie picks as suggested by FJ a few weeks back then in the rookie draft we'll have picks 7, 24, 33 and 39.
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Former Bomber ruckman Jason Laycock has nominated for the PSD. Talk of him going to the GWS.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ex-bomber-jason-laycock-in-the-draft-and-on-gws-giants-list/story-fnelctok-1226530022668
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DOnt believe we will be partaking in the PSD
Rookie Draft for us ;D
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psd jack hannath
7/ sam lowrie
24 kyle martin
33 sam dwyer or one of the talls in rodda, howson sully.
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3 of them wont be at Punt rd. :thumbsup
That's teasing us roger ;D. I'd take a guess and say one of the ruckmen will be at Punt Rd because we need a back-up?
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3 of them wont be at Punt rd. :thumbsup
What/who 3 of the 4 that are training with us won't be Punt Road?
I reckon 3 will be ;D
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If you look towards the long term future by selecting the younger players on the clubs list its an interesting starting point in regards to best position our self's for success. I think by and large the side looks tidy. Touch would the spine has promise. I would like to see the midfielder numbers bolstered. Toy and garlett would be two potential a graders :whistle
McIntosh. Grimes. Bachelor.
Vlastuin. Astbury. Deaa.
Conca. Arnot. Ellis.
Helbig. Griffiths. McDonut.
MrBean. Elton. OHanlon.
Vickery. Cotchin. Martin
G.Simon
Verrier
Darrou
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Is there any realistic chance we would draft Dayle Gartlett next week??
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Is there any realistic chance we would draft Dayle Gartlett next week??
I would think I have more chance of winning Lotto. Going by what Hardwick, Gale, Cameron and Jackson have all stated publicly in the past, he doesn't tick very many boxes of what we now stand for as a club and team, and especially given we are probably a bit gun shy after Taylor and Roberts I can't see any chance at all that we would take him. And personally I'm very glad about that!
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Would think Toy and Wood will be rookied . . . and Maric. :banghead
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Was there whisper this morning that we will rookie Petterd?
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Denham reckons Stephenson and I think he also said Pettard as well :huh.
Edit: beat me to it Magic :cheers.
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Petterd is a gun, hats off to all involved. Is there another astute pick up by the improved RFC :shh
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3 of them wont be at Punt rd. :thumbsup
What/who 3 of the 4 that are training with us won't be Punt Road?
I reckon 3 will be ;D
just a little snippet i heard, i believe Wood definately wont be.
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3 of them wont be at Punt rd. :thumbsup
What/who 3 of the 4 that are training with us won't be Punt Road?
I reckon 3 will be ;D
just a little snippet i heard, i believe Wood definately wont be.
:clapping :bow :dancing
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You keen on the big O, ol'Smoke? He is coming
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3 of them wont be at Punt rd. :thumbsup
What/who 3 of the 4 that are training with us won't be Punt Road?
I reckon 3 will be ;D
just a little snippet i heard, i believe Wood definately wont be.
Termites got Wood.
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You see Stephenson will, where wood wouldn't. Or my name isn't Edward Woodward. (Anyone remember this old ad?)
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You keen on the big O, ol'Smoke? He is coming
Lesser of 2 evils is probably most apt Coach.
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As 1st ruck at Coburg Stephenson will be a good pick-up....but I can't see a scenario, unless an injury occurs, where he would force his way into the RFC side.
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id rather laycock than this big draught horse :o
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Sheedy is unreal. Can't believe he wants Laycock back. He will break down during pre-season
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Denham reckons Stephenson and I think he also said Pettard as well :huh.
Edit: beat me to it Magic :cheers.
I stopped taking Denhams word after he convinced anyone who wanted to listen that wayne campbell was Odds on to take the RFC coaching job, he talks out of his clacker ALL of the time :whistle
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Perhaps Wayne was at the time? No doubt he will be our next coach if Dimma fails.
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3 of them wont be at Punt rd. :thumbsup
What/who 3 of the 4 that are training with us won't be Punt Road?
I reckon 3 will be ;D
just a little snippet i heard, i believe Wood definately wont be.
So no mini Maric, no Wood .......... and no Toy then if Stephenson is to be picked up?
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Perhaps Wayne was at the time? No doubt he will be our next coach if Dimma fails.
I would have thought Mark Choco Williams would get the job. We wouldn't get a untried coach to follow another (Dimma). It's the way footy clubs think. I am not endorsing that view just saying what I feel the club will do if we are ever in that position. Hopefully we are never in that position.
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I like the way you think YB :shh
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Richmond is set to sit out the pre-season draft and instead choose to enter next year with 38 players on its senior list and six rookies.
... while the Tigers could consider giving forward Addam Maric another shot on the rookie list.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-06/clubs-shy-away-from-psd
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how many rookie selections does that mean?...I make it 4 ..or is it 3 + Gideon simon
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how many rookie selections does that mean?...I make it 4 ..or is it 3 + Gideon simon
4 selections bj. Simon is a category B (international) rookie so we have 4 category A (regular) rookie spots free.
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Perhaps Wayne was at the time? No doubt he will be our next coach if Dimma fails.
I would have thought Mark Choco Williams would get the job. We wouldn't get a untried coach to follow another (Dimma). It's the way footy clubs think. I am not endorsing that view just saying what I feel the club will do if we are ever in that position. Hopefully we are never in that position.
No chance. Campbell will be coach of Richmond one day, it's just a matter of when.
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How are Petterd's achilles? He was going to train with us but ended up not doing it due to injury apparently. No point picking up someone who can no longer get on the park.
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Perhaps Wayne was at the time? No doubt he will be our next coach if Dimma fails.
I would have thought Mark Choco Williams would get the job. We wouldn't get a untried coach to follow another (Dimma). It's the way footy clubs think. I am not endorsing that view just saying what I feel the club will do if we are ever in that position. Hopefully we are never in that position.
No chance. Campbell will be coach of Richmond one day, it's just a matter of when.
While I do not disagree that he may be coach one day, I am not sure if he will be the next coach.
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How are Petterd's achilles? He was going to train with us but ended up not doing it due to injury apparently. No point picking up someone who can no longer get on the park.
Some were saying this was a smokescreen. I personally I rate Petterd. Was poorly coached in the past and given little or no direction. Under Hardwick he could be a real gem for us.
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How are Petterd's achilles? He was going to train with us but ended up not doing it due to injury apparently. No point picking up someone who can no longer get on the park.
Some were saying this was a smokescreen. I personally I rate Petterd. Was poorly coached in the past and given little or no direction. Under Hardwick he could be a real gem for us.
Worse options out there, I think he has some promise.
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How are Petterd's achilles? He was going to train with us but ended up not doing it due to injury apparently. No point picking up someone who can no longer get on the park.
agree wholeheartedly, would hate it to be a wasted pick.
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Richmond appears to be warming towards former Geelong player Orren Stephenson as back-up for ruckman Ivan Maric.
The Tigers are likely to select him in the rookie draft.
It means delisted Collingwood ruckman Cameron Wood will be overlooked.
Stephenson, Wood, former Melbourne forward Ricky Petterd and ex-Gold Coast Sun Josh Toy have been training with the Tigers.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/western-bulldogs-consider-afl-fairytale-for-vfl-journeyman-brett-goodes/story-e6frf9jf-1226531613431
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Perhaps Wayne was at the time? No doubt he will be our next coach if Dimma fails.
I would have thought Mark Choco Williams would get the job. We wouldn't get a untried coach to follow another (Dimma). It's the way footy clubs think. I am not endorsing that view just saying what I feel the club will do if we are ever in that position. Hopefully we are never in that position.
No chance. Campbell will be coach of Richmond one day, it's just a matter of when.
While I do not disagree that he may be coach one day, I am not sure if he will be the next coach.
He will be. It's the way she goes ;D
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Richmond appears to be warming towards former Geelong player Orren Stephenson as back-up for ruckman Ivan Maric.
The Tigers are likely to select him in the rookie draft.
It means delisted Collingwood ruckman Cameron Wood will be overlooked.
Stephenson, Wood, former Melbourne forward Ricky Petterd and ex-Gold Coast Sun Josh Toy have been training with the Tigers.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/western-bulldogs-consider-afl-fairytale-for-vfl-journeyman-brett-goodes/story-e6frf9jf-1226531613431
When's the draft
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When's the draft
Tuesday (Dec 11).
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When's the draft
Tuesday (Dec 11).
will we get Toy?
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I will spew if we pick up Maric not up to it and no heart at all waste of a pick.Would rather Central District ruckman Jack Hannath only 22 and had a great season in the SANFL.Orren Stephenson did hold is own tho for the 8 games he played for the cats and at times showed more then West and kept Simpson out from the side to I thought he was a bit harsh to get the chop.He would be my second choice.On Stephenson what a his weakness and strengths and weaknesses ?. Is Anthony Tipungwuti a chance to come to us so much Xfactor and would rather him then Maric.
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When's the draft
Tuesday (Dec 11).
What time?
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When's the draft
Tuesday (Dec 11).
What time?
11am is the PSD. I think the rookie draft is around 11:30am.
will we get Toy?
No idea but according to rogerd3's info it sounds like no.
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rogerds info is
not always
reliable
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When's the draft
Tuesday (Dec 11).
What time?
11am is the PSD. I think the rookie draft is around 11:30am.
will we get Toy?
No idea but according to rogerd3's info it sounds like no.
Thanks
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yeh i wouldnt rely on my info also. :lol
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RICHMOND:
Weirdly enough, the tigers have a preseason pick, however are opting to by-pass that. They will reselect Adam Maric.
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason
:P
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RICHMOND:
Weirdly enough, the tigers have a preseason pick, however are opting to by-pass that. They will reselect Adam Maric.
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason
:P
???
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RICHMOND:
Weirdly enough, the tigers have a preseason pick, however are opting to by-pass that. They will reselect Adam Maric.
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason
:P
I originally supported taking A Maric as a rookie last year but after seeing his feeble attempts(bar one) at contested footy I don't want us to go near him this time around.
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My mail is there might be some surprises :shh
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Did Addam have a heart transplant over summer?
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Pre-season and rookie drafts: Who will your team target?
afl.com.au
12:04pm AEDT Sunday, December 9, 2012
RICHMOND
Arrivals: Troy Chaplin, Chris Knights, Aaron Edwards, Nick Vlastuin, Kamdyn McIntosh, Liam McBean, Matthew McDonough.
PSD pick: 5
Summary: Ex-Magpie ruckman Cameron Wood and former Geelong big man Orren Stephenson have been training with them Tigers, as well as ex-Gold Coast midfielder Josh Toy and their own former rookie Addam Maric. Richmond got its wish by drafting Vlastuin, who will add to its half back line and in time midfield, and covered a few areas with other draft additions including Edwards as a third marking forward. Papua New Guinean forward Gideon Simon will be signed as an international rookie and they'll likely look to either of the big men in the wake of the departures of Angus Graham and Andrew Browne. With one of their rookie picks the Tigers might also consider Jason Pongracic, a medium-sized forward with a bit of go in him.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-09/psd
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With one of their rookie picks the Tigers might also consider Jason Pongracic, a medium-sized forward with a bit of go in him.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-09/psd
A Serb for Ivan ? :shh
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I selected Pongracic at pick 31 in our phantom draft. I'd be happy for us to get him in the rookie draft.
31. Jason Pongracic ..... ( Dandenong Stingrays, Hgt: 183cm, Wgt: 85kg, DOB: 21/04/1994 )
(http://static.lifeislocal.com.au/multimedia/images/full/1372028.jpg)
Strong-bodied inside midfielder/half-forward who kicked 16 goals from 11 games this year. Was initially hampered earlier in the season with a hip injury but was able to string a few games together in the second half of this year to play some consistent footy albeit moreso as a forward. Pongracic reads the play well, uses his strong body well to split packs and win the contested footy and he is a ferocious tackler which will very much please his eventual AFL coach. He is also a good overhead mark for his height. For an inside mid he also uses the ball well by hand and foot. The question marks on him are (i) being an earlier developer has he got away with being stronger than his junior peers and (ii) he's not overtly quick due to his body shape so will that be an issue at AFL level. Some compare him to a Brent Moloney or Jason Porplyzia.
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=150385#embedvideoplayer
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RICHMOND:
Weirdly enough, the tigers have a preseason pick, however are opting to by-pass that. They will reselect Adam Maric.
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason
:P
I originally supported taking A Maric as a rookie last year but after seeing his feeble attempts(bar one) at contested footy I don't want us to go near him this time around.
I could not believe Maric could be selected, he has no defensive skills, no disposal skills and had little or no effect at AFL or VFL level,
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Pongy :cheers
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RICHMOND:
Weirdly enough, the tigers have a preseason pick, however are opting to by-pass that. They will reselect Adam Maric.
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason
:P
I originally supported taking A Maric as a rookie last year but after seeing his feeble attempts(bar one) at contested footy I don't want us to go near him this time around.
I could not believe Maric could be selected, he has no defensive skills, no disposal skills and had little or no effect at AFL or VFL level,
Actually if there's one positive in Maric it's his disposal.
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Centimetre perfect, he has plenty of improvement left in him. I fully support him back on the rookie list
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last time im going to say it till tuesday.
put newman on the vets list.
psd jack hannath - 21 yr old mature ruckman with good upside has to be a better option than the hacks we have had train with us. fits a real list need. had a good yr against decent mature ruckmen in the sanfl and more than held his own. this guy is tracking in the right direction and has plenty to work with.
rookie sam lowrie - 18 yr old mid who is a fantastic size and is very good inside out, has been injured a bit the last two yrs with breaks. leg in 2011 and collarbone 2012. we have to add to our genuine mids.
rookie kyle martin - 22 yr old mature mid who ticks nearly every box for taking a mature player we need ready to go mids. i cannot for the life of me understand why these types are overlooked.
rookie alex howson - 18 yr old kpf well worth a punt. the leading goal kicker in the colts in wa. and can play back. the list is crying out for another promising tall forward.
i could name another half dozen mature players id like to see us give a go to from state leagues. theres also 5 or 6 kids id like to try from wa.
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last time im going to say it till tuesday.
put newman on the vets list.
Cool story, but may as well save your breath. Vets are included in the 38-40 listed players now, broseph.
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last time im going to say it till tuesday.
put newman on the vets list.
Cool story, but may as well save your breath. Vets are included in the 38-40 listed players now, broseph.
Yep the vet rule has changed.
The inside /outside veteran distinction has now been abolished. All clubs (ex GWS and GC) can have 38-40 players on their senior list, and a maximum of 47 in total, including up to 3 category B rookies [eg: internationals] and a maximum of 6 category A rookies (with the number reduced if they choose to have 39 or 40 on the senior list).
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Richmond seems set to offer former Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson another chance as a rookie-listed player.
If so, former Collingwood big man Cameron Wood, who has also been training with the Tigers, could go overlooked.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dogs-prismalls-last-chance-20121209-2b3n9.html#ixzz2EZnkTMYT
The BigFooty Richmond board has a rumour claiming we're going to pick up former Bomber Sam Lonergan as a rookie.
Also suggesting Shane Nelson, Petterd and ex-Swan Jared Moore could be in the mix.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-official-pre-season-draft-and-rookie-draft-thread.981587/page-18#post-26626839
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last time im going to say it till tuesday.
put newman on the vets list.
Cool story, but may as well save your breath. Vets are included in the 38-40 listed players now, broseph.
so how do we use a psd pick. the only option i could see was the newman option if that is closed it would mean we have to cut another player that wont happen.
so any talk of a psd pick is well just silly then.
gotta say im pretty peeed with this situation and again it shows just how poorly we run our list and over rate players we have.
lol at orren stephenson if people were peeed off at how poor angus was they are gunna be worse with this bloke. he was torn apart in games this yr may as well have kept graham.
if wood and stephenson are the best they can come up with they should not be in the job. i suppose they are now thru terrible list management forced to do something or anything.
what i dont get is why keep derickx on the list if wood and stephenson are to be the backup why keep tom at all. geez we have been poor when it comes to ruckmen.
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geez we have been poor when it comes to ruckmen.
Maric is pretty handy.
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geez we have been poor when it comes to ruckmen.
Maric is pretty handy.
and his recruitment was a forced issue as well.
you think we have good ruck depth or we have a good development record and plan in place for ruckmen geez.
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geez we have been poor when it comes to ruckmen.
Maric is pretty handy.
and his recruitment was a forced issue as well.
you think we have good ruck depth or we have a good development record and plan in place for ruckmen geez.
Mcbean will be a star ruck
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geez we have been poor when it comes to ruckmen.
Maric is pretty handy.
and his recruitment was a forced issue as well.
you think we have good ruck depth or we have a good development record and plan in place for ruckmen geez.
Depends a lot on Vickery's progress. He fails to come on the next season or so and we're not in such crash hot shape.
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so how do we use a psd pick. the only option i could see was the newman option if that is closed it would mean we have to cut another player that wont happen.
so any talk of a psd pick is well just silly then.
gotta say im pretty peeed with this situation and again it shows just how poorly we run our list and over rate players we have.
you should get with the program before slagging off claw. we can use a psd if we want, or we can use all remaining picks on rookies. its been posted numerous times on numerous forums.
surely the idea that taking a long shot as a rookie for one year is actually better list management than tying them up for 2 via the PSD
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Collo :shh
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Collo :shh
:nope :chuck
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not what i hear
FJ thinks :yep and reverse vomit
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Collins is just a player. However some of the other names we are considering are too.. :help
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Here's a good detailed explanation of the new rookie rules ....
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IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING ROOKIES – PLEASE READ.
There is quite a bit of confusion as to the rules surrounding the rookie draft, so please read on so that you fully understand, as some clubs will passing on their preseason selections;
- Each club must have 44 positions on its list filled for 2013, this does not include “Category B” rookies (who are separate) – in which a club can have a ma
ximum of three. Category B rookies are international players, “converts” eg: those from other sports backgrounds, or those coming from a scholarship program.
- For teams who have a selection, or multiple selections in the preseason draft, teams are NOT obliged to used them, as in seasons past. A team can “pass” on a preseason selection, which in turn would give that team an extra selection in the rookie draft.
- Despite the AFL cutting the rookie list from six positions, to four – the new rule still allows for manipulation, meaning that a club can still select 6 rookies, but can only have 38 senior players to choose from, with a maximum of two rookies who can be nominated to move between being a rookie and senior player throughout 2013. They can do this without having to be elevated due to a long term injury or a player on veteran list, or being upgraded mid-year.
EG:
38 senior players, 6 rookies
39 senior players, 5 rookies
40 senior players, 4 rookies
- The reason clubs will “pass” on preseason selections is to do with TPP – (Total Player Payments), this is to ensure that the club fits under the designated Salary Cap. For example, a base rate contract of a new senior player drafted from the National or Preseason draft, may be $65,000 per season. As a player recruited to the Rookie list, their base wage may only be $30,000 therefore, saving the club money, enabling it to fit under a salary cap for not just 2013 – but for the length of all player contracts combined.
- For Clubs who only use 38 senior players on their list for 2013, they have the benefit of naming two “nominated” rookies. Those rookies are eligible to play Round One. If a team has 39 players on its senior list, it can then nominate one “nominated” rookie, who is also eligible to play round one in 2013.
To use Collingwood as an example (apologies Collingwood haters, but they are the best example)
Collingwood tomorrow will pass on both of its preseason selections. That said, Collingwood have 6 positions to fill tomorrow, which will be via the rookie draft. Collingwood already have three “Category B” rookies on their list, taking them to a total of 9 rookies. After passing on their preseason selections, as it’s been estimated that two new players onto the senior list will not fit into Collingwood’s salary cap – Collingwood will fill their list by using the rookie list. The pies will go into 2013 with 38 senior players to choose from, and 6 rookies, 2 of which can be “nominated” to play all year round in 2013 – one of those players is Ben Hudson, in which Collingwood have already nominated. Nominated rookies do not have to be lodged to the AFL until March, giving all 18 clubs time to nominate any players eligible. Remembering, that only teams with 38 or 39 senior players, will be able to nominate one or two rookies.
UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRESEASON DRAFT SELECTION AND A ROOKIE DRAFT SELECTION:
- Any player recruited via a preseason selection pick is eligible to play senior football throughout 2013. This player is recruiter to the clubs senior list, and is played a “senior wage”.
- Any player recruited via a rookie selection pick, is not eligible to play senior football throughout 2013, unless they have been “nominated” (where applicable) or they are elevated either through a long term injury, room made via an eligible veteran or via the mid-year upgrade system, where each club is given the opportunity to upgrade a rookie to the senior list.
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason
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Ruck stocks:
1. I Maric
2. Vickery
3. Derickx
4. Elton
5. McBean
6. Griffiths
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7. McGaune
The ruck position isn't as poor as you allude to. Another is required.
We currently have an A grade ruckman and many youth prospects in reserve. A stronger position than we have been in for some time.
geez we have been poor when it comes to ruckmen.
Maric is pretty handy.
and his recruitment was a forced issue as well.
you think we have good ruck depth or we have a good development record and plan in place for ruckmen geez.
Not really.
We could have left Ivan in Adelaide and continue with Gus.
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In updated news, Petterd has injured himself again apparently so we won't be drafting him....
Utlimate SuperFooty AFL 2012 pre-season and rookie draft preview
Al Paton
From: Herald Sun
December 10, 2012 11:36AM
Richmond
Axed ruckmen Cameron Wood (Collingwood) and Orren Stephenson (Geelong) are training at Punt Rd and the Tigers are set to punt on Stephenson as a back-up to Ivan Maric. Delisted rookie Addam Maric is hoping to win back his spot on the rookie list while the Tigers could throw a rookie lifeline to Josh Toy, who quit the Gold Coast and has been overlooked by several clubs due to a rare heart condition. Injury concerns have ruled former Melbourne forward Ricky Petterd out of Richmond's calculations.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/draft-tracker/utlimate-superfooty-afl-2012-pre-season-and-rookie-draft-preview/story-fngeflq8-1226533569038
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thank Geez.
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Has anyone seen Toy train?
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Jet ;)
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Has anyone seen Toy train?
got one for Christmas one year when i was a kid.
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Has anyone seen Toy train?
got one for Christmas one year when i was a kid.
:lol :lol :rollin
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Has anyone seen Toy train?
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRoInzr9FW9M5ju-F6sdP8FfQkkVVvGAWalsVRGd7EABNi-Zpid4ixi7b4Iqg)
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Has anyone seen Toy train?
got one for Christmas one year when i was a kid.
Bait well taken :clapping
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so how do we use a psd pick. the only option i could see was the newman option if that is closed it would mean we have to cut another player that wont happen.
so any talk of a psd pick is well just silly then.
gotta say im pretty peeed with this situation and again it shows just how poorly we run our list and over rate players we have.
you should get with the program before slagging off claw. we can use a psd if we want, or we can use all remaining picks on rookies. its been posted numerous times on numerous forums.
surely the idea that taking a long shot as a rookie for one year is actually better list management than tying them up for 2 via the PSD
that still doesnt explain how we can use a psd pick.
we have 38 on the list proper if we are not allowed to use the vets list how do we do it. the only way i can see is if we cut a contracted player. id like someone to explain how it now works i say that with a big please.
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Has anyone seen Toy train?
I think he s been wrapped in cotton wool to put off other suitors with a sheer brilliant smokescreen that he suffers from a congenital heart condition, masterstroke :shh
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just saw one eyeds post on previous page so effectively it is possible to have 42 players on your proper depending on tpp.
in that case i would definately have been pushing for 40 on the list proper.
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Ruck stocks:
1. I Maric - the only established ruckman on the entire list and hes effectively had one good season. yes hes a first ruck.
2. Vickery - has done absolutely nothing to suggest hes a ruckman. the way the club plays him they dont think hes one either. unless he massively bulks up and toughens up he will be a kpp only
3. Derickx - bloody hell a 25 26 yyr old whos shown nothing we dont even play him in the ruck in the magoos. probably has the right size and physicality to become a 1st ruck
4. Elton - is first and formost a kpf the dearth of kpfs on the list says if hes a ruckman we are in the poo.
5. McBean - lol there is every possibility that this kid will never ever be a ruckman have you looked at him. many dont consider him a ruck but a very tall kpp.
6. Griffiths - oh deary me so most supporters want him to be either a chb or chf. me i think him a ff hes no ruckman thats for sure.
so theres one first ruck maybe 2 if derickx ever takes a step up lol i can no longer see it. the rest look to be kpps.
nope i disagree the ruck stocks are shizen hence they are after 31 yr old hacks to help out.
so lets see short term ivan does a knee and the best fit is who to take over.
in the long term there is not one what i would call a genuine ruckman on the list. why do we insist on taking players who may be okay at all things but are not expert at any.
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7. McGaune
The ruck position isn't as poor as you allude to. Another is required.
We currently have an A grade ruckman and many youth prospects in reserve. A stronger position than we have been in for some time.
geez we have been poor when it comes to ruckmen.
Maric is pretty handy.
and his recruitment was a forced issue as well.
you think we have good ruck depth or we have a good development record and plan in place for ruckmen geez.
Not really.
We could have left Ivan in Adelaide and continue with Gus.
yes we could have left ivan and we would have nothing, that would mean the ruck stocks are even worse than they are. sort of the point i was making. bloody hell angus graham showed more as a ruckman than the rest you have mentioned. yet we cut him.
why do we insist on calling kpps ruckmen. are they ever going to be able to do ivan marics role? simple answer to that is no.
lets see the way the club seems to be calling it.
tall forwards
riewoldt, elton kpp first who could perhaps pinch hit and do a leigh brown, mcguane lol have to put him here because he sure cant play back, and imo vickery who could possibly make a reasonable 2nd ruck but he looks very much a kpp atm.
tall defenders
griffiths ah the egg shell and you want him to play ruck, astbury, darrou, chaplin, grimes, rance,
ruckmen
maric thank god the only 1st ruck on the list, derickx well they dont play him as a ruckman but lets put him here anyway, mcbean who IMO is a kpd. we sure dont need any more of them with astbury and griffiths playing back.
can anyone tell me which one is likely to take over and perform ivans role and why.
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so how do we use a psd pick. the only option i could see was the newman option if that is closed it would mean we have to cut another player that wont happen.
so any talk of a psd pick is well just silly then.
gotta say im pretty peeed with this situation and again it shows just how poorly we run our list and over rate players we have.
you should get with the program before slagging off claw. we can use a psd if we want, or we can use all remaining picks on rookies. its been posted numerous times on numerous forums.
surely the idea that taking a long shot as a rookie for one year is actually better list management than tying them up for 2 via the PSD
that still doesnt explain how we can use a psd pick.
we have 38 on the list proper if we are not allowed to use the vets list how do we do it. the only way i can see is if we cut a contracted player. id like someone to explain how it now works i say that with a big please.
In the previous post you said you read OE's post, but just in case you didn't understand (42??), you can have the following combination of senior and category A rookies (as in non international and all that, just a regular rookie),
38 and 6
39 and 5
40 and 4
Veterans are now included in the senior list numbers and the benefits are more for salary cap purposes. The requirement for a vet now is only 10 years service at the club. Instead of being restricted to only two vets and half their salary being outside the cap, now you can have as many as your senior space list allows and the first $100k of their salary is not counted to TPP. It helps clubs like Geelong to manage their list.
I'm fine with us taking one of these potatoes (Wood or hOrrendous) as a rookie because they're only a last resort back up and no strings attached. They'll give the same output as a state league player anyway. I'm not completely sold on giving state level players a shot because they are doing well at that level either. There are many more factors to take in other than just how they go at the level. Different state leagues are different styles for starters, and only a handful of clubs have AFL environments. Take Adam Cockie for example. Was serviceable as a rookie at WCE and WAFL level, but excelled last season in the VFL for Sandringham because the more congested and inside style of the VFL, most similar to AFL, suited him (rather than the faster outside nature of the WAFL) and Sandringham is a Mecca for ex-AFL listed players. It's the same club that Magner came from, and for the reasons mentioned Sikora would be the only bloke I'd be looking at from any state league but currently he's being assessed by St Kilda.
We're not ready to push for a flag yet and blind freddy can see we have a short term ruck issue, but unless we can find someone to take the next 5-7 years after Maric then it's just an equal waste of a PSD or ND pick. Reckon the club has a plan to consolidate its losses this year in the ruck department but will shop the poo out of opposition lists over the next season or two to find someone. At least in the mean time we get an elite next generation midfield and the ruckman will be the final piece of the puzzle.
Just IMO.
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so how do we use a psd pick. the only option i could see was the newman option if that is closed it would mean we have to cut another player that wont happen.
so any talk of a psd pick is well just silly then.
gotta say im pretty peeed with this situation and again it shows just how poorly we run our list and over rate players we have.
you should get with the program before slagging off claw. we can use a psd if we want, or we can use all remaining picks on rookies. its been posted numerous times on numerous forums.
surely the idea that taking a long shot as a rookie for one year is actually better list management than tying them up for 2 via the PSD
that still doesnt explain how we can use a psd pick.
we have 38 on the list proper if we are not allowed to use the vets list how do we do it. the only way i can see is if we cut a contracted player. id like someone to explain how it now works i say that with a big please.
In the previous post you said you read OE's post, but just in case you didn't understand (42??), you can have the following combination of senior and category A rookies (as in non international and all that, just a regular rookie),
38 and 6
39 and 5
40 and 4
Veterans are now included in the senior list numbers and the benefits are more for salary cap purposes. The requirement for a vet now is only 10 years service at the club. Instead of being restricted to only two vets and half their salary being outside the cap, now you can have as many as your senior space list allows and the first $100k of their salary is not counted to TPP. It helps clubs like Geelong to manage their list.
I'm fine with us taking one of these potatoes (Wood or hOrrendous) as a rookie because they're only a last resort back up and no strings attached. They'll give the same output as a state league player anyway. I'm not completely sold on giving state level players a shot because they are doing well at that level either. There are many more factors to take in other than just how they go at the level. Different state leagues are different styles for starters, and only a handful of clubs have AFL environments. Take Adam Cockie for example. Was serviceable as a rookie at WCE and WAFL level, but excelled last season in the VFL for Sandringham because the more congested and inside style of the VFL, most similar to AFL, suited him (rather than the faster outside nature of the WAFL) and Sandringham is a Mecca for ex-AFL listed players. It's the same club that Magner came from, and for the reasons mentioned Sikora would be the only bloke I'd be looking at from any state league but currently he's being assessed by St Kilda.
We're not ready to push for a flag yet and blind freddy can see we have a short term ruck issue, but unless we can find someone to take the next 5-7 years after Maric then it's just an equal waste of a PSD or ND pick. Reckon the club has a plan to consolidate its losses this year in the ruck department but will shop the poo out of opposition lists over the next season or two to find someone. At least in the mean time we get an elite next generation midfield and the ruckman will be the final piece of the puzzle.
Just IMO.
thanks for the heads up. just a typo with 42 had it stuck in my head for some reason.
okay. adam cockie was an inside machine at subiaco tough inside ball winner who could not kick to save himself. he was very good at wafl level hence he got on wce list. his ability to get the ball has never been in question.
i have real issues with taking proven duds. wood and stephenson are that. as you say we have great need for a back up or last resort as you put it. they are last resort due to shoddy list management and poor player assesment. we have had this debate for god knows how many yrs and it continues.
im the opposite ive seen enough of wood and stephenson to know a kid like jack hannath will likely offer more and at worst just as much and he has an upside.
your not taking him as a last resort you are taking him to fill in if need be, and that filthy word at richmond DEVELOP. WE SHOULD HAVE 4 OR 6 genuine types on our list.jack hannath and types like him may not make it but they give us an opportunity to find a decent long term ruckman you just cant say that about the other two.
i have to say im very sold on giving state league players a go for reasons ive spoken about all this yr and well before.
yes i agree doing well at the next level down is just a part of assesing these types. athletic ability to play at afl level, sound skill set etc etc comes into it also.
eg: whats the point in in taking say a 185cm 90kg vfl player who thru his size and strength totally dominates. he compensates for a chronic lack of pace and smarts with these attributes but when he gets to afl opponents are just as quick just as strong.
as i said its not just about performance to me performing well at state league is a decent indicator that a player may be able to go to the next level. they still have to show enough footballing ability and athleticism just like nd picks do. they have to be a better chance than those who dont dominate.
finally i agree again a blind man can see we have a short term ruck problem. imo we also have a long term ruck problem as well. im all for growing our own again for reasons ive spelt out on this site ad nauseumhow we go about getting long term ruckmen we aree at odds about id say.
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dont ya just love seeing people sink the boots in and all along it was themselves who was the clueless one?
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dont ya just love seeing people sink the boots in and all along it was themselves who was the clueless one?
we still have only 38 on the list proper as far as i can see that isnt changing. now that is clueless.
ya know whats clueless fools who just follow the club line and defend everything they say and do.
ya know whats clueless? a club coming out and saying they desperately need to build on the midfield and then doing nothing or little about it.
ya know whats clueless a club regularly ignoring serious list deficiencies and at the end of every trade and draft period papering over what they have done.
you know whats clueless taking hacks that are proven hacks that have no upside what soever becase they have failed for yrs on end to adequately address list needs.
you stick your head up your and you think your smelling roses but hey who am i to tell you its poo your really smelling. after all im just clueless. but go ahead pretend it smells alright after al you clearly think rfc poo doesnt stink.
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nah clueless is saying that you are peed off about something and thinking that the other must be in the wrong, when you yourself are actually ignorant to the facts as how things are working.
but its water off a ducks back for some. rather than admit their criticism was wrong, due to being based on ignorance, they just just go looking for the next thing to slag off about.
Its a funny little quirk in our makeup, always thinking the other must be stupid just because we don't understand something, but some people do it so much better than others. must be all the practice.
anyway, carry on.
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dont ya just love seeing people sink the boots in and all along it was themselves who was the clueless one?
ya know whats clueless fools who just follow the club line and defend everything they say and do.
Love you al but this describes you :lol You're not a fool but you love defending everything Richmond ;D
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no, i only defend against ill informed or unwarranted criticism. in this case the criticism came about because the bloke making it was uninformed and didn't know what he was on about.
some people are so used to the club failing they are in the habit of saying everything the club does is wrong, then thinking they are something special when they are proven right.
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by the way, still waiting to hear who these magical "pure" midfielders that we overlooked are.
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no, i only defend against ill informed or unwarranted criticism. in this case the criticism came about because the bloke making it was uninformed and didn't know what he was on about.
some people are so used to the club failing they are in the habit of saying everything the club does is wrong, then thinking they are something special when they are proven right.
No, you pretty much refuse to look at anything Richmond in a bad way.
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dont ya just love seeing people sink the boots in and all along it was themselves who was the clueless one?
we still have only 38 on the list proper as far as i can see that isnt changing. now that is clueless.
ya know whats clueless fools who just follow the club line and defend everything they say and do.
ya know whats clueless? a club coming out and saying they desperately need to build on the midfield and then doing nothing or little about it.
ya know whats clueless a club regularly ignoring serious list deficiencies and at the end of every trade and draft period papering over what they have done.
you know whats clueless taking hacks that are proven hacks that have no upside what soever becase they have failed for yrs on end to adequately address list needs.
you stick your head up your and you think your smelling roses but hey who am i to tell you its poo your really smelling. after all im just clueless. but go ahead pretend it smells alright after al you clearly think rfc poo doesnt stink.
If your talking about "lockup" Edwards I agree totally. :thumbsup
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Clubs must contract players for two years in the pre-season draft, but can take them on one-year deals as rookies.
Richmond will rookie-list former Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/port-adelaide-decides-not-to-draft-liam-jurrah/story-e6frf9jf-1226533945286
The Club is keeping its cards close to its chest. I asked Inside Football's Brett Anderson if he's heard any whispers on who we will pick up apart from Stephenson and he said he had nothing concrete.
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Clubs must contract players for two years in the pre-season draft, but can take them on one-year deals as rookies.
Richmond will rookie-list former Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/port-adelaide-decides-not-to-draft-liam-jurrah/story-e6frf9jf-1226533945286
The Club is keeping its cards close to its chest. I asked Inside Football's Brett Anderson if he's heard any whispers on who we will pick up apart from Stephenson and he said he had nothing concrete.
Reckon we will take at least 3 re-cycles ;D
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Clubs must contract players for two years in the pre-season draft, but can take them on one-year deals as rookies.
Richmond will rookie-list former Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/port-adelaide-decides-not-to-draft-liam-jurrah/story-e6frf9jf-1226533945286
The Club is keeping its cards close to its chest. I asked Inside Football's Brett Anderson if he's heard any whispers on who we will pick up apart from Stephenson and he said he had nothing concrete.
Reckon we will take at least 3 re-cycles ;D
Great news for our carbon footprint WP :thumbsup
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no, i only defend against ill informed or unwarranted criticism. in this case the criticism came about because the bloke making it was uninformed and didn't know what he was on about.
some people are so used to the club failing they are in the habit of saying everything the club does is wrong, then thinking they are something special when they are proven right.
No, you pretty much refuse to look at anything Richmond in a bad way.
You've clearly never watched a game of footy with him Coach! ;D
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What time is this occurring today?
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no, i only defend against ill informed or unwarranted criticism. in this case the criticism came about because the bloke making it was uninformed and didn't know what he was on about.
some people are so used to the club failing they are in the habit of saying everything the club does is wrong, then thinking they are something special when they are proven right.
No, you pretty much refuse to look at anything Richmond in a bad way.
because i dont constantly join in the slagging off?
thats different to defending every ctritism.
if id discovered these forums a year or two earlier i would have made some of you constant whiney bunnies look like bojangles
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no, i only defend against ill informed or unwarranted criticism. in this case the criticism came about because the bloke making it was uninformed and didn't know what he was on about.
some people are so used to the club failing they are in the habit of saying everything the club does is wrong, then thinking they are something special when they are proven right.
No, you pretty much refuse to look at anything Richmond in a bad way.
You've clearly never watched a game of footy with him Coach! ;D
:lol
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no, i only defend against ill informed or unwarranted criticism. in this case the criticism came about because the bloke making it was uninformed and didn't know what he was on about.
some people are so used to the club failing they are in the habit of saying everything the club does is wrong, then thinking they are something special when they are proven right.
No, you pretty much refuse to look at anything Richmond in a bad way.
You've clearly never watched a game of footy with him Coach! ;D
Coach doesn't watch football, he feels football.
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no, i only defend against ill informed or unwarranted criticism. in this case the criticism came about because the bloke making it was uninformed and didn't know what he was on about.
some people are so used to the club failing they are in the habit of saying everything the club does is wrong, then thinking they are something special when they are proven right.
No, you pretty much refuse to look at anything Richmond in a bad way.
You've clearly never watched a game of footy with him Coach! ;D
Coach doesn't watch football, he feels football.
No he IS football! :bow
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What time is this occurring today?
11am.
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What time is this occurring today?
11am.
TY
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Do you have a link to the draft tracker OE?
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I think this is the link
http://psrdrafttracker.afl.com.au/
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I think this is the link
http://psrdrafttracker.afl.com.au/
Ta
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Academy selections being read out first.
Brisbane Lions taking Jordon Bourke.
Gold Coast taking Andrew Boston.
Sydney Swans taking Brandon Jack.
GWS taking Jack Williams.
They'll be round nine selections.
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Rookie draft:
1. GWS - pass.
2. Gold Coast - Leigh Osborne (Frankston)
3. Melbourne - Nathan Stark (Glenelg)
4. WB - Bret Goodes (Williamstown)
5. Port - Kane Mitchell (Claremont)
6. Brisbane Lions - Nick Hayes
7. Richmond - Ricky Petterd (Melb)
8. Essendon - Ariel Steinberg (Ess)
9. Carlton - Jaryd Cachia
10. NM - Tim Mcgenniss
11. Freo - Matthew Taberner
12. WCE - Callum Sinclair
13. Coll - Kyle Martin
14. Kyle Hartigan (Werribee)
15. Hawthorn - Jonathon Ceglar (Coll)
16. Sydney Swans - Jake Lloyd (North Ballarat Rebels)
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17. GWS - pass.
18. Gold Coast - pass.
19. Melbourne - Mitchell Clisby (North Adelaide)
20. Port - Justin Hoskin (Port Adelaide SANFL)
21. BL - Callum Bartlett (BL)
22. Richmond - Sam Lonergan (Ess)
23. Ess - pass.
24. Carlton - Andrew Collins (Carl)
25. North - Ben Speight (North)
26. Freo - Alex Howson (East Freo)
27. WCE - Jamie Bennell (Melb)
28. Collingwood - Sam Dwyer (Port Melbourne)
29. Adel - pass
30. Haw - Ciaran Kilkenny (international rookie)
31. Sydney Swans- Xavier Richards (Sandringham)
32, 33, 34, 35 all pass.
36. Richmond - Orren Stephenson (Geelong)
37. North Melbourne - Cameron Richardson (North Melbourne)
38. Freo - pass.
39. Collingwood - Adam Oxley (Redland)
40. Adelaide - Jack Osborn
41. Sydney Swans - Dane Rampe (Uni NSW)
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do we have any more picks left
GO U TIGERS
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Not sure about the thought process behind these selections and passing in the PSD.... :-\
Oh well time will tell.....again.
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Not sure about the thought process behind these selections and passing in the PSD.... :-\
Oh well time will tell.....again.
No probs with passing on the PSD
With the PSD you had to give 2 year deals - not worth that risk IMO
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Not sure about the thought process behind these selections and passing in the PSD.... :-\
Oh well time will tell.....again.
1 year no obligation rookie selection vs minimum 2 year on senior list.
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Not sure about the thought process behind these selections and passing in the PSD.... :-\
Oh well time will tell.....again.
No probs with passing on the PSD
With the PSD you had to give 2 year deals - not worth that risk IMO
But we can promote a rookie into that position can't we??
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2 years Hannath >>>>>>>>>> 1 year big O
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44. Richmond - Cadeyn Williams (Murray Bushrangers)
46. Collingwood - Jack Frost (Williamstown)
47. Adelaide - Tim Klaosen
48. Sydney Swans - pass
49 & 50. pass
51. Fremantle - Craig Moller (Sydney Uni)
52. Collingwood - Ben Hudson (Brisbane Lions)
53, 54, 55. pass
56. Collingwood - Peter Yagmoor (Collingwood)
57. Sydney Swans - Daniel Robinson (Sydney Scholarship)
58, 59. pass
60. Collingwood - Ben Richmond
61. GWS - Zachary Williams (academy selection, Narrandera)
62. Gold Coast - Andrew Boston (Broadbeach)
63. Brisbane Lions - Jordon Bourke (academy selection, Morningside)
64. Sydney Swans - Brandon Jack (Pennant Hills/zone selection)
65. Sydney Swans - Sam Naismith (North Shore)
And that's all folks!
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Not sure about the thought process behind these selections and passing in the PSD.... :-\
Oh well time will tell.....again.
No probs with passing on the PSD
With the PSD you had to give 2 year deals - not worth that risk IMO
But we can promote a rookie into that position can't we??
Absolutely
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Looks like we have an ok mix of a bit of depth and development, the pet yards stephensons lone grabs will all be. Entre stage punt rd 2014 f spell check aye !
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Not sure about the thought process behind these selections and passing in the PSD.... :-\
Oh well time will tell.....again.
No probs with passing on the PSD
With the PSD you had to give 2 year deals - not worth that risk IMO
Additionally, with 'free agency' in full swing we want more year to year flexibility (contract wise).
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Opposition boards on BF(Veruca's and Tankers) have gone into meltdown over our selections
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so how do we use a psd pick. the only option i could see was the newman option if that is closed it would mean we have to cut another player that wont happen.
so any talk of a psd pick is well just silly then.
gotta say im pretty peeed with this situation and again it shows just how poorly we run our list and over rate players we have.
lol at orren stephenson if people were peeed off at how poor angus was they are gunna be worse with this bloke. he was torn apart in games this yr may as well have kept graham.
if wood and stephenson are the best they can come up with they should not be in the job. i suppose they are now thru terrible list management forced to do something or anything.
what i dont get is why keep derickx on the list if wood and stephenson are to be the backup why keep tom at all. geez we have been poor when it comes to ruckmen.
1. How do you know you're right and clubs wrong, if any of us are gonna take an opinion you'd think we'd trust it from a professional. If you had as good a insight you think you have you'd be recruiting for a team.
2.Graham probably wanted out
3. We keep derickx we cop it from you yet you complain we don't have enough ruckman. Any excuse to bag the club yeah?
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Opposition boards on BF(Veruca's and Tankers) have gone into meltdown over our selections
In what way?
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Opposition boards on BF(Veruca's and Tankers) have gone into meltdown over our selections
In what way?
Go have a geez
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Opposition boards on BF(Veruca's and Tankers) have gone into meltdown over our selections
In what way?
Go have a geez
Got just a brief, do they think we did well or crap??
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Opposition boards on BF(Veruca's and Tankers) have gone into meltdown over our selections
In what way?
Go have a geez
Got just a brief, do they think we did well or crap??
They're laughing at us and our drafting
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Opposition boards on BF(Veruca's and Tankers) have gone into meltdown over our selections
In what way?
Go have a geez
Got just a brief, do they think we did well or crap??
They're laughing at us and our drafting
Thought that may of been the case.
With Edwards, Pettard, big O and old mate from the bumbers is it any wonder..... :-\
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Opposition boards on BF(Veruca's and Tankers) have gone into meltdown over our selections
In what way?
Go have a geez
Got just a brief, do they think we did well or crap??
They're laughing at us and our drafting
Saw on the Melbourne board they said we were trying to be like Sydney. Quite ironic considering their scatter gun approach this off season. Spastics.
We got our blokes for nothing.
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Couple years ago they were laughing at building a fwd line around cook hurrah pettard
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Everyone is jealous of us.
What are Carlton laughing at. They picked up 2 delisted players too. Funny thing is they had been delisted by the Blues themselves. :lol
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Opposition boards on BF(Veruca's and Tankers) have gone into meltdown over our selections
In what way?
WGAF?
They laughed at us getting Ivan.
They can GFT's
Go have a geez
Got just a brief, do they think we did well or crap??
They're laughing at us and our drafting
Saw on the Melbourne board they said we were trying to be like Sydney. Quite ironic considering their scatter gun approach this off season. wackos.
We got our blokes for nothing.
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Everyone is jealous of us.
What are Carlton laughing at. They picked up 2 delisted players too. Funny thing is they had been delisted by the Blues themselves. :lol
And they're still pinching themselves :shh
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Everyone is jealous of us.
What are Carlton laughing at. They picked up 2 delisted players too. Funny thing is they had been delisted by the Blues themselves. :lol
And they're still pinching themselves :shh
They have a wankfest thread over Cachia already. :lol
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Overall I reckon we did what we needed to do in the rookee draft and that is get depth.Last couple of years we have been drafting all kids and got caught out when injurys camed up playing players still not afl ready.Orren is insurance for Maric we seen what happen when Browne and Graham offered when he was out injuried and still ???? on Big Tom D.Gives us time to groom a young ruckman to.Lonegan gives us that tuff in and under midfielder like a Tuck who is 31 dont forget and Foleys injurys a worry to.The guy played 14 games in 2012.Petterd I'm not sure about hope it turns out better then Maric.We have struggled in his position he plays.Has Xfactor and seriously can play, but needs to be injury free and to be consistent.
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no, i only defend against ill informed or unwarranted criticism. in this case the criticism came about because the bloke making it was uninformed and didn't know what he was on about.
some people are so used to the club failing they are in the habit of saying everything the club does is wrong, then thinking they are something special when they are proven right.
No, you pretty much refuse to look at anything Richmond in a bad way.
because i dont constantly join in the slagging off?
thats different to defending every ctritism.
if id discovered these forums a year or two earlier i would have made some of you constant whiney bunnies look like bojangles
I'm a whiney bitch? I'm a truth slayer. You're just a constant ball sucking Richmond fan. Even when all the evidence points in Richmond/somefromrichmond being poo, you still defend them. You probably like Jackson in the LG :lol
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Take it easy Coach. You're turning this board into a Disco Inferno! Love the flairs btw. :thumbsup
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I love al. He's my father FFS, but he does swing from the nuts of RFC
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I love al. He's my father FFS, but he does swing from the nuts of RFC
Better than swinging from the nuts of PAFC, i suppose
:outtahere
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old dog schooling the pup :shh
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I love al. He's my father FFS, but he does swing from the nuts of RFC
Better than swinging from the nuts of PAFC, i suppose
:outtahere
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old dog schooling the pup :shh
;D
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Like most drafts of late , very upset at first.
But starting to come around the more it sinks in.
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Tigers implement rookie plan
richmondfc.com.au
4:17 PM Tue 11 Dec, 2012
Richmond’s decision to take three mature-aged players - Ricky Petterd (Melbourne), Sam Lonergan (Essendon) and Orren Stephenson (Geelong) in the 2013 rookie draft was no surprise.
It was something coach Damien Hardwick flagged towards the end of the 2012 season, when the Tigers were struggling to find suitable replacements in their senior side for a string of injured players.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/152338/default.aspx
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Richmond Recruiting Manager Francis Jackson says ...
"The philosophy was that we perhaps needed a bit more depth of players that are ready to play, to actually fulfil a role during the year, and three of those boys have had significant experience in the AFL system.”
“We think they can come in and have an impact and play a role for us. With the length of the season and the increased intensity of each game, fatigue is an issue, so having that added depth on our list enables blokes to come in and play their role.
“We've had 11 new players, six are experienced and five are 18-year-olds so we think we've certainly added to our depth and we've got a really good combination."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/152360/default.aspx
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Craig Cameron on SEN now.
Decision made two years ago to rebuild list, couldn't just do it with kids due to compromised draft. We selected kids in the ND but added depth in other ways.
Lonergan - No midfield at Coburg at times, which meant we had no midfield depth
Orren - Maric had to carry a big load last year with Vickery going down. Graham leaving meant we needed another backup.
Pettered - Always had some talent, x-factor. Foward line too JR reliant.
Williams - Injured most of the year, good size, build. Needs to get his fitness up, good overhead and good kick.
Grimes - Operation to repair tendon, take him through normal rehab. Get him right before we push him. Getting Chaplin was important.
Cairns - Heat training, something we can replicate at Punt Road.
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Cheers Wayne. 8)
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If we didn't have such poor recruiting prior to Dimma these would be the kinds of blokes we would already have. Instead of wholesale changes we can now focus on more specific areas and we bat much further down the order than 2 seasons ago. We're only 1-2 really good game changing players and on average 15-25 games each from being a devastating side.
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CC also mentioned Cadeyn Williams will be given time to develop as an inside midfielder.
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Just hope it doesn't turn out like the Voss plan did
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Here's a pic of 'rookies' Sam Lonergan, Orren Stephenson and Ricky Petterd in full Richmond kit.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/12/20/1226541/380441-orren-stephenson.jpg)
Picture: David Smith Herald Sun
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what a poo photo
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It looks like they have all been Photoshopped on! :lol
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It looks like they have all been Photoshopped on! :lol
The obvious halo around Stephenson would give that impression smokey but if you have a look at Lonergans Knee there is some sort of rear light source. Could be a flash reflection off the metal exercise equipment. It actually looks like the flashlight on an iPhone, but either way, as gerks said, it is a pretty crap photo.
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Is that Derickx looking lost in the background, or Jack trying to grab the attention ::)